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they talk about every day somewhere if I
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go to a foreign country magic magic
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magic it's same everywhere
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we don't have to see each other we don't
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have to say hello I don't have to call
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each other
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that's my main competition it's always
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been like that
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you know you got this tight bond with
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this cat and
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you don't have to see them for a year to
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but you always gonna be linked on
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we got this connection that's never
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gonna be broken right to our graves
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they'll be talking about this on our
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years from now
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you
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it all began here in Salt Lake City Utah
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on the night of March 26 1979 it was the
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NCAA Championship Indiana State vs
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Michigan State a game that still ranks
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as the highest-rated college final ever
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on television a game that's now
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remembered as a prologue to a rivalry
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that transformed a sport and intertwine
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two legacies
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but on that night March 26 1979 the
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first time Magic Johnson and Larry Bird
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ever went head-to-head on a basketball
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court they were simply two young men
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trying to win a very big ballgame this
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is part of the biggest game I ever play
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in my life and I just feel like you know
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I'm representing not only myself my team
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but we're representing our school or in
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our town Terre Haute was a dream come
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true really for me on I want to state
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title back in my home state and then my
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national confidence was going to the
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NCAA and planning a game like tonight in
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the final they were two stars thrown
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together by the cosmos to compete but
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only one of them had been groomed for
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the spotlight in his case it seemed
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since birth I think his upbringing in
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East Lansing really put that smile on
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his face in the beginning and it never
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came off born August 14 1959 Earvin
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Johnson grew up in Lansing a gritty
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industrial capital city of Michigan
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raised under this little roof he was one
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of Christine and Earvin Johnson seniors
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10 kids Christine was a school custodian
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Irvin senior work two jobs nearly around
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the clock my father he got up early
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every morning 6 o'clock or so and he
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went to work on his trash hauling truck
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every single day around noon he would
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come home catch a nap and then he worked
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for journal motors for 30 years and he
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won a war for never being late and never
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missed a day
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as a youngster Irvin displayed his own
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strong work ethic on the blacktop I was
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out there all day before we went to
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school bus leave at 7:00 7:30 hours I
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said 6:00 6:30 working on my game my
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mother sometimes had to bring me food or
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she would have one of my brothers and
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sister go get that boy so he could eat
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something from a very young age Irvin
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knew what he wanted to do he had all
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planned out my dream for the planet MBA
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and become a businessman the fur
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neighborhood basketball powerhouse
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Sexton high
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I knew the players I knew the tradition
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I wanted to be a part of that and it was
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on the west side of town which was at
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that time predominantly black
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but when lansing like many cities in the
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mid 70s began busing to desegregated
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school system Ervin's journey took an
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unexpected detour to a predominantly
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white school across town my first day at
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Everett high school was my first time I
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really had to understand there was a
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race problem
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nobody white would speak to anybody
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black and nobody black would speak to
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any by the way a lot of racial tension a
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lot of fights rioting they didn't want
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minorities there he kind of shrugged it
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off and basically his attitude was okay
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well I'll overcome this whenever there
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was any racial problems the principal
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would get herbin and go talk to these
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kids I can just see with his big hands
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calm down just calm down he'd break up
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fights talk with his friends tell him
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you know let it go we know we can't
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fight about everything let's just chill
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let's play basketball and there was no
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dispute over urban Johnson's ability to
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play ball his talent was so great that
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soon after his varsity debut a local
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reporter dazzled by his exploits gave
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the budding star a nickname in the
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beginning I thought it was foolish and
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dumb you know I didn't know not about a
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nickname did what happened was you start
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saying wait a minute it fits my game
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hanging out with my boys on the street
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corners we used to sing temptations on
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they start saying hey man Massey that's
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cool and then people in the streets are
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saying hey magic and I said hmm
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he bought into it and I think he felt he
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had to kind of live up to that name and
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I must say that he did he loved more
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attention he got you know he just he
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wanted attention from anybody he could
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get it from dad I really love the game
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and I just want to win
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[Music]
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Irvin loved to dress nice and the belt
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pants and overcoats with the fur around
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the collar always had to have his afro
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blown out he had to look the part played
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a part
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urban was the first guy I have a posse
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he not only had a posse of a lot of
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black kids a lot of white kids and
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hanging around II my white friends are
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like hey man
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we're having a kegger tonight won't you
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come on by and I'm said what's a kegger
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so he said well what it is we get this
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big keg of beer and you just go for it
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okay well what time does the kegger
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start cuz regular party time my neighbor
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who is 10 11 o'clock the kegger starts
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at 7 I said the party starts at 7
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o'clock that's okay man I'm gonna come
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to the kegger we had a good time
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the music was kind of bad but we had a
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good time you know his senior year
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Johnson did it Evert what he had planned
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to do at Sexton win the state
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championship and when it came to
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choosing a college he decided to stay
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where the love would be assured home in
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Lansing next year I will be uh attended
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Michigan State University
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[Applause]
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at MSU magic star quickly went national
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but atop the college game he soon
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discovered a certain presence beside him
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the first time I saw it Larry Barry was
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actually in a magazine saw his stats
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blown away by his stats but let's see if
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he can really do it against us and
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that's always a mindset black players if
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he's a great white player in 1978 after
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his freshman year magic would quickly
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find out when both he and Byrd were
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chosen to play for Team USA in the world
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Invitational Tournament they will put
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Larry Bird and I on the same team
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together to scrimmage right it was
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blowing my mind because he's dominating
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deck Kevin's Player of the Year in
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college basketball Larry Bird has eaten
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him alive
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I couldn't wait to call home to tell my
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boys man this dude named Larry Bird is
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for real this is the baddest white dude
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I've ever seen in my life
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I thought he was very good there's no
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question about it I actually I thought
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he's probably the best guard on the team
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Earvin Johnson look at that I'm reading
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it to play a lot but you could tell I
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think our first game was in Kentucky we
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got about a 10 12 point lead and they
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put us in went to 2530 just that fast
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fast break again three on two
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[Applause]
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Larry Bird take us out the lead go back
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down put us back in Oxford and Johnson
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the show starting again when you play
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with magic there's just something about
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it you want to make that extra pass you
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want to get that rebound and start to
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break we came down a couple times I go
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behind my back no-look to him he know
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looked back to me and I'm laying it up
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I'm still oh hey there's that last play
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Magic Johnson going it drops off the
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bird bird what sit back off inside the
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Johnson Superbad ethic
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this guy got game they had some
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wonderful moments on the court but they
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probably spoke to each other four maybe
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five times during that entire time
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period and and it was more like hello
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how are you this morning Larry
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I'm good magic what'd you have for
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breakfast don't remember have a nice day
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but such curtness was hardly strange
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coming from Larry Bird who is not only
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one of college basketball's best players
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but also its biggest enigma I think he
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was a mystery to the extent that that
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that he wanted to be a mystery he didn't
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enjoy doing interviews he didn't go out
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of his way to do them he wasn't
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particularly good at he was kind of like
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hey this is who I am you uh know who I
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am
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watch the game that's who I am I start
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to read materials that you're very quiet
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and you don't enjoy talking to newspaper
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people well you know there's different
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kind of newspaper paper people others uh
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people that try to push here you know
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that people try to get things out of you
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things
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pertaining to basketball and then the
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type of people I like to stay away from
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he didn't want people talking about his
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family he didn't want his mother to have
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to deal with that or his siblings to
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have to deal with that you got to
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remember where Larry came from you know
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Larry was raised in a two or three room
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house on a railroad track their family
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probably lived on $50 a week he was
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raised tough larry Joburg grew up in
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southern indiana the twin towns of
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French Lick and West Baden the valley as
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locals call it was a tough working-class
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area tiny and remote was one of the
