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The problem with the people
that run tech companies
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is that they become fanatics,
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end up thinking
they're messiahs.
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The most wanted man
in San Francisco
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calls himself
the Zodiac Killer.
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The desire to know
who my father was
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overcame me.
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My sole intent
and my sole purpose
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was to find this man.
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With Gary, things
began to get tense
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simply because he believes it
very strongly.
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When I got Susan to
help me write the book,
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she went a whole lot deeper
than I ever dreamed of.
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This is the Zodiac speaking,
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and this cipher
is my identity.
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When I looked at it,
I immediately saw
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my father's name,
Earl Van Best Jr.
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spelled out completely.
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I contacted a forensic
handwriting expert.
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There's a strong probability
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that Earl Van Best Jr. wrote
the Zodiac letters.
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That's when I became convinced
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that my father was
the Zodiac Killer.
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In 2004,
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although the case was
considered closed and inactive,
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if anybody had
a credible lead,
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they should contact this guy
named Lieutenant John Hennessey
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in the San Francisco
Police Department.
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So I called him and when
he answered the phone,
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I said, "Lieutenant Hennessey,
my name is Gary Stewart
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"and I have a story.
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"My mother was once married
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"to Rotea Gilford.
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"I have been looking
for my father
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"with a little help
from Sergeant Butler,
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"and I have come
to the conclusion
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that I believe
my father might have been
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the Zodiac Killer.
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Right after that,
Hennessey went
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to Harold Butler's office,
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and he asked to see
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my father's file.
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And Hennessey told me,
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"Gary, your father's file
was sitting
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on Butler's desk."
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But Harold Butler refused
to let Hennessey
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see what was in that file.
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I said, "I have a question.
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Has the Zodiac case
been solved?"
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And he just chuckled
and he said...
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"I wish it were solved."
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Arthur Leigh Allen was
the prime suspect
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in the Zodiac case,
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but he's denied
to the day he died
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being the Zodiac Killer.
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And one statement
he made was that,
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"You guys have it all wrong.
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"I know who
the Zodiac Killer is.
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He's a crazy man I met
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in Atascadero State Hospital."
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So when I went
to the SFPD
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without knowing anything
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about what my father's
record looked like
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I told
Lieutenant John Hennessey
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my assumption was that
one of the things listed
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on my father's rap sheet
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would be that my father
would have been confined
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in Atascadero.
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So I told
Lieutenant John Hennessey
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I bet you
you're gonna find
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that my father
was institutionalized
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in Atascadero.
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And that's
the first thing he saw
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on my father's rap sheet.
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Lieutenant Hennessey asked
if he could gather
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a voluntary sample
of my DNA.
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So he swabbed me.
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Hennessey told me that
they had a partial profile
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of the Zodiac's DNA
from a stamp.
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And so that's what
they were gonna compare
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my DNA to.
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And I know that if this case
was gonna be solved,
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it was gonna be solved
because of DNA.
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In San Francisco,
two more communications
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have been received
from the Zodiac.
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Schoolchildren...
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make fine targets.
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I think I shall wipe out
a school bus some morning.
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Just shoot out the front tire
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and then pick off the kiddies
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as they come
bouncing out.
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That was the threat
of the Zodiac Killer.
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The psychotic killer
has already murdered five.
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We change our route
practically every day,
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and the police has been
riding either ahead
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or behind and watching.
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The Zodiac was a rare killer
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that was gonna play
the press
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for his own ego.
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saying that he couldn't wait
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to shoot small children
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coming off a bus.
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You can imagine the shivers
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that sent up the spine
of every mother
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in San Francisco.
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The school bus was a clear
reference to my mother
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because my father
met my mother
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when she came bouncing off
of a school bus.
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This morning,
the people of San Francisco
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heard a man
who claimed to be Zodiac
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talking on the air
with attorney Melvin Belli.
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If it all boils down
to the question
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of your giving yourself up
if you could be assured
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that you wouldn't get
capital punishment,
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- for myself--
No, I don't
want to give myself up.
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I wanna kill those kids.
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Whether that's Zodiac or not,
I don't know,
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but this man was
a sick man.
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So now all we can do is wait.
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Wait until the next time
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when the Zodiac Killer
calls again.
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What are you doing
to protect the school buses,
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particularly in San Francisco?
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In San Francisco, we have been,
since the first day
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since the reception
of this note,
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and up to now and continuing,
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we have a number
of plain clothes officers
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following buses
in the morning
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and in the evening.
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This is the Zodiac speaking.
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If you cops think I'm going
to take on a bus
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the way I stated I was,
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you deserve to have holes
in your heads.
