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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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Land soaks up trauma.
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I got this flashing vision.
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It spelled out bloody murder.
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[Woman screams]
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I had never experienced
anything like this.
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There was this beast on this Earth.
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There was a huge sense of urgency.
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We knew beyond a shadow of a doubt
that this guy was gonna strike again.
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Somebody help!
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The clock was ticking.
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Amie Hoffman went missing
on November 23, 1982.
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Back in 1982,
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I was Commander of Investigations
of the Parsippany Police Department.
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Amie Hoffman was a resident of our town.
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We had found Amie's car, and her
pocketbook was left on the front seat.
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The driver's door was left open.
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We didn't know whether she was abducted.
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We didn't know whether she ran away.
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We just didn't know the
reason why she was missing.
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It was a couple of nights
before Thanksgiving,
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and I was preparing
for Thanksgiving dinner.
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[Children laughing]
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Give that back to your sister right now!
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I was recently separated.
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At the time, my son was
8 and my daughter, 13.
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I was busy. I had a very busy life.
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Give it back to your sister!
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[Timer buzzing]
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[Groans]
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[Phone rings]
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[Dark musical flourish]
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[Phone ringing]
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When the phone rang, I
had this sensation of...
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Almost like, you know, when you...
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You feel the hair rise
on the back of your neck.
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[Phone ringing]
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I don't really know
if the term psychic...
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If it's an appropriate term.
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[Phone rings]
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Other people labeled
it in a variety of ways.
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My Mother called me a witch.
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[Phone ringing, children laughing]
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The best way I can sum it up...
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It is very much like my
regular senses turned up high.
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I thought of it as intuition.
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And sometimes... such powerful
intuition... I cannot stop anything.
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I'm not in control of it at all.
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[Discordant musical flourish]
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Back in the corner of my mind,
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I had a vague impression
that I didn't want to look at.
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[Phone ringing]
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- Hello?
- Hi.
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I'm so sorry to bother you.
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My daughter's best
friend, Amie Hoffman...
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She's missing.
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She said, can you find Amie?
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I've heard about your abilities,
and we're just going crazy here.
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Please, can you at least try?
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She was so desperate to be
told everything would be okay.
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It would just make us feel so much better
if you could just tell us she was okay...
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[Dissonant music]
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[Unsettling music]
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Look, I'm... I'm... I'm so sorry.
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I said, why don't you please just either
call the family or the police involved...
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And give them my name.
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She said, yes, okay, I will.
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I believed Amie was dead,
and I prayed that I was wrong.
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Amie Hoffman's body was found in
the neighboring town of Randolph.
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It was a brutal, brutal murder.
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I felt so, so sorry for this young girl.
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Amie was a high school senior.
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She was a cheerleader.
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Very popular girl.
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Doesn't matter whether you're a police
officer or just an average Joe citizen;
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You take it to heart.
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I wanted to get this killer
right from the get-go.
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Guys, come on. Hurry up.
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Bus is gonna be here any minute, and
I don't want you to be late again.
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[Disturbed music]
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[Sighs]
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My heart sunk.
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I had so wished I was wrong.
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In the article, it was very clearly
stated that she wasn't raped.
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[Dissonant music]
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The vision I had was the word raped.
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My vision didn't match
the article, not at all.
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[Engine idling]
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I was a young Detective at the time.
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I'd probably been in the
Detective Bureau for about a year.
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I had met Nancy in Mount Olive township,
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and she'd worked with us
in the past as a psychic.
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But this was purely a social call.
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Do you know what's in
this newspaper is a lie?
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I'm like, what are you talking about?
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Both: Why are they lying?
Do you want some coffee?
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[Laughs]
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You know?
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I don't understand it,
Bill. They got it all wrong.
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What do you mean?
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Nancy says, the newspaper article says that
there's no sexual assault indicated here.
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She was definitely raped, Bill.
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Bill, I can see it like it's
right in front of my face.
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I said, Bill, he's gonna do it again.
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The murder investigation of
Amie Hoffman really took off.
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They decided to form a task force.
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Amie Hoffman's abandoned car was found in
the parking lot of the Morris County Mall.
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And there was a palpable buzz.
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You could feel the sense of
urgency and tension in the room.
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A witness saw a green, maybe
a blue sedan, possibly a Chevy.
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The suspect is thought
to be male, Caucasian...
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There was very, very little...
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A very vague descriptor of the car,
very vague descriptor of the attacker.
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There are multiple stab wounds.
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The autopsy indicates she was raped.
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The light bulb goes off
in the back of my head.
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I'm saying to myself, well,
gee, that's what Nancy told me.
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Maybe she can help us.
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Okay, that's it.
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The lead investigator
told us all to partner up.
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I got to find somebody that's
willing to sit down with Nancy.
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So I'm looking across the
room, and I see Jimmy Moore.
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Been a cop for 25 years. He's a Captain.
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I know he's seen it all.
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Captain Moore.
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Detective Bill Hughes, Mount Olive.
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And I looked at him, and he was
young. He was in his mid 20s, I guess.
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I really want to make a
difference in this case.
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- And I think I can learn a lot from you.
- You... you know I'm a Captain.
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He's thinking, we got the biggest murder
investigation in the County in years,
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and he wants to partner with me?
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Just give me a chance.
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So I said, yeah. I said, that's
fine, if you want to work with me.
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- I'll work with you.
- You won't regret it, Sir.
