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I let the shit
with the girls eat me up daily.
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They didn't deserve
what the hell they got.
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The girls has...
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pretty much been forgotten
in this town.
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You don't really ever hear
anybody speak of 'em.
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It's like...
they never existed.
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Like they never mattered.
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Killer could be sitting
in front of our face
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all day, every day.
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'Cause...
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...they can kill in this town
and get away with it.
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This is
the Devil's playground...
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and they runnin'
right along him.
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They do what they want
when they want, how they want,
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and nobody tries...
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to stop 'em.
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Well, I came out here
that morning to go fishing.
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And I looked down, and I seen
something in the water.
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It looked like a mannequin.
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Then I seen the flies
alighting on it.
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And I said, "Flies wouldn't be
alighting on a mannequin."
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Then I realized
it had to be a body.
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Loretta Chaisson's
body was found on May 20
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of 2005.
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When deputies first arrived
at the scene, the body was
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more toward the north side
of the bridge,
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closer to where the pylons were.
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'Cause the body was too far
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from the bank to be retrieved,
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they brought the body over
underneath the bridge
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to the south side.
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The reaction to the discovery
of the body was
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very shocking to the community.
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It's not something
you find every day.
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You have homicides--
people are found dead--
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but a body in a canal
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found dumped,
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it's a very tragic,
horrible situation,
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and people were upset.
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They want... they want answers.
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But our-our main concern,
obviously, is to the victim...
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...'cause they need justice.
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Sheriff Ricky Edwards
comes knocking on my door,
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saying that they found
my daughter under the bridge.
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That was the worst feeling
that I ever had.
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Yeah, it's been 13 years
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since they found
my daughter's body,
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and...
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I miss her so much, you know.
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And it still hurts.
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We couldn't...
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start a funeral until
after they did the autopsy.
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It was a closed casket.
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She had been in there,
in the water for a few days,
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and the body
had started decomposing.
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None of us wanted
to see her like that.
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Loretta was married.
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Had two kids.
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She was always about her kids.
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Always had a smile
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on her face and would
never hurt nobody.
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She'd always try to help
somebody before she'd hurt you.
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Between me, Loretta and Nick,
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me and her were the first two,
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and my mom's
first two kids, so...
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we was close.
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I just miss her.
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She was living with us,
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'because...
there were some days
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she would be sober,
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and some days she'll do
her little binges.
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Her and her husband
were split up.
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She felt safe with us.
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Safeness at my house,
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away from everything
she was doing out here.
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So whatever she did out here,
she didn't bring to my house,
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because she was there
spending time with her kids.
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And when she left there,
she did... whatever she did.
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She might've did her drugs
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and this and that,
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but everybody got
some kind of...
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weakness, you know?
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And that was hers.
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Couple of days
before she went missing,
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Loretta asked me
to walk to the bar with her.
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She looked at the bar.
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She-- it looked like
she noticed something.
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And she looked back at me
and she gave me her purse.
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She don't ever give me
her purse.
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She gave me her purse
and told me to put her purse
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at the top of my mom's closet,
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just in case
if anything happens.
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And that's the last time
I seen her.
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'Cause she turned me around
and made me go home.
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One day Loretta
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came to the door,
and she said, "Roxanne,
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I'm tired of living this life.
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I want to raise my children.
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I'm so tired of this life."
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She said, "I'm gonna leave,
and I'm not coming back."
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Three days later, she was dead.
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Before they found
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Loretta's body in the canal,
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I was walking
on the main highway,
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and I've seen Loretta at 66.
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We sat there and we talked,
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and this guy, Frankie Richard,
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pulls up in a big, tan car.
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She gets in the car with him.
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And that was the last time
I ever seen her.
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I didn't...
I didn't know Frankie,
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but I heard rumors
from my uncles
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that he used to supply drugs,
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used to go pick up
a lot of drugs.
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The only thing
I'd ever knew was his name,
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until all this
really started happening.
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Then I started hearing
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about how he was a pimp
in Lafayette
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and he liked telling stories
about what he did,
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and, you know, as far
as when it came to violence.
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But, you know, Loretta
never talked bad about Frankie.
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When she got in the car
with him, she got in the car
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happy with Frankie.
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Frankie Richard? Yeah, I heard
he had a lot to do with it,
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but... that was
just hearsay, you know.
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Frankie Richard
was somebody that was known
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to associate with,
known prostitutes in the area,
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was known to be involved
in the drug world
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in the Jennings area,
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and also had a violent past.
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The investigation
into Loretta Chaisson's death
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was led by
then-Sheriff Ricky Edwards.
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The investigators were able to
discover a lot of information
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about Loretta Chaisson's
whereabouts
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prior to the time
she was found.
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But unfortunately, the...
the critical time of...