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The death machine
is already made.
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Take one bag
of ammonium nitrate fertilizer
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and one gallon of stove oil
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and dump a few bags
of gravel on top...
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and then set the shit off.
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The map coupled
with this code
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will tell you where
the bomb is set.
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You have until next fall
to dig it up.
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ZODIAC,
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a symbol that
now stands for terror
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in San Francisco.
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On the cover, it says,
"I hope you enjoy yourselves
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"when I have my blast.
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P.S. read the back."
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On the back, it says,
"If you don't want me
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"to have this blast,
you must do two things.
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"Tell everyone
about the bus bomb
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with all the details."
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I saw the Zodiac as a kind
of prototypical terrorist.
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He was holding
the whole populace hostage
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and doing so
by blackmailing the press
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to publish his letters.
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At one point, he began
to insist that
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the citizens of San Francisco
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should wear Zodiac buttons.
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And he was insisting that
the San Francisco Chronicle
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promote that idea.
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So talk about ego.
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In his letters,
the Zodiac was wanting
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to be seen as having
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this level of intelligence
and sophistication and so on.
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He makes reference
to The Mikado
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by Gilbert and Sullivan.
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He writes one long letter
as kind of a parody
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of The Mikado.
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* As some day it may happen
that a victim must be found *
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* I've got a little list
I've got a little list *
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* Of society offenders
who might well be underground *
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* Who never would be missed,
who never would be missed *
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As I research my father's life,
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I discover that
as a young boy
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my father learned
The Mikado
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when he and his parents
were missionaries in Japan.
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They attended plays,
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and they would send
playbills back
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to the family
in South Carolina.
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One of my father's cousins
said that
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one of the playbills
that they remember seeing
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was from The Mikado.
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I also got verification from
his friend William Lohmus
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that they listened
to The Mikado
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at my father's home.
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My father knew the words,
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by heart
and would sing the songs.
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He was obsessed
with The Mikado.
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A few months
after The Mikado letter,
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the Zodiac sent
a Halloween card
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to Paul Avery
who was a reporter
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for the San Francisco Chronicle
covering the Zodiac case.
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I put no credence in this.
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I think he just wanted to get
himself a little publicity.
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I think that the Zodiac
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is just making
an idle threat, frankly.
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When Paul got
this Halloween card,
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it was the first time
the zodiac had ever
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actually threatened
a specific person.
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So this is
the Halloween card
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sent to Paul Avery.
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"From your secret pal."
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He was clearly indicating
to Paul Avery
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that they knew
each other.
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They had met before.
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Back in 1962,
after Van was arrested,
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Paul Avery went
to visit him in prison,
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and a story was published
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dubbing Judy
and Van's romance
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as the "Ice Cream Romance."
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In this story,
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Paul Avery was not
very complimentary.
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He described him
as balding,
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bespectacled,
and a pedophile.
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My father held a grudge
for all those years,
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and Paul Avery would have
had no way of knowing
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that this was
Earl Van Best Jr.,
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the guy who he humiliated
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just seven years before.
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Soon after he received
the Halloween card,
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Paul Avery received
an anonymous letter
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that linked
a four-year-old murder
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in Riverside, California
to the Zodiac Killer.
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I received a letter
pointing out the similarities
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so I contacted
the Riverside Police.
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They sent me a letter
that had been received
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six months after
the Riverside girl
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had been killed.
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And so this might be
of interest to you,
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it's signed with a Z.
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On October 30, 1966,
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the Zodiac killed
Cheri Jo Bates
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outside of
the Riverside Library.
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He stabbed her 47 times.
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I don't believe that
he committed that murder.
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We know that he killed
five people.
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As if to boost
his reputation,
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he began to claim
other murders
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that he actually
didn't commit.
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So the question comes up,
why did he stop
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committing more murders?
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As time went on,
it almost seemed like
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the letters were being written
by a totally different person.
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So I suspect that
he suffered from
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multiple personality disorder.
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One of the later letters
has a feeling of,
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help, stop me
before I kill again.
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We have this picture
of a divided self
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that is able
to kind of be aware
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that there are
two parts going on.
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There is a conflict
going on inside.
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But people tend to age
out of that problem.
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So my hypothesis is
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that his Zodiac personality
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was deteriorating.
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There was a three-year period
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in which we heard
nothing from him.
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He may have been in prison.
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He may have been
in a mental hospital
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or this more
helpful personality
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may have been in control
during that period.
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During the final years
of the Zodiac,
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my father's whereabouts
are unknown,
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but I uncovered
his FBI file
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and he resurfaced in 1975,
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a year after the last known
Zodiac letter was sent.
