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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,257 --> 00:00:08,967 What a difference a decade makes. 2 00:00:09,050 --> 00:00:11,302 Ten years ago, New York was nearly flat broke 3 00:00:11,386 --> 00:00:13,972 and very close to not being able to pay its bills and loans. 4 00:00:14,055 --> 00:00:15,557 Well, now the city is prospering. 5 00:00:20,603 --> 00:00:23,440 [man 1] The $42 million, 38-story Harley Hotel 6 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:26,401 is being built by developer Harry Helmsley on 42nd. 7 00:00:26,484 --> 00:00:29,070 [man 2] American Telephone and Telegraph is putting up a skyscraper 8 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,405 at 55th and Madison. 9 00:00:30,488 --> 00:00:34,284 Hyatt has broken ground for a hotel on the side of the old Commodore. 10 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:38,496 [man 3] In the 1980s, there were buildings going up all across Manhattan. 11 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,000 When all those projects are completed, city officials glowing predict 12 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:44,878 that it'll mean an extra 20,000 jobs here in Manhattan. 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,465 [man 4] What's happened is phenomenal. 14 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:50,967 I've never seen anything to the extent I have in New York. 15 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,011 Now, from a real estate standpoint, 16 00:00:53,094 --> 00:00:55,305 it's probably become the hottest city in the world. 17 00:00:56,097 --> 00:01:00,518 [man 5] Every construction project is worth millions and millions of dollars. 18 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:04,564 We were learning the Mob exploited that. 19 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:19,579 In the next year, three huge skyscrapers will be completed on a single block. 20 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:23,208 Topping out ceremonies were held at one of them today, the Trump Tower. 21 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,627 [man 5] If you're running a construction company, 22 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:27,420 you've gotta deal with the Mob. 23 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:42,435 [man 5] It was a huge, huge racket, 24 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:45,855 terrifying people into doing what the Mob wanted them to do. 25 00:01:52,695 --> 00:01:54,739 [reporter] A work foreman was beaten to death 26 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:56,991 and thrown out of a 56-floor window. 27 00:01:57,075 --> 00:01:59,869 [interviewer] Make you nervous at all, to know that one guy's dead, 28 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:03,206 -another's in the hospital from this job? -It's all in a day's work. 29 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:04,874 The game is a tough one. 30 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:07,043 The stakes are high. The money is big. 31 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:10,880 And murder is not out of the question for those who get in the way. 32 00:02:11,381 --> 00:02:14,217 ["Hard Times" by Baby Huey & The Baby Sitters plays] 33 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:26,146 ♪ Cold, cold eyes upon me they stare ♪ 34 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:31,025 ♪ People all around me And they're all in fear ♪ 35 00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:35,405 ♪ So I play the part I feel they want of me ♪ 36 00:02:36,948 --> 00:02:41,202 ♪ And I pull the shades So I won't see them seein' me ♪ 37 00:02:41,953 --> 00:02:47,041 ♪ Havin' hard times in this crazy town ♪ 38 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:52,547 ♪ Havin' hard times There's no love to be found ♪ 39 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:57,802 ♪ Havin' hard times in this crazy town ♪ 40 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:03,725 ♪ Havin' hard times There's no love to be found ♪ 41 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:09,314 [song ends] 42 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,443 [static crackles] 43 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:18,823 ♪ You've never seen anything Like this before ♪ 44 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:21,868 [man] A new Chevrolet Corvette, like never before. 45 00:03:21,951 --> 00:03:22,994 ♪ Never before ♪ 46 00:03:23,077 --> 00:03:24,579 A Corvette superb and authentic... 47 00:03:24,662 --> 00:03:26,456 [Alite] In the '80s, when all this is going on, 48 00:03:26,539 --> 00:03:29,083 we started buying apartments and property. 49 00:03:29,584 --> 00:03:32,629 And I made all my guys buy brand new Corvettes. 50 00:03:33,338 --> 00:03:35,506 Then they started nicknaming me "Johnny Vets." 51 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:37,842 [man] ...first computer-activated manual transmission. 52 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:42,180 {\an8}We were like a bunch of girls going on a shopping spree. 53 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:49,520 We would go to David Nadler and buy two dozen shirts at a time, 54 00:03:49,604 --> 00:03:51,731 monogram shirts with our initials on it, 55 00:03:51,814 --> 00:03:53,107 $2,000 suits,  56 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:55,777 shoes that were 1,000 a pop. 57 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,823 The money that we spent was ridiculous, on champagne... 58 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:03,743 We would drink Cristal. We drank Perrier-Jouët... 59 00:04:03,826 --> 00:04:04,953 in magnums. 60 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:12,502 But the personal sacrifices, while I'm drinking that champagne, 61 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:13,878 and after I put that glass down, 62 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:16,464 in two hours I'm gonna put on a black outfit 63 00:04:16,547 --> 00:04:20,134 and, uh... go dig a grave somewhere and kill somebody. 64 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:23,805 [man] Early this morning, 65 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:26,975 a man walking his dog found a body lying in the tall grass 66 00:04:27,058 --> 00:04:29,477 by the shore at Ferry Point Park. That's in the Bronx. 67 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,188 Police figured it might have been a gangland rub out. 68 00:04:42,365 --> 00:04:44,575 [man 1] He makes a deal with the guy in Brooklyn, 69 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:45,910 59th and 3rd. 70 00:04:45,994 --> 00:04:48,746 [man 2] What the fuck do you wanna do? Thirty-two thousand... 71 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:54,460 [man 1] The job shows 72 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:58,298 a potential extra of $750,000. 73 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:01,884 [Joyce] We knew we were onto something big with the Mob. 74 00:05:02,927 --> 00:05:07,432 But we weren't getting clear evidence of what this conspiracy was all about. 75 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:13,104 {\an8}We just knew that we had a lot of concrete companies 76 00:05:13,187 --> 00:05:15,189 {\an8}interacting with a lot of Mob families. 77 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:17,317 {\an8}But we didn't know anything about how it worked. 78 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:21,029 The whole idea was to figure out if the Commission, 79 00:05:21,112 --> 00:05:23,072 the bosses of all the families, 80 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:24,991 was a part of the conspiracy. 81 00:05:31,622 --> 00:05:33,916 The Casa Storta restaurant was a meeting place 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,711 for the hierarchy of the Colombo family. 83 00:05:37,628 --> 00:05:39,464 We had the place bugged. 84 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:48,639 One of the things we noticed is Ralph Scopo, 85 00:05:49,515 --> 00:05:52,560 who's not a boss, he's not a capo, he's not an underboss, 86 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:53,770 he's just a soldier. 87 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,189 He's at the table when they're talking about 88 00:05:56,272 --> 00:05:59,400 these controversial conversations over construction. 89 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:17,668 {\an8}I knew Ralph well. Ralph Scopo was actually one of my father's guys. 90 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:20,463 I liked him. Early on, I called him Uncle Ralph. 91 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:21,756 I grew up with him. 92 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,093 He was only a soldier, 93 00:06:25,593 --> 00:06:27,512 but, you know, here's the thing. 94 00:06:27,595 --> 00:06:29,389 If you had a soldier 95 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:31,349 that was making a tremendous amount of money 96 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:34,977 and had a lot of influence, he could be a powerful guy too, 97 00:06:35,603 --> 00:06:37,980 because he had a lot of authority in his own right, 98 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:39,941 because of what he meant to the family. 99 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,944 Ralphie Scopo was that guy. 100 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,739 [Joyce] We discovered Ralph Scopo 101 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:51,661 was the President of the District Council of the Cement and Concrete Workers Union. 102 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:54,997 It was clear to us, at that point, 103 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:57,959 that Ralph Scopo was a key player. 104 00:06:58,459 --> 00:06:59,919 And our surveillance shifted  105 00:07:00,002 --> 00:07:03,131 from the Casa Storta restaurant to Ralph Scopo. 106 00:07:11,597 --> 00:07:14,559 [Joyce] He would go into his office. He'd be in there for about an hour. 107 00:07:14,642 --> 00:07:17,854 And then, like clockwork, he would go back to his car. 108 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:21,023 The contractor would drive up, get out of his car, 109 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,609 jump in Ralphie's car, and they would talk. 110 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:27,905 Clearly, he did not trust his office. 111 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:30,241 He was doing business in his car. 112 00:07:30,741 --> 00:07:34,704 So we get the microphones installed in Ralph's two cars. 113 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,963 [Joyce] You have to remember, Ralph Scopo was the president 114 00:07:44,046 --> 00:07:45,715 of the Concrete Workers Union. 115 00:07:46,424 --> 00:07:48,509 So he controlled the laborers 116 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:51,721 at every construction project in New York. 117 00:07:52,388 --> 00:07:54,765 [vehicle beeping] 118 00:07:55,933 --> 00:07:58,186 [Joyce] Ralph made sure he informed the contractors 119 00:07:58,269 --> 00:08:01,564 what the consequences were if they stepped out of line. 120 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:17,622 [Giuliani] I reviewed a lot of the tapes the day after. 121 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:21,042 As we developed the Commission case, 122 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:25,129 {\an8}we realized that by controlling the construction units, 123 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:28,007 {\an8}the Mafia controlled the entire construction industry. 