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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:04,539 The problem with the people that run tech companies 2 00:00:05,406 --> 00:00:07,906 is that they become fanatics, 3 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:10,008 end up thinking they're messiahs. 4 00:00:24,058 --> 00:00:26,088 The most wanted man in San Francisco 5 00:00:26,127 --> 00:00:28,197 calls himself the Zodiac Killer. 6 00:00:28,229 --> 00:00:30,899 The desire to know who my father was 7 00:00:30,931 --> 00:00:32,031 overcame me. 8 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:34,366 My sole intent and my sole purpose 9 00:00:34,402 --> 00:00:35,942 was to find this man. 10 00:00:35,969 --> 00:00:39,109 With Gary, things began to get tense 11 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:41,610 simply because he believes it very strongly. 12 00:00:41,642 --> 00:00:44,312 When I got Susan to help me write the book, 13 00:00:44,412 --> 00:00:47,152 she went a whole lot deeper than I ever dreamed of. 14 00:00:47,248 --> 00:00:48,978 This is the Zodiac speaking, 15 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:50,653 and this cipher is my identity. 16 00:00:50,751 --> 00:00:53,321 When I looked at it, I immediately saw 17 00:00:53,421 --> 00:00:55,421 my father's name, Earl Van Best Jr. 18 00:00:55,456 --> 00:00:57,086 spelled out completely. 19 00:00:57,125 --> 00:00:59,485 I contacted a forensic handwriting expert. 20 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:00,633 There's a strong probability 21 00:01:00,661 --> 00:01:03,101 that Earl Van Best Jr. wrote the Zodiac letters. 22 00:01:03,131 --> 00:01:04,971 That's when I became convinced 23 00:01:04,998 --> 00:01:07,998 that my father was the Zodiac Killer. 24 00:01:17,411 --> 00:01:19,751 In 2004, 25 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:23,580 although the case was considered closed and inactive, 26 00:01:23,617 --> 00:01:26,487 if anybody had a credible lead, 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,960 they should contact this guy named Lieutenant John Hennessey 28 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,090 in the San Francisco Police Department. 29 00:01:32,126 --> 00:01:34,256 So I called him and when he answered the phone, 30 00:01:34,295 --> 00:01:37,495 I said, "Lieutenant Hennessey, my name is Gary Stewart 31 00:01:37,531 --> 00:01:39,431 "and I have a story. 32 00:01:41,001 --> 00:01:43,601 "My mother was once married 33 00:01:43,637 --> 00:01:45,307 "to Rotea Gilford. 34 00:01:46,674 --> 00:01:49,614 "I have been looking for my father 35 00:01:49,977 --> 00:01:52,607 "with a little help from Sergeant Butler, 36 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:54,716 "and I have come to the conclusion 37 00:01:54,815 --> 00:01:57,015 that I believe my father might have been 38 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:58,220 the Zodiac Killer. 39 00:02:00,454 --> 00:02:02,364 Right after that, Hennessey went 40 00:02:02,390 --> 00:02:03,660 to Harold Butler's office, 41 00:02:03,691 --> 00:02:05,991 and he asked to see 42 00:02:06,026 --> 00:02:07,126 my father's file. 43 00:02:07,161 --> 00:02:08,701 And Hennessey told me, 44 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:11,199 "Gary, your father's file was sitting 45 00:02:11,232 --> 00:02:12,702 on Butler's desk." 46 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:15,573 But Harold Butler refused to let Hennessey 47 00:02:15,803 --> 00:02:18,043 see what was in that file. 48 00:02:20,508 --> 00:02:23,308 I said, "I have a question. 49 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:26,254 Has the Zodiac case been solved?" 50 00:02:26,347 --> 00:02:28,747 And he just chuckled and he said... 51 00:02:28,849 --> 00:02:31,489 "I wish it were solved." 52 00:02:31,519 --> 00:02:34,019 Arthur Leigh Allen was the prime suspect 53 00:02:34,054 --> 00:02:36,324 in the Zodiac case, 54 00:02:36,357 --> 00:02:39,487 but he's denied to the day he died 55 00:02:39,527 --> 00:02:41,027 being the Zodiac Killer. 56 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:45,265 And one statement he made was that, 57 00:02:45,366 --> 00:02:46,666 "You guys have it all wrong. 58 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,240 "I know who the Zodiac Killer is. 59 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:51,507 He's a crazy man I met 60 00:02:51,539 --> 00:02:53,609 in Atascadero State Hospital." 61 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:55,677 So when I went to the SFPD 62 00:02:55,709 --> 00:02:57,109 without knowing anything 63 00:02:57,211 --> 00:02:59,451 about what my father's record looked like 64 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:02,580 I told Lieutenant John Hennessey 65 00:03:02,616 --> 00:03:05,346 my assumption was that one of the things listed 66 00:03:05,386 --> 00:03:06,846 on my father's rap sheet 67 00:03:06,887 --> 00:03:10,287 would be that my father would have been confined 68 00:03:10,391 --> 00:03:11,691 in Atascadero. 69 00:03:13,394 --> 00:03:15,434 So I told Lieutenant John Hennessey 70 00:03:15,463 --> 00:03:17,703 I bet you you're gonna find 71 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:20,771 that my father was institutionalized 72 00:03:20,801 --> 00:03:22,101 in Atascadero. 73 00:03:22,736 --> 00:03:24,806 And that's the first thing he saw 74 00:03:24,905 --> 00:03:26,805 on my father's rap sheet. 75 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:34,081 Lieutenant Hennessey asked if he could gather 76 00:03:34,114 --> 00:03:36,784 a voluntary sample of my DNA. 77 00:03:36,817 --> 00:03:38,247 So he swabbed me. 78 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:44,155 Hennessey told me that they had a partial profile 79 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:46,758 of the Zodiac's DNA from a stamp. 80 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:48,564 And so that's what they were gonna compare 81 00:03:48,596 --> 00:03:50,556 my DNA to. 82 00:03:50,598 --> 00:03:53,568 And I know that if this case was gonna be solved, 83 00:03:53,601 --> 00:03:55,741 it was gonna be solved because of DNA. 84 00:05:04,338 --> 00:05:06,508 In San Francisco, two more communications 85 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:07,840 have been received from the Zodiac. 86 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:10,910 Schoolchildren... 87 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:13,349 make fine targets. 88 00:05:13,381 --> 00:05:16,481 I think I shall wipe out a school bus some morning. 89 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:18,387 Just shoot out the front tire 90 00:05:18,419 --> 00:05:20,519 and then pick off the kiddies 91 00:05:20,554 --> 00:05:22,524 as they come bouncing out. 92 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:28,229 That was the threat of the Zodiac Killer. 93 00:05:28,261 --> 00:05:31,201 The psychotic killer has already murdered five. 94 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:35,773 We change our route practically every day, 95 00:05:36,203 --> 00:05:39,743 and the police has been riding either ahead 96 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:41,413 or behind and watching. 97 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:45,677 The Zodiac was a rare killer 98 00:05:45,713 --> 00:05:47,853 that was gonna play the press 99 00:05:47,881 --> 00:05:49,851 for his own ego. 100 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:52,253 saying that he couldn't wait 101 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:53,785 to shoot small children 102 00:05:53,887 --> 00:05:55,587 coming off a bus. 103 00:05:56,223 --> 00:05:58,033 You can imagine the shivers 104 00:05:58,058 --> 00:06:00,858 that sent up the spine of every mother 105 00:06:00,894 --> 00:06:03,804 in San Francisco. 106 00:06:03,897 --> 00:06:08,267 The school bus was a clear reference to my mother 107 00:06:08,301 --> 00:06:10,401 because my father met my mother 108 00:06:10,438 --> 00:06:12,908 when she came bouncing off of a school bus. 109 00:06:15,308 --> 00:06:17,278 This morning, the people of San Francisco 110 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:20,050 heard a man who claimed to be Zodiac 111 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,780 talking on the air with attorney Melvin Belli. 