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- The Exorcist is a
tremendously disturbing film
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even today.
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To see this angelic-looking
young girl
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transformed into this
canker-sored,
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vomit-spewing...
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[Splattering]
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Profane...
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- Your mother sucks cocks
in hell!
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- Violent...
[Loud gasp, hard thud]
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Coarsely sexual...
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- Let Jesus fuck you!
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- ...monstrosity on the screen
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is extremely,
extremely unsettling.
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All the more so
when it premiered
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more than a generation ago.
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- The Exorcist was sold on
controversy from day one.
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Certainly, you're not going
to shy away
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from that kind of marketing.
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And it lends itself well
to the idea of a curse.
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- Thinking of "The Exorcist"
as cursed
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adds to the legacy of the film.
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If you're a fan of horror,
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you're looking for these
connections.
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It's logical to look at some
of the truly wild things
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that happened on the set
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and to people involved
with the production
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and say, this thing was cursed.
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- There was a moment during
production
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when their sets caught fire.
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It happened at night,
no one was injured,
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but most of their sets
were consumed.
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Regan's bedroom was
mysteriously undamaged.
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- I think it was after that
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that they brought in a Jesuit
Priest to bless the set.
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There had been a number
of people
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either related to cast members,
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or people who had been
in the film,
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or working on the production,
who had died.
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Linda Blair's grandfather died.
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Two actors who were
in the film died.
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- Max von Sydow's brother dies
on the first day of filming.
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- A special effects expert,
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who was supposed to keep
the set cool, died.
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- There was all of this
information
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about the movie being cursed.
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We have a couple different
things to address.
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Number one:
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Billy's a genius.
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When you work with somebody
that's a genius,
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you're gonna go for a ride,
let me tell you.
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I'm laced into this piece
of equipment.
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It is literally manipulated
by men.
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In this particular take,
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the lacing came loose.
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I am... having my back pounded.
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I mean, I'm crying,
I'm screaming.
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They think I'm acting up
a storm.
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It fractured my lower spine.
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No, they didn't send me
to a doctor.
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It is the footage
that's in the movie.
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- William Friedkin is famously
a two-fisted director.
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He would fire a gun off
behind somebody
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to get them to jump if
he needed them to do that.
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- I mean, sometimes the things
he did were,
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were, were... pretty harsh.
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What would happen
if I shoot the gun?
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[Gunshot pops]
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So if I'd be in the bed
and he's gonna shoot a gun,
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he has to tell me because I'm
not allowed to do that, right?
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I can't jum--
the devil can't jump.
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[Gun fires, screaming]
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- That's done during
the first time
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they see Regan looking like
the demon.
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And I played that scene,
so I was there.
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Yeah, I was originally hired
'cause they felt Linda Blair
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was too young to do...
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what turned out to be
the masturbation scene.
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But then I ended up doing
the masturbation scene,
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the vomiting scene,
the levitation scene,
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and I played Pazuzu's face.
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So it was a very,
very long movie.
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It was kind of like, uh,
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who do you have to fuck to get
off this movie? [Chuckles]
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[Shrill scream,
glass shattering]
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- In every movie,
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if it has anything to do
with action and things,
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somebody is always gonna
get hurt.
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- When Regan slaps Chris across
the room,
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that was achieved by putting
Ellen Burstyn in a harness.
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[Loud gasp, hard slap]
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The first take,
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it wasn't particularly brutal
enough for Friedkin,
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so he had a word
with the gentleman
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on the other end of the rope
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to... give it to her -
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yank a little extra hard
on Ellen Burstyn's harness
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to get her to fly across
the room as needed -
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uh, resulting in Ellen Burstyn
being injured from that scene.
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And that's the shot
that's in the film.
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- It's an agreement actors
and directors
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and productions make
to get a performance
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for something that entertains
millions across the world.
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And what's it for? For you.
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- Certainly, if you're
marketing that film,
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you're going to tacitly
embrace such stories.
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- That's something that...
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that's been happening since
Hitchcock or before.