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poorest places in the state I didn't
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know that people made millions of
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dollars I didn't know that everybody had
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a family car I was in a monk hakuna I
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was in small town with the people I knew
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and I thought I would live there for
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risk my life
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arriving Pearl Harbor Day 1956 Larry was
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the fourth of six kids born to Georgia
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and Joburg early on he and his older
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brothers earned a reputation around the
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valley
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we were always considered troublemakers
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were either fighting amongst ourselves
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or there was always one of us fighting
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somebody Larry was always one that kind
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of instigated things you know if I get
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my brother in a fight with somebody his
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age I was happy as hell cause I like to
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see him get beat up and that's just the
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way it was if I got in a
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let's scrape with some kid and my
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brothers didn't come to my side they
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knew that when he got home my dad was
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gonna whip them Larry and my dad were
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best of friends they done everything
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together when my dad would go out to my
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grandma's house Larry I'd always go with
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him they'd go fish and do a lot of
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things together but Joe bird also had a
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darker side stemming from a traumatic
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tour of duty in Korea
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Larry remembers waking up until the
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night here and his father sled curdling
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screams from the nightmares he had had
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from the war what happened to his father
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in the war affected his entire life he
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was never able to quite get rid of
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whatever those demons were a talented
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craftsman Joe Bird struggled to hold
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steady jobs and even when he was working
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his demons would on occasion drive him
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to the bottle there were times when Joe
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went out with the guys and had few beers
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and the wages didn't come home that
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night and that didn't happen every day
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it happened once in a while but when
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money is as tight as it was for the
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birds once in a while was a major
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problem for their family my mom
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sometimes work late
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and sometimes she had two jobs but
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that's the way it was I worked at school
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during my lunch hours work at the local
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grocery store put up hay in the summer I
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mean if you wanted money had you on your
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own
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to young Larry actions spoke louder than
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words he was very quiet kind of hung to
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himself a little bit I saw Larry take an
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F in an English class because he had to
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get up in front of his peers and give a
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speech if I won't do it but he just
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could not get in front of his friends
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and talk he was that shy of course next
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thing you know when he knew it was time
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for all of us together at the gymnasium
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there he'd be the minute he'd get a
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basketball in his hand
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things were totally different basketball
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was just like came to me seemed like
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easy I didn't have the quickness I
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didn't have jumping ability I just
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thought to game out by his senior year
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at Springs Valley High Larry Bird had
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sprouted into a star but Bird was from
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the valley hardly a hotbed of talent in
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the big time world of Indiana hoops the
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first thing they say well they don't
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play nobody down there he's from French
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Lick
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they don't play nobody I think that put
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a chip on his shoulder
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always having to prove who he was and
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how good he was he was good enough for
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Indiana University's Bobby Knight to
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come calling late his senior year and
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folks in the valley couldn't have been
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prouder
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their local hero was heading sixty miles
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north to play bowl for one of the best
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college teams in the land once it got I
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you didn't take long to realize that was
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out of my cocoon and over 30-some
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thousand students that didn't have the
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funds first week and a half I thought
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man this ain't gonna work he left after
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twenty four days let my mother down
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she and talked to me for two months but
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they didn't matter what other people
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says to this day I don't care back in
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French Lick Bird took to working for the
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city
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falling trash and painting park benches
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meanwhile by that winter his father's
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demons had taken him to an even darker
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place by this point Joe and Georgia were
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divorced and he was behind in his
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payments to the family the police came
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by and of course they all knew him so
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Joe said hey I need a few hours to get
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my affairs together before you take me
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away so he called George and he said you
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guys will be better off without me and
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I'm gonna take my life and he put the
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phone down and he killed himself he shot
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himself
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when Dad passed you know it hurt Larry I
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mean that was his best friend it's gone
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now and but Larry didn't show it a lot
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he's just didn't say much and all he's
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just kind of held it within I never I
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never heard him speak out about it at
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all
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I was mad when I heard about it
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and
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as matter after the funeral because I
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thought he sort of cut out on us during
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it a tough time but you know he way he
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went through a lot in his life
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he did what he had to do if bill Hodges
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hadn't been as persistent as he had been
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Larry Bird might never have existed in
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any of our minds I believe that with all
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my heart I really do it was Bill Hodges
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a young coach from Indiana State
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University who convinced Byrd to give
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college hoops another shot so with a
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promise to his mom to graduate bird
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headed to Terre Haute in ISU a school
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that never so much had been to the NCAA
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tournament
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once I started playing it's the same old
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thing you know he's a small school and
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he plan against anybody which is fine
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still dominated wherever is gather they
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no longer top of whether India has a new
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state now his claim to fame is just way
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plays the game Vienna has an in-state
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bird it's not the Cardinal now hilarity
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Kapow
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[Music]
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by the time he had led tiny ISU was a
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senior to a 33 a no record and a spot in
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the 79 title game Larry Bird had become
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alongside Magic Johnson the talk of
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college basketball just a year after
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sharing the court on Team USA they were
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back together and the day before the big
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game magic couldn't wait to greet his
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old playmate Indian state was on
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practicing and we were waiting in a
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tunnel we got there early I wanted to
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definitely say hello to Larry you know
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when they came through it's like nobody
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was saying that I wanted to go toward
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him like his guys like made sure that he
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didn't say none and then they kind of
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start snickering like missing state are
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you in trouble we're gonna kill you guys
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tomorrow I probably did snubbing I'll
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remember it but I'm sure I did I didn't
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want any you know like I call it love
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fest hugging and slapping high fives
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with opponent you're there for a reason
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you're there to win a game that just
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said it's on now
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[Applause]
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it is Indiana State against Michigan
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State I'm Bryant Gumbel and the fans
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here are gone banana I mean let's face
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it if Larry Bird were black and came
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through Chicago it wouldn't have been as
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big a deal they were they were polar
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opposites one black one white one
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outgoing one shy that was the charm of
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the attraction the bird against magic
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all of the superlatives have been used
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and believe me all of the Mithun Ward's
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heading into the tournament magic was
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the bigger star but by tip-off it was
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bird having hardly missed a shot in the
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semi-final would become the focus a fans
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and more importantly of Michigan State
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we actually had two men on Larry
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everywhere he went
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mister prize didn't play a box on one
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you know for guys on Larry and one on
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the other for because that's they didn't
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have a lot of talent you know if you
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stopped Larry you pretty much stopped
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them I didn't play well at all biggest
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game of my life didn't play well
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[Applause]
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I think our length and our size our
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jumping ability was able to bother him
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I didn't you well missed think three
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free-throws Larry Bird has had a cold
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shooting night I battled him but I
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didn't have it
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[Music]
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[Applause]
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national chat
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magic not only where your leader on
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offense I'd let's get a great job on
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Larry Bird in the zone tonight in the
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bowl he has a coach gave him a group
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game plan
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the gorgets Larry Bird all we had to do
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is go out and do it that's what we've
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done
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congratulations super ballgame it was
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over you know that was my four years I
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was done that still hurts and when you
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win thirty three in a row and you walk
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into the game you know you never know
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what to expect but I expect to win we
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didn't win
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toughest loss ever took I knew it what's
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going on time forever cuz we were gonna
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see each other a lot
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the National Basketball Association in
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its 33rd season is troubled by
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diminishing crowds and declining
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television ratings signs that fan
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interest may be waning if college
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basketball was flourishing at the end of
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the 1970s the pro game was crumbling
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after the golden era of Bill Russell and
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Jerry West in the 1960s a merger with
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the ABA in 1976 had led not only to new
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teams but a new temperament it was a new
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league with new times with renegades
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with individuals there was an argument
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made plausibly I think that it was too
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black a league for the United States of
