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[Dotcom] It's really like a Hollywood
script. That's how I see it.
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This whole thing is a live movie
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that's playing out for, like,
four and half years already,
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and I'm the main act.
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Ridiculous.
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[Annie] So what about the notion of
being innocent until proven guilty?
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Yeah, exactly,
where did that go?
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You know?
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Guilty until we say he's guilty,
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you know, which is now.
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I mean, it's crazy.
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[indistinct murmuring
through radio]
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[birds chirping]
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[ducks quacking]
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[horse whinnying]
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[Alan] As local people, we just
knew there was a very large house.
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Because the house itself
was not easily seen,
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it became more noticeable
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when they started building
the stone wall,
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which pretty much surrounds it.
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[France] And there wereall sorts of rumors about
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who was gonna move into it,
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and our favorite one was
that it was Tom Cruise
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who was gonna put
a Scientology center there.
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We thought that would be
kind of exciting.
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[electronic beeping]
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[computer keys clacking]
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[Alan] This person turned up who
had changed his name to Dotcom,
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and we just thought, well,
that was fascinating,
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but otherwise, I mean,
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it's not as if we saw him
walking along the street.
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[Wendy]
Then the cameras went up.
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I don't know whether there were
listening devices on the end,
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but I always wondered
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whether we were being
listened to or watched.
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It didn't mesh very well
with the community.
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And then, there was a little bit
more digging into the background.
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And then it was, "Oh, my God, who's
just landed in Coatesville?"
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So I started looking into who
our new neighbor was gonna be,
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and I went onto
all sorts of websites.
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And the more I looked into it,
the more frightened I became
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of what kind of person was gonna
be coming into our community.
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[indistinct murmuring]
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[computer keys clacking]
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[helicopter engine running]
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[man through radio] Ground unit,
gates are opened.
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[reporter] Top story this hour.
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New Zealand is at the center of one of world's
biggest Internet piracy investigations.
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Police conducted dawn raids
on behalf of the FBI.
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Kim Dotcom, the founder
of massive file-sharing site.
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Megaupload was...
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[woman] The notorious Dr. Evil
of the information highway.
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[speaking Danish]
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[man] Some sayhe's a criminal master mind,
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others, an online innovator,
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but he has to be
the most wanted man online.
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[computer keys clacking]
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[man speaking German]
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[Dotcom] I was a hacker.
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Hackers were wizards.
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Any kind of system,
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any kind of network,
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you know, a hacker right away
identifies weaknesses...
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[electronic beeping]
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And I'm really good at that.
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[speaking German]
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[Fisher] Kim Schmitz wasn't the
only identity that he assumed.
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He became Kimble,
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styling himself after Richard
Kimble from The Fugitive.
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He claimed that
he'd hacked into the Pentagon,
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that he had reduced the credit ratings
of world leaders down to zero.
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[Mike] You know, there wereall these stories,
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and some people
didn't believe them.
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They did seem sort of
very fantastic in some ways.
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They seemed sort of, you know,
the sort of Hollywood version
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of what a hacker must be.
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My impression was that,
you know, it was someone
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who seemed to be
bragging quite a bit
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for someone who's clearly breaking
the law in certain cases.
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[sirens wailing]
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[Fisher] All the other things
that he did were about reputation
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and learning how stuff worked.
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The thing that
he was convicted for,
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that was a very obvious
criminal enterprise.
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It was a scam using phone cards
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that would then generate cash
that would be Dotcom's.
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[dial tone lingering]
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And he got caught.
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[bells chiming]
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[footsteps]
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[Dotcom] The judge rightfully
ruled that, you know,
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I should get a two-year
probation sentence,
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and he also said that
there was an important factor
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which was
my youthful foolishness.
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Not understanding enough
at my young age
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you know, that
I shouldn't have done this.
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But it actually
launched my career.
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[keyboard keys clacking]
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[Sean] That arrest actually
helped him boost his reputation.
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[speaking in German]
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[Sean]
He set up this whole business
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around the idea of
protecting companies
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from hackers like him,
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and when you're dealing with
businesses that really don't have
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any sort of computer security
expertise internally,
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that's a really good
business to be in
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because you can say anything.
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[man speaks in German]
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[laughing]
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[computer keys clacking]
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[Sean] He used his hacker
mythos to build his credibility
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as this security guy.
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I do know that his reputation
that he built up
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by the things he said he did
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allowed him to get
investment from people
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and to build up his company.
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[Dotcom] All my life,I've been an innovator,
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and all my life, I've
been a little bit ahead
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of what everyone else was doing.
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In the data security space,
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we were one of
the first companies
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to create firewalls that
alert you of a hacker attack.
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[distorted male voice]
MegaCar.com.
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[Dotcom]
When no one was thinking
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about computers and cars,
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I created the MegaCar,
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real time video conferencing
from a car,
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that was driving on the
highway at 200 miles an hour.
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You know, all these things
I thought about early on,
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you know, and again
patented it and sold it.
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[speaking in German]
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[Schmidt] Kim Schmitz.
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[audience clapping and cheering]
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[Sean] He did everything he could
to exude this new image of himself
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as this hyper successful hacker
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to really turn everything
about his personal life
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into a promotion for
his professional life.
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[speaking in German]
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[audience laughing and clapping]
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He has this weird appearance
of the big guy
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with this black suit,
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and then, he is just nice,
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nice like a nice bear
to cuddle with.
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He wrote me
an email and asked me,
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"Well, I see you like
motor-sports."
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Why don't you come? We're
having a weekend in Monaco,
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Formula One race weekend.
Why don't you come?
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I invite you
and your girlfriend,
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"and let's have a party,
and I can meet you."
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He likes the music
we do with the band,
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and me as a character,
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and I said, "That's interesting,"
and he got me there.
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[car engine running]
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♪ Yeah, pump
Pump, pump a little ♪
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♪ Pump, pump
Pump, pump a little ♪
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[man speaking German]
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♪ Pump, pump Pump a little ♪
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♪ Pump, pump Pump a little ♪
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[singing in a foreign language]
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[continue speaking German]
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[Michael] He uses allthese status symbols,
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cars, girls and being together
with celebrities like myself,
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but he is not. He himself
doesn't really act like that.
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Everybody is having champagne.
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"Hey, have champagne,"
and all the girls,
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but there is no girl on his lap,
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and he doesn't drink alcohol.
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And he probably feels that
it makes himself likable
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when he's in this picture 'cause people
like girls and champagne and stars.
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[speaking German]
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[man speaking German]
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[Dotcom] I wasa complicated child.
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My mum and I
went through hard times
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with my father,
who was an alcoholic.
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This guy broke my mother's bones
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and hit me many times
and was just evil
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when he was drinking.
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He's the reason why
I've never drank any alcohol
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'cause I saw firsthand
what that stuff can do to you.
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[ship horn blowing]
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[fishing cord whirring]
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[Dotcom] After the divorce, my
mum, even though times were tough,
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she tried to find ways
to get me my first computer.
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Once I had my computer,
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for me, school was
a waste of time.
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I wanna learn about computers.
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I wanna learn about the future.
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[Fisher] LetsBuylt.com isan online marketplace,
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very early version of
Amazon, if you will.
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Dotcom had talked of his plans
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to invest a large amount
of money into LetsBuylt.
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When he said
he was going to do that,
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the share price took off.
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It was ramped massively,
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and then he sold his shares.
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[indistinct voice over PA]
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[Dotcom] I was in Thailandbecause I was on a holiday...
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[camera shutter clicks]
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And it didn't take long
for some people
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that didn't like my attitude,
my lifestyle,
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to make allegations that
there's something fishy here,
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and then the government started an
investigation around insider trading.
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And they arrested me,
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and they took me
to a Thai prison,
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the worst living conditions that I
have ever experienced in my life.
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And the embassy people arrive,
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"and they say," Look,
if you want to leave,
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we can give you
a travel document.
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"You can fly back to Germany."
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[indistinct murmuring]
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And of course I agreed.
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[murmuring]
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[Fisher] The way thatGerman authorities recast it,
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they had to go to
Thailand to drag him back.
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Dotcom would have it that
he came back willingly
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to face the charges.
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[murmuring]
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[Dotcom] In the end,I agreed to a plea bargain.
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[people speaking German]
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[Dotcom] I simply didn't want
to deal with it anymore.
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I wanted to leave Germany behind
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and start a new life
somewhere else.
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[Sean] If there is any
place in the world
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that is left as sort of
the edge of business,
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of finance, of legality...
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It's a wild west sort of town.
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Hong Kong is
all about capitalism.
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Companies start there daily
and disappear the next day.
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It was both at
the center of the world
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and on its edge.
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He felt it was
really easy to restart
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what he was trying to do in Germany,
there, without much oversight.
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[robotic voice]
Welcome to the Kimpire.
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Using a PC to download music
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is one of the hottest of
today's computer trends,
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and that has the recording
companies up in arms
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and heading to court.
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Members of
the entertainment industry
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are fighting new websites
like Napster
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which allow you
to download music
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off of the Internet
free of charge.
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[man]
It's a surprisingly simple idea
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known as file-sharing.
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Napster is providing
a service that give people
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the opportunity to
steal our music.
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[Greg] It startedwith the music industry.
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They were no longer in charge
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of how they
distributed their wares
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because we had Napster.
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If it was digitized,
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then you could copy it and
send it across the globe.
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Any one person could do that.
256
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When I wanted something
special, a certain song,
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I couldn't find it. I couldn't
buy it in a record store,
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and I couldn't order it.
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I just went online
and got it from Napster
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or from some other dark
corner in the Internet.
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It was a little en vogue.
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It was a little radical.
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Everybody did this in
this transition times
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when the legal market,
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legal online market,
started to establish.
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In that time,
everybody did this.
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[Moby] Every aspect ofmusic has changed,
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how it's consumed,
how it's disseminated,
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how it's marketed.
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It's this shifting climate,
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and the old guard's
trying to hold on
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and penalize anyone who impedes
their revenue streams.
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So they had these crazy lawsuits
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against suburban housewives
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who had downloaded
illegally 20 songs,
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you know, trying to like sue
them for millions of dollars.
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Well, I don't think this
is about record companies.
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I think this is about
whether or not people
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who create music,
and invest in music,
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have a right to get paid.
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The record companies
never gave a damn
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about the artist anyway.
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95% of them have problems
retrieving their money
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from the major corporations
anyway.
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Four major corporations,
four of them,
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and Hilary is fighting
to protect them.
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[man] Ms. Rosen, isn't this strictly
about your profits and your money?
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[Hilary] Well, it's abouteverybody's profits and money.
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[siren ringing]
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[Lawrence] Originally the
film industry was quite naive
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in believing that
they were immune
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because they thought, you know,
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we've got two gigabyte,
three gigabyte files,
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and if you're sharing those,
you know, on dial-up modems,
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it would take days to download.
296
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But, of course,
in the current state,
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it's trivial to download
that kind of content.
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And so that industry
is threatened as well,
299
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and the business model
of that industry
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is very different from music.
301
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You know,
when you get access to music,
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you want a song
that if you like it,
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you're gonna listen to it
a thousand times.
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If you watch a movie,
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it's not likely you're gonna
watch it two or three times.
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So they had a stronger
reason to be anxious
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that people not get access
to their movie
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and to bleed
the potential revenue.
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You can copy on a digital
format 10,000 copies,
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and the ten thousandth copy
is as pure and pristine
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as the original.
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If you allow that,
you don't have copyright
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to protect you on the Internet,
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we're dead.
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[Greg]
They had no understanding.
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The music industry
had been decimated.
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The film industry
had the same problem.
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They didn't understand
what was coming
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until things had already
gotten out of hand.
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[yelling]
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As you can see, 250,
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this is the Gumball speed,
ladies and gentlemen.
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[car engines running]
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[Fisher] Gumball Rally is where
the richest car nuts in the world
325
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get together to cover thousands
of miles across Europe.
326
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Dotcom treated it
like it was a race
327
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because he likes
to win everything.
328
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This is the winner.
329
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This is the winner.
330
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I've been a hacker
in my early years,
331
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and then I started...
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[Dotcom voiceover] You know,
always when I was there,
333
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there were videos made about it,
334
00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:04,875
and I wanted to share them
with my friends.
335
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And I could not because
the files were too big
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to send via email.
337
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And I was like, well,
let's create a site
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where you can upload a file,
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and then instead of
emailing the file,
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you just email the link.
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And no matter
how large the file is,
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people can download it,
and problem solved.
343
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That's how it started.
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[camera shutter clicks]
345
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At the time Megaupload
really took off,
346
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we were a relatively small team
of developers.
347
00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:54,892
There are not many people
that I know
348
00:24:54,927 --> 00:24:58,562
that I can call
a genius, but Mathias is.
349
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,267
He was the brains
behind the code.
350
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He is really a genius.
351
00:25:07,072 --> 00:25:08,238
[camera shutter clicks]
352
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[Finn] Bram was kind ofa fan of Kim
353
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because of his Gumball racing,
354
00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:15,646
and I think that way they met
355
00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:18,949
because he said, "You know,
I can... I'm a coder too."
356
00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,217
Can I do something for you?"
357
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,922
I was not part of
the founding members.
358
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I met him at a club in Munich.
359
00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,695
[camera shutter clicks]
360
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:34,298
Kim got in touch with me
because Megaupload grew,
361
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:39,202
and there was a need for
marketing and advertising.
362
00:25:39,237 --> 00:25:41,939
So because we knew each
other, and he trusted me.
363
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:51,949
[Aram] There was this boom in
remote storage locker services
364
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that people were using
for both infringing
365
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,186
and non-infringing purposes
366
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:59,189
to store information in
what we now call the cloud.
367
00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:01,992
I guess you could really say
368
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,261
that Megaupload was
among the innovators
369
00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:07,898
of consumer cloud services.
370
00:26:07,933 --> 00:26:10,034
Certainly the interface design
was dead simple.
371
00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,604
[Julie]
As we talk about Megaupload,
372
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we're gonna be talking
a lot about music and films,
373
00:26:15,707 --> 00:26:16,840
but it's not just that.
374
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:20,043
Academic research, data sets...
375
00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:22,012
This is the promise of
the Internet, right?
376
00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:25,349
That across the globe we can share
access to all of this stuff,
377
00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:27,317
and build upon it and share it,
378
00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:29,119
and that's really,
really amazing.
379
00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:31,254
And that's
the underlying technology
380
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:34,324
of cloud computing
that Megaupload used
381
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,826
that's really so exciting.
382
00:26:40,732 --> 00:26:42,032
[Finn] There was a high demand.
383
00:26:42,067 --> 00:26:43,267
We had crazy rates of growth.
384
00:26:46,004 --> 00:26:48,338
Say you have a million
visitors on your website,
385
00:26:48,373 --> 00:26:52,042
and every user
that came to our website
386
00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:54,712
is potentially
advertising income.
