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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] early 80s in Flint Michigan we looked like we were on our way to writing festival you know we had like denim vests with patches all over them but at the same time we were all pretty nerdy like we weren't really into like heavy-duty drugs or anything like that we smoked pot drank and stuff but we weren't like we were to create we did acid once in a while so it was kind of like we were just as nerdy as kids that were into Star Wars but we were into and that came over one day and he was like cool then I'm like yeah buy a guitar dude we'll start a band and he bought a guitar like within like a month he was one of those people that just took to it like a moth to a flame [Music] we found a copy of his fanzine called sledgehammer press we recorded our stuff and sent it out and that was the first time we ever recorded anything where we it was we didn't have a studio but we did like do several takes and edited together three really good basement recordings that was the first lineup of the band pretty much that was where we started calling it genocide [Music] I got this book for for Christmas when I was a kid there was a little bit in here about Roman Polanski's repulsion and this photo I found it to be really haunting we started getting letters from other bands that were called genocide and you know obviously the name genocide is a horrible name I was like cool this is a good opportunity we have to change in it [Music] when I actually heard repulsion for the first time it blew my mind because I was like oh my god it's okay for me to play like this like I thought it was the weirdest thing like nobody would like it or whatever like not only is this okay it's like everybody's influence we're all sure they know first Costigan we went to a hardcore show and saw what it was all about and like found the promoter they were really cool and they just took a chance on this until we started playing really fast and then I think people just didn't know what to make if it didn't matter whether they were punk or metal when we like locked on to the repulsion formula there were very few people that actually liked our music [Music] so what happened was Matt and I went to Florida in early 85 [Music] truck was amazing but it just wasn't working out what do we do now we we need to get a band going there was an article in the paper about a group of friends who had been busted for grave robbing and one of them was a guy named Dave Hollingshead who was also a drummer we we got him to start playing like speed metal sort of beats like Slayer but he had never done it before so when you're playing like double-time on the hi-hats he couldn't really do that at least not fast enough to really you know blow somebody's head off so we just kind of said all right just cheat we used to call it the cheap beat hit the hi-hat every other time as fast as possible your basic default blasts feet one foot not two feet one kick drum snare and it's all in sync it's not all sloppy and shit like good - good - good it's just like constant that's the single most important fundamental I think it's the rudiment that changed everything the blast beat [Music] other so many there's the traditional blast alternating you know there's no cheating as I referred to it when I was a kid [Music] over time he got so good at the cheap beat that it went from you know being like the speed of like a slaughter to this machine gun son what are you here on the repulsion elbow we were planning on releasing it as an album but we were very disappointed in the way the recording turned out the repulsion to recordings from 86 they were only released on CD 89 90 by necrosis records because nobody wanted to release a demo of repulsion because it was too noisy the grizzle in the base that's grind the grinding bass sound you know came from like scott carlson when they went to go mix it they realized that they wiped his actual bass tracks so they just ended up using the scratch track you know and and it all great things comes complete accidents out some pretty uncommon karting that it was an unfinished album that's what what it was and I just started circulating in and selling it on tape because well I think we're gonna have to try this one more time Flint Michigan is is definitely part of our sound my dad works in the auto factory Matt's dad worked in auto factory Aaron's dad drove a truck that delivered automobiles made in the automobile factory two dealerships all over the Midwest that's your future like you're gonna be working in an auto factory [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] unbelievably working-class iGrill got a level working class it literally was just terrible acts in the horizon and smokestacks and factories and the smell of chemicals and was hard to contextualise because thought you lived it you lived in that you went to school in that you I knew faced hostility you know on a daily basis initially I was I was brought up in a house that was literally a cut there a commune which was basically full of heroin addicts which my father was one there's a seven-year-old that's exposed then to let the Sex Pistols the damned clash Stranglers and a pretty much discovered industrial music purely accidentally this is where I met Nick Baumann [Applause] and this way basically led me towards joining napalm death famously I booked napalm death on a show their secondary showed it was 1983 we're going way back and a Boat Club in Nottingham next to the river here there were 14 years old just blowing mines really the plates white 60 people if that but it was you knew something was pretty special well I did anyway having something that was more reminiscent of Killing Joke or very early in lyrics in early swans we want to follow this into a melting pot and speeded up you know we couldn't actually do it with the original drummer who ironically was one of the founding members of napalm death a guy called rat or miles right alleges he was known in there who unfortunately for four miles rat me and Nick we're starting to talk about that he couldn't play fast enough and this is when we happened upon Nick Harris you know Nick Harris was fucking wild he was a force of nature it was not not human he carries something come on to me a napalm death gig and I was really enamored with his energy it's funny that we arrived there eventually becoming gravitates blastbeats you know because for a minute there we could have been actually playing very tribal sand in post-punk very sorts of revelations and we first had siege [Music] it blows my mind that ends like napalm death and drop dead who you know got their name from drop dead the bands that good you know call us an influence it's a it's very much an honor for that [Music] a lot of bands achieve their speed through what drummers will call a cheap beat they'll simplify the beat to make the music faster but Rob never did that Rob played the full British discharge beat only at a much higher tempo he was just a really raging drummer discharge would have been the biggest influence on see agent on a lot of us at that period of time just as discharge hated Thatcher's England siege hated Reagan's America I mean a lot of the story of the grindcore thing really does come out of the hardcore punk scene in the UK [Music] the grind scene I find it more political than the metal scene generally I think