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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,733 --> 00:00:07,736 I pledge allegiance to the flag 2 00:00:07,736 --> 00:00:10,238 of the United States of America 3 00:00:10,238 --> 00:00:14,242 and to the republic for which it stands, 4 00:00:14,242 --> 00:00:16,744 one nation, indivisible, 5 00:00:16,745 --> 00:00:19,748 with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:40,401 --> 00:00:41,902 Following the bitterly contested 7 00:00:41,902 --> 00:00:43,904 25th republican national convention, 8 00:00:43,904 --> 00:00:45,906 which saw General Eisenhower 9 00:00:45,906 --> 00:00:47,407 win over Senator Taft on the first ballot, 10 00:00:47,408 --> 00:00:49,410 a tumultuous convention greets the nomination 11 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:53,914 of the general, who's become Mr. Eisenhower. 12 00:00:53,914 --> 00:00:56,416 With his running mate Richard Nixon, 13 00:00:56,417 --> 00:00:58,919 he'll face democrat Adlai Stevenson 14 00:00:58,919 --> 00:01:00,420 in the november election. 15 00:01:00,421 --> 00:01:02,423 We like Ike! 16 00:01:02,423 --> 00:01:04,925 We like Ike! 17 00:01:06,794 --> 00:01:08,796 At the united nations 'General Assembly', 18 00:01:08,796 --> 00:01:11,799 A.U.N. official walks in almost unnoticed. 19 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:13,801 He's Dr. Ralph Bunche, 20 00:01:13,801 --> 00:01:15,302 who, only a few hours before, 21 00:01:15,302 --> 00:01:18,305 was announced winner of 'The Nobel Peace Prize.' 22 00:01:18,806 --> 00:01:20,808 The first negro to win the award, 23 00:01:20,808 --> 00:01:24,812 he is warmly congratulated by friends. 24 00:01:24,812 --> 00:01:26,814 The supreme court of the United States 25 00:01:26,814 --> 00:01:28,315 will hear cases from 5 states 26 00:01:28,315 --> 00:01:31,201 to decide whether school segregation is legal. 27 00:01:31,201 --> 00:01:32,702 The South Carolina case 28 00:01:33,203 --> 00:01:37,207 was filed by 62 parents in Clarendon county. 29 00:01:37,207 --> 00:01:39,709 South Carolina governor James F. Byrnes announced 30 00:01:40,210 --> 00:01:41,711 that the nation's foremost trial lawyer, 31 00:01:41,712 --> 00:01:43,213 John W. Davis, 32 00:01:43,213 --> 00:01:45,715 will argue the case before the supreme court. 33 00:02:17,997 --> 00:02:21,500 Hello. Legal defense fund. 34 00:02:21,501 --> 00:02:22,502 I'll ring. 35 00:02:28,007 --> 00:02:30,009 Mr. Hill is handling the Virginia case. 36 00:02:43,022 --> 00:02:44,523 I'll tell Bob Carter. Yeah. 37 00:02:49,529 --> 00:02:51,030 Legal defense fund. 38 00:02:53,032 --> 00:02:55,533 I'm sorry. Mr. Marshall isn't taking any calls. 39 00:03:10,916 --> 00:03:13,418 Why, Mr. Davis, how good to see you. 40 00:03:13,418 --> 00:03:14,419 Good morning. 41 00:03:45,083 --> 00:03:48,086 Here. This will help you sleep. 42 00:03:59,097 --> 00:04:02,100 John W. Davis. 43 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:05,102 The lawyer's lawyer. 44 00:04:05,102 --> 00:04:07,104 In law school, I used to cut classes, 45 00:04:07,104 --> 00:04:08,605 take the bus over to the supreme court, 46 00:04:08,606 --> 00:04:09,607 and watch him. 47 00:04:11,609 --> 00:04:15,112 He was the greatest solicitor general we ever had. 48 00:04:15,112 --> 00:04:18,115 I used to sit there and say to myself, 49 00:04:18,115 --> 00:04:20,117 "Will I ever?" 50 00:04:20,618 --> 00:04:23,621 And every time I'd have to answer, 51 00:04:23,621 --> 00:04:26,123 "No... 52 00:04:26,123 --> 00:04:27,624 never." 53 00:04:27,625 --> 00:04:30,628 Why does a man of his stature 54 00:04:30,628 --> 00:04:32,129 take their side? 55 00:04:37,501 --> 00:04:40,504 The man has lived with the law for 50 years. 56 00:04:41,005 --> 00:04:43,507 He must believe those fellows at the supreme court 57 00:04:43,507 --> 00:04:45,008 will see it his way. 58 00:04:45,009 --> 00:04:47,011 Well, you know what I think? 59 00:04:47,011 --> 00:04:50,014 I think you're the best lawyer in America, 60 00:04:50,014 --> 00:04:52,516 and that Carter, Greenberg, and Hill 61 00:04:52,516 --> 00:04:54,518 are not far behind. 62 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:58,522 Well, we'll find out soon enough. 63 00:05:00,524 --> 00:05:03,527 Will Dr. Levitt let you travel? 64 00:05:03,527 --> 00:05:05,529 I'll be there. 65 00:05:05,529 --> 00:05:07,531 He said one more week of treatments, 66 00:05:08,032 --> 00:05:09,533 then I can travel. 67 00:05:11,535 --> 00:05:14,537 I'll press this and get the spots out. 68 00:05:14,537 --> 00:05:16,539 You got to get some new clothes. 69 00:05:20,543 --> 00:05:23,045 I want you to look like a great lawyer, too. 70 00:05:30,053 --> 00:05:31,054 Hello. 71 00:05:31,304 --> 00:05:33,306 I got your message. 72 00:05:33,306 --> 00:05:35,308 It's J.A. Delaine. 73 00:05:35,308 --> 00:05:36,809 Can you get to Washington? 74 00:05:36,809 --> 00:05:39,812 I've got a seat for you at the supreme court. 75 00:05:39,812 --> 00:05:41,313 I shall be there. 76 00:05:44,317 --> 00:05:45,318 Tickets, please. 77 00:05:54,827 --> 00:05:56,328 Tomorrow here in Washington, 78 00:05:56,329 --> 00:05:57,330 The supreme court will hear arguments 79 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:59,832 on Brown vs. the 'board of education.' 80 00:05:59,832 --> 00:06:01,333 Lobbyists for the negro plaintiffs 81 00:06:01,334 --> 00:06:03,336 in 4 states and the district of Columbia 82 00:06:03,336 --> 00:06:05,838 are challenging the legality of school segregation. 83 00:06:05,838 --> 00:06:07,973 John W. Davis and Thurgood Marshall... 84 00:06:07,974 --> 00:06:09,475 response has been terrific here. 85 00:06:09,475 --> 00:06:11,977 We've already collected $12,000, 86 00:06:11,978 --> 00:06:13,479 and our people are still on the phone. 87 00:06:13,479 --> 00:06:14,980 Please send it directly to our bank. 88 00:06:14,981 --> 00:06:15,982 We expect even more money. 89 00:06:15,982 --> 00:06:18,484 Thurgood greatly appreciates your help at a crucial time. 90 00:06:18,985 --> 00:06:20,485 Some say that Felix Frankfurter 91 00:06:20,485 --> 00:06:21,986 is the key man on the court. 92 00:06:21,987 --> 00:06:23,989 There are 9 key men. 93 00:06:23,989 --> 00:06:25,490 Peter, why don't we get our new man 94 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:26,991 to fill the gentlemen in. 95 00:06:27,359 --> 00:06:29,361 Bill Coleman clerked for justice Frankfurter 96 00:06:29,361 --> 00:06:31,363 during the 1948 term, 97 00:06:31,363 --> 00:06:33,865 the first colored man ever chosen as clerk. 98 00:06:34,366 --> 00:06:35,867 He knows the justices. 99 00:06:35,867 --> 00:06:38,369 Bill, would you give the gentlemen 100 00:06:38,370 --> 00:06:40,372 a sense of how the court stacks up? 101 00:06:42,874 --> 00:06:45,376 Chief justice Vinson... 102 00:06:45,877 --> 00:06:46,878 he plays poker 2 nights a week 103 00:06:46,878 --> 00:06:48,880 with president Truman. 104 00:06:49,381 --> 00:06:50,382 Some say he's better 105 00:06:50,382 --> 00:06:51,383 at studying major league batting averages 106 00:06:51,883 --> 00:06:52,884 than legal precedents. 107 00:06:53,385 --> 00:06:55,887 Vinson is a passive leader of a divided court. 108 00:06:55,887 --> 00:06:58,389 One result--less than half as many unanimous opinions 109 00:06:58,390 --> 00:07:00,392 this year as 10 years ago. 110 00:07:00,392 --> 00:07:02,894 Vinson relies heavily on legal precedent. 111 00:07:02,894 --> 00:07:05,396 He's reluctant to overturn established law. 112 00:07:06,898 --> 00:07:08,900 Tom Clark, Texas. 113 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,903 Conservative, votes with Vinson 90% of the time. 114 00:07:11,903 --> 00:07:15,907 His own state of Texas has 1,000 segregated schools. 115 00:07:15,907 --> 00:07:19,043 Justice Stanley Reed, Kentucky. 116 00:07:20,545 --> 00:07:21,546 In some ways, 117 00:07:21,546 --> 00:07:24,048 he's still a small-town southern lawyer. 118 00:07:24,049 --> 00:07:26,051 Says he opposes discrimination against negroes, 119 00:07:26,051 --> 00:07:28,552 but his solution could be equal schools, 120 00:07:28,552 --> 00:07:30,554 not desegregation. 121 00:07:33,057 --> 00:07:35,559 These two we can count on. 122 00:07:35,559 --> 00:07:37,060 William O. Douglas 123 00:07:37,061 --> 00:07:38,562 is the youngest member of the court. 124 00:07:38,562 --> 00:07:40,063 Hugo Black, the oldest. 125 00:07:40,064 --> 00:07:41,565 The strongest defenders of individual liberties 126 00:07:41,565 --> 00:07:43,066 on the court. 127 00:07:45,069 --> 00:07:47,071 These two we have to work on-- 128 00:07:47,071 --> 00:07:49,573 Jackson and Frankfurter. 129 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:51,074 Robert Jackson was appointed to the court 130 00:07:51,575 --> 00:07:53,577 by Roosevelt in 1941. 131 00:07:53,577 --> 00:07:55,078 He's still upset that Truman passed him over 132 00:07:55,579 --> 00:07:58,582 when he made Vinson chief justice. 133 00:07:58,582 --> 00:08:00,584 Do you know what stare decisis means? 134 00:08:00,584 --> 00:08:03,587 Yesterday's decision shall govern today's decision? 135 00:08:04,088 --> 00:08:05,089 Exactly. 136 00:08:05,089 --> 00:08:07,091 Jackson believes that precedents 137 00:08:07,591 --> 00:08:09,593 are a force for stability. 138 00:08:09,593 --> 00:08:12,095 So, like a coral reef, 139 00:08:12,096 --> 00:08:15,099 the law becomes a structure of fossils. 140 00:08:15,099 --> 00:08:16,600 Felix Frankfurter-- 141 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,970 the finest intellect on the court. 142 00:08:19,970 --> 00:08:21,471 A jew born in Europe. 143 00:08:21,972 --> 00:08:23,974 He knows discrimination. 144 00:08:23,974 --> 00:08:24,975 He used to say to us, 145 00:08:24,975 --> 00:08:28,478 "How we feel is not important. 146 00:08:28,479 --> 00:08:29,980 It's the law that matters." 147 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:31,481 Is this Davis fellow 148 00:08:31,482 --> 00:08:33,984 as brilliant as his reputation? 149 00:08:33,984 --> 00:08:36,485 They call him the lawyer's lawyer. 150 00:09:06,015 --> 00:09:07,516 I burned your old one. 151 00:09:13,523 --> 00:09:17,527 Tomorrow morning, I want you looking 152 00:09:17,527 --> 00:09:23,032 every bit as good as Mr. John W. Davis. 153 00:09:50,058 --> 00:09:51,559 12th street and New York Avenue. 154 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:52,561 Watch your step. 155 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:44,362 The congressional has arrived from New York 156 00:10:44,363 --> 00:10:46,365 on track 9. 157 00:10:46,498 --> 00:10:47,999 Hello, Julia. Hello, John. 158 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,003 Mr. Davis, I cast my first vote for president 159 00:10:51,003 --> 00:10:53,504 in 1924 for you. 160 00:10:53,504 --> 00:10:55,005 Well, as things turned out, 161 00:10:55,006 --> 00:10:56,507 that vote didn't harm anyone. 162 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:02,513 If everyone who says they voted for me actually did, 163 00:11:02,513 --> 00:11:04,014 I'd have been president. 164 00:12:01,938 --> 00:12:02,939 Good luck, Marshall. 165 00:12:08,445 --> 00:12:11,448 Mrs. Marshall, I'm Julia Davis, 166 00:12:11,448 --> 00:12:12,949 Mr. Davis' daughter. 167 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:14,450 It's nice to meet you. 168 00:12:14,451 --> 00:12:17,454 I have great respect for your husband. 169 00:12:17,454 --> 00:12:19,456 Thank you. 170 00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:22,459 All rise. 171 00:12:24,961 --> 00:12:25,962 The honorable the chief justice 172 00:12:26,463 --> 00:12:27,464 and the associate justices 173 00:12:27,464 --> 00:12:29,466 of the supreme court of the United States. 174 00:12:29,466 --> 00:12:31,468 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 175 00:12:31,968 --> 00:12:33,970 All persons having business before the honorable 176 00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:35,471 the supreme court of the United States 177 00:12:35,472 --> 00:12:37,474 are invited to draw near and give their attention, 178 00:12:37,974 --> 00:12:39,976 for the court is now sitting. 179 00:12:39,976 --> 00:12:41,477 God save the United States 180 00:12:41,478 --> 00:12:43,480 and this honorable court. 181 00:12:48,485 --> 00:12:53,490 Case number 101-- Harry Briggs, Jr. et al. 182 00:12:53,623 --> 00:12:55,124 Against members of trustees 183 00:12:55,125 --> 00:12:58,128 of school district number 22, 184 00:12:58,128 --> 00:13:02,132 Clarendon county, South Carolina, et al. 185 00:13:02,132 --> 00:13:03,633 Counsel are present. 186 00:13:05,635 --> 00:13:07,637 Mr. Marshall. 187 00:13:14,143 --> 00:13:17,146 Mr. Chief Justice. 188 00:13:17,146 --> 00:13:18,647 may it please the court, 189 00:13:18,647 --> 00:13:20,649 my colleagues will address 190 00:13:20,649 --> 00:13:23,151 the Kansas, Delaware, Virginia, 191 00:13:23,152 --> 00:13:24,653 and district of Columbia cases. 192 00:13:24,653 --> 00:13:28,156 I will speak on behalf... 193 00:13:28,157 --> 00:13:30,659 of Harry Briggs, Jr. and the negro children 194 00:13:30,659 --> 00:13:33,662 of the town of Summerton, 195 00:13:33,662 --> 00:13:35,664 who have raised their attack 196 00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:38,667 on the validity of the South Carolina code 197 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:40,168 which reads, 198 00:13:40,169 --> 00:13:41,670 "It shall be unlawful 199 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:45,173 "for pupils of one race 200 00:13:45,174 --> 00:13:48,677 "to attend the schools provided 201 00:13:48,677 --> 00:13:52,180 for persons of another race." 202 00:13:57,686 --> 00:14:01,189 In the lower courts, 203 00:14:01,190 --> 00:14:06,695 we produced unchallenged experts 204 00:14:06,695 --> 00:14:10,198 who testified that segregation 205 00:14:10,699 --> 00:14:14,703 damages the personality of negro children 206 00:14:14,703 --> 00:14:19,707 and destroys their self-respect. 207 00:14:19,707 --> 00:14:23,210 If Ralph Bunche, 208 00:14:23,211 --> 00:14:26,214 this nation's distinguished ambassador 209 00:14:26,214 --> 00:14:27,715 to the United Nations, 210 00:14:27,715 --> 00:14:31,218 were assigned to South Carolina, 211 00:14:31,219 --> 00:14:32,720 it would be the will of the people 212 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,223 that his children go to a 'Jim-Crow School.' 213 00:14:38,726 --> 00:14:41,228 No matter how great anyone becomes, 214 00:14:41,229 --> 00:14:43,731 if he happens to be a negro, 215 00:14:43,731 --> 00:14:50,738 his children are relegated to that school. 