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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:31,614 Well, the good thing about the '80s is that there was such a cornucopia of great horror 2 00:00:31,948 --> 00:00:32,865 films that I remember. 3 00:00:33,199 --> 00:00:33,616 The Shining. 4 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,867 Pet Sematary. 5 00:00:35,243 --> 00:00:35,993 The Halloween movies. 6 00:00:36,285 --> 00:00:37,286 A Nightmare on Elm Street. 7 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:37,954 The Thing. 8 00:00:38,246 --> 00:00:38,871 Child's Play. 9 00:00:39,205 --> 00:00:40,373 Elvira: Mistress of the Dark. 10 00:00:40,706 --> 00:00:41,165 XTRO. 11 00:00:41,457 --> 00:00:42,166 The Company of Wolves. 12 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:42,917 Cub. 13 00:00:43,209 --> 00:00:44,168 Jaws 3 in 3-D. 14 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:45,044 The Howling. 15 00:00:45,336 --> 00:00:45,878 The Hunger. 16 00:00:46,212 --> 00:00:46,671 Basket Case. 17 00:00:47,004 --> 00:00:47,505 Maniac. 18 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:48,631 The Lost Boys. 19 00:00:49,006 --> 00:00:49,549 Near Dark. 20 00:00:49,924 --> 00:00:50,591 Friday the 13th. 21 00:00:51,008 --> 00:00:51,342 Evil Dead. 22 00:00:51,634 --> 00:00:52,093 Evil Dead 2. 23 00:00:52,468 --> 00:00:53,052 The Return of the Living Dead. 24 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:53,970 Day of the Dead. 25 00:00:54,303 --> 00:00:54,554 Poltergeist. 26 00:00:54,887 --> 00:00:55,596 An American Werewolf in London. 27 00:00:56,013 --> 00:00:56,639 Monster Squad. 28 00:00:56,973 --> 00:00:57,223 The Fly. 29 00:00:57,515 --> 00:00:57,974 Hellraiser. 30 00:00:58,266 --> 00:00:58,933 The Changeling. 31 00:00:59,225 --> 00:00:59,684 Re-Animator. 32 00:00:59,976 --> 00:01:00,560 Sleepaway Camp. 33 00:01:01,102 --> 00:01:02,853 Pumpkinhead and Friday 13th Part 4. 34 00:01:04,146 --> 00:01:08,192 In the '60s and '70s, horror was looked down on. 35 00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:12,363 The Hollywood community has always looked at it as the redheaded stepchild. 36 00:01:12,822 --> 00:01:17,076 There was a huge blossoming of creative energy. 37 00:01:17,368 --> 00:01:21,247 The '80s had a lot of really good horror films made. 38 00:01:21,956 --> 00:01:24,542 It's a time of such artistic freedom that you could make anything. 39 00:01:24,834 --> 00:01:26,460 It was a free-for-all for concepts. 40 00:01:26,794 --> 00:01:30,172 Visual effects got incredibly elaborate in the '80s. 41 00:01:30,464 --> 00:01:34,176 There was this strange sort of rebellious nature. 42 00:01:34,468 --> 00:01:39,098 It started to be normal to have really kick-ass women in great parts. 43 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:43,477 We were getting creature movies, we were getting vampire movies, we were getting more slasher movies. 44 00:01:43,811 --> 00:01:46,063 Everybody realized that horror could be fun. 45 00:01:46,355 --> 00:01:47,648 Like the lid was off man. 46 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:52,194 Like you could do and say and create whatever you wanted. 47 00:01:52,695 --> 00:01:55,448 We would just like completely nerd out about all this stuff. 48 00:01:55,781 --> 00:01:58,534 It might have been cheesy but it was also like holy crap. 49 00:01:58,909 --> 00:02:01,912 We have such sights to show you. 50 00:02:50,169 --> 00:02:54,382 I think every single person on this Earth has a little bit of darkness in them. 51 00:02:54,757 --> 00:02:59,678 A horror film is a good avenue to really let some of those feelings out. 52 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:03,808 Being confronted with your fears in a movie is so safe. 53 00:03:04,225 --> 00:03:06,435 Like the old cliché about the roller coaster. 54 00:03:06,811 --> 00:03:10,523 You get on, you're terrified, you know you're not going to die, you get off, you went through 55 00:03:10,815 --> 00:03:15,194 something that you can share with your buddies or your girlfriend or whomever and say 56 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:16,946 "Wow, we did that." 57 00:03:17,571 --> 00:03:24,161 But there's also the confrontation of psychological fears and most of us particularly as our hair 58 00:03:24,453 --> 00:03:28,416 grays, the fear is more about mortality than it is about anything else. 59 00:03:29,083 --> 00:03:32,795 Why do we make up horror when we have so much horror in the real world? 60 00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:36,590 And I think it's because it's a coping mechanism for a lot of people. 61 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:41,303 People love to watch horror because it's a way of sublimating their own fears. 62 00:03:41,637 --> 00:03:46,308 Even though as a kid I couldn't watch them, I was too afraid but there's something of 63 00:03:46,851 --> 00:03:48,227 I'm glad that's not me. 64 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:53,274 They can enjoy someone else doing it and get a little bit of a release. 65 00:03:53,649 --> 00:03:56,652 In everyone when they're watching a horror movie likes to think of what they would do 66 00:03:56,986 --> 00:03:57,862 in that situation. 67 00:03:58,279 --> 00:04:01,157 That's why you always have the stereotype of people yelling at the screen of like, "Don't 68 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:04,869 go in there, don't go up the stairs"and it's so fun to watch that and think about 69 00:04:05,202 --> 00:04:07,204 would I survive this horror movie?" 70 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:12,251 The greatest war between good and evil always takes place within our own souls. 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,881 Horror tries to resolve that, tries to contend with that. 72 00:04:17,339 --> 00:04:19,300 That's what all those stories are about. 73 00:04:19,967 --> 00:04:21,260 It's classic mythology. 74 00:04:22,136 --> 00:04:26,599 One of the reasons I think horror movies appeal to a younger audience, there's a sense of 75 00:04:27,016 --> 00:04:27,725 immortality. 76 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,730 They don't think about life or death and so the body being rent asunder is more entertaining 77 00:04:33,022 --> 00:04:34,273 than it is personal. 78 00:04:34,690 --> 00:04:40,279 I think the more painful and the more genuine the fears are that are confronted in horror 79 00:04:40,571 --> 00:04:46,535 movies the more therapeutic and more deeply enriching the experience can be. 80 00:04:51,832 --> 00:04:55,336 So much stuff going on in the '80s - mind blowing when you think back of you know, 81 00:04:55,753 --> 00:04:56,629 how much stuff there was. 82 00:04:57,379 --> 00:05:05,471 Movies or music or radio or we started the MTV generation which led to a million other things 83 00:05:05,763 --> 00:05:09,767 that influenced movies and influenced television and influenced more music. 84 00:05:10,142 --> 00:05:12,019 MTV was the hottest thing on Earth. 85 00:05:12,394 --> 00:05:13,938 You just had it on all the time. 86 00:05:19,026 --> 00:05:24,532 You know Cyndi Lauper of course, Torn Petty and Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen. 87 00:05:25,366 --> 00:05:26,826 I knew the words to everything. 88 00:05:27,952 --> 00:05:31,205 The top 4O stuff was off the chain. 89 00:05:31,580 --> 00:05:33,415 I mean it was hit, after hit, after hit. 90 00:05:33,874 --> 00:05:35,709 Great group after great group. 91 00:05:36,168 --> 00:05:38,379 And there was a lot of good metal music in the '80s. 92 00:05:38,712 --> 00:05:40,798 You know Metallica and Ozzy. 93 00:05:42,508 --> 00:05:48,973 Really saccharine Olivia Newton-John, romantic ballads on the one hand and you had punk 94 00:05:49,515 --> 00:05:50,182 on the other hand. 95 00:05:50,599 --> 00:05:52,643 We had slicker action heroes. 96 00:05:53,561 --> 00:05:55,646 A lot of '80s hair going on. 97 00:05:56,021 --> 00:05:59,066 It was a lot like Mel Gibson's hair in Lethal Weapon. 98 00:05:59,692 --> 00:06:00,734 Not sure I liked it. 99 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:02,361 Mullet. 100 00:06:03,028 --> 00:06:04,613 Yeah, it wasn't pretty. 101 00:06:05,072 --> 00:06:07,408 We all had this big huge hair and Aqua Net. 102 00:06:07,825 --> 00:06:08,951 The hair was beyond teased. 103 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:10,244 It was bullied. 104 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:15,541 I remember Jane Fonda Workout watching people walk down the street in workout outfits 105 00:06:15,916 --> 00:06:19,044 which to me was like completely bizarre. 106 00:06:19,503 --> 00:06:23,674 Big hair, big shoulder pads and cocaine. 107 00:06:24,049 --> 00:06:25,426 Lots of cocaine. 108 00:06:26,093 --> 00:06:28,429 Maybe Ronald Reagan inspired all the horror. 109 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:35,269 You had the fuddy-duddy sort of older generation saying no we let the kids play long enough 110 00:06:35,644 --> 00:06:37,771 at the wheel and now we're going to take the wheel back over. 111 00:06:38,105 --> 00:06:39,315 And that was really the Reagan era. 112 00:06:39,607 --> 00:06:42,026 And it was a very oppressive and dark time. 113 00:06:43,652 --> 00:06:48,115 It was hard to be gay in that era, it was hard to state certain political views in that period. 114 00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:51,827 Because the '80s were an era of excess in every conceivable way. 115 00:06:52,328 --> 00:06:55,789 Drugs, disco, sex, the tragedy of the AIDS epidemic. 116 00:06:56,206 --> 00:07:01,795 There were a lot of very heightened things going on in that decade and the horror movies 117 00:07:02,338 --> 00:07:03,714 were an absolute reflection of that. 118 00:07:04,089 --> 00:07:09,887 And they say there's a theory that horror thrives when there's a repressive government. 119 00:07:10,512 --> 00:07:13,474 What scares us says a lot about the society. 120 00:07:30,658 --> 00:07:33,994 After Halloween I had a deal with AVCO Embassy to make two films and 121 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:35,913 the first one turned out to be "The Fog". 122 00:07:36,246 --> 00:07:40,584 It was a ghost story conceived on a trip to England and Stonehenge. 123 00:07:41,043 --> 00:07:47,633 I said to Debra Hill, man it's really amazing here. And it's a fog bank at the time was off 124 00:07:47,967 --> 00:07:48,968 in the distance. 125 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:51,011 "I wonder what's in there?", we said. 126 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:55,099 I was gonna get hired for horror films. 127 00:07:55,557 --> 00:07:58,644 That's what was gonna happen because that's where I had a hit. 128 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:00,854 So, off we went. 129 00:08:01,355 --> 00:08:04,441 You know, it's kind of an old-fashioned ghost story. 130 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:07,736 It's not big, gory, scary stuff. 131 00:08:08,654 --> 00:08:11,073 The Fog was shot up in Point Reyes, California. 132 00:08:11,448 --> 00:08:12,992 It was a beautiful area. 133 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:16,036 My dear friend Adrienne Barbeau. 134 00:08:16,578 --> 00:08:22,793 She spent the entire time up in that tower and so, we were never ever on-screen together. 135 00:08:24,503 --> 00:08:25,129 Jamie Lee. 136 00:08:25,629 --> 00:08:30,926 She's hitchhiking and the first thing she says when she gets in the car is, "Are you weird?" 137 00:08:31,719 --> 00:08:32,553 Are you weird? 138 00:08:35,764 --> 00:08:39,143 And then I offer her a sip of beer and then they cut and there we are in bed. 139 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:43,564 Just like that. It's that easy because I'm smooth. 140 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:53,615 I don't think it bothered her to get on that scream queen path as long as she thought she 141 00:08:54,158 --> 00:08:56,076 might be able to get off of it. 142 00:08:56,869 --> 00:08:58,120 And she did. 143 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:02,416 The Fog has Nick Castle as the lead. 144 00:09:02,708 --> 00:09:04,084 That's the name of the character in it. 145 00:09:04,501 --> 00:09:08,922 I also remember that very fondly because as you pan across inside Adrienne's room, she's 146 00:09:09,256 --> 00:09:11,592 holding a baby and that's my son. 147 00:09:13,594 --> 00:09:18,599 The guys that come out of the fog at the end into the church, take Hal Holbrook to heaven 148 00:09:19,266 --> 00:09:20,768 or hell, somewhere. 149 00:09:22,853 --> 00:09:24,396 The seaweed dudes, did not like. 150 00:09:24,688 --> 00:09:27,066 I did not like the seaweed dudes at all. 151 00:09:27,524 --> 00:09:31,820 They look great in their own seaweedy oogy outfits. 152 00:09:34,656 --> 00:09:42,915 Big box fans and fog machines at the end of a street trying to make enough fog to look 153 00:09:43,457 --> 00:09:45,334 eerie and creepy, threatening. 154 00:09:45,751 --> 00:09:52,216 The slightest breeze took it all away and then to start over again kind of build it 155 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:54,093 up and get it going. 156 00:09:55,469 --> 00:10:03,102 That was re-vamped after we finished it as it didn't work and the script was changed. 157 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:08,816 It didn't get going quick enough somehow. 158 00:10:09,983 --> 00:10:11,944 I was (sighs)... that was a nightmare. 159 00:10:12,402 --> 00:10:14,029 I don't ever want to do that again. 160 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:27,334 In the Changeling, George C. Scott discovers something's rotten in Seattle while investigating 161 00:10:27,751 --> 00:10:30,587 the death of a young child who used to live at his creepy new mansion. 162 00:10:31,046 --> 00:10:35,592 He plays John Russell who's a composer recovering from the tragedy of losing his family and 163 00:10:35,884 --> 00:10:39,680 he actually stars opposite his real-life wife Trish van Devere as he comes to realize that 164 00:10:40,055 --> 00:10:42,766 the underage ghost wants to do more than just play. 165 00:10:43,767 --> 00:10:51,775 It's a brooding melancholy tone poem and I just really you know, I was hypnotized by that movie. 166 00:10:52,276 --> 00:10:56,321 You think its sort of a haunted house movie but it's about so much more. 167 00:10:56,822 --> 00:10:58,782 It's so interesting and deep. 168 00:10:59,241 --> 00:11:06,665 The acting in it is incredible. The house that they shot that film in is gorgeous and 169 00:11:07,166 --> 00:11:08,917 you think it's a real house but it's not. 170 00:11:09,418 --> 00:11:10,586 That was a set. 171 00:11:10,878 --> 00:11:16,717 And the exterior of that film was built over another house that was existing. 172 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:22,014 It's very mood inducing and anxiety producing the whole way through. 173 00:11:24,182 --> 00:11:27,603 There's plenty of classic ghost story chills in this one and The Changeling makes for a 174 00:11:27,936 --> 00:11:32,357 nice companion piece to Peter Straub's Ghost Story adaptation which came out the following year 175 00:11:38,238 --> 00:11:43,952 I can remember seeing John Carpenter's Halloween which unlike some sort of British horror 176 00:11:44,369 --> 00:11:47,831 you know, ghosty movie, it was very real feeling. 177 00:11:48,415 --> 00:11:50,876 I thought very well acted, extremely well shot. 178 00:11:51,418 --> 00:11:57,215 The idea that you could create a really simple story that had scary elements connected to it 179 00:11:57,758 --> 00:11:59,676 opened the door to Friday the 13th. 180 00:12:03,805 --> 00:12:08,101 A lot of people make their first horror movies because they're cheap, they don't require 181 00:12:08,435 --> 00:12:14,066 stars or anybody familiar and particularly in the 1980s all you needed was a string of 182 00:12:14,441 --> 00:12:19,404 creative kills to make a successful movie thanks to Friday the 13th in its ilk. 183 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:24,159 We didn't have a clue that it was ever going to be successful or going to be changing horror 184 00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:25,327 or anything like that. 185 00:12:25,869 --> 00:12:30,249 What we were trying to do is come up with a credible movie that would run 9O minutes 186 00:12:30,707 --> 00:12:35,587 and have sound and words coming out of people's mouths at the right time and hope that it 187 00:12:36,004 --> 00:12:36,797 worked out okay. 188 00:12:37,172 --> 00:12:38,924 That was our entire ambition. 189 00:12:39,383 --> 00:12:43,220 I think we were all flying by the seat of our pants having a good time doing this. 190 00:12:44,096 --> 00:12:45,847 My death scene was really, really fun. 191 00:12:47,891 --> 00:12:52,813 Tom Savini made the mold of my neck and when I lifted my head back like that, 192 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:55,524 you know it would open up perfectly. 193 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,864 There was the POV of the killer but you never saw the killer. 194 00:13:03,448 --> 00:13:06,868 All you knew was like wow, this person's upset. 195 00:13:07,452 --> 00:13:12,916 When the music comes in then you're seeing what the killer sees as opposed to just 196 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:14,751 a shot with the camera. 197 00:13:19,756 --> 00:13:24,386 Everybody loves the Harry Manfredini signature Friday the 13th, Ki-Ki-Ki, Ma-Ma-Ma. 198 00:13:29,099 --> 00:13:30,851 He says it's ”ki, ki, ki, ma, ma, ma... 199 00:13:31,226 --> 00:13:33,854 Because it's "Kill" and ”Mom" but I always hear "ch, ch, ch, ah, ah, ah". 200 00:13:34,271 --> 00:13:35,188 But maybe it's my hearing. 201 00:13:35,689 --> 00:13:40,235 I thought it was "ha, ha, ha, ha" but it's really"kill, kill, kill, kill." 202 00:13:40,819 --> 00:13:45,324 Ch - Ch - Ch. Ha - ha - ha. That's how I do it anyway. 203 00:13:46,616 --> 00:13:52,956 So many gory, scary moments but the one that really comes to mind is Kevin Bacon's kill. 204 00:13:53,957 --> 00:13:55,208 So sick. 205 00:13:57,502 --> 00:13:58,837 Oh, it's horrible. 206 00:13:59,504 --> 00:14:01,423 The brilliant Betsy Palmer. 207 00:14:01,798 --> 00:14:03,091 I mean she was in Mister Roberts. 208 00:14:03,425 --> 00:14:04,634 She was a very good actress. 209 00:14:05,052 --> 00:14:08,180 How in the world does she become the crazed killer? 210 00:14:11,975 --> 00:14:16,813 She smiles when she says it, meanwhile they've cut to the little Jason drowning and I'm going like 211 00:14:17,314 --> 00:14:18,774 you're crazy. 212 00:14:19,608 --> 00:14:23,070 You know you're crazy and you don't care. 213 00:14:23,779 --> 00:14:26,073 That's one scary personality. 214 00:14:29,951 --> 00:14:31,703 Shooting Friday the 13th was a piece of cake. 215 00:14:31,995 --> 00:14:36,041 A bunch of us having a great time and you know making this movie and it wasn't scary at all. 216 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:39,961 But the first time I saw it, I actually had some nightmares. 217 00:14:41,004 --> 00:14:44,633 The end scene I did not know was coming. 218 00:14:45,342 --> 00:14:52,391 Alice is in the canoe so relieved and Jason the kid he jumps out of a lake and looking 219 00:14:52,849 --> 00:14:55,060 so weird and distorted. 220 00:14:55,477 --> 00:14:58,271 Thank you Tom Savini for scaring the hell out of me. 221 00:14:59,064 --> 00:15:03,819 The fact that it became as successful as it did was mostly luck. 222 00:15:04,111 --> 00:15:06,113 Being at the right place at the right time. 223 00:15:06,571 --> 00:15:08,240 It just all came together. 224 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:14,496 It was a scary film ya know for what it was at the time but I don't think anybody thought 225 00:15:14,913 --> 00:15:17,624 there was going to be uh, I don't know what are we at? 226 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:19,334 Like 12 of these things? 227 00:15:29,803 --> 00:15:32,556 The Shining is an incredibly powerful movie. 228 00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:37,102 The reviews when it came out were absolutely terrible across the board. 229 00:15:37,727 --> 00:15:42,482 There may have been the occasional exception but it was not a well-liked movie. 230 00:15:42,983 --> 00:15:48,530 However, it connected with a young audience in such a powerful way that it became iconic. 231 00:15:49,364 --> 00:15:54,786 And I was so crashingly disappointed with it because I loved the book and it's not the book. 232 00:15:55,328 --> 00:16:00,667 It was something about Kubrick's take on that that was just so arch. 233 00:16:02,043 --> 00:16:06,006 Sometimes it takes you a few watches before you gain appreciation for something. 234 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:11,052 But it has that Kubrick quality of hypnotic fascination that you can't get away from and 235 00:16:11,344 --> 00:16:13,263 if I happen to click on it, I'm gonna watch it. 236 00:16:13,722 --> 00:16:18,768 I think The Shining is probably the best performance in any horror film, maybe ever. 237 00:16:25,901 --> 00:16:28,612 Boy, does he go off the rails in that one. 238 00:16:31,823 --> 00:16:33,783 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. 239 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:37,746 Terrifying. 240 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:42,501 Shelley Duvall looks honestly terrified and Jack Nicholson honestly looks like 241 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:43,668 he can't stand her. 242 00:16:44,085 --> 00:16:47,797 I mean to the point where I'm thinking, "Am I seeing the characters or am I seeing the actors 243 00:16:48,131 --> 00:16:49,758 on set like freaking out?" 244 00:16:50,217 --> 00:16:51,510 And that's just how good they were. 245 00:16:54,095 --> 00:16:58,058 That's always the hardest part to play is the wife who has to like make the decision, 246 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:00,018 is my husband nuts or is it just me? 247 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:04,773 And I think every woman on the face of the planet wants to give their husband the benefit 248 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:09,027 of the doubt until the very last minute when it's like ah, I got to get out of here. 249 00:17:14,157 --> 00:17:15,158 The two twins. 250 00:17:15,617 --> 00:17:16,868 I mean I'll never forget that image. 251 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,453 And the woman in the bathtub. 252 00:17:18,787 --> 00:17:22,165 That's something that was seared into my brain forever and ever and ever. 253 00:17:23,708 --> 00:17:26,211 The scene that always sticks out to me is when he's at the bar. 254 00:17:26,628 --> 00:17:29,548 He's talking and then we cut and there's actually a bartender there. 255 00:17:30,257 --> 00:17:34,177 Every line every like beat in that whole scene he just chews it up. 256 00:17:34,803 --> 00:17:37,055 It's just you can't take your eyes off him. 257 00:17:39,516 --> 00:17:45,021 I think any movie where a parent is a villain is really hard to watch. 258 00:17:45,313 --> 00:17:50,068 It really hooks into for me this feeling of trusting the men around you and how it would 259 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,114 feel to all of a sudden be scared of the person that you love. 260 00:17:55,031 --> 00:17:56,032 It's so scary. 261 00:17:58,285 --> 00:18:00,829 The big ending is out there in the maze. 262 00:18:01,496 --> 00:18:05,959 Now you look at that movie, what's missing in that sequence? It's supposed to be out in the 263 00:18:06,251 --> 00:18:09,254 freezing cold but they shot it on a soundstage. 264 00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:11,756 They didn't get any oxidation of breath. 265 00:18:12,215 --> 00:18:18,054 Kubrick is such a stickler for detail and everything's got to be just right and how 266 00:18:18,471 --> 00:18:24,686 much money does it cost doesn't matter. Let's get it right and yet no oxidation of breath. 267 00:18:28,565 --> 00:18:33,653 The Shining was promoted as a Stanley Kubrick movie, not a Stephen King movie. 268 00:18:34,112 --> 00:18:40,368 There was a long period of time when the name Stephen King was avoided by marketers because 269 00:18:40,827 --> 00:18:46,291 it identified the movie as a horror film and a horror film was still considered disposable trash. 270 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:49,085 Stephen King himself said he hated it. 271 00:18:49,377 --> 00:18:54,090 King had actually written a script for Kubrick for The Shining which Kubrick just tossed aside. 272 00:18:54,549 --> 00:19:00,221 I think it was painful to King to see this because it was such a personal book to him. 273 00:19:01,306 --> 00:19:04,267 When Kubrick turned his hand to The Shining, I think it sort of was like well, you know 274 00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:06,227 now anybody could make these pictures. 275 00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:13,401 It became a very viable genre for all budget levels which was not true before. 276 00:19:24,829 --> 00:19:30,043 Dressed to Kill was pretty obviously even though I think DePalma denies this. 277 00:19:30,418 --> 00:19:35,215 I think DePalma says he had never seen an Argento movie and that may in fact well be 278 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:38,593 the case sometimes these things just sort of seep into the consciousness. 279 00:19:39,010 --> 00:19:47,185 But it did seem like he was bringing certain aesthetic concepts of the Giallo into American 280 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:48,478 horror films. 281 00:19:48,812 --> 00:19:52,899 You know how he used the star filters first as like reflections would show up and they'd go 282 00:19:53,608 --> 00:19:59,447 "ping" and just like this sort of gliding cinematography and everything felt sort of 283 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:00,990 dreamlike. 284 00:20:03,827 --> 00:20:07,539 It has a sexual feel to it even more than most horror films. 285 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:18,341 I was really interested in the contrast between the depiction of violence and an incongruously 286 00:20:18,758 --> 00:20:20,635 beautiful presentation. 287 00:20:36,818 --> 00:20:41,030 Fade to Black starring Dennis Christopher it's a reaction to the burgeoning slasher genre. 288 00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:46,327 So, it's about a horror nerd who dresses as different classic monsters to kind of enact 289 00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:48,246 these sort of revenge murders. 290 00:20:48,538 --> 00:20:50,749 People that have wronged him throughout his life. 291 00:20:52,208 --> 00:20:54,878 It's finale takes place on top of Grauman's Chinese Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard. 292 00:20:55,378 --> 00:20:59,924 It's a very weird time capsule portrait of people living on the fringes of Los Angeles 293 00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:01,259 in 1980. 294 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:05,764 And it's a nice illustration of the horror fan as outcast which is a pretty big shadow 295 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:07,932 hanging over the '80s, I think. 296 00:21:16,524 --> 00:21:19,611 In one corner people are going to say Motel Hell is complete garbage. 297 00:21:20,028 --> 00:21:22,405 Violent, gruesome, sickening and perverse. 298 00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:27,076 In the other corner people are going to defend Motel Hell saying it's a comedy that achieves 299 00:21:27,368 --> 00:21:32,415 a kind of demented satirical genius in the way it criticizes such other sleazoid trash 300 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:34,292 as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 301 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:40,298 Genius in how they got the title because it was Motel Hello and the neon was burnt out. 302 00:21:40,965 --> 00:21:42,884 It blew my mind, I thought it was so awesome. 303 00:21:43,551 --> 00:21:47,096 Then you get into a movie that you're like wow, this is creepy and scary. 304 00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:50,266 You know, to be buried up to the neck and you're just like that got me. 305 00:21:50,767 --> 00:21:52,101 Two great villains. 306 00:21:52,602 --> 00:21:55,104 One who wore a pig head and wielded a chainsaw. 307 00:21:55,522 --> 00:21:56,815 That was really great. 308 00:21:58,441 --> 00:22:02,904 This was one of the last pictures of cowboy actor Rory Calhoun who was very skinny and 309 00:22:03,363 --> 00:22:04,906 I think probably had cancer at the time. 310 00:22:11,871 --> 00:22:13,832 That chainsaw fight at the end. 311 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:18,378 The chainsaw is the worst weapon you could ever use for any kind of fight. 312 00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:24,425 All you have to do is throw anything into the web of a chainsaw and it stops. 313 00:22:25,009 --> 00:22:28,221 So, it's about the worst weapon you could ever use. 314 00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:35,979 If you want to go to something that really catches the spirit of the '80s don't look any further. 315 00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:38,356 Also, quite a great title. 316 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:53,454 Oh, I love Maniac. 317 00:22:54,247 --> 00:22:58,418 The thing that makes Maniac a true stand apart film is the quality of the performances. 318 00:22:59,168 --> 00:23:03,214 Top-notch casting, top-notch storytelling, amazing editing. 319 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:05,508 That movie moves like fucking lightning. 320 00:23:06,050 --> 00:23:10,179 When he slows the movie down, he does it for a reason, to set you up for the next thing. 321 00:23:13,516 --> 00:23:15,476 It's a little strong for my tastes. 322 00:23:15,768 --> 00:23:18,062 It's a testament to its power. 323 00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:24,235 You have Tom Savini doing the makeup effects who had come from Vietnam and knew all about 324 00:23:24,527 --> 00:23:26,446 what bodies rent asunder looked like. 325 00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:30,742 You've got scalpings in that movie that are incredibly effective because they're so real. 326 00:23:31,242 --> 00:23:34,746 That's a very independent movie that could not get on movie screens today. 327 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:41,419 But there was a small but hungry audience for that and that's the precursor to torture 328 00:23:41,836 --> 00:23:47,800 porn that you know, Hostel came along much later and started a whole new sub-genre. 329 00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:57,852 The VHS era is hard to convey to someone who grew up in the post Napster digital era when 330 00:23:58,269 --> 00:24:00,813 everything is available by some means. 331 00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:09,155 You suddenly had access to a world of cinema beyond just your hazy memories of the Hammer 332 00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:13,117 films they played when you were a kid on Channel 11. 333 00:24:13,993 --> 00:24:18,414 It was the age of the video store and there was one on every street corner. 334 00:24:18,748 --> 00:24:23,962 You could browse forever and watch things that no normal person would ever normally 335 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:29,759 watch and this was a goldmine for young indie directors who had no budget but had a good 336 00:24:30,218 --> 00:24:31,386 imagination. 337 00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:39,560 Everybody went to the video store. 338 00:24:40,019 --> 00:24:41,229 That was the way you started your evening. 339 00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:45,483 Running down to the local rental store to see ooh what can I get away with renting without 340 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:46,985 my mom here. 341 00:24:47,527 --> 00:24:50,029 And we had the Beta versus VHS battles. 342 00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:54,617 It was like the Coke - Pepsi battle of the video tech world at the time and obviously 343 00:24:55,076 --> 00:24:57,453 VHS won out and that's what the stores had. 344 00:24:57,787 --> 00:25:00,581 There was a certain magic to the VHS tape. 345 00:25:00,915 --> 00:25:05,420 I remember the first one we rented was A Nightmare on Elm Street and Critters 346 00:25:05,878 --> 00:25:07,088 and something for my mom. 347 00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,633 And then you had the personal curation aspect. 348 00:25:10,925 --> 00:25:12,468 I could collect videos. 349 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,097 Now I could have the equivalent of albums but in film form. 350 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:21,310 Suddenly I felt a kind of ownership of the content in a way that I never had felt before. 351 00:25:21,602 --> 00:25:23,813 Nobody cares about owning movies anymore now. 352 00:25:24,439 --> 00:25:26,107 No one covets holding it. 353 00:25:26,649 --> 00:25:28,234 It's all just like in the cloud. 354 00:25:28,735 --> 00:25:35,575 Everything's through your digital device, your phone, your iPad and there's definitely 355 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,286 a certain coldness to the process. 356 00:25:45,752 --> 00:25:48,421 We were the first generation to really discover all this stuff 357 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,883 through cable which meant we got it earlier which meant it was even more 358 00:25:52,258 --> 00:25:57,722 taboo than like the earlier generations that had to kind of sneak into theaters and whatnot. 359 00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:01,017 Now all of a sudden it's being beamed into my house. 360 00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:05,813 I'm by myself for three hours because my mom works, ooh what's on Cinemax? 361 00:26:06,355 --> 00:26:07,690 What's on HBO? 362 00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:11,402 I had the benefits of cable and I had the benefits of the rental system. 363 00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,781 You had to make some decisions about what you wanted to watch that night. 364 00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:19,243 It would have everything from a Universal Picture that you know, Tobe Hooper got tapped 365 00:26:19,577 --> 00:26:21,579 to make to stuff that was shot on video. 366 00:26:22,288 --> 00:26:24,624 Like the Ripper. Tom Savini starring in the Ripper. 367 00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:26,042 We rented that and 368 00:26:26,417 --> 00:26:28,753 I thought I was gonna get a real movie and it was like shot on video. 369 00:26:29,128 --> 00:26:30,463 I couldn't believe I was watching, 370 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:35,885 like I just paid the same $3 that I would have paid for a studio release and it was Tom Savini 371 00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:38,471 running around in a shot on video thing. 372 00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:43,768 You suddenly had this great outpouring of poorly written, poorly directed, poorly acted 373 00:26:44,143 --> 00:26:46,979 films but then you would have the occasional gem. 374 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,942 Guys like Charlie Band, guys like Roger Corman found a whole new life on home video after 375 00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:52,819 the VHS explosion happened. 376 00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:57,031 Charlie Band really invented direct-to-video. 377 00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:00,076 Charlie was churning them out. 378 00:27:00,743 --> 00:27:08,709 Empire Pictures and Charlie Band at the time provided opportunity to up-and-coming talent 379 00:27:09,627 --> 00:27:10,878 to make their mark. 380 00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:18,219 They're chasing trends that the bigger guys are doing and trying to get there more quickly 381 00:27:18,678 --> 00:27:19,929 and more cheaply. 382 00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:28,563 Charles Band provided this sort of unending flow of product and some of it had real worth. 383 00:27:29,438 --> 00:27:30,398 They're cheesy. 384 00:27:30,898 --> 00:27:36,696 A lot of blood and gore bad effects and bad acting and ridiculous storylines. 385 00:27:37,071 --> 00:27:39,532 They were right up my alley and I loved them. 386 00:27:40,449 --> 00:27:46,205 A lot of fans have said to me that saw Hellraiser for the first time because they were browsing 387 00:27:46,622 --> 00:27:50,877 through the shelves of Blockbuster and they paused when they got to the image of Pinhead. 388 00:27:51,335 --> 00:27:54,714 He's making very direct eye contact with you. 389 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:58,176 What the image says is, look what I did to myself. 390 00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:00,761 Now imagine what I could do to you. 391 00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:07,018 Video cover art didn't seem that important initially and until some of these key horror 392 00:28:07,393 --> 00:28:08,853 films started appearing. 393 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:15,318 And on the base of their success then suddenly those covers became quite important. 394 00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:20,406 Obviously the brighter and the more shocking it could possibly be than the better and 395 00:28:20,781 --> 00:28:22,700 more chance of that video being picked up. 396 00:28:23,409 --> 00:28:27,205 They had to have that art there to get you to grab an unknown title as opposed to something 397 00:28:27,622 --> 00:28:29,874 you might be familiar with from its theatrical release. 398 00:28:30,374 --> 00:28:32,793 Back then you really had to go looking for stuff. 399 00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:37,465 You had to be willing to take chances and if it had a really cool poster on the front 400 00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,634 or cover art I was hooked. 401 00:28:40,843 --> 00:28:44,722 It's the staff pics that usually would pick something that would be like, you want to rent this. 402 00:28:45,139 --> 00:28:46,015 Don't rent that. 403 00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,643 You'll always be able to rent that. You want this. 404 00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:49,769 Those people knew. 405 00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:52,146 They knew what the good films were because they had access to them. 406 00:28:52,521 --> 00:28:57,985 One of my sort of Bibles of '80s horror was the poster for Terror in the Aisles because 407 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,614 the skull on the front of Terror in the Aisles was made up of all the titles of the 408 00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:03,699 names of the movies in it. 409 00:29:03,991 --> 00:29:08,120 So, I would go pick up Terror in the Aisles in the video store and I'd start to go through 410 00:29:08,537 --> 00:29:10,831 and I'd walk through and I try to find different movies. 411 00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:15,253 But it really opened me up to a lot of movies I would have never rented otherwise. 