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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:22,545 --> 00:02:27,573 - She's pretty, the lawyer, huh, Irma? - Yeah. She is. 2 00:02:27,785 --> 00:02:31,698 They say her brother's a jerk. I hope the sister's okay. 3 00:02:33,585 --> 00:02:36,782 - What do you think, Karchy? - Yeah, the sister's okay. 4 00:02:36,985 --> 00:02:38,623 You know her? 5 00:02:38,945 --> 00:02:40,617 I'm the brother. 6 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:47,696 - What? - That's enough. 7 00:02:48,705 --> 00:02:50,024 Come on. 8 00:02:53,825 --> 00:02:56,134 - How are you, Mr. Laszlo? - How are you, Mrs. Kiss? 9 00:02:56,345 --> 00:02:58,097 - Hello, Ann. - Mrs. Kiss. 10 00:03:08,305 --> 00:03:11,058 - Grandpa, are you tired? - I'm okay. 11 00:03:11,265 --> 00:03:14,496 You should learn this dance. Maria, teach him. 12 00:03:16,345 --> 00:03:17,903 - No. - Yeah. 13 00:03:18,225 --> 00:03:20,136 - Mikey, come on. - I don't know how, Mom. 14 00:03:20,345 --> 00:03:21,619 - Come on. - I don't know how. 15 00:03:37,865 --> 00:03:41,141 - So they found the coke on you? Then? - He began the Miranda. 16 00:03:41,345 --> 00:03:44,098 Then the other agent, the one with the pigtail... 17 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:47,456 ...he said, "Cuff him."The first one never finished the Miranda. 18 00:03:47,665 --> 00:03:49,098 Okay, that's it. 19 00:03:49,305 --> 00:03:51,341 - He'll never cop to it. - We'll make him. 20 00:03:51,545 --> 00:03:54,776 - He's got a history on Miranda. - Now, they've got two witnesses. 21 00:03:54,985 --> 00:03:58,534 One's a hype. But the other is solid gold. 22 00:03:58,745 --> 00:04:00,975 We'll dirty the hype and rub some off on the gold. 23 00:04:01,185 --> 00:04:04,257 - How you gonna do that? - We'll deal with it. See you. 24 00:04:06,745 --> 00:04:09,259 What about that B-and-E case we've got tomorrow morning? 25 00:04:09,465 --> 00:04:13,014 - They don't wanna deal. - They'll deal. Thanks. 26 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:16,742 You must be a very foxy woman. 27 00:04:16,945 --> 00:04:18,856 Just remember who you are, scumbag. 28 00:04:19,065 --> 00:04:20,578 - Hi, Annie. - Hey, Johnny. 29 00:04:20,785 --> 00:04:22,776 - Your secretary's trying to reach you. - Yeah? 30 00:04:22,985 --> 00:04:25,055 - Call your dad. - My dad? 31 00:04:39,146 --> 00:04:41,341 - Papa, what are you doing? - Here, read it. 32 00:04:41,546 --> 00:04:44,424 - Why do you got these old pants on? - They say I killed people. 33 00:04:44,626 --> 00:04:47,424 I asked you to throw those away. Come in, it's cold. 34 00:04:47,626 --> 00:04:50,424 - Garbage. - What is this? 35 00:04:50,946 --> 00:04:54,063 A man brought this, this morning. 36 00:04:58,186 --> 00:05:00,939 I don't know nothing about. 37 00:05:01,306 --> 00:05:02,978 I work in the mill... 38 00:05:03,186 --> 00:05:05,381 ...I raise my kids. 39 00:05:06,346 --> 00:05:11,818 It's my country. I've been here 37 years. I know. 40 00:05:12,386 --> 00:05:15,264 They're going to take my citizenship away, I'll show you. 41 00:05:15,466 --> 00:05:18,264 - Papa. Papa. - I'll show you. 42 00:05:22,106 --> 00:05:24,745 Well, this Michael J. Laszlo... 43 00:05:24,946 --> 00:05:27,221 ...must have lied when he went for his citizenship. 44 00:05:27,426 --> 00:05:29,815 He's accused of war crimes. 45 00:05:30,306 --> 00:05:34,060 - Come on. I'll make some tea. - No. I'll make the tea. 46 00:05:37,186 --> 00:05:39,381 How can they mix up? 47 00:05:41,746 --> 00:05:44,977 - I was a farmer. - It's not you. 48 00:05:45,426 --> 00:05:49,783 It's not you, they made a mistake. We will get this all cleared up. 49 00:06:09,586 --> 00:06:12,100 Mrs. Talbot, are you here as Mr. Laszlo's attorney? 50 00:06:12,306 --> 00:06:15,616 No, no, I just wanna get this thing cleared up. 51 00:06:16,146 --> 00:06:19,502 - Papa, take your coat off. - No. 52 00:06:20,386 --> 00:06:23,025 - Take your coat off. - No. 53 00:06:27,226 --> 00:06:30,616 This is Jack Burke, he's from the Office of Special Investigations. 54 00:06:30,826 --> 00:06:33,021 - How do you do, Mrs. Talbot? - Wanna go in? 55 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:34,375 - Mr. Laszlo. - Mike Laszlo. 56 00:06:34,586 --> 00:06:36,065 My father. 57 00:06:38,706 --> 00:06:42,619 Look, this is a mistake. 58 00:06:42,826 --> 00:06:44,782 You've got the wrong Michael J. Laszlo. 59 00:06:44,986 --> 00:06:46,465 Like hell we do. 60 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:50,136 - I beg your pardon. - We don't have the wrong man. 61 00:06:50,346 --> 00:06:54,021 I didn't do any of this. It is not me. 62 00:06:54,226 --> 00:06:57,104 I'm a citizen, I'm a-- I'm a good American. 63 00:06:57,306 --> 00:07:00,503 If you're a good American, this country's in big trouble. 64 00:07:01,026 --> 00:07:03,301 What the hell is this? 65 00:07:04,266 --> 00:07:06,985 You don't talk to him this way. 66 00:07:07,186 --> 00:07:09,825 I won't allow anyone to talk to him this way. 67 00:07:10,026 --> 00:07:12,859 I know why you do this to me. I know why. 68 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:16,820 The Communists are doing this to me. They are getting back at me. 69 00:07:18,946 --> 00:07:21,699 Because of what you did to the dancers five years ago? 70 00:07:21,906 --> 00:07:23,737 Went on TV, talked to the newspaper. 71 00:07:23,946 --> 00:07:26,699 Made the dancers stop. That's what I did. That's all. 72 00:07:26,906 --> 00:07:31,377 With all that activity, Mr. Laszlo, you gave yourself a nice alibi. 73 00:07:31,586 --> 00:07:34,180 Are you accusing him of being anti-Communist? 74 00:07:34,386 --> 00:07:37,822 In addition to the crimes he would have committed 40 years ago? 75 00:07:38,026 --> 00:07:39,664 Why wasn't he charged earlier? 76 00:07:39,866 --> 00:07:43,654 The witness reports were locked away in the United Nations until last year. 77 00:07:43,866 --> 00:07:46,300 - That's why he wasn't charged sooner. - I don't-- 78 00:07:46,506 --> 00:07:49,896 - Papa. - Wait, Annie. I don't hurt nobody. 79 00:07:50,266 --> 00:07:53,178 I work in the steel mill. 80 00:07:53,386 --> 00:07:57,345 I raise my kids. My boy, my girl. 81 00:07:58,866 --> 00:08:02,825 My boy was an American soldier. He fought in Vietnam. 82 00:08:03,026 --> 00:08:05,859 My girl, I'm proud. 83 00:08:06,066 --> 00:08:07,943 She is American lawyer. 84 00:08:08,146 --> 00:08:12,822 And you, you laugh at me. You son of a bitch. 85 00:08:19,346 --> 00:08:21,860 Mrs. Talbot, you should know the Hungarian government... 86 00:08:22,066 --> 00:08:25,217 - ...has already filed for extradition. - What? 87 00:08:25,426 --> 00:08:27,257 What does it mean? What does it mean? 88 00:08:27,466 --> 00:08:29,457 It means if your citizenship is taken away... 89 00:08:29,666 --> 00:08:32,624 - ...you'll be sent to Hungary for trial. - They'll send me to die. 90 00:08:32,826 --> 00:08:35,898 Nobody is going to take away your citizenship, Papa. 91 00:08:36,106 --> 00:08:39,462 - Papa, nobody. - Yeah. 92 00:08:45,027 --> 00:08:46,858 I don't know, Papa. 93 00:08:47,187 --> 00:08:49,860 We'll get you a lawyer, we'll get you the very best lawyer. 94 00:08:50,067 --> 00:08:52,376 - You're gonna be my lawyer. - No, Papa. 95 00:08:52,587 --> 00:08:55,021 I don't know anything about naturalization. 96 00:08:55,227 --> 00:08:58,105 We'll get you the best immigration lawyer. 97 00:08:58,307 --> 00:09:00,946 - Papa, I'm a criminal lawyer. - They say I'm a criminal. 98 00:09:01,147 --> 00:09:04,139 They say I'm a humanity criminal. 99 00:09:04,347 --> 00:09:06,144 The car is here. 100 00:09:07,467 --> 00:09:12,222 The first time you kissed a boy, he touched you... 101 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:16,818 ...we came here. I didn't know what to say. 102 00:09:17,427 --> 00:09:20,976 We came here. Words came easier here. 103 00:09:21,187 --> 00:09:23,223 Your mama helped me. 104 00:09:23,507 --> 00:09:25,418 What did I know about...? 105 00:09:25,627 --> 00:09:27,902 About raising a girl? 106 00:09:29,507 --> 00:09:31,065 Here. 107 00:09:31,267 --> 00:09:33,303 You remember, Annie? 108 00:09:36,787 --> 00:09:40,575 We were in the refugee camp. 109 00:09:42,027 --> 00:09:46,066 After the war, in Austria... 110 00:09:46,627 --> 00:09:48,697 ...I met your mama there. 111 00:09:48,907 --> 00:09:52,741 Now you have the same age... 112 00:09:52,947 --> 00:09:57,065 ...like your mama when she died, Annie. 113 00:10:03,627 --> 00:10:06,061 They came around the camps. 114 00:10:07,067 --> 00:10:10,423 Hungarian Communist officials from Budapest... 115 00:10:10,867 --> 00:10:14,064 ...looking for anti-Communists. 116 00:10:14,347 --> 00:10:18,818 They say you are a war criminal and send you back to Hungary... 117 00:10:19,307 --> 00:10:21,343 ...hang you from a tree. 118 00:10:21,547 --> 00:10:25,779 "Repatriation,"that's what they call it. 119 00:10:28,147 --> 00:10:32,902 Everybody knew that if you said you were a farmer... 120 00:10:33,107 --> 00:10:38,420 ...you got to America quicker. America had a quota for farmers. 121 00:10:38,627 --> 00:10:41,778 I said I was a farmer. 122 00:10:42,307 --> 00:10:44,377 I got here quick. 123 00:10:46,147 --> 00:10:48,422 Weren't you a farmer, Papa? 124 00:10:48,627 --> 00:10:52,745 Yeah. I was a farmer when I was-- When I was a boy. 125 00:10:53,387 --> 00:10:55,059 Well, what were you then? 126 00:10:56,987 --> 00:11:01,344 I was a gendarme. A policeman. A gendarme. 127 00:11:02,707 --> 00:11:07,622 No, no, don't look at me like that, Annie. I didn't do anything bad. 128 00:11:07,827 --> 00:11:11,058 Crazy Hungarian Nazis, they took over. 129 00:11:11,267 --> 00:11:13,303 I told them: 130 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:17,420 "I want to be a clerk in the office." 131 00:11:20,427 --> 00:11:23,817 So that's what I did. 132 00:11:24,027 --> 00:11:28,179 I was a clerk in the office. 133 00:11:29,627 --> 00:11:32,744 Come here. Come here. 134 00:11:35,227 --> 00:11:37,263 Give me your hand. 135 00:11:39,027 --> 00:11:42,702 And so the legal paper, what it said I did... 136 00:11:42,907 --> 00:11:46,343 ...you think I did that? 137 00:11:46,627 --> 00:11:48,458 Oh, no. 138 00:11:50,187 --> 00:11:53,065 Oh, no, Papa. 139 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,783 Yeah, it was so cold. 140 00:11:56,187 --> 00:11:57,700 - Hi. - Hi, Grandpa. 141 00:11:57,907 --> 00:11:59,135 I didn't know you were here. 142 00:11:59,347 --> 00:12:00,905 - Stopped by to see Mikey. - Hi, Mom. 143 00:12:01,107 --> 00:12:02,779 - Hi, baby. - Mischka. 144 00:12:02,987 --> 00:12:06,184 - Saw you on TV. - Yeah, we saw you on TV. 145 00:12:06,387 --> 00:12:07,866 It's all fake. We'll talk later. 146 00:12:08,067 --> 00:12:10,979 You wanna make some popcorn, Mikey? Lot of salt? 147 00:12:11,187 --> 00:12:13,621 No salt, Papa. 148 00:12:13,827 --> 00:12:16,785 - Lot of salt, Annie. Paprika. - Come on, Grandpa. 149 00:12:16,987 --> 00:12:18,625 What that? 150 00:12:19,987 --> 00:12:21,500 I asked my dad to help-- 151 00:12:21,707 --> 00:12:25,063 For him to help me get rid of the rust. But he didn't know how. 152 00:12:25,267 --> 00:12:28,020 Give me a Coca-Cola and a sponge. 153 00:12:29,187 --> 00:12:31,382 He wants me to represent him. 154 00:12:31,587 --> 00:12:33,703 Were Harry, I wouldn't represent him. 155 00:12:33,907 --> 00:12:35,977 - Bye, Mikey. Bye, Mischka. - Bye, Dad. 156 00:12:36,187 --> 00:12:37,859 - Bye, Dean. - What if he did it? 157 00:12:38,067 --> 00:12:39,580 Oh, Christ, Dean. 158 00:12:39,787 --> 00:12:43,666 You'd still love him. He's still your dad. Blood's thicker than spilled blood. 159 00:12:43,867 --> 00:12:47,496 That sounds just like something Harry would say, not you. 160 00:12:47,708 --> 00:12:49,983 I'm just saying, don't represent him. 161 00:12:50,188 --> 00:12:52,304 It's not just another case to win. 162 00:12:58,428 --> 00:13:00,703 I always say my prayers and do my pushups. 163 00:13:00,908 --> 00:13:02,626 Maybe it does good, maybe not. 164 00:13:02,828 --> 00:13:07,379 You gotta pass, run, try everything to make a touchdown, Mikey. 165 00:13:07,588 --> 00:13:11,263 Do you always do your pushups, Mikey? 166 00:13:11,468 --> 00:13:16,542 - Yeah, makes a healthy body. - A healthy body makes a healthy spirit. 167 00:13:17,028 --> 00:13:19,861 God, you're strong, Grandpa. 168 00:13:21,388 --> 00:13:24,903 Getting weaker every day. 169 00:13:25,108 --> 00:13:26,780 No, you're not. 170 00:13:28,388 --> 00:13:30,344 You wanna talk about the TV? 171 00:13:30,948 --> 00:13:34,224 - Okay. - It's not me they're talking about. 172 00:13:34,428 --> 00:13:36,737 They made a mistake. 173 00:13:37,108 --> 00:13:39,497 I didn't kill anybody or hurt anybody. 174 00:13:40,348 --> 00:13:43,465 - That's not your grandpa. - I know, Grandpa. 175 00:13:44,588 --> 00:13:46,738 Your mama, she's a good lawyer. 176 00:13:47,188 --> 00:13:51,978 - She'll defend you? - Yeah, we're a family. 177 00:13:52,188 --> 00:13:56,864 - You got trouble, I help. I got trouble.... - I help. 178 00:13:57,068 --> 00:13:58,865 You help. 179 00:14:00,028 --> 00:14:03,703 If somebody says something about your grandpa... 180 00:14:03,948 --> 00:14:07,384 ...one of your friends, you say: 181 00:14:07,588 --> 00:14:10,307 "Fuck you! Jump in the lake." 182 00:14:10,508 --> 00:14:12,339 I can say that? 183 00:14:30,868 --> 00:14:33,905 - Good night, Mikey. - Good night, Grandpa. 184 00:14:36,468 --> 00:14:38,299 Papa? 185 00:14:42,668 --> 00:14:46,138 - Papa, I'll represent you. - Good. 186 00:14:47,508 --> 00:14:50,147 "Good"? That's all? 187 00:14:51,748 --> 00:14:54,626 - Very good. - Oh, "very good." 188 00:14:56,468 --> 00:15:00,586 I need to know everything about you, everything that they might know. 189 00:15:01,228 --> 00:15:03,981 I think you should stay here with me and Mikey for a while. 190 00:15:04,188 --> 00:15:07,624 No. I'll go to my own house. 191 00:15:07,868 --> 00:15:10,905 But we can work better out of here, Papa. 192 00:15:13,068 --> 00:15:15,138 It's not gonna be easy. 193 00:15:19,908 --> 00:15:21,500 Papa? 194 00:15:22,308 --> 00:15:24,299 It'll be okay. 195 00:15:24,748 --> 00:15:26,864 It'll be okay, Papa. 196 00:15:27,068 --> 00:15:32,062 No, Annie, it's never going to be okay again. 197 00:15:36,628 --> 00:15:39,700 Hey, hey. Hey, nice boots. You're looking good. 198 00:15:39,908 --> 00:15:42,058 Good-looking butt too. 199 00:15:42,668 --> 00:15:44,101 - Hi. How you doing? - Hey, Karchy. 200 00:15:44,308 --> 00:15:46,822 - Why don't you come inside. - No, no, I forgot my tie. 201 00:15:47,028 --> 00:15:49,986 Listen, I got a list of guys from the mill who are gonna testify. 202 00:15:50,188 --> 00:15:53,624 - Okay? I can get more if you want to. - No, this will be enough, this is-- 203 00:15:53,948 --> 00:15:56,746 You're gonna get him out of this, ain't you? 204 00:15:57,428 --> 00:15:59,384 - Ain't you? - Yes. 205 00:15:59,588 --> 00:16:03,297 I mean, you better. Because if this was a bar fight and he needed me... 206 00:16:03,508 --> 00:16:08,866 ...I'd slice some nuts. Pop, he busted his guts 30 years in that fucking mill. 207 00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:12,902 - He did it all for us here, you know? - I know that, Karchy. 208 00:16:13,108 --> 00:16:16,259 - Well, what's going on? - Well, I have to put the case together. 209 00:16:16,468 --> 00:16:18,663 He ain't no fucking case, he's Pop. 210 00:16:18,868 --> 00:16:20,938 Now, you're gonna have to slice some nuts here. 211 00:16:21,148 --> 00:16:23,537 Karchy, why do you always have to talk so crude? 