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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:00,351 --> 00:01:01,853 [instrumental music playing] 2 00:01:15,033 --> 00:01:18,369 Remain seated and come to order, court will begin in session. 3 00:01:28,129 --> 00:01:29,631 [man] In today's hearing, the government 4 00:01:29,714 --> 00:01:33,092 is not dealing with the standard playground pusher. 5 00:01:33,718 --> 00:01:37,388 These men represent a new form of organized crime, 6 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,099 totally different from our previous notions. 7 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:45,188 Tim Scully was not part of the psychedelic scene. 8 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:48,358 He was the psychedelic scene. 9 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:53,238 [Scully] I wasn't interested in personally making money. 10 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,657 I thought that what we were doing 11 00:01:55,740 --> 00:01:59,077 was really important, trying to change the consciousness 12 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,870 of the world in a positive way. 13 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:10,713 [man] But we all know who is number one in this case. 14 00:02:11,047 --> 00:02:13,049 It is Nicholas Sand. 15 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:19,305 [Nicholas] I was considered some kind of mad man, 16 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:20,682 psychedelic commando. 17 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:24,018 Because I'd go anywhere, do anything for psychedelics. 18 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:31,484 [man] We are talking now about people responsible for producing 19 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,571 millions of doses of hallucinogenic drugs. 20 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:36,156 And they are proud of it. 21 00:02:38,658 --> 00:02:40,368 [Nicholas] If we could turn on everyone in the world, 22 00:02:40,952 --> 00:02:44,831 then maybe we'd have a new world of peace and love. 23 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:48,585 [man] Call it whatever you want to call it. 24 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,298 They all ended up in one thing, the degradation of mankind. 25 00:02:54,132 --> 00:02:57,010 The degradation of society. 26 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:03,266 [Nicholas] We had the same desire to risk our freedom, 27 00:03:04,225 --> 00:03:06,769 and be what we thought were American patriots. 28 00:03:33,546 --> 00:03:34,422 Hey, partner. 29 00:03:38,009 --> 00:03:39,260 Good to see you, man. 30 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,262 -Too long, eh? -Yeah. 31 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:43,890 I think we're supposed to go in. 32 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:45,099 I think so. 33 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:47,977 Nice Panama hat. 34 00:03:48,478 --> 00:03:49,979 It's getting a little worn around the edges, 35 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:51,314 just like the rest of us. 36 00:03:52,315 --> 00:03:53,942 -Great seeing you, man. -Yeah. 37 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:55,693 Hey, you look good. 38 00:03:56,402 --> 00:03:57,487 You look great, man. 39 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:01,282 [Scully] I didn't know Nick Sand when I first took acid. 40 00:04:02,575 --> 00:04:03,910 Totally losing that hair. 41 00:04:06,496 --> 00:04:08,373 [Scully] It was early 1965, 42 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:10,875 and it wasn't that easy to find yet. 43 00:04:15,588 --> 00:04:19,342 [music playing] 44 00:04:19,717 --> 00:04:23,388 I found a fellow in San Francisco who had some. 45 00:04:25,223 --> 00:04:26,641 We built a fire in the fire place, 46 00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:29,060 and took it in the evening. 47 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:32,981 [Nicholas] I was kind of a wild kid. 48 00:04:33,064 --> 00:04:35,024 I grew up on the streets of New York. 49 00:04:35,358 --> 00:04:39,988 My first experience with taking acid changed everything. 50 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:47,912 I had very good friends who were a couple. 51 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:54,794 We went up to their lake house retreat in Mahopac, New York. 52 00:04:57,630 --> 00:05:02,593 As the sun went down, we took our capsules of LSD. 53 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:11,519 [Scully] I was nervous when I first swallowed the acid. 54 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:15,898 I knew that the experience could be very terrifying. 55 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:19,360 Ordinary things could become very ominous and scary. 56 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:22,905 But I knew also that it could be transcendent. 57 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,327 And of course I was hoping for transcendence. 58 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:36,627 [Nicholas] I sat in front of the fire, 59 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:39,047 with nude in the lotus position. 60 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:41,549 I just wanted to be naked. 61 00:05:41,632 --> 00:05:43,634 I didn't want to be encumbered by clothing. 62 00:05:46,846 --> 00:05:48,431 [Scully] Everything that I looked at, 63 00:05:49,891 --> 00:05:51,517 seemed to have a life of its own. 64 00:06:02,278 --> 00:06:03,905 The mantle piece under the fireplace. 65 00:06:09,494 --> 00:06:11,704 The fabric on my pants that I was wearing. 66 00:06:14,665 --> 00:06:16,209 Yeah. This is it. 67 00:06:21,672 --> 00:06:23,800 [Nicholas] And then it went much further than that. 68 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:25,384 I disappeared. 69 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:33,810 I was floating in this immense black space. 70 00:06:35,561 --> 00:06:37,146 I said, what am I doing here? 71 00:06:41,442 --> 00:06:43,528 [Scully] As you get very high on acid, 72 00:06:43,861 --> 00:06:46,072 that's when you get to experience oneness. 73 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:50,159 You see the whole universe reflected 74 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:51,994 in all the other people that you look at. 75 00:06:55,832 --> 00:06:57,792 [Nicholas] If everybody took LSD, 76 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,086 the entire place would change overnight. 77 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,757 People would want to be more loving. 78 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:09,053 [Scully] The flash that I had 79 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:11,556 was that if everybody could share this experience, 80 00:07:11,973 --> 00:07:14,559 they'd be much less likely to be mean to each other. 81 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,646 To just trash the world by using up resources 82 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:21,149 and dumping pollutants everywhere. 83 00:07:23,651 --> 00:07:25,903 We'd avoid destroying ourselves with the tools 84 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:26,821 we've been developing. 85 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:36,622 [Nicholas] And suddenly a voice came through my body. 86 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:41,002 And it said, "your job on this planet, 87 00:07:41,169 --> 00:07:44,881 is to make psychedelics and turn on the world." 88 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:49,594 Um. It was very interesting. 89 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:56,100 [Scully] As we were coming down from the acid trip, 90 00:07:56,642 --> 00:07:59,020 the world was completely new and fresh. 91 00:08:01,355 --> 00:08:04,525 Smells of the flowers and lawns were really intense. 92 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,154 I thought, we could make this stuff. 93 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:10,239 We could make a lot of it and give it away. 94 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:13,284 We could turn on everyone, everyone who wanted to. 95 00:08:14,410 --> 00:08:16,412 And maybe it would save the world. 96 00:08:30,801 --> 00:08:34,889 [Alice] With small groups of people, you felt connected. 97 00:08:34,972 --> 00:08:36,641 And in fact you were connected. 98 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:46,943 Sometimes it was just by the intensity 99 00:08:47,026 --> 00:08:48,861 of what you were experiencing. 100 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:52,573 And sometimes it felt spiritual. 101 00:08:52,990 --> 00:08:56,285 It was just extraordinary, and made you think about the world 102 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:57,203 differently. 103 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:08,589 We were always friends and off and on we were lovers. 104 00:09:10,007 --> 00:09:13,386 He was sure really wonderful to be with in many ways. 105 00:09:14,136 --> 00:09:15,096 Hey! 106 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:16,013 [Nicholas] Hey, Trooper. 107 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:17,139 [Alice] Hola. 108 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:18,516 How are you? 109 00:09:18,599 --> 00:09:20,434 -It's so good to see you. -Good to see you. 110 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:22,103 Today I feel great. 111 00:09:22,478 --> 00:09:23,646 How are you doing? 112 00:09:23,729 --> 00:09:25,815 I'm OK, especially after seeing you. 113 00:09:25,898 --> 00:09:28,693 That's just because I remind you of your childhood. 114 00:09:30,611 --> 00:09:32,655 [Alice] He was full of excitement about whatever 115 00:09:32,738 --> 00:09:34,073 his latest project was. 116 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:37,034 He was certainly like that about psychedelics. 117 00:09:38,327 --> 00:09:39,954 He became a sort of-- 118 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,499 he probably would say a psychedelic warrior. 119 00:09:43,624 --> 00:09:45,167 I was on a crusade. 120 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:46,752 I wanted to turn on the world. 121 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:51,382 And that was how I first met Billy Hitchcock. 122 00:09:52,758 --> 00:09:56,596 He was a chubby, not really smart guy. 123 00:09:56,887 --> 00:09:58,264 He liked to take LSD. 124 00:09:59,015 --> 00:10:01,684 And he said, you've got to come up to Millbrook. 125 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:04,895 Come on, I want you to meet Timothy Leary. 126 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,148 [song playing] 127 00:10:07,523 --> 00:10:09,191 [Timothy] By teaching people how to use their head. 128 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:10,860 And in order to use your head, 129 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,653 you have to go out of your mind. 130 00:10:20,119 --> 00:10:21,245 [Nicholas] For the first time 131 00:10:21,329 --> 00:10:24,874 I found a whole community of people interested 132 00:10:24,957 --> 00:10:26,876 in psychedelic research. 133 00:10:33,966 --> 00:10:37,011 Billy Hitchcock owned the whole property. 134 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:40,348 [Billy] Dr. Leary leased one of the houses on the property. 135 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:44,935 We would have a population fluctuating between ten and 20 people, 136 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:47,229 working with hallucinogenic drugs, 137 00:10:47,438 --> 00:10:49,440 doing research and experimentation. 138 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,320 [Nicholas] All kinds of scientists, physicists, 139 00:10:54,403 --> 00:10:56,989 ecologists from all over the world came. 140 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:01,494 And so it just became like psychedelic rat wiring. 141 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:07,249 And so I stayed there for a couple of years. 142 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,295 But I still wanted to know the secrets of how 143 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:15,174 to produce very fine, pure LSD. 144 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:24,683 I started making LSD back in late 1966. 145 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:27,686 [Billy] Tim came over to my house 146 00:11:27,770 --> 00:11:30,439 sometime in the fall of 1967. 147 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,567 He told me that he'd been manufacturing LSD. 148 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,112 [Scully] Billy's a very charming guy. 149 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:39,323 He was a patron of the psychedelic movement, 150 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:41,409 and also a wealthy man. 151 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:43,160 That seemed like a pretty good recipe. 152 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,163 [Billy] Sand expressed an interest in meeting. 153 00:11:46,997 --> 00:11:48,999 [Scully] I was introduced to Nick Sand. 154 00:11:49,083 --> 00:11:52,545 He struck me as being ambitious, energetic. 155 00:11:52,878 --> 00:11:54,296 I said, I would really love it 156 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,424 if you could teach me to make LSD. 157 00:11:57,133 --> 00:12:00,094 Tim and I decided that the best way to discuss this 158 00:12:00,177 --> 00:12:02,012 was to take an acid trip together. 159 00:12:02,721 --> 00:12:06,559 He took a whacking dose of about 75 mics, 160 00:12:07,101 --> 00:12:09,353 and I probably took more. 161 00:12:09,437 --> 00:12:11,522 I told him that I wanted to turn on the world, 162 00:12:11,605 --> 00:12:14,859 and that I thought making 200 kilos of acid would be about right. 163 00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:17,069 And that ideally we should give it away. 164 00:12:17,153 --> 00:12:18,487 You know, I thought, well that's fine. 165 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:19,822 You can give yours away for free. 166 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:22,032 I'm not giving mine away for free. 167 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:27,204 He's a very, very thrifty distended Scotsman. 168 00:12:27,288 --> 00:12:29,540 His comfort level was a lot higher than mine. 169 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:31,375 He's way cheaper than I am. 170 00:12:31,667 --> 00:12:34,920 And then finally I said, "OK, come to California." 171 00:12:35,004 --> 00:12:36,255 We'll work together. 172 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,008 [song playing] 173 00:12:43,262 --> 00:12:46,015 I was going to leave for California. 174 00:12:49,685 --> 00:12:55,399 And I had a feeling I needed a woman to balance my energy out. 175 00:13:00,779 --> 00:13:04,116 I used to up to Millbrook for a number of reasons. 176 00:13:04,658 --> 00:13:08,496 I was kind of a horny guy, and psychedelic chicks, 177 00:13:09,246 --> 00:13:11,999 that could function on my level were rare. 178 00:13:12,416 --> 00:13:15,461 And there were a whole bunch of them up there. 179 00:13:16,003 --> 00:13:17,171 And Jill was there. 180 00:13:23,052 --> 00:13:26,347 [Jill] I stayed up there working as Billie Hitchcock's 181 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:28,390 governess for his stepchildren. 182 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:32,645 I was, at that time had moved into one of the tower rooms. 