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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:15,049 --> 00:00:17,707 - We're done with Harlan unplugged. 4 00:00:17,741 --> 00:00:18,984 This is Harlan plugged in now. 5 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:20,054 - This is the real Harlan Ellison. 6 00:00:20,089 --> 00:00:21,228 This has been a myth, 7 00:00:21,262 --> 00:00:22,505 everything we've seen in the edit room. 8 00:00:22,539 --> 00:00:24,058 - Just shoot the fucking thing 9 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:25,508 so I can go back to my life. 10 00:00:29,926 --> 00:00:31,341 - Yes or no. True or false. 11 00:00:31,376 --> 00:00:32,446 Yes or no and you can qualify them if you want. 12 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:33,723 - Okay. - This will be not 13 00:00:33,757 --> 00:00:34,862 used against you. 14 00:00:34,896 --> 00:00:36,070 - Yeah, not in a court of law. 15 00:00:36,105 --> 00:00:37,002 - No, no, We've done that already. 16 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,314 - Okay. - Okay, ready? 17 00:00:38,348 --> 00:00:40,143 - Yeah. - First one. 18 00:00:40,178 --> 00:00:42,076 Mailed dead gopher to a publishing house. 19 00:00:42,111 --> 00:00:43,043 - Absolutely true. 20 00:00:45,838 --> 00:00:48,531 And it went during the summer 21 00:00:48,565 --> 00:00:50,257 and it went by fourth-class mail. 22 00:00:50,291 --> 00:00:51,223 - So you wanted to make sure that it was there 23 00:00:51,258 --> 00:00:52,362 and a little bloated by then. 24 00:00:52,397 --> 00:00:54,537 - Cost them thousands to fumigate. 25 00:00:58,955 --> 00:01:01,544 - Attacked ABC executive, breaking pelvis. 26 00:01:01,578 --> 00:01:02,717 - True. Absolutely true. 27 00:01:02,752 --> 00:01:04,271 Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. 28 00:01:04,305 --> 00:01:07,239 I went for him, climbed up onto the conference table 29 00:01:07,274 --> 00:01:08,861 in Erwin Allen's office. 30 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:10,415 There was a lot of papers on the desk. 31 00:01:10,449 --> 00:01:11,519 It was highly polished. 32 00:01:11,554 --> 00:01:13,728 I slipped, very heroic of me, 33 00:01:13,763 --> 00:01:15,696 and face first, went into him like that 34 00:01:15,730 --> 00:01:18,043 and caught him in the throat with the fist. 35 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:20,114 He went over backwards and hit the wall 36 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:21,598 and there was a six-foot long model 37 00:01:21,633 --> 00:01:25,430 or 18-foot long model of the Sea View on the wall, 38 00:01:25,464 --> 00:01:26,672 and it broke loose from its moorings 39 00:01:26,707 --> 00:01:28,536 and fell on him and broke his pelvis. 40 00:01:37,407 --> 00:01:39,168 - Threw fan down elevator shaft. 41 00:01:39,202 --> 00:01:40,307 - Never! 42 00:01:40,341 --> 00:01:41,825 Never, never happened. 43 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:43,103 Never happened! 44 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:55,011 - Barbra Streisand stole his Night Club tapes. 45 00:01:55,045 --> 00:01:56,288 - Yeah, yeah, yeah! 46 00:01:56,323 --> 00:01:57,324 Bitch stole-- 47 00:01:57,358 --> 00:01:58,290 Yeah! 48 00:01:58,325 --> 00:01:59,395 Yeah! 49 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:01,362 $21 worth of-- - Gonef! 50 00:02:01,397 --> 00:02:03,537 Gonef, hello, gorgeous, I need the money. 51 00:02:14,272 --> 00:02:16,895 Banged over 500 women, boast about it in print. 52 00:02:16,929 --> 00:02:18,034 - Not true. - Okay, good. 53 00:02:18,068 --> 00:02:19,346 - Over 700. 54 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:20,485 - We'll be right back. 55 00:02:26,353 --> 00:02:27,871 - Drove dynamite truck. 56 00:02:27,906 --> 00:02:29,183 - Yes. - Okay. 57 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:30,288 - Actually nitro truck. 58 00:02:30,322 --> 00:02:31,461 - Nitro truck, you-- 59 00:02:31,496 --> 00:02:32,290 - North Carolina. - Wonderful. 60 00:02:32,324 --> 00:02:33,498 That's always good. 61 00:02:33,532 --> 00:02:35,051 Harlan, well, I want my Jewish friend 62 00:02:35,085 --> 00:02:37,364 to drive this down that bumpy road. 63 00:02:37,398 --> 00:02:38,710 - I mean, really, it was-- 64 00:02:38,744 --> 00:02:40,021 - And take Twitchy with you. 65 00:02:40,056 --> 00:02:41,678 - And the only reason I got the job 66 00:02:41,713 --> 00:02:43,197 was because I was nonunion! 67 00:02:43,232 --> 00:02:44,198 - That's it. We did it. 68 00:02:44,233 --> 00:02:45,855 We did it. - Oh, God. 69 00:02:45,889 --> 00:02:47,477 Oh. 70 00:02:47,512 --> 00:02:48,927 I wanna have your children. 71 00:02:48,961 --> 00:02:50,722 - Oh, well, I've got three, I'll send one over. 72 00:02:54,415 --> 00:02:56,245 - At the close of our program yesterday, 73 00:02:56,279 --> 00:02:59,524 Tom held up this envelope containing a piece of paper 74 00:02:59,558 --> 00:03:01,042 and the words on it said, 75 00:03:01,077 --> 00:03:03,148 "August afternoon, a person walking along 76 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,425 "a rocky beach in Maine, 77 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:07,601 "picks up a pair of broken sunglasses." 78 00:03:07,635 --> 00:03:10,051 What happened next was at 9:45, 79 00:03:10,086 --> 00:03:11,812 Harlan Ellison climbed in the window 80 00:03:11,846 --> 00:03:13,745 of a 5th Avenue bookstore. 81 00:03:13,779 --> 00:03:15,988 Read Tom's words for the first time, 82 00:03:16,023 --> 00:03:17,438 as the crowds looked on, 83 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,753 and then began to write, 84 00:03:22,616 --> 00:03:25,343 until finally five hours later, 85 00:03:25,377 --> 00:03:28,553 The Night of Black Glass was completed. 86 00:03:30,002 --> 00:03:33,040 - I do it because I think, particularly in this country, 87 00:03:33,074 --> 00:03:34,800 people are so distanced from literature, 88 00:03:34,835 --> 00:03:36,250 the way it's taught in schools, 89 00:03:36,285 --> 00:03:38,183 that they think that the people who write are magicians 90 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:39,667 on a mountaintop somewhere. 91 00:03:39,702 --> 00:03:41,082 And I think that's one of the reasons 92 00:03:41,117 --> 00:03:42,532 why there's so much illiteracy in this country. 93 00:03:42,567 --> 00:03:44,120 So by doing it in public, 94 00:03:44,154 --> 00:03:45,604 I show people that it's a job of work 95 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:47,606 like being a plumber or an electrician. 96 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:53,025 I am told that my story, 97 00:03:53,060 --> 00:03:55,959 Repent, Harlequin! Said the Ticktockman, 98 00:03:55,994 --> 00:03:57,823 is one of the 10 most reprinted stories 99 00:03:57,858 --> 00:03:59,066 in the English language. 100 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:01,275 Academics tell me this and I have to listen 101 00:04:01,310 --> 00:04:03,967 because there in lies my posterity. 102 00:04:04,002 --> 00:04:06,073 You see, long after I am dust, 103 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:07,868 they will still be reprinting 104 00:04:07,902 --> 00:04:09,939 Repent, Harlequin! Said the Ticktockman, 105 00:04:09,973 --> 00:04:14,288 and so, here is a piece from Repent, Harlequin. 106 00:04:14,323 --> 00:04:18,361 "Get stuffed!" the Harlequin replied, sneering. 107 00:04:18,396 --> 00:04:21,261 "You've been late a total of 63 years, 108 00:04:21,295 --> 00:04:25,195 "five months, three weeks, two days, 12 hours, 41 minutes, 109 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:29,510 "59 seconds, 0.063111 microseconds. 110 00:04:29,545 --> 00:04:33,480 "You've used up everything you can, and more. 111 00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:35,896 "I'm going to turn you off." 112 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:37,587 "Scare someone else. 113 00:04:37,622 --> 00:04:39,313 "I'd rather be dead than live in a dumb world 114 00:04:39,348 --> 00:04:41,246 "with a bogeyman like you!" 115 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,041 "It's my job." 116 00:04:43,075 --> 00:04:43,869 "You're full of it. 117 00:04:43,904 --> 00:04:45,112 "You're a tyrant! 118 00:04:45,146 --> 00:04:46,424 "You have no right to order people around 119 00:04:46,458 --> 00:04:48,391 "and kill them if they show up late!" 120 00:04:48,426 --> 00:04:50,151 "You can't adjust. 121 00:04:50,186 --> 00:04:52,153 "You can't fit in." 122 00:04:52,188 --> 00:04:55,812 "Unstrap me, and I'll fit my fist into your mouth!" 123 00:04:55,847 --> 00:04:57,780 "You're a nonconformist!" 124 00:04:57,814 --> 00:04:59,954 "That didn't used to be a felony!" 125 00:04:59,989 --> 00:05:01,301 "It is now. 126 00:05:01,335 --> 00:05:03,337 "Live in the world around you." 127 00:05:03,372 --> 00:05:05,615 "I hate it, the world around me. 128 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:07,859 "It's a terrible world!" 129 00:05:07,893 --> 00:05:11,069 "Repent, Harlequin!" said the Ticktockman. 130 00:05:11,103 --> 00:05:12,415 "Get stuffed!" 131 00:05:19,008 --> 00:05:20,941 - I remember being in a public library, 132 00:05:20,975 --> 00:05:22,563 sitting there with my book open 133 00:05:22,598 --> 00:05:25,877 and tears coming down my eyes at the end of this story. 134 00:05:29,846 --> 00:05:33,954 - It's like having a spike driven into your head. 135 00:05:38,683 --> 00:05:41,617 - There's a real power to the way he uses the language 136 00:05:41,651 --> 00:05:43,998 and how he draws pictures in your mind. 137 00:05:50,453 --> 00:05:53,249 - I always saw him, sort of in my head, in the writing, 138 00:05:53,283 --> 00:05:54,664 he's a cocky guitar god. 139 00:05:57,943 --> 00:05:59,945 - I saw Prince a while ago playing 140 00:06:00,877 --> 00:06:02,396 a show where he came on stage 141 00:06:02,431 --> 00:06:04,467 and he was playing a Jimmy Page riff 142 00:06:04,502 --> 00:06:06,400 with one hand not looking. 143 00:06:06,435 --> 00:06:07,677 I thought, that's Harlan. 144 00:06:16,893 --> 00:06:18,757 - The words, there is an attention to the words. 145 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:21,415 There is an attention to the sound of the words. 146 00:06:22,554 --> 00:06:24,763 You're reading them in your head and they sing. 147 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:30,597 - The running line of what could be sensed, 148 00:06:30,631 --> 00:06:34,946 but not heard was ominous, threatening, 149 00:06:34,980 --> 00:06:36,672 sensuously compelling in ways 150 00:06:36,706 --> 00:06:39,433 that spoke to the skin and nerve-ends. 151 00:06:39,468 --> 00:06:43,989 It was like the moment one receives the biopsy report. 152 00:06:44,024 --> 00:06:47,579 It was the feeble sound an unwatered plant makes 153 00:06:47,614 --> 00:06:50,686 in the instant before all reserve moisture dries 154 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,896 from the taproot and the green turns to brown. 155 00:06:53,930 --> 00:06:56,657 It was like the sigh of anguish from the victim of voodoo 156 00:06:56,692 --> 00:06:59,867 at the instant the final pin is jammed into the ju-ju doll 157 00:06:59,902 --> 00:07:01,248 half a continent away. 158 00:07:01,282 --> 00:07:03,043 It was like the cry of a mother 159 00:07:03,077 --> 00:07:05,666 brought to see the tiny, crushed form 160 00:07:05,701 --> 00:07:08,497 lying beneath the blanket on a busy intersection. 161 00:07:08,531 --> 00:07:12,708 It was like the kiss of a spider. 162 00:07:56,372 --> 00:07:58,685 - You can't separate the work and the man. 163 00:07:58,719 --> 00:08:01,170 I felt, ever since I first met Harlan, 164 00:08:01,204 --> 00:08:04,000 that really what Harlan is engaged on, 165 00:08:04,035 --> 00:08:07,487 the art form that Harlan is creating, 166 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:12,492 is this huge piece of performance art called Harlan Ellison. 167 00:08:18,774 --> 00:08:21,017 - How do you explain a hurricane? 168 00:08:22,294 --> 00:08:23,744 I don't know how to explain Harlan. 169 00:08:23,779 --> 00:08:25,435 He is what he is. 170 00:08:27,058 --> 00:08:29,336 - Everything about him is quirky. 171 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:31,027 Every single thing about him is quirky. 172 00:08:31,062 --> 00:08:33,754 He doesn't do anything straight ahead. 173 00:08:38,034 --> 00:08:41,762 - He's got the combination of borscht and Berkeley. 174 00:08:41,797 --> 00:08:45,766 When you realize that he, in the '60s and the '70s, 175 00:08:45,801 --> 00:08:47,941 was as radical as it gets. 176 00:08:47,975 --> 00:08:49,529 And if he was on Nixon's list, 177 00:08:49,563 --> 00:08:51,807 I'd think of it as highlighted as much as Nixon goes, 178 00:08:51,841 --> 00:08:55,535 "Tell that prick I want him and all his balls. 179 00:08:55,569 --> 00:08:57,053 "Yeah, I want the little Jew." 180 00:08:59,815 --> 00:09:03,163 - Harlan Ellison should probably be read in schools. 181 00:09:03,197 --> 00:09:05,303 They should probably make you read it, 182 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:08,133 and you should be challenged 183 00:09:08,168 --> 00:09:10,170 by material like that when you're young. 184 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,623 - Harlan doesn't have an off switch. 185 00:09:14,657 --> 00:09:16,210 He doesn't have a censor button. 186 00:09:16,245 --> 00:09:20,076 He is simply incapable of sugarcoating it for you, 187 00:09:20,111 --> 00:09:24,874 and I think this is one of the things that makes him human. 188 00:09:24,909 --> 00:09:26,427 It's one of the things that makes him lovable. 189 00:09:26,462 --> 00:09:28,360 It's one of the things that, in a way, makes him tragic. 190 00:09:28,395 --> 00:09:30,570 I think he wishes it were otherwise. 191 00:09:34,228 --> 00:09:37,197 - This is one of the hardest jobs I've ever had to do. 192 00:09:37,231 --> 00:09:38,923 Ted Sturgeon lived with me, 193 00:09:38,957 --> 00:09:40,787 and they've been publishing his stories, 194 00:09:40,821 --> 00:09:43,375 in 12 volumes so far, 195 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:44,618 and they finally got around 196 00:09:44,653 --> 00:09:47,379 to wanting me to write the introduction. 197 00:09:48,657 --> 00:09:50,831 Would you like to hear first paragraph here? 198 00:09:51,936 --> 00:09:53,662 We both smoked pipes, 199 00:09:53,696 --> 00:09:57,355 but Ted tamped his bowl full of a grape-flavored tobacco, 200 00:09:57,389 --> 00:10:01,877 so sweetly and sickly redolent, it could stun a police dog. 201 00:10:01,911 --> 00:10:03,603 I was a little over 35 years old 202 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:05,743 when Sturgeon came to live with me. 203 00:10:05,777 --> 00:10:07,745 Herewith, the ninth time I have started 204 00:10:07,779 --> 00:10:10,264 to write this recondite introduction 205 00:10:10,299 --> 00:10:14,303 to Volume XI of the North Atlantic books collected oeuvre 206 00:10:14,337 --> 00:10:17,686 of the iconic H. Hunter Theodore Waldo Sturgeon, 207 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,724 a great writer of our time, in initial caps. 208 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:23,001 In preparation for this day, 209 00:10:23,036 --> 00:10:25,210 one I have foolishly hoped would never come, 210 00:10:25,245 --> 00:10:27,419 and now it's here and now I have dawdled 211 00:10:27,454 --> 00:10:32,148 and postponed and evaded as would the helot duck the knout. 212 00:10:32,183 --> 00:10:34,012 Eight times before I sat down, 213 00:10:34,047 --> 00:10:35,945 put my two typing fingers on the keyboard 214 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:38,499 of the stout Olympia manual office machine, 215 00:10:38,534 --> 00:10:40,191 that Ted sometimes used, 216 00:10:40,225 --> 00:10:41,882 and eight times I have written, 217 00:10:41,917 --> 00:10:44,989 and eight times I said, ah, fuck it, and torn out the paper. 218 00:10:45,023 --> 00:10:46,059 Eight times. 219 00:10:46,093 --> 00:10:47,267 Now nine. 220 00:10:47,301 --> 00:10:49,545 And here's the flat of it, friends, 221 00:10:49,579 --> 00:10:51,064 and Ted would understand, 222 00:10:52,548 --> 00:10:56,656 most of what I know about Ted Sturgeon, I cannot tell you. 223 00:11:00,832 --> 00:11:02,351 - Now, here is Harlan Ellison 224 00:11:02,385 --> 00:11:05,043 and I've already outlined your expansive credits. 225 00:11:05,078 --> 00:11:06,286 - You got it wrong. 226 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:06,976 - I did? - Yeah, it's not five Hugos, 227 00:11:07,011 --> 00:11:08,564 it's six Hugos. 228 00:11:08,598 --> 00:11:09,979 - I'm sorry. - And you missed 229 00:11:10,014 --> 00:11:12,706 the Mystery Writers of America Edgar Allen Poe Award 230 00:11:12,741 --> 00:11:15,329 and the fact that I'm a credit to my race. 231 00:11:15,364 --> 00:11:16,986 - Yes, you are human. 232 00:11:17,021 --> 00:11:18,332 But I didn't say that when you went 233 00:11:18,367 --> 00:11:19,748 to Ohio State University, 234 00:11:19,782 --> 00:11:21,266 you were there for a year and a half 235 00:11:21,301 --> 00:11:23,544 and some writing professor, or somebody of that sort, said, 236 00:11:23,579 --> 00:11:24,787 "You don't have any talent. 237 00:11:24,822 --> 00:11:26,651 "Go and earn a living in a respectable way." 238 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:28,170 You showed him, didn't you? 239 00:11:28,204 --> 00:11:31,725 - Yeah, and I told him to go perform hideous obscenities 240 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,865 upon himself, and then left. 241 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:38,905 And then I preceded to go to New York, to this very city, 242 00:11:40,389 --> 00:11:42,425 and sold a hundred stories the first year full-time writing. 243 00:11:44,634 --> 00:11:45,981 Up until recently, I've sent him a copy 244 00:11:46,015 --> 00:11:48,121 of every single thing I've ever had published. 245 00:11:48,155 --> 00:11:49,329 When I got listed in Who's Who, 246 00:11:49,363 --> 00:11:50,848 I had a perma plaque, sent that to him. 247 00:11:50,882 --> 00:11:52,815 Photos of the awards-- - Are you a vengeful guy? 248 00:11:52,850 --> 00:11:53,747 - Oh, yeah. - Did you take delight 249 00:11:53,782 --> 00:11:55,162 in sending that man that? 250 00:11:55,197 --> 00:11:56,612 - Oh, yeah, I think revenge is a very terrific, 251 00:11:56,646 --> 00:11:57,889 good thing for everybody. 252 00:11:58,787 --> 00:12:00,478 - One day I got home 253 00:12:00,512 --> 00:12:03,895 and the light was flashing 254 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:05,621 on my telephone answering machine, 255 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:10,177 and I pressed the button and it's Harlan, 256 00:12:10,212 --> 00:12:12,732 and the voice says, "Gaiman, this is Ellison. 257 00:12:13,629 --> 00:12:14,492 "You are dead. 258 00:12:14,526 --> 00:12:15,320 "You are dead meat. 259 00:12:15,355 --> 00:12:16,563 "I am going to kill you. 260 00:12:16,597 --> 00:12:17,771 "I am gonna come to your house, 261 00:12:17,806 --> 00:12:20,015 "I'm gonna rip out your trachea. 262 00:12:20,049 --> 00:12:22,811 "I am going to nuke your house 263 00:12:22,845 --> 00:12:26,573 "and then I'm gonna come and I'm gonna sow salt on the place 264 00:12:26,607 --> 00:12:29,127 "where the radioactive ruins of your house have been. 265 00:12:29,162 --> 00:12:30,301 "You are dead. 266 00:12:30,335 --> 00:12:31,440 "You are so dead. 267 00:12:31,474 --> 00:12:32,303 "Call me." 268 00:12:33,511 --> 00:12:34,339 Click. 269 00:12:35,616 --> 00:12:38,274 - Okay, let me be very candid with you. 270 00:12:38,309 --> 00:12:39,344 - Yes, you can. 271 00:12:42,037 --> 00:12:44,211 - Aim that fucker elsewhere. 272 00:12:44,246 --> 00:12:49,251 - I worry more about Harlan busting a valve 273 00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:53,427 in his violent reaction to something bad or stupid 274 00:12:53,462 --> 00:12:54,808 that somebody else did 275 00:12:54,843 --> 00:12:56,430 than I worry about the other person 276 00:12:56,465 --> 00:12:57,604 ending up in the hospital. 277 00:12:59,986 --> 00:13:01,159 - Get off the fucking phone 278 00:13:01,194 --> 00:13:03,437 when your going through an intersection! 279 00:13:03,472 --> 00:13:06,406 You'll run people down, you fucking pinhead! 