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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:02,813 I presume you've seen the news about the Hayley Reid case? 2 00:00:02,894 --> 00:00:05,108 The police think she may have been our cleaner. 3 00:00:05,173 --> 00:00:07,493 I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 4 00:00:07,653 --> 00:00:09,053 eating with our families. 5 00:00:09,213 --> 00:00:11,061 I have a daughter Maya, 6 00:00:11,147 --> 00:00:13,453 who I last saw 17 years ago. 7 00:00:13,529 --> 00:00:14,609 Three grand. 8 00:00:14,653 --> 00:00:18,413 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 9 00:00:18,613 --> 00:00:20,773 This isn't working, Pete, you and me. 10 00:00:20,945 --> 00:00:22,065 Your marriage ended when? 11 00:00:22,133 --> 00:00:24,453 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 12 00:00:24,653 --> 00:00:28,173 but I should just say that she's had a number of issues. 13 00:00:28,326 --> 00:00:31,286 Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 14 00:00:31,342 --> 00:00:33,044 Of the three of you that were married, 15 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:35,293 all of you were separated within the year. 16 00:00:35,333 --> 00:00:38,413 That was nothing to do with anything that happened on that break. 17 00:00:38,573 --> 00:00:40,053 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 18 00:00:40,213 --> 00:00:42,133 Someone might have bought some coke. 19 00:00:42,293 --> 00:00:44,813 Chris went completely nuts. 20 00:00:45,082 --> 00:00:47,842 There was another employee. She went as Madonna 21 00:00:47,906 --> 00:00:49,012 and she left around 12:10. 22 00:00:49,067 --> 00:00:51,752 So she could have actually left the pub earlier. 23 00:00:51,835 --> 00:00:55,387 We now have four men, variously pissed, drugged up, 24 00:00:55,434 --> 00:00:58,449 possibly mentally unstable, out somewhere in Middenham 25 00:00:58,528 --> 00:01:00,683 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 26 00:01:09,874 --> 00:01:11,674 * All you do is hide away 27 00:01:13,672 --> 00:01:16,632 * All you do is All you do is hide away 28 00:01:17,530 --> 00:01:19,499 * All you do is lie and wait 29 00:01:21,268 --> 00:01:24,288 * All you do is All you do is lie and wait 30 00:01:25,133 --> 00:01:28,853 * I've been upside down 31 00:01:28,975 --> 00:01:31,495 * I don't wanna be The right way round 32 00:01:32,653 --> 00:01:35,973 * Can't find paradise On the ground. * 33 00:01:47,442 --> 00:01:49,402 We just got the DNA swab results in 34 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:52,121 and we've got a match to the blood on the church break-in. 35 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:53,825 Wow, who? 36 00:01:54,681 --> 00:01:56,161 Pete Carr. 37 00:02:03,213 --> 00:02:04,693 Bad man! Stop! 38 00:02:04,853 --> 00:02:06,733 Oh...! Argh...! 39 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:09,573 Pete, please, they're supposed to be eating breakfast! 40 00:02:09,882 --> 00:02:12,362 Oh, I'm sorry. Go on, Will, do as your mum says. 41 00:02:22,270 --> 00:02:23,292 Pete Carr. 42 00:02:23,327 --> 00:02:25,087 Mr Carr, DI Sunil Khan. 43 00:02:25,442 --> 00:02:26,946 Hi, morning. 44 00:02:27,013 --> 00:02:29,059 Mr Carr, we need to speak to you again. 45 00:02:30,346 --> 00:02:31,826 Do you? About what? 46 00:02:33,493 --> 00:02:35,253 Well, we can discuss that when we meet. 47 00:02:35,305 --> 00:02:38,437 We'd like you to be King's Lynn police station at 1:30, please. 48 00:02:38,902 --> 00:02:41,405 Do I need a... a lawyer or anything? 49 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:43,590 I'm afraid I can't advise you on legal representation. 50 00:02:43,693 --> 00:02:47,213 But we will be looking to interview you under caution, so... 51 00:02:47,373 --> 00:02:48,477 Right, sure. 52 00:02:48,571 --> 00:02:51,454 Good. See you later. Bye. Bye. 53 00:02:54,204 --> 00:02:56,040 Do you need a lawyer for what? 54 00:02:56,756 --> 00:02:58,476 The new FSA contracts. 55 00:02:58,653 --> 00:03:00,934 I was just asking Mark if we need to run them by a lawyer. 56 00:03:00,973 --> 00:03:02,653 He says they're all fine. 57 00:03:05,733 --> 00:03:08,533 Come on. Come and eat your breakfast. 58 00:03:10,616 --> 00:03:14,524 So DI Khan and I are heading straight up to Norfolk now, 59 00:03:14,549 --> 00:03:16,588 following on from that DNA result. 60 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:18,773 Although, obviously, there are some questions 61 00:03:18,813 --> 00:03:20,401 for them all to answer now, 62 00:03:20,497 --> 00:03:24,773 following Melissa Hollis's ever so slightly different account 63 00:03:25,328 --> 00:03:26,400 of that evening. 64 00:03:26,537 --> 00:03:29,194 Jake, it might be worth speaking to Tim Finch's ex, 65 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:31,443 see how she remembers the evening. Guv. 66 00:03:31,468 --> 00:03:34,148 And James Hollis finally came back about his car. 67 00:03:34,173 --> 00:03:36,985 It turns out he was driving a black four-door BMW 68 00:03:37,501 --> 00:03:38,719 with a tow bar. 69 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:40,424 Do you know if he had a trailer? 70 00:03:40,708 --> 00:03:41,753 Yeah. 71 00:03:41,778 --> 00:03:42,778 Interesting. 72 00:03:43,384 --> 00:03:46,437 And all this, it feeds into a bigger question 73 00:03:46,486 --> 00:03:48,148 that I think we need to ask now. 74 00:03:48,173 --> 00:03:50,548 Because, if what Melissa Hollis said is true, 75 00:03:50,961 --> 00:03:53,881 it means that not only did all four men lie to us... 76 00:03:54,293 --> 00:03:58,142 ..all four then appear to have colluded in that lie. 77 00:03:58,190 --> 00:04:01,165 And at that point, I start to ask, 78 00:04:01,384 --> 00:04:02,664 why would they do that? 79 00:04:02,798 --> 00:04:04,398 Do you think they're all involved, boss? 80 00:04:04,449 --> 00:04:07,249 I don't know. But I think it has to be one of our options. 81 00:04:07,495 --> 00:04:10,064 Or maybe it's that one of them killed her... 82 00:04:10,958 --> 00:04:13,118 ..and the other three covered up for him. 83 00:04:14,613 --> 00:04:16,733 Anyway, let's let that percolate 84 00:04:16,773 --> 00:04:20,087 and then we'll regroup once we've spoken to Mr Carr. 85 00:04:20,673 --> 00:04:21,993 Thank you, everyone. 86 00:04:22,208 --> 00:04:23,808 Are you driving or me? 87 00:04:37,809 --> 00:04:39,129 Can we sue the site? 88 00:04:39,173 --> 00:04:42,183 We can try, but it's registered to a 27-year-old woman 89 00:04:42,245 --> 00:04:43,923 that lives in a council flat. 90 00:04:43,948 --> 00:04:45,608 She literally has nothing to lose. 91 00:04:45,649 --> 00:04:47,369 Well, we've got to do something, Linda. 92 00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:49,733 If you type me and Hayley Reid's name into a search engine, 93 00:04:49,933 --> 00:04:52,190 those photographs come up on three other sites already. 94 00:04:52,261 --> 00:04:54,493 And I've got a guy working to get them taken down. 95 00:04:54,533 --> 00:04:56,401 I'm doing everything I can. 96 00:04:56,426 --> 00:04:57,546 Call me back. 97 00:04:58,966 --> 00:04:59,966 Amy. 98 00:04:59,991 --> 00:05:02,933 Morning, James, do you wish to comment on your connection to...? 99 00:05:08,973 --> 00:05:10,413 Daily Mirror, Mr Hollis. 