183 00:13:35,481 --> 00:13:37,274 Nick just appeared in the morning, 184 00:13:37,358 --> 00:13:38,817 popped out of the closet. 185 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:43,197 And just came and got in bed. 186 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:47,076 And we turned onto LSD. 187 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,246 And she was very, very beautiful. 188 00:13:50,454 --> 00:13:51,664 [laughing] 189 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:53,457 I like thin chicks. 190 00:13:53,832 --> 00:13:56,377 [Jill] I was in awe of his energy 191 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:58,254 and I really wanted to... 192 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:00,798 ♪ Staying in bed ♪ 193 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:07,596 Yeah. I mean, Nicky likes to make love a lot, you know. 194 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,139 So that is important to him. 195 00:14:09,223 --> 00:14:10,891 But it's almost utilitarian. 196 00:14:13,811 --> 00:14:16,105 We're going to get in trouble here. 197 00:14:17,648 --> 00:14:19,024 [Nicholas] And I said, 198 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:21,026 you got to come to California with me because I'm going 199 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:22,570 to need someone to help me. 200 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,448 [Jill] It wasn't so much that Nicky was charming. 201 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,868 It was that Nicky knew where he was going. 202 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:31,996 He had a strong sense of his mission. 203 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,707 Those were the things that made him attractive. 204 00:14:35,332 --> 00:14:36,959 Nick thought that he could change... 205 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:40,713 consciousness of large numbers of people, 206 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:42,756 by making psychedelic drugs. 207 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:45,092 He thought that that needed to happen. 208 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:46,218 We all did. 209 00:14:55,227 --> 00:14:57,313 [Nicholas] And finally, she just decided to go with me. 210 00:14:58,522 --> 00:15:02,067 And we came to the ranch here as partners. 211 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:06,030 And she still maintains an interest in the ranch. 212 00:15:06,113 --> 00:15:07,531 Unfortunately I don't. 213 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:10,242 It was stolen from me by the federal government. 214 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:13,662 Well, I promised you it would 215 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:15,581 be good coming out to California. 216 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:16,874 [laughter] 217 00:15:16,957 --> 00:15:18,667 You got stuck here, didn't you, Jill? 218 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,629 I'd love for them to film me crawling 219 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:24,298 through the attic at Millbrook and discovering you 220 00:15:24,381 --> 00:15:25,883 -in your room. -Yeah. 221 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:28,218 Yeah, I remember I was with one very hot 222 00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:30,721 lady before I discovered you. 223 00:15:30,804 --> 00:15:32,056 [Jill] She was so beautiful. Yeah. 224 00:15:33,849 --> 00:15:35,434 Not as beautiful as you. 225 00:15:37,686 --> 00:15:39,271 Not as beautiful as you. 226 00:15:39,355 --> 00:15:41,148 Don't even think twice about it. 227 00:15:50,115 --> 00:15:53,243 [Alice] Tim also is very fond of women. 228 00:15:55,329 --> 00:15:57,998 Getting high with him was really quite wonderful. 229 00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:03,504 He laid out a deck of tarot cards before the LSD came on. 230 00:16:04,838 --> 00:16:08,050 And then I think we made love for most of the night. 231 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:12,221 I'd known Nick by then for 15 years. 232 00:16:12,763 --> 00:16:15,641 And he asked me afterwards, "well, what did you think about Tim?" 233 00:16:15,724 --> 00:16:17,309 And I said, "oh, I liked him. 234 00:16:17,393 --> 00:16:20,145 He's very, very odd. But I really liked him. 235 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:21,355 He's really bright. 236 00:16:21,438 --> 00:16:23,190 But you're not going to work together, are you?" 237 00:16:23,273 --> 00:16:24,775 And he said, "well." 238 00:16:24,858 --> 00:16:27,528 And I said, "good luck with that." 239 00:16:27,611 --> 00:16:30,739 I mean, they just are so different. 240 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:33,784 [interviewer] Why have all of the books got your name on them? 241 00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:36,787 [Scully] That's to indicate that it's been cataloged. 242 00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:38,914 Its mysteries and science fiction. 243 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:40,749 It's alphabetical by author. 244 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:42,668 [Jill] He's unusual. Yeah. 245 00:16:42,918 --> 00:16:45,087 He does function differently than most of us 246 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:47,256 in the way he relates to people. 247 00:16:47,381 --> 00:16:49,925 And he does have a touch of Asperger's. 248 00:16:51,468 --> 00:16:53,429 [Nicholas] Tim was a very persnickety guy. 249 00:16:55,389 --> 00:16:58,517 Much more uptight than I. He's a Virgo. He's very skinny. 250 00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:01,437 So we had to set up ground rules. 251 00:17:02,062 --> 00:17:04,773 As long as I didn't transgress on his diet 252 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:08,485 of white spaghetti, white cheese... 253 00:17:08,944 --> 00:17:10,571 you know, he liked everything white. 254 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:13,198 [Scully] I used to eat spaghetti 255 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:14,783 with butter and cheese on it for dinner, 256 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:18,662 for every night for 30 years. 257 00:17:22,291 --> 00:17:25,753 Until it became medically not possible 258 00:17:25,836 --> 00:17:27,046 for me to eat it anymore. 259 00:17:28,756 --> 00:17:30,716 [Nicholas] Tim was extremely paranoid. 260 00:17:31,383 --> 00:17:34,470 He thought I was just a crazy psychedelic madman. 261 00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,058 [Scully] Nick made a commitment 262 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:43,729 to being a lifelong psychedelic outlaw, changing identity, 263 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,564 being a fugitive from time to time. 264 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:48,984 In fact, he enjoyed pulling the wool over people's eyes. 265 00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:52,654 And I got the feeling that he was often doing it to me. 266 00:17:53,947 --> 00:17:55,783 [interviewer] Did he want to become the king of LSD? 267 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:57,493 Yes. 268 00:17:58,702 --> 00:17:59,703 I think so. 269 00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:03,665 [music playing] 270 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,129 [Billy] I remember specifically going to have 271 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:10,964 a meeting with Sand and Scully. 272 00:18:11,215 --> 00:18:12,883 They were discussing the possibility 273 00:18:12,966 --> 00:18:16,970 of acquiring lysergic acid, the starting material to make LSD. 274 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:20,933 I suggested London, England as a possible source of supply 275 00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:21,850 for this material. 276 00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:28,565 [Nicholas] And so we pooled our resources, went to England. 277 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:34,780 [Scully] Bought the kilo of lysergic acid, 278 00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:37,658 divvied it up in little plastic bags. 279 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:41,662 So this looks very much like lysergic acid. 280 00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:44,748 One of the things we used to do 281 00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:48,377 is take advantage of natural hollows in the body. 282 00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:50,379 So we'd always put it in a place, 283 00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:52,297 like, this was our favorite place to put it. 284 00:18:52,589 --> 00:18:54,216 And then this would go like that. 285 00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:58,470 And once the shirt was pulled down over it, 286 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:01,390 it would be basically invisible. 287 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:09,356 And I smuggled my half through the Bahamas with Alice. 288 00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:11,817 Alice used to smuggle for me all the time. 289 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:15,821 A great smuggler. And she's like, "la di da. 290 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:18,824 How are you? Oh, aren't the birds chirping beautifully?" 291 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:20,534 And she'd like totally distract you. 292 00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:22,953 She's got that kind of sais quoi. 293 00:19:23,328 --> 00:19:24,496 She was perfect. 294 00:19:26,623 --> 00:19:31,170 And then took a speedboat to Miami. 295 00:19:31,253 --> 00:19:34,423 And from there was taken by another crew to California. 296 00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:39,678 [Billy] I was involved in setting up an LSD lab 297 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:41,054 with Sand and Scully. 298 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:44,349 Eventually a place was found in November of '68, 299 00:19:44,558 --> 00:19:45,976 in Windsor, California. 300 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:48,228 [Nicholas] Tim said, "here's the deal. 301 00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:52,316 I'll do the first run with my material. 302 00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:54,610 You do the second run with your material. 303 00:19:54,693 --> 00:19:56,570 And we'll be here together for two weeks. 304 00:19:56,945 --> 00:20:01,491 And in two weeks you need to know everything I'm doing, 305 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:03,035 so that you can take over." 306 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:06,163 [music playing] 307 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,089 Eventually I got notified 308 00:20:16,173 --> 00:20:18,508 that it was my turn to come and to meet 309 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:20,928 at a certain parking lot. 310 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:25,849 [Scully] I told Nick to change vehicles on the way to the lab. 311 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:29,228 [Nicholas] Get one car to drop us off, 312 00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:31,605 like at a medical building and go out the back door 313 00:20:31,688 --> 00:20:33,357 and get a rented car. 314 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:39,071 A lot of the art of making LSD involves not getting busted. 315 00:20:45,118 --> 00:20:46,578 I got to the house in Windsor. 316 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,538 And Jill and I moved in. 317 00:20:52,459 --> 00:20:53,627 [Scully] The first thing I did 318 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:56,505 was draw up a flow chart that showed 319 00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:58,674 all of the steps and sequence. 320 00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:01,635 It's been a lot of years since I did this. 321 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,515 [Scully] LSD is lysergic acid diethylamide. 322 00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:10,519 And lysergic acid is the ideal starting material. 323 00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:12,104 You're pretty much guaranteed to get 324 00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:14,773 busted if you try to acquire the chemicals and do this. 325 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,401 So don't try this at home. 326 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,904 [song playing] 327 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:25,158 The first step is to make something 328 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:26,535 called lithium lysergic. 329 00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:31,415 [Nicholas] He was a good friend 330 00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,208 and he was a good teacher. 331 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,002 And we trusted each other. 332 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:39,506 And we all go forward on the shoulders of the people 333 00:21:39,589 --> 00:21:40,757 who went before us. 334 00:21:41,091 --> 00:21:43,552 Meanwhile, we've previously made 335 00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:45,554 something called the re-agent. 336 00:21:54,938 --> 00:21:56,982 [Jill] I was pregnant at the time 337 00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:59,192 and pretty far along actually. 338 00:21:59,776 --> 00:22:03,613 We just kind of did the same thing over and over every day 339 00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:05,949 for, I don't know, at least a month. 340 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:10,662 [Scully] Generally, working in an acid lab, 341 00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:11,872 you do tend to get high. 342 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,291 So we were in an altered state. 343 00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,506 [Nicholas] You know, sometimes something's 344 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:24,134 boiling over on the hot plate and you'd grab it 345 00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:25,844 and take it off and you'd go, "oh. 346 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,431 Wow. That's hot. Oh, no. 347 00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:32,184 I just took 2,000 mics of acid." 348 00:22:38,982 --> 00:22:40,525 [Scully] Billy was sort of a lab groupie. 349 00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,986 He so much wanted to come to the lab, 350 00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,989 that I let him come and work here for a couple of days. 351 00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:49,993 [Billy] I worked around the lab. 352 00:22:50,368 --> 00:22:51,912 I ran some reactions myself. 353 00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:54,456 They were manufacturing somewhere between three 354 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:55,791 and four million tabs. 355 00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:07,844 [Scully] We were hoping that there 356 00:23:07,928 --> 00:23:09,679 would be a really fundamental change, 357 00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:11,431 in the world's consciousness. 