280 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,959 - He doesn't go gently into that good night, 281 00:13:07,994 --> 00:13:09,443 as he will tell you, you know. 282 00:13:09,478 --> 00:13:10,824 - Yeah, it's a horn! 283 00:13:11,652 --> 00:13:13,309 You douche bag! 284 00:13:13,344 --> 00:13:17,520 - He's done things that I think he would stand by 100%. 285 00:13:17,555 --> 00:13:19,212 I'm sure he's done things that he would go, 286 00:13:19,246 --> 00:13:22,146 "Oh, my god, what the hell was I thinking?" 287 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:23,078 - Here we go. 288 00:13:23,112 --> 00:13:23,906 Arriba! 289 00:13:23,941 --> 00:13:25,321 Andale! 290 00:13:25,356 --> 00:13:27,082 Yippa, yippa! 291 00:13:27,116 --> 00:13:30,948 - Harlan has the unique position of being 292 00:13:33,157 --> 00:13:35,884 sort of the St. Paul of Christianity 293 00:13:35,918 --> 00:13:39,266 he does not necessarily believe in. 294 00:13:39,301 --> 00:13:41,372 - The one question I always get is, 295 00:13:41,406 --> 00:13:44,306 "Where do you get your ideas?" 296 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:47,102 Now, Aristotle couldn't answer that question. 297 00:13:47,136 --> 00:13:48,931 Aeschylus couldn't answer that question. 298 00:13:48,966 --> 00:13:52,038 But when they ask me that, I say, Schenectady. 299 00:13:52,072 --> 00:13:53,246 And they look at me and they go, "What?" 300 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,385 I say, yeah, Schenectady. 301 00:13:54,419 --> 00:13:57,008 There's an idea service in Schenectady. 302 00:13:57,043 --> 00:14:00,218 I send them 25 bucks a week and every week, like clockwork, 303 00:14:00,253 --> 00:14:02,738 they send me a fresh six-pack of ideas. 304 00:14:02,772 --> 00:14:04,844 And believe me, believe me, 305 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:06,500 on the grave of my mother and father, 306 00:14:06,535 --> 00:14:08,019 who were terrific people, 307 00:14:08,054 --> 00:14:10,090 there's always some schmuck who comes up to me 308 00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:12,541 afterwards and says, "Could I have the address?" 309 00:14:14,301 --> 00:14:16,027 - Got a call yesterday 310 00:14:16,062 --> 00:14:19,203 from a little film company down here in the valley. 311 00:14:19,237 --> 00:14:24,208 And they're doing the packaging for MGM on, 312 00:14:24,242 --> 00:14:27,107 not MGM, for Warner Bros. on Babylon 5, which I worked on. 313 00:14:27,142 --> 00:14:31,663 And I did a very long, very interesting on-camera interview 314 00:14:31,698 --> 00:14:32,941 about the making of Babylon 5, 315 00:14:32,975 --> 00:14:35,046 early on when Joe Straczynski hired me, 316 00:14:35,081 --> 00:14:36,772 and they wanna use it. 317 00:14:36,806 --> 00:14:37,946 A young woman calls me and she says, 318 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:40,017 "We'd like to use it on the DVD. 319 00:14:40,051 --> 00:14:41,294 "Can that be arranged?" 320 00:14:41,328 --> 00:14:42,088 I said, absolutely, all you gotta do is pay me, 321 00:14:42,122 --> 00:14:43,330 and she said, "What?" 322 00:14:43,365 --> 00:14:44,573 I said, you gotta pay me. 323 00:14:44,607 --> 00:14:46,230 She said, "Well, everybody else 324 00:14:46,264 --> 00:14:48,128 "is just doing it for nothing." 325 00:14:48,163 --> 00:14:50,993 I said, everybody else may be an asshole, but I'm not. 326 00:14:51,028 --> 00:14:53,133 I said, by what right would you call me 327 00:14:53,168 --> 00:14:54,376 and ask me to work for nothing? 328 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:55,549 Do you get a paycheck? 329 00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:56,792 "Well, yes." 330 00:14:56,826 --> 00:14:58,207 I says, does your boss get a paycheck? 331 00:14:58,242 --> 00:15:00,037 Do you pay the Telecine guy? 332 00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:01,417 Do you pay the cameraman? 333 00:15:01,452 --> 00:15:02,522 Do you pay the cutters? 334 00:15:02,556 --> 00:15:04,455 Do you pay the teamsters 335 00:15:04,489 --> 00:15:06,595 when they schlep your stuff on the trucks? 336 00:15:08,321 --> 00:15:11,048 Would you go to a gas station and ask to give you free gas? 337 00:15:11,082 --> 00:15:12,463 Would you go to the doctor and have him take out 338 00:15:12,497 --> 00:15:13,947 your spleen for nothing? 339 00:15:13,982 --> 00:15:16,329 How dare you call me, want me to work for nothing. 340 00:15:16,363 --> 00:15:17,744 "Well, it would be good publicity." 341 00:15:17,778 --> 00:15:20,781 I said, lady, tell that to someone a little older than you 342 00:15:20,816 --> 00:15:22,576 who has just fallen off the turnip truck. 343 00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:25,200 There is no publicity value in my essay, 344 00:15:25,234 --> 00:15:27,409 my interview being on your DVD. 345 00:15:27,443 --> 00:15:29,307 If you sell 2,000 of them, it'll be great. 346 00:15:29,342 --> 00:15:30,826 And what are people gonna say? 347 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:32,483 "Ooh, I really like the way that guy gave that interview. 348 00:15:32,517 --> 00:15:33,967 "I wonder if he's ever written a book. 349 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:36,314 "Let me go and buy the," there's no publicity value. 350 00:15:36,349 --> 00:15:39,421 The only value for me is if you put money in my hand. 351 00:15:39,455 --> 00:15:42,562 Cross my palm with silver, you can use my essay. 352 00:15:42,596 --> 00:15:44,495 You can use my interview. 353 00:15:44,529 --> 00:15:46,117 And she says, "Well, all right, thank you," 354 00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:47,049 and she hangs up. 355 00:15:47,084 --> 00:15:48,292 I'll never hear from them. 356 00:15:48,326 --> 00:15:49,810 They want everything for nothing. 357 00:15:49,845 --> 00:15:52,089 They wouldn't go for five seconds without being paid, 358 00:15:52,123 --> 00:15:55,264 and they'll bitch about how much they're paid and want more. 359 00:15:55,299 --> 00:15:58,026 I should do a freebie for Warner Bros.? 360 00:15:58,060 --> 00:16:00,200 What is Warner Bros., out with an eye patch 361 00:16:00,235 --> 00:16:01,684 and a tin cup on the street? 362 00:16:01,719 --> 00:16:03,065 Fuck no! 363 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,412 They always want the writer to work for nothing. 364 00:16:05,447 --> 00:16:08,001 And the problem is that there's so goddamn many writers 365 00:16:08,036 --> 00:16:10,728 who have no idea that they're supposed to be paid 366 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:13,248 every time they do something, they do it for nothing. 367 00:16:13,282 --> 00:16:15,008 "Guh, guh, they're gonna look at me. 368 00:16:15,043 --> 00:16:15,905 "I'm gonna be noticed." 369 00:16:18,632 --> 00:16:23,016 You tell me, are they any less the media whore than I? 370 00:16:23,051 --> 00:16:24,224 I think not. 371 00:16:24,259 --> 00:16:25,950 Nobody's offered to buy their soul. 372 00:16:27,503 --> 00:16:30,472 I sell my soul, but at the highest rates, the highest rates. 373 00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:32,922 I don't take a piss without getting paid for it. 374 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,373 I get so angry about this 375 00:16:35,408 --> 00:16:37,203 because you're undercut by all the amateurs. 376 00:16:37,237 --> 00:16:39,274 It's the amateurs who make it tough for the professionals 377 00:16:39,308 --> 00:16:40,792 'cause when you act professional, 378 00:16:40,827 --> 00:16:42,760 these people are so used to getting it for nothing 379 00:16:42,794 --> 00:16:45,004 and for mooching and for being able 380 00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:46,522 to pass off this bullshit. 381 00:16:46,557 --> 00:16:48,731 They don't even send you a copy of the DVD! 382 00:16:50,112 --> 00:16:51,286 You have to call them and say, where's the DVD? 383 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,219 "Well, it's been out for six months. 384 00:16:53,253 --> 00:16:54,772 "You could go to the store and buy it." 385 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:55,842 You could go to the store and buy it, motherfucker. 386 00:16:55,876 --> 00:16:56,774 You go to the store and buy it. 387 00:16:56,808 --> 00:16:58,189 You send me the goddamn DVD now 388 00:16:58,224 --> 00:16:59,949 or I'm gonna come down to your house 389 00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:01,054 and I'm gonna burn it to the ground. 390 00:17:01,089 --> 00:17:02,297 How about that? 391 00:17:02,331 --> 00:17:03,574 "Well, you don't have to get mean about it." 392 00:17:03,608 --> 00:17:04,851 Yeah, I do have to get mean about it. 393 00:17:04,885 --> 00:17:06,473 Six months since the damn thing came out. 394 00:17:11,409 --> 00:17:15,068 People say to me, even Susan says to me, 395 00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:17,036 "My God, does everything make you angry?" 396 00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:18,830 I say, yeah, everything makes me angry. 397 00:17:18,865 --> 00:17:21,695 And they say, "Well, you should be a little mellow. 398 00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:22,524 "Get a little mellow." 399 00:17:22,558 --> 00:17:23,525 And I say, oh, really? 400 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:24,698 Gee, I had never thought of that. 401 00:17:24,733 --> 00:17:26,045 "Get a little mellow," woo. 402 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,115 What an epiphany. 403 00:17:27,149 --> 00:17:28,806 Like I enjoy this?! 404 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,257 You think I enjoy getting up angry every morning? 405 00:17:31,291 --> 00:17:32,948 Going to bed angry every night? 406 00:17:32,982 --> 00:17:34,846 To go through the day with the veins standing out, 407 00:17:34,881 --> 00:17:36,952 the bolts unscrewing in my neck?! 408 00:17:36,986 --> 00:17:38,540 Jesus Christ, I would give anything 409 00:17:38,574 --> 00:17:41,715 to be able to be as mellow and cool as most people. 410 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:45,064 I'd be one of the slaves, the walking dead, 411 00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,272 but it would be a relief. 412 00:17:46,306 --> 00:17:48,619 Give me six months as a walking dead man, 413 00:17:48,653 --> 00:17:50,655 I'll never say anything angry again. 414 00:18:00,424 --> 00:18:04,255 - Harlan, Harlan, Harlan, Harlan, 415 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:06,878 Harlan, Harlan, Harlan, Harlan. 416 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,711 - Jesus, I can't be at two places! 417 00:18:11,745 --> 00:18:12,953 There's a fucking line of people 418 00:18:12,988 --> 00:18:14,679 who want their goddamn book signed 419 00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:17,613 and they pout if you don't sign them! 420 00:18:17,648 --> 00:18:19,408 I had a guy, I swear to you, 421 00:18:19,443 --> 00:18:22,170 I had a guy follow me into a bathroom 422 00:18:22,204 --> 00:18:25,138 to either ask me some stupid question or to 423 00:18:25,173 --> 00:18:27,140 and I turned around, pissed on his shoe. 424 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:29,453 I said, oh, yes, may I answer that? 425 00:18:29,487 --> 00:18:31,731 And I just gave him a flash. 426 00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:35,976 Look, part of the job is signing. 427 00:18:36,011 --> 00:18:40,119 It's an odious and thankless job 428 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:41,810 because, first of all, 429 00:18:41,844 --> 00:18:46,021 why in the world would anyone want an autograph in a book? 430 00:18:47,643 --> 00:18:49,680 I know that signing the books 431 00:18:49,714 --> 00:18:52,096 is for people who like, they love my stuff. 432 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,753 Fine. I'm happy. 433 00:18:53,787 --> 00:18:55,064 That's not the point. 434 00:18:55,099 --> 00:18:57,377 They assume a manner 435 00:18:57,412 --> 00:19:00,242 that is like talking to the cast 436 00:19:00,277 --> 00:19:02,451 of Night of the Living Dead. 437 00:19:02,486 --> 00:19:04,695 They don't hear a word you say, 438 00:19:04,729 --> 00:19:07,732 and when you say something jocular to them, 439 00:19:07,767 --> 00:19:11,150 they treat you as if you're the Delphic goddamn Oracle. 440 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:13,704 I am not, I'm a little Jew from Ohio. 441 00:19:13,738 --> 00:19:14,739 I don't know any answers. 442 00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:15,947 I fake it. 443 00:19:17,604 --> 00:19:18,812 And I sit there and I do it. 444 00:19:18,847 --> 00:19:20,676 And I sit for an hour and I sit two hours 445 00:19:20,711 --> 00:19:22,299 and I sit for three hours. 446 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,508 And I will do it for everybody, I will sign their books, 447 00:19:24,542 --> 00:19:28,167 but then when it's three hours, and they start pouting. 448 00:19:29,409 --> 00:19:31,549 Please, Lord, kill me now. 449 00:19:31,584 --> 00:19:33,482 I say, folks, I'm a human being too. 450 00:19:33,517 --> 00:19:35,657 I have to go have some dinner. 451 00:19:35,691 --> 00:19:36,589 Dinner, folks. 452 00:19:36,623 --> 00:19:37,900 Or I have to take a dump. 453 00:19:37,935 --> 00:19:39,661 Folks, please. 454 00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:40,938 And they all go-- 455 00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,215 - "Would you sign my dump?" 456 00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:44,217 - Yeah, "sign my dump." 457 00:19:44,252 --> 00:19:47,047 Y'all talk among yourselves for a moment here. 458 00:19:47,082 --> 00:19:49,636 I'm gonna go sign the asshole, uh, the fellow's book. 459 00:19:49,671 --> 00:19:52,950 - I think his love-hate relationship with fandom 460 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:56,367 has to do with a feeling that a lot of these people 461 00:19:56,402 --> 00:20:00,440 who he identifies with in a very, very real way, 462 00:20:00,475 --> 00:20:02,235 don't fulfill their potential. 463 00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:04,410 - Stop cringing, I won't hit you. 464 00:20:04,444 --> 00:20:05,928 Could you bend forward please? 465 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:08,966 - And they use fandom 466 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,658 and they use the institutions that are created by fandom 467 00:20:11,693 --> 00:20:13,867 to kind of hide out from the real world, 468 00:20:13,902 --> 00:20:16,318 where Harlan Ellison has always taken pains 469 00:20:16,353 --> 00:20:18,251 to engage the real world. 470 00:20:18,286 --> 00:20:19,390 - Okay, are we happy? 471 00:20:19,425 --> 00:20:21,116 - Yes, we are. - We're square, okay. 472 00:20:24,706 --> 00:20:28,192 The deranged traditions of science-fiction fandom 473 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:30,263 are overwhelmingly attractive, 474 00:20:30,298 --> 00:20:32,541 particularly to those few boys and girls 475 00:20:32,576 --> 00:20:35,199 who are outcasts of their high school classes 476 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:39,272 because of wonky thought processes, a flair for the bizarre, 477 00:20:39,307 --> 00:20:41,136 and physical appearance that denies them 478 00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:43,380 the treasures of sorority membership 479 00:20:43,414 --> 00:20:45,554 or a position on the football team. 480 00:20:45,589 --> 00:20:49,317 For the pimply, the short, the weird, and intelligent, 481 00:20:49,351 --> 00:20:51,457 for those to whom sex is frightening 482 00:20:51,491 --> 00:20:54,632 and to whom come odd dreams in the middle of study hall, 483 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:59,637 the camaraderie of fandom is a gleaming, beckoning Erewhon; 484 00:21:00,845 --> 00:21:03,192 an extended family of other wimps, 485 00:21:03,227 --> 00:21:06,230 twinks, flakes, and oddballs. 486 00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:16,654 - Over the 25 years that I have represented him, 487 00:21:16,689 --> 00:21:21,694 I've received phone calls that sounded something like this. 488 00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:22,626 It's Harlan. 489 00:21:23,523 --> 00:21:24,869 I realize it's Yom Kippur, 490 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:31,082 but goddammit, I haven't received my two copies 491 00:21:31,117 --> 00:21:33,706 of the fourth printing of the Mongolian edition 492 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,155 of Deathbird Stories! 493 00:21:36,433 --> 00:21:39,401 Do you know a kick-ass lawyer in Ulaanbaatar? 494 00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:46,995 - Whenever you hear one of George Gershwin's songs, 495 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:49,342 you know within three notes 496 00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:51,655 that you are listening to Gershwin. 497 00:21:51,689 --> 00:21:55,486 It sounds like nobody else, it can't be imitated, 498 00:21:56,901 --> 00:22:00,146 and that is what Harlan Ellison's stories are like. 499 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:03,183 - What's important is not the personality. 500 00:22:03,218 --> 00:22:05,047 What is important is the work. 501 00:22:06,221 --> 00:22:09,086 Harlan is getting the Grand Mastership, 502 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,400 not for the personality, not for the journalism, 503 00:22:12,434 --> 00:22:16,473 not even for editing work that changed the face of SF. 504 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,717 He's getting it for the stories 505 00:22:19,752 --> 00:22:21,857 and the stories will last 506 00:22:21,892 --> 00:22:25,482 and the stories will be read a long time from now, 507 00:22:25,516 --> 00:22:29,278 and they're what make Harlan Ellison our new Grand Master. 508 00:22:29,313 --> 00:22:30,245 Thank you. 509 00:22:59,585 --> 00:23:04,590 - And so it was, strangely, strangely, 510 00:23:06,108 --> 00:23:08,421 that I found myself standing in the backyard of the house 511 00:23:08,456 --> 00:23:11,804 I had lived in when I was seven years old. 512 00:23:11,838 --> 00:23:13,737 At 13 minutes till midnight 513 00:23:13,771 --> 00:23:17,119 on no special magical winter's night, 514 00:23:17,154 --> 00:23:18,535 in a town that had held me 515 00:23:18,569 --> 00:23:22,262 only till I was physically able to run away. 516 00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:25,369 In Ohio, in winter, 517 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:30,409 near midnight, certain I could go back. 518 00:23:31,548 --> 00:23:33,273 At 42, I had come to that point in my life 519 00:23:33,308 --> 00:23:36,484 toward which I'd struggled since I'd been a child: 520 00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:40,833 place of security, importance, recognition. 521 00:23:40,867 --> 00:23:43,801 The only one from this town who had made it. 522 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:46,666 The ones who had had the most promise in school 523 00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:50,152 were now milkmen, used car salesmen, 524 00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:53,259 married to fat, stupid dead women 525 00:23:53,293 --> 00:23:55,882 who had, themselves, been girls 526 00:23:55,917 --> 00:23:58,333 of exceeding promise in high school. 527 00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,958 They had been trapped in this little Ohio town, 528 00:24:02,993 --> 00:24:04,339 never to break free. 529 00:24:04,373 --> 00:24:05,961 To die there, unknown. 530 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,033 I, I had broken free, 531 00:24:09,068 --> 00:24:12,140 had done all the wonderful things I'd said I would do. 532 00:24:14,107 --> 00:24:15,005 So... 533 00:24:16,662 --> 00:24:18,457 Why should it all depress me now? 534 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,462 When I was a kid, I was beaten up every day. 535 00:24:25,015 --> 00:24:27,638 Probably I was beaten up because I had a big mouth. 536 00:24:27,673 --> 00:24:29,364 I don't deny it. 537 00:24:29,398 --> 00:24:30,848 But you still don't deserve to have the crap 538 00:24:30,883 --> 00:24:33,368 beaten out of you every day just because you're a smart ass. 539 00:24:33,402 --> 00:24:35,577 But in those days, I was a little kid. 540 00:24:35,612 --> 00:24:36,889 God, I think I'd a had a been 541 00:24:36,923 --> 00:24:39,719 soaking drench wet to weigh 50 pounds. 