212 00:16:23,748 --> 00:16:27,627 What? You know another way of slicing nuts without being crude? 213 00:16:27,828 --> 00:16:29,784 I'm gonna have to get crude here. 214 00:16:34,108 --> 00:16:35,302 Go to work. 215 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:39,621 I just don't want you losing clients because I'm working out of this office. 216 00:16:39,828 --> 00:16:42,262 I'll work out of my ex-father-in-law's office. 217 00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:45,380 - She returns to Harry Talbot. - Just for the trial. 218 00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:47,306 Here, these are Monday's hearings. 219 00:16:47,508 --> 00:16:51,387 - These trials last for years, Ann. - Oh, not this one, Mackie. 220 00:16:53,028 --> 00:16:55,940 Harry was in the OSS during the war, you know. 221 00:16:56,148 --> 00:16:58,423 And the OSS becomes the ClA. 222 00:16:58,629 --> 00:17:01,666 And the ClA sets up its first little spy apparatus in Europe... 223 00:17:01,869 --> 00:17:04,941 ...by putting a bunch of Gestapo guys on the payroll. 224 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:09,108 Word is Harry used to sip his bourbon with Klaus Barbie. 225 00:17:09,309 --> 00:17:12,904 Well, now, the word I heard was that he sipped bourbon with senators. 226 00:17:13,109 --> 00:17:15,987 He even sipped bourbon in the White House a couple times. 227 00:17:16,189 --> 00:17:19,101 I never heard anything about Klaus Barbie. 228 00:17:19,309 --> 00:17:21,823 Those are all next week. 229 00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:25,108 Why don't you get somebody else to represent your father? 230 00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:28,107 Get that guy from Cleveland. He handled that Dimuna-- 231 00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:32,222 That Demjena-- That Dimjolt guy, whatever his name was. 232 00:17:32,429 --> 00:17:34,101 Take it easy. 233 00:17:34,309 --> 00:17:35,662 He wants me to represent him. 234 00:17:35,869 --> 00:17:37,666 What do you know about 40 years ago... 235 00:17:37,869 --> 00:17:39,860 ...in a part of the world you've never been? 236 00:17:40,069 --> 00:17:42,105 What do we know about our parents? 237 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:45,466 Oh, I know him, Mackie. He raised me. 238 00:17:46,269 --> 00:17:48,578 Have you ever thought about his fantasies? 239 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:52,384 - How he makes love? - Oh, Lord. 240 00:17:52,589 --> 00:17:54,898 I don't understand why you can't work out of here. 241 00:17:55,109 --> 00:17:58,340 Maybe she's afraid you're gonna be going through her drawers. 242 00:17:59,149 --> 00:18:02,107 - God knows I tried. - Very funny, Sandy. 243 00:18:02,309 --> 00:18:04,948 This isn't funny, Annie. This is Uncle Sam's big truck... 244 00:18:05,149 --> 00:18:06,707 ...coming down full-bore. 245 00:18:13,429 --> 00:18:17,308 - Hi, Harry. - So we finally got you back, did we? 246 00:18:18,429 --> 00:18:22,024 After all these years of your ethnic airs about working up here. 247 00:18:23,109 --> 00:18:26,624 Mrs. Cooper will take care of everything for you. Bourbon for me. 248 00:18:26,829 --> 00:18:30,902 Dean likes yuppie drinks. Sometimes the apple falls far from the tree. 249 00:18:32,389 --> 00:18:34,061 We got our judge. 250 00:18:34,589 --> 00:18:38,184 - Erwin Silver. - Silver, you kidding? 251 00:18:40,389 --> 00:18:42,698 I wish a jury could hear this. 252 00:18:42,909 --> 00:18:45,901 A daughter defending her father would strike them as heartrending. 253 00:18:46,109 --> 00:18:49,101 It's not gonna strike Erwin Silver as heartrending, I'll tell you. 254 00:18:49,309 --> 00:18:53,541 - All I know about him is that he's fair. - Sure he is. 255 00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:57,144 I don't care that he's Jewish, I care that he's fair. 256 00:18:57,349 --> 00:18:59,544 I care that he's fair. 257 00:19:00,029 --> 00:19:03,704 In this case, I also care that he's Jewish. 258 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:07,060 Probably lean over backwards though. He'll have to. 259 00:19:10,309 --> 00:19:14,348 You think you could claim bias? Have his verdict put aside? 260 00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:19,222 Harry, I hadn't even thought of that. 261 00:19:20,309 --> 00:19:23,381 You don't have a prayer, you know that? 262 00:19:23,589 --> 00:19:25,580 The Holocaust is the world's sacred cow. 263 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:28,622 Holocaust survivors are secular saints. 264 00:19:28,829 --> 00:19:31,787 You'd be better off pissing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier... 265 00:19:31,989 --> 00:19:33,786 ...than trying to cross-examine him. 266 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:37,382 - How's my grandson? - Fine. 267 00:19:37,589 --> 00:19:40,183 That's all you ever say about him. "He's fine." 268 00:19:41,469 --> 00:19:43,266 He's fine. 269 00:19:47,389 --> 00:19:51,223 When you've settled in, you can use my secretaries, they're at your disposal. 270 00:19:51,429 --> 00:19:54,626 By the way, Mischka didn't do it, did he? 271 00:20:08,949 --> 00:20:10,746 This is it. 272 00:20:11,709 --> 00:20:15,224 - So I'll see you later then? - Yeah. 273 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:41,740 Bring me a Scotch and a bottle of whatever Mrs. Talbot's drinking. 274 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:47,500 I had a professor in law school who'd say: 275 00:21:47,710 --> 00:21:52,101 "Don't ever let a case beat you down. Always trust what you feel inside." 276 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:54,740 But he wasn't a litigator. 277 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:59,866 He was dropping pearls of wisdom on young, idealistic students. 278 00:22:01,630 --> 00:22:05,020 You're trusting your heart. And you're going to get it broken. 279 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:07,460 What are you trusting, your ambitions? 280 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:12,222 It must be devastating to have to read those things about someone you love. 281 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:14,542 I'm sorry. 282 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:17,742 I don't want your condescension. 283 00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:21,346 Come on, have a drink. 284 00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:25,783 You've got the wrong man. 285 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:27,748 I wish we did. 286 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:31,903 You know, it's a perfect camouflage. Raise a couple of all-American kids... 287 00:22:32,110 --> 00:22:34,340 ...and you avoid even a shadow of suspicion. 288 00:22:34,550 --> 00:22:36,506 - You know, you're his perfect alibi. - Yeah? 289 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:39,702 I'm sorry. Oh, violence runs in the family. 290 00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:41,980 Fuck you. 291 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:52,298 Now, when I say go, we both point to the right. 292 00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:54,182 Go. 293 00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:01,707 -Hey, porcupine. Come here. - Hi. 294 00:23:01,910 --> 00:23:04,140 -Dinner's ready. - Point to the right, will you? 295 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:06,227 I'm not gonna eat. 296 00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:08,706 How can you watch this? 297 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:12,188 What's the matter? 298 00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:20,266 How would you feel, Papa, if we had a Jewish judge? 299 00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:24,506 You think it's a good idea? 300 00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:26,507 A funny idea, that's for sure. 301 00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:31,706 - He's a good judge. - Okay. If you think so, it's okay. 302 00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:41,549 Papa, why didn't we ever have any Jewish friends? 303 00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:45,259 How are we gonna meet? 304 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:49,145 Our friends, we see at church, on the west side. 305 00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:52,823 Jews live on the other side. 306 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:55,068 At mill, I have Jewish friends. 307 00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:57,500 Why didn't you ever invite them to the house? 308 00:23:57,950 --> 00:24:00,020 They no invite me to come over. 309 00:24:00,550 --> 00:24:05,305 At the university, you dated a Jewish boy. 310 00:24:06,150 --> 00:24:09,984 I told you not to date a Jewish boy. 311 00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:12,301 Papa, tell me about the Special Section. 312 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:17,788 Those... 313 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:20,868 ...killers. Close to the SS. 314 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:24,903 Commando. 315 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:30,301 I don't know. 316 00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:33,228 I've got nothing to do with them. 317 00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,022 Papa... 318 00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:39,586 ...they have a Photostat of a Special Section ID card... 319 00:24:39,790 --> 00:24:42,463 ...with your signature, with your picture on it. 320 00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:45,021 It's not possible. 321 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:47,387 Where did they get it? 322 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,979 The Hungarian government turned it over to them. 323 00:24:55,470 --> 00:24:58,268 I tell you, they.... 324 00:24:59,150 --> 00:25:02,222 They put my gendarme picture on it. 325 00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:05,343 My-- My writing. 326 00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:08,065 To fake. To fake the card. 327 00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:11,386 They got witnesses. 328 00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:14,946 Witnesses who identify you. 329 00:25:17,111 --> 00:25:20,660 They're accusing you of horrible things, Papa. 330 00:25:20,871 --> 00:25:24,466 Annie, the Communists said to them: 331 00:25:24,671 --> 00:25:28,220 "Better for you if you identify him." 332 00:25:28,431 --> 00:25:30,661 lsn't there some record somewhere, Papa? 333 00:25:30,871 --> 00:25:33,749 Some record of your assignment as a clerk? 334 00:25:33,951 --> 00:25:36,419 They're going to tell you they don't have it. 335 00:25:36,751 --> 00:25:38,981 It was lost in the bombings. 336 00:25:40,631 --> 00:25:43,509 The Americans drop bombs in the war. 337 00:25:44,471 --> 00:25:46,382 That's funny. 338 00:25:48,991 --> 00:25:50,822 Annie... 339 00:25:51,191 --> 00:25:55,230 ...are you upset at me? Or at the case? 340 00:25:56,391 --> 00:25:58,859 It makes me sick, Papa. 341 00:26:00,071 --> 00:26:02,221 They took those people... 342 00:26:02,831 --> 00:26:06,710 ...women and children, and they lined them up on the riverbank. 343 00:26:07,191 --> 00:26:09,830 That's why I came to America. 344 00:26:11,151 --> 00:26:13,711 It made me ashamed of being Hungarian. 345 00:26:13,911 --> 00:26:16,027 You are American. 346 00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:26,460 We are American. 347 00:26:28,831 --> 00:26:30,742 You're lucky... 348 00:26:32,031 --> 00:26:34,591 ...to be young in America. 349 00:26:35,231 --> 00:26:37,301 Not in Europe... 350 00:26:38,071 --> 00:26:40,949 ...during the war. 351 00:26:47,351 --> 00:26:48,943 Let's start from the beginning. 352 00:26:49,151 --> 00:26:50,948 - Let's start from the beginning. - Okay. 353 00:26:54,711 --> 00:26:57,145 - "Had."Had a dog. Had a dog. - What? 354 00:26:57,351 --> 00:27:00,707 - "Had,"not "has." - Maybe we should forget this, go home. 355 00:27:00,951 --> 00:27:07,026 Six million dead! Six million dead! Six million dead! 356 00:27:07,671 --> 00:27:11,266 - I'm not scared, Grandpa. - Me either. 357 00:27:18,551 --> 00:27:21,463 Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 358 00:27:21,671 --> 00:27:24,902 You see them? They've already decided I'm guilty. 359 00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:29,229 See, Mike, it's white folks like you that ruin a nice integrated neighbourhood. 360 00:27:29,431 --> 00:27:33,663 Okay, gypsy, you piss on the poor man. Everybody piss on the poor man. 361 00:27:33,871 --> 00:27:35,862 Gypsy piss too. 362 00:27:39,671 --> 00:27:42,947 I've gotta sneak into my own house like a robber. 363 00:27:47,511 --> 00:27:49,979 Mikey, no, no, no. 364 00:27:51,311 --> 00:27:53,666 I'm not afraid, Grandpa. 365 00:27:54,311 --> 00:27:59,021 Go home! Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 366 00:28:00,191 --> 00:28:01,829 Okay. 367 00:28:03,031 --> 00:28:05,067 I'll get the stuff you want. 368 00:28:05,271 --> 00:28:07,865 - Is this your wedding picture? - Yeah, it is. 369 00:28:09,231 --> 00:28:11,904 Ann looks just like her mother. 370 00:28:16,471 --> 00:28:19,349 It must have been hard, a widower with two kids. 371 00:28:19,551 --> 00:28:23,908 In the beginning, yeah. But then Annie took care of everything. 372 00:28:24,471 --> 00:28:27,543 I like you better with a moustache, I think. 373 00:28:28,151 --> 00:28:29,584 You need the bank papers too? 374 00:28:30,151 --> 00:28:31,584 Yes, everything. 375 00:28:35,271 --> 00:28:37,227 Come away from there. 376 00:28:37,711 --> 00:28:39,349 - Are you okay? - Yeah, I'm fine. 377 00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:44,826 Get out of here. Leave us alone! 378 00:28:45,031 --> 00:28:48,706 -Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Leave us alone! 379 00:28:48,911 --> 00:28:52,426 -Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Go, go, go. Come on. Come on. 380 00:28:56,911 --> 00:28:59,220 You must be elated this morning. 381 00:29:00,151 --> 00:29:03,188 Old man in a Bears cap, his arm around his grandson... 382 00:29:03,391 --> 00:29:06,349 ...being threatened by a screaming mob. A jury will love it. 383 00:29:06,551 --> 00:29:09,270 I think he should be shot for taking Mikey over there. 384 00:29:09,471 --> 00:29:11,587 What jury? I won't have a jury. 385 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:14,146 Sure you will. The world will be your jury. 386 00:29:14,351 --> 00:29:17,707 Even paragons of virtue like Judge Silver are human beings. 387 00:29:17,911 --> 00:29:20,471 - Good morning, Mr. Talbot. - Morning, Jimmy. 388 00:29:20,871 --> 00:29:23,624 I did some checking on your prosecutor. 389 00:29:24,671 --> 00:29:26,423 I didn't ask you to do that. 390 00:29:26,872 --> 00:29:29,386 He was a federal prosecutor in Philadelphia, good one. 391 00:29:29,592 --> 00:29:30,866 Never lost a case. 392 00:29:31,072 --> 00:29:33,632 Nine months ago, he shows up at Justice in Washington... 393 00:29:33,832 --> 00:29:36,505 ...volunteers for Special Investigations. 