216 00:14:51,739 --> 00:14:53,741 Yet this court 217 00:14:53,741 --> 00:14:56,744 is being asked by the defense 218 00:14:56,744 --> 00:14:59,747 to uphold the segregation law 219 00:14:59,747 --> 00:15:02,015 of South Carolina. 220 00:15:02,016 --> 00:15:05,519 Under our form of government, 221 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:10,524 the only testing ground 222 00:15:10,524 --> 00:15:13,527 as to whether or not individual rights 223 00:15:13,527 --> 00:15:15,529 are violated by the majority 224 00:15:15,529 --> 00:15:18,031 is here in this, 225 00:15:18,532 --> 00:15:22,536 the supreme court of the United States. 226 00:15:22,536 --> 00:15:26,539 The court must weigh 227 00:15:26,539 --> 00:15:28,040 the rights of the negro children 228 00:15:28,041 --> 00:15:30,543 against the public policy 229 00:15:30,543 --> 00:15:32,545 of the state of South Carolina. 230 00:15:32,545 --> 00:15:37,550 And if that policy violates those rights, 231 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:41,053 then this court, reluctant or otherwise, 232 00:15:41,054 --> 00:15:44,057 is obliged to say 233 00:15:44,557 --> 00:15:48,060 that that policy has run up against 234 00:15:48,061 --> 00:15:50,563 the 14th amendment to the constitution, 235 00:15:50,563 --> 00:15:53,566 which guarantees all citizens 236 00:15:53,566 --> 00:15:56,569 equal treatment under the law. 237 00:15:58,071 --> 00:16:02,075 We, therefore, respectfully urge... 238 00:16:03,576 --> 00:16:05,578 that the judgment of the district court 239 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:07,580 be reversed 240 00:16:07,580 --> 00:16:11,083 and the children's rights be affirmed. 241 00:16:13,086 --> 00:16:15,088 Is it fair to say 242 00:16:15,088 --> 00:16:17,090 that the South Carolina legislature 243 00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:19,592 set up segregated schools 244 00:16:19,592 --> 00:16:21,594 to avoid racial friction? 245 00:16:21,594 --> 00:16:23,596 Yes, sir. 246 00:16:23,596 --> 00:16:25,097 Doesn't the legislature 247 00:16:25,098 --> 00:16:27,100 have to weigh the advantage 248 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,102 of maintaining law and order 249 00:16:29,102 --> 00:16:31,604 against what might be a disadvantage 250 00:16:31,604 --> 00:16:33,105 to the segregated group? 251 00:16:33,106 --> 00:16:36,108 I think that the legislature should, Mr. Justice Reed, 252 00:16:36,108 --> 00:16:39,111 but I--I think we have to bear in mind 253 00:16:39,111 --> 00:16:41,113 that, as far as I know, 254 00:16:41,113 --> 00:16:42,614 in these states, 255 00:16:42,614 --> 00:16:45,116 there is not a single negro legislator 256 00:16:45,617 --> 00:16:46,618 doing the weighing. 257 00:16:47,119 --> 00:16:50,122 The only point before this court 258 00:16:50,122 --> 00:16:52,624 is the law as it was applied in Clarendon county. 259 00:16:52,624 --> 00:16:54,125 All we are asking 260 00:16:54,126 --> 00:16:56,628 is that the state-imposed racial segregation 261 00:16:56,628 --> 00:16:58,630 be stopped 262 00:16:58,630 --> 00:16:59,631 and that the county school board 263 00:16:59,631 --> 00:17:02,133 be instructed to work out a solution. 264 00:17:02,634 --> 00:17:04,135 What kind of a solution? 265 00:17:05,637 --> 00:17:06,638 They could assign children to schools 266 00:17:06,638 --> 00:17:08,640 on any reasonable basis. 267 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,641 You mean we would have 268 00:17:09,641 --> 00:17:11,142 gerrymandering of school districts? 269 00:17:11,643 --> 00:17:13,144 Not gerrymandering, Mr. Justice Frankfurter. 270 00:17:13,145 --> 00:17:14,646 the new district lines 271 00:17:14,646 --> 00:17:17,148 would simply have to be drawn on a natural basis 272 00:17:17,149 --> 00:17:19,151 without regard to race or color. 273 00:17:19,151 --> 00:17:20,652 It would be important to me 274 00:17:20,652 --> 00:17:21,653 to have you spell out 275 00:17:21,653 --> 00:17:23,154 exactly what would happen 276 00:17:23,155 --> 00:17:24,656 if this court reverses 277 00:17:25,157 --> 00:17:27,159 and the case goes back to South Carolina. 278 00:17:27,159 --> 00:17:28,160 What is important 279 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,163 is that we get the principle established. 280 00:17:31,163 --> 00:17:35,167 Segregation by race is not legal. 281 00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:40,672 It is impossible right now 282 00:17:40,672 --> 00:17:44,174 to say precisely how it will work. 283 00:17:44,175 --> 00:17:45,176 I think it's important to know 284 00:17:45,676 --> 00:17:48,178 before one starts out where he is going. 285 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,683 I would like to reserve the remainder of my time. 286 00:18:04,195 --> 00:18:05,696 I was watching 287 00:18:05,696 --> 00:18:08,198 chief justice Vinson very carefully, 288 00:18:08,199 --> 00:18:09,700 his face. 289 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:12,703 i don't like the expression in his eyes. 290 00:18:18,209 --> 00:18:19,710 How did we do? 291 00:18:20,211 --> 00:18:21,712 I think we've made a number of points 292 00:18:21,712 --> 00:18:22,713 very effectively. 293 00:18:23,214 --> 00:18:24,715 Truth is, fellas, 294 00:18:24,715 --> 00:18:27,217 I wasn't very good. 295 00:18:27,218 --> 00:18:29,720 Frankfurter is thorny. 296 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,223 Hardly lets a man finish a sentence. 297 00:18:33,224 --> 00:18:35,726 An experienced lawyer is prepared for that. 298 00:18:35,726 --> 00:18:38,228 I let myself get bogged down in detail. 299 00:18:38,229 --> 00:18:39,730 The one thing I wanted to do 300 00:18:39,730 --> 00:18:42,733 was find a way to talk about the principle, 301 00:18:42,733 --> 00:18:45,235 convince them that segregation 302 00:18:45,236 --> 00:18:48,739 is morally wrong, 303 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,243 that there is no such thing as separate equality. 304 00:18:54,744 --> 00:18:56,746 Says counsel for the plaintiff, 305 00:18:56,746 --> 00:18:58,748 "We have the uncontradicted testimony 306 00:18:59,249 --> 00:19:00,750 "of expert witnesses 307 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:03,252 "that segregation is hurtful to the children 308 00:19:03,253 --> 00:19:05,755 of both the colored and the white races." 309 00:19:05,755 --> 00:19:07,757 Now, there are experts, 310 00:19:07,757 --> 00:19:10,259 and there are experts. 311 00:19:10,260 --> 00:19:11,761 Let me read a sentence or 2 312 00:19:11,761 --> 00:19:13,763 from W. E. B. Du Bois, 313 00:19:13,763 --> 00:19:15,765 the great negro educator. 314 00:19:19,269 --> 00:19:22,272 "I have seen wise and loving colored parents 315 00:19:22,272 --> 00:19:23,773 "take infinite pains 316 00:19:23,773 --> 00:19:26,776 "to force their little children into schools 317 00:19:26,776 --> 00:19:30,279 "where the white children and white teachers 318 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,283 "despised and bullied the dark child. 319 00:19:33,783 --> 00:19:34,784 "Now, such parents want their children 320 00:19:34,784 --> 00:19:36,285 "to fight this thing out, 321 00:19:36,286 --> 00:19:39,289 but, dear god, at what a cost." 322 00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:41,791 Dr. Du Bois concludes, 323 00:19:41,791 --> 00:19:43,793 "We shall do better by putting the children 324 00:19:43,793 --> 00:19:45,294 "in schools where they are wanted 325 00:19:45,795 --> 00:19:47,797 "than by thrusting them into hells 326 00:19:47,797 --> 00:19:51,300 where they are ridiculed and hated." 327 00:19:51,301 --> 00:19:53,803 Let me come now to what is the crux of this case-- 328 00:19:53,803 --> 00:19:55,805 that is the meaning and interpretation 329 00:19:55,805 --> 00:19:57,807 of the 14th amendment 330 00:19:57,807 --> 00:20:00,308 to the constitution of the United States. 331 00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:02,311 Your honors have said it is your duty, 332 00:20:02,311 --> 00:20:03,312 and I quote, 333 00:20:03,312 --> 00:20:05,814 "To place ourselves as nearly as possible 334 00:20:05,814 --> 00:20:09,317 in the condition of the men who framed the instrument." 335 00:20:09,318 --> 00:20:10,819 Now, what was the condition 336 00:20:10,819 --> 00:20:12,821 of those who framed the instrument? 337 00:20:12,821 --> 00:20:14,322 I will tell you. 338 00:20:14,323 --> 00:20:17,326 The resolution proposing the 14th amendment 339 00:20:17,826 --> 00:20:21,830 was proffered by congress in june of 1866. 340 00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:23,331 One month later, the same congress 341 00:20:23,832 --> 00:20:26,334 established separate schools for the races 342 00:20:26,335 --> 00:20:29,338 right here in the district of Columbia. 343 00:20:29,338 --> 00:20:32,341 And from that good day to this, 344 00:20:32,341 --> 00:20:35,344 congress has not wavered in that policy. 345 00:20:35,344 --> 00:20:38,347 So clearly, the congress does not believe 346 00:20:38,347 --> 00:20:41,350 that the constitution speaks against segregated schools. 347 00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:43,351 What is your answer, Mr. Davis, 348 00:20:43,352 --> 00:20:44,353 to the suggestion 349 00:20:44,353 --> 00:20:47,356 that the constitution is a living document 350 00:20:47,356 --> 00:20:49,858 that must be interpreted in relation to the facts 351 00:20:49,858 --> 00:20:51,860 at the time it is interpreted? 352 00:20:51,860 --> 00:20:54,362 My answer to that, Mr. Justice Douglas, 353 00:20:54,363 --> 00:20:57,866 is that changed conditions do not expand the language 354 00:20:57,866 --> 00:21:00,869 that the framers of the constitution employed. 355 00:21:00,869 --> 00:21:02,370 And it is inconceivable that the congress 356 00:21:02,371 --> 00:21:04,373 which passed the 14th amendment 357 00:21:04,373 --> 00:21:06,875 would have forbidden the states 358 00:21:06,875 --> 00:21:08,375 to employ an educational plan 359 00:21:08,376 --> 00:21:09,877 which congress itself 360 00:21:09,877 --> 00:21:12,379 was employing in the district of Columbia. 361 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,382 No court, I respectfully submit, 362 00:21:15,883 --> 00:21:18,886 is justified in ignoring that. 363 00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:20,387 And over the years, this court has spoken 364 00:21:20,388 --> 00:21:22,890 in the most clear and unmistakable terms 365 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:26,393 to the effect that segregation is not unlawful. 366 00:21:26,394 --> 00:21:28,396 In Plessy vs. Ferguson 367 00:21:28,396 --> 00:21:30,898 and in 6 subsequent cases, 368 00:21:30,898 --> 00:21:33,400 the doctrine of separate but equal 369 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:35,402 has been upheld. 370 00:21:35,403 --> 00:21:38,906 So, your honors, I might ask, 371 00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:42,409 why should this be a matter of great national policy? 372 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:44,912 Is it not a fact the very strength and fiber 373 00:21:44,912 --> 00:21:46,413 of our federal system 374 00:21:46,414 --> 00:21:48,416 is local self-government? 375 00:21:50,418 --> 00:21:52,420 I respectfully submit 376 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:55,556 there is no reason why this court or any other 377 00:21:55,556 --> 00:21:59,560 should reverse the findings of 90 years. 378 00:21:59,811 --> 00:22:00,428 Mr. Marshall. 379 00:22:00,428 --> 00:22:01,429 Mr. Marshall, over here, please. 380 00:22:01,429 --> 00:22:03,931 How will the court rule? 381 00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:05,432 Mr. Carter, come this way, please. 382 00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:07,434 Masterful, John. 383 00:22:07,435 --> 00:22:08,936 You did us proud. 384 00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:10,437 Thank you, Jim. 385 00:22:10,438 --> 00:22:11,939 How do you see it? 386 00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:13,941 Oh, 6-3. Maybe 5-4. 387 00:22:14,442 --> 00:22:16,943 In the language of the famous general, 388 00:22:16,943 --> 00:22:18,444 we've got them. 389 00:22:18,445 --> 00:22:20,447 And they'll never get home. 390 00:22:21,448 --> 00:22:23,450 Mr. Marshall, aren't all the precedents 391 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:24,451 that have been set 392 00:22:24,451 --> 00:22:25,452 relating to this decision... 393 00:22:55,615 --> 00:22:58,618 Well, Bob, I guess it's out of our hands. 394 00:22:58,618 --> 00:23:01,120 The lives and hopes of so many millions 395 00:23:01,121 --> 00:23:06,126 rest in the hands of those 9 men. 396 00:23:06,126 --> 00:23:07,127 When do you think 397 00:23:07,127 --> 00:23:08,628 they'll come down with a decision? 398 00:23:09,129 --> 00:23:11,131 Months, not weeks. 399 00:23:14,634 --> 00:23:17,637 I let myself get tangled up 400 00:23:17,637 --> 00:23:20,640 in their questions... 401 00:23:22,142 --> 00:23:24,143 and caught in the underbrush. 402 00:23:24,143 --> 00:23:25,644 Davis... 403 00:23:27,146 --> 00:23:30,649 he makes it sound like pages of history. 404 00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:32,651 Come on, Thurgood. 405 00:23:32,651 --> 00:23:34,152 It's christmas. 406 00:23:35,154 --> 00:23:37,656 Yeah. 407 00:23:37,656 --> 00:23:39,157 What about this housing case? 408 00:23:39,158 --> 00:23:40,159 I'll take care of things. 409 00:23:40,659 --> 00:23:41,660 Don't you worry. 410 00:23:41,660 --> 00:23:43,161 These people are depending on us. 411 00:23:43,162 --> 00:23:45,664 Buster needs you now. 412 00:23:52,171 --> 00:23:53,172 Yeah. 413 00:23:53,172 --> 00:23:54,673 All these years you've been tramping 414 00:23:54,673 --> 00:23:57,676 in and out of southern courthouses. 415 00:23:58,177 --> 00:24:00,179 Now is the time you can be with her. 416 00:24:04,683 --> 00:24:06,184 Yeah. 417 00:24:08,687 --> 00:24:10,689 I'll keep in touch. 418 00:24:12,691 --> 00:24:14,192 Thurgood... 419 00:24:14,193 --> 00:24:16,695 is she going to be ok? 420 00:24:19,198 --> 00:24:20,199 She's got to be ok. 421 00:24:27,072 --> 00:24:28,073 The nation's capital, 422 00:24:28,073 --> 00:24:29,574 ready for its day of days, 423 00:24:29,575 --> 00:24:32,076 the inauguration of a new president. 424 00:24:38,082 --> 00:24:41,085 the dignitaries file through the Capitol rotunda 425 00:24:41,085 --> 00:24:42,586 toward the portico, 426 00:24:42,587 --> 00:24:45,089 where the transfer of the presidency will occur. 