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(laugh) 13 00:00:38,005 --> 00:00:41,000 I think there is an infinite amount of time. 14 00:00:41,005 --> 00:00:42,000 Infinite. 15 00:00:42,005 --> 00:00:44,000 infinite, yes. 16 00:00:44,005 --> 00:00:45,000 I give us a million. 17 00:00:45,005 --> 00:00:46,000 A million years. 18 00:00:46,005 --> 00:00:48,000 I would probably say as nice about 10 years. 19 00:00:48,005 --> 00:00:50,000 10, 12 years. 20 00:00:50,005 --> 00:00:51,000 Thousands of years. 21 00:00:51,005 --> 00:00:54,000 47 years, three months, five days. 22 00:00:54,005 --> 00:00:55,000 It is approximate. 23 00:00:55,005 --> 00:00:57,000 We're like cockroaches on the planet 24 00:00:57,005 --> 00:00:59,000 no matter how much damage we're going to do, 25 00:00:59,005 --> 00:01:04,000 enough of us will survive to reproduce and keep going. 26 00:01:04,005 --> 00:01:05,000 Unless we can get to another planet, 27 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:08,000 but then we'll just mess it up like we did on Earth. 28 00:01:08,005 --> 00:01:10,000 Well, I think we'll be here 29 00:01:10,005 --> 00:01:13,000 for a long time, but we will change. 30 00:01:13,005 --> 00:01:16,000 We will turn into monkeys again. 31 00:01:16,005 --> 00:01:22,000 (exciting dramatic music) 32 00:01:22,005 --> 00:01:25,000 [Jeff] Have you ever wondered what would happen? 33 00:01:25,005 --> 00:01:30,000 What if a single species took over an entire planet? 34 00:01:30,005 --> 00:01:35,000 Maybe they're cute, maybe they're smart 35 00:01:35,005 --> 00:01:37,000 but a certain is missing 36 00:01:37,005 --> 00:01:40,000 should we say 37 00:01:40,005 --> 00:01:42,000 Self-control? 38 00:01:42,005 --> 00:01:44,000 (darker dramatic music) 39 00:01:44,005 --> 00:01:48,000 What if they go too far? 40 00:01:48,005 --> 00:01:52,000 What if they go far, far, far? 41 00:01:52,005 --> 00:01:55,000 way too far? 42 00:01:55,005 --> 00:01:57,000 (darker dramatic music) 43 00:01:57,005 --> 00:02:05,000 How would you know when it's time to go? 44 00:02:05,005 --> 00:02:16,000 (fascinating orchestral music) 45 00:02:16,005 --> 00:03:20,000 (Intensification of orchestral music) 46 00:03:20,005 --> 00:03:25,000 (Music fades) 47 00:03:25,005 --> 00:03:33,000 (old music) 48 00:03:33,005 --> 00:03:35,000 Because of our emissions from factories 49 00:03:35,005 --> 00:03:36,000 and cars every year 50 00:03:36,005 --> 00:03:40,000 of more than six billion tons of carbon dioxide, 51 00:03:40,005 --> 00:03:42,000 Our atmosphere seems to be getting warmer. 52 00:03:42,005 --> 00:03:44,000 Is it bad? 53 00:03:44,005 --> 00:03:47,000 Well, a couple of degrees of climb was calculated 54 00:03:47,005 --> 00:03:51,000 and the temperature of the earth would melt the polar ice caps. 55 00:03:51,005 --> 00:03:54,000 (Let the ice crash into the water) 56 00:03:54,005 --> 00:03:57,000 And if this happens, an inland sea would become a good part 57 00:03:57,005 --> 00:03:59,000 of the Mississippi Valley. 58 00:03:59,005 --> 00:04:02,000 Foreign weather, we are not only dealing with forces 59 00:04:02,005 --> 00:04:03,000 of a much greater variety 60 00:04:03,005 --> 00:04:06,000 when even the atomic physicists encounter 61 00:04:06,005 --> 00:04:08,000 but with life itself. 62 00:04:08,005 --> 00:04:12,000 (Piano synthesizer music) 63 00:04:12,005 --> 00:04:15,000 [Jeff] That was 1958. 64 00:04:15,005 --> 00:04:17,000 We knew about the dangers 65 00:04:17,005 --> 00:04:20,000 of climate change for six decades. 66 00:04:20,005 --> 00:04:22,000 There was so much air pollution back then 67 00:04:22,005 --> 00:04:26,000 that the sun was actually blocking. 68 00:04:26,005 --> 00:04:31,000 There was so much water pollution, rivers were burning. 69 00:04:31,005 --> 00:04:32,000 (Synthesizer music) 70 00:04:32,005 --> 00:04:36,000 Forget about throwing plastic bottles into the water 71 00:04:36,005 --> 00:04:39,000 We threw our cars into it. 72 00:04:39,005 --> 00:04:42,000 We also knew that one day we would run out of oil. 73 00:04:42,005 --> 00:04:43,000 For millions of Americans 74 00:04:43,005 --> 00:04:45,000 This could be the worst weekend you have ever had 75 00:04:45,005 --> 00:04:48,000 for the search for petrol to give them the freedom to drive 76 00:04:48,005 --> 00:04:51,000 that they take as their right. 77 00:04:51,005 --> 00:04:54,000 [Jeff] I never thought people would find a better way 78 00:04:54,005 --> 00:04:57,000 and I wanted to be part of it. 79 00:04:57,005 --> 00:04:58,000 A scientist raised the alarm 80 00:04:58,005 --> 00:05:01,000 and the modern environmental movement was born. 81 00:05:01,005 --> 00:05:03,000 Unless we can better control these chemicals, 82 00:05:03,005 --> 00:05:07,000 we are certainly on the way to disaster. 83 00:05:07,005 --> 00:05:09,000 [Jeff] students across the country 84 00:05:09,005 --> 00:05:11,000 organized the first day of earth. 85 00:05:11,005 --> 00:05:13,000 It's very, very fashionable at this point 86 00:05:13,005 --> 00:05:14,000 talk about the environment 87 00:05:14,005 --> 00:05:17,000 but as an everyday procedure you find that very 88 00:05:17,005 --> 00:05:21,000 very little is done. 89 00:05:21,005 --> 00:05:23,000 [Jeff] As for me, you could say 90 00:05:23,005 --> 00:05:26,000 I was an early environmentalist. 91 00:05:26,005 --> 00:05:27,000 When I was nine years old 92 00:05:27,005 --> 00:05:31,000 A bulldozer struck the forest near my house. 93 00:05:31,005 --> 00:05:35,000 I retaliated by putting sand in the gas tank. 94 00:05:35,005 --> 00:05:37,000 (softly dramatic music) 95 00:05:37,005 --> 00:05:40,000 When I grew up, I became a tree keeper and moved 96 00:05:40,005 --> 00:05:42,000 in the wilderness of northern Michigan 97 00:05:42,005 --> 00:05:46,000 to build a sustainable farm and communicate with nature. 98 00:05:46,005 --> 00:05:49,000 I wired my cabin for solar panels 99 00:05:49,005 --> 00:05:54,000 and used wood instead of fossil fuels. 100 00:05:54,005 --> 00:05:56,000 I wrote about sustainable living 101 00:05:56,005 --> 00:05:58,000 on environmental issues for Mother Earth News 102 00:05:58,005 --> 00:06:00,000 and several news agencies. 103 00:06:00,005 --> 00:06:03,000 (soft singing) 104 00:06:03,005 --> 00:06:08,000 I traveled the country to document invasive species. 105 00:06:08,005 --> 00:06:09,000 (hammer and clink) 106 00:06:09,005 --> 00:06:11,000 (Buzz) collapse of the ecosystem. 107 00:06:11,005 --> 00:06:13,000 (scary music) 108 00:06:13,005 --> 00:06:17,000 And endangered species. 109 00:06:17,005 --> 00:06:20,000 Come on girls, boys. 110 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:20,000 (Crowd sings) 111 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:23,000 I have reported protests against the destruction of mountains for coal. 112 00:06:23,005 --> 00:06:27,000 (People scream and clap) 113 00:06:27,005 --> 00:06:30,000 And was even confronted by the BP police once. 114 00:06:30,005 --> 00:06:31,000 (Car tire crunch) 115 00:06:31,005 --> 00:06:32,000 Journalist. Are you a journalist? 116 00:06:32,005 --> 00:06:33,000 [Jeff] Yes, yes, yes. 117 00:06:33,005 --> 00:06:35,000 You can definitely take all the pictures you want. 118 00:06:35,005 --> 00:06:36,000 [Jeff] Okay. 119 00:06:36,005 --> 00:06:38,000 We will write in our report and then we have to send it 120 00:06:38,005 --> 00:06:40,000 to the FBI and the US law firm. 121 00:06:40,005 --> 00:06:41,000 They'll call you. 122 00:06:41,005 --> 00:06:44,000 (Traffic whizzing) 123 00:06:44,005 --> 00:06:44,000 (popping) 124 00:06:44,005 --> 00:06:47,000 [Jeff] Through all of this I kept asking myself: 125 00:06:47,005 --> 00:06:52,000 Why are we still addicted to fossil fuels? 126 00:06:52,005 --> 00:06:56,000 So I decided to follow the green energy movement. 127 00:06:56,005 --> 00:06:59,000 (mild rock music) 128 00:06:59,005 --> 00:07:01,000 What better place to check out 129 00:07:01,005 --> 00:07:03,000 how our revolution of renewable energies is progressing, 130 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:05,000 as a solar festival 131 00:07:05,005 --> 00:07:07,000 in the green mountain state of Vermont. 132 00:07:07,005 --> 00:07:10,000 Powered by 100% solar energy. 133 00:07:10,005 --> 00:07:12,000 (Bass guitar and guitar music) 134 00:07:12,005 --> 00:07:15,000 Solar. (laugh) 135 00:07:15,005 --> 00:07:17,000 [Jeff] I was having fun. 136 00:07:17,005 --> 00:07:18,000 And got a chance to ask 137 00:07:18,005 --> 00:07:20,000 about the installation of solar panels. 138 00:07:20,005 --> 00:07:22,000 So you can add something every time 139 00:07:22,005 --> 00:07:25,000 Do you get a tax refund, buy another solar panel? 140 00:07:25,005 --> 00:07:28,000 (singing rock music) 141 00:07:28,005 --> 00:07:30,000 [Jeff] But then a little rain started to fall. 142 00:07:30,005 --> 00:07:33,000 (Rock band plays and sings) 143 00:07:33,005 --> 00:07:34,000 ♪ My guitar packed ♪ 144 00:07:34,005 --> 00:07:36,000 ♪ Off to the next bowling alley ♪ 145 00:07:36,005 --> 00:07:40,000 My cameraman noticed some excitement behind the stage. 146 00:07:40,005 --> 00:07:43,000 (Beat) 147 00:07:43,005 --> 00:07:44,000 [Jeff] What have you set up here? 148 00:07:44,005 --> 00:07:46,000 This applies to biodiesel generators 149 00:07:46,005 --> 00:07:51,000 in case we lose electricity through rain. 150 00:07:51,005 --> 00:07:52,000 [Jeff] So the festival is going 151 00:07:52,005 --> 00:07:54,000 especially on solar energy? 152 00:07:54,005 --> 00:07:55,000 Primarily. 153 00:07:55,005 --> 00:07:57,000 We have to bring some of these things with us 154 00:07:57,005 --> 00:08:00,000 just because we want to be sure 155 00:08:00,005 --> 00:08:04,000 We have enough power not to kill our fancy toys 156 00:08:04,005 --> 00:08:06,000 that we light the stage. 157 00:08:06,005 --> 00:08:07,000 [Jeff] Right. 158 00:08:07,005 --> 00:08:10,000 But the biofuel generator wasn't enough 159 00:08:10,005 --> 00:08:11,000 So they got blocked 160 00:08:11,005 --> 00:08:14,000 into the power grid that we all use. 161 00:08:14,005 --> 00:08:16,000 The other inverter is working 162 00:08:16,005 --> 00:08:18,000 it actually draws electricity from the grid, 163 00:08:18,005 --> 00:08:20,000 to charge the batteries. 164 00:08:20,005 --> 00:08:20,000 (Background chat) 165 00:08:20,005 --> 00:08:22,000 It runs backwards from the pa 166 00:08:22,005 --> 00:08:24,000 we originally intended to do it, but. 167 00:08:24,005 --> 00:08:27,000 (Guitar music) 168 00:08:27,005 --> 00:08:29,000 [Jeff] That was disappointing. 169 00:08:29,005 --> 00:08:30,000 (To sing) 170 00:08:30,005 --> 00:08:34,000 But it had been raining. 171 00:08:34,005 --> 00:08:37,000 Maybe next time it would go better. 172 00:08:37,005 --> 00:08:41,000 (soft rock music) 173 00:08:41,005 --> 00:08:44,000 Fortunately, hope was on the way. 174 00:08:44,005 --> 00:08:48,000 It's been a long time, but tonight 175 00:08:48,005 --> 00:08:50,000 Change has come to America. 176 00:08:50,005 --> 00:08:52,000 (Cheering the crowd) 177 00:08:52,005 --> 00:08:54,000 (Guitar music) 178 00:08:54,005 --> 00:08:56,000 [Jeff] Green activists across the country cheered 179 00:08:56,005 --> 00:08:59,000 as a newly elected president, Barack Obama, 180 00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:02,000 a trillion dollar stimulus package rolled out 181 00:09:02,005 --> 00:09:04,000 with almost $ 100 billion for green energy. 182 00:09:04,005 --> 00:09:06,000 (Guitar playing and people singing) 183 00:09:06,005 --> 00:09:08,000 Gruen was finally starting up 184 00:09:08,005 --> 00:09:12,000 and everyone wanted to be part of it. 185 00:09:12,005 --> 00:09:15,000 President Obama brought environmental activist Van Jones 186 00:09:15,005 --> 00:09:18,000 from the Apollo Alliance, with turnkey projects. 187 00:09:18,005 --> 00:09:20,000 You have to build tens of thousands of wind farms, 188 00:09:20,005 --> 00:09:23,000 You have to set up millions of solar panels. 189 00:09:23,005 --> 00:09:25,000 [Jeff] Former Vice President Al Gore, 190 00:09:25,005 --> 00:09:29,000 who had released an Oscar-winning film a few years earlier, 191 00:09:29,005 --> 00:09:31,000 shared his ideas with the president. 192 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:33,000 We now have the opportunity 193 00:09:33,005 --> 00:09:36,000 To create jobs across the country 194 00:09:36,005 --> 00:09:41,000 in all 50 states to supply America again. 195 00:09:41,005 --> 00:09:43,000 [Jeff] Al Gore had already encouraged 196 00:09:43,005 --> 00:09:46,000 Sir Richard Branson, owner of a billionaire airline, 197 00:09:46,005 --> 00:09:49,000 to invest generously in green energy. 198 00:09:49,005 --> 00:09:52,000 Branson promises future profits from its airline 199 00:09:52,005 --> 00:09:54,000 in the amount of maybe three billion dollars. 200 00:09:54,005 --> 00:09:57,000 Three billion, that's a B to fight global warming! 201 00:09:57,005 --> 00:09:59,000 Is Al Gore a Prophet? 202 00:09:59,005 --> 00:10:00,000 (laugh) 203 00:10:00,005 --> 00:10:05,000 Ah, ah, ah, how do you spell "prophet"? (laugh) 204 00:10:05,005 --> 00:10:09,000 (everyone's laughing) 205 00:10:09,005 --> 00:10:11,000 [Jeff] Investors came forward. 206 00:10:11,005 --> 00:10:14,000 [Newswoman] investor Vinod Khosla, known as the father 207 00:10:14,005 --> 00:10:16,000 the Clean Tech Revolution, 208 00:10:16,005 --> 00:10:19,000 pocketed over a billion dollars of his own money 209 00:10:19,005 --> 00:10:22,000 in about fifty energy startups. 210 00:10:22,005 --> 00:10:24,000 [Jeff] Big banks really wanted to get involved. 211 00:10:24,005 --> 00:10:28,000 We believe that for renewable energies by 2020 212 00:10:28,005 --> 00:10:32,000 $ 395 billion will be required on an annual basis. 213 00:10:32,005 --> 00:10:34,000 [Jeff] Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., 214 00:10:34,005 --> 00:10:37,000 was also a board member of large environmental organizations 215 00:10:37,005 --> 00:10:40,000 and led an investment group for green energy. 216 00:10:40,005 --> 00:10:43,000 We build wind farms, we build solar farms, 217 00:10:43,005 --> 00:10:46,000 As soon as you have built our system, there is always free energy. 218 00:10:46,005 --> 00:10:47,000 (Quiet music) 219 00:10:47,005 --> 00:10:49,000 [Jeff] The Sierra Club received $ 50 million 220 00:10:49,005 --> 00:10:51,000 by the billionaire and former New York Mayor, 221 00:10:51,005 --> 00:10:53,000 Michael Bloomberg. 222 00:10:53,005 --> 00:10:54,000 Your mission? 223 00:10:54,005 --> 00:10:56,000 Fight coal and promote clean energy. 224 00:10:56,005 --> 00:10:58,000 With the Mayor's gift the following will happen. 225 00:10:58,005 --> 00:11:02,000 We will have a large and aggressive presence in 46 countries. 226 00:11:02,005 --> 00:11:05,000 It is time for America to find a new energy path. 227 00:11:05,005 --> 00:11:07,000 One that takes us beyond coal. 228 00:11:07,005 --> 00:11:08,000 So funny 229 00:11:08,005 --> 00:11:10,000 [Jeff] And then Bill McKibben, 230 00:11:10,005 --> 00:11:13,000 one of the nation's leading environmentalists 231 00:11:13,005 --> 00:11:15,000 and author of a breakthrough book called 232 00:11:15,005 --> 00:11:17,000 The end of nature 233 00:11:17,005 --> 00:11:19,000 founded an organization called 350.org 234 00:11:19,005 --> 00:11:23,000 with the mission to ignite a global climate movement. 235 00:11:23,005 --> 00:11:24,000 (soothing music) 236 00:11:24,005 --> 00:11:26,000 I can show off my tie for a minute 237 00:11:26,005 --> 00:11:28,000 because they did it for me yesterday? 238 00:11:28,005 --> 00:11:30,000 It has this 350 on it 239 00:11:30,005 --> 00:11:33,000 because it's the most important number in the world. 240 00:11:33,005 --> 00:11:35,000 [Jeff] Things looked good. 241 00:11:35,005 --> 00:11:38,000 And the green energy transition was in progress. 242 00:11:38,005 --> 00:11:40,000 (Wind blows) 243 00:11:40,005 --> 00:11:43,000 Michigan had been hit hard by the Great Recession 244 00:11:43,005 --> 00:11:44,000 and hundreds of millions of dollars 245 00:11:44,005 --> 00:11:47,000 with the green stimulus program, money arrived. 246 00:11:47,005 --> 00:11:50,000 Now, to do their part for the new green economy, 247 00:11:50,005 --> 00:11:54,000 General Motors launched a new line of electric vehicles. 248 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:56,000 When the Chevy Volt was ready to be released, 249 00:11:56,005 --> 00:11:59,000 I attended their press conference. 250 00:11:59,005 --> 00:12:01,000 So these electric vehicles are finished 251 00:12:01,005 --> 00:12:04,000 for public consumption and we are ready 252 00:12:04,005 --> 00:12:06,000 with the infrastructure, with the tariffs, 253 00:12:06,005 --> 00:12:08,000 with communication. 254 00:12:08,005 --> 00:12:10,000 I am very grateful to be here today 255 00:12:10,005 --> 00:12:13,000 This is an opportunity for me to say formal thank you. 256 00:12:13,005 --> 00:12:15,000 The Chevy Volt is up. 257 00:12:15,005 --> 00:12:17,000 We will be able to see it. 258 00:12:17,005 --> 00:12:18,000 (Hit metal) 259 00:12:18,005 --> 00:12:19,000 [Woman] We have about 1,000 photos. 260 00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:20,000 [Jeff] Yes. 261 00:12:20,005 --> 00:12:21,000 Here is the plug. 262 00:12:21,005 --> 00:12:26,000 (Crowd laughs) 263 00:12:26,005 --> 00:12:27,000 (Click) 264 00:12:27,005 --> 00:12:29,000 As simple as that. 265 00:12:29,005 --> 00:12:31,000 [Jeff] The batteries are in the trunk? 266 00:12:31,005 --> 00:12:35,000 No, the battery in this special design is a T-shape. 267 00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:39,000 exactly in the middle and over the back seat area. 268 00:12:39,005 --> 00:12:41,000 (Group talk) 269 00:12:41,005 --> 00:12:44,000 Because everyone thought we killed the electric vehicle. 270 00:12:44,005 --> 00:12:45,000 No we have not. 271 00:12:45,005 --> 00:12:47,000 It is alive and well. 272 00:12:47,005 --> 00:12:50,000 [Jeff] So what's charging the batteries right now? 273 00:12:50,005 --> 00:12:51,000 What is the power source? 274 00:12:51,005 --> 00:12:53,000 Well, here it comes from the building. 275 00:12:53,005 --> 00:12:55,000 [Jeff] I mean is it our current mix? 276 00:12:55,005 --> 00:12:58,000 Oh, actually Lansing feeds the building. 277 00:12:58,005 --> 00:12:59,000 [Jeff] what's this? 278 00:12:59,005 --> 00:13:00,000 Lansing supplies the building with electricity. 