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- We're done
with Harlan unplugged.
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This is Harlan plugged in now.
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- This is
the real Harlan Ellison.
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This has been a myth,
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everything we've seen
in the edit room.
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- Just shoot
the fucking thing
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so I can go back to my life.
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- Yes or no. True or false.
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Yes or no and you can
qualify them if you want.
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- Okay.
- This will be not
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used against you.
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- Yeah, not in a court of law.
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- No, no, We've
done that already.
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- Okay.
- Okay, ready?
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- Yeah.
- First one.
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Mailed dead gopher to
a publishing house.
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- Absolutely true.
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And it went during the summer
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and it went by
fourth-class mail.
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- So you wanted to make
sure that it was there
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and a little bloated by then.
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- Cost them thousands
to fumigate.
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- Attacked ABC executive,
breaking pelvis.
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- True. Absolutely true.
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Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
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I went for him, climbed up
onto the conference table
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in Erwin Allen's office.
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There was a lot of
papers on the desk.
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It was highly polished.
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I slipped, very heroic of me,
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and face first, went
into him like that
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and caught him in the
throat with the fist.
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He went over backwards
and hit the wall
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and there was a
six-foot long model
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or 18-foot long model of
the Sea View on the wall,
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and it broke loose
from its moorings
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and fell on him and
broke his pelvis.
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- Threw fan down elevator shaft.
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- Never!
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Never, never happened.
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Never happened!
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- Barbra Streisand stole
his Night Club tapes.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah!
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Bitch stole--
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Yeah!
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Yeah!
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$21 worth of--
- Gonef!
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Gonef, hello, gorgeous,
I need the money.
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Banged over 500 women,
boast about it in print.
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- Not true.
- Okay, good.
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- Over 700.
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- We'll be right back.
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- Drove dynamite truck.
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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- Actually nitro truck.
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- Nitro truck, you--
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- North Carolina.
- Wonderful.
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That's always good.
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Harlan, well, I want
my Jewish friend
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to drive this down
that bumpy road.
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- I mean, really, it was--
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- And take Twitchy with you.
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- And the only
reason I got the job
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was because I was nonunion!
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- That's it. We did it.
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We did it.
- Oh, God.
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Oh.
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I wanna have your children.
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- Oh, well, I've got
three, I'll send one over.
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- At the close of our
program yesterday,
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Tom held up this envelope
containing a piece of paper
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and the words on it said,
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"August afternoon, a
person walking along
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"a rocky beach in Maine,
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"picks up a pair of
broken sunglasses."
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What happened next was at 9:45,
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Harlan Ellison
climbed in the window
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of a 5th Avenue bookstore.
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Read Tom's words
for the first time,
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as the crowds looked on,
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and then began to write,
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until finally five hours later,
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The Night of Black
Glass was completed.
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- I do it because I think,
particularly in this country,
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people are so distanced
from literature,
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the way it's taught in schools,
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that they think that the
people who write are magicians
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on a mountaintop somewhere.
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And I think that's
one of the reasons
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why there's so much
illiteracy in this country.
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So by doing it in public,
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I show people that
it's a job of work
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like being a plumber
or an electrician.
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I am told that my story,
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Repent, Harlequin!
Said the Ticktockman,
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is one of the 10 most
reprinted stories
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in the English language.
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Academics tell me this
and I have to listen
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because there in
lies my posterity.
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You see, long after I am dust,
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they will still be reprinting
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Repent, Harlequin!
Said the Ticktockman,
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and so, here is a piece
from Repent, Harlequin.
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"Get stuffed!" the
Harlequin replied, sneering.
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"You've been late a
total of 63 years,
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"five months, three weeks, two
days, 12 hours, 41 minutes,
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"59 seconds, 0.063111
microseconds.
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"You've used up everything
you can, and more.
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"I'm going to turn you off."
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"Scare someone else.
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"I'd rather be dead than
live in a dumb world
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"with a bogeyman like you!"
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"It's my job."
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"You're full of it.
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"You're a tyrant!
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"You have no right to
order people around
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"and kill them if
they show up late!"
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"You can't adjust.
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"You can't fit in."
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"Unstrap me, and I'll fit
my fist into your mouth!"
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"You're a nonconformist!"
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"That didn't used
to be a felony!"
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"It is now.
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"Live in the world around you."
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"I hate it, the world around me.
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"It's a terrible world!"
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"Repent, Harlequin!"
said the Ticktockman.
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"Get stuffed!"
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- I remember being
in a public library,
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sitting there with my book open
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and tears coming down my eyes
at the end of this story.
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- It's like having a spike
driven into your head.
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- There's a real power to
the way he uses the language
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and how he draws
pictures in your mind.
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- I always saw him, sort of
in my head, in the writing,
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he's a cocky guitar god.
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- I saw Prince a
while ago playing
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a show where he came on stage
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and he was playing
a Jimmy Page riff
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with one hand not looking.
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I thought, that's Harlan.
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- The words, there is an
attention to the words.
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There is an attention to
the sound of the words.
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You're reading them in
your head and they sing.
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- The running line of
what could be sensed,
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but not heard was
ominous, threatening,
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sensuously compelling in ways
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that spoke to the
skin and nerve-ends.
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It was like the moment one
receives the biopsy report.
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It was the feeble sound
an unwatered plant makes
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in the instant before all
reserve moisture dries
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from the taproot and the
green turns to brown.
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It was like the sigh of anguish
from the victim of voodoo
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at the instant the final pin
is jammed into the ju-ju doll
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half a continent away.
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It was like the cry of a mother
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brought to see the
tiny, crushed form
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lying beneath the blanket
on a busy intersection.
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It was like
the kiss of a spider.
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- You can't separate
the work and the man.
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I felt, ever since
I first met Harlan,
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that really what
Harlan is engaged on,
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the art form that
Harlan is creating,
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is this huge piece
of performance art
called Harlan Ellison.
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- How do you
explain a hurricane?
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I don't know how
to explain Harlan.
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He is what he is.
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- Everything about
him is quirky.
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Every single thing
about him is quirky.
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He doesn't do anything
straight ahead.
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- He's got the combination
of borscht and Berkeley.
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When you realize that he,
in the '60s and the '70s,
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was as radical as it gets.
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And if he was on Nixon's list,
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I'd think of it as highlighted
as much as Nixon goes,
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"Tell that prick I want
him and all his balls.
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"Yeah, I want the little Jew."
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- Harlan Ellison should
probably be read in schools.
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They should probably
make you read it,
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and you should be challenged
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by material like that
when you're young.
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- Harlan doesn't
have an off switch.
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He doesn't have a censor button.
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He is simply incapable of
sugarcoating it for you,
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and I think this is one of the
things that makes him human.
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It's one of the things
that makes him lovable.
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It's one of the things that,
in a way, makes him tragic.
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I think he wishes
it were otherwise.
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- This is one of the hardest
jobs I've ever had to do.
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Ted Sturgeon lived with me,
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and they've been
publishing his stories,
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in 12 volumes so far,
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and they finally got around
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to wanting me to write
the introduction.
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Would you like to hear
first paragraph here?
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We both smoked pipes,
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but Ted tamped his bowl full
of a grape-flavored tobacco,
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so sweetly and sickly redolent,
it could stun a police dog.
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I was a little over 35 years old
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when Sturgeon came
to live with me.
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Herewith, the ninth
time I have started
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to write this
recondite introduction
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to Volume XI of the North
Atlantic books collected oeuvre
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of the iconic H. Hunter
Theodore Waldo Sturgeon,
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a great writer of our
time, in initial caps.
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In preparation for this day,
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one I have foolishly
hoped would never come,
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and now it's here and
now I have dawdled
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and postponed and evaded as
would the helot duck the knout.
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Eight times before I sat down,
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put my two typing
fingers on the keyboard
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of the stout Olympia
manual office machine,
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that Ted sometimes used,
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and eight times I have written,
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and eight times I said, ah,
fuck it, and torn out the paper.
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Eight times.
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Now nine.
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And here's the flat
of it, friends,
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and Ted would understand,
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most of what I know about Ted
Sturgeon, I cannot tell you.
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- Now, here is Harlan Ellison
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and I've already outlined
your expansive credits.
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- You got it wrong.
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- I did?
- Yeah, it's not five Hugos,
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it's six Hugos.
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- I'm sorry.
- And you missed
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the Mystery Writers of
America Edgar Allen Poe Award
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and the fact that I'm
a credit to my race.
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- Yes, you are human.
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But I didn't say
that when you went
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to Ohio State University,
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you were there for
a year and a half
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and some writing professor, or
somebody of that sort, said,
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"You don't have any talent.
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"Go and earn a living
in a respectable way."
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You showed him, didn't you?
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- Yeah, and I told him to go
perform hideous obscenities
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upon himself, and then left.
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And then I preceded to go to
New York, to this very city,
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and sold a hundred stories the
first year full-time writing.
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Up until recently,
I've sent him a copy
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of every single thing
I've ever had published.
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When I got listed in Who's Who,
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I had a perma plaque,
sent that to him.
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Photos of the awards--
- Are you a vengeful guy?
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- Oh, yeah.
- Did you take delight
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in sending that man that?
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00:11:55,197 --> 00:11:56,612
- Oh, yeah, I think
revenge is a very terrific,
251
00:11:56,646 --> 00:11:57,889
good thing for everybody.
252
00:11:58,787 --> 00:12:00,478
- One day I got home
253
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and the light was flashing
254
00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:05,621
on my telephone
answering machine,
255
00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:10,177
and I pressed the
button and it's Harlan,
256
00:12:10,212 --> 00:12:12,732
and the voice says,
"Gaiman, this is Ellison.
257
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"You are dead.
258
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"You are dead meat.
259
00:12:15,355 --> 00:12:16,563
"I am going to kill you.
260
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"I am gonna come to your house,
261
00:12:17,806 --> 00:12:20,015
"I'm gonna rip out your trachea.
262
00:12:20,049 --> 00:12:22,811
"I am going to nuke your house
263
00:12:22,845 --> 00:12:26,573
"and then I'm gonna come and
I'm gonna sow salt on the place
264
00:12:26,607 --> 00:12:29,127
"where the radioactive ruins
of your house have been.
265
00:12:29,162 --> 00:12:30,301
"You are dead.
266
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"You are so dead.
267
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"Call me."
268
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Click.
269
00:12:35,616 --> 00:12:38,274
- Okay, let me
be very candid with you.
270
00:12:38,309 --> 00:12:39,344
- Yes, you can.
271
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- Aim that fucker elsewhere.
272
00:12:44,246 --> 00:12:49,251
- I worry more about Harlan
busting a valve
273
00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:53,427
in his violent reaction
to something bad or stupid
274
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that somebody else did
275
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than I worry about
the other person
276
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ending up in the hospital.
277
00:12:59,986 --> 00:13:01,159
- Get off
the fucking phone
278
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when your going through
an intersection!
279
00:13:03,472 --> 00:13:06,406
You'll run people down,
you fucking pinhead!
280
00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,959
- He doesn't go gently
into that good night,
281
00:13:07,994 --> 00:13:09,443
as he will tell you, you know.
282
00:13:09,478 --> 00:13:10,824
- Yeah, it's a horn!
283
00:13:11,652 --> 00:13:13,309
You douche bag!
284
00:13:13,344 --> 00:13:17,520
- He's done things that I
think he would stand by 100%.
285
00:13:17,555 --> 00:13:19,212
I'm sure he's done
things that he would go,
286
00:13:19,246 --> 00:13:22,146
"Oh, my god, what the
hell was I thinking?"
287
00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:23,078
- Here we go.
288
00:13:23,112 --> 00:13:23,906
Arriba!
289
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Andale!
290
00:13:25,356 --> 00:13:27,082
Yippa, yippa!
291
00:13:27,116 --> 00:13:30,948
- Harlan has the unique
position of being
292
00:13:33,157 --> 00:13:35,884
sort of the St.
Paul of Christianity
293
00:13:35,918 --> 00:13:39,266
he does not
necessarily believe in.
294
00:13:39,301 --> 00:13:41,372
- The one question
I always get is,
295
00:13:41,406 --> 00:13:44,306
"Where do you get your ideas?"
296
00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:47,102
Now, Aristotle couldn't
answer that question.
297
00:13:47,136 --> 00:13:48,931
Aeschylus couldn't
answer that question.
298
00:13:48,966 --> 00:13:52,038
But when they ask me
that, I say, Schenectady.
299
00:13:52,072 --> 00:13:53,246
And they look at me
and they go, "What?"
300
00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,385
I say, yeah, Schenectady.
301
00:13:54,419 --> 00:13:57,008
There's an idea
service in Schenectady.
302
00:13:57,043 --> 00:14:00,218
I send them 25 bucks a week
and every week, like clockwork,
303
00:14:00,253 --> 00:14:02,738
they send me a fresh
six-pack of ideas.
304
00:14:02,772 --> 00:14:04,844
And believe me, believe me,
305
00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:06,500
on the grave of my
mother and father,
306
00:14:06,535 --> 00:14:08,019
who were terrific people,
307
00:14:08,054 --> 00:14:10,090
there's always some
schmuck who comes up to me
308
00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:12,541
afterwards and says,
"Could I have the address?"
309
00:14:14,301 --> 00:14:16,027
- Got a call yesterday
310
00:14:16,062 --> 00:14:19,203
from a little film company
down here in the valley.
311
00:14:19,237 --> 00:14:24,208
And they're doing the
packaging for MGM on,
312
00:14:24,242 --> 00:14:27,107
not MGM, for Warner Bros. on
Babylon 5, which I worked on.
313
00:14:27,142 --> 00:14:31,663
And I did a very long, very
interesting on-camera interview
314
00:14:31,698 --> 00:14:32,941
about the making of Babylon 5,
315
00:14:32,975 --> 00:14:35,046
early on when Joe
Straczynski hired me,
316
00:14:35,081 --> 00:14:36,772
and they wanna use it.
317
00:14:36,806 --> 00:14:37,946
A young woman calls
me and she says,
318
00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:40,017
"We'd like to use it on the DVD.
319
00:14:40,051 --> 00:14:41,294
"Can that be arranged?"
320
00:14:41,328 --> 00:14:42,088
I said, absolutely, all
you gotta do is pay me,
321
00:14:42,122 --> 00:14:43,330
and she said, "What?"
322
00:14:43,365 --> 00:14:44,573
I said, you gotta pay me.
323
00:14:44,607 --> 00:14:46,230
She said, "Well, everybody else
324
00:14:46,264 --> 00:14:48,128
"is just doing it for nothing."
325
00:14:48,163 --> 00:14:50,993
I said, everybody else may
be an asshole, but I'm not.
326
00:14:51,028 --> 00:14:53,133
I said, by what right
would you call me
327
00:14:53,168 --> 00:14:54,376
and ask me to work for nothing?
328
00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:55,549
Do you get a paycheck?
329
00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:56,792
"Well, yes."
330
00:14:56,826 --> 00:14:58,207
I says, does your
boss get a paycheck?
331
00:14:58,242 --> 00:15:00,037
Do you pay the Telecine guy?
332
00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:01,417
Do you pay the cameraman?
333
00:15:01,452 --> 00:15:02,522
Do you pay the cutters?
334
00:15:02,556 --> 00:15:04,455
Do you pay the teamsters
335
00:15:04,489 --> 00:15:06,595
when they schlep your
stuff on the trucks?
336
00:15:08,321 --> 00:15:11,048
Would you go to a gas station
and ask to give you free gas?
337
00:15:11,082 --> 00:15:12,463
Would you go to the doctor
and have him take out
338
00:15:12,497 --> 00:15:13,947
your spleen for nothing?
339
00:15:13,982 --> 00:15:16,329
How dare you call me, want
me to work for nothing.
340
00:15:16,363 --> 00:15:17,744
"Well, it would be
good publicity."
341
00:15:17,778 --> 00:15:20,781
I said, lady, tell that to
someone a little older than you
342
00:15:20,816 --> 00:15:22,576
who has just fallen
off the turnip truck.
343
00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:25,200
There is no publicity
value in my essay,
344
00:15:25,234 --> 00:15:27,409
my interview being on your DVD.
345
00:15:27,443 --> 00:15:29,307
If you sell 2,000 of
them, it'll be great.
346
00:15:29,342 --> 00:15:30,826
And what are people gonna say?
347
00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:32,483
"Ooh, I really like the way
that guy gave that interview.
348
00:15:32,517 --> 00:15:33,967
"I wonder if he's
ever written a book.
349
00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:36,314
"Let me go and buy the,"
there's no publicity value.
350
00:15:36,349 --> 00:15:39,421
The only value for me is if
you put money in my hand.
351
00:15:39,455 --> 00:15:42,562
Cross my palm with silver,
you can use my essay.
352
00:15:42,596 --> 00:15:44,495
You can use my interview.
353
00:15:44,529 --> 00:15:46,117
And she says, "Well,
all right, thank you,"
354
00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:47,049
and she hangs up.
355
00:15:47,084 --> 00:15:48,292
I'll never hear from them.
356
00:15:48,326 --> 00:15:49,810
They want everything
for nothing.
357
00:15:49,845 --> 00:15:52,089
They wouldn't go for five
seconds without being paid,
358
00:15:52,123 --> 00:15:55,264
and they'll bitch about how
much they're paid and want more.
359
00:15:55,299 --> 00:15:58,026
I should do a freebie
for Warner Bros.?
360
00:15:58,060 --> 00:16:00,200
What is Warner Bros.,
out with an eye patch
361
00:16:00,235 --> 00:16:01,684
and a tin cup on the street?
362
00:16:01,719 --> 00:16:03,065
Fuck no!
363
00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,412
They always want the
writer to work for nothing.
364
00:16:05,447 --> 00:16:08,001
And the problem is that
there's so goddamn many writers
365
00:16:08,036 --> 00:16:10,728
who have no idea that
they're supposed to be paid
366
00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:13,248
every time they do something,
they do it for nothing.
367
00:16:13,282 --> 00:16:15,008
"Guh, guh, they're
gonna look at me.
368
00:16:15,043 --> 00:16:15,905
"I'm gonna be noticed."
369
00:16:18,632 --> 00:16:23,016
You tell me, are they any
less the media whore than I?
370
00:16:23,051 --> 00:16:24,224
I think not.
371
00:16:24,259 --> 00:16:25,950
Nobody's offered
to buy their soul.
372
00:16:27,503 --> 00:16:30,472
I sell my soul, but
at the highest rates,
the highest rates.
373
00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:32,922
I don't take a piss without
getting paid for it.
374
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,373
I get so angry about this
375
00:16:35,408 --> 00:16:37,203
because you're undercut
by all the amateurs.
376
00:16:37,237 --> 00:16:39,274
It's the amateurs who make it
tough for the professionals
377
00:16:39,308 --> 00:16:40,792
'cause when you
act professional,
378
00:16:40,827 --> 00:16:42,760
these people are so used
to getting it for nothing
379
00:16:42,794 --> 00:16:45,004
and for mooching
and for being able
380
00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:46,522
to pass off this bullshit.
381
00:16:46,557 --> 00:16:48,731
They don't even send
you a copy of the DVD!
382
00:16:50,112 --> 00:16:51,286
You have to call them
and say, where's the DVD?
383
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,219
"Well, it's been
out for six months.
