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In the true crime community,
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Michelle's death was
unbelievable.
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One of the first things
I thought was,
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"That book has to get finished."
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I wanted to take care
of this person,
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for her whole life.
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This book,
was my last opportunity
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to take care of something
for her.
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And then, there was the case.
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There was momentum
within agencies recognizing,
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"We need to get this done."
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I reached out to this
genetic genealogist.
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We got over a thousand matches.
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Things snowballed from there.
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I remember thinking,
this guy looks awfully good.
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After four decades
of searching for this guy,
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we got a one hundred percent
match,
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to the Golden State Killer's
DNA.
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I wish you were pointing
that camera
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at Michelle right now.
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I was 18.
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The good girl,
the rule follower.
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Straight-A student.
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I started dating this guy.
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He was studying law enforcement
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and I was in nursing.
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He was very gregarious, uh,
outgoing to all my friends.
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We'd been together
close to a year.
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He gave me a high solitaire
engagement ring.
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And he told me that
we're gonna be married.
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The rules were never for him.
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He took me hunting...
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...without a license.
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Illegal spear fishing.
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We crossed into "no trespassing"
territory at night.
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So many of the things
that we did together,
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he pushed me toward fear.
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One time, I'm on the back
of his motorcycle
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doing this steep hill climb,
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I'm just thinking this is...
This is suicide.
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He let a German shepherd
chase us on the bike...
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...and he kicked the dog
underneath the chin
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and he broke its neck.
It just dropped dead.
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The critical point for us
was in college.
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He told me that I was going
to help him
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to cheat on the exam.
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I told him, "I won't let you
cheat from my paper."
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And that began the escalation
of, "But you have to.
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We're engaged. You have to,
you have to.
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You owe me this."
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As he continued
to put on pressure,
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I gave him back
the engagement ring.
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Two weeks later,
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probably two or three o'clock
in the morning,
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there was a tapping
on the glass of my window.
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I pulled the curtain back,
and he was pointing a gun at me
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and said, "Get dressed,
we're going to Reno tonight.
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We're gonna be married."
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At that time,
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I still lived
in my parents' home,
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and I ran to go wake up
my father to ask him to help me.
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He put me in the bathroom
and said,
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"Don't you come out
until I come and get you."
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And it was about
two hours of time.
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My father came back
and just told me to go to bed.
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No indication of what was said
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or what had happened
in the porch,
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and... and I never knew.
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I never got the story
from my father.
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And I never saw Joe again.
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Where do we go? I'll follow you.
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One minute.
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Um, can we get this to stream,
or...
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- We'll find it somewhere.
- Here we go.
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Turn the volume up all the way.
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- Yeah, I will.
- Yeah, yeah.
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Good morning, everybody.
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For those of you
that don't know,
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my name is Anne Marie Schubert,
I'm the District Attorney
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of Sacramento County.
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Over these years,
hundreds of individuals
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have sought justice
for these victims
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and their families.
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Many have dedicated
their virtual entire professions
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to seeking this answer.
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Joseph James DeAngelo
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has been called a lot of things
by law enforcement.
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He's been called
the East Side Rapist,
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he's been called
the Visalia Ransacker,
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the Original Night Stalker,
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and the Golden State Killer.
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Today, it's our pleasure
to call him defendant.
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His 12-year reign of terror
lasted from 1974
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through May 4th of 1986.
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He started with ransacking,
sexual assaults, rape.
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Wow.
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He moved down the state
from Sacramento County
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and ending in Orange County.
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They just confirmed
that he's the Ransacker.
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- Wow.
- 1980 to 1986.
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Oh my God.
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There's
something about these detectives,
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like, I end up, like,
falling a little in love
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with each of them.
Just there... there's something
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about the drive that they have
and what they're doing,
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that I just... I don't know,
I get, like, almost, like, teary
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when I go to all these
different jurisdictions
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and they're just digging
through old paperwork
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and they're not giving up.
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I have such respect for it.
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It was disbelief.
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And then, um, a flood
of emotions came through
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that over 40 years,
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I didn't realize
were still there.
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Uh, it's absolutely huge.
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After nearly a quarter
of a century
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trying to find this guy,
to actually see him,
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after all these years
of wondering who he was,
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it's an amazing moment.
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"We found
the needle in the haystack."
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Those are the words
of authorities in California
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following the arrest
of a former police officer.
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Joseph DeAngelo, now 72,
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arrested outside his home.
They surprised him.
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No incident.
He didn't say, "It wasn't me,"
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or anything like that?
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No, uh, really no...
Really no conversation at all.
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Uh, just the, uh, the only thing
he really said was,
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uh, they had arrested him.
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So, I can tell you that
over the last few days,
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as information started to point
towards this individual,
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we started some surveillance.
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We were able to get
some discarded DNA,
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and we were able to confirm
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what we thought we already knew.
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- What does he mean, "discarded DNA"?
- We had our man.
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- They went through his trash.
- Oh.
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I can't underscore enough
the absolute human factor.
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This was a true convergence
of emerging technology
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and dogged determination
by detectives.
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Yes.
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So I want to thank
not only the crime lab,
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the DNA that helped us get here,
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but my own detectives...
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The amazing thing
about this DNA technology
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is it's like every three months,
it gets better.
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Within a year I can...
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We probably will have
the family tree.
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What I love is this intersection
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of sort of technology
and crime solving,
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in that people can get sort of
wheeled out of their house
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for something they did in 1957
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because of the internet,
because of DNA.
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She's an incredible writer,
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and a lot of people
I saw on social media today
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were, you know, tweeting out
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this... this last bit
that she wrote
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- which seems really fitting.
- Oh, yeah, yeah.
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"One day soon, you'll hear a car
pull up to your curb,
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an engine cut out.
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You'll
hear footsteps coming up your front walk.
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The doorbell rings."
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No side gates are left open.
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You're long past
leaping over a fence.
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Take one of your hyper
gulping breaths,
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clench your teeth,
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inch timidly toward
the insistent bell.
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Open the door.
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Show us your face.
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Walk into the light.
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Michelle McNamara.
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Good morning to you.
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We are outside the Sacramento
County Courthouse,
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where later today, 72-year-old
Joseph DeAngelo
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will make
his first court appearance.
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Investigators now telling us
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they used discarded DNA
to help track him down...
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Wow, is that huge.
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I was living in Citrus Heights
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and he was living
in Citrus Heights for 30 years.
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Same city.
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And the fact that
he was a police officer
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just makes me sick.
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And we're off.
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Gonna have positive vibes.
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It's interesting
because I am getting nervous.
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I mean, I'm not afraid
of him now,
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he's just... he's an old man,
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but, um...
you know, evil's evil.
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On the first
day of the arraignment,
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I was just like,
"Can this be happening?
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This cannot be happening."
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The victims were all kind of
gathered in the DA's office,
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and Dr. Offerman's son
and his wife were there.
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For the longest time,
when I found out
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that the murders
were associated with the rapes,
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I really wanted
to meet these women.
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They were, like, the only people
maybe on the planet
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who got my story,
who understood.
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And I thought, "They know."
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They know, but they know
what happened to Charlene.
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But they lived through it,
and they got to live through it,
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and they're strong.
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Forty-two years.
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Forty-two years
I've waited for this.
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But, hey, he's behind bars
and justice is being served.
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"Now we, dot, dot, dot,
have the power
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and the control."
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Rape is all about power
and control,
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but, you know,
now we're in charge, buddy.
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We're in charge.