100 00:05:10,488 --> 00:05:14,248 Are there any comment you'd like to make about the Hayley Reid case? 101 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:16,784 Did you stay long last night? 102 00:05:17,373 --> 00:05:19,893 No. Left about half an hour after you. 103 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:21,173 Knackered. 104 00:05:28,053 --> 00:05:30,533 Er, long enough for him to ask me out to dinner, though. 105 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:33,973 Don't. 106 00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:35,853 Er, I didn't... 107 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:44,490 They did the same with me. It's what they do. 108 00:05:44,634 --> 00:05:46,274 It doesn't mean anything, I promise. 109 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:48,213 And I asked for someone to be with me. 110 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,315 I told her, you know, the problem, and she just ignored me. 111 00:05:51,448 --> 00:05:53,413 You explicitly asked her for someone? 112 00:05:53,453 --> 00:05:54,864 Yes. Yes, definitely. 113 00:05:54,935 --> 00:05:57,208 Jesus, outrageous! How dare she? 114 00:05:58,773 --> 00:06:02,896 Listen, I have to shoot but, if you're happy for me to do it, 115 00:06:02,939 --> 00:06:05,099 I'll make a formal complaint on your behalf. 116 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:07,693 Well, yeah. OK, yeah. 117 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:09,583 Thank you. No, I just... 118 00:06:10,891 --> 00:06:12,211 These people. 119 00:06:15,893 --> 00:06:19,052 I've just come off the phone from an Inspector Chan in Hong Kong. 120 00:06:19,133 --> 00:06:21,293 And it turns out he knew Peter Carr very well. 121 00:06:21,333 --> 00:06:22,357 Tell me. 122 00:06:22,435 --> 00:06:24,573 So, in 1985, when Carr was living there... 123 00:06:24,866 --> 00:06:28,226 We've all been through some shit, Chris, all done stuff.... 124 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:31,173 ..we shouldn't have. 125 00:06:31,333 --> 00:06:33,271 So I'm just saying, 126 00:06:33,693 --> 00:06:35,333 you'll always be my friend, mate, 127 00:06:35,618 --> 00:06:37,138 no matter what. 128 00:06:44,013 --> 00:06:46,293 I love you, mate. Yeah. 129 00:06:46,765 --> 00:06:48,245 Love you, too. 130 00:06:54,853 --> 00:06:58,146 So I am going to ask you again, Mr Carr... 131 00:06:58,943 --> 00:07:01,133 ..were you in the house all evening? 132 00:07:02,613 --> 00:07:04,973 Not all evening, no. 133 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:06,893 I was in the pub for a... 134 00:07:08,133 --> 00:07:09,373 ..a fair bit. 135 00:07:09,892 --> 00:07:12,052 And that's from what time to what time? 136 00:07:12,646 --> 00:07:14,126 From about... 137 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:17,213 ..8:30 to just before midnight. Mm-hm. 138 00:07:18,465 --> 00:07:21,865 So why didn't you just tell us that? I don't know, I... 139 00:07:22,213 --> 00:07:23,653 It was stupid. 140 00:07:24,653 --> 00:07:26,333 I just panicked, I suppose. 141 00:07:27,386 --> 00:07:31,133 I was on a bit of a pub crawl. I was on my own. 142 00:07:31,333 --> 00:07:34,213 I guess I thought that didn't put me in a good light. 143 00:07:34,373 --> 00:07:36,613 In relation to Hayley Reid, I mean. 144 00:07:36,813 --> 00:07:39,653 So I... I just said I was in the house with the others. 145 00:07:40,893 --> 00:07:42,813 You said that you were on a pub crawl. 146 00:07:42,973 --> 00:07:44,013 Yes. 147 00:07:44,043 --> 00:07:46,133 Did you pass St Matthew's church on the way back? 148 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:49,093 No. Are you sure? 149 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:50,862 Yes. 150 00:07:52,253 --> 00:07:56,573 Are you sure you didn't, in fact, break into St Matthew's church 151 00:07:56,773 --> 00:07:59,693 and steal some silverware from a cupboard in the vestry? 152 00:08:00,933 --> 00:08:02,853 We have a DNA match to you, 153 00:08:03,013 --> 00:08:05,693 from blood samples taken at the time 154 00:08:05,893 --> 00:08:09,043 from the window that you smashed to get in. 155 00:08:10,943 --> 00:08:12,663 Was that you? 156 00:08:16,213 --> 00:08:17,246 Yes. 157 00:08:18,103 --> 00:08:19,223 I was, er... 158 00:08:20,411 --> 00:08:23,472 My company was having some cash flow issues and, er... 159 00:08:23,785 --> 00:08:26,133 ..with all the Christmas and New Year expenditure, 160 00:08:26,173 --> 00:08:27,893 I found I didn't have enough money 161 00:08:27,933 --> 00:08:30,246 for my flight back to Hong Kong, so... 162 00:08:33,853 --> 00:08:36,013 I'd been in there the previous evening... 163 00:08:37,173 --> 00:08:38,777 ..to a service... 164 00:08:39,293 --> 00:08:41,413 ..and seen the silverware and... 165 00:08:47,213 --> 00:08:51,386 It was an utterly shameful thing to do and I am so sorry. 166 00:09:04,673 --> 00:09:05,913 Are you OK? 167 00:09:06,093 --> 00:09:07,373 Yeah, fine. 168 00:09:09,238 --> 00:09:10,998 Not having second thoughts? 169 00:09:17,053 --> 00:09:18,074 Never. 170 00:09:18,980 --> 00:09:20,681 Never. No. 171 00:09:20,733 --> 00:09:23,093 I'm just tired. Good. 172 00:09:30,893 --> 00:09:33,133 I wish to introduce evidence of bad character 173 00:09:33,293 --> 00:09:35,413 under the Criminal Justice Act 2001. 174 00:09:36,533 --> 00:09:39,133 See, we've been speaking to the Hong Kong police. 175 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:41,733 Do you want to tell us about the three-month sentence 176 00:09:41,933 --> 00:09:46,213 that you served in 1995 in Lo Wu Correctional Facility 177 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:50,753 for defrauding a disability charity of $100,000, 178 00:09:50,816 --> 00:09:53,773 an amount which caused it to close down? 179 00:09:54,394 --> 00:09:55,693 I was set up. 180 00:09:56,113 --> 00:09:57,515 That was all. 181 00:09:57,653 --> 00:10:00,527 The system out there was corrupt. I was set up. 182 00:10:00,645 --> 00:10:03,605 Really? Yes, fucking really! 183 00:10:04,893 --> 00:10:07,973 You see, I think you give a very good impression 184 00:10:08,173 --> 00:10:11,980 of being a decent, if slightly hapless businessman, Peter. 185 00:10:12,053 --> 00:10:13,933 But I think you have a much darker side. 186 00:10:14,472 --> 00:10:16,277 Do you? Yes, I do. 187 00:10:16,333 --> 00:10:19,773 I think you have a side that thinks primarily of what you need. 188 00:10:19,870 --> 00:10:21,128 Maybe once. 189 00:10:22,214 --> 00:10:23,273 Not now. 190 00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:25,813 Well, indeed, because I think, when you broke into that church, 191 00:10:25,933 --> 00:10:28,093 that was exactly what you were thinking, 192 00:10:28,133 --> 00:10:30,453 "How do I get myself out of this hole?" 193 00:10:30,653 --> 00:10:33,413 But I would never have hurt anyone. I'm sure you didn't plan to. 194 00:10:33,573 --> 00:10:34,973 But then, maybe... 