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That's him building up
hysteria around Psycho;
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that you can't come into
the film late,
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and people were getting sick.
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So, you see, Friedkin
and the PR folks, uh,
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who were handling "The Exorcist"
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when that came out, helped
people buy into the hysteria
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of what the curse behind
this movie is.
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And it also sold a lot
of tickets.
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- A few months ago, I was
listening to an old podcast
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and they had mentioned that
there was an actual murderer
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who was in "The Exorcist".
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There had always been,
you know the, the stories
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about the curse of
"The Exorcist",
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but this one... just seemed
to be left out.
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So it fascinated me
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and I set out writing
a report for Esquire.
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In 1972, William Friedkin
went to the...
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NYU radiology department
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and watched them perform
a procedure
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that was essentially taking
pictures
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of the blood vessels
in somebody's brain.
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It looked pretty gruesome
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and he saw that, and, you know,
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thought that it was perfect
for his horror movie.
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During my research, I spoke
with a number of people
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who were involved
in filming that scene.
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One of them was Barton Lane
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who's actually the man in the
film performing the procedure.
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- Okay, you're gonna feel
some pressure here.
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Now don't move.
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- I happened to be doing
a procedure one day
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when the Chief of my department
came by with a visitor.
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- [Whimpering]
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- At the end of the procedure,
I was introduced to,
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uh, Mr. Friedkin,
and they said,
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"We're gonna be making a movie
here in a few months,"
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and, uh, my Chairman said,
"Would you like to be in it?"
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I said, "Yes."
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So here are some photographs
that were taken
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during the filming of
the angiography sequence.
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This first one
is Mr. Friedkin and myself
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and the make-up artist.
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- Friedkin wanted everybody
who...
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was performing that procedure,
that day
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to be in his movie,
and one of them included
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a young technician
named Paul Bateson,
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and so he ends up being
in the film.
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- Paul was the Chief neuro
radiology technologist.
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I worked with him on an almost
daily basis for four years.
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- Regan, I'm just gonna move
you down on the table, okay?
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- I would characterize him
as being quiet,
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very nice to the patients.
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- September 14th, 1977,
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the body of a variety reporter
named, Addison Verrill,
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was found in his West Village
apartment.
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One Village Voice reporter
named, Arthur Bell,
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noted that this looked like
an assailant
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that the victim knew.
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And Arthur Bell gets a phone
call from an anonymous person
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who says...
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"I killed Addison Verrill."
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This caller explained that
he wasn't a psychopath;
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that he was an alcoholic
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and that this was a crime
of passion,
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and that he and Verrill
had sex and did drugs
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until early in the morning,
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and then gone back
to Verrill's apartment
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where he hit him over
the head with a pan
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and then stabbed him
in the chest.
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He also had mentioned that
if he gets caught
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he would never be able
to practice again.
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The phone call eventually
led police to Paul Bateson.
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When they got to Paul's
apartment,
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he told police,
"I know why you're here."
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And they took him into custody
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where he eventually confessed
to the, the crime.
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It makes sense
for people to connect
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this larger real-life horror
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to this curse of "The Exorcist";
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that these horrors are real,
evil is real.
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- In 1972, Pope Paul VI
issued a proclamation
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lamenting the loss
of belief in evil
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as a real entity,
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as a real metaphysical entity,
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and in the devil
as a real entity.
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And then it's after that
that you get "The Exorcist",
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which is trying to prove
the existence of, of the devil.
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"The Exorcist" starts actually
in Mesopotamia
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trying to show you
that evil goes way back.
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Not only goes way back,
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but it can still intrude
into a family
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and disrupt their whole life.
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- To say that "The Exorcist"
is a cursed film
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taps into the Catholicism
of the people watching it.
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It, it taps into the imagery
in the film
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of the guy digging up an idol
and unleashing this demon.
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[Traffic rumbles]
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- The people who made
"The Exorcist"
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definitely did their research.
