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The first hour of "Crisis On
Infinite Earths" is in the books
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and there is a lot to talk about,
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from killer crossovers
to unexpected partnerships
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to the death of Green Arrow
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to the birth of a new Green Arrow, man.
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The highs, the lows, and
everything in between,
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all that and more right
now on "Crisis Aftermath".
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- Synced and corrected by Firefly -
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Welcome to "Crisis Aftermath".
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I'm your host Kevin Smith.
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Boy, oh, boy, man.
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We knew that this year's crossover event
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was gonna be something special,
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but this is beyond bonkers, man.
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Here to help me figure it all out
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are executive producer Marc Guggenheim,
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writer, comedian, and
DC nerd Dani Fernandez,
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and "Arrow" star Kat McNamara.
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Thanks so much for
joining us, everybody.
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I just wanna ask right off the bat,
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and you don't count
'cause you wrote this.
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What were your favorite moments so far?
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Oh, goodness, there are so many.
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I mean, mine was when
Mia got her... her suit.
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I mean, it was so precious.
It was such a precious moment.
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- I said...
- You're not just saying it
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- 'cause she's sitting there. It was a legit good moment.
- No, no.
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I say it because I talk a lot about
father/daughter moments in therapy.
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And so I said it like, you know,
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this is a safe place in
front of millions of people.
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- So I don't mind openly weeping.
- For sure.
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I mean, that was one of my favorite
moments to shoot, definitely.
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Just because Stephen and I have
spent most of the season together.
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- Right.
- And getting to watch him work
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and being a part of the story,
this being my first crossover,
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that was such a big moment,
I think, for both characters,
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- and we really felt that.
- Do you watch him?
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How does one play the
daughter of somebody
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who's been playing a guy
for, like, many seasons?
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Do you actually go back, watch episodes,
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and be like, "I can steal
that. I can steal that".
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That's exactly what I did.
When I first auditioned,
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I didn't know that I was
auditioning for his daughter.
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And once I found that out, I went
back and watched the entire series
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because not only is he
such an iconic character,
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- but Felicity Smoak is another iconic character.
- Totally.
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And Mia is sort of the perfect
amalgamation of them both.
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And I tried to steal
as many little nuances
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and character quirks as I could
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to really make her her own person.
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You nailed it. Let
me ask you this, Marc.
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You are the architect
of all this madness,
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so you definitely
have a favorite moment.
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I would say in Hour One
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when Lois and Kal-El place baby
Jonathan in the rocket ship.
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And I remember, we were
in the writers' room...
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we assemble a writers'
room for the crossover,
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and we were in the writers' room,
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and I forget who
pitched it. It wasn't me.
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I wish I could take credit
for it, but I love it.
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I love it for two reasons.
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Number one, it's homaging,
obviously, Alexander Luthor
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being launched, you
know, in a rocket ship.
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Baby Alexander Luthor being
launched in a rocket ship
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- in the first Crisis.
- From "Crisis". From the book.
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But also,
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Kal-El and Lois are speaking
Marlon Brando's dialogue
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From "Superman: The Movie".
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How fun was that? To be able to...
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and was that the marching
orders in the writers' room?
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Like, homage or as
other people say "steal",
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- Yes.
- as much from other sources as possible.
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You know, it's funny.
What was so great was
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no one ever had to be told it.
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We all just instinctively were like,
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"Okay, we're gonna steal this
and we're gonna steal this.
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And we're gonna homage that
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and we're gonna tip our hats to this".
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And it was just something we all...
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we've been doing it, honestly,
ever since year one of "Arrow".
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- Yeah.
- It's always been part of
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the DNA of all these shows.
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But, yeah, I mean, because this
is Crisis and because it's the...
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you know, one of the
biggest DC events ever,
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we felt an obligation
to really like go for it.
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All Arrowverse shows have always
been about incredible fan service,
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but this especially feels
like, "They're gonna love this".
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So we're all still reeling from
an incredible hour of television.
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But that hour was months and years,
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and actually decades in the making, man.
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Check it out.
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- Cut.
- So a day in the life
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of shooting this crossover
is absolutely staggering.
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In terms of the amount
of cast that's coming in
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and people from other shows,
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there's so much logistically
that goes into it,
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and everybody just has to be on it.
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This Crisis is such a big deal.
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So many actors, so many
lines, so many characters,
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so many moving pieces.
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You get picked up so
early in the morning
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and you have to go
through hair and makeup,
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and then we start acting.
And then, you know,
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halfway through a day, you
get driven to a different show.
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- Action!
- Everyone works very differently.
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Every production has
its own kind of culture
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and way of working.
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And when you work with actors
from a different production,
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you get to see ways, you know,
that they may do things better
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or that we may do things better.
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And so it's a great learning experience.
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Cut! Awesome.
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Come on, man.
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Like, just seeing that many
people walking around in costume...
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when I was a kid, you
dreamed about that.
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Like, we had Batman and Robin growing up
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with the great Burt Ward and Adam West.
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And when you saw those two in
their outfits, it made you excited.
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You dreamed about it.
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I remember there was a
"TV Guide" cover from 1989
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- when the John Wesley Shipp "Flash" was on...
