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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,581 --> 00:00:50,549 [Dotcom] It's really like a Hollywood script. That's how I see it. 2 00:00:51,651 --> 00:00:53,385 This whole thing is a live movie 3 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:56,688 that's playing out for, like, four and half years already, 4 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:58,323 and I'm the main act. 5 00:01:01,561 --> 00:01:03,495 Ridiculous. 6 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:06,765 [Annie] So what about the notion of being innocent until proven guilty? 7 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,234 Yeah, exactly, where did that go? 8 00:01:09,269 --> 00:01:10,469 You know? 9 00:01:10,504 --> 00:01:13,171 Guilty until we say he's guilty, 10 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:14,706 you know, which is now. 11 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:16,308 I mean, it's crazy. 12 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:21,447 [indistinct murmuring through radio] 13 00:01:28,455 --> 00:01:31,223 [birds chirping] 14 00:01:49,476 --> 00:01:52,111 [ducks quacking] 15 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,827 [horse whinnying] 16 00:02:17,404 --> 00:02:20,772 [Alan] As local people, we just knew there was a very large house. 17 00:02:22,442 --> 00:02:24,576 Because the house itself was not easily seen, 18 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:26,344 it became more noticeable 19 00:02:26,379 --> 00:02:27,890 when they started building the stone wall, 20 00:02:27,914 --> 00:02:29,481 which pretty much surrounds it. 21 00:02:32,686 --> 00:02:34,530 [France] And there were all sorts of rumors about 22 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:35,787 who was gonna move into it, 23 00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:39,724 and our favorite one was that it was Tom Cruise 24 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,494 who was gonna put a Scientology center there. 25 00:02:42,529 --> 00:02:44,429 We thought that would be kind of exciting. 26 00:02:44,464 --> 00:02:46,231 [electronic beeping] 27 00:02:48,802 --> 00:02:52,237 [computer keys clacking] 28 00:02:58,712 --> 00:03:01,746 [Alan] This person turned up who had changed his name to Dotcom, 29 00:03:01,781 --> 00:03:04,549 and we just thought, well, that was fascinating, 30 00:03:04,584 --> 00:03:06,284 but otherwise, I mean, 31 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:08,319 it's not as if we saw him walking along the street. 32 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:13,858 [Wendy] Then the cameras went up. 33 00:03:13,893 --> 00:03:15,972 I don't know whether there were listening devices on the end, 34 00:03:15,996 --> 00:03:17,662 but I always wondered 35 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:21,533 whether we were being listened to or watched. 36 00:03:21,568 --> 00:03:23,502 It didn't mesh very well with the community. 37 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:28,552 And then, there was a little bit more digging into the background. 38 00:03:33,847 --> 00:03:36,682 And then it was, "Oh, my God, who's just landed in Coatesville?" 39 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,521 So I started looking into who our new neighbor was gonna be, 40 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:45,591 and I went onto all sorts of websites. 41 00:03:52,465 --> 00:03:55,734 And the more I looked into it, the more frightened I became 42 00:03:55,769 --> 00:03:59,337 of what kind of person was gonna be coming into our community. 43 00:03:59,372 --> 00:04:01,840 [indistinct murmuring] 44 00:04:01,875 --> 00:04:06,378 [computer keys clacking] 45 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,881 [helicopter engine running] 46 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:12,851 [man through radio] Ground unit, gates are opened. 47 00:04:14,521 --> 00:04:16,921 [reporter] Top story this hour. 48 00:04:16,956 --> 00:04:20,396 New Zealand is at the center of one of world's biggest Internet piracy investigations. 49 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:23,428 Police conducted dawn raids on behalf of the FBI. 50 00:04:23,463 --> 00:04:26,064 Kim Dotcom, the founder of massive file-sharing site. 51 00:04:26,099 --> 00:04:28,099 Megaupload was... 52 00:04:28,134 --> 00:04:31,369 [woman] The notorious Dr. Evil of the information highway. 53 00:04:31,404 --> 00:04:34,906 [speaking Danish] 54 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:36,708 [man] Some say he's a criminal master mind, 55 00:04:36,743 --> 00:04:38,410 others, an online innovator, 56 00:04:38,445 --> 00:04:41,947 but he has to be the most wanted man online. 57 00:04:45,418 --> 00:04:48,687 [computer keys clacking] 58 00:05:22,522 --> 00:05:23,789 [man speaking German] 59 00:06:24,017 --> 00:06:26,518 [Dotcom] I was a hacker. 60 00:06:31,157 --> 00:06:32,657 Hackers were wizards. 61 00:06:34,961 --> 00:06:35,994 Any kind of system, 62 00:06:37,197 --> 00:06:40,832 any kind of network, 63 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:47,138 you know, a hacker right away identifies weaknesses... 64 00:06:47,173 --> 00:06:49,207 [electronic beeping] 65 00:06:50,477 --> 00:06:52,778 And I'm really good at that. 66 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:55,147 [speaking German] 67 00:07:09,896 --> 00:07:14,566 [Fisher] Kim Schmitz wasn't the only identity that he assumed. 68 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:16,701 He became Kimble, 69 00:07:16,736 --> 00:07:21,072 styling himself after Richard Kimble from The Fugitive. 70 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,708 He claimed that he'd hacked into the Pentagon, 71 00:07:23,743 --> 00:07:29,948 that he had reduced the credit ratings of world leaders down to zero. 72 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:31,594 [Mike] You know, there were all these stories, 73 00:07:31,618 --> 00:07:33,251 and some people didn't believe them. 74 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,987 They did seem sort of very fantastic in some ways. 75 00:07:36,022 --> 00:07:39,290 They seemed sort of, you know, the sort of Hollywood version 76 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:40,959 of what a hacker must be. 77 00:07:40,994 --> 00:07:44,496 My impression was that, you know, it was someone 78 00:07:44,531 --> 00:07:47,198 who seemed to be bragging quite a bit 79 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:50,034 for someone who's clearly breaking the law in certain cases. 80 00:07:50,069 --> 00:07:53,271 [sirens wailing] 81 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:56,207 [Fisher] All the other things that he did were about reputation 82 00:07:56,242 --> 00:07:58,109 and learning how stuff worked. 83 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:01,079 The thing that he was convicted for, 84 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:04,950 that was a very obvious criminal enterprise. 85 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:10,655 It was a scam using phone cards 86 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:13,191 that would then generate cash that would be Dotcom's. 87 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:14,226 [dial tone lingering] 88 00:08:15,695 --> 00:08:17,028 And he got caught. 89 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:21,700 [bells chiming] 90 00:08:23,102 --> 00:08:26,905 [footsteps] 91 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:31,109 [Dotcom] The judge rightfully ruled that, you know, 92 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:35,079 I should get a two-year probation sentence, 93 00:08:35,114 --> 00:08:38,850 and he also said that there was an important factor 94 00:08:38,885 --> 00:08:41,620 which was my youthful foolishness. 95 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:46,291 Not understanding enough at my young age 96 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:49,060 you know, that I shouldn't have done this. 97 00:08:51,631 --> 00:08:54,566 But it actually launched my career. 98 00:08:57,770 --> 00:08:59,838 [keyboard keys clacking] 99 00:09:05,912 --> 00:09:10,014 [Sean] That arrest actually helped him boost his reputation. 100 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,316 [speaking in German] 101 00:09:11,351 --> 00:09:13,084 [Sean] He set up this whole business 102 00:09:13,119 --> 00:09:14,819 around the idea of protecting companies 103 00:09:14,854 --> 00:09:19,023 from hackers like him, 104 00:09:19,058 --> 00:09:24,062 and when you're dealing with businesses that really don't have 105 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:28,132 any sort of computer security expertise internally, 106 00:09:28,167 --> 00:09:29,701 that's a really good business to be in 107 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:31,803 because you can say anything. 108 00:09:31,838 --> 00:09:33,738 [man speaks in German] 109 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,176 [laughing] 110 00:09:38,211 --> 00:09:41,012 [computer keys clacking] 111 00:09:48,388 --> 00:09:52,423 [Sean] He used his hacker mythos to build his credibility 112 00:09:52,458 --> 00:09:54,359 as this security guy. 113 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:02,166 I do know that his reputation that he built up 114 00:10:02,201 --> 00:10:04,268 by the things he said he did 115 00:10:04,303 --> 00:10:07,305 allowed him to get investment from people 116 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:10,308 and to build up his company. 117 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:13,144 [Dotcom] All my life, I've been an innovator, 118 00:10:13,179 --> 00:10:15,713 and all my life, I've been a little bit ahead 119 00:10:15,748 --> 00:10:18,049 of what everyone else was doing. 120 00:10:18,084 --> 00:10:19,684 In the data security space, 121 00:10:19,719 --> 00:10:21,319 we were one of the first companies 122 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:26,190 to create firewalls that alert you of a hacker attack. 123 00:10:26,225 --> 00:10:28,760 [distorted male voice] MegaCar.com. 124 00:10:29,996 --> 00:10:31,829 [Dotcom] When no one was thinking 125 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:33,965 about computers and cars, 126 00:10:35,101 --> 00:10:38,036 I created the MegaCar, 127 00:10:38,071 --> 00:10:41,406 real time video conferencing from a car, 128 00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:44,242 that was driving on the highway at 200 miles an hour. 129 00:10:47,947 --> 00:10:50,915 You know, all these things I thought about early on, 130 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:54,852 you know, and again patented it and sold it. 131 00:10:54,887 --> 00:10:56,655 [speaking in German] 132 00:11:09,068 --> 00:11:10,868 [Schmidt] Kim Schmitz. 133 00:11:10,903 --> 00:11:15,006 [audience clapping and cheering] 134 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:22,280 [Sean] He did everything he could to exude this new image of himself 135 00:11:22,315 --> 00:11:25,349 as this hyper successful hacker 136 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:28,753 to really turn everything about his personal life 137 00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:31,856 into a promotion for his professional life. 138 00:11:31,891 --> 00:11:33,458 [speaking in German] 139 00:11:52,211 --> 00:11:56,114 [audience laughing and clapping] 140 00:11:58,184 --> 00:12:01,452 He has this weird appearance of the big guy 141 00:12:01,487 --> 00:12:03,254 with this black suit, 142 00:12:03,289 --> 00:12:05,056 and then, he is just nice, 143 00:12:05,091 --> 00:12:07,058 nice like a nice bear to cuddle with. 144 00:12:09,162 --> 00:12:11,062 He wrote me an email and asked me, 145 00:12:11,097 --> 00:12:13,331 "Well, I see you like motor-sports." 146 00:12:13,366 --> 00:12:15,833 Why don't you come? We're having a weekend in Monaco, 147 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:17,479 Formula One race weekend. Why don't you come? 148 00:12:17,503 --> 00:12:19,070 I invite you and your girlfriend, 149 00:12:19,105 --> 00:12:21,239 "and let's have a party, and I can meet you." 150 00:12:22,608 --> 00:12:26,144 He likes the music we do with the band, 151 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:28,412 and me as a character, 152 00:12:28,447 --> 00:12:31,048 and I said, "That's interesting," and he got me there. 153 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:34,185 [car engine running] 154 00:12:49,168 --> 00:12:51,169 ♪ Yeah, pump Pump, pump a little ♪ 155 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:54,138 ♪ Pump, pump Pump, pump a little ♪ 156 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:55,440 [man speaking German] 157 00:12:58,845 --> 00:13:01,079 ♪ Pump, pump Pump a little ♪ 158 00:13:03,983 --> 00:13:06,785 ♪ Pump, pump Pump a little ♪ 159 00:13:22,501 --> 00:13:24,468 [singing in a foreign language] 160 00:13:24,503 --> 00:13:27,071 [continue speaking German] 161 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:36,114 [camera shutter clicking] 162 00:13:39,318 --> 00:13:42,120 [camera shutter clicking] 163 00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:57,435 [Michael] He uses all these status symbols, 164 00:13:57,470 --> 00:14:02,440 cars, girls and being together with celebrities like myself, 165 00:14:02,475 --> 00:14:05,109 but he is not. He himself doesn't really act like that. 166 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:06,878 Everybody is having champagne. 167 00:14:06,913 --> 00:14:08,357 "Hey, have champagne," and all the girls, 168 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,014 but there is no girl on his lap, 169 00:14:10,049 --> 00:14:11,316 and he doesn't drink alcohol. 170 00:14:13,452 --> 00:14:16,687 And he probably feels that it makes himself likable 171 00:14:16,722 --> 00:14:20,124 when he's in this picture 'cause people like girls and champagne and stars. 172 00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:25,096 [speaking German] 173 00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:51,256 [man speaking German] 174 00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:14,145 [Dotcom] I was a complicated child. 175 00:15:16,983 --> 00:15:19,183 My mum and I went through hard times 176 00:15:19,218 --> 00:15:21,519 with my father, who was an alcoholic. 177 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:26,724 This guy broke my mother's bones 178 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,294 and hit me many times and was just evil 179 00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:32,063 when he was drinking. 180 00:15:35,701 --> 00:15:38,402 He's the reason why I've never drank any alcohol 181 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:42,607 'cause I saw firsthand what that stuff can do to you. 182 00:15:47,213 --> 00:15:48,713 [ship horn blowing] 183 00:15:50,316 --> 00:15:52,717 [fishing cord whirring] 184 00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:57,254 [Dotcom] After the divorce, my mum, even though times were tough, 185 00:15:57,289 --> 00:16:02,393 she tried to find ways to get me my first computer. 186 00:16:05,031 --> 00:16:06,330 Once I had my computer, 187 00:16:06,365 --> 00:16:09,167 for me, school was a waste of time. 188 00:16:10,436 --> 00:16:12,269 I wanna learn about computers. 189 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:14,472 I wanna learn about the future. 190 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,016 [Fisher] LetsBuylt.com is an online marketplace, 191 00:16:25,051 --> 00:16:28,085 very early version of Amazon, if you will. 192 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,788 Dotcom had talked of his plans 193 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:35,493 to invest a large amount of money into LetsBuylt. 194 00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,762 When he said he was going to do that, 195 00:16:37,797 --> 00:16:39,830 the share price took off. 196 00:16:39,865 --> 00:16:42,366 It was ramped massively, 197 00:16:42,401 --> 00:16:44,168 and then he sold his shares. 198 00:16:45,738 --> 00:16:49,273 [indistinct voice over PA] 199 00:16:49,308 --> 00:16:52,143 [Dotcom] I was in Thailand because I was on a holiday... 200 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:53,211 [camera shutter clicks] 201 00:16:58,484 --> 00:17:01,152 And it didn't take long for some people 202 00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:05,189 that didn't like my attitude, my lifestyle, 203 00:17:05,224 --> 00:17:10,061 to make allegations that there's something fishy here, 204 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:15,033 and then the government started an investigation around insider trading. 205 00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:19,837 And they arrested me, 206 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:24,608 and they took me to a Thai prison, 207 00:17:24,643 --> 00:17:30,481 the worst living conditions that I have ever experienced in my life. 208 00:17:30,516 --> 00:17:33,217 And the embassy people arrive, 209 00:17:33,252 --> 00:17:35,753 "and they say," Look, if you want to leave, 210 00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:37,688 we can give you a travel document. 211 00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,590 "You can fly back to Germany." 212 00:17:39,625 --> 00:17:40,625 [indistinct murmuring] 213 00:17:40,659 --> 00:17:42,560 And of course I agreed. 214 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:47,164 [murmuring] 215 00:17:47,199 --> 00:17:49,067 [camera shutters clicking] 216 00:17:50,669 --> 00:17:52,547 [Fisher] The way that German authorities recast it, 217 00:17:52,571 --> 00:17:55,706 they had to go to Thailand to drag him back. 218 00:17:55,741 --> 00:18:00,244 Dotcom would have it that he came back willingly 219 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:01,546 to face the charges. 220 00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:06,183 [murmuring] 221 00:18:06,218 --> 00:18:10,321 [Dotcom] In the end, I agreed to a plea bargain. 222 00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:15,093 [people speaking German] 223 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:23,145 [Dotcom] I simply didn't want to deal with it anymore. 