387
00:26:59,084 --> 00:27:01,184
[Dotcom] It doubled in sizealmost every month,
388
00:27:01,219 --> 00:27:03,086
and we needed to
get new servers,
389
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:06,290
more bandwidth, new servers,
more bandwidth.
390
00:27:09,494 --> 00:27:11,962
I was surprised.
391
00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:15,732
I was so surprised
that something simple
392
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:19,436
would grow into
such proportions,
393
00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:23,207
but I also immediately
understood its potential.
394
00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:29,179
Now, whether Dotcom ever envisioned
what it was gonna turn into,
395
00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:31,382
I don't know, but users did.
396
00:27:35,854 --> 00:27:37,287
Once users could see
397
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:41,058
the latest Hollywood movies
on Megaupload,
398
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:44,061
the use of the site exploded.
399
00:27:46,364 --> 00:27:49,032
[Jonathan] They would Googlea movie they wanted to see
400
00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:51,368
or a song they wanted to hear.
401
00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:53,937
It would be one of the top hits.
402
00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,338
They'd click on the link,
403
00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:57,340
and, oh yeah, I guess
I'm at Megaupload,
404
00:27:57,375 --> 00:28:01,178
and by the way, if you want
it to go faster, pay here.
405
00:28:01,213 --> 00:28:02,913
Then they would pay there,
406
00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:05,415
and get a premium account
and have it go faster.
407
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:08,051
So it actually,
it was very well designed
408
00:28:08,086 --> 00:28:10,220
to attract people who
weren't even thinking
409
00:28:10,255 --> 00:28:12,789
one way or the other
about legal, illegal.
410
00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:14,157
They just wanted
to see the movie
411
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,393
and were happy to pay
somebody for the privilege,
412
00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:18,929
and a company like Kim Dotcom's
was cashing the checks.
413
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:22,799
[keyboard keys clacking]
414
00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:26,737
A girlfriend, I saw her watching
Mad Men on her computer,
415
00:28:26,772 --> 00:28:29,773
and I'm like,
"Where did you get that?"
416
00:28:29,808 --> 00:28:33,043
And she's all like, "Megaupload,"
and I'm like, "What is that?"
417
00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:36,179
And she told me that
Megaupload was the in place
418
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:37,447
at the University of Kansas,
419
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:39,816
where she had just
graduated earlier,
420
00:28:39,851 --> 00:28:41,485
to find free movies.
421
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,919
How did you hear about it?
422
00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:45,355
She said
her 63-year-old professor
423
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,859
at the University of Kansas
turned her on to Megaupload.
424
00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:52,229
And then I was like,
this is big.
425
00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:54,331
They're essentially
streaming to you,
426
00:28:54,366 --> 00:28:56,833
and it was easy.
427
00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,970
If they make this
this simple to do,
428
00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:03,273
this means
it could go mainstream.
429
00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:14,251
[Dotcom] I was travelinga lot in Asia,
430
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:17,421
and I was in
the Philippines at a disco,
431
00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:22,960
and I saw Mona dancing
on the dance floor.
432
00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:27,197
And she immediately
caught my eye
433
00:29:27,232 --> 00:29:29,032
because she is
so incredibly beautiful.
434
00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:37,240
I was a bit shy,
so I sent my PA to go to Mona
435
00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:39,176
and ask her if
she wants to join us.
436
00:29:40,478 --> 00:29:44,114
He was just this guy
sitting alone in the corner.
437
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:47,351
So it's like, why is
no one talking to him?
438
00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:50,554
I thought we really connected.
439
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:55,292
We both grew up in a tough life,
440
00:29:55,327 --> 00:29:59,229
but, yeah, we were just friends.
441
00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,565
[Dotcom] I just knew thatI wanted to be with her.
442
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,567
Look at me. [Laughing]
443
00:30:03,602 --> 00:30:05,936
I'm not a supermodel, right?
444
00:30:07,572 --> 00:30:11,074
And now we are going
to the Tower de Eiffel.
445
00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:15,011
So I have to spend
extra time and extra work
446
00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:19,016
to get someone to fall for me,
447
00:30:21,386 --> 00:30:22,919
but she ultimately did,
448
00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:24,621
and we were really
happy together.
449
00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:27,291
[birds chirping]
450
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,911
We went on a holiday
to New Zealand,
451
00:30:47,946 --> 00:30:49,586
and we just fell in love
with the place.
452
00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:58,488
Run for your lives.
453
00:30:58,523 --> 00:30:59,489
[indistinct murmuring]
454
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:00,690
[child] Bye bye.
455
00:31:00,725 --> 00:31:02,392
[man] What's happening?
456
00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:05,395
OK, we are up here
on the hill at Coatesville.
457
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,998
This is our house.
458
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,634
We found that house
in Coatesville
459
00:31:13,438 --> 00:31:15,305
and we just made that
our second home.
460
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,340
Yeah.
461
00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:22,012
[Fisher] Megaupload was huge,
462
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:27,484
and there were tens of
millions of dollars coming in.
463
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,489
At that time, he was largely
unknown in New Zealand.
464
00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:36,459
He was a reclusive, wealthy
foreigner who was living
465
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:40,297
in the grandest house
in the land.
466
00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,569
[helicopter engine running]
467
00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:49,039
[man] Now forthe biggest fireworks display
468
00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:51,107
ever seen in New Zealand,
469
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:53,977
a gift from Mr. Kim Dotcom
470
00:31:54,012 --> 00:31:57,314
as he hovers up here
over our beautiful harbor.
471
00:31:57,349 --> 00:31:59,349
Happy New Year, Auckland.
472
00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:01,218
Happy New Year.
473
00:32:06,624 --> 00:32:10,193
[rockets whistling]
474
00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:13,263
[Fisher]
Dotcom had a very slow entry
475
00:32:13,298 --> 00:32:14,298
into New Zealand life,
476
00:32:16,368 --> 00:32:19,569
but then, he spent about
a half million dollars
477
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,404
on that fireworks display.
478
00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,674
[cheering]
479
00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:30,480
That was a celebration
of getting his residency.
480
00:32:30,515 --> 00:32:32,449
[cheering]
481
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:39,289
[newsreader] These thieves
are now migrating offshore,
482
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,690
locating themselves in places
483
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,460
that're beyond
the jurisdiction of U.S. courts.
484
00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:45,362
And so we need to come up
with a mechanism
485
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:46,629
to protect our jobs
486
00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:48,631
and protect
the intellectual property
487
00:32:48,666 --> 00:32:50,767
by going after those sites
488
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,435
or those search engines
489
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:56,106
that allow these illegal
criminal foreign sites to exist.
490
00:32:56,141 --> 00:33:00,043
[birds chirping]
491
00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:03,680
[Fisher] Dotcom had a planto list Megaupload.
492
00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,448
He wanted to float the company,
493
00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,985
and he reckoned it was worth
about two billion dollars.
494
00:33:10,088 --> 00:33:12,222
This is next level stuff.
495
00:33:17,362 --> 00:33:21,164
[Dotcom] We wanted to
launch several new sites.
496
00:33:21,199 --> 00:33:24,100
One of them was Megamovies,
497
00:33:24,135 --> 00:33:26,336
which was a Netflix competitor,
498
00:33:26,371 --> 00:33:29,272
and the aim was
to license content
499
00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:31,041
from the big studios.
500
00:33:32,477 --> 00:33:35,078
We have Megabox.
501
00:33:35,113 --> 00:33:37,480
It would give the artist
90% of the earnings.
502
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,315
It would give them
an online platform
503
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:44,054
where they can sell
directly to their fan base.
504
00:33:44,089 --> 00:33:49,659
Because we were thinking about how can
we reinvent this whole copyright model?
505
00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:51,494
How can we make it work
506
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:55,398
for the artists
and creators directly?
507
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:57,511
[man] Kim was definitely talking
about new business models
508
00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,170
that he was working on and new
services that he was working on.
509
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,638
And you got this idea that
510
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:04,074
like many other platforms
that started out
511
00:34:04,109 --> 00:34:07,477
as being very focused on
kind of infringing uses,
512
00:34:07,512 --> 00:34:09,879
a legitimate and authorized
business model
513
00:34:09,914 --> 00:34:11,548
might actually come out of it.
514
00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,420
[man] This technology is liveand in place now, correct?
515
00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:19,089
[Dotcom] Yes, that's correct.
516
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,191
[man] I will happily doa deal with you guys,
517
00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:22,725
not an issue.
518
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,495
[Dotcom] Amazing, great,I'm happy to hear that.
519
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:28,731
We have gotten a lot
of fire from everyone,
520
00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:32,268
you know, in
the content industry for,
521
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:34,370
you know, Megaupload.
522
00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:37,340
[man] There are certain peopleI can have conversations with
523
00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,410
where you'll be moved
onto a different list
524
00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:43,313
- as opposed to a bad list.
- [Dotcom laughing]
525
00:34:43,348 --> 00:34:46,649
If it would be
from evil to neutral,
526
00:34:46,684 --> 00:34:48,818
and then later from
neutral to good,
527
00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:50,620
I think that would be fair.
528
00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,689
- [man] That, we can do that.
- [Dotcom] OK, good.
529
00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:56,637
[Masnick] One of the thingsthat I thought was,
530
00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:59,262
maybe this was the sign
that Megaupload was making
531
00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:02,332
that sort of shift
to a legitimate platform.
532
00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:05,146
The movie industry
did not react that way.
533
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:06,836
I think they sort
of freaked out.
534
00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:10,273
They don't go past this whole,
"There's infringement.
535
00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:11,908
It's bad. End it."
536
00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:25,355
[Steve] Megaupload waseffectively a copy cat
537
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,857
of some pirate services that
already existed at the time,
538
00:35:27,892 --> 00:35:30,827
so there was no creative
innovation in what they did.
539
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:33,463
They just did it
better in the sense
540
00:35:33,498 --> 00:35:36,299
that they bested
their pirate competitors
541
00:35:36,334 --> 00:35:37,433
in terms of growing.
542
00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,569
So the entire
business model was based
543
00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:43,706
on distributing content
that Megaupload didn't own.
544
00:35:43,741 --> 00:35:48,344
This guy is becoming
a multi, multi millionaire,
545
00:35:48,379 --> 00:35:52,515
and dual use, this is not people
sharing their vacation photos
546
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:54,384
and then others paying a premium
547
00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:56,553
to download them
a little faster.
548
00:35:56,588 --> 00:35:59,456
This is just movie
after movie after movie.
549
00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:15,338
[Robert] Kim Dotcom made a
lot of money for himself.
550
00:36:18,309 --> 00:36:21,377
Did he make a lot of money
to fund all of the art
551
00:36:21,412 --> 00:36:22,979
that he was
distributing for free?
552
00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,414
No way.
553
00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:27,350
Also remember that like
creators have rights.
554
00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:30,887
I mean, in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights,
555
00:36:30,922 --> 00:36:33,556
which was signed by
the UN, not the MPAA,
556
00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:35,225
you know, you have the right
557
00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:37,961
to moral and material
interests of your work.
558
00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,230
That's a big deal.
559
00:36:40,265 --> 00:36:42,899
You wanna give it away for
free? Give it away for free.
560
00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:45,034
You wanna stream it? Stream it.
561
00:36:45,069 --> 00:36:46,703
You wanna put it on LaserDisc,
562
00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:48,972
beam it into space,
show it on airplanes?
563
00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:50,640
That's your choice.
564
00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:53,776
But Kim was violating
the rights of a lot of people.
565
00:36:53,811 --> 00:36:55,912
[cheering]
566
00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:12,028
[Taplin] When someone like
Kim Dotcom put up a site,
567
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,497
and he collects
millions of dollars
568
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,933
of advertising income
off that site
569
00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:20,770
to pay for his yachts,
his mansions,
570
00:37:20,805 --> 00:37:22,706
and his private jets,
571
00:37:23,941 --> 00:37:27,244
that's, to me, parasitical.
572
00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,413
He is a parasite,
573
00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:35,685
and he is sucking the blood out
of the artist's corporate body.
574
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:36,930
[man] Just one more time,
are you ready?
575
00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:38,821
[cheering]
576
00:37:38,856 --> 00:37:44,394
[Jonathan] So he's a criminal,and it's just that simple.
577
00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:47,030
You know, he deserved,
he should be in jail.
578
00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:49,565
♪ I'm not done ♪
579
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,034
♪ I've just begun ♪
580
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:53,069
♪ Kim Dotcom ♪
581
00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:55,438
♪ Kim Dotcom ♪
582
00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:57,073
♪ I'm not done ♪
583
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:58,875
♪ I've just begun ♪
584
00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:00,743
♪ I've just begun ♪
585
00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:01,778
♪ Kim Dotcom ♪
586
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:05,949
That wasn't right.
Let's do it again.
587
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:09,786
[man murmuring]
588
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,621
And then the other one.
589
00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:14,624
[Dotcom] I was working on a
music site called Megabox.
590
00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:17,126
Megabox was actually
a real threat
591
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:21,764
to the music labels because
it empowered the artists,
592
00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:23,966
and cut out the middlemen,
593
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:27,637
these monopolist labels that are
just stealing money from them,
594
00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,972
and the artists loved that.
595
00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:31,674
Hey, we have our hit, man.
596
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:33,009
And they were all excited.
597
00:38:33,044 --> 00:38:34,844
They wanted to be
a part of that,
598
00:38:34,879 --> 00:38:38,114
and that's why they decided
to promote Megaupload
599
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,149
in the way they have done.
600
00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:43,786
♪ And when I gotta send files
Across the globe ♪
601
00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:45,788
♪ I use Megaupload ♪
602
00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:47,657
[voice whispering]
♪ Mega Megaupload ♪
603
00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:50,860
♪ And when I gotta send files
Across the globe ♪
604
00:38:50,895 --> 00:38:52,795
♪ I use Megaupload ♪
605
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,464
♪ Mega Megaupload ♪
606
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,165
I use Megauploads, man.
607
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,767
I like to use Megaupload.
608
00:38:57,802 --> 00:38:58,968
I like Megaupload.
609
00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:00,670
I like Megaupload.
610
00:39:00,705 --> 00:39:02,572
I love Megaupload.
611
00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:04,051
[Fisher] A whole bunch of
A-listers, well-known faces
612
00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,975
singing a Megaupload jingle,
613
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:07,377
suggest that I might be.
614
00:39:07,412 --> 00:39:09,679
I mean, that was really
sticking his fingers
615
00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:11,914
up the noses of the record
companies and Hollywood.
616
00:39:11,949 --> 00:39:13,616
♪ Send me a file ♪
617
00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:14,951
♪ Megaupload ♪
618
00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:17,653
But it was surprising
because I'm sure
619
00:39:17,688 --> 00:39:20,390
that many of the labels that
represent these celebrities
620
00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,392
were incredibly unhappy to see
621
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:25,795
that promo because
their message was one
622
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:27,730
that does not align very easily
623
00:39:27,765 --> 00:39:29,766
with the copyright industry's
message,
624
00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:35,638
that any kind of copyright infringement
hurts them, not helps them.
625
00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:38,908
[Greg] Like, what is this?
