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Well, the good thing about the '80s is that
there was such a cornucopia of great horror
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films that I remember.
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The Shining.
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Pet Sematary.
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The Halloween movies.
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A Nightmare on Elm Street.
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The Thing.
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Child's Play.
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Elvira: Mistress of the Dark.
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XTRO.
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The Company of Wolves.
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Cub.
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Jaws 3 in 3-D.
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The Howling.
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The Hunger.
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Basket Case.
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Maniac.
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The Lost Boys.
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Near Dark.
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Friday the 13th.
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Evil Dead.
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Evil Dead 2.
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The Return of the Living Dead.
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Day of the Dead.
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Poltergeist.
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An American Werewolf in London.
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Monster Squad.
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The Fly.
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Hellraiser.
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The Changeling.
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Re-Animator.
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Sleepaway Camp.
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Pumpkinhead and Friday 13th Part 4.
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In the '60s and '70s, horror was looked down on.
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The Hollywood community has always looked
at it as the redheaded stepchild.
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There was a huge blossoming of creative energy.
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The '80s had a lot of really good horror films
made.
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It's a time of such artistic freedom that
you could make anything.
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It was a free-for-all for concepts.
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Visual effects got incredibly elaborate in
the '80s.
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There was this strange sort of rebellious
nature.
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It started to be normal to have really kick-ass
women in great parts.
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We were getting creature movies, we were getting
vampire movies, we were getting more slasher movies.
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Everybody realized that horror could be fun.
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Like the lid was off man.
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Like you could do and say and create whatever
you wanted.
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We would just like completely nerd out about
all this stuff.
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It might have been cheesy but it was also
like holy crap.
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We have such sights to show you.
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I think every single person on this Earth
has a little bit of darkness in them.
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A horror film is a good avenue to really let
some of those feelings out.
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Being confronted with your fears in a movie
is so safe.
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Like the old cliché about the roller coaster.
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You get on, you're terrified, you know you're
not going to die, you get off, you went through
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something that you can share with your buddies
or your girlfriend or whomever and say
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"Wow, we did that."
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But there's also the confrontation of psychological
fears and most of us particularly as our hair
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grays, the fear is more about mortality than
it is about anything else.
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Why do we make up horror when we have so much
horror in the real world?
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And I think it's because it's a coping mechanism
for a lot of people.
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People love to watch horror because it's
a way of sublimating their own fears.
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Even though as a kid I couldn't watch them,
I was too afraid but there's something of
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I'm glad that's not me.
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They can enjoy someone else doing it and get
a little bit of a release.
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In everyone when they're watching a horror
movie likes to think of what they would do
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in that situation.
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That's why you always have the stereotype
of people yelling at the screen of like, "Don't
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go in there, don't go up the stairs"and
it's so fun to watch that and think about
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would I survive this horror movie?"
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The greatest war between good and evil always
takes place within our own souls.
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Horror tries to resolve that, tries to contend
with that.
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That's what all those stories are about.
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It's classic mythology.
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One of the reasons I think horror movies appeal
to a younger audience, there's a sense of
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immortality.
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They don't think about life or death and so
the body being rent asunder is more entertaining
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than it is personal.
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I think the more painful and the more genuine
the fears are that are confronted in horror
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movies the more therapeutic and more deeply
enriching the experience can be.
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So much stuff going on in the '80s - mind blowing
when you think back of you know,
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how much stuff there was.
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Movies or music or radio or we started the MTV
generation which led to a million other things
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that influenced movies and influenced
television and influenced more music.
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MTV was the hottest thing on Earth.
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You just had it on all the time.
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You know Cyndi Lauper of course, Torn Petty
and Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen.
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I knew the words to everything.
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The top 4O stuff was off the chain.
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I mean it was hit, after hit, after hit.
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Great group after great group.
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And there was a lot of good metal music in
the '80s.
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You know Metallica and Ozzy.
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Really saccharine Olivia Newton-John, romantic
ballads on the one hand and you had punk
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on the other hand.
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We had slicker action heroes.
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A lot of '80s hair going on.
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It was a lot like Mel Gibson's hair in Lethal
Weapon.
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Not sure I liked it.
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Mullet.
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Yeah, it wasn't pretty.
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We all had this big huge hair and Aqua Net.
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The hair was beyond teased.
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It was bullied.
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I remember Jane Fonda Workout watching people
walk down the street in workout outfits
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which to me was like completely bizarre.
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Big hair, big shoulder pads and cocaine.
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Lots of cocaine.
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Maybe Ronald Reagan inspired all the horror.
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You had the fuddy-duddy sort of older generation
saying no we let the kids play long enough
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at the wheel and now we're going to take the wheel
back over.
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And that was really the Reagan era.
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And it was a very oppressive and dark time.
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It was hard to be gay in that era, it was hard to state
certain political views in that period.
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Because the '80s were an era of excess in every
conceivable way.
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Drugs, disco, sex, the tragedy of the AIDS
epidemic.
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There were a lot of very heightened things
going on in that decade and the horror movies
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were an absolute reflection of that.
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And they say there's a theory that horror
thrives when there's a repressive government.
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What scares us says a lot about the society.
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After Halloween I had a deal with AVCO Embassy to
make two films and
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the first one turned out to be "The Fog".
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It was a ghost story conceived on a trip to
England and Stonehenge.
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I said to Debra Hill, man it's really amazing
here. And it's a fog bank at the time was off
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in the distance.
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"I wonder what's in there?", we said.
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I was gonna get hired for horror films.
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That's what was gonna happen because that's
where I had a hit.
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So, off we went.
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You know, it's kind of an old-fashioned ghost
story.
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It's not big, gory, scary stuff.
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The Fog was shot up in Point Reyes, California.
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It was a beautiful area.
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My dear friend Adrienne Barbeau.
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She spent the entire time up in that tower
and so, we were never ever on-screen together.
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Jamie Lee.
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She's hitchhiking and the first thing she says
when she gets in the car is, "Are you weird?"
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Are you weird?
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And then I offer her a sip of beer and then they cut
and there we are in bed.
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Just like that. It's that easy because I'm
smooth.
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I don't think it bothered her to get on that
scream queen path as long as she thought she
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might be able to get off of it.
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And she did.
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The Fog has Nick Castle as the lead.
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That's the name of the character in it.
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I also remember that very fondly because as
you pan across inside Adrienne's room, she's
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holding a baby and that's my son.
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The guys that come out of the fog at the end
into the church, take Hal Holbrook to heaven
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or hell, somewhere.
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The seaweed dudes, did not like.
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I did not like the seaweed dudes at all.
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They look great in their own
seaweedy oogy outfits.
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Big box fans and fog machines at the end of
a street trying to make enough fog to look
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eerie and creepy, threatening.
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The slightest breeze took it all away and
then to start over again kind of build it
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up and get it going.
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That was re-vamped after we finished it as
it didn't work and the script was changed.
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It didn't get going quick enough somehow.
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I was (sighs)... that was a nightmare.
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I don't ever want to do that again.
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In the Changeling, George C. Scott discovers
something's rotten in Seattle while investigating
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the death of a young child who used to live
at his creepy new mansion.
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He plays John Russell who's a composer recovering
from the tragedy of losing his family and
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he actually stars opposite his real-life wife
Trish van Devere as he comes to realize that
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the underage ghost wants to do more than just
play.
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It's a brooding melancholy tone poem and I just
really you know, I was hypnotized by that movie.
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You think its sort of a haunted house movie
but it's about so much more.
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It's so interesting and deep.
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The acting in it is incredible. The house
that they shot that film in is gorgeous and
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you think it's a real house but it's not.
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That was a set.
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And the exterior of that film was built over
another house that was existing.
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It's very mood inducing and anxiety producing
the whole way through.
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There's plenty of classic ghost story chills
in this one and The Changeling makes for a
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nice companion piece to Peter Straub's Ghost Story
adaptation which came out the following year
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I can remember seeing John Carpenter's Halloween
which unlike some sort of British horror
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you know, ghosty movie, it was very real feeling.
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I thought very well acted, extremely well shot.
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The idea that you could create a really simple
story that had scary elements connected to it
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opened the door to Friday the 13th.
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A lot of people make their first horror movies
because they're cheap, they don't require
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stars or anybody familiar and particularly
in the 1980s all you needed was a string of
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creative kills to make a successful movie
thanks to Friday the 13th in its ilk.
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We didn't have a clue that it was ever going
to be successful or going to be changing horror
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or anything like that.
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What we were trying to do is come up with
a credible movie that would run 9O minutes
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and have sound and words coming out of people's
mouths at the right time and hope that it
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worked out okay.
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That was our entire ambition.
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I think we were all flying by the seat of
our pants having a good time doing this.
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My death scene was really, really fun.
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Tom Savini made the mold of my neck and when
I lifted my head back like that,
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you know it would open up perfectly.
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There was the POV of the killer but you never
saw the killer.
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All you knew was like wow, this person's upset.
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When the music comes in then you're seeing
what the killer sees as opposed to just
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a shot with the camera.
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Everybody loves the Harry Manfredini signature
Friday the 13th, Ki-Ki-Ki, Ma-Ma-Ma.
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He says it's ”ki, ki, ki, ma, ma, ma...
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Because it's "Kill" and ”Mom" but I always
hear "ch, ch, ch, ah, ah, ah".
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But maybe it's my hearing.
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I thought it was "ha, ha, ha, ha"
but it's really"kill, kill, kill, kill."
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Ch - Ch - Ch. Ha - ha - ha. That's how I do it anyway.
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So many gory, scary moments but the one that
really comes to mind is Kevin Bacon's kill.
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So sick.
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Oh, it's horrible.
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The brilliant Betsy Palmer.
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I mean she was in Mister Roberts.
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She was a very good actress.
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How in the world does she become
the crazed killer?
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She smiles when she says it, meanwhile they've
cut to the little Jason drowning and I'm going like
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you're crazy.
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You know you're crazy and you don't care.
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That's one scary personality.
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Shooting Friday the 13th was a piece of cake.
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A bunch of us having a great time and you know
making this movie and it wasn't scary at all.
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But the first time I saw it, I actually
had some nightmares.
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The end scene I did not know was coming.
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Alice is in the canoe so relieved and Jason
the kid he jumps out of a lake and looking
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so weird and distorted.
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Thank you Tom Savini for scaring the hell
out of me.
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The fact that it became as successful as it
did was mostly luck.
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Being at the right place at the right time.
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It just all came together.
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It was a scary film ya know for what it was
at the time but I don't think anybody thought
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there was going to be uh,
I don't know what are we at?
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Like 12 of these things?
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The Shining is an incredibly powerful movie.
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The reviews when it came out were absolutely
terrible across the board.
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There may have been the occasional exception
but it was not a well-liked movie.
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However, it connected with a young audience
in such a powerful way that it became iconic.
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And I was so crashingly disappointed with
it because I loved the book and it's not the book.
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It was something about Kubrick's take on that
that was just so arch.
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Sometimes it takes you a few watches before
you gain appreciation for something.
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But it has that Kubrick quality of hypnotic
fascination that you can't get away from and
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if I happen to click on it,
I'm gonna watch it.
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I think The Shining is probably the best
performance in any horror film, maybe ever.
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Boy, does he go off the rails in that one.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
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Terrifying.
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Shelley Duvall looks honestly terrified and
Jack Nicholson honestly looks like
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he can't stand her.
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I mean to the point where I'm thinking, "Am I
seeing the characters or am I seeing the actors
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on set like freaking out?"
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And that's just how good they were.
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That's always the hardest part to play is
the wife who has to like make the decision,
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is my husband nuts or is it just me?
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And I think every woman on the face of the
planet wants to give their husband the benefit
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of the doubt until the very last minute when
it's like ah, I got to get out of here.
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The two twins.
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I mean I'll never forget that image.
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And the woman in the bathtub.
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That's something that was seared into my brain
forever and ever and ever.
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The scene that always sticks out to me is
when he's at the bar.
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He's talking and then we cut and there's actually
a bartender there.
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Every line every like beat in that whole scene
he just chews it up.
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It's just you can't take your eyes off him.
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I think any movie where a parent is a villain
is really hard to watch.
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It really hooks into for me this feeling of
trusting the men around you and how it would
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feel to all of a sudden be scared of the person
that you love.
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It's so scary.
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The big ending is out there in the maze.
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Now you look at that movie, what's missing
in that sequence? It's supposed to be out in the
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freezing cold but they shot it on a soundstage.
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They didn't get any oxidation of breath.
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Kubrick is such a stickler for detail and
everything's got to be just right and how
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much money does it cost doesn't matter. Let's
get it right and yet no oxidation of breath.
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The Shining was promoted as a Stanley Kubrick
movie, not a Stephen King movie.
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There was a long period of time when the name
Stephen King was avoided by marketers because
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it identified the movie as a horror film and
a horror film was still considered disposable trash.
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Stephen King himself said he hated it.
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King had actually written a script for Kubrick
for The Shining which Kubrick just tossed aside.
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I think it was painful to King to see this
because it was such a personal book to him.
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When Kubrick turned his hand to The Shining,
I think it sort of was like well, you know
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now anybody could make these pictures.
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It became a very viable genre for all budget
levels which was not true before.
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Dressed to Kill was pretty obviously even
though I think DePalma denies this.
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I think DePalma says he had never seen an
Argento movie and that may in fact well be
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the case sometimes these things just sort
of seep into the consciousness.
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But it did seem like he was bringing certain
aesthetic concepts of the Giallo into American
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horror films.
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You know how he used the star filters first as like
reflections would show up and they'd go
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"ping" and just like this sort of gliding
cinematography and everything felt sort of
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dreamlike.
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It has a sexual feel to it even more than
most horror films.
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I was really interested in the contrast between
the depiction of violence and an incongruously
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beautiful presentation.
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Fade to Black starring Dennis Christopher
it's a reaction to the burgeoning slasher genre.
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So, it's about a horror nerd who dresses
as different classic monsters to kind of enact
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these sort of revenge murders.
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People that have wronged him
throughout his life.
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It's finale takes place on top of Grauman's
Chinese Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard.
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It's a very weird time capsule portrait of
people living on the fringes of Los Angeles
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in 1980.
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And it's a nice illustration of the horror
fan as outcast which is a pretty big shadow
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hanging over the '80s, I think.
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In one corner people are going to say Motel
Hell is complete garbage.
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Violent, gruesome, sickening and perverse.
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In the other corner people are going to defend
Motel Hell saying it's a comedy that achieves
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a kind of demented satirical genius in the
way it criticizes such other sleazoid trash
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as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Genius in how they got the title because it
was Motel Hello and the neon was burnt out.
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It blew my mind, I thought it was so awesome.
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Then you get into a movie that you're like
wow, this is creepy and scary.
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You know, to be buried up to the neck and
you're just like that got me.
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Two great villains.
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One who wore a pig head and wielded a chainsaw.
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That was really great.
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This was one of the last pictures of cowboy
actor Rory Calhoun who was very skinny and
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I think probably had cancer at the time.
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That chainsaw fight at the end.
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The chainsaw is the worst weapon you could
ever use for any kind of fight.
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All you have to do is throw anything into
the web of a chainsaw and it stops.
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So, it's about the worst weapon you could
ever use.
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If you want to go to something that really
catches the spirit of the '80s don't look any further.
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Also, quite a great title.
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Oh, I love Maniac.
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The thing that makes Maniac a true stand apart
film is the quality of the performances.
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Top-notch casting, top-notch storytelling,
amazing editing.
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That movie moves like fucking lightning.
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When he slows the movie down, he does it for
a reason, to set you up for the next thing.
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It's a little strong for my tastes.
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It's a testament to its power.
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You have Tom Savini doing the makeup effects
who had come from Vietnam and knew all about
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what bodies rent asunder looked like.
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You've got scalpings in that movie that are
incredibly effective because they're so real.
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That's a very independent movie that could
not get on movie screens today.
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But there was a small but hungry audience
for that and that's the precursor to torture
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porn that you know, Hostel came along much
later and started a whole new sub-genre.
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The VHS era is hard to convey to someone who
grew up in the post Napster digital era when
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everything is available by some means.
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You suddenly had access to a world of cinema
beyond just your hazy memories of the Hammer
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films they played when you were a kid on Channel
11.
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It was the age of the video store and there
was one on every street corner.
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You could browse forever and watch things
that no normal person would ever normally
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watch and this was a goldmine for young indie
directors who had no budget but had a good
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imagination.
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Everybody went to the video store.
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That was the way you started your evening.
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Running down to the local rental store to
see ooh what can I get away with renting without
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my mom here.
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And we had the Beta versus VHS battles.
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It was like the Coke - Pepsi battle of the
video tech world at the time and obviously
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VHS won out and that's what the stores had.
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There was a certain magic to the VHS tape.
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I remember the first one we rented was A
Nightmare on Elm Street and Critters
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and something for my mom.
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And then you had the personal curation aspect.
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I could collect videos.
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Now I could have the equivalent of albums
but in film form.
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Suddenly I felt a kind of ownership of the
content in a way that I never had felt before.
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Nobody cares about owning movies anymore now.
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No one covets holding it.
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It's all just like in the cloud.
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Everything's through your digital device,
your phone, your iPad and there's definitely
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a certain coldness to the process.
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We were the first generation to really
discover all this stuff
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through cable which meant we
got it earlier which meant it was even more
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taboo than like the earlier generations that
had to kind of sneak into theaters and whatnot.
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Now all of a sudden it's being beamed into
my house.
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I'm by myself for three hours because my mom
works, ooh what's on Cinemax?
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What's on HBO?
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I had the benefits of cable and I had the
benefits of the rental system.
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You had to make some decisions about what
you wanted to watch that night.
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It would have everything from a Universal
Picture that you know, Tobe Hooper got tapped
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to make to stuff that was shot on video.
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Like the Ripper. Tom Savini starring in the Ripper.
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We rented that and
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I thought I was gonna get a real movie and
it was like shot on video.
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I couldn't believe I was watching,
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like I just paid the same $3 that I would have
paid for a studio release and it was Tom Savini
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running around in a shot on video thing.
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You suddenly had this great outpouring of
poorly written, poorly directed, poorly acted
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films but then you would have the occasional gem.
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Guys like Charlie Band, guys like Roger Corman
found a whole new life on home video after
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the VHS explosion happened.
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Charlie Band really invented direct-to-video.
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Charlie was churning them out.
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Empire Pictures and Charlie Band at the time
provided opportunity to up-and-coming talent
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to make their mark.
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They're chasing trends that the bigger guys
are doing and trying to get there more quickly
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and more cheaply.
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Charles Band provided this sort of unending
flow of product and some of it had real worth.
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They're cheesy.
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A lot of blood and gore bad effects and bad
acting and ridiculous storylines.
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They were right up my alley and I loved them.
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A lot of fans have said to me that saw Hellraiser
for the first time because they were browsing
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through the shelves of Blockbuster and they
paused when they got to the image of Pinhead.
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He's making very direct eye contact with you.
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What the image says is, look what I did to
myself.
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Now imagine what I could do to you.
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Video cover art didn't seem that important
initially and until some of these key horror
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films started appearing.
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And on the base of their success then suddenly
those covers became quite important.
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Obviously the brighter and the more shocking
it could possibly be than the better and
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more chance of that video being picked up.
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They had to have that art there to get you
to grab an unknown title as opposed to something
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you might be familiar with from its theatrical
release.
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Back then you really had to go looking for
stuff.
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You had to be willing to take chances and
if it had a really cool poster on the front
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or cover art I was hooked.
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It's the staff pics that usually would pick
something that would be like, you want to rent this.
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Don't rent that.
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You'll always be able to rent that. You want this.
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Those people knew.
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They knew what the good films were because
they had access to them.
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One of my sort of Bibles of '80s horror was
the poster for Terror in the Aisles because
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the skull on the front of Terror in the
Aisles was made up of all the titles of the
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names of the movies in it.
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So, I would go pick up Terror in the Aisles
in the video store and I'd start to go through
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and I'd walk through and I try to find different
movies.
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But it really opened me up to a lot of movies
I would have never rented otherwise.
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I worked for the company that did the Halloween
posters, that fabulous iconic knife going through
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the pumpkin of the jack-0'-lantern.
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That kind of said it all without saying anything.
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I thought that was a brilliant, brilliant
ad campaign.
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The Nightmare on Elm Street poster features
Nancy's face and she's lying in bed.
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It's a great poster.
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I mean it's art.
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It's not a photo, like a lot of movie posters
are nowadays.
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You just have like a photo of the stars and
they're like in a cute position
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and that photo art is now kind of dominant but
back then they really commissioned someone
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to create a painting.
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Matthew Peak was able to do all of the posters
for A Nightmare on Elm Street which is rare.
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There's a continuity and they're really beautiful
and unique.
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That reflects to me the high level of artistry that
went into all parts of A Nightmare on Elm Street.
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Even though it was a really low budget movie.
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I have a memory of driving on Sunset Boulevard
and there was a high-rise building and the
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whole side of it was the painted poster of
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 like on a giant
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building. I remember being very impressed with
that.
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Kit Carson, it was his idea to make a Breakfast
Club parody.
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I thought that was brilliant. I think that also
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let people know that we were not as serious as they
maybe wanted Chainsaw 2 to be.
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The original poster art that Tobe wanted to
go with was not going to be The Breakfast Club.
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He ended up going with The Breakfast Club
to sort of trick a lot of exhibitors into
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putting it up in their displays because it
looks very innocuous.
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It doesn't look like a horror movie really.
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It looks like a Halloween movie. It looks
like a costume movie.
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You have to remember that advertising very
seldom actually represents the movie correctly.
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Had I seen the artwork for Chopping Mall,
I also would not have rented it.
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It has nothing to do with the movie.
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The gimmick with The Howling was that we wanted
to position it as a normal slasher-ish kind
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of movie and not give away the fact that it
had supernatural elements and werewolves.
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Eventually, they came up with what I think
was a very clever poster of a clawed hand
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ripping the poster and behind it is
a woman screaming.
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And in Europe for whatever reason they decided
they didn't want to use the woman, they wanted
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to use a snout for the werewolf.
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So, in the British ads, it's the same ad but
instead of a woman's face, it's a snout.
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You wanted to try to differentiate your product
from movies that were aimed at a somewhat
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lower market and the idea was to try to vault
over the expectations and be able to appeal
450
00:31:58,833 --> 00:31:59,708
to a wider audience.
451
00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:03,003
You try to get them in, through whatever means
you can.
452
00:32:03,295 --> 00:32:06,715
However you have to misrepresent
the movie and then by the time they've seen it
453
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:07,925
it's too late.
454
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,510
They can't get their money back.
455
00:32:24,984 --> 00:32:27,486
Well, back in the '80s the slasher films
not withstanding,
456
00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,072
they weren't really ruled by trends so much.
457
00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:32,825
I mean there are a lot of people doing all
different kinds of horror.
458
00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:37,371
You had a lot of directors who had kind of
started off in low budgets in the 70s getting
459
00:32:37,746 --> 00:32:42,543
discovered by semi majors like AVCO Embassy and
being given a chance to do bigger films.
460
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,839
You had John Carpenter going from Halloween
to The Fog, Escape from New York and The Thing.
461
00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:49,467
You had Joe Dante going from Piranha to The
Howling.
462
00:32:49,967 --> 00:32:53,220
You had David Cronenberg who went from Rabid
and The Brood up to Scanners and then
463
00:32:53,637 --> 00:32:54,680
The Dead Zone.
464
00:32:55,055 --> 00:32:58,017
So, you really saw a lot of kind of star directors
coming up.
465
00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:04,106
Scanners was one that I saw probably too young.
466
00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:09,278
My friend and I rented it because of course,
the cover art alone.
467
00:33:09,987 --> 00:33:11,363
Michael lronside like this on the cover.
468
00:33:12,072 --> 00:33:13,532
I thought we need to see this movie.
469
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,035
Well, I didn't know what I was getting into.
470
00:33:22,458 --> 00:33:26,086
You can't talk about '80s horror and not mention
the Scanners head blowing up.
471
00:33:26,754 --> 00:33:32,760
When that happens, it is so gruesome and visceral
that even as a kid I was like this is the
472
00:33:33,135 --> 00:33:35,888
coolest thing I've ever seen.
Obviously, this is before CGI.
473
00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:39,058
And all of a sudden homeboy with the glasses just...
474
00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:45,523
As a kid I just went...
475
00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:48,234
What the...
476
00:33:48,984 --> 00:33:50,528
Cronenberg, dude.
477
00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:54,823
And just stuff is flying everywhere and I
know they took a shotgun and they used, they
478
00:33:55,115 --> 00:33:58,369
filled it up with bunch of l think chicken
livers or something and just shot it out.
479
00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:01,121
But oh, my goodness, did that look so real.
480
00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:10,381
That explosion is probably the shot across
the bow of the old guard.
481
00:34:11,131 --> 00:34:14,552
Just basically saying, ”Okay, we'll take
it from here."
482
00:34:16,011 --> 00:34:20,140
So much of those performances in Scanners
work because the actor's face has to sell it.
483
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,059
So, you have Michael lronside.
484
00:34:22,518 --> 00:34:27,189
He's got to basically take all of these themes
from the movie and project it through his face.
485
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,150
It all hinges on whether or not we believe
him, right?
486
00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:32,278
And he's so great at it.
487
00:34:47,209 --> 00:34:50,838
My Bloody Valentine might be my favorite slasher
of 1981.
488
00:34:51,338 --> 00:34:56,844
It's just this culmination of characters whodunit
and at the time especially it's unique.
489
00:34:57,428 --> 00:35:00,431
It's just the minors and Valentine's Day.
490
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,190
The interesting thing about My Bloody Valentine
491
00:35:10,649 --> 00:35:15,279
is that it was really graphic with awesome
practical effects but they cut 9 minutes of them
492
00:35:15,654 --> 00:35:16,572
out of the film.
493
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,577
My favorite kill is definitely one that was
cut for the theatrical release.
494
00:35:22,077 --> 00:35:26,206
It was this character named Happy, this old
drunk guy at a bar who went out to visit the
495
00:35:26,498 --> 00:35:28,292
mine to inspect what was going on.
496
00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:32,963
He gets a pickaxe swung up through his chin
and just the effect is so gnarly and it's
497
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:35,132
one of those kills where I watched it and I'm like,
498
00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,134
"How did they even fake this?"
499
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,059
One of the things I love about this movie
is how authentic it feels and part of that
500
00:35:45,351 --> 00:35:47,644
is because they shot in an actual mine
underground.
501
00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:51,231
Apparently the mine owners when they found
out that the movie was going to film down there
502
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:55,778
spent a lot of time cleaning it up which
is the opposite of what the film crew wanted
503
00:35:56,153 --> 00:36:00,491
so they had to re-dirty this actual mine to
get the look that they want for this movie.
504
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:05,287
Of course, it's cheesy.
505
00:36:05,662 --> 00:36:06,622
It's a slasher.
506
00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:12,378
All the tropes are there but there's something
about that one that just grabs me.
507
00:36:12,836 --> 00:36:15,798
I mean, My Bloody Valentine's got a lot of heart
what can I say.
508
00:36:27,434 --> 00:36:29,853
The early '80s had a shape-shifter trend.
509
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,857
Everybody's making transformation monster
movies -The Howling, The Beast Within.
510
00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:34,983
All this other stuff.
511
00:36:35,317 --> 00:36:38,946
In The Howling we were trying to get away
from the traditional villagers chasing the
512
00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:40,781
werewolf template.
513
00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:44,243
We wanted to actually position it as a slasher
movie because they were very popular at the
514
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,870
time and supernatural movies were kind of
not.
515
00:36:47,454 --> 00:36:49,581
They were kind of considered a little old hat.
516
00:36:49,915 --> 00:36:53,752
So, in the first half hour of the picture there don't
seem to be any supernatural elements at all.
517
00:36:54,169 --> 00:36:58,090
And so when we finally did introduce
the werewolf angle I did it through watching
518
00:36:58,382 --> 00:37:02,261
The Wolf man on television which is a pop culture
reference that audiences can immediately get.
519
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,729
That was really kind of the first time that
had been done and then it eventually became
520
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:16,024
very popular with the Scream movies to have
characters who were aware of the tropes of
521
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,277
the genre. It became a sort of a genre staple.
522
00:37:18,694 --> 00:37:20,863
Joe Dante loves to put his friends in his films.
523
00:37:21,488 --> 00:37:25,242
So you can find his mentor Roger Corman,
Famous Monsters icon Forrest J. Ackerman,
524
00:37:25,784 --> 00:37:30,748
Howling screenwriter John Sayles, good pal
Mick Garris and his lucky charm Dick Miller.
525
00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:37,254
I remember seeing the Howling and just thinking,
"Oh, finally" like somebody has created
526
00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:42,593
a werewolf and done an on-screen transformation
that is just absolutely mind-blowingly great.
527
00:37:44,011 --> 00:37:47,681
We had told the studio that we can do a
transformation all in one take. Which we learned for
528
00:37:48,015 --> 00:37:50,893
various reasons was impractical and also it wasn't
particularly dramatic.
529
00:37:51,268 --> 00:37:53,604
We ended up shooting it conventionally with
cutaways and stuff.
530
00:37:55,981 --> 00:38:02,070
The character of Eddie Quist, we finally
see his full Rob Bottin assisted transformation.
531
00:38:02,696 --> 00:38:05,365
Holy shit, look what is happening to this guy.
532
00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:10,120
There's always going to be the great debate
between The Howling and An American Werewolf
533
00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:14,333
in London and as amazing as the effects in
American Werewolf in London are, I think at
534
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:18,378
that scene, I mean it's all very brightly lit
with a lot of close-ups and
535
00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:22,132
to me it's kind of a special-effects reel
and not really a dramatic scene.
536
00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:27,346
And in The Howling, you have this great shadowy
lighting in that scene, you have Robert Picardo's
537
00:38:27,846 --> 00:38:32,643
character who is not a victim, he wants to
transform, he wants to show Dee Wallace's
538
00:38:32,976 --> 00:38:36,313
character what he really is and I think that
gives it a lot of power.
539
00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,401
What we didn't want to do was what had been
done before but that iteration of a guy
540
00:38:41,693 --> 00:38:44,488
who has a werewolf head and the werewolf hands
and a tucked in shirt
541
00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:47,324
didn't seem to be modern to us.
542
00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:51,662
I was always eager to do something new and
different and we tried it man and then it
543
00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:53,413
ended up photographing like a bear.
544
00:38:53,705 --> 00:38:58,252
So, we ended up using a combination of puppets
and separate legs and indeed a guy in a suit
545
00:38:58,544 --> 00:39:00,754
but you had to shoot it in such a way that you
didn't see his waist.
546
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,006
We managed to pull off a pretty good illusion.
547
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:15,310
I love The Burning.
548
00:39:15,769 --> 00:39:19,606
I didn't know about it for years and then
when I found out about it, I was like where
549
00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:21,108
is this been all my life?
550
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:24,361
It's a slasher film at a camp like I need
to see this film.
551
00:39:24,945 --> 00:39:28,448
Well, first of all it's got Jason Alexander
and Holly Hunter in it which is just mind-blowing
552
00:39:28,824 --> 00:39:30,450
considering the careers they've had since then.
553
00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:37,666
The writing, the way the kids interacted and
of course
554
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,334
Tom Savini's effects.
555
00:39:39,751 --> 00:39:42,838
I mean that whole scene when they're
coming up on that raft and he just comes up
556
00:39:43,213 --> 00:39:46,133
in front of the sun and it just plunges down in
the guy's neck.
557
00:39:48,427 --> 00:39:50,012
It's one of my favorite slashers.
558
00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:11,867
I love John Landis movies. In general, I just love
them.
559
00:40:12,326 --> 00:40:17,372
But there's a particular movie like Animal House
and An American Werewolf in London
560
00:40:17,664 --> 00:40:23,545
where he was so skilled at recreating a real
environment and a real snapshot in time.
561
00:40:24,254 --> 00:40:25,839
It was totally engrossing to me.
562
00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:29,968
A perfect comedy-horror hybrid because it
starts off light-hearted.
563
00:40:30,802 --> 00:40:32,554
There's sheep shit on my pack.
564
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:37,517
It's a couple pals they're walking around and the
next thing you know the one friend is eviscerated
565
00:40:37,976 --> 00:40:41,897
by a werewolf and the other one is slowly
transforming into a werewolf.
566
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:52,866
Jack is a zombie corpse that keeps reappearing
in front of David and it's continually becoming
567
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,535
more and more decrepit every time it shows up.
568
00:40:55,952 --> 00:40:57,454
It's a hilarious performance.
569
00:40:59,706 --> 00:41:02,000
The makeup is just absolutely gross.
570
00:41:03,585 --> 00:41:07,881
I remember seeing his trachea and feeling like I was
looking at an anatomy book.
571
00:41:09,091 --> 00:41:12,344
Jenny Agutter plays a nurse who takes in David
Naughton and their love story really gives
572
00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:17,057
an added layer of heart and soul to the film.
Not to mention some added scares.
573
00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:21,937
It's got certainly horrific moments in it.
574
00:41:22,479 --> 00:41:25,148
The end where he's just in the streets of
London running around.
575
00:41:25,607 --> 00:41:26,650
I mean that's scary.
576
00:41:27,025 --> 00:41:28,443
And that was done so well.
577
00:41:28,735 --> 00:41:33,490
And of course, Rick Baker's werewolf transformation...you
can't talk about the movie without talking about that
578
00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:34,700
of course.
579
00:41:37,327 --> 00:41:40,956
Rick Baker was originally going to do Joe
Dante's werewolf work in The Howling but
580
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:44,501
John Landis kept him to a promise and scooped
him up at the last minute.
581
00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:48,839
If you're going to go see a werewolf movie
in the '80s, you're going to see a werewolf
582
00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:51,508
become a werewolf out of a man.
583
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,266
I actually got queasy at the scene of his
foot extending into a paw.
584
00:41:59,766 --> 00:42:03,603
It was all fleshy and was stretching and there
was. .. nothing like that had been done before.
585
00:42:04,771 --> 00:42:07,441
It was startling to me to see that transformation.
586
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:13,071
In my mind it will always be a level that really
changed the look and the appeal of '80s movies.
587
00:42:14,322 --> 00:42:17,909
It's a classic and they both came
out the same year along with Full Moon High
588
00:42:18,326 --> 00:42:19,202
and Wolf en.
589
00:42:19,828 --> 00:42:22,289
I mean it was it was a lupine year.
590
00:42:36,178 --> 00:42:38,472
I thought I was making the only werewolf film.
591
00:42:38,847 --> 00:42:44,311
Except for I Was a Teenage Werewolf which had
been done 2O years before in black and white
592
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:48,023
and AIP owned it so they weren't going to sue me.
593
00:42:48,648 --> 00:42:50,734
I told them I wanted to make a comedy version of it.
594
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,656
I don't think it was what they really wanted.
595
00:42:57,115 --> 00:43:00,619
I guess if you're going to make horror movies
you got to make scary horror movies.
596
00:43:01,244 --> 00:43:02,829
Funny horror movies... I don't know.
597
00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:07,083
Is the horror audience going to
like this? ls anybody going to like this?
598
00:43:07,584 --> 00:43:08,960
I liked it. I had a good time.
599
00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:12,714
I got to work with Adam Arkin and his father
Alan Arkin.
600
00:43:13,006 --> 00:43:14,049
Wonderful actor.
601
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,806
I told him to make the werewolf look like
Henry Hull did in Werewolf of London.
602
00:43:21,431 --> 00:43:23,058
And that's what they did. It was simple.
603
00:43:23,850 --> 00:43:27,979
We had a wonderful cast of comedians and I
had a good time making the picture.
604
00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:29,981
I can say it now.
605
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,744
Evil Dead scared the crap out of us.
606
00:43:43,036 --> 00:43:46,039
Sitting down to watch it, it really unnerved us.
607
00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:53,130
In the Evil Dead a very young Bruce Campbell
has his first starring role.
608
00:43:57,050 --> 00:44:00,762
Campbell and Raimi were high school pals who
made short films together before going all
609
00:44:01,137 --> 00:44:05,684
in on the 30-minute super 8 film Within the
Woods which is kind of like the first version
610
00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,353
of Evil Dead and it was designed to attract
investors.
611
00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:16,278
The effects, the practical effects, just
the nastiness and just her in the basement
612
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:20,699
it's like. .. with the trapdoor going up and down
and screaming and the way they tracked the
613
00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:23,910
camera through the house. It was just so unnerving.
614
00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:30,292
I love the claymation stuff that they did
with the melting bodies in there.
615
00:44:34,337 --> 00:44:38,383
Seeing Ellen Sandweiss get like essentially raped
by tree branches.
616
00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:46,808
That's a fairly clear analogy of that idea
of nature itself being a malevolent force.
617
00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:52,856
The sincerity of it is impossible to fake
because this was just a bunch of kids going
618
00:44:53,273 --> 00:44:56,610
out to a cabin in Tennessee and filming what
they could with no budget.
619
00:44:59,070 --> 00:45:03,033
They were doing things that you didn't think
were possible on such a low budget.
620
00:45:03,366 --> 00:45:04,451
I mean they were so creative.
621
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:08,496
The most interesting thing about Evil Dead
is it came out after the invention of the
622
00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:12,500
Steadicam but they couldn't afford a Steadicam
and so all those shots running through the
623
00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:17,213
woods they just strapped a camera to a couple
of two by fours and had guys on either end
624
00:45:17,547 --> 00:45:19,674
of the two by fours running through the woods
with the camera.
625
00:45:19,966 --> 00:45:20,884
And it works!
626
00:45:21,301 --> 00:45:24,721
The shakey cam is actually scarier than the
Steadicam.
627
00:45:25,847 --> 00:45:31,061
This cinema verité effect and the grittiness
to it, makes it feel almost like a documentary.