195 00:10:35,274 --> 00:10:38,636 ..maybe Hayley saw you go in and she confronted you. 196 00:10:38,661 --> 00:10:42,042 Now, you knew she could identify you from the Spinney. 197 00:10:42,089 --> 00:10:43,165 No. 198 00:10:43,190 --> 00:10:46,057 So you did what you needed to do to protect your needs. 199 00:10:46,133 --> 00:10:47,333 Not true. 200 00:10:47,422 --> 00:10:49,682 Except you've lied to us, Peter... 201 00:10:50,413 --> 00:10:51,973 ..from the moment we spoke to you, 202 00:10:51,998 --> 00:10:54,133 so why should we suddenly start believing you now? 203 00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:01,533 Can I get through, please? 204 00:11:01,693 --> 00:11:03,293 Excuse me. Out of my way, please. 205 00:11:05,333 --> 00:11:06,813 Thank you. 206 00:11:17,826 --> 00:11:20,026 When exactly where you planning to tell me? 207 00:11:29,412 --> 00:11:31,133 What do you think? 208 00:11:31,293 --> 00:11:33,213 He's clearly a fraud. 209 00:11:33,373 --> 00:11:34,813 And weak. 210 00:11:35,332 --> 00:11:36,972 And a liar. 211 00:11:37,733 --> 00:11:40,053 The question is, do I sense violence? 212 00:11:40,666 --> 00:11:41,817 I don't know. 213 00:11:42,766 --> 00:11:45,630 I wouldn't want to see him backed into a corner, though. 214 00:12:02,529 --> 00:12:04,093 Tell me what's going on, 215 00:12:04,293 --> 00:12:07,576 or I swear I will go in there right now and ask them myself. 216 00:12:21,323 --> 00:12:23,563 OK, right, well, that seems to chime 217 00:12:23,763 --> 00:12:26,963 pretty much with what Melissa Hollis told us. 218 00:12:27,123 --> 00:12:29,723 And, erm... what's my ex said, 219 00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:32,243 what's Timothy said about the evening? 220 00:12:32,443 --> 00:12:36,003 I'm afraid I can't really go into too many details about that. 221 00:12:37,243 --> 00:12:40,083 It's just, when you rang, it wasn't a complete shock. 222 00:12:41,563 --> 00:12:42,638 I'm sorry? 223 00:12:42,663 --> 00:12:44,883 I think, on some subconscious level... 224 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:48,170 ..I had always wondered. Well, wondered what? 225 00:12:48,243 --> 00:12:50,083 If he could have been involved. 226 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:53,790 I mean, I'm sure he's told you I'm delusional... 227 00:12:54,816 --> 00:12:56,216 ..and a fantasist. 228 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:58,215 Mad. 229 00:12:59,283 --> 00:13:02,883 And maybe I have had periods when I've not acted entirely rationally. 230 00:13:03,053 --> 00:13:06,053 I know I've alienated my daughters and... 231 00:13:08,963 --> 00:13:12,123 ..and I'm incredibly sad about that, but... 232 00:13:13,678 --> 00:13:16,523 ..the way I've been, what I became, 233 00:13:16,723 --> 00:13:18,952 that was actually entirely because of him. 234 00:13:19,032 --> 00:13:20,990 Dr Finch? Yes. 235 00:13:21,163 --> 00:13:23,045 How do you mean? I mean... 236 00:13:23,858 --> 00:13:26,723 ..to talk to, on the face of it, in public... 237 00:13:28,038 --> 00:13:31,078 ..you would think he was such a lovely man, wouldn't you? 238 00:13:31,192 --> 00:13:34,312 Kind and gentle... 239 00:13:34,683 --> 00:13:35,944 ..and good. 240 00:13:36,022 --> 00:13:40,389 "A good man" was how people always described him in our village. 241 00:13:42,563 --> 00:13:46,003 But behind closed doors, he's the most manipulative, calculating man 242 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:48,741 I've ever met and he made my life a complete misery. 243 00:13:50,479 --> 00:13:51,599 How so? 244 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:54,358 For the 13 years that we were married, 245 00:13:54,383 --> 00:13:57,039 he tried to control every single aspect of it. 246 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:00,710 He stopped me from working. 247 00:14:00,830 --> 00:14:02,819 He cut me off from my friends. 248 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,531 He stopped me going out at all by the end. 249 00:14:07,952 --> 00:14:11,977 Well, he abused me mentally, physically... 250 00:14:14,083 --> 00:14:16,243 ..sometimes even sexually. 251 00:14:17,053 --> 00:14:20,082 And if I hadn't managed to escaped when I did... 252 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,200 ..who knows what he might have ended up doing? 253 00:14:30,312 --> 00:14:31,902 Four days ago? 254 00:14:31,949 --> 00:14:34,203 Obviously, just as a witness, so... 255 00:14:34,479 --> 00:14:35,599 So...? 256 00:14:35,683 --> 00:14:38,523 So, what? So that means you didn't need to mention it to me. 257 00:14:38,683 --> 00:14:40,363 I'm sorry, I should have. 258 00:14:40,663 --> 00:14:42,423 How do you even do that? 259 00:14:42,483 --> 00:14:46,163 We've been out to dinner, we've had a million conversations, 260 00:14:46,323 --> 00:14:48,683 we've had sex, and I... 261 00:14:48,883 --> 00:14:51,763 ..never once had an inkling that you were lying to me. 262 00:14:51,963 --> 00:14:54,483 I never lied. Oh, please, by omission, yes, you lied. 263 00:14:54,683 --> 00:14:57,483 Just leave the phone, Jamie.... 264 00:14:57,683 --> 00:14:59,883 It's my agent. She's rung three times already. 265 00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:01,323 Sue... 266 00:15:08,123 --> 00:15:09,883 I'll call you back. 267 00:15:12,883 --> 00:15:15,043 They're suspending recordings for a month. 268 00:15:20,243 --> 00:15:22,403 So, is there anything else you haven't told me? 269 00:15:26,723 --> 00:15:28,283 Jesus, you're... 270 00:15:28,483 --> 00:15:30,363 ..you're meant to say no really quickly. 271 00:15:30,563 --> 00:15:33,523 You're meant to get really cross and say, "No, of course there isn't!" 272 00:15:33,723 --> 00:15:36,323 No, of course there isn't. I need to speak to my solicitor. 273 00:15:36,483 --> 00:15:37,803 Well, don't just walk out now! 274 00:15:41,203 --> 00:15:42,763 Oh, hi, Usha. It's me. 275 00:15:42,963 --> 00:15:46,443 Sunil, I can't really talk right now. I'm at work. 276 00:15:46,643 --> 00:15:48,803 But I was wondering, could we meet up? 277 00:15:49,923 --> 00:15:51,403 Er, why? 278 00:15:52,443 --> 00:15:54,723 I'd really prefer not to say over the phone. 279 00:15:54,883 --> 00:15:57,003 I'd prefer to see you in person. 280 00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,843 Right. 281 00:15:59,003 --> 00:16:00,803 I really wouldn't. 282 00:16:02,083 --> 00:16:05,483 Look, I know you have every right to be angry with me, Sunny. 283 00:16:05,643 --> 00:16:07,323 I know how much I hurt you. 284 00:16:09,003 --> 00:16:11,443 But I've been doing a lot of soul searching recently. 285 00:16:13,083 --> 00:16:14,523 And I've realised... 286 00:16:15,563 --> 00:16:16,963 ..I made a terrible mistake. 287 00:16:17,123 --> 00:16:19,443 I miss you and the girls. 288 00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:21,723 I miss us all living together. 289 00:16:23,803 --> 00:16:25,523 I want to come back. 290 00:16:29,843 --> 00:16:31,563 And has she got any proof of anything? 291 00:16:31,723 --> 00:16:32,923 Oh, I asked her exactly that. 292 00:16:33,083 --> 00:16:34,803 Which didn't go down very well. 293 00:16:35,003 --> 00:16:37,683 She got slightly defensive and asked me to leave. 