384
00:16:53,253 --> 00:16:54,772
"You could go to the
store and buy it."
385
00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:55,842
You could go to the store
and buy it, motherfucker.
386
00:16:55,876 --> 00:16:56,774
You go to the store and buy it.
387
00:16:56,808 --> 00:16:58,189
You send me the goddamn DVD now
388
00:16:58,224 --> 00:16:59,949
or I'm gonna come
down to your house
389
00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:01,054
and I'm gonna burn
it to the ground.
390
00:17:01,089 --> 00:17:02,297
How about that?
391
00:17:02,331 --> 00:17:03,574
"Well, you don't have
to get mean about it."
392
00:17:03,608 --> 00:17:04,851
Yeah, I do have to
get mean about it.
393
00:17:04,885 --> 00:17:06,473
Six months since the
damn thing came out.
394
00:17:11,409 --> 00:17:15,068
People say to me,
even Susan says to me,
395
00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:17,036
"My God, does everything
make you angry?"
396
00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:18,830
I say, yeah, everything
makes me angry.
397
00:17:18,865 --> 00:17:21,695
And they say, "Well, you
should be a little mellow.
398
00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:22,524
"Get a little mellow."
399
00:17:22,558 --> 00:17:23,525
And I say, oh, really?
400
00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:24,698
Gee, I had never
thought of that.
401
00:17:24,733 --> 00:17:26,045
"Get a little mellow," woo.
402
00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,115
What an epiphany.
403
00:17:27,149 --> 00:17:28,806
Like I enjoy this?!
404
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,257
You think I enjoy getting
up angry every morning?
405
00:17:31,291 --> 00:17:32,948
Going to bed angry every night?
406
00:17:32,982 --> 00:17:34,846
To go through the day with
the veins standing out,
407
00:17:34,881 --> 00:17:36,952
the bolts unscrewing
in my neck?!
408
00:17:36,986 --> 00:17:38,540
Jesus Christ, I
would give anything
409
00:17:38,574 --> 00:17:41,715
to be able to be as mellow
and cool as most people.
410
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:45,064
I'd be one of the
slaves, the walking dead,
411
00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,272
but it would be a relief.
412
00:17:46,306 --> 00:17:48,619
Give me six months as
a walking dead man,
413
00:17:48,653 --> 00:17:50,655
I'll never say
anything angry again.
414
00:18:00,424 --> 00:18:04,255
- Harlan,
Harlan, Harlan, Harlan,
415
00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:06,878
Harlan, Harlan, Harlan, Harlan.
416
00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,711
- Jesus, I can't
be at two places!
417
00:18:11,745 --> 00:18:12,953
There's a fucking line of people
418
00:18:12,988 --> 00:18:14,679
who want their
goddamn book signed
419
00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:17,613
and they pout if
you don't sign them!
420
00:18:17,648 --> 00:18:19,408
I had a guy, I swear to you,
421
00:18:19,443 --> 00:18:22,170
I had a guy follow
me into a bathroom
422
00:18:22,204 --> 00:18:25,138
to either ask me some stupid
question or to
423
00:18:25,173 --> 00:18:27,140
and I turned around,
pissed on his shoe.
424
00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:29,453
I said, oh, yes,
may I answer that?
425
00:18:29,487 --> 00:18:31,731
And I just gave him a flash.
426
00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:35,976
Look, part of the
job is signing.
427
00:18:36,011 --> 00:18:40,119
It's an odious and thankless job
428
00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:41,810
because, first of all,
429
00:18:41,844 --> 00:18:46,021
why in the world would anyone
want an autograph in a book?
430
00:18:47,643 --> 00:18:49,680
I know that signing the books
431
00:18:49,714 --> 00:18:52,096
is for people who like,
they love my stuff.
432
00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,753
Fine. I'm happy.
433
00:18:53,787 --> 00:18:55,064
That's not the point.
434
00:18:55,099 --> 00:18:57,377
They assume a manner
435
00:18:57,412 --> 00:19:00,242
that is like talking to the cast
436
00:19:00,277 --> 00:19:02,451
of Night of the Living Dead.
437
00:19:02,486 --> 00:19:04,695
They don't hear a word you say,
438
00:19:04,729 --> 00:19:07,732
and when you say
something jocular to them,
439
00:19:07,767 --> 00:19:11,150
they treat you as if you're
the Delphic goddamn Oracle.
440
00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:13,704
I am not, I'm a
little Jew from Ohio.
441
00:19:13,738 --> 00:19:14,739
I don't know any answers.
442
00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:15,947
I fake it.
443
00:19:17,604 --> 00:19:18,812
And I sit there and I do it.
444
00:19:18,847 --> 00:19:20,676
And I sit for an hour
and I sit two hours
445
00:19:20,711 --> 00:19:22,299
and I sit for three hours.
446
00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,508
And I will do it for everybody,
I will sign their books,
447
00:19:24,542 --> 00:19:28,167
but then when it's three
hours, and they start pouting.
448
00:19:29,409 --> 00:19:31,549
Please, Lord, kill me now.
449
00:19:31,584 --> 00:19:33,482
I say, folks, I'm
a human being too.
450
00:19:33,517 --> 00:19:35,657
I have to go have some dinner.
451
00:19:35,691 --> 00:19:36,589
Dinner, folks.
452
00:19:36,623 --> 00:19:37,900
Or I have to take a dump.
453
00:19:37,935 --> 00:19:39,661
Folks, please.
454
00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:40,938
And they all go--
455
00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,215
- "Would
you sign my dump?"
456
00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:44,217
- Yeah, "sign my dump."
457
00:19:44,252 --> 00:19:47,047
Y'all talk among yourselves
for a moment here.
458
00:19:47,082 --> 00:19:49,636
I'm gonna go sign the asshole,
uh, the fellow's book.
459
00:19:49,671 --> 00:19:52,950
- I think his love-hate
relationship with fandom
460
00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:56,367
has to do with a feeling
that a lot of these people
461
00:19:56,402 --> 00:20:00,440
who he identifies with
in a very, very real way,
462
00:20:00,475 --> 00:20:02,235
don't fulfill their potential.
463
00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:04,410
- Stop cringing,
I won't hit you.
464
00:20:04,444 --> 00:20:05,928
Could you bend forward please?
465
00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:08,966
- And they use fandom
466
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,658
and they use the institutions
that are created by fandom
467
00:20:11,693 --> 00:20:13,867
to kind of hide out
from the real world,
468
00:20:13,902 --> 00:20:16,318
where Harlan Ellison
has always taken pains
469
00:20:16,353 --> 00:20:18,251
to engage the real world.
470
00:20:18,286 --> 00:20:19,390
- Okay, are we happy?
471
00:20:19,425 --> 00:20:21,116
- Yes, we are.
- We're square, okay.
472
00:20:24,706 --> 00:20:28,192
The deranged traditions
of science-fiction fandom
473
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:30,263
are overwhelmingly attractive,
474
00:20:30,298 --> 00:20:32,541
particularly to those
few boys and girls
475
00:20:32,576 --> 00:20:35,199
who are outcasts of
their high school classes
476
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:39,272
because of wonky
thought processes, a
flair for the bizarre,
477
00:20:39,307 --> 00:20:41,136
and physical appearance
that denies them
478
00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:43,380
the treasures of
sorority membership
479
00:20:43,414 --> 00:20:45,554
or a position on
the football team.
480
00:20:45,589 --> 00:20:49,317
For the pimply, the short,
the weird, and intelligent,
481
00:20:49,351 --> 00:20:51,457
for those to whom
sex is frightening
482
00:20:51,491 --> 00:20:54,632
and to whom come odd dreams
in the middle of study hall,
483
00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:59,637
the camaraderie of fandom is
a gleaming, beckoning Erewhon;
484
00:21:00,845 --> 00:21:03,192
an extended family
of other wimps,
485
00:21:03,227 --> 00:21:06,230
twinks, flakes, and oddballs.
486
00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:16,654
- Over the 25 years that
I have represented him,
487
00:21:16,689 --> 00:21:21,694
I've received phone calls that
sounded something like this.
488
00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:22,626
It's Harlan.
489
00:21:23,523 --> 00:21:24,869
I realize it's Yom Kippur,
490
00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:31,082
but goddammit, I haven't
received my two copies
491
00:21:31,117 --> 00:21:33,706
of the fourth printing
of the Mongolian edition
492
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,155
of Deathbird Stories!
493
00:21:36,433 --> 00:21:39,401
Do you know a kick-ass
lawyer in Ulaanbaatar?
494
00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:46,995
- Whenever you hear one of
George Gershwin's songs,
495
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:49,342
you know within three notes
496
00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:51,655
that you are
listening to Gershwin.
497
00:21:51,689 --> 00:21:55,486
It sounds like nobody
else, it can't be imitated,
498
00:21:56,901 --> 00:22:00,146
and that is what Harlan
Ellison's stories are like.
499
00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:03,183
- What's important is
not the personality.
500
00:22:03,218 --> 00:22:05,047
What is important is the work.
501
00:22:06,221 --> 00:22:09,086
Harlan is getting
the Grand Mastership,
502
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,400
not for the personality,
not for the journalism,
503
00:22:12,434 --> 00:22:16,473
not even for editing work
that changed the face of SF.
504
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,717
He's getting it for the stories
505
00:22:19,752 --> 00:22:21,857
and the stories will last
506
00:22:21,892 --> 00:22:25,482
and the stories will be
read a long time from now,
507
00:22:25,516 --> 00:22:29,278
and they're what make Harlan
Ellison our new Grand Master.
508
00:22:29,313 --> 00:22:30,245
Thank you.
509
00:22:59,585 --> 00:23:04,590
- And so it was,
strangely, strangely,
510
00:23:06,108 --> 00:23:08,421
that I found myself standing
in the backyard of the house
511
00:23:08,456 --> 00:23:11,804
I had lived in when I
was seven years old.
512
00:23:11,838 --> 00:23:13,737
At 13 minutes till midnight
513
00:23:13,771 --> 00:23:17,119
on no special magical
winter's night,
514
00:23:17,154 --> 00:23:18,535
in a town that had held me
515
00:23:18,569 --> 00:23:22,262
only till I was physically
able to run away.
516
00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:25,369
In Ohio, in winter,
517
00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:30,409
near midnight, certain
I could go back.
518
00:23:31,548 --> 00:23:33,273
At 42, I had come to
that point in my life
519
00:23:33,308 --> 00:23:36,484
toward which I'd struggled
since I'd been a child:
520
00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:40,833
place of security,
importance, recognition.
521
00:23:40,867 --> 00:23:43,801
The only one from this
town who had made it.
522
00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:46,666
The ones who had had the
most promise in school
523
00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:50,152
were now milkmen,
used car salesmen,
524
00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:53,259
married to fat,
stupid dead women
525
00:23:53,293 --> 00:23:55,882
who had, themselves, been girls
526
00:23:55,917 --> 00:23:58,333
of exceeding promise
in high school.
527
00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,958
They had been trapped in
this little Ohio town,
528
00:24:02,993 --> 00:24:04,339
never to break free.
529
00:24:04,373 --> 00:24:05,961
To die there, unknown.
530
00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,033
I, I had broken free,
531
00:24:09,068 --> 00:24:12,140
had done all the wonderful
things I'd said I would do.
532
00:24:14,107 --> 00:24:15,005
So...
533
00:24:16,662 --> 00:24:18,457
Why should it all
depress me now?
534
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,462
When I was a kid, I was
beaten up every day.
535
00:24:25,015 --> 00:24:27,638
Probably I was beaten up
because I had a big mouth.
536
00:24:27,673 --> 00:24:29,364
I don't deny it.
537
00:24:29,398 --> 00:24:30,848
But you still don't
deserve to have the crap
538
00:24:30,883 --> 00:24:33,368
beaten out of you every day
just because you're a smart ass.
539
00:24:33,402 --> 00:24:35,577
But in those days,
I was a little kid.
540
00:24:35,612 --> 00:24:36,889
God, I think I'd a had a been
541
00:24:36,923 --> 00:24:39,719
soaking drench wet
to weigh 50 pounds.
542
00:24:39,754 --> 00:24:43,516
And it was a very
antisemitic town.
543
00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:45,449
Painesville was about 30
miles northeast of Cleveland.
544
00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:47,969
And they would wait for
me on the schoolyard.
545
00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:49,488
They would pound me every day.
546
00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:51,455
And when I was the same
size, I held my own okay.
547
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,284
But they kept growing,
I kept staying small,
548
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,528
and groups of them would
beat the crap out of me.
549
00:24:55,563 --> 00:24:59,843
And when you've been
made an outsider,
550
00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:04,813
you are always angry.
551
00:25:04,848 --> 00:25:06,435
You respond to it in a
lot of different ways.
552
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:08,196
A lot of people get surly.
553
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:09,404
A lot of people get mean.
554
00:25:09,438 --> 00:25:10,785
Some people turn
into serial killers.
555
00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:15,686
I got so smart that I
could just kill them
556
00:25:16,722 --> 00:25:18,517
with logic or their own mouths.
557
00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:22,382
But there's a photograph
we've got upstairs here
558
00:25:22,417 --> 00:25:24,523
of my third grade class.
559
00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:26,628
And I'm the shortest
kid in the class.
560
00:25:26,663 --> 00:25:29,424
I'm shorter than
the smallest girl.
561
00:25:29,458 --> 00:25:32,358
And everybody else is
standing like a normal kid.
562
00:25:32,392 --> 00:25:37,087
I'm standing there at the far
end on the left, like this,
563
00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:39,745
with my hands on my hips
and I'm leaning forward.
564
00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:43,058
And my lips are skinned back
like some feral creature
565
00:25:43,093 --> 00:25:45,267
and I'm wearing my Captain
Midnight Secret Decoder badge
566
00:25:45,302 --> 00:25:47,269
and there's a Band-Aid
on my forehead.
567
00:25:47,304 --> 00:25:49,617
And way down at the
other end is Bill Brown.
568
00:25:49,651 --> 00:25:52,309
And Bill Brown's got an even
bigger bandage on his face
569
00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:53,759
'cause I had been in
a fistfight with him
570
00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:54,794
earlier in the day.
571
00:25:57,935 --> 00:26:01,352
This piece of film was found.
572
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,045
My mother had it.
573
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,289
When my mother died, she
gave it to her granddaughter,
574
00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,637
to my niece Lisa, and
Lisa sent it to me.
575
00:26:09,671 --> 00:26:13,675
These two pictures, that
come and go very quickly,
576
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:17,334
were our house at 89 Harmon
Drive in Painsville, Ohio.
577
00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:20,475
That's where I spent
my earliest days.
578
00:26:20,509 --> 00:26:23,167
And that's me on the corner,
standing on the corner.
579
00:26:26,723 --> 00:26:28,828
This is my mom and me.
580
00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:31,451
My mom and me at Niagara Falls.
581
00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:34,731
I look to be about 10 years old.
582
00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:38,666
Boy, what a pencil
neck geek I was.
583
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:40,426
Yes, thank you,
you little fucker.
584
00:26:41,323 --> 00:26:42,601
And my mom and I are walking.
585
00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:44,741
My dad's gotta be
taking the pictures.
586
00:26:44,775 --> 00:26:47,467
My mom was just a wonderful
woman, put up with me.
587
00:26:47,502 --> 00:26:49,021
That's my dad.
588
00:26:49,055 --> 00:26:51,679
He looked just like Brian
Donlevy, the movie actor.
589
00:26:51,713 --> 00:26:53,163
Look at that.
590
00:26:53,197 --> 00:26:55,890
Look at that, was
he a handsome guy?
591
00:26:55,924 --> 00:26:57,098
Boy, do I miss him.
592
00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:00,860
Phony cigar in my mouth.
593
00:27:00,895 --> 00:27:02,103
My dad smoked cigars.
594
00:27:02,137 --> 00:27:03,622
This is me trying
to be a bigshot.
595
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:06,625
This is me and my mom.
596
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:09,904
Look, you can actually see, my
mom was about five feet one,
597
00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:11,802
and you can see how small I was.
598
00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:14,874
Look, it's my dad,
has his hand on me.
599
00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:17,221
My father has his
hand on my shoulder.
600
00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:20,190
Ah, he was a nifty guy.
601
00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:23,158
This is the only shot
that I have of my dad.
602
00:27:23,193 --> 00:27:24,815
The only pictures at all.
603
00:28:27,602 --> 00:28:30,570
Jack Wheeldon, Teddy Beckwith,
604
00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:36,335
they were the bullies to me.
605
00:28:36,369 --> 00:28:37,716
I have no idea
what they were like
606
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:38,889
in the rest of their lives.
607
00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:40,132
They may have been
terrific kids.
608
00:28:43,169 --> 00:28:46,310
But they used to like
to beat me up regularly.
609
00:28:46,345 --> 00:28:49,279
And one time, they caught
me on the playground...
610
00:28:54,284 --> 00:28:56,182
My mind likes to say,
in the dead of winter
611
00:28:56,217 --> 00:29:00,531
and a great deal of snow, but
I think it was in the fall.
612
00:29:00,566 --> 00:29:02,085
It was cold, but it
wasn't that cold.
613
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,018
And they beat the
shit out of me.
614
00:29:04,052 --> 00:29:06,192
And I was obviously not dead.
615
00:29:06,227 --> 00:29:07,642
I was obviously not
seriously injured,
616
00:29:07,676 --> 00:29:09,782
but I was bloody and
I was torn apart.
617
00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:12,785
And my mother took me
upstairs to wash me off,
618
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:14,028
get me squared away,
619
00:29:15,443 --> 00:29:17,997
and I tried to explain
to her what had happened.
620
00:29:18,032 --> 00:29:19,240
And when you're that age,
621
00:29:19,274 --> 00:29:22,450
you cannot explain to
an adult the irrational.
622
00:29:22,484 --> 00:29:26,972
Everything has to have a
progression, an interior logic,
623
00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,182
and there is no interior logic
624
00:29:30,216 --> 00:29:32,184
to bullies picking on someone.
625
00:29:32,218 --> 00:29:33,806
Why you?
626
00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:35,463
Well, why, in fact, not me?
627
00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:40,019
And my mother said,
628
00:29:40,054 --> 00:29:42,850
and I remember this as
if it were yesterday,
629
00:29:42,884 --> 00:29:44,748
my mother with a
washcloth in her hand
630
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,163
and me standing at the sink,
631
00:29:47,647 --> 00:29:50,167
she said, "You must've said
something to get them angry."
632
00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:57,761
It was an icicle just
jammed into my chest,
633
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,176
that my own mother...
634
00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,353
And with cause.
635
00:30:03,387 --> 00:30:04,941
It was not as if I was the
greatest kid in the world.
636
00:30:04,975 --> 00:30:06,356
I was a troublemaker.
637
00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:08,392
I was a brat.
638
00:30:08,427 --> 00:30:11,223
I was a big mouth,
pain in the ass.
639
00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:16,021
But that my own mother
would not understand...
640
00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:20,957
At that moment, I had
what now, at age 72,
641
00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:24,477
I understand was an enormous
epiphany, which is...
642
00:30:26,686 --> 00:30:28,654
I really cannot support it.
643
00:30:28,688 --> 00:30:31,484
I cannot bear it when
people laugh at me.
