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There was
a composite picture
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in the paper
of the suspect.
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I looked at it
over and over and over again.
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I was really gripped by fear.
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I couldn't let it go.
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So I took the picture
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and went down to my friend
and showed her,
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and we both were
kind of stunned
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by how much
it looked like Ted.
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So she and I called
the police anonymously
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from a telephone booth
and asked them,
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did he have a watch
on his right arm?
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Because Ted wore his watch
on his right wrist.
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And they said, well,
nobody's reported that.
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So we asked them, is the
Volkswagen really bronze?
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Because his car
was very dull brown,
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and they said yes,
it was bronze,
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so it was like,
that's not my Ted, then.
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After I
took my friend home,
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I went over to Ted's house.
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And we laid on his floor
and talked,
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and he was just Ted.
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I felt crazy, like,
why would I even think this?
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'Cause I'd had four years
with this man.
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I knew that he wasn't capable
of doing these things.
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And yet...
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It turns out
that he was.
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It was some
grouse hunters.
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They were hunting
grouse in the area,
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and they found one of
the skulls there.
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With the proximity
to the sammamish park,
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I felt that it was definitely
going to be something big.
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I had been a lifeguard
at that state park
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for three years,
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and had lived very close
to where the crime scene was,
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and so I knew that area
extremely well.
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Both ott and naslund,
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the two women that were
taken from lake sammamish,
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were found there.
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We had them
on their hands and knees,
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shoulder to shoulder,
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going through weeds
in the grass.
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With Janice ott,
we found her lower jawbone,
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so we knew that was her.
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And with Denise naslund,
we found her skull
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and her jawbone,
so we knew that was her.
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We found four
different femur bones.
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So who were the other two?
We didn't know.
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We suspected that it
might be georgann Hawkins.
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But we had not other
identifiable parts.
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Ted
had moved to Utah.
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He was going to law school
at the university of Utah.
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We were trying to have
a long distance relationship.
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Even though I was
still suspicious of him,
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I liked being around him because
he was just his regular self
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and my fears
would dissipate.
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I really wanted him
to ask me to go with him,
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and it was really unclear
about whether we were going to
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move together or not.
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And so things were just...
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They felt out of step.
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Newswatch 2
at 6.
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I was
a reporter at kutv,
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the nbc station
at that time.
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I was the first female
television reporter there.
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Standby, here we go.
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I spent
my life in Utah
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pushing into
a male-dominated world.
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Let's see.
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I didn't focus
on the fact that I was
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the only female out there.
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What am I saying?
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I loved my job
more than life itself,
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and I just put my head down
and did my job.
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Heavy snow
landed on travellers
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in the midwest.
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Got a couple of
months with real heavy snowfall.
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We had a number
of ball games today.
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This is sandi gilmour,
newswatch 2.
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Barbara Grossman,
newswatch 2,
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at the salt lake
hall of justice.
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For a female
to come out and have
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as visible of
a job that I had
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and obviously wasn't mormon,
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with the last name
of Grossman,
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it was challenging.
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Our reporter
Barbara Grossman has covered...
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When senator
Hubert Humphrey came to town
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there was a
press conference,
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and I kept trying
to ask my questions,
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and the male reporters there
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wouldn't let me
interject my questions.
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And after a while
senator Humphrey
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stopped the press conference
and said,
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gentlemen, I'm going
to teach you a lesson,
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and that is women
have the same rights as men.
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So you all need to sit down
and let this young lady
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ask her questions.
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I mean, I always knew
in my heart I was equal,
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but boy, that
gave me ammunition.
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Thank you
very much Barbara.
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An update
on Utah's drought picture.
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And we'll
have the reasons
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why Utah's humane society
director resigned.
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That's coming up.
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You know, there
aren't a lot of big stories,
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especially back then, that
happened in salt lake city.
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And then it was like,
you know?
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Here we are and girls
are disappearing.
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It seemed to be like
every Friday night.
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There was a pattern,
and people were frightened.
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These girls being
taken off the streets.
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A few weeks after
Ted left Seattle for Utah,
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my friend went home
to visit her parents
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and when I picked her up
at the airport,
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the first thing she said
when she got in the car was,
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I don't want to scare you,
but it's happening
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down there in Utah.
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She heard on the car radio
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the police chief of midvale's
daughter had been missing
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and her body had been
found by deer hunters
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and the abductions
had stopped here.
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There were all
these coincidences.
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It's like...
I couldn't let it go.
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It scared me
out of my wits.
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So the next day I called
king county in Seattle,
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and the detective
who answered the phone
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was really patient,
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because I told him in one
of those big long stings of,
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I know I'm wrong,
but I'm having these thoughts
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type sentences,
and so he just listened.
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And I said, well,
my boyfriend's name is Ted,
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and he drives a Volkswagen,
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and the detective
stopped me and he said,
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you don't mean
Theodore Robert Bundy, do you?
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He said they'd
already looked at him
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and just didn't think he
looked like a good candidate.
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And he said, well,
let's get together
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and talk some
more about this.
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And so I agreed to do that.
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And we went through
the albums that I have
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of pictures of Ted,
and he took a few.
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After I had met with him,
I felt like,
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well, he's the pro.
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He's gonna check it out,
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and he'll give me
the definitive answer.
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So I finally called him
back and asked him
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if he'd had a chance to show
those pictures to the witness.
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And it was like he just
couldn't remember who I was.
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You know, I'd told him
all about our sex life,
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and he just kind of...
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It's like,
who is this again?
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It's like... and to me
it was like the main--
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it was so significant.
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To him it was
just like, who?
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And then he said,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And he said they showed
the pictures to the witness.
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She went through the pile,
said this man was too old.
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We were still together
long distance,
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and I just thought,
you know,
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the police have
checked him out.
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He's not their guy,
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so stop trying to
convict your boyfriend
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is what I was
telling myself.
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She was
my secretary then,
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and so that's when
I got to know Liz
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a lot better than before.
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Once in a while
I would get those signs
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and little traces that
she needed the little bit
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of sympathy and understanding.
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And I would take her
into my office,
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which was next door.
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You say, are you all right?
Are you feeling okay?
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She went so quiet,
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and you could tell that
she didn't want to talk
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and I sure didn't want to pry.