626
00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:42,779
Here are the artists
backing Kim Dotcom
627
00:39:42,814 --> 00:39:46,549
and Megaupload at
a crucial time.
628
00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:48,618
Listen, Kim Dotcom
is a PR genius.
629
00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:51,788
He knows what
really makes impact.
630
00:39:51,823 --> 00:39:53,063
He knows what people wanna see.
631
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:54,590
He knows
what's gonna affect them.
632
00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,726
The guy's a genius
when it comes to that,
633
00:39:56,761 --> 00:40:00,897
and Hollywood had no idea that he'd
be able to do this kinda thing.
634
00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:02,198
That came out of nowhere.
635
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,967
Hey, I'm Alicia Keys,
and I use Megaupload.
636
00:40:05,002 --> 00:40:06,436
Hi, I'm Naomi Campbell.
637
00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:07,870
What up, doe? Megaupload.
638
00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:09,472
I am Demi Moore.
639
00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:11,174
Hey, what's up?
It's Kim Kardashian,
640
00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:13,075
and I love Megaupload.
641
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:15,445
These people are whores.
642
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,980
They're... they're, you know,
643
00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:20,049
wave a little check
in front of them.
644
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:21,684
They'll show up anywhere,
645
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,953
and that's what's so sad,
you know.
646
00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:27,123
I mean, the music business
didn't use to be that way,
647
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:31,494
but now whether
it's brands or Kim Dotcom,
648
00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:36,165
people are so anxious
to get some cash
649
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,001
that they'll do anything.
650
00:40:44,175 --> 00:40:45,975
[Greg] He seemed to them
651
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:48,044
he was rubbing their nose,
652
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,012
that he was living
in this huge mansion
653
00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:53,082
with all these cars,
living this high life,
654
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,885
and to them, he was doing
that with their money.
655
00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,790
It was like, he had to go.
656
00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:04,594
So he kinda, in a way,
he invited some of this.
657
00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:12,768
[Glenn] He has long been viewed
658
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:17,507
as an adversary of the film and
entertainment industry in Hollywood,
659
00:41:17,542 --> 00:41:19,709
and that industry wield
660
00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:22,479
enormous political power
inside the United States,
661
00:41:23,781 --> 00:41:25,325
and therefore it wields
great influence
662
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:27,717
within the halls of
power of Washington.
663
00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:31,754
[reporter] Top lobbyistfor Hollywood told FOX
664
00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:35,725
his industry is threatening to
cut off money to the President.
665
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,660
Don't make
the false assumption this year
666
00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:39,039
that because we did it
in the years past
667
00:41:39,063 --> 00:41:40,229
we're gonna do it this year.
668
00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:42,331
This industry is
watching very carefully
669
00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:43,966
who's going to stand up for them
670
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:45,168
when their job is at stake.
671
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:50,773
[Lawrence] Chris Dodd, the head of the
Motion Picture Association of America,
672
00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,676
the most powerful lobbying group
for Hollywood in America,
673
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:55,011
was very explicit about the fact
674
00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:57,580
that if you're not gonna
give us what we want,
675
00:41:57,615 --> 00:42:00,283
we're not gonna give you what you
want when it comes around time
676
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:02,952
for you to raise money
to fund your campaigns.
677
00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:05,321
Now that was more explicit
than he should have been
678
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,056
'cause it just
sounded so grotesque,
679
00:42:07,091 --> 00:42:09,759
but what he was saying was
understood by everybody to be true.
680
00:42:09,794 --> 00:42:10,927
[camera shutter clicks]
681
00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:14,308
[Greg] I've hearda lot of suspicion
682
00:42:14,332 --> 00:42:17,934
about whether Hollywood
really did put pressure
683
00:42:17,969 --> 00:42:19,802
on the President
to take down a site
684
00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:22,872
that they believed was
pirating music and films.
685
00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:25,575
And I would say,
"Yeah, absolutely."
686
00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:28,110
That's what we do. He shouldn't
be surprised by that.
687
00:42:28,145 --> 00:42:29,579
That's what happens.
688
00:42:29,614 --> 00:42:32,348
You get in between
America and its money,
689
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,284
and you're gonna have
big problems.
690
00:42:40,891 --> 00:42:46,062
[indistinct announcements]
691
00:42:52,637 --> 00:42:55,838
[police officers
speaking indistinctly]
692
00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:07,150
[computer keys clacking]
693
00:43:11,389 --> 00:43:12,722
[security camera whirring]
694
00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,927
[sparrows chirping]
695
00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:25,068
[cackling]
696
00:43:35,212 --> 00:43:37,046
[helicopter engine running]
697
00:43:37,081 --> 00:43:38,114
[police officers talking]
698
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,887
[helicopter blades whirring]
699
00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:41,310
[dog barking]
700
00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:49,285
[security camera whirring]
701
00:45:22,052 --> 00:45:25,488
[computer keys clacking]
702
00:45:33,531 --> 00:45:36,065
[Grant] They've been arrested
on warrants relating
703
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,535
to breach of copyright
offenses in the United States,
704
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,139
money laundering
and racketeering.
705
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:47,076
Within New Zealand,
706
00:45:47,111 --> 00:45:49,779
we have seized an excess
of six million dollars worth
707
00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:53,849
of top-end motor vehicles
and over $10 million in cash
708
00:45:53,884 --> 00:45:56,319
from several New Zealand
finance companies.
709
00:45:59,824 --> 00:46:03,259
[man] More details of Kim Dotcom's
actions during the raid have emerged.
710
00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:05,561
Police say when they arrived
in two helicopters,
711
00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:10,232
Dotcom retreated into an
electronically locked panic room.
712
00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,802
[man 2] They found him
clutching a sawed-off shotgun,
713
00:46:12,837 --> 00:46:14,870
and they had to cut him
out of the room.
714
00:46:14,905 --> 00:46:17,840
The firearm that was found,
sir, was illegal.
715
00:46:17,875 --> 00:46:19,475
Here's a photo of it,
716
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:21,177
and it was loaded.
717
00:46:23,047 --> 00:46:27,550
[speaking indistinctly]
718
00:46:42,233 --> 00:46:46,969
[woman] The FBI claims thatKim Dotcom made $175 million
719
00:46:47,004 --> 00:46:49,338
in criminal proceedings
720
00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:55,077
and that Megaupload cost half a billion
dollars in harm to copyright owners.
721
00:46:55,112 --> 00:46:56,423
[Steve] He was put intothe criminal category
722
00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:58,314
because he was a criminal,
723
00:46:58,349 --> 00:47:00,349
and he is a criminal,
724
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:04,286
and he was
a pretty significant criminal.
725
00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:06,388
Just because he is not violent
726
00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:08,357
doesn't mean
his conduct isn't criminal.
727
00:47:08,392 --> 00:47:10,492
People go to jail for
securities fraud every day
728
00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:13,296
without ever having taken a bat
to the side of someone's head.
729
00:47:15,099 --> 00:47:17,399
So the harm that
Kim Dotcom causes
730
00:47:17,434 --> 00:47:19,335
really does affect real people.
731
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,571
It affects those 1.9 million
people that go to work every day
732
00:47:22,606 --> 00:47:25,307
trying to earn a living in the
film and television industry.
733
00:47:25,342 --> 00:47:27,343
It affects the small businesses
734
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,446
that are trying to start up
new legitimate online platforms
735
00:47:30,481 --> 00:47:32,147
and that are playing
by the rules.
736
00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:34,483
So the conduct that
Kim Dotcom engaged in
737
00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,485
was criminal,
and it had real victims.
738
00:47:46,997 --> 00:47:48,964
- [woman] Hi, Kim.
- Hello.
739
00:47:48,999 --> 00:47:51,267
[indistinct murmuring]
740
00:47:51,302 --> 00:47:55,337
Well, I'm relieved to
go home to see my family,
741
00:47:55,372 --> 00:47:58,307
my three little kids
and my pregnant wife,
742
00:47:58,342 --> 00:47:59,575
and I hope you understand
743
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,243
that that's all
I want to say right now.
744
00:48:01,278 --> 00:48:02,455
[woman] How have
you been treated?
745
00:48:02,479 --> 00:48:04,380
I just want to go home,
and see my family.
746
00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:07,249
Gentlemen, just... Excuse me.
747
00:48:07,284 --> 00:48:09,018
[woman] What about
the extradition hearing?
748
00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:11,153
You will obviously
be fighting that one?
749
00:48:11,188 --> 00:48:14,323
Yes, I will be fighting that.
750
00:48:14,358 --> 00:48:18,661
[newsreader] And in New Zealand,
Megaupload tycoon Kim Dotcom
751
00:48:18,696 --> 00:48:23,499
was released on bail today
after 31 days in prison.
752
00:48:23,534 --> 00:48:25,200
A hearing will be held shortly
753
00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,470
to determine whether
the Megaupload co-accused
754
00:48:28,505 --> 00:48:31,440
will be sent to
Washington to stand trial.
755
00:48:31,475 --> 00:48:34,043
If found guilty,
the men could face
756
00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:35,978
up to 80 years in prison.
757
00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:42,518
Hi!
758
00:48:44,521 --> 00:48:46,155
[woman]
Yeah, but they didn't say no.
759
00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:50,559
[screaming and laughing]
760
00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:56,399
[speaking indistinctly]
761
00:48:58,268 --> 00:49:01,270
[Dotcom] We were livingin this happy bubble, ya know?
762
00:49:01,305 --> 00:49:02,438
Everything was perfect...
763
00:49:06,243 --> 00:49:07,476
until the raid.
764
00:49:10,381 --> 00:49:12,214
Yay...
765
00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,117
it's happening.
766
00:49:17,554 --> 00:49:19,321
Oh, I'm scared.
767
00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:20,523
Oh, what's that?
768
00:49:21,592 --> 00:49:22,992
Oops.
769
00:49:23,027 --> 00:49:24,293
- [baby crying]
- [man] Hello.
770
00:49:24,328 --> 00:49:26,495
[indistinct murmuring]
771
00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:28,497
[Dotcom]
Number one is out, baby...
772
00:49:28,532 --> 00:49:31,667
- [Doctor] Number two.
- [Dotcom] ...and number two.
773
00:49:31,702 --> 00:49:34,503
- Babies are super pretty.
- Super healthy?
774
00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,640
Super good, baby,
don't worry, all good.
775
00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:41,610
Today I'm a daddy again.
776
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:45,481
Two more kids, two tiny girls,
777
00:49:45,516 --> 00:49:48,150
two beautiful little pirates.
778
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:55,124
That was really good
that I was able
779
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,761
to be outside to watch
the twins get born.
780
00:49:58,796 --> 00:50:00,362
[camera shutters clicking]
781
00:50:00,397 --> 00:50:02,698
You know,
that gave me a lot of energy.
782
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:06,302
It reminded me that I really
need to fight for them.
783
00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:12,241
I knew we were innocent.
784
00:50:12,276 --> 00:50:14,543
I knew these
allegations were wrong.
785
00:50:14,578 --> 00:50:18,047
I actually read the indictment
on the day we got arrested,
786
00:50:18,082 --> 00:50:20,049
and I had to laugh.
787
00:50:20,084 --> 00:50:21,784
I said to my co-defense,
788
00:50:21,819 --> 00:50:23,318
this will be over really quick.
789
00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,087
This is such a nonsense.
790
00:50:25,122 --> 00:50:27,122
It will be so easy to discredit
791
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:29,658
and show that they got it
all wrong, you know?
792
00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:35,631
While I was remanded,
793
00:50:35,666 --> 00:50:38,233
I got all these press clippings,
794
00:50:38,268 --> 00:50:40,269
and they were saying
that I was found
795
00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:42,571
with a sawn-off shotgun,
796
00:50:42,606 --> 00:50:45,207
you know, that they had to use
this kind of force
797
00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:47,209
because I had
weapons in the house
798
00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:49,878
and, you know, the whole
description of the case,
799
00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:54,283
and who I am was just completely
unrealistic and not true.
800
00:50:54,318 --> 00:50:56,085
- Speak with... [indistinct]
- Mm-hmm.
801
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,455
So I decided that I want
to set the record straight.
802
00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,090
Of course, everybody knows
803
00:51:01,125 --> 00:51:03,392
that the Internet is being used
804
00:51:03,427 --> 00:51:06,628
for legitimate
and illegitimate uses,
805
00:51:06,663 --> 00:51:08,764
and I think every
online service provider
806
00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:12,267
has the same challenges
that we had.
807
00:51:12,302 --> 00:51:15,571
YouTube, Google, everybody
is in the same boat,
808
00:51:15,606 --> 00:51:19,641
and our legal advisers have
always told us that we are secure
809
00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:22,311
and that we are protected
by the DMCA
810
00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:23,645
which is a law in the U.S.
811
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,381
that is protecting
online service providers
812
00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:29,452
of liability for
the actions of their users.
813
00:51:32,222 --> 00:51:34,701
[Cyrus] Kim's legal team would
argue that they're no different
814
00:51:34,725 --> 00:51:36,859
than any other
cloud storage service.
815
00:51:36,894 --> 00:51:38,927
They are not responsible
for what the users do.
816
00:51:38,962 --> 00:51:41,396
They have no liability.
817
00:51:41,431 --> 00:51:43,365
End of story as far
as they're concerned.
818
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,912
What the government alleges, what
the entertainment industry alleges
819
00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:48,937
is that, well, no, the website
was set up to give incentives
820
00:51:48,972 --> 00:51:50,773
for people to
upload valuable material,
821
00:51:53,844 --> 00:51:55,844
meaning, you know,
newly released films,
822
00:51:55,879 --> 00:51:57,880
newly released music,
things like that.
823
00:51:57,915 --> 00:52:00,349
[indistinct murmuring]
824
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,924
[Dotcom] That's alsovery important to mention.
825
00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:11,693
I shouldn't ever have been
in a situation
826
00:52:11,728 --> 00:52:13,695
to defend myself
against extradition
827
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:15,764
because there is
simply no basis in law
828
00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:18,234
in New Zealand to extradite me.
829
00:52:20,437 --> 00:52:22,571
[Greg] They have to proveto a New Zealand court
830
00:52:22,606 --> 00:52:24,573
that the treaty between
the United States
831
00:52:24,608 --> 00:52:28,377
and New Zealand, extradition
treaty, covers copyright.
832
00:52:28,412 --> 00:52:29,745
And from what I've seen,
833
00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:31,914
there's nothing in there
about copyright.
834
00:52:34,585 --> 00:52:35,751
[Dr. Ira] They're concocted,
835
00:52:37,754 --> 00:52:39,788
and they're piling them on
to figure out a way
836
00:52:39,823 --> 00:52:42,958
to make out a case
where none should exist.
837
00:52:45,862 --> 00:52:49,698
But like a house,
you know, like dominoes,
838
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:53,702
if there is no criminal
copyright infringement,
839
00:52:53,737 --> 00:52:55,604
all the others will fall.