542 00:24:39,754 --> 00:24:43,516 And it was a very antisemitic town. 543 00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:45,449 Painesville was about 30 miles northeast of Cleveland. 544 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:47,969 And they would wait for me on the schoolyard. 545 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:49,488 They would pound me every day. 546 00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:51,455 And when I was the same size, I held my own okay. 547 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,284 But they kept growing, I kept staying small, 548 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,528 and groups of them would beat the crap out of me. 549 00:24:55,563 --> 00:24:59,843 And when you've been made an outsider, 550 00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:04,813 you are always angry. 551 00:25:04,848 --> 00:25:06,435 You respond to it in a lot of different ways. 552 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:08,196 A lot of people get surly. 553 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:09,404 A lot of people get mean. 554 00:25:09,438 --> 00:25:10,785 Some people turn into serial killers. 555 00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:15,686 I got so smart that I could just kill them 556 00:25:16,722 --> 00:25:18,517 with logic or their own mouths. 557 00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:22,382 But there's a photograph we've got upstairs here 558 00:25:22,417 --> 00:25:24,523 of my third grade class. 559 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:26,628 And I'm the shortest kid in the class. 560 00:25:26,663 --> 00:25:29,424 I'm shorter than the smallest girl. 561 00:25:29,458 --> 00:25:32,358 And everybody else is standing like a normal kid. 562 00:25:32,392 --> 00:25:37,087 I'm standing there at the far end on the left, like this, 563 00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:39,745 with my hands on my hips and I'm leaning forward. 564 00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:43,058 And my lips are skinned back like some feral creature 565 00:25:43,093 --> 00:25:45,267 and I'm wearing my Captain Midnight Secret Decoder badge 566 00:25:45,302 --> 00:25:47,269 and there's a Band-Aid on my forehead. 567 00:25:47,304 --> 00:25:49,617 And way down at the other end is Bill Brown. 568 00:25:49,651 --> 00:25:52,309 And Bill Brown's got an even bigger bandage on his face 569 00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:53,759 'cause I had been in a fistfight with him 570 00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:54,794 earlier in the day. 571 00:25:57,935 --> 00:26:01,352 This piece of film was found. 572 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,045 My mother had it. 573 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,289 When my mother died, she gave it to her granddaughter, 574 00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,637 to my niece Lisa, and Lisa sent it to me. 575 00:26:09,671 --> 00:26:13,675 These two pictures, that come and go very quickly, 576 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:17,334 were our house at 89 Harmon Drive in Painsville, Ohio. 577 00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:20,475 That's where I spent my earliest days. 578 00:26:20,509 --> 00:26:23,167 And that's me on the corner, standing on the corner. 579 00:26:26,723 --> 00:26:28,828 This is my mom and me. 580 00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:31,451 My mom and me at Niagara Falls. 581 00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:34,731 I look to be about 10 years old. 582 00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:38,666 Boy, what a pencil neck geek I was. 583 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:40,426 Yes, thank you, you little fucker. 584 00:26:41,323 --> 00:26:42,601 And my mom and I are walking. 585 00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:44,741 My dad's gotta be taking the pictures. 586 00:26:44,775 --> 00:26:47,467 My mom was just a wonderful woman, put up with me. 587 00:26:47,502 --> 00:26:49,021 That's my dad. 588 00:26:49,055 --> 00:26:51,679 He looked just like Brian Donlevy, the movie actor. 589 00:26:51,713 --> 00:26:53,163 Look at that. 590 00:26:53,197 --> 00:26:55,890 Look at that, was he a handsome guy? 591 00:26:55,924 --> 00:26:57,098 Boy, do I miss him. 592 00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:00,860 Phony cigar in my mouth. 593 00:27:00,895 --> 00:27:02,103 My dad smoked cigars. 594 00:27:02,137 --> 00:27:03,622 This is me trying to be a bigshot. 595 00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:06,625 This is me and my mom. 596 00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:09,904 Look, you can actually see, my mom was about five feet one, 597 00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:11,802 and you can see how small I was. 598 00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:14,874 Look, it's my dad, has his hand on me. 599 00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:17,221 My father has his hand on my shoulder. 600 00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:20,190 Ah, he was a nifty guy. 601 00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:23,158 This is the only shot that I have of my dad. 602 00:27:23,193 --> 00:27:24,815 The only pictures at all. 603 00:28:27,602 --> 00:28:30,570 Jack Wheeldon, Teddy Beckwith, 604 00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:36,335 they were the bullies to me. 605 00:28:36,369 --> 00:28:37,716 I have no idea what they were like 606 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:38,889 in the rest of their lives. 607 00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:40,132 They may have been terrific kids. 608 00:28:43,169 --> 00:28:46,310 But they used to like to beat me up regularly. 609 00:28:46,345 --> 00:28:49,279 And one time, they caught me on the playground... 610 00:28:54,284 --> 00:28:56,182 My mind likes to say, in the dead of winter 611 00:28:56,217 --> 00:29:00,531 and a great deal of snow, but I think it was in the fall. 612 00:29:00,566 --> 00:29:02,085 It was cold, but it wasn't that cold. 613 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,018 And they beat the shit out of me. 614 00:29:04,052 --> 00:29:06,192 And I was obviously not dead. 615 00:29:06,227 --> 00:29:07,642 I was obviously not seriously injured, 616 00:29:07,676 --> 00:29:09,782 but I was bloody and I was torn apart. 617 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:12,785 And my mother took me upstairs to wash me off, 618 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:14,028 get me squared away, 619 00:29:15,443 --> 00:29:17,997 and I tried to explain to her what had happened. 620 00:29:18,032 --> 00:29:19,240 And when you're that age, 621 00:29:19,274 --> 00:29:22,450 you cannot explain to an adult the irrational. 622 00:29:22,484 --> 00:29:26,972 Everything has to have a progression, an interior logic, 623 00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,182 and there is no interior logic 624 00:29:30,216 --> 00:29:32,184 to bullies picking on someone. 625 00:29:32,218 --> 00:29:33,806 Why you? 626 00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:35,463 Well, why, in fact, not me? 627 00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:40,019 And my mother said, 628 00:29:40,054 --> 00:29:42,850 and I remember this as if it were yesterday, 629 00:29:42,884 --> 00:29:44,748 my mother with a washcloth in her hand 630 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,163 and me standing at the sink, 631 00:29:47,647 --> 00:29:50,167 she said, "You must've said something to get them angry." 632 00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:57,761 It was an icicle just jammed into my chest, 633 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,176 that my own mother... 634 00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,353 And with cause. 635 00:30:03,387 --> 00:30:04,941 It was not as if I was the greatest kid in the world. 636 00:30:04,975 --> 00:30:06,356 I was a troublemaker. 637 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:08,392 I was a brat. 638 00:30:08,427 --> 00:30:11,223 I was a big mouth, pain in the ass. 639 00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:16,021 But that my own mother would not understand... 640 00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:20,957 At that moment, I had what now, at age 72, 641 00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:24,477 I understand was an enormous epiphany, which is... 642 00:30:26,686 --> 00:30:28,654 I really cannot support it. 643 00:30:28,688 --> 00:30:31,484 I cannot bear it when people laugh at me. 644 00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:37,421 - My first vivid memory of Harlan 645 00:30:37,456 --> 00:30:39,803 is we were both members of the, 646 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,391 what was then called, the Curtain Pullers, 647 00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:44,083 the children's theater of the Cleveland Playhouse. 648 00:30:44,118 --> 00:30:47,362 And he was playing a penguin on roller skates. 649 00:30:49,606 --> 00:30:53,196 Harlan went through some traumas in his very early life, 650 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:55,094 around the age of 12 when I first him. 651 00:30:56,337 --> 00:30:58,201 And I think he's had a defense mechanism 652 00:30:58,235 --> 00:31:00,410 about that ever since. 653 00:31:00,444 --> 00:31:04,552 If there's anything in the world that upsets him, 654 00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:05,967 it's people putting him down. 655 00:31:07,106 --> 00:31:08,936 And I think he fights that constantly. 656 00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:10,799 I think he goes overboard with it. 657 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,629 - It was all... 658 00:31:13,906 --> 00:31:15,874 God, there doesn't... 659 00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:18,428 Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! 660 00:31:18,462 --> 00:31:23,467 You don't have to have a deep rosebud every time. 661 00:31:24,054 --> 00:31:24,986 I always wrote. 662 00:31:26,401 --> 00:31:29,922 I taught myself to read when I was a year or two old. 663 00:31:29,957 --> 00:31:31,130 I read milk cartons. 664 00:31:31,165 --> 00:31:33,443 I read the back of Kellogg's Pep boxes. 665 00:31:33,477 --> 00:31:35,341 I read anything that fell into my hands. 666 00:31:35,376 --> 00:31:38,758 There were bookcases in the house, not many, but a couple, 667 00:31:38,793 --> 00:31:41,969 and I remember reading W. Somerset Maugham's 668 00:31:42,003 --> 00:31:45,869 Ashenden: Or the British Agent when I was very young. 669 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,044 I had a library card before I was 10. 670 00:31:49,217 --> 00:31:51,944 I always knew that I mattered. 671 00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:54,947 When I was a little kid, I remember the moment, absolutely. 672 00:31:54,982 --> 00:31:57,708 I was standing on Harmon Drive, front of our house, 673 00:31:57,743 --> 00:32:00,056 89 Harmon Drive and I looked around 674 00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:02,230 and I said, the world is mine. 675 00:32:02,265 --> 00:32:04,336 I have and do anything I wanna do, 676 00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:06,441 I had that thought, because I was bright. 677 00:32:06,476 --> 00:32:07,304 I was very, very smart. 678 00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:08,961 I got straight A's. 679 00:32:08,996 --> 00:32:11,205 And then I ran away again and I hitchhiked all the way 680 00:32:11,239 --> 00:32:14,139 to Canada to Matawatchan, Ontario, 681 00:32:14,173 --> 00:32:15,588 and I worked in a lumber camp. 682 00:32:15,623 --> 00:32:17,936 Well, I came back from that, did some more school, 683 00:32:19,109 --> 00:32:20,973 hitchhiked down again, went down to Galveston, 684 00:32:21,008 --> 00:32:22,906 worked on tuna boats, back and forth, 685 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:23,838 back and forth, back and forth. 686 00:32:23,872 --> 00:32:27,083 By the time I was 15, 14, 15, 687 00:32:27,117 --> 00:32:29,499 I was driving a dynamite truck in Shelby, North Carolina, 688 00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:31,363 on a construction job up in the mountains. 689 00:32:31,397 --> 00:32:34,090 All of these things have shown up in my stories. 690 00:32:34,124 --> 00:32:35,643 It all got filed away. 691 00:32:35,677 --> 00:32:39,302 And all that time if I wasn't writing, I was thinking about, 692 00:32:39,336 --> 00:32:40,682 gee, I could write this down like this. 693 00:32:40,717 --> 00:32:42,201 I knew how to tell stories. 694 00:32:42,236 --> 00:32:43,927 It was one of the ways I got fed. 695 00:32:45,308 --> 00:32:48,311 I picked up the writer's true education on the road. 696 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,486 - I could only tell you from personal experience 697 00:32:51,521 --> 00:32:53,419 that several years ago, 698 00:32:53,454 --> 00:32:55,870 when I was making up my will, and my attorney said, 699 00:32:55,904 --> 00:32:57,354 "Do you wanna be buried in Cleveland?" 700 00:32:57,389 --> 00:32:59,460 And I said, no, I've already done that. 701 00:33:00,702 --> 00:33:02,981 And I think Harlan feels the same way. 702 00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:05,604 - When I got thrown outta college, 703 00:33:05,638 --> 00:33:07,157 I went to New York and I lived there for a while. 704 00:33:07,192 --> 00:33:09,401 That's when I got started writing. 705 00:33:09,435 --> 00:33:11,023 Or selling, I've been writing all of my life, 706 00:33:11,058 --> 00:33:12,783 but that's when I started selling. 707 00:33:12,818 --> 00:33:15,579 And eking out an existence 708 00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,687 in a 15-dollar a week room 709 00:33:19,721 --> 00:33:22,828 and that's when you got paid a penny a word for a story. 710 00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:24,071 - No kidding. 711 00:33:24,105 --> 00:33:25,624 - Oh, yeah, and I could write a 3000-word story 712 00:33:25,658 --> 00:33:27,626 in a night, in an evening. 713 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:30,077 And a take it in the next day to, 714 00:33:30,111 --> 00:33:32,044 say Ziff Davis's Publishing Company, 715 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,252 and they would give you a chit, 716 00:33:33,287 --> 00:33:34,219 and you'd go down to the paymaster 717 00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:35,461 and he'd give me 30 bucks, 718 00:33:35,496 --> 00:33:37,015 and that was my food for the week. 719 00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:38,292 That's how I lived. 720 00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,976 Here I am maybe 86 pounds dripping wet 721 00:34:08,011 --> 00:34:10,220 and carrying an anvil. 722 00:34:10,255 --> 00:34:15,053 And I'm in with the Rangers in a barracks full of guys, 723 00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:17,710 who were offered the opportunity of either going in the army 724 00:34:17,745 --> 00:34:19,781 or being thrown in prison for the rest of their lives. 725 00:34:19,816 --> 00:34:22,750 The only reason they didn't kill me was, 726 00:34:22,784 --> 00:34:27,134 we'd come back from a 20-mile march, full pack, 727 00:34:27,168 --> 00:34:28,790 in those days we carried an M1. 728 00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:31,931 None of this little pussy AK-47 crap made of plastic. 729 00:34:31,966 --> 00:34:34,762 We had an M1 which weighed 900 pounds. 730 00:34:34,796 --> 00:34:36,522 And the full pack. 731 00:34:36,557 --> 00:34:38,076 And I never fell out. 732 00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:40,492 I was a mean little dog. 733 00:34:40,526 --> 00:34:42,425 I just wouldn't go down. 734 00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:44,772 And we'd come back and everybody would just fall 735 00:34:44,806 --> 00:34:47,257 face forward on their bunk with the pack still on. 736 00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:50,709 I would take out, from under my mattress, 737 00:34:50,743 --> 00:34:52,607 a board that I had secreted there 738 00:34:52,642 --> 00:34:57,025 and take my typewriter out of the wall locker 739 00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:59,407 and I would go into the head, into the toilet, 740 00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:01,685 and take the furthest toilet in the line 741 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,893 so nobody would hear me. 742 00:35:02,928 --> 00:35:03,929 And I'd put the board across my lap 743 00:35:03,963 --> 00:35:05,689 and I would work on my novel. 744 00:35:05,724 --> 00:35:07,277 After everybody was exhausted and dead, 745 00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,314 and I was still, and that's how I did my book. 746 00:35:09,348 --> 00:35:11,626 Well, they called me the author. 747 00:35:11,661 --> 00:35:13,904 "Hey, author, hey, author." 748 00:35:13,939 --> 00:35:16,044 And I've always been 749 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,807 pretty good at figuring out systems 750 00:35:19,841 --> 00:35:22,154 and how they work and finding ways around them. 751 00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:26,227 So now here's my here's the parameters of my problem. 752 00:35:26,262 --> 00:35:27,677 I'm small, 753 00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,128 I'm surrounded by bullies, 754 00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,992 I'm in a system that has me in its thrall 755 00:35:33,027 --> 00:35:34,201 from the moment I wake up 756 00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:36,548 till the moment I go to sleep at night, 757 00:35:36,582 --> 00:35:41,587 and I've gotta protect myself from being brutalized. 758 00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:42,795 How do I do it? 759 00:35:45,177 --> 00:35:46,661 Real simple. 760 00:35:46,696 --> 00:35:48,870 Most of the people in the barracks were illiterate, 761 00:35:48,905 --> 00:35:50,941 and I volunteered to write their letters home 762 00:35:50,976 --> 00:35:52,046 to their girlfriends. 763 00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:56,809 I became their Cyrano. 764 00:35:56,844 --> 00:35:59,605 Anybody came near me or if I got extra duty, 765 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,779 they would take it. 766 00:36:00,813 --> 00:36:02,056 They would do it for me. 767 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:17,692 And she wrote, "To Harlan Ellison, 768 00:36:17,727 --> 00:36:21,765 "with admiration, envy, and heartfelt wishes 769 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,699 "that I could be as good a writer as he is. 770 00:36:24,734 --> 00:36:27,978 "Dorothy Parker, Hollywood, 1962." 771 00:36:28,013 --> 00:36:30,257 You can think you're a real hot stuff, 772 00:36:30,291 --> 00:36:33,501 but, like they say in the movie Hearts of the West, 773 00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:37,195 "You're not a writer till a writer says you're a writer." 774 00:36:49,621 --> 00:36:51,450 I learned in the pulps, 775 00:36:51,485 --> 00:36:53,314 and that means writing and writing a lot. 776 00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:55,040 50 years worth of writing, 777 00:36:56,386 --> 00:36:58,354 sometimes I'm good, sometimes I'm terrific, 778 00:36:58,388 --> 00:37:01,426 sometimes I'm terrible, but never intentionally terrible. 779 00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:02,634 If I am, it's just I didn't know 780 00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:04,601 how to do the job well enough. 781 00:37:06,051 --> 00:37:09,261 But to keep going for 50 years is very, very tough. 