224 00:18:23,169 --> 00:18:24,668 I wanted to leave Germany behind 225 00:18:24,703 --> 00:18:27,572 and start a new life somewhere else. 226 00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:45,422 [Sean] If there is any place in the world 227 00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:49,894 that is left as sort of the edge of business, 228 00:18:49,929 --> 00:18:52,797 of finance, of legality... 229 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:57,768 It's a wild west sort of town. 230 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:00,738 Hong Kong is all about capitalism. 231 00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:08,512 Companies start there daily and disappear the next day. 232 00:19:08,547 --> 00:19:10,714 It was both at the center of the world 233 00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:12,583 and on its edge. 234 00:19:17,623 --> 00:19:21,192 He felt it was really easy to restart 235 00:19:21,227 --> 00:19:26,297 what he was trying to do in Germany, there, without much oversight. 236 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,266 [robotic voice] Welcome to the Kimpire. 237 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:32,436 Using a PC to download music 238 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:34,905 is one of the hottest of today's computer trends, 239 00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:36,418 and that has the recording companies up in arms 240 00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:37,641 and heading to court. 241 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:39,210 Members of the entertainment industry 242 00:19:39,245 --> 00:19:41,679 are fighting new websites like Napster 243 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:43,214 which allow you to download music 244 00:19:43,249 --> 00:19:45,449 off of the Internet free of charge. 245 00:19:45,484 --> 00:19:48,219 [man] It's a surprisingly simple idea 246 00:19:48,254 --> 00:19:49,620 known as file-sharing. 247 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:53,023 Napster is providing a service that give people 248 00:19:53,058 --> 00:19:55,193 the opportunity to steal our music. 249 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,533 [Greg] It started with the music industry. 250 00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:04,668 They were no longer in charge 251 00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,638 of how they distributed their wares 252 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,942 because we had Napster. 253 00:20:12,611 --> 00:20:14,378 If it was digitized, 254 00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:18,249 then you could copy it and send it across the globe. 255 00:20:18,284 --> 00:20:19,517 Any one person could do that. 256 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,455 When I wanted something special, a certain song, 257 00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:26,757 I couldn't find it. I couldn't buy it in a record store, 258 00:20:26,792 --> 00:20:28,292 and I couldn't order it. 259 00:20:28,327 --> 00:20:29,967 I just went online and got it from Napster 260 00:20:29,995 --> 00:20:32,463 or from some other dark corner in the Internet. 261 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:34,732 It was a little en vogue. 262 00:20:34,767 --> 00:20:36,267 It was a little radical. 263 00:20:36,302 --> 00:20:39,770 Everybody did this in this transition times 264 00:20:39,805 --> 00:20:41,805 when the legal market, 265 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,008 legal online market, started to establish. 266 00:20:44,043 --> 00:20:46,978 In that time, everybody did this. 267 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:55,586 [Moby] Every aspect of music has changed, 268 00:20:55,621 --> 00:20:57,888 how it's consumed, how it's disseminated, 269 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,690 how it's marketed. 270 00:20:59,725 --> 00:21:01,792 It's this shifting climate, 271 00:21:01,827 --> 00:21:05,396 and the old guard's trying to hold on 272 00:21:05,431 --> 00:21:08,733 and penalize anyone who impedes their revenue streams. 273 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:15,873 So they had these crazy lawsuits 274 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,975 against suburban housewives 275 00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:20,744 who had downloaded illegally 20 songs, 276 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:23,380 you know, trying to like sue them for millions of dollars. 277 00:21:23,415 --> 00:21:26,517 Well, I don't think this is about record companies. 278 00:21:26,552 --> 00:21:29,019 I think this is about whether or not people 279 00:21:29,054 --> 00:21:30,721 who create music, and invest in music, 280 00:21:30,756 --> 00:21:31,989 have a right to get paid. 281 00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:33,757 The record companies never gave a damn 282 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,759 about the artist anyway. 283 00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:39,330 95% of them have problems retrieving their money 284 00:21:39,365 --> 00:21:41,365 from the major corporations anyway. 285 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,934 Four major corporations, four of them, 286 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:46,503 and Hilary is fighting to protect them. 287 00:21:46,538 --> 00:21:49,606 [man] Ms. Rosen, isn't this strictly about your profits and your money? 288 00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,820 [Hilary] Well, it's about everybody's profits and money. 289 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:53,444 [siren ringing] 290 00:21:56,849 --> 00:21:59,083 [Lawrence] Originally the film industry was quite naive 291 00:21:59,118 --> 00:22:00,651 in believing that they were immune 292 00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:02,119 because they thought, you know, 293 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,089 we've got two gigabyte, three gigabyte files, 294 00:22:05,124 --> 00:22:08,592 and if you're sharing those, you know, on dial-up modems, 295 00:22:08,627 --> 00:22:10,027 it would take days to download. 296 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:12,529 But, of course, in the current state, 297 00:22:12,564 --> 00:22:14,832 it's trivial to download that kind of content. 298 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:19,370 And so that industry is threatened as well, 299 00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:21,038 and the business model of that industry 300 00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:22,573 is very different from music. 301 00:22:22,608 --> 00:22:24,174 You know, when you get access to music, 302 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:26,677 you want a song that if you like it, 303 00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:28,946 you're gonna listen to it a thousand times. 304 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:30,981 If you watch a movie, 305 00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,617 it's not likely you're gonna watch it two or three times. 306 00:22:35,621 --> 00:22:38,722 So they had a stronger reason to be anxious 307 00:22:38,757 --> 00:22:40,691 that people not get access to their movie 308 00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:44,161 and to bleed the potential revenue. 309 00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:49,133 You can copy on a digital format 10,000 copies, 310 00:22:49,168 --> 00:22:51,969 and the ten thousandth copy is as pure and pristine 311 00:22:52,004 --> 00:22:53,404 as the original. 312 00:22:53,439 --> 00:22:55,939 If you allow that, you don't have copyright 313 00:22:55,974 --> 00:22:58,041 to protect you on the Internet, 314 00:22:58,076 --> 00:22:59,076 we're dead. 315 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:04,882 [Greg] They had no understanding. 316 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:08,685 The music industry had been decimated. 317 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,131 The film industry had the same problem. 318 00:23:10,155 --> 00:23:12,055 They didn't understand what was coming 319 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,858 until things had already gotten out of hand. 320 00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:15,993 [yelling] 321 00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:20,832 As you can see, 250, 322 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:27,037 this is the Gumball speed, ladies and gentlemen. 323 00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:30,141 [car engines running] 324 00:23:36,181 --> 00:23:39,616 [Fisher] Gumball Rally is where the richest car nuts in the world 325 00:23:39,651 --> 00:23:44,522 get together to cover thousands of miles across Europe. 326 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:48,725 Dotcom treated it like it was a race 327 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,627 because he likes to win everything. 328 00:23:50,662 --> 00:23:51,628 This is the winner. 329 00:23:51,663 --> 00:23:53,063 This is the winner. 330 00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:55,232 I've been a hacker in my early years, 331 00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:57,167 and then I started... 332 00:23:57,202 --> 00:23:58,646 [Dotcom voiceover] You know, always when I was there, 333 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:01,104 there were videos made about it, 334 00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:04,875 and I wanted to share them with my friends. 335 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:10,013 And I could not because the files were too big 336 00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:11,982 to send via email. 337 00:24:14,253 --> 00:24:17,221 And I was like, well, let's create a site 338 00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:19,056 where you can upload a file, 339 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:20,757 and then instead of emailing the file, 340 00:24:20,792 --> 00:24:21,959 you just email the link. 341 00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:24,194 And no matter how large the file is, 342 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:27,832 people can download it, and problem solved. 343 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:32,203 That's how it started. 344 00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:38,943 [camera shutter clicks] 345 00:24:40,612 --> 00:24:43,680 At the time Megaupload really took off, 346 00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:47,751 we were a relatively small team of developers. 347 00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:54,892 There are not many people that I know 348 00:24:54,927 --> 00:24:58,562 that I can call a genius, but Mathias is. 349 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,267 He was the brains behind the code. 350 00:25:05,571 --> 00:25:07,037 He is really a genius. 351 00:25:07,072 --> 00:25:08,238 [camera shutter clicks] 352 00:25:08,273 --> 00:25:12,142 [Finn] Bram was kind of a fan of Kim 353 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:13,911 because of his Gumball racing, 354 00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:15,646 and I think that way they met 355 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:18,949 because he said, "You know, I can... I'm a coder too." 356 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,217 Can I do something for you?" 357 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,922 I was not part of the founding members. 358 00:25:26,258 --> 00:25:29,126 I met him at a club in Munich. 359 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,695 [camera shutter clicks] 360 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:34,298 Kim got in touch with me because Megaupload grew, 361 00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:39,202 and there was a need for marketing and advertising. 362 00:25:39,237 --> 00:25:41,939 So because we knew each other, and he trusted me. 363 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:51,949 [Aram] There was this boom in remote storage locker services 364 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,685 that people were using for both infringing 365 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,186 and non-infringing purposes 366 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:59,189 to store information in what we now call the cloud. 367 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:01,992 I guess you could really say 368 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,261 that Megaupload was among the innovators 369 00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:07,898 of consumer cloud services. 370 00:26:07,933 --> 00:26:10,034 Certainly the interface design was dead simple. 371 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,604 [Julie] As we talk about Megaupload, 372 00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:15,683 we're gonna be talking a lot about music and films, 373 00:26:15,707 --> 00:26:16,840 but it's not just that. 374 00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:20,043 Academic research, data sets... 375 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:22,012 This is the promise of the Internet, right? 376 00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:25,349 That across the globe we can share access to all of this stuff, 377 00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:27,317 and build upon it and share it, 378 00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:29,119 and that's really, really amazing. 379 00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:31,254 And that's the underlying technology 380 00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:34,324 of cloud computing that Megaupload used 381 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,826 that's really so exciting. 382 00:26:40,732 --> 00:26:42,032 [Finn] There was a high demand. 383 00:26:42,067 --> 00:26:43,267 We had crazy rates of growth. 384 00:26:46,004 --> 00:26:48,338 Say you have a million visitors on your website, 385 00:26:48,373 --> 00:26:52,042 and every user that came to our website 386 00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:54,712 is potentially advertising income. 387 00:26:59,084 --> 00:27:01,184 [Dotcom] It doubled in size almost every month, 388 00:27:01,219 --> 00:27:03,086 and we needed to get new servers, 389 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:06,290 more bandwidth, new servers, more bandwidth. 390 00:27:09,494 --> 00:27:11,962 I was surprised. 391 00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:15,732 I was so surprised that something simple 392 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:19,436 would grow into such proportions, 393 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:23,207 but I also immediately understood its potential. 394 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:29,179 Now, whether Dotcom ever envisioned what it was gonna turn into, 395 00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:31,382 I don't know, but users did. 396 00:27:35,854 --> 00:27:37,287 Once users could see 397 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:41,058 the latest Hollywood movies on Megaupload, 398 00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:44,061 the use of the site exploded. 399 00:27:46,364 --> 00:27:49,032 [Jonathan] They would Google a movie they wanted to see 400 00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:51,368 or a song they wanted to hear. 401 00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:53,937 It would be one of the top hits. 402 00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,338 They'd click on the link, 403 00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:57,340 and, oh yeah, I guess I'm at Megaupload, 404 00:27:57,375 --> 00:28:01,178 and by the way, if you want it to go faster, pay here. 405 00:28:01,213 --> 00:28:02,913 Then they would pay there, 406 00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:05,415 and get a premium account and have it go faster. 407 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:08,051 So it actually, it was very well designed 408 00:28:08,086 --> 00:28:10,220 to attract people who weren't even thinking 409 00:28:10,255 --> 00:28:12,789 one way or the other about legal, illegal. 410 00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:14,157 They just wanted to see the movie 411 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,393 and were happy to pay somebody for the privilege, 412 00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:18,929 and a company like Kim Dotcom's was cashing the checks. 413 00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:22,799 [keyboard keys clacking] 414 00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:26,737 A girlfriend, I saw her watching Mad Men on her computer, 415 00:28:26,772 --> 00:28:29,773 and I'm like, "Where did you get that?" 416 00:28:29,808 --> 00:28:33,043 And she's all like, "Megaupload," and I'm like, "What is that?" 417 00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:36,179 And she told me that Megaupload was the in place 418 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:37,447 at the University of Kansas, 419 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:39,816 where she had just graduated earlier, 420 00:28:39,851 --> 00:28:41,485 to find free movies. 421 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,919 How did you hear about it? 422 00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:45,355 She said her 63-year-old professor 423 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,859 at the University of Kansas turned her on to Megaupload. 424 00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:52,229 And then I was like, this is big. 425 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:54,331 They're essentially streaming to you, 426 00:28:54,366 --> 00:28:56,833 and it was easy. 427 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,970 If they make this this simple to do, 428 00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:03,273 this means it could go mainstream. 429 00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:14,251 [Dotcom] I was traveling a lot in Asia, 430 00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:17,421 and I was in the Philippines at a disco, 431 00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:22,960 and I saw Mona dancing on the dance floor. 