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I presume you've seen the news
about the Hayley Reid case?
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The police think
she may have been our cleaner.
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I told them we all stayed
in the house that night,
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eating with our families.
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I have a daughter Maya,
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who I last saw 17 years ago.
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Three grand.
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I accidentally paid Salthouse's
cheque into my personal account.
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This isn't working, Pete, you and me.
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Your marriage ended when?
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I haven't seen Derran for many years,
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but I should just say that
she's had a number of issues.
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Christmas and New Year
can be quite stressful, can't it?
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Of the three of you that were married,
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all of you were separated within the year.
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That was nothing to do with anything
that happened on that break.
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No, it wasn't a pleasant evening.
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Someone might have bought some coke.
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Chris went completely nuts.
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There was another employee.
She went as Madonna
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and she left around 12:10.
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So she could have actually left
the pub earlier.
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We now have four men,
variously pissed, drugged up,
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possibly mentally unstable,
out somewhere in Middenham
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at exactly the same time as Hayley.
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* All you do is hide away
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* All you do is
All you do is hide away
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* All you do is lie and wait
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* All you do is
All you do is lie and wait
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* I've been upside down
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* I don't wanna be
The right way round
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* Can't find paradise
On the ground. *
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We just got the DNA swab results in
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and we've got a match to the blood
on the church break-in.
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Wow, who?
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Pete Carr.
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Bad man! Stop!
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Oh...! Argh...!
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Pete, please, they're supposed
to be eating breakfast!
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Oh, I'm sorry.
Go on, Will, do as your mum says.
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Pete Carr.
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Mr Carr, DI Sunil Khan.
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Hi, morning.
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Mr Carr, we need to speak to you again.
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Do you? About what?
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Well, we can discuss that when we meet.
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We'd like you to be King's Lynn
police station at 1:30, please.
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Do I need a...
a lawyer or anything?
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I'm afraid I can't advise you
on legal representation.
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But we will be looking to
interview you under caution, so...
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Right, sure.
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Good. See you later. Bye.
Bye.
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Do you need a lawyer for what?
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The new FSA contracts.
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I was just asking Mark
if we need to run them by a lawyer.
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He says they're all fine.
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Come on.
Come and eat your breakfast.
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So DI Khan and I are heading
straight up to Norfolk now,
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following on from that DNA result.
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Although, obviously,
there are some questions
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for them all to answer now,
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following Melissa Hollis's
ever so slightly different account
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of that evening.
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Jake, it might be worth
speaking to Tim Finch's ex,
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see how she remembers the evening.
Guv.
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And James Hollis finally came back
about his car.
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It turns out he was driving
a black four-door BMW
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with a tow bar.
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Do you know if he had a trailer?
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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And all this,
it feeds into a bigger question
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that I think we need to ask now.
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Because,
if what Melissa Hollis said is true,
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it means that not only did
all four men lie to us...
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..all four then appear
to have colluded in that lie.
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And at that point, I start to ask,
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why would they do that?
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Do you think they're all involved, boss?
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I don't know. But I think
it has to be one of our options.
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Or maybe it's that one of them
killed her...
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..and the other three
covered up for him.
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Anyway, let's let that percolate
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and then we'll regroup
once we've spoken to Mr Carr.
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Thank you, everyone.
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Are you driving or me?
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Can we sue the site?
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We can try, but it's registered
to a 27-year-old woman
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that lives in a council flat.
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She literally has nothing to lose.
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Well, we've got to do something, Linda.
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If you type me and Hayley Reid's
name into a search engine,
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those photographs come up
on three other sites already.
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And I've got a guy working
to get them taken down.
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I'm doing everything I can.
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Call me back.
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Amy.
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Morning, James, do you wish
to comment on your connection to...?
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Daily Mirror, Mr Hollis.
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Are there any comment you'd like
to make about the Hayley Reid case?
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Did you stay long last night?
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No.
Left about half an hour after you.
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Knackered.
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Er, long enough for him
to ask me out to dinner, though.
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Don't.
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Er, I didn't...
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They did the same with me.
It's what they do.
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It doesn't mean anything, I promise.
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And I asked for someone to be with me.
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I told her, you know, the problem,
and she just ignored me.
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You explicitly asked her for someone?
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Yes. Yes, definitely.
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Jesus, outrageous! How dare she?
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Listen, I have to shoot but,
if you're happy for me to do it,
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I'll make a formal complaint
on your behalf.
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Well, yeah. OK, yeah.
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Thank you.
No, I just...
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These people.
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I've just come off the phone
from an Inspector Chan in Hong Kong.
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And it turns out
he knew Peter Carr very well.
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Tell me.
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So, in 1985, when Carr was living there...
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We've all been through some shit,
Chris, all done stuff....
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..we shouldn't have.
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So I'm just saying,
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you'll always be my friend, mate,
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no matter what.
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I love you, mate.
Yeah.
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Love you, too.
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So I am going to ask you again, Mr Carr...
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..were you in the house all evening?
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Not all evening, no.
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I was in the pub for a...
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..a fair bit.
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And that's from what time to what time?
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From about...
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..8:30 to just before midnight.
Mm-hm.
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So why didn't you just tell us that?
I don't know, I...
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It was stupid.
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I just panicked, I suppose.
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I was on a bit of a pub crawl.
I was on my own.
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I guess I thought that didn't put me
in a good light.
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In relation to Hayley Reid, I mean.
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So I... I just said
I was in the house with the others.
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You said that you were on a pub crawl.
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Yes.
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Did you pass St Matthew's church
on the way back?
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No.
Are you sure?
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Yes.
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Are you sure you didn't, in fact,
break into St Matthew's church
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and steal some silverware
from a cupboard in the vestry?
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We have a DNA match to you,
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from blood samples taken at the time
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from the window that you smashed
to get in.
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Was that you?
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Yes.
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I was, er...
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My company was having
some cash flow issues and, er...
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..with all the Christmas
and New Year expenditure,
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I found I didn't have enough money
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for my flight back to Hong Kong, so...
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I'd been in there the previous evening...
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..to a service...
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..and seen the silverware and...
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It was an utterly shameful thing
to do and I am so sorry.
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Are you OK?
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Yeah, fine.
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Not having second thoughts?
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Never.
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Never. No.
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I'm just tired.
Good.
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I wish to introduce evidence
of bad character
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under the Criminal Justice Act 2001.
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See, we've been speaking
to the Hong Kong police.