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In that file, I found out
that my father
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called up the FBI
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to report that he knew
of an assassination attempt
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on Gerald Ford's life.
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Well, the FBI called
the local SFPD
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and says this call is coming
from a pay phone
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right there
at 100 Embarcadero.
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And so the SFPD show up
and arrest him
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on a drunk tank charge.
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In the late 1970s,
my father was arrested
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two more times
for drunk driving charges
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and after that,
he disappeared again.
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But I found a friend
of my grandfather
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who told me what had happened
to my father.
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It was in a letter
from him where he said,
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I'm sorry to have
to inform you
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that your father...
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is deceased.
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He died in 1984,
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and he's buried
in an unmarked grave
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in Mexico City.
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I had spent so many years
trying to find my father
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and hoping
to find him alive that...
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I wanted to go visit
his grave
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because I needed
that closure.
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I, I had...
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I had some things
on my heart
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that I needed to say.
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Mexico City has more
than one cemetery,
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but I got my father's
report of death
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of an American citizen
traveling abroad
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that listed his date of death
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and where he was interred.
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as well as his cause
of death.
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My father drank
himself to death
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00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:52,006
all alone
in Mexico City.
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He drowned
in his own vomit.
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When I first visited
my father's gravesite
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in 2006...
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I remember the emotions
that I had to deal with.
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A lot of it was regret...
308
00:17:16,203 --> 00:17:19,413
and guilt because
I hadn't done enough
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soon enough to try
to find him earlier.
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I would never have
a chance to meet him
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and to let him see
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that I turned out okay.
313
00:17:32,085 --> 00:17:34,615
And I wonder,
did he ever think about me?
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Before he took his last breath,
did he ever think about me?
315
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:38,930
Did I ever matter?
316
00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:44,257
So not having those answers
that I really wanted
that closure...
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00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:48,743
I guess it was just
really sorrowful
318
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that I would never get that.
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My father left a proven trail
of destruction,
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00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:21,969
and I'm not
the only victim.
321
00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:24,639
There were victims
before me,
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00:18:25,172 --> 00:18:27,312
and there were victims
after me.
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It just hard
to imagine such...
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00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,217
such evil.
325
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I think he did you
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a great favor
327
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by abandoning you.
328
00:18:44,191 --> 00:18:46,491
Truly you're lucky,
in a way,
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00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:49,026
that he made the decision
that he made.
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I was raised
in a home
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where forgiveness was
a daily part of life.
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and I've really struggled
being raised
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in the Christian home
that I was raised in
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00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:06,677
that taught
and preached and lived
335
00:19:07,314 --> 00:19:08,754
and depicted forgiveness.
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00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,648
Love and forgiveness.
Love and forgiveness.
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00:19:10,683 --> 00:19:12,653
You know,
if you don't forgive...
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00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:15,517
you're not hurting
the person
339
00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:17,155
that you're holding
that grudge against.
340
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:19,230
You're actually holding
yourself prisoner.
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I forgive him.
342
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I forgive him.
343
00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,701
I hoped that I'd have
the chance to bring you here.
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00:19:31,871 --> 00:19:34,511
Because I wanted you
to see that...
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00:19:36,543 --> 00:19:39,713
...the love of the Stewarts
in God's plan for my life
346
00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,706
didn't give you this
as a legacy.
347
00:19:45,718 --> 00:19:47,248
And I wanted you
to see it
348
00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:50,717
knowing that I went there
with my dad
349
00:19:51,558 --> 00:19:54,228
and help my dad make peace
and say goodbye...
350
00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:57,796
because I'm not
coming back.
351
00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,793
In 2014,
352
00:20:22,822 --> 00:20:25,762
I hadn't seen Gary
in a while,
353
00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,432
and so I proposed that
we got together for lunch.
354
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,429
For two and a half hours,
355
00:20:32,465 --> 00:20:36,395
we had an amazingly
wonderful time.
356
00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:38,436
We talked about everything.
357
00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,335
And then we went
our separate ways
358
00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:43,681
and it was shortly
after that
359
00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,646
that I found out
about the book.
360
00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:48,818
The book is called The Most
Dangerous Animal Of All:
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Searching For My Father...
362
00:20:50,683 --> 00:20:53,193
In May of 2014,
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00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,756
The Most Dangerous Animal
Of All was published.
364
00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:00,361
When you've lived
39 years,
365
00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:02,430
all of a sudden
your past comes back,
366
00:21:02,462 --> 00:21:04,862
and it comes back
in a whirlwind.
367
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:06,604
Until that book was published,
368
00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:08,443
I didn't know
it was being published.