782 00:37:09,296 --> 00:37:11,884 I always say becoming a writer is easy. 783 00:37:11,919 --> 00:37:14,439 If you look at some of the crap Judith Krantz writes 784 00:37:16,303 --> 00:37:18,097 and Tom Clancy and people like that, 785 00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:22,274 things that live in Petri dishes can become a writer. 786 00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:24,242 The trick is not becoming a writer, 787 00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:25,898 the trick is staying a writer. 788 00:37:25,933 --> 00:37:28,591 Day after story after year after novel, 789 00:37:28,625 --> 00:37:30,248 and just keeping going. 790 00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:34,769 And learning as you go and getting better, 791 00:37:34,804 --> 00:37:37,496 not doing the same thing over and over and over again. 792 00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:41,397 - What do you like to write about? 793 00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:42,846 - I like to write about those moments 794 00:37:42,881 --> 00:37:46,678 when something strange, peculiar, and untoward happens 795 00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:48,335 to an average human being, 796 00:37:48,369 --> 00:37:51,683 who in that moment discovers something in him or herself 797 00:37:51,717 --> 00:37:54,099 that makes them a different kind of person. 798 00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:56,964 - If someone were to 799 00:37:58,414 --> 00:38:02,970 create a course offering at a university or at a high school 800 00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:05,283 around Harlan Ellison's fiction, 801 00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:08,562 I think that they could title such a course offering 802 00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:11,496 something like Strategies for Survival with Dignity. 803 00:38:12,669 --> 00:38:15,603 - We all know that you exaggerate a little bit. 804 00:38:19,538 --> 00:38:22,748 Mentally, I say, okay, well, it wasn't 30 people, 805 00:38:22,783 --> 00:38:25,164 it was two, or whatever. 806 00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,339 And then I'll talk to someone who was there 807 00:38:27,374 --> 00:38:30,446 and they'll say, "There were 30 people there." 808 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,034 - When I go into hyperbole on my stories, 809 00:38:33,069 --> 00:38:35,243 I try not to stray from the facts, 810 00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:41,284 but if you alter the angle of persistence, 811 00:38:43,631 --> 00:38:46,013 it's funnier from this angle than it is from this angle. 812 00:38:46,047 --> 00:38:48,360 From this angle, I got a parking ticket. 813 00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:49,844 From this angle, 814 00:38:49,879 --> 00:38:52,675 it's one of the great tragedies of our time. 815 00:38:53,848 --> 00:38:56,299 - Because Harlan is as good a writer as he is, 816 00:38:57,611 --> 00:38:59,992 he's open to a certain amount of misinterpretation 817 00:39:00,027 --> 00:39:05,032 from people from who are not reading critically 818 00:39:06,205 --> 00:39:08,415 and who are not paying a lot of attention, 819 00:39:08,449 --> 00:39:10,865 certainly not paying as much attention to the work 820 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,902 as Harlan paid writing the work. 821 00:39:14,386 --> 00:39:18,977 - Most writers I know run that idiotic number about, 822 00:39:19,011 --> 00:39:21,876 "Oh, I like having written, but I don't like to write. 823 00:39:21,911 --> 00:39:22,808 "It's hard work." 824 00:39:22,843 --> 00:39:24,154 Well, fuck you, "hard work." 825 00:39:24,189 --> 00:39:27,882 If you don't like, go out and sail sailboats. 826 00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:29,367 Of course it's hard work. 827 00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:31,092 If it weren't hard work, everybody would be doing it. 828 00:39:31,127 --> 00:39:33,957 And the better you do it, the harder the work is. 829 00:39:33,992 --> 00:39:35,614 It's supposed to be hard. 830 00:39:35,649 --> 00:39:38,376 Art is not supposed to be easy. 831 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,516 Building roads is supposed to be easy. 832 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,453 Fielding crops is supposed to made easier for people. 833 00:39:46,487 --> 00:39:48,282 Art is supposed to be hard. 834 00:39:48,316 --> 00:39:49,421 Art is supposed to be demanding. 835 00:39:49,456 --> 00:39:51,665 That's the way I feel about it. 836 00:40:03,746 --> 00:40:07,025 I got out here in '62 with exactly 10 cents in my pocket. 837 00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:09,268 It's one of those great Horatio Alger 838 00:40:09,303 --> 00:40:11,167 up from the streets kind of stories. 839 00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:14,446 And I knew maybe three people in the whole town. 840 00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:17,000 I came out with these horrible visions of William Holden 841 00:40:17,035 --> 00:40:20,487 lying face down in Gloria Swanson's swimming pool 842 00:40:20,521 --> 00:40:23,317 and I told everybody, I'll be back in six months. 843 00:40:23,351 --> 00:40:26,458 And I kept going back to New York, 844 00:40:26,493 --> 00:40:30,738 but as time went on, I began to perceive the differences 845 00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:34,293 between New York and LA, 846 00:40:34,328 --> 00:40:36,503 and they were manifest. 847 00:40:37,883 --> 00:40:40,955 Los Angeles is the cutting edge of the culture, 848 00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:44,062 despite the claims and pretensions of San Francisco 849 00:40:44,096 --> 00:40:47,410 and New York and Boston and Washington. 850 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,931 It has all the verve and dynamism that I found in New York 851 00:40:50,965 --> 00:40:53,036 when I went there in 1950. 852 00:40:53,071 --> 00:40:56,488 Verve and dynamism that New York has lost, 853 00:40:56,523 --> 00:40:58,179 that Chicago wanted 854 00:40:58,214 --> 00:41:00,803 and for which it substituted brutality and angst, 855 00:41:00,837 --> 00:41:03,426 that New Orleans is afraid to let loose. 856 00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:06,602 For me, for me, 857 00:41:06,636 --> 00:41:11,607 LA is like a big, gauche baby with a shotgun in its mouth. 858 00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:13,505 It'll do anything. 859 00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:16,266 And with more style, with more fire, 860 00:41:16,301 --> 00:41:19,580 with more Errol Flynn go-to-hell vivacity 861 00:41:19,615 --> 00:41:21,893 than any other city I've ever experienced. 862 00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:26,242 I love LA. 863 00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:29,487 And it's become a big city now. 864 00:41:29,521 --> 00:41:30,798 And it's just like everywhere else in America, 865 00:41:30,833 --> 00:41:32,766 it's in chaos. 866 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,251 But here I live on the top of a mountain 867 00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:38,910 with 200 acres of watershed land behind me. 868 00:41:38,944 --> 00:41:40,774 If you just look past me here, 869 00:41:40,808 --> 00:41:42,534 that's the San Bernardino mountains, 870 00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,122 what we call the San Berdoos, 871 00:41:44,156 --> 00:41:46,434 and that's the San Fernando Valley, 872 00:41:46,469 --> 00:41:48,540 and that's about 40 miles over there. 873 00:41:48,575 --> 00:41:52,682 And I'll go to some place like Coshocton, Ohio, 874 00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:55,582 or East Wee Waa, Wisconsin, 875 00:41:55,616 --> 00:41:57,825 and some smart ass will say, 876 00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:02,520 "Now, how can you live in Los Angeles with all that smog?!" 877 00:42:04,038 --> 00:42:06,420 And I just kind of giggle because I say, 878 00:42:06,454 --> 00:42:08,111 I don't see any smog. 879 00:42:08,146 --> 00:42:09,630 The only smog there is down there 880 00:42:09,665 --> 00:42:11,459 is down in the valley killing Republicans. 881 00:42:11,494 --> 00:42:13,082 I don't give a shit about that. 882 00:42:15,498 --> 00:42:19,813 - What is great about taking somebody to Harlan's house is 883 00:42:19,847 --> 00:42:22,850 it's like going there for the first time all over again 884 00:42:22,885 --> 00:42:25,266 as you pull up outside 885 00:42:25,301 --> 00:42:29,098 and it is the Lost Inca Temple of Mars, 886 00:42:29,132 --> 00:42:31,549 and it's like nothing you've ever seen. 887 00:42:32,619 --> 00:42:33,999 And then you go inside. 888 00:42:35,622 --> 00:42:37,555 - Every time I go in the house, I go, look at that. 889 00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:40,730 I have an homage, but an actual ripoff. 890 00:42:40,765 --> 00:42:42,870 I have a small room and then an incomplete hallway 891 00:42:42,905 --> 00:42:46,460 up in my ranch and a tower with a bell. 892 00:42:46,494 --> 00:42:49,705 And I hired a hunched back kid, oh, don't tell anybody. 893 00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:50,913 "I work on the weekends. 894 00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:53,916 "Mr. Williams said I'll get a scholarship." 895 00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:54,779 You will, Timmy. 896 00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:55,642 You will. 897 00:42:57,126 --> 00:42:58,541 When Harlan got me into the idea of having these spaces, 898 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,199 crawl spaces filled with this stuff that... 899 00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:05,065 Well, maybe we'll just bury Harlan in the house. 900 00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:07,723 It'll be like Nefertiti and we'll have to find some people. 901 00:43:07,757 --> 00:43:09,725 I'm sorry, we have to bury you with Harlan. 902 00:43:09,759 --> 00:43:11,002 And these? 903 00:43:11,036 --> 00:43:12,417 - These are my extra typewriters. 904 00:43:13,798 --> 00:43:14,695 Well, you gotta-- 905 00:43:16,007 --> 00:43:17,180 - This is like an ammunition dump. 906 00:43:17,215 --> 00:43:19,493 - Well, yeah, I use typewriters. 907 00:43:19,527 --> 00:43:21,012 They're all Olympias. 908 00:43:21,046 --> 00:43:24,429 And I have all my typewriter ribbons in the refrigerator. 909 00:43:24,463 --> 00:43:25,844 - So they won't deteriorate? 910 00:43:25,879 --> 00:43:27,121 - Yeah, 'cause you can't get typewriter ribbons. 911 00:43:27,156 --> 00:43:28,640 - Aw, man. 912 00:43:30,055 --> 00:43:32,023 - The fact that he's had the time in there 913 00:43:32,057 --> 00:43:34,819 to write even a couple of stories that anybody read, 914 00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:38,098 let alone amazing stories that have changed people's lives, 915 00:43:38,132 --> 00:43:40,825 let alone some of the best television ever written, 916 00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:43,206 let alone having time to have had sex 917 00:43:43,241 --> 00:43:45,277 with all those women in the '70s. 918 00:43:46,209 --> 00:43:47,659 Where does he get the energy? 919 00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:51,905 - I have never known anybody that could seduce a woman 920 00:43:51,939 --> 00:43:53,700 as quickly as Harlan could. 921 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:59,326 It became a passion with him and he was an expert at it. 922 00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:03,433 - He saw more puss than a litter box. 923 00:44:03,468 --> 00:44:05,228 That was part of him in the early days. 924 00:44:05,263 --> 00:44:07,472 He was the one working the room. 925 00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:11,545 ♪ Found out the ladies like the little Hebrew boy ♪ 926 00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:41,713 - The 25th of March, 50,000 people walking 927 00:44:41,748 --> 00:44:46,718 the red mud roads of Alabama, singing, singing. 928 00:44:47,857 --> 00:44:50,549 The outsiders come to tell a crazed bigot 929 00:44:50,584 --> 00:44:53,449 that the Civil War was long dead, 930 00:44:53,483 --> 00:44:56,659 that a house divided was soon to topple, 931 00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:59,766 that the stain of evil that Alabama had become 932 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,805 would no longer be tolerated in a United States. 933 00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:07,739 The Freedom March on Montgomery, Alabama. 934 00:45:08,671 --> 00:45:10,984 A biased report. 935 00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:14,850 And if you weren't marching with us, go screw yourself. 936 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,302 I know the '60s were good and I'll tell you why. 937 00:45:19,337 --> 00:45:20,614 I know they were good. 938 00:45:20,648 --> 00:45:23,375 In the '60s and on into the '70s, 939 00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:24,618 you would go to a college 940 00:45:24,652 --> 00:45:27,828 and there was an electrical charge. 941 00:45:27,863 --> 00:45:32,868 There was a sense that people were weighing and evaluating, 942 00:45:34,041 --> 00:45:36,699 that they were taking all the parts of society 943 00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:39,771 that we have lived with for over 200 years, 944 00:45:39,806 --> 00:45:43,706 and they were sort of jostling them and shaking them up 945 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:46,813 and seeing which ones would fall through the cultural sieve, 946 00:45:46,847 --> 00:45:50,575 and which ones had enough weight and substance to stay. 947 00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:52,784 I'm not saying that there were not foolishness, 948 00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:55,787 love beads, and people streaking. 949 00:45:57,202 --> 00:46:00,343 When an entire decade, 950 00:46:00,378 --> 00:46:01,793 and we're talking about a decade that runs 951 00:46:01,828 --> 00:46:05,728 from about '61, '62 to about '75, 952 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,523 so it's more than 10 years, 953 00:46:07,557 --> 00:46:09,697 but that era, when one talks about it 954 00:46:09,732 --> 00:46:12,079 in terms of its dumbest parts 955 00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:14,530 rather than its most noble parts, 956 00:46:14,564 --> 00:46:17,464 you know you were dealing with a prejudiced, 957 00:46:17,498 --> 00:46:20,156 with a closed, and with a mean spirited mind. 958 00:46:20,191 --> 00:46:22,676 And that's what they invariably do. 959 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:24,091 They don't talk about any of the things, 960 00:46:24,126 --> 00:46:26,680 all of the emerging African nations, 961 00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:29,821 the Civil Rights Movement, the Feminist Movement. 962 00:46:29,856 --> 00:46:32,617 They see the worst parts of all of these things 963 00:46:32,651 --> 00:46:34,688 because they fear change. 964 00:46:34,722 --> 00:46:36,966 These are the reactionary elements 965 00:46:37,001 --> 00:46:39,210 that have been in our society since the very beginning. 966 00:46:39,244 --> 00:46:44,249 We have been always a fiercely anti-intellectual nation. 967 00:46:45,181 --> 00:46:47,356 Fiercely anti-intellectual. 968 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,359 "If you're so smart, why ain't you wealthy?" 969 00:46:50,393 --> 00:46:51,843 Or "You can't fight city hall." 970 00:46:51,878 --> 00:46:53,051 Or, "Who the hell do you think you are?" 971 00:46:53,086 --> 00:46:54,777 Or, "I'm entitled to my opinion." 972 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,366 No, schmuck, you are not entitled to your opinion. 973 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,540 You're entitled to your informed opinion. 974 00:46:59,575 --> 00:47:01,128 Without information, it's just babble, 975 00:47:01,163 --> 00:47:03,027 hot air, and farts in the wind. 976 00:47:03,061 --> 00:47:05,063 So, the '60s was a period 977 00:47:05,098 --> 00:47:08,135 in which a lot of things were questioned. 978 00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:10,344 They got smog in the Aleutian Islands, man. 979 00:47:10,379 --> 00:47:12,484 They got smog in Anchorage, Alaska. 980 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,971 They got smog at the polar ice caps, can you believe it? 981 00:47:16,005 --> 00:47:18,421 Smog at the polar ice caps. 982 00:47:18,456 --> 00:47:20,630 There's no place that you can go hide anymore. 983 00:47:20,665 --> 00:47:22,632 So, the days of thinking 984 00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:25,704 that the Thames or the English Channel 985 00:47:25,739 --> 00:47:28,431 or the Rocky Mountains was gonna keep you safe 986 00:47:28,466 --> 00:47:31,676 from some ding-dong on the other side, doesn't go anymore. 987 00:47:33,264 --> 00:47:35,922 A nitwit in Hanoi can blow us all 988 00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,889 just as dead as a nitwit in Washington. 989 00:47:39,028 --> 00:47:41,168 College campuses are very strange these days. 990 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,068 Mr. Nixon had his way with this country 991 00:47:44,102 --> 00:47:47,554 after the college unrest of the '60s and '70s, 992 00:47:47,588 --> 00:47:49,728 and you find a nice quite hum there now. 993 00:47:49,763 --> 00:47:51,247 A lot of drinking going on 994 00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:55,527 and there's lot of trying to get a piece of the pie, 995 00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:58,772 meaning getting into big business and getting money. 996 00:47:58,806 --> 00:48:00,739 It's a replay of the '50s in some ways. 997 00:48:00,774 --> 00:48:02,258 - What happens when you're at a college campus 998 00:48:02,293 --> 00:48:03,535 and a kid stands up in the back of the room and says, 999 00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:04,709 "Oh, your just trying to shock us 1000 00:48:04,743 --> 00:48:06,193 "when you say something like that"? 1001 00:48:06,228 --> 00:48:09,300 - I usually call him a dip and insult him 1002 00:48:09,334 --> 00:48:11,923 and invite him up to duke it out on the stage. 1003 00:48:14,926 --> 00:48:17,135 All right, so we're at MIT. - So, okay, we're at MIT, 1004 00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:18,654 we're in the question and answer bit. 1005 00:48:18,688 --> 00:48:21,450 We've all done a little talk. 1006 00:48:21,484 --> 00:48:23,693 We're now at the giant Q and A bit. 1007 00:48:25,074 --> 00:48:26,834 A kid comes up, I don't even remember what he said, 1008 00:48:26,869 --> 00:48:27,766 but it was stupid. 1009 00:48:28,975 --> 00:48:30,079 And it was ignorant. 1010 00:48:30,114 --> 00:48:30,942 - Yeah. 1011 00:48:32,012 --> 00:48:33,324 - And you lost it with him 1012 00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:36,396 in a way that I would never have lost it with him 1013 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:37,880 or that Peter David would never lost it. 1014 00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:38,950 And it was a question directed at you. 1015 00:48:38,985 --> 00:48:41,608 - Yeah. - And you lost it. 1016 00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:46,544 And the kid, but instead of being upset or anything, 1017 00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:49,202 it was like the Bible. 1018 00:48:49,236 --> 00:48:52,964 It was strangely biblical because the kid basically said... 1019 00:48:52,999 --> 00:48:56,864 You gave him the "you are ignorant, you know nothing" rant 1020 00:48:56,899 --> 00:49:00,109 and he basically said, "Yes, master. 1021 00:49:00,144 --> 00:49:01,559 "I am ignorant." 1022 00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:04,942 - I'm concerned that you seem to like 1023 00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:08,876 to offend or shock people, which is okay, 1024 00:49:08,911 --> 00:49:11,845 but it seems that you have wisdom 1025 00:49:11,879 --> 00:49:13,640 that you'd like to share with most of us, 1026 00:49:13,674 --> 00:49:15,642 being dumb as posts, and-- 1027 00:49:15,676 --> 00:49:16,884 - I get the question, I get the question. 