124 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:44,273 [reporter] The strike has halted one and a half billion dollars 125 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:45,858 in construction projects in the city. 126 00:08:45,942 --> 00:08:48,319 The walkout, which began yesterday, continued today... 127 00:08:48,402 --> 00:08:51,697 {\an8}The Mafia controlled unions to make it impossible for you 128 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:54,200 {\an8}to function and make a profit by going on strike. 129 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:57,870 All of a sudden, you realize it's better to pay these creeps off. 130 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:27,275 [Savarese] Ralph Scopo terrified people 131 00:09:27,358 --> 00:09:29,485 into doing what the Mob wanted them to do. 132 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:34,365 {\an8}We had him on tape talking to the construction company presidents, 133 00:09:34,448 --> 00:09:35,700 {\an8}and reminding them, 134 00:09:35,783 --> 00:09:39,161 {\an8}"You know that guy you read about in the newspaper who was whacked? 135 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:40,663 You know, that was us." 136 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:56,262 And the message, not too subtle, was, 137 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:58,639 "If you don't do what I'm telling you to do, 138 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:01,851 you could wind up like that guy you just read about the paper." 139 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:05,438 [interviewer] You know that one guy fell down the stairs here 140 00:10:05,521 --> 00:10:07,189 and is in the hospital to this very day, 141 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:10,735 and another guy was thrown out a window on the 56th floor. 142 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:12,111 That happened before my time. 143 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:19,160 [Savarese] We had terrific tapes of Ralph Scopo, 144 00:10:19,243 --> 00:10:22,204 but we needed proof that the Commission, 145 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:24,957 the ruling body of the Mob, 146 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:27,501 was at the heart of this extortion. 147 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,800 [Joyce] We had a squad working each of the families. 148 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:37,678 We'd have a meeting of the key agents on the squad, 149 00:10:37,762 --> 00:10:39,930 -and we would compare notes. -[tape deck clicks] 150 00:10:45,728 --> 00:10:47,730 [indistinct chatter on tape] 151 00:10:49,940 --> 00:10:52,568 The squad that was investigating the Genovese family 152 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:55,488 was getting great information about construction 153 00:10:55,571 --> 00:10:58,074 at the Palma Boys Social Club, where Fat Tony hung out. 154 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:08,334 [Joyce] The Gambino squad was getting their information 155 00:11:08,417 --> 00:11:11,128 from a bug they had on Paul Castellano. 156 00:11:14,173 --> 00:11:17,218 [Joyce] Tony "Ducks" Corallo, he's the boss of the Lucchese family. 157 00:11:17,301 --> 00:11:18,386 His car's bugged. 158 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:27,561 All of those were little pieces, 159 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:31,607 little facets of the whole story. And we started putting them together. 160 00:11:39,281 --> 00:11:40,116 [click] 161 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,410 [whirring] 162 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:56,924 -What was that? -[typewriter clacking] 163 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:05,683 [man] Speak now or forever hold your peace... 164 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:09,770 [Joyce] One day, one of the contractors was in the car with Ralph, 165 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:12,773 and he was talking about having a pretty decent sized job. 166 00:12:12,857 --> 00:12:16,736 He says, "Look I've got this job. It's gonna be about a $1.5 million job." 167 00:12:16,819 --> 00:12:17,653 And Ralph says... 168 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:41,469 [Joyce] The club was the key. 169 00:12:41,969 --> 00:12:44,513 In a very short three minute conversation, 170 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:46,891 Ralph laid out the existence of the club. 171 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:53,063 He says, "There's eight... companies that participate in the club. 172 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:58,235 Each of those companies is connected with a Mob family. 173 00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:00,613 Anything over two million 174 00:13:00,696 --> 00:13:04,033 was gonna be allocated to those eight companies, 175 00:13:04,116 --> 00:13:06,118 and no one else could bid." 176 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:12,208 It's fixed. It's fixed. Everything is fixed from the beginning. 177 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:15,085 Everybody knows who's allocated what job. 178 00:13:15,169 --> 00:13:17,755 Let's say its value is really eight million. 179 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:20,841 They would put in their bid for ten million, 180 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:24,762 and all the other companies will put in a bid higher than the ten million, 181 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:27,139 thereby guaranteeing 182 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:29,850 that they would get the job for ten million, 183 00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:32,770 when it really only had a value of about eight million. 184 00:13:32,853 --> 00:13:35,940 So they were making a couple of extra million dollars on a job. 185 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:40,569 And so with all these extra millions of dollars, 186 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:42,905 it was going into the pockets of Mob families 187 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,490 that represented that company. 188 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:47,326 But then we found out 189 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,788 another incredibly important piece of evidence. 190 00:13:58,170 --> 00:13:59,296 [tape whirs] 191 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:09,348 [Joyce] The contractors that interacted with Ralph kicked back two percent 192 00:14:09,431 --> 00:14:11,392 to the Mob families to be divided up... 193 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:14,687 two percent a job. 194 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:17,690 And there's hundreds of millions of dollars of construction 195 00:14:17,773 --> 00:14:19,275 underway at any given time. 196 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:31,412 [Savarese] Stop, think about it. 197 00:14:31,495 --> 00:14:33,873 There are buildings going up all across Manhattan. 198 00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:36,792 Many of these are buildings that we all know. We all see. 199 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,377 They're still there. 200 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,004 And while they were being built, 201 00:14:40,087 --> 00:14:43,674 the Mob had its hand in, collecting its two percent. 202 00:14:43,757 --> 00:14:45,968 [indistinct speech] 203 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:48,721 [distorted clanging] 204 00:14:48,804 --> 00:14:53,559 [distorted speech overlaps with sounds of machinery 205 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:02,693 [Savarese] Every concrete construction job in Manhattan of over two million in value 206 00:15:02,776 --> 00:15:04,570 would pay the Mob. 207 00:15:19,543 --> 00:15:22,296 [Joyce] The concrete club showed up in every conversation, 208 00:15:22,379 --> 00:15:24,590 whether it was in Fat Tony's social club, 209 00:15:24,673 --> 00:15:26,675 or Paul Castellano's wires, 210 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:29,637 or Tony "Ducks" Corallo's wires. 211 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,555 The Commission was always mentioned. 212 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:34,558 The Commission was centrally involved 213 00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:37,478 in every big building going up in Manhattan 214 00:15:37,561 --> 00:15:39,313 for years and years and years. 215 00:15:39,396 --> 00:15:41,190 [man] I told you, I ain't playing around. 216 00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:44,109 [Joyce] We're literally talking a billion-dollar operation. 217 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:48,322 [man] The deal was 400-plus. You gotta put it behind you. 218 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:51,075 [overlapping distorted chatter] 219 00:15:51,158 --> 00:15:54,578 [man] How does the Bronx zoo sound? Aqueduct Racetrack, Belmont, the Coliseum? 220 00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:57,456 [man 2] The first part of the job is 4.8 million... 221 00:16:04,421 --> 00:16:07,967 The concrete club has to have been one of the most audacious schemes 222 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:09,802 that the Mob ever pulled off. 223 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,764 But we can't just win this trial 224 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:17,309 by proving that there's something called the "concrete club" alone. 225 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:20,646 To prove a RICO case, 226 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:25,567 we've gotta connect that Commission to a series of other underlying crimes. 227 00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:30,280 So, to show that they're utterly terrifying people, 228 00:16:30,364 --> 00:16:35,369 we thought that it would be great if we could have something more violent, 229 00:16:35,452 --> 00:16:36,662 more gripping, 230 00:16:36,745 --> 00:16:40,874 more, you know, sort of really grabbing your attention 231 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:42,376 and grabbing the jury's attention. 232 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,254 We were gonna prove a murder. 233 00:16:50,926 --> 00:16:54,179 [Chertoff] The FBI were assigned two agents to be the case agents. 234 00:16:54,263 --> 00:16:59,101 {\an8}The idea was they would be the main point of contact between the prosecutorial team 235 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:00,269 and the FBI. 236 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:03,939 One was Pat Marshall and one was Charlotte Lang. 237 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:09,486 [Lang] When I got there, the FBI was very male-dominated. 238 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:11,780 I think it was 97 percent male. 239 00:17:13,073 --> 00:17:14,825 The supervisor said to me, 240 00:17:14,908 --> 00:17:18,078 {\an8}"I didn't ask for you. I don't think women 241 00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:20,205 {\an8}can work organized crime." 242 00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:23,125 {\an8}He said, "You'll be the only woman on the squad." And I was. 243 00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:27,504 And I thought this must be, "Hi, welcome to New York!" 244 00:17:28,088 --> 00:17:30,132 But then the supervisor told me 245 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:33,594 that he was going to assign me to work with Pat. 246 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:36,764 I would describe Pat Marshall as... 247 00:17:37,514 --> 00:17:40,601 the big brother that anybody would want to have. 248 00:17:43,187 --> 00:17:46,356 [Marshall] Charlotte was a former school teacher, very well-organized. 