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exactly when
this incident happened
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and how she got to the canal
were still questions.
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There have been no arrests made
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in the death
of Loretta Chaisson.
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It's an open investigation.
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Day after the story breaks
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in the Jennings Daily News
that a body's been found,
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the Jennings Daily News
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and the Jeff Davis Parish
Sheriff's Office
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start getting bombarded
with phone calls,
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and it's people asking...
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if there's a serial killer
on the loose.
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Now, only one body's
been found,
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and it-it's being treated
as a homicide,
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but there's not even a cause
of death that's been announced
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or anything like that.
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It's a very weird situation
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to suddenly be getting
all these phone calls,
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and the sheriff, at this point,
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has to issue
a statement, saying:
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We don't have any information
on anything like that.
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It's never really known
where that rumor came from.
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There's one.
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Loretta's body
was found on May 20, 2005.
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June 17...
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a group of froggers goes out.
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To the right.
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Got him.
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It's nighttime.
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They are out there
trying to catch frogs.
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Then suddenly...
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they start to smell something.
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Find another body
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six miles away from
where Loretta was found.
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A man can lose an awful lot
of friends in a rainstorm.
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God.
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The police came here.
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Come through that door right...
through that door right there,
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knocking on the door,
and he said, "Ms. Daniels,
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some frog...
some froggers found a body."
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So, he says, he says,
"That's Jeff... that's Jeff...
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that's Jeff Daniels' daughter."
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And I say, "What?"
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He told me. He said,
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"They were frog...
frog fishing,
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and they found a body."
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They said, "That's Jeff
Daniels' daughter."
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And I said,
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"Lord Jesus."
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He said, "The body must
have been in there
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three or four days."
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The coroner came
over here saying
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that we couldn't see the body
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'cause the body was
too decomposed.
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She was cut in the throat,
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and her hand was all
bruised right there.
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And her face.
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And her face... They say,
it ain't essentially her face.
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Well, not being able
to recognize her.
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Wouldn't, um, wouldn't
be able to recognize her.
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Took three months before
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they find out it was
Ernestine Patterson.
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You know... it-it's been hard.
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This photo is photo from the...
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the sheriff's office.
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It's the only photo
I have of Ernestine.
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And I got...
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It's the only thing
I have of her...
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of a... picture.
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I don't have nothing else
but this.
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When the second body is found,
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it's in an advanced state
of decomposition.
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It takes about two months
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before they can
identify this body,
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and they've got to use
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bone samples to do it,
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before they announce
that the second body is
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Ernestine Marie
Daniels Patterson.
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When the investigation began
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with Ernestine,
the second female,
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there was some concern
in law enforcement,
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because you had
two female bodies
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that were basically
found dumped,
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you know, in-in a waterway,
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which is unusual.
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There's always a thought.
I mean,
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it-it'd be a legitimate thought
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that it could be
a serial killer.
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But the injuries
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to the bodies were different.
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In the case with Loretta
Chaisson, there is not
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obvious type injuries
that you would sometimes find
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that lead you to determine
that a homicide occurred.
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With Ernestine Daniels--
she had sustained
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some incised wounds.
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The type of injuries that
you'd find in some homicides.
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One day,
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Sheriff Ricky Edwards
came over here wanting...
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wanting me to go
up there and talk.
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I'm not going up there
and talk... talk to nobody
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'cause they ain't found out
who murdered her.
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They ain't found out nothing.
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I feel like they don't care.
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They don't care.
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I don't have
no closure, no peace.
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I can't rest at night.
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I don't have
no closure, no peace.
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Jennings is
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just your typical small town.
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Lot of the families
here are second,
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third, fourth generation.
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They...
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Lot of hardworking people.
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Just, good, old
country folks mostly.
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Lot of farmers, ranchers
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that, grow rice, soybeans,
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raise cattle.
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Everybody over here's
related to somebody.
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That's how usually
they start off a conversation
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is trying to identify
what family you're related to
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or... or married into.
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People like to live
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in the area
because it's away
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from the... lot of hustle
and bustle of a bigger city.
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Here it's a little quieter,
little slower pace,
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and people tend to enjoy that.
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Any town...
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has, you know,
their issues.
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We have a lot
of issues with,
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burglaries and thefts.
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Unfortunately,
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for better or for worse,
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you're a small Southern town
whose economy is tied
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to volatile sources--
agriculture and oil--
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so that, when you get a crash,
it just wipes everything out.
272
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Then, on top of all that,
273
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there's a pronounced
economic split in Jennings
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that runs along the railroad
tracks which bisects the town.
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This area here in North
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Jennings-- they're,
you know, doctors
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and lawyers and rich people.
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This is one of the newest
and probably the most expensive
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neighborhoods in the parish.
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From...
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from the railroad tracks south,
it's mostly of lower income--
282
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people that are unemployed,
or...