1028 00:49:16,919 --> 00:49:18,334 - With trying to be irreverent-- 1029 00:49:18,369 --> 00:49:19,991 - I got the question. - You see where I'm going. 1030 00:49:20,026 --> 00:49:21,268 - No, I see where you went, 1031 00:49:21,303 --> 00:49:22,097 and I can answer the question perfectly. 1032 00:49:24,478 --> 00:49:26,342 Now, put the microphone back in its stand 1033 00:49:26,377 --> 00:49:27,274 and I'll give you the answer. 1034 00:49:27,309 --> 00:49:28,034 - It would be my pleasure. 1035 00:49:28,068 --> 00:49:29,552 - Good. 1036 00:49:29,587 --> 00:49:31,002 Okay, first of all, 1037 00:49:31,037 --> 00:49:34,040 give me an honest straight answer, for yourself. 1038 00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:35,903 Do you think you are dumb as a post? 1039 00:49:42,082 --> 00:49:43,256 Shut the fuck up. I'm serious. 1040 00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:44,602 Do you think you're dumb as a post? 1041 00:49:44,636 --> 00:49:45,568 - Yes. 1042 00:49:57,649 --> 00:49:58,926 - Why do you think that of yourself? 1043 00:49:58,961 --> 00:50:01,481 The fact that you asked the question 1044 00:50:01,515 --> 00:50:03,138 means you are not dumb as a post. 1045 00:50:04,346 --> 00:50:06,210 - No matter what his position was, 1046 00:50:06,244 --> 00:50:09,696 he knew what he felt and what he wanted to say, 1047 00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:12,216 and he was gonna be damned if he was gonna be run off 1048 00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:14,908 that stage by a bunch of yahoos in this audience. 1049 00:50:14,942 --> 00:50:16,565 And that image really struck with me 1050 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:18,394 and really made an impression on me 1051 00:50:18,429 --> 00:50:20,603 about what it meant to write something, 1052 00:50:20,638 --> 00:50:22,329 to stand behind it, to believe in it, 1053 00:50:22,364 --> 00:50:25,505 and to not care if you were the only one in the room 1054 00:50:25,539 --> 00:50:27,990 that believed that you still stood by the work. 1055 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:31,580 - As Kafka said, "Art is like a brick. 1056 00:50:31,614 --> 00:50:33,099 "It should be thrown through a window. 1057 00:50:33,133 --> 00:50:34,893 "If it does not break the ice that lives within you, 1058 00:50:34,928 --> 00:50:36,309 "why bother to do it?" 1059 00:50:36,343 --> 00:50:39,450 So, if I seem to you to be offensive, so be it. 1060 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:42,211 - When I was in ninth grade, 1061 00:50:42,246 --> 00:50:44,075 I had an English teacher named Janet Goldstein. 1062 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:46,664 And she saw something in me 1063 00:50:46,698 --> 00:50:50,495 and gave me a copy of Ellison Wonderland, 1064 00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:51,945 and I think this is the original. 1065 00:50:51,979 --> 00:50:56,984 And I remember reading it, getting about half way through, 1066 00:50:58,124 --> 00:50:59,470 this really is the first time I ever said, 1067 00:50:59,504 --> 00:51:01,161 this is what I wanna do. 1068 00:51:01,196 --> 00:51:04,854 And I've got this autograph in here. 1069 00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:07,478 It says, "Josh, you've got to pay attention to this: 1070 00:51:07,512 --> 00:51:09,100 "My name is Harlan Ellison. 1071 00:51:09,135 --> 00:51:10,860 "I wrote this book for you. 1072 00:51:10,895 --> 00:51:14,899 "I am up ahead in time, the year 2006 in your future. 1073 00:51:14,933 --> 00:51:17,729 "I came back in time and used my empath-O-meter 1074 00:51:17,764 --> 00:51:20,525 "to plant in teacher Janet's mind, in your ninth grade, 1075 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,219 "back in my past, 1979, so she'll give it to you, 1076 00:51:24,253 --> 00:51:25,910 "and it's important that you read it. 1077 00:51:25,944 --> 00:51:26,738 "See you soon. 1078 00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:28,292 "Your pal, Harlan." 1079 00:51:28,326 --> 00:51:31,536 And Harlan Ellison is the man who made me wanna be a writer, 1080 00:51:31,571 --> 00:51:34,470 and, for me at least, the question of why Harlan matters 1081 00:51:34,505 --> 00:51:35,506 is answered by that. 1082 00:51:54,663 --> 00:51:56,665 - Among you, and not even introduced today, 1083 00:51:56,699 --> 00:51:58,598 probably because Marshal didn't know he was here, 1084 00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:00,289 and that is not Marshal's fault, 1085 00:52:00,324 --> 00:52:04,086 is probably the best writer of us all in the room. 1086 00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:05,432 The best writer of us all. 1087 00:52:05,467 --> 00:52:08,159 A writer named Dan Simmons. 1088 00:52:08,194 --> 00:52:09,091 Where are you Dan? 1089 00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:12,267 There's Dan Simmons. 1090 00:52:12,301 --> 00:52:15,270 If you have not read his book, Song of Kali, K-A-L-I, 1091 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,207 you are missing one of the important books of our time. 1092 00:52:21,241 --> 00:52:24,969 It is the first novel so blindingly brilliant 1093 00:52:25,003 --> 00:52:26,315 that it won the World Fantasy Award. 1094 00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:27,696 First time a first novel ever did. 1095 00:52:37,084 --> 00:52:39,742 - As you jump from genre to genre, what's next? 1096 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:42,952 - Thought I'd stay out of genre for a while. 1097 00:52:42,987 --> 00:52:45,679 There's this genre called best seller-dom, 1098 00:52:45,714 --> 00:52:46,956 I thought I'd give it a shot. 1099 00:52:57,174 --> 00:53:00,073 I research while I write and serendipity would lead me 1100 00:53:00,107 --> 00:53:01,833 to new information all through the writing. 1101 00:53:01,868 --> 00:53:03,352 - Oh, wow. 1102 00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:04,215 Thank you very much. 1103 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:05,803 - Thanks for coming. 1104 00:53:05,837 --> 00:53:07,184 Excuse me, time out just a minute. 1105 00:53:07,218 --> 00:53:09,013 I'll give this to you now. 1106 00:53:09,047 --> 00:53:09,841 I brought this... 1107 00:53:15,571 --> 00:53:16,400 I got up in the middle of the night 1108 00:53:16,434 --> 00:53:17,918 before I left on tour... 1109 00:53:22,647 --> 00:53:24,546 Harlan's meeting with me at a workshop, 1110 00:53:24,580 --> 00:53:27,445 a small workshop in Colorado, became the stuff of legend, 1111 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,136 but do you know about this? 1112 00:53:29,171 --> 00:53:30,931 It's a fairytale, but it's true. 1113 00:53:32,657 --> 00:53:35,246 Harlan Ellison told me what I'd known for years, 1114 00:53:35,281 --> 00:53:37,524 but had lost the nerve to believe. 1115 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,389 He told me that I had no choice but to continue writing, 1116 00:53:40,424 --> 00:53:42,564 whether anything was ever published or not. 1117 00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:44,980 He told me that few heard the music, 1118 00:53:45,014 --> 00:53:49,260 but those who did, had no choice but to follow the piper. 1119 00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:50,779 He told me that if I didn't get back 1120 00:53:50,813 --> 00:53:52,815 to the typewriter and keep working, 1121 00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:56,094 that he would fly to Colorado and rip my fucking nose off. 1122 00:53:57,268 --> 00:53:58,649 - I adore Dan Simmons. 1123 00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:01,824 But whenever he's got a bad situation 1124 00:54:01,859 --> 00:54:03,101 with a producer or something, 1125 00:54:03,136 --> 00:54:04,344 he'll either come to town and say, 1126 00:54:04,379 --> 00:54:05,828 "Okay, here's what the situation is. 1127 00:54:05,863 --> 00:54:08,279 "Tell me what to do," or "Tell me what you would do," 1128 00:54:08,314 --> 00:54:10,281 which is mostly, he doesn't want to know what he should do. 1129 00:54:10,316 --> 00:54:11,593 He just wants to know what I would do. 1130 00:54:11,627 --> 00:54:13,802 And I said, well, I'd get a garden hoe 1131 00:54:13,836 --> 00:54:16,011 and I'd bury it in the motherfucker's head. 1132 00:54:35,237 --> 00:54:37,998 - What was different about Dangerous Visions? 1133 00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:43,418 - Well, the stories were written especially for the book, 1134 00:54:43,452 --> 00:54:48,181 and so by intent, the anthology tried to go some places 1135 00:54:48,215 --> 00:54:50,321 that anthologies had not gone before. 1136 00:54:54,946 --> 00:54:58,433 As much vehemence as is put into restrictions on writers, 1137 00:54:58,467 --> 00:55:00,573 as much as they're told don't curse, 1138 00:55:00,607 --> 00:55:02,713 don't write about unnatural sex, 1139 00:55:02,747 --> 00:55:04,404 don't offend the establishment, 1140 00:55:05,371 --> 00:55:09,133 by most of the commercial media, 1141 00:55:09,167 --> 00:55:10,824 that was the same vehemence 1142 00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:13,413 with which I told the writers, get it on. 1143 00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:14,897 Really do it. 1144 00:55:14,932 --> 00:55:17,728 I really want you to write what you've never written before. 1145 00:55:17,762 --> 00:55:21,214 I want you to just put your stomach on paper. 1146 00:55:21,248 --> 00:55:24,079 It was the best fucking anthology anybody had ever done 1147 00:55:24,113 --> 00:55:26,253 in the genre of imaginative literature, 1148 00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:29,256 and has sold more copies than any other anthology 1149 00:55:29,291 --> 00:55:30,810 from that time to this time, 1150 00:55:30,844 --> 00:55:33,053 prior to that time, in between that time. 1151 00:55:33,088 --> 00:55:35,366 It's now in its 35th year and people are still reading it, 1152 00:55:35,401 --> 00:55:37,334 and people are still getting it in high schools 1153 00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:39,128 and taking it off the shelves and reading it. 1154 00:55:39,163 --> 00:55:42,339 It made reputations, and was important enough 1155 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,031 that it became a millstone around my neck, 1156 00:55:45,065 --> 00:55:46,826 because I was then pressed into doing the sequel, 1157 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,862 Again Dangerous Visions in '72. 1158 00:55:48,897 --> 00:55:50,139 And they bought so many stories for that, 1159 00:55:50,174 --> 00:55:51,348 that I had to go onto a third book, 1160 00:55:51,382 --> 00:55:52,625 which has never yet come out. 1161 00:56:17,132 --> 00:56:20,411 - I think that he could have been and he still could be 1162 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:23,449 a giant in American Literature 1163 00:56:25,105 --> 00:56:27,142 if he was able 1164 00:56:29,316 --> 00:56:32,975 to bring himself to sit down 1165 00:56:33,010 --> 00:56:36,116 and do a full-blown work. 1166 00:56:37,463 --> 00:56:39,430 - Nothing has hurt his writing. 1167 00:56:39,465 --> 00:56:42,295 It's as fresh and colorful 1168 00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:48,957 and insightful as the very first story 1169 00:56:48,991 --> 00:56:50,648 that he ever published. 1170 00:56:50,683 --> 00:56:53,824 Career is a different matter. 1171 00:56:55,204 --> 00:56:59,070 - You're talking about somebody who has managed, 1172 00:57:01,072 --> 00:57:04,800 at one point there was a de facto organization 1173 00:57:04,835 --> 00:57:07,216 that called itself the Enemies of Ellison. 1174 00:57:12,567 --> 00:57:14,500 Out to get Harlan. 1175 00:57:14,534 --> 00:57:16,950 You have to live a certain kind of life 1176 00:57:18,158 --> 00:57:20,057 in order to generate something like that. 1177 00:57:22,646 --> 00:57:25,407 - This is my desk and this is where I work, 1178 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:29,204 and I have iconic quotes all over the place here 1179 00:57:29,238 --> 00:57:30,688 that mean a lot to me. 1180 00:57:31,724 --> 00:57:32,621 There is... 1181 00:57:33,726 --> 00:57:35,935 From Michelangelo, "Trifles make perfection 1182 00:57:35,969 --> 00:57:38,213 "and perfection is no trifle." 1183 00:57:39,697 --> 00:57:44,012 From Rimbaud, "Genius is the recovery of childhood at will." 1184 00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:47,256 And Eleanor Roosevelt, 1185 00:57:47,291 --> 00:57:50,674 "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." 1186 00:57:52,158 --> 00:57:55,748 Here is the quote that I sort of work by. 1187 00:57:55,782 --> 00:57:59,406 It's from PJ Proby, the rock singer, and it says, 1188 00:57:59,441 --> 00:58:02,099 "I am an artist, and should be exempt from shit." 1189 00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:06,241 There's also, over here, a Latin proverb which says, 1190 00:58:06,275 --> 00:58:08,243 "Sat ci sat bene," which means, 1191 00:58:08,277 --> 00:58:11,557 "It is done quickly enough if it is done well," 1192 00:58:11,591 --> 00:58:13,420 which is my response to all editors 1193 00:58:13,455 --> 00:58:16,458 when they call me because they have schedules. 1194 00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,599 Perfectly candid, I don't give a shit about their schedules. 1195 00:58:19,634 --> 00:58:22,878 I work at the pace that the work demands I work. 1196 00:58:22,913 --> 00:58:26,503 - I remember once arriving in Los Angeles 1197 00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,850 and calling Harlan to let him know that I was here 1198 00:58:28,884 --> 00:58:30,334 and him saying, "Just come up to the house. 1199 00:58:30,368 --> 00:58:32,094 "Come up to the house now." 1200 00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,546 And I thought, oh, okay. 1201 00:58:35,581 --> 00:58:39,067 Came up to the house and he came over to me, said, 1202 00:58:39,101 --> 00:58:42,933 "Look, this is," and he introduced this editor to me. 1203 00:58:42,967 --> 00:58:44,728 And he said, "Now, come in here with me." 1204 00:58:44,762 --> 00:58:47,627 And I came in, he said, "She's come down. 1205 00:58:47,662 --> 00:58:49,526 "I told her I'd finish this story 1206 00:58:50,665 --> 00:58:53,460 "and I haven't actually finished it. 1207 00:58:53,495 --> 00:58:56,049 "I told her that FedEx wasn't working, 1208 00:58:56,912 --> 00:58:58,914 "I had a problem with FedEx, 1209 00:58:58,949 --> 00:59:01,089 "and she's turned up here to get it. 1210 00:59:02,504 --> 00:59:06,232 "Can you keep her talking while I write it?" 1211 00:59:07,682 --> 00:59:09,649 - Sometimes when I don't wanna work, I, 1212 00:59:10,616 --> 00:59:11,962 oh, gee, have to dust. 1213 00:59:12,825 --> 00:59:14,067 The desk is a little dusty. 1214 00:59:14,102 --> 00:59:16,587 And, God, I wonder if I should transcribe this 1215 00:59:16,622 --> 00:59:19,038 from pencil to ink, yeah. 1216 00:59:22,317 --> 00:59:25,285 I'm absolutely a genius 1217 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,427 at finding ways to avoid doing the work I have to do. 1218 00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:34,087 - Without the writer, 1219 00:59:34,122 --> 00:59:35,986 most of what we watch on television 1220 00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:39,852 would be no more exciting than animated test patterns. 1221 00:59:39,886 --> 00:59:43,338 Few writers have written for and about television 1222 00:59:43,372 --> 00:59:46,272 with more success than Harlan Ellison. 1223 00:59:46,306 --> 00:59:50,828 Ellison enjoys an adversary relationship with the medium. 1224 00:59:50,863 --> 00:59:52,071 - So CBS called me, 1225 00:59:52,105 --> 00:59:54,418 I guess it was about six or eight weeks ago. 1226 00:59:54,452 --> 00:59:56,558 And they said, "We want you to write a miniseries. 1227 00:59:56,593 --> 01:00:00,010 "$360,000." 1228 01:00:00,044 --> 01:00:01,321 I will say that again slowly. 1229 01:00:01,356 --> 01:00:04,497 $360,000. 1230 01:00:04,531 --> 01:00:07,949 Now, I don't know, I can't picture in mind $360,000. 1231 01:00:07,983 --> 01:00:09,398 When I think of it, all I can see in my mind 1232 01:00:09,433 --> 01:00:11,435 is a big nickel, okay? 1233 01:00:11,469 --> 01:00:13,506 They call me and they say, "We want you to do a miniseries, 1234 01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:15,646 "anything you wanna write, anything you wanna write." 1235 01:00:15,681 --> 01:00:17,648 They wanted fantasy or science-fiction, something like that. 1236 01:00:17,683 --> 01:00:19,374 They said, "All we require is that 1237 01:00:20,547 --> 01:00:22,135 "you use latest state of the art." 1238 01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:23,343 I said, what? 1239 01:00:23,378 --> 01:00:24,586 They said, "Use latest state of the art." 1240 01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:25,794 I said, well, I use a typewriter. 1241 01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:28,521 Papyrus and quills are so hard to come by. 1242 01:00:28,555 --> 01:00:29,695 They said, "No, no." 1243 01:00:30,868 --> 01:00:34,527 After we got through this semantic jungle, 1244 01:00:34,561 --> 01:00:36,115 I found that what they were talking about 1245 01:00:36,149 --> 01:00:37,703 was special effects, 1246 01:00:37,737 --> 01:00:40,706 that they had all kinds of crazed special effects, 1247 01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:45,607 laser blasts and robots and a lot of metal things, 1248 01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:47,160 and they wanted me to put a lot of things 1249 01:00:47,195 --> 01:00:49,197 that made booms in space, the vacuum of space, 1250 01:00:49,231 --> 01:00:50,681 where there is no sound. 1251 01:00:50,716 --> 01:00:52,925 And as long as I would do that, they didn't give a damn. 1252 01:00:52,959 --> 01:00:55,272 They didn't give a French fry in hell 1253 01:00:55,306 --> 01:00:56,583 what the story was about. 1254 01:00:56,618 --> 01:00:58,793 I could have had talking mice, they didn't care. 1255 01:00:58,827 --> 01:01:01,381 And I said, put it in your rear and get out of my face. 1256 01:01:01,416 --> 01:01:04,315 Just get back in the wind and leave me alone. 1257 01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:06,455 - Television is a lot of compromise, 1258 01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:09,148 especially running a how over a course of a season. 1259 01:01:09,182 --> 01:01:12,116 It's about managing compromise and picking battles. 1260 01:01:12,151 --> 01:01:14,740 I'm gonna fight for this and I'll let that go. 1261 01:01:14,774 --> 01:01:17,708 And I don't know if that's in Harlan's makeup. 1262 01:01:17,743 --> 01:01:19,192 I think he fights all the battles 1263 01:01:19,227 --> 01:01:22,195 'cause I think he thinks all the battles are worth fighting. 1264 01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:25,302 Sure, you could compromise on that, 1265 01:01:25,336 --> 01:01:26,579 but then it's gonna suck. 1266 01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,998 - Through all the legends of ancient peoples, 1267 01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:36,347 Assyrian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Semitic, 1268 01:01:36,382 --> 01:01:38,764 runs the saga of the eternal man. 1269 01:01:40,144 --> 01:01:42,940 - It's funny because I can't remember... 1270 01:01:44,424 --> 01:01:45,494 I have to really strain to think about what happened 1271 01:01:45,529 --> 01:01:46,910 on the last episode of Heroes 1272 01:01:46,944 --> 01:01:50,465 or what my agent's daughter's name is, 1273 01:01:50,499 --> 01:01:52,743 but I can remember where I was sitting 1274 01:01:52,778 --> 01:01:54,193 and what the TV looked like 1275 01:01:54,227 --> 01:01:56,160 when I first saw Demon with a Glass Hand. 1276 01:01:56,195 --> 01:01:57,990 - I was born 10 days ago. 1277 01:01:59,129 --> 01:02:01,372 A full grown man born 10 days ago. 1278 01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,824 And they tracked me down and tried to kill me. 1279 01:02:06,757 --> 01:02:07,551 Why? 1280 01:02:08,448 --> 01:02:09,242 Who are you? 1281 01:02:10,381 --> 01:02:11,797 I ran. 1282 01:02:11,831 --> 01:02:16,836 Then the hand, my hand, told me what to do. 1283 01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:20,046 - 70 billion Earth men. 1284 01:02:20,081 --> 01:02:25,086 All of them went onto the wire and the wire went into you. 1285 01:02:26,294 --> 01:02:27,951 They programmed you to think you were a human 1286 01:02:27,985 --> 01:02:31,575 with a surgically attached computer for a hand. 1287 01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:33,922 But you are a robot trapped. 