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Joseph DeAngelo
of Citrus Heights
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is now facing 13 counts
of murder
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and 13 counts of kidnapping.
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Deb Domingo
asked if I could sit in for her,
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to be there in spirit
for her mother
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and her mother's boyfriend
that were so brutally murdered.
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All right, Your Honor,
on the 130 calendar, page two,
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in custody, DeAngelo.
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Is, uh, Joseph James
DeAngelo your true correct legal name?
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- I'm sorry?
- Yes.
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Yes. You are.
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This old man?
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This pathetic old man
is the monster?
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...circumstance.
Count one alleges
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on or about February 2, 1978,
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in the county of Sacramento,
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you did willfully, unlawfully,
and with malice aforethought
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murder Katie Maggiore,
a human being,
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in violation of Penal Code
section 187, subdivision A.
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It is a felony.
It's further alleged...
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I was not happy
when I heard he was caught
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because I wanted him dead.
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But I was happy that he was
being brought to justice.
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Like,
all the conflicting feelings,
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I was angry, scared, happy, mad.
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I really experienced
every emotion.
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I feel that I did a great job
for 42 years of...
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living and trying
to be as normal as possible.
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You know, it was now real.
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And unfortunately...
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our brains hold onto
a lot of memories
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that now were starting to flood.
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...sixty-one, Mr. DeAngelo.
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All right.
Why don't we take a recess...
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To get through
that initial time,
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I can't stress how...
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how unsettling it is to live
every minute being afraid
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when you never thought
that would happen to you
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or could happen.
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I scribbled
over his face 'cause I hated it.
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Maybe we shouldn't use that one.
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Here's a good one.
"How DNA was collected."
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Feelings are very complicated
in these situations.
255
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I cannot remember after the rape
256
00:15:30,273 --> 00:15:34,607
the first time that I might have
broken down in tears.
257
00:15:34,691 --> 00:15:40,357
I don't know that I ever did
in front of any of the officers.
258
00:15:49,607 --> 00:15:53,565
The one time
I do remember crying
259
00:15:53,649 --> 00:15:55,440
was two and a half months later
260
00:15:55,524 --> 00:16:00,357
on August 16, 1977,
when... when Elvis Presley died.
261
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Bye.
262
00:16:06,357 --> 00:16:08,816
I cried for Elvis
and I cried for myself
263
00:16:08,899 --> 00:16:12,148
and my family and all
we'd been through that year.
264
00:16:12,232 --> 00:16:16,649
And strangely,
after DeAngelo's arrest,
265
00:16:16,732 --> 00:16:18,941
I found myself crying a lot.
266
00:16:19,023 --> 00:16:24,023
And this is the thing
about these emotions, you...
267
00:16:25,065 --> 00:16:29,357
you... you couldn't even, uh...
268
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,691
intelligently explain
why you're crying.
269
00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:36,816
It's... it's just perhaps maybe
all the emotional stress
270
00:16:36,899 --> 00:16:42,565
of so much over so long a time.
271
00:16:58,524 --> 00:17:02,982
And then, when they
started showing his house
272
00:17:03,065 --> 00:17:06,273
out in Citrus Heights,
his nice...
273
00:17:06,357 --> 00:17:10,774
comfy suburban three-car garage
house with the toys,
274
00:17:12,107 --> 00:17:14,774
I thought, "You're kidding me."
275
00:17:14,857 --> 00:17:17,857
Citrus Heights? Under our nose?
276
00:17:17,941 --> 00:17:21,107
And he's living
the comfy suburban life
277
00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:26,357
that he wrecked
for so many other people?
278
00:17:42,732 --> 00:17:44,917
Crazy thought,
but what if we actually do
279
00:17:44,941 --> 00:17:48,440
catch this guy
and you get the satisfaction
280
00:17:48,524 --> 00:17:51,065
of knowing all the work
that we did
281
00:17:51,148 --> 00:17:52,982
helps land this dude?
282
00:17:53,065 --> 00:17:56,649
What's gonna happen to the kid
and all these people
283
00:17:56,732 --> 00:18:00,232
that have spent 4,000 hours
looking at this stuff?
284
00:18:00,315 --> 00:18:04,232
Uh, what will happen
if this case gets solved?
285
00:18:04,315 --> 00:18:07,399
Um, because this does seem
to fulfill something
286
00:18:07,482 --> 00:18:08,649
for a lot of people.
287
00:18:10,982 --> 00:18:13,148
This house
right here. There it is.
288
00:18:15,065 --> 00:18:17,023
- Seriously?
- That's it.
289
00:18:17,482 --> 00:18:19,148
That is it.
290
00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:46,190
Since DeAngelo's arrest,
291
00:18:46,273 --> 00:18:48,440
I spent that time
trying to reconcile
292
00:18:48,524 --> 00:18:53,065
Joseph James DeAngelo
with the abstract image
293
00:18:53,148 --> 00:18:56,565
of the East Area Rapist
that I had developed.
294
00:18:56,649 --> 00:19:00,565
It's like this person's
a stranger all over again.
295
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,667
Much in the way that, you know,
296
00:19:03,691 --> 00:19:07,273
I'd struggled to reconcile
Michelle's substance abuse
297
00:19:07,357 --> 00:19:09,037
and the things
that I didn't know about her
298
00:19:09,107 --> 00:19:10,440
with the person that I knew.
299
00:19:12,273 --> 00:19:14,899
I've struggled to fuse
those two people.
300
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,732
You know, all of my work
301
00:19:30,816 --> 00:19:34,524
is interest in, uh,
the human psyche.
302
00:19:36,399 --> 00:19:39,524
What makes people suffer,
303
00:19:39,607 --> 00:19:43,565
what makes, uh, people turn out
the way they are.
304
00:19:45,774 --> 00:19:49,065
I'm really interested
in what made Joe DeAngelo
305
00:19:49,148 --> 00:19:52,107
become the East Area Rapist.
306
00:19:54,774 --> 00:19:58,816
What in his life
created that monster?
307
00:20:06,941 --> 00:20:09,482
Was he born like that?
308
00:20:09,565 --> 00:20:10,941
I don't think so.
309
00:20:12,774 --> 00:20:14,190
He may have had
something missing
310
00:20:14,273 --> 00:20:15,541
and it culminated
in other things
311
00:20:15,565 --> 00:20:18,857
that happened to him
in his childhood.
312
00:20:18,941 --> 00:20:22,399
I don't know,
but I really want to know.
313
00:20:29,023 --> 00:20:30,232
All right.
314
00:20:35,649 --> 00:20:37,857
The first thing I wanted to do
315
00:20:37,941 --> 00:20:41,774
was do a search for his name
in Michelle's hard drive.
316
00:20:43,273 --> 00:20:45,649
She knew more about this case
than anyone...
317
00:20:47,899 --> 00:20:49,357
but I didn't find it.
318
00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:52,399
And I was like,
"Let's build a timeline."
319
00:20:52,482 --> 00:20:54,607
We need to build a timeline
of where he's been.
320
00:20:57,065 --> 00:20:59,899
Joe is one of four, born in 1945
321
00:20:59,982 --> 00:21:01,565
in upstate New York.
322
00:21:01,649 --> 00:21:03,732
As a boy,
he moves with his family
323
00:21:03,816 --> 00:21:06,691
to an army base in Germany
where his father's stationed.
324
00:21:06,774 --> 00:21:09,524
My gut has always been
like it's a troubled child
325
00:21:09,607 --> 00:21:11,607
of someone who had a big
family connection
326
00:21:11,691 --> 00:21:13,315
to the military. Yeah.