249 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,401 {\an8}She was my right-hand woman, my friend. 250 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:51,570 What I couldn't figure out, she could. 251 00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:53,280 We work very, very well together. 252 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:56,408 It was our responsibility, 253 00:17:56,492 --> 00:17:58,118 Charlotte's and mine, 254 00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:02,164 to prove the Commission had authorized murder. 255 00:18:03,957 --> 00:18:04,792 So... 256 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:08,295 how are we gonna prove it? 257 00:18:14,343 --> 00:18:17,763 [Chertoff] There was a murder we certainly had good reason to believe 258 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:19,473 was a Commission-ordered hit: 259 00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:21,558 the famous murder of Carmine Galante. 260 00:18:22,059 --> 00:18:23,268 [typewriter clacking] 261 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:36,615 Carmine Galante was rubbed out today as he sat in a Brooklyn luncheonette, 262 00:18:36,698 --> 00:18:39,284 a gangland execution of a man believed to be 263 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:42,746 the most important organized crime figure in the country. 264 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:45,249 Two other people in the luncheonette died as well. 265 00:18:45,332 --> 00:18:47,501 Brian Ross has the gory details. 266 00:18:48,252 --> 00:18:50,087 [Ross] Galante was having lunch in the courtyard 267 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:51,839 of an Italian restaurant in Brooklyn 268 00:18:51,922 --> 00:18:54,508 when five men entered with automatic rifles and shotguns 269 00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:55,634 and opened fire. 270 00:18:55,717 --> 00:18:58,846 Galante and two other men at his table were killed. 271 00:19:00,055 --> 00:19:02,182 [Chertoff] Carmine Galante was a Sicilian mobster 272 00:19:02,266 --> 00:19:05,853 who rose to ultimately control what was the Bonanno family. 273 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,898 Now, there was a lot of informant information 274 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:12,985 that to kill a boss, you needed the permission of the Commission. 275 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,488 [Ross] Galante was resented by other Mafia bosses 276 00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:19,366 because he received so much attention and publicity, 277 00:19:19,449 --> 00:19:21,201 and because he had been too rough  278 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:24,413 in his efforts to become the top man in the American Mafia. 279 00:19:26,874 --> 00:19:29,042 [Lang] When Carmine Galante was murdered 280 00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:32,379 at Joe and Mary's Restaurant in '79 in Brooklyn, 281 00:19:32,462 --> 00:19:34,631 the other four heads of the family 282 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,259 would've had to agree to that murder. 283 00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:40,762 We had to prove that the Commission, 284 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:42,347 the other four Mob bosses, 285 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:44,266 okayed the killing of Galante. 286 00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:51,690 {\an8}[Lang] I spent an afternoon with the medical examiner in New York then, 287 00:19:51,773 --> 00:19:54,860 {\an8}and he showed me the autopsy photos. 288 00:19:54,943 --> 00:19:59,239 Carmine Galante had 84 exit and entrance wounds in his body. 289 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:04,786 Five people participated in that shooting. 290 00:20:08,457 --> 00:20:10,584 [Chertoff] There was a lot of informant information 291 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:14,421 {\an8}that one of the shooters was a guy named Anthony Indelicato. 292 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:19,176 {\an8}The problem is you can't use informant information in court. 293 00:20:19,259 --> 00:20:20,844 So how do you prove the case? 294 00:20:22,429 --> 00:20:25,599 [Childers] Bruno Indelicato, real name Anthony Indelicato, 295 00:20:25,682 --> 00:20:27,559 was a soldier in the Bonanno family, 296 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,604 {\an8}who, shortly after the murder of Carmine Galante, 297 00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:32,856 {\an8}was elevated to the rank of captain. 298 00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:38,153 Bruno was a wild guy known to be sort of a loose cannon, 299 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,906 someone you would look to for violent crime. 300 00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:43,951 When the car pulled away, 301 00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:46,912 there was a woman across the street in an apartment 302 00:20:46,995 --> 00:20:48,372 who heard the shots, 303 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:51,166 saw the car, and wrote down the license plate number. 304 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,126 She gave it to the police. 305 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,546 The police, within a day or so, found the car abandoned, 306 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:58,882 and they took fingerprints off the steering wheel,  307 00:20:58,966 --> 00:21:00,050 where the driver was, 308 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:05,180 and also fingerprints off the rear door handle in the back seat. 309 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:08,725 [Childers] Indelicato's fingerprints were compared 310 00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:11,144 against the latent print on the door handle. 311 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:13,480 {\an8}No match. 312 00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:19,528 {\an8}It was run against everyone who could be thought of as a possible suspect. 313 00:21:22,614 --> 00:21:23,782 There was no hits. 314 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:31,039 With no fingerprint hit, there wasn't anywhere else to go. 315 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,917 [traffic sounds] 316 00:21:38,255 --> 00:21:41,967 [Childers] Now, fast-forward to 1984, we had the idea: 317 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:45,053 redo every piece of the investigation, essentially. 318 00:21:47,055 --> 00:21:49,433 {\an8}I don't believe the car was around anymore. 319 00:21:49,516 --> 00:21:50,934 {\an8}But that door handle, 320 00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:54,604 that metal door handle, had been removed from the car 321 00:21:54,688 --> 00:21:56,398 and was still in police custody. 322 00:21:57,816 --> 00:22:00,152 We went to the evidence vault to check it out. 323 00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:06,867 When you look at the door handle, you realize, 324 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:09,619 it's not your fingers that would touch where the print is, 325 00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:11,288 but it's actually your palm. 326 00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:16,460 And so... that's when... it was realized 327 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:19,921 that we need to start running palm prints against these. 328 00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:23,925 Indelicato's palm print was not in police custody. 329 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:27,220 The fingerprint cards they had for him didn't include his palm print. 330 00:22:34,102 --> 00:22:35,687 [Lang] I had to look for Bruno. 331 00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:38,440 We were able to identify, 332 00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:41,193 I think through source information, about this girlfriend. 333 00:22:41,276 --> 00:22:45,113 And she was expected at this clinic on a particular day. 334 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:53,830 We sat there all day waiting, hopefully, for Bruno to show up with the girlfriend. 335 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,961 Of course, they do show up like three minutes before it's gonna close 336 00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:01,671 after sitting there all day. 337 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,423 So we arrest Bruno. 338 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:07,761 Instead of... just doing the fingerprints, we did the whole hand. 339 00:23:07,844 --> 00:23:09,304 It's called a major case print. 340 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,641 We had an FBI agent that was an expert and could determine... 341 00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:16,645 did his fingerprints, palm prints match? 342 00:23:19,314 --> 00:23:20,190 [line rings] 343 00:23:20,273 --> 00:23:21,149 [phone rings] 344 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,277 [Lang] I can still remember Pat-- We were sitting in the squad area 345 00:23:24,361 --> 00:23:25,445 and his phone rang. 346 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,531 [ringing] 347 00:23:29,032 --> 00:23:30,534 And he turned around and he said, 348 00:23:30,617 --> 00:23:33,495 -"It's Bruno's palm print." -Bingo. 349 00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:36,873 {\an8}One hundred percent match. 350 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,500 {\an8}He was one of the shooters. 351 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:44,256 [Chertoff] That was very, very good evidence 352 00:23:44,339 --> 00:23:46,299 against Indelicato for murder. 353 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,802 Now we needed to connect that up, 354 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:51,847 to show the Commission had ordered it. 355 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,561 [Childers] It just so happened, on the day of the murder, 356 00:23:57,644 --> 00:24:01,022 there was video surveillance being done on a social club... 357 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:04,818 in Little Italy, a place called the Ravenite Social Club. 358 00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:09,489 What we had was somewhat unusual on that tape. 359 00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:15,203 Approximately half an hour after the murder, 360 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,539 there is this incredible meeting. 361 00:24:24,671 --> 00:24:28,258 Indelicato and a couple of other people show up. 362 00:24:29,926 --> 00:24:32,929 They are in a very energized state. 363 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,643 [Marshall] The surveillance tape at the Ravenite Social Club 364 00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:41,938 shows Indelicato wearing an open shirt, 365 00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:45,775 and then everybody congratulates one another, hugging and kissing. 366 00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:54,868 [Lang] So here you have a Bonanno member, on the day that the boss is killed, 367 00:24:54,951 --> 00:24:59,164 going over and being congratulated by the underboss of the Gambino family. 368 00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:06,546 [Chertoff] Once you prove that Indelicato was a shooter, 369 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:11,468 the fact that he goes to the boss of another family to be congratulated 370 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:16,056 is very powerful evidence that in fact the Commission did order the murder, 371 00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:19,184 as the rules required them to do. 372 00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:24,356 [Giuliani] This was tremendous evidence. We were getting very close. 