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If there was ever a place that there
would be paranormal activity,

it would be Fox Hollow Farm.

If investigators are right, Herbert
Baumeister, a Hamilton County businessman,

was a serial killer.

I am the biggest skeptic.

But it felt like someone was there.

I saw someone.

There's stuff going on
that I can't explain.

Who is there?

I had the sensation to run.

I was running for my life.

True fear.

True panic.

I was scared to death.

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44212.

Getting close.

Oh, yes. There's the sign.

- Yeah. Oh, good, good, good.
- Okay, we're here.

In 2006, we decided we needed more space.

Hi, there, are you here
for Fox Hollow Farm?

Ah, yeah. Rob Graves.

Everyone loves a good deal.

And on outwards appearance,
it was a great deal...

And it was a steal, actually.

I really wanted a change from city life
and from having neighbors close by...

Somewhere we could just be ourselves.

My goodness. Is that the house?

The first time that we saw the
house, it was very impressive.

Just the way that the property is laid
out and the architecture of the home,

it's just... it's beautiful.

And here we have an 800-square-foot room.

Great place for entertaining your guests.

Wow.

It was breathtaking.

You walk into the home, you walk
into the living room, and...

You want to stay.

Another feature that the house
had was a swimming pool.

It's a large swimming pool, 18x36 feet.

I was thinking, wow I can't
believe that you could actually

buy a home that you have a
swimming pool in your basement.

It's like, how cool is that?

So you guys follow me, and
I'll show you the rest.

Fox Hollow Farm is a beautiful house.

It's in a very desirable location.

It's a desirable property,
but no one's living here.

You just start to ask yourself, what...
what's going on?

It started to dawn on me that...

This might be a property
that I had remembered,

hearing about in the local
news some time ago.

Oh, uh, this place...

So I asked the realtor, is this in fact
the place where Herb Baumeister lived?

He said, yes, that's why
it was such a good deal.

It took years to unravel the mystery,
but investigators say they now know

who killed nine young men, ages 16 to 30.

A small army of investigators blanketed
the normally tranquil Fox Hollow Farm.

After detectives dug up the remains of
seven men buried on the wooded estate.

The feeling of everybody right now is
that one person did all these crimes.

And that person is...

Herb Baumeister.

Want to go out to see the grounds?

Uh, yeah, sure.

This is Herb Baumeister's house.

Vicki and I walked away and just
talked amongst ourselves for a moment.

And I said, could you live here?
Would it bother you?

And initially, she said, I don't know.

See, there's the apartment
above the barn, uh...

It's really big.

I'm a medical laboratory scientist, so I
worked in a hospital all of my career.

Death and dying is part of living.
It's part of life.

But when you go into a home where you
know people have lost their lives,

you just feel kind of different.

- Honey?
- Oh!

Oh, sorry. Wow.
It's dark in here, huh? Come on.

Rob and I talked about
the impact on our family

from living in a home, you know, that
had once been owned by a serial killer.

A lot of people live in homes
where people have passed away,

and they may not even know
it when they buy the home.

You know, at least we
knew this going into it.

Whoa!

- All right.
- Ah.

Boys!

Come for dinner!

Coming!

We have two teenage boys
that love to use the pool.

There was a lot of gravel
that had been tracked in,

and I thought, I really
need to vacuum this.

I'm starting to suck up some gravel.

All of a sudden, the vacuum turns off.

It's like, oh, great. I pulled it.

You know, I've unplugged it
from the extension cord.

So I plug it back in.

And the vacuum turns off again.

So I stand up. I look.

And this time, the cord's pulled apart,
and it's about 12 inches apart,

and they're just laying there.

And I'm thinking to myself,
this is really odd.

Because I know that I didn't pull it apart.

Oh!

It... it just kind of... it startled me.

The hairs on the back of
my neck just stood up.

It was definitely a...

Unsettling presence there.

It felt like someone was there.

And it felt like someone
didn't want me there.

I work at a car dealership, and Joe
had just come to work with us.

I met Rob at the car
dealership where we work,

and he and I were pretty good buddies.

He was chronically late.

He couldn't get to work
on time, and I said, why?

Sorry.

What's the problem?

Traffic's just insane.

It was taking me a long time to get
to my new job from where I lived.

It was 55 minutes away.

So I decided to find a new apartment
on the north side of town.

You know, Vicki and I have a...

I offered a solution to his commute.

I said that we have an apartment
at the house that no one's using.

So why don't you come check it out?

- Really?
- Yeah, really.

Rob told me about...
briefly about the history.

He didn't hide anything from me, but he
didn't tell me a lot about it either.

But it didn't really affect me much.