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The fact that the movie opens
up with this excavation
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at the site of Hatra
in Northern Iraq,
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is very much accurate
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because Pazuzu does come
from Northern Iraq.
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- Pazuzu turned out to be
the icon of the entire movie.
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'Cause the way they did it -
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they like to call it subliminal,
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but it's not subliminal
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'cause subliminal means
that you don't see it,
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but it certainly was that flash.
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And people said,
"Did you see that?"
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"See what?"
"You see that face?"
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"What face?"
"The face!"
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- This is made out of bronze,
so it's cast metal.
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You might wear this if you
were, say, a pregnant woman,
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um, or you might put it as
an amulet on a newborn baby
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because Pazuzu's enemy Lamashtu,
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um, was especially interested
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in pregnant women and in babies.
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That giant statue of Pazuzu,
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while it looks great
and it's terrifying,
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it's much bigger than any
images of Pazuzu
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that we know.
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Usually he's a small amulet
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and it seems like a demon
with his power
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would be dangerous to make
on a large scale.
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♪♪♪
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- How does horror treat
what is probably
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the single most important
meaning making system
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that human beings
have evolved over time?
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Which is to say,
how does it treat religion?
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Horror is a really,
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really powerful artifact
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that speaks clearly and directly
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to the fact that we are
still concerned
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with really important questions.
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Which is why I call horror and
religion cultural siblings.
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You don't get horror
building on religion,
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so much as they are dealing
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With exactly the same questions:
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Where do we go when we die?
How did we get here?
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Does life have any meaning?
Is there a God?
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Why do we suffer?
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Religions claim to have
answered those questions,
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but the answers are never
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really very satisfactory
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for a very long time.
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- I have been working on
a book project
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on how horror is used
as a missionary tool.
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- I do not believe.
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So, to recap, four words
necessary to destroy
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the forces of the supernatural,
witchcraft,
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superstition, psychic,
et cetera, et cetera.
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- There is a subgenre
of horror films
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where a character
who's a skeptic
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confronts evidence
of the supernatural.
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- ...and can only exist in
an atmosphere of belief.
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Belief is final.
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- And in the process,
the skeptic becomes a believer.
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For example,
"Night of the Demon,"
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from 1957, I believe.
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- Oh, but, uh,
if I could make my point,
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I could persuade you.
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- I'm not open to persuasion.
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- But a scientist should have
an open mind.
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- That's what investigations
are for.
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- All of those films,
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uh, are meant to show you
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that evil does exist.
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At the end, for example,
of "The Exorcist",
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you have a message
that the devil exists
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and that the church
and Christianity
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is the answer to that.
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- The good guys in this movie
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were not the rationalists,
the doctors,
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the psychiatrists,
the sophisticated partygoers,
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but they were the figures
of faith
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who seemed to have the answers
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and were willing to make
the sacrifices.
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- A lot of the development
in horror film
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has come as a reaction
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to the fear of the loss
of belief in God
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and the fear of the loss
of belief in the devil.
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Horror films,
at least some of them,
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are there to counteract
the secularization
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that, uh, is perceived
to be taking place.
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- As a matter of fact,
the Pope himself
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is being quoted as part of
the film's publicity campaign.
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Demol-- Demonology, he said,
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is an important part
of Catholic doctrine
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that really ought to be
studied again.
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- I've heard an interview
with Blatty,
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the author of "The Exorcist",
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who said he heard Billy Graham
say that the devil,
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it's in the celluloid
film itself.
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- There were stories that
projecting the film
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would invite demons into
your theater.
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That's an urban legend
happening right in front of you
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for the movie that you've got
in release.
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There's a trailer that had
to be pulled
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because it was potentially
seizure-inducing.
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They were leaning very hard
into the controversial nature
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and the illicit and the taboo.
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You're gonna be fucked up
if you watch this movie.
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- David Sheehan is with us
tonight to talk about a movie
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that has people passing out.
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- The manager of The National
Theater in Westwood
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says that there indeed are
at least a dozen people
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who faint or become ill
during every showing.
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- I fainted like ten minutes
after the...