112 00:06:23,917 --> 00:06:25,887 If it all boils down to the question 113 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:28,789 of your giving yourself up if you could be assured 114 00:06:28,822 --> 00:06:30,822 that you wouldn't get capital punishment, 115 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:32,734 - for myself-- No, I don't want to give myself up. 116 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,830 I wanna kill those kids. 117 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:41,437 Whether that's Zodiac or not, I don't know, 118 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:42,639 but this man was a sick man. 119 00:06:44,004 --> 00:06:45,914 So now all we can do is wait. 120 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:47,439 Wait until the next time 121 00:06:47,475 --> 00:06:49,775 when the Zodiac Killer calls again. 122 00:06:52,513 --> 00:06:54,853 What are you doing to protect the school buses, 123 00:06:54,948 --> 00:06:56,518 particularly in San Francisco? 124 00:06:58,486 --> 00:07:01,286 In San Francisco, we have been, since the first day 125 00:07:01,321 --> 00:07:04,021 since the reception of this note, 126 00:07:04,124 --> 00:07:06,834 and up to now and continuing, 127 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:10,500 we have a number of plain clothes officers 128 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:11,931 following buses in the morning 129 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:13,665 and in the evening. 130 00:07:17,605 --> 00:07:19,335 This is the Zodiac speaking. 131 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:23,341 If you cops think I'm going to take on a bus 132 00:07:23,376 --> 00:07:25,046 the way I stated I was, 133 00:07:25,145 --> 00:07:28,845 you deserve to have holes in your heads. 134 00:07:28,882 --> 00:07:31,692 The death machine is already made. 135 00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:34,389 Take one bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer 136 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:36,788 and one gallon of stove oil 137 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:38,964 and dump a few bags of gravel on top... 138 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:42,364 and then set the shit off. 139 00:07:43,631 --> 00:07:45,501 The map coupled with this code 140 00:07:45,533 --> 00:07:47,803 will tell you where the bomb is set. 141 00:07:47,835 --> 00:07:50,365 You have until next fall to dig it up. 142 00:07:51,371 --> 00:07:52,671 ZODIAC, 143 00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:54,876 a symbol that now stands for terror 144 00:07:54,908 --> 00:07:55,908 in San Francisco. 145 00:07:58,378 --> 00:08:00,548 On the cover, it says, "I hope you enjoy yourselves 146 00:08:00,581 --> 00:08:02,051 "when I have my blast. 147 00:08:02,082 --> 00:08:03,652 P.S. read the back." 148 00:08:03,917 --> 00:08:05,987 On the back, it says, "If you don't want me 149 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:08,819 "to have this blast, you must do two things. 150 00:08:08,856 --> 00:08:11,486 "Tell everyone about the bus bomb 151 00:08:11,525 --> 00:08:14,895 with all the details." 152 00:08:14,928 --> 00:08:18,668 I saw the Zodiac as a kind of prototypical terrorist. 153 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:22,669 He was holding the whole populace hostage 154 00:08:22,703 --> 00:08:25,613 and doing so by blackmailing the press 155 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:27,776 to publish his letters. 156 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:31,605 At one point, he began to insist that 157 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:33,582 the citizens of San Francisco 158 00:08:33,614 --> 00:08:35,924 should wear Zodiac buttons. 159 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:39,049 And he was insisting that the San Francisco Chronicle 160 00:08:39,086 --> 00:08:40,946 promote that idea. 161 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:42,764 So talk about ego. 162 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:48,696 In his letters, the Zodiac was wanting 163 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:50,629 to be seen as having 164 00:08:50,731 --> 00:08:54,431 this level of intelligence and sophistication and so on. 165 00:08:54,467 --> 00:08:57,097 He makes reference to The Mikado 166 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:58,767 by Gilbert and Sullivan. 167 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:03,741 He writes one long letter as kind of a parody 168 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:06,707 of The Mikado. 169 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:09,817 * As some day it may happen that a victim must be found * 170 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:12,587 * I've got a little list I've got a little list * 171 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:15,720 * Of society offenders who might well be underground * 172 00:09:15,756 --> 00:09:17,986 * Who never would be missed, who never would be missed * 173 00:09:21,595 --> 00:09:24,155 As I research my father's life, 174 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:26,834 I discover that as a young boy 175 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:28,944 my father learned The Mikado 176 00:09:28,969 --> 00:09:31,969 when he and his parents were missionaries in Japan. 177 00:09:33,941 --> 00:09:35,111 They attended plays, 178 00:09:35,142 --> 00:09:36,842 and they would send playbills back 179 00:09:36,944 --> 00:09:39,814 to the family in South Carolina. 180 00:09:39,847 --> 00:09:42,477 One of my father's cousins said that 181 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:44,645 one of the playbills that they remember seeing 182 00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:46,015 was from The Mikado. 183 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:52,758 I also got verification from his friend William Lohmus 184 00:09:52,793 --> 00:09:55,003 that they listened to The Mikado 185 00:09:55,028 --> 00:09:56,758 at my father's home. 186 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:59,670 My father knew the words, 187 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:02,800 by heart and would sing the songs. 188 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:07,508 He was obsessed with The Mikado. 189 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:19,487 A few months after The Mikado letter, 190 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:21,219 the Zodiac sent a Halloween card 191 00:10:21,321 --> 00:10:23,021 to Paul Avery who was a reporter 192 00:10:23,056 --> 00:10:26,186 for the San Francisco Chronicle covering the Zodiac case. 193 00:10:28,696 --> 00:10:30,296 I put no credence in this. 194 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:32,900 I think he just wanted to get himself a little publicity. 195 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,740 I think that the Zodiac 196 00:10:36,003 --> 00:10:38,973 is just making an idle threat, frankly. 197 00:10:39,006 --> 00:10:41,136 When Paul got this Halloween card, 198 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:42,714 it was the first time the zodiac had ever 199 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:44,853 actually threatened a specific person. 200 00:10:47,214 --> 00:10:49,754 So this is the Halloween card 201 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:51,080 sent to Paul Avery. 202 00:10:52,585 --> 00:10:54,015 "From your secret pal." 203 00:10:54,722 --> 00:10:56,992 He was clearly indicating to Paul Avery 204 00:10:57,024 --> 00:10:59,064 that they knew each other. 205 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:01,030 They had met before. 