840
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:05,447
[keyboard keys clacking]
841
00:53:08,652 --> 00:53:10,852
The whole
Dotcom Megaupload process
842
00:53:10,887 --> 00:53:12,721
turned out to be
843
00:53:12,756 --> 00:53:15,457
far more than New Zealand
ever bargained for.
844
00:53:22,399 --> 00:53:27,536
Anything that we could
get wrong, we got wrong.
845
00:53:27,571 --> 00:53:32,674
The New Zealand authorities managed
to pretty much screw up every step
846
00:53:32,709 --> 00:53:34,743
of the process along the way.
847
00:53:34,778 --> 00:53:38,547
The search warrant that was
used to execute the raid,
848
00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:40,983
it has to be directed towards
849
00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:44,586
whatever the alleged
criminal enterprise is.
850
00:53:44,621 --> 00:53:46,555
This document didn't do that.
851
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:49,592
It was
an incredibly vague document.
852
00:53:55,432 --> 00:53:58,700
The authorities in New Zealand
cloned Dotcom's laptops,
853
00:53:58,735 --> 00:54:01,003
which had been seized
during the raid.
854
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:05,874
The court had effectively said
855
00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,843
this evidence remains
in New Zealand.
856
00:54:09,746 --> 00:54:12,514
The FBI took the clones
857
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:15,484
and sent them back
to the United States.
858
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,454
It's extraordinary.
859
00:54:20,557 --> 00:54:25,027
Dotcom's rights, the process
of law had been thwarted,
860
00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:29,031
and there needed to be
some sort of redress for that.
861
00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:31,300
[woman] The Internet millionaire
has been back in court
862
00:54:31,335 --> 00:54:33,001
for a three-day hearing.
863
00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:36,338
Police were quizzed about
what level of threat he posed
864
00:54:36,373 --> 00:54:38,507
and whether the elite
special tactics group
865
00:54:38,542 --> 00:54:41,510
was needed to execute the
search warrants in January.
866
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:44,713
[man] The police
are not every day
867
00:54:44,748 --> 00:54:47,382
going into domestic houses
868
00:54:47,417 --> 00:54:50,319
armed to the teeth
with automatic weapons,
869
00:54:50,354 --> 00:54:52,120
bashing down doors,
870
00:54:52,155 --> 00:54:56,792
quartering the household
in a paramilitary fashion,
871
00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:58,760
shouting orders at one another.
872
00:54:58,795 --> 00:55:01,363
That's not ordinary police
practice in New Zealand, is it?
873
00:55:01,398 --> 00:55:02,698
Or have I missed something?
874
00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:04,733
I think you've missed something.
875
00:55:04,768 --> 00:55:09,604
If the risk assessment is that there
are firearms in the property,
876
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,374
the police will not execute
that search warrant
877
00:55:12,409 --> 00:55:14,410
without armed police.
878
00:55:19,883 --> 00:55:24,086
[Andrew] When one readsthe indictment of Megaupload,
879
00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:26,555
I notice that there
were references
880
00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:29,525
to child pornography
and terrorism.
881
00:55:30,927 --> 00:55:33,995
They do not have any relevance
882
00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:35,597
to a claim
of copyright infringement,
883
00:55:35,632 --> 00:55:37,866
but that is part of the effort
884
00:55:37,901 --> 00:55:42,037
to paint the defendants
as extremely dangerous
885
00:55:42,072 --> 00:55:44,606
and ugly and nasty persons.
886
00:55:44,641 --> 00:55:47,642
And that, Your Honors,
one that I referred to.
887
00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:48,877
[Greg] They had a message.
888
00:55:48,912 --> 00:55:50,779
The guy is dangerous.
889
00:55:50,814 --> 00:55:52,447
He has weapons,
890
00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:56,151
and so everybody thought
this Kim Dotcom guy
891
00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:58,687
is not just into piracy.
892
00:55:58,722 --> 00:56:02,424
They gave the impression that
he was much more dangerous
893
00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:04,626
and there were other things
that he might be into,
894
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:07,596
and of course, that
turned out to be a lie.
895
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,933
[Dotcom]
One was taken at a resort
896
00:56:11,968 --> 00:56:15,871
called Cape Kidnappers
in Napier,
897
00:56:15,906 --> 00:56:19,574
and I was there
with my family for holiday,
898
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:22,811
and we had an afternoon
where we had clay shooting,
899
00:56:22,846 --> 00:56:26,815
and the other event
was a similar occasion
900
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,118
in Ireland over 10 years ago.
901
00:56:40,263 --> 00:56:43,065
[Mona] I was almostseven months pregnant.
902
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:48,003
I was having contractions,
but that was not my focus.
903
00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:49,604
I just thought to myself,
904
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:51,173
"Oh, my God, the kids,"
905
00:56:51,208 --> 00:56:54,209
'cause I could see
the guys with their weapons,
906
00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:55,577
with their guns.
907
00:56:55,612 --> 00:56:57,112
How silly is that?
908
00:56:57,147 --> 00:57:00,148
So I was just like, "Can you
please let me go to my kids?"
909
00:57:00,183 --> 00:57:01,961
They're like, "No,
you just have to stand there."
910
00:57:01,985 --> 00:57:03,251
You have to stand there."
911
00:57:03,286 --> 00:57:05,187
I'm like, "I need
to go to my kids."
912
00:57:05,222 --> 00:57:06,188
I need to see my kids.
913
00:57:06,223 --> 00:57:07,367
"Those are my kids in there."
914
00:57:07,391 --> 00:57:09,925
It's 'cause I was just
worried that, you know,
915
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,661
they're gonna come in
their room with their guns.
916
00:57:14,197 --> 00:57:15,964
[man] So you were relying upon
917
00:57:15,999 --> 00:57:17,466
the intelligence information
918
00:57:17,501 --> 00:57:20,068
which the FBI
were providing to you?
919
00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:21,503
- Is that right?
- Yes.
920
00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:24,940
[Ron] The FBI andthe Department of Justice
921
00:57:24,975 --> 00:57:27,075
were involved from
the very outset,
922
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:29,011
and that's perhaps
not surprising.
923
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,681
What's surprising is how keen
924
00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:33,993
the New Zealand authorities were
925
00:57:34,017 --> 00:57:36,485
just to adopt
what we assume to be
926
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,620
the recommendations
from the FBI.
927
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:43,124
[Fisher] When they
went in fast and hard,
928
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,528
it was because the police were
under the impression
929
00:57:46,563 --> 00:57:48,830
that there was
this Doomsday device
930
00:57:48,865 --> 00:57:51,600
that was in the mansion
somewhere that would,
931
00:57:51,635 --> 00:57:53,502
if activated, destroy evidence
932
00:57:53,537 --> 00:57:55,804
of wrongdoing
anywhere in the world.
933
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,572
[man] What destruction devices?
934
00:57:57,607 --> 00:58:00,609
Well, the laptop and the iPhone
935
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:02,054
or the PDA, whatever
it was that was found.
936
00:58:02,078 --> 00:58:04,613
[man] They were not
destruction devices, were they?
937
00:58:04,648 --> 00:58:07,048
What do you expect?
A box with a red button on it?
938
00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:09,784
[dog barking]
939
00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:13,522
[Dotcom]
The mission was to arrest me
940
00:58:13,557 --> 00:58:15,590
as quickly as possible
941
00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:17,826
so that I could not use
any Doomsday device.
942
00:58:19,629 --> 00:58:21,997
In actuality,
it took them 15 minutes
943
00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:23,999
to find me in my own house.
944
00:58:26,236 --> 00:58:28,904
There's never been any such
device, and it was never found.
945
00:58:28,939 --> 00:58:31,006
It was all bullshit.
946
00:58:31,041 --> 00:58:32,941
[helicopter blades whirring]
947
00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:40,549
[man] I think thatthe rationale is clear.
948
00:58:40,584 --> 00:58:44,352
It was meant to send
a message around the world.
949
00:58:44,387 --> 00:58:48,356
Don't mess with the United
States on copyright issues.
950
00:58:48,391 --> 00:58:51,693
The only other raid
that I can think of
951
00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:55,830
that sounds similar was the
raid on Osama Bin Laden,
952
00:58:55,865 --> 00:59:02,704
and these are vastly different
levels of importance.
953
00:59:04,908 --> 00:59:06,575
[Jimmy] You know, it
sort of looked like
954
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:08,843
you were taking down
a South American dictator.
955
00:59:08,878 --> 00:59:10,612
[dog barking]
956
00:59:10,647 --> 00:59:11,947
I thought it was bizarre,
957
00:59:11,982 --> 00:59:13,359
and I thought it was
also quite symptomatic
958
00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:17,319
of how we've gotten into
such an extreme position
959
00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:18,853
around some of these issues.
960
00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:22,123
Things that I might
not even agree with
961
00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:24,059
that Megaupload was doing,
962
00:59:24,094 --> 00:59:28,196
I think warrant proper address
in court and so forth.
963
00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:30,031
It doesn't mean
you need to send helicopters
964
00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:33,302
and masses of teams
with machine guns and so on.
965
00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:45,814
[Dotcom] That's it.
966
00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:47,950
You just made history, man.
967
00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:52,087
It's fucking huge, man!
968
00:59:52,122 --> 00:59:55,056
[cheering]
969
00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,057
Later.
970
00:59:56,092 --> 00:59:57,359
[indistinct murmuring]
971
00:59:57,394 --> 00:59:58,627
OK, bye.
972
01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:04,933
Oh man, this is good shit.
973
01:00:04,968 --> 01:00:06,101
[man] They fucked up!
974
01:00:06,136 --> 01:00:07,636
They fucked up.
975
01:00:07,671 --> 01:00:09,237
They fucked up.
976
01:00:09,272 --> 01:00:10,672
They fucked up.
977
01:00:10,707 --> 01:00:12,741
They fucked up. They fucked up.
978
01:00:17,414 --> 01:00:18,791
First tonight,
a ruling in the past hour
979
01:00:18,815 --> 01:00:20,982
on the Kim Dotcom case
980
01:00:21,017 --> 01:00:23,295
as he fights FBI attempts to
extradite him to the United States.
981
01:00:23,319 --> 01:00:25,197
[woman] A high court judge
says search warrants
982
01:00:25,221 --> 01:00:28,757
for the Internet entrepreneur's
Auckland mansion were illegal.
983
01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:30,859
[man] Justice Helen
Winkleman has decided
984
01:00:30,894 --> 01:00:32,727
the warrants used were invalid.
985
01:00:32,762 --> 01:00:34,329
New Zealand police
seized bank accounts
986
01:00:34,364 --> 01:00:35,930
on behalf of the FBI
987
01:00:35,965 --> 01:00:37,699
and took away property
worth millions.
988
01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:39,734
Now they may have
to give it all back.
989
01:00:39,769 --> 01:00:41,736
It's a damning judgment,
illegal,
990
01:00:41,771 --> 01:00:43,405
unlawful, invalid.
991
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,907
Justice Winkleman
doesn't hold back.
992
01:00:52,949 --> 01:00:54,916
[man] Embarrassed about this?
I am, a wee bit.
993
01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:56,284
[woman] Ah, absolutely.
994
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:59,421
[man] That we appear to
almost be puppets of the FBI.
995
01:00:59,456 --> 01:01:02,357
[Fisher] There was a feeling
that the machinery of state
996
01:01:02,392 --> 01:01:04,059
had been exercised
against Dotcom
997
01:01:04,094 --> 01:01:07,262
in a way that was
unjust or unfair.
998
01:01:09,999 --> 01:01:11,766
[Bryce]
Suddenly, New Zealanders saw
999
01:01:11,801 --> 01:01:13,501
that there was
two sides to the story...
1000
01:01:13,536 --> 01:01:15,403
[man] I love you, Com!
1001
01:01:15,438 --> 01:01:17,817
[Bryce] ...and maybe this wasthe U.S. state bullying someone
1002
01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,275
that was a spanner in the works
of Hollywood productions.
1003
01:01:21,845 --> 01:01:23,845
[camera shutter clicking]
1004
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,248
[Bryce] Suddenly, people wanted
to fight against injustice.
1005
01:01:27,283 --> 01:01:30,452
Suddenly, he became
a cause celeb.
1006
01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:35,824
The war for
the Internet has begun.
1007
01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:40,495
Hollywood is
in control of politics.
1008
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:43,932
[Gabriella] There is huge
contradictions in Kim Dotcom.
1009
01:01:43,967 --> 01:01:49,137
Even in the face of these
huge legal battles he faces,
1010
01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:51,539
he seems to have
a huge sense of humor
1011
01:01:51,574 --> 01:01:54,142
and likes to taunt
the U.S. government.
1012
01:01:54,177 --> 01:01:57,779
♪ What about free speech,
Mr. President ♪
1013
01:01:57,814 --> 01:01:59,547
Say hello to my little friend.
1014
01:01:59,582 --> 01:02:02,417
[people screaming]
1015
01:02:02,452 --> 01:02:05,787
[Gabriella] I think that
playful attitude is one reason
1016
01:02:05,822 --> 01:02:08,022
that a lot of people
who might otherwise be
1017
01:02:08,057 --> 01:02:10,091
really skeptical
of what he's done,
1018
01:02:10,126 --> 01:02:13,328
knowing that, you know,
the primary driving force
1019
01:02:13,363 --> 01:02:16,364
behind many of these companies
is to make money,
1020
01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:19,100
nevertheless, kind of,
can appreciate him.
1021
01:02:19,135 --> 01:02:22,771
♪ We will make history ♪
1022
01:02:22,806 --> 01:02:25,173
♪ It starts with you ♪
1023
01:02:30,847 --> 01:02:33,081
[Dotcom] It's quite interesting
that a lobby group
1024
01:02:33,116 --> 01:02:35,183
around entertainment content
1025
01:02:35,218 --> 01:02:38,353
can get the White House
to move against
1026
01:02:38,388 --> 01:02:41,222
an Internet nerd
with military force.
1027
01:02:41,257 --> 01:02:42,468
I mean, think about
that for a moment.
1028
01:02:42,492 --> 01:02:45,126
Isn't that... It's funny.
1029
01:02:45,161 --> 01:02:48,496
And none of it
will change anything.
1030
01:02:48,531 --> 01:02:51,866
None of what they have done
has changed anything
1031
01:02:51,901 --> 01:02:55,203
to alter the way
the Internet works
1032
01:02:55,238 --> 01:02:57,505
or the levels of piracy.
1033
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:00,141
When Megaupload shut down,
1034
01:03:00,176 --> 01:03:01,977
in the 18 weeks
following that shutdown,
1035
01:03:04,247 --> 01:03:08,216
sales through legitimate
outlets went up six to 10%,
1036
01:03:08,251 --> 01:03:09,818
and that's just one site.
1037
01:03:09,853 --> 01:03:12,053
It was one of the major
sites at the time,
1038
01:03:12,088 --> 01:03:13,454
but that's just one site,
1039
01:03:13,489 --> 01:03:17,892
and you saw an uptake of
use of legitimate sites
1040
01:03:17,927 --> 01:03:19,594
by an amount of six to 10%.