432 00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:27,197 And she immediately caught my eye 433 00:29:27,232 --> 00:29:29,032 because she is so incredibly beautiful. 434 00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:37,240 I was a bit shy, so I sent my PA to go to Mona 435 00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:39,176 and ask her if she wants to join us. 436 00:29:40,478 --> 00:29:44,114 He was just this guy sitting alone in the corner. 437 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:47,351 So it's like, why is no one talking to him? 438 00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:50,554 I thought we really connected. 439 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:55,292 We both grew up in a tough life, 440 00:29:55,327 --> 00:29:59,229 but, yeah, we were just friends. 441 00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,565 [Dotcom] I just knew that I wanted to be with her. 442 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,567 Look at me. [Laughing] 443 00:30:03,602 --> 00:30:05,936 I'm not a supermodel, right? 444 00:30:07,572 --> 00:30:11,074 And now we are going to the Tower de Eiffel. 445 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:15,011 So I have to spend extra time and extra work 446 00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:19,016 to get someone to fall for me, 447 00:30:21,386 --> 00:30:22,919 but she ultimately did, 448 00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:24,621 and we were really happy together. 449 00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:27,291 [birds chirping] 450 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,911 We went on a holiday to New Zealand, 451 00:30:47,946 --> 00:30:49,586 and we just fell in love with the place. 452 00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:58,488 Run for your lives. 453 00:30:58,523 --> 00:30:59,489 [indistinct murmuring] 454 00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:00,690 [child] Bye bye. 455 00:31:00,725 --> 00:31:02,392 [man] What's happening? 456 00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:05,395 OK, we are up here on the hill at Coatesville. 457 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,998 This is our house. 458 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,634 We found that house in Coatesville 459 00:31:13,438 --> 00:31:15,305 and we just made that our second home. 460 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,340 Yeah. 461 00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:22,012 [Fisher] Megaupload was huge, 462 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:27,484 and there were tens of millions of dollars coming in. 463 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,489 At that time, he was largely unknown in New Zealand. 464 00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:36,459 He was a reclusive, wealthy foreigner who was living 465 00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:40,297 in the grandest house in the land. 466 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,569 [helicopter engine running] 467 00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:49,039 [man] Now for the biggest fireworks display 468 00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:51,107 ever seen in New Zealand, 469 00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:53,977 a gift from Mr. Kim Dotcom 470 00:31:54,012 --> 00:31:57,314 as he hovers up here over our beautiful harbor. 471 00:31:57,349 --> 00:31:59,349 Happy New Year, Auckland. 472 00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:01,218 Happy New Year. 473 00:32:06,624 --> 00:32:10,193 [rockets whistling] 474 00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:13,263 [Fisher] Dotcom had a very slow entry 475 00:32:13,298 --> 00:32:14,298 into New Zealand life, 476 00:32:16,368 --> 00:32:19,569 but then, he spent about a half million dollars 477 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,404 on that fireworks display. 478 00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,674 [cheering] 479 00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:30,480 That was a celebration of getting his residency. 480 00:32:30,515 --> 00:32:32,449 [cheering] 481 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:39,289 [newsreader] These thieves are now migrating offshore, 482 00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,690 locating themselves in places 483 00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,460 that're beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. courts. 484 00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:45,362 And so we need to come up with a mechanism 485 00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:46,629 to protect our jobs 486 00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:48,631 and protect the intellectual property 487 00:32:48,666 --> 00:32:50,767 by going after those sites 488 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,435 or those search engines 489 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:56,106 that allow these illegal criminal foreign sites to exist. 490 00:32:56,141 --> 00:33:00,043 [birds chirping] 491 00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:03,680 [Fisher] Dotcom had a plan to list Megaupload. 492 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,448 He wanted to float the company, 493 00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,985 and he reckoned it was worth about two billion dollars. 494 00:33:10,088 --> 00:33:12,222 This is next level stuff. 495 00:33:17,362 --> 00:33:21,164 [Dotcom] We wanted to launch several new sites. 496 00:33:21,199 --> 00:33:24,100 One of them was Megamovies, 497 00:33:24,135 --> 00:33:26,336 which was a Netflix competitor, 498 00:33:26,371 --> 00:33:29,272 and the aim was to license content 499 00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:31,041 from the big studios. 500 00:33:32,477 --> 00:33:35,078 We have Megabox. 501 00:33:35,113 --> 00:33:37,480 It would give the artist 90% of the earnings. 502 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,315 It would give them an online platform 503 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:44,054 where they can sell directly to their fan base. 504 00:33:44,089 --> 00:33:49,659 Because we were thinking about how can we reinvent this whole copyright model? 505 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:51,494 How can we make it work 506 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:55,398 for the artists and creators directly? 507 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:57,511 [man] Kim was definitely talking about new business models 508 00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,170 that he was working on and new services that he was working on. 509 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,638 And you got this idea that 510 00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:04,074 like many other platforms that started out 511 00:34:04,109 --> 00:34:07,477 as being very focused on kind of infringing uses, 512 00:34:07,512 --> 00:34:09,879 a legitimate and authorized business model 513 00:34:09,914 --> 00:34:11,548 might actually come out of it. 514 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,420 [man] This technology is live and in place now, correct? 515 00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:19,089 [Dotcom] Yes, that's correct. 516 00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,191 [man] I will happily do a deal with you guys, 517 00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:22,725 not an issue. 518 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,495 [Dotcom] Amazing, great, I'm happy to hear that. 519 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:28,731 We have gotten a lot of fire from everyone, 520 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:32,268 you know, in the content industry for, 521 00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:34,370 you know, Megaupload. 522 00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:37,340 [man] There are certain people I can have conversations with 523 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,410 where you'll be moved onto a different list 524 00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:43,313 - as opposed to a bad list. - [Dotcom laughing] 525 00:34:43,348 --> 00:34:46,649 If it would be from evil to neutral, 526 00:34:46,684 --> 00:34:48,818 and then later from neutral to good, 527 00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:50,620 I think that would be fair. 528 00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,689 - [man] That, we can do that. - [Dotcom] OK, good. 529 00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:56,637 [Masnick] One of the things that I thought was, 530 00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:59,262 maybe this was the sign that Megaupload was making 531 00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:02,332 that sort of shift to a legitimate platform. 532 00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:05,146 The movie industry did not react that way. 533 00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:06,836 I think they sort of freaked out. 534 00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:10,273 They don't go past this whole, "There's infringement. 535 00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:11,908 It's bad. End it." 536 00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:25,355 [Steve] Megaupload was effectively a copy cat 537 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,857 of some pirate services that already existed at the time, 538 00:35:27,892 --> 00:35:30,827 so there was no creative innovation in what they did. 539 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:33,463 They just did it better in the sense 540 00:35:33,498 --> 00:35:36,299 that they bested their pirate competitors 541 00:35:36,334 --> 00:35:37,433 in terms of growing. 542 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,569 So the entire business model was based 543 00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:43,706 on distributing content that Megaupload didn't own. 544 00:35:43,741 --> 00:35:48,344 This guy is becoming a multi, multi millionaire, 545 00:35:48,379 --> 00:35:52,515 and dual use, this is not people sharing their vacation photos 546 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:54,384 and then others paying a premium 547 00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:56,553 to download them a little faster. 548 00:35:56,588 --> 00:35:59,456 This is just movie after movie after movie. 549 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:15,338 [Robert] Kim Dotcom made a lot of money for himself. 550 00:36:18,309 --> 00:36:21,377 Did he make a lot of money to fund all of the art 551 00:36:21,412 --> 00:36:22,979 that he was distributing for free? 552 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,414 No way. 553 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:27,350 Also remember that like creators have rights. 554 00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:30,887 I mean, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 555 00:36:30,922 --> 00:36:33,556 which was signed by the UN, not the MPAA, 556 00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:35,225 you know, you have the right 557 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:37,961 to moral and material interests of your work. 558 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,230 That's a big deal. 559 00:36:40,265 --> 00:36:42,899 You wanna give it away for free? Give it away for free. 560 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:45,034 You wanna stream it? Stream it. 561 00:36:45,069 --> 00:36:46,703 You wanna put it on LaserDisc, 562 00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:48,972 beam it into space, show it on airplanes? 563 00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:50,640 That's your choice. 564 00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:53,776 But Kim was violating the rights of a lot of people. 565 00:36:53,811 --> 00:36:55,912 [cheering] 566 00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:12,028 [Taplin] When someone like Kim Dotcom put up a site, 567 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,497 and he collects millions of dollars 568 00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,933 of advertising income off that site 569 00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:20,770 to pay for his yachts, his mansions, 570 00:37:20,805 --> 00:37:22,706 and his private jets, 571 00:37:23,941 --> 00:37:27,244 that's, to me, parasitical. 572 00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,413 He is a parasite, 573 00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:35,685 and he is sucking the blood out of the artist's corporate body. 574 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:36,930 [man] Just one more time, are you ready? 575 00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:38,821 [cheering] 576 00:37:38,856 --> 00:37:44,394 [Jonathan] So he's a criminal, and it's just that simple. 577 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:47,030 You know, he deserved, he should be in jail. 578 00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:49,565 ♪ I'm not done ♪ 579 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,034 ♪ I've just begun ♪ 580 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:53,069 ♪ Kim Dotcom ♪ 581 00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:55,438 ♪ Kim Dotcom ♪ 582 00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:57,073 ♪ I'm not done ♪ 583 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:58,875 ♪ I've just begun ♪ 584 00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:00,743 ♪ I've just begun ♪ 585 00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:01,778 ♪ Kim Dotcom ♪ 586 00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:05,949 That wasn't right. Let's do it again. 587 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:09,786 [man murmuring] 588 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,621 And then the other one. 589 00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:14,624 [Dotcom] I was working on a music site called Megabox. 590 00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:17,126 Megabox was actually a real threat 591 00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:21,764 to the music labels because it empowered the artists, 592 00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:23,966 and cut out the middlemen, 593 00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:27,637 these monopolist labels that are just stealing money from them, 594 00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,972 and the artists loved that. 595 00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:31,674 Hey, we have our hit, man. 596 00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:33,009 And they were all excited. 597 00:38:33,044 --> 00:38:34,844 They wanted to be a part of that, 598 00:38:34,879 --> 00:38:38,114 and that's why they decided to promote Megaupload 599 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,149 in the way they have done. 600 00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:43,786 ♪ And when I gotta send files Across the globe ♪ 601 00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:45,788 ♪ I use Megaupload ♪ 602 00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:47,657 [voice whispering] ♪ Mega Megaupload ♪ 603 00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:50,860 ♪ And when I gotta send files Across the globe ♪ 604 00:38:50,895 --> 00:38:52,795 ♪ I use Megaupload ♪ 605 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,464 ♪ Mega Megaupload ♪ 606 00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,165 I use Megauploads, man. 607 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,767 I like to use Megaupload. 608 00:38:57,802 --> 00:38:58,968 I like Megaupload. 609 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:00,670 I like Megaupload. 610 00:39:00,705 --> 00:39:02,572 I love Megaupload. 611 00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:04,051 [Fisher] A whole bunch of A-listers, well-known faces 612 00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,975 singing a Megaupload jingle, 613 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:07,377 suggest that I might be. 614 00:39:07,412 --> 00:39:09,679 I mean, that was really sticking his fingers 615 00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:11,914 up the noses of the record companies and Hollywood. 616 00:39:11,949 --> 00:39:13,616 ♪ Send me a file ♪ 617 00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:14,951 ♪ Megaupload ♪ 618 00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:17,653 But it was surprising because I'm sure 619 00:39:17,688 --> 00:39:20,390 that many of the labels that represent these celebrities 620 00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,392 were incredibly unhappy to see 621 00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:25,795 that promo because their message was one 622 00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:27,730 that does not align very easily 623 00:39:27,765 --> 00:39:29,766 with the copyright industry's message, 624 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:35,638 that any kind of copyright infringement hurts them, not helps them. 625 00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:38,908 [Greg] Like, what is this? 626 00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:42,779 Here are the artists backing Kim Dotcom 627 00:39:42,814 --> 00:39:46,549 and Megaupload at a crucial time. 628 00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:48,618 Listen, Kim Dotcom is a PR genius. 629 00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:51,788 He knows what really makes impact. 630 00:39:51,823 --> 00:39:53,063 He knows what people wanna see. 631 00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:54,590 He knows what's gonna affect them. 632 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,726 The guy's a genius when it comes to that, 633 00:39:56,761 --> 00:40:00,897 and Hollywood had no idea that he'd be able to do this kinda thing. 634 00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:02,198 That came out of nowhere. 635 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,967 Hey, I'm Alicia Keys, and I use Megaupload. 