394 00:29:36,712 --> 00:29:40,466 I'll make phone calls to Philadelphia, find out what happened there. 395 00:29:41,352 --> 00:29:44,344 I can handle my own case, Harry, I don't need any help. 396 00:29:44,552 --> 00:29:48,545 From what I hear with this case, you're gonna need all the help you can get. 397 00:29:48,952 --> 00:29:51,068 What's that supposed to mean? 398 00:29:51,272 --> 00:29:54,469 - Hear from who? - Hear from "whom." 399 00:29:54,672 --> 00:29:56,947 I thought you'd mastered the English language. 400 00:29:57,152 --> 00:29:59,143 - Hear from whom? - Better. 401 00:29:59,512 --> 00:30:02,026 - Hey, Georgine! - Don't you have a boy to get home to? 402 00:30:02,232 --> 00:30:05,349 Georgine, I found it. Same thing happened before. 403 00:30:05,552 --> 00:30:10,182 A man by the name of Walus, charged with war crimes in Lithuania. 404 00:30:10,392 --> 00:30:13,065 They prepare this elaborate case, they bring him to trial... 405 00:30:13,272 --> 00:30:16,821 ...they brought over all these witnesses. He was the wrong man. 406 00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:19,421 The wrong man. The witnesses were mistaken. 407 00:30:19,632 --> 00:30:24,183 They simply had the wrong man. The judge found him innocent. 408 00:30:27,272 --> 00:30:29,467 Yeah, so tell me about my dad. 409 00:30:29,672 --> 00:30:33,585 Well, he goes to church, to the cemetery. 410 00:30:33,792 --> 00:30:37,467 He buys strudel at the bakery, he plays checkers in the park. 411 00:30:37,672 --> 00:30:40,664 He even makes a few bets on the Cubs and the Bears games. 412 00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:44,785 Oh, I'm gonna have to tell Karchy. He's always after Karchy for betting. 413 00:30:44,992 --> 00:30:47,825 - Do you know an Irma Kiss? - Who? 414 00:30:48,032 --> 00:30:50,705 Mrs. Irma Kiss, a widow. 415 00:30:50,912 --> 00:30:56,066 Oh, Kiss. Yes, Irma Kiss. She makes doughnuts at the church. 416 00:30:56,272 --> 00:30:59,264 - That ain't all she makes. - What? 417 00:30:59,592 --> 00:31:04,143 Off and on for 1 0 years now. Three, four times a month. 418 00:31:07,912 --> 00:31:10,301 I don't believe it. 419 00:31:13,792 --> 00:31:15,464 No. 420 00:31:19,272 --> 00:31:21,911 Now, he doesn't spend a lot of money... 421 00:31:22,112 --> 00:31:26,947 ...but he did spend much more for a while a couple of years ago... 422 00:31:27,392 --> 00:31:30,623 ...but then I guess he learned to stick to $1 0 bets. 423 00:31:30,832 --> 00:31:35,508 - Who's Tibor Zoldan? - I don't know. 424 00:31:35,712 --> 00:31:39,102 Mike wrote him a $2000 check three years ago. 425 00:31:39,312 --> 00:31:42,349 It's the biggest check he's ever written. 426 00:31:43,152 --> 00:31:46,667 This group he belongs to, the Attila Circle... 427 00:31:46,872 --> 00:31:50,262 ...it's just a bunch of little old guys who drag out the picket signs... 428 00:31:50,472 --> 00:31:52,940 ...whenever some dimwit Communist diplomat... 429 00:31:53,152 --> 00:31:55,825 ...makes the mistake of coming over here. 430 00:31:56,672 --> 00:32:00,984 Honestly, Ann, I don't think there's no devil here to advocate. 431 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:06,145 What? 432 00:32:07,632 --> 00:32:09,384 Irma Kiss. 433 00:32:10,112 --> 00:32:13,343 Papa, who's Tibor Zoldan? 434 00:32:13,552 --> 00:32:15,383 A friend from the refugee camp. 435 00:32:15,592 --> 00:32:18,823 He went back to the old country, then he came here. 436 00:32:19,152 --> 00:32:22,064 I gave him some money to get started... 437 00:32:22,272 --> 00:32:24,627 ...and he got himself killed in a car accident... 438 00:32:24,832 --> 00:32:27,505 ...and then I didn't get my money back. 439 00:32:30,232 --> 00:32:31,870 Are you ready? 440 00:32:32,072 --> 00:32:35,462 I've spent my whole life trying to forget what I saw. 441 00:32:35,672 --> 00:32:39,551 - Now I have to remember. - We have to do this, Papa. 442 00:32:41,672 --> 00:32:44,664 All right, let's begin with Mrs. Kiss. 443 00:32:51,392 --> 00:32:53,667 Irma Kiss? 444 00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:56,269 Jesus Christ. 445 00:32:56,472 --> 00:32:59,942 Damn lawyers. They find out everything. 446 00:33:03,712 --> 00:33:06,431 Papa, why didn't you ever marry her? 447 00:33:08,832 --> 00:33:11,744 I couldn't marry anyone after your mama. 448 00:33:12,312 --> 00:33:15,031 You didn't need another mama. 449 00:33:15,752 --> 00:33:17,629 How about you? 450 00:33:18,352 --> 00:33:21,105 You meet anybody since you got divorced? 451 00:33:24,392 --> 00:33:27,031 Well, yeah. I mean, I've met a few men. 452 00:33:28,632 --> 00:33:31,226 What about Dean? 453 00:33:31,712 --> 00:33:33,304 Yeah. What about Dean? 454 00:33:35,753 --> 00:33:37,709 He's a nice man. 455 00:33:38,073 --> 00:33:42,271 - And he still loves you, Annie. - Okay. 456 00:33:42,993 --> 00:33:45,063 Tell me how you joined the gendarmes. 457 00:33:50,753 --> 00:33:52,630 Papa was a peasant. 458 00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:55,622 We were very poor. 459 00:33:56,233 --> 00:33:58,827 I didn't go to school. No money. 460 00:34:00,633 --> 00:34:02,669 I liked the gendarme. 461 00:34:03,393 --> 00:34:06,908 They paid good, had a nice uniform... 462 00:34:07,313 --> 00:34:09,031 ...with a feather on the hat. 463 00:34:09,233 --> 00:34:11,428 And the music. 464 00:34:24,033 --> 00:34:25,751 - Hello. - Well, hello. 465 00:34:26,113 --> 00:34:30,072 So you wanna take a swing at me this time? Is that why you invited me here? 466 00:34:30,273 --> 00:34:33,231 Look, I've always had a working relationship with the other side. 467 00:34:33,433 --> 00:34:34,991 We just got off on the wrong foot. 468 00:34:35,193 --> 00:34:38,344 The night before court, you wanna work on the working relationship. 469 00:34:38,553 --> 00:34:39,827 Terrific. 470 00:34:40,033 --> 00:34:42,024 What do you really want? 471 00:34:49,353 --> 00:34:51,662 My father was manager of a restaurant. 472 00:34:51,873 --> 00:34:54,831 - Yeah? - But he didn't have music like this. 473 00:34:55,033 --> 00:34:58,150 And the room wasn't near as pretty as this. 474 00:34:59,273 --> 00:35:01,389 Yeah. I.... 475 00:35:01,953 --> 00:35:04,308 I wasn't too keen on the smell of grilled onions... 476 00:35:04,513 --> 00:35:06,868 ...so after I got my degree, I became a-- 477 00:35:07,073 --> 00:35:10,463 I worked for the county as an assistant to the DA. 478 00:35:10,753 --> 00:35:13,984 And after a while... 479 00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:15,985 ...Uncle Sam came after me. 480 00:35:16,193 --> 00:35:18,946 Here I am, and here we are. 481 00:35:19,473 --> 00:35:21,270 Cheers. 482 00:35:24,113 --> 00:35:28,664 So how does a Laszlo become a Talbot? 483 00:35:31,033 --> 00:35:34,628 It's easy to fall in love when you've got something in common. 484 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:36,710 Oh, yeah? Like what? 485 00:35:38,193 --> 00:35:40,149 Like he didn't wanna be a Talbot anymore... 486 00:35:40,353 --> 00:35:42,992 ...and I didn't want to stay a Laszlo. 487 00:35:43,713 --> 00:35:45,704 Sounds like heaven. 488 00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:50,983 So, what happened? With all these lofty ambitions? 489 00:35:52,393 --> 00:35:56,352 It was a big move from Damon Avenue to Lake Forest. 490 00:35:56,553 --> 00:35:59,784 I guess I never quite got there. 491 00:36:01,113 --> 00:36:04,105 What is this stuff? It's unusual, huh? 492 00:36:05,033 --> 00:36:07,831 It's good, but it's different. 493 00:36:10,153 --> 00:36:12,303 It's called Bull's Blood. 494 00:36:12,593 --> 00:36:15,346 It kind of sneaks up on you. Clobbers you. 495 00:36:15,553 --> 00:36:16,872 I bet. 496 00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:21,109 - It's a Hungarian trait. - Really? 497 00:36:25,273 --> 00:36:28,504 I heard about your wife. I'm sorry. 498 00:36:30,913 --> 00:36:33,381 You must've felt very bad. 499 00:36:34,433 --> 00:36:36,424 Yes. It was... 500 00:36:37,353 --> 00:36:39,389 ...a terrible accident. 501 00:36:41,153 --> 00:36:43,621 The police report said you were drunk. 502 00:36:47,713 --> 00:36:50,147 It must not have been very easy to cover up. 503 00:36:51,193 --> 00:36:54,026 You know, I liked you, Mrs. Talbot. 504 00:36:54,273 --> 00:36:57,185 Now I think I must have misjudged you. 505 00:36:57,793 --> 00:36:59,704 You are your father's daughter. 506 00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,029 Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. 507 00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:03,791 Yes, you did. 508 00:37:03,993 --> 00:37:06,746 You find the soft spot, then you like to turn the knife. 509 00:37:06,953 --> 00:37:10,582 So didn't joining legal aid ease the guilt, Jack? 510 00:37:11,553 --> 00:37:14,625 What if going after war criminals doesn't do it either? 511 00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:16,346 What are you gonna do then? 512 00:37:16,553 --> 00:37:20,341 You're gonna find Jesus. You're gonna get yourself born-again? 513 00:37:20,553 --> 00:37:23,351 Do you honestly think you need a self-serving reason... 514 00:37:23,553 --> 00:37:25,987 ...to justify prosecuting war criminals? 515 00:37:27,953 --> 00:37:31,150 I think maybe you should get another lawyer, Mrs. Talbot. 516 00:37:31,353 --> 00:37:33,583 Maybe a real lawyer to defend your father. 517 00:37:33,793 --> 00:37:36,182 One who's not emotionally involved. 518 00:37:36,393 --> 00:37:39,863 If you like, I'll accept a postponement while you... 519 00:37:40,073 --> 00:37:42,143 ...get a replacement. 520 00:37:42,353 --> 00:37:43,911 And by the way... 521 00:37:44,113 --> 00:37:46,707 ...they never pressed charges because there was no case. 522 00:37:46,914 --> 00:37:48,233 I was innocent. 523 00:37:48,434 --> 00:37:50,994 But they could've pressed charges, couldn't they, Jack? 524 00:37:51,194 --> 00:37:53,867 They could've built a case if they wanted to. 525 00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:56,030 Just like you're doing with my father. 526 00:37:56,234 --> 00:37:59,988 I fail to see how you can equate one with the other, Mrs. Talbot... 527 00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:01,866 ...but maybe you can in court. 528 00:38:02,074 --> 00:38:05,271 Good evening. I hope you enjoy your dinner. 529 00:38:16,554 --> 00:38:17,953 Smile, Papa. 530 00:38:19,274 --> 00:38:24,029 How can I smile? I'm scared. I'm going to pee in my pants. 531 00:38:24,714 --> 00:38:27,182 Papa, I want you to be real friendly with Georgine. 532 00:38:27,394 --> 00:38:28,793 Talk to her. Smile at her. 533 00:38:30,714 --> 00:38:32,705 Mike Laszlo. 534 00:38:35,754 --> 00:38:38,871 Six million lies! 535 00:38:47,674 --> 00:38:49,904 We're behind you, Mike! 536 00:38:50,514 --> 00:38:52,425 God be with you. 537 00:38:52,954 --> 00:38:54,467 Mike is innocent. 538 00:38:55,274 --> 00:38:56,502 Mike is innocent. 539 00:38:59,274 --> 00:39:01,993 Any statement, Mrs. Talbot? 540 00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:17,228 Hi. Hi. Annie. 541 00:39:17,434 --> 00:39:19,743 Annie, can I sit up here with you guys? 542 00:39:19,954 --> 00:39:21,945 Karchy. Give Karchy a hug. 543 00:39:22,154 --> 00:39:23,985 - I saw him this morning. - Give him a hug. 544 00:39:24,194 --> 00:39:26,025 - Okay. Okay. - Go sit down. 545 00:39:26,234 --> 00:39:28,225 - Why? - Tomorrow, wear a suit. Go sit down. 546 00:39:28,434 --> 00:39:30,470 - Can I--? - Sit down. 547 00:39:34,074 --> 00:39:35,666 Talk to Georgine. 548 00:39:39,474 --> 00:39:41,510 A lot of people here, gypsy. 549 00:39:45,474 --> 00:39:47,510 All rise. 550 00:39:53,034 --> 00:39:55,025 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 551 00:39:55,234 --> 00:39:56,792 United States District Court... 552 00:39:56,994 --> 00:39:59,792 ...for the northern district of Illinois is now in session. 553 00:39:59,994 --> 00:40:03,623 The Honourable Erwin W. Silver, judge, presiding. 554 00:40:03,834 --> 00:40:06,826 God save the United States and this honourable court. 555 00:40:07,034 --> 00:40:09,673 Please be seated and come to order. 556 00:40:10,234 --> 00:40:13,465 Case number 89-CN-22-80: 557 00:40:13,674 --> 00:40:18,145 The United States of America v. Michael J. Laszlo. 558 00:40:18,994 --> 00:40:24,273 I will tolerate no outbursts, disturbances or interruptions. 559 00:40:24,714 --> 00:40:26,545 You may make your opening statements. 560 00:40:27,554 --> 00:40:29,943 Thank you, Your Honour. May it please the court. 561 00:40:30,154 --> 00:40:32,031 - Mr. Burke. - Counsel? 562 00:40:32,674 --> 00:40:33,902 Mr. Burke. 563 00:40:35,754 --> 00:40:38,632 The issue in this case is simple. 564 00:40:39,194 --> 00:40:42,630 The evidence will show that Michael J. Laszlo... 565 00:40:42,834 --> 00:40:46,031 ...lied on his application for American citizenship... 566 00:40:46,234 --> 00:40:49,670 ...and was granted that citizenship under false pretences. 567 00:40:49,874 --> 00:40:53,150 His citizenship, consequently, must be taken away. 568 00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:56,194 He lied in order to hide the fact... 569 00:40:56,394 --> 00:41:01,991 ...that in the latter months of 1 944 and the early months of 1 945... 570 00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:07,552 ...he served as a member of an SS-organized Hungarian death squad... 571 00:41:07,754 --> 00:41:09,346 ...known as Arrow Cross. 572 00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:11,784 Also called the Special Section... 573 00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:15,626 ...a unit of the Hungarian gendarmes. 574 00:41:16,154 --> 00:41:19,908 Mr. Laszlo committed crimes so heinous that the mind boggles... 575 00:41:20,114 --> 00:41:21,627 ...trying to comprehend them. 576 00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:25,065 We are not speaking here of the banality of evil... 577 00:41:25,274 --> 00:41:30,792 ...of an anonymous bureaucrat sitting in an office giving orders... 578 00:41:31,194 --> 00:41:34,470 ...or a gendarme executing orders. 579 00:41:34,914 --> 00:41:37,508 We are speaking of a man... 580 00:41:37,714 --> 00:41:41,866 ...who committed these heinous crimes with his own hands. 581 00:41:42,074 --> 00:41:45,032 We are speaking of evil incarnate. 582 00:41:46,034 --> 00:41:47,945 Thank you, Your Honour. 583 00:41:50,754 --> 00:41:53,473 - Your Honour, if it please the court. - Mrs. Talbot. 584 00:41:53,674 --> 00:41:55,904 - Counsel. - Mrs. Talbot. 585 00:41:56,115 --> 00:41:57,548 Your Honour... 586 00:41:57,755 --> 00:42:00,747 ...the issue here is not whether my father lied... 587 00:42:00,955 --> 00:42:03,833 ...on his application for American citizenship. 588 00:42:04,035 --> 00:42:05,912 That is a smoke screen. 589 00:42:06,115 --> 00:42:08,026 Yes. My father did lie. 590 00:42:08,235 --> 00:42:11,227 But he did so because he did not want to be repatriated... 591 00:42:11,435 --> 00:42:13,824 ...by a Communist government that either executed... 592 00:42:14,035 --> 00:42:17,744 ...or sent to work camps all those who opposed it. 593 00:42:17,955 --> 00:42:19,911 My father was a gendarme. 594 00:42:20,115 --> 00:42:23,073 But he was not a member of the Special Section. 595 00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:25,425 My father worked as a clerk in an office. 596 00:42:25,635 --> 00:42:28,468 He requested that assignment because he could not tolerate... 597 00:42:28,675 --> 00:42:32,793 ...the brutalities that he witnessed his fellow gendarmes commit. 