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America in late 1970s you think about
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the Knickerbockers at the time the
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running joke was it was the
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Knickerbockers you know what was do it
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that's what it was it was the in word
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it's turned it off a lot of white white
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customers had to come to the game you
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know why I think that still is a
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conflict between the white and the black
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and I don't enjoy going to the
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basketball and seeing all black players
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I mean I think it's it when they said to
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black they meant not just in terms of
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color but in terms of style let me get
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mine and the hell with yours
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basketball frost was about the best
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moves he wanted to be that big player
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that everybody talked about you want to
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be the one you didn't think about
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winning championships or a team play
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and those were just the issues on the
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court the NBA had this image of an
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all-black league with a bunch of guys
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who did drugs
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the teams were losing money and they had
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no sponsors and that's pretty much a
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death knell right there it's a known
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fact that you need your white super
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stars you just need more white ball
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players on the team for the white fans
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to identify with and in the newest
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member of the Boston Celtics that's
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exactly what the league appeared to be
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getting there's hope he can help solve
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professional basketballs difficulties
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but some say are compounded by a
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question of black and white a great
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white hope what does that mean well you
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know it's very hard to say because
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there's a lot of great white players
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around it and I just hope that I can
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just fit in as well some of the has fit
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in he ran away from that designation he
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made it very clear almost from day one
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that he was not the great white on you
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know the great players are the black
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players near the best such deference
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meant little to black Celtics like
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Curtis Rowe Sidney wicks and Cedric
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Maxwell who looked at Byrd and saw not
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00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:56,710
the great white hope but another case of
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great white height he didn't impress me
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00:24:59,259 --> 00:25:00,940
no more than a white guy I've ever seen
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00:25:00,940 --> 00:25:02,830
play before I think that you would say
549
00:25:02,830 --> 00:25:04,929
that most black players at the time were
550
00:25:04,929 --> 00:25:08,590
racist in in the sense that we did not
551
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:10,809
think that you could find a white guy
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00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:13,019
who could play better than any black guy
553
00:25:13,019 --> 00:25:16,000
well walk in the first air camp them
554
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,620
guys were on the floor stretching and
555
00:25:17,620 --> 00:25:19,600
here comes the white Savior here comes
556
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,960
this here comes that I sort enjoyed it
557
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,460
because I knew I was gonna battle them
558
00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:26,799
all day the Curtis and city didn't last
559
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,059
long they didn't make it through the
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00:25:28,059 --> 00:25:31,360
first practice they were cut so that was
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00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,759
just Cedric I'm thinking oh he's slow he
562
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:36,309
can't get off a shot he's not that
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00:25:36,309 --> 00:25:39,149
strong it's gonna be a layup
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00:25:39,149 --> 00:25:42,660
bail knocks down the jump shot
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00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:47,929
maybe that was luck guess the ball again
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00:25:47,929 --> 00:25:51,360
BAM knocks down another jump shot now
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00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,700
I'm thinking like okay hey you know what
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00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,039
up an adidas guy up I'm the shomers life
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00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,600
20 feet away
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00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,130
pay up 25 feet away BAM my mind just
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00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:03,960
gone something damn this way guy could
572
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,880
play it was a good thing to the storied
573
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,320
Celtics might have been the winningest
574
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,750
team in NBA history but they were fresh
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00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,820
off their worst season in 30 years
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00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:18,100
and in bird they had a player who was
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00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,429
not only supremely talented but tough
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00:26:21,429 --> 00:26:24,070
enough to take on any challenge I always
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00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:25,330
played like here behind the world's
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00:26:25,330 --> 00:26:26,519
against me
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00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:28,989
hello everybody gets me you should think
582
00:26:28,989 --> 00:26:31,649
up things to get me rattled before game
583
00:26:31,649 --> 00:26:34,570
he knew how to fight I know that from
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00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:37,479
off the floor one night somebody was
585
00:26:37,479 --> 00:26:39,940
giving one of his buddies a hard time
586
00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:41,859
and Larry went over and you know said
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00:26:41,859 --> 00:26:43,960
hey you know this my friend this guy was
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00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,299
pretty good-sized guy by golly they go
589
00:26:46,299 --> 00:26:48,820
out back and the guy turns and says
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00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:51,220
something Alerian I mean Larry hit this
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00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:54,580
guy and I caught him hit him so hard I
592
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:57,970
go whoa he was from the old school and
593
00:26:57,970 --> 00:27:03,489
that's how we play Larry Bird baby play
594
00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:08,139
the game hard played rough there was no
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00:27:08,139 --> 00:27:10,450
frills about him he came in he threw
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00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:11,259
elbows
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00:27:11,259 --> 00:27:13,820
there was nothing smooth about Larry
598
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:16,510
[Music]
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00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:19,429
New Englanders like that they're
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00:27:19,429 --> 00:27:21,290
hard-working people they like that's how
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00:27:21,290 --> 00:27:23,390
people view them and that's what Larry
602
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:30,710
was they also like winners
603
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:33,020
when Byrd led the Celtics to the NBA
604
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:35,059
championship in just his second season
605
00:27:35,059 --> 00:27:40,940
he was finally one of those two Boston
606
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:43,790
loved Larry Bird it just wasn't so clear
607
00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:45,770
at first how much Bird loved the city
608
00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:47,600
back there's only one place I'd rather
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00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,679
be French Lick Thank You Man Larry was
610
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:54,200
almost agoraphobic in his treatment of
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00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,809
anything outside his hometown he wanted
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00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,580
to be the Wizard of Oz he wanted to
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00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:01,040
intimidate people and keep them at bay
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00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,100
the further we are away from each other
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00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:08,179
the more I like I had a nice little
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00:28:08,179 --> 00:28:12,559
house I had my little yard I want to go
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00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,630
from there to practice back if we had a
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00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:16,850
game coming up I want to go there the
619
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:20,660
game and back home it was all basketball
620
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:23,600
whole life was basketball if he was just
621
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,190
sitting there which just means you were
622
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:27,320
looking around mumbling trying to find
623
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,790
things that we had in common that we
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00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,559
could talk about now we start talking my
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00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,300
basketball so tell my players was you
626
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,300
know that was great uh US history
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00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,460
no you know we forced passes we made
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00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:40,490
airs down the stretch daily events no I
629
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:42,440
made the shot and from then always up by
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00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,270
two and they had to get back in the game
631
00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:47,510
which they did politics no try to not do
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00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:49,550
anything I can't do or do no more than
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00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:50,960
what I can do I just got to try to do my
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00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080
basic game he proudly dubbed himself the
635
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,300
hick from French Lick and he looked
636
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,970
every bit the part but those who played
637
00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:01,240
him for simple did so at their own peril
638
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,130
one of the great ways I think of winding
639
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:05,540
up with no money in your pocket is to
640
00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:06,910
think Larry Bird is dumb
641
00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:10,309
syntax is not intelligence unlettered is
642
00:29:10,309 --> 00:29:11,000
not stupid
643
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,280
he's got a great sense of humor he just
644
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,380
didn't show that to people that didn't
645
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:17,600
mean he didn't have it he did however
646
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,210
allow the public one small indulgence
647
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:22,760
you could come out on Saturday and watch
648
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,550
him mow his lawn huge crowds would stop
649
00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:27,830
Larry Bird's couldn't grass or front us
650
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:32,059
oh he's mowing his lawn in the
651
00:29:32,059 --> 00:29:32,990
springtime
652
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:35,690
Larry is about doing things himself and
653
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:37,910
I think it's one of the things that made
654
00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:40,880
him so beloved in Boston but his bird
655
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,490
navigated through his new world he still
656
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,610
had one eye fixed on a familiar foe in a
657
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:54,650
faraway land what tripped me out was I'm
658
00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:58,940
riding right I'm riding in a limo I'm
659
00:29:58,940 --> 00:30:02,150
seeing orange trees and lemon trees in
660
00:30:02,150 --> 00:30:05,960
people's front yards to stop I gotta go
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00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,410
pick up orange are you crazy I said no I
662
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:13,190
gotta do this and so I ran up like a
663
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:15,679
like a scared little kid grabbed all her
664
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:18,740
head back to the liver I've never seen
665
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:21,230
an orange tree I had never seen a lemon
666
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:25,100
tree I was fascinated when 20 year-old
667
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,290
Earvin Johnson arrived in Los Angeles in
668
00:30:27,290 --> 00:30:30,200
the fall of 1979 he was a world away
669
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,540
from Lansing the only home he'd ever
670
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:35,090
known he was the number one pick of the
671
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:37,820
LA Lakers a once dominant franchise
672
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:40,910
stuck in mediocrity in the stoical
673
00:30:40,910 --> 00:30:43,340
Kareem abdul-jabbar the Lakers had tap
674
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:47,419
was energy Irvin Magic Johnson was only
675
00:30:47,419 --> 00:30:49,290
too happy to provide it
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[Music]
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00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,610
lit the place up change the franchise
678
00:30:56,610 --> 00:30:58,770
change the temperament I ain't changed
679
00:30:58,770 --> 00:31:05,580
it from the very first game here it was
680
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:09,240
the first game of a long season against
681
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,080
the lowly clippers and magic was
682
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
embracing Kareem as if they'd just won
683
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,180
their 10th straight championship it was
684
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:20,820
like man this is a different kind of
685
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:28,740
dude from the day he arrived he became
686
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:30,750
the Prince of the city he reminded me of
687
00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:32,370
a guy who wakes up without an alarm
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00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:33,750
clock that's what I used to always say I
689
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:35,340
want to be happy enough to wake up
690
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:36,990
without an alarm clock because I want to
691
00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:40,580
go into my world
692
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:44,000
[Music]
693
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,180
he had it what it is as far as I was
694
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:50,700
concerned the it was not his ability or
695
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,670
his size the it was his attitude was his
696
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:55,680
leadership was his mind I mean I don't
697
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,170
have to talk about game 6 at
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00:31:58,170 --> 00:31:59,010
Philadelphia