636 00:40:05,002 --> 00:40:06,436 Hi, I'm Naomi Campbell. 637 00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:07,870 What up, doe? Megaupload. 638 00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:09,472 I am Demi Moore. 639 00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:11,174 Hey, what's up? It's Kim Kardashian, 640 00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:13,075 and I love Megaupload. 641 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:15,445 These people are whores. 642 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,980 They're... they're, you know, 643 00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:20,049 wave a little check in front of them. 644 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:21,684 They'll show up anywhere, 645 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,953 and that's what's so sad, you know. 646 00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:27,123 I mean, the music business didn't use to be that way, 647 00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:31,494 but now whether it's brands or Kim Dotcom, 648 00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:36,165 people are so anxious to get some cash 649 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,001 that they'll do anything. 650 00:40:44,175 --> 00:40:45,975 [Greg] He seemed to them 651 00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:48,044 he was rubbing their nose, 652 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,012 that he was living in this huge mansion 653 00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:53,082 with all these cars, living this high life, 654 00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,885 and to them, he was doing that with their money. 655 00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,790 It was like, he had to go. 656 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:04,594 So he kinda, in a way, he invited some of this. 657 00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:12,768 [Glenn] He has long been viewed 658 00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:17,507 as an adversary of the film and entertainment industry in Hollywood, 659 00:41:17,542 --> 00:41:19,709 and that industry wield 660 00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:22,479 enormous political power inside the United States, 661 00:41:23,781 --> 00:41:25,325 and therefore it wields great influence 662 00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:27,717 within the halls of power of Washington. 663 00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:31,754 [reporter] Top lobbyist for Hollywood told FOX 664 00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:35,725 his industry is threatening to cut off money to the President. 665 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,660 Don't make the false assumption this year 666 00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:39,039 that because we did it in the years past 667 00:41:39,063 --> 00:41:40,229 we're gonna do it this year. 668 00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:42,331 This industry is watching very carefully 669 00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:43,966 who's going to stand up for them 670 00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:45,168 when their job is at stake. 671 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:50,773 [Lawrence] Chris Dodd, the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, 672 00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,676 the most powerful lobbying group for Hollywood in America, 673 00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:55,011 was very explicit about the fact 674 00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:57,580 that if you're not gonna give us what we want, 675 00:41:57,615 --> 00:42:00,283 we're not gonna give you what you want when it comes around time 676 00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:02,952 for you to raise money to fund your campaigns. 677 00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:05,321 Now that was more explicit than he should have been 678 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,056 'cause it just sounded so grotesque, 679 00:42:07,091 --> 00:42:09,759 but what he was saying was understood by everybody to be true. 680 00:42:09,794 --> 00:42:10,927 [camera shutter clicks] 681 00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:14,308 [Greg] I've heard a lot of suspicion 682 00:42:14,332 --> 00:42:17,934 about whether Hollywood really did put pressure 683 00:42:17,969 --> 00:42:19,802 on the President to take down a site 684 00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:22,872 that they believed was pirating music and films. 685 00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:25,575 And I would say, "Yeah, absolutely." 686 00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:28,110 That's what we do. He shouldn't be surprised by that. 687 00:42:28,145 --> 00:42:29,579 That's what happens. 688 00:42:29,614 --> 00:42:32,348 You get in between America and its money, 689 00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,284 and you're gonna have big problems. 690 00:42:40,891 --> 00:42:46,062 [indistinct announcements] 691 00:42:52,637 --> 00:42:55,838 [police officers speaking indistinctly] 692 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:07,150 [computer keys clacking] 693 00:43:11,389 --> 00:43:12,722 [security camera whirring] 694 00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,927 [sparrows chirping] 695 00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:25,068 [cackling] 696 00:43:35,212 --> 00:43:37,046 [helicopter engine running] 697 00:43:37,081 --> 00:43:38,114 [police officers talking] 698 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,887 [helicopter blades whirring] 699 00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:41,310 [dog barking] 700 00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:49,285 [security camera whirring] 701 00:45:22,052 --> 00:45:25,488 [computer keys clacking] 702 00:45:33,531 --> 00:45:36,065 [Grant] They've been arrested on warrants relating 703 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,535 to breach of copyright offenses in the United States, 704 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,139 money laundering and racketeering. 705 00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:47,076 Within New Zealand, 706 00:45:47,111 --> 00:45:49,779 we have seized an excess of six million dollars worth 707 00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:53,849 of top-end motor vehicles and over $10 million in cash 708 00:45:53,884 --> 00:45:56,319 from several New Zealand finance companies. 709 00:45:59,824 --> 00:46:03,259 [man] More details of Kim Dotcom's actions during the raid have emerged. 710 00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:05,561 Police say when they arrived in two helicopters, 711 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:10,232 Dotcom retreated into an electronically locked panic room. 712 00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,802 [man 2] They found him clutching a sawed-off shotgun, 713 00:46:12,837 --> 00:46:14,870 and they had to cut him out of the room. 714 00:46:14,905 --> 00:46:17,840 The firearm that was found, sir, was illegal. 715 00:46:17,875 --> 00:46:19,475 Here's a photo of it, 716 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:21,177 and it was loaded. 717 00:46:23,047 --> 00:46:27,550 [speaking indistinctly] 718 00:46:42,233 --> 00:46:46,969 [woman] The FBI claims that Kim Dotcom made $175 million 719 00:46:47,004 --> 00:46:49,338 in criminal proceedings 720 00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:55,077 and that Megaupload cost half a billion dollars in harm to copyright owners. 721 00:46:55,112 --> 00:46:56,423 [Steve] He was put into the criminal category 722 00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:58,314 because he was a criminal, 723 00:46:58,349 --> 00:47:00,349 and he is a criminal, 724 00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:04,286 and he was a pretty significant criminal. 725 00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:06,388 Just because he is not violent 726 00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:08,357 doesn't mean his conduct isn't criminal. 727 00:47:08,392 --> 00:47:10,492 People go to jail for securities fraud every day 728 00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:13,296 without ever having taken a bat to the side of someone's head. 729 00:47:15,099 --> 00:47:17,399 So the harm that Kim Dotcom causes 730 00:47:17,434 --> 00:47:19,335 really does affect real people. 731 00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,571 It affects those 1.9 million people that go to work every day 732 00:47:22,606 --> 00:47:25,307 trying to earn a living in the film and television industry. 733 00:47:25,342 --> 00:47:27,343 It affects the small businesses 734 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,446 that are trying to start up new legitimate online platforms 735 00:47:30,481 --> 00:47:32,147 and that are playing by the rules. 736 00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:34,483 So the conduct that Kim Dotcom engaged in 737 00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,485 was criminal, and it had real victims. 738 00:47:46,997 --> 00:47:48,964 - [woman] Hi, Kim. - Hello. 739 00:47:48,999 --> 00:47:51,267 [indistinct murmuring] 740 00:47:51,302 --> 00:47:55,337 Well, I'm relieved to go home to see my family, 741 00:47:55,372 --> 00:47:58,307 my three little kids and my pregnant wife, 742 00:47:58,342 --> 00:47:59,575 and I hope you understand 743 00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,243 that that's all I want to say right now. 744 00:48:01,278 --> 00:48:02,455 [woman] How have you been treated? 745 00:48:02,479 --> 00:48:04,380 I just want to go home, and see my family. 746 00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:07,249 Gentlemen, just... Excuse me. 747 00:48:07,284 --> 00:48:09,018 [woman] What about the extradition hearing? 748 00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:11,153 You will obviously be fighting that one? 749 00:48:11,188 --> 00:48:14,323 Yes, I will be fighting that. 750 00:48:14,358 --> 00:48:18,661 [newsreader] And in New Zealand, Megaupload tycoon Kim Dotcom 751 00:48:18,696 --> 00:48:23,499 was released on bail today after 31 days in prison. 752 00:48:23,534 --> 00:48:25,200 A hearing will be held shortly 753 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,470 to determine whether the Megaupload co-accused 754 00:48:28,505 --> 00:48:31,440 will be sent to Washington to stand trial. 755 00:48:31,475 --> 00:48:34,043 If found guilty, the men could face 756 00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:35,978 up to 80 years in prison. 757 00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:42,518 Hi! 758 00:48:44,521 --> 00:48:46,155 [woman] Yeah, but they didn't say no. 759 00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:50,559 [screaming and laughing] 760 00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:56,399 [speaking indistinctly] 761 00:48:58,268 --> 00:49:01,270 [Dotcom] We were living in this happy bubble, ya know? 762 00:49:01,305 --> 00:49:02,438 Everything was perfect... 763 00:49:06,243 --> 00:49:07,476 until the raid. 764 00:49:10,381 --> 00:49:12,214 Yay... 765 00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,117 it's happening. 766 00:49:17,554 --> 00:49:19,321 Oh, I'm scared. 767 00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:20,523 Oh, what's that? 768 00:49:21,592 --> 00:49:22,992 Oops. 769 00:49:23,027 --> 00:49:24,293 - [baby crying] - [man] Hello. 770 00:49:24,328 --> 00:49:26,495 [indistinct murmuring] 771 00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:28,497 [Dotcom] Number one is out, baby... 772 00:49:28,532 --> 00:49:31,667 - [Doctor] Number two. - [Dotcom] ...and number two. 773 00:49:31,702 --> 00:49:34,503 - Babies are super pretty. - Super healthy? 774 00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,640 Super good, baby, don't worry, all good. 775 00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:41,610 Today I'm a daddy again. 776 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:45,481 Two more kids, two tiny girls, 777 00:49:45,516 --> 00:49:48,150 two beautiful little pirates. 778 00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:55,124 That was really good that I was able 779 00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,761 to be outside to watch the twins get born. 780 00:49:58,796 --> 00:50:00,362 [camera shutters clicking] 781 00:50:00,397 --> 00:50:02,698 You know, that gave me a lot of energy. 782 00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:06,302 It reminded me that I really need to fight for them. 783 00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:12,241 I knew we were innocent. 784 00:50:12,276 --> 00:50:14,543 I knew these allegations were wrong. 785 00:50:14,578 --> 00:50:18,047 I actually read the indictment on the day we got arrested, 786 00:50:18,082 --> 00:50:20,049 and I had to laugh. 787 00:50:20,084 --> 00:50:21,784 I said to my co-defense, 788 00:50:21,819 --> 00:50:23,318 this will be over really quick. 789 00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,087 This is such a nonsense. 790 00:50:25,122 --> 00:50:27,122 It will be so easy to discredit 791 00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:29,658 and show that they got it all wrong, you know? 792 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:35,631 While I was remanded, 793 00:50:35,666 --> 00:50:38,233 I got all these press clippings, 794 00:50:38,268 --> 00:50:40,269 and they were saying that I was found 795 00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:42,571 with a sawn-off shotgun, 796 00:50:42,606 --> 00:50:45,207 you know, that they had to use this kind of force 797 00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:47,209 because I had weapons in the house 798 00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:49,878 and, you know, the whole description of the case, 799 00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:54,283 and who I am was just completely unrealistic and not true. 800 00:50:54,318 --> 00:50:56,085 - Speak with... [indistinct] - Mm-hmm. 801 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,455 So I decided that I want to set the record straight. 802 00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,090 Of course, everybody knows 803 00:51:01,125 --> 00:51:03,392 that the Internet is being used 804 00:51:03,427 --> 00:51:06,628 for legitimate and illegitimate uses, 805 00:51:06,663 --> 00:51:08,764 and I think every online service provider 806 00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:12,267 has the same challenges that we had. 807 00:51:12,302 --> 00:51:15,571 YouTube, Google, everybody is in the same boat, 808 00:51:15,606 --> 00:51:19,641 and our legal advisers have always told us that we are secure 809 00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:22,311 and that we are protected by the DMCA 810 00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:23,645 which is a law in the U.S. 811 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,381 that is protecting online service providers 812 00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:29,452 of liability for the actions of their users. 813 00:51:32,222 --> 00:51:34,701 [Cyrus] Kim's legal team would argue that they're no different 814 00:51:34,725 --> 00:51:36,859 than any other cloud storage service. 815 00:51:36,894 --> 00:51:38,927 They are not responsible for what the users do. 816 00:51:38,962 --> 00:51:41,396 They have no liability. 817 00:51:41,431 --> 00:51:43,365 End of story as far as they're concerned. 818 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,912 What the government alleges, what the entertainment industry alleges 819 00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:48,937 is that, well, no, the website was set up to give incentives 820 00:51:48,972 --> 00:51:50,773 for people to upload valuable material, 821 00:51:53,844 --> 00:51:55,844 meaning, you know, newly released films, 822 00:51:55,879 --> 00:51:57,880 newly released music, things like that. 823 00:51:57,915 --> 00:52:00,349 [indistinct murmuring] 824 00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,924 [Dotcom] That's also very important to mention. 825 00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:11,693 I shouldn't ever have been in a situation 826 00:52:11,728 --> 00:52:13,695 to defend myself against extradition 827 00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:15,764 because there is simply no basis in law 828 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:18,234 in New Zealand to extradite me. 829 00:52:20,437 --> 00:52:22,571 [Greg] They have to prove to a New Zealand court 830 00:52:22,606 --> 00:52:24,573 that the treaty between the United States 831 00:52:24,608 --> 00:52:28,377 and New Zealand, extradition treaty, covers copyright. 832 00:52:28,412 --> 00:52:29,745 And from what I've seen, 833 00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:31,914 there's nothing in there about copyright. 834 00:52:34,585 --> 00:52:35,751 [Dr. Ira] They're concocted, 835 00:52:37,754 --> 00:52:39,788 and they're piling them on to figure out a way 836 00:52:39,823 --> 00:52:42,958 to make out a case where none should exist. 837 00:52:45,862 --> 00:52:49,698 But like a house, you know, like dominoes, 838 00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:53,702 if there is no criminal copyright infringement, 839 00:52:53,737 --> 00:52:55,604 all the others will fall. 840 00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:05,447 [keyboard keys clacking] 841 00:53:08,652 --> 00:53:10,852 The whole Dotcom Megaupload process 842 00:53:10,887 --> 00:53:12,721 turned out to be 843 00:53:12,756 --> 00:53:15,457 far more than New Zealand ever bargained for. 844 00:53:22,399 --> 00:53:27,536 Anything that we could get wrong, we got wrong. 845 00:53:27,571 --> 00:53:32,674 The New Zealand authorities managed to pretty much screw up every step 846 00:53:32,709 --> 00:53:34,743 of the process along the way. 847 00:53:34,778 --> 00:53:38,547 The search warrant that was used to execute the raid, 848 00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:40,983 it has to be directed towards 849 00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:44,586 whatever the alleged criminal enterprise is. 850 00:53:44,621 --> 00:53:46,555 This document didn't do that. 851 00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:49,592 It was an incredibly vague document. 