that comes from the punk roots probably and like all the DIY aspect bands are closer to you know the punk spirit and the punk vision punk has always been political music I'm not saying there isn't political people in metal but it was always more about music with metal whereas punk was always more about the politics well a hardcore punk a lot of people had a lot of things to say you know I want to be different and I want to repel and all these other people are lame and the metal guys they're like I want to master my instrument and play it better than anyone [Music] the outside was recorded I think for potential release as a split album that was the thing back then Justin basically gave me the tapes and said well sold them to me and I'm like right now I need the b-side Justin became a little bit disillusioned but he was friends with a band called head of David he left and they were their guitarist and Nick Bolen actually asked me to play guitar this is between sorry side and b-side on scrum I said yes I'll do it and I went back with them but I kind of chickened out you know either I just lost my nerve and so the band went through a weird period humans were they weren't really doing much so Mick Paris was kind of left on his own and he recruited leader Ian bill steer as Mick got a new lineup together the idea was let's do another recording and have an A & B side so that kind of the way it turned out almost two different bands make Harris being the only constant bit crazier I mean they never rehearsed they never planned anything it's hard to explain how unprofessional II was looking back on it it was just a very fun outlet initially but I didn't think I was gonna go anywhere I mean even being in a band was a bit of a fantasy really John Peel in the UK is a very famous name because that's a DJ whose career spans decades so you going back to you know the Beatles era I guess as the years went by he managed to attach himself more and more to the extreme fringes of music I was exposed to so much music thanks to John / Alena I was a 10 year old kid with a tiny little radio that wireless radio battery-operated radio listening in bed when I should have been going to school so you can imagine the first time I heard John Peel play anything off scum I'd left the band by the time he first plates gone that very night he played Aetna David straight after you played the track up Scott side Armour and it was like oh my god you know I mean this is this is who the who I grew up listening to is now just played not only a John Peel session of a band I've just joined and now Scott and napalm death just fucking blow up ephra the momentum from napalm was so rapid because of what you did for the bands was a very brave thing I mean you know even though days when something's confrontational people clap people finally I want to digest you know but back then I think it was even harder it was just hard to take in you know you're just a kid and your musics being played on national radio [Music] well Mickey came up with the term it didn't come from the press as many people think or even the underground press it was Mickey a lot of alternative indie magazines were then focusing on grunkle to them it was completely new thing even though it to mean a bomb dev was a really fast hardcore metal band when the Tim growing call came in that was a whole different spectrum than really all hardcore kids were like man you heard this fucking scum record it's completely ridiculous place I'd to first place I - don't play side one side one kind of sucks place I - and I'm like really what's it like you say oh man it sounds like fucking Popeye screaming - people the same was still changing I think at that point it definitely changed on the second half I'm not saying I was I wouldn't say I was the conscious part of it was just going that way really and so the first thing I actually recorded with him was actually a John Peel radio session I didn't play the show with him so he did a couple of new songs on that it wasn't until you the second album really from enslavement where we used the songs that I'd written I was at a store in Houston a good at Houston a lot for shows and we goodies they had really good record stores and I found napalm death from enslavement to obliteration and marker it was written fastest band in the world this is the fastest album ever made and I was like oh man I gotta have that so I went out and bought it I put it on the first songs perfectly slow I'm like this isn't fast man I just I'm not into this at all then right after just kicks and it takes off for the entire fucking record that second song kicked in it was like plugging in a Christmas tree [Music] from enslavement scum those records are just groundbreaking we wouldn't be sitting here talking about this if those records didn't exist one PLF from houston texas let's fuck the grind [Music] [Music] [Applause] I'll be sure to weep do you good depends yeah sometimes maybe like Wow - sometimes like five or six a week [Music] like when I first heard like insect warfare when I was like maybe 50 years old I just said wow you know that's the fucking heavy shit I ever heard in my life [Music] it's a very honest Jean or two and just pretty much play as fast as you can scream scream as loud as you can just fucking go balls out it's pretty fucking extreme I like knowledge the fact that the average population doesn't gently think his music you know it just keeps getting fucked up [Music] we call it music but for maybe like most like random like normal people they think this is noise especially where I'm from for sure like compared to like Asian pop like like k-pop k-pop whatever that's like this is like noise but for us this is true music but I think the thing that uh all things grind that lightly really like to held it all in for me was Terrorizer like Terrorizer the like one and only American grind band like Jesus Christ [Music] my original band was Terrorizer back in 8089 back then it's kids we didn't have much there are a couple petals which he's you know a couple petals and whatever we had and just try to get the best sound out of them this one guy used to come see us practice all the time and he told us he had a drummer well the guy takes off half an hour later he walks in with Pete well back then there was not many drummers that were doing the blast it was just speed you know thrash black metal I just wanted to take it to the next level I know I wanted to play like double the skank beep he looks like he's putting out a cigarette and there's a swivel thing and so he gets like a like a double bounce goin when me and Jesse heard that right there and then we told them well do you want to join the band [Music] I remember Jessie was uh yes he was riding with David Vincent dear Vincent was asking Jessie that where could they find on to her leg Pete and Jesse gave him up Jessica well you could have our drummer that's when Pete told me that they rented them sent him a ticket about a Florida and I mean I got piss because he took off on us then just you already made his move I guess he was gonna go play with napalm I already already right into Jesse and a couple days before and going over to keep ahead of the morning because he'd never the time difference between England and LA I think originally thought it was just for one two or any and it was painful well many albums you know there was not a lot of interesting Terrorizer and plus this other bands