427 00:24:45,089 --> 00:24:47,591 Here are members of congress. 428 00:24:47,592 --> 00:24:49,093 Behind them, 429 00:24:49,093 --> 00:24:51,595 members of the supreme court of the United States 430 00:24:51,596 --> 00:24:53,097 in judicial robes. 431 00:24:53,097 --> 00:24:55,232 I, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 432 00:24:55,233 --> 00:24:56,851 do solemnly swear 433 00:24:56,851 --> 00:24:59,353 that i will faithfully execute the office 434 00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:01,856 of the president of the United States 435 00:25:01,856 --> 00:25:04,108 and will, to the best of my ability, 436 00:25:04,108 --> 00:25:07,111 preserve, protect, and defend 437 00:25:07,111 --> 00:25:10,114 the constitution of the United States, 438 00:25:10,114 --> 00:25:11,115 so help me God. 439 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,121 Seen Justice Frankfurter? 440 00:25:17,622 --> 00:25:18,623 Yes, sir. Been here at least an hour. 441 00:25:18,623 --> 00:25:20,124 Came in at 7:30 sharp. 442 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:27,631 Mr. Justice Reed, Mr. Justice Jackson. 443 00:25:28,132 --> 00:25:29,133 Good morning. 444 00:25:37,642 --> 00:25:39,143 Morning, sir. 445 00:25:39,644 --> 00:25:41,645 Here are the notes on the 14th amendment 446 00:25:41,645 --> 00:25:43,146 for the Clarendon matter. 447 00:25:43,146 --> 00:25:44,647 Yes, Mark. 448 00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:47,650 Have the brethren assembled? 449 00:25:47,651 --> 00:25:49,152 I saw justices Reed and Jackson 450 00:25:49,152 --> 00:25:50,653 going up the hall. 451 00:25:50,654 --> 00:25:52,155 May I ask how it's going? 452 00:25:52,155 --> 00:25:53,156 You may. 453 00:25:53,156 --> 00:25:54,157 But knowing as you do 454 00:25:54,658 --> 00:25:56,660 that the deliberations of the justices are privileged, 455 00:25:56,660 --> 00:25:59,162 you may not expect a reply. 456 00:26:01,164 --> 00:26:03,666 Stuck in the mud. No leadership. 457 00:26:03,667 --> 00:26:04,668 The chief? 458 00:26:05,168 --> 00:26:06,169 Heh heh. 459 00:26:09,172 --> 00:26:10,173 Good morning. 460 00:26:10,173 --> 00:26:12,175 Mr. Justice Black, Mr. Justice Douglas, 461 00:26:12,175 --> 00:26:14,177 Mr. Justice Clark... 462 00:26:14,177 --> 00:26:16,679 Mr. Justice Reed, Mr. Justice Jackson. 463 00:26:18,682 --> 00:26:20,183 It's very simple for me. 464 00:26:20,183 --> 00:26:22,185 The state cannot classify people 465 00:26:22,686 --> 00:26:24,688 by color for education. 466 00:26:24,688 --> 00:26:25,689 I'm with Douglas. 467 00:26:26,189 --> 00:26:27,690 Prepared to desegregate. 468 00:26:27,691 --> 00:26:31,194 I see it differently from Black and Douglas. 469 00:26:31,194 --> 00:26:32,695 You have to look at the achievements 470 00:26:32,696 --> 00:26:34,197 of the negro people, 471 00:26:34,197 --> 00:26:36,699 the remarkable progress that's been made 472 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,203 since the deprivations of slavery till today. 473 00:26:40,704 --> 00:26:43,707 I believe that in time, the states, 474 00:26:43,707 --> 00:26:45,208 as this progress continues, 475 00:26:45,709 --> 00:26:48,210 will themselves lower the barrier. 476 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:50,212 Meanwhile, the Plessy decision, 477 00:26:50,212 --> 00:26:52,214 with its separate but equal doctrine, 478 00:26:52,214 --> 00:26:53,715 is the law of the land. 479 00:26:53,716 --> 00:26:55,718 It has been for half a century. 480 00:26:55,718 --> 00:26:59,221 I see no compelling reason for overturning it now. 481 00:26:59,221 --> 00:27:01,223 I agree with reed. 482 00:27:01,223 --> 00:27:02,724 We were not appointed to this court 483 00:27:02,725 --> 00:27:03,726 to make the law, 484 00:27:03,726 --> 00:27:05,227 we're here to interpret it. 485 00:27:05,227 --> 00:27:08,230 I'm comfortable with the precedents before us. 486 00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:09,731 Doesn't stare decisis mean 487 00:27:10,232 --> 00:27:11,733 that the court doesn't change its mind 488 00:27:11,734 --> 00:27:14,236 just because some new justices come along? 489 00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:21,243 The colored children in South Carolina, 490 00:27:21,243 --> 00:27:23,745 Kansas, Delaware, Virginia, 491 00:27:23,746 --> 00:27:25,247 and the district of Columbia 492 00:27:25,247 --> 00:27:28,250 appealed to this court, claiming that segregation 493 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:31,253 denies them equal opportunity. 494 00:27:31,253 --> 00:27:33,255 Now, we can't wear blinders. 495 00:27:33,255 --> 00:27:35,257 The state segregation laws must be struck down. 496 00:27:35,257 --> 00:27:37,759 I simply do not agree 497 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,762 that the framers of the 14th amendment 498 00:27:39,762 --> 00:27:42,264 intended to bar segregated schools. 499 00:27:42,264 --> 00:27:45,767 It doesn't say that. it says, "Equal protection," 500 00:27:45,768 --> 00:27:49,021 and the schools are being equalized. 501 00:27:49,522 --> 00:27:51,524 What about the congress? 502 00:27:51,524 --> 00:27:53,025 It's their job to take this on 503 00:27:53,025 --> 00:27:54,526 and save us from becoming 504 00:27:54,527 --> 00:27:58,530 a 9-man school board for the entire country. 505 00:27:59,030 --> 00:28:01,032 I'm concerned over the effect on the country 506 00:28:01,032 --> 00:28:02,533 if this court should put forward 507 00:28:02,534 --> 00:28:04,035 a divided decision. 508 00:28:04,536 --> 00:28:06,538 Felix, we have issued split decisions before, 509 00:28:07,038 --> 00:28:09,040 and the republic has survived nicely. 510 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,041 Of course we have, 511 00:28:10,041 --> 00:28:12,043 but this is an explosive issue. 512 00:28:13,545 --> 00:28:15,046 Some governors have stated publicly 513 00:28:15,547 --> 00:28:17,549 that they would resist an order to desegregate. 514 00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:20,051 It would be a catastrophe if this court 515 00:28:20,051 --> 00:28:23,054 put forward a decision it can't enforce. 516 00:28:23,054 --> 00:28:24,555 Perhaps Felix' warning 517 00:28:24,556 --> 00:28:26,558 should lead us in the direction of caution 518 00:28:26,558 --> 00:28:28,560 when it comes to overturning precedents 519 00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:30,561 which have been so continuously upheld 520 00:28:31,062 --> 00:28:32,063 by the court. 521 00:28:32,564 --> 00:28:35,066 We can move on to other matters 522 00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:37,568 and revisit the school cases at another time. 523 00:28:53,585 --> 00:28:56,087 It just seems so clear-cut to me. 524 00:28:56,087 --> 00:28:57,088 Segregation is wrong, 525 00:28:57,589 --> 00:28:59,090 so the court votes to ban it. 526 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:00,591 Bang. 527 00:29:00,592 --> 00:29:02,594 Yes, Mark, a moral question 528 00:29:03,094 --> 00:29:05,095 and a legal question 529 00:29:05,095 --> 00:29:06,596 and what else? 530 00:29:06,597 --> 00:29:07,598 Nothing else. 531 00:29:07,598 --> 00:29:10,100 Wrong. It's also a political question. 532 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:11,601 The supreme court is above that. 533 00:29:11,602 --> 00:29:12,603 That's why justices 534 00:29:12,603 --> 00:29:14,104 have lifetime appointments. 535 00:29:14,104 --> 00:29:15,605 That doesn't keep justices-- 536 00:29:15,606 --> 00:29:17,608 some justices-- from being concerned 537 00:29:17,608 --> 00:29:19,610 about the political effect of what they do, 538 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:22,613 including this justice. 539 00:29:22,613 --> 00:29:26,116 If we come down with a 5-4 decision to desegregate 540 00:29:26,116 --> 00:29:27,117 or if we come down with 541 00:29:27,618 --> 00:29:30,621 a 6-3 decision to uphold separate but equal, 542 00:29:30,621 --> 00:29:32,122 there will be the majority opinion 543 00:29:32,122 --> 00:29:35,125 and one, 2, or 3 dissenting opinions. 544 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:37,627 Judges like to put their spoon in the pie. 545 00:29:37,628 --> 00:29:40,697 After 6 conferences, we are still split. 546 00:29:40,697 --> 00:29:42,198 A divided court 547 00:29:42,199 --> 00:29:45,202 will send a terribly confused signal to the country. 548 00:29:45,702 --> 00:29:46,703 Could have massive opposition, 549 00:29:47,204 --> 00:29:48,705 whichever way the decision goes. 550 00:29:50,707 --> 00:29:52,709 So, what happens? 551 00:29:54,211 --> 00:29:56,213 You need a kochloffel. 552 00:29:56,213 --> 00:29:58,215 What's a kochloffel? 553 00:29:59,216 --> 00:30:03,220 A cooking spoon that stirs things up. 554 00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:05,722 Now we should turn our attention 555 00:30:05,722 --> 00:30:07,724 to the school cases. 556 00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:08,725 I do believe it is time 557 00:30:08,725 --> 00:30:11,728 to cut the cards and deal. 558 00:30:11,728 --> 00:30:13,729 I know where i stand. 559 00:30:19,735 --> 00:30:21,737 I've been thinking. 560 00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:25,240 The 14th amendment is at the heart of this question. 561 00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:26,242 How can we be sure 562 00:30:26,242 --> 00:30:28,244 what the intent of the amendment is 563 00:30:28,244 --> 00:30:29,745 unless we know what was in the mind 564 00:30:29,745 --> 00:30:32,748 of the congress that framed it in 1865 565 00:30:32,748 --> 00:30:35,751 and the state legislatures that ratified it? 566 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:39,755 Did they intend for it to forbid segregated schools? 567 00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:41,757 We are being asked to make what could be 568 00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:43,759 the most important judicial decision 569 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:45,761 of this century, 570 00:30:45,761 --> 00:30:48,764 and we are doing it without all the facts. 571 00:30:48,764 --> 00:30:51,266 I propose... 572 00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:53,769 that we ask counsel on both sides 573 00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:57,773 to come back and re-argue the case, 574 00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,775 focusing on this question-- 575 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:01,276 what evidence is there 576 00:31:01,277 --> 00:31:02,778 that the framers contemplated 577 00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:04,780 or did not contemplate 578 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:07,282 that the 14th amendment would abolish segregation 579 00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:09,785 in the public schools? 580 00:31:09,785 --> 00:31:11,787 With that information, 581 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:13,789 we would be able to make a sound judgment. 582 00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:21,045 Excellent. Excellent. 583 00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:44,819 Hello. 584 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:47,822 Are you sure? 585 00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:50,825 Thanks. 586 00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:56,831 Re-argument. 587 00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:04,839 Will you sign an invoice? 588 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,340 Uh, take it up front. 589 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:13,848 It's the New York Times. James Rustenpalmer? 590 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:17,352 Invoice? 591 00:32:17,352 --> 00:32:21,356 $16.23. 592 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:22,857 C.O.D. 593 00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:25,359 Um...Greenberg, 594 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,862 this man needs $16.23. 595 00:32:27,862 --> 00:32:29,362 we're good for it. 596 00:32:29,363 --> 00:32:31,365 Thurgood, professor Franklin. 597 00:32:33,367 --> 00:32:35,369 John Hope? Ha ha ha ha! 598 00:32:35,369 --> 00:32:36,870 What are you doing? 599 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:38,371 Going back to Howard, eh? 600 00:32:38,872 --> 00:32:40,874 Good. You know what else you're going to be doing? 601 00:32:40,874 --> 00:32:42,876 You're going to be working for me. 602 00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:46,379 I need the best historians and constitutional scholars. 603 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:48,382 The supreme court wants to know 604 00:32:48,382 --> 00:32:50,384 what those white men were thinking 100 years ago 605 00:32:50,884 --> 00:32:54,387 when they passed the 14th amendment. 606 00:32:54,388 --> 00:32:56,890 Be on the train tonight. 607 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:59,893 Thurgood, Bob Ming is coming in from Chicago. 608 00:32:59,893 --> 00:33:01,895 He knows the 1865 debates by heart. 609 00:33:01,895 --> 00:33:03,396 We don't have money 610 00:33:03,397 --> 00:33:04,398 for train fare for these people. 611 00:33:04,398 --> 00:33:05,399 Tell him we're good for it. 612 00:33:05,899 --> 00:33:08,401 Alice, telegrams to all our supporters. 613 00:33:08,402 --> 00:33:10,153 Tell them the supreme court has deferred judgement. 614 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,655 We have to re-argue the case 615 00:33:11,655 --> 00:33:13,657 and we need emergency funds. 616 00:33:13,657 --> 00:33:16,159 Tell them-- you know how to word it. 617 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,161 We need money bad. 618 00:33:17,161 --> 00:33:19,663 Thurgood, when the 14th amendment was ratified, 619 00:33:19,663 --> 00:33:21,164 there were 37 states. 620 00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:22,666 You better research all of them. 621 00:33:22,666 --> 00:33:24,551 Did you reach Henry Steele Commager? 622 00:33:24,551 --> 00:33:26,169 Peanut talked to him. 623 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,672 He's not available. At Oxford for the summer. 624 00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:30,674 He sent this message-- 625 00:33:30,674 --> 00:33:33,176 "I greatly fear your premise is wrong. 