852 00:53:55,432 --> 00:53:58,700 The authorities in New Zealand cloned Dotcom's laptops, 853 00:53:58,735 --> 00:54:01,003 which had been seized during the raid. 854 00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:05,874 The court had effectively said 855 00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,843 this evidence remains in New Zealand. 856 00:54:09,746 --> 00:54:12,514 The FBI took the clones 857 00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:15,484 and sent them back to the United States. 858 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,454 It's extraordinary. 859 00:54:20,557 --> 00:54:25,027 Dotcom's rights, the process of law had been thwarted, 860 00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:29,031 and there needed to be some sort of redress for that. 861 00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:31,300 [woman] The Internet millionaire has been back in court 862 00:54:31,335 --> 00:54:33,001 for a three-day hearing. 863 00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:36,338 Police were quizzed about what level of threat he posed 864 00:54:36,373 --> 00:54:38,507 and whether the elite special tactics group 865 00:54:38,542 --> 00:54:41,510 was needed to execute the search warrants in January. 866 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:44,713 [man] The police are not every day 867 00:54:44,748 --> 00:54:47,382 going into domestic houses 868 00:54:47,417 --> 00:54:50,319 armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, 869 00:54:50,354 --> 00:54:52,120 bashing down doors, 870 00:54:52,155 --> 00:54:56,792 quartering the household in a paramilitary fashion, 871 00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:58,760 shouting orders at one another. 872 00:54:58,795 --> 00:55:01,363 That's not ordinary police practice in New Zealand, is it? 873 00:55:01,398 --> 00:55:02,698 Or have I missed something? 874 00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:04,733 I think you've missed something. 875 00:55:04,768 --> 00:55:09,604 If the risk assessment is that there are firearms in the property, 876 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,374 the police will not execute that search warrant 877 00:55:12,409 --> 00:55:14,410 without armed police. 878 00:55:19,883 --> 00:55:24,086 [Andrew] When one reads the indictment of Megaupload, 879 00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:26,555 I notice that there were references 880 00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:29,525 to child pornography and terrorism. 881 00:55:30,927 --> 00:55:33,995 They do not have any relevance 882 00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:35,597 to a claim of copyright infringement, 883 00:55:35,632 --> 00:55:37,866 but that is part of the effort 884 00:55:37,901 --> 00:55:42,037 to paint the defendants as extremely dangerous 885 00:55:42,072 --> 00:55:44,606 and ugly and nasty persons. 886 00:55:44,641 --> 00:55:47,642 And that, Your Honors, one that I referred to. 887 00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:48,877 [Greg] They had a message. 888 00:55:48,912 --> 00:55:50,779 The guy is dangerous. 889 00:55:50,814 --> 00:55:52,447 He has weapons, 890 00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:56,151 and so everybody thought this Kim Dotcom guy 891 00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:58,687 is not just into piracy. 892 00:55:58,722 --> 00:56:02,424 They gave the impression that he was much more dangerous 893 00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:04,626 and there were other things that he might be into, 894 00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:07,596 and of course, that turned out to be a lie. 895 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,933 [Dotcom] One was taken at a resort 896 00:56:11,968 --> 00:56:15,871 called Cape Kidnappers in Napier, 897 00:56:15,906 --> 00:56:19,574 and I was there with my family for holiday, 898 00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:22,811 and we had an afternoon where we had clay shooting, 899 00:56:22,846 --> 00:56:26,815 and the other event was a similar occasion 900 00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,118 in Ireland over 10 years ago. 901 00:56:40,263 --> 00:56:43,065 [Mona] I was almost seven months pregnant. 902 00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:48,003 I was having contractions, but that was not my focus. 903 00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:49,604 I just thought to myself, 904 00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:51,173 "Oh, my God, the kids," 905 00:56:51,208 --> 00:56:54,209 'cause I could see the guys with their weapons, 906 00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:55,577 with their guns. 907 00:56:55,612 --> 00:56:57,112 How silly is that? 908 00:56:57,147 --> 00:57:00,148 So I was just like, "Can you please let me go to my kids?" 909 00:57:00,183 --> 00:57:01,961 They're like, "No, you just have to stand there." 910 00:57:01,985 --> 00:57:03,251 You have to stand there." 911 00:57:03,286 --> 00:57:05,187 I'm like, "I need to go to my kids." 912 00:57:05,222 --> 00:57:06,188 I need to see my kids. 913 00:57:06,223 --> 00:57:07,367 "Those are my kids in there." 914 00:57:07,391 --> 00:57:09,925 It's 'cause I was just worried that, you know, 915 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,661 they're gonna come in their room with their guns. 916 00:57:14,197 --> 00:57:15,964 [man] So you were relying upon 917 00:57:15,999 --> 00:57:17,466 the intelligence information 918 00:57:17,501 --> 00:57:20,068 which the FBI were providing to you? 919 00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:21,503 - Is that right? - Yes. 920 00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:24,940 [Ron] The FBI and the Department of Justice 921 00:57:24,975 --> 00:57:27,075 were involved from the very outset, 922 00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:29,011 and that's perhaps not surprising. 923 00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,681 What's surprising is how keen 924 00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:33,993 the New Zealand authorities were 925 00:57:34,017 --> 00:57:36,485 just to adopt what we assume to be 926 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,620 the recommendations from the FBI. 927 00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:43,124 [Fisher] When they went in fast and hard, 928 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,528 it was because the police were under the impression 929 00:57:46,563 --> 00:57:48,830 that there was this Doomsday device 930 00:57:48,865 --> 00:57:51,600 that was in the mansion somewhere that would, 931 00:57:51,635 --> 00:57:53,502 if activated, destroy evidence 932 00:57:53,537 --> 00:57:55,804 of wrongdoing anywhere in the world. 933 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,572 [man] What destruction devices? 934 00:57:57,607 --> 00:58:00,609 Well, the laptop and the iPhone 935 00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:02,054 or the PDA, whatever it was that was found. 936 00:58:02,078 --> 00:58:04,613 [man] They were not destruction devices, were they? 937 00:58:04,648 --> 00:58:07,048 What do you expect? A box with a red button on it? 938 00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:09,784 [dog barking] 939 00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:13,522 [Dotcom] The mission was to arrest me 940 00:58:13,557 --> 00:58:15,590 as quickly as possible 941 00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:17,826 so that I could not use any Doomsday device. 942 00:58:19,629 --> 00:58:21,997 In actuality, it took them 15 minutes 943 00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:23,999 to find me in my own house. 944 00:58:26,236 --> 00:58:28,904 There's never been any such device, and it was never found. 945 00:58:28,939 --> 00:58:31,006 It was all bullshit. 946 00:58:31,041 --> 00:58:32,941 [helicopter blades whirring] 947 00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:40,549 [man] I think that the rationale is clear. 948 00:58:40,584 --> 00:58:44,352 It was meant to send a message around the world. 949 00:58:44,387 --> 00:58:48,356 Don't mess with the United States on copyright issues. 950 00:58:48,391 --> 00:58:51,693 The only other raid that I can think of 951 00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:55,830 that sounds similar was the raid on Osama Bin Laden, 952 00:58:55,865 --> 00:59:02,704 and these are vastly different levels of importance. 953 00:59:04,908 --> 00:59:06,575 [Jimmy] You know, it sort of looked like 954 00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:08,843 you were taking down a South American dictator. 955 00:59:08,878 --> 00:59:10,612 [dog barking] 956 00:59:10,647 --> 00:59:11,947 I thought it was bizarre, 957 00:59:11,982 --> 00:59:13,359 and I thought it was also quite symptomatic 958 00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:17,319 of how we've gotten into such an extreme position 959 00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:18,853 around some of these issues. 960 00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:22,123 Things that I might not even agree with 961 00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:24,059 that Megaupload was doing, 962 00:59:24,094 --> 00:59:28,196 I think warrant proper address in court and so forth. 963 00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:30,031 It doesn't mean you need to send helicopters 964 00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:33,302 and masses of teams with machine guns and so on. 965 00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:45,814 [Dotcom] That's it. 966 00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:47,950 You just made history, man. 967 00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:52,087 It's fucking huge, man! 968 00:59:52,122 --> 00:59:55,056 [cheering] 969 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,057 Later. 970 00:59:56,092 --> 00:59:57,359 [indistinct murmuring] 971 00:59:57,394 --> 00:59:58,627 OK, bye. 972 01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:04,933 Oh man, this is good shit. 973 01:00:04,968 --> 01:00:06,101 [man] They fucked up! 974 01:00:06,136 --> 01:00:07,636 They fucked up. 975 01:00:07,671 --> 01:00:09,237 They fucked up. 976 01:00:09,272 --> 01:00:10,672 They fucked up. 977 01:00:10,707 --> 01:00:12,741 They fucked up. They fucked up. 978 01:00:17,414 --> 01:00:18,791 First tonight, a ruling in the past hour 979 01:00:18,815 --> 01:00:20,982 on the Kim Dotcom case 980 01:00:21,017 --> 01:00:23,295 as he fights FBI attempts to extradite him to the United States. 981 01:00:23,319 --> 01:00:25,197 [woman] A high court judge says search warrants 982 01:00:25,221 --> 01:00:28,757 for the Internet entrepreneur's Auckland mansion were illegal. 983 01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:30,859 [man] Justice Helen Winkleman has decided 984 01:00:30,894 --> 01:00:32,727 the warrants used were invalid. 985 01:00:32,762 --> 01:00:34,329 New Zealand police seized bank accounts 986 01:00:34,364 --> 01:00:35,930 on behalf of the FBI 987 01:00:35,965 --> 01:00:37,699 and took away property worth millions. 988 01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:39,734 Now they may have to give it all back. 989 01:00:39,769 --> 01:00:41,736 It's a damning judgment, illegal, 990 01:00:41,771 --> 01:00:43,405 unlawful, invalid. 991 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,907 Justice Winkleman doesn't hold back. 992 01:00:52,949 --> 01:00:54,916 [man] Embarrassed about this? I am, a wee bit. 993 01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:56,284 [woman] Ah, absolutely. 994 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:59,421 [man] That we appear to almost be puppets of the FBI. 995 01:00:59,456 --> 01:01:02,357 [Fisher] There was a feeling that the machinery of state 996 01:01:02,392 --> 01:01:04,059 had been exercised against Dotcom 997 01:01:04,094 --> 01:01:07,262 in a way that was unjust or unfair. 998 01:01:09,999 --> 01:01:11,766 [Bryce] Suddenly, New Zealanders saw 999 01:01:11,801 --> 01:01:13,501 that there was two sides to the story... 1000 01:01:13,536 --> 01:01:15,403 [man] I love you, Com! 1001 01:01:15,438 --> 01:01:17,817 [Bryce] ...and maybe this was the U.S. state bullying someone 1002 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,275 that was a spanner in the works of Hollywood productions. 1003 01:01:21,845 --> 01:01:23,845 [camera shutter clicking] 1004 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,248 [Bryce] Suddenly, people wanted to fight against injustice. 1005 01:01:27,283 --> 01:01:30,452 Suddenly, he became a cause celeb. 1006 01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:35,824 The war for the Internet has begun. 1007 01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:40,495 Hollywood is in control of politics. 1008 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:43,932 [Gabriella] There is huge contradictions in Kim Dotcom. 1009 01:01:43,967 --> 01:01:49,137 Even in the face of these huge legal battles he faces, 1010 01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:51,539 he seems to have a huge sense of humor 1011 01:01:51,574 --> 01:01:54,142 and likes to taunt the U.S. government. 1012 01:01:54,177 --> 01:01:57,779 ♪ What about free speech, Mr. President ♪ 1013 01:01:57,814 --> 01:01:59,547 Say hello to my little friend. 1014 01:01:59,582 --> 01:02:02,417 [people screaming] 1015 01:02:02,452 --> 01:02:05,787 [Gabriella] I think that playful attitude is one reason 1016 01:02:05,822 --> 01:02:08,022 that a lot of people who might otherwise be 1017 01:02:08,057 --> 01:02:10,091 really skeptical of what he's done, 1018 01:02:10,126 --> 01:02:13,328 knowing that, you know, the primary driving force 1019 01:02:13,363 --> 01:02:16,364 behind many of these companies is to make money, 1020 01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:19,100 nevertheless, kind of, can appreciate him. 1021 01:02:19,135 --> 01:02:22,771 ♪ We will make history ♪ 1022 01:02:22,806 --> 01:02:25,173 ♪ It starts with you ♪ 1023 01:02:30,847 --> 01:02:33,081 [Dotcom] It's quite interesting that a lobby group 1024 01:02:33,116 --> 01:02:35,183 around entertainment content 1025 01:02:35,218 --> 01:02:38,353 can get the White House to move against 1026 01:02:38,388 --> 01:02:41,222 an Internet nerd with military force. 1027 01:02:41,257 --> 01:02:42,468 I mean, think about that for a moment. 1028 01:02:42,492 --> 01:02:45,126 Isn't that... It's funny. 1029 01:02:45,161 --> 01:02:48,496 And none of it will change anything. 1030 01:02:48,531 --> 01:02:51,866 None of what they have done has changed anything 1031 01:02:51,901 --> 01:02:55,203 to alter the way the Internet works 1032 01:02:55,238 --> 01:02:57,505 or the levels of piracy. 1033 01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:00,141 When Megaupload shut down, 1034 01:03:00,176 --> 01:03:01,977 in the 18 weeks following that shutdown, 1035 01:03:04,247 --> 01:03:08,216 sales through legitimate outlets went up six to 10%, 1036 01:03:08,251 --> 01:03:09,818 and that's just one site. 1037 01:03:09,853 --> 01:03:12,053 It was one of the major sites at the time, 1038 01:03:12,088 --> 01:03:13,454 but that's just one site, 1039 01:03:13,489 --> 01:03:17,892 and you saw an uptake of use of legitimate sites 1040 01:03:17,927 --> 01:03:19,594 by an amount of six to 10%. 1041 01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:21,229 So that's a really significant amount 1042 01:03:21,264 --> 01:03:24,833 of impact on the legitimate market. 1043 01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:38,090 [Jimmy] You can't really trust the industry numbers 1044 01:03:38,114 --> 01:03:39,214 on that problem, 1045 01:03:39,249 --> 01:03:41,916 and you certainly can't trust 1046 01:03:41,951 --> 01:03:44,118 the industry's analysis and understanding 1047 01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:46,021 of the operation of the Internet. 1048 01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:49,390 One of the strongest drivers for piracy 1049 01:03:49,425 --> 01:03:50,870 is when people are hearing all this buzz 1050 01:03:50,894 --> 01:03:52,371 about something that really is fantastic, 1051 01:03:52,395 --> 01:03:54,996 but they can't get it legally in their country, 1052 01:03:55,031 --> 01:03:59,234 and then they turn illegally to download it. 1053 01:03:59,269 --> 01:04:01,069 Well, we may disapprove of that behavior, 1054 01:04:01,104 --> 01:04:02,937 but we can't stop that behavior, 1055 01:04:02,972 --> 01:04:04,617 and there's actually a very simple solution 1056 01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:07,508 that doesn't involve sending out S.W.A.T. teams. 1057 01:04:07,543 --> 01:04:10,345 It involves, "Hey, change your business policy." 1058 01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:12,413 Everything that you are selling in one country, 1059 01:04:12,448 --> 01:04:14,582 sell it in every country, 1060 01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,351 and if you don't, don't be surprised if people are pirating it. 1061 01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:23,157 [guns firing] 1062 01:04:23,192 --> 01:04:24,492 [Dotcom] I'm an avid gamer. 1063 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:28,997 I play Modern Warfare on Xbox, 1064 01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:34,002 and I noticed that my speed, my Internet speed, 1065 01:04:34,037 --> 01:04:37,205 went down by about 20, 30 milliseconds. 1066 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,274 [laughing] 1067 01:04:39,309 --> 01:04:41,142 And a normal Internet user 1068 01:04:41,177 --> 01:04:43,711 would never ever identify that, 1069 01:04:43,746 --> 01:04:47,148 but me being a competitive gamer, I noticed it, 1070 01:04:47,183 --> 01:04:50,251 and only after the raid did I figure out what happened. 1071 01:04:50,286 --> 01:04:52,720 They rerouted all my traffic 1072 01:04:52,755 --> 01:04:56,057 in a way that they could capture all my data 1073 01:04:56,092 --> 01:04:58,593 that went through my connection. 1074 01:05:07,403 --> 01:05:09,704 [man] During the high court hearings, 1075 01:05:09,739 --> 01:05:13,141 Grant Wormed was being cross examined, 1076 01:05:13,176 --> 01:05:16,244 and he was being asked about his notebook, 1077 01:05:17,547 --> 01:05:20,548 and he looked extremely awkward. 