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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:05,775 --> 00:00:07,455 _. 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,547 Land soaks up trauma. 4 00:00:12,548 --> 00:00:15,283 I got this flashing vision. 5 00:00:15,284 --> 00:00:17,519 It spelled out bloody murder. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,654 [Woman screams] 7 00:00:19,655 --> 00:00:23,291 I had never experienced anything like this. 8 00:00:23,292 --> 00:00:26,494 There was this beast on this Earth. 9 00:00:26,495 --> 00:00:29,164 There was a huge sense of urgency. 10 00:00:29,165 --> 00:00:33,568 We knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that this guy was gonna strike again. 11 00:00:33,569 --> 00:00:35,804 Somebody help! 12 00:00:35,805 --> 00:00:38,925 The clock was ticking. 13 00:00:43,611 --> 00:00:45,291 _. 14 00:00:50,518 --> 00:00:52,198 _. 15 00:00:56,025 --> 00:01:00,945 Amie Hoffman went missing on November 23, 1982. 16 00:01:01,825 --> 00:01:03,280 Back in 1982, 17 00:01:03,281 --> 00:01:09,181 I was Commander of Investigations of the Parsippany Police Department. 18 00:01:09,739 --> 00:01:12,738 Amie Hoffman was a resident of our town. 19 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:18,480 We had found Amie's car, and her pocketbook was left on the front seat. 20 00:01:18,481 --> 00:01:20,882 The driver's door was left open. 21 00:01:20,883 --> 00:01:23,585 We didn't know whether she was abducted. 22 00:01:23,586 --> 00:01:26,388 We didn't know whether she ran away. 23 00:01:26,389 --> 00:01:31,729 We just didn't know the reason why she was missing. 24 00:01:36,299 --> 00:01:38,243 It was a couple of nights before Thanksgiving, 25 00:01:38,244 --> 00:01:40,579 and I was preparing for Thanksgiving dinner. 26 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:42,270 [Children laughing] 27 00:01:42,271 --> 00:01:45,440 Give that back to your sister right now! 28 00:01:45,441 --> 00:01:48,741 I was recently separated. 29 00:01:49,011 --> 00:01:51,958 At the time, my son was 8 and my daughter, 13. 30 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:54,503 I was busy. I had a very busy life. 31 00:01:54,504 --> 00:01:56,046 Give it back to your sister! 32 00:01:56,047 --> 00:01:58,627 [Timer buzzing] 33 00:01:58,754 --> 00:02:00,322 [Groans] 34 00:02:00,323 --> 00:02:01,756 [Phone rings] 35 00:02:01,757 --> 00:02:04,225 [Dark musical flourish] 36 00:02:04,226 --> 00:02:06,127 [Phone ringing] 37 00:02:06,128 --> 00:02:09,959 When the phone rang, I had this sensation of... 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,892 Almost like, you know, when you... 39 00:02:11,893 --> 00:02:14,536 You feel the hair rise on the back of your neck. 40 00:02:14,537 --> 00:02:17,117 [Phone ringing] 41 00:02:19,458 --> 00:02:22,994 I don't really know if the term psychic... 42 00:02:22,995 --> 00:02:24,741 If it's an appropriate term. 43 00:02:24,742 --> 00:02:25,714 [Phone rings] 44 00:02:25,715 --> 00:02:28,483 Other people labeled it in a variety of ways. 45 00:02:28,484 --> 00:02:30,285 My Mother called me a witch. 46 00:02:30,286 --> 00:02:31,973 [Phone ringing, children laughing] 47 00:02:31,974 --> 00:02:34,365 The best way I can sum it up... 48 00:02:34,366 --> 00:02:39,886 It is very much like my regular senses turned up high. 49 00:02:40,396 --> 00:02:42,564 I thought of it as intuition. 50 00:02:42,565 --> 00:02:47,102 And sometimes... such powerful intuition... I cannot stop anything. 51 00:02:47,103 --> 00:02:50,572 I'm not in control of it at all. 52 00:02:50,573 --> 00:02:52,574 [Discordant musical flourish] 53 00:02:52,575 --> 00:02:54,533 Back in the corner of my mind, 54 00:02:54,534 --> 00:02:58,258 I had a vague impression that I didn't want to look at. 55 00:02:58,259 --> 00:03:00,839 [Phone ringing] 56 00:03:05,988 --> 00:03:08,137 - Hello? - Hi. 57 00:03:08,138 --> 00:03:10,061 I'm so sorry to bother you. 58 00:03:10,062 --> 00:03:13,220 My daughter's best friend, Amie Hoffman... 59 00:03:13,221 --> 00:03:14,996 She's missing. 60 00:03:14,997 --> 00:03:18,343 She said, can you find Amie? 61 00:03:18,344 --> 00:03:23,144 I've heard about your abilities, and we're just going crazy here. 62 00:03:23,145 --> 00:03:25,738 Please, can you at least try? 63 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:29,908 She was so desperate to be told everything would be okay. 64 00:03:29,909 --> 00:03:33,946 It would just make us feel so much better if you could just tell us she was okay... 65 00:03:33,947 --> 00:03:36,647 [Dissonant music] 66 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:44,148 [Unsettling music] 67 00:03:48,528 --> 00:03:50,831 Look, I'm... I'm... I'm so sorry. 68 00:03:50,832 --> 00:03:55,024 I said, why don't you please just either call the family or the police involved... 69 00:03:55,025 --> 00:03:56,271 And give them my name. 70 00:03:56,272 --> 00:03:59,872 She said, yes, okay, I will. 71 00:04:00,830 --> 00:04:06,530 I believed Amie was dead, and I prayed that I was wrong. 72 00:04:12,042 --> 00:04:17,942 Amie Hoffman's body was found in the neighboring town of Randolph. 73 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 74 00:04:26,223 --> 00:04:28,944 It was a brutal, brutal murder. 75 00:04:28,945 --> 00:04:33,445 I felt so, so sorry for this young girl. 76 00:04:33,997 --> 00:04:36,632 Amie was a high school senior. 77 00:04:36,633 --> 00:04:39,301 She was a cheerleader. 78 00:04:39,302 --> 00:04:41,737 Very popular girl. 79 00:04:41,738 --> 00:04:47,109 Doesn't matter whether you're a police officer or just an average Joe citizen; 80 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:50,230 You take it to heart. 81 00:04:52,882 --> 00:04:58,162 I wanted to get this killer right from the get-go. 82 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,495 Guys, come on. Hurry up. 83 00:05:08,496 --> 00:05:14,396 Bus is gonna be here any minute, and I don't want you to be late again. 84 00:05:14,535 --> 00:05:17,235 [Disturbed music] 85 00:05:19,173 --> 00:05:20,910 [Sighs] 86 00:05:20,911 --> 00:05:22,275 My heart sunk. 87 00:05:22,276 --> 00:05:25,112 I had so wished I was wrong. 88 00:05:25,113 --> 00:05:31,013 In the article, it was very clearly stated that she wasn't raped. 89 00:05:31,586 --> 00:05:34,286 [Dissonant music] 90 00:05:36,591 --> 00:05:40,560 The vision I had was the word raped. 