412 00:29:16,337 --> 00:29:22,426 I worked for the company that did the Halloween posters, that fabulous iconic knife going through 413 00:29:22,927 --> 00:29:24,595 the pumpkin of the jack-0'-lantern. 414 00:29:24,887 --> 00:29:27,515 That kind of said it all without saying anything. 415 00:29:27,848 --> 00:29:30,977 I thought that was a brilliant, brilliant ad campaign. 416 00:29:32,019 --> 00:29:36,482 The Nightmare on Elm Street poster features Nancy's face and she's lying in bed. 417 00:29:37,024 --> 00:29:37,984 It's a great poster. 418 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,819 I mean it's art. 419 00:29:40,194 --> 00:29:42,863 It's not a photo, like a lot of movie posters are nowadays. 420 00:29:43,155 --> 00:29:46,575 You just have like a photo of the stars and they're like in a cute position 421 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:51,664 and that photo art is now kind of dominant but back then they really commissioned someone 422 00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:53,124 to create a painting. 423 00:29:53,874 --> 00:29:58,379 Matthew Peak was able to do all of the posters for A Nightmare on Elm Street which is rare. 424 00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:02,008 There's a continuity and they're really beautiful and unique. 425 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,763 That reflects to me the high level of artistry that went into all parts of A Nightmare on Elm Street. 426 00:30:08,055 --> 00:30:10,641 Even though it was a really low budget movie. 427 00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:19,817 I have a memory of driving on Sunset Boulevard and there was a high-rise building and the 428 00:30:20,109 --> 00:30:26,282 whole side of it was the painted poster of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 like on a giant 429 00:30:26,657 --> 00:30:28,993 building. I remember being very impressed with that. 430 00:30:29,952 --> 00:30:33,748 Kit Carson, it was his idea to make a Breakfast Club parody. 431 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,418 I thought that was brilliant. I think that also 432 00:30:38,085 --> 00:30:43,924 let people know that we were not as serious as they maybe wanted Chainsaw 2 to be. 433 00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:49,722 The original poster art that Tobe wanted to go with was not going to be The Breakfast Club. 434 00:30:50,097 --> 00:30:55,436 He ended up going with The Breakfast Club to sort of trick a lot of exhibitors into 435 00:30:56,479 --> 00:31:00,274 putting it up in their displays because it looks very innocuous. 436 00:31:00,649 --> 00:31:02,360 It doesn't look like a horror movie really. 437 00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:05,279 It looks like a Halloween movie. It looks like a costume movie. 438 00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:10,993 You have to remember that advertising very seldom actually represents the movie correctly. 439 00:31:11,494 --> 00:31:14,955 Had I seen the artwork for Chopping Mall, I also would not have rented it. 440 00:31:15,956 --> 00:31:17,750 It has nothing to do with the movie. 441 00:31:18,667 --> 00:31:23,381 The gimmick with The Howling was that we wanted to position it as a normal slasher-ish kind 442 00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:27,551 of movie and not give away the fact that it had supernatural elements and werewolves. 443 00:31:28,094 --> 00:31:31,514 Eventually, they came up with what I think was a very clever poster of a clawed hand 444 00:31:31,972 --> 00:31:35,267 ripping the poster and behind it is a woman screaming. 445 00:31:35,893 --> 00:31:38,354 And in Europe for whatever reason they decided they didn't want to use the woman, they wanted 446 00:31:38,729 --> 00:31:40,439 to use a snout for the werewolf. 447 00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:45,861 So, in the British ads, it's the same ad but instead of a woman's face, it's a snout. 448 00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:52,118 You wanted to try to differentiate your product from movies that were aimed at a somewhat 449 00:31:52,576 --> 00:31:58,416 lower market and the idea was to try to vault over the expectations and be able to appeal 450 00:31:58,833 --> 00:31:59,708 to a wider audience. 451 00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:03,003 You try to get them in, through whatever means you can. 452 00:32:03,295 --> 00:32:06,715 However you have to misrepresent the movie and then by the time they've seen it 453 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:07,925 it's too late. 454 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,510 They can't get their money back. 455 00:32:24,984 --> 00:32:27,486 Well, back in the '80s the slasher films not withstanding, 456 00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,072 they weren't really ruled by trends so much. 457 00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:32,825 I mean there are a lot of people doing all different kinds of horror. 458 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:37,371 You had a lot of directors who had kind of started off in low budgets in the 70s getting 459 00:32:37,746 --> 00:32:42,543 discovered by semi majors like AVCO Embassy and being given a chance to do bigger films. 460 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,839 You had John Carpenter going from Halloween to The Fog, Escape from New York and The Thing. 461 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:49,467 You had Joe Dante going from Piranha to The Howling. 462 00:32:49,967 --> 00:32:53,220 You had David Cronenberg who went from Rabid and The Brood up to Scanners and then 463 00:32:53,637 --> 00:32:54,680 The Dead Zone. 464 00:32:55,055 --> 00:32:58,017 So, you really saw a lot of kind of star directors coming up. 465 00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:04,106 Scanners was one that I saw probably too young. 466 00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:09,278 My friend and I rented it because of course, the cover art alone. 467 00:33:09,987 --> 00:33:11,363 Michael lronside like this on the cover. 468 00:33:12,072 --> 00:33:13,532 I thought we need to see this movie. 469 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,035 Well, I didn't know what I was getting into. 470 00:33:22,458 --> 00:33:26,086 You can't talk about '80s horror and not mention the Scanners head blowing up. 471 00:33:26,754 --> 00:33:32,760 When that happens, it is so gruesome and visceral that even as a kid I was like this is the 472 00:33:33,135 --> 00:33:35,888 coolest thing I've ever seen. Obviously, this is before CGI. 473 00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:39,058 And all of a sudden homeboy with the glasses just... 474 00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:45,523 As a kid I just went... 475 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:48,234 What the... 476 00:33:48,984 --> 00:33:50,528 Cronenberg, dude. 477 00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:54,823 And just stuff is flying everywhere and I know they took a shotgun and they used, they 478 00:33:55,115 --> 00:33:58,369 filled it up with bunch of l think chicken livers or something and just shot it out. 479 00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:01,121 But oh, my goodness, did that look so real. 480 00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:10,381 That explosion is probably the shot across the bow of the old guard. 481 00:34:11,131 --> 00:34:14,552 Just basically saying, ”Okay, we'll take it from here." 482 00:34:16,011 --> 00:34:20,140 So much of those performances in Scanners work because the actor's face has to sell it. 483 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,059 So, you have Michael lronside. 484 00:34:22,518 --> 00:34:27,189 He's got to basically take all of these themes from the movie and project it through his face. 485 00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,150 It all hinges on whether or not we believe him, right? 486 00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:32,278 And he's so great at it. 487 00:34:47,209 --> 00:34:50,838 My Bloody Valentine might be my favorite slasher of 1981. 488 00:34:51,338 --> 00:34:56,844 It's just this culmination of characters whodunit and at the time especially it's unique. 489 00:34:57,428 --> 00:35:00,431 It's just the minors and Valentine's Day. 490 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,190 The interesting thing about My Bloody Valentine 491 00:35:10,649 --> 00:35:15,279 is that it was really graphic with awesome practical effects but they cut 9 minutes of them 492 00:35:15,654 --> 00:35:16,572 out of the film. 493 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,577 My favorite kill is definitely one that was cut for the theatrical release. 494 00:35:22,077 --> 00:35:26,206 It was this character named Happy, this old drunk guy at a bar who went out to visit the 495 00:35:26,498 --> 00:35:28,292 mine to inspect what was going on. 496 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:32,963 He gets a pickaxe swung up through his chin and just the effect is so gnarly and it's 497 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:35,132 one of those kills where I watched it and I'm like, 498 00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,134 "How did they even fake this?" 499 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,059 One of the things I love about this movie is how authentic it feels and part of that 500 00:35:45,351 --> 00:35:47,644 is because they shot in an actual mine underground. 501 00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:51,231 Apparently the mine owners when they found out that the movie was going to film down there 502 00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:55,778 spent a lot of time cleaning it up which is the opposite of what the film crew wanted 503 00:35:56,153 --> 00:36:00,491 so they had to re-dirty this actual mine to get the look that they want for this movie. 504 00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:05,287 Of course, it's cheesy. 505 00:36:05,662 --> 00:36:06,622 It's a slasher. 506 00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:12,378 All the tropes are there but there's something about that one that just grabs me. 507 00:36:12,836 --> 00:36:15,798 I mean, My Bloody Valentine's got a lot of heart what can I say. 508 00:36:27,434 --> 00:36:29,853 The early '80s had a shape-shifter trend. 509 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,857 Everybody's making transformation monster movies -The Howling, The Beast Within. 510 00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:34,983 All this other stuff. 511 00:36:35,317 --> 00:36:38,946 In The Howling we were trying to get away from the traditional villagers chasing the 512 00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:40,781 werewolf template. 513 00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:44,243 We wanted to actually position it as a slasher movie because they were very popular at the 514 00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,870 time and supernatural movies were kind of not. 515 00:36:47,454 --> 00:36:49,581 They were kind of considered a little old hat. 516 00:36:49,915 --> 00:36:53,752 So, in the first half hour of the picture there don't seem to be any supernatural elements at all. 517 00:36:54,169 --> 00:36:58,090 And so when we finally did introduce the werewolf angle I did it through watching 518 00:36:58,382 --> 00:37:02,261 The Wolf man on television which is a pop culture reference that audiences can immediately get. 519 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,729 That was really kind of the first time that had been done and then it eventually became 520 00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:16,024 very popular with the Scream movies to have characters who were aware of the tropes of 521 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,277 the genre. It became a sort of a genre staple. 522 00:37:18,694 --> 00:37:20,863 Joe Dante loves to put his friends in his films. 523 00:37:21,488 --> 00:37:25,242 So you can find his mentor Roger Corman, Famous Monsters icon Forrest J. Ackerman, 524 00:37:25,784 --> 00:37:30,748 Howling screenwriter John Sayles, good pal Mick Garris and his lucky charm Dick Miller. 525 00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:37,254 I remember seeing the Howling and just thinking, "Oh, finally" like somebody has created 526 00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:42,593 a werewolf and done an on-screen transformation that is just absolutely mind-blowingly great. 527 00:37:44,011 --> 00:37:47,681 We had told the studio that we can do a transformation all in one take. Which we learned for 528 00:37:48,015 --> 00:37:50,893 various reasons was impractical and also it wasn't particularly dramatic. 529 00:37:51,268 --> 00:37:53,604 We ended up shooting it conventionally with cutaways and stuff. 530 00:37:55,981 --> 00:38:02,070 The character of Eddie Quist, we finally see his full Rob Bottin assisted transformation. 531 00:38:02,696 --> 00:38:05,365 Holy shit, look what is happening to this guy. 532 00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:10,120 There's always going to be the great debate between The Howling and An American Werewolf 533 00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:14,333 in London and as amazing as the effects in American Werewolf in London are, I think at 534 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:18,378 that scene, I mean it's all very brightly lit with a lot of close-ups and 535 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:22,132 to me it's kind of a special-effects reel and not really a dramatic scene. 536 00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:27,346 And in The Howling, you have this great shadowy lighting in that scene, you have Robert Picardo's 537 00:38:27,846 --> 00:38:32,643 character who is not a victim, he wants to transform, he wants to show Dee Wallace's 538 00:38:32,976 --> 00:38:36,313 character what he really is and I think that gives it a lot of power. 539 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,401 What we didn't want to do was what had been done before but that iteration of a guy 540 00:38:41,693 --> 00:38:44,488 who has a werewolf head and the werewolf hands and a tucked in shirt 541 00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:47,324 didn't seem to be modern to us. 542 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:51,662 I was always eager to do something new and different and we tried it man and then it 543 00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:53,413 ended up photographing like a bear. 544 00:38:53,705 --> 00:38:58,252 So, we ended up using a combination of puppets and separate legs and indeed a guy in a suit 545 00:38:58,544 --> 00:39:00,754 but you had to shoot it in such a way that you didn't see his waist. 546 00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,006 We managed to pull off a pretty good illusion. 547 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:15,310 I love The Burning. 548 00:39:15,769 --> 00:39:19,606 I didn't know about it for years and then when I found out about it, I was like where 549 00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:21,108 is this been all my life? 550 00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:24,361 It's a slasher film at a camp like I need to see this film. 551 00:39:24,945 --> 00:39:28,448 Well, first of all it's got Jason Alexander and Holly Hunter in it which is just mind-blowing 552 00:39:28,824 --> 00:39:30,450 considering the careers they've had since then. 553 00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:37,666 The writing, the way the kids interacted and of course 554 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,334 Tom Savini's effects. 555 00:39:39,751 --> 00:39:42,838 I mean that whole scene when they're coming up on that raft and he just comes up 556 00:39:43,213 --> 00:39:46,133 in front of the sun and it just plunges down in the guy's neck. 557 00:39:48,427 --> 00:39:50,012 It's one of my favorite slashers. 558 00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:11,867 I love John Landis movies. In general, I just love them. 559 00:40:12,326 --> 00:40:17,372 But there's a particular movie like Animal House and An American Werewolf in London 560 00:40:17,664 --> 00:40:23,545 where he was so skilled at recreating a real environment and a real snapshot in time. 561 00:40:24,254 --> 00:40:25,839 It was totally engrossing to me. 562 00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:29,968 A perfect comedy-horror hybrid because it starts off light-hearted. 563 00:40:30,802 --> 00:40:32,554 There's sheep shit on my pack. 564 00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:37,517 It's a couple pals they're walking around and the next thing you know the one friend is eviscerated 565 00:40:37,976 --> 00:40:41,897 by a werewolf and the other one is slowly transforming into a werewolf. 566 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:52,866 Jack is a zombie corpse that keeps reappearing in front of David and it's continually becoming 567 00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,535 more and more decrepit every time it shows up. 568 00:40:55,952 --> 00:40:57,454 It's a hilarious performance. 569 00:40:59,706 --> 00:41:02,000 The makeup is just absolutely gross. 570 00:41:03,585 --> 00:41:07,881 I remember seeing his trachea and feeling like I was looking at an anatomy book. 571 00:41:09,091 --> 00:41:12,344 Jenny Agutter plays a nurse who takes in David Naughton and their love story really gives 572 00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:17,057 an added layer of heart and soul to the film. Not to mention some added scares. 573 00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:21,937 It's got certainly horrific moments in it. 574 00:41:22,479 --> 00:41:25,148 The end where he's just in the streets of London running around. 575 00:41:25,607 --> 00:41:26,650 I mean that's scary. 576 00:41:27,025 --> 00:41:28,443 And that was done so well. 577 00:41:28,735 --> 00:41:33,490 And of course, Rick Baker's werewolf transformation...you can't talk about the movie without talking about that 578 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:34,700 of course. 579 00:41:37,327 --> 00:41:40,956 Rick Baker was originally going to do Joe Dante's werewolf work in The Howling but 580 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:44,501 John Landis kept him to a promise and scooped him up at the last minute. 581 00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:48,839 If you're going to go see a werewolf movie in the '80s, you're going to see a werewolf 582 00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:51,508 become a werewolf out of a man. 583 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,266 I actually got queasy at the scene of his foot extending into a paw. 584 00:41:59,766 --> 00:42:03,603 It was all fleshy and was stretching and there was. .. nothing like that had been done before. 585 00:42:04,771 --> 00:42:07,441 It was startling to me to see that transformation. 586 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:13,071 In my mind it will always be a level that really changed the look and the appeal of '80s movies. 587 00:42:14,322 --> 00:42:17,909 It's a classic and they both came out the same year along with Full Moon High 588 00:42:18,326 --> 00:42:19,202 and Wolf en. 589 00:42:19,828 --> 00:42:22,289 I mean it was it was a lupine year. 590 00:42:36,178 --> 00:42:38,472 I thought I was making the only werewolf film. 591 00:42:38,847 --> 00:42:44,311 Except for I Was a Teenage Werewolf which had been done 2O years before in black and white 592 00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:48,023 and AIP owned it so they weren't going to sue me. 593 00:42:48,648 --> 00:42:50,734 I told them I wanted to make a comedy version of it. 594 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,656 I don't think it was what they really wanted. 595 00:42:57,115 --> 00:43:00,619 I guess if you're going to make horror movies you got to make scary horror movies. 596 00:43:01,244 --> 00:43:02,829 Funny horror movies... I don't know. 597 00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:07,083 Is the horror audience going to like this? ls anybody going to like this? 598 00:43:07,584 --> 00:43:08,960 I liked it. I had a good time. 599 00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:12,714 I got to work with Adam Arkin and his father Alan Arkin. 600 00:43:13,006 --> 00:43:14,049 Wonderful actor. 601 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,806 I told him to make the werewolf look like Henry Hull did in Werewolf of London. 602 00:43:21,431 --> 00:43:23,058 And that's what they did. It was simple. 603 00:43:23,850 --> 00:43:27,979 We had a wonderful cast of comedians and I had a good time making the picture. 604 00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:29,981 I can say it now. 605 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,744 Evil Dead scared the crap out of us. 606 00:43:43,036 --> 00:43:46,039 Sitting down to watch it, it really unnerved us. 607 00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:53,130 In the Evil Dead a very young Bruce Campbell has his first starring role. 608 00:43:57,050 --> 00:44:00,762 Campbell and Raimi were high school pals who made short films together before going all 609 00:44:01,137 --> 00:44:05,684 in on the 30-minute super 8 film Within the Woods which is kind of like the first version 610 00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,353 of Evil Dead and it was designed to attract investors. 611 00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:16,278 The effects, the practical effects, just the nastiness and just her in the basement 612 00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:20,699 it's like. .. with the trapdoor going up and down and screaming and the way they tracked the 613 00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:23,910 camera through the house. It was just so unnerving. 614 00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:30,292 I love the claymation stuff that they did with the melting bodies in there. 615 00:44:34,337 --> 00:44:38,383 Seeing Ellen Sandweiss get like essentially raped by tree branches. 616 00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:46,808 That's a fairly clear analogy of that idea of nature itself being a malevolent force. 617 00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:52,856 The sincerity of it is impossible to fake because this was just a bunch of kids going 618 00:44:53,273 --> 00:44:56,610 out to a cabin in Tennessee and filming what they could with no budget. 619 00:44:59,070 --> 00:45:03,033 They were doing things that you didn't think were possible on such a low budget. 620 00:45:03,366 --> 00:45:04,451 I mean they were so creative. 621 00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:08,496 The most interesting thing about Evil Dead is it came out after the invention of the 622 00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:12,500 Steadicam but they couldn't afford a Steadicam and so all those shots running through the 623 00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:17,213 woods they just strapped a camera to a couple of two by fours and had guys on either end 624 00:45:17,547 --> 00:45:19,674 of the two by fours running through the woods with the camera. 625 00:45:19,966 --> 00:45:20,884 And it works! 626 00:45:21,301 --> 00:45:24,721 The shakey cam is actually scarier than the Steadicam. 627 00:45:25,847 --> 00:45:31,061 This cinema verité effect and the grittiness to it, makes it feel almost like a documentary. 628 00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:36,024 The Evil Dead is a perfect example of cult film creative genius born out of low-budget 629 00:45:36,399 --> 00:45:37,067 necessity. 630 00:45:52,415 --> 00:45:56,628 Halloween was conceived by not just John Carpenter but by Debra Hill. 631 00:45:57,128 --> 00:46:03,343 And you had a very strong woman and her voice in the development of the characters and I think that has a lot 632 00:46:03,843 --> 00:46:09,266 to do with why you like Jamie beyond her own inherent skills which she is obviously very talented. 633 00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:16,815 After Halloween was a success, partners that I had in the movie wanted to make a sequel. 634 00:46:17,565 --> 00:46:19,359 I just didn't think there was any story left. 635 00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:21,778 I couldn't stop them from making it. 636 00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:25,824 So, I figured well, might as well go along with them. I wrote the screenplay. 637 00:46:26,574 --> 00:46:29,661 It wasn't very good. I didn't do a great job. 638 00:46:30,161 --> 00:46:35,834 And now you're repeating gags and you’re just repeating what's happened in one. 639 00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,961 This worked once, not this time. 640 00:46:38,378 --> 00:46:40,880 I wasn't scared in Halloween 2. I was just grossed out. 641 00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:45,969 You know, it's ironic that the original Halloween inspired so many countless dozens of imitations 642 00:46:46,594 --> 00:46:49,556 and for two years we got nothing but movies in which their only ambition was to litter 643 00:46:50,056 --> 00:46:51,224 the screen with dead teenagers. 644 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,352 Now we get Halloween 2 and it's a pale imitation of the imitations. 645 00:46:54,811 --> 00:46:56,104 It's not worthy of the original film. 646 00:46:56,604 --> 00:47:01,818 Not until the very last sequel recently, did we have actually a new story to tell. 647 00:47:02,193 --> 00:47:05,780 So, I was disappointed in it and disappointed at what I did. 648 00:47:08,575 --> 00:47:10,118 I didn't want to direct Halloween 2. 649 00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:15,665 Rick Rosenthal is now directing instead of John Carpenter and Dick Warlock replacing 650 00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:17,584 Nick Castle wearing the Shatner mask. 651 00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:20,712 Nick Castle was not asked to return as The Shape. 652 00:47:22,422 --> 00:47:23,715 One of the big flaws. 653 00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:28,386 I think by that time I had already directed so yeah, I don't know, they had no even reason 654 00:47:28,845 --> 00:47:30,972 to think I'd want to be the shape again so, 655 00:47:31,264 --> 00:47:33,349 and nor would I have probably done it at that point. 656 00:47:33,975 --> 00:47:37,479 Debra came to me and said, "Nick, do you have the mask from the first one?" 657 00:47:37,854 --> 00:47:42,067 Because for whatever reason we've tried to redo it again and we can't get it right. 658 00:47:42,817 --> 00:47:44,027 So, I said, "Oh yeah, I got it here." 659 00:47:44,402 --> 00:47:45,403 It's in my living room. 660 00:47:45,862 --> 00:47:51,826 She took it and never gave it back unfortunately but I'm sure it would be powder by now anyhow. 661 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,078 So, what the hell? 662 00:47:53,578 --> 00:47:57,582 Jamie Lee Curtis was a real sport in this film since she essentially had to go it alone 663 00:47:58,124 --> 00:48:01,920 without the support structure she had in her breakout hit in 1978. 664 00:48:03,004 --> 00:48:07,509 Plus, since she cut her hair for another movie she had to wear a wig that once you notice it, 665 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:09,094 you can't unsee it. 666 00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:14,140 Contained mostly in the Haddonfield Hospital, the film follows the standard slasher formula 667 00:48:14,641 --> 00:48:18,978 much closer than the groundbreaking original with more creative kills and much more gratuitous 668 00:48:19,312 --> 00:48:19,938 nudity. 669 00:48:22,315 --> 00:48:26,653 I think the most memorable kill from Halloween 2 is probably the nurse who gets her head 670 00:48:27,028 --> 00:48:28,655 dunked in the boiling hot, hot tub. 671 00:48:29,114 --> 00:48:33,118 But for me my personal favorite is actually the other nurse who gets the scalpel in the back 672 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:35,078 and just raised off the ground. 673 00:48:37,497 --> 00:48:41,126 My buddy from The Last Starfighter, Lance Guest plays a prominent role in there. 674 00:48:41,501 --> 00:48:45,880 I didn't realize until I saw it again how big a role he had and he survived, I think. 675 00:48:50,009 --> 00:48:52,887 I guess Michael Myers had to take a break to recuperate after getting torched at 676 00:48:53,179 --> 00:48:54,139 the end of Halloween 2. 677 00:48:57,350 --> 00:49:01,062 But he'd come back after the collective what the fuck of Halloween 3. 678 00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:15,994 Ghost Story is based on the Peter Straub novel and it stars Hollywood legends Fred Astaire, 679 00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:21,374 Melvyn Douglas, John Houseman and Douglas Fairbanks Jr. as the chowder society. 680 00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:25,628 Basically, a bunch of old dudes sharing horror stories. 681 00:49:33,344 --> 00:49:37,056 Of course, John Houseman similarly tells ghost stories by a campfire at the beginning of 682 00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:38,892 John Carpenter's, The Fog. 683 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,230 Maybe that's why I grew up loving stories. That movie is like such a great marriage 684 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:46,483 of old-time stories. 685 00:49:47,192 --> 00:49:49,152 It brought that into the '80s. 686 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:51,362 At a time that we weren't really seeing that. 687 00:49:59,204 --> 00:50:03,541 The transition of Alice Krige throughout that movie is absolutely horrifying where she starts 688 00:50:03,958 --> 00:50:10,882 off as this beautiful woman sort of fluttery and flirty and full of life and very much 689 00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:14,010 sort of just a carelessness to her carriage. 690 00:50:14,844 --> 00:50:20,016 And by the end once things are revealed with her functionality in this film, it's such 691 00:50:20,433 --> 00:50:22,018 an interesting descent. 692 00:50:25,063 --> 00:50:27,357 Ghosts in movies are so hard to pull off. 693 00:50:27,774 --> 00:50:31,861 And I don't think anybody had pushed this idea of ghosts the way that Dick Smith had 694 00:50:32,237 --> 00:50:33,488 pushed them in Ghost Story. 695 00:50:33,863 --> 00:50:37,700 Dick Smith who is a guy who's best known for his work on The Exorcist or even The Godfather. 696 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,872 At this point in the '80s, like he was stepping back a little bit while this new talent was coming 697 00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:47,126 forward but yet still was out there making memorable creations and though obviously, 698 00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:51,631 we see that in Ghost Story. It was something completely different than we had seen before. 699 00:50:56,928 --> 00:50:58,763 Yeah, I love that movie a lot. 700 00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:09,566 One of the really great things about 1980s horror movies was that everything happened 701 00:51:09,899 --> 00:51:11,067 in front of the camera. 702 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,653 There was no such thing as CGI yet. 703 00:51:14,237 --> 00:51:19,951 An actor was interacting with either an actor covered in latex or puppets or things that 704 00:51:20,243 --> 00:51:22,453 were really in the frame with them. 705 00:51:25,081 --> 00:51:30,712 There was an artistry of the special makeup effects geniuses of the time, the Rick Baker's and 706 00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:36,426 Tom Savini's and Steve Johnson's and all of these people who really launched their 707 00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:38,344 careers during that time. 708 00:51:38,803 --> 00:51:44,892 You get your first Oscar for makeup and it was An American Werewolf in London in 1981. 709 00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,897 First of all, I'd like to thank the Academy for creating this new category and I'm very 710 00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:51,816 proud to be the first winner. 711 00:51:53,943 --> 00:51:59,282 When I think of 1980s horror, that's to me one of the best things about it. 712 00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,871 Once they saw what you could do it was like all bets were off and everybody wanted to 713 00:52:05,246 --> 00:52:07,165 go out and make horror movies which is exciting. 714 00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:22,180 Filmmakers realized that the tools that they had at their disposal allowed them to create 715 00:52:22,847 --> 00:52:25,683 bigger and bigger worlds, bigger and bigger moments. 716 00:52:34,108 --> 00:52:39,364 It's just such a vibrant, alive, new time because we had materials and we had techniques and 717 00:52:39,739 --> 00:52:43,951 we had all of these movies that were being made that gave us an opportunity to push the 718 00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:45,119 envelope. 719 00:52:45,745 --> 00:52:50,041 I love the magic of the movies and the magic of theater. 720 00:52:51,584 --> 00:52:55,171 How we take a situation and make it look how we want it to look. 721 00:52:55,713 --> 00:52:57,548 To make you believe what I want you to believe. 722 00:52:57,882 --> 00:53:00,760 What sticks in your mind the most is how did they do that? 723 00:53:01,427 --> 00:53:08,351 You become interested in the illusion and the magic that's happening behind the scenes 724 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:13,022 and that gets you interested in film making. 725 00:53:15,108 --> 00:53:18,820 And the reason that Torn Savini, the reason that Stan Winston, the reason that Rick Baker 726 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,409 and Rob Bottin were the visionaries that they were and still are, was because they 727 00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:28,663 approached all of these effects as if they were magic tricks. 728 00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:30,790 And a lot of it is misdirection. 729 00:53:31,874 --> 00:53:35,712 In-camera effects are always much more, more impactful. 730 00:53:36,045 --> 00:53:38,423 However, they're very expensive to do. 731 00:53:38,965 --> 00:53:41,217 They're very, very time-consuming. 732 00:53:51,644 --> 00:53:55,356 If you do them right, practical effects are much more powerful. 733 00:53:56,691 --> 00:53:58,234 How do you build a better werewolf? 734 00:53:58,693 --> 00:54:01,696 How do you build a better decapitation? 735 00:54:02,363 --> 00:54:05,366 I mean these are things that still obsess me. 736 00:54:06,868 --> 00:54:09,704 30-some years later this is still my work. 737 00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:17,170 There's an almost sort of childlike aspect to what we do that I feel very grateful for. 738 00:54:17,628 --> 00:54:23,301 This is impressive art; This is impressive stuff and it drives and propels the story 739 00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:27,263 and those visceral reactions that you have to horror. 740 00:54:27,597 --> 00:54:31,768 I'm always trying to sort of push things beyond the realm of good taste in it and sometimes 741 00:54:32,185 --> 00:54:33,603 even beyond the realm of possibility. 742 00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:35,313 You want to do the impossible things. 743 00:54:35,688 --> 00:54:37,690 You shouldn't be limited to what's possible. 744 00:54:38,024 --> 00:54:42,195 You should be able to make the audience believe something that's impossible is happening 745 00:54:42,487 --> 00:54:43,780 right in front of them. 746 00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:45,323 Everything was on the table. 747 00:54:45,823 --> 00:54:47,283 You could really do whatever you want. 748 00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:51,287 The only thing that you would have to contend with was the ratings board. 749 00:54:51,662 --> 00:54:56,000 It was always a fight because the directors felt they had creative freedom to tell the 750 00:54:56,417 --> 00:54:58,044 story and do whatever they wanted to do. 751 00:54:58,461 --> 00:55:02,340 And of course, there were people that found some of the subject matter and some of what 752 00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:04,675 we did offensive. 753 00:55:05,426 --> 00:55:10,223 For a certain amount of blood, you get an X and an X means the distributor can't release 754 00:55:10,556 --> 00:55:13,059 in almost all the theaters that wants you. 755 00:55:13,434 --> 00:55:16,437 You've got a very small release which means it's a very small profit. 756 00:55:17,396 --> 00:55:18,815 So, you have to be mindful of that. 757 00:55:19,232 --> 00:55:22,360 I've helped several films get X ratings because of the violence and the blood. 758 00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:27,365 Often they'll resubmit it, they'll cut out a few frames here and a few there. 759 00:55:27,657 --> 00:55:29,492 Finally, you might get an R - rating. 760 00:55:29,784 --> 00:55:34,580 It was often that this fear of getting an X - rating so they would go with blood that 761 00:55:34,997 --> 00:55:39,085 wasn't red right from the beginning like in Phantasm or Evil Dead 2. 762 00:55:39,752 --> 00:55:44,090 There's such a focus on blood and gore particularly in movies in the '80s and to be honest with you 763 00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,008 I never quite got it. 764 00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:51,055 Once filmmakers got into that whole blood thing and the bloodletting and it became bigger 765 00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:53,474 and bigger and like who can outdo the other person? 766 00:55:53,933 --> 00:55:59,438 And yeah, that's fun but to me it wasn't quite as realistic as what happens in real life. 767 00:55:59,897 --> 00:56:03,860 The effects artists creating stuff usually knows best how to shoot it. 768 00:56:04,902 --> 00:56:09,824 Some things are going to be shot from a certain angle, they work best not from this angle. 769 00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:15,496 And a good director is going to trust their effects people but if you shoot it from something 770 00:56:15,788 --> 00:56:18,875 a little bit different it's going to reveal itself to be the magic trick and you don't 771 00:56:19,292 --> 00:56:21,878 want to ever show the rabbit in the hat. 772 00:56:26,883 --> 00:56:31,596 There was so much work that everybody was keeping busy and it never felt like competition. 773 00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:33,681 It felt more like a coexistence. 774 00:56:34,098 --> 00:56:37,476 We all had the same backgrounds, we all grew up reading Famous Monsters of Filmland, 775 00:56:37,768 --> 00:56:41,439 we all grew up making movies with our Super 8 cameras. 776 00:56:41,731 --> 00:56:46,527 There was a sort of a shared heritage in what got us to where we were at that point. 777 00:56:47,069 --> 00:56:53,284 In the early '80s, Fangoria magazine came out and now we had a group of people that were 778 00:56:53,576 --> 00:56:57,538 celebrating the actual special effects makeup of those movies. 