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♪ I wake up, I go to work ♪
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♪ But every day I get someone
Trying to slam me down ♪
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♪ Back in the dirt ♪
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♪ I don't care
I move on ♪
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♪ So bring on the media
To the driveway ♪
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I use my music
as an escape from reality.
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This is what I do right here,
drive around and listen to myself singing.
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♪ This old town is where I wanna be ♪
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♪ Is where I'm gonna be ♪
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♪ I moved up here
And I took a chance, yeah ♪
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♪ Started my own brother's dream ♪
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♪ Ain't much left here now ♪
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♪ Just some beat-up buildings
And a place to dream ♪
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♪ They still haunt me ♪
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♪ In this old town ♪
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This is a prepaid call from...
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Joe Exotic.
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...an inmate at the Grady County Jail.
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Me and Carole
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made money off of each other.
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We became popular off of each other
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because I was her
number one most wanted cub abuser
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that she could make money off of,
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and she was my number one
murdered-her-husband
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and-fed-him-to-the-tigers-and...
crazy bitch out there
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that I could make music videos
and shit about.
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All right,
we're gonna get Joe in there now.
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Oh, okay.
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God, this stinks! Hurry up!
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Come on, over here.
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If you don't think she's not making money
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off of me being in jail right now,
you're crazier than shit.
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Howard, this entire row of files
is all dedicated to Joe.
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Actually...
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this file cabinet...
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this is the current legal stuff...
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and... this one down here.
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Tilt up a bit, Michael.
We'll put it right there.
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Joe, let's have one right at this camera.
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- Come here.
- You got stills, Michael?
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Oh, it's a still camera?
Somebody get my...
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Wow, one with the mouth open
and everything.
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The more Joe got aware
of social media and how it worked,
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the more he realized that he needed
to work the name.
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Like, when you Google "big cat rescue,"
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it pulls up Big Cat Rescue
in Tampa, Florida.
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Do you know the power you have
if you search Google around the world,
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and you're the first choice every time?
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Hey, all you cool cats and kittens,
it's Carole at Big Cat Rescue...
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She is the one.
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She's the first choice every time,
supersedes all the zoos.
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She's at the top of all search.
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Most of the cats ate well today.
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Nat was a champ
and so was Frosty, the serval,
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except for no poop from Frosty.
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Joe started realizing that if he
made his name close to Big Cat Rescue,
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when they Google it,
it might pull him up first.
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Joe decided
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that the way he would get back at us...
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was to rename his traveling show
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"Big Cat Rescue Entertainment."
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He did that as a ploy to help
his, uh, ratings on the Internet.
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Where did you get the name?
Where'd you get the idea?
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Big Cat Rescue Entertainment?
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I mean, we're the biggest center
in the United States
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who are rescuing big cats.
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Uh, and we entertain people, okay?
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Here's our logo, all right?
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And here is what he started using.
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Notice that the "Entertainment" below
is a bit faded,
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so you don't even see it.
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The snow leopard eyes was, at that time,
the masthead on our website,
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so he was copying that.
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I don't want to say
it's all the way similar,
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but, I mean, it definitely looked like it.
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Here, he was handing out a business card
that said, "Florida office",
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and had our area code and number
that forwarded to him.
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Yeah, he come up with a Florida address
and a Florida phone number
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to help ping all that stuff together.
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And it worked.
People were contacting us and saying,
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"Hey, I didn't think you did
this sort of thing."
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Oh, that definitely pissed her off.
And then it just got worse.
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We couldn't sue him over the cub petting.
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We didn't have standing to do that.
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But we could sue him
for violating our copyright.
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We are now on the record
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in the matter of Big Cat Rescue Corp.
versus Big Cat Rescue Entertainment.
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This is the videotape deposition of Joe...
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uh, "Shreeb-uh-vogel"?
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- Schreibvogel.
- Okay.
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Honestly, I thought it would end there.
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I thought he would look at that
and be smart enough to say,
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"You know what?
I don't want the expense of a lawsuit.
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I'll just stop using their name."
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He continued to use the name,
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and he filed counter claims
to drag this out.
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We built a website, 911AnimalAbuse.org.
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We put a reward out for information
leading to who killed Don
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or where Don's remains are.
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Why did you set that up?
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Why did I set that up?
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To start posting the truth
about Carole Baskin for a change.
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Is Don really under the septic tank?
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We tried to expose the fact
that she is scamming the public.
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I'm gonna stay on your ass so hard...
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that you're gonna end up in jail for fraud
before this is over with.
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Why did it take $47,652
to put on your Fur Ball
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to only raise $45,000?
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This is just not true.
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I don't think Joe considers lying to be
a question of ethics.
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I think he would consider it
to be an art form.
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It was like the Hatfield and McCoy.
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They go at each other.
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"Oh, you did this!" "Well, you did that!"
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"I got this!" "I got that!"
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It's just a crazy little comedy
between exotic animal owners.
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She even got your big daddy cigar,
looky there.
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Oh, that's getting the phone to ringing.
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Joe Exotic was...
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everything I had dreamed of
in finding a reality show.
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- This morning we're shooting...
- ...publicity stills...
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...for Joe Exotic Tiger King,
the reality show...
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...in order to get the stills
that we need to send out
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to the news media
and everything else worldwide
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for the first episode of the show.
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And how should we set this thing up then,
knowing our poor angles...
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Rick Kirkham, he came to the zoo
as a producer for Joe's reality show.
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Joe had been trying,
and nobody could get it kicked off.
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Rick Kirkham promised him
he could get it done.
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Doing his little Internet shows
was only my way of getting into the zoo,
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because I had a camera crew shooting
a reality show
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behind the crews shooting
his Internet show.