91 00:05:40,561 --> 00:05:44,030 My vision didn't match the article, not at all. 92 00:05:44,031 --> 00:05:46,611 [Engine idling] 93 00:05:51,305 --> 00:05:52,839 I was a young Detective at the time. 94 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,355 I'd probably been in the Detective Bureau for about a year. 95 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:58,506 I had met Nancy in Mount Olive township, 96 00:05:58,507 --> 00:06:01,426 and she'd worked with us in the past as a psychic. 97 00:06:01,427 --> 00:06:05,447 But this was purely a social call. 98 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:10,269 Do you know what's in this newspaper is a lie? 99 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:11,993 I'm like, what are you talking about? 100 00:06:11,994 --> 00:06:14,279 Both: Why are they lying? Do you want some coffee? 101 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:15,247 [Laughs] 102 00:06:15,248 --> 00:06:17,468 You know? 103 00:06:17,761 --> 00:06:20,415 I don't understand it, Bill. They got it all wrong. 104 00:06:20,416 --> 00:06:21,479 What do you mean? 105 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,417 Nancy says, the newspaper article says that there's no sexual assault indicated here. 106 00:06:26,418 --> 00:06:27,958 She was definitely raped, Bill. 107 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:31,122 Bill, I can see it like it's right in front of my face. 108 00:06:31,123 --> 00:06:35,185 I said, Bill, he's gonna do it again. 109 00:06:35,186 --> 00:06:38,188 The murder investigation of Amie Hoffman really took off. 110 00:06:38,189 --> 00:06:41,119 They decided to form a task force. 111 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,573 Amie Hoffman's abandoned car was found in the parking lot of the Morris County Mall. 112 00:06:46,574 --> 00:06:48,659 And there was a palpable buzz. 113 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:52,129 You could feel the sense of urgency and tension in the room. 114 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:56,133 A witness saw a green, maybe a blue sedan, possibly a Chevy. 115 00:06:56,134 --> 00:06:58,970 The suspect is thought to be male, Caucasian... 116 00:06:58,971 --> 00:07:00,611 There was very, very little... 117 00:07:00,612 --> 00:07:04,509 A very vague descriptor of the car, very vague descriptor of the attacker. 118 00:07:04,510 --> 00:07:07,678 There are multiple stab wounds. 119 00:07:07,679 --> 00:07:11,232 The autopsy indicates she was raped. 120 00:07:11,233 --> 00:07:13,417 The light bulb goes off in the back of my head. 121 00:07:13,418 --> 00:07:16,621 I'm saying to myself, well, gee, that's what Nancy told me. 122 00:07:16,622 --> 00:07:18,823 Maybe she can help us. 123 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:20,358 Okay, that's it. 124 00:07:20,359 --> 00:07:23,503 The lead investigator told us all to partner up. 125 00:07:23,504 --> 00:07:27,204 I got to find somebody that's willing to sit down with Nancy. 126 00:07:27,205 --> 00:07:30,535 So I'm looking across the room, and I see Jimmy Moore. 127 00:07:30,536 --> 00:07:33,544 Been a cop for 25 years. He's a Captain. 128 00:07:33,545 --> 00:07:35,640 I know he's seen it all. 129 00:07:35,641 --> 00:07:37,498 Captain Moore. 130 00:07:37,499 --> 00:07:40,790 Detective Bill Hughes, Mount Olive. 131 00:07:40,791 --> 00:07:44,882 And I looked at him, and he was young. He was in his mid 20s, I guess. 132 00:07:44,883 --> 00:07:46,964 I really want to make a difference in this case. 133 00:07:46,965 --> 00:07:50,021 - And I think I can learn a lot from you. - You... you know I'm a Captain. 134 00:07:50,022 --> 00:07:53,764 He's thinking, we got the biggest murder investigation in the County in years, 135 00:07:53,765 --> 00:07:55,459 and he wants to partner with me? 136 00:07:55,460 --> 00:07:57,494 Just give me a chance. 137 00:07:57,495 --> 00:08:01,462 So I said, yeah. I said, that's fine, if you want to work with me. 138 00:08:01,463 --> 00:08:04,335 - I'll work with you. - You won't regret it, Sir. 139 00:08:04,336 --> 00:08:06,003 [Siren blips] 140 00:08:06,004 --> 00:08:09,611 We go out to the car, out to my car specifically. 141 00:08:09,612 --> 00:08:13,144 Jim figures he has a driver now. He doesn't have to do his own driving. 142 00:08:13,145 --> 00:08:16,128 Jim's telling me what he knows, which isn't much. 143 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:18,182 Not much is an understatement. 144 00:08:18,183 --> 00:08:21,799 We didn't know where to look, what to look at, who to look at. 145 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,612 And I'm thinking to myself, how in the hell 146 00:08:23,613 --> 00:08:28,473 am I gonna approach Jim with using a psychic? 147 00:08:28,594 --> 00:08:30,201 Hey, Cap... 148 00:08:30,202 --> 00:08:31,986 And I figured he was gonna bite my head off. 149 00:08:31,987 --> 00:08:34,420 What do you think of psychics? 150 00:08:34,421 --> 00:08:35,638 Not much. 151 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,070 I thought, basically, it's a lot of mumbo jumbo. 152 00:08:39,071 --> 00:08:40,738 Why? 153 00:08:40,739 --> 00:08:42,573 [Knock on door] 154 00:08:42,574 --> 00:08:45,042 Nancy, this is Captain Moore. 155 00:08:45,043 --> 00:08:46,243 Hi, Nancy. 156 00:08:46,244 --> 00:08:49,288 She just seemed like a normal person to me. 157 00:08:49,289 --> 00:08:52,536 She didn't have a crystal ball, or she wasn't 158 00:08:52,537 --> 00:08:55,942 carrying on or gazing up into the sky or anything. 159 00:08:55,943 --> 00:09:01,670 I want you to tell Jim exactly what you told me about Amie Hoffman's murder. 160 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:02,586 [Clears throat] 161 00:09:02,587 --> 00:09:04,028 She was... 162 00:09:04,029 --> 00:09:07,131 She was knifed all over. 163 00:09:07,132 --> 00:09:09,667 She was raped. 164 00:09:09,668 --> 00:09:13,973 Nobody... no one other than the lead detectives in this case knew... 165 00:09:13,974 --> 00:09:18,423 That Amie was sexually assaulted. We kept, purposefully kept that out of the media. 166 00:09:18,424 --> 00:09:20,058 I wasn't sure... 167 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:24,454 Was it a guess on her part, or did she really see this? 168 00:09:24,455 --> 00:09:27,413 I couldn't tell what he was thinking. 169 00:09:27,414 --> 00:09:29,880 And I thought, I can't read him. 170 00:09:29,881 --> 00:09:33,272 I would hate to play poker with that guy. 171 00:09:33,273 --> 00:09:38,908 There was a little bit of a silence there for a couple seconds. 