1288 01:02:35,096 --> 01:02:37,029 You are the guardian of the human race. 1289 01:02:40,618 --> 01:02:42,241 - Still, to this day, when you meet someone 1290 01:02:42,275 --> 01:02:44,795 and you talk about old TV shows or something 1291 01:02:44,830 --> 01:02:46,452 and you get into the Outer Limits, 1292 01:02:46,486 --> 01:02:48,178 when that episode comes up, 1293 01:02:48,212 --> 01:02:50,594 there's this look people get in their eyes when they talk. 1294 01:02:50,628 --> 01:02:52,596 "Oh, ever see the one with Robert Culp and the hand. 1295 01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:54,425 "Remember the hand and the fingers?" 1296 01:02:55,944 --> 01:02:59,499 - So, I write this Star Trek episode, 1297 01:02:59,534 --> 01:03:02,951 which, I am told by only the wisest heads, 1298 01:03:02,986 --> 01:03:07,991 is the all-time best Star Trek segment ever written. 1299 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:10,683 It was called City on the Edge of Forever. 1300 01:03:10,717 --> 01:03:13,030 And it was mucked about by a lot of people, 1301 01:03:13,065 --> 01:03:14,549 including Roddenberry, 1302 01:03:14,583 --> 01:03:18,415 and they put a much inferior version of it on the air. 1303 01:03:18,449 --> 01:03:23,454 This is a scene in which Kirk and Spock... 1304 01:03:25,249 --> 01:03:26,837 These two guys walk into the time portal, 1305 01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:28,321 they come out on the other side 1306 01:03:28,356 --> 01:03:32,947 and they see a lot rocks and the rocks have runes on them. 1307 01:03:32,981 --> 01:03:34,431 R-U-N-E-S. 1308 01:03:34,465 --> 01:03:37,675 Unfortunately, the person who did the set design 1309 01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:39,712 didn't know what the word runes meant 1310 01:03:39,746 --> 01:03:41,714 and he thought it meant ruins. 1311 01:03:41,748 --> 01:03:44,717 So, instead of having large, obelisk, 1312 01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:47,582 Stonehenge-like stones, 1313 01:03:48,997 --> 01:03:53,105 pilasters if you will, with runes on them, archaic glyphs, 1314 01:03:53,139 --> 01:03:55,486 they had old broken stones. 1315 01:03:55,521 --> 01:03:56,798 And you're supposed to be able to see 1316 01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,869 this city up on the crest. 1317 01:03:58,904 --> 01:04:00,526 That was the city on the edge of Forever. 1318 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,976 La-di-da. 1319 01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:05,220 And this is the way I described it in my script. 1320 01:04:05,255 --> 01:04:08,223 There's a panning shot, like this, 1321 01:04:08,258 --> 01:04:12,745 from Kirk's immediate right, around the bowl of the plateau. 1322 01:04:12,779 --> 01:04:14,851 The gray sky, you can see the gray sky, 1323 01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:16,783 past the rock prominences. 1324 01:04:16,818 --> 01:04:18,716 Light and an eerie mist 1325 01:04:18,751 --> 01:04:21,443 that gives the entire area an ethereal look. 1326 01:04:21,478 --> 01:04:23,963 There are niches in the rock walls, 1327 01:04:23,998 --> 01:04:25,896 boulders of the same bright substance 1328 01:04:25,931 --> 01:04:28,140 here and there, on a higher peak. 1329 01:04:28,174 --> 01:04:33,179 But still, quite far off, the city, this magnificent city 1330 01:04:34,284 --> 01:04:36,113 glittering like a hashish eater's dream. 1331 01:04:36,148 --> 01:04:38,184 And as the camera pans around, 1332 01:04:38,219 --> 01:04:43,224 we see, for the first time, the Guardians of Forever. 1333 01:04:44,087 --> 01:04:45,260 The shot continues a beat 1334 01:04:45,295 --> 01:04:47,124 and then the camera zooms in on them 1335 01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:50,196 who, for just that beat, 1336 01:04:50,231 --> 01:04:53,372 they had looked almost like part of the stone walls. 1337 01:04:53,406 --> 01:04:54,960 Then they come away and you see 1338 01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,170 they are men as the camera closes on them. 1339 01:04:58,204 --> 01:05:01,345 And Kirk says with wonder, "Who are you?" 1340 01:05:02,243 --> 01:05:03,451 And the first Guardian answers 1341 01:05:03,485 --> 01:05:06,005 with a voice of power, incalculable power, 1342 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,044 "We are the Guardians of Forever." 1343 01:05:10,078 --> 01:05:13,944 And Kirk says, "You live in that city?" 1344 01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,152 And the Guardian says, 1345 01:05:15,187 --> 01:05:18,086 "Since before your sun burned hot in space. 1346 01:05:18,121 --> 01:05:20,399 "Before your race was born." 1347 01:05:21,607 --> 01:05:25,645 And Spock says, "This place is dead, empty. 1348 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,854 "Why do you stay?" 1349 01:05:27,889 --> 01:05:28,717 And the First Guardian says, 1350 01:05:28,752 --> 01:05:30,271 "Only on this world 1351 01:05:30,305 --> 01:05:34,965 "do the million pulse-flows of time and space merge. 1352 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,831 "Only here do the flux lines of Forever meet. 1353 01:05:38,865 --> 01:05:42,800 "Only here can exist the gateway to the past 1354 01:05:42,835 --> 01:05:45,872 "where the Time Vortex of the Ancients can work. 1355 01:05:45,907 --> 01:05:46,735 "Only here." 1356 01:05:48,185 --> 01:05:50,015 And Spock, very scientific, says, 1357 01:05:51,016 --> 01:05:52,534 "Can you give us a demonstration? 1358 01:05:52,569 --> 01:05:54,881 "Is that possible?" 1359 01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:58,368 And the Guardian's answer is oddly tinged 1360 01:05:58,402 --> 01:06:00,922 with weariness and yet pleasure. 1361 01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:03,338 And he says, 1362 01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:06,997 "Time is weary for the craftsman 1363 01:06:07,032 --> 01:06:09,586 "who cannot demonstrate his craft." 1364 01:06:12,934 --> 01:06:14,453 - Can I feel your goiter? 1365 01:06:14,487 --> 01:06:15,316 - Yeah, feel my goiter. 1366 01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:16,179 Go ahead. 1367 01:06:17,456 --> 01:06:18,733 - Oh, that's vile. 1368 01:06:18,767 --> 01:06:20,459 - Isn't that vile? - That's vile. 1369 01:06:22,426 --> 01:06:23,910 - Major disgusting. 1370 01:06:23,945 --> 01:06:25,982 - This is just a disgusting place to work. 1371 01:06:26,016 --> 01:06:28,191 - I dropped a piece of sausage on the floor. 1372 01:06:28,225 --> 01:06:29,606 I feel like a schmuck. 1373 01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:32,195 - Ew. 1374 01:06:32,229 --> 01:06:33,265 Ew, does that feel good? 1375 01:06:34,231 --> 01:06:35,439 You like that? You like that? 1376 01:06:36,785 --> 01:06:37,959 - Palping my podge. 1377 01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:44,483 I write a very explanatory visual script. 1378 01:06:44,517 --> 01:06:47,624 I am not a believer in writing master scenes 1379 01:06:47,658 --> 01:06:49,419 and leaving everything up to everybody else. 1380 01:06:49,453 --> 01:06:51,869 When they hire me to write a movie or a TV show, 1381 01:06:51,904 --> 01:06:53,078 I write what I see. 1382 01:06:53,112 --> 01:06:56,805 I run the movie in my head and I describe it. 1383 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,360 The camera shots, the music, everything. 1384 01:06:59,394 --> 01:07:02,121 I spent a page and a half, in this script, 1385 01:07:02,156 --> 01:07:05,538 describing what the main saloon looks like, 1386 01:07:05,573 --> 01:07:08,162 and I described it in detail. 1387 01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:09,163 I described the plants. 1388 01:07:09,197 --> 01:07:10,785 I described the furniture. 1389 01:07:10,819 --> 01:07:15,341 I said, this is a ship filled with crap furniture 1390 01:07:15,376 --> 01:07:16,584 that came from thrift shops, 1391 01:07:16,618 --> 01:07:17,999 and the clothes everybody wears 1392 01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:21,589 are from all periods of American history, 1393 01:07:21,623 --> 01:07:23,832 all the way back to the '30s for God's sakes. 1394 01:07:23,867 --> 01:07:27,008 And I'm looking at the character 1395 01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:29,321 that appears in the scene that I'm doing today, 1396 01:07:29,355 --> 01:07:31,737 and I had very specifically said, 1397 01:07:31,771 --> 01:07:35,844 this is a 13, 14, 15-year-old cheerleader. 1398 01:07:35,879 --> 01:07:37,191 This is a little girl. 1399 01:07:37,225 --> 01:07:39,779 Little slim, gymnast girl. 1400 01:07:39,814 --> 01:07:41,781 And the only thing about it is she's very, very pretty, 1401 01:07:41,816 --> 01:07:43,300 except she's only got one eye, 1402 01:07:43,335 --> 01:07:46,579 this one gigantic eye in the middle of her head. 1403 01:07:46,614 --> 01:07:51,067 And I looked at the design that the costume designer had up 1404 01:07:51,101 --> 01:07:54,656 and it was some kind of weird flowing schmata, 1405 01:07:55,795 --> 01:07:59,109 which is a Yiddish word meaning schmata. 1406 01:07:59,144 --> 01:08:00,628 And-- 1407 01:08:00,662 --> 01:08:02,008 - I think it's Yiddish for not a cheerleader outfit. 1408 01:08:02,043 --> 01:08:03,217 - Not a cheerleader outfit. 1409 01:08:03,251 --> 01:08:04,735 I said, this is not a cheerleader outfit. 1410 01:08:04,770 --> 01:08:08,049 She said, "Well I thought," and I do not want to hear that. 1411 01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,087 At that moment, my creative instincts 1412 01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:13,675 override common civility, and I said to her, 1413 01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:15,988 no, no, no, you don't think, 1414 01:08:16,022 --> 01:08:19,025 you give me what I ask for because I'm God! 1415 01:08:37,458 --> 01:08:42,394 I knew my film career was over the night I saw The Oscar. 1416 01:08:42,428 --> 01:08:43,671 I practically wept. 1417 01:08:43,705 --> 01:08:47,502 - Hollywood's biggest star, The Oscar. 1418 01:08:51,955 --> 01:08:55,407 - You're gonna be a very important man in this town. 1419 01:08:55,441 --> 01:08:58,513 I scratch your back, you scratch mine. 1420 01:08:58,548 --> 01:09:01,551 - And as I saw this film on which I had worked for a year, 1421 01:09:01,585 --> 01:09:04,726 I said, this is the end of my feature film career. 1422 01:09:05,762 --> 01:09:07,419 And I got one or two more jobs 1423 01:09:07,453 --> 01:09:10,663 because the film was just opening and I was the hot writer. 1424 01:09:10,698 --> 01:09:12,424 My 15 minutes went like that 1425 01:09:12,458 --> 01:09:13,701 and I never regained it. 1426 01:09:13,735 --> 01:09:15,461 I never went back to feature films. 1427 01:09:15,496 --> 01:09:17,567 - Listen, Buster, when somebody dates me, 1428 01:09:17,601 --> 01:09:20,259 they better know that I require a lot of attention. 1429 01:09:23,814 --> 01:09:25,230 - That oughta get you some attention. 1430 01:09:26,748 --> 01:09:29,303 - Did you know from the rushes that The Oscar 1431 01:09:29,337 --> 01:09:30,442 was gonna be what it was? - I never saw the rushes. 1432 01:09:30,476 --> 01:09:31,719 Never saw the rushes. 1433 01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:33,859 They would not let me see one moment of it. 1434 01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:37,483 I wrote the film for Steve McQueen and Peter Falk, 1435 01:09:37,518 --> 01:09:41,004 both of whom were just beginning on the rise in their career 1436 01:09:41,038 --> 01:09:42,247 and I knew how great they were. 1437 01:09:42,281 --> 01:09:45,560 And they cast Stephen Boyd and Tony Bennett 1438 01:09:45,595 --> 01:09:47,079 in his only acting role. 1439 01:09:47,113 --> 01:09:50,082 And he's a nice man, but the poor soul, he cannot act. 1440 01:09:50,116 --> 01:09:52,118 He hasn't got this much acting ability. 1441 01:09:52,153 --> 01:09:54,293 He's a great performer, he's a great singer, 1442 01:09:54,328 --> 01:09:55,329 not that much acting ability. 1443 01:09:55,363 --> 01:09:57,193 - What happened to me?! 1444 01:09:57,227 --> 01:09:58,366 When did I die?! 1445 01:09:58,401 --> 01:10:00,437 When did I get buried inside you?! 1446 01:10:00,472 --> 01:10:02,301 - It gets a half a star. 1447 01:10:02,336 --> 01:10:03,820 A half a fucking star. 1448 01:10:03,854 --> 01:10:07,444 And it's always in the hundred worst movies or 50 worst. 1449 01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,653 Wouldn't matter if they did the 20 worst movies, 1450 01:10:09,688 --> 01:10:11,655 it would be one of them. 1451 01:10:47,139 --> 01:10:50,107 Many of you have grown up in a time when you think 1452 01:10:50,142 --> 01:10:51,592 that just because you want something, 1453 01:10:51,626 --> 01:10:53,973 you're entitled to fucking have it! 1454 01:10:54,008 --> 01:10:54,905 No, folks. 1455 01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:57,218 It's called paying for it. 1456 01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:58,702 That's how people live. 1457 01:11:00,394 --> 01:11:01,878 - No, it isn't just information. 1458 01:11:01,912 --> 01:11:04,501 It's like the old thing of it's very special information 1459 01:11:04,536 --> 01:11:07,849 put out by a very special person and it should be protected. 1460 01:11:07,884 --> 01:11:10,300 And he should be compensated in some way, 1461 01:11:10,335 --> 01:11:12,923 at least, even in the simplest way of all, 1462 01:11:12,958 --> 01:11:15,857 being acknowledged, saying, yeah, he wrote this. 1463 01:11:16,824 --> 01:11:18,308 - You want your music? 1464 01:11:18,343 --> 01:11:19,758 Buy your music! 1465 01:11:19,792 --> 01:11:20,862 Go and buy it! 1466 01:11:21,932 --> 01:11:23,071 You want my books? 1467 01:11:23,106 --> 01:11:24,314 Put your hand down, I'm on a roll. 1468 01:11:24,349 --> 01:11:26,074 You don't wanna get in front of me now. 1469 01:11:27,352 --> 01:11:28,767 Really, you don't wanna get in front of me now. 1470 01:11:28,801 --> 01:11:29,975 It's like walking in the front of a McCormick thresher, 1471 01:11:30,009 --> 01:11:30,838 Sonny Jim. 1472 01:11:32,322 --> 01:11:34,151 Well, the ground rules for me now 1473 01:11:35,463 --> 01:11:37,500 make it almost impossible for me to be hired. 1474 01:11:37,534 --> 01:11:38,811 I ain't gonna go through it anymore. 1475 01:11:38,846 --> 01:11:41,089 I'm just not gonna go through it. 1476 01:11:41,124 --> 01:11:44,645 Producers, studios, production companies, no matter... 1477 01:11:45,922 --> 01:11:47,510 They probably don't beat their children, 1478 01:11:47,544 --> 01:11:49,374 they wouldn't think of running over a dog, 1479 01:11:49,408 --> 01:11:52,377 they treat writers like chattel 1480 01:11:52,411 --> 01:11:54,413 and we're absolutely dispensable 1481 01:11:54,448 --> 01:11:56,898 once they have gotten what they want out of us, 1482 01:11:56,933 --> 01:11:57,830 which is a script. 1483 01:11:57,865 --> 01:11:59,073 Until they get the script, 1484 01:11:59,107 --> 01:12:01,834 man, they just are the most sycophantic 1485 01:12:01,869 --> 01:12:03,940 brown nosers you've ever seen. 1486 01:12:03,974 --> 01:12:07,323 Once they get those pages in their hands, 1487 01:12:07,357 --> 01:12:09,325 you could be hit by a Peterbilt 1488 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:10,878 and they wouldn't give a fuck. 1489 01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:14,468 And then they feel it's theirs, 1490 01:12:14,502 --> 01:12:15,607 they can do whatever they want. 1491 01:12:15,641 --> 01:12:18,057 And here comes a director, a year later, 1492 01:12:18,092 --> 01:12:19,300 and says, "Well, I see it this way 1493 01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,095 "and I see this and I see that." 1494 01:12:21,129 --> 01:12:22,096 Fuck you! 1495 01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:23,097 You wanna get your vision? 1496 01:12:23,131 --> 01:12:24,754 You write the goddamn script. 1497 01:12:24,788 --> 01:12:27,066 Where were you when the page was blank? 1498 01:12:27,101 --> 01:12:29,206 - Yeah, it's like a skin graft on a leper. 1499 01:12:30,587 --> 01:12:34,833 He's always there trying to bring quality, you know? 1500 01:12:34,867 --> 01:12:35,765 He's always been about that. 1501 01:12:35,799 --> 01:12:37,491 When he wrote The Glass Teat, 1502 01:12:37,525 --> 01:12:39,803 it was a great criticism of the death of television 1503 01:12:39,838 --> 01:12:41,529 and the transformation of television 1504 01:12:41,564 --> 01:12:44,877 into a medium versus media, 1505 01:12:44,912 --> 01:12:46,051 something that can transform 1506 01:12:46,085 --> 01:12:48,571 versus something that just to conform. 1507 01:12:48,605 --> 01:12:52,091 - There are people who would sit and watch them drag books 1508 01:12:52,126 --> 01:12:54,646 out of libraries and burn them in piles in the streets, 1509 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,270 they would stand and watch old ladies mugged to death 1510 01:12:58,304 --> 01:13:00,617 by street gangs and they would not lift a finger, 1511 01:13:00,652 --> 01:13:02,170 but if you were to take their TV away from them, 1512 01:13:02,205 --> 01:13:03,655 they would be on the steps of city hall 1513 01:13:03,689 --> 01:13:07,175 with pitchforks and pump shotguns in five minutes. 1514 01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:08,798 That is because nobody likes 1515 01:13:08,832 --> 01:13:10,938 their dope taken away from them. 1516 01:13:10,972 --> 01:13:12,940 And that's what TV is, it's dope. 1517 01:13:12,974 --> 01:13:14,251 We went up to Fresno last weekend. 1518 01:13:14,286 --> 01:13:15,977 We stopped in a couple of roadside places, 1519 01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:17,772 and all of them had the TV set on. 1520 01:13:17,807 --> 01:13:19,153 Nobody watching! 1521 01:13:19,187 --> 01:13:20,948 But the goddamn TV set going. 1522 01:13:20,982 --> 01:13:22,398 And when you say, "Would you mind turning off the TV?" 1523 01:13:22,432 --> 01:13:24,089 They say, "Why?" 1524 01:13:24,123 --> 01:13:25,815 'Cause it's making noise and it's disturbing me, 1525 01:13:25,849 --> 01:13:27,437 and there's no one else in the restaurant 1526 01:13:27,472 --> 01:13:29,370 and I'm your customer. 1527 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:30,578 Can you handle that? 1528 01:13:30,613 --> 01:13:33,650 And they look at you as if you have just said 1529 01:13:33,685 --> 01:13:38,068 their grandmother was butt fucked by Adolf Hitler. 1530 01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:42,521 They simply feel imposed upon 1531 01:13:42,556 --> 01:13:45,973 if you remove that giant tit from their mouth. 1532 01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:48,147 Well, people are stupid 1533 01:13:48,182 --> 01:13:50,702 because they've got the handmaiden of television. 1534 01:13:50,736 --> 01:13:51,979 Television is not like movies. 1535 01:13:52,013 --> 01:13:53,221 Television is not like books. 1536 01:13:53,256 --> 01:13:55,431 Television is not like anything but television. 1537 01:13:55,465 --> 01:13:57,018 It gives you everything. 1538 01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:58,572 I think it's ironic that you probably, 1539 01:13:58,606 --> 01:14:01,747 whoever ever sees this will be seeing it on a TV screen. 1540 01:14:01,782 --> 01:14:04,060 I doubt that they'll be seeing it on a big movie screen. 1541 01:14:04,094 --> 01:14:05,233 And maybe it'll be a cassette, 1542 01:14:05,268 --> 01:14:07,581 but they'll be watching it on a TV screen. 1543 01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:09,168 It gives you that. 1544 01:14:09,203 --> 01:14:10,204 It's not like radio. 1545 01:14:10,238 --> 01:14:11,964 Radio is wonderful. 