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And so...
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Sad to watch it.
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I do have
pretty good recollection;
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I was probably nine or ten,
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visiting with him in Utah.
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You know, he was
going to law school
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and he had sent me
home early.
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I was really upset with him,
'cause it was out of the blue.
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He said in a way
that, you know,
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I got something
really important to do.
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I really-- yeah, things are
really tough right now.
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And so I dropped it.
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You know,
I figured, well...
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It didn't matter what it was.
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It just upset me that,
you know, shoot, man,
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I was having a good time
here with you, you know?
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I remember
we were at the airport
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waiting to get on the plane;
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we were standing by ourselves
over by a window,
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and I looked over at him,
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and he had this
look on his face.
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He was looking
one direction
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and I was looking
at his profile
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and the side of him,
you know, and...
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I don't think
he saw me looking at him
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'cause he... I can see
this look on his face, and...
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He was horrified
and disgusted about something.
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There was
never any a time
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that he'd ever changed
plans on me like that,
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so extremely.
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I think that he felt
his urges coming on,
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knew he was about
to go murder somebody,
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and he had enough
responsible attitude
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to get me out of the picture
so I wouldn't be...
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Yeah, involved with it.
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I grew up in Murray.
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My grandmother
had a 25-acre farm.
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We just spent
weekends down there,
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and she had a big garden,
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and it was just wonderful.
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We did dangerous things.
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We climbed up in silos
that were really tall
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that we probably
could have fallen off,
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and we went in caves,
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dirt caves that
were in the back,
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down the hill from
my grandmother's house.
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And I never worried
about anyone ever harming US.
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I didn't really
drive in high school.
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I had a older sister
that drove US everywhere
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so it was really nice
to have my own car.
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It was a '74 Camaro.
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It was maroon
with a black top.
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The payments were something
like 63 or 67 dollars a month.
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And I got the car,
and I loved it.
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I thought it was beautiful.
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I was always washing it
in their big long driveway,
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and I just...
I just loved it.
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I had gotten off work,
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and decided i'd
head over to the mall.
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It was dark,
and kind of a drizzly night.
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I came up to a bookstore,
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and that's when
a man approached me.
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I think he introduced himself
as being a police officer,
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and his name was
officer roseland.
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And he said, is your
licence plate number...
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And he read off
my license plate number.
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I said, yes, that's
my license plate number.
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And he said, we caught someone
trying to break into your car.
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He asked me if I could
go out to the car with him
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and see if anything
had been taken.
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We got out to my car
and I opened the door
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and I could see
nothing was missing.
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At that point
I could kind of smell
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alcohol on his breath.
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I said, dp you have some kind
of ID or something I can see?
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I... just wasn't really
sure about him.
254
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But he showed me
some identification.
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I probably was
trying to be nice.
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I was trying to
do the right thing,
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and I was trying
to be a good person,
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and he was
an authority figure.
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He said they've taken him
down to the police station.
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If you could come down
and fill out
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this complaint against him,
we have him.
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So I said I would.
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We walked over to his car,
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and it was
a beat-up Volkswagen.
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Right when I was in the car,
I knew I had made a mistake.
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Suddenly he just
pulled the car over
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and it kind of went up
on the side of the curb
268
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and that's when I started
absolutely freaking out.
269
00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,810
I remember screaming at him,
what are you doing?
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This isn't
the police station.
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What are you doing?
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And he wasn't
saying anything.
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He wasn't answering me,
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and I could tell
he just changed.
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I remember him
pulling out a gun
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and him saying to me,
I'll blow your head off.
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And I remember thinking,
go ahead.
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I'm... I'll die
right here.
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I think back then
you were told
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not to fight off
your attacker.
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If you were being raped,
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if you tried to fight him off
it'd make him mad.
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Just to, you know,
let it happen.
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And I was angry at him
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for him thinking he could
do something like that to me.
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And I remember thinking,
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my parents are never gonna
know what happened to me.
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I might've never
been found.
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I just-- that was
my feeling was to fight.
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And I just had to get away
with all my strength.
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I opened the passenger side
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and just fell out onto the...
To the street
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and he came out after me
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out the passenger side.
295
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I remember feeling
a crowbar in his hand--
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he was trying to hit me
over the head with it--
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and struggling for a while,
298
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and then a car came along.
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I ran out into the street
300
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and just threw open
their door,
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00:15:30,847 --> 00:15:33,887
and just jumped in on him.
302
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,353
I really don't know
how I got away.
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00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:37,814
I was so small,
304
00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,904
and I just think
I had this strength
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00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:45,070
that just came from somewhere
to get away from him.
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00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,043
Debi was attending
a play with her family
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at viewmont high school
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on the night of
November 8th, 1974.
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She left the play early
to pick up her brother
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at an ice rink.
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Debi never got to her car.
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00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,514
The hardest part,
as Mrs. Kent says,
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00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:06,546
is the heartache
of not knowing.
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00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:12,354
Bountiful
was a very safe spot.
315
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:14,019
I grew up in that area,
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00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:18,307
and it was a great place
to have a family.
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I had never stopped to think
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00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:22,646
that something bad could happen
to anyone that I knew.
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00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,856
I was teaching
dance, English.
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00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:33,736
I was involved with all of
the extracurricular activities.
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00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,075
We were doing a musical
production of the redhead
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00:16:37,122 --> 00:16:39,332
and I was helping the kids
in the dressing rooms,
323
00:16:39,374 --> 00:16:42,384
then I would run out and
take care of the ticket office.
324
00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:44,749
And just right inside
of the front doors
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to the auditorium,
326
00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:49,009
I noticed a man
standing over against
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00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,180
what was the office
at that time,
328
00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:55,519
out of place for bountiful,
very well-dressed.
329
00:16:55,557 --> 00:16:58,477
He came out into the middle
of the hall and he said,
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00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:02,438
has anybody ever told you
you have beautiful eyes?
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00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,980
I remember he put
his hand up and he said,
332
00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:10,405
I need somebody to come out
and identify this car.
333
00:17:10,447 --> 00:17:12,817
Have you got just a second?
334
00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:17,786
His eye contact made me
very uncomfortable,
335
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:20,369
and I had never been
in the presence of anyone
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00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:23,285
that made me feel
that way before.