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first beginning of the movie.
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- I passed out.
- You did?
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- In about the first
half hour, yeah.
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- "The Exorcist" was no longer
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just the most successful
motion picture in film history,
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but had become an unquestioned
sociological phenomenon.
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- What made "The Exorcist"
different,
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it had the hook of the true
story.
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Billy Friedkin makes
"The Exorcist"
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based on this true story
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that William Peter Blatty
wrote about.
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People who are Catholic
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know that there is...
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a thing called exorcism
in the church.
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They may not know anybody
who's been a part of it,
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but they at least know that
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it's a part of Catholic culture.
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- Some psychiatrists are
calling "The Exorcist"
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a dangerous movie
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because it does give credibility
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to a variety of superstitions,
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including the devil myth
and the power of ritual.
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- There has been
a significant uptick
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of exorcisms recently,
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and this is a fact.
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Some of that might be fueled
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by the great popularity
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of possession-based
horror movies,
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all of which are sort of twigs
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growing off the tree
of "The Exorcist".
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There are people in our society
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who never would have heard
of exorcism,
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who never would have heard
of possession,
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were it not for "The Exorcist".
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- When we look at the movie
called "The Exorcist",
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what, to me, that movie did
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was bring it on the big screen,
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the reality that an exorcism
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can and will be successful
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if done correctly.
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An exorcism can look
frightening,
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but does not need to be.
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It's not dangerous
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as long as it is done
biblically.
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My name is Vincent Bauhaus
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and I am an exorcist.
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[Knocking]
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- Hi, how are you?
- I'm good, how are you?
371
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- Fine. Welcome back.
- Good to see you again.
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- You too. How are you?
- I'm very well.
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The people that we are going
to meet are people
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that have been the victim
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of attack,
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of witchcraft.
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- Someone somewhere,
he's monitoring me.
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I don't know who,
I don't know where.
379
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They are always there
attacking me.
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- Mhmm.
- So I don't know what it is,
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and now I'm feeling
they are inside of me.
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- Yeah.
- Like a python spirit is there.
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- And then very interestingly,
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we're gonna see a gentleman
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who has played
with a Ouija Board
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on a daily basis
387
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for four years.
388
00:18:17,357 --> 00:18:19,402
- Hey, where'd this come from?
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- I started messing around
with a Ouija Board more
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00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:24,538
and even worshipping
and calling upon the devil.
391
00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:26,192
- Oh, you was worshipping
the devil?
392
00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,194
- Well, basically,
it got to that point
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because I felt like God,
you know, has abandoned me.
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He wouldn't hear me.
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- And we're gonna see a person
very wounded
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by their childhood.
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Have seat.
398
00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:40,684
- Okay, let me turn
my phone off.
399
00:18:41,685 --> 00:18:43,252
- You got time, dude.
I got a story,
400
00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:45,341
it's like straight out
of Hollywood.
401
00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:46,864
- Once my dad left,
402
00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:49,911
it's like all hell broke loose
on me.
403
00:18:49,998 --> 00:18:53,001
This thing wanted to choke me
somehow and kill me.
404
00:18:53,088 --> 00:18:54,916
'Cause I remember driving
my truck
405
00:18:55,003 --> 00:18:56,918
to go get another load
406
00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,789
in the middle of the daytime
407
00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:01,705
and I saw that seatbelt
trying to get around me.
408
00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:04,708
- We're gonna see those people
get set free
409
00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:06,754
from that terrible curse
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00:19:06,841 --> 00:19:08,625
that was placed upon them.
411
00:19:08,712 --> 00:19:10,932
- Are we going to read
the word of God
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or what do we...?
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00:19:12,281 --> 00:19:14,240
- We're gonna pray.
- Amen.
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00:19:15,632 --> 00:19:16,981
- Oh, thank you Lord Almighty
God,
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00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:19,506
and loose the anointing
upon Victoria.
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00:19:19,593 --> 00:19:21,247
Lord let that anointing
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00:19:21,334 --> 00:19:23,249
penetrate her right now.
