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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,755 --> 00:00:25,987 So you guys all know the story of Camp Crystal Lake, right? 2 00:00:26,226 --> 00:00:28,751 I mean, come on, surely you have to know about the legend. 3 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:30,492 All right, well listen. 4 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:34,029 I don't want to scare anyone... 5 00:00:34,267 --> 00:00:37,725 but I'm gonna give it to you straight about Jason. 6 00:00:38,171 --> 00:00:40,298 It all happened at Camp Crystal Lake... 7 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:43,668 Camp Blood. 8 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:48,604 And Jason...was just a little boy at the time. 9 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:52,143 He drowned one night. 10 00:00:52,385 --> 00:00:55,286 His mom, who worked at the camp... 11 00:00:55,522 --> 00:00:57,786 she blamed all the counselors. 12 00:00:58,224 --> 00:01:00,715 Said it was their fault. 13 00:01:01,161 --> 00:01:04,358 She decided to kill each and every one of them. 14 00:01:04,597 --> 00:01:07,623 Well, legend has it that Jason didn't drown. 15 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:10,195 He survived. 16 00:01:10,437 --> 00:01:13,770 And he watched his mother get beheaded that night. 17 00:01:14,207 --> 00:01:16,505 He took his revenge. 18 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:21,442 Every year, on Friday the 1 3th, 19 00:01:21,681 --> 00:01:25,742 Jason would just keep coming back. 20 00:01:26,186 --> 00:01:29,349 Now if you listen to the old timers in town, 21 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:32,752 they say that Jason's still out there, 22 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:37,129 Which means the Voorhees Curse is alive and well. 23 00:01:37,363 --> 00:01:41,424 Friday the 13th is his day. 24 00:01:41,668 --> 00:01:44,136 And Camp Crystal Lake... 25 00:01:44,370 --> 00:02:54,172 is his domain. 26 00:02:54,407 --> 00:02:58,241 We had this tiny little movie that cost $500,000, 27 00:02:58,478 --> 00:03:01,504 which to date has grossed just under a billion dollars. 28 00:03:01,748 --> 00:03:05,343 It's just an amazing phenomenon. 29 00:03:05,585 --> 00:03:08,486 And not only were we shocked and surprised and pleased, 30 00:03:08,721 --> 00:03:12,452 but amazed that we even finished the film. 31 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:15,252 I hear from people all over the world, 32 00:03:15,495 --> 00:03:19,329 and I don't quite understand what the wonderful, 33 00:03:19,566 --> 00:03:23,332 captivating thing is about this particular film. 34 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:25,800 I never dreamed when I was doing the film then 35 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:27,729 the effect it would have on so many people. 36 00:03:27,974 --> 00:03:29,771 There's actually a lot of thought 37 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:32,940 and a lot of real talent that goes into these pictures. 38 00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:36,212 "Friday the 1 3th" was one of the innovators, 39 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:38,474 I would say, of this slasher movie 40 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:40,743 but where the characters all represented people 41 00:03:40,987 --> 00:03:43,956 that each one of us knew. 42 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:46,358 The best horror movies find a way 43 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:48,652 to tap into something that's truly human. 44 00:03:48,895 --> 00:03:52,296 And there is something so compelling about the genre 45 00:03:52,532 --> 00:03:55,626 that people will always come back to it. 46 00:03:55,868 --> 00:03:58,336 I think that the goal is about scaring the audience 47 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:00,232 and fear and vulnerability. 48 00:04:00,473 --> 00:04:02,703 We don't know why but it's something in us 49 00:04:02,942 --> 00:04:04,273 that likes to be scared. 50 00:04:04,510 --> 00:04:05,977 I don't watch the movie, 51 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:08,778 I pick somebody out in the audience, 52 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:11,745 and then watch the evolution of their heart attack. 53 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:13,782 It's not rocket science. It's fun. It's exciting. 54 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:16,284 The fans so adore this character. 55 00:04:16,522 --> 00:04:18,513 They like Jason more than they like the survivors. 56 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,851 They sort of brought a life to it, 57 00:04:21,294 --> 00:04:23,421 that it would have never had without 'em. 58 00:04:23,663 --> 00:04:25,858 That's where the power lies is Jason never dies 59 00:04:26,299 --> 00:04:27,891 because the audience brings him back to life, 60 00:04:28,334 --> 00:04:31,360 the devoted fans of Jason. 61 00:04:31,604 --> 00:04:33,731 It's a great character to watch and see what he'll do next. 62 00:04:33,973 --> 00:04:37,568 I don't think it'll really ever come to a complete end. 63 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:40,802 A lot of us relate to Jason because Jason is the outcast. 64 00:04:41,047 --> 00:04:42,981 Like in school, either you're too tall, you're too short, 65 00:04:43,416 --> 00:04:44,940 you're too heavy, you have buck teeth, 66 00:04:45,385 --> 00:04:48,252 you speak with a lisp, we all tie in somehow, 67 00:04:48,488 --> 00:04:50,388 going, 'Oh, I understand that, I was the different kid.' 68 00:04:50,623 --> 00:04:52,022 It's just a basic part of the human struggle. 69 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:54,255 Jason represents that force that you're going to come up against. 70 00:04:54,494 --> 00:04:56,428 You know, we all want to be that person 71 00:04:56,663 --> 00:04:58,961 that feels like we can, you know, stop evil 72 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:01,367 and save the person that we love. 73 00:05:01,601 --> 00:05:03,535 I think that we need these monsters, these bogeymen, 74 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:06,568 these characters who embody all evil 75 00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:08,933 because we can't deal with the real evil 76 00:05:09,375 --> 00:05:11,502 that we have to in our day to day lives. 77 00:05:11,744 --> 00:05:14,042 If you can take that darkness out and look at it, 78 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,708 then you can conquer it, you can defeat it, 79 00:05:15,948 --> 00:05:17,472 you can actually deal with it. 80 00:05:17,717 --> 00:05:18,775 It's when we try and hide it from the light 81 00:05:19,018 --> 00:05:36,357 that it overcomes us. 82 00:05:36,602 --> 00:05:38,297 In the early 1 970's, 83 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:40,904 Connecticut-based filmmaker Sean S. Cunningham 84 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,638 was struggling to make a name for himself, 85 00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:44,467 scraping by on a diet 86 00:05:44,711 --> 00:05:46,303 of industrial shorts and commercials 87 00:05:46,546 --> 00:05:49,310 and even the occasional soft-core porn. 88 00:05:49,549 --> 00:05:50,948 Back in the early 70's, a big change was happening 89 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:52,851 in the movie business. 90 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:54,815 There had been success with documentary forms 91 00:05:55,054 --> 00:05:57,352 and with hand-held cameras. 92 00:05:57,590 --> 00:06:01,082 And there was a sense of anything was possible. 93 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:03,995 You know, just grab your camera, grab your equipment, 94 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:05,556 get in the back of the station wagon and go shoot it. 95 00:06:05,798 --> 00:06:06,696 You can compete with the big guys. 96 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:08,833 He was making little movies. 97 00:06:09,068 --> 00:06:10,865 There was a film he made called "Together," 98 00:06:11,104 --> 00:06:12,833 and it starred Marilyn Chambers 99 00:06:13,072 --> 00:06:14,039 who went to the local high school. 100 00:06:14,474 --> 00:06:16,999 It was a marital aid film 101 00:06:17,443 --> 00:06:20,503 for couples who were trying to strengthen their marital bond, 102 00:06:20,747 --> 00:06:22,738 as it would be, in the bedroom. 103 00:06:22,982 --> 00:06:25,576 We had a mutual friend. His name was Bud Talbot, 104 00:06:25,818 --> 00:06:27,786 who I was working with on a film. 105 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:29,681 I think he helped Sean raise some of the money, 106 00:06:29,922 --> 00:06:32,789 and uh, this movie, "Case of the Full Moon Murders," 107 00:06:33,025 --> 00:06:34,890 and it starred Harry Reams. It was very soft. 108 00:06:35,128 --> 00:06:37,062 In the softcore world. 109 00:06:37,497 --> 00:06:40,432 7:35 a. m. We were shown to a bedroom. 110 00:06:40,666 --> 00:06:42,395 A male corpse with an enormous erection 111 00:06:42,635 --> 00:06:43,897 was covered with a blanket. 112 00:06:44,137 --> 00:06:46,537 Our suspicions were immediately aroused. 113 00:06:46,773 --> 00:06:48,138 In the mid-seventies, everybody said we need 114 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:50,405 nice, clean, wholesome films. 115 00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:52,543 So we did two very nice, clean, wholesome films. 116 00:06:52,779 --> 00:06:56,442 And they made absolutely zero dollars. 117 00:06:56,682 --> 00:06:59,515 And now I had to get another job. 118 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:01,686 Somehow or other I had to get something going. 119 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:06,153 That something turned out to be 1 972's "Last House On the Left." 120 00:07:06,592 --> 00:07:08,992 To avoid fainting, keep repeating: 121 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:12,557 "It's only a movie. Only a movie..." 122 00:07:12,799 --> 00:07:14,494 The film produced by Cunningham, 123 00:07:14,734 --> 00:07:16,599 and directed by Wes Craven, 124 00:07:16,836 --> 00:07:18,770 who would go on to create 1 984's "A Nightmare On Elm Street," 125 00:07:19,005 --> 00:07:21,030 presented a brutal portrait 126 00:07:21,474 --> 00:07:24,671 of violence and visceral horror in small-town America. 127 00:07:24,911 --> 00:07:29,405 Well, we were co-producers of "Last House on the Left," 128 00:07:29,649 --> 00:07:31,674 which I think was a very important horror film. 129 00:07:31,918 --> 00:07:34,512 And it's still playing today all over the world. 130 00:07:34,754 --> 00:07:36,187 Although none of Sean Cunningham's early efforts 131 00:07:36,622 --> 00:07:38,146 achieved mainstream success, 132 00:07:38,591 --> 00:07:42,118 his next brainchild, with a considerable debt 133 00:07:42,562 --> 00:07:46,089 owed to John Carpenter's 1 978 screen shocker "Halloween," 134 00:07:46,532 --> 00:07:49,558 would launch a whole new sub-genre of horror. 135 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:52,896 I had thought of this title some time ago 136 00:07:53,139 --> 00:07:54,163 called Friday the 1 3th. And I said to myself, 137 00:07:54,607 --> 00:07:57,098 'lf I had a film called Friday the 1 3th, 138 00:07:57,543 --> 00:07:58,942 I could sell that. 139 00:07:59,178 --> 00:08:00,975 And Sean called me up and said, 140 00:08:01,214 --> 00:08:03,444 "Halloween" is making incredible money at the box office, 141 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:04,547 Iet's rip it off." 142 00:08:04,784 --> 00:08:06,877 That is keeping it real. 143 00:08:07,119 --> 00:08:08,051 And I said, "Here's what we're gonna do. 144 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:10,115 We're gonna take out an ad in Variety, 145 00:08:10,556 --> 00:08:12,786 and put at the top 'From the people who brought you 146 00:08:13,025 --> 00:08:15,994 "Last House on the Left" 147 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:18,697 comes the most terrifying film ever made. 148 00:08:18,931 --> 00:08:20,558 "Friday the 1 3th." 149 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,529 And that's all we had. 150 00:08:22,768 --> 00:08:23,894 We really didn't know what we were going to make. 151 00:08:24,136 --> 00:08:24,192 We just wanted to see if anybody would be interested 152 00:08:24,637 --> 00:08:26,901 in buying it. 153 00:08:27,139 --> 00:08:28,800 Cunningham was able to secure financing 154 00:08:29,041 --> 00:08:30,941 for "Friday the 1 3th" through the same trio 155 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:32,235 of east coast investors 156 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:33,872 who funded and distributed 157 00:08:34,113 --> 00:08:36,240 "Last House on the Left." 158 00:08:36,682 --> 00:08:39,742 Robert Barsamian, Stephen Minasian, and Philip Scuderi, 159 00:08:39,986 --> 00:08:42,716 owners of the Esquire Theaters chain, 160 00:08:42,955 --> 00:08:45,685 and who, under their Georgetown Productions banner, 161 00:08:45,925 --> 00:08:48,519 were ready to make their mark on motion picture history. 162 00:08:48,761 --> 00:08:52,663 But first, they needed one thing: a script. 163 00:08:52,899 --> 00:08:54,696 The longest part of the process 164 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:56,561 of creating the first "Friday the 1 3th" 165 00:08:56,802 --> 00:08:58,736 was figuring out the venue. 166 00:08:58,971 --> 00:09:01,769 So I had to find some territory 167 00:09:02,008 --> 00:09:04,101 that was adult-free, more-or-less. 168 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:06,068 Camp Crystal Lake is jinxed! 169 00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:08,803 Oh, terrific. 170 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:10,743 So we came up with summer camp, Sean said, "let's go with it," 171 00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:12,280 and that was that. 172 00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:13,946 The thing about the story in "Friday the 1 3th," 173 00:09:14,186 --> 00:09:17,622 is that it's so profoundly simple. 174 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:19,518 I think part of that had to do with the fact 175 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:22,091 that we had very little time to waste 176 00:09:22,328 --> 00:09:25,126 on conventional things like character and plot. 177 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:28,625 We had this notion that these kids 178 00:09:28,868 --> 00:09:30,301 would be out at a summer camp, 179 00:09:30,736 --> 00:09:33,261 and would be threatened by some kind of serial killer, 180 00:09:33,706 --> 00:09:36,174 and we would then be surprised to discover 181 00:09:36,609 --> 00:09:37,701 who the serial killer was at the end. 182 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:39,775 Who are you!?. 183 00:09:40,012 --> 00:09:41,843 I thought that basically what I had done 184 00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:45,278 was I had taken mom and apple pie, 185 00:09:45,718 --> 00:09:49,882 and the clean, wonderful, let's have a ball Pepsi generation, 186 00:09:50,122 --> 00:09:51,919 these clean cut kids who are out having fun 187 00:09:52,158 --> 00:09:53,785 and unfettered by adult restrictions, 188 00:09:54,026 --> 00:09:55,288 and stood it on its head. 189 00:09:55,728 --> 00:09:57,696 And I just knocked them off one-by-one. 190 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:00,899 By the fall of 1 979, with a script in hand 191 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:04,933 and a production budget of approximately $550,000, 192 00:10:05,171 --> 00:10:07,696 Cunningham and his prot�g� Steve Miner 193 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:10,306 began searching for the ideal location 194 00:10:10,743 --> 00:10:14,110 that would become the cursed hamlet of Crystal Lake. 195 00:10:14,347 --> 00:10:16,747 The film was shot in a small little Boy Scout camp 196 00:10:16,983 --> 00:10:19,213 called 'Camp No-be-Bo-Sco.' 197 00:10:19,652 --> 00:10:21,119 It was off-season so all the kids had gone home, 198 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:23,219 and we were able to take it over. 199 00:10:23,656 --> 00:10:26,284 So it was a standing, working camp. 200 00:10:26,726 --> 00:10:29,991 And, it was a whole bunch of log cabins and all that stuff. 201 00:10:30,229 --> 00:10:32,060 It was an archery range, it was a lake, it was everything. 202 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:34,163 It was just a little bit colder 203 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,799 than it normally would be in the summer. 204 00:10:36,035 --> 00:10:37,832 Like most tales set at summer camp, 205 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:40,129 "Friday the 1 3th" begins around a campfire. 206 00:10:40,373 --> 00:10:43,900 It's Friday, June 1 3, 1 958, 207 00:10:44,143 --> 00:10:46,771 and lovelorn counselors Claudette and Barry 208 00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:49,038 soon find their late-night tryst interrupted 209 00:10:49,281 --> 00:10:51,181 by a murderous stranger, 210 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:53,783 making them the first on-screen victims 211 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:55,351 in what would become one of the biggest body counts 212 00:10:55,788 --> 00:10:58,018 in film history. 213 00:10:58,257 --> 00:11:01,124 Fans have often asked if we planned to shoot 214 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,954 a more gruesome on-screen death for the character of Claudette. 215 00:11:04,196 --> 00:11:06,027 There are even photos that show her throat being sliced open 216 00:11:06,265 --> 00:11:08,733 by a machete. 217 00:11:08,968 --> 00:11:10,629 I think it was Savini, you know, 218 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:11,859 fooling around in the makeup room, 219 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:14,834 because we didn't have time to shoot 220 00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:17,133 that kind of a big production, 221 00:11:17,376 --> 00:11:19,674 As I originally laid out the character of the killer, 222 00:11:19,912 --> 00:11:22,346 and the clues as to who the killer was, 223 00:11:22,782 --> 00:11:25,376 in the original scene, you saw a missing finger. 224 00:11:25,818 --> 00:11:30,050 And so that every time you saw this hand without a finger, 225 00:11:30,289 --> 00:11:31,347 that would be your clue that this was the killer. 226 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:33,691 And for time and budgetary constraints, 227 00:11:33,926 --> 00:11:35,291 that got dropped out. 228 00:11:35,728 --> 00:11:37,355 As the film shifts to present day, 229 00:11:37,797 --> 00:11:40,027 we are introduced to a cast of fresh faces 230 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:42,291 culled from New York's thriving theater scene. 231 00:11:42,735 --> 00:11:45,203 And as would become the rule for all future Fridays, 232 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:47,406 the young, would-be victims had to be likable, 233 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,865 and they had to work cheap. 234 00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:52,805 My partner at the time, Julie Hughes and l, 235 00:11:53,045 --> 00:11:55,980 were pretty much the major casting people on Broadway. 236 00:11:56,215 --> 00:11:58,183 But we had done a few films. 237 00:11:58,417 --> 00:12:01,215 So we looked forward to doing this, 238 00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:05,151 particularly with the idea of finding all sorts of new talent 239 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:07,916 for the young kids in the film. 240 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,958 Julie Hughes had said, 'You know, you're not right for this, 241 00:12:11,197 --> 00:12:14,132 but they're doing this movie, and they need camp counselors, 242 00:12:14,366 --> 00:12:15,765 and you would be perfect.' 243 00:12:16,001 --> 00:12:18,026 So then they sent me to meet Sean 244 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:19,794 and audition for "Friday the 1 3th." 245 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,303 Hi, I'm going to Camp Crystal Lake. 246 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:25,210 You have to figure out as many different ways 247 00:12:25,444 --> 00:12:29,904 of making the teenagers dumb without being really stupid. 248 00:12:30,149 --> 00:12:32,014 Uh, I think we better stop. 249 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:35,482 Because the audience has got to be saying 250 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:37,889 as they sit there as part of this roller coaster ride, 251 00:12:38,124 --> 00:12:39,318 'Don't go in there, girl! Don't go in there! 252 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:41,750 Oh, no! 253 00:12:41,994 --> 00:12:44,861 To play their heroine, the filmmakers required 254 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,962 a resourceful and intelligent young actress 255 00:12:47,199 --> 00:12:48,496 who could not only fight back 256 00:12:48,934 --> 00:12:50,834 against the machete-wielding killer, 257 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:54,005 but could also hold her own against the amorous advances 258 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,140 of doomed camp owner, Steve Christy. 259 00:12:56,375 --> 00:12:58,036 Do I really look like that?. 260 00:12:58,277 --> 00:13:00,802 You did last night. 261 00:13:01,046 --> 00:13:05,415 My backstory to Alice was she was an art student, 262 00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:09,014 art major, psychology minor, 263 00:13:09,255 --> 00:13:10,916 and she had gotten her job through a friend of a friend 264 00:13:11,157 --> 00:13:12,124 who knew Steve Christy. 265 00:13:12,358 --> 00:13:14,189 Give me another chance. 266 00:13:14,426 --> 00:13:16,155 He obviously had the hots for her. 267 00:13:16,395 --> 00:13:19,125 Alice was big on space, you know?. 268 00:13:19,365 --> 00:13:20,764 She needed lots of elbow room. She had to think things out. 269 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,228 She was very confused. 270 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:23,958 I'll give it a week. 271 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:26,068 And who knows, maybe at the end of the summer 272 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,329 something would have happened. 273 00:13:27,573 --> 00:13:29,234 But he was gonna have to be patient. 274 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:31,841 And he didn't seem like the patient type. 275 00:13:32,077 --> 00:13:35,877 Well, there's no crazy people around here! 276 00:13:36,115 --> 00:13:38,811 In the role of resident prankster Ned was Mark Nelson, 277 00:13:39,051 --> 00:13:41,076 who had recently starred on Broadway 278 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,948 with his "Friday the 1 3th" co-star Jeannine Taylor, 279 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:46,454 whose happy-go-lucky character Marcie 280 00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:49,918 was given a fitting posthumous surname. 281 00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:52,562 The character wasn't named Marcie Cunningham. 282 00:13:52,998 --> 00:13:54,226 She didn't really have a last name at first, 283 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:57,401 and later on, after we wrapped, 284 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:01,398 Sean Cunningham decided, I guess, to adopt me, 285 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:06,175 because I ended up with his last name. 286 00:14:06,412 --> 00:14:09,245 For the role of Bill, the proverbial 'good guy' 287 00:14:09,481 --> 00:14:11,813 who proves to be a contender for Alice's affections 288 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:15,214 as well as a potential suspect, the filmmakers cast the son 289 00:14:15,454 --> 00:14:18,184 of one of Hollywood's most beloved legends. 290 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:23,487 Harry Crosby was the son of the legendary singer, Bing Crosby, 291 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:28,889 who was a popular singer in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. 292 00:14:29,134 --> 00:14:31,500 He had so many great stories about his dad, 293 00:14:31,937 --> 00:14:34,098 who had just passed away, 294 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:37,275 so it was probably kind of emotional for him 295 00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:40,910 to share much about his father. 296 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:44,047 How can you guys eat that stuff?. It looks like dead animals! 297 00:14:44,283 --> 00:14:46,615 Playing the nurturing and animal loving Brenda, 298 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:49,418 who learned just how dangerous and deadly 299 00:14:49,655 --> 00:14:52,886 an archery range could be, was the late Laurie Bartram, 300 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:56,526 who sadly lost a long battle with cancer in 2007. 301 00:14:56,962 --> 00:15:00,420 Laurie Bartram, we miss her so dearly. 302 00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:04,102 She was truly the heart and soul on that production. 303 00:15:04,336 --> 00:15:06,327 I remember her, she was who you saw. 304 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:08,597 You know, worried about everyone. 305 00:15:09,041 --> 00:15:13,034 I was really shocked and upset to hear she'd died so young. 306 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:15,509 Beautiful person, inside and out. 307 00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:18,508 But the young man whose fame 308 00:15:18,951 --> 00:15:21,112 would far surpass six degrees of Friday the 1 3th 309 00:15:21,353 --> 00:15:24,220 was, at the time, a struggling New York actor 310 00:15:24,456 --> 00:15:26,390 whose biggest film role to date 311 00:15:26,625 --> 00:15:30,925 had been in the blockbuster 1 978 comedy, "Animal House." 312 00:15:31,163 --> 00:15:33,893 I was surrounded by terrific young talent, 313 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:36,397 and particularly Kevin Bacon. 314 00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:39,195 I just thought he was so good and so professional. 315 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,668 I remember when I called his agent 316 00:15:42,107 --> 00:15:44,541 to see if l, if he would do "Friday the 1 3th." 317 00:15:44,977 --> 00:15:47,104 The agent said, 'Well, what does he do in the film?. ' 318 00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:48,404 I said, 'Well, mostly he just, you know, 319 00:15:48,647 --> 00:15:50,945 makes love to a lot of girls.' 320 00:15:51,183 --> 00:15:53,447 And the agent said, 'Well, Kevin loves to do that.' 321 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:57,122 "Footloose" was his breakout moment. 322 00:15:57,356 --> 00:15:59,586 Let's DANCE! 323 00:16:00,025 --> 00:16:01,322 And of course he skyrocketed, 324 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,393 but it was very obvious to me 325 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:08,191 that he was going to be a star. 326 00:16:08,434 --> 00:16:11,198 One of the most memorable characters in "Friday the 1 3th" 327 00:16:11,437 --> 00:16:14,201 was Crystal Lake's resident 'prophet of doom,' 328 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,634 played by veteran actor Walt Gorney, 329 00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:18,543 who passed away in 2004. 330 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,674 I know a lot of the fans of "Friday the 1 3th" 331 00:16:22,114 --> 00:16:24,173 Iove and admire Crazy Ralph. 332 00:16:24,416 --> 00:16:26,646 It's got a death curse! 333 00:16:27,086 --> 00:16:29,520 And this sounds strange, but it's the truth. 334 00:16:29,755 --> 00:16:33,555 I thought that Walt Gorney really was crazy. 335 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:38,987 He kind of frightened me. 336 00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:43,258 And I realize now he might have been a little eccentric, 337 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:45,697 but he was just a very, very fine character actor. 338 00:16:46,138 --> 00:16:48,971 It's so sad that he wasn't here 339 00:16:49,208 --> 00:16:51,642 to share all this acclaim over "Friday the 1 3th." 340 00:16:52,077 --> 00:16:54,341 He would have would have loved it. 341 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:57,276 As filming commenced on September 4, 1 979, 342 00:16:57,516 --> 00:16:59,484 cast and crew experienced their share 343 00:16:59,718 --> 00:17:01,709 of low-budget filmmaking misfortunes. 344 00:17:02,154 --> 00:17:04,622 And Cunningham's silent partner Phil Scuderi 345 00:17:05,057 --> 00:17:06,684 remained dissatisfied with certain elements 346 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:07,990 of Victor Miller's script. 347 00:17:08,227 --> 00:17:11,060 Enter Ron Kurz. 348 00:17:11,296 --> 00:17:16,324 I was sent down there to do some rewrites and basically 349 00:17:16,568 --> 00:17:19,435 to also see what was going on. 350 00:17:19,671 --> 00:17:22,640 I don't want to say I was a spy, but (laughs) 351 00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:24,372 The only scene I had a problem with 352 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:27,477 was the inclusionary scene of the motorcycle policeman, 353 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,476 which really argued against the concept 354 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:31,512 that this was a geography 355 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:35,186 that was kind of off bounds for the police. 356 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,286 I had never been on a motorcycle before, 357 00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:42,460 and in fact, I did fall on my ass. (laughs) 358 00:17:42,694 --> 00:17:45,128 The motorcycle fell on me, 359 00:17:45,364 --> 00:17:50,802 and course, Sean and Steve Miner come running to help me, 360 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,295 'You okay, Ron?. ' They lifted it off me I says, 'I'm fine. 361 00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:56,235 Although all of the human actors who met their on-screen demise 362 00:17:56,475 --> 00:17:58,306 came out of the film unscathed, 363 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:03,413 one on-screen fatality was, in fact, very real. 364 00:18:03,649 --> 00:18:07,745 I remember all of us playing the scene, 365 00:18:08,187 --> 00:18:11,520 and the poor snake, it was a real snake. 366 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:14,055 And he was chopped into bits. 367 00:18:14,293 --> 00:18:19,595 And for that, on behalf of myself 368 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:21,424 and anyone who's ever harmed a snake, 369 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,430 I would like to tell all snakes, 370 00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:27,696 poisonous or not, I'm sorry. 371 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:31,598 Wanting to up the ante on Halloween's minimalist shocks, 372 00:18:31,844 --> 00:18:34,836 Sean Cunningham needed to find someone 373 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,111 who could create the realistic, larger-than-life death sequences 374 00:18:37,349 --> 00:18:39,340 called for in the script. 375 00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:41,450 In the world of practical special effects, 376 00:18:41,687 --> 00:18:44,383 a new Dawn was emerging. 377 00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:46,716 When I decided to make "Friday the 1 3th," 378 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:49,593 my job was to try to figure out 379 00:18:49,828 --> 00:18:51,819 how to make something scary for very little money 380 00:18:52,264 --> 00:18:53,629 and very little production value. 381 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:55,094 The original Friday the 1 3th came out 382 00:18:55,334 --> 00:18:57,165 after "Dawn of the Dead." 383 00:18:57,402 --> 00:19:01,532 And "Dawn of the Dead" was sort of the first film 384 00:19:01,773 --> 00:19:05,869 that put gore effects really in the forefront. 385 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:07,608 Sean had seen "Dawn of the Dead, 386 00:19:07,846 --> 00:19:09,370 or somebody had seen "Dawn of the Dead" and said, 387 00:19:09,615 --> 00:19:10,172 'You know you're doing "Friday the 1 3th," 388 00:19:10,415 --> 00:19:11,848 you gotta get this guy. 389 00:19:12,284 --> 00:19:12,841 And there were other make-up artists, you know, 390 00:19:13,285 --> 00:19:15,344 but my effects had a reputation 391 00:19:15,587 --> 00:19:17,646 of being more realistic. And that could be 392 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:19,755 because I was a combat photographer in Vietnam. 393 00:19:20,192 --> 00:19:22,854 If the stuff I created didn't give me the same feeling I got 394 00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:26,128 when I saw the real stuff, 395 00:19:26,365 --> 00:19:28,856 then the fake stuff wasn't good enough, it wasn't real enough. 396 00:19:29,301 --> 00:19:31,235 And I think that had a lot to do 397 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:33,802 with the reputation for my effects. 398 00:19:34,239 --> 00:19:36,400 Up comes this guy in a BMW, and it's Tom Savini. 399 00:19:36,642 --> 00:19:38,701 He comes in, he's got this script all marked up, 400 00:19:38,944 --> 00:19:40,605 and he said, Okay now, let's see. 401 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:42,211 We've got a hunting arrow up through the chest, 402 00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:43,709 that's not a problem. 403 00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:46,247 I've got an axe in the face here on page 40. 404 00:19:46,485 --> 00:19:48,578 Do you want a real face and a fake axe, 405 00:19:48,820 --> 00:19:49,912 or do you want a fake face and real axe?. ' 406 00:19:50,355 --> 00:19:52,186 It's porno really, isn't it?. 407 00:19:52,424 --> 00:19:53,823 So the money shot in these slasher movies 408 00:19:54,259 --> 00:19:59,788 is the big kill. 409 00:20:00,232 --> 00:20:03,360 Sean was very insistent that we borrow from Hitchcock, 410 00:20:03,602 --> 00:20:06,594 that piece of "Psycho," which was to surprise the audience 411 00:20:06,838 --> 00:20:08,601 within the first twenty minutes 412 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,276 with, 'These people are not screwing around!' 413 00:20:12,511 --> 00:20:15,378 People have said to me that my character was sort of 414 00:20:15,614 --> 00:20:17,411 Iike the Janet Leigh in "Psycho," 415 00:20:17,649 --> 00:20:19,446 because I'm, I'm the set-up. 416 00:20:19,685 --> 00:20:21,744 You know?. I'm the set-up character to follow. 417 00:20:21,987 --> 00:20:24,182 Excuse me, how far is Camp Crystal Lake from here?. 418 00:20:24,423 --> 00:20:27,654 It is a lot of fun being the first person killed 419 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:30,327 in 'present-day' time of "Friday the 1 3th." 420 00:20:30,562 --> 00:20:32,530 But I didn't last too long. 421 00:20:32,764 --> 00:20:34,857 We did the little stunt, jumping out of the jeep 422 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,198 and running through the woods, and that was really, 423 00:20:36,435 --> 00:20:37,902 that was really great fun. 424 00:20:38,337 --> 00:20:40,202 You see her up against the tree. 425 00:20:40,439 --> 00:20:41,736 And the knife comes up (makes a swish sound) 426 00:20:41,974 --> 00:20:43,464 and passes through frame. 427 00:20:43,709 --> 00:20:45,540 And she's standing there for a second. 428 00:20:45,777 --> 00:20:47,244 she puts her hand up, and you're thinking, 429 00:20:47,479 --> 00:20:48,468 'Oh, maybe she's okay.' 430 00:20:48,714 --> 00:20:50,705 And then the blood pours out. 431 00:20:50,949 --> 00:20:52,940 The piece was very small that was on my neck. 432 00:20:53,385 --> 00:20:55,615 So, there was already a slit in the piece. 433 00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:57,685 And it was covered very well. 434 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,483 So, the tube, you know, just ran down my sleeve, 435 00:21:00,726 --> 00:21:02,626 and Tom was right there working the blood. 436 00:21:02,861 --> 00:21:04,351 Just right off camera. It really did look great. 437 00:21:04,596 --> 00:21:06,962 The beauty of these movies 438 00:21:07,399 --> 00:21:09,765 and kind of the slasher movie genre ultimately is, 439 00:21:10,002 --> 00:21:12,436 you can go and just, if you want to go see people get killed 440 00:21:12,671 --> 00:21:14,298 in a variety of interesting and compelling ways, 441 00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:15,836 you can go and have that. 442 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,264 If you want a little bit of nudity, 443 00:21:17,509 --> 00:21:18,476 chances are you're going to get that as well. 444 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:18,971 And I know as a young man, that's what I wanted. 445 00:21:19,411 --> 00:21:20,571 I needed the T&A for me, 446 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:22,473 to hell with the audience. 447 00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:24,375 You know, bikinis and swimming, and it's all just 448 00:21:24,616 --> 00:21:27,278 young and hormonal. 449 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:29,578 Everybody wants to have sex with each other. 450 00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:33,348 Oh my god! I actually took my clothes off! 451 00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:35,890 Yes, it was for a great reason. 452 00:21:36,328 --> 00:21:38,626 I got to have 'screen sex' with Kevin Bacon. 453 00:21:38,864 --> 00:21:41,992 Then, when poor Neddy is on top, 454 00:21:42,434 --> 00:21:44,334 we don't actually see him killed, 455 00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:46,036 but I thought that was so brilliant. 456 00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:50,032 With the blood dripping down. It's like AHHH. 457 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:52,841 There you have Kevin Bacon all satiated and smoking dope, 458 00:21:53,078 --> 00:21:56,309 and he gets an arrow through his neck. 459 00:21:56,548 --> 00:21:57,606 I thought that was so creative and so brilliant. 460 00:21:57,849 --> 00:21:59,840 Probably my favorite. 461 00:22:00,085 --> 00:22:03,680 But I had done George Romero's Martin, 462 00:22:03,922 --> 00:22:05,048 and in Martin the guy had to get a stick in his neck. 463 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:06,787 And in Kevin Bacon's case, 464 00:22:07,025 --> 00:22:09,425 we put that wife beater on the fake body. 465 00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,561 He's like on his knees under the bed 466 00:22:11,797 --> 00:22:13,389 with his head here, and here's the fake body. 467 00:22:13,632 --> 00:22:16,760 And me and my buddy, Taso, under there and you know, 468 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,936 I'm pushing the arrow through and Taso was pumping the blood. 469 00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:20,736 But an accident occurred. 470 00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:23,770 The tube separated from Taso's pump, 471 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,443 so he grabbed it and blew in it. 472 00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:28,942 And that's what made the blood shoot out and gurgle. 473 00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:31,440 Which was a happy accident, it made the effect, 474 00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:33,878 you know, bloodier and grislier. 475 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,349 She screams and the axe comes up. 476 00:22:36,588 --> 00:22:39,853 And you see the axe make contact with the light. 477 00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:43,027 You know, that was completely Tom's idea, 478 00:22:43,462 --> 00:22:47,398 as to make the audience realize that this axe is a real axe. 479 00:22:47,632 --> 00:22:49,623 It has substance to it, and it's heavy. 480 00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:53,634 I don't remember precisely what showed up on film, 481 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:57,672 but I do know that the scene was a lot longer 482 00:22:57,909 --> 00:23:03,006 than what ended up in the final cut. No pun intended. 483 00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:05,973 Sex is part of the driving thing. 484 00:23:06,418 --> 00:23:09,751 There is this war between sex and violence that goes on. 485 00:23:09,988 --> 00:23:12,718 Sex...die You know, have sex, die. 486 00:23:12,958 --> 00:23:15,552 That's the premise, that's the underlying thing, you know, 487 00:23:15,794 --> 00:23:17,056 going through the "Friday the 1 3th" movies. 488 00:23:17,496 --> 00:23:18,793 Is Sean Cunningham like a devout, 489 00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:20,827 born-again Christian or something?. 490 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,125 I don't believe "Friday the 1 3th" was a morality play. 491 00:23:23,568 --> 00:23:25,729 Alice had sensibilities, 492 00:23:25,971 --> 00:23:28,963 and she was not part of what I called the clique, 493 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,842 or the in-group or whatever. 494 00:23:32,077 --> 00:23:35,877 The reason the girl who didn't make love survived 495 00:23:36,114 --> 00:23:38,981 was that she was not distracted. 496 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:42,444 It's not that she was more moral than the others, 497 00:23:42,687 --> 00:23:43,779 she just had had nobody to make it with 498 00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:46,013 so she was not busy. 499 00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:48,551 I remember one particular one 500 00:23:48,794 --> 00:23:49,852 where Adrienne is in the kitchen. 501 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:52,495 And she thinks she's safe. 502 00:23:52,731 --> 00:23:55,063 And there's a place where she just goes, [sigh] 503 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,968 and just as that happens -- 504 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,899 WHAM! Somebody comes flying through the window. 505 00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:01,969 You didn't see Laurie Bartram die, 506 00:24:02,207 --> 00:24:03,469 the girl on the archery range?. 507 00:24:03,708 --> 00:24:04,436 She was just thrown through the window. 508 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:06,007 It was actually me 509 00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:07,036 in her nightgown and wig, going through the window. 510 00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:09,572 But Cunningham's insistence 511 00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:11,442 that he would not give the audience any clues 512 00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:14,083 that would hint at the killer's real identity 513 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,613 resulted in "Friday the 1 3th's" penultimate surprise. 514 00:24:17,856 --> 00:24:19,483 Where is the killer?. Who is the killer?. 515 00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:22,124 And we bring in Betsy Palmer. 516 00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,552 We cast Betsy Palmer. 517 00:24:24,796 --> 00:24:27,993 And this was really my strong feeling for Mrs. Voorhees, 518 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:30,861 that she should be somebody warm and comforting. 519 00:24:31,102 --> 00:24:33,127 So when that door opens, 520 00:24:33,572 --> 00:24:37,099 and the audience sees it's this nice mother type. 521 00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:40,136 I'm Mrs. Voorhees. An old friend of the Christies. 522 00:24:40,579 --> 00:24:42,206 And you would think of her and be predisposed 523 00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:43,841 to think of her as a nice person, 524 00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:46,812 who then we find out is crazy. 525 00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:50,112 I had heard, I think probably from Sean, 526 00:24:50,555 --> 00:24:52,682 that Estelle Parsons had been offered the role first. 527 00:24:52,924 --> 00:24:56,621 And because Estelle and l 528 00:24:56,862 --> 00:24:58,887 are actresses of the same age and all 529 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:01,530 Because "Friday the 1 3th's" production schedule 530 00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:04,132 got moved back, she could no longer do it. 531 00:25:04,569 --> 00:25:08,471 So it was strictly a time thing. 532 00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:10,470 It wasn't that she didn't like it, or they didn't like her. 533 00:25:10,709 --> 00:25:11,971 By the way, when l read this script, 534 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:14,041 I said 'What a piece of junk'. 535 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,180 I thought, 'This will come. It will go. 536 00:25:17,616 --> 00:25:19,709 Nobody will ever know or ever see it'. 537 00:25:19,951 --> 00:25:22,749 So I run into Mrs. Voorhees, 538 00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:23,682 thinking she is the one who is going to save me 539 00:25:23,922 --> 00:25:26,584 I felt, 'Oh, this poor thing' 540 00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:29,760 and she's telling me about all this disastrous stuff 541 00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:31,223 that was going on 542 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:33,858 They're all dead. They're all dead. 543 00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:37,728 And then we find out that she had this kid 544 00:25:37,969 --> 00:25:40,062 Did you know that a young boy drowned?. 545 00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:42,273 The year before those two others were killed?. 546 00:25:42,707 --> 00:25:46,006 Poor woman. She lost her son, Jason, 547 00:25:46,244 --> 00:25:48,769 while the camp counselors were fooling around. 548 00:25:49,014 --> 00:25:53,178 Jason was my son, and today is his birthday. 549 00:25:53,618 --> 00:25:56,849 And this becomes, 'Oh boy, look out now. 550 00:25:57,088 --> 00:25:59,056 Now I get it.' 551 00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:02,658 You let him drown! You never paid any attention! 552 00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:06,091 Look what you did to him. 553 00:26:06,331 --> 00:26:08,856 In retrospect, I think "Psycho" got in 554 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,068 in a way that I was not conscious of at all. 555 00:26:11,303 --> 00:26:13,635 Well, a boy's best friend is his mother. 556 00:26:13,872 --> 00:26:17,968 I basically reversed Tony Perkins and his mother. 557 00:26:18,209 --> 00:26:22,612 And I had the mother alive, and the kid dead. 558 00:26:22,847 --> 00:26:25,213 She's revenging poor Jason's death. 559 00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:28,881 And she believes that it's our fault. 560 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:33,784 All of a sudden, I hear the voice in my head saying 561 00:26:34,025 --> 00:26:36,926 Kill her, Mommy! Kill her! 562 00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:38,629 There's another place where Betsy, 563 00:26:38,863 --> 00:26:39,659 who's really an incredible actress, 564 00:26:39,898 --> 00:26:41,331 she did a thing, 565 00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:42,960 and I even pointed it out to her one day, 566 00:26:43,201 --> 00:26:44,759 and when you say the line 567 00:26:45,003 --> 00:26:46,129 He wasn't a very good swimmer. 568 00:26:46,371 --> 00:26:48,566 And you smiled. 569 00:26:48,807 --> 00:26:51,674 You're crazy, you know it, 570 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:54,674 and you don't care. (laughs) 571 00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:56,972 And that's really scary. 572 00:26:57,215 --> 00:27:01,015 I won't, Jason. I won't. 573 00:27:01,252 --> 00:27:04,085 I came up with the idea for Jason's name 574 00:27:04,322 --> 00:27:06,586 'cause originally I had called him, it was going to be Josh. 575 00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:09,851 But the more I worked on the film, 576 00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:12,290 and the creepier the whole subject of that got, 577 00:27:12,731 --> 00:27:14,858 I stuck with the 'J' and went to Jason. 578 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,591 And I knew a kid named Jason when I was, oh, 579 00:27:17,836 --> 00:27:19,360 about 8, 9 or 1 0 years old. 580 00:27:19,804 --> 00:27:22,068 And he was one of them sneaky little bastards, 581 00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:24,172 who was always telling on people. 582 00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:26,036 And he was a mean little guy. 583 00:27:26,277 --> 00:27:28,268 And so I never really liked his name. 584 00:27:28,713 --> 00:27:30,681 Despite having played arguably 585 00:27:30,915 --> 00:27:32,177 one of the most demented villainesses 586 00:27:32,417 --> 00:27:33,941 ever to appear on screen, 587 00:27:34,185 --> 00:27:36,278 Betsy Palmer has amassed a large, 588 00:27:36,721 --> 00:27:39,918 and largely-sympathetic, cult following. 589 00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,126 When I'm doing the autographs, signing, conventions, 590 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,124 they put their babies in my arms 591 00:27:45,363 --> 00:27:48,696 and this killer lady (laughs) holds the little child. 592 00:27:48,933 --> 00:27:51,094 The little children come up and all. 593 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:54,794 I've said to people, I've said, 'Why?. Why do you love her 594 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,065 as much as you do, 595 00:27:57,308 --> 00:27:59,776 when she's supposed to be this dreadful human being?. ' 596 00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:01,308 And they say, "Because we understand 597 00:28:01,746 --> 00:28:03,407 why you did it." 598 00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:06,214 Mrs. Voorhees, is, to my thinking, 599 00:28:06,451 --> 00:28:09,386 had every reason to keep a camp closed 600 00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:12,415 because otherwise somebody else's son would drown 601 00:28:12,857 --> 00:28:14,154 just like her little Jason. 602 00:28:14,392 --> 00:28:16,917 And that's all she was doing, 603 00:28:17,162 --> 00:28:19,323 was making sure that that never happened to another mother 604 00:28:19,764 --> 00:28:21,288 ever again. 605 00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:24,099 I've never felt that she was anything 606 00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:26,963 but a mother who was trying to care for a poor, 607 00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:29,366 wounded cub. 608 00:28:29,808 --> 00:28:31,776 I mean I couldn't imagine. I'd just go crazy, myself, 609 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:34,069 if my grandson, who I'm raising as my son, 610 00:28:34,312 --> 00:28:35,904 if something happened to him. 611 00:28:36,147 --> 00:28:39,708 So I can clearly identify with Betsy Palmer's character. 612 00:28:39,951 --> 00:28:42,920 Here's a child who's been ignored, neglected. 613 00:28:43,154 --> 00:28:46,749 I honestly felt like, 'Hey, here's one for all those kids 614 00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:49,152 who have been set to the side because they were different. 615 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:52,852 Many years ago, with the help of a very fine psychologist, 616 00:28:53,098 --> 00:28:56,431 I saw that Mrs. Voorhees is the mother I never had. 617 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,894 She is the mother who will kill people 618 00:29:00,138 --> 00:29:03,369 to avenge her son's death. 