- Yeah.
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... that showed a picture
of him in the outfit
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next to a picture of Michael Keaton
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in the Batman outfit from movies
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next to Christopher Reeve
wearing the Superman suit.
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And you dreamed, like,
will there ever be a day
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where you can see something like this?
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And we're literally seeing
it here unfold in front of us.
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It's insanity. I mean, the
ten-year-old me still can't believe it.
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I mean, the fact that anyone
has done this, much less us...
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the fact that anyone's done
this is so exciting to me.
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It scratches every
itch as a fanboy I have.
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And that's the thing, like,
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you were talking about, like,
you know, the fan service.
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The reason these shows are so fan
service oriented is we're fans.
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We approach it as fans.
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So even, yes, of course,
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in the writers' room
we're talking about, like,
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"Oh, this is gonna make
them stand up and applaud".
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But before we get there,
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we're standing up and
applauding ourselves.
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- Right.
- "Oh, my God, this is gonna be so awesome".
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You must be sitting there going,
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"Oh, we're so clever!"
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I did have a question, though,
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because Burt Ward and
Robert Wuhl are in this.
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Does that mean that
their movies and shows
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- are canonically a part of this universe?
- Yeah.
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That's the whole point.
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Like, and they're now
canonically destroyed.
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- But...
- Yeah.
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We had 'em for a second, and then gone.
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So the Bat nipples
existed in this universe.
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- Yes.
- Yes.
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The Bat nipples are Arrowverse canon.
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And it was CW. We always knew
nipples were involved somewhere.
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So, absolutely, man.
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Let's talk about the elephant
in the room, though.
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- The death of Arrow.
- Yes.
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Let's take a look.
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It's okay, Sara.
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This is my destiny.
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- Oliver.
- Barry?
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You, my friend,
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are the very best of us.
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I gave it all up
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for you and Kara.
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Mm.
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- Whew!
- What was going through your head, man,
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when you're sitting
there watching that scene,
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when you're watching history happen?
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Indeed, that was a historic
moment in many ways
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for me, personally. It
was my first day on set
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with everyone in the suits.
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It was my first day
wearing my suit on set.
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So I was so excited.
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We were just talking
about how, you know,
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much we all are fans of this
and how exciting that is.
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So I was over the moon excited.
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Then I get to set and I realize,
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"Oh, now I have to cry
over my dying father".
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Okay, let me reframe
my entire headspace.
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- But it was...
- It's weird, 'cause it's not an outfit
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that's conducive to
crying over a dead father.
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- No.
- Because it makes you feel action orientated
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- and wanna play.
- Right, you're ready to go.
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And all of a sudden, they're like, "Cry.
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- Be dramatic".
- Exactly. Also I have the...
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you know, the Stephen
Amell special boots
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that are actually Nike sneakers in...
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- sneakers inside the...
- Inside of the boot.
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- the superhero boots.
- That's the trick.
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- So you feel like bouncing around anyway.
- Right, right.
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But it was so wonderful,
and Stephen killed it.
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And everybody really came together,
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because, you know, Stephen
in a sense was the beginning
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of this entire universe.
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He's the spine. If you
were gonna make an analogy
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to another cinematic universe
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- or something like that...
- Yes.
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he's the Robert Downey,
Jr. of this universe.
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- Exactly. Exactly.
- Very strong spine upon which
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all those other shows sprang.
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Right, and what's so great
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about that is everybody really
came together to honor him
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and the work he's done to build
everything else in that moment.
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And Stephen absolutely killed it,
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so we were all a mess.
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Marc, you've been there
with "Arrow" since day one.
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It's unfair to say did you always
know you were gonna kill him?
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But was there always an idea
that when he goes, he goes?
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Yeah, I think, you know... it's funny.
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Stephen Amell and I
have talked about this
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numerous times over the years.
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And we were always of the same opinion,
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which is Oliver's journey
has to end with his death.
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So, it was always... that was
always where we were headed.
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I think, you know, the
type of guy Oliver was
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before he marooned on Lian
Yu, like, he was a jerk.
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And I've always sort of seen
"Arrow" as a redemption story.
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And, you know, this is...
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he makes the ultimate sacrifice
for the ultimate redemption.
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The challenge that we sort of had
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as we were figuring
out the crossover was,
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basically a year ago with Elseworlds,
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we basically said to the
audience, "Oliver's gonna die".
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- Yeah.
- So you may not be surprised he's dying,
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but you're certainly
surprised he's dying this fast.
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Yeah, you're like, "What? Now?" Heavens.
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- End of Hour One?
- Yeah.
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You're crazy!
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- There's four more hours to go.
- That handoff to Mia
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was a really special moment,
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where you get presented the suit.
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And that's everything
in this world, man.
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The hero passing on the mantle
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to somebody else, or giving them
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their true identity? That's everything.
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Let's take a look at
that scene right now.
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You wanted to see me?
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I did.
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I have something for you.
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What is it?
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Only one way to find out.
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Okay, please tell me you
were planning on wearing this.
246
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I don't think that
that one would fit me.
247
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There should always be
at least one Green Arrow.
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Come on, man!
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You don't even have to have a daughter
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in real life to find
that incredibly moving.
