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walking on red-hot coals.
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Voodoo priests casting a spell.
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-And ancient ceremonies
used to ward off...
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-the Devil himself.
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Can ancient rituals really
unleash incredible powers?
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Physical powers?
Psychic powers?
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There are many who believe
in the power of prayer.
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So what about spells
used to conjure the dead?
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Could they really work?
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And if they do...
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what does that say about
the physical laws
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of the world we live in?
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Well...
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that is what we'll try
and find out.
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SHATNER:
San Pedro Manrique, Spain.
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June 23, 2018.
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Here, as they have
for centuries,
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villagers gather
for an evening festival
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to celebrate
the summer solstice.
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They engage in singing, dancing,
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wearing elaborate costumes.
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But for a select group
of villagers,
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the festivities
aren't so... conventional.
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Because their evening also
includes something
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out of the ordinary:
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a dangerous walk...
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-over fire.
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Now, I've seen many
fire walking rituals
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in many different contexts
in a variety of countries.
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They have this amphitheater
around the, the place where
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the actual fire is,
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and these men
walk on the embers.
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It's five or six steps
from one side to the other.
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And they do it barefoot
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and usually carrying someone
on their shoulders.
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People often wonder,
is the fire walk really hot?
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And the answer is yes.
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Once the wood is first laid out,
the overall temperature
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is between a thousand
and 1,200 degrees.
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That's really hot.
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More than enough
to burn flesh, certainly.
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MICHAEL DENNIN: If you look at
the temperatures involved,
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you're typically
talking temperatures
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over a thousand degrees
Fahrenheit, and skin burns
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at a hundred,
160 degrees Fahrenheit.
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XIMENEZ:
Walking on fire
is very, very dangerous.
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I mean, you're barefoot.
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Just one wrong move
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and you can be severely burned.
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SHATNER:
Walking on fire.
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And at temperatures hot enough
to turn metal into liquid.
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No one in their right mind
would do this
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and expect to emerge
unharmed, right?
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And yet, the people
of San Pedro Manrique
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manage to do just that,
and on a yearly basis.
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But how?
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Walking across hot embers
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is one of my favorite
physics problems.
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The trick is making sure
the embers are hot enough
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of water vapor between your skin
a very and the hot coals. layer
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Some of these same firewalkers,
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one day,
they walk across unscathed;
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another time they try it,
they do burn their feet.
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My experience tells me the
difference is in their mindset.
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So at my fire walks, once we've
taken the group out to the fire,
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and we're getting ready to walk,
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first, I like to remind them
again about their intention.
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And this helps motivate them
and get them across.
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And then,
we raise people's energy
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before a fire walk.
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Firewalkers around the world,
regardless of tradition,
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religion, they raise
the group's energy
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before they walk.
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So, this can be done with
meditation, chanting,
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singing, dancing...
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Whatever the case,
you want to get your group
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into an excited, pumped-up state
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before the fire walk.
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There is absolutely
something about
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being in an excited,
uplifted state
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that helps you
get across safely.
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So what actually happens
there psychologically
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is there is this
emotional buildup.
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There is this highly intense
arousal that's happening,
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and so you have cortisol and
other sort of endocrine hormones
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flooding the system,
which will help to block
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some of the pain receptors.
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SHATNER:
Water vapor?
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Mind control?
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But can fire walking
without pain or injury
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really be just a simple matter
of will power?
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Or does it require
something even more?
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We know we have the capability
to redirect pain
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or even to numb pain
just by putting ourselves
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in the right mindset.
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But many of these firewalkers
don't even have blisters
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or burns on their feet.
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So, when you look at physics,
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that's impossible.
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If you touch something
that's hot,
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you're gonna get burned.
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So the question is,
are we dealing with
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the magical force that
we have yet to fully understand?
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HOBSON:
So in one study with
the San Pedro
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Spanish fire walking ritual,
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a team of anthropologists
were curious what happens to
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a person's heart rate
for the individual
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who's actually walking,
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and for any individual
who is close to them?
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Like a relative
or a family member.
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HOBSON:
The surprising part is that
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you will still have
a state of physiology
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that's similar
to the individual, as if...
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youare walking over the coals,
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when in fact, of course,
you're not.
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AXTELL:
It is so much more than just
an individual ritual.
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It is a community experience.
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Yes, it is technically possible
to cross a coal bed unharmed
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all by yourself.
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But it is much easier
to experience a fire walk
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surrounded by people
who are there to support you:
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your family, your community.
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Crossing barefoot over
thousand-degree coals
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doesn't make
any practical sense.
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And even though
I've personally crossed
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hundreds and hundreds
of coal beds,
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I still don't
perfectly understand
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how and why it works
like it does.