628
00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:36,024
The Evil Dead is a perfect example of cult
film creative genius born out of low-budget
629
00:45:36,399 --> 00:45:37,067
necessity.
630
00:45:52,415 --> 00:45:56,628
Halloween was conceived by not just John
Carpenter but by Debra Hill.
631
00:45:57,128 --> 00:46:03,343
And you had a very strong woman and her voice in the
development of the characters and I think that has a lot
632
00:46:03,843 --> 00:46:09,266
to do with why you like Jamie beyond her own
inherent skills which she is obviously very talented.
633
00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:16,815
After Halloween was a success, partners that
I had in the movie wanted to make a sequel.
634
00:46:17,565 --> 00:46:19,359
I just didn't think there was any story left.
635
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:21,778
I couldn't stop them from making it.
636
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:25,824
So, I figured well, might as well go along
with them. I wrote the screenplay.
637
00:46:26,574 --> 00:46:29,661
It wasn't very good. I didn't do a great job.
638
00:46:30,161 --> 00:46:35,834
And now you're repeating gags and you’re just
repeating what's happened in one.
639
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,961
This worked once, not this time.
640
00:46:38,378 --> 00:46:40,880
I wasn't scared in Halloween 2. I was just
grossed out.
641
00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:45,969
You know, it's ironic that the original Halloween
inspired so many countless dozens of imitations
642
00:46:46,594 --> 00:46:49,556
and for two years we got nothing but movies
in which their only ambition was to litter
643
00:46:50,056 --> 00:46:51,224
the screen with dead teenagers.
644
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,352
Now we get Halloween 2 and it's a pale imitation
of the imitations.
645
00:46:54,811 --> 00:46:56,104
It's not worthy of the original film.
646
00:46:56,604 --> 00:47:01,818
Not until the very last sequel recently, did
we have actually a new story to tell.
647
00:47:02,193 --> 00:47:05,780
So, I was disappointed in it and disappointed at
what I did.
648
00:47:08,575 --> 00:47:10,118
I didn't want to direct Halloween 2.
649
00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:15,665
Rick Rosenthal is now directing instead of
John Carpenter and Dick Warlock replacing
650
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:17,584
Nick Castle wearing the Shatner mask.
651
00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:20,712
Nick Castle was not asked to return as The Shape.
652
00:47:22,422 --> 00:47:23,715
One of the big flaws.
653
00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:28,386
I think by that time I had already directed
so yeah, I don't know, they had no even reason
654
00:47:28,845 --> 00:47:30,972
to think I'd want to be the shape again so,
655
00:47:31,264 --> 00:47:33,349
and nor would I have probably done it
at that point.
656
00:47:33,975 --> 00:47:37,479
Debra came to me and said, "Nick, do you have
the mask from the first one?"
657
00:47:37,854 --> 00:47:42,067
Because for whatever reason we've tried to
redo it again and we can't get it right.
658
00:47:42,817 --> 00:47:44,027
So, I said, "Oh yeah, I got it here."
659
00:47:44,402 --> 00:47:45,403
It's in my living room.
660
00:47:45,862 --> 00:47:51,826
She took it and never gave it back unfortunately
but I'm sure it would be powder by now anyhow.
661
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,078
So, what the hell?
662
00:47:53,578 --> 00:47:57,582
Jamie Lee Curtis was a real sport in this
film since she essentially had to go it alone
663
00:47:58,124 --> 00:48:01,920
without the support structure she had in
her breakout hit in 1978.
664
00:48:03,004 --> 00:48:07,509
Plus, since she cut her hair for another movie
she had to wear a wig that once you notice it,
665
00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:09,094
you can't unsee it.
666
00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:14,140
Contained mostly in the Haddonfield Hospital,
the film follows the standard slasher formula
667
00:48:14,641 --> 00:48:18,978
much closer than the groundbreaking original
with more creative kills and much more gratuitous
668
00:48:19,312 --> 00:48:19,938
nudity.
669
00:48:22,315 --> 00:48:26,653
I think the most memorable kill from Halloween
2 is probably the nurse who gets her head
670
00:48:27,028 --> 00:48:28,655
dunked in the boiling hot, hot tub.
671
00:48:29,114 --> 00:48:33,118
But for me my personal favorite is actually
the other nurse who gets the scalpel in the back
672
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:35,078
and just raised off the ground.
673
00:48:37,497 --> 00:48:41,126
My buddy from The Last Starfighter, Lance
Guest plays a prominent role in there.
674
00:48:41,501 --> 00:48:45,880
I didn't realize until I saw it again how
big a role he had and he survived, I think.
675
00:48:50,009 --> 00:48:52,887
I guess Michael Myers had to take a break
to recuperate after getting torched at
676
00:48:53,179 --> 00:48:54,139
the end of Halloween 2.
677
00:48:57,350 --> 00:49:01,062
But he'd come back after the collective what
the fuck of Halloween 3.
678
00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:15,994
Ghost Story is based on the Peter Straub novel
and it stars Hollywood legends Fred Astaire,
679
00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:21,374
Melvyn Douglas, John Houseman and Douglas
Fairbanks Jr. as the chowder society.
680
00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:25,628
Basically, a bunch of old dudes sharing horror
stories.
681
00:49:33,344 --> 00:49:37,056
Of course, John Houseman similarly tells ghost
stories by a campfire at the beginning of
682
00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:38,892
John Carpenter's, The Fog.
683
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,230
Maybe that's why I grew up loving stories.
That movie is like such a great marriage
684
00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:46,483
of old-time stories.
685
00:49:47,192 --> 00:49:49,152
It brought that into the '80s.
686
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:51,362
At a time that we weren't really seeing that.
687
00:49:59,204 --> 00:50:03,541
The transition of Alice Krige throughout that
movie is absolutely horrifying where she starts
688
00:50:03,958 --> 00:50:10,882
off as this beautiful woman sort of fluttery
and flirty and full of life and very much
689
00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:14,010
sort of just a carelessness to her carriage.
690
00:50:14,844 --> 00:50:20,016
And by the end once things are revealed with
her functionality in this film, it's such
691
00:50:20,433 --> 00:50:22,018
an interesting descent.
692
00:50:25,063 --> 00:50:27,357
Ghosts in movies are so hard to pull off.
693
00:50:27,774 --> 00:50:31,861
And I don't think anybody had pushed this
idea of ghosts the way that Dick Smith had
694
00:50:32,237 --> 00:50:33,488
pushed them in Ghost Story.
695
00:50:33,863 --> 00:50:37,700
Dick Smith who is a guy who's best known for
his work on The Exorcist or even The Godfather.
696
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,872
At this point in the '80s, like he was stepping back
a little bit while this new talent was coming
697
00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:47,126
forward but yet still was out there making
memorable creations and though obviously,
698
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:51,631
we see that in Ghost Story. It was something
completely different than we had seen before.
699
00:50:56,928 --> 00:50:58,763
Yeah, I love that movie a lot.
700
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:09,566
One of the really great things about 1980s
horror movies was that everything happened
701
00:51:09,899 --> 00:51:11,067
in front of the camera.
702
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,653
There was no such thing as CGI yet.
703
00:51:14,237 --> 00:51:19,951
An actor was interacting with either an actor
covered in latex or puppets or things that
704
00:51:20,243 --> 00:51:22,453
were really in the frame with them.
705
00:51:25,081 --> 00:51:30,712
There was an artistry of the special makeup effects
geniuses of the time, the Rick Baker's and
706
00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:36,426
Tom Savini's and Steve Johnson's and all
of these people who really launched their
707
00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:38,344
careers during that time.
708
00:51:38,803 --> 00:51:44,892
You get your first Oscar for makeup and it
was An American Werewolf in London in 1981.
709
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,897
First of all, I'd like to thank the Academy
for creating this new category and I'm very
710
00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:51,816
proud to be the first winner.
711
00:51:53,943 --> 00:51:59,282
When I think of 1980s horror, that's to me
one of the best things about it.
712
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,871
Once they saw what you could do it was like
all bets were off and everybody wanted to
713
00:52:05,246 --> 00:52:07,165
go out and make horror movies which is exciting.
714
00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:22,180
Filmmakers realized that the tools that they
had at their disposal allowed them to create
715
00:52:22,847 --> 00:52:25,683
bigger and bigger worlds, bigger and bigger
moments.
716
00:52:34,108 --> 00:52:39,364
It's just such a vibrant, alive, new time because
we had materials and we had techniques and
717
00:52:39,739 --> 00:52:43,951
we had all of these movies that were being
made that gave us an opportunity to push the
718
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:45,119
envelope.
719
00:52:45,745 --> 00:52:50,041
I love the magic of the movies and the magic
of theater.
720
00:52:51,584 --> 00:52:55,171
How we take a situation and make it look how
we want it to look.
721
00:52:55,713 --> 00:52:57,548
To make you believe what I want you to believe.
722
00:52:57,882 --> 00:53:00,760
What sticks in your mind the most is how did
they do that?
723
00:53:01,427 --> 00:53:08,351
You become interested in the illusion and
the magic that's happening behind the scenes
724
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:13,022
and that gets you interested in film making.
725
00:53:15,108 --> 00:53:18,820
And the reason that Torn Savini, the reason
that Stan Winston, the reason that Rick Baker
726
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,409
and Rob Bottin were the visionaries
that they were and still are, was because they
727
00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:28,663
approached all of these effects as if they
were magic tricks.
728
00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:30,790
And a lot of it is misdirection.
729
00:53:31,874 --> 00:53:35,712
In-camera effects are always much more, more
impactful.
730
00:53:36,045 --> 00:53:38,423
However, they're very expensive to do.
731
00:53:38,965 --> 00:53:41,217
They're very, very time-consuming.
732
00:53:51,644 --> 00:53:55,356
If you do them right, practical effects are
much more powerful.
733
00:53:56,691 --> 00:53:58,234
How do you build a better werewolf?
734
00:53:58,693 --> 00:54:01,696
How do you build a better decapitation?
735
00:54:02,363 --> 00:54:05,366
I mean these are things that still obsess
me.
736
00:54:06,868 --> 00:54:09,704
30-some years later this is still my work.
737
00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:17,170
There's an almost sort of childlike aspect
to what we do that I feel very grateful for.
738
00:54:17,628 --> 00:54:23,301
This is impressive art; This is impressive
stuff and it drives and propels the story
739
00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:27,263
and those visceral reactions that you have
to horror.
740
00:54:27,597 --> 00:54:31,768
I'm always trying to sort of push things beyond
the realm of good taste in it and sometimes
741
00:54:32,185 --> 00:54:33,603
even beyond the realm of possibility.
742
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:35,313
You want to do the impossible things.
743
00:54:35,688 --> 00:54:37,690
You shouldn't be limited to what's possible.
744
00:54:38,024 --> 00:54:42,195
You should be able to make the audience believe
something that's impossible is happening
745
00:54:42,487 --> 00:54:43,780
right in front of them.
746
00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:45,323
Everything was on the table.
747
00:54:45,823 --> 00:54:47,283
You could really do whatever you want.
748
00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:51,287
The only thing that you would have to contend
with was the ratings board.
749
00:54:51,662 --> 00:54:56,000
It was always a fight because the directors
felt they had creative freedom to tell the
750
00:54:56,417 --> 00:54:58,044
story and do whatever they wanted to do.
751
00:54:58,461 --> 00:55:02,340
And of course, there were people that found
some of the subject matter and some of what
752
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:04,675
we did offensive.
753
00:55:05,426 --> 00:55:10,223
For a certain amount of blood, you get an X
and an X means the distributor can't release
754
00:55:10,556 --> 00:55:13,059
in almost all the theaters that wants you.
755
00:55:13,434 --> 00:55:16,437
You've got a very small release which means
it's a very small profit.
756
00:55:17,396 --> 00:55:18,815
So, you have to be mindful of that.
757
00:55:19,232 --> 00:55:22,360
I've helped several films get X ratings because
of the violence and the blood.
758
00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:27,365
Often they'll resubmit it, they'll cut out
a few frames here and a few there.
759
00:55:27,657 --> 00:55:29,492
Finally, you might get an R - rating.
760
00:55:29,784 --> 00:55:34,580
It was often that this fear of getting an
X - rating so they would go with blood that
761
00:55:34,997 --> 00:55:39,085
wasn't red right from the beginning like
in Phantasm or Evil Dead 2.
762
00:55:39,752 --> 00:55:44,090
There's such a focus on blood and gore particularly
in movies in the '80s and to be honest with you
763
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,008
I never quite got it.
764
00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:51,055
Once filmmakers got into that whole blood
thing and the bloodletting and it became bigger
765
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:53,474
and bigger and like who can outdo the
other person?
766
00:55:53,933 --> 00:55:59,438
And yeah, that's fun but to me it wasn't quite
as realistic as what happens in real life.
767
00:55:59,897 --> 00:56:03,860
The effects artists creating stuff usually
knows best how to shoot it.
768
00:56:04,902 --> 00:56:09,824
Some things are going to be shot from a certain
angle, they work best not from this angle.
769
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:15,496
And a good director is going to trust their
effects people but if you shoot it from something
770
00:56:15,788 --> 00:56:18,875
a little bit different it's going to reveal
itself to be the magic trick and you don't
771
00:56:19,292 --> 00:56:21,878
want to ever show the rabbit in the hat.
772
00:56:26,883 --> 00:56:31,596
There was so much work that everybody was
keeping busy and it never felt like competition.
773
00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:33,681
It felt more like a coexistence.
774
00:56:34,098 --> 00:56:37,476
We all had the same backgrounds, we all grew
up reading Famous Monsters of Filmland,
775
00:56:37,768 --> 00:56:41,439
we all grew up making movies with our Super 8
cameras.
776
00:56:41,731 --> 00:56:46,527
There was a sort of a shared heritage in
what got us to where we were at that point.
777
00:56:47,069 --> 00:56:53,284
In the early '80s, Fangoria magazine came out
and now we had a group of people that were
778
00:56:53,576 --> 00:56:57,538
celebrating the actual special effects makeup
of those movies.
779
00:56:58,164 --> 00:57:01,292
Before it was like yeah, you're a guy, you
do special effects, that's cool.
780
00:57:01,584 --> 00:57:05,630
But then Fangoria really made this like cool
personality around them because they really
781
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:09,842
focused on the work they were doing because
it was so innovative and so different and
782
00:57:10,217 --> 00:57:11,510
also so graphic.
783
00:57:11,802 --> 00:57:14,889
They printed the pictures that no one else
would print.
784
00:57:15,348 --> 00:57:17,266
It wasn't the fangs that the kids wanted it
was the gore.
785
00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:22,313
And they had pictures of bloody corpses and
people with slashed throats and tongues coming
786
00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,273
hanging out and stuff.
787
00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:28,319
I wouldn't exactly call it porn but it had
the same effect in a way because it was a
788
00:57:28,694 --> 00:57:32,406
high for kids because it would seem so forbidden
and it was so transgressive.
789
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:36,619
Fangoria was the authority on what's about
to come out and what do you need to see.
790
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,874
Without an internet, without an endless resource
of images at your fingertips you would stare
791
00:57:42,249 --> 00:57:44,460
at that fucking Fangoria until the pages fell apart.
792
00:57:45,169 --> 00:57:49,507
Fangoria had a lot of trouble in the early
days getting taken off of news stands and things
793
00:57:49,882 --> 00:57:53,302
like that because the imagery was too shocking
or bloody or whatever.
794
00:57:53,803 --> 00:57:56,847
Fangoria, Cinefantastique, Cinefex
795
00:57:57,848 --> 00:57:59,350
and American Cinematographer.
796
00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:02,436
Yeah, those were my little Bibles every
month.
797
00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:08,567
It was a wonderful way to see how other
effects were being done, what films are being
798
00:58:08,859 --> 00:58:09,485
done.
799
00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:11,404
A great teaching tool.
800
00:58:11,904 --> 00:58:15,825
Everybody in special effects and special
makeup effects was reading all those magazines.
801
00:58:16,242 --> 00:58:20,246
It actually generated more interest because
somebody would watch that movie, or they'd see
802
00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:23,332
some behind the scenes story and they say,
”Wait, what?
803
00:58:23,749 --> 00:58:25,501
You did what with yak hair?"
804
00:58:25,876 --> 00:58:29,046
And they'd go see the movie and they'd suddenly
realize, "Wow, that's cool.
805
00:58:29,422 --> 00:58:33,592
I understand how it all comes together and
look and I'm seeing it now and I'm believing it
806
00:58:33,884 --> 00:58:35,511
and it's a monster and I'm buying it...
807
00:58:35,803 --> 00:58:39,306
I think a lot of the special effects in the
'80s movies have aged well.
808
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,477
You're doing it live really, essentially in front of the
camera, ya know they're practical effects.
809
00:58:43,769 --> 00:58:49,442
There's something about CG that I think makes
it seem distant and not really, it's not really
810
00:58:49,734 --> 00:58:51,027
happening in front of you.
811
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:56,407
Actors would prefer to work with something
they can see and react to rather than a green
812
00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:58,075
ball on a stick.
813
00:58:58,743 --> 00:59:07,084
I would be hard-pressed to pick the all-time
great '80s practical effect but chances are
814
00:59:07,543 --> 00:59:08,794
Rick Baker did it.
815
00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:30,483
Cat People is an unusual moment in '80s horror
because it's this attempt at legitimacy.
816
00:59:30,816 --> 00:59:35,362
You've got all the horror guys doing their stuff
but then you've got Paul Schrader who had
817
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:38,532
written Taxi Driver and American Gigolo and
Mishima.
818
00:59:38,824 --> 00:59:43,079
And he's more or less a respectable filmmaker
and here he is getting in on the shapeshifter
819
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:44,955
trend that was started by An American Werewolf
in London.
820
00:59:45,289 --> 00:59:46,415
So, that's very interesting to me.
821
00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:50,002
He cast it with Nastassja Kinski and Malcolm
McDowell.
822
00:59:50,795 --> 00:59:51,754
It's like raising the game a little bit.
823
00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:58,969
That movie brought a sort of euro sensibility
into American horror that I found really,
824
00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:00,721
really interesting.
825
01:00:01,013 --> 01:00:06,018
Cat People takes the sort of barest lift from
the original's premise and makes it more about
826
01:00:06,393 --> 01:00:10,106
these siblings who have this sort of borderline
incestuous relationship.
827
01:00:15,694 --> 01:00:19,115
The transformation is actually almost like
watching a work of art.
828
01:00:19,865 --> 01:00:21,659
It's very different in its purpose.
829
01:00:22,576 --> 01:00:25,371
They'd seen what had happened in The Howling
and in An American Werewolf and so they're
830
01:00:25,788 --> 01:00:27,248
taking it into this other space.
831
01:00:27,665 --> 01:00:30,042
And what I like about the Cat People transformations
is that they're both kind of different.
832
01:00:30,709 --> 01:00:34,046
Malcolm McDowell likes being the cat and so
it's kind of a different thing but in Nastassja
833
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:37,800
Kinski's transformation is painful and she's
not into this.
834
01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:41,637
Tom Berman and his crew thought about that
and sort of worked the characters feelings
835
01:00:42,054 --> 01:00:44,765
into the transformation and made it a very
painful and uncomfortable thing.
836
01:00:45,057 --> 01:00:48,144
And it was just an interesting pivot from
where we had been just a year before
837
01:00:48,602 --> 01:00:50,938
with Baker's stuff and Bottin's transformations.
838
01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:07,913
Basket Case is an amazing super low budget
movie.
839
01:01:08,664 --> 01:01:12,334
I Love New York at that period as well and
that's one of the last movies that captured
840
01:01:12,751 --> 01:01:14,086
Time Square as it was.
841
01:01:14,587 --> 01:01:20,843
That really grimy place that you would not
go to unless you're looking for drugs.
842
01:01:21,635 --> 01:01:26,557
There's a lot of weird, seedy New York stuff
that you don't get to see any more on screen.
843
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:31,770
When Belial throws his tantrum in the hotel
room and suddenly we're in stop motion and
844
01:01:32,271 --> 01:01:36,108
we're smashing TVs and stuff. That's when like
we kind of all went...
845
01:01:36,901 --> 01:01:38,819
That's when you learned that you're in this
unsafe space.
846
01:01:39,195 --> 01:01:42,823
They're like oh, this guy is not playing by
anybody's rules and he needed stop motion
847
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,199
for this scene and he's going to do it.
848
01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:46,827
That's where Basket Case crosses over into
greatness for me.
849
01:01:47,912 --> 01:01:53,459
Frank Henenlotter, the director of Basket
Case once said to me, "I'm a strange little man."
850
01:01:53,918 --> 01:01:54,710
And he is.
851
01:01:55,211 --> 01:02:00,758
There are things that he would put in a movie
that most people would recoil from.
852
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:09,099
And in fact, there are scenes in Basket Case
that are so sexual and violent and gross that
853
01:02:09,516 --> 01:02:13,062
the crew of the film actually walked off and
left the film.
854
01:02:13,687 --> 01:02:19,777
There's one shot at the end of Basket Case
where Belial the monster is actually on top
855
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:24,865
of the female lead. She's completely naked
and he's obviously doing something that you
856
01:02:25,491 --> 01:02:29,370
don't want to think about a little scrawny
monster doing to a beautiful woman.
857
01:02:29,995 --> 01:02:32,581
But I think the shot has to be in the movie.
858
01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:35,584
By that time, you have to see that.
859
01:02:36,252 --> 01:02:39,463
Thank God that Henenlotter got to make those
movies when he got to make them, where he got
860
01:02:39,838 --> 01:02:44,343
to make them, because they were maybe the last
gasp of that grindhouse thing.
861
01:02:56,021 --> 01:03:01,151
There's a certain kind of horror film that
says big studio production, big studio budget.
862
01:03:01,735 --> 01:03:07,324
That means it's safe for people in the suburbs
to go see it and Poltergeist was one of those
863
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:08,200
movies.
864
01:03:08,701 --> 01:03:12,955
No matter how scary it gets, it was okay to
take the family to see that particular movie.
865
01:03:15,291 --> 01:03:18,919
Another movie that kind of just highlighted
that horror could be just as much fun as
866
01:03:19,378 --> 01:03:22,298
any kind of other rollercoaster tentpole movie
you were seeing at the time
867
01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:23,966
like Indiana Jones or something.
868
01:03:24,633 --> 01:03:26,927
What is this little girl in the front of the
TV with nothing on it?
869
01:03:27,219 --> 01:03:31,056
Because when we used to actually snap our
channels and you hit the snowy UHF channel
870
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,852
or the Channel 4 or whatever didn't come in
your region, you're like get off of that.
871
01:03:35,311 --> 01:03:37,354
This girl is sitting in front of it intrigued
by it.
872
01:03:40,691 --> 01:03:41,859
What is this about?
873
01:03:42,818 --> 01:03:49,116
Anything that dealt with kind of suburbia
dealing with like aliens or the old ghosts'
874
01:03:49,533 --> 01:03:51,452
spirits, I don't know those really appeal
to me.
875
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:55,914
I just felt like all of us live in some form
of suburbia now and who knows what Indian
876
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:59,835
graveyards we're all like living on top of.
877
01:04:00,127 --> 01:04:06,383
Poltergeist takes an old staple of the horror
movie which is the seance, the communication
878
01:04:06,842 --> 01:04:10,429
with the other side and amps it up about a
hundred times.
879
01:04:11,096 --> 01:04:13,349
That's the genius of that movie, I think.
880
01:04:16,226 --> 01:04:17,519
Let me set the record straight.
881
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:20,356
Tobe Hooper directed Poltergeist.
882
01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:25,819
There was a horrible scurrilous myth that
it was ghost directed by Steven Spielberg
883
01:04:26,153 --> 01:04:30,366
because it was executive produced by Steven
Spielberg because it has that Spielberg glow
884
01:04:30,699 --> 01:04:31,158
about it.
885
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:36,246
But every Robert Zemeckis film was executive
produced by Steven Spielberg and had that
886
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:37,998
Spielberg glow about it.
887
01:04:39,249 --> 01:04:42,669
Tobe was a really good friend and I miss him
every day.
888
01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,798
I got to watch him work on Poltergeist.
889
01:04:46,173 --> 01:04:47,633
I was on the set.
890
01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:51,011
His mark on the movie is indelible.
891
01:04:51,303 --> 01:04:53,472
Steven Spielberg is a very powerful producer.
892
01:04:54,139 --> 01:04:58,018
He hired Tobe because he loved Texas Chainsaw
Massacre.
893
01:04:59,061 --> 01:05:04,316
When the storm is happening and all of the
coffins are coming up and spilling out all
894
01:05:04,983 --> 01:05:09,947
the corpses and the like, it's very surreal and very
Tobe.
895
01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:14,660
That I think is probably the most Tobe Hooper
scene in the movie.
896
01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:20,332
And yet it's a collaboration of two incredibly
powerful and unique filmmaking minds who come
897
01:05:20,707 --> 01:05:23,460
to the same destination from opposite directions.
898
01:05:37,391 --> 01:05:41,520
I never wanted to remake The Thing From Another
World.
899
01:05:42,062 --> 01:05:44,064
That was one of my favorite movies.
900
01:05:44,523 --> 01:05:46,358
I was a big fan of Howard Hawks.
901
01:05:46,817 --> 01:05:53,949
I just never wanted to touch it and
along it came and it would be my first studio film.
902
01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:55,325
I couldn't say no.
903
01:05:55,909 --> 01:05:58,078
I thought well, what am I gonna do that's different?
904
01:05:59,246 --> 01:06:04,960
And then decided well, one of the things is I can
go against the cliché and actually bring
905
01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:08,088
the monster out into the light and show it.
906
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:12,759
I can do the imitation part of this story
which was not done in the first movie.
907
01:06:15,095 --> 01:06:17,139
Childs was like your strong silent type.
908
01:06:17,598 --> 01:06:19,475
He didn't have a whole lot of words.
909
01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:28,984
To have Roger Mosley to thank because I believe
he was the first consideration for the Thing
910
01:06:29,651 --> 01:06:34,656
and then he got Magnum, P.l. and that changed
his world and mine.
911
01:06:42,831 --> 01:06:48,045
Rob Bottin's work in The Thing was amazing
but it came at a huge cost to us.
912
01:06:50,422 --> 01:06:57,429
Rob Bottin did an extraordinary job creating
the Thing that was morphing into this and
913
01:06:57,804 --> 01:06:58,931
morphing into that.
914
01:07:00,182 --> 01:07:02,309
It could look like anything that they wanted.
915
01:07:02,684 --> 01:07:07,064
So, when they started designing the effect
sequences, they thought about it in terms
916
01:07:07,481 --> 01:07:09,399
of this thing's been to a thousand different
planets.
917
01:07:10,067 --> 01:07:15,489
The DNA contains stuff that looks like tentacles
and crab legs and spider legs.
918
01:07:15,989 --> 01:07:20,661
That was just miles beyond its time and just
throwing all the rules out.
919
01:07:21,245 --> 01:07:29,336
The most fun was Norris's head hitting the
floor and out come these little legs and eyeballs.
920
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,758
The best part of that scene isn't even the
spider.
921
01:07:35,259 --> 01:07:39,554
It's everyone's fucking reaction as they just
go...
922
01:07:41,306 --> 01:07:43,976
They all turn and they're just like, "Are you seeing
this shit?"
923
01:07:47,896 --> 01:07:53,777
And then they light it up but it's that moment
of like a real human reaction that sells that
924
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:55,070
whole scene.
925
01:07:57,698 --> 01:08:00,909
The first time I saw the movie I went whoa...
926
01:08:01,243 --> 01:08:06,248
The special effects and them being so out
front and explicit were the reasons that I
927
01:08:06,582 --> 01:08:08,083
got criticized for The Thing.
928
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,585
The barf bag movie of July.
929
01:08:09,918 --> 01:08:10,877
I have some problems with it.
930
01:08:11,336 --> 01:08:16,091
The story is totally implausible and the movie
just basically is an excuse for this very
931
01:08:16,383 --> 01:08:18,885
gruesome and repellent creature to gross us
out.
932
01:08:19,219 --> 01:08:21,888
It is the most nauseating thing I've ever
seen on a movie screen.
933
01:08:22,347 --> 01:08:26,393
They wanted me to be more like the original
or classier.
934
01:08:27,102 --> 01:08:29,271
The blood test scene is my favorite scene
in the movie.
935
01:08:29,563 --> 01:08:31,898
It's just a great suspense scene.
936
01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:36,111
The strength of one person or one group's paranoia
can spread.
937
01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:39,489
It makes everybody look at everyone else
differently.
938
01:08:39,865 --> 01:08:41,575
In fact, even the way you look at yourself.
939
01:08:48,332 --> 01:08:50,208
It was a great Donald Moffat moment.
940
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:56,131
The first time that we heard, "Gentlemen, I know
you've been through quite an ordeal.
941
01:08:56,506 --> 01:09:03,597
But when you find the time, I'd rather not spend
the rest of this winter tied to this fucking couch!"
942
01:09:04,931 --> 01:09:10,187
We cracked up but we were also like Oh, like
freaked out.
943
01:09:11,021 --> 01:09:12,564
That's my favorite moment in the movie.
944
01:09:26,411 --> 01:09:29,247
I thought I don't think there's any more story
in the Halloween movies.
945
01:09:29,956 --> 01:09:32,501
Why don't we veer off and do something
brand-new?
946
01:09:33,126 --> 01:09:34,294
And that's what we did.
947
01:09:34,711 --> 01:09:36,296
It shows you how wrong I can be.
948
01:09:36,755 --> 01:09:41,927
There were a whole lot of people who
were deeply disappointed to put it kindly
949
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:44,680
that Michael Myers was not in it.
950
01:09:45,389 --> 01:09:46,890
Everybody wanted more of the same.
951
01:09:47,265 --> 01:09:48,266
And what do you get?
952
01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:52,729
You get this kind of like company that's creating
Halloween masks that melt children's heads off
953
01:09:53,271 --> 01:09:56,483
and turn them into like worms, snakes
and spiders.
954
01:09:56,858 --> 01:09:59,027
I mean it is incredibly dark, man.
955
01:09:59,778 --> 01:10:04,991
It's that whole plot to take over the world
through a holiday that everyone loves.
956
01:10:05,951 --> 01:10:10,747
Torn Atkins in Halloween 3 is very interesting
to me because he's like a '70s anti-hero in
957
01:10:11,373 --> 01:10:14,960
an '80s post-Spielberg plot which is an interesting
juxtaposition.
958
01:10:22,801 --> 01:10:34,312
We find this den of iniquity and evil in the far north
reaches of California with (Zonal Cochran.
959
01:10:35,313 --> 01:10:40,318
When we were driving through that town, we
felt like we were being watched.
960
01:10:40,861 --> 01:10:45,323
It was really spooky creepy kind of town.
961
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:54,166
Garn Stephens, my first wife is in that movie
and she is Marge who's face is eaten in the
962
01:10:54,458 --> 01:11:00,046
motel room while she's sitting there reading
and Stacy and I were in the next bedroom and
963
01:11:00,464 --> 01:11:02,340
she was in this bedroom.
964
01:11:02,632 --> 01:11:05,469
I always thought that was kind of awkwardy.
965
01:11:12,601 --> 01:11:16,480
Three more days till Halloween, Halloween,
Halloween.
966
01:11:17,063 --> 01:11:20,400
Three more days till Halloween Silver Shamrock.
967
01:11:22,611 --> 01:11:26,782
Boy, did we hate it by the time
we were finished shooting it.
968
01:11:35,373 --> 01:11:43,089
After Halloween 3 came out that sunk any idea of
doing Halloween as anthology stories.
969
01:11:43,507 --> 01:11:44,382
That was the end of it.
970
01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:48,136
But Halloween 3 was not a very big hit with
people.
971
01:11:48,595 --> 01:11:52,182
They wanted to see the guy with a mask and
the knife. So...
972
01:11:52,557 --> 01:11:56,394
We'd already been conditioned to think
that Halloween equals Michael Myers.
973
01:11:56,686 --> 01:12:02,400
If Halloween 3 was Halloween 2 it would have
been a hit and we would have a whole different
974
01:12:02,776 --> 01:12:03,693
Halloween franchise today.
975
01:12:04,069 --> 01:12:05,362
It should have never been called Halloween 3.
976
01:12:05,779 --> 01:12:08,240
It should have just been called Season of
the Witch and it might have done better.
977
01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:16,414
If John was able to mount a yearly or every
other year Halloween anthology, let's just
978
01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:21,419
call it John Carpenter's Halloween. The expectation
was that John was going to give you yet another
979
01:12:21,711 --> 01:12:23,964
iconic character.
That could have worked out just fine.
980
01:12:24,422 --> 01:12:25,715
It just didn't work out that way.
981
01:12:26,424 --> 01:12:31,346
Well, Tommy Lee Wallace I thought he did a
wonderful job directing and putting together
982
01:12:31,846 --> 01:12:32,973
Halloween 3.
983
01:12:33,431 --> 01:12:35,100
Nobody sets out to make a bad movie.
984
01:12:35,934 --> 01:12:42,607
People have very much rallied to it and embrace
it, it's a good standalone movie by itself.
985
01:12:43,483 --> 01:12:47,445
It doesn't need Michael Myers and never did,
and if they're disappointed tough.
986
01:12:58,665 --> 01:13:01,042
Q is perfection to me.
987
01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:05,797
I love seeing Q the winged serpent flying
over New York in all his stop-motion glory.
988
01:13:06,464 --> 01:13:11,177
There's just some great Larry Cohen-isms where
there's like somebody on the rooftop doing
989
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:15,515
push-ups and there's a guy just going okay,
he's counting them off and then Q comes in
990
01:13:15,807 --> 01:13:17,559
and steals one of them. It's so good.
991
01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:20,061
It's such a weird campy movie. I love it.
992
01:13:20,437 --> 01:13:22,898
We went to New York, I had one day's prep.
993
01:13:23,648 --> 01:13:27,986
We got the helicopter the next day, we shot
all the helicopter stuff and when I brought
994
01:13:28,361 --> 01:13:33,116
the picture to the special effects people,
they said to me oh, you did this all wrong,
995
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:35,535
you're supposed to come to us first.
996
01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:40,415
And we outline it and we draw everything for
you storyboards and tell you where to put
997
01:13:40,832 --> 01:13:46,004
the monster and where to put the actors and
everything is all planned in advance and you've
998
01:13:46,421 --> 01:13:50,800
come in and shot the whole picture, all the
footage and now you expect us to put the monster
999
01:13:51,176 --> 01:13:53,136
into it? And I say yes.
1000
01:13:53,887 --> 01:13:57,557
He shot with Dave Allen doing his stop-motion...
So poor David.
1001
01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:01,227
He had all these helicopter backgrounds bouncing
like this.
1002
01:14:01,561 --> 01:14:04,564
And he's got to try to figure out it how to put his
monster in it. But it works out great.
1003
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:12,447
These guys who do these effects they're meticulous
guys but they have a very narrow focus
1004
01:14:12,822 --> 01:14:14,616
and not much of a sense of humor.
1005
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:31,383
Creepshow is the reaction of the sort of the
Spielbergification of horror from two guys
1006
01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:33,843
in the cheap seats in Bangor, Maine and Pittsburgh.
1007
01:14:34,678 --> 01:14:38,014
So Stephen King and Romero get together and
they're going to make their funhouse horror movie.
1008
01:14:38,431 --> 01:14:42,060
It's unlike anything Romero had ever done
and it's unlike anything King had ever done
1009
01:14:42,394 --> 01:14:44,562
and I think that informs the energy of that movie.
1010
01:14:44,854 --> 01:14:47,565
It's five short stories, there's not a dud
in the bunch.
1011
01:14:47,857 --> 01:14:50,777
They are all moral fables.
Every single one of them.
1012
01:14:51,236 --> 01:14:53,697
The one with Leslie Nielsen deals with greed.
1013
01:14:54,155 --> 01:14:59,077
He wants to get revenge on the man who's
seducing his wife and stealing her away from him.
1014
01:14:59,703 --> 01:15:04,833
E.G. Marshall who wants to remain closeted
in his little insular cocoon.
1015
01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:10,547
Viveca Lindfors whose father treated her badly
but she still shows up for Father's Day and
1016
01:15:11,089 --> 01:15:12,924
she still goes to his grave.
1017
01:15:15,385 --> 01:15:18,013
Nathan crawling out of his grave is amazing.
1018
01:15:18,555 --> 01:15:21,558
The musical sting when the hand comes out.
1019
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,436
It's magic.
1020
01:15:24,894 --> 01:15:28,148
Beyond the fact that has great effects in
"I want my cake."
1021
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,612
You can't not talk about that segment and
not talk about Ed Harris's dancing.
1022
01:15:34,904 --> 01:15:36,322
It's the greatest thing ever.
1023
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,164
I think that's one of the fun things about
'80s horror is you see a lot of actors who
1024
01:15:44,622 --> 01:15:49,002
now have gone onto do like prestige movies,
these big things but they're all in these
1025
01:15:49,335 --> 01:15:54,132
like weird quirky little roles in '80s horror
and you're like "Wow, that's kind of cool".
1026
01:15:54,549 --> 01:15:58,470
And just getting to watch like somebody like
Adrienne Barbeau who I knew from The Fog
1027
01:15:58,803 --> 01:16:02,891
playing like this crazy, ditzy, drunk lady yelling at
her husband all the time.
1028
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:12,484
She was nervous about playing such a bitchy
character.
1029
01:16:13,026 --> 01:16:16,362
Then you get to watch her get eaten by this
beast in the crate.
1030
01:16:20,825 --> 01:16:23,036
It's a movie that offers a lot for everybody.
1031
01:16:24,537 --> 01:16:29,375
I love Fluffy, I love the creature in the
box, I love Bedelia and her birthday cake.
