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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:24,733 I do remember being in Vegas with him. 2 00:00:24,816 --> 00:00:26,234 It was on! 3 00:00:26,317 --> 00:00:28,611 The party was starting right away. 4 00:00:29,362 --> 00:00:32,782 Mixin' it up. Bring on the shookers! 5 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:34,701 That's whores and sluts, you're gonna learn. 6 00:00:34,784 --> 00:00:36,828 - That's smart hookers. - Yeah. 7 00:00:36,911 --> 00:00:37,911 Wow. 8 00:00:41,416 --> 00:00:44,210 One thing about Dennis: he had to escape. 9 00:00:44,294 --> 00:00:46,880 He'd like to go out. He liked to go to clubs. 10 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:51,134 We'd go to his favorite restaurant, then we'd go to a nightclub, 11 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:53,094 then we'd go to after hours. It didn't stop. 12 00:00:56,181 --> 00:00:58,224 It's all about getting your groove on, right? 13 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:02,687 It was definitely an occupational hazard to be Dennis' girlfriend. 14 00:01:04,355 --> 00:01:05,648 He was wild. 15 00:01:08,943 --> 00:01:11,154 ♪ It's Kamikaze time ♪ 16 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:13,406 ♪ It's time to blow your mind ♪ 17 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:15,742 ♪ It's Kamikaze time ♪ 18 00:01:15,825 --> 00:01:17,285 Suck it down, motherfucker! 19 00:01:19,954 --> 00:01:23,541 But to be honest, I didn't realize what the team's schedule was. 20 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:25,710 I didn't know he took a detour. 21 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,052 Did Dennis come back on time? 22 00:01:34,135 --> 00:01:35,512 Mmm-mmm. 23 00:01:35,595 --> 00:01:39,099 He didn't come back on time. We had to go get his ass out of bed. 24 00:01:39,182 --> 00:01:43,394 And I'm not gonna say what's in his bed and where he was and blah, blah, blah. 25 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,898 There's a knock on the door. It's Michael Jordan, 26 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:48,358 and I hid. 27 00:01:48,858 --> 00:01:52,904 I didn't want him to see me like that, so I... 28 00:01:52,987 --> 00:01:55,865 I'm just hiding behind the couch with covers over me. 29 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:58,701 "Come on, you... We gotta get to practice." 30 00:01:59,285 --> 00:02:01,412 Dennis came back and joined the team. 31 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:04,541 And that's the way it went that year. 32 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:08,813 I wanted to tell you... 33 00:02:08,837 --> 00:02:10,922 Did you get your body through anything today, Dennis? 34 00:02:11,005 --> 00:02:15,051 You gotta put your body through things so the muscles have a memorization, too. 35 00:02:16,219 --> 00:02:20,974 His body made it here, Phil. Don't beg for too much. 36 00:02:22,475 --> 00:02:24,811 Michael and Scottie accepted me for who I am. 37 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:30,150 They say, "You know what? He does what he does, but he cares a lot." 38 00:02:31,484 --> 00:02:33,319 I go party hard, but I work hard. 39 00:02:34,404 --> 00:02:38,241 I think that we get along so well because we wanna win. We wanna win a championship. 40 00:02:43,746 --> 00:02:44,914 Kamikaze. 41 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,378 A spectacular move! 42 00:02:50,461 --> 00:02:51,963 The game's over! 43 00:02:52,046 --> 00:02:54,382 Chicago Stadium is going wild! 44 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:58,782 First of all, there's no backstabbing going on here. 45 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:00,263 It's time for me to move on. 46 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:02,746 This will be Phil's last year as coach of the Bulls. 47 00:03:04,893 --> 00:03:07,413 - Are the expectations too high? - Where do we go from here? 48 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:10,231 The only question: how long can it last? 49 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:56,444 After his vacation, Dennis comes back to practice. 50 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:00,448 Phil's now... His whole motive is to get Dennis back in shape. 51 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:04,535 So, we start this drill called the Indian drill. 52 00:04:05,578 --> 00:04:07,205 Everybody starts running in a line. 53 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:12,418 And Phil blows a whistle. Whoever's at the back, run to the front. 54 00:04:12,502 --> 00:04:16,589 Now, you can't stop. Whoever's in front controls the pace. 55 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:19,217 So, I'm saying, "Fuck, this is kind of messed up," 56 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,054 because now I'm getting caught up in "Dennis getting in shape drill," 57 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:25,056 when in essence, I hadn't taken a vacation. 58 00:04:25,139 --> 00:04:29,102 So I tell everybody in that group, "Look, whoever gets in the front of that row, 59 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:31,020 slow down to a fucking walk. 60 00:04:31,104 --> 00:04:34,107 We just gonna jog and jog and jog and jog." 61 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:41,572 So, Steve Kerr and Jud Buechler, they all get to the line, we just slowly, 62 00:04:41,656 --> 00:04:44,867 we just running, slowly just running, and then, 63 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:46,286 Dennis takes off. Boom! 64 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:47,704 Now, he blows the whistle. 65 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:51,666 Now, we cannot stop until we get back in front of Dennis. 66 00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:54,127 It took us four laps to catch up to Dennis. 67 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:57,547 It was in his psyche. He needed to get away. 68 00:04:57,630 --> 00:04:59,841 But, in all honesty, Dennis was always there. 69 00:04:59,924 --> 00:05:01,592 He was always on point. 70 00:05:06,097 --> 00:05:09,434 Phil realized that I was different, man. 71 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:13,354 Phil knew me so well, 'cause he knew I... 72 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:17,066 So much shit I was doing. But I had to get my head right. 73 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,861 But that's what's so cool about playing with that team, 74 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:24,532 and they was all about... Anybody needed to do something, they was all about it. 75 00:05:24,615 --> 00:05:26,034 And Phil was cool about it. 76 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:29,871 Dennis is always a rebel, at some point. 77 00:05:29,954 --> 00:05:33,833 He wants to join the group, but the other part of him wants to be autonomous. 78 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:37,795 So, we appreciate the fact that he's a maverick. 79 00:05:38,504 --> 00:05:41,049 But yet, when it comes time for him to perform, 80 00:05:41,132 --> 00:05:43,968 he's always on the court for us, always playing hard for us. 81 00:05:45,928 --> 00:05:47,555 Dennis and I have this... 82 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,975 Native American bond between us. 83 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:56,606 He comes in one day, and Dennis and I met in the team room. 84 00:05:57,231 --> 00:05:59,317 In the team room, I have a bear claw necklace, 85 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,570 a turtle shell that came from another Indian reservation, 86 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,198 and various other Indian artifacts. 87 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,495 And so, Dennis is like, "Wow." 88 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:14,415 He said, "I have this necklace from the Ponca Indians in Oklahoma. 89 00:06:14,999 --> 00:06:16,501 I can... I'm hip to that." 90 00:06:16,584 --> 00:06:21,214 And I say, "Dennis, in their tradition, and the tradition that I knew, 91 00:06:21,297 --> 00:06:24,342 you would be a heyoka, a backward-walking person. 92 00:06:24,842 --> 00:06:27,387 There were people that were different, and you're a heyoka. 93 00:06:27,470 --> 00:06:29,597 So, you're this heyoka in this tribe." 94 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:34,432 He don't look at me as a basketball player. 95 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:35,853 He look at me as a great friend. 96 00:06:36,687 --> 00:06:39,399 He realized that I probably needed him for inspiration. 97 00:06:41,067 --> 00:06:43,277 He wants to see me persevere. 98 00:06:46,155 --> 00:06:50,368 I had never met a coach who was that different 99 00:06:50,952 --> 00:06:55,415 and genuine when it came to bringing the group together. 100 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:59,419 He had this real interest in Native American history, 101 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:04,006 and he would weave that into our own culture. 102 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:08,469 He brought in Zen Buddhism and Native American Indian philosophies. 103 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:12,140 Everything was about being focused, playing as one. 104 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:23,724 When I was at Great Falls as a kid growing up, 105 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,239 my grandparents had this boarding house with small little cabins. 106 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:32,743 And Native American people from a popular Indian reservation 107 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:34,871 used to come and they'd have their kids. 108 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:40,585 And so I started learning more and more about this Native American culture. 