283
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individuals involved in...
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drug activity.
285
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Where our job comes in is,
we have a lot of issues
286
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where, you know,
287
00:18:59,810 --> 00:19:03,520
addicts take things
to try to...
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00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,520
get money to... to buy
more drugs, you know?
289
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,970
North side is more like...
290
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upper-class snobs.
291
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South side?
292
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The fucking ghetto.
293
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You got the white ghetto,
and you got the black ghetto.
294
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Then you got Zoo Street,
where everything pops off.
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When I mean everything,
everything.
296
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The cops look
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00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:56,520
at the south side like...
298
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...trash.
299
00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:04,390
Like we don't matter.
300
00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:15,100
Two years goes by,
301
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:18,350
and the sheriff's department
was still investigating
302
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:20,520
Loretta and Ernestine's
murders.
303
00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:27,020
I think a lot of people think,
304
00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:28,470
these first two murders
were this unrelated thing,
305
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:30,020
and now they're-they're done.
306
00:20:32,350 --> 00:20:34,470
Things kind of
get back to normal,
307
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:36,890
and people just
think it's over.
308
00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:38,930
And they were wrong.
309
00:20:54,140 --> 00:20:57,350
March 18, 2007,
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a third body is found.
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This time, a lot further out.
312
00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:04,310
We're-we're now
south of Welsh
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and the Petitjean Canal,
314
00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:11,020
and it's such similar
circumstances.
315
00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:13,470
I think everybody
in town is just like,
316
00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:15,470
"What on earth
is going on here?"
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00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:20,140
Police find
very similar hallmarks
318
00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:23,060
to the first two girls,
319
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:25,850
but this body has been in the
water for much longer, however,
320
00:21:25,850 --> 00:21:27,310
and has had more
321
00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:29,430
trauma from marine predators.
322
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And she's found
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mostly nude.
324
00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:40,470
The sheriff's office had
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to use dental records
to identify the third body...
326
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,680
Kristen Gary Lopez.
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00:21:49,810 --> 00:21:52,140
Age 21.
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00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:01,520
Before they had found her,
329
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Kristen was officially
reported missing,
330
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,020
which was so odd.
331
00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:11,720
Everybody that I knew just
thought she was on a bender.
332
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:15,900
You know, it wasn't uncommon
for her to... be gone
333
00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:19,220
for a couple of days at a time,
a week at a time.
334
00:22:19,220 --> 00:22:20,680
Maybe that's why it rubbed...
335
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,310
it was so odd to me
that there was an actual
336
00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:24,850
missing persons report
out on her
337
00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:28,560
when this wasn't uncommon
for her to be gone.
338
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,770
First thing I did
when I found that out--
339
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:32,430
I went to the cops.
340
00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:35,060
I wanted to be a part of it.
You know, I wanted to help.
341
00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:37,390
You know, this is a friend
of mine, my childhood friend.
342
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:40,850
I wanted to... help find her.
343
00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:45,270
So, I threw myself...
kinda in the middle.
344
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:47,390
You know, calling
the detectives,
345
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:49,810
asking, "Is there
anything I can do?"
346
00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:51,350
I don't know.
347
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:55,720
Like, everything surrounding
her death just seemed odd.
348
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:57,150
I knew Kristen.
349
00:22:57,140 --> 00:23:00,850
My mom basically
pretty much raised her.
350
00:23:00,850 --> 00:23:02,850
She was always at the house.
351
00:23:02,850 --> 00:23:04,930
Kristen and I were walking
352
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:07,310
to her grandmother's
house one day.
353
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:10,270
And you can look on her face
and look in her eyes--
354
00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:11,470
something was wrong.
355
00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:13,180
She's doing like this.
356
00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:16,640
Every time she hear
a car, she turned.
357
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,140
I never seen her
that paranoid before.
358
00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:20,850
I said, "Kristen,
you can talk to me."
359
00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:23,850
She said, "But you're not
gonna understand."
360
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:27,770
The closer it came
to her coming up missing,
361
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:30,350
the less she started
coming around.
362
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,100
The last time I seen her,
363
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:37,560
she was in her room sleeping.
364
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,810
I woke her up,
handed her some food.
365
00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:44,390
She said,
"I'll be back, tootie,"
366
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:46,560
and I ain't seen her since.
367
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:51,060
Next time I seen...
368
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:53,140
her face was on the news.
369
00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:57,310
Dead.
370
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,060
Just gone.
371
00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:02,310
Something
I can't never replace.
372
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:05,140
Something I can't ever get back.
373
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:16,640
Kristen was a beautiful girl.
374
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640
You know?
375
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,680
I don't know exactly
376
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,640
who started her...
377
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,430
her on... on-on the crack.