327
00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,315
Then he moves to Rancho Cordova
328
00:21:16,399 --> 00:21:19,065
in Sacramento County
for high school.
329
00:21:19,148 --> 00:21:22,691
They struggle financially
and move frequently.
330
00:21:22,774 --> 00:21:27,482
In 1964, his parents divorce
and Joe joins the Navy,
331
00:21:27,565 --> 00:21:31,315
serving as a warship repairman
in Vietnam.
332
00:21:31,399 --> 00:21:33,625
Another part of me
thinks, "Well, was it Vietnam?"
333
00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:35,107
I mean, look at the timing
of it.
334
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:37,273
So, you know, I'm not sure
it wasn't that
335
00:21:37,357 --> 00:21:38,691
or something like that.
336
00:21:38,774 --> 00:21:40,232
Right. Wow.
337
00:21:40,315 --> 00:21:42,440
When he returns in 1968,
338
00:21:42,524 --> 00:21:45,023
Joe goes to school
for criminal justice.
339
00:21:45,107 --> 00:21:47,440
That's when he's engaged
to Bonnie Colwell,
340
00:21:47,524 --> 00:21:49,857
which ends badly.
341
00:21:49,941 --> 00:21:52,482
After graduation,
he follows his family
342
00:21:52,565 --> 00:21:54,273
south to Exeter, California,
343
00:21:54,357 --> 00:21:57,065
and marries
twenty-year-old Sharon Huddle.
344
00:21:58,357 --> 00:22:01,607
In 1973,
he becomes a police officer,
345
00:22:01,691 --> 00:22:03,899
assigned to
the anti-burglary unit
346
00:22:03,982 --> 00:22:05,607
one town over from Visalia,
347
00:22:05,691 --> 00:22:08,107
the same year
the ransackings begin.
348
00:22:10,399 --> 00:22:12,982
Three years later,
the ransacking ceases
349
00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:15,315
and Joe moves with Sharon
to Auburn,
350
00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:17,440
where he joins the police force.
351
00:22:17,524 --> 00:22:20,941
The East Area Rapist attacks
begin that summer,
352
00:22:21,023 --> 00:22:24,065
just 30 miles southwest
in Rancho Cordova.
353
00:22:25,857 --> 00:22:27,496
No,
he definitely was living in Sacramento.
354
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,041
Okay.
355
00:22:28,065 --> 00:22:30,083
I mean, he definitely
knew Sacramento very well.
356
00:22:30,107 --> 00:22:32,148
But he keeps coming back to this
very small...
357
00:22:32,232 --> 00:22:33,750
I mean, you can walk
to those crime scenes.
358
00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:34,384
Yeah.
359
00:22:34,409 --> 00:22:36,238
They're
within a mile of each other.
360
00:22:37,232 --> 00:22:40,023
The EAR terrorizes
Sacramento and beyond
361
00:22:40,107 --> 00:22:42,857
until 1979,
when Joe was arrested
362
00:22:42,941 --> 00:22:45,190
for stealing dog repellent
and a hammer
363
00:22:45,273 --> 00:22:47,524
and fired from the force.
364
00:22:47,607 --> 00:22:49,941
He wasn't super athletic.
365
00:22:50,023 --> 00:22:53,065
He had a nickname,
which was Junk Food Joey.
366
00:22:53,148 --> 00:22:56,565
He would, you know,
have a bag of potato chips,
367
00:22:56,649 --> 00:23:01,399
a candy bar, or a soft drink
in his hand all the time.
368
00:23:01,482 --> 00:23:03,357
The Original
Night Stalker murders
369
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,649
in Southern California start
in 1979.
370
00:23:06,732 --> 00:23:09,148
The murder spree stops in 1981,
371
00:23:09,232 --> 00:23:12,440
the same year the first
of his three daughters is born.
372
00:23:13,148 --> 00:23:14,899
I mean, God.
373
00:23:16,357 --> 00:23:19,023
No murders occur
for the next five years
374
00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,482
until his last known victim,
Janelle Cruz,
375
00:23:22,565 --> 00:23:24,774
is killed in 1986.
376
00:23:24,857 --> 00:23:28,315
Joe's second daughter is born
six months later.
377
00:23:29,941 --> 00:23:32,357
In the early '90s,
his wife moves out
378
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,982
with their three daughters.
379
00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:35,982
Though Sharon
is a divorce lawyer,
380
00:23:36,065 --> 00:23:38,148
the pair never legally splits.
381
00:23:41,607 --> 00:23:44,982
I think he's a middle-class guy
382
00:23:45,065 --> 00:23:48,148
who... who has a respectable job
that you would just be...
383
00:23:48,232 --> 00:23:51,482
Your jaw would drop if you
found out that this was him.
384
00:23:52,732 --> 00:23:55,107
Joe spends
most of his time fishing
385
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:57,065
and working the night shift
as a mechanic
386
00:23:57,148 --> 00:23:59,524
at a supermarket
distribution center.
387
00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:02,273
In March 2018, he retires,
388
00:24:02,357 --> 00:24:04,816
and the following month,
he is arrested.
389
00:24:08,857 --> 00:24:11,565
Um, the inside
of the house was cluttered,
390
00:24:11,649 --> 00:24:13,691
but an organized clutter. Uh...
391
00:24:13,774 --> 00:24:15,148
Do we have any sense
392
00:24:15,232 --> 00:24:16,941
that he knew
the book came out? Or...
393
00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:19,917
No. In fact, I was half expecting
to see Michelle's book inside the house.
394
00:24:19,941 --> 00:24:21,166
Yeah.
395
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:24,273
Uh, I did think
about Michelle, thinking,
396
00:24:24,357 --> 00:24:26,732
"I wish you were here
to be able to see this,"
397
00:24:26,816 --> 00:24:29,273
because we had so many
conversations
398
00:24:29,357 --> 00:24:31,816
about who this guy actually
could be.
399
00:24:39,607 --> 00:24:42,065
You know, having three daughters
400
00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:45,899
and a granddaughter, um...
401
00:24:45,982 --> 00:24:48,148
you know, knowing
that he committed crimes
402
00:24:48,232 --> 00:24:49,691
against women like that.
403
00:24:51,565 --> 00:24:53,691
What must that be like
in his soul
404
00:24:53,774 --> 00:24:55,607
and in his conscience?
405
00:24:57,774 --> 00:25:01,148
My first alliance
is with all the survivors,
406
00:25:01,232 --> 00:25:05,732
but I also feel compassion
towards his family.
407
00:25:05,816 --> 00:25:08,273
I mean, their lives
are changed forever.
408
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,565
This is Uncle Joe.
409
00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:23,899
This is at his house, uh,
in Citrus Heights.
410
00:25:27,273 --> 00:25:29,399
Here's Uncle Joe again.
411
00:25:29,482 --> 00:25:31,232
It's when he was younger.
412
00:25:31,315 --> 00:25:35,148
And this looks like it was
taken at my parents' place.
413
00:25:35,232 --> 00:25:37,273
Um, yeah.
414
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,232
Yeah.
415
00:25:44,982 --> 00:25:48,399
My mom, as she's dying,
416
00:25:48,482 --> 00:25:52,357
she says, "This family...
417
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,399
is so full of secrets.
418
00:25:57,065 --> 00:25:59,732
Everyone has a secret."
419
00:26:02,232 --> 00:26:06,315
It's Becky, Joe, and Constance.
420
00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:09,524
So, Constance is my mother.