206 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:06,703 Back in 1962, after Van was arrested, 207 00:11:06,734 --> 00:11:08,844 Paul Avery went to visit him in prison, 208 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:11,339 and a story was published 209 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:13,341 dubbing Judy and Van's romance 210 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:15,043 as the "Ice Cream Romance." 211 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:16,906 In this story, 212 00:11:17,277 --> 00:11:19,277 Paul Avery was not very complimentary. 213 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:22,077 He described him as balding, 214 00:11:22,115 --> 00:11:24,575 bespectacled, and a pedophile. 215 00:11:26,854 --> 00:11:29,894 My father held a grudge for all those years, 216 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:32,860 and Paul Avery would have had no way of knowing 217 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:35,063 that this was Earl Van Best Jr., 218 00:11:35,095 --> 00:11:37,795 the guy who he humiliated 219 00:11:37,898 --> 00:11:39,268 just seven years before. 220 00:11:42,903 --> 00:11:45,143 Soon after he received the Halloween card, 221 00:11:45,238 --> 00:11:47,778 Paul Avery received an anonymous letter 222 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,778 that linked a four-year-old murder 223 00:11:49,810 --> 00:11:51,910 in Riverside, California to the Zodiac Killer. 224 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,920 I received a letter pointing out the similarities 225 00:11:55,949 --> 00:11:58,119 so I contacted the Riverside Police. 226 00:11:58,651 --> 00:12:01,251 They sent me a letter that had been received 227 00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:03,888 six months after the Riverside girl 228 00:12:03,924 --> 00:12:04,994 had been killed. 229 00:12:05,458 --> 00:12:07,728 And so this might be of interest to you, 230 00:12:07,961 --> 00:12:09,301 it's signed with a Z. 231 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:17,144 On October 30, 1966, 232 00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:19,740 the Zodiac killed Cheri Jo Bates 233 00:12:19,773 --> 00:12:22,113 outside of the Riverside Library. 234 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:24,082 He stabbed her 47 times. 235 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:59,211 I don't believe that he committed that murder. 236 00:12:59,312 --> 00:13:02,382 We know that he killed five people. 237 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:07,645 As if to boost his reputation, 238 00:13:07,687 --> 00:13:09,817 he began to claim other murders 239 00:13:09,857 --> 00:13:11,827 that he actually didn't commit. 240 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:15,199 So the question comes up, why did he stop 241 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:16,398 committing more murders? 242 00:13:18,866 --> 00:13:20,866 As time went on, it almost seemed like 243 00:13:20,901 --> 00:13:25,171 the letters were being written by a totally different person. 244 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:27,465 So I suspect that he suffered from 245 00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:29,677 multiple personality disorder. 246 00:13:31,378 --> 00:13:34,378 One of the later letters has a feeling of, 247 00:13:34,414 --> 00:13:37,024 help, stop me before I kill again. 248 00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:42,819 We have this picture of a divided self 249 00:13:42,856 --> 00:13:45,226 that is able to kind of be aware 250 00:13:45,258 --> 00:13:48,328 that there are two parts going on. 251 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:50,861 There is a conflict going on inside. 252 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,940 But people tend to age out of that problem. 253 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:59,010 So my hypothesis is 254 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:01,769 that his Zodiac personality 255 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,235 was deteriorating. 256 00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:07,746 There was a three-year period 257 00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:09,880 in which we heard nothing from him. 258 00:14:09,917 --> 00:14:11,277 He may have been in prison. 259 00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,924 He may have been in a mental hospital 260 00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:17,524 or this more helpful personality 261 00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:20,727 may have been in control during that period. 262 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,967 During the final years of the Zodiac, 263 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:32,310 my father's whereabouts are unknown, 264 00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:34,865 but I uncovered his FBI file 265 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:37,948 and he resurfaced in 1975, 266 00:14:37,978 --> 00:14:40,878 a year after the last known Zodiac letter was sent. 267 00:14:42,115 --> 00:14:44,875 In that file, I found out that my father 268 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,788 called up the FBI 269 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:51,490 to report that he knew of an assassination attempt 270 00:14:51,591 --> 00:14:54,061 on Gerald Ford's life. 271 00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:57,904 Well, the FBI called the local SFPD 272 00:14:57,931 --> 00:15:00,331 and says this call is coming from a pay phone 273 00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:02,943 right there at 100 Embarcadero. 274 00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:06,936 And so the SFPD show up and arrest him 275 00:15:06,974 --> 00:15:08,914 on a drunk tank charge. 276 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:13,910 In the late 1970s, my father was arrested 277 00:15:13,947 --> 00:15:16,917 two more times for drunk driving charges 278 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:20,150 and after that, he disappeared again. 279 00:15:20,187 --> 00:15:23,487 But I found a friend of my grandfather 280 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:25,963 who told me what had happened to my father. 281 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:30,601 It was in a letter from him where he said, 282 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,800 I'm sorry to have to inform you 283 00:15:32,832 --> 00:15:34,802 that your father... 284 00:15:35,202 --> 00:15:36,372 is deceased. 285 00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:39,944 He died in 1984, 286 00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:43,013 and he's buried in an unmarked grave 287 00:15:43,043 --> 00:15:44,313 in Mexico City. 288 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,446 I had spent so many years trying to find my father 289 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:53,293 and hoping to find him alive that... 290 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,060 I wanted to go visit his grave 291 00:15:56,156 --> 00:15:58,056 because I needed that closure. 292 00:15:58,658 --> 00:16:00,128 I, I had... 293 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:18,849 I had some things on my heart 294 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:20,882 that I needed to say. 295 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:28,024 Mexico City has more than one cemetery, 296 00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:31,915 but I got my father's report of death 297 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:34,855 of an American citizen traveling abroad 298 00:16:35,695 --> 00:16:38,495 that listed his date of death 299 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:41,931 and where he was interred. 300 00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:46,005 as well as his cause of death. 301 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:49,339 My father drank himself to death 302 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:52,006 all alone in Mexico City. 303 00:16:52,712 --> 00:16:54,512 He drowned in his own vomit. 304 00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:04,691 When I first visited my father's gravesite 305 00:17:04,724 --> 00:17:07,364 in 2006... 