378
00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:29,430
Now, towards the end,
379
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:32,310
I smoked crack
with her, you know?
380
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,310
I know it's not really...
381
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:38,390
It's a shame that
I-I... you know?
382
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:40,680
But they were telling me,
383
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,770
"Why you don't
tell her to quit?"
384
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:44,350
You know?
385
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:45,890
I said, "Well, it's kind of hard
386
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:48,180
for one crackhead to try
and tell another crackhead
387
00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:49,680
not to smoke."
388
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,350
When I'm sitting here smoking.
389
00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:56,100
She got murdered
when she was 21.
390
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,020
Of course at that time there,
I was already incarcerated.
391
00:24:59,020 --> 00:25:00,640
I was locked up.
392
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,720
And she came to visit
with my mom and daddy
393
00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:05,940
on a Saturday.
394
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:09,600
And...
395
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,560
I can remember telling her
396
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,180
before she left
the jail that day...
397
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:18,220
to s-slow her...
398
00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:20,770
"You know, slow down, Kristen.
399
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,060
Do Daddy a favor.
400
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:24,560
Get off of that crack.
401
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,970
Quit it."
402
00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:27,940
I can still see her...
403
00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:30,310
waving in my daddy's...
404
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:33,560
You know, back seat
of the car, waving bye.
405
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:48,640
I grew up with Kristen.
406
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,520
We were close as kids.
407
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,060
Our parents were
real good friends.
408
00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:57,350
My father, he loved Kristen.
409
00:25:57,350 --> 00:26:00,930
You know, Kristen called him
Uncle Billy.
410
00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:06,770
We kinda grew apart
as we grew older.
411
00:26:06,770 --> 00:26:09,770
She was in a...
412
00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:12,220
drug scene and hanging out
with people
413
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:16,100
that I hadn't advanced to yet,
I guess you could say.
414
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:20,430
I was still just smoking weed
and drinking.
415
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:25,140
I didn't know until I was 18
416
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:28,310
that my dad and Kristen's
relationship
417
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:31,890
was more than just
her calling him "Uncle."
418
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:34,720
I walked into my dad's house
one day--
419
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:36,900
I was about 18 or 19--
420
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:39,560
and Kristen's running
from his bedroom
421
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,560
to the bathroom in a T-shirt
and underwear.
422
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,640
Did that anger you
423
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,930
that your father
was having sex with Kristen?
424
00:26:46,930 --> 00:26:48,310
No.
425
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:50,560
It was just-- they're
two consenting adults.
426
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,770
It didn't bother--
You know, it didn't bother me
427
00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:55,890
at all that
they were having sex.
428
00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:58,140
That was just another thing.
429
00:26:58,140 --> 00:26:59,930
I think she was
just embarrassed at it,
430
00:26:59,930 --> 00:27:01,810
'cause I used to pick on her.
431
00:27:01,810 --> 00:27:05,430
I used to tell her...
"What do you call him?
432
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:07,680
Do you say
'Ooh, Uncle Billy'?"
433
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:26,890
My dad.
434
00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:29,020
My dad was an amazing man.
435
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:33,930
Always happy, always trying
to make people laugh.
436
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:36,640
Always cutting up.
437
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,930
He was always my safe...
my safe spot.
438
00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:41,520
You know,
I was a daddy's girl.
439
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,430
He was always a safe place
for me to go.
440
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:49,890
And I believe that
441
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:52,430
a lot of these girls that...
442
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:55,890
went to his house felt
the same way, too, you know.
443
00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:59,600
I know many of the girls
were in and out of his camper,
444
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,470
partying, you know,
445
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:04,180
come and hang out,
getting free drugs,
446
00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:07,430
because that's what
the camper was known for.
447
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:09,890
If you're a woman, you can go
sit in my dad's camper
448
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:12,640
and get all the free drugs
you wanted.
449
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,430
Just come and go as you please.
450
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:17,520
Hang out in my dad's camper
and Frankie'd be around.
451
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:24,470
Frankie is my uncle
and my godfather.
452
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:28,270
Uncle Frankie was, like,
453
00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:30,390
the guy you didn't mess with.
454
00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:33,430
You know,
455
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:35,270
he took care of business,
456
00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:39,020
he was-- he was a badass
back in his day.
457
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,020
A lot of the times,
458
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:49,560
it was mostly family
in there: me, Frankie.
459
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,430
You know, we'd all be
hanging out in there.
460
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:52,890
People come and go.
461
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:54,520
Did you ever think
462
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,680
that was odd that you were
smoking crack with your dad?
463
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Yes, I did.
464
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,560
I always--
I thought it was...
465
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,100
It was odd that I was
smoking crack with my father.
466
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:08,520
He, um...
467
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:11,850
He was a good guy.
468
00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:15,060
I'd like to think my father
was a good guy.