421
00:26:11,315 --> 00:26:14,399
She told me stories
where they would be eating...
422
00:26:14,482 --> 00:26:16,941
peas off of the kitchen floor
423
00:26:17,023 --> 00:26:18,607
and they would be looking
in cabinets
424
00:26:18,691 --> 00:26:19,982
to try to find something to eat.
425
00:26:20,065 --> 00:26:21,440
They were just little kids.
426
00:26:21,524 --> 00:26:23,691
Yeah, they, you know,
because they were always...
427
00:26:23,774 --> 00:26:25,899
They were hungry, you know,
and no one was home
428
00:26:25,982 --> 00:26:27,190
to feed them.
429
00:26:27,273 --> 00:26:30,649
Um, she said that they would be
locked up in a closet.
430
00:26:31,857 --> 00:26:34,816
Uh, her father would lock them
in a closet
431
00:26:34,899 --> 00:26:36,941
and then bring them out
and line them up
432
00:26:37,023 --> 00:26:39,732
and do corporal punishment
on them.
433
00:26:39,816 --> 00:26:42,524
And guess who got the worst
of the beatings?
434
00:26:43,816 --> 00:26:45,565
It was Uncle Joe.
435
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:48,315
She says, "My brother, Joe,
436
00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:50,857
got the worst of all of us."
437
00:26:53,148 --> 00:26:55,482
When we started dating
each other,
438
00:26:55,565 --> 00:26:57,399
he had a big muscle car.
439
00:26:58,065 --> 00:26:59,899
He taught me how to drive.
440
00:26:59,982 --> 00:27:03,941
And he bought me
a small .22 rifle
441
00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:05,774
and taught me how to clean it,
442
00:27:05,857 --> 00:27:08,524
how to load it, how to shoot it
443
00:27:08,607 --> 00:27:11,524
and, um, it was...
It was a power thing.
444
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:15,357
It was all about his dominance.
445
00:27:16,774 --> 00:27:20,399
Joe was my first sexual partner.
446
00:27:20,482 --> 00:27:24,232
When we were together
intimately,
447
00:27:24,941 --> 00:27:28,232
he would stop and come back
448
00:27:28,315 --> 00:27:31,148
and stop and come back
and stop and come back.
449
00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:35,315
And I didn't really understand
that I could say,
450
00:27:35,399 --> 00:27:37,691
"You know,
this is not fun for me.
451
00:27:37,774 --> 00:27:40,565
This is practically painful
for me."
452
00:27:41,065 --> 00:27:42,941
And, uh...
453
00:27:43,023 --> 00:27:44,315
but I j... I went along.
454
00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:46,816
I didn't...
I really didn't know any better.
455
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:50,232
I just had no reference to say,
"This is...
456
00:27:50,315 --> 00:27:53,107
This is going toward abusive."
457
00:27:55,649 --> 00:27:57,357
After the broken engagement
458
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,273
with a gun at my window,
459
00:27:59,357 --> 00:28:02,065
I had so put it away
and buried it.
460
00:28:04,565 --> 00:28:06,482
When he was arrested
461
00:28:06,565 --> 00:28:09,315
and I started to tell
the story again,
462
00:28:09,399 --> 00:28:11,899
I was sleeping
about three hours a night.
463
00:28:13,607 --> 00:28:16,482
I'm waking up
with a gun at my head
464
00:28:16,565 --> 00:28:18,399
over and over and over again.
465
00:28:23,941 --> 00:28:26,023
I still today have a hard time
466
00:28:26,107 --> 00:28:27,607
believing that he did it.
467
00:28:28,816 --> 00:28:30,565
I mean, Joe's like...
468
00:28:31,273 --> 00:28:33,107
an amazing person.
469
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:37,107
He was loving and...
470
00:28:37,982 --> 00:28:39,774
nice and...
471
00:28:42,273 --> 00:28:45,774
just the dad that I always
wished that I had had.
472
00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:52,816
I was related to Joe
through marriage,
473
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,524
but he was just always known
as Uncle Joe to me.
474
00:28:59,816 --> 00:29:02,649
When I was 13,
475
00:29:02,732 --> 00:29:07,148
I had two boys
break into my house
476
00:29:07,232 --> 00:29:11,524
through a bathroom window
in my parents' room
477
00:29:13,107 --> 00:29:17,148
and put my clo...
My sister in a closet,
478
00:29:18,315 --> 00:29:19,857
held a knife to my neck,
479
00:29:21,857 --> 00:29:22,982
and attacked me.
480
00:29:25,065 --> 00:29:27,482
Well, between that and...
481
00:29:29,232 --> 00:29:32,857
the abuse of my dad,
I tried to harm myself...
482
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:38,315
and that's pretty much
how I ended up
483
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,023
going to live with Joe.
484
00:29:46,315 --> 00:29:50,190
This was dated on April 30th...
485
00:29:52,607 --> 00:29:54,524
and I said, "Joe...
486
00:29:55,691 --> 00:29:59,023
I don't even know how to begin,
other than to say..."
487
00:30:01,982 --> 00:30:05,357
"I cannot believe what I am
hearing and seeing.
488
00:30:09,273 --> 00:30:12,273
You taught me to drive,
shoot a gun,
489
00:30:12,357 --> 00:30:16,357
always took me to Blockbuster
to rent my favorite movies.
490
00:30:22,357 --> 00:30:25,565
Some of my best memories
are of you.
491
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,023
You were a good dad,
492
00:30:27,107 --> 00:30:29,565
that is the one thing
I know to be true.
493
00:30:31,565 --> 00:30:33,899
I hope you did care about me...
494
00:30:36,816 --> 00:30:39,649
because my heart
is forever broken."
495
00:30:52,315 --> 00:30:56,649
In 1975, we lived
off of Winchester Way
496
00:30:56,732 --> 00:30:58,273
in Rancho Cordova.
497
00:31:00,524 --> 00:31:01,941
One night, uh,
498
00:31:03,273 --> 00:31:07,232
I was sleeping
and I had to turn over.
499
00:31:07,315 --> 00:31:10,232
And I remember opening my eyes,
and I saw...
500
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,774
some... a man, or some man,
501
00:31:14,857 --> 00:31:17,607
or something,
in a... in a ski mask
502
00:31:17,691 --> 00:31:19,524
and he was staring at me.
503
00:31:19,607 --> 00:31:21,357
This is the house
504
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,023
that me and my family
used to live in.
505
00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:27,565
Um, the bedroom to the left
506
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:30,065
was me and my brother's bedroom.
507
00:31:30,148 --> 00:31:33,524
That's where I saw the man
in the ski mask.
508
00:31:33,607 --> 00:31:35,107
I always wondered
all these years,
509
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:37,273
who was that talking to me
510
00:31:37,357 --> 00:31:39,857
through his teeth, who said,
511
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:45,107
uh, "Don't turn around,
go back to sleep"?
512
00:31:47,482 --> 00:31:50,941
I never discussed it
with anybody.
513
00:31:51,023 --> 00:31:53,315
I never told a soul.
514
00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:56,524
I sat down with my wife
after my uncle got arrested,
515
00:31:56,607 --> 00:32:00,941
and I was in tears and I was
telling her these things.
516
00:32:01,565 --> 00:32:04,649
I said, "Wow,
517
00:32:04,732 --> 00:32:10,107
I wonder if he used our house
as a safe haven?"
518
00:32:13,107 --> 00:32:15,774
I feel very, very bad
519
00:32:16,607 --> 00:32:18,565
for all these victims
520
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:20,482
and for their families,
521
00:32:21,816 --> 00:32:23,607
and all these people,
522
00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:27,357
you know, that were murdered
by him too and their families.