worlds were were big bands you know morbid NGOs they had like a beginning of a history you know what I mean so it was something cool nice for me to join bands like that and then with napalm Dave another big band so he was what was supposed to be a man I don't really know what happened to terrorize after that you know many years passed it was just a one album by Terrorizer there was basically make napalm death and mobile angel members because we were under contract for two albums and you know I was a Pete scheduled real busy with more became John same thing with Jesse I mean we are close a couple of times but it never happened and you know I wish they would have and eat much at mr. na I don't talk to no it's as bad things between me and him right now supposedly I gave up on Terrorizer and you know I didn't give up and a chance which are if we heed to talk to more Bakr and Jesse took up was uh was nape on then from there on Nana and just don't really talk to him at all I did a radio show at the University of Ottawa a metal radio show with a friend of mine and I was discovering a lot of bands that way and the way I got into grindcore was one day he put on brutal truths walking corpse from extreme conditions it's such a classic song the way it starts with like this tear and I think [Music] I'm gonna play this aggressive stuff too I want to do this who am I gonna get to play with me and I thought of Scott and Brent Brent had a permanent nickname gern gern blanston one of Steve Martin's characters on Saturday Night Live we formed as a three-piece so I might fuck this regarding a singer [Music] pete'll is just obscene stirrer he'd already gone to the grind crushed root or and england's and everything and wrote for cmj college music journal me and dan we're doing something else and then he got really tired of fucking doing vocals i recorded something with a drum machine and had him sit over it some of those riffs actually turned into denial of existence [Music] back in the early days of brutal truth we didn't have ear we just borrowed everything if we were going to play Rhode Island or something like that instead of like getting a van or something like that we would just all fucking hop a train [Music] I was hanging out with people like my friend Jim Welch who at the time was running Eric USA and all these fans were already on Eric and we were friends with Jim it seemed logical that that would be a natural label to go to they just captured the attention of Dave that Danny look I resented grindcore bands and they were Serifos to be fast as hell it's the right for maximum rock'n'roll fanzine in the states I was like that UK correspondent if you like I dabbled with promoting I didn't know at the time I'm a bit of an organizing kind of guy now you know I taped traded with dig back in the day and also had a publicity job at the record label I went from being a music fan to a facilitator or whatever it's been called that's what Eric did we were facilitators initiators that's what I do I'm like I'm ringing bags up get in the studio do this quite forceful sometimes to do it in the earache history when the American bands were getting signed they're a bit of a bit more professionalism came in we started rehearsing a lot writing more music and that's when the whole speed factor came into being it worked out good that we answered up getting somebody that had never played grindcore before because we were able to kind of bold him a little bit rich was straight-up punk rock he came from that Philly punk scene so you know grind was absolutely new to him I mean it was the kind of thing where like I joined the band and then two or three weeks later we like went somewhere to like write an album and then right from that we left for a tour and then I played 250 or more shows a year for the next through five or six years I wanted to be faster I just wanted I didn't have an attention span I wanted fast the intensity yeah that's a better word intensity not speed you know it's supposed to be like really intense it actually is pretty much addictive I think you know that ventolin you get more alive I'm a huge adrenaline junkie and it's just great to be part of this huge thunderous noise music is therapy for a lot of people I mean you if you don't play you start your day driving into work at 5:30 in the morning you hate your boss you know somebody ran over your cat or your dog and you're just pissed off and you just unleash it's sort of like my art you know you know I don't really play music i dumbed I'm not really a trained drummer I just sort of enjoy grinding I like to play grind and I like to do grind vocals and yell and play super fast and it's very much of a emotional and physical sort of uh outlet for me so many bouncers dude grindcore they have they lack the passion they lack the urgency I mean I still don't know the exact reason why those guys quit napalm death they couldn't really see beyond playing - like 60 people in their minds and in everyone's mind really it was a small scene how could it how could it ever get bigger but things happened so quickly six months in the band back then was like a lifetime I viewed napalm as this thing's just supposed to be very extreme like a short sharp shock and I didn't really see it as having much longevity and which sounds ridiculous now obviously but that's kind of how I looked at it Lee and Bill had left after a Japanese sewer for various reasons I was pretty devastated really but we knew Barney because Barney wasn't singing in their benediction shine and Mickey knew what I could do we thought Barney would be a good person to come in because had a lot of energy [Music] I was kind of that token roadie who did nothing except drink and maybe lift a cabinet I feel your odds down the road [Applause] [Music] people you know to walk into a room nice to hate everybody hates everything napalm is a paradox as are many other bands of this ilk we have very very aggressive extreme violent sounding which is the important part music [Music] in the ground when you run the wall but on the other side of things the lyrics are peaceful tolerance humane people sights it's a political band and I wouldn't necessarily discount that but at the same time I also understand that politics can also mean nothing it can be very tokenistic very divisive the starting point is to bring people together not force on the path so my thing is like the underline thing for me is a humane humanitarian standpoint yes [Applause] [Music] this kind of music was always really integrated with like giving a shit about things and I think that's kind of assess something about the general you know attitude it was the extremity which was the most important but it was also the you know the opportunity to actually say something in your you know and you're with your band and your lyrics [Music] what did we do that was so bad it is offensive it's stupid it's it's it's it's blue humor it's it's dumb it's childish it's sophomoric but we know it [Applause] [Music] she said I saw that shirt that's your band you're in a band called anal cunt and she was crying and I'm just like I'm trying to justify it I'm like I got nothing i got nothing i broke my mother's heart this sucks I didn't mean to do that fuck oh well shit there I am with hair like an asshole this is my favorite they fucking hate that cover it's so stupid this is the Unplugged album 80 its own EP original Mike pretty Mike pretty much paid