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Do you want to tell us
about the three-month sentence
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that you served in 1995
in Lo Wu Correctional Facility
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for defrauding a disability charity
of $100,000,
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an amount which caused it to close down?
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I was set up.
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That was all.
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The system out there was corrupt.
I was set up.
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Really?
Yes, fucking really!
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You see, I think you give
a very good impression
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of being a decent, if slightly
hapless businessman, Peter.
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But I think you have a much darker side.
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Do you?
Yes, I do.
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I think you have a side that thinks
primarily of what you need.
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Maybe once.
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Not now.
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Well, indeed, because I think,
when you broke into that church,
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that was exactly what you were thinking,
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"How do I get myself
out of this hole?"
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But I would never have hurt anyone.
I'm sure you didn't plan to.
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But then, maybe...
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..maybe Hayley saw you go in
and she confronted you.
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Now, you knew she could
identify you from the Spinney.
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No.
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So you did what you needed to do
to protect your needs.
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Not true.
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Except you've lied to us, Peter...
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..from the moment we spoke to you,
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so why should we suddenly
start believing you now?
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Can I get through, please?
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Excuse me. Out of my way, please.
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Thank you.
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When exactly
where you planning to tell me?
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What do you think?
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He's clearly a fraud.
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And weak.
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And a liar.
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The question is, do I sense violence?
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I don't know.
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I wouldn't want to see him
backed into a corner, though.
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Tell me what's going on,
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or I swear I will go in there
right now and ask them myself.
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OK, right, well, that seems to chime
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pretty much with what Melissa Hollis
told us.
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And, erm... what's my ex said,
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what's Timothy said about the evening?
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I'm afraid I can't really go into
too many details about that.
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It's just, when you rang,
it wasn't a complete shock.
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I'm sorry?
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I think, on some subconscious level...
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..I had always wondered.
Well, wondered what?
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If he could have been involved.
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I mean, I'm sure he's told you
I'm delusional...
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..and a fantasist.
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Mad.
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And maybe I have had periods when
I've not acted entirely rationally.
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I know I've alienated my daughters and...
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..and I'm incredibly sad
about that, but...
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..the way I've been, what I became,
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that was actually entirely because of him.
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Dr Finch?
Yes.
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How do you mean?
I mean...
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..to talk to,
on the face of it, in public...
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..you would think he was
such a lovely man, wouldn't you?
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Kind and gentle...
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..and good.
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"A good man" was how people
always described him in our village.
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But behind closed doors, he's the
most manipulative, calculating man
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I've ever met and
he made my life a complete misery.
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How so?
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For the 13 years that we were married,
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he tried to control
every single aspect of it.
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He stopped me from working.
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He cut me off from my friends.
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He stopped me going out at all by the end.
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Well, he abused me mentally, physically...
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..sometimes even sexually.
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And if I hadn't managed
to escaped when I did...
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..who knows what he might have
ended up doing?
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Four days ago?
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Obviously, just as a witness, so...
255
00:14:34,479 --> 00:14:35,599
So...?
256
00:14:35,683 --> 00:14:38,523
So, what? So that means
you didn't need to mention it to me.
257
00:14:38,683 --> 00:14:40,363
I'm sorry, I should have.
258
00:14:40,663 --> 00:14:42,423
How do you even do that?
259
00:14:42,483 --> 00:14:46,163
We've been out to dinner,
we've had a million conversations,
260
00:14:46,323 --> 00:14:48,683
we've had sex, and I...
261
00:14:48,883 --> 00:14:51,763
..never once had an inkling
that you were lying to me.
262
00:14:51,963 --> 00:14:54,483
I never lied. Oh, please,
by omission, yes, you lied.
263
00:14:54,683 --> 00:14:57,483
Just leave the phone, Jamie....
264
00:14:57,683 --> 00:14:59,883
It's my agent.
She's rung three times already.
265
00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:01,323
Sue...
266
00:15:08,123 --> 00:15:09,883
I'll call you back.
267
00:15:12,883 --> 00:15:15,043
They're suspending recordings for a month.
268
00:15:20,243 --> 00:15:22,403
So, is there anything else
you haven't told me?
269
00:15:26,723 --> 00:15:28,283
Jesus, you're...
270
00:15:28,483 --> 00:15:30,363
..you're meant to say no
really quickly.
271
00:15:30,563 --> 00:15:33,523
You're meant to get really cross and
say, "No, of course there isn't!"
272
00:15:33,723 --> 00:15:36,323
No, of course there isn't.
I need to speak to my solicitor.
273
00:15:36,483 --> 00:15:37,803
Well, don't just walk out now!
274
00:15:41,203 --> 00:15:42,763
Oh, hi, Usha. It's me.
275
00:15:42,963 --> 00:15:46,443
Sunil, I can't really talk
right now. I'm at work.
276
00:15:46,643 --> 00:15:48,803
But I was wondering, could we meet up?
277
00:15:49,923 --> 00:15:51,403
Er, why?
278
00:15:52,443 --> 00:15:54,723
I'd really prefer not to say
over the phone.
279
00:15:54,883 --> 00:15:57,003
I'd prefer to see you in person.
280
00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,843
Right.
281
00:15:59,003 --> 00:16:00,803
I really wouldn't.
282
00:16:02,083 --> 00:16:05,483
Look, I know you have every right
to be angry with me, Sunny.
283
00:16:05,643 --> 00:16:07,323
I know how much I hurt you.
284
00:16:09,003 --> 00:16:11,443
But I've been doing
a lot of soul searching recently.
285
00:16:13,083 --> 00:16:14,523
And I've realised...
286
00:16:15,563 --> 00:16:16,963
..I made a terrible mistake.
287
00:16:17,123 --> 00:16:19,443
I miss you and the girls.
288
00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:21,723
I miss us all living together.
289
00:16:23,803 --> 00:16:25,523
I want to come back.
290
00:16:29,843 --> 00:16:31,563
And has she got any proof of anything?
291
00:16:31,723 --> 00:16:32,923
Oh, I asked her exactly that.
292
00:16:33,083 --> 00:16:34,803
Which didn't go down very well.
293
00:16:35,003 --> 00:16:37,683
She got slightly defensive
and asked me to leave.
294
00:16:37,883 --> 00:16:40,363
But what was your general sense
of her, as a person?
295
00:16:40,523 --> 00:16:42,643
Did she...? Did she feel credible?
296
00:16:43,963 --> 00:16:46,963
It's hard to say. She certainly
felt like a very damaged woman.