469
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:34,060
So now we're dealing with
470
00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:36,140
three unsolved murders.
471
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:38,060
All of these murders
being very similar,
472
00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:40,930
having a lot of
similar characteristics.
473
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:44,470
Ricky Edwards...
474
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:46,890
starts to-to link these girls
475
00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:49,810
as-as having run with some
of the same crowd.
476
00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:51,430
But something
kind of happens here
477
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:52,970
that-that goes a little further.
478
00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:55,360
Where before Loretta
and Ernestine
479
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:57,350
were definitely linked
with drugs,
480
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:59,020
Ricky Edwards goes
a little bit further
481
00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:01,640
to talk about prostitution.
482
00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:08,850
This article comes out
in the Jennings Daily News.
483
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:10,560
And Ricky Edwards made
a statement saying
484
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,640
that these girls were living
a "high-risk" lifestyle
485
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,020
and that this lifestyle,
contributed to their deaths.
486
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:17,810
And matter of fact, he said,
487
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:20,770
"If you're in this lifestyle,
it's time to get out."
488
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:23,640
And at the time,
when the, when the term
489
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,140
"high-risk lifestyle" comes out,
490
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:26,850
there's all
of these connotations
491
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:29,020
that suddenly spring to mind.
492
00:30:29,020 --> 00:30:33,180
E-especially the idea
that-that these women
493
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:36,220
have chosen
this sort of lifestyle.
494
00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:42,640
The connotation is that
they chose for this to happen.
495
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:46,220
You know, I tried to take
496
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:49,970
Kristen off the street
several times.
497
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:53,570
But drugs controlled
this little girl.
498
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Ricky Edwards telling
the news that it's...
499
00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:58,610
their lifestyle's prostitution.
500
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,020
Well, yeah, let's just say that.
501
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,350
That way
the upper-scale people,
502
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:02,850
you know,
can look at you and say,
503
00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:04,890
"Well, it's their fault."
504
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:09,520
It's sad.
505
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,100
And that's no heart, you know,
that's-that's no heart,
506
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,020
except for-for yourself
and your people,
507
00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:15,680
but who cares
about everybody else?
508
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,430
There were girls again,
south side of the track.
509
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:24,770
Whores and prostitutes
and crackheads.
510
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:28,430
That's how they look at us.
511
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:31,430
What did they do so wrong,
so bad,
512
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:33,850
for them to be murdered?
513
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:48,020
We used to, on Sundays,
we used to come right here
514
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:50,810
while my mom and Loretta
and them was passed out,
515
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:52,600
and I used to sneak
my little sister
516
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,220
and them to church right here.
517
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:58,270
Come on, Sophia.
518
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:06,650
This is the house
we was living in
519
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,140
the night I walked Loretta
to the bar
520
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:11,890
and she gave me her purse
and she--
521
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:13,430
I never seen her again.
522
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:23,430
She knew something
was about to happen.
523
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:27,640
You know,
something wasn't right.
524
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,140
You know.
525
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,810
Every one of these houses
right here,
526
00:32:42,810 --> 00:32:45,350
I guarantee you,
the girls partied
527
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:47,970
in every single one of them.
528
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:53,020
I dream about
the girls sometimes.
529
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:54,600
Mainly Kristen.
530
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,220
Just them telling me
that they're okay.
531
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:59,720
The girls telling me
that they're okay.
532
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:03,070
Kristen came to me in a dream,
told me she was okay,
533
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,680
that everything was fine,
and not to worry.
534
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,520
It's hard not to worry.
535
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,810
You don't know what to do
in this town.
536
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:23,060
Jennings...
537
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:28,390
...basically,
puts a curse on you.
538
00:33:28,390 --> 00:33:31,100
You can't never leave.
539
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,100
Y-You leave, and when you leave,
540
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,520
you come back.
541
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,020
I always said
I wasn't coming back.
542
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:40,890
I done came back 12 times.
543
00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:42,850
For real.
544
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:48,400
Either you're gonna make it,
545
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:51,970
or you're gonna fall
into that grave.
546
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:05,720
On May the 12th of 2007,
547
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:09,690
another body was located
within Jeff Davis Parish.
548
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:24,600
That victim was later
identified as Whitnei Dubois.
549
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,720
Whitnei's body was located
in this general area
550
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:35,900
on Earl Duhon Road, which is
just south of Bobby Road.
551
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,600
The difference
that was noticed at first
552
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,930
was the fact that,
with the other victims,
553
00:34:42,930 --> 00:34:44,600
they had been placed
554
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,470
in water,
555
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:49,810
and Whitnei had been placed
on a roadway,
556
00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:52,850
totally nude and in a location
557
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:55,720
that obviously
would be located by somebody.
558
00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:06,220
Whitnei Dubois was like
the other victims.