619 00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:05,708 Undeniably, one of the film's most memorable characters 620 00:29:05,944 --> 00:29:08,174 is its iconic musical score. 621 00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,313 and the now-infamous sound effect 622 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:13,445 created by composer Harry Manfredini. 623 00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:16,718 So much of the delight of "Friday the 1 3th" 624 00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:18,217 and the experience of it, came from the sound effects 625 00:29:18,456 --> 00:29:19,946 and the music. 626 00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:21,317 Somehow or the other, the music 627 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,456 had to evoke and point out the fact 628 00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:27,126 that the killer was there. 629 00:29:27,365 --> 00:29:28,423 It wasn't just the camera shooting. 630 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:30,960 it was the POV of the killer. 631 00:29:31,202 --> 00:29:34,194 Harry's delightful signature piece, 632 00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:38,375 the ma-ma-ma-ki-ki-ki... 633 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:40,107 If you go to the end of the film, 634 00:29:40,345 --> 00:29:43,314 you'll see a very close-up of Betsy Palmer's, 635 00:29:43,548 --> 00:29:46,176 Mrs. Voorhees' mouth. 636 00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:48,851 Where she's saying, to herself-- 637 00:29:49,087 --> 00:29:50,384 kill her, Mommy. 638 00:29:50,822 --> 00:29:55,418 Kill her, Mommy. Kill her. 639 00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:59,523 I just went, and I took the consonant sound of the 'K', 640 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:03,331 'Kl' from kill her, and 'MA' from 'Mommy.' 641 00:30:03,568 --> 00:30:07,527 I went up to a microphone and just went 'k-k-k-' 'ma'. 642 00:30:07,972 --> 00:30:10,907 And we ran it through something called an Echoplex, 643 00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:14,771 which was a gizmo back in the late 70's, early 80's. 644 00:30:15,013 --> 00:30:18,380 And it ended up becoming 'k-k-k-ma- ma-ma', 645 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,877 and that of course, became the instant sound 646 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,315 that I needed to bring the killer 647 00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:30,927 into the first reel, and throughout the picture. 648 00:30:31,162 --> 00:30:33,062 And I'm sure that without Harry's music, 649 00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:34,890 and without the sound effects, 650 00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:36,498 we never would have had the success 651 00:30:36,935 --> 00:30:38,266 that finally happened. 652 00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:40,835 I think the women were stronger in this film 653 00:30:41,072 --> 00:30:42,437 than the guys were. 654 00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:45,399 You know, look who it came down to. 655 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,209 The battle was between Mrs. Voorhees and Alice. 656 00:30:47,445 --> 00:30:50,039 There was a sequence that I was to, 657 00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:53,216 well, I'd begun to really lose it. 658 00:30:53,451 --> 00:30:56,909 Smack her, you know, give her a hit alongside of her chops. 659 00:30:57,155 --> 00:30:58,554 Well, when we hit somebody on stage, 660 00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:00,355 we hit somebody. 661 00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:04,289 So I hauled off, and I gave her a smack. 662 00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:08,124 Well, she fell to the ground crying, 663 00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:12,325 'Sean, Sean, she hit me. She hit me.' 664 00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:13,969 And he came over and he said, 'No, no, no, Betsy. 665 00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:15,467 We don't do that in movies.' 666 00:31:15,907 --> 00:31:19,172 I said, 'Well, what are we supposed to do?. ' 667 00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:21,503 He said, 'You'll miss her.' 668 00:31:21,946 --> 00:31:25,347 And he said, "We'll just bring in the sound afterwards." 669 00:31:25,583 --> 00:31:29,110 Alice doesn't want to die. And she fights back. 670 00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:33,620 And then they go through this incredible beach ballet. 671 00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:36,618 We're, of course, pounding away at one another, 672 00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,291 and I have her hair. 673 00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:44,433 And then she goes at me with some sort of a boat oar. 674 00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:48,332 My favorite kill of all-- Mrs. Voorhees slow-mo. 675 00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,633 It doesn't get better than that. The ultimate kill by Alice. 676 00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:55,239 The assistant director came up, and said, 677 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,007 'Hey, we're gonna cut your head off.' 678 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:01,878 He said, 'Don't ya wanna see how we're gonna do it??' 679 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,486 I said, 'You've got to be kidding. 680 00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:07,483 I could care less how you're going to chop my head off'. 681 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:10,156 Taso Strevakis was my assistant on that movie. 682 00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:12,420 We actually made a cast of Betsy Palmer's head, 683 00:32:12,664 --> 00:32:15,098 made a rubber dummy of it. 684 00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:17,324 We decorated the inside so when it severed you would see 685 00:32:17,568 --> 00:32:20,162 anatomically-correct gore in there. 686 00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:23,465 It was Tommy Savini's assistant. 687 00:32:23,708 --> 00:32:25,676 It was attached to him in some way. 688 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:29,273 And Tommy Savini is the one that cut it off. 689 00:32:29,514 --> 00:32:31,448 What I did was I attached it with toothpicks. 690 00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:33,583 So the toothpicks were just kind of holding it in place, 691 00:32:34,018 --> 00:32:35,986 knowing that when I whacked it with that machete, 692 00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:37,152 it would go through the toothpicks. 693 00:32:37,388 --> 00:32:39,322 And I wanted to whack it so the head would spin, 694 00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:42,082 which luckily it did in the first take. 695 00:32:42,327 --> 00:32:44,921 Oh, I mean, I don't have hair on the back of my hands, 696 00:32:45,163 --> 00:32:46,425 you know, like he did. 697 00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:49,189 I thought that was a little weird in one shot. 698 00:32:49,434 --> 00:32:51,698 If you watch the movie when Betsy Palmer is decapitated, 699 00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:53,262 her hands come up into the frame, 700 00:32:53,504 --> 00:32:56,098 in kind of like grabbing air. 701 00:32:56,341 --> 00:32:57,933 They're Taso's hands with hairy knuckles. 702 00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:00,644 It's not Betsy Palmer. 703 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,242 It's these big meat puffs that he's got as hands. 704 00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,211 Even after the dramatic death of Mrs. Voorhees, 705 00:33:06,451 --> 00:33:09,215 a final, crucial scene remained. 706 00:33:09,454 --> 00:33:11,388 One that would prove to be Cunningham's master stroke, 707 00:33:11,622 --> 00:33:14,090 and a defining moment 708 00:33:14,325 --> 00:33:15,622 that would, unbeknownst to anyone at the time, 709 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:18,494 spawn a franchise. 710 00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:21,392 You know, in talking to Sean about the ending, 711 00:33:21,632 --> 00:33:22,599 They really didn't have an ending so, 712 00:33:23,034 --> 00:33:24,729 and I had just seen Carrie. 713 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:26,397 You know in Carrie they did a beautiful job. 714 00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:28,400 Brian De Palma convinced you the movie is over. 715 00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:30,038 She's walking around in the graveyard, 716 00:33:30,274 --> 00:33:31,468 the hand comes up and grabs her. 717 00:33:31,709 --> 00:33:33,506 Scared the bejesus out of me, 718 00:33:33,745 --> 00:33:35,235 and I'm sure anyone else who ever saw it. 719 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,277 So I said to Sean, 720 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:38,106 'Why don't we have Jason jump out of the lake, you know, 721 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:40,112 and attack her?. ' 722 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,581 But Jason's dead,' he said. 723 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,420 And I clearly remember that, you know, if it's a dream, 724 00:33:44,655 --> 00:33:46,145 you can get away with anything. 725 00:33:46,391 --> 00:33:48,689 You could call it an homage, 726 00:33:49,127 --> 00:33:51,561 I call it a theft. You know, grand theft cinema. 727 00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:54,196 I mean everybody, including the special effects man 728 00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:57,094 (laughs) to the girl who typed up the memos, 729 00:33:57,335 --> 00:33:58,734 to the girl who went out for lunch, 730 00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:02,037 claimed to have written this scene (laughs). 731 00:34:02,273 --> 00:34:03,433 But, I wrote it. 732 00:34:03,674 --> 00:34:05,574 At first, they were thinking 733 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:09,610 of having Noel Cunningham, Sean's son, do it. 734 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,278 But his wife would have none of that. 735 00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:14,542 My mother said, 'You're out of your mind 736 00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:17,220 if I'm going to let my kid spend four hours in a lake 737 00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:18,786 in the middle of fall in New Jersey 738 00:34:19,223 --> 00:34:21,214 to be in your stupid movie. 739 00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:24,019 Were it not for her, I would have been Jason. 740 00:34:24,262 --> 00:34:26,526 I would have been the first Jason. 741 00:34:26,764 --> 00:34:31,360 And I'm not bitter 742 00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:33,763 Prior to that I had been in "Manny's Orphans," 743 00:34:34,205 --> 00:34:36,730 and I played this kid Roger, 744 00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:40,372 who was like a slightly sex-obsessed little kid. 745 00:34:40,611 --> 00:34:43,409 So Steve Miner just kind of said, 746 00:34:43,648 --> 00:34:44,546 'Hey, let's get Ari to do it.' 747 00:34:44,782 --> 00:34:46,511 My investors in Boston 748 00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:49,185 wanted to have it more extreme and seaweed, 749 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:51,684 and maybe he could be deformed a little bit, 750 00:34:52,123 --> 00:34:55,058 and Tom Savini said, 'Oh, I've got a great idea.' 751 00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:56,624 And he started to make his head lopsided 752 00:34:56,861 --> 00:34:59,193 and put a weird eye on him. 753 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,091 And it just became more and more extreme. 754 00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:05,598 We dredged up part of the pond 755 00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:09,671 and Tom Savini used real swamp muck for that. 756 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,269 I came upon a picture in this group of Polaroids 757 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:14,375 and I said, 'And who's this??' 758 00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:18,104 And he said, 'Oh, that's your son.' 759 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:20,613 And I said, 'Well, why does he look so strange?. ' 760 00:35:20,852 --> 00:35:24,151 And he said, 'Well, he said, he's a mongoloid. 761 00:35:24,388 --> 00:35:27,357 I said, 'He's what?.!' 762 00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:29,856 I said, that wasn't in the script!' 763 00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:32,694 That's a nightmare Jason that comes out of the water. 764 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:37,261 The real Jason was probably just an almost ordinary child. 765 00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:40,835 And so that part is a total dream, 766 00:35:41,272 --> 00:35:42,705 or it was in my mind. 767 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,735 We wind up having this gorgeous, idyllic setting. 768 00:35:46,177 --> 00:35:48,645 You know, on the lake, in the canoe. 769 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,713 I did everything I could to tell the audience 770 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:55,779 that it's okay now. You can relax. It's over. 771 00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:59,314 But the strongest aspect is Harry Manfredini's soundtrack. 772 00:35:59,557 --> 00:36:02,390 That was really the first time in the film 773 00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:05,790 where the music stopped being the music for the killer 774 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:12,191 and started to really manipulate you. 775 00:36:12,436 --> 00:36:15,132 It's over. The police have come. The cavalry's here. 776 00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:18,206 It went on so long that even the people 777 00:36:18,442 --> 00:36:20,603 who were positive something was going to happen 778 00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,836 pretty much gave up that something was going to happen. 779 00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:25,613 Alice has this look of hope. 780 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:26,748 And she's just trailing her fingers in the water. 781 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:31,349 And BAM! 782 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,853 And it was a wonderful addition. 783 00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:35,759 I mean I think that Sean's idea is right. 784 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:38,355 That it really wasn't finished until that. 785 00:36:38,596 --> 00:36:40,621 One of the really delightful things that we could do 786 00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,561 is go to a screening and watch the people jump at the end, 787 00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:47,362 because for whatever reasons, this ending got 'em. 788 00:36:47,605 --> 00:36:49,368 I'm telling you, people just flew out of the seats 789 00:36:49,607 --> 00:36:51,438 and ran out of the theater 790 00:36:51,676 --> 00:36:53,769 and Sean was just like a little kid going, 791 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:56,373 'l got 'em, I got 'em all!' 792 00:36:56,614 --> 00:36:58,514 I think without that single moment, 793 00:36:58,749 --> 00:37:00,182 I don't think Friday would have been half as successful 794 00:37:00,418 --> 00:37:02,477 as it was. 795 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,745 Because the people got to leave, strangely enough, 796 00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:06,251 with a smile on their face. 797 00:37:06,490 --> 00:37:08,515 They got tricked, and they loved it. 798 00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:11,523 And then the next scene Alice wakes up, 799 00:37:11,762 --> 00:37:14,196 and they tell her no one else was found. 800 00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:16,957 It was only her. Everyone else is dead. 801 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:21,269 I remember the scene in the hospital vividly 802 00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:23,803 because, when I sort of ask, 803 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,642 when she asks me about the boy and I go, 804 00:37:26,877 --> 00:37:28,868 Ma'am, we didn't find any boy. 805 00:37:29,313 --> 00:37:31,577 And she says 806 00:37:31,816 --> 00:37:33,443 Then he's still there. 807 00:37:33,684 --> 00:37:36,676 And he certainly was. 808 00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:40,584 I knew that we're looking at a Part 2 here. 809 00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:43,293 Those little drops at the end, 810 00:37:43,527 --> 00:37:45,392 Those little ripples in the water at the end. 811 00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:47,495 It's like, well, was it a dream, wasn't it at dream?. 812 00:37:47,732 --> 00:37:49,290 Were those raindrops, or were those air bubbles?. 813 00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:52,331 And I think now we know the answer. 814 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:55,004 In early 1 980, the film was picked up 815 00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:58,374 for domestic distribution by Frank Mancuso, Sr. 816 00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:01,669 VP of Paramount Pictures, who planned a national release 817 00:38:01,912 --> 00:38:03,880 and a multi-million dollar marketing campaign. 818 00:38:04,315 --> 00:38:06,783 The risk paid off, and for Paramount, 819 00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:09,350 Sean Cunningham and Georgetown Productions, 820 00:38:09,587 --> 00:38:10,679 "Friday the 1 3th" was about to become 821 00:38:10,921 --> 00:38:13,389 their lucky day. 822 00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:16,821 Frank Mancuso was head of distribution at Paramount. 823 00:38:17,061 --> 00:38:19,757 And he had the idea of treating this little movie 824 00:38:19,997 --> 00:38:22,864 as if it were a real movie. 825 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:26,270 And had no stars, and nothing recognizable 826 00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:28,972 except this sort of strange, superstitious title. 827 00:38:29,407 --> 00:38:32,035 And went out and sold it like crazy. 828 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:34,910 1 829 00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:38,838 2 830 00:38:39,083 --> 00:38:40,914 3 831 00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:45,413 Friday the 1 3th. You may only see it once. 832 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:50,719 But that will be enough. 833 00:38:50,961 --> 00:38:53,953 "Friday the 1 3th" opened on May 9, 1 980, 834 00:38:54,398 --> 00:38:58,528 eventually taking in $39.7 million at the U.S. box office. 835 00:38:58,769 --> 00:39:00,737 If the reason behind the film's immense popularity 836 00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:02,598 was lost on mainstream critics, 837 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,434 who not only hated the film, but eviscerated it. 838 00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:08,736 no one was more stunned by its success than its creators. 839 00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:10,913 For better or worse, "Friday the 1 3th" 840 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:12,782 would change their lives. 841 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,646 and the horror genre...forever. 842 00:39:16,887 --> 00:39:18,616 When it first started, it was repeat business 843 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:19,982 that made it successful. 844 00:39:20,424 --> 00:39:23,587 It was teenage girls going to see it 845 00:39:23,828 --> 00:39:25,318 and then bringing their girlfriends, 846 00:39:25,563 --> 00:39:26,996 and then dragging their boyfriend to see it. 847 00:39:27,431 --> 00:39:28,955 It was all this repeat business. 848 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,028 Before "Friday the 1 3th," maybe the most successful 849 00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:33,698 quote-unquote horror movies 850 00:39:33,938 --> 00:39:36,338 were handled on a very limited basis, 851 00:39:36,574 --> 00:39:38,371 Iike "Halloween" or even "Carrie." 852 00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:40,941 They weren't treated as major motion pictures. 853 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:44,371 The fact that that one became so wildly successful, 854 00:39:44,615 --> 00:39:46,742 the producers jumped on it as this is an opportunity 855 00:39:46,984 --> 00:39:49,714 for us to sell this off and make more and more films. 856 00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:52,616 You also have to remember this was back in 1 980. 857 00:39:52,857 --> 00:39:55,519 This was before cable TV. Before the internet. 858 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,595 Before VHS really. Before DVD. 859 00:40:00,831 --> 00:40:04,562 So if you wanted to get anything that was really titillating, 860 00:40:04,802 --> 00:40:07,566 horror was the only place you could go. 861 00:40:07,805 --> 00:40:09,898 There was something, um, exciting about it 862 00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:11,540 'cause it was breaking new ground. 863 00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:13,607 And of course your parents didn't want you to see it, 864 00:40:13,844 --> 00:40:16,005 which only made you want to see it that much more, 865 00:40:16,447 --> 00:40:18,005 and made it that much better when you did see it. 866 00:40:18,449 --> 00:40:21,612 The modern horror movie was kind of born, 867 00:40:21,852 --> 00:40:24,980 because it now became a possible player 868 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,755 in the mainstream distribution of movies. 869 00:40:27,992 --> 00:40:29,653 It's like "Night of the Living Dead" with Romero. 870 00:40:29,894 --> 00:40:32,158 Those guys involved in that all had careers after that. 871 00:40:32,596 --> 00:40:34,791 I thought it was a piece of crap. 872 00:40:35,032 --> 00:40:38,160 And l, truthfully, didn't care if my name got on it or not. 873 00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:42,436 At that time. (laughs) And then when it opened, 874 00:40:42,673 --> 00:40:44,766 (laughs) My god! 875 00:40:45,009 --> 00:40:46,704 The critical reaction to "Friday the 13th," 876 00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:50,812 was so abysmal that I knew we were going to be a success. 877 00:40:51,048 --> 00:40:53,516 I mean, there was one critic who wanted us all arrested 878 00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:56,117 and tried for horrible crimes against humanity. 879 00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,579 I'm convinced it has something to do 880 00:40:58,823 --> 00:40:59,790 with the growth of the women's movement in America 881 00:41:00,024 --> 00:41:01,889 in the last decade. 882 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:04,788 I think that these films are some sort of primordial response 883 00:41:05,029 --> 00:41:07,964 by some very sick people, of men 884 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:09,757 saying 'get back in your place, women.' 885 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,130 And I was upset by all of the terrible publicity, 886 00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:17,132 and the scorn and the ridicule. 887 00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:20,544 Gene Siskel gave us this scathing review. 888 00:41:20,778 --> 00:41:23,212 I think he even may have published Betsy Palmer's address 889 00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:25,638 saying, 'write to her nasty things 890 00:41:25,883 --> 00:41:27,578 because she's a terrible person. 891 00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:31,447 How dare Betsy Palmer play a role like this 892 00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:33,623 in "Friday the 1 3th," 893 00:41:33,858 --> 00:41:36,122 when she has made herself so lovable, 894 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,790 on "I've Got a Secret all these years, 895 00:41:39,029 --> 00:41:40,929 and all the television shows she's done. 896 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:43,725 How dare she play a role like that, 897 00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:46,960 and insult her viewing audience?. 898 00:41:47,204 --> 00:41:49,798 And I thought, 'Well, those who can, do, 899 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,132 and those who can't, criticize.' 900 00:41:51,575 --> 00:41:53,042 The first of the slashers 901 00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:57,873 were to reflect the changing attitudes and ideas 902 00:41:58,115 --> 00:41:59,946 about women and what they could do. 903 00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:03,153 I think we go back to Jamie Lee Curtis in "Halloween," 904 00:42:03,587 --> 00:42:06,055 Sissy Spacek in "Carrie." 905 00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:08,053 Sigourney Weaver. 906 00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:10,920 Alice, all of a sudden, is the sole survivor. 907 00:42:11,161 --> 00:42:13,925 And I believe it was a direct reflection 908 00:42:14,164 --> 00:42:16,689 of what was going on in the world. 909 00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:20,927 And I think "Friday the 1 3th" really empowered women. 910 00:42:21,171 --> 00:42:23,139 So after "Friday the 1 3th" was released, 911 00:42:23,574 --> 00:42:26,509 there spawned a whole new industry 912 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:30,180 of teenage horror films based on holidays, 913 00:42:30,614 --> 00:42:32,206 or based on a serial killer, 914 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:34,515 based on very low budgets and low writing. 915 00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:39,086 Strangely enough, I think that people often sort of imitated 916 00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:42,156 my mistakes rather than the stuff that I got right. 917 00:42:42,593 --> 00:42:44,891 Well, "Friday the 1 3th" was the greatest experience for me 918 00:42:45,129 --> 00:42:47,996 up until the point of after it opening. 919 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:49,961 It was huge. It was fabulous. 920 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,065 It was an actor's dream come true. 921 00:42:52,303 --> 00:42:53,895 It certainly was for me. 922 00:42:54,138 --> 00:42:58,040 And then, slowly I realized I had a stalker. 923 00:42:58,275 --> 00:43:01,301 Stalking was not taken seriously back in 1 980. 924 00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:05,078 And it wasn't, it wasn't something 925 00:43:05,316 --> 00:43:07,284 that everyone was aware of. 926 00:43:07,718 --> 00:43:10,186 I was starting to get phone calls back then, 927 00:43:10,621 --> 00:43:11,815 it was so easy to get phone numbers. 928 00:43:12,056 --> 00:43:13,819 He, he got into my apartment. 929 00:43:14,058 --> 00:43:17,289 For over a year, I didn't know who my stalker was 930 00:43:17,728 --> 00:43:19,787 and what happened was, he befriended me, 931 00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:21,998 he actually worked his way into my life 932 00:43:22,232 --> 00:43:24,132 so I was actually giving him information 933 00:43:24,368 --> 00:43:26,996 about my stalker. 934 00:43:27,237 --> 00:43:30,138 I had an ordeal with him up close at one point, 935 00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:32,638 which in itself, is a horror movie. 936 00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:37,074 Eventually, I had a gun to my head. 937 00:43:37,314 --> 00:43:42,274 And I was able to talk the fan down. 938 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,779 It really took its toll for a while. 939 00:43:45,022 --> 00:43:47,684 But, it's all okay now. It's all good now. 940 00:43:47,925 --> 00:43:50,291 And having three generations of fans 941 00:43:50,728 --> 00:43:54,721 from around the world that fly in to wherever I am, 942 00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:56,159 at a city or a convention, 943 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,766 that really talk to me and care, 944 00:43:59,003 --> 00:44:00,061 and tell me how much it affected them 945 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:01,828 when they found out. 946 00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:04,666 It's just a gift. It's a beautiful thing. 947 00:44:04,908 --> 00:44:07,376 And, I thank them. 948 00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:10,803 I've turned around my thinking about it. 949 00:44:11,048 --> 00:44:13,744 I think it worked out just the way it was supposed to. 950 00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:16,885 And I have never felt that I damaged my career. 951 00:44:17,121 --> 00:44:20,386 If anything, there are people that would never know I existed. 952 00:44:20,824 --> 00:44:24,055 We had this tiny little movie that cost $500,000, 953 00:44:24,294 --> 00:44:26,888 made in a boy scout camp in New Jersey. 954 00:44:27,131 --> 00:44:31,090 I (laughs) just cannot imagine how we got here from there. 955 00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:34,668 It kind of launched the whole mythology. 956 00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:43,180 And it wasn't by accident, but it was kind of good fortune. 957 00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:56,651 And it wasn't by accident, but it was kind of good fortune. 958 00:44:56,894 --> 00:44:59,055 By the end of 1 980, Friday the 1 3th 959 00:44:59,296 --> 00:45:01,161 had already unleashed a slew of imitators, 960 00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:02,956 throwing open the floodgates 961 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,861 for fledgling independent distributors 962 00:45:05,102 --> 00:45:07,093 and major Hollywood studios 963 00:45:07,337 --> 00:45:10,363 Iooking to cash in on the new slasher film craze. 964 00:45:10,808 --> 00:45:13,242 With each film seemingly made faster, 965 00:45:13,477 --> 00:45:15,445 cheaper and gorier than the last. 966 00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:18,370 With Paramount Pictures pushing for a sequel, 967 00:45:18,816 --> 00:45:20,875 Sean S. Cunningham grappled with the question 968 00:45:21,118 --> 00:45:23,313 of what to do when virtually the entire cast 969 00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:26,154 of your film and its villain - are dead. 970 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:29,985 So, now this phenomenon takes place, 971 00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:31,990 and 'Friday the 1 3th' opens around the world, 972 00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,287 and it's a big hit. 973 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:34,959 And the powers that be said, 974 00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:36,427 We have to make a sequel. 975 00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:40,268 And I'm saying, Why would you make a sequel?. 976 00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:42,165 I didn't think there was going to be any others 977 00:45:42,406 --> 00:45:44,271 after the first one. 978 00:45:44,508 --> 00:45:46,772 We were never led to believe that. 979 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,272 Mrs. Voorhees is dead, 980 00:45:48,512 --> 00:45:50,309 and the image of Jason in the lake 981 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,741 is completely a fabrication of the mind. 982 00:45:54,985 --> 00:45:56,714 I don't know what in the world we could do for a sequel. 983 00:45:56,954 --> 00:45:58,819 Let me make one thing totally clear: 984 00:45:59,056 --> 00:46:00,887 at the beginning of my movie 985 00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:04,185 Jason is dead. There's no two ways about it. 986 00:46:04,428 --> 00:46:07,454 Jason is totally, unalterably dead. 987 00:46:07,898 --> 00:46:09,957 They offer me Part 2, and then I got the script, 988 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,134 and Jason is running around. 989 00:46:12,369 --> 00:46:14,428 I thought, What are you doing?. There is no Jason?. 990 00:46:14,872 --> 00:46:15,770 You know, the mother is the killer. 991 00:46:16,006 --> 00:46:17,166 Jason was the kid that drowned in the lake. 992 00:46:17,407 --> 00:46:18,806 Oh oh, we're going to change all that. 993 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:21,875 Well, they never did. So I chose something else. 994 00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:23,340 I chose "The Burning, which is sort of a rip off 995 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,112 of 'Friday the 13th." 996 00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:27,078 I understand that it would be very expensive 997 00:46:27,317 --> 00:46:29,842 to bring Mrs. Voorhees back to life, 998 00:46:30,087 --> 00:46:31,281 especially after we cut off her head. 999 00:46:31,522 --> 00:46:33,353 So, we had to go somewhere, and of course 1000 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,053 Jason was the most logical place to go. 1001 00:46:35,292 --> 00:46:37,760 Part 2 was basically his journey 1002 00:46:37,995 --> 00:46:41,226 of seeking revenge of the death of his mother. 1003 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,832 And that's a very basic foundation of storytelling. 1004 00:46:45,068 --> 00:46:48,834 Legend has it that Jason saw his mother beheaded that night. 1005 00:46:49,072 --> 00:46:51,802 If you try to track that on any kind of a timeline, 1006 00:46:52,042 --> 00:46:53,339 it makes no sense whatsoever. 1007 00:46:53,577 --> 00:46:56,978 He just shows up some X number of years later. 1008 00:46:57,214 --> 00:47:00,945 And I don't know if I'd want to try 1009 00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:02,277 to fill in the blanks of what happened 1010 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:04,282 in between all those years. 1011 00:47:04,521 --> 00:47:06,284 If you listen to the old-timers in town, 1012 00:47:06,523 --> 00:47:07,080 they'll tell you he's still out there. 1013 00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:09,792 He didn't drown in the lake. 1014 00:47:10,027 --> 00:47:11,289 The mother thought he drowned in the lake. 1015 00:47:11,528 --> 00:47:13,120 So what happened to this child?. He was young. 1016 00:47:13,363 --> 00:47:15,888 He kind of found a way to survive, 1017 00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:17,122 and he grew up in the woods. 1018 00:47:17,367 --> 00:47:19,096 Surviving any way he can. 1019 00:47:19,336 --> 00:47:20,963 So what is he?. 1020 00:47:21,205 --> 00:47:23,230 Is he living off crayfish by the pond for 35 years 1021 00:47:23,473 --> 00:47:24,872 and nobody saw this weird kid out there, you know?. 1022 00:47:25,108 --> 00:47:27,167 The first film was obviously a thriller. 1023 00:47:27,411 --> 00:47:29,174 It was, you know, almost a murder mystery. 1024 00:47:29,413 --> 00:47:32,143 Who's doing all this killing and why?. 1025 00:47:32,382 --> 00:47:35,840 Oh, my sweet, innocent Jason 1026 00:47:36,086 --> 00:47:39,021 So the notion of having a surprise 1027 00:47:39,256 --> 00:47:41,156 as to who it is, or what it is, changed completely. 1028 00:47:41,391 --> 00:47:44,087 So, what the stories became 1029 00:47:44,328 --> 00:47:47,229 was sort of a ritualized telling 1030 00:47:47,464 --> 00:47:50,228 of a group of young people who go someplace 1031 00:47:50,467 --> 00:47:52,025 where they shouldn't go. 1032 00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:54,032 You change the characters a little bit, 1033 00:47:54,271 --> 00:47:57,968 but it stayed inside of a very deliberate form. 1034 00:47:58,208 --> 00:48:00,176 While Cunningham ultimately went on 1035 00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:01,536 to pursue other projects, 1036 00:48:01,979 --> 00:48:03,879 including "A Stranger is Watching," 1037 00:48:04,114 --> 00:48:06,082 "Spring Break" and "Deep Star Six," 1038 00:48:06,316 --> 00:48:09,114 his 29-year-old prot�g�, Steve Miner, 1039 00:48:09,353 --> 00:48:11,184 was given his first feature directing assignment 1040 00:48:11,421 --> 00:48:13,889 on 'Friday the 1 3th, Part 2." 1041 00:48:14,124 --> 00:48:16,888 Steve Miner was definitely up for 1042 00:48:17,127 --> 00:48:19,061 'Friday the 13th' Part 2, for directing it. 1043 00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:21,321 He and probably with Sean's help, cast it. 1044 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:23,999 They found the location. 1045 00:48:24,234 --> 00:48:26,896 They did all the preliminary work on the show. 1046 00:48:27,137 --> 00:48:30,106 And I know that he was involved with some of the writing of it. 1047 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:32,570 Steve had been around all of us for many years 1048 00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:33,635 so thathe actually was so young at the time, 1049 00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:35,408 they called him 'The Kid'. 1050 00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:37,511 That was his nickname. 1051 00:48:37,948 --> 00:48:40,576 By the end of September 1 980, a mere four months 1052 00:48:41,018 --> 00:48:42,952 after the release of the original film, 1053 00:48:43,186 --> 00:48:44,915 Steve Miner and his crew were already back in production 1054 00:48:45,155 --> 00:48:47,248 with 'Friday the 1 3th Part 2. 1055 00:48:47,491 --> 00:48:49,391 Code-named Jason. 1056 00:48:49,626 --> 00:48:51,594 New to the team was 22-year-old 1057 00:48:52,029 --> 00:48:53,553 Frank Mancuso Jr., 1058 00:48:53,997 --> 00:48:55,624 who would become the driving force 1059 00:48:56,066 --> 00:48:59,331 behind the 'Friday the 1 3th' franchise 1060 00:48:59,569 --> 00:49:02,561 Frank Mancuso, Jr. called me up before the show, 1061 00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:04,439 and said that he was going to come down 1062 00:49:04,675 --> 00:49:05,937 and be a P.A. on the movie. 1063 00:49:06,176 --> 00:49:07,404 I knew, of course, by this time 1064 00:49:07,644 --> 00:49:09,544 his father was the president of Paramount Pictures. 1065 00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:13,916 I got involved in "Part 2" when I was just graduating college. 1066 00:49:14,151 --> 00:49:16,517 And my dad knew the guys from Boston, 1067 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:18,683 Phil Scuderi and Bob Barsamian, 1068 00:49:19,122 --> 00:49:20,646 who sort of initiated the first movie. 1069 00:49:21,091 --> 00:49:23,355 He, you know, went to work with us 1070 00:49:23,593 --> 00:49:24,082 and was treated like a member of the crew, 1071 00:49:24,328 --> 00:49:25,920 became a member of the crew. 1072 00:49:26,163 --> 00:49:29,530 Those kinds of experiences I really feel helped, you know, 1073 00:49:29,967 --> 00:49:32,435 kind of form what I became as far as having, you know, 1074 00:49:32,669 --> 00:49:34,068 a keen understanding of what everybody does, 1075 00:49:34,304 --> 00:49:36,238 how they do it. 1076 00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:38,202 And he was really just there to learn, I think. 1077 00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:41,138 And that's how it started. He quickly caught on. 1078 00:49:41,378 --> 00:49:43,573 And a couple of the people 1079 00:49:44,014 --> 00:49:46,346 that were above the line weren't working out 1080 00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:47,675 so they were getting rid of some of those people, 1081 00:49:48,118 --> 00:49:49,483 so I kept on, like moving up the food chain 1082 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,086 kind of strangely. 1083 00:49:52,322 --> 00:49:54,517 And I think that that can only happen on that kind of a movie. 1084 00:49:54,758 --> 00:49:57,591 "Part 2" picks up two months after the events of "Part 1," 1085 00:49:58,028 --> 00:50:01,088 with an extended prologue that would see the return 1086 00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:05,427 and the demise of the original film's traumatized final girl. 1087 00:50:05,669 --> 00:50:09,298 The fans have told me at convention after convention 1088 00:50:09,539 --> 00:50:13,373 that they felt, quote-unquote, ripped off 1089 00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:14,201 about the way Alice died in "Part 2." 1090 00:50:14,444 --> 00:50:16,412 I do, too. 1091 00:50:16,646 --> 00:50:18,341 I mean she was such a tough cookie in "Part 1," 1092 00:50:18,582 --> 00:50:20,573 and then (throat cutting sound). 1093 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,646 That was pretty much a necessity. 1094 00:50:24,087 --> 00:50:27,750 I think originally she had been approached to star in "Part 2," 1095 00:50:28,191 --> 00:50:30,159 but her agent, as I understand it, 1096 00:50:30,394 --> 00:50:32,225 just wanted too much money. 1097 00:50:32,462 --> 00:50:36,262 So, she was basically written out. 1098 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,764 Honestly, when I got on the set that weekend, 1099 00:50:39,202 --> 00:50:40,726 I didn't know it was over for Alice until I got there. 1100 00:50:41,171 --> 00:50:42,729 So, surprise! 1101 00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:44,697 They never gave me a script for "Part 2." 1102 00:50:45,142 --> 00:50:47,167 They said, 'Oh, it's just gonna be improv.' 1103 00:50:47,411 --> 00:50:48,309 I'm not kidding you. This is how it happened. 1104 00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:50,069 They, 'Slam-bam-thank you, ma'am?. ' 1105 00:50:50,313 --> 00:50:51,473 Roll around on the bed for a while. 1106 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,546 Intercut. Okay, go to the door, 1107 00:50:53,784 --> 00:50:56,275 that whole phone conversation... 1108 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,681 I just have to put my life back together, 1109 00:50:59,122 --> 00:51:00,350 and this is the only way I know how! 1110 00:51:00,590 --> 00:51:03,753 Not scripted. All improv. All improv. 1111 00:51:04,194 --> 00:51:06,594 After Alice's discovery 1112 00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:09,060 of Mrs. Voorhees' decomposing head in her refrigerator, 1113 00:51:09,299 --> 00:51:11,267 she is confronted by the vengeful, and fully-grown, 1114 00:51:11,501 --> 00:51:13,230 Jason. 1115 00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:14,664 I shot that scene in one night. 1116 00:51:15,105 --> 00:51:17,437 And it was a prop man I met, 1117 00:51:17,674 --> 00:51:20,370 one who didn't check his props. 1118 00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:23,306 And so the first time the ice pick went into my temple, 1119 00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:25,538 it did not retract. 1120 00:51:25,782 --> 00:51:28,580 Yikes! 1121 00:51:28,819 --> 00:51:30,616 After an explosive main title sequence, 1122 00:51:30,854 --> 00:51:33,049 the story jumps ahead five years in time 1123 00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:37,056 as another group of unwary counselors 1124 00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:38,625 arrives at Crystal Lake to open a new summer camp 1125 00:51:38,862 --> 00:51:41,831 headed by the enterprising Paul Holt. 1126 00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:43,789 I'm also sure there's one thing I don't have to tell any of you. 1127 00:51:44,234 --> 00:51:45,826 Being a counselor isn't the gravy summer job 1128 00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:48,134 everybody thinks it is. 1129 00:51:48,371 --> 00:51:50,168 And I was a little older than everybody 1130 00:51:50,407 --> 00:51:51,567 because I was the head camp counselor. 1131 00:51:51,808 --> 00:51:53,605 He, you know, thought he was somewhat older, 1132 00:51:53,844 --> 00:51:55,368 and knew more than these people, 1133 00:51:55,612 --> 00:51:59,241 he was a little prissy and stuffy or something. 1134 00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:00,472 You know I thought that would be kind of a funny thing to do 1135 00:52:00,717 --> 00:52:02,651 with the character. 1136 00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:05,252 Assisting Paul is the spunky and intelligent Ginny. 1137 00:52:05,489 --> 00:52:08,856 Who would become one of the most memorable 1138 00:52:09,292 --> 00:52:10,850 and well-regarded characters in the 'Friday the 1 3th' series. 1139 00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:13,854 To know that I did one of these films 1140 00:52:14,297 --> 00:52:16,458 where they get all these women in that are so vulnerable, 1141 00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,100 and to be the one that people think was strong 1142 00:52:19,336 --> 00:52:22,271 and intelligent, it just, it feels good. 1143 00:52:22,506 --> 00:52:26,101 There's always the last damsel in distress 1144 00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,641 who, you know, summons up the courage 1145 00:52:28,879 --> 00:52:30,506 to fight back. 1146 00:52:30,747 --> 00:52:32,806 And then I guess with my character, 1147 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:35,514 it was pretty great because somebody who was strong enough 1148 00:52:35,752 --> 00:52:37,549 to fight back and kind of stay present 1149 00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:39,721 in the face of danger. 1150 00:52:40,157 --> 00:52:41,749 And I was so young that I didn't create 1151 00:52:42,192 --> 00:52:44,387 a whole other life 1152 00:52:44,628 --> 00:52:45,720 'cause I think that what was really called for 1153 00:52:46,163 --> 00:52:48,893 was exactly who you were as a person, 1154 00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:50,697 to bring that to screen. 1155 00:52:50,934 --> 00:52:52,561 Her character was written for her, 1156 00:52:52,802 --> 00:52:54,793 and it was written well. 1157 00:52:55,238 --> 00:52:56,603 She was very, very well liked on the crew as well. 1158 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,571 Amy slept with everybody in the entire crew, 1159 00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:02,835 the actors and most of the people in Kent. 1160 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,679 I'm just kidding. 1161 00:53:04,915 --> 00:53:06,143 Well, there's something about the chemistry 1162 00:53:06,383 --> 00:53:08,408 that we both have a very similar sense of humor. 1163 00:53:08,652 --> 00:53:10,711 It's a little bit sarcastic. 1164 00:53:10,954 --> 00:53:12,922 (laughs) So we could look at each other and kind of laugh. 1165 00:53:13,356 --> 00:53:15,256 I think that's why it might have worked. 1166 00:53:15,492 --> 00:53:16,151 PAUL: Ginny, I was starting to worry about you. 1167 00:53:16,393 --> 00:53:17,826 GlNNY: Bullshit, Paul.' 1168 00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:21,560 We actually stayed in a camp 1169 00:53:21,798 --> 00:53:26,565 that was no longer in use because the season had passed. 1170 00:53:26,803 --> 00:53:27,735 So we were in these big barracks. 1171 00:53:27,971 --> 00:53:29,700 I mean, it was insane. 1172 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:31,737 Basically, it was a children's camp, 1173 00:53:31,975 --> 00:53:33,237 and we wanted to keep it that way. 1174 00:53:33,476 --> 00:53:36,536 We didn't want anything to stand between 1175 00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:39,271 the good feelings that people had about the children 1176 00:53:39,516 --> 00:53:41,882 and a healthy environment, which was a little bit different 1177 00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,446 than the Jason environment. 1178 00:53:44,688 --> 00:53:46,280 It was cold. Everybody had heaters and stuff. 1179 00:53:46,523 --> 00:53:48,582 And it was pretty basic. 1180 00:53:48,825 --> 00:53:52,420 It was like living at night for two months. 1181 00:53:52,662 --> 00:53:55,187 You just start getting kind of creeped out. 1182 00:53:55,432 --> 00:53:57,593 You know, everything looks so calm down here. 1183 00:53:57,834 --> 00:53:59,699 I'm looking pretty closely, I don't know, 1184 00:53:59,936 --> 00:54:02,871 it would be amazing if all of a sudden Jason just popped out. 1185 00:54:03,306 --> 00:54:05,365 They weren't sure which role they wanted me to play, 1186 00:54:05,609 --> 00:54:08,476 so I wound up auditioning but I think there was a point 1187 00:54:08,712 --> 00:54:09,838 where Steve said, 'Hey Stu, tell a joke.' 1188 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,645 I did, I told a joke. 1189 00:54:11,881 --> 00:54:13,314 They wound up, in the movie, using jokes 1190 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:15,541 that I had invented like this 1191 00:54:15,785 --> 00:54:16,274 TED: 'What's brown and sits on a piano?. ' 1192 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:18,248 VlCKlE: 'Your face.' 1193 00:54:18,488 --> 00:54:21,389 TED: 'Beethoven's last movement.' 1194 00:54:21,625 --> 00:54:23,991 There was a sign on the side of the road 1195 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:25,485 in the beginning of the movie, 1196 00:54:25,729 --> 00:54:28,892 but we do have that sign as a remembrance 1197 00:54:29,332 --> 00:54:30,993 of that particular scene. 1198 00:54:31,434 --> 00:54:34,335 We come back to Crystal Lake to open up this camp again, 1199 00:54:34,571 --> 00:54:35,902 I thought all of us would have been smart enough 1200 00:54:36,339 --> 00:54:37,636 not to go back to a place like that, 1201 00:54:37,874 --> 00:54:39,899 but here we are going back to a place 1202 00:54:40,343 --> 00:54:41,833 where all these people were murdered. 1203 00:54:42,279 --> 00:54:42,973 The first night that we're there and everybody's gathered, 1204 00:54:43,413 --> 00:54:46,348 and everybody's made it to the camp, 1205 00:54:46,583 --> 00:54:48,744 Paul Holt basically scares the shit out of everybody. 1206 00:54:48,985 --> 00:54:53,615 I don't want to scare anyone... 1207 00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:56,519 but I'm gonna give it to you straight about Jason. 1208 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,991 I had never been to a camp in the country, 1209 00:55:00,430 --> 00:55:03,661 so while he's doing that monologue, 1210 00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,959 Iittle Lauren-Marie Taylor is thinking inside her head, 1211 00:55:06,403 --> 00:55:08,963 Ahhh! -- For real. 1212 00:55:09,406 --> 00:55:13,399 I thought that John did a great job of, you know, 1213 00:55:13,643 --> 00:55:15,975 kind of, in the scene, of building the tension, 1214 00:55:16,413 --> 00:55:18,779 you know, then to break with Ted, you know, 1215 00:55:19,015 --> 00:55:20,778 jumping out and scaring everybody. 1216 00:55:21,017 --> 00:55:24,509 [Ted howls and Group Screaming] 1217 00:55:24,754 --> 00:55:25,413 And we just think it's going to be a regular summer, 1218 00:55:25,655 --> 00:55:27,646 the kids are going to arrive. 1219 00:55:27,891 --> 00:55:30,917 And then these horrible, horrible things start happening. 1220 00:55:31,361 --> 00:55:33,921 And one by one Jason Voorhees kills us 1221 00:55:34,364 --> 00:55:36,332 and continues to do what he does best. 1222 00:55:36,566 --> 00:55:38,830 With the departure of gore wizard Tom Savini, 1223 00:55:39,069 --> 00:55:41,765 another renowned Hollywood special effects artist, 1224 00:55:42,005 --> 00:55:43,734 the late Stan Winston, was initially brought on 1225 00:55:43,973 --> 00:55:45,770 to create the film's bloody set pieces. 1226 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:49,445 Due to scheduling conflicts, however, 1227 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,045 Winston was forced to drop out of the project, 1228 00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:55,315 handing his duties over to up-and-coming 1229 00:55:55,552 --> 00:55:57,076 special make-up effects designer, Carl Fullerton. 