644
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:37,421
- My first vivid
memory of Harlan
645
00:30:37,456 --> 00:30:39,803
is we were both members of the,
646
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,391
what was then called,
the Curtain Pullers,
647
00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:44,083
the children's theater of
the Cleveland Playhouse.
648
00:30:44,118 --> 00:30:47,362
And he was playing a
penguin on roller skates.
649
00:30:49,606 --> 00:30:53,196
Harlan went through some
traumas in his very early life,
650
00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:55,094
around the age of
12 when I first him.
651
00:30:56,337 --> 00:30:58,201
And I think he's had
a defense mechanism
652
00:30:58,235 --> 00:31:00,410
about that ever since.
653
00:31:00,444 --> 00:31:04,552
If there's anything in
the world that upsets him,
654
00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:05,967
it's people putting him down.
655
00:31:07,106 --> 00:31:08,936
And I think he fights
that constantly.
656
00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:10,799
I think he goes
overboard with it.
657
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,629
- It was all...
658
00:31:13,906 --> 00:31:15,874
God, there doesn't...
659
00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:18,428
Sometimes a cigar
is just a cigar!
660
00:31:18,462 --> 00:31:23,467
You don't have to have a deep
rosebud every time.
661
00:31:24,054 --> 00:31:24,986
I always wrote.
662
00:31:26,401 --> 00:31:29,922
I taught myself to read when
I was a year or two old.
663
00:31:29,957 --> 00:31:31,130
I read milk cartons.
664
00:31:31,165 --> 00:31:33,443
I read the back of
Kellogg's Pep boxes.
665
00:31:33,477 --> 00:31:35,341
I read anything that
fell into my hands.
666
00:31:35,376 --> 00:31:38,758
There were bookcases in the
house, not many, but a couple,
667
00:31:38,793 --> 00:31:41,969
and I remember reading
W. Somerset Maugham's
668
00:31:42,003 --> 00:31:45,869
Ashenden: Or the British
Agent when I was very young.
669
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,044
I had a library card
before I was 10.
670
00:31:49,217 --> 00:31:51,944
I always knew that I mattered.
671
00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:54,947
When I was a little kid, I
remember the moment, absolutely.
672
00:31:54,982 --> 00:31:57,708
I was standing on Harmon
Drive, front of our house,
673
00:31:57,743 --> 00:32:00,056
89 Harmon Drive
and I looked around
674
00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:02,230
and I said, the world is mine.
675
00:32:02,265 --> 00:32:04,336
I have and do
anything I wanna do,
676
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:06,441
I had that thought,
because I was bright.
677
00:32:06,476 --> 00:32:07,304
I was very, very smart.
678
00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:08,961
I got straight A's.
679
00:32:08,996 --> 00:32:11,205
And then I ran away again
and I hitchhiked all the way
680
00:32:11,239 --> 00:32:14,139
to Canada to
Matawatchan, Ontario,
681
00:32:14,173 --> 00:32:15,588
and I worked in a lumber camp.
682
00:32:15,623 --> 00:32:17,936
Well, I came back from
that, did some more school,
683
00:32:19,109 --> 00:32:20,973
hitchhiked down again,
went down to Galveston,
684
00:32:21,008 --> 00:32:22,906
worked on tuna boats,
back and forth,
685
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:23,838
back and forth, back and forth.
686
00:32:23,872 --> 00:32:27,083
By the time I was 15, 14, 15,
687
00:32:27,117 --> 00:32:29,499
I was driving a dynamite truck
in Shelby, North Carolina,
688
00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:31,363
on a construction job
up in the mountains.
689
00:32:31,397 --> 00:32:34,090
All of these things have
shown up in my stories.
690
00:32:34,124 --> 00:32:35,643
It all got filed away.
691
00:32:35,677 --> 00:32:39,302
And all that time if I wasn't
writing, I was thinking about,
692
00:32:39,336 --> 00:32:40,682
gee, I could write
this down like this.
693
00:32:40,717 --> 00:32:42,201
I knew how to tell stories.
694
00:32:42,236 --> 00:32:43,927
It was one of the
ways I got fed.
695
00:32:45,308 --> 00:32:48,311
I picked up the writer's
true education on the road.
696
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,486
- I could only tell you
from personal experience
697
00:32:51,521 --> 00:32:53,419
that several years ago,
698
00:32:53,454 --> 00:32:55,870
when I was making up my
will, and my attorney said,
699
00:32:55,904 --> 00:32:57,354
"Do you wanna be
buried in Cleveland?"
700
00:32:57,389 --> 00:32:59,460
And I said, no, I've
already done that.
701
00:33:00,702 --> 00:33:02,981
And I think Harlan
feels the same way.
702
00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:05,604
- When I got thrown
outta college,
703
00:33:05,638 --> 00:33:07,157
I went to New York and I
lived there for a while.
704
00:33:07,192 --> 00:33:09,401
That's when I got
started writing.
705
00:33:09,435 --> 00:33:11,023
Or selling, I've been
writing all of my life,
706
00:33:11,058 --> 00:33:12,783
but that's when I
started selling.
707
00:33:12,818 --> 00:33:15,579
And eking out an existence
708
00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,687
in a 15-dollar a week room
709
00:33:19,721 --> 00:33:22,828
and that's when you got paid
a penny a word for a story.
710
00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:24,071
- No kidding.
711
00:33:24,105 --> 00:33:25,624
- Oh, yeah, and I could
write a 3000-word story
712
00:33:25,658 --> 00:33:27,626
in a night, in an evening.
713
00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:30,077
And a take it in
the next day to,
714
00:33:30,111 --> 00:33:32,044
say Ziff Davis's
Publishing Company,
715
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,252
and they would give you a chit,
716
00:33:33,287 --> 00:33:34,219
and you'd go down
to the paymaster
717
00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:35,461
and he'd give me 30 bucks,
718
00:33:35,496 --> 00:33:37,015
and that was my
food for the week.
719
00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:38,292
That's how I lived.
720
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,976
Here I am maybe 86
pounds dripping wet
721
00:34:08,011 --> 00:34:10,220
and carrying an anvil.
722
00:34:10,255 --> 00:34:15,053
And I'm in with the Rangers
in a barracks full of guys,
723
00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:17,710
who were offered the opportunity
of either going in the army
724
00:34:17,745 --> 00:34:19,781
or being thrown in prison
for the rest of their lives.
725
00:34:19,816 --> 00:34:22,750
The only reason they
didn't kill me was,
726
00:34:22,784 --> 00:34:27,134
we'd come back from a
20-mile march, full pack,
727
00:34:27,168 --> 00:34:28,790
in those days we carried an M1.
728
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:31,931
None of this little pussy
AK-47 crap made of plastic.
729
00:34:31,966 --> 00:34:34,762
We had an M1 which
weighed 900 pounds.
730
00:34:34,796 --> 00:34:36,522
And the full pack.
731
00:34:36,557 --> 00:34:38,076
And I never fell out.
732
00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:40,492
I was a mean little dog.
733
00:34:40,526 --> 00:34:42,425
I just wouldn't go down.
734
00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:44,772
And we'd come back and
everybody would just fall
735
00:34:44,806 --> 00:34:47,257
face forward on their bunk
with the pack still on.
736
00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:50,709
I would take out, from
under my mattress,
737
00:34:50,743 --> 00:34:52,607
a board that I
had secreted there
738
00:34:52,642 --> 00:34:57,025
and take my typewriter
out of the wall locker
739
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:59,407
and I would go into the
head, into the toilet,
740
00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:01,685
and take the furthest
toilet in the line
741
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,893
so nobody would hear me.
742
00:35:02,928 --> 00:35:03,929
And I'd put the
board across my lap
743
00:35:03,963 --> 00:35:05,689
and I would work on my novel.
744
00:35:05,724 --> 00:35:07,277
After everybody was
exhausted and dead,
745
00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,314
and I was still, and
that's how I did my book.
746
00:35:09,348 --> 00:35:11,626
Well, they called me the author.
747
00:35:11,661 --> 00:35:13,904
"Hey, author, hey, author."
748
00:35:13,939 --> 00:35:16,044
And I've always been
749
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,807
pretty good at
figuring out systems
750
00:35:19,841 --> 00:35:22,154
and how they work and
finding ways around them.
751
00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:26,227
So now here's my here's the
parameters of my problem.
752
00:35:26,262 --> 00:35:27,677
I'm small,
753
00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,128
I'm surrounded by bullies,
754
00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,992
I'm in a system that
has me in its thrall
755
00:35:33,027 --> 00:35:34,201
from the moment I wake up
756
00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:36,548
till the moment I go
to sleep at night,
757
00:35:36,582 --> 00:35:41,587
and I've gotta protect
myself from being brutalized.
758
00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:42,795
How do I do it?
759
00:35:45,177 --> 00:35:46,661
Real simple.
760
00:35:46,696 --> 00:35:48,870
Most of the people in the
barracks were illiterate,
761
00:35:48,905 --> 00:35:50,941
and I volunteered to
write their letters home
762
00:35:50,976 --> 00:35:52,046
to their girlfriends.
763
00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:56,809
I became their Cyrano.
764
00:35:56,844 --> 00:35:59,605
Anybody came near me
or if I got extra duty,
765
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,779
they would take it.
766
00:36:00,813 --> 00:36:02,056
They would do it for me.
767
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:17,692
And she wrote, "To
Harlan Ellison,
768
00:36:17,727 --> 00:36:21,765
"with admiration, envy,
and heartfelt wishes
769
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,699
"that I could be as
good a writer as he is.
770
00:36:24,734 --> 00:36:27,978
"Dorothy Parker,
Hollywood, 1962."
771
00:36:28,013 --> 00:36:30,257
You can think you're
a real hot stuff,
772
00:36:30,291 --> 00:36:33,501
but, like they say in the
movie Hearts of the West,
773
00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:37,195
"You're not a writer till a
writer says you're a writer."
774
00:36:49,621 --> 00:36:51,450
I learned in the pulps,
775
00:36:51,485 --> 00:36:53,314
and that means writing
and writing a lot.
776
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:55,040
50 years worth of writing,
777
00:36:56,386 --> 00:36:58,354
sometimes I'm good,
sometimes I'm terrific,
778
00:36:58,388 --> 00:37:01,426
sometimes I'm terrible, but
never intentionally terrible.
779
00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:02,634
If I am, it's just I didn't know
780
00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:04,601
how to do the job well enough.
781
00:37:06,051 --> 00:37:09,261
But to keep going for 50
years is very, very tough.
782
00:37:09,296 --> 00:37:11,884
I always say becoming
a writer is easy.
783
00:37:11,919 --> 00:37:14,439
If you look at some of the
crap Judith Krantz writes
784
00:37:16,303 --> 00:37:18,097
and Tom Clancy and
people like that,
785
00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:22,274
things that live in Petri
dishes can become a writer.
786
00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:24,242
The trick is not
becoming a writer,
787
00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:25,898
the trick is staying a writer.
788
00:37:25,933 --> 00:37:28,591
Day after story after
year after novel,
789
00:37:28,625 --> 00:37:30,248
and just keeping going.
790
00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:34,769
And learning as you
go and getting better,
791
00:37:34,804 --> 00:37:37,496
not doing the same thing
over and over and over again.
792
00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:41,397
- What do you
like to write about?
793
00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:42,846
- I like to write
about those moments
794
00:37:42,881 --> 00:37:46,678
when something strange,
peculiar, and untoward happens
795
00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:48,335
to an average human being,
796
00:37:48,369 --> 00:37:51,683
who in that moment discovers
something in him or herself
797
00:37:51,717 --> 00:37:54,099
that makes them a
different kind of person.
798
00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:56,964
- If someone were to
799
00:37:58,414 --> 00:38:02,970
create a course offering at a
university or at a high school
800
00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:05,283
around Harlan Ellison's fiction,
801
00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:08,562
I think that they could
title such a course offering
802
00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:11,496
something like Strategies
for Survival with Dignity.
803
00:38:12,669 --> 00:38:15,603
- We all know that you
exaggerate a little bit.
804
00:38:19,538 --> 00:38:22,748
Mentally, I say, okay,
well, it wasn't 30 people,
805
00:38:22,783 --> 00:38:25,164
it was two, or whatever.
806
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,339
And then I'll talk to
someone who was there
807
00:38:27,374 --> 00:38:30,446
and they'll say, "There
were 30 people there."
808
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,034
- When I go into
hyperbole on my stories,
809
00:38:33,069 --> 00:38:35,243
I try not to stray
from the facts,
810
00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:41,284
but if you alter the
angle of persistence,
811
00:38:43,631 --> 00:38:46,013
it's funnier from this angle
than it is from this angle.
812
00:38:46,047 --> 00:38:48,360
From this angle, I
got a parking ticket.
813
00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:49,844
From this angle,
814
00:38:49,879 --> 00:38:52,675
it's one of the great
tragedies of our time.
815
00:38:53,848 --> 00:38:56,299
- Because Harlan is as
good a writer as he is,
816
00:38:57,611 --> 00:38:59,992
he's open to a certain
amount of misinterpretation
817
00:39:00,027 --> 00:39:05,032
from people from who are
not reading critically
818
00:39:06,205 --> 00:39:08,415
and who are not paying
a lot of attention,
819
00:39:08,449 --> 00:39:10,865
certainly not paying as
much attention to the work
820
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,902
as Harlan paid writing the work.
821
00:39:14,386 --> 00:39:18,977
- Most writers I know run
that idiotic number about,
822
00:39:19,011 --> 00:39:21,876
"Oh, I like having written,
but I don't like to write.
823
00:39:21,911 --> 00:39:22,808
"It's hard work."
824
00:39:22,843 --> 00:39:24,154
Well, fuck you, "hard work."
825
00:39:24,189 --> 00:39:27,882
If you don't like, go
out and sail sailboats.
826
00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:29,367
Of course it's hard work.
827
00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:31,092
If it weren't hard work,
everybody would be doing it.
828
00:39:31,127 --> 00:39:33,957
And the better you do it,
the harder the work is.
829
00:39:33,992 --> 00:39:35,614
It's supposed to be hard.
830
00:39:35,649 --> 00:39:38,376
Art is not supposed to be easy.
831
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,516
Building roads is
supposed to be easy.
832
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,453
Fielding crops is supposed
to made easier for people.
833
00:39:46,487 --> 00:39:48,282
Art is supposed to be hard.
834
00:39:48,316 --> 00:39:49,421
Art is supposed to be demanding.
835
00:39:49,456 --> 00:39:51,665
That's the way I feel about it.
836
00:40:03,746 --> 00:40:07,025
I got out here in '62 with
exactly 10 cents in my pocket.
837
00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:09,268
It's one of those
great Horatio Alger
838
00:40:09,303 --> 00:40:11,167
up from the streets
kind of stories.
839
00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:14,446
And I knew maybe three
people in the whole town.
840
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:17,000
I came out with these horrible
visions of William Holden
841
00:40:17,035 --> 00:40:20,487
lying face down in Gloria
Swanson's swimming pool
842
00:40:20,521 --> 00:40:23,317
and I told everybody, I'll
be back in six months.
843
00:40:23,351 --> 00:40:26,458
And I kept going
back to New York,
844
00:40:26,493 --> 00:40:30,738
but as time went on, I began
to perceive the differences
845
00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:34,293
between New York and LA,
846
00:40:34,328 --> 00:40:36,503
and they were manifest.
847
00:40:37,883 --> 00:40:40,955
Los Angeles is the cutting
edge of the culture,
848
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:44,062
despite the claims and
pretensions of San Francisco
849
00:40:44,096 --> 00:40:47,410
and New York and
Boston and Washington.
850
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,931
It has all the verve
and dynamism that I
found in New York
851
00:40:50,965 --> 00:40:53,036
when I went there in 1950.
852
00:40:53,071 --> 00:40:56,488
Verve and dynamism
that New York has lost,
853
00:40:56,523 --> 00:40:58,179
that Chicago wanted
854
00:40:58,214 --> 00:41:00,803
and for which it substituted
brutality and angst,
855
00:41:00,837 --> 00:41:03,426
that New Orleans is
afraid to let loose.
856
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:06,602
For me, for me,
857
00:41:06,636 --> 00:41:11,607
LA is like a big, gauche baby
with a shotgun in its mouth.
858
00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:13,505
It'll do anything.
859
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:16,266
And with more style,
with more fire,
860
00:41:16,301 --> 00:41:19,580
with more Errol Flynn
go-to-hell vivacity
861
00:41:19,615 --> 00:41:21,893
than any other city
I've ever experienced.
862
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:26,242
I love LA.
863
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:29,487
And it's become a big city now.
864
00:41:29,521 --> 00:41:30,798
And it's just like
everywhere else in America,
865
00:41:30,833 --> 00:41:32,766
it's in chaos.
866
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,251
But here I live on
the top of a mountain
867
00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:38,910
with 200 acres of
watershed land behind me.
868
00:41:38,944 --> 00:41:40,774
If you just look past me here,
869
00:41:40,808 --> 00:41:42,534
that's the San
Bernardino mountains,
870
00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,122
what we call the San Berdoos,
871
00:41:44,156 --> 00:41:46,434
and that's the San
Fernando Valley,
872
00:41:46,469 --> 00:41:48,540
and that's about 40
miles over there.
873
00:41:48,575 --> 00:41:52,682
And I'll go to some place
like Coshocton, Ohio,
874
00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:55,582
or East Wee Waa, Wisconsin,
875
00:41:55,616 --> 00:41:57,825
and some smart ass will say,
876
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:02,520
"Now, how can you live in Los
Angeles with all that smog?!"
877
00:42:04,038 --> 00:42:06,420
And I just kind of
giggle because I say,
878
00:42:06,454 --> 00:42:08,111
I don't see any smog.
879
00:42:08,146 --> 00:42:09,630
The only smog
there is down there
880
00:42:09,665 --> 00:42:11,459
is down in the valley
killing Republicans.
881
00:42:11,494 --> 00:42:13,082
I don't give a shit about that.
882
00:42:15,498 --> 00:42:19,813
- What is great about taking
somebody to Harlan's house is
883
00:42:19,847 --> 00:42:22,850
it's like going there for
the first time all over again
884
00:42:22,885 --> 00:42:25,266
as you pull up outside
885
00:42:25,301 --> 00:42:29,098
and it is the Lost
Inca Temple of Mars,
886
00:42:29,132 --> 00:42:31,549
and it's like nothing
you've ever seen.
887
00:42:32,619 --> 00:42:33,999
And then you go inside.
888
00:42:35,622 --> 00:42:37,555
- Every time I go in the
house, I go, look at that.
889
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:40,730
I have an homage,
but an actual ripoff.
890
00:42:40,765 --> 00:42:42,870
I have a small room and
then an incomplete hallway
891
00:42:42,905 --> 00:42:46,460
up in my ranch and
a tower with a bell.
892
00:42:46,494 --> 00:42:49,705
And I hired a hunched back
kid, oh, don't tell anybody.
893
00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:50,913
"I work on the weekends.
894
00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:53,916
"Mr. Williams said I'll
get a scholarship."
895
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:54,779
You will, Timmy.
896
00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:55,642
You will.
897
00:42:57,126 --> 00:42:58,541
When Harlan got me into the
idea of having these spaces,
898
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,199
crawl spaces filled
with this stuff that...