306 00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:11,134 I remember the emotions that I had to deal with. 307 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,569 A lot of it was regret... 308 00:17:16,203 --> 00:17:19,413 and guilt because I hadn't done enough 309 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:22,639 soon enough to try to find him earlier. 310 00:17:22,742 --> 00:17:26,082 I would never have a chance to meet him 311 00:17:26,746 --> 00:17:29,046 and to let him see 312 00:17:29,082 --> 00:17:30,582 that I turned out okay. 313 00:17:32,085 --> 00:17:34,615 And I wonder, did he ever think about me? 314 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:37,564 Before he took his last breath, did he ever think about me? 315 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:38,930 Did I ever matter? 316 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:44,257 So not having those answers that I really wanted that closure... 317 00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:48,743 I guess it was just really sorrowful 318 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:50,438 that I would never get that. 319 00:18:15,262 --> 00:18:18,972 My father left a proven trail of destruction, 320 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:21,969 and I'm not the only victim. 321 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:24,639 There were victims before me, 322 00:18:25,172 --> 00:18:27,312 and there were victims after me. 323 00:18:30,009 --> 00:18:32,309 It just hard to imagine such... 324 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,217 such evil. 325 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:39,150 I think he did you 326 00:18:39,486 --> 00:18:41,016 a great favor 327 00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:43,161 by abandoning you. 328 00:18:44,191 --> 00:18:46,491 Truly you're lucky, in a way, 329 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:49,026 that he made the decision that he made. 330 00:18:51,331 --> 00:18:53,801 I was raised in a home 331 00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:57,503 where forgiveness was a daily part of life. 332 00:18:57,837 --> 00:19:00,237 and I've really struggled being raised 333 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:04,140 in the Christian home that I was raised in 334 00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:06,677 that taught and preached and lived 335 00:19:07,314 --> 00:19:08,754 and depicted forgiveness. 336 00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,648 Love and forgiveness. Love and forgiveness. 337 00:19:10,683 --> 00:19:12,653 You know, if you don't forgive... 338 00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:15,517 you're not hurting the person 339 00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:17,155 that you're holding that grudge against. 340 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:19,230 You're actually holding yourself prisoner. 341 00:19:21,328 --> 00:19:22,598 I forgive him. 342 00:19:22,862 --> 00:19:24,202 I forgive him. 343 00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,701 I hoped that I'd have the chance to bring you here. 344 00:19:31,871 --> 00:19:34,511 Because I wanted you to see that... 345 00:19:36,543 --> 00:19:39,713 ...the love of the Stewarts in God's plan for my life 346 00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,706 didn't give you this as a legacy. 347 00:19:45,718 --> 00:19:47,248 And I wanted you to see it 348 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:50,717 knowing that I went there with my dad 349 00:19:51,558 --> 00:19:54,228 and help my dad make peace and say goodbye... 350 00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:57,796 because I'm not coming back. 351 00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,793 In 2014, 352 00:20:22,822 --> 00:20:25,762 I hadn't seen Gary in a while, 353 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,432 and so I proposed that we got together for lunch. 354 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,429 For two and a half hours, 355 00:20:32,465 --> 00:20:36,395 we had an amazingly wonderful time. 356 00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:38,436 We talked about everything. 357 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,335 And then we went our separate ways 358 00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:43,681 and it was shortly after that 359 00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,646 that I found out about the book. 360 00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:48,818 The book is called The Most Dangerous Animal Of All: 361 00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:50,648 Searching For My Father... 362 00:20:50,683 --> 00:20:53,193 In May of 2014, 363 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,756 The Most Dangerous Animal Of All was published. 364 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:00,361 When you've lived 39 years, 365 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:02,430 all of a sudden your past comes back, 366 00:21:02,462 --> 00:21:04,862 and it comes back in a whirlwind. 367 00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:06,604 Until that book was published, 368 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:08,443 I didn't know it was being published. 369 00:21:08,468 --> 00:21:10,598 I found out because People magazine wanted 370 00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:11,697 to do an interview with me. 371 00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:16,713 They were doing a story about the book. 372 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:19,779 How could it happen that such an important thing 373 00:21:19,812 --> 00:21:22,622 didn't come up when we were together. 374 00:21:22,649 --> 00:21:23,819 I couldn't have been more surprised. 375 00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:29,322 Immediately, I got a text message from my mother. 376 00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:32,832 "Shocked, beyond belief." 377 00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:35,359 When I finished reading the book... 378 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,165 I said he thinks I've lied about everything. 379 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,339 I was... floored. 380 00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,642 More than 40 years later, 381 00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:50,184 the mystery has never been solved. 382 00:21:50,209 --> 00:21:51,809 Gary Stewart, author of the new memoir, 383 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:54,484 The Most Dangerous Animal Of All, 384 00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:57,484 says the serial killer is his father. 385 00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:59,187 It was unbelievable 386 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,318 that we were even able to get a book publisher 387 00:22:02,355 --> 00:22:04,655 like Harper Collins to publish this book 388 00:22:04,691 --> 00:22:06,761 because there has been so many books published. 389 00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:09,403 Everything that has been written about the Zodiac 390 00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:11,329 and here we come with a brand new theory. 391 00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:13,674 You think that the identity of the Zodiac Killer 392 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:14,870 will always remain a mystery? 393 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:16,701 Everything you know is wrong. 394 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:18,866 Joining me now is Gary L. Stewart. 395 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:20,835 Editors look at hundreds 396 00:22:20,873 --> 00:22:21,913 of proposals a year. 397 00:22:21,941 --> 00:22:24,841 Most of these proposals don't see the light of day 398 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,747 because they're not believable. 