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I could give a crap
about his Internet show.
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But that was the deal.
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He signed the contract.
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"I'll let you shoot a reality show
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if you'll go ahead and run my studio."
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Okay, people, stand by.
Fifteen seconds till showtime.
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- Stand by, video one.
- Video one is queued!
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Let's get Joe on the set.
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- Teleprompter...
- It worked out good for me.
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I was like, "Hell yeah, I'm gonna make
a million dollars off this reality show.
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I'll do your little piddly-ass
internet show."
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This is Joe Exotic's episode
of "Eaten Alive."
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Discovery Channel, here I come!
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I mean, it was a passion of his
to do a reality show.
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You know, gay man, owning a zoo,
toting a gun.
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He said it'll sell, for sure.
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Hey, I'm Joe Exotic,
otherwise known as The Tiger King.
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The gay, gun-carrying redneck
with a mullet.
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He was like a mythical character living
out in the middle of Bumfuck, Oklahoma,
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and owned 1,200 tigers and lions
and bears and monkeys and shit.
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We're shooting the reality show
in segments.
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In this morning's segment,
we would go into Joe's bedroom,
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get the alarm going off, Joe waking up...
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There was something so odd
about the man,
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and yet, he had so much confidence
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because he owned the world in his head.
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Got you.
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All right, keep rolling, keep rolling.
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Now this is the kind of movies
we're gonna make here, okay?
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Whoo!
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I'd settled on a title
of Joe Exotic, Tiger King
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for the reality show.
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That's fucking heavy.
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I said, "Here's what I wanna do, Joe.
I'm gonna build a king's throne.
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Big, solid wood, red velvet,
the whole works,
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and I'm gonna put it in
the middle of a big tiger cage
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with all these tigers around you."
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And he's like, "Oh... Okay! I like that!"
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He wanted to be famous...
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more than he wanted anything else in life.
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Man, when he saw that footage,
he went wild.
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He’s like, "I am the Tiger King!
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I've always been the Tiger King!"
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You can go in there and go into
the gift shop into his office
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at eight, nine o'clock at night,
and hear this...
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...and you go around,
and he was sitting there,
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playing this shot over and over
of him in this throne.
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Joe's ego was so big.
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Can you give me my whip?
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Way too big for his little body.
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Look into my eyes. No...
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He would have done anything
to become famous.
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I watched him fire people
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just because he knew
the camera was rolling.
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...problem with that?
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Having the cameras run
on the morning meetings set Joe off.
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It was like lighting a firecracker.
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And if you think it's funny,
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you can pack
your shit and go right now!
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- I like...
- Because the disrespect around this place
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is ending today!
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You're the slacker,
and you do less than anybody here.
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Ain't gonna work with me,
so you need to find a new job.
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He started getting so crazy to where
he had a rubber blow-up doll,
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and he would have "Carole"
written on a name tag on it,
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and he would take a dildo
and be shoving it in her mouth.
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"Carole, this is coming for you!
It's gonna catch up."
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I mean, it got crazy. Got crazy.
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She ain't going nowhere.
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You wanna know why
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Carole Baskin better never, ever, ever
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see me face-to-face
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ever, ever, ever again?
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That is how sick
and tired of this shit I am.
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And this picture that you see back here,
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that's our sign-up front
with him posing in front of it
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with bullet holes in it.
It's like, this guy is just...
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unbelievable.
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We all tried to tell him,
"Knock it off, stupid."
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Y'know, all you're doing
is asking for a battle that you don't...
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Even if you do win,
it's still gonna cost so much time,
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so much money, so much everything.
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Bow down, tell her to go fuck herself
and walk the fuck out.
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But no, he didn't.
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He became more obsessed with all that
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than he actually...
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took care of the cats that he had.
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I'm not trying to pat myself on the back
or anything, but I'm glad I was here.
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And then the rabbit picture
showed up on Facebook.
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I was given a picture via email
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from a lady in Florida
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of Big Cat Rescue's employees
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bashing rabbits in the head
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and posing
like they're some kind of trophies,
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with big smiles on their face.
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This is what I got sued over.
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Does that look happy?
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Are you familiar with
one of your videos that you titled
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"Carole Baskin Saga 39:
Killing Innocent Rabbits"?
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Um...
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I remember doing 57 sagas
about Carole Baskin.
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I don't, right in front of me,
have what Saga 39 was about.
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But yes, I did some sagas
on Carole Baskin killing rabbits.
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It was back before we could
afford to give the whole prey to the cats
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as frequently as we do now.
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So, they're holding these rabbits
with blood on their noses,
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and they're grinning from ear to ear
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because their favorite cat's
finally getting a rabbit,
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and yet, that has been twisted
into us being these horrific monsters
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that would get pleasure out of
hurting a rabbit.
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So, you know, that kind of stuff,
you're just like, "Ugh...
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really, do I have to explain this
to somebody?"
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She sued me for copyright.
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- Well, what'd you do?
- I posted it all over Facebook.
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This wasn't her photo, either.
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After I posted it, she paid five dollars
for the person that took this photo,
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and then, three months later,
she copyrighted it,
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and then, she sued me.
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The one lawsuit was about the rabbit photo
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and the other lawsuit was about
a bunch of photos
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where he would take a picture of Carole
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and take her head
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and put it on the body of a man
in a diaper.
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This here's this picture
of this gooey thing
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and it says "Smile everyone!
Life could be worse.
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You could have a crotch like Carole does."
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I believe they had just
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slaughtered a horse,
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and this is the horse's penis
that he's holding
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and it says "Hey, Howard,
suck my Captain Morgan, LOL."
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And by the way, that is a penis.