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00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,440
Magic Johnson well shop in his rookie
700
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,330
season magic had helped lead the Lakers
701
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:05,010
to the NBA Finals against the
702
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,390
Philadelphia 76ers
703
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:09,240
in game 6 with an injured abdul-jabbar
704
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,360
back home in LA magic played all five
705
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,660
positions scored 42 points grabbed 15
706
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:17,820
rebounds and dished out 7 assists
707
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:20,040
leading the Lakers to the championship
708
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,280
in just four years he'd won titles in
709
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,910
high school college and the pros magic
710
00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:28,710
what do you have that makes you perform
711
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:30,060
like this in these championship games
712
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:34,080
well no no it says I love to win cross
713
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:34,920
the mast-head
714
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,380
of the Los Angeles Times the next day it
715
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,610
said it's magic he was a star when he
716
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,320
first arrived here coming off the nc2 a
717
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,450
game and quickly during that first
718
00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:48,150
season he became one of these stars in
719
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:51,420
town but that game put him on another
720
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:58,380
that made him be star in town it's funny
721
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:00,360
how I wanted to meet the celebrities but
722
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,670
they wanted to meet me I was like
723
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:08,400
shocked how do you know who I am he was
724
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,950
young famous and after Lakers owner
725
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:13,230
Jerry Buss signed him to a 25 year
726
00:33:13,230 --> 00:33:15,780
twenty five million dollar contract very
727
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:18,810
rich the kid from Lansing was ready to
728
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:21,180
sample a different kind of fruit his
729
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:22,320
playboy boss
730
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,470
knew all the ripe is trees I say oh I'm
731
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:27,420
hanging with him when they were coming
732
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:30,300
into the box and he had ten 20 of them
733
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,040
and looked everything which one you want
734
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,390
oh okay it's like that and then he said
735
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:38,340
I'm gonna take you to the Playboy
736
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:43,290
Mansion what the mansion no you kidding
737
00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:47,250
yeah so I went there and my first time
738
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:49,380
I'm backing up like I can't believe I'm
739
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:51,390
in but I'm backing up away you know it's
740
00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:54,000
like I'm scared to death probably ten
741
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,540
guys to a hundred women you know
742
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:59,160
everybody think is sex driven but it's
743
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,250
really not you you you have dinner then
744
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:04,800
you watch the latest movie and then of
745
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,330
course I don't want to ever say that sex
746
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:09,000
wasn't involved because if you meet
747
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,530
somebody and that's what you know you
748
00:34:10,530 --> 00:34:13,260
wanted to do you did that but it's
749
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:16,340
really a great experience to go up there
750
00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:20,219
so yeah I had fun there well he came to
751
00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:22,889
LA like the Pied Piper you know people
752
00:34:22,889 --> 00:34:24,239
were giving him this and giving him that
753
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,250
but you know he stayed pretty grounded
754
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:29,130
to the game everybody was getting high
755
00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:32,190
there but you can't even smoke a joint
756
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,900
around magic he had real old-school down
757
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,960
in the trenches work ethic and that was
758
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,540
honed in him by his dad
759
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,120
Earvin Johnson senior magic was always
760
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,989
this guy you know he never did none of
761
00:34:48,989 --> 00:34:52,620
that so I did everything for him Magic
762
00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:55,409
Johnson was living on a natural high he
763
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:56,989
was starring in the role of a lifetime
764
00:34:56,989 --> 00:34:59,850
point guard of a Hollywood team with an
765
00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:01,620
offense called Showtime
766
00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:04,830
he even had the alter ego perfect for
767
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:05,550
the production
768
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:08,730
I mean magic was his stage name even he
769
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:10,720
would laugh about it
770
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,470
[Music]
771
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:15,540
well he always says there's two people
772
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:18,030
as Earvin Johnson from East Lansing and
773
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:19,530
there's Magic Johnson from Hollywood
774
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:23,069
Herman Johnson is another guy you know
775
00:35:23,069 --> 00:35:26,099
he is Magic over here and his urban over
776
00:35:26,099 --> 00:35:35,569
here Berman this fun-loving guy magic
777
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:39,599
was so serious and dedicated to his game
778
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:43,530
and he was a crazy crazy competitor and
779
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:48,900
a crazy man Irvin I think is the smiling
780
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:51,470
kid from Lansing I think curvin died
781
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:54,690
about 25 minutes after the n-c-double-a
782
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:55,560
championship game
783
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,050
Irvin doesn't have the ego that magic is
784
00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:02,490
magic got a crazy ego and winning is
785
00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:06,060
everything and Irvin wanted to along
786
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:10,140
with magic conquer LA after having led
787
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:12,150
the Lakers to two NBA titles in their
788
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,329
first four years in town magic and Irvin
789
00:36:15,329 --> 00:36:20,849
were well on their way I imagine want to
790
00:36:20,849 --> 00:36:22,260
be friends with Larry Bird he wanted to
791
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:23,130
be friends with them on the world
792
00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:25,319
Invitational Tournament and Larry just
793
00:36:25,319 --> 00:36:27,150
wasn't very receptive I think he wanted
794
00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:28,440
to be friends with him during the final
795
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,819
four Larry wouldn't even go over and
796
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:30,599
shake his hand
797
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,520
so now magic saying well what's with
798
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,290
this guy everybody loves me how come you
799
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:35,940
don't love me and then they get to the
800
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:37,290
rookie year the first time they play
801
00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:38,700
each other well they have a very hard
802
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:43,470
foul and I have to be separate a little
803
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,119
bit and majus alright well I have with
804
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,339
this guy you don't like me fine alright
805
00:36:47,339 --> 00:36:48,930
good I don't like you either
806
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:51,930
you know he's a very competitive play
807
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:54,420
and I'm a very competitive player we go
808
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,750
head-to-head we go for blood almost the
809
00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:00,690
vibe was it was nasty was ugly was so we
810
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:02,490
didn't like each other I'm the one who
811
00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:06,410
did all that tell you truth it was
812
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,650
I just want to be hanging around him I
813
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:11,650
mean as my main competition and he
814
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:13,420
couldn't escape the memory of losing to
815
00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:13,810
him
816
00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:17,530
in 1979 oh it hated him bad that he
817
00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:19,540
didn't win that national title against
818
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:23,050
magic there was something just burning
819
00:37:23,050 --> 00:37:24,700
it was one thing for them to be in the
820
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,070
79 championship magic had the better
821
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:29,140
team everybody agreed with that magic
822
00:37:29,140 --> 00:37:31,240
had the better game fine now you get to
823
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,890
the pros Larry has this incredible year
824
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,380
but there he is watching in a club while
825
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,790
magic Johnson wins a championship and
826
00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:42,550
he's thinking all right I'm behind tuna
827
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:45,609
nothing now yeah I watched that game and
828
00:37:45,609 --> 00:37:50,200
I couldn't believe it I always want to
829
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,180
play at that level but what Bird
830
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:54,640
couldn't possibly have known was that he
831
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,250
had inspired magics performance when he
832
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:59,200
was named Rookie of the Year earlier
833
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,660
that same day the PR person from the
834
00:38:01,660 --> 00:38:03,609
Lakers says hey Irvin the Rookie of the
835
00:38:03,609 --> 00:38:05,560
Year voting has come out a magic says
836
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,970
okay well who won he said well Larry
837
00:38:06,970 --> 00:38:08,710
Bird won and magic says what was it
838
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:14,109
close and he said oh no he went out that
839
00:38:14,109 --> 00:38:15,490
day yes to try to win the NBA
840
00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:17,170
championship but also to prove it 2-1
841
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:19,089
Larry Bird you know what I should have
842
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:21,010
been rookie in here even though I won
843
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:22,450
the championship I still wonder when
844
00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:25,000
Rick a year too he won that championship
845
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,470
I was pissed I wanted one but even after
846
00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:31,540
he had won one the next year his
847
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:35,170
obsession only grew deeper I'd get up in
848
00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:36,790
the mornings and see what he did because
849
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:38,360
her games came on late
850
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,210
look at the box score I had to have him
851
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:43,840
there for some reason like a crutch
852
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,020
somebody compared myself to I hate it
853
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:49,640
what was being said that Larry was
854
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,890
better than me and I'm just a guy who
855
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:54,560
can control the game my first four or
856
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,890
five years I bothered me a lot I didn't
857
00:38:57,890 --> 00:39:00,250
tell nobody it bothered me but it did
858
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:03,170
their competitive dislike emerged from a
859
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:05,720
greater truth but on the court they were
860
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:10,040
doppelgangers team-oriented stars who
861
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,370
cared about winning above all else
862
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:15,050
basketball savants who fused the
863
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:17,390
substance of the 60s with a style of the
864
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:20,240
70s to create a new and exciting yet
865
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:21,950
selfless way to play the game in the
866
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:26,930
1980s yeah I'm gonna pass but I'm gonna
867
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:28,400
pass in a way to make you look like a
868
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
jackass
869
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,960
there were so similar in the way they
870
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,630
compete
871
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:36,099
I mean if there were two halves of the
872
00:39:36,099 --> 00:39:38,200
same brain
873
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,630
same craziness to exhale I've seen that
874
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,619
first couple days I was with him
875
00:39:44,619 --> 00:39:47,529
basketball i.q off to charm
876
00:39:47,529 --> 00:39:49,920
Cena game will different most players
877
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,049
plan a game the right way was everything
878
00:39:53,049 --> 00:39:55,029
a lot of guys can just score a lot of
879
00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:57,940
guys can just rebound long guys can just
880
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:59,920
make plays we can do it all Larry and
881
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,510
magical control the game with 12 shots
882
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:03,490
it was amazing maybe 7 for 12 they'd
883
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:06,549
have 20 points 15 rebounds and 12
884
00:40:06,549 --> 00:40:08,559
assists and you go Mandy I shot the ball
885
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:09,940
12 times was the best player on the
886
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:13,150
court by far I think it was tough at
887
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:14,440
first I don't think either one of them
888
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,029
wanted to recognize if they had any
889
00:40:16,029 --> 00:40:18,309
equal anywhere in what they do but they
890
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:19,809
sure as hell didn't want to recognize if
891
00:40:19,809 --> 00:40:20,980
they're equal happen to be that other
892
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:23,589
guy that's why we hated each other to Co
893
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:25,599
we knew we were mirrors of each other I
894
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,609
did for a while the two of them had it
895
00:40:27,609 --> 00:40:30,490
had to come to grips with that they had
896
00:40:30,490 --> 00:40:32,890
begun changing the game but with
897
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:34,660
continued low television ratings and
898
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:37,119
tape-delayed finals the league was
899
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,700
struggling to get the word out when the
900
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,430
NBA and CBS signed a new TV deal before
901
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:45,940
the 8283 season the rescue plan was
902
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:49,660
simple sell more burden magic and sell
903
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:50,980
them not just as ball players
904
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:53,799
but his arch rival characters in their
905
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:58,059
own dramatic saga you got this slick
906
00:40:58,059 --> 00:41:00,309
Showtime african-american guy out west
907
00:41:00,309 --> 00:41:02,009
and you got the lunch bucket
908
00:41:02,009 --> 00:41:04,359
floppy-haired white guy with the bruises
909
00:41:04,359 --> 00:41:06,190
all over his body it's central casting
910
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:08,170
it's perfect I mean this was like made
911
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:09,039
in heaven
912
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,519
in 1979 this idea of magic and bird was
913
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,069
created and so that was sort of a
914
00:41:15,069 --> 00:41:17,440
no-brainer we'd have a doubleheader it
915
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,599
would be the Celtics plane first in the
916
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,190
Lakers playing second and that's the way
917
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:22,150
we did it
918
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:23,980
and when the Celtics and Lakers both
919
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:25,720
reached the finals just a year into the
920
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,380
new TV deal in 1984 it appeared the
921
00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:31,539
superstar investment was about to pay
922
00:41:31,539 --> 00:41:33,789
off it was huge it was probably the
923
00:41:33,789 --> 00:41:35,410
biggest moment the NBA had up to that
924
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:37,960