297
00:16:47,163 --> 00:16:51,163
If that make her more or less
credible, I don't know, Guv.
298
00:16:52,283 --> 00:16:55,123
OK, let's go for a Section 23
for her medical records,
299
00:16:55,323 --> 00:16:58,603
see if what Finch said about her
mental health was true. Speak later.
300
00:16:58,763 --> 00:16:59,803
Guv.
301
00:17:06,123 --> 00:17:07,283
Are you all right?
302
00:17:09,443 --> 00:17:11,603
Not really, no.
303
00:17:11,763 --> 00:17:13,003
Talk to me.
304
00:17:21,763 --> 00:17:25,243
It was a day centre for adults
with learning difficulties.
305
00:17:25,443 --> 00:17:27,963
I met the team who ran it
at a charity function
306
00:17:28,163 --> 00:17:31,203
and it turns out they needed someone
to restructure their finances,
307
00:17:31,363 --> 00:17:33,283
so I offered my services.
308
00:17:33,443 --> 00:17:35,603
I genuinely wanted to help them.
309
00:17:36,643 --> 00:17:38,243
And then...
310
00:17:38,443 --> 00:17:41,843
..my business started having
some cash flow issues and, er...
311
00:17:43,843 --> 00:17:46,603
I only ever intended
to borrow the money, Maria.
312
00:17:46,763 --> 00:17:48,323
I was always going to pay it back.
313
00:17:49,803 --> 00:17:53,163
Then a tax demand came in earlier
than expected and...
314
00:17:55,483 --> 00:17:57,483
It was all just bad timing.
315
00:17:58,603 --> 00:18:00,843
No-one was more upset than me
316
00:18:01,043 --> 00:18:03,003
when they were evicted, I promise you.
317
00:18:05,203 --> 00:18:06,483
And the church thing...
318
00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,363
No excuses.
319
00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:14,123
Which is what I told the police.
320
00:18:14,323 --> 00:18:17,043
I deserve to be charged.
I deserve to be punished.
321
00:18:17,203 --> 00:18:19,323
It was a terrible thing to do.
322
00:18:19,363 --> 00:18:21,043
But that is it, Maria.
323
00:18:21,203 --> 00:18:23,083
That is everything.
324
00:18:23,243 --> 00:18:24,563
I promise.
325
00:18:26,083 --> 00:18:29,763
I had nothing to do
with that poor girl's death.
326
00:18:31,163 --> 00:18:34,043
And I'm telling you all of this because
327
00:18:34,243 --> 00:18:38,163
I want you to know the very worst
things that I've done...
328
00:18:39,483 --> 00:18:42,363
..and to assure you
that I have changed.
329
00:18:43,723 --> 00:18:46,843
You and the boys have changed me, Maria.
330
00:18:48,203 --> 00:18:49,963
I'm not that man any more.
331
00:18:54,163 --> 00:18:56,523
Thank you for finally
being honest with me, Pete.
332
00:18:57,963 --> 00:19:00,203
I appreciate that. I really do.
333
00:19:00,403 --> 00:19:04,643
And I accept
you never meant to do any harm.
334
00:19:04,843 --> 00:19:07,683
I don't think you ever set out to harm.
335
00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,003
But let's just be clear...
336
00:19:13,683 --> 00:19:16,083
..you only told me
because I made you.
337
00:19:18,243 --> 00:19:22,163
And you are deluded
if you think this ushers in
338
00:19:22,323 --> 00:19:24,283
some new chapter in our lives.
339
00:19:24,483 --> 00:19:26,643
Maz...
And more importantly,
340
00:19:26,683 --> 00:19:30,963
if you think I will allow my children
341
00:19:31,123 --> 00:19:33,243
to be brought up by a man like you,
342
00:19:33,403 --> 00:19:36,963
who steals from the disabled
343
00:19:37,123 --> 00:19:38,603
and from old men...
344
00:19:40,603 --> 00:19:42,363
..and worse.
345
00:19:42,563 --> 00:19:46,403
A man who's been lying to himself
for so many years,
346
00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:49,203
he doesn't even know
what the truth is any more.
347
00:19:50,443 --> 00:19:54,003
I think you could have killed
that poor girl...
348
00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:59,443
..and you could still sit here
opposite me
349
00:19:59,603 --> 00:20:01,923
swearing it wasn't you,
350
00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:04,363
and actually believe it yourself.
351
00:20:04,523 --> 00:20:07,323
Maria, I did not kill her.
352
00:20:08,803 --> 00:20:10,323
It's finished, Pete.
353
00:20:14,003 --> 00:20:15,363
Maria...
354
00:20:15,523 --> 00:20:17,323
Get your fucking hand off me!
355
00:20:17,523 --> 00:20:18,963
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to hurt you.
356
00:20:19,003 --> 00:20:20,243
I'm sorry.
357
00:20:42,843 --> 00:20:44,283
I'm not saying that.
358
00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:46,243
You literally just did.
359
00:20:46,403 --> 00:20:49,003
What I said was you've been...
360
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,643
..forgetting lots of things
recently.
361
00:20:53,803 --> 00:20:55,923
And why not have a test,
362
00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:57,363
put your mind at rest?
363
00:20:57,523 --> 00:20:59,363
My mind is at rest.
364
00:20:59,523 --> 00:21:00,643
OK, mine, then.
365
00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:03,003
Because it's not that relaxing
wondering if...
366
00:21:03,043 --> 00:21:05,283
..if today's the day
you're going to burn the house down.
367
00:21:06,963 --> 00:21:08,483
Sorry, I meant...
368
00:21:10,483 --> 00:21:13,443
I think you need to take
a bit of a look at yourself, Cass.
369
00:21:13,643 --> 00:21:16,123
Oh, really, is that a dad lecture
coming up, is it?
370
00:21:16,323 --> 00:21:18,843
Well, you clearly don't want me
to be with Jenny. Not true.
371
00:21:19,043 --> 00:21:21,883
You clearly think she's trying
to fleece me. Er, a little bit.
372
00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:25,243
And I'm guessing
suggesting that I have dementia
373
00:21:25,443 --> 00:21:27,883
is just another way of trying
to scupper the relationship.
374
00:21:28,043 --> 00:21:30,363
But actually... the problem is you.
375
00:21:30,523 --> 00:21:32,723
Is it? How's that, then?
376
00:21:32,923 --> 00:21:35,843
Well, you don't want me to leave,
my love, because you're lonely.