559
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:09,560
Also somebody known
to the area and was local,
560
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,970
also had association
561
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:15,440
with other girls
in this circle.
562
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:19,110
Also known to some degree
563
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,640
to have some connection to
prostitution and drug usage.
564
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:29,320
The day...
565
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:31,680
that we found out
566
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,350
Whitnei was dead,
567
00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:38,850
I guess I thought, um,
maybe it's not true.
568
00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:41,180
Maybe...
569
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:44,060
um, maybe it's a mistake.
570
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:46,930
And I said,
571
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:49,020
"We-we need to find out
what's going on."
572
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:51,850
Um, where was she?
573
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:53,680
Um, who did this?
574
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,850
W-We don't know a whole lot.
575
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,060
I think I knew
576
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,850
that Whitnei...
577
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:08,140
would have sold her body,
I guess.
578
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:12,060
But...
579
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,060
she was a kid to me.
580
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:26,220
She was my little cousin.
581
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:29,350
She wa-- I don't want
582
00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:32,220
to think of her that way.
583
00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:36,600
Whitnei was...
584
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,100
beat up.
585
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,560
Her face wasn't recognizable.
586
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
She was found nude
in the middle of the road.
587
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,470
It was s-some drug head
that found her.
588
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:53,520
Jamie Trahan.
589
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,140
The day Whitnei was found,
I remember
590
00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:59,640
him being here,
and him hugging me.
591
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,770
And me thinking,
"W-W-Who is this guy?
592
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:06,930
And what does...
And why is he here?"
593
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:09,060
W-Why would I want him
at my house?
594
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:13,770
But at the time, you want
all the information you can.
595
00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:15,640
But he didn't give us,
596
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,390
apparently, enough information,
and I don't think
597
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:21,270
he gave e-enough information
to the cops.
598
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,020
Jamie Trahan claimed
599
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:30,930
that he had found the body
that morning.
600
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:34,310
But Jamie didn't find
that body right when he did.
601
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:36,270
His-his story was false.
602
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:41,810
I saw Whitnei's body
that night.
603
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:44,180
My ex-wife and I
604
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,430
were celebrating
our anniversary.
605
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:52,390
We had rented a motel room
and we were doing drugs.
606
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:53,890
Jamie Trahan shows up
607
00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:55,180
at-at the hotel,
608
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:56,390
which is my ex-wife's brother.
609
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:58,640
And we smoked some more
with him.
610
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,890
Jamie did a lot of things
for Frankie Richard
611
00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:04,180
to get drugs, to get dope.
612
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:07,020
Later, we take a ride.
613
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:09,970
And Jamie started acting funny.
It's like he had
614
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:11,980
something on his mind,
and he had a mission.
615
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:15,900
As we're taking a ride, we turn
616
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:18,680
off of Highway 102
onto Bobby Road.
617
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,350
And when we turn, Jamie makes
a big, long, wide turn.
618
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:25,850
I looked out, and I could see
what appeared to be
619
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:27,520
a body in the road,
and I told him.
620
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,100
I said, "Jamie."
I said, "There's a body.
621
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,390
We need to stop."
He said, "No."
622
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:31,680
He said, "That's a deer."
623
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,600
The body shone
624
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,390
off the h-headlights
of the truck
625
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:36,810
as he turned.
626
00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:38,850
It was in a...
in a curled up position.
627
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:40,310
Like, her back was up,
628
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:42,640
and you could see, like,
a sheen of wet.
629
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,600
And that's why I knew
it wasn't a deer,
630
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,100
'cause a deer has hair.
631
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,100
This was not a deer.
It-it was a shiny body.
632
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,640
And-and I argued with him
for quite some time,
633
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,220
and we just continued forward.
634
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,720
Later, he went back
to the body,
635
00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:01,030
called the law, and told them
he had just found it.
636
00:39:01,930 --> 00:39:04,390
Which was-- this was false.
637
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:06,430
Jamie put that body there,
638
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:08,060
if you ask me.
639
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:11,060
Now, I don't know that
for a fact,
640
00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:12,560
but he automatically turned wide
641
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,720
and went almost into the ditch
to miss that body.
642
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:16,030
He knew that body was there
643
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:18,060
before he ever turned
on that road.
644
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:55,640
We have been able to identify
645
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,930
through the investigation
over the years
646
00:40:57,930 --> 00:41:02,390
a few people that...
we have concerns about
647
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:04,680
connected to this death.
648
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,100
And we would consider them
persons of interest,
649
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,270
but we haven't
publicly named anybody.
650
00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:12,350
There have been no arrests made
651
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,180
connected to the death
of Whitnei Dubois.
652
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:22,600
So,
with four bodies being found,
653
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,770
I mean, obviously, this is...
