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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,266 --> 00:00:15,265 Several years ago I was invited to give a lecture at Covenant College, down in Lookout 2 00:00:15,266 --> 00:00:22,765 Mountain, Tennessee, and I remember, the address that I gave at that time was called "The Locus," 3 00:00:22,766 --> 00:00:31,265 not locust like the insect, but The Locus of Astonishment 4 00:00:31,266 --> 00:00:39,765 That is, the place where we focus on what is really amazing to us 5 00:00:39,766 --> 00:00:49,265 I pointed out in that address on that occasion that we sing Amazing Grace and give lip service 6 00:00:49,266 --> 00:00:57,532 to the sense in which we are amazed by grace but I wonder how amazed we really are, where 7 00:00:57,533 --> 00:01:02,265 we have become so accustomed to the mercy of God the patience of God and the grace 8 00:01:02,266 --> 00:01:08,999 of God that we begin to take it for granted, and to assume it and then pretty soon, to 9 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,532 demand it. and so that when He is gracious to us, we’re hardly surprised 10 00:01:14,533 --> 00:01:24,765 I find that what is most astonishing, characteristically to Christians of our day, is when they are 11 00:01:24,766 --> 00:01:31,532 visited by tragedy or affliction or suffering 12 00:01:31,533 --> 00:01:39,265 And many times the presence of suffering n our life undoes us and brings us to a state 13 00:01:39,266 --> 00:01:41,499 of a spiritual crisis 14 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:48,265 I think part of the reason for that is that we hear in the culture, this ministers who 15 00:01:48,266 --> 00:01:54,265 tell us that once you come to Christ, all your problems are over and that God doesn't 16 00:01:54,266 --> 00:02:01,265 ever will sickness or pain or affliction and so that when these things happen to us, we 17 00:02:01,266 --> 00:02:04,032 have a crisis of faith 18 00:02:04,033 --> 00:02:11,765 On that occasion in Tennessee, I used a portion of Scripture from the thirteenth chapter of 19 00:02:11,766 --> 00:02:18,032 Luke's gospel, as a taking off point for the discussion 20 00:02:18,033 --> 00:02:25,499 There in Luke 13:1 we read this narrative "There were present, at that season, some 21 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:34,532 who told Him about the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices 22 00:02:34,533 --> 00:02:40,265 And Jesus answered and said to them, 'Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners 23 00:02:40,266 --> 00:02:45,999 than all other Galileans because they suffered such things? 24 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,765 I tell you, no 25 00:02:49,766 --> 00:02:56,032 But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish 26 00:02:56,033 --> 00:03:00,265 Were those eighteen in whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they 27 00:03:00,266 --> 00:03:03,499 were worse sinners than all the other men who dwelled in Jerusalem? 28 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:11,265 I tell you no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish 29 00:03:11,266 --> 00:03:16,765 What's going on here is that the people come to Jesus and they're asking this question. 30 00:03:16,766 --> 00:03:23,265 basically, how could God allow these things to happen? 31 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:29,765 If God is good how could He stand by and let the tower fall upon the heads of innocent 32 00:03:29,766 --> 00:03:33,999 people just minding their business, walking down the street? 33 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,532 Or allow them to be become victims of this savage attack of Pilate's forces'? 34 00:03:40,533 --> 00:03:47,265 He mixed the blood of the people with the sacrifices 35 00:03:47,266 --> 00:03:51,265 We're surprised when these things happen 36 00:03:51,266 --> 00:03:55,499 And what we may be even more surprised at is Jesus' response 37 00:03:55,500 --> 00:04:02,032 He said, if you think that these things happen to these people because they were worse sinners 38 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:06,499 than anybody else, I tell you no 39 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:12,499 But unless you repent you will likewise perish 40 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:14,265 Now what's our Lord doing here? 41 00:04:14,266 --> 00:04:19,032 I think what he's saying to his inquirers is this 42 00:04:19,033 --> 00:04:23,499 You're asking me the wrong question 43 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:29,999 The question you should be asking is why didn’t that temple fall on my head? 44 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:38,032 Wh wasn't my blood mixed with the blood of the sacrifices with the Galileans'? 