172 00:09:38,909 --> 00:09:44,809 I said, Nancy. I says, how do you feel about taking a ride with us? 173 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:49,228 I said, listen, you need to understand something. 174 00:09:49,229 --> 00:09:51,676 You cannot tell me anything about the case. 175 00:09:51,677 --> 00:09:53,044 I need to work completely cold. 176 00:09:53,045 --> 00:09:54,294 I can't make any assumptions, 177 00:09:54,295 --> 00:09:57,415 and I don't want to try and get answers to fit what you say. 178 00:09:57,416 --> 00:10:00,117 I'll give you what I see, nothing more. 179 00:10:00,118 --> 00:10:01,419 All right. 180 00:10:01,420 --> 00:10:03,274 I thought that was a good sign, 181 00:10:03,275 --> 00:10:07,591 and I hadn't planned on telling her anything about the case anyway. 182 00:10:07,592 --> 00:10:10,232 [Dramatic music] 183 00:10:18,003 --> 00:10:21,301 Call it psychic abilities. It's just a word. 184 00:10:21,302 --> 00:10:22,907 Gifts... absolutely. 185 00:10:22,908 --> 00:10:26,644 I have a lot of different gifts that we call paranormal. 186 00:10:26,645 --> 00:10:28,446 [Tires squeal] 187 00:10:28,447 --> 00:10:30,995 I've learned how to honor and respect them, 188 00:10:30,996 --> 00:10:36,120 and I've learned that they're only gifts when you serve with a good purpose. 189 00:10:36,121 --> 00:10:40,106 The first place we took Nancy was to the Hanover Mall, 190 00:10:40,107 --> 00:10:43,312 where Amie Hoffman had been abducted from. 191 00:10:43,313 --> 00:10:46,069 And we didn't tell Nancy why we were going there. 192 00:10:46,070 --> 00:10:47,665 It's a huge mall. 193 00:10:47,666 --> 00:10:52,747 So Jim, being cagey as he is, he doesn't want to take Nancy right to the spot. 194 00:10:52,748 --> 00:10:55,940 Yeah, just... just keep going straight through here. 195 00:10:55,941 --> 00:10:57,541 And Nancy's saying, no, no, no, no. 196 00:10:57,542 --> 00:11:00,962 Go that way. Go that way. 197 00:11:02,367 --> 00:11:07,347 Sure enough we're going in the right direction. 198 00:11:15,327 --> 00:11:17,787 Go that way. 199 00:11:21,733 --> 00:11:25,093 It's here. Stop the car. 200 00:11:31,276 --> 00:11:34,781 There was one area that felt like... 201 00:11:34,782 --> 00:11:38,864 It was alive with energy, like a magnetic pull. 202 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:41,925 The energy of trauma. 203 00:11:46,458 --> 00:11:51,929 She'll hold her hands out and just kind of feel around. 204 00:11:51,930 --> 00:11:55,266 Bill and I just stood there. We didn't say anything to her. 205 00:11:55,267 --> 00:11:57,204 We didn't offer her anything. 206 00:11:57,205 --> 00:11:59,605 [Dark music] 207 00:12:03,842 --> 00:12:07,378 And I pointed and said, here's the area. 208 00:12:07,379 --> 00:12:09,246 This is where she was abducted from. 209 00:12:09,247 --> 00:12:14,887 And I heard Jim mumble under his breath, that's amazing. 210 00:12:16,555 --> 00:12:22,193 This is a huge mall, close to 1,000 parking spaces in it. 211 00:12:22,194 --> 00:12:28,094 There is absolutely no way Nancy could have known where to go. 212 00:12:29,886 --> 00:12:31,926 [Music] 213 00:12:33,949 --> 00:12:35,629 _. 214 00:12:39,387 --> 00:12:41,067 _. 215 00:12:44,925 --> 00:12:47,071 I was quite impressed. 216 00:12:47,072 --> 00:12:50,972 But I didn't let her know that. 217 00:12:51,144 --> 00:12:54,175 All traumatic events... 218 00:12:54,176 --> 00:12:56,839 Contain a different kind of energy. 219 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,380 And within that are details. 220 00:13:02,956 --> 00:13:04,857 I see a green car. 221 00:13:04,858 --> 00:13:10,136 The witnesses had told us they saw a man sitting in a green Chevrolet 222 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:13,198 near Amie's car before the abduction. 223 00:13:13,199 --> 00:13:19,099 None of this information had been released to the public at this point. 224 00:13:21,608 --> 00:13:25,268 And here. Here's another car. 225 00:13:26,746 --> 00:13:28,080 [Woman screaming disjointedly] 226 00:13:28,081 --> 00:13:29,934 I got this... 227 00:13:29,935 --> 00:13:33,551 Flashing vision, and it happened so fast. 228 00:13:33,552 --> 00:13:38,292 So I stood there and went into that vision. 229 00:13:39,459 --> 00:13:41,693 There's a car. 230 00:13:41,694 --> 00:13:43,615 There's a woman opening it up. 231 00:13:43,616 --> 00:13:46,331 A man gets get out of the green car. 232 00:13:46,332 --> 00:13:51,132 I can't really make out a face or anything. 233 00:13:53,206 --> 00:13:56,026 I see this knife. 234 00:14:00,046 --> 00:14:01,113 [Man growls] 235 00:14:01,114 --> 00:14:03,015 [Woman screams] 236 00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:04,716 And I see him grab her... 237 00:14:04,717 --> 00:14:06,518 [Muffled yelping] 238 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:09,159 [Dramatic music] 239 00:14:10,590 --> 00:14:14,136 He's dragging her back to his car. 240 00:14:14,137 --> 00:14:18,363 And throw her in the seat and close the door. 241 00:14:18,364 --> 00:14:20,766 He's driving. 242 00:14:20,767 --> 00:14:23,467 [Tires squealing] 243 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,852 These visions occurred as if I had a camera. 244 00:14:31,853 --> 00:14:35,573 And I could replay that video. 245 00:14:36,983 --> 00:14:39,790 And the movie starts again. 246 00:14:39,791 --> 00:14:44,123 And she's opening the door, and he's coming, running around. 247 00:14:44,124 --> 00:14:47,604 She goes into great detail. 248 00:14:50,964 --> 00:14:53,392 She had a purse. She leaves it on the front seat. 249 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:55,150 [Woman screams] 250 00:14:55,151 --> 00:14:56,969 Her door's open... of her car. 251 00:14:56,970 --> 00:15:01,340 That's exactly how the car was found. The car was found with the door left open. 252 00:15:01,341 --> 00:15:04,776 The car was found with the purse on the front seat. 253 00:15:04,777 --> 00:15:07,657 He drags her back. 254 00:15:07,780 --> 00:15:10,415 I can't make out his face. 255 00:15:10,416 --> 00:15:14,376 And I see, after he pulls away... 256 00:15:20,793 --> 00:15:22,894 There were three taillights at the rear. 257 00:15:22,895 --> 00:15:26,708 And I thought, very important to remember. 258 00:15:26,709 --> 00:15:30,875 Specifically what the witness saw was a green Chevy sedan. 