369
00:21:08,468 --> 00:21:10,598
I found out because
People magazine wanted
370
00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:11,697
to do an interview
with me.
371
00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:16,713
They were doing a story
about the book.
372
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:19,779
How could it happen that
such an important thing
373
00:21:19,812 --> 00:21:22,622
didn't come up
when we were together.
374
00:21:22,649 --> 00:21:23,819
I couldn't have been
more surprised.
375
00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:29,322
Immediately, I got
a text message from my mother.
376
00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:32,832
"Shocked, beyond belief."
377
00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:35,359
When I finished reading
the book...
378
00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,165
I said he thinks I've lied
about everything.
379
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,339
I was... floored.
380
00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,642
More than 40 years later,
381
00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:50,184
the mystery has
never been solved.
382
00:21:50,209 --> 00:21:51,809
Gary Stewart,
author of the new memoir,
383
00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:54,484
The Most Dangerous Animal
Of All,
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00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:57,484
says the serial killer
is his father.
385
00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:59,187
It was unbelievable
386
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,318
that we were even able
to get a book publisher
387
00:22:02,355 --> 00:22:04,655
like Harper Collins
to publish this book
388
00:22:04,691 --> 00:22:06,761
because there has been
so many books published.
389
00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:09,403
Everything that has been
written about the Zodiac
390
00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:11,329
and here we come
with a brand new theory.
391
00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:13,674
You think that the identity
of the Zodiac Killer
392
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:14,870
will always remain
a mystery?
393
00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:16,701
Everything you know is wrong.
394
00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:18,866
Joining me now is
Gary L. Stewart.
395
00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:20,835
Editors look at hundreds
396
00:22:20,873 --> 00:22:21,913
of proposals a year.
397
00:22:21,941 --> 00:22:24,841
Most of these proposals
don't see the light of day
398
00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,747
because they're
not believable.
399
00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:29,419
But with Gary's story,
our question was,
400
00:22:29,449 --> 00:22:31,679
does he deserve
to present his story
401
00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:34,218
and share what he believes
based on this evidence?
402
00:22:34,421 --> 00:22:36,561
And the answer to that is
one hundred percent yes.
403
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,858
The book comes out,
gets a great press release
404
00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:43,033
in New York Magazine.
405
00:22:43,062 --> 00:22:45,402
This story was getting
a lot of exposure.
406
00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:50,235
There was enough attention
407
00:22:50,269 --> 00:22:53,769
for the book to become
a New York Times bestseller.
408
00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:58,036
The response was
by and large very supportive.
409
00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:02,447
Um... all of the book reviews,
all of the interviews...
410
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,320
saying, wow, this is
the best suspect
411
00:23:11,424 --> 00:23:12,934
we've ever had
in 50 years.
412
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,660
If this is true,
does it make you wonder
413
00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:17,802
about who you are,
what kind of person you are.
414
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:20,470
I try
to disassociate myself
415
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,900
from the serial killer side
of my father.
416
00:23:23,936 --> 00:23:27,466
People from around the globe
were saying, I feel for the guy
417
00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:30,807
finding out his dad
was this evil person,
418
00:23:30,843 --> 00:23:32,283
but we're glad he did.
419
00:23:32,311 --> 00:23:34,651
The families
of the victims
420
00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:35,781
now have closure.
421
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,590
When my story came out,
422
00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,789
I shared details
423
00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,861
that were based
on intimate conversations
424
00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,486
between me
and my mother.
425
00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:47,592
From that viewpoint,
426
00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:48,797
I betrayed her trust.
427
00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:53,671
A lot of...
428
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,970
the speculation in the book
was preposterous.
429
00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,712
I was so offended
430
00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:04,938
by the way Gary came
to the conclusion
431
00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:07,107
that my husband, Rotea,
432
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:10,046
must have interviewed Van
433
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:12,849
and that the San Francisco
Police Department
434
00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,655
were trying to cover up
for Rotea.
435
00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:17,855
To this day,
436
00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:19,530
I have not had
that thought
437
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,859
that it would--
could be credible.
438
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:25,534
Here you have the first
African-American officer
439
00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:26,995
promoted to inspector
440
00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:29,543
of the San Francisco
Police Department.
441
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:30,869
And then have this come out,
442
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,813
that Rotea Gilford may have
actually interviewed
443
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,140
the guy who was
the Zodiac suspect
444
00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:38,475
and didn't arrest him.
445
00:24:40,747 --> 00:24:42,677
That's a disgrace
in itself.
446
00:24:44,651 --> 00:24:47,151
I was very shocked
to learn that
447
00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:49,886
Gary was trying
to make something
448
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,392
of the fact that
449
00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:54,994
Rotea was a police officer
at the same time
450
00:24:55,027 --> 00:24:57,527
that the Zodiac murders
were occurring.