523
00:32:32,273 --> 00:32:34,273
And then, you wake up one day
524
00:32:34,357 --> 00:32:37,899
and you find out that you're on
this side of the spectrum,
525
00:32:38,816 --> 00:32:41,023
where your family member
526
00:32:41,107 --> 00:32:43,899
is the one that did
all these heinous crimes.
527
00:32:45,023 --> 00:32:48,565
Can you imagine how we feel
as well?
528
00:32:49,774 --> 00:32:54,357
To think that someone
who we knew all of our lives
529
00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:57,023
was like this,
530
00:32:58,774 --> 00:33:00,482
and we had no clue.
531
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:07,148
The only motive
that there ever was,
532
00:33:07,232 --> 00:33:09,315
was to completely control
a person
533
00:33:09,399 --> 00:33:11,732
that I found
physically attractive
534
00:33:11,816 --> 00:33:14,357
and keep them with me
as long as possible,
535
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,482
even if it meant just
keeping a part of them.
536
00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:20,691
What would motivate
somebody to do this?
537
00:33:20,774 --> 00:33:21,899
What was the motive?
538
00:33:21,982 --> 00:33:23,148
What's the motive?
539
00:33:23,232 --> 00:33:24,312
What was the motive?
540
00:33:24,357 --> 00:33:26,077
Motive? Motive? Motive?
541
00:33:35,649 --> 00:33:38,440
Thousands of people
flocked to Nashville, Tennessee,
542
00:33:38,524 --> 00:33:39,607
earlier this month.
543
00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:42,565
They were headed
to the second annual CrimeCon,
544
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:44,482
a convention
whose mere existence
545
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:47,357
confirms America's
fascination with crime.
546
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,524
To me, it's almost like
the Coachella
547
00:33:49,607 --> 00:33:51,107
of people who love true crime.
548
00:33:55,732 --> 00:33:58,357
I've spent a lot
of time thinking about why.
549
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440
For many reasons,
the fascination makes no sense.
550
00:34:02,232 --> 00:34:04,190
I'm extraordinarily squeamish
551
00:34:04,273 --> 00:34:06,399
about visual depictions
of violence
552
00:34:06,482 --> 00:34:08,273
and frequently have
to leave the room
553
00:34:08,357 --> 00:34:10,691
at what many would consider
mild episodes
554
00:34:10,774 --> 00:34:13,232
of physical roughness on TV.
555
00:34:13,315 --> 00:34:16,107
No one in my family has
murdered or been murdered.
556
00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:20,691
I don't know. I just don't know.
557
00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:29,291
So glad to meet you!
558
00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:31,816
It's a fear a lot of women hold
559
00:34:31,899 --> 00:34:33,649
that something's gonna happen
to them,
560
00:34:33,732 --> 00:34:35,691
they might get attacked, um,
561
00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:38,023
you know, whatever it might be.
562
00:34:38,107 --> 00:34:40,023
Uh, they might get raped.
563
00:34:40,107 --> 00:34:43,273
Because in the world,
they are vulnerable,
564
00:34:43,357 --> 00:34:46,899
and their worst fear happened
to somebody else.
565
00:34:46,982 --> 00:34:51,107
And there's empathy,
it's fear-driven...
566
00:34:52,607 --> 00:34:56,357
and when you're transferred
into these alternate worlds
567
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,607
through true crime,
568
00:34:57,691 --> 00:35:00,774
where the worst things possible
are happening,
569
00:35:00,857 --> 00:35:02,148
it's both a relief,
570
00:35:02,232 --> 00:35:05,440
because it takes your mind
off all your darkness inside...
571
00:35:07,315 --> 00:35:09,732
and at the same time,
it's filling a fantasy
572
00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:11,524
of your worst fears.
573
00:35:15,357 --> 00:35:16,607
It was awesome.
574
00:35:16,691 --> 00:35:17,891
- Thank you, guys.
- Thank you.
575
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:19,333
- Appreciate it.
- Can we have a picture?
576
00:35:19,357 --> 00:35:20,691
- Sure.
- I'm sorry.
577
00:35:23,273 --> 00:35:24,649
Big fan.
578
00:35:26,524 --> 00:35:28,982
Initially, I was just a little,
579
00:35:29,065 --> 00:35:30,732
um, uneasy about the fact
580
00:35:30,816 --> 00:35:32,857
that I had no direct
relationship to the case.
581
00:35:32,941 --> 00:35:34,381
It's the sort of thing
that's like,
582
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,667
"Well, why are you doing this?"
583
00:35:35,691 --> 00:35:36,833
Like, "Do you know someone
who was...
584
00:35:36,857 --> 00:35:38,565
Who was attacked
by this offender?" No.
585
00:35:39,816 --> 00:35:42,732
But it was just, I don't know,
why do people collect,
586
00:35:42,816 --> 00:35:46,065
uh, baseball cards
or model trains, you know?
587
00:35:46,148 --> 00:35:48,190
It's just something that
captured my interest.
588
00:35:53,691 --> 00:35:58,565
This case gave me a direction
and a focus.
589
00:36:00,065 --> 00:36:03,065
Connecting with Michelle
was validating.
590
00:36:04,315 --> 00:36:07,065
I was spending
ten to 15 hours a day
591
00:36:07,148 --> 00:36:09,107
developing persons of interest.
592
00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:12,148
Had this case not been solved,
593
00:36:12,232 --> 00:36:13,583
I could have continued
doing that
594
00:36:13,607 --> 00:36:15,190
for the next 20 years.
595
00:36:17,982 --> 00:36:20,232
Now that the person has a face
and a name,
596
00:36:21,607 --> 00:36:24,023
I guess I'm... I'm... I'm just
kind of waiting for a certain,
597
00:36:24,107 --> 00:36:26,565
uh, feeling to materialize.
598
00:36:31,148 --> 00:36:34,691
Sort of overwhelming waves
of feeling emotion.
599
00:36:34,774 --> 00:36:37,857
Uh, and it never really happens.
600
00:36:50,399 --> 00:36:52,774
Who is Joseph James DeAngelo?
601
00:36:52,857 --> 00:36:55,482
The wife of
the suspected East Area Rapist
602
00:36:55,565 --> 00:36:58,357
returned home only briefly
this afternoon,
603
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,315
driving off when she saw us
approach.
604
00:37:00,399 --> 00:37:03,023
It would be living hell
to be related to this person.
605
00:37:03,107 --> 00:37:05,524
Tonight,
investigators revealing new details
606
00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:07,232
about what may have fueled
the rage
607
00:37:07,315 --> 00:37:10,023
of accused Golden State Killer
Joseph DeAngelo.
608
00:37:10,107 --> 00:37:12,774
One rape victim in 1978
describing
609
00:37:12,857 --> 00:37:15,190
how her attacker sobbed
while saying,
610
00:37:15,273 --> 00:37:17,649
"I hate you, Bonnie.
I hate you."
611
00:37:23,315 --> 00:37:25,148
I had no idea
612
00:37:26,273 --> 00:37:28,107
how much I would be involved.
613
00:37:29,774 --> 00:37:31,315
The street in front of my home
614
00:37:31,399 --> 00:37:33,083
was full of satellite trucks
and reporters
615
00:37:33,107 --> 00:37:34,565
just waiting for me.
616
00:37:34,649 --> 00:37:38,190
I had, uh, 143 phone messages
617
00:37:38,273 --> 00:37:39,399
waiting on my phone.