377
00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:37,843
And I understand that. I really do.
378
00:21:38,003 --> 00:21:40,123
But I probably am going.
379
00:21:41,403 --> 00:21:43,203
And I probably am going to marry her.
380
00:21:43,363 --> 00:21:44,363
Hm...
381
00:21:46,163 --> 00:21:48,043
And you need to accept that.
382
00:21:55,963 --> 00:21:59,163
And of course Robert, the central
male character of your first novel,
383
00:21:59,363 --> 00:22:02,523
was a working-class grammar school boy,
384
00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:04,643
who became a very successful journalist.
385
00:22:04,843 --> 00:22:07,003
This felt like a very personal story.
386
00:22:08,243 --> 00:22:09,843
Well, er...
387
00:22:10,043 --> 00:22:12,483
..the pain that the character
of Annie goes through,
388
00:22:12,683 --> 00:22:15,363
as she discovers her husband
has been serially unfaithful,
389
00:22:15,563 --> 00:22:18,203
was something I did feel I understood.
390
00:22:19,723 --> 00:22:21,883
But what I wanted to try and explore,
391
00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:23,723
through his multiple liaisons,
392
00:22:23,883 --> 00:22:25,763
was what it was in the male psyche
393
00:22:25,963 --> 00:22:30,923
that needed
this constant sexual validation.
394
00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:33,003
I mean, was this, in fact,
395
00:22:33,203 --> 00:22:35,363
just a normal extension
of male sexual identity
396
00:22:35,403 --> 00:22:38,483
or did it suggest something darker,
397
00:22:38,643 --> 00:22:40,563
something more aberrant?
398
00:23:08,683 --> 00:23:10,563
Who got her this?
399
00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,483
We had a collection, my team.
400
00:23:13,563 --> 00:23:15,083
Obviously, you'll want to, erm...
401
00:23:16,683 --> 00:23:18,843
..choose your own for the funeral,
but...
402
00:23:20,163 --> 00:23:23,523
..bring her here, we all wanted
something nice for her.
403
00:23:23,683 --> 00:23:24,763
Thank you.
404
00:23:25,803 --> 00:23:27,243
Thank all your team, please.
405
00:23:38,883 --> 00:23:42,123
I've asked, when we bury her,
for them to arrange her...
406
00:23:43,563 --> 00:23:45,723
..her bones, properly.
407
00:23:47,243 --> 00:23:50,483
And they're not to leave her
anywhere in the dark before then.
408
00:23:51,683 --> 00:23:53,363
She didn't like the dark.
409
00:24:00,883 --> 00:24:03,283
I miss you, my darling sister.
410
00:24:04,963 --> 00:24:07,083
I love you.
411
00:24:33,283 --> 00:24:37,043
I paid you your settlement, Derran,
in full, 15 years ago.
412
00:24:37,243 --> 00:24:39,843
So you say.
No, so the court says.
413
00:24:41,483 --> 00:24:42,923
I want the rest of it.
414
00:24:44,243 --> 00:24:45,643
Or you will regret it.
415
00:24:46,683 --> 00:24:48,603
And why will I regret it?
416
00:24:48,803 --> 00:24:51,123
Because I have evidence
of what you did to me
417
00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:54,203
and I don't think you want them
to see that, do you, the police?
418
00:24:54,363 --> 00:24:55,363
Not right now.
419
00:24:56,363 --> 00:24:59,483
Oh, right, so you're blackmailing
me now, are you?
420
00:25:00,603 --> 00:25:02,883
I just want what you owe me.
421
00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:06,123
OK. And how much
do we think that is, then?
422
00:25:07,683 --> 00:25:09,003
50,000.
423
00:25:13,043 --> 00:25:16,523
You see, if you'd pitched it
a little more realistically,
424
00:25:16,723 --> 00:25:18,883
you might have got ten grand out of me,
425
00:25:18,923 --> 00:25:19,963
just to be rid of you.
426
00:25:21,483 --> 00:25:23,403
But you always were a bit dim.
427
00:25:24,923 --> 00:25:28,323
OK, go to the police,
tell them what the fuck you like,
428
00:25:28,523 --> 00:25:30,483
but you're not getting anything out of me.
429
00:25:30,643 --> 00:25:32,643
And if you come back here again,
430
00:25:32,803 --> 00:25:34,403
I'll call the police for you.
431
00:25:50,963 --> 00:25:52,803
Carol, call me when you get this, please.
432
00:25:53,003 --> 00:25:54,683
I need to talk to you about something.
433
00:25:54,843 --> 00:25:56,163
It's fairly urgent.
434
00:26:04,723 --> 00:26:07,283
And when did you last speak
to your father, Miss Lowe?
435
00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:10,043
The last contact I had with him
was when Mum died, six years ago.
436
00:26:10,163 --> 00:26:11,683
I wrote to him via his friend Tim.
437
00:26:11,883 --> 00:26:14,043
So you haven't actually spoken since...?
438
00:26:14,203 --> 00:26:15,763
The day Mum threw him out.
439
00:26:15,923 --> 00:26:17,123
Right.
440
00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,963
So, we spoke to your father
441
00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:23,123
and we spoke to his ex-business partner.
442
00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:24,523
Helen.
443
00:26:24,683 --> 00:26:25,843
Yes.
444
00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:27,443
And they both offered a slight...
445
00:26:28,683 --> 00:26:32,523
..lack of clarity as to why
he stood down from his own company
446
00:26:32,683 --> 00:26:34,803
and why the marriage then failed.
447
00:26:34,963 --> 00:26:37,403
We wondered if maybe...
448
00:26:37,563 --> 00:26:39,523
..you could clarify anything.
449
00:26:39,683 --> 00:26:41,563
The two things were connected.
450
00:26:41,723 --> 00:26:44,123
They split because, in October 1999,
451
00:26:44,323 --> 00:26:46,483
police officers arrested him at his office
452
00:26:46,523 --> 00:26:48,523
as an early part of the Landmark case.
453
00:26:48,723 --> 00:26:51,763
Basically, he'd used his credit card
to visit child abuse websites.
454
00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,603
A couple of months later,
despite him begging her not to,
455
00:26:55,763 --> 00:26:57,603
Helen told Mum.
456
00:26:57,763 --> 00:26:59,163
Is that enough detail?
457
00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:01,203
Yes.
458
00:27:01,323 --> 00:27:03,083
Thank you.