451
00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:00,404
Because he became
452
00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:04,397
a... a homicide inspector
in 1971,
453
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,737
but that was a year after...
454
00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:11,944
the Paul Stine murder
happened in San Francisco,
455
00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:14,554
and it was not worked
by Rotea.
456
00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:20,949
Rotea's Legacy was damaged
457
00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:23,463
by what Gary wrote
about him.
458
00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:26,856
And this book is not just
459
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:30,403
about her family but about
his family as well.
460
00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:33,627
And they're, they've all been
deeply hurt by this.
461
00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:38,072
My mother didn't
want this to be out there.
462
00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,614
I remember one day
getting an email
463
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,740
from my publicist
at Harper Collins...
464
00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:47,447
saying, Gary,
I'm so sorry, but...
465
00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:51,817
it looks like your mother
has threatened to sue.
466
00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:54,591
Harper Collins
if we didn't pull
467
00:25:54,621 --> 00:25:56,721
the book from the shelves.
468
00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:58,886
What I said
to the publisher was
469
00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:01,455
at what point do you change
470
00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:04,932
true crime to fiction?
471
00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:09,795
And Gary took that as a threat
and he was furious.
472
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:15,781
The one figure
that could support
473
00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:19,108
his premise
on his father's...
474
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,980
background was his mother,
475
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:25,145
and it was unattainable,
476
00:26:26,686 --> 00:26:31,186
and that brought forth
this anger.
477
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:35,860
In one of these incidences,
Jude received an email
478
00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:39,002
saying why Jude
should believe it
479
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,971
and... be damned...
480
00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:44,939
damn you if you don't.
481
00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:46,941
When things aren't right
482
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:49,113
with Gary and his mother,
483
00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:51,538
things aren't right
in Gary's world.
484
00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:54,178
I think it's the whole
abandonment issue,
485
00:26:54,513 --> 00:26:56,523
will come back
to haunt him,
486
00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:59,888
and he responds
in a destructive manner
487
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:01,219
toward her.
488
00:27:05,892 --> 00:27:09,302
I don't think
I knew about the anger
489
00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,798
until he proposed
the idea
490
00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:15,872
of being the son
of the Zodiac.
491
00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,808
I guess in a moment
of hurt or anger,
492
00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:24,681
I may have fired off
an email or a text
493
00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:28,552
but when your mother is going
to leave you hanging,
494
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:29,850
leave you vulnerable,
495
00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:31,882
and, and publicly
496
00:27:31,918 --> 00:27:35,858
humiliate you
or embarrass you,
497
00:27:35,888 --> 00:27:37,918
I don't want that
out of a mother.
498
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:41,531
Gary and I have not seen
each other
499
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,700
since the book
was published,
500
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:46,870
and, um, I told Gary that
501
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:50,869
I am sorry that
I ever started all of this.
502
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240
I felt like she'd
abandoned me all over again.
503
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:59,750
I don't need her.
504
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:02,719
You know, I lived
40 years without her.
505
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:06,923
And Kristy would always be
my voice of reason saying,
506
00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:07,953
you need her.
507
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,920
And you love her,
and she loves you.
508
00:28:10,957 --> 00:28:12,757
Somebody in this,
509
00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:14,892
in this relationship has
to be the adult.
510
00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:25,912
There's a website called
ZodiacKiller.com.
511
00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:30,708
A huge number of people
speculate about the case
512
00:28:30,743 --> 00:28:32,883
and go over
and over the clues.
513
00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:37,781
This case seemed to attract
514
00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,617
those who felt
515
00:28:39,651 --> 00:28:42,721
that they were the only ones
that could solve this,
516
00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,815
and it becomes
a parlor game.
517
00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:46,794
Okay, we're standing
at the corner
518
00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:49,896
of Washington and Cherry Street
in San Francisco,
519
00:28:49,929 --> 00:28:51,399
and it is at this
very intersection
520
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:54,730
where the Zodiac shot
Paul Stine in his cab.
521
00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:58,811
It's competition
among amateur sleuths
522
00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:00,008
or "Zodiologists."
523
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:05,849
After Gary Stewart's book
was published,
524
00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:09,845
he became the subject
of a lot of criticism online.
525
00:29:09,949 --> 00:29:12,749
Many people did not accept
his suspect.
526
00:29:12,785 --> 00:29:15,315
And he was all over
the media and talk shows,
527
00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:17,024
and I think a lot of people
in the Zodiac
528
00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:18,833
online community resented that.