618
00:37:39,482 --> 00:37:43,482
People calling repeatedly
from NBC, ABC, CBS.
619
00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:46,941
A producer from The Today Show
came day after day after day
620
00:37:47,023 --> 00:37:48,857
and left notes and cards,
621
00:37:48,941 --> 00:37:51,732
and "We want to interview you."
622
00:37:51,816 --> 00:37:55,607
My Facebook profile photograph
wasn't protected,
623
00:37:55,691 --> 00:37:59,315
so that's the photograph that
was used all over the place.
624
00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:03,190
It was total invasion
of my privacy.
625
00:38:04,357 --> 00:38:06,941
But I refuse to wear
626
00:38:07,023 --> 00:38:09,023
the blame for a crazy man,
627
00:38:09,107 --> 00:38:13,107
so I... I don't... I don't carry
the guilt for that.
628
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:17,941
But the empathy with the women
that were attacked,
629
00:38:18,023 --> 00:38:21,524
and I can't...
I can't turn that off.
630
00:38:24,565 --> 00:38:25,792
Applause broke out
631
00:38:25,816 --> 00:38:27,399
in this Sacramento County
courtroom
632
00:38:27,482 --> 00:38:29,023
after a judge ruled to begin
633
00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:31,357
Joseph DeAngelo's
preliminary trial
634
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,482
in four months,
635
00:38:32,565 --> 00:38:35,732
despite defense requests
to delay another year.
636
00:38:46,982 --> 00:38:48,982
I was told by the detectives
637
00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:54,023
that came to interview me
that he didn't kill from '82...
638
00:38:54,107 --> 00:38:57,691
And then he killed again in '86.
639
00:39:00,023 --> 00:39:04,065
And so, during that period,
I lived with him,
640
00:39:04,148 --> 00:39:07,232
and then I got married
in '86 and moved away.
641
00:39:08,107 --> 00:39:09,107
So...
642
00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:13,565
that's the golden question,
is everybody wants to know
643
00:39:13,649 --> 00:39:15,399
why he stopped.
644
00:39:20,607 --> 00:39:22,107
And there's my mother.
645
00:39:29,357 --> 00:39:31,273
My mother was, uh...
646
00:39:33,774 --> 00:39:34,982
she was raped...
647
00:39:40,774 --> 00:39:43,941
in Germany
when she was seven years old...
648
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:48,440
by two...
649
00:39:49,941 --> 00:39:51,148
military...
650
00:39:52,482 --> 00:39:53,982
officers or men...
651
00:39:55,482 --> 00:39:57,107
in an airplane hangar.
652
00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:03,816
Guess who was watching.
653
00:40:07,107 --> 00:40:08,357
Uncle Joe.
654
00:40:11,273 --> 00:40:14,607
He watched her getting raped.
655
00:40:23,232 --> 00:40:24,816
The very thing...
656
00:40:26,148 --> 00:40:27,691
that happened to my mother
657
00:40:29,107 --> 00:40:31,065
is the very thing
that my uncle went
658
00:40:31,148 --> 00:40:32,607
and did to other women.
659
00:40:36,857 --> 00:40:38,315
I don't understand that.
660
00:40:40,816 --> 00:40:42,524
How sickening is that?
661
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:50,107
Wouldn't you want to be,
like, an advocate to do good
662
00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:53,399
when you see something like that
happen to your own sister?
663
00:40:57,857 --> 00:40:59,315
It's just sickening.
664
00:41:13,565 --> 00:41:15,148
Honestly... Oh... Oh, my God.
665
00:41:15,232 --> 00:41:18,440
Thank you, guys, for staying...
Coming out so early,
666
00:41:18,524 --> 00:41:19,774
for hanging out.
667
00:41:19,857 --> 00:41:22,315
This was amazing.
Thank you, Paul Haynes.
668
00:41:22,399 --> 00:41:23,774
Thank you, Billy Jensen.
669
00:41:26,899 --> 00:41:28,273
And thank you, murderinos!
670
00:41:42,232 --> 00:41:44,732
Um, this is, uh, Kris.
671
00:41:45,565 --> 00:41:47,023
K-R-I-S.
672
00:41:49,565 --> 00:41:52,190
And, um, and I'm
the social worker in the book.
673
00:41:52,273 --> 00:41:53,982
- Oh, you are.
- Yeah.
674
00:41:54,065 --> 00:41:56,025
Yes. But you're not named.
Are you okay with that?
675
00:41:56,107 --> 00:41:57,541
- She used a pseu...
- You know what?
676
00:41:57,565 --> 00:41:59,691
- I'm perfect.
- Okay. Good. Good.
677
00:41:59,774 --> 00:42:01,065
Are you in the book as well?
678
00:42:01,148 --> 00:42:02,691
- I'm number one.
- She's number one.
679
00:42:02,774 --> 00:42:04,816
- Oh, my God.
- And Kris is number ten.
680
00:42:04,899 --> 00:42:06,041
- God.
- And then...
681
00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:07,291
And you're under pseudonyms?
682
00:42:07,315 --> 00:42:08,375
- Yep.
- Yeah.
683
00:42:08,399 --> 00:42:10,899
- Okay.
- And Patricia showed up tonight
684
00:42:10,982 --> 00:42:13,732
and just, uh, went to
the manager of the store
685
00:42:13,816 --> 00:42:14,941
and said she was a victim.
686
00:42:15,023 --> 00:42:17,357
And this is
her first interaction tonight
687
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,315
with even,
like, meeting people that...
688
00:42:20,399 --> 00:42:23,816
It's so powerful having
all the women together.
689
00:42:23,899 --> 00:42:26,190
Well, this...
This has made me feel
690
00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:28,232
- a thousand percent better...
- Mm-hmm.
691
00:42:28,315 --> 00:42:29,917
- ...getting to see you...
- Us, too.
692
00:42:29,941 --> 00:42:31,482
- Yeah.
- ...like, living
693
00:42:31,565 --> 00:42:33,249
and moving around in the world
and living your...
694
00:42:33,273 --> 00:42:34,982
- And strong.
- Yeah, exactly.
695
00:42:35,065 --> 00:42:35,899
And we're...
696
00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:38,148
I... I just feel like
we've very unified
697
00:42:38,232 --> 00:42:40,273
and we do have
something in common,
698
00:42:40,357 --> 00:42:42,399
but more than that,
like, we just...
699
00:42:42,482 --> 00:42:43,899
- Bonded.
- We've bonded.
700
00:42:43,982 --> 00:42:46,524
And so just, uh, if we're
gonna find something good
701
00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:48,899
out of the bad,
we're gonna find it.
702
00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,440
- Yeah.
- We will.
703
00:42:50,524 --> 00:42:51,982
- And we are.
- Oh, God.
704
00:42:52,065 --> 00:42:53,708
So you did a really
great job in finishing...
705
00:42:53,732 --> 00:42:55,625
- Yeah. And we thank you.
- Thank you so much.
706
00:42:55,649 --> 00:42:56,941
Thank you. Thank you.
707
00:42:57,023 --> 00:43:00,315
I'm... It means everything
to get to meet you guys.
708
00:43:01,273 --> 00:43:03,148
And us to meet you.
709
00:43:03,649 --> 00:43:05,232
It does. I wish...
710
00:43:05,315 --> 00:43:06,357
And I w... you know, I...
711
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,792
I wish Michelle
was hugging you guys.
712
00:43:07,816 --> 00:43:11,065
I every day wish Michelle was
here to see this.