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[Siren blips]
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We go out to the car, out
to my car specifically.
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Jim figures he has a driver now. He
doesn't have to do his own driving.
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Jim's telling me what he
knows, which isn't much.
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Not much is an understatement.
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We didn't know where to look,
what to look at, who to look at.
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And I'm thinking to
myself, how in the hell
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am I gonna approach Jim
with using a psychic?
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Hey, Cap...
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And I figured he was
gonna bite my head off.
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What do you think of psychics?
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Not much.
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I thought, basically,
it's a lot of mumbo jumbo.
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Why?
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[Knock on door]
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Nancy, this is Captain Moore.
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Hi, Nancy.
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She just seemed like
a normal person to me.
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She didn't have a crystal
ball, or she wasn't
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carrying on or gazing up
into the sky or anything.
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I want you to tell Jim exactly what
you told me about Amie Hoffman's murder.
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[Clears throat]
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She was...
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She was knifed all over.
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She was raped.
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Nobody... no one other than the
lead detectives in this case knew...
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That Amie was sexually assaulted. We kept,
purposefully kept that out of the media.
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I wasn't sure...
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Was it a guess on her part,
or did she really see this?
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I couldn't tell what he was thinking.
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And I thought, I can't read him.
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I would hate to play
poker with that guy.
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There was a little bit of a
silence there for a couple seconds.
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I said, Nancy. I says, how do you
feel about taking a ride with us?
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I said, listen, you need
to understand something.
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You cannot tell me
anything about the case.
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I need to work completely cold.
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I can't make any assumptions,
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and I don't want to try and
get answers to fit what you say.
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I'll give you what I see, nothing more.
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All right.
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I thought that was a good sign,
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and I hadn't planned on telling
her anything about the case anyway.
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[Dramatic music]
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Call it psychic abilities.
It's just a word.
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Gifts... absolutely.
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I have a lot of different
gifts that we call paranormal.
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[Tires squeal]
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I've learned how to
honor and respect them,
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and I've learned that they're only
gifts when you serve with a good purpose.
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The first place we took
Nancy was to the Hanover Mall,
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where Amie Hoffman
had been abducted from.
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And we didn't tell Nancy
why we were going there.
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It's a huge mall.
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So Jim, being cagey as he is, he doesn't
want to take Nancy right to the spot.
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Yeah, just... just keep
going straight through here.
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And Nancy's saying, no, no, no, no.
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Go that way. Go that way.
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Sure enough we're going
in the right direction.
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Go that way.
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It's here. Stop the car.
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There was one area that felt like...
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It was alive with energy,
like a magnetic pull.
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The energy of trauma.
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She'll hold her hands out
and just kind of feel around.
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Bill and I just stood there.
We didn't say anything to her.
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We didn't offer her anything.
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[Dark music]
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And I pointed and said, here's the area.
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This is where she was abducted from.
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And I heard Jim mumble under
his breath, that's amazing.
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This is a huge mall, close
to 1,000 parking spaces in it.
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There is absolutely no way Nancy
could have known where to go.
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[Music]
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I was quite impressed.
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But I didn't let her know that.
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All traumatic events...
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Contain a different kind of energy.
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And within that are details.
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I see a green car.
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The witnesses had told us they saw
a man sitting in a green Chevrolet
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near Amie's car before the abduction.
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None of this information had been
released to the public at this point.
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And here. Here's another car.
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[Woman screaming disjointedly]
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I got this...
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Flashing vision, and
it happened so fast.
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So I stood there and
went into that vision.
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There's a car.
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There's a woman opening it up.
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A man gets get out of the green car.
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I can't really make
out a face or anything.
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I see this knife.
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[Man growls]
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[Woman screams]
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And I see him grab her...
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[Muffled yelping]
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[Dramatic music]
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He's dragging her back to his car.
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And throw her in the
seat and close the door.
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He's driving.
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[Tires squealing]
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These visions occurred
as if I had a camera.
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And I could replay that video.
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And the movie starts again.
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And she's opening the door,
and he's coming, running around.
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She goes into great detail.
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She had a purse. She
leaves it on the front seat.
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[Woman screams]
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Her door's open... of her car.
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That's exactly how the car was found.
The car was found with the door left open.
252
00:15:01,341 --> 00:15:04,776
The car was found with the
purse on the front seat.
253
00:15:04,777 --> 00:15:07,657
He drags her back.
254
00:15:07,780 --> 00:15:10,415
I can't make out his face.
255
00:15:10,416 --> 00:15:14,376
And I see, after he pulls away...
256
00:15:20,793 --> 00:15:22,894
There were three taillights at the rear.
257
00:15:22,895 --> 00:15:26,708
And I thought, very
important to remember.
258
00:15:26,709 --> 00:15:30,875
Specifically what the witness
saw was a green Chevy sedan.
259
00:15:30,876 --> 00:15:33,672
Noted for those three
taillights across the back.
260
00:15:33,673 --> 00:15:35,723
[Groans]
261
00:15:35,724 --> 00:15:39,734
That vehicle description had not been
released to the public at that point.
262
00:15:39,735 --> 00:15:45,517
To me, it was just totally amazing.
It was just... it blew me away.
263
00:15:45,518 --> 00:15:47,219
My heart was racing.
264
00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:49,221
I could imagine what
she was going through.
265
00:15:49,222 --> 00:15:54,682
I mean, she was a child,
actually, 17, I think, so...