All the things that were there at
the time during the murders...

Has all, since then, been gutted.

So, like, all the bad things were all gone.

So the day came when I moved in.

And we're unloading all the trucks into
the apartment, putting boxes down.

That's fine. Wherever.

I thought it was a beautiful place.

And I thought it would be a great
fit for my dog, Fred, and I.

Okay. Oh, man...

Whoa.

Oh, jeez.

- Are we done?
- We're done, yes.

Once we finally got everything...
last piece moved in, I was just relieved.

- Okay, I'll see you later.
- Okay. Thanks, Rob.

I was very, very tired and uh...

Sat down and just fell asleep.

I was so exhausted.

I don't remember most of my dreams,
usually, but this one, I did.

I had the sensation to run.

I felt like something was chasing me.

I was running from something bad.

I was running for my life.

Run!

I got up to run...

And smashed into the door frame.

I just fell to my face.

And I just laid there in so much pain.

There were shards of glass everywhere,
and I got it into my fingers.

I don't know what I was running from,

but I had the sensation to
get out of there right away.

Rob?

Rob, I'm home.

Rob?

Oh!

- Hey.
- You scared the daylights out of me.

I was on the ladder, painting, and
Vicki came home from work, and uh...

I think she was impressed by the
amount of painting I had gotten done.

I was looking at the work
that he had done and...

Something sort of caught my eye.

I saw someone standing there.

I realized that this guy's
got a red T-shirt on,

and I thought, well, it
could be a trespasser.

He had his back to me, and
he was slowly walking away.

And then I realized...

I couldn't see his legs.

And then suddenly, he just
disappeared into the tree.

My heart just started beating really
hard, because I'm thinking...

Oh, my gosh.

This person just disappeared...

Right in front of my eyes.

Vicki?

What's wrong?

I saw someone.

My first thought was, it's one
of these serial killer groupies.

Unfortunately, it's a hazard
of living in a house where...

You know, a serial killer lived.

We went over to the spot
right where he disappeared,

and, you know, I was looking
over Rob's shoulders.

There's nothing there, absolutely nothing.

Whoever it was, honey, he's gone.

This is all very unfamiliar territory.

I am the biggest skeptic, you know?

I am a scientist.
You have to prove things to me.

But I guarantee you, I saw what I saw.

I'd been living there for about a week.

It was probably about 8:45, 9:00 at night.

And I was washing a couple dishes.

Hey, nobody ever asked you...

All of a sudden, I heard
a knock on the door.

Just a minute.

I grabbed a towel. I still had my
hands wet, and I dried off my hands.

And meanwhile, the door is still knocking.

Be right there.

Just a minute.

Take it easy.

I opened the door, opened it wide.

There was no one there.

Hello?

I looked out, did not see anyone
at the bottom of the staircase.

I looked over the balcony,
didn't see anyone there.

Didn't know who would
have knocked on the door.

I kind of paused to gather myself.

I actually didn't feel too comfortable.

And I just felt like there
was something watching me.

But I couldn't see anything.

Then all of a sudden,
something caught my eye.

It was like a light wisp of something.

So I looked back into the bedroom.

I saw nothing.

Did you see something too, boy?

After what Vicki had seen.

I became concerned for everyone's safety.

So we installed a closed-circuit
television system.

We put cameras on the barn facing
the house, one on the back side,

one at the front door, and
one at the back door.

The cameras are on all the time.

And we can watch them from
the kitchen on a monitor.

Here you go, Freddy.

Let's go.

It was about three weeks after
I had moved into the house,

and what I had been doing
at night, on clear nights,

I would take my dog, Fred, with me
and walk up and down the driveway.

I hear this noise coming from the woods.

Fred actually stopped, and
his ears are perked up.

I look down at him, and he's
making quiet growling noises.

Fred, come on, buddy.

Let's, uh... let's go back.

And then my dog took off running.

So I looked around to see
what he was looking at.

I saw this...
this man, this man in a red shirt.

Fred!

He's walking into the trees, and
he walked in front of two of them,

and then he just faded
away and disappeared.

Fred!

I was fearful to go in the
woods where this man was.

I thought, is he a bad person or...

I didn't know what to think.

Fred?

Come on, boy. Got to go home.

Fred?

I saw the guy in the red
shirt for the second time.

I focused right on this man.

He... he was kind of standing
right about there, right?

And then he turned, and
he walked into the woods,

kind of, like, striding, like this,
you know, like with a purpose.

- Red T-shirt and...
- Yes.

Everything that Joe described was
exactly the person that I saw.

Right up into these woods,
right about here.

This is where he... this is where he...

Disappeared.

We realized that we had
actually seen the same thing.