A horse penis.
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That... that was my recollection.
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We did a protest
in front of Carole's place.
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Big Cat Rescue kills its cats!
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- Let's find Don Lewis.
- Find Don Lewis.
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Every person who drove by
hollered, "Murderer."
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I don't even know
how you hold your head up
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in a community that thinks
you killed your husband.
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And at the time
that you were handing out
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these handouts with the photograph,
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which is Exhibit 1,
this lawsuit was already pending, correct?
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Mmm, yeah.
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And you were aware
that Big Cat Rescue...
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uh, did not approve of or authorize
your use of this photograph, correct?
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Yeah, except I didn't make these.
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But you participated
in the demonstration
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and handed them out, correct?
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Yep. No, actually, I didn't hand them out.
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I'm the one in the bunny suit.
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Third page, you're the bunny?
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Put it on.
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen!
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I'm Joe Exotic,
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and we're gonna make an honest woman
out of this bitch.
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That's my opening.
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Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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In early 2013,
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we were coming up
to this trial in January,
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and we had filed a motion
for summary judgment.
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And the judge announced
that she was granting our motion...
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...and his counterclaims were going away.
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Oklahoma's home for live,
local, late-breaking coverage!
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An Oklahoma man
who goes by the name Joe Exotic
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has agreed to pay
a Florida animal sanctuary
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nearly one million dollars to resolve
a trademark infringement lawsuit.
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You know the saying
that you get your day in court?
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Well, I don't feel
we got our day in court.
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Dirty politics is what I call it.
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She had to result
into financially draining us.
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You know, I actually believed in
the justice system there for a while,
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until this happened.
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The million-dollar judgment,
you know, I just thought she did it
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to make a point.
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"Look, I'm not gonna back down.
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00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:20,104
You're not gonna intimidate me,
and you're not gonna have the final word."
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I was surprised that she was actually
trying to collect payment.
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Who has the millions
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to spend that amount of time in court?
She did.
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She'll never get a million dollars
out of me. I don't own anything.
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I don't own anything.
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This bus is not mine.
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Those cars are not mine.
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I'm not stupid.
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She wanted everything in assets.
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From vehicles to four-wheelers
to... everything.
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00:17:02,646 --> 00:17:04,982
She can take everything away from me.
319
00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:10,446
I don't give a shit because she will never
shut this mouth up, all right?
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Until the day I see her ass in prison.
321
00:17:18,245 --> 00:17:21,415
Joe, he turned over what he had to.
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'Cause a lot of it was possessions.
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She took the semitruck,
and she took the tour bus,
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which, in her opinion, was a win
325
00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:33,635
because he couldn't do road shows anymore,
not without the equipment.
326
00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:37,056
He had already spent
a quarter million dollars fighting her.
327
00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:41,226
Carole had him by the balls,
and he hated her.
328
00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,145
God, he hated her.
329
00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:45,981
Did I hear you say you wanted
my fucking watch?
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Really? My watch?
331
00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:50,462
Any of the assets
that Carole wanted in the lawsuit,
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he would take out there
and blow it up with Tannerite.
333
00:17:54,865 --> 00:17:57,659
They tell me you want my goddamn bed too.
334
00:17:58,786 --> 00:17:59,995
God damn.
335
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He'd say,
"Here's your assets, come get 'em,"
336
00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:04,416
and it'd just be a pile of crap.
337
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He never stopped antagonizing her.
338
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All I did constantly was:
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00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:11,715
"Roll the camera,
roll the camera, roll the camera,"
340
00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,175
to get all that shit on tape.
341
00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:17,387
And I had everything on videotape,
good, bad, and ugly.
342
00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:20,641
I wanna make this show go.
343
00:18:20,724 --> 00:18:23,852
I know how great
this reality show could be.
344
00:18:24,019 --> 00:18:25,019
It's so unique.
345
00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:27,606
I just gotta get it on network.
346
00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:32,319
I've been living here on the zoo
and living and working,
347
00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:34,154
and I'm here at the zoo 24/7.
348
00:18:34,738 --> 00:18:36,990
I'm just tired. Very tired.
349
00:18:43,038 --> 00:18:45,582
We were negotiating with a network...
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00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,127
uh, to buy the show.
351
00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,587
It would have netted him
quite a bit of money.
352
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:54,675
'Cause it's the only way
he was gonna pay that million dollars.
353
00:18:55,592 --> 00:18:57,427
But it came to a crashing halt.
354
00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:06,936
Oh, shit.
355
00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,191
Yeah, I got woked up
at six o'clock in the morning.
356
00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:16,280
Reinke came in, and these motherfuckers
had blown up our, uh...
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00:19:17,072 --> 00:19:18,198
the studio.
358
00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:21,076
The blast was so big
that it blew the doors open.
359
00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:27,541
Joe had gone to Chicago for a funeral,
360
00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:30,377
and it was me and Reinke
on the park with the other crew,
361
00:19:30,961 --> 00:19:33,857
and Reinke says, "I ain't touching nothing
till the fire department gets here.
362
00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:35,007
I want it looked at."
363
00:19:35,924 --> 00:19:39,386
That building,
where the alligators were kept,
364
00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:43,849
as well as a studio that Joe had...
it was clearly an arson.
365
00:19:43,932 --> 00:19:45,184
It was a set fire.
366
00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:47,936
It had burned so hot,
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00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,564
there was nothing left.
368
00:19:51,106 --> 00:19:53,108
I dropped to my knees and I cried.
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00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,778
I cried because all of our footage
was in that studio,
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00:19:56,945 --> 00:19:59,781
and I hadn't backed up anything
outside the studio.