1041
01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:21,229
So that's a really
significant amount
1042
01:03:21,264 --> 01:03:24,833
of impact on
the legitimate market.
1043
01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:38,090
[Jimmy] You can't really
trust the industry numbers
1044
01:03:38,114 --> 01:03:39,214
on that problem,
1045
01:03:39,249 --> 01:03:41,916
and you certainly can't trust
1046
01:03:41,951 --> 01:03:44,118
the industry's analysis
and understanding
1047
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:46,021
of the operation
of the Internet.
1048
01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:49,390
One of the strongest
drivers for piracy
1049
01:03:49,425 --> 01:03:50,870
is when people are hearing
all this buzz
1050
01:03:50,894 --> 01:03:52,371
about something that
really is fantastic,
1051
01:03:52,395 --> 01:03:54,996
but they can't get it legally
in their country,
1052
01:03:55,031 --> 01:03:59,234
and then they turn illegally
to download it.
1053
01:03:59,269 --> 01:04:01,069
Well, we may disapprove
of that behavior,
1054
01:04:01,104 --> 01:04:02,937
but we can't stop that behavior,
1055
01:04:02,972 --> 01:04:04,617
and there's actually
a very simple solution
1056
01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:07,508
that doesn't involve
sending out S.W.A.T. teams.
1057
01:04:07,543 --> 01:04:10,345
It involves, "Hey, change
your business policy."
1058
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:12,413
Everything that you are
selling in one country,
1059
01:04:12,448 --> 01:04:14,582
sell it in every country,
1060
01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,351
and if you don't, don't be surprised
if people are pirating it.
1061
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:23,157
[guns firing]
1062
01:04:23,192 --> 01:04:24,492
[Dotcom] I'm an avid gamer.
1063
01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:28,997
I play Modern Warfare on Xbox,
1064
01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:34,002
and I noticed that
my speed, my Internet speed,
1065
01:04:34,037 --> 01:04:37,205
went down by about
20, 30 milliseconds.
1066
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,274
[laughing]
1067
01:04:39,309 --> 01:04:41,142
And a normal Internet user
1068
01:04:41,177 --> 01:04:43,711
would never ever identify that,
1069
01:04:43,746 --> 01:04:47,148
but me being a competitive
gamer, I noticed it,
1070
01:04:47,183 --> 01:04:50,251
and only after the raid did
I figure out what happened.
1071
01:04:50,286 --> 01:04:52,720
They rerouted all my traffic
1072
01:04:52,755 --> 01:04:56,057
in a way that
they could capture all my data
1073
01:04:56,092 --> 01:04:58,593
that went through my connection.
1074
01:05:07,403 --> 01:05:09,704
[man] Duringthe high court hearings,
1075
01:05:09,739 --> 01:05:13,141
Grant Wormed
was being cross examined,
1076
01:05:13,176 --> 01:05:16,244
and he was being asked
about his notebook,
1077
01:05:17,547 --> 01:05:20,548
and he looked extremely awkward.
1078
01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:27,488
On the 14th of December, 2011,
1079
01:05:27,523 --> 01:05:29,457
was there a further meeting
1080
01:05:29,492 --> 01:05:33,494
that you attended
to plan this operation
1081
01:05:33,529 --> 01:05:35,263
where there was
a range of people there?
1082
01:05:35,298 --> 01:05:38,566
Someone from
the Justice Department, was it?
1083
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:39,968
[Grant] Yes.
1084
01:05:40,003 --> 01:05:42,537
[Paul] And was there
another group of people
1085
01:05:42,572 --> 01:05:44,472
represented as well
at the meeting?
1086
01:05:44,507 --> 01:05:46,507
[Grant] Yes, there was.
1087
01:05:46,542 --> 01:05:54,282
What field of activity
were they involved with?
1088
01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,185
They worked for the government.
1089
01:05:57,220 --> 01:05:59,187
Right.
1090
01:05:59,222 --> 01:06:01,456
Are you not able to
tell us who they were?
1091
01:06:01,491 --> 01:06:02,724
I'd rather not.
1092
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,227
[Paul] Reason?
1093
01:06:06,262 --> 01:06:10,332
Just because of the nature
of the organization.
1094
01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:20,709
[indistinct murmuring]
1095
01:06:24,547 --> 01:06:27,181
[Fisher]
It was clear that something
1096
01:06:27,216 --> 01:06:29,985
had gone horribly,
horribly awry.
1097
01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:36,657
The intelligence agencies
had somehow become involved
1098
01:06:36,692 --> 01:06:38,593
in the Megaupload case.
1099
01:06:45,301 --> 01:06:49,103
The GCSB, the Government
Communication Security Bureau,
1100
01:06:49,138 --> 01:06:52,840
New Zealand's equivalent to
the National Security Agency,
1101
01:06:52,875 --> 01:06:54,509
was spying on Dotcom.
1102
01:06:57,647 --> 01:06:59,514
It's also a part of
the what's called
1103
01:06:59,549 --> 01:07:01,482
the Five Eyes arrangement.
1104
01:07:01,517 --> 01:07:06,054
The five eyes between them
spy on the world.
1105
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:08,390
The power that they have
is immense.
1106
01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:12,427
[Glenn] Once Kim Dotcomwas in New Zealand,
1107
01:07:12,462 --> 01:07:15,463
the U.S. began exploiting
the relationship that they had
1108
01:07:15,498 --> 01:07:17,565
with the GCSB
and the New Zealand Government
1109
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,500
to ensure that
getting Kim Dotcom
1110
01:07:19,535 --> 01:07:21,803
became one of
their principal priorities
1111
01:07:21,838 --> 01:07:24,605
to the point where they engaged
1112
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,241
in illegal surveillance
to do so.
1113
01:07:29,579 --> 01:07:33,581
The GCSB is controlled by
quite specific legislation
1114
01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:35,750
that says
you're not allowed to spy
1115
01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:38,420
on New Zealand residents
or citizens.
1116
01:07:47,363 --> 01:07:50,275
[Dotcom] There's something I'd really like
to point out that is important for me.
1117
01:07:50,299 --> 01:07:53,468
When they tapped into my iPhone.
1118
01:07:53,503 --> 01:07:54,902
Because if that happens to you,
1119
01:07:54,937 --> 01:07:57,672
it alters the way
you think completely.
1120
01:07:57,707 --> 01:08:03,878
You realize that it wasn't
just my emails that they read.
1121
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:08,783
They were there when
I was private with my wife.
1122
01:08:08,818 --> 01:08:11,853
They were right there.
1123
01:08:11,888 --> 01:08:15,723
They have no business
doing that, to anybody, at all.
1124
01:08:20,496 --> 01:08:23,398
[Sean] I find that more thana little bit disturbing.
1125
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,367
[bleating]
1126
01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:28,469
Is that a way the government
is supposed to act
1127
01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:30,605
with communications monitoring?
1128
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,374
Are you supposed to be
turning the antennas
1129
01:08:33,409 --> 01:08:37,411
that are meant to protect your
country from outside threats
1130
01:08:37,446 --> 01:08:42,283
back on yourself
for the prosecution
1131
01:08:42,318 --> 01:08:45,219
of what I'm not even sure
in New Zealand
1132
01:08:45,254 --> 01:08:47,155
is necessarily a criminal act?
1133
01:08:54,664 --> 01:08:56,564
[man] Tonight,the Kim Dotcom affair
1134
01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:59,534
is leaving John Key's government
increasingly red-faced.
1135
01:08:59,569 --> 01:09:02,870
[woman] The boss of the Intelligence
Bureau, Prime Minister John Key,
1136
01:09:02,905 --> 01:09:06,774
has ordered a probe into illegal
bugging of the Internet millionaire.
1137
01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:08,476
Of course, I apologize
to Mr. Dotcom.
1138
01:09:08,511 --> 01:09:10,444
I apologize to New Zealanders
1139
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,847
because every New Zealander
that sits within
1140
01:09:12,882 --> 01:09:15,783
the category of
holding a permanent residency
1141
01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:19,887
or a New Zealand citizen is entitled
to be protected from the law.
1142
01:09:19,922 --> 01:09:24,992
This is really a matter of
mistake and human error,
1143
01:09:25,027 --> 01:09:27,262
not one of a great conspiracy.
1144
01:09:33,803 --> 01:09:36,871
[Dotcom] ♪ I wish youA Mega Christmas ♪
1145
01:09:38,441 --> 01:09:42,410
♪ I wish you A Mega Christmas ♪
1146
01:09:42,445 --> 01:09:46,914
♪ I wish you A Mega Christmas ♪
1147
01:09:46,949 --> 01:09:50,851
♪ From Santa Dotcom ♪
1148
01:09:50,886 --> 01:09:52,554
Shutting down the Internet.
1149
01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,702
[distorted male voice] Truth...
1150
01:10:03,566 --> 01:10:05,400
integrity...
1151
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:09,204
knowledge...
1152
01:10:12,275 --> 01:10:13,474
independence.
1153
01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:17,745
[helicopter engine running]
1154
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,314
[officer] This is a crime
scene, an illegal gathering.
1155
01:10:20,349 --> 01:10:21,760
- [sirens wailing]
- You are all being detained.
1156
01:10:21,784 --> 01:10:22,951
Nobody move.
1157
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,501
The four Megaupload accused
did a remarkable thing
1158
01:10:40,536 --> 01:10:42,537
in the year after
they were arrested.
1159
01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:45,607
They built
a business called Mega.
1160
01:10:48,544 --> 01:10:51,546
[Dotcom] It is
the launch of Mega.
1161
01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:58,586
- [audience applauding]
- You are all upgraded.
1162
01:10:58,621 --> 01:11:00,788
[Dotcom laughing]
1163
01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:04,325
[Fisher] Dotcom says thathe was motivated
1164
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,094
by a desire to create
an encrypted cloud storage site
1165
01:11:07,129 --> 01:11:09,397
so that nobody could be spied on
1166
01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:11,899
in the way that
he had been spied on.
1167
01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:15,369
The U.S. government
is investing billions
1168
01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,105
into massive spy-clouds
1169
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:21,976
to capture all your data
and communication.
1170
01:11:22,011 --> 01:11:26,380
By using Mega,
you say no to governments
1171
01:11:26,415 --> 01:11:28,316
that want to spy on you.
1172
01:11:31,053 --> 01:11:32,987
[Fisher]
Lord knows what's on there.
1173
01:11:33,022 --> 01:11:35,489
It could be copyrighted files.
1174
01:11:35,524 --> 01:11:39,327
It could be ISIS planning documents.
It could be child porn.
1175
01:11:39,362 --> 01:11:41,395
It could be
whatever it might be.
1176
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:44,365
They've built it so that
nobody can see inside.
1177
01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:52,006
[Dotcom] That, by the way, is also what's
going to beat the surveillance state.
1178
01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:57,044
I will be one person
that will be remembered
1179
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,847
as somebody who has fought
mass surveillance
1180
01:11:59,882 --> 01:12:03,785
with technology that gives you
your freedom back.
1181
01:12:06,522 --> 01:12:09,390
[woman] The innermost workings
of our top spy agency
1182
01:12:09,425 --> 01:12:12,460
have been exposed
in a damning report.
1183
01:12:12,495 --> 01:12:14,995
Police have found
the GCSB breaks a law
1184
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:19,834
by spying on Kim Dotcom
and 85 other New Zealanders.
1185
01:12:19,869 --> 01:12:22,403
[woman] Prime Minister Key'ssolution to the debacle
1186
01:12:22,438 --> 01:12:24,939
is to change the law,
giving more power
1187
01:12:24,974 --> 01:12:27,174
to our top intelligence agency.
1188
01:12:27,209 --> 01:12:30,044
If passed, the law
will permit the GCSB
1189
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,348
to now spy on
all New Zealand citizens.
1190
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:42,067
[people shouting] Kill the bill.
1191
01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:49,063
[crowd chanting]
Kill the bill...
1192
01:12:55,971 --> 01:12:57,671
Thank you all for coming today.
1193
01:12:57,706 --> 01:12:58,706
[murmuring]
1194
01:13:01,777 --> 01:13:07,114
The U.S. government is the most
power-hungry government out there,
1195
01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:10,151
and GCSB is one of the puppets
1196
01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:14,188
on the strings of
the U.S. government,
1197
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:17,825
and the biggest puppet
of them all is John Key,
1198
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:18,860
your Prime Minister...
1199
01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:22,196
[crowd cheering]
1200
01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,065
And I will never settle my case.
1201
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,602
I will fight until
we know the truth,
1202
01:13:28,637 --> 01:13:30,871
until we know
every single detail.
1203
01:13:30,906 --> 01:13:33,908
[crowd cheering]
1204
01:13:43,853 --> 01:13:45,820
[man] There were fireworkstoday at Parliament
1205
01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:49,690
as the Prime Minister John Key
went head to head with Kim Dotcom.
1206
01:13:49,725 --> 01:13:52,226
The Internet tycoon was
making a public submission
1207
01:13:52,261 --> 01:13:55,529
on the proposed changes
to the country's spy laws.
1208
01:13:55,564 --> 01:13:58,065
[man] You feel that the...
or do you know or believe
1209
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,501
that the Prime Minister
was aware
1210
01:14:00,536 --> 01:14:03,103
of what you were doing
before the raid took place?
1211
01:14:03,138 --> 01:14:05,506
He knew about me
before the raid.
1212
01:14:05,541 --> 01:14:06,774
I know about that.
1213
01:14:06,809 --> 01:14:07,986
[Prime Minister Key]
I didn't, no.
1214
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:10,778
[camera shutters clicking]
1215
01:14:10,813 --> 01:14:12,246
You know I know.
1216
01:14:12,281 --> 01:14:14,048
I know you don't know.
1217
01:14:14,083 --> 01:14:16,750
I know you don't know,
actually, but that's fine.
1218
01:14:16,785 --> 01:14:18,652
Why are you turning red,
Prime Minister?
1219
01:14:18,687 --> 01:14:20,788
I'm not. Why are you sweating?
1220
01:14:20,823 --> 01:14:22,590
- [Dotcom] It's hot.
- Oh, OK.
1221
01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:24,925
- [people laughing]
- I have a scarf.
1222
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,629
The question was if the Prime Minister
knew about me before the raid,
1223
01:14:28,664 --> 01:14:30,598
and answer to that is yes.
1224
01:14:30,633 --> 01:14:33,000
[camera shutters clicking]
1225
01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:35,669
They gave me residency
in New Zealand
1226
01:14:35,704 --> 01:14:37,805
for the purpose of extradition.
1227
01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:42,109
Warner Brothers was
already in talks
1228
01:14:42,144 --> 01:14:43,711
with the New Zealand government
1229
01:14:43,746 --> 01:14:46,146
to shoot the Hobbit films here,
1230
01:14:46,181 --> 01:14:49,817
and we're talking about you know,
triple digit million dollar budgets,
1231
01:14:49,852 --> 01:14:51,332
lots of opportunity
for New Zealand.