1546 01:14:11,999 --> 01:14:14,277 Radio, you create it in your mind, and you can see it. 1547 01:14:14,311 --> 01:14:16,935 You can make it just as colorful and as smart 1548 01:14:16,969 --> 01:14:20,594 and as opulent as you wish it to be. 1549 01:14:20,628 --> 01:14:22,596 On television, that's it. 1550 01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,046 That's what you get, and that's the whole thing. 1551 01:14:26,254 --> 01:14:27,704 This means you don't have to work for it. 1552 01:14:27,739 --> 01:14:30,120 You can sit there like the couch potato, and that's it. 1553 01:14:30,155 --> 01:14:33,123 You gotta have a good thumb and that's about it. 1554 01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:34,539 That's one reason people are stupid. 1555 01:14:34,573 --> 01:14:36,195 They just are not using their brains. 1556 01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:38,370 You don't use a muscle, it atrophies. 1557 01:14:39,336 --> 01:14:41,546 Susan, my wife, and I, 1558 01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:43,409 one night we were going somewhere. 1559 01:14:43,444 --> 01:14:44,894 We were channel surfing. 1560 01:14:44,928 --> 01:14:46,309 We were going somewhere, I don't know where it was, 1561 01:14:46,343 --> 01:14:49,312 and we wound up, for some inexplicable reason, we paused, 1562 01:14:49,346 --> 01:14:50,555 I don't know why, we paused 1563 01:14:50,589 --> 01:14:53,178 and were watching The Weakest Link. 1564 01:14:53,212 --> 01:14:55,767 Now, if this is, in fact, turned into a film, 1565 01:14:55,801 --> 01:14:57,596 and 20 years from now, someone's looking at it, 1566 01:14:57,631 --> 01:14:59,425 they'll say, "What was The Weakest Link?" 1567 01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:01,427 Weakest Link is a television show 1568 01:15:01,462 --> 01:15:05,846 in which they have people who are brought in as contestants. 1569 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,607 I think they are tested on their DNA. 1570 01:15:08,642 --> 01:15:11,403 And if their intellectual level falls below seven 1571 01:15:11,437 --> 01:15:14,544 or that of an ocelo sponge mop, they become a contestant. 1572 01:15:14,579 --> 01:15:16,166 If you actually know anything, 1573 01:15:16,201 --> 01:15:18,686 you cannot possibly win a dime on this goddamn show 1574 01:15:18,721 --> 01:15:21,413 because you are surrounded by people 1575 01:15:21,447 --> 01:15:24,140 who have the intellectual level of a marmoset. 1576 01:15:25,210 --> 01:15:29,041 So, one of the people who was , 1577 01:15:29,076 --> 01:15:30,905 she weathered the first couple of rounds, I guess. 1578 01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:32,907 And here she was standing there, 1579 01:15:32,942 --> 01:15:35,013 and she was a very well turned out young woman, 1580 01:15:35,047 --> 01:15:37,153 about 25, I would say. 1581 01:15:37,187 --> 01:15:39,811 And the question that was asked of her was this: 1582 01:15:39,845 --> 01:15:42,952 What S, 1583 01:15:42,986 --> 01:15:45,989 letter S, what S who was a star 1584 01:15:46,024 --> 01:15:49,855 of Lawrence of Arabia wrote a long a running, 1585 01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:52,271 award-winning bridge column? 1586 01:15:52,306 --> 01:15:55,309 Well, okay, it's not a terribly obscure 1587 01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,552 piece of information. 1588 01:15:56,586 --> 01:15:57,691 I know some of you know it. 1589 01:15:57,725 --> 01:15:59,209 I know you know it. 1590 01:15:59,244 --> 01:16:02,109 But even if you don't know that it was Omar Sharif, 1591 01:16:02,143 --> 01:16:04,801 her answer was Naomi Campbell. 1592 01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:08,460 Now, this is wrong in so many ways 1593 01:16:08,494 --> 01:16:11,014 that Susan and I sat there 1594 01:16:11,049 --> 01:16:14,431 with a hypertension buzz running through our head, 1595 01:16:14,466 --> 01:16:17,987 as if we had stuck our hand into a generator. 1596 01:16:18,021 --> 01:16:20,990 A, there's no S in Naomi Campbell. 1597 01:16:22,716 --> 01:16:25,063 B, or two, whichever I started with, 1598 01:16:25,097 --> 01:16:26,996 Naomi Campbell wasn't even born 1599 01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:29,067 when Lawrence of Arabia was made. 1600 01:16:29,101 --> 01:16:32,277 Three, Naomi Campbell is a supermodel 1601 01:16:32,311 --> 01:16:33,519 who can barely write her name. 1602 01:16:33,554 --> 01:16:35,142 She may be the nicest person in the world. 1603 01:16:35,176 --> 01:16:36,626 She wouldn't bite the head off a chicken. 1604 01:16:36,661 --> 01:16:38,041 But Naomi Campbell has never written 1605 01:16:38,076 --> 01:16:39,733 a column or anything else. 1606 01:16:39,767 --> 01:16:43,564 And this answer was so stupid, was so wrong, 1607 01:16:43,599 --> 01:16:46,809 was so illiterate, so culturally devoid 1608 01:16:46,843 --> 01:16:50,847 of any resonance at all that around this house, 1609 01:16:50,882 --> 01:16:53,056 it now became the answer to every question. 1610 01:16:53,091 --> 01:16:54,989 What was the name of the ship that struck an iceberg 1611 01:16:55,024 --> 01:16:56,059 in the North Atlantic and sank? 1612 01:16:56,094 --> 01:16:57,267 The Naomi Campbell. 1613 01:16:57,302 --> 01:16:58,752 Who was it who discovered radium? 1614 01:16:58,786 --> 01:16:59,994 Naomi Campbell. 1615 01:17:00,029 --> 01:17:01,375 Name the third president of the United States. 1616 01:17:01,409 --> 01:17:02,859 Naomi Campbell. 1617 01:17:02,894 --> 01:17:05,068 Naomi Campbell is now the answer in our household. 1618 01:17:05,103 --> 01:17:06,656 Whenever we wanna sound like 1619 01:17:06,691 --> 01:17:10,280 an absolute gibbering orangutan, we use Naomi Campbell. 1620 01:17:11,903 --> 01:17:13,456 Hey, Sue! 1621 01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:14,319 Susan! 1622 01:17:15,527 --> 01:17:16,666 Susan! 1623 01:17:16,701 --> 01:17:18,219 - Yeah?! 1624 01:17:18,254 --> 01:17:20,601 - Would you bring the hat and the glasses, please?! 1625 01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:21,637 - Okay, okay. 1626 01:17:21,671 --> 01:17:23,259 - Thank you, Susan! 1627 01:17:25,123 --> 01:17:26,918 Stay with me. Come on over here. 1628 01:17:26,952 --> 01:17:31,060 Over here, never get within, never get outside, like that. 1629 01:17:31,888 --> 01:17:33,476 You strange woman, you. 1630 01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:35,720 - Well, let's get a closeup of that udder of yours. 1631 01:17:35,754 --> 01:17:36,755 - Oh my. - Let's get a copy 1632 01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:37,825 of the happy loving couple now. 1633 01:17:39,862 --> 01:17:41,001 - Hey. 1634 01:17:41,035 --> 01:17:41,967 - There we are. 1635 01:17:42,002 --> 01:17:43,451 Stop that, I got a better idea. 1636 01:17:43,486 --> 01:17:44,625 Put your arm around her. 1637 01:17:44,660 --> 01:17:45,730 Act like you love him. 1638 01:17:48,146 --> 01:17:49,112 - No! 1639 01:17:49,147 --> 01:17:51,459 - There you go. 1640 01:17:51,494 --> 01:17:52,495 - Kiss? 1641 01:17:52,529 --> 01:17:53,979 - It's my wife. 1642 01:17:54,014 --> 01:17:56,119 It is my wife, this is my honey over here. 1643 01:17:57,742 --> 01:17:59,744 In every human being there is only 1644 01:18:00,745 --> 01:18:02,781 so large a supply of love. 1645 01:18:04,231 --> 01:18:06,958 It's like the limbs of a starfish, to some extent: 1646 01:18:06,992 --> 01:18:10,651 if you chew off a chunk, it'll grow back. 1647 01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:14,068 But if you chew off too much, the starfish dies. 1648 01:18:15,207 --> 01:18:17,727 Valerie B chewed off a chunk of love 1649 01:18:17,762 --> 01:18:19,936 from my dwindling reserve, 1650 01:18:19,971 --> 01:18:24,803 a reserve already nibbled by Charlotte and Lori and Sherri 1651 01:18:24,838 --> 01:18:29,843 and Cindy and others down through the years. 1652 01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:31,914 There's still enough to make 1653 01:18:31,948 --> 01:18:34,606 a saleable appearance of a whole creature, 1654 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,126 but nobody gets gnawed on that way 1655 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,541 without becoming a little dead. 1656 01:18:38,575 --> 01:18:43,442 So, if Cupid, that perverted little motherfucker, 1657 01:18:44,547 --> 01:18:46,169 decides his lightning ought to strike 1658 01:18:46,204 --> 01:18:48,585 this gnarly tree trunk again, 1659 01:18:48,620 --> 01:18:51,209 whomever or whatever gets me, 1660 01:18:51,243 --> 01:18:54,281 is going to get a handy second, 1661 01:18:55,144 --> 01:18:57,249 damaged goods, 1662 01:18:57,284 --> 01:19:00,356 something a little dead and a little crippled. 1663 01:19:00,390 --> 01:19:01,633 Having learned that, 1664 01:19:03,221 --> 01:19:07,328 all I can advise is an impossible stance for all of you: 1665 01:19:07,363 --> 01:19:11,781 utter openness and reasonable caution. 1666 01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,024 Don't close yourself off, 1667 01:19:13,058 --> 01:19:16,924 but jeezus, be careful of monsters with teeth. 1668 01:19:16,959 --> 01:19:18,477 I just hope you'll know what they look like 1669 01:19:18,512 --> 01:19:20,756 when they come clanking after you. 1670 01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:22,447 The package is so pretty, 1671 01:19:22,481 --> 01:19:26,278 one can only urge you to remember Pandora. 1672 01:19:26,313 --> 01:19:29,419 Be careful which boxes you open, troops. 1673 01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:35,632 - What's the most embarrassing thing Harlan has done 1674 01:19:35,667 --> 01:19:36,599 in front of you or to you? 1675 01:19:36,633 --> 01:19:37,565 Oh, sorry. - Okay. 1676 01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:41,466 He threw me out of the house naked once. 1677 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:43,433 - She makes his demons go away. 1678 01:19:43,468 --> 01:19:46,471 They are an incredible couple and she keeps up with him, 1679 01:19:46,505 --> 01:19:48,680 and she takes no shit from him, 1680 01:19:48,714 --> 01:19:50,924 and I've watched her take no shit from him. 1681 01:19:54,859 --> 01:19:55,825 And they work. 1682 01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:57,137 - And I happened to be naked. 1683 01:19:57,171 --> 01:19:59,691 All my stories end up with me naked. 1684 01:19:59,725 --> 01:20:01,244 - Those are the best. 1685 01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:03,108 - She's the gift. 1686 01:20:03,143 --> 01:20:04,213 She is his... 1687 01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:06,318 It's more than you could say 1688 01:20:06,353 --> 01:20:07,837 behind every great man is a great behind, 1689 01:20:07,872 --> 01:20:09,321 and she does have a beautiful ass, 1690 01:20:09,356 --> 01:20:11,289 and I know Harlan knows that. 1691 01:20:11,323 --> 01:20:14,154 But you just see her and she's a light. 1692 01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:15,983 She is the light to his dark. 1693 01:20:16,018 --> 01:20:17,157 - He threw me out of the house. 1694 01:20:17,191 --> 01:20:18,192 I was completely naked, locked-- 1695 01:20:18,227 --> 01:20:19,159 - Front door or backdoor? 1696 01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:20,608 - Front door, of course. - Oh. 1697 01:20:20,643 --> 01:20:21,678 - Oh, is-- - Oh, all the neighbors 1698 01:20:21,713 --> 01:20:22,748 right there. - And it's one of those 1699 01:20:22,783 --> 01:20:24,267 where you're out naked-- - Daylight? 1700 01:20:24,302 --> 01:20:25,544 - Daylight. - You know those stained glass 1701 01:20:25,579 --> 01:20:26,856 windows on either side of our door? 1702 01:20:26,891 --> 01:20:27,823 - Yeah. 1703 01:20:27,857 --> 01:20:29,169 - So we're wrestling around 1704 01:20:30,895 --> 01:20:33,863 and I said, ah, fuck this, and I just put her outside. 1705 01:20:33,898 --> 01:20:35,037 And she was naked. 1706 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:39,938 This is the height of decorum, this woman. 1707 01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:41,560 We're talking here, someone who just, 1708 01:20:41,595 --> 01:20:44,080 and she's banging on the door, and screaming, 1709 01:20:44,115 --> 01:20:46,565 "Let me in, let me in!" 1710 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,257 And I'm saying-- - Wait, you forget. 1711 01:20:48,291 --> 01:20:49,568 We live on a quiet street. 1712 01:20:49,603 --> 01:20:51,881 It's at that moment that a herd of people 1713 01:20:51,916 --> 01:20:54,297 came marching down the hill. - Oh, my god! 1714 01:20:54,332 --> 01:20:55,574 - Yeah. 1715 01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:57,231 Most of whom were Jehovah's Witnesses. 1716 01:20:57,266 --> 01:20:59,268 - Did they offer you a copy of Watchtower or Awake? 1717 01:20:59,302 --> 01:21:00,476 Have you heard the word 1718 01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:01,960 of God that day? 1719 01:21:01,995 --> 01:21:03,720 - Oh, I heard the word of god that day. 1720 01:21:03,755 --> 01:21:05,239 - I don't know if you sit down and discuss that 1721 01:21:05,274 --> 01:21:07,552 when you get married, "we're going to behave this way," 1722 01:21:07,586 --> 01:21:09,209 or if it just evolves, 1723 01:21:09,243 --> 01:21:11,383 but I think the short version is that Harlan and Susan 1724 01:21:11,418 --> 01:21:13,385 know each other and they get each other, 1725 01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:15,940 and more than almost anybody I've ever seen, 1726 01:21:15,974 --> 01:21:20,876 and it's amazing to watch. 1727 01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:22,084 It's inspiring. 1728 01:21:22,118 --> 01:21:23,775 It gives me faith in the human heart. 1729 01:21:25,397 --> 01:21:28,090 - To Nick without strings. 1730 01:21:28,124 --> 01:21:29,470 - Awesome. 1731 01:21:29,505 --> 01:21:30,920 - No, no, no, no, no. 1732 01:21:30,955 --> 01:21:32,577 Awesome would be Grand Canyon. 1733 01:21:32,611 --> 01:21:33,750 - Oh, okay. 1734 01:21:33,785 --> 01:21:35,925 - Awesome is the greater Magellanic Cloud. 1735 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,411 A cheese quesadilla and my signature are not awesome. 1736 01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:40,792 Would you use the word properly? 1737 01:21:40,826 --> 01:21:42,000 Your mother brought you up right. 1738 01:21:42,035 --> 01:21:43,519 You went to college. - Yes, all right. 1739 01:21:43,553 --> 01:21:45,762 - You're an intellectual, you read a book a week, or more. 1740 01:21:45,797 --> 01:21:48,041 - So, sufficient? 1741 01:21:48,075 --> 01:21:50,767 - Sufficient, adequate, mundane. 1742 01:21:52,631 --> 01:21:55,393 - The only time I ever heard him not talk, 1743 01:21:55,427 --> 01:21:56,808 not answer a question, 1744 01:21:56,842 --> 01:21:59,638 was down in Florida and there was a panel, 1745 01:21:59,673 --> 01:22:02,814 and they asked four big writers on stage: 1746 01:22:02,848 --> 01:22:04,816 How will posterity treat you? 1747 01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:06,887 And do you think about it a lot? 1748 01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:08,958 And he just passed, he didn't answer. 1749 01:22:08,993 --> 01:22:10,235 And then later, in private, 1750 01:22:10,270 --> 01:22:12,134 he said that he thinks about it constantly. 1751 01:22:12,168 --> 01:22:13,721 He's interested about what his legacy, 1752 01:22:13,756 --> 01:22:15,758 his literary legacy will be. 1753 01:22:15,792 --> 01:22:18,105 And I think the very serious writers 1754 01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:19,244 feel that way, and he does. 1755 01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:20,970 He just doesn't talk about it. 1756 01:22:21,005 --> 01:22:22,661 So I think his work will last. 1757 01:22:26,769 --> 01:22:28,288 But we never know, do we? 1758 01:22:28,322 --> 01:22:29,841 Otherwise, we'd all be in the literature section 1759 01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:31,325 of this bookstore. 1760 01:22:32,878 --> 01:22:34,466 - I remember Steve McQueen saying to me, 1761 01:22:34,501 --> 01:22:36,779 we were sitting out on the patio of his house 1762 01:22:36,813 --> 01:22:38,781 up in the high desert, long time ago, 1763 01:22:38,815 --> 01:22:39,989 of course it was a long time ago 1764 01:22:40,024 --> 01:22:41,163 'cause he's been dead a number of years, 1765 01:22:41,197 --> 01:22:44,787 and Steve said, "I have this recurring dream 1766 01:22:44,821 --> 01:22:46,547 "where I'm wakened in the dead of night 1767 01:22:46,582 --> 01:22:48,066 "by this pounding on the door. 1768 01:22:48,101 --> 01:22:51,242 "And when I go downstairs, there's a guy standing there, 1769 01:22:51,276 --> 01:22:52,484 "and he said, 'It was all a mistake. 1770 01:22:52,519 --> 01:22:53,727 "'You weren't supposed to get any of this, 1771 01:22:53,761 --> 01:22:55,280 "'not the wife, not the house, not the career, 1772 01:22:55,315 --> 01:22:57,938 "'not the cars, not the motorcycle, none of it. 1773 01:22:57,973 --> 01:23:00,113 "'It belongs to the guy next door. 1774 01:23:00,147 --> 01:23:01,666 "'And we've come to take it all away from you.'" 1775 01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:03,944 And I've heard this from other writers. 1776 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:08,086 But when you're a writer, you work for what you get. 1777 01:23:08,121 --> 01:23:10,813 You actually, you... 1778 01:23:10,847 --> 01:23:13,850 Foot pounds of energy are expended to produce each story. 1779 01:23:13,885 --> 01:23:16,715 So, you should by rights, like a farmer, 1780 01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:20,029 feel proud of that field of corn. 1781 01:23:20,064 --> 01:23:22,445 Or like a bricklayer, you should feel proud 1782 01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,861 of that well-laid line of bricks. 1783 01:23:24,896 --> 01:23:27,209 But, for some reason, 1784 01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,316 I suppose because we feel that the talent 1785 01:23:31,351 --> 01:23:35,734 is only something that we carry around with us, 1786 01:23:35,769 --> 01:23:37,874 that it hag rides us, 1787 01:23:40,153 --> 01:23:45,158 we as human beings, however many I include in this group, 1788 01:23:46,297 --> 01:23:48,920 are simply not worthy of the approbation. 1789 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,096 - Action! 1790 01:23:53,545 --> 01:23:54,753 - Why are you talking tuchus? 1791 01:23:54,788 --> 01:23:55,651 Why are you talking tuchus? 1792 01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:56,997 What are you a pervert? 1793 01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:58,930 This is a child we are talking about. 1794 01:23:58,964 --> 01:24:00,138 I don't know why-- 1795 01:24:00,173 --> 01:24:01,070 - Yeah, so what? - Not to mention, 1796 01:24:01,105 --> 01:24:02,347 you're an ugly man as well. 1797 01:24:02,382 --> 01:24:03,762 - Well, I don't know, but I can still do it. 1798 01:24:03,797 --> 01:24:04,936 - Yeah! - Yeah, yeah. 1799 01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:05,764 - Work with that. - Ken Kramer 1800 01:24:05,799 --> 01:24:07,145 and Mr. Harlan Ellison! 1801 01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:08,008 - Yes, okay! 1802 01:24:08,043 --> 01:24:08,940 - Oy! - Oy! 1803 01:24:08,974 --> 01:24:09,906 - Oy. - Oy vey! 1804 01:24:09,941 --> 01:24:12,081 - Oy vey! 1805 01:24:12,116 --> 01:24:13,082 Can I go home now, mother? 1806 01:24:13,117 --> 01:24:14,187 - Well played. 1807 01:24:14,221 --> 01:24:15,222 - They'll cut us out. 1808 01:24:15,257 --> 01:24:16,292 We'll be cut out. 1809 01:24:17,742 --> 01:24:22,195 There's a fundamentalist minister, marvelous, marvelous guy, 1810 01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:27,131 who is doing this huge, for his doctorate in theology, 1811 01:24:27,165 --> 01:24:29,340 on me and on my fiction. 1812 01:24:29,374 --> 01:24:31,963 And he says that I "have an atheist message 1813 01:24:31,997 --> 01:24:35,725 "of righteousness that fundamentalist Christians 1814 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,005 "should not be ignoring, but then I say the same thing." 1815 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,042 The story of mine that was picked 1816 01:24:42,077 --> 01:24:43,595 for the best American short stories is called 1817 01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:47,427 The Man Who Rowed Christopher Columbus Ashore. 