626 00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:34,178 "the framers of the amendment 627 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:35,679 "did not, as far as we know, intend 628 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,680 "that it should be used to end segregation 629 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,181 "in public schools. 630 00:33:39,182 --> 00:33:40,183 "I strongly urge you 631 00:33:40,683 --> 00:33:42,184 "to consider dropping that particular argument 632 00:33:42,185 --> 00:33:44,187 because it weakens your case." 633 00:33:48,191 --> 00:33:50,193 Bob, get to Horace Bond. 634 00:33:50,193 --> 00:33:51,194 He's the best scholar of political strategies 635 00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:52,695 of that time. 636 00:33:52,695 --> 00:33:54,697 Any of you guys know anybody who would give us money, 637 00:33:54,697 --> 00:33:55,698 get to work on them. 638 00:33:55,698 --> 00:33:58,701 We've got bills--travel, offices, telephones. 639 00:33:58,701 --> 00:34:01,704 If they shut off our phones, we are out of business. 640 00:34:01,704 --> 00:34:02,705 And there are a lot of people 641 00:34:02,705 --> 00:34:04,707 who would like to see our door slammed. 642 00:34:04,707 --> 00:34:06,709 I'm like General Patton-- 643 00:34:06,709 --> 00:34:08,210 the best tanks money could buy, 644 00:34:08,211 --> 00:34:10,213 but no gas to run them on. 645 00:34:12,598 --> 00:34:13,599 Can i help you? 646 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:14,600 I'm black. 647 00:34:16,602 --> 00:34:18,103 You're black? 648 00:34:18,104 --> 00:34:20,106 Charles Black from Austin, Texas. 649 00:34:20,106 --> 00:34:22,108 What can we do for you? 650 00:34:22,108 --> 00:34:23,609 I'm here to help. 651 00:34:23,609 --> 00:34:25,611 I'm a professor and a lawyer, 652 00:34:25,611 --> 00:34:27,613 and I can write a little. 653 00:34:27,613 --> 00:34:29,615 They said you needed help. 654 00:34:29,615 --> 00:34:33,118 Yes. They called me about you. 655 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,621 Find the professor some sit-down space. 656 00:34:38,124 --> 00:34:40,126 We could use all the help we can get. 657 00:34:48,884 --> 00:34:49,885 You can report 658 00:34:49,885 --> 00:34:51,887 To the honorable governor, Mr. Tulley, 659 00:34:51,887 --> 00:34:52,888 That I have assigned 660 00:34:52,888 --> 00:34:54,890 2 of the brightest young men of our firm 661 00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:56,892 to lead the research-- 662 00:34:56,892 --> 00:35:00,395 Mr. Straight from Harvard, Mr. McPherson from Yale-- 663 00:35:00,395 --> 00:35:03,398 but they do work together harmoniously. 664 00:35:03,398 --> 00:35:06,901 Mr. Marshall seems to have fallen on hard times-- 665 00:35:06,902 --> 00:35:08,904 soliciting our partners. 666 00:35:14,276 --> 00:35:15,777 "Send tax-deductible gift 667 00:35:15,777 --> 00:35:18,663 "to NAACP legal defense fund, New York. 668 00:35:18,663 --> 00:35:20,164 Thurgood Marshall." 669 00:35:21,666 --> 00:35:23,167 Well, maybe we should 670 00:35:23,168 --> 00:35:25,170 turn Mr. Straight and Mr. McPherson here loose 671 00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:26,671 on their tax-deductible status. 672 00:35:26,671 --> 00:35:28,172 that's not our style. 673 00:35:28,173 --> 00:35:29,674 Their time will be better spent 674 00:35:29,674 --> 00:35:31,676 in the libraries. 675 00:35:31,676 --> 00:35:33,678 The attorney general of South Carolina 676 00:35:33,678 --> 00:35:35,179 has asked his counterparts 677 00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:38,183 in 37 other states that concern us 678 00:35:38,183 --> 00:35:40,185 to research their state archives 679 00:35:40,185 --> 00:35:42,187 at no expense to us. 680 00:35:42,187 --> 00:35:44,189 The research will show that the states were 681 00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:45,690 determined to retain the right 682 00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:47,692 to shape their schools 683 00:35:48,193 --> 00:35:49,694 to fit their particular region. 684 00:35:49,694 --> 00:35:51,195 Now, the Marshall people will be looking 685 00:35:51,196 --> 00:35:53,198 for something specific, 686 00:35:53,198 --> 00:35:54,698 something that shows that congress 687 00:35:54,698 --> 00:35:57,200 intended for the 14th amendment 688 00:35:57,201 --> 00:36:00,204 to prohibit separate schools... 689 00:36:04,708 --> 00:36:06,710 but they won't find it. 690 00:36:12,583 --> 00:36:14,084 Buster? 691 00:36:14,585 --> 00:36:16,086 Yes, honey? 692 00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:20,591 Where have you been? 693 00:36:20,591 --> 00:36:21,592 Errands. 694 00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:38,608 What were you doing? 695 00:36:38,609 --> 00:36:42,112 I had a whole bunch of errands. 696 00:36:45,616 --> 00:36:46,617 Where's your watch? 697 00:36:48,619 --> 00:36:50,621 I sold it. 698 00:36:50,621 --> 00:36:53,123 You can't do that. 699 00:36:53,123 --> 00:36:55,125 I did it. 700 00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:56,626 We've got contributors. 701 00:36:56,627 --> 00:36:58,629 I won't take the money. 702 00:36:58,629 --> 00:37:00,631 Then I'll mail it in. 703 00:37:00,631 --> 00:37:02,131 Buster! 704 00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:15,144 When they wouldn't let me into the law school 705 00:37:15,144 --> 00:37:16,645 at the University of Maryland, 706 00:37:16,646 --> 00:37:21,651 my mother went downtown to the crown pawnshop 707 00:37:21,651 --> 00:37:23,653 and sold her engagement band 708 00:37:23,653 --> 00:37:24,654 and her wedding ring 709 00:37:25,154 --> 00:37:27,289 to pay for me to go to law school at Howard. 710 00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:28,791 So? 711 00:37:28,908 --> 00:37:31,911 So, I don't want you selling your jewelry. 712 00:37:31,911 --> 00:37:34,296 And what if your mother hadn't sold those rings? 713 00:37:34,797 --> 00:37:36,298 Where would you be now, hmm? 714 00:37:36,299 --> 00:37:37,416 I just don't like it. 715 00:37:37,417 --> 00:37:40,420 Thurgood, you once said to me 716 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,421 that the fight for civil rights 717 00:37:42,422 --> 00:37:44,424 was worth a life. 718 00:37:44,424 --> 00:37:45,425 Remember? 719 00:37:47,427 --> 00:37:50,680 I can get along without a watch, 720 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,183 but I can't get along without supper. 721 00:37:55,685 --> 00:37:56,686 And I want to know 722 00:37:57,186 --> 00:38:00,189 everything that's going on. 723 00:38:00,189 --> 00:38:03,192 We've got the best professors and historians 724 00:38:03,192 --> 00:38:05,694 from all around the country. 725 00:38:05,695 --> 00:38:08,698 And thanks to Howard University and Charlie Houston, 726 00:38:08,698 --> 00:38:10,699 our lawyers are as good or better 727 00:38:10,699 --> 00:38:12,701 than the 'ivy league boys.' 728 00:38:14,202 --> 00:38:21,709 And I will have a second chance... 729 00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:23,712 to argue this case. 730 00:38:27,215 --> 00:38:30,218 Like the old saying, 731 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,724 "I'm a man of peace, but I adore a riot." 732 00:38:36,725 --> 00:38:39,110 Ming and I think the real key 733 00:38:39,111 --> 00:38:42,114 lies in the ex-confederate states in the south. 734 00:38:42,114 --> 00:38:44,116 It was a condition of their rejoining the union 735 00:38:44,616 --> 00:38:47,619 after the civil war that they adopt the 14th amendment. 736 00:38:47,619 --> 00:38:49,621 Congress insisted on it. 737 00:38:49,621 --> 00:38:53,124 Not one of these states put a single word 738 00:38:53,625 --> 00:38:54,626 about school segregation 739 00:38:54,626 --> 00:38:56,628 in their new state constitution. 740 00:38:56,628 --> 00:38:59,631 Now, we believe that this proved that they understood 741 00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:02,133 the Jim-Crow schools were outlawed 742 00:39:02,134 --> 00:39:03,135 by the 14th amendment. 743 00:39:03,135 --> 00:39:04,136 They had to toe the mark 744 00:39:04,136 --> 00:39:05,637 in order to get back into the union. 745 00:39:05,637 --> 00:39:06,638 Exactly. 746 00:39:06,638 --> 00:39:08,139 But some of those states turned around 747 00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:09,641 and put in segregated schools 748 00:39:09,641 --> 00:39:11,142 a year after 749 00:39:11,143 --> 00:39:12,644 the 14th amendment was ratified. 750 00:39:12,644 --> 00:39:16,147 And they've been operating segregated schools ever since. 751 00:39:16,648 --> 00:39:17,649 Professor Kelly, I'm not sure 752 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:19,650 your argument holds water. 753 00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:22,152 It sure doesn't. 754 00:39:26,157 --> 00:39:28,159 Back to the books, boys. 755 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,161 I'm sure if we give them a little more time, 756 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:31,662 Mr. Kelly and Mr. Ming 757 00:39:31,662 --> 00:39:33,664 will come up with something more solid. 758 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,674 Professor Black, is it necessary 759 00:39:44,175 --> 00:39:45,676 for you to be negative so much of the time? 760 00:39:45,676 --> 00:39:48,178 I'm not negative. I state facts. 761 00:39:51,182 --> 00:39:53,184 I've been intending to ask you-- 762 00:39:53,184 --> 00:39:54,185 out of all the legal 763 00:39:54,185 --> 00:39:56,687 and academic opportunities before you, 764 00:39:56,687 --> 00:39:59,690 just why did you end up here at the legal defense fund? 765 00:40:03,194 --> 00:40:05,696 Well, I'll tell you. 766 00:40:05,696 --> 00:40:08,699 I come from deep, deep in Texas, 767 00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,200 so deep I can't even remember 768 00:40:10,201 --> 00:40:11,702 hearing the word "Republican" 769 00:40:11,702 --> 00:40:14,204 before I was 18 years old. 770 00:40:14,705 --> 00:40:15,706 But I had heard 771 00:40:15,706 --> 00:40:17,708 of this really terrible organization 772 00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:21,211 way up north called the NAACP. 773 00:40:21,212 --> 00:40:24,215 It was an awful place with a great, big office 774 00:40:24,215 --> 00:40:26,717 all the way up there in New York, they said, 775 00:40:26,717 --> 00:40:28,718 and the worst thing of all about it 776 00:40:28,718 --> 00:40:29,719 was that right there in that office, 777 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:31,721 there was this room, 778 00:40:31,721 --> 00:40:33,222 a special, secret room 779 00:40:33,223 --> 00:40:35,725 with, uh, no windows and no doors 780 00:40:36,226 --> 00:40:38,728 and walls about a foot thick, 781 00:40:38,728 --> 00:40:39,729 and the only way that you could get in 782 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:43,233 was with a combination of this huge lock. 783 00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:44,734 And inside that room, they said, 784 00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:47,737 there was nothing but hooks on the walls, 785 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:50,740 hundreds and hundreds of hooks. 786 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,241 And do you know what was hanging 787 00:40:52,242 --> 00:40:54,744 on each and every one of those hooks? 788 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:56,746 What? 789 00:40:56,746 --> 00:40:59,248 Well, they said 790 00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:01,751 that on each of those hooks... 791 00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,753 was a key to the bedroom 792 00:41:03,753 --> 00:41:05,755 of a southern white woman. 793 00:41:07,257 --> 00:41:10,260 So I figured... 794 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:11,261 that is an organization 795 00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:13,763 I want to get involved in. 796 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:32,782 The family spokesman said the cause of death 797 00:41:32,782 --> 00:41:33,783 was a massive heart attack 798 00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:36,785 suffered at approximately 3:15 this morning 799 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:38,787 at his apartment in Washington. 800 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:42,791 The chief justice was 63 years old. 801 00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:43,792 Turning to baseball, 802 00:41:43,792 --> 00:41:45,794 the Dodgers topped the Phillies 3-2 803 00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:46,795 in 10 innings. 804 00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:49,297 The Giants shut out... 805 00:42:03,312 --> 00:42:04,313 Afternoon, sir. 806 00:42:04,313 --> 00:42:06,815 Mark. 807 00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,316 Was it a nice service? 808 00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:09,818 Yes. 809 00:42:09,818 --> 00:42:11,319 Was the president there? 810 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,821 Oh, yes. 811 00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:17,325 Mark, this is the first solid 812 00:42:17,826 --> 00:42:19,327 piece of evidence I've ever had 813 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:22,831 that there is a God in heaven. 814 00:42:22,831 --> 00:42:24,199 I can't help but think 815 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,201 that Vinson's successor will be better for us. 816 00:42:26,201 --> 00:42:27,702 The devil you know is better 817 00:42:27,703 --> 00:42:29,204 than the devil you don't know. 818 00:42:29,204 --> 00:42:31,206 I watched General Eisenhower testify in congress 819 00:42:31,707 --> 00:42:32,708 against desegregating the army 820 00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:34,209 below the platoon level. 821 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:35,711 I don't think President Eisenhower 822 00:42:35,711 --> 00:42:36,712 is gonna be looking for 823 00:42:36,712 --> 00:42:38,213 a civil rights chief justice. 824 00:42:38,213 --> 00:42:40,215 I still say the odds are we get someone 825 00:42:40,215 --> 00:42:42,217 less wedded to the past than Vinson. 826 00:42:42,217 --> 00:42:44,718 Times says Eisenhower may promote Justice Jackson 827 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,220 to the center seat 828 00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:47,721 and name an associate in his place. 