899
00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:05,065
Well, maybe we'll just
bury Harlan in the house.
900
00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:07,723
It'll be like Nefertiti and
we'll have to find some people.
901
00:43:07,757 --> 00:43:09,725
I'm sorry, we have to
bury you with Harlan.
902
00:43:09,759 --> 00:43:11,002
And these?
903
00:43:11,036 --> 00:43:12,417
- These are my
extra typewriters.
904
00:43:13,798 --> 00:43:14,695
Well, you gotta--
905
00:43:16,007 --> 00:43:17,180
- This is like an
ammunition dump.
906
00:43:17,215 --> 00:43:19,493
- Well, yeah, I use typewriters.
907
00:43:19,527 --> 00:43:21,012
They're all Olympias.
908
00:43:21,046 --> 00:43:24,429
And I have all my typewriter
ribbons in the refrigerator.
909
00:43:24,463 --> 00:43:25,844
- So they
won't deteriorate?
910
00:43:25,879 --> 00:43:27,121
- Yeah, 'cause you
can't get typewriter ribbons.
911
00:43:27,156 --> 00:43:28,640
- Aw, man.
912
00:43:30,055 --> 00:43:32,023
- The fact that he's
had the time in there
913
00:43:32,057 --> 00:43:34,819
to write even a couple of
stories that anybody read,
914
00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:38,098
let alone amazing stories that
have changed people's lives,
915
00:43:38,132 --> 00:43:40,825
let alone some of the best
television ever written,
916
00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:43,206
let alone having
time to have had sex
917
00:43:43,241 --> 00:43:45,277
with all those
women in the '70s.
918
00:43:46,209 --> 00:43:47,659
Where does he get the energy?
919
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:51,905
- I have never known anybody
that could seduce a woman
920
00:43:51,939 --> 00:43:53,700
as quickly as Harlan could.
921
00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:59,326
It became a passion with him
and he was an expert at it.
922
00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:03,433
- He saw more puss
than a litter box.
923
00:44:03,468 --> 00:44:05,228
That was part of him
in the early days.
924
00:44:05,263 --> 00:44:07,472
He was the one working the room.
925
00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:11,545
♪ Found out the ladies like
the little Hebrew boy ♪
926
00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:41,713
- The 25th of March,
50,000 people walking
927
00:44:41,748 --> 00:44:46,718
the red mud roads of
Alabama, singing, singing.
928
00:44:47,857 --> 00:44:50,549
The outsiders come to
tell a crazed bigot
929
00:44:50,584 --> 00:44:53,449
that the Civil
War was long dead,
930
00:44:53,483 --> 00:44:56,659
that a house divided
was soon to topple,
931
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:59,766
that the stain of evil
that Alabama had become
932
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,805
would no longer be tolerated
in a United States.
933
00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:07,739
The Freedom March on
Montgomery, Alabama.
934
00:45:08,671 --> 00:45:10,984
A biased report.
935
00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:14,850
And if you weren't marching
with us, go screw yourself.
936
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,302
I know the '60s were good
and I'll tell you why.
937
00:45:19,337 --> 00:45:20,614
I know they were good.
938
00:45:20,648 --> 00:45:23,375
In the '60s and
on into the '70s,
939
00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:24,618
you would go to a college
940
00:45:24,652 --> 00:45:27,828
and there was an
electrical charge.
941
00:45:27,863 --> 00:45:32,868
There was a sense that people
were weighing and evaluating,
942
00:45:34,041 --> 00:45:36,699
that they were taking
all the parts of society
943
00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:39,771
that we have lived with
for over 200 years,
944
00:45:39,806 --> 00:45:43,706
and they were sort of jostling
them and shaking them up
945
00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:46,813
and seeing which ones would
fall through the cultural sieve,
946
00:45:46,847 --> 00:45:50,575
and which ones had enough
weight and substance to stay.
947
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:52,784
I'm not saying that there
were not foolishness,
948
00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:55,787
love beads, and
people streaking.
949
00:45:57,202 --> 00:46:00,343
When an entire decade,
950
00:46:00,378 --> 00:46:01,793
and we're talking about
a decade that runs
951
00:46:01,828 --> 00:46:05,728
from about '61,
'62 to about '75,
952
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,523
so it's more than 10 years,
953
00:46:07,557 --> 00:46:09,697
but that era, when
one talks about it
954
00:46:09,732 --> 00:46:12,079
in terms of its dumbest parts
955
00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:14,530
rather than its
most noble parts,
956
00:46:14,564 --> 00:46:17,464
you know you were dealing
with a prejudiced,
957
00:46:17,498 --> 00:46:20,156
with a closed, and with
a mean spirited mind.
958
00:46:20,191 --> 00:46:22,676
And that's what
they invariably do.
959
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:24,091
They don't talk about
any of the things,
960
00:46:24,126 --> 00:46:26,680
all of the emerging
African nations,
961
00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:29,821
the Civil Rights Movement,
the Feminist Movement.
962
00:46:29,856 --> 00:46:32,617
They see the worst parts
of all of these things
963
00:46:32,651 --> 00:46:34,688
because they fear change.
964
00:46:34,722 --> 00:46:36,966
These are the
reactionary elements
965
00:46:37,001 --> 00:46:39,210
that have been in our society
since the very beginning.
966
00:46:39,244 --> 00:46:44,249
We have been always a fiercely
anti-intellectual nation.
967
00:46:45,181 --> 00:46:47,356
Fiercely anti-intellectual.
968
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,359
"If you're so smart,
why ain't you wealthy?"
969
00:46:50,393 --> 00:46:51,843
Or "You can't fight city hall."
970
00:46:51,878 --> 00:46:53,051
Or, "Who the hell do
you think you are?"
971
00:46:53,086 --> 00:46:54,777
Or, "I'm entitled
to my opinion."
972
00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,366
No, schmuck, you are not
entitled to your opinion.
973
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,540
You're entitled to
your informed opinion.
974
00:46:59,575 --> 00:47:01,128
Without information,
it's just babble,
975
00:47:01,163 --> 00:47:03,027
hot air, and farts in the wind.
976
00:47:03,061 --> 00:47:05,063
So, the '60s was a period
977
00:47:05,098 --> 00:47:08,135
in which a lot of
things were questioned.
978
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:10,344
They got smog in the
Aleutian Islands, man.
979
00:47:10,379 --> 00:47:12,484
They got smog in
Anchorage, Alaska.
980
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,971
They got smog at the polar
ice caps, can you believe it?
981
00:47:16,005 --> 00:47:18,421
Smog at the polar ice caps.
982
00:47:18,456 --> 00:47:20,630
There's no place that
you can go hide anymore.
983
00:47:20,665 --> 00:47:22,632
So, the days of thinking
984
00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:25,704
that the Thames or
the English Channel
985
00:47:25,739 --> 00:47:28,431
or the Rocky Mountains
was gonna keep you safe
986
00:47:28,466 --> 00:47:31,676
from some ding-dong on the
other side, doesn't go anymore.
987
00:47:33,264 --> 00:47:35,922
A nitwit in Hanoi
can blow us all
988
00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,889
just as dead as a
nitwit in Washington.
989
00:47:39,028 --> 00:47:41,168
College campuses are
very strange these days.
990
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,068
Mr. Nixon had his
way with this country
991
00:47:44,102 --> 00:47:47,554
after the college unrest
of the '60s and '70s,
992
00:47:47,588 --> 00:47:49,728
and you find a nice
quite hum there now.
993
00:47:49,763 --> 00:47:51,247
A lot of drinking going on
994
00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:55,527
and there's lot of trying
to get a piece of the pie,
995
00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:58,772
meaning getting into big
business and getting money.
996
00:47:58,806 --> 00:48:00,739
It's a replay of the
'50s in some ways.
997
00:48:00,774 --> 00:48:02,258
- What happens when
you're at a college campus
998
00:48:02,293 --> 00:48:03,535
and a kid stands up in the
back of the room and says,
999
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:04,709
"Oh, your just
trying to shock us
1000
00:48:04,743 --> 00:48:06,193
"when you say
something like that"?
1001
00:48:06,228 --> 00:48:09,300
- I usually call him
a dip and insult him
1002
00:48:09,334 --> 00:48:11,923
and invite him up to
duke it out on the stage.
1003
00:48:14,926 --> 00:48:17,135
All right, so we're at MIT.
- So, okay, we're at MIT,
1004
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:18,654
we're in the question
and answer bit.
1005
00:48:18,688 --> 00:48:21,450
We've all done a little talk.
1006
00:48:21,484 --> 00:48:23,693
We're now at the
giant Q and A bit.
1007
00:48:25,074 --> 00:48:26,834
A kid comes up, I don't
even remember what he said,
1008
00:48:26,869 --> 00:48:27,766
but it was stupid.
1009
00:48:28,975 --> 00:48:30,079
And it was ignorant.
1010
00:48:30,114 --> 00:48:30,942
- Yeah.
1011
00:48:32,012 --> 00:48:33,324
- And you lost it with him
1012
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:36,396
in a way that I would
never have lost it with him
1013
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:37,880
or that Peter David
would never lost it.
1014
00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:38,950
And it was a question
directed at you.
1015
00:48:38,985 --> 00:48:41,608
- Yeah.
- And you lost it.
1016
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:46,544
And the kid, but instead
of being upset or anything,
1017
00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:49,202
it was like the Bible.
1018
00:48:49,236 --> 00:48:52,964
It was strangely
biblical because the
kid basically said...
1019
00:48:52,999 --> 00:48:56,864
You gave him the "you are
ignorant, you know nothing" rant
1020
00:48:56,899 --> 00:49:00,109
and he basically
said, "Yes, master.
1021
00:49:00,144 --> 00:49:01,559
"I am ignorant."
1022
00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:04,942
- I'm concerned
that you seem to like
1023
00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:08,876
to offend or shock
people, which is okay,
1024
00:49:08,911 --> 00:49:11,845
but it seems that
you have wisdom
1025
00:49:11,879 --> 00:49:13,640
that you'd like to
share with most of us,
1026
00:49:13,674 --> 00:49:15,642
being dumb as posts, and--
1027
00:49:15,676 --> 00:49:16,884
- I get the
question, I get the question.
1028
00:49:16,919 --> 00:49:18,334
- With trying
to be irreverent--
1029
00:49:18,369 --> 00:49:19,991
- I got the question.
- You see where I'm going.
1030
00:49:20,026 --> 00:49:21,268
- No, I see where you went,
1031
00:49:21,303 --> 00:49:22,097
and I can answer the
question perfectly.
1032
00:49:24,478 --> 00:49:26,342
Now, put the microphone
back in its stand
1033
00:49:26,377 --> 00:49:27,274
and I'll give you the answer.
1034
00:49:27,309 --> 00:49:28,034
- It would be my pleasure.
1035
00:49:28,068 --> 00:49:29,552
- Good.
1036
00:49:29,587 --> 00:49:31,002
Okay, first of all,
1037
00:49:31,037 --> 00:49:34,040
give me an honest straight
answer, for yourself.
1038
00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:35,903
Do you think you
are dumb as a post?
1039
00:49:42,082 --> 00:49:43,256
Shut the fuck up. I'm serious.
1040
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:44,602
Do you think you're
dumb as a post?
1041
00:49:44,636 --> 00:49:45,568
- Yes.
1042
00:49:57,649 --> 00:49:58,926
- Why do you
think that of yourself?
1043
00:49:58,961 --> 00:50:01,481
The fact that you
asked the question
1044
00:50:01,515 --> 00:50:03,138
means you are not
dumb as a post.
1045
00:50:04,346 --> 00:50:06,210
- No matter what
his position was,
1046
00:50:06,244 --> 00:50:09,696
he knew what he felt and
what he wanted to say,
1047
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:12,216
and he was gonna be damned
if he was gonna be run off
1048
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:14,908
that stage by a bunch of
yahoos in this audience.
1049
00:50:14,942 --> 00:50:16,565
And that image
really struck with me
1050
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:18,394
and really made an
impression on me
1051
00:50:18,429 --> 00:50:20,603
about what it meant
to write something,
1052
00:50:20,638 --> 00:50:22,329
to stand behind it,
to believe in it,
1053
00:50:22,364 --> 00:50:25,505
and to not care if you were
the only one in the room
1054
00:50:25,539 --> 00:50:27,990
that believed that you
still stood by the work.
1055
00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:31,580
- As Kafka said,
"Art is like a brick.
1056
00:50:31,614 --> 00:50:33,099
"It should be thrown
through a window.
1057
00:50:33,133 --> 00:50:34,893
"If it does not break the
ice that lives within you,
1058
00:50:34,928 --> 00:50:36,309
"why bother to do it?"
1059
00:50:36,343 --> 00:50:39,450
So, if I seem to you to
be offensive, so be it.
1060
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:42,211
- When I was in ninth grade,
1061
00:50:42,246 --> 00:50:44,075
I had an English teacher
named Janet Goldstein.
1062
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:46,664
And she saw something in me
1063
00:50:46,698 --> 00:50:50,495
and gave me a copy of
Ellison Wonderland,
1064
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:51,945
and I think this
is the original.
1065
00:50:51,979 --> 00:50:56,984
And I remember reading it,
getting about half way through,
1066
00:50:58,124 --> 00:50:59,470
this really is the
first time I ever said,
1067
00:50:59,504 --> 00:51:01,161
this is what I wanna do.
1068
00:51:01,196 --> 00:51:04,854
And I've got this
autograph in here.
1069
00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:07,478
It says, "Josh, you've got
to pay attention to this:
1070
00:51:07,512 --> 00:51:09,100
"My name is Harlan Ellison.
1071
00:51:09,135 --> 00:51:10,860
"I wrote this book for you.
1072
00:51:10,895 --> 00:51:14,899
"I am up ahead in time, the
year 2006 in your future.
1073
00:51:14,933 --> 00:51:17,729
"I came back in time and
used my empath-O-meter
1074
00:51:17,764 --> 00:51:20,525
"to plant in teacher Janet's
mind, in your ninth grade,
1075
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,219
"back in my past, 1979,
so she'll give it to you,
1076
00:51:24,253 --> 00:51:25,910
"and it's important
that you read it.
1077
00:51:25,944 --> 00:51:26,738
"See you soon.
1078
00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:28,292
"Your pal, Harlan."
1079
00:51:28,326 --> 00:51:31,536
And Harlan Ellison is the man
who made me wanna be a writer,
1080
00:51:31,571 --> 00:51:34,470
and, for me at least, the
question of why Harlan matters
1081
00:51:34,505 --> 00:51:35,506
is answered by that.
1082
00:51:54,663 --> 00:51:56,665
- Among you, and not
even introduced today,
1083
00:51:56,699 --> 00:51:58,598
probably because Marshal
didn't know he was here,
1084
00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:00,289
and that is not Marshal's fault,
1085
00:52:00,324 --> 00:52:04,086
is probably the best writer
of us all in the room.
1086
00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:05,432
The best writer of us all.
1087
00:52:05,467 --> 00:52:08,159
A writer named Dan Simmons.
1088
00:52:08,194 --> 00:52:09,091
Where are you Dan?
1089
00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:12,267
There's Dan Simmons.
1090
00:52:12,301 --> 00:52:15,270
If you have not read his
book, Song of Kali, K-A-L-I,
1091
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,207
you are missing one of the
important books of our time.
1092
00:52:21,241 --> 00:52:24,969
It is the first novel
so blindingly brilliant
1093
00:52:25,003 --> 00:52:26,315
that it won the
World Fantasy Award.
1094
00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:27,696
First time a first
novel ever did.
1095
00:52:37,084 --> 00:52:39,742
- As you jump from genre
to genre, what's next?
1096
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:42,952
- Thought I'd stay out
of genre for a while.
1097
00:52:42,987 --> 00:52:45,679
There's this genre
called best seller-dom,
1098
00:52:45,714 --> 00:52:46,956
I thought I'd give it a shot.
1099
00:52:57,174 --> 00:53:00,073
I research while I write and
serendipity would lead me
1100
00:53:00,107 --> 00:53:01,833
to new information all
through the writing.
1101
00:53:01,868 --> 00:53:03,352
- Oh, wow.
1102
00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:04,215
Thank you very much.
1103
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:05,803
- Thanks for coming.
1104
00:53:05,837 --> 00:53:07,184
Excuse me, time
out just a minute.
1105
00:53:07,218 --> 00:53:09,013
I'll give this to you now.
1106
00:53:09,047 --> 00:53:09,841
I brought this...
1107
00:53:15,571 --> 00:53:16,400
I got up in the
middle of the night
1108
00:53:16,434 --> 00:53:17,918
before I left on tour...
1109
00:53:22,647 --> 00:53:24,546
Harlan's meeting with
me at a workshop,
1110
00:53:24,580 --> 00:53:27,445
a small workshop in Colorado,
became the stuff of legend,
1111
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,136
but do you know about this?
1112
00:53:29,171 --> 00:53:30,931
It's a fairytale, but it's true.
1113
00:53:32,657 --> 00:53:35,246
Harlan Ellison told me
what I'd known for years,
1114
00:53:35,281 --> 00:53:37,524
but had lost the
nerve to believe.
1115
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,389
He told me that I had no
choice but to continue writing,
1116
00:53:40,424 --> 00:53:42,564
whether anything was
ever published or not.
1117
00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:44,980
He told me that few
heard the music,
1118
00:53:45,014 --> 00:53:49,260
but those who did, had no
choice but to follow the piper.
1119
00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:50,779
He told me that if
I didn't get back
1120
00:53:50,813 --> 00:53:52,815
to the typewriter
and keep working,
1121
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:56,094
that he would fly to Colorado
and rip my fucking nose off.
1122
00:53:57,268 --> 00:53:58,649
- I adore Dan Simmons.
1123
00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:01,824
But whenever he's
got a bad situation
1124
00:54:01,859 --> 00:54:03,101
with a producer or something,
1125
00:54:03,136 --> 00:54:04,344
he'll either come
to town and say,
1126
00:54:04,379 --> 00:54:05,828
"Okay, here's what
the situation is.
1127
00:54:05,863 --> 00:54:08,279
"Tell me what to do," or
"Tell me what you would do,"
1128
00:54:08,314 --> 00:54:10,281
which is mostly, he doesn't
want to know what he should do.
1129
00:54:10,316 --> 00:54:11,593
He just wants to
know what I would do.
1130
00:54:11,627 --> 00:54:13,802
And I said, well,
I'd get a garden hoe
1131
00:54:13,836 --> 00:54:16,011
and I'd bury it in the
motherfucker's head.
1132
00:54:35,237 --> 00:54:37,998
- What was different
about Dangerous Visions?
1133
00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:43,418
- Well, the stories were
written especially for the book,
1134
00:54:43,452 --> 00:54:48,181
and so by intent, the anthology
tried to go some places
1135
00:54:48,215 --> 00:54:50,321
that anthologies
had not gone before.
1136
00:54:54,946 --> 00:54:58,433
As much vehemence as is put
into restrictions on writers,
1137
00:54:58,467 --> 00:55:00,573
as much as they're
told don't curse,
1138
00:55:00,607 --> 00:55:02,713
don't write about unnatural sex,
1139
00:55:02,747 --> 00:55:04,404
don't offend the establishment,
1140
00:55:05,371 --> 00:55:09,133
by most of the commercial media,
1141
00:55:09,167 --> 00:55:10,824
that was the same vehemence
1142
00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:13,413
with which I told the
writers, get it on.