109 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:44,839 There was a certain negativity about playing with these kids. 110 00:07:45,506 --> 00:07:46,841 I didn't feel that at all. 111 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:50,303 Cowboys and Indians was a game that kids played. 112 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:51,971 And I was always the Indian. 113 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,434 My dad was a pastor. 114 00:07:57,018 --> 00:07:59,103 My mother was also a minister. 115 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:04,108 She had an extreme belief about the, uh, second coming of Christ. 116 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:09,697 So, that was something that was foremost in your mind in growing up. 117 00:08:10,364 --> 00:08:12,241 "Would you be ready, if Christ came, 118 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:16,454 to be taken as part of that group that would be raptured?" 119 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:20,875 My goal was always in conflict. 120 00:08:20,958 --> 00:08:24,253 I would rather be playing sports than being on my knees, praying. 121 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:28,633 I played basketball from the time I was a little kid, 122 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,595 and eventually went to the University of North Dakota. 123 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:35,596 Jackson is having a whale of a night. 124 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,016 He scored 28 in the first half 125 00:08:37,099 --> 00:08:39,685 and has continued the onslaught here in the second half. 126 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:43,856 The Knicks drafted me in the second round. 127 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:47,610 And I'd made the All-Rookie Team, my rookie season. 128 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:49,612 Jackson defensively gets the ball. 129 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:51,489 I remember seeing Phil Jackson. 130 00:08:51,572 --> 00:08:53,324 Jackson knocking it away... 131 00:08:53,407 --> 00:08:55,243 He was always smacking guys around. 132 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:58,788 He was like an earlier version of Dennis Rodman. 133 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:03,417 I was 11 years with the Knicks. 134 00:09:03,501 --> 00:09:06,420 We had seven good years. We went to the finals three years. 135 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:08,631 White has the ball. Stolen by Jackson! 136 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:11,926 Racing ahead of the field, he drives, lays it up... 137 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:13,844 And we won two championships. 138 00:09:23,145 --> 00:09:25,439 Phil and I wrote Maverick together. 139 00:09:27,191 --> 00:09:29,402 In that book, Phil talks about taking acid. 140 00:09:33,447 --> 00:09:37,868 And thinking he was a lion, roaring up and down the beach in LA. 141 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:39,829 Phil was like a hippie 142 00:09:40,538 --> 00:09:44,375 and different from the NBA fraternity. 143 00:09:45,459 --> 00:09:47,003 When I was playing as a pro, 144 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:49,839 Red Holzman encouraged me to think about coaching, 145 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:53,426 and particularly in Puerto Rico, where I ended up coaching for a while. 146 00:09:55,177 --> 00:09:59,682 I spent a lot of time down there in the Superior League, it was called. 147 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:01,309 They played every other day. 148 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:05,688 And these players would just play ferociously. 149 00:10:17,575 --> 00:10:20,911 Jackson steps on the court to argue with the referees. 150 00:10:20,995 --> 00:10:24,123 There was a local animosity among these small towns. 151 00:10:26,208 --> 00:10:30,087 There were fires on your way out of town, and rocks being thrown at your car. 152 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:34,050 They'd kill a chicken... in a graveyard, 153 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:37,511 and pour the blood on the visiting team's bench. 154 00:10:38,512 --> 00:10:41,891 The town I went to, Quebradillas, was ferocious. 155 00:10:41,974 --> 00:10:45,853 The mayor had actually shot an official one time with a gun 156 00:10:45,936 --> 00:10:47,897 and hit him in the lower leg. 157 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,649 So, his punishment was 158 00:10:49,732 --> 00:10:53,694 he wasn't allowed to go to any more home games for the rest of the season. 159 00:10:55,112 --> 00:10:57,615 But, really, there's a lot of love about the game, 160 00:10:57,698 --> 00:11:00,159 and I learned a lot of things from the process. 161 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:06,499 And then I got a call about coaching over in the CBA for the Albany Patroons. 162 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:10,753 And now introducing the head coach of the Patroons, 163 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:14,090 formerly of the New York Knickerbockers, Phil Jackson. 164 00:11:14,173 --> 00:11:15,341 Phil Jackson. 165 00:11:15,925 --> 00:11:18,886 Then in '84, we won the championship. 166 00:11:18,969 --> 00:11:20,388 They came together as a group, 167 00:11:20,471 --> 00:11:22,640 and it's been a great team effort ever since. 168 00:11:22,723 --> 00:11:24,058 - We're ecstatic. - Whoo! 169 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:27,812 After that, the Bulls tracked me down, 170 00:11:27,895 --> 00:11:33,317 and I got up to interview for an assistant job under Stan Albeck. 171 00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:37,279 Jerry Krause and I had a really good relationship. 172 00:11:37,363 --> 00:11:38,906 I wanted to bring Phil in. 173 00:11:39,407 --> 00:11:42,785 He came in, uh... not dressed real well. 174 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:44,578 Stan was very conservative. 175 00:11:44,662 --> 00:11:47,039 Phil looked anything but conservative at that point. 176 00:11:47,123 --> 00:11:51,836 And Stan quickly, uh, nixed that idea. Two years later, we had an opening. 177 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:55,214 And this time I called Phil, and I told him how to dress 178 00:11:55,297 --> 00:11:59,677 and how to, uh, talk to Doug. Doug Collins was our coach. 179 00:12:00,302 --> 00:12:03,389 And I kind of helped Doug think about it, and we hired Phil. 180 00:12:06,767 --> 00:12:08,227 Under Doug Collins, 181 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:10,688 one of the assistant coaches was Tex Winter. 182 00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:14,692 Jerry Krause had the idea that Tex was gonna be a mentor. 183 00:12:14,775 --> 00:12:18,904 Doug was gonna follow the things that he would teach as a coach. 184 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:22,742 When I took this job 11 years ago, the first person we hired was Tex Winter. 185 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:27,621 He's a brilliant man. The finest offensive mind in basketball. 186 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:30,332 Triangle is formed between... 187 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:35,921 Forward Two, Guard One, who has now moved to the corner, 188 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,799 and Center Five, who forms the apex of the triangle. 189 00:12:39,967 --> 00:12:42,344 He had a system called "the triangle." 190 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:46,015 Jerry said, "I've been listening to his basketball philosophy for years. 191 00:12:46,557 --> 00:12:49,935 He's got the kind of philosophy I'd like to see happen with this team." 192 00:12:51,061 --> 00:12:52,855 Doug's philosophy was different. 193 00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:56,609 Doug would have these plays that always ended up with Michael Jordan 194 00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:58,736 being the recipient of the score. 195 00:12:59,695 --> 00:13:00,738 Tex was always like, 196 00:13:00,821 --> 00:13:03,657 "There's a way of playing this game that's different than that." 197 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,620 Tex Winter... would berate Doug about, 198 00:13:07,703 --> 00:13:11,248 "You should institute the triangle." Doug would not hear of it. 199 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,292 Doug finally had heard it enough and said, 200 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:16,837 "I'm tired of hearing that," and then the argument escalated a bit, 201 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:19,548 and Tex Winter was banned from the bench. 202 00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:23,928 He wasn't coaching on the floor anymore. 203 00:13:24,011 --> 00:13:27,181 He was sitting in the corner, taking notes about the practice. 204 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:30,100 Jerry Krause was really unhappy with that. 205 00:13:31,101 --> 00:13:32,978 During that period of time, 206 00:13:33,062 --> 00:13:36,148 Krause made the decision that I should work together with Tex. 207 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:41,195 Phil was picking the brains of the best basketball man I've ever known, 208 00:13:41,278 --> 00:13:42,571 and I was watching it. 209 00:13:43,697 --> 00:13:45,074 And I thought, you know what? 210 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:47,701 This is getting more and more interesting all the time. 211 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:50,955 Is there anything that you missed? 