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So what about you?
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Are you willing
to take your chances,
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slip off your shoes
and walk barefoot over fire?
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Well, if you are,
then perhaps you're also ready
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to confront the unknown,
and see what happens
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when you come face-to-face
with the power of voodoo.
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JULIA BUCKLEY:
I was really pretty disabled
by the pain,
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May 2012.
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32-year-old author Julia Buckley
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is writing in her office
when she experiences a pain
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unlike any
she has ever felt before.
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I was just at my desk one day
at work, typing away,
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um, reached out
for a cup of coffee,
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and suddenly, it was as if
my right arm was on fire,
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as if someone had laid out
fireworks all the way
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from my fingers up to my armpit,
and across to my neck.
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I was really pretty disabled
by the pain,
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'cause it was getting worse
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day by day, week by week.
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I couldn't do anything
with this right arm at all.
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I saw three general doctors,
I saw eight specialists;
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I was doing everything
that I was told to do.
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So after two years, I was...
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completely at my wit's end.
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So I was pretty desperate,
and in quite a dark place.
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SHATNER:
With her life virtually
in shambles,
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Julia was willing to try
anything.
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Turning away from
conventional medicine,
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she began
to investigate alternatives,
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and this led her down a,
shall we say, unusual path.
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Voodoo healing.
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I was reading a book
about voodoo.
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And reading it, I hadn't seen
anything like it
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in any of the other research
that I'd done.
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I just got this impression
that the voodoo priests
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were probably the people who had
the most, kind of, grasp of the,
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the mind-body relationship.
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And I just thought if anyone's
gonna be able to help me,
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it's gonna be someone in Haiti.
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SHATNER:
Still fighting
debilitating pain,
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Julia Buckley flew to Haiti,
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and once there, arranged to meet
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with Richard Morse,
a voodoo practitioner.
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BUCKLEY:
I had actually read
interviews and knew
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that he was a voodoo priest
as well as a hotel owner,
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and so I'd already thought,
"Oh, I need to try and ask him
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whether he can, he can
do anything for me."
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So, I checked
into the hotel, met him
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and then we started talking
about voodoo
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and its capacity for healing.
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And so, I told him
exactly why I was there,
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and I just said,
"Can you help me?"
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I think he said, "Are you,
are you sure you want this?"
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And I was like, "Absolutely."
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MORSE: No one taught me
how to do this.
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I didn't go to school
to do this,
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but I have a certain capacity
for something of this sort.
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My mom was a voodoo priestess,
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and my father's family
goes back to the Puritans.
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I like to call my thing
Puritan-voodoo,
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because I'm a mix.
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SHATNER:
After learning
about her symptoms,
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Morse led her
into a dark room,
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one meant to summon spirits
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and extract
whatever was harming her.
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BUCKLEY:
There were candles and bottles
all around the room.
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There were strips of cloth,
different colored cloths
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that now I know represent
the different Loa, the spirits,
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all around the room.
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There were these
terra-cotta pots
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that he said were filled
with the souls of the dead.
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And there were
these little bottles of
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what I found out afterwards
were holy water
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brought from shrines
all over the rest of the world.
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He went around me
a couple of times.
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Then he stopped at the back
of my neck and started feeling
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from the bottom of my skull
down to my neck.
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Kind of pressing on it,
almost like
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what a chiropractor might do
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before they really start
going for it.
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I was scared, because that's
where all my problems were,
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and I didn't want him
to hurt me, and I didn't want
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my neck to be cracked
or anything like that.
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I was terrified.
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He told me that he had found
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a demon in a shape
of a black cat on my neck.
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So when he had been dragging
his fingers down my neck,
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he was literally picking up
and detaching this black cat.
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He said he didn't know
how I'd got it,
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when I got it or how long
it had been there,
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but he said it was nasty
and that he'd got rid of it.
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It was only when
I got to the airport,
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decided I needed
a cup of coffee,
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and jumped up the stairs
to the coffee bar
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carrying my little
carry-on suitcase.
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I was standing with the coffee
and I kind of looked down
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and thought, "Hang on,
I can't normally do that."
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And I checked in with my body,
and I realized, actually,
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nowhere is hurting right now.
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This is really strange.
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It was the first time
in nearly three years
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that I hadn't been in pain.
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SHATNER:
As far as Julia Buckley
was concerned,
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voodoo had worked, after
everything else had failed.
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But how?
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TOK THOMPSON:
Voodoo is a fabulously
interesting tradition.
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We see it in the Caribbean,
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primarily perhaps in Haiti,
although certainly
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in other places
around the Caribbean as well.