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These shows have always
been about family.
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Either the family you come from
or the family that you make.
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What do you think, man?
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Does Mia want this responsibility?
255
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You know, that's been the
toughest kind of struggle
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for Mia throughout her entire
process of being involved in this.
257
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You know, she was raised in a world
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- in which vigilantes were villainized.
- Mm.
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And she's come full circle
with that, having met her father
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and kind of gotten a look into the
difficult choices he's had to make.
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But now she's been through
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and worked through all of these issues
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and has a wonderful
relationship with her father.
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She doesn't want the responsibility
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because she doesn't want to lose him.
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- Right.
- She knows she can take it on.
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She knows she's ready for it.
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But she's finally filled
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the one missing piece of her life
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and doesn't want to lose that.
271
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And that's kind of the tragedy is that,
272
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yes, there always needs
to be one Green Arrow,
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but there's only one Green Arrow.
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So she knows that that's
coming to an end, and that's...
275
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it's difficult, you
know? But also it's...
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Stephen has been so instrumental
into passing the torch
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both on and off-screen in a sense,
278
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and so that scene meant
so much to both of us.
279
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I think we were both a little
emotional in that moment.
280
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Did you have to learn
how to shoot fake arrows?
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I did. I did. I mean, I... you know,
282
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I did archery in Girl Scout
camp when I was a kid, but...
283
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Don't brag, man.
284
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- I'm saying, like, a day or two.
- Fair enough.
285
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It's nothing like this.
But we have an amazing
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archery coach on the show
who's a master archer,
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and she's the one who trained Stephen.
288
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So as soon as I was
on the show they said,
289
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"All right, you have to learn this, too,
290
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'cause eventually
you're gonna get there".
291
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So, I went and trained with her
292
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and she is the ultimate badass.
293
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I tell you, she taught me
everything I needed to know.
294
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And there are a few scenes, though,
295
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where Oliver and Mia do
a little bit of training,
296
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and that's actually
coming up very shortly.
297
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- We get to see that.
- You do get to see that.
298
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It's such a wonderful moment
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that really bonds the two of them.
300
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Because Mia initially was
trained by Nyssa al Ghul,
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who also kind of
trained Oliver in a way,
302
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and it's a full circle.
303
00:11:28,584 --> 00:11:30,853
I remember the end of season two,
304
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Katrina Law, we're in
the big tunnel fight.
305
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Nyssa al Ghul was
firing arrows like this.
306
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And I'm like, "Katrina,
you're killing me.
307
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Seriously, every time you do that
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you're spending thousands of dollars.
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Just a little slower.
310
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Just a little bit. Help me out".
311
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- You know.
- Well, that's funny,
312
00:11:48,094 --> 00:11:50,706
because when I was on
"Supergirl", it was very different.
313
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They said, "Oh, just fire a couple
shots here and a couple shots here".
314
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I'm used to being on "Arrow",
I said, "Okay, well how many?
315
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'Cause I know there's..."
316
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And they go, "Oh, it doesn't
matter. Just as many as you can".
317
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They're like, "This is Krypton, kid.
318
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- We got all the money".
- All right, I'll just fire off all the arrows.
319
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I want to thank Kat for joining us.
320
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You did a great job on the show,
did a great job on the panel.
321
00:12:08,642 --> 00:12:10,024
- Thank you.
- Thank you so much, man.
322
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When we come back, we're
gonna meet The Monitor
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and map out the Multiverse.
324
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All that and more on "Crisis Aftermath".
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Don't quiver "Arrow"
fans. We'll be write back.
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Welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath".
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I'm Kevin Smith. As we've mentioned,
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"Crisis On Infinite Earths"
is one of the biggest
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events in TV history.
330
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But just in case you still don't
grasp the scale and scope,
331
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here's what the show's
stars have to say about it.
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- Check it out.
- Action.
333
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It's huge.
334
00:12:51,826 --> 00:12:53,826
We've never seen anything
like this on television.
335
00:12:53,827 --> 00:12:55,162
- Yeah, it's big.
- It's insane.
336
00:12:55,163 --> 00:12:57,597
Unfeasable, unthinkable,
absurd, outlandish!
337
00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:01,168
I never thought in a million years
338
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that they would be able to do
a "Crisis On Infinite Earths".
339
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Take cover!
340
00:13:07,808 --> 00:13:10,301
I don't know if you can actually
technically get bigger than
341
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"Crisis On Infinite Earths".
342
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I can handle it.
343
00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,150
Every hero imaginable is here.
344
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It's massive.
345
00:13:19,253 --> 00:13:21,486
We are making television history.
346
00:13:23,657 --> 00:13:25,190
This is never gonna happen again.
347
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Mm. Lots of things are
never gonna happen again.
348
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Joining us now is the man responsible
349
00:13:34,037 --> 00:13:36,038
for the biggest Crisis ever.
350
00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,708
The Monitor himself,
LaMonica Garrett, man.
351
00:13:38,709 --> 00:13:39,998
- How are you?
- I'm good, man.
352
00:13:39,999 --> 00:13:41,444
- Thanks for having me.
- Thank you for being here.