259 00:15:30,876 --> 00:15:33,672 Noted for those three taillights across the back. 260 00:15:33,673 --> 00:15:35,723 [Groans] 261 00:15:35,724 --> 00:15:39,734 That vehicle description had not been released to the public at that point. 262 00:15:39,735 --> 00:15:45,517 To me, it was just totally amazing. It was just... it blew me away. 263 00:15:45,518 --> 00:15:47,219 My heart was racing. 264 00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:49,221 I could imagine what she was going through. 265 00:15:49,222 --> 00:15:54,682 I mean, she was a child, actually, 17, I think, so... 266 00:16:04,971 --> 00:16:10,871 The next place that we take Nancy is gonna be the murder scene. 267 00:16:10,977 --> 00:16:13,111 [Unsettling music] 268 00:16:13,112 --> 00:16:16,377 She knows we're taking her someplace of significance, 269 00:16:16,378 --> 00:16:19,918 and she doesn't know what happened there. 270 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:25,819 So I'm looking in the mirror, and she's becoming more and more distressed. 271 00:16:26,626 --> 00:16:28,832 I felt overwhelmed. 272 00:16:28,833 --> 00:16:34,293 And I knew that we were heading to a site of murder. 273 00:16:45,978 --> 00:16:48,378 [Dark music] 274 00:16:54,454 --> 00:16:57,519 It was like I was listening to commands inside. 275 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,415 Walk here. 276 00:16:59,416 --> 00:17:02,776 Slow down. Walk this way. 277 00:17:06,499 --> 00:17:10,819 And then all of a sudden, she stopped. 278 00:17:15,274 --> 00:17:17,854 [Woman screams] 279 00:17:23,783 --> 00:17:25,817 She knew exactly where to take us. 280 00:17:25,818 --> 00:17:29,075 There were no footprints. There was no police tape, no signs. 281 00:17:29,076 --> 00:17:31,743 No paint on the ground... nothing. 282 00:17:31,744 --> 00:17:35,227 This particular area was so congealed... 283 00:17:35,228 --> 00:17:37,808 Heavy, heavy... 284 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:40,670 [Metal tinkling] 285 00:17:42,335 --> 00:17:47,015 Soaked with metallic, spiky, needle, knife... 286 00:17:47,057 --> 00:17:48,544 Energy. 287 00:17:48,545 --> 00:17:52,745 Thick as water, hard to move through. 288 00:17:55,563 --> 00:17:59,566 Land soaks up trauma and holds it. 289 00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:01,953 The air around holds it. 290 00:18:01,954 --> 00:18:04,748 It was so congealed; It was... 291 00:18:04,749 --> 00:18:08,829 As if it spelled out bloody murder. 292 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:12,930 No! 293 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:17,320 This is where it happened. 294 00:18:20,664 --> 00:18:26,424 I just stayed very quiet until I felt I could hear her... 295 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:31,194 [Indistinct sobbing] 296 00:18:31,384 --> 00:18:33,385 Cries for help. 297 00:18:33,386 --> 00:18:34,853 [Crying] 298 00:18:34,854 --> 00:18:36,388 Please let me go. 299 00:18:36,389 --> 00:18:38,429 [Cries] 300 00:18:38,458 --> 00:18:41,278 I can hear her... 301 00:18:42,628 --> 00:18:43,962 [Indistinct sobbing] 302 00:18:43,963 --> 00:18:45,397 Pleading with him. 303 00:18:45,398 --> 00:18:49,058 - Please let me go. - Please. 304 00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:53,784 [Screaming] 305 00:18:55,475 --> 00:18:59,854 She was absolutely distraught and appeared to be in a lot of pain. 306 00:18:59,855 --> 00:19:01,574 He's showing her a knife. 307 00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:04,886 And suddenly, I could feel his... 308 00:19:04,887 --> 00:19:08,119 Absolute delight at doing what he did. 309 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,536 He's enjoying it. 310 00:19:09,537 --> 00:19:10,938 [Growls] 311 00:19:10,939 --> 00:19:11,808 [Yells] 312 00:19:11,809 --> 00:19:14,749 Oh, this poor girl. 313 00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:19,331 [Shrieks] 314 00:19:19,332 --> 00:19:21,612 [Screaming] 315 00:19:23,104 --> 00:19:28,624 I suddenly get a sharp pain and know he cut her body. 316 00:19:28,741 --> 00:19:31,510 It was... it was somewhat emotional. 317 00:19:31,511 --> 00:19:34,786 It's just like watching the crime be committed in front of you, 318 00:19:34,787 --> 00:19:37,215 and there's nothing you can do about it. 319 00:19:37,216 --> 00:19:40,151 And the brutality was enormous. 320 00:19:40,152 --> 00:19:41,186 [Quivers] 321 00:19:41,187 --> 00:19:42,888 [Cries] 322 00:19:42,889 --> 00:19:44,389 [Screams] 323 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:46,910 [Solemn music] 324 00:19:52,398 --> 00:19:56,538 He's stabbing her after she's dead! 325 00:19:56,903 --> 00:20:02,156 Forensic evidence showed that there were postmortem wounds to her body. 326 00:20:02,157 --> 00:20:06,795 How did Nancy know that Amie was cut after death? 327 00:20:06,796 --> 00:20:09,616 No one knew that. 328 00:20:11,517 --> 00:20:13,557 [Music] 329 00:20:20,974 --> 00:20:22,654 _. 330 00:20:26,289 --> 00:20:27,969 _. 331 00:20:32,283 --> 00:20:34,284 I needed to find concrete facts. 332 00:20:34,285 --> 00:20:38,855 I needed to find something that the police could do something with. 333 00:20:38,856 --> 00:20:41,016 [Panting] 334 00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:47,770 I see him. 335 00:20:50,034 --> 00:20:52,448 Around 6 feet tall. 336 00:20:52,449 --> 00:20:54,562 Dark hair. 337 00:20:54,563 --> 00:20:57,623 Slim face, slim body. 338 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:01,445 About 6 feet. Skinny guy. 339 00:21:01,446 --> 00:21:04,746 [Thrilling music swelling] 340 00:21:08,043 --> 00:21:09,403 I was awestruck. 341 00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:11,504 [Crying] 342 00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:15,590 Going back to the car... 343 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,458 I wasn't sure whether this was real or an act. 344 00:21:19,459 --> 00:21:24,619 Because I had never experienced anything like this. 345 00:21:26,504 --> 00:21:31,670 She was giving us tons of information, but it was nothing we could act on. 346 00:21:31,671 --> 00:21:34,802 There was a huge sense of urgency here because we knew 347 00:21:34,803 --> 00:21:39,058 beyond a shadow of a doubt that this guy was gonna strike again. 348 00:21:39,059 --> 00:21:42,179 The clock was ticking. 349 00:21:44,822 --> 00:21:50,162 It becomes such an all-pervasive sensation inside me. 350 00:21:51,356 --> 00:21:56,816 The knowledge that there was this beast on this Earth. 