212 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,415 You still got a bit more room. 213 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:56,585 I could've done another tier here, Mike. 214 00:13:56,669 --> 00:13:58,546 Mike, we want you to deny the ball, 215 00:13:58,629 --> 00:14:01,131 so they can't throw the ball in easy to the blocks. 216 00:14:01,215 --> 00:14:03,133 So, big man, if your man clears, 217 00:14:03,217 --> 00:14:05,094 you must tell Michael that he's alone out there 218 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:07,346 so he doesn't get naked on a back-door situation. 219 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:13,602 Midway through my second year, I felt Phil could be the coach. 220 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:17,439 - What gave you that sense? - Just sense. 221 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:22,778 - You don't want to go into the details? - It's just feeling. 222 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:26,198 Jerry wanted to talk to me, so I go in and talk. 223 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:30,452 He says, "I may have to do something that's gonna rock this... franchise." 224 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:33,163 I said, "What?" He says, "I'm gonna have to fire Doug Collins." 225 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:35,332 I said, "It's gonna be some fuckin' balls, 226 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,294 fire a guy that just took us to the Eastern Conference Final." 227 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:42,381 If you're getting ready for work now, you're probably not Doug Collins. 228 00:14:42,464 --> 00:14:45,634 The Bulls head coach was fired in a surprise move yesterday. 229 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:49,305 I have the worst-kept secret in town sitting next to me. 230 00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:52,850 You guys, as usual, got us on that one. 231 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:55,060 For the last two years, 232 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:58,230 Phil Jackson has been a very integral part of this organization. 233 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:01,525 He's now ready to be a head coach. Welcome, coach. 234 00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:02,693 Thanks, Jerry. 235 00:15:03,944 --> 00:15:05,864 Have you talked to Michael Jordan yet? 236 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:07,948 - Yes, I have. - What'd he say? 237 00:15:08,032 --> 00:15:10,534 "Congratulations! Let's go win a championship." 238 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:15,581 Phil took over and just had a different approach. 239 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:20,669 Doug's approach was more catered to Michael, 240 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:25,549 and Phil's approach was more catered to the team. 241 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:29,261 I wasn't a Phil Jackson fan, you know, when he first came in, 242 00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:32,473 because he was coming in to take the ball out of my hands. 243 00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:34,266 Doug put the ball in my hands. 244 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:38,312 Tex Winter, his right-hand man, 245 00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:41,649 had sold him on an offense that he believed 246 00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:46,737 would get us out of this one-on-one type of basketball. 247 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:48,697 The triangle offense is set 248 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:52,201 so that there's a key pass that creates motion. 249 00:15:53,827 --> 00:15:57,665 Then there's 33 different types of options that come out of that single pass. 250 00:15:58,415 --> 00:16:05,047 Players can do spontaneous, creative things using their strengths. 251 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:08,258 Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball 252 00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:11,637 but I didn't want Bill Cartwright to have the ball with five seconds left. 253 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 ...bounce into Cartwright, shoots over Rollins. Nope. 254 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:18,852 That's not equal-opportunity offense. That's fucking bullshit. 255 00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:23,440 Oh, my! Michael Jordan has 54 points! 256 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,526 Sixty points for Jordan! 257 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:28,320 Sixty-nine points for Michael Jordan. 258 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:31,407 There was so many times Tex used to yell at me, saying, 259 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:34,576 "Move the ball. Move the ball." He says, "No 'I' in team." 260 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,328 I said, "There's an 'I' in win." 261 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:40,040 I met Michael and I told him what we were gonna do. 262 00:16:40,124 --> 00:16:45,212 "Obviously, you've scored 37, 38 points a game the last couple years. 263 00:16:45,295 --> 00:16:48,841 I don't anticipate you're going to be the scoring champion in the league. 264 00:16:49,425 --> 00:16:53,429 The spotlight's on the ball and if you're always the guy that's gonna have the ball, 265 00:16:53,512 --> 00:16:56,682 teams can generate a defense against that, 266 00:16:56,765 --> 00:16:59,560 which happened with the Pistons the last couple years." 267 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:02,104 He said, "I'm not worried about you, 268 00:17:02,187 --> 00:17:04,690 but we gotta find a way to make everybody else better. 269 00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:06,025 We gotta create other threats." 270 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,404 I came in the game as being a point guard, 271 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:15,909 but my growth sort of, uh, grew me into a small forward. 272 00:17:17,077 --> 00:17:21,123 The triangle offense allowed me to be more of what I wanted to be. 273 00:17:21,915 --> 00:17:24,251 Scottie Pippen's turnaround! 274 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:27,796 Scottie kinda developed that new position called the point forward. 275 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:30,924 Instead of being in Michael's shadow, 276 00:17:31,008 --> 00:17:34,053 Scottie was starting to blossom as one of the top players in the NBA. 277 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,263 Beautiful move by Scottie! 278 00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:40,142 Making his All-Star debut from the Chicago Bulls, Scottie Pippen. 279 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:49,026 Michael Jordan is making an adjustment to this new philosophy, 280 00:17:49,109 --> 00:17:51,945 which tries to relieve him of the offensive burden. 281 00:17:52,529 --> 00:17:56,408 He realized that him playing and just scoring 30 points 282 00:17:56,492 --> 00:17:59,328 wasn't going to win the last game of the season. 283 00:17:59,411 --> 00:18:01,997 I'm not gonna be the type of person 284 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,833 who's very hungry to lead the league in scoring once again, 285 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,960 or to chase individual accolades. 286 00:18:07,544 --> 00:18:12,257 He made a conscious effort to say, "No individual is gonna be the team." 287 00:18:12,341 --> 00:18:14,676 Now, I'm more or less geared towards team success. 288 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:16,929 That's a special thing to have happen, 289 00:18:17,012 --> 00:18:20,516 when the largest icon that the NBA's ever had understands that, 290 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:22,976 "I don't have to have the ball in my hands all the time." 291 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,982 With the triangle offense, certainly, it needed some little time to adjust, 292 00:18:29,066 --> 00:18:31,401 for everyone to adjust to it at their own pace, 293 00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:36,406 and it took us about a year or so, as a team, to do it. 294 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:43,413 But by the 1990 playoffs, we all felt that we were ready to beat the Detroit Pistons. 295 00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:45,791 The hurdle that comes up now is the big one. 296 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:50,420 And we know that the challenge of the Detroit Pistons is immense. 297 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:53,048 It's one that we've been waiting for all season long. 298 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:57,010 Chicago was the only team to beat the Pistons in the playoffs last year 299 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,264 and they're a deeper and more balanced team this time around. 300 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:03,725 I felt like we were in a position to win, you know. 301 00:19:03,809 --> 00:19:06,812 And we pushed them to a game seven in their building. 302 00:19:07,729 --> 00:19:09,982 That's the Scottie migraine game, right? 303 00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:11,524 Yeah. 304 00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:17,322 The defending world champions, the Detroit Pistons, 305 00:19:17,406 --> 00:19:19,616 extended to a seventh game. 306 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:25,998 And 21,500 are gathered here for a very special afternoon. 307 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,210 When I got up that morning and went down for breakfast, 308 00:19:31,044 --> 00:19:32,212 I had a headache. 