371
00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:03,493
An arsonist hit our facility
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00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:06,997
and set fire to not only
my recording studio,
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00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,917
but the studio that houses our alligators,
374
00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:12,794
which caused them all to burn up
and perish,
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00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,339
boiling alive in a...
376
00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:16,715
Let's see.
377
00:20:17,257 --> 00:20:21,470
Boiling alive in an inferno,
a towering inferno?
378
00:20:21,970 --> 00:20:26,350
Boiling alive in a towering inferno
of nothing but flames and fire.
379
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,395
For somebody to burn down
an alligator house,
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00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:32,940
they gotta be a pretty sick person.
381
00:20:33,941 --> 00:20:35,192
Because they burned up...
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00:20:36,318 --> 00:20:39,071
seven of my... crocodilians.
383
00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:41,907
If you have a problem with me,
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00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:43,992
take it up with me, like a man.
385
00:20:44,451 --> 00:20:48,622
Don't burn live, innocent animals
to get your fucking point across.
386
00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:52,125
We're not really liked
by the animal world, you know,
387
00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:53,502
animal rights people hate us.
388
00:20:53,585 --> 00:20:57,673
We get constant threats on the phone,
e-mails, letters.
389
00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:59,883
We're offering a 10,000-dollar reward
390
00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:03,512
for information leading to the arrest
and the conviction
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00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:07,683
of either this suspect
or the people that were involved.
392
00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:11,311
If it is tied
to any animal rights organization,
393
00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:14,356
we are going to double that reward.
394
00:21:15,023 --> 00:21:19,027
Carole Baskin, crawl this fence
and try to hurt any of my animals again,
395
00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:21,947
you can guaran-goddamn-tee
I'm gonna put a cap in your ass
396
00:21:22,030 --> 00:21:24,825
the first time,
to make you squirm around on the ground.
397
00:21:24,908 --> 00:21:27,577
And then I'mma put a bullet
right between your fucking eyes!
398
00:21:29,204 --> 00:21:31,748
I'm waitin' for 'em
to catch Carole Baskin in this.
399
00:21:32,249 --> 00:21:34,626
Because we got e-mails between her
and my producer.
400
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:36,461
She offered him $20,000.
401
00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,798
Wait, wait,
she offered who $20,000?
402
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:40,757
My producer.
403
00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:41,925
To do what?
404
00:21:42,467 --> 00:21:45,178
To get all the footage
and set fire to my studio.
405
00:21:46,179 --> 00:21:49,683
I had sent Rick Kirkham a Facebook message
and I said,
406
00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:53,020
"I think you probably don't know about
the person you're working for."
407
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,813
Her intent was to warn him,
408
00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,456
but we never made him any kind of offer
409
00:21:56,481 --> 00:21:57,774
or asked him for anything.
410
00:21:58,692 --> 00:21:59,818
I got him on videotape.
411
00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,782
I swear that's Rick Kirkham
walking in front of the video
412
00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,576
that morning that it burnt down.
413
00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:09,786
I was, like, in shock.
414
00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:11,872
I was like,
"Are you out of your fucking mind?"
415
00:22:11,955 --> 00:22:14,958
It was like, "That's my retirement
that just burned, okay?
416
00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:18,587
I got everything invested in that project
that no longer exists."
417
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:23,133
As far as the footage,
I don't know who's got it.
418
00:22:23,717 --> 00:22:26,678
I suspected Kirkham
of taking all of his material.
419
00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:31,933
I was the one person Joe feared the most
420
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:36,188
because I was shooting everything
in his personal life...
421
00:22:36,897 --> 00:22:42,235
and could take what I saw and witnessed
and... and harm him with it.
422
00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:45,989
There was all kinds of shit on there.
423
00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:49,493
Reinke doing veterinary work
without a veterinarian.
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00:22:50,285 --> 00:22:51,745
We had cameras
425
00:22:51,828 --> 00:22:54,748
on everybody every minute of the day.
426
00:22:54,998 --> 00:22:56,833
He could have sold it to Carole,
427
00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:58,502
and Carole could be,
428
00:22:58,627 --> 00:22:59,627
you know,
429
00:22:59,669 --> 00:23:01,880
just saving it for a rainy day.
430
00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:03,757
Fuck me, man!
431
00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:06,885
A scenario was thrown at me:
432
00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:08,720
do you think it could have been Joe?
433
00:23:10,972 --> 00:23:12,474
Because when that happened...
434
00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:15,394
he was out of town for a funeral.
435
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:17,187
What better timing?
436
00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:20,690
Nobody would have ever suspected him
437
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,026
of calling to have it burned down.
438
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:26,655
All right.
439
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:29,783
Follow me. Don't ever
put that camera down in there.
440
00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,229
- Hi guys.
- What's happening?
441
00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:43,046
What kind of problem is there, Joe?
442
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:47,008
A week before
the studio burned to the ground,
443
00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:48,593
we had gotten into an argument,
444
00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,012
and he was like,
"You know, I don't need you.
445
00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:52,222
I can go on."
446
00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:54,141
And I pulled out our contract.
447
00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:56,685
I showed it to him.
I said, "Joe, when I came here,
448
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,438
not only do I own all the reality footage,
449
00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:01,648
I own all of your Internet footage
450
00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:03,608
from the time I came here
that I produced."
451
00:24:04,192 --> 00:24:08,530
My producers
are filming a reality show.
452
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:12,242
So they want to do a show
related to your park up there?
453
00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:14,327
They actually got it filmed.
454
00:24:14,411 --> 00:24:15,771
- Do they?
- Mm-hmm.
455
00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:18,415
And how are you protecting that?
456
00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,292
What do you mean?
457
00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:24,296
Well, if they've got it filmed,
what do they need you for?