351 00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:59,512 This is a man who's hunting. 352 00:21:59,513 --> 00:22:02,000 [Woman screaming] 353 00:22:02,001 --> 00:22:04,289 Oh, my God. He's hunting. 354 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,870 [Beastly snarl] 355 00:22:08,434 --> 00:22:13,583 It was one of the more helpless moments of my life. 356 00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:18,071 Where I knew what was going to happen... couldn't do a single thing about it. 357 00:22:18,072 --> 00:22:21,492 [Thrilling musical flourish] 358 00:22:23,749 --> 00:22:28,086 The body of a second girl has been found in Allamuchy Township, Warren County. 359 00:22:28,087 --> 00:22:32,290 Police sources refuse to confirm or deny any connection with the brutal slaying... 360 00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:34,032 The girl... 361 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:38,353 Was found in a rest area on Route 80. 362 00:22:38,493 --> 00:22:41,835 Her name was Deirdre O'Brien. 363 00:22:41,836 --> 00:22:46,540 There was a witness, a truck driver who had stopped to rest. 364 00:22:46,541 --> 00:22:52,379 He saw this green sedan go through the rest area, back onto the highway. 365 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:55,182 I was really overwhelmed. 366 00:22:55,183 --> 00:22:57,519 I then knew that we had a serial killer. 367 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,589 And this individual probably would not stop killing until we found him. 368 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,392 Ms. O'Brien, 25, was driving to her parents' home... 369 00:23:05,393 --> 00:23:08,896 Total helplessness and frustration. 370 00:23:08,897 --> 00:23:10,688 Forced off the road, and she was abducted... 371 00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:13,884 And the panic level of everyone was skyrocketing. 372 00:23:13,885 --> 00:23:17,545 All the police departments in the area, the state police, were on a high alert. 373 00:23:17,546 --> 00:23:20,741 At any moment, he could leap out on anybody. 374 00:23:20,742 --> 00:23:22,443 Asked about any possible connections... 375 00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,327 I wouldn't drive at night. I wouldn't go in the car at night. 376 00:23:25,328 --> 00:23:28,349 I didn't want my children out of my sight. 377 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:31,289 But detectives have very few leads to go on. 378 00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:33,120 I was eager to get on with it. 379 00:23:33,121 --> 00:23:35,923 Now all I wanted is... let's go. 380 00:23:35,924 --> 00:23:38,564 [Resolute music] 381 00:23:39,194 --> 00:23:40,845 We thought that we would continue, 382 00:23:40,846 --> 00:23:46,746 and hope that Nancy would come up with more information for us to work on. 383 00:23:47,535 --> 00:23:48,803 I asked Jim, where to now? 384 00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:54,704 And he says, all right, take us up to the rest area in Allamuchy. 385 00:24:02,083 --> 00:24:07,498 Interstate 80 and the Allamuchy rest area is desolate and kind of strange. 386 00:24:07,499 --> 00:24:12,419 It's not a place where you want to hang out. 387 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:23,267 And I walked a little bit... 388 00:24:29,729 --> 00:24:32,980 And I turn around, and I look at the highway. 389 00:24:32,981 --> 00:24:36,250 And then she looked behind us, and she says... 390 00:24:36,251 --> 00:24:41,289 I see that same green car, that filthy car with the three taillights on each side. 391 00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:44,770 I see that same green car. 392 00:24:58,673 --> 00:25:01,133 It was here. 393 00:25:01,443 --> 00:25:07,343 And that was exactly where the truck driver had seen the car. 394 00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:16,623 [Discordant musical flourish] 395 00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:20,284 He's getting out of the car. 396 00:25:20,783 --> 00:25:24,563 He takes her out of his trunk. 397 00:25:26,203 --> 00:25:28,363 [Screams] 398 00:25:30,472 --> 00:25:32,940 Please. I have to go home. 399 00:25:32,941 --> 00:25:35,221 [Screaming] 400 00:25:36,444 --> 00:25:39,624 [Melancholy piano music] 401 00:25:40,782 --> 00:25:44,284 He knifed her in the abdomen... 402 00:25:44,285 --> 00:25:46,787 Throwing her out like a piece of trash. 403 00:25:46,788 --> 00:25:50,508 He's getting back in the car. 404 00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:57,309 He's driving away. 405 00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:02,809 You could see... you can see the uh... 406 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:06,673 Torture on Nancy's face and the pain in her eyes. 407 00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:07,975 [Coughs] 408 00:26:07,976 --> 00:26:09,209 Oh, my God! 409 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,879 Oh, my God! She's still alive. 410 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,181 And I realized she wasn't dead. 411 00:26:14,182 --> 00:26:16,582 Oh, my God. 412 00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:32,149 I didn't... I felt a truck nearby. 413 00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:43,302 Help me! 414 00:26:43,545 --> 00:26:45,786 This is the truck. 415 00:26:45,787 --> 00:26:47,381 There's nothing parked there. 416 00:26:47,382 --> 00:26:49,761 There's nothing there, but she says, this is the truck. 417 00:26:49,762 --> 00:26:53,662 She stood up by the truck and... 418 00:26:54,455 --> 00:26:57,324 Banging on that door. 419 00:26:57,325 --> 00:26:58,492 Help me! 420 00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:00,653 [Banging] 421 00:27:00,762 --> 00:27:05,165 And... and you can actually see her start to bang on the door of the truck... 422 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:07,247 Help me! 423 00:27:07,248 --> 00:27:09,636 But she's just beating dead air. 424 00:27:09,637 --> 00:27:10,971 [Weeping] Please... 425 00:27:10,972 --> 00:27:13,072 [Groans] 426 00:27:13,474 --> 00:27:15,454 God... 427 00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:18,111 The truck driver... 428 00:27:18,112 --> 00:27:21,592 He wraps her in a blanket. 429 00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:25,190 She's losing the fight. 