279 00:13:00,005 --> 00:13:03,000 So, I don't know 280 00:13:03,005 --> 00:13:04,000 [Jeff] You are ... 281 00:13:04,005 --> 00:13:05,000 I bet there's some coal? 282 00:13:05,005 --> 00:13:08,000 I think they're full of natural gas, don't they? 283 00:13:08,005 --> 00:13:10,000 [Jeff] The car is charging from your network at the moment? 284 00:13:10,005 --> 00:13:12,000 Correct. 285 00:13:12,005 --> 00:13:18,000 It would be loaded from our network, which is 95% coal. 286 00:13:18,005 --> 00:13:19,000 [Jeff] How long will it take? 287 00:13:19,005 --> 00:13:23,000 before there is a solar and wind network? 288 00:13:23,005 --> 00:13:24,000 Oh my God. 289 00:13:24,005 --> 00:13:26,000 to suggest that the total energy consumption 290 00:13:26,005 --> 00:13:31,000 for these cars from wind and sun 291 00:13:31,005 --> 00:13:34,000 would be incorrect in the near future. 292 00:13:34,005 --> 00:13:36,000 Indeed, we are talking about charging 293 00:13:36,005 --> 00:13:39,000 At night, so there is no sun at this time. 294 00:13:39,005 --> 00:13:40,000 So we are exposed to the wind and very often 295 00:13:40,005 --> 00:13:43,000 the wind falls off at night. 296 00:13:43,005 --> 00:13:46,000 I don't think coal is bad. 297 00:13:46,005 --> 00:13:47,000 That what? The size 298 00:13:47,005 --> 00:13:48,000 Removal of the Talberg summit. 299 00:13:48,005 --> 00:13:49,000 Oh, mountain ... 300 00:13:49,005 --> 00:13:50,000 Oh yes oh yes. (laugh) 301 00:13:50,005 --> 00:13:51,000 [Jeff] Yes. 302 00:13:51,005 --> 00:13:56,000 It has nice BTUs, it has nice energy values. 303 00:13:56,005 --> 00:14:00,000 How do you burn it cleaner? 304 00:14:00,005 --> 00:14:02,000 I mean, do you see that natural gas is being bashed? 305 00:14:02,005 --> 00:14:05,000 We'll be natural gas based performance 306 00:14:05,005 --> 00:14:07,000 deliver very soon. 307 00:14:07,005 --> 00:14:12,000 And even with this mix, we plan to use biofuels when we can. 308 00:14:12,005 --> 00:14:14,000 [Jeff] Did you get any support? 309 00:14:14,005 --> 00:14:16,000 Oh, the environmental groups support us a lot. 310 00:14:16,005 --> 00:14:19,000 We have installed the largest solar system in the state 311 00:14:19,005 --> 00:14:21,000 at my company, The Board of Water and Lights, 312 00:14:21,005 --> 00:14:22,000 just down the street from here a few miles 313 00:14:22,005 --> 00:14:24,000 if you want to see it. 314 00:14:24,005 --> 00:14:26,000 Which agency are you with? 315 00:14:26,005 --> 00:14:27,000 [Jeff] New World Media, we're doing a poll 316 00:14:27,005 --> 00:14:28,000 on renewable energies. 317 00:14:28,005 --> 00:14:30,000 Oh, sorry, I have to go for a second. 318 00:14:30,005 --> 00:14:30,000 [Jeff] Okay, sure. 319 00:14:30,005 --> 00:14:31,000 Thanks a lot. 320 00:14:31,005 --> 00:14:35,000 (People talk) 321 00:14:35,005 --> 00:14:37,000 [Jeff] I decided to accept his offer 322 00:14:37,005 --> 00:14:40,000 to check your football field-sized solar system 323 00:14:40,005 --> 00:14:43,000 right down the street. 324 00:14:43,005 --> 00:14:45,000 What we try with this type of tour is: 325 00:14:45,005 --> 00:14:46,000 to get a feel for what they have already done 326 00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:48,000 as an indication of what we could do 327 00:14:48,005 --> 00:14:51,000 to get more out of it. 328 00:14:51,005 --> 00:14:55,000 We looked closely at wind power and found that 329 00:14:55,005 --> 00:14:58,000 there is no really good wind around here 330 00:14:58,005 --> 00:14:59,000 all the time. 331 00:14:59,005 --> 00:15:01,000 We liked that about solar. 332 00:15:01,005 --> 00:15:04,000 You would get the strength when you needed it most. 333 00:15:04,005 --> 00:15:06,000 Pass them around, look at them. 334 00:15:06,005 --> 00:15:07,000 You are flexible. 335 00:15:07,005 --> 00:15:10,000 Made in Michigan, that would be another good thing. 336 00:15:10,005 --> 00:15:11,000 Although the efficiency 337 00:15:11,005 --> 00:15:16,000 of these panels are just below 8%. 338 00:15:16,005 --> 00:15:18,000 If you happen to be a NASA member and you own it 339 00:15:18,005 --> 00:15:20,000 a rover running around Mars, 340 00:15:20,005 --> 00:15:22,000 you have very efficient panels. 341 00:15:22,005 --> 00:15:24,000 But we cannot afford that 342 00:15:24,005 --> 00:15:26,000 at about a million dollars per square inch. 343 00:15:26,005 --> 00:15:27,000 [Jeff] For how many houses would 344 00:15:27,005 --> 00:15:29,000 power this array? 345 00:15:29,005 --> 00:15:31,000 The standard answer we all say is: 346 00:15:31,005 --> 00:15:32,000 that we offer enough 347 00:15:32,005 --> 00:15:35,000 to meet the top requirements of 50 houses. 348 00:15:35,005 --> 00:15:38,000 But, for most people who do 349 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:39,000 take a closer look: 350 00:15:39,005 --> 00:15:43,000 we generate approximately 63, 64 thousand kilowatt hours per year. 351 00:15:43,005 --> 00:15:44,000 Our average customer uses 352 00:15:44,005 --> 00:15:47,000 about six thousand kilowatt hours a year. 353 00:15:47,005 --> 00:15:50,000 Six thousand in 64, it's just over 10. 354 00:15:50,005 --> 00:15:54,000 We can cover the energy needs for 10 houses. 355 00:15:54,005 --> 00:15:55,000 over a year. 356 00:15:55,005 --> 00:15:57,000 (Traffic hums) 357 00:15:57,005 --> 00:16:01,000 Will that be an incentive to invest more solar energy? 358 00:16:01,005 --> 00:16:03,000 Well, if you have all the energy 359 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:07,000 want to do more than a year for the city of Lansing? 360 00:16:07,005 --> 00:16:08,000 Now how about 361 00:16:08,005 --> 00:16:09,000 You have a solar system 362 00:16:09,005 --> 00:16:11,000 that would be three times five miles. 363 00:16:11,005 --> 00:16:12,000 Correct. 364 00:16:12,005 --> 00:16:13,000 But we don't do that. 365 00:16:13,005 --> 00:16:15,000 But I mean. (Female voice is hidden) 366 00:16:15,005 --> 00:16:18,000 [Jeff] My friend from the Sierra Club wanted him 367 00:16:18,005 --> 00:16:22,000 to be more positive but he wasn't interested. 368 00:16:22,005 --> 00:16:25,000 (Wind blows) 369 00:16:25,005 --> 00:16:28,000 As a result of the great pressure for green energy 370 00:16:28,005 --> 00:16:30,000 there are wind farms across the country, 371 00:16:30,005 --> 00:16:34,000 also near my house in northern Michigan. 372 00:16:34,005 --> 00:16:35,000 We have been making coal and nuclear power for years. 373 00:16:35,005 --> 00:16:38,000 We tried to get more on the renewable side. 374 00:16:38,005 --> 00:16:40,000 These are the biggest in Michigan 375 00:16:40,005 --> 00:16:43,000 I think it's a total of 482 feet (147 m). 376 00:16:43,005 --> 00:16:44,000 [Jeff] How many cubic meters of concrete? 377 00:16:44,005 --> 00:16:46,000 [John] There were 800 cubic meters of concrete at the base, 378 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:49,000 and around 140 tons of reinforcing steel. 379 00:16:49,005 --> 00:16:50,000 [Jeff] What are these rotors made of? 380 00:16:50,005 --> 00:16:52,000 This is all glass and wood fiber. 381 00:16:52,005 --> 00:16:54,000 They are about 36,000 pounds each. 382 00:16:54,005 --> 00:16:58,000 This tower will weigh 800,000 pounds when we are done. 383 00:16:58,005 --> 00:17:01,000 Then the unit weighs 220,000 pounds ... 384 00:17:01,005 --> 00:17:03,000 and the hub rotor assembly another 160. 385 00:17:03,005 --> 00:17:05,000 It is quite extensive. 386 00:17:05,005 --> 00:17:08,000 (Wind blows) 387 00:17:08,005 --> 00:17:10,000 [Jeff] They were impressive machines. 388 00:17:10,005 --> 00:17:12,000 (Wind blows) 389 00:17:12,005 --> 00:17:14,000 But is it possible that machines have some 390 00:17:14,005 --> 00:17:16,000 be made by an industrial civilization 391 00:17:16,005 --> 00:17:20,000 save us from industrial civilization? 392 00:17:20,005 --> 00:17:26,000 (Wind blows) 393 00:17:26,005 --> 00:17:27,000 (Group speaks together) 394 00:17:27,005 --> 00:17:29,000 In the home country of environmental leader Bill McKibben 395 00:17:29,005 --> 00:17:32,000 from Vermont, the Green Mountain State, 396 00:17:32,005 --> 00:17:33,000 one location was deforested 397 00:17:33,005 --> 00:17:36,000 for the installation of wind turbines. 398 00:17:36,005 --> 00:17:37,000 A group of citizens were concerned 399 00:17:37,005 --> 00:17:38,000 about how the construction 400 00:17:38,005 --> 00:17:41,000 could affect the mountains they love. 401 00:17:41,005 --> 00:17:43,000 I went on a tour with them. 402 00:17:43,005 --> 00:17:45,000 There will be 21 turbines. 403 00:17:45,005 --> 00:17:46,000 [Group] 21? 404 00:17:46,005 --> 00:17:47,000 Yes. about this project? 405 00:17:47,005 --> 00:17:49,000 in this project, yes. 406 00:17:49,005 --> 00:17:54,000 The guess was that there might be three full-time jobs. 407 00:17:54,005 --> 00:17:57,000 if the goal is to make Vermont the leader in climate change 408 00:17:57,005 --> 00:17:59,000 I appreciate looking at the sky 409 00:17:59,005 --> 00:18:02,000 in the hope that we can do it. 410 00:18:02,005 --> 00:18:05,000 But more importantly, I personally watch 411 00:18:05,005 --> 00:18:07,000 Towards the ground ... This is not a legacy that 412 00:18:07,005 --> 00:18:08,000 I want to leave it to my children. 413 00:18:08,005 --> 00:18:11,000 When I was a child we went hiking in these forests. 414 00:18:11,005 --> 00:18:13,000 we could drink from the beaker 415 00:18:13,005 --> 00:18:18,000 down the hill here, and now you have to question that. 416 00:18:18,005 --> 00:18:20,000 [Jeff] And how long should these towers last? 417 00:18:20,005 --> 00:18:21,000 [Man] about 20 years, 20 418 00:18:21,005 --> 00:18:24,000 I know it's only a nanosecond. 419 00:18:24,005 --> 00:18:25,000 [Jeff] 20 years? 420 00:18:25,005 --> 00:18:28,000 Oh, it's a nanosecond in the time of energy. 421 00:18:28,005 --> 00:18:29,000 [Jeff] Has anyone thought about it 422 00:18:29,005 --> 00:18:32,000 that this is a removal of mountain peaks for wind instead of coal? 423 00:18:32,005 --> 00:18:33,000 Yes, and we even let people say: 424 00:18:33,005 --> 00:18:36,000 "When you're in Kentucky and West Virginia 425 00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:39,000 Remove mountain peaks for coal, 426 00:18:39,005 --> 00:18:42,000 then it is time for the rest of the country 427 00:18:42,005 --> 00:18:45,000 also involved in the removal of mountain peaks, right? " 428 00:18:45,005 --> 00:18:46,000 Uhoh. 429 00:18:46,005 --> 00:18:47,000 [Jeff] Do you think he'll tell us to move out? 430 00:18:47,005 --> 00:18:48,000 [Man with a hat] Probably. 431 00:18:48,005 --> 00:18:49,000 The thing is, you gotta have a fossil fuel 432 00:18:49,005 --> 00:18:53,000 Have a power plant as a backup 433 00:18:53,005 --> 00:18:55,000 which is idle 100% of the time. 434 00:18:55,005 --> 00:18:58,000 Because when you drive the system up or down, 435 00:18:58,005 --> 00:19:01,000 depending on the demand for the wind 436 00:19:01,005 --> 00:19:03,000 then you actually create a larger carbon footprint 437 00:19:03,005 --> 00:19:05,000 as if you were just going through it. 438 00:19:05,005 --> 00:19:06,000 [Jeff] Do you ever go where they are going? 439 00:19:06,005 --> 00:19:07,000 That is not true. 440 00:19:07,005 --> 00:19:10,000 It doesn't matter, we will have an intelligent network. 441 00:19:10,005 --> 00:19:12,000 Doesn't make a difference, they still have to 442 00:19:12,005 --> 00:19:13,000 You use it. Let it run idle. 443 00:19:13,005 --> 00:19:18,000 Let's just say the wind has just stopped. 444 00:19:18,005 --> 00:19:20,000 It just stopped an hour ago. 445 00:19:20,005 --> 00:19:21,000 You must have this current. 446 00:19:21,005 --> 00:19:22,000 [Jeff] what are you doing 447 00:19:22,005 --> 00:19:24,000 I am an environmental, health and safety consultant. 448 00:19:24,005 --> 00:19:27,000 I usually work with companies to help them do things 449 00:19:27,005 --> 00:19:30,000 but I would never work with scum like that. 450 00:19:30,005 --> 00:19:33,000 (Leaves crunch) 451 00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:36,000 You didn't put me in front of the camera, did you? 452 00:19:36,005 --> 00:19:39,000 Though not judgmental or trying to play God, 453 00:19:39,005 --> 00:19:43,000 but we have to deal with population grow 454 00:19:43,005 --> 00:19:47,000 and we all have to reduce sustainable resources. 455 00:19:47,005 --> 00:19:50,000 All this energy is supposed to heat a water park. 456 00:19:50,005 --> 00:19:54,000 We can find unique and different ways to waste energy. 457 00:19:54,005 --> 00:19:56,000 This is not a Vermont company. 458 00:19:56,005 --> 00:20:00,000 Green Mountain Power is bought up by Gaz Metro 459 00:20:00,005 --> 00:20:03,000 and Gaz Metro belongs to Enbridge, as I understand it, 460 00:20:03,005 --> 00:20:08,000 It is a large commodity company in Canada 461 00:20:08,005 --> 00:20:10,000 which the oil sands recycle, 462 00:20:10,005 --> 00:20:13,000 and want to build the XL pipeline. 463 00:20:13,005 --> 00:20:14,000 Can you see it. 464 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:18,000 [Woman] And they're all in bed together. 465 00:20:18,005 --> 00:20:20,000 Still, we don't know the whole story. 466 00:20:20,005 --> 00:20:22,000 [Jeff] Have you asked Mr. McKibben to look at this? 467 00:20:22,005 --> 00:20:25,000 He thinks everything that is renewable is good. 468 00:20:25,005 --> 00:20:25,000 [Jeff] Yes. 469 00:20:25,005 --> 00:20:27,000 That's how I heard people say. 470 00:20:27,005 --> 00:20:32,000 (Wind blows) 471 00:20:32,005 --> 00:20:38,000 (Up-tempo music) 472 00:20:38,005 --> 00:20:41,000 [Jeff] I'm in a strange position. 473 00:20:41,005 --> 00:20:44,000 I am against our addiction to fossil fuels 474 00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:48,000 and have been a fan of green energy for a long time. 475 00:20:48,005 --> 00:20:49,000 (Crowd talks) 476 00:20:49,005 --> 00:20:52,000 But wherever I came across green energy 477 00:20:52,005 --> 00:20:54,000 it wasn't as it seemed. 478 00:20:54,005 --> 00:20:58,000 This is like an eternal energy battery. 479 00:20:58,005 --> 00:20:59,000 [Jeff] And where do you get the hydrogen from? 480 00:20:59,005 --> 00:21:03,000 The hydrogen is inside, the hydrogen is drawn 481 00:21:03,005 --> 00:21:06,000 from any hydrocarbon material. 482 00:21:06,005 --> 00:21:10,000 So you can get it from natural gas, you can get it 483 00:21:10,005 --> 00:21:15,000 of every petroleum-based product. 484 00:21:15,005 --> 00:21:16,000 [Jeff] I read about a zoo that was said to be 485 00:21:16,005 --> 00:21:20,000 being driven by elephant dung. 486 00:21:20,005 --> 00:21:21,000 But it turned out to be the elephants 487 00:21:21,005 --> 00:21:24,000 didn't even produce enough manure to heat the elephant barn. 488 00:21:24,005 --> 00:21:25,000 Yes, we really are not doing enough 489 00:21:25,005 --> 00:21:28,000 and what we had, elephant-wise, couldn't even do that. 490 00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:29,000 We would need a lot more. 491 00:21:29,005 --> 00:21:30,000 [Jeff] More elephants? 492 00:21:30,005 --> 00:21:31,000 [Zookeeper] Yes, (woman laughs) more elephants 493 00:21:31,005 --> 00:21:33,000 or crap. 494 00:21:33,005 --> 00:21:35,000 [Jeff] Ethanol plants seem too 495 00:21:35,005 --> 00:21:37,000 to have a secret ingredient. 496 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:39,000 This is the most productive farmland in the world 497 00:21:39,005 --> 00:21:42,000 and we're not that far west of the biggest coal mines 498 00:21:42,005 --> 00:21:43,000 also in the world. 499 00:21:43,005 --> 00:21:47,000 Bring the two together and you have an ethanol system. 500 00:21:47,005 --> 00:21:51,000 [Jeff] Great, so ethanol needed two things. 501 00:21:51,005 --> 00:21:54,000 A huge industrial agricultural system based on fossil fuels 502 00:21:54,005 --> 00:21:58,000 to produce corn and more fossil fuels, 503 00:21:58,005 --> 00:22:00,000 in the form of coal. 504 00:22:00,005 --> 00:22:05,000 All of this when trying to replace fossil fuels? 505 00:22:05,005 --> 00:22:09,000 It was enough to make my head explode. 506 00:22:09,005 --> 00:22:11,000 (pulsating music) 507 00:22:11,005 --> 00:22:12,000 I had the uncomfortable feeling 508 00:22:12,005 --> 00:22:16,000 that green energy would not save us. 509 00:22:16,005 --> 00:22:18,000 And I wasn't the only one. 510 00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:19,000 I counted something 511 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:21,000 like 25 different alternative energy options. 512 00:22:21,005 --> 00:22:24,000 So sure among all of these 513 00:22:24,005 --> 00:22:26,000 there are enough energy sources 514 00:22:26,005 --> 00:22:29,000 to basically keep us alive 515 00:22:29,005 --> 00:22:31,000 like we are in eternal ways. 516 00:22:31,005 --> 00:22:33,000 That is not the reality. 517 00:22:33,005 --> 00:22:36,000 We are currently getting in some cases 518 00:22:36,005 --> 00:22:39,000 No energy from these possible options. 519 00:22:39,005 --> 00:22:42,000 [Jeff] Richard York from the University of Oregon, 520 00:22:42,005 --> 00:22:44,000 published a study in the journal Nature 521 00:22:44,005 --> 00:22:47,000 asking a question:"Replacing non-fossil energy sources 522 00:22:47,005 --> 00:22:50,000 actually fossil fuels? 523 00:22:50,005 --> 00:22:51,000 What we often implicitly assume 524 00:22:51,005 --> 00:22:54,000 is that the replacement squeezes out 525 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:56,000 what you want it to replace. 526 00:22:56,005 --> 00:22:58,000 What you will find is: 527 00:22:58,005 --> 00:23:02,000 Nations that don't build fossil energy sources don't seem to be 528 00:23:02,005 --> 00:23:05,000 to realize special suppression of fossil fuels. 529 00:23:05,005 --> 00:23:07,000 [Jeff] This is pretty amazing. 530 00:23:07,005 --> 00:23:09,000 Billions of dollars are spent 531 00:23:09,005 --> 00:23:12,000 and green energy doesn't even replace fossil fuels? 532 00:23:12,005 --> 00:23:15,000 You don't even know it's a question, yes. 533 00:23:15,005 --> 00:23:19,000 The story we're in right now is fine 534 00:23:19,005 --> 00:23:21,000 We are in ecologically hot water, 535 00:23:21,005 --> 00:23:23,000 However, there are technological improvements 536 00:23:23,005 --> 00:23:25,000 and if we're just creative enough 537 00:23:25,005 --> 00:23:27,000 if we're just awesome enough 538 00:23:27,005 --> 00:23:30,000 and if we work hard enough, we will triumph. 