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It's a part of a much larger
assemblage of religions
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with a shared
sort of worldview.
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This traces back to West Africa,
and to several groups
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and several different
religions there.
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The West African religious
tradition was brought over
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via the slave trade
to the Caribbean,
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to the Southern United States,
where it flourished
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and took on different forms,
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and blended somewhat easily
with the Catholic faith.
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You can call it God
or you can call it, um,
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how you, how you want...
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DAVID WHITEHEAD:
So it could be
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that when it comes
to these rituals,
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that there's something
about the nature of the ritual
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that actually activates
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something within
the participant.
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But the ritual needs
to be believed.
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It needs to be true
to the participant
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in order for it to work.
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So the pageantry and the
theatricality that's associated
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with these rituals,
that's where their power lies.
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SHATNER:
Perhaps one of the reasons
voodoo's followers
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believe in its incredible power
is because they know
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it not only can be used to heal,
but also to harm.
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We hear this phrase,
"voodoo death," you know,
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that people may have cast
a spell or done
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some kind of ritual that causes
the death of another person.
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And if we're scientific,
"Well, that's ridiculous.
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That has no
causal relationship here."
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But if we dig a little deeper,
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there have been cases of voodoo
deaths where someone has said
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something or done something
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that literally affects
another person.
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HOBSON:
Most scientists,
doctors or researchers
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would just call it an anomaly.
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A physical
or psychological anomaly
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that we can't quite explain
with the data
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or the information
that are presented before us.
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BUCKLEY:
I think there's a lot of value
in things being unexplained.
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Something like voodoo,
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you're never gonna be able to
have the proof of what happened.
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I don't know what happened
in that room and I was there.
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SHATNER:
Ancient rituals that can
not only cure disease,
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but cause it?
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It seems hard to fathom.
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But then, why did Julia
Buckley's pain disappear?
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Was it all in her head?
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Or can the answer be found
by examining another ritual,
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one that is a ritual form
of brutality?
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WHITEHEAD:
There's something about watching
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SHATNER:
What is it about the ritual
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of watching violent, sometimes
bloody sports combat
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that fascinates us?
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Is it merely because it fulfills
a human desire
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to witness
organized competition?
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Or, does it satisfy
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a much darker,
more primal need in us
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than we like to admit?
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HOBSON: There's much less
killing now in modern humans
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than there were in the past,
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but there still is
that little bit left within us,
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that when you go to a sporting
event and all of the rituals
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and all that mob mentality
is pushing
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an individual
to act out violently,
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well, it turns on
that little spark of violence
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that still exists within us.
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L.A. JENNINGS:
You may not realize it,
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but an MMA fight
is very ritualistic.
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The participation in the event
and the spectacle of it
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is part of a long history
of rituals.
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FRANK TRIGG:
When people get to the arena
for a fight,
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there is a specific procedure
that happens every single time.
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This procedure is set
specifically to get
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not only the fighters ready,
but to get the fans amped up
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so they can be the most hyped
that they can possibly be
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for this particular fight
when that fight starts.
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The song comes on, that starts
at about a level three.
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"Oh, fight's about to happen."
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Then both guys walk in, the
announcements are being made.
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ANNOUNCER:
Ladies and gentlemen,
let's have a nice round...
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TRIGG:
Now you're coming up
to a nine, a ten.
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"Oh, it's about to happen."
The ring card girl comes in.
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The first round is gonna get
started for this fight.
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The referee asks
if both fighters are ready.
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I want you guys
to have a clean fight.
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Follow my orders at all times.
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TRIGG:
Now you are amped up.
This is about to happen.
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The fight is getting ready
to go.
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You're so invested in this guy
that when he's fighting,
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you feel like it's actually
happening to you.
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This is an assault
on you and your person
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when this is happening,
so this is why the crowd
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gets so into it,
because they follow the hype.
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And the ritual portion of that
happens every single time.
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SHATNER:
Las Vegas, Nevada.
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October 6, 2018.
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Mixed martial arts fighters
Khabib Nurmagomedov
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and Conor McGregor
face off in what is touted
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as the bout of the year.
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20,000 fans watch
as Khabib locks Conor
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in a brutal chokehold
and emerges victorious,
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retaining the title
of lightweight champ.
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But before the closing ceremony,
Khabib gets enraged
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by the endless barrage
of trash talk
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from his opponent's entourage.
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That's when
the real fight begins.
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WHITEHEAD: Khabib Nurmagomedov
jumps up on the cage,
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jumps into the crowd
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and starts fighting
with Conor McGregor's corner.
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TRIGG:
Most fights have a closure.
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You have a winner,
you have a closing ceremony.
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None of that happened.