458
00:24:25,881 --> 00:24:29,926
He blew up so bad
when I showed him that contract.
459
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:31,928
He was like, "You don't own me!"
460
00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,306
I said, "Joe, actually I do right now.
461
00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:37,142
I do own this show. I do own it."
462
00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:40,770
- Where is the film?
- In my recording studio.
463
00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:43,440
- They don't have copies of it?
- No.
464
00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:48,612
Do you see what I'm saying, Joe?
- I hear you.
465
00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:57,704
- Just pisses me off, dude.
- I know.
466
00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:03,043
I'll find somebody that needs ten grand.
467
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,504
Make a name for themselves.
468
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,846
After the studio burned,
whether he destroyed it or not,
469
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:15,931
it was gone.
470
00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:20,143
I remember walking over
and handing the camera to Reinke,
471
00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,604
and I just said, "I'm out of here, man."
472
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:24,487
And he said, "Yeah, might as well
go on home."
473
00:25:24,564 --> 00:25:25,690
I got my dog.
474
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:27,359
I got in my truck.
475
00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:31,530
I left everything I owned, and I drove,
and I left and went back to Dallas.
476
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,074
I had a complete nervous breakdown.
477
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:43,583
I was told by Joe and by Reinke,
478
00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,920
"If you step foot on the park again,
we'll have you arrested for trespassing."
479
00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:53,385
This fire happened at about the time
480
00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:57,264
Joe had a judgment placed on him
from a lady in Florida.
481
00:25:57,347 --> 00:25:59,224
Some of the items within this fire
482
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:01,142
were going to be under subpoena.
483
00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:04,938
And that was some hard drives
and... and some videotape
484
00:26:05,021 --> 00:26:07,607
and thing like that,
and that might have been a motivation
485
00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:09,609
to maybe destroy some evidence.
486
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:13,697
They might have shut me up
for just a little while,
487
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:16,825
but let me tell you,
they've awoken a monster.
488
00:26:16,908 --> 00:26:18,910
Now Joe Exotic's pissed off.
489
00:26:19,494 --> 00:26:20,787
Be sure and get online
490
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:23,999
and help us rebuild the voice
of you, the people,
491
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:27,127
to bring Joe Exotic TV back to the air.
492
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,045
Was it for the sympathy?
493
00:26:29,129 --> 00:26:30,129
Was it for...
494
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:31,589
the attention?
495
00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:33,008
Oh, yeah.
496
00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:36,511
Joe did take advantage of a lot of people.
497
00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:40,348
That's why I think the fire
of the alligator habitat was a scam.
498
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:43,560
When I first met Joe,
499
00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:49,399
we discussed what I would charge him
to rebuild at a decent rate.
500
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:52,152
I only charged him $8,000
501
00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:55,238
to rebuild that $120,000 building.
502
00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:57,407
You didn't make any money.
503
00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:58,867
- No.
- Why'd you do it?
504
00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:01,076
For the animals.
505
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,747
I mean, I got to pet cats that people
506
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:06,124
wasn't even supposed to be
putting their hands in around.
507
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:10,295
Five months ago,
508
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:13,173
an arsonist poured enough accelerant
in there
509
00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:15,884
to where it completely exploded
the building
510
00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:17,647
and burned the building
down to the ground.
511
00:27:17,677 --> 00:27:19,929
I would like to thank the people
from all over the world
512
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,182
who don't even know us
that dug deep in their pockets
513
00:27:22,265 --> 00:27:27,103
in order to rebuild this great
G.W. Exotic Animal Alligator Facility.
514
00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:32,275
Our investigation never did come
to anything definitive.
515
00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:34,611
So, the case is still open.
516
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:37,238
Again, it's clearly an arson fire.
517
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:38,573
I got great news for you.
518
00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:42,327
JoeExotic. TV returns to the air.
519
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:46,289
We're gonna expose the lies,
the corruption, and we are...
520
00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:49,250
That building contained computers
521
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:52,462
that held information
that we were seeking.
522
00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:55,799
I suspect that Joe was responsible
523
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:58,093
for having someone burn down the building,
524
00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:02,472
but I have no firsthand knowledge,
and I can't prove it.
525
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:09,229
How much has this cost you,
this lawsuit between you and Joe?
526
00:28:09,312 --> 00:28:11,731
We've spent over a million dollars
in legal fees.
527
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:13,959
You're kidding. Is it worth it?
528
00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:16,861
Well, if this were a purely
commercial situation, it wouldn't.
529
00:28:16,945 --> 00:28:19,030
You'd say this is not economic,
530
00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:22,033
but this is part of our mission,
to put a stop to this.
531
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:25,370
And we're not going to allow him
to abuse the system
532
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:29,332
and wear us out and cause us to go away
and succeed at that.
533
00:28:30,917 --> 00:28:32,717
You know,
if you've got the money...
534
00:28:32,752 --> 00:28:34,045
If you've got the money,
535
00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:36,423
you usually find yourself
on the right side.
536
00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:39,843
She's got deep pockets.
537
00:28:40,176 --> 00:28:43,888
I don't know if she wants the facility,
or if she wants the facility shut down.
538
00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:46,808
But any way you look at it,
she wants to take over the zoo.
539
00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:52,939
When Joe pretty much maxed out
all the credit cards
540
00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:57,986
is when he asked me if I wanted
to put the zoo into my name,
541
00:28:58,069 --> 00:29:00,321
and at the time,
it sounded like a good idea.
542
00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:03,783
I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Zoo.
543
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,412
Three, two, one.
544
00:29:07,537 --> 00:29:11,249
Hi, I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Ex...
545
00:29:12,792 --> 00:29:14,544
G.W. Zoo. It's real simple.