1143
00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:14,897
Really do it.
1144
00:55:14,932 --> 00:55:17,728
I really want you to write what
you've never written before.
1145
00:55:17,762 --> 00:55:21,214
I want you to just put
your stomach on paper.
1146
00:55:21,248 --> 00:55:24,079
It was the best fucking
anthology anybody had ever done
1147
00:55:24,113 --> 00:55:26,253
in the genre of
imaginative literature,
1148
00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:29,256
and has sold more copies
than any other anthology
1149
00:55:29,291 --> 00:55:30,810
from that time to this time,
1150
00:55:30,844 --> 00:55:33,053
prior to that time,
in between that time.
1151
00:55:33,088 --> 00:55:35,366
It's now in its 35th year and
people are still reading it,
1152
00:55:35,401 --> 00:55:37,334
and people are still
getting it in high schools
1153
00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:39,128
and taking it off the
shelves and reading it.
1154
00:55:39,163 --> 00:55:42,339
It made reputations,
and was important enough
1155
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,031
that it became a
millstone around my neck,
1156
00:55:45,065 --> 00:55:46,826
because I was then pressed
into doing the sequel,
1157
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,862
Again Dangerous Visions in '72.
1158
00:55:48,897 --> 00:55:50,139
And they bought so
many stories for that,
1159
00:55:50,174 --> 00:55:51,348
that I had to go
onto a third book,
1160
00:55:51,382 --> 00:55:52,625
which has never yet come out.
1161
00:56:17,132 --> 00:56:20,411
- I think that he could have
been and he still could be
1162
00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:23,449
a giant in American Literature
1163
00:56:25,105 --> 00:56:27,142
if he was able
1164
00:56:29,316 --> 00:56:32,975
to bring himself to sit down
1165
00:56:33,010 --> 00:56:36,116
and do a full-blown work.
1166
00:56:37,463 --> 00:56:39,430
- Nothing has hurt his writing.
1167
00:56:39,465 --> 00:56:42,295
It's as fresh and colorful
1168
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:48,957
and insightful as
the very first story
1169
00:56:48,991 --> 00:56:50,648
that he ever published.
1170
00:56:50,683 --> 00:56:53,824
Career is a different matter.
1171
00:56:55,204 --> 00:56:59,070
- You're talking about
somebody who has managed,
1172
00:57:01,072 --> 00:57:04,800
at one point there was
a de facto organization
1173
00:57:04,835 --> 00:57:07,216
that called itself the
Enemies of Ellison.
1174
00:57:12,567 --> 00:57:14,500
Out to get Harlan.
1175
00:57:14,534 --> 00:57:16,950
You have to live a
certain kind of life
1176
00:57:18,158 --> 00:57:20,057
in order to generate
something like that.
1177
00:57:22,646 --> 00:57:25,407
- This is my desk and
this is where I work,
1178
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:29,204
and I have iconic quotes
all over the place here
1179
00:57:29,238 --> 00:57:30,688
that mean a lot to me.
1180
00:57:31,724 --> 00:57:32,621
There is...
1181
00:57:33,726 --> 00:57:35,935
From Michelangelo,
"Trifles make perfection
1182
00:57:35,969 --> 00:57:38,213
"and perfection is no trifle."
1183
00:57:39,697 --> 00:57:44,012
From Rimbaud, "Genius is the
recovery of childhood at will."
1184
00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:47,256
And Eleanor Roosevelt,
1185
00:57:47,291 --> 00:57:50,674
"No one can make you feel
inferior without your consent."
1186
00:57:52,158 --> 00:57:55,748
Here is the quote that
I sort of work by.
1187
00:57:55,782 --> 00:57:59,406
It's from PJ Proby, the
rock singer, and it says,
1188
00:57:59,441 --> 00:58:02,099
"I am an artist, and should
be exempt from shit."
1189
00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:06,241
There's also, over here, a
Latin proverb which says,
1190
00:58:06,275 --> 00:58:08,243
"Sat ci sat bene," which means,
1191
00:58:08,277 --> 00:58:11,557
"It is done quickly enough
if it is done well,"
1192
00:58:11,591 --> 00:58:13,420
which is my response
to all editors
1193
00:58:13,455 --> 00:58:16,458
when they call me because
they have schedules.
1194
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,599
Perfectly candid, I don't give
a shit about their schedules.
1195
00:58:19,634 --> 00:58:22,878
I work at the pace that
the work demands I work.
1196
00:58:22,913 --> 00:58:26,503
- I remember once
arriving in Los Angeles
1197
00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,850
and calling Harlan to let
him know that I was here
1198
00:58:28,884 --> 00:58:30,334
and him saying, "Just
come up to the house.
1199
00:58:30,368 --> 00:58:32,094
"Come up to the house now."
1200
00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,546
And I thought, oh, okay.
1201
00:58:35,581 --> 00:58:39,067
Came up to the house and
he came over to me, said,
1202
00:58:39,101 --> 00:58:42,933
"Look, this is," and he
introduced this editor to me.
1203
00:58:42,967 --> 00:58:44,728
And he said, "Now,
come in here with me."
1204
00:58:44,762 --> 00:58:47,627
And I came in, he
said, "She's come down.
1205
00:58:47,662 --> 00:58:49,526
"I told her I'd
finish this story
1206
00:58:50,665 --> 00:58:53,460
"and I haven't
actually finished it.
1207
00:58:53,495 --> 00:58:56,049
"I told her that
FedEx wasn't working,
1208
00:58:56,912 --> 00:58:58,914
"I had a problem with FedEx,
1209
00:58:58,949 --> 00:59:01,089
"and she's turned
up here to get it.
1210
00:59:02,504 --> 00:59:06,232
"Can you keep her talking
while I write it?"
1211
00:59:07,682 --> 00:59:09,649
- Sometimes when I
don't wanna work, I,
1212
00:59:10,616 --> 00:59:11,962
oh, gee, have to dust.
1213
00:59:12,825 --> 00:59:14,067
The desk is a little dusty.
1214
00:59:14,102 --> 00:59:16,587
And, God, I wonder if I
should transcribe this
1215
00:59:16,622 --> 00:59:19,038
from pencil to ink, yeah.
1216
00:59:22,317 --> 00:59:25,285
I'm absolutely a genius
1217
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,427
at finding ways to avoid
doing the work I have to do.
1218
00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:34,087
- Without the writer,
1219
00:59:34,122 --> 00:59:35,986
most of what we
watch on television
1220
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:39,852
would be no more exciting
than animated test patterns.
1221
00:59:39,886 --> 00:59:43,338
Few writers have written
for and about television
1222
00:59:43,372 --> 00:59:46,272
with more success
than Harlan Ellison.
1223
00:59:46,306 --> 00:59:50,828
Ellison enjoys an adversary
relationship with the medium.
1224
00:59:50,863 --> 00:59:52,071
- So CBS called me,
1225
00:59:52,105 --> 00:59:54,418
I guess it was about
six or eight weeks ago.
1226
00:59:54,452 --> 00:59:56,558
And they said, "We want
you to write a miniseries.
1227
00:59:56,593 --> 01:00:00,010
"$360,000."
1228
01:00:00,044 --> 01:00:01,321
I will say that again slowly.
1229
01:00:01,356 --> 01:00:04,497
$360,000.
1230
01:00:04,531 --> 01:00:07,949
Now, I don't know, I can't
picture in mind $360,000.
1231
01:00:07,983 --> 01:00:09,398
When I think of it, all
I can see in my mind
1232
01:00:09,433 --> 01:00:11,435
is a big nickel, okay?
1233
01:00:11,469 --> 01:00:13,506
They call me and they say, "We
want you to do a miniseries,
1234
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:15,646
"anything you wanna write,
anything you wanna write."
1235
01:00:15,681 --> 01:00:17,648
They wanted fantasy
or science-fiction,
something like that.
1236
01:00:17,683 --> 01:00:19,374
They said, "All
we require is that
1237
01:00:20,547 --> 01:00:22,135
"you use latest
state of the art."
1238
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:23,343
I said, what?
1239
01:00:23,378 --> 01:00:24,586
They said, "Use latest
state of the art."
1240
01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:25,794
I said, well, I
use a typewriter.
1241
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:28,521
Papyrus and quills are
so hard to come by.
1242
01:00:28,555 --> 01:00:29,695
They said, "No, no."
1243
01:00:30,868 --> 01:00:34,527
After we got through
this semantic jungle,
1244
01:00:34,561 --> 01:00:36,115
I found that what they
were talking about
1245
01:00:36,149 --> 01:00:37,703
was special effects,
1246
01:00:37,737 --> 01:00:40,706
that they had all kinds
of crazed special effects,
1247
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:45,607
laser blasts and robots
and a lot of metal things,
1248
01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:47,160
and they wanted me to
put a lot of things
1249
01:00:47,195 --> 01:00:49,197
that made booms in space,
the vacuum of space,
1250
01:00:49,231 --> 01:00:50,681
where there is no sound.
1251
01:00:50,716 --> 01:00:52,925
And as long as I would do
that, they didn't give a damn.
1252
01:00:52,959 --> 01:00:55,272
They didn't give a
French fry in hell
1253
01:00:55,306 --> 01:00:56,583
what the story was about.
1254
01:00:56,618 --> 01:00:58,793
I could have had talking
mice, they didn't care.
1255
01:00:58,827 --> 01:01:01,381
And I said, put it in your
rear and get out of my face.
1256
01:01:01,416 --> 01:01:04,315
Just get back in the
wind and leave me alone.
1257
01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:06,455
- Television is a
lot of compromise,
1258
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:09,148
especially running a how
over a course of a season.
1259
01:01:09,182 --> 01:01:12,116
It's about managing compromise
and picking battles.
1260
01:01:12,151 --> 01:01:14,740
I'm gonna fight for this
and I'll let that go.
1261
01:01:14,774 --> 01:01:17,708
And I don't know if
that's in Harlan's makeup.
1262
01:01:17,743 --> 01:01:19,192
I think he fights
all the battles
1263
01:01:19,227 --> 01:01:22,195
'cause I think he thinks all
the battles are worth fighting.
1264
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:25,302
Sure, you could
compromise on that,
1265
01:01:25,336 --> 01:01:26,579
but then it's gonna suck.
1266
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,998
- Through all the
legends of ancient peoples,
1267
01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:36,347
Assyrian, Babylonian,
Sumerian, Semitic,
1268
01:01:36,382 --> 01:01:38,764
runs the saga of
the eternal man.
1269
01:01:40,144 --> 01:01:42,940
- It's funny because
I can't remember...
1270
01:01:44,424 --> 01:01:45,494
I have to really strain to
think about what happened
1271
01:01:45,529 --> 01:01:46,910
on the last episode of Heroes
1272
01:01:46,944 --> 01:01:50,465
or what my agent's
daughter's name is,
1273
01:01:50,499 --> 01:01:52,743
but I can remember
where I was sitting
1274
01:01:52,778 --> 01:01:54,193
and what the TV looked like
1275
01:01:54,227 --> 01:01:56,160
when I first saw Demon
with a Glass Hand.
1276
01:01:56,195 --> 01:01:57,990
- I was
born 10 days ago.
1277
01:01:59,129 --> 01:02:01,372
A full grown man
born 10 days ago.
1278
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,824
And they tracked me down
and tried to kill me.
1279
01:02:06,757 --> 01:02:07,551
Why?
1280
01:02:08,448 --> 01:02:09,242
Who are you?
1281
01:02:10,381 --> 01:02:11,797
I ran.
1282
01:02:11,831 --> 01:02:16,836
Then the hand, my hand,
told me what to do.
1283
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:20,046
- 70
billion Earth men.
1284
01:02:20,081 --> 01:02:25,086
All of them went onto the wire
and the wire went into you.
1285
01:02:26,294 --> 01:02:27,951
They programmed you to
think you were a human
1286
01:02:27,985 --> 01:02:31,575
with a surgically attached
computer for a hand.
1287
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:33,922
But you are a robot trapped.
1288
01:02:35,096 --> 01:02:37,029
You are the guardian
of the human race.
1289
01:02:40,618 --> 01:02:42,241
- Still, to this day,
when you meet someone
1290
01:02:42,275 --> 01:02:44,795
and you talk about old
TV shows or something
1291
01:02:44,830 --> 01:02:46,452
and you get into
the Outer Limits,
1292
01:02:46,486 --> 01:02:48,178
when that episode comes up,
1293
01:02:48,212 --> 01:02:50,594
there's this look people get
in their eyes when they talk.
1294
01:02:50,628 --> 01:02:52,596
"Oh, ever see the one with
Robert Culp and the hand.
1295
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:54,425
"Remember the hand
and the fingers?"
1296
01:02:55,944 --> 01:02:59,499
- So, I write this
Star Trek episode,
1297
01:02:59,534 --> 01:03:02,951
which, I am told by
only the wisest heads,
1298
01:03:02,986 --> 01:03:07,991
is the all-time best Star
Trek segment ever written.
1299
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:10,683
It was called City on
the Edge of Forever.
1300
01:03:10,717 --> 01:03:13,030
And it was mucked about
by a lot of people,
1301
01:03:13,065 --> 01:03:14,549
including Roddenberry,
1302
01:03:14,583 --> 01:03:18,415
and they put a much inferior
version of it on the air.
1303
01:03:18,449 --> 01:03:23,454
This is a scene in
which Kirk and Spock...
1304
01:03:25,249 --> 01:03:26,837
These two guys walk
into the time portal,
1305
01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:28,321
they come out on the other side
1306
01:03:28,356 --> 01:03:32,947
and they see a lot rocks and
the rocks have runes on them.
1307
01:03:32,981 --> 01:03:34,431
R-U-N-E-S.
1308
01:03:34,465 --> 01:03:37,675
Unfortunately, the person
who did the set design
1309
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:39,712
didn't know what
the word runes meant
1310
01:03:39,746 --> 01:03:41,714
and he thought it meant ruins.
1311
01:03:41,748 --> 01:03:44,717
So, instead of having
large, obelisk,
1312
01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:47,582
Stonehenge-like stones,
1313
01:03:48,997 --> 01:03:53,105
pilasters if you will, with
runes on them, archaic glyphs,
1314
01:03:53,139 --> 01:03:55,486
they had old broken stones.
1315
01:03:55,521 --> 01:03:56,798
And you're supposed
to be able to see
1316
01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,869
this city up on the crest.
1317
01:03:58,904 --> 01:04:00,526
That was the city on
the edge of Forever.
1318
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,976
La-di-da.
1319
01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:05,220
And this is the way I
described it in my script.
1320
01:04:05,255 --> 01:04:08,223
There's a panning
shot, like this,
1321
01:04:08,258 --> 01:04:12,745
from Kirk's immediate right,
around the bowl of the plateau.
1322
01:04:12,779 --> 01:04:14,851
The gray sky, you
can see the gray sky,
1323
01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:16,783
past the rock prominences.
1324
01:04:16,818 --> 01:04:18,716
Light and an eerie mist
1325
01:04:18,751 --> 01:04:21,443
that gives the entire
area an ethereal look.
1326
01:04:21,478 --> 01:04:23,963
There are niches
in the rock walls,
1327
01:04:23,998 --> 01:04:25,896
boulders of the same
bright substance
1328
01:04:25,931 --> 01:04:28,140
here and there,
on a higher peak.
1329
01:04:28,174 --> 01:04:33,179
But still, quite far off, the
city, this magnificent city
1330
01:04:34,284 --> 01:04:36,113
glittering like a
hashish eater's dream.
1331
01:04:36,148 --> 01:04:38,184
And as the camera pans around,
1332
01:04:38,219 --> 01:04:43,224
we see, for the first time,
the Guardians of Forever.
1333
01:04:44,087 --> 01:04:45,260
The shot continues a beat
1334
01:04:45,295 --> 01:04:47,124
and then the camera
zooms in on them
1335
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:50,196
who, for just that beat,
1336
01:04:50,231 --> 01:04:53,372
they had looked almost like
part of the stone walls.
1337
01:04:53,406 --> 01:04:54,960
Then they come away and you see
1338
01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,170
they are men as the
camera closes on them.
1339
01:04:58,204 --> 01:05:01,345
And Kirk says with
wonder, "Who are you?"
1340
01:05:02,243 --> 01:05:03,451
And the first Guardian answers
1341
01:05:03,485 --> 01:05:06,005
with a voice of power,
incalculable power,
1342
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,044
"We are the Guardians
of Forever."
1343
01:05:10,078 --> 01:05:13,944
And Kirk says, "You
live in that city?"
1344
01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,152
And the Guardian says,
1345
01:05:15,187 --> 01:05:18,086
"Since before your sun
burned hot in space.
1346
01:05:18,121 --> 01:05:20,399
"Before your race was born."
1347
01:05:21,607 --> 01:05:25,645
And Spock says, "This
place is dead, empty.
1348
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,854
"Why do you stay?"
1349
01:05:27,889 --> 01:05:28,717
And the First Guardian says,
1350
01:05:28,752 --> 01:05:30,271
"Only on this world
1351
01:05:30,305 --> 01:05:34,965
"do the million pulse-flows
of time and space merge.
1352
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,831
"Only here do the flux
lines of Forever meet.
1353
01:05:38,865 --> 01:05:42,800
"Only here can exist
the gateway to the past
1354
01:05:42,835 --> 01:05:45,872
"where the Time Vortex
of the Ancients can work.
1355
01:05:45,907 --> 01:05:46,735
"Only here."
1356
01:05:48,185 --> 01:05:50,015
And Spock, very
scientific, says,
1357
01:05:51,016 --> 01:05:52,534
"Can you give us
a demonstration?
1358
01:05:52,569 --> 01:05:54,881
"Is that possible?"
1359
01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:58,368
And the Guardian's
answer is oddly tinged
1360
01:05:58,402 --> 01:06:00,922
with weariness and yet pleasure.
1361
01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:03,338
And he says,
1362
01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:06,997
"Time is weary for the craftsman
1363
01:06:07,032 --> 01:06:09,586
"who cannot
demonstrate his craft."
1364
01:06:12,934 --> 01:06:14,453
- Can I feel your goiter?
1365
01:06:14,487 --> 01:06:15,316
- Yeah, feel my goiter.
1366
01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:16,179
Go ahead.
1367
01:06:17,456 --> 01:06:18,733
- Oh, that's vile.
1368
01:06:18,767 --> 01:06:20,459
- Isn't that vile?
- That's vile.
1369
01:06:22,426 --> 01:06:23,910
- Major disgusting.
1370
01:06:23,945 --> 01:06:25,982
- This is just a
disgusting place to work.
1371
01:06:26,016 --> 01:06:28,191
- I dropped a piece of
sausage on the floor.
1372
01:06:28,225 --> 01:06:29,606
I feel like a schmuck.
1373
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:32,195
- Ew.
1374
01:06:32,229 --> 01:06:33,265
Ew, does that feel good?
1375
01:06:34,231 --> 01:06:35,439
You like that? You like that?
1376
01:06:36,785 --> 01:06:37,959
- Palping my podge.