779 00:56:58,164 --> 00:57:01,292 Before it was like yeah, you're a guy, you do special effects, that's cool. 780 00:57:01,584 --> 00:57:05,630 But then Fangoria really made this like cool personality around them because they really 781 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:09,842 focused on the work they were doing because it was so innovative and so different and 782 00:57:10,217 --> 00:57:11,510 also so graphic. 783 00:57:11,802 --> 00:57:14,889 They printed the pictures that no one else would print. 784 00:57:15,348 --> 00:57:17,266 It wasn't the fangs that the kids wanted it was the gore. 785 00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:22,313 And they had pictures of bloody corpses and people with slashed throats and tongues coming 786 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,273 hanging out and stuff. 787 00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:28,319 I wouldn't exactly call it porn but it had the same effect in a way because it was a 788 00:57:28,694 --> 00:57:32,406 high for kids because it would seem so forbidden and it was so transgressive. 789 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:36,619 Fangoria was the authority on what's about to come out and what do you need to see. 790 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,874 Without an internet, without an endless resource of images at your fingertips you would stare 791 00:57:42,249 --> 00:57:44,460 at that fucking Fangoria until the pages fell apart. 792 00:57:45,169 --> 00:57:49,507 Fangoria had a lot of trouble in the early days getting taken off of news stands and things 793 00:57:49,882 --> 00:57:53,302 like that because the imagery was too shocking or bloody or whatever. 794 00:57:53,803 --> 00:57:56,847 Fangoria, Cinefantastique, Cinefex 795 00:57:57,848 --> 00:57:59,350 and American Cinematographer. 796 00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:02,436 Yeah, those were my little Bibles every month. 797 00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:08,567 It was a wonderful way to see how other effects were being done, what films are being 798 00:58:08,859 --> 00:58:09,485 done. 799 00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:11,404 A great teaching tool. 800 00:58:11,904 --> 00:58:15,825 Everybody in special effects and special makeup effects was reading all those magazines. 801 00:58:16,242 --> 00:58:20,246 It actually generated more interest because somebody would watch that movie, or they'd see 802 00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:23,332 some behind the scenes story and they say, ”Wait, what? 803 00:58:23,749 --> 00:58:25,501 You did what with yak hair?" 804 00:58:25,876 --> 00:58:29,046 And they'd go see the movie and they'd suddenly realize, "Wow, that's cool. 805 00:58:29,422 --> 00:58:33,592 I understand how it all comes together and look and I'm seeing it now and I'm believing it 806 00:58:33,884 --> 00:58:35,511 and it's a monster and I'm buying it... 807 00:58:35,803 --> 00:58:39,306 I think a lot of the special effects in the '80s movies have aged well. 808 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,477 You're doing it live really, essentially in front of the camera, ya know they're practical effects. 809 00:58:43,769 --> 00:58:49,442 There's something about CG that I think makes it seem distant and not really, it's not really 810 00:58:49,734 --> 00:58:51,027 happening in front of you. 811 00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:56,407 Actors would prefer to work with something they can see and react to rather than a green 812 00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:58,075 ball on a stick. 813 00:58:58,743 --> 00:59:07,084 I would be hard-pressed to pick the all-time great '80s practical effect but chances are 814 00:59:07,543 --> 00:59:08,794 Rick Baker did it. 815 00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:30,483 Cat People is an unusual moment in '80s horror because it's this attempt at legitimacy. 816 00:59:30,816 --> 00:59:35,362 You've got all the horror guys doing their stuff but then you've got Paul Schrader who had 817 00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:38,532 written Taxi Driver and American Gigolo and Mishima. 818 00:59:38,824 --> 00:59:43,079 And he's more or less a respectable filmmaker and here he is getting in on the shapeshifter 819 00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:44,955 trend that was started by An American Werewolf in London. 820 00:59:45,289 --> 00:59:46,415 So, that's very interesting to me. 821 00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:50,002 He cast it with Nastassja Kinski and Malcolm McDowell. 822 00:59:50,795 --> 00:59:51,754 It's like raising the game a little bit. 823 00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:58,969 That movie brought a sort of euro sensibility into American horror that I found really, 824 00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:00,721 really interesting. 825 01:00:01,013 --> 01:00:06,018 Cat People takes the sort of barest lift from the original's premise and makes it more about 826 01:00:06,393 --> 01:00:10,106 these siblings who have this sort of borderline incestuous relationship. 827 01:00:15,694 --> 01:00:19,115 The transformation is actually almost like watching a work of art. 828 01:00:19,865 --> 01:00:21,659 It's very different in its purpose. 829 01:00:22,576 --> 01:00:25,371 They'd seen what had happened in The Howling and in An American Werewolf and so they're 830 01:00:25,788 --> 01:00:27,248 taking it into this other space. 831 01:00:27,665 --> 01:00:30,042 And what I like about the Cat People transformations is that they're both kind of different. 832 01:00:30,709 --> 01:00:34,046 Malcolm McDowell likes being the cat and so it's kind of a different thing but in Nastassja 833 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:37,800 Kinski's transformation is painful and she's not into this. 834 01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:41,637 Tom Berman and his crew thought about that and sort of worked the characters feelings 835 01:00:42,054 --> 01:00:44,765 into the transformation and made it a very painful and uncomfortable thing. 836 01:00:45,057 --> 01:00:48,144 And it was just an interesting pivot from where we had been just a year before 837 01:00:48,602 --> 01:00:50,938 with Baker's stuff and Bottin's transformations. 838 01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:07,913 Basket Case is an amazing super low budget movie. 839 01:01:08,664 --> 01:01:12,334 I Love New York at that period as well and that's one of the last movies that captured 840 01:01:12,751 --> 01:01:14,086 Time Square as it was. 841 01:01:14,587 --> 01:01:20,843 That really grimy place that you would not go to unless you're looking for drugs. 842 01:01:21,635 --> 01:01:26,557 There's a lot of weird, seedy New York stuff that you don't get to see any more on screen. 843 01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:31,770 When Belial throws his tantrum in the hotel room and suddenly we're in stop motion and 844 01:01:32,271 --> 01:01:36,108 we're smashing TVs and stuff. That's when like we kind of all went... 845 01:01:36,901 --> 01:01:38,819 That's when you learned that you're in this unsafe space. 846 01:01:39,195 --> 01:01:42,823 They're like oh, this guy is not playing by anybody's rules and he needed stop motion 847 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,199 for this scene and he's going to do it. 848 01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:46,827 That's where Basket Case crosses over into greatness for me. 849 01:01:47,912 --> 01:01:53,459 Frank Henenlotter, the director of Basket Case once said to me, "I'm a strange little man." 850 01:01:53,918 --> 01:01:54,710 And he is. 851 01:01:55,211 --> 01:02:00,758 There are things that he would put in a movie that most people would recoil from. 852 01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:09,099 And in fact, there are scenes in Basket Case that are so sexual and violent and gross that 853 01:02:09,516 --> 01:02:13,062 the crew of the film actually walked off and left the film. 854 01:02:13,687 --> 01:02:19,777 There's one shot at the end of Basket Case where Belial the monster is actually on top 855 01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:24,865 of the female lead. She's completely naked and he's obviously doing something that you 856 01:02:25,491 --> 01:02:29,370 don't want to think about a little scrawny monster doing to a beautiful woman. 857 01:02:29,995 --> 01:02:32,581 But I think the shot has to be in the movie. 858 01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:35,584 By that time, you have to see that. 859 01:02:36,252 --> 01:02:39,463 Thank God that Henenlotter got to make those movies when he got to make them, where he got 860 01:02:39,838 --> 01:02:44,343 to make them, because they were maybe the last gasp of that grindhouse thing. 861 01:02:56,021 --> 01:03:01,151 There's a certain kind of horror film that says big studio production, big studio budget. 862 01:03:01,735 --> 01:03:07,324 That means it's safe for people in the suburbs to go see it and Poltergeist was one of those 863 01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:08,200 movies. 864 01:03:08,701 --> 01:03:12,955 No matter how scary it gets, it was okay to take the family to see that particular movie. 865 01:03:15,291 --> 01:03:18,919 Another movie that kind of just highlighted that horror could be just as much fun as 866 01:03:19,378 --> 01:03:22,298 any kind of other rollercoaster tentpole movie you were seeing at the time 867 01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:23,966 like Indiana Jones or something. 868 01:03:24,633 --> 01:03:26,927 What is this little girl in the front of the TV with nothing on it? 869 01:03:27,219 --> 01:03:31,056 Because when we used to actually snap our channels and you hit the snowy UHF channel 870 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,852 or the Channel 4 or whatever didn't come in your region, you're like get off of that. 871 01:03:35,311 --> 01:03:37,354 This girl is sitting in front of it intrigued by it. 872 01:03:40,691 --> 01:03:41,859 What is this about? 873 01:03:42,818 --> 01:03:49,116 Anything that dealt with kind of suburbia dealing with like aliens or the old ghosts' 874 01:03:49,533 --> 01:03:51,452 spirits, I don't know those really appeal to me. 875 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:55,914 I just felt like all of us live in some form of suburbia now and who knows what Indian 876 01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:59,835 graveyards we're all like living on top of. 877 01:04:00,127 --> 01:04:06,383 Poltergeist takes an old staple of the horror movie which is the seance, the communication 878 01:04:06,842 --> 01:04:10,429 with the other side and amps it up about a hundred times. 879 01:04:11,096 --> 01:04:13,349 That's the genius of that movie, I think. 880 01:04:16,226 --> 01:04:17,519 Let me set the record straight. 881 01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:20,356 Tobe Hooper directed Poltergeist. 882 01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:25,819 There was a horrible scurrilous myth that it was ghost directed by Steven Spielberg 883 01:04:26,153 --> 01:04:30,366 because it was executive produced by Steven Spielberg because it has that Spielberg glow 884 01:04:30,699 --> 01:04:31,158 about it. 885 01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:36,246 But every Robert Zemeckis film was executive produced by Steven Spielberg and had that 886 01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:37,998 Spielberg glow about it. 887 01:04:39,249 --> 01:04:42,669 Tobe was a really good friend and I miss him every day. 888 01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,798 I got to watch him work on Poltergeist. 889 01:04:46,173 --> 01:04:47,633 I was on the set. 890 01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:51,011 His mark on the movie is indelible. 891 01:04:51,303 --> 01:04:53,472 Steven Spielberg is a very powerful producer. 892 01:04:54,139 --> 01:04:58,018 He hired Tobe because he loved Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 893 01:04:59,061 --> 01:05:04,316 When the storm is happening and all of the coffins are coming up and spilling out all 894 01:05:04,983 --> 01:05:09,947 the corpses and the like, it's very surreal and very Tobe. 895 01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:14,660 That I think is probably the most Tobe Hooper scene in the movie. 896 01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:20,332 And yet it's a collaboration of two incredibly powerful and unique filmmaking minds who come 897 01:05:20,707 --> 01:05:23,460 to the same destination from opposite directions. 898 01:05:37,391 --> 01:05:41,520 I never wanted to remake The Thing From Another World. 899 01:05:42,062 --> 01:05:44,064 That was one of my favorite movies. 900 01:05:44,523 --> 01:05:46,358 I was a big fan of Howard Hawks. 901 01:05:46,817 --> 01:05:53,949 I just never wanted to touch it and along it came and it would be my first studio film. 902 01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:55,325 I couldn't say no. 903 01:05:55,909 --> 01:05:58,078 I thought well, what am I gonna do that's different? 904 01:05:59,246 --> 01:06:04,960 And then decided well, one of the things is I can go against the cliché and actually bring 905 01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:08,088 the monster out into the light and show it. 906 01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:12,759 I can do the imitation part of this story which was not done in the first movie. 907 01:06:15,095 --> 01:06:17,139 Childs was like your strong silent type. 908 01:06:17,598 --> 01:06:19,475 He didn't have a whole lot of words. 909 01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:28,984 To have Roger Mosley to thank because I believe he was the first consideration for the Thing 910 01:06:29,651 --> 01:06:34,656 and then he got Magnum, P.l. and that changed his world and mine. 911 01:06:42,831 --> 01:06:48,045 Rob Bottin's work in The Thing was amazing but it came at a huge cost to us. 912 01:06:50,422 --> 01:06:57,429 Rob Bottin did an extraordinary job creating the Thing that was morphing into this and 913 01:06:57,804 --> 01:06:58,931 morphing into that. 914 01:07:00,182 --> 01:07:02,309 It could look like anything that they wanted. 915 01:07:02,684 --> 01:07:07,064 So, when they started designing the effect sequences, they thought about it in terms 916 01:07:07,481 --> 01:07:09,399 of this thing's been to a thousand different planets. 917 01:07:10,067 --> 01:07:15,489 The DNA contains stuff that looks like tentacles and crab legs and spider legs. 918 01:07:15,989 --> 01:07:20,661 That was just miles beyond its time and just throwing all the rules out. 919 01:07:21,245 --> 01:07:29,336 The most fun was Norris's head hitting the floor and out come these little legs and eyeballs. 920 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,758 The best part of that scene isn't even the spider. 921 01:07:35,259 --> 01:07:39,554 It's everyone's fucking reaction as they just go... 922 01:07:41,306 --> 01:07:43,976 They all turn and they're just like, "Are you seeing this shit?" 923 01:07:47,896 --> 01:07:53,777 And then they light it up but it's that moment of like a real human reaction that sells that 924 01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:55,070 whole scene. 925 01:07:57,698 --> 01:08:00,909 The first time I saw the movie I went whoa... 926 01:08:01,243 --> 01:08:06,248 The special effects and them being so out front and explicit were the reasons that I 927 01:08:06,582 --> 01:08:08,083 got criticized for The Thing. 928 01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,585 The barf bag movie of July. 929 01:08:09,918 --> 01:08:10,877 I have some problems with it. 930 01:08:11,336 --> 01:08:16,091 The story is totally implausible and the movie just basically is an excuse for this very 931 01:08:16,383 --> 01:08:18,885 gruesome and repellent creature to gross us out. 932 01:08:19,219 --> 01:08:21,888 It is the most nauseating thing I've ever seen on a movie screen. 933 01:08:22,347 --> 01:08:26,393 They wanted me to be more like the original or classier. 934 01:08:27,102 --> 01:08:29,271 The blood test scene is my favorite scene in the movie. 935 01:08:29,563 --> 01:08:31,898 It's just a great suspense scene. 936 01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:36,111 The strength of one person or one group's paranoia can spread. 937 01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:39,489 It makes everybody look at everyone else differently. 938 01:08:39,865 --> 01:08:41,575 In fact, even the way you look at yourself. 939 01:08:48,332 --> 01:08:50,208 It was a great Donald Moffat moment. 940 01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:56,131 The first time that we heard, "Gentlemen, I know you've been through quite an ordeal. 941 01:08:56,506 --> 01:09:03,597 But when you find the time, I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter tied to this fucking couch!" 942 01:09:04,931 --> 01:09:10,187 We cracked up but we were also like Oh, like freaked out. 943 01:09:11,021 --> 01:09:12,564 That's my favorite moment in the movie. 944 01:09:26,411 --> 01:09:29,247 I thought I don't think there's any more story in the Halloween movies. 945 01:09:29,956 --> 01:09:32,501 Why don't we veer off and do something brand-new? 946 01:09:33,126 --> 01:09:34,294 And that's what we did. 947 01:09:34,711 --> 01:09:36,296 It shows you how wrong I can be. 948 01:09:36,755 --> 01:09:41,927 There were a whole lot of people who were deeply disappointed to put it kindly 949 01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:44,680 that Michael Myers was not in it. 950 01:09:45,389 --> 01:09:46,890 Everybody wanted more of the same. 951 01:09:47,265 --> 01:09:48,266 And what do you get? 952 01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:52,729 You get this kind of like company that's creating Halloween masks that melt children's heads off 953 01:09:53,271 --> 01:09:56,483 and turn them into like worms, snakes and spiders. 954 01:09:56,858 --> 01:09:59,027 I mean it is incredibly dark, man. 955 01:09:59,778 --> 01:10:04,991 It's that whole plot to take over the world through a holiday that everyone loves. 956 01:10:05,951 --> 01:10:10,747 Torn Atkins in Halloween 3 is very interesting to me because he's like a '70s anti-hero in 957 01:10:11,373 --> 01:10:14,960 an '80s post-Spielberg plot which is an interesting juxtaposition. 958 01:10:22,801 --> 01:10:34,312 We find this den of iniquity and evil in the far north reaches of California with (Zonal Cochran. 959 01:10:35,313 --> 01:10:40,318 When we were driving through that town, we felt like we were being watched. 960 01:10:40,861 --> 01:10:45,323 It was really spooky creepy kind of town. 961 01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:54,166 Garn Stephens, my first wife is in that movie and she is Marge who's face is eaten in the 962 01:10:54,458 --> 01:11:00,046 motel room while she's sitting there reading and Stacy and I were in the next bedroom and 963 01:11:00,464 --> 01:11:02,340 she was in this bedroom. 964 01:11:02,632 --> 01:11:05,469 I always thought that was kind of awkwardy. 965 01:11:12,601 --> 01:11:16,480 Three more days till Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. 966 01:11:17,063 --> 01:11:20,400 Three more days till Halloween Silver Shamrock. 967 01:11:22,611 --> 01:11:26,782 Boy, did we hate it by the time we were finished shooting it. 968 01:11:35,373 --> 01:11:43,089 After Halloween 3 came out that sunk any idea of doing Halloween as anthology stories. 969 01:11:43,507 --> 01:11:44,382 That was the end of it. 970 01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:48,136 But Halloween 3 was not a very big hit with people. 971 01:11:48,595 --> 01:11:52,182 They wanted to see the guy with a mask and the knife. So... 972 01:11:52,557 --> 01:11:56,394 We'd already been conditioned to think that Halloween equals Michael Myers. 973 01:11:56,686 --> 01:12:02,400 If Halloween 3 was Halloween 2 it would have been a hit and we would have a whole different 974 01:12:02,776 --> 01:12:03,693 Halloween franchise today. 975 01:12:04,069 --> 01:12:05,362 It should have never been called Halloween 3. 976 01:12:05,779 --> 01:12:08,240 It should have just been called Season of the Witch and it might have done better. 977 01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:16,414 If John was able to mount a yearly or every other year Halloween anthology, let's just 978 01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:21,419 call it John Carpenter's Halloween. The expectation was that John was going to give you yet another 979 01:12:21,711 --> 01:12:23,964 iconic character. That could have worked out just fine. 980 01:12:24,422 --> 01:12:25,715 It just didn't work out that way. 981 01:12:26,424 --> 01:12:31,346 Well, Tommy Lee Wallace I thought he did a wonderful job directing and putting together 982 01:12:31,846 --> 01:12:32,973 Halloween 3. 983 01:12:33,431 --> 01:12:35,100 Nobody sets out to make a bad movie. 984 01:12:35,934 --> 01:12:42,607 People have very much rallied to it and embrace it, it's a good standalone movie by itself. 985 01:12:43,483 --> 01:12:47,445 It doesn't need Michael Myers and never did, and if they're disappointed tough. 986 01:12:58,665 --> 01:13:01,042 Q is perfection to me. 987 01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:05,797 I love seeing Q the winged serpent flying over New York in all his stop-motion glory. 988 01:13:06,464 --> 01:13:11,177 There's just some great Larry Cohen-isms where there's like somebody on the rooftop doing 989 01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:15,515 push-ups and there's a guy just going okay, he's counting them off and then Q comes in 990 01:13:15,807 --> 01:13:17,559 and steals one of them. It's so good. 991 01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:20,061 It's such a weird campy movie. I love it. 992 01:13:20,437 --> 01:13:22,898 We went to New York, I had one day's prep. 993 01:13:23,648 --> 01:13:27,986 We got the helicopter the next day, we shot all the helicopter stuff and when I brought 994 01:13:28,361 --> 01:13:33,116 the picture to the special effects people, they said to me oh, you did this all wrong, 995 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:35,535 you're supposed to come to us first. 996 01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:40,415 And we outline it and we draw everything for you storyboards and tell you where to put 997 01:13:40,832 --> 01:13:46,004 the monster and where to put the actors and everything is all planned in advance and you've 998 01:13:46,421 --> 01:13:50,800 come in and shot the whole picture, all the footage and now you expect us to put the monster 999 01:13:51,176 --> 01:13:53,136 into it? And I say yes. 1000 01:13:53,887 --> 01:13:57,557 He shot with Dave Allen doing his stop-motion... So poor David. 1001 01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:01,227 He had all these helicopter backgrounds bouncing like this. 1002 01:14:01,561 --> 01:14:04,564 And he's got to try to figure out it how to put his monster in it. But it works out great. 1003 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:12,447 These guys who do these effects they're meticulous guys but they have a very narrow focus 1004 01:14:12,822 --> 01:14:14,616 and not much of a sense of humor. 1005 01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:31,383 Creepshow is the reaction of the sort of the Spielbergification of horror from two guys 1006 01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:33,843 in the cheap seats in Bangor, Maine and Pittsburgh. 1007 01:14:34,678 --> 01:14:38,014 So Stephen King and Romero get together and they're going to make their funhouse horror movie. 1008 01:14:38,431 --> 01:14:42,060 It's unlike anything Romero had ever done and it's unlike anything King had ever done 1009 01:14:42,394 --> 01:14:44,562 and I think that informs the energy of that movie. 1010 01:14:44,854 --> 01:14:47,565 It's five short stories, there's not a dud in the bunch. 1011 01:14:47,857 --> 01:14:50,777 They are all moral fables. Every single one of them. 1012 01:14:51,236 --> 01:14:53,697 The one with Leslie Nielsen deals with greed. 1013 01:14:54,155 --> 01:14:59,077 He wants to get revenge on the man who's seducing his wife and stealing her away from him. 1014 01:14:59,703 --> 01:15:04,833 E.G. Marshall who wants to remain closeted in his little insular cocoon. 1015 01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:10,547 Viveca Lindfors whose father treated her badly but she still shows up for Father's Day and 1016 01:15:11,089 --> 01:15:12,924 she still goes to his grave. 1017 01:15:15,385 --> 01:15:18,013 Nathan crawling out of his grave is amazing. 1018 01:15:18,555 --> 01:15:21,558 The musical sting when the hand comes out. 1019 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,436 It's magic. 1020 01:15:24,894 --> 01:15:28,148 Beyond the fact that has great effects in "I want my cake." 1021 01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,612 You can't not talk about that segment and not talk about Ed Harris's dancing. 1022 01:15:34,904 --> 01:15:36,322 It's the greatest thing ever. 1023 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,164 I think that's one of the fun things about '80s horror is you see a lot of actors who 1024 01:15:44,622 --> 01:15:49,002 now have gone onto do like prestige movies, these big things but they're all in these 1025 01:15:49,335 --> 01:15:54,132 like weird quirky little roles in '80s horror and you're like "Wow, that's kind of cool". 1026 01:15:54,549 --> 01:15:58,470 And just getting to watch like somebody like Adrienne Barbeau who I knew from The Fog 1027 01:15:58,803 --> 01:16:02,891 playing like this crazy, ditzy, drunk lady yelling at her husband all the time. 1028 01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:12,484 She was nervous about playing such a bitchy character. 1029 01:16:13,026 --> 01:16:16,362 Then you get to watch her get eaten by this beast in the crate. 1030 01:16:20,825 --> 01:16:23,036 It's a movie that offers a lot for everybody. 1031 01:16:24,537 --> 01:16:29,375 I love Fluffy, I love the creature in the box, I love Bedelia and her birthday cake. 1032 01:16:31,169 --> 01:16:35,131 And I loved seeing Ted Danson buried in sand and all of that. 1033 01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:39,636 But the most memorable part of that is Stephen King covered in meteor shit. 1034 01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:41,679 Yeah, meteor shit. 1035 01:16:45,975 --> 01:16:49,646 George Romero said is there anything in there you would love to do? 1036 01:16:50,313 --> 01:16:52,148 I said yeah, I would love to play Jordy. 1037 01:16:52,690 --> 01:16:55,652 He said well, Stephen King's going to play that role. 1038 01:16:56,194 --> 01:17:02,200 Would you do me a big favor and play the dad in the wrap around, the beginning and the end? 1039 01:17:04,035 --> 01:17:12,252 Stephen King's son Joe King, he played my son and I threw that comic book into the garbage 1040 01:17:12,752 --> 01:17:21,636 can out front and then he voodoos me to death at the end over my cornflakes but I had to 1041 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:28,852 smack him early on and Stephen was never out of the room. 1042 01:17:29,727 --> 01:17:31,771 Tom, you're not going to hurt him, are you Tom? 1043 01:17:32,230 --> 01:17:34,399 You're not going to really hit him, are you Tom? 1044 01:17:35,024 --> 01:17:38,236 He is my boy, you're not going to, he's only 9 years old Tom. 1045 01:17:38,736 --> 01:17:43,658 And I said Stephen come on, I'm a professional actor. 1046 01:17:45,034 --> 01:17:48,538 How do you wrangle the hundreds of cockroaches? 1047 01:17:48,872 --> 01:17:54,252 Some exotic cockroaches were allowed to escape into the wilds of Pennsylvania. 1048 01:17:55,670 --> 01:17:56,796 Don't tell anybody. 1049 01:18:00,425 --> 01:18:03,887 It's such a pivotal movie that didn't get them the credit they deserve I don't think. 1050 01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:07,724 Because in the years following that Twilight Zone: The Movie comes out the next year and 1051 01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:11,769 then Tales from the Crypt comes out as a series but I think it all stems from Creepshow. 1052 01:18:17,233 --> 01:18:21,654 With the success of John Carpenter's Halloween, we did see a lot of films sort of come out 1053 01:18:21,946 --> 01:18:28,536 in response to that idea of well, if we have this holiday and we can turn it into this moment 1054 01:18:28,828 --> 01:18:31,748 in the genre why not capitalize on that? 1055 01:18:40,506 --> 01:18:45,803 And we did see the onslaught of My Bloody Valentine, April Fool's Day, Leprechaun basically 1056 01:18:46,137 --> 01:18:47,889 cashing in on St. Patrick's Day. 1057 01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:52,644 We saw a ton of Christmas horror come out especially in the '80s with Silent Night, Deadly Night. 1058 01:19:00,234 --> 01:19:05,740 The recurring theme with having a holiday become a horrific experience. 1059 01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:11,079 It's an obvious grab whether it's Carrie or Night of the Creeps, these are prom night movies 1060 01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:14,916 but they go horribly different than what you're expecting because it's supposed 1061 01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:18,920 to be your coming-of-age and celebration and like prom night movies are transitioned into 1062 01:19:19,295 --> 01:19:20,463 adulthood almost. 1063 01:19:28,012 --> 01:19:33,393 Valentine's is supposed to be all about your significant other and that smashing together 1064 01:19:33,851 --> 01:19:40,108 of that juxtaposition of what's supposed to be good and light-hearted and celebratory 1065 01:19:40,733 --> 01:19:44,779 into holy crap, this is bloody and evil and people are dying. 1066 01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:51,286 That idealism and that adolescence that comes to a screeching halt when it slams into something 1067 01:19:51,619 --> 01:19:52,203 horrific. 1068 01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:56,958 There's a universality to these moments in the year and I think that's a good way to 1069 01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,836 sort of bring the genre into that fold. 1070 01:20:13,099 --> 01:20:20,648 The relationship of body to mind is a potent one in Cronenberg's world and I think particularly 1071 01:20:21,065 --> 01:20:23,192 in the '80s he attacked it with quite a bit of relish. 1072 01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:30,992 Cronenberg had a history of really getting at the psychic horror around physical afflictions. 1073 01:20:33,703 --> 01:20:36,331 Videodrome was a step further. 1074 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,587 Sort of saying we are entering a period of humanity of human existence, cultural existence 1075 01:20:43,046 --> 01:20:46,799 that is going to fuse technology and the body in organic ways. 1076 01:20:53,639 --> 01:20:59,687 One of the most potent sequences to me is when James Wood's character sticks his hand 1077 01:21:00,021 --> 01:21:04,067 in the vagina-like slit in his stomach that has developed. 1078 01:21:05,026 --> 01:21:07,987 His hand becomes a flesh gun. 1079 01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:16,913 You have a very Gigeresque image of machinery and flesh and metal becoming one and shooting 1080 01:21:17,288 --> 01:21:22,877 out cancer bullets basically that cause a decay of the flesh of the victim which you 1081 01:21:23,294 --> 01:21:25,296 shoot with these bullets. 1082 01:21:25,671 --> 01:21:32,011 And it's unbelievably imaginative and potent and allegorical and repellant all at the same 1083 01:21:32,512 --> 01:21:35,056 time but devilishly entertaining. 1084 01:21:35,723 --> 01:21:39,227 It's all about videocassettes and you look at it now and you just think gosh, it is so 1085 01:21:39,602 --> 01:21:43,898 like arcane but it's really genius because it really was predicting in many ways where 1086 01:21:44,357 --> 01:21:48,236 culture was going and how much more involved the average consumer was going to become 1087 01:21:48,569 --> 01:21:50,363 pre-sort of where things went in the information age. 1088 01:21:50,947 --> 01:21:54,992 And Oblivion is this kind of cross between a cult leader, a political figure and a complete 1089 01:21:55,368 --> 01:21:56,953 low-grade huckster. 1090 01:21:57,453 --> 01:22:02,500 It's predictive of the darkest side of the Reagan era of like where those types of people 1091 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,837 would lead us as a culture. 1092 01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:12,051 The movie really encapsulates the beginning of the transition of global culture from analog 1093 01:22:12,468 --> 01:22:18,724 into digital, from how the consumer took in their media and what impact that had on you. 1094 01:22:23,604 --> 01:22:25,940 No matter how often you see it, it will get under your skin. 1095 01:22:40,121 --> 01:22:44,667 Well, horror films of the '80s even the ones made on slightly higher budgets still had 1096 01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:46,919 that kind of down and dirty feel about them. 1097 01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:51,424 They didn't feel like commercial movies even if they were being made by the studios. 1098 01:22:52,008 --> 01:22:55,845 And you had a lot of directors like Tony Scott for example doing The Hunger and bringing 1099 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:59,682 a very different kind of European aesthetic to a big-budget studio assignment. 1100 01:23:08,316 --> 01:23:11,986 The Hunger was such a sensual, sexy movie. 1101 01:23:12,278 --> 01:23:17,366 It was just melding this scary, creepy vibe with you know vampires. 1102 01:23:18,117 --> 01:23:21,662 And it was all so kind of sexual and creepy at the same time. 1103 01:23:29,462 --> 01:23:35,718 A lot of people dismiss The Hunger for being nothing more than style. 1104 01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:42,141 I disagree because I think the movie is specifically about style and about emptiness. 1105 01:23:43,476 --> 01:23:49,232 What's scary about it is the disposability of relationships and how Catherine Deneuve 1106 01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:55,112 as soon as her lover becomes too old, she can't even bear to touch him or kiss him. 1107 01:23:55,404 --> 01:23:59,533 Just puts him in a box stows him in the attic moves on to the next one. 1108 01:24:00,243 --> 01:24:07,542 That's extremely horrifying and a universal horror that all of us have experienced if 1109 01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:09,961 you live long enough. 1110 01:24:23,599 --> 01:24:27,186 You don't think of Psycho as a slasher movie but that was what kicked it all off. 1111 01:24:27,478 --> 01:24:31,440 That's what inspired Halloween which inspired everything afterwards. 1112 01:24:34,318 --> 01:24:36,487 Psycho was the beginning of my love of movies. 1113 01:24:36,988 --> 01:24:41,242 It was psychological, it was visual in ways that you'd never seen before. 1114 01:24:44,078 --> 01:24:49,083 Before Norman Bates, Anthony Perkins, there wasn't a serial murderer. 1115 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:52,169 There wasn't a killer that had psychological dimension. 1116 01:24:52,670 --> 01:24:54,547 That's all Hitchcock and Joe Stefano. 1117 01:24:56,048 --> 01:25:02,054 It was inevitable that he would return in the '80s because that was an era of cinematic 1118 01:25:02,471 --> 01:25:08,019 horror that celebrated the serial killer, the slasher and he was the original, he was 1119 01:25:08,311 --> 01:25:09,604 the granddaddy of them all. 1120 01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:17,028 Richard Franklin came to me, an Aussie director who'd done Road Games and said let's do Psycho 2 1121 01:25:17,528 --> 01:25:20,239 and I said you are crazy. 1122 01:25:20,781 --> 01:25:24,201 This is prior to sequels being a way of life in the movie business. 1123 01:25:24,493 --> 01:25:29,040 Nobody wanted to do it because you knew you were going to get ripped apart by the critics. 1124 01:25:29,623 --> 01:25:35,212 In Psycho 2 Norman Bates was afforded a great deal of humanity and sympathy. 1125 01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:37,298 He's been released from prison. 1126 01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:44,263 He served his time, gone through his therapy and he sincerely kind of apologetic for having 1127 01:25:44,764 --> 01:25:47,683 snapped and killed all of those women and his mother. 1128 01:25:48,184 --> 01:25:54,523 And he's just trying to make a go of it, trying sincerely to be the best version of himself 1129 01:25:55,149 --> 01:25:57,610 but society won't let him be. 1130 01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:08,037 And so, they turn him into a monster again so by the end of that movie he is sort of 1131 01:26:08,537 --> 01:26:11,374 returned back to square one. 1132 01:26:13,834 --> 01:26:19,256 Everybody's dying around him but he doesn't kill anybody but we don't know that to the end. 1133 01:26:19,757 --> 01:26:24,261 He finally does kill somebody, this little old lady who had missed that she's his mother 1134 01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:28,891 and she's been doing some of the killings and he serves her poisoned tea. 1135 01:26:29,725 --> 01:26:35,898 And as she starts to gag and die in the poisoned tea, he picks up a shovel and brings it smashing 1136 01:26:36,315 --> 01:26:37,692 down on the back of her head. 1137 01:26:40,486 --> 01:26:45,199 And it's the first time that he's killed in the entire movie and you realize that 1138 01:26:45,491 --> 01:26:47,702 he's totally now totally insane. 1139 01:27:01,465 --> 01:27:07,054 I remember having to audition and screen test for a movie off this giant book that intimidated 1140 01:27:07,388 --> 01:27:08,055 the crap out of me. 1141 01:27:08,347 --> 01:27:11,600 I was supposed to read before I auditioned and was like this is a movie about a mom 1142 01:27:12,268 --> 01:27:14,061 and a kid are stuck in a car with this dog? 1143 01:27:14,478 --> 01:27:16,272 It's like oh, yeah, that's actually pretty scary. 1144 01:27:17,481 --> 01:27:19,984 For 2/3 of the movie it's two people in a car, right? 1145 01:27:20,317 --> 01:27:23,487 If you get out,you're dead and if you stay in like no one's going to find you and you're dead. 1146 01:27:23,863 --> 01:27:25,990 And it's sort of like the original Escape Room. 1147 01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:32,538 Anytime we put a young kid in a scary story it really brings it home because you never 1148 01:27:32,913 --> 01:27:37,418 want harm to come to a child and I think that resonates on a biological level with every 1149 01:27:37,835 --> 01:27:38,586 human being. 1150 01:27:40,379 --> 01:27:42,590 I was more terrified of Cujo than I was of werewolves. 1151 01:27:43,132 --> 01:27:45,259 The terror felt real, the panic felt real. 1152 01:27:45,968 --> 01:27:50,765 You could feel the heat, the stifling stagnancy of being inside that car with them and the 1153 01:27:51,265 --> 01:27:53,392 desperation of well, how do you get out of this? 1154 01:27:53,684 --> 01:27:57,229 And as an adult it's interesting because now I watch it and I feel kind of bad now for 1155 01:27:57,521 --> 01:28:01,775 Cujo where as a kid I was like you know, screw that dog and like now, I'm like oh, 1156 01:28:02,109 --> 01:28:04,153 but he got bit and I feel bad for him now. 1157 01:28:04,445 --> 01:28:07,406 So, it's interesting but as a kid Cujo was terrifying. 