598 00:42:33,035 --> 00:42:37,233 My father is simply an innocent man who is unjustly accused. 599 00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:39,985 He is a man who is being punished by proxy... 600 00:42:40,195 --> 00:42:42,789 ...by a Communist government for an action he committed... 601 00:42:42,995 --> 00:42:46,465 ...against representatives of that government five years ago. 602 00:42:46,675 --> 00:42:48,870 - Your Honour, with your permission. - You may. 603 00:42:49,075 --> 00:42:50,827 Would you please? 604 00:42:56,875 --> 00:43:00,185 At an appearance here of the Hungarian National Folk Dancers... 605 00:43:00,395 --> 00:43:03,114 ...a group belonging to the Communist government... 606 00:43:03,395 --> 00:43:06,228 ...my father forced the performance to halt. 607 00:43:06,675 --> 00:43:09,792 The tour was cancelled, my father was arrested. 608 00:43:09,995 --> 00:43:12,555 Charges were later dismissed. 609 00:43:12,755 --> 00:43:15,667 The Hungarian government lodged an official protest... 610 00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:18,469 ...over the dismissal of those charges. 611 00:43:18,675 --> 00:43:21,587 The State Department rejected that protest. 612 00:43:21,795 --> 00:43:24,753 His action was a demonstration against the repressive policies... 613 00:43:24,955 --> 00:43:27,549 ...of the Communist government. Policies which resulted... 614 00:43:27,755 --> 00:43:33,432 ...in the deaths of 1 5,000 people during the Hungarian revolution of 1 956. 615 00:43:33,755 --> 00:43:36,144 My father is a good man. 616 00:43:36,355 --> 00:43:40,314 He's the kind of man who is willing to put himself at risk against injustice. 617 00:43:40,515 --> 00:43:42,073 I know that, Your Honour. 618 00:43:42,275 --> 00:43:45,347 And before this trial is over, I will prove it to you. 619 00:43:45,555 --> 00:43:47,034 Thank you. 620 00:43:47,435 --> 00:43:48,504 Yeah. 621 00:43:48,715 --> 00:43:51,707 You may call your first witness, Mr. Burke. 622 00:43:52,075 --> 00:43:54,669 I'm employed by the United States Department of Justice... 623 00:43:54,875 --> 00:43:57,025 ...the Immigration and Naturalization Service... 624 00:43:57,235 --> 00:44:00,545 ...at the Forensic Document Laboratory in McLean, Virginia. 625 00:44:00,755 --> 00:44:03,906 I'm a senior forensic document examiner. 626 00:44:06,075 --> 00:44:09,545 Now, what is the date of the Arrow Cross... 627 00:44:09,755 --> 00:44:12,827 ...Special Section identification card? 628 00:44:13,035 --> 00:44:14,707 November 1 , 1 944. 629 00:44:16,955 --> 00:44:19,549 Now, what is the date of the immigration card... 630 00:44:19,755 --> 00:44:21,791 ...issued upon arrival to the United States... 631 00:44:21,995 --> 00:44:24,429 ...the so-called green card? 632 00:44:24,635 --> 00:44:26,944 February 1 2, 1 952. 633 00:44:28,795 --> 00:44:30,672 Mr. Nathanson... 634 00:44:30,915 --> 00:44:33,827 ...what is your conclusion concerning the two documents? 635 00:44:34,035 --> 00:44:37,152 My conclusion is that the photographs are of the same man... 636 00:44:37,355 --> 00:44:39,232 ...and the signatures are of the same man: 637 00:44:39,435 --> 00:44:41,107 Michael J. Laszlo. 638 00:44:41,315 --> 00:44:45,194 Did you conduct an examination as to the authenticity... 639 00:44:45,395 --> 00:44:49,593 ...of the government exhibit one, the Special Section ID card? 640 00:44:49,795 --> 00:44:51,751 Objection, Your Honour. 641 00:44:52,635 --> 00:44:56,150 Government exhibit one is not a Special Section identification card. 642 00:44:56,355 --> 00:44:59,791 It is a Photostat of a Special Section identification card. 643 00:45:00,275 --> 00:45:02,027 Sustained. 644 00:45:02,475 --> 00:45:06,263 I conducted a full-phase examination of the Photostat I was provided... 645 00:45:06,475 --> 00:45:09,148 ...to determine whether there'd been alteration in any form. 646 00:45:09,355 --> 00:45:11,425 What methods did you use? 647 00:45:12,075 --> 00:45:15,545 I studied the document under low-power stereoscopic microscope... 648 00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,586 ...to determine background tone. 649 00:45:17,795 --> 00:45:20,548 In addition, I did a photo study and handwriting analysis... 650 00:45:20,755 --> 00:45:23,474 ...using all scientifically accepted methods. 651 00:45:23,675 --> 00:45:25,905 And what is your conclusion, Mr. Nathanson? 652 00:45:26,115 --> 00:45:28,948 The exhibit is authentic in my opinion. 653 00:45:29,235 --> 00:45:31,066 Your witness. 654 00:45:31,675 --> 00:45:33,267 Mr. Nathanson... 655 00:45:33,475 --> 00:45:36,751 ...when you say you did a photo study, you mean you did a photo study... 656 00:45:36,955 --> 00:45:39,344 - ...of a Photostat, isn't that correct? - Yes. 657 00:45:39,555 --> 00:45:41,386 Your Honour, may I approach the witness? 658 00:45:41,595 --> 00:45:42,948 Yes. 659 00:45:44,635 --> 00:45:48,071 The fact that government exhibit number one is a Photostat... 660 00:45:48,275 --> 00:45:51,745 ...and not the document itself, did that hinder you in any way? 661 00:45:51,955 --> 00:45:54,628 I felt I was not restricted by the Photostat. 662 00:45:54,835 --> 00:45:57,588 But would you have felt more confident in your conclusions... 663 00:45:57,795 --> 00:46:00,150 ...if you were dealing with the ID card itself? 664 00:46:00,475 --> 00:46:03,114 I feel confident in my conclusions without it. 665 00:46:03,595 --> 00:46:07,383 Mr. Nathanson, when analysing a Photostat... 666 00:46:07,596 --> 00:46:09,427 ...to authenticate a document... 667 00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:13,754 ...is it possible to consider the texture of the original document? 668 00:46:13,956 --> 00:46:16,072 A Photostat examined microscopically... 669 00:46:16,276 --> 00:46:18,153 ...would show any alteration in the paper. 670 00:46:18,596 --> 00:46:22,191 Can you authenticate the age of the paper with a Photostat? 671 00:46:22,396 --> 00:46:24,193 - Indirectly, yes. - Indirectly? 672 00:46:24,396 --> 00:46:26,705 - Yes. - But the only way to authenticate it... 673 00:46:26,916 --> 00:46:29,953 ...directly is by having the original document. 674 00:46:30,596 --> 00:46:31,995 Yes. 675 00:46:32,676 --> 00:46:36,954 So, Mr. Nathanson, your conclusions here today are not definitive, are they? 676 00:46:37,156 --> 00:46:38,384 In my opinion, they are. 677 00:46:38,596 --> 00:46:40,552 - In your opinion? - Yes. 678 00:46:42,076 --> 00:46:44,146 Mr. Nathanson, are you Jewish? 679 00:46:44,356 --> 00:46:47,792 Objection, Your Honour. The witness's religion is not relevant here. 680 00:46:47,996 --> 00:46:51,113 It relates directly, Your Honour, to his objectivity as a witness. 681 00:46:51,316 --> 00:46:53,466 He just stated he was offering an opinion. 682 00:46:53,676 --> 00:46:56,236 He offered conclusions based on 30 years of experience... 683 00:46:56,436 --> 00:46:59,508 - ...in the Justice Department. - Overruled. 684 00:46:59,716 --> 00:47:01,468 You may answer the question. 685 00:47:01,676 --> 00:47:03,075 I'm Unitarian. 686 00:47:03,556 --> 00:47:05,911 But I am part Jewish on my father's side. 687 00:47:06,636 --> 00:47:08,786 - Yeah. - No further questions, Your Honour. 688 00:47:08,996 --> 00:47:11,590 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 689 00:47:11,796 --> 00:47:14,310 We will adjourn until tomorrow morning. 690 00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:18,635 First witness, and her bottom line is, "Are you Jewish?" 691 00:47:22,476 --> 00:47:23,909 Yes! 692 00:47:28,356 --> 00:47:32,747 Georgine, find out where the witnesses from Hungary are staying. 693 00:47:32,956 --> 00:47:35,311 I wanna know who they see and what they talk about. 694 00:47:35,516 --> 00:47:37,632 They're gonna be speaking Hungarian. 695 00:47:37,836 --> 00:47:41,226 I understand Hungarian. Don't I, Papa? 696 00:47:42,036 --> 00:47:46,507 You wear a suit tomorrow. You sit next to me, like Annie. Both my kids. 697 00:47:46,716 --> 00:47:49,594 - It's in the dry cleaner's, Pop. - Well, get it out. 698 00:47:54,196 --> 00:47:57,711 Hi, Grandpa. I saw you on TV again. 699 00:47:57,956 --> 00:47:59,992 - Hey, honey. - Hey, Mom. 700 00:48:00,716 --> 00:48:02,149 Let me see. 701 00:48:02,356 --> 00:48:04,233 - What's the matter with your eye? - Nothing. 702 00:48:04,436 --> 00:48:05,789 - What happened? - I'm fine. 703 00:48:05,996 --> 00:48:07,793 - It was just a fight at school. - Show me. 704 00:48:07,996 --> 00:48:10,066 - Let's put something on it. - I'm fine. 705 00:48:11,676 --> 00:48:13,394 Sons of a bitches! 706 00:48:13,596 --> 00:48:17,350 - Goddamn them to fucking hell. - Good night, Mr. Laszlo. 707 00:48:18,356 --> 00:48:20,426 Why, you! 708 00:48:22,636 --> 00:48:26,151 Hon, put this one on. This is fresh. 709 00:48:26,356 --> 00:48:28,916 Oh, Mikey. Why do you watch them? They're so violent. 710 00:48:29,116 --> 00:48:31,869 - No, they're not. They're funny. - No, they're stupid. 711 00:48:32,076 --> 00:48:34,465 Can I go to the trial with you? 712 00:48:35,076 --> 00:48:37,431 It's not for kids, honey. 713 00:48:38,196 --> 00:48:40,630 I already know all about that stuff anyway. 714 00:48:40,836 --> 00:48:43,304 - Yeah? - Grandpa told me all about it. 715 00:48:43,516 --> 00:48:45,472 What did he tell you? 716 00:48:45,956 --> 00:48:47,833 It's a secret just between him and me. 717 00:48:48,396 --> 00:48:50,307 You can't tell me? 718 00:48:53,196 --> 00:48:55,664 He said it's all a big exaggeration. 719 00:48:55,876 --> 00:48:58,265 The Holocaust and stuff. 720 00:48:58,516 --> 00:49:00,154 It's all made-up. 721 00:49:01,316 --> 00:49:03,034 He said that? 722 00:49:03,836 --> 00:49:06,350 You're not gonna say anything, are you? 723 00:49:07,796 --> 00:49:09,229 Keep that on your eye. 724 00:49:09,436 --> 00:49:11,870 -Just keep it on your eye. - Wise guy. I'll plank him. 725 00:49:12,076 --> 00:49:15,193 Turn this off, Mikey. You've got homework. 726 00:49:18,756 --> 00:49:21,793 - That was a stupid thing to say. - What did I say? 727 00:49:22,196 --> 00:49:24,585 What you said to Mikey about the Holocaust. 728 00:49:24,796 --> 00:49:27,264 - I didn't say anything to him. - Don't lie to me, Papa. 729 00:49:27,476 --> 00:49:29,273 - I'm not lying to you. - He just told me. 730 00:49:29,476 --> 00:49:30,989 He didn't! 731 00:49:31,236 --> 00:49:32,669 Grandpa Talbot. 732 00:49:33,796 --> 00:49:36,754 You said you wouldn't say anything! 733 00:49:44,956 --> 00:49:46,867 All rise. 734 00:49:52,436 --> 00:49:54,791 - Come, sit up here. - Please be seated. 735 00:49:59,476 --> 00:50:01,592 Just keep your mouth shut today. 736 00:50:01,796 --> 00:50:03,468 Call your next witness, Mr. Burke. 737 00:50:04,676 --> 00:50:06,792 May we see you in chambers, Your Honour? 738 00:50:06,996 --> 00:50:08,270 You may. 739 00:50:08,476 --> 00:50:10,148 All rise. 740 00:50:10,356 --> 00:50:13,553 - What's going on, Annie? - I don't know. 741 00:50:15,637 --> 00:50:18,276 - What's going on, Pop? - I don't know. 742 00:50:19,757 --> 00:50:21,713 I have some good news, Your Honour. 743 00:50:21,917 --> 00:50:23,794 The Hungarian government has turned over... 744 00:50:23,997 --> 00:50:28,593 ...the Special Section ID card itself to the Justice Department labs. 745 00:50:29,117 --> 00:50:31,677 Maybe that will clarify everything. 746 00:50:31,877 --> 00:50:33,947 Do you have a problem with that, Mrs. Talbot? 747 00:50:34,157 --> 00:50:35,795 No, Your Honour. 748 00:50:37,277 --> 00:50:40,189 It's funny. I score some points on one of your witnesses... 749 00:50:40,397 --> 00:50:43,469 ...and they throw something in the pot from Budapest. 750 00:50:43,957 --> 00:50:45,629 They prosecuting the case, or are you? 751 00:50:45,877 --> 00:50:48,391 Come on. We've been working for months... 752 00:50:48,597 --> 00:50:51,111 ...through the embassies to get the original card. 753 00:50:51,317 --> 00:50:53,547 The way you've been carrying on about Photostat... 754 00:50:53,757 --> 00:50:55,395 ...you should be jumping with joy. 755 00:50:55,597 --> 00:50:58,748 I'll let your forensic-documents man examine it first. 756 00:50:58,957 --> 00:51:01,915 - Will a week be sufficient? - Yes, Your Honour. Thank you. 757 00:51:06,557 --> 00:51:08,752 Mrs. Hollo, tell us what happened... 758 00:51:08,957 --> 00:51:13,109 ...on the afternoon of January the 1 1 th, 1 945. 759 00:51:15,397 --> 00:51:17,228 I worked at the steam dry cleaners. 760 00:51:22,397 --> 00:51:26,185 I left work early that day because the bombings were especially heavy. 761 00:51:31,637 --> 00:51:33,593 Do you approve of the translation, Papa? 762 00:51:33,797 --> 00:51:35,594 - All the buildings were on fire. - Yeah. 763 00:51:35,797 --> 00:51:37,833 There was smoke everywhere. 764 00:51:39,877 --> 00:51:41,435 The air-raid sirens were on. 765 00:51:44,277 --> 00:51:47,394 It was at Kalvin's Square where I saw them. 766 00:51:47,597 --> 00:51:49,474 Who did you see? 767 00:51:54,277 --> 00:51:57,030 I saw three men in black uniforms. 768 00:52:01,037 --> 00:52:03,153 I knew they were Special Section Arrow Cross. 769 00:52:03,357 --> 00:52:06,667 - This one can't even speak English. - Karchy. 770 00:52:06,917 --> 00:52:08,555 Karchy. 771 00:52:09,317 --> 00:52:10,545 Shut up. 772 00:52:10,757 --> 00:52:14,796 They were talking to my neighbour, Mrs. Canter, and her 1 0-year-old son. 773 00:52:21,397 --> 00:52:23,911 Then one of them yelled at the woman, "You gypsy whore. 774 00:52:24,117 --> 00:52:26,677 - What are you doing here?" - What did Mrs. Canter say? 775 00:52:30,637 --> 00:52:34,186 She started to cry and she said, "No, I'm not a gypsy." 776 00:52:43,037 --> 00:52:45,153 Then he yelled at her, "If you're not a Jew... 777 00:52:45,357 --> 00:52:48,508 ...tell your boy to say the 'Our Father."' 778 00:52:52,757 --> 00:52:55,794 She started to cry so hard she couldn't even speak. 779 00:52:58,117 --> 00:53:00,677 And the others just laughed. 780 00:53:05,717 --> 00:53:07,594 It's all right. Take your time. 781 00:53:08,557 --> 00:53:09,785 What happened? 782 00:53:11,837 --> 00:53:13,714 He shot her in the head. 783 00:53:19,517 --> 00:53:21,906 Then the boy threw himself on top of her... 784 00:53:22,117 --> 00:53:24,153 ...and then he shot the boy in the head also. 785 00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:33,670 Then one of them said, "Mischka, let's get out of here." 786 00:53:33,877 --> 00:53:35,105 And they just walked away. 787 00:53:35,317 --> 00:53:37,069 He called him Mischka? 788 00:53:37,277 --> 00:53:38,596 Yes. 789 00:53:38,837 --> 00:53:40,634 Mrs. Hollo... 790 00:53:43,037 --> 00:53:45,073 ...is this the man... 791 00:53:45,717 --> 00:53:47,912 ...that shot the mother and the boy? 792 00:53:48,837 --> 00:53:50,668 Yes. This is the man. 793 00:53:57,997 --> 00:53:59,828 He walked right by me when they left. 794 00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:03,154 He was so close I could have reached out and touched him. 795 00:54:03,357 --> 00:54:05,825 No further questions, Your Honour. 796 00:54:06,317 --> 00:54:07,830 Your witness. 797 00:54:08,037 --> 00:54:10,267 Mrs. Hollo, you must have an amazing memory... 798 00:54:10,477 --> 00:54:13,196 ...to recognize a face you saw only briefly 40 years ago. 799 00:54:13,397 --> 00:54:14,796 - Your Honour? - Yes. 800 00:54:14,997 --> 00:54:16,635 Mrs. Hollo... 801 00:54:16,877 --> 00:54:20,153 ...did you place a phone call to Budapest last night? 