654
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:25,140
We'd never seen anything
655
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:26,810
like this sort of situation.
656
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:30,470
It's to the point now
where I'm-I'm in the store,
657
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:33,520
people are stopping me,
asking me questions about it.
658
00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:40,350
People were scared.
659
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:42,640
People were scared because
660
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,930
the girls were being killed.
661
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:47,720
They was just being thrown away
like they was nothing.
662
00:41:47,730 --> 00:41:50,480
It was fucking crazy.
663
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:53,180
When the bodies started...
664
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:54,810
"Here's another one.
665
00:41:54,810 --> 00:41:56,890
Okay, here's another body.
666
00:41:56,890 --> 00:41:59,100
My God,
there's another body?"
667
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:00,430
It's fucking crazy.
668
00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:01,720
It's like...
669
00:42:01,730 --> 00:42:04,400
What the fuck is really going on
in this town?
670
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:08,140
Is there just one person
killing all these people?
671
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:11,560
We didn't let our kids walk
672
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600
to the grocery store anymore.
673
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,890
We didn't let our kids
ride around the block
674
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:18,270
on their bicycles anymore.
675
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:21,680
It got to where
you didn't trust anyone
676
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,220
because you didn't know
677
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:27,020
if-if the person sitting
next to you was a serial killer.
678
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:35,310
Nobody in law enforcement
679
00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:38,890
wanted to say "serial killer"
at the time.
680
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:42,390
And we couldn't get callbacks
from the cops.
681
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:46,770
They-they wouldn't answer
our questions.
682
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:48,600
Did she get in a car
with somebody?
683
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,270
How was she killed?
684
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:52,310
We never...
we never saw her body.
685
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:56,180
It's like they didn't want us
to know anything.
686
00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:57,850
At-at first,
687
00:42:57,850 --> 00:43:00,270
I figured, you know,
they would do what was right
688
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:02,770
and that they were gonna do
the, you know, investigation.
689
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:04,600
Do everything
that they were supposed to do
690
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,640
the right way, you know.
691
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,060
And the people that we spoke to,
692
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:08,930
you know, they sounded...
693
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:13,350
like they were, you know,
headstrong on figuring this out.
694
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:15,720
But then they were all
already trying
695
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:18,110
to pass the buck off
on their lifestyles.
696
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:19,640
Well, every time
we'd try to call,
697
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,970
we'd call the-the sheriff,
Ricky Edwards.
698
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:24,780
He'd say,
"We working on it.
699
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,970
We working on it.
Don't have no answers yet."
700
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:29,780
As a homicide investigator,
701
00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:33,270
it's really hard not to have
answers for family members.
702
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:35,640
And they call you,
703
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,270
and you don't have answers
for 'em.
704
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:42,020
Lot of stuff
that people have no idea
705
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:44,890
how much work was done
and what was done.
706
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:46,470
We can't discuss all that.
707
00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:54,930
When I was incarcerated,
708
00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:56,640
well, when they all come in,
709
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,640
they tell me to come
to the office back there,
710
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,810
I knew... they was there
to tell me somethin'.
711
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:08,890
Well, it would happen
712
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:10,560
they think they know who did it.
713
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,020
Bam! Arrest her.
714
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:16,180
Suddenly,
715
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:19,430
right on the heels of Whitnei's
body being discovered,
716
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:21,520
the sheriff's department
arrests two people
717
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,470
for Kristen's murder.
718
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:27,430
I remember that day.
719
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:28,930
It was...
720
00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:31,850
the scariest...
721
00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:35,430
most insane part of my life.
722
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:37,720
I called one of the detectives
to let him know,
723
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:40,730
"Hey, look,
I'm going out of state
724
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:44,030
to my boyfriend's
grandma's house.
725
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:45,770
We're going
on a little vacation.
726
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:47,930
May not have service up there,
727
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:50,890
but, would it be okay
if I called y'all
728
00:44:50,890 --> 00:44:53,770
when I get service to see
if y'all have any updates?"
729
00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:57,060
And he was like,
"Yeah, that's fine. Whatever."
730
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:59,560
And next thing I knew,
that same night,
731
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,390
he calls me on my cell phone.
732
00:45:01,390 --> 00:45:02,680
He's like, "Hannah, we're here.
733
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,020
Can you please come outside?"
734
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:07,640
Sorry.
-That's okay.
735
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,680
It's okay.
736
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,770
They arrested me
for second-degree murder.
737
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,310
The sheriff's department
738
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:27,270
arrests Hannah Conner
739
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:28,680
and her uncle,
740
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,770
Frankie Richard.
741
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:32,220
Frankie Richard was somebody
742
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:35,470
that most people knew
to be involved in drugs,
743
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:37,020
and had a very...
744
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:38,270
violent past.