1158 01:28:07,823 --> 01:28:13,037 And I think that's what makes Stephen King's stuff so great is that he knew how to prey 1159 01:28:13,496 --> 01:28:16,373 on your fears and it wasn't always the same fears. 1160 01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:32,431 Sleepaway Camp is such a great little film because you're not expecting a lot from it, 1161 01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:36,060 you're thinking oh, it's another campground killer film. 1162 01:28:37,186 --> 01:28:42,233 It's mostly like younger kids that are getting killed and that's such a big no-no today. 1163 01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:47,112 It's really scary. It's really done well. It's got some amazing effects for such a small 1164 01:28:47,446 --> 01:28:50,282 little film and it's just really entertaining. 1165 01:28:52,785 --> 01:28:54,453 Sleepaway Camp breaks all the rules. 1166 01:28:54,954 --> 01:28:59,124 It's an upside-down slasher and I think that's part of its appeal. 1167 01:28:59,416 --> 01:29:00,918 All the males are sex objects. 1168 01:29:01,377 --> 01:29:06,382 Look at those camp counselors in those booty shorts that cut off all the circulation in 1169 01:29:06,674 --> 01:29:08,425 their you know genitalia. 1170 01:29:09,134 --> 01:29:10,970 The females in the movie are all monsters. 1171 01:29:13,055 --> 01:29:17,017 And of course, it has that final shot that's one of the most memorable moments in all of 1172 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,644 horror history. 1173 01:29:19,019 --> 01:29:21,981 I remember watching it with a bunch of friends for the first time. 1174 01:29:22,481 --> 01:29:24,149 We knew nothing about it. 1175 01:29:24,441 --> 01:29:28,696 Before the internet was spoiling everything and back then we had no idea. 1176 01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:32,241 We are like hey, this Sleepaway Camp a horror movie in the woods and we're watching it 1177 01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:34,368 and enjoying it and then the end came. 1178 01:29:34,827 --> 01:29:37,413 Me and all my friends were just, ”What?" 1179 01:29:54,346 --> 01:30:00,352 Christine came along after The Thing and it was a Stephen King novel haunted car movie. 1180 01:30:00,936 --> 01:30:02,396 It just seemed right to do. 1181 01:30:02,730 --> 01:30:04,690 Do we live on? Do we have a spirit? 1182 01:30:05,065 --> 01:30:08,068 Can it live on in a 1958 Plymouth Fury? 1183 01:30:08,611 --> 01:30:11,780 That was taken on by Carpenter and he made it his own. 1184 01:30:12,364 --> 01:30:16,577 It's so lean, it's mean, it really gets to the nitty-gritty of what you would want out of 1185 01:30:16,911 --> 01:30:18,537 a movie about a killer car. 1186 01:30:18,996 --> 01:30:23,000 And I think Keith Gordon actually gives one of the best performances that we've ever seen 1187 01:30:23,375 --> 01:30:25,419 in a horror movie of the '80s. 1188 01:30:32,259 --> 01:30:38,599 There's a scene in Christine where the bullies had just destroyed the car and the kid is 1189 01:30:39,141 --> 01:30:45,898 standing in front of the car and he says, "Show me" and just the music kicks in and it's like... 1190 01:30:46,565 --> 01:30:47,566 Show me. 1191 01:30:50,694 --> 01:30:52,655 Christine put itself back together again. 1192 01:30:53,322 --> 01:30:59,953 We had to figure out how that worked and was convincing so we pull the car in and shoot 1193 01:31:00,329 --> 01:31:01,497 it in reverse. 1194 01:31:01,872 --> 01:31:06,669 We've got hooks on the car and you just crush it and then in reverse, it opens - 1195 01:31:07,711 --> 01:31:08,796 it becomes. 1196 01:31:09,338 --> 01:31:10,839 It worked out pretty well for us. 1197 01:31:13,133 --> 01:31:18,597 It's an amazing effect for something so simple but it's done so well and matching that up 1198 01:31:19,098 --> 01:31:20,182 with his score. 1199 01:31:20,557 --> 01:31:21,642 It just works perfectly. 1200 01:31:21,934 --> 01:31:23,352 I'm getting like goosebumps thinking about it. 1201 01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:24,520 It's so good. 1202 01:31:29,942 --> 01:31:32,653 I never wanted to work in 3D. 1203 01:31:33,404 --> 01:31:36,198 It's just a gimmick deal, it always has been. 1204 01:31:36,657 --> 01:31:43,789 I was always intrigued about what 3D could be and I'm still waiting for it. 1205 01:31:44,707 --> 01:31:48,836 The first 3D horror movie I saw was actually one of the 1950's classics, Creature from 1206 01:31:49,169 --> 01:31:50,129 the Black Lagoon. 1207 01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:52,381 The Gill Man had a huge impact on me as a kid. 1208 01:31:54,967 --> 01:31:57,761 3D lasted only a very short time in the 1950s. 1209 01:31:58,387 --> 01:32:01,974 There was this revival of 3D that began with the movie Comin' At Ya! 1210 01:32:03,726 --> 01:32:08,564 That kind of kicked off this whole wave of new 3D movies that were done in the 1980s. 1211 01:32:09,106 --> 01:32:12,151 Producers saw this as one more way to make a little more money. 1212 01:32:12,609 --> 01:32:17,614 You had a number of franchises that happened to be up to their third sequel. 1213 01:32:18,115 --> 01:32:22,453 So, it just seemed to make sense that hey, we'll do version 3D. 1214 01:32:22,953 --> 01:32:26,790 I like where things come at you, popcorn comes at you, harpoon comes at you, 1215 01:32:27,541 --> 01:32:28,834 and it was spectacular. 1216 01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:34,214 Really notable first off because this was the first time that Jason Voorhees actually 1217 01:32:34,631 --> 01:32:36,091 put on the hockey mask. 1218 01:32:36,759 --> 01:32:39,678 Every few minutes something pokes you in the eye. 1219 01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:46,769 There are so many 3D moments in this movie they find reasons for characters to have yo-yos 1220 01:32:47,311 --> 01:32:52,065 and baseball bats and all kinds of fun stuff that they can stick into the camera and then 1221 01:32:52,483 --> 01:32:54,860 there are some really great 3D deaths. 1222 01:33:00,574 --> 01:33:05,454 It messed with the storytelling because you had to wait for the 3D gag so people go oh, look 1223 01:33:05,746 --> 01:33:06,705 there at the machete. 1224 01:33:06,997 --> 01:33:10,375 There's a character who gets speared on a pitchfork. 1225 01:33:13,629 --> 01:33:18,634 Probably the greatest moment in the film is when Jason squeezes a character's head so 1226 01:33:18,967 --> 01:33:22,179 hard that the guy's eye pops out right into the camera. 1227 01:33:25,099 --> 01:33:29,645 The first horror 3D movie in the '80s wave was Parasite. 1228 01:33:33,649 --> 01:33:38,779 It marked one of the first screen appearances by a very young Demi Moore. 1229 01:33:39,404 --> 01:33:41,406 I have a pair of Parasite glasses here. 1230 01:33:42,032 --> 01:33:44,284 It was shown in polarized 3D. 1231 01:33:44,868 --> 01:33:47,788 Directed by Charlie Band released by Embassy Pictures. 1232 01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:56,588 This is a promotional kit that they put out for the movie, a pop-up promo that shows you 1233 01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,131 the Parasite. 1234 01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:11,478 Also released in 1982 was a picture called Rottweiler also known as Dogs of Hell or Rottweiler 1235 01:34:11,770 --> 01:34:12,771 The Dogs of Hell. 1236 01:34:13,397 --> 01:34:19,570 Genetically modified dogs that have been trained to be military weapons that end up in this 1237 01:34:20,195 --> 01:34:22,739 small North Carolina town where they go on a killing spree. 1238 01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,202 These are Rottweiler glasses. 1239 01:34:29,454 --> 01:34:35,669 3D can enhance a good movie but if you're already starting with a dog the 3D isn't gonna 1240 01:34:36,128 --> 01:34:37,504 really do much for it. 1241 01:34:40,966 --> 01:34:45,345 Amityville 3-D came out in 1983 directed by Richard Fleischer. 1242 01:34:45,762 --> 01:34:48,849 An early screen role for Meg Ryan. 1243 01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:53,562 There's a pit in the basement that apparently leads to hell. 1244 01:34:53,937 --> 01:34:56,481 There are some really good 3D moments in the movie. 1245 01:34:57,190 --> 01:35:02,029 And the pipe comes right through the windshield and ends up sticking right into your face. 1246 01:35:02,988 --> 01:35:07,868 There's a swarm of flies that's sort of composited in and meant to look like it's coming off the screen. 1247 01:35:10,871 --> 01:35:17,002 The moment that everyone remembers, this demon pops up through the hole in the basement floor and 1248 01:35:17,502 --> 01:35:18,962 grabs one of the characters. 1249 01:35:21,048 --> 01:35:26,845 The big three of the '80s 3D horror films were the ones that were all the third sequels. 1250 01:35:27,137 --> 01:35:32,267 So, the studios found interesting ways to promote these 3D movies and Jaws 3-D was no exception. 1251 01:35:32,976 --> 01:35:36,563 Another pop-up where the shark comes right at you. 1252 01:35:36,855 --> 01:35:38,732 The third dimension is terror. 1253 01:35:39,066 --> 01:35:42,778 Which I think this would have been a better movie if it wasn't called Jaws and they just 1254 01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:46,865 called it like Sharks in 3D or a Shark Attack - Coming at You. 1255 01:35:47,574 --> 01:35:53,247 Young Lea Thompson made one of her first screen appearances as one of the water skiers 1256 01:35:53,622 --> 01:35:54,831 who gets attacked by the shark. 1257 01:35:55,707 --> 01:36:00,003 The plot takes place at this aquarium sort of Sea World kind of place. 1258 01:36:00,587 --> 01:36:05,801 Probably the best 3D moment in the movie the shark has already eaten Simon MacCorkindale 1259 01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:07,761 and he was holding a hand grenade. 1260 01:36:08,178 --> 01:36:12,808 The arm with the hand grenade is still in the shark's mouth so they reach in and pull 1261 01:36:13,183 --> 01:36:19,856 the pin and the grenade goes off, blows up the shark and all these shark bits come flying 1262 01:36:20,274 --> 01:36:23,360 right at the camera including the shark's jaws. 1263 01:36:25,362 --> 01:36:32,619 Having a giant, bloody underwater explosion in 3D that may be why I give that 3D movie a pass. 1264 01:36:32,911 --> 01:36:38,542 I don't think that the 3D really helped any of these movies improve their box office. 1265 01:36:39,001 --> 01:36:42,421 For the most part the studios were using it just as a gimmick. 1266 01:36:43,046 --> 01:36:48,927 I should note that in 1991 the sixth movie in The Nightmare on Elm Street franchise 1267 01:36:49,219 --> 01:36:52,889 Freddy's Dead, the big climax of the movie was a 3D sequence. 1268 01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:58,937 It's kind of a shame that they waited until the sixth movie to do it rather than having a 1269 01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,649 A Nightmare on Elm Street 3D back when they could have. 1270 01:37:21,251 --> 01:37:25,922 Children of the Corn has taken from the Nightshift Stephen King short story and stars a pre-30 1271 01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:29,968 something Peter Horton and pre-Terminator Linda Hamilton as they find themselves in 1272 01:37:30,344 --> 01:37:33,722 the wrong the Nebraska town at the wrong time with the wrong kids. 1273 01:37:38,977 --> 01:37:43,648 If you're a kid who grew up in the '80s and somebody says to you Malachi or Malachi you 1274 01:37:44,066 --> 01:37:45,609 knew exactly what they meant. 1275 01:37:46,443 --> 01:37:48,320 Malachi. 1276 01:37:53,033 --> 01:37:58,705 The idea that kids would band together to kill an entire community of adults at the 1277 01:37:59,039 --> 01:38:01,917 behest of this other entity, that's horrific. 1278 01:38:02,417 --> 01:38:08,048 I never saw people my age as a threat and that was a movie where I realized like oh, 1279 01:38:08,465 --> 01:38:10,675 people my age can do horrible things. 1280 01:38:16,932 --> 01:38:20,018 In the whole movie they're talking about he who walks behind the rows and when you finally 1281 01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:24,689 see him it's just a big mound of Earth that's moving around and its actually kind of impressive 1282 01:38:25,065 --> 01:38:26,775 for 80's effects. How'd they do that? 1283 01:38:27,692 --> 01:38:32,030 The effects in the climax are kind of cheesy but if you're a King completist there's enough 1284 01:38:32,406 --> 01:38:33,657 in here to make it worthwhile. 1285 01:38:34,074 --> 01:38:39,413 It goes back to Lord of the Flies kind of the same type of story - kids unsupervised are evil. 1286 01:38:40,038 --> 01:38:41,957 It's automatically scary. 1287 01:38:53,635 --> 01:38:57,389 In the fourth installment of Friday the 13th we get Joseph Zito directing a new cast of 1288 01:38:57,722 --> 01:39:02,102 fresh meat ready for slaughter by Jason who's now in his full hockey mask mode after picking 1289 01:39:02,477 --> 01:39:03,979 up his new look in the last installment. 1290 01:39:04,271 --> 01:39:09,317 It's a great cast that features Kimberly Beck, Peter Barton and Corey Feldman as Tommy Jarvis 1291 01:39:09,860 --> 01:39:11,945 who's a recurring character that we will see two more times. 1292 01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:16,825 It's also got a pre-Back to the Future Crispin Glover who's got the best dance moves I've 1293 01:39:17,117 --> 01:39:18,702 ever seen this side of Footloose. 1294 01:39:19,578 --> 01:39:23,540 Crispin's dance is just one of the greatest moments ever. 1295 01:39:24,124 --> 01:39:26,126 He gives it his all and I appreciate that. 1296 01:39:26,543 --> 01:39:29,963 Amazing, like one of the greatest scenes in all of cinema history. 1297 01:39:33,175 --> 01:39:35,927 I don't know if anyone could do that dance but it's something like... 1298 01:39:41,308 --> 01:39:43,310 It's something like that. I don't know man. 1299 01:39:43,852 --> 01:39:44,728 Ask him. 1300 01:39:50,066 --> 01:39:55,614 I love that little Corey who was obsessed with like monster masks and he has his little computer 1301 01:39:56,114 --> 01:39:59,951 like whoo, he's like a monster nerd like me. That's pretty cool. 1302 01:40:01,411 --> 01:40:05,790 Ted White takes on the Jason Voorhees chopping chores and I know everyone loves Kane Hodder 1303 01:40:06,082 --> 01:40:09,085 and so do I but Ted White might be my favorite Jason. 1304 01:40:10,337 --> 01:40:14,925 Little monster man found courage and took Jason out in a big way. 1305 01:40:15,217 --> 01:40:17,010 I mean who knew shaving your head would have that effect? 1306 01:40:17,594 --> 01:40:18,094 Corey did. 1307 01:40:24,476 --> 01:40:28,355 The effects work of that machete going into the side of Jason's head and then he falls 1308 01:40:28,647 --> 01:40:30,857 on it and his head like slides down the machete. 1309 01:40:31,149 --> 01:40:34,361 That has got to be some of my favorite special effects in any horror movie. 1310 01:40:34,861 --> 01:40:36,780 I love that machete face slide man. 1311 01:40:43,203 --> 01:40:47,123 So, there was a kid in the candy store kind of thing happening in the early '80s with Stephen King adaptations. 1312 01:40:47,499 --> 01:40:49,167 Everybody's got to do a Stephen King adaptation. 1313 01:40:49,459 --> 01:40:52,379 We're going to do The Shining, we're going to do Christine, we're going to do Cujo 1314 01:40:52,879 --> 01:40:55,215 and Firestarter was part of that wave. 1315 01:40:59,928 --> 01:41:04,391 John Carpenter decides he wants to make Firestarter because it's got an anti-authoritarian streak in it, 1316 01:41:05,183 --> 01:41:07,936 it's a road movie and he's a westerns guy so he loves that. 1317 01:41:08,228 --> 01:41:11,231 It's got a father-daughter dynamic - an emotional core. 1318 01:41:11,648 --> 01:41:12,566 He's super excited about that. 1319 01:41:13,108 --> 01:41:14,568 But The Thing was received poorly. 1320 01:41:14,943 --> 01:41:18,071 The Thing bombed and John Carpenter got Firestarter taken away from him as a result. 1321 01:41:18,905 --> 01:41:24,953 Universal fired me from Firestarter because by the time The Thing came out the horror movie 1322 01:41:25,245 --> 01:41:26,955 market at that time had shrunk. 1323 01:41:27,247 --> 01:41:30,125 Teenage boys who couldn't get in, they were too young. 1324 01:41:30,542 --> 01:41:32,168 That was the market for horror films. 1325 01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:35,755 You couldn't do a big budget horror movie, you had to do a little tiny one. 1326 01:41:36,339 --> 01:41:38,174 And I couldn't do Firestarter that way. 1327 01:41:38,675 --> 01:41:42,178 Dino De Laurentiis comes in, puts in I think Mark Lester as the director. 1328 01:41:42,804 --> 01:41:48,268 Firestarter has its moments and all of the behind the scenes stuff can't take away from 1329 01:41:48,852 --> 01:41:52,022 those exchanges between Drew Barrymore and David Keith. 1330 01:41:52,355 --> 01:41:56,067 George C. Scott is in there doing his whole crazy ponytail blind eye thing and it's 1331 01:41:56,359 --> 01:41:57,235 a lot of fun to watch. 1332 01:41:57,819 --> 01:42:01,406 Art Carney and Louise Fletcher as the kindly couple. 1333 01:42:02,198 --> 01:42:06,161 It's really well cast, it's a nice-looking film and the pyro effects are pretty good too. 1334 01:42:06,453 --> 01:42:08,622 It's just, I will always lament what could have been. 1335 01:42:16,421 --> 01:42:19,841 Gremlins made a huge impression on me. 1336 01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:27,015 It took place at Christmas and the father gets the gremlin for his son as a gift. 1337 01:42:27,432 --> 01:42:29,684 That influenced me with Child's Play. 1338 01:42:30,393 --> 01:42:36,274 The obvious takeaway for me personally was the animatronics and just how sophisticated 1339 01:42:36,733 --> 01:42:37,651 they were. 1340 01:42:38,068 --> 01:42:41,363 Those puppets Gizmo, Stripe etc... 1341 01:42:41,821 --> 01:42:44,157 They all had distinct personalities. 1342 01:42:44,783 --> 01:42:52,123 It became obvious to me with that film, there's nothing that a writer could write that a good 1343 01:42:52,499 --> 01:42:57,796 animatronics team and team of puppeteers couldn't actually put on camera. 1344 01:43:00,590 --> 01:43:02,926 Gremlins is a kind of an anarchic movie. 1345 01:43:03,301 --> 01:43:08,473 It started out as a low-budget horror film because Spielberg wanted to create his first movie 1346 01:43:08,807 --> 01:43:12,644 for Amblin and he wanted to do it in a genre that he knew would be successful. 1347 01:43:13,019 --> 01:43:17,524 But as the picture went on and he got studio backing for it, it became apparent that it 1348 01:43:18,066 --> 01:43:20,694 was going to have a smaller audience the more gruesome it was. 1349 01:43:21,111 --> 01:43:22,320 We shot material we didn't use. 1350 01:43:22,779 --> 01:43:25,281 There are shots missing in the kitchen where morn stabs the gremlin with a knife, 1351 01:43:25,782 --> 01:43:28,410 There was a shot of the gremlin writhing with a knife in him. They took that out. 1352 01:43:28,827 --> 01:43:33,373 When Glynn Turman, the science teacher gets killed by the gremlin in the movie you just 1353 01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:37,001 see his rear end with one needle in it but in what we shot was his entire face covered 1354 01:43:37,377 --> 01:43:38,336 with needles like Hellraiser. 1355 01:43:38,712 --> 01:43:43,049 Once you look at what you've got, you say well, okay, what kind of movie is this becoming? 1356 01:43:43,758 --> 01:43:48,054 And it was obvious that this was a much more whimsical movie than a slasher horror movie and 1357 01:43:48,430 --> 01:43:52,892 so we toned all that stuff down and even then, got lots of criticism for like you're making 1358 01:43:53,268 --> 01:43:56,020 a horror film for children, it's horrible. But kids like it. 1359 01:43:56,938 --> 01:43:59,190 And it's remained remarkably popular. 1360 01:43:59,691 --> 01:44:03,403 The problem with the Gremlins was that we were inventing the technology as we went and so 1361 01:44:03,987 --> 01:44:06,740 many things that were called for in the script were impossible to do. 1362 01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:13,830 Gizmo, the little fuzzy character who originally was supposed to turn into Stripe the bad gremlin and 1363 01:44:14,456 --> 01:44:18,209 then at the last moment Steven Spielberg got the brilliant idea which I am convinced is 1364 01:44:18,501 --> 01:44:21,713 one of the reasons the picture still is popular that Gizmo should be in the whole picture 1365 01:44:22,088 --> 01:44:26,384 and he should be a hero's pal and we had no way of making him work. 1366 01:44:26,926 --> 01:44:30,889 He was made to run for one reel and then all of a sudden it was like now he's the star of the movie. 1367 01:44:31,514 --> 01:44:35,393 So we had to do a lot of quick R&D to try to figure out how to make him a character. 1368 01:44:36,478 --> 01:44:40,356 The one scene that was really complicated was the scene in the bar with Phoebe Cates. 1369 01:44:40,899 --> 01:44:44,277 We had to have her there and so we waited and shot it at the end of the picture after 1370 01:44:44,569 --> 01:44:48,948 everybody had gone home and we just spent one week in this bar with these puppets soaked 1371 01:44:49,324 --> 01:44:51,910 with beer and popcorn, making up gags basically. 1372 01:44:52,285 --> 01:44:53,870 Well, what would happen if there was a flasher gremlin? 1373 01:44:54,412 --> 01:44:56,331 What would happen if there was a Frank Sinatra gremlin? 1374 01:44:56,873 --> 01:44:58,500 And it took forever. 1375 01:44:59,042 --> 01:45:01,920 I mean it was really a long time and the smell... 1376 01:45:02,378 --> 01:45:04,881 I can't tell you how awful it smelled. 1377 01:45:14,808 --> 01:45:20,313 Of the three great slasher villains of the '80s, Michael, Jason and Freddy people argue who's better. 1378 01:45:20,939 --> 01:45:24,567 There's no question that the best character was Freddy Krueger. 1379 01:45:25,151 --> 01:45:30,698 Wes Craven created a well-rounded villain that comes out of the nightmares of children. 1380 01:45:31,574 --> 01:45:34,035 He's a child molester who can also kill. 1381 01:45:34,536 --> 01:45:36,246 There's nothing scarier than that. 1382 01:45:36,788 --> 01:45:38,498 Wes was a visionary. 1383 01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:40,583 A Nightmare on Elm Street was so brilliant. 1384 01:45:41,042 --> 01:45:46,130 It came at the right time when the slasher film was really starting to get a little tired. 1385 01:45:46,506 --> 01:45:50,385 All of a sudden it just wasn't a guy running around with a knife killing people. 1386 01:45:50,844 --> 01:45:53,304 That really changed the direction of horror films. 1387 01:45:54,180 --> 01:45:59,310 The reason I think that it has such a powerful effect on people it's because there's not 1388 01:45:59,602 --> 01:46:02,897 one person that doesn't have a dream but doesn't have a nightmare. 1389 01:46:03,356 --> 01:46:05,400 So, it was a reality there. 1390 01:46:06,317 --> 01:46:10,697 Wes Craven was a very well-read and intellectual person. 1391 01:46:11,197 --> 01:46:18,413 I would say every scene has a much greater significance philosophically and a worldview 1392 01:46:18,705 --> 01:46:22,876 that talks about the loss of innocence, how you approach fear, 1393 01:46:23,334 --> 01:46:28,047 the subconscious and the power it has over everything that we do. 1394 01:46:28,631 --> 01:46:34,846 I don't know of any other character that has the wits and the intelligence that Freddy has. 1395 01:46:35,263 --> 01:46:38,308 When I read the script, it didn't occur to me that he was that evil. 1396 01:46:38,683 --> 01:46:40,810 Like oh my God, this is hideous. 1397 01:46:42,562 --> 01:46:47,483 I think Tina's death scene might be the one scene that makes Nightmare on Elm Street not 1398 01:46:47,775 --> 01:46:49,527 only really scary but really great. 1399 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:56,993 It was so sad and heartbreaking that when I saw it, I realized like wow, we're in a totally different league. 1400 01:47:00,246 --> 01:47:04,542 And there were shots that were shot that Wes didn't include that just went over the top 1401 01:47:04,834 --> 01:47:10,548 and I think Wes realized they can't go between the young girl's legs more than once in a movie. 1402 01:47:11,257 --> 01:47:18,848 He does that in my bathtub scene which was completely like crazy at the time to think of that 1403 01:47:19,182 --> 01:47:28,816 shot. The camera just where it's located was extremely provocative and menacing but also it was 1404 01:47:29,233 --> 01:47:37,575 definitely raising the bar for kind of the sexuality and brazenness of that young girl situation. 1405 01:47:38,576 --> 01:47:44,916 So, Nancy Thompson as a character is incredibly virtuous but she's by no means perfect but 1406 01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:50,463 I think the virtue she embodies the most is her ability to face fear which everyone is 1407 01:47:51,089 --> 01:47:53,883 struggling to do that every day of their lives, right? 1408 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:05,812 Robert Englund, everything he did was studied and measured and he did it for a reason. 1409 01:48:06,312 --> 01:48:12,652 He used the glove really carefully and it was always choreographed exactly when he would 1410 01:48:13,069 --> 01:48:15,530 open up his fingers when he would clank them together. 1411 01:48:17,115 --> 01:48:19,492 He was just so generous as an actor. 1412 01:48:20,076 --> 01:48:23,579 He never wanted to be in the spotlight ironically. 1413 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,541 It backfired obviously on him because everyone's watching Freddy. 1414 01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:48,646 You want to think if everybody was gone that you would figure out a way to survive. 1415 01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,525 Tom Everhart when he was writing this, he took some of his daughter's friends out and 1416 01:48:52,817 --> 01:48:55,403 he said okay, it's the end of the world what would you do? 1417 01:48:55,695 --> 01:48:58,906 And this is a lot of stuff that they told him that they would do. 1418 01:49:00,533 --> 01:49:03,661 He swears to God that this is not a social commentary. 1419 01:49:05,747 --> 01:49:07,290 Of course it's a social commentary. 1420 01:49:07,707 --> 01:49:08,624 It was a low-budget movie. 1421 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,626 I thought this script was very funny. 1422 01:49:10,918 --> 01:49:13,838 I had no idea we were going to end up encapsulating the '80s. 1423 01:49:16,841 --> 01:49:21,054 It put me in bright colors because I was the last thing alive that was pretending like 1424 01:49:21,596 --> 01:49:22,680 everything was okay. 1425 01:49:23,181 --> 01:49:28,811 It was red and fuchsia and turquoise and they had Catherine Mary Stewart who played my sister 1426 01:49:29,228 --> 01:49:31,522 in drab outfits because she knew what had happened. 1427 01:49:31,856 --> 01:49:34,692 All those fashions, I mean that's just what we wore. 1428 01:49:35,818 --> 01:49:40,323 They built that cheerleading outfit for me so that it fit like a glove first of all because 1429 01:49:40,698 --> 01:49:41,699 cheerleading outfits... 1430 01:49:41,991 --> 01:49:44,660 The one I wore in Fast Times at Ridgemont High did not fit me that way. 1431 01:49:47,872 --> 01:49:48,998 Cheerleader with an Uzi. 1432 01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:51,542 I don't know that I can explain that. 1433 01:49:51,959 --> 01:49:54,003 When I did it, it made perfect sense to me. 1434 01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:56,964 In that scene where I start to cry. We're gonna cut that scene. 1435 01:49:57,298 --> 01:49:58,716 That's her arc. 1436 01:49:59,008 --> 01:50:02,595 That is the point when she admits that she knows, because at one point they were just 1437 01:50:03,012 --> 01:50:04,097 going to kill her. 1438 01:50:04,597 --> 01:50:06,099 She's just going to be annoying and she was going to die. 1439 01:50:06,641 --> 01:50:10,186 They went no, because she's like one of the most relatable characters. 1440 01:50:12,396 --> 01:50:17,819 There's a magic on a movie where everything could be right but it just lays there flat 1441 01:50:18,611 --> 01:50:25,076 and then you can have unknowns and $5 to make something with and just the chemistry or whatever 1442 01:50:25,451 --> 01:50:29,580 weird thing that is... boom! And that's why I think we all love it. 1443 01:50:35,044 --> 01:50:43,803 One of the most scary things about horror movies is having this villain who you can't 1444 01:50:44,428 --> 01:50:47,223 reason with and you're sure that you're going to die. 1445 01:50:47,765 --> 01:50:48,808 They're going to kill you. 1446 01:50:49,267 --> 01:50:53,604 Oh, there were so many villains in the '80s cannon that you were really into. 1447 01:50:53,980 --> 01:50:57,775 I gravitated to a little bit of the silly so I thought the Critters were really cool. 1448 01:50:58,067 --> 01:50:59,026 Gremlins were cool. 1449 01:50:59,318 --> 01:51:00,528 I always loved monsters. 1450 01:51:02,822 --> 01:51:05,741 The Tall Man kind of came into his own in the '80s, didn't he? 1451 01:51:06,033 --> 01:51:09,829 Phantasm always had that kind of cult status but when Phantasm 2 came around 1452 01:51:10,121 --> 01:51:11,164 that was rock and roll. 1453 01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,172 '80s horror was a good time for villains because it started to get a little heightened. 1454 01:51:19,630 --> 01:51:22,133 It started to get a little cartoonish and maybe little campy, a little colorful. 1455 01:51:22,925 --> 01:51:24,135 Greg Stillson in the Dead Zone. 1456 01:51:24,844 --> 01:51:26,304 He's very much on my mind these days. 1457 01:51:26,929 --> 01:51:33,728 I love the one-two punch of Dr. Hill from Re-Animator and Dr. Pretorius from Beyond. 1458 01:51:34,145 --> 01:51:38,774 Real old-school almost Karloff-like in the way that they come across. 1459 01:51:39,650 --> 01:51:42,278 Norman Bates is a guy who lives next door. 1460 01:51:43,321 --> 01:51:50,453 Leatherface, Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, they were all exaggerations and they were 1461 01:51:50,912 --> 01:51:52,538 mythologized Slashers. 1462 01:51:53,122 --> 01:51:56,209 In the case of Freddy Krueger, he was burned in a fire and is scarred. 1463 01:51:56,834 --> 01:52:02,131 And Jason Voorhees also horribly scarred but hidden behind a hockey mask. 1464 01:52:02,965 --> 01:52:08,721 And Leatherface is literally wearing the faces of victims that he killed. But in Norman Bates 1465 01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:15,853 he's the boy next door but capable of the most horrendous murders to protect himself 1466 01:52:16,145 --> 01:52:17,355 and his family. 1467 01:52:17,813 --> 01:52:22,276 He was a little mad and we all go a little mad sometimes 1468 01:52:22,777 --> 01:52:25,363 was his motto and it should be his T-shirt. 1469 01:52:26,906 --> 01:52:31,869 Mentally unstable people with childhood traumas who then manifest those traumas into real 1470 01:52:32,245 --> 01:52:33,454 life horror shows. 1471 01:52:33,913 --> 01:52:37,750 For me Norman Bates was kind of a real reflection of things that could happen and that is scary. 1472 01:52:38,376 --> 01:52:43,214 My favorite '80s villain is Edward Herrmann from Lost Boys. 1473 01:52:44,340 --> 01:52:47,260 It was M. Night Shyamalan before M. Night Shyamalan. 1474 01:52:47,718 --> 01:52:51,889 It was that twist where you're like, ”Nooo... 1475 01:52:52,348 --> 01:52:56,852 Out of nowhere, he is the main vampire. What the fuck?!" 1476 01:52:57,395 --> 01:53:03,943 You watch that movie now with that knowledge and it changes everything. 1477 01:53:04,610 --> 01:53:10,074 Everybody else is just so overt in their evil whereas he... he's the cunning guy. 1478 01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:14,870 If the killer wasn't over the top then the kills were. 1479 01:53:22,837 --> 01:53:26,299 The Friday the 13th films are the backbone of horror in the '80s. 1480 01:53:26,882 --> 01:53:31,637 The fact that there were so many of them in the '80s, that's pretty impressive. 1481 01:53:31,971 --> 01:53:35,266 Audiences wanted that character back so many times. 1482 01:53:35,933 --> 01:53:41,856 Throughout the series of the films the makeup is completely different but you know what? 1483 01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:44,191 The fans don't give a shit. 1484 01:53:44,859 --> 01:53:51,866 They just want to see Jason again and that's why there has been twelve Friday the 13th films 1485 01:53:52,408 --> 01:53:57,121 basically and they got to do one more. 1486 01:53:57,830 --> 01:54:00,583 Michael Myers has spanned over several films now. 1487 01:54:01,042 --> 01:54:02,335 It's evil personified. 1488 01:54:02,752 --> 01:54:07,548 Yes, you could go off all day about how the sequels are and whether you like Part 5 1489 01:54:07,965 --> 01:54:13,721 or 6 or whatever or the Rob Zombie films or anything but still that character just remains. 1490 01:54:14,013 --> 01:54:19,143 It's an iconic image that just is part of the Horror Hall of Fame. 1491 01:54:20,311 --> 01:54:22,355 The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. 1492 01:54:22,688 --> 01:54:27,568 There's me and Freddy and whatever and whatever that come out and that people just loved to 1493 01:54:28,569 --> 01:54:31,030 revisit the characters and stuff like that. 1494 01:54:31,447 --> 01:54:33,949 This is what made them happy. 1495 01:54:37,453 --> 01:54:42,583 Pinhead's like an incredible character in those movies because he's genuinely terrifying. 1496 01:54:42,958 --> 01:54:48,214 I mean here is a guy that has like a hundred nails stuck in his head, comes from hell, 1497 01:54:48,839 --> 01:54:55,012 dressed in like BDSM leather outfit and just wants to play with you until you've been ripped 1498 01:54:55,388 --> 01:54:56,097 to pieces. 1499 01:54:57,890 --> 01:55:03,813 He's not hiding around a corner waiting to jump out on you with the stiletto blade. 1500 01:55:04,563 --> 01:55:06,399 There's a whole process that goes on here. 1501 01:55:07,066 --> 01:55:11,904 You have to be interested in the idea of exploring pain and pleasure. 1502 01:55:12,405 --> 01:55:17,827 You have to have the right motivation behind the thumbs to make Pinhead ultimately interested 1503 01:55:18,244 --> 01:55:24,792 in you even then he wants to stop and discuss the weather and the price offish with you. 1504 01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:31,340 It's the dark dirty corners of your mind and your heart and your soul that he's really 1505 01:55:31,841 --> 01:55:32,716 interested in. 1506 01:55:33,092 --> 01:55:34,844 Then we might get down to the hooks and the chains. 1507 01:55:37,888 --> 01:55:40,057 The '80s spawned a lot of franchises. 1508 01:55:40,516 --> 01:55:47,898 I mean Chucky was kind of a badass bad dude and super funny and fun to hate. 1509 01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:57,324 Chucky hides in plain sight. 1510 01:55:57,992 --> 01:56:03,205 He just sits in the scene with all of the other characters and they have no idea that 1511 01:56:03,706 --> 01:56:06,834 there is a ticking bomb in the room with them. 1512 01:56:09,378 --> 01:56:11,005 Who was the better antagonist? 1513 01:56:11,505 --> 01:56:14,091 Jason, Michael Myers or Freddy? 1514 01:56:14,758 --> 01:56:21,056 In my opinion there's no question the most complex and the most well-written of the three 1515 01:56:21,515 --> 01:56:23,142 is definitely Freddy Krueger. 1516 01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,687 How do you not love Freddy Krueger too? 1517 01:56:27,021 --> 01:56:32,943 I mean come on, he started out as something different in the first movie then they moved 1518 01:56:33,235 --> 01:56:34,028 away from that. 1519 01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:40,451 He killed children and yet we held him up on this pedestal and there were dolls and like 1520 01:56:41,035 --> 01:56:43,787 all these things that were for kids, marketed for kids. 1521 01:56:44,121 --> 01:56:45,414 A talking Freddy doll. 1522 01:56:45,789 --> 01:56:47,208 This is a child killer people. 1523 01:56:51,921 --> 01:56:57,051 Obviously, he runs the gamut from being really scary to being really corny across all the 1524 01:56:57,343 --> 01:56:58,260 different films. 1525 01:57:03,015 --> 01:57:10,481 But Robert Englund really brought a sense of style and charisma and just this attitude 1526 01:57:10,814 --> 01:57:11,607 to this character. 1527 01:57:12,107 --> 01:57:20,115 I respect how hard it is to create an iconic figure and marketing it to kids is the best 1528 01:57:20,407 --> 01:57:24,620 way to do that and certainly with Freddy that is a giant piece of his successes. 1529 01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:31,043 The marketing, the records, the gloves, the shirts, the hats, the costumes the... 1530 01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:34,004 Gosh, you can buy a onesie that has Freddy on it. 1531 01:57:34,463 --> 01:57:39,093 You can buy so much with Freddy on it and that really was the key to his success. 1532 01:57:39,385 --> 01:57:42,388 And then everybody else were like oh, there's the formula for that. 1533 01:57:43,222 --> 01:57:51,480 And the hockey masks, the chainsaws, it all becomes this big marketing extravaganza and 1534 01:57:51,981 --> 01:57:56,652 it works to make iconic characters, it really does work. 1535 01:58:14,295 --> 01:58:16,380 Company of Wolves is magical. 1536 01:58:17,172 --> 01:58:21,468 It takes little red riding-hood and turns it into something really provocative and Freudian. 1537 01:58:21,885 --> 01:58:26,056 It has to do with red dresses and menstrual bleeding and werewolves. 1538 01:58:28,183 --> 01:58:33,856 In this one the wolf head emerges out of the human mouth and that transformation takes 1539 01:58:34,273 --> 01:58:37,401 place in a totally different manner than you've seen before. 1540 01:58:37,943 --> 01:58:44,241 It's still makeup effects and it's still puppetry and change-o head type technology but in a 1541 01:58:44,533 --> 01:58:45,618 totally different way. 1542 01:58:46,118 --> 01:58:48,412 It's a really special movie that not enough people have seen. 1543 01:58:48,954 --> 01:58:51,206 Company of Wolves was I thought a really interesting movie. 1544 01:58:51,665 --> 01:58:55,294 I was a little miffed when Neil Jordan said he didn't want to make a piece of shit like The Howling. 1545 01:58:55,711 --> 01:58:59,256 So, it kind of prejudiced me a little bit but it's a good movie. 1546 01:59:12,811 --> 01:59:16,106 The Stuff which is a blob movie basically 1547 01:59:16,565 --> 01:59:21,153 is about killer yogurt and it eats you. 1548 01:59:22,321 --> 01:59:26,867 It manages to be hilarious and scary at the same time. 1549 01:59:33,666 --> 01:59:38,212 It's a comment on consumer society except you're not consuming the stuff out of the can 1550 01:59:38,504 --> 01:59:40,673 the stuff out of the can is consuming you. 1551 01:59:42,675 --> 01:59:43,884 It's terrific. 1552 01:59:44,551 --> 01:59:49,348 If you want to make a movie about American industry producing products that poison 1553 01:59:49,723 --> 01:59:54,353 the public that would be a wonderful movie but nobody would go to see it. 1554 01:59:55,354 --> 01:59:59,942 Then you take the same idea and you may get ice cream that they're putting out in the 1555 02:00:00,442 --> 02:00:05,030 marketplace that consumes you from within and now it's an entertainment movie. 1556 02:00:05,322 --> 02:00:08,283 Sell your message at the same time as you entertain. 