399 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:29,419 But with Gary's story, our question was, 400 00:22:29,449 --> 00:22:31,679 does he deserve to present his story 401 00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:34,218 and share what he believes based on this evidence? 402 00:22:34,421 --> 00:22:36,561 And the answer to that is one hundred percent yes. 403 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,858 The book comes out, gets a great press release 404 00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:43,033 in New York Magazine. 405 00:22:43,062 --> 00:22:45,402 This story was getting a lot of exposure. 406 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:50,235 There was enough attention 407 00:22:50,269 --> 00:22:53,769 for the book to become a New York Times bestseller. 408 00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:58,036 The response was by and large very supportive. 409 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:02,447 Um... all of the book reviews, all of the interviews... 410 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,320 saying, wow, this is the best suspect 411 00:23:11,424 --> 00:23:12,934 we've ever had in 50 years. 412 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,660 If this is true, does it make you wonder 413 00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:17,802 about who you are, what kind of person you are. 414 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:20,470 I try to disassociate myself 415 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,900 from the serial killer side of my father. 416 00:23:23,936 --> 00:23:27,466 People from around the globe were saying, I feel for the guy 417 00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:30,807 finding out his dad was this evil person, 418 00:23:30,843 --> 00:23:32,283 but we're glad he did. 419 00:23:32,311 --> 00:23:34,651 The families of the victims 420 00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:35,781 now have closure. 421 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,590 When my story came out, 422 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,789 I shared details 423 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,861 that were based on intimate conversations 424 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,486 between me and my mother. 425 00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:47,592 From that viewpoint, 426 00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:48,797 I betrayed her trust. 427 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:53,671 A lot of... 428 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,970 the speculation in the book was preposterous. 429 00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,712 I was so offended 430 00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:04,938 by the way Gary came to the conclusion 431 00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:07,107 that my husband, Rotea, 432 00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:10,046 must have interviewed Van 433 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:12,849 and that the San Francisco Police Department 434 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,655 were trying to cover up for Rotea. 435 00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:17,855 To this day, 436 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:19,530 I have not had that thought 437 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,859 that it would-- could be credible. 438 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:25,534 Here you have the first African-American officer 439 00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:26,995 promoted to inspector 440 00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:29,543 of the San Francisco Police Department. 441 00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:30,869 And then have this come out, 442 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,813 that Rotea Gilford may have actually interviewed 443 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,140 the guy who was the Zodiac suspect 444 00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:38,475 and didn't arrest him. 445 00:24:40,747 --> 00:24:42,677 That's a disgrace in itself. 446 00:24:44,651 --> 00:24:47,151 I was very shocked to learn that 447 00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:49,886 Gary was trying to make something 448 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,392 of the fact that 449 00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:54,994 Rotea was a police officer at the same time 450 00:24:55,027 --> 00:24:57,527 that the Zodiac murders were occurring. 451 00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:00,404 Because he became 452 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:04,397 a... a homicide inspector in 1971, 453 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,737 but that was a year after... 454 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:11,944 the Paul Stine murder happened in San Francisco, 455 00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:14,554 and it was not worked by Rotea. 456 00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:20,949 Rotea's Legacy was damaged 457 00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:23,463 by what Gary wrote about him. 458 00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:26,856 And this book is not just 459 00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:30,403 about her family but about his family as well. 460 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:33,627 And they're, they've all been deeply hurt by this. 461 00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:38,072 My mother didn't want this to be out there. 462 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,614 I remember one day getting an email 463 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,740 from my publicist at Harper Collins... 464 00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:47,447 saying, Gary, I'm so sorry, but... 465 00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:51,817 it looks like your mother has threatened to sue. 466 00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:54,591 Harper Collins if we didn't pull 467 00:25:54,621 --> 00:25:56,721 the book from the shelves. 468 00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:58,886 What I said to the publisher was 469 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:01,455 at what point do you change 470 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:04,932 true crime to fiction? 471 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:09,795 And Gary took that as a threat and he was furious. 472 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:15,781 The one figure that could support 473 00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:19,108 his premise on his father's... 474 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,980 background was his mother, 475 00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:25,145 and it was unattainable, 476 00:26:26,686 --> 00:26:31,186 and that brought forth this anger. 477 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:35,860 In one of these incidences, Jude received an email 478 00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:39,002 saying why Jude should believe it 479 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,971 and... be damned... 480 00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:44,939 damn you if you don't. 481 00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:46,941 When things aren't right 482 00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:49,113 with Gary and his mother, 483 00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:51,538 things aren't right in Gary's world. 