529
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,430
But there are also people
who had legitimate complaints.
530
00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,933
You can read Gary's book
over and over again,
531
00:29:26,966 --> 00:29:30,096
and you won't find anything
remotely resembling evidence
532
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,636
to implicate his father
in the Zodiac crimes.
533
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,380
The forums online
just really started
534
00:29:37,476 --> 00:29:38,946
nailing us a new ass...
535
00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:45,684
saying that we had no evidence,
it was all circumstantial.
536
00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,187
Ask any prosecutor
about circumstantial.
537
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:49,820
You know the only
538
00:29:49,856 --> 00:29:52,386
non-circumstantial evidence
there is
539
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,831
is eyewitness testimony.
540
00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,834
Everything else, including DNA,
is circumstantial.
541
00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:01,968
They believe fervently
542
00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:04,041
in their particular theory
of the crime.
543
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:06,410
If you subscribe
to their belief,
544
00:30:06,505 --> 00:30:08,975
you are welcomed
with open arms.
545
00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:12,138
But if you for
one moment disagree
546
00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:14,808
with their theory of the crime
or find fault with it,
547
00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:17,717
you're subject
to all the furies
548
00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:21,349
of someone who is outside
their church.
549
00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:23,917
I warned Gary,
don't interact with them,
550
00:30:24,023 --> 00:30:25,933
don't communicate with them.
551
00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:29,055
But he is very sensitive.
552
00:30:29,095 --> 00:30:31,255
Someone attacked
my credibility,
553
00:30:31,363 --> 00:30:33,103
so I joined the forum.
554
00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:35,772
I should have never
gotten involved.
555
00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:36,898
I should have
left it alone.
556
00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,177
The fact that they
had never heard
557
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:53,016
of Earl Van Best Jr.
ever before
558
00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,352
I think was kinda
humiliating for them.
559
00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:20,945
I know the motivation
of that community
560
00:31:21,547 --> 00:31:23,777
They all have done years
and years of research
561
00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:26,315
as to why their guy
might be the Zodiac Killer.
562
00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:29,819
There are people
trying to push
563
00:31:29,922 --> 00:31:31,392
Richard Gaikowski,
564
00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:33,063
Arthur Leigh Allen,
565
00:31:33,092 --> 00:31:34,332
and Ted Kaczynski,
566
00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,003
but none
of the other suspects
567
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:40,899
can be included
because of handwriting
568
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,473
and fingerprints
569
00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:46,011
and... no name
in the cipher.
570
00:31:48,307 --> 00:31:51,137
Gary's claims
about the Zodiac ciphers
571
00:31:51,177 --> 00:31:54,147
are one of the more
troublesome aspects
of his case.
572
00:31:56,182 --> 00:31:59,922
I build cryptology
software for the FBI
573
00:31:59,952 --> 00:32:01,952
and as we got
into the details
574
00:32:01,988 --> 00:32:04,358
of the evidence that
supposedly links his father
575
00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:05,856
to the killer,
576
00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:07,988
the evidence wasn't
standing up to scrutiny.
577
00:32:09,495 --> 00:32:11,425
Here we have
the second cipher,
578
00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,863
the 340 Cipher.
579
00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:15,929
I've highlighted where he
found his father's name.
580
00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,495
What he did was he went
column by column,
581
00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:20,007
starting all the way
on the right.
582
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:21,439
He found this symbol.
583
00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:23,113
It's not quite an "E,"
584
00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:25,382
but he's using it
as a letter E.
585
00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:27,507
Similarly, this second column
from the right
586
00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:29,216
is kind of shaped
like the letter A,
587
00:32:29,315 --> 00:32:31,545
so his takes it to stand
for the letter A.
588
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:32,990
And here you can see
what the symbols
589
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:34,049
look like all together.
590
00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:36,123
Earl Van Best Junior.
591
00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:38,985
Seems compelling because
the entire name seems to fit.
592
00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:40,985
But there's a problem
with this approach.
593
00:32:41,227 --> 00:32:43,897
What he's doing
is taking some liberties,
594
00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:45,856
for instance
interpreting the circle
595
00:32:45,897 --> 00:32:47,967
to be the letter E.
596
00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:49,497
By taking these liberties,
597
00:32:49,535 --> 00:32:51,565
it increases the chances
of finding a name.
598
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,244
There's 20 symbols
in each column,
599
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,980
and the symbols can be
interpreted in different ways.
600
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:59,209
Earl Van Best Junior
is only one
601
00:32:59,245 --> 00:33:01,305
out of
a hundred thousand names
602
00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:03,517
that can be found
using this method.