745
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:41,390
Thirty years ago,
746
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:44,390
Frankie owned a lot
of strip joints.
747
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:46,350
He had all these strippers
working for him,
748
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,100
prostitutes,
and he would bring them home
749
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,270
and brag about how he would
trick them out for dope.
750
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:53,470
Frankie took pleasure
in telling the stories
751
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:56,810
of the things that he did
to the people he did it to.
752
00:45:56,810 --> 00:45:59,600
No,
there was no remorse in Frankie.
753
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,470
H-He, at one time,
754
00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:03,430
seemed to be involved
755
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:06,600
in harming people if they need,
you know, to be harmed.
756
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,270
He would do it for a fee.
757
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:14,520
He's a... he's a person
758
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,970
that we had dealings with a lot
759
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:19,530
in law enforcement.
760
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Frankie said himself
in interviews that he was...
761
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:24,610
knew all of 'em, you know.
762
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,270
Partied with them.
763
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:28,390
Basically,
764
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:32,560
Kristen, Loretta, Whitnei,
they all
765
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,930
hung around with Frankie.
766
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:36,100
Frankie sold drugs.
767
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,020
If they couldn't get it
from somebody,
768
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:39,220
they got it from him.
769
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:40,810
They would party together.
770
00:46:40,810 --> 00:46:42,600
They would hit licks together.
771
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Kristen would go with him
numerous times to hit licks.
772
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,390
As in tricks
773
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:48,680
at the Budget Inn.
774
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,810
Frankie's scary.
775
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:53,350
He's a very intimidating man.
776
00:46:53,350 --> 00:46:54,850
Police didn't
immediately link Frankie
777
00:46:54,850 --> 00:46:56,520
to the-- any of
the other murders,
778
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,310
though, even at that point,
779
00:46:58,310 --> 00:47:00,560
you were starting to hear rumors
on the street
780
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,470
that Frankie had killed
all these girls.
781
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:05,680
Guilty for-- if not
for all of them, for some.
782
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640
My sister.
He put my sister in there.
783
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,970
I know he did.
784
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:10,440
I want to get him
to be locked up
785
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:12,180
in that pen, that cell
786
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:16,890
and let him do day
for day for day.
787
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:29,680
I think the quick arrest
of Frankie and Hannah
788
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,220
went a long way
to sort of quelling
789
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:34,220
some of the fears in town.
790
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:37,930
People think that this is over,
and the general idea of fear,
791
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:39,560
whatever there was,
792
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,140
just sort of subsides.
793
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,890
And then, suddenly,
a couple of weeks later,
794
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:55,060
Frankie and Hannah are cleared
795
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:57,060
of any criminal charges
in the case.
796
00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:02,600
But this is not something
that was publicly known.
797
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:06,930
It wasn't like
a press release came out.
798
00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:10,720
Like, it happened very quietly.
799
00:48:12,310 --> 00:48:15,270
They arrested him,
had him in custody already,
800
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:17,930
pinned the charge on him
for murder,
801
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:21,100
and then all charges
are dropped.
802
00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:25,470
No one could understand
why they did that.
803
00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:26,930
It just looked real bad.
804
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:29,020
It doesn't make any sense.
805
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:37,640
Our Father, who art in Heaven,
hallowed be Thy name.
806
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,560
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done
807
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,390
on Earth as it is in Heaven.
808
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:43,640
Give us this day
our daily bread
809
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,350
and forgive us our trespasses
810
00:48:45,350 --> 00:48:48,720
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.
811
00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:50,780
And lead us not
into temptation,
812
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:53,100
but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
813
00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:57,310
We want to see justice.
814
00:48:57,310 --> 00:48:59,600
We want peace to be brought
to the families.
815
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,600
To finally know
816
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,270
that they do care about
what happens in this town.
817
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:08,970
Took my baby girl away.
818
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:11,480
He killed her like an animal.
819
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:15,140
Sheriff Ricky Edwards
didn't step up to the plate
820
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:17,890
when he should've
stepped up to the plate.
821
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:20,060
You had him locked up.
822
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:22,430
But they turned him loose.
823
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:26,770
But his name
keeps coming back.
824
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,970
Frankie Richard,
Frankie Richard.
825
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:34,820
To this day,
he's still a free man.
826
00:49:34,810 --> 00:49:37,350
You still see him around town.
827
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:40,180
Head up, he-he don't look
like he's sorry for nothing,
828
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:42,100
but I know he's guilty.
829
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,850
Lord, promise me,
when they die,
830
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:48,970
they going to hell.
831
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,680
I did not...
832
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,430
have anything to do
833
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:11,720
with any of them girls' death.
834
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:16,150
These girls lost their lives
835
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:20,350
because they seen something,
836
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:22,180
heard something,
837
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:27,020
knew something that they was
not supposed to know.
60915
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