459
00:27:21,638 --> 00:27:22,662
Mel!
460
00:27:22,958 --> 00:27:24,278
Why would you do that?
461
00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:26,896
Why would you go on national radio
and talk about him like that?
462
00:27:26,921 --> 00:27:29,300
I think you know why.
Because you're lonely and bitter?
463
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:32,358
Because you can't bear to see him
happy? I've always liked you, Amy.
464
00:27:32,627 --> 00:27:34,907
I've always thought you were smart,
ballsy.
465
00:27:36,214 --> 00:27:38,692
I even admire the fact
that you're here right now.
466
00:27:38,717 --> 00:27:41,060
But that interview went out
under 24 hours ago
467
00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:44,173
and already I have five e-mails
from women I knew nothing about,
468
00:27:44,198 --> 00:27:45,748
and I knew about a lot,
469
00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:48,139
talking about his sexual tastes,
470
00:27:48,253 --> 00:27:51,693
his voracious appetite, the things
he used to ask them to do.
471
00:27:52,022 --> 00:27:55,262
That stuff online about him
and that poor girl scared them.
472
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,120
And it scared me.
473
00:27:57,145 --> 00:28:00,459
And I'm sorry but...
it should scare you.
474
00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,998
What are you going to do with them,
the e-mails?
475
00:28:04,026 --> 00:28:05,906
Send them to the police, of course.
What else?
476
00:28:05,956 --> 00:28:07,623
That's why I did the interview.
477
00:28:17,398 --> 00:28:21,158
So, I've just re-checked
and we have no record
478
00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:23,358
of a Christopher Lowe
on our systems at all.
479
00:28:24,598 --> 00:28:25,918
Could he have changed his name?
480
00:28:26,118 --> 00:28:29,038
Well, we know his surname was Lowe
because it was in the company name.
481
00:28:29,198 --> 00:28:30,998
But maybe his first name?
482
00:28:31,158 --> 00:28:33,278
OK, we'll check. In the meantime...
483
00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,758
..Melissa Hollis
forwarded these on to me.
484
00:28:36,958 --> 00:28:39,998
They're from various women
James Hollis had relationships with
485
00:28:40,198 --> 00:28:43,198
whilst married to her
and to his current wife. Nice.
486
00:28:43,398 --> 00:28:46,638
They detail some of his more...
exotic exploits.
487
00:28:46,798 --> 00:28:49,318
A penchant for outdoor sex.
488
00:28:49,518 --> 00:28:52,878
One woman talks about a rape fantasy
he asked her play out.
489
00:28:53,078 --> 00:28:55,238
Anything illegal?
Not so far.
490
00:28:55,438 --> 00:28:59,038
Jake, did you manage to access
Derran Finch's medical records?
491
00:28:59,198 --> 00:29:01,078
Er, yeah, I did.
492
00:29:01,278 --> 00:29:03,438
And, basically, her ex-husband
was telling the truth.
493
00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:06,918
She has been treated for various
mental health issues over the years.
494
00:29:07,118 --> 00:29:09,998
Though, I'm not sure if they
tip over into the delusional, but...
495
00:29:10,198 --> 00:29:13,118
OK. Well, given what we've
just learned about Chris Lowe,
496
00:29:13,318 --> 00:29:16,478
I think we should prioritise him
right now. Let's get him down here.
497
00:29:18,518 --> 00:29:20,518
Can you tell me why you need
to speak to me again?
498
00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:22,438
Because I told you everything I know.
499
00:29:22,638 --> 00:29:24,158
Some new information has come to light
500
00:29:24,318 --> 00:29:27,038
which we'd like to go over with you.
What new information?
501
00:29:27,238 --> 00:29:29,518
Or I can get officers
from our Bristol police station
502
00:29:29,678 --> 00:29:30,998
to arrest you and bring you down.
503
00:29:31,078 --> 00:29:33,318
You know, my friend made
a complaint about your colleague
504
00:29:33,398 --> 00:29:34,918
and I just might make one about you.
505
00:29:35,078 --> 00:29:36,118
DI Sunil Khan.
506
00:29:36,318 --> 00:29:38,718
Bishop's Street Police Station.
507
00:29:38,918 --> 00:29:40,718
I can send you the right form,
if you like.
508
00:29:43,158 --> 00:29:45,998
Well, I suppose I can be there
by 12 tomorrow.
509
00:29:46,158 --> 00:29:47,598
See you at midday, Mr Lowe.
510
00:29:54,358 --> 00:29:57,998
Then, unfortunately, the police
also then spoke to your mum,
511
00:29:58,198 --> 00:30:01,198
because she was obviously
at the holiday house as well.
512
00:30:01,398 --> 00:30:03,798
As were we, having a lovely time.
Indeed.
513
00:30:03,998 --> 00:30:07,438
Anyway, I don't know specifically
what she might have said to them,
514
00:30:07,638 --> 00:30:09,998
although I can imagine
it was fairly negative about me.
515
00:30:10,158 --> 00:30:12,398
But more importantly,
516
00:30:12,598 --> 00:30:15,518
she's now threatened
to go to the police with evidence
517
00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:18,158
of some wrongdoing I've apparently
committed against her...
518
00:30:20,038 --> 00:30:21,798
..unless I give her ?50,000.
519
00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:23,158
What? No way!
520
00:30:23,358 --> 00:30:25,518
Oh, my God, that woman!
Dad, I'm so sorry.
521
00:30:25,718 --> 00:30:29,318
And you really don't need this
after everything else.
522
00:30:29,518 --> 00:30:32,438
I doubt very much
whether she'll go through with it.
523
00:30:32,638 --> 00:30:34,798
Not least because there is nothing, but...
524
00:30:34,838 --> 00:30:37,078
Yeah, I'll be honest, it's pretty tedious.
525
00:30:38,398 --> 00:30:42,038
And I'm afraid I did rather lose my
temper with her. I don't blame you.
526
00:30:42,238 --> 00:30:43,958
So she drove down today?
Yeah.
527
00:30:44,158 --> 00:30:46,958
I pretty much came straight here
from talking to her in my surgery.
528
00:30:47,158 --> 00:30:49,758
Jesus... And when did they first
speak to you, then, the police?
529
00:30:50,878 --> 00:30:53,358
Er... Monday, I think it was.
530
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,838
Monday?
531
00:30:55,038 --> 00:30:57,478
Wow, that was three days ago.
Yeah, I know.