358 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,767 That people would become more responsible, 359 00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:16,436 able to use technology more wisely, 360 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:18,688 able to be gentler with the planet. 361 00:23:22,025 --> 00:23:23,276 [Nicholas] We'd work until we'd drop 362 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,237 and then we'd sleep for a few hours 363 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,030 and get up and get at it again. 364 00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:57,727 [Scully] I went to Billy Hitchcock 365 00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:59,729 and asked him whether he had ideas 366 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:01,148 for a distribution channel. 367 00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:04,693 Because Billy had all kinds of social contacts, 368 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,444 all over the psychedelic scene. 369 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,574 And he introduced me to the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, 370 00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,536 also known as the Hippie Mafia. 371 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:20,000 [Mike] The mafia rules by fear. 372 00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:21,751 The Brotherhood ruled by love. 373 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:28,008 LSD made freethinkers out of people. 374 00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:33,221 The grip that all governments have on people 375 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:36,057 was going to probably end. 376 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:38,602 I know it sounds ridiculously naive. 377 00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:43,773 But if you've ever sat and really seen the golden light, 378 00:24:46,484 --> 00:24:50,447 and really went deep inside yourself, 379 00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:53,783 it ain't all that far out. 380 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:58,038 [Nicholas] They were actually stickup men. 381 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:00,207 And they all dropped acid. 382 00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:03,168 And they threw their pistols away. 383 00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:06,171 And they said, we're going to form the Brotherhood of Love. 384 00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:09,549 And we'll be working with psychedelics 385 00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:11,593 and we won't be sticking up people anymore. 386 00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:19,768 Our aim was to turn the world on. 387 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:26,233 The business arrangement between the Brotherhood and Nick 388 00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:28,610 and Tim was pretty straightforward. 389 00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:31,780 Here's 100 grams about acid, 390 00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:34,449 and there's more where that came from. 391 00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:35,867 We sold it all. 392 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,996 We had... I think it was $72,000. 393 00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:43,959 That's a lot of money now, but it was a huge amount of money then. 394 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:47,128 And came back up and delivered it to Nick. 395 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:48,129 That was it. 396 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:51,549 Now we were the official distributors. 397 00:25:53,426 --> 00:25:56,054 [song playing] 398 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,395 We're the ones that came up with the name sunshine, 399 00:26:03,603 --> 00:26:06,356 to this day the most famous acid ever. 400 00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:08,233 [Peter] I took some acid. 401 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,110 Peter, what did the acid look like? 402 00:26:10,318 --> 00:26:11,861 [Peter] They were these little orange pills. 403 00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:14,322 -Were they barrel-shaped? -Uh, yeah. 404 00:26:15,031 --> 00:26:17,075 OK, right. You did some Orange Sunshine, Peter. 405 00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:23,415 [Mike] So we were smuggling all through America, 406 00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:24,874 all through Europe. 407 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,585 You know, you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. 408 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:31,047 You're going to have to break some laws to make a revolution. 409 00:26:31,381 --> 00:26:33,717 [Nicholas] They dealt most of the Orange Sunshine. 410 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,051 They did a really good job. 411 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:36,469 It went all over the world. 412 00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:39,431 [Mike] India had lots of it. 413 00:26:39,514 --> 00:26:40,890 In Goa and other places. 414 00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:44,102 People that were smuggling hash out of Afghanistan 415 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:46,521 were bringing acid into Afghanistan. 416 00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:53,320 [Nicholas] I sent a bunch through different soldiers, 417 00:26:53,695 --> 00:26:57,365 to turn the soldiers on to a higher way of looking at things 418 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:58,867 and not just take orders. 419 00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,244 [soldier] You get really stoned. 420 00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:03,913 Then, you know, like, who cares about the war? 421 00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:15,550 [Mike] We thought the world was going to change 422 00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,177 within five years or so. 423 00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:20,680 The grass would be growing in Manhattan. 424 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:23,391 We were in a fit of idealism. 425 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:30,148 [Nicholas] I envisioned centers all over the world. 426 00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:33,651 There would be trained guides like myself, 427 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:36,071 taking people through their first trip. 428 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,535 [Mike] It was a spiritual thing. 429 00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:45,663 Some people say, I believe in God. 430 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:48,208 I don't have to believe in God. 431 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:50,919 I have been one with God. 432 00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:54,964 [Alice] It was amazing. 433 00:27:55,298 --> 00:27:58,218 We had a growing sense of community, 434 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:01,721 among equally eccentric people. 435 00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:03,723 It was a lovely time. 436 00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,314 [Scully] There was a psychedelic nation 437 00:28:11,398 --> 00:28:12,524 that was forming. 438 00:28:12,607 --> 00:28:15,360 It seemed as though it was going to work out. 439 00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:29,332 [Mike] You know, evangelists have an epiphany a church. 440 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,462 We're the same, except we were LSD evangelists. 441 00:28:35,713 --> 00:28:37,424 Jesus, that's what he was trying to do. 442 00:28:37,507 --> 00:28:39,968 I think we did a better job than Jesus. 443 00:28:40,343 --> 00:28:43,555 Christians would hate me for saying that but it's true. 444 00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:46,182 We touched more souls than... you know, 445 00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:47,892 we just because it's a modern world, 446 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:50,186 and Jesus didn't have no acid. 447 00:29:02,782 --> 00:29:04,743 [interviewer] Did it feel that you were turning on the world? 448 00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:07,203 [Nicholas] I really thought we were on our way. 449 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:13,710 [Scully] We guesstimated that maybe three quarters of a billion people, 450 00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:17,422 might be willing to take acid, willing to give it a try. 451 00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:19,215 [interviewer] What was that based on? A guess? 452 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:20,800 Intuition. 453 00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:22,051 Optimism. 454 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:25,764 Somebody in Africa who's starving to death 455 00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:27,474 might have relatively little interest 456 00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:31,478 in... or on the other hand, they might think it's really cool. Who knows. 457 00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:33,229 But still, we thought that it would 458 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:37,442 be a fair shot know that if three quarters of a billion doses 459 00:29:37,525 --> 00:29:40,653 would be not too shabby. 460 00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:51,873 Seven hundred and fifty million doses, which is roughly 200 kilos of pure acid. 461 00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:58,713 The next step might be 20 kilos. 462 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:04,302 And then that's sort of what we were hoping. 463 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,722 [music playing] 464 00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:14,020 [interviewer] How soon were you hoping to be able to complete your mission? 465 00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:15,814 [Scully] I suppose I was thinking in terms 466 00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:17,148 of a couple years maybe. 467 00:30:30,078 --> 00:30:32,789 [Scully] When I finished my work in Windsor, 468 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:34,374 I wanted to learn how to fly. 469 00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:42,924 After I got through the basic training, I flew up to Napa. 470 00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:50,223 When I got off the airplane, a fellow said to me, 471 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:51,975 "are you Tim Scully?" And I said, "yes." 472 00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:53,810 And somebody else grabbed me from behind 473 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:55,186 and put the handcuffs on. 474 00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:56,646 [Police] Stay there. 475 00:30:58,022 --> 00:30:59,524 [Scully] They said, "we're federal agents 476 00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:01,609 and we're arresting you on a fugitive warrant 477 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,944 from Denver, Colorado." 478 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,780 I figured that I was in deep trouble. 479 00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,490 [sirens] 480 00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:13,204 [man] Scully was advised of his constitutional rights 481 00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:16,708 and transported to the BNDD offices, San Francisco, 482 00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:17,959 California for processing. 483 00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:26,509 [Scully] I arrived at the federal building, 484 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,887 got taken into a booking room where they took 485 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:30,847 my picture and my fingerprints. 486 00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:36,144 I was told I could get a maximum sentence of 56 years. 487 00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,187 I said, "oh shit." 488 00:32:02,962 --> 00:32:04,213 [Gordon] Robert T Scully. 489 00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:10,845 Male Caucasian, 23 years of age, born on August 27, 1944. 490 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:14,015 Six foot one inches tall, 130 pounds. 491 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:16,851 Slender build, brown hair, hazel eyes. 492 00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:33,201 I was the group supervisor, 493 00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:36,871 for the investigation of the LSD sales 494 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,331 in the San Francisco area. 495 00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:44,504 In 1966, LSD was kiddie dope. 496 00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:49,092 In other words, kids are using this. 497 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:54,847 The real men are using cocaine and heroin, 498 00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:56,641 and those kind of drugs. 499 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,519 I felt it was more dangerous because nobody 500 00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:02,230 knew the outcome of where this thing is going to end up. 501 00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,941 And it's causing problems to society. 502 00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:12,657 [Clark] I wound up as a junior agent with Gordon White, 503 00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,118 to fight the hallucinogen traffic. 504 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:20,707 Most of these young people were the first of the baby-boomers. 505 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,291 They saw a lot of things in the world 506 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,210 they thought were hypocritical and they 507 00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:26,421 were reacting against them. 508 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,424 And they weren't totally wrong. 509 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,343 I just didn't agree with the way they were doing it. 510 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:38,558 [Gordon] Peculiarities... wears glasses and walks, 511 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,144 with an extremely large gait. 512 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:47,025 Associates, Donald R. Douglas. 513 00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:52,697 [Douglas] Tim and I met in kindergarten. 514 00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:56,325 There is no question that Tim is a science genius. 515 00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:01,164 The part of him that you mostly don't see 516 00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:05,126 is the guy who figured the right place for an accelerator pedal 517 00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:06,544 is flat on the floor. 