802 00:54:20,357 --> 00:54:23,508 Objection. Irrelevant and immaterial. This woman is not on trial here. 803 00:54:23,718 --> 00:54:25,549 Relates to the witness' state of mind. 804 00:54:25,758 --> 00:54:28,113 The witness' state of mind is not the issue here. 805 00:54:28,318 --> 00:54:32,436 - I will allow it. Get to the point soon. - Did you place a call to Budapest? 806 00:54:34,438 --> 00:54:36,394 Yes. I spoke to my son. 807 00:54:36,598 --> 00:54:38,350 And what does your son do in Hungary? 808 00:54:38,558 --> 00:54:42,233 Objection. Her son's life has no bearing on this trial. 809 00:54:42,438 --> 00:54:44,235 Overruled. 810 00:54:45,358 --> 00:54:47,076 What does your son do? 811 00:54:51,478 --> 00:54:54,231 He's deputy to the assistant agricultural minister. 812 00:54:54,438 --> 00:54:57,350 - He's a Communist official? - Objection. This is redbaiting. 813 00:54:57,558 --> 00:55:00,311 I must be able to question this witness regarding motivation. 814 00:55:00,518 --> 00:55:02,907 Excuse me, how would you know she made a phone call? 815 00:55:03,118 --> 00:55:05,712 Counsel, would you approach the bench, please? 816 00:55:11,718 --> 00:55:14,391 - How do you know she called? - I was fishing, Your Honour. 817 00:55:14,598 --> 00:55:16,873 Yeah. What did you do, wiretap the room? 818 00:55:17,158 --> 00:55:20,230 If Mr. Burke is accusing me of an illegal act... 819 00:55:20,438 --> 00:55:23,236 - ...he should do it formally. - She'll turn this into a circus. 820 00:55:23,438 --> 00:55:26,475 - You'd like that, wouldn't you? - Mr. Burke, in this courtroom... 821 00:55:26,678 --> 00:55:30,717 ...address your arguments to me, not to opposing counsel. 822 00:55:30,958 --> 00:55:34,314 Mrs. Talbot, you may pursue this line of inquiry... 823 00:55:34,758 --> 00:55:36,635 ...but do it quickly, and make your point. 824 00:55:36,838 --> 00:55:38,112 Thank you. 825 00:55:39,238 --> 00:55:43,231 - My objection stands, for the record. - Objection is overruled, for the record. 826 00:55:43,438 --> 00:55:44,917 Is your son a Communist official? 827 00:55:50,438 --> 00:55:53,157 Government officials are members of the Communist party. 828 00:55:53,358 --> 00:55:57,510 Mrs. Hollo, when you identified the photograph of my father in Budapest... 829 00:55:57,718 --> 00:55:59,913 ...did you speak with your son about it? 830 00:56:00,118 --> 00:56:01,346 Yes. 831 00:56:01,558 --> 00:56:04,197 And did your son tell you... 832 00:56:04,398 --> 00:56:06,309 ...that my father had once been arrested... 833 00:56:06,518 --> 00:56:09,112 ...for disrupting the Hungarian National Folk Dancers? 834 00:56:09,318 --> 00:56:12,833 - Objection, Your Honour. - Overruled. 835 00:56:13,158 --> 00:56:16,070 - Did he? - No. He did not. 836 00:56:16,638 --> 00:56:19,027 But you know it now. 837 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:21,271 Yes. 838 00:56:24,638 --> 00:56:27,630 But this has nothing to do with my testimony here. 839 00:56:28,118 --> 00:56:29,517 No? 840 00:56:32,798 --> 00:56:34,550 No further questions, Your Honour. 841 00:56:34,758 --> 00:56:36,749 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 842 00:56:37,478 --> 00:56:39,753 We will recess for one hour. 843 00:56:42,638 --> 00:56:44,833 Georgine Wheeler, please. 844 00:56:47,398 --> 00:56:49,832 Pop, I've got a lot of good salami sandwiches here. 845 00:56:50,038 --> 00:56:51,756 - Want one? - She say when she'd be back? 846 00:56:51,958 --> 00:56:53,550 - Harry. - Mischka, don't worry. 847 00:56:53,758 --> 00:56:55,350 They're never gonna send you back. 848 00:56:55,558 --> 00:56:57,116 - Salami? - Both of us will be dead... 849 00:56:57,318 --> 00:57:00,469 - ...before the appeals are exhausted. - Yes. 850 00:57:01,278 --> 00:57:03,917 I thought you did real good, considering. 851 00:57:06,238 --> 00:57:08,388 Annie, you want a salami sandwich? 852 00:57:10,558 --> 00:57:13,630 You know, I don't understand what the hell is going on here. 853 00:57:13,838 --> 00:57:16,591 Trouble with these young clowns in Washington today... 854 00:57:16,798 --> 00:57:21,349 ...they're so full of glasnost and building Hilton hotels over there. 855 00:57:21,718 --> 00:57:24,107 They should never have gotten into court. 856 00:57:24,798 --> 00:57:27,517 - Why'd you say that to Mikey? - What did I say? 857 00:57:27,718 --> 00:57:29,993 The Holocaust was all made-up. 858 00:57:30,718 --> 00:57:34,472 I don't know what you're talking about. Mikey and I never discuss politics. 859 00:57:35,518 --> 00:57:36,633 Where have you been? 860 00:57:36,838 --> 00:57:40,308 Getting information from those Hungarian witnesses. 861 00:57:43,158 --> 00:57:44,637 Do you swear to tell the truth... 862 00:57:44,838 --> 00:57:47,671 ...the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 863 00:57:47,878 --> 00:57:50,392 - Yeah, I do. - Please be seated. 864 00:57:51,438 --> 00:57:54,908 - Mr. Boday, do you speak English? - Little. 865 00:57:55,118 --> 00:57:58,076 We could use the interpreter if you'd like to speak Hungarian. 866 00:57:58,278 --> 00:58:00,155 I try English. 867 00:58:00,358 --> 00:58:02,030 Mr. Burke. 868 00:58:03,998 --> 00:58:07,547 - Mr. Boday, where do you reside? - In Budapest. 869 00:58:07,758 --> 00:58:11,353 And where did you reside in December of 1 944? 870 00:58:11,558 --> 00:58:12,911 In Budapest ghetto. 871 00:58:13,438 --> 00:58:16,589 Mr. Boday, can you describe to us the events... 872 00:58:16,798 --> 00:58:21,428 ...that took place there on December the 1 4th, 1 944? 873 00:58:22,078 --> 00:58:24,797 Night, 7:00. 874 00:58:24,998 --> 00:58:26,670 One room we're in. 875 00:58:26,878 --> 00:58:28,948 My mother, father... 876 00:58:29,158 --> 00:58:32,548 ...my brother, my wife, Clara, my boy. 877 00:58:32,959 --> 00:58:37,555 - How old was your boy? - He 7 year old. 878 00:58:37,999 --> 00:58:40,035 - They come. - Who came in? 879 00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:42,434 Special Section. 880 00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:46,791 They come in. Machine gun, uniform. 881 00:58:46,999 --> 00:58:49,308 - Black. All black. - You must look at the witness. 882 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:50,872 On arm.... 883 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:52,873 - How you say? - What? 884 00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:54,273 - Look at him. - "Insignia." 885 00:58:54,479 --> 00:58:55,707 lnsignia. 886 00:58:58,439 --> 00:59:01,158 - "Arrow Cross." - Arrow Cross. 887 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,351 Did you know about the Arrow Cross before, Mr. Boday? 888 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,517 Yeah. We see Arrow Cross before. 889 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:09,949 How many of them were there, Mr. Boday? 890 00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:11,478 Four. 891 00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:16,594 Two leaders. One have scar on face. 892 00:59:16,999 --> 00:59:19,832 Other, big boss, Mischka. 893 00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:23,509 - His name was Mischka? - Yeah. They called him Mischka. 894 00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,916 What did they do then, Mr. Boday? 895 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,997 Mischka, he the most talk. He say: 896 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,635 "You got jewel, diamonds. All you Jews got gold." 897 00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:36,831 My father say, "We got nothing." 898 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,629 - Then what happened? - Mischka, he-- 899 00:59:40,839 --> 00:59:43,558 He take my wife. He say: 900 00:59:43,759 --> 00:59:45,431 "Open mouth, pig." 901 00:59:46,999 --> 00:59:48,751 He look at teeth. 902 00:59:48,959 --> 00:59:51,837 He say, "Plenty gold." 903 00:59:53,999 --> 00:59:55,637 And then? 904 00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:57,757 They take us from ghetto. 905 00:59:57,959 --> 01:00:00,348 Very cold. Snow. 906 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,754 We march in street. 907 01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:04,751 My mother fall. 908 01:00:04,959 --> 01:00:07,348 One of them, not Mischka... 909 01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:09,914 ...he with a scar... 910 01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:12,548 ...he beat her on head with rifle. 911 01:00:12,879 --> 01:00:14,517 We keep march. 912 01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:17,916 No see Mama again. She stay in street. 913 01:00:18,919 --> 01:00:23,310 -Where did they march you? - They march us to the Duna riverbank. 914 01:00:23,959 --> 01:00:25,677 Danube. 915 01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,155 By bridge. Lanchid. 916 01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:29,712 To a field. 917 01:00:29,919 --> 01:00:31,671 Many people there. Jews. 918 01:00:31,879 --> 01:00:35,758 Mischka say, "All you get bath, water cold, kill fleas." 919 01:00:35,959 --> 01:00:40,635 And what happened there, Mr. Boday, on the riverbank of the Danube? 920 01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:42,678 They tell us: 921 01:00:42,879 --> 01:00:44,995 "Stand close." 922 01:00:45,399 --> 01:00:47,230 We stand close. 923 01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:49,471 They take wire. 924 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:53,718 They wrap wire around us, two group. 925 01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:55,711 Very tight. 926 01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:01,792 They move us to the edge of bank of river. 927 01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:03,997 Mischka say: 928 01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:06,554 "Sorry, we no got enough the bullet." 929 01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:12,911 He take pistol, go behind my Clara. 930 01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:15,472 He say: 931 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,113 "One for you, pig." 932 01:01:19,879 --> 01:01:21,517 He shoot. 933 01:01:23,279 --> 01:01:25,315 He come behind us... 934 01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,067 ...he put pistol to my father head... 935 01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:33,598 ...he shoot. 936 01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,828 And then push us in Duna. 937 01:01:38,759 --> 01:01:42,434 So he shot your wife and then your father and dumped you in the river. 938 01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,199 Your Honour, that is not a question, that is a speech. 939 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:48,157 Sustained. 940 01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:54,553 Yeah. They-- They push from edge. 941 01:01:55,439 --> 01:01:57,555 We wired together. 942 01:01:58,359 --> 01:02:01,271 Duna very cold. They think we all die. 943 01:02:01,479 --> 01:02:03,390 How did you survive, Mr. Boday? 944 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,636 I don't know. I feel I died. 945 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:10,435 We got swept to riverbank. 946 01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:15,112 I got hand out, take wire off. 947 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:18,951 Father dead... 948 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:20,871 ...boy dead. 949 01:02:21,319 --> 01:02:22,877 I no see Clara in water. 950 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:28,757 Mr. Boday... 951 01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:36,116 ...is this the man that shot your wife and your father... 952 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:40,073 - ...and pushed you in the river? - Yeah. That is Mischka. 953 01:02:40,399 --> 01:02:44,597 Is there any doubt in your mind that that is the man, Mr. Boday? 954 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,754 I see him 40 year every night I close eyes. 955 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,951 It is Mischka. 956 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,795 No further questions, Your Honour. Your witness. 957 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,996 Mr. Boday, would you care to take a short recess before we begin? 958 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,357 Mr. Boday... 959 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,274 ...how did you identify my father as the man... 960 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,391 ...who did these things to your family? 961 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,275 They come to me six month ago, show me photograph. 962 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,754 They showed you a photograph? 963 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,430 - Objection, the witness is misspeaking. - He's coaching the witness. 964 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,108 Let the witness speak for himself, Mr. Burke. 965 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,190 They show me many photographs of many people. 966 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,960 Who showed you these photographs? 967 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,953 Mr. Burke... 968 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,355 ...man from American Embassy... 969 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,476 ...man from Interior Ministry and translator. 970 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:42,954 And what did they tell you? 971 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,869 Mr. Burke, he say he investigate war criminal. 972 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,993 He find in United Nations my affidavit what happened. 973 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,794 He say, "I think they find man." 974 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,195 How many photographs were shown to you? 975 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,118 - Many. - This guy's a fake. 976 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,232 Were there 1 0 or 20? Were there 1 00? 977 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,558 - Twelve or 1 5. - Well, which was it? Was it 1 2 or 1 5? 978 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,638 - I no remember. - You don't remember? 979 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,431 - How were they displayed to you? - Displayed? 980 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,278 They put on table. 981 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,029 And of these 1 2 or 1 5 photos... 982 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,959 ...where was my father's picture on the table? 983 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,477 - I don't remember exactly. - You don't remember? 984 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,393 And were the men in the photographs all the same age? 985 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,433 Yeah. All of them young, like Mischka. 986 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,638 How long did it take you to recognize the photo? 987 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,757 Mr. Boday, you said that you dreamed of this man every night... 