532
00:30:57,678 --> 00:30:59,638
I should have told you before, but...
533
00:30:59,838 --> 00:31:02,318
to be honest, the whole thing
only took a couple of minutes.
534
00:31:02,518 --> 00:31:04,918
And if it hadn't have been
for your mother ramping things up,
535
00:31:05,118 --> 00:31:07,278
I probably would have forgotten
all about it.
536
00:31:07,318 --> 00:31:10,598
And I'm sure they're speaking
to hundreds of potential witnesses.
537
00:31:10,798 --> 00:31:13,398
Basically, they're speaking
to anyone and everyone
538
00:31:13,598 --> 00:31:15,998
who was resident in the town that week.
539
00:31:16,198 --> 00:31:18,678
That poor girl's parents.
I know.
540
00:31:18,838 --> 00:31:20,398
It's just brutal for them.
541
00:31:20,558 --> 00:31:22,398
I can't even begin to imagine.
542
00:31:23,878 --> 00:31:26,038
Right, well,
I think a cup of tea is in order.
543
00:31:26,078 --> 00:31:27,318
Good idea. I'll help you.
544
00:31:34,398 --> 00:31:36,358
You all right, love?
Yeah, yeah. All good.
545
00:31:41,598 --> 00:31:43,318
Is Jake around?
546
00:31:43,478 --> 00:31:44,998
Left already, I think.
547
00:31:45,198 --> 00:31:47,638
There's a lady downstairs,
says she's Tim Finch's ex-wife
548
00:31:47,838 --> 00:31:50,078
and has some photos
she would like to show him.
549
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:52,478
Guv...
550
00:31:52,638 --> 00:31:54,438
And when were these taken?
551
00:31:55,598 --> 00:31:57,478
Mid-to late-'90s.
552
00:31:57,638 --> 00:31:59,318
And who took them?
553
00:31:59,478 --> 00:32:01,638
My friend Keera.
554
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,518
She used to live a few doors down from us.
555
00:32:03,638 --> 00:32:05,598
Can we speak to Keera?
556
00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:07,878
She died in 2003.
557
00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:08,918
Right.
558
00:32:09,118 --> 00:32:11,598
And she never suggested you speak
to the police at the time?
559
00:32:11,798 --> 00:32:14,998
She did, but she also knew
how scared I was of him...
560
00:32:16,038 --> 00:32:17,998
..of what he might do if I did,
561
00:32:18,198 --> 00:32:20,358
so she knew it had to be my decision.
562
00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:22,358
Did you ever speak to a doctor
about the injuries?
563
00:32:22,478 --> 00:32:23,998
I was too scared he'd find out.
564
00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:27,718
I have to say, Mrs Finch,
565
00:32:27,918 --> 00:32:30,558
we can't really see your face
in these pictures
566
00:32:30,758 --> 00:32:34,998
and it could be quite hard to prove
that this is actually you
567
00:32:35,158 --> 00:32:36,758
from over 20 years ago.
568
00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:40,758
Who else would it be?
569
00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:41,998
Well, I don't know, but....
570
00:32:42,118 --> 00:32:44,438
Why else would I drive
all the way down here?
571
00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,038
I have nothing to gain from doing this.
572
00:32:49,078 --> 00:32:52,438
I just want to help you catch
that poor little girl's killer.
573
00:32:54,398 --> 00:32:57,438
And I want you to understand
what he is capable of.
574
00:33:00,958 --> 00:33:02,638
What do you think?
575
00:33:03,838 --> 00:33:07,398
I think this was a house
fucking full of secrets and lies.
576
00:33:08,998 --> 00:33:11,318
And I think it might be worth
speaking to the kids
577
00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:13,878
to see what their experience
of this marriage was.
578
00:33:15,398 --> 00:33:17,718
Maybe check his professional history.
579
00:33:18,798 --> 00:33:21,198
And then I think I want to sleep
for a year.
580
00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:28,878
I have never lied to you, Amy.
581
00:33:29,078 --> 00:33:31,998
I always told you there would be
other women that I....
582
00:33:32,198 --> 00:33:34,558
Oh, come on, don't get coy now,
other women that you fucked.
583
00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:35,918
But only one I loved.
584
00:33:37,158 --> 00:33:39,558
And liking a shag in the woods
doesn't make me a murderer.
585
00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:42,038
DOORBELL RINGS Jesus!
586
00:33:43,278 --> 00:33:44,838
These journalists...!
587
00:33:49,598 --> 00:33:51,278
Pete!
She's kicked me out, Jamie.
588
00:33:51,438 --> 00:33:52,718
Can I kip at yours for a bit?
589
00:33:55,758 --> 00:33:57,478
I'm sorry you feel let down, mate,
590
00:33:57,678 --> 00:33:59,838
but I have issues of my own at the moment
591
00:33:59,878 --> 00:34:01,878
and I need to spend some time alone
with Amy.
592
00:34:02,038 --> 00:34:03,438
Mate, I've nowhere to stay tonight.
593
00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:05,278
Then find a hotel, like a normal person.
594
00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:08,358
With what?
I gave you three grand two days ago.
595
00:34:08,518 --> 00:34:10,118
Nice.
596
00:34:10,278 --> 00:34:11,758
Just throw that back in my face.
597
00:34:11,958 --> 00:34:13,558
I'm not throwing it back in your face.
598
00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:15,558
I'm just reminding you
that I have helped you
599
00:34:15,718 --> 00:34:17,398
innumerable times over the years,
600
00:34:17,598 --> 00:34:19,758
and the one time I say no, you get arsy.
601
00:34:19,798 --> 00:34:20,998
Grow up.
602
00:34:21,158 --> 00:34:22,318
Fine.
603
00:34:25,678 --> 00:34:28,278
You might just want to consider
something, though.
604
00:34:30,438 --> 00:34:31,838
I know stuff, Jamie,
605
00:34:31,998 --> 00:34:34,438
about your boy that night.
606
00:34:34,598 --> 00:34:36,238
Stuff I've never mentioned before.
607
00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:39,438
You might just want to bear that in mind.
608
00:34:42,398 --> 00:34:44,518
Get the fuck out of my house.
609
00:35:06,758 --> 00:35:07,758
Oh...
610
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,315
Well, call data records show
that James Hollis rang Tim Finch
611
00:35:28,391 --> 00:35:30,588
about an hour after
we interviewed him. Oh, OK.
612
00:35:30,659 --> 00:35:33,591
And he also spoke to Pete Carr,
but not to Chris Lowe.