1078 01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:27,488 On the 14th of December, 2011, 1079 01:05:27,523 --> 01:05:29,457 was there a further meeting 1080 01:05:29,492 --> 01:05:33,494 that you attended to plan this operation 1081 01:05:33,529 --> 01:05:35,263 where there was a range of people there? 1082 01:05:35,298 --> 01:05:38,566 Someone from the Justice Department, was it? 1083 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:39,968 [Grant] Yes. 1084 01:05:40,003 --> 01:05:42,537 [Paul] And was there another group of people 1085 01:05:42,572 --> 01:05:44,472 represented as well at the meeting? 1086 01:05:44,507 --> 01:05:46,507 [Grant] Yes, there was. 1087 01:05:46,542 --> 01:05:54,282 What field of activity were they involved with? 1088 01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,185 They worked for the government. 1089 01:05:57,220 --> 01:05:59,187 Right. 1090 01:05:59,222 --> 01:06:01,456 Are you not able to tell us who they were? 1091 01:06:01,491 --> 01:06:02,724 I'd rather not. 1092 01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,227 [Paul] Reason? 1093 01:06:06,262 --> 01:06:10,332 Just because of the nature of the organization. 1094 01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:20,709 [indistinct murmuring] 1095 01:06:24,547 --> 01:06:27,181 [Fisher] It was clear that something 1096 01:06:27,216 --> 01:06:29,985 had gone horribly, horribly awry. 1097 01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:36,657 The intelligence agencies had somehow become involved 1098 01:06:36,692 --> 01:06:38,593 in the Megaupload case. 1099 01:06:45,301 --> 01:06:49,103 The GCSB, the Government Communication Security Bureau, 1100 01:06:49,138 --> 01:06:52,840 New Zealand's equivalent to the National Security Agency, 1101 01:06:52,875 --> 01:06:54,509 was spying on Dotcom. 1102 01:06:57,647 --> 01:06:59,514 It's also a part of the what's called 1103 01:06:59,549 --> 01:07:01,482 the Five Eyes arrangement. 1104 01:07:01,517 --> 01:07:06,054 The five eyes between them spy on the world. 1105 01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:08,390 The power that they have is immense. 1106 01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:12,427 [Glenn] Once Kim Dotcom was in New Zealand, 1107 01:07:12,462 --> 01:07:15,463 the U.S. began exploiting the relationship that they had 1108 01:07:15,498 --> 01:07:17,565 with the GCSB and the New Zealand Government 1109 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,500 to ensure that getting Kim Dotcom 1110 01:07:19,535 --> 01:07:21,803 became one of their principal priorities 1111 01:07:21,838 --> 01:07:24,605 to the point where they engaged 1112 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,241 in illegal surveillance to do so. 1113 01:07:29,579 --> 01:07:33,581 The GCSB is controlled by quite specific legislation 1114 01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:35,750 that says you're not allowed to spy 1115 01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:38,420 on New Zealand residents or citizens. 1116 01:07:47,363 --> 01:07:50,275 [Dotcom] There's something I'd really like to point out that is important for me. 1117 01:07:50,299 --> 01:07:53,468 When they tapped into my iPhone. 1118 01:07:53,503 --> 01:07:54,902 Because if that happens to you, 1119 01:07:54,937 --> 01:07:57,672 it alters the way you think completely. 1120 01:07:57,707 --> 01:08:03,878 You realize that it wasn't just my emails that they read. 1121 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:08,783 They were there when I was private with my wife. 1122 01:08:08,818 --> 01:08:11,853 They were right there. 1123 01:08:11,888 --> 01:08:15,723 They have no business doing that, to anybody, at all. 1124 01:08:20,496 --> 01:08:23,398 [Sean] I find that more than a little bit disturbing. 1125 01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,367 [bleating] 1126 01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:28,469 Is that a way the government is supposed to act 1127 01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:30,605 with communications monitoring? 1128 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,374 Are you supposed to be turning the antennas 1129 01:08:33,409 --> 01:08:37,411 that are meant to protect your country from outside threats 1130 01:08:37,446 --> 01:08:42,283 back on yourself for the prosecution 1131 01:08:42,318 --> 01:08:45,219 of what I'm not even sure in New Zealand 1132 01:08:45,254 --> 01:08:47,155 is necessarily a criminal act? 1133 01:08:54,664 --> 01:08:56,564 [man] Tonight, the Kim Dotcom affair 1134 01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:59,534 is leaving John Key's government increasingly red-faced. 1135 01:08:59,569 --> 01:09:02,870 [woman] The boss of the Intelligence Bureau, Prime Minister John Key, 1136 01:09:02,905 --> 01:09:06,774 has ordered a probe into illegal bugging of the Internet millionaire. 1137 01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:08,476 Of course, I apologize to Mr. Dotcom. 1138 01:09:08,511 --> 01:09:10,444 I apologize to New Zealanders 1139 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,847 because every New Zealander that sits within 1140 01:09:12,882 --> 01:09:15,783 the category of holding a permanent residency 1141 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:19,887 or a New Zealand citizen is entitled to be protected from the law. 1142 01:09:19,922 --> 01:09:24,992 This is really a matter of mistake and human error, 1143 01:09:25,027 --> 01:09:27,262 not one of a great conspiracy. 1144 01:09:33,803 --> 01:09:36,871 [Dotcom] ♪ I wish you A Mega Christmas ♪ 1145 01:09:38,441 --> 01:09:42,410 ♪ I wish you A Mega Christmas ♪ 1146 01:09:42,445 --> 01:09:46,914 ♪ I wish you A Mega Christmas ♪ 1147 01:09:46,949 --> 01:09:50,851 ♪ From Santa Dotcom ♪ 1148 01:09:50,886 --> 01:09:52,554 Shutting down the Internet. 1149 01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,702 [distorted male voice] Truth... 1150 01:10:03,566 --> 01:10:05,400 integrity... 1151 01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:09,204 knowledge... 1152 01:10:12,275 --> 01:10:13,474 independence. 1153 01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:17,745 [helicopter engine running] 1154 01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,314 [officer] This is a crime scene, an illegal gathering. 1155 01:10:20,349 --> 01:10:21,760 - [sirens wailing] - You are all being detained. 1156 01:10:21,784 --> 01:10:22,951 Nobody move. 1157 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,501 The four Megaupload accused did a remarkable thing 1158 01:10:40,536 --> 01:10:42,537 in the year after they were arrested. 1159 01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:45,607 They built a business called Mega. 1160 01:10:48,544 --> 01:10:51,546 [Dotcom] It is the launch of Mega. 1161 01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:58,586 - [audience applauding] - You are all upgraded. 1162 01:10:58,621 --> 01:11:00,788 [Dotcom laughing] 1163 01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:04,325 [Fisher] Dotcom says that he was motivated 1164 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,094 by a desire to create an encrypted cloud storage site 1165 01:11:07,129 --> 01:11:09,397 so that nobody could be spied on 1166 01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:11,899 in the way that he had been spied on. 1167 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:15,369 The U.S. government is investing billions 1168 01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,105 into massive spy-clouds 1169 01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:21,976 to capture all your data and communication. 1170 01:11:22,011 --> 01:11:26,380 By using Mega, you say no to governments 1171 01:11:26,415 --> 01:11:28,316 that want to spy on you. 1172 01:11:31,053 --> 01:11:32,987 [Fisher] Lord knows what's on there. 1173 01:11:33,022 --> 01:11:35,489 It could be copyrighted files. 1174 01:11:35,524 --> 01:11:39,327 It could be ISIS planning documents. It could be child porn. 1175 01:11:39,362 --> 01:11:41,395 It could be whatever it might be. 1176 01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:44,365 They've built it so that nobody can see inside. 1177 01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:52,006 [Dotcom] That, by the way, is also what's going to beat the surveillance state. 1178 01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:57,044 I will be one person that will be remembered 1179 01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,847 as somebody who has fought mass surveillance 1180 01:11:59,882 --> 01:12:03,785 with technology that gives you your freedom back. 1181 01:12:06,522 --> 01:12:09,390 [woman] The innermost workings of our top spy agency 1182 01:12:09,425 --> 01:12:12,460 have been exposed in a damning report. 1183 01:12:12,495 --> 01:12:14,995 Police have found the GCSB breaks a law 1184 01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:19,834 by spying on Kim Dotcom and 85 other New Zealanders. 1185 01:12:19,869 --> 01:12:22,403 [woman] Prime Minister Key's solution to the debacle 1186 01:12:22,438 --> 01:12:24,939 is to change the law, giving more power 1187 01:12:24,974 --> 01:12:27,174 to our top intelligence agency. 1188 01:12:27,209 --> 01:12:30,044 If passed, the law will permit the GCSB 1189 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,348 to now spy on all New Zealand citizens. 1190 01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:42,067 [people shouting] Kill the bill. 1191 01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:49,063 [crowd chanting] Kill the bill... 1192 01:12:55,971 --> 01:12:57,671 Thank you all for coming today. 1193 01:12:57,706 --> 01:12:58,706 [murmuring] 1194 01:13:01,777 --> 01:13:07,114 The U.S. government is the most power-hungry government out there, 1195 01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:10,151 and GCSB is one of the puppets 1196 01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:14,188 on the strings of the U.S. government, 1197 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:17,825 and the biggest puppet of them all is John Key, 1198 01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:18,860 your Prime Minister... 1199 01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:22,196 [crowd cheering] 1200 01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,065 And I will never settle my case. 1201 01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,602 I will fight until we know the truth, 1202 01:13:28,637 --> 01:13:30,871 until we know every single detail. 1203 01:13:30,906 --> 01:13:33,908 [crowd cheering] 1204 01:13:43,853 --> 01:13:45,820 [man] There were fireworks today at Parliament 1205 01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:49,690 as the Prime Minister John Key went head to head with Kim Dotcom. 1206 01:13:49,725 --> 01:13:52,226 The Internet tycoon was making a public submission 1207 01:13:52,261 --> 01:13:55,529 on the proposed changes to the country's spy laws. 1208 01:13:55,564 --> 01:13:58,065 [man] You feel that the... or do you know or believe 1209 01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,501 that the Prime Minister was aware 1210 01:14:00,536 --> 01:14:03,103 of what you were doing before the raid took place? 1211 01:14:03,138 --> 01:14:05,506 He knew about me before the raid. 1212 01:14:05,541 --> 01:14:06,774 I know about that. 1213 01:14:06,809 --> 01:14:07,986 [Prime Minister Key] I didn't, no. 1214 01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:10,778 [camera shutters clicking] 1215 01:14:10,813 --> 01:14:12,246 You know I know. 1216 01:14:12,281 --> 01:14:14,048 I know you don't know. 1217 01:14:14,083 --> 01:14:16,750 I know you don't know, actually, but that's fine. 1218 01:14:16,785 --> 01:14:18,652 Why are you turning red, Prime Minister? 1219 01:14:18,687 --> 01:14:20,788 I'm not. Why are you sweating? 1220 01:14:20,823 --> 01:14:22,590 - [Dotcom] It's hot. - Oh, OK. 1221 01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:24,925 - [people laughing] - I have a scarf. 1222 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,629 The question was if the Prime Minister knew about me before the raid, 1223 01:14:28,664 --> 01:14:30,598 and answer to that is yes. 1224 01:14:30,633 --> 01:14:33,000 [camera shutters clicking] 1225 01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:35,669 They gave me residency in New Zealand 1226 01:14:35,704 --> 01:14:37,805 for the purpose of extradition. 1227 01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:42,109 Warner Brothers was already in talks 1228 01:14:42,144 --> 01:14:43,711 with the New Zealand government 1229 01:14:43,746 --> 01:14:46,146 to shoot the Hobbit films here, 1230 01:14:46,181 --> 01:14:49,817 and we're talking about you know, triple digit million dollar budgets, 1231 01:14:49,852 --> 01:14:51,332 lots of opportunity for New Zealand. 1232 01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:59,560 So the Prime Minister has seen this as a double strike opportunity. 1233 01:14:59,595 --> 01:15:02,763 Number one, we can make these Hollywood studios happy 1234 01:15:02,798 --> 01:15:04,598 so they will shoot more movies here, 1235 01:15:04,633 --> 01:15:06,066 and on top of that, 1236 01:15:06,101 --> 01:15:07,801 we can please the White House, 1237 01:15:07,836 --> 01:15:12,006 because on the highest levels, they wanted me shut down. 1238 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:16,655 [Bryce] Certainly, there's a lot of evidence 1239 01:15:16,679 --> 01:15:20,181 that suggests that that conspiracy theory is true. 1240 01:15:38,901 --> 01:15:40,734 He was allowed to stay in the country 1241 01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:43,103 despite having a criminal past 1242 01:15:43,138 --> 01:15:45,706 which would normally preclude him from getting residency. 1243 01:15:45,741 --> 01:15:48,809 [camera shutters clicking] 1244 01:15:48,844 --> 01:15:50,711 This occurred at the same time 1245 01:15:50,746 --> 01:15:52,780 that the New Zealand Prime Minister John Key 1246 01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:54,582 was meeting with Hollywood officials. 1247 01:15:57,820 --> 01:15:59,698 [interviewer] Can I go through the list of people we believe 1248 01:15:59,722 --> 01:16:01,099 - knew about Kim Dotcom? - Yeah, sure. 1249 01:16:01,123 --> 01:16:03,357 - Simon Power and some officials. - Yep. 1250 01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,992 Jonathan Coleman and some officials, 1251 01:16:05,027 --> 01:16:06,594 the Solicitor General's office, 1252 01:16:06,629 --> 01:16:10,230 Crown Law, New Zealand Police, the Attorney General, 1253 01:16:10,265 --> 01:16:12,733 the Organized and Financial Crime Agency of New Zealand, 1254 01:16:12,768 --> 01:16:14,779 Nigel Bickle and an unknown number of people under him 1255 01:16:14,803 --> 01:16:16,837 at Immigration New Zealand, your electorate office, 1256 01:16:16,872 --> 01:16:18,617 Hillary Clinton, the U.S. Department of Justice, 1257 01:16:18,641 --> 01:16:21,208 the FBI, the U.S. Attorney General's office, 1258 01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:24,144 senior members of the U.S. police force, but not you. 1259 01:16:24,179 --> 01:16:26,714 Correct. I mean, look, I hate to tell you the bad news. 1260 01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:27,915 There's no great conspiracy. 1261 01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:31,218 The facts of life are that Dotcom 1262 01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:33,921 is someone the United States thinks had broken the law. 1263 01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:35,233 He's somebody that they're trying 1264 01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:37,191 to extradite to the United States. 1265 01:16:37,226 --> 01:16:38,693 That's where it starts and finishes. 1266 01:16:42,231 --> 01:16:44,298 [man] Kim Dotcom has failed in a last ditch attempt 1267 01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:45,899 to have the 2012 raid 1268 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:48,068 on his Coatesville mansion ruled invalid. 1269 01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:50,181 The Supreme Court's found the search warrants were legal. 1270 01:16:50,205 --> 01:16:51,750 [man] The police won't be charging anyone 1271 01:16:51,774 --> 01:16:54,274 at the GCSB in relation to a complaint 1272 01:16:54,309 --> 01:16:56,410 about spying on Kim Dotcom. 1273 01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:07,121 [Dotcom] Every time we win, they appeal. 1274 01:17:07,156 --> 01:17:08,389 It's a default. 1275 01:17:10,025 --> 01:17:12,926 We win. They appeal. 1276 01:17:12,961 --> 01:17:16,030 And, you know, every time they appeal, they win. 1277 01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:21,268 It's all very political. 1278 01:17:42,124 --> 01:17:44,659 [birds chirping] 1279 01:17:48,363 --> 01:17:52,233 [indistinct murmuring] 1280 01:17:58,741 --> 01:18:00,174 Hello, good morning. 1281 01:18:01,276 --> 01:18:02,977 Thank you all for coming. 1282 01:18:04,046 --> 01:18:05,212 Today is a big day. 1283 01:18:06,749 --> 01:18:09,983 We're launching the Internet Party. 1284 01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:11,485 [camera shutters clicking] 1285 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:16,857 [Fisher] I couldn't believe it. 1286 01:18:16,892 --> 01:18:19,293 "I said to Dotcom," Are you really gonna do it, then? 1287 01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:21,295 Are you gonna go into politics?" 1288 01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:22,930 And he said, "Yeah." 1289 01:18:22,965 --> 01:18:25,933 And I thought, "God, you've lost it. 1290 01:18:25,968 --> 01:18:27,468 That's completely mad." 1291 01:18:29,938 --> 01:18:32,740 [Dotcom] I couldn't care less about politics. Are you kidding me? 1292 01:18:32,775 --> 01:18:34,408 Why would I get involved, you know? 1293 01:18:34,443 --> 01:18:36,443 And then I found out all these things. 1294 01:18:36,478 --> 01:18:39,012 Firsthand, being abused, 1295 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:42,082 being subject to the abuse of power. 1296 01:18:42,117 --> 01:18:45,152 Yeah, of course. I wanted to replace the government. 1297 01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:47,922 Why else would I do it, you know? 1298 01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:53,794 [Fisher] For Mathias Ortmann, Bram van der Kolk, 1299 01:18:53,829 --> 01:18:56,964 Finn Batato, I think that Dotcom's involvement 1300 01:18:56,999 --> 01:19:01,168 in politics was a sideshow and a distraction. 