418
00:19:23,336 --> 00:19:27,601
There will be a healing of that
broken and wounded soul
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or wounded heart.
420
00:19:29,385 --> 00:19:30,299
Who are you?
421
00:19:30,386 --> 00:19:32,171
- [Whimpering]
422
00:19:33,781 --> 00:19:35,609
- Who are you?
423
00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:40,004
Don't hide from me.
424
00:19:40,091 --> 00:19:41,876
Say, I renounce...
- I renounce...
425
00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:43,660
- Witchcraft.
- Witchcraft.
426
00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:47,447
- I also renounce...
- I also renounce...
427
00:19:47,534 --> 00:19:49,231
- Opening...
- Opening...
428
00:19:49,318 --> 00:19:50,972
- My mind...
- My mind...
429
00:19:51,059 --> 00:19:54,845
- To the demonic realms.
- To the demonic realms.
430
00:19:54,932 --> 00:19:56,630
Smite it!
431
00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:58,153
You...
432
00:19:59,372 --> 00:20:01,939
whether you are python...
433
00:20:03,332 --> 00:20:05,073
or religion.
434
00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,169
Get out.
435
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:20,219
- [Coughing]
436
00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:24,875
Get loose!
437
00:20:24,962 --> 00:20:26,442
- [Coughing]
- Get out.
438
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:31,317
Loose Elena!
439
00:20:32,361 --> 00:20:34,537
- Say "I lift."
- Oh no... Lord!
440
00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:36,974
- Say, I lift...
Say, I lift...
441
00:20:38,062 --> 00:20:39,847
I lift...
- I lift...
442
00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:42,110
- Lift the...
- The...
443
00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:44,155
- Curse! Curse!
- [Groaning]
444
00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:45,374
- Say it!
- Curse!
445
00:20:45,461 --> 00:20:46,680
- We...
- We...
446
00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:48,159
- Lift...
- Lift...
447
00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,465
- The...
- The...
448
00:20:49,552 --> 00:20:51,467
- Curse.
- Curse.
449
00:20:51,554 --> 00:20:53,339
- All in the name of Jesus
Christ, get out of him! - Oh!
450
00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:55,341
- I'd wanna be very careful
451
00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:58,300
that the individual,
who may be very earnest,
452
00:20:58,387 --> 00:21:00,737
is not riffing off of something
453
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:03,914
that had its point of origin
454
00:21:04,001 --> 00:21:06,134
from a horror movie.
455
00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:08,092
- What you notice is
a lot of the language
456
00:21:08,179 --> 00:21:09,964
sounds very much like
457
00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:12,445
late-night television...
uh, language.
458
00:21:12,532 --> 00:21:16,144
Like, uh, my name is Legion,
or I am Lucifer.
459
00:21:17,232 --> 00:21:18,538
[Man groans]
460
00:21:19,626 --> 00:21:21,454
- Who are you?
461
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,588
- There's this principle called
the availability heuristic.
462
00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:29,592
It basically means that the
more easily that we can draw
463
00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:32,203
an example of something to mind,
464
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,381
the more likely we are to think
that thing is true
465
00:21:35,468 --> 00:21:38,906
and to kind of use it
to fill in the blanks.
466
00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:42,649
When an exorcist says,
I wanna speak to the demon,
467
00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,391
you're gonna give that person
a demon
468
00:21:45,478 --> 00:21:47,349
in the only way you know how.
469
00:21:47,436 --> 00:21:50,178
Whether you got it from
late-night television...
470
00:21:50,265 --> 00:21:51,875
[Vomiting, vomit splatters]
471
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,792
or some dimly remembered
experience
472
00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:57,403
at the theatre,
473
00:21:57,490 --> 00:21:59,361
you're gonna fill that in
474
00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:01,407
with the information that
you have.
475
00:22:01,494 --> 00:22:03,409
- [Whimpers]
476
00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:05,193
- Severed.