1818 01:24:47,461 --> 01:24:50,740 And it's my atheist tract, 1819 01:24:50,775 --> 01:24:54,503 and its says the universe is neither malign nor benign. 1820 01:24:54,537 --> 01:24:56,125 It doesn't even know we're here. 1821 01:24:57,264 --> 01:24:58,265 See, first of all, I've got to tell you. 1822 01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:59,473 I was raised a Jew. 1823 01:24:59,508 --> 01:25:00,923 I am an atheist. 1824 01:25:00,957 --> 01:25:02,442 I'm not an agnostic, not one of those wusses that says, 1825 01:25:02,476 --> 01:25:03,960 "Well, maybe," you know? 1826 01:25:05,203 --> 01:25:08,103 If there were a god, by now, she'd have hit me 1827 01:25:08,137 --> 01:25:11,313 with a bolt of lightning in the ass, long since. 1828 01:25:11,347 --> 01:25:12,452 So I am an atheist. 1829 01:25:12,486 --> 01:25:14,488 I'm a card carrying, fully bound, 1830 01:25:14,523 --> 01:25:16,973 right out there atheist, okay? 1831 01:25:17,008 --> 01:25:17,905 Okay. 1832 01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:18,941 And I know most of you are too, 1833 01:25:18,975 --> 01:25:20,356 but you don't want to cop to it 1834 01:25:20,391 --> 01:25:21,599 because you're afraid everybody else's gonna say, 1835 01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:23,152 "Don't you believe in the Second Coming?" 1836 01:25:23,187 --> 01:25:24,740 I don't even believe in first fucking coming. 1837 01:25:26,673 --> 01:25:29,365 I find nothing more ridiculous and annoying 1838 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,367 than some guy who runs a hundred yards, 1839 01:25:32,644 --> 01:25:37,270 runs a kick off back 105 yards from the end zone 1840 01:25:37,304 --> 01:25:40,031 and drops to his knees and thanks God. 1841 01:25:40,065 --> 01:25:41,377 Well, that's foolish. 1842 01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:43,103 God didn't do it, he did it, 1843 01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:44,587 because if God did that for him, 1844 01:25:44,622 --> 01:25:46,831 you mean God was against the other team? 1845 01:25:46,865 --> 01:25:48,315 God is that mean-spirited 1846 01:25:48,350 --> 01:25:50,041 that he has nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon 1847 01:25:50,075 --> 01:25:53,148 than beat the crap out of a bunch of poor football players? 1848 01:25:53,182 --> 01:25:54,528 I don't perceive of the universe being run by 1849 01:25:54,563 --> 01:25:56,289 that kind of a god. 1850 01:25:57,428 --> 01:25:58,739 I go with Mark Twain. 1851 01:26:00,189 --> 01:26:01,777 One of the great quotes of my life is Mark Twain, 1852 01:26:01,811 --> 01:26:03,951 when I discovered, it's from Letters from the Earth. 1853 01:26:03,986 --> 01:26:06,368 And I first read it I said, oh, thank heavens, 1854 01:26:06,402 --> 01:26:08,577 there was somebody who thought the way I think. 1855 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,736 Osama bin Laden and his crew of degenerate thugs 1856 01:26:29,770 --> 01:26:33,291 and Jerry Falwell and his coterie of sicko, pervo, freakos, 1857 01:26:33,326 --> 01:26:36,121 with Pat playing the gabby hey sidekick, 1858 01:26:36,156 --> 01:26:38,538 all worship the same god. 1859 01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:40,298 Not the gentle succoring Jesus 1860 01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:43,474 and not the kindly warm-hearted Allah but some third entity, 1861 01:26:43,508 --> 01:26:46,546 some horrid and astigmatic sulfur-breathing deity 1862 01:26:46,580 --> 01:26:48,513 who batons on hatred and loathing 1863 01:26:48,548 --> 01:26:50,343 and the spreading of elitist snake oil, 1864 01:26:50,377 --> 01:26:53,173 promising 73 virgins at the pearly gates, 1865 01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:56,072 if only you will waste your lives in pointless denigration 1866 01:26:56,107 --> 01:26:59,144 of everyone Pat and Osama and Jerry point to 1867 01:26:59,179 --> 01:27:01,906 as enemies of the all-powerful God. 1868 01:27:01,940 --> 01:27:03,563 The universe doesn't know we're here. 1869 01:27:03,597 --> 01:27:05,047 It just doesn't know. 1870 01:27:05,081 --> 01:27:07,601 Einstein says God does not shoot craps with the universe, 1871 01:27:07,636 --> 01:27:09,120 or does not play dice with the universe. 1872 01:27:09,154 --> 01:27:10,673 Yeah, it does. 1873 01:27:10,708 --> 01:27:11,743 Yeah, it does. 1874 01:27:11,778 --> 01:27:12,986 It's random. 1875 01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:13,952 The universe will one day give you 1876 01:27:13,987 --> 01:27:15,782 the lottery for $16 million. 1877 01:27:15,816 --> 01:27:17,404 The next day, colon cancer. 1878 01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,544 Universe doesn't know, universe doesn't care. 1879 01:27:19,579 --> 01:27:20,959 Universe is just boogieing on along, 1880 01:27:20,994 --> 01:27:22,478 having its own self a good time. 1881 01:27:22,513 --> 01:27:24,100 There is no rhyme, there's no reason. 1882 01:27:24,135 --> 01:27:27,690 There are laws, restrictions, rules, Darwinism, 1883 01:27:27,725 --> 01:27:30,279 astrophysics, all of these things are part of the way 1884 01:27:30,314 --> 01:27:32,764 the machinery runs, and it's a machine. 1885 01:27:32,799 --> 01:27:33,938 "Well, who created the machine?" 1886 01:27:33,972 --> 01:27:35,698 I don't give a fuck who created the machine. 1887 01:27:35,733 --> 01:27:38,425 I'll never know, you'll never know, no one will ever know. 1888 01:27:38,460 --> 01:27:40,634 If Saint Thomas Aquinas couldn't figure it out, 1889 01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:42,187 I sure as hell am not gonna be able to, 1890 01:27:42,222 --> 01:27:44,189 and neither are any of these pot-licking, 1891 01:27:44,224 --> 01:27:46,261 little stump ministers who always have the answer 1892 01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:47,676 'cause they get messages from God. 1893 01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:50,437 I don't mind people getting messages from God, 1894 01:27:50,472 --> 01:27:51,680 sending messages to God. 1895 01:27:51,714 --> 01:27:53,716 What I mind is when God answers them. 1896 01:27:53,751 --> 01:27:56,029 These kind of people we usually put away in a funny house, 1897 01:27:56,063 --> 01:27:58,031 but these guys say, "No, no." 1898 01:27:58,065 --> 01:27:59,412 "I have a personal relationship with God," 1899 01:27:59,446 --> 01:28:00,689 I love that phrase. 1900 01:28:00,723 --> 01:28:02,173 "Do you have a personal relationship with God?" 1901 01:28:02,207 --> 01:28:04,175 Yeah, God comes over on Sunday morning, we have bagel, 1902 01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:06,211 lox, cream cheese, we go bowling on Friday nights. 1903 01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:07,696 God and I, we're very close. 1904 01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:09,974 I think it is presumptuous. 1905 01:28:10,008 --> 01:28:11,734 I think it's presumptuous, I think it is silly, 1906 01:28:11,769 --> 01:28:12,942 because it makes you believe 1907 01:28:12,977 --> 01:28:14,565 that you are less than what you can be. 1908 01:28:14,599 --> 01:28:18,465 As long as you can blame everything on some unseen deity, 1909 01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:20,950 you don't ever have to responsible for your own behavior, 1910 01:28:20,985 --> 01:28:23,090 and I think that is the ultimate, 1911 01:28:23,125 --> 01:28:25,334 the ultimate mark of humanity. 1912 01:28:25,369 --> 01:28:26,577 We were given, 1913 01:28:28,510 --> 01:28:30,753 in our toolbox, 1914 01:28:30,788 --> 01:28:34,170 tools to build, ethics, courage, 1915 01:28:34,205 --> 01:28:38,209 kindness, friendship, ratiocination, the ability to think, 1916 01:28:38,243 --> 01:28:41,868 to work problems out logically, dreams, imagination, 1917 01:28:41,902 --> 01:28:44,008 things that make us wanna go to the stars, 1918 01:28:45,458 --> 01:28:47,080 we wanna make our selves better, 1919 01:28:48,426 --> 01:28:50,290 and a quiver of arrows which are mean-spiritedness 1920 01:28:50,325 --> 01:28:52,844 and greed and irresponsibility 1921 01:28:54,018 --> 01:28:55,916 and the refusal to take responsibility 1922 01:28:55,951 --> 01:28:59,092 for anything you do, and coarseness. 1923 01:28:59,126 --> 01:29:02,613 And these things they're like rocks. 1924 01:29:02,647 --> 01:29:04,269 Instead of using the tools to build, 1925 01:29:04,304 --> 01:29:06,202 we pick up these rocks of greed and stupidity, 1926 01:29:06,237 --> 01:29:07,480 and throw them at each other. 1927 01:29:07,514 --> 01:29:09,896 And I suppose, in some ways, 1928 01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:11,380 that's a very Christian attitude. 1929 01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:12,657 I suppose, in some ways, 1930 01:29:12,692 --> 01:29:14,314 it's a very Judeo-Christian attitude. 1931 01:29:14,349 --> 01:29:19,354 But I have very little sympathy for those who do bad things. 1932 01:29:20,769 --> 01:29:21,390 I don't care if your mommy locked you in the basement. 1933 01:29:21,425 --> 01:29:22,771 Stop doing it. 1934 01:29:22,805 --> 01:29:24,428 We know people by their acts. 1935 01:29:24,462 --> 01:29:26,015 We know people by their deeds. 1936 01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:28,397 And no matter how well coiffed their hair is, 1937 01:29:28,432 --> 01:29:29,812 if they're spouting evil 1938 01:29:29,847 --> 01:29:31,952 and if they're turning brother against sister, 1939 01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:34,334 and man against man, and woman against man, 1940 01:29:34,369 --> 01:29:36,474 I think that they deserve to be... 1941 01:29:38,476 --> 01:29:39,960 Well, I'm a mild person actually. 1942 01:29:39,995 --> 01:29:42,031 I think we should probably just hang them up 1943 01:29:42,066 --> 01:29:43,481 on the top half of a Dutch door 1944 01:29:43,516 --> 01:29:45,241 and beat them across the belly with an aluminum ball bat 1945 01:29:45,276 --> 01:29:46,553 till their piss runs red. 1946 01:29:48,003 --> 01:29:50,764 - Every single, what's the word that I am looking for? 1947 01:29:50,799 --> 01:29:53,802 Every single blank has to be a confrontation. 1948 01:29:54,699 --> 01:29:55,528 - Because that's what life is. 1949 01:29:55,562 --> 01:29:57,253 It is a confrontation. 1950 01:29:57,288 --> 01:29:58,669 That is what life is composed of, 1951 01:29:58,703 --> 01:30:00,740 an endless series of confrontations 1952 01:30:00,774 --> 01:30:03,156 with the society in which one lives, 1953 01:30:03,190 --> 01:30:05,917 with one's fellow man and woman, and with one's self. 1954 01:30:05,952 --> 01:30:07,816 That is what life is all about. 1955 01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:10,197 That's why you can never get rid of violence on television 1956 01:30:10,232 --> 01:30:14,685 because life is, to a greater or lesser degree, violent. 1957 01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:17,826 And the intensity of the confrontation, 1958 01:30:17,860 --> 01:30:19,793 the revelations of the human condition 1959 01:30:19,828 --> 01:30:21,623 that come out of those confrontations 1960 01:30:21,657 --> 01:30:26,213 is what makes enlightening drama, makes art, for us. 1961 01:30:26,248 --> 01:30:28,768 We must learn from what we read. 1962 01:30:28,802 --> 01:30:31,149 We can't keep getting our brains massaged. 1963 01:30:31,184 --> 01:30:33,255 We have to have the confrontation 1964 01:30:33,289 --> 01:30:35,671 so that when they come to us in real life, 1965 01:30:35,706 --> 01:30:39,364 we have some well of information to go to. 1966 01:30:41,366 --> 01:30:43,058 Did you wanna do some commercials? 1967 01:30:46,786 --> 01:30:48,443 Going past you, motherfucker. 1968 01:30:51,307 --> 01:30:52,481 Somebody asked me the other day, said, 1969 01:30:52,516 --> 01:30:53,793 "Where do you see yourself in 20 years?" 1970 01:30:53,827 --> 01:30:55,346 I said, dead. 1971 01:30:55,380 --> 01:30:59,488 And they said, "Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, you're kidding." 1972 01:30:59,523 --> 01:31:03,250 And I said, when you're 72, you don't kid about death. 1973 01:31:03,285 --> 01:31:05,114 Death, death is right there. 1974 01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:08,842 It's sort of hovering near your shoulder 1975 01:31:08,877 --> 01:31:12,708 like a salivating fanboy at a Star Trek convention. 1976 01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:15,746 It's just out of eyeshot but you know it's there. 1977 01:31:17,402 --> 01:31:20,544 - It's a given, within Harlan's worldview, 1978 01:31:20,578 --> 01:31:22,856 that life is not easy. 1979 01:31:23,650 --> 01:31:25,997 It's also a given that 1980 01:31:26,032 --> 01:31:29,553 that's part of the reason why life is worth living. 1981 01:31:30,415 --> 01:31:31,727 - I got this good life. 1982 01:31:31,762 --> 01:31:33,798 I got great friends. 1983 01:31:33,833 --> 01:31:35,697 Great friends who are important people. 1984 01:31:35,731 --> 01:31:37,319 That's always nice. 1985 01:31:37,353 --> 01:31:38,562 It's always nice, yeah. 1986 01:31:38,596 --> 01:31:40,702 It's always nice to know important people. 1987 01:31:40,736 --> 01:31:43,463 I'm gonna sell the big easy chair in the living room, 1988 01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:45,430 and I'm going to say, this is the chair, 1989 01:31:45,465 --> 01:31:46,984 and some of you who've sat in this chair 1990 01:31:47,018 --> 01:31:48,951 have been Robert Heinlein, 1991 01:31:48,986 --> 01:31:51,885 Maurice Chevalier, the Rolling Stones, 1992 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,300 and all the people who've been in this house 1993 01:31:53,335 --> 01:31:54,370 who have sat in that chair. 1994 01:31:54,405 --> 01:31:56,303 And I'm gonna auction it off, 1995 01:31:56,338 --> 01:31:57,960 and then I'm gonna buy a new chair. 1996 01:32:00,204 --> 01:32:02,896 - You have to accept 1997 01:32:02,931 --> 01:32:06,382 that you have somebody who is partly 1998 01:32:07,729 --> 01:32:10,732 one of the greatest writers of the 20th century, 1999 01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:16,082 and partly an alternately impish 2000 01:32:16,116 --> 01:32:19,499 and furious 11-year-old boy 2001 01:32:21,225 --> 01:32:22,916 or possibly nine-year-old boy 2002 01:32:22,951 --> 01:32:24,573 or possibly a five-year-old boy. 2003 01:32:28,301 --> 01:32:30,441 And it's all part of the same thing. 2004 01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:36,792 And, at the same time, a cranky old Jew 2005 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,416 who does not just enjoy his cranky old Jew-dom, 2006 01:32:40,451 --> 01:32:41,625 he revels in it. 2007 01:32:41,659 --> 01:32:44,835 He is building this cranky old Jew-dom 2008 01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:47,734 like some people live in castles. 2009 01:32:47,769 --> 01:32:50,288 He lives in cranky old Jew world. 2010 01:32:54,189 --> 01:32:58,331 And that's true, too, but it's also shtick. 2011 01:32:59,781 --> 01:33:01,368 - I live in paradise. 2012 01:33:01,403 --> 01:33:02,991 I got a sensational wife. 2013 01:33:03,025 --> 01:33:04,440 I got a great house. 2014 01:33:04,475 --> 01:33:07,064 I do the work I like to do. 2015 01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:08,686 I'm not entitled to beef. 2016 01:33:08,721 --> 01:33:10,515 I'm not entitled to complain. 2017 01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:13,829 I do, because like all old Jews, 2018 01:33:13,864 --> 01:33:15,728 we only know three things in this life: 2019 01:33:15,762 --> 01:33:18,040 We know guilt, we know Chinese food, 2020 01:33:18,075 --> 01:33:20,318 and we know the location of every pain in our body 2021 01:33:20,353 --> 01:33:22,666 and we will tell you about it endlessly. 2022 01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:26,980 Is this the last thing I'm gonna have to record? 2023 01:33:27,878 --> 01:33:29,189 I'm out after this. 2024 01:33:29,224 --> 01:33:34,229 Okay, well, I'm just a hard pill to swallow. 2025 01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:37,957 And I'm great for dinner, great stories, very funny, 2026 01:33:37,991 --> 01:33:40,684 but if you had to live with me 24/7, 2027 01:33:40,718 --> 01:33:43,100 you'd put a gun either in your mouth or my mouth. 2028 01:33:43,134 --> 01:33:46,621 And I think that's the way it is with anybody 2029 01:33:46,655 --> 01:33:50,935 who lives their life exactly as they wish to see it. 2030 01:33:50,970 --> 01:33:53,041 I think it was Hunter Thompson who wrote, 2031 01:33:53,973 --> 01:33:57,217 "He knew the dead end loneliness 2032 01:33:57,252 --> 01:33:59,703 "of a person who makes his own life." 2033 01:33:59,737 --> 01:34:00,669 I've always done that. 2034 01:34:00,704 --> 01:34:02,257 I've always been my own person, 2035 01:34:02,291 --> 01:34:04,777 and I'm responsible for what I turn out to be. 2036 01:34:04,811 --> 01:34:07,055 So, if anybody watches this movie and they say, 2037 01:34:07,089 --> 01:34:09,126 "God, what a mook." 2038 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,508 Yeah, I can't argue on it, so. 2039 01:34:12,543 --> 01:34:13,717 But it's not true, 2040 01:34:13,751 --> 01:34:15,408 I never threw anybody down an elevator shaft. 2041 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,836 Whenever I lecture at a college, and I do a lot of that, 2042 01:34:29,871 --> 01:34:33,150 invariably, there will be one pinhead out in the audience 2043 01:34:33,184 --> 01:34:35,704 who feels that my credentials are not sufficient 2044 01:34:35,739 --> 01:34:37,257 for me to be ranting and raving 2045 01:34:37,292 --> 01:34:40,398 about whatever it is I am raving and/or ranting about. 2046 01:34:40,433 --> 01:34:41,848 And he doesn't really know 2047 01:34:41,883 --> 01:34:43,712 or she doesn't really know what my background is. 2048 01:34:43,747 --> 01:34:46,370 And they'll say to me, "Why aren't you out protesting?" 2049 01:34:46,404 --> 01:34:49,442 and no, the fact that I'm 72 years old has no bearing on it. 2050 01:34:49,476 --> 01:34:51,409 They'll say, "Why aren't you out doing blah, blah," 2051 01:34:51,444 --> 01:34:54,550 or "Blah, blah," or, "Sucking up them bullets," and all. 2052 01:34:54,585 --> 01:34:57,553 And then my answer for years was, I've done it, 2053 01:34:57,588 --> 01:34:59,832 and then you realize you must not defend yourself. 2054 01:34:59,866 --> 01:35:01,523 And here's what I offer to you 2055 01:35:01,557 --> 01:35:03,663 as my way of getting around it. 2056 01:35:03,698 --> 01:35:07,011 First, you slump over like this, like a little old man. 2057 01:35:07,046 --> 01:35:11,119 And then you say, here is the wisdom of my people 2058 01:35:11,153 --> 01:35:13,259 to answer your question. 2059 01:35:13,293 --> 01:35:16,469 An old man walks out of the shtetl 2060 01:35:16,503 --> 01:35:19,023 on a path along beside the river, 2061 01:35:19,058 --> 01:35:20,818 and as he comes around the curve, 2062 01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:24,373 he sees lying in the middle of the road, an ant, 2063 01:35:24,408 --> 01:35:27,169 a little ant, and he's lying on his back like this 2064 01:35:27,204 --> 01:35:29,137 with the arms and the legs in the air going, 2065 01:35:29,171 --> 01:35:31,242 "Hachlama, hachlama, hachlama." 2066 01:35:31,277 --> 01:35:34,659 And he looks down at this creature and says to the ant, 2067 01:35:34,694 --> 01:35:36,144 "What are you doing?" 2068 01:35:36,178 --> 01:35:39,285 And the ant says, "I have it on the very best of authority, 2069 01:35:39,319 --> 01:35:41,425 "the sky is gonna fall." 2070 01:35:41,459 --> 01:35:44,531 And the old man looks at the ant and he says, 2071 01:35:44,566 --> 01:35:46,154 "And this is what you think you're gonna do 2072 01:35:46,188 --> 01:35:47,949 "to avert this catastrophe? 2073 01:35:47,983 --> 01:35:50,054 "You're gonna lie there and go ?" 2074 01:35:50,089 --> 01:35:51,918 And the ant looks up and says, 2075 01:35:51,953 --> 01:35:54,300 as I say to you, young person in the audience 2076 01:35:54,334 --> 01:35:57,786 who has questioned me, the ant says, 2077 01:35:57,821 --> 01:35:59,443 "I do what I can do." 2078 01:36:06,899 --> 01:36:09,418 Why does everyone look so confused? 2079 01:36:11,351 --> 01:36:12,767 - Cut. 151782

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