829 00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:49,106 The republicans in the senate 830 00:42:49,106 --> 00:42:50,107 will fry Ike if he tries 831 00:42:50,608 --> 00:42:52,109 to put a democrat in the top spot. 832 00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:54,611 Anyway, whoever it's going to be, 833 00:42:54,612 --> 00:42:55,613 we got a ton of work to do. 834 00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:58,115 It's nearly midnight, so let's get to it. 835 00:42:58,115 --> 00:43:00,617 My spies tell me Foster Dulles can have it... 836 00:43:00,618 --> 00:43:02,119 if he wants it. 837 00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:06,123 Second choice--New York's own, governor Tom Dewey. 838 00:43:06,624 --> 00:43:09,627 Were I you, John, I should fire my spies. 839 00:43:10,127 --> 00:43:11,628 I have it on good authority-- 840 00:43:12,129 --> 00:43:16,133 and by good authority I mean 15 feet from the oval office-- 841 00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:19,136 that Ike made a deal at the republican convention. 842 00:43:19,136 --> 00:43:21,638 In return for delivering California, 843 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,141 the first vacancy on the supreme court 844 00:43:24,141 --> 00:43:26,643 goes to California's governor. 845 00:43:37,655 --> 00:43:39,657 I'm afraid you were right. 846 00:43:39,657 --> 00:43:41,158 For once, Greenberg? 847 00:43:41,158 --> 00:43:43,160 The new chief justice is the same man 848 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,662 who uprooted 80,000 'Japanese-Americans' 849 00:43:45,663 --> 00:43:47,665 during the war, confiscated their property, 850 00:43:47,665 --> 00:43:51,168 And sent them to internment camps. 851 00:43:51,168 --> 00:43:53,669 What was it a great man once said? 852 00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:55,672 "The devil you know..." 853 00:43:55,672 --> 00:43:57,173 Right. 854 00:43:57,173 --> 00:43:59,175 Boys, we've got to do 855 00:43:59,175 --> 00:44:00,676 what we've got to do. 856 00:44:00,677 --> 00:44:01,678 We've got to find 857 00:44:01,678 --> 00:44:02,679 something in the history 858 00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,681 that says we are right. 859 00:44:04,681 --> 00:44:06,182 Get Kelly, Ming, and the others 860 00:44:06,182 --> 00:44:07,183 on 18-hour shifts. 861 00:44:07,183 --> 00:44:08,184 We are not going to be 862 00:44:08,184 --> 00:44:09,185 sitting around worrying 863 00:44:09,185 --> 00:44:10,686 about who's sitting on the bench. 864 00:44:11,187 --> 00:44:11,687 Get back to it. 865 00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:17,310 So far, 866 00:44:17,811 --> 00:44:19,312 nothing appears to pose a problem 867 00:44:19,312 --> 00:44:21,697 for our position. 868 00:44:21,698 --> 00:44:24,701 Mr. Davis, if I may ask, 869 00:44:24,701 --> 00:44:26,202 how does governor Warren going on the court 870 00:44:26,202 --> 00:44:27,820 affect things? 871 00:44:27,821 --> 00:44:30,824 The post describes him as the colorless manager 872 00:44:30,824 --> 00:44:32,325 of a team of all-stars. 873 00:44:34,327 --> 00:44:36,962 I would think very little, Mr. Straight. 874 00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:38,831 Separate but equal has been upheld 875 00:44:39,332 --> 00:44:41,334 by the court 7 times, 876 00:44:41,718 --> 00:44:43,903 and the fact there is a division within the court 877 00:44:43,903 --> 00:44:46,405 should work to our advantage. 878 00:44:46,406 --> 00:44:48,157 There will be a great reluctance 879 00:44:48,158 --> 00:44:51,161 to overturn such an historic precedent 880 00:44:51,161 --> 00:44:52,662 on a close vote. 881 00:44:52,662 --> 00:44:55,548 Those men do not wish to create chaos. 882 00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:59,552 Comes down to the fact that the man is a politician, 883 00:44:59,552 --> 00:45:01,052 not a jurist. 884 00:45:01,053 --> 00:45:03,055 He's never before sat on the bench-- 885 00:45:03,055 --> 00:45:06,558 not even 5 minutes on a police court. 886 00:45:06,558 --> 00:45:08,560 No judicial philosophy. 887 00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:26,829 I'll get you settled in, Mr. Chief Justice. 888 00:45:26,829 --> 00:45:28,831 I'm going to need all the help I can get, 889 00:45:29,331 --> 00:45:30,832 I assure you. 890 00:45:30,833 --> 00:45:31,834 And your name? 891 00:45:32,334 --> 00:45:32,834 Patterson, sir. 892 00:45:33,335 --> 00:45:34,836 How do you do, Mr. Patterson? 893 00:45:34,837 --> 00:45:37,339 Sir. 894 00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:38,340 in California, 895 00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:42,844 I had 8,000 people working for me. 896 00:45:42,845 --> 00:45:43,846 This will be different. 897 00:46:14,742 --> 00:46:17,244 We have studied the history. 898 00:46:17,245 --> 00:46:18,746 The declaration of independence 899 00:46:18,746 --> 00:46:20,247 had glowing language proclaiming 900 00:46:20,248 --> 00:46:22,750 that all men are created equal, 901 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:24,251 with the inalienable right 902 00:46:24,252 --> 00:46:25,753 to life, liberty, 903 00:46:25,753 --> 00:46:27,755 and the pursuit of happiness, 904 00:46:27,755 --> 00:46:30,758 but the authors of the constitution 905 00:46:30,758 --> 00:46:32,259 included no such statement, 906 00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:33,761 a concession to the fact 907 00:46:33,761 --> 00:46:35,763 that our young republic 908 00:46:35,763 --> 00:46:38,265 tolerated human slavery. 909 00:46:38,766 --> 00:46:40,267 At the end of the civil war, 910 00:46:40,268 --> 00:46:42,270 congress passed the 13th amendment, 911 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:43,771 abolishing slavery, 912 00:46:43,771 --> 00:46:47,274 but it gave slaves no specific rights. 913 00:46:47,275 --> 00:46:49,777 The civil rights act of 1866 followed, 914 00:46:49,777 --> 00:46:52,162 and it was the cornerstone 915 00:46:52,163 --> 00:46:54,165 to the 14th amendment. 916 00:46:57,168 --> 00:47:01,172 We have probed the records, 917 00:47:01,172 --> 00:47:04,675 and frankly... 918 00:47:04,675 --> 00:47:06,677 we do not like what we find. 919 00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:10,180 The civil rights act was written 920 00:47:10,181 --> 00:47:12,683 with a no-discrimination clause, 921 00:47:12,683 --> 00:47:15,686 but congress removed it before it was passed. 922 00:47:15,686 --> 00:47:18,688 And nowhere in the debates on the 14th amendment 923 00:47:18,688 --> 00:47:21,691 do we find any statement that suggests 924 00:47:21,691 --> 00:47:24,193 that school segregation was an issue. 925 00:47:24,194 --> 00:47:26,696 We had hoped that abolitionist leaders 926 00:47:26,696 --> 00:47:29,198 like John Bingham and Thaddeus Stevens 927 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,201 would have recorded their position 928 00:47:31,701 --> 00:47:33,202 on segregation in schools. Nothing. 929 00:47:33,203 --> 00:47:35,205 That bears out our studies. 930 00:47:35,205 --> 00:47:36,206 See, public education 931 00:47:36,206 --> 00:47:38,208 was in its early stages. 932 00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:39,709 To newly freed slaves, 933 00:47:39,709 --> 00:47:40,710 education of any sort 934 00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:41,711 would have seemed 935 00:47:41,711 --> 00:47:43,212 a major step forward. 936 00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:45,215 We also have to face the fact 937 00:47:45,215 --> 00:47:48,718 that congress set up segregated schools 938 00:47:48,718 --> 00:47:51,721 in the district of Columbia 939 00:47:51,721 --> 00:47:52,722 and has supported that practice 940 00:47:52,722 --> 00:47:54,724 up to this very day. 941 00:47:55,225 --> 00:47:56,726 All in all, it gives us very little 942 00:47:56,726 --> 00:47:59,228 in the way of favorable evidence 943 00:47:59,229 --> 00:48:00,730 to answer the justices' question 944 00:48:01,231 --> 00:48:03,233 about the intent of the 14th amendment. 945 00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:05,234 Al, isn't there some way 946 00:48:05,235 --> 00:48:06,236 we could shape this history 947 00:48:06,236 --> 00:48:08,738 to make our case? 948 00:48:08,738 --> 00:48:11,741 I'm all for the cause, Bob, 949 00:48:11,741 --> 00:48:15,244 but I am an historian first. 950 00:48:15,245 --> 00:48:17,747 But there's got to be some way to nail it down. 951 00:48:17,747 --> 00:48:19,248 It's difficult to be precise 952 00:48:19,249 --> 00:48:22,752 about what people thought a century ago. 953 00:48:22,752 --> 00:48:24,753 So I think our strategy should be 954 00:48:25,254 --> 00:48:27,256 to bypass the court's question 955 00:48:27,256 --> 00:48:30,259 and argue this on broad humanitarian grounds. 956 00:48:30,259 --> 00:48:33,262 The fuel for the 14th amendment 957 00:48:33,262 --> 00:48:36,765 was a spirit of idealism and a sense of justice. 958 00:48:36,765 --> 00:48:38,266 The amendment meant what it said-- 959 00:48:38,767 --> 00:48:41,269 equal protection. 960 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:42,271 We believe we can win this 961 00:48:42,271 --> 00:48:45,274 by arguing the broad humanitarian approach. 962 00:48:45,274 --> 00:48:49,278 It is the moral position, and we are a moral nation. 963 00:48:53,282 --> 00:48:57,786 Ok, let's write it up that way. 964 00:49:12,801 --> 00:49:13,802 What gives? 965 00:49:17,306 --> 00:49:18,807 It'll never work. 966 00:49:19,808 --> 00:49:22,310 The broad humanitarian approach. 967 00:49:22,811 --> 00:49:26,314 Frankfurter will smell it in a second. 968 00:49:26,315 --> 00:49:27,816 He'll see it as evasive. 969 00:49:27,816 --> 00:49:30,318 It's too general, isn't it? 970 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,820 It's a long shot. 971 00:49:34,822 --> 00:49:36,323 Where's Kelly? 972 00:49:36,324 --> 00:49:38,326 He's going back to Detroit, morning train. 973 00:49:38,326 --> 00:49:39,827 Call him at the hotel. Try and catch him. 974 00:49:56,344 --> 00:49:57,845 Just pay the ones that have to be paid. 975 00:49:58,346 --> 00:49:59,347 That's what these are. 976 00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:02,350 Can't we just 977 00:50:02,350 --> 00:50:03,851 hold on to them a week or so? 978 00:50:03,851 --> 00:50:06,353 They'll turn the lights off again. 979 00:50:06,354 --> 00:50:07,855 We should talk to Thurgood. this is-- 980 00:50:07,855 --> 00:50:09,356 Thurgood is waiting for these. 981 00:50:16,364 --> 00:50:17,865 Marion? 982 00:50:17,865 --> 00:50:19,366 Marion, where are you going? 983 00:50:19,367 --> 00:50:22,370 It's 6:00, saturday. I have a date, 984 00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:24,372 and no paycheck for 3 weeks. 985 00:50:24,372 --> 00:50:25,373 Good night. 986 00:50:30,378 --> 00:50:31,379 Don't you know 987 00:50:31,379 --> 00:50:33,881 what you're doing in there? 988 00:50:33,881 --> 00:50:34,882 Don't you? 989 00:50:34,882 --> 00:50:38,385 I'm typing the same stuff over and over. 990 00:50:38,386 --> 00:50:39,887 If that stuff 991 00:50:39,887 --> 00:50:42,388 doesn't get typed... 992 00:50:44,391 --> 00:50:45,892 what you're doing in there 993 00:50:45,892 --> 00:50:48,394 is helping to make history. 994 00:50:50,397 --> 00:50:51,398 Good night. 995 00:51:02,409 --> 00:51:03,910 Thurgood, excuse me. 996 00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:06,412 I think the time has come for us to deal with this. 997 00:51:06,413 --> 00:51:07,914 Alice, would you run downstairs 998 00:51:07,914 --> 00:51:10,917 and grab us some sandwiches, please? 999 00:51:10,917 --> 00:51:14,420 The beginning of this needs to be tighter and clearer. 1000 00:51:17,924 --> 00:51:18,925 What are you doing, Alice? 1001 00:51:19,426 --> 00:51:20,427 Making history. 1002 00:51:29,436 --> 00:51:30,937 This is it! 1003 00:51:37,944 --> 00:51:38,444 Ha! 1004 00:51:47,204 --> 00:51:49,205 We got it. 1005 00:51:50,706 --> 00:51:51,707 Thaddeus Stevens. 1006 00:51:51,707 --> 00:51:52,708 Read it. 1007 00:51:52,708 --> 00:51:55,210 Thaddeus Stevens in the debate 1008 00:51:55,211 --> 00:51:56,712 on the floor of congress 1009 00:51:56,712 --> 00:51:58,213 when the amendment was first presented. 1010 00:51:58,214 --> 00:52:00,716 "Where any state makes distinctions 1011 00:52:00,716 --> 00:52:03,218 "between different classes of individuals, 1012 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,721 "congress shall have the power 1013 00:52:05,721 --> 00:52:07,222 "to correct such discriminations 1014 00:52:07,223 --> 00:52:08,724 "and inequality. 1015 00:52:08,724 --> 00:52:10,726 "No distinction would be tolerated 1016 00:52:10,726 --> 00:52:13,228 "in this purified republic 1017 00:52:13,229 --> 00:52:17,233 but what rose from merit and conduct." 1018 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,241 Place this 1019 00:52:25,241 --> 00:52:27,743 in the front section of the brief. 1020 00:52:30,246 --> 00:52:32,248 And send someone out for ice and bourbon. 1021 00:52:32,248 --> 00:52:35,751 Mr. Kelly needs a drink! 1022 00:52:56,272 --> 00:52:57,772 "These infant appellants 1023 00:52:57,772 --> 00:53:00,274 "are asserting the most important claims 1024 00:53:00,275 --> 00:53:03,778 "that can be put forward by children, 1025 00:53:03,778 --> 00:53:05,780 "the claim to their full measure 1026 00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:08,282 "of the chance to learn and grow 1027 00:53:08,283 --> 00:53:10,285 "and the inseparably connected 1028 00:53:10,285 --> 00:53:12,787 "but even more important claim 1029 00:53:12,787 --> 00:53:15,289 "to be treated as entire citizens 1030 00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:20,295 of the society into which they have been born." 1031 00:53:24,299 --> 00:53:26,301 You understand. 1032 00:53:27,802 --> 00:53:30,805 Professor, you are a negro. 1033 00:54:16,466 --> 00:54:21,471 Honey, this is too tough a trip for you. 1034 00:54:21,471 --> 00:54:23,973 I'll be back in a couple of days. 1035 00:54:23,974 --> 00:54:25,976 You'd be better off here. 1036 00:54:25,976 --> 00:54:29,479 I will be in that courtroom 1037 00:54:29,479 --> 00:54:31,481 on tuesday morning. 1038 00:54:33,984 --> 00:54:34,985 New hat? 1039 00:54:35,986 --> 00:54:37,487 It's pretty. 1040 00:54:37,487 --> 00:54:39,489 It is the hat I wore last year 1041 00:54:39,489 --> 00:54:42,492 at the first supreme court argument. 