1557 02:00:08,784 --> 02:00:14,498 The whole idea of our picture was that people go out and buy this product and eat it and 1558 02:00:14,873 --> 02:00:16,917 become addicted to it and love it. 1559 02:00:17,292 --> 02:00:19,253 So, it was about everything else that's addictive. 1560 02:00:19,962 --> 02:00:24,216 Michael Moriarty was remarkable in the first picture we did together which was Q and 1561 02:00:24,633 --> 02:00:26,301 nobody could have been better. 1562 02:00:26,844 --> 02:00:28,762 So, naturally I would want to work with him again. 1563 02:00:30,389 --> 02:00:34,685 We did the same thing as Fred Astaire and that famous dance routine where he danced 1564 02:00:35,018 --> 02:00:35,936 on the ceiling. 1565 02:00:36,311 --> 02:00:39,857 They turned the room; we turned the room 360 degrees upside down. 1566 02:00:40,441 --> 02:00:43,360 The only difference is that in this one it was on fire. 1567 02:00:46,822 --> 02:00:48,449 I beat this stuff with a stick. 1568 02:00:49,158 --> 02:00:52,953 When it didn't want to do what I told it to do, I didn't care. 1569 02:00:53,412 --> 02:00:58,292 When no one was looking, I'd give it a couple of whacks and that got it's attention and 1570 02:00:58,709 --> 02:01:01,044 it pretty well did what it was told after that. 1571 02:01:02,171 --> 02:01:07,760 With actors it's one thing because they have feelings and they have agents and they have 1572 02:01:08,093 --> 02:01:11,513 lawyers but the stuff was totally mine. 1573 02:01:12,181 --> 02:01:13,599 I could beat the shit out of it. 1574 02:01:29,198 --> 02:01:34,411 My father was one of the first horror hosts in the country in Pittsburgh, his name was Chilly Billy and 1575 02:01:34,787 --> 02:01:39,041 he had a show called Chiller Theater. And Night of the Living Dead, my father was in it. 1576 02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:43,295 George was a master and he was always ahead of his time. 1577 02:01:43,587 --> 02:01:48,050 As everybody says a giant of a man, a tall teddy bear. 1578 02:01:48,425 --> 02:01:52,429 He was approachable, he loved the actors, he gave us freedoms. 1579 02:01:57,226 --> 02:01:59,728 Sarah was holding it tight, trying to hold it together. 1580 02:02:00,103 --> 02:02:01,104 She had to hold it together. 1581 02:02:01,522 --> 02:02:05,567 She was a scientist trying to figure this out how to deal with all these jerk guys in the military. 1582 02:02:13,909 --> 02:02:17,913 She had warmth and compassion but mostly you don't get to see that. 1583 02:02:18,372 --> 02:02:20,666 You see her harder exterior. 1584 02:02:21,708 --> 02:02:26,296 At the time people were trying to compare Day of the Dead to Dawn of the Dead. 1585 02:02:26,588 --> 02:02:27,798 It was a completely different movie. 1586 02:02:28,215 --> 02:02:31,635 They were very disappointed and it was too talky 1587 02:02:31,969 --> 02:02:34,346 they would say or not enough gore although at the end 1588 02:02:34,763 --> 02:02:37,224 Tom Savini and his crew did a beautiful job. 1589 02:02:38,350 --> 02:02:41,478 The practical special effects on Day of the Dead are remarkable. 1590 02:02:43,605 --> 02:02:48,694 Greg Nicotero was a young guy on the show and he was like 19 years old but obviously 1591 02:02:49,152 --> 02:02:49,903 very talented. 1592 02:02:53,073 --> 02:03:00,080 Dawn of the Dead changed my life forever just in terms of never knowing where George was going to take us. 1593 02:03:05,586 --> 02:03:09,840 I was basically Tom's assistant so I ran the department for him and ordered all the 1594 02:03:10,215 --> 02:03:12,801 supplies, hired the crew, all that kind of stuff. 1595 02:03:13,385 --> 02:03:17,723 He always wanted to use real intestines as often as we could. 1596 02:03:18,223 --> 02:03:21,810 You can't get better than the real thing so we would use pig intestines. 1597 02:03:23,228 --> 02:03:27,190 The big showstopper in Day of the Dead is when Rhodes is torn apart. 1598 02:03:33,989 --> 02:03:37,910 The culmination of everything that we did in that movie led to that moment. 1599 02:03:38,577 --> 02:03:44,291 Then they just have a feast on his guts and his body and his fingers and his mostly the 1600 02:03:44,666 --> 02:03:45,918 guts inside. 1601 02:03:47,127 --> 02:03:52,007 When we shot that scene, we used rancid rotted intestines. 1602 02:03:52,466 --> 02:03:57,346 And I remember a couple of the zombies actually took earplugs and stuffed them up their noses 1603 02:03:57,721 --> 02:03:59,014 because the smell was so bad. 1604 02:03:59,598 --> 02:04:05,020 When George yells cut everybody's doing this to wave the smell of the rotting intestines 1605 02:04:05,437 --> 02:04:06,813 away from Joe Pilato's face. 1606 02:04:07,272 --> 02:04:09,900 We didn't know any better to just go out and buy new guts. 1607 02:04:10,484 --> 02:04:12,402 We didn't want to spend the 8O bucks I guess I don't know. 1608 02:04:14,071 --> 02:04:17,783 I think that the gore in Day of the Dead is actually very appropriate. 1609 02:04:18,283 --> 02:04:21,453 It's over-the-top at the end of course it is, that's George's humor. 1610 02:04:21,912 --> 02:04:24,623 That's what was so remarkable about George's films. 1611 02:04:24,915 --> 02:04:26,959 They get better and better with age. 1612 02:04:46,645 --> 02:04:49,356 Hot off the success of his Psycho 2 screenplay. 1613 02:04:49,731 --> 02:04:53,068 Tom Holland wrote and directed Fright Night and took everyone by surprise. 1614 02:04:53,694 --> 02:04:59,157 It left the great movie monsters behind and I wrote Fright Night in reaction to that and 1615 02:04:59,616 --> 02:05:05,205 also because I had grown up loving the Hammer AIP vampire films. 1616 02:05:05,664 --> 02:05:06,873 I love Christopher Lee. 1617 02:05:07,332 --> 02:05:12,379 It stars William Ragsdale, Amanda Bearse, Stephen Geoffreys and Roddy McDowall opposite 1618 02:05:12,796 --> 02:05:14,006 Chris Sarandon. 1619 02:05:15,007 --> 02:05:19,469 What you do is to have a gonzo horror fan look out the window and see his next-door 1620 02:05:19,761 --> 02:05:22,597 neighbor a vampire chomping down on somebody. 1621 02:05:22,973 --> 02:05:26,601 And then of course, if he's a horror movie fan running around saying vampire, vampire 1622 02:05:26,893 --> 02:05:27,519 next door. 1623 02:05:27,894 --> 02:05:29,563 Nobody's going to believe him. 1624 02:05:33,191 --> 02:05:35,569 You can't make the villain all bad. 1625 02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:41,616 You have to add the ambivalence where there are saving graces to the villain to make him 1626 02:05:41,908 --> 02:05:43,577 a three-dimensional character. 1627 02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:48,582 He's been given eternal life but he always loses the one he loves. 1628 02:05:52,794 --> 02:05:58,008 Roddy McDowall kills it as Peter Vincent who's a B-movie horror host named after Peter Cushing 1629 02:05:58,341 --> 02:06:01,678 and Vincent Price and he's forced to take on the real deal. 1630 02:06:07,225 --> 02:06:11,104 It was a cool movie that actually had a sense of history as well. 1631 02:06:11,605 --> 02:06:12,606 It had everything you wanted. 1632 02:06:13,148 --> 02:06:18,737 There was great gore, there were hints of nostalgia with McDowell and that kind of hit 1633 02:06:19,154 --> 02:06:20,405 towards the Hammer movies. 1634 02:06:21,156 --> 02:06:28,246 I had the best effects crew extant in Hollywood at that moment and Fright Night is full of 1635 02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:30,582 in-camera effects. 1636 02:06:33,794 --> 02:06:37,672 There's that final scene where Charlie and Peter Vincent confront Jerry Dandrige in the 1637 02:06:37,964 --> 02:06:39,633 basement and Amy gets in the way. 1638 02:06:40,383 --> 02:06:43,845 And she says Charlie you told me that you'd save me. 1639 02:06:47,724 --> 02:06:51,937 And then she comes back to him and when she came back to him, I realized there was a huge 1640 02:06:52,270 --> 02:06:53,605 scare that was there. 1641 02:06:54,022 --> 02:06:58,735 I went to Steve Johnson and I said Steve give her a shark's mouth that will scare the hell 1642 02:06:59,152 --> 02:07:00,612 out of every kid. 1643 02:07:04,825 --> 02:07:09,412 Then it ends up being the definitive image on the one street and has become cosplay. 1644 02:07:09,788 --> 02:07:10,372 Yes. 1645 02:07:10,747 --> 02:07:11,790 Who knew? 1646 02:07:24,177 --> 02:07:29,850 The Return of the Living Dead I think is such a great horror comedy because it never stops 1647 02:07:30,350 --> 02:07:34,688 being horrifying but it's so gut-bustingly funny. 1648 02:07:39,317 --> 02:07:43,363 I remember a very significant moment of watching The Return of the Living Dead when they brain 1649 02:07:43,822 --> 02:07:48,034 the thing and it doesn't work because then everything you think you know is out the window. 1650 02:07:48,368 --> 02:07:51,872 And it's one of the first maybe meta zombie movies that's playing with those expectations 1651 02:07:52,247 --> 02:07:54,457 where they take a moment to explain all the rules that they learn from watching 1652 02:07:54,916 --> 02:07:55,792 Night of the Living Dead. 1653 02:07:56,293 --> 02:07:58,211 I'd thought you said if we destroyed the brain it'd die? 1654 02:07:58,795 --> 02:08:01,173 It worked in the movie. Well, it ain't working now Frank. 1655 02:08:01,506 --> 02:08:02,757 You mean the movie lied? 1656 02:08:03,550 --> 02:08:07,387 And then when those rules don't apply to the situation you're in, it suddenly becomes... 1657 02:08:07,929 --> 02:08:09,264 very anything could happen. 1658 02:08:13,435 --> 02:08:16,188 They weren't the mindless flesh eaters. 1659 02:08:16,646 --> 02:08:20,859 They were fast, they were smart, they were not what you were expecting. 1660 02:08:21,234 --> 02:08:23,069 They're killing the paramedics; They're killing the cops. 1661 02:08:23,695 --> 02:08:28,658 And one of them gets on the CB radio and is like ”Send more cops." 1662 02:08:31,286 --> 02:08:35,790 And it's just hilarious because you've never seen that in a zombie movie before. 1663 02:08:38,043 --> 02:08:39,753 The Tarman scene, 1664 02:08:40,045 --> 02:08:43,548 I remember looking at it and thinking I had no idea how they did it because something 1665 02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,092 so specific is happening with the anatomy of that thing. 1666 02:08:46,426 --> 02:08:49,721 It's just one of those accidentally iconic moments of horror with the design, 1667 02:08:50,096 --> 02:08:52,140 with the actor, with the way he was carrying himself. 1668 02:08:52,682 --> 02:08:54,184 It's an indelible image of '80s horror. 1669 02:08:54,893 --> 02:08:59,356 That woman corpse that they cut in half, it was made by a friend of mine Tony Gardner 1670 02:08:59,731 --> 02:09:02,025 who has done Chucky for the last few movies. 1671 02:09:02,484 --> 02:09:08,782 They tie her down and have this conversation with her. They say, "Why do you want brains?" 1672 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:10,075 And she says... 1673 02:09:10,700 --> 02:09:14,246 "It makes the pain go away." 1674 02:09:14,871 --> 02:09:18,667 That to me is one of the most horrifying concepts 1675 02:09:18,959 --> 02:09:23,964 I've ever heard in a horror movie and so hilarious at the same time. 1676 02:09:24,589 --> 02:09:26,549 I find that movie fascinating. 1677 02:09:36,893 --> 02:09:38,770 What can I say about Howling 2? 1678 02:09:39,187 --> 02:09:41,898 I can say that Christopher Lee apologized to me for being in it. 1679 02:09:42,357 --> 02:09:47,904 I can say that to whatever Phillippe Mora was thinking, I don't think it probably got on film. 1680 02:09:48,363 --> 02:09:53,785 It does have however Sybil Danning's dropping her dress 72 times during the end credits 1681 02:09:54,202 --> 02:09:55,453 which you know, that counts for something. 1682 02:09:55,870 --> 02:09:57,914 The problem with Howling 2 is that it just doesn't make any sense. 1683 02:09:58,581 --> 02:10:03,378 Particularly in that it completely blows the ending of Howling 1 in which the newscaster 1684 02:10:03,753 --> 02:10:07,966 turns into a werewolf in front of the entire TV audience and then in Howling 2 nobody saw it. 1685 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,136 It's like it must have been the lowest rated newscast in history. 1686 02:10:11,469 --> 02:10:14,514 And it was shot in Transylvania or someplace like that. Ferdy Mayne is in it. 1687 02:10:14,973 --> 02:10:18,351 I mean there are things about it that are interesting but it just doesn't make any sense at all. 1688 02:10:31,197 --> 02:10:35,535 When Stephen King focuses in on small-town stories that's what I love as a fan. 1689 02:10:36,036 --> 02:10:39,998 Well, Silver Bullet was done by Dan Attias who was one of my assistant directors. 1690 02:10:40,332 --> 02:10:40,915 It's a werewolf picture. 1691 02:10:41,374 --> 02:10:43,376 Another one of those movies '80s movies with a kid hero. 1692 02:10:43,877 --> 02:10:48,006 Yeah, it's a pretty affecting movie because a lot of these movies much like I Was a Teenage 1693 02:10:48,381 --> 02:10:53,970 Werewolf are parables about adolescence and Silver Bullet it fits into that category I think much 1694 02:10:54,262 --> 02:10:57,057 more so than like something like The Howling or An American Werewolf. 1695 02:10:57,599 --> 02:10:59,601 The Coreys were kind of everything in the 1696 02:10:59,976 --> 02:11:04,314 Silver Bullet was my first-time seeing Corey Haim in anything and I just fell in love with that kid. 1697 02:11:04,689 --> 02:11:07,984 And I thought there was something very special about him in that movie. 1698 02:11:08,276 --> 02:11:13,531 And of course, Gary Busey, he knows Uncle Red with all his little Uncle Red-isms, you know? 1699 02:11:17,035 --> 02:11:20,747 And it made me scared of the dark again because there's something out there. 1700 02:11:21,039 --> 02:11:25,001 Everett McGill as Reverend Lowe it's such a great performance. 1701 02:11:27,253 --> 02:11:32,133 And it's interesting to me that in that movie he didn't even have to be the guy in the werewolf 1702 02:11:32,717 --> 02:11:35,512 costume but he did it because he was so method. 1703 02:11:53,071 --> 02:11:56,783 I had no idea that Re-Animator would become a cult classic. 1704 02:11:57,158 --> 02:12:01,079 We needed to find a way to separate our film from so many of the others because everyone 1705 02:12:01,454 --> 02:12:02,664 was making horror films then. 1706 02:12:03,123 --> 02:12:07,752 Basically, Lovecraft doing his version of Frankenstein it's about someone who has a 1707 02:12:08,169 --> 02:12:10,755 dream that's a very positive thing that turns awful. 1708 02:12:18,096 --> 02:12:19,973 It's sort of like be careful what you wish for. 1709 02:12:20,306 --> 02:12:24,144 The idea of bringing the dead back to life is something we all wish that we could do. 1710 02:12:24,602 --> 02:12:28,356 I like movies where the heads talk and The Brain That Wouldn't Die. 1711 02:12:29,023 --> 02:12:32,777 I just think there's something about that that's real horror to me. 1712 02:12:33,611 --> 02:12:36,448 Herbert West, he's so full of himself. 1713 02:12:42,203 --> 02:12:47,792 And yet we can't help but like him because he's so enthusiastic and he always makes a 1714 02:12:48,168 --> 02:12:50,128 choice you didn't guess it. 1715 02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:56,968 I think the unsung power of Stuart is his storytelling ability. 1716 02:12:57,343 --> 02:13:00,722 Stuart's gloriously outrageous, he just goes for it. 1717 02:13:01,139 --> 02:13:03,308 It's big and it's brave. 1718 02:13:07,228 --> 02:13:11,024 So, we had to invent a female character for Re-Animator and we invented the dean's 1719 02:13:11,441 --> 02:13:14,235 daughter Megan Halsey that Barbara Crampton plays in the film. 1720 02:13:14,777 --> 02:13:18,615 And of course, the scene that got all the attention is the scene in which we sometimes 1721 02:13:18,990 --> 02:13:20,366 call it the head gives head scene. 1722 02:13:20,700 --> 02:13:22,911 We knew that no one was going to do a scene like this. 1723 02:13:23,369 --> 02:13:27,499 It was a funny thing that they were doing, this visual pun. 1724 02:13:27,957 --> 02:13:32,837 And I thought I can't turn this down because of this moment on screen that I'm going to 1725 02:13:33,213 --> 02:13:34,047 have to do. 1726 02:13:34,506 --> 02:13:41,095 If I knew then what I know now I don't know if I would have been able to go through with 1727 02:13:41,471 --> 02:13:43,181 what I went through on Re-Animator. 1728 02:13:43,681 --> 02:13:45,517 It was quite exploitive. 1729 02:13:45,975 --> 02:13:48,186 It was really groundbreaking in a way. 1730 02:13:48,686 --> 02:13:51,814 That scene is still shocking and taboo. 1731 02:13:52,607 --> 02:13:59,781 The fortunate thing is it stopped before it really gets bad. 1732 02:14:00,114 --> 02:14:02,075 It just goes right up to the edge there. 1733 02:14:02,575 --> 02:14:07,247 There wouldn't be Re-Animator without that damsel in distress like that. 1734 02:14:07,789 --> 02:14:09,249 We wouldn't be talking about it. 1735 02:14:09,958 --> 02:14:17,423 Stuart Gordon's maybe signature achievement in horror is the ironic tone, the over-the-top 1736 02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,133 pleasure of the horror. 1737 02:14:19,634 --> 02:14:20,593 The fun of it. 1738 02:14:20,927 --> 02:14:27,183 He brought kind of an experience to Re-Animator that showed that a cheap horror movie 1739 02:14:27,642 --> 02:14:28,685 can be really good. 1740 02:14:29,143 --> 02:14:33,022 I honestly thought no one will ever see this bloody thing. 1741 02:14:33,398 --> 02:14:34,524 What did I know? 1742 02:14:42,282 --> 02:14:43,616 Ash played by Bruce Campbell. 1743 02:14:44,075 --> 02:14:49,080 He was one of the first actors who become famous in horror for playing a hero rather than a villain. 1744 02:14:54,210 --> 02:14:59,591 Horror stars from the 30s on down through to Vincent Price and Christopher Lee etc... 1745 02:14:59,966 --> 02:15:02,760 were tended to be known for playing the monsters, the villains. 1746 02:15:03,261 --> 02:15:07,015 The male horror stars were known for being the antagonists and Bruce Campbell's a little 1747 02:15:07,307 --> 02:15:08,057 different. 1748 02:15:09,851 --> 02:15:13,813 He was the Bruce Willis of horror. 1749 02:15:14,272 --> 02:15:20,028 He was just that every man who was like stuck in a situation that was way out of his league. 1750 02:15:20,403 --> 02:15:22,655 He just said screw it, I'm not going to die. 1751 02:15:30,330 --> 02:15:34,375 He was known for being the guy fighting back against the evil so that made him kind of 1752 02:15:34,792 --> 02:15:36,252 unique in horror history. 1753 02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:46,095 Every boy in the world must have wanted to be Kurt Russell in The Thing. 1754 02:15:47,555 --> 02:15:51,559 He battles an alien creature in sub-zero temperatures. 1755 02:15:58,733 --> 02:16:02,153 He's still badass all the way through even after everything he's been through. 1756 02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:07,408 Tom Holland's Fright Night. 1757 02:16:07,742 --> 02:16:11,162 I always wanted to be like kind of a mix between Charlie Brewster and Evil Ed 1758 02:16:11,746 --> 02:16:15,875 where I wanted to be the super horror nerdy kid but I also wanted the girlfriend. 1759 02:16:19,712 --> 02:16:20,755 In Phantasm 2, 1760 02:16:21,130 --> 02:16:25,551 Reggie Bannister is a likable, relatable character because he's basically playing himself. 1761 02:16:29,555 --> 02:16:32,684 He talks that way off set, "Hey, dude, man how is it going?" 1762 02:16:33,518 --> 02:16:35,061 He's the same way. 1763 02:16:35,395 --> 02:16:37,188 I think that's why people like him. 1764 02:16:43,861 --> 02:16:45,196 Tom Atkins is awesome. 1765 02:16:46,155 --> 02:16:47,740 He's always like a reliable presence. 1766 02:16:48,241 --> 02:16:51,619 You see him turn up and a lot of Carpenter stuff and then Romero borrows him for Creepshow 1767 02:16:51,994 --> 02:16:53,913 and then he's in Night of the Creeps as the cop. 1768 02:16:54,372 --> 02:16:55,289 He's great. 1769 02:16:58,042 --> 02:17:00,253 'Mo' Rutherford from The Stuff. 1770 02:17:00,545 --> 02:17:02,964 He is awesome. 1771 02:17:03,464 --> 02:17:07,093 On first glance you're like this guy's kind of a scumbag and he plays himself a little 1772 02:17:07,385 --> 02:17:12,807 like aloof but then as the movie goes on you really fall in love with him because you see 1773 02:17:13,182 --> 02:17:14,350 where he's coming from. 1774 02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:25,027 A lot of people will misunderstand him and think 1775 02:17:25,445 --> 02:17:29,282 that he's the doofus but really, he's outsmarting everyone. 1776 02:17:29,741 --> 02:17:31,117 He's such a good character. 1777 02:17:31,576 --> 02:17:36,122 So, when I think of '80s specifically and heroes, I think of movies like The Monster Squad and 1778 02:17:36,414 --> 02:17:37,415 The Lost Boys. 1779 02:17:37,707 --> 02:17:39,459 These are movies that I could relate to as a kid. 1780 02:17:40,293 --> 02:17:42,503 It's these cool kids that I wanted as my friends. 1781 02:17:42,962 --> 02:17:43,796 I wanted that tree-house. 1782 02:17:44,297 --> 02:17:45,339 I wanted that club. 1783 02:17:45,631 --> 02:17:50,303 Like I really wanted to have a Monster Club and ride around on my bike and try to actually 1784 02:17:50,678 --> 02:17:52,472 take out monsters if I could find them. 1785 02:17:53,139 --> 02:17:54,766 In Lost Boys you've got the Frog Brothers. 1786 02:17:55,224 --> 02:17:57,810 They hung out at this comic shop and they were vampire killers. 1787 02:17:58,227 --> 02:17:59,771 I was like man, this is me. I've got my bike. 1788 02:18:00,313 --> 02:18:02,940 After this movie I'm going to go ride around with my friends and try to recreate these things. 1789 02:18:04,650 --> 02:18:10,156 In the '80s the central character certainly Friday the 13th and Nightmare, and Halloween, 1790 02:18:10,531 --> 02:18:16,329 you started to see really strong women who start out to be victims possibly but at some 1791 02:18:16,746 --> 02:18:18,289 point, it turns. 1792 02:18:18,706 --> 02:18:20,416 They find a way to win the day. 1793 02:18:20,708 --> 02:18:22,794 Some guy doesn't come in and save them. 1794 02:18:24,295 --> 02:18:26,422 Yeah, it was not a time for kick-ass guys. 1795 02:18:26,714 --> 02:18:28,466 It was a time for kick-ass gals. 1796 02:18:28,966 --> 02:18:31,385 And it wasn't about women running away from fear. 1797 02:18:31,803 --> 02:18:33,346 It was about women confronting it. 1798 02:18:33,638 --> 02:18:37,266 The '80s was a great decade for women and I think people just sort of misconstrued what 1799 02:18:37,558 --> 02:18:39,894 horror was trying to say about female characters. 1800 02:18:45,650 --> 02:18:50,154 So many people who look at the genre outside they think it's just about victimizing women 1801 02:18:50,530 --> 02:18:55,535 and I think they think it's about basically living out these like lurid fantasies of violence 1802 02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:56,911 against women. 1803 02:18:57,537 --> 02:19:03,084 But for me as a kid growing up watching '80s horror it was about watching women persevere. 1804 02:19:03,459 --> 02:19:06,379 Horror has a love-hate relationship with women. 1805 02:19:06,963 --> 02:19:13,010 They glorify it but at the same time completely objectifying and slashing the girl in the nightgown. 1806 02:19:14,053 --> 02:19:16,138 So, there's something going on there. 1807 02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:19,475 I don't know what it is. What is it? 1808 02:19:20,601 --> 02:19:22,728 I love Jamie Lee Curtis in the original Halloween. 1809 02:19:23,312 --> 02:19:26,065 You think she's just a babysitter... Oh, no. 1810 02:19:28,526 --> 02:19:33,531 She has a quality of both being tender and strong at the same time and that's a very 1811 02:19:34,031 --> 02:19:35,449 attractive combination. 1812 02:19:36,117 --> 02:19:40,621 How she became iconic I think is that when she survives, she's there to protect the young 1813 02:19:40,955 --> 02:19:45,501 ones that she's in charge of and she survives trying to save other people too. 1814 02:19:46,252 --> 02:19:50,006 She was very vulnerable but still strong enough to fight back. 1815 02:19:50,882 --> 02:19:56,596 She was a fighter and so that was also something to aspire to. But I can sort of hook in to 1816 02:19:57,054 --> 02:20:02,351 the idea of like oh, yeah, I'm a fighter too and I can stand up for myself and I can take care 1817 02:20:02,643 --> 02:20:04,687 of myself and I can be brave. 1818 02:20:05,521 --> 02:20:09,400 So, there's a lot of that in there that I think is really cool for women and for everyone. 1819 02:20:09,901 --> 02:20:13,487 The beauty of being a woman in horror is you're an action figure. 1820 02:20:13,946 --> 02:20:17,909 You're running, you're jumping, you're playing, you're proactive, you're taking command of 1821 02:20:18,534 --> 02:20:24,206 plot situations and scenes that women in ordinary movies don't get to do. 1822 02:20:24,665 --> 02:20:28,461 For as much as people like to look down on say the Friday 13th movies when you really 1823 02:20:28,878 --> 02:20:34,425 look at it, Friday 2 was about Ginny and it was about Amy Steel being smarter than every 1824 02:20:34,717 --> 02:20:35,885 other person at that camp. 1825 02:20:36,385 --> 02:20:38,596 And she knew how to get into Jason's head. 1826 02:20:39,180 --> 02:20:42,224 She knew how to defeat the monster so to speak. 1827 02:20:46,979 --> 02:20:50,149 Barbara Crampton, the queen of low-budget horror throughout the '80s. 1828 02:20:50,524 --> 02:20:53,194 She just came across as someone that's like really strong. 1829 02:20:54,028 --> 02:20:59,283 She goes from a traditional girlfriend role in Re-Animator to the de-facto protagonist 1830 02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:03,663 of From Beyond. She becomes the seeker of that story which is a pretty cool transition. 1831 02:21:04,038 --> 02:21:08,584 Pretty emblematic of what Barbara has done with that legacy since which is pretty cool to see. 1832 02:21:14,090 --> 02:21:18,386 Somebody like Nancy Thompson who basically open arms at the end of Nightmare on Elm Street 1833 02:21:18,678 --> 02:21:21,597 is like come get me Freddy, let's do this. 1834 02:21:25,267 --> 02:21:27,478 And it was really Heather Langenkamp's movie. 1835 02:21:27,895 --> 02:21:35,778 She was an amazing force in that movie and that performance is really strong and one 1836 02:21:36,153 --> 02:21:40,157 of the best renditions of the final girl ever. 1837 02:21:43,744 --> 02:21:49,500 She creates all these traps and she plans out how she's going to trap the killer. 1838 02:21:50,084 --> 02:21:54,171 It's like some fucked up Home Alone style horror nightmare. 1839 02:21:54,839 --> 02:22:01,595 So, she decides to lay the booby traps around her house using an army manual called Booby 1840 02:22:01,887 --> 02:22:03,973 Traps and Anti-Personel Devices. 1841 02:22:04,765 --> 02:22:06,934 There's something so childlike about it that I love it. 1842 02:22:07,268 --> 02:22:08,102 It's effective. 1843 02:22:13,065 --> 02:22:16,652 And you see that now in conventions people dressing up as Nancy and drawing power from her. 1844 02:22:17,278 --> 02:22:21,824 There's like a real serious threat of women who have survived PTSD and have survived sexual 1845 02:22:22,116 --> 02:22:23,909 trauma and have gravitated to these heroes. 1846 02:22:24,535 --> 02:22:26,579 It makes perfect sense. It's amazing. 1847 02:22:27,079 --> 02:22:31,375 If you look at something like Hellraiser with Kirsty, her whole family life is just 1848 02:22:31,792 --> 02:22:36,964 one big Shakespearean mess between Julia and her Uncle Frank and her father. 1849 02:22:37,381 --> 02:22:41,594 But in the end it's her resilience that ends up sending the Cenobites back. 1850 02:22:46,432 --> 02:22:50,144 Are you going to be the type that does the wrong thing and makes the wrong decision 1851 02:22:50,728 --> 02:22:53,397 or are you going to buckle down and think it through and be a leader? 1852 02:22:55,232 --> 02:22:58,944 And I think those are our heroes and our heroines and that's who you remember. 1853 02:22:59,278 --> 02:23:03,616 You remember the final person or the final girl or the final hero or the heroine. 1854 02:23:03,949 --> 02:23:08,120 That's the leader that made a struggle, came through, but these are all just iconic 1855 02:23:08,496 --> 02:23:09,497 hero stories anyway. 1856 02:23:09,872 --> 02:23:11,499 This is just our new literature. 1857 02:23:12,958 --> 02:23:17,505 The '80s were about the people surviving the monster and somehow or another that got twisted 1858 02:23:17,838 --> 02:23:20,966 around where the monsters the star and the people were incidental. 1859 02:23:21,425 --> 02:23:24,678 And that's what the term final girl reared its head and it makes me sound like I'm 1860 02:23:25,096 --> 02:23:29,183 100 years old but I said in my day we call that the star of the movie. 1861 02:23:29,809 --> 02:23:33,729 It's almost like we had to qualify making these women the protagonist of the movie by 1862 02:23:34,063 --> 02:23:37,191 saying well, we're adhering to this formula and she's the final girl and she's a scream queen. 1863 02:23:37,691 --> 02:23:42,404 But really what you've got is a genre full of women protagonists which is pretty cool. 1864 02:23:42,822 --> 02:23:47,618 So much so that when it's a guy like Jesse in Elm Street 2 or Charlie 1865 02:23:48,035 --> 02:23:50,121 in Fright Night, it's almost an aberration. 1866 02:23:50,496 --> 02:23:52,790 Scream Queen, Final Girl, it's just fan shorthand. 1867 02:23:53,207 --> 02:23:54,708 It doesn't really mean anything to me. 1868 02:23:55,251 --> 02:23:56,418 My gender is specific. 1869 02:23:56,794 --> 02:23:57,419 I am a woman. 1870 02:23:57,878 --> 02:23:59,130 I love living my life as a woman. 1871 02:23:59,463 --> 02:24:05,970 I love living my life in horror films as a woman because the decisions and the instincts 1872 02:24:06,595 --> 02:24:09,306 and the actions I take are predicated on my gender 1873 02:24:09,974 --> 02:24:12,434 I don't act like a guy and I don't want to. 1874 02:24:12,852 --> 02:24:19,733 The fact that I'm physical, that I'm sexual, that I'm an intellectual, that I'm spiritual, 1875 02:24:20,025 --> 02:24:25,906 all of those things are grounded in the fact that I'm a woman so I don't necessarily want 1876 02:24:26,490 --> 02:24:30,828 equality of public perception or public acceptance. 1877 02:24:31,203 --> 02:24:38,252 When I think about the term final girl I wince because it's still differentiating between 1878 02:24:38,711 --> 02:24:39,837 a final boy and a final girl. 1879 02:24:40,546 --> 02:24:44,758 We're going to be judged about how we fought the monster and not because of the gender 1880 02:24:45,176 --> 02:24:46,760 that we were when we fought him. 1881 02:24:47,636 --> 02:24:53,809 Wes Craven was brave maybe to have a girl be his lead but I don't think anybody would 1882 02:24:54,226 --> 02:24:56,145 give him any credit for it today. 1883 02:24:56,770 --> 02:24:59,690 Equal opportunity ass-kicking is what I'm all for. 1884 02:25:00,691 --> 02:25:04,945 The openness of what gender means now is so wonderful. 1885 02:25:05,946 --> 02:25:10,868 It is how fluid it is and how people don't want to be identified by gender. 1886 02:25:11,202 --> 02:25:16,332 I'm so curious how this will play out in film and the horror genre. 1887 02:25:16,916 --> 02:25:22,254 I look forward to seeing more transgender more LGBTQ figures in horror and what they 1888 02:25:22,588 --> 02:25:27,343 will bring that will really bring an entirely new dimension to horror movies. 1889 02:25:27,801 --> 02:25:29,303 That's what's going to be exciting. 1890 02:25:29,803 --> 02:25:30,846 I want to see that. 1891 02:25:50,741 --> 02:25:53,786 Well, we're going to shoot at the Beverly Center and I went oh, this is going to be a 1892 02:25:54,078 --> 02:25:54,703 class act. 1893 02:25:55,246 --> 02:26:00,417 Chopping Mall is a movie with these robots in a mall that are security bots. 1894 02:26:01,043 --> 02:26:05,005 The building gets struck by lightning and it changes their algorithm and so they go 1895 02:26:05,631 --> 02:26:11,762 on a murderous rampage and there's a bunch of teenagers that are in the mall. 1896 02:26:12,304 --> 02:26:16,475 They've broken into the one store and they're all staying in there so they can drink and 1897 02:26:16,934 --> 02:26:17,810 have sex and whatnot. 1898 02:26:18,185 --> 02:26:20,938 They're then trapped in the store by the killbots. 1899 02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:22,398 It was called Robot. 1900 02:26:22,898 --> 02:26:25,442 I remember us all standing around hearing that it was going to be called Killbots 1901 02:26:25,776 --> 02:26:27,152 and we all went... 1902 02:26:28,112 --> 02:26:29,822 We didn't sign up to do Killbots. 1903 02:26:31,156 --> 02:26:32,908 Then they ran that title in it and didn't sell. 1904 02:26:33,325 --> 02:26:38,872 And when we heard it was Chopping Mall, I think that we all just died inside I guess. 1905 02:26:40,708 --> 02:26:46,005 Chopping Mall makes you think oh, people are chopped in a mall and that sounds really cool but 1906 02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:47,631 nobody got chopped at all. 1907 02:26:48,007 --> 02:26:51,969 They got lasered by the robots but I guess that's a moot point. 1908 02:26:52,678 --> 02:26:57,933 When we were all cast, we were friends in a mall having a party sort of living the movie 1909 02:26:58,350 --> 02:26:59,393 that we were making. 1910 02:27:00,019 --> 02:27:01,145 They didn't shut down the mall. 1911 02:27:01,687 --> 02:27:03,230 We had to wait for the stores to close. 1912 02:27:03,772 --> 02:27:06,317 When everybody was out of there, we set up really fast. 1913 02:27:06,650 --> 02:27:10,154 We shot until it was time for the stores to reopen. 1914 02:27:12,031 --> 02:27:14,783 Doing a movie at night, how do you even do that? 1915 02:27:15,075 --> 02:27:18,829 I've never stayed up like all night for a month in a row. 1916 02:27:19,330 --> 02:27:20,831 How am I going to sleep during the day? 1917 02:27:21,123 --> 02:27:26,128 Suzee Slater's head had to explode from being lasered by the robot. 1918 02:27:26,503 --> 02:27:29,048 That was a really cool kill. 1919 02:27:29,590 --> 02:27:30,883 If we want to get gleeful about kills. 1920 02:27:31,425 --> 02:27:33,510 My favorite kill is when I kill the killbot. 1921 02:27:41,977 --> 02:27:45,356 I definitely feel like I got the last laugh in Chopping Mall. 1922 02:28:01,955 --> 02:28:04,375 The Toxic Avenger is basically a satire. 1923 02:28:04,750 --> 02:28:07,503 The movies that Michael Herz and I have made it's all about the underdog. 1924 02:28:08,045 --> 02:28:13,133 We like comedy and we like social issues and politics and we like naked people, men and 1925 02:28:13,550 --> 02:28:16,845 women of course, and we like mixing the genres. 1926 02:28:17,221 --> 02:28:19,348 So, The Toxic Avenger is not a horror film. 1927 02:28:19,765 --> 02:28:21,016 It has elements of horror. 1928 02:28:21,350 --> 02:28:24,311 It probably has the first full head crushing scene in history. 1929 02:28:24,728 --> 02:28:28,607 The thirteen-year-old boy has his head crushed by the wheel of an automobile. 1930 02:28:34,071 --> 02:28:38,450 The MPAA made us cut I think 2O minutes out of the original Toxic Avenger. 1931 02:28:39,743 --> 02:28:43,580 The Toxic Avenger is a hideously deformed creature of superhuman size and strength. 1932 02:28:43,956 --> 02:28:46,917 His weapon unfortunately is only a mop and he can jump. 1933 02:28:47,376 --> 02:28:48,085 That's about it. 1934 02:28:48,419 --> 02:28:53,424 We thought that was amusing because the mainstream movies of that time have all sorts of super-duper 1935 02:28:53,924 --> 02:28:58,679 weapons and sound effects and special effects and we thought it would be funny just to have 1936 02:28:59,054 --> 02:28:59,680 it be a mop. 1937 02:29:00,139 --> 02:29:01,223 And the movie is an environmental movie. 1938 02:29:01,557 --> 02:29:02,891 So, what better weapon than a mop? 1939 02:29:04,518 --> 02:29:06,478 A guy wandered in here looking for a job. 1940 02:29:06,895 --> 02:29:08,397 I showed him the rough cut in the editing room. 1941 02:29:08,814 --> 02:29:11,442 He said you should call it, The First Super-Hero from New Jersey. 1942 02:29:12,192 --> 02:29:13,026 A guy off the street. 1943 02:29:13,652 --> 02:29:15,612 Great idea. People loved it. 1944 02:29:35,174 --> 02:29:36,091 They're back. 1945 02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:39,261 It's almost like they're trying to capture lightning in a bottle again but this time 1946 02:29:39,803 --> 02:29:44,391 it's the toy phone that has voices for Carol Anne as the otherworldly Poltergeist forces 1947 02:29:44,725 --> 02:29:47,144 follow the Freeling family to Phoenix, Arizona. 1948 02:29:48,187 --> 02:29:52,274 Britt director Brian Gibson was trying to make sense of this movie since Tobe Hooper 1949 02:29:52,649 --> 02:29:56,987 was out of the picture and Steven Spielberg was focused on making more serious fare like 1950 02:29:57,279 --> 02:30:01,533 Empire of the Sun with a kiddy Christian Bale and also probably wondering why the Academy 1951 02:30:02,075 --> 02:30:03,452 dissed him over The Color Purple. 1952 02:30:05,370 --> 02:30:09,541 This time they recruit Will Sampson as a Native American shaman to show the white folks how 1953 02:30:09,875 --> 02:30:11,752 to triumph over cult creatures. 1954 02:30:13,045 --> 02:30:17,508 HR Giger designed two of the film's creatures including the killer who knows what it is 1955 02:30:17,883 --> 02:30:21,011 that Steven barfs out after he swallows the worm and gets possessed. 1956 02:30:24,515 --> 02:30:26,850 But don't we all get a little possessed when we drink too much? 1957 02:30:27,309 --> 02:30:31,063 Poltergeist 2 definitely has its flaws but it's worth checking out alone just because 1958 02:30:31,438 --> 02:30:33,106 of Julian Beck as Reverend Henry Kane. 1959 02:30:33,607 --> 02:30:36,527 He's so creepy with his little hat and sing-songy voice. 1960 02:30:36,944 --> 02:30:38,654 You'll never forget that performance. 1961 02:30:46,662 --> 02:30:48,121 Next stop, Chicago. 1962 02:31:10,435 --> 02:31:16,567 Tony was probably the smartest actor that I've ever met but he had a European art film 1963 02:31:16,942 --> 02:31:17,651 sensibility. 1964 02:31:18,068 --> 02:31:22,114 So, when they came back for Psycho 3, he insisted on directing it. 1965 02:31:22,406 --> 02:31:24,074 Psycho 2 is a very respectful film. 1966 02:31:24,449 --> 02:31:26,493 It's sort of tiptoeing around a giant legacy. 1967 02:31:27,035 --> 02:31:28,745 Psycho 3 is crazy. 1968 02:31:29,329 --> 02:31:33,542 Psycho 3 is Anthony Perkins deciding that he's not going to tiptoe around that legacy 1969 02:31:33,875 --> 02:31:35,669 anymore and he's going to go to 11 with it. 1970 02:31:36,295 --> 02:31:40,966 Where Psycho 2 is very sort of measured and calm, Psycho 3 is colorful and garish and 1971 02:31:41,258 --> 02:31:43,510 weird and he bashes Jeff Fahey's 1972 02:31:43,844 --> 02:31:44,928 head in with a guitar. 1973 02:31:50,559 --> 02:31:55,314 It was sort of well-received at the time but I think Psycho 3 is due for a massive reconsideration 1974 02:31:55,731 --> 02:32:00,235 because it's Anthony Perkins grappling with this thing that he's had to live with for 1975 02:32:00,527 --> 02:32:05,198 20-some odd years at that point and decided to own it which I think is a significant moment 1976 02:32:05,490 --> 02:32:06,158 in the genre. 1977 02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:11,955 Psycho 2 and Psycho 3 are miles better than the remake of Psycho which is I wouldn't say 1978 02:32:12,372 --> 02:32:15,584 an abomination but I think it's just one of the most misguided ideas for a movie 1979 02:32:15,876 --> 02:32:16,960 I've ever heard of. 1980 02:32:17,336 --> 02:32:20,839 Not that it's terribly made or anything like that but it's just such a non-movie. 