539 00:23:30,005 --> 00:23:33,000 Searching for technological solutions one by one 540 00:23:33,005 --> 00:23:37,000 will just take us to another level of disaster 541 00:23:37,005 --> 00:23:40,000 sooner rather than later. 542 00:23:40,005 --> 00:23:43,000 We want to believe that these things will be available to us. 543 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:46,000 So if we worry a little bit 544 00:23:46,005 --> 00:23:50,000 and someone comes up with a new thing and promises 545 00:23:50,005 --> 00:23:56,000 let us believe that this will do it for us. 546 00:23:56,005 --> 00:23:59,000 (Guitar sounds) 547 00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:02,000 [Jeff] Because we're a little worried 548 00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:06,000 Do we really want to accept an idea that sounds alternative? 549 00:24:06,005 --> 00:24:07,000 Or green? 550 00:24:07,005 --> 00:24:09,000 (Strum guitar) 551 00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:12,000 Do we avoid looking too closely? 552 00:24:12,005 --> 00:24:18,000 because we don't want to know the answer? 553 00:24:18,005 --> 00:24:21,000 Ozzie Zehner, visiting scientist at UC Berkeley 554 00:24:21,005 --> 00:24:24,000 and Northwestern University introduced themselves 555 00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:27,000 some similar questions. 556 00:24:27,005 --> 00:24:28,000 I mean, I thought the solar 557 00:24:28,005 --> 00:24:31,000 and wind were probably very good solutions. 558 00:24:31,005 --> 00:24:32,000 It's not that long ago. 559 00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:36,000 One of the most dangerous things right now is the illusion 560 00:24:36,005 --> 00:24:39,000 that alternative technologies like wind and sun, 561 00:24:39,005 --> 00:24:41,000 are somehow different from fossil fuels. 562 00:24:41,005 --> 00:24:43,000 What I often hear is that solar cells 563 00:24:43,005 --> 00:24:44,000 are made of sand. 564 00:24:44,005 --> 00:24:47,000 [Announcer] Have you ever thought about sun panels? 565 00:24:47,005 --> 00:24:48,000 The main ingredient which 566 00:24:48,005 --> 00:24:50,000 they work is silicon or sand. 567 00:24:50,005 --> 00:24:51,000 [Announcer] This is what the commodity chips are made of 568 00:24:51,005 --> 00:24:53,000 consist of sand. 569 00:24:53,005 --> 00:24:55,000 They don't use sand at all. 570 00:24:55,005 --> 00:24:57,000 I'll show you something ... 571 00:24:57,005 --> 00:24:59,000 (Chair click) 572 00:24:59,005 --> 00:25:02,000 So this is one of the ingredients 573 00:25:02,005 --> 00:25:04,000 It is actually quartz that has been mined. 574 00:25:04,005 --> 00:25:05,000 (Stones rattle) 575 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:09,000 (Stone explodes) 576 00:25:09,005 --> 00:25:11,000 [Announcer] Spruce Pine, North Carolina, 577 00:25:11,005 --> 00:25:14,000 is considered the best source in the world for high-purity quartz 578 00:25:14,005 --> 00:25:16,000 for semiconductors, solar 579 00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:18,000 and communication applications. 580 00:25:18,005 --> 00:25:21,000 You cannot use sand because sand contains too many contaminants. 581 00:25:21,005 --> 00:25:24,000 So you start with very high quality quartz 582 00:25:24,005 --> 00:25:26,000 and coal of very high quality. Then be 583 00:25:26,005 --> 00:25:30,000 these two put together in an arc furnace and fused. 584 00:25:30,005 --> 00:25:33,000 [Woman] The quartz is then melted with coal 585 00:25:33,005 --> 00:25:38,000 in a large oven at temperatures of up to 1,800 degrees. 586 00:25:38,005 --> 00:25:41,000 and you need more coal to do this. 587 00:25:41,005 --> 00:25:42,000 I get another coal out. 588 00:25:42,005 --> 00:25:45,000 If we melt them together, 589 00:25:45,005 --> 00:25:47,000 we get silicon metal and carbon dioxide. 590 00:25:47,005 --> 00:25:48,000 The carbon dioxide just goes off 591 00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:49,000 and you got rid of the carbon 592 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:51,000 and have silicon metal left. 593 00:25:51,005 --> 00:25:52,000 It is not clean coal. (laugh) 594 00:25:52,005 --> 00:25:54,000 [Jeff] Not clean coal. 595 00:25:54,005 --> 00:25:56,000 Ozzie Zehner said it was an illusion 596 00:25:56,005 --> 00:26:00,000 that renewable energy will replace coal or any fossil fuel. 597 00:26:00,005 --> 00:26:03,000 Environmental groups continue to tell a different story. 598 00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:06,000 We have already seen that more than 25% of the U.S. coal fleet 599 00:26:06,005 --> 00:26:10,000 has already withdrawn 600 00:26:10,005 --> 00:26:11,000 or has a decommissioning schedule. 601 00:26:11,005 --> 00:26:14,000 [Jeff] Coal-fired power plants closed, but Ozzie said 602 00:26:14,005 --> 00:26:16,000 that well-meaning people have been misled. 603 00:26:16,005 --> 00:26:18,000 NV Energy will now shut down the plant 604 00:26:18,005 --> 00:26:19,000 and go with renewable. 605 00:26:19,005 --> 00:26:21,000 One of the largest solar systems 606 00:26:21,005 --> 00:26:23,000 and that will happen right behind me. 607 00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:25,000 since you cannot replace a coal-fired power plant with solar, 608 00:26:25,005 --> 00:26:27,000 they actually replace the coal-fired power plant 609 00:26:27,005 --> 00:26:29,000 through two natural gas plants. 610 00:26:29,005 --> 00:26:31,000 And natural gas is a fossil fuel. 611 00:26:31,005 --> 00:26:33,000 This is the Las Vegas CoGen natural gas plant. 612 00:26:33,005 --> 00:26:35,000 This is one of the facilities 613 00:26:35,005 --> 00:26:38,000 which replaces the decommissioned coal-fired power plant. 614 00:26:38,005 --> 00:26:41,000 This is the Sun Peak generation facility. 615 00:26:41,005 --> 00:26:43,000 This is the second natural gas plant 616 00:26:43,005 --> 00:26:46,000 that was used to replace the coal-fired power plant. 617 00:26:46,005 --> 00:26:48,000 And you hear the same story in Iowa. 618 00:26:48,005 --> 00:26:50,000 [Woman] Instead of the generated energy 619 00:26:50,005 --> 00:26:51,000 from coal-fired power plants, 620 00:26:51,005 --> 00:26:53,000 the solar park is now 621 00:26:53,005 --> 00:26:57,000 avoid about 2.1 million pounds of carbon pollution. 622 00:26:57,005 --> 00:27:01,000 But then they build a bigger natural gas plant. 623 00:27:01,005 --> 00:27:04,000 This is a 650 megawatt natural gas plant. 624 00:27:04,005 --> 00:27:05,000 That is four times more megawatts 625 00:27:05,005 --> 00:27:09,000 than the coal-fired power station over there that it replaces. 626 00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:11,000 And they do the same in North Carolina, 627 00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:12,000 which was the topic of all things 628 00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:15,000 this series "Years of Dangerous Life" 629 00:27:15,005 --> 00:27:17,000 Duke Energy is currently operating a coal-fired power plant 630 00:27:17,005 --> 00:27:19,000 outside of Asheville, which is the largest 631 00:27:19,005 --> 00:27:22,000 Climate pollution source in western North Carolina. 632 00:27:22,005 --> 00:27:24,000 And we are working on decommissioning this plant 633 00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:25,000 and replace it with clean energy. 634 00:27:25,005 --> 00:27:26,000 But what they don't tell you is 635 00:27:26,005 --> 00:27:29,000 that we are also building a larger natural gas plant. 636 00:27:29,005 --> 00:27:34,000 So we will pull a 376 megawatt coal-fired power plant out of circulation. 637 00:27:34,005 --> 00:27:36,000 We're going to invest $ 750 million 638 00:27:36,005 --> 00:27:39,000 to build a state-of-the-art natural gas plant. 639 00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,000 When Michael Brune gets up and talks about clean energy, 640 00:27:41,005 --> 00:27:43,000 he uses solar cells and wind turbines. 641 00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:44,000 It is the new world. 642 00:27:44,005 --> 00:27:46,000 100% clean energy. 643 00:27:46,005 --> 00:27:48,000 When Michael Bloomberg gets up and says: 644 00:27:48,005 --> 00:27:51,000 Cleaner energy, he speaks of natural gas. 645 00:27:51,005 --> 00:27:55,000 Create cleaner energy, sun, wind and natural gas. 646 00:27:55,005 --> 00:27:57,000 [Ozzie] The Sierra Club's Beyond Coal campaign is actually falling 647 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 actually with one of the biggest production expansions 648 00:28:00,005 --> 00:28:03,000 fossil fuels that we have ever achieved. 649 00:28:03,005 --> 00:28:06,000 Most of it is natural gas. 650 00:28:06,005 --> 00:28:07,000 [Jeff] Ozzie's claim 651 00:28:07,005 --> 00:28:10,000 that renewable energies do not replace fossil fuels: 652 00:28:10,005 --> 00:28:12,000 if this is true, all of our assumptions would 653 00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:17,000 about green energy and what would save us upside down. 654 00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:18,000 (calm piano music) 655 00:28:18,005 --> 00:28:20,000 What would happen if I asked the same question? 656 00:28:20,005 --> 00:28:23,000 for industry experts? 657 00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:25,000 Such as. where do sun panels come from? 658 00:28:25,005 --> 00:28:26,000 Well, you have to start with a mine. 659 00:28:26,005 --> 00:28:27,000 [Jeff] Wait until you see mine 660 00:28:27,005 --> 00:28:29,000 (laugh) 661 00:28:29,005 --> 00:28:31,000 Or what prevents us from governing the world? 662 00:28:31,005 --> 00:28:33,000 on 100% sun and wind? 663 00:28:33,005 --> 00:28:36,000 Inconsistency is one of the biggest challenges. 664 00:28:36,005 --> 00:28:37,000 Good stability. 665 00:28:37,005 --> 00:28:40,000 The sun is everywhere except when it's not there. 666 00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:42,000 There were a lot of developers out there 667 00:28:42,005 --> 00:28:45,000 flocked to California for their solar parks 668 00:28:45,005 --> 00:28:46,000 and to connect wind farms. 669 00:28:46,005 --> 00:28:47,000 The utilities would contact me and my team 670 00:28:47,005 --> 00:28:51,000 to help them investigate the impact on their network. 671 00:28:51,005 --> 00:28:52,000 [Jeff] If we have solar cells 672 00:28:52,005 --> 00:28:54,000 or add wind turbines to a network, 673 00:28:54,005 --> 00:28:56,000 can we shut down a coal-fired power station? 674 00:28:56,005 --> 00:28:58,000 That is certainly the goal, the problem is 675 00:28:58,005 --> 00:29:01,000 or the difference is that renewable energies are inconsistent. 676 00:29:01,005 --> 00:29:03,000 Suddenly a cloud cover could come 677 00:29:03,005 --> 00:29:07,000 and your solar energy could decrease drastically. 678 00:29:07,005 --> 00:29:08,000 And if you have nothing else there 679 00:29:08,005 --> 00:29:12,000 balancing whatever the burden is at that moment, 680 00:29:12,005 --> 00:29:14,000 then there will be power cuts. 681 00:29:14,005 --> 00:29:15,000 [Jeff] So we can't 682 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:17,000 turn off a fossil fuel power plant 683 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:19,000 when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing? 684 00:29:19,005 --> 00:29:20,000 It's not that easy. 685 00:29:20,005 --> 00:29:23,000 We have to be able to secure this power output 686 00:29:23,005 --> 00:29:26,000 to keep the system stable all the time 687 00:29:26,005 --> 00:29:28,000 so it doesn't break down 688 00:29:28,005 --> 00:29:32,000 Most likely it will be through fast acting gas systems, 689 00:29:32,005 --> 00:29:35,000 but also what we call base load systems, 690 00:29:35,005 --> 00:29:37,000 either nuclear power or coal that is in constant use 691 00:29:37,005 --> 00:29:40,000 but maybe shut down during the day 692 00:29:40,005 --> 00:29:44,000 and started up again when the demand increases. 693 00:29:44,005 --> 00:29:45,000 [Jeff] Does it affect efficiency? 694 00:29:45,005 --> 00:29:48,000 Switching power plants on and off with fossil fuels? 695 00:29:48,005 --> 00:29:49,000 Oh yeah. 696 00:29:49,005 --> 00:29:51,000 You don't like being driven up and down. 697 00:29:51,005 --> 00:29:54,000 It does ... that's wear and tear for them. 698 00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:58,000 When you turn it on, turn it off, energy is used 699 00:29:58,005 --> 00:29:59,000 and lost and anytime, 700 00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:01,000 a bit like turning your car on and off, 701 00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:02,000 You use a little extra gas 702 00:30:02,005 --> 00:30:03,000 to turn it on. 703 00:30:03,005 --> 00:30:04,000 I still think you 704 00:30:04,005 --> 00:30:06,000 have to maintain a kind of base load. 705 00:30:06,005 --> 00:30:07,000 [Jeff] Then what's the solution? 706 00:30:07,005 --> 00:30:08,000 You need energy storage. 707 00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:12,000 You can't rely on it without storage. 708 00:30:12,005 --> 00:30:15,000 If you can save the generated energy 709 00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:19,000 of things that are intermittent like sun and wind, 710 00:30:19,005 --> 00:30:22,000 you can save them, so you reduce 711 00:30:22,005 --> 00:30:23,000 Your base load requirements. 712 00:30:23,005 --> 00:30:24,000 [Jeff] But would add memory 713 00:30:24,005 --> 00:30:27,000 how batteries increase their carbon footprint? 714 00:30:27,005 --> 00:30:29,000 Yes absolutely. 715 00:30:29,005 --> 00:30:31,000 Actually to a large extent. 716 00:30:31,005 --> 00:30:34,000 And when more energy storage devices go online, 717 00:30:34,005 --> 00:30:37,000 it has a massive implication. 718 00:30:37,005 --> 00:30:38,000 (Piano music) 719 00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:40,000 [Jeff] When I looked up how much battery storage 720 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,000 there is, it is less than a ten 721 00:30:42,005 --> 00:30:44,000 one percent of what is needed. 722 00:30:44,005 --> 00:30:47,000 They will start to decompose in a few years 723 00:30:47,005 --> 00:30:50,000 and have to be replaced a few years later. 724 00:30:50,005 --> 00:30:53,000 I learned that sun panels don't last forever. 725 00:30:53,005 --> 00:30:55,000 Some solar panels are designed for a lifespan of only 10 years. 726 00:30:55,005 --> 00:31:00,000 So there is nothing with this magical free energy ... 727 00:31:00,005 --> 00:31:02,000 I don’t know it’s the solution 728 00:31:02,005 --> 00:31:07,000 and here I help sell the materials 729 00:31:07,005 --> 00:31:10,000 which would go into photovoltaics. 730 00:31:10,005 --> 00:31:12,000 [Jeff] And so, about the profound limitations of sun and wind 731 00:31:12,005 --> 00:31:16,000 to overcome which are seldom discussed in the media. 732 00:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,000 A new generation of technology rose 733 00:31:18,005 --> 00:31:20,000 in the California desert. 734 00:31:20,005 --> 00:31:21,000 [Woman] What is this? 735 00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:23,000 What we use is a mirror field 736 00:31:23,005 --> 00:31:26,000 Focus sunlight on a tower. 737 00:31:26,005 --> 00:31:29,000 The power plant will have 377 megawatts 738 00:31:29,005 --> 00:31:31,000 be the largest of its kind in the world. 739 00:31:31,005 --> 00:31:34,000 This will be the largest solar system in the world! 740 00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:35,000 (Crowd claps and cheers) 741 00:31:35,005 --> 00:31:37,000 There are some people who look at a desert 742 00:31:37,005 --> 00:31:40,000 and see km after km of emptiness. 743 00:31:40,005 --> 00:31:44,000 I see miles and miles of a gold mine. 744 00:31:44,005 --> 00:31:46,000 [Jeff] But this next generation 745 00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:49,000 also has a fossil fuel secret. 746 00:31:49,005 --> 00:31:51,000 This solar system burns quite a bit of natural gas 747 00:31:51,005 --> 00:31:53,000 every morning to get it up and running. 748 00:31:53,005 --> 00:31:55,000 [Jeff] How long do you have to burn it for? 749 00:31:55,005 --> 00:31:56,000 Usually hours. 750 00:31:56,005 --> 00:31:59,000 This is the incoming natural gas for the plant. 751 00:31:59,005 --> 00:32:01,000 This plant would also work without natural gas 752 00:32:01,005 --> 00:32:03,000 how I would be without coffee in the morning. (laugh) 753 00:32:03,005 --> 00:32:05,000 [Jeff] Or maybe how you would be without food. 754 00:32:05,005 --> 00:32:06,000 Without food, yes. (laugh) 755 00:32:06,005 --> 00:32:08,000 You have to apply for a permit for acid rain, 756 00:32:08,005 --> 00:32:11,000 Permits for nitrous oxide emissions, 757 00:32:11,005 --> 00:32:14,000 You have to apply for CO2 compensation permits. 758 00:32:14,005 --> 00:32:16,000 Because carbon dioxide is produced here 759 00:32:16,005 --> 00:32:17,000 so they have to make up for it. 760 00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:20,000 The whole thing is built using the fossil fuel infrastructure. 761 00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:22,000 from concrete to steel to mirrors, 762 00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:24,000 and the back of the mirrors. 763 00:32:24,005 --> 00:32:29,000 The sun is renewable, but the solar system is not. 764 00:32:29,005 --> 00:32:30,000 [Jeff] Oh come on. 765 00:32:30,005 --> 00:32:31,000 There has to be something renewable. 766 00:32:31,005 --> 00:32:32,000 Glass is renewable. 767 00:32:32,005 --> 00:32:33,000 Glass. (laugh) 768 00:32:33,005 --> 00:32:34,000 Glass is not renewable. 769 00:32:34,005 --> 00:32:36,000 [Jeff] Iron is renewable. 770 00:32:36,005 --> 00:32:38,000 (laugh) 771 00:32:38,005 --> 00:32:39,000 Aluminum? 772 00:32:39,005 --> 00:32:39,000 It is renewable. 773 00:32:39,005 --> 00:32:41,000 I recycle my beverage cans. 774 00:32:41,005 --> 00:32:42,000 (laughs) I know it's renewable. 