518 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:10,923 And he's the one who, the very first time we took LSD 519 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:12,967 together, said, you know, Don, we could make this, 520 00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:14,927 with a real gleam in his eye. 521 00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,140 [man] What is LSD? 522 00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:20,725 How does it work? 523 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,185 When did it all begin? 524 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:30,693 [Scully] In the late '50s and very early 1960s, 525 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,529 LSD samples went to psychologists, 526 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:36,157 and psychiatrists who were doing medical research. 527 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:42,121 It also caught the attention of the CIA, 528 00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:45,833 looking at the possibility of using LSD in the Cold War. 529 00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:50,880 [Gordon] CIA were looking at it for one thing. 530 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:56,177 But the side effects were such that a person that 531 00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,054 would be looking for a high, 532 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:01,140 this would be the kind of side effect that they would enjoy. 533 00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:06,020 I just felt so one, so human and alive 534 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,772 again for the first time in years. 535 00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,982 [Scully] And the word started to get around 536 00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,276 that there was this really interesting substance. 537 00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:16,531 Magazine articles were published and a buzz developed. 538 00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,909 [acid user] I mean, I feel as though I have no enemies in the world. 539 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,787 And this is very lovely. 540 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:27,583 [Scully] By 1965 the FDA had classified 541 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,877 LSD as an experimental drug. 542 00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:35,883 The sources of supply started being driven underground. 543 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,599 [Gordon] And that's about when we started looking, 544 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:45,726 at Owsley and his operation. 545 00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:52,483 [Clark] Owsley was the man. 546 00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:53,776 He had the brand name. 547 00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:57,905 LSD was being sold on the street as Owsley Acid. 548 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:02,034 [song playing] 549 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,583 [Gordon] He's the pied piper. 550 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,878 And people would be following him around, 551 00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:14,422 'cause he's handing out the goodies. 552 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:17,508 It was pretty easy for us to just get in the line 553 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,260 and see what was going on. 554 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:29,061 [Douglas] Tim and I were interested in making drugs. 555 00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:34,734 And Owsley learned about us, and he visited one day. 556 00:36:43,784 --> 00:36:46,662 [Owsley] So I was looking around for someone who could help. 557 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:48,831 And I ran into this kid, Tim Scully. 558 00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,417 I thought, hey, I need somebody. 559 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,501 You want to do it? 560 00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:54,337 He was a bright kid. 561 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,254 Real bright. 562 00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:00,343 [Clark] We have three by five index cards. 563 00:37:00,843 --> 00:37:03,429 We'd get a big piece of paper and it's all telephone 564 00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,723 calls, money transfers. 565 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:07,767 You're putting together a jigsaw puzzle. 566 00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:11,270 [Gordon] And that's where we would put Timothy Scully, 567 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:13,064 and Donald Douglas. 568 00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,236 [Scully] We drove to Owsley's LSD lab. 569 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,201 Becoming his apprentice passed on all the essential knowledge, 570 00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:28,329 that I otherwise would have had to learn the hard way. 571 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,874 [Douglas] Owsley and Tim would discuss chemistry texts 572 00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:33,084 at the kitchen table. 573 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,586 And I would try to keep up for a little while 574 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:37,964 but then I'd just go smoke a joint and play my guitar. 575 00:37:41,008 --> 00:37:43,678 [Scully] We'd tableted up 100,000 doses or more, 576 00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:46,973 of White Lightening, and put that out on the street. 577 00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:49,475 [song playing] 578 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,562 [Gordon] Haight-Ashbury was an intersection of two 579 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:56,232 streets in San Francisco. 580 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,610 And if you wanted to deal drugs, this was the place to be. 581 00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:02,363 [Clark] LSD traffickers were not 582 00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,031 the same as other drug dealers. 583 00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,702 Our basic tool in undercover work was to appeal to greed. 584 00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:09,704 And some of them didn't have the greed. 585 00:38:09,787 --> 00:38:11,789 I mean, some of them really were motivated 586 00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:13,082 by things other than money. 587 00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:18,337 You didn't even know if he'd show up. 588 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:21,007 And if he did, he might want to talk about karma. 589 00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:25,136 [woman] I had heard it makes you not only closer with yourself 590 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,095 but with everybody. 591 00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:28,014 This sort of love, peace type thing. 592 00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,269 [Scully] I was doing it because I thought that making 593 00:38:33,352 --> 00:38:34,729 acid could save the world. 594 00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:36,981 [Clark] That term, save the world. 595 00:38:37,064 --> 00:38:38,774 I mean, so many of them used it. 596 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:54,165 I reacted to those LSD people who 597 00:38:54,248 --> 00:38:57,168 said, you know, how amazing their experience had been, 598 00:38:57,251 --> 00:38:59,712 the same way I reacted to many heroin dealers 599 00:38:59,795 --> 00:39:03,090 that I met who said that heroin was better than sex. 600 00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:04,925 I didn't believe it. 601 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:11,766 [Gordon] I knew it was going to get bigger and bigger 602 00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,601 and I felt we had to do what we could 603 00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:15,478 to try to slow this thing down. 604 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,733 [man] You have to take into consideration 605 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,194 the changes that have taken place in the social order. 606 00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:27,073 The abandon with which they conduct themselves today. 607 00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,246 [man 2] There is nothing grown up or sophisticated in taking 608 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:35,623 an LSD trip at all. 609 00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:37,833 They're just being complete fools. 610 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:39,126 Fear. 611 00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:45,257 [Scully] Almost everybody who got turned on, 612 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,053 became deeply skeptical of all governments and politicians. 613 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:53,808 [Douglas] And the authorities said, "oh, we've 614 00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:55,684 got to stop this right away. 615 00:39:55,768 --> 00:39:58,020 People are waking up. We don't want this to happen." 616 00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:01,440 One reason or another LSD was given to an elephant once. 617 00:40:02,691 --> 00:40:04,193 [Douglas] The propaganda machine, 618 00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,695 telling people about all the awful things 619 00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:08,322 that would happen cranked up. 620 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,990 And lo and behold it killed the elephant. 621 00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:11,367 [man] Freak-outs. 622 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,202 Instant insanity. 623 00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:16,288 [interviewer] Did any of guys have to take LSD 624 00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,332 as part of being undercover? 625 00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,959 "Take LSD"? Are you crazy? 626 00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,335 A Never Neverland of no return. 627 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,878 No, get away. Get away. 628 00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:26,424 You might be the one guy that trips out on this stuff. 629 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:31,804 LSD started out a low penalty drug. 630 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:35,433 But then as people began to learn more and more 631 00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:39,311 about what it did to you, then it worked its way up the scale. 632 00:40:40,729 --> 00:40:42,481 [Clark] The other side would disagree with that 633 00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:44,984 and say that maybe it was tied to the anti-war movement 634 00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:46,026 or other movements. 635 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:49,447 But my impression was that serious people involved 636 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,907 in science and medicine were seeing it, 637 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,076 LSD, as a bigger problem. 638 00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,163 The manufacturer for illicit LSD 639 00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:00,249 should be vigorously sought and prosecuted. 640 00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:02,376 [Nicholas] I don't care what the governments say. 641 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:06,130 They're all just a crock of shit, out for power and money. 642 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,673 And that was not my trip. 643 00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:12,678 [Owsley] It was too fucking much. 644 00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:16,307 The law said it's no longer legal to make LSD. 645 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,142 So we finished it all up. 646 00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,234 [Douglas] One of the things you need to remember 647 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,321 about the United States is that it's 50 different states 648 00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:31,655 and they aren't all that united. 649 00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:36,535 It became illegal in California before other places. 650 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:40,289 So that's why the Denver lab was not in California. 651 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:44,168 [music playing] 652 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:53,427 [Scully] I rented a house not far from the Denver Zoo. 653 00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:57,765 [Nicholas] Setting up the lab went well. 654 00:41:58,224 --> 00:42:01,810 Owsley proceeded to come to the lab and make acid with us. 655 00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:16,116 [Scully] When that work was done, 656 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,537 Owsley went back to the Bay Area to organize 657 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,790 a tableting facility for the LSD we'd made in Denver. 658 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:30,714 So I went back to Berkeley. 659 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,718 I ordered more chemicals through the chemical supply 660 00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:36,470 house Owsley had recommended. 661 00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:44,562 [Clark] The chemical supply houses 662 00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:46,981 recognized that some of the chemicals they were selling 663 00:42:47,064 --> 00:42:49,149 were probably going into illegal drugs. 664 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,527 They'd get an order. They would call us. 665 00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:54,655 Sometimes we would put an undercover agent 666 00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:56,365 behind the desk as a clerk. 667 00:42:57,157 --> 00:42:58,367 [Scully] There was a new stock clerk 668 00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:59,660 who helped me load the truck. 669 00:43:04,498 --> 00:43:06,500 [man] Aiden Hendrix assumed the role of stock clerk. 670 00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:12,381 At approximately 1:15 p.m., Donald R. Douglas 671 00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:14,091 arrived in a van-type truck. 672 00:43:17,511 --> 00:43:20,681 [Gordon] Hendrix would pretend to be an employee, 673 00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:24,143 meet the people, take their order, fill it, give it to them 674 00:43:24,226 --> 00:43:26,103 and tell us, hey, OK, he's got it. 675 00:43:26,186 --> 00:43:29,064 And now he's leaving in a certain kind of car or whatever. 