309 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:35,424 I started feeling like I wanted to throw up. 310 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:42,681 I went to the arena, did my regular routine warming up, 311 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:46,351 and I was just, like, blind. I couldn't see. 312 00:19:46,852 --> 00:19:48,687 Game seven... Let's go! 313 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:51,481 - You know what time it is. - Go 110%. 314 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,625 Know what time it is. 315 00:19:52,649 --> 00:19:54,109 We got Scottie and BJ? 316 00:19:56,987 --> 00:20:00,115 - Yeah. - You know we gotta go. 317 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,451 - This is it. - Let's go. 318 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:03,660 All in. 319 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:05,078 - All out. - No doubt. 320 00:20:05,162 --> 00:20:07,748 We worked all season for this, guys. Let's play hard. 321 00:20:07,831 --> 00:20:09,124 Leave it all on the floor. 322 00:20:16,423 --> 00:20:18,717 Game seven from the Palace. 323 00:20:22,387 --> 00:20:23,472 Piston ball. 324 00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:28,518 As the game started, I couldn't focus. 325 00:20:29,269 --> 00:20:32,689 Everything was blurry, I was seeing double, black, and I just... 326 00:20:32,773 --> 00:20:34,775 I couldn't get my eyesight. 327 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,819 Pippen is one and five in the field. 328 00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:39,446 One and six. 329 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:44,368 I told 'em, "I can't see," 330 00:20:45,285 --> 00:20:47,204 and I was taken out of the game. 331 00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:52,709 He said he had a migraine. I don't... 332 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,128 I can't argue the point that he had a migraine. 333 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:58,966 It was just one of those things that, you know, it was so unfortunate. 334 00:20:59,049 --> 00:21:00,175 When you can't see, 335 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:03,303 you're seeing double, and want to vomit, 336 00:21:03,387 --> 00:21:05,847 and you gotta play against Dennis Rodman? 337 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:19,611 Pippen passes inside, Laimbeer knocks it away. 338 00:21:19,695 --> 00:21:23,240 4:10 to go. Here's Isiah. 339 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:27,995 The players on the Bulls are playing from desperation. 340 00:21:28,078 --> 00:21:30,414 Guys are trying to do more than they're capable of doing, 341 00:21:30,497 --> 00:21:32,577 and that includes Michael Jordan. 342 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,047 The lead is 20. 343 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:43,051 The Detroit Pistons will meet the Portland Trail Blazers 344 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:47,472 in a best of seven, beginning Tuesday night on CBS. 345 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:57,524 Michael Jordan had 31, and he's with Pat O'Brien. 346 00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:01,486 Mike... Michael Jordan here, in the midst of the celebration. 347 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:03,530 What are you saying to the other players? 348 00:22:03,613 --> 00:22:07,826 All you can do is wish them good luck. We fought hard. They were the better team. 349 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:09,494 We wanna be where they are. 350 00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:12,289 We still gotta wait our turn, and try to improve our team. 351 00:22:12,372 --> 00:22:14,374 They were the better team and played better today. 352 00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:20,922 We were sitting in the locker room after the game, 353 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:22,924 and nothing was said. 354 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,094 Everyone just sat there for a moment. 355 00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:31,350 We had a chance to beat 'em. We just didn't respond. 356 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:34,269 We got to that hill, we almost looked over the hill. 357 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,857 I was devastated. I was absolutely devastated. 358 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:42,736 I cried on the bus. My father came on and said, 359 00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:46,656 "Look, it's just one game. Bounce back, come back next year." 360 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:53,747 I remember losing to the Pistons. 361 00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:54,830 Damn Pistons. 362 00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:56,458 Um... 363 00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:59,628 That shit hurt. 364 00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:01,992 You couldn't deny that they were a great team. 365 00:23:02,923 --> 00:23:05,300 We had to either change something about ourself, 366 00:23:05,842 --> 00:23:07,344 or we weren't gonna beat them. 367 00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:08,929 Can't touch this! 368 00:23:09,012 --> 00:23:12,265 - Congratulations! - Thanks, Pat! 369 00:23:12,349 --> 00:23:13,475 After that game, 370 00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:16,353 instead of us all going on vacation, 371 00:23:16,436 --> 00:23:18,438 we all showed up and we started working out. 372 00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:25,195 Everybody, starting with Michael, changed. 373 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:27,864 Before the Pistons, Michael didn't weight train. 374 00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:30,075 He didn't go in much for strength training. 375 00:23:30,158 --> 00:23:32,452 After the Pistons beat the shit out of him, 376 00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:35,288 he finally decided, "I gotta put some muscle on." 377 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:38,542 I was getting brutally beaten up. 378 00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:41,795 And I want to administer pain. 379 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,756 I wanted to start fighting back. 380 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,342 It's difficult to add muscle 381 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,970 for an athlete that's constantly burning calories, 382 00:23:50,053 --> 00:23:51,721 running up and down all the time. 383 00:23:53,056 --> 00:23:54,850 We started at 200. 384 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:57,436 We added five pounds 385 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:01,022 until he got to 215. 386 00:24:06,903 --> 00:24:09,114 When did you decide to build it? 387 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:13,160 I put it in just to get myself physically strong enough to go against Detroit. 388 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:15,829 I was a slim and skinny kid. 389 00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:18,498 But now, after I put on a couple pounds, 390 00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:20,709 I can throw my weight around a little more. 391 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:23,670 I would give him a certain amount of reps to do. 392 00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:25,505 He would never stop at that number. 393 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:28,300 If I asked for six, I know he was gonna do 12. 394 00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,846 He got to the point where he was like, 395 00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:36,016 "Instead of them dishing it to me, 396 00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:37,934 I'm gonna dish it back to them." 397 00:24:40,395 --> 00:24:43,607 One of the criticisms has been that Jordan is a great player, 398 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:46,318 but he can't lead his teammates to a championship. 399 00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:48,487 He can't make them better players. 400 00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:50,947 You were known at that time 401 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:53,158 as the guy who was a spectacular performer, 402 00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:56,203 but not the winner that Magic and Larry were. 403 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:57,996 Which ate at me. 404 00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:00,040 It did. It did. 405 00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:06,087 My energy started to gear towards my teammates, 406 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:08,924 and pushing them to excel. 407 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,551 Michael forced the hand of a lot of the players 408 00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:15,639 to really dedicate themselves to off-season training. 409 00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:19,142 "Okay, we're gonna spend the summer dedicated to this proposition, 410 00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:22,896 that we're not gonna be runners-up. We're gonna be champions." 411 00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,148 Michael was on us. 412 00:25:25,982 --> 00:25:27,275 No mistakes allowed. 413 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:30,862 Man, I see a screaming devil. 414 00:25:30,946 --> 00:25:32,697 You make a mistake, 415 00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:35,909 he's gonna scream at you, he's gonna belittle you. 416 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:39,287 He demands almost perfection. 