294 00:16:37,883 --> 00:16:40,363 But what was your general sense of her, as a person? 295 00:16:40,523 --> 00:16:42,643 Did she...? Did she feel credible? 296 00:16:43,963 --> 00:16:46,963 It's hard to say. She certainly felt like a very damaged woman. 297 00:16:47,163 --> 00:16:51,163 If that make her more or less credible, I don't know, Guv. 298 00:16:52,283 --> 00:16:55,123 OK, let's go for a Section 23 for her medical records, 299 00:16:55,323 --> 00:16:58,603 see if what Finch said about her mental health was true. Speak later. 300 00:16:58,763 --> 00:16:59,803 Guv. 301 00:17:06,123 --> 00:17:07,283 Are you all right? 302 00:17:09,443 --> 00:17:11,603 Not really, no. 303 00:17:11,763 --> 00:17:13,003 Talk to me. 304 00:17:21,763 --> 00:17:25,243 It was a day centre for adults with learning difficulties. 305 00:17:25,443 --> 00:17:27,963 I met the team who ran it at a charity function 306 00:17:28,163 --> 00:17:31,203 and it turns out they needed someone to restructure their finances, 307 00:17:31,363 --> 00:17:33,283 so I offered my services. 308 00:17:33,443 --> 00:17:35,603 I genuinely wanted to help them. 309 00:17:36,643 --> 00:17:38,243 And then... 310 00:17:38,443 --> 00:17:41,843 ..my business started having some cash flow issues and, er... 311 00:17:43,843 --> 00:17:46,603 I only ever intended to borrow the money, Maria. 312 00:17:46,763 --> 00:17:48,323 I was always going to pay it back. 313 00:17:49,803 --> 00:17:53,163 Then a tax demand came in earlier than expected and... 314 00:17:55,483 --> 00:17:57,483 It was all just bad timing. 315 00:17:58,603 --> 00:18:00,843 No-one was more upset than me 316 00:18:01,043 --> 00:18:03,003 when they were evicted, I promise you. 317 00:18:05,203 --> 00:18:06,483 And the church thing... 318 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,363 No excuses. 319 00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:14,123 Which is what I told the police. 320 00:18:14,323 --> 00:18:17,043 I deserve to be charged. I deserve to be punished. 321 00:18:17,203 --> 00:18:19,323 It was a terrible thing to do. 322 00:18:19,363 --> 00:18:21,043 But that is it, Maria. 323 00:18:21,203 --> 00:18:23,083 That is everything. 324 00:18:23,243 --> 00:18:24,563 I promise. 325 00:18:26,083 --> 00:18:29,763 I had nothing to do with that poor girl's death. 326 00:18:31,163 --> 00:18:34,043 And I'm telling you all of this because 327 00:18:34,243 --> 00:18:38,163 I want you to know the very worst things that I've done... 328 00:18:39,483 --> 00:18:42,363 ..and to assure you that I have changed. 329 00:18:43,723 --> 00:18:46,843 You and the boys have changed me, Maria. 330 00:18:48,203 --> 00:18:49,963 I'm not that man any more. 331 00:18:54,163 --> 00:18:56,523 Thank you for finally being honest with me, Pete. 332 00:18:57,963 --> 00:19:00,203 I appreciate that. I really do. 333 00:19:00,403 --> 00:19:04,643 And I accept you never meant to do any harm. 334 00:19:04,843 --> 00:19:07,683 I don't think you ever set out to harm. 335 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,003 But let's just be clear... 336 00:19:13,683 --> 00:19:16,083 ..you only told me because I made you. 337 00:19:18,243 --> 00:19:22,163 And you are deluded if you think this ushers in 338 00:19:22,323 --> 00:19:24,283 some new chapter in our lives. 339 00:19:24,483 --> 00:19:26,643 Maz... And more importantly, 340 00:19:26,683 --> 00:19:30,963 if you think I will allow my children 341 00:19:31,123 --> 00:19:33,243 to be brought up by a man like you, 342 00:19:33,403 --> 00:19:36,963 who steals from the disabled 343 00:19:37,123 --> 00:19:38,603 and from old men... 344 00:19:40,603 --> 00:19:42,363 ..and worse. 345 00:19:42,563 --> 00:19:46,403 A man who's been lying to himself for so many years, 346 00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:49,203 he doesn't even know what the truth is any more. 347 00:19:50,443 --> 00:19:54,003 I think you could have killed that poor girl... 348 00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:59,443 ..and you could still sit here opposite me 349 00:19:59,603 --> 00:20:01,923 swearing it wasn't you, 350 00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:04,363 and actually believe it yourself. 351 00:20:04,523 --> 00:20:07,323 Maria, I did not kill her. 352 00:20:08,803 --> 00:20:10,323 It's finished, Pete. 353 00:20:14,003 --> 00:20:15,363 Maria... 354 00:20:15,523 --> 00:20:17,323 Get your fucking hand off me! 355 00:20:17,523 --> 00:20:18,963 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. 356 00:20:19,003 --> 00:20:20,243 I'm sorry. 357 00:20:42,843 --> 00:20:44,283 I'm not saying that. 358 00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:46,243 You literally just did. 359 00:20:46,403 --> 00:20:49,003 What I said was you've been... 360 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,643 ..forgetting lots of things recently. 361 00:20:53,803 --> 00:20:55,923 And why not have a test, 362 00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:57,363 put your mind at rest? 363 00:20:57,523 --> 00:20:59,363 My mind is at rest. 364 00:20:59,523 --> 00:21:00,643 OK, mine, then. 365 00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:03,003 Because it's not that relaxing wondering if... 366 00:21:03,043 --> 00:21:05,283 ..if today's the day you're going to burn the house down. 367 00:21:06,963 --> 00:21:08,483 Sorry, I meant... 368 00:21:10,483 --> 00:21:13,443 I think you need to take a bit of a look at yourself, Cass. 369 00:21:13,643 --> 00:21:16,123 Oh, really, is that a dad lecture coming up, is it? 370 00:21:16,323 --> 00:21:18,843 Well, you clearly don't want me to be with Jenny. Not true. 371 00:21:19,043 --> 00:21:21,883 You clearly think she's trying to fleece me. Er, a little bit. 372 00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:25,243 And I'm guessing suggesting that I have dementia 373 00:21:25,443 --> 00:21:27,883 is just another way of trying to scupper the relationship. 374 00:21:28,043 --> 00:21:30,363 But actually... the problem is you. 375 00:21:30,523 --> 00:21:32,723 Is it? How's that, then? 376 00:21:32,923 --> 00:21:35,843 Well, you don't want me to leave, my love, because you're lonely. 377 00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:37,843 And I understand that. I really do. 378 00:21:38,003 --> 00:21:40,123 But I probably am going. 379 00:21:41,403 --> 00:21:43,203 And I probably am going to marry her. 380 00:21:43,363 --> 00:21:44,363 Hm... 381 00:21:46,163 --> 00:21:48,043 And you need to accept that. 382 00:21:55,963 --> 00:21:59,163 And of course Robert, the central male character of your first novel, 383 00:21:59,363 --> 00:22:02,523 was a working-class grammar school boy, 384 00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:04,643 who became a very successful journalist. 385 00:22:04,843 --> 00:22:07,003 This felt like a very personal story. 386 00:22:08,243 --> 00:22:09,843 Well, er... 387 00:22:10,043 --> 00:22:12,483 ..the pain that the character of Annie goes through, 388 00:22:12,683 --> 00:22:15,363 as she discovers her husband has been serially unfaithful, 389 00:22:15,563 --> 00:22:18,203 was something I did feel I understood. 