676 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,400 [Douglas] He got into a car and followed us, 677 00:43:31,483 --> 00:43:34,653 which an employee of a chemical company would not do. 678 00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:38,782 A list of these chemicals is as follows, 679 00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:40,534 Ten cases of chloroform. 680 00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:42,036 Hundred pounds of sodium chloride. 681 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:43,704 Fifty gallons of acetone. 682 00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:45,789 Twenty five pounds of drierite. 683 00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:51,337 The truck was followed to the vicinity of Harrison Street in Stanley Place. 684 00:43:56,091 --> 00:43:57,384 [Scully] When we went back to my house 685 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,970 we discovered that they'd put my house under surveillance. 686 00:44:00,262 --> 00:44:01,764 Highball one to Dugout. 687 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:03,057 This is Dugout. 688 00:44:03,682 --> 00:44:06,518 [Gordon] He lived not too far from a motel. 689 00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:09,480 We could go to it and rent a motel room, 690 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,106 look right out the window. 691 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:16,570 [Douglas] We did see that we were being, 692 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:19,073 followed on a regular basis. 693 00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:22,534 And we became a bit thick-skinned about it. 694 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:24,662 [Scully] The way I was looking 695 00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:26,580 at it is that we were all playing a game 696 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,540 and we just had chosen different sides. 697 00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:30,959 [Clark] I did what I did, which 698 00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,379 I thought was the right thing for the country 699 00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:34,797 and for the rule of law. 700 00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:39,259 I thought I was doing something good and we disagreed. 701 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:45,099 Spy versus spy, cops versus robbers. 702 00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:54,942 [Gordon] Surveillance is the key. 703 00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:58,821 And that's the only way we were able to follow 704 00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:00,155 Owsley to Arenden. 705 00:45:08,997 --> 00:45:12,292 Gordon White, Special Agent with the Bureau of Narcotics 706 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,669 and Dangerous Drugs. 707 00:45:14,503 --> 00:45:17,089 We had probable cause to believe, 708 00:45:17,172 --> 00:45:20,884 that there might be some type of drug manufacturing going on, 709 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:22,511 in the premises. 710 00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:30,727 We had no response and forcible entry was obtained. 711 00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:34,690 Hey! Don't move. 712 00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:36,400 -Don't move. Get over there. -Hey, now. 713 00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:40,404 And in the house we found Mr. Owsley Stanley. 714 00:45:43,031 --> 00:45:45,367 [Owsley] I said, "gee, I'd love to help you 715 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:48,078 but I just dropped about 200 mics of acid. 716 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:51,331 I don't think I really want to go anywhere right now." 717 00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:55,002 Then they carted me off to the joint. 718 00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,139 [phone ringing] 719 00:46:08,974 --> 00:46:10,517 [Scully] I called the lab in Denver. 720 00:46:15,147 --> 00:46:18,775 A strange voice answered, and my first thought was, oh shit, 721 00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:20,152 the lab has been busted. 722 00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,617 I called my lawyer and asked if he could 723 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,160 find out what had happened. 724 00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:34,249 It turned out that the landlord came to the house. 725 00:46:36,126 --> 00:46:37,419 He smelled a really funny smell. 726 00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,589 He thought is there perhaps a dead body in the house? 727 00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:42,758 Sheriff's office. 728 00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:43,967 [Scully] He called the police. 729 00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:44,885 OK. 730 00:46:44,968 --> 00:46:46,136 Hold on just a second. 731 00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:48,514 [Scully] A cop came. 732 00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,810 The cop decided that he would break down the door. 733 00:46:56,271 --> 00:46:59,107 As soon as he went inside, he immediately 734 00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,651 called the narcotics police. 735 00:47:09,826 --> 00:47:11,912 None of us had paid attention to how 736 00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:13,872 the laws changed in Colorado. 737 00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:17,459 So when the Denver lab was busted, each of the things 738 00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,003 we were doing there had become a more serious felony, 739 00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:21,463 than in California. 740 00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,970 [Douglas] The heat on us was really increasing a lot. 741 00:47:28,929 --> 00:47:33,475 I said that I wanted to take a hiatus of about six months, 742 00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:38,689 and go get regular jobs where federal agents could see us do 743 00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:41,608 our work, until they got tired it 744 00:47:41,692 --> 00:47:43,318 and we have an agreed meeting place. 745 00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:46,613 And at some point we'd drop whatever it is we're doing, 746 00:47:46,738 --> 00:47:48,574 meet in this place and proceed. 747 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,745 Tim said that he wanted to continue. 748 00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:55,998 So then I said, well then I guess I'm out. 749 00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:57,499 That's how I was out. 750 00:48:02,879 --> 00:48:05,132 [Scully] I was going to have to start from scratch. 751 00:48:06,341 --> 00:48:09,136 Owsley made it pretty clear he wouldn't be financing me. 752 00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:12,014 When I told him, well I didn't really have enough money 753 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,766 to do it on my own, he said, "well, how about if you 754 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:15,892 ask Billy Hitchcock?" 755 00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:20,230 And what it came down to was seeing if Nick wanted 756 00:48:20,314 --> 00:48:21,648 to set up a lab in partnership. 757 00:48:25,277 --> 00:48:27,487 [Nicholas] They said, come to California. We'll work together. 758 00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:29,823 So we pooled our resources. 759 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,326 I got to the house in Windsor, 760 00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,288 and we all go forward on the shoulders of the people 761 00:48:36,371 --> 00:48:37,497 who went before us. 762 00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:58,644 [Clark] In 1969 we did have intelligence 763 00:48:58,727 --> 00:49:01,396 that Sand and Scully were working together on producing, 764 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,315 Orange Sunshine, LSD. 765 00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:06,026 I mean, everybody in Haight was talking about it. 766 00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:08,070 It was the LSD of choice. 767 00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:10,238 We would get reports from all over the country 768 00:49:10,322 --> 00:49:12,074 about Orange Sunshine seizures. 769 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,242 So we knew it was spreading around the country. 770 00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:18,538 Sand and Scully were apparently running this lab in Windsor. 771 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,375 And they did a good job of keeping it from us. 772 00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:24,169 We conducted surveillances. 773 00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,046 We talked to informants. 774 00:49:26,588 --> 00:49:27,506 We did a lot of things. 775 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:29,007 But we didn't find the lab. 776 00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:31,927 Stay there. 777 00:49:32,969 --> 00:49:34,262 [Clark] But sometime after Scully 778 00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:37,057 did get arrested at the Napa County Airport, 779 00:49:37,557 --> 00:49:39,142 for, at the lab in Denver. 780 00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,106 [Scully] I was busted in the spring of '69. 781 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:47,234 I spent a lot of time commuting to Denver to go to court. 782 00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:50,612 Would you please relate to this court and jury 783 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,115 when and where you first observed him. 784 00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:55,867 I first observed him at 1:24... 785 00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,994 [Scully] And after that, I tended 786 00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:00,831 to have paranoid trips where I was hallucinating 787 00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:02,332 police in the trees. 788 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,252 It was very unnerving to think that the police 789 00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:08,088 might be out in the bushes, about to swoop down. 790 00:50:13,343 --> 00:50:14,761 And I was just terrified. 791 00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:18,849 So I got in touch with the Brotherhood folks, 792 00:50:18,932 --> 00:50:21,309 and basically said, you guys have to take over. 793 00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:23,311 I can't do it anymore. 794 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,609 Tim's timid. 795 00:50:31,611 --> 00:50:33,822 He's not real brave sometimes. 796 00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:38,243 [interviewer] Why do you think he quit when you didn't quit 797 00:50:38,326 --> 00:50:39,453 and Nick didn't quit? 798 00:50:40,078 --> 00:50:41,913 [Mike] Because he didn't take enough of it. 799 00:50:42,956 --> 00:50:49,629 I don't know how much acid Tim took, but it wasn't much. 800 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,467 You need to keep taking it so that you 801 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,970 really are current with your spiritual feelings. 802 00:51:00,015 --> 00:51:02,142 Pretend it was a momentary job, 803 00:51:02,768 --> 00:51:03,977 and he did what he did. 804 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,312 And then he was finished. 805 00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:10,150 And to me it was just another rock on the road. 806 00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:14,988 [man] America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. 807 00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:17,783 In order to fight and defeat this enemy, 808 00:51:17,991 --> 00:51:22,162 it is necessary to wage a new all-out offensive. 809 00:51:23,038 --> 00:51:28,210 Just another asshole trying to direct money, 810 00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:30,504 and power where he wanted it. 811 00:51:31,046 --> 00:51:34,049 The depth of our commitment, our national commitment 812 00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:35,091 is clear. 813 00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:38,011 And the pressure is on the criminal drug trade. 814 00:51:38,595 --> 00:51:41,306 [song playing] 815 00:51:43,141 --> 00:51:47,020 [man] Richard Lee Rathjen, Special Agent for the Internal Revenue Service. 816 00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:52,484 [Clark] I was working very closely with the Internal Revenue Service. 817 00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:53,693 Dick Rathjen. 818 00:51:55,987 --> 00:51:58,865 [man] A special group was formed within the IRS. 819 00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,701 It consisted of about 100 special agents 820 00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:05,247 under the designation of the Narcotics Traffickers Program. 821 00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:12,212 Nicholas Sand was one of the original cases assigned me. 822 00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,131 [Clark] Nick Sand had a harder edge. 823 00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:18,468 He was a typical high-level drug dealer, 824 00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:20,971 who was primarily motivated by profit. 825 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:22,681 I was never out for money. 826 00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,101 The only money I ever wanted was enough money, 827 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:29,521 to live comfortably and to make as many psychedelic 828 00:52:29,604 --> 00:52:31,314 laboratories as I could. 829 00:52:34,526 --> 00:52:36,319 [Douglas] Dick Rathjen pulled his tax returns. 830 00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:40,198 And from there the investigation just grew on the tax side. 831 00:52:42,075 --> 00:52:44,494 [Nicholas] Agent Rathjen was a very smart man. 832 00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:47,914 And he figured there were a few holes in the stories. 833 00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:52,460 [man] Mr. Sand did not report approximately $300,000 834 00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:53,587 in taxable income. 835 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,505 [interviewer] That's how they got Al Capone, right? 836 00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:56,548 Right. 837 00:52:56,965 --> 00:53:00,594 [man] He also told me he owned no assets, held no property, 838 00:53:01,052 --> 00:53:03,638 had nothing in any nominee names or anything. 839 00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:04,723 Yeah. 840 00:53:05,223 --> 00:53:08,768 Well, yeah, that was a little bit of a balls up. 841 00:53:09,603 --> 00:53:12,314 [man] In other words, he was dead broke and lived 842 00:53:12,397 --> 00:53:13,940 off his common law wife. 843 00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:17,777 We opened a criminal tax investigation 844 00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:19,070 on her at this point. 