1032
01:16:31,169 --> 01:16:35,131
And I loved seeing Ted Danson buried in sand
and all of that.
1033
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:39,636
But the most memorable part of that is Stephen
King covered in meteor shit.
1034
01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:41,679
Yeah, meteor shit.
1035
01:16:45,975 --> 01:16:49,646
George Romero said is there anything in there
you would love to do?
1036
01:16:50,313 --> 01:16:52,148
I said yeah, I would love to play Jordy.
1037
01:16:52,690 --> 01:16:55,652
He said well, Stephen King's going to play
that role.
1038
01:16:56,194 --> 01:17:02,200
Would you do me a big favor and play the dad
in the wrap around, the beginning and the end?
1039
01:17:04,035 --> 01:17:12,252
Stephen King's son Joe King, he played my
son and I threw that comic book into the garbage
1040
01:17:12,752 --> 01:17:21,636
can out front and then he voodoos me to death
at the end over my cornflakes but I had to
1041
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:28,852
smack him early on and Stephen was never out
of the room.
1042
01:17:29,727 --> 01:17:31,771
Tom, you're not going to hurt him, are you Tom?
1043
01:17:32,230 --> 01:17:34,399
You're not going to really hit him, are you
Tom?
1044
01:17:35,024 --> 01:17:38,236
He is my boy, you're not going to, he's only
9 years old Tom.
1045
01:17:38,736 --> 01:17:43,658
And I said Stephen come on, I'm a professional
actor.
1046
01:17:45,034 --> 01:17:48,538
How do you wrangle the hundreds of cockroaches?
1047
01:17:48,872 --> 01:17:54,252
Some exotic cockroaches were allowed to escape
into the wilds of Pennsylvania.
1048
01:17:55,670 --> 01:17:56,796
Don't tell anybody.
1049
01:18:00,425 --> 01:18:03,887
It's such a pivotal movie that didn't get
them the credit they deserve I don't think.
1050
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:07,724
Because in the years following that Twilight
Zone: The Movie comes out the next year and
1051
01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:11,769
then Tales from the Crypt comes out as
a series but I think it all stems from Creepshow.
1052
01:18:17,233 --> 01:18:21,654
With the success of John Carpenter's Halloween,
we did see a lot of films sort of come out
1053
01:18:21,946 --> 01:18:28,536
in response to that idea of well, if we have
this holiday and we can turn it into this moment
1054
01:18:28,828 --> 01:18:31,748
in the genre why not capitalize on that?
1055
01:18:40,506 --> 01:18:45,803
And we did see the onslaught of My Bloody
Valentine, April Fool's Day, Leprechaun basically
1056
01:18:46,137 --> 01:18:47,889
cashing in on St. Patrick's Day.
1057
01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:52,644
We saw a ton of Christmas horror come out especially
in the '80s with Silent Night, Deadly Night.
1058
01:19:00,234 --> 01:19:05,740
The recurring theme with having a holiday become
a horrific experience.
1059
01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:11,079
It's an obvious grab whether it's Carrie or
Night of the Creeps, these are prom night movies
1060
01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:14,916
but they go horribly different than
what you're expecting because it's supposed
1061
01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:18,920
to be your coming-of-age and celebration and
like prom night movies are transitioned into
1062
01:19:19,295 --> 01:19:20,463
adulthood almost.
1063
01:19:28,012 --> 01:19:33,393
Valentine's is supposed to be all about your
significant other and that smashing together
1064
01:19:33,851 --> 01:19:40,108
of that juxtaposition of what's supposed to
be good and light-hearted and celebratory
1065
01:19:40,733 --> 01:19:44,779
into holy crap, this is bloody and evil and
people are dying.
1066
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:51,286
That idealism and that adolescence that comes
to a screeching halt when it slams into something
1067
01:19:51,619 --> 01:19:52,203
horrific.
1068
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:56,958
There's a universality to these moments in
the year and I think that's a good way to
1069
01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,836
sort of bring the genre into that fold.
1070
01:20:13,099 --> 01:20:20,648
The relationship of body to mind is a potent
one in Cronenberg's world and I think particularly
1071
01:20:21,065 --> 01:20:23,192
in the '80s he attacked it with quite a bit
of relish.
1072
01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:30,992
Cronenberg had a history of really getting
at the psychic horror around physical afflictions.
1073
01:20:33,703 --> 01:20:36,331
Videodrome was a step further.
1074
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,587
Sort of saying we are entering a period of
humanity of human existence, cultural existence
1075
01:20:43,046 --> 01:20:46,799
that is going to fuse technology and the body
in organic ways.
1076
01:20:53,639 --> 01:20:59,687
One of the most potent sequences to me is
when James Wood's character sticks his hand
1077
01:21:00,021 --> 01:21:04,067
in the vagina-like slit in his stomach that
has developed.
1078
01:21:05,026 --> 01:21:07,987
His hand becomes a flesh gun.
1079
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:16,913
You have a very Gigeresque image of machinery
and flesh and metal becoming one and shooting
1080
01:21:17,288 --> 01:21:22,877
out cancer bullets basically that cause a
decay of the flesh of the victim which you
1081
01:21:23,294 --> 01:21:25,296
shoot with these bullets.
1082
01:21:25,671 --> 01:21:32,011
And it's unbelievably imaginative and potent
and allegorical and repellant all at the same
1083
01:21:32,512 --> 01:21:35,056
time but devilishly entertaining.
1084
01:21:35,723 --> 01:21:39,227
It's all about videocassettes and you look
at it now and you just think gosh, it is so
1085
01:21:39,602 --> 01:21:43,898
like arcane but it's really genius because
it really was predicting in many ways where
1086
01:21:44,357 --> 01:21:48,236
culture was going and how much more involved
the average consumer was going to become
1087
01:21:48,569 --> 01:21:50,363
pre-sort of where things went in the
information age.
1088
01:21:50,947 --> 01:21:54,992
And Oblivion is this kind of cross between
a cult leader, a political figure and a complete
1089
01:21:55,368 --> 01:21:56,953
low-grade huckster.
1090
01:21:57,453 --> 01:22:02,500
It's predictive of the darkest side of the
Reagan era of like where those types of people
1091
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,837
would lead us as a culture.
1092
01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:12,051
The movie really encapsulates the beginning
of the transition of global culture from analog
1093
01:22:12,468 --> 01:22:18,724
into digital, from how the consumer took in
their media and what impact that had on you.
1094
01:22:23,604 --> 01:22:25,940
No matter how often you see it, it will get
under your skin.
1095
01:22:40,121 --> 01:22:44,667
Well, horror films of the '80s even the ones
made on slightly higher budgets still had
1096
01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:46,919
that kind of down and dirty feel about them.
1097
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:51,424
They didn't feel like commercial movies even
if they were being made by the studios.
1098
01:22:52,008 --> 01:22:55,845
And you had a lot of directors like Tony Scott
for example doing The Hunger and bringing
1099
01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:59,682
a very different kind of European aesthetic
to a big-budget studio assignment.
1100
01:23:08,316 --> 01:23:11,986
The Hunger was such a sensual, sexy movie.
1101
01:23:12,278 --> 01:23:17,366
It was just melding this scary, creepy vibe
with you know vampires.
1102
01:23:18,117 --> 01:23:21,662
And it was all so kind of sexual and creepy
at the same time.
1103
01:23:29,462 --> 01:23:35,718
A lot of people dismiss The Hunger for being
nothing more than style.
1104
01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:42,141
I disagree because I think the movie is specifically
about style and about emptiness.
1105
01:23:43,476 --> 01:23:49,232
What's scary about it is the disposability
of relationships and how Catherine Deneuve
1106
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:55,112
as soon as her lover becomes too old, she
can't even bear to touch him or kiss him.
1107
01:23:55,404 --> 01:23:59,533
Just puts him in a box stows him in the attic
moves on to the next one.
1108
01:24:00,243 --> 01:24:07,542
That's extremely horrifying and a universal
horror that all of us have experienced if
1109
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:09,961
you live long enough.
1110
01:24:23,599 --> 01:24:27,186
You don't think of Psycho as a slasher movie
but that was what kicked it all off.
1111
01:24:27,478 --> 01:24:31,440
That's what inspired Halloween which inspired
everything afterwards.
1112
01:24:34,318 --> 01:24:36,487
Psycho was the beginning of my love of movies.
1113
01:24:36,988 --> 01:24:41,242
It was psychological, it was visual in ways
that you'd never seen before.
1114
01:24:44,078 --> 01:24:49,083
Before Norman Bates, Anthony Perkins, there
wasn't a serial murderer.
1115
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:52,169
There wasn't a killer that had psychological
dimension.
1116
01:24:52,670 --> 01:24:54,547
That's all Hitchcock and Joe Stefano.
1117
01:24:56,048 --> 01:25:02,054
It was inevitable that he would return in
the '80s because that was an era of cinematic
1118
01:25:02,471 --> 01:25:08,019
horror that celebrated the serial killer,
the slasher and he was the original, he was
1119
01:25:08,311 --> 01:25:09,604
the granddaddy of them all.
1120
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:17,028
Richard Franklin came to me, an Aussie director
who'd done Road Games and said let's do Psycho 2
1121
01:25:17,528 --> 01:25:20,239
and I said you are crazy.
1122
01:25:20,781 --> 01:25:24,201
This is prior to sequels being a way of life
in the movie business.
1123
01:25:24,493 --> 01:25:29,040
Nobody wanted to do it because you knew you
were going to get ripped apart by the critics.
1124
01:25:29,623 --> 01:25:35,212
In Psycho 2 Norman Bates was afforded a great
deal of humanity and sympathy.
1125
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:37,298
He's been released from prison.
1126
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:44,263
He served his time, gone through his therapy
and he sincerely kind of apologetic for having
1127
01:25:44,764 --> 01:25:47,683
snapped and killed all of those women and
his mother.
1128
01:25:48,184 --> 01:25:54,523
And he's just trying to make a go of it, trying
sincerely to be the best version of himself
1129
01:25:55,149 --> 01:25:57,610
but society won't let him be.
1130
01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:08,037
And so, they turn him into a monster again
so by the end of that movie he is sort of
1131
01:26:08,537 --> 01:26:11,374
returned back to square one.
1132
01:26:13,834 --> 01:26:19,256
Everybody's dying around him but he doesn't
kill anybody but we don't know that to the end.
1133
01:26:19,757 --> 01:26:24,261
He finally does kill somebody, this little
old lady who had missed that she's his mother
1134
01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:28,891
and she's been doing some of the killings
and he serves her poisoned tea.
1135
01:26:29,725 --> 01:26:35,898
And as she starts to gag and die in the poisoned
tea, he picks up a shovel and brings it smashing
1136
01:26:36,315 --> 01:26:37,692
down on the back of her head.
1137
01:26:40,486 --> 01:26:45,199
And it's the first time that he's killed
in the entire movie and you realize that
1138
01:26:45,491 --> 01:26:47,702
he's totally now totally insane.
1139
01:27:01,465 --> 01:27:07,054
I remember having to audition and screen test
for a movie off this giant book that intimidated
1140
01:27:07,388 --> 01:27:08,055
the crap out of me.
1141
01:27:08,347 --> 01:27:11,600
I was supposed to read before I auditioned
and was like this is a movie about a mom
1142
01:27:12,268 --> 01:27:14,061
and a kid are stuck in a car with this dog?
1143
01:27:14,478 --> 01:27:16,272
It's like oh, yeah, that's actually pretty
scary.
1144
01:27:17,481 --> 01:27:19,984
For 2/3 of the movie it's two people in a
car, right?
1145
01:27:20,317 --> 01:27:23,487
If you get out,you're dead and if you stay in like no
one's going to find you and you're dead.
1146
01:27:23,863 --> 01:27:25,990
And it's sort of like the original Escape Room.
1147
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:32,538
Anytime we put a young kid in a scary story
it really brings it home because you never
1148
01:27:32,913 --> 01:27:37,418
want harm to come to a child and I think that
resonates on a biological level with every
1149
01:27:37,835 --> 01:27:38,586
human being.
1150
01:27:40,379 --> 01:27:42,590
I was more terrified of Cujo than I was of
werewolves.
1151
01:27:43,132 --> 01:27:45,259
The terror felt real, the panic felt real.
1152
01:27:45,968 --> 01:27:50,765
You could feel the heat, the stifling stagnancy
of being inside that car with them and the
1153
01:27:51,265 --> 01:27:53,392
desperation of well, how do you get out of this?
1154
01:27:53,684 --> 01:27:57,229
And as an adult it's interesting because now
I watch it and I feel kind of bad now for
1155
01:27:57,521 --> 01:28:01,775
Cujo where as a kid I was like you know,
screw that dog and like now, I'm like oh,
1156
01:28:02,109 --> 01:28:04,153
but he got bit and I feel bad for him now.
1157
01:28:04,445 --> 01:28:07,406
So, it's interesting but as a kid Cujo was
terrifying.
1158
01:28:07,823 --> 01:28:13,037
And I think that's what makes Stephen King's
stuff so great is that he knew how to prey
1159
01:28:13,496 --> 01:28:16,373
on your fears and it wasn't always the same
fears.
1160
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:32,431
Sleepaway Camp is such a great little film
because you're not expecting a lot from it,
1161
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:36,060
you're thinking oh, it's another campground
killer film.
1162
01:28:37,186 --> 01:28:42,233
It's mostly like younger kids that are getting
killed and that's such a big no-no today.
1163
01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:47,112
It's really scary. It's really done well.
It's got some amazing effects for such a small
1164
01:28:47,446 --> 01:28:50,282
little film and it's just really entertaining.
1165
01:28:52,785 --> 01:28:54,453
Sleepaway Camp breaks all the rules.
1166
01:28:54,954 --> 01:28:59,124
It's an upside-down slasher and I think that's
part of its appeal.
1167
01:28:59,416 --> 01:29:00,918
All the males are sex objects.
1168
01:29:01,377 --> 01:29:06,382
Look at those camp counselors in those booty
shorts that cut off all the circulation in
1169
01:29:06,674 --> 01:29:08,425
their you know genitalia.
1170
01:29:09,134 --> 01:29:10,970
The females in the movie are all monsters.
1171
01:29:13,055 --> 01:29:17,017
And of course, it has that final shot that's
one of the most memorable moments in all of
1172
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,644
horror history.
1173
01:29:19,019 --> 01:29:21,981
I remember watching it with a bunch of friends
for the first time.
1174
01:29:22,481 --> 01:29:24,149
We knew nothing about it.
1175
01:29:24,441 --> 01:29:28,696
Before the internet was spoiling everything
and back then we had no idea.
1176
01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:32,241
We are like hey, this Sleepaway Camp a horror
movie in the woods and we're watching it
1177
01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:34,368
and enjoying it and then the end came.
1178
01:29:34,827 --> 01:29:37,413
Me and all my friends were just, ”What?"
1179
01:29:54,346 --> 01:30:00,352
Christine came along after The Thing and it
was a Stephen King novel haunted car movie.
1180
01:30:00,936 --> 01:30:02,396
It just seemed right to do.
1181
01:30:02,730 --> 01:30:04,690
Do we live on? Do we have a spirit?
1182
01:30:05,065 --> 01:30:08,068
Can it live on in a 1958 Plymouth Fury?
1183
01:30:08,611 --> 01:30:11,780
That was taken on by Carpenter and he made
it his own.
1184
01:30:12,364 --> 01:30:16,577
It's so lean, it's mean, it really gets to the
nitty-gritty of what you would want out of
1185
01:30:16,911 --> 01:30:18,537
a movie about a killer car.
1186
01:30:18,996 --> 01:30:23,000
And I think Keith Gordon actually gives one
of the best performances that we've ever seen
1187
01:30:23,375 --> 01:30:25,419
in a horror movie of the '80s.
1188
01:30:32,259 --> 01:30:38,599
There's a scene in Christine where the bullies
had just destroyed the car and the kid is
1189
01:30:39,141 --> 01:30:45,898
standing in front of the car and he says, "Show
me" and just the music kicks in and it's like...
1190
01:30:46,565 --> 01:30:47,566
Show me.
1191
01:30:50,694 --> 01:30:52,655
Christine put itself back together again.
1192
01:30:53,322 --> 01:30:59,953
We had to figure out how that worked and was
convincing so we pull the car in and shoot
1193
01:31:00,329 --> 01:31:01,497
it in reverse.
1194
01:31:01,872 --> 01:31:06,669
We've got hooks on the car and you just crush
it and then in reverse, it opens -
1195
01:31:07,711 --> 01:31:08,796
it becomes.
1196
01:31:09,338 --> 01:31:10,839
It worked out pretty well for us.
1197
01:31:13,133 --> 01:31:18,597
It's an amazing effect for something so simple
but it's done so well and matching that up
1198
01:31:19,098 --> 01:31:20,182
with his score.
1199
01:31:20,557 --> 01:31:21,642
It just works perfectly.
1200
01:31:21,934 --> 01:31:23,352
I'm getting like goosebumps thinking about it.
1201
01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:24,520
It's so good.
1202
01:31:29,942 --> 01:31:32,653
I never wanted to work in 3D.
1203
01:31:33,404 --> 01:31:36,198
It's just a gimmick deal, it always has been.
1204
01:31:36,657 --> 01:31:43,789
I was always intrigued about what 3D could
be and I'm still waiting for it.
1205
01:31:44,707 --> 01:31:48,836
The first 3D horror movie I saw was actually
one of the 1950's classics, Creature from
1206
01:31:49,169 --> 01:31:50,129
the Black Lagoon.
1207
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:52,381
The Gill Man had a huge impact on me as a kid.
1208
01:31:54,967 --> 01:31:57,761
3D lasted only a very short time in the 1950s.
1209
01:31:58,387 --> 01:32:01,974
There was this revival of 3D that began with
the movie Comin' At Ya!
1210
01:32:03,726 --> 01:32:08,564
That kind of kicked off this whole wave of
new 3D movies that were done in the 1980s.
1211
01:32:09,106 --> 01:32:12,151
Producers saw this as one more way to make
a little more money.
1212
01:32:12,609 --> 01:32:17,614
You had a number of franchises that happened
to be up to their third sequel.
1213
01:32:18,115 --> 01:32:22,453
So, it just seemed to make sense that hey,
we'll do version 3D.
1214
01:32:22,953 --> 01:32:26,790
I like where things come at you, popcorn
comes at you, harpoon comes at you,
1215
01:32:27,541 --> 01:32:28,834
and it was spectacular.
1216
01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:34,214
Really notable first off because this was
the first time that Jason Voorhees actually
1217
01:32:34,631 --> 01:32:36,091
put on the hockey mask.
1218
01:32:36,759 --> 01:32:39,678
Every few minutes something pokes you in the eye.
1219
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:46,769
There are so many 3D moments in this movie
they find reasons for characters to have yo-yos
1220
01:32:47,311 --> 01:32:52,065
and baseball bats and all kinds of fun stuff
that they can stick into the camera and then
1221
01:32:52,483 --> 01:32:54,860
there are some really great 3D deaths.
1222
01:33:00,574 --> 01:33:05,454
It messed with the storytelling because you
had to wait for the 3D gag so people go oh, look
1223
01:33:05,746 --> 01:33:06,705
there at the machete.
1224
01:33:06,997 --> 01:33:10,375
There's a character who gets speared on a
pitchfork.
1225
01:33:13,629 --> 01:33:18,634
Probably the greatest moment in the film is
when Jason squeezes a character's head so
1226
01:33:18,967 --> 01:33:22,179
hard that the guy's eye pops out right into
the camera.
1227
01:33:25,099 --> 01:33:29,645
The first horror 3D movie in the '80s wave
was Parasite.
1228
01:33:33,649 --> 01:33:38,779
It marked one of the first screen appearances
by a very young Demi Moore.
1229
01:33:39,404 --> 01:33:41,406
I have a pair of Parasite glasses here.
1230
01:33:42,032 --> 01:33:44,284
It was shown in polarized 3D.
1231
01:33:44,868 --> 01:33:47,788
Directed by Charlie Band released by Embassy
Pictures.
1232
01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:56,588
This is a promotional kit that they put out
for the movie, a pop-up promo that shows you
1233
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,131
the Parasite.
1234
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:11,478
Also released in 1982 was a picture called
Rottweiler also known as Dogs of Hell or Rottweiler
1235
01:34:11,770 --> 01:34:12,771
The Dogs of Hell.
1236
01:34:13,397 --> 01:34:19,570
Genetically modified dogs that have been trained
to be military weapons that end up in this
1237
01:34:20,195 --> 01:34:22,739
small North Carolina town where they go on
a killing spree.
1238
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,202
These are Rottweiler glasses.
1239
01:34:29,454 --> 01:34:35,669
3D can enhance a good movie but if you're
already starting with a dog the 3D isn't gonna
1240
01:34:36,128 --> 01:34:37,504
really do much for it.
1241
01:34:40,966 --> 01:34:45,345
Amityville 3-D came out in 1983 directed by Richard
Fleischer.
1242
01:34:45,762 --> 01:34:48,849
An early screen role for Meg Ryan.
1243
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:53,562
There's a pit in the basement that apparently
leads to hell.
1244
01:34:53,937 --> 01:34:56,481
There are some really good 3D moments in the
movie.
1245
01:34:57,190 --> 01:35:02,029
And the pipe comes right through the windshield
and ends up sticking right into your face.
1246
01:35:02,988 --> 01:35:07,868
There's a swarm of flies that's sort of composited in
and meant to look like it's coming off the screen.
1247
01:35:10,871 --> 01:35:17,002
The moment that everyone remembers, this demon
pops up through the hole in the basement floor and
1248
01:35:17,502 --> 01:35:18,962
grabs one of the characters.
1249
01:35:21,048 --> 01:35:26,845
The big three of the '80s 3D horror films were
the ones that were all the third sequels.
1250
01:35:27,137 --> 01:35:32,267
So, the studios found interesting ways to promote
these 3D movies and Jaws 3-D was no exception.
1251
01:35:32,976 --> 01:35:36,563
Another pop-up where the shark comes right
at you.
1252
01:35:36,855 --> 01:35:38,732
The third dimension is terror.
1253
01:35:39,066 --> 01:35:42,778
Which I think this would have been a better
movie if it wasn't called Jaws and they just
1254
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:46,865
called it like Sharks in 3D or a Shark Attack -
Coming at You.
1255
01:35:47,574 --> 01:35:53,247
Young Lea Thompson made one of her first screen
appearances as one of the water skiers
1256
01:35:53,622 --> 01:35:54,831
who gets attacked by the shark.
1257
01:35:55,707 --> 01:36:00,003
The plot takes place at this aquarium sort
of Sea World kind of place.
1258
01:36:00,587 --> 01:36:05,801
Probably the best 3D moment in the movie the
shark has already eaten Simon MacCorkindale
1259
01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:07,761
and he was holding a hand grenade.
1260
01:36:08,178 --> 01:36:12,808
The arm with the hand grenade is still in
the shark's mouth so they reach in and pull
1261
01:36:13,183 --> 01:36:19,856
the pin and the grenade goes off, blows up
the shark and all these shark bits come flying
1262
01:36:20,274 --> 01:36:23,360
right at the camera including the shark's
jaws.
1263
01:36:25,362 --> 01:36:32,619
Having a giant, bloody underwater explosion
in 3D that may be why I give that 3D movie a pass.
1264
01:36:32,911 --> 01:36:38,542
I don't think that the 3D really helped any
of these movies improve their box office.
1265
01:36:39,001 --> 01:36:42,421
For the most part the studios were using it
just as a gimmick.
1266
01:36:43,046 --> 01:36:48,927
I should note that in 1991 the sixth movie
in The Nightmare on Elm Street franchise
1267
01:36:49,219 --> 01:36:52,889
Freddy's Dead, the big climax of the movie was a 3D
sequence.
1268
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:58,937
It's kind of a shame that they waited until
the sixth movie to do it rather than having a
1269
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,649
A Nightmare on Elm Street 3D back when they
could have.
1270
01:37:21,251 --> 01:37:25,922
Children of the Corn has taken from the Nightshift
Stephen King short story and stars a pre-30
1271
01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:29,968
something Peter Horton and pre-Terminator
Linda Hamilton as they find themselves in
1272
01:37:30,344 --> 01:37:33,722
the wrong the Nebraska town at the wrong time
with the wrong kids.
1273
01:37:38,977 --> 01:37:43,648
If you're a kid who grew up in the '80s and
somebody says to you Malachi or Malachi you
1274
01:37:44,066 --> 01:37:45,609
knew exactly what they meant.
1275
01:37:46,443 --> 01:37:48,320
Malachi.
1276
01:37:53,033 --> 01:37:58,705
The idea that kids would band together to
kill an entire community of adults at the
1277
01:37:59,039 --> 01:38:01,917
behest of this other entity, that's horrific.
1278
01:38:02,417 --> 01:38:08,048
I never saw people my age as a threat and
that was a movie where I realized like oh,
1279
01:38:08,465 --> 01:38:10,675
people my age can do horrible things.
1280
01:38:16,932 --> 01:38:20,018
In the whole movie they're talking about he
who walks behind the rows and when you finally
1281
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:24,689
see him it's just a big mound of Earth that's
moving around and its actually kind of impressive
1282
01:38:25,065 --> 01:38:26,775
for 80's effects. How'd they do that?
1283
01:38:27,692 --> 01:38:32,030
The effects in the climax are kind of cheesy
but if you're a King completist there's enough
1284
01:38:32,406 --> 01:38:33,657
in here to make it worthwhile.
1285
01:38:34,074 --> 01:38:39,413
It goes back to Lord of the Flies kind of the same
type of story - kids unsupervised are evil.
1286
01:38:40,038 --> 01:38:41,957
It's automatically scary.
1287
01:38:53,635 --> 01:38:57,389
In the fourth installment of Friday the 13th
we get Joseph Zito directing a new cast of
1288
01:38:57,722 --> 01:39:02,102
fresh meat ready for slaughter by Jason who's
now in his full hockey mask mode after picking
1289
01:39:02,477 --> 01:39:03,979
up his new look in the last installment.
1290
01:39:04,271 --> 01:39:09,317
It's a great cast that features Kimberly Beck,
Peter Barton and Corey Feldman as Tommy Jarvis
1291
01:39:09,860 --> 01:39:11,945
who's a recurring character that we will see
two more times.
1292
01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:16,825
It's also got a pre-Back to the Future Crispin
Glover who's got the best dance moves I've
1293
01:39:17,117 --> 01:39:18,702
ever seen this side of Footloose.
1294
01:39:19,578 --> 01:39:23,540
Crispin's dance is just one of the greatest
moments ever.
1295
01:39:24,124 --> 01:39:26,126
He gives it his all and I appreciate that.
1296
01:39:26,543 --> 01:39:29,963
Amazing, like one of the greatest scenes in
all of cinema history.
1297
01:39:33,175 --> 01:39:35,927
I don't know if anyone could do that dance
but it's something like...
1298
01:39:41,308 --> 01:39:43,310
It's something like that. I don't know man.
1299
01:39:43,852 --> 01:39:44,728
Ask him.
1300
01:39:50,066 --> 01:39:55,614
I love that little Corey who was obsessed with
like monster masks and he has his little computer
1301
01:39:56,114 --> 01:39:59,951
like whoo, he's like a monster nerd like me.
That's pretty cool.
1302
01:40:01,411 --> 01:40:05,790
Ted White takes on the Jason Voorhees chopping
chores and I know everyone loves Kane Hodder
1303
01:40:06,082 --> 01:40:09,085
and so do I but Ted White might be my favorite
Jason.
1304
01:40:10,337 --> 01:40:14,925
Little monster man found courage and took
Jason out in a big way.
1305
01:40:15,217 --> 01:40:17,010
I mean who knew shaving your head would have
that effect?
1306
01:40:17,594 --> 01:40:18,094
Corey did.
1307
01:40:24,476 --> 01:40:28,355
The effects work of that machete going into
the side of Jason's head and then he falls
1308
01:40:28,647 --> 01:40:30,857
on it and his head like slides down the machete.
1309
01:40:31,149 --> 01:40:34,361
That has got to be some of my favorite special
effects in any horror movie.
1310
01:40:34,861 --> 01:40:36,780
I love that machete face slide man.
1311
01:40:43,203 --> 01:40:47,123
So, there was a kid in the candy store kind of thing
happening in the early '80s with Stephen King adaptations.
1312
01:40:47,499 --> 01:40:49,167
Everybody's got to do a Stephen King adaptation.
1313
01:40:49,459 --> 01:40:52,379
We're going to do The Shining, we're going
to do Christine, we're going to do Cujo
1314
01:40:52,879 --> 01:40:55,215
and Firestarter was part of that wave.
1315
01:40:59,928 --> 01:41:04,391
John Carpenter decides he wants to make Firestarter
because it's got an anti-authoritarian streak in it,
1316
01:41:05,183 --> 01:41:07,936
it's a road movie and he's a westerns
guy so he loves that.
1317
01:41:08,228 --> 01:41:11,231
It's got a father-daughter dynamic - an emotional
core.
1318
01:41:11,648 --> 01:41:12,566
He's super excited about that.
1319
01:41:13,108 --> 01:41:14,568
But The Thing was received poorly.
1320
01:41:14,943 --> 01:41:18,071
The Thing bombed and John Carpenter got
Firestarter taken away from him as a result.
1321
01:41:18,905 --> 01:41:24,953
Universal fired me from Firestarter because
by the time The Thing came out the horror movie
1322
01:41:25,245 --> 01:41:26,955
market at that time had shrunk.
1323
01:41:27,247 --> 01:41:30,125
Teenage boys who couldn't get in, they were
too young.
1324
01:41:30,542 --> 01:41:32,168
That was the market for horror films.
1325
01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:35,755
You couldn't do a big budget horror movie,
you had to do a little tiny one.
1326
01:41:36,339 --> 01:41:38,174
And I couldn't do Firestarter that way.
1327
01:41:38,675 --> 01:41:42,178
Dino De Laurentiis comes in, puts in I think
Mark Lester as the director.
1328
01:41:42,804 --> 01:41:48,268
Firestarter has its moments and all of the
behind the scenes stuff can't take away from
1329
01:41:48,852 --> 01:41:52,022
those exchanges between Drew Barrymore and
David Keith.
1330
01:41:52,355 --> 01:41:56,067
George C. Scott is in there doing his
whole crazy ponytail blind eye thing and it's
1331
01:41:56,359 --> 01:41:57,235
a lot of fun to watch.
1332
01:41:57,819 --> 01:42:01,406
Art Carney and Louise Fletcher as the kindly
couple.
1333
01:42:02,198 --> 01:42:06,161
It's really well cast, it's a nice-looking
film and the pyro effects are pretty good too.
1334
01:42:06,453 --> 01:42:08,622
It's just, I will always lament what could have been.
1335
01:42:16,421 --> 01:42:19,841
Gremlins made a huge impression on me.
1336
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:27,015
It took place at Christmas and the father
gets the gremlin for his son as a gift.
1337
01:42:27,432 --> 01:42:29,684
That influenced me with Child's Play.
1338
01:42:30,393 --> 01:42:36,274
The obvious takeaway for me personally was
the animatronics and just how sophisticated
1339
01:42:36,733 --> 01:42:37,651
they were.
1340
01:42:38,068 --> 01:42:41,363
Those puppets Gizmo, Stripe etc...
1341
01:42:41,821 --> 01:42:44,157
They all had distinct personalities.
1342
01:42:44,783 --> 01:42:52,123
It became obvious to me with that film, there's
nothing that a writer could write that a good
1343
01:42:52,499 --> 01:42:57,796
animatronics team and team of puppeteers
couldn't actually put on camera.
1344
01:43:00,590 --> 01:43:02,926
Gremlins is a kind of an anarchic movie.
1345
01:43:03,301 --> 01:43:08,473
It started out as a low-budget horror film
because Spielberg wanted to create his first movie
1346
01:43:08,807 --> 01:43:12,644
for Amblin and he wanted to do it in a genre
that he knew would be successful.
1347
01:43:13,019 --> 01:43:17,524
But as the picture went on and he got studio
backing for it, it became apparent that it
1348
01:43:18,066 --> 01:43:20,694
was going to have a smaller audience the more
gruesome it was.
1349
01:43:21,111 --> 01:43:22,320
We shot material we didn't use.
1350
01:43:22,779 --> 01:43:25,281
There are shots missing in the kitchen where
morn stabs the gremlin with a knife,
1351
01:43:25,782 --> 01:43:28,410
There was a shot of the gremlin writhing with a
knife in him. They took that out.
1352
01:43:28,827 --> 01:43:33,373
When Glynn Turman, the science teacher gets
killed by the gremlin in the movie you just
1353
01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:37,001
see his rear end with one needle in it but
in what we shot was his entire face covered
1354
01:43:37,377 --> 01:43:38,336
with needles like Hellraiser.
1355
01:43:38,712 --> 01:43:43,049
Once you look at what you've got, you say
well, okay, what kind of movie is this becoming?
1356
01:43:43,758 --> 01:43:48,054
And it was obvious that this was a much more
whimsical movie than a slasher horror movie and
1357
01:43:48,430 --> 01:43:52,892
so we toned all that stuff down and even then,
got lots of criticism for like you're making
1358
01:43:53,268 --> 01:43:56,020
a horror film for children, it's horrible.
But kids like it.
1359
01:43:56,938 --> 01:43:59,190
And it's remained remarkably popular.
1360
01:43:59,691 --> 01:44:03,403
The problem with the Gremlins was that we were
inventing the technology as we went and so
1361
01:44:03,987 --> 01:44:06,740
many things that were called for in the
script were impossible to do.
1362
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:13,830
Gizmo, the little fuzzy character who originally was
supposed to turn into Stripe the bad gremlin and
1363
01:44:14,456 --> 01:44:18,209
then at the last moment Steven Spielberg got
the brilliant idea which I am convinced is
1364
01:44:18,501 --> 01:44:21,713
one of the reasons the picture still is popular
that Gizmo should be in the whole picture
1365
01:44:22,088 --> 01:44:26,384
and he should be a hero's pal and we had no
way of making him work.
1366
01:44:26,926 --> 01:44:30,889
He was made to run for one reel and then all of a
sudden it was like now he's the star of the movie.
1367
01:44:31,514 --> 01:44:35,393
So we had to do a lot of quick R&D to try
to figure out how to make him a character.
1368
01:44:36,478 --> 01:44:40,356
The one scene that was really complicated
was the scene in the bar with Phoebe Cates.
1369
01:44:40,899 --> 01:44:44,277
We had to have her there and so we waited
and shot it at the end of the picture after
1370
01:44:44,569 --> 01:44:48,948
everybody had gone home and we just spent
one week in this bar with these puppets soaked
1371
01:44:49,324 --> 01:44:51,910
with beer and popcorn, making up gags basically.
1372
01:44:52,285 --> 01:44:53,870
Well, what would happen if there was a flasher
gremlin?
1373
01:44:54,412 --> 01:44:56,331
What would happen if there was a Frank Sinatra
gremlin?
1374
01:44:56,873 --> 01:44:58,500
And it took forever.
1375
01:44:59,042 --> 01:45:01,920
I mean it was really a long time and the smell...
1376
01:45:02,378 --> 01:45:04,881
I can't tell you how awful it smelled.
1377
01:45:14,808 --> 01:45:20,313
Of the three great slasher villains of the '80s,
Michael, Jason and Freddy people argue who's better.
1378
01:45:20,939 --> 01:45:24,567
There's no question that the best character
was Freddy Krueger.
1379
01:45:25,151 --> 01:45:30,698
Wes Craven created a well-rounded villain
that comes out of the nightmares of children.
1380
01:45:31,574 --> 01:45:34,035
He's a child molester who can also kill.
1381
01:45:34,536 --> 01:45:36,246
There's nothing scarier than that.
1382
01:45:36,788 --> 01:45:38,498
Wes was a visionary.
1383
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:40,583
A Nightmare on Elm Street was so brilliant.
1384
01:45:41,042 --> 01:45:46,130
It came at the right time when the slasher
film was really starting to get a little tired.
1385
01:45:46,506 --> 01:45:50,385
All of a sudden it just wasn't a guy running
around with a knife killing people.
1386
01:45:50,844 --> 01:45:53,304
That really changed the direction of horror films.
1387
01:45:54,180 --> 01:45:59,310
The reason I think that it has such a powerful
effect on people it's because there's not
1388
01:45:59,602 --> 01:46:02,897
one person that doesn't have a dream but doesn't
have a nightmare.
1389
01:46:03,356 --> 01:46:05,400
So, it was a reality there.
1390
01:46:06,317 --> 01:46:10,697
Wes Craven was a very well-read and intellectual
person.
1391
01:46:11,197 --> 01:46:18,413
I would say every scene has a much greater
significance philosophically and a worldview
1392
01:46:18,705 --> 01:46:22,876
that talks about the loss of innocence,
how you approach fear,
1393
01:46:23,334 --> 01:46:28,047
the subconscious and the power it has over
everything that we do.
1394
01:46:28,631 --> 01:46:34,846
I don't know of any other character that has
the wits and the intelligence that Freddy has.
1395
01:46:35,263 --> 01:46:38,308
When I read the script, it didn't occur to
me that he was that evil.
1396
01:46:38,683 --> 01:46:40,810
Like oh my God, this is hideous.
1397
01:46:42,562 --> 01:46:47,483
I think Tina's death scene might be the one
scene that makes Nightmare on Elm Street not
1398
01:46:47,775 --> 01:46:49,527
only really scary but really great.
1399
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:56,993
It was so sad and heartbreaking that when I saw it, I
realized like wow, we're in a totally different league.
1400
01:47:00,246 --> 01:47:04,542
And there were shots that were shot that Wes
didn't include that just went over the top
1401
01:47:04,834 --> 01:47:10,548
and I think Wes realized they can't go between
the young girl's legs more than once in a movie.