373 00:25:24,439 --> 00:25:26,691 I knew what I would need to indict Commission, 374 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:28,902 and I became obsessive-compulsive about it. 375 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:31,696 I always felt like the pinnacle of the case would be 376 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:33,448 proof of a Commission meeting. 377 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:34,658 That's what we needed. 378 00:25:37,702 --> 00:25:40,580 Nobody had ever taken surveillance photographs 379 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:42,791 of a Commission meeting before. 380 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:45,460 [ship's horn blows in distance] 381 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,088 [O'Brien] It was May 15, 1984. 382 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,841 I got a call in the morning from my informant saying, 383 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:56,012 "There's gonna be a Commission meeting." I didn't believe him. This was unheard of. 384 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:57,180 I said, "Yeah right." 385 00:25:57,806 --> 00:26:00,058 He goes, "No, all of the bosses are gonna be there. 386 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:03,270 They're gonna be talking about this concrete club they had going." 387 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:07,440 {\an8}I said, "Alright, if I make a fool of myself, it's your ass." 388 00:26:16,616 --> 00:26:18,285 The bosses of the crime families 389 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:21,454 couldn't afford to get caught meeting together. 390 00:26:21,538 --> 00:26:24,374 They would reconnoiter the area looking for vehicles, 391 00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:25,500 and if they did... 392 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:29,838 they would detect the surveillance team. They would call it off. 393 00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:34,926 So the plan was, if the meeting is gonna be at one o'clock, 394 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:36,386 we're gonna set up at two o'clock. 395 00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:38,805 Don't have to get 'em going in. We can get 'em coming out. 396 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:43,602 I was sitting in the passenger's side of the van I had rented. 397 00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:45,770 Andy was seated behind me. 398 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:49,524 He had a 300 millimeter lens, which he had on my shoulder. 399 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:50,609 [barking] 400 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,864 We sat there, an hour... 401 00:26:56,531 --> 00:26:57,490 two hours. 402 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,374 Andy was starting to doubt they were in there. I said, "They're in there." 403 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:13,423 And all of a sudden, we got 'em... 404 00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:14,341 [shutter snaps] 405 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:18,678 [O'Brien] Fat Tony Salerno, 406 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,389 head of the Genovese family. 407 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,143 Andy was using my shoulder like a tripod, 408 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,438 and I didn't even wanna breathe. 409 00:27:28,521 --> 00:27:30,357 I'm hearing the click, click, click… 410 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,399 [click] 411 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,151 ...of Tony "Ducks" Corallo. 412 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:35,695 I was afraid to even move. 413 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,489 He might get a blurry photograph. 414 00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,076 Gennaro Langella, 415 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,536 acting boss of the Colombo family, 416 00:27:47,207 --> 00:27:50,085 and then Paul Castellano, the boss of bosses. 417 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,258 They're coming out family by family. 418 00:27:58,343 --> 00:27:59,511 This is historic. 419 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,098 This is a Commission meeting, right in front of our eyes, unfolding. 420 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:07,852 They've got all these tapes, but they don't have a meeting. 421 00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,270 This is a meeting. 422 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:12,357 This was the final thing they needed, these photographs. 423 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:22,617 [traffic sounds] 424 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:25,954 [thunder rumbles] 425 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:31,543 [Kossler] There came a point in time where we had enough evidence 426 00:28:31,626 --> 00:28:33,128 to prosecute all the bosses. 427 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:37,590 [phone line ringing] 428 00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:42,887 [Kossler] The decision was made, 429 00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:45,724 that we would make the arrest the following morning. 430 00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:50,937 [phone ringing] 431 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:53,106 I was sitting in my office. 432 00:28:53,189 --> 00:28:54,190 We get a call. 433 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,361 {\an8}It was NBC News. 434 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,238 {\an8}NBC News said they know 435 00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:01,781 {\an8}that we are going to arrest 436 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,701 the bosses of all the Five Families the next morning. 437 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,330 So they're gonna announce that on the evening news. 438 00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:11,124 [overlapping chatter] 439 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:12,834 So this was like six o'clock at night, 440 00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:15,628 and the evening news was gonna be coming on any minute now.  441 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:16,755 [woman] Ten seconds. 442 00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,590 [Kossler] And I knew that once that happened, 443 00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,468 those folks that were to be arrested 444 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,052 would be in the wind. 445 00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,556 So I told my bosses, I said, "I think we gotta go right now!" 446 00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:33,646 [woman] In seven, six, five... 447 00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:34,814 [man] Rollers. 448 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,567 [woman] Stand by, chyrons. Insert. 449 00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:41,196 It was a very high honor to be sent out to arrest the most... 450 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:45,325 powerful mobster in America on the most serious of charges. 451 00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:48,536 Three, two, one... 452 00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:52,290 [announcer] This is NBC Nightly News. 453 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:57,086 Paul Castellano was having dinner. His family was there. 454 00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,589 [announcer] This is NBC Nightly News in New York. 455 00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,803 Told him we had a warrant for his arrest on RICO charges. 456 00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,012 Had to bring him in. 457 00:30:06,679 --> 00:30:08,848 He said, "Can I get dressed first?" 458 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:09,891 "Sure." 459 00:30:10,558 --> 00:30:13,019 When he was ready to go, he put his hands out to be handcuffed. 460 00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:15,104 I said, "Oh, you don't have to handcuff him." 461 00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,900 And, as we were driving in, we had the radio on, 462 00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:22,070 and then it came out on the radio. Breaking news. 463 00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:23,321 [radio squawks] 464 00:30:23,404 --> 00:30:25,031 [man] There's a major roundup underway 465 00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:27,742 of top leaders in organized crime in our area. Top leaders. 466 00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:29,911 First time ever, the reputed... 467 00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:31,704 [O'Brien] And he leaned forward to hear it. 468 00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:32,914 And then they said,  469 00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:35,041 "Paul Castellano, the boss of bosses, 470 00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:36,626 was also taken into custody, 471 00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,461 from the information from the case 472 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,672 that was developed from bugs in his house." 473 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,092 That's when he found out, 474 00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:45,844 by listening to the radio, 475 00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:47,971 that we had put a bug in his house. 476 00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,848 So he goes, "You bugged my house!" 477 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,226 And it was kind of awkward. 478 00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:55,854 I just kind of looked the other way, you know. 479 00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:58,982 I said, "Hey, you know, that's the game we play." 480 00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:00,900 [upbeat music playing] 481 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:03,278 [man] From WNBC-TV, 482 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:08,616 {\an8}this is News 4 New York with Chuck Scarborough and John Hambrick. 483 00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:10,577 Good evening. 484 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:15,373 Tony Ducks, Big Paul, Fat Tony, Gerry Lang, Rusty Rastelli. 485 00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:16,791 A godfather roundup! 486 00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:25,925 [DeVecchio] How often do you send out agents to arrest every boss 487 00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:29,220 in an organized crime family? That was an exciting day in the office, 488 00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:32,348 to see all these guys get arrested and brought in. 489 00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:35,018 Maybe once in a lifetime you have that happen. 490 00:31:35,101 --> 00:31:36,227 Authorities call this 491 00:31:36,311 --> 00:31:39,898 the most important prosecution case ever brought against organized crime. 492 00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:41,774 [Franzese] It was sensational. 