266
00:16:04,971 --> 00:16:10,871
The next place that we take Nancy
is gonna be the murder scene.
267
00:16:10,977 --> 00:16:13,111
[Unsettling music]
268
00:16:13,112 --> 00:16:16,377
She knows we're taking her
someplace of significance,
269
00:16:16,378 --> 00:16:19,918
and she doesn't know
what happened there.
270
00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:25,819
So I'm looking in the mirror, and
she's becoming more and more distressed.
271
00:16:26,626 --> 00:16:28,832
I felt overwhelmed.
272
00:16:28,833 --> 00:16:34,293
And I knew that we were
heading to a site of murder.
273
00:16:45,978 --> 00:16:48,378
[Dark music]
274
00:16:54,454 --> 00:16:57,519
It was like I was listening
to commands inside.
275
00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,415
Walk here.
276
00:16:59,416 --> 00:17:02,776
Slow down. Walk this way.
277
00:17:06,499 --> 00:17:10,819
And then all of a sudden, she stopped.
278
00:17:15,274 --> 00:17:17,854
[Woman screams]
279
00:17:23,783 --> 00:17:25,817
She knew exactly where to take us.
280
00:17:25,818 --> 00:17:29,075
There were no footprints. There
was no police tape, no signs.
281
00:17:29,076 --> 00:17:31,743
No paint on the ground... nothing.
282
00:17:31,744 --> 00:17:35,227
This particular area was so congealed...
283
00:17:35,228 --> 00:17:37,808
Heavy, heavy...
284
00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:40,670
[Metal tinkling]
285
00:17:42,335 --> 00:17:47,015
Soaked with metallic,
spiky, needle, knife...
286
00:17:47,057 --> 00:17:48,544
Energy.
287
00:17:48,545 --> 00:17:52,745
Thick as water, hard to move through.
288
00:17:55,563 --> 00:17:59,566
Land soaks up trauma and holds it.
289
00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:01,953
The air around holds it.
290
00:18:01,954 --> 00:18:04,748
It was so congealed; It was...
291
00:18:04,749 --> 00:18:08,829
As if it spelled out bloody murder.
292
00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:12,930
No!
293
00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:17,320
This is where it happened.
294
00:18:20,664 --> 00:18:26,424
I just stayed very quiet until
I felt I could hear her...
295
00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:31,194
[Indistinct sobbing]
296
00:18:31,384 --> 00:18:33,385
Cries for help.
297
00:18:33,386 --> 00:18:34,853
[Crying]
298
00:18:34,854 --> 00:18:36,388
Please let me go.
299
00:18:36,389 --> 00:18:38,429
[Cries]
300
00:18:38,458 --> 00:18:41,278
I can hear her...
301
00:18:42,628 --> 00:18:43,962
[Indistinct sobbing]
302
00:18:43,963 --> 00:18:45,397
Pleading with him.
303
00:18:45,398 --> 00:18:49,058
- Please let me go.
- Please.
304
00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:53,784
[Screaming]
305
00:18:55,475 --> 00:18:59,854
She was absolutely distraught and
appeared to be in a lot of pain.
306
00:18:59,855 --> 00:19:01,574
He's showing her a knife.
307
00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:04,886
And suddenly, I could feel his...
308
00:19:04,887 --> 00:19:08,119
Absolute delight at doing what he did.
309
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,536
He's enjoying it.
310
00:19:09,537 --> 00:19:10,938
[Growls]
311
00:19:10,939 --> 00:19:11,808
[Yells]
312
00:19:11,809 --> 00:19:14,749
Oh, this poor girl.
313
00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:19,331
[Shrieks]
314
00:19:19,332 --> 00:19:21,612
[Screaming]
315
00:19:23,104 --> 00:19:28,624
I suddenly get a sharp pain
and know he cut her body.
316
00:19:28,741 --> 00:19:31,510
It was... it was somewhat emotional.
317
00:19:31,511 --> 00:19:34,786
It's just like watching the crime
be committed in front of you,
318
00:19:34,787 --> 00:19:37,215
and there's nothing you can do about it.
319
00:19:37,216 --> 00:19:40,151
And the brutality was enormous.
320
00:19:40,152 --> 00:19:41,186
[Quivers]
321
00:19:41,187 --> 00:19:42,888
[Cries]
322
00:19:42,889 --> 00:19:44,389
[Screams]
323
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:46,910
[Solemn music]
324
00:19:52,398 --> 00:19:56,538
He's stabbing her after she's dead!
325
00:19:56,903 --> 00:20:02,156
Forensic evidence showed that there
were postmortem wounds to her body.
326
00:20:02,157 --> 00:20:06,795
How did Nancy know that
Amie was cut after death?
327
00:20:06,796 --> 00:20:09,616
No one knew that.
328
00:20:11,517 --> 00:20:13,557
[Music]
329
00:20:20,974 --> 00:20:22,654
_.
330
00:20:26,289 --> 00:20:27,969
_.
331
00:20:32,283 --> 00:20:34,284
I needed to find concrete facts.
332
00:20:34,285 --> 00:20:38,855
I needed to find something that
the police could do something with.
333
00:20:38,856 --> 00:20:41,016
[Panting]
334
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:47,770
I see him.
335
00:20:50,034 --> 00:20:52,448
Around 6 feet tall.
336
00:20:52,449 --> 00:20:54,562
Dark hair.
337
00:20:54,563 --> 00:20:57,623
Slim face, slim body.