988 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,076 ...for 40 years, that you couldn't forget. 989 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,998 So how long did it take? 990 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,191 Can you give us your best estimate? 991 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,552 As soon as I see him. 992 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,799 Mr. Boday, are you a member of the Communist party? 993 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,037 Objection, Your Honour. lrrelevant and immaterial. 994 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,356 Relates to his believability as a witness. 995 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,279 No member. I no like Communist. 996 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,948 They know I no like them. 997 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,710 What they can do to me? 998 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,038 I old man, no have family. 999 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,959 Nobody can no hurt me no more. 1000 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,112 You have your answer, Mrs. Talbot. 1001 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,199 No further questions, Your Honour. 1002 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,113 Mr. Burke? 1003 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,349 We will adjourn until tomorrow morning. 1004 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,915 Mr. Vamos, tell us where you were between... 1005 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,635 ...December of 1 944 and January, 1 945. 1006 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,956 In Budapest. Forced labour. 1007 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,516 -Where did you work? - At bank of Duna, Danube River. 1008 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,597 Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1009 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,916 What were your duties there? 1010 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,034 - Clean up. - Mr. Vamos... 1011 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,118 ...do you remember meeting a man there in the Special Section... 1012 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,673 ...known as Mischka? 1013 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,236 Everybody know Mischka. Everybody afraid. 1014 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,314 Mischka worst. 1015 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,795 Why was that, Mr. Vamos? 1016 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,275 Why was he the worst? 1017 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,677 Mischka and his group enjoy. 1018 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,760 Mr. Vamos, what was it that Mischka did... 1019 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,151 ...at the interrogation centre that you saw him enjoying? 1020 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,148 Mischka liked kill Jew. Mischka liked kill gypsy more than Jew. 1021 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,358 Mischka liked game. lnside, they ask: 1022 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,632 "You have gold, diamond?" You say, "No." 1023 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,149 Mischka take outside, play game. 1024 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,676 What was this game, Mr. Vamos, and how was it played? 1025 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,993 - He put bayonet in earth. - Your Honour, may we demonstrate? 1026 01:06:55,201 --> 01:06:56,759 Yes, yes. 1027 01:06:56,961 --> 01:07:01,432 Would you mind coming down and showing us how the game was played? 1028 01:07:03,641 --> 01:07:07,998 Mr. Vamos, suppose or imagine that this were a bayonet. 1029 01:07:08,201 --> 01:07:10,237 How did he play the game? Show us. 1030 01:07:12,361 --> 01:07:14,795 He make hole. 1031 01:07:15,001 --> 01:07:18,232 He put bayonet in earth. 1032 01:07:19,081 --> 01:07:21,436 He tell you get on earth. 1033 01:07:21,681 --> 01:07:24,479 Body over bayonet. 1034 01:07:24,681 --> 01:07:26,239 Arm and leg on earth. 1035 01:07:28,121 --> 01:07:30,589 Push up and down, push up and down. 1036 01:07:30,801 --> 01:07:33,395 Up and down, up and down. 1037 01:07:33,601 --> 01:07:35,432 - Pushups? - Pushups. 1038 01:07:35,641 --> 01:07:40,237 Mischka like pushup. He do pushup too. With bayonet too. 1039 01:07:40,441 --> 01:07:42,511 He had them doing the pushups over the bayonet? 1040 01:07:42,721 --> 01:07:46,191 Till fall. We throw in Duna. Clean up. 1041 01:07:46,401 --> 01:07:48,232 - I do clean up. - Thank you, Mr. Vamos. 1042 01:07:48,441 --> 01:07:49,920 Thank you very much. 1043 01:07:50,121 --> 01:07:54,956 Mr. Vamos, did you ever have any occasion to speak to Mischka? 1044 01:07:55,961 --> 01:07:58,429 No can speak. Once speak Mischka, hit with gun. 1045 01:07:58,641 --> 01:08:01,713 No can look. We look, Mischka hit with gun too. 1046 01:08:03,881 --> 01:08:06,554 We were not permitted to look into his eyes. 1047 01:08:06,801 --> 01:08:09,520 Was there a shortage of ammunition while you were there? 1048 01:08:09,721 --> 01:08:12,554 Oh, yeah. Big trouble. They no can shoot. 1049 01:08:12,761 --> 01:08:17,312 They take wire, wire people together, shoot one, dump all in Duna. 1050 01:08:17,521 --> 01:08:19,751 Did you ever see the man known as Mischka do that? 1051 01:08:19,961 --> 01:08:21,474 Oh, yeah. Many time. 1052 01:08:21,721 --> 01:08:26,158 Approximately how many times would you say, Mr. Vamos? Approximately. 1053 01:08:26,401 --> 01:08:28,278 Twenty, 30. 1054 01:08:28,481 --> 01:08:29,994 River red. 1055 01:08:30,201 --> 01:08:32,920 lce on side of river red. 1056 01:08:33,121 --> 01:08:35,760 Bodies on side of river blue. 1057 01:08:35,961 --> 01:08:38,316 Blue Danube was red. 1058 01:08:39,881 --> 01:08:41,837 Mr. Vamos... 1059 01:08:42,761 --> 01:08:45,480 ...is this the man that you knew as Mischka... 1060 01:08:45,721 --> 01:08:48,872 ...at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre? 1061 01:08:51,281 --> 01:08:53,237 - Yeah. - Mr. Vamos... 1062 01:08:53,481 --> 01:08:55,437 ...would you mind looking at the photograph? 1063 01:08:55,641 --> 01:08:57,074 Yeah. 1064 01:08:57,961 --> 01:09:00,919 Please, Mr. Vamos, can you look at the photograph? 1065 01:09:02,921 --> 01:09:04,673 It is him. 1066 01:09:07,441 --> 01:09:10,877 No further questions, Your Honour. Your witness. 1067 01:09:11,921 --> 01:09:15,277 I'm sorry to have to ask you these questions. 1068 01:09:16,641 --> 01:09:18,597 Mr. Vamos... 1069 01:09:19,001 --> 01:09:21,799 ...do you know Istvan Boday? 1070 01:09:22,281 --> 01:09:25,159 - I read in Budapest newspaper. - She's going up the wrong tree. 1071 01:09:25,361 --> 01:09:26,635 We'll see. 1072 01:09:26,841 --> 01:09:29,309 - Did you know him in Budapest? - No. 1073 01:09:29,521 --> 01:09:31,830 You never spoke to him in Budapest? 1074 01:09:32,041 --> 01:09:34,839 They tell us no speak to each other. No me. 1075 01:09:35,081 --> 01:09:37,549 You never spoke to him on the plane over here? 1076 01:09:37,801 --> 01:09:39,598 They have us come different plane. 1077 01:09:39,841 --> 01:09:43,117 - You never spoke to him in your hotel? - Different hotel. 1078 01:09:43,321 --> 01:09:46,711 - So you've never spoken to Mr. Boday? - No. 1079 01:09:47,361 --> 01:09:49,431 Are you telling the truth, Mr. Vamos? 1080 01:09:49,681 --> 01:09:51,558 I no lie to you. 1081 01:09:51,801 --> 01:09:55,430 Then would you tell us about the meeting you had last night... 1082 01:09:55,641 --> 01:09:58,519 ...in your hotel room with Istvan Boday? 1083 01:09:58,721 --> 01:09:59,949 Objection, Your Honour. 1084 01:10:00,161 --> 01:10:02,675 The witness just said he never spoke to Mr. Boday. 1085 01:10:03,081 --> 01:10:04,400 Overruled. 1086 01:10:04,601 --> 01:10:08,480 You did meet with him in your hotel room last night, didn't you? 1087 01:10:08,681 --> 01:10:10,672 - Didn't you, Mr. Vamos? - Yeah. 1088 01:10:10,881 --> 01:10:12,155 He come to my room. 1089 01:10:12,921 --> 01:10:14,320 Judas Priest. 1090 01:10:14,521 --> 01:10:17,115 So you were lying before when you told us... 1091 01:10:17,321 --> 01:10:21,030 - ...that you had never spoken to him. - Yeah, I lie. 1092 01:10:21,281 --> 01:10:22,509 Do you lie often? 1093 01:10:22,721 --> 01:10:26,999 Boday come to my room, he ask, he want to know about wife and brother. 1094 01:10:27,241 --> 01:10:30,313 Did you and Mr. Boday go over your stories together? 1095 01:10:30,521 --> 01:10:33,319 - Did you compare notes? - No, he ask if I remember. 1096 01:10:33,521 --> 01:10:36,718 - He show wife's picture. - He came to show you... 1097 01:10:36,921 --> 01:10:41,153 ...a photograph of someone you might have seen once, 40 years ago? 1098 01:10:41,401 --> 01:10:44,598 - Yes. - And you didn't speak of anything else? 1099 01:10:46,121 --> 01:10:47,952 No further questions, Your Honour. 1100 01:10:48,161 --> 01:10:50,675 How you can do this? I come here, I tell truth. 1101 01:10:52,161 --> 01:10:55,471 How it can be wrong? A man ask about his wife. That's wrong? 1102 01:10:55,681 --> 01:10:58,070 You must step down, sir. 1103 01:11:10,522 --> 01:11:12,353 Go on, Mr. Vamos. 1104 01:11:14,962 --> 01:11:17,795 Everything will be all right, Mr. Vamos. 1105 01:11:23,722 --> 01:11:26,953 - Come this way with me. - I think this is Mr. Burke's last witness. 1106 01:11:27,202 --> 01:11:29,875 Your Honour, we have one more witness, Mrs. Melinda Kalman. 1107 01:11:30,122 --> 01:11:31,601 Judge, a moment. 1108 01:11:31,802 --> 01:11:34,236 We have no witness statement. We have no deposition. 1109 01:11:34,442 --> 01:11:36,751 I object to this witness. 1110 01:11:37,002 --> 01:11:40,278 A last-minute government witness. Arrived last evening from Budapest. 1111 01:11:40,482 --> 01:11:44,475 She's a psychiatrist specializing in rape trauma. 1112 01:11:44,682 --> 01:11:48,231 Judge Silver overruled vehement defence objections to her testimony. 1113 01:11:48,442 --> 01:11:51,081 A car stopped in the street. 1114 01:11:51,282 --> 01:11:53,477 There were two men inside. 1115 01:11:53,682 --> 01:11:57,277 They were wearing the uniforms of the Arrow Cross. 1116 01:11:57,482 --> 01:12:00,679 They asked me for identification. 1117 01:12:00,882 --> 01:12:03,521 I had left my purse... 1118 01:12:03,722 --> 01:12:08,034 ...at a piano lesson. I had no papers. 1119 01:12:08,242 --> 01:12:13,953 One of the men, he had a long scar on the left side of his face. 1120 01:12:14,162 --> 01:12:15,390 He said: 1121 01:12:15,602 --> 01:12:20,278 "Look how pretty this pig is, Mischka." 1122 01:12:20,482 --> 01:12:23,155 - He called the man Mischka? - Oh, yes. 1123 01:12:23,362 --> 01:12:28,595 They said I was a Jew. I told them I was Roman Catholic. 1124 01:12:28,802 --> 01:12:32,192 - How old were you then? - I was 1 6. 1125 01:12:32,642 --> 01:12:34,951 Please continue, Mrs. Kalman. 1126 01:12:35,202 --> 01:12:38,751 They told me I was under arrest and put me in the car. 1127 01:12:38,962 --> 01:12:41,601 They drove over the bridge... 1128 01:12:41,802 --> 01:12:45,192 ...the Lanchid, and turned into the buildings and the riverbank. 1129 01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:47,199 - At least she had a chance. - Yeah. 1130 01:12:47,402 --> 01:12:50,792 They were quite friendly, actually, in the car. 1131 01:12:51,002 --> 01:12:52,993 They asked me about playing the piano. 1132 01:12:53,202 --> 01:12:56,592 They took me into the building... 1133 01:12:56,802 --> 01:12:58,758 ...into a little room. 1134 01:13:00,322 --> 01:13:05,237 There was nothing in the room but a mattress on the floor. 1135 01:13:06,562 --> 01:13:09,679 They told me to take my clothes off. 1136 01:13:09,882 --> 01:13:11,918 They told me to stand against the wall. 1137 01:13:12,122 --> 01:13:13,635 I started to cry. 1138 01:13:13,842 --> 01:13:16,561 I told them I was a virgin. They laughed. 1139 01:13:16,762 --> 01:13:19,834 Mischka said, "We will teach you to play us... 1140 01:13:21,122 --> 01:13:23,431 ...like you play the piano." 1141 01:13:25,162 --> 01:13:29,201 Mischka took out a revolver... 1142 01:13:29,962 --> 01:13:32,556 ...and he forced it into my mouth. 1143 01:13:34,682 --> 01:13:37,913 The other one tore my clothes. 1144 01:13:38,122 --> 01:13:40,192 He lighted a cigarette. 1145 01:13:41,282 --> 01:13:44,354 He put the cigarette against my.... 1146 01:13:46,682 --> 01:13:48,638 They took turns. 1147 01:13:49,402 --> 01:13:51,040 I passed out. 1148 01:13:51,242 --> 01:13:52,595 There were others... 1149 01:13:52,802 --> 01:13:58,115 ...men who came into the room and left and came back. 1150 01:13:58,322 --> 01:14:01,439 I lost track of time. 1151 01:14:02,202 --> 01:14:03,999 They burned me. 1152 01:14:05,002 --> 01:14:07,391 Someone took my picture. 1153 01:14:07,602 --> 01:14:10,435 The flash would awaken me. 1154 01:14:11,962 --> 01:14:16,080 Then, I don't know how much later... 1155 01:14:16,282 --> 01:14:18,637 ...it was Mischka again. 1156 01:14:18,842 --> 01:14:20,719 "Pig,"he said. 1157 01:14:20,962 --> 01:14:25,319 "You have learned to perform very well." 1158 01:14:25,522 --> 01:14:27,558 And he started again. 1159 01:14:27,802 --> 01:14:30,396 The other was there. He laughed. 1160 01:14:30,602 --> 01:14:34,072 They stood me up, they carried me outside. 1161 01:14:34,282 --> 01:14:38,673 It was cold. It was so cold. 1162 01:14:39,442 --> 01:14:43,640 On the ground, in the snow, there was a bayonet. 1163 01:14:44,962 --> 01:14:48,398 They told me to get down on my hands and feet... 1164 01:14:48,602 --> 01:14:51,912 ...over the bayonet. 1165 01:14:52,802 --> 01:14:55,600 They told me to exercise. 1166 01:14:56,642 --> 01:14:58,678 I heard them laugh. 1167 01:14:58,882 --> 01:15:00,600 Mischka said: 1168 01:15:00,842 --> 01:15:03,720 "A healthy body makes a healthy spirit." 1169 01:15:06,522 --> 01:15:09,673 The bayonet was at my stomach. 1170 01:15:10,682 --> 01:15:13,242 I pushed myself up... 1171 01:15:13,843 --> 01:15:15,595 ...once. 1172 01:15:17,683 --> 01:15:19,275 And then I fell. 1173 01:15:20,563 --> 01:15:22,599 I remember... 1174 01:15:22,803 --> 01:15:24,555 ...nothing else. 1175 01:15:25,403 --> 01:15:30,033 I was told I was found on the bank of the river. 1176 01:15:32,043 --> 01:15:34,113 Mrs. Kalman... 1177 01:15:34,523 --> 01:15:36,912 ...is this the man... 1178 01:15:38,243 --> 01:15:40,359 ...known to you as Mischka? 1179 01:15:40,563 --> 01:15:43,282 Yes. That... 1180 01:15:43,483 --> 01:15:45,235 ...is the man. 1181 01:15:46,083 --> 01:15:48,551 No further questions, Your Honour. 1182 01:15:48,763 --> 01:15:50,196 Your witness. 1183 01:15:58,003 --> 01:16:00,471 - No questions. - The government rests. 1184 01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:05,033 - Annie, what are you doing? - Stand up, Karchy. 1185 01:16:05,723 --> 01:16:07,315 It's not me. 1186 01:16:08,083 --> 01:16:10,597 It's not me, Annie. It's not me. I didn't do this. 1187 01:16:10,803 --> 01:16:13,078 - Papa. - It's not me. 1188 01:16:13,283 --> 01:16:14,602 I didn't do this to you. 1189 01:16:14,803 --> 01:16:17,761 I am not a beast. I am a father. I was a husband. 1190 01:16:17,963 --> 01:16:20,636 I loved my wife. My family. 1191 01:16:20,843 --> 01:16:22,834 - I couldn't do this to you! - Papa. 1192 01:16:23,883 --> 01:16:26,033 Yes, you are the beast. 