493 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:44,777 All the bosses, carted away at the same time. 494 00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:46,195 It was a day that I won't forget. 495 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,949 People wouldn't even dream about this, you know, ten years before. 496 00:31:50,033 --> 00:31:52,702 And here we were in the middle of making history. 497 00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:55,496 The Mafia leaders were rounded up in an overnight sweep. 498 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:58,958 And today, US attorney Rudolph Giuliani announced the indictments. 499 00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:03,671 This is a great day for law enforcement, but this is a bad day, probably the worst, 500 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:04,631 for the Mafia. 501 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,967 [Franzese] I felt terrible. I knew Fat Tony, I liked him a lot. 502 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,971 [reporter] And tonight a man identified as Ralph Scopo... 503 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:14,140 [Franzese] Ralphie Scopo, I knew Ralphie well. 504 00:32:14,223 --> 00:32:15,391 I grew up with him. 505 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:18,186 [Giuliani] This case charges more Mafia bosses, 506 00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:20,396 in one indictment, than any ever before. 507 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,108 [overlapping chatter] 508 00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:26,194 [Alite] When that RICO case first got announced, 509 00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:28,738 we were cursing out Rudy Giuliani like crazy. 510 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:31,824 We don't even know what they were talking about at the time, 511 00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:34,160 'cause we didn't understand the law. It was very technical. 512 00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:36,287 There're a couple of Mob guys who went to the hospital 513 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,539 thinking they were gonna get indicted... [laughs] 514 00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:39,999 ...that we didn't name. 515 00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:41,250 Everybody was worried. 516 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:44,379 All of a sudden, every gangster that couldn't count to ten 517 00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,131 started trying to understand what RICO meant. 518 00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:52,011 We realized this is a law that enables the FBI 519 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:57,225 to gather multiple members of the Mob together in a conspiracy case. 520 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:00,561 So anybody that was from the street 521 00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:02,855 really understood what RICO meant to us, 522 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:05,733 and especially to our bosses of the five families. 523 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:09,404 At least two of them, I know, will be able to post bail immediately. 524 00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:12,949 -[reporter] Is Castellano one of them? -Castellano, yeah, and Fat Tony. 525 00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:21,165 [man] I was Fat Tony Salerno's defense lawyer. 526 00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,210 At the time we met, I was 34. 527 00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:28,381 I was a little bit intimidated to meet with Mr. Salerno, 528 00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:32,719 {\an8}kind of afraid to ask him certain questions, 529 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,930 {\an8}because maybe the answers were something that, uh... 530 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,267 he didn't either want to tell me, or maybe I shouldn't know. 531 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,395 Um... And... he once stopped me, 532 00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:43,604 'cause he sensed that, 533 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,733 and he said, "Listen kid, you can ask me any question you want, 534 00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:48,943 and I will always, always tell you the truth. 535 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,737 Some questions you're gonna ask me, 536 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,656 I won't be able to answer, and I'll tell you I can't answer that. 537 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,784 You take it for whatever it means at that point, 538 00:33:56,868 --> 00:33:58,828 but don't ever be afraid to ask me a question. 539 00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:02,290 [reporter] I asked Fat Tony if he had anything to say about all this. 540 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,125 You have something to say, Tony? 541 00:34:06,085 --> 00:34:06,919 {\an8}[reporter] Thank you. 542 00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:09,047 [reporter] Excuse me. 543 00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:11,466 [Cardinale] Fat Tony was a very kind person... 544 00:34:12,091 --> 00:34:12,925 to me. 545 00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:15,887 Here comes Marcy. I want you to meet her. 546 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:18,473 [woman] Introducing the new Cabbage Patch babies, 547 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,558 the littlest Cabbage Patch kids of all. 548 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:23,936 [Cardinale] My daughter was about two years old at the time. 549 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:28,649 There was a doll that was very famous called the Cabbage Patch doll, 550 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,235 and it was sold out everywhere, 551 00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,905 and my daughter desperately wanted one. 552 00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:37,116 Can't remember how he found that out, 553 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,660 but the next thing you know, he sent a case... 554 00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,414 of Cabbage Patch dolls to my daughter. 555 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,208 [jingle playing] 556 00:34:45,291 --> 00:34:48,252 [man] Cabbage Patch Kids babies, with everything shown here. 557 00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:50,171 Each sold separately from Coleco. 558 00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,591 [man] Castellano left the federal courthouse 559 00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:54,967 in Lower Manhattan tonight 560 00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,428 after posting two million dollars bail money. 561 00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,431 [Giuliani] Paul Castellano walked out, 562 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:04,435 and this reporter from 60 Minutes came up to him, introduced himself and said, 563 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,188 "We'd like to put you on 60 Minutes, Mr. Castellano. 564 00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,525 People have to hear that Giuliani isn't the only word on this." 565 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:12,777 And Castellano went and reached in his pocket. 566 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,655 "I'll be glad to talk to you. Here's my card. Talk to my lawyer." 567 00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:17,198 He acted like a businessman. 568 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,283 Fat Tony walks out of court. 569 00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:24,872 Fat Tony was fat... looked like a Mafia guy. 570 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:28,292 First thing he does when he gets out of court is... puts a cigar in his mouth. 571 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:29,627 [imitates match igniting] 572 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,462 The guy comes up to him, says the same thing. 573 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,464 He says, "You're a reporter? 574 00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:36,634 Then go F yourself. 575 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:38,928 Just go F yourself, I don't talk to no reporters." 576 00:35:39,011 --> 00:35:41,848 And he walks off. [chuckles] It was a difference between two men. 577 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:45,768 One was totally pretentious, and Fat Tony knew exactly who he was. 578 00:35:52,024 --> 00:35:55,528 [Cardinale] One of the things that came across in representing Fat Tony 579 00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:59,824 was the notion that this group was essentially its own government. 580 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:04,996 They did not play by the rules of the-- 581 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,374 what the, say, United States government rules were. 582 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:11,085 They had their own law and order and justice. 583 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,462 And that's what they live by. 584 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,648 [reporter] It happened in the middle of the evening rush hour 585 00:36:32,732 --> 00:36:34,525 on a crowded Midtown street. 586 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,278 I was sitting in my office, 587 00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:38,863 at the US Attorney's Office, 588 00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:42,491 writing the government's response to a variety of motions. 589 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:47,538 [reporter] Two men were apparently shot, either getting into or leaving the car. 590 00:36:48,623 --> 00:36:51,292 I happened to be playing in a basketball game. 591 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,295 [reporter] One of the men appeared to have been a driver. 592 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:56,964 The keys were only several inches from his hand 593 00:36:57,715 --> 00:36:59,550 All of a sudden, our beepers were going off. 594 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,136 My secretary walks in and hands me a note. 595 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,931 [reporter] Both men appear to have been shot in the head, 596 00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:08,476 shot gangland execution-style on the street. 597 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,271 I remember one of my colleagues running down the hall saying, 598 00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:14,357 "Big Paulie was just whacked!"   599 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:16,984 Shit. 600 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:28,663 [reporter] It is a historic event in the history of the Mob. 601 00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:31,958 You are looking at the body of Paul Castellano. 602 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,170 [Kossler] We got into cars and drove up there. 603 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,129 It was mayhem. 604 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,423 There were people everywhere, all over the street. 605 00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:40,508 The street was closed. 