417 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:45,001 Man, when you see your leader working extremely hard in practice, 418 00:25:46,169 --> 00:25:50,549 you feel like, "Oh, man, if I don't give it my all, I shouldn't be here." 419 00:25:50,632 --> 00:25:54,386 He taught me how to stay in the gym. 420 00:25:54,469 --> 00:25:59,558 And he spent a lot of time starting to build the confidence that I needed. 421 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:01,935 Pippen became my focal point. 422 00:26:02,018 --> 00:26:03,645 More than any other player, 423 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:06,189 Scottie benefited from playing with Michael Jordan... 424 00:26:07,357 --> 00:26:11,278 because Scottie had this raw athletic ability. 425 00:26:11,361 --> 00:26:13,280 Two-hand dunk by Pippen! 426 00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:16,575 What he didn't have was what Michael brought every day, 427 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:20,704 which was the drive to be the very best, every single day. 428 00:26:21,288 --> 00:26:23,415 The mental focus of the game. 429 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:27,669 Dumars, see I gotta help, I gotta give him a bump... 430 00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:31,256 So I'm gonna be a step slow. I'll go to yours. 431 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:33,800 The thing about Pip is, you know, 432 00:26:33,883 --> 00:26:36,553 you stand next to him, you make him stronger. 433 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:41,808 All the Detroit times when Rodman wanted to pick on him, 434 00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:44,936 he needed someone there to stand there and say, 435 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,605 "I'll fight with you, just fight." 436 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:53,028 Scottie and I bonded because he felt, okay, he has someone that he can count on. 437 00:26:53,528 --> 00:26:56,948 And I'm looking at, "Okay, I got someone who I can actually count on." 438 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,409 And then Horace came right behind that. 439 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:02,954 During the time that the Pistons reigned over us, 440 00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:05,582 every time they'd do something to us, 441 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:08,710 we would complain to the referee or try to go back at them. 442 00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:12,005 Horace used to get beaten up. 443 00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:15,133 He got Grant with an elbow in the side... 444 00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:18,678 And he would come back whining. And I'd say, "Don't fucking whine. 445 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:22,015 Don't let 'em see you whine. That's when they know they got you." 446 00:27:22,098 --> 00:27:25,727 With them being more mentally dominant than we were, 447 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:30,148 they knew, soon as we start complaining, they had us. And they did. 448 00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:33,443 Grant has got to realize this game is not over. 449 00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:36,529 You can't give the world champions anything. 450 00:27:37,197 --> 00:27:39,824 Just be strong. We gonna beat these bullies. 451 00:27:40,617 --> 00:27:41,743 In '91, 452 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:44,496 the Bulls were determined to be the tougher team. 453 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,918 The pain of losing to Detroit, again, the year before, 454 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:55,465 brought a fury into that season that they had not had. 455 00:27:55,548 --> 00:27:57,550 Jordan knocks the ball out of bounds. 456 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,594 No, he didn't! He saved it and played... 457 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,514 What a spectacular defensive play by Jordan! 458 00:28:02,597 --> 00:28:03,932 A pass stolen by Jordan... 459 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:08,728 Being around Michael every day like that, it just brought it out of us. 460 00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:12,774 Scottie evolved, Horace evolved, I evolved. 461 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:14,984 It was a great feeling. 462 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:18,822 We had matured in a lot of ways, physically, mentally. 463 00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:22,033 Jordan dribbles out, a hook pass to Pippen for the dunk. 464 00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:25,704 It was time for us to become the top team in the game. 465 00:28:35,588 --> 00:28:41,261 And now, the starting lineup for your Chicago Bulls... 466 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:46,683 Everybody in Chicago hated the Pistons. 467 00:28:47,183 --> 00:28:48,393 This was personal. 468 00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,354 Anybody says it wasn't personal, it was personal. 469 00:28:52,605 --> 00:28:55,734 Game one of the best of seven. 470 00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:59,362 I didn't wanna deal with my relatives in Detroit during that time. 471 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:02,031 I didn't wanna go stay with them. My first cousins, 472 00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:05,785 "Yeah, whatever. We don't like you right now." They didn't like us. 473 00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:09,205 The opening tip. Game one. 474 00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:12,542 Our character was challenged the last two years and we failed. 475 00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:14,294 But that third year, 476 00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:17,589 we put them in our rearview mirror. 477 00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:18,965 Bill Laimbeer. 478 00:29:19,048 --> 00:29:20,925 Jordan with the steal. 479 00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:22,844 Jordan! 480 00:29:22,927 --> 00:29:24,527 He'll go to the foul line. 481 00:29:24,554 --> 00:29:27,348 Jordan is not gonna back down from anyone right now. 482 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,477 He's the leader and understands what to expect during the series. 483 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,771 He's gonna hold his ground, make a statement. 484 00:29:38,067 --> 00:29:40,820 I thought we were a good enough team 485 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,323 to at least make the series 486 00:29:43,406 --> 00:29:45,325 a little bit more competitive. 487 00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:46,284 And we didn't. 488 00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:49,746 Pippen against Vinnie up the right side to the baseline. 489 00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:51,915 Fills it up, and a foul! 490 00:29:58,129 --> 00:30:01,466 All right, Ahmad, game four of the best of seven. 491 00:30:02,842 --> 00:30:05,512 Nice fake by Jordan... Goes to the scoop! 492 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:09,265 Pippen... 493 00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:12,727 Oh! Beautiful move by... Scottie Pippen off to a fast start. 494 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,270 He has ten points. 495 00:30:16,439 --> 00:30:18,079 You know something's coming. 496 00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:20,443 This team is desperate. 497 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:23,571 They've done everything they can. Now, they're really desperate. 498 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,242 Armstrong and Craig Hodges in the back court. 499 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:30,078 Cliff Levingston, Bill Cartwright and Scottie Pippen up for... 500 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:33,039 A beautiful back court pass for Pippen! And he is walloped. 501 00:30:33,122 --> 00:30:34,916 And that will be a flagrant foul. 502 00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:38,378 And it's getting very, very tough out there. 503 00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:41,256 Dennis Rodman pushed Scottie, 504 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:45,885 and could have injured him pretty severely. 505 00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:50,014 It was clearly, um, a flagrant foul. 506 00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:53,726 That's a clear-cut cheap shot, no question. Clear cut. 507 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:55,937 Scottie Pippen was racked up. 508 00:30:58,231 --> 00:31:01,317 When Pippen didn't respond to that abuse... 509 00:31:01,901 --> 00:31:04,028 there was nothing they could do to beat us then. 510 00:31:08,908 --> 00:31:12,370 Scottie was unshakable, didn't even want a Band-Aid. 511 00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:14,372 When we saw that, it was over. 512 00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:17,166 You know, it was like, "Okay, it's a foul. 513 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:20,795 Um, let's go ahead and finish kicking their ass and you know..." 514 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,714 And put 'em out of their misery. 515 00:31:22,797 --> 00:31:25,174 Jordan rebounds. He has Pippen. 516 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,307 The Chicago Bulls about to put the Pistons away in four... 517 00:31:33,057 --> 00:31:35,768 And Pippen able to feed it off to Jordan! 