1402
01:47:11,257 --> 01:47:18,848
He does that in my bathtub scene which was
completely like crazy at the time to think of that
1403
01:47:19,182 --> 01:47:28,816
shot. The camera just where it's located was
extremely provocative and menacing but also it was
1404
01:47:29,233 --> 01:47:37,575
definitely raising the bar for kind of the sexuality
and brazenness of that young girl situation.
1405
01:47:38,576 --> 01:47:44,916
So, Nancy Thompson as a character is incredibly
virtuous but she's by no means perfect but
1406
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:50,463
I think the virtue she embodies the most is
her ability to face fear which everyone is
1407
01:47:51,089 --> 01:47:53,883
struggling to do that every day of their lives,
right?
1408
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:05,812
Robert Englund, everything he did was studied
and measured and he did it for a reason.
1409
01:48:06,312 --> 01:48:12,652
He used the glove really carefully and it
was always choreographed exactly when he would
1410
01:48:13,069 --> 01:48:15,530
open up his fingers when he would clank
them together.
1411
01:48:17,115 --> 01:48:19,492
He was just so generous as an actor.
1412
01:48:20,076 --> 01:48:23,579
He never wanted to be in the spotlight ironically.
1413
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,541
It backfired obviously on him because everyone's
watching Freddy.
1414
01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:48,646
You want to think if everybody was gone that
you would figure out a way to survive.
1415
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,525
Tom Everhart when he was writing this, he
took some of his daughter's friends out and
1416
01:48:52,817 --> 01:48:55,403
he said okay, it's the end of the world what
would you do?
1417
01:48:55,695 --> 01:48:58,906
And this is a lot of stuff that they told
him that they would do.
1418
01:49:00,533 --> 01:49:03,661
He swears to God that this is not a social
commentary.
1419
01:49:05,747 --> 01:49:07,290
Of course it's a social commentary.
1420
01:49:07,707 --> 01:49:08,624
It was a low-budget movie.
1421
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,626
I thought this script was very funny.
1422
01:49:10,918 --> 01:49:13,838
I had no idea we were going to end up
encapsulating the '80s.
1423
01:49:16,841 --> 01:49:21,054
It put me in bright colors because I was the
last thing alive that was pretending like
1424
01:49:21,596 --> 01:49:22,680
everything was okay.
1425
01:49:23,181 --> 01:49:28,811
It was red and fuchsia and turquoise and they
had Catherine Mary Stewart who played my sister
1426
01:49:29,228 --> 01:49:31,522
in drab outfits because she knew what had
happened.
1427
01:49:31,856 --> 01:49:34,692
All those fashions, I mean that's just what
we wore.
1428
01:49:35,818 --> 01:49:40,323
They built that cheerleading outfit for me
so that it fit like a glove first of all because
1429
01:49:40,698 --> 01:49:41,699
cheerleading outfits...
1430
01:49:41,991 --> 01:49:44,660
The one I wore in Fast Times at Ridgemont High did
not fit me that way.
1431
01:49:47,872 --> 01:49:48,998
Cheerleader with an Uzi.
1432
01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:51,542
I don't know that I can explain that.
1433
01:49:51,959 --> 01:49:54,003
When I did it, it made perfect sense to me.
1434
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:56,964
In that scene where I start to cry. We're gonna cut
that scene.
1435
01:49:57,298 --> 01:49:58,716
That's her arc.
1436
01:49:59,008 --> 01:50:02,595
That is the point when she admits that she
knows, because at one point they were just
1437
01:50:03,012 --> 01:50:04,097
going to kill her.
1438
01:50:04,597 --> 01:50:06,099
She's just going to be annoying and
she was going to die.
1439
01:50:06,641 --> 01:50:10,186
They went no, because she's like one of the
most relatable characters.
1440
01:50:12,396 --> 01:50:17,819
There's a magic on a movie where everything
could be right but it just lays there flat
1441
01:50:18,611 --> 01:50:25,076
and then you can have unknowns and $5 to make
something with and just the chemistry or whatever
1442
01:50:25,451 --> 01:50:29,580
weird thing that is... boom! And that's why I
think we all love it.
1443
01:50:35,044 --> 01:50:43,803
One of the most scary things about horror
movies is having this villain who you can't
1444
01:50:44,428 --> 01:50:47,223
reason with and you're sure that you're going
to die.
1445
01:50:47,765 --> 01:50:48,808
They're going to kill you.
1446
01:50:49,267 --> 01:50:53,604
Oh, there were so many villains in the '80s
cannon that you were really into.
1447
01:50:53,980 --> 01:50:57,775
I gravitated to a little bit of the silly
so I thought the Critters were really cool.
1448
01:50:58,067 --> 01:50:59,026
Gremlins were cool.
1449
01:50:59,318 --> 01:51:00,528
I always loved monsters.
1450
01:51:02,822 --> 01:51:05,741
The Tall Man kind of came into his own in
the '80s, didn't he?
1451
01:51:06,033 --> 01:51:09,829
Phantasm always had that kind of cult status
but when Phantasm 2 came around
1452
01:51:10,121 --> 01:51:11,164
that was rock and roll.
1453
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,172
'80s horror was a good time for villains because
it started to get a little heightened.
1454
01:51:19,630 --> 01:51:22,133
It started to get a little cartoonish and
maybe little campy, a little colorful.
1455
01:51:22,925 --> 01:51:24,135
Greg Stillson in the Dead Zone.
1456
01:51:24,844 --> 01:51:26,304
He's very much on my mind these days.
1457
01:51:26,929 --> 01:51:33,728
I love the one-two punch of Dr. Hill from
Re-Animator and Dr. Pretorius from Beyond.
1458
01:51:34,145 --> 01:51:38,774
Real old-school almost Karloff-like in the
way that they come across.
1459
01:51:39,650 --> 01:51:42,278
Norman Bates is a guy who lives next door.
1460
01:51:43,321 --> 01:51:50,453
Leatherface, Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees,
they were all exaggerations and they were
1461
01:51:50,912 --> 01:51:52,538
mythologized Slashers.
1462
01:51:53,122 --> 01:51:56,209
In the case of Freddy Krueger, he was burned
in a fire and is scarred.
1463
01:51:56,834 --> 01:52:02,131
And Jason Voorhees also horribly scarred but
hidden behind a hockey mask.
1464
01:52:02,965 --> 01:52:08,721
And Leatherface is literally wearing the faces
of victims that he killed. But in Norman Bates
1465
01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:15,853
he's the boy next door but capable of the
most horrendous murders to protect himself
1466
01:52:16,145 --> 01:52:17,355
and his family.
1467
01:52:17,813 --> 01:52:22,276
He was a little mad and we all go a little
mad sometimes
1468
01:52:22,777 --> 01:52:25,363
was his motto and it should be his T-shirt.
1469
01:52:26,906 --> 01:52:31,869
Mentally unstable people with childhood traumas
who then manifest those traumas into real
1470
01:52:32,245 --> 01:52:33,454
life horror shows.
1471
01:52:33,913 --> 01:52:37,750
For me Norman Bates was kind of a real reflection
of things that could happen and that is scary.
1472
01:52:38,376 --> 01:52:43,214
My favorite '80s villain is Edward Herrmann
from Lost Boys.
1473
01:52:44,340 --> 01:52:47,260
It was M. Night Shyamalan before M. Night
Shyamalan.
1474
01:52:47,718 --> 01:52:51,889
It was that twist where you're like, ”Nooo...
1475
01:52:52,348 --> 01:52:56,852
Out of nowhere, he is the main vampire.
What the fuck?!"
1476
01:52:57,395 --> 01:53:03,943
You watch that movie now with that knowledge
and it changes everything.
1477
01:53:04,610 --> 01:53:10,074
Everybody else is just so overt in their evil
whereas he... he's the cunning guy.
1478
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:14,870
If the killer wasn't over the top then the
kills were.
1479
01:53:22,837 --> 01:53:26,299
The Friday the 13th films are the backbone
of horror in the '80s.
1480
01:53:26,882 --> 01:53:31,637
The fact that there were so many of them in
the '80s, that's pretty impressive.
1481
01:53:31,971 --> 01:53:35,266
Audiences wanted that character back so many
times.
1482
01:53:35,933 --> 01:53:41,856
Throughout the series of the films the makeup
is completely different but you know what?
1483
01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:44,191
The fans don't give a shit.
1484
01:53:44,859 --> 01:53:51,866
They just want to see Jason again and that's
why there has been twelve Friday the 13th films
1485
01:53:52,408 --> 01:53:57,121
basically and they got to do one more.
1486
01:53:57,830 --> 01:54:00,583
Michael Myers has spanned over several films
now.
1487
01:54:01,042 --> 01:54:02,335
It's evil personified.
1488
01:54:02,752 --> 01:54:07,548
Yes, you could go off all day about how the
sequels are and whether you like Part 5
1489
01:54:07,965 --> 01:54:13,721
or 6 or whatever or the Rob Zombie films
or anything but still that character just remains.
1490
01:54:14,013 --> 01:54:19,143
It's an iconic image that just is part of
the Horror Hall of Fame.
1491
01:54:20,311 --> 01:54:22,355
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
1492
01:54:22,688 --> 01:54:27,568
There's me and Freddy and whatever and whatever
that come out and that people just loved to
1493
01:54:28,569 --> 01:54:31,030
revisit the characters and stuff like that.
1494
01:54:31,447 --> 01:54:33,949
This is what made them happy.
1495
01:54:37,453 --> 01:54:42,583
Pinhead's like an incredible character in those
movies because he's genuinely terrifying.
1496
01:54:42,958 --> 01:54:48,214
I mean here is a guy that has like a hundred
nails stuck in his head, comes from hell,
1497
01:54:48,839 --> 01:54:55,012
dressed in like BDSM leather outfit and just
wants to play with you until you've been ripped
1498
01:54:55,388 --> 01:54:56,097
to pieces.
1499
01:54:57,890 --> 01:55:03,813
He's not hiding around a corner waiting to
jump out on you with the stiletto blade.
1500
01:55:04,563 --> 01:55:06,399
There's a whole process that goes on here.
1501
01:55:07,066 --> 01:55:11,904
You have to be interested in the idea of exploring
pain and pleasure.
1502
01:55:12,405 --> 01:55:17,827
You have to have the right motivation behind
the thumbs to make Pinhead ultimately interested
1503
01:55:18,244 --> 01:55:24,792
in you even then he wants to stop and discuss
the weather and the price offish with you.
1504
01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:31,340
It's the dark dirty corners of your mind and
your heart and your soul that he's really
1505
01:55:31,841 --> 01:55:32,716
interested in.
1506
01:55:33,092 --> 01:55:34,844
Then we might get down to the hooks and the
chains.
1507
01:55:37,888 --> 01:55:40,057
The '80s spawned a lot of franchises.
1508
01:55:40,516 --> 01:55:47,898
I mean Chucky was kind of a badass bad dude
and super funny and fun to hate.
1509
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:57,324
Chucky hides in plain sight.
1510
01:55:57,992 --> 01:56:03,205
He just sits in the scene with all of the
other characters and they have no idea that
1511
01:56:03,706 --> 01:56:06,834
there is a ticking bomb in the room with them.
1512
01:56:09,378 --> 01:56:11,005
Who was the better antagonist?
1513
01:56:11,505 --> 01:56:14,091
Jason, Michael Myers or Freddy?
1514
01:56:14,758 --> 01:56:21,056
In my opinion there's no question the most
complex and the most well-written of the three
1515
01:56:21,515 --> 01:56:23,142
is definitely Freddy Krueger.
1516
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,687
How do you not love Freddy Krueger too?
1517
01:56:27,021 --> 01:56:32,943
I mean come on, he started out as something
different in the first movie then they moved
1518
01:56:33,235 --> 01:56:34,028
away from that.
1519
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:40,451
He killed children and yet we held him up
on this pedestal and there were dolls and like
1520
01:56:41,035 --> 01:56:43,787
all these things that were for kids,
marketed for kids.
1521
01:56:44,121 --> 01:56:45,414
A talking Freddy doll.
1522
01:56:45,789 --> 01:56:47,208
This is a child killer people.
1523
01:56:51,921 --> 01:56:57,051
Obviously, he runs the gamut from being really
scary to being really corny across all the
1524
01:56:57,343 --> 01:56:58,260
different films.
1525
01:57:03,015 --> 01:57:10,481
But Robert Englund really brought a sense
of style and charisma and just this attitude
1526
01:57:10,814 --> 01:57:11,607
to this character.
1527
01:57:12,107 --> 01:57:20,115
I respect how hard it is to create an iconic
figure and marketing it to kids is the best
1528
01:57:20,407 --> 01:57:24,620
way to do that and certainly with Freddy that
is a giant piece of his successes.
1529
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:31,043
The marketing, the records, the gloves, the
shirts, the hats, the costumes the...
1530
01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:34,004
Gosh, you can buy a onesie that has Freddy
on it.
1531
01:57:34,463 --> 01:57:39,093
You can buy so much with Freddy on it and
that really was the key to his success.
1532
01:57:39,385 --> 01:57:42,388
And then everybody else were like oh, there's
the formula for that.
1533
01:57:43,222 --> 01:57:51,480
And the hockey masks, the chainsaws, it all
becomes this big marketing extravaganza and
1534
01:57:51,981 --> 01:57:56,652
it works to make iconic characters, it really
does work.
1535
01:58:14,295 --> 01:58:16,380
Company of Wolves is magical.
1536
01:58:17,172 --> 01:58:21,468
It takes little red riding-hood and turns
it into something really provocative and Freudian.
1537
01:58:21,885 --> 01:58:26,056
It has to do with red dresses and menstrual
bleeding and werewolves.
1538
01:58:28,183 --> 01:58:33,856
In this one the wolf head emerges out of the
human mouth and that transformation takes
1539
01:58:34,273 --> 01:58:37,401
place in a totally different manner than you've
seen before.
1540
01:58:37,943 --> 01:58:44,241
It's still makeup effects and it's still puppetry
and change-o head type technology but in a
1541
01:58:44,533 --> 01:58:45,618
totally different way.
1542
01:58:46,118 --> 01:58:48,412
It's a really special movie that not enough
people have seen.
1543
01:58:48,954 --> 01:58:51,206
Company of Wolves was I thought a really
interesting movie.
1544
01:58:51,665 --> 01:58:55,294
I was a little miffed when Neil Jordan said he didn't
want to make a piece of shit like The Howling.
1545
01:58:55,711 --> 01:58:59,256
So, it kind of prejudiced me a little bit
but it's a good movie.
1546
01:59:12,811 --> 01:59:16,106
The Stuff which is a blob movie basically
1547
01:59:16,565 --> 01:59:21,153
is about killer yogurt and it eats you.
1548
01:59:22,321 --> 01:59:26,867
It manages to be hilarious and scary at the
same time.
1549
01:59:33,666 --> 01:59:38,212
It's a comment on consumer society except
you're not consuming the stuff out of the can
1550
01:59:38,504 --> 01:59:40,673
the stuff out of the can is consuming you.
1551
01:59:42,675 --> 01:59:43,884
It's terrific.
1552
01:59:44,551 --> 01:59:49,348
If you want to make a movie about American
industry producing products that poison
1553
01:59:49,723 --> 01:59:54,353
the public that would be a wonderful movie but
nobody would go to see it.
1554
01:59:55,354 --> 01:59:59,942
Then you take the same idea and you may get
ice cream that they're putting out in the
1555
02:00:00,442 --> 02:00:05,030
marketplace that consumes you from within
and now it's an entertainment movie.
1556
02:00:05,322 --> 02:00:08,283
Sell your message at the same time as you
entertain.
1557
02:00:08,784 --> 02:00:14,498
The whole idea of our picture was that people
go out and buy this product and eat it and
1558
02:00:14,873 --> 02:00:16,917
become addicted to it and love it.
1559
02:00:17,292 --> 02:00:19,253
So, it was about everything else that's addictive.
1560
02:00:19,962 --> 02:00:24,216
Michael Moriarty was remarkable in the first
picture we did together which was Q and
1561
02:00:24,633 --> 02:00:26,301
nobody could have been better.
1562
02:00:26,844 --> 02:00:28,762
So, naturally I would want to work with him
again.
1563
02:00:30,389 --> 02:00:34,685
We did the same thing as Fred Astaire and
that famous dance routine where he danced
1564
02:00:35,018 --> 02:00:35,936
on the ceiling.
1565
02:00:36,311 --> 02:00:39,857
They turned the room; we turned the room 360
degrees upside down.
1566
02:00:40,441 --> 02:00:43,360
The only difference is that in this one it
was on fire.
1567
02:00:46,822 --> 02:00:48,449
I beat this stuff with a stick.
1568
02:00:49,158 --> 02:00:52,953
When it didn't want to do what I told it to
do, I didn't care.
1569
02:00:53,412 --> 02:00:58,292
When no one was looking, I'd give it a couple
of whacks and that got it's attention and
1570
02:00:58,709 --> 02:01:01,044
it pretty well did what it was told after that.
1571
02:01:02,171 --> 02:01:07,760
With actors it's one thing because they have
feelings and they have agents and they have
1572
02:01:08,093 --> 02:01:11,513
lawyers but the stuff was totally mine.
1573
02:01:12,181 --> 02:01:13,599
I could beat the shit out of it.
1574
02:01:29,198 --> 02:01:34,411
My father was one of the first horror hosts in the
country in Pittsburgh, his name was Chilly Billy and
1575
02:01:34,787 --> 02:01:39,041
he had a show called Chiller Theater. And Night of
the Living Dead, my father was in it.
1576
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:43,295
George was a master and he was always ahead
of his time.
1577
02:01:43,587 --> 02:01:48,050
As everybody says a giant of a man, a tall
teddy bear.
1578
02:01:48,425 --> 02:01:52,429
He was approachable, he loved the actors,
he gave us freedoms.
1579
02:01:57,226 --> 02:01:59,728
Sarah was holding it tight, trying to hold
it together.
1580
02:02:00,103 --> 02:02:01,104
She had to hold it together.
1581
02:02:01,522 --> 02:02:05,567
She was a scientist trying to figure this out how to
deal with all these jerk guys in the military.
1582
02:02:13,909 --> 02:02:17,913
She had warmth and compassion but mostly you
don't get to see that.
1583
02:02:18,372 --> 02:02:20,666
You see her harder exterior.
1584
02:02:21,708 --> 02:02:26,296
At the time people were trying to compare
Day of the Dead to Dawn of the Dead.
1585
02:02:26,588 --> 02:02:27,798
It was a completely different movie.
1586
02:02:28,215 --> 02:02:31,635
They were very disappointed and it was too
talky
1587
02:02:31,969 --> 02:02:34,346
they would say or not enough gore although
at the end
1588
02:02:34,763 --> 02:02:37,224
Tom Savini and his crew did a beautiful job.
1589
02:02:38,350 --> 02:02:41,478
The practical special effects on Day of the
Dead are remarkable.
1590
02:02:43,605 --> 02:02:48,694
Greg Nicotero was a young guy on the show
and he was like 19 years old but obviously
1591
02:02:49,152 --> 02:02:49,903
very talented.
1592
02:02:53,073 --> 02:03:00,080
Dawn of the Dead changed my life forever just in terms
of never knowing where George was going to take us.
1593
02:03:05,586 --> 02:03:09,840
I was basically Tom's assistant so I ran
the department for him and ordered all the
1594
02:03:10,215 --> 02:03:12,801
supplies, hired the crew, all that kind of stuff.
1595
02:03:13,385 --> 02:03:17,723
He always wanted to use real intestines as
often as we could.
1596
02:03:18,223 --> 02:03:21,810
You can't get better than the real thing so
we would use pig intestines.
1597
02:03:23,228 --> 02:03:27,190
The big showstopper in Day of the Dead is
when Rhodes is torn apart.
1598
02:03:33,989 --> 02:03:37,910
The culmination of everything that we did
in that movie led to that moment.
1599
02:03:38,577 --> 02:03:44,291
Then they just have a feast on his guts and
his body and his fingers and his mostly the
1600
02:03:44,666 --> 02:03:45,918
guts inside.
1601
02:03:47,127 --> 02:03:52,007
When we shot that scene, we used rancid rotted
intestines.
1602
02:03:52,466 --> 02:03:57,346
And I remember a couple of the zombies actually
took earplugs and stuffed them up their noses
1603
02:03:57,721 --> 02:03:59,014
because the smell was so bad.
1604
02:03:59,598 --> 02:04:05,020
When George yells cut everybody's doing this
to wave the smell of the rotting intestines
1605
02:04:05,437 --> 02:04:06,813
away from Joe Pilato's face.
1606
02:04:07,272 --> 02:04:09,900
We didn't know any better to just go out and
buy new guts.
1607
02:04:10,484 --> 02:04:12,402
We didn't want to spend the 8O bucks I guess
I don't know.
1608
02:04:14,071 --> 02:04:17,783
I think that the gore in Day of the Dead is
actually very appropriate.
1609
02:04:18,283 --> 02:04:21,453
It's over-the-top at the end of course it
is, that's George's humor.
1610
02:04:21,912 --> 02:04:24,623
That's what was so remarkable about George's
films.
1611
02:04:24,915 --> 02:04:26,959
They get better and better with age.
1612
02:04:46,645 --> 02:04:49,356
Hot off the success of his Psycho 2 screenplay.
1613
02:04:49,731 --> 02:04:53,068
Tom Holland wrote and directed Fright Night
and took everyone by surprise.
1614
02:04:53,694 --> 02:04:59,157
It left the great movie monsters behind and
I wrote Fright Night in reaction to that and
1615
02:04:59,616 --> 02:05:05,205
also because I had grown up loving the Hammer
AIP vampire films.
1616
02:05:05,664 --> 02:05:06,873
I love Christopher Lee.
1617
02:05:07,332 --> 02:05:12,379
It stars William Ragsdale, Amanda Bearse,
Stephen Geoffreys and Roddy McDowall opposite
1618
02:05:12,796 --> 02:05:14,006
Chris Sarandon.
1619
02:05:15,007 --> 02:05:19,469
What you do is to have a gonzo horror
fan look out the window and see his next-door
1620
02:05:19,761 --> 02:05:22,597
neighbor a vampire chomping down on somebody.
1621
02:05:22,973 --> 02:05:26,601
And then of course, if he's a horror movie
fan running around saying vampire, vampire
1622
02:05:26,893 --> 02:05:27,519
next door.
1623
02:05:27,894 --> 02:05:29,563
Nobody's going to believe him.
1624
02:05:33,191 --> 02:05:35,569
You can't make the villain all bad.
1625
02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:41,616
You have to add the ambivalence where there
are saving graces to the villain to make him
1626
02:05:41,908 --> 02:05:43,577
a three-dimensional character.
1627
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:48,582
He's been given eternal life but he always
loses the one he loves.
1628
02:05:52,794 --> 02:05:58,008
Roddy McDowall kills it as Peter Vincent who's
a B-movie horror host named after Peter Cushing
1629
02:05:58,341 --> 02:06:01,678
and Vincent Price and he's forced to take
on the real deal.
1630
02:06:07,225 --> 02:06:11,104
It was a cool movie that actually had a sense
of history as well.
1631
02:06:11,605 --> 02:06:12,606
It had everything you wanted.
1632
02:06:13,148 --> 02:06:18,737
There was great gore, there were hints of
nostalgia with McDowell and that kind of hit
1633
02:06:19,154 --> 02:06:20,405
towards the Hammer movies.
1634
02:06:21,156 --> 02:06:28,246
I had the best effects crew extant in Hollywood
at that moment and Fright Night is full of
1635
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:30,582
in-camera effects.
1636
02:06:33,794 --> 02:06:37,672
There's that final scene where Charlie and
Peter Vincent confront Jerry Dandrige in the
1637
02:06:37,964 --> 02:06:39,633
basement and Amy gets in the way.
1638
02:06:40,383 --> 02:06:43,845
And she says Charlie you told me that you'd
save me.
1639
02:06:47,724 --> 02:06:51,937
And then she comes back to him and when she
came back to him, I realized there was a huge
1640
02:06:52,270 --> 02:06:53,605
scare that was there.
1641
02:06:54,022 --> 02:06:58,735
I went to Steve Johnson and I said Steve give
her a shark's mouth that will scare the hell
1642
02:06:59,152 --> 02:07:00,612
out of every kid.
1643
02:07:04,825 --> 02:07:09,412
Then it ends up being the definitive image
on the one street and has become cosplay.
1644
02:07:09,788 --> 02:07:10,372
Yes.
1645
02:07:10,747 --> 02:07:11,790
Who knew?
1646
02:07:24,177 --> 02:07:29,850
The Return of the Living Dead I think is such
a great horror comedy because it never stops
1647
02:07:30,350 --> 02:07:34,688
being horrifying but it's so gut-bustingly funny.
1648
02:07:39,317 --> 02:07:43,363
I remember a very significant moment of watching
The Return of the Living Dead when they brain
1649
02:07:43,822 --> 02:07:48,034
the thing and it doesn't work because then
everything you think you know is out the window.
1650
02:07:48,368 --> 02:07:51,872
And it's one of the first maybe meta zombie
movies that's playing with those expectations
1651
02:07:52,247 --> 02:07:54,457
where they take a moment to explain all the
rules that they learn from watching
1652
02:07:54,916 --> 02:07:55,792
Night of the Living Dead.
1653
02:07:56,293 --> 02:07:58,211
I'd thought you said if we destroyed the brain
it'd die?
1654
02:07:58,795 --> 02:08:01,173
It worked in the movie.
Well, it ain't working now Frank.
1655
02:08:01,506 --> 02:08:02,757
You mean the movie lied?
1656
02:08:03,550 --> 02:08:07,387
And then when those rules don't apply to the
situation you're in, it suddenly becomes...
1657
02:08:07,929 --> 02:08:09,264
very anything could happen.
1658
02:08:13,435 --> 02:08:16,188
They weren't the mindless flesh eaters.
1659
02:08:16,646 --> 02:08:20,859
They were fast, they were smart, they were
not what you were expecting.
1660
02:08:21,234 --> 02:08:23,069
They're killing the paramedics; They're killing
the cops.
1661
02:08:23,695 --> 02:08:28,658
And one of them gets on the CB radio and is
like ”Send more cops."
1662
02:08:31,286 --> 02:08:35,790
And it's just hilarious because you've never seen
that in a zombie movie before.
1663
02:08:38,043 --> 02:08:39,753
The Tarman scene,
1664
02:08:40,045 --> 02:08:43,548
I remember looking at it and thinking I had
no idea how they did it because something
1665
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,092
so specific is happening with the anatomy
of that thing.
1666
02:08:46,426 --> 02:08:49,721
It's just one of those accidentally iconic
moments of horror with the design,
1667
02:08:50,096 --> 02:08:52,140
with the actor, with the way he was carrying
himself.
1668
02:08:52,682 --> 02:08:54,184
It's an indelible image of '80s horror.
1669
02:08:54,893 --> 02:08:59,356
That woman corpse that they cut in half, it
was made by a friend of mine Tony Gardner
1670
02:08:59,731 --> 02:09:02,025
who has done Chucky for the last few movies.
1671
02:09:02,484 --> 02:09:08,782
They tie her down and have this conversation
with her. They say, "Why do you want brains?"
1672
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:10,075
And she says...
1673
02:09:10,700 --> 02:09:14,246
"It makes the pain go away."
1674
02:09:14,871 --> 02:09:18,667
That to me is one of the most horrifying concepts
1675
02:09:18,959 --> 02:09:23,964
I've ever heard in a horror movie and so hilarious
at the same time.
1676
02:09:24,589 --> 02:09:26,549
I find that movie fascinating.
1677
02:09:36,893 --> 02:09:38,770
What can I say about Howling 2?
1678
02:09:39,187 --> 02:09:41,898
I can say that Christopher Lee apologized
to me for being in it.
1679
02:09:42,357 --> 02:09:47,904
I can say that to whatever Phillippe Mora was
thinking, I don't think it probably got on film.
1680
02:09:48,363 --> 02:09:53,785
It does have however Sybil Danning's dropping
her dress 72 times during the end credits
1681
02:09:54,202 --> 02:09:55,453
which you know, that counts for something.
1682
02:09:55,870 --> 02:09:57,914
The problem with Howling 2 is that it just
doesn't make any sense.
1683
02:09:58,581 --> 02:10:03,378
Particularly in that it completely blows the
ending of Howling 1 in which the newscaster
1684
02:10:03,753 --> 02:10:07,966
turns into a werewolf in front of the entire TV
audience and then in Howling 2 nobody saw it.
1685
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,136
It's like it must have been the lowest rated newscast
in history.
1686
02:10:11,469 --> 02:10:14,514
And it was shot in Transylvania or someplace
like that. Ferdy Mayne is in it.
1687
02:10:14,973 --> 02:10:18,351
I mean there are things about it that are
interesting but it just doesn't make any sense at all.
1688
02:10:31,197 --> 02:10:35,535
When Stephen King focuses in on small-town
stories that's what I love as a fan.
1689
02:10:36,036 --> 02:10:39,998
Well, Silver Bullet was done by Dan Attias
who was one of my assistant directors.
1690
02:10:40,332 --> 02:10:40,915
It's a werewolf picture.
1691
02:10:41,374 --> 02:10:43,376
Another one of those movies '80s movies with
a kid hero.
1692
02:10:43,877 --> 02:10:48,006
Yeah, it's a pretty affecting movie because
a lot of these movies much like I Was a Teenage
1693
02:10:48,381 --> 02:10:53,970
Werewolf are parables about adolescence and Silver
Bullet it fits into that category I think much
1694
02:10:54,262 --> 02:10:57,057
more so than like something like The Howling or
An American Werewolf.
1695
02:10:57,599 --> 02:10:59,601
The Coreys were kind of everything in the
1696
02:10:59,976 --> 02:11:04,314
Silver Bullet was my first-time seeing Corey Haim in
anything and I just fell in love with that kid.
1697
02:11:04,689 --> 02:11:07,984
And I thought there was something very special
about him in that movie.
1698
02:11:08,276 --> 02:11:13,531
And of course, Gary Busey, he knows Uncle
Red with all his little Uncle Red-isms, you know?
1699
02:11:17,035 --> 02:11:20,747
And it made me scared of the dark again because
there's something out there.
1700
02:11:21,039 --> 02:11:25,001
Everett McGill as Reverend Lowe it's such
a great performance.
1701
02:11:27,253 --> 02:11:32,133
And it's interesting to me that in that movie
he didn't even have to be the guy in the werewolf
1702
02:11:32,717 --> 02:11:35,512
costume but he did it because he was so method.
1703
02:11:53,071 --> 02:11:56,783
I had no idea that Re-Animator would become
a cult classic.
1704
02:11:57,158 --> 02:12:01,079
We needed to find a way to separate our film from
so many of the others because everyone
1705
02:12:01,454 --> 02:12:02,664
was making horror films then.
1706
02:12:03,123 --> 02:12:07,752
Basically, Lovecraft doing his version of
Frankenstein it's about someone who has a
1707
02:12:08,169 --> 02:12:10,755
dream that's a very positive thing that turns awful.
1708
02:12:18,096 --> 02:12:19,973
It's sort of like be careful what you
wish for.
1709
02:12:20,306 --> 02:12:24,144
The idea of bringing the dead back to life
is something we all wish that we could do.
1710
02:12:24,602 --> 02:12:28,356
I like movies where the heads talk and The
Brain That Wouldn't Die.
1711
02:12:29,023 --> 02:12:32,777
I just think there's something about that
that's real horror to me.
1712
02:12:33,611 --> 02:12:36,448
Herbert West, he's so full of himself.
1713
02:12:42,203 --> 02:12:47,792
And yet we can't help but like him because
he's so enthusiastic and he always makes a
1714
02:12:48,168 --> 02:12:50,128
choice you didn't guess it.
1715
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:56,968
I think the unsung power of Stuart is his
storytelling ability.
1716
02:12:57,343 --> 02:13:00,722
Stuart's gloriously outrageous, he just
goes for it.
1717
02:13:01,139 --> 02:13:03,308
It's big and it's brave.
1718
02:13:07,228 --> 02:13:11,024
So, we had to invent a female character for
Re-Animator and we invented the dean's
1719
02:13:11,441 --> 02:13:14,235
daughter Megan Halsey that Barbara Crampton
plays in the film.
1720
02:13:14,777 --> 02:13:18,615
And of course, the scene that got all the
attention is the scene in which we sometimes
1721
02:13:18,990 --> 02:13:20,366
call it the head gives head scene.
1722
02:13:20,700 --> 02:13:22,911
We knew that no one was going to do a scene
like this.
1723
02:13:23,369 --> 02:13:27,499
It was a funny thing that they were doing,
this visual pun.
1724
02:13:27,957 --> 02:13:32,837
And I thought I can't turn this down because
of this moment on screen that I'm going to
1725
02:13:33,213 --> 02:13:34,047
have to do.
1726
02:13:34,506 --> 02:13:41,095
If I knew then what I know now I don't know
if I would have been able to go through with
1727
02:13:41,471 --> 02:13:43,181
what I went through on Re-Animator.
1728
02:13:43,681 --> 02:13:45,517
It was quite exploitive.
1729
02:13:45,975 --> 02:13:48,186
It was really groundbreaking in a way.
1730
02:13:48,686 --> 02:13:51,814
That scene is still shocking and taboo.
1731
02:13:52,607 --> 02:13:59,781
The fortunate thing is it stopped before it
really gets bad.
1732
02:14:00,114 --> 02:14:02,075
It just goes right up to the edge there.
1733
02:14:02,575 --> 02:14:07,247
There wouldn't be Re-Animator without that
damsel in distress like that.
1734
02:14:07,789 --> 02:14:09,249
We wouldn't be talking about it.
1735
02:14:09,958 --> 02:14:17,423
Stuart Gordon's maybe signature achievement
in horror is the ironic tone, the over-the-top
1736
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,133
pleasure of the horror.
1737
02:14:19,634 --> 02:14:20,593
The fun of it.
1738
02:14:20,927 --> 02:14:27,183
He brought kind of an experience to Re-Animator
that showed that a cheap horror movie
1739
02:14:27,642 --> 02:14:28,685
can be really good.
1740
02:14:29,143 --> 02:14:33,022
I honestly thought no one will ever see this
bloody thing.
1741
02:14:33,398 --> 02:14:34,524
What did I know?
1742
02:14:42,282 --> 02:14:43,616
Ash played by Bruce Campbell.
1743
02:14:44,075 --> 02:14:49,080
He was one of the first actors who become famous
in horror for playing a hero rather than a villain.
1744
02:14:54,210 --> 02:14:59,591
Horror stars from the 30s on down through
to Vincent Price and Christopher Lee etc...
1745
02:14:59,966 --> 02:15:02,760
were tended to be known for playing the monsters,
the villains.
1746
02:15:03,261 --> 02:15:07,015
The male horror stars were known for being
the antagonists and Bruce Campbell's a little
1747
02:15:07,307 --> 02:15:08,057
different.
1748
02:15:09,851 --> 02:15:13,813
He was the Bruce Willis of horror.
1749
02:15:14,272 --> 02:15:20,028
He was just that every man who was like stuck
in a situation that was way out of his league.
1750
02:15:20,403 --> 02:15:22,655
He just said screw it, I'm not going to die.
1751
02:15:30,330 --> 02:15:34,375
He was known for being the guy fighting back
against the evil so that made him kind of
1752
02:15:34,792 --> 02:15:36,252
unique in horror history.
1753
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:46,095
Every boy in the world must have wanted to
be Kurt Russell in The Thing.
1754
02:15:47,555 --> 02:15:51,559
He battles an alien creature in sub-zero
temperatures.
1755
02:15:58,733 --> 02:16:02,153
He's still badass all the way through even after
everything he's been through.
1756
02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:07,408
Tom Holland's Fright Night.
1757
02:16:07,742 --> 02:16:11,162
I always wanted to be like kind of a mix between
Charlie Brewster and Evil Ed
1758
02:16:11,746 --> 02:16:15,875
where I wanted to be the super horror nerdy kid but
I also wanted the girlfriend.
1759
02:16:19,712 --> 02:16:20,755
In Phantasm 2,
1760
02:16:21,130 --> 02:16:25,551
Reggie Bannister is a likable, relatable character
because he's basically playing himself.
1761
02:16:29,555 --> 02:16:32,684
He talks that way off set, "Hey, dude, man
how is it going?"
1762
02:16:33,518 --> 02:16:35,061
He's the same way.
1763
02:16:35,395 --> 02:16:37,188
I think that's why people like him.
1764
02:16:43,861 --> 02:16:45,196
Tom Atkins is awesome.
1765
02:16:46,155 --> 02:16:47,740
He's always like a reliable presence.
1766
02:16:48,241 --> 02:16:51,619
You see him turn up and a lot of Carpenter
stuff and then Romero borrows him for Creepshow
1767
02:16:51,994 --> 02:16:53,913
and then he's in Night of the Creeps as the cop.
1768
02:16:54,372 --> 02:16:55,289
He's great.
1769
02:16:58,042 --> 02:17:00,253
'Mo' Rutherford from The Stuff.
1770
02:17:00,545 --> 02:17:02,964
He is awesome.
1771
02:17:03,464 --> 02:17:07,093
On first glance you're like this guy's kind
of a scumbag and he plays himself a little
1772
02:17:07,385 --> 02:17:12,807
like aloof but then as the movie goes on you
really fall in love with him because you see
1773
02:17:13,182 --> 02:17:14,350
where he's coming from.
1774
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:25,027
A lot of people will misunderstand him and think
1775
02:17:25,445 --> 02:17:29,282
that he's the doofus but really, he's outsmarting
everyone.
1776
02:17:29,741 --> 02:17:31,117
He's such a good character.