1377
01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:44,483
I write a very
explanatory visual script.
1378
01:06:44,517 --> 01:06:47,624
I am not a believer in
writing master scenes
1379
01:06:47,658 --> 01:06:49,419
and leaving everything
up to everybody else.
1380
01:06:49,453 --> 01:06:51,869
When they hire me to write
a movie or a TV show,
1381
01:06:51,904 --> 01:06:53,078
I write what I see.
1382
01:06:53,112 --> 01:06:56,805
I run the movie in my
head and I describe it.
1383
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,360
The camera shots, the
music, everything.
1384
01:06:59,394 --> 01:07:02,121
I spent a page and a
half, in this script,
1385
01:07:02,156 --> 01:07:05,538
describing what the
main saloon looks like,
1386
01:07:05,573 --> 01:07:08,162
and I described it in detail.
1387
01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:09,163
I described the plants.
1388
01:07:09,197 --> 01:07:10,785
I described the furniture.
1389
01:07:10,819 --> 01:07:15,341
I said, this is a ship
filled with crap furniture
1390
01:07:15,376 --> 01:07:16,584
that came from thrift shops,
1391
01:07:16,618 --> 01:07:17,999
and the clothes everybody wears
1392
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:21,589
are from all periods
of American history,
1393
01:07:21,623 --> 01:07:23,832
all the way back to the
'30s for God's sakes.
1394
01:07:23,867 --> 01:07:27,008
And I'm looking at the character
1395
01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:29,321
that appears in the scene
that I'm doing today,
1396
01:07:29,355 --> 01:07:31,737
and I had very
specifically said,
1397
01:07:31,771 --> 01:07:35,844
this is a 13, 14,
15-year-old cheerleader.
1398
01:07:35,879 --> 01:07:37,191
This is a little girl.
1399
01:07:37,225 --> 01:07:39,779
Little slim, gymnast girl.
1400
01:07:39,814 --> 01:07:41,781
And the only thing about it
is she's very, very pretty,
1401
01:07:41,816 --> 01:07:43,300
except she's only got one eye,
1402
01:07:43,335 --> 01:07:46,579
this one gigantic eye in
the middle of her head.
1403
01:07:46,614 --> 01:07:51,067
And I looked at the design that
the costume designer had up
1404
01:07:51,101 --> 01:07:54,656
and it was some kind of
weird flowing schmata,
1405
01:07:55,795 --> 01:07:59,109
which is a Yiddish
word meaning schmata.
1406
01:07:59,144 --> 01:08:00,628
And--
1407
01:08:00,662 --> 01:08:02,008
- I think it's Yiddish
for not a cheerleader outfit.
1408
01:08:02,043 --> 01:08:03,217
- Not a cheerleader outfit.
1409
01:08:03,251 --> 01:08:04,735
I said, this is not
a cheerleader outfit.
1410
01:08:04,770 --> 01:08:08,049
She said, "Well I thought,"
and I do not want to hear that.
1411
01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,087
At that moment, my
creative instincts
1412
01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:13,675
override common civility,
and I said to her,
1413
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:15,988
no, no, no, you don't think,
1414
01:08:16,022 --> 01:08:19,025
you give me what I ask
for because I'm God!
1415
01:08:37,458 --> 01:08:42,394
I knew my film career was over
the night I saw The Oscar.
1416
01:08:42,428 --> 01:08:43,671
I practically wept.
1417
01:08:43,705 --> 01:08:47,502
- Hollywood's
biggest star, The Oscar.
1418
01:08:51,955 --> 01:08:55,407
- You're gonna be a very
important man in this town.
1419
01:08:55,441 --> 01:08:58,513
I scratch your back,
you scratch mine.
1420
01:08:58,548 --> 01:09:01,551
- And as I saw this film on
which I had worked for a year,
1421
01:09:01,585 --> 01:09:04,726
I said, this is the end
of my feature film career.
1422
01:09:05,762 --> 01:09:07,419
And I got one or two more jobs
1423
01:09:07,453 --> 01:09:10,663
because the film was
just opening and I
was the hot writer.
1424
01:09:10,698 --> 01:09:12,424
My 15 minutes
went like that
1425
01:09:12,458 --> 01:09:13,701
and I never regained it.
1426
01:09:13,735 --> 01:09:15,461
I never went back
to feature films.
1427
01:09:15,496 --> 01:09:17,567
- Listen, Buster, when
somebody dates me,
1428
01:09:17,601 --> 01:09:20,259
they better know that I
require a lot of attention.
1429
01:09:23,814 --> 01:09:25,230
- That oughta get
you some attention.
1430
01:09:26,748 --> 01:09:29,303
- Did you know from the
rushes that The Oscar
1431
01:09:29,337 --> 01:09:30,442
was gonna be what it was?
- I never saw the rushes.
1432
01:09:30,476 --> 01:09:31,719
Never saw the rushes.
1433
01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:33,859
They would not let me
see one moment of it.
1434
01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:37,483
I wrote the film for Steve
McQueen and Peter Falk,
1435
01:09:37,518 --> 01:09:41,004
both of whom were just beginning
on the rise in their career
1436
01:09:41,038 --> 01:09:42,247
and I knew how great they were.
1437
01:09:42,281 --> 01:09:45,560
And they cast Stephen
Boyd and Tony Bennett
1438
01:09:45,595 --> 01:09:47,079
in his only acting role.
1439
01:09:47,113 --> 01:09:50,082
And he's a nice man, but the
poor soul, he cannot act.
1440
01:09:50,116 --> 01:09:52,118
He hasn't got this
much acting ability.
1441
01:09:52,153 --> 01:09:54,293
He's a great performer,
he's a great singer,
1442
01:09:54,328 --> 01:09:55,329
not that much acting ability.
1443
01:09:55,363 --> 01:09:57,193
- What happened to me?!
1444
01:09:57,227 --> 01:09:58,366
When did I die?!
1445
01:09:58,401 --> 01:10:00,437
When did I get
buried inside you?!
1446
01:10:00,472 --> 01:10:02,301
- It gets a half a star.
1447
01:10:02,336 --> 01:10:03,820
A half a fucking star.
1448
01:10:03,854 --> 01:10:07,444
And it's always in the hundred
worst movies or 50 worst.
1449
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,653
Wouldn't matter if they
did the 20 worst movies,
1450
01:10:09,688 --> 01:10:11,655
it would be one of them.
1451
01:10:47,139 --> 01:10:50,107
Many of you have grown up
in a time when you think
1452
01:10:50,142 --> 01:10:51,592
that just because
you want something,
1453
01:10:51,626 --> 01:10:53,973
you're entitled to
fucking have it!
1454
01:10:54,008 --> 01:10:54,905
No, folks.
1455
01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:57,218
It's called paying for it.
1456
01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:58,702
That's how people live.
1457
01:11:00,394 --> 01:11:01,878
- No, it isn't just information.
1458
01:11:01,912 --> 01:11:04,501
It's like the old thing of
it's very special information
1459
01:11:04,536 --> 01:11:07,849
put out by a very special person
and it should be protected.
1460
01:11:07,884 --> 01:11:10,300
And he should be
compensated in some way,
1461
01:11:10,335 --> 01:11:12,923
at least, even in the
simplest way of all,
1462
01:11:12,958 --> 01:11:15,857
being acknowledged, saying,
yeah, he wrote this.
1463
01:11:16,824 --> 01:11:18,308
- You want your music?
1464
01:11:18,343 --> 01:11:19,758
Buy your music!
1465
01:11:19,792 --> 01:11:20,862
Go and buy it!
1466
01:11:21,932 --> 01:11:23,071
You want my books?
1467
01:11:23,106 --> 01:11:24,314
Put your hand down,
I'm on a roll.
1468
01:11:24,349 --> 01:11:26,074
You don't wanna get
in front of me now.
1469
01:11:27,352 --> 01:11:28,767
Really, you don't wanna
get in front of me now.
1470
01:11:28,801 --> 01:11:29,975
It's like walking in the
front of a McCormick thresher,
1471
01:11:30,009 --> 01:11:30,838
Sonny Jim.
1472
01:11:32,322 --> 01:11:34,151
Well, the ground
rules for me now
1473
01:11:35,463 --> 01:11:37,500
make it almost impossible
for me to be hired.
1474
01:11:37,534 --> 01:11:38,811
I ain't gonna go
through it anymore.
1475
01:11:38,846 --> 01:11:41,089
I'm just not gonna
go through it.
1476
01:11:41,124 --> 01:11:44,645
Producers, studios, production
companies, no matter...
1477
01:11:45,922 --> 01:11:47,510
They probably don't
beat their children,
1478
01:11:47,544 --> 01:11:49,374
they wouldn't think
of running over a dog,
1479
01:11:49,408 --> 01:11:52,377
they treat writers like chattel
1480
01:11:52,411 --> 01:11:54,413
and we're absolutely dispensable
1481
01:11:54,448 --> 01:11:56,898
once they have gotten
what they want out of us,
1482
01:11:56,933 --> 01:11:57,830
which is a script.
1483
01:11:57,865 --> 01:11:59,073
Until they get the script,
1484
01:11:59,107 --> 01:12:01,834
man, they just are
the most sycophantic
1485
01:12:01,869 --> 01:12:03,940
brown nosers you've ever seen.
1486
01:12:03,974 --> 01:12:07,323
Once they get those
pages in their hands,
1487
01:12:07,357 --> 01:12:09,325
you could be hit by a Peterbilt
1488
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:10,878
and they wouldn't give a fuck.
1489
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:14,468
And then they feel it's theirs,
1490
01:12:14,502 --> 01:12:15,607
they can do whatever they want.
1491
01:12:15,641 --> 01:12:18,057
And here comes a
director, a year later,
1492
01:12:18,092 --> 01:12:19,300
and says, "Well,
I see it this way
1493
01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,095
"and I see this and I see that."
1494
01:12:21,129 --> 01:12:22,096
Fuck you!
1495
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:23,097
You wanna get your vision?
1496
01:12:23,131 --> 01:12:24,754
You write the goddamn script.
1497
01:12:24,788 --> 01:12:27,066
Where were you when
the page was blank?
1498
01:12:27,101 --> 01:12:29,206
- Yeah, it's like a
skin graft on a leper.
1499
01:12:30,587 --> 01:12:34,833
He's always there trying
to bring quality, you know?
1500
01:12:34,867 --> 01:12:35,765
He's always been about that.
1501
01:12:35,799 --> 01:12:37,491
When he wrote The Glass Teat,
1502
01:12:37,525 --> 01:12:39,803
it was a great criticism
of the death of television
1503
01:12:39,838 --> 01:12:41,529
and the transformation
of television
1504
01:12:41,564 --> 01:12:44,877
into a medium versus media,
1505
01:12:44,912 --> 01:12:46,051
something that can transform
1506
01:12:46,085 --> 01:12:48,571
versus something
that just to conform.
1507
01:12:48,605 --> 01:12:52,091
- There are people who would
sit and watch them drag books
1508
01:12:52,126 --> 01:12:54,646
out of libraries and burn
them in piles in the streets,
1509
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,270
they would stand and watch
old ladies mugged to death
1510
01:12:58,304 --> 01:13:00,617
by street gangs and they
would not lift a finger,
1511
01:13:00,652 --> 01:13:02,170
but if you were to take
their TV away from them,
1512
01:13:02,205 --> 01:13:03,655
they would be on the
steps of city hall
1513
01:13:03,689 --> 01:13:07,175
with pitchforks and pump
shotguns in five minutes.
1514
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:08,798
That is because nobody likes
1515
01:13:08,832 --> 01:13:10,938
their dope taken away from them.
1516
01:13:10,972 --> 01:13:12,940
And that's what
TV is, it's dope.
1517
01:13:12,974 --> 01:13:14,251
We went up to
Fresno last weekend.
1518
01:13:14,286 --> 01:13:15,977
We stopped in a couple
of roadside places,
1519
01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:17,772
and all of them
had the TV set on.
1520
01:13:17,807 --> 01:13:19,153
Nobody watching!
1521
01:13:19,187 --> 01:13:20,948
But the goddamn TV set going.
1522
01:13:20,982 --> 01:13:22,398
And when you say, "Would you
mind turning off the TV?"
1523
01:13:22,432 --> 01:13:24,089
They say, "Why?"
1524
01:13:24,123 --> 01:13:25,815
'Cause it's making noise
and it's disturbing me,
1525
01:13:25,849 --> 01:13:27,437
and there's no one
else in the restaurant
1526
01:13:27,472 --> 01:13:29,370
and I'm your customer.
1527
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:30,578
Can you handle that?
1528
01:13:30,613 --> 01:13:33,650
And they look at you as
if you have just said
1529
01:13:33,685 --> 01:13:38,068
their grandmother was butt
fucked by Adolf Hitler.
1530
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:42,521
They simply feel imposed upon
1531
01:13:42,556 --> 01:13:45,973
if you remove that giant
tit from their mouth.
1532
01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:48,147
Well, people are stupid
1533
01:13:48,182 --> 01:13:50,702
because they've got the
handmaiden of television.
1534
01:13:50,736 --> 01:13:51,979
Television is not like movies.
1535
01:13:52,013 --> 01:13:53,221
Television is not like books.
1536
01:13:53,256 --> 01:13:55,431
Television is not like
anything but television.
1537
01:13:55,465 --> 01:13:57,018
It gives you everything.
1538
01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:58,572
I think it's ironic
that you probably,
1539
01:13:58,606 --> 01:14:01,747
whoever ever sees this will
be seeing it on a TV screen.
1540
01:14:01,782 --> 01:14:04,060
I doubt that they'll be seeing
it on a big movie screen.
1541
01:14:04,094 --> 01:14:05,233
And maybe it'll be a cassette,
1542
01:14:05,268 --> 01:14:07,581
but they'll be watching
it on a TV screen.
1543
01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:09,168
It gives you that.
1544
01:14:09,203 --> 01:14:10,204
It's not like radio.
1545
01:14:10,238 --> 01:14:11,964
Radio is wonderful.
1546
01:14:11,999 --> 01:14:14,277
Radio, you create it in your
mind, and you can see it.
1547
01:14:14,311 --> 01:14:16,935
You can make it just as
colorful and as smart
1548
01:14:16,969 --> 01:14:20,594
and as opulent as
you wish it to be.
1549
01:14:20,628 --> 01:14:22,596
On television, that's it.
1550
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,046
That's what you get, and
that's the whole thing.
1551
01:14:26,254 --> 01:14:27,704
This means you don't
have to work for it.
1552
01:14:27,739 --> 01:14:30,120
You can sit there like the
couch potato, and that's it.
1553
01:14:30,155 --> 01:14:33,123
You gotta have a good
thumb and that's about it.
1554
01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:34,539
That's one reason
people are stupid.
1555
01:14:34,573 --> 01:14:36,195
They just are not
using their brains.
1556
01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:38,370
You don't use a
muscle, it atrophies.
1557
01:14:39,336 --> 01:14:41,546
Susan, my wife, and I,
1558
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:43,409
one night we were
going somewhere.
1559
01:14:43,444 --> 01:14:44,894
We were channel surfing.
1560
01:14:44,928 --> 01:14:46,309
We were going somewhere,
I don't know where it was,
1561
01:14:46,343 --> 01:14:49,312
and we wound up, for some
inexplicable reason, we paused,
1562
01:14:49,346 --> 01:14:50,555
I don't know why, we paused
1563
01:14:50,589 --> 01:14:53,178
and were watching
The Weakest Link.
1564
01:14:53,212 --> 01:14:55,767
Now, if this is, in
fact, turned into a film,
1565
01:14:55,801 --> 01:14:57,596
and 20 years from now,
someone's looking at it,
1566
01:14:57,631 --> 01:14:59,425
they'll say, "What
was The Weakest Link?"
1567
01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:01,427
Weakest Link is
a television show
1568
01:15:01,462 --> 01:15:05,846
in which they have people who
are brought in as contestants.
1569
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,607
I think they are
tested on their DNA.
1570
01:15:08,642 --> 01:15:11,403
And if their intellectual
level falls below seven
1571
01:15:11,437 --> 01:15:14,544
or that of an ocelo sponge
mop, they become a contestant.
1572
01:15:14,579 --> 01:15:16,166
If you actually know anything,
1573
01:15:16,201 --> 01:15:18,686
you cannot possibly win a
dime on this goddamn show
1574
01:15:18,721 --> 01:15:21,413
because you are
surrounded by people
1575
01:15:21,447 --> 01:15:24,140
who have the intellectual
level of a marmoset.
1576
01:15:25,210 --> 01:15:29,041
So, one of the people
who was ,
1577
01:15:29,076 --> 01:15:30,905
she weathered the first
couple of rounds, I guess.
1578
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:32,907
And here she was standing there,
1579
01:15:32,942 --> 01:15:35,013
and she was a very well
turned out young woman,
1580
01:15:35,047 --> 01:15:37,153
about 25, I would say.
1581
01:15:37,187 --> 01:15:39,811
And the question that was
asked of her was this:
1582
01:15:39,845 --> 01:15:42,952
What S,
1583
01:15:42,986 --> 01:15:45,989
letter S, what S who was a star
1584
01:15:46,024 --> 01:15:49,855
of Lawrence of Arabia
wrote a long a running,
1585
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:52,271
award-winning bridge column?
1586
01:15:52,306 --> 01:15:55,309
Well, okay, it's not
a terribly obscure
1587
01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,552
piece of information.
1588
01:15:56,586 --> 01:15:57,691
I know some of you know it.
1589
01:15:57,725 --> 01:15:59,209
I know you know it.
1590
01:15:59,244 --> 01:16:02,109
But even if you don't know
that it was Omar Sharif,
1591
01:16:02,143 --> 01:16:04,801
her answer was Naomi Campbell.
1592
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:08,460
Now, this is wrong
in so many ways
1593
01:16:08,494 --> 01:16:11,014
that Susan and I sat there
1594
01:16:11,049 --> 01:16:14,431
with a hypertension buzz
running through our head,
1595
01:16:14,466 --> 01:16:17,987
as if we had stuck our
hand into a generator.
1596
01:16:18,021 --> 01:16:20,990
A, there's no S
in Naomi Campbell.
1597
01:16:22,716 --> 01:16:25,063
B, or two, whichever
I started with,
1598
01:16:25,097 --> 01:16:26,996
Naomi Campbell wasn't even born
1599
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:29,067
when Lawrence of
Arabia was made.
1600
01:16:29,101 --> 01:16:32,277
Three, Naomi Campbell
is a supermodel
1601
01:16:32,311 --> 01:16:33,519
who can barely write her name.
1602
01:16:33,554 --> 01:16:35,142
She may be the nicest
person in the world.
1603
01:16:35,176 --> 01:16:36,626
She wouldn't bite the
head off a chicken.
1604
01:16:36,661 --> 01:16:38,041
But Naomi Campbell
has never written
1605
01:16:38,076 --> 01:16:39,733
a column or anything else.
1606
01:16:39,767 --> 01:16:43,564
And this answer was so
stupid, was so wrong,
1607
01:16:43,599 --> 01:16:46,809
was so illiterate,
so culturally devoid
1608
01:16:46,843 --> 01:16:50,847
of any resonance at all
that around this house,
1609
01:16:50,882 --> 01:16:53,056
it now became the answer
to every question.