1981 02:32:21,798 --> 02:32:23,008 It's like, why? 1982 02:32:23,300 --> 02:32:25,469 And somebody said well, it's because kids won't watch black and white. 1983 02:32:26,219 --> 02:32:27,971 And you know what I say? Fuck em if they can't 1984 02:32:28,388 --> 02:32:31,558 watch black and white. You have to remake the movie with other actors? That's ridiculous. 1985 02:32:44,905 --> 02:32:49,785 What happens when a movie is made completely driven by cocaine? 1986 02:32:50,911 --> 02:32:55,415 Maximum Overdrive has Stephen King directing from his Night Shift short story Trucks. 1987 02:32:55,874 --> 02:33:00,754 His one and only time behind the camera as a director King has since said publicly that 1988 02:33:01,171 --> 02:33:03,674 he was coked out of his mind for the duration of the shoot. 1989 02:33:04,132 --> 02:33:06,343 He didn't know what he was doing and it shows. 1990 02:33:08,428 --> 02:33:10,889 Still, there's lots to love about this over-the-top movie. 1991 02:33:11,306 --> 02:33:15,560 And of course, Emilio Estevez coming off the Brat Pack and seeing him at the forefront 1992 02:33:15,936 --> 02:33:21,024 of Maximum Overdrive like look, I know it's not a great movie but boy is it fun. 1993 02:33:21,441 --> 02:33:25,696 A comet passes by bringing all machinery to life with a mind to kill naturally. 1994 02:33:26,446 --> 02:33:32,244 You have coaches getting pelted with soda cans and just ridiculous over-the-top moments. 1995 02:33:38,792 --> 02:33:42,462 It's also fun because the cast features a pre-Simpsons Yeardley Smith. 1996 02:33:44,464 --> 02:33:48,677 If it's anything great that came out of this movie it's that killer AC/ DC soundtrack. 1997 02:33:56,435 --> 02:33:58,270 I'm the biggest supporter of Maximum Overdrive. 1998 02:33:58,687 --> 02:34:04,443 People hated the movie but listen, I derive pleasure from watching that film and as well 1999 02:34:04,943 --> 02:34:09,197 as a lot of other bad movies and I think as long as I recognize those flaws and can admit that, 2000 02:34:09,489 --> 02:34:11,533 Just let me have my thing man, I like it. 2001 02:34:24,838 --> 02:34:30,343 Tommy Jarvis had his own kind of three picture arc in the Friday the 13th franchise. 2002 02:34:30,635 --> 02:34:35,515 He was played by different actors. Friday 6 begins pretty fast. 2003 02:34:35,932 --> 02:34:38,101 You got Tommy Jarvis, you got his friend and a pickup truck. 2004 02:34:38,393 --> 02:34:41,438 They're going to the grave site to go dig up Jason and make sure he's dead and I'm like, 2005 02:34:41,813 --> 02:34:43,148 why would you do that man? 2006 02:34:43,440 --> 02:34:47,819 Jason gets a resurrected in a very Universal monsters fashion with the bolt of lightning 2007 02:34:48,195 --> 02:34:49,279 and he becomes zombie Jason. 2008 02:34:49,696 --> 02:34:52,699 When Jason returns and there's all these kids at the camp, I was like, oh my God, Jason's 2009 02:34:53,074 --> 02:34:54,409 going to kill all these kids. 2010 02:34:54,785 --> 02:34:59,122 But when Tommy finally faced Jason in the lake of fire and then like he drops to 2011 02:34:59,414 --> 02:35:03,627 the bottom of lake I was like yeah man, you saved the kids. 2012 02:35:04,044 --> 02:35:07,214 That's all that mattered to me, just save the kids because I was about the same age as those 2013 02:35:07,506 --> 02:35:09,508 kids and I went to summer camp. 2014 02:35:09,925 --> 02:35:11,802 So, I didn't want Jason killing me. 2015 02:35:12,219 --> 02:35:15,138 And if I knew Tommy took care of Jason everything was going to be okay. 2016 02:35:27,901 --> 02:35:32,656 So many performances in horror in the '80s were slept on because horror was disreputable. 2017 02:35:33,406 --> 02:35:35,617 Seth Brundle is one of the great anti-heroes. 2018 02:35:35,992 --> 02:35:38,328 I mean he's a hero but he's his own worst enemy. 2019 02:35:38,829 --> 02:35:44,167 Seth Brundle's speech in The Fly about his insect politics may be the pinnacle of the decade for me. 2020 02:35:44,501 --> 02:35:51,299 Insects don't have politics. They're very brutal. 2021 02:35:52,342 --> 02:35:56,429 He's hero and villain and he's victim all-in-one. 2022 02:35:56,721 --> 02:36:00,392 But I think a horror protagonist that gets really overlooked in the '80s is Veronica from 2023 02:36:00,684 --> 02:36:01,268 The Fly. 2024 02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:06,481 She goes through a very powerful arc of falling in love of a breakup. 2025 02:36:06,773 --> 02:36:10,485 There's an abortion subplot in there which is pretty hot button for the '80s and she's 2026 02:36:10,777 --> 02:36:13,029 essentially euthanizing her life partner at the end of the film. 2027 02:36:13,488 --> 02:36:17,200 And her sobs at the end of that are maybe one of the most real moments of '80s horror 2028 02:36:17,534 --> 02:36:18,159 I've ever seen. 2029 02:36:25,876 --> 02:36:29,045 She's one of the most complex and most well-rounded women protagonists in the genre. 2030 02:36:29,379 --> 02:36:31,381 Cronenberg's always rife with allegory. 2031 02:36:31,673 --> 02:36:36,511 The Fly, he will tell you and I agree, it's not about AIDS, it's about death and dying 2032 02:36:36,803 --> 02:36:40,974 and watching someone who you love become a different person by degrees. 2033 02:36:41,516 --> 02:36:44,519 And whether that's about disease and aging or whether that's just about a relationship 2034 02:36:45,020 --> 02:36:49,107 running its course, I find The Fly to be a super powerful allegory. 2035 02:37:00,076 --> 02:37:05,165 I think what's interesting about Night of the Creeps, it's Fred Dekker's attempt at 2036 02:37:05,665 --> 02:37:10,003 making a current slasher kind of monster movie but he's still jamming some things together. 2037 02:37:10,378 --> 02:37:14,257 I mean it starts with aliens for crying out loud that get into your brain so now you've 2038 02:37:14,674 --> 02:37:20,555 got a zombie movie basically started from alien origins and Jason Lively running around 2039 02:37:20,847 --> 02:37:25,810 on prom night. It's coming of age, it's sex, it's dressing up, it's staying out late but now 2040 02:37:26,227 --> 02:37:29,898 you got to fight zombie aliens, slither monsters in your brain that have killed your 2041 02:37:30,231 --> 02:37:30,857 best friend. 2042 02:37:31,232 --> 02:37:32,901 It was just so bonkers and so '80s. 2043 02:37:33,610 --> 02:37:38,657 My personal favorite of any film that I've done. 2044 02:37:39,532 --> 02:37:43,119 It's sort of like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers only it isn't. 2045 02:37:43,662 --> 02:37:49,334 These little creeps, they look like slugs and they shoot into your mouth when you open 2046 02:37:49,668 --> 02:37:57,217 your mouth to go ah, they're in and then they eat you out inside and you're a zombie. 2047 02:37:57,759 --> 02:38:00,553 My job is to destroy them. 2048 02:38:04,641 --> 02:38:08,478 The girls are all waiting for their dates to arrive. 2049 02:38:08,853 --> 02:38:12,983 I walk to a window and I look out and I say, well girls... 2050 02:38:13,817 --> 02:38:16,027 I've got good news and bad news girls. 2051 02:38:16,736 --> 02:38:18,154 The good news is your dates are here. 2052 02:38:18,738 --> 02:38:19,698 What's the bad news? 2053 02:38:20,657 --> 02:38:21,491 They're dead. 2054 02:38:22,409 --> 02:38:23,201 They're dead. 2055 02:38:23,743 --> 02:38:26,955 Anything that Tom Atkins says in that is probably the best. 2056 02:38:27,455 --> 02:38:28,581 Creepy crawlies... 2057 02:38:29,791 --> 02:38:31,876 and a date for the formal. 2058 02:38:33,128 --> 02:38:34,546 This is classic, Spanky. 2059 02:38:35,088 --> 02:38:36,339 And of course, you got "thrill me." 2060 02:38:36,715 --> 02:38:38,133 So, that's just like what is that? 2061 02:38:39,634 --> 02:38:40,343 Thrill me. 2062 02:38:41,261 --> 02:38:41,761 Thrill me. 2063 02:38:42,721 --> 02:38:43,513 Thrill me. 2064 02:38:44,097 --> 02:38:44,806 Thrill me. 2065 02:38:45,598 --> 02:38:46,516 Thrill me. 2066 02:38:46,975 --> 02:38:49,936 That's an iconic statement that everybody knows now that we can use at anytime that 2067 02:38:50,311 --> 02:38:51,354 you want to. 2068 02:38:51,938 --> 02:38:55,358 In the bathroom scene, there's a Monster Squad easter egg. 2069 02:38:55,775 --> 02:38:59,195 On the back of the wall that was sort of I guess the week that Fred had learned that 2070 02:38:59,612 --> 02:39:03,575 Monster Squad had got a green-light and so we had his art department graffiti 2071 02:39:03,867 --> 02:39:05,785 Go Monster Squad on the back tile of that bathroom. 2072 02:39:07,245 --> 02:39:09,914 We had the best time shooting that movie. 2073 02:39:10,665 --> 02:39:19,299 The biggest treat of all is an action figure of Detective Ray Cameron with the shotgun 2074 02:39:19,758 --> 02:39:20,967 and a beer. 2075 02:39:21,843 --> 02:39:22,635 How about that? 2076 02:39:23,094 --> 02:39:25,013 Atkins - Man of action. 2077 02:39:40,653 --> 02:39:43,073 Tobe Hooper for me is a monumental figure. 2078 02:39:43,490 --> 02:39:48,495 He took risks as a filmmaker and he was making a sequel to his original classic that was 2079 02:39:48,787 --> 02:39:49,579 not lost on me. 2080 02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:52,373 Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 2081 02:39:52,707 --> 02:39:57,712 It's just those three words just had such power especially when combined. 2082 02:39:58,088 --> 02:40:03,426 But when I came out of Chainsaw, I was completely dumbfounded. lt just completely blew my mind 2083 02:40:03,718 --> 02:40:09,557 and I realized that the cure for Chainsaw was not to see it a hundred times and try 2084 02:40:09,849 --> 02:40:13,645 to dismiss it, but it was basically to join the Sawyer family. 2085 02:40:15,772 --> 02:40:18,525 He had already been hired off of a little movie 2086 02:40:18,817 --> 02:40:21,528 he had made a parody called The Texas Chainsaw Manicure. 2087 02:40:27,534 --> 02:40:32,539 A copy of it got to Tobe and Tobe hired Bill off of that film. 2088 02:40:32,831 --> 02:40:36,543 And I was shocked that Chop-Top was a big part. 2089 02:40:36,835 --> 02:40:41,548 Now the idea that Chainsaw 2 had a great sense of humor to it, I think really took people 2090 02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:42,924 by surprise. 2091 02:40:43,591 --> 02:40:49,222 One of my favorite scenes is the introduction of Chop-Top and I come in to threaten Stretch, 2092 02:40:49,722 --> 02:40:51,182 Caroline Williams, the DJ. 2093 02:40:51,641 --> 02:40:56,563 She's back on the record vault getting terrorized by Leatherface and I.G. Lou Perryman comes 2094 02:40:56,855 --> 02:41:01,818 in and l jump out of the record vault and start pounding his head in with a claw hammer. 2095 02:41:02,443 --> 02:41:04,737 The hammer itself was foam rubber. 2096 02:41:05,196 --> 02:41:08,992 When Tobe would call action, I started pounding on I.G.'s head. 2097 02:41:12,871 --> 02:41:17,417 And making up stuff like if I had a hammer and a one and a two and a three 2098 02:41:17,876 --> 02:41:18,793 and just pounding away. 2099 02:41:19,085 --> 02:41:22,964 We've done about 12 takes and Tobe goes yeah, yeah, that was great that was great. 2100 02:41:23,715 --> 02:41:25,967 Let's just do one more take. 2101 02:41:26,301 --> 02:41:29,387 I looked at Tobe and I said Tobe, "Am I doing something wrong?" 2102 02:41:29,846 --> 02:41:33,474 And he looked at me and he goes oh, hell no, Bill, I'm just having fun watching you. 2103 02:41:34,809 --> 02:41:39,439 Undoubtedly the signature moment in the whole movie is the chainsaw between my legs. 2104 02:41:39,898 --> 02:41:45,111 Considered to be at the time an anti-feminist moment, to the contrary I consider it to be 2105 02:41:45,570 --> 02:41:46,738 the quintessential feminist moment. 2106 02:41:47,405 --> 02:41:51,492 This is a woman who is being almost raped with a chainsaw with an implement. 2107 02:41:51,784 --> 02:41:56,372 She manages to take that moment in hand and turn it as much to her advantage as she can 2108 02:41:56,873 --> 02:41:58,208 saving her own life. 2109 02:41:58,750 --> 02:42:00,668 If she's killed in that moment the movie is over. 2110 02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:01,961 What does she do? 2111 02:42:02,420 --> 02:42:03,630 She's is going to go after him. 2112 02:42:04,297 --> 02:42:10,261 It sort of launches the rest of the action for the rest of the film and that crazy inverted 2113 02:42:10,803 --> 02:42:14,390 bloody, nutty trip through Oz. 2114 02:42:14,807 --> 02:42:16,809 It's one of the moments I'm proudest of. 2115 02:42:17,268 --> 02:42:21,439 At the time we shot it all I could think is I don't want my mother to see this movie. 2116 02:42:31,950 --> 02:42:37,997 In From Beyond, Stuart wanted to prove that it was going to be a more serious movie. 2117 02:42:38,665 --> 02:42:44,796 The humor element of Re-Animator perhaps took him a little bit by surprise so he wanted 2118 02:42:45,338 --> 02:42:51,094 to make sure that the tone of the next movie didn't replicate that. 2119 02:42:51,761 --> 02:42:57,767 I remember getting that note a lot that this is serious business this movie. 2120 02:42:59,352 --> 02:43:01,145 It's a very cinematic idea. 2121 02:43:01,521 --> 02:43:04,190 The idea that you can't trust your five senses. 2122 02:43:04,607 --> 02:43:07,819 That our senses are so limited, we're not even aware of all this stuff. 2123 02:43:08,236 --> 02:43:11,823 There's these other dimensions and things that are around us all the time. 2124 02:43:12,282 --> 02:43:14,242 It's a really great concept. 2125 02:43:15,034 --> 02:43:19,747 Lovecraft, he was a hypochondriac and the idea of these invisible things that are in the 2126 02:43:20,039 --> 02:43:21,791 air that can kill you. 2127 02:43:24,085 --> 02:43:27,672 In From Beyond, Barbara plays the mad scientist essentially. 2128 02:43:31,634 --> 02:43:34,762 And Jeffrey Combs is the victim in a way From Beyond reversed the roles that they played 2129 02:43:35,054 --> 02:43:36,014 in Re-Animator. 2130 02:43:37,181 --> 02:43:45,106 I was able to do a lot in that characterization in the space of one movie because of the Resonator 2131 02:43:45,523 --> 02:43:51,612 I was able to get in touch with my deep urgings and repressed feelings. 2132 02:43:51,988 --> 02:44:00,121 There's certainly more sadomasochistic kinky kind of - that the whole movie is about stimulating 2133 02:44:00,538 --> 02:44:02,915 the people's sexuality. 2134 02:44:03,333 --> 02:44:06,586 All of that pent-up comes roaring out. 2135 02:44:07,253 --> 02:44:10,214 Barbara Crampton used to say and I used to say I don't understand the expression 2136 02:44:10,673 --> 02:44:15,803 less is more and I used to say, I think it should be more is more and she said no, Stuart with you 2137 02:44:16,095 --> 02:44:17,764 it's more is not enough. 2138 02:44:18,097 --> 02:44:25,480 Look at Jeffrey Combs coming out of Pretorius's blobby figure and trying to save Katherine 2139 02:44:25,980 --> 02:44:31,527 McMichaels and then being absorbed by the monster and it was all this gooey slime. 2140 02:44:31,986 --> 02:44:37,909 I had it all over me, Jeffrey had it all over him,Ted Sorel as the monster had it on him 2141 02:44:38,493 --> 02:44:41,746 and it was just this grotesque disgusting mass. 2142 02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:48,044 And at one point the monster was like over my head and trying to absorb me and suck me 2143 02:44:48,419 --> 02:44:52,215 inside and it was a dirty business I got to say. 2144 02:44:52,590 --> 02:45:01,099 I never felt so ugly or hideous like Quasimodo in this makeup and you're in it all day. 2145 02:45:01,641 --> 02:45:06,270 Crawford has the pineal gland sticking out of his forehead. 2146 02:45:06,646 --> 02:45:11,984 Stuart used to say, well it's a red asparagus spear. 2147 02:45:12,360 --> 02:45:16,072 No, it's a dog dick, that's what it is. It's a dog dick. 2148 02:45:19,325 --> 02:45:21,411 Each movie carries its own signature. 2149 02:45:21,828 --> 02:45:26,707 It's the sounds that begin to intrude on the silence and on the darkness that create the 2150 02:45:27,125 --> 02:45:29,419 biggest element of fear in a horror film. 2151 02:45:30,002 --> 02:45:33,965 It builds the sense of anticipation that something is about to happen. 2152 02:45:34,340 --> 02:45:39,053 Sound design is really what gives the movie that kind of creepy feel. 2153 02:45:39,345 --> 02:45:45,101 For instance, just that image of Freddy in A Nightmare on Elm Street 1 walking down the alley. 2154 02:45:45,435 --> 02:45:49,439 The knives against the wall and it just like goes through you. 2155 02:45:52,692 --> 02:45:57,989 That's what creates really memorable lasting memories of movies. 2156 02:45:58,281 --> 02:45:59,198 It's not just the image. 2157 02:45:59,866 --> 02:46:02,368 It's like a bass player in a band if he does it right you never notice him but if he does it 2158 02:46:02,785 --> 02:46:04,454 wrong, you're like mad at them the whole time. 2159 02:46:05,079 --> 02:46:06,789 So, I think the sound design is the same way. 2160 02:46:07,081 --> 02:46:10,835 It's supporting this story and so you get lost in the story maybe you don't really notice 2161 02:46:11,127 --> 02:46:12,128 the sound design. 2162 02:46:13,838 --> 02:46:17,091 We talk about the point of view camera in Friday the 13th. 2163 02:46:17,467 --> 02:46:20,970 One of the things that makes that really work is that there was a sound that went with that 2164 02:46:21,262 --> 02:46:22,346 point of view. 2165 02:46:26,559 --> 02:46:33,024 Every time you were around Jason that sound would be there it'd be in the fabric of the music. 2166 02:46:39,238 --> 02:46:44,035 If you watch Friday the 13th or any movie without sound, it wouldn't be that scary 2167 02:46:44,577 --> 02:46:48,164 but oh boy you put that music in, it's everything. 2168 02:46:56,714 --> 02:47:02,553 Our first screening of Friday the 13th which was pretty much close to the final cut seemed 2169 02:47:02,970 --> 02:47:07,058 endless and so long and tedious because nothing happens 2170 02:47:07,725 --> 02:47:12,271 Cut to a month later and we had laid in the sound, we'd mix the whole thing and it became 2171 02:47:12,605 --> 02:47:14,649 exciting... same footage. 2172 02:47:15,233 --> 02:47:19,987 But somehow or other your emotions get involved because the music goes straight to your heart, 2173 02:47:20,279 --> 02:47:24,283 straight to your guts and it just, it tells you how you're supposed to feel and where 2174 02:47:24,659 --> 02:47:27,453 you're going and whether you can relax, or be afraid or whatever. 2175 02:47:32,959 --> 02:47:37,463 That's the vital, vital element of a very good score. 2176 02:47:38,631 --> 02:47:45,555 A creepy scene can be so much better with very cool music and Harry Manfredini is a genius. 2177 02:47:46,222 --> 02:47:47,765 The music delivers the drama. 2178 02:47:48,182 --> 02:47:52,520 Every film has tension, chase, kill. 2179 02:47:53,271 --> 02:47:57,149 Your job as a film composer in general you have to deliver the story. 2180 02:47:57,441 --> 02:48:02,238 Whether it's a scare or a laugh, a kill or someone crying. 2181 02:48:02,697 --> 02:48:08,494 Is it a better scare if it just jumps out at you or is it a better scare if I'm really 2182 02:48:08,911 --> 02:48:09,579 leading to it? 2183 02:48:10,037 --> 02:48:15,167 Those are actual mechanical compositional things that you deal with. 2184 02:48:16,669 --> 02:48:22,216 If you've already got the audience at a seven like they're really agitated and they're really 2185 02:48:22,675 --> 02:48:28,264 nervous, the biggest hit you're going to get is a three because you can only go to ten. 2186 02:48:28,848 --> 02:48:37,773 But if you pull the music out and you let the audience calm down then you hit, 2187 02:48:38,190 --> 02:48:44,322 then you've got a chance of getting a seven on the Richter scale of jump, ya know? 2188 02:48:49,285 --> 02:48:52,955 I think Harry doesn't get enough credit for his discofied Friday the 13th Part 3 score. 2189 02:49:01,088 --> 02:49:04,342 Well, the piece of horror music I'll always remember was John Carpenter's opening theme 2190 02:49:04,759 --> 02:49:09,263 from Halloween because I remember sitting in that theater and the lights go down and 2191 02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:13,059 that music comes on with that pumpkin on the side and that scared me. 2192 02:49:13,351 --> 02:49:14,935 Just the music got me frightened. 2193 02:49:19,982 --> 02:49:25,237 That was my first encounter with music that really set a mood and got me creeped out before 2194 02:49:25,529 --> 02:49:26,322 the movie even began. 2195 02:49:26,906 --> 02:49:31,452 Well, I don't know if John invented using the synthesizer for horror or something like that 2196 02:49:31,911 --> 02:49:34,955 but I mean he certainly capitalized on it. 2197 02:49:35,414 --> 02:49:40,294 We were both in a rock-and-roll group coming out of film school so I know his background, 2198 02:49:40,586 --> 02:49:45,091 his father was a musician and he grew up knowing how to play the piano, the guitar, the bass 2199 02:49:45,383 --> 02:49:46,342 and all kinds of things. 2200 02:49:46,759 --> 02:49:48,219 So, he's very accomplished. 2201 02:49:48,511 --> 02:49:52,515 He said he wrote that, the score to Halloween for instance I think in an afternoon. 2202 02:49:52,932 --> 02:49:58,354 He just had an idea and this 4/5 time was the clever way of approaching it. 2203 02:50:02,400 --> 02:50:07,571 If you have that skill you can think in pre-production about the music, you're thinking of 2204 02:50:07,863 --> 02:50:08,698 it when you're shooting. 2205 02:50:09,073 --> 02:50:12,159 The score then becomes a part of the life of the movie to you, I think. 2206 02:50:12,451 --> 02:50:14,328 It started out as economics. 2207 02:50:14,912 --> 02:50:19,166 When you have a little tiny budget, you don't have a budget for a big-time composer and 2208 02:50:19,667 --> 02:50:20,710 an orchestra. 2209 02:50:21,085 --> 02:50:24,797 You have to do it on a synthesizer and that, I could do it myself. 2210 02:50:25,256 --> 02:50:30,261 So, it started in Halloween and then it became a creative choice after a while. 2211 02:50:30,928 --> 02:50:35,641 Although, I worked with Ennio Morricone on The Thing and he was just a brilliant composer. 2212 02:50:36,350 --> 02:50:41,230 What they ended up with was a very Carpenteresque score that is very minimalist and 2213 02:50:41,647 --> 02:50:47,862 it's about the last thing you would have expected from the maestro Ennio Morricone and it works. 2214 02:50:55,327 --> 02:50:56,746 That's some spot-on stuff. 2215 02:50:57,163 --> 02:51:03,127 If you've seen the movie and I play you that opening, it just takes you someplace. 2216 02:51:03,419 --> 02:51:08,883 You're transported into this world that you remember from that experience. 2217 02:51:09,425 --> 02:51:13,262 And it just builds that feeling of dread, the same thing in Jaws. 2218 02:51:17,641 --> 02:51:19,435 They know how to get you. 2219 02:51:20,269 --> 02:51:25,316 After all this time I'm still moved by those different elements of craft. 2220 02:51:25,733 --> 02:51:32,364 Sound design and in composition, the differences that makes in your movie-going experience. 2221 02:51:32,782 --> 02:51:35,451 I really got into soundtrack collecting in the '80s. 2222 02:51:36,368 --> 02:51:40,289 Probably why I didn't get into pop music as much because I was collecting soundtracks 2223 02:51:40,706 --> 02:51:42,166 and listening to a lot of that. 2224 02:51:43,167 --> 02:51:47,755 The Shining soundtrack has a snowed-in ambience and you can't get out. 2225 02:51:48,172 --> 02:51:53,093 It kind of rolls over you and your captured within the sound of the movie. 2226 02:51:53,761 --> 02:51:59,934 Haunting, very dark, it's a sound-scape throughout the whole movie and I think the movie in itself 2227 02:52:00,309 --> 02:52:01,811 is also very cold. 2228 02:52:02,436 --> 02:52:04,522 They reinforce each other very well. 2229 02:52:12,988 --> 02:52:13,739 Super effective. 2230 02:52:14,114 --> 02:52:18,369 I think my favorite soundtrack that doesn't get brought up a lot is Halloween 3. 2231 02:52:18,869 --> 02:52:22,623 I'm not talking about the little jingle on the TV, I mean like the score that's in it. 2232 02:52:23,082 --> 02:52:26,544 It's one of the best John Carpenter scores in my opinion. 2233 02:52:32,925 --> 02:52:35,886 Music is very important to horror and very easy to get wrong in horror. 2234 02:52:36,345 --> 02:52:40,766 There's films that we watch that have just been carpeted with stock music and you can 2235 02:52:41,183 --> 02:52:45,646 tell and there's music that has been more carefully curated for a film and when you're 2236 02:52:46,021 --> 02:52:49,149 in the hands of say Howard Shore with Cronenberg stuff. 2237 02:52:57,074 --> 02:52:58,826 That's an unexpected union that really works. 2238 02:52:59,159 --> 02:53:01,412 Howard Shore goes very operatic with Cronenberg's scores 2239 02:53:01,954 --> 02:53:04,248 which you wouldn't think would be the case with some of these films. 2240 02:53:04,540 --> 02:53:10,254 Every horror picture is different. There's the essence of it, certain chord structures that appear 2241 02:53:10,546 --> 02:53:15,092 in all of them and many of them come from our friend Bernard Herrmann. 2242 02:53:15,718 --> 02:53:21,765 I can go through film after film and tell you how much he's affected the way music works. 2243 02:53:22,141 --> 02:53:25,519 So, when someone says to me that sounds like Bernard Herrmann, I go thanks. 2244 02:53:26,061 --> 02:53:31,400 In Re-Animator when it opens with that kind of sort of jaunty for want of a better word 2245 02:53:31,817 --> 02:53:34,904 rephrasing of Bernard Herrmann's Psycho theme. 2246 02:53:46,457 --> 02:53:50,502 I know a lot of fans have criticized Richard Band for ripping off Psycho but it was always 2247 02:53:50,794 --> 02:53:52,046 intended as a homage. 2248 02:53:52,546 --> 02:53:55,925 There's supposed to be a credit at the end saying with apologies to Bernard Herrmann or something 2249 02:53:56,342 --> 02:53:56,967 like that. 2250 02:53:57,384 --> 02:54:01,096 But that was another one where that music comes up and right away I could kind of tell 2251 02:54:01,513 --> 02:54:05,976 that this movie was going to have kind of a satirical kind of anarchic take on horror. 2252 02:54:06,435 --> 02:54:08,020 Just the way it used that music. 2253 02:54:08,604 --> 02:54:12,983 Bernstein's score for A Nightmare on Elm Street is mostly electronic. 2254 02:54:13,442 --> 02:54:19,949 It sounds very basic but it's a theme that sticks to your mind. 2255 02:54:27,790 --> 02:54:33,837 Simplicity and repetition is a great formula when you don't overdo it of course. 2256 02:54:34,380 --> 02:54:39,635 I also really like some of this smaller super low budget soundtracks. 2257 02:54:40,177 --> 02:54:45,599 So, The Slumber Party Massacre for instance, the entire soundtrack was made on a thirty-dollar 2258 02:54:46,016 --> 02:54:52,022 Casio keyboard and three crystal glasses that they would just sort of ping. 2259 02:54:59,571 --> 02:55:00,572 It cost nothing to make. 2260 02:55:00,990 --> 02:55:04,451 I don't think Giorgio Moroder is sitting here thinking about let me make an '80s synth horror 2261 02:55:04,743 --> 02:55:09,873 score but in congress with David Bowie he makes maybe one of the quintessential synths driven '80s 2262 02:55:10,290 --> 02:55:11,542 horror scores with Cat People. 2263 02:55:11,959 --> 02:55:15,212 It sticks in your mind and lingers in the memory in a way that a more traditional horror 2264 02:55:15,629 --> 02:55:16,588 score would not. 2265 02:55:24,138 --> 02:55:28,475 It was almost like a musical version of passing the torch. 2266 02:55:29,101 --> 02:55:35,315 Going from analog to digital, going from the past to the '80s where everything was expanding 2267 02:55:35,607 --> 02:55:41,071 and that fingerprint, I think is on all of those '80s movies. 2268 02:55:41,572 --> 02:55:48,662 The Day of the Dead score is just one of those really haunting electronic scores. 2269 02:55:49,079 --> 02:55:53,000 Now at first when you listen to you think is quite simple but there's actually 2270 02:55:53,459 --> 02:55:57,629 quite a lot of layers going on underneath that main refrain. 2271 02:56:05,387 --> 02:56:09,683 It's got a very clinical feel Day of the Dead and I think the music adds to that because 2272 02:56:09,975 --> 02:56:16,565 it's very stark kind of synth work and it makes it almost more alienating like as the 2273 02:56:16,857 --> 02:56:20,611 movie if that had like an orchestral score for instance, the whole feel of the film would 2274 02:56:20,986 --> 02:56:21,904 have been thrown off. 2275 02:56:22,654 --> 02:56:28,035 As far as the soundtrack of Hellrasier goes, it is to me by a distance the best horror 2276 02:56:28,368 --> 02:56:29,620 score of the decade. 2277 02:56:30,204 --> 02:56:33,916 It's beautiful, it's monumental, it's a requiem mass. 2278 02:56:41,799 --> 02:56:43,258 Magnificent. 2279 02:56:43,759 --> 02:56:49,640 I have no idea why heavy metal was so prevalent in 1980s horror movies. 2280 02:56:50,182 --> 02:56:57,106 I mean there was a glut of movies Slaughterhouse Rock and Trick-or-Treat, they were based on 2281 02:56:57,523 --> 02:56:59,149 heavy metal characters and bands. 2282 02:56:59,817 --> 02:57:03,445 And then every sort of hair metal band in America decided that they had to get a song 2283 02:57:03,862 --> 02:57:05,489 on a horror movie. 2284 02:57:05,781 --> 02:57:11,745 Rock and horror, they live so closely together. 2285 02:57:12,246 --> 02:57:17,876 For all its flaws the soundtrack to Trick-or-Treat is fucking amazing and I will fight anybody 2286 02:57:18,252 --> 02:57:19,962 who says differently man. 2287 02:57:27,219 --> 02:57:30,264 All of those songs are insanely catchy and really, really good. 2288 02:57:30,806 --> 02:57:35,018 Whether there was Bauhaus's Night of the Demons, Tangerine Dream and The Keep 2289 02:57:35,477 --> 02:57:38,272 The Lost Boys had such a great soundtrack to it. 2290 02:57:38,647 --> 02:57:43,777 Dokken in Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Alice Cooper in Friday the 13th Part 6. 2291 02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:46,905 These were speaking to the times. 2292 02:57:47,364 --> 02:57:50,826 They're speaking to the punk rock kids, they were speaking to the new wave kids, they 2293 02:57:51,201 --> 02:57:54,663 were speaking to the pure kids that were growing up on classic rock like I did. 2294 02:57:55,122 --> 02:57:57,583 It became the soundtrack to your own life growing up. 2295 02:58:16,143 --> 02:58:19,646 The third Nightmare on Elm Street film Dream Warriors has Heather Langenkamp returning 2296 02:58:19,938 --> 02:58:23,317 as Nancy Thompson to assemble a bunch of dream warriors. 2297 02:58:23,901 --> 02:58:27,654 Kids who are in a mental institute who battle Freddy Krueger in their dream with their dream 2298 02:58:27,946 --> 02:58:28,697 powers. 2299 02:58:32,784 --> 02:58:36,079 I feel like this is the Nightmare movie that everyone thinks of when they think of the 2300 02:58:36,371 --> 02:58:40,709 series because the first one's a classic but this one has all the fun and games of people 2301 02:58:41,001 --> 02:58:43,170 engaging with Freddy in their dreams and fighting him. 2302 02:58:43,795 --> 02:58:46,757 The Dream Warriors were collectively all pretty awesome. 2303 02:58:47,966 --> 02:58:54,681 And I played the role of Kincaid, the first black in A Nightmare on Elm Street to kick Freddy's ass. 2304 02:58:56,350 --> 02:59:01,939 Kincaid represented the minorities, not just African Americans but he represented the minorities 2305 02:59:02,397 --> 02:59:05,400 all over the world and he was a hero. 2306 02:59:09,988 --> 02:59:15,410 Heather and Robert Englund was like big sister and big brother to all of us. 2307 02:59:15,911 --> 02:59:22,334 She was a connecting dot to the Nightmare on Elm Street movies that was needed. 2308 02:59:23,001 --> 02:59:26,588 It's got so many standout special effects in it and one of my favorites is the giant 2309 02:59:26,880 --> 02:59:30,634 worm with Freddy's head especially because that's when he first sees Nancy Thompson again. 2310 02:59:36,181 --> 02:59:37,391 We had three units shooting. 2311 02:59:37,975 --> 02:59:41,561 Two were for the principal actors with two cameras. Chuck Russell the director would run 2312 02:59:41,979 --> 02:59:43,313 back and forth between each set. 2313 02:59:43,981 --> 02:59:47,818 And the third unit was specifically just for special effects. 2314 02:59:49,361 --> 02:59:53,115 Kevin Yagher did Robert's makeup on the second and the third one. 2315 02:59:53,740 --> 02:59:58,787 Rodney Eastman in Nightmare on Elm Street 3 he's stuck to a false bed with a false chest and 2316 02:59:59,329 --> 03:00:02,958 Bob Kurtzman and I had to rig all the letters to say come and get me bitch and that 2317 03:00:03,458 --> 03:00:05,669 took hours and hours and hours. 2318 03:00:08,380 --> 03:00:10,173 There was a lot of creative killings. 2319 03:00:10,590 --> 03:00:18,640 My absolutely favorite scene was when Freddy put Jennifer's head through the television 2320 03:00:19,016 --> 03:00:21,310 and said, "Welcome to prime-time bitch." 2321 03:00:26,148 --> 03:00:31,153 This is also the movie where the quippy almost fun Freddy Krueger comes into his own. 2322 03:00:35,365 --> 03:00:37,367 The brilliance of a lot of it was Robert. 2323 03:00:37,993 --> 03:00:40,412 Robert really came up with a lot of those lines. 2324 03:00:41,163 --> 03:00:42,873 Robert Englund was the boogey man. 2325 03:00:43,165 --> 03:00:49,338 He was the Mummy, he was Dracula, he was all of them because he could be in your dream. 2326 03:00:49,963 --> 03:00:52,591 My favorite Kincaid line was... 2327 03:00:53,091 --> 03:00:55,761 Let's go kick the motherfucker's ass all over dreamland. 2328 03:00:57,137 --> 03:01:00,932 Wes Craven had his own style and he made sure 2329 03:01:01,224 --> 03:01:06,938 that an African American was the first to survive a horror film and return to a sequel. 2330 03:01:11,401 --> 03:01:13,236 He had a great influence on horror. 2331 03:01:13,653 --> 03:01:15,489 Now we don't get killed. 2332 03:01:26,500 --> 03:01:28,085 I've always been kind of afraid of dolls. 2333 03:01:28,877 --> 03:01:32,923 I remember when I was a little kid somebody brought a ventriloquist dummy to my house 2334 03:01:33,465 --> 03:01:38,595 and took him out of a suitcase and I was like out of that room in a second and a half. 2335 03:01:39,054 --> 03:01:42,933 The thing I've discovered with dolls was of all the movies that I've done a lot of people 2336 03:01:43,225 --> 03:01:44,226 consider it the scariest. 2337 03:01:44,893 --> 03:01:47,646 Dolls certainly was a poster before it was a movie. 2338 03:01:48,105 --> 03:01:51,024 The little female doll that's holding her own eyes. 2339 03:01:51,316 --> 03:01:53,527 That's just wrong. 2340 03:01:53,985 --> 03:01:58,615 And we made sure that we shot that scene because of the poster. 2341 03:02:02,911 --> 03:02:04,955 I was not expecting to make that movie at all. 2342 03:02:05,497 --> 03:02:09,000 I was working on From Beyond and had a meeting with Charlie Band and he said we'd like you 2343 03:02:09,292 --> 03:02:11,128 to make another movie using the same sets. 2344 03:02:11,628 --> 03:02:16,842 And he tossed me a script for what was called ”The Doll”originally by Ed Naha. 2345 03:02:17,384 --> 03:02:25,100 Stuart's idea was to do it all practically and to do regular nice dolls but not scary dolls. 2346 03:02:25,559 --> 03:02:28,019 And he said well, it's what they do 2347 03:02:28,395 --> 03:02:29,312 that's scary. 2348 03:02:29,938 --> 03:02:32,649 You had literally hundreds of dolls coming to life in this movie. 2349 03:02:33,066 --> 03:02:33,984 An army of dolls. 2350 03:02:34,276 --> 03:02:35,152 It wasn't just one doll. 2351 03:02:35,527 --> 03:02:36,653 It wasn't just like Chucky. 2352 03:02:37,154 --> 03:02:41,450 That turned out to be major undertaking and we used to just about every technique 2353 03:02:41,825 --> 03:02:42,742 we could. 2354 03:02:43,034 --> 03:02:47,414 We used puppets, we used mechanical dolls and we got Dave Allen to do stop motion for the 2355 03:02:47,747 --> 03:02:54,337 scenes where we couldn't get it done any other way. It ended up taking an extra year to make 2356 03:02:54,713 --> 03:02:55,464 that movie. 2357 03:02:55,922 --> 03:02:58,967 It came out after From Beyond because the effects were so difficult. 2358 03:03:03,597 --> 03:03:08,643 Well, the big scene in Dolls is the one where the evil stepmother is killed by the dolls. 2359 03:03:09,186 --> 03:03:13,356 That's the first time you really see the dolls in action and that was my wife Carolyn played 2360 03:03:13,815 --> 03:03:14,774 that part. 2361 03:03:17,944 --> 03:03:20,947 My own kids came to the set when I was working on that movie. 2362 03:03:21,323 --> 03:03:26,369 The idea that I was taking their toys, their dolls and turning them into killing machines 2363 03:03:26,786 --> 03:03:28,288 did not sit well with them at all. 2364 03:03:28,914 --> 03:03:30,832 There is one scene in particular. 2365 03:03:31,124 --> 03:03:36,087 The characters hear a rustling in the woods and it's a teddy bear. 2366 03:03:36,546 --> 03:03:42,552 It's a kind of goofy teddy bear comes up out of the woods and the character is like no, not 2367 03:03:42,969 --> 03:03:43,637 that. 2368 03:03:44,095 --> 03:03:50,936 Then the teddy bear like transforms kind of into a real bear and devours them. 2369 03:03:53,605 --> 03:03:56,233 It kind of sums up the appeal of what that movie is. 2370 03:04:04,449 --> 03:04:09,037 Evil Dead 2 was a blast from the minute that we landed in North Carolina to the minute 2371 03:04:09,329 --> 03:04:10,080 that we left. 2372 03:04:10,622 --> 03:04:16,002 Working with Sam Raimi was just a complete experience that I'll never forget. 2373 03:04:16,294 --> 03:04:22,050 He was so imaginative, so funny. So much of what he loves and what he does is based on 2374 03:04:22,467 --> 03:04:23,510 the comedy. 2375 03:04:23,927 --> 03:04:26,179 If you look at the original Evil Dead it's pretty terrifying. 2376 03:04:26,596 --> 03:04:31,434 I think when we did Evil Dead 2 a lot of us were assuming it was going to be as relentless as the 2377 03:04:31,810 --> 03:04:37,190 first movie just a lot better special-effects makeup and Sam was a much more seasoned 2378 03:04:37,649 --> 03:04:38,567 director at that point. 2379 03:04:39,401 --> 03:04:44,197 He was really specific which helped me a lot because there was no doubt in my mind what 2380 03:04:44,489 --> 03:04:46,199 I had to do for each shot. 2381 03:04:46,741 --> 03:04:49,077 He had the whole script planned out to a T. 2382 03:04:52,914 --> 03:04:55,041 I remember we got the draft of the script. 2383 03:04:55,333 --> 03:05:00,130 There was a rewrite and it's the scene where Linda's head is in the vice in the tool shed 2384 03:05:01,131 --> 03:05:05,343 and the door flies open and Linda's headless corpse comes in with the chainsaw over it's head. 2385 03:05:05,802 --> 03:05:09,764 And I was like this is the most terrifying thing I've ever read. Because we shot that 2386 03:05:10,181 --> 03:05:11,349 early in the schedule, 2387 03:05:11,975 --> 03:05:16,646 I really hadn't at that point really understood Sam's sense of humor. 2388 03:05:17,063 --> 03:05:20,233 The fact that every time blood would spray it wasn't like you would never use just a 2389 03:05:20,692 --> 03:05:21,735 little syringe of blood. 2390 03:05:22,152 --> 03:05:24,404 You would use like a fire extinguisher. 2391 03:05:27,282 --> 03:05:31,953 I had like a couple of big trucks outside the stage with hundreds and hundreds of gallons 2392 03:05:32,287 --> 03:05:33,288 of colored liquid. 2393 03:05:33,913 --> 03:05:35,206 Let 'er rip boys. 2394 03:05:41,338 --> 03:05:45,133 It must have been thousands of gallons and Bruce was down there, there was no dummy, 2395 03:05:45,550 --> 03:05:46,468 there was no stuntman. 