775 00:32:42,005 --> 00:32:44,000 Yes, the problem with all of these materials is 776 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:48,000 that it takes an incredible amount of energy to extract 777 00:32:48,005 --> 00:32:51,000 and process all materials 778 00:32:51,005 --> 00:32:52,000 which goes into building something like that. 779 00:32:52,005 --> 00:32:55,000 They use more fossil fuels for this 780 00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:58,000 than you benefit from it. 781 00:32:58,005 --> 00:33:00,000 You'd be better off if you just burned the fossil fuels 782 00:33:00,005 --> 00:33:03,000 in the first place, instead of playing like that. 783 00:33:03,005 --> 00:33:04,000 [Jeff] That green energy is nothing 784 00:33:04,005 --> 00:33:07,000 dealing with fossil fuels is obviously a story 785 00:33:07,005 --> 00:33:09,000 just for you and me. 786 00:33:09,005 --> 00:33:11,000 Here is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., 787 00:33:11,005 --> 00:33:14,000 in conversation with insiders from oil and gas companies. 788 00:33:14,005 --> 00:33:17,000 It is a combined solar gas system. 789 00:33:17,005 --> 00:33:20,000 It is a turbine that we are taking out of a gas system. 790 00:33:20,005 --> 00:33:22,000 hang it on a large scaffold, a tower, 791 00:33:22,005 --> 00:33:25,000 and surround it with huge mirrors in the desert. 792 00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:26,000 The plants we build, the wind turbines 793 00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:29,000 and the solar systems are gas systems. 794 00:33:29,005 --> 00:33:32,000 [Jeff] What game is being played? 795 00:33:32,005 --> 00:33:36,000 Well (gusty wind), we are basically fed only a lie. 796 00:33:36,005 --> 00:33:37,000 For example you will hear 797 00:33:37,005 --> 00:33:39,000 over Germany that runs on wind and sun. 798 00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:41,000 35% right now. 799 00:33:41,005 --> 00:33:43,000 50% of their electricity. 800 00:33:43,005 --> 00:33:45,000 There were days last summer 801 00:33:45,005 --> 00:33:46,000 than the Germans 80% 802 00:33:46,005 --> 00:33:48,000 their electricity was generated by the sun. 803 00:33:48,005 --> 00:33:49,000 [Ozzie] But Germany 804 00:33:49,005 --> 00:33:51,000 is still Europe's largest coal consumer. 805 00:33:51,005 --> 00:33:58,000 (speak in foreign language) 806 00:33:58,005 --> 00:33:59,000 Uhh. 807 00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:00,000 [Ozzie] Just a small fraction 808 00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:03,000 their energy actually comes from wind and sun. 809 00:34:03,005 --> 00:34:05,000 In fact, Germany has just built a large terminal 810 00:34:05,005 --> 00:34:09,000 to import natural gas from the United States. 811 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,000 Elon Musk, the founder of Tesla, 812 00:34:11,005 --> 00:34:13,000 when he announced his Gigafactory battery system, 813 00:34:13,005 --> 00:34:16,000 he said it would get wind and solar energy. 814 00:34:16,005 --> 00:34:19,000 Through a combination of geothermal wind and sun, 815 00:34:19,005 --> 00:34:22,000 it will produce all the energy it needs. 816 00:34:22,005 --> 00:34:23,000 [Ozzie] But actually it has power lines that connect it 817 00:34:23,005 --> 00:34:28,000 to the same power grid to which we are all connected. 818 00:34:28,005 --> 00:34:33,000 (rapid dramatic music) 819 00:34:33,005 --> 00:34:35,000 Electric cars, wind turbines 820 00:34:35,005 --> 00:34:37,000 and solar panels use rare earth metals. 821 00:34:37,005 --> 00:34:38,000 And the rare earth mine is actually mine 822 00:34:38,005 --> 00:34:41,000 right up the street from here. 823 00:34:41,005 --> 00:34:43,000 When these deep deposits are mined, they contain about 90% 824 00:34:43,005 --> 00:34:47,000 of what they pull out of the ground, uranium, 825 00:34:47,005 --> 00:34:50,000 Thorium and a small amount of other radionuclides. 826 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:53,000 Radioactive waste that has to be disposed of somehow. 827 00:34:53,005 --> 00:34:56,000 They turn it into a paste and spread it out 828 00:34:56,005 --> 00:34:57,000 over the desert floor. 829 00:34:57,005 --> 00:34:58,000 [Jeff] Well that's good for the desert, right. 830 00:34:58,005 --> 00:35:00,000 Yes, the desert loves it. 831 00:35:00,005 --> 00:35:02,000 (laugh) 832 00:35:02,005 --> 00:35:04,000 Tesla’s electric cars are made of aluminum, 833 00:35:04,005 --> 00:35:05,000 which uses eight times more energy 834 00:35:05,005 --> 00:35:07,000 to manufacture as steel. 835 00:35:07,005 --> 00:35:11,000 They use lithium, which is also dependent on toxic degradation. 836 00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:13,000 And more graphite, one 837 00:35:13,005 --> 00:35:15,000 is the rarest form of carbon. 838 00:35:15,005 --> 00:35:16,000 Indeed, the investors wanted 839 00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:18,000 open several new graphite mines 840 00:35:18,005 --> 00:35:21,000 after Tesla announced the Gigafactory. 841 00:35:21,005 --> 00:35:23,000 Apple claims to be 100% renewable. 842 00:35:23,005 --> 00:35:26,000 We never stop thinking about what's best for the planet. 843 00:35:26,005 --> 00:35:29,000 We now run Apple 100% on renewable energy. 844 00:35:29,005 --> 00:35:34,000 (applause and cheers) All of our facilities worldwide. 845 00:35:34,005 --> 00:35:35,000 [Ozzie] And they cut down a forest 846 00:35:35,005 --> 00:35:38,000 to set up solar panels near their North Carolina facility. 847 00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:41,000 But they have not disconnected from the power grid and cannot. 848 00:35:41,005 --> 00:35:43,000 Herzog says that energy-hungry companies 849 00:35:43,005 --> 00:35:46,000 how Apple can never go completely off the grid. 850 00:35:46,005 --> 00:35:48,000 You are still connected to our power grid. 851 00:35:48,005 --> 00:35:49,000 (rapid energetic music) 852 00:35:49,005 --> 00:35:50,000 [Ozzie] Despite all claims 853 00:35:50,005 --> 00:35:53,000 I haven't found a single entity anywhere in the world 854 00:35:53,005 --> 00:35:57,000 which runs 100% with sun and wind. 855 00:35:57,005 --> 00:35:59,000 (exciting music) 856 00:35:59,005 --> 00:36:02,000 [Jeff] It turns out that you don't need fossil fuels 857 00:36:02,005 --> 00:36:06,000 to run a place like Ivanpah, you need the devil yourself. 858 00:36:06,005 --> 00:36:09,000 or in this case yourself. 859 00:36:09,005 --> 00:36:11,000 [Ozzie] All the mirrors you see there are built 860 00:36:11,005 --> 00:36:14,000 by the Bruedern Koch, Guardian Glass Industry, 861 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,000 a company they control. 862 00:36:15,005 --> 00:36:17,000 Koch Carbon generates many of the inputs used 863 00:36:17,005 --> 00:36:20,000 to produce the cement and the concrete and the steel. 864 00:36:20,005 --> 00:36:22,000 And not only that, they build the systems 865 00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:24,000 which manufacture polysilicon for solar cells. 866 00:36:24,005 --> 00:36:25,000 You actually have 867 00:36:25,005 --> 00:36:28,000 their own solar line called Solar Molex. 868 00:36:28,005 --> 00:36:31,000 The Brueder Koch are there at every step of the process. 869 00:36:31,005 --> 00:36:33,000 [Jeff] But they're the bad guys. 870 00:36:33,005 --> 00:36:35,000 Yes (laughs), the fun part is 871 00:36:35,005 --> 00:36:37,000 that if you criticize solar systems like this, 872 00:36:37,005 --> 00:36:39,000 You are accused of working for the Brueder Koch. 873 00:36:39,005 --> 00:36:40,000 (laugh) 874 00:36:40,005 --> 00:36:42,000 That is the idiocy in all of this. 875 00:36:42,005 --> 00:36:44,000 This absolutely cannot prolong the life of civilization. 876 00:36:44,005 --> 00:36:48,000 This is due to the most toxic and industrial processes 877 00:36:48,005 --> 00:36:52,000 that we have ever created. 878 00:36:52,005 --> 00:36:55,000 (Roll drum) 879 00:36:55,005 --> 00:36:58,000 (small triangle rings) 880 00:36:58,005 --> 00:37:06,000 (pulsating dramatic music) 881 00:37:06,005 --> 00:37:12,000 (Building music in intensity) 882 00:37:12,005 --> 00:37:26,000 (Tempo dramatic music) 883 00:37:26,005 --> 00:37:36,000 (Music building) 884 00:37:36,005 --> 00:39:04,000 (Music tempo increases) 885 00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:12,000 (Music ends dramatically) 886 00:39:12,005 --> 00:39:13,000 The beauty of a solar system, 887 00:39:13,005 --> 00:39:15,000 and especially this technology, 888 00:39:15,005 --> 00:39:19,000 is that it's so environmentally friendly. 889 00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:39,000 (Roar of large machines) 890 00:39:39,005 --> 00:39:40,000 [Jeff] I thought once too 891 00:39:40,005 --> 00:39:42,000 that deserts could be victim zones. 892 00:39:42,005 --> 00:39:45,000 (powerful drum-based music) 893 00:39:45,005 --> 00:39:46,000 I was wrong. 894 00:39:46,005 --> 00:39:48,000 Deserts are not dead. 895 00:39:48,005 --> 00:39:53,000 Indeed, they are full of ancient life. 896 00:39:53,005 --> 00:40:03,000 (powerful music) 897 00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:08,000 Joshua Tree stands in the desert and waits 898 00:40:08,005 --> 00:40:10,000 waiting for the giant ground sloths 899 00:40:10,005 --> 00:40:13,000 and the mammoths that will never return. 900 00:40:13,005 --> 00:40:17,000 The joshua tree depended on the giant mammals 901 00:40:17,005 --> 00:40:20,000 reaching up and eating their seeds, 902 00:40:20,005 --> 00:40:22,000 and thus to scatter the Joshua tree. 903 00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:25,000 (mystical vocal music) 904 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,000 But now, stranded in time and space, 905 00:40:29,005 --> 00:40:32,000 the Joshua tree awaits a new fate. 906 00:40:32,005 --> 00:40:34,000 To be sacrificed 907 00:40:34,005 --> 00:40:37,000 in the name of progress. 908 00:40:37,005 --> 00:40:40,000 Joshua trees are torn down to make way for solar projects. 909 00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:42,000 Cassie Carlisle from 23ABC travels 910 00:40:42,005 --> 00:40:45,000 in the Mojave desert to talk to neighbors. 911 00:40:45,005 --> 00:40:46,000 [Cassie] They're not your usual tree. 912 00:40:46,005 --> 00:40:48,000 More like something out of fiction, 913 00:40:48,005 --> 00:40:51,000 But these Joshuas are causing a stir. 914 00:40:51,005 --> 00:40:53,000 No, it makes me sick to clear them 915 00:40:53,005 --> 00:40:55,000 kill them very quickly 916 00:40:55,005 --> 00:40:56,000 Now grind them up 917 00:40:56,005 --> 00:40:59,000 to get rid of all the evidence. 918 00:40:59,005 --> 00:41:06,000 (powerful dramatic music) 919 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:09,000 [Jeff] Not far from Ivanpah Solar, 920 00:41:09,005 --> 00:41:10,000 Daggett, California was at home 921 00:41:10,005 --> 00:41:13,000 to several generations of solar systems. 922 00:41:13,005 --> 00:41:16,000 Including some of the first on the planet. 923 00:41:16,005 --> 00:41:20,000 (loud machines) 924 00:41:20,005 --> 00:41:22,000 Ozzie and I thought we were going on a trip 925 00:41:22,005 --> 00:41:28,000 to see where it all started. 926 00:41:28,005 --> 00:41:37,000 (Wind blows loudly) 927 00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:40,000 This is really one of the sunniest places on the planet. 928 00:41:40,005 --> 00:41:43,000 and it is the center of the solar industry 929 00:41:43,005 --> 00:41:45,000 and they built and dismantled plants here 930 00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:49,000 for about 40 years. 931 00:41:49,005 --> 00:41:50,000 (Male voice on loudspeaker) 932 00:41:50,005 --> 00:41:51,000 [Jeff] Then we ran randomly 933 00:41:51,005 --> 00:41:53,000 in the mayor of Daggett. 934 00:41:53,005 --> 00:41:55,000 And then the solar panels out there, my husband, 935 00:41:55,005 --> 00:42:00,000 back in, I would say '83, '84, they have there 936 00:42:00,005 --> 00:42:01,000 these solar systems built out there. 937 00:42:01,005 --> 00:42:02,000 Yes, the SEGS. 938 00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:04,000 and everyone here worked. 939 00:42:04,005 --> 00:42:05,000 How does that hold 940 00:42:05,005 --> 00:42:07,000 Are the jobs still there? 941 00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:07,000 No. 942 00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:09,000 Jobs said goodbye. 943 00:42:09,005 --> 00:42:11,000 They have their normal people running the facility 944 00:42:11,005 --> 00:42:13,000 Plant operator and the like, 945 00:42:13,005 --> 00:42:15,000 The big wigs, you know, they have. 946 00:42:15,005 --> 00:42:18,000 I don't know where this energy goes. 947 00:42:18,005 --> 00:42:20,000 [Jeff] Were you originally optimistic? 948 00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:22,000 that the sun would bring more jobs 949 00:42:22,005 --> 00:42:23,000 and development for people? 950 00:42:23,005 --> 00:42:24,000 Yes, we really meant it. We really meant it. 951 00:42:24,005 --> 00:42:27,000 Many things come into this city, they come and go. 952 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:28,000 They go very quickly. 953 00:42:28,005 --> 00:42:32,000 (loud wind blows) 954 00:42:32,005 --> 00:42:34,000 Do you see that? 955 00:42:34,005 --> 00:42:36,000 [Jeff] Then Ozzie and I discovered 956 00:42:36,005 --> 00:42:40,000 that the huge solar panels had been razed. 957 00:42:40,005 --> 00:42:42,000 Oh my God. 958 00:42:42,005 --> 00:42:43,000 (Wind roars) 959 00:42:43,005 --> 00:42:48,000 [Jeff] I mean that was huge. 960 00:42:48,005 --> 00:42:52,000 I suddenly realized what we saw. 961 00:42:52,005 --> 00:42:55,000 A solar death zone. 962 00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:57,000 Look at the blowing sand. 963 00:42:57,005 --> 00:42:58,000 Yes. 964 00:42:58,005 --> 00:42:59,000 There is sand everywhere 965 00:42:59,005 --> 00:43:01,000 Sand dunes form in this area. 966 00:43:01,005 --> 00:43:04,000 [Jeff] Wow. 967 00:43:04,005 --> 00:43:08,000 (Buzz of the solar factory) 968 00:43:08,005 --> 00:43:17,000 (festive music) 969 00:43:17,005 --> 00:43:20,000 So, after all the mining, 970 00:43:20,005 --> 00:43:22,000 the fossil fuels, 971 00:43:22,005 --> 00:43:24,000 the toxins, 972 00:43:24,005 --> 00:43:26,000 environmental degradation, 973 00:43:26,005 --> 00:43:28,000 Here's what happens next. 974 00:43:28,005 --> 00:43:30,000 (dark music) 975 00:43:30,005 --> 00:43:32,000 Just a few years after construction, 976 00:43:32,005 --> 00:43:37,000 things started to fall apart in Ivanpah. 977 00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:43,000 Broken mirrors lay in the desert. 978 00:43:43,005 --> 00:43:44,000 (Music intensifies) 979 00:43:44,005 --> 00:43:46,000 Yes, this huge solar energy 980 00:43:46,005 --> 00:43:49,000 and wind technology plants 981 00:43:49,005 --> 00:43:50,000 last only a few decades 982 00:43:50,005 --> 00:43:52,000 (dark music) 983 00:43:52,005 --> 00:43:55,000 then tear off and start over. 984 00:43:55,005 --> 00:43:59,000 (dark music) 985 00:43:59,005 --> 00:44:02,000 If there is enough planet left. 986 00:44:02,005 --> 00:44:06,000 (dark music) 987 00:44:06,005 --> 00:44:08,000 It became clear that 988 00:44:08,005 --> 00:44:12,000 What we called green, renewable energy 989 00:44:12,005 --> 00:44:17,000 and industrial civilization are one and the same. 990 00:44:17,005 --> 00:44:19,000 Desperate measures not to save the planet 991 00:44:19,005 --> 00:44:21,000 (Thunder cracks) 992 00:44:21,005 --> 00:44:23,000 but to save our way of life. 993 00:44:23,005 --> 00:44:26,000 (dark music) 994 00:44:26,005 --> 00:44:30,000 Desperate measures instead of facing reality 995 00:44:30,005 --> 00:44:34,000 people experience the limits of the planet 996 00:44:34,005 --> 00:44:36,000 all at the same time. 997 00:44:36,005 --> 00:44:39,000 every other perspective that I look at 998 00:44:39,005 --> 00:44:43,000 and imagine we could do more of that 999 00:44:43,005 --> 00:44:46,000 or go to a larger area, or use more of it. 1000 00:44:46,005 --> 00:44:48,000 Well, it turns out that there is no more. 1001 00:44:48,005 --> 00:44:51,000 I have looked at sea production and fish production 1002 00:44:51,005 --> 00:44:55,000 and found that the high point was 20 years ago. 1003 00:44:55,005 --> 00:45:00,000 We eat more and more from fish farming. 1004 00:45:00,005 --> 00:45:03,000 The current hectares of actively managed land, 1005 00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:05,000 that has also reached its peak. 1006 00:45:05,005 --> 00:45:08,000 The rivers are already drained 1007 00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:11,000 beyond the limits of what they can maintain. 1008 00:45:11,005 --> 00:45:15,000 The Colorado River no longer reaches the sea. 1009 00:45:15,005 --> 00:45:18,000 Well, then start looking at the groundwater. 1010 00:45:18,005 --> 00:45:20,000 the southern great plains, 1011 00:45:20,005 --> 00:45:23,000 and I think you can almost predict when the groundwater will run out 1012 00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:26,000 and it's in a decade or two. 1013 00:45:26,005 --> 00:45:27,000 (dark music) 1014 00:45:27,005 --> 00:45:31,000 Human vulnerabilities on a global scale, 1015 00:45:31,005 --> 00:45:35,000 that each of them we could possibly prevent 1016 00:45:35,005 --> 00:45:37,000 but we see them spread 1017 00:45:37,005 --> 00:45:43,000 cross-topic about society and the earth system. 1018 00:45:43,005 --> 00:45:46,000 And I don't think those responsible 1019 00:45:46,005 --> 00:45:54,000 are not nearly nervous enough. 1020 00:45:54,005 --> 00:45:54,000 [Jeff] Although everyone 1021 00:45:54,005 --> 00:45:56,000 of them takes climate change seriously, 1022 00:45:56,005 --> 00:45:59,000 Every expert I spoke to wanted 1023 00:45:59,005 --> 00:46:02,000 to draw my attention to the same underlying problem. 1024 00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:07,000 There are too many people who consume too much and too quickly. 1025 00:46:07,005 --> 00:46:09,000 As a global community, we really have 1026 00:46:09,005 --> 00:46:12,000 to deal with the topic of population. 1027 00:46:12,005 --> 00:46:15,000 The population growth continues, 1028 00:46:15,005 --> 00:46:18,000 not the elephant, but the herd of elephants in the room. 1029 00:46:18,005 --> 00:46:20,000 [Jeff] Can be a single species 1030 00:46:20,005 --> 00:46:21,000 that has come to rule an entire planet 1031 00:46:21,005 --> 00:46:26,000 be smart enough to voluntarily limit your own presence? 