845 00:53:19,154 --> 00:53:20,947 [Jill] This is getting too heavy. 846 00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:22,574 I don't want to do this anymore. 847 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,411 Everything was obviously going to have 848 00:53:26,494 --> 00:53:28,371 to be done on a whole different level, 849 00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:31,958 assumed names, new identities. 850 00:53:35,503 --> 00:53:38,924 By that point I was already starting to think 851 00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:41,176 about training as a teacher. 852 00:53:43,345 --> 00:53:46,556 And I loved the ranch and I really, 853 00:53:47,057 --> 00:53:51,061 loved the idea of us living here and raising children here. 854 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:54,105 [interviewer] So you think he should've quit? 855 00:53:56,816 --> 00:53:57,943 I thought so. 856 00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:00,570 I thought that there were a lot of things that he could do. 857 00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,743 He wasn't going to shake this life 858 00:54:06,826 --> 00:54:09,329 so that it would be centered here. 859 00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:13,667 It was going to be centered around making psychedelics. 860 00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:18,004 [Alice] He began to take himself 861 00:54:18,088 --> 00:54:21,925 so seriously that you couldn't poke him in the side 862 00:54:22,008 --> 00:54:25,220 and say, "oh, come on, get off it." 863 00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:29,265 [Nicholas] I think anybody that has to do this job, 864 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:31,184 you had to have a big ego. 865 00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:34,104 I did something I feel was really 866 00:54:34,187 --> 00:54:38,358 good for millions of people, and I'm OK with that. 867 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:39,651 [Alice] I love him. 868 00:54:39,734 --> 00:54:41,111 I've loved him my whole life. 869 00:54:41,194 --> 00:54:44,489 But for a while he became, the best word I can think of, 870 00:54:44,572 --> 00:54:46,074 is insufferable. 871 00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:50,453 [Jill] We reached a point where I told him, 872 00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:52,539 you need to find somebody else. 873 00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:55,583 And he did. 874 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,631 [Nicholas] I went off to St. Louis with a new partner. 875 00:55:02,924 --> 00:55:05,510 I made a beautiful laboratory, two-story brick 876 00:55:05,593 --> 00:55:07,679 building in downtown St. Louis. 877 00:55:08,096 --> 00:55:12,350 I'd formed this company, Signet Research and Development. 878 00:55:13,268 --> 00:55:15,979 Everybody was very happy that industry was moving 879 00:55:16,062 --> 00:55:17,689 into this impoverished area and I 880 00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:19,941 was getting kudos from the mayor. 881 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,069 We made a lot of beautiful psychedelics. 882 00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:25,822 And we were right out in the open. 883 00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:29,367 One more job, one more paycheck. 884 00:55:31,369 --> 00:55:33,288 We didn't really accept checks though. 885 00:55:39,252 --> 00:55:42,047 [man] We went through all the bank accounts for Nicholas Sand 886 00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:45,675 and a number of other accounts we located, William Hitchcock, 887 00:55:45,967 --> 00:55:47,510 Robert Timothy Scully. 888 00:55:48,887 --> 00:55:50,221 [Scully] I was very scared. 889 00:55:51,598 --> 00:55:53,808 If Nick kept on cooking, he would 890 00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:58,271 eventually bring down all of us in a huge conspiracy case. 891 00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:02,609 Billy and I tried to talk him into taking some time out, 892 00:56:02,692 --> 00:56:04,486 just the way Don Douglas had tried to talk 893 00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:05,904 me into taking time out. 894 00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:08,615 [Billy] Nick was totally 895 00:56:08,698 --> 00:56:11,284 irresponsible in the way he was going about his business. 896 00:56:11,576 --> 00:56:13,411 And he was jeopardizing everyone else who 897 00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:15,080 was involved in the Windsor lab. 898 00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:20,001 [Scully] Nick responded by saying that it was that none 899 00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,753 of our business what he did. 900 00:56:22,462 --> 00:56:25,381 And after all, hadn't we agreed to try to turn on the world. 901 00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:30,303 [Clark] That's pretty common with a high level traffickers. 902 00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:31,971 They must have their own addiction, 903 00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:35,892 because they often continued a business way beyond what, you know, 904 00:56:35,975 --> 00:56:37,268 prudence would dictate. 905 00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:48,029 [Clark] On top of that, 906 00:56:48,113 --> 00:56:51,491 I'd slowly been getting less and less enthusiastic, 907 00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:53,076 about what I'd been doing. 908 00:56:54,577 --> 00:56:57,747 Things were looking somewhat darker in Haight-Ashbury. 909 00:57:02,335 --> 00:57:04,587 That group that was still left in the Haight-Ashbury started 910 00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:08,299 to seem more like lost souls. The age of the flower children 911 00:57:08,383 --> 00:57:09,634 was gone. 912 00:57:10,426 --> 00:57:11,719 It was a lot more methamphetamine. 913 00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:14,347 There was a lot more murders and violence. 914 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:17,058 There was more presence of the Hell's Angels 915 00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:18,518 and other motorcycle groups. 916 00:57:20,478 --> 00:57:21,563 It was a trip. 917 00:57:23,022 --> 00:57:25,275 [Scully] People that I knew had peak experiences 918 00:57:25,358 --> 00:57:27,318 and had the experience of oneness, 919 00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:31,990 still treating each other really badly and dishonestly. 920 00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:36,077 I still believe that LSD was a good thing. 921 00:57:36,494 --> 00:57:39,456 But I was no longer convinced that it was the solution 922 00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:40,623 to the world's problems. 923 00:57:56,556 --> 00:57:59,058 But I got turned on to biofeedback instruments. 924 00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:04,981 I'm going to measure the electrical activity 925 00:58:05,064 --> 00:58:08,568 of my brain, as it leaks out onto the scalp. 926 00:58:11,821 --> 00:58:13,239 [ELECTRICAL BUZZING] 927 00:58:21,706 --> 00:58:24,501 There were some early studies done that related the brain waves 928 00:58:24,584 --> 00:58:29,464 of Zen monks yoga masters to particular brain wave patterns, 929 00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:30,882 when they were meditating. 930 00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:35,762 I saw brainwave biofeedback as a possible way of teaching people 931 00:58:35,845 --> 00:58:38,264 to reach that state of oneness with the universe, 932 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,183 without having to use drugs. 933 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:43,520 [interviewer] So you're still trying to turn the world on? 934 00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:46,689 In a kinder, gentler way. Yeah. 935 00:58:49,734 --> 00:58:53,863 And then in late 1971, I got a phone call telling me, 936 00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,074 I was off the hook for the Denver lab, 937 00:58:57,575 --> 00:59:00,745 because the police hadn't gotten a search warrant. 938 00:59:01,037 --> 00:59:02,288 The state Supreme Court had ruled 939 00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:04,040 that the search was illegal. 940 00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:07,043 And it was tremendously liberating. 941 00:59:07,252 --> 00:59:10,797 The road ahead was clear for doing research 942 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,257 in lots of different directions. 943 00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:16,135 Unless Nick did something really foolish, 944 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,765 I'd somehow managed to escape getting punished 945 00:59:20,848 --> 00:59:22,016 for what I'd been doing. 946 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,196 [Nicholas] So here I am in St. Louis. 947 00:59:35,488 --> 00:59:37,407 It's getting very cold in Missouri. 948 00:59:37,782 --> 00:59:41,452 And we decide to go traveling in Mexico and taking a vacation. 949 00:59:43,955 --> 00:59:48,209 Unbeknownst to me, a water pipe broke in the house. 950 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,462 And the neighbors, they could see 951 00:59:51,713 --> 00:59:53,673 water running down the stairs. 952 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,346 The sheriff for that town breaks in. 953 01:00:01,514 --> 01:00:03,266 They go up to my bedroom. 954 01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:06,269 They find the leak in the bathroom nearby. 955 01:00:07,228 --> 01:00:12,734 They also go into my closet, and they find some psychedelics. 956 01:00:15,153 --> 01:00:17,405 And then they discovered the lab. 957 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,409 [man] Powder LSD capable of producing over 958 01:00:21,492 --> 01:00:23,536 fourteen million tablets of Orange Sunshine 959 01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:24,871 was found in two locations. 960 01:00:27,957 --> 01:00:29,250 [Nicholas] It was in all the papers. 961 01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:32,337 I just didn't happen to see the papers. 962 01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:35,923 [indistinct radio chatter] 963 01:00:40,386 --> 01:00:41,721 [Nicholas] When I pulled up... 964 01:00:42,555 --> 01:00:45,099 [police] Driver, step outside slowly. 965 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,273 Five heavy duty guys with shotguns jumped out and said... 966 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:56,736 If you make any sudden moves, you'll be shot immediately. 967 01:00:58,946 --> 01:01:00,073 What a country. 968 01:01:00,865 --> 01:01:03,451 Keep your hands away from your body and drop full down. 969 01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:08,289 [Scully] It was an "oh, shit" moment. 970 01:01:09,457 --> 01:01:10,875 Not that they have busted Nick, 971 01:01:10,958 --> 01:01:12,835 I think I'm in deeper hot water. 972 01:01:13,878 --> 01:01:15,755 I suspected there was a good chance that Nick 973 01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:17,382 would have things with him, 974 01:01:17,465 --> 01:01:19,759 that would be used as evidence against me. 975 01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:25,807 Marijuana, LSD, some mescaline. 976 01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:28,559 [Scully] I made a personal bet that he'd probably still 977 01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:32,814 have that flow chart with him, that showed him the process 978 01:01:33,314 --> 01:01:34,982 for making LSD on one page. 979 01:01:37,777 --> 01:01:39,028 It turned out he did. 980 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:47,745 [man] Is the gamble of drug exploration worth this? 981 01:01:48,871 --> 01:01:52,417 Is it worth the physical and mental risk as well? 982 01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:02,176 [Scully] Well a grand jury was convened specifically 983 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:05,638 to investigate Nick, Billy, and I. 984 01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:13,688 I eventually hid out in a friend's house. 985 01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:18,735 While I was there, I got a phone call from Billy Hitchcock. 986 01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:23,781 And he told me, "I have bad news for you." 987 01:02:27,618 --> 01:02:29,412 [man] Would you say that you were a close 988 01:02:29,495 --> 01:02:31,497 personal friend of Mr. Scully? 989 01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:33,207 [Billy] Yes, I would. 990 01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:37,128 I advised him of my tax problems. 991 01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:39,714 I told him I was cooperating with the government 992 01:02:39,797 --> 01:02:41,924 where I would have to reveal the whole situation. 993 01:02:44,051 --> 01:02:47,221 [Scully] He'd been indicted for income tax evasion, 994 01:02:47,388 --> 01:02:49,098 and he didn't see any other way out. 995 01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,602 [Clark] Billy wasn't the final piece in the puzzle. 996 01:02:52,685 --> 01:02:55,271 He was that one in the middle that you'd spend a half an hour 997 01:02:55,354 --> 01:02:56,397 looking for. 998 01:02:56,564 --> 01:02:58,483 And then once you find that one, everything, 999 01:02:58,649 --> 01:03:00,109 seems to fall into place. 1000 01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:05,156 [Scully] Owsley and Nick Sand gave Billy 1001 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,867 large amounts of money to send offshore 1002 01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:09,202 into Swiss bank accounts. 1003 01:03:10,703 --> 01:03:13,581 [Nicholas] He would launder money for us. 1004 01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:15,750 Noble he was not. 1005 01:03:18,878 --> 01:03:20,129 [Gordon] It's just like fishing. 1006 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:23,216 You reel it in, and you look at it, and you figure, 1007 01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:24,759 I can get a bigger one than this. 1008 01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:28,554 So I'll tell him, "hey, you know, I'll throw you back, 1009 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:30,097 if you can give me somebody else." 1010 01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:35,978 [Nicholas] My lawyer came and read off 1011 01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:38,564 the names of the unindicted co-conspirators. 1012 01:03:39,398 --> 01:03:40,983 I said, "Lenny, put it plain. 1013 01:03:41,067 --> 01:03:43,236 What's an unindicted co-conspirator?" 1014 01:03:43,486 --> 01:03:44,904 He said, "a snitch. 1015 01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:48,366 Someone who has turned state's evidence against you." 1016 01:03:48,699 --> 01:03:49,992 I said, "Billy?" 1017 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:54,080 It's just another example of idealism 1018 01:03:54,163 --> 01:03:55,915 fading in the face of reality. 1019 01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:02,255 [Scully] He offered to loan me $10,000, which he encouraged 1020 01:04:02,338 --> 01:04:04,423 me to use to hire a lawyer, 1021 01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:07,218 so that I could also turn and become a government witness. 