337
00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:25,174
And I said,
if you need some help
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00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:29,381
I will go get some boys or
some men to come and help you.
339
00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,974
And he said, no, no, no.
Don't need that.
340
00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:37,771
And, um, left.
341
00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:39,807
And when I got back
to the dressing room
342
00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:43,981
our vice principal was
at the back of the stage,
343
00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:47,152
and I said, there's
a guy standing out here.
344
00:17:47,192 --> 00:17:50,572
Something's a little bit fishy.
Don't know what it is.
345
00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:54,072
And he said, I'll check it out
and see if he needs something.
346
00:17:54,115 --> 00:17:56,525
I said, I'd appreciate that.
347
00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,456
And later when
I was sitting in the auditorium
348
00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:03,708
and he came back in,
and when I saw this
349
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,710
little girl get up and exit,
350
00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:11,933
well, all of a sudden
he stood up and walked out.
351
00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:16,386
I never put
the two together.
352
00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:22,020
The story
I remember the most
353
00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,150
and the one that-- I hope
I can keep my composure--
354
00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:28,228
is the mom, belva Kent.
355
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:32,284
She turned the porch light
on that night,
356
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,740
and every night,
357
00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,530
hoping to bring
her daughter back home.
358
00:18:36,574 --> 00:18:38,704
Those are the things that...
359
00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:40,203
That's just one family.
360
00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:43,365
Think about all the other
families he ripped apart.
361
00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,754
Nighttime at
the kents' home in bountiful,
362
00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,002
this front porch light
burns for debi.
363
00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:50,464
Mrs. Kent vowed when
her daughter disappeared,
364
00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:54,465
I'll turn the light off
only when debi comes home.
365
00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,549
Michael rawson,
newswatch 2, bountiful.
366
00:18:57,595 --> 00:19:01,465
Because
the situation with me
367
00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:08,056
ended the way
it did that night...
368
00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:13,026
A little girl was murdered.
369
00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:18,579
And every day of my life
for at least the next 20 years,
370
00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,786
I felt such guilt.
371
00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:25,867
If I had just done it
a little bit differently,
372
00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:30,035
debi Kent would
still be here.
373
00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:33,796
I don't think you
get over that.
374
00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:46,939
On January 12th, 1975,
375
00:19:46,978 --> 00:19:49,768
caryn Campbell disappeared
from the wildwood inn.
376
00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:51,154
Earlier that
Saturday evening,
377
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,030
caryn Campbell sat
with her fiance,
378
00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,317
Dr. Raymond gadowski,
in front of a fire
379
00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:57,321
in the lobby of
the wildwood inn.
380
00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:59,623
About 8 o'clock in the evening
she caught the elevator
381
00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:01,617
to the lobby
to the second floor.
382
00:20:01,659 --> 00:20:06,409
That was the last time
gadowski saw her alive.
383
00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:09,956
I concluded
that someone
384
00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:13,881
had approached her
with some ruse,
385
00:20:13,922 --> 00:20:17,132
and she went with them
peacefully.
386
00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:20,135
She vanished,
and, um...
387
00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:25,848
We didn't find her
until February.
388
00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:28,272
Caryn was laying there
totally nude.
389
00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:33,521
She had been... she had
been brutally beaten,
390
00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:39,526
raped, and left
on the owl creek road.
391
00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,833
We didn't have
anything except a dead body.
392
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,041
No evidence
and no leads.
393
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:52,212
The deputy district attorney
came out, he says,
394
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,051
you may never find out
who did this.
395
00:21:03,972 --> 00:21:06,062
The word is that
both you and Seattle police
396
00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,099
are proceeding
on the assumption
397
00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:10,022
that there are more
bodies out here,
398
00:21:10,061 --> 00:21:13,691
that perhaps maybe even all
of the girls might be here.
399
00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,651
We keep finding
more and more every day.
400
00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:17,072
You get in that woods
401
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,440
and you just don't know
what's in there.
402
00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:22,616
It's so thick and it's
so overgrown with bushes
403
00:21:22,657 --> 00:21:25,447
that you could find
anything, you know,
404
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,583
a couple hours from now
or five minutes from now.
405
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,000
It doesn't matter.
406
00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:32,669
Radio check.
407
00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:37,589
I was not allowed
to go to Taylor mountain.
408
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,920
I was told that
because I was a girl
409
00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:44,216
I was not used to
the rough terrain.
410
00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:46,762
And I was a backpacker
411
00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:48,886
and a hiker
and a girl scout.
412
00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:53,899
I wanted to make sure
413
00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:56,068
that if it was
Susan rancourt
414
00:21:56,107 --> 00:21:59,527
that I saw her.
415
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:02,279
I have always...
416
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,991
Carried the guilt that
I couldn't have done more.
417
00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,174
When my sister
disappeared,
418
00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:21,222
my parents worked very hard,
419
00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,877
because there was a long time
where we did not know
420
00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:24,255
what had happened to her,
421
00:22:24,302 --> 00:22:28,012
and they hired detectives
and put rewards,
422
00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:30,636
and my mother really
threw herself into
423
00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,313
anything she could do to try
to figure out what happened.
424
00:22:36,814 --> 00:22:38,484
You know,
it was...
425
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,784
It was hard for US
to even talk about her.
426
00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,238
To bring her up
caused so much pain
427
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,529
for my mother that...
428
00:22:46,574 --> 00:22:51,914
...it's almost like we had to
forget her completely.
429
00:22:51,954 --> 00:22:56,464
You... you can't
remember the good times
430
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,301
because that causes pain.
431
00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:01,957
So you forget.
432
00:23:02,006 --> 00:23:04,296
So my family lost
not only my sister,
433
00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:07,352
we lost memories,
434
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,516
because we couldn't share that
because it was too painful,
435
00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,727
so there was a hole.
436
00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:17,478
There was a hole bigger
than the loss of my sister;
437
00:23:17,522 --> 00:23:21,982
it was the hole of the
happy times of my family.
438
00:23:49,846 --> 00:23:52,516
Up on Taylor mountain,
Lynda Ann Healy,
439
00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:55,887
Susan Elaine rancourt,
Roberta Kathleen parks,
440
00:23:55,935 --> 00:23:57,305
and Brenda ball.