390 00:22:19,723 --> 00:22:21,883 But what I wanted to try and explore, 391 00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:23,723 through his multiple liaisons, 392 00:22:23,883 --> 00:22:25,763 was what it was in the male psyche 393 00:22:25,963 --> 00:22:30,923 that needed this constant sexual validation. 394 00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:33,003 I mean, was this, in fact, 395 00:22:33,203 --> 00:22:35,363 just a normal extension of male sexual identity 396 00:22:35,403 --> 00:22:38,483 or did it suggest something darker, 397 00:22:38,643 --> 00:22:40,563 something more aberrant? 398 00:23:08,683 --> 00:23:10,563 Who got her this? 399 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,483 We had a collection, my team. 400 00:23:13,563 --> 00:23:15,083 Obviously, you'll want to, erm... 401 00:23:16,683 --> 00:23:18,843 ..choose your own for the funeral, but... 402 00:23:20,163 --> 00:23:23,523 ..bring her here, we all wanted something nice for her. 403 00:23:23,683 --> 00:23:24,763 Thank you. 404 00:23:25,803 --> 00:23:27,243 Thank all your team, please. 405 00:23:38,883 --> 00:23:42,123 I've asked, when we bury her, for them to arrange her... 406 00:23:43,563 --> 00:23:45,723 ..her bones, properly. 407 00:23:47,243 --> 00:23:50,483 And they're not to leave her anywhere in the dark before then. 408 00:23:51,683 --> 00:23:53,363 She didn't like the dark. 409 00:24:00,883 --> 00:24:03,283 I miss you, my darling sister. 410 00:24:04,963 --> 00:24:07,083 I love you. 411 00:24:33,283 --> 00:24:37,043 I paid you your settlement, Derran, in full, 15 years ago. 412 00:24:37,243 --> 00:24:39,843 So you say. No, so the court says. 413 00:24:41,483 --> 00:24:42,923 I want the rest of it. 414 00:24:44,243 --> 00:24:45,643 Or you will regret it. 415 00:24:46,683 --> 00:24:48,603 And why will I regret it? 416 00:24:48,803 --> 00:24:51,123 Because I have evidence of what you did to me 417 00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:54,203 and I don't think you want them to see that, do you, the police? 418 00:24:54,363 --> 00:24:55,363 Not right now. 419 00:24:56,363 --> 00:24:59,483 Oh, right, so you're blackmailing me now, are you? 420 00:25:00,603 --> 00:25:02,883 I just want what you owe me. 421 00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:06,123 OK. And how much do we think that is, then? 422 00:25:07,683 --> 00:25:09,003 50,000. 423 00:25:13,043 --> 00:25:16,523 You see, if you'd pitched it a little more realistically, 424 00:25:16,723 --> 00:25:18,883 you might have got ten grand out of me, 425 00:25:18,923 --> 00:25:19,963 just to be rid of you. 426 00:25:21,483 --> 00:25:23,403 But you always were a bit dim. 427 00:25:24,923 --> 00:25:28,323 OK, go to the police, tell them what the fuck you like, 428 00:25:28,523 --> 00:25:30,483 but you're not getting anything out of me. 429 00:25:30,643 --> 00:25:32,643 And if you come back here again, 430 00:25:32,803 --> 00:25:34,403 I'll call the police for you. 431 00:25:50,963 --> 00:25:52,803 Carol, call me when you get this, please. 432 00:25:53,003 --> 00:25:54,683 I need to talk to you about something. 433 00:25:54,843 --> 00:25:56,163 It's fairly urgent. 434 00:26:04,723 --> 00:26:07,283 And when did you last speak to your father, Miss Lowe? 435 00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:10,043 The last contact I had with him was when Mum died, six years ago. 436 00:26:10,163 --> 00:26:11,683 I wrote to him via his friend Tim. 437 00:26:11,883 --> 00:26:14,043 So you haven't actually spoken since...? 438 00:26:14,203 --> 00:26:15,763 The day Mum threw him out. 439 00:26:15,923 --> 00:26:17,123 Right. 440 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,963 So, we spoke to your father 441 00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:23,123 and we spoke to his ex-business partner. 442 00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:24,523 Helen. 443 00:26:24,683 --> 00:26:25,843 Yes. 444 00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:27,443 And they both offered a slight... 445 00:26:28,683 --> 00:26:32,523 ..lack of clarity as to why he stood down from his own company 446 00:26:32,683 --> 00:26:34,803 and why the marriage then failed. 447 00:26:34,963 --> 00:26:37,403 We wondered if maybe... 448 00:26:37,563 --> 00:26:39,523 ..you could clarify anything. 449 00:26:39,683 --> 00:26:41,563 The two things were connected. 450 00:26:41,723 --> 00:26:44,123 They split because, in October 1999, 451 00:26:44,323 --> 00:26:46,483 police officers arrested him at his office 452 00:26:46,523 --> 00:26:48,523 as an early part of the Landmark case. 453 00:26:48,723 --> 00:26:51,763 Basically, he'd used his credit card to visit child abuse websites. 454 00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,603 A couple of months later, despite him begging her not to, 455 00:26:55,763 --> 00:26:57,603 Helen told Mum. 456 00:26:57,763 --> 00:26:59,163 Is that enough detail? 457 00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:01,203 Yes. 458 00:27:01,323 --> 00:27:03,083 Thank you. 459 00:27:21,638 --> 00:27:22,662 Mel! 460 00:27:22,958 --> 00:27:24,278 Why would you do that? 461 00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:26,896 Why would you go on national radio and talk about him like that? 462 00:27:26,921 --> 00:27:29,300 I think you know why. Because you're lonely and bitter? 463 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:32,358 Because you can't bear to see him happy? I've always liked you, Amy. 464 00:27:32,627 --> 00:27:34,907 I've always thought you were smart, ballsy. 465 00:27:36,214 --> 00:27:38,692 I even admire the fact that you're here right now. 466 00:27:38,717 --> 00:27:41,060 But that interview went out under 24 hours ago 467 00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:44,173 and already I have five e-mails from women I knew nothing about, 468 00:27:44,198 --> 00:27:45,748 and I knew about a lot, 469 00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:48,139 talking about his sexual tastes, 470 00:27:48,253 --> 00:27:51,693 his voracious appetite, the things he used to ask them to do. 471 00:27:52,022 --> 00:27:55,262 That stuff online about him and that poor girl scared them. 472 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,120 And it scared me. 473 00:27:57,145 --> 00:28:00,459 And I'm sorry but... it should scare you. 474 00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,998 What are you going to do with them, the e-mails? 475 00:28:04,026 --> 00:28:05,906 Send them to the police, of course. What else? 476 00:28:05,956 --> 00:28:07,623 That's why I did the interview. 477 00:28:17,398 --> 00:28:21,158 So, I've just re-checked and we have no record 478 00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:23,358 of a Christopher Lowe on our systems at all. 479 00:28:24,598 --> 00:28:25,918 Could he have changed his name? 480 00:28:26,118 --> 00:28:29,038 Well, we know his surname was Lowe because it was in the company name. 481 00:28:29,198 --> 00:28:30,998 But maybe his first name? 482 00:28:31,158 --> 00:28:33,278 OK, we'll check. In the meantime... 