1022 01:04:07,552 --> 01:04:08,928 Anybody can be turned. 1023 01:04:09,762 --> 01:04:12,348 The question is, how much do you have to give 1024 01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:14,100 them in order for them to turn? 1025 01:04:15,977 --> 01:04:18,271 [Nicholas] He said, Tim is considering whether or not 1026 01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:20,106 to turn state's evidence. 1027 01:04:21,023 --> 01:04:22,733 [Scully] Do the same thing I did and make 1028 01:04:22,817 --> 01:04:23,985 a deal with the government. 1029 01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:26,362 I was shocked, 1030 01:04:26,904 --> 01:04:28,990 right down to the soles of my feet. 1031 01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:31,033 [Scully] I said, I'll take the money 1032 01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:32,869 and I'll make my best choice. 1033 01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:34,495 I couldn't believe it. 1034 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:57,435 Remain seated and come to order, court will begin in session. 1035 01:04:57,852 --> 01:04:59,896 [Scully] I realized that if I did become a witness 1036 01:04:59,979 --> 01:05:01,939 against Nick, that I would end up 1037 01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:04,692 feeling really bad about myself for the rest of my life. 1038 01:05:04,775 --> 01:05:05,860 All right. 1039 01:05:05,943 --> 01:05:08,029 Ladies and gentlemen, this next case... 1040 01:05:08,446 --> 01:05:09,864 [Scully] The way I'd end up feeling best 1041 01:05:09,947 --> 01:05:12,950 about myself would be if I faced the music 1042 01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,785 and tried to fight the charges. 1043 01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:21,542 Billy ended up testifying for a couple of days. 1044 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,753 His testimony was pretty damning. 1045 01:05:27,048 --> 01:05:30,676 [Billy] They were manufacturing LSD, somewhere between 1046 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,386 three and four million tabs. 1047 01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:35,014 Pretty painful to hear. 1048 01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:38,309 [Billy] Scully made just about a million tablets. 1049 01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,520 They knew what we did and where we did it. 1050 01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,231 [Billy] Nick came to the Bahamas. 1051 01:05:45,232 --> 01:05:47,944 [Nicholas] There's a word that kind of describes Billy. 1052 01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:51,614 It's in Yiddish, but it-- it is such a perfect word. 1053 01:05:51,697 --> 01:05:52,907 He's a schlub. 1054 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:54,867 [Billy] Yes. 1055 01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:56,118 I met with Mike Randall. 1056 01:05:58,245 --> 01:06:00,247 [Mike] Billy Hitchcock's a punk and he always was. 1057 01:06:00,331 --> 01:06:01,540 He's a rich guy. 1058 01:06:02,124 --> 01:06:04,418 Don't try to take a rich guy's money away. 1059 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,631 [Jill] I never held that against Billy. 1060 01:06:09,006 --> 01:06:11,092 I think most people would save themselves. 1061 01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:14,553 The stupid thing was bringing him to the laboratory. 1062 01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:16,305 That he had something-- 1063 01:06:16,722 --> 01:06:18,516 you know, there were a lot of those blunders 1064 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:23,521 all along the line that were just... yeah, just showoff 1065 01:06:23,604 --> 01:06:25,314 maneuvers that were dumb. 1066 01:06:26,232 --> 01:06:28,359 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury-- 1067 01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:31,112 [Nicholas] The trial judge, Samuel Conti, 1068 01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:33,280 is known as Hanging Sam. 1069 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,117 Oh, Judge Conti was a fine American. 1070 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,743 He was one of our favorite judges. 1071 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,287 Judge Conti was tough. 1072 01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:42,081 But I think fair. 1073 01:06:42,164 --> 01:06:44,083 The events which are the subject of this proceeding... 1074 01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,293 [Scully] In one of the pretrial proceedings, 1075 01:06:47,461 --> 01:06:49,630 he said he wished he had access to the death penalty 1076 01:06:49,714 --> 01:06:51,924 in our case, which gave us a pretty 1077 01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,468 good clue of what he was going to do in terms of sentencing. 1078 01:06:54,802 --> 01:06:56,637 And the man was just-- 1079 01:06:56,721 --> 01:06:58,222 Objection, your honor. Motion to strike. 1080 01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:00,433 Why don't you both approach the bench. 1081 01:07:01,809 --> 01:07:05,271 [Nicholas] Every motion that we made, Conti just denied, 1082 01:07:05,521 --> 01:07:08,441 interrupted our lawyers, yelled at them. 1083 01:07:08,774 --> 01:07:12,486 I mean, he's a sick man. 1084 01:07:13,863 --> 01:07:16,407 It was blow after blow after blow. 1085 01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:20,036 And they had 63 witnesses for the prosecution. 1086 01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:24,040 They spent one or two million dollars. 1087 01:07:24,498 --> 01:07:28,002 I feel pretty proud that it cost them that much to get me. 1088 01:07:28,377 --> 01:07:32,048 And I'm just one little guy, you know, with a good idea. 1089 01:07:34,341 --> 01:07:35,426 [Scully] When I got on the stand, 1090 01:07:35,509 --> 01:07:37,261 I really wanted to try to explain 1091 01:07:37,344 --> 01:07:39,305 why we made psychedelics. 1092 01:07:41,182 --> 01:07:43,476 I actually did convince the judge 1093 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,561 that there was a chance that I was an idealist 1094 01:07:45,644 --> 01:07:47,229 rather than in it for the money. 1095 01:07:48,355 --> 01:07:49,815 But when he sentenced me, he said, 1096 01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:51,859 "idealists are the most dangerous kind." 1097 01:07:52,943 --> 01:07:55,738 And socked it to me with 20 years. 1098 01:07:58,365 --> 01:08:02,161 Mr. Scully is a brilliant man, but not very smart. 1099 01:08:02,787 --> 01:08:05,247 An idealist without a conscience. 1100 01:08:06,832 --> 01:08:09,668 He was impeding justice and impeding 1101 01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:14,381 the moral lives and well-being of many, many citizens. 1102 01:08:18,135 --> 01:08:20,971 [Nicholas] Heroically, he stood up for us, 1103 01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:23,182 and really got slammed for it. 1104 01:08:24,683 --> 01:08:26,352 He got a 20-year sentence. 1105 01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:28,813 I got only a 15-year sentence. 1106 01:08:32,066 --> 01:08:33,526 That was a really bad moment. 1107 01:08:34,693 --> 01:08:37,530 And I didn't have long in the courtroom to think about it. 1108 01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:43,202 I was whisked away pretty quickly into the holding cell. 1109 01:08:46,997 --> 01:08:49,834 [Clark] Deep in my heart I have some sympathy for all 1110 01:08:49,917 --> 01:08:51,252 the people who went to prison. 1111 01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:54,880 I don't really have sympathy on the basis of the chronology. 1112 01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:56,841 Maybe he is not doing it anymore 1113 01:08:56,924 --> 01:08:58,425 and doesn't intend to do it anymore. 1114 01:08:58,509 --> 01:09:03,264 But the fact is, he did it, and he was an important trafficker. 1115 01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:07,393 And an example has to be set for other people 1116 01:09:07,476 --> 01:09:08,811 who want to enter the business. 1117 01:09:09,562 --> 01:09:10,938 [Scully] I climbed up on the bunk 1118 01:09:11,021 --> 01:09:12,565 and pulled the blanket over my head 1119 01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:14,984 and cried for a while cause I thought, 1120 01:09:15,067 --> 01:09:17,778 it was going to be pretty scary being in prison for a long time. 1121 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:19,363 I was going to get sent where all 1122 01:09:19,446 --> 01:09:22,408 those tough guys were that I didn't get along with very well 1123 01:09:22,491 --> 01:09:23,325 in high school. 1124 01:09:31,333 --> 01:09:33,836 [man] It's McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary, 1125 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:37,506 the oldest federal penal facility in the United States. 1126 01:09:38,591 --> 01:09:40,593 [Scully] I was sent up to NcNeil Island, 1127 01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:43,470 in link and belly chains and handcuffs. 1128 01:09:47,099 --> 01:09:49,226 They put you through a delousing procedure, 1129 01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:53,522 take away your clothes and put you through a special shower, 1130 01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:54,648 a medicinal scrub. 1131 01:09:54,982 --> 01:09:58,485 When I first drove up I made a naive venture, first up. 1132 01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:01,572 [Scully] There were guys who had been in motorcycle gangs. 1133 01:10:01,655 --> 01:10:02,948 Guys were there for murder. 1134 01:10:03,032 --> 01:10:04,366 There was one Eskimo who was there 1135 01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:05,951 for eating his whole family. 1136 01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:09,872 They were generally a fairly intimidating lot. 1137 01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,791 [prisoner] I couldn't begin to tell you how many people in here 1138 01:10:12,875 --> 01:10:15,711 have had encounters that they didn't want. 1139 01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:18,714 [Scully] A lot of the guys were frightened, 1140 01:10:19,381 --> 01:10:20,925 they would be turned into a punk, 1141 01:10:21,217 --> 01:10:23,552 and be raped by the other prisoners. 1142 01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:28,349 [prisoner] It's part of the dehumanization process. 1143 01:10:28,432 --> 01:10:31,352 There's only one way to do time, 1144 01:10:31,435 --> 01:10:33,812 and that's to do it one day at a time. 1145 01:10:34,188 --> 01:10:36,523 That's the only way you can, and keep your sanity. 1146 01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:42,112 [Scully] I did have a little difficulty at first 1147 01:10:42,196 --> 01:10:44,949 because a number of people tried to make me offers I couldn't 1148 01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:47,284 refuse to become the distributor for all 1149 01:10:47,368 --> 01:10:48,827 the drugs they expected I was going 1150 01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:50,204 to be bringing into the prison. 1151 01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:54,500 The answer I gave all of them was, "just wait for my crime partner 1152 01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:56,043 to get here. I don't have any drugs." 1153 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,005 [Nicholas] Usually crime partners, 1154 01:11:00,089 --> 01:11:02,508 as they're referred to, are kept separate. 1155 01:11:02,967 --> 01:11:05,678 For some reason they put us together. 1156 01:11:06,929 --> 01:11:09,682 We were bunkies. He had the top bunk. I had the bottom bunk. 1157 01:11:13,852 --> 01:11:17,648 My girlfriend at the time would come to the prison. 1158 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:20,526 And she would have a balloon with a variety 1159 01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:21,860 of psychedelics in it. 1160 01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:25,572 [song playing] 1161 01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:34,164 When we got up to be allowed our one hug and kiss, 1162 01:11:34,498 --> 01:11:37,418 she put the balloon from her mouth into mine 1163 01:11:37,501 --> 01:11:38,919 and I swallowed it. 1164 01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:42,256 I had to shit it out, and I had to clean it up, 1165 01:11:42,339 --> 01:11:43,716 and then I had to unwrap it. 1166 01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:46,677 And then I had to figure some way of dosing it out. 1167 01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:48,887 He starting running sessions in the cell. 1168 01:11:54,226 --> 01:11:56,103 He would typically do it after lights out. 1169 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,814 He'd open the door to his locker where he had 1170 01:11:58,897 --> 01:12:01,483 a picture of Ganesh pasted in the door. 1171 01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:04,320 He'd light a candle and he and the other folks 1172 01:12:04,403 --> 01:12:05,988 who were getting high would sit around, 1173 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,283 shielded from the guard's vision as they walked by. 1174 01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:12,328 I mean, he's a great session guide. 1175 01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:20,336 We formed an eight man psychedelic cell. 1176 01:12:20,711 --> 01:12:22,463 Had a mafia guy in it. 1177 01:12:22,546 --> 01:12:25,507 He took acid with us, because he wasn't a pussy. 1178 01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:30,804 As he came out of that session he said, "hey guys, you know, 1179 01:12:31,138 --> 01:12:34,641 that's the first time I've been in church in 30 years." 1180 01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:43,859 I began to monitor the delivery of food. 1181 01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:49,573 Somehow I got some LSD in there and the word got out. 1182 01:12:53,952 --> 01:12:55,871 Everybody would rather take LSD 1183 01:12:55,954 --> 01:12:57,998 than being just sitting in jail, right. 1184 01:12:58,332 --> 01:13:02,961 We got the whole of the prison stoned. 1185 01:13:05,631 --> 01:13:07,633 This is what freedom is really about. 1186 01:13:08,008 --> 01:13:10,219 It's not about not being in chains. 1187 01:13:10,302 --> 01:13:12,846 It's about not having your mind enslaved. 1188 01:13:21,855 --> 01:13:23,732 [Scully] I just didn't take part in it. 1189 01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:27,152 I went to bed and read a book if the lights were still on. 1190 01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:29,488 And when the lights went out I always went to sleep. 1191 01:13:31,907 --> 01:13:34,159 The prison library was in terrible shape. 1192 01:13:35,452 --> 01:13:37,788 I offered to update the card catalogs 1193 01:13:37,871 --> 01:13:39,164 so it would be accurate. 1194 01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:41,333 And the librarian said, "OK, you're hired." 1195 01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:45,170 [Nicholas] Tim got up in the morning as soon as the gates were open. 1196 01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:46,922 Boom, stayed there all day. 1197 01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:51,468 He was studying the case, trying to find constitutional issues, 1198 01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:53,303 that would help get us off. 1199 01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:02,062 [Scully] Judge Conti had set our bail 1200 01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:05,399 at a very, very high figure, half a million dollars each. 1201 01:14:09,069 --> 01:14:10,446 We filed bail appeals. 