1230 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,751 But a key casting decision still needed to be made. 1231 00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,359 Who would play murderous mama's boy Jason Voorhees?. 1232 00:56:05,595 --> 00:56:07,825 That question would, like the character himself, 1233 00:56:08,064 --> 00:56:10,396 grow into the stuff of legend. 1234 00:56:10,633 --> 00:56:12,692 They give me a black script. 1235 00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:15,063 It said "Jason" on the front of it. 1236 00:56:15,505 --> 00:56:18,099 'Well, we like you, you know, for this counselor role.' 1237 00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:21,476 I guess this was the role that ultimately John Furey got. 1238 00:56:21,711 --> 00:56:23,474 And so then they said, 'Well, would you like to be Jason?. ' 1239 00:56:23,713 --> 00:56:26,773 Well, sure, yeah (laughs), 1240 00:56:27,016 --> 00:56:28,483 I'd love to do anything you want me to do. 1241 00:56:28,718 --> 00:56:29,946 I could never figure out the deal with Jason. 1242 00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:32,480 They had a guy for a while. 1243 00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:33,984 I believe his name was Warrington. 1244 00:56:34,424 --> 00:56:37,120 And then he didn't seem to like doing it, 1245 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,824 or he didn't want to do stunts or something. 1246 00:56:40,063 --> 00:56:41,052 And then, he didn't stay for the whole movie 1247 00:56:41,498 --> 00:56:43,693 I got a call from Cliff Cudney, 1248 00:56:43,933 --> 00:56:45,025 who happened to be the stunt coordinator 1249 00:56:45,468 --> 00:56:46,901 on 'Friday the 1 3th 2," 1250 00:56:47,137 --> 00:56:48,934 and he had called me and said, 1251 00:56:49,172 --> 00:56:51,037 'Listen, I'm up here in Connecticut doing this film, 1252 00:56:51,474 --> 00:56:53,738 and the guy that they hired to play Jason 1253 00:56:53,977 --> 00:56:57,640 can't do his own stunts. We got big problems.' 1254 00:56:57,881 --> 00:56:59,007 He says, 'Can you get up to Kent, Connecticut?. ' 1255 00:56:59,449 --> 00:57:01,041 I know that the rest of us on set, 1256 00:57:01,484 --> 00:57:05,716 we knew that there was stuff going on about Warrington 1257 00:57:05,955 --> 00:57:07,786 and Steve and in terms of who was doing what. 1258 00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:09,491 If you had asked me who was Jason, 1259 00:57:09,726 --> 00:57:11,557 I would have said Warrington. 1260 00:57:11,795 --> 00:57:13,456 Warrington Gillette was my Jason Voorhees. 1261 00:57:13,696 --> 00:57:16,631 He got all the hoopla, you know, 1262 00:57:16,866 --> 00:57:18,163 for everything that I did. 1263 00:57:18,601 --> 00:57:20,000 Cliff Cudney, the stunt coordinator, said to me, 1264 00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:21,836 'You're the guy that was the Jason. 1265 00:57:22,071 --> 00:57:24,505 Tell your story. You did all the work. 1266 00:57:24,741 --> 00:57:27,039 Ironically, neither actor played Jason the first time 1267 00:57:27,477 --> 00:57:28,808 the character appears on screen. 1268 00:57:29,045 --> 00:57:30,945 For the film's moody opening, 1269 00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:33,046 Jason was played, for the first and only time 1270 00:57:33,483 --> 00:57:35,110 in the series' history by a woman-- 1271 00:57:35,552 --> 00:57:37,645 costume designer Ellen Lutter. 1272 00:57:37,887 --> 00:57:39,821 It also fell to Lutter to come up with a disguise 1273 00:57:40,056 --> 00:57:41,853 for the hideously-deformed Jason. 1274 00:57:42,091 --> 00:57:45,618 One that could only be called a first step 1275 00:57:45,862 --> 00:57:48,797 in the evolution of one of horror's most iconic faces. 1276 00:57:49,032 --> 00:57:53,196 It was through Steve, I remember him and Sean 1277 00:57:53,636 --> 00:57:55,433 having these talks up in Sean's office 1278 00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:57,003 and coming up with designs 1279 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,801 for you know "Part 2" with that canvas bag. 1280 00:58:01,044 --> 00:58:04,502 Instead of using an ugly face or an ugly mask for Jason, 1281 00:58:04,747 --> 00:58:06,510 he would just cover it completely 1282 00:58:06,749 --> 00:58:09,513 in a sack or a bandage, or whatever. 1283 00:58:09,752 --> 00:58:13,745 And everybody in the audience would have their own images 1284 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:15,787 of what is the most horrible person they can think of. 1285 00:58:16,025 --> 00:58:17,652 And it worked pretty well. 1286 00:58:17,894 --> 00:58:19,885 The movie, "The Town that Dreaded Sundown" 1287 00:58:20,129 --> 00:58:22,859 had a serial killer wearing a potato sack, 1288 00:58:23,099 --> 00:58:25,499 and so I think that could have been, you know, 1289 00:58:25,735 --> 00:58:28,465 an idea that was definitely well utilized. 1290 00:58:28,705 --> 00:58:29,933 The costume designer was the one that brought us 1291 00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:31,868 the pillowcase to cover Jason. 1292 00:58:32,108 --> 00:58:33,473 I didn't like it at the time. 1293 00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:35,143 But, I know why it was chosen. 1294 00:58:35,578 --> 00:58:36,510 It was chosen because it was an artifact 1295 00:58:36,746 --> 00:58:38,646 that was readily available. 1296 00:58:38,882 --> 00:58:40,975 That was the bridge to the hockey mask, 1297 00:58:41,217 --> 00:58:43,685 which became the icon, and it was a great icon. 1298 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,821 Once I put the bag over my head, and I ran in the woods, 1299 00:58:47,056 --> 00:58:48,580 I couldn't see anything 'cause the bag flopped 1300 00:58:48,825 --> 00:58:50,053 back and forth. 1301 00:58:50,293 --> 00:58:52,693 We'll put double face tape, 1302 00:58:52,929 --> 00:58:54,863 and we'll hold it right close to your eye. 1303 00:58:55,098 --> 00:58:55,928 This way you'll see where you're going. 1304 00:58:56,165 --> 00:58:59,134 And it worked marvelously. It was terrific. 1305 00:58:59,569 --> 00:59:02,265 But to me, you know, the real talent came in 1306 00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:04,730 with Carl Fullerton trying to create this face 1307 00:59:04,974 --> 00:59:08,068 that was pretty pretty intense. 1308 00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:10,211 And yeah, you would get in the makeup chair at noon 1309 00:59:10,647 --> 00:59:12,877 they'd be ready to go at seven. 1310 00:59:13,116 --> 00:59:15,277 So it's a process. 1311 00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:18,278 Another notable character from the first film 1312 00:59:18,721 --> 00:59:21,246 would also meet an untimely and early demise in "Part 2." 1313 00:59:21,691 --> 00:59:24,888 I told the others. They didn't believe me. 1314 00:59:25,128 --> 00:59:27,824 Walt Gorney was just there for a very short time 1315 00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:29,793 at the beginning of the movie, 1316 00:59:30,033 --> 00:59:31,967 and at the beginning of our production. 1317 00:59:32,201 --> 00:59:35,136 I'd say near, between the American flag 1318 00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:38,097 and that stop sign, 1319 00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:39,706 that's where they had the phone booth. 1320 00:59:39,943 --> 00:59:43,003 And the actor came riding through on a bicycle 1321 00:59:43,246 --> 00:59:45,305 when they were in the phone booth, and said, 1322 00:59:45,748 --> 00:59:48,581 'You are all Doomed!' 1323 00:59:48,818 --> 00:59:50,217 You're all doomed. 1324 00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:52,848 Amazing guy. 1325 00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:56,183 I remember Walt being sort of quiet, but very, very nice. 1326 00:59:56,626 --> 00:59:57,752 Veryand very, very kind of elegant. 1327 00:59:57,994 --> 00:59:59,655 A really good actor. 1328 00:59:59,896 --> 01:00:00,794 It was interesting, when they did set up that booth 1329 01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:03,191 in New Preston, 1330 01:00:03,633 --> 01:00:06,227 they took a break for lunch, and while they were eating lunch, 1331 01:00:06,669 --> 01:00:08,728 two young girls came and they tried to use the telephone. 1332 01:00:08,972 --> 01:00:11,065 And of course, it was a dummy phone, 1333 01:00:11,307 --> 01:00:12,103 and everyone was just hysterical watching them 1334 01:00:12,342 --> 01:00:13,900 trying to use it and coming out angry. 1335 01:00:14,143 --> 01:00:16,703 Crazy Ralph was choked. 1336 01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:18,072 He was, I believe, the first death 1337 01:00:18,314 --> 01:00:19,713 in 'Friday the 1 3th' Part 2. 1338 01:00:19,949 --> 01:00:22,179 Yeah, yeah, I killed Ralph with a garrote and a thin wire 1339 01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:26,077 and you take his head like that. 1340 01:00:26,322 --> 01:00:27,880 What are you kids doin' out here?. 1341 01:00:28,124 --> 01:00:30,251 I'm proud to be known as Deputy Winslow. 1342 01:00:30,693 --> 01:00:33,287 In the original script, I wasn't named. 1343 01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:36,221 I was just kind of an officer of the law. 1344 01:00:36,666 --> 01:00:39,191 But in the book that followed, I was given a name, 1345 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:41,900 and the name was Winslow. 1346 01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:45,369 An interesting anecdote is that I was hired as this cop. 1347 01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:48,368 And I had to drive a police car. 1348 01:00:48,811 --> 01:00:50,711 Now, I've never driven a car in my life, 1349 01:00:50,947 --> 01:00:53,347 before or since. 1350 01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:57,184 And for a time they were giving me some lessons, 1351 01:00:57,420 --> 01:01:00,321 and I almost killed more people than Jason. 1352 01:01:00,757 --> 01:01:04,215 Now if you were a policeman, and you were doing your job 1353 01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:07,687 and you came driving down the road here, 1354 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:10,660 and you saw a shape rush across the road into the woods, 1355 01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:14,063 you probably would do 1356 01:01:14,303 --> 01:01:16,237 what that policeman in 'Friday the 1 3th' Part 2 did. 1357 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:19,141 He pulled over, got out of the car and ran into the woods, 1358 01:01:19,375 --> 01:01:21,639 chasing the figure. 1359 01:01:21,878 --> 01:01:25,143 Unfortunately, the results weren't so good to him. 1360 01:01:25,381 --> 01:01:27,872 In shooting that death scene, Jason has this hammer. 1361 01:01:28,117 --> 01:01:30,142 The claw end of the hammer 1362 01:01:30,386 --> 01:01:32,320 went right in the back of the cop's head. 1363 01:01:32,755 --> 01:01:33,722 Before we started to shoot, 1364 01:01:33,956 --> 01:01:37,392 I went to this make-up place 1365 01:01:37,827 --> 01:01:39,795 and they made this exact replica of me. 1366 01:01:40,029 --> 01:01:42,054 And they put some blood bags in there, 1367 01:01:42,298 --> 01:01:44,391 and they were gonna smack me in the head and (raspberry) 1368 01:01:44,834 --> 01:01:45,766 everything was gonna go like that, 1369 01:01:46,002 --> 01:01:47,970 and they never used it. 1370 01:01:48,204 --> 01:01:50,968 It intrigued me that we killed Walt and the sheriff so early. 1371 01:01:51,207 --> 01:01:54,699 And I think it was just to remove any possibility 1372 01:01:54,944 --> 01:01:57,879 that the cavalry would come over the hill and save the campers. 1373 01:01:58,114 --> 01:02:00,207 So you knew that they were in jeopardy, 1374 01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:02,179 and that there was just no turning back, or no help 1375 01:02:02,418 --> 01:02:04,909 from the outside going to come. 1376 01:02:05,154 --> 01:02:07,418 So there I was, sitting in this fast food joint. 1377 01:02:07,857 --> 01:02:10,223 I think that Muffin was, 1378 01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:12,291 I don't know if it was someone's personal dog, 1379 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:15,698 or it was actually a trained performing dog. 1380 01:02:15,932 --> 01:02:17,456 It was very likable, very friendly. 1381 01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:20,300 I think it actually got its name above my name 1382 01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:21,704 in the credits. 1383 01:02:21,938 --> 01:02:22,700 Do you want to dance?. 1384 01:02:22,939 --> 01:02:24,338 No, thank you. 1385 01:02:24,774 --> 01:02:25,934 My character, you know, was just striking out 1386 01:02:26,175 --> 01:02:28,143 with women and with the girl he was after. 1387 01:02:28,377 --> 01:02:31,312 But the dog, she showed me a lot of love in that movie. 1388 01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:34,114 One of the cuts that I love from 'Friday the 1 3th Part 2," 1389 01:02:34,350 --> 01:02:35,977 is the camera is on the dog and all of a sudden 1390 01:02:36,219 --> 01:02:38,813 it cuts to hot dogs on a barbeque grill. 1391 01:02:39,055 --> 01:02:40,886 And it's just funny, and Steve is like that. 1392 01:02:41,124 --> 01:02:43,149 He has a sort of like a very wry sense of humor. 1393 01:02:43,392 --> 01:02:45,189 Well, I think that if Muffin was still around, 1394 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:47,953 you know, we probably would have stayed together 1395 01:02:48,197 --> 01:02:51,223 and but I don't want to get too specific about that. (laughs) 1396 01:02:51,467 --> 01:02:53,094 One of the actresses went swimming in the nude, 1397 01:02:53,336 --> 01:02:56,100 and of course that was a big talk in the group, 1398 01:02:56,339 --> 01:02:58,034 and everybody volunteered to come there 1399 01:02:58,274 --> 01:02:59,901 and help with the scene. 1400 01:03:00,143 --> 01:03:02,168 They were looking for a towel boy. 1401 01:03:02,411 --> 01:03:04,174 Somebody who would wrap towels around, 1402 01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:06,472 I believe it was Kristen 1403 01:03:06,916 --> 01:03:08,247 who would come out of the water in the nude, 1404 01:03:08,484 --> 01:03:10,509 and everybody volunteered. 1405 01:03:10,953 --> 01:03:12,944 Looking for something?. 1406 01:03:13,189 --> 01:03:15,817 I was so innocent. You know, I don't know why I was killed. 1407 01:03:16,058 --> 01:03:18,322 I don't know why Jason had it in for me. It's crazy. 1408 01:03:18,561 --> 01:03:19,994 My mother calls me the night before and she goes, 1409 01:03:20,229 --> 01:03:21,355 'Do you die today in the movie?. ' 1410 01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:23,459 I go, 'Yeah.' 1411 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:25,390 She goes, 'Why are they save that to the very end?. 1412 01:03:25,835 --> 01:03:26,927 Is this a snuff movie?. Are they going to kill you??' 1413 01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:27,795 I said, 'No, I don't think so, mom. 1414 01:03:28,037 --> 01:03:29,368 This is Paramount.' 1415 01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:31,865 The snare was attached to a sapling tree. 1416 01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:35,043 And when he cut the rope on the sapling tree, 1417 01:03:35,278 --> 01:03:39,476 it pulled the rope up, which would have the victim's foot 1418 01:03:39,916 --> 01:03:41,144 in the rope and he'd be hanging upside down. 1419 01:03:41,384 --> 01:03:44,012 AAAAHHHHHHH! AHH! HELP! 1420 01:03:44,253 --> 01:03:47,188 In effect, it worked perfectly and nobody was hurt. 1421 01:03:47,423 --> 01:03:50,290 My head gets pulled back by Jason, and he slits my throat. 1422 01:03:50,526 --> 01:03:52,357 First they put the machete against it, 1423 01:03:52,595 --> 01:03:54,085 and then he would pull it and as he slit, 1424 01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:55,888 it looked like he was actually cutting it. 1425 01:03:56,132 --> 01:03:58,828 But they used the dull side of the machete and many times 1426 01:03:59,068 --> 01:04:00,365 people have said to me, 'lt looks like you were cut 1427 01:04:00,603 --> 01:04:01,865 from the wrong side of that machete.' 1428 01:04:02,104 --> 01:04:03,571 And it's quite true. 1429 01:04:04,006 --> 01:04:07,339 The role of wheelchair-bound Mark 1430 01:04:07,577 --> 01:04:09,204 was played by openly gay actor and model Tom McBride, 1431 01:04:09,445 --> 01:04:12,141 who sadly passed away in 1 995. 1432 01:04:12,381 --> 01:04:14,508 I started flirting with Tom McBride very early 1433 01:04:14,951 --> 01:04:16,543 in the process. 1434 01:04:16,986 --> 01:04:19,181 And he finally said, 'Lauren, not gonna happen.' 1435 01:04:19,422 --> 01:04:21,014 And I went, 'Oh, shucks.' 1436 01:04:21,257 --> 01:04:22,315 He's actually the only one I flirted with, 1437 01:04:22,558 --> 01:04:24,389 but Tom McBride was great. 1438 01:04:24,627 --> 01:04:25,423 And he was just a sweetheart. 1439 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:27,386 If you watch the movie, 1440 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,190 the most uncomfortable moment I have 1441 01:04:30,433 --> 01:04:32,560 is when I look at Tom McBride in the wheelchair, 1442 01:04:33,002 --> 01:04:35,869 and I'm supposed to be smoking a joint?. 1443 01:04:36,105 --> 01:04:38,972 And I say...Toke?. 1444 01:04:39,208 --> 01:04:40,334 You can tell I have no idea what I'm talking about. 1445 01:04:40,576 --> 01:04:43,477 And everyone on the set knew it. 1446 01:04:43,913 --> 01:04:44,971 And they never let me forget it. 1447 01:04:45,214 --> 01:04:47,148 I was such a good Catholic Girl. 1448 01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:50,284 McBride's death scene in 'Friday the 1 3th Part 2" 1449 01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:54,080 remains one of the series' most memorable and controversial. 1450 01:04:54,323 --> 01:04:57,156 I thought Tom McBride's kill was cool. 1451 01:04:57,393 --> 01:05:01,056 He got a machete in his head and went down a series of steps. 1452 01:05:01,297 --> 01:05:03,197 It was just, seemed so cruel. 1453 01:05:03,432 --> 01:05:05,627 You know, here's a guy in a wheelchair, 1454 01:05:06,068 --> 01:05:07,535 and you know he's got no way to defend himself really. 1455 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:10,234 To me that's like, how could you 1456 01:05:10,473 --> 01:05:11,132 go much further than that?. That's really far. 1457 01:05:11,374 --> 01:05:14,070 Actually, he had constructed a rail 1458 01:05:14,310 --> 01:05:16,301 for the wheelchair to travel on, 1459 01:05:16,545 --> 01:05:18,945 and to make sure that the actor wouldn't get hurt. 1460 01:05:19,181 --> 01:05:20,910 It was a tremendous amount of work put into it. 1461 01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:23,243 It was a fantastic, fantastic stunt 1462 01:05:23,486 --> 01:05:24,976 back down that staircase. 1463 01:05:25,221 --> 01:05:26,153 I don't know if you've ever tried 1464 01:05:26,389 --> 01:05:27,583 to go down backwards, on a wheelchair, 1465 01:05:28,024 --> 01:05:30,219 with a make-believe machete in your head, 1466 01:05:30,459 --> 01:05:34,088 but it's a challenge. 1467 01:05:34,330 --> 01:05:36,525 Many of the film's most inventive murder sequences 1468 01:05:36,966 --> 01:05:39,366 were actually suggested by the late Phil Scuderi, 1469 01:05:39,602 --> 01:05:41,570 who never took credit for his creative contributions 1470 01:05:42,004 --> 01:05:43,596 to the 'Friday the 1 3th' films. 1471 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,372 Phil Scuderi was more, I would say, 1472 01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:49,305 Iike the architect of the series. 1473 01:05:49,545 --> 01:05:52,070 He came up with some great scenes himself. 1474 01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:54,283 I mean he, and it was embarrassing sometimes, 1475 01:05:54,517 --> 01:05:57,042 he'd get up in a restaurant and act them out for me. 1476 01:05:57,286 --> 01:05:58,378 You know, 'This is what I want you to write,' you know, 1477 01:05:58,621 --> 01:06:00,919 and he'd act a scene out for me. 1478 01:06:01,157 --> 01:06:03,648 Of course there was a couple in the bed having sex. 1479 01:06:04,093 --> 01:06:05,060 And we all know in a horror movie, 1480 01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:06,386 if you have sex, you have to die. 1481 01:06:06,629 --> 01:06:08,460 Because it's wrong. 1482 01:06:08,698 --> 01:06:10,393 Which is not the case in real life. 1483 01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,032 Oh, I thought it was great, are you kidding?. 1484 01:06:12,268 --> 01:06:13,599 You know, I remember I was a young guy, you know. 1485 01:06:14,036 --> 01:06:17,233 You'd be able to, you know, film this, you know, love scene. 1486 01:06:17,473 --> 01:06:20,203 And then, and then get a spear. I thought it was terrific. 1487 01:06:20,443 --> 01:06:21,467 Essentially, there's a hole in the floor and both characters 1488 01:06:21,711 --> 01:06:23,303 were standing in this hole. 1489 01:06:23,546 --> 01:06:25,537 Carl Fullerton who was our make-up guy, 1490 01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:28,542 I had gone to his place in New Jersey 1491 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:32,352 and they had made a latex back, 1492 01:06:32,588 --> 01:06:34,453 which actually you never see in the film. 1493 01:06:34,690 --> 01:06:36,521 So he was actually skewered on camera. 1494 01:06:36,759 --> 01:06:37,953 That spear actually went into his back on camera. 1495 01:06:38,194 --> 01:06:39,957 It was fabulous. 1496 01:06:40,196 --> 01:06:41,288 It was just really fun. 1497 01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:45,159 The sound guy at one point, 1498 01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:47,028 I'm sitting there on my knees and he comes over to me, 1499 01:06:47,269 --> 01:06:49,237 and he says, he says, How are you?. How you doin'?. 1500 01:06:49,472 --> 01:06:52,600 Are you okay?. I said, 'You know, yeah. 1501 01:06:53,042 --> 01:06:54,737 I'm alright, you know my, you know I'm a little uncomfortable. 1502 01:06:55,177 --> 01:06:57,236 He said, Open your mouth. 1503 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,417 And he blows some powder into my mouth. 1504 01:07:02,651 --> 01:07:05,449 And I'm telling you, they could have filmed it 1 5 times. 1505 01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,122 I was having a great time after that. 1506 01:07:08,357 --> 01:07:10,587 Fullerton's human-shish-kebob 1507 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,153 was one of the many graphic special effects 1508 01:07:12,395 --> 01:07:14,386 deemed too disturbing 1509 01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:16,598 by the Motion Picture Association of America. 1510 01:07:17,033 --> 01:07:18,625 To date, the scene has never been released 1511 01:07:19,068 --> 01:07:20,763 in its uncut form. 1512 01:07:21,203 --> 01:07:22,727 That skewering scene was actually really fun to set up 1513 01:07:23,172 --> 01:07:25,640 and really fun to shoot. 1514 01:07:26,075 --> 01:07:28,270 And what a disappointment that it all hit the floor. 1515 01:07:28,511 --> 01:07:30,479 When we were prepping "Day of the Dead," 1516 01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:33,511 Carl Fullerton said, 'Oh, do you guys want to see 1517 01:07:33,749 --> 01:07:36,217 some of the gags from 'Friday the 1 3th' Part 2?. ' 1518 01:07:36,452 --> 01:07:38,386 We're like, 'Yeah, of course. That would be great.' 1519 01:07:38,621 --> 01:07:41,556 Before it got butchered by the ratings board, 1520 01:07:41,791 --> 01:07:44,589 the fact that the guy's on top of her, 1521 01:07:44,827 --> 01:07:48,593 and she sees Jason coming, and she's struggling 1522 01:07:48,831 --> 01:07:51,391 and she's trying to push him off of her 1523 01:07:51,634 --> 01:07:53,226 so she could get out of the way. 1524 01:07:53,469 --> 01:07:57,064 It was such an effective, disturbing sequence 1525 01:07:57,306 --> 01:08:00,503 that, to this day, I could, I still remember 1526 01:08:00,743 --> 01:08:03,211 exactly what it looked like. 1527 01:08:03,446 --> 01:08:06,074 For all its gory inventiveness, 1528 01:08:06,315 --> 01:08:07,748 the scene has been widely accused of ripping off 1529 01:08:08,184 --> 01:08:10,243 a nearly identical murder sequence 1530 01:08:10,486 --> 01:08:13,421 from Mario Bava's 1 971 Giallo thriller, 1531 01:08:13,656 --> 01:08:15,715 "Twitch of the Death Nerve." 1532 01:08:16,158 --> 01:08:17,557 It was kind of fun after the fact 1533 01:08:17,793 --> 01:08:20,626 to discover that Mario Bava had made a film 1534 01:08:20,863 --> 01:08:22,455 called "Twitch of the Death Nerve," 1535 01:08:22,698 --> 01:08:25,064 which I had never heard of and never seen 1536 01:08:25,301 --> 01:08:26,791 until long after the fact. 1537 01:08:27,236 --> 01:08:29,363 This is going to sound really, really weird, 1538 01:08:29,605 --> 01:08:31,197 but I was a great screamer. 1539 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:33,465 I hope nobody takes that the wrong way. 1540 01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:37,338 But, I was. I could scream, I mean -- (screams) 1541 01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:39,377 I was really good at that, 1542 01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:41,344 and I think once they figured that out, 1543 01:08:41,584 --> 01:08:44,109 they decided, 'Okay, we're gonna have her scream a lot.' 1544 01:08:44,353 --> 01:08:46,253 So they made it really long. 1545 01:08:46,489 --> 01:08:49,390 And it started with just that little swipe on the leg. 1546 01:08:49,625 --> 01:08:51,456 Where he, kind of, missed whatever he wanted to cut off. 1547 01:08:51,694 --> 01:08:53,491 But then he kept, you know, it was like... 1548 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:54,753 (makes Psycho sound effect) 1549 01:08:55,197 --> 01:08:56,494 They didn't use a dummy for that 1550 01:08:56,732 --> 01:08:58,290 when they dragged me down the stairs. 1551 01:08:58,534 --> 01:09:00,092 They actually dragged me down the stairs! 1552 01:09:00,336 --> 01:09:02,463 So when you saw my feet going blump, blump, blump, 1553 01:09:02,705 --> 01:09:05,173 that was a crew member dragging me down the stairs. 1554 01:09:05,407 --> 01:09:07,875 There was a scene later on, where everybody's at the bar, 1555 01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:10,141 and everybody's you know, 1556 01:09:10,379 --> 01:09:11,539 partying while the rest of us are getting killed. 1557 01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:13,270 Ginny: What if there is a Jason?. 1558 01:09:13,516 --> 01:09:16,110 Paul: Oh, bullshit, Ginny! 1559 01:09:16,352 --> 01:09:17,819 Ginny: I mean, let's try to think beyond the legend 1560 01:09:18,254 --> 01:09:19,778 and put it in real terms. 1561 01:09:20,222 --> 01:09:21,382 I mean, what would he be like today?. 1562 01:09:21,624 --> 01:09:23,353 The character of Ginny Field, 1563 01:09:23,592 --> 01:09:26,186 she somehow really understood 1564 01:09:26,428 --> 01:09:30,194 that there's more to a person than just the bad side. 1565 01:09:30,432 --> 01:09:33,128 You know, and everyone wants to demonize somebody. 1566 01:09:33,369 --> 01:09:37,237 And so, she had some kind of insight that this, 1567 01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,169 something had to go wrong somewhere in his childhood 1568 01:09:40,409 --> 01:09:41,706 or his upbringing. 1569 01:09:41,944 --> 01:09:43,673 He must have seen his mother get killed, 1570 01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,312 and all just because she loved him. 1571 01:09:45,548 --> 01:09:48,312 I think Ginny kind of understood that some, 1572 01:09:48,551 --> 01:09:50,644 that there's more to it than just this demon guy 1573 01:09:50,886 --> 01:09:53,411 with a pillowcase over his head. 1574 01:09:53,656 --> 01:09:56,147 We went to that bar and none of those people, 1575 01:09:56,392 --> 01:09:57,825 I think, had ever seen a movie, 1576 01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:59,750 had been around a movie. 1577 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:01,322 And they were all hired as extras. 1578 01:10:01,564 --> 01:10:03,327 And it was pretty funny. 1579 01:10:03,566 --> 01:10:07,593 And we actually started drinking a bit in that scene, 1580 01:10:07,836 --> 01:10:09,394 so by the time four in the morning came along, 1581 01:10:09,638 --> 01:10:12,266 we just kept drinking. 1582 01:10:12,508 --> 01:10:16,239 Arguably the luckiest character is fun-loving prankster Ted, 1583 01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:18,207 who decides to stay behind at the bar, 1584 01:10:18,447 --> 01:10:20,915 thereby escaping certain death. 1585 01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:25,218 I did another movie, a John Carpenter film, "Christine," 1586 01:10:25,454 --> 01:10:26,614 and there's a scene in that where I got killed. 1587 01:10:26,855 --> 01:10:28,948 Where I got squished. 1588 01:10:29,391 --> 01:10:30,915 And they originally filmed it as me getting crushed 1589 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:32,884 underneath a car coming down. 1590 01:10:33,329 --> 01:10:35,729 In the movie they wound up not using that scene. 1591 01:10:35,965 --> 01:10:40,265 And I'm convinced that it's because I don't die good. 1592 01:10:40,502 --> 01:10:44,336 (laughs) So I'm glad that they didn't try to kill me here, 1593 01:10:44,573 --> 01:10:46,734 'cause, you know, to make believe me dying as an actor, 1594 01:10:46,976 --> 01:10:47,874 has got to be one of the silliest things 1595 01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:50,437 for a grown-up to do. 1596 01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,614 This is the site of the old Lake Waramaug Casino, 1597 01:10:53,849 --> 01:10:59,287 and this burned down about a year after it was used 1598 01:10:59,521 --> 01:11:02,581 for some scenes in 'Friday the 1 3th Part 2." 1599 01:11:02,825 --> 01:11:08,286 It starts to rain and Amy Steel and John Furey 1600 01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:09,588 are coming out of the bar. 1601 01:11:09,832 --> 01:11:11,424 And they're about to get into their, 1602 01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:12,929 her little red Volkswagen. 1603 01:11:13,369 --> 01:11:15,394 But I convinced Steve Miner 1604 01:11:15,638 --> 01:11:16,627 that I could run through the scene 1605 01:11:16,872 --> 01:11:18,499 in the parking lot. 1606 01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:20,766 As they're getting in the car, 1607 01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:23,877 you can see me running into the restaurant. 1608 01:11:24,313 --> 01:11:26,440 You can't even tell that it's anything 1609 01:11:26,682 --> 01:11:29,708 other than a body running through the rain, but it's me. 1610 01:11:29,952 --> 01:11:33,353 I come back from the dead. 1611 01:11:33,589 --> 01:11:36,786 Unaware of the carnage that has occurred in the main cabin, 1612 01:11:37,026 --> 01:11:39,688 Ginny and Paul make a gruesome discovery, 1613 01:11:39,928 --> 01:11:44,024 and the terrifying final confrontation with Jason begins. 1614 01:11:44,466 --> 01:11:46,730 When I'm down there waiting, and they're coming in, 1615 01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:48,027 and I'm behind the couch, I was like a little kid. 1616 01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:49,732 You know what I mean?. 1617 01:11:49,972 --> 01:11:50,996 I was like, I couldn't wait, 1618 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,341 I was, oh, this is gonna be good. 1619 01:11:54,576 --> 01:11:57,010 Paul, there's someone in this fuckin' room! 1620 01:11:57,446 --> 01:11:59,004 Amy with the screaming, and the whole thing. 1621 01:11:59,448 --> 01:12:03,748 And that's when the chase scene started. 1622 01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:05,317 There was a lot of physical action in the film. 1623 01:12:05,554 --> 01:12:07,647 I had to jump out of this window. 1624 01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:10,017 And I remember the stunt guy said you know, 1625 01:12:10,459 --> 01:12:11,323 'Maybe you could get a stunt adjustment for that.' 1626 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,391 But yeah, it was a lot of running. 1627 01:12:13,629 --> 01:12:14,891 Splashing through the puddles. 1628 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:18,562 Jumping, hiding, a lot of it was hiding. 1629 01:12:18,801 --> 01:12:20,496 I really like Amy, I mean, I always liked Amy. 1630 01:12:20,736 --> 01:12:22,897 She brought a great sort of buoyancy to whatever she did. 1631 01:12:23,339 --> 01:12:24,806 I mean, she came in, she was enthusiastic, 1632 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,439 she was down with whatever the program was. 1633 01:12:26,675 --> 01:12:28,575 Here I am under the bed, 1634 01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:32,042 and Jason's walking around, and I'm scared to death, 1635 01:12:32,481 --> 01:12:35,712 and all of a sudden a rat comes right in front of my face. 1636 01:12:35,951 --> 01:12:38,476 I thought Ginny was so scared she peed her pants. 1637 01:12:38,721 --> 01:12:40,689 Maybe it was the rat, I don't know. 1638 01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:40,945 But it wasn't a large amount of pee for a rat?. 1639 01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:45,690 I gotta give Amy Steel a lot of credit 1640 01:12:45,928 --> 01:12:47,919 because all during the filming Amy never spoke to me. 1641 01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:50,559 Off camera. 1642 01:12:50,799 --> 01:12:52,357 I didn't have much communication with him, 1643 01:12:52,601 --> 01:12:55,866 or I kind of kept him very separate. 1644 01:12:56,105 --> 01:12:59,097 Amy was non-existent. She didn't want to come near me. 1645 01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:00,530 She didn't want to know anything about me. 1646 01:13:00,776 --> 01:13:02,710 I respected that. I stayed away from her as well. 1647 01:13:02,945 --> 01:13:04,936 But mostly, you know, 1648 01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:06,871 they would shoot him and then shoot me. 1649 01:13:07,116 --> 01:13:09,516 So we were never exactly at the same place at the same time, 1650 01:13:09,752 --> 01:13:11,913 with the exception of the sweater scene. 1651 01:13:12,154 --> 01:13:17,023 That final scene we used to call Chez Jason. 1652 01:13:17,459 --> 01:13:21,418 Where Amy goes and dresses up as Mrs. Voorhees. 1653 01:13:21,663 --> 01:13:24,962 And Jason is somewhat stunned by, wait a minute. 1654 01:13:25,401 --> 01:13:26,698 This is my mom. 1655 01:13:26,935 --> 01:13:29,062 And she psyches him out. 1656 01:13:29,505 --> 01:13:32,372 In her only cameo in any of the 'Friday the 1 3th' sequels, 1657 01:13:32,608 --> 01:13:35,475 Betsy Palmer appears to Jason 1658 01:13:35,711 --> 01:13:38,771 as the ghostly visage of Mrs. Voorhees. 1659 01:13:39,014 --> 01:13:41,676 They said, would I come and let them make up my head?. 1660 01:13:41,917 --> 01:13:44,044 Again. 1661 01:13:44,486 --> 01:13:47,580 And that they needed that and do a few voice-overs. 1662 01:13:47,823 --> 01:13:49,620 And I said, Sure, I'll do that. 1663 01:13:49,858 --> 01:13:51,689 Which I did. 1664 01:13:51,927 --> 01:13:54,725 He's a tragic figure because he was looking for his mother. 1665 01:13:54,963 --> 01:13:56,521 Now here, after all this time, 1666 01:13:56,765 --> 01:13:59,791 Amy's in the lair, and she says 1667 01:14:00,035 --> 01:14:01,935 Jason, mother is talking to you! 1668 01:14:02,171 --> 01:14:05,766 Jason, Mother is talking to you. 1669 01:14:06,008 --> 01:14:09,705 And when I listen to what she said, 1670 01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:11,879 that's when I did the, you know, the tilt the head. 1671 01:14:12,114 --> 01:14:13,809 Is that my mother?. Is that my mother?. 1672 01:14:14,049 --> 01:14:18,418 My heart broke. I really felt bad for poor Jason. 1673 01:14:18,654 --> 01:14:19,052 I felt what I was doing through the whole thing, 1674 01:14:19,488 --> 01:14:21,479 I really did. 1675 01:14:21,723 --> 01:14:22,815 That was the point of the film where I went, 1676 01:14:23,058 --> 01:14:25,083 'That's really where we're going. 1677 01:14:25,527 --> 01:14:27,188 That's what the sound of this is.' 1678 01:14:27,629 --> 01:14:31,497 So there was a certain ethereal, sort of spacey, 1679 01:14:31,733 --> 01:14:34,998 kind of sound that permeated the picture from the beginning. 1680 01:14:35,237 --> 01:14:36,966 I have the machete behind my back. 1681 01:14:37,206 --> 01:14:39,436 And I'm instructed to pull the machete up. 1682 01:14:39,675 --> 01:14:43,167 And just as Mrs. Voorhees' face is revealed, 1683 01:14:43,612 --> 01:14:46,046 he's supposed to bring up this pickaxe. 1684 01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:48,643 And then that's when I bring the machete down. 1685 01:14:48,884 --> 01:14:50,909 There was a lot of discussion before that scene was shot. 1686 01:14:51,153 --> 01:14:53,781 It was ultimately decided that Amy could do it. 1687 01:14:54,022 --> 01:14:56,456 So Cliff took her, and he walked her through it 1688 01:14:56,692 --> 01:14:58,057 a couple of times, on what would happen. 1689 01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:00,792 'Make sure you hit the pickaxe in the middle, 1690 01:15:01,029 --> 01:15:02,758 and so forth, and so on. 1691 01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:04,556 She is a great actress, but unfortunately that day for me, 1692 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,824 she was trying to kill me. 1693 01:15:06,068 --> 01:15:07,467 So I guess I got really anxious, 1694 01:15:07,703 --> 01:15:10,729 and I brought the machete down 1695 01:15:10,973 --> 01:15:11,997 when he still had the pick-axe like this, 1696 01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:13,731 as opposed to this. 1697 01:15:13,976 --> 01:15:17,742 She missed the pick-axe, and she came down on my finger. 1698 01:15:17,980 --> 01:15:21,245 And I felt so bad. 1699 01:15:21,683 --> 01:15:24,652 But the actor who played Jason was really cool about it. 1700 01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:27,515 You know, he just said, 'Hey, this is what happens. 1701 01:15:27,756 --> 01:15:29,053 This is what happens when you're a stunt person.' 1702 01:15:29,291 --> 01:15:31,259 So then he goes to the hospital. 1703 01:15:31,693 --> 01:15:33,957 I think he had the machete through his chest or something, 1704 01:15:34,196 --> 01:15:35,561 and walks into the emergency room and they're like, 1705 01:15:35,797 --> 01:15:37,765 Oh, my god! 1706 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,194 I come walking in with the machete 1707 01:15:39,635 --> 01:15:41,125 sticking out of my shoulder, 1708 01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:42,559 and everybody in the emergency room went... 1709 01:15:42,804 --> 01:15:44,237 And I walked up to the desk, 1710 01:15:44,673 --> 01:15:45,731 I says, Have you got anything for a headache?. 1711 01:15:45,974 --> 01:15:46,736 I've got a very bad headache. 1712 01:15:46,975 --> 01:15:48,772 They stitched him up. 1713 01:15:49,011 --> 01:15:51,673 But, he was professional, he came back, 1714 01:15:51,914 --> 01:15:54,542 and they finished the scene with the bandage under the shirt. 1715 01:15:54,783 --> 01:15:58,719 And I have 13 stitches in this finger to show you. 1716 01:15:58,954 --> 01:16:00,649 It's right here, this, it's 1 3 stitches. 1717 01:16:00,889 --> 01:16:03,722 So, very apropos. 1718 01:16:03,959 --> 01:16:06,086 Muffin comes tottering in. (laughs) 1719 01:16:06,328 --> 01:16:07,886 'Oh, Muffin. You're alive!' 1720 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:10,690 Come here, Muffin. 1721 01:16:10,933 --> 01:16:13,766 The scene where Jason comes careening through the window?. 1722 01:16:14,002 --> 01:16:16,027 Look, you thought he was dead. 1723 01:16:16,271 --> 01:16:17,670 And it's the greatest shock. 1724 01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:19,533 I know that the Jason coming through the window 1725 01:16:19,775 --> 01:16:20,935 was a nightmare for me. 1726 01:16:21,176 --> 01:16:22,666 I had to do it three times. 1727 01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:24,310 And it was really scary. 1728 01:16:24,746 --> 01:16:25,770 And yeah, it's plenty scary. 1729 01:16:26,014 --> 01:16:27,174 The mystery of the unknown. 1730 01:16:27,616 --> 01:16:29,106 What is behind that potato sack?. 1731 01:16:29,351 --> 01:16:31,182 We never saw the make-up. 1732 01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:32,314 And he didn't want me to see it. 1733 01:16:32,754 --> 01:16:35,052 And he wanted to look really real. 1734 01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:37,224 You know, because we could have walked up to the make-up area 1735 01:16:37,659 --> 01:16:38,683 and seen what this guy looked like 1736 01:16:38,927 --> 01:16:40,554 so we wouldn't have been as shocked, you know, 1737 01:16:40,796 --> 01:16:42,286 when he blasts through the window. 1738 01:16:42,731 --> 01:16:46,326 They built a platform outside the house. 1739 01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:49,896 The platform was probably 4 feet long. 1740 01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:52,834 So we coordinated how many steps it takes. 1741 01:16:53,075 --> 01:16:56,602 One, two three, bah, you know, through the window. 1742 01:16:56,845 --> 01:16:58,642 And at this time in my life, 1743 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,939 I was not a well-seasoned stuntman. 1744 01:17:01,183 --> 01:17:03,913 So this was the first time I jumped through a window. 1745 01:17:04,152 --> 01:17:07,952 Steve was, he knew how I felt about that scene. 1746 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:11,023 And I remember he was, you know he goes, 1747 01:17:11,259 --> 01:17:12,920 Hey, let's go have lunch. 1748 01:17:13,161 --> 01:17:14,788 And he was trying to kind of play it really cool 1749 01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:16,895 and not let me know. 1750 01:17:17,132 --> 01:17:18,997 And then all of a sudden he said, Guess what?. 1751 01:17:19,234 --> 01:17:19,791 We have to re-shoot that scene again. 1752 01:17:20,035 --> 01:17:22,060 Ruined my day. 1753 01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:24,363 But anyway, look, the proof is in the scene. 1754 01:17:24,806 --> 01:17:27,104 Cause we got it right, and people are still talking. 1755 01:17:27,342 --> 01:17:29,139 Much like its predecessor, 1756 01:17:29,378 --> 01:17:31,312 Part 2's ending would ultimately pose more questions 1757 01:17:31,747 --> 01:17:32,975 than it answered. 1758 01:17:33,215 --> 01:17:36,184 Chief among them, what happened to Paul?. 1759 01:17:36,418 --> 01:17:38,613 The end of 'Friday the 1 3th Part 2" 1760 01:17:38,854 --> 01:17:39,786 is still one of the most confusing endings 1761 01:17:40,022 --> 01:17:42,115 of that series. 1762 01:17:42,357 --> 01:17:44,689 You didn't know what happened to my character. 1763 01:17:44,926 --> 01:17:45,790 Like she says at the end of the movie, 1764 01:17:46,028 --> 01:17:47,996 she says, "Where's Paul?. " 1765 01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:49,891 And they said, "We don't know. We haven't found him yet." 1766 01:17:50,132 --> 01:17:52,066 So they purposely left it ambiguous. 1767 01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:54,791 And I'm not sure exactly what did happen to Paul. 1768 01:17:55,037 --> 01:17:56,868 Too bad he didn't come back in Part 3. (laughs) 1769 01:17:57,105 --> 01:17:59,266 As noted, we've seen a dog that earlier in the film 1770 01:17:59,708 --> 01:18:02,176 it's suggested has been killed, shows up again. 1771 01:18:02,411 --> 01:18:04,743 There is, of course, some speculation 1772 01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:06,277 that it's a dream ultimately. 1773 01:18:06,715 --> 01:18:08,080 Maybe that's one of the good parts of the movie 1774 01:18:08,316 --> 01:18:10,648 is that you get to decide that for yourself. 1775 01:18:10,886 --> 01:18:12,854 I guess there was talk of an alternate ending. 1776 01:18:13,088 --> 01:18:13,986 It was not anything that was prominent 1777 01:18:14,222 --> 01:18:15,814 when we were shooting it. 1778 01:18:16,058 --> 01:18:20,654 At the very end, they zoom in on Mrs. Voorhees' head. 1779 01:18:20,896 --> 01:18:22,056 It was just sort of sitting there on the altar. 1780 01:18:22,297 --> 01:18:23,958 I know when they were shooting it, 1781 01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:25,791 I think they couldn't decide 1782 01:18:26,034 --> 01:18:28,025 whether the eyes should open or not. 1783 01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:31,137 I think that they did make her eyes go open. 1784 01:18:31,373 --> 01:18:33,341 Although the alternate ending of 'Friday the 13th Part 2" 1785 01:18:33,775 --> 01:18:35,675 remains unreleased, 1786 01:18:35,911 --> 01:18:38,209 production stills have surfaced of actress Connie Hogan, 1787 01:18:38,447 --> 01:18:40,847 who played the decapitated head of Mrs. Voorhees 1788 01:18:41,083 --> 01:18:43,278 in the film's unused final shot. 1789 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:44,708 In my world that was never a serious contender 1790 01:18:44,953 --> 01:18:46,921 for an alternative ending. 1791 01:18:47,155 --> 01:18:49,851 And we spent a lot of time getting it right. 1792 01:18:50,092 --> 01:18:51,184 And we did. It's a fabulous ending. 1793 01:18:51,426 --> 01:18:53,360 One of the guys came to me, 1794 01:18:53,795 --> 01:18:55,387 I was from the camp office. And he said, "Thanks a lot. 1795 01:18:55,831 --> 01:18:59,733 We left you a Thank You down at the lake." 1796 01:18:59,968 --> 01:19:03,734 I came down there and what I found was a head 1797 01:19:03,972 --> 01:19:06,372 hanging from a tree in a little net basket. 1798 01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:10,209 And, I guess that was my thank you 1799 01:19:10,445 --> 01:19:12,436 for the courtesies extended to these guys and the cast 1800 01:19:12,881 --> 01:19:15,873 who were down there. 1801 01:19:16,118 --> 01:19:16,243 So I still have that head and I've had a lot of fun with it 1802 01:19:16,485 --> 01:19:17,452 over the years. 1803 01:19:17,886 --> 01:19:19,717 As a matter of fact, 1804 01:19:19,955 --> 01:19:21,047 I've had a number of people who wanted 1805 01:19:21,289 --> 01:19:23,951 to purchase that and the Crystal Lake sign, 1806 01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:29,755 but they bring back too many happy memories to me. 1807 01:19:29,998 --> 01:19:31,260 Paramount Pictures released "Friday the 1 3th Part 2" 1808 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:34,025 on April 30, 1 981. 1809 01:19:34,269 --> 01:19:36,260 Continuing the original film's winning ad campaign 1810 01:19:36,505 --> 01:19:38,939 highlighting the escalating body count, 1811 01:19:39,174 --> 01:19:41,768 PART 2 brought in a final domestic box office take 1812 01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:45,502 of $21.7 million. 1813 01:19:45,947 --> 01:19:48,040 Even if the sequel didn't achieve the monster success 1814 01:19:48,283 --> 01:19:50,114 of the original, 1815 01:19:50,352 --> 01:19:52,252 it was still a bona fide moneymaker. 1816 01:19:52,487 --> 01:19:53,977 If nothing more, it proved there was much more lifeblood 1817 01:19:54,222 --> 01:19:58,386 to be drained from Jason Voorhees. 1818 01:19:58,827 --> 01:20:00,226 The film came out, and it was amazingly successful. 1819 01:20:00,462 --> 01:20:02,054 We were all very proud of it. 1820 01:20:02,297 --> 01:20:03,787 We made it on a very small budget 1821 01:20:04,032 --> 01:20:05,795 and pretty adverse circumstances. 1822 01:20:06,034 --> 01:20:07,262 You know, somebody from Paramount called me up one day 1823 01:20:07,502 --> 01:20:09,333 and they said, 'You're starring 1824 01:20:09,571 --> 01:20:10,902 in the number one box office movie in America.' 1825 01:20:11,139 --> 01:20:13,437 You know, it sort of sinks in then. 1826 01:20:13,875 --> 01:20:15,809 And I'm glad that it's an iconic kind of horror movie. 1827 01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:18,012 I was shocked. 1828 01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:19,941 I had no idea that there was such a fan base 1829 01:20:20,182 --> 01:20:21,479 for this film,and for Ginny. 1830 01:20:21,917 --> 01:20:26,115 And everyone I've met has been excited 1831 01:20:26,354 --> 01:20:29,812 and just been nothing but gracious. 1832 01:20:30,058 --> 01:20:31,286 When I got involved in the second 'Friday the 1 3th' 1833 01:20:31,526 --> 01:20:33,050 I had never seen the first one, 1834 01:20:33,295 --> 01:20:34,785 so I didn't know what I was getting into. 1835 01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:37,191 And I very quickly had to sort of get up to speed, 1836 01:20:37,432 --> 01:20:39,195 and I had to very quickly sort of had to assimilate myself 1837 01:20:39,434 --> 01:20:43,029 into a place that I hadn't been because of the opportunity, 1838 01:20:43,271 --> 01:20:45,364 and the faith that people had in me, that they gave me, 1839 01:20:45,607 --> 01:20:47,438 it turned out to be a, you know, 1840 01:20:47,876 --> 01:20:51,141 Iike a life changing sort of dynamic for me. 1841 01:20:51,379 --> 01:20:52,903 We were actually shooting the end of the movie, 1842 01:20:53,148 --> 01:20:54,410 and Frank comes up and says, 1843 01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:55,509 'Can I talk to you for a minute?. ' 1844 01:20:55,951 --> 01:20:57,043 and I said, 'Sure.' So he said, 1845 01:20:57,285 --> 01:20:59,845 'l have two job offers when this film is over. 1846 01:21:00,088 --> 01:21:02,056 One is I can be Robert Evans' assistant. 1847 01:21:02,290 --> 01:21:03,484 He's doing a film for Paramount. 1848 01:21:03,925 --> 01:21:07,088 Or, I can produce my own film. 1849 01:21:07,329 --> 01:21:09,854 Which do you think I should do??' 1850 01:21:10,098 --> 01:21:12,225 And I said, 'You know, I think you should do your own film. 1851 01:21:12,467 --> 01:21:13,991 I think that that would be great for you. 1852 01:21:14,236 --> 01:21:16,136 I think you're ready to do that.' 1853 01:21:16,371 --> 01:21:17,565 And I was just really thrilled that he asked. 1854 01:21:18,006 --> 01:21:19,439 And I had no idea what he was talking about. 1855 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:22,036 And it turned out to be Friday the 1 3th Part 3. 1856 01:21:22,277 --> 01:21:24,211 And off he went. 1857 01:21:24,446 --> 01:21:26,414 And he did a great job with the series. 1858 01:21:26,648 --> 01:21:29,139 I had no idea it was going to work the way it did. 1859 01:21:29,384 --> 01:21:31,147 In fact I really thought 1860 01:21:31,386 --> 01:21:33,581 it wasn't going to work the way it did. 1861 01:21:34,022 --> 01:21:43,899 And I'm delighted to have been so wrong. 1862 01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:53,240 And I'm delighted to have been so wrong. 1863 01:21:53,475 --> 01:21:56,069 Bolstered by the success of 'Part 2.' 1864 01:21:56,311 --> 01:21:59,474 'Friday the 13th' managed to survive its sophomore slump. 1865 01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:03,009 A third installment seemed a foregone conclusion. 1866 01:22:03,251 --> 01:22:05,151 This time, however, 1867 01:22:05,387 --> 01:22:08,049 the previous film's surviving character 1868 01:22:08,290 --> 01:22:10,451 would not return to face Jason. 1869 01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:13,183 'Part 3' was going to have me as a trauma patient 1870 01:22:13,428 --> 01:22:15,157 in a mental hospital 1871 01:22:15,397 --> 01:22:19,629 and that Jason was going to come to find me 1872 01:22:20,068 --> 01:22:24,129 and now his focus of revenge was all on me. 1873 01:22:24,372 --> 01:22:27,535 And then he started offing all the patients, 1874 01:22:27,976 --> 01:22:29,967 and they were going to call it 'Friday the 1 3th 1875 01:22:30,211 --> 01:22:32,076 Meets Cuckoo's Nest." 1876 01:22:32,314 --> 01:22:35,249 I was offered to write "Part 3" but I turned it down. 1877 01:22:35,483 --> 01:22:37,542 I didn't want to be pigeon-holed 1878 01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:41,251 as 'Friday the 1 3th' guy. 1879 01:22:41,489 --> 01:22:44,219 I said no because I thought I was going to go on 1880 01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:46,484 to all these like other things, and I didn't have time. 1881 01:22:46,728 --> 01:22:48,958 But in hindsight I should have just done it 1882 01:22:49,197 --> 01:22:51,062 and had a great time. 1883 01:22:51,299 --> 01:22:54,029 Once again, Steve Miner returned to the director's chair 1884 01:22:54,269 --> 01:22:56,362 while script supervisor Martin Kitrosser, 1885 01:22:56,604 --> 01:22:57,593 along with his wife Carol Watson, 1886 01:22:58,039 --> 01:22:59,506 wrote the screenplay. 