1777
02:17:31,576 --> 02:17:36,122
So, when I think of '80s specifically and heroes,
I think of movies like The Monster Squad and
1778
02:17:36,414 --> 02:17:37,415
The Lost Boys.
1779
02:17:37,707 --> 02:17:39,459
These are movies that I could relate to as
a kid.
1780
02:17:40,293 --> 02:17:42,503
It's these cool kids that I wanted as my friends.
1781
02:17:42,962 --> 02:17:43,796
I wanted that tree-house.
1782
02:17:44,297 --> 02:17:45,339
I wanted that club.
1783
02:17:45,631 --> 02:17:50,303
Like I really wanted to have a Monster Club
and ride around on my bike and try to actually
1784
02:17:50,678 --> 02:17:52,472
take out monsters if I could find them.
1785
02:17:53,139 --> 02:17:54,766
In Lost Boys you've got the Frog Brothers.
1786
02:17:55,224 --> 02:17:57,810
They hung out at this comic shop and they
were vampire killers.
1787
02:17:58,227 --> 02:17:59,771
I was like man, this is me.
I've got my bike.
1788
02:18:00,313 --> 02:18:02,940
After this movie I'm going to go ride around
with my friends and try to recreate these things.
1789
02:18:04,650 --> 02:18:10,156
In the '80s the central character certainly
Friday the 13th and Nightmare, and Halloween,
1790
02:18:10,531 --> 02:18:16,329
you started to see really strong women who
start out to be victims possibly but at some
1791
02:18:16,746 --> 02:18:18,289
point, it turns.
1792
02:18:18,706 --> 02:18:20,416
They find a way to win the day.
1793
02:18:20,708 --> 02:18:22,794
Some guy doesn't come in and save them.
1794
02:18:24,295 --> 02:18:26,422
Yeah, it was not a time for kick-ass guys.
1795
02:18:26,714 --> 02:18:28,466
It was a time for kick-ass gals.
1796
02:18:28,966 --> 02:18:31,385
And it wasn't about women running away from
fear.
1797
02:18:31,803 --> 02:18:33,346
It was about women confronting it.
1798
02:18:33,638 --> 02:18:37,266
The '80s was a great decade for women and I
think people just sort of misconstrued what
1799
02:18:37,558 --> 02:18:39,894
horror was trying to say about female characters.
1800
02:18:45,650 --> 02:18:50,154
So many people who look at the genre outside
they think it's just about victimizing women
1801
02:18:50,530 --> 02:18:55,535
and I think they think it's about basically
living out these like lurid fantasies of violence
1802
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:56,911
against women.
1803
02:18:57,537 --> 02:19:03,084
But for me as a kid growing up watching '80s
horror it was about watching women persevere.
1804
02:19:03,459 --> 02:19:06,379
Horror has a love-hate relationship with women.
1805
02:19:06,963 --> 02:19:13,010
They glorify it but at the same time completely
objectifying and slashing the girl in the nightgown.
1806
02:19:14,053 --> 02:19:16,138
So, there's something going on there.
1807
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:19,475
I don't know what it is.
What is it?
1808
02:19:20,601 --> 02:19:22,728
I love Jamie Lee Curtis in the original Halloween.
1809
02:19:23,312 --> 02:19:26,065
You think she's just a babysitter...
Oh, no.
1810
02:19:28,526 --> 02:19:33,531
She has a quality of both being tender and
strong at the same time and that's a very
1811
02:19:34,031 --> 02:19:35,449
attractive combination.
1812
02:19:36,117 --> 02:19:40,621
How she became iconic I think is that when
she survives, she's there to protect the young
1813
02:19:40,955 --> 02:19:45,501
ones that she's in charge of and she survives
trying to save other people too.
1814
02:19:46,252 --> 02:19:50,006
She was very vulnerable but still strong enough
to fight back.
1815
02:19:50,882 --> 02:19:56,596
She was a fighter and so that was also something to
aspire to. But I can sort of hook in to
1816
02:19:57,054 --> 02:20:02,351
the idea of like oh, yeah, I'm a fighter too and
I can stand up for myself and I can take care
1817
02:20:02,643 --> 02:20:04,687
of myself and I can be brave.
1818
02:20:05,521 --> 02:20:09,400
So, there's a lot of that in there that I
think is really cool for women and for everyone.
1819
02:20:09,901 --> 02:20:13,487
The beauty of being a woman in horror is you're
an action figure.
1820
02:20:13,946 --> 02:20:17,909
You're running, you're jumping, you're playing,
you're proactive, you're taking command of
1821
02:20:18,534 --> 02:20:24,206
plot situations and scenes that women in ordinary
movies don't get to do.
1822
02:20:24,665 --> 02:20:28,461
For as much as people like to look down on
say the Friday 13th movies when you really
1823
02:20:28,878 --> 02:20:34,425
look at it, Friday 2 was about Ginny and it
was about Amy Steel being smarter than every
1824
02:20:34,717 --> 02:20:35,885
other person at that camp.
1825
02:20:36,385 --> 02:20:38,596
And she knew how to get into Jason's head.
1826
02:20:39,180 --> 02:20:42,224
She knew how to defeat the monster so to speak.
1827
02:20:46,979 --> 02:20:50,149
Barbara Crampton, the queen of low-budget
horror throughout the '80s.
1828
02:20:50,524 --> 02:20:53,194
She just came across as someone that's like
really strong.
1829
02:20:54,028 --> 02:20:59,283
She goes from a traditional girlfriend role
in Re-Animator to the de-facto protagonist
1830
02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:03,663
of From Beyond. She becomes the seeker of
that story which is a pretty cool transition.
1831
02:21:04,038 --> 02:21:08,584
Pretty emblematic of what Barbara has done
with that legacy since which is pretty cool to see.
1832
02:21:14,090 --> 02:21:18,386
Somebody like Nancy Thompson who basically
open arms at the end of Nightmare on Elm Street
1833
02:21:18,678 --> 02:21:21,597
is like come get me Freddy, let's do this.
1834
02:21:25,267 --> 02:21:27,478
And it was really Heather Langenkamp's movie.
1835
02:21:27,895 --> 02:21:35,778
She was an amazing force in that movie and
that performance is really strong and one
1836
02:21:36,153 --> 02:21:40,157
of the best renditions of the final girl ever.
1837
02:21:43,744 --> 02:21:49,500
She creates all these traps and she plans
out how she's going to trap the killer.
1838
02:21:50,084 --> 02:21:54,171
It's like some fucked up Home Alone style
horror nightmare.
1839
02:21:54,839 --> 02:22:01,595
So, she decides to lay the booby traps around
her house using an army manual called Booby
1840
02:22:01,887 --> 02:22:03,973
Traps and Anti-Personel Devices.
1841
02:22:04,765 --> 02:22:06,934
There's something so childlike about it that
I love it.
1842
02:22:07,268 --> 02:22:08,102
It's effective.
1843
02:22:13,065 --> 02:22:16,652
And you see that now in conventions people
dressing up as Nancy and drawing power from her.
1844
02:22:17,278 --> 02:22:21,824
There's like a real serious threat of women
who have survived PTSD and have survived sexual
1845
02:22:22,116 --> 02:22:23,909
trauma and have gravitated to these heroes.
1846
02:22:24,535 --> 02:22:26,579
It makes perfect sense. It's amazing.
1847
02:22:27,079 --> 02:22:31,375
If you look at something like Hellraiser with
Kirsty, her whole family life is just
1848
02:22:31,792 --> 02:22:36,964
one big Shakespearean mess between Julia and
her Uncle Frank and her father.
1849
02:22:37,381 --> 02:22:41,594
But in the end it's her resilience that ends
up sending the Cenobites back.
1850
02:22:46,432 --> 02:22:50,144
Are you going to be the type that does the
wrong thing and makes the wrong decision
1851
02:22:50,728 --> 02:22:53,397
or are you going to buckle down and think it
through and be a leader?
1852
02:22:55,232 --> 02:22:58,944
And I think those are our heroes and our heroines
and that's who you remember.
1853
02:22:59,278 --> 02:23:03,616
You remember the final person or the final
girl or the final hero or the heroine.
1854
02:23:03,949 --> 02:23:08,120
That's the leader that made a struggle, came
through, but these are all just iconic
1855
02:23:08,496 --> 02:23:09,497
hero stories anyway.
1856
02:23:09,872 --> 02:23:11,499
This is just our new literature.
1857
02:23:12,958 --> 02:23:17,505
The '80s were about the people surviving the
monster and somehow or another that got twisted
1858
02:23:17,838 --> 02:23:20,966
around where the monsters the star and the
people were incidental.
1859
02:23:21,425 --> 02:23:24,678
And that's what the term final girl reared
its head and it makes me sound like I'm
1860
02:23:25,096 --> 02:23:29,183
100 years old but I said in my day we call that
the star of the movie.
1861
02:23:29,809 --> 02:23:33,729
It's almost like we had to qualify making
these women the protagonist of the movie by
1862
02:23:34,063 --> 02:23:37,191
saying well, we're adhering to this formula
and she's the final girl and she's a scream queen.
1863
02:23:37,691 --> 02:23:42,404
But really what you've got is a genre full
of women protagonists which is pretty cool.
1864
02:23:42,822 --> 02:23:47,618
So much so that when it's a guy like Jesse
in Elm Street 2 or Charlie
1865
02:23:48,035 --> 02:23:50,121
in Fright Night, it's almost an aberration.
1866
02:23:50,496 --> 02:23:52,790
Scream Queen, Final Girl, it's just fan shorthand.
1867
02:23:53,207 --> 02:23:54,708
It doesn't really mean anything to me.
1868
02:23:55,251 --> 02:23:56,418
My gender is specific.
1869
02:23:56,794 --> 02:23:57,419
I am a woman.
1870
02:23:57,878 --> 02:23:59,130
I love living my life as a woman.
1871
02:23:59,463 --> 02:24:05,970
I love living my life in horror films as a
woman because the decisions and the instincts
1872
02:24:06,595 --> 02:24:09,306
and the actions I take are predicated on my
gender
1873
02:24:09,974 --> 02:24:12,434
I don't act like a guy and I don't want to.
1874
02:24:12,852 --> 02:24:19,733
The fact that I'm physical, that I'm sexual,
that I'm an intellectual, that I'm spiritual,
1875
02:24:20,025 --> 02:24:25,906
all of those things are grounded in the fact
that I'm a woman so I don't necessarily want
1876
02:24:26,490 --> 02:24:30,828
equality of public perception or public acceptance.
1877
02:24:31,203 --> 02:24:38,252
When I think about the term final girl I wince
because it's still differentiating between
1878
02:24:38,711 --> 02:24:39,837
a final boy and a final girl.
1879
02:24:40,546 --> 02:24:44,758
We're going to be judged about how we fought
the monster and not because of the gender
1880
02:24:45,176 --> 02:24:46,760
that we were when we fought him.
1881
02:24:47,636 --> 02:24:53,809
Wes Craven was brave maybe to have a girl
be his lead but I don't think anybody would
1882
02:24:54,226 --> 02:24:56,145
give him any credit for it today.
1883
02:24:56,770 --> 02:24:59,690
Equal opportunity ass-kicking is what I'm
all for.
1884
02:25:00,691 --> 02:25:04,945
The openness of what gender means now is so
wonderful.
1885
02:25:05,946 --> 02:25:10,868
It is how fluid it is and how people don't
want to be identified by gender.
1886
02:25:11,202 --> 02:25:16,332
I'm so curious how this will play out in film
and the horror genre.
1887
02:25:16,916 --> 02:25:22,254
I look forward to seeing more transgender
more LGBTQ figures in horror and what they
1888
02:25:22,588 --> 02:25:27,343
will bring that will really bring an entirely
new dimension to horror movies.
1889
02:25:27,801 --> 02:25:29,303
That's what's going to be exciting.
1890
02:25:29,803 --> 02:25:30,846
I want to see that.
1891
02:25:50,741 --> 02:25:53,786
Well, we're going to shoot at the Beverly
Center and I went oh, this is going to be a
1892
02:25:54,078 --> 02:25:54,703
class act.
1893
02:25:55,246 --> 02:26:00,417
Chopping Mall is a movie with these robots in a
mall that are security bots.
1894
02:26:01,043 --> 02:26:05,005
The building gets struck by lightning and
it changes their algorithm and so they go
1895
02:26:05,631 --> 02:26:11,762
on a murderous rampage and there's a bunch
of teenagers that are in the mall.
1896
02:26:12,304 --> 02:26:16,475
They've broken into the one store and they're
all staying in there so they can drink and
1897
02:26:16,934 --> 02:26:17,810
have sex and whatnot.
1898
02:26:18,185 --> 02:26:20,938
They're then trapped in the store by the killbots.
1899
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:22,398
It was called Robot.
1900
02:26:22,898 --> 02:26:25,442
I remember us all standing around hearing
that it was going to be called Killbots
1901
02:26:25,776 --> 02:26:27,152
and we all went...
1902
02:26:28,112 --> 02:26:29,822
We didn't sign up to do Killbots.
1903
02:26:31,156 --> 02:26:32,908
Then they ran that title in it and didn't sell.
1904
02:26:33,325 --> 02:26:38,872
And when we heard it was Chopping Mall, I
think that we all just died inside I guess.
1905
02:26:40,708 --> 02:26:46,005
Chopping Mall makes you think oh, people are
chopped in a mall and that sounds really cool but
1906
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:47,631
nobody got chopped at all.
1907
02:26:48,007 --> 02:26:51,969
They got lasered by the robots but I guess
that's a moot point.
1908
02:26:52,678 --> 02:26:57,933
When we were all cast, we were friends in
a mall having a party sort of living the movie
1909
02:26:58,350 --> 02:26:59,393
that we were making.
1910
02:27:00,019 --> 02:27:01,145
They didn't shut down the mall.
1911
02:27:01,687 --> 02:27:03,230
We had to wait for the stores to close.
1912
02:27:03,772 --> 02:27:06,317
When everybody was out of there, we set up
really fast.
1913
02:27:06,650 --> 02:27:10,154
We shot until it was time for the stores to
reopen.
1914
02:27:12,031 --> 02:27:14,783
Doing a movie at night, how do you even do
that?
1915
02:27:15,075 --> 02:27:18,829
I've never stayed up like all night for a
month in a row.
1916
02:27:19,330 --> 02:27:20,831
How am I going to sleep during the day?
1917
02:27:21,123 --> 02:27:26,128
Suzee Slater's head had to explode from
being lasered by the robot.
1918
02:27:26,503 --> 02:27:29,048
That was a really cool kill.
1919
02:27:29,590 --> 02:27:30,883
If we want to get gleeful about kills.
1920
02:27:31,425 --> 02:27:33,510
My favorite kill is when I kill the killbot.
1921
02:27:41,977 --> 02:27:45,356
I definitely feel like I got the last laugh
in Chopping Mall.
1922
02:28:01,955 --> 02:28:04,375
The Toxic Avenger is basically a satire.
1923
02:28:04,750 --> 02:28:07,503
The movies that Michael Herz and I have made
it's all about the underdog.
1924
02:28:08,045 --> 02:28:13,133
We like comedy and we like social issues and
politics and we like naked people, men and
1925
02:28:13,550 --> 02:28:16,845
women of course, and we like mixing the genres.
1926
02:28:17,221 --> 02:28:19,348
So, The Toxic Avenger is not a horror film.
1927
02:28:19,765 --> 02:28:21,016
It has elements of horror.
1928
02:28:21,350 --> 02:28:24,311
It probably has the first full head crushing
scene in history.
1929
02:28:24,728 --> 02:28:28,607
The thirteen-year-old boy has his head crushed
by the wheel of an automobile.
1930
02:28:34,071 --> 02:28:38,450
The MPAA made us cut I think 2O minutes out
of the original Toxic Avenger.
1931
02:28:39,743 --> 02:28:43,580
The Toxic Avenger is a hideously deformed
creature of superhuman size and strength.
1932
02:28:43,956 --> 02:28:46,917
His weapon unfortunately is only a mop and
he can jump.
1933
02:28:47,376 --> 02:28:48,085
That's about it.
1934
02:28:48,419 --> 02:28:53,424
We thought that was amusing because the mainstream
movies of that time have all sorts of super-duper
1935
02:28:53,924 --> 02:28:58,679
weapons and sound effects and special effects
and we thought it would be funny just to have
1936
02:28:59,054 --> 02:28:59,680
it be a mop.
1937
02:29:00,139 --> 02:29:01,223
And the movie is an environmental movie.
1938
02:29:01,557 --> 02:29:02,891
So, what better weapon than a mop?
1939
02:29:04,518 --> 02:29:06,478
A guy wandered in here looking for a job.
1940
02:29:06,895 --> 02:29:08,397
I showed him the rough cut in the editing room.
1941
02:29:08,814 --> 02:29:11,442
He said you should call it, The First Super-Hero
from New Jersey.
1942
02:29:12,192 --> 02:29:13,026
A guy off the street.
1943
02:29:13,652 --> 02:29:15,612
Great idea. People loved it.
1944
02:29:35,174 --> 02:29:36,091
They're back.
1945
02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:39,261
It's almost like they're trying to capture
lightning in a bottle again but this time
1946
02:29:39,803 --> 02:29:44,391
it's the toy phone that has voices for Carol
Anne as the otherworldly Poltergeist forces
1947
02:29:44,725 --> 02:29:47,144
follow the Freeling family to Phoenix, Arizona.
1948
02:29:48,187 --> 02:29:52,274
Britt director Brian Gibson was trying to
make sense of this movie since Tobe Hooper
1949
02:29:52,649 --> 02:29:56,987
was out of the picture and Steven Spielberg
was focused on making more serious fare like
1950
02:29:57,279 --> 02:30:01,533
Empire of the Sun with a kiddy Christian Bale
and also probably wondering why the Academy
1951
02:30:02,075 --> 02:30:03,452
dissed him over The Color Purple.
1952
02:30:05,370 --> 02:30:09,541
This time they recruit Will Sampson as a Native
American shaman to show the white folks how
1953
02:30:09,875 --> 02:30:11,752
to triumph over cult creatures.
1954
02:30:13,045 --> 02:30:17,508
HR Giger designed two of the film's creatures
including the killer who knows what it is
1955
02:30:17,883 --> 02:30:21,011
that Steven barfs out after he swallows the
worm and gets possessed.
1956
02:30:24,515 --> 02:30:26,850
But don't we all get a little possessed when
we drink too much?
1957
02:30:27,309 --> 02:30:31,063
Poltergeist 2 definitely has its flaws but
it's worth checking out alone just because
1958
02:30:31,438 --> 02:30:33,106
of Julian Beck as Reverend Henry Kane.
1959
02:30:33,607 --> 02:30:36,527
He's so creepy with his little hat and sing-songy
voice.
1960
02:30:36,944 --> 02:30:38,654
You'll never forget that performance.
1961
02:30:46,662 --> 02:30:48,121
Next stop, Chicago.
1962
02:31:10,435 --> 02:31:16,567
Tony was probably the smartest actor that
I've ever met but he had a European art film
1963
02:31:16,942 --> 02:31:17,651
sensibility.
1964
02:31:18,068 --> 02:31:22,114
So, when they came back for Psycho 3, he insisted
on directing it.
1965
02:31:22,406 --> 02:31:24,074
Psycho 2 is a very respectful film.
1966
02:31:24,449 --> 02:31:26,493
It's sort of tiptoeing around a giant legacy.
1967
02:31:27,035 --> 02:31:28,745
Psycho 3 is crazy.
1968
02:31:29,329 --> 02:31:33,542
Psycho 3 is Anthony Perkins deciding that
he's not going to tiptoe around that legacy
1969
02:31:33,875 --> 02:31:35,669
anymore and he's going to go to 11 with it.
1970
02:31:36,295 --> 02:31:40,966
Where Psycho 2 is very sort of measured and
calm, Psycho 3 is colorful and garish and
1971
02:31:41,258 --> 02:31:43,510
weird and he bashes Jeff Fahey's
1972
02:31:43,844 --> 02:31:44,928
head in with a guitar.
1973
02:31:50,559 --> 02:31:55,314
It was sort of well-received at the time but I think
Psycho 3 is due for a massive reconsideration
1974
02:31:55,731 --> 02:32:00,235
because it's Anthony Perkins grappling with
this thing that he's had to live with for
1975
02:32:00,527 --> 02:32:05,198
20-some odd years at that point and decided
to own it which I think is a significant moment
1976
02:32:05,490 --> 02:32:06,158
in the genre.
1977
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:11,955
Psycho 2 and Psycho 3 are miles better than
the remake of Psycho which is I wouldn't say
1978
02:32:12,372 --> 02:32:15,584
an abomination but I think it's just one of
the most misguided ideas for a movie
1979
02:32:15,876 --> 02:32:16,960
I've ever heard of.
1980
02:32:17,336 --> 02:32:20,839
Not that it's terribly made or anything like
that but it's just such a non-movie.
1981
02:32:21,798 --> 02:32:23,008
It's like, why?
1982
02:32:23,300 --> 02:32:25,469
And somebody said well, it's because kids
won't watch black and white.
1983
02:32:26,219 --> 02:32:27,971
And you know what I say? Fuck em if they can't
1984
02:32:28,388 --> 02:32:31,558
watch black and white. You have to remake the
movie with other actors? That's ridiculous.
1985
02:32:44,905 --> 02:32:49,785
What happens when a movie is made completely
driven by cocaine?
1986
02:32:50,911 --> 02:32:55,415
Maximum Overdrive has Stephen King directing
from his Night Shift short story Trucks.
1987
02:32:55,874 --> 02:33:00,754
His one and only time behind the camera as
a director King has since said publicly that
1988
02:33:01,171 --> 02:33:03,674
he was coked out of his mind for the duration
of the shoot.
1989
02:33:04,132 --> 02:33:06,343
He didn't know what he was doing and it shows.
1990
02:33:08,428 --> 02:33:10,889
Still, there's lots to love about this over-the-top
movie.
1991
02:33:11,306 --> 02:33:15,560
And of course, Emilio Estevez coming off the
Brat Pack and seeing him at the forefront
1992
02:33:15,936 --> 02:33:21,024
of Maximum Overdrive like look, I know it's
not a great movie but boy is it fun.
1993
02:33:21,441 --> 02:33:25,696
A comet passes by bringing all machinery to
life with a mind to kill naturally.
1994
02:33:26,446 --> 02:33:32,244
You have coaches getting pelted with soda
cans and just ridiculous over-the-top moments.
1995
02:33:38,792 --> 02:33:42,462
It's also fun because the cast features a
pre-Simpsons Yeardley Smith.
1996
02:33:44,464 --> 02:33:48,677
If it's anything great that came out of this
movie it's that killer AC/ DC soundtrack.
1997
02:33:56,435 --> 02:33:58,270
I'm the biggest supporter of Maximum Overdrive.
1998
02:33:58,687 --> 02:34:04,443
People hated the movie but listen, I derive
pleasure from watching that film and as well
1999
02:34:04,943 --> 02:34:09,197
as a lot of other bad movies and I think as long as I
recognize those flaws and can admit that,
2000
02:34:09,489 --> 02:34:11,533
Just let me have my thing man, I like it.
2001
02:34:24,838 --> 02:34:30,343
Tommy Jarvis had his own kind of three picture
arc in the Friday the 13th franchise.
2002
02:34:30,635 --> 02:34:35,515
He was played by different actors. Friday 6
begins pretty fast.
2003
02:34:35,932 --> 02:34:38,101
You got Tommy Jarvis, you got his friend and
a pickup truck.
2004
02:34:38,393 --> 02:34:41,438
They're going to the grave site to go dig up
Jason and make sure he's dead and I'm like,
2005
02:34:41,813 --> 02:34:43,148
why would you do that man?
2006
02:34:43,440 --> 02:34:47,819
Jason gets a resurrected in a very Universal
monsters fashion with the bolt of lightning
2007
02:34:48,195 --> 02:34:49,279
and he becomes zombie Jason.
2008
02:34:49,696 --> 02:34:52,699
When Jason returns and there's all these kids
at the camp, I was like, oh my God, Jason's
2009
02:34:53,074 --> 02:34:54,409
going to kill all these kids.
2010
02:34:54,785 --> 02:34:59,122
But when Tommy finally faced Jason in the
lake of fire and then like he drops to
2011
02:34:59,414 --> 02:35:03,627
the bottom of lake I was like yeah man, you
saved the kids.
2012
02:35:04,044 --> 02:35:07,214
That's all that mattered to me, just save the
kids because I was about the same age as those
2013
02:35:07,506 --> 02:35:09,508
kids and I went to summer camp.
2014
02:35:09,925 --> 02:35:11,802
So, I didn't want Jason killing me.
2015
02:35:12,219 --> 02:35:15,138
And if I knew Tommy took care of Jason everything
was going to be okay.
2016
02:35:27,901 --> 02:35:32,656
So many performances in horror in the '80s
were slept on because horror was disreputable.
2017
02:35:33,406 --> 02:35:35,617
Seth Brundle is one of the great anti-heroes.
2018
02:35:35,992 --> 02:35:38,328
I mean he's a hero but he's his own worst enemy.
2019
02:35:38,829 --> 02:35:44,167
Seth Brundle's speech in The Fly about his insect
politics may be the pinnacle of the decade for me.
2020
02:35:44,501 --> 02:35:51,299
Insects don't have politics.
They're very brutal.
2021
02:35:52,342 --> 02:35:56,429
He's hero and villain and he's victim all-in-one.
2022
02:35:56,721 --> 02:36:00,392
But I think a horror protagonist that gets
really overlooked in the '80s is Veronica from
2023
02:36:00,684 --> 02:36:01,268
The Fly.
2024
02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:06,481
She goes through a very powerful arc of falling
in love of a breakup.
2025
02:36:06,773 --> 02:36:10,485
There's an abortion subplot in there which
is pretty hot button for the '80s and she's
2026
02:36:10,777 --> 02:36:13,029
essentially euthanizing her life partner at
the end of the film.
2027
02:36:13,488 --> 02:36:17,200
And her sobs at the end of that are maybe
one of the most real moments of '80s horror
2028
02:36:17,534 --> 02:36:18,159
I've ever seen.
2029
02:36:25,876 --> 02:36:29,045
She's one of the most complex and most
well-rounded women protagonists in the genre.
2030
02:36:29,379 --> 02:36:31,381
Cronenberg's always rife with allegory.
2031
02:36:31,673 --> 02:36:36,511
The Fly, he will tell you and I agree, it's
not about AIDS, it's about death and dying
2032
02:36:36,803 --> 02:36:40,974
and watching someone who you love become a
different person by degrees.
2033
02:36:41,516 --> 02:36:44,519
And whether that's about disease and aging
or whether that's just about a relationship
2034
02:36:45,020 --> 02:36:49,107
running its course, I find The Fly to be a
super powerful allegory.
2035
02:37:00,076 --> 02:37:05,165
I think what's interesting about Night of
the Creeps, it's Fred Dekker's attempt at
2036
02:37:05,665 --> 02:37:10,003
making a current slasher kind of monster movie
but he's still jamming some things together.
2037
02:37:10,378 --> 02:37:14,257
I mean it starts with aliens for crying out
loud that get into your brain so now you've
2038
02:37:14,674 --> 02:37:20,555
got a zombie movie basically started from
alien origins and Jason Lively running around
2039
02:37:20,847 --> 02:37:25,810
on prom night. It's coming of age, it's sex, it's
dressing up, it's staying out late but now
2040
02:37:26,227 --> 02:37:29,898
you got to fight zombie aliens, slither
monsters in your brain that have killed your
2041
02:37:30,231 --> 02:37:30,857
best friend.
2042
02:37:31,232 --> 02:37:32,901
It was just so bonkers and so '80s.
2043
02:37:33,610 --> 02:37:38,657
My personal favorite of any film that I've
done.
2044
02:37:39,532 --> 02:37:43,119
It's sort of like the Invasion of the Body
Snatchers only it isn't.
2045
02:37:43,662 --> 02:37:49,334
These little creeps, they look like slugs
and they shoot into your mouth when you open
2046
02:37:49,668 --> 02:37:57,217
your mouth to go ah, they're in and then they
eat you out inside and you're a zombie.
2047
02:37:57,759 --> 02:38:00,553
My job is to destroy them.
2048
02:38:04,641 --> 02:38:08,478
The girls are all waiting for their dates to arrive.
2049
02:38:08,853 --> 02:38:12,983
I walk to a window and I look out and I
say, well girls...
2050
02:38:13,817 --> 02:38:16,027
I've got good news and bad news girls.
2051
02:38:16,736 --> 02:38:18,154
The good news is your dates are here.
2052
02:38:18,738 --> 02:38:19,698
What's the bad news?
2053
02:38:20,657 --> 02:38:21,491
They're dead.
2054
02:38:22,409 --> 02:38:23,201
They're dead.
2055
02:38:23,743 --> 02:38:26,955
Anything that Tom Atkins says in that is probably
the best.
2056
02:38:27,455 --> 02:38:28,581
Creepy crawlies...
2057
02:38:29,791 --> 02:38:31,876
and a date for the formal.
2058
02:38:33,128 --> 02:38:34,546
This is classic, Spanky.
2059
02:38:35,088 --> 02:38:36,339
And of course, you got "thrill me."
2060
02:38:36,715 --> 02:38:38,133
So, that's just like what is that?
2061
02:38:39,634 --> 02:38:40,343
Thrill me.
2062
02:38:41,261 --> 02:38:41,761
Thrill me.
2063
02:38:42,721 --> 02:38:43,513
Thrill me.
2064
02:38:44,097 --> 02:38:44,806
Thrill me.
2065
02:38:45,598 --> 02:38:46,516
Thrill me.
2066
02:38:46,975 --> 02:38:49,936
That's an iconic statement that everybody
knows now that we can use at anytime that
2067
02:38:50,311 --> 02:38:51,354
you want to.
2068
02:38:51,938 --> 02:38:55,358
In the bathroom scene, there's a Monster Squad
easter egg.
2069
02:38:55,775 --> 02:38:59,195
On the back of the wall that was sort of I
guess the week that Fred had learned that
2070
02:38:59,612 --> 02:39:03,575
Monster Squad had got a green-light and so we
had his art department graffiti
2071
02:39:03,867 --> 02:39:05,785
Go Monster Squad on the back tile of that
bathroom.
2072
02:39:07,245 --> 02:39:09,914
We had the best time shooting that movie.
2073
02:39:10,665 --> 02:39:19,299
The biggest treat of all is an action figure
of Detective Ray Cameron with the shotgun
2074
02:39:19,758 --> 02:39:20,967
and a beer.
2075
02:39:21,843 --> 02:39:22,635
How about that?
2076
02:39:23,094 --> 02:39:25,013
Atkins - Man of action.
2077
02:39:40,653 --> 02:39:43,073
Tobe Hooper for me is a monumental figure.
2078
02:39:43,490 --> 02:39:48,495
He took risks as a filmmaker and he was making
a sequel to his original classic that was
2079
02:39:48,787 --> 02:39:49,579
not lost on me.
2080
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:52,373
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
2081
02:39:52,707 --> 02:39:57,712
It's just those three words just had such
power especially when combined.
2082
02:39:58,088 --> 02:40:03,426
But when I came out of Chainsaw, I was completely
dumbfounded. lt just completely blew my mind
2083
02:40:03,718 --> 02:40:09,557
and I realized that the cure for Chainsaw
was not to see it a hundred times and try
2084
02:40:09,849 --> 02:40:13,645
to dismiss it, but it was basically to join
the Sawyer family.
2085
02:40:15,772 --> 02:40:18,525
He had already been hired off of a little movie
2086
02:40:18,817 --> 02:40:21,528
he had made a parody called The Texas Chainsaw
Manicure.
2087
02:40:27,534 --> 02:40:32,539
A copy of it got to Tobe and Tobe hired Bill
off of that film.
2088
02:40:32,831 --> 02:40:36,543
And I was shocked that Chop-Top was a big
part.
2089
02:40:36,835 --> 02:40:41,548
Now the idea that Chainsaw 2 had a great sense
of humor to it, I think really took people
2090
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:42,924
by surprise.
2091
02:40:43,591 --> 02:40:49,222
One of my favorite scenes is the introduction
of Chop-Top and I come in to threaten Stretch,
2092
02:40:49,722 --> 02:40:51,182
Caroline Williams, the DJ.
2093
02:40:51,641 --> 02:40:56,563
She's back on the record vault getting terrorized
by Leatherface and I.G. Lou Perryman comes
2094
02:40:56,855 --> 02:41:01,818
in and l jump out of the record vault and
start pounding his head in with a claw hammer.
2095
02:41:02,443 --> 02:41:04,737
The hammer itself was foam rubber.
2096
02:41:05,196 --> 02:41:08,992
When Tobe would call action, I started pounding
on I.G.'s head.
2097
02:41:12,871 --> 02:41:17,417
And making up stuff like if I had a hammer
and a one and a two and a three
2098
02:41:17,876 --> 02:41:18,793
and just pounding away.
2099
02:41:19,085 --> 02:41:22,964
We've done about 12 takes and Tobe goes yeah,
yeah, that was great that was great.
2100
02:41:23,715 --> 02:41:25,967
Let's just do one more take.
2101
02:41:26,301 --> 02:41:29,387
I looked at Tobe and I said Tobe, "Am I doing
something wrong?"
2102
02:41:29,846 --> 02:41:33,474
And he looked at me and he goes oh, hell no,
Bill, I'm just having fun watching you.
2103
02:41:34,809 --> 02:41:39,439
Undoubtedly the signature moment in the whole
movie is the chainsaw between my legs.
2104
02:41:39,898 --> 02:41:45,111
Considered to be at the time an anti-feminist
moment, to the contrary I consider it to be
2105
02:41:45,570 --> 02:41:46,738
the quintessential feminist moment.
2106
02:41:47,405 --> 02:41:51,492
This is a woman who is being almost raped
with a chainsaw with an implement.
2107
02:41:51,784 --> 02:41:56,372
She manages to take that moment in hand and
turn it as much to her advantage as she can
2108
02:41:56,873 --> 02:41:58,208
saving her own life.
2109
02:41:58,750 --> 02:42:00,668
If she's killed in that moment the movie is over.
2110
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:01,961
What does she do?
2111
02:42:02,420 --> 02:42:03,630
She's is going to go after him.
2112
02:42:04,297 --> 02:42:10,261
It sort of launches the rest of the action
for the rest of the film and that crazy inverted
2113
02:42:10,803 --> 02:42:14,390
bloody, nutty trip through Oz.
2114
02:42:14,807 --> 02:42:16,809
It's one of the moments I'm proudest of.
2115
02:42:17,268 --> 02:42:21,439
At the time we shot it all I could think is
I don't want my mother to see this movie.
2116
02:42:31,950 --> 02:42:37,997
In From Beyond, Stuart wanted to prove that it
was going to be a more serious movie.
2117
02:42:38,665 --> 02:42:44,796
The humor element of Re-Animator perhaps took
him a little bit by surprise so he wanted
2118
02:42:45,338 --> 02:42:51,094
to make sure that the tone of the next movie
didn't replicate that.
2119
02:42:51,761 --> 02:42:57,767
I remember getting that note a lot that this
is serious business this movie.
2120
02:42:59,352 --> 02:43:01,145
It's a very cinematic idea.
2121
02:43:01,521 --> 02:43:04,190
The idea that you can't trust your five senses.
2122
02:43:04,607 --> 02:43:07,819
That our senses are so limited, we're not
even aware of all this stuff.
2123
02:43:08,236 --> 02:43:11,823
There's these other dimensions and things
that are around us all the time.
2124
02:43:12,282 --> 02:43:14,242
It's a really great concept.
2125
02:43:15,034 --> 02:43:19,747
Lovecraft, he was a hypochondriac and the idea
of these invisible things that are in the
2126
02:43:20,039 --> 02:43:21,791
air that can kill you.
2127
02:43:24,085 --> 02:43:27,672
In From Beyond, Barbara plays the mad scientist
essentially.
2128
02:43:31,634 --> 02:43:34,762
And Jeffrey Combs is the victim in a way From
Beyond reversed the roles that they played
2129
02:43:35,054 --> 02:43:36,014
in Re-Animator.
2130
02:43:37,181 --> 02:43:45,106
I was able to do a lot in that characterization in the
space of one movie because of the Resonator
2131
02:43:45,523 --> 02:43:51,612
I was able to get in touch with my deep urgings
and repressed feelings.
2132
02:43:51,988 --> 02:44:00,121
There's certainly more sadomasochistic kinky
kind of - that the whole movie is about stimulating
2133
02:44:00,538 --> 02:44:02,915
the people's sexuality.
2134
02:44:03,333 --> 02:44:06,586
All of that pent-up comes roaring out.
2135
02:44:07,253 --> 02:44:10,214
Barbara Crampton used to say and I used to
say I don't understand the expression
2136
02:44:10,673 --> 02:44:15,803
less is more and I used to say, I think it should
be more is more and she said no, Stuart with you
2137
02:44:16,095 --> 02:44:17,764
it's more is not enough.
2138
02:44:18,097 --> 02:44:25,480
Look at Jeffrey Combs coming out of Pretorius's
blobby figure and trying to save Katherine
2139
02:44:25,980 --> 02:44:31,527
McMichaels and then being absorbed by the
monster and it was all this gooey slime.
2140
02:44:31,986 --> 02:44:37,909
I had it all over me, Jeffrey had it all over
him,Ted Sorel as the monster had it on him
2141
02:44:38,493 --> 02:44:41,746
and it was just this grotesque disgusting mass.
2142
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:48,044
And at one point the monster was like over
my head and trying to absorb me and suck me
2143
02:44:48,419 --> 02:44:52,215
inside and it was a dirty business I got to say.
2144
02:44:52,590 --> 02:45:01,099
I never felt so ugly or hideous like Quasimodo
in this makeup and you're in it all day.