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It all got stopped
because the fight broke out.
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There's no closure.
The fight's not over, like,
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now they get to go out
in the streets,
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and everyone's been drinking all
night, and so you add alcohol,
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you add testosterone,
you add a blood sport...
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So people started fighting
out in the streets.
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And in that kind of situation,
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those kind of things
are gonna happen.
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WHITEHEAD:
If you go to an ice-skating
competition or a tennis match,
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you rarely hear about people
breaking out
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into fistfights in the crowd.
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So when we look
at what happened in Las Vegas,
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could it be that there's
something about the act
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of watching violent blood sports
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that brings us into some kind
of ritual in a way?
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TRIGG:
Everybody wants to see
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the most violent thing
that can happen to somebody.
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Everybody cheers
for the knockout.
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They don't even realize that
they're there for the violence.
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The don't understand
why they're actually there
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to watch this fight
until the knockout happens.
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We love watching violence when
it's happening to somebody else.
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And we've been doing it since
the gladiator times.
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JENNINGS:
Ancient Romans also loved
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fighting sports,
and gladiator events
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were unique in that
it wasn't trained,
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skilled athletes fighting
against each other,
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but it was often people who had
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committed a crime that made them
eligible for the death penalty.
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And the death penalty
in this case
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was fighting against a gladiator
in the Colosseum.
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The Colosseum could fit up to
50,000 people, and they went
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for the pleasure,
the cathartic experience
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of watching humans being killed.
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WHITEHEAD:
We think of this life-or-death
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type of sport as being something
that's only in the ancient past,
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but there is still a sport
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where life and death
is involved,
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and this would be the sport
of bullfighting.
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XIMENEZ:
Bullfighting in Spain
is not only a tradition
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or a show,
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it's, uh, actually
part of the culture,
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and it's the last part in which
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a very, very strict, uh,
dance happens around the bull,
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and this man, this matador,
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actually is risking his life
in front of you.
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THOMPSON:
The danger and the bloodiness
is a part of it.
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If the matador wins,
the bull bleeds to death
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in front of the spectators.
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Now, of course if the bull wins,
uh, the-the matador gets gored.
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XIMENEZ:
In 2016, everybody was reminded
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about how dangerous
bullfighting is
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when Víctor Barrio
got gored to death by a bull
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in the middle
of a bullfighting season.
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This was just another
bullfighting festival.
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Uh, one of the hundreds
that are in Spain in the summer.
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And Víctor Barrio
was a experienced matador,
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and he was gored to death
right there.
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It was a shocking event
for the nation.
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It was a-a reminder of
how dangerous this practice is.
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The possibility
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of a man dying before your eyes,
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it adds a layer of thrill to it.
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It's undeniable
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that it's just
part of the attraction.
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Think of it as rodeos.
Think of it as
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NASCAR races.
They have a layer of danger,
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of live danger.
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WHITEHEAD:
It's not just
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witnessing winning and losing
and some friendly competition.
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This takes it to the next level.
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And the question is,
what is it about human nature
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that would have thousands
of people wanting to gather
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in some Colosseum
or some modern stadium
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to watch this ritualistic form
of combat,
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and why they would actually want
to be involved
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in witnessing a ritualized form
of death?
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TRIGG:
It's really interesting
to watch the fans.
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People actually get
to a space where
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they lose social graces.
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They kind of lose themselves
in the event,
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which is why going to
a live event is so important
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for somebody that loves MMA.
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You'll see normal guys,
and it could be
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even someone
that you know personally.
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"Oh, he's a great guy.
He's a Christian.
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He's a super family man, doesn't
swear, hardly ever drinks,"
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but he gets to the fight
and he is cursing and swearing
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and throwing stuff down
at everybody.
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You're like,
"What? What happened?
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Oh, he's... That's his guy.
That's his fighter."
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SHATNER:
When we watch two men
fight each other
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for sport, or watch a matador
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stare down a raging bull,
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is there a "spark of violence"
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that gets unleashed
within all of us?
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A streak of barbarism that
becomes somehow satisfied
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by what is, in effect,
a ritual form of brutality?
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Perhaps the answer
can be found by examining
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another ancient ritual,
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one designed to cure,
not just a diseased body...
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-...but a diseased soul
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-by casting out...
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...the Devil himself.
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Gary, Indiana.THOMPSON:
In 2018,R:
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April 2012.
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Father Michael Maginot,
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the pastor of Saint Stephen,
Martyr Catholic Church,
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meets with Latoya Ammons
in her home.
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But this is not a common
pastoral house call
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because Father Mike, as he
is known by his parishioners,
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is also an exorcist,
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and he has been asked
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to rid this home of a demon.