1887 01:22:59,741 --> 01:23:02,301 This time, the Boston-based investors 1888 01:23:02,544 --> 01:23:05,274 put the film into the hands of a young, 1889 01:23:05,513 --> 01:23:07,174 but extremely capable, new producer. 1890 01:23:07,415 --> 01:23:08,507 These guys in Boston were used to working 1891 01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:10,217 with people that they knew, 1892 01:23:10,452 --> 01:23:12,147 Iike they knew Steve Miner from the first movie. 1893 01:23:12,387 --> 01:23:14,378 He was a PA. Then the second movie he directed. 1894 01:23:14,622 --> 01:23:16,146 He directed the third movie. 1895 01:23:16,391 --> 01:23:17,449 So they liked sort of hanging onto people. 1896 01:23:17,692 --> 01:23:20,354 Despite receiving a serviceable first draft 1897 01:23:20,595 --> 01:23:21,653 from Kitrosser and Watson, 1898 01:23:22,097 --> 01:23:24,588 the producers ultimately decided that the script 1899 01:23:25,033 --> 01:23:26,159 needed more work before the project could be green lit 1900 01:23:26,401 --> 01:23:27,732 for production. 1901 01:23:28,169 --> 01:23:29,261 I was friendly with Frank Mancuso, 1902 01:23:29,504 --> 01:23:31,028 and he mentioned that they had the screenplay 1903 01:23:31,272 --> 01:23:32,967 in a series of horror movies, 1904 01:23:33,208 --> 01:23:34,573 it was called 'Friday the 1 3th.' 1905 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:36,307 It's not a bad script, but it has to be re-written. 1906 01:23:36,544 --> 01:23:38,205 It has to have a different kind of atmosphere. 1907 01:23:38,446 --> 01:23:39,674 It has to be a lot more sinister, 1908 01:23:40,115 --> 01:23:41,673 a lot more menacing. 1909 01:23:42,117 --> 01:23:43,106 In addition to injecting the screenplay 1910 01:23:43,351 --> 01:23:45,216 with more horror and menace, 1911 01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:46,420 Steve Miner felt that 'Part 3' could benefit 1912 01:23:46,654 --> 01:23:48,144 from the revival of a gimmick 1913 01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:50,654 that he hoped would draw audiences back into theaters. 1914 01:23:51,092 --> 01:23:53,686 And one that would make it possible for Jason 1915 01:23:54,129 --> 01:23:56,563 to literally jump off the screen. 1916 01:23:56,798 --> 01:24:01,531 'Friday the 1 3th Part 3' would be shot in 3D. 1917 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:05,137 Back in the early 80s, Frank Mancuso, Sr. and l 1918 01:24:05,373 --> 01:24:08,069 sat in an office in Toronto 1919 01:24:08,309 --> 01:24:12,712 and discussed the idea of really trying to do 1920 01:24:13,148 --> 01:24:15,139 something radically new in film 1921 01:24:15,383 --> 01:24:16,350 that would help the theaters out a great deal. 1922 01:24:16,584 --> 01:24:18,449 And what kind of a movie should we make?. 1923 01:24:18,686 --> 01:24:21,177 Should we do something like "Star Trek 3D" 1924 01:24:21,423 --> 01:24:23,152 which is what was originally discussed, 1925 01:24:23,391 --> 01:24:26,189 or should we try to do something that's horror 1926 01:24:26,428 --> 01:24:29,363 and to try to really break the ground in horror films?. 1927 01:24:29,597 --> 01:24:31,326 We spoke a lot about the horror films 1928 01:24:31,566 --> 01:24:34,433 that came out in the 50s in 3D. 1929 01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:37,160 I had not seen many 3D movies, maybe one or two only. 1930 01:24:37,405 --> 01:24:40,306 He took me to a 3D screening of "Dial M for Murder" 1931 01:24:40,542 --> 01:24:43,272 which was he, Steve Miner was a fan of that movie, 1932 01:24:43,511 --> 01:24:44,603 and a fan of Hitchcock in general. 1933 01:24:44,846 --> 01:24:48,441 Frank Mancuso, Jr. really saw the idea 1934 01:24:48,683 --> 01:24:50,480 of what the potential was. 1935 01:24:50,718 --> 01:24:52,276 That whole idea of going to a theater, 1936 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,818 putting these kind of goofy glasses on. 1937 01:24:55,256 --> 01:24:56,655 You want to have that fun and so, you know, 1938 01:24:57,092 --> 01:25:00,289 that was part of the charm, I think. 1939 01:25:00,528 --> 01:25:03,361 To help defray costs associated with the new 3D technology, 1940 01:25:03,598 --> 01:25:05,293 the production team moved to the west coast. 1941 01:25:05,533 --> 01:25:08,127 and by the spring of 1 982, 1942 01:25:08,369 --> 01:25:10,633 the search was underway for yet another resourceful 1943 01:25:10,872 --> 01:25:13,340 female survivor and a youthful cast 1944 01:25:13,575 --> 01:25:14,803 of soon-to-be victims. 1945 01:25:15,243 --> 01:25:18,269 I sat in on the casting, 1946 01:25:18,513 --> 01:25:22,540 and I was surprised how different my ideas 1947 01:25:22,784 --> 01:25:24,251 of who should be the girl were 1948 01:25:24,486 --> 01:25:29,150 compared to who was selected by Steve Miner. 1949 01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:31,290 Well, I had done a film called "Sweet Sixteen," 1950 01:25:31,526 --> 01:25:33,357 and I guess the producer/director 1951 01:25:33,595 --> 01:25:37,622 saw me in that, 1952 01:25:37,866 --> 01:25:41,563 And I went for an audition and basically met with Steve Miner 1953 01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:44,271 and that was it. 1954 01:25:44,506 --> 01:25:46,497 I didn't really have to do a whole lot of auditioning for it. 1955 01:25:46,741 --> 01:25:47,765 There was a group of us. There was the jock, 1956 01:25:48,209 --> 01:25:49,574 and the good-looking girl, 1957 01:25:49,811 --> 01:25:51,403 and the nerd and his good-looking date... 1958 01:25:51,646 --> 01:25:52,510 I don't think so. 1959 01:25:52,747 --> 01:25:54,578 And the stoners. 1960 01:25:54,816 --> 01:25:57,250 They didn't really tell us much on the interview. 1961 01:25:57,485 --> 01:26:00,113 It was very secret. There wasn't a lot talked about. 1962 01:26:00,355 --> 01:26:03,188 My mother was an agent at the time, 1963 01:26:03,424 --> 01:26:04,789 and I was getting ready to go to college. 1964 01:26:05,226 --> 01:26:06,750 I had been working as a child as an actress, 1965 01:26:07,195 --> 01:26:08,628 and it was time to go to college, 1966 01:26:08,863 --> 01:26:10,353 and I was excited about that. 1967 01:26:10,598 --> 01:26:12,498 My mom called my agent and said, 1968 01:26:12,734 --> 01:26:14,565 "There's an interview for a movie of some sort. 1969 01:26:14,802 --> 01:26:17,168 Crystal Japan. 1970 01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:20,738 But when we finally found out what it was, 1971 01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:23,736 oh, it was so exciting. It was wonderful. 1972 01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:26,704 Actor Larry Zerner was literally approached on the street 1973 01:26:26,948 --> 01:26:28,279 by the film's screenwriters, 1974 01:26:28,516 --> 01:26:30,211 who thought he was perfect for the role 1975 01:26:30,451 --> 01:26:32,385 of the overweight, insecure prankster. 1976 01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:34,645 Andy: Relax. Be yourself. 1977 01:26:34,889 --> 01:26:37,517 Shelly: Would you be yourself if you looked like this?. 1978 01:26:37,759 --> 01:26:42,389 Shelly was unattractive and heavy, 1979 01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:44,791 and he just had very poor self- esteem 1980 01:26:45,233 --> 01:26:47,633 so he thought that if he had these little tricks, 1981 01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:49,200 that would bring attention to him, 1982 01:26:49,437 --> 01:26:51,735 which would make people like him. 1983 01:26:51,973 --> 01:26:53,873 Shelly: I guess I fooled you, huh?. 1984 01:26:54,309 --> 01:26:55,537 He's a little misguided that way. 1985 01:26:55,777 --> 01:26:57,802 Vera: Why do you do these stupid things?. 1986 01:26:58,246 --> 01:26:59,372 Shelly: I just want you to like me. 1987 01:26:59,614 --> 01:27:00,911 I think given Vera's character, 1988 01:27:01,349 --> 01:27:03,214 she did see the good in him, 1989 01:27:03,451 --> 01:27:05,612 despite the fact that she was supposed to be a babe. 1990 01:27:05,853 --> 01:27:08,754 And I talk to people who go, you know, 1991 01:27:08,990 --> 01:27:10,924 I really love Shelly or I love the character and I love you. 1992 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:12,883 And then I do talk to a certain amount of people who go-- 1993 01:27:13,328 --> 01:27:14,454 Hated Shelly. Worst character in the series. 1994 01:27:14,696 --> 01:27:18,564 After the dilemma 1995 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,792 of finding a capable stuntman in "Part 2," 1996 01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:23,795 the filmmakers decided they needed someone more agile, 1997 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,538 more athletic and more powerful to play the savage killer. 1998 01:27:27,775 --> 01:27:30,471 I was actually working as a stuntman in LA. 1999 01:27:30,712 --> 01:27:32,737 My background is actually circus. 2000 01:27:32,981 --> 01:27:34,278 I spent most of my life as a flying trapeze artist 2001 01:27:34,515 --> 01:27:35,982 in the circus. 2002 01:27:36,417 --> 01:27:38,442 He looked like the boogeyman. 2003 01:27:38,686 --> 01:27:41,484 He looked creepy and scary 2004 01:27:41,723 --> 01:27:44,624 in the way that Richard Brooker had him moving. 2005 01:27:44,859 --> 01:27:46,850 There's a certain malevolent intelligence 2006 01:27:47,295 --> 01:27:50,355 to the character in 3 that's not seen in the other movies per se. 2007 01:27:50,598 --> 01:27:52,862 I didn't get any direction from Steve Miner at all actually. 2008 01:27:53,301 --> 01:27:55,997 He actually came to me and said, you know, 2009 01:27:56,437 --> 01:27:57,961 "Don't ever come to me and ask me what your motivation is 2010 01:27:58,406 --> 01:28:00,306 because you have no motivation. 2011 01:28:00,541 --> 01:28:01,838 You're just a mindless killer, and you just go out and kill. 2012 01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:04,541 You're like the living version of "Jaws." 2013 01:28:04,779 --> 01:28:07,339 The creative choice that Steve Miner made 2014 01:28:07,582 --> 01:28:11,450 to keep Jason lurking and unseen, 2015 01:28:11,686 --> 01:28:13,779 I think was just a masterful creative choice 2016 01:28:14,022 --> 01:28:17,549 that added to the suspense. 2017 01:28:17,792 --> 01:28:20,260 Steve knew that it was better to try to keep Jason 2018 01:28:20,495 --> 01:28:22,656 kind of in the background as a shadowy figure 2019 01:28:22,897 --> 01:28:25,957 as opposed to, you know, 2020 01:28:26,401 --> 01:28:29,302 just turning around and having Jason stand there. 2021 01:28:29,537 --> 01:28:31,437 And he kept that going throughout the whole movie 2022 01:28:31,673 --> 01:28:33,971 so you really didn't know or see, you know, 2023 01:28:34,409 --> 01:28:37,037 how big Jason was until right at the climax of the movie. 2024 01:28:37,478 --> 01:28:39,946 Steve Miner was a very laid-back director, 2025 01:28:40,381 --> 01:28:41,780 and there was not a lot of tension on the set 2026 01:28:42,016 --> 01:28:44,348 so it was easy to work with him. 2027 01:28:44,585 --> 01:28:46,644 I had worked in the business since I was 2 years old, 2028 01:28:46,888 --> 01:28:48,515 and I had worked with a lot of directors. 2029 01:28:48,756 --> 01:28:51,384 And a lot of in my mind, directors were grown-ups 2030 01:28:51,626 --> 01:28:53,059 and Steve was another kid. 2031 01:28:53,494 --> 01:28:55,655 Never difficult. Never hard on us. 2032 01:28:55,897 --> 01:28:58,730 Just a nice guy. 2033 01:28:58,966 --> 01:29:00,957 In an homage to his idol Alfred Hitchcock, 2034 01:29:01,402 --> 01:29:04,337 Steve Miner appears in an early cameo 2035 01:29:04,572 --> 01:29:07,439 playing the newscaster reporting on the grisly aftermath 2036 01:29:07,675 --> 01:29:08,664 of "Part 2." 2037 01:29:08,910 --> 01:29:11,037 Crystal Lake was shocked today 2038 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:12,776 with reports of a grisly, mass-murder scene. 2039 01:29:13,014 --> 01:29:14,641 Naturally, the ominous warning goes unheeded 2040 01:29:14,882 --> 01:29:17,908 by Jason's next batch of victims. 2041 01:29:18,353 --> 01:29:21,948 I have warned thee! 2042 01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:23,948 You know, a lot of kids don't listen to the news, you know?. 2043 01:29:24,392 --> 01:29:25,916 They got better things to do with their life. 2044 01:29:26,361 --> 01:29:28,488 So I think it's understandable that all of us would be, 2045 01:29:28,730 --> 01:29:30,425 you know, heading up to Crystal Lake 2046 01:29:30,665 --> 01:29:31,962 to be with our friends. 2047 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,766 The day after the events in "Part 2," 2048 01:29:35,002 --> 01:29:36,435 so it's technically Saturday the 1 4th, 2049 01:29:36,671 --> 01:29:38,070 but don't tell anyone. 2050 01:29:38,506 --> 01:29:40,474 It was filmed at a ranch in Saugus, California. 2051 01:29:40,708 --> 01:29:43,506 They actually built the set there 2052 01:29:43,745 --> 01:29:44,837 so everything was in one location. 2053 01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:47,547 They built a little lake. 2054 01:29:47,782 --> 01:29:49,579 They built the barn. 2055 01:29:49,817 --> 01:29:51,614 They built the house and so everything was done right there. 2056 01:29:51,853 --> 01:29:53,650 Shooting was put off for a day or so 2057 01:29:53,888 --> 01:29:57,984 because there was an infestation of bees around. 2058 01:29:58,426 --> 01:30:02,362 So there were rattlesnakes everywhere 2059 01:30:02,597 --> 01:30:04,565 and some of the guys, some of the grips had guns 2060 01:30:04,799 --> 01:30:06,061 and then they'd hear this gun going off 2061 01:30:06,501 --> 01:30:08,526 because they were shooting rattlesnakes. 2062 01:30:08,770 --> 01:30:12,706 Here we are on the set of "Friday the 1 3th Part 3," 2063 01:30:12,940 --> 01:30:14,737 In 3D. 2064 01:30:14,976 --> 01:30:18,503 Over here's the house that we used, 2065 01:30:18,746 --> 01:30:21,044 that unfortunately burned about a year ago, 2066 01:30:21,482 --> 01:30:22,779 but the fireplace is still there. 2067 01:30:23,017 --> 01:30:26,077 But this house was built just for us. 2068 01:30:26,521 --> 01:30:28,455 It was a great atmosphere. 2069 01:30:28,689 --> 01:30:31,749 Our producer was young. Our director was young. 2070 01:30:31,993 --> 01:30:34,427 The whole cast were a bunch of young kids. 2071 01:30:34,662 --> 01:30:37,597 And it was a very relaxed atmosphere. 2072 01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:39,527 Everyone having a good time, and everyone having fun. 2073 01:30:39,767 --> 01:30:42,827 Well, it was also the first movie with the 3D camera, 2074 01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:44,970 which was kind of exciting. 2075 01:30:45,206 --> 01:30:46,867 I mean, it was a very unusual camera. 2076 01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:48,973 This was the lens that was used 2077 01:30:49,210 --> 01:30:52,611 to shoot "Friday the 1 3th Part 3 in 3D." 2078 01:30:52,847 --> 01:30:54,906 As you can see, it's really light weight and handheld, 2079 01:30:55,149 --> 01:30:57,549 and it permitted you to really make a horror movie 2080 01:30:57,785 --> 01:31:00,049 the way other horror movies are made. 2081 01:31:00,488 --> 01:31:01,921 We could do things like shoot long lenses with it. 2082 01:31:02,156 --> 01:31:04,124 We could do rack focuses with it. 2083 01:31:04,559 --> 01:31:07,653 Steve Miner did wonderful work with Gerry Fiel 2084 01:31:07,895 --> 01:31:09,157 by shooting a whole picture on a moving Louma crane. 2085 01:31:09,597 --> 01:31:11,656 The first feature film 2086 01:31:11,899 --> 01:31:16,029 to utilize the all-new Marks 3D system, 2087 01:31:16,471 --> 01:31:18,564 "Friday the 1 3th Part 3" encountered more than its share 2088 01:31:18,806 --> 01:31:20,171 of technical mishaps along the way. 2089 01:31:20,608 --> 01:31:24,510 The 3D was very difficult. 2090 01:31:24,745 --> 01:31:27,009 It was a brand new process. No one had ever used it before. 2091 01:31:27,248 --> 01:31:29,045 Today 3D, I'm sure, has come much farther 2092 01:31:29,484 --> 01:31:31,748 and is a lot easier to shoot. 2093 01:31:31,986 --> 01:31:35,444 Back then it would take hours to set up a shot. 2094 01:31:35,690 --> 01:31:37,783 There was a lot of time to just, as an actor, 2095 01:31:38,025 --> 01:31:38,992 to just sit around and wait. 2096 01:31:39,227 --> 01:31:42,025 That's what we did mostly. 2097 01:31:42,263 --> 01:31:44,754 And there was always something going wrong with it. 2098 01:31:44,999 --> 01:31:46,159 We were using at the time, which was very new, 2099 01:31:46,601 --> 01:31:48,694 a Louma crane. 2100 01:31:48,936 --> 01:31:51,632 And in the first run they did down the track, 2101 01:31:51,873 --> 01:31:53,170 it collapsed. 2102 01:31:53,608 --> 01:31:55,166 The whole thing went over. 2103 01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:57,601 So, you know, they had to start all over again. 2104 01:31:57,845 --> 01:31:59,813 And I remember the guy who ran it, 2105 01:32:00,047 --> 01:32:01,878 he showed up one day with a shirt that said, 2106 01:32:02,116 --> 01:32:03,777 "l Hate the Louma." 2107 01:32:04,018 --> 01:32:05,849 The first thing we shot was the scene at the store, 2108 01:32:06,087 --> 01:32:08,681 and they ended up basically throwing that away 2109 01:32:08,923 --> 01:32:10,857 because it was really just a test 2110 01:32:11,092 --> 01:32:14,152 to see if it could be done and then they revised it, 2111 01:32:14,595 --> 01:32:16,187 and we came back a week later and then we did it. 2112 01:32:16,631 --> 01:32:18,792 You had to do it exactly the way you were directed, 2113 01:32:19,033 --> 01:32:20,830 or the 3D effect wouldn't turn out. 2114 01:32:21,068 --> 01:32:23,195 So it was very precise. 2115 01:32:23,638 --> 01:32:26,163 Often times we would do additional takes 2116 01:32:26,607 --> 01:32:28,199 just because there were technical issues. 2117 01:32:28,643 --> 01:32:30,668 So as an actor that was a little frustrating. 2118 01:32:30,912 --> 01:32:32,903 When we're doing takes, you know, 2119 01:32:33,147 --> 01:32:34,637 I'm throwing the wallet at the camera in the store just 2120 01:32:34,882 --> 01:32:37,282 it's just take after take 2121 01:32:37,718 --> 01:32:39,515 because you have to hit right to the camera 2122 01:32:39,754 --> 01:32:41,187 otherwise it doesn't work. 2123 01:32:41,622 --> 01:32:44,591 So things did take more takes than usual 2124 01:32:44,825 --> 01:32:47,760 because I had to be perfectly right into the camera. 2125 01:32:47,995 --> 01:32:50,225 You weren't really worried so much about your acting skills 2126 01:32:50,665 --> 01:32:52,565 as much as could you get that yo-yo 2127 01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,597 to go right in the lens. 2128 01:32:54,835 --> 01:32:56,598 That was more important than anything else. 2129 01:32:56,837 --> 01:32:58,566 Director Steve Miner focused on creating 2130 01:32:58,806 --> 01:33:00,296 a totally new look for Jason 2131 01:33:00,741 --> 01:33:02,766 and a host of gory practical effects 2132 01:33:03,010 --> 01:33:05,877 that needed to leap out at the audience in 3D. 2133 01:33:06,113 --> 01:33:08,104 Some of the good 3D gags, 2134 01:33:08,349 --> 01:33:09,748 he puts a knitting needle through a woman's mouth 2135 01:33:09,984 --> 01:33:13,943 so it comes out the front. 2136 01:33:14,188 --> 01:33:16,019 When it comes out her mouth, 2137 01:33:16,257 --> 01:33:19,158 it's actually a plastic version of the knitting needle 2138 01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:21,858 connected to the original one, 2139 01:33:22,096 --> 01:33:22,687 and it's actually behind Richard's hand. 2140 01:33:22,930 --> 01:33:25,763 She just has her mouth open, 2141 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:26,694 and it's being fed down the side of his hand 2142 01:33:26,934 --> 01:33:29,232 and out through his fingers. 2143 01:33:29,670 --> 01:33:30,694 It's definitely a movie that should be seen in 3D. 2144 01:33:30,938 --> 01:33:34,032 If you watch it on DVD, 2145 01:33:34,275 --> 01:33:37,267 itjust a lot of the stuff just doesn't work. 2146 01:33:37,712 --> 01:33:39,873 When you watch it on 3D, it's like a whole other movie. 2147 01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:41,274 People who see it in a good 3D projection 2148 01:33:41,716 --> 01:33:45,049 do say it is one of their favorites. 2149 01:33:45,286 --> 01:33:47,345 "Part 3" had me at the credits. 2150 01:33:47,788 --> 01:33:50,621 When those credits came out part way and the whole music, 2151 01:33:50,858 --> 01:33:51,882 the whole disco thing, 2152 01:33:52,126 --> 01:33:55,721 and then they came out further, was so cool. 2153 01:33:55,963 --> 01:33:58,932 The creative force behind the film's now famous disco theme 2154 01:33:59,166 --> 01:34:01,794 was renowned music producer Michael Zager, 2155 01:34:02,036 --> 01:34:03,663 who shared credit with a fictional band 2156 01:34:03,904 --> 01:34:05,872 that he named "Hot lce." 2157 01:34:06,107 --> 01:34:07,836 I'm not sure if disco was dead, 2158 01:34:08,075 --> 01:34:11,169 but it was certainly it was still around. 2159 01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:13,880 Disco really never goes away anyway. 2160 01:34:14,115 --> 01:34:16,106 Once you hear it, you start to move, 2161 01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:19,877 you feel you feel the groove, I guess, you know. 2162 01:34:20,121 --> 01:34:21,986 I had no idea that this would become such a huge 2163 01:34:22,223 --> 01:34:24,623 and popular thing. 2164 01:34:24,859 --> 01:34:27,293 For example, in all the discos, gay clubs. 2165 01:34:27,728 --> 01:34:30,663 I understand there's actually a tribute band 2166 01:34:30,898 --> 01:34:40,796 who plays that particular piece live which astounds me. 2167 01:34:41,042 --> 01:34:43,101 People just come to me and like, 2168 01:34:43,344 --> 01:34:44,834 "l just really love that tune." 2169 01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:46,137 Get yourself a little drum machine 2170 01:34:46,380 --> 01:34:48,041 and you're on your way. 2171 01:34:48,282 --> 01:34:50,648 You, too, can be Hot lce. 2172 01:34:50,885 --> 01:34:52,409 In one of the film's more memorable scenes, 2173 01:34:52,853 --> 01:34:55,185 Shelly and Vera are accosted at a general store 2174 01:34:55,423 --> 01:34:59,826 by a fearsome motorcycle-riding trio. 2175 01:35:00,061 --> 01:35:02,962 Hey, we're back in the store where we filmed the scene 2176 01:35:03,197 --> 01:35:04,789 in "Friday the 1 3th Part 3." 2177 01:35:05,032 --> 01:35:06,795 This is the Spunky Canyon Market. 2178 01:35:07,034 --> 01:35:09,901 It is located in Green Valley, California. 2179 01:35:10,137 --> 01:35:12,367 This is the scene where we go to the store to buy stuff, 2180 01:35:12,807 --> 01:35:15,298 and Vera goes to talk to the cash register girl, 2181 01:35:15,743 --> 01:35:18,303 and she says that famous line 2182 01:35:18,746 --> 01:35:21,715 We don't accept no food stamps. 2183 01:35:21,949 --> 01:35:24,713 The other two members of the gang, Fox and Ali, 2184 01:35:24,952 --> 01:35:27,284 played by Gloria Charles and Nick Savage, 2185 01:35:27,722 --> 01:35:31,089 were great and I think that, very much like myself, 2186 01:35:31,325 --> 01:35:35,091 I don't think that that was their natural role. 2187 01:35:35,329 --> 01:35:36,990 Then they throw the condom thing in. 2188 01:35:37,231 --> 01:35:39,028 Is this your rubber?. 2189 01:35:39,266 --> 01:35:42,861 I was more embarrassed than the character, 2190 01:35:43,104 --> 01:35:45,095 the other character was supposed to be 2191 01:35:45,339 --> 01:35:46,966 about someone talking about a condom. 2192 01:35:47,208 --> 01:35:49,938 Right behind me iswas where the motorcycles were. 2193 01:35:50,177 --> 01:35:51,906 There's that scene where the car backs up 2194 01:35:52,146 --> 01:35:54,239 and one time I did hit the motorcycle on accident, 2195 01:35:54,482 --> 01:35:56,313 and they were not happy with me. 2196 01:35:56,751 --> 01:35:57,979 One of the first things we shot 2197 01:35:58,219 --> 01:35:59,345 when we started shooting the movie 2198 01:35:59,787 --> 01:36:01,084 was the sequence in the Volkswagen 2199 01:36:01,322 --> 01:36:05,190 and somebody smashes the Volkswagen window out, 2200 01:36:05,426 --> 01:36:08,156 and Larry Zerner looks to the camera and said 2201 01:36:08,395 --> 01:36:10,124 You went too far this time. 2202 01:36:10,364 --> 01:36:12,764 Shelly gets us out of there 2203 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,935 and I think shared experiences, you know, 2204 01:36:16,170 --> 01:36:17,296 Iike that bring people together. 2205 01:36:17,538 --> 01:36:19,096 Shelly: I did it! Did I do it?. 2206 01:36:19,340 --> 01:36:21,274 Vera: Yes, you did it. You were great! 2207 01:36:21,509 --> 01:36:23,272 So there was a scene that was in the original script 2208 01:36:23,511 --> 01:36:25,172 that we never shot 2209 01:36:25,412 --> 01:36:27,903 where the Volkswagen headed down that road 2210 01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:29,116 and then the motorcycle gang got on the motorcycles 2211 01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:31,215 and chased us down. 2212 01:36:31,452 --> 01:36:34,114 And Shelly had a champagne bottle 2213 01:36:34,355 --> 01:36:35,481 that he bought at the store, 2214 01:36:35,923 --> 01:36:37,185 and what he did is he popped the cork 2215 01:36:37,424 --> 01:36:39,221 into their face 2216 01:36:39,460 --> 01:36:41,394 which caused the motorcycle to fly off 2217 01:36:41,829 --> 01:36:43,353 and them to be able to get away. 2218 01:36:43,798 --> 01:36:44,457 And it would have been a whole lot of fun 2219 01:36:44,899 --> 01:36:46,526 but we never shot it. 2220 01:36:46,967 --> 01:36:48,298 And I don't know why. 2221 01:36:48,536 --> 01:36:51,232 One of my favorite shots in the movie 2222 01:36:51,472 --> 01:36:54,873 is when we're going to siphon the gas out of the van 2223 01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:57,873 and that great shot of Tracie Savage 2224 01:36:58,112 --> 01:37:00,273 that goes basically from her behind to me. 2225 01:37:00,514 --> 01:37:03,210 [BARKS LlKE A DOG] 2226 01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:05,077 I love the idea of siphoning gas 2227 01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:06,911 with a lit cigarette. 2228 01:37:07,154 --> 01:37:09,520 It's amazing. The barn's still here. 2229 01:37:09,957 --> 01:37:13,825 Right above is actually where my little body 2230 01:37:14,061 --> 01:37:16,325 was swinging back and forth. 2231 01:37:16,564 --> 01:37:19,533 The swinging part was the scariest part for me 2232 01:37:19,967 --> 01:37:21,832 because they had this harness on me inside my pants 2233 01:37:22,069 --> 01:37:24,367 that were way too tight. 2234 01:37:24,605 --> 01:37:26,800 I was absolutely afraid of heights. 2235 01:37:27,041 --> 01:37:28,941 And I took this as an opportunity 2236 01:37:29,176 --> 01:37:31,576 for me to just face that fear and say 2237 01:37:32,012 --> 01:37:34,344 This feels good! 2238 01:37:34,582 --> 01:37:40,851 Inside is where I so stupidly walked in. 2239 01:37:41,088 --> 01:37:44,546 Amazing. That's where I was pitchforked. 2240 01:37:44,992 --> 01:37:47,961 The stunt coordinator had hooked her up on a wire support 2241 01:37:48,195 --> 01:37:51,130 to the rafters so she was already in position. 2242 01:37:51,365 --> 01:37:54,198 The fork was actually a real pitchfork 2243 01:37:54,435 --> 01:37:57,893 but had the two prongs in the center were collapsible, 2244 01:37:58,138 --> 01:38:00,902 and the hard part was for me to not giggle 2245 01:38:01,141 --> 01:38:03,974 while I was hanging there. 2246 01:38:04,211 --> 01:38:07,977 Same thing for the one biker guy who Jason stabs. 2247 01:38:08,215 --> 01:38:10,410 So we had to cut off the tangs in the back 2248 01:38:10,651 --> 01:38:12,414 and that welded to a plate and put that on his back. 2249 01:38:12,653 --> 01:38:15,213 We needed to get the impact of the pitchfork 2250 01:38:15,456 --> 01:38:18,983 and then be certain that the handle 2251 01:38:19,226 --> 01:38:20,420 was sticking at the direct point of the camera. 2252 01:38:20,661 --> 01:38:22,629 I didn't put up a struggle. 2253 01:38:23,063 --> 01:38:26,260 I didn't, you know I just said "Okay, it's my turn." 2254 01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:29,435 I was a fairly good juggler before being cast in the movie, 2255 01:38:29,670 --> 01:38:32,468 and originally they had asked us to do paddle balls. 2256 01:38:32,907 --> 01:38:34,875 No matter how good you are, 2257 01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:37,100 you can't get the ball to go into the camera. 2258 01:38:37,344 --> 01:38:38,971 The ball goes like that. 2259 01:38:39,213 --> 01:38:40,976 You can'tit won't go into the camera. 2260 01:38:41,215 --> 01:38:42,648 So it just wasn't working with the paddle balls. 2261 01:38:43,083 --> 01:38:44,107 Jeffrey could juggle a little bit, 2262 01:38:44,351 --> 01:38:46,444 and I helped him get a little better 2263 01:38:46,687 --> 01:38:48,951 and so me and Jeff did the juggling scene. 2264 01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:51,350 Later in the film, it is revealed 2265 01:38:51,592 --> 01:38:52,991 that Chris was attacked by Jason several years earlier. 2266 01:38:53,227 --> 01:38:55,559 But for actress Dana Kimmell, 2267 01:38:55,996 --> 01:38:57,554 the implication that her character may have been 2268 01:38:57,998 --> 01:39:01,331 sexually violated by Jason simply went too far. 2269 01:39:01,568 --> 01:39:04,969 He had a knife... and he attacked me with it! 2270 01:39:05,205 --> 01:39:08,265 I came on the set and Dana and Steve 2271 01:39:08,509 --> 01:39:10,909 were arguing about what the character should be like. 2272 01:39:11,145 --> 01:39:13,636 Steve was insisting for a sort of daring girl 2273 01:39:14,081 --> 01:39:17,482 and which she remained in the end. 2274 01:39:17,718 --> 01:39:20,653 But Dana wanted someone that had a certain kind of purity. 2275 01:39:21,088 --> 01:39:22,988 He ran after me. 2276 01:39:23,223 --> 01:39:24,315 He caught me, and he pulled me down to the ground. 2277 01:39:24,558 --> 01:39:26,992 As far as the monologue goes, 2278 01:39:27,227 --> 01:39:29,695 I don't remember all the particulars that go with it, 2279 01:39:30,130 --> 01:39:32,155 but I know I always wanted Chris to be portrayed 2280 01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:33,627 as a very positive character. 2281 01:39:34,068 --> 01:39:35,262 I don't know what happened after that, 2282 01:39:35,502 --> 01:39:37,299 I just don't know! 2283 01:39:37,538 --> 01:39:39,267 In fact, the revelation that she might have been violated 2284 01:39:39,506 --> 01:39:41,167 was the most shocking 2285 01:39:41,408 --> 01:39:43,933 because that scene was a sort of controversial scene. 2286 01:39:44,178 --> 01:39:45,975 "Should we have it, should we not have it??"' 2287 01:39:46,213 --> 01:39:48,579 At any rate, it was something that she won, 2288 01:39:49,016 --> 01:39:50,176 so to speak. 2289 01:39:50,417 --> 01:39:52,681 Dana Kimmell 2290 01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,384 was and is the consummate professional, 2291 01:39:55,622 --> 01:39:57,954 and she worked hard. 2292 01:39:58,192 --> 01:40:00,456 I mean, certainly the movie had a bunch of goofy 2293 01:40:00,694 --> 01:40:03,219 sexuality innuendo in it as it was, 2294 01:40:03,464 --> 01:40:05,261 but I don't think it was hurt by that 2295 01:40:05,499 --> 01:40:07,296 if that was indeed the case. 2296 01:40:07,534 --> 01:40:09,593 The film's true defining moment saw the transformation 2297 01:40:10,037 --> 01:40:11,698 of Jason Voorhees from slasher movie footnote 2298 01:40:12,139 --> 01:40:14,664 into movie monster legend. 2299 01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:17,373 And no one would ever look at a hockey mask 2300 01:40:17,611 --> 01:40:19,579 the same way again. 2301 01:40:20,014 --> 01:40:21,538 In "Friday the 1 3th Part 3," 2302 01:40:21,782 --> 01:40:24,046 Jason wears, for the very first time, 2303 01:40:24,284 --> 01:40:30,519 a hockey mask which he has taken from Shelly. 2304 01:40:30,758 --> 01:40:33,989 You just see Jason suddenly turn up in Shelly's hockey mask. 2305 01:40:34,228 --> 01:40:35,058 So you know that, you know, Shelly's dead. 2306 01:40:35,295 --> 01:40:36,660 He not only has the hockey mask, 2307 01:40:37,097 --> 01:40:38,029 he has another mask that he actually wears 2308 01:40:38,265 --> 01:40:40,495 earlier in the movie. 2309 01:40:40,734 --> 01:40:43,032 He actually thought to bring two masks up to Crystal Lake, 2310 01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:45,261 along with the spear gun and a wetsuit 2311 01:40:45,506 --> 01:40:49,636 and I guess a change of clothes, all in this little bag 2312 01:40:50,077 --> 01:40:52,204 Vera: What do you got in there?. 2313 01:40:52,446 --> 01:40:53,310 Shelly: My whole world. 2314 01:40:53,547 --> 01:40:55,777 This dock behind me, 2315 01:40:56,216 --> 01:40:59,708 this is where the legend of Jason was born. 2316 01:41:00,154 --> 01:41:04,113 This is the first time we saw him step out in the hockey mask. 2317 01:41:04,358 --> 01:41:06,326 The birth of Jason. 2318 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,621 I was never a huge fan of the sack 2319 01:41:11,065 --> 01:41:12,362 because I just felt like 2320 01:41:12,599 --> 01:41:15,295 it didn't have any real substance to it, 2321 01:41:15,536 --> 01:41:21,634 and we wanted something that would mask Jason. 2322 01:41:22,076 --> 01:41:25,045 But at the same time, you know, 2323 01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:26,576 it had to have a level of menace to it. 2324 01:41:26,814 --> 01:41:29,112 Sam Winston made a latex mask. 2325 01:41:29,349 --> 01:41:32,045 And that's what I wore all the way through the movie. 2326 01:41:32,286 --> 01:41:34,277 For some unknown reason they didn't like the mask. 2327 01:41:34,521 --> 01:41:36,284 They thought it looked too much like a monster, 2328 01:41:36,523 --> 01:41:37,683 and so they came up with the idea to cover it 2329 01:41:38,125 --> 01:41:39,752 with a hockey mask. 2330 01:41:40,194 --> 01:41:41,718 I don't think at the time it really struck me, 2331 01:41:42,162 --> 01:41:43,720 when I saw the hockey mask, 2332 01:41:44,164 --> 01:41:46,792 that this was going to just go on and on 2333 01:41:47,234 --> 01:41:49,532 to "Friday the 1 3th Part 1 1 and so on. 2334 01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:52,796 But I can see why. 2335 01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,404 It did kind of create this imposing, ominous character. 2336 01:41:57,644 --> 01:42:00,442 I think the whole hockey mask thing was kind of a fluke. 2337 01:42:00,681 --> 01:42:02,171 I'm not really sure how it came about. 2338 01:42:02,416 --> 01:42:04,407 God, who came up with the hockey mask?. 2339 01:42:04,651 --> 01:42:06,551 I don't really know. 2340 01:42:06,787 --> 01:42:08,755 My recollection was that, you know, 2341 01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:09,814 multiple kinds of masks were brought around 2342 01:42:10,257 --> 01:42:11,781 and so on and so forth, 2343 01:42:12,226 --> 01:42:12,851 and then somebody brought the hockey mask and said, 2344 01:42:13,293 --> 01:42:14,385 "Hockey mask, that's great." 2345 01:42:14,628 --> 01:42:15,720 I think it was Frank that brought the mask. 2346 01:42:16,163 --> 01:42:18,188 I'm sure it was Steven. 2347 01:42:18,432 --> 01:42:21,731 I mean, he was really thoughtful and really knew that genre. 2348 01:42:22,169 --> 01:42:24,364 The one thing that everybody likes to take credit for 2349 01:42:24,605 --> 01:42:26,835 is who put the hockey mask on Jason. 2350 01:42:27,274 --> 01:42:30,675 And I must admit, in modesty, 2351 01:42:30,911 --> 01:42:33,106 that I put the hockey mask on Jason. 2352 01:42:33,347 --> 01:42:36,145 Peter Schindler, Marty Becker 2353 01:42:36,383 --> 01:42:40,376 and Marty Sadoff were all hockey fans... 2354 01:42:40,621 --> 01:42:43,613 and it was their idea to come up with a hockey mask 2355 01:42:43,857 --> 01:42:45,552 to cover the face up. 2356 01:42:45,792 --> 01:42:47,487 Success has a lot of fathers, 2357 01:42:47,728 --> 01:42:49,855 and everybody's willing to take a little bit of credit for it, 2358 01:42:50,297 --> 01:42:52,288 I think, and maybe that's just the best. 2359 01:42:52,533 --> 01:42:54,262 Once we had the mask, it was sort of said, "This is it. 2360 01:42:54,501 --> 01:42:57,698 This is ourthis is our signature piece." 2361 01:42:57,938 --> 01:43:01,339 It's part of the iconography of what this movie is, 2362 01:43:01,575 --> 01:43:05,511 and so I wanted to make sure that we held onto that. 2363 01:43:05,746 --> 01:43:08,840 With the look of its iconic character now fully realized, 2364 01:43:09,283 --> 01:43:12,252 Jason could get back to doing what he does best. 2365 01:43:12,486 --> 01:43:14,681 Hey, now cut that out right now. That's not funny! 2366 01:43:14,922 --> 01:43:16,355 When that spear comes out in the audience, 2367 01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:21,254 everybody is reflexively avoiding that. 2368 01:43:21,495 --> 01:43:22,860 I mean, that was awesome. 2369 01:43:23,297 --> 01:43:26,562 And there was a cable that was actually set up 2370 01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,665 on the post that ran across 2371 01:43:28,902 --> 01:43:30,369 to where she was standing, 2372 01:43:30,604 --> 01:43:33,266 and I basically think, 2373 01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:35,236 kind of was rigged in such a way 2374 01:43:35,475 --> 01:43:37,340 that I actually hooked the gun onto the cable 2375 01:43:37,578 --> 01:43:42,447 and shot it so it went straight down the cable. 2376 01:43:42,683 --> 01:43:45,208 And then we made an acrylic plate that fit over her eyeball. 2377 01:43:45,452 --> 01:43:47,215 We had to do it in one take 2378 01:43:47,454 --> 01:43:49,854 because the minute I hit the water, 2379 01:43:50,290 --> 01:43:53,919 the little prosthetic was kind of spongy, 2380 01:43:54,361 --> 01:43:56,420 and it would absorb the water and just kind of slide off. 2381 01:43:56,663 --> 01:43:57,391 But it was fun. It was really a lot of fun. 2382 01:43:57,631 --> 01:43:59,792 Andy: How do we do it?. 2383 01:44:00,234 --> 01:44:01,667 Debbie: Well, first we take our clothes off. 2384 01:44:01,902 --> 01:44:04,564 For me, the most trying situation 2385 01:44:04,805 --> 01:44:06,705 about making this movie was that I was a kid 2386 01:44:06,940 --> 01:44:08,202 and this was the first movie I had ever done 2387 01:44:08,442 --> 01:44:10,842 without my parent on the set. 2388 01:44:11,278 --> 01:44:13,439 I was 1 8 and I had to do a shower scene 2389 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,409 where there was some frontal nudity. 2390 01:44:15,649 --> 01:44:17,947 In the beginning, I might have been 2391 01:44:18,385 --> 01:44:19,647 a little uncomfortable with it but all these years later, 2392 01:44:19,886 --> 01:44:21,683 I think, 'Wow, I had a pretty nice body.' (laughs) 2393 01:44:21,922 --> 01:44:23,856 Jeffrey Rogers' part in the show 2394 01:44:24,291 --> 01:44:26,885 was he came walking down the hallway on his hands, 2395 01:44:27,327 --> 01:44:29,852 and he's basically wearing just a pair of jeans 2396 01:44:30,297 --> 01:44:32,629 and then Jason shows up with a machete 2397 01:44:32,866 --> 01:44:35,494 and basically splits him in half from the groin down 2398 01:44:35,736 --> 01:44:36,532 through his chest. 2399 01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:40,001 So he splits wide open. 2400 01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:43,307 I mean, that is horrifically gory 2401 01:44:43,543 --> 01:44:45,977 but it's classic Jason. 2402 01:44:46,413 --> 01:44:48,313 And we did a body cast of him in pieces. 2403 01:44:48,548 --> 01:44:50,778 They actually, in the house, 2404 01:44:51,018 --> 01:44:55,546 built a Plexiglas floor that the camera was mounted down inside 2405 01:44:55,789 --> 01:44:56,881 so we could do the shot through the floor, 2406 01:44:57,324 --> 01:44:58,985 up to the ceiling. 2407 01:44:59,426 --> 01:45:02,554 Then, of course, there's the next scene 2408 01:45:02,796 --> 01:45:06,288 where Tracie Savage sees Jeffrey stuffed up in the rafters. 2409 01:45:06,533 --> 01:45:09,297 Even actress Tracie Savage was unaware 2410 01:45:09,536 --> 01:45:11,663 of just how closely her on- screen death 2411 01:45:11,905 --> 01:45:14,931 resembled that of a certain famous, yet ill-fated, character 2412 01:45:15,375 --> 01:45:17,400 from the original "Friday the 1 3th." 2413 01:45:17,644 --> 01:45:20,272 I had no idea that Kevin Bacon and I have so much in common. 2414 01:45:20,514 --> 01:45:22,311 Another six degree separation from Kevin Bacon. 2415 01:45:22,549 --> 01:45:23,379 There you go. 2416 01:45:23,617 --> 01:45:25,050 We died the same way?. 2417 01:45:25,485 --> 01:45:27,612 I was in makeup for 4 hours 2418 01:45:27,854 --> 01:45:29,947 so that they could glue this torso to my neck. 2419 01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:32,324 Then it was lighting for another 2-3 hours. 2420 01:45:32,559 --> 01:45:34,959 All for a 3-second shot. 2421 01:45:35,395 --> 01:45:37,522 And you had to get it right 2422 01:45:37,764 --> 01:45:40,392 because then, if you don't, you gotta do it all over again. 2423 01:45:40,634 --> 01:45:41,601 So we were all kind of on pins and needles. 2424 01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:43,496 I think that line... 2425 01:45:43,737 --> 01:45:45,364 Chris: We would have been there already 2426 01:45:45,605 --> 01:45:46,003 if some people didn't have to go to the bathroom 2427 01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:48,340 every five minutes. 2428 01:45:48,575 --> 01:45:49,667 Debbie: That's what happens when you're pregnant. 2429 01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:54,074 was put in there just to make the teenage kids go...ooh. 2430 01:45:54,514 --> 01:45:55,708 and then when I'm killed make it even more grisly and awful. 2431 01:45:55,949 --> 01:45:58,417 This is a pregnant woman. 2432 01:45:58,652 --> 01:46:00,483 There was never a death scene filmed for Shelly. 2433 01:46:00,721 --> 01:46:02,086 It was always--that's exactly how it was in the script. 2434 01:46:02,522 --> 01:46:03,420 I guess you're supposed to think, well, 2435 01:46:03,657 --> 01:46:04,919 maybe he's joking again?. 2436 01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:07,418 Nice make-up job. 2437 01:46:07,661 --> 01:46:09,959 Although obviously the audience knows he's not joking 2438 01:46:10,397 --> 01:46:11,728 because they've seen Jason kill a bunch of people. 2439 01:46:11,965 --> 01:46:13,455 I think I did the first take, 2440 01:46:13,700 --> 01:46:15,361 and I think I heard some people chuckling. 2441 01:46:15,602 --> 01:46:16,933 They were like - they were like, 'That's bad.' 2442 01:46:17,371 --> 01:46:19,100 I was like-- that all got into my head. 2443 01:46:19,539 --> 01:46:21,700 It's not the greatest death scene in the world. 2444 01:46:21,942 --> 01:46:23,534 Well, I don't know what's going on, 2445 01:46:23,777 --> 01:46:25,039 but I'm gonna go outside and take a look around. 2446 01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:26,844 I think my favorite kill was probably 2447 01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,547 Rick getting his eye popped out. 2448 01:46:28,782 --> 01:46:30,113 They did change the name of the character. 2449 01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:32,450 In the original script it was Derek, 2450 01:46:32,686 --> 01:46:33,846 and the reason why they changed it 2451 01:46:34,087 --> 01:46:36,578 was at the end of the film when I go outside, 2452 01:46:36,823 --> 01:46:38,814 and I get killed, 2453 01:46:39,059 --> 01:46:41,994 and she comes out and starts yelling the name out, 2454 01:46:42,429 --> 01:46:45,057 that they wanted a monosyllabic name for her to say. 2455 01:46:45,499 --> 01:46:46,830 Rick?.! 2456 01:46:47,067 --> 01:46:48,591 You know, of course, 2457 01:46:48,835 --> 01:46:50,826 the death that my character experienced, 2458 01:46:51,071 --> 01:46:52,902 me getting my head crushed, 2459 01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:56,667 was I mean, this was, yeah, that's historic. 2460 01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:59,674 I just remember when Paul's eyeball popped out, 2461 01:46:59,913 --> 01:47:01,904 the whole audience just screamed at that one and it was like, 2462 01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:03,639 Oh, that's great. 2463 01:47:03,884 --> 01:47:05,374 Technically, it was very hard to do, 2464 01:47:05,619 --> 01:47:06,677 and it was one of those things 2465 01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:08,114 you only had one chance of doing it, 2466 01:47:08,555 --> 01:47:11,718 especially the 3D effect. 2467 01:47:11,958 --> 01:47:15,758 Well, in actuality we did the Paul Kratka head twice. 2468 01:47:15,996 --> 01:47:18,487 I was actually playing with a bunch of stuff 2469 01:47:18,732 --> 01:47:20,996 trying to figure out how to make and collapse the head properly. 2470 01:47:21,435 --> 01:47:23,130 Anytime they wanted to, we could just pull the string 2471 01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:25,595 and the eye would pop out of the socket 2472 01:47:25,839 --> 01:47:27,773 and come straight down the line toward camera. 2473 01:47:28,008 --> 01:47:31,102 The last part of the filming was basically Jason and Chris. 2474 01:47:31,545 --> 01:47:32,910 (Chris screams) 2475 01:47:33,146 --> 01:47:35,171 And a lot of night shooting. 2476 01:47:35,615 --> 01:47:37,708 She runs up the stairs, and I'm at the bottom of the stairs 2477 01:47:37,951 --> 01:47:39,612 and she tips the bookcase up on top of me. 2478 01:47:39,853 --> 01:47:41,844 And I have to say that hurt like hell. 2479 01:47:42,088 --> 01:47:45,489 It's Dana who finds me in the closet later on 2480 01:47:45,725 --> 01:47:46,851 with the knife sticking out of my neck 2481 01:47:47,093 --> 01:47:48,993 after I've already been killed. 2482 01:47:49,229 --> 01:47:50,958 It was an easy day. I didn't have to memorize any lines. 2483 01:47:51,198 --> 01:47:53,564 When he's breaking down that door, 2484 01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:55,859 and the whole thing where he gets stabbed in the hand 2485 01:47:56,102 --> 01:47:57,865 and stabbed in the leg, those are intense moments. 2486 01:47:58,104 --> 01:48:00,470 I mean, those grip you 2487 01:48:00,707 --> 01:48:04,143 because then it becomes him not so much a monster 2488 01:48:04,578 --> 01:48:08,605 as a human who has monstrous capabilities. 2489 01:48:08,849 --> 01:48:09,838 And then I chased her up the stairs, 2490 01:48:10,083 --> 01:48:11,516 and she went in through the bedroom window 2491 01:48:11,751 --> 01:48:13,013 and went out the window. 2492 01:48:13,253 --> 01:48:14,777 Then she tried to run away in the car, 2493 01:48:15,021 --> 01:48:16,147 and the car ran out of gas on the bridge. 2494 01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:18,217 No!! 2495 01:48:18,658 --> 01:48:20,649 I think I kept in shape doing that film. 2496 01:48:20,894 --> 01:48:23,021 There were -- there was a time or two 2497 01:48:23,263 --> 01:48:25,128 where I was running through the woods 2498 01:48:25,565 --> 01:48:27,089 right after the scene where he grabs me in the van, 2499 01:48:27,534 --> 01:48:29,502 and, you know, breaks the window with his head, 2500 01:48:29,736 --> 01:48:31,101 and I bolt out the other side. 2501 01:48:31,538 --> 01:48:34,701 There's a place where I run and fall, 2502 01:48:34,941 --> 01:48:37,535 and actually when I did that, I didn't get hurt 2503 01:48:37,777 --> 01:48:41,474 but people in the cast-- in the crew were just gasping 2504 01:48:41,715 --> 01:48:42,875 because they thought I had really fallen 2505 01:48:43,116 --> 01:48:44,743 and smacked my face. 2506 01:48:44,985 --> 01:48:46,782 So that was good. 2507 01:48:47,020 --> 01:48:48,885 When I went into the barn after her, 2508 01:48:49,122 --> 01:48:52,614 you know, it was--Steve and l had obviously spoken about it, 2509 01:48:52,859 --> 01:48:56,590 and Jason at this point is now really angry 2510 01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:58,491 because he hasn't managed to do what he wanted to do 2511 01:48:58,732 --> 01:48:59,790 and that was kill her. 2512 01:49:00,033 --> 01:49:04,026 And so, he just said, you know, 2513 01:49:04,271 --> 01:49:06,967 we don't need the barn anymore so just tear it up. 2514 01:49:07,207 --> 01:49:10,108 So I grabbed whatever I could and smashed whatever I could. 2515 01:49:10,544 --> 01:49:13,104 But then the scene in the barn on the beam, 2516 01:49:13,547 --> 01:49:15,014 I actually did that and shimmied out 2517 01:49:15,248 --> 01:49:16,545 and that was, you know, I don't know, 2518 01:49:16,783 --> 01:49:18,273 20 feet above the ground, 2519 01:49:18,718 --> 01:49:20,083 and I ended up with some bruises from that one, 2520 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,550 but I turned out okay. 2521 01:49:22,789 --> 01:49:24,654 Jason gets pushed out of the barn, 2522 01:49:24,891 --> 01:49:26,882 and he's hanging and the mask has to come off, 2523 01:49:27,127 --> 01:49:29,960 and she sees his face for the first time 2524 01:49:30,196 --> 01:49:32,994 and recognizes who he is. - It's you! 2525 01:49:33,233 --> 01:49:35,224 We had a mold of Richard Brooker's head, 2526 01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:38,900 and we wanted the axe to be able to stick, 2527 01:49:39,139 --> 01:49:41,266 so that's why we used the rigid polyfoam 2528 01:49:41,708 --> 01:49:43,005 so the axe had something to stick into. 2529 01:49:43,243 --> 01:49:46,041 There wasn't that much makeup until the dream sequence. 2530 01:49:46,279 --> 01:49:48,679 I used to have to go in and do about 6, 2531 01:49:48,915 --> 01:49:50,940 sometimes 7 hours of makeup. 2532 01:49:51,184 --> 01:49:53,152 And it was 1 1 different appliances 2533 01:49:53,587 --> 01:49:54,281 that they glued to my face, 2534 01:49:54,721 --> 01:49:56,951 with the one eye lower down, 2535 01:49:57,190 --> 01:49:58,680 you know, and certain teeth and the whole thing. 2536 01:49:58,925 --> 01:50:00,859 It was awfully painful. 2537 01:50:01,094 --> 01:50:02,891 I mean, he had to be in that make-up for like 6 hours, 2538 01:50:03,129 --> 01:50:05,029 and it was hot and sweaty. 2539 01:50:05,265 --> 01:50:09,725 And you could see that he was very uncomfortable. 2540 01:50:09,970 --> 01:50:11,961 The bad part about it was that as soon as they finished, 2541 01:50:12,205 --> 01:50:15,231 it was usually lunch time, and I couldn't eat. 2542 01:50:15,675 --> 01:50:17,199 So they used to give me Tiger's Milk through a straw 2543 01:50:17,644 --> 01:50:19,168 so I would get some nourishment for the day. 2544 01:50:19,613 --> 01:50:21,706 We shot the ending twice. 2545 01:50:21,948 --> 01:50:24,781 We actually did another ending. 2546 01:50:25,018 --> 01:50:28,010 Dana Kimmell comes up to the door of the house in a dream, 2547 01:50:28,254 --> 01:50:31,189 and Jason comes through the front door and decapitates her. 2548 01:50:31,625 --> 01:50:34,253 And that was just an alternate ending 2549 01:50:34,694 --> 01:50:34,716 that somewhere along the lines somebody came up with. 2550 01:50:34,928 --> 01:50:37,294 It was a very quick thing. 2551 01:50:37,731 --> 01:50:39,289 It wasn't something that, you know, 2552 01:50:39,733 --> 01:50:41,030 we knew was going to happen in advance. 2553 01:50:41,267 --> 01:50:42,928 It was just kind of one of those added scenes 2554 01:50:43,169 --> 01:50:44,932 that they said let's just do this real quick. 2555 01:50:45,171 --> 01:50:49,198 It was only when we did the infamous alternate ending 2556 01:50:49,643 --> 01:50:51,838 that you really started to see his face 2557 01:50:52,078 --> 01:50:53,340 and that's what they didn't like, 2558 01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:55,270 and that's why the alternate ending 2559 01:50:55,715 --> 01:50:57,080 was totally scrapped out of the movie. 2560 01:50:57,317 --> 01:50:59,945 So we made the mask. We sculpted it. 2561 01:51:00,186 --> 01:51:03,087 Then they came up with the new dream sequence 2562 01:51:03,323 --> 01:51:07,817 that Jason's at the house, 2563 01:51:08,061 --> 01:51:09,653 and she sees him at the top window 2564 01:51:09,896 --> 01:51:11,193 and then comes down and blasts through the door. 2565 01:51:11,431 --> 01:51:14,889 Steve Miner said that he wanted this creature 2566 01:51:15,135 --> 01:51:16,102 to come out of the lake as if it was Mrs. Voorhees 2567 01:51:16,336 --> 01:51:18,304 who had been down there for awhile. 2568 01:51:18,738 --> 01:51:19,363 I have no idea how she got her body back, 2569 01:51:19,806 --> 01:51:21,137 but it's a dream. 