1232
01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:59,560
So the Prime Minister has seen this
as a double strike opportunity.
1233
01:14:59,595 --> 01:15:02,763
Number one, we can make
these Hollywood studios happy
1234
01:15:02,798 --> 01:15:04,598
so they will shoot
more movies here,
1235
01:15:04,633 --> 01:15:06,066
and on top of that,
1236
01:15:06,101 --> 01:15:07,801
we can please the White House,
1237
01:15:07,836 --> 01:15:12,006
because on the highest levels,
they wanted me shut down.
1238
01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:16,655
[Bryce] Certainly,there's a lot of evidence
1239
01:15:16,679 --> 01:15:20,181
that suggests that that
conspiracy theory is true.
1240
01:15:38,901 --> 01:15:40,734
He was allowed to stay
in the country
1241
01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:43,103
despite having a criminal past
1242
01:15:43,138 --> 01:15:45,706
which would normally preclude
him from getting residency.
1243
01:15:45,741 --> 01:15:48,809
[camera shutters clicking]
1244
01:15:48,844 --> 01:15:50,711
This occurred at the same time
1245
01:15:50,746 --> 01:15:52,780
that the New Zealand
Prime Minister John Key
1246
01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:54,582
was meeting with
Hollywood officials.
1247
01:15:57,820 --> 01:15:59,698
[interviewer] Can I go through
the list of people we believe
1248
01:15:59,722 --> 01:16:01,099
- knew about Kim Dotcom?
- Yeah, sure.
1249
01:16:01,123 --> 01:16:03,357
- Simon Power and some officials.
- Yep.
1250
01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,992
Jonathan Coleman
and some officials,
1251
01:16:05,027 --> 01:16:06,594
the Solicitor General's office,
1252
01:16:06,629 --> 01:16:10,230
Crown Law, New Zealand Police,
the Attorney General,
1253
01:16:10,265 --> 01:16:12,733
the Organized and Financial
Crime Agency of New Zealand,
1254
01:16:12,768 --> 01:16:14,779
Nigel Bickle and an unknown
number of people under him
1255
01:16:14,803 --> 01:16:16,837
at Immigration New Zealand,
your electorate office,
1256
01:16:16,872 --> 01:16:18,617
Hillary Clinton,
the U.S. Department of Justice,
1257
01:16:18,641 --> 01:16:21,208
the FBI, the U.S. Attorney
General's office,
1258
01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:24,144
senior members of the U.S.
police force, but not you.
1259
01:16:24,179 --> 01:16:26,714
Correct. I mean, look, I hate
to tell you the bad news.
1260
01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:27,915
There's no great conspiracy.
1261
01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:31,218
The facts of life
are that Dotcom
1262
01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:33,921
is someone the United States
thinks had broken the law.
1263
01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:35,233
He's somebody that
they're trying
1264
01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:37,191
to extradite to
the United States.
1265
01:16:37,226 --> 01:16:38,693
That's where
it starts and finishes.
1266
01:16:42,231 --> 01:16:44,298
[man] Kim Dotcom has failedin a last ditch attempt
1267
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:45,899
to have the 2012 raid
1268
01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:48,068
on his Coatesville mansion
ruled invalid.
1269
01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:50,181
The Supreme Court's found the
search warrants were legal.
1270
01:16:50,205 --> 01:16:51,750
[man] The policewon't be charging anyone
1271
01:16:51,774 --> 01:16:54,274
at the GCSB
in relation to a complaint
1272
01:16:54,309 --> 01:16:56,410
about spying on Kim Dotcom.
1273
01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:07,121
[Dotcom] Every time
we win, they appeal.
1274
01:17:07,156 --> 01:17:08,389
It's a default.
1275
01:17:10,025 --> 01:17:12,926
We win. They appeal.
1276
01:17:12,961 --> 01:17:16,030
And, you know, every time
they appeal, they win.
1277
01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:21,268
It's all very political.
1278
01:17:42,124 --> 01:17:44,659
[birds chirping]
1279
01:17:48,363 --> 01:17:52,233
[indistinct murmuring]
1280
01:17:58,741 --> 01:18:00,174
Hello, good morning.
1281
01:18:01,276 --> 01:18:02,977
Thank you all for coming.
1282
01:18:04,046 --> 01:18:05,212
Today is a big day.
1283
01:18:06,749 --> 01:18:09,983
We're launching
the Internet Party.
1284
01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:11,485
[camera shutters clicking]
1285
01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:16,857
[Fisher] I couldn't believe it.
1286
01:18:16,892 --> 01:18:19,293
"I said to Dotcom," Are you
really gonna do it, then?
1287
01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:21,295
Are you gonna go into politics?"
1288
01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:22,930
And he said, "Yeah."
1289
01:18:22,965 --> 01:18:25,933
And I thought,
"God, you've lost it.
1290
01:18:25,968 --> 01:18:27,468
That's completely mad."
1291
01:18:29,938 --> 01:18:32,740
[Dotcom] I couldn't care less about
politics. Are you kidding me?
1292
01:18:32,775 --> 01:18:34,408
Why would I get involved,
you know?
1293
01:18:34,443 --> 01:18:36,443
And then I found out
all these things.
1294
01:18:36,478 --> 01:18:39,012
Firsthand, being abused,
1295
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:42,082
being subject
to the abuse of power.
1296
01:18:42,117 --> 01:18:45,152
Yeah, of course. I wanted
to replace the government.
1297
01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:47,922
Why else would
I do it, you know?
1298
01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:53,794
[Fisher] For Mathias Ortmann,Bram van der Kolk,
1299
01:18:53,829 --> 01:18:56,964
Finn Batato, I think
that Dotcom's involvement
1300
01:18:56,999 --> 01:19:01,168
in politics was a sideshow
and a distraction.
1301
01:19:01,203 --> 01:19:04,138
They struggled to see
how it was going to stop
1302
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:06,907
an extradition process
that was under way,
1303
01:19:06,942 --> 01:19:08,876
how it was going
to change the charges
1304
01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:10,945
that they might face
in the United States.
1305
01:19:22,624 --> 01:19:25,126
[indistinct chatter]
1306
01:19:27,596 --> 01:19:31,766
We are a part of this Five
Eyes global spy network.
1307
01:19:37,206 --> 01:19:38,605
Thank you, guys.
1308
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,241
[Mona] Kim is alwaysthe super confident,
1309
01:19:41,276 --> 01:19:45,245
and I'm always the one worrying.
1310
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,849
But still, I'm a woman.
I would worry, of course.
1311
01:19:48,884 --> 01:19:50,984
That's my thing.
I'm a worry wart.
1312
01:19:51,019 --> 01:19:52,019
[indistinct chatter]
1313
01:19:53,956 --> 01:19:57,224
[Mona] You're stillkinda, like, left hanging.
1314
01:19:57,259 --> 01:19:59,993
Like, I don't even know what's
gonna happen six months from now.
1315
01:20:00,028 --> 01:20:01,895
Like, Kim's hearing
is still going on.
1316
01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:03,264
I just don't know.
1317
01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:07,100
I think the whole stress
really got to me,
1318
01:20:07,135 --> 01:20:09,236
and, you know, the raid,
of course, was part of it.
1319
01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:14,275
We were really happy
before, you know. Yeah.
1320
01:20:20,115 --> 01:20:22,583
[Dotcom] Mona had great
difficulty dealing with the raid.
1321
01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:26,520
She struggled with it,
1322
01:20:26,555 --> 01:20:29,857
and it affected
our relationship.
1323
01:20:29,892 --> 01:20:32,593
That's probably
the most regrettable outcome
1324
01:20:32,628 --> 01:20:35,329
of this whole case against me,
1325
01:20:35,364 --> 01:20:38,098
that our relationship
fell apart.
1326
01:20:41,336 --> 01:20:43,504
She was the love of my life.
1327
01:20:59,955 --> 01:21:03,090
[Bryce] It became apparentas the election year of 2014
1328
01:21:03,125 --> 01:21:07,194
was rolling on that the Internet
party was not going to succeed,
1329
01:21:07,229 --> 01:21:09,263
so Dotcom started
to look around for alliances.
1330
01:21:12,968 --> 01:21:15,569
The party that was willing
to work with him
1331
01:21:15,604 --> 01:21:17,237
was the Mana party,
1332
01:21:17,272 --> 01:21:21,174
which had a more
left wing and activist base.
1333
01:21:21,209 --> 01:21:22,910
[woman] Kim Dotcomhas told One News
1334
01:21:22,945 --> 01:21:25,412
he's now forked out
a whopping $4 million
1335
01:21:25,447 --> 01:21:27,247
for the deal
with the Mana party.
1336
01:21:27,282 --> 01:21:30,017
Kim Dotcom has
a particular legal interest
1337
01:21:30,052 --> 01:21:32,486
in not being sent back
to justice elsewhere.
1338
01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:34,922
[Prime Minister Key] Everybody
knows that Kim Dotcom
1339
01:21:34,957 --> 01:21:36,957
is putting money behind
the political party
1340
01:21:36,992 --> 01:21:39,627
to try and stop himself
from being extradited.
1341
01:21:44,032 --> 01:21:47,067
[child] Is Kim Dotcom
that big fellow?
1342
01:21:47,102 --> 01:21:48,680
[Fisher] It was importantfor the Mana party
1343
01:21:48,704 --> 01:21:52,172
to be able to introduce
its new political partner
1344
01:21:52,207 --> 01:21:54,341
to its constituency.
1345
01:21:54,376 --> 01:21:56,443
[speaking in foreign language]
1346
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:00,213
[Fisher] Town by town...
1347
01:22:00,248 --> 01:22:01,982
[yelling]
1348
01:22:02,017 --> 01:22:03,583
Marae by marae,
1349
01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:05,986
they would go down the country.
1350
01:22:06,021 --> 01:22:07,121
[crowd cheering]
1351
01:22:19,234 --> 01:22:23,337
[Bryce] Everyone was quite surprised
at how successful they were.
1352
01:22:23,372 --> 01:22:27,407
People took them seriously and
wondered whether they would play
1353
01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:29,443
an important part
in a new government.
1354
01:22:31,313 --> 01:22:33,247
And the media reported
everything they did.
1355
01:22:35,317 --> 01:22:39,619
I'm not sure that Internet Mana
handled that scrutiny very well.
1356
01:22:39,654 --> 01:22:41,154
You work in news.
1357
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:43,190
You puffed-up little [bleep]
1358
01:22:43,225 --> 01:22:44,591
You're a thief!
1359
01:22:44,626 --> 01:22:46,693
You're a thief, John Key.
1360
01:22:46,728 --> 01:22:48,562
[yelling]
1361
01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:51,598
[Fisher] The Internet Mana
road show had aspects
1362
01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:55,335
that appeared to be targeting
John Key personally.
1363
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:58,672
Are you ready for a revolution?
1364
01:22:58,707 --> 01:23:00,307
[crowd cheering]
1365
01:23:00,342 --> 01:23:03,410
Are you ready
to extradite John Key?
1366
01:23:03,445 --> 01:23:06,179
[crowd cheering]
1367
01:23:06,214 --> 01:23:08,315
[all chanting] Fuck John Key.
1368
01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:10,183
Fuck John Key.
1369
01:23:10,218 --> 01:23:13,153
Fuck John Key.
1370
01:23:13,188 --> 01:23:16,289
[man] Attacks on John Key have
hit new heights this campaign...
1371
01:23:16,324 --> 01:23:18,492
[crowd cheering]
1372
01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:21,661
This effigy burning
the latest online outrage.
1373
01:23:21,696 --> 01:23:23,230
[man] Fuck John Key.
1374
01:23:23,265 --> 01:23:25,532
[Fisher] It was probablythe nastiest election
1375
01:23:25,567 --> 01:23:29,302
that New Zealand has seen if not for
many, many decades, then forever.
1376
01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:31,772
[man] Fuck John Key!
1377
01:23:31,807 --> 01:23:34,508
[man] Kim Dotcom has promised
to drop a number of bombshells
1378
01:23:34,543 --> 01:23:36,610
that could topple
the Prime Minister John Key
1379
01:23:36,645 --> 01:23:40,147
at an upcoming event
billed "The Moment of Truth."
1380
01:23:54,162 --> 01:23:56,274
[Fisher] The day that the
Moment of Truth was to be held,
1381
01:23:56,298 --> 01:23:59,166
I'd received an email
1382
01:23:59,201 --> 01:24:03,303
which purported to show
1383
01:24:03,338 --> 01:24:09,309
that everything Dotcom had said
about the conspiracy was true,
1384
01:24:09,344 --> 01:24:12,246
that New Zealand
served him up on a plate.
1385
01:24:13,682 --> 01:24:16,149
So I rang Dotcom, and I said,
1386
01:24:16,184 --> 01:24:19,352
"Is this what you're gonna be pulling
out at the Moment of Truth tonight?"
1387
01:24:19,387 --> 01:24:20,654
And he said, "Yes, it is."
1388
01:24:34,436 --> 01:24:37,104
[man] So what kind of impact could
there be from all this tonight?
1389
01:24:37,139 --> 01:24:39,673
[man 2] Well, it is... these
are extraordinary revelations
1390
01:24:39,708 --> 01:24:43,410
to be laid out
five days before a campaign.
1391
01:24:43,445 --> 01:24:45,879
John Key is fighting really
for his political life.
1392
01:24:45,914 --> 01:24:47,914
Remember, he has said
he would resign
1393
01:24:47,949 --> 01:24:50,550
if there was any evidence
to show mass surveillance,
1394
01:24:50,585 --> 01:24:53,720
and of course we also have this
email on the Hollywood links.
1395
01:24:55,423 --> 01:24:58,325
[indistinct] Come on,
give him a kiss, ladies.
1396
01:25:11,706 --> 01:25:13,640
[Fisher] The Moment
of Truth for John Key
1397
01:25:13,675 --> 01:25:16,343
would've been
a high risk scenario
1398
01:25:16,378 --> 01:25:19,679
because the two things that
Dotcom had promised to produce
1399
01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,781
were things that
he said he was gonna resign
1400
01:25:21,816 --> 01:25:23,317
if they turned out
to be the case.
1401
01:25:28,456 --> 01:25:29,656
[Dotcom laughing]
1402
01:25:29,691 --> 01:25:32,759
[woman] Tonight,
we welcome the world
1403
01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:36,396
and to extend
the welcome of Aotearoa
1404
01:25:36,431 --> 01:25:38,798
to Glenn Greenwald...
1405
01:25:38,833 --> 01:25:41,568
[crowd cheering]
1406
01:25:46,474 --> 01:25:48,842
Julian Assange.
1407
01:25:48,877 --> 01:25:51,778
[crowd cheering]
1408
01:25:55,383 --> 01:25:57,317
Welcome, Edward Snowden.
1409
01:25:57,352 --> 01:25:59,920
[crowd cheering]
1410
01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,661
[Snowden] Hello, New Zealand.