713
00:43:11,148 --> 00:43:13,816
We... yeah.
I wish Michelle was here.
714
00:43:13,899 --> 00:43:15,982
This would have been her glory.
715
00:43:19,232 --> 00:43:21,899
Pick... Pick the Abe Lincoln
setting for Billy.
716
00:43:31,774 --> 00:43:35,982
Meeting those women
up in Sacramento...
717
00:43:36,065 --> 00:43:39,065
to see them there
and they're smiling
718
00:43:39,148 --> 00:43:43,524
and... and... and they were like
joking with me, and, um...
719
00:43:46,691 --> 00:43:49,232
They had every right
to become horrible monsters
720
00:43:49,315 --> 00:43:51,691
like Joseph DeAngelo,
and they didn't.
721
00:43:51,774 --> 00:43:53,857
So, them and the way
that they're living
722
00:43:53,941 --> 00:43:56,399
is such a fuck-you to him.
723
00:43:56,482 --> 00:43:59,399
Like, "You tried to bring
the same damage to us
724
00:43:59,482 --> 00:44:03,399
that forever warped you,
and it didn't work.
725
00:44:03,482 --> 00:44:05,607
And we... we've proved
that you could have chosen
726
00:44:05,691 --> 00:44:06,941
to overcome this
727
00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:08,982
and that's why
you can't look at us."
728
00:44:10,357 --> 00:44:11,857
Fuck you, Joseph DeAngelo.
729
00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:15,649
Fuck all these
fucking loser zilch assholes.
730
00:44:15,732 --> 00:44:16,982
Fuck them.
731
00:44:24,857 --> 00:44:26,524
It's so good to see you.
732
00:44:26,607 --> 00:44:28,732
Of course! He really thinks
I don't remember them.
733
00:44:28,816 --> 00:44:30,649
Are you kidding? We're like...
734
00:44:30,732 --> 00:44:33,691
- Hi! Good to see you.
- How are you?
735
00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:35,357
- How are you?
- Good.
736
00:44:46,482 --> 00:44:49,899
- Hello. How are you?
- Hi.
737
00:44:49,982 --> 00:44:51,232
I'm good.
738
00:44:51,315 --> 00:44:54,649
Oh, my gosh,
it's so nice to meet you.
739
00:44:54,732 --> 00:44:56,232
This is my husband, Bob.
740
00:44:56,315 --> 00:44:58,999
- Hi, Bob. It's nice to meet you, too.
- Nice to meet you.
741
00:44:59,023 --> 00:45:00,440
- This is Kris.
- Oh, yeah.
742
00:45:02,399 --> 00:45:04,649
I just wanted
to introduce myself. I'm Linda.
743
00:45:04,732 --> 00:45:07,190
- Hi. Courtney.
- Hi, Courtney. Nice to meet you.
744
00:45:09,774 --> 00:45:11,166
Hi. My name's...
My name's Michelle.
745
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:13,148
Good to meet you.
746
00:45:13,232 --> 00:45:15,107
And I'm number... I'm number 39.
747
00:45:15,857 --> 00:45:16,774
I'm 31.
748
00:45:16,857 --> 00:45:18,337
And this is my husband,
who's also 31.
749
00:45:18,399 --> 00:45:19,774
Were you married then?
750
00:45:19,857 --> 00:45:22,315
Mm-hmm.
And I had a three-year-old son.
751
00:45:22,399 --> 00:45:25,023
- Yeah.
- And then how long did your marriage last after that?
752
00:45:25,107 --> 00:45:27,607
- Seven months.
- Oh, boy.
753
00:45:27,691 --> 00:45:29,857
All parties
went for death penalty.
754
00:45:29,941 --> 00:45:33,357
Because I wanted him
to rot in jail, you know.
755
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,023
But now...
756
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,267
I don't think he's
gonna live that long anyway.
757
00:45:37,315 --> 00:45:38,607
Nah, probably not.
758
00:45:38,691 --> 00:45:39,899
I told Gay, I said,
759
00:45:39,982 --> 00:45:41,607
"I hope he goes to prison
for 30 years."
760
00:45:41,691 --> 00:45:42,691
Not... Don't kill him.
761
00:45:42,732 --> 00:45:44,315
- Yeah.
- Let him suffer.
762
00:45:44,399 --> 00:45:47,857
- Yeah, absolutely.
- Trust me, he will.
763
00:45:47,941 --> 00:45:50,065
He's not gonna have
any place to hide.
764
00:45:50,148 --> 00:45:52,065
I would just like
for it to be over,
765
00:45:52,148 --> 00:45:54,732
and for all the convictions
to be on record,
766
00:45:54,816 --> 00:45:57,899
and for him to be
out of the limelight
767
00:45:57,982 --> 00:46:00,732
and where he should remain
for the rest of his life.
768
00:46:00,816 --> 00:46:01,816
Yeah.
769
00:46:03,315 --> 00:46:05,023
Um, I've decided to get...
770
00:46:05,107 --> 00:46:08,273
a little bit of therapy
to just deal with some of the...
771
00:46:08,357 --> 00:46:12,273
uh, feelings that I've developed
over this past year,
772
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:15,190
uh, things that have been
dredged up.
773
00:46:16,399 --> 00:46:18,691
It's been almost a year now,
and I'm...
774
00:46:19,691 --> 00:46:22,023
I'm much better in some ways.
775
00:46:22,982 --> 00:46:24,857
In some ways, I'm worse.
776
00:46:24,941 --> 00:46:29,399
But... I am better
in my daily life
777
00:46:29,482 --> 00:46:31,357
and my ability to...
778
00:46:32,774 --> 00:46:37,691
um, sleep better at night
and, uh, open the window,
779
00:46:37,774 --> 00:46:40,899
wake up,
and not be certain that, uh...
780
00:46:40,982 --> 00:46:42,899
death is in my home.
781
00:46:43,857 --> 00:46:45,649
And, um...
782
00:46:45,732 --> 00:46:48,357
it is hard for, I think,
people to understand,
783
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,899
although I found people here
at this gathering understand
784
00:46:52,691 --> 00:46:54,565
how it doesn't go away.
785
00:46:56,857 --> 00:46:58,857
I'm not gonna change my life
786
00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:01,482
and give him
one more ounce of me.
787
00:47:01,565 --> 00:47:05,774
And if I do, he won,
and I said I'm not doing that.
788
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:08,273
I want to be positive,
I want to show strength,
789
00:47:08,357 --> 00:47:09,797
and I want to show it
to other women.
790
00:47:09,857 --> 00:47:11,148
- Yes.
- And young girls.
791
00:47:11,232 --> 00:47:13,023
- Yes.
- If it happens to a young girl,
792
00:47:13,107 --> 00:47:14,899
report it,
don't be ashamed of it,
793
00:47:14,982 --> 00:47:16,500
- own it, and move on.
- That's right.
794
00:47:16,524 --> 00:47:18,148
- If you need help, get help.
- Yep.
795
00:47:18,232 --> 00:47:20,190
So, I was telling her, I said...
796
00:47:20,273 --> 00:47:23,899
My younger son did not want me
to be a part of these shows.
797
00:47:23,982 --> 00:47:25,649
He said,
"I'm in fear of something
798
00:47:25,732 --> 00:47:27,774
happening to my family."
799
00:47:27,857 --> 00:47:30,732
I wrote him a letter
and I told him,
800
00:47:30,816 --> 00:47:33,107
"I stayed quiet
for over 20 years."