353
00:13:41,445 --> 00:13:42,868
The Monitor is arguably one
354
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of the most important characters
in the DC universe, okay?
355
00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:47,450
How do you handle
356
00:13:47,451 --> 00:13:49,945
the pressure of playing a part that big?
357
00:13:49,946 --> 00:13:52,848
As a DC fan, it's easy to
get caught up in the magnitude
358
00:13:52,849 --> 00:13:54,449
of who he is and what
his presence means.
359
00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:57,119
But as the actor, I got
to focus on his objective
360
00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,988
and just going after what
he needs and what he wants.
361
00:13:59,989 --> 00:14:01,790
And how is that... like, as an actor?
362
00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:04,026
Normally you play the
objective in a normal world.
363
00:14:04,027 --> 00:14:08,156
- This guy's objective is cosmic.
- It's more than global.
364
00:14:08,157 --> 00:14:09,898
It's cosmic. It's universes.
365
00:14:09,899 --> 00:14:12,067
It's the biggest thing
I've ever tackled,
366
00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:13,489
but it's been awesome.
367
00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:15,470
What was it like
strapping on the costume?
368
00:14:15,471 --> 00:14:16,923
It was constricting.
369
00:14:16,924 --> 00:14:20,305
Yeah, constricting and, uh...
370
00:14:20,306 --> 00:14:22,878
yeah, it... aesthetics first.
371
00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,579
- Yeah, welcome...
- As long as it looked...
372
00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:26,115
as long as it looked
the part, it was good.
373
00:14:26,116 --> 00:14:27,149
Welcome to the superhero game,
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00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:29,817
where your movement is very limited.
375
00:14:29,818 --> 00:14:32,320
- What movement?
- Yes.
376
00:14:32,321 --> 00:14:35,890
As The Monitor, man, you're pretty
much constantly pissing people off.
377
00:14:35,891 --> 00:14:38,326
Let's take another look at
a pivotal moment with you.
378
00:14:38,327 --> 00:14:39,961
Check it out.
379
00:14:39,962 --> 00:14:41,996
I spared your friends' lives
380
00:14:41,997 --> 00:14:44,599
so they could save
their world last year.
381
00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,770
This is a very different threat.
382
00:14:48,771 --> 00:14:51,139
You need to stop playing games with me.
383
00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:54,408
You tell me why the
Anti-Monitor is doing this.
384
00:14:56,512 --> 00:14:59,180
And then tell me how
I'm gonna prevent it.
385
00:14:59,181 --> 00:15:01,115
Not knowing what you are fighting
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00:15:01,116 --> 00:15:03,951
means you'll prepare
for every possibility.
387
00:15:03,952 --> 00:15:06,453
Because this threat brings with it
388
00:15:06,454 --> 00:15:10,857
the annihilation of all
life in all realities.
389
00:15:11,927 --> 00:15:15,129
Do you now comprehend the scope
390
00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:17,698
of the danger we all now face?
391
00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:23,370
Something so interesting
about The Monitor
392
00:15:23,371 --> 00:15:26,164
is you never know how much
you can trust him, man.
393
00:15:26,165 --> 00:15:28,142
Like, how do you approach playing that?
394
00:15:28,143 --> 00:15:30,845
I think the writers
take more credit that...
395
00:15:30,846 --> 00:15:32,479
you know, than me,
396
00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,735
but they write it well.
They write him well.
397
00:15:34,736 --> 00:15:36,295
But I think anyone that shows up
398
00:15:36,296 --> 00:15:38,985
delivering that much bad
news with a straight face,
399
00:15:38,986 --> 00:15:40,553
you're not going to trust them too much.
400
00:15:40,554 --> 00:15:42,289
Let me ask you this. When you got cast
401
00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:44,634
did you go out and get
the "Crisis" issues?
402
00:15:44,635 --> 00:15:47,160
Like, 'cause Monitor's on a
lot of the covers and whatnot.
403
00:15:47,161 --> 00:15:48,628
- Yeah.
- Were you like, "It's me!"
404
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:50,663
I didn't know I got cast
as The Monitor at first.
405
00:15:50,664 --> 00:15:52,765
- Really?
- Yeah, Marc had to tell me after the fact.
406
00:15:52,766 --> 00:15:54,616
But I didn't who I was reading for.
407
00:15:54,617 --> 00:15:56,526
- Not after you shot the crossover.
- No, no, no.
408
00:15:56,527 --> 00:15:58,004
"Guess what? You were The Monitor".
409
00:15:58,005 --> 00:16:00,124
But I got "Crisis"...
410
00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,342
I was familiar with it as a fan.
411
00:16:02,343 --> 00:16:05,245
And when I knew I was The Monitor,
I went back, got it, reread it.
412
00:16:05,246 --> 00:16:07,881
And then when I was... found out
I was playing the Anti-Monitor,
413
00:16:07,882 --> 00:16:10,282
I went back and reread it
again with a fresh set of eyes.
414
00:16:10,283 --> 00:16:11,583
- So, yeah.
- Very, very cool, man.
415
00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:13,785
With all the suiting up
that was going on on set,
416
00:16:13,786 --> 00:16:16,631
was there any sort of like,
"Hey, no pictures. No pictures"?