45 00:04:38,033 --> 00:04:49,265 Now somehow we assume that God owes it toj us to ive us a life free of suffering 46 00:04:49,266 --> 00:04:55,499 Now we have to be careful when we look at this whole question of suffering, because 47 00:04:55,500 --> 00:05:00,499 we have this passage here in Luke, we know in John chapter nme; the disciples come with 48 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:03,265 a question to Jesus about a man who had been born blind 49 00:05:03,266 --> 00:05:06,032 And they say, whose sin was it? 50 00:05:06,033 --> 00:05:12,265 The man or his parents', that this fellow was born with this affliction? 51 00:05:12,266 --> 00:05:15,265 And what does Jesus say? 52 00:05:15,266 --> 00:05:16,265 Neither 53 00:05:16,266 --> 00:05:18,499 You've come to me with a false dilemma 54 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:23,032 It wasn't, as a punishment to the man and it wasn't as a punishment to the father or 55 00:05:23,033 --> 00:05:29,999 the mother, it was that the Son of Man may be glorified in this occasion 56 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:38,032 We go to the whole book of Job which spends an entire book of the Bible wrestling with 57 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:41,265 the question of the problem of suffering 58 00:05:41,266 --> 00:05:46,265 And we are introduced to the drama of a man who is the most righteous man in the world. 59 00:05:46,266 --> 00:05:52,499 who then is reduced to the worst level of pain and misery and suffering of anyone in 60 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:58,265 the world, so much so that his friends begin to think he must have been the chief of sinners 61 00:05:58,266 --> 00:06:02,499 to have deserved this fate of so much pain 62 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:08,999 And Job crawled up on a dung heap and cursed the day of his birth 63 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:15,765 And yet he said, "Though He slay me. yet will I trust Him " 64 00:06:15,766 --> 00:06:22,765 But Job asked with anguish the question, why, God? 65 00:06:22,766 --> 00:06:30,765 And I think that's a natural thing, a normal thing for the Christian, when we are visited 66 00:06:30,766 --> 00:06:37,999 with pain and affliction and the tragic for us to cry out in pain, saying. "Why'?" 67 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,765 Well we have to be careful when we ask that question to ask the question why. when we're 68 00:06:43,766 --> 00:06:50,032 earnestly seeking an answer is a legitimate thing, but the question why can be a thinly veiled 69 00:06:50,033 --> 00:06:53,499 accusation we can be saying, "Why?" 70 00:06:53,500 --> 00:07:01,765 When we say it like that, the only answer we can legitimately expect from God is, "Why not?" 71 00:07:01,766 --> 00:07:03,265 72 00:07:03,266 --> 00:07:06,532 We need to keep that in front of us at all times 73 00:07:06,533 --> 00:07:11,499 But the reality of suffering is something we all have to deal with 74 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:17,765 And we deal with it in a pagan world and part of the problem that we experience in 75 00:07:17,766 --> 00:07:26,532 dealing with this particular difficult problem is that so often, we hear views of pain and 76 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:33,265 suffering that are pagan views of pain and suffering 77 00:07:33,266 --> 00:07:39,532 And we need to understand the difference between a Christian understanding of suffenng and 78 00:07:39,533 --> 00:07:41,265 pagan views of suffering 79 00:07:41,266 --> 00:07:47,999 In the short time that we have today, I'm going to mention four different varieties 80 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,765 of views of suffering that have been popular at one time or another in the pagan world 81 00:07:54,766 --> 00:08:05,765 And the first one is what I'm going to call the docetic view 82 00:08:05,766 --> 00:08:17,499 I call it the docetic view because it is the view that views suffering and pain as an illusion 83 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:22,999 This is the view of suffering that is basically one of denial 84 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:31,499 It says that suffering is just a matter of the mind, it’s not real and we need to understand 85 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:33,765 that it's simply an illusion 86 00:08:33,766 --> 00:08:37,998 We get to that, for example, in the religion of Christian Science 87 00:08:37,999 --> 00:08:46,265 I once had a lengthy discussion with an adherent of Christian Science who told me that evil 88 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:51,498 was not real, that it was just an illusion, and also pain and suffering and all the things 