2145
02:45:01,641 --> 02:45:06,270
Crawford has the pineal gland sticking out
of his forehead.
2146
02:45:06,646 --> 02:45:11,984
Stuart used to say, well it's a red asparagus spear.
2147
02:45:12,360 --> 02:45:16,072
No, it's a dog dick, that's what it is. It's a dog dick.
2148
02:45:19,325 --> 02:45:21,411
Each movie carries its own signature.
2149
02:45:21,828 --> 02:45:26,707
It's the sounds that begin to intrude on the
silence and on the darkness that create the
2150
02:45:27,125 --> 02:45:29,419
biggest element of fear in a horror film.
2151
02:45:30,002 --> 02:45:33,965
It builds the sense of anticipation that something
is about to happen.
2152
02:45:34,340 --> 02:45:39,053
Sound design is really what gives the movie
that kind of creepy feel.
2153
02:45:39,345 --> 02:45:45,101
For instance, just that image of Freddy in A
Nightmare on Elm Street 1 walking down the alley.
2154
02:45:45,435 --> 02:45:49,439
The knives against the wall and it just like
goes through you.
2155
02:45:52,692 --> 02:45:57,989
That's what creates really memorable lasting
memories of movies.
2156
02:45:58,281 --> 02:45:59,198
It's not just the image.
2157
02:45:59,866 --> 02:46:02,368
It's like a bass player in a band if he does
it right you never notice him but if he does it
2158
02:46:02,785 --> 02:46:04,454
wrong, you're like mad at them the whole time.
2159
02:46:05,079 --> 02:46:06,789
So, I think the sound design is the same way.
2160
02:46:07,081 --> 02:46:10,835
It's supporting this story and so you get
lost in the story maybe you don't really notice
2161
02:46:11,127 --> 02:46:12,128
the sound design.
2162
02:46:13,838 --> 02:46:17,091
We talk about the point of view camera in
Friday the 13th.
2163
02:46:17,467 --> 02:46:20,970
One of the things that makes that really work
is that there was a sound that went with that
2164
02:46:21,262 --> 02:46:22,346
point of view.
2165
02:46:26,559 --> 02:46:33,024
Every time you were around Jason that sound
would be there it'd be in the fabric of the music.
2166
02:46:39,238 --> 02:46:44,035
If you watch Friday the 13th or any movie
without sound, it wouldn't be that scary
2167
02:46:44,577 --> 02:46:48,164
but oh boy you put that music in, it's everything.
2168
02:46:56,714 --> 02:47:02,553
Our first screening of Friday the 13th which
was pretty much close to the final cut seemed
2169
02:47:02,970 --> 02:47:07,058
endless and so long and tedious because nothing
happens
2170
02:47:07,725 --> 02:47:12,271
Cut to a month later and we had laid in the
sound, we'd mix the whole thing and it became
2171
02:47:12,605 --> 02:47:14,649
exciting... same footage.
2172
02:47:15,233 --> 02:47:19,987
But somehow or other your emotions get involved
because the music goes straight to your heart,
2173
02:47:20,279 --> 02:47:24,283
straight to your guts and it just, it tells
you how you're supposed to feel and where
2174
02:47:24,659 --> 02:47:27,453
you're going and whether you can relax, or be
afraid or whatever.
2175
02:47:32,959 --> 02:47:37,463
That's the vital, vital element of a very
good score.
2176
02:47:38,631 --> 02:47:45,555
A creepy scene can be so much better with very
cool music and Harry Manfredini is a genius.
2177
02:47:46,222 --> 02:47:47,765
The music delivers the drama.
2178
02:47:48,182 --> 02:47:52,520
Every film has tension, chase, kill.
2179
02:47:53,271 --> 02:47:57,149
Your job as a film composer in general you
have to deliver the story.
2180
02:47:57,441 --> 02:48:02,238
Whether it's a scare or a laugh, a kill or
someone crying.
2181
02:48:02,697 --> 02:48:08,494
Is it a better scare if it just jumps out
at you or is it a better scare if I'm really
2182
02:48:08,911 --> 02:48:09,579
leading to it?
2183
02:48:10,037 --> 02:48:15,167
Those are actual mechanical compositional
things that you deal with.
2184
02:48:16,669 --> 02:48:22,216
If you've already got the audience at a seven
like they're really agitated and they're really
2185
02:48:22,675 --> 02:48:28,264
nervous, the biggest hit you're going to get
is a three because you can only go to ten.
2186
02:48:28,848 --> 02:48:37,773
But if you pull the music out and you let
the audience calm down then you hit,
2187
02:48:38,190 --> 02:48:44,322
then you've got a chance of getting a seven on
the Richter scale of jump, ya know?
2188
02:48:49,285 --> 02:48:52,955
I think Harry doesn't get enough credit for his
discofied Friday the 13th Part 3 score.
2189
02:49:01,088 --> 02:49:04,342
Well, the piece of horror music I'll always remember
was John Carpenter's opening theme
2190
02:49:04,759 --> 02:49:09,263
from Halloween because I remember sitting
in that theater and the lights go down and
2191
02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:13,059
that music comes on with that pumpkin on the
side and that scared me.
2192
02:49:13,351 --> 02:49:14,935
Just the music got me frightened.
2193
02:49:19,982 --> 02:49:25,237
That was my first encounter with music that
really set a mood and got me creeped out before
2194
02:49:25,529 --> 02:49:26,322
the movie even began.
2195
02:49:26,906 --> 02:49:31,452
Well, I don't know if John invented using the
synthesizer for horror or something like that
2196
02:49:31,911 --> 02:49:34,955
but I mean he certainly capitalized on it.
2197
02:49:35,414 --> 02:49:40,294
We were both in a rock-and-roll group coming
out of film school so I know his background,
2198
02:49:40,586 --> 02:49:45,091
his father was a musician and he grew up knowing
how to play the piano, the guitar, the bass
2199
02:49:45,383 --> 02:49:46,342
and all kinds of things.
2200
02:49:46,759 --> 02:49:48,219
So, he's very accomplished.
2201
02:49:48,511 --> 02:49:52,515
He said he wrote that, the score to Halloween
for instance I think in an afternoon.
2202
02:49:52,932 --> 02:49:58,354
He just had an idea and this 4/5
time was the clever way of approaching it.
2203
02:50:02,400 --> 02:50:07,571
If you have that skill you can think in
pre-production about the music, you're thinking of
2204
02:50:07,863 --> 02:50:08,698
it when you're shooting.
2205
02:50:09,073 --> 02:50:12,159
The score then becomes a part of the life
of the movie to you, I think.
2206
02:50:12,451 --> 02:50:14,328
It started out as economics.
2207
02:50:14,912 --> 02:50:19,166
When you have a little tiny budget, you don't
have a budget for a big-time composer and
2208
02:50:19,667 --> 02:50:20,710
an orchestra.
2209
02:50:21,085 --> 02:50:24,797
You have to do it on a synthesizer and that,
I could do it myself.
2210
02:50:25,256 --> 02:50:30,261
So, it started in Halloween and then it became
a creative choice after a while.
2211
02:50:30,928 --> 02:50:35,641
Although, I worked with Ennio Morricone on
The Thing and he was just a brilliant composer.
2212
02:50:36,350 --> 02:50:41,230
What they ended up with was a very
Carpenteresque score that is very minimalist and
2213
02:50:41,647 --> 02:50:47,862
it's about the last thing you would have expected
from the maestro Ennio Morricone and it works.
2214
02:50:55,327 --> 02:50:56,746
That's some spot-on stuff.
2215
02:50:57,163 --> 02:51:03,127
If you've seen the movie and I play you that
opening, it just takes you someplace.
2216
02:51:03,419 --> 02:51:08,883
You're transported into this world that you
remember from that experience.
2217
02:51:09,425 --> 02:51:13,262
And it just builds that feeling of dread, the same
thing in Jaws.
2218
02:51:17,641 --> 02:51:19,435
They know how to get you.
2219
02:51:20,269 --> 02:51:25,316
After all this time I'm still moved by those
different elements of craft.
2220
02:51:25,733 --> 02:51:32,364
Sound design and in composition, the differences
that makes in your movie-going experience.
2221
02:51:32,782 --> 02:51:35,451
I really got into soundtrack collecting in the '80s.
2222
02:51:36,368 --> 02:51:40,289
Probably why I didn't get into pop music as
much because I was collecting soundtracks
2223
02:51:40,706 --> 02:51:42,166
and listening to a lot of that.
2224
02:51:43,167 --> 02:51:47,755
The Shining soundtrack has a snowed-in ambience
and you can't get out.
2225
02:51:48,172 --> 02:51:53,093
It kind of rolls over you and your captured
within the sound of the movie.
2226
02:51:53,761 --> 02:51:59,934
Haunting, very dark, it's a sound-scape throughout
the whole movie and I think the movie in itself
2227
02:52:00,309 --> 02:52:01,811
is also very cold.
2228
02:52:02,436 --> 02:52:04,522
They reinforce each other very well.
2229
02:52:12,988 --> 02:52:13,739
Super effective.
2230
02:52:14,114 --> 02:52:18,369
I think my favorite soundtrack that doesn't get
brought up a lot is Halloween 3.
2231
02:52:18,869 --> 02:52:22,623
I'm not talking about the little jingle on
the TV, I mean like the score that's in it.
2232
02:52:23,082 --> 02:52:26,544
It's one of the best John Carpenter scores
in my opinion.
2233
02:52:32,925 --> 02:52:35,886
Music is very important to horror and very easy to
get wrong in horror.
2234
02:52:36,345 --> 02:52:40,766
There's films that we watch that have just
been carpeted with stock music and you can
2235
02:52:41,183 --> 02:52:45,646
tell and there's music that has been more
carefully curated for a film and when you're
2236
02:52:46,021 --> 02:52:49,149
in the hands of say Howard Shore
with Cronenberg stuff.
2237
02:52:57,074 --> 02:52:58,826
That's an unexpected union that really works.
2238
02:52:59,159 --> 02:53:01,412
Howard Shore goes very operatic with
Cronenberg's scores
2239
02:53:01,954 --> 02:53:04,248
which you wouldn't think would be the case with
some of these films.
2240
02:53:04,540 --> 02:53:10,254
Every horror picture is different. There's the essence
of it, certain chord structures that appear
2241
02:53:10,546 --> 02:53:15,092
in all of them and many of them come from our
friend Bernard Herrmann.
2242
02:53:15,718 --> 02:53:21,765
I can go through film after film and tell
you how much he's affected the way music works.
2243
02:53:22,141 --> 02:53:25,519
So, when someone says to me that sounds like
Bernard Herrmann, I go thanks.
2244
02:53:26,061 --> 02:53:31,400
In Re-Animator when it opens with that kind
of sort of jaunty for want of a better word
2245
02:53:31,817 --> 02:53:34,904
rephrasing of Bernard Herrmann's Psycho theme.
2246
02:53:46,457 --> 02:53:50,502
I know a lot of fans have criticized Richard
Band for ripping off Psycho but it was always
2247
02:53:50,794 --> 02:53:52,046
intended as a homage.
2248
02:53:52,546 --> 02:53:55,925
There's supposed to be a credit at the end saying
with apologies to Bernard Herrmann or something
2249
02:53:56,342 --> 02:53:56,967
like that.
2250
02:53:57,384 --> 02:54:01,096
But that was another one where that music
comes up and right away I could kind of tell
2251
02:54:01,513 --> 02:54:05,976
that this movie was going to have kind of
a satirical kind of anarchic take on horror.
2252
02:54:06,435 --> 02:54:08,020
Just the way it used that music.
2253
02:54:08,604 --> 02:54:12,983
Bernstein's score for A Nightmare on Elm Street
is mostly electronic.
2254
02:54:13,442 --> 02:54:19,949
It sounds very basic but it's a theme that
sticks to your mind.
2255
02:54:27,790 --> 02:54:33,837
Simplicity and repetition is a great formula
when you don't overdo it of course.
2256
02:54:34,380 --> 02:54:39,635
I also really like some of this smaller super
low budget soundtracks.
2257
02:54:40,177 --> 02:54:45,599
So, The Slumber Party Massacre for instance,
the entire soundtrack was made on a thirty-dollar
2258
02:54:46,016 --> 02:54:52,022
Casio keyboard and three crystal glasses that
they would just sort of ping.
2259
02:54:59,571 --> 02:55:00,572
It cost nothing to make.
2260
02:55:00,990 --> 02:55:04,451
I don't think Giorgio Moroder is sitting here
thinking about let me make an '80s synth horror
2261
02:55:04,743 --> 02:55:09,873
score but in congress with David Bowie he makes
maybe one of the quintessential synths driven '80s
2262
02:55:10,290 --> 02:55:11,542
horror scores with Cat People.
2263
02:55:11,959 --> 02:55:15,212
It sticks in your mind and lingers in the
memory in a way that a more traditional horror
2264
02:55:15,629 --> 02:55:16,588
score would not.
2265
02:55:24,138 --> 02:55:28,475
It was almost like a musical version of passing
the torch.
2266
02:55:29,101 --> 02:55:35,315
Going from analog to digital, going from the
past to the '80s where everything was expanding
2267
02:55:35,607 --> 02:55:41,071
and that fingerprint, I think is on all of
those '80s movies.
2268
02:55:41,572 --> 02:55:48,662
The Day of the Dead score is just one of those
really haunting electronic scores.
2269
02:55:49,079 --> 02:55:53,000
Now at first when you listen to you think
is quite simple but there's actually
2270
02:55:53,459 --> 02:55:57,629
quite a lot of layers going on underneath that
main refrain.
2271
02:56:05,387 --> 02:56:09,683
It's got a very clinical feel Day of the Dead
and I think the music adds to that because
2272
02:56:09,975 --> 02:56:16,565
it's very stark kind of synth work and it
makes it almost more alienating like as the
2273
02:56:16,857 --> 02:56:20,611
movie if that had like an orchestral score for
instance, the whole feel of the film would
2274
02:56:20,986 --> 02:56:21,904
have been thrown off.
2275
02:56:22,654 --> 02:56:28,035
As far as the soundtrack of Hellrasier goes, it is to
me by a distance the best horror
2276
02:56:28,368 --> 02:56:29,620
score of the decade.
2277
02:56:30,204 --> 02:56:33,916
It's beautiful, it's monumental, it's a requiem
mass.
2278
02:56:41,799 --> 02:56:43,258
Magnificent.
2279
02:56:43,759 --> 02:56:49,640
I have no idea why heavy metal was so prevalent
in 1980s horror movies.
2280
02:56:50,182 --> 02:56:57,106
I mean there was a glut of movies Slaughterhouse
Rock and Trick-or-Treat, they were based on
2281
02:56:57,523 --> 02:56:59,149
heavy metal characters and bands.
2282
02:56:59,817 --> 02:57:03,445
And then every sort of hair metal band in
America decided that they had to get a song
2283
02:57:03,862 --> 02:57:05,489
on a horror movie.
2284
02:57:05,781 --> 02:57:11,745
Rock and horror, they live so closely together.
2285
02:57:12,246 --> 02:57:17,876
For all its flaws the soundtrack to Trick-or-Treat
is fucking amazing and I will fight anybody
2286
02:57:18,252 --> 02:57:19,962
who says differently man.
2287
02:57:27,219 --> 02:57:30,264
All of those songs are insanely catchy and
really, really good.
2288
02:57:30,806 --> 02:57:35,018
Whether there was Bauhaus's Night of the Demons,
Tangerine Dream and The Keep
2289
02:57:35,477 --> 02:57:38,272
The Lost Boys had such a great soundtrack to it.
2290
02:57:38,647 --> 02:57:43,777
Dokken in Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Alice
Cooper in Friday the 13th Part 6.
2291
02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:46,905
These were speaking to the times.
2292
02:57:47,364 --> 02:57:50,826
They're speaking to the punk rock kids, they
were speaking to the new wave kids, they
2293
02:57:51,201 --> 02:57:54,663
were speaking to the pure kids that were growing
up on classic rock like I did.
2294
02:57:55,122 --> 02:57:57,583
It became the soundtrack to your own
life growing up.
2295
02:58:16,143 --> 02:58:19,646
The third Nightmare on Elm Street film Dream
Warriors has Heather Langenkamp returning
2296
02:58:19,938 --> 02:58:23,317
as Nancy Thompson to assemble a bunch of
dream warriors.
2297
02:58:23,901 --> 02:58:27,654
Kids who are in a mental institute who battle
Freddy Krueger in their dream with their dream
2298
02:58:27,946 --> 02:58:28,697
powers.
2299
02:58:32,784 --> 02:58:36,079
I feel like this is the Nightmare movie that
everyone thinks of when they think of the
2300
02:58:36,371 --> 02:58:40,709
series because the first one's a classic but
this one has all the fun and games of people
2301
02:58:41,001 --> 02:58:43,170
engaging with Freddy in their dreams and
fighting him.
2302
02:58:43,795 --> 02:58:46,757
The Dream Warriors were collectively all pretty
awesome.
2303
02:58:47,966 --> 02:58:54,681
And I played the role of Kincaid, the first black in A
Nightmare on Elm Street to kick Freddy's ass.
2304
02:58:56,350 --> 02:59:01,939
Kincaid represented the minorities, not just African
Americans but he represented the minorities
2305
02:59:02,397 --> 02:59:05,400
all over the world and he was a hero.
2306
02:59:09,988 --> 02:59:15,410
Heather and Robert Englund was like big sister
and big brother to all of us.
2307
02:59:15,911 --> 02:59:22,334
She was a connecting dot to the Nightmare
on Elm Street movies that was needed.
2308
02:59:23,001 --> 02:59:26,588
It's got so many standout special effects
in it and one of my favorites is the giant
2309
02:59:26,880 --> 02:59:30,634
worm with Freddy's head especially because
that's when he first sees Nancy Thompson again.
2310
02:59:36,181 --> 02:59:37,391
We had three units shooting.
2311
02:59:37,975 --> 02:59:41,561
Two were for the principal actors with two
cameras. Chuck Russell the director would run
2312
02:59:41,979 --> 02:59:43,313
back and forth between each set.
2313
02:59:43,981 --> 02:59:47,818
And the third unit was specifically just for
special effects.
2314
02:59:49,361 --> 02:59:53,115
Kevin Yagher did Robert's makeup on the second
and the third one.
2315
02:59:53,740 --> 02:59:58,787
Rodney Eastman in Nightmare on Elm Street
3 he's stuck to a false bed with a false chest and
2316
02:59:59,329 --> 03:00:02,958
Bob Kurtzman and I had to rig all the
letters to say come and get me bitch and that
2317
03:00:03,458 --> 03:00:05,669
took hours and hours and hours.
2318
03:00:08,380 --> 03:00:10,173
There was a lot of creative killings.
2319
03:00:10,590 --> 03:00:18,640
My absolutely favorite scene was when Freddy
put Jennifer's head through the television
2320
03:00:19,016 --> 03:00:21,310
and said, "Welcome to prime-time bitch."
2321
03:00:26,148 --> 03:00:31,153
This is also the movie where the quippy almost
fun Freddy Krueger comes into his own.
2322
03:00:35,365 --> 03:00:37,367
The brilliance of a lot of it was Robert.
2323
03:00:37,993 --> 03:00:40,412
Robert really came up with a lot of those lines.
2324
03:00:41,163 --> 03:00:42,873
Robert Englund was the boogey man.
2325
03:00:43,165 --> 03:00:49,338
He was the Mummy, he was Dracula, he was all
of them because he could be in your dream.
2326
03:00:49,963 --> 03:00:52,591
My favorite Kincaid line was...
2327
03:00:53,091 --> 03:00:55,761
Let's go kick the motherfucker's ass all over
dreamland.
2328
03:00:57,137 --> 03:01:00,932
Wes Craven had his own style and he made sure
2329
03:01:01,224 --> 03:01:06,938
that an African American was the first to
survive a horror film and return to a sequel.
2330
03:01:11,401 --> 03:01:13,236
He had a great influence on horror.
2331
03:01:13,653 --> 03:01:15,489
Now we don't get killed.
2332
03:01:26,500 --> 03:01:28,085
I've always been kind of afraid of dolls.
2333
03:01:28,877 --> 03:01:32,923
I remember when I was a little kid somebody
brought a ventriloquist dummy to my house
2334
03:01:33,465 --> 03:01:38,595
and took him out of a suitcase and I was like
out of that room in a second and a half.
2335
03:01:39,054 --> 03:01:42,933
The thing I've discovered with dolls was of
all the movies that I've done a lot of people
2336
03:01:43,225 --> 03:01:44,226
consider it the scariest.
2337
03:01:44,893 --> 03:01:47,646
Dolls certainly was a poster before it was
a movie.
2338
03:01:48,105 --> 03:01:51,024
The little female doll that's holding her
own eyes.
2339
03:01:51,316 --> 03:01:53,527
That's just wrong.
2340
03:01:53,985 --> 03:01:58,615
And we made sure that we shot that scene because
of the poster.
2341
03:02:02,911 --> 03:02:04,955
I was not expecting to make that movie at all.
2342
03:02:05,497 --> 03:02:09,000
I was working on From Beyond and had a meeting
with Charlie Band and he said we'd like you
2343
03:02:09,292 --> 03:02:11,128
to make another movie using the same sets.
2344
03:02:11,628 --> 03:02:16,842
And he tossed me a script for what was called
”The Doll”originally by Ed Naha.
2345
03:02:17,384 --> 03:02:25,100
Stuart's idea was to do it all practically and to do
regular nice dolls but not scary dolls.
2346
03:02:25,559 --> 03:02:28,019
And he said well, it's what they do
2347
03:02:28,395 --> 03:02:29,312
that's scary.
2348
03:02:29,938 --> 03:02:32,649
You had literally hundreds of dolls coming
to life in this movie.
2349
03:02:33,066 --> 03:02:33,984
An army of dolls.
2350
03:02:34,276 --> 03:02:35,152
It wasn't just one doll.
2351
03:02:35,527 --> 03:02:36,653
It wasn't just like Chucky.
2352
03:02:37,154 --> 03:02:41,450
That turned out to be major undertaking
and we used to just about every technique
2353
03:02:41,825 --> 03:02:42,742
we could.
2354
03:02:43,034 --> 03:02:47,414
We used puppets, we used mechanical dolls and
we got Dave Allen to do stop motion for the
2355
03:02:47,747 --> 03:02:54,337
scenes where we couldn't get it done any other
way. It ended up taking an extra year to make
2356
03:02:54,713 --> 03:02:55,464
that movie.
2357
03:02:55,922 --> 03:02:58,967
It came out after From Beyond because the
effects were so difficult.
2358
03:03:03,597 --> 03:03:08,643
Well, the big scene in Dolls is the one where
the evil stepmother is killed by the dolls.
2359
03:03:09,186 --> 03:03:13,356
That's the first time you really see the dolls
in action and that was my wife Carolyn played
2360
03:03:13,815 --> 03:03:14,774
that part.
2361
03:03:17,944 --> 03:03:20,947
My own kids came to the set when I was working
on that movie.
2362
03:03:21,323 --> 03:03:26,369
The idea that I was taking their toys, their
dolls and turning them into killing machines
2363
03:03:26,786 --> 03:03:28,288
did not sit well with them at all.
2364
03:03:28,914 --> 03:03:30,832
There is one scene in particular.
2365
03:03:31,124 --> 03:03:36,087
The characters hear a rustling in the woods
and it's a teddy bear.
2366
03:03:36,546 --> 03:03:42,552
It's a kind of goofy teddy bear comes up out of
the woods and the character is like no, not
2367
03:03:42,969 --> 03:03:43,637
that.
2368
03:03:44,095 --> 03:03:50,936
Then the teddy bear like transforms kind of
into a real bear and devours them.
2369
03:03:53,605 --> 03:03:56,233
It kind of sums up the appeal of what
that movie is.
2370
03:04:04,449 --> 03:04:09,037
Evil Dead 2 was a blast from the minute that
we landed in North Carolina to the minute
2371
03:04:09,329 --> 03:04:10,080
that we left.
2372
03:04:10,622 --> 03:04:16,002
Working with Sam Raimi was just a complete
experience that I'll never forget.
2373
03:04:16,294 --> 03:04:22,050
He was so imaginative, so funny. So much of
what he loves and what he does is based on
2374
03:04:22,467 --> 03:04:23,510
the comedy.
2375
03:04:23,927 --> 03:04:26,179
If you look at the original Evil Dead it's
pretty terrifying.
2376
03:04:26,596 --> 03:04:31,434
I think when we did Evil Dead 2 a lot of us were
assuming it was going to be as relentless as the
2377
03:04:31,810 --> 03:04:37,190
first movie just a lot better special-effects
makeup and Sam was a much more seasoned
2378
03:04:37,649 --> 03:04:38,567
director at that point.
2379
03:04:39,401 --> 03:04:44,197
He was really specific which helped me a lot
because there was no doubt in my mind what
2380
03:04:44,489 --> 03:04:46,199
I had to do for each shot.
2381
03:04:46,741 --> 03:04:49,077
He had the whole script planned out to a T.
2382
03:04:52,914 --> 03:04:55,041
I remember we got the draft of the script.
2383
03:04:55,333 --> 03:05:00,130
There was a rewrite and it's the scene where
Linda's head is in the vice in the tool shed
2384
03:05:01,131 --> 03:05:05,343
and the door flies open and Linda's headless
corpse comes in with the chainsaw over it's head.
2385
03:05:05,802 --> 03:05:09,764
And I was like this is the most terrifying
thing I've ever read. Because we shot that
2386
03:05:10,181 --> 03:05:11,349
early in the schedule,
2387
03:05:11,975 --> 03:05:16,646
I really hadn't at that point really understood
Sam's sense of humor.
2388
03:05:17,063 --> 03:05:20,233
The fact that every time blood would spray
it wasn't like you would never use just a
2389
03:05:20,692 --> 03:05:21,735
little syringe of blood.
2390
03:05:22,152 --> 03:05:24,404
You would use like a fire extinguisher.
2391
03:05:27,282 --> 03:05:31,953
I had like a couple of big trucks outside
the stage with hundreds and hundreds of gallons
2392
03:05:32,287 --> 03:05:33,288
of colored liquid.
2393
03:05:33,913 --> 03:05:35,206
Let 'er rip boys.
2394
03:05:41,338 --> 03:05:45,133
It must have been thousands of gallons and
Bruce was down there, there was no dummy,
2395
03:05:45,550 --> 03:05:46,468
there was no stuntman.
2396
03:05:46,801 --> 03:05:48,136
Very physical role.
2397
03:05:49,262 --> 03:05:52,807
Bruce Campbell was game for damn near anything
in fact.
2398
03:05:53,391 --> 03:05:56,144
We're shooting the scene where he's smashing
himself with the plates and he ends up by
2399
03:05:56,436 --> 03:05:59,022
flipping himself completely and that was all him.
2400
03:05:59,314 --> 03:06:00,815
That was not a stunt person.
2401
03:06:01,274 --> 03:06:06,112
He was up for anything and he did his own
makeup for the cuts and all that, that he wore
2402
03:06:06,404 --> 03:06:07,197
for most of the movie.
2403
03:06:07,572 --> 03:06:08,615
That was his own makeup.
2404
03:06:09,240 --> 03:06:14,079
The first one he was just kind of this hapless
guy just trying to survive any way he could
2405
03:06:14,537 --> 03:06:18,917
and then he became this very active and also
snarky hero in Evil Dead 2 and then
2406
03:06:19,292 --> 03:06:20,669
Army of Darkness later on.
2407
03:06:22,128 --> 03:06:25,298
I guess with Ash we just get the sense that
he's having a really bad day.
2408
03:06:26,007 --> 03:06:28,968
You don't feel like he's going to be scarred
for life because of what's going on.
2409
03:06:29,469 --> 03:06:33,765
Like losing his hand, his reaction is just
like oh, you bastards.
2410
03:06:36,810 --> 03:06:44,234
Everything in Evil Dead 2 is a very quotable
moment from groovy to who's laughing now and
2411
03:06:44,567 --> 03:06:46,903
he's like chopping off his hand with the chainsaw.
2412
03:06:51,533 --> 03:06:53,535
We were such nerds in high school.
2413
03:06:54,119 --> 03:06:58,873
I mean we would quote that movie till our
faces turned blue and no one knew what the hell
2414
03:06:59,249 --> 03:07:00,250
we were talking about.
2415
03:07:01,376 --> 03:07:04,754
When the hand comes off then it's running
around and flipping him the bird and then
2416
03:07:05,380 --> 03:07:08,758
I think it was the moment where he puts it
under the bucket and puts A Farewell to Arms
2417
03:07:09,175 --> 03:07:10,051
on top of it.
2418
03:07:10,468 --> 03:07:14,097
That's what I got what Raimi was going for
and that's also kind of a perfect moment in
2419
03:07:14,389 --> 03:07:15,724
horror comedy history.
2420
03:07:22,105 --> 03:07:25,400
Oh, we got to shoot the evil hand doing this
today and oh my God which one do we use?
2421
03:07:25,734 --> 03:07:31,156
We had a radio-controlled hand, we had stunt
hands, a hand that would come up palm up on
2422
03:07:31,489 --> 03:07:34,325
the floor where it had a prosthetic stump
glued to a guy underneath.
2423
03:07:35,118 --> 03:07:40,081
We had a palm down version with the same thing
another stunt coming out so the hand can move
2424
03:07:40,457 --> 03:07:41,332
accordingly.
2425
03:07:42,500 --> 03:07:47,255
I don't think you've ever seen anything before
that, that handled that kind of bridge of comedy
2426
03:07:47,630 --> 03:07:48,465
and horror so well.
2427
03:07:48,840 --> 03:07:53,595
Raimi was the first person who I think with
legitimate genius blended those things together.
2428
03:07:53,928 --> 03:07:55,930
It ushered in a completely new genre.
2429
03:07:57,140 --> 03:08:00,435
That was when a lot of us perked up when oh,
this is a masterpiece.
2430
03:08:12,614 --> 03:08:17,410
Rick Baker had been working with me ever since
I started making films.
2431
03:08:17,744 --> 03:08:23,166
So, naturally when it came time to do the monster
for It's Alive, I would give the job to him.
2432
03:08:24,083 --> 03:08:25,335
We didn't show it much.
2433
03:08:25,752 --> 03:08:31,090
I figured the more we showed it the less scary it
would be and the more it was in your imagination.
2434
03:08:31,424 --> 03:08:35,386
I wanted to make The Return to the House
of Wax and Warner Brothers said we can't give
2435
03:08:35,678 --> 03:08:39,307
you that title but if you want to make another
It's Alive movie you can.
2436
03:08:41,559 --> 03:08:43,436
We had a lot of adventures on the picture.
2437
03:08:43,895 --> 03:08:49,400
Michael Moriarty was yelling into the bushes
to the monster come on out, don't be afraid,
2438
03:08:50,026 --> 03:08:50,860
come on out.
2439
03:08:51,486 --> 03:08:56,699
And at that moment a wild boar ran out of the
bushes right at him right into the camera crew
2440
03:08:57,325 --> 03:09:02,497
everybody running for their fucking lives
and I'm yelling to the cameraman shoot it.
2441
03:09:02,789 --> 03:09:05,291
Get it on camera, get it but they didn't get it.
2442
03:09:05,583 --> 03:09:07,168
So, what the hell?
2443
03:09:08,002 --> 03:09:13,675
The monster was supposed to come up from a
pond so he put the guy in the rubber suit
2444
03:09:14,092 --> 03:09:20,098
into the pond. On action he submerged and he's
supposed to count for 1O and come up so we're
2445
03:09:20,598 --> 03:09:24,602
waiting a minute, minute and a half and the
monster has not yet come up.
2446
03:09:25,019 --> 03:09:29,148
One of the actors runs into the pool and dives
in and pulls him out.
2447
03:09:29,482 --> 03:09:34,529
His suit had filled up with water and he couldn't
come up so he would have drowned.
2448
03:09:35,446 --> 03:09:37,532
So, he was rescued right on camera.
2449
03:09:37,949 --> 03:09:43,621
Daniel Pearl Lee, the cinematographer and his
crew had this running joke of hiding a rubber
2450
03:09:43,997 --> 03:09:44,914
chicken in the scene.
2451
03:09:45,373 --> 03:09:49,752
I had to be on the lookout every day for a
rubber chicken before we started rolling.
2452
03:09:50,169 --> 03:09:53,423
One day I missed it and the chicken showed
up in the movie.
2453
03:10:01,514 --> 03:10:08,104
And that's what I like on this set is having
a good time and I want everybody to have fun.
2454
03:10:18,448 --> 03:10:23,578
With Lost Boys it was almost impossible
to see it working because it was such a bold
2455
03:10:23,995 --> 03:10:30,627
and almost audacious gambit which is let's
take all of these standard rules of vampire
2456
03:10:31,044 --> 03:10:37,050
lore and let's squeeze them through almost
like a big gaudy '80s teen sex drama, right?
2457
03:10:37,634 --> 03:10:39,135
And I was like that doesn't work.
2458
03:10:39,552 --> 03:10:41,429
That's like going to not work in spades.
2459
03:10:42,180 --> 03:10:44,223
It was Joel Schumacher and Richard Donner.
2460
03:10:44,641 --> 03:10:45,725
Donner was producing it.
2461
03:10:46,309 --> 03:10:49,979
I think we were lucky in the end that Joel, we
got somebody who had like such an ironclad
2462
03:10:50,355 --> 03:10:52,482
vision for how to actually make that work.
2463
03:10:52,774 --> 03:10:55,360
He wanted the horror.
2464
03:10:55,652 --> 03:11:00,490
What Joel did was he took those tropes and
he's like bridging the cinema of Nick Ray
2465
03:11:00,907 --> 03:11:04,535
and '80s horror and he's going to pull all
of this stuff together.
2466
03:11:04,827 --> 03:11:07,789
The vampires represent the dark side of the
other characters psyches.
2467
03:11:08,164 --> 03:11:14,504
Take all of the anxieties of being a teenager
coming into your own as an adolescent and
2468
03:11:14,963 --> 03:11:18,633
your sexuality, isolation of being the loner
in a new town.
2469
03:11:19,550 --> 03:11:23,596
I would argue an undercurrent of the AIDS
epidemic and just to some of the phobias that
2470
03:11:24,013 --> 03:11:28,726
were afflicting the country at that time,
the gay community and other communities and
2471
03:11:29,143 --> 03:11:33,564
then the sort of garishness of the
80's culture itself.
2472
03:11:33,982 --> 03:11:37,902
He's commenting on the garishness, he's not
just showing you the garishness.
2473
03:11:40,279 --> 03:11:44,158
With Lost Boys you have sort of the perfect
storm of horror meets rock and roll.
2474
03:11:44,659 --> 03:11:48,871
They were vampires that women wanted to be
with, guys wanted to hang outwith, everybody
2475
03:11:49,288 --> 03:11:50,873
wanted to be with the Lost Boys.
2476
03:11:51,624 --> 03:11:54,502
What I think is really great about a lot of the stories
in the '80s is there was a lot of stories
2477
03:11:55,086 --> 03:11:58,798
about single parents and there was a lot that
I really enjoyed about Dianne Wiest in Lost
2478
03:11:59,215 --> 03:12:04,012
Boys in terms of the struggles she was facing
raising Sam and Michael played by Corey Haim
2479
03:12:04,429 --> 03:12:05,513
and Jason Patrick.
2480
03:12:05,805 --> 03:12:09,684
There was something very realistic about the
struggles she was facing in this very sort
2481
03:12:10,101 --> 03:12:12,770
of fantasy world of vampires.
2482
03:12:20,695 --> 03:12:26,617
To play this character who doesn't really
say much, he's just this kind of teen, probably
2483
03:12:27,076 --> 03:12:31,164
a runaway, probably had a really fucked up
background and then just gets to eviscerate
2484
03:12:31,622 --> 03:12:36,711
people sort of like gets to expunge all of his own
anxieties like in these monstrous ways.
2485
03:12:37,211 --> 03:12:39,130
It was really satisfying.
2486
03:12:41,090 --> 03:12:43,051
We shot nights for a lot of our shoot.
2487
03:12:43,468 --> 03:12:47,638
We were vampires, we would go to bed in the
morning and get up at night and we had blankets
2488
03:12:47,930 --> 03:12:52,060
taped over our windows and we were sort of
treated like rock stars by the town.
2489
03:12:52,477 --> 03:12:54,937
So, we got up to a lot of trouble.
2490
03:12:55,521 --> 03:12:59,692
You have somebody like Ve Neill who comes
in to do these vampires with the assistance
2491
03:12:59,984 --> 03:13:01,736
of Greg Cannom and Steve LaPorte.
2492
03:13:02,070 --> 03:13:06,574
They're all dressed up like glam rockers
intentionally because she wanted to sort of emote
2493
03:13:06,991 --> 03:13:11,746
that 70s rock coolness of like Led Zeppelin but she
was like well, if they're gonna explode and
2494
03:13:12,038 --> 03:13:14,499
do these cool things like I want glitter in there.
2495
03:13:14,791 --> 03:13:17,585
So, if you go and look at them,
they're glittery vampires.
2496
03:13:18,711 --> 03:13:23,466
We had a full body cast of me that had like
the blood pumping through it.
2497
03:13:24,050 --> 03:13:28,179
If you actually watch the shot of Corey staking me
you can see the division of where it's going to
2498
03:13:28,596 --> 03:13:29,138
retract.
2499
03:13:29,597 --> 03:13:31,808
Pre-CGI days now they would just clean it up
in three seconds.
2500
03:13:32,308 --> 03:13:37,855
And then Corey staked me and then they drop
the body double, the rubber dummy and then
2501
03:13:38,231 --> 03:13:42,068
I landed in the dirt and then all the kids
proceeded to kick so much dirt into my face
2502
03:13:42,360 --> 03:13:44,112
that I went to the hospital with a scratched
cornea.