518 00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:38,479 Chuck is now clearing the bench. 519 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,441 Miller Genuine Draft player of the game, 520 00:31:41,524 --> 00:31:43,818 Scottie Pippen of the Chicago Bulls. 521 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:48,865 We were tasting victory over a team that just kicked your butt 522 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:50,909 for the last three or four years. 523 00:31:50,992 --> 00:31:57,415 I mean, the gratification... You truly cannot put it into words. 524 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:00,960 It is all over. 525 00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:08,176 That was the only time that I think I'd ever been swept, um... 526 00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:12,430 in a series. I was normally the one doing the sweeping. 527 00:32:15,433 --> 00:32:18,978 Their time had arrived and ours was over. 528 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:24,317 As we're coming out of the game, Laimbeer said, "You know... 529 00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:26,694 we're not shaking their hands. 530 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:28,947 This is how we're leaving." 531 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:32,867 The Pistons wasting no time in getting outta here, 532 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:34,827 as they are headed off... 533 00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:37,413 We didn't shake hands. We just walked off the court. 534 00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:39,749 "Fuck you guys. Thank you for kicking our ass." 535 00:32:39,832 --> 00:32:43,336 They left the bench although there's seven seconds remaining. 536 00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:45,004 The Pistons just left. 537 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,465 I think it was difficult for them 538 00:32:47,548 --> 00:32:49,801 because they were two-time champions. 539 00:32:49,884 --> 00:32:53,262 But, you know, there certainly has to be some respect. 540 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:55,974 Straight up bitches. 541 00:32:56,516 --> 00:32:58,685 That's what they walked off like. 542 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,022 "Yeah, we just kicked your ass. Go ahead and go." 543 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:06,234 Detroit had a similar thing with Boston 544 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:07,652 that we had with them. 545 00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:10,822 They had to overcome Boston, and they did. I still remember... 546 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,533 it was the first time that, uh... 547 00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:14,909 Detroit beat them, 548 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:17,745 and I can see Kevin McHale coming out to half court 549 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:19,664 and shaking hands, things like that. 550 00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:22,332 No. 551 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:25,086 Adrian Dantley was shooting a free throw 552 00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:30,258 and the Boston Celtics were walking off during the game. 553 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,177 And I grab McHale, 554 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:38,808 and then he stopped as he was walking off the floor. 555 00:33:39,392 --> 00:33:44,564 That's how they left the floor. And to us, that was okay. 556 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,316 Knowing what we know now, 557 00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:51,696 and the aftermath of what took place, 558 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,614 I think we would have stopped 559 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:56,159 and said, "Hey, congratulate..." like they do now. 560 00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:59,203 "Hey, congratulate... ""Love ya, man!" "Hey, congratulations..." 561 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:01,789 We would have did it. Of course, we would have done it. 562 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:07,712 But during that period of time, that's just not how it was passed. 563 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:10,965 When you lost, you left the floor. That was it. 564 00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:15,553 This is Isiah, talking about the walk-off. 565 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,347 Well, I know it's all bullshit. 566 00:34:19,182 --> 00:34:22,143 Whatever he says now, you know it wasn't his true actions then. 567 00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:24,270 He's had time enough to think about it. 568 00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:27,899 Or the reaction of the public that's changed his perspective of it. 569 00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:31,778 You can show me anything you want. 570 00:34:31,861 --> 00:34:34,405 There's no way you can convince me he wasn't an asshole. 571 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:38,618 Knowing what we know now, 572 00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:43,122 and the aftermath of what took place... 573 00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:48,544 But during that period of time, that's just not how it was passed. 574 00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,463 It just... Just wasn't. 575 00:34:50,546 --> 00:34:53,049 You can go back and look at any of those old games, 576 00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:55,718 or whatever, when you lost, you left the floor. 577 00:34:56,969 --> 00:35:02,100 All you gotta do is you go back to us losing in game seven. 578 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,310 I shook everybody hand. 579 00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:06,604 Two years in a row. 580 00:35:06,687 --> 00:35:09,232 We shook their hands when they beat us. 581 00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:13,778 There's a certain respect to the game that we paid to them. 582 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,907 That's sportsmanship, no matter how much it hurts. 583 00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:20,409 And believe me, it fucking hurt. 584 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,537 But they didn't have to shake our hands. 585 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,497 We knew we whooped their ass already. 586 00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:26,874 We'd gotten past them and that was the most... 587 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:30,503 To me, that was better than, in some ways, winning a championship. 588 00:35:39,303 --> 00:35:43,141 Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! 589 00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:47,478 ♪ I throw my tape on Then I watch ya ♪ 590 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,064 ♪ Three seconds later, I got ya ♪ 591 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,150 ♪ Shakin' your head Dancin' instead of sittin' ♪ 592 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:54,569 ♪ The rhymes kick, the beats hittin' you ♪ 593 00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:56,946 ♪ Just like a home run Slammin' like a slam dunk ♪ 594 00:35:57,029 --> 00:35:59,031 ♪ Riding the wave That James Brown gave funk ♪ 595 00:35:59,115 --> 00:36:01,159 ♪ It happened to James Like it happened to me ♪ 596 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:04,203 ♪ How you think I feel To see another MC get paid ♪ 597 00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:06,330 ♪ Usin' my rap style ♪ 598 00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,374 ♪ And I'm playin' The background meanwhile ♪ 599 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:10,668 ♪ I ain't with that You can't forget that ♪ 600 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:12,670 ♪ You took my style, I'm takin' it back ♪ 601 00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:15,131 ♪ Comin' back, like "Return of the Jedi" ♪ 602 00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:20,219 Go, Jerry! Go, Jerry! Go, Jerry! 603 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:30,354 Go sit down, Jerry! 604 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:31,647 ♪ How ya like me now? ♪ 605 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:42,533 ♪ Now brothers are riding me like a pony ♪ 606 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:57,215 ♪ How ya like me now? ♪ 607 00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:14,148 In sports, 608 00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:17,318 the stage is set for the Air-Magic show in the NBA Finals. 609 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:20,613 Starting Sunday, it'll be Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls 610 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:23,157 against Magic Johnson and the LA Lakers. 611 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,162 When you're a competitor, you want to play against the best. 612 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:29,705 I played against Larry, 613 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,874 and I've always wanted to play against Michael. 614 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:35,795 Up until that point, there was a stigma that... 615 00:37:35,878 --> 00:37:39,715 "Michael Jordan only wins scoring titles, never championships." 616 00:37:40,299 --> 00:37:42,510 That was my chance 617 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:46,555 to get in the category of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. 