1411
01:26:09,965 --> 01:26:15,268
[Fisher] The U.S. has this war
for control of the Internet,
1412
01:26:15,303 --> 01:26:17,604
and it is a war.
1413
01:26:17,639 --> 01:26:20,640
They don't feel that there should
be an organization like Wikileaks.
1414
01:26:20,675 --> 01:26:23,910
They believe that the spying that
they do should be kept secret.
1415
01:26:23,945 --> 01:26:26,947
They believe that
when it comes to copyright,
1416
01:26:26,982 --> 01:26:29,716
the approach that they have
1417
01:26:29,751 --> 01:26:31,785
should radiate out
across the world.
1418
01:26:33,655 --> 01:26:36,690
What we saw there
in that town hall,
1419
01:26:36,725 --> 01:26:37,758
that was the resistance.
1420
01:26:40,295 --> 01:26:42,862
[Snowden] You've got this network
of sensors around the world,
1421
01:26:42,897 --> 01:26:44,598
so I can see everything.
1422
01:26:44,633 --> 01:26:47,767
I can see what book
you looked at at Amazon.com.
1423
01:26:47,802 --> 01:26:49,436
I can see who you talk to.
1424
01:26:49,471 --> 01:26:51,671
I can see who
your friends on Facebook are.
1425
01:26:51,706 --> 01:26:53,940
I can see
the text messages you sent.
1426
01:26:53,975 --> 01:26:57,811
I can read the emails you
wrote, and I can set up things
1427
01:26:57,846 --> 01:26:59,846
[Glenn] ...exactly the
kind of mass surveillance
1428
01:26:59,881 --> 01:27:03,950
that Prime Minister Key not only
vehemently denied was being done,
1429
01:27:03,985 --> 01:27:06,253
but which he promised
he would resign
1430
01:27:06,288 --> 01:27:10,591
if it were determined his government
were actually engaged with.
1431
01:27:11,793 --> 01:27:13,860
[Julian]
Further, intelligence agencies
1432
01:27:13,895 --> 01:27:17,998
by definition
are designed to operate
1433
01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:20,000
outside the law,
1434
01:27:20,035 --> 01:27:22,435
and so they cannot be trusted.
1435
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:24,938
[Fisher] No matter what Assange
or Snowden were gonna say,
1436
01:27:27,309 --> 01:27:31,645
Dotcom was still
the emperor with new clothes.
1437
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,614
He hadn't produced the thing that
he had pledged that he would,
1438
01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:36,689
that he had been talking about
for ever so long...
1439
01:27:43,825 --> 01:27:47,327
and that was
a real problem for Dotcom
1440
01:27:47,362 --> 01:27:49,562
and for pretty much anybody
1441
01:27:49,597 --> 01:27:51,765
that had backed him up
until that point.
1442
01:27:54,736 --> 01:27:57,003
[man] What people have been
waiting for tonight
1443
01:27:57,038 --> 01:27:59,406
is when Kim Dotcom
came to the parliament
1444
01:27:59,441 --> 01:28:02,876
and said that he would prove
that John Key was a liar,
1445
01:28:02,911 --> 01:28:05,345
- tonight, we're, excuse me...
- [man 2] Which he did.
1446
01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:08,515
[Dotcom]
Which I did, absolutely...
1447
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:10,684
No, about knowing
about you before the raid.
1448
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,819
And let me
just reply to this, OK?
1449
01:28:12,854 --> 01:28:16,690
I think, and I want to address
all media here tonight.
1450
01:28:16,725 --> 01:28:19,092
You have an obligation
1451
01:28:19,127 --> 01:28:22,462
after what you have
learned tonight
1452
01:28:22,497 --> 01:28:26,766
to take the information
that you were told here
1453
01:28:26,801 --> 01:28:29,336
by Glenn Greenwald
and Edward Snowden
1454
01:28:29,371 --> 01:28:32,072
to the Prime Minister
and this government
1455
01:28:32,107 --> 01:28:34,074
and hold them accountable.
1456
01:28:34,109 --> 01:28:37,377
We have focused on
the much bigger lie,
1457
01:28:37,412 --> 01:28:38,912
which is not about my case,
1458
01:28:38,947 --> 01:28:42,415
which is about
every single New Zealander
1459
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:45,518
who is subjected
to mass surveillance.
1460
01:28:45,553 --> 01:28:48,021
That is the story that
you should focus on.
1461
01:28:48,056 --> 01:28:49,622
Get your priorities right.
1462
01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:50,924
[Patrick] We will. We will...
1463
01:28:50,959 --> 01:28:52,392
I hope you will,
1464
01:28:52,427 --> 01:28:55,128
because in the past, Patrick,
1465
01:28:55,163 --> 01:28:57,030
you have let
New Zealanders down.
1466
01:28:57,065 --> 01:28:59,999
I don't understand
how you let the Prime Minister
1467
01:29:00,034 --> 01:29:01,935
get away time and time again
1468
01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:03,903
with his lies and his spin.
1469
01:29:03,938 --> 01:29:05,171
You need to do your job,
1470
01:29:05,206 --> 01:29:07,440
and everyone here
needs to do their job.
1471
01:29:07,475 --> 01:29:09,709
[Patrick] I'm doing
my job by asking you.
1472
01:29:09,744 --> 01:29:12,579
Kim Dotcom, what's gone wrong?
Kim Dotcom, what's gone wrong?
1473
01:29:12,614 --> 01:29:14,381
Why couldn't you front
the evidence tonight?
1474
01:29:14,416 --> 01:29:16,716
- What's gone wrong?
- I think that's it.
1475
01:29:16,751 --> 01:29:18,418
Thank you, thank you very much.
1476
01:29:18,453 --> 01:29:24,190
[indistinct murmuring]
1477
01:29:24,225 --> 01:29:27,594
[Dotcom] That email, I know
it comes from hacker circles.
1478
01:29:27,629 --> 01:29:30,163
You know about
the famous Sony hack.
1479
01:29:30,198 --> 01:29:32,999
The same people who were
responsible for that
1480
01:29:33,034 --> 01:29:36,770
were responsible for this hack.
1481
01:29:36,805 --> 01:29:41,908
I was assured that that
email would contain headers,
1482
01:29:41,943 --> 01:29:46,546
which is what allows you
to identify all the details.
1483
01:29:46,581 --> 01:29:48,548
You know,
what mail server was used,
1484
01:29:48,583 --> 01:29:51,017
the date stamps that
would have allowed anyone
1485
01:29:51,052 --> 01:29:53,420
to verify the contents,
1486
01:29:53,455 --> 01:29:55,132
but unfortunately
the email was not leaked
1487
01:29:55,156 --> 01:29:59,192
with that information, so it
became useless for me. Yeah.
1488
01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:04,030
And I regret that I could
not use it in the event.
1489
01:30:09,971 --> 01:30:11,749
[man] [murmuring]
and welcome to Decision '14.
1490
01:30:11,773 --> 01:30:13,473
The campaign is over.
1491
01:30:13,508 --> 01:30:17,610
The voting is over,
and the counting has begun.
1492
01:30:17,645 --> 01:30:19,023
Now, politics is
very serious business.
1493
01:30:19,047 --> 01:30:20,747
This has been a fairly serious,
1494
01:30:20,782 --> 01:30:22,782
and at times thoroughly
unpleasant, campaign.
1495
01:30:22,817 --> 01:30:24,884
[indistinct chatter]
1496
01:30:24,919 --> 01:30:28,154
Now will be hoping that they've got
something to celebrate tonight.
1497
01:30:28,189 --> 01:30:31,157
[crowd cheering]
1498
01:30:31,192 --> 01:30:32,892
[Bryce] Right at the start,
1499
01:30:32,927 --> 01:30:34,961
there was quite a swelling
of support for Dotcom
1500
01:30:34,996 --> 01:30:38,198
because they saw him as someone
that had been the victim
1501
01:30:38,233 --> 01:30:41,968
of the big Goliaths
of the U.S., FBI,
1502
01:30:42,003 --> 01:30:45,638
the New Zealand Police,
but suddenly he was seen
1503
01:30:45,673 --> 01:30:47,140
as a more aggressive player,
1504
01:30:47,175 --> 01:30:50,177
and it was John Key
that was the underdog.
1505
01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:56,494
[man] The Internet Mana
party is in trouble.
1506
01:30:56,518 --> 01:30:57,962
[woman] Oh, my goodness,in the last 20 minutes,
1507
01:30:57,986 --> 01:31:00,553
it's all completely
changed out here.
1508
01:31:00,588 --> 01:31:04,090
[man] This is phenomenal. What we are
seeing here is the Internet Mana alliance
1509
01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:06,059
is not in Parliament,
1510
01:31:06,094 --> 01:31:09,295
and Kim Dotcom's millions and millions
of dollars goes down the drain.
1511
01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:12,031
[camera shutters clicking]
1512
01:31:12,066 --> 01:31:15,802
[crowd whistling]
1513
01:31:15,837 --> 01:31:17,504
[cheering and clapping]
1514
01:31:17,539 --> 01:31:19,706
Good evening, everybody.
1515
01:31:20,808 --> 01:31:24,010
We lost tonight because of me.
1516
01:31:24,045 --> 01:31:26,880
[crowd] No. No! No.
1517
01:31:26,915 --> 01:31:29,082
I take... I have to say this.
1518
01:31:29,117 --> 01:31:30,650
I have to say it. I am sorry.
1519
01:31:30,685 --> 01:31:32,585
[woman] It's how
the media portrayed you!
1520
01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:34,821
I'm... I'm really sorry
I have to say this.
1521
01:31:34,856 --> 01:31:36,623
I have to say this.
1522
01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:38,825
I take full responsibility
1523
01:31:39,827 --> 01:31:41,561
for this loss tonight
1524
01:31:41,596 --> 01:31:47,967
because the brand... the
brand Kim Dotcom was poison
1525
01:31:48,002 --> 01:31:50,336
for what we were
trying to achieve,
1526
01:31:50,371 --> 01:31:52,972
and I did not see that before,
1527
01:31:53,007 --> 01:31:57,043
and it only became apparent to
me in the last couple of weeks.
1528
01:31:57,078 --> 01:32:01,981
So to all of you
who have worked so hard,
1529
01:32:02,016 --> 01:32:04,350
I say, thank you very much.
1530
01:32:04,385 --> 01:32:08,121
[crowd cheering and clapping]
1531
01:32:10,358 --> 01:32:11,991
[man] Three more years.
1532
01:32:12,026 --> 01:32:14,928
[crowd cheering]
1533
01:32:21,135 --> 01:32:23,537
[bird chirping]
1534
01:32:24,906 --> 01:32:27,140
[fluttering]
1535
01:32:29,277 --> 01:32:32,212
[machine whirring]
1536
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:44,857
[Dotcom]
The day after the election,
1537
01:32:44,892 --> 01:32:47,627
the Solicitor General
of New Zealand
1538
01:32:47,662 --> 01:32:50,063
has approached
my lawyers and asking
1539
01:32:50,098 --> 01:32:53,066
if I was willing
to leave New Zealand,
1540
01:32:53,101 --> 01:32:55,368
the case would be resolved.
1541
01:32:57,405 --> 01:33:00,106
There wouldn't have
to be an extradition,
1542
01:33:00,141 --> 01:33:03,009
and this whole thing
could go away.
1543
01:33:05,113 --> 01:33:09,015
You don't do a raid like this
1544
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:14,654
and destroy a man's family
and his business
1545
01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:17,156
and cause so much pain
1546
01:33:17,191 --> 01:33:20,259
and get away with it
with some piece of paper
1547
01:33:20,294 --> 01:33:22,261
that says, "Yeah,
I've done something wrong",
1548
01:33:22,296 --> 01:33:25,131
but now I am free.
Thank you very much."
1549
01:33:25,166 --> 01:33:26,666
Well, fuck them.
1550
01:33:31,305 --> 01:33:34,274
[metal clattering]
1551
01:33:41,115 --> 01:33:43,149
[reporter] After fourand a half years of delays,
1552
01:33:43,184 --> 01:33:44,851
the extradition hearing
1553
01:33:44,886 --> 01:33:47,887
against Kim Dotcom
and the Megaupload co-accused
1554
01:33:47,922 --> 01:33:49,689
starts in Auckland,
New Zealand today.
1555
01:33:51,926 --> 01:33:53,804
The Judge will determine whether
the four men will be free
1556
01:33:53,828 --> 01:33:55,228
to remain in New Zealand
1557
01:33:55,263 --> 01:33:58,064
or whether
they will be sent to the U.S.,
1558
01:33:58,099 --> 01:34:00,700
where they could face
decades in prison.
1559
01:34:03,337 --> 01:34:06,806
This is cited as
the largest copyright case
1560
01:34:06,841 --> 01:34:08,842
that our world has ever seen.
1561
01:34:11,045 --> 01:34:14,347
We still think we should win,
and we are hopeful that we will.
1562
01:34:14,382 --> 01:34:15,982
We are.
1563
01:34:16,017 --> 01:34:17,928
Are you worried about
what the decision might be?
1564
01:34:17,952 --> 01:34:20,019
Please don't fall, OK?
Be careful there.
1565
01:34:20,054 --> 01:34:22,255
[Dotcom] I am very confident
in my legal team.
1566
01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:24,457
All our submissions
are excellent.
1567
01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:28,995
Any unbiased legal mind
is going to see
1568
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:30,830
what has happened here.
1569
01:34:41,776 --> 01:34:43,142
[Ron]
The case is really important
1570
01:34:43,177 --> 01:34:45,178
because it raises
important legal issues
1571
01:34:45,213 --> 01:34:49,082
in relation to
the extradition process,
1572
01:34:49,117 --> 01:34:52,151
but first, they've got to show
that the conduct they complain of
1573
01:34:52,186 --> 01:34:54,887
is, in fact, a crime.
1574
01:34:54,922 --> 01:34:59,826
We say, look, what you allege
on the facts is not a crime.
1575
01:34:59,861 --> 01:35:03,162
And Your Honor will see that there
is a specific piece of legislation
1576
01:35:03,197 --> 01:35:05,064
called the Copyright Act,
1577
01:35:05,099 --> 01:35:11,304
and it provides protection
for Internet Service Providers.
1578
01:35:11,339 --> 01:35:13,873
Simply providing that technology
1579
01:35:13,908 --> 01:35:18,344
to its users
does not expose a company
1580
01:35:18,379 --> 01:35:21,114
to civil or criminal liability.
1581
01:35:23,785 --> 01:35:25,351
[Greg] They seem very confident.
1582
01:35:25,386 --> 01:35:27,420
They always point
to the same things.
1583
01:35:27,455 --> 01:35:31,190
There's nothing in New Zealand-U.S.
treaty that covers copyright,
1584
01:35:31,225 --> 01:35:33,526
and they think that
they're gonna win.
1585
01:35:33,561 --> 01:35:36,562
OK. Miss Gordon.
1586
01:35:36,597 --> 01:35:41,100
The dishonesty at the core
of Megaupload's operations
1587
01:35:41,135 --> 01:35:44,270
may be expressed in
straightforward terms.