484 00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:54,178 I think it's the whole abandonment issue, 485 00:26:54,513 --> 00:26:56,523 will come back to haunt him, 486 00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:59,888 and he responds in a destructive manner 487 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:01,219 toward her. 488 00:27:05,892 --> 00:27:09,302 I don't think I knew about the anger 489 00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,798 until he proposed the idea 490 00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:15,872 of being the son of the Zodiac. 491 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,808 I guess in a moment of hurt or anger, 492 00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:24,681 I may have fired off an email or a text 493 00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:28,552 but when your mother is going to leave you hanging, 494 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:29,850 leave you vulnerable, 495 00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:31,882 and, and publicly 496 00:27:31,918 --> 00:27:35,858 humiliate you or embarrass you, 497 00:27:35,888 --> 00:27:37,918 I don't want that out of a mother. 498 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:41,531 Gary and I have not seen each other 499 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,700 since the book was published, 500 00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:46,870 and, um, I told Gary that 501 00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:50,869 I am sorry that I ever started all of this. 502 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240 I felt like she'd abandoned me all over again. 503 00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:59,750 I don't need her. 504 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:02,719 You know, I lived 40 years without her. 505 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:06,923 And Kristy would always be my voice of reason saying, 506 00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:07,953 you need her. 507 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,920 And you love her, and she loves you. 508 00:28:10,957 --> 00:28:12,757 Somebody in this, 509 00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:14,892 in this relationship has to be the adult. 510 00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:25,912 There's a website called ZodiacKiller.com. 511 00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:30,708 A huge number of people speculate about the case 512 00:28:30,743 --> 00:28:32,883 and go over and over the clues. 513 00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:37,781 This case seemed to attract 514 00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,617 those who felt 515 00:28:39,651 --> 00:28:42,721 that they were the only ones that could solve this, 516 00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,815 and it becomes a parlor game. 517 00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:46,794 Okay, we're standing at the corner 518 00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:49,896 of Washington and Cherry Street in San Francisco, 519 00:28:49,929 --> 00:28:51,399 and it is at this very intersection 520 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:54,730 where the Zodiac shot Paul Stine in his cab. 521 00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:58,811 It's competition among amateur sleuths 522 00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:00,008 or "Zodiologists." 523 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:05,849 After Gary Stewart's book was published, 524 00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:09,845 he became the subject of a lot of criticism online. 525 00:29:09,949 --> 00:29:12,749 Many people did not accept his suspect. 526 00:29:12,785 --> 00:29:15,315 And he was all over the media and talk shows, 527 00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:17,024 and I think a lot of people in the Zodiac 528 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:18,833 online community resented that. 529 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,430 But there are also people who had legitimate complaints. 530 00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,933 You can read Gary's book over and over again, 531 00:29:26,966 --> 00:29:30,096 and you won't find anything remotely resembling evidence 532 00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,636 to implicate his father in the Zodiac crimes. 533 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,380 The forums online just really started 534 00:29:37,476 --> 00:29:38,946 nailing us a new ass... 535 00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:45,684 saying that we had no evidence, it was all circumstantial. 536 00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,187 Ask any prosecutor about circumstantial. 537 00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:49,820 You know the only 538 00:29:49,856 --> 00:29:52,386 non-circumstantial evidence there is 539 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,831 is eyewitness testimony. 540 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,834 Everything else, including DNA, is circumstantial. 541 00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:01,968 They believe fervently 542 00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:04,041 in their particular theory of the crime. 543 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:06,410 If you subscribe to their belief, 544 00:30:06,505 --> 00:30:08,975 you are welcomed with open arms. 545 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:12,138 But if you for one moment disagree 546 00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:14,808 with their theory of the crime or find fault with it, 547 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:17,717 you're subject to all the furies 548 00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:21,349 of someone who is outside their church. 549 00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:23,917 I warned Gary, don't interact with them, 550 00:30:24,023 --> 00:30:25,933 don't communicate with them. 551 00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:29,055 But he is very sensitive. 552 00:30:29,095 --> 00:30:31,255 Someone attacked my credibility, 553 00:30:31,363 --> 00:30:33,103 so I joined the forum. 554 00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:35,772 I should have never gotten involved. 555 00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:36,898 I should have left it alone. 556 00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,177 The fact that they had never heard 557 00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:53,016 of Earl Van Best Jr. ever before 558 00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,352 I think was kinda humiliating for them. 559 00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:20,945 I know the motivation of that community 560 00:31:21,547 --> 00:31:23,777 They all have done years and years of research 561 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:26,315 as to why their guy might be the Zodiac Killer. 562 00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:29,819 There are people trying to push 563 00:31:29,922 --> 00:31:31,392 Richard Gaikowski, 564 00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:33,063 Arthur Leigh Allen, 565 00:31:33,092 --> 00:31:34,332 and Ted Kaczynski, 566 00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,003 but none of the other suspects 567 00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:40,899 can be included because of handwriting 568 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,473 and fingerprints 569 00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:46,011 and... no name in the cipher. 570 00:31:48,307 --> 00:31:51,137 Gary's claims about the Zodiac ciphers 571 00:31:51,177 --> 00:31:54,147 are one of the more troublesome aspects of his case. 572 00:31:56,182 --> 00:31:59,922 I build cryptology software for the FBI 573 00:31:59,952 --> 00:32:01,952 and as we got into the details 574 00:32:01,988 --> 00:32:04,358 of the evidence that supposedly links his father 575 00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:05,856 to the killer, 576 00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:07,988 the evidence wasn't standing up to scrutiny. 