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Latoya moved into
this particular house
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in Gary in November of 2011.
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She was the mother
of three children.
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And once the family moved in,
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they were noticing
all kinds of phenomena
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happening in the house.
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Flies were swarming
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in the middle of winter.
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They would hear noises
through the house.
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-Footsteps coming up the stairs
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from the basement.
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They would see shadow figures
pacing back and forth
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in the living room
and turn on the light
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and see muddy footprints
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left on the floor.
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Her children, uh,
were also exhibiting
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some really odd behavior.
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One of the boys was seen
talking to an imaginary friend
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that resided somewhere
within the house.
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And reports also suggest that
the daughter was seen levitating
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several feet
above her bed at night.
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MAGINOT:
And so, Latoya was convinced
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something beyond explanation
was happening to her family,
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but no one would
really believe her.
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During that time, the children,
they were getting sick.
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And then
Child Protective Services
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were getting reports that they
were missing a lot of school,
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00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:57,180
so they actually were
investigating, um, Latoya.
492
00:26:57,224 --> 00:27:01,750
She was saying that
it was demonic possession,
493
00:27:01,794 --> 00:27:05,188
and so they were giving her
psychiatric examinations,
494
00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:10,324
but they couldn't find any
psychological illness with her.
495
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,761
SHATNER:
Not only did the authorities
fail to find
496
00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:16,112
any trace of mental illness
in Latoya's behavior,
497
00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:20,116
or any inconsistencies
in her story,
498
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,467
they also witnessed an event
involving her son
499
00:27:23,511 --> 00:27:25,687
that made them realize
that something
500
00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:27,820
really was happening
to this family,
501
00:27:27,863 --> 00:27:30,823
something unexplained.
502
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,783
During the family's
psychiatric evaluations,
503
00:27:34,827 --> 00:27:39,353
the youngest child began rolling
eyes in the back of his head,
504
00:27:39,396 --> 00:27:42,182
growling.
505
00:27:42,225 --> 00:27:46,882
And then the case worker,
as well as several members
506
00:27:46,926 --> 00:27:51,278
of hospital staff, witnessed the
boy walk backwards up a wall.
507
00:27:54,368 --> 00:27:58,024
MAGINOT:
When they witnessed the boy
walk up the wall backwards,
508
00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:59,373
yeah, they were believers.
509
00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:02,419
They knew there was
no explanation for that.
510
00:28:02,463 --> 00:28:06,467
And so, I got called
to investigate this case
511
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:08,817
by the hospital chaplain,
512
00:28:08,861 --> 00:28:11,298
and I went to visit Latoya.
513
00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:13,300
It was a four-hour interview,
514
00:28:13,343 --> 00:28:16,303
and it was in the midst of that
515
00:28:16,346 --> 00:28:18,697
that I placed the crucifix
516
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:23,571
on her forehead
and she began to convulse.
517
00:28:23,614 --> 00:28:25,921
Then I took it off
and she stopped convulsing.
518
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:30,230
And that's one of
the main things that fits
519
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,754
the signs of demonic possession.
520
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:36,323
After considering the evidence,
521
00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:39,500
I was convinced that
the only way to get rid of it
522
00:28:39,543 --> 00:28:42,546
was a church-sanctioned
exorcism.
523
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:46,550
And so I reported that, uh,
to the bishop
524
00:28:46,594 --> 00:28:48,204
and he gave permission.
525
00:28:48,248 --> 00:28:53,644
An exorcism is a ritual,
a spiritual battle,
526
00:28:53,688 --> 00:28:58,301
and so you need to somehow
upset the demon.
527
00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:00,913
One of the instruments
that I would use
528
00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:02,566
would be a blessed crucifix
529
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:05,178
to put on the person's forehead.
530
00:29:05,221 --> 00:29:09,225
A second thing
is sprinkling holy water.
531
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:13,055
There are three sections
of the rite
532
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:15,318
where you're addressing
the demon
533
00:29:15,362 --> 00:29:17,625
and a second place
where you're addressing God,
534
00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:20,323
and you could do it in English,
535
00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,195
or else, you could
also do it in Latin.
536
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,111
-In Latoya's case,
537
00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:27,069
when we were addressing
the demon in Latin,
538
00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:29,811
Latoya would be convulsing,
539
00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:33,206
but when we were addressing God,
she would stop convulsing.
540
00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:35,512
I'm the only one there
that knew the Latin,
541
00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:37,776
and-and I found that
kind of amazing.
542
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:43,085
A demonic entity will fight
for the territory
543
00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:45,348
that they have gained,
544
00:29:45,392 --> 00:29:48,482
but then, eventually,
it starts to lessen.