point he had Boston in LA East against
925
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,910
West it had all the elements of a
926
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:42,190
classic showdown including what was
927
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:44,920
becoming the most inescapable element of
928
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,559
all did we know that blacks and whites
929
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,359
were lining up the whites with the south
930
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:50,920
as the blacks were of course we knew
931
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,690
that even in the Celtics own backyard
932
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:57,190
they land at Logan Airport at the 84
933
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:59,140
Finals he's getting accosted by various
934
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:00,549
people who were telling him Larry's
935
00:42:00,549 --> 00:42:02,920
gonna take him down but this one older
936
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,420
african-american gentleman cuz after he
937
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,829
goes magic I want to wish you well good
938
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:07,180
luck I want you to crush the cells cuz
939
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:09,549
he said oh where are you from he said
940
00:42:09,549 --> 00:42:10,510
well I'm from Boston
941
00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:12,670
they said you're from Boston and you're
942
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:13,630
rooting for the Lakers I thought
943
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:15,369
everybody here was crazy about the
944
00:42:15,369 --> 00:42:16,809
Celtics and he looked right at me said
945
00:42:16,809 --> 00:42:18,160
now why would I root for those white
946
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,339
boys
947
00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:24,790
Boston after all was a town still
948
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:26,950
scarred by the ugly busing crisis of the
949
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:30,280
mid 70s a violent period of urban unrest
950
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,140
during which white had been pitted
951
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:34,990
against black the resulting taint on the
952
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:37,150
city nationally coupled with a Boston
953
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:39,070
roster littered with white players a
954
00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:41,620
firm too many black Americans that the
955
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:44,260
Celtics were not the team for them even
956
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:46,720
the day people's that play with the
957
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,380
southern scene
958
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:49,330
you know I hated you at that time you
959
00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:52,360
know I wanted magic to win I didn't want
960
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,490
that damn Larry Bird to win we had all
961
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:56,560
these black players but they looked at
962
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,570
because we had Larry Bird leading us as
963
00:42:58,570 --> 00:43:02,770
a team that was white they were perfect
964
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:04,420
archetypes for what was becoming the
965
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:07,270
biggest story in sports but for the
966
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:09,520
real-life players the narrative was much
967
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,970
simpler it's finally gonna happen we get
968
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:15,970
to go head to head again it's just a
969
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,740
matter of rolling that ball out there
970
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:20,740
and let's get it on welcome into the
971
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:22,720
Boston Garden and the start of the NBA
972
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,140
World Championship Series I'm Brent
973
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:28,990
Musburger in each of the last four NBA
974
00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:31,150
World Championship Series either magic
975
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,910
or bird has competed but this is the
976
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:35,590
first time that the two have gone
977
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:37,870
head-to-head for the time
978
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:42,210
[Applause]
979
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:45,580
and we jumped out on that first game and
980
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:51,700
we won in Boston and with less than a
981
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:54,250
minute to go in Game two the Lakers were
982
00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:57,450
closing in on a commanding series lead
983
00:43:57,450 --> 00:44:01,370
[Applause]
984
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:08,360
from that point on things began to
985
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:14,330
crumble manic trying to work on Maxwell
986
00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:16,790
magic until got it down to the second
987
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:20,350
one second he's got
988
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,610
cheesy Johnson drilling the time out
989
00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:29,020
what do it
990
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:31,970
the Lakers regained their stride in Game
991
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:35,990
three only to be rudely knocked off it
992
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:38,090
again in Game four
993
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:42,039
[Applause]
994
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:50,710
Kurt Rambis got taken out we started
995
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:59,560
fighting instead of playing George R and
996
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,260
it made us realize we were not mentally
997
00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:04,720
tougher than the Celtics Magic's just
998
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,820
not himself be sure they won't let the
999
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:08,480
time run out as they did
1000
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,190
[Applause]
1001
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:15,739
we're number of places where you even
1002
00:45:15,739 --> 00:45:18,200
didn't do what people expected him to do
1003
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,350
[Music]
1004
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:22,910
[Applause]
1005
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:25,809
[Music]
1006
00:45:25,809 --> 00:45:28,809
missus
1007
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,210
Johnson this is a mode something's want
1008
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:36,240
a timeout respondent Magic Johnson goes
1009
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,750
to the bench
1010
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:41,600
[Applause]
1011
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,630
[Music]
1012
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Game five went to the Celtics game six
1013
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,440
to the Lakers was like 1979 all over
1014
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:54,950
again
1015
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:58,190
down to one game for Bird and Magic if
1016
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:59,720
everybody had to look at it probably
1017
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:01,610
would have said it's gonna be seven game
1018
00:46:01,610 --> 00:46:02,330
series
1019
00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:05,060
I thought we sweep them in four but it's
1020
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:06,500
one little bit longer now we kept doing
1021
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:11,450
seven that's the only time I ever felt
1022
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:12,920
that they know why they're walking out
1023
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,430
here with a win
1024
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:29,260
[Applause]
1025
00:46:32,279 --> 00:46:35,489
the lake
1026
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:41,510
[Applause]
1027
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:44,609
[Music]
1028
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:46,130
[Applause]
1029
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:47,800
[Music]
1030
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,530
[Applause]
1031
00:46:50,530 --> 00:46:52,390
[Music]
1032
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:54,600
the Boston Celtics on the
1033
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,460
[Music]
1034
00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:57,970
[Applause]
1035
00:46:57,970 --> 00:47:05,859
I pride myself in being the guy who's
1036
00:47:05,859 --> 00:47:09,730
going to win it for us and and deliver
1037
00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:14,980
under pressure and it didn't happen I
1038
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:17,800
hope he was hurt over killed him he made
1039
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,540
some bad plays down the stretch nobody
1040
00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:21,700
in there was happier than me you know
1041
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:23,170
not only when the game makes you feel
1042
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:24,250
good but just knowing the other guy
1043
00:47:24,250 --> 00:47:26,440
suffering and you know he was I remember
1044
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,210
after the game that both the E and I
1045
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:31,630
were in the showers crying and stayed in
1046
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:34,630
there for about 3540 minutes it was hard
1047
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:37,390
because not only had we lost to the
1048
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:39,099
Boston Celtics he had lost to his
1049
00:47:39,099 --> 00:47:40,380
nemesis Larry Bird
1050
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:43,390
[Music]
1051
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:45,670
I think he just made me just like him
1052
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:47,859
you know because he was that good and
1053
00:47:47,859 --> 00:47:51,339
and I think you you be jealous jealous a
1054
00:47:51,339 --> 00:47:54,190
little bit Larry there's this yet you
1055
00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:56,230
even with magic or what happened between
1056
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:58,950
Michigan State Indiana State all those
1057
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,569
professionals now but I want this one
1058
00:48:01,569 --> 00:48:03,309
for Terre Haute well it was a big deal
1059
00:48:03,309 --> 00:48:04,990
I'm ever asking Quinn Buckner about it
1060
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:06,730
afterwards they had a celebration in
1061
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:08,170
downtown Boston after they won the
1062
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:10,359
championship and you know it was unusual
1063
00:48:10,359 --> 00:48:12,190
for Larry to have these little outbursts
1064
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,049
as Quinn would call them but you know
1065
00:48:14,049 --> 00:48:16,240
about 11:30 at night finally he turned
1066
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,029
to quit he goes I got him I finally got
1067
00:48:19,029 --> 00:48:22,859
him and he was talking about magic
1068
00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:28,780
the lead was rejoicing to Game seven of
1069
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:31,089
the 84 series was one of CBS's
1070
00:48:31,089 --> 00:48:33,940
highest-rated telecasts of the year the
1071
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:36,460
highest-rated game the NBA had ever
1072
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:37,270
produced
1073
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:40,660
all of a sudden whether it was at CBS or
1074
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:42,819
Madison Avenue the sports writers around
1075
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:45,609
the country became phenomena what is
1076
00:48:45,609 --> 00:48:48,099
happening here the absolute foundation
1077
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:50,290
in this resurgence was the Celtics in
1078
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:53,400
the Lakers Larry Bird and Magic Johnson
1079
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,069
but magic was in no mood to bask in the
1080
00:48:57,069 --> 00:49:00,660
accomplishment I took up a media beating
1081
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:04,329
tragic magic this is why we say Larry
1082
00:49:04,329 --> 00:49:07,030
Bird is better it's probably the first
1083
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:09,910
time ever in my life I was depressed and
1084
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:12,400
I didn't want people to see me it was
1085
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,069
something I never dealt with in my life
1086
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:16,960
that particular series that championship
1087
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,030
series redefined his whole career
1088
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:20,920
because he never stopped working after
1089
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,160
that magic was on a mission to prove to
1090
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,020
himself in the world that with the ball
1091
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:28,119
in his hands he was still the one in
1092
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:29,490
control
1093
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:31,859
and after his Lakers ran through the 85
1094
00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:34,020
season he quickly got what he wanted
1095
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:37,500
another shot at burden the Celtics they
1096
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,230
one of these we won the West so it's
1097
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:42,000
like uh everybody just get ready sit
1098
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,440
back and let's enjoy it but that smile
1099
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,869
bolide the intensity of the clash that
1100
00:49:48,869 --> 00:49:53,310
awaited if I had a glass of water and
1101
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:55,410
any of those guys had been on fire
1102
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:59,330
I was drank the water and watch them
1103
00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:02,400
they called us you know chokers and
1104
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
sissies we didn't like that and they
1105
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,660
thought less of us I knew they did 85 we
1106
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:11,160
played him four times in exhibition
1107
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,510
season for some reason I don't know why
1108
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,640
they scheduled that by the fourth game
1109
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,509
there was an all-out brawl
1110
00:50:17,509 --> 00:50:19,399
they call this one of the greatest
1111
00:50:19,399 --> 00:50:21,589
rivalries in all of sport the Celtics
1112
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:24,469
the Lakers and if that is true it is the
1113
00:50:24,469 --> 00:50:26,989
most one-sided rivalry in all of sports
1114
00:50:26,989 --> 00:50:28,849
eight times these two have met for the
1115
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:31,189
NBA championship and eight times the
1116
00:50:31,189 --> 00:50:34,249
Celtics have won at card in his sixth
1117
00:50:34,249 --> 00:50:38,029
year for Michigan State at number 32
1118
00:50:38,029 --> 00:50:41,640
but in the 85 Finals magic changed the
1119
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,789
script over six grueling games he
1120
00:50:44,789 --> 00:50:46,559
masterfully controlled the pace with
1121
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,079
all-around brilliance he has a
1122
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,559
triple-double again behind their point
1123
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,259
guard the Lakers finally knocked out the
1124
00:50:55,259 --> 00:50:58,529
Celtics winning the clinching game in
1125
00:50:58,529 --> 00:51:09,299
the Boston Garden redemption but one
1126
00:51:09,299 --> 00:51:11,579
Magic Johnson is a long year last year
1127
00:51:11,579 --> 00:51:14,969
to wait for this moment right now magic
1128
00:51:14,969 --> 00:51:16,949
had even the score with bird on the NBA
1129
00:51:16,949 --> 00:51:19,469
floor but the significance of their
1130
00:51:19,469 --> 00:51:22,440
rivalry and their relationship was still
1131
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:29,029
just taking hold you crazy
1132
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:33,869
I said you crazy I'm not shooting a
1133
00:51:33,869 --> 00:51:36,239
commercial with Larry so I said okay
1134
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,380
what we're gonna shoot it in LA I would
1135
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:42,449
never want to LA to film it or we gonna
1136
00:51:42,449 --> 00:51:43,300
shoot
1137
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:47,360
[Music]
1138
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,250
you want to shoot commercial come to my
1139
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:50,280
house
1140
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,480
[Music]
1141
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,850
Oh Oh No
1142
00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:58,660
[Music]
1143
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:02,660
one stoplight and I thought Lansing
1144
00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:05,690
small I think the plan was i'ma go here
1145
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:08,060
i'ma do what I'm posed to do and I'm
1146
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:10,550
trying to get up out of here my plan was
1147
00:52:10,550 --> 00:52:14,330
that even after converse had convinced
1148
00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:16,100
magic and bird to film a sneaker at
1149
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,860
together in the summer of 85 a question
1150
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:21,950
remained how would the two hated rivals
1151
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:25,040
on the court get along off of it I don't
1152
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,600
know how he's going to react I don't
1153
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,100
know how I'm gonna react
1154
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:29,990
we even shake hands so how are we gonna
1155
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:32,720
do a commercial together the ad was to
1156
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,610
be filmed at the home bird had built for
1157
00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:36,530
his mom it featured a full-length
1158
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:38,930
basketball court the day's first
1159