801
00:47:33,982 --> 00:47:35,691
And I said, "Today, I'm happy,
802
00:47:35,774 --> 00:47:38,649
I'm healthy, I'm strong,
803
00:47:38,732 --> 00:47:40,607
I'm part of the 'Me Too, '
804
00:47:41,524 --> 00:47:43,357
and I have a story to tell."
805
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,524
And when he got the letter,
he called up and he said,
806
00:47:45,607 --> 00:47:48,023
"Mom, I love you,
and I'm proud of you."
807
00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:54,315
Okay, well,
has everyone got their glass?
808
00:47:54,399 --> 00:47:56,691
Yep.
809
00:47:56,774 --> 00:47:59,774
So, it's been four decades
since the East Area Rapist
810
00:47:59,857 --> 00:48:01,315
invaded our lives...
811
00:48:04,107 --> 00:48:05,232
and our bodies.
812
00:48:05,816 --> 00:48:06,857
And with that...
813
00:48:06,941 --> 00:48:11,148
he also invaded our sense
of security and safety.
814
00:48:11,232 --> 00:48:14,857
And for me, as much as I hate
to admit it at times,
815
00:48:14,941 --> 00:48:16,774
it definitely changed me.
816
00:48:17,774 --> 00:48:19,565
And now, it's only been one year
817
00:48:19,649 --> 00:48:22,399
since the East Area Rapist
has a face.
818
00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:25,357
He can't hide
behind his mask anymore.
819
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,232
And he has a name.
820
00:48:27,315 --> 00:48:29,816
And his name is Inmate DeAngelo.
821
00:48:30,649 --> 00:48:32,691
And Inmate DeAngelo
is behind bars
822
00:48:32,774 --> 00:48:34,357
and our safety
has been restored.
823
00:48:35,816 --> 00:48:37,941
But something else happened...
824
00:48:38,023 --> 00:48:40,941
during this year,
and that is us.
825
00:48:41,023 --> 00:48:43,941
When we've met,
we've had no trouble sharing
826
00:48:44,023 --> 00:48:45,649
what we couldn't share
with other people
827
00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,607
because it comes from here
and we get it.
828
00:48:47,691 --> 00:48:49,732
And we know what it means.
829
00:48:49,816 --> 00:48:52,190
We're not just survivor sisters,
830
00:48:52,273 --> 00:48:54,023
we are a survivor family.
831
00:48:55,315 --> 00:48:56,982
- Well, said.
- And...
832
00:48:57,649 --> 00:48:59,649
um, on a personal note,
833
00:49:00,816 --> 00:49:02,732
I feel for the very first time
834
00:49:02,816 --> 00:49:07,273
that I'm on the road
to becoming myself again.
835
00:49:07,357 --> 00:49:09,190
And you are all
to thank for that.
836
00:49:10,148 --> 00:49:11,565
So raise your glass
837
00:49:11,649 --> 00:49:14,273
to our new extended
survivor family.
838
00:49:14,357 --> 00:49:16,399
- Cheers.
- Cheers.
839
00:49:27,023 --> 00:49:29,023
Great... Great job, Kris.
840
00:49:29,107 --> 00:49:31,747
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
841
00:49:39,357 --> 00:49:41,625
- Oh, are you leaving?
- We're gonna have to go.
842
00:49:41,649 --> 00:49:43,232
Okay. Yeah.
You've got vacation, huh?
843
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:13,732
The arrest of the suspect
and visiting Paris
844
00:50:13,816 --> 00:50:16,440
were two lifelong dreams for me.
845
00:50:16,524 --> 00:50:19,899
And somehow,
they occurred simultaneously.
846
00:50:21,232 --> 00:50:24,691
We had this trip planned
for a while.
847
00:50:24,774 --> 00:50:28,732
And when he was arrested,
I said...
848
00:50:28,816 --> 00:50:31,607
"He's going to prison
and I'm going to Paris."
849
00:50:31,691 --> 00:50:34,190
And that's...
That's a good thing.
850
00:50:38,232 --> 00:50:41,899
Two days later, I found myself
walking through the Louvre
851
00:50:41,982 --> 00:50:44,023
for the first time
in my whole life,
852
00:50:44,107 --> 00:50:46,107
which had been a lifelong goal.
853
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:48,649
And I was just stopped
in my tracks
854
00:50:48,732 --> 00:50:50,899
by this one painting.
855
00:50:56,148 --> 00:51:02,190
It is a young woman
who has been left to drown
856
00:51:02,273 --> 00:51:03,941
with her hands bound.
857
00:51:05,315 --> 00:51:09,857
And the painting
shows her peacefully having...
858
00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:11,691
given up...
859
00:51:11,774 --> 00:51:14,148
just under the surface
of the water.
860
00:51:15,232 --> 00:51:19,816
It just summed up
how I felt, you know,
861
00:51:19,899 --> 00:51:22,440
during the event
and sometimes after.
862
00:51:23,982 --> 00:51:26,232
You know,
this is what it feels like
863
00:51:26,315 --> 00:51:30,899
to have everything
taken from you.
864
00:51:30,982 --> 00:51:35,107
And yet, you know,
you're so close to the surface,
865
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:37,399
but you can't survive.
866
00:52:22,524 --> 00:52:24,440
I think the narcotic pull for me
867
00:52:24,524 --> 00:52:26,607
is what I think of
as the powerful absence
868
00:52:26,691 --> 00:52:28,691
that haunts an unsolved crime.
869
00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:34,524
Murderers lose their power
the moment we know them.
870
00:52:35,732 --> 00:52:40,065
But he, whomever he was,
was still out there.
871
00:52:40,148 --> 00:52:43,774
The hollow gap of his identity
was violently powerful to me.
872
00:52:45,941 --> 00:52:48,774
But if you commit
a brutal crime and then vanish,
873
00:52:49,732 --> 00:52:51,899
what you leave behind
isn't just pain,
874
00:52:51,982 --> 00:52:53,357
but absence...
875
00:52:54,107 --> 00:52:56,607
a great supreme blankness
876
00:52:56,691 --> 00:53:00,357
that triumphs,
obscenely, it seems to me...
877
00:53:01,399 --> 00:53:03,273
over everything else.
878
00:54:24,148 --> 00:54:26,857
You shared so much with us,
879
00:54:26,941 --> 00:54:30,232
so much of her
personal writing and thoughts.
880
00:54:30,315 --> 00:54:32,899
Extraordinarily generous.
881
00:54:32,982 --> 00:54:35,440
Is there something that you
were looking for in... in there
882
00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:38,232
that you couldn't
look at yourself?
883
00:54:38,315 --> 00:54:41,524
There were parts of her
that I didn't know about,
884
00:54:41,607 --> 00:54:45,315
and I figured with talking
to other friends of hers and...
885
00:54:45,399 --> 00:54:47,649
family members and people
that she worked with,
886
00:54:47,732 --> 00:54:49,607
you know, even if you're
married to someone,
887
00:54:49,691 --> 00:54:51,440
you don't totally
100 percent know
888
00:54:51,524 --> 00:54:53,399
the other person.
889
00:54:53,482 --> 00:54:54,941
It's not the whole Michelle.
890
00:54:55,023 --> 00:54:56,649
It's parts of her.
891
00:54:58,691 --> 00:55:00,982
I try to tell Alice
every single thing I can
892
00:55:01,065 --> 00:55:02,607
about Michelle that I know.
893
00:55:02,691 --> 00:55:04,148
But there's stuff I don't know.
894
00:58:38,631 --> 00:58:41,631
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