1042 00:54:44,494 --> 00:54:46,496 I hope it's... 1043 00:54:46,496 --> 00:54:47,997 a luckier hat this year. 1044 00:54:50,384 --> 00:54:53,387 In Clarendon school district number one 1045 00:54:53,387 --> 00:54:54,888 in South Carolina, 1046 00:54:54,888 --> 00:54:58,892 there are 2,799 registered negro children 1047 00:54:59,142 --> 00:55:00,643 of school age. 1048 00:55:00,644 --> 00:55:03,647 There are 295 white children. 1049 00:55:03,647 --> 00:55:09,653 The state has now provided those 2,800 negro children 1050 00:55:09,653 --> 00:55:11,655 with schools that are, 1051 00:55:11,655 --> 00:55:15,658 as Mr. Marshall has so positively admitted, 1052 00:55:15,658 --> 00:55:18,160 equal in every respect. 1053 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,163 In fact, because of their being newer, 1054 00:55:21,163 --> 00:55:22,664 they may even be better 1055 00:55:23,165 --> 00:55:25,667 than the schools of the 295 white children. 1056 00:55:25,668 --> 00:55:29,171 Now, who's going to disturb that situation? 1057 00:55:29,672 --> 00:55:31,173 If these children were to be reassorted 1058 00:55:31,674 --> 00:55:33,175 on a mathematical basis, 1059 00:55:33,175 --> 00:55:36,178 you would have 27 negro children 1060 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:37,680 and 3 white children 1061 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,682 in each schoolroom. 1062 00:55:41,183 --> 00:55:44,186 Would that make the children any happier? 1063 00:55:44,186 --> 00:55:46,188 Would they learn more quickly? 1064 00:55:46,188 --> 00:55:48,690 Your honors cannot sit 1065 00:55:48,691 --> 00:55:50,693 as a glorified board of education 1066 00:55:51,193 --> 00:55:52,310 for the state of South Carolina 1067 00:55:52,311 --> 00:55:53,812 or any other state. 1068 00:55:53,813 --> 00:55:55,815 Nor, I respectfully submit, 1069 00:55:55,815 --> 00:55:56,816 can this court sit 1070 00:55:56,816 --> 00:55:58,317 in the chairs of the legislature 1071 00:55:58,317 --> 00:55:59,818 of South Carolina 1072 00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,323 and mold its educational system. 1073 00:56:04,323 --> 00:56:06,325 The state establishes the schools, 1074 00:56:06,325 --> 00:56:07,826 it pays the funds, 1075 00:56:08,327 --> 00:56:12,831 and it has the sole power to educate its citizens. 1076 00:56:12,832 --> 00:56:14,834 The state of South Carolina 1077 00:56:15,334 --> 00:56:18,337 does not come here in sackcloth and ashes. 1078 00:56:18,337 --> 00:56:19,338 Its laws do not offend 1079 00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:21,841 the constitution of the United States. 1080 00:56:21,841 --> 00:56:24,342 It is convinced that the happiness 1081 00:56:24,342 --> 00:56:26,844 and the progress and the welfare 1082 00:56:26,845 --> 00:56:27,846 of these children 1083 00:56:28,346 --> 00:56:30,848 is best promoted in segregated schools, 1084 00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:33,852 and it would be a thousand pities 1085 00:56:33,852 --> 00:56:36,354 that, by this controversy, 1086 00:56:36,354 --> 00:56:37,855 it might be ordered to abandon 1087 00:56:37,856 --> 00:56:39,858 what it has created. 1088 00:56:39,858 --> 00:56:42,360 I am reminded of Aesop's Fable 1089 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,362 of the dog and the meat. 1090 00:56:44,612 --> 00:56:47,114 The dog, with a fine piece of meat in his mouth, 1091 00:56:47,115 --> 00:56:48,616 crossed a bridge. 1092 00:56:48,616 --> 00:56:50,117 He saw the shadow in the stream, 1093 00:56:50,118 --> 00:56:52,120 and he plunged for it. 1094 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,125 And he lost both the shadow and the substance. 1095 00:56:57,125 --> 00:56:59,127 Now, here is equal education, 1096 00:56:59,127 --> 00:57:01,629 not prophesied, but present. 1097 00:57:01,629 --> 00:57:03,130 Shall it be thrown away 1098 00:57:03,131 --> 00:57:09,137 on some--some fancied question of racial prestige? 1099 00:57:09,137 --> 00:57:10,138 It is not my part 1100 00:57:10,638 --> 00:57:12,640 to offer advice to the appellants 1101 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,143 and certainly not to the learned counselor. 1102 00:57:16,144 --> 00:57:19,647 No doubt they think what they propose is best. 1103 00:57:19,647 --> 00:57:21,148 But I entreat them to remember 1104 00:57:21,149 --> 00:57:22,650 the age-old motto 1105 00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:27,655 that the best is often the enemy of the good. 1106 00:57:36,663 --> 00:57:37,163 Mr. Marshall, 1107 00:57:37,664 --> 00:57:40,166 you have 5 minutes for rebuttal. 1108 00:57:54,681 --> 00:57:56,683 May it please the court... 1109 00:57:58,685 --> 00:58:03,690 The 14th amendment was put into our constitution 1110 00:58:04,191 --> 00:58:08,195 after one of the worst wars ever fought. 1111 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,203 The duty of enforcing the 14th amendment 1112 00:58:16,203 --> 00:58:18,205 is placed upon this court 1113 00:58:18,205 --> 00:58:21,208 to make sure that the states, 1114 00:58:21,708 --> 00:58:24,711 in administering their functions, 1115 00:58:24,711 --> 00:58:29,215 disregard little pet feelings 1116 00:58:29,216 --> 00:58:31,218 about race. 1117 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:37,974 The negroes who are forced to submit to segregation 1118 00:58:37,975 --> 00:58:41,477 are all american citizens 1119 00:58:41,477 --> 00:58:44,980 who, by accident of birth, 1120 00:58:44,981 --> 00:58:47,483 are a different color. 1121 00:58:47,483 --> 00:58:51,870 And the color makes no difference 1122 00:58:51,871 --> 00:58:53,372 one way or another 1123 00:58:53,372 --> 00:58:58,877 insofar as this court is concerned. 1124 00:59:01,881 --> 00:59:08,387 Harry Briggs, Jr. is guaranteed by the state 1125 00:59:08,387 --> 00:59:11,890 some 12 years of education. 1126 00:59:11,891 --> 00:59:18,898 There is no way you can repay lost school years, 1127 00:59:18,898 --> 00:59:19,899 but... 1128 00:59:21,901 --> 00:59:25,905 they say leave it to the states 1129 00:59:25,905 --> 00:59:28,407 until they work it out. 1130 00:59:28,407 --> 00:59:32,277 I got the feeling on hearing the discussion earlier 1131 00:59:32,778 --> 00:59:35,280 that when you put a white child in a school 1132 00:59:35,281 --> 00:59:38,284 with a whole lot of colored children, 1133 00:59:38,284 --> 00:59:41,287 the child would fall apart. 1134 00:59:42,288 --> 00:59:44,790 Everyone knows 1135 00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:48,292 that is not true. 1136 00:59:52,297 --> 00:59:54,799 Those same kids 1137 00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:58,302 in Virginia and South Carolina-- 1138 00:59:58,303 --> 01:00:04,809 and I... have seen them do it-- 1139 01:00:04,809 --> 01:00:10,314 they play in the streets together. 1140 01:00:12,817 --> 01:00:16,320 They separate to go to school. 1141 01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:23,828 They come out of school and play ball together. 1142 01:00:26,831 --> 01:00:32,336 But they have to be separated in school. 1143 01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:38,343 There must be some magic to it. 1144 01:00:39,844 --> 01:00:41,846 You can have them going 1145 01:00:41,846 --> 01:00:46,350 to the same state university and to the same college, 1146 01:00:46,351 --> 01:00:51,856 but if they go to elementary and high school together, 1147 01:00:51,856 --> 01:00:54,858 the world will fall apart. 1148 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,363 The only way that this court 1149 01:00:59,363 --> 01:01:00,864 can decide this case 1150 01:01:00,864 --> 01:01:03,366 in opposition to our position 1151 01:01:03,367 --> 01:01:06,370 is to find some reason 1152 01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:08,872 which gives the state the right... 1153 01:01:10,874 --> 01:01:13,877 to make a classification in regards to negroes 1154 01:01:13,877 --> 01:01:17,380 that they can make in regard to nothing else, 1155 01:01:17,381 --> 01:01:19,383 and we submit... 1156 01:01:22,886 --> 01:01:26,389 the only way to arrive at this decision 1157 01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:29,393 is to find that, for some reason, 1158 01:01:29,393 --> 01:01:35,899 negroes are inferior to all other human beings. 1159 01:01:38,402 --> 01:01:40,404 Nobody... 1160 01:01:41,905 --> 01:01:46,409 will stand in this court and say that 1161 01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:51,915 because they would have to justify it. 1162 01:01:53,917 --> 01:01:57,420 It can only be one thing... 1163 01:02:00,924 --> 01:02:02,926 an inherent determination 1164 01:02:02,926 --> 01:02:06,929 that the people who were formerly in slavery 1165 01:02:06,929 --> 01:02:13,435 shall be kept as near that condition 1166 01:02:13,436 --> 01:02:15,938 as is possible. 1167 01:02:18,441 --> 01:02:19,442 Now... 1168 01:02:19,942 --> 01:02:21,443 is the time. 1169 01:02:21,444 --> 01:02:24,947 we submit that this court 1170 01:02:24,947 --> 01:02:27,449 should make it clear... 1171 01:02:29,452 --> 01:02:32,955 that 'that' is not 1172 01:02:32,955 --> 01:02:36,458 what the Constitution of the United States 1173 01:02:36,459 --> 01:02:38,961 stands for. 1174 01:02:45,468 --> 01:02:47,970 Thank you, sir. 1175 01:02:49,972 --> 01:02:50,973 Thank you, Mr. Marshall. 1176 01:03:10,877 --> 01:03:12,878 Thurgood. 1177 01:03:12,878 --> 01:03:14,379 Crab soup. 1178 01:03:14,379 --> 01:03:16,881 Oh, I know it's crab soup. 1179 01:03:25,891 --> 01:03:26,892 Hot. 1180 01:03:30,395 --> 01:03:31,396 Mmm. 1181 01:03:32,898 --> 01:03:35,400 That's good. 1182 01:03:39,404 --> 01:03:41,406 Very good, Thurgood. 1183 01:03:53,418 --> 01:03:55,036 We concede Douglas and Black 1184 01:03:55,537 --> 01:03:57,038 to the other side. 1185 01:03:57,038 --> 01:04:00,041 Reed and Clark should vote with us. 1186 01:04:00,041 --> 01:04:01,042 Jackson and Frankfurter 1187 01:04:01,042 --> 01:04:03,544 are leaning towards our point of view-- 1188 01:04:04,045 --> 01:04:05,046 judicial restraint. 1189 01:04:05,046 --> 01:04:08,049 That's 4, and we should pick up another vote 1190 01:04:08,550 --> 01:04:10,051 from Minton or from Burton 1191 01:04:10,051 --> 01:04:12,553 or from chief justice Warren. 1192 01:04:12,554 --> 01:04:16,057 How are you getting on with the new chief? 1193 01:04:16,057 --> 01:04:18,559 I've discovered that he listens, 1194 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,060 though he is untutored in the law. 1195 01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:21,561 Well, it could be argued 1196 01:04:21,562 --> 01:04:23,063 that's an ideal combination 1197 01:04:23,063 --> 01:04:24,564 for a chief justice-- 1198 01:04:24,565 --> 01:04:26,567 open-minded and flexible. 1199 01:04:26,567 --> 01:04:29,570 Well, I hope y'all get down to it. 1200 01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:33,073 It's not that tough a call, as I see it. 1201 01:04:33,073 --> 01:04:36,076 For those who do not have to decide, it is easy. 1202 01:04:36,076 --> 01:04:38,078 The humanitarian thing to do 1203 01:04:38,078 --> 01:04:40,080 is to strike down segregation, 1204 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,581 but nothing presented to us-- 1205 01:04:41,582 --> 01:04:43,584 neither history nor legal precedent-- 1206 01:04:44,084 --> 01:04:45,085 offers any help. 1207 01:04:45,085 --> 01:04:48,088 I think Jackson wants to toss it to Congress. 1208 01:04:48,088 --> 01:04:50,590 The authority for enforcing the 14th amendment-- 1209 01:04:50,591 --> 01:04:52,342 Sir. Sir, if I may, 1210 01:04:52,343 --> 01:04:53,844 the negroes are the group for whom 1211 01:04:53,844 --> 01:04:56,346 the 14th amendment was written. 1212 01:04:56,347 --> 01:04:57,848 It's for their protection. 1213 01:04:57,848 --> 01:04:59,850 And since 1868, everybody else 1214 01:04:59,850 --> 01:05:01,852 has come to this court invoking the protection 1215 01:05:01,852 --> 01:05:02,853 of the 14th amendment. 1216 01:05:02,853 --> 01:05:05,355 Corporations and Chinese and aliens 1217 01:05:05,356 --> 01:05:07,858 and everybody else come in and claim 1218 01:05:07,858 --> 01:05:08,859 they've been denied equal protection 1219 01:05:08,859 --> 01:05:10,360 of the laws. 1220 01:05:10,361 --> 01:05:12,363 They come to the supreme court 1221 01:05:12,863 --> 01:05:14,865 of the United States, and you listen to them. 1222 01:05:14,865 --> 01:05:16,366 And if you find that their rights 1223 01:05:16,367 --> 01:05:18,869 have been violated, then you take care of them. 1224 01:05:18,869 --> 01:05:20,871 But when the one group for whose protection 1225 01:05:20,871 --> 01:05:22,873 the 14th amendment was written-- 1226 01:05:22,873 --> 01:05:24,875 the negroes--come in and ask you for relief, 1227 01:05:24,875 --> 01:05:27,377 Jackson wants you to say yes, 1228 01:05:27,378 --> 01:05:28,378 your constitutional rights 1229 01:05:28,378 --> 01:05:30,880 have been violated, but don't come to us. 1230 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,881 You go across the street, 1231 01:05:31,881 --> 01:05:33,883 you ask congress to give you relief. 1232 01:05:33,883 --> 01:05:37,386 We're not gonna give you a damn thing. 1233 01:05:41,391 --> 01:05:42,392 Mark... 1234 01:05:44,394 --> 01:05:48,398 at Harvard I would have given you an "A" for that. 1235 01:05:55,405 --> 01:05:56,406 Tempus fugit. 1236 01:05:56,406 --> 01:05:59,909 I'm exactly where I was one year ago. 1237 01:05:59,909 --> 01:06:02,912 I'm prepared to vote to desegregate, 1238 01:06:02,912 --> 01:06:05,915 and if my vote should be in the minority, 1239 01:06:05,915 --> 01:06:10,419 I shall write as strong a dissent as I know how. 1240 01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:12,422 After reading over 1,500 pages, 1241 01:06:12,422 --> 01:06:14,924 I have yet to discover a basis 1242 01:06:15,425 --> 01:06:17,927 in the constitution or the 14th amendment 1243 01:06:17,927 --> 01:06:20,429 that allows us to order the states 1244 01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:21,931 to do with their schools 1245 01:06:21,931 --> 01:06:23,933 that which they do not wish to do. 1246 01:06:23,933 --> 01:06:26,435 I was very taken by something 1247 01:06:26,436 --> 01:06:27,937 Mr. hurgood Marshall said. 1248 01:06:27,937 --> 01:06:30,940 "The only way the court can decide this case 1249 01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:32,942 "in opposition to our position 1250 01:06:32,942 --> 01:06:34,944 "is to find that, for some reason, 1251 01:06:34,944 --> 01:06:36,444 "negroes are inferior 1252 01:06:36,445 --> 01:06:37,946 to all other human beings." 