417
00:16:16,632 --> 00:16:18,423
We're always saying, "No
pictures. No pictures".
418
00:16:18,424 --> 00:16:20,459
And if anyone's been on Twitter,
419
00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:22,194
- you know how successful we were.
- Yeah.
420
00:16:22,195 --> 00:16:24,296
- All pictures, all pictures!
- All pictures all the time.
421
00:16:24,297 --> 00:16:27,967
Is there anything you could tell
us about The Monitor's backstory
422
00:16:27,968 --> 00:16:29,869
that maybe we didn't get from the show?
423
00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:32,104
Actually, you know, one of the
fun things that we're doing...
424
00:16:32,105 --> 00:16:33,228
This is a spoiler.
425
00:16:33,229 --> 00:16:34,855
This is something we
haven't told anybody,
426
00:16:34,856 --> 00:16:37,142
is we're gonna open Hour Four,
427
00:16:37,143 --> 00:16:38,777
which is the "Arrow"
hour, which is come...
428
00:16:38,778 --> 00:16:40,619
it's not even on until January.
429
00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:42,447
Yeah, 2020 we gotta wait for that.
430
00:16:42,448 --> 00:16:44,837
We open with basically the
mother of all flashbacks.
431
00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,681
And we basically do the
secret origin of The Monitor
432
00:16:47,682 --> 00:16:49,687
- and the Anti-Monitor. Yeah.
- Really?
433
00:16:49,688 --> 00:16:51,689
And actually that whole sequence,
434
00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:54,366
the first draft of it was actually
written by Marv Wolfman.
435
00:16:54,367 --> 00:16:56,327
- Get out of here. Really?
- Yeah. Yeah.
436
00:16:56,328 --> 00:16:58,052
Has he been working on the shows
437
00:16:58,053 --> 00:16:59,463
or did you just pull him in for Crisis?
438
00:16:59,464 --> 00:17:01,199
We pulled him in for the "Arrow" hour.
439
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,067
He and I co-wrote the "Arrow" hour.
440
00:17:03,068 --> 00:17:05,340
So it... like, for
all of us who are like,
441
00:17:05,341 --> 00:17:07,172
"Oh, my God, I can't believe
they're doing Crisis".
442
00:17:07,173 --> 00:17:08,806
His mind must be bent.
443
00:17:08,807 --> 00:17:13,577
He is... he's just been so
fantastic and so enthusiastic.
444
00:17:13,578 --> 00:17:16,147
And, you know, he came in
and met with all the writers
445
00:17:16,148 --> 00:17:17,581
across all the superhero shows
446
00:17:17,582 --> 00:17:19,449
and just sort of held
court for two hours
447
00:17:19,450 --> 00:17:21,718
just telling us all about
the history of "Crisis",
448
00:17:21,719 --> 00:17:24,221
the history of DC comics, you name it.
449
00:17:24,222 --> 00:17:27,291
It was like getting a
master class in superheroes
450
00:17:27,292 --> 00:17:29,626
from, obviously, one of the masters.
451
00:17:29,627 --> 00:17:32,097
Dani, when did "Crisis"
come into your life?
452
00:17:32,098 --> 00:17:34,029
As a DC fan, it didn't come in
453
00:17:34,030 --> 00:17:36,599
to my collecting until a
few years into my collecting
454
00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,902
when somebody was like, "Hey, you
know they got to one universe?"
455
00:17:38,903 --> 00:17:40,760
Then I went back and read
it. When did you fall in?
456
00:17:40,761 --> 00:17:42,594
It wasn't until I was an adult.
457
00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:44,107
And even then, I think I had...
458
00:17:44,108 --> 00:17:47,468
like, I didn't fully
grasp the magnitude of it.
459
00:17:47,469 --> 00:17:50,113
I'm very fascinated to
hear about his origin.
460
00:17:50,114 --> 00:17:51,472
I think it would be funny
if they just wrote in,
461
00:17:51,473 --> 00:17:55,651
like, the teenage years of The Monitor.
462
00:17:55,652 --> 00:17:57,519
Even though I know that's like not...
463
00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,752
but that would be hilarious.
I think, just, you know...
464
00:17:59,753 --> 00:18:03,059
The kids in high school
did give him a lot of crap
465
00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:05,428
for his mutton chops as I recall.
466
00:18:05,429 --> 00:18:07,304
- Yeah.
- But oddly enough, not the outfit.
467
00:18:07,305 --> 00:18:08,364
The outfit they were fine with.
468
00:18:08,365 --> 00:18:09,565
The outfit was totally... it's funny.
469
00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:12,234
Actually, we give you...
in that origin story,
470
00:18:12,235 --> 00:18:14,070
we give you an
explanation for the outfit.
471
00:18:14,071 --> 00:18:15,537
- Really?
- Yeah. Yeah.
472
00:18:15,538 --> 00:18:18,240
What themes were you
focused on in Crisis?
473
00:18:18,241 --> 00:18:21,010
What did you want to bring out
the most in the storytelling?
474
00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:22,979
Sacrifice and redemption.
475
00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:25,181
I mean, and pretty much...