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:42,200
location so they say okay you playing
1160
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,840
one-on-one and I'm looking at Larry and
1161
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,360
he's looking at me like is this real are
1162
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,910
we playing planned cuz you know this
1163
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:52,910
this is this is magic and Burt I could
1164
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:54,830
just hear Larry you know starting in on
1165
00:52:54,830 --> 00:52:56,810
well you bring it to the basket I'm
1166
00:52:56,810 --> 00:52:59,420
gonna send it 30 rows up so the guy was
1167
00:52:59,420 --> 00:53:01,970
like no no not like that a fun game
1168
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:06,080
we're both okay like like you can see
1169
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,420
this relief coming over both of our face
1170
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:11,960
that brief day taunt led to the next
1171
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,350
stage dialogue we sat down next to each
1172
00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:18,260
other how is your something oh it's
1173
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:20,790
going good how is yours
1174
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:23,820
oh great said man it's a nice spread you
1175
00:53:23,820 --> 00:53:27,360
got these aspects is where you play I
1176
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,910
said yeah I play here if it's not windy
1177
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:31,410
if it's raining or windy I go to the gym
1178
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:34,260
but this is where I do all my work I see
1179
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:36,180
that tractor you work on it unattractive
1180
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:39,680
female I work on this tractor every day
1181
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,450
laborer work on the tractor it's yeah
1182
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:45,150
it's just them two walking and talking
1183
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,250
and everyone's why they'd stop and what
1184
00:53:47,250 --> 00:53:48,630
I would say something and then they'd
1185
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:52,980
start laughing then they said okay break
1186
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:56,400
it's lunch break time I was going to my
1187
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,010
trailer he said no my mother has
1188
00:53:59,010 --> 00:54:02,340
prepared lunch for us up at the house we
1189
00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:03,960
went up to the house and we sit down and
1190
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,870
we talked and my mom my brothers thought
1191
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:09,660
the world of him his mother was so nice
1192
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:12,420
making sure I had enough to eat
1193
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:16,340
I just saw my mother it was crazy
1194
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:20,040
he charmed her me except but that's
1195
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,870
magic he makes everybody feel welcome
1196
00:54:21,870 --> 00:54:23,950
and warm and
1197
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:29,980
he's a con man and while magic charm
1198
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:32,619
Georgia bird it was someone else who
1199
00:54:32,619 --> 00:54:36,029
intrigued her son he met Ervin at lunch
1200
00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:40,839
Ervin was a good dude I liked her a lot
1201
00:54:40,839 --> 00:54:43,599
better magic I was just so happy to
1202
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,880
finally be perving with him because
1203
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,130
magic was like I don't know if I want to
1204
00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:50,559
get to know this guy but Ervin got a
1205
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,700
chance to talk about family I grew up we
1206
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:57,970
just we just keep became to relax guys
1207
00:54:57,970 --> 00:55:01,000
it's just talking that day was great
1208
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,269
it was a great day beautiful day still
1209
00:55:04,269 --> 00:55:07,089
for bird ever the competitor that's all
1210
00:55:07,089 --> 00:55:09,150
it was just one day
1211
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:11,829
magic thinks the next year okay well now
1212
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:13,660
we're great friends so you know after
1213
00:55:13,660 --> 00:55:14,890
the game we're gonna go out we're gonna
1214
00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:18,069
have a beer and Larry's like no you're
1215
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:19,299
right I know you better
1216
00:55:19,299 --> 00:55:21,010
you're a good guy but I still don't
1217
00:55:21,010 --> 00:55:22,720
anything to do with you he's a
1218
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,880
happy-go-lucky guy if men have got to be
1219
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,789
really good friends go out on according
1220
00:55:27,789 --> 00:55:30,369
still play a same game I couldn't that's
1221
00:55:30,369 --> 00:55:32,660
just the way it is
1222
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:35,510
but when the ad hit the airwaves for
1223
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:37,700
others the perception changed
1224
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:39,620
I saw those limousines going through the
1225
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:43,130
cornfields and I said no they didn't
1226
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:47,240
sell themselves out copper's me to pay a
1227
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:51,080
virtue but last years MVP yep but they
1228
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,970
made a pair of magic shoes but this is
1229
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:56,200
MVP okay magic show me what you got oh
1230
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,490
this is really a business thing
1231
00:55:58,490 --> 00:56:01,550
I'm very chill the magic show maybe
1232
00:56:01,550 --> 00:56:03,080
that's where the business thing started
1233
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,990
to get bigger and began to Trump who
1234
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:09,530
they both really were it polarized the
1235
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:11,930
whole idea of lunch bucket versus
1236
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:16,340
Hollywood white versus black just
1237
00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:18,440
cemented all the differences between
1238
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,960
them kids weren't wearing black Jews cuz
1239
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,940
they didn't want to be associated with
1240
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:25,040
the Larry Bird camp you wore your white
1241
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,400
converse the basketball rivals had
1242
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,370
morphed into cultural warriors and race
1243
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:33,800
more than ever and become an unavoidable
1244
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,760
part of the conversation but nothing
1245
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,920
about Bird and Magic had ever been as
1246
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,110
simple as black and white one of the big
1247
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:44,300
reasons this rivalry became some low
1248
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:45,860
Matic of so many things is because it
1249
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:47,630
was an easy dichotomy for people to
1250
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:51,290
understand but it's crazy to simplify to
1251
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:53,150
saying white people like Burge and black
1252
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:54,950
people like magic because 13% of the
1253
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:57,350
country is black it wasn't like 87% of
1254
00:56:57,350 --> 00:56:59,750
basketball fans prefer the Celtic we
1255
00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:02,480
should favorite basketball play Magic
1256
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Johnson was your favorite movie star
1257
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,770
Eddie Murphy piano oh you talked about
1258
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:08,750
his negatives and again and all your
1259
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:11,090
favorite people so-called niggas Stefan
1260
00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:15,440
magic any Prince a nutmeg is I mean
1261
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,680
you're not black I mean let me explain
1262
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:19,130
myself
1263
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:22,160
has the n-word ever been used by a white
1264
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,030
person describe Irvin I doubt it but his
1265
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:27,950
magic enjoyed his image as a crossover
1266
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:31,460
star it was bird the one time great
1267
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:33,710
white hope who would further emerge as
1268
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:35,880
the polarizing racial figure
1269
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,069
to impart to that IRA's increasingly
1270
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:40,500
conservative political climate the
1271
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,089
rolling back institutionally of look
1272
00:57:42,089 --> 00:57:43,319
achievements the civil rights movement
1273
00:57:43,319 --> 00:57:46,009
we're going on a pace from about 1975 on
1274
00:57:46,009 --> 00:57:48,450
but the triumph of the movement that
1275
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:50,490
rolled back took place in the 1980s and
1276
00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:52,529
I think there was people were very aware
1277
00:57:52,529 --> 00:57:54,059
in the black community what was going on
1278
00:57:54,059 --> 00:57:55,650
and I think there was a lot of
1279
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:57,359
sublimated frustration and I think one
1280
00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:58,740
of the ways it got supplemented was into
1281
00:57:58,740 --> 00:58:00,900
basketball and I think Larry through no
1282
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,990
fault of his own was the receptacle
1283
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:05,819
within which the lingering resentments
1284
00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:09,299
somehow floated and after Byrd led the
1285
00:58:09,299 --> 00:58:12,000
Celtics to the championship in 1986 his
1286
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,950
third in the pros winning his third
1287
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:16,980
straight MVP award in the process the
1288
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:20,880
resentment grew I always felt that the
1289
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,380
press was biased in favor of Larry Bird
1290
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,960
it always felt to me like they were
1291
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,480
gonna make Larry the hero you know you'd
1292
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,450
see somebody score and Larry would be in
1293
00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:35,099
a cast and a suit on the bench they'd
1294
00:58:35,099 --> 00:58:37,230
say Larry Bird made that possible a
1295
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:38,970
couple weeks ago when he told that guy
1296
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:41,039
he could do it and he just did it
1297
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:42,869
hey they go get his motherfucker the
1298
00:58:42,869 --> 00:58:44,970
assistant he not in the game not to be
1299
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:46,589
racist but we have a white guy who's the
1300
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:48,269
best in the world it's predominantly a
1301
00:58:48,269 --> 00:58:50,190
black sport now and he got a guy like
1302
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:51,930
Larry Bird who can't run who can't jump
1303
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:54,390
but can do everything out there and I
1304
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:56,250
don't mean nothing to me it don't mean
1305
00:58:56,250 --> 00:59:00,240
anything to me it never has I don't know
1306
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,670
why I mean a mice doing something wrong
1307
00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:06,359
here bird may have sought to avoid the
1308
00:59:06,359 --> 00:59:09,029
conversation entirely but the more he
1309
00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:12,799
won the less he could escape
1310
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:22,210
in 1987 after Boston beat the Detroit
1311
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:23,920
Pistons to advance to the finals for the
1312
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,200
fourth straight year Pistons rookie
1313
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,540
Dennis Rodman called Byrd overrated
1314
00:59:28,540 --> 00:59:31,330
because he was white his teammate Isaiah
1315
00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:33,520
Thomas then chimed in with some thoughts
1316
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,030
of his own
1317
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:45,950
[Music]
1318
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:52,670
he was hippie there's another good guy I
1319
00:59:52,820 --> 00:59:57,600
can remember in the locker room I think
1320
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,370
it was Jack McMullen come up to me and
1321
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:01,350
said Isaiah just said boom boom boom
1322
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:05,970
boom I go so he didn't care he didn't
1323
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:07,530
care everybody else around him cared
1324
01:00:07,530 --> 01:00:10,770
very deeply in the days and weeks as it
1325
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:15,900
turned out ahead I mean media made it I
1326
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:18,300
like was something but it didn't matter
1327
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:21,060
to me what Isaiah or Dennis Rodman said
1328
01:00:21,060 --> 01:00:22,910
and it still don't
1329
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,110
that's no bearing what I do in my life
1330
01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:28,520
he doesn't see race he really doesn't uh
1331
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:34,250
and he could have this guy grew up poor
1332
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:38,790
white in southern Indiana southern in
1333
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:40,290
the end of the home by the way of the
1334
01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:43,170
modern Ku Klux Klan how he managed not
1335
01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:45,360
to be affected by the cultural milieu
1336
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,640
that he grew up in is I think a miracle
1337
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,470
it's a night to me it's inexplicable why
1338
01:00:49,470 --> 01:00:51,500
isn't about six or seven three I
1339
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:53,580
couldn't wait to school be over because
1340
01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:56,640
I knew or on the courts the waiters in
1341
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,230
the hotel would be over there they were
1342
01:00:58,230 --> 01:01:02,370
black older and they let me play
1343
01:01:02,370 --> 01:01:04,920
you know I always looked at that I got
1344
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,390
an opportunity playing against black man
1345
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:09,090
and they treated me good I couldn't wait
1346
01:01:09,090 --> 01:01:10,920
to play against the best and at that
1347
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,910
time they were the best and in 1987 as
1348
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:17,970
bird vied with magic to be the best the
1349
01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:20,040
flap over Isaiah Thomas is racially
1350
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,350
fueled remarks forced Bird to address
1351
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:24,420
his least favorite topic at the worst
1352
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:26,850
possible time I had to go to a press
1353
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,520
conference I was in LA trying to get
1354
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,270
ready to play the Lakers and tell people
1355
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:35,190
I didn't care this don't bother me the
1356
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:37,470
main thing is if the statements or
1357
01:01:37,470 --> 01:01:39,810
whatever was said doesn't bother me I
1358
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:41,130
don't think it should bother any of us
1359
01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:42,930
from playing all year trying to get back
1360
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:44,400
to the finals and play against magic
1361
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,050
this was a distraction
1362
01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:48,810
bird was facing off against magic for
1363
01:01:48,810 --> 01:01:51,300
the third time in four years and if
1364
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:53,280
their relationship had softened the
1365
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,140
determination to beat each other had not
1366
01:01:58,310 --> 01:02:01,530
as game for food the level of
1367
01:02:01,530 --> 01:02:03,540
competition between them was higher than
1368
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:04,460
ever
1369
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:06,990
bird played awesome down the stretch of
1370
01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:10,080
that game trailing 2-1 in the series the
1371
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,850
Celtics were down by one point in the
1372
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:14,460
final minute of the game but Larry Bird
1373
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:18,290
wouldn't be easily vanquished
1374
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,030
[Applause]
1375
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,559
with seven seconds left though the
1376
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:33,230
Lakers still had life three years
1377
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:35,839
earlier in the 84 finals magic had
1378
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,630
flubbed a similar situation but this was
1379
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:41,089
a different magic one with a whole new
1380
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:42,079
bag of tricks
1381
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,470
my man switched to cream and Kevin
1382
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:48,109
McHale jumped out to me as soon as I saw
1383
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:51,500
Kevin I said oh I'm taken you know magic
1384