2570 01:51:21,374 --> 01:51:23,342 They gave us Marilyn Poucher and just said, 2571 01:51:23,777 --> 01:51:26,746 "She's your guinea pig. Use her." 2572 01:51:26,980 --> 01:51:28,277 Little did she know what she was in for. 2573 01:51:28,715 --> 01:51:29,943 Once we started doing the makeup, 2574 01:51:30,183 --> 01:51:31,810 it took about 6 hours, 2575 01:51:32,052 --> 01:51:32,814 and I remember just sort of like, 2576 01:51:33,053 --> 01:51:34,281 falling asleep at certain times. 2577 01:51:34,721 --> 01:51:36,689 It was just downright horrible 2578 01:51:36,923 --> 01:51:40,256 because the water was just full of mosquito larvae 2579 01:51:40,694 --> 01:51:43,322 and baby frogs and tadpoles. 2580 01:51:43,763 --> 01:51:46,129 It was just like-- oh, it was pretty nasty. 2581 01:51:46,366 --> 01:51:49,028 Covered her in river slime and vinyl worms, 2582 01:51:49,269 --> 01:51:50,395 and the rest is history. 2583 01:51:50,837 --> 01:51:54,933 [Chris screams] 2584 01:51:55,175 --> 01:51:58,110 So this is the actual mask that was done of my skin. 2585 01:51:58,344 --> 01:52:01,313 It's a little, a little-- oh, here's a worm. (laughs) 2586 01:52:01,748 --> 01:52:02,715 Luckily they were able to cut it off, 2587 01:52:02,949 --> 01:52:04,712 and we peeled it off 2588 01:52:04,951 --> 01:52:06,043 because then I had to do the shot three more times. 2589 01:52:06,286 --> 01:52:08,254 While not as deliberately ambiguous 2590 01:52:08,488 --> 01:52:10,012 as the ending of "Part 2," 2591 01:52:10,256 --> 01:52:11,314 the film's conclusion suggests 2592 01:52:11,758 --> 01:52:13,089 that the door has again been left open 2593 01:52:13,326 --> 01:52:15,157 for the return of Jason. 2594 01:52:15,395 --> 01:52:18,228 But what of the fate of traumatized Chris Higgins 2595 01:52:18,465 --> 01:52:21,127 who was never seen or heard from again?. 2596 01:52:21,367 --> 01:52:23,699 I would say Chris has recovered. 2597 01:52:23,937 --> 01:52:26,963 Even though she drove away looking like she was losing it 2598 01:52:27,207 --> 01:52:28,731 there in the back of the cop car, 2599 01:52:28,975 --> 01:52:30,067 I think that she was strong enough 2600 01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:34,076 to recover and move on. 2601 01:52:34,314 --> 01:52:37,943 And that's the way I wanted to portray that character, 2602 01:52:38,184 --> 01:52:40,812 as a survivor, and I think Chris did that. 2603 01:52:41,054 --> 01:52:43,318 (Screams) 2604 01:52:43,757 --> 01:52:45,384 A new dimension in terror. 2605 01:52:45,825 --> 01:52:48,293 It will scare you! 2606 01:52:48,528 --> 01:52:52,362 "Friday the 1 3th Part 3" was released on August 1 3, 1 982 2607 01:52:52,799 --> 01:52:54,733 with Paramount spending millions of dollars 2608 01:52:54,968 --> 01:52:56,458 to equip theaters with the new technology 2609 01:52:56,903 --> 01:52:58,495 required to show the 3D film. 2610 01:52:58,938 --> 01:53:00,906 Their investment quickly paid off 2611 01:53:01,141 --> 01:53:03,132 when the film managed 2612 01:53:03,376 --> 01:53:05,105 to knock the year's reigning box office champion, 2613 01:53:05,345 --> 01:53:09,441 Steven Spielberg's "E.T.," from the #1 spot. 2614 01:53:09,883 --> 01:53:13,512 With a final U.S. take of $36.7 million, 2615 01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:15,944 "Friday the 1 3th Part 3" 2616 01:53:16,189 --> 01:53:19,215 ushered in a new wave of 3D films in the 1 980s. 2617 01:53:19,459 --> 01:53:22,019 And remains one of the most profitable installments 2618 01:53:22,262 --> 01:53:23,752 of the franchise. 2619 01:53:23,997 --> 01:53:30,300 I believe the choice to do this in 3D 2620 01:53:30,537 --> 01:53:32,368 was really risky but, in retrospect, 2621 01:53:32,806 --> 01:53:34,501 it was brilliant. 2622 01:53:34,941 --> 01:53:38,240 "Friday the 1 3th Part 3" was the first big hit 3D movie 2623 01:53:38,478 --> 01:53:40,912 of the 80s and the audience was just screaming. 2624 01:53:41,147 --> 01:53:43,012 And we made our money back 2625 01:53:43,249 --> 01:53:47,015 before the first matinee show in Los Angeles. 2626 01:53:47,253 --> 01:53:49,847 And I find that very rewarding, 2627 01:53:50,089 --> 01:53:52,557 and it's been great being able to meet people 2628 01:53:52,992 --> 01:53:54,016 that appreciate and have enjoyed those films 2629 01:53:54,260 --> 01:53:56,990 from back then. 2630 01:53:57,230 --> 01:53:59,198 Actress Tracie Savage went on to a successful career 2631 01:53:59,432 --> 01:54:00,558 as a broadcast journalist. 2632 01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,230 Best known for her coverage 2633 01:54:03,469 --> 01:54:05,903 of the sensational OJ Simpson murder trial in 1 995. 2634 01:54:06,139 --> 01:54:08,300 As a news reporter 2635 01:54:08,541 --> 01:54:09,940 in different markets all across the country, 2636 01:54:10,176 --> 01:54:11,108 people knew where to find me. 2637 01:54:11,344 --> 01:54:13,244 They'd see me on the air 2638 01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,379 and every newsroom I've ever worked in, 2639 01:54:15,615 --> 01:54:17,879 I've always gotten fan mail from "Friday the 1 3th" fans. 2640 01:54:18,117 --> 01:54:20,176 And I still do. I still do. 2641 01:54:20,420 --> 01:54:22,285 Part of the charm of the movies are, is that, 2642 01:54:22,522 --> 01:54:24,251 you know, it really invited people to engage. 2643 01:54:24,490 --> 01:54:28,256 It really invited people to go out, have fun. 2644 01:54:28,494 --> 01:54:33,557 And when we did that film, at the time 2645 01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,365 that was going to be the last "Friday the 1 3th." 2646 01:54:35,602 --> 01:54:38,036 At the wrap party, Frank Mancuso declared 2647 01:54:38,271 --> 01:54:39,260 that he was not going to produce another one. 2648 01:54:39,505 --> 01:54:41,336 This is the permanent death. 2649 01:54:41,574 --> 01:54:42,939 We're not going to do this again. 2650 01:54:43,176 --> 01:54:44,837 This is it. He's dead. 2651 01:54:45,078 --> 01:54:47,342 They really stressed the fact 2652 01:54:47,580 --> 01:54:48,569 that they wanted to make sure that I had killed Jason 2653 01:54:49,015 --> 01:55:01,394 because that was going to be it. 2654 01:55:01,394 --> 01:55:17,937 because that was going to be it. 2655 01:55:18,177 --> 01:55:20,338 When Paramount announced a fourth 'Friday the 1 3th" 2656 01:55:20,580 --> 01:55:22,104 at the end of 1 983, 2657 01:55:22,348 --> 01:55:24,282 producer Frank Mancuso, Jr. 2658 01:55:24,517 --> 01:55:25,984 was feeling the critical backlash 2659 01:55:26,219 --> 01:55:27,516 against slasher films. 2660 01:55:27,954 --> 01:55:29,979 And 'Friday the 1 3th" in particular. 2661 01:55:30,223 --> 01:55:32,316 He decided it was time to kill off Jason 2662 01:55:32,558 --> 01:55:34,549 once and for all. 2663 01:55:34,994 --> 01:55:36,484 When we got done with 3, 2664 01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:39,057 I was like, "Okay, 2665 01:55:39,299 --> 01:55:41,563 what I want to do now is l really want to bring this thing 2666 01:55:42,001 --> 01:55:44,128 to an effective close." 2667 01:55:44,370 --> 01:55:45,667 With the departure of Steve Miner, 2668 01:55:46,105 --> 01:55:48,403 Mancuso and investor Phil Scuderi 2669 01:55:48,641 --> 01:55:50,006 set their sights on finding a new director. 2670 01:55:50,243 --> 01:55:53,041 Their search led them to Joseph Zito, 2671 01:55:53,279 --> 01:55:55,213 who had impressed Scuderi with his 1 981 slasher film, 2672 01:55:55,448 --> 01:55:56,972 "The Prowler." 2673 01:55:57,216 --> 01:55:58,649 With an early draft of the script 2674 01:55:59,085 --> 01:56:01,645 written by the late Bruce Hidemi Sakow, 2675 01:56:02,088 --> 01:56:05,922 the filmmakers set out to make the best and "final" chapter. 2676 01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:07,387 The people at Paramount said this to me. 2677 01:56:07,627 --> 01:56:08,252 They weren't going to do any more films 2678 01:56:08,494 --> 01:56:09,961 and this was the last. 2679 01:56:10,196 --> 01:56:12,596 So I knew that it would be book ended 2680 01:56:13,032 --> 01:56:15,330 with a dead Jason and another dead Jason, 2681 01:56:15,568 --> 01:56:17,433 you know, at the end. 2682 01:56:17,670 --> 01:56:19,228 We'll do some things that refer to our past. 2683 01:56:19,472 --> 01:56:22,202 Jason's out there. 2684 01:56:22,442 --> 01:56:26,276 We'll bring this thing to its rightful conclusion. 2685 01:56:26,512 --> 01:56:27,604 Noooo! 2686 01:56:28,047 --> 01:56:29,014 And we'll be done. 2687 01:56:29,248 --> 01:56:31,045 So the idea for the last movie, 2688 01:56:31,284 --> 01:56:33,718 which we thought "The Final Chapter" was, 2689 01:56:34,153 --> 01:56:38,613 was just to resurrect Jason one more time 2690 01:56:39,058 --> 01:56:41,083 and then kill him in a way where the film grammar 2691 01:56:41,327 --> 01:56:43,192 said he's really dead. 2692 01:56:43,429 --> 01:56:46,728 I wanted to pick it up exactly where Friday 3 left off. 2693 01:56:47,166 --> 01:56:51,193 That he was on the ground just exactly where you had left him. 2694 01:56:51,437 --> 01:56:55,601 We crane down on a bunch of police cars arriving, 2695 01:56:56,042 --> 01:56:58,442 helicopter has a searchlight. 2696 01:56:58,678 --> 01:57:00,168 You know, gives you kind of a big-budget feel 2697 01:57:00,413 --> 01:57:02,506 and very dramatic opening. 2698 01:57:02,749 --> 01:57:04,614 I held off Jason coming to life for a long time 2699 01:57:05,051 --> 01:57:07,110 in the film. 2700 01:57:07,353 --> 01:57:09,446 The audience is continuously on edge through these kind 2701 01:57:09,689 --> 01:57:11,680 of languorous, elegant shots. 2702 01:57:12,125 --> 01:57:15,424 When is Jason going to re-awaken?. 2703 01:57:15,661 --> 01:57:18,596 The audience certainly is not going to believe he's dead, 2704 01:57:19,032 --> 01:57:22,160 but they become co-conspirators in bringing him to life. 2705 01:57:22,402 --> 01:57:24,563 They start yelling at the screen for him to get up. 2706 01:57:24,804 --> 01:57:27,204 So instead of groaning that he gets up too soon, 2707 01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,000 and they say, aw, this is fake, they make him get up. 2708 01:57:30,243 --> 01:57:32,609 As Jason's put into the freezer, 2709 01:57:33,046 --> 01:57:36,482 we see a little puff of air so we get the first hint 2710 01:57:36,716 --> 01:57:41,153 that Jason is not dead. 2711 01:57:41,387 --> 01:57:45,084 Once again, the producers chose to recast the role of Jason. 2712 01:57:45,324 --> 01:57:47,519 This time turning to a rough trade Hollywood veteran 2713 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,490 to don the hockey mask. 2714 01:57:50,730 --> 01:57:52,357 Regarding the actor to play Jason, 2715 01:57:52,598 --> 01:57:55,158 I wanted to go with a really experienced Hollywood stuntman 2716 01:57:55,401 --> 01:57:57,528 and Ted White was a very-- 2717 01:57:57,770 --> 01:58:00,261 he had doubled famous, you know, Hollwood actors. 2718 01:58:00,506 --> 01:58:03,236 He was an older guy, way older, 2719 01:58:03,476 --> 01:58:04,568 twice the age, almost three times the age 2720 01:58:04,811 --> 01:58:06,142 of some of the kids he was killing. 2721 01:58:06,379 --> 01:58:07,607 I actually turned it down to begin with 2722 01:58:07,847 --> 01:58:09,212 and later on I did accept it. 2723 01:58:09,449 --> 01:58:11,713 After I accepted it, I did go down 2724 01:58:12,151 --> 01:58:13,743 and rent two of the Jasons, 2725 01:58:14,187 --> 01:58:16,348 and I watched Jason itself, 2726 01:58:16,589 --> 01:58:18,523 how he moved and so forth. 2727 01:58:18,758 --> 01:58:21,056 And I felt that I'd like to play him a little bit different. 2728 01:58:21,294 --> 01:58:23,262 I'd like for him to move a little bit different. 2729 01:58:23,496 --> 01:58:25,464 I didn't want that slow motion routine anymore, 2730 01:58:25,698 --> 01:58:27,598 and I thought that if this is the final chapter, 2731 01:58:27,834 --> 01:58:29,131 then that's the way I'd like to take it out. 2732 01:58:29,368 --> 01:58:31,393 He has a sense of dramatic timing 2733 01:58:31,637 --> 01:58:34,299 that other Jasons, you know, maybe didn't think about 2734 01:58:34,540 --> 01:58:37,168 in the same way because they didn't have 40 years experience 2735 01:58:37,410 --> 01:58:39,378 of being before the camera. 2736 01:58:39,612 --> 01:58:41,671 There was a nurse there that I'm supposed to strangle, 2737 01:58:42,115 --> 01:58:44,208 and when I shoved her up against the wall, 2738 01:58:44,450 --> 01:58:46,213 she had a button on the back of her cap, 2739 01:58:46,452 --> 01:58:48,511 and when her head hit the wall, 2740 01:58:48,754 --> 01:58:50,381 the button kind of penetrated her head just a little bit, 2741 01:58:50,623 --> 01:58:52,250 and she yelled out. 2742 01:58:52,492 --> 01:58:54,323 These are the times when you back up 2743 01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:55,458 and say you're not really Jason, you know. 2744 01:58:55,695 --> 01:58:57,686 You're just doing a thing here. 2745 01:58:58,131 --> 01:59:00,497 You're supposed to be making a few bucks and not hurt anybody. 2746 01:59:00,733 --> 01:59:02,826 You know, this is not a guy who was waiting his whole life, 2747 01:59:03,269 --> 01:59:04,395 he's not a fan of "Friday the 1 3th," 2748 01:59:04,637 --> 01:59:05,467 and someone who was waiting for the opportunity 2749 01:59:05,705 --> 01:59:07,138 to be in 'Friday the 1 3th." 2750 01:59:07,373 --> 01:59:10,570 It's a guy who came to work and had to put a mask on 2751 01:59:10,810 --> 01:59:12,607 and had to put fake teeth in that made him drool 2752 01:59:12,845 --> 01:59:13,869 and was embarrassed by the entire thing, 2753 01:59:14,313 --> 01:59:15,575 was happy that you couldn't see his face. 2754 01:59:15,815 --> 01:59:18,841 The job of creating the film's bloody make-up effects 2755 01:59:19,285 --> 01:59:21,116 initially went to future Oscar winner Greg Cannom. 2756 01:59:21,354 --> 01:59:23,254 But when Cannom left the project 2757 01:59:23,489 --> 01:59:26,253 due to 'personality differences,' 2758 01:59:26,492 --> 01:59:29,723 director Joe Zito called upon the one man 2759 01:59:30,163 --> 01:59:32,723 who could rightfully be called Jason's father. 2760 01:59:33,166 --> 01:59:33,894 It's almost like I'm Dr. Frankenstein. 2761 01:59:34,333 --> 01:59:36,301 I created the monster. 2762 01:59:36,536 --> 01:59:40,267 Thank you for letting me kill the monster, which I did. 2763 01:59:40,506 --> 01:59:42,599 Tom Savini did a wonderful job, I thought, of makeup. 2764 01:59:42,842 --> 01:59:45,208 And that was a 4 1 /2 hour makeup job every morning. 2765 01:59:45,444 --> 01:59:47,173 I actually replaced a makeup artist 2766 01:59:47,413 --> 01:59:49,472 on "The Final Chapter," 2767 01:59:49,715 --> 01:59:51,444 and luckily, that's what they were doing. 2768 01:59:51,684 --> 01:59:53,811 They were designing the adult Jason 2769 01:59:54,253 --> 01:59:56,585 from my makeup design on the kid, 2770 01:59:56,822 --> 01:59:58,619 which is only logical I would think, you know, 2771 01:59:58,858 --> 02:00:01,224 so I was glad they were doing it, 2772 02:00:01,460 --> 02:00:01,892 but I had nothing to do with the design, you know. 2773 02:00:02,328 --> 02:00:04,319 They did a very good job. 2774 02:00:04,564 --> 02:00:05,588 It's funny that in all of our conversations 2775 02:00:05,831 --> 02:00:07,492 about Jason coming back to life, 2776 02:00:07,733 --> 02:00:09,462 nobody ever used the word zombie--ever. 2777 02:00:09,702 --> 02:00:11,431 We never heard it. 2778 02:00:11,671 --> 02:00:14,435 We knew you couldn't exactly kill him, 2779 02:00:14,674 --> 02:00:19,236 and he would always be coming back to life. 2780 02:00:19,478 --> 02:00:21,571 So it's sort of like he just wouldn't die. 2781 02:00:21,814 --> 02:00:23,281 You can't be alive! 2782 02:00:23,516 --> 02:00:25,575 After escaping from the morgue, 2783 02:00:25,818 --> 02:00:28,685 Jason returns to his familiar slayground at Crystal Lake 2784 02:00:28,921 --> 02:00:31,287 Where he quickly sets his sights on the Jarvis family. 2785 02:00:31,524 --> 02:00:33,754 A recently divorced mother, 2786 02:00:33,993 --> 02:00:36,257 a pretty-yet-reserved teenage daughter, 2787 02:00:36,495 --> 02:00:39,623 and a very special boy named Tommy. 2788 02:00:39,865 --> 02:00:41,696 I remember walking into the casting office 2789 02:00:41,934 --> 02:00:43,697 and going "Friday the 1 3th?. " 2790 02:00:43,936 --> 02:00:45,369 I thought this was for "Halloween." 2791 02:00:45,605 --> 02:00:47,630 and they were like, "No, no, no. 2792 02:00:47,873 --> 02:00:49,306 It's 'Friday the 13th." 2793 02:00:49,542 --> 02:00:51,237 And I was like, "Oh, right, of course. I knew that." 2794 02:00:51,477 --> 02:00:53,809 Corey walked in there, and he was so alive, 2795 02:00:54,247 --> 02:00:58,479 and so friendly and he and l, just we clicked. 2796 02:00:58,718 --> 02:01:01,243 I went, I did my audition and then at the end of it, 2797 02:01:01,487 --> 02:01:03,955 I remember my mom telling me like, "Okay, 2798 02:01:04,390 --> 02:01:06,290 they really liked you a lot but they have some concerns." 2799 02:01:06,525 --> 02:01:08,550 And I said, "What are the concerns?. " 2800 02:01:08,794 --> 02:01:10,785 And she said, 'Well, they just think you're too small, 2801 02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:12,622 and, you know, it's not very believable 2802 02:01:12,865 --> 02:01:14,730 that this little tiny kid 2803 02:01:14,967 --> 02:01:16,832 is going to pick up the machete and, you know, 2804 02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:20,603 whack the hell out of this 6 foot 5 bad guy. 2805 02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:24,606 And I went, "Give me a machete. Let's give it a shot." (Laughs) 2806 02:01:24,844 --> 02:01:26,539 And I think that was the end of it. 2807 02:01:26,779 --> 02:01:29,839 You could see with Corey. You really could. 2808 02:01:30,283 --> 02:01:31,545 This young man was going to skyrocket. 2809 02:01:31,784 --> 02:01:33,752 And I remember it was a very big deal 2810 02:01:33,986 --> 02:01:34,975 because "Gremlins" and "Friday" were both coming out 2811 02:01:35,421 --> 02:01:37,412 pretty much over the same summer, 2812 02:01:37,657 --> 02:01:38,487 within a couple weeks of each other 2813 02:01:38,724 --> 02:01:39,782 from what I remember, 2814 02:01:40,026 --> 02:01:42,722 so that was very exciting as a kid 2815 02:01:42,962 --> 02:01:44,896 to have these two giant blockbusters coming out. 2816 02:01:45,331 --> 02:01:48,664 I think Kimberly and Corey and l got along well 2817 02:01:48,901 --> 02:01:50,801 because they're just nice people. 2818 02:01:51,037 --> 02:01:53,369 A Jarvis Sandwich! 2819 02:01:53,606 --> 02:01:56,575 I did a lot of work about the parents being divorced 2820 02:01:56,809 --> 02:01:58,674 and then I was going to protect my brother, 2821 02:01:58,911 --> 02:02:01,709 that I would take care of him emotionally, 2822 02:02:01,947 --> 02:02:04,973 and that, you know, we were going to make it as a family 2823 02:02:05,418 --> 02:02:07,352 without my dad. 2824 02:02:07,586 --> 02:02:10,282 Trish: My parents are separated. You know, middle-aged crazies. 2825 02:02:10,523 --> 02:02:13,583 And I do remember her doing a lot of, kind of, 2826 02:02:13,826 --> 02:02:15,817 Iooking after me, making sure that I was taken care of. 2827 02:02:16,062 --> 02:02:18,053 She was kind of the person 2828 02:02:18,497 --> 02:02:19,964 that I think I could probably relate to most. 2829 02:02:20,399 --> 02:02:22,390 I at least felt that it was a real connection. 2830 02:02:22,635 --> 02:02:24,762 As much as I could bring to that role, 2831 02:02:25,004 --> 02:02:26,835 I wanted to bring to it. 2832 02:02:27,073 --> 02:02:28,973 There was thought about making 2833 02:02:29,408 --> 02:02:32,639 the surviving characters outsiders. 2834 02:02:32,878 --> 02:02:37,042 So Trish isn't really one of the guys. 2835 02:02:37,483 --> 02:02:38,973 She's an outsider. 2836 02:02:39,418 --> 02:02:40,851 She's not ready to become part of the party, 2837 02:02:41,087 --> 02:02:42,384 or the party doesn't want her. 2838 02:02:42,621 --> 02:02:44,418 Tommy's an outsider, like Jason. 2839 02:02:44,657 --> 02:02:46,591 Tommy's a kid that doesn't fit in. 2840 02:02:46,826 --> 02:02:48,589 I argue that one of the reasons Tommy Jarvis 2841 02:02:48,828 --> 02:02:50,090 has been as popular as he's been 2842 02:02:50,529 --> 02:02:52,724 is because that was a very relatable character 2843 02:02:52,965 --> 02:02:54,762 to the core audience in these movies 2844 02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:57,594 that they could very easily see themselves in 2845 02:02:57,837 --> 02:02:59,998 and ultimately sort of the challenges that he has, 2846 02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:02,407 the kind of outsider kid who's a little bit freaky. 2847 02:03:02,641 --> 02:03:05,474 He's got hobbies that maybe not everybody approves of per se. 2848 02:03:05,711 --> 02:03:08,578 At a roadside cemetery, the gravesite of Mrs. Voorhees, 2849 02:03:08,814 --> 02:03:12,978 and her first name, are revealed for the first time ever. 2850 02:03:13,419 --> 02:03:15,114 I found out her name was Pamela, 2851 02:03:15,554 --> 02:03:17,784 I guess about 1 0 years after I did the film. 2852 02:03:18,023 --> 02:03:19,752 I didn't know. 2853 02:03:19,992 --> 02:03:24,122 Of course we were aware putting a mother character in the film 2854 02:03:24,563 --> 02:03:29,933 that fans who knew "Part 1 " would think about that. 2855 02:03:30,169 --> 02:03:33,935 That idea of Joe giving me a hint 2856 02:03:34,173 --> 02:03:36,539 that maybe I should look sinister 2857 02:03:36,776 --> 02:03:38,004 when I looked out the window 2858 02:03:38,444 --> 02:03:40,435 because of the mother being the one 2859 02:03:40,679 --> 02:03:42,044 that did the killing in one of the other movies. 2860 02:03:42,481 --> 02:03:44,915 Never occurred to me. 2861 02:03:45,151 --> 02:03:46,675 Never occurred to Joe, I don't think, 2862 02:03:46,919 --> 02:03:48,079 or he certainly didn't tell me that. 2863 02:03:48,521 --> 02:03:50,386 We didn't play it hard, and we didn't try to suggest 2864 02:03:50,623 --> 02:03:51,647 that she was going to be a villain, 2865 02:03:51,891 --> 02:03:53,415 but she does make a judgment on these kids, 2866 02:03:53,659 --> 02:03:55,991 and it feels like these kids are going to bring 2867 02:03:56,429 --> 02:03:59,796 trouble and bad stuff onto my kids. 2868 02:04:00,032 --> 02:04:02,023 And, of course, she's completely right. 2869 02:04:02,468 --> 02:04:04,959 With the events of "The Final Chapter" 2870 02:04:05,204 --> 02:04:07,172 picking up directly after PART 2 and 3, 2871 02:04:07,606 --> 02:04:09,836 fans have pointed out a number of holes 2872 02:04:10,075 --> 02:04:12,839 in the series' continuity and timeline. 2873 02:04:13,078 --> 02:04:15,512 My character, Rob, had a sister named Sandra 2874 02:04:15,748 --> 02:04:18,512 who was a counselor at Crystal Lake 2875 02:04:18,751 --> 02:04:20,946 in Part 2, I think. 2876 02:04:21,187 --> 02:04:25,749 ROB: My sister Sandra was just a really great kid. 2877 02:04:25,991 --> 02:04:27,754 TRlSH: But the man that killed your sister is dead. 2878 02:04:27,993 --> 02:04:32,089 We butt up against Friday 3 in chronology, 2879 02:04:32,531 --> 02:04:34,522 yet Rob is doing some stuff that he hasn't been doing 2880 02:04:34,767 --> 02:04:36,064 since just a couple of days ago. 2881 02:04:36,502 --> 02:04:37,696 When I read it, 2882 02:04:37,937 --> 02:04:39,029 I did not connect that character 2883 02:04:39,472 --> 02:04:40,700 with someone who had died the same day 2884 02:04:40,940 --> 02:04:42,840 or the day before or a few days before. 2885 02:04:43,075 --> 02:04:45,043 So I assumed Rob had been searching 2886 02:04:45,478 --> 02:04:47,810 for a longer time than it turns out he was actually searching. 2887 02:04:48,047 --> 02:04:49,480 TRlSH: What are you hunting for up here?. 2888 02:04:49,715 --> 02:04:53,014 ROB: Bear. Anybody up at the lake today?. 2889 02:04:53,252 --> 02:04:55,516 TOMMY: You can't be hunting for bear. 2890 02:04:55,754 --> 02:04:58,188 Zito said he didn't want to invent really cool new ways 2891 02:04:58,624 --> 02:04:59,989 to kill kids, although we eventually did. 2892 02:05:00,226 --> 02:05:02,820 He said, "All I want you to do 2893 02:05:03,062 --> 02:05:04,996 is make real kids that look like real kids 2894 02:05:05,231 --> 02:05:07,495 and whatever we do to them will be horrifying." 2895 02:05:07,733 --> 02:05:09,758 It would be nice to make them so likeable 2896 02:05:10,002 --> 02:05:11,833 that you were sorry when they got killed. 2897 02:05:12,071 --> 02:05:13,197 I wanted the kids to be a little more real, 2898 02:05:13,639 --> 02:05:17,166 and it took a lot of pain in casting for that. 2899 02:05:17,610 --> 02:05:23,048 It was not an easy piece to bring in "the names." 2900 02:05:23,282 --> 02:05:24,874 That's not what 'Friday the 1 3th' was about. 2901 02:05:25,117 --> 02:05:27,142 I got lucky. 2902 02:05:27,586 --> 02:05:29,076 The people who were really the stars 2903 02:05:29,522 --> 02:05:32,252 were Peter Barton who had just come off a series 2904 02:05:32,691 --> 02:05:34,249 called "Powers of Matthew Star." 2905 02:05:34,693 --> 02:05:38,094 and the other one was Lawrence Monoson 2906 02:05:38,531 --> 02:05:39,725 who had starred in "The Last American Virgin." 2907 02:05:39,965 --> 02:05:42,490 I've been lucky in the sense 2908 02:05:42,735 --> 02:05:44,862 that I've had certain roles throughout my career, 2909 02:05:45,104 --> 02:05:48,631 part of these legacy franchises, 2910 02:05:48,874 --> 02:05:50,865 and this is certainly one of them, 2911 02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:55,240 and it's nice to be a little part of a big thing. 2912 02:05:55,681 --> 02:05:57,740 Arguably one of the most memorable victims 2913 02:05:57,983 --> 02:05:59,610 in the 'Friday the 1 3th' series 2914 02:05:59,852 --> 02:06:01,114 was Crispin Glover's sex-starved, 2915 02:06:01,554 --> 02:06:03,522 yet hopelessly insecure, Jimmy. 2916 02:06:03,756 --> 02:06:05,087 The film marked the beginning of a long career 2917 02:06:05,324 --> 02:06:06,723 for the young artist, 2918 02:06:06,959 --> 02:06:08,654 who became known for his wildly eccentric behavior, 2919 02:06:08,894 --> 02:06:11,192 both on and off camera. 2920 02:06:11,630 --> 02:06:13,530 Crispin Glover and l had a love fest. 2921 02:06:13,766 --> 02:06:15,233 I adored him. 2922 02:06:15,668 --> 02:06:19,229 He was the most unique young man that... 2923 02:06:19,672 --> 02:06:22,641 he just really--you couldn't pigeonhole him at all. 2924 02:06:22,875 --> 02:06:25,309 On the set, he was always the oddball. 2925 02:06:25,744 --> 02:06:27,041 He was always the one that kept to himself. 2926 02:06:27,279 --> 02:06:28,143 He was always the one that was kind of like 2927 02:06:28,581 --> 02:06:30,071 in his own little world. 2928 02:06:30,316 --> 02:06:32,181 He's an eccentric. He's mysterious. 2929 02:06:32,618 --> 02:06:36,884 But he just walks to the beat of a different drum. 2930 02:06:37,122 --> 02:06:39,613 Crispin and I actually worked really hard on our characters 2931 02:06:39,858 --> 02:06:40,722 and the relationship. 2932 02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,155 And we both loved improv. 2933 02:06:43,596 --> 02:06:45,587 He thinks that's funny. 2934 02:06:45,831 --> 02:06:46,923 He thinks it's a funny thing he's doing. 2935 02:06:47,166 --> 02:06:49,726 And that stuff in the back of the van 2936 02:06:49,969 --> 02:06:52,062 when we're all driving, and I'm typing on the beer cans 2937 02:06:52,304 --> 02:06:54,636 and the "dead fuck" lines. 2938 02:06:54,873 --> 02:06:56,033 TED: It says you're a dead fuck. 2939 02:06:56,275 --> 02:06:58,106 JlMMY: A dead fuck?. 2940 02:06:58,344 --> 02:07:00,073 Crispin and I made all that up, you know, 2941 02:07:00,312 --> 02:07:02,940 and they just let us have fun with it. 2942 02:07:03,182 --> 02:07:05,241 The two of them together really had a great thing going, 2943 02:07:05,684 --> 02:07:07,777 a really good rapport. 2944 02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:09,954 I think you should run that through your little computer. 2945 02:07:10,189 --> 02:07:13,590 And they were pretty good buddies on that set 2946 02:07:13,826 --> 02:07:15,020 and it did show. 2947 02:07:15,260 --> 02:07:16,921 It showed a relationship. 2948 02:07:17,162 --> 02:07:19,221 I think that's so important in these films 2949 02:07:19,665 --> 02:07:21,895 to have that. 2950 02:07:22,134 --> 02:07:24,762 In one of the film's more memorable sequences, 2951 02:07:25,004 --> 02:07:27,802 Jimmy decides to bust out his dance moves. 2952 02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:31,032 I don't remember what song Crispin was really dancing to. 2953 02:07:31,276 --> 02:07:36,111 I just know that he was dancing really crazy. (laughs) 2954 02:07:36,348 --> 02:07:38,942 In the way that only Crispin could be. 2955 02:07:39,184 --> 02:07:43,245 And it was just fun. It was just really fun and funny. 2956 02:07:43,689 --> 02:07:45,782 There's slightly the weirdest thing about our roles 2957 02:07:46,025 --> 02:07:47,754 which would first be the sexy girls 2958 02:07:47,993 --> 02:07:50,188 who were sort of coming, you know, from, 2959 02:07:50,429 --> 02:07:52,192 to join in with this other group of people, 2960 02:07:52,431 --> 02:07:54,865 and all the boys are madly attracted to us, 2961 02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:57,193 and we're dressed in these ghastly clothes! 2962 02:07:57,436 --> 02:07:59,063 Well, what about our hair as well. 2963 02:07:59,304 --> 02:08:01,101 Our hair put up in sort of little sort of librarian buns. 2964 02:08:01,340 --> 02:08:03,706 I mean, and the pants seemed to be too big. 2965 02:08:03,942 --> 02:08:07,173 Everything was just sort of big and bulky and very unsexy. 2966 02:08:07,413 --> 02:08:10,075 Yeah, I wouldn't bonk either of us. 2967 02:08:10,315 --> 02:08:14,217 The twins, you know, they were the Doublemint twins 2968 02:08:14,453 --> 02:08:17,945 and they were loads of fun. 2969 02:08:18,190 --> 02:08:20,750 The biggest thing for me was boobies! 2970 02:08:20,993 --> 02:08:23,018 You know, I was an 11 -year-old boy. 2971 02:08:23,262 --> 02:08:23,990 I'm like, I get to do scenes with boobies. 2972 02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:25,389 Whoa. 2973 02:08:25,831 --> 02:08:27,958 Not much has changed. 2974 02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:30,327 I have to say the skinny dipping was very equal 2975 02:08:30,769 --> 02:08:32,066 because when we were shooting it, 2976 02:08:32,304 --> 02:08:34,704 we obviously as girls had to have no tops on, 2977 02:08:34,940 --> 02:08:36,669 but then the boys go, 2978 02:08:36,909 --> 02:08:38,274 'We'll do it with no bottoms on as well,' 2979 02:08:38,711 --> 02:08:40,804 and there they are swinging off ropes. 2980 02:08:41,046 --> 02:08:42,206 So, you know, it was a cute group 2981 02:08:42,448 --> 02:08:44,177 to work with, that's for sure. 2982 02:08:44,416 --> 02:08:47,146 At the time, I was the kid who was like 2983 02:08:47,386 --> 02:08:48,876 always wanting to get up in everybody's business. 2984 02:08:49,121 --> 02:08:49,985 I was like, "Hey, let's all go out. 2985 02:08:50,222 --> 02:08:51,849 Let's go do this. 2986 02:08:52,091 --> 02:08:52,853 What do you mean you're all going to town without me?. 2987 02:08:53,092 --> 02:08:54,957 Why can't I come too?. " 2988 02:08:55,194 --> 02:08:56,889 I mean, like, I really wanted to be a part of that group. 2989 02:08:57,129 --> 02:08:59,723 The first day was Halloween actually, 2990 02:08:59,965 --> 02:09:02,229 and I took him trick-or- treating. 2991 02:09:02,468 --> 02:09:03,730 And we went out on the street, 2992 02:09:03,969 --> 02:09:07,166 and this street was like a festival 2993 02:09:07,406 --> 02:09:09,340 of guys in Jason's masks. 2994 02:09:09,775 --> 02:09:11,743 So ironic that we were there actually creating this stuff 2995 02:09:11,977 --> 02:09:13,911 and then this group of people 2996 02:09:14,146 --> 02:09:17,274 were actually out there having a great time with it. 2997 02:09:17,516 --> 02:09:20,451 I think everybody was very sweet to Corey Feldman. 2998 02:09:20,886 --> 02:09:22,945 I remember getting along with everybody on that set. 2999 02:09:23,188 --> 02:09:26,055 The only person that I didn't get along with 3000 02:09:26,291 --> 02:09:28,759 or was afraid of was Ted White. 3001 02:09:28,994 --> 02:09:31,189 Mean little devil. I couldn't stand him. 3002 02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:33,955 I wanted to kill him desperately. 3003 02:09:34,199 --> 02:09:37,100 There were times when Corey got close to me 3004 02:09:37,336 --> 02:09:40,203 that it took all my reserve to not just reach out 3005 02:09:40,439 --> 02:09:42,031 and grab him and give him a good spanking. 3006 02:09:42,274 --> 02:09:44,902 Ted was very respectful when it came to the fact 3007 02:09:45,144 --> 02:09:46,372 that I was a kid, and he knew to keep his boundaries. 3008 02:09:46,812 --> 02:09:48,473 But at the same time 3009 02:09:48,914 --> 02:09:49,881 I don't think that he was really very aware 3010 02:09:50,115 --> 02:09:51,139 of how to deal with children. 3011 02:09:51,383 --> 02:09:52,941 Well, I was a child actor 3012 02:09:53,185 --> 02:09:55,119 so I had a lot in common with him. 3013 02:09:55,354 --> 02:09:59,120 It's a hard, a hard thing, a lot of your... I mean, 3014 02:09:59,358 --> 02:10:00,450 you miss a lot of your childhood. 3015 02:10:00,893 --> 02:10:04,056 You could see there was a dark side to Corey. 3016 02:10:04,296 --> 02:10:09,097 Not bad but wanting to stay with the actors 3017 02:10:09,334 --> 02:10:12,132 as opposed to getting in the car and going home 3018 02:10:12,371 --> 02:10:15,238 to the so-called "real life" that he was living. 3019 02:10:15,474 --> 02:10:19,274 Frank Mancuso, Jr. was quite helpful keeping him together 3020 02:10:19,511 --> 02:10:21,103 and happy. 3021 02:10:21,346 --> 02:10:24,110 Even after the movies, you know, Frank, 3022 02:10:24,349 --> 02:10:26,044 we all stayed in touch with Corey. 3023 02:10:26,285 --> 02:10:29,049 As with Part 3, the filmmakers chose rural areas 3024 02:10:29,288 --> 02:10:31,085 of Southern California to stand in 3025 02:10:31,323 --> 02:10:33,154 for the fictional New Jersey enclave of Crystal Lake. 3026 02:10:33,392 --> 02:10:37,089 We shot in three different places, 3027 02:10:37,329 --> 02:10:39,797 Franklin Canyon in Beverly Hills, 3028 02:10:40,032 --> 02:10:42,023 north of Santa Barbara in a place called Zaca Lake, 3029 02:10:42,267 --> 02:10:45,134 and in Topanga Canyon. 3030 02:10:45,370 --> 02:10:47,133 The Jarvis house would later be featured 3031 02:10:47,372 --> 02:10:50,569 in such films as "Eraser," "My Girl 2," 3032 02:10:51,009 --> 02:10:53,375 and episodes of the HBO series "Entourage." 3033 02:10:53,612 --> 02:10:56,547 But for the cast of "The Final Chapter," 3034 02:10:56,982 --> 02:11:00,179 working on the set presented a number of physical challenges. 3035 02:11:00,419 --> 02:11:02,478 And we're at the house where we shot the movie. 3036 02:11:02,921 --> 02:11:05,446 Tommy's room was up there on the second floor. 3037 02:11:05,891 --> 02:11:06,823 And the kids' house is over here, right?. 3038 02:11:07,059 --> 02:11:08,526 The kids' house was right over here. 3039 02:11:08,961 --> 02:11:11,054 We built the kids' house, the house where they have the party, 3040 02:11:11,296 --> 02:11:13,423 and the house where they get killed, right over here. 3041 02:11:13,866 --> 02:11:17,267 It was my idea, and I don't mind telling you 3042 02:11:17,502 --> 02:11:19,470 the studio objected a lot 3043 02:11:19,905 --> 02:11:22,305 to have the houses in real proximity. 3044 02:11:22,541 --> 02:11:24,031 See, the thing is when we built this other house, 3045 02:11:24,276 --> 02:11:26,005 it was an expensive thing to do, 3046 02:11:26,245 --> 02:11:28,110 building a house as opposed to finding two houses, 3047 02:11:28,347 --> 02:11:30,611 but we really loved the Jarvis house. 3048 02:11:31,049 --> 02:11:33,108 I really loved the Jarvis house, and I really pushed for it. 3049 02:11:33,352 --> 02:11:35,377 So the studio agreed to build this other house here. 3050 02:11:35,621 --> 02:11:38,181 But the thing is that we had a design for it 3051 02:11:38,423 --> 02:11:40,550 where it was a really good house to shoot in, a big house, 3052 02:11:40,993 --> 02:11:42,255 but as they started doing the numbers 3053 02:11:42,494 --> 02:11:43,518 and analyzing the numbers, 3054 02:11:43,962 --> 02:11:46,123 the house got smaller and smaller 3055 02:11:46,365 --> 02:11:47,263 so in the end it wasn't a great house to shoot in, 3056 02:11:47,499 --> 02:11:48,989 but it was a cool-looking house. 3057 02:11:49,234 --> 02:11:51,202 The young people we had in the cast 3058 02:11:51,436 --> 02:11:53,199 were some of the greatest kids that I've ever worked with, 3059 02:11:53,438 --> 02:11:55,099 and I've worked with a lot of young kids in the business. 3060 02:11:55,340 --> 02:11:57,001 But what they went through to make this movie 3061 02:11:57,242 --> 02:11:59,005 was unbelievable. 3062 02:11:59,244 --> 02:12:02,145 Shooting the movie was pretty horrible 3063 02:12:02,381 --> 02:12:04,076 because it was raining the whole time, 3064 02:12:04,316 --> 02:12:08,582 and it was freezing cold because it was dead winter. 3065 02:12:09,021 --> 02:12:11,421 I didn't read the script when I got the job, 3066 02:12:11,657 --> 02:12:13,090 and I didn't read the last 40 pages of the script 3067 02:12:13,325 --> 02:12:15,418 said night rain. 3068 02:12:15,661 --> 02:12:16,889 ROB: What the hell are you doing here?. 3069 02:12:17,129 --> 02:12:18,619 TRlSH: What are you trying to do, kill me?. 3070 02:12:19,064 --> 02:12:20,122 What I remember the most about those steps right there 3071 02:12:20,365 --> 02:12:22,265 is that for continuity's sake 3072 02:12:22,501 --> 02:12:25,470 at the end of the movie, I had to be wet 3073 02:12:25,704 --> 02:12:26,295 because it was raining all the time, 3074 02:12:26,538 --> 02:12:28,438 so in 35-degree weather, 3075 02:12:28,674 --> 02:12:32,405 I was hosed down with water from a tank 3076 02:12:32,644 --> 02:12:34,635 that was sitting outside in 35-degree weather. 3077 02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:36,911 Just unbelievable what they went through 3078 02:12:37,149 --> 02:12:37,945 for the amount of money they were making. 3079 02:12:38,183 --> 02:12:41,243 It was, it was a trial in a good way. 3080 02:12:41,486 --> 02:12:43,920 I felt like a Marine after it was over. 3081 02:12:44,156 --> 02:12:47,182 Once again, the real stars of this 'Friday the 1 3th" 3082 02:12:47,426 --> 02:12:49,519 were the elaborate death sequences 3083 02:12:49,962 --> 02:12:52,260 designed by effects wunderkind Tom Savini. 3084 02:12:52,497 --> 02:12:55,057 I had done a movie called "The Prowler." 3085 02:12:55,300 --> 02:12:57,564 It was mostly a lot of special effects, 3086 02:12:58,003 --> 02:12:59,630 really good Tom Savini special effects. 3087 02:13:00,072 --> 02:13:01,266 I think that's what audiences came to see. 3088 02:13:01,506 --> 02:13:03,406 How is the next guy going to get it?. 3089 02:13:03,642 --> 02:13:05,007 So that's what it was about. 3090 02:13:05,243 --> 02:13:07,040 And it was almost like the latest exhibit 3091 02:13:07,279 --> 02:13:10,544 from your favorite makeup artist magician. 3092 02:13:10,983 --> 02:13:13,076 How is Jason going to kill these kids?. 3093 02:13:13,318 --> 02:13:15,445 So we spent a lot of time talking about 3094 02:13:15,687 --> 02:13:17,518 how to kill people in interesting ways. 3095 02:13:17,756 --> 02:13:19,121 And that's the number one thing you do with Savini 3096 02:13:19,358 --> 02:13:20,256 because it's his favorite thing in the world to do, 3097 02:13:20,492 --> 02:13:22,323 is talk about how to kill things. 3098 02:13:22,561 --> 02:13:27,430 This just kind of crazy mind that was always creating. 3099 02:13:27,666 --> 02:13:29,258 It was a terrific honor to work with Tom 3100 02:13:29,501 --> 02:13:30,729 and especially to be a part 3101 02:13:31,169 --> 02:13:33,467 of one of his last great effects films. 3102 02:13:33,705 --> 02:13:37,072 The choice of name for the character of the kid Tommy 3103 02:13:37,309 --> 02:13:39,072 was a little homage to Tom Savini 3104 02:13:39,311 --> 02:13:41,211 who contributed so much to these pictures. 3105 02:13:41,446 --> 02:13:43,471 I was really kind of fascinated with the process 3106 02:13:43,715 --> 02:13:44,682 of how this was all going to be put together 3107 02:13:45,117 --> 02:13:46,516 at some point 3108 02:13:46,752 --> 02:13:49,016 and so I used to hang out in Tom's trailer all the time 3109 02:13:49,254 --> 02:13:51,119 and watch them do the rehearsals for the different effects. 3110 02:13:51,356 --> 02:13:54,519 (Laughter) 3111 02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:56,387 The kids would come up to us. 3112 02:13:56,628 --> 02:13:57,617 "How am I going to die?. How am I going to die?. " 3113 02:13:58,063 --> 02:14:00,054 The juicier and grosser it was, 3114 02:14:00,298 --> 02:14:02,027 the more they loved it, you know?. 3115 02:14:02,267 --> 02:14:04,394 And even the kills that had conventional things. 3116 02:14:04,636 --> 02:14:06,035 Because we had seen in "Friday the 1 3th" 3117 02:14:06,271 --> 02:14:09,570 a blade coming through the throat before, 3118 02:14:09,808 --> 02:14:10,467 right, from the first one. 3119 02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:12,609 So we gave the girl a banana. 3120 02:14:13,045 --> 02:14:17,778 Mmm. I love bananas. 3121 02:14:18,216 --> 02:14:21,014 It's sort of a comedic kill in a way 3122 02:14:21,253 --> 02:14:23,687 and a comedic character, but it's awful anyway. 3123 02:14:24,122 --> 02:14:25,214 I mean, the blade comes through her neck, 3124 02:14:25,457 --> 02:14:26,788 but you're sort of watching her squish the banana. 3125 02:14:27,225 --> 02:14:29,284 I never really met Ted White who played Jason. 3126 02:14:29,528 --> 02:14:32,395 Tom Savini stood in for him 3127 02:14:32,631 --> 02:14:35,122 because you only see Jason from the waist down. 3128 02:14:35,367 --> 02:14:36,732 He's the one that grabbed my head. 3129 02:14:37,169 --> 02:14:38,534 He's the one that pulled the knife down. 3130 02:14:38,770 --> 02:14:42,103 And the direction he gave me was, 3131 02:14:42,340 --> 02:14:44,240 'Okay, now this is a real knife. 3132 02:14:44,476 --> 02:14:45,568 You're not going to get hurt. 3133 02:14:45,811 --> 02:14:47,802 Don't fight me, just let me move your head 3134 02:14:48,246 --> 02:14:49,645 where it needs to be. 3135 02:14:50,082 --> 02:14:51,481 That was the scariest thing of the whole shoot for me. 3136 02:14:51,716 --> 02:14:54,207 The way the thing worked, 3137 02:14:54,453 --> 02:14:57,479 I had a track around my neck with a flexible steel blade 3138 02:14:57,722 --> 02:14:59,246 that pushed from the back 3139 02:14:59,491 --> 02:15:01,220 and then a false neck over it, 3140 02:15:01,460 --> 02:15:03,428 which took hours to put on it. 3141 02:15:03,662 --> 02:15:05,687 And it also had a little tube for blood to squirt. 3142 02:15:06,131 --> 02:15:09,567 So there were like 3 people behind me um, um, 3143 02:15:09,801 --> 02:15:11,359 Iaying down behind the sleeping bags 3144 02:15:11,603 --> 02:15:14,595 and my gear to work the entire thing. 3145 02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:16,398 It was such a messy little death. 3146 02:15:16,641 --> 02:15:19,075 We did full-on special effects 3147 02:15:19,311 --> 02:15:20,801 that were extended and bloodletting 3148 02:15:21,246 --> 02:15:22,577 and actually terrific. 3149 02:15:22,814 --> 02:15:25,146 I mean, the one of Judie Aronson 3150 02:15:25,383 --> 02:15:26,145 when she's killed in the boat 3151 02:15:26,384 --> 02:15:27,817 with the knife coming through her body. 3152 02:15:28,253 --> 02:15:32,155 I mean, the original cut on that was really totally cool. 3153 02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:34,858 I mean, it was extended, it was horrible to watch 3154 02:15:35,293 --> 02:15:36,624 because you really believed she was dying in there 3155 02:15:36,862 --> 02:15:39,126 and in pain for an extended period of time. 3156 02:15:39,364 --> 02:15:41,628 Sam, Judie Arsonson, thank God I didn't get that role, 3157 02:15:41,867 --> 02:15:44,734 'cause what she had to go through but, 3158 02:15:45,170 --> 02:15:48,697 all naked on a raft, and then just, very vulnerable. 3159 02:15:49,141 --> 02:15:51,666 Kind of almost quasi-sexual. 3160 02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:53,400 Even now as I watch it, I just think, ew, God. 3161 02:15:53,645 --> 02:15:58,344 [screams] 3162 02:15:58,583 --> 02:16:01,381 Shooting my death scene was a bit of a challenge. 3163 02:16:01,620 --> 02:16:05,784 That's where the horror part came into the filming for me. 3164 02:16:06,224 --> 02:16:08,658 What they did was they made a fake body. 3165 02:16:08,894 --> 02:16:11,556 There was a raft with a hole cut in it, 3166 02:16:11,796 --> 02:16:15,323 and my body went through the hole. 3167 02:16:15,567 --> 02:16:19,526 I was upright in the water and from here up, 3168 02:16:19,771 --> 02:16:22,672 I was just leaning over. 3169 02:16:22,908 --> 02:16:27,174 I think this was in January, and it was around midnight 3170 02:16:27,412 --> 02:16:30,381 and it was either 22 or 23 degrees. 3171 02:16:30,615 --> 02:16:32,549 It was very, very cold. 3172 02:16:32,784 --> 02:16:35,844 And we were all sitting there bundled up, gloves, boots. 3173 02:16:36,288 --> 02:16:39,780 It was very, very cold, and the water was even colder. 3174 02:16:40,225 --> 02:16:42,386 It was hours and hours in the water. 3175 02:16:42,627 --> 02:16:45,425 And it became really difficult for me. 3176 02:16:45,664 --> 02:16:46,631 There were points where I just felt like 3177 02:16:46,865 --> 02:16:48,765 I couldn't go on any more. 3178 02:16:49,201 --> 02:16:50,634 I was shivering so badly. 3179 02:16:50,869 --> 02:16:53,337 She was freezing. 3180 02:16:53,572 --> 02:16:54,766 She was so cold her teeth were chattering, 3181 02:16:55,207 --> 02:16:56,731 and she asked to get out, 3182 02:16:56,975 --> 02:16:58,237 and they were reloading the camera 3183 02:16:58,476 --> 02:17:01,343 and the director said no. 3184 02:17:01,580 --> 02:17:02,478 They said, "No, we have to finish. 3185 02:17:02,714 --> 02:17:04,341 We have to finish." 3186 02:17:04,583 --> 02:17:07,575 I did everything to hold back from crying, 3187 02:17:07,819 --> 02:17:09,309 and I don't think I was successful. 3188 02:17:09,554 --> 02:17:10,748 This girl was actually turning blue, 3189 02:17:10,989 --> 02:17:13,253 and I went to Joe Zito and told him. 3190 02:17:13,491 --> 02:17:15,425 I said, "Joe, we gotta get her out of there 3191 02:17:15,660 --> 02:17:17,218 before she freezes up completely." 3192 02:17:17,462 --> 02:17:19,589 And he said, "Why don't you just do Jason 3193 02:17:19,831 --> 02:17:20,957 and I'll do the direct." 3194 02:17:21,399 --> 02:17:22,798 So that's when I got a little upset with him. 3195 02:17:23,235 --> 02:17:23,894 I said, "Well, either get her out, or I'll walk. 3196 02:17:24,336 --> 02:17:26,634 One or the other." So they pulled her out. 3197 02:17:26,871 --> 02:17:29,465 They took me into a trailer and heated me up 3198 02:17:29,708 --> 02:17:31,903 and got me back out there. 3199 02:17:32,344 --> 02:17:33,641 And it was great. 3200 02:17:33,878 --> 02:17:35,743 I warmed up, thawed out basically. 3201 02:17:35,981 --> 02:17:38,415 Joe, of course, was not trying to be mean. 3202 02:17:38,650 --> 02:17:40,914 He was trying to get a film made. 3203 02:17:41,353 --> 02:17:46,381 Whether he was going a little too far 3204 02:17:46,625 --> 02:17:50,493 with somebody else's feelings, I would say yes. 3205 02:17:50,729 --> 02:17:54,563 And it turns out that I had gotten hypothermia, 3206 02:17:54,799 --> 02:17:58,394 and I was quite sick for several days after that. 3207 02:17:58,637 --> 02:18:01,299 The other gruesome one really is, you know, 3208 02:18:01,539 --> 02:18:03,336 Sam being killed in the boat naked 3209 02:18:03,575 --> 02:18:04,940 and then her boyfriend coming 3210 02:18:05,377 --> 02:18:07,004 out and getting it in the crotch. 3211 02:18:07,445 --> 02:18:08,412 When you're looking, you know, for your girlfriend in a lake, 3212 02:18:08,647 --> 02:18:09,614 and you think she's probably naked, 3213 02:18:09,848 --> 02:18:11,509 you do not want to get speared in the crotch. 3214 02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:13,718 That is a bad thing to happen at that moment. 3215 02:18:13,952 --> 02:18:15,920 The guys certainly feel that one when they watch it. 3216 02:18:16,354 --> 02:18:18,379 Pretty much all the deaths were pretty graphic and grisly, 3217 02:18:18,623 --> 02:18:20,523 but you don't see the mother die. 3218 02:18:20,759 --> 02:18:22,351 In most of the Jason movies, 3219 02:18:22,594 --> 02:18:23,822 I think there is no parental supervision. 3220 02:18:24,062 --> 02:18:26,428 In ours there was 3221 02:18:26,665 --> 02:18:28,860 because we thought that made it scarier, 3222 02:18:29,301 --> 02:18:31,861 especially when the parents were made to disappear. 3223 02:18:32,304 --> 02:18:34,397 In filming that scene 3224 02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:35,970 where you see me come in from the rain, 3225 02:18:36,408 --> 02:18:37,636 and you see me turn around and the shock, 3226 02:18:37,876 --> 02:18:40,970 there was no other murder and mayhem 3227 02:18:41,413 --> 02:18:42,038 that you could put on the screen. 3228 02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:44,744 That was it. That one point. 3229 02:18:44,983 --> 02:18:46,473 Although Mrs. Jarvis's death was only implied, 3230 02:18:46,718 --> 02:18:48,879 a deleted scene 3231 02:18:49,321 --> 02:18:51,551 involving Trish's discovering her mother's corpse 3232 02:18:51,790 --> 02:18:54,987 was originally intended to be the film's final jump scare. 3233 02:18:55,427 --> 02:18:56,519 But I do remember that we shot a scene of her 3234 02:18:56,761 --> 02:18:59,628 in the bathtub all made up like a cadaver. 3235 02:18:59,864 --> 02:19:03,630 Kimberly comes in and she sees water dripping down, 3236 02:19:03,868 --> 02:19:06,496 and she goes upstairs and opens the bathroom door, 3237 02:19:06,738 --> 02:19:11,334 and you see me under the water, in the bathtub, dead. 3238 02:19:11,576 --> 02:19:13,601 It was really intense, that scene. 3239 02:19:13,845 --> 02:19:16,075 And I was surprised that they left it out, 3240 02:19:16,514 --> 02:19:18,607 but I guess it was just, it was disturbing, 3241 02:19:18,850 --> 02:19:19,976 and they didn't want it in there. 3242 02:19:20,418 --> 02:19:21,680 It was excised almost immediately. 3243 02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,012 I didn't want to dwell on it. 3244 02:19:23,455 --> 02:19:24,513 I didn't think it was good psychologically 3245 02:19:24,756 --> 02:19:27,657 to keep-- to make more of that than we did. 3246 02:19:27,892 --> 02:19:29,325 The main thing about my death scene 3247 02:19:29,561 --> 02:19:31,028 was really the sort of atmosphere, 3248 02:19:31,463 --> 02:19:33,954 it was the flashing of the lightning, 3249 02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:37,698 and the thunder, and the feeling of it being 3250 02:19:37,936 --> 02:19:39,460 very scary out there. 3251 02:19:39,704 --> 02:19:41,865 They put a big light behind me 3252 02:19:42,107 --> 02:19:45,474 so that I'm silhouetted against the side of the house, 3253 02:19:45,710 --> 02:19:47,974 and at that moment-- (Sound Effects) 3254 02:19:48,413 --> 02:19:49,903 you know the pitchfork goes through me, 3255 02:19:50,148 --> 02:19:53,083 and I get flung against the wall. 3256 02:19:53,518 --> 02:19:56,851 That is not me, you know. I'm just the shadow. 3257 02:19:57,088 --> 02:19:58,817 Crispin does a whole thing where he's so happy 3258 02:19:59,057 --> 02:20:00,046 about being successful with this girl in bed. 3259 02:20:00,492 --> 02:20:02,084 I think you were incredible. 3260 02:20:02,527 --> 02:20:05,428 You're incredible. 3261 02:20:05,663 --> 02:20:08,826 Which is what I say in bed to Crispin 3262 02:20:09,067 --> 02:20:12,400 when he's like uh-am-l-uh-uh. 3263 02:20:12,637 --> 02:20:14,628 Was I a dead fuck?. 3264 02:20:14,873 --> 02:20:16,067 That was quite funny. 3265 02:20:16,508 --> 02:20:19,500 People talk a lot about the corkscrew 3266 02:20:19,744 --> 02:20:21,871 that gets Crispin Glover. 3267 02:20:22,113 --> 02:20:25,605 Hey, Ted, where the hell's the corkscrew?.! 3268 02:20:25,850 --> 02:20:28,546 He's calling for a corkscrew and, wham, 3269 02:20:28,787 --> 02:20:29,719 right through his hand. The corkscrew nails him. 3270 02:20:29,954 --> 02:20:31,444 Jason's clever. He nails him with the cork screw 3271 02:20:31,689 --> 02:20:32,678 and then machete to the face. 3272 02:20:32,924 --> 02:20:34,152 I thought that was really creative, 3273 02:20:34,592 --> 02:20:37,026 and it came out of left field. 3274 02:20:37,462 --> 02:20:39,828 I just had an idea that we shouldn't use a weapon at all 3275 02:20:40,064 --> 02:20:43,727 in one of the kills with one of the twins 3276 02:20:43,968 --> 02:20:46,732 and just have this prolonged thing 3277 02:20:46,971 --> 02:20:47,938 of her at the window 3278 02:20:48,173 --> 02:20:49,697 and the hands come through the glass, 3279 02:20:49,941 --> 02:20:51,033 grab her and throw her out. 3280 02:20:51,476 --> 02:20:53,000 It was a pretty big stunt. 