618 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:49,892 I guess this is something that I've been waiting for. 619 00:37:50,476 --> 00:37:53,771 It's the team that's won it the most, in the time I've been in the league... 620 00:37:53,854 --> 00:37:56,983 Even though they may have that experience, we have that hunger. 621 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,235 The NBA is a league of stars, 622 00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:02,863 and none shine brighter than Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. 623 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:05,574 While much has been said about their respective teams, 624 00:38:05,658 --> 00:38:08,786 nothing has been more anticipated than their individual match-up. 625 00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:16,502 We're set for the start of game one. 626 00:38:16,585 --> 00:38:19,297 The opening tip controlled by the LA Lakers, 627 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:23,634 as Magic Johnson moves across, against Michael Jordan. 628 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,013 You know, we were nervous. It's our first time, 629 00:38:27,096 --> 00:38:28,431 and we didn't even play well. 630 00:38:28,514 --> 00:38:30,641 And now, Magic got it out for Worthy... 631 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:32,518 What a play! Magic Johnson... 632 00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:34,895 Sam Perkins hits a three at the end. 633 00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:35,813 He's got it! 634 00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:37,648 And the Bulls lose game one. 635 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:41,110 Everybody, including me, goes, "Lakers are gonna win this thing." 636 00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:44,739 They beat us on our home court, but in our minds, 637 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,908 we had a chance to beat them, and we didn't even play good. 638 00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,785 We were looking forward to game two. 639 00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:54,457 We are set for game two of the NBA Finals. 640 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:57,001 So, game two, Jordan goes nuts. 641 00:38:57,084 --> 00:38:58,336 Over Scott. 642 00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:00,963 Michael Jordan on fire. 643 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:05,134 He's got it. Twelve straight field goals for Michael Jordan! 644 00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:08,596 Look away, to Levingston... Jordan... 645 00:39:09,805 --> 00:39:14,226 Oh! A spectacular move by Michael Jordan! 646 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:18,105 That's 13 consecutive field goals! 647 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:27,257 The change of putting Pippen on Magic Johnson 648 00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:28,491 rather than Michael Jordan... 649 00:39:28,574 --> 00:39:31,118 Johnson's the greatest point guard I've ever seen, 650 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:34,121 and Scottie Pippen was picking Magic Johnson up full court. 651 00:39:35,122 --> 00:39:36,999 Nobody did that. 652 00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:41,754 Scottie accepted that challenge and I knew what Scottie was gonna do. 653 00:39:41,837 --> 00:39:43,672 I see it in practice all the time. 654 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:46,384 He gets up in your face and he harasses you and... 655 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:48,010 Pip never let him get started. 656 00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:54,642 The crowd reacts to Scottie Pippen 657 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:58,270 who did a tremendous job in defending against Magic... 658 00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:01,899 Once we did that in game two, we never looked back. 659 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:04,568 Jordan around Divac. 660 00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:11,575 Chicago Bulls take a 2-1 lead in the best of seven. 661 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:14,495 And Teagle now one for six, and it leads to this! 662 00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:20,501 The Chicago Bulls come away with a resounding victory. 663 00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:24,296 In command virtually all the way. 664 00:40:26,715 --> 00:40:30,511 And it's this simple, the Lakers have to win three in a row. 665 00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:32,388 Game five, moments away. 666 00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:34,890 Hello, I'm Bob Costas. 667 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:36,976 This is the Larry O'Brien Trophy. 668 00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:39,478 All indications are that by evening's end, 669 00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:41,689 it'll be in the possession of the Chicago Bulls. 670 00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:49,697 Game five was a great back-and-forth, back-and-forth game. 671 00:40:50,322 --> 00:40:52,241 Magic fires for Smith... 672 00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:53,324 Good recovery... 673 00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:54,367 It counts! 674 00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:57,246 Lakers with a one-point lead. 675 00:40:57,329 --> 00:40:59,415 Jordan with a gorgeous move. 676 00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:00,958 The Bulls lead it by three. 677 00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:02,251 Magic... 678 00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:04,211 Drops it off... 679 00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:09,341 After three, the Bulls and the Lakers are tied at 80. 680 00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:15,097 So, the fourth quarter, it's a precarious lead. 681 00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:19,477 So, during a timeout, Phil asks Michael, 682 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,729 "MJ, who's open?" And he goes, "Paxson." 683 00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:23,397 He goes, "Then get him the ball." 684 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:24,982 You don't have to shoot that shot. 685 00:41:25,065 --> 00:41:26,567 Run around to the point. 686 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:28,194 John's open right there. 687 00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:29,820 You can still create. 688 00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:30,821 All right? 689 00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:32,740 He's hitting shots. 690 00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:37,036 Phil said, you know, forcefully, "Paxson is open, get him the ball." 691 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,954 And I started looking for Paxson. 692 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:43,501 Everybody in the world's expecting Jordan to force something through a double team. 693 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,712 He doesn't do it. He draws and dishes. 694 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,298 Paxson open again... 695 00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:53,469 He trusts his teammate to make the shot. 696 00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:57,389 Once Pax hits that first shot, "Oh, okay. Fine. 697 00:41:57,473 --> 00:42:00,142 Let me do this again. Penetrate, find Pax." 698 00:42:00,226 --> 00:42:02,645 And he kept hitting 'em, kept hitting 'em. 699 00:42:02,728 --> 00:42:05,231 Again! Eighteen for Paxson! 700 00:42:05,314 --> 00:42:08,609 That was exactly what Phil was trying to get Michael to understand 701 00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:10,694 and believe in over the couple years, is that, 702 00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:12,571 "These other guys can help you out." 703 00:42:12,655 --> 00:42:16,033 It is a two-point lead for Chicago. 704 00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:17,243 Paxson! 705 00:42:17,326 --> 00:42:20,162 Yes! John Paxson again! 706 00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:26,585 The Chicago Bulls have won their first-ever NBA championship! 707 00:42:54,363 --> 00:42:55,614 You did it the right way. 708 00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:56,991 You did it the right way. 709 00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:03,330 I love you. 710 00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:04,623 - Scottie... - Yes! 711 00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:14,883 When you get to that finish line and you know that you won... 712 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:17,595 all those emotions that you wrapped up into, 713 00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:18,929 you can just let go. 714 00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:20,347 I'm so happy. 715 00:43:23,434 --> 00:43:24,643 Everybody knows... 716 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:28,981 Has the picture in their mind of when we beat Cleveland on that last shot 717 00:43:29,064 --> 00:43:31,692 and he's punching the air, he's all excited. 718 00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:35,571 That's who we knew, the competitive Michael Jordan. 719 00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:39,867 The win-at-all-costs Michael Jordan. 720 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:44,121 Sometimes we'd question whether he was human, 721 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,081 whether he had feelings. 