430 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:30,157 She looked in the truck driver's eyes and thanked him. 431 00:27:30,158 --> 00:27:32,377 Her dying breath, thank you. 432 00:27:32,378 --> 00:27:35,246 Both: I know I'm dying. 433 00:27:35,247 --> 00:27:37,527 Thank you. 434 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,316 I know I'm dying. 435 00:27:40,317 --> 00:27:43,317 No, no, you're not. 436 00:27:44,439 --> 00:27:45,772 [Groaning] 437 00:27:45,773 --> 00:27:47,608 It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. 438 00:27:47,609 --> 00:27:50,729 She died in his arms. 439 00:27:54,849 --> 00:27:57,369 Somebody help! 440 00:27:57,986 --> 00:27:59,419 Somebody help! 441 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,822 I still... I can't... 442 00:28:01,823 --> 00:28:03,957 That was so... 443 00:28:03,958 --> 00:28:04,986 [Sighs] 444 00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:07,507 Somebody help! 445 00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:10,749 Somebody help! 446 00:28:11,399 --> 00:28:13,919 Somebody help! 447 00:28:14,602 --> 00:28:15,636 [Inhales sharply] 448 00:28:15,637 --> 00:28:18,457 [Breathing heavily] 449 00:28:22,377 --> 00:28:26,077 That is exactly what Deirdre said to him, that she knew she was dying, 450 00:28:26,078 --> 00:28:30,758 and she thanked him, and I can confirm it. 451 00:28:35,605 --> 00:28:37,645 [Music] 452 00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:41,358 _. 453 00:28:45,121 --> 00:28:46,801 _. 454 00:28:51,309 --> 00:28:54,484 There was nothing in the papers, nothing on the television about what 455 00:28:54,485 --> 00:28:59,045 the truck driver said or what transpired between him and Deirdre. 456 00:28:59,046 --> 00:29:02,586 So how did Nancy know that? 457 00:29:04,289 --> 00:29:09,089 The next moment, I'm feeling just cold rage. 458 00:29:14,732 --> 00:29:16,406 I kept looking... 459 00:29:16,407 --> 00:29:21,038 As if I could reverse the film again and again, and every time I did... 460 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,679 [Resolute music] 461 00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:28,949 Something else would get sharper. 462 00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:35,521 But I couldn't stop it long enough to see him. 463 00:29:41,192 --> 00:29:43,727 As I kept watching this video... 464 00:29:43,728 --> 00:29:46,548 [Music intensifies] 465 00:29:59,410 --> 00:30:04,381 There was a moment where his eyes and mine connected totally. 466 00:30:04,382 --> 00:30:06,339 I could see his face. 467 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,386 I could see the very angular plane of his face. 468 00:30:09,387 --> 00:30:13,229 I could see his paper-white skin, almost pasty skin. 469 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,693 She told us that she had a clear view of what this guy looked like. 470 00:30:16,694 --> 00:30:18,549 She could actually see him. 471 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:22,930 The intense response I had inside was... 472 00:30:23,501 --> 00:30:24,835 Got you. 473 00:30:24,836 --> 00:30:26,996 Got you. 474 00:30:30,475 --> 00:30:34,778 The next thing I knew, I felt like I'm in that green car. 475 00:30:34,779 --> 00:30:38,048 I looked down; It was a man's hands. 476 00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:41,949 And they were long fingers, slim. 477 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:47,860 I felt that I was looking through the eyes of a killer. 478 00:30:53,998 --> 00:30:57,306 By this time, we'd been by all the murder scenes and, 479 00:30:57,307 --> 00:30:59,696 Nancy had come up with a lot of good information, 480 00:30:59,697 --> 00:31:02,282 but it was nothing we could act on. 481 00:31:02,283 --> 00:31:07,575 What we needed from her was relatives, a place of business, a name. 482 00:31:07,576 --> 00:31:11,536 I felt that it was beyond urgent. 483 00:31:16,454 --> 00:31:18,789 All of a sudden, Nancy perks up, and she says, Bill... 484 00:31:18,790 --> 00:31:19,879 What town are we in? 485 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,192 I says, well, we're in Mendham Township right now. 486 00:31:22,193 --> 00:31:25,062 He's got a real deep hatred for the cops here. 487 00:31:25,063 --> 00:31:27,264 There's only one reason a guy doesn't like the cops... 488 00:31:27,265 --> 00:31:31,001 They've either gotten a ticket, or they've gotten locked up by the Police Department. 489 00:31:31,002 --> 00:31:34,635 So I said, well, let's take a ride by Mendham Township Police Department, 490 00:31:34,636 --> 00:31:39,676 see if they can help us out here a little bit. 491 00:31:39,811 --> 00:31:44,715 We told the Captain we had a person with us that might have some information. 492 00:31:44,716 --> 00:31:46,765 I had no idea what I would say. 493 00:31:46,766 --> 00:31:51,626 Jimmy and Bill had no idea what I would say. 494 00:31:51,989 --> 00:31:54,569 [Clears throat] 495 00:31:56,294 --> 00:31:57,794 And suddenly... 496 00:31:57,795 --> 00:31:59,663 [Siren blips] 497 00:31:59,664 --> 00:32:04,634 I blurted out everything, wondering where those words were coming from. 498 00:32:04,635 --> 00:32:06,269 You have a police officer... 499 00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:08,905 Who, in the summer, gave at least... 500 00:32:08,906 --> 00:32:11,966 One ticket to a man. 501 00:32:13,644 --> 00:32:17,904 And that police officer's last name... 502 00:32:18,983 --> 00:32:21,457 Begins with a C. 503 00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:24,160 Uh, well, you... that's... you're thinking of Costanza. 504 00:32:24,161 --> 00:32:25,834 [Echoing] Costanza, Costanza... 505 00:32:25,835 --> 00:32:28,415 Costanza. Yeah. 506 00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,793 And the ticket... 507 00:32:34,699 --> 00:32:37,400 Costanza issued him the ticket. I can see it happening. 508 00:32:37,401 --> 00:32:43,041 I said, I'm pretty sure Costanza will know who this is. 509 00:32:47,345 --> 00:32:49,385 [Sighs] 510 00:32:51,449 --> 00:32:52,784 I may have a name. 511 00:32:52,785 --> 00:32:56,453 I kept seeing pieces of a name. 512 00:32:56,454 --> 00:32:58,188 James. 513 00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:00,824 She saw a name... 514 00:33:00,825 --> 00:33:02,058 K. 515 00:33:02,059 --> 00:33:03,827 A partial name. 516 00:33:03,828 --> 00:33:06,048 Something. 