577 00:32:09,495 --> 00:32:11,425 Here we have the second cipher, 578 00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,863 the 340 Cipher. 579 00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:15,929 I've highlighted where he found his father's name. 580 00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,495 What he did was he went column by column, 581 00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:20,007 starting all the way on the right. 582 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:21,439 He found this symbol. 583 00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:23,113 It's not quite an "E," 584 00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:25,382 but he's using it as a letter E. 585 00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:27,507 Similarly, this second column from the right 586 00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:29,216 is kind of shaped like the letter A, 587 00:32:29,315 --> 00:32:31,545 so his takes it to stand for the letter A. 588 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:32,990 And here you can see what the symbols 589 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:34,049 look like all together. 590 00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:36,123 Earl Van Best Junior. 591 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:38,985 Seems compelling because the entire name seems to fit. 592 00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:40,985 But there's a problem with this approach. 593 00:32:41,227 --> 00:32:43,897 What he's doing is taking some liberties, 594 00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:45,856 for instance interpreting the circle 595 00:32:45,897 --> 00:32:47,967 to be the letter E. 596 00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:49,497 By taking these liberties, 597 00:32:49,535 --> 00:32:51,565 it increases the chances of finding a name. 598 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,244 There's 20 symbols in each column, 599 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,980 and the symbols can be interpreted in different ways. 600 00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:59,209 Earl Van Best Junior is only one 601 00:32:59,245 --> 00:33:01,305 out of a hundred thousand names 602 00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:03,517 that can be found using this method. 603 00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:07,515 If there are thousands of other names 604 00:33:07,553 --> 00:33:09,193 that can also be found this way 605 00:33:09,221 --> 00:33:11,391 how do you know for sure that the name you found 606 00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:12,893 was put there on purpose 607 00:33:12,924 --> 00:33:14,494 by the person who made the cipher. 608 00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,925 I am not a cipher expert, 609 00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:20,928 but I don't believe 610 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,343 thousands of names can be found 611 00:33:23,369 --> 00:33:25,599 using all 17 columns. 612 00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:39,521 The Zodiac community then tried to discredit 613 00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:41,421 my fingerprint evidence. 614 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,023 Okay, what about the other suspects? 615 00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:47,286 Do any of them have a scar on their right index finger? 616 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,034 Shoot that one down. 617 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:53,530 I'm an expert in fingerprints, 618 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,195 and I work on private cases 619 00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:58,044 and get involved in forensic matters. 620 00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,540 The subject that the white line is being compared against 621 00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:04,409 has a scar on his right index finger, 622 00:34:04,976 --> 00:34:07,546 but the original blood print from the Zodiac 623 00:34:07,579 --> 00:34:09,649 is either the left index finger 624 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:11,548 or it's the right ring finger. 625 00:34:12,118 --> 00:34:14,448 The only way if it could be the right index is 626 00:34:14,486 --> 00:34:17,056 if the images were reversed. 627 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:20,659 But there is no reason that you would reverse those images. 628 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:23,429 So if being compared to the wrong finger 629 00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:27,627 and the scar, it's insignificant, 630 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:29,236 considering that most people 631 00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:30,938 actually have scars on their fingers 632 00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:33,609 and the right index finger being the most common finger. 633 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:37,243 One thing that we have to also recognize is 634 00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:39,076 in order to be able to compare fingerprints, 635 00:34:39,111 --> 00:34:41,681 you have to have high resolution images. 636 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:44,650 These images do not have a sufficient resolution. 637 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,093 I'm not sure really what could be said 638 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,519 about these fingerprints other than that they are 639 00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:51,091 generally fingerprints. 640 00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:55,662 There are people who only want 641 00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,434 that one piece of information that will embarrass me. 642 00:34:58,464 --> 00:35:00,374 He was wrong all along, and it's, you know, 643 00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,296 probably still one of our other guys. 644 00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:06,365 But we have more evidence now 645 00:35:06,472 --> 00:35:08,642 than we had when we released the book. 646 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:20,990 Tonight, we return to one of the most enduring 647 00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:23,619 and chilling mysteries of the last 25 years. 648 00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:25,615 The unsolved case of the serial killer 649 00:35:25,657 --> 00:35:27,987 who called himself Zodiac. 650 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,656 I saw a documentary done by ABC Primetime Live 651 00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,367 that aired in 2002, 2003. 652 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:38,343 ABC partnered with the San Francisco Police Department, 653 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:39,710 the San Francisco Crime Lab 654 00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:42,468 to try to extract genetic material 655 00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:44,478 from some of the Zodiac letters. 656 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:46,410 Dr. Holt has already detected 657 00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:49,352 the possible presence of Zodiac's DNA. 658 00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:50,651 in the seal of the envelope 659 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,482 that contained the greeting card. 660 00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:54,588 But what we know from Zodiac's postings 661 00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,486 is that he often over-posted 662 00:35:57,523 --> 00:36:00,593 and the mouth is actually a very, very rich area 663 00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:02,832 for DNA, donation, 664 00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:04,561 as they say in the crime lab. 665 00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:08,726 And so I submitted these envelopes to our lab 666 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,437 to determine if there was any DNA evident. 