477
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,327
The evil spirit will no longer
be able to hide
478
00:22:08,414 --> 00:22:11,939
in that pain or in that trauma.
479
00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:14,681
Loose! I command you!
480
00:22:14,768 --> 00:22:16,900
Loose the anointing upon you!
481
00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:17,901
Now leave!
482
00:22:17,988 --> 00:22:19,773
- [Sniffling]
483
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:21,427
[Coughing]
484
00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,037
- Fire!
485
00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:24,865
Fire!
486
00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:28,651
Loose! Out!
487
00:22:28,738 --> 00:22:30,784
Snake, get out!
488
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:35,528
[Vomits]
489
00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:40,228
In the name of Jesus Christ,
490
00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:43,318
that's witchcraft... coming out.
491
00:22:47,627 --> 00:22:50,456
When is a horror movie
a problem?
492
00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:55,243
It is very dangerous
493
00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:58,594
and it's a very real possibility
494
00:22:58,681 --> 00:23:01,554
that a child could
definitely develop
495
00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,947
a spiritual problem
496
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,297
with evil spirits, with demons,
497
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,996
if it's watching a horror movie.
498
00:23:10,084 --> 00:23:11,477
[Reporters chatter]
499
00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:14,436
- Linda, there's are various
rumors
500
00:23:14,523 --> 00:23:16,960
that you were affected
psychologically by the film,
501
00:23:17,047 --> 00:23:19,136
which are, no doubt, untrue,
but what is the situation?
502
00:23:19,223 --> 00:23:20,442
Didn't it disturb you
in any way?
503
00:23:20,529 --> 00:23:22,270
- No, it didn't at all.
504
00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,011
So the movie comes out
505
00:23:24,098 --> 00:23:26,883
and journalists were asking me,
like, are you okay?
506
00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:29,103
Are you mentally ill?
507
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:30,496
I don't think there's many
young people
508
00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:32,454
that could've survived it.
509
00:23:32,541 --> 00:23:34,804
It was hard.
510
00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:37,546
People, they would run.
511
00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:40,201
People were so afraid of me.
512
00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:45,206
- One of the problems with
these ideas of curses
513
00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:47,426
is that perhaps we could be
projecting
514
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:50,385
onto an actual person
after they're done filming.
515
00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:52,343
If you look at someone like
Linda Blair,
516
00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,738
the studio had to get
bodyguards for her
517
00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,741
because people actually thought
that she might be evil.
518
00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:03,529
If you can think back to being
a young teenager,
519
00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:07,097
could you imagine being seen
as the devil?
520
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,151
- I won't talk about it.
521
00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:19,501
- No, there's stuff that
I don't talk about.
522
00:24:19,588 --> 00:24:23,200
Um... so what's another one?
523
00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,161
- The kid from "The Omen"
didn't need bodyguards.
524
00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:30,947
He didn't get stigmatized
the way she did.
525
00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:33,297
And, in a weird way,
she's a victim in this movie;
526
00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:35,038
she's not the demon,
527
00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:38,825
but the female character
gets branded as evil
528
00:24:38,912 --> 00:24:40,783
and, and, of the devil
529
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,655
and, and that kid gets to sort
of slip back into anonymity,
530
00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:44,657
which I find curious.
531
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:46,572
I think it's somewhat telling
532
00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:48,530
that she has now kind of
walked away from all of that
533
00:24:48,617 --> 00:24:51,925
and, in fact, spends her time
saving animals.
534
00:24:52,926 --> 00:24:56,103
It's a very interesting coda
to what she's been through.
535
00:24:57,278 --> 00:25:00,847
- Sure, there are things that
happened I wish didn't,
536
00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:03,980
but it's what,
it was what's made me, me.
537
00:25:04,067 --> 00:25:06,592
Look at me, look at me,
look at me.
538
00:25:06,679 --> 00:25:08,550
♪ Do-do do do-do do-do do-do ♪
539
00:25:08,637 --> 00:25:10,509
♪ Da-da-da da, da-da da... ♪
540
00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:12,946
What did Linda want in life?