613
00:35:33,704 --> 00:35:36,502
Interesting.
Did any of the others ring Lowe?
614
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:39,252
No, but Lowe rang Finch
just after I called him yesterday.
615
00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:42,369
But the call length suggested
it went straight to voice mail.
616
00:35:42,534 --> 00:35:46,551
So the most vulnerable of the four
is left the most isolated.
617
00:35:46,578 --> 00:35:48,104
Which might be coincidence.
618
00:35:48,129 --> 00:35:49,980
Yeah, or it might not be.
Yeah.
619
00:35:50,232 --> 00:35:52,130
Dr Finch, it turns out,
has just been involved
620
00:35:52,184 --> 00:35:54,351
in a professional misconduct case.
621
00:35:54,385 --> 00:35:56,625
I mean, I should point out
he was completely exonerated.
622
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:58,236
But the allegation was,
623
00:35:58,511 --> 00:36:00,911
"He was verbally abusive
to an elderly patient,"
624
00:36:01,111 --> 00:36:03,951
"including an alleged threat
to overdose her on morphine."
625
00:36:04,111 --> 00:36:05,351
Wow.
626
00:36:08,185 --> 00:36:09,665
Violent to her?
627
00:36:09,994 --> 00:36:11,283
Jesus, God, no!
628
00:36:11,345 --> 00:36:13,861
No, we never saw any evidence of that.
629
00:36:14,111 --> 00:36:17,671
I mean, Em was 11,
I was 9 when they separated.
630
00:36:17,696 --> 00:36:20,111
So we weren't babies.
If there'd been anything like that,
631
00:36:20,137 --> 00:36:21,999
we'd have had some sense of it.
I know we would.
632
00:36:22,024 --> 00:36:23,368
But we just didn't, did we?
633
00:36:23,393 --> 00:36:26,221
Although you, erm, said earlier...
634
00:36:27,031 --> 00:36:31,408
..you were both at boarding school
from 7 till 18.
635
00:36:32,036 --> 00:36:34,196
Yeah, but we were home holidays,
lots of weekends.
636
00:36:34,221 --> 00:36:36,631
We saw a lot of our parents.
We know who our father is.
637
00:36:36,671 --> 00:36:39,831
That's not a violent man.
Not to our mother. Not to anyone.
638
00:36:40,456 --> 00:36:41,496
So...
639
00:36:42,699 --> 00:36:44,228
..you think these are fake?
640
00:36:45,961 --> 00:36:48,601
Fake or make-up or whatever.
641
00:36:48,658 --> 00:36:49,818
I don't...
642
00:36:49,893 --> 00:36:51,911
I don't really know or care.
643
00:36:52,111 --> 00:36:54,111
What I do know,
and I very much doubt she told you,
644
00:36:54,207 --> 00:36:57,017
is that she tried to get Dad
to give her 50,000 quid for them.
645
00:36:58,674 --> 00:36:59,736
Right.
646
00:36:59,987 --> 00:37:01,956
Sorry, when was this?
Yesterday.
647
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:04,994
I mean, he refused, of course.
Right.
648
00:37:05,049 --> 00:37:07,471
Look, our father is not a saint.
649
00:37:07,631 --> 00:37:09,231
He can be controlling
650
00:37:09,431 --> 00:37:11,588
and he certainly likes to get his own way,
651
00:37:11,643 --> 00:37:14,711
but everything you're implying to
do with the Hayley Reid case is...
652
00:37:15,011 --> 00:37:16,531
It's just not possible.
653
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:21,479
Thank you.
654
00:37:24,351 --> 00:37:26,311
50 grand...!
655
00:37:26,471 --> 00:37:27,471
Yeah.
656
00:37:28,751 --> 00:37:30,471
Odd the other sister hardly said a word.
657
00:37:30,631 --> 00:37:32,631
Yeah, I clocked that.
658
00:37:32,831 --> 00:37:35,591
Bottom line, I suspect Derran Finch
is a bit bonkers, but...
659
00:37:37,151 --> 00:37:39,551
..bonkers people
tell the truth as well.
660
00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,991
Sunny, what time's Lowe here?
661
00:37:56,311 --> 00:37:57,591
He should be here now.
662
00:38:01,631 --> 00:38:02,831
Oh, no...
663
00:38:04,511 --> 00:38:05,591
Shit!
664
00:38:06,751 --> 00:38:07,831
Shit! Shit!
665
00:38:07,991 --> 00:38:09,351
What?
666
00:38:09,551 --> 00:38:11,551
Obviously,
I went straight back to the cafe,
667
00:38:11,711 --> 00:38:13,151
but they'd had nothing handed in.
668
00:38:13,311 --> 00:38:14,631
I'm so sorry, sir.
669
00:38:14,831 --> 00:38:17,191
So, whose file?
Pete Carr's.
670
00:38:18,271 --> 00:38:19,911
Any sensitive stuff inside?
671
00:38:21,231 --> 00:38:22,711
Lots.
672
00:38:59,231 --> 00:39:02,391
I feel like I'm slightly losing
the plot. Don't be daft.
673
00:39:02,551 --> 00:39:04,551
My dad, these files...
674
00:39:04,711 --> 00:39:06,831
They'll turn up. It'll be fine.
675
00:39:06,871 --> 00:39:09,071
You're just tired.
It just makes everything seem worse.
676
00:39:11,511 --> 00:39:13,671
Come on, then, let's do Chris Lowe.
Ah...
677
00:39:14,631 --> 00:39:16,031
He didn't turn up.
678
00:39:16,191 --> 00:39:17,351
Right.
679
00:39:17,551 --> 00:39:18,951
Did he call?
No.
680
00:39:19,151 --> 00:39:21,671
Nothing.
I left a message on his mobile,
681
00:39:21,831 --> 00:39:23,311
left it at his work, nothing.
682
00:39:23,511 --> 00:39:25,831
Boss? Have you got two minutes?
Sure, yeah. What's up?
683
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,687
Er, I was doing a bit of a dig on
Hollis, following the e-mails. Yep.
684
00:39:28,711 --> 00:39:30,671
I've found something
I think we've all missed.
685
00:39:32,511 --> 00:39:33,911
OK.
686
00:39:34,111 --> 00:39:37,391
So the way the fathers
all spoke about the kids,
687
00:39:37,551 --> 00:39:39,111
kind of days out and bedtimes,
688
00:39:39,311 --> 00:39:41,671
I think we just assumed
they were all little ones.