476
00:18:25,182 --> 00:18:26,582
- Jeez, I wonder who that smells like.
- I know where...
477
00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:28,416
- where did that come from?
- Yeah.
478
00:18:28,417 --> 00:18:31,553
But, like, you know, every character
is sort of dealing with that.
479
00:18:31,554 --> 00:18:33,421
And I think one of the
other sort of subthemes
480
00:18:33,422 --> 00:18:36,024
is the concept of passing the torch.
481
00:18:36,025 --> 00:18:38,694
- Mm-hmm.
- And it's not just the passing of the torch
482
00:18:38,695 --> 00:18:40,529
from Oliver to Mia.
483
00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:42,598
It's, you know... you'll sort of see.
484
00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,734
I don't wanna spoil too much,
but there's a lot of, you know,
485
00:18:45,735 --> 00:18:48,470
passing of the torch and
keeping the flame alive
486
00:18:48,471 --> 00:18:51,127
that goes throughout the
entire five-hour event.
487
00:18:51,128 --> 00:18:52,608
Uh, I don't know what anyone told you,
488
00:18:52,609 --> 00:18:54,333
but we brought you here to spoil things.
489
00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:56,333
So don't be hiding things.
490
00:18:56,334 --> 00:18:59,447
As you can see, the
Multiverse is vast and complex,
491
00:18:59,448 --> 00:19:01,883
and a lot of people are
intimidated by that, man.
492
00:19:01,884 --> 00:19:03,543
But we're going to
show you all how simple
493
00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:05,387
and straightforward it really is.
494
00:19:05,388 --> 00:19:08,390
We brought in Chancellor Agard
from "Entertainment Weekly"
495
00:19:08,391 --> 00:19:10,992
to walk us through the
state of the Multiverse.
496
00:19:10,993 --> 00:19:15,063
Chancellor, bring out your pointer, man!
497
00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:18,511
Well, the Multiverse is down
six Earths after this episode,
498
00:19:18,512 --> 00:19:20,235
including Earth 2, which faded to dust
499
00:19:20,236 --> 00:19:21,769
in the "Arrow" season eight premiere.
500
00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:23,405
Tonight, we started on Earth 89.
501
00:19:23,406 --> 00:19:25,440
- So, wait hold on. It's gone.
- Gone. It's gone already.
502
00:19:25,441 --> 00:19:27,370
- Okay.
- So we started on Earth 89,
503
00:19:27,371 --> 00:19:29,192
- where we saw Robert Wuhl...
- Robert Wuhl's back!
504
00:19:29,193 --> 00:19:31,019
- ... from the Tim Burton movies.
- And then?
505
00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:32,113
- Gone.
- Gone.
506
00:19:32,114 --> 00:19:34,248
Presumably along with Michael Keaton.
507
00:19:34,249 --> 00:19:36,016
From there, we traveled
across the cameo-verse
508
00:19:36,017 --> 00:19:38,419
to Earth 9, home of DC
Universe's "Titans"...
509
00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:39,781
- And?
- ... in the first ever...
510
00:19:39,782 --> 00:19:42,268
- oh, that's gone, too, yeah.
- In the first ever Arrowverse
511
00:19:42,269 --> 00:19:43,757
crossover with a streaming show.
512
00:19:43,758 --> 00:19:45,426
But they're dead already, so...
513
00:19:45,427 --> 00:19:46,593
Gone. What was the point?
514
00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:48,828
From there, Earth X went next,
515
00:19:48,829 --> 00:19:51,365
and then Earth 66 was the next
to go, along with Burt Ward
516
00:19:51,366 --> 00:19:53,200
who played Robin in the
classic Batman series
517
00:19:53,201 --> 00:19:55,469
- from 1966.
- So absolutely cruel.
518
00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:57,438
Holy dead, Robin.
519
00:19:57,439 --> 00:20:00,353
And then the anti-matter wave
started traveling towards Argo,
520
00:20:00,354 --> 00:20:03,277
which is where Superman,
Lois Lane, baby Jonathan,
521
00:20:03,278 --> 00:20:06,246
and Supergirl's mom Alura were living.
522
00:20:06,247 --> 00:20:08,281
But she's dead now.
523
00:20:08,282 --> 00:20:10,783
Luckily, Clark and Lois aren't, though,
524
00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:13,986
because the Harbinger
teleported them to Earth 38.
525
00:20:13,987 --> 00:20:18,624
And then baby Jonathan
zipped off in an escape pod.
526
00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:21,154
At the same time, Harbinger
then traveled to Earth 1,
527
00:20:21,155 --> 00:20:22,295
where she collected Oliver,
528
00:20:22,296 --> 00:20:24,630
Mia, Ray, Sara, Kate, Barry,
529
00:20:24,631 --> 00:20:26,699
and brought them all over to Earth 38.
530
00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:31,404
Meanwhile, Sara, Lois, and
Brainy travel to Earth 16
531
00:20:31,405 --> 00:20:33,406
to find baby Jonathan,
532
00:20:33,407 --> 00:20:35,141
who was in a future version of Star City
533
00:20:35,142 --> 00:20:36,976
with old man Oliver Queen.