606 00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:44,095 Castellano's body was laying with his head in the gutter. 607 00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:46,722 This was really significant in that he was 608 00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:49,976 the boss of one of the largest families in the Mafia. 609 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:55,022 [reporter] Witnesses said that Castellano was sitting in his limousine 610 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:59,819 when three men in trench coats walked up, started shooting, and they made a getaway. 611 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,991 The atmosphere was very tense. 612 00:38:06,659 --> 00:38:08,536 I knew it was coming, for a while. 613 00:38:11,747 --> 00:38:14,792 Castellano's rule is, like most bosses, 614 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,168 don't deal drugs. 615 00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:19,255 If I find out about it, 616 00:38:19,338 --> 00:38:21,424 you're gonna be killed for dealing drugs. 617 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,095 {\an8}Angelo Ruggiero, John Gotti, and myself 618 00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:27,471 {\an8}were all moving drugs. 619 00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,059 Angelo Ruggiero and John Gotti realized 620 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,104 that Angelo had been caught on hours 621 00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:38,858 and dozens of wiretaps in his house, 622 00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:40,651 discussing the drug business. 623 00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:46,198 In our life, in the Mob world, 624 00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:50,036 when you, uh... break a rule, your life is ended like that. 625 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:51,454 [static] 626 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,553 [Alite] Gotti and Ruggiero understand 627 00:39:07,636 --> 00:39:10,890 that if Castellano is in those tapes at the trial, 628 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:12,308 they're dead. 629 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:13,309 [tape deck clicks] 630 00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:16,562 They had to hit him first. 631 00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,814 Law enforcement officials are wondering this morning 632 00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:21,567 whether the murder of the country's top Mob boss Monday 633 00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:24,028 was the first salvo in a new gangland war. 634 00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:26,989 And they're looking for this man, John Gotti. 635 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:39,585 [O'Brien] I felt bad because the whole object of my case 636 00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,545 was to put Castellano away. 637 00:39:44,548 --> 00:39:47,385 There's a strange bond that sometimes exists 638 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:50,596 between law enforcement officers and criminals. 639 00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:56,352 They both live by codes of honor and respect 640 00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:58,771 more stringent than most normal people. 641 00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:01,690 And there's a certain psychological connection there. 642 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:06,612 I heard him on the mic for 600 hours, 643 00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:08,572 for a four, five-year period. 644 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:09,990 I felt like I knew him. 645 00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:14,245 It wasn't supposed to end this way. He's supposed to end up in federal prison. 646 00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:21,252 {\an8}[DeVecchio] It was frustrating to learn he had been killed 647 00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:24,588 just for the reason that... he was the boss of bosses. 648 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,551 I would much rather have seen Castellano convicted, 649 00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,219 rather than ending it that way. 650 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,974 Paul Castellano was a very, very important defendant to us. 651 00:40:35,057 --> 00:40:39,061 We had fantastic tapes from his kitchen in Staten Island. 652 00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,480 He was a reigning boss, 653 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:44,942 and we very much wanted him to be a defendant at trial. 654 00:40:45,025 --> 00:40:46,861 So it was both a shock, 655 00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:48,737 and in some ways frustrating, 656 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:51,532 that we did not have a chance to bring him to justice. 657 00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:57,371 It certainly increased the pressure on all of us as a trial team, 658 00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,749 because the press and the whole country were watching New York. 659 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:07,715 Tonight we begin with an NBC News exclusive. 660 00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:11,093 The godfathers of the New York Mafia are in big trouble. 661 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:15,306 This was billed as probably the biggest organized crime case ever. 662 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,309 The federal government is trying to prove there are five men 663 00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:21,520 who were the alleged bosses of New York City's five crime families, 664 00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:23,147 and they comprised a commission. 665 00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:26,275 They are charged with a wide range of strong-arm tactics, 666 00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:30,613 including infiltration of New York City's high-rise construction industry. 667 00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:34,492 This case was a media circus, no question about it. 668 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:37,161 Dare we hope that this is the beginning of the end for the Mob? 669 00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,538 Hopefully, with an organization like the Mafia, 670 00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:42,374 we will wear them down. I think this is a perfect time to crush them. 671 00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:46,337 Rudy did rather love being in front of the cameras. 672 00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:50,508 Some of your critics have accused you of being a publicity hound. 673 00:41:50,591 --> 00:41:52,343 Uh... How do you plead to that charge? 674 00:41:52,426 --> 00:41:55,930 I plead not guilty to the charge, certainly with the way it's characterized. 675 00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:58,474 [Savarese] Did we tease him a little bit? 676 00:41:58,557 --> 00:41:59,391 Sure. 677 00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:00,851 It was a running joke 678 00:42:00,935 --> 00:42:03,729 among all the assistant US attorneys. 679 00:42:03,812 --> 00:42:08,317 Being the the Mob buster was a big part of his persona. 680 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,196 You can almost regard it as a hidden tax. 681 00:42:12,279 --> 00:42:15,366 [man] Giuliani and other officials say the tax is exacted every time... 682 00:42:15,449 --> 00:42:18,452 [Cardinale] The government will do whatever they can to win the case. 683 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,707 Including in that is to make sure the publicity permeates the public... 684 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,668 A major racketeering trial in New York. 685 00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:29,088 [Cardinale] ...so that the jurors are fully aware 686 00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:31,215 of the most nefarious aspects 687 00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:33,926 that Giuliani could put in the press. 688 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:37,680 It's outrageous that that kind of thing happens in our society 689 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:39,557 [man] The public must understand, they say, 690 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,060 that these men are gangsters and murderers who steal from everyone. 691 00:42:44,728 --> 00:42:46,939 [Childers] This clearly was the biggest thing 692 00:42:47,022 --> 00:42:48,566 I would ever do professionally. 693 00:42:48,649 --> 00:42:50,568 [Giuliani] Young lady, let us through. 694 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:55,114 So there was a certain amount of pressure. 695 00:42:56,031 --> 00:42:57,575 I had just turned 29. 696 00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:01,203 John had also just turned 29. 697 00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:02,663 And Mike was 30. 698 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,084 I'm sure in some quarters, there were people questioning, 699 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,421 "Really? These three kids are going to try this case?" 700 00:43:10,504 --> 00:43:12,214 All my guys were incredibly young. 701 00:43:12,298 --> 00:43:15,301 That's all you get. They don't pay any money in the US Attorney's Office. 702 00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:19,179 None of us had ever tried a case of this magnitude before. 703 00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:21,390 When you think about it, it's a little crazy, right? 704 00:43:21,473 --> 00:43:23,225 The United States is entrusting 705 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:27,563 essentially three novices with this momentous case. 706 00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:29,815 And all of a sudden, 707 00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:34,570 we're up against these terrifying, formidable Mob figures. 708 00:43:35,696 --> 00:43:38,157 [reporter] Are you confident at all about the charges? 709 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:46,248 [Savarese] Just before the trial began, I proposed to my wife, 710 00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:47,541 and she was nervous. 711 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:49,168 She kept asking me 712 00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:53,547 about whether I was gonna come into any kind of harm or danger. 713 00:43:54,131 --> 00:43:56,717 Uh, fortunately, knock on wood, I never did. 714 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,135 But others around me did. 715 00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:04,350 [Giuliano] One day, US Marshal came in my office and said, 716 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:07,728 "We have a documented threat from the Mob," 717 00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,438 to kill... my wife. 718 00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,570 And they taught me and my chief assistant how to use a gun. 719 00:44:17,154 --> 00:44:18,280 [typewriter clacking] 720 00:44:27,623 --> 00:44:29,583 [Chertoff] Once the jury was finally seated, 721 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,710 my job in the opening statement was to give them 722 00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:35,589 a road map about what they're gonna hear and explain it in context. 