1301 01:19:01,203 --> 01:19:04,138 They struggled to see how it was going to stop 1302 01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:06,907 an extradition process that was under way, 1303 01:19:06,942 --> 01:19:08,876 how it was going to change the charges 1304 01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:10,945 that they might face in the United States. 1305 01:19:22,624 --> 01:19:25,126 [indistinct chatter] 1306 01:19:27,596 --> 01:19:31,766 We are a part of this Five Eyes global spy network. 1307 01:19:37,206 --> 01:19:38,605 Thank you, guys. 1308 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,241 [Mona] Kim is always the super confident, 1309 01:19:41,276 --> 01:19:45,245 and I'm always the one worrying. 1310 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,849 But still, I'm a woman. I would worry, of course. 1311 01:19:48,884 --> 01:19:50,984 That's my thing. I'm a worry wart. 1312 01:19:51,019 --> 01:19:52,019 [indistinct chatter] 1313 01:19:53,956 --> 01:19:57,224 [Mona] You're still kinda, like, left hanging. 1314 01:19:57,259 --> 01:19:59,993 Like, I don't even know what's gonna happen six months from now. 1315 01:20:00,028 --> 01:20:01,895 Like, Kim's hearing is still going on. 1316 01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:03,264 I just don't know. 1317 01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:07,100 I think the whole stress really got to me, 1318 01:20:07,135 --> 01:20:09,236 and, you know, the raid, of course, was part of it. 1319 01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:14,275 We were really happy before, you know. Yeah. 1320 01:20:20,115 --> 01:20:22,583 [Dotcom] Mona had great difficulty dealing with the raid. 1321 01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:26,520 She struggled with it, 1322 01:20:26,555 --> 01:20:29,857 and it affected our relationship. 1323 01:20:29,892 --> 01:20:32,593 That's probably the most regrettable outcome 1324 01:20:32,628 --> 01:20:35,329 of this whole case against me, 1325 01:20:35,364 --> 01:20:38,098 that our relationship fell apart. 1326 01:20:41,336 --> 01:20:43,504 She was the love of my life. 1327 01:20:59,955 --> 01:21:03,090 [Bryce] It became apparent as the election year of 2014 1328 01:21:03,125 --> 01:21:07,194 was rolling on that the Internet party was not going to succeed, 1329 01:21:07,229 --> 01:21:09,263 so Dotcom started to look around for alliances. 1330 01:21:12,968 --> 01:21:15,569 The party that was willing to work with him 1331 01:21:15,604 --> 01:21:17,237 was the Mana party, 1332 01:21:17,272 --> 01:21:21,174 which had a more left wing and activist base. 1333 01:21:21,209 --> 01:21:22,910 [woman] Kim Dotcom has told One News 1334 01:21:22,945 --> 01:21:25,412 he's now forked out a whopping $4 million 1335 01:21:25,447 --> 01:21:27,247 for the deal with the Mana party. 1336 01:21:27,282 --> 01:21:30,017 Kim Dotcom has a particular legal interest 1337 01:21:30,052 --> 01:21:32,486 in not being sent back to justice elsewhere. 1338 01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:34,922 [Prime Minister Key] Everybody knows that Kim Dotcom 1339 01:21:34,957 --> 01:21:36,957 is putting money behind the political party 1340 01:21:36,992 --> 01:21:39,627 to try and stop himself from being extradited. 1341 01:21:44,032 --> 01:21:47,067 [child] Is Kim Dotcom that big fellow? 1342 01:21:47,102 --> 01:21:48,680 [Fisher] It was important for the Mana party 1343 01:21:48,704 --> 01:21:52,172 to be able to introduce its new political partner 1344 01:21:52,207 --> 01:21:54,341 to its constituency. 1345 01:21:54,376 --> 01:21:56,443 [speaking in foreign language] 1346 01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:00,213 [Fisher] Town by town... 1347 01:22:00,248 --> 01:22:01,982 [yelling] 1348 01:22:02,017 --> 01:22:03,583 Marae by marae, 1349 01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:05,986 they would go down the country. 1350 01:22:06,021 --> 01:22:07,121 [crowd cheering] 1351 01:22:19,234 --> 01:22:23,337 [Bryce] Everyone was quite surprised at how successful they were. 1352 01:22:23,372 --> 01:22:27,407 People took them seriously and wondered whether they would play 1353 01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:29,443 an important part in a new government. 1354 01:22:31,313 --> 01:22:33,247 And the media reported everything they did. 1355 01:22:35,317 --> 01:22:39,619 I'm not sure that Internet Mana handled that scrutiny very well. 1356 01:22:39,654 --> 01:22:41,154 You work in news. 1357 01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:43,190 You puffed-up little [bleep] 1358 01:22:43,225 --> 01:22:44,591 You're a thief! 1359 01:22:44,626 --> 01:22:46,693 You're a thief, John Key. 1360 01:22:46,728 --> 01:22:48,562 [yelling] 1361 01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:51,598 [Fisher] The Internet Mana road show had aspects 1362 01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:55,335 that appeared to be targeting John Key personally. 1363 01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:58,672 Are you ready for a revolution? 1364 01:22:58,707 --> 01:23:00,307 [crowd cheering] 1365 01:23:00,342 --> 01:23:03,410 Are you ready to extradite John Key? 1366 01:23:03,445 --> 01:23:06,179 [crowd cheering] 1367 01:23:06,214 --> 01:23:08,315 [all chanting] Fuck John Key. 1368 01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:10,183 Fuck John Key. 1369 01:23:10,218 --> 01:23:13,153 Fuck John Key. 1370 01:23:13,188 --> 01:23:16,289 [man] Attacks on John Key have hit new heights this campaign... 1371 01:23:16,324 --> 01:23:18,492 [crowd cheering] 1372 01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:21,661 This effigy burning the latest online outrage. 1373 01:23:21,696 --> 01:23:23,230 [man] Fuck John Key. 1374 01:23:23,265 --> 01:23:25,532 [Fisher] It was probably the nastiest election 1375 01:23:25,567 --> 01:23:29,302 that New Zealand has seen if not for many, many decades, then forever. 1376 01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:31,772 [man] Fuck John Key! 1377 01:23:31,807 --> 01:23:34,508 [man] Kim Dotcom has promised to drop a number of bombshells 1378 01:23:34,543 --> 01:23:36,610 that could topple the Prime Minister John Key 1379 01:23:36,645 --> 01:23:40,147 at an upcoming event billed "The Moment of Truth." 1380 01:23:54,162 --> 01:23:56,274 [Fisher] The day that the Moment of Truth was to be held, 1381 01:23:56,298 --> 01:23:59,166 I'd received an email 1382 01:23:59,201 --> 01:24:03,303 which purported to show 1383 01:24:03,338 --> 01:24:09,309 that everything Dotcom had said about the conspiracy was true, 1384 01:24:09,344 --> 01:24:12,246 that New Zealand served him up on a plate. 1385 01:24:13,682 --> 01:24:16,149 So I rang Dotcom, and I said, 1386 01:24:16,184 --> 01:24:19,352 "Is this what you're gonna be pulling out at the Moment of Truth tonight?" 1387 01:24:19,387 --> 01:24:20,654 And he said, "Yes, it is." 1388 01:24:34,436 --> 01:24:37,104 [man] So what kind of impact could there be from all this tonight? 1389 01:24:37,139 --> 01:24:39,673 [man 2] Well, it is... these are extraordinary revelations 1390 01:24:39,708 --> 01:24:43,410 to be laid out five days before a campaign. 1391 01:24:43,445 --> 01:24:45,879 John Key is fighting really for his political life. 1392 01:24:45,914 --> 01:24:47,914 Remember, he has said he would resign 1393 01:24:47,949 --> 01:24:50,550 if there was any evidence to show mass surveillance, 1394 01:24:50,585 --> 01:24:53,720 and of course we also have this email on the Hollywood links. 1395 01:24:55,423 --> 01:24:58,325 [indistinct] Come on, give him a kiss, ladies. 1396 01:25:11,706 --> 01:25:13,640 [Fisher] The Moment of Truth for John Key 1397 01:25:13,675 --> 01:25:16,343 would've been a high risk scenario 1398 01:25:16,378 --> 01:25:19,679 because the two things that Dotcom had promised to produce 1399 01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,781 were things that he said he was gonna resign 1400 01:25:21,816 --> 01:25:23,317 if they turned out to be the case. 1401 01:25:28,456 --> 01:25:29,656 [Dotcom laughing] 1402 01:25:29,691 --> 01:25:32,759 [woman] Tonight, we welcome the world 1403 01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:36,396 and to extend the welcome of Aotearoa 1404 01:25:36,431 --> 01:25:38,798 to Glenn Greenwald... 1405 01:25:38,833 --> 01:25:41,568 [crowd cheering] 1406 01:25:46,474 --> 01:25:48,842 Julian Assange. 1407 01:25:48,877 --> 01:25:51,778 [crowd cheering] 1408 01:25:55,383 --> 01:25:57,317 Welcome, Edward Snowden. 1409 01:25:57,352 --> 01:25:59,920 [crowd cheering] 1410 01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,661 [Snowden] Hello, New Zealand. 1411 01:26:09,965 --> 01:26:15,268 [Fisher] The U.S. has this war for control of the Internet, 1412 01:26:15,303 --> 01:26:17,604 and it is a war. 1413 01:26:17,639 --> 01:26:20,640 They don't feel that there should be an organization like Wikileaks. 1414 01:26:20,675 --> 01:26:23,910 They believe that the spying that they do should be kept secret. 1415 01:26:23,945 --> 01:26:26,947 They believe that when it comes to copyright, 1416 01:26:26,982 --> 01:26:29,716 the approach that they have 1417 01:26:29,751 --> 01:26:31,785 should radiate out across the world. 1418 01:26:33,655 --> 01:26:36,690 What we saw there in that town hall, 1419 01:26:36,725 --> 01:26:37,758 that was the resistance. 1420 01:26:40,295 --> 01:26:42,862 [Snowden] You've got this network of sensors around the world, 1421 01:26:42,897 --> 01:26:44,598 so I can see everything. 1422 01:26:44,633 --> 01:26:47,767 I can see what book you looked at at Amazon.com. 1423 01:26:47,802 --> 01:26:49,436 I can see who you talk to. 1424 01:26:49,471 --> 01:26:51,671 I can see who your friends on Facebook are. 1425 01:26:51,706 --> 01:26:53,940 I can see the text messages you sent. 1426 01:26:53,975 --> 01:26:57,811 I can read the emails you wrote, and I can set up things 1427 01:26:57,846 --> 01:26:59,846 [Glenn] ...exactly the kind of mass surveillance 1428 01:26:59,881 --> 01:27:03,950 that Prime Minister Key not only vehemently denied was being done, 1429 01:27:03,985 --> 01:27:06,253 but which he promised he would resign 1430 01:27:06,288 --> 01:27:10,591 if it were determined his government were actually engaged with. 1431 01:27:11,793 --> 01:27:13,860 [Julian] Further, intelligence agencies 1432 01:27:13,895 --> 01:27:17,998 by definition are designed to operate 1433 01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:20,000 outside the law, 1434 01:27:20,035 --> 01:27:22,435 and so they cannot be trusted. 1435 01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:24,938 [Fisher] No matter what Assange or Snowden were gonna say, 1436 01:27:27,309 --> 01:27:31,645 Dotcom was still the emperor with new clothes. 1437 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,614 He hadn't produced the thing that he had pledged that he would, 1438 01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:36,689 that he had been talking about for ever so long... 1439 01:27:43,825 --> 01:27:47,327 and that was a real problem for Dotcom 1440 01:27:47,362 --> 01:27:49,562 and for pretty much anybody 1441 01:27:49,597 --> 01:27:51,765 that had backed him up until that point. 1442 01:27:54,736 --> 01:27:57,003 [man] What people have been waiting for tonight 1443 01:27:57,038 --> 01:27:59,406 is when Kim Dotcom came to the parliament 1444 01:27:59,441 --> 01:28:02,876 and said that he would prove that John Key was a liar, 1445 01:28:02,911 --> 01:28:05,345 - tonight, we're, excuse me... - [man 2] Which he did. 1446 01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:08,515 [Dotcom] Which I did, absolutely... 1447 01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:10,684 No, about knowing about you before the raid. 1448 01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,819 And let me just reply to this, OK? 1449 01:28:12,854 --> 01:28:16,690 I think, and I want to address all media here tonight. 1450 01:28:16,725 --> 01:28:19,092 You have an obligation 1451 01:28:19,127 --> 01:28:22,462 after what you have learned tonight 1452 01:28:22,497 --> 01:28:26,766 to take the information that you were told here 1453 01:28:26,801 --> 01:28:29,336 by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden 1454 01:28:29,371 --> 01:28:32,072 to the Prime Minister and this government 1455 01:28:32,107 --> 01:28:34,074 and hold them accountable. 1456 01:28:34,109 --> 01:28:37,377 We have focused on the much bigger lie, 1457 01:28:37,412 --> 01:28:38,912 which is not about my case, 1458 01:28:38,947 --> 01:28:42,415 which is about every single New Zealander 1459 01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:45,518 who is subjected to mass surveillance. 1460 01:28:45,553 --> 01:28:48,021 That is the story that you should focus on. 1461 01:28:48,056 --> 01:28:49,622 Get your priorities right. 1462 01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:50,924 [Patrick] We will. We will... 1463 01:28:50,959 --> 01:28:52,392 I hope you will, 1464 01:28:52,427 --> 01:28:55,128 because in the past, Patrick, 1465 01:28:55,163 --> 01:28:57,030 you have let New Zealanders down. 1466 01:28:57,065 --> 01:28:59,999 I don't understand how you let the Prime Minister 1467 01:29:00,034 --> 01:29:01,935 get away time and time again 1468 01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:03,903 with his lies and his spin. 1469 01:29:03,938 --> 01:29:05,171 You need to do your job, 1470 01:29:05,206 --> 01:29:07,440 and everyone here needs to do their job. 1471 01:29:07,475 --> 01:29:09,709 [Patrick] I'm doing my job by asking you. 1472 01:29:09,744 --> 01:29:12,579 Kim Dotcom, what's gone wrong? Kim Dotcom, what's gone wrong? 1473 01:29:12,614 --> 01:29:14,381 Why couldn't you front the evidence tonight? 1474 01:29:14,416 --> 01:29:16,716 - What's gone wrong? - I think that's it. 1475 01:29:16,751 --> 01:29:18,418 Thank you, thank you very much. 1476 01:29:18,453 --> 01:29:24,190 [indistinct murmuring] 1477 01:29:24,225 --> 01:29:27,594 [Dotcom] That email, I know it comes from hacker circles. 1478 01:29:27,629 --> 01:29:30,163 You know about the famous Sony hack. 1479 01:29:30,198 --> 01:29:32,999 The same people who were responsible for that 1480 01:29:33,034 --> 01:29:36,770 were responsible for this hack. 1481 01:29:36,805 --> 01:29:41,908 I was assured that that email would contain headers, 1482 01:29:41,943 --> 01:29:46,546 which is what allows you to identify all the details. 1483 01:29:46,581 --> 01:29:48,548 You know, what mail server was used, 1484 01:29:48,583 --> 01:29:51,017 the date stamps that would have allowed anyone 1485 01:29:51,052 --> 01:29:53,420 to verify the contents, 1486 01:29:53,455 --> 01:29:55,132 but unfortunately the email was not leaked 1487 01:29:55,156 --> 01:29:59,192 with that information, so it became useless for me. Yeah. 1488 01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:04,030 And I regret that I could not use it in the event. 1489 01:30:09,971 --> 01:30:11,749 [man] [murmuring] and welcome to Decision '14. 1490 01:30:11,773 --> 01:30:13,473 The campaign is over. 1491 01:30:13,508 --> 01:30:17,610 The voting is over, and the counting has begun. 1492 01:30:17,645 --> 01:30:19,023 Now, politics is very serious business. 1493 01:30:19,047 --> 01:30:20,747 This has been a fairly serious, 1494 01:30:20,782 --> 01:30:22,782 and at times thoroughly unpleasant, campaign. 1495 01:30:22,817 --> 01:30:24,884 [indistinct chatter] 1496 01:30:24,919 --> 01:30:28,154 Now will be hoping that they've got something to celebrate tonight. 1497 01:30:28,189 --> 01:30:31,157 [crowd cheering] 1498 01:30:31,192 --> 01:30:32,892 [Bryce] Right at the start, 1499 01:30:32,927 --> 01:30:34,961 there was quite a swelling of support for Dotcom 1500 01:30:34,996 --> 01:30:38,198 because they saw him as someone that had been the victim 1501 01:30:38,233 --> 01:30:41,968 of the big Goliaths of the U.S., FBI, 1502 01:30:42,003 --> 01:30:45,638 the New Zealand Police, but suddenly he was seen 1503 01:30:45,673 --> 01:30:47,140 as a more aggressive player, 1504 01:30:47,175 --> 01:30:50,177 and it was John Key that was the underdog. 1505 01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:56,494 [man] The Internet Mana party is in trouble. 1506 01:30:56,518 --> 01:30:57,962 [woman] Oh, my goodness, in the last 20 minutes, 1507 01:30:57,986 --> 01:31:00,553 it's all completely changed out here. 1508 01:31:00,588 --> 01:31:04,090 [man] This is phenomenal. What we are seeing here is the Internet Mana alliance 1509 01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:06,059 is not in Parliament, 1510 01:31:06,094 --> 01:31:09,295 and Kim Dotcom's millions and millions of dollars goes down the drain. 1511 01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:12,031 [camera shutters clicking] 1512 01:31:12,066 --> 01:31:15,802 [crowd whistling] 1513 01:31:15,837 --> 01:31:17,504 [cheering and clapping] 1514 01:31:17,539 --> 01:31:19,706 Good evening, everybody. 1515 01:31:20,808 --> 01:31:24,010 We lost tonight because of me. 1516 01:31:24,045 --> 01:31:26,880 [crowd] No. No! No. 1517 01:31:26,915 --> 01:31:29,082 I take... I have to say this. 1518 01:31:29,117 --> 01:31:30,650 I have to say it. I am sorry. 1519 01:31:30,685 --> 01:31:32,585 [woman] It's how the media portrayed you! 1520 01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:34,821 I'm... I'm really sorry I have to say this. 1521 01:31:34,856 --> 01:31:36,623 I have to say this. 1522 01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:38,825 I take full responsibility 1523 01:31:39,827 --> 01:31:41,561 for this loss tonight 1524 01:31:41,596 --> 01:31:47,967 because the brand... the brand Kim Dotcom was poison 1525 01:31:48,002 --> 01:31:50,336 for what we were trying to achieve, 1526 01:31:50,371 --> 01:31:52,972 and I did not see that before, 1527 01:31:53,007 --> 01:31:57,043 and it only became apparent to me in the last couple of weeks. 1528 01:31:57,078 --> 01:32:01,981 So to all of you who have worked so hard, 1529 01:32:02,016 --> 01:32:04,350 I say, thank you very much. 1530 01:32:04,385 --> 01:32:08,121 [crowd cheering and clapping] 1531 01:32:10,358 --> 01:32:11,991 [man] Three more years. 1532 01:32:12,026 --> 01:32:14,928 [crowd cheering] 1533 01:32:21,135 --> 01:32:23,537 [bird chirping] 1534 01:32:24,906 --> 01:32:27,140 [fluttering] 1535 01:32:29,277 --> 01:32:32,212 [machine whirring] 1536 01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:44,857 [Dotcom] The day after the election, 1537 01:32:44,892 --> 01:32:47,627 the Solicitor General of New Zealand 1538 01:32:47,662 --> 01:32:50,063 has approached my lawyers and asking 1539 01:32:50,098 --> 01:32:53,066 if I was willing to leave New Zealand, 1540 01:32:53,101 --> 01:32:55,368 the case would be resolved. 