441
00:23:57,353 --> 00:23:59,773
And then previously
in September
442
00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:02,444
we identified Janice ott
and Denise naslund.
443
00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,953
So there are six people
definitely identified.
444
00:24:06,988 --> 00:24:08,778
I was just going
to the downtown library
445
00:24:08,823 --> 00:24:11,663
doing research in
the newspaper reading room
446
00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,241
and reading the
salt lake tribune,
447
00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:14,906
and I was stunned
to find out
448
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:17,924
that there... there
had been an abduction
449
00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:19,827
where the woman got away,
450
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,706
and the perpetrator had been
driving a brown Volkswagen.
451
00:24:23,754 --> 00:24:26,424
Well, that was
my worst fear come true.
452
00:24:30,845 --> 00:24:32,175
So I
just fell apart.
453
00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:34,641
I was borderline hysterical.
454
00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:35,732
Called my bishop;
455
00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,346
I'd gone back to church
at that time.
456
00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,443
I was looking for something,
457
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,648
some kind of spiritual peace,
458
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,780
and he said, well you're gonna
have to talk to the police
459
00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,777
and just tell them that
you're continuing to be
460
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:50,110
worried about your friend.
461
00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:53,576
So I called salt lake
and I talked to a detective,
462
00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:56,498
and he asked me, well,
why are you calling now?
463
00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:58,787
He said, we've already
checked him out.
464
00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,041
And he's just
grilling me about
465
00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,093
we've already looked at him.
466
00:25:03,127 --> 00:25:05,087
He's not a good candidate.
467
00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:09,929
So I was just like mortified
when I got off the phone.
468
00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:13,097
I had spent a sleepless night,
469
00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:17,347
and my dad had some contacts
on police forces in Utah.
470
00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:20,351
I felt like as a man
he would be taken more seriously
471
00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:23,734
than I had been taken.
472
00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:25,943
And...
473
00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:27,403
He declined
to get involved.
474
00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:30,493
He said, if you're wrong,
you're gonna ruin Ted's career.
475
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,739
And I said, okay,
and we hung up,
476
00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,993
and we never
talked about it again.
477
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,245
And I think as a parent,
478
00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:39,826
I've thought about this
and I thought,
479
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,632
god, if it was my kid that
called with this crazy talk,
480
00:25:43,668 --> 00:25:45,128
I'd be calling her
the next day
481
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:48,129
to ask her what the hell's
going on, to follow up.
482
00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:51,882
But not my dad.
483
00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,466
I think that my dad
completely discounted
484
00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:55,852
what I was thinking.
485
00:25:55,888 --> 00:26:00,058
I mean, he so liked Ted,
as we all did.
486
00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:03,271
I feel, in hindsight,
that he chose Ted,
487
00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:05,442
and not his daughter.
488
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,950
It was just traumatic.
489
00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,877
The key that happens
is when Ted Bundy
490
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:32,131
is driving through
a salt lake subdivision
491
00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:35,054
and a cop who works in that area
didn't recognize the car,
492
00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:36,604
and thought,
well, that's peculiar,
493
00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,467
and he was pulled over.
494
00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:42,394
And he sees handcuffs,
a ski mask,
495
00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,805
pantyhose with an eye
and nose hole cut out,
496
00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,145
an ice pick,
rope,
497
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,190
and garbage bags.
498
00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:03,332
I ran into Ted's
former landlady in Seattle,
499
00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:05,212
and she told me the
funniest thing happened.
500
00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,669
She said a woman detective
came around
501
00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,250
and was asking
questions about Ted.
502
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:13,046
And by this time
I thought Ted had been cleared,
503
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,550
so the bottom just
fell out of my stomach.
504
00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:23,851
The next day
I called the police and I said,
505
00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:26,313
well, could I speak
to the woman detective?
506
00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,194
And she said,
can you come down here?
507
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,900
And so I left work
immediately
508
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:32,690
and went down
to the police station.
509
00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:33,895
When I
first met Liz
510
00:27:33,944 --> 00:27:37,284
she was concerned, afraid,
511
00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:42,873
an anxious woman
who needed to know the truth.
512
00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:44,792
Because I was working
sex crimes,
513
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:50,960
I could see that it was
a very difficult situation.
514
00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,633
She was talking to the police
about her boyfriend,
515
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,973
about somebody
she thought she loved,
516
00:27:57,009 --> 00:28:01,349
someone that she thought she
was gonna spend her life with.
517
00:28:01,389 --> 00:28:04,179
She was
more empathetic
518
00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:06,685
about how torn I felt.
519
00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:10,057
She seemed to understand
why I was still so conflicted
520
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:14,526
and couldn't really
stick with one viewpoint
521
00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:15,898
for very long.
522
00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:17,945
Well, it takes
a great amount of courage
523
00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:23,238
for anybody to turn in someone
whom they're involved with,
524
00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:25,615
because what if
they're wrong?
525
00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:28,003
She knew that her
relationship with Ted
526
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,500
would change forever
if she reported him.
527
00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:33,955
She started
the interview by saying,
528
00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:36,474
did you know that Ted was
arrested in salt lake city?
529
00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,047
And I said, no.
530
00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:39,342
And she said,
531
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:41,965
do you want to see a picture
of what was in his car?
532
00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:44,562
Everything was laid out
on a flat surface,
533
00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:47,518
and there was a rope
and handcuffs and ski masks
534
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,060
and pantyhose with
eyeholes cut in them.
535
00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:53,694
I mean, it was so far out
of the realm of anything
536
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,862
that had ever happened to me.
537
00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,111
Like, my boyfriend
could be killing people?
538
00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:12,667
I did see that
she was struggling with
539
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:15,630
trying to conceptualize
what was happening.
540
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:17,381
Was her boyfriend a killer,
541
00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:21,013
or was he just in a series
of circumstances
542
00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:25,061
that were coincidences?
543
00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:29,517
She just had to take it in
and really understand
544
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,900
that her boyfriend was
not the man she knew.