1193 01:16:29,963 --> 01:16:31,601 This man didn't do this. 1194 01:16:31,803 --> 01:16:34,363 - It's not me! It's not me! - Come on now, Papa. 1195 01:16:34,563 --> 01:16:37,794 - Come on, Papa. - It's not me! It's not-- 1196 01:16:38,003 --> 01:16:40,437 - Pop! - Papa! Papa! 1197 01:16:40,643 --> 01:16:42,474 - Get back. - Pop! 1198 01:16:57,203 --> 01:17:00,639 I believe your father's had what we call acute anxiety reaction. 1199 01:17:00,843 --> 01:17:03,198 I understand he's been under a lot of stress lately. 1200 01:17:03,403 --> 01:17:07,635 Frankly, I don't know how much more pressure his system can take. 1201 01:17:08,283 --> 01:17:10,956 Mr. Laszlo, if you promise to go home and rest... 1202 01:17:11,163 --> 01:17:13,040 ...I'll let you go home. 1203 01:17:14,043 --> 01:17:15,795 Thanks, doctor. 1204 01:17:18,443 --> 01:17:21,674 - I want to talk to Annie, Karchy. - Why? 1205 01:17:23,403 --> 01:17:26,873 I understand, you wanna talk to your lawyer now. Fine. 1206 01:17:28,803 --> 01:17:30,361 Annie... 1207 01:17:30,603 --> 01:17:32,434 ...come here. 1208 01:17:37,523 --> 01:17:39,400 I know... 1209 01:17:39,603 --> 01:17:42,037 ...what you think, Annie. 1210 01:17:43,603 --> 01:17:45,878 Plenty things... 1211 01:17:47,003 --> 01:17:49,119 ...that makes it.... 1212 01:17:49,323 --> 01:17:51,518 It sound to you.... 1213 01:17:53,523 --> 01:17:54,751 I.... 1214 01:17:54,963 --> 01:17:57,272 I see your eyes, Annie. 1215 01:17:57,483 --> 01:18:01,032 And you've got to answer the question: 1216 01:18:01,243 --> 01:18:02,995 "Is this...? 1217 01:18:04,643 --> 01:18:06,395 This my father? 1218 01:18:07,123 --> 01:18:09,159 This beast?" 1219 01:18:10,003 --> 01:18:11,800 No, Papa. 1220 01:18:12,043 --> 01:18:13,522 No. 1221 01:18:14,683 --> 01:18:17,436 In your heart, Annie. 1222 01:18:17,643 --> 01:18:21,602 You got to answer the question. 1223 01:18:23,243 --> 01:18:25,473 - Come on, Papa. Let's go home now. - No. 1224 01:18:25,723 --> 01:18:29,318 I'm not going to hide anymore, Annie. 1225 01:18:29,523 --> 01:18:31,081 Come on. 1226 01:18:35,643 --> 01:18:38,476 - Grandpa. - Oh, Mikey. 1227 01:18:39,843 --> 01:18:42,437 - Hi, Dean. - Come on, let's go home now. 1228 01:18:42,643 --> 01:18:44,713 No, I'm going to my own home. 1229 01:18:44,923 --> 01:18:47,835 - No, Papa. - I don't care what happens to me. 1230 01:18:48,043 --> 01:18:49,840 I'm going home. 1231 01:18:53,643 --> 01:18:56,999 Tibor Zoldan was killed by a hit-and-run driver. 1232 01:18:58,083 --> 01:18:59,880 I don't care. 1233 01:19:00,803 --> 01:19:02,156 For nine months... 1234 01:19:02,883 --> 01:19:07,718 ...from the time he wrote this guy that $2000 check three years ago-- 1235 01:19:07,923 --> 01:19:09,914 I don't care. 1236 01:19:11,203 --> 01:19:13,842 - -Mike's monthly cash spending... 1237 01:19:14,043 --> 01:19:18,434 ...ran $1 000 over what it always had. 1238 01:19:18,643 --> 01:19:21,362 It stopped running over the month this guy got run over. 1239 01:19:21,564 --> 01:19:23,680 Stop it! 1240 01:19:25,004 --> 01:19:27,393 He is not a monster. 1241 01:19:27,604 --> 01:19:32,075 I'm his daughter. I know him better than anyone. 1242 01:20:38,844 --> 01:20:41,597 - All right. - That's beautiful. 1243 01:20:44,604 --> 01:20:46,674 All right, Mikey, make a wish. 1244 01:20:53,964 --> 01:20:55,841 Happy birthday. 1245 01:21:00,204 --> 01:21:03,401 - Is it really mine? - It sure is. 1246 01:21:08,204 --> 01:21:11,514 Mischka, help teach our grandson how to run a train. 1247 01:21:12,204 --> 01:21:14,593 You people have a lot of experience running trains. 1248 01:21:14,804 --> 01:21:17,443 I can't believe he's 1 2 already. 1249 01:21:17,644 --> 01:21:20,442 Let him come to the trial. He keeps asking me about it. 1250 01:21:20,644 --> 01:21:22,077 No. 1251 01:21:22,324 --> 01:21:24,758 His friends talk, he sees it on TV, he wants to know. 1252 01:21:25,004 --> 01:21:27,438 Well, I'll explain it all to him. 1253 01:21:27,644 --> 01:21:31,398 He wants to know for himself, Ann. It's called growing up. 1254 01:21:37,004 --> 01:21:39,564 - You should let him go to the trial. - No. He's too young. 1255 01:21:39,764 --> 01:21:41,402 It wouldn't hurt to have him there. 1256 01:21:41,604 --> 01:21:43,401 Especially after that woman's testimony. 1257 01:21:43,604 --> 01:21:46,835 - Can they go faster? - Well, I'm not gonna use him. 1258 01:21:47,804 --> 01:21:51,353 I'd look at it as letting him do something that he wants to do. 1259 01:21:51,604 --> 01:21:55,199 - I'm not that cynical. - Oh, yes, you are. 1260 01:21:55,404 --> 01:21:57,474 You're a lawyer, like me. 1261 01:22:00,884 --> 01:22:03,444 Did you really drink whiskey with Klaus Barbie? 1262 01:22:03,684 --> 01:22:07,120 No. I drank with a lot of others like him though. 1263 01:22:07,324 --> 01:22:10,919 I was an intelligence officer. I interrogated war prisoners. 1264 01:22:11,124 --> 01:22:13,001 What do you think happened after the war? 1265 01:22:13,204 --> 01:22:15,160 The Communists were Satan's army on earth. 1266 01:22:15,364 --> 01:22:17,958 They were our allies. We weren't prepared to spy on them. 1267 01:22:18,724 --> 01:22:21,522 Nazis are the best anti-Communist spy apparatus in the world. 1268 01:22:21,724 --> 01:22:23,396 We needed them. We used them. 1269 01:22:23,604 --> 01:22:26,755 If the Communists haven't taken over, it's because we did a good job. 1270 01:22:26,964 --> 01:22:28,602 We were right to use them. 1271 01:22:29,044 --> 01:22:31,683 So you really did drink with those monsters. 1272 01:22:32,284 --> 01:22:35,321 None of the men I knew were monsters. 1273 01:22:36,404 --> 01:22:39,237 They were all salt-of-the-earth types. 1274 01:22:39,444 --> 01:22:42,356 Like your old man. Yep? 1275 01:22:42,884 --> 01:22:44,602 Georgine. 1276 01:22:45,964 --> 01:22:47,443 Yeah. 1277 01:22:51,724 --> 01:22:53,316 Okay, thanks. 1278 01:22:59,724 --> 01:23:02,443 The forensic man says the ID card is authentic. 1279 01:23:02,644 --> 01:23:04,236 I know. 1280 01:23:04,444 --> 01:23:08,596 I still have friends in Washington with money, old-fashioned values. 1281 01:23:09,604 --> 01:23:13,074 We're dead, Harry. This case is over. 1282 01:23:13,284 --> 01:23:16,356 - That woman spitting on him-- - Courtroom theatrics. 1283 01:23:16,564 --> 01:23:18,794 You know all about that. 1284 01:23:19,404 --> 01:23:24,000 - I don't know how to fight this. - I thought you never needed help. 1285 01:23:24,364 --> 01:23:26,434 Can you help me? 1286 01:23:29,484 --> 01:23:32,999 Do you know anything about harlequins, my dear? 1287 01:23:34,205 --> 01:23:36,002 All rise. 1288 01:23:42,885 --> 01:23:44,318 Okay. 1289 01:23:44,725 --> 01:23:47,922 - Please be seated. - All right, sit down. 1290 01:23:48,565 --> 01:23:53,241 - Mrs. Talbot, call your first witness. - We call Vladimir Kostav. 1291 01:23:53,445 --> 01:23:56,357 Your Honour, counsel gave this name two days ago. 1292 01:23:56,605 --> 01:23:58,516 No statement. I don't know why he's called. 1293 01:23:58,725 --> 01:24:01,239 - May we approach? - Yes. 1294 01:24:03,565 --> 01:24:06,204 Kostav is a reluctant witness, just subpoenaed. 1295 01:24:06,405 --> 01:24:07,884 We've only known for two days. 1296 01:24:09,685 --> 01:24:11,562 - What are they doing? - They go up there... 1297 01:24:11,765 --> 01:24:14,882 ...so that we can't hear. It's a private argument. 1298 01:24:15,125 --> 01:24:17,116 He's under federal protection. 1299 01:24:17,325 --> 01:24:21,523 How did you find an ex-KGB ClA consultant? 1300 01:24:21,725 --> 01:24:24,683 And, Your Honour, I fail to see what he has to do with this case. 1301 01:24:24,885 --> 01:24:27,274 It concerns exhibit number one. 1302 01:24:27,485 --> 01:24:28,713 No statement? 1303 01:24:29,325 --> 01:24:31,202 That's fair turnaround. 1304 01:24:31,405 --> 01:24:34,317 - You can call your witness. - Thank you. 1305 01:24:36,325 --> 01:24:40,796 Mr. Kostav, when did you defect to the United States? 1306 01:24:41,005 --> 01:24:42,324 Two years ago. 1307 01:24:42,525 --> 01:24:45,915 - And where did you reside previously? - In Moscow. 1308 01:24:46,125 --> 01:24:47,683 And what was your occupation there? 1309 01:24:48,645 --> 01:24:53,924 I was a lieutenant colonel, counterintelligence section, KGB. 1310 01:24:55,405 --> 01:25:01,594 While you were with the KGB, were you familiar with Operation Harlequin? 1311 01:25:02,365 --> 01:25:05,914 - Yes, I was. - What was Operation Harlequin? 1312 01:25:06,525 --> 01:25:10,518 It was programmed to annihilate the character of those living in the West... 1313 01:25:10,725 --> 01:25:15,241 ...enemies of socialist state, by means of falsified documents. 1314 01:25:15,445 --> 01:25:17,003 Here we go. 1315 01:25:17,205 --> 01:25:19,355 And how was that put into effect? 1316 01:25:19,565 --> 01:25:24,844 Group of scientists were put into special department in Moscow... 1317 01:25:25,645 --> 01:25:30,196 ...to scientifically devise ways to forge documents in such manner that... 1318 01:25:30,405 --> 01:25:33,283 ...no amount of analysis would reveal its falsity. 1319 01:25:33,485 --> 01:25:35,521 - Did they succeed? - Oh, yes. 1320 01:25:36,445 --> 01:25:41,394 And were such forged documents used by the KGB against someone? 1321 01:25:41,605 --> 01:25:44,756 To my personal knowledge, they were used against... 1322 01:25:44,965 --> 01:25:47,559 ...television commentator in West Germany. 1323 01:25:48,005 --> 01:25:51,202 And what was the forged document used in this case? 1324 01:25:51,445 --> 01:25:55,074 It was an Einsatz commander identification card. 1325 01:25:55,605 --> 01:25:57,675 - Einsatz commander exterminated... - I told you. 1326 01:25:57,885 --> 01:25:59,318 ...the Jews and gypsies. 1327 01:25:59,525 --> 01:26:02,995 German courts accepted the card as authentic. 1328 01:26:03,245 --> 01:26:05,201 What happened to that man? 1329 01:26:06,565 --> 01:26:08,044 He commit suicide. 1330 01:26:10,085 --> 01:26:12,155 Mr. Kostav... 1331 01:26:12,365 --> 01:26:17,564 ...do you personally know if the KGB shared... 1332 01:26:17,765 --> 01:26:20,233 ...this forged document expertise... 1333 01:26:20,445 --> 01:26:23,118 ...with security agencies of other Communist countries? 1334 01:26:23,965 --> 01:26:25,239 Yes. 1335 01:26:25,605 --> 01:26:27,721 Did you share it with the Hungarians? 1336 01:26:28,805 --> 01:26:32,195 Hungarians showed a great interest in Harlequin. 1337 01:26:32,885 --> 01:26:36,321 Thank you. No further questions. 1338 01:26:36,525 --> 01:26:38,243 Your witness. 1339 01:26:39,045 --> 01:26:42,162 Your Honour, in light of the new testimony... 1340 01:26:42,365 --> 01:26:43,764 ...may we adjourn? 1341 01:26:44,725 --> 01:26:48,604 The New York Times called, 60 Minutes wants to talk to you... 1342 01:26:48,805 --> 01:26:50,523 ...and Georgine called. 1343 01:26:50,725 --> 01:26:53,364 - Thanks, Mrs. Cooper. - You're welcome. 1344 01:26:53,965 --> 01:26:56,559 Judge Silver called. He wants to see you right away. 1345 01:26:57,285 --> 01:27:01,039 The government has uncovered a witness who allegedly served... 1346 01:27:01,245 --> 01:27:03,679 ...with your client in the gendarmes. 1347 01:27:04,405 --> 01:27:08,239 - Another surprise. - He's in Budapest. 1348 01:27:08,445 --> 01:27:10,720 He's terminally ill and unable to travel. 1349 01:27:10,925 --> 01:27:15,362 We will hear his testimony in Budapest. It will all be at government expense. 1350 01:27:15,565 --> 01:27:17,874 Your client's expenses will be covered as well... 1351 01:27:18,125 --> 01:27:20,639 ...if he decides to come with us. 1352 01:27:22,565 --> 01:27:25,363 - I will never go back to Budapest. - You don't have to go. 1353 01:27:25,565 --> 01:27:28,398 - I have to go. - I can't go. 1354 01:27:28,605 --> 01:27:32,484 We get the KGB guy, he says "Card is fake"... 1355 01:27:32,685 --> 01:27:34,915 ...they suddenly get a witness. 1356 01:27:38,005 --> 01:27:41,156 You will never learn it. The grease has to be gold. 1357 01:27:41,366 --> 01:27:43,834 You learned it when you were 8. 1358 01:27:49,926 --> 01:27:52,042 If I go, they'll kill me. 1359 01:27:52,286 --> 01:27:57,041 They'll put something in the food, or maybe I'll have an accident. 1360 01:27:57,246 --> 01:28:00,716 - Papa, that's paranoid. - It's not paranoia. 1361 01:28:00,926 --> 01:28:03,042 They do all this, Annie. 1362 01:28:03,326 --> 01:28:05,157 Be careful. 1363 01:28:07,166 --> 01:28:09,726 I can't win without you, Annie. 1364 01:28:09,926 --> 01:28:11,484 I know that. 1365 01:28:11,726 --> 01:28:14,479 Don't worry about nothing, okay? I'll take care of Pop. 1366 01:28:14,686 --> 01:28:17,962 Maybe me and the guys will get together and take him to the bar. 1367 01:28:18,166 --> 01:28:21,636 - Jesus, Karchy, he's had a heart attack. - Well, we'll take him bowling. 1368 01:28:21,846 --> 01:28:23,723 - How's that? - Yeah. 1369 01:28:24,846 --> 01:28:26,598 - What are you doing here? - Hi, Karchy. 1370 01:28:26,806 --> 01:28:29,604 Ann, can I speak with you for a moment? 1371 01:28:29,806 --> 01:28:31,239 What? 1372 01:28:32,166 --> 01:28:33,997 Take it and read it. 1373 01:28:34,206 --> 01:28:36,037 - What is it? - Read it on the plane. 1374 01:28:36,246 --> 01:28:39,602 Tibor Zoldan's sister lives in Budapest. That's her address. 1375 01:28:39,806 --> 01:28:41,956 Ann, wait. 1376 01:28:42,366 --> 01:28:47,520 It feels like Tibor Zoldan was blackmailing your father. 1377 01:28:48,806 --> 01:28:52,321 Good afternoon. Welcome to American Airlines Flight 38... 1378 01:28:52,526 --> 01:28:54,676 -...nonstop service to Zurich. - Hi, how are you? 1379 01:28:54,886 --> 01:28:58,481 At this time, we ask that all passengers board through the Gate 3 doorway. 1380 01:28:58,686 --> 01:29:00,165 Thank you. 1381 01:29:28,566 --> 01:29:30,318 - Mrs. Ann Talbot? - Yes. 1382 01:29:42,566 --> 01:29:44,761 Have you ever been to Hungary before? 1383 01:29:45,006 --> 01:29:46,962 - No. - It's a beautiful country. You'd like. 1384 01:29:48,486 --> 01:29:52,957 Have nice, big suite at hotel. We checked, everything in order. 1385 01:29:53,966 --> 01:29:58,437 - Do you work for the government? - No. I told you, Bayar Tourist Agency. 1386 01:29:58,646 --> 01:30:02,036 Nobody likes working for the government. No money. 1387 01:30:05,526 --> 01:30:09,041 Tomorrow at 8:00, we go to Fo K�rh�z Hospital. 1388 01:30:11,046 --> 01:30:13,037 Do you speak Hungarian? 1389 01:30:13,486 --> 01:30:17,081 - Not very well. - You'll get better. 1390 01:30:40,286 --> 01:30:43,403 - Yes? - Madam Laszlo? 1391 01:30:43,606 --> 01:30:45,085 Talbot. 1392 01:30:45,286 --> 01:30:47,641 You like marzipans, madam? 1393 01:30:49,846 --> 01:30:51,916 Wait just one minute. 1394 01:30:55,966 --> 01:30:57,718 Thank you. 1395 01:30:58,686 --> 01:31:00,881 - Do you work with the hotel? - No, madam. 1396 01:31:01,086 --> 01:31:04,965 There are some people here too. We believe your father innocent. 1397 01:31:05,166 --> 01:31:08,078 This trial is bad for everybody, here and there. 1398 01:31:08,286 --> 01:31:10,356 - Who are you? - Governments not understand such. 1399 01:31:10,566 --> 01:31:12,124 - Who are you? - That's not important. 1400 01:31:12,326 --> 01:31:14,123 I hope you will find them very sweet. 1401 01:31:14,326 --> 01:31:17,557 - Wait a minute. Please. - Try them. 1402 01:32:04,887 --> 01:32:06,320 United States v. Laszlo... 1403 01:32:06,567 --> 01:32:10,162 ...number 89-CM-22-80, proceedings resumed... 1404 01:32:10,687 --> 01:32:14,043 ...at the Fo K�rh�z in Budapest, Hungary. Counsel may proceed. 