2396 03:05:46,801 --> 03:05:48,136 Very physical role. 2397 03:05:49,262 --> 03:05:52,807 Bruce Campbell was game for damn near anything in fact. 2398 03:05:53,391 --> 03:05:56,144 We're shooting the scene where he's smashing himself with the plates and he ends up by 2399 03:05:56,436 --> 03:05:59,022 flipping himself completely and that was all him. 2400 03:05:59,314 --> 03:06:00,815 That was not a stunt person. 2401 03:06:01,274 --> 03:06:06,112 He was up for anything and he did his own makeup for the cuts and all that, that he wore 2402 03:06:06,404 --> 03:06:07,197 for most of the movie. 2403 03:06:07,572 --> 03:06:08,615 That was his own makeup. 2404 03:06:09,240 --> 03:06:14,079 The first one he was just kind of this hapless guy just trying to survive any way he could 2405 03:06:14,537 --> 03:06:18,917 and then he became this very active and also snarky hero in Evil Dead 2 and then 2406 03:06:19,292 --> 03:06:20,669 Army of Darkness later on. 2407 03:06:22,128 --> 03:06:25,298 I guess with Ash we just get the sense that he's having a really bad day. 2408 03:06:26,007 --> 03:06:28,968 You don't feel like he's going to be scarred for life because of what's going on. 2409 03:06:29,469 --> 03:06:33,765 Like losing his hand, his reaction is just like oh, you bastards. 2410 03:06:36,810 --> 03:06:44,234 Everything in Evil Dead 2 is a very quotable moment from groovy to who's laughing now and 2411 03:06:44,567 --> 03:06:46,903 he's like chopping off his hand with the chainsaw. 2412 03:06:51,533 --> 03:06:53,535 We were such nerds in high school. 2413 03:06:54,119 --> 03:06:58,873 I mean we would quote that movie till our faces turned blue and no one knew what the hell 2414 03:06:59,249 --> 03:07:00,250 we were talking about. 2415 03:07:01,376 --> 03:07:04,754 When the hand comes off then it's running around and flipping him the bird and then 2416 03:07:05,380 --> 03:07:08,758 I think it was the moment where he puts it under the bucket and puts A Farewell to Arms 2417 03:07:09,175 --> 03:07:10,051 on top of it. 2418 03:07:10,468 --> 03:07:14,097 That's what I got what Raimi was going for and that's also kind of a perfect moment in 2419 03:07:14,389 --> 03:07:15,724 horror comedy history. 2420 03:07:22,105 --> 03:07:25,400 Oh, we got to shoot the evil hand doing this today and oh my God which one do we use? 2421 03:07:25,734 --> 03:07:31,156 We had a radio-controlled hand, we had stunt hands, a hand that would come up palm up on 2422 03:07:31,489 --> 03:07:34,325 the floor where it had a prosthetic stump glued to a guy underneath. 2423 03:07:35,118 --> 03:07:40,081 We had a palm down version with the same thing another stunt coming out so the hand can move 2424 03:07:40,457 --> 03:07:41,332 accordingly. 2425 03:07:42,500 --> 03:07:47,255 I don't think you've ever seen anything before that, that handled that kind of bridge of comedy 2426 03:07:47,630 --> 03:07:48,465 and horror so well. 2427 03:07:48,840 --> 03:07:53,595 Raimi was the first person who I think with legitimate genius blended those things together. 2428 03:07:53,928 --> 03:07:55,930 It ushered in a completely new genre. 2429 03:07:57,140 --> 03:08:00,435 That was when a lot of us perked up when oh, this is a masterpiece. 2430 03:08:12,614 --> 03:08:17,410 Rick Baker had been working with me ever since I started making films. 2431 03:08:17,744 --> 03:08:23,166 So, naturally when it came time to do the monster for It's Alive, I would give the job to him. 2432 03:08:24,083 --> 03:08:25,335 We didn't show it much. 2433 03:08:25,752 --> 03:08:31,090 I figured the more we showed it the less scary it would be and the more it was in your imagination. 2434 03:08:31,424 --> 03:08:35,386 I wanted to make The Return to the House of Wax and Warner Brothers said we can't give 2435 03:08:35,678 --> 03:08:39,307 you that title but if you want to make another It's Alive movie you can. 2436 03:08:41,559 --> 03:08:43,436 We had a lot of adventures on the picture. 2437 03:08:43,895 --> 03:08:49,400 Michael Moriarty was yelling into the bushes to the monster come on out, don't be afraid, 2438 03:08:50,026 --> 03:08:50,860 come on out. 2439 03:08:51,486 --> 03:08:56,699 And at that moment a wild boar ran out of the bushes right at him right into the camera crew 2440 03:08:57,325 --> 03:09:02,497 everybody running for their fucking lives and I'm yelling to the cameraman shoot it. 2441 03:09:02,789 --> 03:09:05,291 Get it on camera, get it but they didn't get it. 2442 03:09:05,583 --> 03:09:07,168 So, what the hell? 2443 03:09:08,002 --> 03:09:13,675 The monster was supposed to come up from a pond so he put the guy in the rubber suit 2444 03:09:14,092 --> 03:09:20,098 into the pond. On action he submerged and he's supposed to count for 1O and come up so we're 2445 03:09:20,598 --> 03:09:24,602 waiting a minute, minute and a half and the monster has not yet come up. 2446 03:09:25,019 --> 03:09:29,148 One of the actors runs into the pool and dives in and pulls him out. 2447 03:09:29,482 --> 03:09:34,529 His suit had filled up with water and he couldn't come up so he would have drowned. 2448 03:09:35,446 --> 03:09:37,532 So, he was rescued right on camera. 2449 03:09:37,949 --> 03:09:43,621 Daniel Pearl Lee, the cinematographer and his crew had this running joke of hiding a rubber 2450 03:09:43,997 --> 03:09:44,914 chicken in the scene. 2451 03:09:45,373 --> 03:09:49,752 I had to be on the lookout every day for a rubber chicken before we started rolling. 2452 03:09:50,169 --> 03:09:53,423 One day I missed it and the chicken showed up in the movie. 2453 03:10:01,514 --> 03:10:08,104 And that's what I like on this set is having a good time and I want everybody to have fun. 2454 03:10:18,448 --> 03:10:23,578 With Lost Boys it was almost impossible to see it working because it was such a bold 2455 03:10:23,995 --> 03:10:30,627 and almost audacious gambit which is let's take all of these standard rules of vampire 2456 03:10:31,044 --> 03:10:37,050 lore and let's squeeze them through almost like a big gaudy '80s teen sex drama, right? 2457 03:10:37,634 --> 03:10:39,135 And I was like that doesn't work. 2458 03:10:39,552 --> 03:10:41,429 That's like going to not work in spades. 2459 03:10:42,180 --> 03:10:44,223 It was Joel Schumacher and Richard Donner. 2460 03:10:44,641 --> 03:10:45,725 Donner was producing it. 2461 03:10:46,309 --> 03:10:49,979 I think we were lucky in the end that Joel, we got somebody who had like such an ironclad 2462 03:10:50,355 --> 03:10:52,482 vision for how to actually make that work. 2463 03:10:52,774 --> 03:10:55,360 He wanted the horror. 2464 03:10:55,652 --> 03:11:00,490 What Joel did was he took those tropes and he's like bridging the cinema of Nick Ray 2465 03:11:00,907 --> 03:11:04,535 and '80s horror and he's going to pull all of this stuff together. 2466 03:11:04,827 --> 03:11:07,789 The vampires represent the dark side of the other characters psyches. 2467 03:11:08,164 --> 03:11:14,504 Take all of the anxieties of being a teenager coming into your own as an adolescent and 2468 03:11:14,963 --> 03:11:18,633 your sexuality, isolation of being the loner in a new town. 2469 03:11:19,550 --> 03:11:23,596 I would argue an undercurrent of the AIDS epidemic and just to some of the phobias that 2470 03:11:24,013 --> 03:11:28,726 were afflicting the country at that time, the gay community and other communities and 2471 03:11:29,143 --> 03:11:33,564 then the sort of garishness of the 80's culture itself. 2472 03:11:33,982 --> 03:11:37,902 He's commenting on the garishness, he's not just showing you the garishness. 2473 03:11:40,279 --> 03:11:44,158 With Lost Boys you have sort of the perfect storm of horror meets rock and roll. 2474 03:11:44,659 --> 03:11:48,871 They were vampires that women wanted to be with, guys wanted to hang outwith, everybody 2475 03:11:49,288 --> 03:11:50,873 wanted to be with the Lost Boys. 2476 03:11:51,624 --> 03:11:54,502 What I think is really great about a lot of the stories in the '80s is there was a lot of stories 2477 03:11:55,086 --> 03:11:58,798 about single parents and there was a lot that I really enjoyed about Dianne Wiest in Lost 2478 03:11:59,215 --> 03:12:04,012 Boys in terms of the struggles she was facing raising Sam and Michael played by Corey Haim 2479 03:12:04,429 --> 03:12:05,513 and Jason Patrick. 2480 03:12:05,805 --> 03:12:09,684 There was something very realistic about the struggles she was facing in this very sort 2481 03:12:10,101 --> 03:12:12,770 of fantasy world of vampires. 2482 03:12:20,695 --> 03:12:26,617 To play this character who doesn't really say much, he's just this kind of teen, probably 2483 03:12:27,076 --> 03:12:31,164 a runaway, probably had a really fucked up background and then just gets to eviscerate 2484 03:12:31,622 --> 03:12:36,711 people sort of like gets to expunge all of his own anxieties like in these monstrous ways. 2485 03:12:37,211 --> 03:12:39,130 It was really satisfying. 2486 03:12:41,090 --> 03:12:43,051 We shot nights for a lot of our shoot. 2487 03:12:43,468 --> 03:12:47,638 We were vampires, we would go to bed in the morning and get up at night and we had blankets 2488 03:12:47,930 --> 03:12:52,060 taped over our windows and we were sort of treated like rock stars by the town. 2489 03:12:52,477 --> 03:12:54,937 So, we got up to a lot of trouble. 2490 03:12:55,521 --> 03:12:59,692 You have somebody like Ve Neill who comes in to do these vampires with the assistance 2491 03:12:59,984 --> 03:13:01,736 of Greg Cannom and Steve LaPorte. 2492 03:13:02,070 --> 03:13:06,574 They're all dressed up like glam rockers intentionally because she wanted to sort of emote 2493 03:13:06,991 --> 03:13:11,746 that 70s rock coolness of like Led Zeppelin but she was like well, if they're gonna explode and 2494 03:13:12,038 --> 03:13:14,499 do these cool things like I want glitter in there. 2495 03:13:14,791 --> 03:13:17,585 So, if you go and look at them, they're glittery vampires. 2496 03:13:18,711 --> 03:13:23,466 We had a full body cast of me that had like the blood pumping through it. 2497 03:13:24,050 --> 03:13:28,179 If you actually watch the shot of Corey staking me you can see the division of where it's going to 2498 03:13:28,596 --> 03:13:29,138 retract. 2499 03:13:29,597 --> 03:13:31,808 Pre-CGI days now they would just clean it up in three seconds. 2500 03:13:32,308 --> 03:13:37,855 And then Corey staked me and then they drop the body double, the rubber dummy and then 2501 03:13:38,231 --> 03:13:42,068 I landed in the dirt and then all the kids proceeded to kick so much dirt into my face 2502 03:13:42,360 --> 03:13:44,112 that I went to the hospital with a scratched cornea. 2503 03:13:44,654 --> 03:13:47,281 So, my screaming is real. 2504 03:13:52,036 --> 03:13:56,624 I like to tell Corey Feldman whenever I see him that uh, thank you for sending me to the hospital. 2505 03:13:57,834 --> 03:14:02,755 Being on the sets or just goofing off with the other guys is a really good memory. 2506 03:14:14,183 --> 03:14:18,104 The old cliché and the old kind of warning is don't work with kids, don't work with animals 2507 03:14:18,437 --> 03:14:19,689 and don't work with special effects. 2508 03:14:20,189 --> 03:14:21,607 And Monster Squad, that's all it is. 2509 03:14:21,899 --> 03:14:27,655 You're having this kind of swell of these slashers and villains and Dream Monsters and 2510 03:14:28,072 --> 03:14:31,033 guys in hockey masks which is awesome but then I think there's that question. 2511 03:14:31,409 --> 03:14:32,660 It's like how did we get here? 2512 03:14:32,952 --> 03:14:34,328 Where are the origin stories? 2513 03:14:34,745 --> 03:14:35,997 Where are the original monsters? 2514 03:14:36,581 --> 03:14:41,669 Fred Dekker what he did was take the original monsters that launched this whole thing. 2515 03:14:42,211 --> 03:14:45,756 Let's bring those back and pay a little tribute to those. 2516 03:14:46,257 --> 03:14:49,427 Characters who are meant to be Dracula, Frankenstein, Creature from the Black Lagoon, 2517 03:14:49,886 --> 03:14:53,723 they managed to skirt the Universal copyright through some clever dodges. 2518 03:14:54,891 --> 03:14:59,854 I actually think that improved them because you weren't recreating something. 2519 03:15:00,563 --> 03:15:05,359 Tom Woodruff Jr. is working with Stan Winston's shop at the time and he actually designed 2520 03:15:05,776 --> 03:15:08,487 the Frankenstein applications redesign. 2521 03:15:14,785 --> 03:15:19,832 My favorite man in a monster suit always was and still is the Creature From The Black Lagoon. 2522 03:15:20,458 --> 03:15:24,712 I wanted to be the guy in the monster suit and Stan gave me my first role when I played 2523 03:15:25,129 --> 03:15:26,631 the Gillman in Monster Squad. 2524 03:15:27,215 --> 03:15:29,800 Somebody else in the shop said well, have you worked out your walk yet? 2525 03:15:30,259 --> 03:15:37,099 And I'm thinking uh-oh. Not only is there a walk to figure out apparently but I haven't learned it 2526 03:15:37,558 --> 03:15:40,102 and now I'm thinking and I could feel my confidence now starting... 2527 03:15:40,436 --> 03:15:41,812 I'm thinking what did I do? 2528 03:15:42,104 --> 03:15:43,731 I said, I don't even know the terms. 2529 03:15:44,357 --> 03:15:50,696 The fascinating design done unlike any other creature design suit and build and actual application 2530 03:15:50,988 --> 03:15:54,700 of it than anybody had ever done at the time and then now Tom's zipped up and glued into 2531 03:15:54,992 --> 03:15:57,787 this one-piece suit and has to figure out how to be this character. 2532 03:15:58,412 --> 03:16:02,750 We're on the back lot at Warner Brothers and climbing out of the fake manhole cover and 2533 03:16:03,042 --> 03:16:10,675 going through a fight with some very enthusiastic stuntmen with hard rubber clubs and then having 2534 03:16:10,967 --> 03:16:16,597 to move in on the store with Horace stuck out front with his shotgun and that's when I finally 2535 03:16:17,014 --> 03:16:19,267 thought now it's time for my walk. 2536 03:16:25,606 --> 03:16:28,234 It was sort of like a monster effects buffet. 2537 03:16:28,609 --> 03:16:29,860 I got to sample everything. 2538 03:16:30,152 --> 03:16:33,906 Some stunts here and some squibbing and falling and my walking and breathing. 2539 03:16:34,365 --> 03:16:35,032 All that stuff. 2540 03:16:35,408 --> 03:16:37,326 And I got to die on screen. 2541 03:16:40,329 --> 03:16:46,711 I don't think I will ever be able to relive those glory days because it was pretty high up. 2542 03:16:47,753 --> 03:16:50,423 Monster Squad has a lot of memorable one-liners. 2543 03:16:51,007 --> 03:16:54,677 Other people have great lines like I wish I had that line but obviously Wolf man's got nards 2544 03:16:55,052 --> 03:16:56,554 is the line from that movie. 2545 03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:05,062 The problem with Monster Squad I think was a couple things. 2546 03:17:05,396 --> 03:17:09,400 The subject matter and the story and the action and the kind of monsters were a little too 2547 03:17:09,900 --> 03:17:15,656 much for the 8-9 to 10-year olds and it was too kid-like for the 15-16-17-year olds 2548 03:17:15,990 --> 03:17:17,867 that went to see the Lost Boys and dug that. 2549 03:17:18,326 --> 03:17:19,827 So, like I'm not going to go see a kid's movie. 2550 03:17:20,286 --> 03:17:24,165 So, really when he left a small sliver of an audience in there that couldn't go because 2551 03:17:24,623 --> 03:17:27,501 of the rating or their parents wouldn't take them so they got left out twice. 2552 03:17:28,502 --> 03:17:31,964 But we kind of made the first tween movie. 2553 03:17:43,100 --> 03:17:50,191 Hellraiser was written and directed by Clive Barker adapted from his own novella, 2554 03:17:50,608 --> 03:17:51,567 The Hellbound Heart. 2555 03:17:52,234 --> 03:17:58,199 Central to a lot of Clive Barker's work is the idea of the monsters being the good guys 2556 03:17:58,657 --> 03:18:03,204 or at least being more complicated than simply being the bad guys. 2557 03:18:03,579 --> 03:18:05,414 Pinhead is not the monster in the film. 2558 03:18:05,873 --> 03:18:10,002 The monsters in Hellraiser are Julia and Frank. 2559 03:18:10,586 --> 03:18:14,048 The humans are the ones causing the trouble. 2560 03:18:14,423 --> 03:18:18,803 I increasingly saw Pinhead as an impartial judge. 2561 03:18:19,303 --> 03:18:24,392 As far as Clive was concerned, he was not to be the focus of the film. 2562 03:18:25,059 --> 03:18:27,436 Clive's focus was all on Julia. 2563 03:18:27,978 --> 03:18:32,691 For Clive, Hellraiser was about creating the first great female horror monster. 2564 03:18:35,069 --> 03:18:39,990 I feel as though there's an element throughout the 1980s of people being given a chance. 2565 03:18:40,991 --> 03:18:42,493 Clive had never directed a film. 2566 03:18:42,993 --> 03:18:48,958 So, I knew absolutely where his imagination was but it is true that he arrived on set 2567 03:18:49,375 --> 03:18:53,212 on day one on Hellraiser and said, "So who's in charge here?" 2568 03:18:54,171 --> 03:19:01,387 He was extremely lucky I think in having Robin Vidgeon by his side as director of photography 2569 03:19:01,762 --> 03:19:04,890 who's no small part of the success of Hellraiser. 2570 03:19:05,182 --> 03:19:10,438 He worked with Clive and met Clive's imaginative vision head on. 2571 03:19:10,855 --> 03:19:12,982 I was blessed with a lot of wonderful lines. 2572 03:19:13,524 --> 03:19:16,318 We have such sights to show you. 2573 03:19:16,944 --> 03:19:21,282 There was one line that I highlighted and I wrote next to it - laugh. 2574 03:19:22,116 --> 03:19:28,038 And people ought to laugh but they ought to laugh slightly uncomfortably because 2575 03:19:28,664 --> 03:19:34,044 as well as being a joke, it's a threat and that line was, "No tears, please." 2576 03:19:40,634 --> 03:19:45,181 I've always said that Pinhead is a horror monster who would be perfectly at home at 2577 03:19:45,806 --> 03:19:49,852 a garden party with Noel Coward and Oscar Wilde trading epithets. 2578 03:19:55,566 --> 03:19:58,068 Kathryn Bigelow is probably one of my favorite filmmakers. 2579 03:19:58,444 --> 03:20:03,449 Particularly her work on Near Dark is incredible and I'd never seen a vampire movie like that. 2580 03:20:04,074 --> 03:20:08,162 She leans into sort of this western style - is a coolness to it. 2581 03:20:08,704 --> 03:20:14,084 It's a bunch of vampires that are traveling across the country and they bring in this 2582 03:20:14,585 --> 03:20:16,420 new kid into their fold. 2583 03:20:17,046 --> 03:20:22,009 It's so different because it really messes with vampire lore and you've got an incredible 2584 03:20:22,384 --> 03:20:23,260 cast with it. 2585 03:20:23,761 --> 03:20:25,262 You've got Lance Henriksen, you've got Bill Paxton. 2586 03:20:25,596 --> 03:20:27,097 It's so well done. 2587 03:20:27,598 --> 03:20:32,186 For as much as I'd grown up sort of trusting somebody like Lance Henriksen, seeing him 2588 03:20:32,478 --> 03:20:36,857 transformed into this creature with no set of morals. 2589 03:20:37,149 --> 03:20:42,071 Like he's just out to eat and to exist and to survive with something else. 2590 03:20:42,363 --> 03:20:48,285 The vampires take over this bar and they're just slaughtering everybody and laughing. 2591 03:20:51,789 --> 03:20:55,751 Normally, it's your vampire comes in bites somebody and this it's like no, they're reveling 2592 03:20:56,126 --> 03:20:58,045 in it that they're murdering people. 2593 03:20:59,880 --> 03:21:06,095 To see Bill Paxton becoming this sort of unhinged crazy man of a character was so awesome. 2594 03:21:06,512 --> 03:21:09,557 It's just such an interesting and different take on vampires than anything we saw during 2595 03:21:10,015 --> 03:21:11,183 the '80s. 2596 03:21:17,815 --> 03:21:24,446 Horror goes directly to our primal nerve centers and the things that are most basic about being 2597 03:21:24,947 --> 03:21:27,199 human and that's fucking and killing. 2598 03:21:27,491 --> 03:21:31,120 You get sex and nudity on screen and it's just as much of a hook as the violence was. 2599 03:21:32,121 --> 03:21:36,667 Nudity has never seemed that gratuitous to me in horror films. 2600 03:21:37,001 --> 03:21:38,043 It's always seemed part of it. 2601 03:21:38,377 --> 03:21:44,883 I mean if you look at the old movies from like the '60s and early '70s in Spain and Italy. 2602 03:21:45,175 --> 03:21:47,428 I used to show them on my show Movie Macabre 2603 03:21:47,886 --> 03:21:50,180 and we'd have to cut out three-quarters of the movie because everybody was naked. 2604 03:21:50,681 --> 03:21:53,517 I guess vampires and witches just run around naked all the time I don't know. 2605 03:21:54,143 --> 03:21:59,315 It's interesting to me how society during the '80s sort of projected their own especially 2606 03:21:59,773 --> 03:22:06,196 U.S. cultures projected their own hang-ups on nudity on to this genre of films when it 2607 03:22:06,488 --> 03:22:09,033 really wasn't, I don't think that much of an issue. 2608 03:22:11,410 --> 03:22:14,622 Oh, I think I'll take a shower now, it's hot in here. 2609 03:22:15,706 --> 03:22:19,960 I mean it's just out there with it and I think it was completely gratuitous and 2610 03:22:20,252 --> 03:22:24,048 I think it was used only to sell the movie and I think it was completely unnecessary but 2611 03:22:24,340 --> 03:22:27,301 you have to get young guys in there to see the movie and how are you going to do that? 2612 03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:32,556 They asked a lot of girls to be naked in these films, myself included. 2613 03:22:35,225 --> 03:22:41,065 But at that time it was a little bit more forbidden and felt more base and a lot of men were writing 2614 03:22:41,357 --> 03:22:46,278 the movies and so they were writing what they wanted to see and yeah, they wanted to see 2615 03:22:46,654 --> 03:22:47,655 naked ladies. 2616 03:22:48,155 --> 03:22:51,158 For me, it sort of felt like here it is again, okay. 2617 03:22:51,659 --> 03:22:53,535 And it felt like it was a rite of passage okay. 2618 03:22:54,286 --> 03:22:57,915 If I keep saying no to these roles, I'm not going to be able to work so I said yes and 2619 03:22:58,415 --> 03:23:01,460 it was fine as long as the script was good. 2620 03:23:02,252 --> 03:23:09,802 A lot of women were exploited for exploitation purposes just to see it because they would 2621 03:23:10,260 --> 03:23:11,011 say yes. 2622 03:23:11,428 --> 03:23:14,348 The nudity helped get the butts in the seats. 2623 03:23:15,057 --> 03:23:20,187 Like if I had two videos in my hand and one said nudity and one did not, which one do you 2624 03:23:20,688 --> 03:23:21,855 think I'm watching? 2625 03:23:22,272 --> 03:23:24,274 I do think they need to have more male nudity. 2626 03:23:24,566 --> 03:23:28,696 Even way back I was like I never see a penis ever in a movie. 2627 03:23:29,363 --> 03:23:32,241 And even now it's still rare although getting a little better. 2628 03:23:32,991 --> 03:23:37,871 But I feel like if you have a naked lady then have a naked man. 2629 03:23:38,414 --> 03:23:39,456 Equality. 2630 03:23:43,210 --> 03:23:45,921 Halloween 3, I think you see my ass. 2631 03:23:46,422 --> 03:23:47,715 I had an ass then. 2632 03:23:48,465 --> 03:23:52,970 I don't have an ass anymore. I'm too old, it's all gone away. 2633 03:23:54,388 --> 03:24:02,896 I don't know why an audience of teenagers would think that over sexed teenagers deserve 2634 03:24:03,480 --> 03:24:06,608 to die but that's what was happening in the '80s. 2635 03:24:07,276 --> 03:24:14,199 So, we must have had a lot of undersexed teenagers enjoying the death of 2636 03:24:14,491 --> 03:24:16,744 oversexed teenagers in these movies. 2637 03:24:17,411 --> 03:24:21,749 America has always been very schizophrenic in that 2638 03:24:22,374 --> 03:24:24,710 it's a puritanical place. 2639 03:24:25,544 --> 03:24:32,551 And so a lot of the movies, if you had sex you would die, that was kind of the Friday the 13th model. 2640 03:24:33,469 --> 03:24:38,432 Anyone who would have sex you knew was going to be dead by reel three. 2641 03:24:41,852 --> 03:24:49,276 I think a lot of people were trying to equate sex with sinning and you're gonna go frolic 2642 03:24:49,735 --> 03:24:51,028 and you get what you get, you know? 2643 03:24:51,528 --> 03:24:53,906 It's kind of how in Scream they talk about the rules. 2644 03:24:54,406 --> 03:24:56,158 You had sex, now you're going to die. 2645 03:25:09,505 --> 03:25:12,966 Maybe not the healthiest message to send out to people. 2646 03:25:13,759 --> 03:25:16,386 It's a kind of old-fashioned, isn't it? 2647 03:25:16,678 --> 03:25:22,976 Especially after the freedom and outrageous goings on of the 60s and 70s. 2648 03:25:23,519 --> 03:25:30,234 And that was so ingrained that it was a rule that they deliberately had to start breaking. 2649 03:25:30,526 --> 03:25:33,237 And reviewers pointed it out, they had sex and they lived. 2650 03:25:34,029 --> 03:25:36,240 That's how strong that was. 2651 03:25:36,907 --> 03:25:40,202 I like that women have sexual power over men. 2652 03:25:40,869 --> 03:25:42,454 A lot of the time in horror. 2653 03:25:42,788 --> 03:25:48,418 No matter how the male antagonist or the villain may try to subjugate and victimize 2654 03:25:49,002 --> 03:25:54,758 the woman, she has always been able to very proactively and aggressively act on her own 2655 03:25:55,217 --> 03:25:58,679 behalf and get her revenge on the bad guy. 2656 03:26:00,097 --> 03:26:01,014 That works for me. 2657 03:26:01,431 --> 03:26:03,976 So, it's like different kinds of nudity in horror. 2658 03:26:04,476 --> 03:26:08,605 There's plenty where it's used for shock value, I guess. 2659 03:26:09,147 --> 03:26:14,152 Like lots of violence is happening on top of it and you're really confused because if 2660 03:26:14,528 --> 03:26:16,947 you're getting aroused as this is going, it's like am I a terrible person? 2661 03:26:17,489 --> 03:26:19,408 It's like maniacs like slaughtering people. 2662 03:26:19,950 --> 03:26:25,747 At what point are you allowed to enjoy it and what point is it kind of disturbing? 2663 03:26:43,599 --> 03:26:45,100 I really liked Critters. 2664 03:26:45,517 --> 03:26:46,518 I had a good time with it. 2665 03:26:46,810 --> 03:26:48,562 It was very Spielbergian. 2666 03:26:48,979 --> 03:26:51,815 Sort of a modern-day western but with little monsters. 2667 03:26:52,232 --> 03:26:56,695 And one of the things I really like about the Critters world and in particular Critters 2 2668 03:26:57,362 --> 03:27:00,282 is one of my favorite themes of Norman Rockwell goes to hell. 2669 03:27:00,824 --> 03:27:06,079 So, this is taking the idealized small-town America and just kicking it in the balls. 2670 03:27:13,754 --> 03:27:20,177 My main job was try to create some characters who were memorable and just not fodder for 2671 03:27:20,677 --> 03:27:21,970 little puppets. 2672 03:27:24,765 --> 03:27:30,562 The cast was wonderful Lin Shaye and Scott Grimes and Liane Curtis and Barry Corbin. 2673 03:27:30,854 --> 03:27:32,481 A really good group of people. 2674 03:27:32,981 --> 03:27:35,192 And the Chiodo Brothers were amazing. 2675 03:27:41,323 --> 03:27:45,619 They made these amazing creations on no money. 2676 03:27:46,578 --> 03:27:51,917 Another memorable moment in Critters 2 that stretches the boundaries of the PG-13 rating 2677 03:27:52,501 --> 03:27:58,966 is when one of the alien bounty hunters picks up the Playboy magazine and sees the fold-out 2678 03:27:59,549 --> 03:28:05,055 and transforms into Roxanne Kernohan naked. 2679 03:28:09,226 --> 03:28:14,398 A really great idea that Bob Shaye, the head of New Line Studios had when we were doing 2680 03:28:14,690 --> 03:28:16,233 the scene with the fold-out. 2681 03:28:16,650 --> 03:28:22,406 When she transforms and plucks the giant staple out of her navel that was Bob's idea and I 2682 03:28:22,698 --> 03:28:25,492 have to give him credit because it's so good. 2683 03:28:29,746 --> 03:28:34,501 The most complicated scene maybe to this day that I've ever shot is that chase between 2684 03:28:35,002 --> 03:28:39,339 the pickup truck and the giant critter ball because there are several different versions 2685 03:28:39,756 --> 03:28:40,590 of that critter ball. 2686 03:28:41,091 --> 03:28:46,430 One of them must have weighed a ton and was on an axle connected to the pickup truck and 2687 03:28:46,722 --> 03:28:50,684 it had all these remote-control puppeted faces that are biting on it. 2688 03:28:51,685 --> 03:28:56,690 There's another version, it's just a bunch of critter pelts on an inflatable ball that 2689 03:28:57,024 --> 03:29:00,944 when it first comes into town you can see two of the Chiodo Brothers' legs behind 2690 03:29:01,403 --> 03:29:02,696 it as they're pushing it. 2691 03:29:03,196 --> 03:29:06,658 That's real high-tech visual effects. 2692 03:29:07,159 --> 03:29:11,788 But when the critters ball is rolling, one of the people running away from it gets rolled 2693 03:29:12,456 --> 03:29:19,087 over and reveals the skeleton of him immediately after you hear gobble, gobble, gobble and it's away 2694 03:29:19,671 --> 03:29:22,049 and there's the skeleton with a little meat left on it. 2695 03:29:26,595 --> 03:29:30,348 That's a favorite moment of mine and always gets an amazing reaction. 2696 03:29:41,151 --> 03:29:45,405 Friday the 13th Part 7 -The New Blood is the first one with Kane Hodder as Jason which 2697 03:29:45,697 --> 03:29:49,242 is surprising that the most famous Jason came in during the seventh movie. 2698 03:29:49,868 --> 03:29:53,663 The really memorable thing about this movie is of course the psychic character Tina who 2699 03:29:54,289 --> 03:29:57,709 serves as the first person who can actually stand up to Jason and fight back. 2700 03:29:58,376 --> 03:30:02,255 And it was directed by the late John Carl Buechler who did a fantastic job with it. 2701 03:30:03,173 --> 03:30:09,096 The single reason I ever became Jason was his insistence that I play the character because 2702 03:30:09,513 --> 03:30:12,766 nobody was against C.J. coming back from Part 6. 2703 03:30:13,183 --> 03:30:14,101 He had done a good job. 2704 03:30:14,476 --> 03:30:18,980 I still think he did a good job but Buechler was adamant that I play the character. 2705 03:30:19,356 --> 03:30:21,024 Unbelievable honor. 2706 03:30:21,733 --> 03:30:25,737 I said I have to do whatever I can to do this character justice. 2707 03:30:29,658 --> 03:30:33,912 Tina has a vision of me killing Bill Butler with the tent stakes. 2708 03:30:34,371 --> 03:30:37,290 So it's sticking out of him and I'm standing behind him and he's going like that. 2709 03:30:37,791 --> 03:30:40,752 That's the very first thing I ever shot with the hockey mask on. 2710 03:30:41,169 --> 03:30:43,171 So, that'll always be a cool memory. 2711 03:30:43,964 --> 03:30:50,095 My favorite fire stunt I've ever done is as Jason in Part 7 because there is so much 2712 03:30:50,512 --> 03:30:51,596 fire on me. 2713 03:30:52,222 --> 03:30:53,849 I'm on fire for so long. 2714 03:30:54,391 --> 03:30:56,309 Just an amazing looking stunt. 2715 03:30:56,977 --> 03:30:59,813 Everybody's afraid to offer me a fire stunt because one almost killed me. 2716 03:31:00,105 --> 03:31:01,940 I was in the hospital five and a half months. 2717 03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:06,820 It took a year to fully recover and get back to a somewhat normal life. 2718 03:31:07,320 --> 03:31:13,160 Even though it almost killed me I always looked back and said man, I just liked doing fire 2719 03:31:13,743 --> 03:31:15,829 stunts because they were so scary-looking. 2720 03:31:16,329 --> 03:31:19,833 With Kane Hodder behind the mask, Jason undergoes a ton of punishment. 2721 03:31:20,333 --> 03:31:25,005 He gets a house falling on him and electrocuted and nails stuck in him but then his ultimate 2722 03:31:25,380 --> 03:31:30,594 death comes from the hand of like a zombie dad coming out of the lake and dragging him 2723 03:31:30,886 --> 03:31:31,678 underwater. 2724 03:31:32,137 --> 03:31:35,473 It's totally bizarre and a little rushed but you definitely remember it. 2725 03:31:45,275 --> 03:31:48,528 One of the movies I would point people to is Killer Klowns From Outer Space by the amazing 2726 03:31:48,945 --> 03:31:49,863 Chiodo Brothers. 2727 03:31:50,947 --> 03:31:54,784 This is a movie that is not long on plot but is rich and intimate. 2728 03:31:55,493 --> 03:31:58,830 The designs for the Killer Klowns, clowns let's face it, always being kind of creepy 2729 03:31:59,247 --> 03:32:01,666 are really, really, really disturbing. 2730 03:32:03,627 --> 03:32:06,880 The horror is there, the comedy they keep it consistent. 2731 03:32:07,172 --> 03:32:08,882 They're killing people with pies. 2732 03:32:09,382 --> 03:32:12,552 They're taking people and wrapping them up in cotton candy. 2733 03:32:15,263 --> 03:32:18,850 Lon Chaney once said that the clown is funny in the circus ring but he's not funny at your door 2734 03:32:19,142 --> 03:32:19,893 at midnight. 2735 03:32:20,185 --> 03:32:24,231 These guys are at your door at midnight and even though the story is ridiculous it's filled 2736 03:32:24,814 --> 03:32:26,900 with strange slapstick violence. 2737 03:32:31,821 --> 03:32:34,783 It really, it gives it a special place in my heart. 2738 03:32:43,250 --> 03:32:46,336 When I got the script of Phantasm 2, it wasn't called Phantasm 2. 2739 03:32:46,753 --> 03:32:49,381 It was called either American Gothic or Morningside. 2740 03:32:49,798 --> 03:32:52,133 It went through different versions. It was top-secret. 2741 03:32:52,550 --> 03:32:54,261 You get page two and it says the Tall Man 2742 03:32:54,678 --> 03:32:56,513 and I'm like yeah, I think I can figure out what it is. 2743 03:32:57,097 --> 03:33:01,184 Angus Scrimm and his Tall Man character couldn't be further apart. 2744 03:33:01,685 --> 03:33:05,939 Angus was the sweetest most gentle human being, a wonderful actor. 2745 03:33:06,356 --> 03:33:08,108 Just a sweet gentle soul. 2746 03:33:08,608 --> 03:33:11,903 When he becomes the Tall Man he just switches it 0nH.and"B0yF 2747 03:33:13,905 --> 03:33:15,782 And then switches it off and he's Angus. 2748 03:33:16,241 --> 03:33:17,617 Yeah, I love working with him. 2749 03:33:18,118 --> 03:33:20,829 It's so clear that they had a big budget on the sequel. 2750 03:33:21,121 --> 03:33:25,041 They were able to do a lot of the concepts that Don Coscarelli had had with the original 2751 03:33:25,500 --> 03:33:28,461 that he couldn't fully flesh out because he just didn't have the money. 2752 03:33:30,839 --> 03:33:33,883 Steve Patino created a ton of different spheres for the film. 2753 03:33:34,175 --> 03:33:35,051 He did a wonderful job. 2754 03:33:35,552 --> 03:33:39,931 Spheres were flying, spheres were dropping, spheres that had a little blade come out and 2755 03:33:40,348 --> 03:33:43,268 start spinning and spheres just for blood pumping. 2756 03:33:43,643 --> 03:33:46,396 He had dozens of these things for different effects. 2757 03:33:49,482 --> 03:33:56,948 Anytime you got that completely shiny chrome ball on set, it's basically a mirror reflecting 2758 03:33:57,240 --> 03:33:59,451 everything around it including the film crew. 2759 03:33:59,909 --> 03:34:02,829 So, you had to be very clever about how you shot it like through a hole in the wall or 2760 03:34:03,246 --> 03:34:05,332 something so the camera wouldn't be seen. 2761 03:34:05,915 --> 03:34:07,000 We had a lot of fun with them. 2762 03:34:07,500 --> 03:34:09,002 I even tried one on myself. 2763 03:34:09,878 --> 03:34:16,301 My favorite scene has to be when the ball is chasing the dude through the mausoleum 2764 03:34:16,801 --> 03:34:21,848 and it just comes up right in his head and you're like ah, that sucks and then the drill 2765 03:34:22,265 --> 03:34:23,016 comes out. 2766 03:34:27,437 --> 03:34:31,816 Not expecting that at all and just... and his blood flying everywhere. It drills through 2767 03:34:32,108 --> 03:34:32,859 the guy's brain. 2768 03:34:33,318 --> 03:34:35,362 It's insane. It's so well done. 2769 03:34:40,033 --> 03:34:44,371 Phantasm 2 in terms of its effects takes the whole franchise to a completely different 2770 03:34:44,788 --> 03:34:50,251 level and I don't think any of the films since have ever touched what the work in Phantasm 2 2771 03:34:50,668 --> 03:34:53,922 was like because I think that really set a bar for that whole series. 2772 03:35:06,726 --> 03:35:10,855 The Blob is a film that I think deserves to be up there with The Thing and The Fly as 2773 03:35:11,147 --> 03:35:12,440 one of the great '80s remakes. 2774 03:35:12,941 --> 03:35:17,946 It's really an example of how you can take an older film and use the new cinematic technology 2775 03:35:18,488 --> 03:35:22,033 and really tell the story in the best possible way. 2776 03:35:22,867 --> 03:35:27,288 It's a monster that doesn't really get quite the recognition that it deserves. 2777 03:35:27,705 --> 03:35:33,420 They had a much bloodier story it was different from the original it made The Blob an even 2778 03:35:33,795 --> 03:35:34,921 bigger force to be reckoned with. 2779 03:35:35,505 --> 03:35:41,553 Here you have this thing from outer space that is just a mindless killing machine. 2780 03:35:42,011 --> 03:35:46,015 It's just carving a path of destruction across this town, eating everybody in its way. 2781 03:35:46,433 --> 03:35:51,020 It kills a theater full of children. It's just something that they would have a hard 2782 03:35:51,312 --> 03:35:53,398 time getting away with today. 2783 03:36:09,789 --> 03:36:13,460 The 4th Nightmare on Elm Street film The Dream Master picks up where The Dream Warriors left 2784 03:36:14,127 --> 03:36:17,547 off and then quickly just kills all the survivors from that movie. 2785 03:36:24,053 --> 03:36:29,058 Kincaid is the first African American to ever survive a major horror film 2786 03:36:29,434 --> 03:36:35,064 and return to a sequel but I think they forgot because in Part 4 they killed my black 2787 03:36:35,523 --> 03:36:37,358 ass off during the credits almost. 2788 03:36:37,775 --> 03:36:43,156 So, I used to tell people if you want to see me don't get popcorn, don't get no drinks, 2789 03:36:43,448 --> 03:36:48,369 go straight to the theater and after about five or ten minutes then you can go get some drinks. 2790 03:36:49,662 --> 03:36:54,042 We actually filmed that in a junkyard and it took us a week to film that scene. 2791 03:36:54,542 --> 03:37:00,507 It was where Freddy came back to life and it was because of my dog that was named Jason. 2792 03:37:03,343 --> 03:37:09,265 And the dog pissed fire so... and that's what brought him to life. 2793 03:37:11,142 --> 03:37:16,814 If you go back and look at it Robert Englund had develop a swag about himself and he just 2794 03:37:17,273 --> 03:37:20,318 put on his hat and he said, "You shouldn't have buried me." 2795 03:37:23,488 --> 03:37:28,117 He stuck his razors into my chest and grabbed my heart. 2796 03:37:28,493 --> 03:37:31,788 I think he was supposed to pull it out but that was going to be too gross. 2797 03:37:37,710 --> 03:37:41,339 It goes on to feature a new bunch of kids fighting Freddy in their dreams including 2798 03:37:41,756 --> 03:37:45,301 The Dream Master which is an all-new thing that this movie came up with. 2799 03:37:47,303 --> 03:37:50,974 My favorite effect from the movie is done by Screaming Mad George who's really good 2800 03:37:51,266 --> 03:37:54,227 with bug effects and it's when Debbie becomes a cockroach. 2801 03:37:54,644 --> 03:37:56,479 We're talking full-on Gregor Samsa here. 2802 03:37:57,021 --> 03:38:02,777 She just turns into this gross, gooey, icky cockroach who's got antennae and limbs popping 2803 03:38:03,236 --> 03:38:07,323 out before she's ultimately crushed in a roach motel by Freddy with a one-liner. 2804 03:38:21,963 --> 03:38:27,135 Ken Russell was a very distinctive filmmaker who had a very distinctive point of view that 2805 03:38:27,427 --> 03:38:28,469 was slightly mad. 2806 03:38:28,928 --> 03:38:32,640 He took on a Bram Stoker short story called The Lair of the White Worm. 2807 03:38:33,224 --> 03:38:37,562 Amanda Donohoe plays this priestess of the white worm, sort of. 2808 03:38:38,563 --> 03:38:42,692 It's crazy, it's funny, it's really haunting and spooky. 