1610
01:16:53,091 --> 01:16:54,989
What was the name of the
ship that struck an iceberg
1611
01:16:55,024 --> 01:16:56,059
in the North Atlantic and sank?
1612
01:16:56,094 --> 01:16:57,267
The Naomi Campbell.
1613
01:16:57,302 --> 01:16:58,752
Who was it who
discovered radium?
1614
01:16:58,786 --> 01:16:59,994
Naomi Campbell.
1615
01:17:00,029 --> 01:17:01,375
Name the third president
of the United States.
1616
01:17:01,409 --> 01:17:02,859
Naomi Campbell.
1617
01:17:02,894 --> 01:17:05,068
Naomi Campbell is now the
answer in our household.
1618
01:17:05,103 --> 01:17:06,656
Whenever we wanna sound like
1619
01:17:06,691 --> 01:17:10,280
an absolute gibbering orangutan,
we use Naomi Campbell.
1620
01:17:11,903 --> 01:17:13,456
Hey, Sue!
1621
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:14,319
Susan!
1622
01:17:15,527 --> 01:17:16,666
Susan!
1623
01:17:16,701 --> 01:17:18,219
- Yeah?!
1624
01:17:18,254 --> 01:17:20,601
- Would you bring the hat
and the glasses, please?!
1625
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:21,637
- Okay, okay.
1626
01:17:21,671 --> 01:17:23,259
- Thank you, Susan!
1627
01:17:25,123 --> 01:17:26,918
Stay with me. Come on over here.
1628
01:17:26,952 --> 01:17:31,060
Over here, never get within,
never get outside, like that.
1629
01:17:31,888 --> 01:17:33,476
You strange woman, you.
1630
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:35,720
- Well, let's get a closeup
of that udder of yours.
1631
01:17:35,754 --> 01:17:36,755
- Oh my.
- Let's get a copy
1632
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:37,825
of the happy loving couple now.
1633
01:17:39,862 --> 01:17:41,001
- Hey.
1634
01:17:41,035 --> 01:17:41,967
- There we are.
1635
01:17:42,002 --> 01:17:43,451
Stop that, I got a better idea.
1636
01:17:43,486 --> 01:17:44,625
Put your arm around her.
1637
01:17:44,660 --> 01:17:45,730
Act like you love him.
1638
01:17:48,146 --> 01:17:49,112
- No!
1639
01:17:49,147 --> 01:17:51,459
- There you go.
1640
01:17:51,494 --> 01:17:52,495
- Kiss?
1641
01:17:52,529 --> 01:17:53,979
- It's my wife.
1642
01:17:54,014 --> 01:17:56,119
It is my wife, this
is my honey over here.
1643
01:17:57,742 --> 01:17:59,744
In every human
being there is only
1644
01:18:00,745 --> 01:18:02,781
so large a supply of love.
1645
01:18:04,231 --> 01:18:06,958
It's like the limbs of a
starfish, to some extent:
1646
01:18:06,992 --> 01:18:10,651
if you chew off a
chunk, it'll grow back.
1647
01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:14,068
But if you chew off too
much, the starfish dies.
1648
01:18:15,207 --> 01:18:17,727
Valerie B chewed
off a chunk of love
1649
01:18:17,762 --> 01:18:19,936
from my dwindling reserve,
1650
01:18:19,971 --> 01:18:24,803
a reserve already nibbled by
Charlotte and Lori and Sherri
1651
01:18:24,838 --> 01:18:29,843
and Cindy and others
down through the years.
1652
01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:31,914
There's still enough to make
1653
01:18:31,948 --> 01:18:34,606
a saleable appearance
of a whole creature,
1654
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,126
but nobody gets
gnawed on that way
1655
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,541
without becoming a little dead.
1656
01:18:38,575 --> 01:18:43,442
So, if Cupid, that perverted
little motherfucker,
1657
01:18:44,547 --> 01:18:46,169
decides his lightning
ought to strike
1658
01:18:46,204 --> 01:18:48,585
this gnarly tree trunk again,
1659
01:18:48,620 --> 01:18:51,209
whomever or whatever gets me,
1660
01:18:51,243 --> 01:18:54,281
is going to get a handy second,
1661
01:18:55,144 --> 01:18:57,249
damaged goods,
1662
01:18:57,284 --> 01:19:00,356
something a little dead
and a little crippled.
1663
01:19:00,390 --> 01:19:01,633
Having learned that,
1664
01:19:03,221 --> 01:19:07,328
all I can advise is
an impossible stance
for all of you:
1665
01:19:07,363 --> 01:19:11,781
utter openness and
reasonable caution.
1666
01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,024
Don't close yourself off,
1667
01:19:13,058 --> 01:19:16,924
but jeezus, be careful
of monsters with teeth.
1668
01:19:16,959 --> 01:19:18,477
I just hope you'll know
what they look like
1669
01:19:18,512 --> 01:19:20,756
when they come
clanking after you.
1670
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:22,447
The package is so pretty,
1671
01:19:22,481 --> 01:19:26,278
one can only urge you
to remember Pandora.
1672
01:19:26,313 --> 01:19:29,419
Be careful which boxes
you open, troops.
1673
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:35,632
- What's the
most embarrassing
thing Harlan has done
1674
01:19:35,667 --> 01:19:36,599
in front of you or to you?
1675
01:19:36,633 --> 01:19:37,565
Oh, sorry.
- Okay.
1676
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:41,466
He threw me out of
the house naked once.
1677
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:43,433
- She makes his demons go away.
1678
01:19:43,468 --> 01:19:46,471
They are an incredible couple
and she keeps up with him,
1679
01:19:46,505 --> 01:19:48,680
and she takes no shit from him,
1680
01:19:48,714 --> 01:19:50,924
and I've watched her
take no shit from him.
1681
01:19:54,859 --> 01:19:55,825
And they work.
1682
01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:57,137
- And I happened to be naked.
1683
01:19:57,171 --> 01:19:59,691
All my stories end
up with me naked.
1684
01:19:59,725 --> 01:20:01,244
- Those are the best.
1685
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:03,108
- She's the gift.
1686
01:20:03,143 --> 01:20:04,213
She is his...
1687
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:06,318
It's more than you could say
1688
01:20:06,353 --> 01:20:07,837
behind every great
man is a great behind,
1689
01:20:07,872 --> 01:20:09,321
and she does have
a beautiful ass,
1690
01:20:09,356 --> 01:20:11,289
and I know Harlan knows that.
1691
01:20:11,323 --> 01:20:14,154
But you just see her
and she's a light.
1692
01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:15,983
She is the light to his dark.
1693
01:20:16,018 --> 01:20:17,157
- He threw me out of the house.
1694
01:20:17,191 --> 01:20:18,192
I was completely naked, locked--
1695
01:20:18,227 --> 01:20:19,159
- Front door or backdoor?
1696
01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:20,608
- Front door, of course.
- Oh.
1697
01:20:20,643 --> 01:20:21,678
- Oh, is--
- Oh, all the neighbors
1698
01:20:21,713 --> 01:20:22,748
right there.
- And it's one of those
1699
01:20:22,783 --> 01:20:24,267
where you're out naked--
- Daylight?
1700
01:20:24,302 --> 01:20:25,544
- Daylight.
- You know those stained glass
1701
01:20:25,579 --> 01:20:26,856
windows on either
side of our door?
1702
01:20:26,891 --> 01:20:27,823
- Yeah.
1703
01:20:27,857 --> 01:20:29,169
- So we're wrestling around
1704
01:20:30,895 --> 01:20:33,863
and I said, ah, fuck this,
and I just put her outside.
1705
01:20:33,898 --> 01:20:35,037
And she was naked.
1706
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:39,938
This is the height of
decorum, this woman.
1707
01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:41,560
We're talking here,
someone who just,
1708
01:20:41,595 --> 01:20:44,080
and she's banging on
the door, and screaming,
1709
01:20:44,115 --> 01:20:46,565
"Let me in, let me in!"
1710
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,257
And I'm saying--
- Wait, you forget.
1711
01:20:48,291 --> 01:20:49,568
We live on a quiet street.
1712
01:20:49,603 --> 01:20:51,881
It's at that moment
that a herd of people
1713
01:20:51,916 --> 01:20:54,297
came marching down the hill.
- Oh, my god!
1714
01:20:54,332 --> 01:20:55,574
- Yeah.
1715
01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:57,231
Most of whom were
Jehovah's Witnesses.
1716
01:20:57,266 --> 01:20:59,268
- Did they offer you a
copy of Watchtower or Awake?
1717
01:20:59,302 --> 01:21:00,476
Have you heard the word
1718
01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:01,960
of God that day?
1719
01:21:01,995 --> 01:21:03,720
- Oh, I heard the
word of god that day.
1720
01:21:03,755 --> 01:21:05,239
- I don't know if you
sit down and discuss that
1721
01:21:05,274 --> 01:21:07,552
when you get married, "we're
going to behave this way,"
1722
01:21:07,586 --> 01:21:09,209
or if it just evolves,
1723
01:21:09,243 --> 01:21:11,383
but I think the short version
is that Harlan and Susan
1724
01:21:11,418 --> 01:21:13,385
know each other and
they get each other,
1725
01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:15,940
and more than almost
anybody I've ever seen,
1726
01:21:15,974 --> 01:21:20,876
and it's amazing to watch.
1727
01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:22,084
It's inspiring.
1728
01:21:22,118 --> 01:21:23,775
It gives me faith
in the human heart.
1729
01:21:25,397 --> 01:21:28,090
- To Nick without strings.
1730
01:21:28,124 --> 01:21:29,470
- Awesome.
1731
01:21:29,505 --> 01:21:30,920
- No, no, no, no, no.
1732
01:21:30,955 --> 01:21:32,577
Awesome would be Grand Canyon.
1733
01:21:32,611 --> 01:21:33,750
- Oh, okay.
1734
01:21:33,785 --> 01:21:35,925
- Awesome is the greater
Magellanic Cloud.
1735
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,411
A cheese quesadilla and my
signature are not awesome.
1736
01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:40,792
Would you use the word properly?
1737
01:21:40,826 --> 01:21:42,000
Your mother brought
you up right.
1738
01:21:42,035 --> 01:21:43,519
You went to college.
- Yes, all right.
1739
01:21:43,553 --> 01:21:45,762
- You're an intellectual, you
read a book a week, or more.
1740
01:21:45,797 --> 01:21:48,041
- So, sufficient?
1741
01:21:48,075 --> 01:21:50,767
- Sufficient, adequate, mundane.
1742
01:21:52,631 --> 01:21:55,393
- The only time I ever
heard him not talk,
1743
01:21:55,427 --> 01:21:56,808
not answer a question,
1744
01:21:56,842 --> 01:21:59,638
was down in Florida
and there was a panel,
1745
01:21:59,673 --> 01:22:02,814
and they asked four
big writers on stage:
1746
01:22:02,848 --> 01:22:04,816
How will posterity treat you?
1747
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:06,887
And do you think about it a lot?
1748
01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:08,958
And he just passed,
he didn't answer.
1749
01:22:08,993 --> 01:22:10,235
And then later, in private,
1750
01:22:10,270 --> 01:22:12,134
he said that he thinks
about it constantly.
1751
01:22:12,168 --> 01:22:13,721
He's interested about
what his legacy,
1752
01:22:13,756 --> 01:22:15,758
his literary legacy will be.
1753
01:22:15,792 --> 01:22:18,105
And I think the
very serious writers
1754
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:19,244
feel that way, and he does.
1755
01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:20,970
He just doesn't talk about it.
1756
01:22:21,005 --> 01:22:22,661
So I think his work will last.
1757
01:22:26,769 --> 01:22:28,288
But we never know, do we?
1758
01:22:28,322 --> 01:22:29,841
Otherwise, we'd all be
in the literature section
1759
01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:31,325
of this bookstore.
1760
01:22:32,878 --> 01:22:34,466
- I remember Steve
McQueen saying to me,
1761
01:22:34,501 --> 01:22:36,779
we were sitting out on
the patio of his house
1762
01:22:36,813 --> 01:22:38,781
up in the high
desert, long time ago,
1763
01:22:38,815 --> 01:22:39,989
of course it was a long time ago
1764
01:22:40,024 --> 01:22:41,163
'cause he's been dead
a number of years,
1765
01:22:41,197 --> 01:22:44,787
and Steve said, "I have
this recurring dream
1766
01:22:44,821 --> 01:22:46,547
"where I'm wakened
in the dead of night
1767
01:22:46,582 --> 01:22:48,066
"by this pounding on the door.
1768
01:22:48,101 --> 01:22:51,242
"And when I go downstairs,
there's a guy standing there,
1769
01:22:51,276 --> 01:22:52,484
"and he said, 'It
was all a mistake.
1770
01:22:52,519 --> 01:22:53,727
"'You weren't supposed
to get any of this,
1771
01:22:53,761 --> 01:22:55,280
"'not the wife, not the
house, not the career,
1772
01:22:55,315 --> 01:22:57,938
"'not the cars, not the
motorcycle, none of it.
1773
01:22:57,973 --> 01:23:00,113
"'It belongs to
the guy next door.
1774
01:23:00,147 --> 01:23:01,666
"'And we've come to take
it all away from you.'"
1775
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:03,944
And I've heard this
from other writers.
1776
01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:08,086
But when you're a writer,
you work for what you get.
1777
01:23:08,121 --> 01:23:10,813
You actually, you...
1778
01:23:10,847 --> 01:23:13,850
Foot pounds of energy are
expended to produce each story.
1779
01:23:13,885 --> 01:23:16,715
So, you should by
rights, like a farmer,
1780
01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:20,029
feel proud of that
field of corn.
1781
01:23:20,064 --> 01:23:22,445
Or like a bricklayer,
you should feel proud
1782
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,861
of that well-laid
line of bricks.
1783
01:23:24,896 --> 01:23:27,209
But, for some reason,
1784
01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,316
I suppose because we
feel that the talent
1785
01:23:31,351 --> 01:23:35,734
is only something that
we carry around with us,
1786
01:23:35,769 --> 01:23:37,874
that it hag rides us,
1787
01:23:40,153 --> 01:23:45,158
we as human beings, however
many I include in this group,
1788
01:23:46,297 --> 01:23:48,920
are simply not worthy
of the approbation.
1789
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,096
- Action!
1790
01:23:53,545 --> 01:23:54,753
- Why are you talking tuchus?
1791
01:23:54,788 --> 01:23:55,651
Why are you talking tuchus?
1792
01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:56,997
What are you a pervert?
1793
01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:58,930
This is a child we
are talking about.
1794
01:23:58,964 --> 01:24:00,138
I don't know why--
1795
01:24:00,173 --> 01:24:01,070
- Yeah, so what?
- Not to mention,
1796
01:24:01,105 --> 01:24:02,347
you're an ugly man as well.
1797
01:24:02,382 --> 01:24:03,762
- Well, I don't know,
but I can still do it.
1798
01:24:03,797 --> 01:24:04,936
- Yeah!
- Yeah, yeah.
1799
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:05,764
- Work with that.
- Ken Kramer
1800
01:24:05,799 --> 01:24:07,145
and Mr. Harlan Ellison!
1801
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:08,008
- Yes, okay!
1802
01:24:08,043 --> 01:24:08,940
- Oy!
- Oy!
1803
01:24:08,974 --> 01:24:09,906
- Oy.
- Oy vey!
1804
01:24:09,941 --> 01:24:12,081
- Oy vey!
1805
01:24:12,116 --> 01:24:13,082
Can I go home now, mother?
1806
01:24:13,117 --> 01:24:14,187
- Well played.
1807
01:24:14,221 --> 01:24:15,222
- They'll cut us out.
1808
01:24:15,257 --> 01:24:16,292
We'll be cut out.
1809
01:24:17,742 --> 01:24:22,195
There's a fundamentalist
minister, marvelous,
marvelous guy,
1810
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:27,131
who is doing this huge, for
his doctorate in theology,
1811
01:24:27,165 --> 01:24:29,340
on me and on my fiction.
1812
01:24:29,374 --> 01:24:31,963
And he says that I
"have an atheist message
1813
01:24:31,997 --> 01:24:35,725
"of righteousness that
fundamentalist Christians
1814
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,005
"should not be ignoring, but
then I say the same thing."
1815
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,042
The story of mine
that was picked
1816
01:24:42,077 --> 01:24:43,595
for the best American
short stories is called
1817
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:47,427
The Man Who Rowed
Christopher Columbus Ashore.
1818
01:24:47,461 --> 01:24:50,740
And it's my atheist tract,
1819
01:24:50,775 --> 01:24:54,503
and its says the universe is
neither malign nor benign.
1820
01:24:54,537 --> 01:24:56,125
It doesn't even know we're here.
1821
01:24:57,264 --> 01:24:58,265
See, first of all,
I've got to tell you.
1822
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:59,473
I was raised a Jew.
1823
01:24:59,508 --> 01:25:00,923
I am an atheist.
1824
01:25:00,957 --> 01:25:02,442
I'm not an agnostic, not one
of those wusses that says,
1825
01:25:02,476 --> 01:25:03,960
"Well, maybe," you know?
1826
01:25:05,203 --> 01:25:08,103
If there were a god, by
now, she'd have hit me
1827
01:25:08,137 --> 01:25:11,313
with a bolt of lightning
in the ass, long since.
1828
01:25:11,347 --> 01:25:12,452
So I am an atheist.
1829
01:25:12,486 --> 01:25:14,488
I'm a card carrying,
fully bound,
1830
01:25:14,523 --> 01:25:16,973
right out there atheist, okay?
1831
01:25:17,008 --> 01:25:17,905
Okay.
1832
01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:18,941
And I know most of you are too,
1833
01:25:18,975 --> 01:25:20,356
but you don't want to cop to it
1834
01:25:20,391 --> 01:25:21,599
because you're afraid
everybody else's gonna say,
1835
01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:23,152
"Don't you believe in
the Second Coming?"
1836
01:25:23,187 --> 01:25:24,740
I don't even believe in
first fucking coming.
1837
01:25:26,673 --> 01:25:29,365
I find nothing more
ridiculous and annoying
1838
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,367
than some guy who
runs a hundred yards,
1839
01:25:32,644 --> 01:25:37,270
runs a kick off back 105
yards from the end zone
1840
01:25:37,304 --> 01:25:40,031
and drops to his
knees and thanks God.
1841
01:25:40,065 --> 01:25:41,377
Well, that's foolish.
1842
01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:43,103
God didn't do it, he did it,
1843
01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:44,587
because if God did that for him,
1844
01:25:44,622 --> 01:25:46,831
you mean God was
against the other team?
1845
01:25:46,865 --> 01:25:48,315
God is that mean-spirited
1846
01:25:48,350 --> 01:25:50,041
that he has nothing better
to do on a Sunday afternoon
1847
01:25:50,075 --> 01:25:53,148
than beat the crap out of a
bunch of poor football players?
1848
01:25:53,182 --> 01:25:54,528
I don't perceive of the
universe being run by
1849
01:25:54,563 --> 01:25:56,289
that kind of a god.
1850
01:25:57,428 --> 01:25:58,739
I go with Mark Twain.