689
00:39:41,831 --> 00:39:43,631
And three of the four were.
690
00:39:43,831 --> 00:39:47,071
Emma Finch was ten, her sister
was eight and Maya Lowe was six.
691
00:39:47,271 --> 00:39:49,711
But Eliot Hollis, it turns out
he was about to turn 16.
692
00:39:49,871 --> 00:39:52,711
And 16 with some issues.
693
00:39:52,871 --> 00:39:54,551
Two arrests already for possession.
694
00:39:54,711 --> 00:39:56,391
One for drunk and disorderly.
695
00:39:56,551 --> 00:39:58,191
And this is a real stinger...
696
00:39:58,351 --> 00:40:01,631
Erm, one for stealing his dad's car
697
00:40:01,791 --> 00:40:03,911
a month before the Millennium.
698
00:40:03,951 --> 00:40:05,551
Call the father back in now.
699
00:40:29,711 --> 00:40:31,311
Hey, Mark.
700
00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:32,791
Where are you?
701
00:40:32,951 --> 00:40:34,631
Yeah, erm... on my way in.
702
00:40:34,791 --> 00:40:36,671
Sorry, I was chasing down a...
703
00:40:36,871 --> 00:40:39,271
I've had all your stuff boxed up.
I'll leave it at reception.
704
00:40:40,471 --> 00:40:41,951
Sorry?
705
00:40:42,151 --> 00:40:45,111
You stole from the disabled, never
mind the Hayley Reid connections.
706
00:40:45,311 --> 00:40:46,991
I don't want you
anywhere near my business.
707
00:40:47,071 --> 00:40:48,431
Mark, listen to me.
708
00:40:48,591 --> 00:40:50,191
No matter what Maria's told you...
709
00:40:50,351 --> 00:40:51,751
Maria hasn't told me anything.
710
00:40:51,911 --> 00:40:53,311
Have you not been online?
711
00:40:53,471 --> 00:40:55,151
Online?
712
00:40:55,311 --> 00:40:56,631
No, why?
713
00:40:57,791 --> 00:40:58,991
Google your name.
714
00:41:15,751 --> 00:41:18,831
Jesus, there's one site here
that's found a photo of him.
715
00:41:21,911 --> 00:41:23,711
OK, I need to make a statement.
716
00:41:23,911 --> 00:41:26,591
And we need
to shut these websites down fast.
717
00:41:26,791 --> 00:41:28,271
The press are going to slaughter us.
718
00:41:28,471 --> 00:41:31,151
If you need to take me off the case,
I'll understand completely.
719
00:41:31,351 --> 00:41:36,271
For the record, I very much want
to stay and make good my mistake.
720
00:41:37,631 --> 00:41:39,511
I need to find Pete Carr.
721
00:41:44,431 --> 00:41:47,431
I didn't do it, Tim.
I want you to know that.
722
00:41:47,631 --> 00:41:49,311
Pete, you really don't need
to convince me.
723
00:41:49,471 --> 00:41:50,951
I've made mistakes.
724
00:41:51,151 --> 00:41:53,311
I've done some pretty shabby things,
I'll accept that.
725
00:41:53,351 --> 00:41:55,191
But I'd never hurt anyone.
726
00:41:55,391 --> 00:41:57,551
I never even saw Hayley Reid that night.
727
00:41:57,711 --> 00:41:59,151
Yeah, I believe you.
728
00:41:59,311 --> 00:42:00,991
Well, the police clearly don't.
729
00:42:01,191 --> 00:42:03,831
And I'm not sure they believe a word
I say now.
730
00:42:04,031 --> 00:42:07,151
So I want to tell you something
and I want you to tell the police.
731
00:42:08,671 --> 00:42:12,271
OK, but I'm not sure they want to
speak to me again. But if they do...
732
00:42:12,431 --> 00:42:15,151
It's about Jamie's boy Eliot.
733
00:42:15,311 --> 00:42:17,551
About something I saw that night.
734
00:42:48,351 --> 00:42:50,271
Have you tried the arts centre?
735
00:42:50,471 --> 00:42:52,791
Yeah, but they said
that he wouldn't be in today.
736
00:42:52,991 --> 00:42:55,351
Right, well, that's where he told me
he was going. OK.
737
00:42:55,511 --> 00:42:56,991
Well, I'll try his mobile again.
738
00:42:57,151 --> 00:42:58,431
Is he in trouble?
739
00:42:58,631 --> 00:43:00,271
I can't tell you any more, I'm afraid.
740
00:43:02,711 --> 00:43:04,431
He's a very vulnerable man, DI Khan.
741
00:43:04,591 --> 00:43:06,431
Tell me if I should be worried.
742
00:43:08,311 --> 00:43:09,831
You have a son, I think.
743
00:43:10,951 --> 00:43:12,271
Er, yes.
744
00:43:12,431 --> 00:43:13,511
Asif.
745
00:43:13,711 --> 00:43:16,471
Jamila, is there anywhere
that you and Asif can go and stay
746
00:43:16,671 --> 00:43:19,551
for the next few days
that Christopher doesn't know about?
747
00:43:26,511 --> 00:43:28,671
On behalf of the Metropolitan Police,
748
00:43:28,711 --> 00:43:32,271
I wish to apologise to Mr Carr
and his family
749
00:43:32,431 --> 00:43:35,351
and indeed to Hayley Reid's family
750
00:43:35,551 --> 00:43:39,751
for any distress
that has been caused by my mistake.
751
00:43:41,431 --> 00:43:44,831
I wish to reiterate
that no arrests have been made.
752
00:43:45,951 --> 00:43:48,391
No-one has been charged with anything.
753
00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:51,031
And that Mr Carr
is just one of many people
754
00:43:51,231 --> 00:43:53,431
who are helping us with our enquiries.
755
00:43:53,591 --> 00:43:55,551
I would like to remind people
756
00:43:55,751 --> 00:43:59,271
that publication of these documents
online is illegal...
757
00:44:00,711 --> 00:44:03,471
..and we will take action
against anyone who does so.
758
00:44:04,671 --> 00:44:07,311
I would also remind members of the public
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that we will be seeking prosecution
for any online activity
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that seeks to incite violence
against Mr Carr.
761
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And lastly, I would urge
whoever found this document
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to take it to their nearest police station
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and hand it in as soon as possible.
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Thank you.
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Peter Carr?
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Urgh!
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