for this Mike Mike was doing one of us who had a job that made money he was a he was a press operator and like and like some like print shop and I think Seth pretty much convinced him like all right so you can be like 200 dollars a week and we'll get this record I was okay sure Seth would make up bands fucking constantly he would make up ants death metal bands with like his cousin are as friends or something and they make a demo tape and they'd say is real bad yeah I lose pinnacled shoots come and says like oh yeah well I have this band called anal cunt yeah we're gonna play a show man we don't even have music man we just fucking let go crazy you just say oh yeah oh yeah you should come see us and then he had to make the band Oh [Music] our first show ever was a rehearsal and we played in front of his mother his two brothers Easter Sunday no joke and I remember his grandmother just like this just you guys are gonna get yourself killed if you do that [Music] there are times when that's good when the crowd wants it but there are times when it's like you know I mean there's one time we played you play Texas and he was doing the microphone thing and he hit John square in the head cut his head open knocked him down started bleeding and he's bleeding he's cleaning his bleeding I grabbed the mic from Seth and I'm like I need I need a towel I need a towel I need something and he cut his head open Seth grabbed it's a mic for music yeah and I need two sprites with no ice somebody knocked mine over you know I mean that's what you had to deal with [Music] I never listened to them myself that's not kind of music they never attracted me um you know I don't think everybody it's crying with ain't no conduct and there was enough other big grind bands that anybody knows a bit well it's just a subs all right now I can respect like the noise aspect I can get that and then I guess they also get like a little bit of a pass because there's like they started it I guess I don't think they were really ever that serious of a band but you know they became more of a real band after a few years I do not like anal cunt I think Seth Putnam his piece of shit everyone's like all you have no sense of humor all right why don't fucking said fuck him as a piece of shit the art that he created it reflected that he was in this insensitive piece of fucking garbage that thought that everything everyone else's pain was like one big fucking joke he was probably like you'd expect he was a handful at times he's a he's a really smart guy though he wasn't a complete maniac but he definitely knew how to play his part [Music] I had already gotten tired of the gigs and traveling because I was the only one that could rent a vehicle and all that was when they had a car only one had a credit card so I could see that it was it was leaning a lot on on me and my resources for doing it so Tim told me he wanted to get out and I told him I wanted to get out too [Music] it got really bad it got it got really stressful sometimes it would be great you know sometimes the crowd would be crazy and the crowd would be with it and then would be great or and sometimes it would be really hard [Applause] yeah let's get some of these tats this is the grind pressure tattoo you know the compilation help you for yeah Jack mastering besides that distance I got Barclays really old-school thing this is a typical kids show here in Quebec a classic show from the 70s and in the 80s every every band from the crew you know my first band was like discharged it's more like a noise project that's still going on today was I started that like in 1990 with chainsaw we're still doing this on and off since like the past 25 years but my first actual real grind ban was things I met Fred in school and we started Mesrine like in 1997 for a while we were pretty much the only two bands around we know everybody from the same witches from Quebec City to Montreal even a tower in Toronto it's a small scene small world when it's drank or [Music] five days you know starting Wednesday finish like Sunday night 17 hours of music this year we had the best festival in history unit such a great show like sob to rise early you know the people just think since first band till last ban [Music] [Music] what what's the scene like beer brand new mix of like metal and punks that just coming together doing a show man I could get us geo dia the same day we said Jigga up psycho yesterday there were so many great bands and you don't expect that kind of bands to play you're you're part of the world do you like this scene we like to give the chance you know to play really big stage with massive sound even for that bands no one knows because I think you always come to the option action for big names but then you are surprised with the small one [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] it's just getting friends together drinking beers and having some grindcore moments [Music] there's no riffs it's just like you do whatever the fuck you there's no real patterns [Music] [Applause] [Music] you gotta you gotta understand why they're legendary and why you're not [Applause] [Music] [Applause] you're playing no score in 2015 you won't be as a jewelry as discharging with everything you know in the Hades the name [Applause] [Music] sort of like a joke - you know it's you do it for fun you know you can't take that stuff serious you know yeah I think if you take noise core seriously you're a bit fucked you know what is happening what is what is going on here this is just the greatest stuff in the world nobody knows how to do what they're doing and everything's great you know what how is this not how is this like it it's reinventing music and not inventing anything it makes sense of business girls and bands - what I noticed there's this girl listening to that kind of music to me I'm someone in a band enough music ice cream that's it and I never over analyzed it I never felt and I always felt comfortable you know we're all metalheads so we we kind of already have that attitude of like fucky you can't tell me how to live my life right it comes with the territory like it so I think that allows people within our community to look at me and go awesome she's doing her own thing she's not letting people tell her what to do and so then therefore there's like a lot of acceptance that at least I I feel I receive I don't I I haven't felt any negative responses even though I've seen them on the internet right [Applause] [Music] taking hormones doesn't change your vocal chords it doesn't change the size of them like once they're shaped the shape that's it so you could get a surgery to change it but it's wildly successful so the way I learned to change my voice was by finding a female vocalist who was within my range that I could sing and I would put her CD on in my car and sing along with her when it comes to doing vocals I'm kind of a strong believer that you shouldn't change the vocalist of a band if you can help it because there's a lot of character in there [Music] I wanted to do something in between Scotty you know from repulsion and Barney from napalm death I got to hang out with Barney a lot and we were talking about his his vocal delivery and that it's really hard to mix him because he his vocals are so like projected that they just clip everything right and I was like that is fucking cool like I want to do that [Music] okay recording every guy all right you know before this