546
00:29:14,794 --> 00:29:15,628
Right on.
547
00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:18,757
They've done so many transfers
and quick claim deeds, you can't...
548
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,301
No one can keep track of it,
not even an attorney.
549
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,762
You can go down to the courthouse and ask.
550
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,930
If you just say
the last name Schreibvogel,
551
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,932
they just take a deep breath
and look at you.
552
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:34,105
Joe kept thinking if he changed the name,
it would just derail them and derail them.
553
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:36,399
Well, it didn't.
They just moved it to another lawsuit.
554
00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:39,944
Carole Baskin's lawyers are vicious,
555
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:42,405
and they go after anybody involved.
556
00:29:42,489 --> 00:29:45,283
She sued me also,
just 'cause I was at the zoo.
557
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:49,370
It was in the works that
I was going to be sued at the same time.
558
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:52,999
So, everybody that had been involved
all got drug into court.
559
00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,798
Joe's parents, Francis and Shirley...
560
00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:02,008
Their name,
Shirley's name is on everything.
561
00:30:02,091 --> 00:30:04,886
The trailers, the water bill,
the electric bill,
562
00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:06,930
the cable, you know, cable bills.
563
00:30:08,681 --> 00:30:11,434
Through the proceedings about the land
564
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:14,103
and fraudulent transfer to his mother,
565
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,732
the bankruptcy trustee went after her.
566
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:23,571
She sues my mom
for illegal transfer of assets.
567
00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:25,365
Okay? Mom dumps
568
00:30:25,448 --> 00:30:28,952
hundreds of thousands
of dollars into defending herself.
569
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:31,329
Instead of being in a tiger cage today,
570
00:30:31,412 --> 00:30:34,999
I'm... in a downtown area
of Oklahoma City.
571
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:38,920
Thanks to Carole Baskin for dragging us
all out of bed this morning
572
00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:43,216
and sticking my mom at the very top
of that building right there
573
00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:45,301
in order to fuck with her.
574
00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:48,346
Using a federal court in order to do that.
575
00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:52,433
Between the park and the lawsuit,
576
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,018
Mom ran out of money.
577
00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:56,312
Carole bankrupted 'em.
578
00:30:57,313 --> 00:31:00,441
Hello, good afternoon
to everybody in the nation.
579
00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:03,611
I want to thank you with my whole heart
580
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:06,155
for all the support and help you have done
581
00:31:06,447 --> 00:31:12,287
to get me and my husband out of the mess
we were in with this attorney.
582
00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:15,123
They come banging on my door
with the sheriff
583
00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:18,042
and demanding the whole sum of money
584
00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:21,254
or else they were going to come in
and confiscate all the furniture
585
00:31:21,337 --> 00:31:22,337
right then and there.
586
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,133
And I know from the bottom of my heart,
587
00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,552
Carole Baskin down in Florida
588
00:31:27,635 --> 00:31:29,178
is behind a lot of this
589
00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:32,307
because she's been harassing us
right along with Joe
590
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:33,641
for years,
591
00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:35,560
because she's so greedy,
592
00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:39,314
and she's so jealous of what he has made
of his animal park
593
00:31:39,647 --> 00:31:41,649
when hers is nothing.
594
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,485
It's... "Mom, pay for this attorney."
595
00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:47,739
That's every phone call.
"Mom, I need some money for this."
596
00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:49,073
Like 300-something.
597
00:31:49,157 --> 00:31:50,325
I went down to the courthouse
598
00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:52,410
and got a copy of one of the deeds,
and I said,
599
00:31:52,952 --> 00:31:55,496
"Grandma, are you aware
that this happened?"
600
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:58,475
And she said, "Well, he shoved a paper
in front of me and told me to sign.
601
00:31:58,499 --> 00:31:59,834
I didn't think anything of it."
602
00:32:01,502 --> 00:32:02,712
Joe drained them dry.
603
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,525
I told Joe,
"How're you gonna make money?
604
00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:09,833
"How are you gonna make money?"
605
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:12,680
He didn't have any other way to make money
other than cub petting.
606
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:13,973
So he had to breed.
607
00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:21,856
She's pushing another one out.
You need to be filming her ass.
608
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,460
See that cub come out
with that camera.
609
00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:24,525
Zoom in on her ass.
610
00:32:27,695 --> 00:32:30,156
At that point, Joe was really desperate.
611
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,780
He was gonna lose the zoo.
Carole was gonna take it.
612
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,331
She's panting hard.
613
00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:40,792
I know she's panting hard,
but she's having a cub.
614
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:42,666
You'll see, watch her ass.
615
00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:44,671
Get me a hole cut.
616
00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:47,465
There's a towel in my car. Go get it!
617
00:32:50,885 --> 00:32:52,720
Careful. Careful.
618
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:02,331
Everything's all right.
Everybody calm down. It'll be all right.
619
00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:03,715
Just do
what you're supposed to do.
620
00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:11,113
Female.
621
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,953
They just never stop screaming.
622
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,251
I had to finally go sleep
in that studio yesterday.
623
00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:25,003
It was the only way to muffle it.
624
00:33:26,212 --> 00:33:30,925
It still costs 60,000 to 70,000 dollars
a month just to feed all these animals.
625
00:33:33,469 --> 00:33:35,629
You gonna let them in
or you gonna stand there?
626
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:38,972
There's only 5 buckets of meat
in there and there's 14 cats in here.
627
00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:42,228
All we've got is
one barrel of meat right now.
628
00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:43,563
That's all we've got.
629
00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:47,567
So they all getting half buckets?
630
00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:50,319
It's the Walmart meat trucks
have sucked lately.