There was no evidence that
anyone had been there.

And I'm thinking...

Okay, you know...

What's going on?

Hello?

I woke up with kind of a startling
feel, and I heard this knocking.

Rob, is that you?

Who's there?

I was calling out, what do you want?

And I wasn't hearing any
sort of response back.

Who is that?

But it just kept going on and on and on.

Knock, knock, knock, knock,
knock, knock, knock.

Who's doing that?

You can feel the vibration,
and you can actually

feel the wooden panels
vibrating inside the door.

Who's there?

Who is that?

There was no one there.

But the door knocker was still horizontal.

And then it fell and knocked one last time.

And that just scared the hell out of me.

Who's there?

I looked around.

All the lights were off on the house.

At Rob and Vicki's house,
there was no one awake.

I didn't hear any footsteps
of anyone running away,

which I would have hear because
it was silent that night.

I didn't know what to think.

I couldn't see what was
out beyond the lights,

and I just felt like there
was something watching me.

I shut the door.

I locked the dead bolt.

Hey. Hey, Fred.

It's okay. You're okay.

And then the strangest thing happened.

My dog, Fred, he starts growling at me.

And I heard what sounded
like the doorknob turning.

As the doorknob started
to turn, you'd hear...

And you'd hear the spring compressing,
which just made this horrific errr sound.

And then it...

It stopped turning.

Bang.

The door flew open and
slammed into the wall,

and wood chips went flying
all over the apartment.

Who's there?

I saw this man.

He had a complete look
of terror on his face.

You could just tell he was
running for his life.

He was breathing heavy.

I mean, he was trying to
get away from somebody.

I've never seen anything
like it in my life.

I honestly think that I saw one
of Herb Baumeister's victims

running for their lives.

I think I see the victims
because they're...

They're trying to get our attention
to help them find closure.

They're seeking our assistance.

Let's look at this stuff here.
I found all this...

The first person I told was actually Vicki.

Oh, wow.

We started researching
more about the victims...

About everything that was
found on the property.

And we started becoming a lot more
interested in the investigation.

We had called a local news station
to get some of the footage

of the news stories that I didn't
remember even seeing back in 1996.

..Bodies had been in the
woods for 16 months.

The bones discovered in June of 1996.

Contain the DNA identities of 11 victims...

Only 8 are identified.

Investigators say all
the victims were young,

white, and had ties in the gay community.

An informant told Indianapolis
police that Herb Baumeister...

They started showing
photographs of the victims.

Missing person they were looking for...

And then one particular
photograph popped up.

Oh, my God.

That was the guy. Pause it.

Give me that.

What guy?

That guy.

And then I realized...

That's the young person that
runs through my apartment.

That is the person.
Without a doubt, that is the person.

- Really?
- Yes.

Vicki, that is the guy
I saw in my apartment.

But we have not reached the end of it.

There still might be some
information out there...

Um that might take this
investigation a little bit further.

The police found 5,500 bone
fragments on the property.

We all know that there's more out there.

Fred! Come on, buddy!

Let's go!

Living in a place like that, you're
out in the woods, walking around,

and you're near the areas where
they found a lot of bones.

You can't help but think about
Herb Baumeister and the victims.

I'm not really sure what
made me look to the left,

but I just happened to glance that
direction, and something caught my eye.

It was just laying on the ground
like I was meant to find it.

At that point, I think it
really did start to make sense.

The new Italian Restaurant...
I think we should take the boys.

- Oh, okay.
- You know?

Sure.

It was a Sunday night.
Vicki and I had just come home from dinner.

- You think they'd like Italian, honey?
- Oh, pbbt. I think the boys like to eat.

They'll eat anything...

I found something. I found something.

Joe met us in the driveway, and
he said, "I found something".

Where did you find that?

You could tell it was a human bone.

That's a femur.

- You sure?
- It's definitely human.

I was surprised at how good a
condition the bone was in, and...

And then when Joe told me that he
found it just laying on the ground...

I was amazed.

Just lying there, Rob, like
I was meant to find it.

It was found sort of in the area where
we saw the guy in the red shirt.

And maybe this was what
he was leading us to.

I'll report it to the police
first thing in the morning.

I felt the need to get the
person that was actually there.

So I contacted the lead
Detective on the case.

And he agreed to come out and show us
where things had actually taken place.

The Baumeister investigation was one
of the largest cases we've ever had.

I remember this place.

It was a big part of my life at that time.

I found the place to be
disturbing not only in '96,

but it brought those disturbing
feelings back to me.

Yeah.

In our investigations, we found that...

He told me how Herb Baumeister had selected
his victims from gay bars downtown...