video dies like I just want to say this corner Saxons it's the last great evolution of grindcore they took it to the next level I don't know where to go after that nobody's taking it and evolved it from that yet [Music] we've gone for noisy and and fast and sometimes it would somehow I always go tour it after that go towards like a melody like when I when I listen to a lot of music that I was trying to be extreme it was like missing the hook you know what I mean something that takes you somewhere like I like music that takes me someplace I don't want to just listen to it and have it wash over me you know I want to experience it somehow [Music] my thing was like as soon as you slow down you're selling out it's not that melody is bad like I mean I didn't want a bass in the band because I didn't want groove and rhythm I was so against how mental is becoming accessible that's why I hated power violence because it was like three seconds of what were tough and we're playing faster than this it's time to start throwing down and like punching the floor and being a douche bag hipster fucking piece of shit fucking move power love Islands fucking still get so angry about this before [Music] his lyrics were very personal but very negative in some aspect yeah a lot of people's how we were really pretentious because we didn't follow the same guideline that everyone else did I mean the last album was a shot from my front yard at the beach in the sky I I thought it was cool though I'm like that was the one thing I always strive to be a little different than everything else [Music] our first shows were actually overseas that was where the most interest in this foul music was was Japan [Music] what I liked about Japan every other band that played it was like their last show they were ever gonna play in their lives every note and every you know sweat blood and here people just went for it you can try to sound Japanese you can't sound Japanese it's the way their equipment is it's the way the rehearsal spaces are set up it's the way their shows are set up it's just a different vibe therapy from UK heresy and concrete shock spirit album then napalm death scum oh don't forget sob a fast 7-inch ultra-fast hardcore raging heart all the changes sound a bit and that's why I started my own band well Alfre grip started back in 1993 there is no grand cuisine how many people showed up is not so important to me you know I can say there is more bands than ten years ago but I think it is still underground music well we like just leaving the country a months out and back it in and then it'll get and then to Japan a month out and back again these bands like this Christ that's the old style Turin where you hook up in a van and drive across Europe bands like piss Christ I think free laid the groundwork for other bands from Australia to just make the contacts over there first and go look that black hole organised something for us that bloke organized something for us and they do it and off they go [Music] [Music] Australian bands going through Southeast Asia apparently never happened until Warsaw did it in the 90s and then that since then it's very popular for Australian bands to go and tour Southeast Asia [Music] [Music] [Music] I'm sort of spiking I've taught me here I've done a in this analysis of the difference between national grand cosines I felt it's a very international thing actually I felt that you don't I understand the lyrics you know you don't have all these things have enabled it to become more international than actual national [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] Nasim had a hook they'd fucking throw something in your like clicking with that I got it I got it I got it I got it you know if you can get that hook and you can just go hit it do it [Applause] [Applause] when you go to France or Spain or South America they they have some kind of humor to to it as well but that we just don't have [Music] I'm Anders I'm the founding member of Nasim I played every instrument in this band starting as a guitarist and a bassist and then going on to be the drummer and singer so I've been living with this band for more than half of my life and it's going to stay with me forever of course cuz it's dead for one thing Mexico would have hated to be a legend people have asked me for orders of him so he can make us a to his face and I say don't do it because he would have hated it like this really brutal sense of humor which would crack me up all the time yeah I was I was taking a shower and I had this indie pop record on really loud and it like then the music would get blurred out by the showers I could only hear like the bass frequencies and that made me think of this rare farmer man and then he went out of the shower and a kid and started like playing doing an awesome riff off of that a huge amount respect for this guy but he had this split personality we could be the most generous most like inviting kind person but he could also be like a really arrogant guy that would just be like hardcore cold that sucks you suck and I really enjoyed and feared those qualities in him I didn't know him there are a lot of other people have knowing much much better and have I've seen another side of him that I didn't never saw our relationship was so much concentrated in tune awesome and that was why I guess it doesn't mean that I miss him every fucking week [Music] I got a phone call from my girlfriend at the time saying do you know anything about misko and my immediate thought was that he had passed I don't think he had like a week of that whole year he had been working so hard that he really had to go on this vacation and and it's just you know it's just not fair yes your sister went down to Thailand to search for him she didn't find anything yet his girlfriend wasn't a mess all the bones in her body was broken and everything so it was quite a strange time because you never expect a band member to dying a natural catastrophe that doesn't I mean someone can die after the bill in a car crash or whatever but by a fucking wave of water like the month and a half before his body was actually failed after that and how I was such a isn't such an insane outpouring of you know support and empathy it's indescribable how much people cared about this grindcore singer in sun-browned you know I I try to remember even I said that's that really lively person he was after me Schmo died it just became this whole sad aura around it we felt like okay so the 20th anniversary would be an opportunity to actually do it like in the right way the core of the DA was all original so to speak not some numbers we just needed someone to sing the song [Music] before the show he called me up and asked if I want to do it and I was like yes right away I always wanted to do it without understanding how difficult it's difficult it's gonna be I wasn't trying to me I even couldn't make him one-to-one and I was kind of throwing in some of my own things which were feeling more natural to me [Music] [Applause] in the very beginning we just wanted to have high-energy crusts grind and we looked after sounding a little bit like extreme moister and do them what's us making it more metal and more fast and more furious more aggressive in our way and then having middle background just made it a little bit bigger song [Applause] [Music] [Applause] by the time the mid-90s are rolled around Eric had diversified to the point where they were