89 00:08:51,499 --> 00:08:53,498 that are connected with it 90 00:08:53,499 --> 00:08:56,765 And I said, "Well I'm standing here, disagreeing you " 91 00:08:56,766 --> 00:09:01,265 In fact, we were debating the issue in front of a group of people, and I said. ’’And I'm 92 00:09:01,266 --> 00:09:07,998 telling these people that evil is real and that there really is such a thing as pain 93 00:09:07,999 --> 00:09:08,998 and suffering 94 00:09:08,999 --> 00:09:09,998 Do you agree with that? 95 00:09:09,999 --> 00:09:11,265 no he said, "No. of course not 96 00:09:11,266 --> 00:09:14,032 He says "That’s why I'm taking the opposition 97 00:09:14,033 --> 00:09:21,498 I said, "Do you think it’s good that I’m telling these people that evil is real?" 98 00:09:21,499 --> 00:09:28,498 He hesitated because he knew he was now impaled on the horns of a dilemma, because if he says 99 00:09:28,499 --> 00:09:34,998 yes, it's good that I'm saying what I'm saying, then he's surrendered the argument and if 100 00:09:34,999 --> 00:09:39,265 he says, no it’s bad that I’m doing what I'm doing, then he’s also surrendered the 101 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:45,498 argument unless he can conclude that I'm a fig newton of his imagination and just an 102 00:09:45,499 --> 00:09:49,265 illusion as we're debating the point 103 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:56,265 But really, as a philosophical discussion, it has little value to somebody on a hospital 104 00:09:56,266 --> 00:10:02,498 bed to say that suffering is not real 105 00:10:02,499 --> 00:10:04,765 Because we all know it is real 106 00:10:04,766 --> 00:10:08,765 There is such a thing as pain there is such a thing as sorrow 107 00:10:08,766 --> 00:10:16,498 And it is no solution to the problem to deny the reality of rt 108 00:10:16,766 --> 00:10:22,765 A second way in which pagans have dealt with the problem of suffering and evil is found 109 00:10:22,766 --> 00:10:29,265 in what I call the historic or classic Stoic view 110 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:35,998 And you hear the axioms of Stoicism creeping into our popular culture when you hear such 111 00:10:35,999 --> 00:10:43,032 statements as, "Keep a stiff upper lip,” or "Don't let anything get you down " 112 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:53,765 The Stoics believed that we live in a world that is controlled by material forces 113 00:10:53,766 --> 00:11:01,032 And these material forces operate according to fixed deterministic laws, and we have 114 00:11:01,033 --> 00:11:07,498 absolutely no control over what happens to us in this environment 115 00:11:07,499 --> 00:11:11,032 What happens to us is our fate; or our karma 116 00:11:11,033 --> 00:11:19,265 It is just the result of these impersonal forces out there and we have no freedom to 117 00:11:19,266 --> 00:11:22,498 determine our own destiny 118 00:11:22,499 --> 00:11:30,032 The only place where we do have the ability to exercise our freedom and to impact the 119 00:11:30,033 --> 00:11:37,765 state of our existence is by directing our attitudes or our emotions with respect to 120 00:11:37,766 --> 00:11:39,998 things that befall us 121 00:11:39,999 --> 00:11:44,765 That is, I can't stop being hit by a truck this afternoon rf that’s the way it’s going 122 00:11:44,766 --> 00:11:53,032 to be, but I do have some power to decide how I'm going to react to it internally 123 00:11:53,033 --> 00:12:03,765 And so, what the Stoics sought to achieve was what they called philosophical ataraxia 124 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:05,265 or peace of mind 125 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:11,498 You've maybe never heard the term 'ataraxia' except as a brand name for a tranquilizer 126 00:12:11,499 --> 00:12:14,498 in the pharmaceutical world 127 00:12:14,499 --> 00:12:22,265 But that Greek word is the word that means peace of mind, whereby nothing disturbs our 128 00:12:22,266 --> 00:12:23,265 equanimity 129 00:12:23,266 --> 00:12:31,998 Now, the Stoics also sought to reach that state by practicing diligently the art of 130 00:12:31,999 --> 00:12:36,532 what they called imperturbability 131 00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:43,265 That is, you practice controlling your emotions to such a degree that nothing will perturb 132 00:12:43,266 --> 00:12:44,498 you 133 00:12:44,499 --> 00:12:46,498 Nothing will upset you 134 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:55,032 And so, you martial these internal resources to get a thick skin or hide over your feelings 135 00:12:55,033 --> 00:13:02,498 so that if you do enter into an arena of pain or of affliction, you won't let it get you 136 00:13:02,499 --> 00:13:14,265 down you keep the stiff upper lip and bear it in quietness and so on 137 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:21,498 