1032 00:46:26,005 --> 00:46:28,000 [Jeff] Is there a precedent in nature for that? 1033 00:46:28,005 --> 00:46:30,000 (laugh) 1034 00:46:30,005 --> 00:46:31,000 Impressive. 1035 00:46:31,005 --> 00:46:36,000 We have to limit our ability to consume. 1036 00:46:36,005 --> 00:46:39,000 Because we're not good at curtailing them 1037 00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:43,000 when there are seemingly unrestricted resources. 1038 00:46:43,005 --> 00:46:47,000 Species often hit the wall of the population and then crash. 1039 00:46:47,005 --> 00:46:49,000 I mean, that's a common story in biology. 1040 00:46:49,005 --> 00:46:51,000 If that happens to us in a way, 1041 00:46:51,005 --> 00:46:53,000 it’s the natural order of things. 1042 00:46:53,005 --> 00:46:57,000 And I don't think we'll find a way out here. 1043 00:46:57,005 --> 00:46:58,000 Not me. 1044 00:46:58,005 --> 00:46:59,000 [Jeff] As a scientist 1045 00:46:59,005 --> 00:47:01,000 What leads you to this conclusion? 1046 00:47:01,005 --> 00:47:05,000 Well, because right now a large percentage 1047 00:47:05,005 --> 00:47:09,000 of which is supported by industrial agriculture, 1048 00:47:09,005 --> 00:47:11,000 which is heavily subsidized by oil. 1049 00:47:11,005 --> 00:47:15,000 And it is not sustainable. 1050 00:47:15,005 --> 00:47:17,000 And there is no going back. 1051 00:47:17,005 --> 00:47:20,000 Without any wave of death in the population, 1052 00:47:20,005 --> 00:47:23,000 there is no going back. 1053 00:47:23,005 --> 00:47:24,000 [Jeff] what has nobody asked you about 1054 00:47:24,005 --> 00:47:25,000 that you want 1055 00:47:25,005 --> 00:47:27,000 (laugh) 1056 00:47:27,005 --> 00:47:30,000 Nobody ever asked me if I'm scared. 1057 00:47:30,005 --> 00:47:31,000 [Jeff] Yes. 1058 00:47:31,005 --> 00:47:32,000 and I have it. 1059 00:47:32,005 --> 00:47:33,000 I'm actually scared. 1060 00:47:33,005 --> 00:47:36,000 I lose sleep because of all of this. 1061 00:47:36,005 --> 00:47:42,000 (dark music) 1062 00:47:42,005 --> 00:47:44,000 [Jeff] Modern people needed tens of thousands 1063 00:47:44,005 --> 00:47:48,000 of years to reach a population of 700 million. 1064 00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:50,000 And then we have stored energy for millions of years 1065 00:47:50,005 --> 00:47:53,000 developed, known as fossil fuels. 1066 00:47:53,005 --> 00:47:56,000 Our human population exploded. 1067 00:47:56,005 --> 00:48:00,000 It has increased tenfold in just 200 years. 1068 00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:02,000 Our consumption has also exploded. 1069 00:48:02,005 --> 00:48:04,000 On average ten times per person, 1070 00:48:04,005 --> 00:48:08,000 and many times more in the western world. 1071 00:48:08,005 --> 00:48:10,000 You put the two together, 1072 00:48:10,005 --> 00:48:14,000 The result is a 100 times greater overall human impact 1073 00:48:14,005 --> 00:48:16,000 than 200 years ago. 1074 00:48:16,005 --> 00:48:18,000 (soft music) 1075 00:48:18,005 --> 00:48:25,000 And that's the most terrible knowledge I've ever had. 1076 00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:31,000 We humans face a fall from an unimaginable height. 1077 00:48:31,005 --> 00:48:33,000 Not because of one thing. 1078 00:48:33,005 --> 00:48:36,000 Not just climate change. 1079 00:48:36,005 --> 00:48:38,000 But all the man-made changes 1080 00:48:38,005 --> 00:48:41,000 from which the planet suffers. 1081 00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:43,000 (slow tempo music) 1082 00:48:43,005 --> 00:48:46,000 Why are bankers, industrialists? 1083 00:48:46,005 --> 00:48:48,000 and environmental leaders only on the narrow solution 1084 00:48:48,005 --> 00:48:52,000 of green technology concentrated? 1085 00:48:52,005 --> 00:48:55,000 Is it the profit motive? 1086 00:48:55,005 --> 00:48:58,000 And why am I, almost all my life 1087 00:48:58,005 --> 00:49:00,000 fell for the illusion that green energy would save us? 1088 00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:05,000 (Waves on the shore) 1089 00:49:05,005 --> 00:49:06,000 (squeaking door) 1090 00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:08,000 Sure, to answer this question 1091 00:49:08,005 --> 00:49:10,000 I needed professional help. 1092 00:49:10,005 --> 00:49:11,000 Keep my things. 1093 00:49:11,005 --> 00:49:13,000 No, I never heard ... 1094 00:49:13,005 --> 00:49:15,000 I'm just being honest with you about my dilemma. 1095 00:49:15,005 --> 00:49:20,000 You can be my clinical social psych (laughs) 1096 00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:23,000 It's like the right has a religion. 1097 00:49:23,005 --> 00:49:26,000 And they believe in infinite fossil fuels. 1098 00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:30,000 Our side says, "Oh, everything will be fine, 1099 00:49:30,005 --> 00:49:31,000 we will have solar panels. 1100 00:49:31,005 --> 00:49:33,000 we'll have wind towers. " 1101 00:49:33,005 --> 00:49:35,000 As soon as I heard you talk about our denial of dea 1102 00:49:35,005 --> 00:49:37,000 I was like, "Could it be? 1103 00:49:37,005 --> 00:49:39,000 Could it be that we cannot face our own mortality? 1104 00:49:39,005 --> 00:49:40,000 absolutely. 1105 00:49:40,005 --> 00:49:43,000 Could we have a religion without realizing it? " 1106 00:49:43,005 --> 00:49:47,000 I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. 1107 00:49:47,005 --> 00:49:50,000 What distinguishes people from all other forms 1108 00:49:50,005 --> 00:49:53,000 of life that is, we are not just here 1109 00:49:53,005 --> 00:49:55,000 but that we know we are here. 1110 00:49:55,005 --> 00:49:59,000 If you know that you are here, you will recognize 1111 00:49:59,005 --> 00:50:02,000 at least weak that one day you won't be here. 1112 00:50:02,005 --> 00:50:05,000 And on top of that, we don't like that we're animals. 1113 00:50:05,005 --> 00:50:08,000 So, we don't like that one day we'll die. 1114 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,000 We don't like that you can go outside 1115 00:50:10,005 --> 00:50:12,000 and be hit by a damn meteor. 1116 00:50:12,005 --> 00:50:14,000 What people have done in the past 1117 00:50:14,005 --> 00:50:17,000 is to envelop us 1118 00:50:17,005 --> 00:50:19,000 in culturally constructive belief systems. 1119 00:50:19,005 --> 00:50:21,000 Call them cultures 1120 00:50:21,005 --> 00:50:25,000 Let us call them worldviews, schemes of things. 1121 00:50:25,005 --> 00:50:29,000 Whatever you call them, every human community has them. 1122 00:50:29,005 --> 00:50:33,000 Every culture has a view of the origin of the universe. 1123 00:50:33,005 --> 00:50:35,000 Every culture has a recipe 1124 00:50:35,005 --> 00:50:36,000 for how to behave while you are here. 1125 00:50:36,005 --> 00:50:40,000 And every culture offers its inhabitants hope for immortality. 1126 00:50:40,005 --> 00:50:44,000 either literally or symbolically. 1127 00:50:44,005 --> 00:50:47,000 Then the question is what happens when you 1128 00:50:47,005 --> 00:50:51,000 encounter people who do not share these beliefs? 1129 00:50:51,005 --> 00:50:54,000 Whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not, 1130 00:50:54,005 --> 00:50:56,000 but that undermines trust 1131 00:50:56,005 --> 00:50:59,000 that you allow your own views. 1132 00:50:59,005 --> 00:51:02,000 And expose you to fear 1133 00:51:02,005 --> 00:51:04,000 for which these beliefs were constructed 1134 00:51:04,005 --> 00:51:06,000 primarily to destroy them. 1135 00:51:06,005 --> 00:51:09,000 If we want to make progress, whatever that word means, 1136 00:51:09,005 --> 00:51:12,000 or even to exist as a form of life, we will 1137 00:51:12,005 --> 00:51:18,000 need to radically revise our basic concepts, 1138 00:51:18,005 --> 00:51:23,000 of who and what we are and what we appreciate. 1139 00:51:23,005 --> 00:51:26,000 Because the people you used to refer to 1140 00:51:26,005 --> 00:51:29,000 both left and right 1141 00:51:29,005 --> 00:51:35,000 who think we will be able to discover more oil. 1142 00:51:35,005 --> 00:51:40,000 Or solar paneling us into the future, 1143 00:51:40,005 --> 00:51:43,000 where life will look like now 1144 00:51:43,005 --> 00:51:45,000 you know, just cleaner or better. 1145 00:51:45,005 --> 00:51:47,000 [Jeff] Either with more oil or greener oil. 1146 00:51:47,005 --> 00:51:48,000 Or both. 1147 00:51:48,005 --> 00:51:51,000 I think it's just a delusion. 1148 00:51:51,005 --> 00:51:54,000 What I hear is when I am not 1149 00:51:54,005 --> 00:51:58,000 found my own concern for life and death, 1150 00:51:58,005 --> 00:52:02,000 and faced with a reminder that I most likely 1151 00:52:02,005 --> 00:52:07,000 make some tragic decisions for the community. 1152 00:52:07,005 --> 00:52:08,000 Yes. 1153 00:52:08,005 --> 00:52:14,000 The only solution in principle is, as Albert Camus put it, 1154 00:52:14,005 --> 00:52:17,000 He said:"There is only one freedom to deal with dea 1155 00:52:17,005 --> 00:52:21,000 after that everything is possible. 1156 00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:25,000 I find that almost inspiring. 1157 00:52:25,005 --> 00:52:27,000 [Jeff] As for our environmental leaders, 1158 00:52:27,005 --> 00:52:29,000 which linger in comfortable illusions 1159 00:52:29,005 --> 00:52:34,000 How tragic were decisions they could make? 1160 00:52:34,005 --> 00:52:38,000 I wanted to find out. 1161 00:52:38,005 --> 00:52:49,000 (Buzz of machines) 1162 00:52:49,005 --> 00:52:51,000 (Leaves crunch) 1163 00:52:51,005 --> 00:52:54,000 [Josh] They claim that they only use forest remains, 1164 00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:57,000 but actually a lot of what the McNeil facility, 1165 00:52:57,005 --> 00:53:00,000 and many biomass facilities burn are whole trees. 1166 00:53:00,005 --> 00:53:02,000 As you can see from this stack that is properly stacked 1167 00:53:02,005 --> 00:53:06,000 These are trees outside the facility. 1168 00:53:06,005 --> 00:53:08,000 [Jeff] It turns out to be the greatest source 1169 00:53:08,005 --> 00:53:13,000 of green energy in Vermont is something called biomass. 1170 00:53:13,005 --> 00:53:16,000 Burn trees to generate electricity. 1171 00:53:16,005 --> 00:53:18,000 This is definitely not the way to go. 1172 00:53:18,005 --> 00:53:21,000 The first step is actually to look at our lifestyle. 1173 00:53:21,005 --> 00:53:25,000 how we can reduce our energy consumption. 1174 00:53:25,005 --> 00:53:30,000 This is all the ashes that contain different amounts of toxic metals. 1175 00:53:30,005 --> 00:53:32,000 a lot of radiation 1176 00:53:32,005 --> 00:53:33,000 because these trees have absorbed ... 1177 00:53:33,005 --> 00:53:35,000 Oops, there is the ... 1178 00:53:35,005 --> 00:53:38,000 (Machine hums) 1179 00:53:38,005 --> 00:53:40,000 You are in a prohibited area there. 1180 00:53:40,005 --> 00:53:41,000 [Jeff] Are we? 1181 00:53:41,005 --> 00:53:44,000 May I ask you both to come to our office, okay. 1182 00:53:44,005 --> 00:53:45,000 [Josh] Is that something you're interested in? 1183 00:53:45,005 --> 00:53:47,000 It's no interest, you have five seconds 1184 00:53:47,005 --> 00:53:49,000 or I call 911. 1185 00:53:49,005 --> 00:53:49,000 [Jeff] Okay. 1186 00:53:49,005 --> 00:53:53,000 [Security guard] We have two people here 1187 00:53:53,005 --> 00:53:54,000 (loud grating steps) 1188 00:53:54,005 --> 00:53:56,000 The police will be down here in about two minutes. 1189 00:53:56,005 --> 00:53:57,000 [Josh] You asked us to go and we do it. 1190 00:53:57,005 --> 00:53:59,000 [Security guard] I'm not asking you to go. 1191 00:53:59,005 --> 00:54:01,000 I ask you to come to the office. 1192 00:54:01,005 --> 00:54:02,000 [Josh] Okay, thanks for the offer. 1193 00:54:02,005 --> 00:54:04,000 Maybe next time. 1194 00:54:04,005 --> 00:54:06,000 (electronic beep) 1195 00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:07,000 (Machine hums) 1196 00:54:07,005 --> 00:54:09,000 You have everything here. 1197 00:54:09,005 --> 00:54:12,000 You have the number one polluter in the state 1198 00:54:12,005 --> 00:54:14,000 what people think and it's magical fairy dust 1199 00:54:14,005 --> 00:54:16,000 from the chimney. 1200 00:54:16,005 --> 00:54:18,000 Reality is what you have is an institution 1201 00:54:18,005 --> 00:54:22,000 that burns 400,000 green tons of trees a year. 1202 00:54:22,005 --> 00:54:25,000 This plant burns 110 m3 per hour. 1203 00:54:25,005 --> 00:54:26,000 [Jeff] That's a hell of a lot of wood. 1204 00:54:26,005 --> 00:54:27,000 [Josh] And on top of that, 1205 00:54:27,005 --> 00:54:30,000 it actually burns natural gas. 1206 00:54:30,005 --> 00:54:31,000 [Jeff] And to think you have to have 10 of them 1207 00:54:31,005 --> 00:54:35,000 as a replacement for an average coal-fired power plant. 1208 00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:36,000 It just won't work. 1209 00:54:36,005 --> 00:54:37,000 It's just crazy. 1210 00:54:37,005 --> 00:54:39,000 It takes a lot of fossil fuels 1211 00:54:39,005 --> 00:54:42,000 to cut down all these trees 1212 00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:44,000 to invite them to use the big machines 1213 00:54:44,005 --> 00:54:46,000 to dump the wood chips everywhere. 1214 00:54:46,005 --> 00:54:48,000 So the idea that somehow that doesn't do anything 1215 00:54:48,005 --> 00:54:51,000 with fossil fuels just doesn't make sense. 1216 00:54:51,005 --> 00:54:53,000 This would not be possible without fossil fuels. 1217 00:54:53,005 --> 00:54:55,000 [Jeff] How were the environmental groups 1218 00:54:55,005 --> 00:54:56,000 drawn in? 1219 00:54:56,005 --> 00:54:59,000 Obviously, the main factor is deception. 1220 00:54:59,005 --> 00:55:01,000 Many of these environmental groups claim that 1221 00:55:01,005 --> 00:55:03,000 for example, all we have to do is 1222 00:55:03,005 --> 00:55:06,000 our fossil fuel economy 1223 00:55:06,005 --> 00:55:08,000 to switch to a few solar panels and windmills, 1224 00:55:08,005 --> 00:55:11,000 and we can continue our life as usual. 1225 00:55:11,005 --> 00:55:13,000 Some of the environmental groups have 1226 00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:17,000 advertised such facilities for years and say 1227 00:55:17,005 --> 00:55:21,000 Number one, it's carbon neutral, 1228 00:55:21,005 --> 00:55:24,000 and that this will actually help us ward off climate change 1229 00:55:24,005 --> 00:55:27,000 because there are no CO2 emissions. 1230 00:55:27,005 --> 00:55:30,000 It actually emits over 400 thousand tons 1231 00:55:30,005 --> 00:55:32,000 carbon dioxide per year. 1232 00:55:32,005 --> 00:55:35,000 Oh, but if we graft them on, they'll grow back. 1233 00:55:35,005 --> 00:55:38,000 and will grow back over a period of decades to centuries. 1234 00:55:38,005 --> 00:55:40,000 If we felled every tree in the United States 1235 00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:43,000 it could supply the country with electricity for a year. 1236 00:55:43,005 --> 00:55:49,000 What happens when these trees have disappeared? 1237 00:55:49,005 --> 00:55:53,000 (Wind blows) 1238 00:55:53,005 --> 00:55:54,000 [Jeff] I discovered that biomass plants 1239 00:55:54,005 --> 00:55:58,000 were not always biomass plants. 1240 00:55:58,005 --> 00:56:00,000 It is actually a waste incineration plant 1241 00:56:00,005 --> 00:56:02,000 which is represented as a biomass plant. 1242 00:56:02,005 --> 00:56:06,000 The impact in this community is serious. 1243 00:56:06,005 --> 00:56:11,000 The facility is located right next to the Head Start School 1244 00:56:11,005 --> 00:56:13,000 for preschool children. 1245 00:56:13,005 --> 00:56:14,000 There is Green Hill Manor and 1246 00:56:14,005 --> 00:56:18,000 this is a supervised senior residence. 1247 00:56:18,005 --> 00:56:22,000 And there is also a Catholic elementary school 1248 00:56:22,005 --> 00:56:24,000 next door. 1249 00:56:24,005 --> 00:56:26,000 [Jeff] How do you know they're polluting? 1250 00:56:26,005 --> 00:56:26,000 Can you ever see it 1251 00:56:26,005 --> 00:56:27,000 We can see it. 1252 00:56:27,005 --> 00:56:30,000 The snow in elementary school 1253 00:56:30,005 --> 00:56:35,000 and in preschool is covered with black, 1254 00:56:35,005 --> 00:56:36,000 a kind of black soot. 1255 00:56:36,005 --> 00:56:38,000 We just had it analyzed 1256 00:56:38,005 --> 00:56:44,000 and it came back mostly as tire chips. 1257 00:56:44,005 --> 00:56:47,000 You have to add processed fuel from tire 1258 00:56:47,005 --> 00:56:49,000 to raise the temperature of the fire 1259 00:56:49,005 --> 00:56:52,000 because anyone who has tried to burn green or wet wood 1260 00:56:52,005 --> 00:56:56,000 knows that it doesn't burn very well. 1261 00:56:56,005 --> 00:56:57,000 [Jeff] But this biomass plant had ... 1262 00:56:57,005 --> 00:57:00,000 another surprise. 1263 00:57:00,005 --> 00:57:03,000 They admit that they are 20.1 tons per hour 1264 00:57:03,005 --> 00:57:06,000 burn with cresol treated railway sleepers. 1265 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:11,000 They are also allowed to pay £ 500 an hour 1266 00:57:11,005 --> 00:57:15,000 PCP treated railway sleepers burn. 1267 00:57:15,005 --> 00:57:18,000 These will be shipped from Canada. 1268 00:57:18,005 --> 00:57:22,000 It's not green, it's not renewable, it's not carbon neutral, 1269 00:57:22,005 --> 00:57:24,000 It is not what they claim. 1270 00:57:24,005 --> 00:57:28,000 Still, they received a $ 11.5 million grant 1271 00:57:28,005 --> 00:57:31,000 because it was classified as renewable. 1272 00:57:31,005 --> 00:57:33,000 The plant owner told us 1273 00:57:33,005 --> 00:57:38,000 that they had problems getting enough wood shavings. 1274 00:57:38,005 --> 00:57:41,000 And he even asked us if we had old wood 1275 00:57:41,005 --> 00:57:44,000 where we lived and whether we would call the facility 1276 00:57:44,005 --> 00:57:47,000 to let them know so they could come and pick it up. 1277 00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:48,000 [Jeff] We don't talk 1278 00:57:48,005 --> 00:57:50,000 over an old industrial area, 1279 00:57:50,005 --> 00:57:52,000 We are next to one of the most beautiful places in the world. 1280 00:57:52,005 --> 00:57:55,000 We are next to Lake Superior. This is Keweenaw B ... 1281 00:57:55,005 --> 00:57:59,000 This is actually L'Anse Bay, it is part of Keweenaw Bay. 1282 00:57:59,005 --> 00:58:05,000 It is Lake Superior, our lake. (Voice breaks) 1283 00:58:05,005 --> 00:58:12,000 Therefore it is a very sacred place for many people. 