3281 02:20:53,445 --> 02:20:55,174 I actually don't know when it's gonna happen, 3282 02:20:55,613 --> 02:20:58,047 but what I'm told is Jason's going to come, 3283 02:20:58,483 --> 02:21:01,111 grab me and at that point, the only thing I have to do 3284 02:21:01,553 --> 02:21:04,750 is get my neck out of the window as it shatters. 3285 02:21:04,989 --> 02:21:06,422 After I've done that, 3286 02:21:06,658 --> 02:21:09,559 the stunt girl has to propel herself 3287 02:21:09,794 --> 02:21:10,988 out of the window. 3288 02:21:11,229 --> 02:21:12,093 That's her first shot. 3289 02:21:12,530 --> 02:21:14,464 And she landed on a car top. 3290 02:21:14,699 --> 02:21:16,098 We blew the windows out at the same time. 3291 02:21:16,534 --> 02:21:19,526 I thought that was a really neat stunt 3292 02:21:19,771 --> 02:21:21,864 and was well done and well thought-out. 3293 02:21:22,106 --> 02:21:24,700 I didn't suffer as much as other people did, really, 3294 02:21:24,943 --> 02:21:26,672 in terms of coldness and wetness. 3295 02:21:26,911 --> 02:21:30,176 One of the first sequences to suffer the wrath of the MPAA 3296 02:21:30,615 --> 02:21:33,743 was the death of the cocky yet ultimately rejected Ted, 3297 02:21:33,985 --> 02:21:35,919 who was left alone to spend the night 3298 02:21:36,154 --> 02:21:39,749 with a blue movie, a teddy bear, and a joint. 3299 02:21:39,991 --> 02:21:43,085 I remember in mine watching that sort of old-fashioned, 3300 02:21:43,528 --> 02:21:47,055 semi soft-core porn movie. 3301 02:21:47,499 --> 02:21:49,660 So the film breaks, the screen goes white. 3302 02:21:49,901 --> 02:21:50,959 Lawrence stands in front of the screen 3303 02:21:51,202 --> 02:21:52,169 and a knife comes through the back, 3304 02:21:52,604 --> 02:21:53,536 stabs him in the back of the head. 3305 02:21:53,771 --> 02:21:55,170 We're not sure exactly what happens 3306 02:21:55,607 --> 02:21:57,666 until we see the blood on the screen as he slides down. 3307 02:21:57,909 --> 02:21:59,900 I remember at first I had to go visit Tom Savini, 3308 02:22:00,144 --> 02:22:04,478 and I went to get my head created. 3309 02:22:04,716 --> 02:22:07,014 Tom rigged up a knife that was cut away 3310 02:22:07,252 --> 02:22:09,516 with a little pump that was pumping blood, 3311 02:22:09,754 --> 02:22:11,688 and you just looked at the dailies, 3312 02:22:11,923 --> 02:22:13,584 and it was just horrifying to watch. 3313 02:22:13,825 --> 02:22:15,850 I was a very young actor when I did this movie. 3314 02:22:16,094 --> 02:22:18,187 I think I was 20 or something. 3315 02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:20,655 Really committed, you know. What are you doing?. 3316 02:22:20,899 --> 02:22:22,628 Real. Everything had to be real, 3317 02:22:22,867 --> 02:22:26,894 and so my character in the movie had to be stoned, 3318 02:22:27,138 --> 02:22:29,834 (laughing) 3319 02:22:30,074 --> 02:22:31,769 and so I thought, hmmm, wouldn't that be interesting 3320 02:22:32,010 --> 02:22:33,773 to actually get stoned 3321 02:22:34,012 --> 02:22:35,877 and see what that's like to actually be stoned 3322 02:22:36,114 --> 02:22:38,105 on camera?. 3323 02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:39,107 I go to my trailer, and I'm like [sucking sound]. 3324 02:22:39,551 --> 02:22:43,715 I'm smoking this joint, and I get stoned, 3325 02:22:43,955 --> 02:22:46,947 and I'm a very paranoid stoned person. 3326 02:22:47,191 --> 02:22:50,888 So it was the worst, worst idea I could have ever done. 3327 02:22:51,129 --> 02:22:52,756 I was unable to comprehend what the director was saying, 3328 02:22:52,997 --> 02:22:54,021 and I just was too paranoid to do anything. 3329 02:22:54,265 --> 02:22:57,166 It was terrible. 3330 02:22:57,602 --> 02:22:59,160 Actor Peter Barton, who had previously starred 3331 02:22:59,604 --> 02:23:01,231 with Linda Blair in "Hell Night" 3332 02:23:01,673 --> 02:23:03,004 and "Part 2's Amy Steel in the short-lived series 3333 02:23:03,241 --> 02:23:06,142 "The Powers of Matthew Star." 3334 02:23:06,578 --> 02:23:08,739 suffered perhaps one of the most brutal deaths 3335 02:23:08,980 --> 02:23:11,005 in 'Friday the 1 3th' history. 3336 02:23:11,249 --> 02:23:13,649 My hands were my weapon of choice. 3337 02:23:13,885 --> 02:23:16,752 Once I got my hands on 'em, the killing was easy then. 3338 02:23:16,988 --> 02:23:21,322 I mean, he smashes, you know, a pretty guy's face 3339 02:23:21,759 --> 02:23:26,822 through the shower with his bare hands. 3340 02:23:27,065 --> 02:23:28,657 Breaks his nose with his finger, blood comes out, 3341 02:23:28,900 --> 02:23:31,130 and then smashes the head against the tiles. 3342 02:23:31,369 --> 02:23:33,894 Tom said to me, 'Don't tear the head up. 3343 02:23:34,138 --> 02:23:35,901 This is the only one we've got. Be very careful with it.' 3344 02:23:36,140 --> 02:23:37,334 Yet the director was just the opposite. 3345 02:23:37,775 --> 02:23:39,208 He said, 'Ted, I want you 3346 02:23:39,644 --> 02:23:40,770 to really be physical with this thing.' 3347 02:23:41,012 --> 02:23:41,979 That was the whole reason for having a stuntman in there, 3348 02:23:42,213 --> 02:23:43,942 to be a little more physical. 3349 02:23:44,182 --> 02:23:45,706 To me, that probably was my favorite kill. 3350 02:23:45,950 --> 02:23:48,248 To truly immerse himself in the role of Jason, 3351 02:23:48,686 --> 02:23:51,211 Ted White took great pains 3352 02:23:51,656 --> 02:23:52,748 to keep his fellow cast members at bay. 3353 02:23:52,991 --> 02:23:56,950 I think his way of keeping the character 3354 02:23:57,195 --> 02:23:59,220 was kind of separating himself from everybody else. 3355 02:23:59,664 --> 02:24:00,892 I stayed away from the cast completely. 3356 02:24:01,132 --> 02:24:03,157 I sat by myself on the set. 3357 02:24:03,401 --> 02:24:05,733 I just stayed away from everybody, 3358 02:24:05,970 --> 02:24:08,734 and I tried to keep in character as much as possible. 3359 02:24:08,973 --> 02:24:12,204 I just felt that Jason should not be sitting there 3360 02:24:12,644 --> 02:24:14,703 Iaughing and cutting up and kidding, 3361 02:24:14,946 --> 02:24:17,278 and the next minute turn into this horrible killer. 3362 02:24:17,715 --> 02:24:18,340 As the night of murderous mayhem comes to a close, 3363 02:24:18,783 --> 02:24:22,981 Trish and Rob are drawn into the empty house 3364 02:24:23,221 --> 02:24:27,214 and Jason claims his last, though bloodless, kill. 3365 02:24:27,659 --> 02:24:30,651 He's killing me! He's killing me! 3366 02:24:30,895 --> 02:24:32,328 The 'he's killing me, he's killing me' thing, 3367 02:24:32,764 --> 02:24:35,289 that was something that I just reacted to viscerally 3368 02:24:35,733 --> 02:24:37,325 as it was happening. 3369 02:24:37,769 --> 02:24:38,997 That's sort of why it wasn't necessary 3370 02:24:39,237 --> 02:24:41,296 to do a big, bloody, gory kill 3371 02:24:41,739 --> 02:24:43,070 because it wasn't really about the kill. 3372 02:24:43,307 --> 02:24:46,208 it was about the horror of hearing someone being killed. 3373 02:24:46,444 --> 02:24:48,275 They had the rig for this effect. 3374 02:24:48,713 --> 02:24:51,739 They had the gardening tool with the blood spurting out. 3375 02:24:51,983 --> 02:24:53,348 They had all that stuff done, but it was never used. 3376 02:24:53,785 --> 02:24:55,013 And when Rob is getting killed, 3377 02:24:55,253 --> 02:24:57,278 Trish should get out of there, 3378 02:24:57,722 --> 02:24:58,154 and then she does get out of there, 3379 02:24:58,389 --> 02:25:00,823 and then she comes back. 3380 02:25:01,059 --> 02:25:03,186 Part of that was, I think, in the story making 3381 02:25:03,428 --> 02:25:05,988 was to get to the point where now you were left 3382 02:25:06,230 --> 02:25:08,289 with a 1 2-year-old kid and Kimberly Beck, 3383 02:25:08,733 --> 02:25:14,137 and that's all that was left alive. 3384 02:25:14,372 --> 02:25:17,808 The last part of it, we pretty much shot it in sequence. 3385 02:25:18,042 --> 02:25:20,840 The sequence involved Erich Anderson's character 3386 02:25:21,079 --> 02:25:22,671 being thrown through the window. 3387 02:25:22,914 --> 02:25:24,381 Jason comes and picks me up through the window 3388 02:25:24,816 --> 02:25:26,750 and scares the hell out of me 3389 02:25:26,984 --> 02:25:29,350 which still to this day was the most terrifying thing 3390 02:25:29,787 --> 02:25:31,778 I've ever shot in my life - ever. 3391 02:25:32,023 --> 02:25:35,254 Terror struck across my face, my heart, 3392 02:25:35,493 --> 02:25:38,189 my every nerve in my body was on end. 3393 02:25:38,429 --> 02:25:42,957 And I literally was shaking and crying in terror. 3394 02:25:43,201 --> 02:25:45,965 And I remember once we cut and that take was over, 3395 02:25:46,204 --> 02:25:48,069 everybody took me outside, "Are you okay?. Are you okay??"' 3396 02:25:48,306 --> 02:25:50,831 "No! No, I'm not okay." 3397 02:25:51,075 --> 02:25:53,202 I was not okay, and I was not okay for quite a while. 3398 02:25:53,444 --> 02:25:55,412 I enjoyed chasing the girl. 3399 02:25:55,847 --> 02:25:56,939 I love the screaming and all the hollering. 3400 02:25:57,181 --> 02:25:58,170 All it did was invigorate me. 3401 02:25:58,416 --> 02:26:02,182 It was just grueling physically. 3402 02:26:02,420 --> 02:26:03,478 Well, the stopping and the starting, 3403 02:26:03,921 --> 02:26:05,445 and the cat and mouse with the girl 3404 02:26:05,890 --> 02:26:07,380 was not my idea or her idea. 3405 02:26:07,825 --> 02:26:09,452 It was our director's idea, 3406 02:26:09,894 --> 02:26:12,192 and he felt that that little play between us 3407 02:26:12,430 --> 02:26:14,193 built up the suspense, and I think it did. 3408 02:26:14,432 --> 02:26:15,899 Later on when I saw the film, 3409 02:26:16,134 --> 02:26:28,478 I thought it added quite a bit to it. 3410 02:26:28,913 --> 02:26:30,938 You know, he wasn't brilliant and cunning, 3411 02:26:31,182 --> 02:26:32,774 but he was smart, or he figured some things out, 3412 02:26:33,017 --> 02:26:35,485 you know, in an animal plus way. 3413 02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:38,252 I never thought of her as being a heroine 3414 02:26:38,489 --> 02:26:41,219 until, you know, you actually watch the movie 3415 02:26:41,459 --> 02:26:47,830 and you go, "Wow! She's kicking some ass." 3416 02:26:48,065 --> 02:26:50,465 But how are we going to get him in the end?. 3417 02:26:50,902 --> 02:26:52,199 Are we going to use silver bullets?. 3418 02:26:52,436 --> 02:26:53,403 Are we going to use garlic?. 3419 02:26:53,838 --> 02:26:55,169 Are we going to use a stake?. 3420 02:26:55,406 --> 02:26:56,395 Are we going to use any of the typical clich� ways 3421 02:26:56,841 --> 02:26:58,468 to kill a bad man?. No! 3422 02:26:58,910 --> 02:27:02,402 We're going to use intelligence to outsmart him. 3423 02:27:02,847 --> 02:27:03,438 And of course, of course, there's an obvious relationship 3424 02:27:03,881 --> 02:27:06,042 between Tommy and Jason 3425 02:27:06,284 --> 02:27:08,445 when Tommy takes on the persona and impersonates him 3426 02:27:08,886 --> 02:27:14,153 as a weapon to undo him. 3427 02:27:14,392 --> 02:27:16,417 Jason! 3428 02:27:16,861 --> 02:27:18,158 I remember when I first heard this I went, 3429 02:27:18,396 --> 02:27:20,023 "Really?. They're going to make me look like Jason?. 3430 02:27:20,264 --> 02:27:21,356 How's that going to work??"' 3431 02:27:21,599 --> 02:27:26,195 The choice was made to not go the truthful, honest, 3432 02:27:26,437 --> 02:27:28,268 you know, dedicated actor way and actually go for it 3433 02:27:28,506 --> 02:27:29,939 and shave my head. 3434 02:27:30,174 --> 02:27:31,801 Instead we were going to use Tom Savini's 3435 02:27:32,043 --> 02:27:33,567 great, illustrious makeup effects once again 3436 02:27:34,011 --> 02:27:37,003 and put a bald cap on. 3437 02:27:37,248 --> 02:27:38,977 We talked about so many ways to kill Jason. 3438 02:27:39,217 --> 02:27:41,208 There were so many death proposals. 3439 02:27:41,452 --> 02:27:42,942 They came from everywhere. 3440 02:27:43,187 --> 02:27:45,178 Of course, the producers would dream them up every night, 3441 02:27:45,423 --> 02:27:49,291 but mostly Tom would come up with really cool ways to do it. 3442 02:27:49,527 --> 02:27:51,085 And we described this elaborate thing with Tommy, 3443 02:27:51,329 --> 02:27:54,162 the effects kid, was also an amateur inventor, 3444 02:27:54,398 --> 02:27:56,832 and he's taken a microwave oven apart, you know, 3445 02:27:57,068 --> 02:27:58,057 and put a reflector behind it with a variat 3446 02:27:58,302 --> 02:27:59,269 that goes from 1 to 1 0. 3447 02:27:59,503 --> 02:28:01,334 On 1 he melts a toy soldier. 3448 02:28:01,572 --> 02:28:03,164 We thought, why don't, you know, 3449 02:28:03,407 --> 02:28:06,240 at the end he jams this thing into Jason's head, 3450 02:28:06,477 --> 02:28:06,875 turns it up to 1 0, cooks his head from within, 3451 02:28:07,111 --> 02:28:08,908 and his head explodes. 3452 02:28:09,146 --> 02:28:10,875 And the producers took it very seriously for a while. 3453 02:28:11,115 --> 02:28:12,173 And there were others, there were other things, 3454 02:28:12,416 --> 02:28:16,113 but they were generally clever things 3455 02:28:16,354 --> 02:28:18,948 that special effects guys can sort of laugh about 3456 02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:21,181 and high-five each other for, you know, in the lab. 3457 02:28:21,425 --> 02:28:23,484 But in the end, 3458 02:28:23,928 --> 02:28:26,260 give the audience a distance from what really was happening. 3459 02:28:26,497 --> 02:28:28,522 I remember thinking, "Okay, I've really got to show 3460 02:28:28,966 --> 02:28:30,558 how mean I can be, how tough I can be. 3461 02:28:31,002 --> 02:28:32,196 You know, that I'm this little kid, 3462 02:28:32,436 --> 02:28:33,334 but I can kill this guy. 3463 02:28:33,571 --> 02:28:35,163 I can do this. 3464 02:28:35,406 --> 02:28:37,465 Jason is about using a very simple weapon 3465 02:28:37,909 --> 02:28:40,139 to do awful things, 3466 02:28:40,378 --> 02:28:41,936 and it would be sort of nice 3467 02:28:42,179 --> 02:28:43,578 if we just use a very simple weapon 3468 02:28:44,015 --> 02:28:45,243 to do an awful thing to him. 3469 02:28:45,483 --> 02:28:47,974 A change was suggested to us 3470 02:28:48,219 --> 02:28:52,451 that Jason's head be lopped off top down, 3471 02:28:52,690 --> 02:28:54,248 not across the neck. 3472 02:28:54,492 --> 02:28:56,016 In other words, cut open from the top to the chin 3473 02:28:56,260 --> 02:28:58,922 Iike an artichoke. 3474 02:28:59,163 --> 02:29:00,221 And they suggested we didn't do that. 3475 02:29:00,464 --> 02:29:02,557 And we thought, hmm. 3476 02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:04,365 I think there's going to be a sequel here.' 3477 02:29:04,602 --> 02:29:06,934 You maybe were expecting something quick. 3478 02:29:07,171 --> 02:29:08,263 Tommy hits him in the head with a blade and, you know, 3479 02:29:08,506 --> 02:29:10,030 the end. No. He slides down the blade. 3480 02:29:10,274 --> 02:29:12,538 I came into the set with 1 01 fever that day. 3481 02:29:12,977 --> 02:29:14,467 I was very sick. 3482 02:29:14,712 --> 02:29:15,474 And it's the middle of the night, 3483 02:29:15,713 --> 02:29:17,578 and you're already sick, 3484 02:29:18,015 --> 02:29:19,983 and now you're sitting there using all of your energy 3485 02:29:20,217 --> 02:29:22,344 to kill this giant man. 3486 02:29:22,586 --> 02:29:24,520 And the fact that I was sick, 3487 02:29:24,956 --> 02:29:26,184 and the fact that I was so under the weather, 3488 02:29:26,424 --> 02:29:29,416 and I was like really fighting just to be there at that moment, 3489 02:29:29,660 --> 02:29:30,957 I think comes across in the look in my eyes. 3490 02:29:31,195 --> 02:29:35,188 Tommy! 3491 02:29:35,433 --> 02:29:38,231 Die! 3492 02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:40,198 Because you can see the desperation in my eyes 3493 02:29:40,438 --> 02:29:41,632 as I'm trying to take him down. 3494 02:29:42,073 --> 02:29:43,973 What happened with "Friday 4" 3495 02:29:44,208 --> 02:29:46,199 is that the Motion Picture Association of America 3496 02:29:46,444 --> 02:29:47,468 was really on us. 3497 02:29:47,712 --> 02:29:49,942 And it was kind of a game 3498 02:29:50,181 --> 02:29:52,149 where you would trim them down a little bit, 3499 02:29:52,383 --> 02:29:55,181 send it back, trim them down a little bit, 3500 02:29:55,419 --> 02:29:57,717 and they would wear you down, and you would wear them down. 3501 02:29:58,155 --> 02:30:00,419 We would keep trading off frames of everybody else's kill scenes 3502 02:30:00,658 --> 02:30:02,455 so we could protect as much of Jason. 3503 02:30:02,693 --> 02:30:05,127 The kills are all there but they were very fast. 3504 02:30:05,363 --> 02:30:07,297 But when Jason finally got it, you dwelled on it. 3505 02:30:07,531 --> 02:30:10,364 It made Jason's death more powerful. 3506 02:30:10,601 --> 02:30:17,439 This is the one you've been screaming for. 3507 02:30:17,675 --> 02:30:19,302 'Friday the 1 3th The Final Chapter" 3508 02:30:19,543 --> 02:30:22,376 debuted on April 1 3, 1 984. 3509 02:30:22,613 --> 02:30:25,013 Although it still didn't win over any critics, 3510 02:30:25,249 --> 02:30:28,741 the film went on to gross an impressive $32.9 million. 3511 02:30:29,186 --> 02:30:30,744 As far as the filmmakers were concerned, 3512 02:30:31,188 --> 02:30:33,179 they had done their job. 3513 02:30:33,424 --> 02:30:34,652 Jason had left the screen on a high note 3514 02:30:35,092 --> 02:30:36,753 and was gone for good. 3515 02:30:37,194 --> 02:30:40,425 Or was he?. 3516 02:30:40,664 --> 02:30:43,189 It really was this kind of renegade little group 3517 02:30:43,434 --> 02:30:47,131 that was involved in major motion pictures, 3518 02:30:47,371 --> 02:30:51,535 that, you know, would knock off big movies. 3519 02:30:51,776 --> 02:30:53,767 Clint Eastwood would do 7, and we'd do 9. 3520 02:30:54,211 --> 02:30:56,008 I mean, it would be like you know the people at Warner Bros. 3521 02:30:56,247 --> 02:30:57,441 were cursing us up and down. 3522 02:30:57,681 --> 02:30:58,340 It's like, you know, those bastards 3523 02:30:58,582 --> 02:31:00,174 with the million dollar movie beat us! 3524 02:31:00,418 --> 02:31:01,350 I remember in the New York Times, 3525 02:31:01,585 --> 02:31:03,348 I think it was Janet Maslin 3526 02:31:03,587 --> 02:31:07,455 wrote like an angry review about the film. 3527 02:31:07,691 --> 02:31:09,318 At least from this critic's point of view 3528 02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:11,790 it was actually kind of disturbing 3529 02:31:12,229 --> 02:31:14,663 to see people that you actually did create 3530 02:31:15,099 --> 02:31:16,361 some kind of relationship with, 3531 02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:19,091 you know meet their demise in the horrible ways 3532 02:31:19,336 --> 02:31:20,701 that we all did. 3533 02:31:21,138 --> 02:31:22,662 We had fun reading the reviews. 3534 02:31:23,107 --> 02:31:24,074 We know what they're going to be like 3535 02:31:24,308 --> 02:31:25,798 and especially if someone gets, you know, 3536 02:31:26,243 --> 02:31:27,801 particularly bitchy and clever. It's great. 3537 02:31:28,245 --> 02:31:30,145 I mean, in a way it's sort of like 3538 02:31:30,381 --> 02:31:32,508 the 'Friday the 1 3th" movie itself. 3539 02:31:32,750 --> 02:31:33,182 If they're clever in the way they're trying to kill you, 3540 02:31:33,417 --> 02:31:35,783 you cheer. 3541 02:31:36,220 --> 02:31:37,619 At the time I was not really overly proud 3542 02:31:37,855 --> 02:31:39,482 of making the film. 3543 02:31:39,723 --> 02:31:42,191 You know, I was offered the 5th one and 6th one. 3544 02:31:42,426 --> 02:31:43,757 I could have done either one of them, and I turned them down. 3545 02:31:44,195 --> 02:31:46,425 I'm sorry now that I did turn them down. 3546 02:31:46,664 --> 02:31:49,394 We all just wanted to make it as good as we could make it. 3547 02:31:49,633 --> 02:31:51,828 We didn't want it to be campy and stupid. 3548 02:31:52,269 --> 02:31:55,636 As much as we could make it real and scary 3549 02:31:55,873 --> 02:31:57,841 and that we would be feeling the real feelings. 3550 02:31:58,275 --> 02:32:00,743 Everybody had the same goals. 3551 02:32:01,178 --> 02:32:03,373 We were already at that time talking about ways 3552 02:32:03,614 --> 02:32:05,343 to further the franchise, elongate the franchise, 3553 02:32:05,583 --> 02:32:07,414 bring my character back. 3554 02:32:07,651 --> 02:32:09,380 And when we did the end scene in the hospital, 3555 02:32:09,620 --> 02:32:13,716 to Joe and l, that was the nod, 3556 02:32:14,158 --> 02:32:16,285 that was the way to kind of set up the next film. 3557 02:32:16,527 --> 02:32:18,825 But I thought what a big win this would be, 3558 02:32:19,263 --> 02:32:21,527 you know, as a new director, 3559 02:32:21,765 --> 02:32:24,131 if I could make this thing live 3560 02:32:24,368 --> 02:32:26,097 and become something that fans can appreciate again, 3561 02:32:26,337 --> 02:32:28,305 and the studio was surprised, 3562 02:32:28,539 --> 02:32:31,269 and they go ahead and take it out and make more. 3563 02:32:31,509 --> 02:32:34,603 What we decided to do was make a statement about horror. 3564 02:32:34,845 --> 02:32:36,608 That horror is contagious. 3565 02:32:36,847 --> 02:32:40,442 The horror that Jason dispenses has been passed on to Tommy. 3566 02:32:40,684 --> 02:32:42,709 And maybe I was the next Jason. 3567 02:32:43,154 --> 02:32:45,816 Maybe it was The Final Chapter of this Jason, 3568 02:32:46,257 --> 02:32:47,747 but maybe "Part 5" was going to be 3569 02:32:48,192 --> 02:32:50,353 Tommy comes to fruition, 3570 02:32:50,594 --> 02:32:53,119 Tommy comes into his own as the next great serial killer. 3571 02:32:53,364 --> 02:32:55,730 And that was really the set-up 3572 02:32:56,167 --> 02:32:58,260 for where the franchise was intended to go. 3573 02:32:58,502 --> 02:33:00,493 If somebody had pressed me at that time 3574 02:33:00,738 --> 02:33:02,467 and said how about six more movies, 3575 02:33:02,706 --> 02:33:05,140 it would have been not the running Tommy Jarvis character, 3576 02:33:05,376 --> 02:33:07,207 but this contagion of horror 3577 02:33:07,444 --> 02:33:09,173 going from one person to the next. 3578 02:33:09,413 --> 02:33:11,506 And the look of Tommy in the end was, you know, 3579 02:33:11,749 --> 02:33:14,309 it wasn't an accident. 3580 02:33:14,552 --> 02:33:20,691 I mean, that was something that was hoping to give birth 3581 02:33:20,691 --> 02:33:30,931 I mean, that was something that was hoping to give birth 3582 02:33:31,368 --> 02:33:33,529 Few modern horror franchises 3583 02:33:33,771 --> 02:33:37,332 can commit cinematic suicide and return to tell the tale. 3584 02:33:37,575 --> 02:33:40,373 But the prospect of wringing a few more dollars 3585 02:33:40,611 --> 02:33:42,340 from one of their least expensive 3586 02:33:42,580 --> 02:33:44,377 and most profitable franchises 3587 02:33:44,615 --> 02:33:46,583 was hard for Paramount to ignore. 3588 02:33:46,817 --> 02:33:48,250 What else can you do with it?. 3589 02:33:48,485 --> 02:33:49,816 We've just killed Jason. 3590 02:33:50,254 --> 02:33:51,243 We've just said that the series is ended. 3591 02:33:51,488 --> 02:33:52,477 You've gotta figure out something to do. 3592 02:33:52,723 --> 02:33:55,283 So everybody was trying to figure out 3593 02:33:55,526 --> 02:33:57,721 a way to break the "you're making the same movie 3594 02:33:57,962 --> 02:33:59,623 over and over again." 3595 02:33:59,863 --> 02:34:02,354 The title of "New Beginning," I think came from Frank. 3596 02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:05,398 I think it was how he was reaching around 3597 02:34:05,636 --> 02:34:06,796 for a way to let the audience know 3598 02:34:07,238 --> 02:34:10,366 that we were promising them something new 3599 02:34:10,608 --> 02:34:12,576 after having told them that it was done. 3600 02:34:12,810 --> 02:34:15,472 I had been an assistant editor for many years, 3601 02:34:15,713 --> 02:34:19,205 mostly for Michael Kahn who's Steven Spielberg's editor, 3602 02:34:19,450 --> 02:34:21,782 and I was an assistant editor on "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 3603 02:34:22,019 --> 02:34:23,577 "lndiana Jones and the Temple of Doom," 3604 02:34:23,821 --> 02:34:26,289 the "Star Wars." 3605 02:34:26,523 --> 02:34:28,252 And Michael said to Frank, 'You should hire Bruce. 3606 02:34:28,492 --> 02:34:29,982 I can vouch for him, 3607 02:34:30,427 --> 02:34:32,292 and if he doesn't do a job that you like, 3608 02:34:32,529 --> 02:34:33,393 I'll come in, and I'll cut the film for free.' 3609 02:34:33,631 --> 02:34:35,656 After "Part 4," I felt like, okay, 3610 02:34:35,899 --> 02:34:37,924 I need to take a step back, 3611 02:34:38,369 --> 02:34:41,964 and I need to find people to just sort of have their, 3612 02:34:42,406 --> 02:34:44,966 you know, imprint go on these films. 3613 02:34:45,409 --> 02:34:45,966 I'll make sure they come in on budget, 3614 02:34:46,410 --> 02:34:47,809 and I'll make sure we get people 3615 02:34:48,045 --> 02:34:49,774 that are placed in the right positions 3616 02:34:50,014 --> 02:34:52,346 so that they're not going to get screwed with. 3617 02:34:52,583 --> 02:34:54,881 But, you know, that creatively this is really going to be 3618 02:34:55,319 --> 02:34:55,876 sort of other people's stuff now. 3619 02:34:56,320 --> 02:34:58,754 With Frank Mancuso, Jr. 3620 02:34:58,989 --> 02:35:02,584 now taking on a more ceremonial role as an executive producer, 3621 02:35:02,826 --> 02:35:05,294 the job of finding a director for "Friday the 1 3th Part 5" 3622 02:35:05,529 --> 02:35:07,258 once again fell to the uncredited 3623 02:35:07,498 --> 02:35:09,762 yet always omnipresent Phil Scuderi. 3624 02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:12,662 This time, he chose a director 3625 02:35:12,903 --> 02:35:16,930 from the world of exploitation cinema and porn. 3626 02:35:17,374 --> 02:35:19,035 These guys from Boston 3627 02:35:19,476 --> 02:35:22,604 also did "Last House on the Left." 3628 02:35:22,846 --> 02:35:25,041 So before the film was finished, 3629 02:35:25,482 --> 02:35:29,418 they were going to Cannes to sell 3630 02:35:29,653 --> 02:35:30,517 "The Last House on the Left, Part 2." 3631 02:35:30,754 --> 02:35:33,416 And they offered me to write it and direct it. 3632 02:35:33,657 --> 02:35:35,818 And I said, Sure. 3633 02:35:36,060 --> 02:35:38,426 Then it turns out that they didn't have their full ownership 3634 02:35:38,662 --> 02:35:40,596 of the rights. 3635 02:35:40,831 --> 02:35:42,958 Phil Scuderi, he somehow knew Danny Steinmann. 3636 02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:45,061 And thought that he would be a good choice 3637 02:35:45,502 --> 02:35:45,968 to direct the film. 3638 02:35:46,403 --> 02:35:49,031 And so, again, 3639 02:35:49,473 --> 02:35:51,338 I wasn't going to be in a situation where I'm saying, 3640 02:35:51,575 --> 02:35:55,511 "I'm not going to drive the bus, I'm going to take a step back" 3641 02:35:55,746 --> 02:35:56,940 and then say, "Oh, no, you can't use this guy, 3642 02:35:57,381 --> 02:35:57,608 and you can't do this, and you can't do that. 3643 02:35:57,848 --> 02:35:58,815 I wanted to say, "Ok." 3644 02:35:59,049 --> 02:36:00,482 And I knew nothing about 3645 02:36:00,718 --> 02:36:07,556 his past filmmaking experiences at all. 3646 02:36:07,791 --> 02:36:10,351 He arrived pumped and full of energy 3647 02:36:10,594 --> 02:36:12,824 and ready to do another draft of the script, 3648 02:36:13,063 --> 02:36:15,861 which was what everybody had agreed needed to be done. 3649 02:36:16,100 --> 02:36:17,067 As far as the script was concerned, 3650 02:36:17,501 --> 02:36:19,628 after they discounted the fact 3651 02:36:19,870 --> 02:36:22,031 that Jason is going to be alive and kicking, 3652 02:36:22,473 --> 02:36:26,842 they thought that using Tommy as a new Jason 3653 02:36:27,077 --> 02:36:31,013 would be an interesting and fun thing to do. 3654 02:36:31,448 --> 02:36:32,745 Did Tommy do this?. Did he not?. 3655 02:36:32,983 --> 02:36:35,713 Was Tommy crazy?. 3656 02:36:35,953 --> 02:36:38,922 These things were running through the script. 3657 02:36:39,156 --> 02:36:42,421 Unfortunately, Spielberg fucked up all our plans 3658 02:36:42,659 --> 02:36:45,890 because he decided he wanted me in a couple films. 3659 02:36:46,130 --> 02:36:49,497 I was forced, quite begrudgingly, 3660 02:36:49,733 --> 02:36:51,792 to participate in a little film called "Goonies" 3661 02:36:52,035 --> 02:36:55,061 and not participate, as I would have liked, 3662 02:36:55,506 --> 02:36:57,997 in the full version of "Friday the 1 3th Part 5." 3663 02:36:58,442 --> 02:37:00,603 So instead, a compromise was reached. 3664 02:37:00,844 --> 02:37:03,005 I would come do a cameo 3665 02:37:03,447 --> 02:37:06,746 to help buy myself out of the pre-made story 3666 02:37:06,984 --> 02:37:08,144 that we had all come up with years before. 3667 02:37:08,585 --> 02:37:12,646 To schedule to get him back was insane. 3668 02:37:12,890 --> 02:37:15,654 He was busier than anybody I'd ever met in my life. 3669 02:37:15,893 --> 02:37:17,622 So what we did, we went over to his house, 3670 02:37:17,861 --> 02:37:21,092 and in his backyard we put up bushes, 3671 02:37:21,532 --> 02:37:23,124 had the rain machine, 3672 02:37:23,567 --> 02:37:26,035 and did it all like in like an hour and a half, two hours, 3673 02:37:26,470 --> 02:37:29,405 and got him done that way. 3674 02:37:29,640 --> 02:37:31,130 And we used then a very small woman 3675 02:37:31,575 --> 02:37:33,668 to walk through the woods. 3676 02:37:33,911 --> 02:37:37,074 And I thought it was really actually brilliantly executed. 3677 02:37:37,514 --> 02:37:40,642 In casting Tommy, uh... 3678 02:37:40,884 --> 02:37:42,749 I wanted someone who was tall, of course, 3679 02:37:42,986 --> 02:37:44,476 had some weight on him, 3680 02:37:44,721 --> 02:37:47,019 and was good physically. 3681 02:37:47,458 --> 02:37:49,153 When I came in for the audition I again, I resolved 3682 02:37:49,593 --> 02:37:50,457 I'm not going to talk to anybody, 3683 02:37:50,694 --> 02:37:51,126 I'm not going to look them in the eye, 3684 02:37:51,562 --> 02:37:52,893 I'll answer yes or no questions. 3685 02:37:53,130 --> 02:37:54,961 And then when Danny called me in, 3686 02:37:55,199 --> 02:37:57,565 I just sat down and looked and stared, 3687 02:37:57,801 --> 02:37:58,631 and I started sweating. And it was great. 3688 02:37:58,869 --> 02:38:01,667 And he got it. 3689 02:38:01,905 --> 02:38:04,965 So it emboldened me to really become the character. 3690 02:38:05,209 --> 02:38:07,769 After being released from a mental asylum, 3691 02:38:08,011 --> 02:38:10,104 Tommy Jarvis is sent to live in a halfway house 3692 02:38:10,547 --> 02:38:13,209 populated by a group of at-risk teens. 3693 02:38:13,650 --> 02:38:16,210 Taking a cue from the plot of the original film, 3694 02:38:16,653 --> 02:38:18,883 the producers decided that the identity of the killer 3695 02:38:19,122 --> 02:38:21,750 would not be revealed until the final act. 3696 02:38:21,992 --> 02:38:26,122 "Friday the 1 3th Part 5 would be a whodunit. 3697 02:38:26,563 --> 02:38:30,727 In a sense the whole picture becomes one giant red herring 3698 02:38:30,968 --> 02:38:34,495 because we're going to pull the plug on it 3699 02:38:34,738 --> 02:38:36,467 right at the very end of the film. 3700 02:38:36,707 --> 02:38:38,470 The guys who started the series 3701 02:38:38,709 --> 02:38:41,610 ultimately signed off on that idea, you know. 3702 02:38:41,845 --> 02:38:42,971 I mean, that was-- that came out of Boston 3703 02:38:43,213 --> 02:38:45,511 and that was okay, and everybody wanted 3704 02:38:45,749 --> 02:38:48,240 to sort of take this road and maybe thought it may be cool. 3705 02:38:48,685 --> 02:38:52,553 In 5, I actually played the imposter of Jason. 3706 02:38:52,789 --> 02:38:55,519 Dick Warlock, who is known for Michael Myers, 3707 02:38:55,759 --> 02:38:56,817 he was the stunt coordinator. 3708 02:38:57,060 --> 02:38:59,620 Part of that job was to bring in some guys 3709 02:38:59,863 --> 02:39:00,761 that could play Jason. 3710 02:39:00,998 --> 02:39:03,262 So I brought in three guys 3711 02:39:03,700 --> 02:39:04,132 and when I brought them in, I knew who I wanted. 3712 02:39:04,568 --> 02:39:06,160 I wanted Tom Morgan. 3713 02:39:06,603 --> 02:39:09,071 This guy's an exceptional stunt guy. 3714 02:39:09,306 --> 02:39:12,275 He's agile and, you know, and that's why I wanted him. 3715 02:39:12,709 --> 02:39:13,676 I knew that if Jason had to do anything at all 3716 02:39:13,911 --> 02:39:15,902 that Tom could carry it off. 3717 02:39:16,146 --> 02:39:19,013 My idea was that I was going to play the character 3718 02:39:19,249 --> 02:39:21,012 as Jason. 3719 02:39:21,251 --> 02:39:23,048 That's what they wanted. 3720 02:39:23,287 --> 02:39:25,187 And at the end they'd sort out what the answer was. 3721 02:39:25,622 --> 02:39:28,614 And I did have a couple moments 3722 02:39:28,859 --> 02:39:32,693 where I did play the apparition of Jason himself. 3723 02:39:32,930 --> 02:39:35,660 In the film, it was obvious they had to distinguish 3724 02:39:35,899 --> 02:39:38,197 in some way so they used the blue for the marks on the mask 3725 02:39:38,635 --> 02:39:40,762 for the imposter Jason, 3726 02:39:41,004 --> 02:39:43,063 where when I did the actual Jason, 3727 02:39:43,307 --> 02:39:46,936 I was wearing the real mask with the red marks on it. 3728 02:39:47,177 --> 02:39:51,045 There's a shot where the camera is looking out at Jason 3729 02:39:51,281 --> 02:39:52,748 right as he steps out from behind a tree. 3730 02:39:52,983 --> 02:39:54,780 I was just standing still. 3731 02:39:55,018 --> 02:39:57,748 I had nothing to do but to look up at the window. 3732 02:39:57,988 --> 02:40:00,616 I'm in the window upstairs. 3733 02:40:00,857 --> 02:40:02,017 And he was trying to make me laugh 3734 02:40:02,259 --> 02:40:04,659 standing there in the mask. 3735 02:40:04,895 --> 02:40:06,886 I turned around and mooned him, 3736 02:40:07,130 --> 02:40:09,325 and he's laughing underneath the mask 3737 02:40:09,766 --> 02:40:15,671 trying to not do this, you know. 3738 02:40:15,906 --> 02:40:17,339 And I'll never forget the day we shot that scene 3739 02:40:17,774 --> 02:40:19,571 where I look up and in the mirror, 3740 02:40:19,810 --> 02:40:21,004 there's a guy with a machete and a mask on, 3741 02:40:21,244 --> 02:40:22,108 and I look again, and he's gone. 3742 02:40:22,346 --> 02:40:25,179 And is he real?. Is he there?. 3743 02:40:25,616 --> 02:40:27,607 Is he monster or victim?. Well, he's a little bit of both. 3744 02:40:27,851 --> 02:40:30,251 And I find that when I look at the man in the mirror 3745 02:40:30,687 --> 02:40:32,018 that there's a monster there and there's a victim 3746 02:40:32,255 --> 02:40:33,085 depending on which day it is. 3747 02:40:33,323 --> 02:40:35,587 Call me Reggie the Reckless. 3748 02:40:35,826 --> 02:40:38,021 Shavar Ross was-- he was adorable. 3749 02:40:38,261 --> 02:40:41,162 Again, you know, a little, young talent. 3750 02:40:41,398 --> 02:40:43,992 Yes, Miss Osbourne. 3751 02:40:44,234 --> 02:40:46,702 There was many times on the set during "Friday the 1 3th Part 5" 3752 02:40:46,937 --> 02:40:48,928 where a lot of screaming, 3753 02:40:49,172 --> 02:40:51,003 and, "Hey, he's got to get off the set. 3754 02:40:51,241 --> 02:40:52,105 We ain't got too much time. He's got to go to school." 3755 02:40:52,342 --> 02:40:54,333 Solid. 3756 02:40:54,778 --> 02:40:57,178 In keeping with "Friday the 1 3th" tradition, 3757 02:40:57,414 --> 02:40:59,644 the services of a smart and resourceful leading lady 3758 02:40:59,883 --> 02:41:00,872 were required. 3759 02:41:01,118 --> 02:41:03,245 This time, however, 3760 02:41:03,687 --> 02:41:06,656 the film's final girl was anything but a happy camper. 3761 02:41:06,890 --> 02:41:08,915 John had a very heavy character 3762 02:41:09,159 --> 02:41:11,354 and mine was just dealing 3763 02:41:11,795 --> 02:41:12,887 with trying to do the best I could 3764 02:41:13,130 --> 02:41:14,927 under bad conditions because the conditions were bad. 3765 02:41:15,165 --> 02:41:16,860 Low-budget movie making is tough, 3766 02:41:17,100 --> 02:41:20,399 and it's tough on kind of everybody. 3767 02:41:20,837 --> 02:41:23,965 She was expecting to be picked up every day 3768 02:41:24,207 --> 02:41:26,334 and brought to the set 3769 02:41:26,777 --> 02:41:27,300 and, I think, in a limo or something to that effect, 3770 02:41:27,744 --> 02:41:28,836 and that's another world. 3771 02:41:29,079 --> 02:41:31,013 I don't think anybody gets above, 3772 02:41:31,248 --> 02:41:32,112 no matter where you are in the food chain, 3773 02:41:32,349 --> 02:41:36,285 nobody gets above the desire to do something good, 3774 02:41:36,720 --> 02:41:37,812 but the limitations of what you're dealing with. 3775 02:41:38,055 --> 02:41:40,023 Danny, you couldn't go to him. 3776 02:41:40,257 --> 02:41:43,693 And actors, especially when you're young and starting out, 3777 02:41:43,927 --> 02:41:45,895 you kind of look to the director as a father figure. 3778 02:41:46,129 --> 02:41:48,654 And I had a question, and he'd just say, "Just do it." 3779 02:41:48,899 --> 02:41:50,332 So from that moment on, 3780 02:41:50,767 --> 02:41:51,859 and that was about, I think, 3781 02:41:52,102 --> 02:41:52,932 the second or third day of filming. 3782 02:41:53,170 --> 02:41:55,138 So at that moment I said, 3783 02:41:55,372 --> 02:41:56,703 "Okay, you're really on your own here." 3784 02:41:56,940 --> 02:41:57,872 I'm sure that's an uncomfortable part to play, 3785 02:41:58,108 --> 02:42:02,135 you know, when you have a director 3786 02:42:02,379 --> 02:42:06,679 that isn't exactly gracious but you've got a role to play. 3787 02:42:06,917 --> 02:42:11,320 So I decided to just do what I set out to do, 3788 02:42:11,755 --> 02:42:13,882 to do the best job I could. 3789 02:42:14,124 --> 02:42:15,250 I understand to some people that Daniel was kind of coarse. 3790 02:42:15,492 --> 02:42:17,119 And kind of rough. 3791 02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:21,763 I can only say... 3792 02:42:21,998 --> 02:42:23,693 it wasn't that way when I was around, 3793 02:42:23,934 --> 02:42:25,925 but I wasn't really around that much. 3794 02:42:26,169 --> 02:42:29,195 In order to maintain the secrecy of the film's storyline, 3795 02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:31,964 the movie went into production with a befitting code title: 3796 02:42:32,209 --> 02:42:35,144 "Repetition." 3797 02:42:35,378 --> 02:42:38,905 No way did I know that this was a "Friday the 1 3th" movie. 3798 02:42:39,149 --> 02:42:41,379 So the first day we're sitting on the set. 3799 02:42:41,818 --> 02:42:44,844 There's this guy with a hockey mask and the blade. 3800 02:42:45,088 --> 02:42:48,057 He walks past us, stops and stares right at us. 3801 02:42:48,291 --> 02:42:50,725 We looked at each other, 3802 02:42:50,961 --> 02:42:53,953 and the whole energy just turned into excitement. 3803 02:42:54,197 --> 02:42:55,960 We're in "Friday the 1 3th!" We're in "Friday the 1 3th!" 3804 02:42:56,199 --> 02:42:57,826 I want this looney bin closed down. 3805 02:42:58,068 --> 02:42:59,968 You tell 'em, Ma! 3806 02:43:00,203 --> 02:43:05,470 I did a fair amount of ad-libbing as Ethel. 3807 02:43:05,909 --> 02:43:06,375 Horse shit. 3808 02:43:06,810 --> 02:43:07,936 Shut the fuck up. 3809 02:43:08,178 --> 02:43:10,009 You big dildo. 3810 02:43:10,247 --> 02:43:12,511 Lots of swear words came out. 3811 02:43:12,949 --> 02:43:15,110 Who the fuck are you?. What the fuck do you want?. 3812 02:43:15,352 --> 02:43:18,810 One of my favorite scenes 3813 02:43:19,055 --> 02:43:20,784 is in the kitchen with a chicken. 3814 02:43:21,024 --> 02:43:24,425 I'm gonna chop you 3815 02:43:24,861 --> 02:43:27,853 into itty bitty little pieces, my friend. 3816 02:43:28,098 --> 02:43:30,089 You know, the stew that Junior had to eat in the show, 3817 02:43:30,333 --> 02:43:34,292 it was foul only because it was cold Campbell's soup. 3818 02:43:34,538 --> 02:43:36,904 Best goddamn stew in the whole wide world, Momma. 3819 02:43:37,140 --> 02:43:38,869 I thought, you know, we're going to eat this for lunch. 3820 02:43:39,109 --> 02:43:40,770 Hey, Junior would eat anything! 3821 02:43:41,011 --> 02:43:43,411 [Stupid laughter] 3822 02:43:43,847 --> 02:43:46,407 I have a wig from a movie that I'd done with Burt Reynolds 3823 02:43:46,850 --> 02:43:49,375 called "Sharky's Machine" where I played a hooker. 3824 02:43:49,820 --> 02:43:51,412 You fuckin' low-life creep! 3825 02:43:51,855 --> 02:43:54,016 They loved it so much 3826 02:43:54,257 --> 02:43:55,019 that they wouldn't get me another one. 3827 02:43:55,258 --> 02:43:56,885 I had to use mine. 3828 02:43:57,127 --> 02:43:59,152 Eeeeee-yahhh! 3829 02:43:59,396 --> 02:44:01,455 Eeeee-yah! 3830 02:44:01,898 --> 02:44:04,492 "Part 5's" first turning point occurs when Joey, 3831 02:44:04,935 --> 02:44:06,903 a mentally-challenged ward of the state, 3832 02:44:07,137 --> 02:44:10,072 incites the wrath of the wood-chopping Vic Faden, 3833 02:44:10,307 --> 02:44:12,935 played by the late Mark Venturini. 3834 02:44:13,176 --> 02:44:13,972 Hi, Vic. 3835 02:44:14,211 --> 02:44:15,508 Get lost! 3836 02:44:15,946 --> 02:44:18,506 And then, like that, he flips, 3837 02:44:18,949 --> 02:44:21,383 and the axe is going, and there's blood flying. 3838 02:44:21,618 --> 02:44:24,451 The scene itself was pretty grisly, 3839 02:44:24,888 --> 02:44:27,413 and they did a lot of takes over and over and over. 3840 02:44:27,858 --> 02:44:29,587 Oh, god! [sobbing] 3841 02:44:30,026 --> 02:44:32,051 For the film's pivotal role 3842 02:44:32,295 --> 02:44:34,126 of soft-spoken ambulance driver Roy Burns, 3843 02:44:34,364 --> 02:44:36,457 director Danny Steinmann sought out an actor 3844 02:44:36,900 --> 02:44:38,424 who could project an aura of menace 3845 02:44:38,869 --> 02:44:40,996 without tipping his hand. 3846 02:44:41,238 --> 02:44:42,466 Roy is called an ambulance driver. He's not. 3847 02:44:42,906 --> 02:44:44,032 He's a paramedic. 3848 02:44:44,274 --> 02:44:46,242 He had seen an awful lot of death 3849 02:44:46,476 --> 02:44:47,238 because this had been going on for a little bit. 3850 02:44:47,477 --> 02:44:50,412 So when it ends up being his son, 3851 02:44:50,647 --> 02:44:53,411 I think that's what pushes him over. 3852 02:44:53,650 --> 02:44:56,585 My character was, you know, a wise-ass. 3853 02:44:57,020 --> 02:44:58,453 My thing was I blew a bubble and looked up at them and said 3854 02:44:58,889 --> 02:45:00,447 Bunch of pussies. 3855 02:45:00,891 --> 02:45:01,323 And then of course, the moral of the character, 3856 02:45:01,558 --> 02:45:03,116 of my character, 3857 02:45:03,360 --> 02:45:04,622 is be nice to your co-workers, 3858 02:45:05,061 --> 02:45:06,892 or you'll get your throat slit from ear to ear. 3859 02:45:07,130 --> 02:45:09,121 With nearly two dozen onscreen kills, 3860 02:45:09,366 --> 02:45:11,926 "Part 5" boasts one of the highest body counts 3861 02:45:12,168 --> 02:45:13,965 in "Friday the 1 3th" history. 3862 02:45:14,204 --> 02:45:16,331 The producers came up with the idea 3863 02:45:16,573 --> 02:45:21,476 that Tommy would be Jason and then every 8, 9 minutes, 3864 02:45:21,912 --> 02:45:24,972 there should be a kill or a jump, a big jump. 3865 02:45:25,215 --> 02:45:27,911 Come on, mother fucker, fix the fuckin' car! 3866 02:45:28,151 --> 02:45:31,951 The death scenes for Pete and Vinnie 3867 02:45:32,188 --> 02:45:34,588 were certainly gory. 3868 02:45:35,025 --> 02:45:42,056 I had the machete across the throat, of course. 3869 02:45:42,299 --> 02:45:45,530 And they also put most of their effort 3870 02:45:45,969 --> 02:45:49,029 into the gore and into the kills. 3871 02:45:49,272 --> 02:45:56,474 And most of that footage wound up on the floor. 3872 02:45:56,713 --> 02:45:59,273 I watched when they shot Vinnie's death scene. 3873 02:45:59,516 --> 02:46:01,541 They had made a cast of his face 3874 02:46:01,985 --> 02:46:05,477 and then made another face of his out of latex, 3875 02:46:05,722 --> 02:46:07,952 and then they took the road flare 3876 02:46:08,191 --> 02:46:09,590 and stuck it in his mouth. 3877 02:46:10,026 --> 02:46:12,051 You could see everything glowing. 3878 02:46:12,295 --> 02:46:15,093 It was horrific but at the same time, you know, 3879 02:46:15,332 --> 02:46:17,562 it was certainly an inventive way to bring about his death. 3880 02:46:18,001 --> 02:46:19,059 Crap my ass! 3881 02:46:19,302 --> 02:46:20,667 Just do it, man! 3882 02:46:21,104 --> 02:46:26,098 Some people have supposed that our characters 3883 02:46:26,343 --> 02:46:28,937 were the first gay characters 3884 02:46:29,179 --> 02:46:31,545 to be killed in the "Friday the 1 3th" series, 3885 02:46:31,982 --> 02:46:33,244 and I think it's an open-ended question. 3886 02:46:33,483 --> 02:46:36,145 I hadn't made that choice, 3887 02:46:36,386 --> 02:46:38,650 but who knows where it went with Pete, 3888 02:46:39,089 --> 02:46:39,282 and where it would have gone, you know, 3889 02:46:39,522 --> 02:46:40,352 if they could have lived a little longer. 3890 02:46:40,590 --> 02:46:46,426 Lana! Hey, Lana! 3891 02:46:46,663 --> 02:46:48,563 Sorry, buster, we're closed. 3892 02:46:48,999 --> 02:46:52,526 The original scene of Lana and Billy 3893 02:46:52,769 --> 02:46:55,294 were--I guess it was originally written for "Part 4," 3894 02:46:55,538 --> 02:46:57,233 but for whatever reason, they didn't use it, 3895 02:46:57,474 --> 02:46:58,600 and they put it in "Part 5." 3896 02:46:59,042 --> 02:47:01,476 It just said, "Billy calls for Lana. 3897 02:47:01,711 --> 02:47:06,614 He's waiting in the car, and he starts doing cocaine." 3898 02:47:07,050 --> 02:47:09,712 (Coughing) 3899 02:47:10,153 --> 02:47:12,747 A couple weeks before that I had seen the film "All That Jazz" 3900 02:47:13,189 --> 02:47:15,419 about Bob Fosse, 3901 02:47:15,658 --> 02:47:19,287 and he would throughout the film say 'It's showtime.' 3902 02:47:19,529 --> 02:47:22,020 It's showtime, folks. 3903 02:47:22,265 --> 02:47:25,132 And so I came out of my trailer 3904 02:47:25,368 --> 02:47:26,733 and went up to Danny Steinmann, the director, 3905 02:47:27,170 --> 02:47:28,330 and I said, "You know, Danny," 3906 02:47:28,571 --> 02:47:29,595 I said, "I'm changing in the dressing room, 3907 02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:31,564 getting ready for my boyfriend. 3908 02:47:31,808 --> 02:47:32,740 I said, What if I did something really cute and sexy 3909 02:47:33,176 --> 02:47:36,668 Iike It'sshowtime! 3910 02:47:37,113 --> 02:47:39,479 He was like, "l love it!" 3911 02:47:39,716 --> 02:47:42,685 Using an axe on a guy's head 3912 02:47:43,119 --> 02:47:44,780 almost looks for real when you're there 3913 02:47:45,221 --> 02:47:46,188 because you're looking at the head, 3914 02:47:46,423 --> 02:47:47,321 which is just this guy's head. 3915 02:47:47,557 --> 02:47:48,581 It looks just like him. 3916 02:47:48,825 --> 02:47:50,725 The dummy had a full head of hair, 3917 02:47:51,161 --> 02:47:53,356 and they were panic stricken because I had a bald spot 3918 02:47:53,596 --> 02:47:55,393 and then Jason was going to crash this axe 3919 02:47:55,632 --> 02:47:56,758 into a guy with a full head of hair, 3920 02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:58,292 and they had to take the dummy away, 3921 02:47:58,535 --> 02:48:00,730 get another head and, you know, 3922 02:48:01,171 --> 02:48:03,196 cut the hole but try and make it look real. 3923 02:48:03,440 --> 02:48:05,601 So they got the bald spot all set, made that up, 3924 02:48:05,842 --> 02:48:09,243 put the squibs under there and then wham. 3925 02:48:09,479 --> 02:48:12,073 And that was his target, the bald spot on my head. 3926 02:48:12,315 --> 02:48:14,306 Because I'm killed with an axe, 3927 02:48:14,551 --> 02:48:18,214 they built the cast with the axe actually glued to it 3928 02:48:18,455 --> 02:48:20,047 and then they put my pink dress over it, 3929 02:48:20,290 --> 02:48:21,154 and I'm covered with blood. 3930 02:48:21,391 --> 02:48:23,120 I kind of played along with it, 3931 02:48:23,359 --> 02:48:26,487 and I started walking through the street going... 3932 02:48:26,729 --> 02:48:28,060 in front of the cars and people were just like, 3933 02:48:28,298 --> 02:48:30,732 "Oh, my God." 3934 02:48:31,167 --> 02:48:32,429 Because they didn't know a movie was being made up there. 3935 02:48:32,669 --> 02:48:34,296 So we had a lot of laughs with that. 3936 02:48:34,537 --> 02:48:36,095 I played along with that. 3937 02:48:36,339 --> 02:48:37,806 These kids, people were rooting for them to die. 3938 02:48:38,241 --> 02:48:40,209 Fuck you. 3939 02:48:40,443 --> 02:48:43,310 Exactly. Fuck me. 3940 02:48:43,546 --> 02:48:45,377 I don't know if they were degenerates, 3941 02:48:45,615 --> 02:48:47,446 but they were definitely... 3942 02:48:47,684 --> 02:48:49,549 not wholesome. 3943 02:48:49,786 --> 02:48:51,413 In my mind the movie was more like, you know, sort of 3944 02:48:51,654 --> 02:48:53,417 Fellini meets Hardcore. 3945 02:48:53,656 --> 02:48:55,783 I mean, it was just sort of bizarre. 3946 02:48:56,226 --> 02:48:59,525 I was certainly surprised by the sleazy quality 3947 02:48:59,762 --> 02:49:01,389 to the images. 3948 02:49:01,631 --> 02:49:03,258 Sleazy is a great word. 3949 02:49:03,500 --> 02:49:06,128 I mean, in terms of describing "Part 5." 3950 02:49:06,369 --> 02:49:08,200 Everybody was cast because of the size of their tits. 3951 02:49:08,438 --> 02:49:11,635 It was like a porn film in a lot of ways. 3952 02:49:11,875 --> 02:49:15,242 I did my first nude scene for Danny. 3953 02:49:15,478 --> 02:49:17,605 Sorry...(laughs) I didn't. 3954 02:49:17,847 --> 02:49:19,678 I just had to say that. 3955 02:49:19,916 --> 02:49:22,282 I think Danny Steinmann was bringing to it 3956 02:49:22,519 --> 02:49:25,454 what he thought would make it more urgent, you know. 3957 02:49:25,688 --> 02:49:28,122 More intense. Not as campy. 3958 02:49:28,358 --> 02:49:31,225 And some people found that sleazy, 3959 02:49:31,461 --> 02:49:33,622 Some people found that difficult to watch. 3960 02:49:33,863 --> 02:49:36,730 They obviously didn't appreciate not having Jason around. 3961 02:49:37,167 --> 02:49:39,397 Although the part of sex-starved Tina 3962 02:49:39,636 --> 02:49:42,730 was originally intended to be played by actress Darcy DeMoss, 3963 02:49:43,173 --> 02:49:45,869 who would later appear in "Friday the 1 3th Part 6," 3964 02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:48,539 director Steinmann ultimately gave the role 3965 02:49:48,778 --> 02:49:51,474 to a former Playboy bunny with a familiar last name. 3966 02:49:51,714 --> 02:49:54,444 As soon as they saw my last name, Voorhees, 3967 02:49:54,684 --> 02:49:57,847 they said we absolutely have to interview this woman. 3968 02:49:58,288 --> 02:49:59,255 They told me I had the role and then they told me 3969 02:49:59,489 --> 02:50:00,478 I had to go meet with the producer 3970 02:50:00,723 --> 02:50:03,248 to audition three women. 3971 02:50:03,493 --> 02:50:05,620 Two of whom I remember, one of them was Darcy DeMoss, 3972 02:50:05,862 --> 02:50:08,558 who ultimately played in role Vl 3973 02:50:08,798 --> 02:50:11,426 and was a long-time girlfriend of mine after we met. 3974 02:50:11,668 --> 02:50:13,659 The other girl was Gina Gershon, 3975 02:50:13,903 --> 02:50:15,564 you know, "Faceoff,", "Showgirls." 3976 02:50:15,805 --> 02:50:17,170 She's been in a lot of stuff. 3977 02:50:17,407 --> 02:50:19,375 She went on to do very well. 3978 02:50:19,609 --> 02:50:23,409 I went in for my audition and Danny Steinmann, the director, 3979 02:50:23,646 --> 02:50:25,170 asked me to lift my top up and show my breasts. 3980 02:50:25,415 --> 02:50:27,508 I wasn't prepared for that at all. 3981 02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:30,480 So I said "l have no problem with nudity, 3982 02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:32,517 but you need to contact my agent, 3983 02:50:32,755 --> 02:50:34,245 and have him okay it." 3984 02:50:34,490 --> 02:50:36,219 We made arrangements to get together 3985 02:50:36,459 --> 02:50:38,188 because obviously we had to shoot the woods scene, 3986 02:50:38,428 --> 02:50:41,192 the sex scene, like the following Monday. 3987 02:50:41,431 --> 02:50:43,422 The next day, I didn't have a part, 3988 02:50:43,666 --> 02:50:46,567 and the excuse was that I wasn't well enough endowed. 3989 02:50:46,803 --> 02:50:48,668 It was one of those things where the producer 3990 02:50:48,905 --> 02:50:52,705 had seen the one woman and then the director saw me, 3991 02:50:52,942 --> 02:50:55,433 and he decided he wanted me. 3992 02:50:55,678 --> 02:50:56,975 And if you look at the girl, 3993 02:50:57,413 --> 02:50:58,505 her breasts are absolutely enormous. 