603
00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:07,515
If there are thousands
of other names
604
00:33:07,553 --> 00:33:09,193
that can also be found
this way
605
00:33:09,221 --> 00:33:11,391
how do you know for sure
that the name you found
606
00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:12,893
was put there on purpose
607
00:33:12,924 --> 00:33:14,494
by the person
who made the cipher.
608
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,925
I am not a cipher expert,
609
00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:20,928
but I don't believe
610
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,343
thousands of names
can be found
611
00:33:23,369 --> 00:33:25,599
using all 17 columns.
612
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:39,521
The Zodiac community
then tried to discredit
613
00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:41,421
my fingerprint evidence.
614
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,023
Okay, what about
the other suspects?
615
00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:47,286
Do any of them have a scar
on their right index finger?
616
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,034
Shoot that one down.
617
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:53,530
I'm an expert in fingerprints,
618
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,195
and I work
on private cases
619
00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:58,044
and get involved
in forensic matters.
620
00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,540
The subject that the white line
is being compared against
621
00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:04,409
has a scar
on his right index finger,
622
00:34:04,976 --> 00:34:07,546
but the original blood print
from the Zodiac
623
00:34:07,579 --> 00:34:09,649
is either
the left index finger
624
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:11,548
or it's the right
ring finger.
625
00:34:12,118 --> 00:34:14,448
The only way if it could be
the right index is
626
00:34:14,486 --> 00:34:17,056
if the images were reversed.
627
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:20,659
But there is no reason that
you would reverse those images.
628
00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:23,429
So if being compared
to the wrong finger
629
00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:27,627
and the scar,
it's insignificant,
630
00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:29,236
considering that
most people
631
00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:30,938
actually have scars
on their fingers
632
00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:33,609
and the right index finger
being the most common finger.
633
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:37,243
One thing that we have
to also recognize is
634
00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:39,076
in order to be able
to compare fingerprints,
635
00:34:39,111 --> 00:34:41,681
you have to have
high resolution images.
636
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:44,650
These images do not have
a sufficient resolution.
637
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,093
I'm not sure really
what could be said
638
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,519
about these fingerprints
other than that they are
639
00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:51,091
generally fingerprints.
640
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:55,662
There are people
who only want
641
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,434
that one piece of information
that will embarrass me.
642
00:34:58,464 --> 00:35:00,374
He was wrong all along,
and it's, you know,
643
00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,296
probably still one of
our other guys.
644
00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:06,365
But we have
more evidence now
645
00:35:06,472 --> 00:35:08,642
than we had
when we released the book.
646
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:20,990
Tonight, we return to one
of the most enduring
647
00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:23,619
and chilling mysteries
of the last 25 years.
648
00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:25,615
The unsolved case
of the serial killer
649
00:35:25,657 --> 00:35:27,987
who called himself Zodiac.
650
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,656
I saw a documentary
done by ABC Primetime Live
651
00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,367
that aired in 2002, 2003.
652
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:38,343
ABC partnered with
the San Francisco
Police Department,
653
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:39,710
the San Francisco Crime Lab
654
00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:42,468
to try to extract
genetic material
655
00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:44,478
from some
of the Zodiac letters.
656
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:46,410
Dr. Holt has already detected
657
00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:49,352
the possible presence
of Zodiac's DNA.
658
00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:50,651
in the seal
of the envelope
659
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,482
that contained
the greeting card.
660
00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:54,588
But what we know
from Zodiac's postings
661
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,486
is that he often over-posted
662
00:35:57,523 --> 00:36:00,593
and the mouth is actually
a very, very rich area
663
00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:02,832
for DNA, donation,
664
00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:04,561
as they say
in the crime lab.
665
00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:08,726
And so I submitted
these envelopes to our lab
666
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,437
to determine if there was
any DNA evident.
667
00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:14,567
I found a partial
DNA fingerprint
668
00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,506
from a male individual...
669
00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:18,542
Our lab was able to develop
670
00:36:18,577 --> 00:36:20,847
a DNA profile
from the envelopes
671
00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:24,419
and that there were
sufficient points of reference
672
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:28,050
that might be able
to help, solve the case.
673
00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:30,256
You're looking
at the Zodiac Killer's
674
00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:32,359
genetic identity...
675
00:36:32,391 --> 00:36:36,361
That effort generated
a partial genetic profile
676
00:36:36,395 --> 00:36:37,695
of the Zodiac Killer.
677
00:36:38,597 --> 00:36:40,697
They were able to extract
678
00:36:40,732 --> 00:36:45,802
five of the sixteen
genetic markers,
679
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,714
including the gender marker.
680
00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:53,751
Every person has two sets
of genetic markers.