545
00:29:48,525 --> 00:29:51,572
With Latoya,
finally she fell asleep,
546
00:29:51,615 --> 00:29:55,706
and that was kind of
an indication that it left.
547
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:58,405
Once she got cleared, um,
548
00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:02,235
then the children were also fine
after that as well.
549
00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:06,543
SHATNER:
What saved Latoya Ammons
and her children
550
00:30:06,587 --> 00:30:10,112
from their deep physical
and emotional torment?
551
00:30:10,156 --> 00:30:13,681
Was it really the spiritual
power of the ritual
552
00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:16,075
that Father Michael performed?
553
00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:20,035
Or was it the psychological
or psychosomatic effect
554
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:25,736
that simply performing a ritual
had on Latoya and her family?
555
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:27,216
Latoya's case
is really interesting
556
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:29,566
because it's a case that
actually made national news.
557
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:32,787
Herself and her children
were exhibiting symptoms
558
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,137
that could not
be explained rationally
559
00:30:35,181 --> 00:30:37,792
by modern medical science,
but in the end,
560
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,576
after all of their attempts,
561
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:41,535
it was the exorcism itself
562
00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:43,754
that actually produced
the positive effect.
563
00:30:43,798 --> 00:30:46,714
We have evidence
of exorcism rituals
564
00:30:46,757 --> 00:30:50,283
dating back 3,000 years ago
in ancient Babylon.
565
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,808
CHAVEZ:
To those that say that exorcism
566
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,767
shouldn't exist
in modern society,
567
00:30:56,811 --> 00:31:00,815
they really need to appreciate
just how successful
568
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:05,428
exorcism can be as a ritual,
how it's able to help people.
569
00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:08,388
TZADOK:
Exorcisms are not just performed
by one religion
570
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:11,304
or another, they're performed
by all the different religions.
571
00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:13,741
It happens everywhere
because we're dealing with
572
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,657
the commonality of human souls.
573
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,791
We recognize that the nature
of a possession
574
00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:26,014
is an earthbound soul
which is unable to
575
00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:30,236
or afraid to move forward
in its spiritual progression.
576
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,024
And we perform rituals because
the nature of ritual
577
00:31:36,068 --> 00:31:39,375
is being an expression
of inner psychological
578
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:41,725
ideas and beliefs.
579
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:46,643
And therefore, as such,
exorcisms become
580
00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,819
a required practice.
581
00:31:54,086 --> 00:31:57,959
Can ritual really be used
to fight off evil spirits?
582
00:31:58,003 --> 00:32:01,745
You may say that notion sounds
too outlandish to even consider,
583
00:32:01,789 --> 00:32:03,834
until you realize that,
at one time or another,
584
00:32:03,878 --> 00:32:06,359
even you...
585
00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:09,188
have probably used a ritual
to connect with a higher power.
586
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:10,754
It's called prayer.
587
00:32:10,798 --> 00:32:12,800
And there are billions of people
all over the world
588
00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:16,151
who believe that prayer
589
00:32:16,195 --> 00:32:19,372
is the most powerful
ritual of all.
590
00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:26,422
SHATNER:
Israel.TZADOK:
You can have a gathering
of literally
591
00:32:26,466 --> 00:32:28,424
January 2018.
592
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:33,690
Here, in what is known
as the Holy Land,
593
00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:38,043
the average temperature
is almost 90 degrees Fahrenheit,
594
00:32:38,086 --> 00:32:42,830
and water
is a precious commodity.
595
00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:45,224
But this is no average year.
596
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,707
It's been almost five years
597
00:32:50,751 --> 00:32:53,145
since more than
a few drops of rain
598
00:32:53,188 --> 00:32:56,235
fell upon Israel's
thirsty sands,
599
00:32:56,278 --> 00:33:00,500
and the people
are beginning to panic.
600
00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:03,329
TZADOK:
The spring season
in the Middle East
601
00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:07,072
is the time
for the rains to come.
602
00:33:07,115 --> 00:33:10,075
As such, if the rains
are not there,
603
00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:11,641
you don't have your agriculture,
604
00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:15,210
which is a life-and-death type
of experience.
605
00:33:15,254 --> 00:33:16,429
Even in modern times,
606
00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:18,474
with all of our
modern technology,
607
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:20,781
rain makes the crops grow.
608
00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:23,479
No crops, no food;
no food, no life.
609
00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:26,526
So when we have a drought,
610
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:28,615
this creates crisis.
611
00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:33,272
SHATNER:
Israel is one of the wealthiest
612
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,536
and most technologically
advanced countries in the world.
613
00:33:36,579 --> 00:33:40,931
It is also one
of the most religious.