The third way in which pagans have sought to deal with suffering historically is through 138 00:13:21,499 --> 00:13:36,498 a method expounded by the Stoics' chief rivals in their day the Hedonists, and the Hedonistic 139 00:13:36,499 --> 00:13:40,032 view is defined in this way 140 00:13:40,033 --> 00:13:48,498 Hedonism historically is that philosophy of life that describes or defines the good 141 00:13:48,499 --> 00:13:56,498 in terms of the elimination of pain and the acquisition of pleasure 142 00:13:56,499 --> 00:14:03,765 Now, in the ancient world, there were two different types of hedonists in their philosophical 143 00:14:03,766 --> 00:14:10,498 orientation, one that I will call the crass hedonists, and the other group I'll call the 144 00:14:10,499 --> 00:14:13,265 more refined hedonists 145 00:14:13,266 --> 00:14:20,765 The crass hedonists were called the Cyrenaics, and the Cyrenaics were crude in their pursuit 146 00:14:20,766 --> 00:14:21,998 of pleasure 147 00:14:21,999 --> 00:14:27,265 They're the ones that are depicted in the movies of the Roman bacchanalia and the orgies 148 00:14:27,266 --> 00:14:32,265 and all of that stuff, where they would go to these banquets and they would gorge themselves 149 00:14:32,266 --> 00:14:36,532 with food until they were completely satiated and then they'd go out, stick their fingers 150 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:40,998 down their throats, regurgitate so they could come back in. and fill their stomachs with 151 00:14:40,999 --> 00:14:42,498 more food 152 00:14:42,499 --> 00:14:52,265 They lived lives of unbridled licentiousness as much sex and drink and food and physical 153 00:14:52,266 --> 00:14:56,498 sensuous pleasure that they could possibly enjoy 154 00:14:56,499 --> 00:14:59,765 And that was their way to happiness 155 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:08,032 But again, this crass school of hedonists was short lived because it didn't take them 156 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:17,265 long to figure out that if you have an unbridled appetite for pleasure, that has no moderation 157 00:15:17,266 --> 00:15:26,765 or no balance to it, that pain of the consequences of such unbndled self-indulgence will be 158 00:15:26,766 --> 00:15:30,265 felt very shortly and acutely 159 00:15:30,266 --> 00:15:37,032 There are only so many hangovers that you can have until you begin to realize that there's 160 00:15:37,033 --> 00:15:42,032 not as much pleasure in this activity as you maybe thought there was 161 00:15:42,033 --> 00:15:49,998 And so, a new version of hedonism was developed in a more refined, sophisticated way, by those 162 00:15:49,999 --> 00:15:54,265 that were called the Epicureans 163 00:15:54,266 --> 00:16:01,998 And there, they didn't seek maximum pleasure: but rather optimum pleasure 164 00:16:01,999 --> 00:16:09,765 The most amount of pleasure you can have without at the same time, increasing the threshold 165 00:16:09,766 --> 00:16:11,265 of pain 166 00:16:11,266 --> 00:16:17,765 And that's why they became gourmands in their eating habits and all the rest, and learned 167 00:16:17,766 --> 00:16:18,799 the best wines 168 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,998 And for them, it was just a little bit of adultery, just enough to keep life and not 169 00:16:23,999 --> 00:16:28,532 enough to drive you to destruction 170 00:16:28,533 --> 00:16:38,265 Now; of course that viewpoint either in its crude form or its refined form; still addresses 171 00:16:38,266 --> 00:16:40,498 people today 172 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:47,998 We still have Epicureans and we have a culture that has been drenched and saturated in the 173 00:16:47,999 --> 00:16:50,998 philosophy of hedonism 174 00:16:50,999 --> 00:17:11,265 alcoholism and of unbridled sexual behavior and intoxication and addiction to hard drugs 175 00:17:11,266 --> 00:17:17,265 And most of the psychologists and sociologists look at this phenomenon of our day which 176 00:17:17,266 --> 00:17:22,765 v/e have given ourselves over to the hedonistic pursuit of pleasure 177 00:17:22,766 --> 00:17:24,499 Why? 178 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:33,799 In many cases, because of a response to an extremely negative view of life 179 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:40,999 It's not an accident that suicide is highest ranking cause of death among certain age groups 180 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:49,532 in this nation, because people are taught now and bombarding by all kinds of sources 181 00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:55,265 telling them that they have emerged from the slime, they're cosmic accidents, their life 182 00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:56,765 is