3994 02:50:58,748 --> 02:51:02,741 I did meet the guy, Eddie, 3995 02:51:02,986 --> 02:51:04,749 a couple days before we actually, you know, 3996 02:51:04,988 --> 02:51:08,822 shot the film, the love scene, 3997 02:51:09,259 --> 02:51:09,987 and I think probably one of the funny moments 3998 02:51:10,426 --> 02:51:12,394 was when we said goodbye and said, 3999 02:51:12,629 --> 02:51:14,221 "Okay, we'll have sex on Monday. Bye." 4000 02:51:14,464 --> 02:51:15,954 Okay, sugar. 4001 02:51:16,399 --> 02:51:18,367 And I get that all the time. 4002 02:51:18,601 --> 02:51:19,568 People will say, "Well, you know, you did this sex scene 4003 02:51:19,802 --> 02:51:20,928 with a Playboy bunny in the woods. 4004 02:51:21,371 --> 02:51:22,269 I mean, it must have been incredible.' 4005 02:51:22,505 --> 02:51:24,405 And, it's like, well, you know, 4006 02:51:24,641 --> 02:51:26,632 it's not really comfortable at all. 4007 02:51:26,876 --> 02:51:28,867 You got 50 people standing around. 4008 02:51:29,312 --> 02:51:31,746 In the background off-screen 4009 02:51:31,981 --> 02:51:34,848 is Danny Steinmann, the director, yelling, 4010 02:51:35,285 --> 02:51:37,719 "Come on. Fuck her. Fuck her. Fuck her harder. 4011 02:51:37,954 --> 02:51:40,422 Come on. Come on. Grab her tits. Grab her pussy. 4012 02:51:40,657 --> 02:51:42,249 Grab her ass." 4013 02:51:42,492 --> 02:51:44,585 And I'm sitting there like dying. 4014 02:51:44,827 --> 02:51:45,589 And I'm not a prudish guy. 4015 02:51:45,828 --> 02:51:48,023 And I turned to Frank, 4016 02:51:48,464 --> 02:51:51,331 who looked just as dumbstruck as I did, and I said, 4017 02:51:51,567 --> 02:51:52,966 "What do you want me to do with this stuff??"' 4018 02:51:53,403 --> 02:51:55,928 And he put his arms around me and he said, 4019 02:51:56,372 --> 02:51:58,306 "Bruce, make it look like a Pepsi commercial." 4020 02:51:58,541 --> 02:52:00,441 I do remember seeing the final cut and thinking, 4021 02:52:00,677 --> 02:52:02,508 "God, it looks like I'm like Quick Draw McGraw, man, 4022 02:52:02,745 --> 02:52:05,270 I mean like, in and done. Bang, you know, 4023 02:52:05,515 --> 02:52:07,380 it's like, "Okay, I gotta go wash up." 4024 02:52:07,617 --> 02:52:09,551 It's like, "Ah wait a minute." 4025 02:52:09,786 --> 02:52:12,050 Of course, I was the classic bad girl 4026 02:52:12,488 --> 02:52:17,516 so, you know, I had to die. 4027 02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:19,591 I think the garden shears through the eyes 4028 02:52:19,829 --> 02:52:22,696 was pretty bad when I went, you know. 4029 02:52:22,932 --> 02:52:24,957 And the way they did the little snap 4030 02:52:25,401 --> 02:52:27,767 where you could see the bone right there and stuff. 4031 02:52:28,004 --> 02:52:30,495 But at that point, once they put the mask on me, 4032 02:52:30,740 --> 02:52:33,675 they put the red blood in the eyes, 4033 02:52:33,910 --> 02:52:36,674 and I can't see at that point. 4034 02:52:36,913 --> 02:52:40,405 So I'm having to be led around in nothing but a robe. 4035 02:52:40,650 --> 02:52:42,880 And, you know, I have to admit that was a little intense. 4036 02:52:43,119 --> 02:52:46,020 Plus that stuff burned bad. 4037 02:52:46,456 --> 02:52:48,048 I mean, really burns the eyes. 4038 02:52:48,491 --> 02:52:51,824 In the end, you know, my death was very unique. 4039 02:52:52,061 --> 02:52:55,326 I mean, how many people have been impaled or hatcheted, 4040 02:52:55,565 --> 02:52:56,657 or, you know, meat cleaver in the head. 4041 02:52:56,899 --> 02:53:00,460 That's old hat. 4042 02:53:00,703 --> 02:53:03,570 You can't say another guy has ever had a horse strap 4043 02:53:03,806 --> 02:53:05,740 thrown across his face and crushed against a tree. 4044 02:53:05,975 --> 02:53:09,536 Some fans have pointed out that at one point 4045 02:53:09,779 --> 02:53:10,677 he's turning it clockwise and then at another point, 4046 02:53:10,913 --> 02:53:12,676 he's turning it counter- clockwise. 4047 02:53:12,915 --> 02:53:13,939 From my understanding, 4048 02:53:14,384 --> 02:53:16,545 my death scene was so gory 4049 02:53:16,786 --> 02:53:18,117 with the blood being pumped through the strap, 4050 02:53:18,554 --> 02:53:18,952 that they were able to use that as a bargaining tool 4051 02:53:19,389 --> 02:53:21,550 with the censors, 4052 02:53:21,791 --> 02:53:25,124 and they were able to get more nudity and less gore 4053 02:53:25,561 --> 02:53:28,587 based on my death. 4054 02:53:28,831 --> 02:53:31,800 There was a scene, there was Miguel Nunez, 4055 02:53:32,034 --> 02:53:33,729 who played my brother Demon 4056 02:53:33,970 --> 02:53:35,437 Damn enchiladas! 4057 02:53:35,671 --> 02:53:37,400 died on the toilet. 4058 02:53:37,640 --> 02:53:39,039 I mean, that is not the way to go. 4059 02:53:39,475 --> 02:53:41,602 Just got killed in the bathroom 4060 02:53:41,844 --> 02:53:43,004 calling out his girlfriend's name and singing. 4061 02:53:43,446 --> 02:53:46,438 ooh baby, ooh baby 4062 02:53:46,682 --> 02:53:48,809 ooh baby, ooh baby 4063 02:53:49,051 --> 02:53:51,576 Just spikes coming through the outhouse. 4064 02:53:51,821 --> 02:53:53,789 And his beautiful girlfriend got just jacked up. 4065 02:53:54,023 --> 02:53:59,723 My goodness. Terrible. 4066 02:53:59,962 --> 02:54:04,092 Shooting my death scene was pretty, pretty intense. 4067 02:54:04,534 --> 02:54:06,559 That's probably the only place where Danny 4068 02:54:06,803 --> 02:54:09,101 actually put a lot of pressure on me 4069 02:54:09,539 --> 02:54:12,770 because I'm riding a motorcycle through the woods. 4070 02:54:13,009 --> 02:54:14,169 And they have the camera mounted on the motorcycle. 4071 02:54:14,610 --> 02:54:16,840 (Screaming) 4072 02:54:17,079 --> 02:54:18,603 Danny said, "You dump this bike, 4073 02:54:18,848 --> 02:54:21,078 that's a $50,000 camera, 4074 02:54:21,517 --> 02:54:22,882 I'm going to kill ya. 4075 02:54:23,119 --> 02:54:25,644 So you will die before Jason gets ya." 4076 02:54:25,888 --> 02:54:26,946 Kept going around and around and the next thing you know 4077 02:54:27,190 --> 02:54:30,023 (Swoosh) 4078 02:54:30,460 --> 02:54:31,950 The MPAA sent a long note of changes 4079 02:54:32,195 --> 02:54:33,753 that we had to make, 4080 02:54:33,996 --> 02:54:37,124 and one of them was when Junior's riding the motorcycle 4081 02:54:37,567 --> 02:54:39,194 and gets decapitated, 4082 02:54:39,635 --> 02:54:42,468 His head can only bounce on the ground once. 4083 02:54:42,705 --> 02:54:45,970 At the time this really did look real, you know. 4084 02:54:46,209 --> 02:54:48,040 It's cracking and yellowing and falling apart, 4085 02:54:48,478 --> 02:54:51,504 but it was pretty intense. 4086 02:54:51,747 --> 02:54:54,807 My death scene, 4087 02:54:55,051 --> 02:54:59,454 there was a shot where they used my prosthetic head 4088 02:54:59,689 --> 02:55:04,217 and had put an axe in the forehead of it. 4089 02:55:04,660 --> 02:55:06,093 I don't think the prosthetic piece with the axe 4090 02:55:06,529 --> 02:55:08,053 made it in the movie. 4091 02:55:08,498 --> 02:55:11,092 I think it was cut. 4092 02:55:11,534 --> 02:55:14,094 Tiffany Helm did the robot 4093 02:55:14,537 --> 02:55:16,630 to one of the greatest songs, I think. 4094 02:55:16,873 --> 02:55:17,737 I had never heard that song until she brought-- 4095 02:55:17,974 --> 02:55:19,805 she brought it in herself. 4096 02:55:20,042 --> 02:55:25,912 ?. There's a man with no life in his eyes?. 4097 02:55:26,148 --> 02:55:27,172 ?. There's a man no life in his eyes?. 4098 02:55:27,617 --> 02:55:28,777 It was cool because it was the 80s, you know?. 4099 02:55:29,018 --> 02:55:30,986 The kill scene with Tiffany, 4100 02:55:31,220 --> 02:55:33,120 they had an idea that they were going to use 4101 02:55:33,556 --> 02:55:34,614 a little more graphic kill. 4102 02:55:34,857 --> 02:55:36,222 They were going to take the machete 4103 02:55:36,659 --> 02:55:38,024 and actually stab her straight up through the legs 4104 02:55:38,261 --> 02:55:40,024 and pick her up and pin her. 4105 02:55:40,263 --> 02:55:46,099 She was like this, and Jason was going straight for the gusto. 4106 02:55:46,536 --> 02:55:49,562 I remember hearing about it. I might have seen some stills. 4107 02:55:49,805 --> 02:55:52,933 I don't remember if they actually shot the footage. 4108 02:55:53,175 --> 02:55:55,609 It would have been pretty difficult to look at. 4109 02:55:55,845 --> 02:55:57,574 Couldn't show that. Couldn't show that back then. 4110 02:55:57,813 --> 02:55:59,974 That was cut. Rated X. 4111 02:56:00,216 --> 02:56:02,650 And they toned that down a little bit 4112 02:56:02,885 --> 02:56:04,614 and ended up sticking her in the stomach 4113 02:56:04,854 --> 02:56:06,151 and pinning her to the wall, which is probably as good. 4114 02:56:06,589 --> 02:56:07,681 You know, everybody was frustrated. 4115 02:56:07,924 --> 02:56:10,119 The editor, and Frank Mancuso. 4116 02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,586 The stuff that was taken out had a big, big impact 4117 02:56:13,829 --> 02:56:16,229 on the reaction to the kills. 4118 02:56:16,666 --> 02:56:19,999 You don't get to see the kills. 4119 02:56:20,236 --> 02:56:23,763 How they were set up, and how they were executed. 4120 02:56:24,006 --> 02:56:25,940 So that's what pissed me off the most. 4121 02:56:26,175 --> 02:56:28,666 From the point where I discover the bodies upstairs, 4122 02:56:28,911 --> 02:56:30,003 everything after that until the end of the film 4123 02:56:30,246 --> 02:56:32,043 was my best time. 4124 02:56:32,281 --> 02:56:33,248 I was just so excited to be doing it. 4125 02:56:33,683 --> 02:56:35,310 I just remember having a lot of fun, 4126 02:56:35,751 --> 02:56:38,879 running through the woods in the fake rain. 4127 02:56:39,121 --> 02:56:40,588 Where are you?. 4128 02:56:40,823 --> 02:56:43,053 I just had fun. 4129 02:56:43,292 --> 02:56:44,919 And quite frankly, I think I only looked good 4130 02:56:45,161 --> 02:56:46,059 when they finally turned on the rain. 4131 02:56:46,295 --> 02:56:49,594 (Screaming) 4132 02:56:49,832 --> 02:56:52,232 So I was grateful for, as cold as it was, 4133 02:56:52,668 --> 02:56:53,862 I was so grateful because I said, 4134 02:56:54,103 --> 02:56:55,195 "Oh, God, at least I look good wet." 4135 02:56:55,638 --> 02:56:57,037 I didn't shoot a death scene. 4136 02:56:57,273 --> 02:56:59,241 It was shot up in the canyon. 4137 02:56:59,675 --> 02:57:00,972 I remember they had a rain machine. 4138 02:57:01,210 --> 02:57:03,838 It was cold that night. I nearly froze my ass off. 4139 02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:06,844 But what happened was every time they would open the door, 4140 02:57:07,083 --> 02:57:09,176 and my head would come back, the water would hit the blood 4141 02:57:09,619 --> 02:57:11,746 and so it didn't have as good of effect as it should. 4142 02:57:11,988 --> 02:57:14,684 You could tell it didn't slit, 4143 02:57:14,924 --> 02:57:17,051 but they could have done a better makeup job on that. 4144 02:57:17,293 --> 02:57:18,920 I lost my voice, 4145 02:57:19,161 --> 02:57:21,595 and I actually screamed like a girl. 4146 02:57:21,831 --> 02:57:24,095 I screamed like a girl, 4147 02:57:24,333 --> 02:57:25,129 and I still get people that email me 4148 02:57:25,368 --> 02:57:29,134 to remind me that that scream was so high. 4149 02:57:29,372 --> 02:57:31,272 The most shocking thing when I saw the film in the theatre 4150 02:57:31,707 --> 02:57:33,902 was my pink sweater. 4151 02:57:34,143 --> 02:57:35,337 She's running through the forest 4152 02:57:35,778 --> 02:57:38,246 and in some cuts, she's got this pink sweater 4153 02:57:38,681 --> 02:57:40,239 which she wore all the time, 4154 02:57:40,683 --> 02:57:41,809 and in other cuts, she doesn't have the pink sweater. 4155 02:57:42,051 --> 02:57:44,815 I can't even look at it anymore because I just, all I see 4156 02:57:45,054 --> 02:57:47,147 is that pink sweater reappearing and disappearing. 4157 02:57:47,390 --> 02:57:49,722 The attitude usually in an editing room 4158 02:57:49,959 --> 02:57:51,290 when there are continuity problems 4159 02:57:51,727 --> 02:57:53,957 is that if there are people in the audience 4160 02:57:54,196 --> 02:57:56,027 that are noticing that sweater, 4161 02:57:56,265 --> 02:57:57,664 they're not really engaged in the story. 4162 02:57:57,900 --> 02:57:59,697 The bane of my existence of that film 4163 02:57:59,935 --> 02:58:01,197 is that damn sweater. 4164 02:58:01,437 --> 02:58:03,962 And I didn't even like it. 4165 02:58:04,206 --> 02:58:06,197 Pink thing. 4166 02:58:06,442 --> 02:58:08,307 And I think the thing with Reggie the Reckless was that 4167 02:58:08,744 --> 02:58:09,870 it was that red suit. 4168 02:58:10,112 --> 02:58:11,374 It was the red suit. 4169 02:58:11,814 --> 02:58:13,247 It was the blood of Jesus over Reggie. 4170 02:58:13,683 --> 02:58:16,413 And I think that helped me some, you know, throughout the film, 4171 02:58:16,852 --> 02:58:18,820 you know, to be able to have fun running him over 4172 02:58:19,055 --> 02:58:20,147 with a tractor. 4173 02:58:20,389 --> 02:58:22,016 When that front loader hit me, 4174 02:58:22,258 --> 02:58:24,783 that was probably the most fun for me. 4175 02:58:25,027 --> 02:58:26,324 I helped set that up. 4176 02:58:26,762 --> 02:58:28,389 It wasn't in cuts. It was a full hit. 4177 02:58:28,831 --> 02:58:31,299 And the distance I flew through the air 4178 02:58:31,734 --> 02:58:33,065 and hit the ground was all real. 4179 02:58:33,302 --> 02:58:37,033 So for me that was the most enjoyable stunt. 4180 02:58:37,273 --> 02:58:40,902 And the shooting in the barn, the infamous chain saw scene 4181 02:58:41,143 --> 02:58:44,112 which did take a few takes 4182 02:58:44,346 --> 02:58:46,314 because the first three I couldn't get through. 4183 02:58:46,749 --> 02:58:48,011 I was laughing so hard. 4184 02:58:48,250 --> 02:58:50,445 Where am I going to do a scene with a chain saw ever, 4185 02:58:50,886 --> 02:58:52,444 you know, except this film?. 4186 02:58:52,888 --> 02:58:55,288 The killing that was the most memorable to me in "Part 5" 4187 02:58:55,725 --> 02:58:59,286 was, of course, me taking the machete to Jason's arm, 4188 02:58:59,729 --> 02:59:01,390 and him falling back out of the barn 4189 02:59:01,831 --> 02:59:03,799 and landing down on some kind of farming instrument. 4190 02:59:04,033 --> 02:59:06,797 Tom Morga, he called me, 4191 02:59:07,036 --> 02:59:08,230 he wanted me to come out and take his place 4192 02:59:08,471 --> 02:59:10,098 one night on the show. 4193 02:59:10,339 --> 02:59:12,273 If you watch the movie, 4194 02:59:12,508 --> 02:59:14,772 you'll see that the first guy that does the fall 4195 02:59:15,010 --> 02:59:17,205 coming out the door, is Tom Morga, 4196 02:59:17,446 --> 02:59:18,913 and then you'll see a guy fall through frame. 4197 02:59:19,148 --> 02:59:20,877 That's me. 4198 02:59:21,117 --> 02:59:23,017 I love the part where he just goes 4199 02:59:23,252 --> 02:59:25,186 right through those (laughs) spikes. 4200 02:59:25,421 --> 02:59:28,254 I did the graveyard sequence. 4201 02:59:28,491 --> 02:59:30,049 When the two guys come up to the, and dig the grave open, 4202 02:59:30,292 --> 02:59:32,852 I was lying down in the coffin. 4203 02:59:33,095 --> 02:59:35,154 They actually dumped nightcrawlers on top of me. 4204 02:59:35,397 --> 02:59:37,228 They had like five gallon containers, 4205 02:59:37,466 --> 02:59:38,125 and they dumped them all over me. 4206 02:59:38,367 --> 02:59:40,164 This is dick head. 4207 02:59:40,402 --> 02:59:43,462 They used this when Roy falls out of the barn 4208 02:59:43,906 --> 02:59:45,203 onto the farm implement. 4209 02:59:45,441 --> 02:59:48,376 It's really freaky, really strange. 4210 02:59:48,811 --> 02:59:51,041 Well, you know, in "Part 5," 4211 02:59:51,280 --> 02:59:53,214 we didn't have the quote-unquote real Jason. 4212 02:59:53,449 --> 02:59:54,973 Jason was an imposter, as it turned out, 4213 02:59:55,217 --> 02:59:56,275 which was a disappointment to some fans 4214 02:59:56,519 --> 02:59:58,180 to find out that it was a human. 4215 02:59:58,420 --> 03:00:00,183 We got to the end, 4216 03:00:00,422 --> 03:00:02,413 and I found out it was the ambulance driver. 4217 03:00:02,858 --> 03:00:07,056 That just threw me 4218 03:00:07,296 --> 03:00:08,763 because I didn't know that was going to happen. 4219 03:00:08,998 --> 03:00:11,159 Another piece of advice: 4220 03:00:11,400 --> 03:00:13,766 Don't allow the overweight, mentally handicapped son 4221 03:00:14,003 --> 03:00:15,197 of the local ambulance driver 4222 03:00:15,437 --> 03:00:16,199 to get hacked to shit over a candy bar. 4223 03:00:16,438 --> 03:00:18,929 (Screaming) 4224 03:00:19,175 --> 03:00:20,506 Because chances are 4225 03:00:20,943 --> 03:00:21,932 that driver's going to turn into a Jason clone 4226 03:00:22,178 --> 03:00:23,475 and try to take people out. 4227 03:00:23,913 --> 03:00:25,778 Remains one of the least satisfying endings 4228 03:00:26,015 --> 03:00:27,846 in the history of film as far as I'm concerned. 4229 03:00:28,083 --> 03:00:30,313 So the sheriff, played by Marco St. John, 4230 03:00:30,553 --> 03:00:32,521 we're in the hospital. 4231 03:00:32,955 --> 03:00:35,253 He's now explaining the whole thing to me, 4232 03:00:35,491 --> 03:00:37,118 who was chasing me, and the motive, 4233 03:00:37,359 --> 03:00:39,020 and who this person was. 4234 03:00:39,261 --> 03:00:40,956 I guess when he was called to the scene, 4235 03:00:41,197 --> 03:00:42,459 and he saw that it was his own Joey 4236 03:00:42,898 --> 03:00:44,365 all hacked to pieces 4237 03:00:44,600 --> 03:00:46,966 Jason was a good scapegoat for Roy 4238 03:00:47,203 --> 03:00:48,431 because he was in the papers. People knew who he was. 4239 03:00:48,871 --> 03:00:51,897 And he whips out these clippings 4240 03:00:52,141 --> 03:00:56,373 and shows me a mug shot of Jason, 4241 03:00:56,612 --> 03:00:59,172 Iike they got a mug shot of Jason?. 4242 03:00:59,415 --> 03:01:03,977 And I ended up writing the last three pages of Tommy 4243 03:01:04,220 --> 03:01:05,585 in the hospital room-- 4244 03:01:06,021 --> 03:01:06,817 and I brought it to Danny and I said, you know, 4245 03:01:07,056 --> 03:01:09,024 "Here's the ending." 4246 03:01:09,258 --> 03:01:12,091 And I remember him just x'ing out all the dialogue and going, 4247 03:01:12,328 --> 03:01:13,556 "John, you don't talk the whole movie 4248 03:01:13,996 --> 03:01:15,361 and all of a sudden you got like a 3-page monologue." 4249 03:01:15,598 --> 03:01:17,190 But he said, you know, "This is good," 4250 03:01:17,433 --> 03:01:18,991 and he came back the next day and said, 4251 03:01:19,235 --> 03:01:20,133 'We're going to use that.' 4252 03:01:20,369 --> 03:01:23,133 But at the very end, 4253 03:01:23,372 --> 03:01:26,273 that's when the metamorphosis takes place in his hospital bed. 4254 03:01:26,508 --> 03:01:29,033 He comes to see Jason there 4255 03:01:29,278 --> 03:01:32,179 and then Jason kind of disappears 4256 03:01:32,414 --> 03:01:35,872 and then he gets out of bed, 4257 03:01:36,118 --> 03:01:38,882 opens the drawer and sees the mask. 4258 03:01:39,121 --> 03:01:41,180 He's in there freaking out. You hear a crash. 4259 03:01:41,423 --> 03:01:43,220 I rush into the room 4260 03:01:43,459 --> 03:01:44,517 because I think he's jumped out of the window. 4261 03:01:44,960 --> 03:01:46,951 And he's behind me with the Jason mask. 4262 03:01:47,196 --> 03:01:50,859 I become Jason and so in that sense, to me, 4263 03:01:51,100 --> 03:01:52,431 he's the most fearsome, awesome, indestructible, 4264 03:01:52,668 --> 03:01:55,102 mysterious figure in movie history 4265 03:01:55,337 --> 03:01:56,634 because you see a side of yourself 4266 03:01:57,072 --> 03:01:59,267 that could become possessed, if you will, 4267 03:01:59,508 --> 03:02:02,477 by this larger-than-life character. 4268 03:02:02,912 --> 03:02:05,972 Despite the backlash to lmposter Jason, 4269 03:02:06,215 --> 03:02:08,206 "Part 5" proved that audiences still had a bloodlust 4270 03:02:08,450 --> 03:02:10,475 for "Friday the 1 3th." 4271 03:02:10,920 --> 03:02:13,286 As the film grossed $8 million in its opening weekend 4272 03:02:13,522 --> 03:02:16,116 on March 22, 1985. 4273 03:02:16,358 --> 03:02:18,451 Frank Mancuso called me late that night, 4274 03:02:18,694 --> 03:02:20,889 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. 4275 03:02:21,130 --> 03:02:22,256 He was so excited, you know, saying 4276 03:02:22,498 --> 03:02:26,628 these numbers are like the golden times. 4277 03:02:27,069 --> 03:02:29,299 I mean, this is unheard of. 4278 03:02:29,538 --> 03:02:31,062 Everyone is going to the next "Friday the 1 3th" 4279 03:02:31,307 --> 03:02:33,104 based on their experience of the last one, 4280 03:02:33,342 --> 03:02:37,369 and if they go from 4 and 5, and 5 lets them down, 4281 03:02:37,613 --> 03:02:41,640 it's already in profits before it has a chance to fall off. 4282 03:02:42,084 --> 03:02:45,076 I would say that the movie is a pretty substantive departure 4283 03:02:45,321 --> 03:02:47,346 from the rest of the series. 4284 03:02:47,589 --> 03:02:49,921 I think it's really interesting. 4285 03:02:50,159 --> 03:02:55,324 This film is either loved or absolutely despised. 4286 03:02:55,564 --> 03:02:57,293 Some people say, "You didn't even play Jason. 4287 03:02:57,533 --> 03:02:59,330 It didn't even count." 4288 03:02:59,568 --> 03:03:01,627 And they have no respect for that particular film, 4289 03:03:02,071 --> 03:03:03,470 and they think it was the worst in the series. 4290 03:03:03,706 --> 03:03:05,697 And I've had others that tell me the way it was done, 4291 03:03:06,141 --> 03:03:07,972 and they loved it and it was the best kills, 4292 03:03:08,210 --> 03:03:09,142 and it was the most exciting. 4293 03:03:09,378 --> 03:03:11,710 You know, it's personal opinion. 4294 03:03:12,147 --> 03:03:16,049 And I was kind of proud to be part of something 4295 03:03:16,285 --> 03:03:18,446 that they were taking a chance 4296 03:03:18,687 --> 03:03:20,416 of doing something different, you know. 4297 03:03:20,656 --> 03:03:24,615 Whether that worked out is another story. 4298 03:03:25,060 --> 03:03:27,255 It's like "Halloween 3." 4299 03:03:27,496 --> 03:03:30,056 Michael's not in the movie so it's not a "Halloween" movie. 4300 03:03:30,299 --> 03:03:32,494 I liked the fact that it wasn't Jason killing people. 4301 03:03:32,735 --> 03:03:34,498 I liked the fact that it was a bit of a whodunit 4302 03:03:34,737 --> 03:03:36,329 and nobody really knew what was going on. 4303 03:03:36,572 --> 03:03:38,005 What the hell's going on here?. 4304 03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:40,572 The only mistake that they made 4305 03:03:41,010 --> 03:03:44,309 was giving the explanation that it wasn't Tommy. 4306 03:03:44,546 --> 03:03:46,741 I think that if they would have kept it elusive, 4307 03:03:47,182 --> 03:03:49,047 and you really didn't know for sure at the end of the movie, 4308 03:03:49,284 --> 03:03:51,445 I think they could have gone a great number 4309 03:03:51,687 --> 03:03:54,713 of really cool places with it after that point. 4310 03:03:55,157 --> 03:03:58,615 But really, no, lmposter Jason, it just doesn't work. 4311 03:03:59,061 --> 03:04:01,586 I mean, ultimately, "A New Beginning," not so much. 4312 03:04:02,031 --> 03:04:03,362 There's a reason why the next one's called "Jason Lives." 4313 03:04:03,599 --> 03:04:05,396 But, you know, in retrospect, you know, it's glorious. 4314 03:04:05,634 --> 03:04:08,125 I had a really good time and, you know, 4315 03:04:08,370 --> 03:04:13,103 some of it's not bad. 4316 03:04:13,342 --> 03:04:14,400 Everybody starts off trying to do good. 4317 03:04:14,643 --> 03:04:16,668 You know, they really do. 4318 03:04:17,112 --> 03:04:18,272 And he thought he was doing a really good job. 4319 03:04:18,514 --> 03:04:20,311 And he thought that-- 4320 03:04:20,549 --> 03:04:22,710 he thought what he was bringing to this thing 4321 03:04:23,152 --> 03:04:24,710 was going to be a different element 4322 03:04:25,154 --> 03:04:38,067 that people might really appreciate. 4323 03:04:38,067 --> 03:04:51,140 that people might really appreciate. 4324 03:04:51,380 --> 03:04:53,473 After the disappointing response to 'Part 5,' 4325 03:04:53,715 --> 03:04:56,183 producer Frank Mancuso, Jr. 4326 03:04:56,418 --> 03:04:58,545 received a directive from the top brass at Paramount Pictures. 4327 03:04:58,787 --> 03:05:02,621 Get "Friday the 1 3th" back on track. 4328 03:05:02,858 --> 03:05:05,224 You know, well -intended people can make mistakes. 4329 03:05:05,461 --> 03:05:08,487 And I know I've certainly made them. 4330 03:05:08,730 --> 03:05:11,198 They realized in it, and the fan response, 4331 03:05:11,433 --> 03:05:13,526 that they were not happy with 'Part 5' 4332 03:05:13,769 --> 03:05:15,236 because Jason their favorite character wasn't in it. 4333 03:05:15,471 --> 03:05:17,234 So they had to go back to the old formula. 4334 03:05:17,473 --> 03:05:20,499 Obviously, 5, where you have an imitation Jason, 4335 03:05:20,742 --> 03:05:23,074 angered the fans. 4336 03:05:23,312 --> 03:05:24,404 I mean, it was like, "Let's just ignore this. 4337 03:05:24,646 --> 03:05:26,113 Let's move on." 4338 03:05:26,348 --> 03:05:28,373 Clean house. Start all over. 4339 03:05:28,617 --> 03:05:30,448 Everybody, let's just start fresh. 4340 03:05:30,686 --> 03:05:32,483 5 was a bad dream. 4341 03:05:32,721 --> 03:05:35,417 So it was important to me that Jason come back 4342 03:05:35,657 --> 03:05:40,117 in a very spectacular, fun way. 4343 03:05:40,362 --> 03:05:43,422 You know, we needed somebody who would sort of embrace 4344 03:05:43,665 --> 03:05:45,496 that kind of theatricality 4345 03:05:45,734 --> 03:05:46,632 and infuse the rest of the movie with that. 4346 03:05:46,869 --> 03:05:49,303 Enter Tom McLoughlin, 4347 03:05:49,538 --> 03:05:52,302 who began his career in comedy and as a professional mime. 4348 03:05:52,541 --> 03:05:54,406 During an initial meeting with Mancuso, 4349 03:05:54,643 --> 03:05:56,770 the up-and-coming writer/director 4350 03:05:57,212 --> 03:05:59,806 pitched an idea that everyone hoped would breathe new life 4351 03:06:00,249 --> 03:06:02,740 and bring a bit of levity into "Friday the 1 3th." 4352 03:06:03,185 --> 03:06:05,585 I came to the attention of Frank Mancuso 4353 03:06:05,821 --> 03:06:06,788 because of the movie I made, 'One Dark Night.' 4354 03:06:07,222 --> 03:06:08,780 I was not particularly interested 4355 03:06:09,224 --> 03:06:11,784 in doing a 'Friday' sequel 4356 03:06:12,227 --> 03:06:13,285 because, as far as I was concerned, 4357 03:06:13,529 --> 03:06:14,689 it basically had kind of run out of steam. 4358 03:06:14,930 --> 03:06:17,797 Oooh, it's those damn enchiladas! 4359 03:06:18,233 --> 03:06:21,327 The idea was still kind of challenging to me 4360 03:06:21,570 --> 03:06:22,798 at the same time so I said, 4361 03:06:23,238 --> 03:06:24,899 "Well, let me see, you know, all the "Fridays," 4362 03:06:25,340 --> 03:06:27,399 and I went to Paramount and sat in a screening room 4363 03:06:27,643 --> 03:06:29,372 and watched them all back-to-back. 4364 03:06:29,611 --> 03:06:33,377 And out of that I thought, okay, what hasn't been done?. 4365 03:06:33,615 --> 03:06:36,140 And, because I've always had a great love of Gothic horror, 4366 03:06:36,385 --> 03:06:37,716 I thought if I could bring in that element. 4367 03:06:37,953 --> 03:06:41,218 It's alive! It's alive! 4368 03:06:41,456 --> 03:06:46,587 Mancuso was smart hiring a young, hip director. 4369 03:06:46,828 --> 03:06:48,455 He didn't want somebody that was just going to phone it in 4370 03:06:48,697 --> 03:06:50,289 and take a check. 4371 03:06:50,532 --> 03:06:53,262 Being a huge fan of the old Universal horror movies, 4372 03:06:53,502 --> 03:06:55,766 and particularly 'Frankenstein,' that was the first idea. 4373 03:06:56,205 --> 03:06:57,900 You know, let's bring Jason back to life. 4374 03:06:58,340 --> 03:07:00,331 Gotta be a lightning bolt. 4375 03:07:00,576 --> 03:07:03,477 Then I actually would go to these bizarre locations, 4376 03:07:03,712 --> 03:07:05,407 you know, cemeteries, and, I don't know, 4377 03:07:05,647 --> 03:07:06,739 somehow I just loved that whole process 4378 03:07:06,982 --> 03:07:09,644 of writing in unusual places for this 4379 03:07:09,885 --> 03:07:10,909 and just sort of see what the inspiration was. 4380 03:07:11,353 --> 03:07:13,719 Originally titled 'Jason Has Risen,' 4381 03:07:13,956 --> 03:07:16,481 McLoughlin's script once again 4382 03:07:16,725 --> 03:07:19,216 focused on the Jason-obsessed Tommy Jarvis, 4383 03:07:19,461 --> 03:07:21,793 but virtually ignored the events from "Part 5." 4384 03:07:22,231 --> 03:07:23,892 After I did 'Friday the 13th, Part V 4385 03:07:24,333 --> 03:07:27,496 I got hired by Frank Mancuso Jr. 4386 03:07:27,736 --> 03:07:29,226 to edit a movie called 'April Fools' Day,' 4387 03:07:29,471 --> 03:07:31,962 which, coincidentally, had Amy Steel in it, 4388 03:07:32,407 --> 03:07:33,601 who had been in 'Friday ll.' 4389 03:07:33,842 --> 03:07:35,639 After that was over, 4390 03:07:35,877 --> 03:07:38,505 Frank wanted me now to do the next Friday, 4391 03:07:38,747 --> 03:07:40,874 which was Vl. 4392 03:07:41,316 --> 03:07:43,910 John and I were assigned to do 'Part 6.' 4393 03:07:44,353 --> 03:07:47,686 Pretty soon after I got word from Paramount through my agent 4394 03:07:47,923 --> 03:07:49,686 that John wasn't going to do 'Part 6.' 4395 03:07:49,925 --> 03:07:52,291 I was at a crossroads in my life 4396 03:07:52,527 --> 03:07:55,655 where I was trying to decide do I really want to pursue acting, 4397 03:07:55,897 --> 03:07:57,888 or, you know, is this the best use of my time and talents. 4398 03:07:58,333 --> 03:08:00,358 So I made a conscious decision on 'Part 6.', 4399 03:08:00,602 --> 03:08:02,900 that, you know what, I'm going to pass on this. 4400 03:08:03,338 --> 03:08:06,398 And they said we can't use you because you are intertwined. 4401 03:08:06,642 --> 03:08:08,507 They wanted to kill me off in "Part 6," but we said nope, 4402 03:08:08,744 --> 03:08:09,802 not doing that to us. 4403 03:08:10,045 --> 03:08:11,842 [high-pitched shriek] 4404 03:08:12,281 --> 03:08:14,579 One of the very few brothers that survived 4405 03:08:14,816 --> 03:08:16,681 the "Friday the 1 3th" series by the way. 4406 03:08:16,918 --> 03:08:19,250 6 begins and it's a different actor, 4407 03:08:19,488 --> 03:08:20,580 it's a different story. 4408 03:08:20,822 --> 03:08:22,255 And enter Thom Matthews. 4409 03:08:22,491 --> 03:08:27,690 I did do a movie, a horror movie before 4410 03:08:27,929 --> 03:08:28,452 called 'Return of the Living Dead.' 4411 03:08:28,697 --> 03:08:32,633 [random screaming] 4412 03:08:32,868 --> 03:08:34,836 When Tommy shows up in 6, 4413 03:08:35,070 --> 03:08:35,559 Jason has not been cremated as you thought. 4414 03:08:35,804 --> 03:08:37,999 His body was cremated. 4415 03:08:38,440 --> 03:08:39,873 He's nothing but a handful of ash! 4416 03:08:40,309 --> 03:08:42,504 And beyond that, Tommy is no longer bat-shit crazy. 4417 03:08:42,744 --> 03:08:44,974 This is between me and Jason. 4418 03:08:45,414 --> 03:08:47,882 He has now apparently not only found his moral center, 4419 03:08:48,317 --> 03:08:49,944 he is a hero again. 4420 03:08:50,385 --> 03:08:51,443 And he's bringing Horshack with him no less. 4421 03:08:51,687 --> 03:08:53,416 Accompanying Tommy on his ghoulish quest 4422 03:08:53,655 --> 03:08:55,748 was fellow mental patient Allen Hawes, 4423 03:08:55,991 --> 03:08:58,755 played by the late Ron Palillo, 4424 03:08:58,994 --> 03:09:01,929 best known as "Horshack" from the cult 1 970s sitcom, 4425 03:09:02,364 --> 03:09:04,332 'Welcome Back Kotter.' 4426 03:09:04,566 --> 03:09:07,467 Once Jason was dead and Tommy was still around, 4427 03:09:07,703 --> 03:09:10,069 and he had gotten out of this institution, 4428 03:09:10,505 --> 03:09:13,338 you know, his vow was to go and make sure, you know, 4429 03:09:13,575 --> 03:09:15,406 Jason was dead. 4430 03:09:15,644 --> 03:09:18,613 My character goes over and grabs a metal stake 4431 03:09:18,847 --> 03:09:21,873 from the rotting wrought iron fence, 4432 03:09:22,117 --> 03:09:26,713 and I stick it into his heart several times. 4433 03:09:26,955 --> 03:09:28,354 Oh, shit. 4434 03:09:28,590 --> 03:09:30,023 It starts to rain, 4435 03:09:30,459 --> 03:09:32,324 Iightning bolt hits the rod 4436 03:09:32,561 --> 03:09:33,789 that's still stuck into his chest, 4437 03:09:34,029 --> 03:09:36,691 and it kind of revitalizes his body. 4438 03:09:36,932 --> 03:09:38,763 The Hawes character whacks him with the shovel 4439 03:09:39,000 --> 03:09:41,525 and all it does is, you know, get his attention. 4440 03:09:41,770 --> 03:09:42,737 He turns around and punches his heart out. 4441 03:09:42,971 --> 03:09:44,529 That was pretty interesting. 4442 03:09:44,773 --> 03:09:46,365 We made a foam rubber heart. 4443 03:09:46,608 --> 03:09:48,940 We had it so it could actually pump off camera, 4444 03:09:49,378 --> 03:09:51,642 and there were tubes running in that the guys on set 4445 03:09:51,880 --> 03:09:52,904 had the blood squirting out of it. 4446 03:09:53,148 --> 03:09:54,911 That also to me was important 4447 03:09:55,150 --> 03:09:56,378 because, you know, we've given him this power 4448 03:09:56,618 --> 03:09:58,609 with a lightning bolt. 4449 03:09:58,854 --> 03:10:01,721 He should be pretty damn, you know, unstoppable that way. 4450 03:10:01,957 --> 03:10:05,358 One of the exciting things for me 4451 03:10:05,594 --> 03:10:07,562 on "Friday the 1 3th Part 6' was the creation of Jason's mask. 4452 03:10:07,796 --> 03:10:10,765 And we wanted it to really look the same, 4453 03:10:10,999 --> 03:10:12,626 but we still had to customize it to our actor, 4454 03:10:12,868 --> 03:10:16,531 which was C. J. Graham in this. 4455 03:10:16,772 --> 03:10:17,466 Once he turns around after taking Horshack's heart out 4456 03:10:17,706 --> 03:10:19,799 and puts that hockey mask back on, 4457 03:10:20,041 --> 03:10:23,101 that was the last time you'll see me with my face exposed. 4458 03:10:23,545 --> 03:10:24,842 After that the inside of the prosthetics 4459 03:10:25,080 --> 03:10:26,604 became pretty simple. 4460 03:10:26,848 --> 03:10:29,544 But the people, Reel FX, they did a great job. 4461 03:10:29,785 --> 03:10:31,582 He had to be this unstoppable force. 4462 03:10:31,820 --> 03:10:34,380 And nobody was listening to Tommy 4463 03:10:34,623 --> 03:10:35,851 that he had brought him back to life. 4464 03:10:36,091 --> 03:10:37,558 You're gonna be sorry you didn't listen to me. 4465 03:10:37,793 --> 03:10:39,761 You're gonna be sorry if you don't shut up. 4466 03:10:39,995 --> 03:10:43,453 It did create a new rule which I thought was cool 4467 03:10:43,698 --> 03:10:45,962 only because, you know, how do you kill something 4468 03:10:46,201 --> 03:10:47,828 that is already dead?. 4469 03:10:48,069 --> 03:10:49,832 From the opening moments of McLoughlin's gothic, 4470 03:10:50,071 --> 03:10:51,402 tongue-in-cheek horror film, 4471 03:10:51,640 --> 03:10:54,040 fans were aware that they were in 4472 03:10:54,476 --> 03:10:56,501 for a very different 'Friday.' 4473 03:10:56,745 --> 03:10:58,804 I had nothing to do with the James Bond title sequence, 4474 03:10:59,047 --> 03:11:00,742 but when I saw it, I just absolutely loved it. 4475 03:11:00,982 --> 03:11:03,007 I thought it was, like, so cool. 4476 03:11:03,452 --> 03:11:05,511 And it was also a wink and a nod to the audience 4477 03:11:05,754 --> 03:11:08,518 saying "You're in store, this is something different. 4478 03:11:08,757 --> 03:11:10,019 We're having fun with this." 4479 03:11:10,459 --> 03:11:12,791 Does he think I'm a fart head?. 4480 03:11:13,028 --> 03:11:15,861 YES! 4481 03:11:16,097 --> 03:11:18,827 It was fun because every time Frank Mancuso, Jr. 4482 03:11:19,067 --> 03:11:22,036 came up with some bogus title 4483 03:11:22,471 --> 03:11:23,699 that we were making the 'Fridays' under, 4484 03:11:23,939 --> 03:11:25,804 and he was a huge Bowie fan, 4485 03:11:26,041 --> 03:11:29,704 so every movie had some Bowie song as the title. 4486 03:11:29,945 --> 03:11:33,005 'Part 3' was Crystal Japan, 4487 03:11:33,248 --> 03:11:37,446 and 'Part 5' was "Repetition," 4488 03:11:37,686 --> 03:11:38,550 and we had the one, which I thought was the best, 4489 03:11:38,787 --> 03:11:40,618 Aladdin Sane. 4490 03:11:40,856 --> 03:11:43,222 To play Megan Garris, the spunky sheriff's daughter, 4491 03:11:43,658 --> 03:11:44,886 McLoughlin chose Jennifer Cooke, 4492 03:11:45,126 --> 03:11:46,821 who had recently starred 4493 03:11:47,062 --> 03:11:49,530 in the science-fiction television series "V." 4494 03:11:49,764 --> 03:11:51,823 Jennifer Cooke was picked for two reasons. 4495 03:11:52,067 --> 03:11:55,730 One, the "Friday" girl always seemed to have to be blonde, 4496 03:11:55,971 --> 03:11:57,666 and I think that was Frank Mancuso's desire 4497 03:11:57,906 --> 03:11:59,100 to kind of carry on 4498 03:11:59,541 --> 03:12:01,771 the Hitchcock tradition of the blonde. 4499 03:12:02,010 --> 03:12:04,535 In my particular choice, 4500 03:12:04,779 --> 03:12:08,112 I wanted her to have a very kind of '30s, '40s snappy attitude. 4501 03:12:08,550 --> 03:12:10,211 Sheriff: Tommy Jarvis is a very sick boy. 4502 03:12:10,652 --> 03:12:11,584 Megan: How do you know, dad?. What did you do?. 4503 03:12:11,820 --> 03:12:13,515 Take his temperature?. 4504 03:12:13,755 --> 03:12:16,952 Like a--you know, like Barbara Stanwyck was, 4505 03:12:17,192 --> 03:12:19,023 or Jean Arthur back in the day. 4506 03:12:19,261 --> 03:12:21,661 Playing Megan was terrific, and she really was a feisty girl. 4507 03:12:21,897 --> 03:12:24,730 I would say like most girls her age, 4508 03:12:24,966 --> 03:12:27,833 she was figuring a few things out in life, 4509 03:12:28,069 --> 03:12:31,732 Iike how to fall in love, and how to say no to your dad. 4510 03:12:31,973 --> 03:12:33,497 You keep forgetting, little Megan, 4511 03:12:33,742 --> 03:12:34,834 I'm the parent, and you're the child! 4512 03:12:35,076 --> 03:12:36,839 That's right. 4513 03:12:37,078 --> 03:12:37,908 When are you gonna stop treating me like one?. 4514 03:12:38,146 --> 03:12:39,841 When you stop acting like one! 4515 03:12:40,081 --> 03:12:41,776 I've been an acting coach for a long time 4516 03:12:42,017 --> 03:12:43,541 and actually Jennifer studied with me. 4517 03:12:43,785 --> 03:12:45,116 And so we knew each other. 4518 03:12:45,554 --> 03:12:47,181 David Kagan was also-- 4519 03:12:47,622 --> 03:12:49,954 his character name was Sheriff Garris, 4520 03:12:50,191 --> 03:12:51,590 and he was cleverly named after a horror director 4521 03:12:51,826 --> 03:12:53,555 named Mick Garris. 4522 03:12:53,795 --> 03:12:55,660 And Tom inserted a lot of those references 4523 03:12:55,897 --> 03:12:57,194 throughout the movie. 4524 03:12:57,632 --> 03:12:59,566 One was the town of Carpenter, 4525 03:12:59,801 --> 03:13:02,133 you know, after John Carpenter and "Halloween." 4526 03:13:02,571 --> 03:13:03,833 The best I can do is call the station in Carpenter 4527 03:13:04,072 --> 03:13:05,198 and have them keep a look out for them. 4528 03:13:05,640 --> 03:13:07,198 And then the other was Cunningham Road. 4529 03:13:07,642 --> 03:13:08,904 Drive out to Cunningham Road and look for him. 4530 03:13:09,144 --> 03:13:11,044 Megan! 4531 03:13:11,279 --> 03:13:12,940 If you watch the movie there's are a lot of little references 4532 03:13:13,181 --> 03:13:15,012 to Frankenstein, you know, in there. 4533 03:13:15,250 --> 03:13:17,718 the Karloff, you know, market. 4534 03:13:17,953 --> 03:13:19,250 Where are you?. 4535 03:13:19,688 --> 03:13:22,156 Uh, Karloff's General something 4536 03:13:22,591 --> 03:13:24,923 There was stuff all over that picture, 4537 03:13:25,160 --> 03:13:28,186 just signs on walls. 4538 03:13:28,630 --> 03:13:31,224 He had really done a great job in pulling all that together. 4539 03:13:31,666 --> 03:13:33,156 Harry did such an amazing job with the score 4540 03:13:33,602 --> 03:13:36,230 because you know, he kept the "Friday' score 4541 03:13:36,671 --> 03:13:39,299 but he had, you know, this whole Gregorian, gothic feeling to it 4542 03:13:39,741 --> 03:13:41,572 with what he added. 4543 03:13:41,810 --> 03:13:43,675 The score was different because the movie was different. 4544 03:13:43,912 --> 03:13:47,871 It was probably the first one that really, to me, 4545 03:13:48,116 --> 03:13:49,743 felt like, "Wow! 4546 03:13:49,985 --> 03:13:53,648 This has turned into an actual movie. 4547 03:13:53,888 --> 03:13:58,655 Over the years, it's come up that, you know, I was doing, 4548 03:13:58,893 --> 03:14:01,589 both a horror movie of "Friday the 1 3th," 4549 03:14:01,830 --> 03:14:03,798 and also sort of doing a satirization 4550 03:14:04,032 --> 03:14:06,865 of, not so much the "Friday," 4551 03:14:07,102 --> 03:14:09,263 but the kind of slasher movies in general. 4552 03:14:09,704 --> 03:14:11,865 The fact that the characters reference Jason, 4553 03:14:12,107 --> 03:14:13,836 make jokes about it, 4554 03:14:14,075 --> 03:14:17,169 I enjoyed, I thought it was a lot of fun. 4555 03:14:17,412 --> 03:14:19,380 Because I've seen enough horror movies 4556 03:14:19,814 --> 03:14:20,303 to know any weirdo wearing a mask is never friendly. 4557 03:14:20,749 --> 03:14:22,876 Happy Friday the 1 3th. 4558 03:14:23,118 --> 03:14:24,949 The object of the game is to find out 4559 03:14:25,186 --> 03:14:28,053 which cabin Jason is in! 4560 03:14:28,289 --> 03:14:29,278 What if it's that guy, Jason?. 4561 03:14:29,724 --> 03:14:31,191 I don't wanna know. 4562 03:14:31,426 --> 03:14:33,018 It was real. Just like on TV! 4563 03:14:33,261 --> 03:14:35,752 I think we're dead meat. 4564 03:14:35,997 --> 03:14:39,160 Sowhat were you gonna be when you grew up?. 4565 03:14:39,401 --> 03:14:42,996 Some folks have a strange idea of entertainment. 4566 03:14:43,238 --> 03:14:45,706 It was a way of really kind of having fun 4567 03:14:45,940 --> 03:14:47,965 and involving the fans. 4568 03:14:48,209 --> 03:14:50,700 Tommy's very bizarre sense of humor 4569 03:14:50,945 --> 03:14:53,004 really shines through, I think. 4570 03:14:53,248 --> 03:14:55,682 But, yet, a fondness. 4571 03:14:55,917 --> 03:14:57,851 You know I found out years later, 4572 03:14:58,086 --> 03:15:01,021 meeting Kevin Williamson, 4573 03:15:01,256 --> 03:15:05,022 that that did have an influence on him for "Scream." 4574 03:15:05,260 --> 03:15:07,888 Killer: Name the killer in "Friday the 1 3th." 4575 03:15:08,129 --> 03:15:10,791 Casey: Jason! Jason! Jason! 4576 03:15:11,032 --> 03:15:13,967 Everyone was, you know, very fun and wholesome kids, 4577 03:15:14,202 --> 03:15:15,760 you know, innocent. 4578 03:15:16,004 --> 03:15:18,131 For the roles of likeable camp leaders Darren and Lizbeth, 4579 03:15:18,373 --> 03:15:20,705 McLoughlin cast his wife Nancy 4580 03:15:20,942 --> 03:15:23,410 and a young actor who would find out-of-this-world success 4581 03:15:23,845 --> 03:15:25,870 after his brief encounter with Jason. 4582 03:15:26,114 --> 03:15:27,843 The big discovery of the movie was Tony Goldwyn. 4583 03:15:28,083 --> 03:15:30,677 "Ghost." 4584 03:15:30,919 --> 03:15:35,856 He became famous for the movie "Ghost." 4585 03:15:36,091 --> 03:15:38,184 The thing that Tommy brought him back to life with 4586 03:15:38,426 --> 03:15:41,020 is this spear that he yanked off of a fence. 4587 03:15:41,262 --> 03:15:44,129 So once Jason had that, 4588 03:15:44,365 --> 03:15:48,927 he had something to spear both Tony Goldwyn and Nancy with. 4589 03:15:49,170 --> 03:15:51,900 (Screams) 4590 03:15:52,140 --> 03:15:56,042 My wife Nancy had a pretty close call in the movie, 4591 03:15:56,277 --> 03:15:59,804 and it was completely unintended. 4592 03:16:00,048 --> 03:16:02,073 She actually almost got impaled because of the windshield. 4593 03:16:02,317 --> 03:16:06,014 It changed the trajectory of the spear 4594 03:16:06,254 --> 03:16:08,484 that Jason was lunging through the windshield. 4595 03:16:08,923 --> 03:16:11,915 I would have been speared, and it missed me by a speck. 4596 03:16:12,160 --> 03:16:12,956 I mean they could only do it once. 4597 03:16:13,194 --> 03:16:16,027 It was really scary. 4598 03:16:16,264 --> 03:16:18,357 And then there was obviously the times 4599 03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:19,391 where somebody tries to reason with him. 4600 03:16:19,834 --> 03:16:22,894 Please! Take anything! 4601 03:16:23,138 --> 03:16:24,105 You know, as Nancy does in her scene, 4602 03:16:24,339 --> 03:16:25,772 tries to offer him, 4603 03:16:26,007 --> 03:16:30,774 money and credit cards and stuff. 4604 03:16:31,012 --> 03:16:33,071 My head was submerged, literally in the mud, 4605 03:16:33,314 --> 03:16:34,372 Iiterally with a vice. 4606 03:16:34,816 --> 03:16:36,340 And they gave me a regulator 4607 03:16:36,785 --> 03:16:38,218 thinking that would keep me well. 4608 03:16:38,453 --> 03:16:40,921 Well, apparently regulators don't work in the mud, 4609 03:16:41,156 --> 03:16:42,783 so the mud's creeping down my throat. 4610 03:16:43,024 --> 03:16:44,753 The American Express card 4611 03:16:44,993 --> 03:16:46,460 was another thing that I knew 4612 03:16:46,895 --> 03:16:48,954 the way audiences responded in those days, 4613 03:16:49,197 --> 03:16:51,290 that when that card floated, 4614 03:16:51,533 --> 03:16:53,023 there would always be some joker in the back of the theatre 4615 03:16:53,268 --> 03:16:55,168 that would go, "Don't leave home without it!" 4616 03:16:55,403 --> 03:16:57,132 And everybody would laugh. 4617 03:16:57,372 --> 03:16:59,306 They say that there's always a reason 4618 03:16:59,541 --> 03:17:00,405 that Jason kills someone. 4619 03:17:00,842 --> 03:17:02,867 What did I do?. 4620 03:17:03,111 --> 03:17:05,409 I mean, I was driving. I wasn't having sex. 4621 03:17:05,847 --> 03:17:07,781 I mean, I was with a guy but we were doing nothing, 4622 03:17:08,016 --> 03:17:09,881 so it's curious as to why we were killed. 4623 03:17:10,118 --> 03:17:10,413 I've never figured that one out. 4624 03:17:10,852 --> 03:17:12,877 Jason has no bias. 4625 03:17:13,121 --> 03:17:15,385 If you were in his territory, fair game. 4626 03:17:15,824 --> 03:17:17,485 To establish a new look for Crystal Lake-- 4627 03:17:17,926 --> 03:17:21,020 now rechristened Forest Green-- 4628 03:17:21,262 --> 03:17:25,221 McLoughlin took his cast and crew to rural Georgia, 4629 03:17:25,466 --> 03:17:28,799 where they soon discovered some interesting local pastimes. 4630 03:17:29,037 --> 03:17:32,200 The big thing for the kids to do on Friday nights 4631 03:17:32,440 --> 03:17:35,375 was a big parking lot, 4632 03:17:35,610 --> 03:17:37,407 and they would just drive around in this circle 4633 03:17:37,846 --> 03:17:39,575 and drive this loop, 4634 03:17:40,014 --> 03:17:41,379 and that was the big thing to do at night. 4635 03:17:41,616 --> 03:17:43,846 But it was kind of remote and sort of out of it, 4636 03:17:44,085 --> 03:17:47,145 kind of not cozy, for lack of a better word. 4637 03:17:47,388 --> 03:17:49,049 The camp we shot at, Daniel Morgan, 4638 03:17:49,290 --> 03:17:53,192 actually was the site also of the movies 4639 03:17:53,428 --> 03:17:54,156 "Little Darlings," and "Poiison lvy." 4640 03:17:54,395 --> 03:17:56,158 6 was a lot more fun to do than 5. 4641 03:17:56,397 --> 03:17:59,093 I think everybody else was happy. 4642 03:17:59,334 --> 03:18:00,528 You had Tom McLoughlin, who I think is a real director. 4643 03:18:00,969 --> 03:18:03,437 It really was like a family. 4644 03:18:03,872 --> 03:18:06,363 When you film something on location, 4645 03:18:06,608 --> 03:18:09,168 you tend to get to know the cast and crew a lot better 4646 03:18:09,410 --> 03:18:11,503 than you would if you were filming at a movie studio 4647 03:18:11,946 --> 03:18:13,379 where you get to go home every night. 4648 03:18:13,615 --> 03:18:16,243 It's not love, it's location because everybody... 4649 03:18:16,484 --> 03:18:20,284 I was the den mother, and they'd come with these huge crushes. 4650 03:18:20,521 --> 03:18:23,115 She was great. She took care of everybody. 4651 03:18:23,358 --> 03:18:25,349 She was mothering everyone from the beginning. 4652 03:18:25,593 --> 03:18:28,494 Absolutely. I'm glad she survived the movie. 4653 03:18:28,930 --> 03:18:31,023 because that spear could have gone right through her. 4654 03:18:31,266 --> 03:18:33,166 By a speck! 4655 03:18:33,401 --> 03:18:34,993 I just had such fun. 4656 03:18:35,236 --> 03:18:36,430 I mean, it's like a big improvisation. 4657 03:18:36,671 --> 03:18:39,299 With Tom's words. 4658 03:18:39,540 --> 03:18:42,976 He was filming a film that took place in a camp, 4659 03:18:43,211 --> 03:18:45,873 and it was like he was running a camp for wayward actors. 4660 03:18:46,114 --> 03:18:49,083 Despite the congenial, family-like atmosphere, 4661 03:18:49,317 --> 03:18:51,547 not everyone supported the director's artistic aspirations 4662 03:18:51,986 --> 03:18:53,510 for the film. 4663 03:18:53,955 --> 03:18:56,082 There was a man who, Don Behrns, 4664 03:18:56,324 --> 03:18:59,293 who was a little on the cheap side. 4665 03:18:59,527 --> 03:19:01,461 The first horror film I ever worked on 4666 03:19:01,696 --> 03:19:04,130 was "Halloween 1," 4667 03:19:04,365 --> 03:19:06,458 which nobody ever knew was going to be 4668 03:19:06,701 --> 03:19:08,601 the big success that it was. 4669 03:19:09,037 --> 03:19:11,938 He, you know, certainly had a past with doing, you know, 4670 03:19:12,173 --> 03:19:14,937 horror movies and things so he seemed like the right candidate. 4671 03:19:15,176 --> 03:19:18,168 And, at the time, you know, he made me very angry 4672 03:19:18,413 --> 03:19:21,109 because as the writer/director, you know, you had a vision. 4673 03:19:21,349 --> 03:19:23,078 Everything was nickel and diming, nickel and diming. 4674 03:19:23,318 --> 03:19:24,910 If I wanted a crane shot for this, 4675 03:19:25,153 --> 03:19:26,120 or I wanted this for this, 4676 03:19:26,354 --> 03:19:28,515 and many times I showed up on the set, 4677 03:19:28,957 --> 03:19:31,118 and it's like, "Where is it?. " 4678 03:19:31,359 --> 03:19:33,327 It's like, "Oh, yeah. I forgot to tell you." 4679 03:19:33,561 --> 03:19:36,291 You know I wanted to kill him. 4680 03:19:36,531 --> 03:19:40,058 He said, "By any chance, you got a deal with Frank, 4681 03:19:40,301 --> 03:19:42,701 do you get a bonus for getting this picture done on time?. " 4682 03:19:43,137 --> 03:19:44,934 I said, "Yes, I do." 4683 03:19:45,173 --> 03:19:47,198 At the end of the day, you know, 4684 03:19:47,442 --> 03:19:50,104 every time you have a restriction, 4685 03:19:50,345 --> 03:19:52,142 you have to come up with something else. 4686 03:19:52,380 --> 03:19:54,610 And lots of times you come up with something better. 4687 03:19:55,049 --> 03:19:58,018 By the time cameras rolled in January 1 986, 4688 03:19:58,252 --> 03:20:00,584 McLoughlin had surrounded himself with a loyal crew 4689 03:20:01,022 --> 03:20:03,456 and a likeable ensemble cast, 4690 03:20:03,691 --> 03:20:07,286 several of whom were recruited from his comedy and mime days. 4691 03:20:07,528 --> 03:20:11,055 Tom McLoughlin wanted to cast experienced actors 4692 03:20:11,299 --> 03:20:13,267 in the first scene that he shot in this movie 4693 03:20:13,501 --> 03:20:15,731 because he wanted to be ahead of schedule. 4694 03:20:16,170 --> 03:20:17,501 It was a fairly complicated scene. 4695 03:20:17,739 --> 03:20:19,104 We were all being beheaded. 4696 03:20:19,340 --> 03:20:22,275 I knew Tom from the LA Mime Company. 4697 03:20:22,510 --> 03:20:23,477 He was the director of the LA Mime Company, 4698 03:20:23,711 --> 03:20:25,338 and I was a mime in there. 4699 03:20:25,580 --> 03:20:27,047 And when he was going to do this film, 4700 03:20:27,281 --> 03:20:28,680 he talked to me. 4701 03:20:29,117 --> 03:20:30,084 "Well, I have a part I'd like you to do." 4702 03:20:30,318 --> 03:20:31,285 And I said, "Oh, great. Do I get killed??"' 4703 03:20:31,519 --> 03:20:33,510 He said, "Yes." 4704 03:20:33,755 --> 03:20:35,017 We actually were playing paintball, and it really hurts. 4705 03:20:35,256 --> 03:20:38,123 After I got off a great shot, 4706 03:20:38,359 --> 03:20:41,522 I made the men put on headbands that said "Dead." 4707 03:20:41,763 --> 03:20:45,096 Don't be spoilsports. Put on your headbands. 4708 03:20:45,333 --> 03:20:47,426 (whispering) A foreshadowing of things to come. 4709 03:20:47,668 --> 03:20:50,034 One of my favorite kills in 6 4710 03:20:50,271 --> 03:20:53,399 was the sort of misogynist guy with the machete 4711 03:20:53,641 --> 03:20:56,235 who has the machete, and he's hacking the branches 4712 03:20:56,477 --> 03:20:58,308 and complaining about women should, you know, 4713 03:20:58,546 --> 03:21:00,104 stay in the kitchen. 4714 03:21:00,348 --> 03:21:03,249 She should've stayed in the kitchen where she belongs! 4715 03:21:03,484 --> 03:21:05,543 A woman shouldn't even be allowed in these games! 