722 00:43:47,541 --> 00:43:50,753 A guy that was totally focused on one thing and one thing only. 723 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:53,756 The only emotion we had ever seen out of him 724 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:55,299 was anger or frustration. 725 00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:59,303 We were literally stunned to see those emotions. 726 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:02,389 Seven-year struggle. 727 00:44:02,973 --> 00:44:04,058 Seven-year struggle. 728 00:44:06,852 --> 00:44:09,563 And when they beat us, well, 729 00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:14,068 we met in between both locker rooms, and he put his arms... 730 00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:15,653 and started crying. 731 00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:19,239 He was so happy that he had won, that he busted through. 732 00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:23,202 That was a special moment for him and myself. 733 00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:25,496 It's a beautiful feeling. 734 00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:27,539 If you're gonna lose, you lose to them. 735 00:44:27,623 --> 00:44:29,375 I'm going to lose to Michael. 736 00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:31,919 And that... That's how... how it should be. 737 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:36,173 At last, I fit somewhere in 738 00:44:36,256 --> 00:44:39,009 the category of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. 739 00:45:10,249 --> 00:45:11,709 Shit! C'mon, drop my money down. 740 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:13,645 You said I can't show nobody what I give you. 741 00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:16,213 No. We're here. Don't show it to anybody. Let me show it. 742 00:45:17,756 --> 00:45:18,756 Yeah. 743 00:45:19,508 --> 00:45:21,009 Denver. Denver. 744 00:45:23,595 --> 00:45:25,389 How 'bout them Broncos? 745 00:45:26,849 --> 00:45:29,059 Hey! Hey! Cheesehead! 746 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:34,022 Security. Security. 747 00:45:36,316 --> 00:45:38,110 This man never gets sleep. 748 00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:41,238 - Dennis Rodman... Junior. - Come on. 749 00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:43,031 Hey, hey, don't say it on camera. 750 00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:45,909 He never gets his sleep. Single man. Thinks he can hang out all night. 751 00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:47,995 Hey, hey, don't put that on tape. 752 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:50,122 Don't put that on... Hey, M. 753 00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:51,790 - If he committed to one girl... - M... 754 00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:53,125 - M, come on. - It's a lie. 755 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:54,877 It's a lie, he's out every night. 756 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,962 Do not put this on tape right here. 757 00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:59,423 - Why not? Get some sleep, man! - That's messed up. 758 00:45:59,506 --> 00:46:00,841 I get a whole lot of sleep. 759 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:03,218 - You've got a hangover this morning. - No, I... M. 760 00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:05,512 My mom and dad are gonna watch this, M. 761 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:07,181 Mom and dad, he's an alcoholic. 762 00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:08,098 Hey. 763 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:14,354 Hey, hey, Phil, he can't work for the media and be on this plane. 764 00:46:14,438 --> 00:46:17,649 Right here, see him? The highest-paid media guy in the world. 765 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,402 Come on, Ahmad makes more than me. 766 00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:24,656 No. He wishes, though. He wishes he does. Believe me. 767 00:46:28,243 --> 00:46:29,536 The FC finally won. 768 00:46:30,245 --> 00:46:33,624 It's actually kind of like a sign of times are changing. 769 00:46:33,707 --> 00:46:35,584 Might be changing the NBA, too. 770 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:43,185 While the Bulls were on the road, 771 00:46:43,258 --> 00:46:45,594 their GM took his shot back home. 772 00:46:45,677 --> 00:46:49,306 Jerry Krause again made his plans for next season very clear. 773 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:52,351 Coach Jackson won't be back. And with Michael Jordan on record 774 00:46:52,434 --> 00:46:54,728 as saying he won't play for anyone other than Jackson, 775 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,563 Krause told the Chicago Tribune, 776 00:46:56,647 --> 00:47:00,734 "If Michael chooses to leave because there is another coach here, 777 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,361 then it's his choice, not ours. 778 00:47:02,444 --> 00:47:03,946 We would love to have Michael back. 779 00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:06,240 But Michael is going to have to play for someone else. 780 00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:08,075 It isn't going to be Phil." 781 00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:10,744 If Phil's not back, then certainly I'm not back. 782 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:14,039 So, I mean, you know, it doesn't leave me with any other choices, 783 00:47:14,122 --> 00:47:15,582 but not to play next year. 784 00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:19,086 There's no room at all for you coming back under any other circumstances? 785 00:47:19,169 --> 00:47:20,462 No. None. None at all. 786 00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:27,147 The Bulls were dominating the east. 787 00:47:27,177 --> 00:47:28,697 The east didn't seem to be a question. 788 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,097 The question was out west 789 00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:33,517 with the team that they had met in the finals the year before, Utah. 790 00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:38,438 Now, keep in mind, this was probably a finals preview. 791 00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,150 This is the litmus test. 792 00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:46,196 Good evening. Welcome to the Delta Center. 793 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,282 The thing that's really surprising 794 00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:51,743 is the timing of that story by Jerry Krause. 795 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:55,998 Yeah, Dick, unfortunately, it's very cold. It's sad. 796 00:47:56,081 --> 00:47:57,916 And if you really think about this, 797 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,086 performance and loyalty, by the coaches and players, 798 00:48:01,169 --> 00:48:03,463 are being just thrown out the window. 799 00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:08,552 And the Bulls starting out solidly, lead 8-2. 800 00:48:09,511 --> 00:48:12,431 Here's Rodman, after Pippen got the loose ball, 801 00:48:12,514 --> 00:48:15,726 and Jordan hits the open shot! The Bulls are doing it all. 802 00:48:15,809 --> 00:48:17,060 It has been all Bulls... 803 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:20,647 Great pass from Longley to a cutting Scottie Pippen. 804 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,610 And it's a 47-24 lead. 805 00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:27,154 The Chicago Bulls are running the Jazz wild 806 00:48:27,237 --> 00:48:28,572 on the Jazz home court. 807 00:48:28,655 --> 00:48:30,782 Loose ball, Karl Malone... 808 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:32,506 Dennis... There it is. 809 00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,745 Down goes Malone and Rodman. 810 00:48:34,828 --> 00:48:36,204 A double foul will be called. 811 00:48:36,288 --> 00:48:39,917 You can see that this could ignite something here that we don't need. 812 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,712 The Jazz with a 7-0 run of their own here. 813 00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:45,839 It's an eight-point game, believe it or not. 814 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:47,799 This is as close as the Jazz have come. 815 00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:50,344 Malone over Pippen, he's got it. 816 00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:52,512 He's got it, he's right. 817 00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:54,890 - He's un... - Yeah. Unstoppable. 818 00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,062 Yes! And the Jazz have come back big! 819 00:49:00,145 --> 00:49:04,691 Standing ovation for the Jazz, who had to fight way back in this game. 820 00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:09,863 Utah Jazz ending up sweeping the Chicago Bulls this year, 821 00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:11,782 winning here in Salt Lake City. 822 00:49:12,491 --> 00:49:14,242 But Jerry Krause, the big question is, 823 00:49:14,326 --> 00:49:16,536 "Why now, come out with a statement like this, 824 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:19,331 at the All-Star break?" It's something for after the season. 825 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:22,501 I think it's just a bad case of judgment on his part. 826 00:49:22,584 --> 00:49:25,003 This looks like a reality check for everybody. 827 00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:26,922 Is this the end of the Bulls as we know them? 70291

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