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:53,299
puts it on the floor a couple head and
1385
01:02:53,299 --> 01:02:55,730
shoulder fakes he raised up in the air
1386
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:58,700
and there was nobody there was gonna get
1387
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:01,150
that shot
1388
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:10,680
[Music]
1389
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,599
I remember after they called timeout
1390
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:14,549
thinking there's still a shot
1391
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:17,460
Celtics may still win this game well
1392
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:18,859
they set up a great play
1393
01:03:18,859 --> 01:03:22,559
bird walk worthy all the way up forced
1394
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:27,180
the denial all the way up we've done it
1395
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:28,099
before
1396
01:03:28,099 --> 01:03:31,019
clear everybody out go to the ball break
1397
01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:35,339
the corner you caught it here and as he
1398
01:03:35,339 --> 01:03:37,470
caught it all he had to do was turn and
1399
01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:42,079
just turn and he just let this thing go
1400
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,460
got a wide open lovin couldn't believe
1401
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:44,759
it
1402
01:03:44,759 --> 01:03:46,019
and I'm standing right there Agis
1403
01:03:46,019 --> 01:03:54,240
straight as an arrow get on we're lucky
1404
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,960
because it's right on line he looked at
1405
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,420
me like how did you ever leave me that
1406
01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:09,680
wide open Kidman change the whole series
1407
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,349
the Lakers won the series and six in the
1408
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:15,299
aftermath of a year in which magic had
1409
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:18,809
won his first MVP the rivalry suddenly
1410
01:04:18,809 --> 01:04:20,730
took on a new tone maddie was just a
1411
01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:22,589
great basketball player he's the best
1412
01:04:22,589 --> 01:04:23,730
I've ever seen you know
1413
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:28,920
I unbelievable I don't know what's
1414
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,440
saying I was shocked that he said it
1415
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,660
because I thought to myself maybe this
1416
01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:35,279
is the beginning of a new era that's not
1417
01:04:35,279 --> 01:04:37,410
going to include him it was the passing
1418
01:04:37,410 --> 01:04:41,519
of the torch a little bit after
1419
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,489
vanquishing burden 87 magic wasn't done
1420
01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:47,069
winning the following year he squared
1421
01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:48,509
off in the finals against his good
1422
01:04:48,509 --> 01:04:50,470
friend Isiah Thomas and the Pistons
1423
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:52,460
[Applause]
1424
01:04:52,460 --> 01:04:54,960
beating them to become the NBA's first
1425
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,559
repeat champions in two decades by the
1426
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,779
dawn of the 90s he'd won five titles
1427
01:05:00,779 --> 01:05:03,390
played in eight finals and equaled
1428
01:05:03,390 --> 01:05:06,630
Bird's MVP tally of three
1429
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:09,960
but the more magic one the less urban
1430
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,049
seemed to be around to reap the spoils
1431
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:15,119
once I tasted the champagne and the
1432
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,989
championship I wanted more of that and
1433
01:05:17,989 --> 01:05:21,869
more that so magic kept growing because
1434
01:05:21,869 --> 01:05:25,229
we were successful and the persona and
1435
01:05:25,229 --> 01:05:32,190
all that came with that the Prince of LA
1436
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:36,809
was now the king and in Hollywood being
1437
01:05:36,809 --> 01:05:40,160
royalty had its perks
1438
01:05:40,279 --> 01:05:44,009
what was her man Johnson's vice now you
1439
01:05:44,009 --> 01:05:48,200
know my publicist wants me to say Winnie
1440
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:52,619
but women loved her back then before
1441
01:05:52,619 --> 01:05:55,259
voicemail is to have these mail slots in
1442
01:05:55,259 --> 01:05:56,940
the hotels we leave your key and when we
1443
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,609
get into a town Ervin's mail slot would
1444
01:05:59,609 --> 01:06:02,279
be so packed and it would be just Susan
1445
01:06:02,279 --> 01:06:03,690
and a phone number Linda and a phone
1446
01:06:03,690 --> 01:06:05,069
number Joyce in a phone
1447
01:06:05,069 --> 01:06:06,690
I mean that was every city everything
1448
01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:10,859
every time I was on top of my game as
1449
01:06:10,859 --> 01:06:14,789
magic so I needed all that around me at
1450
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:20,180
that time women this to that Hollywood
1451
01:06:20,350 --> 01:06:22,550
[Music]
1452
01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:25,300
magic was living in a context of
1453
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:27,740
sybaritic access from the minute he
1454
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:29,869
walked in the door and he developed a
1455
01:06:29,869 --> 01:06:34,460
sweet tooth sex with several women at
1456
01:06:34,460 --> 01:06:38,690
the same time yeah like I said women
1457
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:40,430
have different fantasies some want to be
1458
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:43,100
with two or three at a time you know one
1459
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,200
time I had six at one time that's just I
1460
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,960
really do believe he looks upon Magic
1461
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,910
Johnson as a movie character he played I
1462
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:53,270
think Irvin got overwhelmed in LA by
1463
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:57,410
what it meant to be a star that's
1464
01:06:57,410 --> 01:07:00,220
probably true that the magic ego
1465
01:07:00,220 --> 01:07:02,750
swallowed Irvin a little bit but that's
1466
01:07:02,750 --> 01:07:06,170
okay because I couldn't win five
1467
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:09,170
championships without that through all
1468
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:12,140
this haze of women and money and fame
1469
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:14,300
and fortune he still kept basketball in
1470
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:15,590
at number one he'd never seem to lose
1471
01:07:15,590 --> 01:07:20,570
that focus Leary had two jobs his last
1472
01:07:20,570 --> 01:07:22,040
seven years of playing it was playing
1473
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,830
basketball and then it was him being
1474
01:07:24,830 --> 01:07:27,530
committed to taking care of his back he
1475
01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:30,230
had first heard it in 1985 building the
1476
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:32,030
driveway at his mom's house back in
1477
01:07:32,030 --> 01:07:34,369
French Lick Larry decides to do it
1478
01:07:34,369 --> 01:07:36,859
himself this is Larry Bird the superstar
1479
01:07:36,859 --> 01:07:39,670
out there breaking his back literally
1480
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:42,740
shoveling gravel and that was the
1481
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:45,530
beginning of a process I would see him
1482
01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:48,680
on TV laying down and then they told me
1483
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,090
that he had to lay down on planes
1484
01:07:50,090 --> 01:07:52,090
different things like that I was like
1485
01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:56,480
wow as magic sword through the prime of
1486
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,580
his career
1487
01:07:57,580 --> 01:08:00,500
bird with breaking down his
1488
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:03,230
deteriorating back in punishing style of
1489
01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:07,070
play proving an excruciating mix from 88
1490
01:08:07,070 --> 01:08:10,280
to 92 it was painful to watch it was
1491
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:11,240
painful to cover
1492
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,760
Larry is quite ordinary when he's not
1493
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,619
feeling well which means he was honoring
1494
01:08:15,619 --> 01:08:18,259
for those next four years he could
1495
01:08:18,259 --> 01:08:20,960
manage the pain in a way that very few
1496
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,390
people can do Derby days he could come
1497
01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:24,589
in the office and he couldn't stand up
1498
01:08:24,589 --> 01:08:27,500
straight but even after two ruptured
1499
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:29,750
Achilles tendons and surgery on his back
1500
01:08:29,750 --> 01:08:33,920
in 1991 bird kept going to work product
1501
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,470
of a lesson learned many years before
1502
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:38,600
seeing the swollen ankle of a man long
1503
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,729
since gone well we don't know if it
1504
01:08:40,729 --> 01:08:43,460
broken up it looked broke to me I had to
1505
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:44,870
go to work and had to get his boot on
1506
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:46,700
and it took everything I had to help him
1507
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:48,500
get that boot on his foot and he stood
1508
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:50,450
up limping he says I'll see you this
1509
01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:51,740
weekend because he was working
1510
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:53,450
instruction at the time and I was pretty
1511
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:55,100
amazed how he could fight through that
1512
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:57,049
all week and come home on a weekend it
1513
01:08:57,049 --> 01:09:00,770
was black and swollen and he'd sit
1514
01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:02,390
around on the weekend and put that boot
1515
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:05,390
on go again if you get paid to go to
1516
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:07,040
work you got to go to work
1517
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,170
it was a situation that he was seeing
1518
01:09:09,170 --> 01:09:11,779
almost daily he had lost the structural
1519
01:09:11,779 --> 01:09:14,960
stability in his spine so it would slip
1520
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,240
into abnormal positions to try and lock
1521
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,009
itself to get an artificial stability
1522
01:09:19,009 --> 01:09:21,560
that's like getting your finger stuck in
1523
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,080
the door and somebody's still pushing on
1524
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,259
the door so we had to do is unlock his
1525
01:09:27,259 --> 01:09:30,890
spine realign it do techniques that
1526
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:33,319
would hold that for four hours or six
1527
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:34,880
hours that type of thing and then he'd
1528
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,240
go play basketball
1529
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,370
[Applause]
1530
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:43,809
every time I would play I was wondering
1531
01:09:43,809 --> 01:09:45,250
if I was gonna be in a wheelchair or was
1532
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:48,670
I ever gonna be able to you know walk on
1533
01:09:48,670 --> 01:09:52,139
the beach or holding my kids
1534
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:55,440
his pain and his quest for basketball
1535
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,960
became all-encompassing very few people
1536
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,590
really knew what Larry was living with
1537
01:10:00,590 --> 01:10:04,020
because this was Larry's issue and there
1538
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:06,710
was no sharing of his pain
1539
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:10,850
you know iPod should retardant 88-89
1540
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:13,460
but
1541
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:16,130
it's that competition maybe one more
1542
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:17,780
chance pen magic get together in the
1543
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:22,450
finals but it never happened
1544
01:10:24,010 --> 01:10:27,110
I'm sleeping really laying down just
1545
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:31,340
waiting on the game and no phone rings
1546
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:38,000
and the voice says hey you got to come
1547
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,070
back to LA Joe so okay why I can't tell
1548
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:51,430
you until you get to LA so I said okay
1549
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:54,950
two hours later he was in the office of
1550
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:57,370
Lakers team physician Michael Milman
1551
01:10:57,370 --> 01:11:02,360
dr. mehlman starts to tell me that you
1552
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,440
know through the physical that I took
1553
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:12,040
that they discovered that I had HIV
1554
01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:20,239
first time ever in my life I'm such a
1555
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:21,980
control freak right do things the right
1556
01:11:21,980 --> 01:11:27,469
way I'm out of control oh it was every
1557
01:11:27,469 --> 01:11:30,820
time how is it possible what happened
1558
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:34,610
how did it happen to me my mind is
1559
01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:39,980
racing you know and and then you just it
1560
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:43,310
just devastated further complicating
1561
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:45,679
things magic had gotten married just two
1562
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:47,960
months earlier and he feared the worst
1563
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,210
for his new bride cookie who was
1564
01:11:50,210 --> 01:11:53,210
pregnant with their first child I don't
1565
01:11:53,210 --> 01:11:54,830
know what's gonna happen with my wife
1566
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:57,199
and my baby I don't know what's gonna
1567
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,659
happen to me I don't have control of the
1568
01:11:59,659 --> 01:12:02,110
situation and I was lost just for that
1569
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:06,080
next two or three weeks and after magic
1570
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,849
learned neither his wife nor his unborn
1571
01:12:07,849 --> 01:12:09,020
child were infected
1572
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:11,719
he began revealing the news to his inner
1573
01:12:11,719 --> 01:12:14,960
circle the phone rang and it was magics
1574
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,210
agent LAN rose and he said Ervin's
1575
01:12:17,210 --> 01:12:18,800
looking for you call him and I said I'll
1576
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,719
call him when I get to parama and he
1577
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:23,150
says call him now I said line how caught
1578
01:12:23,150 --> 01:12:24,949
call him when I get to Paramount I'll be
1579
01:12:24,949 --> 01:12:26,500
there in 20 minutes
1580
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:32,239
and he said you got to call him now
1581
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:39,320
Ervin's hiv-positive um I remember I was
1582
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,820
sitting on the bed I remember standing
1583
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:44,560
up at that point
1584
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:50,920
and I said how is that possible I'm
1585
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,390
thinking Urban's gonna get skinny and
1586
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:56,270
die I mean literally that's what I
1587
01:12:56,270 --> 01:13:00,580
thought Ervin's gonna get skinny and die
1588
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,830
the first person I thought of was Larry
1589
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:09,860
I wonder what Larry thinks the day that
1590
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:12,260
I heard about magic and just sort of
1591
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:15,260
changed my love for basketball it shook
1592
01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:17,630
me up you know you're gonna get that
1593
01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:21,020
feeling by the same type of feeling I
1594
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:22,460
had when my father died he wants to
1595
01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:24,500
understand why you know how can I talk
1596
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:26,570
to him I need to speak to him it was
1597
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:27,860
just really important for Larry to talk
1598
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:34,100
to him you know I know sort of I don't
1599
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:37,460
know I want to hear from him probably
1600
01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:39,970
didn't believe it
1601
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:42,380
calm me down
1602
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:44,690
we're talking you know he's just how you
1603
01:13:44,690 --> 01:13:48,440
doing I heard about it and you can
1604
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,310
almost hear both of us with some tears
1605
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:56,060
and eyes and I'm choked up because he
1606
01:13:56,060 --> 01:14:07,400
did call me you know once something
1607
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,610
happens
1608
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:18,270
to you
1609
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,980
and then you find out who really your
1610
01:14:26,980 --> 01:14:30,970
friends are and people who really care
1611
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:40,650
about you you figure are those battles
1612
01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:43,570
all those things we had to go through as
1613
01:14:43,570 --> 01:14:48,690
warriors as competitors then ask men
1614
01:14:48,690 --> 01:14:52,390
that down here this man says hey you
1615
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:54,010
know what man you okay
1616
01:14:54,010 --> 01:14:59,530
and so uh that was the greatest moment
1617
01:14:59,530 --> 01:15:03,310
for me to you know to have him check on
1618
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:10,830
me and to make sure I was okay
1619
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:15,390
first of all let me say good at get
1620
01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:21,500
after late afternoon um because of the
1621