545
00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:43,277
I don't remember
who I talked to,
546
00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:44,994
maybe it was
a law official,
547
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:46,544
said that they
had a suspect;
548
00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:50,497
they had caught this person with
all these things in his car--
549
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:54,379
an ice pick,
a crowbar.
550
00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,338
I didn't know if I could
really identify him
551
00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:58,879
from a picture,
552
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:03,053
but I knew if I could just see
him in person I would know him.
553
00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,643
He walked right out
with all the other guys
554
00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:12,654
that were in the lineup--
I knew it was him.
555
00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:15,646
I could tell from his
mannerisms and his walk,
556
00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:17,649
and then when he turned
around and faced me
557
00:30:17,691 --> 00:30:20,401
I knew it was him
immediately.
558
00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:22,824
That the first
personal identification.
559
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,533
We had some guy
out there named Ted
560
00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,083
who was doing
all these things,
561
00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:27,446
but nobody identified him,
562
00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:30,503
but she could identify
him in this line.
563
00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:33,705
My secretary came in
564
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:35,829
and said that there
was a phone call
565
00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:37,996
from salt lake city
police department.
566
00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:43,215
They almost immediately said,
did I know Ted Bundy?
567
00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:46,009
Did I know Ted Bundy?
568
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:49,523
And I don't even know
that I answered the question.
569
00:30:49,557 --> 00:30:53,687
I think it just
so clearly dawned on me
570
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:58,067
that Ted Bundy was the Ted
that we'd been looking for.
571
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,994
And it was as though
an explosion went off.
572
00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:04,818
Um... I just knew it.
573
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,163
You just knew it.
574
00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:08,329
How could you miss it?
575
00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:10,407
How could you not
be aware of it?
576
00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,582
Here's Ted Bundy.
577
00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:16,501
And it had to be
the same Ted Bundy.
578
00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:19,712
How would you feel
if you had hired him,
579
00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,343
you had done a
psychological profile,
580
00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,221
you'd worked with
the police all this time,
581
00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:28,008
and it turns out
to be this person?
582
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,263
How would you feel?
583
00:31:29,305 --> 00:31:32,175
You would feel
like a fool.
584
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,814
To be so involved
in that case
585
00:31:35,853 --> 00:31:39,363
and then have it be
somebody that you knew.
586
00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:40,978
And what makes me
so angry at him
587
00:31:41,025 --> 00:31:45,775
is that he did not do one
positive thing for this world,
588
00:31:45,821 --> 00:31:51,581
and he killed so many
young women who would have.
589
00:33:39,268 --> 00:33:40,978
Detective
Thompson called me
590
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,479
from salt lake city,
591
00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,691
and he said something like,
get ready.
592
00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:50,203
We're gonna arrest Ted
for attempted kidnapping.
593
00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,737
And I just immediately
fell apart
594
00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:55,411
because it was like
my worst fear come true.
595
00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:57,911
Even though I'd had
all of these conversations
596
00:33:57,953 --> 00:34:00,503
with the police,
597
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,039
I was still hoping
that it wasn't true,
598
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,713
and that something, somehow,
599
00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:07,212
would... would prove that.
600
00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,974
I was still going
back and forth constantly.
601
00:34:10,007 --> 00:34:11,217
This can't be true.
602
00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:12,928
He's innocent.
603
00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:16,178
And yet here he was,
going to be arrested.
604
00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:18,141
It's kind of like I froze.
605
00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:21,232
It felt like the bottom
of my stomach fell out.
606
00:34:21,268 --> 00:34:24,978
And... I just
had to tell Molly.
607
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:29,231
I remember
my mom picked me up
608
00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:31,146
at my friend's house
609
00:34:31,195 --> 00:34:33,605
and took me
to this nearby park
610
00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,445
and told me that now
he was being suspected of
611
00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:38,992
attempted kidnapping.
612
00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:41,496
And...
613
00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:46,838
And that mystified me too.
It just made no sense.
614
00:34:46,877 --> 00:34:49,837
And I had such
grief about it.
615
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,340
It was so terrible to see
him accused of these things,
616
00:34:53,383 --> 00:34:56,763
and I thought it was
a terrible mistake.
617
00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:03,596
She loved Ted.
618
00:35:03,644 --> 00:35:05,774
She was really upset.
619
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:10,573
It was horrible.
620
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:12,859
So he started writing
letters right away
621
00:35:12,903 --> 00:35:15,533
when he was in jail
in salt lake,
622
00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:19,372
and asking me
if I would stand by him.
623
00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:21,289
And he talked about
me and my daughter
624
00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,248
being the best thing
that ever happened to him,
625
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,538
and that's what
he really missed.
626
00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:28,092
I felt like he was
manipulating me.
627
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,496
I wanted to say goodbye,
628
00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:33,045
but I didn't really
want to say goodbye.
629
00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:35,050
I thought we were
just locked together,
630
00:35:35,092 --> 00:35:37,392
and it was very
painful for me.
631
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,428
Okay, this is from
October 25th...
632
00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,096
1975.
633
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,774
It's from the
salt lake city jail.
634
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,824
What can I say
except I love you.
635
00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:53,358
What can I do except
want to touch and hold you?
636
00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:56,202
What could I hope for
except to hope that someday
637
00:35:56,238 --> 00:35:58,658
we can be together forever?
638
00:35:58,699 --> 00:36:01,369
I love you more and more
forever and forever.
639
00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:04,040
This I know is true.
640
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,869
God love you
and be with you.
641
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,590
It's
just so intense,
642
00:36:11,628 --> 00:36:13,508
and I... I share those...
643
00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:16,217
I shared those feelings
at that time with him,
644
00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:18,548
so it just made my heart...
645
00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:21,354
It just felt this
heart connection.
646
00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,689
I was
in and out of denial.
647
00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:28,898
There's all these
coincidences,
648
00:36:28,937 --> 00:36:30,477
and then I would think,
649
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,652
no, remember these
good times we've had.
650
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,572
We know who he is;
He's not this person.
651
00:36:36,612 --> 00:36:40,122
So I was drinking a lot
to shut my mind up.
652
00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,881
We had
a relationship with Liz
653
00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:53,339
so that we could call her.
654
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,008
We tasked her with finding
655
00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,797
documents and records
and things,
656
00:36:57,841 --> 00:37:00,971
and also she was
providing US with information.