517 00:33:06,297 --> 00:33:08,435 James K... 518 00:33:08,436 --> 00:33:10,133 Something. Kuh. 519 00:33:10,134 --> 00:33:11,874 I. 520 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:14,510 C. 521 00:33:15,273 --> 00:33:17,013 H. 522 00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:18,772 Kuh... [mutters] 523 00:33:18,773 --> 00:33:20,633 Ich. 524 00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:22,683 [Groans] 525 00:33:22,684 --> 00:33:25,297 And I could not make out the middle of it. 526 00:33:25,298 --> 00:33:26,991 But I can't see the other letters. 527 00:33:26,992 --> 00:33:28,985 Out of the clear blue sky, she blurts this out. 528 00:33:28,986 --> 00:33:30,353 I'm sorry. I can't. 529 00:33:30,354 --> 00:33:32,289 That was a big moment for us. 530 00:33:32,290 --> 00:33:34,666 - Can we speak to Costanza? - He's on vacation. 531 00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:36,674 He doesn't come in again till Monday. 532 00:33:36,675 --> 00:33:40,664 Back in the '80s, when officers were off duty, they were off duty. 533 00:33:40,665 --> 00:33:41,932 Where can we get a hold of him? 534 00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:44,109 You can't get a hold of him until Monday. 535 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:47,470 And you got to remember, this is 1982. There are no cell phones. 536 00:33:47,471 --> 00:33:49,105 That's protocol. Sorry, guys. 537 00:33:49,106 --> 00:33:50,740 We were powerless at that point. 538 00:33:50,741 --> 00:33:52,057 Thanks for your time. 539 00:33:52,058 --> 00:33:54,562 You can only imagine the frustration that we're going through. 540 00:33:54,563 --> 00:34:00,463 We knew we had something that... it could break the case, and we can't get to it. 541 00:34:00,551 --> 00:34:03,887 All of a sudden, an alert goes out over the radio system. 542 00:34:03,888 --> 00:34:08,391 All task force members are called to meet at police headquarters. 543 00:34:08,392 --> 00:34:12,142 So I drop Jim and Nancy off, and I'm gonna look for a parking place. 544 00:34:12,143 --> 00:34:15,494 I was kind of excited about being able to tell the prosecutor 545 00:34:15,495 --> 00:34:18,568 what we had discovered with Nancy. 546 00:34:18,569 --> 00:34:22,923 I thought, maybe with the prosecutor's influence... 547 00:34:22,924 --> 00:34:26,226 We might be able to go to the Mendham Township Police Department and 548 00:34:26,227 --> 00:34:28,778 check the files over the weekend instead of waiting till Monday. 549 00:34:28,779 --> 00:34:31,419 [Dramatic music] 550 00:34:31,782 --> 00:34:34,918 We walked in, and I heard somebody shout... 551 00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:36,498 Get her out of here! 552 00:34:36,499 --> 00:34:39,559 Get her out of here. 553 00:34:42,586 --> 00:34:44,626 [Music] 554 00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:47,913 _. 555 00:34:51,496 --> 00:34:53,176 _. 556 00:34:56,772 --> 00:34:58,172 Get her out of here! 557 00:34:58,173 --> 00:34:59,817 She is not coming in here. 558 00:34:59,818 --> 00:35:03,010 What are you talking about? I says, you haven't even heard what we have to say. 559 00:35:03,011 --> 00:35:04,274 I don't want to hear it. 560 00:35:04,275 --> 00:35:06,193 I know that woman. She's a psychic. 561 00:35:06,194 --> 00:35:07,797 I was pissed at the prosecutor. 562 00:35:07,798 --> 00:35:13,698 Why would you not want to listen to possible good information? 563 00:35:14,174 --> 00:35:15,327 I said, well, you know what? 564 00:35:15,328 --> 00:35:17,350 Well, you know what? If you don't want her... 565 00:35:17,351 --> 00:35:19,018 Then you don't want me. 566 00:35:19,019 --> 00:35:20,631 I said, we're out of here. 567 00:35:20,632 --> 00:35:22,552 Fine. 568 00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:26,960 And I see 'em. This ain't good. 569 00:35:26,961 --> 00:35:29,841 Cap, what happened? 570 00:35:30,486 --> 00:35:33,488 Jim is livid. Jim is hot. 571 00:35:33,489 --> 00:35:36,191 He had 20 years of experience. 572 00:35:36,192 --> 00:35:40,812 They had no right to treat him like that. 573 00:35:43,832 --> 00:35:48,392 I was now troubled beyond, beyond, beyond. 574 00:35:48,822 --> 00:35:52,002 My temperature was 105. 575 00:35:52,571 --> 00:35:57,139 What's the point of being that close to the horrors... 576 00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:00,260 If I cannot stop him? 577 00:36:03,118 --> 00:36:06,058 The vision I got... 578 00:36:06,614 --> 00:36:09,191 Was of one of impending danger. 579 00:36:09,192 --> 00:36:13,212 This man who was stalking a woman. 580 00:36:17,363 --> 00:36:21,133 I thought, oh, we have got to do something here. 581 00:36:21,134 --> 00:36:23,894 [Unsettling music] 582 00:36:26,565 --> 00:36:29,685 Hi. I need your help. 583 00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:35,719 For years, I taught an open group of meditation and psychic development. 584 00:36:35,746 --> 00:36:38,185 I realized, with my students that, 585 00:36:38,186 --> 00:36:41,956 if we gather energy together, it becomes amplified. 586 00:36:41,957 --> 00:36:47,857 Here were four people who I knew to be very psychically clear. 587 00:36:49,465 --> 00:36:53,735 I said, now, we need to make a difference here. 588 00:36:53,736 --> 00:36:59,256 So we made a circuit, and we were boosting the signal. 589 00:37:00,409 --> 00:37:03,219 I said, build the power with me. 590 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:08,118 Take that energy, like taking a lightning bolt. 591 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:13,759 I kept him fully dead center in the middle of the room. 592 00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:18,208 And I... my heart started going... 593 00:37:18,209 --> 00:37:21,509 [Imitates rapid heartbeat] 594 00:37:22,361 --> 00:37:25,579 I could feel him ready to pounce on her. 595 00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:31,009 I was looking at him as if he was a bug in a microscope. 596 00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:33,022 You don't get to play that way. 597 00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:35,142 Got to nail him. 598 00:37:35,143 --> 00:37:37,537 And I said, bring home to him... 599 00:37:37,538 --> 00:37:39,860 Both: All the pain... 600 00:37:39,861 --> 00:37:41,428 That he has given to women. 