2503
03:13:44,654 --> 03:13:47,281
So, my screaming is real.
2504
03:13:52,036 --> 03:13:56,624
I like to tell Corey Feldman whenever I see him
that uh, thank you for sending me to the hospital.
2505
03:13:57,834 --> 03:14:02,755
Being on the sets or just goofing off with
the other guys is a really good memory.
2506
03:14:14,183 --> 03:14:18,104
The old cliché and the old kind of warning
is don't work with kids, don't work with animals
2507
03:14:18,437 --> 03:14:19,689
and don't work with special effects.
2508
03:14:20,189 --> 03:14:21,607
And Monster Squad, that's all it is.
2509
03:14:21,899 --> 03:14:27,655
You're having this kind of swell of these
slashers and villains and Dream Monsters and
2510
03:14:28,072 --> 03:14:31,033
guys in hockey masks which is awesome but
then I think there's that question.
2511
03:14:31,409 --> 03:14:32,660
It's like how did we get here?
2512
03:14:32,952 --> 03:14:34,328
Where are the origin stories?
2513
03:14:34,745 --> 03:14:35,997
Where are the original monsters?
2514
03:14:36,581 --> 03:14:41,669
Fred Dekker what he did was take the original
monsters that launched this whole thing.
2515
03:14:42,211 --> 03:14:45,756
Let's bring those back and pay a little tribute
to those.
2516
03:14:46,257 --> 03:14:49,427
Characters who are meant to be Dracula,
Frankenstein, Creature from the Black Lagoon,
2517
03:14:49,886 --> 03:14:53,723
they managed to skirt the Universal copyright
through some clever dodges.
2518
03:14:54,891 --> 03:14:59,854
I actually think that improved them because
you weren't recreating something.
2519
03:15:00,563 --> 03:15:05,359
Tom Woodruff Jr. is working with Stan Winston's
shop at the time and he actually designed
2520
03:15:05,776 --> 03:15:08,487
the Frankenstein applications redesign.
2521
03:15:14,785 --> 03:15:19,832
My favorite man in a monster suit always was
and still is the Creature From The Black Lagoon.
2522
03:15:20,458 --> 03:15:24,712
I wanted to be the guy in the monster suit
and Stan gave me my first role when I played
2523
03:15:25,129 --> 03:15:26,631
the Gillman in Monster Squad.
2524
03:15:27,215 --> 03:15:29,800
Somebody else in the shop said well, have
you worked out your walk yet?
2525
03:15:30,259 --> 03:15:37,099
And I'm thinking uh-oh. Not only is there a walk
to figure out apparently but I haven't learned it
2526
03:15:37,558 --> 03:15:40,102
and now I'm thinking and I could feel my
confidence now starting...
2527
03:15:40,436 --> 03:15:41,812
I'm thinking what did I do?
2528
03:15:42,104 --> 03:15:43,731
I said, I don't even know the terms.
2529
03:15:44,357 --> 03:15:50,696
The fascinating design done unlike any other creature
design suit and build and actual application
2530
03:15:50,988 --> 03:15:54,700
of it than anybody had ever done at the time
and then now Tom's zipped up and glued into
2531
03:15:54,992 --> 03:15:57,787
this one-piece suit and has to figure out
how to be this character.
2532
03:15:58,412 --> 03:16:02,750
We're on the back lot at Warner Brothers and
climbing out of the fake manhole cover and
2533
03:16:03,042 --> 03:16:10,675
going through a fight with some very enthusiastic
stuntmen with hard rubber clubs and then having
2534
03:16:10,967 --> 03:16:16,597
to move in on the store with Horace stuck out
front with his shotgun and that's when I finally
2535
03:16:17,014 --> 03:16:19,267
thought now it's time for my walk.
2536
03:16:25,606 --> 03:16:28,234
It was sort of like a monster effects buffet.
2537
03:16:28,609 --> 03:16:29,860
I got to sample everything.
2538
03:16:30,152 --> 03:16:33,906
Some stunts here and some squibbing and falling
and my walking and breathing.
2539
03:16:34,365 --> 03:16:35,032
All that stuff.
2540
03:16:35,408 --> 03:16:37,326
And I got to die on screen.
2541
03:16:40,329 --> 03:16:46,711
I don't think I will ever be able to relive
those glory days because it was pretty high up.
2542
03:16:47,753 --> 03:16:50,423
Monster Squad has a lot of memorable one-liners.
2543
03:16:51,007 --> 03:16:54,677
Other people have great lines like I wish
I had that line but obviously Wolf man's got nards
2544
03:16:55,052 --> 03:16:56,554
is the line from that movie.
2545
03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:05,062
The problem with Monster Squad I think was
a couple things.
2546
03:17:05,396 --> 03:17:09,400
The subject matter and the story and the action
and the kind of monsters were a little too
2547
03:17:09,900 --> 03:17:15,656
much for the 8-9 to 10-year olds and it
was too kid-like for the 15-16-17-year olds
2548
03:17:15,990 --> 03:17:17,867
that went to see the Lost Boys and dug that.
2549
03:17:18,326 --> 03:17:19,827
So, like I'm not going to go see a kid's movie.
2550
03:17:20,286 --> 03:17:24,165
So, really when he left a small sliver of
an audience in there that couldn't go because
2551
03:17:24,623 --> 03:17:27,501
of the rating or their parents wouldn't take
them so they got left out twice.
2552
03:17:28,502 --> 03:17:31,964
But we kind of made the first tween movie.
2553
03:17:43,100 --> 03:17:50,191
Hellraiser was written and directed by Clive
Barker adapted from his own novella,
2554
03:17:50,608 --> 03:17:51,567
The Hellbound Heart.
2555
03:17:52,234 --> 03:17:58,199
Central to a lot of Clive Barker's work is
the idea of the monsters being the good guys
2556
03:17:58,657 --> 03:18:03,204
or at least being more complicated than simply
being the bad guys.
2557
03:18:03,579 --> 03:18:05,414
Pinhead is not the monster in the film.
2558
03:18:05,873 --> 03:18:10,002
The monsters in Hellraiser are Julia and Frank.
2559
03:18:10,586 --> 03:18:14,048
The humans are the ones causing the trouble.
2560
03:18:14,423 --> 03:18:18,803
I increasingly saw Pinhead as an impartial judge.
2561
03:18:19,303 --> 03:18:24,392
As far as Clive was concerned, he was not
to be the focus of the film.
2562
03:18:25,059 --> 03:18:27,436
Clive's focus was all on Julia.
2563
03:18:27,978 --> 03:18:32,691
For Clive, Hellraiser was about creating the
first great female horror monster.
2564
03:18:35,069 --> 03:18:39,990
I feel as though there's an element throughout
the 1980s of people being given a chance.
2565
03:18:40,991 --> 03:18:42,493
Clive had never directed a film.
2566
03:18:42,993 --> 03:18:48,958
So, I knew absolutely where his imagination
was but it is true that he arrived on set
2567
03:18:49,375 --> 03:18:53,212
on day one on Hellraiser and said, "So who's
in charge here?"
2568
03:18:54,171 --> 03:19:01,387
He was extremely lucky I think in having Robin
Vidgeon by his side as director of photography
2569
03:19:01,762 --> 03:19:04,890
who's no small part of the success of Hellraiser.
2570
03:19:05,182 --> 03:19:10,438
He worked with Clive and met Clive's imaginative
vision head on.
2571
03:19:10,855 --> 03:19:12,982
I was blessed with a lot of wonderful lines.
2572
03:19:13,524 --> 03:19:16,318
We have such sights to show you.
2573
03:19:16,944 --> 03:19:21,282
There was one line that I highlighted and
I wrote next to it - laugh.
2574
03:19:22,116 --> 03:19:28,038
And people ought to laugh but they ought to
laugh slightly uncomfortably because
2575
03:19:28,664 --> 03:19:34,044
as well as being a joke, it's a threat and that line
was, "No tears, please."
2576
03:19:40,634 --> 03:19:45,181
I've always said that Pinhead is a horror
monster who would be perfectly at home at
2577
03:19:45,806 --> 03:19:49,852
a garden party with Noel Coward and Oscar
Wilde trading epithets.
2578
03:19:55,566 --> 03:19:58,068
Kathryn Bigelow is probably one of my favorite
filmmakers.
2579
03:19:58,444 --> 03:20:03,449
Particularly her work on Near Dark is incredible
and I'd never seen a vampire movie like that.
2580
03:20:04,074 --> 03:20:08,162
She leans into sort of this western style -
is a coolness to it.
2581
03:20:08,704 --> 03:20:14,084
It's a bunch of vampires that are traveling
across the country and they bring in this
2582
03:20:14,585 --> 03:20:16,420
new kid into their fold.
2583
03:20:17,046 --> 03:20:22,009
It's so different because it really messes
with vampire lore and you've got an incredible
2584
03:20:22,384 --> 03:20:23,260
cast with it.
2585
03:20:23,761 --> 03:20:25,262
You've got Lance Henriksen, you've got Bill Paxton.
2586
03:20:25,596 --> 03:20:27,097
It's so well done.
2587
03:20:27,598 --> 03:20:32,186
For as much as I'd grown up sort of trusting
somebody like Lance Henriksen, seeing him
2588
03:20:32,478 --> 03:20:36,857
transformed into this creature with no set of morals.
2589
03:20:37,149 --> 03:20:42,071
Like he's just out to eat and to exist and
to survive with something else.
2590
03:20:42,363 --> 03:20:48,285
The vampires take over this bar and they're
just slaughtering everybody and laughing.
2591
03:20:51,789 --> 03:20:55,751
Normally, it's your vampire comes in bites
somebody and this it's like no, they're reveling
2592
03:20:56,126 --> 03:20:58,045
in it that they're murdering people.
2593
03:20:59,880 --> 03:21:06,095
To see Bill Paxton becoming this sort of unhinged
crazy man of a character was so awesome.
2594
03:21:06,512 --> 03:21:09,557
It's just such an interesting and different
take on vampires than anything we saw during
2595
03:21:10,015 --> 03:21:11,183
the '80s.
2596
03:21:17,815 --> 03:21:24,446
Horror goes directly to our primal nerve centers
and the things that are most basic about being
2597
03:21:24,947 --> 03:21:27,199
human and that's fucking and killing.
2598
03:21:27,491 --> 03:21:31,120
You get sex and nudity on screen and it's just
as much of a hook as the violence was.
2599
03:21:32,121 --> 03:21:36,667
Nudity has never seemed that gratuitous to
me in horror films.
2600
03:21:37,001 --> 03:21:38,043
It's always seemed part of it.
2601
03:21:38,377 --> 03:21:44,883
I mean if you look at the old movies from
like the '60s and early '70s in Spain and Italy.
2602
03:21:45,175 --> 03:21:47,428
I used to show them on my show Movie Macabre
2603
03:21:47,886 --> 03:21:50,180
and we'd have to cut out three-quarters of the
movie because everybody was naked.
2604
03:21:50,681 --> 03:21:53,517
I guess vampires and witches just run around
naked all the time I don't know.
2605
03:21:54,143 --> 03:21:59,315
It's interesting to me how society during
the '80s sort of projected their own especially
2606
03:21:59,773 --> 03:22:06,196
U.S. cultures projected their own hang-ups
on nudity on to this genre of films when it
2607
03:22:06,488 --> 03:22:09,033
really wasn't, I don't think that much of
an issue.
2608
03:22:11,410 --> 03:22:14,622
Oh, I think I'll take a shower now, it's hot
in here.
2609
03:22:15,706 --> 03:22:19,960
I mean it's just out there with it and
I think it was completely gratuitous and
2610
03:22:20,252 --> 03:22:24,048
I think it was used only to sell the movie and
I think it was completely unnecessary but
2611
03:22:24,340 --> 03:22:27,301
you have to get young guys in there to see
the movie and how are you going to do that?
2612
03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:32,556
They asked a lot of girls to be naked in these
films, myself included.
2613
03:22:35,225 --> 03:22:41,065
But at that time it was a little bit more forbidden
and felt more base and a lot of men were writing
2614
03:22:41,357 --> 03:22:46,278
the movies and so they were writing what they
wanted to see and yeah, they wanted to see
2615
03:22:46,654 --> 03:22:47,655
naked ladies.
2616
03:22:48,155 --> 03:22:51,158
For me, it sort of felt like here it
is again, okay.
2617
03:22:51,659 --> 03:22:53,535
And it felt like it was a rite of passage okay.
2618
03:22:54,286 --> 03:22:57,915
If I keep saying no to these roles, I'm not
going to be able to work so I said yes and
2619
03:22:58,415 --> 03:23:01,460
it was fine as long as the script was good.
2620
03:23:02,252 --> 03:23:09,802
A lot of women were exploited for exploitation
purposes just to see it because they would
2621
03:23:10,260 --> 03:23:11,011
say yes.
2622
03:23:11,428 --> 03:23:14,348
The nudity helped get the butts in the seats.
2623
03:23:15,057 --> 03:23:20,187
Like if I had two videos in my hand and one
said nudity and one did not, which one do you
2624
03:23:20,688 --> 03:23:21,855
think I'm watching?
2625
03:23:22,272 --> 03:23:24,274
I do think they need to have more male nudity.
2626
03:23:24,566 --> 03:23:28,696
Even way back I was like I never see a penis
ever in a movie.
2627
03:23:29,363 --> 03:23:32,241
And even now it's still rare although getting
a little better.
2628
03:23:32,991 --> 03:23:37,871
But I feel like if you have a naked lady then
have a naked man.
2629
03:23:38,414 --> 03:23:39,456
Equality.
2630
03:23:43,210 --> 03:23:45,921
Halloween 3, I think you see my ass.
2631
03:23:46,422 --> 03:23:47,715
I had an ass then.
2632
03:23:48,465 --> 03:23:52,970
I don't have an ass anymore. I'm too old, it's
all gone away.
2633
03:23:54,388 --> 03:24:02,896
I don't know why an audience of teenagers
would think that over sexed teenagers deserve
2634
03:24:03,480 --> 03:24:06,608
to die but that's what was happening in the '80s.
2635
03:24:07,276 --> 03:24:14,199
So, we must have had a lot of undersexed teenagers
enjoying the death of
2636
03:24:14,491 --> 03:24:16,744
oversexed teenagers in these movies.
2637
03:24:17,411 --> 03:24:21,749
America has always been very schizophrenic
in that
2638
03:24:22,374 --> 03:24:24,710
it's a puritanical place.
2639
03:24:25,544 --> 03:24:32,551
And so a lot of the movies, if you had sex you would
die, that was kind of the Friday the 13th model.
2640
03:24:33,469 --> 03:24:38,432
Anyone who would have sex you knew was going
to be dead by reel three.
2641
03:24:41,852 --> 03:24:49,276
I think a lot of people were trying to equate
sex with sinning and you're gonna go frolic
2642
03:24:49,735 --> 03:24:51,028
and you get what you get, you know?
2643
03:24:51,528 --> 03:24:53,906
It's kind of how in Scream they
talk about the rules.
2644
03:24:54,406 --> 03:24:56,158
You had sex, now you're going to die.
2645
03:25:09,505 --> 03:25:12,966
Maybe not the healthiest message to send out
to people.
2646
03:25:13,759 --> 03:25:16,386
It's a kind of old-fashioned, isn't it?
2647
03:25:16,678 --> 03:25:22,976
Especially after the freedom and outrageous
goings on of the 60s and 70s.
2648
03:25:23,519 --> 03:25:30,234
And that was so ingrained that it was a rule
that they deliberately had to start breaking.
2649
03:25:30,526 --> 03:25:33,237
And reviewers pointed it out, they had sex and
they lived.
2650
03:25:34,029 --> 03:25:36,240
That's how strong that was.
2651
03:25:36,907 --> 03:25:40,202
I like that women have sexual power over men.
2652
03:25:40,869 --> 03:25:42,454
A lot of the time in horror.
2653
03:25:42,788 --> 03:25:48,418
No matter how the male antagonist or the
villain may try to subjugate and victimize
2654
03:25:49,002 --> 03:25:54,758
the woman, she has always been able to very
proactively and aggressively act on her own
2655
03:25:55,217 --> 03:25:58,679
behalf and get her revenge on the bad guy.
2656
03:26:00,097 --> 03:26:01,014
That works for me.
2657
03:26:01,431 --> 03:26:03,976
So, it's like different kinds of nudity in horror.
2658
03:26:04,476 --> 03:26:08,605
There's plenty where it's used for shock value,
I guess.
2659
03:26:09,147 --> 03:26:14,152
Like lots of violence is happening on top
of it and you're really confused because if
2660
03:26:14,528 --> 03:26:16,947
you're getting aroused as this is going,
it's like am I a terrible person?
2661
03:26:17,489 --> 03:26:19,408
It's like maniacs like slaughtering people.
2662
03:26:19,950 --> 03:26:25,747
At what point are you allowed to enjoy it
and what point is it kind of disturbing?
2663
03:26:43,599 --> 03:26:45,100
I really liked Critters.
2664
03:26:45,517 --> 03:26:46,518
I had a good time with it.
2665
03:26:46,810 --> 03:26:48,562
It was very Spielbergian.
2666
03:26:48,979 --> 03:26:51,815
Sort of a modern-day western but with little
monsters.
2667
03:26:52,232 --> 03:26:56,695
And one of the things I really like about
the Critters world and in particular Critters 2
2668
03:26:57,362 --> 03:27:00,282
is one of my favorite themes of Norman Rockwell
goes to hell.
2669
03:27:00,824 --> 03:27:06,079
So, this is taking the idealized small-town
America and just kicking it in the balls.
2670
03:27:13,754 --> 03:27:20,177
My main job was try to create some characters
who were memorable and just not fodder for
2671
03:27:20,677 --> 03:27:21,970
little puppets.
2672
03:27:24,765 --> 03:27:30,562
The cast was wonderful Lin Shaye and Scott
Grimes and Liane Curtis and Barry Corbin.
2673
03:27:30,854 --> 03:27:32,481
A really good group of people.
2674
03:27:32,981 --> 03:27:35,192
And the Chiodo Brothers were amazing.
2675
03:27:41,323 --> 03:27:45,619
They made these amazing creations on no
money.
2676
03:27:46,578 --> 03:27:51,917
Another memorable moment in Critters 2 that
stretches the boundaries of the PG-13 rating
2677
03:27:52,501 --> 03:27:58,966
is when one of the alien bounty hunters picks
up the Playboy magazine and sees the fold-out
2678
03:27:59,549 --> 03:28:05,055
and transforms into Roxanne Kernohan naked.
2679
03:28:09,226 --> 03:28:14,398
A really great idea that Bob Shaye, the head
of New Line Studios had when we were doing
2680
03:28:14,690 --> 03:28:16,233
the scene with the fold-out.
2681
03:28:16,650 --> 03:28:22,406
When she transforms and plucks the giant staple
out of her navel that was Bob's idea and I
2682
03:28:22,698 --> 03:28:25,492
have to give him credit because it's so good.
2683
03:28:29,746 --> 03:28:34,501
The most complicated scene maybe to this day
that I've ever shot is that chase between
2684
03:28:35,002 --> 03:28:39,339
the pickup truck and the giant critter ball
because there are several different versions
2685
03:28:39,756 --> 03:28:40,590
of that critter ball.
2686
03:28:41,091 --> 03:28:46,430
One of them must have weighed a ton and was
on an axle connected to the pickup truck and
2687
03:28:46,722 --> 03:28:50,684
it had all these remote-control puppeted faces
that are biting on it.
2688
03:28:51,685 --> 03:28:56,690
There's another version, it's just a bunch
of critter pelts on an inflatable ball that
2689
03:28:57,024 --> 03:29:00,944
when it first comes into town you can see
two of the Chiodo Brothers' legs behind
2690
03:29:01,403 --> 03:29:02,696
it as they're pushing it.
2691
03:29:03,196 --> 03:29:06,658
That's real high-tech visual effects.
2692
03:29:07,159 --> 03:29:11,788
But when the critters ball is rolling, one
of the people running away from it gets rolled
2693
03:29:12,456 --> 03:29:19,087
over and reveals the skeleton of him immediately
after you hear gobble, gobble, gobble and it's away
2694
03:29:19,671 --> 03:29:22,049
and there's the skeleton with a little meat left on it.
2695
03:29:26,595 --> 03:29:30,348
That's a favorite moment of mine and always
gets an amazing reaction.
2696
03:29:41,151 --> 03:29:45,405
Friday the 13th Part 7 -The New Blood is
the first one with Kane Hodder as Jason which
2697
03:29:45,697 --> 03:29:49,242
is surprising that the most famous Jason came
in during the seventh movie.
2698
03:29:49,868 --> 03:29:53,663
The really memorable thing about this movie
is of course the psychic character Tina who
2699
03:29:54,289 --> 03:29:57,709
serves as the first person who can actually
stand up to Jason and fight back.
2700
03:29:58,376 --> 03:30:02,255
And it was directed by the late John Carl
Buechler who did a fantastic job with it.
2701
03:30:03,173 --> 03:30:09,096
The single reason I ever became Jason was
his insistence that I play the character because
2702
03:30:09,513 --> 03:30:12,766
nobody was against C.J. coming back from Part 6.
2703
03:30:13,183 --> 03:30:14,101
He had done a good job.
2704
03:30:14,476 --> 03:30:18,980
I still think he did a good job but Buechler
was adamant that I play the character.
2705
03:30:19,356 --> 03:30:21,024
Unbelievable honor.
2706
03:30:21,733 --> 03:30:25,737
I said I have to do whatever I can to do this
character justice.
2707
03:30:29,658 --> 03:30:33,912
Tina has a vision of me killing Bill Butler
with the tent stakes.
2708
03:30:34,371 --> 03:30:37,290
So it's sticking out of him and I'm standing
behind him and he's going like that.
2709
03:30:37,791 --> 03:30:40,752
That's the very first thing I ever shot with
the hockey mask on.
2710
03:30:41,169 --> 03:30:43,171
So, that'll always be a cool memory.
2711
03:30:43,964 --> 03:30:50,095
My favorite fire stunt I've ever done is as
Jason in Part 7 because there is so much
2712
03:30:50,512 --> 03:30:51,596
fire on me.
2713
03:30:52,222 --> 03:30:53,849
I'm on fire for so long.
2714
03:30:54,391 --> 03:30:56,309
Just an amazing looking stunt.
2715
03:30:56,977 --> 03:30:59,813
Everybody's afraid to offer me a fire stunt
because one almost killed me.
2716
03:31:00,105 --> 03:31:01,940
I was in the hospital five and a half months.
2717
03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:06,820
It took a year to fully recover and get back
to a somewhat normal life.
2718
03:31:07,320 --> 03:31:13,160
Even though it almost killed me I always looked
back and said man, I just liked doing fire
2719
03:31:13,743 --> 03:31:15,829
stunts because they were so scary-looking.
2720
03:31:16,329 --> 03:31:19,833
With Kane Hodder behind the mask, Jason
undergoes a ton of punishment.
2721
03:31:20,333 --> 03:31:25,005
He gets a house falling on him and electrocuted
and nails stuck in him but then his ultimate
2722
03:31:25,380 --> 03:31:30,594
death comes from the hand of like a zombie
dad coming out of the lake and dragging him
2723
03:31:30,886 --> 03:31:31,678
underwater.
2724
03:31:32,137 --> 03:31:35,473
It's totally bizarre and a little rushed but
you definitely remember it.
2725
03:31:45,275 --> 03:31:48,528
One of the movies I would point people to
is Killer Klowns From Outer Space by the amazing
2726
03:31:48,945 --> 03:31:49,863
Chiodo Brothers.
2727
03:31:50,947 --> 03:31:54,784
This is a movie that is not long on plot but
is rich and intimate.
2728
03:31:55,493 --> 03:31:58,830
The designs for the Killer Klowns, clowns let's face
it, always being kind of creepy
2729
03:31:59,247 --> 03:32:01,666
are really, really, really disturbing.
2730
03:32:03,627 --> 03:32:06,880
The horror is there, the comedy they keep
it consistent.
2731
03:32:07,172 --> 03:32:08,882
They're killing people with pies.
2732
03:32:09,382 --> 03:32:12,552
They're taking people and wrapping them up
in cotton candy.
2733
03:32:15,263 --> 03:32:18,850
Lon Chaney once said that the clown is funny
in the circus ring but he's not funny at your door
2734
03:32:19,142 --> 03:32:19,893
at midnight.
2735
03:32:20,185 --> 03:32:24,231
These guys are at your door at midnight and
even though the story is ridiculous it's filled
2736
03:32:24,814 --> 03:32:26,900
with strange slapstick violence.
2737
03:32:31,821 --> 03:32:34,783
It really, it gives it a special place in my heart.
2738
03:32:43,250 --> 03:32:46,336
When I got the script of Phantasm 2, it wasn't
called Phantasm 2.
2739
03:32:46,753 --> 03:32:49,381
It was called either American Gothic or
Morningside.
2740
03:32:49,798 --> 03:32:52,133
It went through different versions.
It was top-secret.
2741
03:32:52,550 --> 03:32:54,261
You get page two and it says the Tall Man
2742
03:32:54,678 --> 03:32:56,513
and I'm like yeah, I think I can figure out what it is.
2743
03:32:57,097 --> 03:33:01,184
Angus Scrimm and his Tall Man character couldn't
be further apart.
2744
03:33:01,685 --> 03:33:05,939
Angus was the sweetest most gentle human being,
a wonderful actor.
2745
03:33:06,356 --> 03:33:08,108
Just a sweet gentle soul.
2746
03:33:08,608 --> 03:33:11,903
When he becomes the Tall Man he just switches it
0nH.and"B0yF
2747
03:33:13,905 --> 03:33:15,782
And then switches it off and he's Angus.
2748
03:33:16,241 --> 03:33:17,617
Yeah, I love working with him.
2749
03:33:18,118 --> 03:33:20,829
It's so clear that they had a big budget on
the sequel.
2750
03:33:21,121 --> 03:33:25,041
They were able to do a lot of the concepts
that Don Coscarelli had had with the original
2751
03:33:25,500 --> 03:33:28,461
that he couldn't fully flesh out because he just
didn't have the money.
2752
03:33:30,839 --> 03:33:33,883
Steve Patino created a ton of different
spheres for the film.
2753
03:33:34,175 --> 03:33:35,051
He did a wonderful job.
2754
03:33:35,552 --> 03:33:39,931
Spheres were flying, spheres were dropping,
spheres that had a little blade come out and
2755
03:33:40,348 --> 03:33:43,268
start spinning and spheres just for blood pumping.
2756
03:33:43,643 --> 03:33:46,396
He had dozens of these things for different effects.
2757
03:33:49,482 --> 03:33:56,948
Anytime you got that completely shiny chrome
ball on set, it's basically a mirror reflecting
2758
03:33:57,240 --> 03:33:59,451
everything around it including the film crew.
2759
03:33:59,909 --> 03:34:02,829
So, you had to be very clever about how you
shot it like through a hole in the wall or
2760
03:34:03,246 --> 03:34:05,332
something so the camera wouldn't be seen.
2761
03:34:05,915 --> 03:34:07,000
We had a lot of fun with them.
2762
03:34:07,500 --> 03:34:09,002
I even tried one on myself.
2763
03:34:09,878 --> 03:34:16,301
My favorite scene has to be when the ball
is chasing the dude through the mausoleum
2764
03:34:16,801 --> 03:34:21,848
and it just comes up right in his head and
you're like ah, that sucks and then the drill
2765
03:34:22,265 --> 03:34:23,016
comes out.
2766
03:34:27,437 --> 03:34:31,816
Not expecting that at all and just... and
his blood flying everywhere. It drills through
2767
03:34:32,108 --> 03:34:32,859
the guy's brain.
2768
03:34:33,318 --> 03:34:35,362
It's insane. It's so well done.
2769
03:34:40,033 --> 03:34:44,371
Phantasm 2 in terms of its effects takes the
whole franchise to a completely different
2770
03:34:44,788 --> 03:34:50,251
level and I don't think any of the films since
have ever touched what the work in Phantasm 2
2771
03:34:50,668 --> 03:34:53,922
was like because I think that really set
a bar for that whole series.
2772
03:35:06,726 --> 03:35:10,855
The Blob is a film that I think deserves to
be up there with The Thing and The Fly as
2773
03:35:11,147 --> 03:35:12,440
one of the great '80s remakes.
2774
03:35:12,941 --> 03:35:17,946
It's really an example of how you can take
an older film and use the new cinematic technology
2775
03:35:18,488 --> 03:35:22,033
and really tell the story in the best possible way.
2776
03:35:22,867 --> 03:35:27,288
It's a monster that doesn't really get quite
the recognition that it deserves.
2777
03:35:27,705 --> 03:35:33,420
They had a much bloodier story it was different
from the original it made The Blob an even
2778
03:35:33,795 --> 03:35:34,921
bigger force to be reckoned with.
2779
03:35:35,505 --> 03:35:41,553
Here you have this thing from outer space
that is just a mindless killing machine.
2780
03:35:42,011 --> 03:35:46,015
It's just carving a path of destruction across
this town, eating everybody in its way.
2781
03:35:46,433 --> 03:35:51,020
It kills a theater full of children. It's
just something that they would have a hard
2782
03:35:51,312 --> 03:35:53,398
time getting away with today.
2783
03:36:09,789 --> 03:36:13,460
The 4th Nightmare on Elm Street film The Dream
Master picks up where The Dream Warriors left
2784
03:36:14,127 --> 03:36:17,547
off and then quickly just kills all the survivors
from that movie.
2785
03:36:24,053 --> 03:36:29,058
Kincaid is the first African American to ever
survive a major horror film
2786
03:36:29,434 --> 03:36:35,064
and return to a sequel but I think they forgot
because in Part 4 they killed my black
2787
03:36:35,523 --> 03:36:37,358
ass off during the credits almost.
2788
03:36:37,775 --> 03:36:43,156
So, I used to tell people if you want to see
me don't get popcorn, don't get no drinks,
2789
03:36:43,448 --> 03:36:48,369
go straight to the theater and after about five or ten
minutes then you can go get some drinks.
2790
03:36:49,662 --> 03:36:54,042
We actually filmed that in a junkyard and
it took us a week to film that scene.
2791
03:36:54,542 --> 03:37:00,507
It was where Freddy came back to life and
it was because of my dog that was named Jason.
2792
03:37:03,343 --> 03:37:09,265
And the dog pissed fire so... and that's what
brought him to life.
2793
03:37:11,142 --> 03:37:16,814
If you go back and look at it Robert Englund
had develop a swag about himself and he just
2794
03:37:17,273 --> 03:37:20,318
put on his hat and he said, "You shouldn't have
buried me."
2795
03:37:23,488 --> 03:37:28,117
He stuck his razors into my chest and grabbed
my heart.
2796
03:37:28,493 --> 03:37:31,788
I think he was supposed to pull it out but
that was going to be too gross.
2797
03:37:37,710 --> 03:37:41,339
It goes on to feature a new bunch of kids
fighting Freddy in their dreams including
2798
03:37:41,756 --> 03:37:45,301
The Dream Master which is an all-new thing
that this movie came up with.
2799
03:37:47,303 --> 03:37:50,974
My favorite effect from the movie is done
by Screaming Mad George who's really good
2800
03:37:51,266 --> 03:37:54,227
with bug effects and it's when Debbie becomes
a cockroach.
2801
03:37:54,644 --> 03:37:56,479
We're talking full-on Gregor Samsa here.
2802
03:37:57,021 --> 03:38:02,777
She just turns into this gross, gooey, icky
cockroach who's got antennae and limbs popping
2803
03:38:03,236 --> 03:38:07,323
out before she's ultimately crushed in a roach
motel by Freddy with a one-liner.
2804
03:38:21,963 --> 03:38:27,135
Ken Russell was a very distinctive filmmaker
who had a very distinctive point of view that
2805
03:38:27,427 --> 03:38:28,469
was slightly mad.
2806
03:38:28,928 --> 03:38:32,640
He took on a Bram Stoker short story called
The Lair of the White Worm.
2807
03:38:33,224 --> 03:38:37,562
Amanda Donohoe plays this priestess of the
white worm, sort of.
2808
03:38:38,563 --> 03:38:42,692
It's crazy, it's funny, it's really haunting
and spooky.
2809
03:38:43,151 --> 03:38:47,280
The Lair of the White Worm also has one of
the first performances of Hugh Grant and he's
2810
03:38:47,697 --> 03:38:49,949
the fumbling, charming guy that we all expect.
2811
03:38:58,249 --> 03:39:02,629
But it's in the British countryside and it
has to do with curses and ancient religions
2812
03:39:03,254 --> 03:39:06,716
and things and it's very much a Ken Russell special.
2813
03:39:07,342 --> 03:39:12,597
A really wonderful, unique movie that you would
never expect came from a short story written
2814
03:39:12,972 --> 03:39:15,224
by the same guy who wrote the book, Dracula.
2815
03:39:24,817 --> 03:39:28,154
Elvira: Mistress of the Dark was like a dream come
true.
2816
03:39:28,655 --> 03:39:34,243
We finally get to see Cassandra Peterson do
an extended version of Elvira and some of her
2817
03:39:34,619 --> 03:39:36,120
little hosting snippets.
2818
03:39:36,579 --> 03:39:39,666
We get to see her personality and we were
not disappointed.
2819
03:39:40,416 --> 03:39:46,589
It became such a great way to make the character
three-dimensional, myself and the two writers
2820
03:39:47,173 --> 03:39:49,217
that I worked with John Paragon and Sam Egan.
2821
03:39:49,801 --> 03:39:53,346
It was like a discovery every day, kind of about
myself. It was almost like a therapy session.
2822
03:39:54,263 --> 03:39:59,060
Here she is this woman that looks like something
between some kind of a sorceress vampire witch,
2823
03:39:59,352 --> 03:40:02,814
we don't know what, and she wants to be a
showgirl in Las Vegas.
2824
03:40:03,815 --> 03:40:06,067
It actually came from my real life so...
2825
03:40:07,402 --> 03:40:10,238
It was fun discovering who Elvira was.
2826
03:40:11,280 --> 03:40:15,368
She just went on a road trip where she's like
a fish out of water and the townspeople just
2827
03:40:15,910 --> 03:40:19,580
want to crucify her. But we all know she's
super cool.
2828
03:40:20,081 --> 03:40:24,043
I put my life on the line in that movie so
many times being surrounded by fire
2829
03:40:24,335 --> 03:40:28,297
first on the pyre up there and then later when the
house is burning down.
2830
03:40:28,798 --> 03:40:29,966
That fire is real.
2831
03:40:30,299 --> 03:40:34,262
I mean my wig would have gone up with all
that hairspray, like a bomb.
2832
03:40:34,762 --> 03:40:40,601
So, I was covered from head to toe in
flame-retardant which they failed to tell me made
2833
03:40:40,977 --> 03:40:46,566
you itch like mad and I have my hands tied behind
my back so I couldn't scratch myself.
2834
03:40:46,983 --> 03:40:49,318
I was wanting to tear my skin off.
2835
03:40:49,610 --> 03:40:51,237
It's making me itch right now.
2836
03:40:57,869 --> 03:41:00,413
We had the casserole monster's scene we call it.
2837
03:41:00,705 --> 03:41:05,126
The pot monster was a puppet, the
guys that were under the table had to get
2838
03:41:05,501 --> 03:41:10,173
very, very close to me and I was like oh,
no just come on sit right here between my
2839
03:41:10,465 --> 03:41:12,800
legs and I guess they had a great time down there.
2840
03:41:16,929 --> 03:41:20,349
It's such a good movie. It's so well done
and she was just a hero
2841
03:41:20,683 --> 03:41:23,352
to little horror girls like me, it's like...
2842
03:41:30,902 --> 03:41:34,238
So Pumpkinhead is an amazing film.
2843
03:41:34,655 --> 03:41:41,162
It has Lance Henriksen as the dad who loses
his adorable little kid and understandably
2844
03:41:41,454 --> 03:41:43,039
wants revenge.
2845
03:41:43,498 --> 03:41:50,546
So, he brings back this crazy monster which is my
favorite all-time monster ever and revenge
2846
03:41:50,922 --> 03:41:51,631
happens
2847
03:41:52,381 --> 03:41:58,429
It's makeup effects legend Stan Winston's
directorial debut and Tom WoodruffJr. as
2848
03:41:58,888 --> 03:42:00,431
the dude in the pumpkin head suit.
2849
03:42:00,890 --> 03:42:02,350
People ask, "What was your favorite movie?"
2850
03:42:02,642 --> 03:42:03,935
And I always tell them it was Pumpkinhead.
2851
03:42:04,560 --> 03:42:09,482
And he turned over the design aspects of that
entire show to us, his guys and we were going
2852
03:42:10,107 --> 03:42:12,819
to design Pumpkinhead and Stan was busy
directing.
2853
03:42:13,402 --> 03:42:16,948
So, that was an affirmative nod from Stan
to let us do that.
2854
03:42:18,407 --> 03:42:21,369
We always wanted to make sure that we were
delivering something to the audience that
2855
03:42:21,911 --> 03:42:23,746
didn't seem like the guy in a rubber suit.
2856
03:42:24,205 --> 03:42:28,334
We would do things like extend the legs with
a leg extension to make them long and skinny
2857
03:42:28,668 --> 03:42:32,421
and the suit was very thin in places so it
didn't add a lot of bulk.
2858
03:42:33,172 --> 03:42:35,842
It was all practical but it was a little bit
of puppetry, it was a little bit of man in suit
2859
03:42:36,300 --> 03:42:38,344
but I just love the design of what
Pumpkinhead was.