1541 01:32:57,405 --> 01:33:00,106 There wouldn't have to be an extradition, 1542 01:33:00,141 --> 01:33:03,009 and this whole thing could go away. 1543 01:33:05,113 --> 01:33:09,015 You don't do a raid like this 1544 01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:14,654 and destroy a man's family and his business 1545 01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:17,156 and cause so much pain 1546 01:33:17,191 --> 01:33:20,259 and get away with it with some piece of paper 1547 01:33:20,294 --> 01:33:22,261 that says, "Yeah, I've done something wrong", 1548 01:33:22,296 --> 01:33:25,131 but now I am free. Thank you very much." 1549 01:33:25,166 --> 01:33:26,666 Well, fuck them. 1550 01:33:31,305 --> 01:33:34,274 [metal clattering] 1551 01:33:41,115 --> 01:33:43,149 [reporter] After four and a half years of delays, 1552 01:33:43,184 --> 01:33:44,851 the extradition hearing 1553 01:33:44,886 --> 01:33:47,887 against Kim Dotcom and the Megaupload co-accused 1554 01:33:47,922 --> 01:33:49,689 starts in Auckland, New Zealand today. 1555 01:33:51,926 --> 01:33:53,804 The Judge will determine whether the four men will be free 1556 01:33:53,828 --> 01:33:55,228 to remain in New Zealand 1557 01:33:55,263 --> 01:33:58,064 or whether they will be sent to the U.S., 1558 01:33:58,099 --> 01:34:00,700 where they could face decades in prison. 1559 01:34:03,337 --> 01:34:06,806 This is cited as the largest copyright case 1560 01:34:06,841 --> 01:34:08,842 that our world has ever seen. 1561 01:34:11,045 --> 01:34:14,347 We still think we should win, and we are hopeful that we will. 1562 01:34:14,382 --> 01:34:15,982 We are. 1563 01:34:16,017 --> 01:34:17,928 Are you worried about what the decision might be? 1564 01:34:17,952 --> 01:34:20,019 Please don't fall, OK? Be careful there. 1565 01:34:20,054 --> 01:34:22,255 [Dotcom] I am very confident in my legal team. 1566 01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:24,457 All our submissions are excellent. 1567 01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:28,995 Any unbiased legal mind is going to see 1568 01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:30,830 what has happened here. 1569 01:34:41,776 --> 01:34:43,142 [Ron] The case is really important 1570 01:34:43,177 --> 01:34:45,178 because it raises important legal issues 1571 01:34:45,213 --> 01:34:49,082 in relation to the extradition process, 1572 01:34:49,117 --> 01:34:52,151 but first, they've got to show that the conduct they complain of 1573 01:34:52,186 --> 01:34:54,887 is, in fact, a crime. 1574 01:34:54,922 --> 01:34:59,826 We say, look, what you allege on the facts is not a crime. 1575 01:34:59,861 --> 01:35:03,162 And Your Honor will see that there is a specific piece of legislation 1576 01:35:03,197 --> 01:35:05,064 called the Copyright Act, 1577 01:35:05,099 --> 01:35:11,304 and it provides protection for Internet Service Providers. 1578 01:35:11,339 --> 01:35:13,873 Simply providing that technology 1579 01:35:13,908 --> 01:35:18,344 to its users does not expose a company 1580 01:35:18,379 --> 01:35:21,114 to civil or criminal liability. 1581 01:35:23,785 --> 01:35:25,351 [Greg] They seem very confident. 1582 01:35:25,386 --> 01:35:27,420 They always point to the same things. 1583 01:35:27,455 --> 01:35:31,190 There's nothing in New Zealand-U.S. treaty that covers copyright, 1584 01:35:31,225 --> 01:35:33,526 and they think that they're gonna win. 1585 01:35:33,561 --> 01:35:36,562 OK. Miss Gordon. 1586 01:35:36,597 --> 01:35:41,100 The dishonesty at the core of Megaupload's operations 1587 01:35:41,135 --> 01:35:44,270 may be expressed in straightforward terms. 1588 01:35:44,305 --> 01:35:48,742 The evidence boils down to a simple scheme of fraud, 1589 01:35:50,044 --> 01:35:54,213 not a passive dumb pipe service provider, 1590 01:35:54,248 --> 01:35:58,584 but a massive hard drive of infringing material. 1591 01:35:58,619 --> 01:36:02,855 [Greg] Christine Gordon represents the United States of America. 1592 01:36:02,890 --> 01:36:06,225 She has to be, I'm sure, tutored by the DOJ, 1593 01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:09,295 and the United States has gotten 1594 01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:13,065 every ounce of effort out of her. 1595 01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,501 We have some good glimpses of how the respondents 1596 01:36:15,536 --> 01:36:17,970 thought and acted behind the scenes. 1597 01:36:18,005 --> 01:36:21,508 We have some highly revealing communications between them. 1598 01:36:23,477 --> 01:36:26,045 As Mr. Ortmann privately put it, 1599 01:36:27,048 --> 01:36:28,348 copyright owners would find, 1600 01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:32,552 and these are his words that now follow. 1601 01:36:32,587 --> 01:36:36,856 "We are not the dumb pipe we claim to be." 1602 01:36:36,891 --> 01:36:40,359 Bram van der Kolk marveled at the position they had attained, 1603 01:36:40,394 --> 01:36:43,162 and these are his words: 1604 01:36:43,197 --> 01:36:47,633 "If copyright holders would really know how big our business is," 1605 01:36:47,668 --> 01:36:51,037 they would surely try to do something against it. 1606 01:36:52,473 --> 01:36:55,174 They have no idea that we are making millions 1607 01:36:55,209 --> 01:36:57,143 "in profit each month." 1608 01:36:59,447 --> 01:37:01,981 Ortmann told van der Kolk, 1609 01:37:02,016 --> 01:37:04,050 and these are Mr. Ortmann's words: 1610 01:37:05,386 --> 01:37:08,454 "We did some things right. 1611 01:37:08,489 --> 01:37:12,025 We allowed fraud for a long time, fueling our growth." 1612 01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:25,138 [Greg] I was startled. 1613 01:37:26,574 --> 01:37:28,341 I mean, the whole court shuts up. 1614 01:37:28,376 --> 01:37:31,177 Everybody stops because they're startling. 1615 01:37:32,947 --> 01:37:36,916 [Christine] On or about August 16, 2010, via Skype, 1616 01:37:36,951 --> 01:37:41,687 Dotcom told Ortmann in German, Mr. Dotcom's words: 1617 01:37:41,722 --> 01:37:46,592 "At some point, a judge will be convinced about how evil we are, 1618 01:37:46,627 --> 01:37:48,228 and then we're in trouble." 1619 01:37:49,630 --> 01:37:54,066 [man] Objectively translated, it should read, 1620 01:37:54,101 --> 01:37:55,601 "Because at some stage," 1621 01:37:55,636 --> 01:38:00,339 a judge will be talked into how bad we allegedly are, 1622 01:38:00,374 --> 01:38:02,975 "and then it will be a mess." 1623 01:38:03,010 --> 01:38:06,012 The United States had the ability to select 1624 01:38:06,047 --> 01:38:08,114 what evidence it wanted to present, 1625 01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:10,049 and we sat and cherry-picked it. 1626 01:38:10,084 --> 01:38:12,318 It was very selective and biased 1627 01:38:12,353 --> 01:38:15,955 about the evidence it picked and placed before our court, 1628 01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:18,302 and a lot of the conversations were also in a foreign language. 1629 01:38:18,326 --> 01:38:20,159 They were in German, 1630 01:38:20,194 --> 01:38:22,995 and as a result, the United States relied on translations 1631 01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:27,099 which we were able to show were incorrect and, in fact, misleading. 1632 01:38:27,134 --> 01:38:31,370 Your Honor should also have received this morning 1633 01:38:31,405 --> 01:38:33,539 a bundle that looks like this. 1634 01:38:33,574 --> 01:38:38,077 Part of section 101(B) is set out in the submissions at page 65. 1635 01:38:38,112 --> 01:38:40,713 [man] It's the 21 October red bundle, sir. 1636 01:38:43,017 --> 01:38:46,319 [Dotcom] And you need to understand that this judge was spammed 1637 01:38:46,354 --> 01:38:49,622 with thousands of pages of submissions 1638 01:38:49,657 --> 01:38:51,657 by the U.S. government. 1639 01:38:51,692 --> 01:38:56,662 They basically drowned him in material, 1640 01:38:56,697 --> 01:39:01,067 and I knew he didn't understand anything about the case. 1641 01:39:01,102 --> 01:39:06,072 He had no clue about the Internet, about copyright. 1642 01:39:06,107 --> 01:39:08,307 At one point in one hearing, 1643 01:39:08,342 --> 01:39:11,477 he asked if Mega was cow storage? 1644 01:39:11,512 --> 01:39:14,080 Not cloud storage, cow storage. 1645 01:39:16,817 --> 01:39:19,218 [Ron] It was a pretty frustrating hearing. 1646 01:39:19,253 --> 01:39:22,588 We had prepared over many hours, 1647 01:39:22,623 --> 01:39:27,226 and we had committed significant human and financial resources 1648 01:39:27,261 --> 01:39:28,661 into mounting what we thought was 1649 01:39:28,696 --> 01:39:31,697 a very credible defense to extradition, 1650 01:39:31,732 --> 01:39:34,100 and most of our arguments were marginalized 1651 01:39:34,135 --> 01:39:35,735 or not even considered by the court. 1652 01:39:58,092 --> 01:40:00,126 [Judge] The overwhelming preponderance of evidence 1653 01:40:00,161 --> 01:40:01,560 produced by the applicant 1654 01:40:01,595 --> 01:40:03,829 in the Record of Case and its supplements 1655 01:40:03,864 --> 01:40:05,631 establishes a prima facie case 1656 01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:08,334 to answer for all respondents on each of the counts. 1657 01:40:10,704 --> 01:40:12,671 The decision has found that all four respondents 1658 01:40:12,706 --> 01:40:15,274 are all eligible for extradition. 1659 01:40:15,309 --> 01:40:19,245 Therefore, the sentence... [indistinct] 1660 01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,595 [man] Time has passed by Megaupload. 1661 01:41:11,699 --> 01:41:13,410 There's always gonna be people who wanna pirate, 1662 01:41:13,434 --> 01:41:14,711 and there's always gonna be these services, 1663 01:41:14,735 --> 01:41:16,102 but are they gonna be mainstream? 1664 01:41:16,137 --> 01:41:17,570 I would argue no. 1665 01:41:22,176 --> 01:41:24,376 Piracy is in decline. 1666 01:41:24,411 --> 01:41:26,812 But, they told us all along, the tech side said, 1667 01:41:26,847 --> 01:41:28,380 "Hey, if you make it easy" 1668 01:41:28,415 --> 01:41:30,583 to get our hands on at a cheap price, 1669 01:41:30,618 --> 01:41:32,818 it's easily accessible, 1670 01:41:32,853 --> 01:41:36,388 "there's not gonna be any piracy," and that's what they did. 1671 01:41:36,423 --> 01:41:38,191 They've gotten the message. 1672 01:41:41,896 --> 01:41:44,663 [Greg] What good is it to throw him in jail now? 1673 01:41:44,698 --> 01:41:46,398 Find out what the guy knows. 1674 01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:48,200 Make a partnership with him. 1675 01:41:48,235 --> 01:41:50,169 You got his money, 1676 01:41:50,204 --> 01:41:52,838 and I'd say the smart move is, right, like the godfather. 1677 01:41:52,873 --> 01:41:54,484 Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. 1678 01:41:54,508 --> 01:41:55,708 They should be doing that. 1679 01:41:55,743 --> 01:41:57,710 While we have perfectly good reason 1680 01:41:57,745 --> 01:42:00,913 to want to prevent piracy of content 1681 01:42:00,948 --> 01:42:04,316 and allow artists and the companies that support them 1682 01:42:04,351 --> 01:42:06,952 that make a profit off of what they do, 1683 01:42:06,987 --> 01:42:08,587 the mechanisms that we're using 1684 01:42:08,622 --> 01:42:10,256 to try and enforce these things 1685 01:42:10,291 --> 01:42:12,625 are also mechanisms for censorship 1686 01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:16,362 and for oppression of freedom of thought, 1687 01:42:16,397 --> 01:42:19,565 and it's a slippery slope. 1688 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:20,866 That's a dangerous thing. 1689 01:42:20,901 --> 01:42:22,802 [seagulls squawking] 1690 01:42:31,712 --> 01:42:33,552 [Dotcom] It's not about what's right any more. 1691 01:42:33,581 --> 01:42:36,882 It's about winning at all cost. 1692 01:42:36,917 --> 01:42:39,919 They wanna drag me down. 1693 01:42:39,954 --> 01:42:42,688 To win, that's all that matters to them, 1694 01:42:42,723 --> 01:42:44,256 but they picked the wrong guy 1695 01:42:44,291 --> 01:42:45,925 because you can't drag me down, 1696 01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:46,960 and I will win. 1697 01:43:20,728 --> 01:43:22,394 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1698 01:43:22,429 --> 01:43:24,697 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1699 01:43:26,433 --> 01:43:27,933 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1700 01:43:27,968 --> 01:43:30,870 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1701 01:43:31,939 --> 01:43:33,472 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1702 01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:35,908 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1703 01:43:37,645 --> 01:43:39,011 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1704 01:43:39,046 --> 01:43:41,714 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1705 01:43:43,384 --> 01:43:44,883 ♪ I know you don't love me ♪ 1706 01:43:44,918 --> 01:43:48,854 ♪ But you don't have To be so cruel ♪ 1707 01:43:48,889 --> 01:43:50,589 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1708 01:43:50,624 --> 01:43:54,893 ♪ But you don't have To be so cruel ♪ 1709 01:43:54,928 --> 01:43:59,232 ♪ Treat me like A lowdown stupid fool ♪ 1710 01:44:00,601 --> 01:44:04,770 ♪ Treat me like A lowdown stupid fool ♪ 1711 01:44:06,707 --> 01:44:09,575 ♪ Was letting go ♪ 1712 01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:12,344 ♪ Just sing a song ♪ 1713 01:44:12,379 --> 01:44:15,281 ♪ And now it's over ♪ 1714 01:44:15,316 --> 01:44:16,982 ♪ Call off the line ♪ 1715 01:44:17,017 --> 01:44:18,684 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1716 01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:21,320 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1717 01:44:22,723 --> 01:44:24,390 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1718 01:44:24,425 --> 01:44:27,260 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1719 01:44:28,529 --> 01:44:29,895 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1720 01:44:29,930 --> 01:44:32,732 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1721 01:44:34,034 --> 01:44:35,567 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1722 01:44:35,602 --> 01:44:38,271 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1723 01:44:39,673 --> 01:44:41,340 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1724 01:44:41,375 --> 01:44:43,809 ♪ But you don't have To be so bad ♪ 1725 01:44:45,379 --> 01:44:46,879 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1726 01:44:46,914 --> 01:44:49,715 ♪ But you don't have To be so bad ♪ 1727 01:44:51,051 --> 01:44:52,584 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1728 01:44:52,619 --> 01:44:55,454 ♪ The worst thing You ever had ♪ 1729 01:44:56,690 --> 01:44:58,057 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1730 01:44:58,092 --> 01:45:01,027 ♪ The worst thing You ever had ♪ 1731 01:45:02,996 --> 01:45:05,664 ♪ I'm so alone ♪ 1732 01:45:05,699 --> 01:45:09,068 ♪ Like I'm gonna die ♪ 1733 01:45:09,103 --> 01:45:11,036 ♪ Just so sad ♪ 1734 01:45:11,071 --> 01:45:12,037 ♪ I cry ♪ 1735 01:45:12,072 --> 01:45:13,672 ♪ I cry ♪ 1736 01:45:13,707 --> 01:45:15,374 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1737 01:45:15,409 --> 01:45:17,677 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1738 01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:20,746 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1739 01:45:20,781 --> 01:45:23,582 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1740 01:45:24,918 --> 01:45:26,452 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1741 01:45:26,487 --> 01:45:29,388 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1742 01:45:30,591 --> 01:45:31,957 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1743 01:45:31,992 --> 01:45:34,627 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1744 01:45:59,987 --> 01:46:02,488 ♪ Oh sweetness ♪ 1745 01:46:02,523 --> 01:46:05,524 ♪ My love and more ♪ 1746 01:46:05,559 --> 01:46:07,693 ♪ Please don't go ♪ 1747 01:46:07,728 --> 01:46:10,162 ♪ Oh please don't go ♪ 1748 01:46:10,197 --> 01:46:11,864 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1749 01:46:11,899 --> 01:46:14,433 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1750 01:46:15,869 --> 01:46:17,536 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1751 01:46:17,571 --> 01:46:20,139 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1752 01:46:21,508 --> 01:46:22,875 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1753 01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:25,511 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1754 01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,614 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1755 01:46:28,649 --> 01:46:31,384 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1756 01:46:32,586 --> 01:46:34,086 ♪ I know you don't love me ♪ 1757 01:46:34,121 --> 01:46:36,822 ♪ Well you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1758 01:46:38,225 --> 01:46:39,892 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1759 01:46:39,927 --> 01:46:42,561 ♪ But you don't have to be so mean ♪ 1760 01:46:44,031 --> 01:46:45,564 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1761 01:46:45,599 --> 01:46:48,534 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1762 01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:51,136 ♪ Treat me like ♪ 1763 01:46:51,171 --> 01:46:53,839 ♪ The worst thing You ever seen ♪ 1764 01:46:55,242 --> 01:46:56,909 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1765 01:46:56,944 --> 01:46:59,645 ♪ But you don't have to be so mean ♪ 1766 01:47:00,848 --> 01:47:02,514 ♪ I know you don't love me ♪ 1767 01:47:02,549 --> 01:47:05,484 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1768 01:47:06,653 --> 01:47:08,153 ♪ I know you don't love me ♪ 1769 01:47:08,188 --> 01:47:10,723 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1770 01:47:12,125 --> 01:47:13,792 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1771 01:47:13,827 --> 01:47:16,429 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1772 01:47:17,831 --> 01:47:19,498 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1773 01:47:19,533 --> 01:47:21,901 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 1774 01:47:23,303 --> 01:47:24,970 ♪ I know You don't love me ♪ 1775 01:47:25,005 --> 01:47:27,440 ♪ But you don't have To be so mean ♪ 144972

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