601 00:37:41,429 --> 00:37:43,147 [Dramatic music] 602 00:37:43,148 --> 00:37:46,200 Let him feel it and let him feel it in a way... 603 00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:49,582 That he could never give it out to anybody else... 604 00:37:49,583 --> 00:37:52,163 In this world. 605 00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:01,640 You need to be gone. 606 00:38:14,129 --> 00:38:20,029 And when I was done, I felt that something was finished for me. 607 00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:28,275 [Whispering] Oh, no, please, no, God. 608 00:38:28,276 --> 00:38:30,976 Not another one. 609 00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:33,347 What did you do, Nancy? 610 00:38:33,348 --> 00:38:38,088 She says, what do you mean, what did I do? 611 00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:42,856 I said, they caught the killer. 612 00:38:42,857 --> 00:38:46,517 And the relief was monumental. 613 00:38:47,328 --> 00:38:51,073 On the night of January 16th, early Sunday morning. 614 00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:53,734 A man called 911... 615 00:38:53,735 --> 00:38:56,722 And stated that he had been stabbed in the back. 616 00:38:56,723 --> 00:39:01,023 So when I got to the scene, they found a Chevy sedan, 617 00:39:01,024 --> 00:39:03,543 with three lights across the back. 618 00:39:03,544 --> 00:39:08,699 And a man was there, bleeding from a minor wound. 619 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,345 One of the officers on the scene recalled there was something 620 00:39:11,346 --> 00:39:15,054 about a green Chevy with three taillights involved in this case. 621 00:39:15,055 --> 00:39:19,433 He remembered that that was the kind of car that we were looking for. 622 00:39:19,434 --> 00:39:22,014 And when they questioned the owner... 623 00:39:22,015 --> 00:39:24,387 They asked him who he was. 624 00:39:24,388 --> 00:39:26,548 My name? 625 00:39:27,318 --> 00:39:30,560 Jim says, you'll never guess what the name of the guy is. 626 00:39:30,561 --> 00:39:33,381 [Suspenseful music] 627 00:39:35,822 --> 00:39:39,302 My name is James Koedatich. 628 00:39:39,637 --> 00:39:41,695 That's the name! 629 00:39:41,696 --> 00:39:43,172 I said, Koedatich! 630 00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:44,290 [Gasps] 631 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,553 Oh, my God. It is him. 632 00:39:46,554 --> 00:39:50,122 I just started laughing. How close was Nancy on that name? 633 00:39:50,123 --> 00:39:53,344 - That's the name. - Nancy... 634 00:39:53,345 --> 00:39:54,984 [Exhales deeply] 635 00:39:54,985 --> 00:39:56,085 What did you do? 636 00:39:56,086 --> 00:39:58,419 He kept saying to me, what did you do? 637 00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:00,163 What do you mean, what did I do? 638 00:40:00,164 --> 00:40:04,727 He claims he was stabbed in the back by a woman with shoulder-length brown hair. 639 00:40:04,728 --> 00:40:09,371 And then when I described the alleged woman that stabbed Koedatich. 640 00:40:09,372 --> 00:40:15,272 I said, he was describing you, because the general description fits you perfectly. 641 00:40:17,207 --> 00:40:20,901 Anyhow, the wound was self-inflicted. 642 00:40:20,902 --> 00:40:23,778 They found out that there was no woman involved. 643 00:40:23,779 --> 00:40:28,099 He stabbed himself and then called 911. 644 00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:32,330 Why he did that... we'll never know. 645 00:40:32,752 --> 00:40:34,424 [Indistinct radio chatter] 646 00:40:34,425 --> 00:40:37,103 When they did Forensics on the inside of the car... 647 00:40:37,104 --> 00:40:39,768 I was amazed with what they found. 648 00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:44,209 I mean, I was just... I was blown away. 649 00:40:45,753 --> 00:40:47,793 [Music] 650 00:40:49,753 --> 00:40:51,433 _. 651 00:40:56,493 --> 00:40:59,812 When they did Forensics, they found some blood in the car that... 652 00:40:59,813 --> 00:41:03,316 It would turn out... belonged to Amie Hoffman. 653 00:41:03,317 --> 00:41:06,649 He's throwing her in the back seat. 654 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:09,886 And they found a lot of evidence in the car, especially in the trunk of the car. 655 00:41:09,887 --> 00:41:14,027 They found hair, which would later, through DNA testing, 656 00:41:14,028 --> 00:41:17,997 come back to be Deirdre O'Brien's hair. 657 00:41:17,998 --> 00:41:20,916 Nancy knew that Deirdre had been thrown in the trunk of the car. 658 00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,682 She described that. Nobody saw that. 659 00:41:22,683 --> 00:41:24,671 No witnesses saw Deirdre get thrown in the trunk. 660 00:41:24,672 --> 00:41:26,324 She saw it, though. 661 00:41:26,325 --> 00:41:28,808 He's taking Deirdre out of the trunk. 662 00:41:28,809 --> 00:41:31,470 It was mind-boggling. 663 00:41:31,471 --> 00:41:36,271 I knew how good she was, but this was huge. 664 00:41:41,563 --> 00:41:45,592 In my 33 years as a police officer, I've seen it all and just about done it all. 665 00:41:45,593 --> 00:41:49,162 But I was never so amazed by anything in my entire career 666 00:41:49,163 --> 00:41:53,111 as I was working with Nancy on this particular case. 667 00:41:53,112 --> 00:41:58,187 I'm 100% certain that as a psychic, Nancy Weber is the real deal. 668 00:41:58,188 --> 00:42:02,226 I said, Nancy, I said, everything that you told us was true. 669 00:42:02,227 --> 00:42:05,227 Absolutely everything. 670 00:42:07,981 --> 00:42:13,321 She made a believer out of me. I'll tell you that. 671 00:42:17,446 --> 00:42:19,126 _. 672 00:42:28,442 --> 00:42:30,122 _. 673 00:42:34,208 --> 00:42:37,543 Was I the woman who stabbed James Koedatich? 674 00:42:37,544 --> 00:42:39,125 Of course not. 675 00:42:39,126 --> 00:42:42,546 And not physically present. 676 00:42:42,716 --> 00:42:46,262 Did I match the description? Absolutely. 677 00:42:46,263 --> 00:42:50,066 I don't have the absolute answers. I don't think I ever will. 678 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,823 I know I'm very grateful for what has happened. 679 00:42:52,824 --> 00:42:57,093 That he was absolutely stopped, never to do anything again. 680 00:42:57,094 --> 00:43:02,994 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. Www.Addic7ed.Com. 681 00:43:03,305 --> 00:43:09,886 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 51633

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