Linda, at a young age,
541
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,209
wanted to be a veterinarian.
542
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:19,387
But one day we got a call
for a movie
543
00:25:19,474 --> 00:25:22,390
and it was called
"The Exorcist".
544
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,569
- "The Exorcist" had long been
awaited
545
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:31,747
but no one, no matter how close
or deeply involved in the film,
546
00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:33,793
could possibly have anticipated
547
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,056
what was to happen
at every theater
548
00:25:36,143 --> 00:25:38,232
where this film played.
549
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,582
- Warner Brothers did not
believe this movie
550
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:43,411
was going to do anything.
551
00:25:44,673 --> 00:25:46,675
And there's a certain
PR person - um,
552
00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:51,593
and she divulged to me
years later
553
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,726
when we became friendly
as adults -
554
00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:55,641
and she said she was told
555
00:25:56,685 --> 00:25:59,079
to create this whole fear
556
00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:01,647
around the movie
557
00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:04,214
to try to bring in an audience.
558
00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:06,173
You know, pregnant women
shouldn't go.
559
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:07,914
People are throwing up.
560
00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:10,177
They parked the ambulances
outside the theaters.
561
00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:11,918
A lot of this was PR.
562
00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:15,530
[Ave Maria plays]
563
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:20,535
- Is this really real?
564
00:26:23,494 --> 00:26:25,279
As an exorcist,
565
00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:26,672
all I can say,
566
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:30,066
is that an exorcism proves
567
00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:32,329
that there is evil.
568
00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:34,680
If there is evil,
there must be a devil.
569
00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:37,683
And if there is a devil,
there certainly is a God.
570
00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:43,340
- Someone who requests
an exorcism
571
00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:45,604
might be very sincere,
572
00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,388
but they haven't asked
themselves
573
00:26:47,475 --> 00:26:48,868
Where's this idea really
coming from?
574
00:26:48,955 --> 00:26:51,000
And who is this
so-called Exorcist
575
00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:53,046
who's coming along to help me?
576
00:26:53,133 --> 00:26:56,353
Does this person have
any sort of church
577
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,920
or organization,
578
00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,793
or oversight at his or her back?
579
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,752
Or is this just sort of a,
uh, religious troubadour
580
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,146
who's charging money?
581
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:09,758
- Before I became involved
in performing exorcisms,
582
00:27:09,845 --> 00:27:13,719
I... used to run a furniture
company.
583
00:27:14,937 --> 00:27:16,286
You don't live too far
from here,
584
00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:18,332
so it's good I'm here
very regularly.
585
00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,290
- Okay.
- And I think we're gonna do
586
00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:22,292
a bit more on the, on the,
on the, on the, on the...
587
00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:24,730
the FaceTime thingy.
- Okay.
588
00:27:24,817 --> 00:27:27,689
- People are probably not gonna
wanna hear this.
589
00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:32,041
I think we bring upon
our own hell
590
00:27:32,128 --> 00:27:33,739
and our own heaven,
591
00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:37,743
and we bring curses upon us.
592
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:39,483
Otherwise, you have to believe
593
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:41,703
that there are really demonic
forces out there.
594
00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,531
- So we're good, right?
- Yeah.
595
00:27:43,618 --> 00:27:45,098
- Awesome! Great, man!
596
00:27:45,185 --> 00:27:47,796
I'm just a simple guy.
I just...
597
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:50,538
wanna be able to, you know,
598
00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,192
live my life here.
599
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:54,107
One...
600
00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:55,761
I don't have a house,
I don't have an apartment,
601
00:27:55,848 --> 00:27:57,588
I don't have anything.
602
00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,895
Four, five...
I'm glad to do this.
603
00:27:59,982 --> 00:28:01,592
It's like the money comes
through one hand
604
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,507
and goes through the other.
605
00:28:03,594 --> 00:28:05,858
- Maybe we are disturbing
the forces.
606
00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:07,773
I went to work every day
607
00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:11,167
and I said,
"This is just a movie."
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