338
00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:01,445
About 6 feet. Skinny guy.
339
00:21:01,446 --> 00:21:04,746
[Thrilling music swelling]
340
00:21:08,043 --> 00:21:09,403
I was awestruck.
341
00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:11,504
[Crying]
342
00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:15,590
Going back to the car...
343
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,458
I wasn't sure whether
this was real or an act.
344
00:21:19,459 --> 00:21:24,619
Because I had never
experienced anything like this.
345
00:21:26,504 --> 00:21:31,670
She was giving us tons of information,
but it was nothing we could act on.
346
00:21:31,671 --> 00:21:34,802
There was a huge sense of
urgency here because we knew
347
00:21:34,803 --> 00:21:39,058
beyond a shadow of a doubt that
this guy was gonna strike again.
348
00:21:39,059 --> 00:21:42,179
The clock was ticking.
349
00:21:44,822 --> 00:21:50,162
It becomes such an all-pervasive
sensation inside me.
350
00:21:51,356 --> 00:21:56,816
The knowledge that there
was this beast on this Earth.
351
00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:59,512
This is a man who's hunting.
352
00:21:59,513 --> 00:22:02,000
[Woman screaming]
353
00:22:02,001 --> 00:22:04,289
Oh, my God. He's hunting.
354
00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,870
[Beastly snarl]
355
00:22:08,434 --> 00:22:13,583
It was one of the more
helpless moments of my life.
356
00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:18,071
Where I knew what was going to happen...
couldn't do a single thing about it.
357
00:22:18,072 --> 00:22:21,492
[Thrilling musical flourish]
358
00:22:23,749 --> 00:22:28,086
The body of a second girl has been found
in Allamuchy Township, Warren County.
359
00:22:28,087 --> 00:22:32,290
Police sources refuse to confirm or deny
any connection with the brutal slaying...
360
00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:34,032
The girl...
361
00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:38,353
Was found in a rest area on Route 80.
362
00:22:38,493 --> 00:22:41,835
Her name was Deirdre O'Brien.
363
00:22:41,836 --> 00:22:46,540
There was a witness, a truck
driver who had stopped to rest.
364
00:22:46,541 --> 00:22:52,379
He saw this green sedan go through
the rest area, back onto the highway.
365
00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:55,182
I was really overwhelmed.
366
00:22:55,183 --> 00:22:57,519
I then knew that we had a serial killer.
367
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,589
And this individual probably would
not stop killing until we found him.
368
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,392
Ms. O'Brien, 25, was driving
to her parents' home...
369
00:23:05,393 --> 00:23:08,896
Total helplessness and frustration.
370
00:23:08,897 --> 00:23:10,688
Forced off the road,
and she was abducted...
371
00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:13,884
And the panic level of
everyone was skyrocketing.
372
00:23:13,885 --> 00:23:17,545
All the police departments in the area,
the state police, were on a high alert.
373
00:23:17,546 --> 00:23:20,741
At any moment, he could
leap out on anybody.
374
00:23:20,742 --> 00:23:22,443
Asked about any possible connections...
375
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,327
I wouldn't drive at night. I
wouldn't go in the car at night.
376
00:23:25,328 --> 00:23:28,349
I didn't want my
children out of my sight.
377
00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:31,289
But detectives have
very few leads to go on.
378
00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:33,120
I was eager to get on with it.
379
00:23:33,121 --> 00:23:35,923
Now all I wanted is... let's go.
380
00:23:35,924 --> 00:23:38,564
[Resolute music]
381
00:23:39,194 --> 00:23:40,845
We thought that we would continue,
382
00:23:40,846 --> 00:23:46,746
and hope that Nancy would come up with
more information for us to work on.
383
00:23:47,535 --> 00:23:48,803
I asked Jim, where to now?
384
00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:54,704
And he says, all right, take us
up to the rest area in Allamuchy.
385
00:24:02,083 --> 00:24:07,498
Interstate 80 and the Allamuchy rest
area is desolate and kind of strange.
386
00:24:07,499 --> 00:24:12,419
It's not a place where
you want to hang out.
387
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:23,267
And I walked a little bit...
388
00:24:29,729 --> 00:24:32,980
And I turn around, and
I look at the highway.
389
00:24:32,981 --> 00:24:36,250
And then she looked
behind us, and she says...
390
00:24:36,251 --> 00:24:41,289
I see that same green car, that filthy
car with the three taillights on each side.
391
00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:44,770
I see that same green car.
392
00:24:58,673 --> 00:25:01,133
It was here.
393
00:25:01,443 --> 00:25:07,343
And that was exactly where the
truck driver had seen the car.
394
00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:16,623
[Discordant musical flourish]
395
00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:20,284
He's getting out of the car.
396
00:25:20,783 --> 00:25:24,563
He takes her out of his trunk.
397
00:25:26,203 --> 00:25:28,363
[Screams]
398
00:25:30,472 --> 00:25:32,940
Please. I have to go home.
399
00:25:32,941 --> 00:25:35,221
[Screaming]
400
00:25:36,444 --> 00:25:39,624
[Melancholy piano music]
401
00:25:40,782 --> 00:25:44,284
He knifed her in the abdomen...
402
00:25:44,285 --> 00:25:46,787
Throwing her out like a piece of trash.
403
00:25:46,788 --> 00:25:50,508
He's getting back in the car.
404
00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:57,309
He's driving away.