723 00:44:37,716 --> 00:44:38,967 "Members of the jury, 724 00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:43,138 Mafia families have a single overriding purpose: 725 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:47,851 to make money using corruption, fear, and violence. 726 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:53,232 The Cosa Nostra and Commission 727 00:44:53,315 --> 00:44:56,777 are not words that are coined or made up by the government. 728 00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,948 These are words these defendants used themselves. 729 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,743 And you are going to hear them use those words on the tapes 730 00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:06,870 with your very own ears." 731 00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:12,042 For a criminal trial in the United States, 732 00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:15,045 the US Constitution says the jury has to be unanimous, 733 00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:18,215 so you've gotta persuade all 12 jurors. 734 00:45:20,634 --> 00:45:24,012 [Cardinale] If we could just convince one or two of those jurors, 735 00:45:24,096 --> 00:45:25,723 we would essentially win the case.  736 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,770 [Savarese] When the trial is underway, you're watching the jury like a hawk. 737 00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:35,065 You wanna see what their body English is like. 738 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:37,151 Do they seem to be paying attention? 739 00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:40,946 [Chertoff] Are they understanding the evidence? What's interesting to them? 740 00:45:41,029 --> 00:45:43,115 So you can calibrate your presentation. 741 00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:47,369 [Lang] The forewoman of the jury 742 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,788 was a very elegant woman who wore this gold cross. 743 00:45:51,623 --> 00:45:55,919 And then this young, very attractive, red-haired woman was in the front row. 744 00:45:57,171 --> 00:45:59,548 And there was an elderly woman. 745 00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:03,594 I said to Pat, "Wait till she starts listening to some of these tapes." 746 00:46:03,677 --> 00:46:06,597 Because it's difficult to understand what was going on. 747 00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:11,977 The judge directs that the jury will listen. 748 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,353 They put on their headphones. 749 00:46:18,692 --> 00:46:23,906 [indistinct speech] 750 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:34,333 [indistinct speech] 751 00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:37,044 [Lang] It seemed like the elderly woman 752 00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:40,798 was straining to understand what was going on. 753 00:46:41,507 --> 00:46:46,762 [indistinct speech] 754 00:46:49,515 --> 00:46:51,433 [Savarese] Get down to the bottom of the page. 755 00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:55,979 [man] You look at it as a big corporation. You're running a big corporation. 756 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:05,197 When we saw all 12 jurors turn the page at exactly the right moment, 757 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,698 we just looked at each other like, 758 00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:10,035 "Yes! They're following. They're paying attention. 759 00:47:10,118 --> 00:47:11,745 They're hearing what we've heard." 760 00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:18,752 [man] For several weeks, a federal jury has been sifting through tape recordings. 761 00:47:18,836 --> 00:47:24,132 The vast majority of this case is built on, uh, tapes of the defendants 762 00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:26,760 talking about their criminal activities. It's from those tapes... 763 00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:28,679 [Alite] Everybody followed the Commission trial, 764 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,639 especially if you were a street guy. 765 00:47:30,722 --> 00:47:34,685 When we were sitting around the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club, 766 00:47:34,768 --> 00:47:39,147 we were saying it's illegal, it's this, like we were Harvard grads. 767 00:47:39,231 --> 00:47:44,403 But in reality we understand that we've got serious problems now. 768 00:47:44,486 --> 00:47:46,280 [man grunting] 769 00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,373 [Cardinale] The government did have some pretty strong evidence. 770 00:47:56,456 --> 00:47:58,292 The head of the Lucchese family, 771 00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,795 Tony "Ducks" Corallo, there was a bug placed in his car. 772 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:20,772 [Cardinale] There were conversations about cement trade in New York. 773 00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:37,831 [Cardinale] On one of the tapes, Fat Tony remarked 774 00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:43,128 that he had just seen a cement truck drive down Second Avenue with-- 775 00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:46,131 The name on the truck was something he didn't recognize, 776 00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:51,428 and he wanted to know who had guts enough to drive a truck through Manhattan 777 00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:56,141 that was affiliated with a company that he wasn't aware of or didn't control. 778 00:48:56,224 --> 00:48:58,226 So it was that kind of tape 779 00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:02,272 that was kind of difficult for us to get around, if you will. 780 00:49:03,148 --> 00:49:05,317 We knew we were in for a rough ride. 781 00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:19,790 [typewriter clacking] 782 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:27,756 The strategy that I employed was to do everything we could to... 783 00:49:28,423 --> 00:49:33,428 win the so-called sex-appeal parts of the case... 784 00:49:33,512 --> 00:49:37,474 uh, the violence that they threw in gratuitously, the Galante murder. 785 00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:43,105 Anything that the government can do to get an edge, they will do. 786 00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,566 If anyone thinks this is fair and they're trying to do right is wrong. 787 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:47,818 They're there to win the case. 788 00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:50,904 It was very dramatic,  789 00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:52,280 it was very violent, 790 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:56,994 and it was what was put in there only to get the jury's attention. 791 00:50:00,455 --> 00:50:01,707 [Chertoff] At the point in time 792 00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:05,502 when we started putting evidence in about the Galante homicide, 793 00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,964 the world changed for Bruno Indelicato inside that courtroom. 794 00:50:14,636 --> 00:50:19,307 The reason Bruno Indelicato, a lower-ranking member in the Mob, 795 00:50:19,391 --> 00:50:23,311 was a defendant in the case is because he was a gunman 796 00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:28,316 in the murder of Carmine Galante, and the Commission authorized that murder. 797 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,155 He was a person who took the orders and carried out the Commission's bidding. 798 00:50:35,157 --> 00:50:40,704 Now, all of a sudden, he's very agitated, squirming in his chair, 799 00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:44,666 understanding that no, this isn't something he's going to skate on. 800 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:45,667 All of a sudden... 801 00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:47,836 it's real for him. 802 00:50:49,921 --> 00:50:52,132 I guess it got to be too much for him. 803 00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,926 Indelicato sprang to his feet 804 00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:56,303 and yelled at me, 805 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,972 "What are you doing? You're not playing fair. 806 00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:00,766 I know who you are. 807 00:51:00,849 --> 00:51:02,059 You can't do this crap." 808 00:51:04,644 --> 00:51:07,856 That's the first time I ever had a murderer actually threaten me. 809 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:13,820 The marshals immediately grabbed him, put him back into the holding cell 810 00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:15,405 in the back of the courtroom. 811 00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:18,742 Lunch happens. 812 00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:22,079 Indelicto comes back out, comes over to me and says, 813 00:51:22,162 --> 00:51:25,415 "Mr. Childers, I want to apologize. I was out of line." 814 00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:28,251 My best guess as to why 815 00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:30,629 there was the change of heart in Indelicato 816 00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:33,840 is that he was back there in the holding cell 817 00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:36,802 with "Fat Tony" Salerno, the boss of the Genovese family, 818 00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,763 and Carmine Persico, the boss of the Colombo family, 819 00:51:39,846 --> 00:51:42,891 and they're on trial for their lives also. 820 00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:45,477 And they outrank him. 821 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,230 And I would think that they would've said, 822 00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:52,692 "Hey, idiot, what the hell are you doing? 823 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:54,444 We don't need any more problems." 824 00:51:56,738 --> 00:52:00,158 [Cardinale] Gil Childers was brought in to present that case. 825 00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:04,454 And he did it with great fanfare and big blow-up pictures of Galante 826 00:52:04,538 --> 00:52:08,166 with the cigar in his mouth and his eye hanging out and bullet holes all over him. 827 00:52:09,042 --> 00:52:12,087 But all of the violence really had nothing to do with this case. 828 00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:16,133 The government's theory was there's a rule, 829 00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:20,053 and the rule is you can't hurt your boss unless all the other bosses agree. 830 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:21,930 The "Commission" has to agree. 831 00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:26,977 My argument was that Fat Tony was not the boss of the Genovese family 832 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:30,021 when Galante was murdered. Somebody else was. 833 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,983 So Fat Tony really had nothing to do with it. 834 00:52:36,027 --> 00:52:38,822 If we could just convince one or two of those jurors, 835 00:52:38,905 --> 00:52:41,950 Fat Tony had nothing to do with the Galante murder, 836 00:52:42,033 --> 00:52:43,743 we could win the case. 837 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,670 [Savarese] Everyday, you're on edge. You're in court. 838 00:52:53,753 --> 00:52:56,131 Then at night, you're preparing for the next day. 839 00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:58,717 And then all weekend you're preparing for the next week. 840 00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,926 So you're exhausted. 