maybe losing the focus on what bands put them on the map in the first place not not good communication they were overseas and we had problems when we were doing need to control like when they lost all the artwork they didn't pay us they they sold I'm sure they sold way more records than they told us they did there was that deal that they did with Columbia and somehow we didn't fit into their financial spreadsheet these bands went from nothing literally playing pubs to be on Columbia Records napalm death God flesh carcass it's insane right but that actually happened because they were selling so many records attracted you know the major label scenes this stuff's gonna break big next you know and it didn't so we felt we weren't getting the attention we deserved and that at the same time relapse had come up and relapse had really grown and expanded we live has always been good about that even on the forefront of bringing like a lot of extreme stuff like with misery index pig destroyer I mean [Music] who trusts them there's been a lot of people over the years different people running the label but their ethics have stayed the same we don't even have a contract with relapse really it's it's just an agreement a gentlemen's agreement he actually stopped signing great cool bands later none maybe last one was brutal truth 92 or whatever we had a four album deal with brutal truth and they they kind of preferred working with relapse which was okay but it kind of rattled me a little bit at the time we had a label that we thought was kind of getting a tiny bit too apathetic well we had another label that lived 150 miles from us like dude eventually we managed to negotiate who was me and Digg sitting face-to-face at a conference table at earache records in New York and I just said look man we would really appreciate it if we could just go to a label that we feel is gonna be a hundred percent behind us right now we were young and mouthy and he said fair enough just don't talk shit about me like Jeff Walker does and Kevin went on to hopefully Diggs not like butthurt over at anymore Memphis it was weird for a minute you know there were young guys they were like committed to what they were doing as I was and between us we kind of had a good thing going I mean he went sour in a couple of occasions in the intervening like 25 years luckily a lot of them are kind of water under the bridge now old hat [Music] so I think that's what uh well now that it is about 17 years later I mean we did make a pact at the time that we weren't going to discuss it whether the original guitar player was coaching money you know nothing too wild or anything like that he's tucking money away and I think at the time I was like I don't really care you know like but like you know let's not let him handle the money anymore basically we had never had a manager in the band different dudes in the bands were trying to take care of it we had one guy doing all the bad business another guy in the band said what the fuck are you doing left this receipts crumpled up on the windshield here you know I'm not getting in this rain to go on tour unless I take over the business so another guy took over the business he proceeded to kind of run things into the ground because he didn't know what he was doing either but because he done this hostile takeover he was too proud to admit it if you ask the dude running the band how much money we got in the bank account today I'm just shrug at you I'm just gonna say that it wasn't me or rich you know Dan's really not confrontational and it was easier for him to dissolve the band than to address the thievery this just can't go on anymore it's not enjoyable I don't play music to make a million dollars I play it because I enjoy doing it I no longer enjoy this fuck this it's over [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] in school we were reading old Greek texts and one of those texts I found the name Agatha class it's a old Greek freedom fighter he invited a rich for a dinner and after dinner a pickled Amal since I got Pablo's yeah yeah and also a grandson a cigar get loose [Music] Archie gothis is a descendant of Agatha Cleese the Greek tyrant of Syracuse but also our name apparently in Italian translates to where did you shit we've been told ARCA Gatos old gray one so we don't really fucking know [Music] at some point a lot of so called grind bands started with this homophobic thing worshipping snuff movies oh yeah you have records with dead people on can you show me you know and that's totally not what we mean with grind men score was supposed to be just like leftist political grind core you know no fucking homophobia no sexism no racism taking a stance on all that and I don't know I've always associated it with having a really old-school kind of sound to [Music] I think of it as a a punk-rock politically intention reboot or grindcore at this critical moment where things were getting to be I think really bogged down in a lot of bullshit I think it's like just intentionally avoiding metal attitude I think Minsk or was a response to like hating bad ribs okay it's Punk man I don't know it is political but it also is a sound I think it's like second generation you know kind of Minsk or I was born around the time I got the cleese was like doing some of their first records some kind of silly father-son thing they worship your ribs you know like this like in terms of sound right they do much better you know but with like I got strong left this political I hear from him a lot of times like oh now Vince core is something her name I came up with and now there are bands making Minsk were like yeah that's really crazy yeah now we have a specific event called haggis from from America new bands playing Minsk or [Music] [Music] or grind this is nasty it's guttural it make it sounds like they're fucking throwing up fucking chainsaw it is ripping through people and the vocals are all there [Music] carcass like really started the whole core kinda thing I think like just as far as like the vocals and just the riffing style even just down to like how the blast beats are played like it's just it all goes back to carcass I'd started carcass or attempted to an 85 as I got to know Jeff Walker I'm guessing towards the end of 86 we kind of rekindled the whole thing and this was the version of carcass that you know people later you know came to know [Music] Jeff had accessed some they were kind of like textbooks for students you know students in pathology I think he just cuss house tons and tons of stuff and then created a collage [Music] I think there was a little bit of begrudging respect for the the sleeve and how low we were tuned we were using a bit of Technology I think it was the SPX 90 or something once we realized the studio had one of those we just went nuts on it [Music] he's like a basically an effect pedal to pitch his voice down like at least an octave maybe I to to may give it that kind of it makes everybody sound like the most brutal thing on earth as long as you know all you gotta do is yell into it and it makes you sound like a monster more about kind of a fantasy element I think to it then I don't mean fantasy like swords and Conan ship [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] like you write about fucked up things in your head that you probably wouldn't otherwise speak about there's a difference between like a band that like talks about murder talks about