483 00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,758 ..Melissa Hollis forwarded these on to me. 484 00:28:36,958 --> 00:28:39,998 They're from various women James Hollis had relationships with 485 00:28:40,198 --> 00:28:43,198 whilst married to her and to his current wife. Nice. 486 00:28:43,398 --> 00:28:46,638 They detail some of his more... exotic exploits. 487 00:28:46,798 --> 00:28:49,318 A penchant for outdoor sex. 488 00:28:49,518 --> 00:28:52,878 One woman talks about a rape fantasy he asked her play out. 489 00:28:53,078 --> 00:28:55,238 Anything illegal? Not so far. 490 00:28:55,438 --> 00:28:59,038 Jake, did you manage to access Derran Finch's medical records? 491 00:28:59,198 --> 00:29:01,078 Er, yeah, I did. 492 00:29:01,278 --> 00:29:03,438 And, basically, her ex-husband was telling the truth. 493 00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:06,918 She has been treated for various mental health issues over the years. 494 00:29:07,118 --> 00:29:09,998 Though, I'm not sure if they tip over into the delusional, but... 495 00:29:10,198 --> 00:29:13,118 OK. Well, given what we've just learned about Chris Lowe, 496 00:29:13,318 --> 00:29:16,478 I think we should prioritise him right now. Let's get him down here. 497 00:29:18,518 --> 00:29:20,518 Can you tell me why you need to speak to me again? 498 00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:22,438 Because I told you everything I know. 499 00:29:22,638 --> 00:29:24,158 Some new information has come to light 500 00:29:24,318 --> 00:29:27,038 which we'd like to go over with you. What new information? 501 00:29:27,238 --> 00:29:29,518 Or I can get officers from our Bristol police station 502 00:29:29,678 --> 00:29:30,998 to arrest you and bring you down. 503 00:29:31,078 --> 00:29:33,318 You know, my friend made a complaint about your colleague 504 00:29:33,398 --> 00:29:34,918 and I just might make one about you. 505 00:29:35,078 --> 00:29:36,118 DI Sunil Khan. 506 00:29:36,318 --> 00:29:38,718 Bishop's Street Police Station. 507 00:29:38,918 --> 00:29:40,718 I can send you the right form, if you like. 508 00:29:43,158 --> 00:29:45,998 Well, I suppose I can be there by 12 tomorrow. 509 00:29:46,158 --> 00:29:47,598 See you at midday, Mr Lowe. 510 00:29:54,358 --> 00:29:57,998 Then, unfortunately, the police also then spoke to your mum, 511 00:29:58,198 --> 00:30:01,198 because she was obviously at the holiday house as well. 512 00:30:01,398 --> 00:30:03,798 As were we, having a lovely time. Indeed. 513 00:30:03,998 --> 00:30:07,438 Anyway, I don't know specifically what she might have said to them, 514 00:30:07,638 --> 00:30:09,998 although I can imagine it was fairly negative about me. 515 00:30:10,158 --> 00:30:12,398 But more importantly, 516 00:30:12,598 --> 00:30:15,518 she's now threatened to go to the police with evidence 517 00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:18,158 of some wrongdoing I've apparently committed against her... 518 00:30:20,038 --> 00:30:21,798 ..unless I give her ?50,000. 519 00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:23,158 What? No way! 520 00:30:23,358 --> 00:30:25,518 Oh, my God, that woman! Dad, I'm so sorry. 521 00:30:25,718 --> 00:30:29,318 And you really don't need this after everything else. 522 00:30:29,518 --> 00:30:32,438 I doubt very much whether she'll go through with it. 523 00:30:32,638 --> 00:30:34,798 Not least because there is nothing, but... 524 00:30:34,838 --> 00:30:37,078 Yeah, I'll be honest, it's pretty tedious. 525 00:30:38,398 --> 00:30:42,038 And I'm afraid I did rather lose my temper with her. I don't blame you. 526 00:30:42,238 --> 00:30:43,958 So she drove down today? Yeah. 527 00:30:44,158 --> 00:30:46,958 I pretty much came straight here from talking to her in my surgery. 528 00:30:47,158 --> 00:30:49,758 Jesus... And when did they first speak to you, then, the police? 529 00:30:50,878 --> 00:30:53,358 Er... Monday, I think it was. 530 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,838 Monday? 531 00:30:55,038 --> 00:30:57,478 Wow, that was three days ago. Yeah, I know. 532 00:30:57,678 --> 00:30:59,638 I should have told you before, but... 533 00:30:59,838 --> 00:31:02,318 to be honest, the whole thing only took a couple of minutes. 534 00:31:02,518 --> 00:31:04,918 And if it hadn't have been for your mother ramping things up, 535 00:31:05,118 --> 00:31:07,278 I probably would have forgotten all about it. 536 00:31:07,318 --> 00:31:10,598 And I'm sure they're speaking to hundreds of potential witnesses. 537 00:31:10,798 --> 00:31:13,398 Basically, they're speaking to anyone and everyone 538 00:31:13,598 --> 00:31:15,998 who was resident in the town that week. 539 00:31:16,198 --> 00:31:18,678 That poor girl's parents. I know. 540 00:31:18,838 --> 00:31:20,398 It's just brutal for them. 541 00:31:20,558 --> 00:31:22,398 I can't even begin to imagine. 542 00:31:23,878 --> 00:31:26,038 Right, well, I think a cup of tea is in order. 543 00:31:26,078 --> 00:31:27,318 Good idea. I'll help you. 544 00:31:34,398 --> 00:31:36,358 You all right, love? Yeah, yeah. All good. 545 00:31:41,598 --> 00:31:43,318 Is Jake around? 546 00:31:43,478 --> 00:31:44,998 Left already, I think. 547 00:31:45,198 --> 00:31:47,638 There's a lady downstairs, says she's Tim Finch's ex-wife 548 00:31:47,838 --> 00:31:50,078 and has some photos she would like to show him. 549 00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:52,478 Guv... 550 00:31:52,638 --> 00:31:54,438 And when were these taken? 551 00:31:55,598 --> 00:31:57,478 Mid-to late-'90s. 552 00:31:57,638 --> 00:31:59,318 And who took them? 553 00:31:59,478 --> 00:32:01,638 My friend Keera. 554 00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,518 She used to live a few doors down from us. 555 00:32:03,638 --> 00:32:05,598 Can we speak to Keera? 556 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:07,878 She died in 2003. 557 00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:08,918 Right. 558 00:32:09,118 --> 00:32:11,598 And she never suggested you speak to the police at the time? 559 00:32:11,798 --> 00:32:14,998 She did, but she also knew how scared I was of him... 560 00:32:16,038 --> 00:32:17,998 ..of what he might do if I did, 561 00:32:18,198 --> 00:32:20,358 so she knew it had to be my decision. 562 00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:22,358 Did you ever speak to a doctor about the injuries? 563 00:32:22,478 --> 00:32:23,998 I was too scared he'd find out. 564 00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:27,718 I have to say, Mrs Finch, 565 00:32:27,918 --> 00:32:30,558 we can't really see your face in these pictures 566 00:32:30,758 --> 00:32:34,998 and it could be quite hard to prove that this is actually you 567 00:32:35,158 --> 00:32:36,758 from over 20 years ago. 568 00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:40,758 Who else would it be? 569 00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:41,998 Well, I don't know, but.... 570 00:32:42,118 --> 00:32:44,438 Why else would I drive all the way down here? 571 00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,038 I have nothing to gain from doing this. 572 00:32:49,078 --> 00:32:52,438 I just want to help you catch that poor little girl's killer. 