667 00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:14,567 I found a partial DNA fingerprint 668 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,506 from a male individual... 669 00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:18,542 Our lab was able to develop 670 00:36:18,577 --> 00:36:20,847 a DNA profile from the envelopes 671 00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:24,419 and that there were sufficient points of reference 672 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:28,050 that might be able to help, solve the case. 673 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:30,256 You're looking at the Zodiac Killer's 674 00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:32,359 genetic identity... 675 00:36:32,391 --> 00:36:36,361 That effort generated a partial genetic profile 676 00:36:36,395 --> 00:36:37,695 of the Zodiac Killer. 677 00:36:38,597 --> 00:36:40,697 They were able to extract 678 00:36:40,732 --> 00:36:45,802 five of the sixteen genetic markers, 679 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,714 including the gender marker. 680 00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:53,751 Every person has two sets of genetic markers. 681 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,209 One is from their mother, 682 00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,578 and one is from their father. 683 00:36:58,384 --> 00:37:04,094 And I had already had my mother and my DNA tested 684 00:37:04,623 --> 00:37:08,133 to extract what my father's genetic profile would look like. 685 00:37:09,428 --> 00:37:12,098 And that old Primetime documentary 686 00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:15,230 actually showed a blurred image 687 00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:18,737 of those five genetic markers. 688 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:21,310 But it was a very poor job of blurring, 689 00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:23,280 so if you're really careful 690 00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:24,779 and stop it at the right moment, 691 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:26,780 you can actually see what those values are. 692 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:31,776 From that, I extracted the five markers 693 00:37:31,817 --> 00:37:33,317 that the San Francisco Police Department have 694 00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:35,752 on file for the Zodiac Killer. 695 00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:36,757 Gary did this first, 696 00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:39,428 and he wrote down what he thought they were. 697 00:37:39,458 --> 00:37:40,688 And then he called me up and he said, 698 00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,132 "Susan, I want you to come over and watch this." 699 00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,771 The genetic profile from the Zodiac Killer 700 00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:49,668 are these five markers. 701 00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:50,941 Then he said, "Susan, I want you to write down 702 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:52,439 what you think it is." 703 00:37:52,471 --> 00:37:54,441 And we came up, independent of each other, 704 00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:55,943 exactly the same thing. 705 00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:58,884 VWA as a 17 and an 18. 706 00:37:58,977 --> 00:38:01,607 So I contacted George Schiro 707 00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:03,717 with Scales Biological Lab in Mississippi 708 00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:06,145 and asked him to run a paternity index. 709 00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:11,385 That would tell us the odds of the Zodiac 710 00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:13,490 being Gary's father. 711 00:38:15,361 --> 00:38:17,631 Susan asked us to see if we could take 712 00:38:17,663 --> 00:38:20,533 the paternal markers of Gary Stewart 713 00:38:20,566 --> 00:38:22,796 and compare those to five markers 714 00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:24,644 that were present on that TV show 715 00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:26,200 as being from the Zodiac. 716 00:38:27,373 --> 00:38:30,843 D8 is the, the rare allele. 717 00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:32,476 One of the markers that we looked at 718 00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:33,811 that Mr. Stewart has... 719 00:38:33,845 --> 00:38:37,175 8S1179, marker 11, 720 00:38:37,215 --> 00:38:39,685 ...that is found in about six percent 721 00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:41,818 of the Caucasian population, 722 00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:43,723 therefore making it fairly rare. 723 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,400 And we found that the DNA profile 724 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:52,830 that was found on the stamps 725 00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,374 could not be excluded 726 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,370 as a potential biological father 727 00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:58,672 of Gary Stewart. 728 00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:01,414 If the numbers Mr. Stewart provided are correct, 729 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,240 there's a 97 to 99.8 percent probability 730 00:39:06,277 --> 00:39:08,847 that these markers originated from the Zodiac. 731 00:39:10,616 --> 00:39:12,346 This would be a very significant find 732 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:13,854 in the investigation. 733 00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:16,585 The Zodiac may be Mr. Stewart's father. 734 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,226 And we analyze it and it matched. 735 00:39:20,258 --> 00:39:21,758 But, I mean, just this is news. 736 00:39:23,929 --> 00:39:27,629 99.8 percent certain 737 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:29,773 that my father was the Zodiac Killer. 738 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:32,301 Do I just knock, or what? What do you think? 739 00:40:33,965 --> 00:40:35,965 I feel like they're not ever gonna... 740 00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:39,936 Why are you wearing your sunglasses inside? 741 00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,541 Bro, you know I gotta drip, bro. We're goin' to the studio right now. 742 00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,205 Snack Time. I didn't-- 743 00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,680 Okay. You're welcome. 744 00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,184 I feel like that did nothing for my career. 745 00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:52,546 * Hi, I'm Dave * 746 00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:01,358 - Mom. - Yes? 747 00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:03,802 - Okay. I want a big party this year. - Serious? 748 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:06,029 - I want a quinceaƱera. - QuinceaƱera? 749 00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:09,404 We can't do that. We're too white for that. We're not allowed. 750 00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:21,847 Do me a favor? Never look me in the eye again. 751 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,850 Okay? 'Cause your stare is way too intense. 752 00:41:24,883 --> 00:41:26,693 It's starting to make my hair fall out. 753 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,270 Check! 754 00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:45,770 Check. 56039

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