2860
03:42:38,845 --> 03:42:42,807
There he was with this kind of bulbous head
but he was very demonic, he had this long tail,
2861
03:42:43,349 --> 03:42:45,893
he was able to climb trees and take out people.
2862
03:42:48,688 --> 03:42:52,400
Whenever Pumkinhead was walking around you
can hear this weird chittering noise
2863
03:42:52,859 --> 03:42:53,651
in the background.
2864
03:42:54,110 --> 03:42:57,488
It sounded like cicadas and you always knew
if you heard that, you were doomed.
2865
03:43:05,079 --> 03:43:08,374
It was always hard for me in the suits to
communicate but when Stan would get close
2866
03:43:08,833 --> 03:43:12,295
I'd say can we do the King Kong thing? And he
goes the thing with the T-Rex.
2867
03:43:12,587 --> 03:43:16,090
So, we both knew exactly what we're saying
and that was thing where you pick up Joel's
2868
03:43:16,549 --> 03:43:18,843
head and kind of move it around a little bit
and play with it.
2869
03:43:19,260 --> 03:43:25,391
Even though this was an '80s movie it extended
much further before that from when we both
2870
03:43:25,892 --> 03:43:31,147
had each had seen King Kong and we brought
that into some kind of life for a moment.
2871
03:43:43,868 --> 03:43:48,289
After Halloween 3 confused the hell out of
everyone and bombed at the box office,
2872
03:43:48,581 --> 03:43:50,791
they resurrected everyone's favorite slasher.
2873
03:43:51,500 --> 03:43:55,546
Halloween 4 has Michael Myers returning to
Haddonfield this time to stalk his niece
2874
03:43:55,838 --> 03:43:58,132
Jamie Lloyd played by a young Danielle Harris.
2875
03:44:00,176 --> 03:44:05,306
My favorite kill in this one is mostly because
of the victim who is played by Kathleen Kinmont
2876
03:44:05,681 --> 03:44:09,143
wearing a very memorable shirt that says,
"Cops do it by the book.”
2877
03:44:09,560 --> 03:44:13,272
Michael just takes a shotgun and instead of
using it to shoot her, he impales her into
2878
03:44:13,648 --> 03:44:15,983
the wall with the barrel of the shotgun.
2879
03:44:19,612 --> 03:44:24,492
I think Halloween 4 is really the movie that
made Michael into one of the iconic slashers.
2880
03:44:31,582 --> 03:44:33,834
Michael Myers you're just like Jason Voorhees.
2881
03:44:45,054 --> 03:44:50,685
One of the things about the '80s it was just different
than my belief system as the unrestrained
2882
03:44:51,143 --> 03:44:54,981
capitalism that came into being,
Reagan brought it in.
2883
03:44:55,606 --> 03:44:59,902
The things that he implemented I felt were
not real great for people.
2884
03:45:00,319 --> 03:45:02,113
Especially low-income folks.
2885
03:45:02,571 --> 03:45:04,573
This greed is good business was just...
2886
03:45:05,074 --> 03:45:05,866
I just couldn't...
2887
03:45:06,283 --> 03:45:07,535
I couldn't believe it.
2888
03:45:12,540 --> 03:45:14,583
They Live was the response.
2889
03:45:15,167 --> 03:45:19,755
John had upped his game as a director by the
time we got to They Live.
2890
03:45:20,631 --> 03:45:29,056
It's political significance and resonance is probably
more acute today than it was even then.
2891
03:45:29,598 --> 03:45:34,603
I had to come up with a visual device that showed
the audience the hidden reality around them.
2892
03:45:35,187 --> 03:45:37,523
And so the sunglasses were a perfect metaphor.
2893
03:45:44,321 --> 03:45:48,701
Jim Danforth did these matte paintings and they
would work in black and white with sunglasses.
2894
03:45:49,118 --> 03:45:50,536
Perfect for our low budget.
2895
03:45:51,370 --> 03:45:54,457
Subliminal messages put in advertising.
2896
03:45:54,915 --> 03:45:56,834
They Live addressed it head bang on.
2897
03:45:57,418 --> 03:46:00,254
You don't know what messages are being
broadcast to us today.
2898
03:46:00,713 --> 03:46:03,007
That's not necessarily an alien concept.
2899
03:46:07,636 --> 03:46:10,389
The fight in They Live was fun to stage.
2900
03:46:10,681 --> 03:46:12,641
We rehearsed it for quite a while.
2901
03:46:13,059 --> 03:46:17,313
Roddy's a wrestler and he fights for a living,
so we had to put a big fight in.
2902
03:46:17,772 --> 03:46:19,231
The guy I'm impressed with is Keith.
2903
03:46:19,648 --> 03:46:20,733
He did great.
2904
03:46:24,612 --> 03:46:25,905
We rehearsed it for like two weeks.
2905
03:46:26,614 --> 03:46:31,660
It was very well-choreographed, very well
designed, fashioned after the fight in
2906
03:46:31,952 --> 03:46:33,079
The Quiet Man.
2907
03:46:34,914 --> 03:46:36,582
We had such, such fun.
2908
03:46:37,166 --> 03:46:39,251
I never felt safer in a fight in my life.
2909
03:46:39,752 --> 03:46:43,672
It was Roddy, he taught me more about selling
it with a few great moves.
2910
03:46:47,843 --> 03:46:55,226
Roddy gave me a notebook of his that had lines
that he would give for interviews
2911
03:46:55,684 --> 03:46:57,019
and at wrestling matches.
2912
03:47:04,819 --> 03:47:11,242
That was one he had written down and made
up for I think Playboy Buddy Rose in a match
2913
03:47:11,617 --> 03:47:12,451
they had together.
2914
03:47:13,160 --> 03:47:14,537
So I just used it.
2915
03:47:14,995 --> 03:47:19,333
Roddy and I became good friends and over the
years we would see each other and hang out
2916
03:47:19,750 --> 03:47:20,793
every once in a while.
2917
03:47:21,210 --> 03:47:24,046
One of the sweetest, most gracious human beings
I've ever known.
2918
03:47:26,590 --> 03:47:29,135
I don't think there's been a movie quite like
They Live.
2919
03:47:29,635 --> 03:47:35,474
It stands alone and in terms of its reference
to the politics of the times and so forth.
2920
03:47:37,893 --> 03:47:41,897
I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass
and I'm all out of bubblegum.
2921
03:47:53,701 --> 03:47:57,913
I wanted to do a killer doll movie and I saw
the commercial potential there.
2922
03:47:58,455 --> 03:48:03,043
When we were little kids all of us had thought
to ourselves wouldn't it be cool if our toys
2923
03:48:03,502 --> 03:48:07,965
and playthings came alive...
or wouldn't it be terrifying?
2924
03:48:08,757 --> 03:48:14,346
You saw it in Poltergeist with Tobe Hooper
with the clown coming out from under the bed
2925
03:48:14,847 --> 03:48:16,682
and it was like the biggest scare in the movie.
2926
03:48:16,974 --> 03:48:20,853
That moment made me want to do Child's Play
if I could pull it off.
2927
03:48:21,353 --> 03:48:27,318
I wanted Chucky to be a darkly humorous figure
and in a way, you can sort of reduce Chucky's
2928
03:48:27,860 --> 03:48:34,950
appeal if you're so inclined to a cute little doll that
says fuck a lot and knifes you to death.
2929
03:48:39,288 --> 03:48:43,876
There is something amusing about that because
it's inherently absurd.
2930
03:48:44,877 --> 03:48:47,671
Who's going to believe a little seven-year-old
kid about his doll coming alive?
2931
03:48:47,963 --> 03:48:51,217
With any kind of movie like Child's Play in
order to make it believable you have to add
2932
03:48:51,675 --> 03:48:54,220
that moment where you say, "Look ma, no wires."
2933
03:49:02,519 --> 03:49:07,233
The scariest moment in Child's Play is probably
when Catherine Hicks finally realizes that
2934
03:49:07,858 --> 03:49:11,445
her son, her little boy has been telling the
truth and the doll is malevolently alive
2935
03:49:11,987 --> 03:49:14,865
and she opens the compartment and there are no
batteries in there.
2936
03:49:15,157 --> 03:49:17,785
Okay good, but then you get The Exorcist.
2937
03:49:18,202 --> 03:49:21,914
The head does 180-degree turn and looks up
at her and says,
2938
03:49:22,957 --> 03:49:25,084
Hi, I'm Chucky wanna play?
2939
03:49:26,418 --> 03:49:27,544
It scares the hell out of her.
2940
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:31,882
And I put Brad Dourif's voice behind it
and Brad had played the villain for me in
2941
03:49:32,299 --> 03:49:33,217
Fatal Beauty.
2942
03:49:36,470 --> 03:49:39,515
It's the fiendish glee that Chucky has.
2943
03:49:47,273 --> 03:49:53,779
Chucky subverts the status quo and he goes
after authority figures and he has his way
2944
03:49:54,280 --> 03:49:55,072
with them.
2945
03:49:56,365 --> 03:50:03,914
I think the appeal of the killer doll trope
is partly primal and maybe Freudian.
2946
03:50:08,210 --> 03:50:13,549
I think as long as there are flashlights and
you can turn them on under a chin, under a
2947
03:50:13,882 --> 03:50:17,636
doll, it's sort of a no fail prescription
for terror right there.
2948
03:50:29,565 --> 03:50:35,279
Hellbound is really the story of Kirsty's
descent into hell to look for her father.
2949
03:50:40,993 --> 03:50:46,582
Dr. Channard who was well as being a brain
surgeon has also developed his own fascination
2950
03:50:46,957 --> 03:50:48,500
with lament configurations.
2951
03:50:49,710 --> 03:50:53,422
The blood brings Julia back to life out of
the mattress.
2952
03:50:53,922 --> 03:50:56,967
She becomes Dr. Channard's kind of pet.
2953
03:50:57,426 --> 03:51:01,889
I had talked to Clive obviously a lot about the
character of Pinhead and I knew he had been
2954
03:51:02,264 --> 03:51:02,931
a human being.
2955
03:51:03,349 --> 03:51:08,020
I developed the idea that he was in mourning
for a humanity that he couldn't remember clearly.
2956
03:51:08,520 --> 03:51:15,903
The opening sequence with Elliot Spencer acquiring
the box and being transformed into Pinhead.
2957
03:51:17,780 --> 03:51:22,368
At the end of the film we see the transformation
back when Kirsty confronts him with that
2958
03:51:22,785 --> 03:51:28,415
photograph of Elliot Spencer and he remembers
the humanity that he had lost.
2959
03:51:31,627 --> 03:51:38,008
Hellraiser 2, it gave you an insight into the
Cenobites that wasn't really there with the
2960
03:51:38,300 --> 03:51:39,051
first one.
2961
03:51:39,551 --> 03:51:44,139
Favorite scene from that is when the doctor
is being turned into a Cenobite and then after
2962
03:51:44,556 --> 03:51:46,892
he comes out of the chamber he's like...
2963
03:51:47,351 --> 03:51:50,813
And to think, I hesitated.
2964
03:51:51,188 --> 03:51:53,899
It's so amazing because it's like he went through
2965
03:51:54,358 --> 03:51:57,903
this hell and he didn't want to but then he
comes out afterwards and he's a Cenobite and
2966
03:51:58,195 --> 03:52:00,906
it's like oh, this is what it's all about.
2967
03:52:02,699 --> 03:52:08,580
Shift in the exchange rates shaved a substantial
chunk off the budget and it was decided to
2968
03:52:09,039 --> 03:52:10,833
go ahead in compromised form.
2969
03:52:11,208 --> 03:52:16,964
And it's a shame, it would have given us that
insight into where Clive's notions of this
2970
03:52:17,339 --> 03:52:23,470
realm, this place where the Cenobites are
and the idea of Leviathan that is introduced
2971
03:52:23,846 --> 03:52:28,142
in the screenplay but never really fully explored.
2972
03:52:34,064 --> 03:52:37,151
Troma is a classic cult movie studio we're
the last one.
2973
03:52:37,609 --> 03:52:41,822
We're the only ones who've been able to survive
and the reason is our fans.
2974
03:52:42,197 --> 03:52:45,117
We've got a fan base who are very devoted and
they're very active.
2975
03:52:45,617 --> 03:52:49,288
And now of course with the internet we've
got 500,000 people every month with whom we
2976
03:52:49,663 --> 03:52:50,664
are interacting.
2977
03:52:51,039 --> 03:52:52,082
So, that's the secret.
2978
03:52:52,499 --> 03:52:58,672
Even if the horror film is cheaply, badly made,
horror fans will support you.
2979
03:52:59,131 --> 03:53:00,674
The fans, they're the best.
2980
03:53:01,049 --> 03:53:04,470
It's like you're meeting your people, you're
meeting your tribe.
2981
03:53:05,095 --> 03:53:14,062
They are the most loyal, the most knowledgeable
fan base that anybody could wish to have.
2982
03:53:14,855 --> 03:53:21,820
I feel like horror fans are some of the most
self-actualized people because they allow
2983
03:53:22,112 --> 03:53:27,159
themselves to see and experience the darker
aspects of life.
2984
03:53:27,826 --> 03:53:29,244
We're all kind of the misfits.
2985
03:53:29,661 --> 03:53:32,498
We're all of cultural misfits.
2986
03:53:33,207 --> 03:53:38,170
A lot of us share the same sort of sense of
not being the popular one, being the nerd
2987
03:53:38,545 --> 03:53:42,466
or the geek, which sometimes nowadays is sort
of cool, back then it was not cool.
2988
03:53:43,133 --> 03:53:45,052
So, you bond over these things.
2989
03:53:45,469 --> 03:53:49,806
So, as we get older and we find these groups
of people on social media or at conventions
2990
03:53:50,224 --> 03:53:54,144
you have an immediate understanding and a
bond over the genre.
2991
03:53:54,937 --> 03:54:00,317
Horror fans who love horror and who passed
it down to their children are some of the
2992
03:54:00,692 --> 03:54:02,194
most open people that I know.
2993
03:54:02,694 --> 03:54:08,033
Somebody will show me a picture of me at a
horror convention holding an infant.
2994
03:54:08,575 --> 03:54:12,913
They go, "That's me", and they're now 25 years old.
2995
03:54:13,247 --> 03:54:19,920
I held that person at a horror convention
when they were still shitting themselves.
2996
03:54:21,880 --> 03:54:24,841
And now, they're standing in front of me with
their own kids.
2997
03:54:25,175 --> 03:54:30,472
I've had people come up to me and have me
sign my name and then a couple hours later
2998
03:54:30,806 --> 03:54:33,183
they've gone and tattooed my name on there.
2999
03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:35,852
So they're like fans, those are the real fans.
3000
03:54:36,270 --> 03:54:39,523
I've met horror fans from all walks of life.
3001
03:54:39,982 --> 03:54:43,569
There is no stereotypical one, I don't think.
3002
03:54:44,194 --> 03:54:47,114
That's why it's hard to almost describe the
average horror fan because you can see someone
3003
03:54:47,447 --> 03:54:52,703
walking down the street with a black shirt that has
a horror design on it or ink or whatever
3004
03:54:53,203 --> 03:54:56,665
and then you can also see someone who just came
from a business meeting in a suit and tie
3005
03:54:57,124 --> 03:54:59,710
but then they'll pull up their pants a little
bit to show you their horror socks.
3006
03:55:00,252 --> 03:55:02,504
A horror fan can be anyone, they're everywhere.
3007
03:55:03,005 --> 03:55:06,258
I'm a fan who found his way into the profession.
3008
03:55:06,925 --> 03:55:13,265
I've went to my first convention in 1975 in
Pittsburgh and it gave me a really unique
3009
03:55:13,682 --> 03:55:16,226
sense of being connected with something
that I love.
3010
03:55:16,768 --> 03:55:19,855
I still go to shows as a fan and sometimes
as a guest.
3011
03:55:20,439 --> 03:55:23,692
We celebrate it, we love it, we're passionate
about it.
3012
03:55:24,234 --> 03:55:26,153
What I love about horror, it's this unifier.
3013
03:55:27,154 --> 03:55:28,614
You can be from any walk of life.
3014
03:55:29,323 --> 03:55:32,117
You can be straight, you can be gay, you can
be white, you can be black.
3015
03:55:32,409 --> 03:55:33,493
It doesn't matter.
3016
03:55:33,994 --> 03:55:37,706
Horror knows no race. It knows no sex,
it knows no age.
3017
03:55:38,415 --> 03:55:43,045
Horror is this universal thing that we all
come together over.
3018
03:56:01,813 --> 03:56:03,523
I think The Burbs is a very unique film.
3019
03:56:03,940 --> 03:56:09,279
It is a comedy but it's dark, and that commercially
was a problem.
3020
03:56:09,946 --> 03:56:15,243
It was marketed like a light Tom Hanks comedy
at the time when Tom Hanks was just doing
3021
03:56:15,827 --> 03:56:18,955
very light, fun, enjoyable romps.
3022
03:56:19,539 --> 03:56:25,295
And it has a really dark kind of mean streak
to it, that I think was embraced by Joe Dante.
3023
03:56:30,050 --> 03:56:34,137
The Burbs is nominally a horror film in that
it's about creepy neighbors.
3024
03:56:34,429 --> 03:56:37,265
And when I was a kid, we had people in the
neighborhood who people thought were creepy
3025
03:56:37,724 --> 03:56:41,019
and we would make up stuff about what was going
on in there and you couldn't go there on Halloween
3026
03:56:41,311 --> 03:56:43,188
because then we wouldn't come out
and all that nonsense.
3027
03:56:43,730 --> 03:56:48,443
It's a movie about the way these people behave
when they're basically bored in their suburban
3028
03:56:48,902 --> 03:56:52,280
setting and need to invent some excitement
for themselves.
3029
03:56:59,579 --> 03:57:03,166
In the original script it wasn't explained
what the Klopeks were up to.
3030
03:57:03,834 --> 03:57:08,380
The audience had to imagine it and so all
of these clues of the strange noises at night
3031
03:57:08,714 --> 03:57:12,217
and lights and people digging all that stuff
was just blithely unexplained.
3032
03:57:12,676 --> 03:57:16,722
But then when Torn Hanks was cast the studio
said you can't do the ending we've got now,
3033
03:57:17,222 --> 03:57:19,683
they take him off on an ambulance and he's going
to die. You can't kill Tom Hanks.
3034
03:57:20,058 --> 03:57:21,476
Then we shot three different endings.
3035
03:57:22,060 --> 03:57:24,563
One of which is on the laserdisc and then
one of which got destroyed where they open
3036
03:57:24,938 --> 03:57:28,024
up the trunk and the garbagemen from earlier
in the movie, Dick Miller and Bob Picardo
3037
03:57:28,316 --> 03:57:29,192
are in the trunk.
3038
03:57:29,484 --> 03:57:31,403
And there is another ending where it was full
of cheerleaders.
3039
03:57:31,695 --> 03:57:33,864
So, that was a topical joke and none of which
made it.
3040
03:57:34,281 --> 03:57:36,283
We had ended it up being a bunch of skulls which
we shot later.
3041
03:57:53,759 --> 03:57:58,680
976 - EVIL was Robert Englund's directorial
debut and a lot of people don't know that.
3042
03:57:59,389 --> 03:58:04,436
Especially because it's such a corny idea
for a film but back then 976
3043
03:58:04,853 --> 03:58:08,231
and 1-800 collect and all that like they were a thing.
3044
03:58:08,607 --> 03:58:10,525
Toll numbers were kind of a big deal.
3045
03:58:11,109 --> 03:58:15,655
You would call 976 - EVIL and you had a
line in to the devil.
3046
03:58:18,950 --> 03:58:21,328
You murder this person and I will make you
popular.
3047
03:58:22,204 --> 03:58:26,291
You had this one kid who's this social outcast
and he's kind of nerdy.
3048
03:58:26,917 --> 03:58:30,212
He is giving the devil what he wants and he
is turning into a demon.
3049
03:58:31,797 --> 03:58:33,965
His friend is trying to stop him.
3050
03:58:35,425 --> 03:58:40,347
It's actually kind of a sad really like neat
movie and not as well-known as it should be
3051
03:58:40,680 --> 03:58:45,727
especially for something with Robert Englund
attached. Because at the time, he was huge
3052
03:58:46,269 --> 03:58:47,729
with A Nightmare on Elm Street.
3053
03:58:49,397 --> 03:58:54,694
My favorite part of that, he's at his house
and he has since killed his caretaker.
3054
03:58:58,156 --> 03:59:02,661
His friend and his teacher are coming to the
house to try to either stop him or save him.
3055
03:59:03,203 --> 03:59:07,791
It opens up a gateway to hell and the whole
house freezes because hell froze over.
3056
03:59:08,291 --> 03:59:11,711
So it was kind of a funny little thing that Robert
Englund threw in there.
3057
03:59:26,101 --> 03:59:28,478
Pet Sematary was directed by Mary Lambert.
3058
03:59:28,895 --> 03:59:35,485
One of the few female directors in horror
at that time and it scared the crap out of me
3059
03:59:35,777 --> 03:59:37,112
when I was little.
3060
03:59:37,696 --> 03:59:40,073
I literally slept with the lights on for like months.
3061
03:59:40,699 --> 03:59:45,662
It's based on a novel by Stephen King and
he had to draw from some aspects of his life.
3062
03:59:46,454 --> 03:59:47,831
Probably not the cat coming back.
3063
03:59:54,087 --> 03:59:59,259
But I know that they live on a country road
and his son actually went out in the street
3064
03:59:59,593 --> 04:00:01,887
and he had to save him from a big old truck.
3065
04:00:03,763 --> 04:00:08,518
Gage getting run over is just still to this
day the most traumatizing thing ever.
3066
04:00:09,060 --> 04:00:14,774
Like just tears every time I see that little
foot and his shoe and he's so sweet.
3067
04:00:15,358 --> 04:00:20,030
Pet Sematary is one of those interesting projects
because it touches on a lot of different fears.
3068
04:00:20,447 --> 04:00:27,454
You have Mary Lambert going into the fear
of death and the fear of what happens next.
3069
04:00:27,787 --> 04:00:32,417
Mary Lambert also confronts these things that
a lot of us don't really talk about.
3070
04:00:32,876 --> 04:00:34,586
These deep, dark family secrets.
3071
04:00:35,462 --> 04:00:40,050
Of course Zelda who terrified a whole generation
of horror fans.
3072
04:00:46,556 --> 04:00:50,435
The best thing about this movie for me is
Fred Gwynne and his Maine accent he's doing.
3073
04:00:51,186 --> 04:00:52,854
Sometimes dead is better.
3074
04:00:56,024 --> 04:00:58,860
Well, then why you taking all these bodies
up to the pet sematary Fred?
3075
04:00:59,277 --> 04:01:00,487
Why are you doing that?
3076
04:01:01,696 --> 04:01:06,201
When little Miko Hughes like jumps out of the attic
with his little knife that was a great scene.
3077
04:01:06,618 --> 04:01:09,204
I mean there's some really great scenes in
that movie.
3078
04:01:10,747 --> 04:01:13,458
He's the one who basically does most of the
damage.
3079
04:01:13,750 --> 04:01:15,502
This tiny, little, adorable child.
3080
04:01:16,711 --> 04:01:21,883
When Dale Midkiff basically injects Gage with
the drugs to essentially kill him at the end,
3081
04:01:22,258 --> 04:01:27,639
I love when he's walking down the hallway
and Gage looks at him and goes, "No fair."
3082
04:01:32,268 --> 04:01:35,814
You don't hear Freddy Krueger when he's getting
killed saying no fair.
3083
04:01:36,856 --> 04:01:40,819
It was towards the end of the '80s where you
were starting to see a little bit of a shift
3084
04:01:41,152 --> 04:01:43,905
in the genre and there was a little
bit more of a heaviness.
3085
04:01:44,322 --> 04:01:46,950
And I think Pet Sematary perfectly reflects that.
3086
04:02:02,632 --> 04:02:07,262
Friday the 13th Part 8 is Jason Takes Manhattan
and people were so excited for him to finally
3087
04:02:07,679 --> 04:02:10,348
leave Camp Crystal Lake and go to the Big
Apple, New York.
3088
04:02:10,682 --> 04:02:14,686
Except he spent the whole movie on a boat
and then when he got to New York it was actually
3089
04:02:15,061 --> 04:02:16,271
Vancouver most of the time.
3090
04:02:16,730 --> 04:02:19,024
My favorite kill from this one is actually
kind of a low-key one.
3091
04:02:19,441 --> 04:02:21,067
It's when he kills Kelly Hu.
3092
04:02:23,111 --> 04:02:24,654
That's another kill that I like.
3093
04:02:25,030 --> 04:02:28,158
See I've done so many kills I forget about some
of my favorites.
3094
04:02:28,616 --> 04:02:34,581
Killing Kelly Hu in the disco it made me look
so much better because it was a very low ceiling
3095
04:02:35,081 --> 04:02:36,124
on the dance floor.
3096
04:02:36,666 --> 04:02:40,462
So that we came up with the idea of picking
her up by her neck and choking her against
3097
04:02:40,754 --> 04:02:42,422
the ceiling. Very creative.
3098
04:02:43,048 --> 04:02:47,719
She was so game to do whatever we needed to
do to make it look good because that couldn't
3099
04:02:48,136 --> 04:02:49,387
have been comfortable.
3100
04:02:49,846 --> 04:02:54,476
When I throw the stunt girl, she has to hit
the ground without breaking her fall.
3101
04:02:54,934 --> 04:02:59,731
So, those sometimes are the hardest stunts
to do because you just have to hit
3102
04:03:00,023 --> 04:03:01,232
however you hit.
3103
04:03:04,194 --> 04:03:09,032
They did do one day in New York City in Times
Square and that's the best part of the movie.
3104
04:03:09,657 --> 04:03:14,162
This wide circling shot of Jason Voorhees
in the middle of Times Square.
3105
04:03:18,708 --> 04:03:23,963
We have the entire Times Square area right
in the middle as where we're shooting.
3106
04:03:24,422 --> 04:03:28,718
Hundreds of people are watching, the NYPD
is holding people back.
3107
04:03:29,010 --> 04:03:30,595
I felt like a rock star, man.
3108
04:03:30,887 --> 04:03:35,892
I never took the mask off that whole night
because I didn't want to destroy the image
3109
04:03:36,351 --> 04:03:37,477
of people watching.
3110
04:03:51,825 --> 04:03:54,327
The Stepfather was another one of those great
discoveries.
3111
04:03:54,786 --> 04:03:58,748
I went to an early screening of it knowing
nothing about it and was just so impressed
3112
04:03:59,040 --> 04:04:04,003
by how well it was written, how well it was pulled
off, Terry O'Quinn's performance in the lead.
3113
04:04:04,629 --> 04:04:06,381
It just surprised me in so many ways.
3114
04:04:06,881 --> 04:04:13,012
If you've seen the original film, Joe Ruben
arranges the bodies of his movie family in
3115
04:04:13,388 --> 04:04:20,812
a tableau of blood and body parts and gore
and stillness and silence.
3116
04:04:21,187 --> 04:04:28,361
What I liked about our script in Stepfather
2 the continuation of it, is it had an extraordinary
3117
04:04:28,903 --> 04:04:30,780
macabre variety of humor.
3118
04:04:31,447 --> 04:04:34,617
A very black, sick, twisted sense of humor.
3119
04:04:37,495 --> 04:04:44,544
The scene I like best in the film is when
he puts the body of Meg Foster's suitor.
3120
04:04:44,836 --> 04:04:46,379
He murders him.
3121
04:04:49,924 --> 04:04:53,970
Rolls him up in a rug, puts him in the trunk
of the car and then he takes the guy's car
3122
04:04:54,345 --> 04:04:59,767
to the wrecking yard to dump it. And he spends
his time in the wrecking yard wrecking the
3123
04:05:00,226 --> 04:05:05,106
the car, running into things. So it can be
camouflaged and stay in the wrecking yard.
3124
04:05:08,276 --> 04:05:11,905
And we came to the point where we were going
to shoot my death scene.
3125
04:05:12,739 --> 04:05:17,702
The death scene that was originally scripted
and shot, shows my character going to light
3126
04:05:18,369 --> 04:05:24,709
a fire in her fireplace and Terry O'Quinn
shoves her head into the gas jet.
3127
04:05:25,335 --> 04:05:29,797
And for whatever reason I don't think it necessarily
worked very well.
3128
04:05:30,298 --> 04:05:33,218
I think they wanted something a little more
standard.
3129
04:05:33,885 --> 04:05:36,721
They want to hang you from your wind chimes
in your kitchen.
3130
04:05:40,141 --> 04:05:43,603
It was the prop man's hands that you see around
my throat strangling me.
3131
04:05:44,729 --> 04:05:51,861
And I had to wear a rig and they hung me up
and there's a cat and there you go.
3132
04:06:06,918 --> 04:06:09,003
Society is directed by Brian Yuzna.
3133
04:06:09,379 --> 04:06:15,093
It looks like it's a 90210 Beverly Hills rich
person type of problem situation but it turns
3134
04:06:15,510 --> 04:06:18,763
out that this kids' problems are a lot worse
than you might expect.
3135
04:06:24,352 --> 04:06:27,272
The script was written by Woody Keith and
Rick Fry.
3136
04:06:27,647 --> 04:06:29,649
It was so paranoiac.
3137
04:06:30,024 --> 04:06:33,569
It's not just about a secret society, it's
about class.
3138
04:06:35,363 --> 04:06:37,657
I never could quite call it a horror movie.
3139
04:06:37,949 --> 04:06:39,909
It was just kind of weirder than that.
3140
04:06:46,207 --> 04:06:50,837
It's a sucker punch of a movie because of course,
it pretends that it's some kind of a mystery
3141
04:06:51,296 --> 04:06:53,423
and then it turns into something else.
3142
04:06:53,965 --> 04:06:59,429
This movie's got conspiratorial elements, some
incestual things and a lot of body transformation
3143
04:06:59,929 --> 04:07:03,308
courtesy of Screaming Mad George and it all
culminates in the shunting.
3144
04:07:03,891 --> 04:07:05,643
What's the shunting?
3145
04:07:06,019 --> 04:07:08,438
You kind of just have to see it to understand.
3146
04:07:12,066 --> 04:07:14,944
There are so many images that stick with you.
3147
04:07:15,236 --> 04:07:16,946
Like I can see it all in my head.
3148
04:07:17,238 --> 04:07:19,449
Like everybody's joining and it's just madness.
3149
04:07:19,949 --> 04:07:21,242
An orgy of amazingness.
3150
04:07:21,951 --> 04:07:26,748
The wettest, goofiest movie I've ever seen
because it's just like people turning people
3151
04:07:27,040 --> 04:07:27,915
inside out.
3152
04:07:28,333 --> 04:07:30,960
It definitely showed you that flesh could
be super fluid.
3153
04:07:34,380 --> 04:07:38,593
The most fun I ever had on a set was doing
the shunting because I just felt like I was
3154
04:07:38,968 --> 04:07:40,970
doing what I wanted to do.
3155
04:07:44,015 --> 04:07:47,560
The kid calls his dad a butthead because
back then in the '80s butthead was like
3156
04:07:47,935 --> 04:07:48,978
a big term.
3157
04:07:50,980 --> 04:07:54,025
And we thought yeah, his dad's a butthead let's
make his dad a butthead.
3158
04:07:59,781 --> 04:08:02,617
We had a lot of outtakes that were hilarious.
3159
04:08:03,159 --> 04:08:06,954
I think everybody thought their dad maybe
was a butthead at one time or another.
3160
04:08:07,413 --> 04:08:09,415
Brian really hit it out of the park with that film.
3161
04:08:09,916 --> 04:08:12,627
It's now finally getting the recognition that
it deserves.
3162
04:08:15,963 --> 04:08:21,135
A lot of my friends were actually kind of
embarrassed for me when I showed them Society.
3163
04:08:21,761 --> 04:08:22,970
I thought it was great.
3164
04:08:28,434 --> 04:08:33,731
People think horror movies are kind of mindless
but in actuality they're a way of making statements
3165
04:08:34,065 --> 04:08:37,318
about things that people really are afraid
to talk about.
3166
04:08:37,777 --> 04:08:41,531
I always think that horror movies are very
healthy because they're a way of taking those
3167
04:08:42,031 --> 04:08:46,244
fears and exorcising them in a way
from your system.
3168
04:08:46,994 --> 04:08:51,749
I think the whole reason for repeated viewing
of horror movies particularly the '80s horror
3169
04:08:52,041 --> 04:08:54,127
movies was that it was very cathartic.
3170
04:08:54,752 --> 04:08:56,003
They speak to the emotions.
3171
04:08:56,671 --> 04:09:00,800
This variety of emotions not just the
dark emotions of fear and dread.
3172
04:09:01,092 --> 04:09:03,261
It's adrenaline, it's a drug.
3173
04:09:04,303 --> 04:09:06,222
You know, it's people love that.
3174
04:09:06,597 --> 04:09:12,145
The level of artistry is impressive undeniably
and I think that if you look at the filmmakers
3175
04:09:12,645 --> 04:09:17,400
today that are working hard to uphold some
of the more organic aspects of that work that
3176
04:09:17,817 --> 04:09:23,489
came out of the '80s. It is definitely homage
and it is definitely growing completely out of
3177
04:09:24,198 --> 04:09:27,910
boundary-pushing and advancements that
came out of the '80s that hold up if you go
3178
04:09:28,202 --> 04:09:29,495
back and watch them today.
3179
04:09:30,121 --> 04:09:35,543
The great thing about genre directors in the
'80s, they were thinking what can we make?
3180
04:09:35,960 --> 04:09:37,462
Not what can we remake?
3181
04:09:38,045 --> 04:09:42,967
We're in a degenerate era today where all
they think about is what can we remake?
3182
04:09:43,593 --> 04:09:45,720
Often titles from the '80s.
3183
04:09:46,262 --> 04:09:48,473
They were all about the original script.
3184
04:09:48,973 --> 04:09:52,977
They were all about the original idea, they
were all about what hasn't been done before,
3185
04:09:53,603 --> 04:09:56,189
they were all about what will Hollywood
refuse to make?
3186
04:09:56,647 --> 04:09:57,815
That's what we want to make.
3187
04:09:58,149 --> 04:10:02,111
There's nobody willing to get down and dirty
the way they were in the '80s.
3188
04:10:02,403 --> 04:10:08,493
The problem today is everybody's trying to
please all the people at all the same time
3189
04:10:09,118 --> 04:10:10,244
and you get baby food.
3190
04:10:10,745 --> 04:10:12,455
You can live on baby food but it's very boring.
3191
04:10:12,914 --> 04:10:18,085
Troma is the jalapeño pepper on the cultural
pizza and there are a lot of people who want
3192
04:10:18,586 --> 04:10:21,047
jalapeño peppers on their cultural pizza, right?
3193
04:10:21,547 --> 04:10:24,800
I think as I get older, I don't subscribe
to the term guilty pleasure, maybe when I
3194
04:10:25,259 --> 04:10:28,346
was a kid just because I was trying to defend
myself and my tastes a little bit more.
3195
04:10:28,888 --> 04:10:32,266
Now that we have social media and everybody
is a film critic, we all have these really
3196
04:10:32,642 --> 04:10:38,356
oddball tastes and we should all understand
that while I might like Chopping Mall, I could
3197
04:10:38,856 --> 04:10:40,441
definitely understand why you wouldn't like
Chopping Mall.
3198
04:10:41,067 --> 04:10:42,151
Just love what you love man.
3199
04:10:42,568 --> 04:10:43,903
It's nostalgia.
3200
04:10:44,195 --> 04:10:48,366
It's just well, I saw it when I was 11 so
it's great because there's a certain lizard
3201
04:10:48,783 --> 04:10:51,160
part of your brain that's never going to be
able to look critically at that movie that
3202
04:10:51,494 --> 04:10:52,578
did it for you at that certain age.
3203
04:10:53,037 --> 04:10:54,080
And we all have that movie.
3204
04:10:54,455 --> 04:10:58,751
By that same token, the classics are decided
upon by the masses.
3205
04:11:00,127 --> 04:11:05,591
It's cool to watch these movies that we liked
at the time get this critical reassessment
3206
04:11:06,092 --> 04:11:09,971
after a number of years and to see what gets
sort of like decided as canon.
3207
04:11:11,806 --> 04:11:15,851
There's a real dilemma right now in terms
of what I've been calling the digital divides.
3208
04:11:16,310 --> 04:11:21,649
Stuff was on VHS in the '80s and if it didn't
make the leap to DVD then the odds are that
3209
04:11:22,024 --> 04:11:25,820
much less that it's going to make the leap
to Blu-ray and now the odds are even much
3210
04:11:26,279 --> 04:11:28,864
less that somebody's going to like sell that
transfer streaming rights somewhere.
3211
04:11:29,240 --> 04:11:32,952
And there is stuff that has vanished almost.
3212
04:11:33,244 --> 04:11:34,078
It's film history.
3213
04:11:34,537 --> 04:11:38,958
We talk about how the silent film era, how
75 or 8O percent of the films are all gone.
3214
04:11:39,250 --> 04:11:40,209
How could that happen?
3215
04:11:40,501 --> 04:11:41,961
But we're letting it happen again.
3216
04:11:42,420 --> 04:11:49,093
It's almost our duty as human beings to carry
forth stories and not only as history but
3217
04:11:49,385 --> 04:11:52,138
as just talking about the human conditions.
3218
04:11:52,638 --> 04:11:56,809
It gives generations the opportunity to transfer
information.
3219
04:11:57,351 --> 04:12:02,648
Regarding what we think is bad and evil and
what good society looks like, what bad society
3220
04:12:03,065 --> 04:12:07,278
looks like. I think that information is crucial
to pass down.
3221
04:12:07,612 --> 04:12:09,447
Maybe that's the job of the horror movie.
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