631
00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:53,489
We don't even have enough meat
to do the wolves. This is ridiculous.
632
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:56,325
Ah, no.
633
00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,538
Maintenance. It's like putting a band-aid
on everything every day.
634
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:05,501
I don't even have bear buckets today.
635
00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:07,170
I got one ham.
636
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,130
We got chicken coming, so...
637
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:10,882
You can feed heavy.
638
00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:17,597
Things got so bad,
639
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,441
we started negotiating with Carole
and Howard on how to get out of it.
640
00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:26,522
And that's when
I had mediation with Howard
641
00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:28,858
to try and settle the bullshit,
642
00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:30,777
you know, the lawsuit and everything.
643
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:34,264
The prospect of collecting
644
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:37,617
a million dollars from Joe
was not real high,
645
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:41,245
and I was willing to make concessions.
646
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:44,749
He pointed out
that his cash flow is very seasonal,
647
00:34:44,832 --> 00:34:46,667
that he has few visitors in the winter.
648
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,962
What if we take these monthly payments
649
00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:52,632
and make them lower in the winter
and bigger in the summer.
650
00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:55,885
So, there were four
or five issues like that
651
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:57,386
that I was willing to accommodate.
652
00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:01,140
We basically had a deal.
653
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:03,533
Me and Howard
came to an agreement.
654
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,687
And then, he got Carole
on the phone.
655
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:09,440
And Carole got greedy.
656
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,568
She wanted my mom and dad's house
as collateral.
657
00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,821
That was a deal-breaker.
658
00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:17,990
Carole Baskin,
659
00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:21,202
you've already stripped me
of just about everything I own.
660
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,957
And you're gonna have to kill me
to shut me up...
661
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,460
because I'm gonna die a hero...
662
00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,879
and I'm gonna liberate...
663
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:35,466
the animal world.
664
00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:40,471
It will be a cold day in hell
before you beat me.
665
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:46,936
God is in control.
666
00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:50,690
So he'll either pull me through this or...
667
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:53,526
he won't.
668
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,254
Jeff Lowe came on the scene
sometime in 2015.
669
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:17,466
He just brought the persona
that he was gonna save the zoo,
670
00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:19,594
so we dubbed him "the Godfather."
671
00:36:22,054 --> 00:36:23,514
He says he's rich.
672
00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:24,599
He's all about money.
673
00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:26,684
It's money, money, money, money, money.
674
00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:30,354
My introduction to Jeff Lowe was,
"Hey, Saff, this is our new investor."
675
00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:33,816
He came to the zoo.
Talked with Joe mostly.
676
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,235
He would need someplace to put
14 of his own cats.
677
00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:41,115
My grandfather owned...
It was called Robbins Brothers Circus.
678
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:44,327
It became the largest menagerie
of animals on Earth
679
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:45,995
with almost 100 elephants.
680
00:36:46,078 --> 00:36:48,581
I mean, this guy was...
He had a ton of animals,
681
00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:53,211
and my first cats that I got were probably
at 16 or 17 years old.
682
00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:56,589
Mountain lions and one tiger.
683
00:36:56,672 --> 00:36:58,799
What can I get you? What can I...
684
00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:01,302
Jeff was a businessman, for sure.
685
00:37:01,385 --> 00:37:06,098
You can tell he's been through
the business world a few times.
686
00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:10,853
He flashes a Ferrari around.
687
00:37:11,437 --> 00:37:13,648
Rumor has it he has a jet.
688
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:18,069
He would float back and forth
from Vegas to Wynnewood a lot.
689
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:21,906
He liked the party life.
690
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,074
He liked the scene.
691
00:37:23,157 --> 00:37:26,744
Up all night, Ecstasy, all that stuff.
I mean, that was just their style.
692
00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,580
And that was a big attractant for him
because he's a swinger.
693
00:37:29,664 --> 00:37:31,457
You know, him and Lauren swing.
694
00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:34,961
They like to have sex with other women
at the same time.
695
00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:37,922
They use the tigers to entice 'em in.
696
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:40,549
So, he took a few cubs out to Vegas.
697
00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,468
So those are like bait
to get girls?
698
00:37:42,551 --> 00:37:44,470
Oh yeah, it's good bait to get girls.
699
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,473
Who doesn't want
to play with a baby tiger?
700
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:49,684
For, I guess,
like, a really beautiful woman
701
00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:52,561
to get her picture with
a cute little dangerous animal,
702
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:55,231
it's like, "Oh, she's got a little spunk
in her, too!"
703
00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:58,276
A little pussy gets you a lot of pussy.
There you go...
704
00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:00,444
Yeah.
705
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:06,200
He put tiger cubs into, like,
a Louis Vuitton bag.
706
00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:11,247
He rolled them through the casino,
up into the suites,
707
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:14,580
and then brought people up to have
play times with them and party with them.
708
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,627
Oh, she loves you, honey.
709
00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:19,213
Basically, that was their free ride.
710
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,842
And girls came from everywhere.
711
00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:27,513
He posted so many pictures
of him in bed with girls,
712
00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:30,141
and Lauren in bed with girls,
713
00:38:30,224 --> 00:38:33,352
and it's the cats, it's really the cats
that'll draw people in.
714
00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:37,231
Joe says, "Y'all want more?
I'll give you more."
715
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:40,818
He's a playboy, and he's never denied it.
716
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:51,829
[Finlay Joe and Travis went out
to the mansion that Jeff Lowe had.
717
00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:53,581
Great big fucking mansion,
718
00:38:53,664 --> 00:38:55,750
indoor swimming pool in the house
and everything.
719
00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:57,501
Fucking crazy.