2809 03:38:43,151 --> 03:38:47,280 The Lair of the White Worm also has one of the first performances of Hugh Grant and he's 2810 03:38:47,697 --> 03:38:49,949 the fumbling, charming guy that we all expect. 2811 03:38:58,249 --> 03:39:02,629 But it's in the British countryside and it has to do with curses and ancient religions 2812 03:39:03,254 --> 03:39:06,716 and things and it's very much a Ken Russell special. 2813 03:39:07,342 --> 03:39:12,597 A really wonderful, unique movie that you would never expect came from a short story written 2814 03:39:12,972 --> 03:39:15,224 by the same guy who wrote the book, Dracula. 2815 03:39:24,817 --> 03:39:28,154 Elvira: Mistress of the Dark was like a dream come true. 2816 03:39:28,655 --> 03:39:34,243 We finally get to see Cassandra Peterson do an extended version of Elvira and some of her 2817 03:39:34,619 --> 03:39:36,120 little hosting snippets. 2818 03:39:36,579 --> 03:39:39,666 We get to see her personality and we were not disappointed. 2819 03:39:40,416 --> 03:39:46,589 It became such a great way to make the character three-dimensional, myself and the two writers 2820 03:39:47,173 --> 03:39:49,217 that I worked with John Paragon and Sam Egan. 2821 03:39:49,801 --> 03:39:53,346 It was like a discovery every day, kind of about myself. It was almost like a therapy session. 2822 03:39:54,263 --> 03:39:59,060 Here she is this woman that looks like something between some kind of a sorceress vampire witch, 2823 03:39:59,352 --> 03:40:02,814 we don't know what, and she wants to be a showgirl in Las Vegas. 2824 03:40:03,815 --> 03:40:06,067 It actually came from my real life so... 2825 03:40:07,402 --> 03:40:10,238 It was fun discovering who Elvira was. 2826 03:40:11,280 --> 03:40:15,368 She just went on a road trip where she's like a fish out of water and the townspeople just 2827 03:40:15,910 --> 03:40:19,580 want to crucify her. But we all know she's super cool. 2828 03:40:20,081 --> 03:40:24,043 I put my life on the line in that movie so many times being surrounded by fire 2829 03:40:24,335 --> 03:40:28,297 first on the pyre up there and then later when the house is burning down. 2830 03:40:28,798 --> 03:40:29,966 That fire is real. 2831 03:40:30,299 --> 03:40:34,262 I mean my wig would have gone up with all that hairspray, like a bomb. 2832 03:40:34,762 --> 03:40:40,601 So, I was covered from head to toe in flame-retardant which they failed to tell me made 2833 03:40:40,977 --> 03:40:46,566 you itch like mad and I have my hands tied behind my back so I couldn't scratch myself. 2834 03:40:46,983 --> 03:40:49,318 I was wanting to tear my skin off. 2835 03:40:49,610 --> 03:40:51,237 It's making me itch right now. 2836 03:40:57,869 --> 03:41:00,413 We had the casserole monster's scene we call it. 2837 03:41:00,705 --> 03:41:05,126 The pot monster was a puppet, the guys that were under the table had to get 2838 03:41:05,501 --> 03:41:10,173 very, very close to me and I was like oh, no just come on sit right here between my 2839 03:41:10,465 --> 03:41:12,800 legs and I guess they had a great time down there. 2840 03:41:16,929 --> 03:41:20,349 It's such a good movie. It's so well done and she was just a hero 2841 03:41:20,683 --> 03:41:23,352 to little horror girls like me, it's like... 2842 03:41:30,902 --> 03:41:34,238 So Pumpkinhead is an amazing film. 2843 03:41:34,655 --> 03:41:41,162 It has Lance Henriksen as the dad who loses his adorable little kid and understandably 2844 03:41:41,454 --> 03:41:43,039 wants revenge. 2845 03:41:43,498 --> 03:41:50,546 So, he brings back this crazy monster which is my favorite all-time monster ever and revenge 2846 03:41:50,922 --> 03:41:51,631 happens 2847 03:41:52,381 --> 03:41:58,429 It's makeup effects legend Stan Winston's directorial debut and Tom WoodruffJr. as 2848 03:41:58,888 --> 03:42:00,431 the dude in the pumpkin head suit. 2849 03:42:00,890 --> 03:42:02,350 People ask, "What was your favorite movie?" 2850 03:42:02,642 --> 03:42:03,935 And I always tell them it was Pumpkinhead. 2851 03:42:04,560 --> 03:42:09,482 And he turned over the design aspects of that entire show to us, his guys and we were going 2852 03:42:10,107 --> 03:42:12,819 to design Pumpkinhead and Stan was busy directing. 2853 03:42:13,402 --> 03:42:16,948 So, that was an affirmative nod from Stan to let us do that. 2854 03:42:18,407 --> 03:42:21,369 We always wanted to make sure that we were delivering something to the audience that 2855 03:42:21,911 --> 03:42:23,746 didn't seem like the guy in a rubber suit. 2856 03:42:24,205 --> 03:42:28,334 We would do things like extend the legs with a leg extension to make them long and skinny 2857 03:42:28,668 --> 03:42:32,421 and the suit was very thin in places so it didn't add a lot of bulk. 2858 03:42:33,172 --> 03:42:35,842 It was all practical but it was a little bit of puppetry, it was a little bit of man in suit 2859 03:42:36,300 --> 03:42:38,344 but I just love the design of what Pumpkinhead was. 2860 03:42:38,845 --> 03:42:42,807 There he was with this kind of bulbous head but he was very demonic, he had this long tail, 2861 03:42:43,349 --> 03:42:45,893 he was able to climb trees and take out people. 2862 03:42:48,688 --> 03:42:52,400 Whenever Pumkinhead was walking around you can hear this weird chittering noise 2863 03:42:52,859 --> 03:42:53,651 in the background. 2864 03:42:54,110 --> 03:42:57,488 It sounded like cicadas and you always knew if you heard that, you were doomed. 2865 03:43:05,079 --> 03:43:08,374 It was always hard for me in the suits to communicate but when Stan would get close 2866 03:43:08,833 --> 03:43:12,295 I'd say can we do the King Kong thing? And he goes the thing with the T-Rex. 2867 03:43:12,587 --> 03:43:16,090 So, we both knew exactly what we're saying and that was thing where you pick up Joel's 2868 03:43:16,549 --> 03:43:18,843 head and kind of move it around a little bit and play with it. 2869 03:43:19,260 --> 03:43:25,391 Even though this was an '80s movie it extended much further before that from when we both 2870 03:43:25,892 --> 03:43:31,147 had each had seen King Kong and we brought that into some kind of life for a moment. 2871 03:43:43,868 --> 03:43:48,289 After Halloween 3 confused the hell out of everyone and bombed at the box office, 2872 03:43:48,581 --> 03:43:50,791 they resurrected everyone's favorite slasher. 2873 03:43:51,500 --> 03:43:55,546 Halloween 4 has Michael Myers returning to Haddonfield this time to stalk his niece 2874 03:43:55,838 --> 03:43:58,132 Jamie Lloyd played by a young Danielle Harris. 2875 03:44:00,176 --> 03:44:05,306 My favorite kill in this one is mostly because of the victim who is played by Kathleen Kinmont 2876 03:44:05,681 --> 03:44:09,143 wearing a very memorable shirt that says, "Cops do it by the book.” 2877 03:44:09,560 --> 03:44:13,272 Michael just takes a shotgun and instead of using it to shoot her, he impales her into 2878 03:44:13,648 --> 03:44:15,983 the wall with the barrel of the shotgun. 2879 03:44:19,612 --> 03:44:24,492 I think Halloween 4 is really the movie that made Michael into one of the iconic slashers. 2880 03:44:31,582 --> 03:44:33,834 Michael Myers you're just like Jason Voorhees. 2881 03:44:45,054 --> 03:44:50,685 One of the things about the '80s it was just different than my belief system as the unrestrained 2882 03:44:51,143 --> 03:44:54,981 capitalism that came into being, Reagan brought it in. 2883 03:44:55,606 --> 03:44:59,902 The things that he implemented I felt were not real great for people. 2884 03:45:00,319 --> 03:45:02,113 Especially low-income folks. 2885 03:45:02,571 --> 03:45:04,573 This greed is good business was just... 2886 03:45:05,074 --> 03:45:05,866 I just couldn't... 2887 03:45:06,283 --> 03:45:07,535 I couldn't believe it. 2888 03:45:12,540 --> 03:45:14,583 They Live was the response. 2889 03:45:15,167 --> 03:45:19,755 John had upped his game as a director by the time we got to They Live. 2890 03:45:20,631 --> 03:45:29,056 It's political significance and resonance is probably more acute today than it was even then. 2891 03:45:29,598 --> 03:45:34,603 I had to come up with a visual device that showed the audience the hidden reality around them. 2892 03:45:35,187 --> 03:45:37,523 And so the sunglasses were a perfect metaphor. 2893 03:45:44,321 --> 03:45:48,701 Jim Danforth did these matte paintings and they would work in black and white with sunglasses. 2894 03:45:49,118 --> 03:45:50,536 Perfect for our low budget. 2895 03:45:51,370 --> 03:45:54,457 Subliminal messages put in advertising. 2896 03:45:54,915 --> 03:45:56,834 They Live addressed it head bang on. 2897 03:45:57,418 --> 03:46:00,254 You don't know what messages are being broadcast to us today. 2898 03:46:00,713 --> 03:46:03,007 That's not necessarily an alien concept. 2899 03:46:07,636 --> 03:46:10,389 The fight in They Live was fun to stage. 2900 03:46:10,681 --> 03:46:12,641 We rehearsed it for quite a while. 2901 03:46:13,059 --> 03:46:17,313 Roddy's a wrestler and he fights for a living, so we had to put a big fight in. 2902 03:46:17,772 --> 03:46:19,231 The guy I'm impressed with is Keith. 2903 03:46:19,648 --> 03:46:20,733 He did great. 2904 03:46:24,612 --> 03:46:25,905 We rehearsed it for like two weeks. 2905 03:46:26,614 --> 03:46:31,660 It was very well-choreographed, very well designed, fashioned after the fight in 2906 03:46:31,952 --> 03:46:33,079 The Quiet Man. 2907 03:46:34,914 --> 03:46:36,582 We had such, such fun. 2908 03:46:37,166 --> 03:46:39,251 I never felt safer in a fight in my life. 2909 03:46:39,752 --> 03:46:43,672 It was Roddy, he taught me more about selling it with a few great moves. 2910 03:46:47,843 --> 03:46:55,226 Roddy gave me a notebook of his that had lines that he would give for interviews 2911 03:46:55,684 --> 03:46:57,019 and at wrestling matches. 2912 03:47:04,819 --> 03:47:11,242 That was one he had written down and made up for I think Playboy Buddy Rose in a match 2913 03:47:11,617 --> 03:47:12,451 they had together. 2914 03:47:13,160 --> 03:47:14,537 So I just used it. 2915 03:47:14,995 --> 03:47:19,333 Roddy and I became good friends and over the years we would see each other and hang out 2916 03:47:19,750 --> 03:47:20,793 every once in a while. 2917 03:47:21,210 --> 03:47:24,046 One of the sweetest, most gracious human beings I've ever known. 2918 03:47:26,590 --> 03:47:29,135 I don't think there's been a movie quite like They Live. 2919 03:47:29,635 --> 03:47:35,474 It stands alone and in terms of its reference to the politics of the times and so forth. 2920 03:47:37,893 --> 03:47:41,897 I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubblegum. 2921 03:47:53,701 --> 03:47:57,913 I wanted to do a killer doll movie and I saw the commercial potential there. 2922 03:47:58,455 --> 03:48:03,043 When we were little kids all of us had thought to ourselves wouldn't it be cool if our toys 2923 03:48:03,502 --> 03:48:07,965 and playthings came alive... or wouldn't it be terrifying? 2924 03:48:08,757 --> 03:48:14,346 You saw it in Poltergeist with Tobe Hooper with the clown coming out from under the bed 2925 03:48:14,847 --> 03:48:16,682 and it was like the biggest scare in the movie. 2926 03:48:16,974 --> 03:48:20,853 That moment made me want to do Child's Play if I could pull it off. 2927 03:48:21,353 --> 03:48:27,318 I wanted Chucky to be a darkly humorous figure and in a way, you can sort of reduce Chucky's 2928 03:48:27,860 --> 03:48:34,950 appeal if you're so inclined to a cute little doll that says fuck a lot and knifes you to death. 2929 03:48:39,288 --> 03:48:43,876 There is something amusing about that because it's inherently absurd. 2930 03:48:44,877 --> 03:48:47,671 Who's going to believe a little seven-year-old kid about his doll coming alive? 2931 03:48:47,963 --> 03:48:51,217 With any kind of movie like Child's Play in order to make it believable you have to add 2932 03:48:51,675 --> 03:48:54,220 that moment where you say, "Look ma, no wires." 2933 03:49:02,519 --> 03:49:07,233 The scariest moment in Child's Play is probably when Catherine Hicks finally realizes that 2934 03:49:07,858 --> 03:49:11,445 her son, her little boy has been telling the truth and the doll is malevolently alive 2935 03:49:11,987 --> 03:49:14,865 and she opens the compartment and there are no batteries in there. 2936 03:49:15,157 --> 03:49:17,785 Okay good, but then you get The Exorcist. 2937 03:49:18,202 --> 03:49:21,914 The head does 180-degree turn and looks up at her and says, 2938 03:49:22,957 --> 03:49:25,084 Hi, I'm Chucky wanna play? 2939 03:49:26,418 --> 03:49:27,544 It scares the hell out of her. 2940 03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:31,882 And I put Brad Dourif's voice behind it and Brad had played the villain for me in 2941 03:49:32,299 --> 03:49:33,217 Fatal Beauty. 2942 03:49:36,470 --> 03:49:39,515 It's the fiendish glee that Chucky has. 2943 03:49:47,273 --> 03:49:53,779 Chucky subverts the status quo and he goes after authority figures and he has his way 2944 03:49:54,280 --> 03:49:55,072 with them. 2945 03:49:56,365 --> 03:50:03,914 I think the appeal of the killer doll trope is partly primal and maybe Freudian. 2946 03:50:08,210 --> 03:50:13,549 I think as long as there are flashlights and you can turn them on under a chin, under a 2947 03:50:13,882 --> 03:50:17,636 doll, it's sort of a no fail prescription for terror right there. 2948 03:50:29,565 --> 03:50:35,279 Hellbound is really the story of Kirsty's descent into hell to look for her father. 2949 03:50:40,993 --> 03:50:46,582 Dr. Channard who was well as being a brain surgeon has also developed his own fascination 2950 03:50:46,957 --> 03:50:48,500 with lament configurations. 2951 03:50:49,710 --> 03:50:53,422 The blood brings Julia back to life out of the mattress. 2952 03:50:53,922 --> 03:50:56,967 She becomes Dr. Channard's kind of pet. 2953 03:50:57,426 --> 03:51:01,889 I had talked to Clive obviously a lot about the character of Pinhead and I knew he had been 2954 03:51:02,264 --> 03:51:02,931 a human being. 2955 03:51:03,349 --> 03:51:08,020 I developed the idea that he was in mourning for a humanity that he couldn't remember clearly. 2956 03:51:08,520 --> 03:51:15,903 The opening sequence with Elliot Spencer acquiring the box and being transformed into Pinhead. 2957 03:51:17,780 --> 03:51:22,368 At the end of the film we see the transformation back when Kirsty confronts him with that 2958 03:51:22,785 --> 03:51:28,415 photograph of Elliot Spencer and he remembers the humanity that he had lost. 2959 03:51:31,627 --> 03:51:38,008 Hellraiser 2, it gave you an insight into the Cenobites that wasn't really there with the 2960 03:51:38,300 --> 03:51:39,051 first one. 2961 03:51:39,551 --> 03:51:44,139 Favorite scene from that is when the doctor is being turned into a Cenobite and then after 2962 03:51:44,556 --> 03:51:46,892 he comes out of the chamber he's like... 2963 03:51:47,351 --> 03:51:50,813 And to think, I hesitated. 2964 03:51:51,188 --> 03:51:53,899 It's so amazing because it's like he went through 2965 03:51:54,358 --> 03:51:57,903 this hell and he didn't want to but then he comes out afterwards and he's a Cenobite and 2966 03:51:58,195 --> 03:52:00,906 it's like oh, this is what it's all about. 2967 03:52:02,699 --> 03:52:08,580 Shift in the exchange rates shaved a substantial chunk off the budget and it was decided to 2968 03:52:09,039 --> 03:52:10,833 go ahead in compromised form. 2969 03:52:11,208 --> 03:52:16,964 And it's a shame, it would have given us that insight into where Clive's notions of this 2970 03:52:17,339 --> 03:52:23,470 realm, this place where the Cenobites are and the idea of Leviathan that is introduced 2971 03:52:23,846 --> 03:52:28,142 in the screenplay but never really fully explored. 2972 03:52:34,064 --> 03:52:37,151 Troma is a classic cult movie studio we're the last one. 2973 03:52:37,609 --> 03:52:41,822 We're the only ones who've been able to survive and the reason is our fans. 2974 03:52:42,197 --> 03:52:45,117 We've got a fan base who are very devoted and they're very active. 2975 03:52:45,617 --> 03:52:49,288 And now of course with the internet we've got 500,000 people every month with whom we 2976 03:52:49,663 --> 03:52:50,664 are interacting. 2977 03:52:51,039 --> 03:52:52,082 So, that's the secret. 2978 03:52:52,499 --> 03:52:58,672 Even if the horror film is cheaply, badly made, horror fans will support you. 2979 03:52:59,131 --> 03:53:00,674 The fans, they're the best. 2980 03:53:01,049 --> 03:53:04,470 It's like you're meeting your people, you're meeting your tribe. 2981 03:53:05,095 --> 03:53:14,062 They are the most loyal, the most knowledgeable fan base that anybody could wish to have. 2982 03:53:14,855 --> 03:53:21,820 I feel like horror fans are some of the most self-actualized people because they allow 2983 03:53:22,112 --> 03:53:27,159 themselves to see and experience the darker aspects of life. 2984 03:53:27,826 --> 03:53:29,244 We're all kind of the misfits. 2985 03:53:29,661 --> 03:53:32,498 We're all of cultural misfits. 2986 03:53:33,207 --> 03:53:38,170 A lot of us share the same sort of sense of not being the popular one, being the nerd 2987 03:53:38,545 --> 03:53:42,466 or the geek, which sometimes nowadays is sort of cool, back then it was not cool. 2988 03:53:43,133 --> 03:53:45,052 So, you bond over these things. 2989 03:53:45,469 --> 03:53:49,806 So, as we get older and we find these groups of people on social media or at conventions 2990 03:53:50,224 --> 03:53:54,144 you have an immediate understanding and a bond over the genre. 2991 03:53:54,937 --> 03:54:00,317 Horror fans who love horror and who passed it down to their children are some of the 2992 03:54:00,692 --> 03:54:02,194 most open people that I know. 2993 03:54:02,694 --> 03:54:08,033 Somebody will show me a picture of me at a horror convention holding an infant. 2994 03:54:08,575 --> 03:54:12,913 They go, "That's me", and they're now 25 years old. 2995 03:54:13,247 --> 03:54:19,920 I held that person at a horror convention when they were still shitting themselves. 2996 03:54:21,880 --> 03:54:24,841 And now, they're standing in front of me with their own kids. 2997 03:54:25,175 --> 03:54:30,472 I've had people come up to me and have me sign my name and then a couple hours later 2998 03:54:30,806 --> 03:54:33,183 they've gone and tattooed my name on there. 2999 03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:35,852 So they're like fans, those are the real fans. 3000 03:54:36,270 --> 03:54:39,523 I've met horror fans from all walks of life. 3001 03:54:39,982 --> 03:54:43,569 There is no stereotypical one, I don't think. 3002 03:54:44,194 --> 03:54:47,114 That's why it's hard to almost describe the average horror fan because you can see someone 3003 03:54:47,447 --> 03:54:52,703 walking down the street with a black shirt that has a horror design on it or ink or whatever 3004 03:54:53,203 --> 03:54:56,665 and then you can also see someone who just came from a business meeting in a suit and tie 3005 03:54:57,124 --> 03:54:59,710 but then they'll pull up their pants a little bit to show you their horror socks. 3006 03:55:00,252 --> 03:55:02,504 A horror fan can be anyone, they're everywhere. 3007 03:55:03,005 --> 03:55:06,258 I'm a fan who found his way into the profession. 3008 03:55:06,925 --> 03:55:13,265 I've went to my first convention in 1975 in Pittsburgh and it gave me a really unique 3009 03:55:13,682 --> 03:55:16,226 sense of being connected with something that I love. 3010 03:55:16,768 --> 03:55:19,855 I still go to shows as a fan and sometimes as a guest. 3011 03:55:20,439 --> 03:55:23,692 We celebrate it, we love it, we're passionate about it. 3012 03:55:24,234 --> 03:55:26,153 What I love about horror, it's this unifier. 3013 03:55:27,154 --> 03:55:28,614 You can be from any walk of life. 3014 03:55:29,323 --> 03:55:32,117 You can be straight, you can be gay, you can be white, you can be black. 3015 03:55:32,409 --> 03:55:33,493 It doesn't matter. 3016 03:55:33,994 --> 03:55:37,706 Horror knows no race. It knows no sex, it knows no age. 3017 03:55:38,415 --> 03:55:43,045 Horror is this universal thing that we all come together over. 3018 03:56:01,813 --> 03:56:03,523 I think The Burbs is a very unique film. 3019 03:56:03,940 --> 03:56:09,279 It is a comedy but it's dark, and that commercially was a problem. 3020 03:56:09,946 --> 03:56:15,243 It was marketed like a light Tom Hanks comedy at the time when Tom Hanks was just doing 3021 03:56:15,827 --> 03:56:18,955 very light, fun, enjoyable romps. 3022 03:56:19,539 --> 03:56:25,295 And it has a really dark kind of mean streak to it, that I think was embraced by Joe Dante. 3023 03:56:30,050 --> 03:56:34,137 The Burbs is nominally a horror film in that it's about creepy neighbors. 3024 03:56:34,429 --> 03:56:37,265 And when I was a kid, we had people in the neighborhood who people thought were creepy 3025 03:56:37,724 --> 03:56:41,019 and we would make up stuff about what was going on in there and you couldn't go there on Halloween 3026 03:56:41,311 --> 03:56:43,188 because then we wouldn't come out and all that nonsense. 3027 03:56:43,730 --> 03:56:48,443 It's a movie about the way these people behave when they're basically bored in their suburban 3028 03:56:48,902 --> 03:56:52,280 setting and need to invent some excitement for themselves. 3029 03:56:59,579 --> 03:57:03,166 In the original script it wasn't explained what the Klopeks were up to. 3030 03:57:03,834 --> 03:57:08,380 The audience had to imagine it and so all of these clues of the strange noises at night 3031 03:57:08,714 --> 03:57:12,217 and lights and people digging all that stuff was just blithely unexplained. 3032 03:57:12,676 --> 03:57:16,722 But then when Torn Hanks was cast the studio said you can't do the ending we've got now, 3033 03:57:17,222 --> 03:57:19,683 they take him off on an ambulance and he's going to die. You can't kill Tom Hanks. 3034 03:57:20,058 --> 03:57:21,476 Then we shot three different endings. 3035 03:57:22,060 --> 03:57:24,563 One of which is on the laserdisc and then one of which got destroyed where they open 3036 03:57:24,938 --> 03:57:28,024 up the trunk and the garbagemen from earlier in the movie, Dick Miller and Bob Picardo 3037 03:57:28,316 --> 03:57:29,192 are in the trunk. 3038 03:57:29,484 --> 03:57:31,403 And there is another ending where it was full of cheerleaders. 3039 03:57:31,695 --> 03:57:33,864 So, that was a topical joke and none of which made it. 3040 03:57:34,281 --> 03:57:36,283 We had ended it up being a bunch of skulls which we shot later. 3041 03:57:53,759 --> 03:57:58,680 976 - EVIL was Robert Englund's directorial debut and a lot of people don't know that. 3042 03:57:59,389 --> 03:58:04,436 Especially because it's such a corny idea for a film but back then 976 3043 03:58:04,853 --> 03:58:08,231 and 1-800 collect and all that like they were a thing. 3044 03:58:08,607 --> 03:58:10,525 Toll numbers were kind of a big deal. 3045 03:58:11,109 --> 03:58:15,655 You would call 976 - EVIL and you had a line in to the devil. 3046 03:58:18,950 --> 03:58:21,328 You murder this person and I will make you popular. 3047 03:58:22,204 --> 03:58:26,291 You had this one kid who's this social outcast and he's kind of nerdy. 3048 03:58:26,917 --> 03:58:30,212 He is giving the devil what he wants and he is turning into a demon. 3049 03:58:31,797 --> 03:58:33,965 His friend is trying to stop him. 3050 03:58:35,425 --> 03:58:40,347 It's actually kind of a sad really like neat movie and not as well-known as it should be 3051 03:58:40,680 --> 03:58:45,727 especially for something with Robert Englund attached. Because at the time, he was huge 3052 03:58:46,269 --> 03:58:47,729 with A Nightmare on Elm Street. 3053 03:58:49,397 --> 03:58:54,694 My favorite part of that, he's at his house and he has since killed his caretaker. 3054 03:58:58,156 --> 03:59:02,661 His friend and his teacher are coming to the house to try to either stop him or save him. 3055 03:59:03,203 --> 03:59:07,791 It opens up a gateway to hell and the whole house freezes because hell froze over. 3056 03:59:08,291 --> 03:59:11,711 So it was kind of a funny little thing that Robert Englund threw in there. 3057 03:59:26,101 --> 03:59:28,478 Pet Sematary was directed by Mary Lambert. 3058 03:59:28,895 --> 03:59:35,485 One of the few female directors in horror at that time and it scared the crap out of me 3059 03:59:35,777 --> 03:59:37,112 when I was little. 3060 03:59:37,696 --> 03:59:40,073 I literally slept with the lights on for like months. 3061 03:59:40,699 --> 03:59:45,662 It's based on a novel by Stephen King and he had to draw from some aspects of his life. 3062 03:59:46,454 --> 03:59:47,831 Probably not the cat coming back. 3063 03:59:54,087 --> 03:59:59,259 But I know that they live on a country road and his son actually went out in the street 3064 03:59:59,593 --> 04:00:01,887 and he had to save him from a big old truck. 3065 04:00:03,763 --> 04:00:08,518 Gage getting run over is just still to this day the most traumatizing thing ever. 3066 04:00:09,060 --> 04:00:14,774 Like just tears every time I see that little foot and his shoe and he's so sweet. 3067 04:00:15,358 --> 04:00:20,030 Pet Sematary is one of those interesting projects because it touches on a lot of different fears. 3068 04:00:20,447 --> 04:00:27,454 You have Mary Lambert going into the fear of death and the fear of what happens next. 3069 04:00:27,787 --> 04:00:32,417 Mary Lambert also confronts these things that a lot of us don't really talk about. 3070 04:00:32,876 --> 04:00:34,586 These deep, dark family secrets. 3071 04:00:35,462 --> 04:00:40,050 Of course Zelda who terrified a whole generation of horror fans. 3072 04:00:46,556 --> 04:00:50,435 The best thing about this movie for me is Fred Gwynne and his Maine accent he's doing. 3073 04:00:51,186 --> 04:00:52,854 Sometimes dead is better. 3074 04:00:56,024 --> 04:00:58,860 Well, then why you taking all these bodies up to the pet sematary Fred? 3075 04:00:59,277 --> 04:01:00,487 Why are you doing that? 3076 04:01:01,696 --> 04:01:06,201 When little Miko Hughes like jumps out of the attic with his little knife that was a great scene. 3077 04:01:06,618 --> 04:01:09,204 I mean there's some really great scenes in that movie. 3078 04:01:10,747 --> 04:01:13,458 He's the one who basically does most of the damage. 3079 04:01:13,750 --> 04:01:15,502 This tiny, little, adorable child. 3080 04:01:16,711 --> 04:01:21,883 When Dale Midkiff basically injects Gage with the drugs to essentially kill him at the end, 3081 04:01:22,258 --> 04:01:27,639 I love when he's walking down the hallway and Gage looks at him and goes, "No fair." 3082 04:01:32,268 --> 04:01:35,814 You don't hear Freddy Krueger when he's getting killed saying no fair. 3083 04:01:36,856 --> 04:01:40,819 It was towards the end of the '80s where you were starting to see a little bit of a shift 3084 04:01:41,152 --> 04:01:43,905 in the genre and there was a little bit more of a heaviness. 3085 04:01:44,322 --> 04:01:46,950 And I think Pet Sematary perfectly reflects that. 3086 04:02:02,632 --> 04:02:07,262 Friday the 13th Part 8 is Jason Takes Manhattan and people were so excited for him to finally 3087 04:02:07,679 --> 04:02:10,348 leave Camp Crystal Lake and go to the Big Apple, New York. 3088 04:02:10,682 --> 04:02:14,686 Except he spent the whole movie on a boat and then when he got to New York it was actually 3089 04:02:15,061 --> 04:02:16,271 Vancouver most of the time. 3090 04:02:16,730 --> 04:02:19,024 My favorite kill from this one is actually kind of a low-key one. 3091 04:02:19,441 --> 04:02:21,067 It's when he kills Kelly Hu. 3092 04:02:23,111 --> 04:02:24,654 That's another kill that I like. 3093 04:02:25,030 --> 04:02:28,158 See I've done so many kills I forget about some of my favorites. 3094 04:02:28,616 --> 04:02:34,581 Killing Kelly Hu in the disco it made me look so much better because it was a very low ceiling 3095 04:02:35,081 --> 04:02:36,124 on the dance floor. 3096 04:02:36,666 --> 04:02:40,462 So that we came up with the idea of picking her up by her neck and choking her against 3097 04:02:40,754 --> 04:02:42,422 the ceiling. Very creative. 3098 04:02:43,048 --> 04:02:47,719 She was so game to do whatever we needed to do to make it look good because that couldn't 3099 04:02:48,136 --> 04:02:49,387 have been comfortable. 3100 04:02:49,846 --> 04:02:54,476 When I throw the stunt girl, she has to hit the ground without breaking her fall. 3101 04:02:54,934 --> 04:02:59,731 So, those sometimes are the hardest stunts to do because you just have to hit 3102 04:03:00,023 --> 04:03:01,232 however you hit. 3103 04:03:04,194 --> 04:03:09,032 They did do one day in New York City in Times Square and that's the best part of the movie. 3104 04:03:09,657 --> 04:03:14,162 This wide circling shot of Jason Voorhees in the middle of Times Square. 3105 04:03:18,708 --> 04:03:23,963 We have the entire Times Square area right in the middle as where we're shooting. 3106 04:03:24,422 --> 04:03:28,718 Hundreds of people are watching, the NYPD is holding people back. 3107 04:03:29,010 --> 04:03:30,595 I felt like a rock star, man. 3108 04:03:30,887 --> 04:03:35,892 I never took the mask off that whole night because I didn't want to destroy the image 3109 04:03:36,351 --> 04:03:37,477 of people watching. 3110 04:03:51,825 --> 04:03:54,327 The Stepfather was another one of those great discoveries. 3111 04:03:54,786 --> 04:03:58,748 I went to an early screening of it knowing nothing about it and was just so impressed 3112 04:03:59,040 --> 04:04:04,003 by how well it was written, how well it was pulled off, Terry O'Quinn's performance in the lead. 3113 04:04:04,629 --> 04:04:06,381 It just surprised me in so many ways. 3114 04:04:06,881 --> 04:04:13,012 If you've seen the original film, Joe Ruben arranges the bodies of his movie family in 3115 04:04:13,388 --> 04:04:20,812 a tableau of blood and body parts and gore and stillness and silence. 3116 04:04:21,187 --> 04:04:28,361 What I liked about our script in Stepfather 2 the continuation of it, is it had an extraordinary 3117 04:04:28,903 --> 04:04:30,780 macabre variety of humor. 3118 04:04:31,447 --> 04:04:34,617 A very black, sick, twisted sense of humor. 3119 04:04:37,495 --> 04:04:44,544 The scene I like best in the film is when he puts the body of Meg Foster's suitor. 3120 04:04:44,836 --> 04:04:46,379 He murders him. 3121 04:04:49,924 --> 04:04:53,970 Rolls him up in a rug, puts him in the trunk of the car and then he takes the guy's car 3122 04:04:54,345 --> 04:04:59,767 to the wrecking yard to dump it. And he spends his time in the wrecking yard wrecking the 3123 04:05:00,226 --> 04:05:05,106 the car, running into things. So it can be camouflaged and stay in the wrecking yard. 3124 04:05:08,276 --> 04:05:11,905 And we came to the point where we were going to shoot my death scene. 3125 04:05:12,739 --> 04:05:17,702 The death scene that was originally scripted and shot, shows my character going to light 3126 04:05:18,369 --> 04:05:24,709 a fire in her fireplace and Terry O'Quinn shoves her head into the gas jet. 3127 04:05:25,335 --> 04:05:29,797 And for whatever reason I don't think it necessarily worked very well. 3128 04:05:30,298 --> 04:05:33,218 I think they wanted something a little more standard. 3129 04:05:33,885 --> 04:05:36,721 They want to hang you from your wind chimes in your kitchen. 3130 04:05:40,141 --> 04:05:43,603 It was the prop man's hands that you see around my throat strangling me. 3131 04:05:44,729 --> 04:05:51,861 And I had to wear a rig and they hung me up and there's a cat and there you go. 3132 04:06:06,918 --> 04:06:09,003 Society is directed by Brian Yuzna. 3133 04:06:09,379 --> 04:06:15,093 It looks like it's a 90210 Beverly Hills rich person type of problem situation but it turns 3134 04:06:15,510 --> 04:06:18,763 out that this kids' problems are a lot worse than you might expect. 3135 04:06:24,352 --> 04:06:27,272 The script was written by Woody Keith and Rick Fry. 3136 04:06:27,647 --> 04:06:29,649 It was so paranoiac. 3137 04:06:30,024 --> 04:06:33,569 It's not just about a secret society, it's about class. 3138 04:06:35,363 --> 04:06:37,657 I never could quite call it a horror movie. 3139 04:06:37,949 --> 04:06:39,909 It was just kind of weirder than that. 3140 04:06:46,207 --> 04:06:50,837 It's a sucker punch of a movie because of course, it pretends that it's some kind of a mystery 3141 04:06:51,296 --> 04:06:53,423 and then it turns into something else. 3142 04:06:53,965 --> 04:06:59,429 This movie's got conspiratorial elements, some incestual things and a lot of body transformation 3143 04:06:59,929 --> 04:07:03,308 courtesy of Screaming Mad George and it all culminates in the shunting. 3144 04:07:03,891 --> 04:07:05,643 What's the shunting? 3145 04:07:06,019 --> 04:07:08,438 You kind of just have to see it to understand. 3146 04:07:12,066 --> 04:07:14,944 There are so many images that stick with you. 3147 04:07:15,236 --> 04:07:16,946 Like I can see it all in my head. 3148 04:07:17,238 --> 04:07:19,449 Like everybody's joining and it's just madness. 3149 04:07:19,949 --> 04:07:21,242 An orgy of amazingness. 3150 04:07:21,951 --> 04:07:26,748 The wettest, goofiest movie I've ever seen because it's just like people turning people 3151 04:07:27,040 --> 04:07:27,915 inside out. 3152 04:07:28,333 --> 04:07:30,960 It definitely showed you that flesh could be super fluid. 3153 04:07:34,380 --> 04:07:38,593 The most fun I ever had on a set was doing the shunting because I just felt like I was 3154 04:07:38,968 --> 04:07:40,970 doing what I wanted to do. 3155 04:07:44,015 --> 04:07:47,560 The kid calls his dad a butthead because back then in the '80s butthead was like 3156 04:07:47,935 --> 04:07:48,978 a big term. 3157 04:07:50,980 --> 04:07:54,025 And we thought yeah, his dad's a butthead let's make his dad a butthead. 3158 04:07:59,781 --> 04:08:02,617 We had a lot of outtakes that were hilarious. 3159 04:08:03,159 --> 04:08:06,954 I think everybody thought their dad maybe was a butthead at one time or another. 3160 04:08:07,413 --> 04:08:09,415 Brian really hit it out of the park with that film. 3161 04:08:09,916 --> 04:08:12,627 It's now finally getting the recognition that it deserves. 3162 04:08:15,963 --> 04:08:21,135 A lot of my friends were actually kind of embarrassed for me when I showed them Society. 3163 04:08:21,761 --> 04:08:22,970 I thought it was great. 3164 04:08:28,434 --> 04:08:33,731 People think horror movies are kind of mindless but in actuality they're a way of making statements 3165 04:08:34,065 --> 04:08:37,318 about things that people really are afraid to talk about. 3166 04:08:37,777 --> 04:08:41,531 I always think that horror movies are very healthy because they're a way of taking those 3167 04:08:42,031 --> 04:08:46,244 fears and exorcising them in a way from your system. 3168 04:08:46,994 --> 04:08:51,749 I think the whole reason for repeated viewing of horror movies particularly the '80s horror 3169 04:08:52,041 --> 04:08:54,127 movies was that it was very cathartic. 3170 04:08:54,752 --> 04:08:56,003 They speak to the emotions. 3171 04:08:56,671 --> 04:09:00,800 This variety of emotions not just the dark emotions of fear and dread. 3172 04:09:01,092 --> 04:09:03,261 It's adrenaline, it's a drug. 3173 04:09:04,303 --> 04:09:06,222 You know, it's people love that. 3174 04:09:06,597 --> 04:09:12,145 The level of artistry is impressive undeniably and I think that if you look at the filmmakers 3175 04:09:12,645 --> 04:09:17,400 today that are working hard to uphold some of the more organic aspects of that work that 3176 04:09:17,817 --> 04:09:23,489 came out of the '80s. It is definitely homage and it is definitely growing completely out of 3177 04:09:24,198 --> 04:09:27,910 boundary-pushing and advancements that came out of the '80s that hold up if you go 3178 04:09:28,202 --> 04:09:29,495 back and watch them today. 3179 04:09:30,121 --> 04:09:35,543 The great thing about genre directors in the '80s, they were thinking what can we make? 3180 04:09:35,960 --> 04:09:37,462 Not what can we remake? 3181 04:09:38,045 --> 04:09:42,967 We're in a degenerate era today where all they think about is what can we remake? 3182 04:09:43,593 --> 04:09:45,720 Often titles from the '80s. 3183 04:09:46,262 --> 04:09:48,473 They were all about the original script. 3184 04:09:48,973 --> 04:09:52,977 They were all about the original idea, they were all about what hasn't been done before, 3185 04:09:53,603 --> 04:09:56,189 they were all about what will Hollywood refuse to make? 3186 04:09:56,647 --> 04:09:57,815 That's what we want to make. 3187 04:09:58,149 --> 04:10:02,111 There's nobody willing to get down and dirty the way they were in the '80s. 3188 04:10:02,403 --> 04:10:08,493 The problem today is everybody's trying to please all the people at all the same time 3189 04:10:09,118 --> 04:10:10,244 and you get baby food. 3190 04:10:10,745 --> 04:10:12,455 You can live on baby food but it's very boring. 3191 04:10:12,914 --> 04:10:18,085 Troma is the jalapeño pepper on the cultural pizza and there are a lot of people who want 3192 04:10:18,586 --> 04:10:21,047 jalapeño peppers on their cultural pizza, right? 3193 04:10:21,547 --> 04:10:24,800 I think as I get older, I don't subscribe to the term guilty pleasure, maybe when I 3194 04:10:25,259 --> 04:10:28,346 was a kid just because I was trying to defend myself and my tastes a little bit more. 3195 04:10:28,888 --> 04:10:32,266 Now that we have social media and everybody is a film critic, we all have these really 3196 04:10:32,642 --> 04:10:38,356 oddball tastes and we should all understand that while I might like Chopping Mall, I could 3197 04:10:38,856 --> 04:10:40,441 definitely understand why you wouldn't like Chopping Mall. 3198 04:10:41,067 --> 04:10:42,151 Just love what you love man. 3199 04:10:42,568 --> 04:10:43,903 It's nostalgia. 3200 04:10:44,195 --> 04:10:48,366 It's just well, I saw it when I was 11 so it's great because there's a certain lizard 3201 04:10:48,783 --> 04:10:51,160 part of your brain that's never going to be able to look critically at that movie that 3202 04:10:51,494 --> 04:10:52,578 did it for you at that certain age. 3203 04:10:53,037 --> 04:10:54,080 And we all have that movie. 3204 04:10:54,455 --> 04:10:58,751 By that same token, the classics are decided upon by the masses. 3205 04:11:00,127 --> 04:11:05,591 It's cool to watch these movies that we liked at the time get this critical reassessment 3206 04:11:06,092 --> 04:11:09,971 after a number of years and to see what gets sort of like decided as canon. 3207 04:11:11,806 --> 04:11:15,851 There's a real dilemma right now in terms of what I've been calling the digital divides. 3208 04:11:16,310 --> 04:11:21,649 Stuff was on VHS in the '80s and if it didn't make the leap to DVD then the odds are that 3209 04:11:22,024 --> 04:11:25,820 much less that it's going to make the leap to Blu-ray and now the odds are even much 3210 04:11:26,279 --> 04:11:28,864 less that somebody's going to like sell that transfer streaming rights somewhere. 3211 04:11:29,240 --> 04:11:32,952 And there is stuff that has vanished almost. 3212 04:11:33,244 --> 04:11:34,078 It's film history. 3213 04:11:34,537 --> 04:11:38,958 We talk about how the silent film era, how 75 or 8O percent of the films are all gone. 3214 04:11:39,250 --> 04:11:40,209 How could that happen? 3215 04:11:40,501 --> 04:11:41,961 But we're letting it happen again. 3216 04:11:42,420 --> 04:11:49,093 It's almost our duty as human beings to carry forth stories and not only as history but 3217 04:11:49,385 --> 04:11:52,138 as just talking about the human conditions. 3218 04:11:52,638 --> 04:11:56,809 It gives generations the opportunity to transfer information. 3219 04:11:57,351 --> 04:12:02,648 Regarding what we think is bad and evil and what good society looks like, what bad society 3220 04:12:03,065 --> 04:12:07,278 looks like. I think that information is crucial to pass down. 3221 04:12:07,612 --> 04:12:09,447 Maybe that's the job of the horror movie. 327222

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