1284 00:58:12,005 --> 00:58:13,000 (Horse feet rattle) 1285 00:58:13,005 --> 00:58:15,000 Are you with the news 1286 00:58:15,005 --> 00:58:16,000 [Jeff] No it should 1287 00:58:16,005 --> 00:58:17,000 a climate change rally is taking place. 1288 00:58:17,005 --> 00:58:18,000 Oh. 1289 00:58:18,005 --> 00:58:22,000 (Group singing) 1290 00:58:22,005 --> 00:58:25,000 [Jeff] Michigan State University students, 1291 00:58:25,005 --> 00:58:28,000 Inspired by 350.org, they held a rally 1292 00:58:28,005 --> 00:58:31,000 for the clean energy future that was promised to them. 1293 00:58:31,005 --> 00:58:36,000 (Crowd screams and cheers) 1294 00:58:36,005 --> 00:58:37,000 Imagine when I found out 1295 00:58:37,005 --> 00:58:41,000 that it is the largest oncampus coal-fired power station in the nation. 1296 00:58:41,005 --> 00:58:44,000 The goal is to get the whole world moving 1297 00:58:44,005 --> 00:58:45,000 beyond fossil fuels. 1298 00:58:45,005 --> 00:58:47,000 (Crowd cheers and claps) 1299 00:58:47,005 --> 00:58:51,000 [Student] Who wants to make a 350 sign on the steps? " 1300 00:58:51,005 --> 00:58:53,000 [Jeff] But it turned out that the state of Michigan was sort of 1301 00:58:53,005 --> 00:58:58,000 of green energy that the students did not support. 1302 00:58:58,005 --> 00:58:59,000 The university has signed a contract 1303 00:58:59,005 --> 00:59:02,000 with an energy company. 1304 00:59:02,005 --> 00:59:04,000 You put together a modeling tool. 1305 00:59:04,005 --> 00:59:05,000 The first two or three months 1306 00:59:05,005 --> 00:59:08,000 that the steering committee used this modeling tool 1307 00:59:08,005 --> 00:59:11,000 it didn't even contain data for wind or sun. 1308 00:59:11,005 --> 00:59:12,000 So there was (voice fades) 1309 00:59:12,005 --> 00:59:13,000 [Jeff] Adam told me they were going to do it 1310 00:59:13,005 --> 00:59:16,000 Replacing coal burning with biomass burning. 1311 00:59:16,005 --> 00:59:18,000 But the permit that is currently being examined 1312 00:59:18,005 --> 00:59:24,000 is a state approval for 24,000 tons of biomass, 1313 00:59:24,005 --> 00:59:25,000 I think every year. 1314 00:59:25,005 --> 00:59:28,000 And that is planned in all four boilers. 1315 00:59:28,005 --> 00:59:30,000 Unfortunately the steering committee takes into account 1316 00:59:30,005 --> 00:59:32,000 Biomass is currently renewable. 1317 00:59:32,005 --> 00:59:35,000 Which we are not satisfied with. 1318 00:59:35,005 --> 00:59:36,000 (Students laugh) 1319 00:59:36,005 --> 00:59:38,000 [Jeff] Michigan State wasn't the only university 1320 00:59:38,005 --> 00:59:41,000 which has turned green. 1321 00:59:41,005 --> 00:59:43,000 I am happy to inform you that Carolina 1322 00:59:43,005 --> 00:59:46,000 going beyond coal in the next decade. 1323 00:59:46,005 --> 00:59:50,000 Now that we're starting to wean ourselves off coal, we're roughly 1324 00:59:50,005 --> 00:59:54,000 turn to try another alternative energy source, biomass. 1325 00:59:54,005 --> 00:59:55,000 [Jeff] And who was here 1326 00:59:55,005 --> 00:59:57,000 to help the University of North Carolina switch, 1327 00:59:57,005 --> 01:00:01,000 from burning coal to burning trees? 1328 01:00:01,005 --> 01:00:03,000 It is a great pleasure for me to be here today 1329 01:00:03,005 --> 01:00:05,000 to celebrate the remarkable step 1330 01:00:05,005 --> 01:00:07,000 that the university is going to say: 1331 01:00:07,005 --> 01:00:09,000 we will do our part. 1332 01:00:09,005 --> 01:00:10,000 (festive music) 1333 01:00:10,005 --> 01:00:13,000 [Jeff] A remarkable step. 1334 01:00:13,005 --> 01:00:15,000 We should do our part by: 1335 01:00:15,005 --> 01:00:17,000 get off bed with coal company 1336 01:00:17,005 --> 01:00:22,000 and to bed with timber companies? 1337 01:00:22,005 --> 01:00:24,000 Where did the idea come from anyway that colleges 1338 01:00:24,005 --> 01:00:27,000 green by burning trees? 1339 01:00:27,005 --> 01:00:32,000 A small college called Middlebury in the heart of Vermont. 1340 01:00:32,005 --> 01:00:34,000 Welcome to the celebration of the opening 1341 01:00:34,005 --> 01:00:38,000 of the new Middlebury biomass gasification system. 1342 01:00:38,005 --> 01:00:40,000 It is a great pleasure for me now, you 1343 01:00:40,005 --> 01:00:43,000 this afternoon's speaker to introduce Bill McKibben. 1344 01:00:43,005 --> 01:00:44,000 (Audience claps) 1345 01:00:44,005 --> 01:00:47,000 What drives a learning community? 1346 01:00:47,005 --> 01:00:50,000 And from this afternoon the simple answer 1347 01:00:50,005 --> 01:00:53,000 with it is wood chips. 1348 01:00:53,005 --> 01:00:56,000 It is incredibly nice to stand there 1349 01:00:56,005 --> 01:00:59,000 and look at this big bunker full of wood shavings. 1350 01:00:59,005 --> 01:01:02,000 You can use any kind of wood, oak, willow, 1351 01:01:02,005 --> 01:01:03,000 whatever you want. 1352 01:01:03,005 --> 01:01:06,000 We can throw pretty much anything that burns in there 1353 01:01:06,005 --> 01:01:08,000 if we can reduce it to the right size. 1354 01:01:08,005 --> 01:01:10,000 And there are very few similar cases anywhere 1355 01:01:10,005 --> 01:01:14,000 in this country with this kind of change on this scale. 1356 01:01:14,005 --> 01:01:15,000 But it shows that it can happen anywhere 1357 01:01:15,005 --> 01:01:17,000 and it should happen everywhere. 1358 01:01:17,005 --> 01:01:21,000 In fact, it has to happen everywhere. 1359 01:01:21,005 --> 01:01:24,000 [Jeff] It has to happen everywhere. 1360 01:01:24,005 --> 01:01:26,000 (dramatic piano music) 1361 01:01:26,005 --> 01:01:28,000 And now it's time for a nature break. 1362 01:01:28,005 --> 01:01:31,000 Enjoy our sustainably managed forests in Michigan. 1363 01:01:31,005 --> 01:01:32,000 (classical piano music) 1364 01:01:32,005 --> 01:01:34,000 If you go through and look here 1365 01:01:34,005 --> 01:01:36,000 Practically nothing grows. 1366 01:01:36,005 --> 01:01:39,000 Occasionally a bit of grass. 1367 01:01:39,005 --> 01:01:40,000 (increasing classical music) 1368 01:01:40,005 --> 01:01:42,000 [Jeff] And it seemed that biomass plants actually did 1369 01:01:42,005 --> 01:01:44,000 were suddenly everywhere, 1370 01:01:44,005 --> 01:01:47,000 like this one in Cadillac, Michigan. 1371 01:01:47,005 --> 01:01:49,000 (Truck engine rumbles) 1372 01:01:49,005 --> 01:01:51,000 A waste incineration plant in Detroit 1373 01:01:51,005 --> 01:01:53,000 was considered green. 1374 01:01:53,005 --> 01:01:55,000 (classical piano music) 1375 01:01:55,005 --> 01:01:58,000 The Detroit incinerator is known to emit terrible smells 1376 01:01:58,005 --> 01:02:00,000 and pollutants that neighbors say they feel sick 1377 01:02:00,005 --> 01:02:02,000 and their health is at risk. 1378 01:02:02,005 --> 01:02:05,000 It is a stench, it is a terrible stench. 1379 01:02:05,005 --> 01:02:06,000 [Jeff] A proposed biofuel plant 1380 01:02:06,005 --> 01:02:09,000 would be trees for the upper peninsula of Michigan 1381 01:02:09,005 --> 01:02:12,000 of tens of thousands of square miles. 1382 01:02:12,005 --> 01:02:15,000 To produce 40 million gallons of ethanol 1383 01:02:15,005 --> 01:02:17,000 they will be over a million tons 1384 01:02:17,005 --> 01:02:19,000 green wood must be used. 1385 01:02:19,005 --> 01:02:21,000 We indicated that they would use more natural gas 1386 01:02:21,005 --> 01:02:24,000 when they were going to produce ethanol 1387 01:02:24,005 --> 01:02:25,000 to displace the natural gas. 1388 01:02:25,005 --> 01:02:27,000 If you keep doing this, 1389 01:02:27,005 --> 01:02:29,000 You will fertilize the forest. 1390 01:02:29,005 --> 01:02:31,000 [Jeff] Forests fertilize? 1391 01:02:31,005 --> 01:02:32,000 Fossil fuels? 1392 01:02:32,005 --> 01:02:33,000 Fertilizer based on fossil fuels. 1393 01:02:33,005 --> 01:02:34,000 [Jeff] Made from natural gas? 1394 01:02:34,005 --> 01:02:35,000 Yes. 1395 01:02:35,005 --> 01:02:36,000 (frenzied piano music) 1396 01:02:36,005 --> 01:02:37,000 [Jeff] Then came an election proposal supported 1397 01:02:37,005 --> 01:02:41,000 by Bill McKibben and almost every large environmental group, 1398 01:02:41,005 --> 01:02:45,000 Michigan has to draw 25% of its electricity 1399 01:02:45,005 --> 01:02:48,000 from renewable sources by 2025. 1400 01:02:48,005 --> 01:02:51,000 [News] This year Michigan voters have a choice: 1401 01:02:51,005 --> 01:02:54,000 Keep burning dirty coal and oil, or move Michigan 1402 01:02:54,005 --> 01:02:57,000 to clean, renewable energies like wind and sun. 1403 01:02:57,005 --> 01:02:59,000 Vote yes to proposal three. 1404 01:02:59,005 --> 01:03:01,000 [Jeff] surprisingly proposal three, 1405 01:03:01,005 --> 01:03:06,000 also known as 25 by 25, the brainchild 1406 01:03:06,005 --> 01:03:11,000 was an organization that is 100% biofuels and biomass. 1407 01:03:11,005 --> 01:03:13,000 It allows America's agriculture, ranches, and forest areas 1408 01:03:13,005 --> 01:03:16,000 as an active participant in the contribution 1409 01:03:16,005 --> 01:03:18,000 to be America's energy future. 1410 01:03:18,005 --> 01:03:19,000 [Jeff] These are the biomass 1411 01:03:19,005 --> 01:03:22,000 and biofuel plants in the United States 1412 01:03:22,005 --> 01:03:28,000 (to pop) 1413 01:03:28,005 --> 01:03:31,000 How did it happen? 1414 01:03:31,005 --> 01:03:32,000 And it wasn't just the United States. 1415 01:03:32,005 --> 01:03:35,000 It was all over the world. 1416 01:03:35,005 --> 01:03:39,000 Wood chips, which is just a euphemism for trees, 1417 01:03:39,005 --> 01:03:42,000 are exported from America to Europe, 1418 01:03:42,005 --> 01:03:46,000 British Columbia, Brazil and Indonesia. 1419 01:03:46,005 --> 01:03:48,000 wherever you can get them. 1420 01:03:48,005 --> 01:03:49,000 (classical piano music) 1421 01:03:49,005 --> 01:03:52,000 Biomass, especially if you add biofuels, 1422 01:03:52,005 --> 01:03:56,000 is by far the largest part of green energy 1423 01:03:56,005 --> 01:03:58,000 all over the world, also in Germany, 1424 01:03:58,005 --> 01:04:01,000 Source of the sun miracle. 1425 01:04:01,005 --> 01:04:03,000 (classical piano music) 1426 01:04:03,005 --> 01:04:06,000 But maybe I was missing something. 1427 01:04:06,005 --> 01:04:07,000 Maybe I was wrong. 1428 01:04:07,005 --> 01:04:09,000 (Female voice on speaker) 1429 01:04:09,005 --> 01:04:12,000 I decided to ask people who are protesting against fossil fuels 1430 01:04:12,005 --> 01:04:16,000 how they perceived biomass and biofuels as green energy. 1431 01:04:16,005 --> 01:04:18,000 Would you say we don't need biofuels? 1432 01:04:18,005 --> 01:04:20,000 and food and forests for energy? 1433 01:04:20,005 --> 01:04:21,000 no, no, definitely not. 1434 01:04:21,005 --> 01:04:23,000 Of course not, of course not. 1435 01:04:23,005 --> 01:04:25,000 Burning biomass, any kind of combustion, 1436 01:04:25,005 --> 01:04:28,000 is something we just have to move away from. 1437 01:04:28,005 --> 01:04:29,000 The more trees we have, the better. 1438 01:04:29,005 --> 01:04:30,000 Much of it didn't grow overnight. 1439 01:04:30,005 --> 01:04:32,000 If we reduce it, we don't know how it works. 1440 01:04:32,005 --> 01:04:33,000 [Jeff] You are here as an oak tree? 1441 01:04:33,005 --> 01:04:34,000 Yes. 1442 01:04:34,005 --> 01:04:35,000 If I had a chainsaw 1443 01:04:35,005 --> 01:04:36,000 that wouldn't save the planet, would it? 1444 01:04:36,005 --> 01:04:37,000 No, it's painful. 1445 01:04:37,005 --> 01:04:38,000 It is a painful way. 1446 01:04:38,005 --> 01:04:39,000 I can tell you that now. 1447 01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:41,000 [Jeff] It would take a while for you to grow back. 1448 01:04:41,005 --> 01:04:42,000 (laugh) 1449 01:04:42,005 --> 01:04:43,000 Yes, oh yes. 1450 01:04:43,005 --> 01:04:45,000 But I wouldn't be, it would be a child. 1451 01:04:45,005 --> 01:04:48,000 With so many people doing it on such a large scale, 1452 01:04:48,005 --> 01:04:52,000 suddenly it's pretty serious. 1453 01:04:52,005 --> 01:04:54,000 No, I don't think we should burn trees. 1454 01:04:54,005 --> 01:04:56,000 [Group] No, no. 1455 01:04:56,005 --> 01:04:57,000 Why should we cut down trees? 1456 01:04:57,005 --> 01:05:00,000 We shouldn't replace a terrible way to get energy 1457 01:05:00,005 --> 01:05:02,000 with another terrible way to get energy. 1458 01:05:02,005 --> 01:05:03,000 Because it's one thing. 1459 01:05:03,005 --> 01:05:04,000 (Girl's voice fades) 1460 01:05:04,005 --> 01:05:07,000 [Jeff] Obviously most citizens are against it 1461 01:05:07,005 --> 01:05:08,000 on biomass and biofuels. 1462 01:05:08,005 --> 01:05:10,000 (soothing guitar music) 1463 01:05:10,005 --> 01:05:13,000 But what about environmental leaders? 1464 01:05:13,005 --> 01:05:18,000 Sometimes they produced biomass, but sometimes, 1465 01:05:18,005 --> 01:05:21,000 sound as if you were against biomass. 1466 01:05:21,005 --> 01:05:23,000 Like this Sierra Club policy, 1467 01:05:23,005 --> 01:05:25,000 We are deeply concerned about the effects 1468 01:05:25,005 --> 01:05:29,000 of wood energy for indigenous forests. 1469 01:05:29,005 --> 01:05:32,000 Or signed this statement from 75 environmental groups, 1470 01:05:32,005 --> 01:05:35,000 that burning forests for energy is one 1471 01:05:35,005 --> 01:05:38,000 destroy our best defenses against climate change. 1472 01:05:38,005 --> 01:05:41,000 On the other hand, their language leaves gaps 1473 01:05:41,005 --> 01:05:43,000 the biomass enables. 1474 01:05:43,005 --> 01:05:48,000 The NRDC says you need to use the "right types of biomass". 1475 01:05:48,005 --> 01:05:50,000 The Dogwood Alliance says 1476 01:05:50,005 --> 01:05:54,000 Maybe small biomass plants are fine. 1477 01:05:54,005 --> 01:05:55,000 And the Sierra Club says with high pressure: 1478 01:05:55,005 --> 01:05:58,000 Biomass can be sustainable. 1479 01:05:58,005 --> 01:06:00,000 (thoughtful guitar music) 1480 01:06:00,005 --> 01:06:03,000 Which side are they really on? 1481 01:06:03,005 --> 01:06:05,000 I sure thought when the camera rolls, 1482 01:06:05,005 --> 01:06:07,000 Environmental leaders would speak for the trees. 1483 01:06:07,005 --> 01:06:10,000 [Group] Not at all. 1484 01:06:10,005 --> 01:06:14,000 Where's the science, where's the science? 1485 01:06:14,005 --> 01:06:18,000 We are here to tell a story about what 1486 01:06:18,005 --> 01:06:22,000 the forests of this state, our communities, mean us. 1487 01:06:22,005 --> 01:06:24,000 [Jeff] Does your organization have an attitude to this? 1488 01:06:24,005 --> 01:06:27,000 I am not sure if I would say that we support it as well 1489 01:06:27,005 --> 01:06:29,000 that we can wrap our heads around it. 1490 01:06:29,005 --> 01:06:32,000 We have almost made peace with the timber industry. 1491 01:06:32,005 --> 01:06:34,000 [Jeff] I'm just curious, what's your group attitude? 1492 01:06:34,005 --> 01:06:37,000 on the use of forests for biomass? 1493 01:06:37,005 --> 01:06:42,000 Biomass is renewable, biomass is sustainable. 1494 01:06:42,005 --> 01:06:47,000 And I'm at Clean Water Action, 1495 01:06:47,005 --> 01:06:49,000 We don't really have a point of view on this. 1496 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,000 If the director of the Sierra Club were here 1497 01:06:51,005 --> 01:06:55,000 you would be able to chew your ear over it. 1498 01:06:55,005 --> 01:06:59,000 I am the director of the Sierra Club in Pennsylvania. 1499 01:06:59,005 --> 01:07:00,000 [Jeff] Supports the Sierra Club 1500 01:07:00,005 --> 01:07:05,000 Biomass or not? 1501 01:07:05,005 --> 01:07:06,000 I am not quite ready to date 1502 01:07:06,005 --> 01:07:08,000 to talk about our current position in relation to biomass. 1503 01:07:08,005 --> 01:07:10,000 Our position is somewhat nuanced 1504 01:07:10,005 --> 01:07:14,000 so I just want to be careful not to ... 1505 01:07:14,005 --> 01:07:16,000 (Crowd talks) 1506 01:07:16,005 --> 01:07:17,000 [Jeff] So you're at 350? 1507 01:07:17,005 --> 01:07:18,000 I am. 1508 01:07:18,005 --> 01:07:20,000 350 have a position on biomass 1509 01:07:20,005 --> 01:07:21,000 because I'm actually somehow ... 1510 01:07:21,005 --> 01:07:23,000 I can't really speak for 350. 1511 01:07:23,005 --> 01:07:25,000 Do you personally have an opinion 1512 01:07:25,005 --> 01:07:28,000 should we burn green trees for green energy? 1513 01:07:28,005 --> 01:07:31,000 No, I have no opinion on this. 1514 01:07:31,005 --> 01:07:33,000 I like a fire. (laugh) 1515 01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:34,000 [Jeff] One of my biggest concerns as an environmentalist 1516 01:07:34,005 --> 01:07:36,000 is we we try to burn trees 1517 01:07:36,005 --> 01:07:38,000 There are tree power plants. 1518 01:07:38,005 --> 01:07:40,000 Do you know the problems with biomass or biofuels? 1519 01:07:40,005 --> 01:07:43,000 Yes, yes, I'm not so aware of that 1520 01:07:43,005 --> 01:07:45,000 how it could or should be me. 1521 01:07:45,005 --> 01:07:47,000 Jeff Gibbs is working on a documentary. 1522 01:07:47,005 --> 01:07:49,000 In Michigan, where I live, where I come from, 1523 01:07:49,005 --> 01:07:51,000 there are large plants that burn trees for energy 1524 01:07:51,005 --> 01:07:53,000 and pretty much felled trees. 1525 01:07:53,005 --> 01:07:54,000 Have you thought about whether 1526 01:07:54,005 --> 01:07:57,000 that should or shouldn't be part of the green energy? 1527 01:07:57,005 --> 01:07:59,000 The great thing about green energy is 1528 01:07:59,005 --> 01:08:00,000 You don't have to select a favorite. 1529 01:08:00,005 --> 01:08:01,000 Jeff Gibbs. 1530 01:08:01,005 --> 01:08:02,000 Oh hello. 1531 01:08:02,005 --> 01:08:04,000 My biggest concern is that in Germany for example 1532 01:08:04,005 --> 01:08:06,000 They move towards the sun and wind 1533 01:08:06,005 --> 01:08:09,000 but 60% of their actual energy comes from biomass. 1534 01:08:09,005 --> 01:08:12,000 60% of renewable energies. 1535 01:08:12,005 --> 01:08:13,000 Are trees burning for energy? 1536 01:08:13,005 --> 01:08:15,000 I don't know the details from Germany. 1537 01:08:15,005 --> 01:08:17,000 What Germany really does is a lot 1538 01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:20,000 sun related and that's really powerful to see. 1539 01:08:20,005 --> 01:08:21,000 [Jeff] I would like to see how we get out 1540 01:08:21,005 --> 01:08:22,000 against the burning of trees. 