720
00:38:57,585 --> 00:39:00,546
Sitting here with Jeff Lowe.
We have had a fun day. We went...
721
00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:02,423
He wines us and dines us,
722
00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:04,050
and goes and spends all this money
723
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:07,094
on weed and everything else
for Travis and...
724
00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:09,722
It was awesome. It was awesome.
725
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:14,310
You know, I think he got up there,
and he was enamored by the big house
726
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:15,644
and fancy cars,
727
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:18,230
and he thought that,
"Here’s my next victim."
728
00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:20,566
What have you got?
729
00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:22,651
He had the money to fight Carole.
730
00:39:23,402 --> 00:39:25,279
I want two or three of those roller carts
731
00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:27,365
of hundred dollar bills
you had in your warehouse.
732
00:39:28,866 --> 00:39:30,910
We might be able to get you one.
733
00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:33,954
I saw, like, Joe bow down to Jeff.
734
00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:36,624
And I didn't like that at all.
735
00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:42,088
Joe was kind of secretive
about what was going on.
736
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:44,130
Hey, guys.
737
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:47,134
Welcome to free conference.
738
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:49,720
They had a call inside the office.
739
00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:54,225
It was a conference call between Joe,
Howard Baskin, and the attorneys.
740
00:39:55,267 --> 00:39:58,854
That was supposed to have been private,
all of us had to go outside the office.
741
00:39:58,979 --> 00:40:02,400
But Jeff Lowe was actually in there,
and he was laying low during the call.
742
00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:05,277
They thought they had Joe against
the ropes because he was broke.
743
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:08,155
Joe offered to pay them $5,000 a month.
744
00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:10,503
They said, "Well, that isn't good enough."
745
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,743
She says, "We want $5,000 a month,
746
00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:16,956
and you're gonna stop breeding,
and you're gonna stop cub petting."
747
00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:19,583
And Joe says, "Well, how do you think
748
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:23,462
I can make the $5,000 a month to pay you,
749
00:40:23,546 --> 00:40:25,131
if it's not through what I do?"
750
00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:28,050
I just got sick of it, and I stepped up.
751
00:40:28,759 --> 00:40:30,678
So this is all just a waste of time.
752
00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:34,640
That settlement agreement
is so far from acceptable.
753
00:40:34,723 --> 00:40:36,934
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Who's speaking, please?
754
00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:38,226
Jeff Lowe.
755
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:41,123
- We need you to get off the call.
- You know what?
756
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:43,899
When I woke up this morning
I was in a free fucking country!
757
00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:45,776
And I'm still there.
758
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:49,655
And the mediator said,
"If you won't get off the call,
759
00:40:49,738 --> 00:40:51,323
we have to terminate the call,"
760
00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:54,076
and Jeff said, "Well, then,
I just want to say..."
761
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,204
Howard, fuck yourself,
and fuck your cunt wife.
762
00:40:57,288 --> 00:40:58,956
"...fuck Howard and his cunt wife."
763
00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:06,797
With Jeff Lowe coming in to help him,
764
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,550
Joe believed that if he just
765
00:41:09,925 --> 00:41:11,385
convinced us that he had
766
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,762
endless resources
to keep the lawsuit going,
767
00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:16,015
we would suddenly fold our tent
and go away,
768
00:41:16,098 --> 00:41:18,601
which, of course, we were not going to do.
769
00:41:19,185 --> 00:41:22,104
He owed 40 or 50,000 dollars
to attorneys
770
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:23,355
that were ready to...
771
00:41:23,856 --> 00:41:25,649
stop defending him in his lawsuit
772
00:41:25,941 --> 00:41:27,318
that he had with Carole Baskin.
773
00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:31,280
And they said,
"We'll make it 35 if you can pay that."
774
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:35,117
So, Jeff got a cashier's check
for $35,000.
775
00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:38,662
And then my lawyers recommended
776
00:41:38,996 --> 00:41:43,125
that we just dissolve the Garold Wayne
Interactive Zoo company
777
00:41:43,209 --> 00:41:45,669
and let Jeff open one in his name,
778
00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:48,672
so Carole would have to start the lawsuits
all over again.
779
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:51,217
So that's what we did.
780
00:41:52,134 --> 00:41:54,512
- Here's another $10,000 reward...
- Cash!
781
00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,805
In cash. I'm not saying she did it.
782
00:41:56,889 --> 00:41:59,225
I'm saying if you have information
783
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:03,521
that leads to her arrest,
not even conviction, just her arrest.
784
00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:05,104
Wow.
785
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:07,608
What do you know
about Jeff Lowe? Like what...
786
00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:09,944
Only allegedly, not my business.
787
00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:12,696
Right?
I'm not gonna tell on camera
788
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:15,658
what's wrong with Jeff, so that one day,
this becomes a lawsuit.
789
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:17,116
You know?
790
00:42:17,743 --> 00:42:20,120
When I met Jeff Lowe,
791
00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:21,956
I thought I could trust him.
792
00:42:22,748 --> 00:42:25,042
And, oh, my god, shit hit the fan.
793
00:42:26,126 --> 00:42:28,462
I didn't know that mansion was rented.
794
00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:31,715
I didn't know that he was behind
on Ferrari payments.
795
00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:35,719
And as soon as he got the zoo
in his name,
796
00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:39,014
the evil side of Jeff and Lauren came out.
797
00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:44,019
Get out, Lauren.
798
00:42:44,436 --> 00:42:46,313
No, get! Get!
799
00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:53,125
- You all right?
- Fine.
800
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:58,784
And tell me what happened
when Jeff Lowe got involved.
801
00:42:59,285 --> 00:43:00,578
Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.
802
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,123
- Wait, say that again?
- Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.65374
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