meaningless 183 00:17:56,766 --> 00:18:04,265 Their suffering is therefore meaningless, and so they try to dull the pain and the ache 184 00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:13,265 of the anxiety of being hurled into a meaningless existence by seeking relief in the stupor 185 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:15,999 of pleasure 186 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,765 Nothing new about that 187 00:18:17,766 --> 00:18:19,999 Just the dimensions are different 188 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:27,499 We remember Paul, when he addressed the Corinthians and gave his magnificent defense of the Resurrection, 189 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:34,499 when he was going through that discussion, at one point, he said, "If Christ is not raised, 190 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:35,999 let us do what? 191 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:44,532 Let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow, we die " 192 00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:48,765 See. that's the creed of the hedonists 193 00:18:48,766 --> 00:18:57,032 Sooner or later, tragedy death, pain, suffering and affliction are going to get me 194 00:18:57,033 --> 00:19:04,765 So, I only go through life once, I'm going to grab all of the gusto I can get right now 195 00:19:04,766 --> 00:19:09,765 and I'm gonna fill up on pleasure because tomorrow. I die 196 00:19:09,766 --> 00:19:13,032 In the meantime, it’s party time 197 00:19:13,033 --> 00:19:25,999 And so. this approach to hedonism, in many ways is motivated by a fear of and a desire 198 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:33,765 to escape from the pangs of suffering 199 00:19:33,766 --> 00:19:42,999 We talk of those who drown their sorrows in a bottle and perhaps the most popular psychoanalysts 200 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:49,765 of our culture are the bartenders that are found on every street in every metropolitan 201 00:19:49,766 --> 00:19:56,265 area, because there are a lot of people who are unhappy, who are suffering, and who are 202 00:19:56,266 --> 00:20:05,032 in pain and who are desperately trying to find solace and relief from their pain any 203 00:20:05,033 --> 00:20:07,032 way that they can 204 00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:17,999 Well, these are just some of the ways in which people cope with the reality of pain and suffering 205 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:28,499 And obviously, the Biblical view of sufferin is on a collision course with these views 206 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:38,265 Because the one overarching principle of the Biblical view of suffering is this that suffenng, 207 00:20:38,266 --> 00:20:45,999 for the Christian, is never an exercise in futility 208 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,765 It is never an exercise in futility 209 00:20:51,766 --> 00:21:01,999 But that suffering is used by God for redemptive purposes among his people 210 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,999 And we are told where to put the locus of astonishment 211 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,532 We're told by Peter we're told by James that we ought not to think that it is something 212 00:21:12,533 --> 00:21:18,499 strange when we are called upon to suffer 213 00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:22,999 Because the Christian faith is born in suffering 214 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:32,265 The way of salvation is the Via Dolorosa, the way of sadness, the way of the Cross 215 00:21:32,266 --> 00:21:38,499 And Christ Himself promises his people in the world, you will have tribulation 216 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:40,499 You will have afflictions 217 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:47,765 Paul says that He fills up in his own body the afflictions that have not yet been completed 218 00:21:47,766 --> 00:21:51,265 in the body of Christ, His church 219 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:57,265 That we all are called to participate in the sorrows of Christ, who was called a man of 220 00:21:57,266 --> 00:22:01,532 sorrows and acquainted with grief 221 00:22:01,533 --> 00:22:03,532 And there's a difference between that and Stoicism 222 00:22:03,533 --> 00:22:08,265 I don’t know how many times, when I’ll go into the homes of Chnstian folks where somebody 223 00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:13,499 has just died and people feel like they're not allowed to weep, they're not allowed to 224 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:18,532 express any kind of sorrow or mourning or grief 225 00:22:18,533 --> 