405
00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:02,809
You could see... you can see the uh...
406
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:06,673
Torture on Nancy's face
and the pain in her eyes.
407
00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:07,975
[Coughs]
408
00:26:07,976 --> 00:26:09,209
Oh, my God!
409
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,879
Oh, my God! She's still alive.
410
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,181
And I realized she wasn't dead.
411
00:26:14,182 --> 00:26:16,582
Oh, my God.
412
00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:32,149
I didn't... I felt a truck nearby.
413
00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:43,302
Help me!
414
00:26:43,545 --> 00:26:45,786
This is the truck.
415
00:26:45,787 --> 00:26:47,381
There's nothing parked there.
416
00:26:47,382 --> 00:26:49,761
There's nothing there, but
she says, this is the truck.
417
00:26:49,762 --> 00:26:53,662
She stood up by the truck and...
418
00:26:54,455 --> 00:26:57,324
Banging on that door.
419
00:26:57,325 --> 00:26:58,492
Help me!
420
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:00,653
[Banging]
421
00:27:00,762 --> 00:27:05,165
And... and you can actually see her
start to bang on the door of the truck...
422
00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:07,247
Help me!
423
00:27:07,248 --> 00:27:09,636
But she's just beating dead air.
424
00:27:09,637 --> 00:27:10,971
[Weeping] Please...
425
00:27:10,972 --> 00:27:13,072
[Groans]
426
00:27:13,474 --> 00:27:15,454
God...
427
00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:18,111
The truck driver...
428
00:27:18,112 --> 00:27:21,592
He wraps her in a blanket.
429
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:25,190
She's losing the fight.
430
00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:30,157
She looked in the truck
driver's eyes and thanked him.
431
00:27:30,158 --> 00:27:32,377
Her dying breath, thank you.
432
00:27:32,378 --> 00:27:35,246
Both: I know I'm dying.
433
00:27:35,247 --> 00:27:37,527
Thank you.
434
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,316
I know I'm dying.
435
00:27:40,317 --> 00:27:43,317
No, no, you're not.
436
00:27:44,439 --> 00:27:45,772
[Groaning]
437
00:27:45,773 --> 00:27:47,608
It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay.
438
00:27:47,609 --> 00:27:50,729
She died in his arms.
439
00:27:54,849 --> 00:27:57,369
Somebody help!
440
00:27:57,986 --> 00:27:59,419
Somebody help!
441
00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,822
I still... I can't...
442
00:28:01,823 --> 00:28:03,957
That was so...
443
00:28:03,958 --> 00:28:04,986
[Sighs]
444
00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:07,507
Somebody help!
445
00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:10,749
Somebody help!
446
00:28:11,399 --> 00:28:13,919
Somebody help!
447
00:28:14,602 --> 00:28:15,636
[Inhales sharply]
448
00:28:15,637 --> 00:28:18,457
[Breathing heavily]
449
00:28:22,377 --> 00:28:26,077
That is exactly what Deirdre said
to him, that she knew she was dying,
450
00:28:26,078 --> 00:28:30,758
and she thanked him,
and I can confirm it.
451
00:28:35,605 --> 00:28:37,645
[Music]
452
00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:41,358
_.
453
00:28:45,121 --> 00:28:46,801
_.
454
00:28:51,309 --> 00:28:54,484
There was nothing in the papers,
nothing on the television about what
455
00:28:54,485 --> 00:28:59,045
the truck driver said or what
transpired between him and Deirdre.
456
00:28:59,046 --> 00:29:02,586
So how did Nancy know that?
457
00:29:04,289 --> 00:29:09,089
The next moment, I'm
feeling just cold rage.
458
00:29:14,732 --> 00:29:16,406
I kept looking...
459
00:29:16,407 --> 00:29:21,038
As if I could reverse the film again
and again, and every time I did...
460
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,679
[Resolute music]
461
00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:28,949
Something else would get sharper.
462
00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:35,521
But I couldn't stop it
long enough to see him.
463
00:29:41,192 --> 00:29:43,727
As I kept watching this video...
464
00:29:43,728 --> 00:29:46,548
[Music intensifies]
465
00:29:59,410 --> 00:30:04,381
There was a moment where his
eyes and mine connected totally.
466
00:30:04,382 --> 00:30:06,339
I could see his face.
467
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,386
I could see the very
angular plane of his face.
468
00:30:09,387 --> 00:30:13,229
I could see his paper-white
skin, almost pasty skin.
469
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,693
She told us that she had a clear
view of what this guy looked like.
470
00:30:16,694 --> 00:30:18,549
She could actually see him.
471
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:22,930
The intense response I had inside was...
472
00:30:23,501 --> 00:30:24,835
Got you.
473
00:30:24,836 --> 00:30:26,996
Got you.
474
00:30:30,475 --> 00:30:34,778
The next thing I knew, I felt
like I'm in that green car.
475
00:30:34,779 --> 00:30:38,048
I looked down; It was a man's hands.
476
00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:41,949
And they were long fingers, slim.
477
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:47,860
I felt that I was looking
through the eyes of a killer.
478
00:30:53,998 --> 00:30:57,306
By this time, we'd been by
all the murder scenes and,
479
00:30:57,307 --> 00:30:59,696
Nancy had come up with a
lot of good information,
480
00:30:59,697 --> 00:31:02,282
but it was nothing we could act on.
481
00:31:02,283 --> 00:31:07,575
What we needed from her was
relatives, a place of business, a name.