1405 01:32:14,247 --> 01:32:17,444 Your Honour, I move to bar this witness as inherently unreliable... 1406 01:32:17,687 --> 01:32:23,080 ...and ask here to put four questions to him regarding his reliability. 1407 01:32:23,287 --> 01:32:26,040 Objection, Your Honour. He's my witness. 1408 01:32:26,247 --> 01:32:30,001 - Ask four questions. - Thank you, Your Honour. 1409 01:32:34,047 --> 01:32:36,083 - Mr. Burke. - Thank you. 1410 01:32:36,287 --> 01:32:37,515 What is your name? 1411 01:32:40,327 --> 01:32:43,000 - Pal Horvath. - Is this your signature? 1412 01:32:46,927 --> 01:32:48,758 Yes, this is my signature. 1413 01:32:48,967 --> 01:32:52,198 Mr. Horvath, on April 1 5th, 1 952... 1414 01:32:52,847 --> 01:32:56,681 ...you swore in an affidavit to the Hungarian security police... 1415 01:32:56,887 --> 01:33:01,403 ...that a man, a Michael Zanavi, was the Mischka... 1416 01:33:01,607 --> 01:33:04,883 ...who committed war crimes at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1417 01:33:06,927 --> 01:33:08,406 No, I didn't. 1418 01:33:08,607 --> 01:33:10,882 And on November 1 8th, 1 97 3... 1419 01:33:11,087 --> 01:33:15,319 ...you again swore in another affidavit to the Hungarian security police... 1420 01:33:15,567 --> 01:33:18,923 ...that Michael Bato was the Mischka... 1421 01:33:19,167 --> 01:33:22,796 ...who committed war crimes at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1422 01:33:26,367 --> 01:33:28,164 I don't know what you are talking about. 1423 01:33:28,367 --> 01:33:29,846 Your Honour... 1424 01:33:30,767 --> 01:33:34,840 ...I have here copies of both Mr. Horvath's... 1425 01:33:36,447 --> 01:33:41,726 ...affidavits identifying these other men as Mischka. 1426 01:33:42,727 --> 01:33:46,037 May the translator read these into the record in English? 1427 01:33:46,247 --> 01:33:47,805 Yes. 1428 01:33:51,807 --> 01:33:53,604 "I have no doubt in my mind... 1429 01:33:53,807 --> 01:33:58,403 ...that the man I saw commit these crimes was Michael Bato." 1430 01:33:58,607 --> 01:34:04,443 Signed, "November the 1 8th, 1 97 3. Pal Horvath." 1431 01:34:04,647 --> 01:34:06,956 - Did you know of these affidavits? - I did not. 1432 01:34:07,167 --> 01:34:10,398 - How did you find this witness? - The Hungarian authorities notified us. 1433 01:34:10,607 --> 01:34:13,326 Apparently, Mr. Horvath told his doctor... 1434 01:34:13,527 --> 01:34:16,837 ...and the following day, he picked Michael Laszlo out of a photo spread. 1435 01:34:17,047 --> 01:34:19,720 If I could get these, why couldn't the government? 1436 01:34:19,927 --> 01:34:22,646 We don't have access to Hungarian security files. 1437 01:34:22,847 --> 01:34:26,157 The Hungarians are cooperating with Mr. Burke, not with me. 1438 01:34:26,367 --> 01:34:29,916 They must've known about these affidavits. They were in their files. 1439 01:34:30,127 --> 01:34:32,721 We are fortunate some honest people... 1440 01:34:32,927 --> 01:34:34,519 ...sent these affidavits to me. 1441 01:34:34,727 --> 01:34:37,366 I think that's absurd, Your Honour. This man-- 1442 01:34:37,807 --> 01:34:40,275 He wasn't investigated by the Hungarian authorities. 1443 01:34:40,487 --> 01:34:43,524 He came by his own free will, and they turned him over to us. 1444 01:34:43,967 --> 01:34:45,639 There's no conspiracy here. 1445 01:34:50,207 --> 01:34:52,846 - What did he say? - I have no doubt in my mind... 1446 01:34:53,047 --> 01:34:55,242 ...that it is Laszlo. 1447 01:34:58,247 --> 01:35:00,761 The motion to bar is granted. 1448 01:35:00,967 --> 01:35:04,596 We've all come a long way at substantial government expense. 1449 01:35:04,807 --> 01:35:06,798 Both money and time have been wasted. 1450 01:35:07,007 --> 01:35:10,716 - Your Honour, I'd like more time-- - I'm not finished, Mr. Burke. 1451 01:35:10,927 --> 01:35:13,964 You have yet to show me enough evidence Michael Laszlo committed... 1452 01:35:14,167 --> 01:35:15,520 ...these heinous crimes. 1453 01:35:15,727 --> 01:35:19,163 Your Honour, he lied on his application for immigration, and he admits it. 1454 01:35:19,367 --> 01:35:22,404 - That's what he's being charged with. - Don't make this worse. 1455 01:35:22,607 --> 01:35:27,123 You know you have to show more than a lie about being in the gendarmes. 1456 01:35:27,367 --> 01:35:28,959 I move for dismissal, Your Honour. 1457 01:35:29,687 --> 01:35:32,599 The motion is taken under advisement. We are adjourned. 1458 01:35:38,167 --> 01:35:39,998 I just wanna tell you.... 1459 01:35:40,247 --> 01:35:43,683 I just wanna tell you I think you'll probably win this case. 1460 01:35:43,887 --> 01:35:48,244 Or you'll drag it out for years, which amounts to the same thing. 1461 01:35:48,447 --> 01:35:50,438 But tell me... 1462 01:35:50,647 --> 01:35:53,798 ...aren't you a little suspicious about all this new evidence... 1463 01:35:54,007 --> 01:35:58,762 - ...that just falls into your lap? - You just can't give it up, can you? 1464 01:35:58,967 --> 01:36:02,039 Why do you wanna punish him? He did nothing. 1465 01:36:02,248 --> 01:36:05,206 You really think I give a damn about punishing an old man? 1466 01:36:05,408 --> 01:36:09,242 I don't have vengeance in my heart, but I'll tell you what I do care about. 1467 01:36:09,448 --> 01:36:11,166 I care about remembering. 1468 01:36:11,368 --> 01:36:15,122 It's too late to change what happened, but it's never too late to remember it. 1469 01:36:15,328 --> 01:36:18,764 The case is over, Jack. You don't have to argue it anymore. 1470 01:36:18,968 --> 01:36:21,801 You can't tell me after everything said in this trial... 1471 01:36:22,008 --> 01:36:24,283 ...you don't have any doubts about your father. 1472 01:36:24,528 --> 01:36:25,881 I don't have time for this. 1473 01:36:26,088 --> 01:36:28,556 Our country has always tried to be a haven... 1474 01:36:28,768 --> 01:36:30,486 ...for those who have been persecuted. 1475 01:36:30,688 --> 01:36:33,202 And after the war, we let in thousands of its victims. 1476 01:36:33,408 --> 01:36:36,241 But unfortunately we also let in some of the executioners. 1477 01:36:36,488 --> 01:36:38,365 The war was almost over. 1478 01:36:38,568 --> 01:36:42,322 We were in Germany, and the Russians were crossing the Hungarian border. 1479 01:36:42,528 --> 01:36:45,600 But the Hungarians were still killing their Jews. 1480 01:36:45,808 --> 01:36:49,118 They turned the fucking romantic Danube into their own shade of blue. 1481 01:36:49,328 --> 01:36:51,842 - That's what was happening. - Some Hungarians. 1482 01:36:52,048 --> 01:36:54,403 Not my father! 1483 01:36:56,288 --> 01:36:58,677 Maybe you should go down to the riverbank, Ann... 1484 01:36:58,888 --> 01:37:01,277 ...and look into the water. 1485 01:37:02,088 --> 01:37:04,318 Maybe you'll see your face. 1486 01:37:10,968 --> 01:37:13,880 You like chocolate, Madam Laszlo? 1487 01:37:14,968 --> 01:37:17,721 You like chocolate, no, Madam Laszlo? 1488 01:37:17,928 --> 01:37:19,646 Thank you. 1489 01:37:24,528 --> 01:37:27,520 - What bridge is this? - Lanchid. 1490 01:37:27,768 --> 01:37:29,804 In English, "chain bridge." 1491 01:37:32,128 --> 01:37:35,803 Can you ask him to pull over? I wanna take a walk. 1492 01:39:36,768 --> 01:39:38,838 Zoldan, Magda? 1493 01:40:53,129 --> 01:40:54,847 Chicago. 1494 01:43:29,009 --> 01:43:30,761 Can I help you? 1495 01:43:34,689 --> 01:43:36,884 Jesus Christ, lady. 1496 01:43:37,089 --> 01:43:39,523 It took you a while to come back. 1497 01:44:06,129 --> 01:44:08,199 Perfect condition. 1498 01:44:08,409 --> 01:44:10,445 Two-thirty-six even. 1499 01:47:32,450 --> 01:47:35,601 Annie, I'm trying to call you. What's going on? 1500 01:47:46,610 --> 01:47:48,407 Can I speak with Mikey? 1501 01:47:53,410 --> 01:47:55,048 Mikey. 1502 01:47:58,650 --> 01:47:59,844 No, I-- 1503 01:48:00,050 --> 01:48:02,200 I just got home. 1504 01:48:03,970 --> 01:48:05,449 How are you, Mikey? 1505 01:48:07,490 --> 01:48:10,163 No, I'll come by first thing in the morning. 1506 01:48:10,410 --> 01:48:14,323 Keep your heels down and keep your hands down. 1507 01:48:15,370 --> 01:48:18,203 And keep him going, keep him going. 1508 01:48:19,610 --> 01:48:21,202 Look forward. 1509 01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:23,128 Boy, that's good. 1510 01:48:25,610 --> 01:48:29,205 Yeah, I like it very much. Sit straight. That's good. 1511 01:48:31,291 --> 01:48:33,168 Hey, you. 1512 01:48:34,291 --> 01:48:36,282 Good to have you back. Good to have you back. 1513 01:48:36,491 --> 01:48:40,325 You did it, kid. You sliced some nuts. You did it. 1514 01:48:40,531 --> 01:48:43,887 - Hey, what's the matter? Come on. - Ask Mikey to come in the house. 1515 01:48:44,091 --> 01:48:45,444 - He's right out back. - Get him. 1516 01:48:45,651 --> 01:48:47,528 - Harry brought some reporters. - Get Mikey. 1517 01:48:47,731 --> 01:48:50,086 Tell him to come in the house. I have to talk to him. 1518 01:48:50,291 --> 01:48:52,122 - Annie, come on. - Go on, Karchy, get him. 1519 01:48:52,931 --> 01:48:54,842 Hey! No, no. This way. 1520 01:48:55,091 --> 01:48:59,004 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Thank you all for coming. 1521 01:48:59,211 --> 01:49:00,724 Sorry it's not a prettier day. 1522 01:49:00,931 --> 01:49:03,889 As you know, since you've been reporting it... 1523 01:49:04,091 --> 01:49:08,050 ...we can consider this absurd case to be over. 1524 01:49:08,251 --> 01:49:12,688 - Mom. - Oh, Mikey, I missed you so much. 1525 01:49:14,331 --> 01:49:16,447 lsn't it great? About Grandpa? 1526 01:49:16,651 --> 01:49:19,882 - I told you he didn't do anything. - Come on, honey, let's go home. 1527 01:49:20,091 --> 01:49:21,649 Grandpa Talbot got me a pony. 1528 01:49:21,851 --> 01:49:23,967 - I know. Come on. Let's go home. - Come see him. 1529 01:49:24,171 --> 01:49:27,049 - Please, Mikey, come on. - Come on, Mom. 1530 01:49:27,251 --> 01:49:29,685 - -energy and money that's been expended by the.... 1531 01:49:29,891 --> 01:49:32,007 You go on ahead, I'll come out. 1532 01:49:32,211 --> 01:49:33,439 Hurry up. 1533 01:49:33,651 --> 01:49:36,723 I think the American taxpayer has legitimate questions... 1534 01:49:36,931 --> 01:49:40,401 ...as to how his money's been spent in this case. 1535 01:49:42,691 --> 01:49:46,604 Well, personally I think it is an official lynching... 1536 01:49:46,811 --> 01:49:48,688 ...that's been choreographed by the KGB. 1537 01:49:48,891 --> 01:49:51,564 If it's not, it's a very good imitation. 1538 01:49:52,771 --> 01:49:56,002 What's the matter? Annie, what's the matter? 1539 01:49:56,211 --> 01:49:59,487 - I know, Papa. - Annie, we won. The trial's over. 1540 01:49:59,691 --> 01:50:02,159 - The judge dismissed the charges. - I know everything. 1541 01:50:02,371 --> 01:50:05,249 Oh, Annie, we won. The trial's over. We won. 1542 01:50:05,451 --> 01:50:08,727 - Harry says we are going to sue. - It was you, Papa. 1543 01:50:08,931 --> 01:50:10,762 You killed them all. 1544 01:50:10,971 --> 01:50:13,201 I saw those photos. 1545 01:50:13,771 --> 01:50:15,762 It was you, Papa. 1546 01:50:19,171 --> 01:50:22,641 You killed that boy in front of his father. 1547 01:50:22,851 --> 01:50:26,002 You raped that woman, you threw their bodies in the Duna. 1548 01:50:26,211 --> 01:50:29,408 I went to see that place, Papa. 1549 01:50:33,051 --> 01:50:36,487 The man's son was 7 years old. 1550 01:50:37,291 --> 01:50:42,843 He was only 7 years old! He was 7 years old! 1551 01:50:43,491 --> 01:50:45,561 You shot him in the head. 1552 01:50:45,771 --> 01:50:47,523 You shot them all in the head. 1553 01:50:47,731 --> 01:50:50,291 You were that beast. 1554 01:50:52,131 --> 01:50:57,763 You shot that boy in the head when he was crying over his dead mother. 1555 01:50:57,971 --> 01:51:00,246 You hurt all those people. 1556 01:51:00,451 --> 01:51:03,568 Oh, God, what are we gonna do? 1557 01:51:06,171 --> 01:51:09,402 Tell me. What photos? 1558 01:51:14,971 --> 01:51:18,122 Tibor Zoldan was blackmailing you. 1559 01:51:18,331 --> 01:51:21,846 - No, he was a friend. - I saw the scar. 1560 01:51:22,051 --> 01:51:25,009 - From the refugee camp. - I saw the scar, Papa. 1561 01:51:26,611 --> 01:51:29,045 - The scar? - The scar running down his face... 1562 01:51:29,251 --> 01:51:31,526 ...just like they all said. 1563 01:51:32,251 --> 01:51:34,765 I went to see his sister. 1564 01:51:39,691 --> 01:51:42,489 How could you do those things, Papa? 1565 01:51:43,771 --> 01:51:48,003 Why did you do this to us? To Mikey? 1566 01:51:50,091 --> 01:51:51,729 Papa... 1567 01:51:51,931 --> 01:51:53,364 ...why? 1568 01:51:53,771 --> 01:51:55,409 Answer me. 1569 01:51:56,411 --> 01:52:00,802 I need you to answer me. Answer me, Papa. 1570 01:52:02,131 --> 01:52:04,167 I love you. 1571 01:52:04,411 --> 01:52:06,606 I love you too. 1572 01:52:07,691 --> 01:52:10,649 What happened to you? 1573 01:52:15,931 --> 01:52:19,048 What did the Communists do to you? 1574 01:52:31,651 --> 01:52:34,290 I don't ever wanna see you again, Papa. 1575 01:52:34,491 --> 01:52:36,925 I don't want Mikey... 1576 01:52:37,131 --> 01:52:39,361 ...to ever see you again. 1577 01:52:39,572 --> 01:52:42,245 - You can't do this. - I can do it. 1578 01:52:42,812 --> 01:52:45,246 You don't exist. 1579 01:52:45,772 --> 01:52:47,763 You can't do that. 1580 01:52:49,692 --> 01:52:52,923 Papa, you don't know how much I'm gonna miss you. 1581 01:52:54,132 --> 01:52:55,690 Annie. 1582 01:52:55,892 --> 01:52:59,168 Annie! He's my boy! My son! 1583 01:52:59,372 --> 01:53:02,170 You don't have a grandson! 1584 01:53:03,812 --> 01:53:07,566 You gonna tell Mikey this garbage? 1585 01:53:07,772 --> 01:53:10,809 You gonna poison his mind like they poisoned you? 1586 01:53:12,892 --> 01:53:16,089 You're like a stranger! You say those things. 1587 01:53:16,292 --> 01:53:19,489 You tell him anything you want. 1588 01:53:19,692 --> 01:53:21,887 Mikey is not gonna believe you. 1589 01:53:22,132 --> 01:53:24,362 Nobody is gonna believe you. 1590 01:53:24,572 --> 01:53:27,370 They are gonna say you're crazy. 1591 01:53:28,412 --> 01:53:31,324 Why can't you try to say the truth? 1592 01:53:32,492 --> 01:53:34,084 The truth? 1593 01:53:35,732 --> 01:53:37,848 Something happened... 1594 01:53:38,052 --> 01:53:40,088 ...to your mind, Annie. 1595 01:53:44,252 --> 01:53:47,289 I have friends here... 1596 01:53:47,812 --> 01:53:49,803 ...and there. 1597 01:53:50,012 --> 01:53:52,401 And believe me... 1598 01:53:52,612 --> 01:53:55,331 ...you will know the truth. 1599 01:53:56,412 --> 01:53:58,562 I am not this beast. 1600 01:53:58,772 --> 01:54:00,125 No. 1601 01:54:02,092 --> 01:54:03,366 Mikey! 1602 01:54:04,972 --> 01:54:06,610 Mikey! 1603 01:54:06,812 --> 01:54:10,282 - -persecute an honest man and citizen... 1604 01:54:10,532 --> 01:54:15,003 ...a family man like Michael Laszlo, all in the name of stamping out racism. 1605 01:54:15,492 --> 01:54:18,962 One, two, three. Up. 1606 01:54:19,852 --> 01:54:23,401 I think it's time that we stopped trying to appease... 1607 01:54:23,612 --> 01:54:27,207 ...a liberal New York-Washington lobby and concentrate on the future... 1608 01:54:27,412 --> 01:54:28,765 ...not on the past. 1609 01:54:28,972 --> 01:54:32,442 Let's worry about the grandsons, not the grandfathers. 1610 01:54:32,652 --> 01:54:36,122 Now go, Mikey, go! Go! Yeah. 1611 01:54:36,332 --> 01:54:38,004 Good! 1612 01:54:38,212 --> 01:54:40,646 Go forward. 1613 01:54:41,172 --> 01:54:42,605 That's good. 1614 01:54:42,812 --> 01:54:45,007 Yeah, Mikey, that's good! 126753

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