1202 01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:14,783 So we both got out on appeal bond. 1203 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,537 [Nicholas] And it was a big relief. 1204 01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:20,956 [guard] Get in your cells! 1205 01:14:21,665 --> 01:14:23,375 [Scully] I said goodbye to Nick in prison. 1206 01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:27,546 I remember wishing him luck. 1207 01:14:37,181 --> 01:14:40,350 [Nicholas] I couldn't really focus on anything for a while. 1208 01:14:41,268 --> 01:14:44,396 It's hard to come back in after you've been in that system. 1209 01:14:44,771 --> 01:14:47,941 The system changes you and not for the better. 1210 01:14:54,281 --> 01:14:56,366 [Scully] It took a few months for the Supreme Court 1211 01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:58,535 to decline to hear my case. 1212 01:14:59,369 --> 01:15:01,497 And when I heard we'd lost that appeal, 1213 01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:05,209 I wasn't tremendously surprised, but I was really disappointed. 1214 01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:08,504 I was doing everything I could to get 1215 01:15:08,587 --> 01:15:10,005 ready to go back to prison. 1216 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:22,851 [Nicholas] I had a little houseboat in Sausalito. 1217 01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:26,772 I was living there with my Buddha 1218 01:15:26,855 --> 01:15:29,983 and all my Persian carpets that I liked to collect. 1219 01:15:31,693 --> 01:15:34,321 And we were just sitting down preparing, 1220 01:15:34,696 --> 01:15:38,617 for a psychedelic session that I was going to be guiding, 1221 01:15:38,825 --> 01:15:41,453 for 12 people from the Bay Area. 1222 01:15:42,287 --> 01:15:45,040 As I was finishing up all the preparations, 1223 01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:49,336 Nancy came in and said, "we've got to get you out of here." 1224 01:15:54,466 --> 01:15:56,343 I just got a call from Tim. 1225 01:15:56,426 --> 01:15:58,720 They have denied your appeal. 1226 01:15:59,346 --> 01:16:01,932 And you're going to be picked up in a few days 1227 01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:03,058 and taken to prison. 1228 01:16:03,141 --> 01:16:04,101 Good to see you, darling. 1229 01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:05,018 Yes. 1230 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:10,857 [Nancy] I met Nick in 1969. 1231 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,861 He turned me on to Orange Sunshine. 1232 01:16:15,153 --> 01:16:16,572 I think this one might be better. 1233 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:19,992 And I didn't leave that room for three days. 1234 01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:26,373 And I must say, I fell madly in love with that person 1235 01:16:26,456 --> 01:16:27,791 and what he was. 1236 01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:29,876 [man] Was Nick very handsome? 1237 01:16:30,335 --> 01:16:31,295 Yes. 1238 01:16:31,378 --> 01:16:33,505 He was different than he is now. 1239 01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:34,715 [Nicholas] What do you mean, was? 1240 01:16:34,798 --> 01:16:36,216 What is this negative shit? 1241 01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:37,759 [Nancy] He still is. 1242 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:43,140 I was a part of this psychedelic revolution. 1243 01:16:43,974 --> 01:16:46,685 He knew that he could count on me, 1244 01:16:47,477 --> 01:16:50,606 to help him in any way that was needed. 1245 01:16:53,191 --> 01:16:54,985 We knew that we had to get out of there. 1246 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,570 Ah, here we go. 1247 01:16:59,406 --> 01:17:01,199 [Clark] When they lowered Nick Sand's bond, 1248 01:17:01,283 --> 01:17:03,118 I knew he would run and he did. 1249 01:17:03,952 --> 01:17:06,371 And I said, watch your rear view mirror. 1250 01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:10,500 If you see any cars pulling out behind of us suddenly, 1251 01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:11,668 we've got a tail. 1252 01:17:12,836 --> 01:17:14,171 [Nancy] Lo and behold, there 1253 01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:16,840 was one of them in my view mirror 1254 01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:19,217 and I thought, oh, shoot. 1255 01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:22,387 I said, "OK, we've been made." 1256 01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:24,640 [Clark] They knew what they were doing. 1257 01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:26,058 They weren't easy to follow. 1258 01:17:27,225 --> 01:17:30,187 [Nicholas] I said, "drive over to Mill Valley." 1259 01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:34,816 And we parked behind a row of cedars. 1260 01:17:35,233 --> 01:17:40,447 We would see the same car driving up, driving back. 1261 01:17:41,073 --> 01:17:42,449 [Clark] They did their tricks. 1262 01:17:42,532 --> 01:17:43,700 We did our tricks. 1263 01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:46,411 It came down to a matter of who did their tricks better. 1264 01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:50,207 [Nicholas] I had a sense of their timing. 1265 01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:52,959 And soon as they passed going to the right, 1266 01:17:53,043 --> 01:17:54,419 I said, "get out of here. 1267 01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:57,881 Go left. Make your first right. 1268 01:17:57,964 --> 01:17:59,132 Make your second left. 1269 01:17:59,216 --> 01:18:00,384 Make your second right." 1270 01:18:02,094 --> 01:18:03,595 [Nancy] We just had to go all those little 1271 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,223 residential areas and go shh, shh, shh, shh. 1272 01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:10,185 [Nicholas] Get us over the mountain. 1273 01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:12,688 And we got up there. 1274 01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:15,440 And I said, "wow, we're clean. 1275 01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:18,735 We got away. Now we just have to figure out where to go from here." 1276 01:18:28,370 --> 01:18:29,913 [Scully] I had heard that Nick had vanished. 1277 01:18:30,664 --> 01:18:33,375 I told all my friends, "if you hear from Nick, 1278 01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:35,544 please don't tell me where he is or what he's doing," 1279 01:18:35,627 --> 01:18:37,295 because I really don't want to know. 1280 01:18:37,671 --> 01:18:39,381 I didn't want to be part of whatever... 1281 01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:42,926 the next conspiracy might be. 1282 01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:52,436 My mother and my girlfriend at the time drove me up, 1283 01:18:53,019 --> 01:18:55,897 and I took the ferry across to the prison. 1284 01:18:57,983 --> 01:19:00,569 What I told myself was that if all else failed, 1285 01:19:00,652 --> 01:19:03,113 I'd figure out how to escape if I couldn't stand it. 1286 01:19:03,196 --> 01:19:06,408 But I thought I'd figure out a way of doing the time. 1287 01:19:19,004 --> 01:19:20,630 [Nancy] Well the plan was to drive 1288 01:19:20,714 --> 01:19:25,260 to Oregon and Washington until Nick 1289 01:19:25,343 --> 01:19:28,930 was able to walk over into Canada. 1290 01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:32,017 He certainly didn't go to sleep. 1291 01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:34,478 I think we just drove the whole time. 1292 01:19:39,816 --> 01:19:42,277 [Nicholas] We went up on the most obscure route 1293 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,615 you could say, all the way through the forest for hundreds of miles, 1294 01:19:46,698 --> 01:19:48,408 up the Olympic peninsula. 1295 01:19:49,993 --> 01:19:55,290 After a few days journey, I got some halfway decent ID. 1296 01:19:56,625 --> 01:19:58,293 Nick Sand was gone. 1297 01:20:02,005 --> 01:20:06,510 I went and bought a fishing rod lures, weights, tackle box. 1298 01:20:08,261 --> 01:20:10,096 Now I could make my escape. 1299 01:20:12,599 --> 01:20:13,725 Good morning, sir. 1300 01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:14,768 Good morning, sir. 1301 01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:17,062 [Nicholas] When I reached Canada, 1302 01:20:17,354 --> 01:20:20,899 a little white-haired bouncy immigration 1303 01:20:20,982 --> 01:20:24,027 officer said, "and what is the purpose of your visit, sir?" 1304 01:20:24,736 --> 01:20:28,907 I had my pole and my tackle box and my fishing jacket on. 1305 01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:31,034 And I said, "come on. 1306 01:20:31,117 --> 01:20:32,494 You got to be kidding." 1307 01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:34,663 He said, "go on. Have a great time." 1308 01:20:51,137 --> 01:20:52,806 [Clark] I ran the fugitive investigation on it 1309 01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,432 for awhile. But we had no leads. 1310 01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:57,477 You know, the man had had numerous names 1311 01:20:57,561 --> 01:20:59,062 and traveled all over the world. 1312 01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:02,774 We'd hear reports of possible sightings. 1313 01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:07,696 But I don't recall that we even came close. 1314 01:21:09,447 --> 01:21:11,825 [Nicholas] So I disappeared and continued my mission. 1315 01:21:12,325 --> 01:21:14,452 I lived as a fugitive in Canada. 1316 01:21:14,536 --> 01:21:16,621 And I carried on making psychedelics 1317 01:21:16,705 --> 01:21:17,998 for the next 20 years. 1318 01:21:18,707 --> 01:21:20,959 [Clark] If anybody beat the system it was Nick Sand. 1319 01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:22,711 [laughter] 1320 01:21:24,087 --> 01:21:27,465 [song playing] 1321 01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:58,872 [Scully] I was granted admission as a PhD candidate, 1322 01:21:59,748 --> 01:22:01,958 so that I could be a student while I was in prison. 1323 01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:05,754 I ended up by getting a PhD in psychology. 1324 01:22:06,212 --> 01:22:08,590 I had a lot of help from people on the outside 1325 01:22:08,673 --> 01:22:10,467 who got my sentence reduced to ten years, 1326 01:22:12,469 --> 01:22:15,347 which made me eligible for parole in three and third years. 1327 01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:20,977 I pretty rapidly got absorbed by the whole computer world. 1328 01:22:22,771 --> 01:22:24,898 It turned out that having made LSD 1329 01:22:24,981 --> 01:22:28,151 was a positive thing in the computer business. 1330 01:22:36,993 --> 01:22:40,538 [Alice] Tim and I were lovers for a while in late '60s. 1331 01:22:40,622 --> 01:22:43,416 And then we didn't see one another for years. 1332 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,464 But the more the years went by, the more mellow he became. 1333 01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:51,716 He's like a cat. 1334 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,385 You slowly get to know him. 1335 01:22:53,468 --> 01:22:56,930 A cat reveals their personality to you rather slowly. 1336 01:22:58,348 --> 01:23:00,475 As we've gotten older, we've figured out, 1337 01:23:00,558 --> 01:23:02,310 both of us, what we really want, 1338 01:23:02,394 --> 01:23:06,564 which is to be partners and lovers and not 1339 01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:08,066 to live under the same roof. 1340 01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:10,986 And that's worked wonderfully well. 1341 01:23:21,413 --> 01:23:23,748 [Scully] I scaled back my ambitions, 1342 01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:26,042 to trying to just make my own life, 1343 01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:28,837 and the lives of the people that I care 1344 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,797 about be as good as possible. 1345 01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:37,345 This is not perfect but I'm doing the best I can. 1346 01:23:39,139 --> 01:23:40,890 That's all we can do, you know. 1347 01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:05,206 Perhaps at the bottom there are some 1348 01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:08,960 of the chemical manuals from the different chemical houses. 1349 01:24:10,712 --> 01:24:13,590 This, packed into the corner, is the great big steel 1350 01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:14,799 reactionary flasks. 1351 01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:15,925 It's like a big pressure cooker. 1352 01:24:16,009 --> 01:24:17,635 They can cook it under pressure. 1353 01:24:19,596 --> 01:24:20,805 [Clark] I'd forgotten about him. 1354 01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:24,434 It was a huge shock to me the magnitudes of the laboratory. 1355 01:24:24,934 --> 01:24:27,228 [man] Practical LSD manufacture. 1356 01:24:28,188 --> 01:24:30,148 Drug smuggling, the Forbidden Book. 1357 01:24:30,482 --> 01:24:31,983 [Clark] That he'd gone that long without getting 1358 01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:34,402 caught, and then when he got caught that he was involved 1359 01:24:34,486 --> 01:24:36,529 in such an apparently big way. 1360 01:24:38,281 --> 01:24:39,824 [man 1] Psychedelic log. 1361 01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,368 [man 2] MDA, DMT. 1362 01:24:42,619 --> 01:24:43,828 [man 1] Acetic acid. 1363 01:24:44,454 --> 01:24:46,956 [man 2] I don't know if there's much he hasn't tried his hand at. 1364 01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:48,374 [Clark] I knew he was sharp 1365 01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:51,044 but I was still surprised. 1366 01:24:51,211 --> 01:24:52,796 -[man 1] Chromatography. -[man 2] "Chromatography"? 1367 01:24:52,962 --> 01:24:54,130 He knows his stuff, doesn't he? 1368 01:24:54,214 --> 01:24:55,131 [man 1] Yeah. 1369 01:24:55,215 --> 01:24:57,509 [Nicholas] I was eventually arrested with enough acid, 1370 01:24:57,926 --> 01:25:00,512 to dose the whole of Canada two times over. 1371 01:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,640 And they sent me back to stand trial in the US. 1372 01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:07,727 By some great coincidence, they got 1373 01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:10,230 me back in front of Sam Conti. 1374 01:25:11,397 --> 01:25:13,399 They brought him out of retirement, 1375 01:25:14,317 --> 01:25:16,778 so he could get me again. 1376 01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,075 I'm a warrior for peace. 1377 01:25:23,326 --> 01:25:24,410 I can take it. 1378 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,997 [song playing] 1379 01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:37,567 [Scully] Sure beats working in the yard at McNeil Island. 1380 01:26:38,359 --> 01:26:39,611 [Nicholas] That's for sure. 1381 01:26:41,029 --> 01:26:44,199 [song playing] 1382 01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:32,492 [instrumental music playing] 104205

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