534
00:20:36,977 --> 00:20:39,321
After all that, though,
Earth 38 was still wiped out
535
00:20:39,322 --> 00:20:40,646
by the Anti-Monitor.
536
00:20:40,647 --> 00:20:43,281
Luckily, though, our heroes managed
537
00:20:43,282 --> 00:20:45,683
to save about a couple
billion people and themselves
538
00:20:45,684 --> 00:20:47,150
and bring them all the
way back to Earth 1,
539
00:20:47,151 --> 00:20:48,186
which is where we left them.
540
00:20:48,187 --> 00:20:50,555
Okay. That covers everything.
541
00:20:50,556 --> 00:20:52,257
- Everything, yeah.
- Give it up for Chancellor.
542
00:20:52,258 --> 00:20:55,193
That was excellent. Pretty damn amazing.
543
00:20:55,194 --> 00:20:56,961
All right, man, I'm sweating.
544
00:20:56,962 --> 00:20:58,396
That was a lot to take in, man.
545
00:20:58,397 --> 00:20:59,830
Before we go further, I want to thank
546
00:20:59,831 --> 00:21:01,433
LaMonica Garrett for joining us.
547
00:21:01,434 --> 00:21:02,800
Excellent job.
548
00:21:02,801 --> 00:21:05,604
When we return, we
mourn our fallen heroes
549
00:21:05,605 --> 00:21:07,839
and hear some very
interesting fan predictions.
550
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,441
Back in a flash with
more "Crisis Aftermath".
551
00:21:23,481 --> 00:21:25,249
Welcome back, my dear super friends.
552
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:27,484
This is "Crisis Aftermath",
and I'm Kevin Smith.
553
00:21:27,485 --> 00:21:29,819
We are delighted to have
the executive producer
554
00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:31,893
of "Supergirl" Robert
Rovner here with us.
555
00:21:31,894 --> 00:21:33,823
- How you doing, Robert?
- I'm super.
556
00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:35,559
You got... oh, my Lord.
557
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,994
Well-written. Like all great sagas,
558
00:21:37,995 --> 00:21:39,996
families are central to the DC Universe,
559
00:21:39,997 --> 00:21:41,998
especially its most famous couple,
560
00:21:41,999 --> 00:21:43,499
Superman and Lois Lane.
561
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,469
Tonight, they had their
world completely upended.
562
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:47,703
Let's look.
563
00:21:47,704 --> 00:21:49,671
Quickly, with me.
564
00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:53,676
We must set a course for Earth.
565
00:21:53,677 --> 00:21:55,178
Hopefully they'll have enough time
566
00:21:55,179 --> 00:21:56,845
to stop this wave before it hits.
567
00:21:58,048 --> 00:22:00,950
Where are the rest?
568
00:22:00,951 --> 00:22:02,818
There are no others. Only this one.
569
00:22:08,859 --> 00:22:11,494
You know, it seems like Kryptonians
are always sending their kids
570
00:22:11,495 --> 00:22:13,229
off in a space pod.
571
00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:15,497
Is this just a rite of
passage at this point?
572
00:22:15,498 --> 00:22:17,065
Is this what they do?
573
00:22:17,066 --> 00:22:19,467
Nobody ever told them, like,
there could be another plan.
574
00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:22,337
They should've... they should've
prepared more, built some more pods.
575
00:22:22,338 --> 00:22:24,406
- True.
- But, unfortunately, it didn't work out that way.
576
00:22:24,407 --> 00:22:26,875
The whole planet should just
be a series of pods ready to go
577
00:22:26,876 --> 00:22:28,725
at any moment so everyone could leave.
578
00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:31,069
But, no, it's always just
big enough for a baby.
579
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:35,084
What was it like to kind
of jump back and re-examine
580
00:22:35,085 --> 00:22:39,321
a moment that is huge,
iconic in comic book history,
581
00:22:39,322 --> 00:22:40,856
but then put through
this different prism?
582
00:22:40,857 --> 00:22:44,064
Very daunting for us to...
you know, wanted to pay homage
583
00:22:44,065 --> 00:22:46,715
to the canon and to...
you know, we're all...
584
00:22:46,716 --> 00:22:50,530
a lot of our inspiration comes
from the Donner movies,
585
00:22:50,531 --> 00:22:52,466
and so we wanted to pay
homage to that as well.
586
00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:54,168
We're really excited
to have this opportunity
587
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:56,170
to show it through Kal-El's eyes
588
00:22:56,171 --> 00:22:58,840
and to do it with Kal-El and Lois.
589
00:22:58,841 --> 00:23:01,209
It's always nice to
include Superman, but, like,
590
00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:04,445
the inability to play
with the Superman IP
591
00:23:04,446 --> 00:23:05,947
is kind of where "Supergirl" came from.
592
00:23:05,948 --> 00:23:08,782
And you guys built
something really wonderful.
593
00:23:08,783 --> 00:23:11,752
In a world where it's like,
"Oh, we can't touch the big guy.
594
00:23:11,753 --> 00:23:14,455
We can tell every Superman story
we ever dreamed about telling
595
00:23:14,456 --> 00:23:16,590
through the prism of Supergirl".