681
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,209
One is from their mother,
682
00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,578
and one is from their father.
683
00:36:58,384 --> 00:37:04,094
And I had already had
my mother and my DNA tested
684
00:37:04,623 --> 00:37:08,133
to extract what my father's
genetic profile would look like.
685
00:37:09,428 --> 00:37:12,098
And that old
Primetime documentary
686
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:15,230
actually showed
a blurred image
687
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:18,737
of those five genetic markers.
688
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:21,310
But it was a very poor job
of blurring,
689
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:23,280
so if you're really careful
690
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:24,779
and stop it
at the right moment,
691
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:26,780
you can actually see
what those values are.
692
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:31,776
From that, I extracted
the five markers
693
00:37:31,817 --> 00:37:33,317
that the San Francisco
Police Department have
694
00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:35,752
on file
for the Zodiac Killer.
695
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:36,757
Gary did this first,
696
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:39,428
and he wrote down
what he thought they were.
697
00:37:39,458 --> 00:37:40,688
And then he called me up
and he said,
698
00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,132
"Susan, I want you to come over
and watch this."
699
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,771
The genetic profile
from the Zodiac Killer
700
00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:49,668
are these five markers.
701
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:50,941
Then he said, "Susan,
I want you to write down
702
00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:52,439
what you think it is."
703
00:37:52,471 --> 00:37:54,441
And we came up,
independent of each other,
704
00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:55,943
exactly the same thing.
705
00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:58,884
VWA as a 17 and an 18.
706
00:37:58,977 --> 00:38:01,607
So I contacted George Schiro
707
00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:03,717
with Scales Biological Lab
in Mississippi
708
00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:06,145
and asked him to run
a paternity index.
709
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:11,385
That would tell us
the odds of the Zodiac
710
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:13,490
being Gary's father.
711
00:38:15,361 --> 00:38:17,631
Susan asked us
to see if we could take
712
00:38:17,663 --> 00:38:20,533
the paternal markers
of Gary Stewart
713
00:38:20,566 --> 00:38:22,796
and compare those
to five markers
714
00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:24,644
that were present
on that TV show
715
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:26,200
as being from the Zodiac.
716
00:38:27,373 --> 00:38:30,843
D8 is the,
the rare allele.
717
00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:32,476
One of the markers
that we looked at
718
00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:33,811
that Mr. Stewart has...
719
00:38:33,845 --> 00:38:37,175
8S1179, marker 11,
720
00:38:37,215 --> 00:38:39,685
...that is found
in about six percent
721
00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:41,818
of the Caucasian population,
722
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:43,723
therefore making it
fairly rare.
723
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,400
And we found
that the DNA profile
724
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:52,830
that was found on the stamps
725
00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,374
could not be excluded
726
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,370
as a potential
biological father
727
00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:58,672
of Gary Stewart.
728
00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:01,414
If the numbers Mr. Stewart
provided are correct,
729
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,240
there's a 97
to 99.8 percent probability
730
00:39:06,277 --> 00:39:08,847
that these markers
originated from the Zodiac.
731
00:39:10,616 --> 00:39:12,346
This would be
a very significant find
732
00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:13,854
in the investigation.
733
00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:16,585
The Zodiac may be
Mr. Stewart's father.
734
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,226
And we analyze it
and it matched.
735
00:39:20,258 --> 00:39:21,758
But, I mean,
just this is news.
736
00:39:23,929 --> 00:39:27,629
99.8 percent certain
737
00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:29,773
that my father
was the Zodiac Killer.
738
00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:32,301
Do I just knock, or what?
What do you think?
739
00:40:33,965 --> 00:40:35,965
I feel like
they're not ever gonna...
740
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:39,936
Why are you wearing
your sunglasses inside?
741
00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,541
Bro, you know I gotta drip, bro.
We're goin' to the studio
right now.
742
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,205
Snack Time. I didn't--
743
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,680
Okay. You're welcome.
744
00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,184
I feel like that did nothing
for my career.
745
00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:52,546
* Hi, I'm Dave *
746
00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:01,358
- Mom.
- Yes?
747
00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:03,802
- Okay. I want
a big party this year.
- Serious?
748
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:06,029
- I want a quinceaƱera.
- QuinceaƱera?
749
00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:09,404
We can't do that.
We're too white for that.
We're not allowed.
750
00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:21,847
Do me a favor?
Never look me in the eye again.
751
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,850
Okay? 'Cause your stare
is way too intense.
752
00:41:24,883 --> 00:41:26,693
It's starting to make
my hair fall out.
753
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,270
Check!
754
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:45,770
Check.
56039
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