657
00:37:01,011 --> 00:37:03,971
So she would call US;
We would call her.
658
00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,814
We had a very...
Very cordial,
659
00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,389
almost collaborative
relationship,
660
00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:11,145
but we also recognized that
this was a very stressful
661
00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:15,818
thing for her because she
was still in contact with Ted
662
00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,649
and still in some ways
considered herself
663
00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:22,655
to be his girlfriend.
664
00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,039
I started to see
a psychiatrist and he said,
665
00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:26,497
as long as you're
talking to Ted
666
00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:29,246
and you're seeing
and dealing with the police,
667
00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:32,329
you're gonna have this
mass confusion in your head,
668
00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:35,086
so you're gonna have to
like just stop contact.
669
00:37:35,128 --> 00:37:37,048
And so I told Kathy
that I wasn't gonna be
670
00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:40,129
interacting with
the police anymore.
671
00:37:42,219 --> 00:37:45,349
Ted was on
the phone all the time.
672
00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,809
All the time.
673
00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:50,229
And the realization
came to me,
674
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,268
she's Ted's girl,
675
00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:55,862
and she probably will
always be Ted's girl.
676
00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:59,609
All of those years of this
passionate love between them,
677
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,613
that's why she hung on.
678
00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,986
After seeing what
happened to her
679
00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:10,254
I could never at any point
ever blame her.
680
00:38:13,375 --> 00:38:17,125
It was Ted's parents
who bailed him out of jail.
681
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,840
He had written
an open letter,
682
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,090
which was published
in the press,
683
00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,842
thanking his
many supporters,
684
00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,763
and there were many of them
who came to his defence.
685
00:38:27,222 --> 00:38:30,982
He showed up at our house
when he was out on bail
686
00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:34,518
and he said,
you know, monkey,
687
00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:36,113
if there's anything at all
688
00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:40,068
you'd like to know about
the charges against me,
689
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,320
you can ask me.
690
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,781
I'd be more than happy
to talk with you about it.
691
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:46,912
And I said...
692
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:50,950
Okay, did you do it?
693
00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,076
And he laughed it off.
694
00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:57,383
No, you know I didn't.
Of course I didn't do it.
695
00:38:57,419 --> 00:38:59,299
What did you
think when he said that?
696
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,297
That he didn't do it?
697
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,969
I wanted to believe that.
698
00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,062
You kind of
recommitted to him
699
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,442
in a sense,
didn't you?
700
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,479
I did.
701
00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:17,771
Why
did you do that?
702
00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:19,614
I can't explain it.
703
00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:21,689
I, um...
704
00:39:21,735 --> 00:39:23,945
I mean, I just
looked in his face
705
00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:27,067
and I felt like,
this man is not a killer.
706
00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,735
There's no way
this can be true.
707
00:39:28,784 --> 00:39:31,874
This is... this is the Ted
I've known for so many years.
708
00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:36,122
And I did a complete flip
where I said,
709
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:38,206
well, I love this man.
710
00:39:38,251 --> 00:39:41,131
As long as I can,
I'm gonna be with him.
711
00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:42,171
And we were.
712
00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:45,224
When he was out on bail,
we were together.
713
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,600
There are always
people that don't understand
714
00:39:55,644 --> 00:39:59,154
why people stay
in relationships
715
00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:00,859
that aren't healthy.
716
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,609
I think that it's
very unfair of people
717
00:40:03,652 --> 00:40:07,992
to judge why somebody
does that or doesn't do it.
718
00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:11,791
It might not seem logical
to most people
719
00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,657
but a lot of it
has to do with hope,
720
00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:18,584
that people hope
to the very end
721
00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,625
that their loved one
isn't the person
722
00:40:20,669 --> 00:40:22,749
that's done the bad thing.
723
00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,151
I remember I was
sent over to the courthouse
724
00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:40,606
to cover this.
725
00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:45,147
We knew that we were
involved in something huge,
726
00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,703
but we all couldn't
wrap our heads around it.
727
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:52,827
We were all just...
728
00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:53,948
Really?
729
00:40:53,994 --> 00:40:57,714
It could be this guy
doing that stuff?
730
00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,117
We were afraid
that they would call me
731
00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:01,996
as a witness,
so I stayed in Seattle.
732
00:41:02,043 --> 00:41:03,593
Then he called me and said,
I want you here,
733
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,298
so I flew down there.
734
00:41:06,339 --> 00:41:08,509
I felt like everybody
in the courtroom was...
735
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,840
Had stopped breathing.
736
00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:13,005
I mean, the parents of
some of the abducted women
737
00:41:13,054 --> 00:41:14,564
were there.
738
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:15,848
Ted was nervous.
739
00:41:15,891 --> 00:41:17,731
I mean, it was just a real...
740
00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,977
Waiting for the judge to
come in was just agonizing.
741
00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:27,939
I remember being on
the witness stand for hours,
742
00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:33,576
um... being questioned
by his attorneys
743
00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:38,327
trying to say that I didn't
have the right man, of course,
744
00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:41,121
and how did I know that
he was the right man?
745
00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,416
That I was mistaken.
746
00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,960
Bundy, he was
down there sitting
747
00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:48,514
with a smirk on his face,
748
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,298
always really arrogant,
749
00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:54,102
kind of laughing when
I'd answer the questions.
750
00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:55,507
You know,
we have our theories
751
00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,715
as to how it happened and why
she did make an identification,
752
00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:00,386
but... but I don't conclude
753
00:42:00,435 --> 00:42:02,555
that it was because she got
a good look at her abductor
754
00:42:02,604 --> 00:42:04,484
and was able
to remember him.
755
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,362
I don't think
that happened.
756
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,239
I remember a woman
in the neighbourhood
757
00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:11,657
that I'd grown up in,
running into her
758
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:16,076
and she said, Carol are you
sure you have the right man?
759
00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,037
And I said,
yes, I do.
760
00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,958
And she had daughters.
761
00:42:19,996 --> 00:42:21,246
And I just...
762
00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:24,499
It was just really hard
to deal with.
763
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,052
There was a lot of people
that just couldn't believe
764
00:42:27,087 --> 00:42:29,707
that he could do
something like that.