1588
01:35:44,305 --> 01:35:48,742
The evidence boils down
to a simple scheme of fraud,
1589
01:35:50,044 --> 01:35:54,213
not a passive dumb pipe
service provider,
1590
01:35:54,248 --> 01:35:58,584
but a massive hard drive
of infringing material.
1591
01:35:58,619 --> 01:36:02,855
[Greg] Christine Gordon represents
the United States of America.
1592
01:36:02,890 --> 01:36:06,225
She has to be, I'm sure,
tutored by the DOJ,
1593
01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:09,295
and the United States has gotten
1594
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:13,065
every ounce of
effort out of her.
1595
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,501
We have some good glimpses
of how the respondents
1596
01:36:15,536 --> 01:36:17,970
thought and acted
behind the scenes.
1597
01:36:18,005 --> 01:36:21,508
We have some highly revealing
communications between them.
1598
01:36:23,477 --> 01:36:26,045
As Mr. Ortmann privately put it,
1599
01:36:27,048 --> 01:36:28,348
copyright owners would find,
1600
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:32,552
and these are his words
that now follow.
1601
01:36:32,587 --> 01:36:36,856
"We are not the dumb pipe
we claim to be."
1602
01:36:36,891 --> 01:36:40,359
Bram van der Kolk marveled at
the position they had attained,
1603
01:36:40,394 --> 01:36:43,162
and these are his words:
1604
01:36:43,197 --> 01:36:47,633
"If copyright holders would really
know how big our business is,"
1605
01:36:47,668 --> 01:36:51,037
they would surely try
to do something against it.
1606
01:36:52,473 --> 01:36:55,174
They have no idea that
we are making millions
1607
01:36:55,209 --> 01:36:57,143
"in profit each month."
1608
01:36:59,447 --> 01:37:01,981
Ortmann told van der Kolk,
1609
01:37:02,016 --> 01:37:04,050
and these are
Mr. Ortmann's words:
1610
01:37:05,386 --> 01:37:08,454
"We did some things right.
1611
01:37:08,489 --> 01:37:12,025
We allowed fraud for a long
time, fueling our growth."
1612
01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:25,138
[Greg] I was startled.
1613
01:37:26,574 --> 01:37:28,341
I mean,
the whole court shuts up.
1614
01:37:28,376 --> 01:37:31,177
Everybody stops
because they're startling.
1615
01:37:32,947 --> 01:37:36,916
[Christine] On or about
August 16, 2010, via Skype,
1616
01:37:36,951 --> 01:37:41,687
Dotcom told Ortmann in
German, Mr. Dotcom's words:
1617
01:37:41,722 --> 01:37:46,592
"At some point, a judge will be
convinced about how evil we are,
1618
01:37:46,627 --> 01:37:48,228
and then we're in trouble."
1619
01:37:49,630 --> 01:37:54,066
[man] Objectively translated,
it should read,
1620
01:37:54,101 --> 01:37:55,601
"Because at some stage,"
1621
01:37:55,636 --> 01:38:00,339
a judge will be talked into
how bad we allegedly are,
1622
01:38:00,374 --> 01:38:02,975
"and then it will be a mess."
1623
01:38:03,010 --> 01:38:06,012
The United States had
the ability to select
1624
01:38:06,047 --> 01:38:08,114
what evidence
it wanted to present,
1625
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:10,049
and we sat and cherry-picked it.
1626
01:38:10,084 --> 01:38:12,318
It was very selective and biased
1627
01:38:12,353 --> 01:38:15,955
about the evidence it picked
and placed before our court,
1628
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:18,302
and a lot of the conversations
were also in a foreign language.
1629
01:38:18,326 --> 01:38:20,159
They were in German,
1630
01:38:20,194 --> 01:38:22,995
and as a result, the United
States relied on translations
1631
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:27,099
which we were able to show were
incorrect and, in fact, misleading.
1632
01:38:27,134 --> 01:38:31,370
Your Honor should also
have received this morning
1633
01:38:31,405 --> 01:38:33,539
a bundle that looks like this.
1634
01:38:33,574 --> 01:38:38,077
Part of section 101(B) is set out
in the submissions at page 65.
1635
01:38:38,112 --> 01:38:40,713
[man] It's the 21 October
red bundle, sir.
1636
01:38:43,017 --> 01:38:46,319
[Dotcom] And you need to understand
that this judge was spammed
1637
01:38:46,354 --> 01:38:49,622
with thousands of
pages of submissions
1638
01:38:49,657 --> 01:38:51,657
by the U.S. government.
1639
01:38:51,692 --> 01:38:56,662
They basically
drowned him in material,
1640
01:38:56,697 --> 01:39:01,067
and I knew he didn't understand
anything about the case.
1641
01:39:01,102 --> 01:39:06,072
He had no clue about
the Internet, about copyright.
1642
01:39:06,107 --> 01:39:08,307
At one point in one hearing,
1643
01:39:08,342 --> 01:39:11,477
he asked if Mega
was cow storage?
1644
01:39:11,512 --> 01:39:14,080
Not cloud storage, cow storage.
1645
01:39:16,817 --> 01:39:19,218
[Ron] It wasa pretty frustrating hearing.
1646
01:39:19,253 --> 01:39:22,588
We had prepared over many hours,
1647
01:39:22,623 --> 01:39:27,226
and we had committed significant
human and financial resources
1648
01:39:27,261 --> 01:39:28,661
into mounting
what we thought was
1649
01:39:28,696 --> 01:39:31,697
a very credible defense
to extradition,
1650
01:39:31,732 --> 01:39:34,100
and most of our arguments
were marginalized
1651
01:39:34,135 --> 01:39:35,735
or not even considered
by the court.
1652
01:39:58,092 --> 01:40:00,126
[Judge] The overwhelming
preponderance of evidence
1653
01:40:00,161 --> 01:40:01,560
produced by the applicant
1654
01:40:01,595 --> 01:40:03,829
in the Record of Case
and its supplements
1655
01:40:03,864 --> 01:40:05,631
establishes a prima facie case
1656
01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:08,334
to answer for all respondents
on each of the counts.
1657
01:40:10,704 --> 01:40:12,671
The decision has found
that all four respondents
1658
01:40:12,706 --> 01:40:15,274
are all eligible
for extradition.
1659
01:40:15,309 --> 01:40:19,245
Therefore, the sentence...
[indistinct]
1660
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,595
[man]
Time has passed by Megaupload.
1661
01:41:11,699 --> 01:41:13,410
There's always gonna be people
who wanna pirate,
1662
01:41:13,434 --> 01:41:14,711
and there's always gonna be
these services,
1663
01:41:14,735 --> 01:41:16,102
but are they
gonna be mainstream?
1664
01:41:16,137 --> 01:41:17,570
I would argue no.
1665
01:41:22,176 --> 01:41:24,376
Piracy is in decline.
1666
01:41:24,411 --> 01:41:26,812
But, they told us
all along, the tech side said,
1667
01:41:26,847 --> 01:41:28,380
"Hey, if you make it easy"
1668
01:41:28,415 --> 01:41:30,583
to get our hands on
at a cheap price,
1669
01:41:30,618 --> 01:41:32,818
it's easily accessible,
1670
01:41:32,853 --> 01:41:36,388
"there's not gonna be any piracy,"
and that's what they did.
1671
01:41:36,423 --> 01:41:38,191
They've gotten the message.
1672
01:41:41,896 --> 01:41:44,663
[Greg] What good is itto throw him in jail now?
1673
01:41:44,698 --> 01:41:46,398
Find out what the guy knows.
1674
01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:48,200
Make a partnership with him.
1675
01:41:48,235 --> 01:41:50,169
You got his money,
1676
01:41:50,204 --> 01:41:52,838
and I'd say the smart move is,
right, like the godfather.
1677
01:41:52,873 --> 01:41:54,484
Keep your friends close
and your enemies closer.
1678
01:41:54,508 --> 01:41:55,708
They should be doing that.
1679
01:41:55,743 --> 01:41:57,710
While we have
perfectly good reason
1680
01:41:57,745 --> 01:42:00,913
to want to prevent
piracy of content
1681
01:42:00,948 --> 01:42:04,316
and allow artists and the
companies that support them
1682
01:42:04,351 --> 01:42:06,952
that make a profit
off of what they do,
1683
01:42:06,987 --> 01:42:08,587
the mechanisms that we're using
1684
01:42:08,622 --> 01:42:10,256
to try and enforce these things
1685
01:42:10,291 --> 01:42:12,625
are also mechanisms
for censorship
1686
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:16,362
and for oppression of
freedom of thought,
1687
01:42:16,397 --> 01:42:19,565
and it's a slippery slope.
1688
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:20,866
That's a dangerous thing.
1689
01:42:20,901 --> 01:42:22,802
[seagulls squawking]
1690
01:42:31,712 --> 01:42:33,552
[Dotcom] It's not aboutwhat's right any more.
1691
01:42:33,581 --> 01:42:36,882
It's about winning at all cost.
1692
01:42:36,917 --> 01:42:39,919
They wanna drag me down.
1693
01:42:39,954 --> 01:42:42,688
To win, that's all
that matters to them,
1694
01:42:42,723 --> 01:42:44,256
but they picked the wrong guy
1695
01:42:44,291 --> 01:42:45,925
because you can't drag me down,
1696
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:46,960
and I will win.
1697
01:43:20,728 --> 01:43:22,394
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1698
01:43:22,429 --> 01:43:24,697
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1699
01:43:26,433 --> 01:43:27,933
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1700
01:43:27,968 --> 01:43:30,870
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1701
01:43:31,939 --> 01:43:33,472
♪ Treat me like ♪
1702
01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:35,908
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1703
01:43:37,645 --> 01:43:39,011
♪ Treat me like ♪
1704
01:43:39,046 --> 01:43:41,714
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1705
01:43:43,384 --> 01:43:44,883
♪ I know you don't love me ♪
1706
01:43:44,918 --> 01:43:48,854
♪ But you don't have
To be so cruel ♪
1707
01:43:48,889 --> 01:43:50,589
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1708
01:43:50,624 --> 01:43:54,893
♪ But you don't have
To be so cruel ♪
1709
01:43:54,928 --> 01:43:59,232
♪ Treat me like
A lowdown stupid fool ♪
1710
01:44:00,601 --> 01:44:04,770
♪ Treat me like
A lowdown stupid fool ♪
1711
01:44:06,707 --> 01:44:09,575
♪ Was letting go ♪
1712
01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:12,344
♪ Just sing a song ♪
1713
01:44:12,379 --> 01:44:15,281
♪ And now it's over ♪
1714
01:44:15,316 --> 01:44:16,982
♪ Call off the line ♪
1715
01:44:17,017 --> 01:44:18,684
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1716
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:21,320
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1717
01:44:22,723 --> 01:44:24,390
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1718
01:44:24,425 --> 01:44:27,260
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1719
01:44:28,529 --> 01:44:29,895
♪ Treat me like ♪
1720
01:44:29,930 --> 01:44:32,732
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1721
01:44:34,034 --> 01:44:35,567
♪ Treat me like ♪
1722
01:44:35,602 --> 01:44:38,271
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1723
01:44:39,673 --> 01:44:41,340
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1724
01:44:41,375 --> 01:44:43,809
♪ But you don't have
To be so bad ♪
1725
01:44:45,379 --> 01:44:46,879
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1726
01:44:46,914 --> 01:44:49,715
♪ But you don't have
To be so bad ♪
1727
01:44:51,051 --> 01:44:52,584
♪ Treat me like ♪
1728
01:44:52,619 --> 01:44:55,454
♪ The worst thing You ever had ♪
1729
01:44:56,690 --> 01:44:58,057
♪ Treat me like ♪
1730
01:44:58,092 --> 01:45:01,027
♪ The worst thing You ever had ♪
1731
01:45:02,996 --> 01:45:05,664
♪ I'm so alone ♪
1732
01:45:05,699 --> 01:45:09,068
♪ Like I'm gonna die ♪
1733
01:45:09,103 --> 01:45:11,036
♪ Just so sad ♪
1734
01:45:11,071 --> 01:45:12,037
♪ I cry ♪
1735
01:45:12,072 --> 01:45:13,672
♪ I cry ♪
1736
01:45:13,707 --> 01:45:15,374
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1737
01:45:15,409 --> 01:45:17,677
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1738
01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:20,746
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1739
01:45:20,781 --> 01:45:23,582
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1740
01:45:24,918 --> 01:45:26,452
♪ Treat me like ♪
1741
01:45:26,487 --> 01:45:29,388
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1742
01:45:30,591 --> 01:45:31,957
♪ Treat me like ♪
1743
01:45:31,992 --> 01:45:34,627
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1744
01:45:59,987 --> 01:46:02,488
♪ Oh sweetness ♪
1745
01:46:02,523 --> 01:46:05,524
♪ My love and more ♪
1746
01:46:05,559 --> 01:46:07,693
♪ Please don't go ♪
1747
01:46:07,728 --> 01:46:10,162
♪ Oh please don't go ♪
1748
01:46:10,197 --> 01:46:11,864
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1749
01:46:11,899 --> 01:46:14,433
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1750
01:46:15,869 --> 01:46:17,536
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1751
01:46:17,571 --> 01:46:20,139
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1752
01:46:21,508 --> 01:46:22,875
♪ Treat me like ♪
1753
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:25,511
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1754
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,614
♪ Treat me like ♪
1755
01:46:28,649 --> 01:46:31,384
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1756
01:46:32,586 --> 01:46:34,086
♪ I know you don't love me ♪
1757
01:46:34,121 --> 01:46:36,822
♪ Well you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1758
01:46:38,225 --> 01:46:39,892
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1759
01:46:39,927 --> 01:46:42,561
♪ But you don't have
to be so mean ♪
1760
01:46:44,031 --> 01:46:45,564
♪ Treat me like ♪
1761
01:46:45,599 --> 01:46:48,534
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1762
01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:51,136
♪ Treat me like ♪
1763
01:46:51,171 --> 01:46:53,839
♪ The worst thing
You ever seen ♪
1764
01:46:55,242 --> 01:46:56,909
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1765
01:46:56,944 --> 01:46:59,645
♪ But you don't have
to be so mean ♪
1766
01:47:00,848 --> 01:47:02,514
♪ I know you don't love me ♪
1767
01:47:02,549 --> 01:47:05,484
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1768
01:47:06,653 --> 01:47:08,153
♪ I know you don't love me ♪
1769
01:47:08,188 --> 01:47:10,723
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1770
01:47:12,125 --> 01:47:13,792
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1771
01:47:13,827 --> 01:47:16,429
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1772
01:47:17,831 --> 01:47:19,498
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1773
01:47:19,533 --> 01:47:21,901
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
1774
01:47:23,303 --> 01:47:24,970
♪ I know You don't love me ♪
1775
01:47:25,005 --> 01:47:27,440
♪ But you don't have
To be so mean ♪
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