1541 01:08:22,005 --> 01:08:23,000 All right, go and do it. 1542 01:08:23,005 --> 01:08:23,000 For clean energy 1543 01:08:23,005 --> 01:08:25,000 Would you? 1544 01:08:25,005 --> 01:08:27,000 Although I confess that I am heating my wood stove 1545 01:08:27,005 --> 01:08:29,000 almost every night of winter, 1546 01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,000 So I'm not really the right person to ask that. 1547 01:08:30,005 --> 01:08:32,000 But green energy for power plants. 1548 01:08:32,005 --> 01:08:35,000 Yes, yes, I don't know. 1549 01:08:35,005 --> 01:08:36,000 That's not what it's about today. 1550 01:08:36,005 --> 01:08:38,000 [Jeff] But if we burn trees 1551 01:08:38,005 --> 01:08:41,000 instead of fossil fuels. 1552 01:08:41,005 --> 01:08:42,000 (Crowd drowns) from Taiwan. 1553 01:08:42,005 --> 01:08:44,000 Oh good. 1554 01:08:44,005 --> 01:08:47,000 We wonder what role you have 1555 01:08:47,005 --> 01:08:48,000 want to play in it (voice fades)? 1556 01:08:48,005 --> 01:08:54,000 [Jeff] I think the biomass question is a non-starter. 1557 01:08:54,005 --> 01:08:56,000 (dark music) 1558 01:08:56,005 --> 01:08:58,000 I only found an environmental leader who was ready 1559 01:08:58,005 --> 01:09:02,000 Reject biomass and biofuels. 1560 01:09:02,005 --> 01:09:03,000 So we're talking about 1561 01:09:03,005 --> 01:09:07,000 the old oil industry, which is now tried 1562 01:09:07,005 --> 01:09:09,000 to keep up 1563 01:09:09,005 --> 01:09:13,000 through another raw material, the green planet. 1564 01:09:13,005 --> 01:09:17,000 The only reason why corn and soybeans were planted for biofuels 1565 01:09:17,005 --> 01:09:20,000 in this country is that the subsidies make it profitable. 1566 01:09:20,005 --> 01:09:24,000 I think the big crisis of our time is that 1567 01:09:24,005 --> 01:09:28,000 our minds have been manipulated to give strength to illusions. 1568 01:09:28,005 --> 01:09:30,000 We have shifted to measuring growth, 1569 01:09:30,005 --> 01:09:34,000 not in terms of how life is enriched 1570 01:09:34,005 --> 01:09:36,000 but in terms of how life is destroyed. 1571 01:09:36,005 --> 01:09:39,000 (peaceful guitar) 1572 01:09:39,005 --> 01:09:42,000 [Jeff] Your honesty was refreshing. 1573 01:09:42,005 --> 01:09:47,000 But for the rest of them I wondered: 1574 01:09:47,005 --> 01:09:50,000 What are they hiding 1575 01:09:50,005 --> 01:09:54,000 And why are they hiding it? 1576 01:09:54,005 --> 01:09:57,000 Is it your ignorance? 1577 01:09:57,005 --> 01:09:59,000 Or is it something else? 1578 01:09:59,005 --> 01:10:01,000 (Music increases in tempo) 1579 01:10:01,005 --> 01:10:03,000 What if you were misled yourself? 1580 01:10:03,005 --> 01:10:05,000 (Intensification of the dramatic music) 1581 01:10:05,005 --> 01:10:07,000 What if you made some kind of deal? 1582 01:10:07,005 --> 01:10:11,000 that they shouldn't have done? 1583 01:10:11,005 --> 01:10:18,000 And do they all lead us off the cliff? 1584 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:22,000 (light happy music) 1585 01:10:22,005 --> 01:10:24,000 It was long overdue for me 1586 01:10:24,005 --> 01:10:27,000 get along with the other elephant in the living room. 1587 01:10:27,005 --> 01:10:31,000 The profit motive. 1588 01:10:31,005 --> 01:10:33,000 The only reason we were force-fed this story: 1589 01:10:33,005 --> 01:10:37,000 Climate change plus renewable energies mean that we are saved, 1590 01:10:37,005 --> 01:10:39,000 is because billionaires, bankers 1591 01:10:39,005 --> 01:10:43,000 and companies benefit from it. 1592 01:10:43,005 --> 01:10:45,000 And the reason why we don't have overpopulation, 1593 01:10:45,005 --> 01:10:51,000 Consumption and the suicide of economic growth speak 1594 01:10:51,005 --> 01:10:53,000 it is bad for business. 1595 01:10:53,005 --> 01:10:55,000 Especially the cancerous form of capitalism 1596 01:10:55,005 --> 01:10:57,000 that rules the world. 1597 01:10:57,005 --> 01:11:00,000 Now hiding under a green blanket. 1598 01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,000 Today Bloomberg makes philanthropies, 1599 01:11:02,005 --> 01:11:05,000 I am happy to announce a new investment 1600 01:11:05,005 --> 01:11:08,000 $ 30 million in the Beyond Coal campaign. 1601 01:11:08,005 --> 01:11:11,000 (Crowd cheers and claps) 1602 01:11:11,005 --> 01:11:12,000 We have more. 1603 01:11:12,005 --> 01:11:13,000 I am happy to say that more 1604 01:11:13,005 --> 01:11:15,000 than a dozen additional donors committed 1605 01:11:15,005 --> 01:11:17,000 have to reach that $ 30 million. 1606 01:11:17,005 --> 01:11:20,000 (clapping and cheering) 1607 01:11:20,005 --> 01:11:22,000 [Jeff] And who were these new partners? 1608 01:11:22,005 --> 01:11:24,000 One of them was Jeremy Grantham, 1609 01:11:24,005 --> 01:11:28,000 Billionaires, world leader in wood investments. 1610 01:11:28,005 --> 01:11:29,000 (Man speaks in the background) 1611 01:11:29,005 --> 01:11:30,000 They didn't invest in trees 1612 01:11:30,005 --> 01:11:34,000 to turn them into nature reserves, 1613 01:11:34,005 --> 01:11:37,000 which could answer another riddle, 1614 01:11:37,005 --> 01:11:41,000 why is this name excluded in the Sierra Club tax return? 1615 01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:44,000 Would you be embarrassed to accept three million dollars 1616 01:11:44,005 --> 01:11:47,000 from a man making a living selling the forest 1617 01:11:47,005 --> 01:11:49,000 earned in the whole world? 1618 01:11:49,005 --> 01:11:52,000 That Bloomberg is a billionaire for wood investments 1619 01:11:52,005 --> 01:11:55,000 brought to the party was no accident. 1620 01:11:55,005 --> 01:11:58,000 Bloomberg sponsored a climate meeting at the United Nations 1621 01:11:58,005 --> 01:12:00,000 about the recycling of biomass and biofuels 1622 01:12:00,005 --> 01:12:03,000 to discuss around the world. 1623 01:12:03,005 --> 01:12:06,000 Billionaires were in love with the idea 1624 01:12:06,005 --> 01:12:10,000 to convert what was left of nature into green profits. 1625 01:12:10,005 --> 01:12:13,000 Remember when Al Gore was able to convince Richard Branson 1626 01:12:13,005 --> 01:12:15,000 Invest billions in saving the planet? 1627 01:12:15,005 --> 01:12:18,000 [News anchor] Richard Branson, founder of Virgin Atlantic, 1628 01:12:18,005 --> 01:12:21,000 powered a Boeing 747 from London to Amsterdam 1629 01:12:21,005 --> 01:12:24,000 with a coconut oil blend to unlock the potential of this amazing 1630 01:12:24,005 --> 01:12:28,000 to emphasize oil as a clean energy biofuel. 1631 01:12:28,005 --> 01:12:31,000 [Jeff] Branson had actually invested in biofuels. 1632 01:12:31,005 --> 01:12:33,000 He tried the dune fuel that damaged the planet 1633 01:12:33,005 --> 01:12:35,000 with biofuels to replace that consumption 1634 01:12:35,005 --> 01:12:40,000 of the living planet required. 1635 01:12:40,005 --> 01:12:42,000 And it was the start of the game for the aviation industry. 1636 01:12:42,005 --> 01:12:43,000 [News anchor] Dozens of researchers 1637 01:12:43,005 --> 01:12:44,000 gathered from all over the northwest 1638 01:12:44,005 --> 01:12:47,000 in Missoula the last two days to explore the idea 1639 01:12:47,005 --> 01:12:49,000 the mass of the region's wood reserves 1640 01:12:49,005 --> 01:12:50,000 to convert into jet fuel. 1641 01:12:50,005 --> 01:12:53,000 Mainly because of the growing demand for aviation fuel 1642 01:12:53,005 --> 01:12:55,000 a billion gallons was expected in the northwest alone. 1643 01:12:55,005 --> 01:12:58,000 [News] United Airlines will have a share of $ 30 million 1644 01:12:58,005 --> 01:13:01,000 buy from the biofuel company Fulcrum BioEnergy. 1645 01:13:01,005 --> 01:13:06,000 The airline used 3.9 billion gallons of fuel last year. 1646 01:13:06,005 --> 01:13:09,000 [Jeff] What technology did Silicon Valley billionaires hope for? 1647 01:13:09,005 --> 01:13:12,000 Vinod Khosla to benefit? 1648 01:13:12,005 --> 01:13:16,000 Nature takes a million years to produce our crude oil. 1649 01:13:16,005 --> 01:13:18,000 KiOR (bankrupt biofuel company) can produce it in seconds. 1650 01:13:18,005 --> 01:13:21,000 [Lesley] The company took over this old paper mill 1651 01:13:21,005 --> 01:13:24,000 where tree trunks are picked up by a giant claw, 1652 01:13:24,005 --> 01:13:28,000 dropped into a shredder and pulverized into wood shavings. 1653 01:13:28,005 --> 01:13:29,000 Pure gasoline? 1654 01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:31,000 clean, green gasoline. 1655 01:13:31,005 --> 01:13:33,000 There must be a disadvantage. 1656 01:13:33,005 --> 01:13:35,000 There is no disadvantage. 1657 01:13:35,005 --> 01:13:37,000 [Jeff] The bank that crashed the economy 1658 01:13:37,005 --> 01:13:40,000 Millions of lives are ruined and their tentacles 1659 01:13:40,005 --> 01:13:42,000 on the levers of power 1660 01:13:42,005 --> 01:13:45,000 what would be your favorite form of green energy? 1661 01:13:45,005 --> 01:13:46,000 one of the very interesting markets 1662 01:13:46,005 --> 01:13:48,000 we are dealing with is Brazil. 1663 01:13:48,005 --> 01:13:51,000 It's different from any other current market by 1664 01:13:51,005 --> 01:13:53,000 alternative energy is not really alternative energy. 1665 01:13:53,005 --> 01:13:57,000 It is so much part of the fabric of society. 1666 01:13:57,005 --> 01:14:00,000 The country started using its enormous sugar cane resources 1667 01:14:00,005 --> 01:14:03,000 to use for the production of ethanol. 1668 01:14:03,005 --> 01:14:05,000 [Jeff] There was a man from Goldman Sachs 1669 01:14:05,005 --> 01:14:07,000 who was particularly in love 1670 01:14:07,005 --> 01:14:09,000 with the conversion of forests into profits. 1671 01:14:09,005 --> 01:14:12,000 Does everyone have enough coffee? 1672 01:14:12,005 --> 01:14:14,000 Maybe you want to get more. 1673 01:14:14,005 --> 01:14:17,000 [Jeff] Meet David Blood, the former CEO 1674 01:14:17,005 --> 01:14:20,000 by Asset Management for Goldman Sachs. 1675 01:14:20,005 --> 01:14:22,000 How much money did Mr. Blood think that 1676 01:14:22,005 --> 01:14:24,000 should be invested in green energy? 1677 01:14:24,005 --> 01:14:27,000 A natural orientation for something on the order of magnitude 1678 01:14:27,005 --> 01:14:31,000 of $ 4050 trillion in capital. 1679 01:14:31,005 --> 01:14:34,000 [Jeff] $ 4050 trillion! 1680 01:14:34,005 --> 01:14:37,000 And who would help the Goldman Sachs man? 1681 01:14:37,005 --> 01:14:41,000 Help him raise this astronomical amount of money? 1682 01:14:41,005 --> 01:14:43,000 A gentleman, some of you may recognize him 1683 01:14:43,005 --> 01:14:45,000 and know Bill McKibben. 1684 01:14:45,005 --> 01:14:48,000 It all depends on what type 1685 01:14:48,005 --> 01:14:50,000 of political will we can muster. 1686 01:14:50,005 --> 01:14:53,000 And if we don't do it very quickly, 1687 01:14:53,005 --> 01:14:57,000 then we won't make it. 1688 01:14:57,005 --> 01:14:59,000 [Jeff] So Bill McKibben went forward 1689 01:14:59,005 --> 01:15:01,000 for the political will for trillions of dollars 1690 01:15:01,005 --> 01:15:04,000 to produce in green investments. 1691 01:15:04,005 --> 01:15:05,000 Our next guest was called 1692 01:15:05,005 --> 01:15:07,000 our nation's leading environmentalist. 1693 01:15:07,005 --> 01:15:09,000 And you are in a sense 1694 01:15:09,005 --> 01:15:11,000 the big poobah of the environmental movement. 1695 01:15:11,005 --> 01:15:16,000 My guest is on a global crusade tonight. 1696 01:15:16,005 --> 01:15:18,000 [Jeff] On a global crusade for what? 1697 01:15:18,005 --> 01:15:20,000 The obligation to withdraw from fossil fuel investments. 1698 01:15:20,005 --> 01:15:24,000 We cannot justify investing our money in companies 1699 01:15:24,005 --> 01:15:26,000 which basically runs back to genesis. 1700 01:15:26,005 --> 01:15:29,000 [Jeff] So if you part with fossil fuels, 1701 01:15:29,005 --> 01:15:34,000 and invest in green funds, what do you invest in? 1702 01:15:34,005 --> 01:15:36,000 I have worked intensively on securities 1703 01:15:36,005 --> 01:15:40,000 and Exchange Commission filings to find out. 1704 01:15:40,005 --> 01:15:43,000 For example in the Green Century Funds, 1705 01:15:43,005 --> 01:15:47,000 recommended by 350.org and Bill McKibben, 1706 01:15:47,005 --> 01:15:50,000 I found less than one percent sun and wind, 1707 01:15:50,005 --> 01:15:54,000 and 99% of things like mining, 1708 01:15:54,005 --> 01:15:59,000 (increasing dramatic music) 1709 01:15:59,005 --> 01:16:01,000 oil and gas infrastructure companies, 1710 01:16:01,005 --> 01:16:03,000 (dramatic music) 1711 01:16:03,005 --> 01:16:06,000 including an oelsand exploiter. 1712 01:16:06,005 --> 01:16:09,000 McDonald's is one of the companies that consume meat 1713 01:16:09,005 --> 01:16:12,000 drives across the planet. 1714 01:16:12,005 --> 01:16:14,000 Archer Daniels Midland, 1715 01:16:14,005 --> 01:16:18,000 one of the world's largest producers of biofuels, 1716 01:16:18,005 --> 01:16:20,000 Coca Cola, the greatest creator 1717 01:16:20,005 --> 01:16:23,000 plastic pollution on earth, 1718 01:16:23,005 --> 01:16:27,000 Wood and paper companies, including one 1719 01:16:27,005 --> 01:16:32,000 which boasts of burning biomass and banks. 1720 01:16:32,005 --> 01:16:34,000 (dramatic music) 1721 01:16:34,005 --> 01:16:35,000 Many banks. 1722 01:16:35,005 --> 01:16:37,000 (dramatic music) 1723 01:16:37,005 --> 01:16:41,000 Including BlackRock, the largest 1724 01:16:41,005 --> 01:16:44,000 Deforestation financier on earth. 1725 01:16:44,005 --> 01:16:46,000 The business you are dealing wi 1726 01:16:46,005 --> 01:16:49,000 is actually destroying our life support system. 1727 01:16:49,005 --> 01:16:51,000 (dramatic music) 1728 01:16:51,005 --> 01:16:53,000 [Jeff] The Sierra Club, also a partner 1729 01:16:53,005 --> 01:16:57,000 with a green fund called aspiration. 1730 01:16:57,005 --> 01:17:00,000 Aspiration also includes dozens of companies that 1731 01:17:00,005 --> 01:17:04,000 benefit from the destruction of the planet 1732 01:17:04,005 --> 01:17:10,000 Including Chevron, ExxonMobil, Chesapeake Energy. 1733 01:17:10,005 --> 01:17:12,000 [Announcement] About the production potential 1734 01:17:12,005 --> 01:17:14,000 to maximize the borehole 1735 01:17:14,005 --> 01:17:17,000 the shale formation is hydraulically broken. 1736 01:17:17,005 --> 01:17:20,000 [Jeff] The Russian gas giant Gazprom. 1737 01:17:20,005 --> 01:17:22,000 [Announcer] Gazprom owns the largest 1738 01:17:22,005 --> 01:17:27,000 explored gas reserves in the world, 36 trillion cubic meters. 1739 01:17:27,005 --> 01:17:30,000 [Jeff] And in perhaps the most bizarre turn of all, 1740 01:17:30,005 --> 01:17:34,000 the largest holding of the Sierra Club green fund is in Viva, 1741 01:17:34,005 --> 01:17:37,000 the world's largest consumer of forests, 1742 01:17:37,005 --> 01:17:41,000 which are burned in green energy biomass plants. 1743 01:17:41,005 --> 01:17:47,000 (dark piano music) 1744 01:17:47,005 --> 01:17:49,000 An investment option is of course a green fund, 1745 01:17:49,005 --> 01:17:53,000 led by Bill McKibben's buddy David Blood. 1746 01:17:53,005 --> 01:17:56,000 And who was the chair of this fund? 1747 01:17:56,005 --> 01:17:58,000 Someone familiar. 1748 01:17:58,005 --> 01:18:01,000 Use capitalism, there are incentives 1749 01:18:01,005 --> 01:18:04,000 so that people can do their best. 1750 01:18:04,005 --> 01:18:06,000 [Jeff] Al Gore and David Blood have teamed up 1751 01:18:06,005 --> 01:18:11,000 to start a company called Blood and Gore. 1752 01:18:11,005 --> 01:18:16,000 No, delete that, Generation Investment Management. 1753 01:18:16,005 --> 01:18:18,000 And within that fund have Blood and Gore 1754 01:18:18,005 --> 01:18:23,000 determines a particular asset class with one goal 1755 01:18:23,005 --> 01:18:27,000 $ 650 million in biomass and biofuels. 1756 01:18:27,005 --> 01:18:28,000 The funny thing was that they got together 1757 01:18:28,005 --> 01:18:31,000 before Al Gore’s film came out. 1758 01:18:31,005 --> 01:18:33,000 (dramatic music) 1759 01:18:33,005 --> 01:18:38,000 Was this film just about climate change or something else? 1760 01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:41,000 On the one hand we have gold bars. 1761 01:18:41,005 --> 01:18:45,000 Mm, mm, mm. (Audience laughs) 1762 01:18:45,005 --> 01:18:46,000 Don't you look good? 1763 01:18:46,005 --> 01:18:49,000 I just want to have some of these gold bars. 1764 01:18:49,005 --> 01:18:53,000 On the other side of the scales, the entire planet. 1765 01:18:53,005 --> 01:18:55,000 (Audience laughs) 1766 01:18:55,005 --> 01:18:57,000 If we do the right thing 1767 01:18:57,005 --> 01:19:00,000 then we will create a lot of prosperity. 1768 01:19:00,005 --> 01:19:02,000 [Jeff] And when it was time for Al Gore 1769 01:19:02,005 --> 01:19:06,000 to choose between the entire planet and a couple of these 1770 01:19:06,005 --> 01:19:10,000 To get gold bars, what choice did he make? 1771 01:19:10,005 --> 01:19:13,000 Here Al Gore makes a living by pretending to be himself 1772 01:19:13,005 --> 01:19:16,000 to care about the rainforest while lobbying the congress 1773 01:19:16,005 --> 01:19:20,000 on behalf of the sugar cane ethanol industry. 1774 01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:21,000 Let me go into the Brazilian efforts here: 1775 01:19:21,005 --> 01:19:24,000 with the question of the possibility of enlargement in 1776 01:19:24,005 --> 01:19:27,000 the Amazon basin and other deforestation 1777 01:19:27,005 --> 01:19:29,000 to produce more ethanol from sugar cane is a concern. 1778 01:19:29,005 --> 01:19:31,000 And apparently you're not so worried about it. 1779 01:19:31,005 --> 01:19:34,000 No, no, I just forgot about it. 1780 01:19:34,005 --> 01:19:35,000 (Engine roars) 1781 01:19:35,005 --> 01:19:38,000 (Children scream and cry) 1782 01:19:38,005 --> 01:19:43,000 What is going on there is really very worrying. 1783 01:19:43,005 --> 01:19:48,000 (speak in foreign language) 1784 01:19:48,005 --> 01:19:51,000 And with your permission, I'll show you a very short example 1785 01:19:51,005 --> 01:19:55,000 of which over a period of 25 years. 1786 01:19:55,005 --> 01:19:59,000 (loud knock) 1787 01:19:59,005 --> 01:20:01,000 [Announcer] The invasion of sugar cane into the crops 1788 01:20:01,005 --> 01:20:02,000 the region violates land rights 1789 01:20:02,005 --> 01:20:05,000 the indigenous people together. 1790 01:20:05,005 --> 01:20:07,000 These are pictures of a last trench attempt 1791 01:20:07,005 --> 01:20:10,000 from the GuaraniKaiowá to resist eviction. 