1253 01:06:37,946 --> 01:06:40,448 Hugo, I base my view on the law, 1254 01:06:40,449 --> 01:06:42,451 and nothing in the law 1255 01:06:42,451 --> 01:06:44,953 tells us that we can tell South Carolina 1256 01:06:44,953 --> 01:06:47,455 to abolish separate schools. 1257 01:06:47,456 --> 01:06:49,958 This country has been making great strides 1258 01:06:49,958 --> 01:06:51,459 in race relations. 1259 01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:55,464 A careless decision here could halt that progress. 1260 01:06:55,464 --> 01:06:57,966 How do you see that happening, Stanley? 1261 01:06:57,966 --> 01:06:59,467 If the american people 1262 01:06:59,468 --> 01:07:01,970 feel that a bunch of liberals in Washington 1263 01:07:01,970 --> 01:07:03,972 are forcing their social views 1264 01:07:03,972 --> 01:07:04,973 on the states, 1265 01:07:04,973 --> 01:07:06,975 there will be... 1266 01:07:06,975 --> 01:07:08,476 profound resentment. 1267 01:07:08,977 --> 01:07:11,479 I've seen the race problem more closely 1268 01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:12,981 than most of you. 1269 01:07:13,482 --> 01:07:14,983 I'm concerned about the possibility 1270 01:07:14,983 --> 01:07:18,486 of violence, massive resistance. 1271 01:07:18,487 --> 01:07:20,489 What if we say desegregate 1272 01:07:20,489 --> 01:07:21,990 and they refuse? 1273 01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:24,492 Can we send the army into South Carolina 1274 01:07:24,493 --> 01:07:25,494 to enforce it? 1275 01:07:25,494 --> 01:07:27,496 Send the army into 20 states? 1276 01:07:27,496 --> 01:07:29,498 I'm surprised that the history provides 1277 01:07:29,498 --> 01:07:32,501 so little in the way of legal footing 1278 01:07:32,501 --> 01:07:35,003 for striking down segregation. 1279 01:07:35,003 --> 01:07:38,006 I find I'm arguing with myself. 1280 01:07:38,006 --> 01:07:41,009 My heart tells me segregation is wrong. 1281 01:07:41,009 --> 01:07:45,012 The law tells me not to interfere with the states. 1282 01:07:45,513 --> 01:07:48,516 I do not like the idea of segregation, 1283 01:07:48,516 --> 01:07:50,017 but for 100 years, the south 1284 01:07:50,017 --> 01:07:52,519 has had segregated school systems, 1285 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,023 and this court has told them it was legal. 1286 01:07:56,023 --> 01:07:58,025 We can't just turn on a dime and say 1287 01:07:58,025 --> 01:08:00,027 tomorrow morning, things will be different. 1288 01:08:00,027 --> 01:08:02,029 Nor can we continue to say 1289 01:08:02,029 --> 01:08:04,531 that in The United States of America, 1290 01:08:04,532 --> 01:08:05,533 all men are equal, 1291 01:08:05,533 --> 01:08:08,035 but that white men are more equal than others. 1292 01:08:08,035 --> 01:08:11,038 For God's sake, let's decide the principle. 1293 01:08:11,038 --> 01:08:13,040 We can remain flexible on how to implement it. 1294 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,541 Disaster. 1295 01:08:14,542 --> 01:08:18,546 This court is expected to be precise and clear. 1296 01:08:18,546 --> 01:08:21,549 Felix, you say you're arguing with yourself. 1297 01:08:21,549 --> 01:08:23,551 Perhaps you'd prepare a memorandum 1298 01:08:23,551 --> 01:08:26,554 outlining the issues and offering some suggestions 1299 01:08:26,554 --> 01:08:29,557 as to where our choices lie. 1300 01:08:31,058 --> 01:08:32,559 Thank you, gentlemen. 1301 01:08:42,069 --> 01:08:44,571 Our great civil libertarian 1302 01:08:44,572 --> 01:08:46,073 is going to get us in the soup. 1303 01:08:46,073 --> 01:08:47,574 Douglas is so abrasive, 1304 01:08:47,575 --> 01:08:49,577 he makes conciliation and compromise 1305 01:08:49,577 --> 01:08:51,078 even more difficult. 1306 01:08:51,078 --> 01:08:53,079 He obviously feels very deeply. 1307 01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,081 Douglas is a great humanitarian 1308 01:08:55,081 --> 01:08:56,082 in the abstract. 1309 01:08:56,082 --> 01:08:58,084 He just can't stand people. 1310 01:09:10,730 --> 01:09:12,231 Almost ready. 1311 01:09:12,232 --> 01:09:13,733 Sir, these will be better 1312 01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:16,235 than your city shoes. 1313 01:09:16,236 --> 01:09:18,238 Well... 1314 01:09:18,738 --> 01:09:20,740 Thank you, Mr. Patterson. 1315 01:09:24,244 --> 01:09:26,246 You know the roads, Mr. Patterson. 1316 01:09:26,246 --> 01:09:27,747 Oh, yes, sir. 1317 01:09:27,864 --> 01:09:30,366 I've been out this way many times before. 1318 01:09:30,366 --> 01:09:33,869 The war between the states is one of my hobbies. 1319 01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:35,871 Manassas, bull run... 1320 01:09:36,372 --> 01:09:39,375 just a short drive from the city. 1321 01:09:39,876 --> 01:09:41,878 You ever been to Gettysburg before, sir? 1322 01:09:41,878 --> 01:09:43,880 No, no. 1323 01:09:44,380 --> 01:09:47,883 For me, one of the pleasures of living in the east 1324 01:09:48,384 --> 01:09:50,386 will be to see some of these things. 1325 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,275 Little round top. Meade had the high ground. 1326 01:09:56,276 --> 01:09:58,278 He had the artillery, too. 1327 01:09:58,278 --> 01:10:00,779 That was the whole story. 1328 01:10:00,779 --> 01:10:03,281 In the winter of 1944 in Italy, 1329 01:10:03,782 --> 01:10:05,900 we were pinned down in the Sergio Valley 1330 01:10:05,901 --> 01:10:07,903 for 2 weeks. 1331 01:10:07,903 --> 01:10:09,905 The gerrys had the hilltop. 1332 01:10:09,905 --> 01:10:12,908 They were pouring their .88s down in on us. 1333 01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,409 Bloodied us real bad. 1334 01:10:14,409 --> 01:10:16,911 Taught me a whole lot 1335 01:10:16,912 --> 01:10:20,415 about the value of high ground. 1336 01:10:38,684 --> 01:10:41,186 So simple... 1337 01:10:41,186 --> 01:10:42,687 yet so strong. 1338 01:10:45,941 --> 01:10:48,944 "It is rather for us to be here dedicated 1339 01:10:48,944 --> 01:10:52,948 "to the great task remaining before us-- 1340 01:10:52,948 --> 01:10:54,950 "that from these honored dead 1341 01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:56,952 "we take increased devotion 1342 01:10:56,952 --> 01:10:59,454 "for that cause for which they gave 1343 01:10:59,955 --> 01:11:02,457 "the last full measure of devotion-- 1344 01:11:02,457 --> 01:11:05,460 "that we here highly resolve 1345 01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:09,463 "that these dead shall not have died in vain-- 1346 01:11:09,964 --> 01:11:11,465 "that this nation, under god, 1347 01:11:11,966 --> 01:11:14,468 "shall have a new birth of freedom-- 1348 01:11:14,969 --> 01:11:16,971 "and that government of the people, 1349 01:11:17,471 --> 01:11:19,473 "by the people, for the people 1350 01:11:19,974 --> 01:11:21,475 "shall not perish 1351 01:11:21,475 --> 01:11:22,609 from the earth." 1352 01:11:26,614 --> 01:11:28,115 On to Manassas, sir? 1353 01:12:13,277 --> 01:12:14,778 Good morning, sir. 1354 01:12:14,779 --> 01:12:15,780 Mr. Patterson, 1355 01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:17,280 why are you sleeping in there? 1356 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,782 Sir, I couldn't find a place... 1357 01:12:21,785 --> 01:12:25,789 Sir, there's no place within 20 miles of here 1358 01:12:25,789 --> 01:12:27,290 where I'd... 1359 01:12:35,799 --> 01:12:37,801 let's get back to Washington. 1360 01:12:54,818 --> 01:12:57,704 "To be treated as entire citizens 1361 01:12:57,704 --> 01:12:58,705 "of the society 1362 01:12:58,705 --> 01:13:00,707 into which they've been born." 1363 01:13:07,714 --> 01:13:08,715 Come in, Mark. 1364 01:13:08,715 --> 01:13:11,718 It's Earl Warren. 1365 01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:15,221 Earl. 1366 01:13:18,725 --> 01:13:19,726 Felix. 1367 01:13:25,731 --> 01:13:27,733 Felix, this court must vote 1368 01:13:27,733 --> 01:13:29,234 to desegregate. 1369 01:13:29,234 --> 01:13:32,604 I believe that this is a moral issue, 1370 01:13:32,604 --> 01:13:35,106 one that goes deep into the soul 1371 01:13:35,107 --> 01:13:36,608 of our nation. 1372 01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:40,112 The more I ponder this, 1373 01:13:40,612 --> 01:13:42,113 the more I believe 1374 01:13:42,114 --> 01:13:43,615 the separate but equal idea 1375 01:13:44,116 --> 01:13:45,617 is based on the concept 1376 01:13:46,118 --> 01:13:48,120 that the colored race is inferior 1377 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,622 and that those who sustain it 1378 01:13:50,622 --> 01:13:52,624 must be willing to acknowledge that. 1379 01:13:52,624 --> 01:13:54,125 Now... 1380 01:13:56,128 --> 01:13:57,129 I believe my vote 1381 01:13:57,629 --> 01:14:00,131 will make a majority of 5. 1382 01:14:00,132 --> 01:14:01,633 I will assign the writing 1383 01:14:02,134 --> 01:14:04,136 of the opinion to myself. 1384 01:14:04,136 --> 01:14:06,638 I hope to write it in a way 1385 01:14:06,638 --> 01:14:08,139 that will bring others with me. 1386 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,643 What do I have to do to have you with me? 1387 01:14:15,647 --> 01:14:16,648 You're a man 1388 01:14:16,648 --> 01:14:19,651 from the hurly-burly of public life, Earl. 1389 01:14:19,651 --> 01:14:21,152 I'm a man from the private world 1390 01:14:21,653 --> 01:14:22,654 of the jurist. 1391 01:14:22,654 --> 01:14:25,657 We both know what is right here, 1392 01:14:25,657 --> 01:14:29,661 but to you it seems... less complicated. 1393 01:14:29,661 --> 01:14:31,663 Neither history nor legal precedent 1394 01:14:31,663 --> 01:14:33,164 gives us reason, 1395 01:14:33,165 --> 01:14:35,666 but there are times when the court 1396 01:14:35,666 --> 01:14:38,669 must be free to interpret the constitution 1397 01:14:38,669 --> 01:14:41,672 based on the changes in men's feeling 1398 01:14:41,672 --> 01:14:44,174 for what is right and just. 1399 01:14:44,175 --> 01:14:47,178 The humanitarian goal will have to do. 1400 01:14:47,178 --> 01:14:50,681 But if you force a sharply divided decision, 1401 01:14:50,681 --> 01:14:53,183 you will have accomplished no good. 1402 01:14:53,184 --> 01:14:55,686 You must work to unite the court. 1403 01:14:55,686 --> 01:14:57,187 How, Felix? 1404 01:14:57,188 --> 01:14:58,689 Jackson. 1405 01:14:58,689 --> 01:15:01,191 You must persuade him to vote with us 1406 01:15:01,692 --> 01:15:03,694 and not to write a separate opinion. 1407 01:15:03,694 --> 01:15:06,697 You must talk to him, convince him, 1408 01:15:06,697 --> 01:15:09,199 and then, if you're successful, 1409 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,701 Clark, he should follow. 1410 01:15:11,202 --> 01:15:14,205 Stanley Reed will be the most difficult. 1411 01:15:16,207 --> 01:15:17,208 Can reed be turned? 1412 01:15:17,208 --> 01:15:20,711 Only by you. but Jackson first. 1413 01:15:27,602 --> 01:15:29,604 If you write an opinion, 1414 01:15:29,604 --> 01:15:32,106 I will study it with an open mind. 1415 01:15:32,106 --> 01:15:33,607 That's all I ask. 1416 01:15:33,608 --> 01:15:36,611 But an open mind cannot change 1417 01:15:36,611 --> 01:15:38,112 my belief that this matter 1418 01:15:38,112 --> 01:15:40,614 rightfully belongs to the congress. 1419 01:15:43,617 --> 01:15:47,621 Earl, you are looking for a... 1420 01:15:47,621 --> 01:15:49,623 congenial political solution 1421 01:15:49,623 --> 01:15:50,624 to the problem. 1422 01:15:50,624 --> 01:15:52,626 I'm looking for a way to do what I think 1423 01:15:52,626 --> 01:15:56,630 we both believe is the right thing to do. 1424 01:15:58,131 --> 01:16:01,634 The only possible way, in my view, 1425 01:16:01,635 --> 01:16:04,638 to write a decision to end segregation 1426 01:16:04,638 --> 01:16:06,640 with intellectual honesty 1427 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,642 is to argue 1428 01:16:08,642 --> 01:16:10,644 that the majestic generalities 1429 01:16:10,644 --> 01:16:11,645 of the constitution 1430 01:16:11,645 --> 01:16:15,148 have a content and a significance 1431 01:16:15,148 --> 01:16:19,652 that vary from age to age. 1432 01:16:19,653 --> 01:16:20,654 Yes? 1433 01:16:22,155 --> 01:16:25,658 I don't like it, but you can try it. 1434 01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:40,540 I like this. 1435 01:16:43,043 --> 01:16:44,544 I've got control. 1436 01:16:44,544 --> 01:16:46,045 With the courts, 1437 01:16:46,046 --> 01:16:49,549 all I can do is wait. 1438 01:16:55,554 --> 01:16:56,555 Buster... 1439 01:16:56,555 --> 01:16:59,057 The time I got the job as a waiter 1440 01:16:59,058 --> 01:17:01,060 with the Baltimore & Ohio... 1441 01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:04,063 Your daddy got you that job. 1442 01:17:05,564 --> 01:17:07,566 They handed me a uniform... 1443 01:17:09,568 --> 01:17:11,570 white coat, 1444 01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:14,072 black pants that fit real nice, 1445 01:17:14,073 --> 01:17:17,076 except they stopped just above the ankles 1446 01:17:17,076 --> 01:17:18,577 6 inches too short. 1447 01:17:18,577 --> 01:17:22,080 I went to the man in charge, and I said, 1448 01:17:22,081 --> 01:17:25,584 "Sir, I need to have another pair of pants. 1449 01:17:25,584 --> 01:17:27,085 These are too short." 1450 01:17:30,089 --> 01:17:32,091 The man looked me over, 1451 01:17:32,091 --> 01:17:34,093 and you know what he said? 1452 01:17:36,095 --> 01:17:39,598 He said, "Don't you know it's easier for me 1453 01:17:39,598 --> 01:17:41,600 "to get a shorter negro 1454 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,604 than it is to get another uniform?" 1455 01:17:50,109 --> 01:17:52,611 It makes me angry. 1456 01:17:52,611 --> 01:17:55,614 That was a long time ago. 1457 01:17:57,116 --> 01:18:00,118 Mm-mmm. I mean about being sick. 1458 01:18:03,121 --> 01:18:05,623 Changes are coming-- 1459 01:18:05,623 --> 01:18:09,627 Changes we never dared dream about... 1460 01:18:09,627 --> 01:18:12,129 and I may not see them. 1461 01:18:25,143 --> 01:18:29,647 I want to see the things we've worked for... 1462 01:18:30,148 --> 01:18:33,651 all the changes that will come. 1463 01:18:35,653 --> 01:18:37,655 You'll see changes. 1464 01:18:37,655 --> 01:18:42,159 You will see a different world. 1465 01:18:44,162 --> 01:18:45,663 And you know something? 1466 01:18:47,665 --> 01:18:50,167 You'll know we made a difference. 1467 01:19:17,828 --> 01:19:19,329 Douglas. 1468 01:19:21,331 --> 01:19:22,332 Black. 1469 01:19:24,334 --> 01:19:24,834 Minton. 1470 01:19:27,838 --> 01:19:28,338 Burton. 