841 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:03,972 So, by the end, we felt good that we had made our case, 842 00:53:04,055 --> 00:53:05,015 but you never know. 843 00:53:05,515 --> 00:53:08,351 And then the jury goes off, and they deliberate. 844 00:53:08,435 --> 00:53:09,811 [typewriter clacking] 845 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,282 [ticking] 846 00:53:26,578 --> 00:53:28,914 [Childers] You've done everything you could do. 847 00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:30,707 You now realize 848 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:34,294 that everything now rests in the hands of 12 people 849 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,256 whose names you don't even know, 'cause it was an anonymous jury. 850 00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:45,722 A defense attorney only has to convince one person, 851 00:53:45,805 --> 00:53:48,225 and, of course, prosecutors have to convince 12. 852 00:53:56,441 --> 00:54:01,071 [Savarese] The clock is kind of ticking in your brain as each day goes by. 853 00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:04,491 And you're wondering to yourself, "What are they thinking? 854 00:54:04,574 --> 00:54:06,618 Are they leaning our way? Are they not? 855 00:54:06,701 --> 00:54:07,535 Who knows?" 856 00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:18,755 [Giuliani] I was worried about someone getting to the jury because... 857 00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:21,591 in the history of Mob cases, they reached somebody. 858 00:54:28,807 --> 00:54:32,852 [Savarese] The way the Mob can undermine the jury process is by getting to a juror. 859 00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:35,021 It's effectively corrupting a juror 860 00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:39,776 to hold out and refuse to vote in favor of conviction. 861 00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:48,827 [Lang] What is going on here? 862 00:54:52,831 --> 00:54:55,041 [man] No verdict yet in the Commission trial. 863 00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,961 Jury wrapped up four days of deliberating. They go back to work tomorrow. 864 00:55:01,673 --> 00:55:03,383 [Cardinale] The longer a jury stays out, 865 00:55:03,466 --> 00:55:06,553 the better you feel that at least there may not be a conviction. 866 00:55:06,636 --> 00:55:08,263 This is not a runaway. 867 00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:15,312 [Giuliani] I was 100% percent confident when it started. 868 00:55:15,395 --> 00:55:18,273 By the fifth day, I was less sure of the verdict. 869 00:55:20,025 --> 00:55:21,318 If we fail at this... 870 00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:24,070 ooh, it could set us back 30 years. 871 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,282 [ticking continues] 872 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,336 [Lang] I thought, "I can't believe we've done all this work, 873 00:55:39,419 --> 00:55:41,087 and this is gonna go down the tubes." 874 00:55:44,257 --> 00:55:46,259 [Chertoff] My unit chief said to me, 875 00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:48,845 "You should write two statements for the press: 876 00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:51,848 one if we convict and one if there's an acquittal." 877 00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,184 I said, "I can't do that. I'm gonna jinx myself." 878 00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:57,270 She said, "You have to do it." So I gritted my teeth and I did it. 879 00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:10,575 And then we got a call. 880 00:56:14,746 --> 00:56:16,956 [Savarese] The jury had reached a verdict. 881 00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:20,126 It was like a circus in there. 882 00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:24,714 Everybody showed up. I mean, it was standing room only. 883 00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:27,675 [Savarese] We could barely get into the courtroom. 884 00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:31,137 And I remember saying, "Hey, we're the prosecutors. 885 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,555 We've gotta get in there." 886 00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:38,561 [DeVecchio] The culmination of years of hard work, 887 00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:40,647 my whole squad, came down to this. 888 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:45,777 You don't want to screw this up. 889 00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:47,362 You don't want to be the guy 890 00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:50,740 who is known as the person who let the Mob bosses off. 891 00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:56,663 [Lang] The jury comes back. 892 00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:59,374 You're looking at them all because you're trying to read their faces, 893 00:56:59,457 --> 00:57:01,376 like what the hell's going on here. 894 00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:06,840 [Chertoff] You're sitting there, literally with your heart in your mouth. 895 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,469 I had my hands on my lap 896 00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:13,596 and I was saying, like, a prayer. 897 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,306 And Pat reached out, 898 00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:17,517 and he squeezed my hand, and he goes, 899 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,852 "Here we go, pal." 900 00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:32,365 Guilty. 901 00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:37,704 -And it was guilty, guilty, guilty. -Guilty, guilty. 902 00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:40,290 Guilty, guilty, guilty, 150 times. 903 00:57:40,373 --> 00:57:42,041 She looked over at us. 904 00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:44,878 She smiled and she went... Just like that. 905 00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:46,838 It's the way she nodded her head. 906 00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:52,552 Good evening. A major blow for the men who rule the Mafia. 907 00:57:52,635 --> 00:57:56,097 Eight mobsters, including three Mafia godfathers, 908 00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,349 were found guilty of serving as Commission members. 909 00:57:58,433 --> 00:58:01,269 This verdict means the death of the old school Mob leadership 910 00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:02,645 in New York as we knew it. 911 00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:06,816 I think it's gonna take a long time to replace the kind of network 912 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:07,901 these men put together. 913 00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:11,321 [Savarese] My God, we did it! 914 00:58:13,156 --> 00:58:16,576 [chuckles] After all this work, all those sleepless nights, 915 00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:18,286 all those ruined weekends, 916 00:58:18,369 --> 00:58:20,705 we were finally getting what we had fought for. 917 00:58:22,248 --> 00:58:25,793 These people who were untouchables their entire lives 918 00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:28,087 are now gonna be brought to justice. 919 00:58:28,171 --> 00:58:30,673 It was, uh... It's an incredibly moving time. 920 00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:33,760 Every single defendant was convicted on every single count, 921 00:58:33,843 --> 00:58:36,930 and I think this is a great day for law enforcement 922 00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:39,307 and for all those who've been in pursuit of organized crime. 923 00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:40,558 Some have lost their lives. 924 00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,979 [man] The top bosses of the Mafia were given 100 years in prison. 925 00:58:45,063 --> 00:58:47,607 One hundred years for Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno... 926 00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:50,151 [Alite] For us, it was devastating. 927 00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:56,074 When Giuliani brought this war into effect against gangsters, 928 00:58:56,157 --> 00:58:57,325 it was the plague. 929 00:58:57,909 --> 00:59:00,537 Nothing worse than this could ever come in existence 930 00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,539 against street guys in the Mob world. 931 00:59:02,622 --> 00:59:07,085 [man] The FBI now counts 500 Mafia convictions in the last three years, 932 00:59:07,168 --> 00:59:09,087 and it says more cases are coming. 933 00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:13,967 [Franzese] This was the first time in history anything like that was done. 934 00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:17,512 And you know it really, really put the icing on the cake for me. 935 00:59:17,637 --> 00:59:19,514 I said, "When they can start doing that, 936 00:59:19,597 --> 00:59:22,308 this life is in real trouble, real trouble." 937 00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:25,520 [Kossler] I was elated. 938 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:30,733 All the hard work that we put into this and all the time away from home 939 00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:34,112 and all the sweat and tears and then it came to fruition. 940 00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:38,283 [DeVecchio] This was the culmination of, as far as I was concerned, 941 00:59:38,366 --> 00:59:39,659 everything I had worked for. 942 00:59:39,742 --> 00:59:42,328 Twenty some-odd years of working organized crime in New York. 943 00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:44,205 It was one of those thrills of a lifetime. 944 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:49,043 [Lang] I said, "Pat, it's like being in a Broadway show, 945 00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:50,253 and the show is over. 946 00:59:51,212 --> 00:59:53,006 So now what are we gonna do?" [chuckles] 947 00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:59,220 [woman] We have come to know the face of Rudolph Giuliani, 948 00:59:59,304 --> 01:00:02,140 a steady presence in the morning papers and evening news. 949 01:00:02,223 --> 01:00:05,393 More than any other US attorney for the Southern District of New York, 950 01:00:05,476 --> 01:00:08,479 Giuliani has sewn himself into the fabric of this city. 951 01:00:08,563 --> 01:00:11,774 His most recent Mafia busts resulting in death threats... 952 01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:16,154 [Giuliani] As an Italian-American, I'm absolutely proud 953 01:00:16,237 --> 01:00:19,073 to be the man who helped to destroy it and who led the effort. 954 01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:21,909 Rudolph Giuliani has officially jumped into the race for mayor 955 01:00:21,993 --> 01:00:25,496 at the place where two other Republicans started their successful campaigns. 956 01:01:02,617 --> 01:01:05,119 As we wrap up this series, it's interesting to note 957 01:01:05,203 --> 01:01:06,579 that for law enforcement officials, 958 01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:10,041 the questions tonight are who will the next generation of bosses be, 959 01:01:10,124 --> 01:01:12,835 and what kind of shadowy crime game will they play? 960 01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:15,088 [sirens wailing] 961 01:01:20,885 --> 01:01:22,887 {\an8}[intense music playing] 81726

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