573 00:32:54,398 --> 00:32:57,438 And I want you to understand what he is capable of. 574 00:33:00,958 --> 00:33:02,638 What do you think? 575 00:33:03,838 --> 00:33:07,398 I think this was a house fucking full of secrets and lies. 576 00:33:08,998 --> 00:33:11,318 And I think it might be worth speaking to the kids 577 00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:13,878 to see what their experience of this marriage was. 578 00:33:15,398 --> 00:33:17,718 Maybe check his professional history. 579 00:33:18,798 --> 00:33:21,198 And then I think I want to sleep for a year. 580 00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:28,878 I have never lied to you, Amy. 581 00:33:29,078 --> 00:33:31,998 I always told you there would be other women that I.... 582 00:33:32,198 --> 00:33:34,558 Oh, come on, don't get coy now, other women that you fucked. 583 00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:35,918 But only one I loved. 584 00:33:37,158 --> 00:33:39,558 And liking a shag in the woods doesn't make me a murderer. 585 00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:42,038 DOORBELL RINGS Jesus! 586 00:33:43,278 --> 00:33:44,838 These journalists...! 587 00:33:49,598 --> 00:33:51,278 Pete! She's kicked me out, Jamie. 588 00:33:51,438 --> 00:33:52,718 Can I kip at yours for a bit? 589 00:33:55,758 --> 00:33:57,478 I'm sorry you feel let down, mate, 590 00:33:57,678 --> 00:33:59,838 but I have issues of my own at the moment 591 00:33:59,878 --> 00:34:01,878 and I need to spend some time alone with Amy. 592 00:34:02,038 --> 00:34:03,438 Mate, I've nowhere to stay tonight. 593 00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:05,278 Then find a hotel, like a normal person. 594 00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:08,358 With what? I gave you three grand two days ago. 595 00:34:08,518 --> 00:34:10,118 Nice. 596 00:34:10,278 --> 00:34:11,758 Just throw that back in my face. 597 00:34:11,958 --> 00:34:13,558 I'm not throwing it back in your face. 598 00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:15,558 I'm just reminding you that I have helped you 599 00:34:15,718 --> 00:34:17,398 innumerable times over the years, 600 00:34:17,598 --> 00:34:19,758 and the one time I say no, you get arsy. 601 00:34:19,798 --> 00:34:20,998 Grow up. 602 00:34:21,158 --> 00:34:22,318 Fine. 603 00:34:25,678 --> 00:34:28,278 You might just want to consider something, though. 604 00:34:30,438 --> 00:34:31,838 I know stuff, Jamie, 605 00:34:31,998 --> 00:34:34,438 about your boy that night. 606 00:34:34,598 --> 00:34:36,238 Stuff I've never mentioned before. 607 00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:39,438 You might just want to bear that in mind. 608 00:34:42,398 --> 00:34:44,518 Get the fuck out of my house. 609 00:35:06,758 --> 00:35:07,758 Oh... 610 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,315 Well, call data records show that James Hollis rang Tim Finch 611 00:35:28,391 --> 00:35:30,588 about an hour after we interviewed him. Oh, OK. 612 00:35:30,659 --> 00:35:33,591 And he also spoke to Pete Carr, but not to Chris Lowe. 613 00:35:33,704 --> 00:35:36,502 Interesting. Did any of the others ring Lowe? 614 00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:39,252 No, but Lowe rang Finch just after I called him yesterday. 615 00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:42,369 But the call length suggested it went straight to voice mail. 616 00:35:42,534 --> 00:35:46,551 So the most vulnerable of the four is left the most isolated. 617 00:35:46,578 --> 00:35:48,104 Which might be coincidence. 618 00:35:48,129 --> 00:35:49,980 Yeah, or it might not be. Yeah. 619 00:35:50,232 --> 00:35:52,130 Dr Finch, it turns out, has just been involved 620 00:35:52,184 --> 00:35:54,351 in a professional misconduct case. 621 00:35:54,385 --> 00:35:56,625 I mean, I should point out he was completely exonerated. 622 00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:58,236 But the allegation was, 623 00:35:58,511 --> 00:36:00,911 "He was verbally abusive to an elderly patient," 624 00:36:01,111 --> 00:36:03,951 "including an alleged threat to overdose her on morphine." 625 00:36:04,111 --> 00:36:05,351 Wow. 626 00:36:08,185 --> 00:36:09,665 Violent to her? 627 00:36:09,994 --> 00:36:11,283 Jesus, God, no! 628 00:36:11,345 --> 00:36:13,861 No, we never saw any evidence of that. 629 00:36:14,111 --> 00:36:17,671 I mean, Em was 11, I was 9 when they separated. 630 00:36:17,696 --> 00:36:20,111 So we weren't babies. If there'd been anything like that, 631 00:36:20,137 --> 00:36:21,999 we'd have had some sense of it. I know we would. 632 00:36:22,024 --> 00:36:23,368 But we just didn't, did we? 633 00:36:23,393 --> 00:36:26,221 Although you, erm, said earlier... 634 00:36:27,031 --> 00:36:31,408 ..you were both at boarding school from 7 till 18. 635 00:36:32,036 --> 00:36:34,196 Yeah, but we were home holidays, lots of weekends. 636 00:36:34,221 --> 00:36:36,631 We saw a lot of our parents. We know who our father is. 637 00:36:36,671 --> 00:36:39,831 That's not a violent man. Not to our mother. Not to anyone. 638 00:36:40,456 --> 00:36:41,496 So... 639 00:36:42,699 --> 00:36:44,228 ..you think these are fake? 640 00:36:45,961 --> 00:36:48,601 Fake or make-up or whatever. 641 00:36:48,658 --> 00:36:49,818 I don't... 642 00:36:49,893 --> 00:36:51,911 I don't really know or care. 643 00:36:52,111 --> 00:36:54,111 What I do know, and I very much doubt she told you, 644 00:36:54,207 --> 00:36:57,017 is that she tried to get Dad to give her 50,000 quid for them. 645 00:36:58,674 --> 00:36:59,736 Right. 646 00:36:59,987 --> 00:37:01,956 Sorry, when was this? Yesterday. 647 00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:04,994 I mean, he refused, of course. Right. 648 00:37:05,049 --> 00:37:07,471 Look, our father is not a saint. 649 00:37:07,631 --> 00:37:09,231 He can be controlling 650 00:37:09,431 --> 00:37:11,588 and he certainly likes to get his own way, 651 00:37:11,643 --> 00:37:14,711 but everything you're implying to do with the Hayley Reid case is... 652 00:37:15,011 --> 00:37:16,531 It's just not possible. 653 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:21,479 Thank you. 654 00:37:24,351 --> 00:37:26,311 50 grand...! 655 00:37:26,471 --> 00:37:27,471 Yeah. 656 00:37:28,751 --> 00:37:30,471 Odd the other sister hardly said a word. 657 00:37:30,631 --> 00:37:32,631 Yeah, I clocked that. 658 00:37:32,831 --> 00:37:35,591 Bottom line, I suspect Derran Finch is a bit bonkers, but... 659 00:37:37,151 --> 00:37:39,551 ..bonkers people tell the truth as well. 660 00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,991 Sunny, what time's Lowe here? 661 00:37:56,311 --> 00:37:57,591 He should be here now. 662 00:38:01,631 --> 00:38:02,831 Oh, no... 663 00:38:04,511 --> 00:38:05,591 Shit! 664 00:38:06,751 --> 00:38:07,831 Shit! Shit! 665 00:38:07,991 --> 00:38:09,351 What? 666 00:38:09,551 --> 00:38:11,551 Obviously, I went straight back to the cafe, 667 00:38:11,711 --> 00:38:13,151 but they'd had nothing handed in. 668 00:38:13,311 --> 00:38:14,631 I'm so sorry, sir. 669 00:38:14,831 --> 00:38:17,191 So, whose file? Pete Carr's. 670 00:38:18,271 --> 00:38:19,911 Any sensitive stuff inside? 