That he would offer to bring them up for
a swim in the indoor swimming pool.

As I was looking around, it
was like I was back in '96.

Mr. Baumeister had mannequins
around the pool in various poses.

It just seemed weird.
It seemed like a setup...

To lure his victims there.

We surmised that Mister Baumeister
had gained control over his victims

by the use of either
alcohol and/or drugs...

Brought them into the pool, asked them
to participate in auto erotic asphyxia.

And then killed these
individuals by strangulation.

His victims probably thought it was cool.

It's kind of like a spa.

In fact, it was a killing ground.
It was a trap.

At the end, when everything
was coming to light.

Mr. Baumeister killed himself...

Uh, with a gunshot wound to the head.

- Oh, my goodness.
- All right.

Incoming!

A friend of mine, Jeremy, came
over, and he's been wanting to see

the house and get a tour of the
house for quite some time.

- Oh, sure.
- Oh, yeah!

This was the first time I had been
to visit Joe at his apartment.

It was about 6:00. It was dark outside.

We're just having fun, you know,
just playing around with the kids.

- Blah!
- Oh! Oh, man! Nice.

That is disgusting.

We were actually picking
up the large beetles,

that were dead in the bottom of the pool.

Okay, here we go. They're down here.

- I'll get 'em for you.
- That's disgusting.

Yes! There you go.

I got one right here.

All of a sudden, I felt
this sensation on my neck.

I first thought...
I thought it was one of the boys.

But I saw them in the
opposite end of the pool.

And I realized that it was not them.

I just felt these... these fingers.

And I felt like I was being choked.

I turn and look at him...

And he puts his hands up to his neck.

Pure panic just comes over his face.

It was not fake.
Joe and I joke around all the time.

He was not joking whatsoever.

Joe, are you okay?

Boys, Jeremy, out. Let's go.
Out. Everybody out. Come on.

- Why?
- We're getting... let's go.

We can't be in there any
more, come on, let's go.

Out. Get out! Go on, guys!

True fear. True panic.

He wanted to leave.

There's no question of what I felt.

I mean, I was scared to death.

Joe, you okay in there?

What's going on, man? Are you okay?

I couldn't help but think of
Herb Baumeister and his victims.

And I had kind of a picture
of what the victims...

Were going through their
last final moments in life.

And that was just rather frightening.

Are certain the same man
killed all nine victims.

All were discovered in or near...

I was in my apartment over by my
front door where my computer is.

All of a sudden, I heard a scraping
sound, a metallic scraping.

And then I noticed something
strange on the wall.

And there was actually these knife marks...

Multiple knife marks
that go across the wall.

And now I'm thinking, you know,
that someone could have been

murdered or stabbed in my
kitchen right next to the sink.

It's actually quite horrifying because
the stuff that's happened in the past...

Potentially, some of it actually
happened in my living quarters.

And there potentially is
still someone in here.

We've all seen all these
ghost hunter shows.

And how they go around investigating
with voice recorders and so forth.

So I had my telephone.
It has a great voice recorder on it.

I turned that on, and I turned off the A.C.

I unplugged the refrigerator, the TV.

Everything that could potentially
make a noise was off.

Is anyone here with me right now?

I felt extremely silly doing this, but I
really wanted to see if anything was there.

And when I was standing there in the
kitchen, I asked this question.

Is there anyone here?

There was absolutely no response.

At that point, my dog started
growling in the background.

That was a big sign to me.

Is anyone here with us tonight?

Who keeps walking in the kitchen?

All of a sudden, I heard a sound.

So I listened to it again...

And again...

And again.

And then I hear this voice,
which is so clear...

"The married one."

"The married one."

Without a doubt, this voice was not mine.

I've never heard that voice before. So...

It was no question that something was
trying to let me know that they were there.

The married one.

..Victims have been found.

All the victims were young,
single men with ties...

Single men who were vulnerable
members of society.

The man responsible is a well respected
husband, father, and businessman.

..Suspected married businessman.

- Suspected married...
- Married.

- Married.
- Herbert Baumeister.

I was convinced that Herb was back.

The crime tape came down today.

But investigators wonder
what other secrets,

Herbert Baumeister took
with him to the grave.

Everyone that's owned the
property since has really

tried to distance themselves
from this whole history.

When in fact you'll never get away from it.

It's always going to be that place.

If Herb Baumeister's spirit
came after my boy's...

I would take action right away.
And I would leave.

I'm not going to stay somewhere
and put the family at risk.

I don't think we'll ever get
rid of Herb Baumeister.

He's far too strong of a presence.

But um, if we can keep him
out of the apartment,

and at the house from Rob
and Vicki and the two boys.

I'd feel very good about that.

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