482
00:31:07,576 --> 00:31:11,536
I felt that it was beyond urgent.
483
00:31:16,454 --> 00:31:18,789
All of a sudden, Nancy perks
up, and she says, Bill...
484
00:31:18,790 --> 00:31:19,879
What town are we in?
485
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,192
I says, well, we're in
Mendham Township right now.
486
00:31:22,193 --> 00:31:25,062
He's got a real deep
hatred for the cops here.
487
00:31:25,063 --> 00:31:27,264
There's only one reason a
guy doesn't like the cops...
488
00:31:27,265 --> 00:31:31,001
They've either gotten a ticket, or they've
gotten locked up by the Police Department.
489
00:31:31,002 --> 00:31:34,635
So I said, well, let's take a ride
by Mendham Township Police Department,
490
00:31:34,636 --> 00:31:39,676
see if they can help us
out here a little bit.
491
00:31:39,811 --> 00:31:44,715
We told the Captain we had a person
with us that might have some information.
492
00:31:44,716 --> 00:31:46,765
I had no idea what I would say.
493
00:31:46,766 --> 00:31:51,626
Jimmy and Bill had no
idea what I would say.
494
00:31:51,989 --> 00:31:54,569
[Clears throat]
495
00:31:56,294 --> 00:31:57,794
And suddenly...
496
00:31:57,795 --> 00:31:59,663
[Siren blips]
497
00:31:59,664 --> 00:32:04,634
I blurted out everything, wondering
where those words were coming from.
498
00:32:04,635 --> 00:32:06,269
You have a police officer...
499
00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:08,905
Who, in the summer, gave at least...
500
00:32:08,906 --> 00:32:11,966
One ticket to a man.
501
00:32:13,644 --> 00:32:17,904
And that police officer's last name...
502
00:32:18,983 --> 00:32:21,457
Begins with a C.
503
00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:24,160
Uh, well, you... that's...
you're thinking of Costanza.
504
00:32:24,161 --> 00:32:25,834
[Echoing] Costanza, Costanza...
505
00:32:25,835 --> 00:32:28,415
Costanza. Yeah.
506
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,793
And the ticket...
507
00:32:34,699 --> 00:32:37,400
Costanza issued him the
ticket. I can see it happening.
508
00:32:37,401 --> 00:32:43,041
I said, I'm pretty sure
Costanza will know who this is.
509
00:32:47,345 --> 00:32:49,385
[Sighs]
510
00:32:51,449 --> 00:32:52,784
I may have a name.
511
00:32:52,785 --> 00:32:56,453
I kept seeing pieces of a name.
512
00:32:56,454 --> 00:32:58,188
James.
513
00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:00,824
She saw a name...
514
00:33:00,825 --> 00:33:02,058
K.
515
00:33:02,059 --> 00:33:03,827
A partial name.
516
00:33:03,828 --> 00:33:06,048
Something.
517
00:33:06,297 --> 00:33:08,435
James K...
518
00:33:08,436 --> 00:33:10,133
Something. Kuh.
519
00:33:10,134 --> 00:33:11,874
I.
520
00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:14,510
C.
521
00:33:15,273 --> 00:33:17,013
H.
522
00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:18,772
Kuh... [mutters]
523
00:33:18,773 --> 00:33:20,633
Ich.
524
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:22,683
[Groans]
525
00:33:22,684 --> 00:33:25,297
And I could not make
out the middle of it.
526
00:33:25,298 --> 00:33:26,991
But I can't see the other letters.
527
00:33:26,992 --> 00:33:28,985
Out of the clear blue
sky, she blurts this out.
528
00:33:28,986 --> 00:33:30,353
I'm sorry. I can't.
529
00:33:30,354 --> 00:33:32,289
That was a big moment for us.
530
00:33:32,290 --> 00:33:34,666
- Can we speak to Costanza?
- He's on vacation.
531
00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:36,674
He doesn't come in again till Monday.
532
00:33:36,675 --> 00:33:40,664
Back in the '80s, when officers
were off duty, they were off duty.
533
00:33:40,665 --> 00:33:41,932
Where can we get a hold of him?
534
00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:44,109
You can't get a hold
of him until Monday.
535
00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:47,470
And you got to remember, this is
1982. There are no cell phones.
536
00:33:47,471 --> 00:33:49,105
That's protocol. Sorry, guys.
537
00:33:49,106 --> 00:33:50,740
We were powerless at that point.
538
00:33:50,741 --> 00:33:52,057
Thanks for your time.
539
00:33:52,058 --> 00:33:54,562
You can only imagine the
frustration that we're going through.
540
00:33:54,563 --> 00:34:00,463
We knew we had something that... it could
break the case, and we can't get to it.
541
00:34:00,551 --> 00:34:03,887
All of a sudden, an alert
goes out over the radio system.
542
00:34:03,888 --> 00:34:08,391
All task force members are called
to meet at police headquarters.
543
00:34:08,392 --> 00:34:12,142
So I drop Jim and Nancy off, and
I'm gonna look for a parking place.
544
00:34:12,143 --> 00:34:15,494
I was kind of excited about
being able to tell the prosecutor
545
00:34:15,495 --> 00:34:18,568
what we had discovered with Nancy.
546
00:34:18,569 --> 00:34:22,923
I thought, maybe with the
prosecutor's influence...