4716 03:21:05,787 --> 03:21:08,756 And then Jason grabs his arm and throws him against the tree, 4717 03:21:09,190 --> 03:21:10,782 and he winds up hitting the tree 4718 03:21:11,225 --> 03:21:13,352 and his head goes back, 4719 03:21:13,594 --> 03:21:17,223 and there's like a bloody smiley face on the tree, 4720 03:21:17,465 --> 03:21:19,763 and you see Jason holding his arm that's been severed 4721 03:21:20,201 --> 03:21:21,293 from the rest of his body. 4722 03:21:21,536 --> 03:21:22,662 And then it was a question of going, 4723 03:21:23,104 --> 03:21:24,765 Okay, you know, we've seen decapitations, 4724 03:21:25,206 --> 03:21:26,537 you know, how do we take it one more step?. 4725 03:21:26,774 --> 03:21:29,140 Okay, let's do three in one. 4726 03:21:29,377 --> 03:21:31,504 You know, so that three heads went at the same time. 4727 03:21:31,746 --> 03:21:34,044 Jim Gill, who now runs Reel Effects, 4728 03:21:34,282 --> 03:21:36,546 did this really cool gag where 4729 03:21:36,784 --> 03:21:39,412 as the idea was as we passed the machete 4730 03:21:39,654 --> 03:21:42,817 across the three artificial dummies, 4731 03:21:43,257 --> 03:21:45,623 a trip mechanism would perfectly send the heads off 4732 03:21:45,860 --> 03:21:47,191 at the right time. 4733 03:21:47,428 --> 03:21:49,692 It was really authentic, really excellent. 4734 03:21:50,131 --> 03:21:52,190 Then we made the legs so they would buckle at the knees 4735 03:21:52,433 --> 03:21:53,297 and collapse out of frame. 4736 03:21:53,534 --> 03:21:55,502 A lot of work went into that. 4737 03:21:55,736 --> 03:21:59,570 And the rating system made them cut that back. 4738 03:21:59,807 --> 03:22:01,832 The head was so realistic. 4739 03:22:02,276 --> 03:22:06,508 The eyes, I had more hair at the time. 4740 03:22:06,747 --> 03:22:10,148 It wasn't until the first screening 4741 03:22:10,384 --> 03:22:13,478 about two minutes before that scene came on 4742 03:22:13,721 --> 03:22:16,087 and someone on the crew leaned forward 4743 03:22:16,324 --> 03:22:17,291 and tapped me on the shoulder and said, 4744 03:22:17,525 --> 03:22:20,551 "By the way, the triple decapitation has been edited out 4745 03:22:20,795 --> 03:22:21,727 because of the ratings." 4746 03:22:22,163 --> 03:22:23,721 And I'm like, "What??"' 4747 03:22:24,165 --> 03:22:26,292 Just as I turned back to watch the machete go up, 4748 03:22:26,534 --> 03:22:29,162 and I think you see the bodies crumple by frame, 4749 03:22:29,403 --> 03:22:31,303 and I remember thinking, "Wow. What a shame." 4750 03:22:31,539 --> 03:22:34,167 When he fires the paintball thing to Jason, 4751 03:22:34,408 --> 03:22:36,467 and Jason looks down, 4752 03:22:36,711 --> 03:22:38,679 I thought that was like really, really funny. 4753 03:22:38,913 --> 03:22:40,710 You see me running away, 4754 03:22:41,149 --> 03:22:43,481 and Jason following me with the machete, and I'm going, 4755 03:22:43,718 --> 03:22:44,377 "Help, help, help." 4756 03:22:44,619 --> 03:22:45,813 He's gonna kill me! 4757 03:22:46,254 --> 03:22:48,119 And then they cut away, 4758 03:22:48,356 --> 03:22:51,189 and nothing is ever said about Roy until later. 4759 03:22:51,425 --> 03:22:53,689 "Did you find Roy?. " And the went, "Yeah." 4760 03:22:53,928 --> 03:22:59,423 And they pull out an arm, and my glasses and parts of Roy. 4761 03:22:59,667 --> 03:23:01,157 I'll order up some body bags. 4762 03:23:01,402 --> 03:23:04,894 There were the kids 4763 03:23:05,339 --> 03:23:06,328 and then there was the Sheriff's assistant-- me, 4764 03:23:06,574 --> 03:23:09,168 Deputy Rick Cologne. 4765 03:23:09,410 --> 03:23:12,345 And my mail order laser scope 4766 03:23:12,580 --> 03:23:13,569 which, you know, as you see where the movie takes place, 4767 03:23:13,814 --> 03:23:15,748 it had to be mail order. 4768 03:23:16,184 --> 03:23:17,276 There was not a whole lot of places to go 4769 03:23:17,518 --> 03:23:18,280 and buy that kind of thing. 4770 03:23:18,519 --> 03:23:22,353 Wherever the red dot goes... ya bang! 4771 03:23:22,590 --> 03:23:26,287 Trying to find a cemetery that would allow us to shoot, 4772 03:23:26,527 --> 03:23:27,858 even though we were calling the movie Aladdin Sane. 4773 03:23:28,296 --> 03:23:30,491 'Cause that was the whole thing, 4774 03:23:30,731 --> 03:23:32,460 we did not want to say we were "Friday the 1 3th." 4775 03:23:32,700 --> 03:23:35,430 Old Madison Cemetery, where we finally got permission, 4776 03:23:35,670 --> 03:23:38,798 and we had one area where we could drive the truck in there 4777 03:23:39,240 --> 03:23:40,502 90 miles an hour over the train tracks 4778 03:23:40,741 --> 03:23:41,639 and into there. 4779 03:23:41,876 --> 03:23:43,707 There was an entrance made 4780 03:23:43,945 --> 03:23:46,641 so it looked like the front of the cemetery. 4781 03:23:46,881 --> 03:23:50,681 And then the rest of it was staying on the paths 4782 03:23:50,918 --> 03:23:52,818 until the point where he gets tackled 4783 03:23:53,254 --> 03:23:54,687 and then that was kind of a bare area. 4784 03:23:54,922 --> 03:23:57,686 But like anything else in movies, 4785 03:23:57,925 --> 03:24:00,223 you're given permission to do something, 4786 03:24:00,461 --> 03:24:04,363 and you try to make the best out of what you're given. 4787 03:24:04,599 --> 03:24:06,829 Echoing the behind-the-scenes controversies of "Part 2," 4788 03:24:07,268 --> 03:24:09,702 the original stuntman hired to play Jason 4789 03:24:09,937 --> 03:24:12,405 was replaced during the early days of production. 4790 03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:14,403 Originally we had a stunt coordinator 4791 03:24:14,642 --> 03:24:18,305 who was also playing Jason, which is Dan Bradley. 4792 03:24:18,546 --> 03:24:21,572 We started the movie doing all the daytime sequences, 4793 03:24:21,816 --> 03:24:24,307 all the things with the paintballers and stuff, 4794 03:24:24,552 --> 03:24:28,511 and so all that was Dan as Jason. 4795 03:24:28,756 --> 03:24:30,690 And Paramount, when they got the dailies, 4796 03:24:30,925 --> 03:24:32,756 somehow - and I don't even know whose decision it was 4797 03:24:32,994 --> 03:24:34,723 because I was busy shooting, 4798 03:24:34,962 --> 03:24:36,395 said that we're making a change. 4799 03:24:36,631 --> 03:24:38,258 "What do you mean?. " 4800 03:24:38,499 --> 03:24:39,329 "We're getting a different Jason." 4801 03:24:39,567 --> 03:24:42,832 "Why??"' "Just trust us, we need to do this." 4802 03:24:43,271 --> 03:24:44,795 I remember that Dan didn't, apparently, 4803 03:24:45,039 --> 03:24:46,233 didn't look that good on screen. 4804 03:24:46,474 --> 03:24:49,341 Apparently had put on a few pounds. 4805 03:24:49,577 --> 03:24:51,272 For a person who had been dead for a long time, 4806 03:24:51,512 --> 03:24:52,638 he had been eating pretty well. 4807 03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:54,245 It was devastating to me. 4808 03:24:54,482 --> 03:24:55,642 It was certainly devastating to Dan, 4809 03:24:55,883 --> 03:24:58,818 and l, you know, 4810 03:24:59,053 --> 03:25:01,715 as I said I just was really leery 4811 03:25:01,956 --> 03:25:02,923 about who was going to walk in that door. 4812 03:25:03,357 --> 03:25:05,587 And, you know, in comes CJ 4813 03:25:05,826 --> 03:25:08,852 who had really little or no experience. 4814 03:25:09,297 --> 03:25:11,424 He was large and imposing, and that's what they wanted. 4815 03:25:11,666 --> 03:25:13,497 CJ was huge. 4816 03:25:13,734 --> 03:25:16,362 He looked the part, but he was a gentle giant. 4817 03:25:16,604 --> 03:25:19,368 So, frankly, when he was grabbing people 4818 03:25:19,607 --> 03:25:20,835 and chasing us through the woods, 4819 03:25:21,075 --> 03:25:24,374 we had to do a lot of acting 4820 03:25:24,612 --> 03:25:26,045 because he just wasn't that scary in person. 4821 03:25:26,480 --> 03:25:27,811 He didn't want too much of a zombie, 4822 03:25:28,049 --> 03:25:29,516 but he wanted that fear, that anger, 4823 03:25:29,750 --> 03:25:31,047 and the projection had to be through the body, 4824 03:25:31,485 --> 03:25:33,419 1 00% through the body. 4825 03:25:33,654 --> 03:25:36,589 Just a simplistic little movement would create fear. 4826 03:25:36,824 --> 03:25:38,758 I pray the lord my soul to keep. 4827 03:25:38,993 --> 03:25:40,051 If I should die before I wake 4828 03:25:40,494 --> 03:25:42,724 Many of those small, little physical nuances 4829 03:25:42,963 --> 03:25:46,455 definitely helped add, you know, 4830 03:25:46,701 --> 03:25:48,601 that sense that, you know, there was a machine in there, 4831 03:25:48,836 --> 03:25:51,031 Iike Terminator. 4832 03:25:51,472 --> 03:25:53,497 But at the same time you had to give a little bit of that 4833 03:25:53,741 --> 03:25:54,935 human thought process so you didn't become robotic. 4834 03:25:55,376 --> 03:25:59,836 Ki-ki-ki-ma-ma-ma 4835 03:26:00,081 --> 03:26:02,606 I remember my first scene, my very, very first scene. 4836 03:26:02,850 --> 03:26:04,875 It was a back shot. Me walking towards the trailer. 4837 03:26:05,119 --> 03:26:07,917 Where Jason sees the Winnebago moving, 4838 03:26:08,356 --> 03:26:10,085 and he kind of tilts his head in a humorous sort of way. 4839 03:26:10,524 --> 03:26:12,685 You know, he wants to understand 4840 03:26:12,927 --> 03:26:13,552 what the noise is about, why the mobile home is rocking. 4841 03:26:13,794 --> 03:26:15,455 You're the best! 4842 03:26:15,696 --> 03:26:17,061 During my love scene, 4843 03:26:17,498 --> 03:26:19,796 they had a little powwow and said, 4844 03:26:20,034 --> 03:26:21,501 "We don't have any nudity in this." 4845 03:26:21,736 --> 03:26:24,432 so they asked me if I'd be interested in doing it topless. 4846 03:26:24,672 --> 03:26:26,037 The contracts had been signed, 4847 03:26:26,474 --> 03:26:28,066 so that just didn't seem to pan out. 4848 03:26:28,509 --> 03:26:29,771 The best part about working with all the actors and actresses 4849 03:26:30,010 --> 03:26:33,411 that I worked for is we had a great camaraderie. 4850 03:26:33,647 --> 03:26:35,740 They trusted me which was a great feeling. 4851 03:26:35,983 --> 03:26:38,110 I'm walking by the bathroom of the Winnebago, 4852 03:26:38,552 --> 03:26:40,417 and Jason comes out of the bathroom, 4853 03:26:40,654 --> 03:26:41,951 grabs me from behind, slams the door 4854 03:26:42,390 --> 03:26:44,051 and there I have this amazing fight with him. 4855 03:26:44,492 --> 03:26:46,016 And I'm this little tiny person, 4856 03:26:46,460 --> 03:26:49,827 and I really gave it my all and fought with him. 4857 03:26:50,064 --> 03:26:51,622 I mean, I had to take a young lady's face 4858 03:26:51,866 --> 03:26:55,358 and slam it into a camera lens with force. 4859 03:26:55,603 --> 03:26:58,037 Slammed it through the wall of the Winnebago 4860 03:26:58,472 --> 03:27:03,569 where the imprint of my face came out. 4861 03:27:03,811 --> 03:27:05,540 And how they actually did that is they filmed it underwater, 4862 03:27:05,780 --> 03:27:07,577 and they shot it in slow mo, 4863 03:27:07,815 --> 03:27:09,749 getting--pushing through this piece of plastic underwater. 4864 03:27:09,984 --> 03:27:10,973 John Travolta's nephew, 4865 03:27:11,419 --> 03:27:15,879 who's driving the RV, Jason comes behind him. 4866 03:27:16,123 --> 03:27:18,057 And the way the guy's rocking out, and listening to music 4867 03:27:18,492 --> 03:27:20,084 and looks up and all that. 4868 03:27:20,528 --> 03:27:23,725 Hey, Nikki what are you doing back there, taking a dump?. 4869 03:27:23,964 --> 03:27:27,058 And we're driving along and up until 4870 03:27:27,501 --> 03:27:28,160 the slamming of the knife into the side of his head, 4871 03:27:28,602 --> 03:27:29,864 it's a real knife. 4872 03:27:30,104 --> 03:27:31,935 I mean, and he's trusting me, 4873 03:27:32,173 --> 03:27:33,401 and I'm wearing a hockey mask, 4874 03:27:33,641 --> 03:27:37,133 and I'm not just taking a cheap shot of force. 4875 03:27:37,578 --> 03:27:38,840 I'm throwing that knife towards his head. 4876 03:27:39,079 --> 03:27:42,640 Stein-stein-stein-stein-stein 4877 03:27:42,883 --> 03:27:44,783 But then that iconic thing with that big crash 4878 03:27:45,019 --> 03:27:46,953 and then Jason on top of the RV 4879 03:27:47,188 --> 03:27:48,678 with the fire in the background. 4880 03:27:48,923 --> 03:27:50,083 Literally the last shot of the film. 4881 03:27:50,524 --> 03:27:51,513 The sun was coming up. 4882 03:27:51,759 --> 03:27:53,818 I was on my knees praying 4883 03:27:54,061 --> 03:27:55,858 that this guy wasn't going to get killed doing this 4884 03:27:56,096 --> 03:27:59,896 because nobody had ever flipped an RV like that before. 4885 03:28:00,134 --> 03:28:02,034 And I guess, what I heard later 4886 03:28:02,470 --> 03:28:04,904 is that our production manager, Don, 4887 03:28:05,139 --> 03:28:07,664 wanted the swamp cooler that was up on top of that. 4888 03:28:07,908 --> 03:28:10,035 He had little special deals for himself, 4889 03:28:10,478 --> 03:28:12,105 and one of the special deals, my understanding is, 4890 03:28:12,546 --> 03:28:13,774 he had this swamp cooler that he pulled aside-- 4891 03:28:14,014 --> 03:28:16,175 $5,000 swamp cooler. 4892 03:28:16,617 --> 03:28:18,175 Well, apparently some people got wind of that 4893 03:28:18,619 --> 03:28:20,553 and got a little excited. 4894 03:28:20,788 --> 03:28:22,756 And they all marched over there, 4895 03:28:22,990 --> 03:28:25,185 and they tied it to the top of the RV. 4896 03:28:25,626 --> 03:28:28,959 And when the thing flew and hit, 4897 03:28:29,196 --> 03:28:31,221 the first thing to fly off was that swamp cooler, you know. 4898 03:28:31,665 --> 03:28:33,633 And as it exploded, 4899 03:28:33,868 --> 03:28:37,463 the cheers that went up, and the excitement over 4900 03:28:37,705 --> 03:28:39,900 "We got him. We got him." 4901 03:28:40,140 --> 03:28:41,767 It was worth every penny-pinching moment. 4902 03:28:42,009 --> 03:28:43,806 [sigh] 4903 03:28:44,044 --> 03:28:46,205 The car chase scenes were really fun, 4904 03:28:46,647 --> 03:28:49,047 and I was pretty comfortable doing those 4905 03:28:49,283 --> 03:28:52,514 because, I must admit, my first car when I was 1 6 years old 4906 03:28:52,753 --> 03:28:55,722 was a 1 970 Firebird 4907 03:28:55,956 --> 03:28:58,015 that looked a lot like Megan's car. 4908 03:28:58,259 --> 03:28:59,920 This is gonna be a hairy turn. 4909 03:29:00,160 --> 03:29:01,149 They were just looking for a guy to play a cop. 4910 03:29:01,595 --> 03:29:03,062 Officer Pappas was a little vain. 4911 03:29:03,297 --> 03:29:05,128 Come on, handsome. 4912 03:29:05,566 --> 03:29:08,262 And I got to say one of my favorite lines-- 4913 03:29:08,702 --> 03:29:10,101 You got a description of the plates?. 4914 03:29:10,538 --> 03:29:11,596 I got the whole enchilada. 4915 03:29:11,839 --> 03:29:15,741 "I've got the whole enchilada." 4916 03:29:15,976 --> 03:29:17,136 Megan, step out of the car. 4917 03:29:17,578 --> 03:29:19,205 End of the line. 4918 03:29:19,647 --> 03:29:23,083 As Tommy is locked up by Sheriff Garris, 4919 03:29:23,317 --> 03:29:26,582 Jason's primal instincts lead him back to Camp Forest Green. 4920 03:29:26,820 --> 03:29:28,720 One of the other sort of notorious aspects 4921 03:29:28,956 --> 03:29:30,981 of my "Friday," 4922 03:29:31,225 --> 03:29:34,251 it's the only one that actually has kids at the camp. 4923 03:29:34,695 --> 03:29:36,026 And I don't think there was anybody in fandom 4924 03:29:36,263 --> 03:29:38,823 that wanted Jason to kill children. 4925 03:29:39,066 --> 03:29:42,593 It just gave it, to me, another level of "Oh my God. 4926 03:29:42,836 --> 03:29:44,531 Are they going to actually show kids getting killed?. " 4927 03:29:44,772 --> 03:29:47,832 Tom spent more time shooting the kids 4928 03:29:48,075 --> 03:29:50,009 and working on their performances 4929 03:29:50,244 --> 03:29:51,973 in a lot of ways than he did on the kills 4930 03:29:52,212 --> 03:29:53,645 that were going on in the movie. 4931 03:29:53,881 --> 03:29:55,212 One of the little girls in the bed, 4932 03:29:55,649 --> 03:29:57,173 she's laying there and all of a sudden 4933 03:29:57,618 --> 03:29:58,312 Jason's walking down the aisle 4934 03:29:58,752 --> 03:30:00,652 and leans down to the bed 4935 03:30:00,888 --> 03:30:04,051 and looks closely and tilts his head looking at her. 4936 03:30:04,291 --> 03:30:07,624 And she just starts praying that he's going to go away. 4937 03:30:07,861 --> 03:30:11,695 I named the little girl Nancy, actually after my wife Nancy 4938 03:30:11,932 --> 03:30:13,331 because she sort of represented to me 4939 03:30:13,767 --> 03:30:16,930 the sweet, innocent child 4940 03:30:17,171 --> 03:30:18,934 who believes that if you're good, 4941 03:30:19,173 --> 03:30:20,071 God's going to protect you. 4942 03:30:20,307 --> 03:30:23,174 And there's been the other rumor 4943 03:30:23,611 --> 03:30:25,340 which is it was named after Nancy 4944 03:30:25,779 --> 03:30:26,939 from "Nightmare on Elm Street" 4945 03:30:27,181 --> 03:30:30,742 who also had nightmares, but that's not true. 4946 03:30:30,985 --> 03:30:34,216 I mean--but again, if that works, we'll take it. 4947 03:30:34,655 --> 03:30:36,646 Jason can just about do anything as far as strength. 4948 03:30:36,890 --> 03:30:38,323 There's a scene where he takes one of the girls, 4949 03:30:38,759 --> 03:30:40,693 the camp girl's head, and twists it off. 4950 03:30:40,928 --> 03:30:42,759 You know, some of that stuff unfortunately 4951 03:30:42,997 --> 03:30:46,023 had to be cut way, way down from the way we had shot it. 4952 03:30:46,266 --> 03:30:49,895 But everything I tried to do in the movie 4953 03:30:50,137 --> 03:30:51,832 also was something that you couldn't do 4954 03:30:52,072 --> 03:30:54,097 as a normal human being. 4955 03:30:54,341 --> 03:30:55,968 Kerry's character was hopefully shocking 4956 03:30:56,210 --> 03:30:58,075 how badly she got it 4957 03:30:58,312 --> 03:31:00,143 and most of that was your imagination 4958 03:31:00,381 --> 03:31:01,871 because you didn't actually see it. 4959 03:31:02,116 --> 03:31:05,711 But you certainly saw the bloody aftermath. 4960 03:31:05,953 --> 03:31:08,786 I remember the little girl that runs out, 4961 03:31:09,023 --> 03:31:10,718 and she's in the woods, 4962 03:31:10,958 --> 03:31:13,756 and she's scared and, myself as the policeman, 4963 03:31:13,994 --> 03:31:16,292 goes to calm her down and tell her everything's okay. 4964 03:31:16,730 --> 03:31:21,360 What scary man?. 4965 03:31:21,802 --> 03:31:23,292 Of course, everything's not okay. 4966 03:31:23,737 --> 03:31:25,796 That's just before Jason crushes my head. 4967 03:31:26,040 --> 03:31:30,067 [screaming] 4968 03:31:30,310 --> 03:31:32,244 They did build a great head where the brains popped out. 4969 03:31:32,680 --> 03:31:34,944 I guess the fans were a little bit disappointed 4970 03:31:35,182 --> 03:31:43,248 that some of my death was cut by the MPAA. 4971 03:31:43,691 --> 03:31:44,385 And then I come into the scene, and I'm looking for Jason, 4972 03:31:44,825 --> 03:31:47,385 and I trip over something, and I fall down, 4973 03:31:47,828 --> 03:31:50,820 and my face goes right up against his face. 4974 03:31:51,065 --> 03:31:52,327 And that's where the sheriff takes a shot with the shotgun. 4975 03:31:52,766 --> 03:31:54,199 Blows me back. 4976 03:31:54,435 --> 03:31:56,733 Takes another shot, blows me back. 4977 03:31:56,970 --> 03:31:58,130 You can blast him a number of times and knock him down. 4978 03:31:58,372 --> 03:32:00,169 He's laying there, 4979 03:32:00,407 --> 03:32:01,874 and, as far as I was concerned, he's playing possum 4980 03:32:02,109 --> 03:32:04,805 you know, just to mess with you. 4981 03:32:05,045 --> 03:32:07,673 One of the things that turned out wildly effective 4982 03:32:07,915 --> 03:32:08,904 was the back cracking of the sheriff character. 4983 03:32:09,149 --> 03:32:11,379 They dug a hole and those weren't my legs. 4984 03:32:11,819 --> 03:32:14,219 They had a guy head down in the thing, 4985 03:32:14,455 --> 03:32:16,753 in the hole, with his legs behind me. 4986 03:32:16,990 --> 03:32:19,083 And when I bent him up, all he did was lift himself up 4987 03:32:19,326 --> 03:32:20,987 from a box in the ground. 4988 03:32:21,228 --> 03:32:24,061 And the idea is the actor gets cracked backed by Jason. 4989 03:32:24,298 --> 03:32:26,892 Just that whole idea of bending somebody all the way back, 4990 03:32:27,134 --> 03:32:29,068 and, you know, hearing all this [cracks knuckles] 4991 03:32:29,303 --> 03:32:30,270 A little sound design, a little screaming. 4992 03:32:30,504 --> 03:32:32,062 It all turned out great. 4993 03:32:32,306 --> 03:32:36,140 Interestingly, that scene probably had more issues 4994 03:32:36,376 --> 03:32:39,004 with the MPAA than anything else. 4995 03:32:39,246 --> 03:32:40,338 And it's a bloodless kill. 4996 03:32:40,781 --> 03:32:42,112 They felt that it was too intense 4997 03:32:42,349 --> 03:32:44,374 so they sort of quick cut. 4998 03:32:44,818 --> 03:32:45,409 And we to just keep taking frame after frame after frame 4999 03:32:45,853 --> 03:32:47,753 out of that thing. 5000 03:32:47,988 --> 03:32:50,149 So that had a huge, you know, reaction in the audience too 5001 03:32:50,390 --> 03:32:52,950 because, again, it wasn't something you had seen before. 5002 03:32:53,193 --> 03:32:55,354 With his undead Jason on the loose, 5003 03:32:55,796 --> 03:32:59,197 McLoughin injected his film with a new set of rules. 5004 03:32:59,433 --> 03:33:02,266 The thing I found the "Fridays" lacked 5005 03:33:02,503 --> 03:33:05,165 in my form of storytelling 5006 03:33:05,405 --> 03:33:07,305 was the sense of some kind of mythology, 5007 03:33:07,541 --> 03:33:09,509 some sense of rules. 5008 03:33:09,943 --> 03:33:11,433 And if you could somehow maybe follow those rules, 5009 03:33:11,879 --> 03:33:14,211 maybe you can, you know, save the day. 5010 03:33:14,448 --> 03:33:17,212 And it is just like in ghost legends, you know, 5011 03:33:17,451 --> 03:33:19,942 is that, Jason was never going to be at peace 5012 03:33:20,187 --> 03:33:22,485 until he was back where he drowned as a boy. 5013 03:33:22,923 --> 03:33:28,486 And my idea is to somehow manipulate him 5014 03:33:28,929 --> 03:33:31,227 so I can put this noose around his neck 5015 03:33:31,465 --> 03:33:33,956 and drown him with a big rock. 5016 03:33:34,201 --> 03:33:35,327 I think he called me a pussy if I remember correctly. 5017 03:33:35,569 --> 03:33:38,037 Jason, come on! 5018 03:33:38,272 --> 03:33:40,467 Come on, ya pussy! 5019 03:33:40,908 --> 03:33:42,432 And then I give my attention to Tommy in the water, 5020 03:33:42,876 --> 03:33:43,433 and I just go after him. 5021 03:33:43,877 --> 03:33:46,004 It's very visual and beautiful. 5022 03:33:46,246 --> 03:33:48,840 You've got this fire. It's really well shot. 5023 03:33:49,082 --> 03:33:51,050 Cinematically, it's one of the more interesting sequences 5024 03:33:51,285 --> 03:33:52,445 in any of the "Friday" films. 5025 03:33:52,886 --> 03:33:55,980 The scene where Megan kills Jason 5026 03:33:56,223 --> 03:33:58,316 with the outboard motor was shot in two different places. 5027 03:33:58,559 --> 03:34:01,027 All of the underwater scenes 5028 03:34:01,261 --> 03:34:02,990 were shot in a temperature-controlled tank 5029 03:34:03,230 --> 03:34:05,130 in Los Angeles 5030 03:34:05,365 --> 03:34:06,923 well after we'd filmed the rest of the movie. 5031 03:34:07,167 --> 03:34:08,065 And when I say they chained me down, 5032 03:34:08,302 --> 03:34:10,065 they did chain me down. 5033 03:34:10,304 --> 03:34:13,068 I was, I was at the mercy of the safety divers. 5034 03:34:13,307 --> 03:34:14,296 If I needed air, I would signal, give a hand signal. 5035 03:34:14,541 --> 03:34:17,169 The divers would swim in. 5036 03:34:17,411 --> 03:34:19,538 They'd lift my mask and put a regulator right in my mouth. 5037 03:34:19,980 --> 03:34:21,971 All of the above-the-water scenes 5038 03:34:22,216 --> 03:34:26,915 were shot in this murky, eerie lake 5039 03:34:27,154 --> 03:34:29,213 in the middle-of-nowhere Georgia, 5040 03:34:29,456 --> 03:34:30,582 in the middle of the night. 5041 03:34:31,024 --> 03:34:33,925 So, that was terrible. 5042 03:34:34,161 --> 03:34:36,425 I believe we shot in Tom McLoughlin's 5043 03:34:36,864 --> 03:34:38,832 father's swimming pool after the fact, 5044 03:34:39,066 --> 03:34:41,864 of the motor, the blade from the motor, 5045 03:34:42,102 --> 03:34:44,036 cutting Jason's mask, and the blood coming out. 5046 03:34:44,271 --> 03:34:48,332 Jason has, you know, obviously lived 5047 03:34:48,575 --> 03:34:50,839 far beyond anybody's expectations 5048 03:34:51,078 --> 03:34:51,908 because even when l was doing the film, 5049 03:34:52,145 --> 03:34:54,113 it was pretty much, 5050 03:34:54,348 --> 03:34:55,440 "Well, I think this is probably going to be the last one, 5051 03:34:55,883 --> 03:34:58,215 and so just have fun with him, 5052 03:34:58,452 --> 03:34:59,942 but don't kill him kill him" 5053 03:35:00,187 --> 03:35:00,983 which is why I had him, you know, 5054 03:35:01,221 --> 03:35:02,347 hanging there in the bottom. 5055 03:35:02,589 --> 03:35:03,283 I mean, you can see at the end of the movie, 5056 03:35:03,523 --> 03:35:04,615 the eye opens up, 5057 03:35:05,058 --> 03:35:07,253 and the man behind the mask is still alive, 5058 03:35:07,494 --> 03:35:09,052 and it just sets it up for the next phase. 5059 03:35:09,296 --> 03:35:11,127 As with all of the previous "Fridays," 5060 03:35:11,365 --> 03:35:13,094 a number of different endings were suggested, 5061 03:35:13,333 --> 03:35:16,268 though none were ever quite so daring 5062 03:35:16,503 --> 03:35:18,266 as Tom McLoughlin's scripted though never filmed 5063 03:35:18,505 --> 03:35:20,439 cliffhanger. 5064 03:35:20,674 --> 03:35:22,608 Tom McLoughlin had written a different ending 5065 03:35:23,043 --> 03:35:25,910 where you met Jason's father. 5066 03:35:26,146 --> 03:35:28,114 We'd seen Jason's mother. 5067 03:35:28,348 --> 03:35:29,975 We understand how messed up Pamela is. 5068 03:35:30,217 --> 03:35:32,117 Well, who marries that woman?. 5069 03:35:32,352 --> 03:35:34,377 And, really, what did he have to do with this ultimately?. 5070 03:35:34,621 --> 03:35:36,316 We don't know who he was, what he was, or anything. 5071 03:35:36,556 --> 03:35:38,490 So I thought it would be 5072 03:35:38,926 --> 03:35:41,486 really interesting at the end of mine to, you know, 5073 03:35:41,929 --> 03:35:43,487 have him show up. 5074 03:35:43,931 --> 03:35:46,957 In my original script, the caretaker had not died. 5075 03:35:47,200 --> 03:35:48,929 He was still around. 5076 03:35:49,169 --> 03:35:52,036 So he was, you know, it had a kind of an epilogue 5077 03:35:52,272 --> 03:35:56,140 with him in the cemetery and in walks this guy, 5078 03:35:56,376 --> 03:35:59,345 kind of an almost Rasputin, you know, 5079 03:35:59,579 --> 03:36:01,069 type character you didn't get to see too much of, 5080 03:36:01,315 --> 03:36:03,977 and you realize that he's the one 5081 03:36:04,217 --> 03:36:06,344 who's been paying the caretaker 5082 03:36:06,586 --> 03:36:09,054 to take care of Jason's grave all these years. 5083 03:36:09,289 --> 03:36:10,221 And you now kind of understand that whatever Jason came from, 5084 03:36:10,457 --> 03:36:14,484 you know, the truly wicked side of him, 5085 03:36:14,728 --> 03:36:16,923 was his father. 5086 03:36:17,164 --> 03:36:20,565 What I got worried about with Tom's idea about Jason's father 5087 03:36:21,001 --> 03:36:22,332 is that if you sort of dangle like something like that 5088 03:36:22,569 --> 03:36:24,503 at the end of the movie, 5089 03:36:24,738 --> 03:36:26,569 all of a sudden we're trying to tell the story 5090 03:36:27,007 --> 03:36:28,531 of a 60-year-old guy, 5091 03:36:28,976 --> 03:36:31,001 and how that would sort of circle back around 5092 03:36:31,244 --> 03:36:33,508 into a movie that we could actually sort of make work. 5093 03:36:33,747 --> 03:36:36,079 Frank Mancuso felt that, no, 5094 03:36:36,316 --> 03:36:38,079 we don't want to split, you know, 5095 03:36:38,318 --> 03:36:40,309 the attention of the franchise off on something like that 5096 03:36:40,554 --> 03:36:42,385 as cool as it, you know, the idea might be. 5097 03:36:42,622 --> 03:36:44,522 You know, stay with Jason 5098 03:36:44,758 --> 03:36:46,089 and probably he's ultimately right. 5099 03:36:46,326 --> 03:36:48,021 The Elias Voorhees character I think 5100 03:36:48,261 --> 03:36:49,250 really would have been very interesting to visit. 5101 03:36:49,496 --> 03:36:51,054 That I think was a bit of a missed opportunity. 5102 03:36:51,298 --> 03:36:53,095 Maybe the people who didn't like "Part 7" 5103 03:36:53,333 --> 03:36:56,530 would have thought that would have been a better movie. 5104 03:36:56,770 --> 03:36:58,101 I don't know. But I was happy that they actually released 5105 03:36:58,338 --> 03:37:01,068 a Signet Pocketbook version of the movie, 5106 03:37:01,308 --> 03:37:04,368 which has, you know, that aspect in it at the end of it. 5107 03:37:04,611 --> 03:37:06,704 In a further attempt to broaden the film's appeal, 5108 03:37:07,147 --> 03:37:09,581 Paramount recruited legendary shock rocker Alice Cooper 5109 03:37:10,017 --> 03:37:12,042 to contribute three songs to the film. 5110 03:37:12,285 --> 03:37:14,344 You don't have to be a genius to take a look at me 5111 03:37:14,588 --> 03:37:17,056 and realize I'm an old rocker that refuses to die 5112 03:37:17,290 --> 03:37:20,487 and so when, all the movies I always try to put 5113 03:37:20,727 --> 03:37:22,388 as much rock music in as I can. 5114 03:37:22,629 --> 03:37:25,120 The music score done by Alice Cooper 5115 03:37:25,365 --> 03:37:27,356 was done after the fact, but it was a very cool thing. 5116 03:37:27,601 --> 03:37:29,728 We didn't mind a little blood on stage, 5117 03:37:30,170 --> 03:37:32,161 and a little, you know, slash here and there. 5118 03:37:32,406 --> 03:37:36,342 And so when the slasher movies came along in the '80s, 5119 03:37:36,576 --> 03:37:39,602 all of a sudden we were right there. 5120 03:37:40,047 --> 03:37:42,277 So when it came to writing for Jason, you know, 5121 03:37:42,516 --> 03:37:44,108 Jason's like a member of the band. 5122 03:37:44,351 --> 03:37:46,046 They came to us and they said, 5123 03:37:46,286 --> 03:37:48,254 could you write 2 or 3 songs for the movie, 5124 03:37:48,488 --> 03:37:50,285 a couple of incidentals and a theme. 5125 03:37:50,524 --> 03:37:51,786 And I went, "Yeah, absolutely." 5126 03:37:52,225 --> 03:37:54,455 Alice was incredible 5127 03:37:54,694 --> 03:37:56,685 to just kind of let us use whatever songs we wanted. 5128 03:37:57,130 --> 03:37:59,155 And the song that he came up with was just huge. 5129 03:37:59,399 --> 03:38:02,300 Yeah cuz he's back 5130 03:38:02,536 --> 03:38:05,699 He's the man behind the mask 5131 03:38:06,139 --> 03:38:08,539 And he's out of control 5132 03:38:08,775 --> 03:38:10,675 "The Man Behind the Mask" was written 3 or 4 different ways. 5133 03:38:11,111 --> 03:38:14,080 We wrote a heavy metal version of it. 5134 03:38:14,314 --> 03:38:17,579 And then we wrote sort of a hard rock version. 5135 03:38:17,818 --> 03:38:20,116 and then we realized at that time 5136 03:38:20,353 --> 03:38:21,342 that they were looking for something 5137 03:38:21,588 --> 03:38:23,579 a little more... 5138 03:38:23,824 --> 03:38:26,520 a little more bounce to it. 5139 03:38:26,760 --> 03:38:28,387 And so we got together with Kelly 5140 03:38:28,628 --> 03:38:34,089 who wrote, I think "Material Girl" for Madonna, 5141 03:38:34,334 --> 03:38:37,167 and he was the one that came in with that [hums bass] 5142 03:38:37,404 --> 03:38:39,736 Early test screenings of "Jason Lives" 5143 03:38:40,173 --> 03:38:42,539 did not fully satisfy Paramount executives. 5144 03:38:42,776 --> 03:38:44,835 so they decided to enhance the film's thrill quotient 5145 03:38:45,278 --> 03:38:47,303 by increasing its body count. 5146 03:38:47,547 --> 03:38:50,448 And I do remember being in meetings 5147 03:38:50,684 --> 03:38:53,244 talking about who can we kill, how will they get killed. 5148 03:38:53,487 --> 03:38:55,182 And that's where I came in. 5149 03:38:55,422 --> 03:38:58,289 Oh Steven, it's beautiful. 5150 03:38:58,525 --> 03:39:00,789 I am friends with Tom McLoughlin, the director. 5151 03:39:01,228 --> 03:39:04,391 So I knew him beforehand. 5152 03:39:04,631 --> 03:39:05,563 He had directed my husband Vinnie Guasterferro, 5153 03:39:05,799 --> 03:39:08,131 who is the deputy, 5154 03:39:08,368 --> 03:39:11,860 and so he hired me to shoot the scene we did. 5155 03:39:12,305 --> 03:39:14,205 We shot that at Griffith Park here in LA. 5156 03:39:14,441 --> 03:39:16,841 And he shish-ke-bobs them 5157 03:39:17,277 --> 03:39:17,800 where it puts it right through the front 5158 03:39:18,245 --> 03:39:19,610 and right through the back. 5159 03:39:19,846 --> 03:39:22,212 I know we weren't the first shish-ke-bob 5160 03:39:22,449 --> 03:39:24,349 to occur in "Friday the 1 3th" 5161 03:39:24,584 --> 03:39:28,486 but I think we were the first on a motor scooter. 5162 03:39:28,722 --> 03:39:30,314 That is probably our claim to fame. 5163 03:39:30,557 --> 03:39:31,615 Optimistic about the film's chances 5164 03:39:31,858 --> 03:39:33,826 of playing to a summer audience, 5165 03:39:34,261 --> 03:39:36,729 Paramount Pictures bumped up its release date 5166 03:39:37,164 --> 03:39:38,825 to August 1, 1 986. 5167 03:39:39,266 --> 03:39:41,791 Despite being the only "Friday the 1 3th" 5168 03:39:42,235 --> 03:39:44,601 to receive the occasional positive notice, 5169 03:39:44,838 --> 03:39:48,501 the film failed to capture the #1 spot at the box office, 5170 03:39:48,742 --> 03:39:50,539 falling behind another high-profile horror sequel, 5171 03:39:50,777 --> 03:39:52,768 James Cameron's "Aliens." 5172 03:39:53,213 --> 03:39:57,240 With a final tally of $19.5 million 5173 03:39:57,484 --> 03:39:59,816 "Jason Lives" became the lowest-grossing 5174 03:40:00,253 --> 03:40:02,244 "Friday the 1 3th" to date. 5175 03:40:02,489 --> 03:40:04,821 And I really think the reason 6 didn't do well 5176 03:40:05,258 --> 03:40:08,716 is not because 6 is not as good, if not better, 5177 03:40:08,962 --> 03:40:10,589 but the fans didn't really come back 5178 03:40:10,830 --> 03:40:13,264 because they felt so ripped off by 5. 5179 03:40:13,500 --> 03:40:17,630 And then when they began to see 6 on video, 5180 03:40:17,871 --> 03:40:21,204 that got them back into the series 5181 03:40:21,441 --> 03:40:23,636 because they saw that Tom McLoughlin, more than anybody, 5182 03:40:23,877 --> 03:40:25,811 brought the series back to life. 5183 03:40:26,246 --> 03:40:28,578 I was really happy with the movie, the way it came out. 5184 03:40:28,815 --> 03:40:30,544 I'm still happy with it. I think it holds up really well. 5185 03:40:30,784 --> 03:40:32,547 And I sure had fun filming it. 5186 03:40:32,786 --> 03:40:34,583 I never got to go to summer camp 5187 03:40:34,821 --> 03:40:37,381 so it was the closest I ever got. 5188 03:40:37,624 --> 03:40:39,785 And I thought Tom did a really good job on that movie. 5189 03:40:40,227 --> 03:40:41,387 I thought that he brought a lightness to it, 5190 03:40:41,628 --> 03:40:42,492 a fun-ness to it. 5191 03:40:42,729 --> 03:40:44,321 He had a great sensibility. 5192 03:40:44,564 --> 03:40:47,226 He had a real appreciation of the movies. 5193 03:40:47,467 --> 03:40:49,526 And as a result, we had a lot of very good reviews on the film 5194 03:40:49,769 --> 03:40:50,929 because they said, 5195 03:40:51,371 --> 03:40:52,463 "Well, you can't really hate a movie 5196 03:40:52,706 --> 03:40:52,899 that is making fun of itself." 5197 03:40:53,340 --> 03:40:55,467 Yet, you know, for most of the fans, 5198 03:40:55,709 --> 03:41:03,750 it still delivered, you know, what a "Friday" should deliver. 5199 03:41:03,750 --> 03:41:15,526 it still delivered, you know, what a "Friday" should deliver. 5200 03:41:15,762 --> 03:41:18,253 By the late 1 980s, Paramount was looking for new ways 5201 03:41:18,498 --> 03:41:20,295 to exploit their most lucrative franchises. 5202 03:41:20,533 --> 03:41:22,558 To the dismay of its critics, 5203 03:41:22,802 --> 03:41:25,293 "Friday the 1 3th" would soon be coming 5204 03:41:25,538 --> 03:41:27,438 to television. 5205 03:41:27,674 --> 03:41:29,767 Mel Harris, who was at the time head of Paramount Television, 5206 03:41:30,010 --> 03:41:32,877 came to me and he said, 5207 03:41:33,313 --> 03:41:35,406 you know, "We're having a very successful syndication run 5208 03:41:35,649 --> 03:41:36,843 with "Star Trek." 5209 03:41:37,284 --> 03:41:39,616 We want to try to identify some other titles 5210 03:41:39,853 --> 03:41:42,583 that we control that we think will bring an audience. 5211 03:41:42,822 --> 03:41:44,949 Just by virtue of the title." 5212 03:41:45,392 --> 03:41:49,294 It was essential that we found a way to tell stories 5213 03:41:49,529 --> 03:41:52,896 that would have a kind of "Friday the 1 3th" theme 5214 03:41:53,333 --> 03:41:53,822 without being directly associated 5215 03:41:54,067 --> 03:41:56,399 with "Friday the 1 3th." 5216 03:41:56,636 --> 03:41:57,864 And he said, "Look, this has nothing to do with the movies. 5217 03:41:58,305 --> 03:41:59,363 It could be anything that you want. 5218 03:41:59,606 --> 03:42:00,732 It just has to be "Friday the 1 3th," 5219 03:42:00,974 --> 03:42:02,373 and you have to be involved." 5220 03:42:02,609 --> 03:42:04,304 I remember when I was a kid going-- 5221 03:42:04,544 --> 03:42:05,772 doing like the 11 :00 monster movies, and it's like, 5222 03:42:06,012 --> 03:42:07,741 you know, kind of freaks you out 5223 03:42:07,981 --> 03:42:09,039 and then you gotta go to sleep. 5224 03:42:09,482 --> 03:42:11,541 What I need is a Vampira cocktail 5225 03:42:11,785 --> 03:42:13,878 to settle my nerves. 5226 03:42:14,321 --> 03:42:15,379 It will not only settle them, 5227 03:42:15,622 --> 03:42:18,785 it will petrify them. 5228 03:42:19,025 --> 03:42:22,051 And that's kind of the dynamic that I was looking for. 5229 03:42:22,495 --> 03:42:24,486 With only a title to work with, 5230 03:42:24,731 --> 03:42:26,699 Mancuso and co-creator Larry B. Williams 5231 03:42:26,933 --> 03:42:28,867 began brainstorming a premise 5232 03:42:29,102 --> 03:42:31,366 that could sustain itself in the world 5233 03:42:31,604 --> 03:42:32,730 of late-night syndicated television. 5234 03:42:32,972 --> 03:42:35,566 Like the films themselves, 5235 03:42:35,809 --> 03:42:38,369 "Friday the 1 3th: The Series" had to be made cheap. 5236 03:42:38,611 --> 03:42:41,341 And it had to be scary. 5237 03:42:41,581 --> 03:42:44,948 And I was kind of intent on doing an anthology 5238 03:42:45,385 --> 03:42:46,943 with continuing characters, 5239 03:42:47,387 --> 03:42:49,685 so we started talking about the notion of a curio shop 5240 03:42:49,923 --> 03:42:51,686 and what that would be like. 5241 03:42:51,925 --> 03:42:53,324 And then the idea of it being cursed 5242 03:42:53,560 --> 03:42:54,891 and then we started saying, "Well, you know, 5243 03:42:55,128 --> 03:42:56,425 if we had all these cursed objects, 5244 03:42:56,663 --> 03:42:59,598 then we can go ahead and have a great time with that." 5245 03:42:59,833 --> 03:43:03,098 So that really became the sort of the core of the show. 5246 03:43:03,536 --> 03:43:07,097 Frank's plan with "The Series" 5247 03:43:07,540 --> 03:43:09,667 is that all these antiques were cursed, 5248 03:43:09,909 --> 03:43:11,706 but they all could actually service you 5249 03:43:11,945 --> 03:43:13,469 in something really good, 5250 03:43:13,713 --> 03:43:15,681 but there's always a price to pay. 5251 03:43:15,915 --> 03:43:18,941 The allure of the object that is cursed 5252 03:43:19,386 --> 03:43:21,547 and the things that happen to people 5253 03:43:21,788 --> 03:43:22,777 with that object in their possession 5254 03:43:23,022 --> 03:43:24,649 is really a terrific idea. 5255 03:43:24,891 --> 03:43:27,382 And it was a terrific launching pad 5256 03:43:27,627 --> 03:43:29,891 for really some--some really fascinating storytelling. 5257 03:43:30,130 --> 03:43:32,758 Lewis Vendredi made a deal with the devil 5258 03:43:32,999 --> 03:43:35,968 to sell cursed antiques. 5259 03:43:36,403 --> 03:43:40,464 But he broke the pact, and it cost him his soul... 5260 03:43:40,707 --> 03:43:43,107 Distributed by Paramount Domestic Syndication, 5261 03:43:43,543 --> 03:43:47,980 "Friday the 1 3th: The Series" debuted on September 28, 1987. 5262 03:43:48,415 --> 03:43:52,511 It told the story of cousins Ryan Dallion and Micki Foster 5263 03:43:52,752 --> 03:43:54,777 who inherit an antique store from a distant uncle 5264 03:43:55,021 --> 03:43:57,012 who sold his soul to the devil. 5265 03:43:57,457 --> 03:44:00,119 Aided by antiquities expert Jack Marshak, 5266 03:44:00,560 --> 03:44:03,085 their quest was to retrieve the cursed objects 5267 03:44:03,530 --> 03:44:09,435 before obsession and death came to those who acquired them. 5268 03:44:09,669 --> 03:44:11,728 I'd been out in Los Angeles for three years 5269 03:44:11,971 --> 03:44:14,963 and got an audition for this television series. 5270 03:44:15,208 --> 03:44:16,869 It all just happened very fast. 5271 03:44:17,110 --> 03:44:19,169 Went in for a wardrobe fitting and was on a plane to Toronto. 5272 03:44:19,612 --> 03:44:22,445 Robey, John LeMay and Chris Wiggins were a dream cast. 5273 03:44:22,682 --> 03:44:27,016 Chris is a senior emeritus honored Canadian actor, 5274 03:44:27,454 --> 03:44:30,014 and it surprised us when we asked him to join the cast 5275 03:44:30,457 --> 03:44:31,651 and he said yes. 5276 03:44:31,891 --> 03:44:33,756 So they wanted to shoot like 5277 03:44:33,993 --> 03:44:34,982 this little pilot kind of thing, which I directed, 5278 03:44:35,228 --> 03:44:36,627 and, you know, it was very contained, 5279 03:44:36,863 --> 03:44:38,990 very small, and, you know, we probably did it for $85. 5280 03:44:39,232 --> 03:44:41,166 I have no time for you! 5281 03:44:41,601 --> 03:44:43,796 But it communicated what we were meant to communicate 5282 03:44:44,037 --> 03:44:45,004 which is that, you know, 5283 03:44:45,238 --> 03:44:45,567 it's going to be scary, it's going to be spooky, 5284 03:44:45,805 --> 03:44:46,965 it's going to be tense. 5285 03:44:47,207 --> 03:44:48,606 With not a single episode 5286 03:44:48,842 --> 03:44:50,503 featuring an appearance by Jason, 5287 03:44:50,743 --> 03:44:53,041 or even his cursed hockey mask, 5288 03:44:53,480 --> 03:44:56,745 many "Friday the 1 3th" fans felt alienated. 5289 03:44:56,983 --> 03:44:59,975 And even cheated by its television counterpart. 5290 03:45:00,220 --> 03:45:02,586 The only thing that the television series 5291 03:45:02,822 --> 03:45:07,555 "Friday the 1 3th" and the movies "Friday the 1 3th" had in common 5292 03:45:07,794 --> 03:45:10,763 was the title and Frank Mancuso, Jr. 5293 03:45:10,997 --> 03:45:13,090 While "Friday the 1 3th" as a title was a come-on, 5294 03:45:13,533 --> 03:45:14,625 we really felt that there was something there. 5295 03:45:14,868 --> 03:45:16,802 There is no concept 5296 03:45:17,036 --> 03:45:18,128 that could have sustained itself on television 5297 03:45:18,571 --> 03:45:21,631 with a slasher killer on the loose 5298 03:45:21,875 --> 03:45:26,710 anywhere for the 76 episodes that were subsequently made. 5299 03:45:26,946 --> 03:45:28,174 I really wish they would have called it "Friday's Curse." 5300 03:45:28,615 --> 03:45:31,209 Which was the original intention. 5301 03:45:31,651 --> 03:45:33,710 In Europe it was called "Friday's Curse," 5302 03:45:33,953 --> 03:45:36,513 and in Canada it was called "Friday's Curse" as well. 5303 03:45:36,756 --> 03:45:39,486 It was set up in Canada and I was producing the show. 5304 03:45:39,726 --> 03:45:42,854 And it was a fascinating experience. 5305 03:45:43,096 --> 03:45:44,996 And we got like Atom Egoyan to do one. 5306 03:45:45,231 --> 03:45:47,096 David Cronenberg did one. 5307 03:45:47,534 --> 03:45:49,126 David Cronenberg brought that terrific kind of 5308 03:45:49,569 --> 03:45:52,060 Iaser-like focus on a theme 5309 03:45:52,305 --> 03:45:54,671 which so totally fit into the storytelling notions 5310 03:45:54,908 --> 03:45:55,840 of "Friday the 1 3th." 5311 03:45:56,075 --> 03:45:58,009 And it was wonderful. 5312 03:45:58,244 --> 03:45:59,575 It was also great to work with David 5313 03:45:59,812 --> 03:46:01,643 who's a fabulous director. 5314 03:46:01,881 --> 03:46:04,543 Frank asked me about being story editor 5315 03:46:04,784 --> 03:46:06,752 because they had a story editor up in Toronto 5316 03:46:06,986 --> 03:46:10,149 where they were doing the show, and, you know, 5317 03:46:10,590 --> 03:46:12,023 wanted me to write and direct, you know, 5318 03:46:12,258 --> 03:46:13,885 some episodes as well. 5319 03:46:14,127 --> 03:46:16,618 "Master of Disguise," I thought was a great idea 5320 03:46:16,863 --> 03:46:19,730 basically having, you know, a makeup case that, you know, 5321 03:46:19,966 --> 03:46:21,058 could take somebody who was really deformed 5322 03:46:21,301 --> 03:46:23,565 and, you know, you'd kill 5323 03:46:23,803 --> 03:46:26,863 and then you would sop up the blood of the victim 5324 03:46:27,106 --> 03:46:29,006 and then he was as handsome as like a James Bond. 5325 03:46:29,242 --> 03:46:31,870 And because it was syndication, 5326 03:46:32,111 --> 03:46:36,639 we literally never got a note from anybody about anything. 5327 03:46:36,883 --> 03:46:37,645 I mean, I don't know that anybody 5328 03:46:37,884 --> 03:46:39,647 even looked at the shows. 5329 03:46:39,886 --> 03:46:41,080 I mean, it was like literally they just went out. 5330 03:46:41,321 --> 03:46:42,083 So if I wanted to do it in black and white, 5331 03:46:42,322 --> 03:46:44,017 it was black and white. 5332 03:46:44,257 --> 03:46:46,191 If I wanted to do a two-parter, you did a two-parter. 5333 03:46:46,626 --> 03:46:47,923 I mean, it was like literally whatever we decided to do. 5334 03:46:48,161 --> 03:46:50,857 "Friday the 1 3th," the new television series 5335 03:46:51,097 --> 03:46:54,555 that has put real fright into late night. 5336 03:46:54,801 --> 03:46:58,066 "Friday The 1 3th: The Series" was a bona fide ratings hit. 5337 03:46:58,304 --> 03:47:00,738 Often ranking just behind Paramount's 5338 03:47:00,974 --> 03:47:03,101 top-rated "Star Trek: The Next Generation." 5339 03:47:03,343 --> 03:47:04,935 After two successful seasons, 5340 03:47:05,178 --> 03:47:07,305 actor John LeMay decided to leave the show 5341 03:47:07,747 --> 03:47:09,977 to pursue other opportunities. 5342 03:47:10,216 --> 03:47:11,979 The thing that was the most interesting of a challenge 5343 03:47:12,218 --> 03:47:14,209 was the third season, 5344 03:47:14,654 --> 03:47:16,815 Frank asked me if I would write and direct 5345 03:47:17,056 --> 03:47:18,956 for the season premiere. 5346 03:47:19,192 --> 03:47:21,285 And he said, "You know, we need to kill the Ryan character 5347 03:47:21,728 --> 03:47:22,990 because he wants to get off the show, 5348 03:47:23,229 --> 03:47:26,062 and but don't kill him in a way 5349 03:47:26,299 --> 03:47:28,199 that we can't bring him back if he changes his mind. 5350 03:47:28,635 --> 03:47:30,000 And I got turned back into a child 5351 03:47:30,236 --> 03:47:32,932 at the end of my two-year stint on the show. 5352 03:47:33,172 --> 03:47:36,164 It was a grand and glorious two hour episode. 5353 03:47:36,409 --> 03:47:39,674 It was a way of basically taking him off the show 5354 03:47:39,912 --> 03:47:42,176 and, if you wanted to bring him back, you could. 5355 03:47:42,415 --> 03:47:43,643 When LeMay was replaced in the third season opener 5356 03:47:43,883 --> 03:47:45,009 by actor Steven Monarque 5357 03:47:45,251 --> 03:47:47,310 as streetwise Johnny Ventura 5358 03:47:47,754 --> 03:47:49,119 "The Series" lost not only its leading man, 5359 03:47:49,355 --> 03:47:51,220 but its luster. 5360 03:47:51,658 --> 03:47:53,683 Once Ryan got turned into a little boy, 5361 03:47:53,926 --> 03:47:56,360 Johnny Ventura had to take over that spot. 5362 03:47:56,796 --> 03:47:57,956 Johnny... 5363 03:47:58,197 --> 03:48:00,392 Johnny was the cousin of Ryan. 5364 03:48:00,833 --> 03:48:03,199 He was a little bit more of a blue-collar kid. 5365 03:48:03,436 --> 03:48:06,701 I don't think he was afraid of fighting 5366 03:48:06,939 --> 03:48:08,873 and physically getting involved with saving the day. 5367 03:48:09,108 --> 03:48:11,269 [monster growling sounds] 5368 03:48:11,711 --> 03:48:13,269 "Friday the 1 3th" and "Nightmare on Elm Street" 5369 03:48:13,713 --> 03:48:15,874 were head-to-head in terms of their television experience. 5370 03:48:16,115 --> 03:48:18,743 "Freddy's Nightmares" was always a somewhat more lighthearted, 5371 03:48:18,985 --> 03:48:20,748 tongue-in-cheek kind of a television series. 5372 03:48:20,987 --> 03:48:22,921 I think the makers of "Friday the 1 3th" 5373 03:48:23,156 --> 03:48:24,214 always wanted it to be dark, 5374 03:48:24,457 --> 03:48:25,947 always wanted it serious quality. 5375 03:48:26,192 --> 03:48:27,250 Because the show got good reviews, 5376 03:48:27,694 --> 03:48:29,059 and the show was successful, 5377 03:48:29,295 --> 03:48:30,887 the people at Paramount said, 5378 03:48:31,130 --> 03:48:34,861 "lf we can get X dollars at 1 1 :00, 5379 03:48:35,101 --> 03:48:36,864 if we move it to 1 0:00 we can even get more." 5380 03:48:37,103 --> 03:48:39,901 So they moved it to 1 0:00 in year two. 5381 03:48:40,139 --> 03:48:41,800 And all of a sudden it's like even more successful. 5382 03:48:42,041 --> 03:48:43,668 They said, "You know what?. 5383 03:48:43,910 --> 03:48:45,002 Let's start putting it on at 7:00, 8:00, you know, 5384 03:48:45,244 --> 03:48:46,233 whatever it is. 5385 03:48:46,479 --> 03:48:47,343 They start moving it. 5386 03:48:47,780 --> 03:48:49,805 So now, all of a sudden, 5387 03:48:50,049 --> 03:48:51,107 different kinds of people are watching. 5388 03:48:51,350 --> 03:48:52,374 No longer is it the last thing that you see 5389 03:48:52,819 --> 03:48:54,309 before you go to bed at night. 5390 03:48:54,754 --> 03:48:56,244 Now it's like, it's on at 7:00. 5391 03:48:56,489 --> 03:48:58,150 They stopped the clock, Lewis! 5392 03:48:58,391 --> 03:49:00,222 [screams] 5393 03:49:00,460 --> 03:49:03,020 Here you are, sitting at home, eating dinner 5394 03:49:03,262 --> 03:49:04,752 and all of a sudden this, you know, 5395 03:49:04,997 --> 03:49:06,328 splat thriller comes on the tube. 5396 03:49:06,766 --> 03:49:08,700 I think, you know, as a parent 5397 03:49:08,935 --> 03:49:10,869 it would catch me by surprise, too. 5398 03:49:11,104 --> 03:49:13,038 And with Paramount boldly pushing the show 5399 03:49:13,272 --> 03:49:16,241 into primetime slots, "Friday the 13th: The Series" 5400 03:49:16,476 --> 03:49:18,444 soon came under fire from right-wing religious groups 5401 03:49:18,878 --> 03:49:20,812 who were less than enthused about a show 5402 03:49:21,047 --> 03:49:23,106 involving black magic and pacts with the devil. 5403 03:49:23,349 --> 03:49:25,476 I think when I came in at the time, 5404 03:49:25,918 --> 03:49:28,216 people were already not liking he show. 5405 03:49:28,454 --> 03:49:30,081 There was already this force trying to get it off the air. 5406 03:49:30,323 --> 03:49:33,815 So this guy, Donald Wildmon, 5407 03:49:34,060 --> 03:49:36,028 who had like this kind of Christian Coalition group 5408 03:49:36,262 --> 03:49:39,356 started squawking about "Friday the 1 3th" 5409 03:49:39,799 --> 03:49:40,390 because it started to get recognized. 5410 03:49:40,833 --> 03:49:42,164 He's talking about Jason. 5411 03:49:42,401 --> 03:49:44,460 He's talking about, you know, all this stuff. 5412 03:49:44,904 --> 03:49:45,393 I'm saying, this guy's never even seen one of the shows. 5413 03:49:45,838 --> 03:49:47,271 What's at stake here?. 5414 03:49:47,507 --> 03:49:49,975 Western civilization as we've known it 5415 03:49:50,209 --> 03:49:52,268 for two thousand years. 5416 03:49:52,512 --> 03:49:54,742 We kind of all laughed him off in the beginning. 5417 03:49:54,981 --> 03:49:56,346 But, you know, you get somebody like that who calls and says, 5418 03:49:56,783 --> 03:49:59,513 "Yeah, I got 555,000 constituents, 5419 03:49:59,952 --> 03:50:01,749 and they're not going to buy Proctor & Gamble products 5420 03:50:01,988 --> 03:50:04,354 if you continue to put your ads on this show." 5421 03:50:04,791 --> 03:50:06,122 All of a sudden it's not so funny anymore. 5422 03:50:06,359 --> 03:50:08,827 I was sad that it ended that quickly. 5423 03:50:09,061 --> 03:50:11,757 You know I really wanted to do at least another year or two 5424 03:50:11,998 --> 03:50:14,296 because I was just finally getting my feet wet. 5425 03:50:14,534 --> 03:50:17,469 It's amazing how our culture has changed in 20 years 5426 03:50:17,904 --> 03:50:19,804 and how permissive and pervasive violence, in particular, 5427 03:50:20,039 --> 03:50:22,007 is on TV, 5428 03:50:22,241 --> 03:50:23,970 and how much it's just taken for granted, 5429 03:50:24,210 --> 03:50:26,075 that it's just going to be there. 5430 03:50:26,312 --> 03:50:28,473 So, yeah, it was sad because we did, what, 73 hours 5431 03:50:28,915 --> 03:50:31,145 and, you know, there were some clunkers, 5432 03:50:31,384 --> 03:50:32,373 but there were a lot of really good shows in there. 5433 03:50:32,819 --> 03:50:35,253 And, in point of fact, 5434 03:50:35,488 --> 03:50:36,819 when I talk to people about the television series, 5435 03:50:37,056 --> 03:50:38,785 you know, people do remember it fondly. 5436 03:50:39,025 --> 03:50:40,492 But I think a lot of people 5437 03:50:40,927 --> 03:50:42,485 who were really big fans of the series 5438 03:50:42,929 --> 03:50:45,227 didn't like the fact that they stole the name 5439 03:50:45,464 --> 03:50:49,059 and tried to sneak a fast one past everybody 5440 03:50:49,302 --> 03:50:52,396 and get them to watch this hour serial on TV. 5441 03:50:52,839 --> 03:50:55,239 But it was fun. I liked it.436490

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