00:22:22,032 That they're supposed to be Stoics 226 00:22:22,033 --> 00:22:24,999 And we won't allow them to grieve 227 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:31,499 We'll say to them that that’s an act of unbelief for something like that, as if when Jesus 228 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:39,265 went to the place of Lazarus, after he had died, knowing what He was going to do, still 229 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:45,999 He entered into the grief of the moment and our Lord Himself wept 230 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,532 He was a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief 231 00:22:50,533 --> 00:22:57,265 And the Scriptures make it plain that grief is a legitimate human emotion and there is 232 00:22:57,266 --> 00:23:04,265 nothing sinful about mourning the loss of a loved one 233 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:11,032 That emotion of grief, the emotion of sorrow, in and of itself is perfectly legitimate 234 00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:21,765 It can easily become a spirit of self pity or of bitterness, but those are distortions 235 00:23:21,766 --> 00:23:24,765 of legitimate emotions 236 00:23:24,766 --> 00:23:31,499 And a legitimate emotion of sadness and sorrow are not only permitted by Scripture, but in 237 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:32,999 many cases, commended 238 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,532 We are told in the Old Testament, that it is better to go to the House of Mourning than 239 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:44,265 it is to spend your time with fools 240 00:23:44,266 --> 00:23:53,765 Herman Melville once made the statement that until we understand that one grief outweighs 241 00:23:53,766 --> 00:24:03,265 a thousand joys, we will never understand what Christianity is trying to make us 242 00:24:03,266 --> 00:24:08,265 When Paul speaks of the great benefit of our justification whereby we’re adopted into 243 00:24:08,266 --> 00:24:14,032 fellowship in the family of God he says being justified, therefore you have what? 244 00:24:14,033 --> 00:24:15,265 Peace with God 245 00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:17,032 Access into his presence 246 00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:22,765 And then he goes on to say, "And in the midst, because of your relationship to God, you are 247 00:24:22,766 --> 00:24:30,032 able to endure tribulation knowing that tribulation works patience and patience’s character and 248 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:34,265 these things will not leave us ashamed " 249 00:24:34,266 --> 00:24:43,499 So that God uses tribulation, He uses our pain, not simply to punish us, but to polish 250 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,265 us 251 00:24:45,266 --> 00:24:46,765 To sanctify us 252 00:24:46,766 --> 00:24:55,499 In many cases, we go into the refiner's fire, so that God will remove the draws from our 253 00:24:55,500 --> 00:25:04,532 life, draw us close to Himself and in the process of pain and suffering, we are made 254 00:25:04,533 --> 00:25:07,265 more like Christ 255 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:14,765 And then Paul reminds us that the sufferings of this present time are but for a moment 256 00:25:14,766 --> 00:25:19,765 They are not the final answer 257 00:25:19,766 --> 00:25:24,265 And that the sufferings that we are called to endure in this world aren't worthy to be 258 00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:31,265 compared with the glorious things that God has stored up in heaven for those that love 259 00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:32,265  260 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:39,765 So, in one sense our suffering becomes a bridge to glory 261 00:25:39,766 --> 00:25:45,499 Now that doesn't mean that we are supposed to go out and look for suffering and to say 262 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,999 Thank you, Lord, every time the sky falls on our heads 263 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,765 And there are people that try to do that and that can be a form of denial 264 00:25:54,766 --> 00:26:05,265 It can be more docetic than it is Christian, or it can be more, as I say, treating the 265 00:26:05,266 --> 00:26:12,032 pain as if it were illusory, when in fact it's very, very real 266 00:26:12,033 --> 00:26:15,032 We don't rejoice that we have a headache 267 00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:21,765 We don't rejoice that we have cancer eating away at us what we do rejoice in is the presence 268 00:26:21,766 --> 00:26:24,265 of God in the midst of our pain 269 00:26:24,266 --> 00:26:31,265 But again we have to