death talks about something talks about bleak dark scary fucked up shit that's one thing [Music] [Music] place was packed drop-dead just finished playing and I missed them because I had to work and anal cunts up there to see the world in the last nine years Seth grabs the mic he starts walking on the stage a band went on stage and more or less um insulted the audience the singer was seek huiling and dropping n bombs and saying some really shitty things you're not gonna come to Providence and pull that shit the corner of my eye I see what I thought was Bob he had his face was painted he was painted up like a devil or something that night he had horns on and everything [Music] he just knocks that like Claire down Claire off the stage I knocked stuff off the stage and then I got a ball with the drama then just melee just happens to you [Music] [Applause] I ended up getting arrested my brother put a couple of those guys in the hospital and turned into an ugly thing and a riot happened to be honest with you a jail that said I know he actually pressed charges against me saying that I assaulted him and uh and I guess I guess I did huh you're not coming to Providence to seek island and there was a big big problem skinheads back in like Boston Providence very New England area and anal cunt always attracted the scheme's I think so they don't know grind they don't know anything about it but they love that you know all the songs and stuff you know Hitler was a sensitive man there you go if we did I just fuck with them they'd be like oh you know you know they kind of like I'm like no I'll make it fun of you so why aren't Pinkett you I'm making fun of you the racists are this there that I can tell you I can assure you Seth was never a racist I was never a racist Mike was never a racist fred was never a racist Polly was never a racist John was never a racist [Music] I know a lot of stuff was tongue-in-cheek you know I know but then a lot of that stuff with Southwest really legit he was definitely a hateful spiteful just angry mess of a human being you know what was he like hilarious he was a good guy in there he was cool they talked about pushing the envelope man and was that all tongue-in-cheek for him or was he just stood yeah he was just like he would poke he would just wanted to poke everything like he was really fucking mentally deranged which was hard because I was like really close with the guy for years John liked Seth quite a bit and and Seth really took him to town for it to stealing Seth's ideas of book written by John Chang that was one of the song titles on a record that set put them in the into their guest listened and there's a bunch of losers that that would the other kids this is the guy to my knowledge into what I remember sets favorite bands of all time or negative approach and the Village People he loved the Village People he saw the Village People more than 30 times seth has actually anal concepts stayed at my house you know with my wife and daughter in it you know there are times any turned off let me just be a normal person not just a maniac trying to fuck with people on the street but that being said every time we don't hang out on Lansdowne Street or something we'd almost get arrested for him just fucking with people that are trying to eat in the restaurant or something you can arrest it often on stage no off stage I don't I know comment on that one after the shows in Philly or at least after one of the shows when we were on the way back to the house he was like how's the show man I was like that's pretty good what do you think he's like I don't remember anything the shows I don't I I don't think he like remembers the shows that he did you know like I don't think he could come offstage and be like oh that was good or that softer whatever I think when he came off he had no idea what was going on you know it blacked out the last time I saw it was a sub Club in New York and Seth's mom was there and after the show we were we were all hanging out and Santa asked me if I met his mom before and I said yeah I know I grabbed her out of the pit like she's getting killed by these kids they were just crashed into her and she's like it's real woman she's like nothing so I grabbed her and pulled her out so she would stop getting clobbered and and he freaked out and he said I'm gonna fucking kill you and like everybody in the room just sort of stopped because he wasn't joking I remember what he did to Terry from grief I mean he hit the guy in the face intentionally and knocked out half the teeth in his face and even his mom was except you know what are you doing calm down why are you upset and he just like he was insane I heard later on he went out got crack and got like high that night like ended up sleeping on the street someplace he was a really fucking disturbed guy [Music] sometimes the stress of touring it could do that used to be the full-time think as misery index toward you know some years we do 200 plus shows in a year and that was like the life you know I'm glad we don't do that anymore to be honest hurry up and wait you know show up bloat in wait around play pack up get goin a huge thing you know is like drinking bands drink like crazy cuz you're sitting around all day or beer you know there's nothing to do you just slept somewhere and it's the biggest shit only ever slept in your life on tour we do sleep at people's houses and not know what else cuz we can't afford the hotels and you wake up in the morning and your whole body from inside out is dirty it's it's not what people think it is you know they don't thinks it's this whole fuckin drug orgy and that sort of thing and you know it's a job you know like any other but it's just a little different whenever someone asked me that you guys have had a job my Joey's drops it's how could we not [Music] no money to be made maybe that's what makes money they pump that makes money little true except that like you're lucky when you pee you your your gas and your van payments you know I mean like I tried to do everything I can as much as I can but I'm borrowing money from my friends to print t-shirts I'm borrowing money from my wife it's arranged in a circle so to speak where it's like I'll press at this plant and I'll press the next one here and then I'll pay this guy and this guy so you know it's always get person to STATS behind is always getting paid and the records kind of go around a circle that way we started out in a little unit that was probably as big as this little square and then got a bigger one and then we moved into this one we had to expand into another one over there and it keeps growing which is cool but records is a it's a messy business man if that was what DIY was about it was like Moses like being about your entrepreneurs and not necessarily catering to what big companies want [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] of course DIY goes long way it can be also a lifestyle in in many other ways means reviews fanzines spread your flyers getting the recording sending it to get mastered getting the artwork all together cut all the covers and we made it multiple layers but in certainly Oh stupid stuff - our - ourselves we tried to produce everything coordinate the merchandise we booked the flights in back then you can count on people to actually buy your records like you know if they were interested they wanted to support you because it was a DIY thing they recognized that the