765
00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,513
There was a...
766
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,393
Kind of a culture
of disbelief.
767
00:42:39,432 --> 00:42:41,602
There were definitely
people that thought
768
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:44,983
that he was being railroaded.
769
00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:48,781
When he was brought
into court that morning
770
00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:51,987
and I found myself
for a brief moment
771
00:42:52,028 --> 00:42:53,948
saying to the guys
who were yelling to him,
772
00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,449
Ted, how many girls
did you kill?
773
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:56,950
What'd you do
with the bodies?
774
00:42:56,992 --> 00:42:58,872
For a brief moment
I found myself saying,
775
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:03,670
hey, guys, innocent
until proven guilty.
776
00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:06,667
Ted Bundy wasn't a
Charles manson type person.
777
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:08,090
He was the guy next door.
778
00:43:08,128 --> 00:43:09,958
He was the guy you'd meet
up at the university of Utah
779
00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:11,085
and have coffee with,
780
00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:13,221
and, you know,
be intrigued by him.
781
00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:17,428
And at that moment
I realized
782
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,970
how so many girls
went with him,
783
00:43:20,015 --> 00:43:22,555
and that scared me.
784
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,850
In a
salt lake city trial,
785
00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:26,733
Bundy was convicted of
trying to kidnap Carol daronch
786
00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,731
from a shopping centre
in Murray.
787
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,653
She managed to escape
from his Volkswagen
788
00:43:30,692 --> 00:43:34,112
and testified
against him at the trial.
789
00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:37,494
There was quite
a stir in the courtroom,
790
00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:44,162
and immediately the guards
came and handcuffed Ted.
791
00:43:44,205 --> 00:43:45,455
I rushed up
and gave him a hug,
792
00:43:45,498 --> 00:43:48,168
but by this time
he was already in handcuffs.
793
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:49,379
He couldn't hug me back.
794
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,419
He just felt
hot and sweaty.
795
00:43:52,464 --> 00:43:54,634
It was incredibly emotional.
796
00:43:54,674 --> 00:43:58,724
I felt like this has been
a terrible travesty of justice,
797
00:43:58,762 --> 00:44:02,392
that this should
not be happening.
798
00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:13,493
I got very, very,
very drunk at the airport
799
00:44:13,526 --> 00:44:17,276
on the way back
from his trial.
800
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,622
Um, in fact,
I got in a fight
801
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,117
with a woman
at the airport bar.
802
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,500
When I got home
I didn't go back to work
803
00:44:24,537 --> 00:44:27,367
because I was just
too, too upset,
804
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,375
and I just could drink 24/7.
805
00:44:36,091 --> 00:44:39,891
The salt lake cops who
had searched Bundy's apartment,
806
00:44:39,928 --> 00:44:41,468
one of the things
the cops found
807
00:44:41,513 --> 00:44:44,603
was Bundy's
credit card receipts.
808
00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:47,521
And when they ran those
credit card receipts,
809
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,980
they found that the killing of
caryn Campbell near Aspen,
810
00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:55,532
Bundy had purchase gas
at the same time.
811
00:44:55,568 --> 00:44:59,948
Bundy would drive, two, three,
four hundred miles,
812
00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:04,489
leaving a trail of gas receipts
to be detected later on.
813
00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:16,336
I looked at them.
814
00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:19,011
When I saw the very
first card on top,
815
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:21,550
it was, there it is.
816
00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:26,064
The credit cards showed US
a real pattern on his driving.
817
00:45:26,099 --> 00:45:29,059
This has really
given me something
818
00:45:29,102 --> 00:45:31,812
to definitively
819
00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:35,475
be able to get him
in or out of this case.
820
00:45:35,525 --> 00:45:37,735
And it put him in it.
821
00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:44,777
Theodore Bundy
is in Colorado tonight,
822
00:45:44,826 --> 00:45:47,196
where he will stand trial
for first-degree murder.
823
00:45:47,245 --> 00:45:49,325
Bundy is accused of
killing caryn Campbell
824
00:45:49,372 --> 00:45:50,672
of dearborn, Michigan.
825
00:45:50,707 --> 00:45:51,997
She was vacationing in Aspen
826
00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:54,711
at the time of
her death in 1974.
827
00:45:57,172 --> 00:46:00,552
We drove up to Glenwood
Springs to interview Ted.
828
00:46:00,592 --> 00:46:02,302
And halfway up,
829
00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,393
we called the station
to check in
830
00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:05,639
and my news director said,
831
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,270
Ted just called, he wants
to cancel the interview.
832
00:46:08,308 --> 00:46:10,018
And we were, I don't
know where we were.
833
00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:12,399
So I... went
to a payphone,
834
00:46:12,437 --> 00:46:13,937
called Ted at the jail.
835
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,400
I said, Ted, we're
halfway up here, you can't...
836
00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,492
Okay, come on up.
837
00:46:24,532 --> 00:46:26,782
Come on guys.
838
00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:28,036
We knew
we had a scoop.
839
00:46:28,077 --> 00:46:30,327
I mean, he did not let
anyone else interview him,
840
00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,831
so that was a big deal.
841
00:46:32,874 --> 00:46:34,924
He had been in
the Utah state prison
842
00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,879
for the kidnapping
of Carol daronch
843
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,300
so he went from this
highly guarded prison
844
00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:41,669
to this country jail.
845
00:46:41,716 --> 00:46:43,426
I mean, if you
look at the footage
846
00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:46,008
and see what it was like...
847
00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:49,644
We were shocked.
We were shocked.
848
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:50,982
First of all,
849
00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,307
I guess I should just ask,
how are you doing up here?
850
00:46:53,353 --> 00:46:54,523
That's a...
851
00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:57,272
That's a short question
deserving a long answer.
852
00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:59,605
I'm doing well.
I feel good.
853
00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:02,571
And... working
hard on my case.
854
00:47:02,612 --> 00:47:04,032
There were so many
different personalities
855
00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,452
that I saw.
856
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,870
The winking, and being
the charismatic Ted,
857
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,540
and, you know,
be on my side,
858
00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:14,829
and I'm not the Bundy monster
that everyone's saying I am.
859
00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,544
I knew what he was trying to do.
He was trying to work me.