1792 01:20:10,005 --> 01:20:13,000 It is important to note that the exploitation 1793 01:20:13,005 --> 01:20:18,000 the sugar cane growing areas in Brazil do not have to 1794 01:20:18,005 --> 01:20:22,000 inevitably have the consequence 1795 01:20:22,005 --> 01:20:28,000 to cause the destruction in the Amazon. 1796 01:20:28,005 --> 01:20:30,000 Burn sugar cane fields. 1797 01:20:30,005 --> 01:20:32,000 They are lit before the harvest 1798 01:20:32,005 --> 01:20:35,000 to remove the leaves and tips of the plant, 1799 01:20:35,005 --> 01:20:37,000 That makes cutting more efficient. 1800 01:20:37,005 --> 01:20:39,000 (dark music) 1801 01:20:39,005 --> 01:20:41,000 Environmentalists apparently accuse them 1802 01:20:41,005 --> 01:20:44,000 endless sugar cane fields, air and water pollution 1803 01:20:44,005 --> 01:20:46,000 on an epic scale. 1804 01:20:46,005 --> 01:20:49,000 And along with deforestation and the threat it poses 1805 01:20:49,005 --> 01:20:52,000 presented to the environment becomes clear. 1806 01:20:52,005 --> 01:20:53,000 (dramatic music) 1807 01:20:53,005 --> 01:20:55,000 Once the indigenous families were driven out 1808 01:20:55,005 --> 01:21:01,000 the landowners lit their houses. 1809 01:21:01,005 --> 01:21:06,000 (dramatic music) 1810 01:21:06,005 --> 01:21:07,000 [Jeff] Is there anything too terrible? 1811 01:21:07,005 --> 01:21:11,000 qualify as green energy? 1812 01:21:11,005 --> 01:21:14,000 Thank you very much, Secretary Mabus and US Navy for 1813 01:21:14,005 --> 01:21:17,000 today's invitation to speak to you again. 1814 01:21:17,005 --> 01:21:18,000 The work of the Navy in the establishment 1815 01:21:18,005 --> 01:21:22,000 this new fuel industry is invaluable. 1816 01:21:22,005 --> 01:21:24,000 (roaring aircraft engine) 1817 01:21:24,005 --> 01:21:26,000 [Announcer] The U.S. Navy has a special message 1818 01:21:26,005 --> 01:21:27,000 this year. 1819 01:21:27,005 --> 01:21:29,000 It's time to go green. 1820 01:21:29,005 --> 01:21:32,000 Joining the ships is what the U.S. Navy calls 1821 01:21:32,005 --> 01:21:34,000 it's a great green fleet of warships, 1822 01:21:34,005 --> 01:21:36,000 fueled by fuel from renewable sources such as algae, 1823 01:21:36,005 --> 01:21:39,000 Grass and animal fat. 1824 01:21:39,005 --> 01:21:42,000 [Jeff] Animal Fat? 1825 01:21:42,005 --> 01:21:48,000 (Hitting and pounding) 1826 01:21:48,005 --> 01:21:50,000 the next time you fill up 1827 01:21:50,005 --> 01:21:51,000 at a gas station in your neighborhood, 1828 01:21:51,005 --> 01:21:54,000 you might find that you have a small alligator 1829 01:21:54,005 --> 01:21:55,000 pump in your tank. 1830 01:21:55,005 --> 01:21:57,000 That's right, U.L. Lafayette researcher 1831 01:21:57,005 --> 01:21:59,000 have alligator fat as renewable 1832 01:21:59,005 --> 01:22:04,000 Developed source for biofuels. 1833 01:22:04,005 --> 01:22:08,000 [Jeff] And once we drive through the animals, what's next? 1834 01:22:08,005 --> 01:22:12,000 GE, which brings you nuclear energy and wind turbines, 1835 01:22:12,005 --> 01:22:15,000 is ready with a plan. 1836 01:22:15,005 --> 01:22:18,000 I believe that liquid fuels, chemicals, 1837 01:22:18,005 --> 01:22:22,000 have to be done sometime 1838 01:22:22,005 --> 01:22:24,000 from sustainable raw materials. 1839 01:22:24,005 --> 01:22:26,000 We believe that seaweed is one 1840 01:22:26,005 --> 01:22:29,000 of the most attractive options. 1841 01:22:29,005 --> 01:22:39,000 (majestic music) 1842 01:22:39,005 --> 01:22:43,000 [Jeff] Hurry up. 1843 01:22:43,005 --> 01:22:49,000 The algae forest was dead a year after filming. 1844 01:22:49,005 --> 01:22:55,000 (dark music) 1845 01:22:55,005 --> 01:22:58,000 You might be wondering how people like what nature has to offer 1846 01:22:58,005 --> 01:23:02,000 Is there anything left to destroy to enrich yourself? 1847 01:23:02,005 --> 01:23:06,000 That's why they're billionaires and you aren't. 1848 01:23:06,005 --> 01:23:10,000 (laugh) 1849 01:23:10,005 --> 01:23:11,000 The takeover of the environmental movement 1850 01:23:11,005 --> 01:23:14,000 through capitalism is now complete. 1851 01:23:14,005 --> 01:23:16,000 Environmentalists no longer resist 1852 01:23:16,005 --> 01:23:21,000 those with a profit motive, but work with them. 1853 01:23:21,005 --> 01:23:25,000 The nature conservation is now the timber management area. 1854 01:23:25,005 --> 01:23:29,000 We will record the most important pieces biologically 1855 01:23:29,005 --> 01:23:32,000 and it will be another big block 1856 01:23:32,005 --> 01:23:34,000 sold to wood investment groups. 1857 01:23:34,005 --> 01:23:38,000 The union of the scientists concerned is a union 1858 01:23:38,005 --> 01:23:41,000 of concerned sellers who have taken millions 1859 01:23:41,005 --> 01:23:42,000 not for science, 1860 01:23:42,005 --> 01:23:48,000 but to create markets for electric cars. 1861 01:23:48,005 --> 01:23:50,000 The Sierra Club sells electric cars 1862 01:23:50,005 --> 01:23:53,000 and solar panels directly from their website. 1863 01:23:53,005 --> 01:23:55,000 The best thing about Sungevity (solar company) is 1864 01:23:55,005 --> 01:23:56,000 that they make it easy for you 1865 01:23:56,005 --> 01:24:00,000 All you have to do is say yes. 1866 01:24:00,005 --> 01:24:02,000 [Jeff] The New York Times works with ExxonMobil 1867 01:24:02,005 --> 01:24:05,000 to bring you the good news about biofuels. 1868 01:24:05,005 --> 01:24:06,000 [Announcer] Fuel derived from algae 1869 01:24:06,005 --> 01:24:09,000 could help us to meet the growing demands. 1870 01:24:09,005 --> 01:24:11,000 [Jeff] Treehugger.com who claims 1871 01:24:11,005 --> 01:24:14,000 To be the biggest single source of environmental news 1872 01:24:14,005 --> 01:24:17,000 was founded by Georgia Pacific, a timber company, 1873 01:24:17,005 --> 01:24:19,000 founded and financed. 1874 01:24:19,005 --> 01:24:23,000 In fact, they are neighbors. 1875 01:24:23,005 --> 01:24:26,000 Georgia Pacific belongs to our friends, the Brothers Cook, 1876 01:24:26,005 --> 01:24:28,000 which are probably the biggest recipients 1877 01:24:28,005 --> 01:24:32,000 of subsidies for biomass and green energy in the United States. 1878 01:24:32,005 --> 01:24:34,000 (dark music) 1879 01:24:34,005 --> 01:24:36,000 Yes, the fusion of environmental protection 1880 01:24:36,005 --> 01:24:39,000 and capitalism is now complete. 1881 01:24:39,005 --> 01:24:42,000 But maybe it was always complete. 1882 01:24:42,005 --> 01:24:45,000 How is 350.org funded? 1883 01:24:45,005 --> 01:24:46,000 So, not very well. 1884 01:24:46,005 --> 01:24:49,000 (laughs) Who are your financiers? 1885 01:24:49,005 --> 01:24:51,000 To the extent that we have any money at all, 1886 01:24:51,005 --> 01:24:53,000 it comes from some foundations in Europe and the USA. 1887 01:24:53,005 --> 01:24:55,000 [Karyn] Which one? 1888 01:24:55,005 --> 01:24:56,000 Ah, let's see. 1889 01:24:56,005 --> 01:25:05,000 I'm trying to figure out who the biggest donors are. 1890 01:25:05,005 --> 01:25:13,000 There is a foundation in Sweden called: 1891 01:25:13,005 --> 01:25:16,000 I think it's called the Rasmusson Foundation 1892 01:25:16,005 --> 01:25:18,000 that I think it was the biggest donor. 1893 01:25:18,005 --> 01:25:21,000 So you don't get any money from Pew or Rockefeller 1894 01:25:21,005 --> 01:25:22,000 or one of these big foundations? 1895 01:25:22,005 --> 01:25:23,000 [Bill] Not true, we have it. 1896 01:25:23,005 --> 01:25:26,000 The Rockefeller Brothers Fund gave us some money 1897 01:25:26,005 --> 01:25:27,000 when we started. 1898 01:25:27,005 --> 01:25:29,000 That was also useful. 1899 01:25:29,005 --> 01:25:31,000 But they no longer finance you? 1900 01:25:31,005 --> 01:25:34,000 I don't know, I don't have something like that ... 1901 01:25:34,005 --> 01:25:36,000 [Karyn] (laughs) Really? 1902 01:25:36,005 --> 01:25:38,000 Donors sitting in front of me. 1903 01:25:38,005 --> 01:25:40,000 [Karyn] People usually know that. 1904 01:25:40,005 --> 01:25:43,000 Rockefeller was one of ours, is one of ours 1905 01:25:43,005 --> 01:25:46,000 is a great ally in this fight. 1906 01:25:46,005 --> 01:25:50,000 [Interviewer] You just sold your TV network to Al Jazeera. 1907 01:25:50,005 --> 01:25:51,000 Correct. 1908 01:25:51,005 --> 01:25:53,000 [Interviewer] And this government is basically nothing 1909 01:25:53,005 --> 01:25:54,000 but an oil producer. 1910 01:25:54,005 --> 01:25:55,000 Mainly gas and oil. 1911 01:25:55,005 --> 01:25:58,000 They take that, about a hundred million dollars before taxes 1912 01:25:58,005 --> 01:26:02,000 from a country whose wealth is based on fossil fuels. 1913 01:26:02,005 --> 01:26:05,000 Isn't that a bit of hypocrisy? 1914 01:26:05,005 --> 01:26:08,000 Well, I understand the criticism, but I don't agree with it. 1915 01:26:08,005 --> 01:26:09,000 I am proud of the transactions. 1916 01:26:09,005 --> 01:26:13,000 If you couldn't do one for your business, 1917 01:26:13,005 --> 01:26:15,000 find a more sustainable choice? 1918 01:26:15,005 --> 01:26:16,000 What is not sustainable about it? 1919 01:26:16,005 --> 01:26:19,000 because it’s covered by fossil fuel money. 1920 01:26:19,005 --> 01:26:21,000 I understand, I understand, I understand. 1921 01:26:21,005 --> 01:26:23,000 [Jeff] And if you yourself 1922 01:26:23,005 --> 01:26:25,000 have gotten an environmental movement and environmental leaders, 1923 01:26:25,005 --> 01:26:28,000 why not buy the holy day yourself? 1924 01:26:28,005 --> 01:26:30,000 [Man] (crowd screams) Happy Earth Day! 1925 01:26:30,005 --> 01:26:31,000 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1926 01:26:31,005 --> 01:26:33,000 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1927 01:26:33,005 --> 01:26:35,000 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1928 01:26:35,005 --> 01:26:39,000 ♪ You make me say ♪ 1929 01:26:39,005 --> 01:26:42,000 ♪ Ah, you make me say ♪ 1930 01:26:42,005 --> 01:26:45,000 Now we are facing the biggest sets of problems 1931 01:26:45,005 --> 01:26:48,000 that we saw during my lifetime. 1932 01:26:48,005 --> 01:26:50,000 It is now time for a new generation 1933 01:26:50,005 --> 01:26:53,000 the stage jumps in and creates a habitable land, 1934 01:26:53,005 --> 01:26:56,000 a habitable planet that we can all enjoy. 1935 01:26:56,005 --> 01:26:58,000 Are you this generation 1936 01:26:58,005 --> 01:27:01,000 (Crowd screams and cheers) 1937 01:27:01,005 --> 01:27:03,000 I have to thank Building Energy 1938 01:27:03,005 --> 01:27:06,000 that provided so much solar energy 1939 01:27:06,005 --> 01:27:09,000 that we could run the entire event with solar energy. 1940 01:27:09,005 --> 01:27:13,000 (Crowd cheers and screams) 1941 01:27:13,005 --> 01:27:15,000 [Jeff] But when I went behind the stage to see 1942 01:27:15,005 --> 01:27:17,000 what was really going on. 1943 01:27:17,005 --> 01:27:19,000 It's not all there, Jack, 1944 01:27:19,005 --> 01:27:19,000 I can tell you that. 1945 01:27:19,005 --> 01:27:23,000 For a toaster it is 1200 watts. 1946 01:27:23,005 --> 01:27:27,000 This system there could operate a toaster. 1947 01:27:27,005 --> 01:27:29,000 [Jeff] I found the installer. 1948 01:27:29,005 --> 01:27:30,000 Hi. 1949 01:27:30,005 --> 01:27:31,000 [Jeff] Are you leading the festival? 1950 01:27:31,005 --> 01:27:33,000 with these solar panels? 1951 01:27:33,005 --> 01:27:38,000 The concert is powered by a diesel power system. 1952 01:27:38,005 --> 01:27:43,000 They did not ask us to provide the concert with energy. 1953 01:27:43,005 --> 01:27:45,000 [Jeff] Oh, okay. 1954 01:27:45,005 --> 01:27:45,000 And we want too 1955 01:27:45,005 --> 01:27:48,000 thank our incredible company sponsors 1956 01:27:48,005 --> 01:27:50,000 which were behind the move to end extreme poverty 1957 01:27:50,005 --> 01:27:53,000 and fight climate change from the start. 1958 01:27:53,005 --> 01:27:54,000 I want to thank Toyota. 1959 01:27:54,005 --> 01:27:58,000 (loud roaring engine) 1960 01:27:58,005 --> 01:27:58,000 Citibank. 1961 01:27:58,005 --> 01:28:02,000 (Ringing and cheering) 1962 01:28:02,005 --> 01:28:03,000 We would like to thank Caterpillar. 1963 01:28:03,005 --> 01:28:05,000 We are at the point of destruction 1964 01:28:05,005 --> 01:28:07,000 the Dakota supply pipeline. 1965 01:28:07,005 --> 01:28:09,000 It looks that current 1966 01:28:09,005 --> 01:28:13,000 at least three bulldozers are leveling the country. 1967 01:28:13,005 --> 01:28:16,000 (Group screams and cheers) 1968 01:28:16,005 --> 01:28:18,000 People came through the fence 1969 01:28:18,005 --> 01:28:20,000 the bulldozers are still driving, 1970 01:28:20,005 --> 01:28:21,000 (People scream) 1971 01:28:21,005 --> 01:28:24,000 and they march over the mounds. 1972 01:28:24,005 --> 01:28:26,000 (loud furious screaming) 1973 01:28:26,005 --> 01:28:27,000 [Man in orange shirt] Get out! 1974 01:28:27,005 --> 01:28:28,000 Get out of here! 1975 01:28:28,005 --> 01:28:30,000 Without these partners, this would not be possible. 1976 01:28:30,005 --> 01:28:32,000 All please:give a round of applause. 1977 01:28:32,005 --> 01:28:37,000 (Crowd cheers and claps) 1978 01:28:37,005 --> 01:28:45,000 (slow festive music) 1979 01:28:45,005 --> 01:28:50,000 [Jeff] Now I know that all of this may seem overwhelming. 1980 01:28:50,005 --> 01:28:50,000 It's kind of a thing 1981 01:28:50,005 --> 01:28:54,000 that we don't normally try or think about it. 1982 01:28:54,005 --> 01:28:57,000 (slow festive music) 1983 01:28:57,005 --> 01:29:00,000 But by not thinking about it 1984 01:29:00,005 --> 01:29:02,000 it has a good chance that we will succeed. 1985 01:29:02,005 --> 01:29:05,000 (slow festive music) 1986 01:29:05,005 --> 01:29:09,000 I really believe that the path to change 1987 01:29:09,005 --> 01:29:10,000 comes from consciousness. 1988 01:29:10,005 --> 01:29:12,000 (slow festive music) 1989 01:29:12,005 --> 01:29:17,000 This awareness alone can be the beginning of the transformation. 1990 01:29:17,005 --> 01:29:21,000 (slow festive music) 1991 01:29:21,005 --> 01:29:24,000 There is a way out. 1992 01:29:24,005 --> 01:29:28,000 We humans have to realize that this infinite grow 1993 01:29:28,005 --> 01:29:33,000 is suicide on a finite planet. 1994 01:29:33,005 --> 01:29:36,000 We have to accept that our human presence 1995 01:29:36,005 --> 01:29:40,000 is already far beyond sustainability. 1996 01:29:40,005 --> 01:29:42,000 And everything that is implied by it. 1997 01:29:42,005 --> 01:29:44,000 (slow festive music) 1998 01:29:44,005 --> 01:29:48,000 We need control over our environmental movement 1999 01:29:48,005 --> 01:29:51,000 and our future, of billionaires and you 2000 01:29:51,005 --> 01:29:54,000 permanent war against planet earth, take over. 2001 01:29:54,005 --> 01:29:56,000 (slow festive music) 2002 01:29:56,005 --> 01:29:58,000 You are not our friends. 2003 01:29:58,005 --> 01:30:01,000 (slow festive music) 2004 01:30:01,005 --> 01:30:04,000 The new must be less 2005 01:30:04,005 --> 01:30:06,000 and instead of climate change 2006 01:30:06,005 --> 01:30:09,000 we finally have to accept 2007 01:30:09,005 --> 01:30:11,000 that it's not the carbon dioxide molecule 2008 01:30:11,005 --> 01:30:14,000 that destroys the planet, 2009 01:30:14,005 --> 01:30:17,000 (slow solemn music) It's us. 2010 01:30:17,005 --> 01:30:19,000 (slow festive music) 2011 01:30:19,005 --> 01:30:25,000 It's not one thing, it's everything we humans do. 2012 01:30:25,005 --> 01:30:29,000 A man-made apocalypse. 2013 01:30:29,005 --> 01:30:33,000 If we get ourselves under control, anything is possible. 2014 01:30:33,005 --> 01:30:37,000 (slow festive music) 2015 01:30:37,005 --> 01:30:39,000 And if not. 2016 01:30:39,005 --> 01:30:50,000 (threatening music) 2017 01:30:50,005 --> 01:30:58,000 (Chainsaw buzzes) 2018 01:30:58,005 --> 01:31:02,000 (Trees crashing) 2019 01:31:02,005 --> 01:31:07,000 (sad sad music) 2020 01:31:07,005 --> 01:31:12,000 (Trees crashing) 2021 01:31:12,005 --> 01:31:23,000 (slow festive music) 2022 01:31:23,005 --> 01:31:27,000 (Scrape trees) 2023 01:31:27,005 --> 01:31:33,000 (Orangutan chirps) 2024 01:31:33,005 --> 01:31:42,000 ♪ AhOoh ♪ 2025 01:31:42,005 --> 01:32:00,000 (sad orchestral music) 2026 01:32:00,005 --> 01:32:08,000 (Music fades) 2027 01:32:08,005 --> 01:32:13,000 (Snap branch) 2028 01:32:13,005 --> 01:32:25,000 (slow festive music) 2029 01:32:25,005 --> 01:32:31,000 (blazing crackling fire) 2030 01:32:31,005 --> 01:32:38,000 ♪ AhAhOoh ♪ 2031 01:32:38,005 --> 01:32:46,000 ♪ OohOoh (with increasing intensity) ♪ 2032 01:32:46,005 --> 01:32:49,000 ♪ AhOoh ♪ 2033 01:32:49,005 --> 01:32:57,000 (Orangutan chirps) 2034 01:32:57,005 --> 01:33:05,000 (Woman sings sadly) 2035 01:33:05,005 --> 01:33:07,000 (Orangutan Squeak) 2036 01:33:07,005 --> 01:33:10,000 Yes Yes Yes. 2037 01:33:10,005 --> 01:33:11,000 (speak softly) 2038 01:33:11,005 --> 01:33:15,000 ♪ AhAhAh ♪ 2039 01:33:15,005 --> 01:33:18,000 ♪ O OhOhAh ♪ 2040 01:33:18,005 --> 01:33:22,000 ♪ O OhOhAh ♪ 2041 01:33:22,005 --> 01:33:28,000 ♪ OohAh ♪ 2042 01:33:28,005 --> 01:33:33,000 ♪ OhOhOh ♪ 2043 01:33:33,005 --> 01:33:54,000 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2044 01:33:54,005 --> 01:33:56,000 (dark music) 2045 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:35,000 A week after the premiere of this film, Sierra Club campaigned against biomass burning. 2046 01:34:35,001 --> 01:34:42,000 Days later they awarded a green award to a college that burns biomass ... 2047 01:35:11,001 --> 01:35:18,000 After the first screening of this film, Bill McKinnen said he was wrong about biomass. 2048 01:35:18,001 --> 01:35:26,000 The Middlebury plant and thousands more are still burning trees today ... 2049 01:35:55,000 --> 01:36:01,000 Al Gore and David Blood have a new billion dollar sustainability fund ... 2050 01:36:01,001 --> 01:36:06,000 opened in the Cayman Islands. 2051 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:20,000 Shortly after the second screening of this film ... 2052 01:37:20,001 --> 01:37:29,000 the Sierras Club's "green" aspiration fund was abruptly closed. " 2053 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:13,000 "Mankind is challenged to maturity like never before to prove their mastery      - not by nature, but by itself " 2054 01:39:13,001 --> 01:39:25,000 "Mankind is challenged to maturity like never before to prove their mastery      - not by nature, but by itself "              Rachel Carson 1962 "147001

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