understand, lest we fall into being absolutely undone and astonished 270 00:26:31,266 --> 00:26:36,765 whenever affliction hits us that we are to expect it! 271 00:26:36,766 --> 00:26:40,765 It’s part of our call as Christians 272 00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:46,265 That God has called us into a fallen world to minister into a world that is a veil of 273 00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:54,499 tears and it's a place of pain and there's no way that we can ever expect to escape it 274 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,265 Now suppose I'm afflicted with suffering 275 00:26:57,266 --> 00:26:58,499 Why? 276 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,032 Why am I afflicted? 277 00:27:00,033 --> 00:27:03,265 There could be several reasons 278 00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:10,265 It may be that God needs to correct me and that it is part of his corrective wrath to 279 00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:13,265 make me sick or to bring me low 280 00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:14,265 He does that 281 00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:17,265 I here are manifold examples of that in scripture 282 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:20,265 How did Miriam get leprosy? 283 00:27:20,266 --> 00:27:25,265 God gave her leprosy to bring her to repentance 284 00:27:25,266 --> 00:27:29,265 What is Jesus saying here, "Unless you repent, you all likewise perish " 285 00:27:29,266 --> 00:27:37,765 Sometimes the suffering that we have in this world is because God is correcting us or disciplining 286 00:27:37,766 --> 00:27:40,499 us 287 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:46,765 But we can't jump to the conclusion that every time we get sick or every time we suffer that 288 00:27:46,766 --> 00:27:52,765 there's a direct correlation between our disobedience and the pain that we’re experiencing 289 00:27:52,766 --> 00:27:57,265 Again Job is Exhibit A to refute that argument 290 00:27:57,266 --> 00:28:02,265 Job was more righteous than anybody else and yet he suffered more than anybody else and 291 00:28:02,266 --> 00:28:07,499 it would have been a terrible mistake to assume that there was a direct, proportionate relationship 292 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:12,532 between the degree of his guilt and the degree of his pain 293 00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:13,999 Mustn't do that 294 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,265 So we don't always know, and we don’t have to know 295 00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:24,765 What we have to know is Him 296 00:28:24,766 --> 00:28:31,032 Because when Job demanded an answer for his pain and asked God to speak to him and explain 297 00:28:31,033 --> 00:28:38,265 it to him and God finally appeared to Job and interrogated Job for several chapters, 298 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:41,532 what answer did Job get from God? 299 00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:43,765 He didn't get one 300 00:28:43,766 --> 00:28:50,499 God didn't say to Job, "You're suffering this pain for this, this, this, and this " 301 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:58,032 The only answer Job got to his affliction in the final analysis, was God Himself 302 00:28:58,033 --> 00:28:59,765 The presence of God 303 00:28:59,766 --> 00:29:04,265 And in fact, what God was saying was, "Job, here I am 304 00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:08,499 I am with you. trust me 305 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:14,032 Now, when people say "Trust me," it's time to run 306 00:29:14,033 --> 00:29:18,765 But when God says trust me, it’s time to trust 307 00:29:18,766 --> 00:29:26,765 Let me finish by reminding you that our God never promised any of us that we would never 308 00:29:26,766 --> 00:29:32,532 go into the valley of the shadow of death 309 00:29:32,533 --> 00:29:37,299 What He did promise us was that He would go with us 310 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:45,499 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil, 311 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,265 for thou art with me 312 00:29:48,266 --> 00:29:53,765 Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me 313 00:29:53,766 --> 00:29:55,765 We have the good shepherd 314 00:29:55,766 --> 00:29:57,265 We have his presence 315 00:29:57,266 --> 00:29:59,765 We have his consolation 316 00:29:59,766 --> 00:30:07,265 That doesn't mean that we’re removed from the arena of pain, but that we are upheld 317 00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:08,265 in the arena of pain 33225

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