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:26,790
HIV virus that I have attained uh I will
1622
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:30,270
have to retire from the Lakers today
1623
01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:32,010
it's the only press conference I've ever
1624
01:15:32,010 --> 01:15:33,630
been in where I've seen reporters cry I
1625
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:35,790
mean we thought this guy was in total
1626
01:15:35,790 --> 01:15:38,790
denial I plan on going on living for a
1627
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:39,750
long time
1628
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:41,930
bugging you guys like I've always have
1629
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:44,490
we thought this the smile is gonna be
1630
01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:45,930
wiped off his face forever and he was
1631
01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:47,250
gonna die but we're gonna watch him die
1632
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:49,320
in public I just remember in the room he
1633
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,670
was joking and I'm sitting there looking
1634
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:52,260
at him crying and he's like poop man
1635
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:54,120
imma be okay I'm gonna be okay it's
1636
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,340
gonna be alright I'm gonna go on I'm
1637
01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:58,140
gonna beat it and I'm gonna have fun
1638
01:15:58,140 --> 01:16:00,690
sure come on you're gonna beat this but
1639
01:16:00,690 --> 01:16:03,030
to him it was a contest Larry Bird and
1640
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:04,800
Magic Johnson aids and Magic Johnson
1641
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,290
it's same thing it's just a different
1642
01:16:07,290 --> 01:16:08,970
game different rules but I'm still gonna
1643
01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:11,070
win he wasn't planning on going nowhere
1644
01:16:11,070 --> 01:16:14,310
urban was planning that date to find the
1645
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:17,400
right medicine to eat right get rest and
1646
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,040
live forever that's what he was playing
1647
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,300
it thank you again and I'll see you soon
1648
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:26,040
but his magic put up a positive public
1649
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,210
face his nemesis still out of sorts shed
1650
01:16:30,210 --> 01:16:32,210
the mask he had hidden behind for years
1651
01:16:32,210 --> 01:16:36,450
he was visibly like wow how could that
1652
01:16:36,450 --> 01:16:37,980
happen you know they're just that it was
1653
01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:40,770
just it really set him back father two
1654
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:42,420
toughest days I've had since my father
1655
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:45,330
passed away I've been very depressed and
1656
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:47,910
then sort of been out of it I listen to
1657
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:49,170
him talking this press conference about
1658
01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,420
how devastated he was and I remember
1659
01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:55,020
thinking to myself yeah goddamn Larry
1660
01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:57,810
found urban you know just out of blue
1661
01:16:57,810 --> 01:17:00,489
something like that happening it's just
1662
01:17:00,489 --> 01:17:02,530
I've never had other than one other
1663
01:17:02,530 --> 01:17:04,510
instance and I was hoping I'd never see
1664
01:17:04,510 --> 01:17:06,610
that again because I remember how I felt
1665
01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:11,380
weeks after that and yesterday was just
1666
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:14,739
a sad day and at his game that night
1667
01:17:14,739 --> 01:17:18,039
bird was forced to confront pain he
1668
01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:21,610
couldn't so easily play through they
1669
01:17:21,610 --> 01:17:24,429
won't be there that night first time
1670
01:17:24,429 --> 01:17:28,900
ever and really last I remember we
1671
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:33,340
played in Atlanta and no feel for game
1672
01:17:33,340 --> 01:17:36,280
you know this button wasn't good time be
1673
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,550
out there never had a before him that
1674
01:17:39,550 --> 01:17:41,469
night he threw a pass I'll never forget
1675
01:17:41,469 --> 01:17:44,019
he threw a half-court pass behind his
1676
01:17:44,019 --> 01:17:48,070
back for a layup and if you blurred your
1677
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:49,329
eyes you squint your eyes it looked like
1678
01:17:49,329 --> 01:17:53,699
magic and that was Larry saying goodbye
1679
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:58,620
you know I mean this competition thing
1680
01:17:58,620 --> 01:18:04,020
is is amazing what it does to you what
1681
01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:05,670
you put your body through and what you
1682
01:18:05,670 --> 01:18:08,130
do and what you say and how you feel
1683
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:10,170
knowing that he's not there
1684
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:13,410
wouldn't feel right I think it's all
1685
01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:16,290
them years that you know what's he doing
1686
01:18:16,290 --> 01:18:18,480
well if he's practicing his hard I bet
1687
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,340
he shot 500 shots today and I didn't get
1688
01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:25,790
500 and it's always that mind games
1689
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:29,850
bird played through the 91-92 season his
1690
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:32,910
last in the NBA but a part of him was
1691
01:18:32,910 --> 01:18:33,960
already gone
1692
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,810
I didn't check the papers anymore you
1693
01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:41,190
know didn't matter I still want to
1694
01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:46,489
compete you know but one the same
1695
01:18:46,489 --> 01:18:53,870
really what with the exception of that
1696
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:55,940
year when he was called tragic Johnson
1697
01:18:55,940 --> 01:18:58,010
because on the basketball court things
1698
01:18:58,010 --> 01:19:00,199
didn't shake down properly this is the
1699
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:05,530
first time I'm hearing ignorant hatred
1700
01:19:05,530 --> 01:19:10,219
vicious nasty things there was some of
1701
01:19:10,219 --> 01:19:12,199
my former teammates who had their own
1702
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:13,909
little things that they were talking
1703
01:19:13,909 --> 01:19:16,699
about why this happened to me you know
1704
01:19:16,699 --> 01:19:18,860
anybody else does heterosexually got it
1705
01:19:18,860 --> 01:19:21,670
come on man you're in denial
1706
01:19:21,670 --> 01:19:25,760
I've been called gay faggot Urban's
1707
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:26,210
lover
1708
01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:28,969
I've been called all that shit lawn
1709
01:19:28,969 --> 01:19:30,530
rosin got a call from Isaiah Thomas
1710
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:33,320
asking you know I keep hearing magics
1711
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,940
gay and Ilan said well for crying out
1712
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:36,350
loud you know better than anybody he
1713
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:37,699
isn't you're one of his best friends and
1714
01:19:37,699 --> 01:19:39,440
he said well we don't know what's going
1715
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,210
on in Hollywood and the fact that Isaiah
1716
01:19:41,210 --> 01:19:43,550
was questioning why he got this I think
1717
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:48,920
it was really really hurtful to him he's
1718
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,179
too sad you know I don't want people to
1719
01:19:50,179 --> 01:19:54,130
stop shaking my hand give me my hugs
1720
01:19:54,950 --> 01:20:00,260
he loves to be loved and that's what
1721
01:20:00,260 --> 01:20:01,760
bothered him the most that people would
1722
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:08,900
change in relationship to him he would
1723
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:10,850
show up at the Lakers facility to work
1724
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:12,410
out and to shoot some baskets and he
1725
01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:14,180
tried to engage his teammates and say
1726
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:14,990
hey you wanna play a little one-on-one
1727
01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:17,840
before practice and oh geez no I can't I
1728
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,610
gotta go get taped or oh geez I get work
1729
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:21,850
to do I gotta do something else
1730
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:25,520
the worst thing of all this that I
1731
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,310
couldn't play basketball I don't even
1732
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:32,180
think dealing with HIV it was I couldn't
1733
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:35,660
play the game the surroundings was his
1734
01:20:35,660 --> 01:20:39,380
whole world that's his personality when
1735
01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:43,010
you take that away you know you're hurt
1736
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:47,060
I knew he was hurt in a big way the only
1737
01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:50,050
sex is safe sex and that's no sex as
1738
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:52,790
basketball went on without him magic
1739
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:55,160
performed Abele in his new role as HIV
1740
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,860
educator and spokesman
1741
01:20:57,860 --> 01:21:00,670
and we'll helping every way that I can
1742
01:21:00,670 --> 01:21:03,560
but he's still pine for the arena which
1743
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,960
had made him a star so when he was
1744
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,750
invited to play in the 1992 NBA all-star
1745
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:15,530
game he jumped at the chance promptly
1746
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:19,330
stealing the show and winning MVP honors
1747
01:21:19,330 --> 01:21:22,790
but that was just a warm-up the Encore
1748
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:25,280
magic had up his sleeve he's not done
1749
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,260
yet because we're gonna go to Barcelona
1750
01:21:27,260 --> 01:21:29,120
and bring back the gold for everyone
1751
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,490
here in United States for the first time
1752
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:37,070
ever NBA players would be competing in
1753
01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:39,590
the Olympics and magic armed with a
1754
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:41,560
message was not about to miss the show
1755
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:46,010
it woulda proved to people that you was
1756
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:47,450
not gonna get the disease playing
1757
01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:49,790
against me and then also for me too
1758
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:53,450
personally you know it was therapy it
1759
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:57,230
was a way to say man you get to do this
1760
01:21:57,230 --> 01:22:00,590
one more time there was also one other
1761
01:22:00,590 --> 01:22:03,920
perk I think mine was Larry was very
1762
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,240
important that's something they talked
1763
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,830
about and he was gonna be on the dream
1764
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:08,180
team is gonna be with Michael he's gonna
1765
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:09,860
be as Barclays but he was gonna play
1766
01:22:09,860 --> 01:22:13,730
with Larry magic have seen him I just
1767
01:22:13,730 --> 01:22:15,050
want to get you out on that court one
1768
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:16,430
more time let's just have one more
1769
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:18,680
sequence like we had all the way back in
1770
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,310
1978 but it was interesting that with
1771
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:23,300
magic being the one that was
1772
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:25,130
hiv-positive he felt great he was in the
1773
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:29,360
best shape of his life he had worked so
1774
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,770
hard to make sure he didn't go there as
1775
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:33,290
a token player and here was Larry who
1776
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:35,180
couldn't even practice who could barely
1777
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:37,450
move
1778
01:22:38,110 --> 01:22:41,090
but you know what then matter we were
1779
01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:48,620
still together you know did matter me
1780
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:53,510
closing only fans the magic spell you
1781
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:54,980
cares
1782
01:22:54,980 --> 01:23:04,040
this is La Vie en Rose and when he goes
1783
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:08,770
are patooties he switched a few
1784
01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,599
[Music]
1785
01:23:14,410 --> 01:23:16,180
who's taking the last shot with a game
1786
01:23:16,180 --> 01:23:19,450
on the line do your I got my opportunity
1787
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:29,920
I still was massive 14 years after
1788
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,410
they'd first crossed paths the smiling
1789
01:23:32,410 --> 01:23:34,600
kid from Lansing and the shy boy from
1790
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,030
French Lick were happily back together
1791
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:40,600
in Barcelona but it took just one glance
1792
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,520
outside their hotels front door each
1793
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,400
morning for them to see that as far as
1794
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,800
they had come they were as far apart as
1795
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:48,990
ever
1796
01:23:48,990 --> 01:23:51,310
the way you walk up that door if you
1797
01:23:51,310 --> 01:23:54,520
wanted attention but I ask ask I I know
1798
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,740
how can you get around us and gotta be
1799
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:57,420
away
1800
01:23:57,420 --> 01:24:00,460
hello behold there was a side door you
1801
01:24:00,460 --> 01:24:03,020
go wherever you want
1802
01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:05,510
that's gonna tell him about it but
1803
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:07,800
seeing that smile on his face close you
1804
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:12,690
got that front door come on anyone no
1805
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:15,400
side door you know Arvind
1806
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,269
[Music]
1807
01:24:17,269 --> 01:24:20,089
you go right in the middle of them turn
1808
01:24:20,089 --> 01:24:24,379
alone I'm going out the front
1809
01:24:24,379 --> 01:24:26,899
cuz that's who I am I don't go out the
1810
01:24:26,899 --> 01:24:30,019
back I don't go out the side That's not
1811
01:24:30,019 --> 01:24:33,049
me if you want to go somewhere in a
1812
01:24:33,049 --> 01:24:35,890
hurry there's a
1813
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:38,290
there's a door to lead you there I found
1814
01:24:38,290 --> 01:24:41,890
it I respected him for that and so hello
1815
01:24:41,890 --> 01:24:44,170
I would try to find us a side door for
1816
01:24:44,170 --> 01:24:49,990
him and we never tried to change each
1817
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:53,230
other that's what made this relationship
1818
01:24:53,230 --> 01:25:00,640
great one of my pet peeves always is
1819
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,140
when people say oh Michael Jordan saved
1820
01:25:02,140 --> 01:25:06,550
the NBA bullshit bullshit magic and
1821
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:09,370
Larry saved the NBA that's who saved the
1822
01:25:09,370 --> 01:25:14,950
NBA magic and Larry Magic and Larry Bird
1823
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:17,800
and Magic to the millions who once
1824
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,470
watched them now more than ever they are
1825
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:21,970
inseparable
1826
01:25:21,970 --> 01:25:24,130
a pair of athletes thrown together by
1827
01:25:24,130 --> 01:25:27,940
the cosmos to compete a pair of men who
1828
01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:29,740
discovered a bomb in the midst of that
1829
01:25:29,740 --> 01:25:31,910
competition
1830
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:33,980
decades removed from the height of their
1831
01:25:33,980 --> 01:25:37,700
rivalry their bond and yours too
1832
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:39,890
impossibly different men with a
1833
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:42,340
connection only they can fully grasp
1834
01:25:42,340 --> 01:25:44,540
it's almost like a private little Club
1835
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:45,860
and only the two of them are in it and
1836
01:25:45,860 --> 01:25:47,360
every once in a while they need to show
1837
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,010
up to have a reunion and pay their dues
1838
01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:50,600
to each other but they don't need the
1839
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,220
day-to-day contact that most friends
1840
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:53,300
need it's just not that kind of
1841
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:55,130
relationship I always always get this
1842
01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:57,380
good feeling when I know I won't see him
1843
01:25:57,380 --> 01:26:00,410
because he makes you feel good you know
1844
01:26:00,410 --> 01:26:03,140
he really does intervene he's
1845
01:26:03,140 --> 01:26:06,140
unbelievable he's very private but if
1846
01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:07,300
he's your friend
1847
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:11,900
man you got a friend for life and Larry
1848
01:26:11,900 --> 01:26:15,260
Bird is a straight-shooting did I tell
1849
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:17,630
you when he don't like you that's one
1850
01:26:17,630 --> 01:26:20,060
thing I wish I could have from that that
1851
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,460
he has that I don't have I wish I had
1852
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:25,280
that I mean he walked in here this whole
1853
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,460
room of change and maybe that's what I
1854
01:26:28,460 --> 01:26:31,720
always wanted to be buddies could
1855
01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:57,080
[Music]
1856
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,370
[Music]
1857
01:27:41,170 --> 01:27:43,850
this has been a presentation of HBO
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