1471 01:19:31,842 --> 01:19:32,342 Warren. 1472 01:19:35,345 --> 01:19:36,346 Frankfurter. 1473 01:19:39,850 --> 01:19:40,851 Jackson, 1474 01:19:40,851 --> 01:19:42,853 Clark... 1475 01:19:42,853 --> 01:19:43,854 and Reed. 1476 01:19:58,368 --> 01:20:00,870 Miss McHugh, Mr. Patterson-- 1477 01:20:00,871 --> 01:20:02,372 Work to do. 1478 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,383 Now, if you would... type this, please? 1479 01:20:13,383 --> 01:20:14,384 Yes, sir. 1480 01:20:14,384 --> 01:20:15,884 I will review it. 1481 01:20:15,885 --> 01:20:17,386 Then, Mr. Patterson, 1482 01:20:17,386 --> 01:20:20,389 if you would take it to the print shop 1483 01:20:20,389 --> 01:20:22,391 and order 9 copies, 1484 01:20:22,391 --> 01:20:23,892 only 9. 1485 01:20:24,894 --> 01:20:25,895 Yes, sir. 1486 01:20:35,654 --> 01:20:38,023 May I guess why you're here? 1487 01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:48,533 I will vote to desegregate 1488 01:20:48,534 --> 01:20:51,537 if...if the opinion 1489 01:20:51,537 --> 01:20:53,539 gives the southern states time. 1490 01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:55,040 We're not dealing just with law. 1491 01:20:55,541 --> 01:20:58,544 We are dealing with a social revolution. 1492 01:20:58,544 --> 01:20:59,545 It needs time. 1493 01:20:59,545 --> 01:21:01,046 You read that, Tom. 1494 01:21:01,046 --> 01:21:03,048 It may need some refinement. 1495 01:21:03,048 --> 01:21:05,550 I'd like to accommodate your view. 1496 01:21:47,592 --> 01:21:49,594 Stanley, I've written this opinion 1497 01:21:49,594 --> 01:21:53,097 in a way which I hope will unite the court. 1498 01:21:53,598 --> 01:21:56,601 There's a word that's been on my mind of late-- 1499 01:21:56,601 --> 01:21:59,103 krytocracy. 1500 01:21:59,604 --> 01:22:04,609 K-R-Y-T-O-C-R-A-C-Y. 1501 01:22:04,609 --> 01:22:08,112 I checked it last night in the oxford dictionary. 1502 01:22:08,112 --> 01:22:11,115 It says "Government by judges." 1503 01:22:11,616 --> 01:22:14,118 I do not want to see this court 1504 01:22:14,118 --> 01:22:16,620 travel outside its authority. 1505 01:22:16,621 --> 01:22:20,625 It isn't a question of what I would like to see, 1506 01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:24,128 but what the constitution will permit me to see. 1507 01:22:25,630 --> 01:22:27,131 And, Earl... 1508 01:22:27,131 --> 01:22:29,133 understand this-- 1509 01:22:29,133 --> 01:22:30,634 I do not believe 1510 01:22:30,635 --> 01:22:34,137 that negroes are an inferior race. 1511 01:22:35,138 --> 01:22:37,140 Sir, it's Mr. Justice Jackson. 1512 01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:38,641 Yes? 1513 01:22:38,642 --> 01:22:41,144 Sir, they just took him to Walter Reed. 1514 01:22:41,144 --> 01:22:42,645 A heart attack, sir. 1515 01:23:05,919 --> 01:23:09,422 Major McCarthy, please come to station 23. 1516 01:23:09,423 --> 01:23:11,925 Mr. Justice Jackson? 1517 01:23:11,925 --> 01:23:13,927 I'm Earl Warren. 1518 01:23:14,428 --> 01:23:15,562 Sir, he's resting. 1519 01:23:15,562 --> 01:23:17,564 Mr. Prittyman is handling his calls. 1520 01:23:17,564 --> 01:23:19,065 Oh, hello, Barrett. 1521 01:23:19,066 --> 01:23:20,567 Hello, Mr. Chief Justice. 1522 01:23:20,567 --> 01:23:22,068 They say he'll make it. 1523 01:23:22,069 --> 01:23:24,071 I talked to him this morning. 1524 01:23:24,071 --> 01:23:25,072 I think he'll be ok. 1525 01:23:25,072 --> 01:23:27,074 Good, good. 1526 01:23:27,074 --> 01:23:29,076 Barrett, uh... 1527 01:23:30,077 --> 01:23:33,580 as soon as you think he's up to it, 1528 01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:36,082 ask him to read this. 1529 01:23:36,083 --> 01:23:37,084 It's important. 1530 01:23:37,084 --> 01:23:39,086 I know, sir. 1531 01:24:05,861 --> 01:24:09,364 A little bout with one's mortality 1532 01:24:09,365 --> 01:24:12,868 has a way of focusing the mind. 1533 01:24:15,988 --> 01:24:18,490 Since the end of the civil war, 1534 01:24:18,991 --> 01:24:21,493 the United States 1535 01:24:21,494 --> 01:24:26,499 has been hesitating between 2 worlds-- 1536 01:24:26,499 --> 01:24:27,500 one dead, 1537 01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:31,504 the other powerless to be born. 1538 01:24:35,007 --> 01:24:37,509 What you have written 1539 01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:40,012 is quite remarkable. 1540 01:24:40,012 --> 01:24:44,516 In very... plain and understandable words, 1541 01:24:45,017 --> 01:24:47,518 it tells the nation what must be done 1542 01:24:47,519 --> 01:24:49,521 and why. 1543 01:24:51,656 --> 01:24:53,157 I'm with you, Earl. 1544 01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:18,933 You're all by yourself now, Stanley. 1545 01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:25,940 The fact remains-- 1546 01:25:25,940 --> 01:25:28,943 this court has been given no evidence 1547 01:25:28,943 --> 01:25:30,945 that the nation knew a century ago 1548 01:25:30,945 --> 01:25:32,947 that it was outlawing-- 1549 01:25:32,947 --> 01:25:35,950 Stanley, we have 8 votes to desegregate. 1550 01:25:40,455 --> 01:25:42,957 Each of us is concerned about history. 1551 01:25:44,959 --> 01:25:47,962 Each of us is reluctant to overrule precedents. 1552 01:25:50,465 --> 01:25:52,467 But we are convinced 1553 01:25:52,467 --> 01:25:54,969 that the law in this day and age 1554 01:25:54,969 --> 01:25:58,471 cannot set negro schoolchildren apart, 1555 01:25:58,472 --> 01:26:01,475 not in The United States of America. 1556 01:26:03,477 --> 01:26:06,480 This country has been making consistent progress 1557 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:07,981 in race relations. 1558 01:26:09,983 --> 01:26:14,487 This decision could impede that progress... 1559 01:26:14,988 --> 01:26:16,489 halt the march. 1560 01:26:18,492 --> 01:26:20,994 A piece of paper cannot eradicate 1561 01:26:20,994 --> 01:26:22,495 the fears and prides 1562 01:26:22,496 --> 01:26:24,998 and prejudices of the people. 1563 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,502 Earl... if this court 1564 01:26:29,503 --> 01:26:32,005 tries to force the southern states 1565 01:26:32,506 --> 01:26:34,007 to change overnight, 1566 01:26:34,508 --> 01:26:36,510 there will be resistance, 1567 01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:40,013 litigation, disobedience, 1568 01:26:40,514 --> 01:26:43,016 and years of conflict. 1569 01:26:45,018 --> 01:26:46,519 Believe me. 1570 01:26:48,021 --> 01:26:50,023 Stanley, I'm a politician. 1571 01:26:50,524 --> 01:26:52,025 I've worked for the people 1572 01:26:52,025 --> 01:26:54,027 for over 30 years now. 1573 01:26:54,027 --> 01:26:56,029 I've seen them in police stations, 1574 01:26:56,530 --> 01:26:59,032 hospitals, unemployment lines. 1575 01:27:00,534 --> 01:27:02,536 I'm convinced that the people 1576 01:27:02,536 --> 01:27:04,036 will accept a ruling 1577 01:27:04,537 --> 01:27:07,540 that fortifies their inner conscience. 1578 01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:10,543 Let the backbone come from the court, 1579 01:27:10,543 --> 01:27:13,045 and it'll strengthen the moral backbone 1580 01:27:13,045 --> 01:27:17,049 of the people who live in conflict. 1581 01:27:17,550 --> 01:27:19,051 Stanley, a fully united court 1582 01:27:19,051 --> 01:27:21,053 will send a signal to this nation. 1583 01:27:24,557 --> 01:27:27,560 I pray that you'll see your way clear 1584 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,061 to join the majority. 1585 01:28:13,972 --> 01:28:14,973 Hello. 1586 01:28:18,977 --> 01:28:21,479 I'll be on the midnight train. 1587 01:28:33,241 --> 01:28:36,744 Get ready for passengers on track 22. 1588 01:28:38,747 --> 01:28:43,251 Silver mid-year service from Miami Beach, Florida... 1589 01:28:51,509 --> 01:28:53,010 Find another cab, boy. 1590 01:28:53,011 --> 01:28:55,013 We're going to the supreme court. 1591 01:28:55,513 --> 01:28:56,514 Come on, Bob. Come on. 1592 01:28:56,514 --> 01:28:58,516 I think you'll want to be in court 1593 01:28:58,516 --> 01:29:00,017 this morning, boys. 1594 01:29:11,529 --> 01:29:13,531 9 copies, sir... 1595 01:29:13,531 --> 01:29:15,032 for the brethren. 1596 01:29:38,305 --> 01:29:39,306 Welcome back. 1597 01:29:44,311 --> 01:29:44,811 Welcome back. 1598 01:29:45,312 --> 01:29:47,314 It's good to have you back. 1599 01:29:48,816 --> 01:29:49,817 All rise. 1600 01:29:49,817 --> 01:29:51,318 The honorable the chief justice 1601 01:29:51,318 --> 01:29:52,819 and the associate justices 1602 01:29:52,820 --> 01:29:54,822 of the supreme court of the United States. 1603 01:29:54,822 --> 01:29:56,824 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 1604 01:29:56,824 --> 01:29:57,825 All persons having business 1605 01:29:57,825 --> 01:29:59,827 before the honorable the supreme court 1606 01:29:59,827 --> 01:30:00,828 of the United States 1607 01:30:00,828 --> 01:30:02,830 are invited to draw near and give their attention, 1608 01:30:02,830 --> 01:30:04,331 for the court is now sitting. 1609 01:30:04,715 --> 01:30:06,717 These cases come to us 1610 01:30:06,717 --> 01:30:08,719 from the states of Kansas, 1611 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:10,220 South Carolina, 1612 01:30:10,220 --> 01:30:11,221 Virginia, 1613 01:30:11,221 --> 01:30:12,722 and Delaware. 1614 01:30:12,723 --> 01:30:15,726 They are premised on different facts 1615 01:30:15,726 --> 01:30:18,228 and different local conditions, 1616 01:30:18,228 --> 01:30:20,730 but a common legal question 1617 01:30:20,731 --> 01:30:23,734 justifies their consideration together. 1618 01:30:26,236 --> 01:30:28,238 In approaching this question, 1619 01:30:28,605 --> 01:30:33,108 we cannot turn the clock back to 1868, 1620 01:30:33,109 --> 01:30:36,612 when the 14th amendment was adopted, 1621 01:30:36,612 --> 01:30:39,615 or even to 1896, 1622 01:30:39,615 --> 01:30:42,618 when Plessy vs. Ferguson was written. 1623 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,622 We must consider public education 1624 01:30:46,622 --> 01:30:49,625 in the light of its present place 1625 01:30:49,625 --> 01:30:52,628 in american life. 1626 01:30:52,628 --> 01:30:55,631 Only in this way can it be determined 1627 01:30:55,765 --> 01:30:58,768 if segregation in public schools 1628 01:30:59,268 --> 01:31:01,770 deprives these young plaintiffs 1629 01:31:02,271 --> 01:31:05,774 of the equal protection of the laws. 1630 01:31:05,775 --> 01:31:07,777 In these days, 1631 01:31:07,777 --> 01:31:10,279 it is doubtful that any child 1632 01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:14,283 may reasonably be expected to succeed in life 1633 01:31:14,784 --> 01:31:16,786 if he is denied the opportunity 1634 01:31:17,286 --> 01:31:18,787 of an education. 1635 01:31:18,788 --> 01:31:20,790 Such an opportunity, 1636 01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:23,793 where the state has undertaken to provide it, 1637 01:31:23,793 --> 01:31:26,796 is a right which must be made available 1638 01:31:26,796 --> 01:31:30,299 to all on equal terms. 1639 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,303 We come, then, to the question presented-- 1640 01:31:34,303 --> 01:31:38,306 does segregation of children in public schools 1641 01:31:38,306 --> 01:31:41,309 solely on the basis of race, 1642 01:31:41,309 --> 01:31:43,311 even though the physical facilities 1643 01:31:43,311 --> 01:31:44,812 may be equal, 1644 01:31:45,313 --> 01:31:48,816 deprive the children of the minority group 1645 01:31:48,817 --> 01:31:53,321 of equal education opportunities? 1646 01:31:53,321 --> 01:31:55,323 We believe... 1647 01:31:57,826 --> 01:31:59,327 Unanimously 1648 01:31:59,327 --> 01:32:00,328 that it does. 1649 01:32:02,330 --> 01:32:04,332 We conclude 1650 01:32:04,332 --> 01:32:07,335 that in the field of public education, 1651 01:32:07,335 --> 01:32:10,838 the doctrine of separate but equal 1652 01:32:11,339 --> 01:32:12,840 has no place. 1653 01:32:12,841 --> 01:32:16,211 Separate educational facilities 1654 01:32:16,211 --> 01:32:18,713 are inherently unequal. 1655 01:32:19,214 --> 01:32:21,716 Therefore, we hold that the plaintiffs 1656 01:32:21,716 --> 01:32:24,719 and others similarly situated 1657 01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:27,722 for whom the actions have been brought 1658 01:32:27,722 --> 01:32:31,726 are, by reason of the segregation complained of, 1659 01:32:31,726 --> 01:32:36,230 deprived of the equal protection of the laws 1660 01:32:36,231 --> 01:32:39,734 guaranteed by the 14th amendment. 1661 01:32:40,735 --> 01:32:42,236 It is so ordered. 1662 01:33:25,162 --> 01:33:26,663 Please, Mr. Marshall-- 1663 01:33:34,171 --> 01:33:36,173 Buster, it's me. 1664 01:33:39,176 --> 01:33:40,677 We did it. 1665 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:43,180 Unanimous. 1666 01:33:45,182 --> 01:33:46,183 Buster... 1667 01:33:47,685 --> 01:33:49,687 I love you. 1668 01:33:49,687 --> 01:33:52,690 A bulletin from Washington. 1669 01:33:52,690 --> 01:33:54,190 At 1:10 p.m., 1670 01:33:54,190 --> 01:33:56,192 the United States supreme court 1671 01:33:56,192 --> 01:33:57,693 chief justice Earl Warren 1672 01:33:57,694 --> 01:33:59,195 announced the unanimous decision 1673 01:33:59,195 --> 01:34:02,198 to outlaw segregation of negroes in public schools. 1674 01:34:02,198 --> 01:34:05,201 The court said separating negro children 1675 01:34:05,201 --> 01:34:08,704 violates rights guaranteed to american citizens 1676 01:34:08,705 --> 01:34:10,206 by the 14th amendment. 1677 01:34:42,238 --> 01:34:43,239 Father? 1678 01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:44,740 Morning, Julia. 1679 01:34:51,614 --> 01:34:54,116 The decision... 1680 01:34:54,117 --> 01:34:56,619 for the plaintiffs. 1681 01:34:56,619 --> 01:34:58,621 It was unanimous. 1682 01:35:01,623 --> 01:35:04,125 In the words of the general-- 1683 01:35:04,126 --> 01:35:05,627 "We have met the enemy, 1684 01:35:06,128 --> 01:35:07,129 and we are theirs." 1685 01:35:07,629 --> 01:35:10,131 I'm sorry, father. 1686 01:35:10,132 --> 01:35:12,134 Someday I'm going to learn to accept 1687 01:35:12,134 --> 01:35:14,636 good advice when it's offered. 1688 01:35:19,641 --> 01:35:22,143 There's troubled times ahead. 1689 01:35:23,645 --> 01:35:25,647 Looking at it philosophically, 1690 01:35:25,647 --> 01:35:26,648 unanimous decision 1691 01:35:26,648 --> 01:35:29,150 is the best thing for the country. 1692 01:35:31,153 --> 01:35:34,156 Great! Yeah! 1693 01:35:35,657 --> 01:35:37,158 Congratulations. 118748

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