kind of content you were making would not exist unless you did you don't need the big stupid labels who rip you off by big contracts and blah blah blah try to keep everything in your own hands try to work with people you've created you created a network with it's possible because we are doing it and we get our shit released everywhere [Applause] I was working as a booking agent doing booking and management at relapse records and there was a guy who I was in touch with that organized shows somewhere in Michigan and he was doing some sort of management for Eyehategod who had lost all of their equipment in the Katrina who was there there are some rooms flooded out this guy put together a benefit CD and got in touch with me he was like hey what brutal truth want to do something on this you know because we were friends with I hate God and played tons of shows with them in the past you know [Music] we got together quote-unquote just to record that which I think Guren plays on Jen came back and played and his chops were just rotten so it didn't really work out but we decided we wanted to do it anyways we tried this other guy Jody who'd done some stuff and killed a client and stuff and he was okay but uh Burke was more of a fit [Music] Eric became a full member of brutal truths and then when it was time to write I had a great writing partner because I wrote a lot of stuff back in the old days but having Eric and his classic fluid style [Music] the two records I deal with him are fucking awesome I'm very proud of him and I love you know so it was it was definitely good a good feeling I feel fortunate to play for three of my fucking favorite bands you know a lot of people would call me a date for that you know what so be it I'm a dick [Applause] [Music] [Music] it was a really good friend of mine and bill that brothers really four of us lived in the same house there's me Danny Jesse imagine living the same edge you know we wouldn't have drank Boyd and Jesse was it was a regular she's very classical guitarist as well jesse was one of nicest guys ever apart from being one of the godfathers a grind like anybody you have perhaps corners to be first now to the you know you junk show everybody you never drank really that much when he came to England I think him you know when when you're young and I see a young American moving to England I think towards the end there was just a lot of stuff going his head with various things and he was drinking a little bit more than perhaps he should okay I can't pinpoint say the exact thing that was going on towards the end but he just got very intense I just I think it's like to affect his playing a little bit really unfortunately and I was really concerned for him and kind of my suggestion or a suggestion it you go back home [Music] I'd switch him a few times on the family I would saw him a couple of times and wasn't quite exactly the Jesse that I remembered unfortunately [Music] and then it's sad because away it ended up meeting him eyeball Richard we would have had more time we probably would have talked things out and who knows what could have been but uh it's just uh badly yeah I wasn't even allowed to go laughs you know [Music] oh well that's what you get you fuckin asshole and then he died lol I guess it was kind of a weird thing when he did die because we have some friends that are like yes of putnams dead because he's a total piece of shit and other people that are like god it's a bummer you know so I I would hate to be stoked about anyone's death you know I don't think that's a really positive way to approach things I don't want to like shit on his memory but like yeah he was a fucking scumbag I mean he was like a real backstabbing piece of shit in the end of his life I don't know what the hell happened Seth was a good guy I enjoy partying with him and joined hanging out with him you know fucking tragedy that happened you know [Music] you know we were obviously older and he had gone through the coma we got together and we we did our 20th anniversary show he did a show in town it was you know and this is one of those moments where I'd never thought I'd ever see it's like we played in our hometown to a fucking sold-out crowd of just crazy AC fans I'm like never did that ever happen in her town I I can tell you that the last time I saw him I'm looking I was looking at his face I was looking closely at him and I said you're jaundiced man we would go on the road and he would do things he's you know a person in a healthy body could shouldn't do and he was doing stuff and a body that had been really fucked and you know he would be like I'm gonna go do this I'm like hey look man you're an adult you can do what you want I could kick and scream all I want and I can't do that anymore when when I his wife called me I was not surprised I was disappointed [Music] people see that set that you know rolled around on stage did a lot of drugs I know a guy that he and I would sit and watch movies all day or watch The Simpsons and fucking eat Chinese food and talk about goofy stuff or play music or you know that was you know it's my friend you know and that's what I missed you know I missed that guy you know and it's just sucks [Music] grindcore is kind of I don't think it's just a ping what the original bands did it's not really that fresh is it I mean the future grindcore really is I would say some our electronic element I don't actually know for sure that someone's got to surprise me but if it's not if it doesn't include that it wouldn't be very contemporary music I don't think [Music] you know for a while it was a studio band we played three songs at a New England metal hardcore festival in 2003 something like that we've had a few plans to do it but I should say discussions [Music] feel good this your stage get up yeah pinkie swear I was the side project agoraphobic was the main thing because we'd already had honky Reduction out on relapse and they'd already been kind of like a ground swell for agoraphobic at that point and winds there ever a thought of her agoraphobic was that always bad yeah I mean we always kind of didn't really want a drummer but we did entertain having a drummer and we actually I practiced with Dave Witte a couple times in the early 90s but I think Jay and I just wanted to keep it very simple and didn't want to overcomplicate agoraphobic with playing live strangely enough we're gonna need some drums like snare and kick up their snare kick vocals and probably guitar and bass we need a little bit of time for the changeover what could go wrong tomorrow night oh there's lots that could go wrong somebody could spill beer on the computer we could have some equipment problems unplug a cable there's a million cables plugged in there could be a fire the cops can come and shut this show down somebody could have a heart attack I don't know that's why I just want to get through this one gig and see what the what the unforeseen things are that can happen hopefully nothing hopefully nothing [Music] Oh [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] I want it straight forward everything fucking red bleeding through everything noise just go you know Code Red hit it [Music] I don't know what's a ride across from the outside oh that looks like a pumpkin wait we think watermelon is like stuck oh oh hey I can't go like the cantaloupe or uh coconut yeah cheese has arrived well Richie wants to fuck some people's rights [Music] 61530