671 00:38:21,231 --> 00:38:22,711 Lots. 672 00:38:59,231 --> 00:39:02,391 I feel like I'm slightly losing the plot. Don't be daft. 673 00:39:02,551 --> 00:39:04,551 My dad, these files... 674 00:39:04,711 --> 00:39:06,831 They'll turn up. It'll be fine. 675 00:39:06,871 --> 00:39:09,071 You're just tired. It just makes everything seem worse. 676 00:39:11,511 --> 00:39:13,671 Come on, then, let's do Chris Lowe. Ah... 677 00:39:14,631 --> 00:39:16,031 He didn't turn up. 678 00:39:16,191 --> 00:39:17,351 Right. 679 00:39:17,551 --> 00:39:18,951 Did he call? No. 680 00:39:19,151 --> 00:39:21,671 Nothing. I left a message on his mobile, 681 00:39:21,831 --> 00:39:23,311 left it at his work, nothing. 682 00:39:23,511 --> 00:39:25,831 Boss? Have you got two minutes? Sure, yeah. What's up? 683 00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,687 Er, I was doing a bit of a dig on Hollis, following the e-mails. Yep. 684 00:39:28,711 --> 00:39:30,671 I've found something I think we've all missed. 685 00:39:32,511 --> 00:39:33,911 OK. 686 00:39:34,111 --> 00:39:37,391 So the way the fathers all spoke about the kids, 687 00:39:37,551 --> 00:39:39,111 kind of days out and bedtimes, 688 00:39:39,311 --> 00:39:41,671 I think we just assumed they were all little ones. 689 00:39:41,831 --> 00:39:43,631 And three of the four were. 690 00:39:43,831 --> 00:39:47,071 Emma Finch was ten, her sister was eight and Maya Lowe was six. 691 00:39:47,271 --> 00:39:49,711 But Eliot Hollis, it turns out he was about to turn 16. 692 00:39:49,871 --> 00:39:52,711 And 16 with some issues. 693 00:39:52,871 --> 00:39:54,551 Two arrests already for possession. 694 00:39:54,711 --> 00:39:56,391 One for drunk and disorderly. 695 00:39:56,551 --> 00:39:58,191 And this is a real stinger... 696 00:39:58,351 --> 00:40:01,631 Erm, one for stealing his dad's car 697 00:40:01,791 --> 00:40:03,911 a month before the Millennium. 698 00:40:03,951 --> 00:40:05,551 Call the father back in now. 699 00:40:29,711 --> 00:40:31,311 Hey, Mark. 700 00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:32,791 Where are you? 701 00:40:32,951 --> 00:40:34,631 Yeah, erm... on my way in. 702 00:40:34,791 --> 00:40:36,671 Sorry, I was chasing down a... 703 00:40:36,871 --> 00:40:39,271 I've had all your stuff boxed up. I'll leave it at reception. 704 00:40:40,471 --> 00:40:41,951 Sorry? 705 00:40:42,151 --> 00:40:45,111 You stole from the disabled, never mind the Hayley Reid connections. 706 00:40:45,311 --> 00:40:46,991 I don't want you anywhere near my business. 707 00:40:47,071 --> 00:40:48,431 Mark, listen to me. 708 00:40:48,591 --> 00:40:50,191 No matter what Maria's told you... 709 00:40:50,351 --> 00:40:51,751 Maria hasn't told me anything. 710 00:40:51,911 --> 00:40:53,311 Have you not been online? 711 00:40:53,471 --> 00:40:55,151 Online? 712 00:40:55,311 --> 00:40:56,631 No, why? 713 00:40:57,791 --> 00:40:58,991 Google your name. 714 00:41:15,751 --> 00:41:18,831 Jesus, there's one site here that's found a photo of him. 715 00:41:21,911 --> 00:41:23,711 OK, I need to make a statement. 716 00:41:23,911 --> 00:41:26,591 And we need to shut these websites down fast. 717 00:41:26,791 --> 00:41:28,271 The press are going to slaughter us. 718 00:41:28,471 --> 00:41:31,151 If you need to take me off the case, I'll understand completely. 719 00:41:31,351 --> 00:41:36,271 For the record, I very much want to stay and make good my mistake. 720 00:41:37,631 --> 00:41:39,511 I need to find Pete Carr. 721 00:41:44,431 --> 00:41:47,431 I didn't do it, Tim. I want you to know that. 722 00:41:47,631 --> 00:41:49,311 Pete, you really don't need to convince me. 723 00:41:49,471 --> 00:41:50,951 I've made mistakes. 724 00:41:51,151 --> 00:41:53,311 I've done some pretty shabby things, I'll accept that. 725 00:41:53,351 --> 00:41:55,191 But I'd never hurt anyone. 726 00:41:55,391 --> 00:41:57,551 I never even saw Hayley Reid that night. 727 00:41:57,711 --> 00:41:59,151 Yeah, I believe you. 728 00:41:59,311 --> 00:42:00,991 Well, the police clearly don't. 729 00:42:01,191 --> 00:42:03,831 And I'm not sure they believe a word I say now. 730 00:42:04,031 --> 00:42:07,151 So I want to tell you something and I want you to tell the police. 731 00:42:08,671 --> 00:42:12,271 OK, but I'm not sure they want to speak to me again. But if they do... 732 00:42:12,431 --> 00:42:15,151 It's about Jamie's boy Eliot. 733 00:42:15,311 --> 00:42:17,551 About something I saw that night. 734 00:42:48,351 --> 00:42:50,271 Have you tried the arts centre? 735 00:42:50,471 --> 00:42:52,791 Yeah, but they said that he wouldn't be in today. 736 00:42:52,991 --> 00:42:55,351 Right, well, that's where he told me he was going. OK. 737 00:42:55,511 --> 00:42:56,991 Well, I'll try his mobile again. 738 00:42:57,151 --> 00:42:58,431 Is he in trouble? 739 00:42:58,631 --> 00:43:00,271 I can't tell you any more, I'm afraid. 740 00:43:02,711 --> 00:43:04,431 He's a very vulnerable man, DI Khan. 741 00:43:04,591 --> 00:43:06,431 Tell me if I should be worried. 742 00:43:08,311 --> 00:43:09,831 You have a son, I think. 743 00:43:10,951 --> 00:43:12,271 Er, yes. 744 00:43:12,431 --> 00:43:13,511 Asif. 745 00:43:13,711 --> 00:43:16,471 Jamila, is there anywhere that you and Asif can go and stay 746 00:43:16,671 --> 00:43:19,551 for the next few days that Christopher doesn't know about? 747 00:43:26,511 --> 00:43:28,671 On behalf of the Metropolitan Police, 748 00:43:28,711 --> 00:43:32,271 I wish to apologise to Mr Carr and his family 749 00:43:32,431 --> 00:43:35,351 and indeed to Hayley Reid's family 750 00:43:35,551 --> 00:43:39,751 for any distress that has been caused by my mistake. 751 00:43:41,431 --> 00:43:44,831 I wish to reiterate that no arrests have been made. 752 00:43:45,951 --> 00:43:48,391 No-one has been charged with anything. 753 00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:51,031 And that Mr Carr is just one of many people 754 00:43:51,231 --> 00:43:53,431 who are helping us with our enquiries. 755 00:43:53,591 --> 00:43:55,551 I would like to remind people 756 00:43:55,751 --> 00:43:59,271 that publication of these documents online is illegal... 757 00:44:00,711 --> 00:44:03,471 ..and we will take action against anyone who does so. 758 00:44:04,671 --> 00:44:07,311 I would also remind members of the public 759 00:44:07,346 --> 00:44:11,146 that we will be seeking prosecution for any online activity 760 00:44:11,268 --> 00:44:14,388 that seeks to incite violence against Mr Carr. 761 00:44:16,052 --> 00:44:20,252 And lastly, I would urge whoever found this document 762 00:44:20,331 --> 00:44:22,349 to take it to their nearest police station 763 00:44:22,471 --> 00:44:24,391 and hand it in as soon as possible. 764 00:44:24,551 --> 00:44:26,271 Thank you. 765 00:44:26,796 --> 00:44:27,871 Peter Carr? 766 00:44:28,031 --> 00:44:29,151 Urgh! 58407

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