1851
01:26:00,189 --> 01:26:01,777
One of the great quotes
of my life is Mark Twain,
1852
01:26:01,811 --> 01:26:03,951
when I discovered, it's
from Letters from the Earth.
1853
01:26:03,986 --> 01:26:06,368
And I first read it I
said, oh, thank heavens,
1854
01:26:06,402 --> 01:26:08,577
there was somebody who
thought the way I think.
1855
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,736
Osama bin Laden and his
crew of degenerate thugs
1856
01:26:29,770 --> 01:26:33,291
and Jerry Falwell
and his coterie of
sicko, pervo, freakos,
1857
01:26:33,326 --> 01:26:36,121
with Pat playing the
gabby hey sidekick,
1858
01:26:36,156 --> 01:26:38,538
all worship the same god.
1859
01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:40,298
Not the gentle succoring Jesus
1860
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:43,474
and not the kindly warm-hearted
Allah but some third entity,
1861
01:26:43,508 --> 01:26:46,546
some horrid and astigmatic
sulfur-breathing deity
1862
01:26:46,580 --> 01:26:48,513
who batons on
hatred and loathing
1863
01:26:48,548 --> 01:26:50,343
and the spreading of
elitist snake oil,
1864
01:26:50,377 --> 01:26:53,173
promising 73 virgins
at the pearly gates,
1865
01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:56,072
if only you will waste your
lives in pointless denigration
1866
01:26:56,107 --> 01:26:59,144
of everyone Pat and
Osama and Jerry point to
1867
01:26:59,179 --> 01:27:01,906
as enemies of the
all-powerful God.
1868
01:27:01,940 --> 01:27:03,563
The universe doesn't
know we're here.
1869
01:27:03,597 --> 01:27:05,047
It just doesn't know.
1870
01:27:05,081 --> 01:27:07,601
Einstein says God does not
shoot craps with the universe,
1871
01:27:07,636 --> 01:27:09,120
or does not play dice
with the universe.
1872
01:27:09,154 --> 01:27:10,673
Yeah, it does.
1873
01:27:10,708 --> 01:27:11,743
Yeah, it does.
1874
01:27:11,778 --> 01:27:12,986
It's random.
1875
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:13,952
The universe will
one day give you
1876
01:27:13,987 --> 01:27:15,782
the lottery for $16 million.
1877
01:27:15,816 --> 01:27:17,404
The next day, colon cancer.
1878
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,544
Universe doesn't know,
universe doesn't care.
1879
01:27:19,579 --> 01:27:20,959
Universe is just
boogieing on along,
1880
01:27:20,994 --> 01:27:22,478
having its own self a good time.
1881
01:27:22,513 --> 01:27:24,100
There is no rhyme,
there's no reason.
1882
01:27:24,135 --> 01:27:27,690
There are laws, restrictions,
rules, Darwinism,
1883
01:27:27,725 --> 01:27:30,279
astrophysics, all of these
things are part of the way
1884
01:27:30,314 --> 01:27:32,764
the machinery runs,
and it's a machine.
1885
01:27:32,799 --> 01:27:33,938
"Well, who created the machine?"
1886
01:27:33,972 --> 01:27:35,698
I don't give a fuck who
created the machine.
1887
01:27:35,733 --> 01:27:38,425
I'll never know, you'll never
know, no one will ever know.
1888
01:27:38,460 --> 01:27:40,634
If Saint Thomas Aquinas
couldn't figure it out,
1889
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:42,187
I sure as hell am
not gonna be able to,
1890
01:27:42,222 --> 01:27:44,189
and neither are any
of these pot-licking,
1891
01:27:44,224 --> 01:27:46,261
little stump ministers
who always have the answer
1892
01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:47,676
'cause they get
messages from God.
1893
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:50,437
I don't mind people
getting messages from God,
1894
01:27:50,472 --> 01:27:51,680
sending messages to God.
1895
01:27:51,714 --> 01:27:53,716
What I mind is when
God answers them.
1896
01:27:53,751 --> 01:27:56,029
These kind of people we usually
put away in a funny house,
1897
01:27:56,063 --> 01:27:58,031
but these guys say, "No, no."
1898
01:27:58,065 --> 01:27:59,412
"I have a personal
relationship with God,"
1899
01:27:59,446 --> 01:28:00,689
I love that phrase.
1900
01:28:00,723 --> 01:28:02,173
"Do you have a personal
relationship with God?"
1901
01:28:02,207 --> 01:28:04,175
Yeah, God comes over on
Sunday morning, we have bagel,
1902
01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:06,211
lox, cream cheese, we go
bowling on Friday nights.
1903
01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:07,696
God and I, we're very close.
1904
01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:09,974
I think it is presumptuous.
1905
01:28:10,008 --> 01:28:11,734
I think it's presumptuous,
I think it is silly,
1906
01:28:11,769 --> 01:28:12,942
because it makes you believe
1907
01:28:12,977 --> 01:28:14,565
that you are less
than what you can be.
1908
01:28:14,599 --> 01:28:18,465
As long as you can blame
everything on some unseen deity,
1909
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:20,950
you don't ever have
to responsible for
your own behavior,
1910
01:28:20,985 --> 01:28:23,090
and I think that
is the ultimate,
1911
01:28:23,125 --> 01:28:25,334
the ultimate mark of humanity.
1912
01:28:25,369 --> 01:28:26,577
We were given,
1913
01:28:28,510 --> 01:28:30,753
in our toolbox,
1914
01:28:30,788 --> 01:28:34,170
tools to build, ethics, courage,
1915
01:28:34,205 --> 01:28:38,209
kindness, friendship,
ratiocination, the
ability to think,
1916
01:28:38,243 --> 01:28:41,868
to work problems out
logically, dreams, imagination,
1917
01:28:41,902 --> 01:28:44,008
things that make us
wanna go to the stars,
1918
01:28:45,458 --> 01:28:47,080
we wanna make our selves better,
1919
01:28:48,426 --> 01:28:50,290
and a quiver of arrows
which are mean-spiritedness
1920
01:28:50,325 --> 01:28:52,844
and greed and irresponsibility
1921
01:28:54,018 --> 01:28:55,916
and the refusal to
take responsibility
1922
01:28:55,951 --> 01:28:59,092
for anything you
do, and coarseness.
1923
01:28:59,126 --> 01:29:02,613
And these things
they're like rocks.
1924
01:29:02,647 --> 01:29:04,269
Instead of using
the tools to build,
1925
01:29:04,304 --> 01:29:06,202
we pick up these rocks
of greed and stupidity,
1926
01:29:06,237 --> 01:29:07,480
and throw them at each other.
1927
01:29:07,514 --> 01:29:09,896
And I suppose, in some ways,
1928
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:11,380
that's a very
Christian attitude.
1929
01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:12,657
I suppose, in some ways,
1930
01:29:12,692 --> 01:29:14,314
it's a very
Judeo-Christian attitude.
1931
01:29:14,349 --> 01:29:19,354
But I have very little sympathy
for those who do bad things.
1932
01:29:20,769 --> 01:29:21,390
I don't care if your mommy
locked you in the basement.
1933
01:29:21,425 --> 01:29:22,771
Stop doing it.
1934
01:29:22,805 --> 01:29:24,428
We know people by their acts.
1935
01:29:24,462 --> 01:29:26,015
We know people by their deeds.
1936
01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:28,397
And no matter how well
coiffed their hair is,
1937
01:29:28,432 --> 01:29:29,812
if they're spouting evil
1938
01:29:29,847 --> 01:29:31,952
and if they're turning
brother against sister,
1939
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:34,334
and man against man,
and woman against man,
1940
01:29:34,369 --> 01:29:36,474
I think that they
deserve to be...
1941
01:29:38,476 --> 01:29:39,960
Well, I'm a mild
person actually.
1942
01:29:39,995 --> 01:29:42,031
I think we should
probably just hang them up
1943
01:29:42,066 --> 01:29:43,481
on the top half of a Dutch door
1944
01:29:43,516 --> 01:29:45,241
and beat them across the belly
with an aluminum ball bat
1945
01:29:45,276 --> 01:29:46,553
till their piss runs red.
1946
01:29:48,003 --> 01:29:50,764
- Every single, what's the
word that I am looking for?
1947
01:29:50,799 --> 01:29:53,802
Every single blank has
to be a confrontation.
1948
01:29:54,699 --> 01:29:55,528
- Because that's what life is.
1949
01:29:55,562 --> 01:29:57,253
It is a confrontation.
1950
01:29:57,288 --> 01:29:58,669
That is what life
is composed of,
1951
01:29:58,703 --> 01:30:00,740
an endless series
of confrontations
1952
01:30:00,774 --> 01:30:03,156
with the society
in which one lives,
1953
01:30:03,190 --> 01:30:05,917
with one's fellow man and
woman, and with one's self.
1954
01:30:05,952 --> 01:30:07,816
That is what life is all about.
1955
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:10,197
That's why you can never get
rid of violence on television
1956
01:30:10,232 --> 01:30:14,685
because life is, to a greater
or lesser degree, violent.
1957
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:17,826
And the intensity of
the confrontation,
1958
01:30:17,860 --> 01:30:19,793
the revelations of
the human condition
1959
01:30:19,828 --> 01:30:21,623
that come out of
those confrontations
1960
01:30:21,657 --> 01:30:26,213
is what makes enlightening
drama, makes art, for us.
1961
01:30:26,248 --> 01:30:28,768
We must learn from what we read.
1962
01:30:28,802 --> 01:30:31,149
We can't keep getting
our brains massaged.
1963
01:30:31,184 --> 01:30:33,255
We have to have
the confrontation
1964
01:30:33,289 --> 01:30:35,671
so that when they come
to us in real life,
1965
01:30:35,706 --> 01:30:39,364
we have some well of
information to go to.
1966
01:30:41,366 --> 01:30:43,058
Did you wanna do
some commercials?
1967
01:30:46,786 --> 01:30:48,443
Going past you, motherfucker.
1968
01:30:51,307 --> 01:30:52,481
Somebody asked me
the other day, said,
1969
01:30:52,516 --> 01:30:53,793
"Where do you see
yourself in 20 years?"
1970
01:30:53,827 --> 01:30:55,346
I said, dead.
1971
01:30:55,380 --> 01:30:59,488
And they said, "Oh, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, you're kidding."
1972
01:30:59,523 --> 01:31:03,250
And I said, when you're 72,
you don't kid about death.
1973
01:31:03,285 --> 01:31:05,114
Death, death is right there.
1974
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:08,842
It's sort of hovering
near your shoulder
1975
01:31:08,877 --> 01:31:12,708
like a salivating fanboy
at a Star Trek convention.
1976
01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:15,746
It's just out of eyeshot
but you know it's there.
1977
01:31:17,402 --> 01:31:20,544
- It's a given, within
Harlan's worldview,
1978
01:31:20,578 --> 01:31:22,856
that life is not easy.
1979
01:31:23,650 --> 01:31:25,997
It's also a given that
1980
01:31:26,032 --> 01:31:29,553
that's part of the reason
why life is worth living.
1981
01:31:30,415 --> 01:31:31,727
- I got this good life.
1982
01:31:31,762 --> 01:31:33,798
I got great friends.
1983
01:31:33,833 --> 01:31:35,697
Great friends who
are important people.
1984
01:31:35,731 --> 01:31:37,319
That's always nice.
1985
01:31:37,353 --> 01:31:38,562
It's always nice, yeah.
1986
01:31:38,596 --> 01:31:40,702
It's always nice to
know important people.
1987
01:31:40,736 --> 01:31:43,463
I'm gonna sell the big easy
chair in the living room,
1988
01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:45,430
and I'm going to say,
this is the chair,
1989
01:31:45,465 --> 01:31:46,984
and some of you who've
sat in this chair
1990
01:31:47,018 --> 01:31:48,951
have been Robert Heinlein,
1991
01:31:48,986 --> 01:31:51,885
Maurice Chevalier,
the Rolling Stones,
1992
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,300
and all the people
who've been in this house
1993
01:31:53,335 --> 01:31:54,370
who have sat in that chair.
1994
01:31:54,405 --> 01:31:56,303
And I'm gonna auction it off,
1995
01:31:56,338 --> 01:31:57,960
and then I'm gonna
buy a new chair.
1996
01:32:00,204 --> 01:32:02,896
- You have to accept
1997
01:32:02,931 --> 01:32:06,382
that you have
somebody who is partly
1998
01:32:07,729 --> 01:32:10,732
one of the greatest writers
of the 20th century,
1999
01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:16,082
and partly an alternately impish
2000
01:32:16,116 --> 01:32:19,499
and furious 11-year-old boy
2001
01:32:21,225 --> 01:32:22,916
or possibly nine-year-old boy
2002
01:32:22,951 --> 01:32:24,573
or possibly a five-year-old boy.
2003
01:32:28,301 --> 01:32:30,441
And it's all part
of the same thing.
2004
01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:36,792
And, at the same
time, a cranky old Jew
2005
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,416
who does not just enjoy
his cranky old Jew-dom,
2006
01:32:40,451 --> 01:32:41,625
he revels in it.
2007
01:32:41,659 --> 01:32:44,835
He is building this
cranky old Jew-dom
2008
01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:47,734
like some people
live in castles.
2009
01:32:47,769 --> 01:32:50,288
He lives in cranky
old Jew world.
2010
01:32:54,189 --> 01:32:58,331
And that's true, too,
but it's also shtick.
2011
01:32:59,781 --> 01:33:01,368
- I live in paradise.
2012
01:33:01,403 --> 01:33:02,991
I got a sensational wife.
2013
01:33:03,025 --> 01:33:04,440
I got a great house.
2014
01:33:04,475 --> 01:33:07,064
I do the work I like to do.
2015
01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:08,686
I'm not entitled to beef.
2016
01:33:08,721 --> 01:33:10,515
I'm not entitled to complain.
2017
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:13,829
I do, because like all old Jews,
2018
01:33:13,864 --> 01:33:15,728
we only know three
things in this life:
2019
01:33:15,762 --> 01:33:18,040
We know guilt, we
know Chinese food,
2020
01:33:18,075 --> 01:33:20,318
and we know the location
of every pain in our body
2021
01:33:20,353 --> 01:33:22,666
and we will tell you
about it endlessly.
2022
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:26,980
Is this the last thing
I'm gonna have to record?
2023
01:33:27,878 --> 01:33:29,189
I'm out after this.
2024
01:33:29,224 --> 01:33:34,229
Okay, well, I'm just a
hard pill to swallow.
2025
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:37,957
And I'm great for dinner,
great stories, very funny,
2026
01:33:37,991 --> 01:33:40,684
but if you had to
live with me 24/7,
2027
01:33:40,718 --> 01:33:43,100
you'd put a gun either in
your mouth or my mouth.
2028
01:33:43,134 --> 01:33:46,621
And I think that's the
way it is with anybody
2029
01:33:46,655 --> 01:33:50,935
who lives their life exactly
as they wish to see it.
2030
01:33:50,970 --> 01:33:53,041
I think it was Hunter
Thompson who wrote,
2031
01:33:53,973 --> 01:33:57,217
"He knew the dead end loneliness
2032
01:33:57,252 --> 01:33:59,703
"of a person who
makes his own life."
2033
01:33:59,737 --> 01:34:00,669
I've always done that.
2034
01:34:00,704 --> 01:34:02,257
I've always been my own person,
2035
01:34:02,291 --> 01:34:04,777
and I'm responsible for
what I turn out to be.
2036
01:34:04,811 --> 01:34:07,055
So, if anybody watches
this movie and they say,
2037
01:34:07,089 --> 01:34:09,126
"God, what a mook."
2038
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,508
Yeah, I can't argue on it, so.
2039
01:34:12,543 --> 01:34:13,717
But it's not true,
2040
01:34:13,751 --> 01:34:15,408
I never threw anybody
down an elevator shaft.
2041
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,836
Whenever I lecture at a
college, and I do a lot of that,
2042
01:34:29,871 --> 01:34:33,150
invariably, there will be one
pinhead out in the audience
2043
01:34:33,184 --> 01:34:35,704
who feels that my credentials
are not sufficient
2044
01:34:35,739 --> 01:34:37,257
for me to be ranting and raving
2045
01:34:37,292 --> 01:34:40,398
about whatever it is I am
raving and/or ranting about.
2046
01:34:40,433 --> 01:34:41,848
And he doesn't really know
2047
01:34:41,883 --> 01:34:43,712
or she doesn't really know
what my background is.
2048
01:34:43,747 --> 01:34:46,370
And they'll say to me, "Why
aren't you out protesting?"
2049
01:34:46,404 --> 01:34:49,442
and no, the fact that I'm 72
years old has no bearing on it.
2050
01:34:49,476 --> 01:34:51,409
They'll say, "Why aren't
you out doing blah, blah,"
2051
01:34:51,444 --> 01:34:54,550
or "Blah, blah," or, "Sucking
up them bullets," and all.
2052
01:34:54,585 --> 01:34:57,553
And then my answer for
years was, I've done it,
2053
01:34:57,588 --> 01:34:59,832
and then you realize you
must not defend yourself.
2054
01:34:59,866 --> 01:35:01,523
And here's what I offer to you
2055
01:35:01,557 --> 01:35:03,663
as my way of getting around it.
2056
01:35:03,698 --> 01:35:07,011
First, you slump over like
this, like a little old man.
2057
01:35:07,046 --> 01:35:11,119
And then you say, here is
the wisdom of my people
2058
01:35:11,153 --> 01:35:13,259
to answer your question.
2059
01:35:13,293 --> 01:35:16,469
An old man walks
out of the shtetl
2060
01:35:16,503 --> 01:35:19,023
on a path along
beside the river,
2061
01:35:19,058 --> 01:35:20,818
and as he comes
around the curve,
2062
01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:24,373
he sees lying in the
middle of the road, an ant,
2063
01:35:24,408 --> 01:35:27,169
a little ant, and he's
lying on his back like this
2064
01:35:27,204 --> 01:35:29,137
with the arms and the
legs in the air going,
2065
01:35:29,171 --> 01:35:31,242
"Hachlama, hachlama, hachlama."
2066
01:35:31,277 --> 01:35:34,659
And he looks down at this
creature and says to the ant,
2067
01:35:34,694 --> 01:35:36,144
"What are you doing?"
2068
01:35:36,178 --> 01:35:39,285
And the ant says, "I have it
on the very best of authority,
2069
01:35:39,319 --> 01:35:41,425
"the sky is gonna fall."
2070
01:35:41,459 --> 01:35:44,531
And the old man looks
at the ant and he says,
2071
01:35:44,566 --> 01:35:46,154
"And this is what you
think you're gonna do
2072
01:35:46,188 --> 01:35:47,949
"to avert this catastrophe?
2073
01:35:47,983 --> 01:35:50,054
"You're gonna lie there
and go ?"
2074
01:35:50,089 --> 01:35:51,918
And the ant looks up and says,
2075
01:35:51,953 --> 01:35:54,300
as I say to you, young
person in the audience
2076
01:35:54,334 --> 01:35:57,786
who has questioned
me, the ant says,
2077
01:35:57,821 --> 01:35:59,443
"I do what I can do."
2078
01:36:06,899 --> 01:36:09,418
Why does everyone
look so confused?
2079
01:36:11,351 --> 01:36:12,767
- Cut.
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