860
00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:18,835
There's always one thing
861
00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:20,918
that amazed me-- as you know,
I covered your trial;
862
00:47:20,964 --> 00:47:25,724
when the judge found you guilty
of second-degree kidnapping,
863
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,970
- you never showed any emotion.
- Yeah.
864
00:47:28,012 --> 00:47:29,762
For somebody who
believes he is so innocent,
865
00:47:29,806 --> 00:47:32,016
why was there no emotion?
866
00:47:32,058 --> 00:47:35,438
People say, Ted Bundy
didn't show any emotion.
867
00:47:35,478 --> 00:47:36,848
There must be
something in there.
868
00:47:36,896 --> 00:47:38,856
I showed emotion.
You know what people said?
869
00:47:38,898 --> 00:47:42,188
See, he really can
get violent and angry.
870
00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:43,695
I look back
on that interview,
871
00:47:43,736 --> 00:47:45,486
which was 40 years ago,
872
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:47,410
and I'm a little
angry at myself,
873
00:47:47,448 --> 00:47:50,488
because I find myself
smiling at him,
874
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:52,695
and I was doing that to try
to get into his graces
875
00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:54,865
to try to get
some information out.
876
00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:56,754
The little bit
that I did push
877
00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:58,381
and he started
pounding his chest,
878
00:47:58,418 --> 00:48:00,128
said, I'm not
the Bundy monster.
879
00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:02,709
I mean, that's
how defensive he was.
880
00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:05,295
When we left
I knew it was empty,
881
00:48:05,341 --> 00:48:08,511
but we'd still
gotten the interview.
882
00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:10,893
Convicted kidnapper
Ted Bundy is in Aspen,
883
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,180
arguing a motion relating to
a first-degree murder trial.
884
00:48:14,225 --> 00:48:16,135
The former university
of Utah law student
885
00:48:16,185 --> 00:48:18,435
is defending himself
on charges he killed...
886
00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,269
We had a very attentive
clerk of the court.
887
00:48:21,316 --> 00:48:24,236
She came to US and she said,
he's gonna go escape,
888
00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,197
and I know how
he's gonna do it.
889
00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,907
Bundy would always approach
her about doing xerox,
890
00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:32,788
and the xerox was located
in front of a window,
891
00:48:32,827 --> 00:48:34,947
and he would always
look up and down
892
00:48:34,996 --> 00:48:37,536
the back of the courthouse.
893
00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:39,712
We went right to the
sheriff's office with it
894
00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:42,171
and we've told
them about it.
895
00:48:42,211 --> 00:48:44,421
This is the plan,
and he's got to be watched.
896
00:48:44,464 --> 00:48:45,804
He's going to go.
897
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,300
During a recess
in the hearing
898
00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:49,432
Bundy was allowed to
go to the law library
899
00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:51,549
at the rear of the courtroom
on the second floor
900
00:48:51,596 --> 00:48:54,056
of the pitkin county
courthouse.
901
00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:57,478
There, the unwatched, uncuffed
Bundy went to the window
902
00:48:57,518 --> 00:49:01,608
and leapt two storeys
to freedom.
903
00:49:01,648 --> 00:49:04,228
They just
weren't doing their job.
904
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:08,780
Bundy came here Wednesday
905
00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:11,031
after spending a miserable
night in the rain.
906
00:49:11,074 --> 00:49:13,414
Then last night, Bundy said
he walked into Aspen,
907
00:49:13,451 --> 00:49:14,871
took this car,
which was unlocked
908
00:49:14,911 --> 00:49:16,831
and had the keys
in the ignition.
909
00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:19,081
That's when Bundy
was apprehended.
910
00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:20,463
- Hi, Ted.
- How ya doin'?
911
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:21,460
Good.
How are you?
912
00:49:21,501 --> 00:49:23,461
I'm here.
913
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,259
I was
at my parents' house
914
00:49:34,305 --> 00:49:39,435
for the holidays in Utah,
and Ted called me.
915
00:49:39,477 --> 00:49:41,347
And the first thing
I said to him, I said,
916
00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:42,766
I've asked you not
to call me here
917
00:49:42,814 --> 00:49:44,904
because it just
causes difficulty,
918
00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:46,441
because my parents
didn't like the fact
919
00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,784
that I was still
interacting with him.
920
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:51,740
And he said, well, I just
needed to call you
921
00:49:51,781 --> 00:49:54,781
and tell you I love you
and goodbye.
922
00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:56,196
And I said,
how many times
923
00:49:56,244 --> 00:49:58,874
have we done this
with each other?
924
00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:02,673
So I had no idea
that he was gonna leave
925
00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:04,339
and escape.
926
00:50:04,377 --> 00:50:05,837
Bundy was
being held here
927
00:50:05,878 --> 00:50:07,758
in the Garfield county jail.
928
00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:10,377
The former law student
ripped out a light fixture
929
00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:12,385
and then manoeuvred
himself up through
930
00:50:12,427 --> 00:50:15,507
a 12-inch by 12-inch
hole in the ceiling.
931
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,135
Detective keppel
called me and told me
932
00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:19,851
that Ted was gone,
933
00:50:19,892 --> 00:50:21,942
and told me
if I hear from him,
934
00:50:21,978 --> 00:50:25,188
I'm obligated to
call the detectives,
935
00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,691
and he's dangerous.
936
00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:28,363
Ground units,
helicopters, and dogs
937
00:50:28,401 --> 00:50:30,071
have been searching for Bundy.
938
00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:31,111
Roadblocks have
been set up
939
00:50:31,154 --> 00:50:33,114
around the town of
Glenwood Springs,
940
00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:35,576
and an all-points bulletin
has been issued.
941
00:50:35,616 --> 00:50:37,736
I was mostly afraid
that he was gonna come back
942
00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:41,245
and think that I was gonna
help him remain free,
943
00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:42,619
which I couldn't do,
944
00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:45,165
because that would
put me in jeopardy.
945
00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:47,209
I felt very vulnerable.
946
00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,963
What if I refuse to help him?
947
00:50:49,005 --> 00:50:51,915
Will he kill me?
Will he kill my daughter?
948
00:50:51,966 --> 00:50:55,256
I was starting
to feel afraid.
72107
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