547
00:34:22,924 --> 00:34:26,226
We might be able to go to the
Mendham Township Police Department and
548
00:34:26,227 --> 00:34:28,778
check the files over the weekend
instead of waiting till Monday.
549
00:34:28,779 --> 00:34:31,419
[Dramatic music]
550
00:34:31,782 --> 00:34:34,918
We walked in, and I
heard somebody shout...
551
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:36,498
Get her out of here!
552
00:34:36,499 --> 00:34:39,559
Get her out of here.
553
00:34:42,586 --> 00:34:44,626
[Music]
554
00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:47,913
_.
555
00:34:51,496 --> 00:34:53,176
_.
556
00:34:56,772 --> 00:34:58,172
Get her out of here!
557
00:34:58,173 --> 00:34:59,817
She is not coming in here.
558
00:34:59,818 --> 00:35:03,010
What are you talking about? I says, you
haven't even heard what we have to say.
559
00:35:03,011 --> 00:35:04,274
I don't want to hear it.
560
00:35:04,275 --> 00:35:06,193
I know that woman. She's a psychic.
561
00:35:06,194 --> 00:35:07,797
I was pissed at the prosecutor.
562
00:35:07,798 --> 00:35:13,698
Why would you not want to listen
to possible good information?
563
00:35:14,174 --> 00:35:15,327
I said, well, you know what?
564
00:35:15,328 --> 00:35:17,350
Well, you know what?
If you don't want her...
565
00:35:17,351 --> 00:35:19,018
Then you don't want me.
566
00:35:19,019 --> 00:35:20,631
I said, we're out of here.
567
00:35:20,632 --> 00:35:22,552
Fine.
568
00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:26,960
And I see 'em. This ain't good.
569
00:35:26,961 --> 00:35:29,841
Cap, what happened?
570
00:35:30,486 --> 00:35:33,488
Jim is livid. Jim is hot.
571
00:35:33,489 --> 00:35:36,191
He had 20 years of experience.
572
00:35:36,192 --> 00:35:40,812
They had no right to
treat him like that.
573
00:35:43,832 --> 00:35:48,392
I was now troubled
beyond, beyond, beyond.
574
00:35:48,822 --> 00:35:52,002
My temperature was 105.
575
00:35:52,571 --> 00:35:57,139
What's the point of being
that close to the horrors...
576
00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:00,260
If I cannot stop him?
577
00:36:03,118 --> 00:36:06,058
The vision I got...
578
00:36:06,614 --> 00:36:09,191
Was of one of impending danger.
579
00:36:09,192 --> 00:36:13,212
This man who was stalking a woman.
580
00:36:17,363 --> 00:36:21,133
I thought, oh, we have
got to do something here.
581
00:36:21,134 --> 00:36:23,894
[Unsettling music]
582
00:36:26,565 --> 00:36:29,685
Hi. I need your help.
583
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:35,719
For years, I taught an open group of
meditation and psychic development.
584
00:36:35,746 --> 00:36:38,185
I realized, with my students that,
585
00:36:38,186 --> 00:36:41,956
if we gather energy together,
it becomes amplified.
586
00:36:41,957 --> 00:36:47,857
Here were four people who I knew
to be very psychically clear.
587
00:36:49,465 --> 00:36:53,735
I said, now, we need to
make a difference here.
588
00:36:53,736 --> 00:36:59,256
So we made a circuit, and
we were boosting the signal.
589
00:37:00,409 --> 00:37:03,219
I said, build the power with me.
590
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:08,118
Take that energy, like
taking a lightning bolt.
591
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:13,759
I kept him fully dead center
in the middle of the room.
592
00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:18,208
And I... my heart started going...
593
00:37:18,209 --> 00:37:21,509
[Imitates rapid heartbeat]
594
00:37:22,361 --> 00:37:25,579
I could feel him ready to pounce on her.
595
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:31,009
I was looking at him as if
he was a bug in a microscope.
596
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:33,022
You don't get to play that way.
597
00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:35,142
Got to nail him.
598
00:37:35,143 --> 00:37:37,537
And I said, bring home to him...
599
00:37:37,538 --> 00:37:39,860
Both: All the pain...
600
00:37:39,861 --> 00:37:41,428
That he has given to women.
601
00:37:41,429 --> 00:37:43,147
[Dramatic music]
602
00:37:43,148 --> 00:37:46,200
Let him feel it and let
him feel it in a way...
603
00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:49,582
That he could never give
it out to anybody else...
604
00:37:49,583 --> 00:37:52,163
In this world.
605
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:01,640
You need to be gone.
606
00:38:14,129 --> 00:38:20,029
And when I was done, I felt that
something was finished for me.
607
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:28,275
[Whispering] Oh, no, please, no, God.
608
00:38:28,276 --> 00:38:30,976
Not another one.
609
00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:33,347
What did you do, Nancy?
610
00:38:33,348 --> 00:38:38,088
She says, what do you
mean, what did I do?
611
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:42,856
I said, they caught the killer.
612
00:38:42,857 --> 00:38:46,517
And the relief was monumental.
613
00:38:47,328 --> 00:38:51,073
On the night of January
16th, early Sunday morning.
614
00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:53,734
A man called 911...
615
00:38:53,735 --> 00:38:56,722
And stated that he had
been stabbed in the back.
616
00:38:56,723 --> 00:39:01,023
So when I got to the scene,
they found a Chevy sedan,
617
00:39:01,024 --> 00:39:03,543
with three lights across the back.