614
00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:45,632
So when facing its worst drought
in close to 100 years,
615
00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:49,114
with the fate of the entire
country hanging in the balance,
616
00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:51,725
what is their solution?
617
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:55,294
-Prayer.
618
00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:57,861
TZADOK:
In our Judaic tradition,
619
00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,908
we have had
a long-standing history
620
00:34:00,951 --> 00:34:02,823
that when there is drought,
621
00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:04,781
the chief rabbi of the country
622
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:08,437
can call the entire nation
to prayer.
623
00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:11,614
And you can have a gathering
in Jerusalem
624
00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:15,357
of literally thousands
or tens of thousands of minds,
625
00:34:15,401 --> 00:34:17,446
souls, that will come together
626
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:22,016
and pour out
their collective energy,
627
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:27,369
calling upon God in heaven
to literally manipulate
628
00:34:27,413 --> 00:34:31,069
the forces of nature
and bring rain.
629
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,293
THOMPSON:
In 2018, Israel was
in a major drought,
630
00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:40,121
and this was really beginning
to cause problems.
631
00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:43,385
At this point,
uh, Chief Rabbi David Lau
632
00:34:43,429 --> 00:34:46,127
organized a massive ritual,
633
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:48,695
put out a call
for believers to ce
634
00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:51,654
to one of the most sacred sites
in Judaism,
635
00:34:51,698 --> 00:34:56,006
-the Wailing Wall.
636
00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:57,704
They went to the Wailing Wall,
637
00:34:57,747 --> 00:35:00,881
and you had thousands of Jews
praying for rain to come.
638
00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:06,016
TZADOK:
When the individual
Torah-observant
639
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:11,544
Jewish man wraps himself
in his tallit prayer shawl
640
00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:15,417
and puts on the boxes
of the tefillin,
641
00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:22,032
he creates for himself
a psychic bubble of energy,
642
00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:26,167
which unites the individual
mind and heart
643
00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:30,954
with the collective power
of the word of God,
644
00:35:30,998 --> 00:35:34,044
literally materialized
before him in the form
645
00:35:34,088 --> 00:35:35,611
of the fringes
of the prayer shawl,
646
00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:39,789
and literally in the form
of the scrolls
647
00:35:39,833 --> 00:35:41,878
that are upon his arm
next to his heart
648
00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:44,272
and on his head,
close to his mind.
649
00:35:46,709 --> 00:35:50,800
SHATNER:
It is one thing for us to
believe the ritual of prayer
650
00:35:50,844 --> 00:35:53,629
has the ability
to affect our world.
651
00:35:53,673 --> 00:35:56,893
But can the act
of praying actually
652
00:35:56,937 --> 00:36:01,202
connect us to a higher power?
653
00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:04,597
A ritual is a very predictable
sequence of, of events.
654
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,525
But the interesting thing is,
if you have two things,
655
00:36:19,568 --> 00:36:20,961
you have a boundary
between them.
656
00:36:21,004 --> 00:36:24,182
And prayer and prayer rituals
might be a way
657
00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,836
of influencing that boundary
between the physical
658
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,057
and the nonphysical in a way
that the nonphysical
659
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,190
then interacts again
with the physical world.
660
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,239
SHATNER:
To those more secular
and cynical-minded,
661
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:42,722
praying is a rather quaint,
if not irrelevant pastime.
662
00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:46,204
There's no reason
it should work, right?
663
00:36:48,554 --> 00:36:50,947
-Except that in the case
664
00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:53,950
of ending
Israel's drought in 2018,
665
00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:58,041
many believe it did.
666
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,285
AMIR HUSSAIN:
You can say that it's just
simply correlation--
667
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:27,680
yes, you prayed and yes,
three days later there was rain,
668
00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:29,290
but the one thing
didn't cause the other.
669
00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:32,206
I mean, that's
the scientific approach.
670
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:33,729
The religious approach
is a little bit different
671
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:36,515
to say, well, maybe we did,
maybe we did influence this,
672
00:37:36,558 --> 00:37:39,822
maybe God listened
to these prayers.
673
00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:49,528
TZADOK:
In Judaism, there are rituals
that augment the power
674
00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,747
of the individual--
675
00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:56,056
the passion, the desire,
the thought, the idea,
676
00:37:56,099 --> 00:38:00,147
creating, if you will,
a psychic field,
677
00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:05,065
which combines to give
great psychic spiritual energy
678
00:38:05,108 --> 00:38:09,548
for the fulfillment of that
which the individuals seek.
679
00:38:09,591 --> 00:38:13,595
But when we come together
as a collective,
680
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:18,339
we find that it does have
the power to influence change.