618
00:39:03,544 --> 00:39:08,699
And a man was there,
bleeding from a minor wound.
619
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,345
One of the officers on the scene
recalled there was something
620
00:39:11,346 --> 00:39:15,054
about a green Chevy with three
taillights involved in this case.
621
00:39:15,055 --> 00:39:19,433
He remembered that that was the
kind of car that we were looking for.
622
00:39:19,434 --> 00:39:22,014
And when they questioned the owner...
623
00:39:22,015 --> 00:39:24,387
They asked him who he was.
624
00:39:24,388 --> 00:39:26,548
My name?
625
00:39:27,318 --> 00:39:30,560
Jim says, you'll never guess
what the name of the guy is.
626
00:39:30,561 --> 00:39:33,381
[Suspenseful music]
627
00:39:35,822 --> 00:39:39,302
My name is James Koedatich.
628
00:39:39,637 --> 00:39:41,695
That's the name!
629
00:39:41,696 --> 00:39:43,172
I said, Koedatich!
630
00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:44,290
[Gasps]
631
00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,553
Oh, my God. It is him.
632
00:39:46,554 --> 00:39:50,122
I just started laughing. How
close was Nancy on that name?
633
00:39:50,123 --> 00:39:53,344
- That's the name.
- Nancy...
634
00:39:53,345 --> 00:39:54,984
[Exhales deeply]
635
00:39:54,985 --> 00:39:56,085
What did you do?
636
00:39:56,086 --> 00:39:58,419
He kept saying to me, what did you do?
637
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:00,163
What do you mean, what did I do?
638
00:40:00,164 --> 00:40:04,727
He claims he was stabbed in the back by
a woman with shoulder-length brown hair.
639
00:40:04,728 --> 00:40:09,371
And then when I described the
alleged woman that stabbed Koedatich.
640
00:40:09,372 --> 00:40:15,272
I said, he was describing you, because
the general description fits you perfectly.
641
00:40:17,207 --> 00:40:20,901
Anyhow, the wound was self-inflicted.
642
00:40:20,902 --> 00:40:23,778
They found out that there
was no woman involved.
643
00:40:23,779 --> 00:40:28,099
He stabbed himself and then called 911.
644
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:32,330
Why he did that... we'll never know.
645
00:40:32,752 --> 00:40:34,424
[Indistinct radio chatter]
646
00:40:34,425 --> 00:40:37,103
When they did Forensics
on the inside of the car...
647
00:40:37,104 --> 00:40:39,768
I was amazed with what they found.
648
00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:44,209
I mean, I was just... I was blown away.
649
00:40:45,753 --> 00:40:47,793
[Music]
650
00:40:49,753 --> 00:40:51,433
_.
651
00:40:56,493 --> 00:40:59,812
When they did Forensics, they
found some blood in the car that...
652
00:40:59,813 --> 00:41:03,316
It would turn out...
belonged to Amie Hoffman.
653
00:41:03,317 --> 00:41:06,649
He's throwing her in the back seat.
654
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:09,886
And they found a lot of evidence in the
car, especially in the trunk of the car.
655
00:41:09,887 --> 00:41:14,027
They found hair, which would
later, through DNA testing,
656
00:41:14,028 --> 00:41:17,997
come back to be Deirdre O'Brien's hair.
657
00:41:17,998 --> 00:41:20,916
Nancy knew that Deirdre had been
thrown in the trunk of the car.
658
00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,682
She described that. Nobody saw that.
659
00:41:22,683 --> 00:41:24,671
No witnesses saw Deirdre
get thrown in the trunk.
660
00:41:24,672 --> 00:41:26,324
She saw it, though.
661
00:41:26,325 --> 00:41:28,808
He's taking Deirdre out of the trunk.
662
00:41:28,809 --> 00:41:31,470
It was mind-boggling.
663
00:41:31,471 --> 00:41:36,271
I knew how good she
was, but this was huge.
664
00:41:41,563 --> 00:41:45,592
In my 33 years as a police officer, I've
seen it all and just about done it all.
665
00:41:45,593 --> 00:41:49,162
But I was never so amazed by
anything in my entire career
666
00:41:49,163 --> 00:41:53,111
as I was working with Nancy
on this particular case.
667
00:41:53,112 --> 00:41:58,187
I'm 100% certain that as a psychic,
Nancy Weber is the real deal.
668
00:41:58,188 --> 00:42:02,226
I said, Nancy, I said, everything
that you told us was true.
669
00:42:02,227 --> 00:42:05,227
Absolutely everything.
670
00:42:07,981 --> 00:42:13,321
She made a believer out
of me. I'll tell you that.
671
00:42:17,446 --> 00:42:19,126
_.
672
00:42:28,442 --> 00:42:30,122
_.
673
00:42:34,208 --> 00:42:37,543
Was I the woman who
stabbed James Koedatich?
674
00:42:37,544 --> 00:42:39,125
Of course not.
675
00:42:39,126 --> 00:42:42,546
And not physically present.
676
00:42:42,716 --> 00:42:46,262
Did I match the description? Absolutely.
677
00:42:46,263 --> 00:42:50,066
I don't have the absolute
answers. I don't think I ever will.
678
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,823
I know I'm very grateful
for what has happened.
679
00:42:52,824 --> 00:42:57,093
That he was absolutely stopped,
never to do anything again.
680
00:42:57,094 --> 00:43:02,994
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