681
00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:22,474
They prayed for rain.
And the prayers were answered.
682
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:30,003
SHATNER:
Of course, there's always the
chance that it wasn't prayer,
683
00:38:30,046 --> 00:38:33,833
but coincidence that saved
the Israeli people.
684
00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:36,096
The drought would have ended
at some point.
685
00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:40,274
But then, why take chances?
686
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,363
Perhaps the faithful
know something
687
00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:45,366
that nonbelievers don't.
688
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,977
And this could also help
to explain the rituals
689
00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:51,067
associated with the event
that, for all of us,
690
00:38:51,111 --> 00:38:54,462
really is the final frontier...
691
00:38:55,811 --> 00:39:01,208
...death.
692
00:39:01,251 --> 00:39:02,862
SHATNER:
Indonesia.
693
00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:06,126
High in the mountains
of the island of Sulawesi,
694
00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:10,565
the residents of a small Torajan
village gather for a funeral.
695
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:13,786
But are funeral rites a sign
696
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:18,312
that mankind has difficulty in
accepting the finality of death?
697
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:22,795
Or is it because our
subconscious minds
698
00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:27,103
know that death is not really
an end, but a beginning?
699
00:39:27,147 --> 00:39:29,279
THOMPSON:
Every culture in the world
700
00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:32,239
has some sort of death ritual,
and studying those will tell you
701
00:39:32,282 --> 00:39:33,893
a lot about
what those people think
702
00:39:33,936 --> 00:39:37,984
of the afterlife,
about the soul, about society.
703
00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:41,988
So, in the Toraja communities,
when somebody dies,
704
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:45,339
they preserve the corpse
so it doesn't rot, and then
705
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:47,428
they treat it
as if it were alive.
706
00:39:47,472 --> 00:39:51,519
Even the term they use
for a recently deceased person
707
00:39:51,563 --> 00:39:54,566
in this state is,
actually, means sick,
708
00:39:54,609 --> 00:39:56,872
so they don't acknowledge that
the person has really died yet.
709
00:40:06,665 --> 00:40:08,536
They will talk to them,
they will fill them in,
710
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:09,755
in what's happening
in the world...
711
00:40:12,105 --> 00:40:14,281
WHITEHEAD:
They do mock dancing sessions
712
00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:17,023
with them,
they parade them around.
713
00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:19,895
It's as if they're trying
to stay in touch with the dead
714
00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:22,811
or, or somehow
relate to the dead.
715
00:40:22,855 --> 00:40:25,553
THOMPSON:
What is the relationship
716
00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:28,600
between your body and your soul
and what happens at death?
717
00:40:28,643 --> 00:40:30,645
These are
the elemental questions
718
00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:33,518
that studying different funerary
traditions can tell us.
719
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:36,738
So, all these different
traditions seem
720
00:40:36,782 --> 00:40:39,175
very, very focused
721
00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:41,526
on maintaining strong links
with the dead.
722
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:44,137
Some cultures, like,
for example, Indonesia,
723
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:46,487
you may do things with the body
724
00:40:46,531 --> 00:40:49,969
that to us may seem
very strange.
725
00:40:50,012 --> 00:40:52,493
But it's no different than
a funeral, where the person
726
00:40:52,537 --> 00:40:55,627
has been dead for ten days,
and the mortician
727
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:59,544
makes them look like they're
alive and they're just sleeping.
728
00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:02,590
There's this amazing connection
that we have for the deceased.
729
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:06,942
I can never call up my best
friend again who passed away,
730
00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:09,075
but I'm still in connection
with that person.
731
00:41:09,118 --> 00:41:11,381
I still think about that person.
732
00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:13,079
Sometimes I still talk to them.
733
00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:16,561
And I think these rituals
help us to understand
734
00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:19,825
that we're still informed
by these people.
735
00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:22,784
We're still in relationship
with those who have passed.
736
00:41:22,828 --> 00:41:25,700
It's just a different
kind of relationship.
737
00:41:28,094 --> 00:41:32,533
So, do rituals really work?
738
00:41:32,577 --> 00:41:33,969
Well, many of us certainly
believe they do,
739
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,406
even if we don't know how.
740
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:39,845
Whether it's to acquire
superhuman abilities
741
00:41:39,888 --> 00:41:44,502
or to ward off evil,
rituals help to connect us
742
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:47,809
to a world
very different from our own.
743
00:41:47,853 --> 00:41:51,334
It's a world of the spiritual.
744
00:41:51,378 --> 00:41:56,514
It's a world
of the supernatural.
745
00:41:56,557 --> 00:41:58,777
It's a world of The UnXplained.
746
00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:00,996
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