596
00:23:16,591 --> 00:23:20,392
And in doing so, expanded and
diversified the Arrowverse.
597
00:23:20,393 --> 00:23:24,631
What do we see happening
for the Maiden of Might
598
00:23:24,632 --> 00:23:26,467
in the rest of the series here?
599
00:23:26,468 --> 00:23:29,470
Is she... like the cover of one
600
00:23:29,471 --> 00:23:32,539
of the very famous issues of
"Crisis On Infinite Earths",
601
00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:36,910
is she gonna be winding up
in somebody's arms lifeless?
602
00:23:36,911 --> 00:23:40,013
- I can't give any spoilers.
- Come on, Robert!
603
00:23:40,014 --> 00:23:44,017
She has a very emotional
journey in the rest of Crisis.
604
00:23:44,018 --> 00:23:45,352
You know, I think one of
the things that happens
605
00:23:45,353 --> 00:23:47,688
in this hour, she sees Argo destroyed.
606
00:23:47,689 --> 00:23:50,624
And so she really is on a
mission to try and save that.
607
00:23:50,625 --> 00:23:52,893
You know, she's always a character
that's full of a lot of hope,
608
00:23:52,894 --> 00:23:54,928
and so she wants to, you know,
609
00:23:54,929 --> 00:23:56,596
both stop the inevitable
610
00:23:56,597 --> 00:23:58,398
and correct what the
Anti-Monitor is up to,
611
00:23:58,399 --> 00:24:00,533
- which is not good.
- Can I just say
612
00:24:00,534 --> 00:24:02,802
this moment with Clark
and Lois when he was like,
613
00:24:02,803 --> 00:24:04,370
"Where's the other
ships?" And she's like,
614
00:24:04,371 --> 00:24:07,306
"There aren't any".
I was like, "Oh, no!"
615
00:24:07,307 --> 00:24:10,042
I was like, "Can they
just win once and awhile?"
616
00:24:10,043 --> 00:24:11,778
This man is so selfless.
617
00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:14,580
Like, he went off to have
his family on another planet.
618
00:24:14,581 --> 00:24:16,148
Like, just let him have this moment.
619
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:18,317
Of course, they came back, but...
620
00:24:18,318 --> 00:24:20,986
I also think I'm excited
because in the comics,
621
00:24:20,987 --> 00:24:24,123
Alexander, you know,
actually has some part.
622
00:24:24,124 --> 00:24:25,991
And I know that Jonathan stays a baby.
623
00:24:25,992 --> 00:24:28,994
But I'm like, "There's no way
this super baby isn't popping in".
624
00:24:28,995 --> 00:24:31,029
Like, even if it's
just to, like, punch...
625
00:24:31,030 --> 00:24:32,330
punch someone,
626
00:24:32,331 --> 00:24:34,466
I'm sure the super baby
will pop up somewhere.
627
00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:36,167
All the heroes in the Arrowverse
628
00:24:36,168 --> 00:24:37,502
are all these such strong leads,
629
00:24:37,503 --> 00:24:39,838
but you guys got some gold in Tyler.
630
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:41,339
Tyler is absolutely wonderful.
631
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,909
We caught up with Tyler, AKA Clark Kent,
632
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:45,977
and got his thoughts on the Man of Steel
633
00:24:45,978 --> 00:24:49,180
becoming the dad of steel. Check it out.
634
00:24:49,181 --> 00:24:51,683
Hi. Jonathan really has your eyes, huh?
635
00:24:51,684 --> 00:24:53,518
I'll take it.
636
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:54,686
It's a new realization, I think,
637
00:24:54,687 --> 00:24:56,354
for him of how fragile life really is,
638
00:24:56,355 --> 00:24:58,246
and not because he's
afraid of losing his,
639
00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,092
but he's afraid of not
being there for his son.
640
00:25:00,093 --> 00:25:02,260
So it's definitely
something new to take on
641
00:25:02,261 --> 00:25:04,381
and a new perspective to
look at the world through,
642
00:25:04,382 --> 00:25:07,716
but it's been a fun challenge.
643
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,136
How does being a father affect Superman?
644
00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:14,138
I think it really raises
the stakes for him.
645
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:17,008
You know, not only is he trying
646
00:25:17,009 --> 00:25:20,345
to protect the universe
for his son, but he really,
647
00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:21,712
I think, feels much more deeply
648
00:25:21,713 --> 00:25:23,147
what he could lose.
649
00:25:23,148 --> 00:25:24,482
They've lost their baby
650
00:25:24,483 --> 00:25:26,317
in time and space many, many times.
651
00:25:26,318 --> 00:25:30,038
Should Lois and Clark also lose custody?
652
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,290
- I would say no.
- I don't think Kryptonians
653
00:25:32,291 --> 00:25:33,815
should ever be allowed to have children.
654
00:25:33,816 --> 00:25:35,526
Because they don't know
what to do with them.
655
00:25:35,527 --> 00:25:36,994
They're like, "Hey,
there's an earthquake".
656
00:25:36,995 --> 00:25:39,463
"Let's throw the baby into space!"
657
00:25:39,464 --> 00:25:41,564
I also love that they
send them to humans.
658
00:25:41,565 --> 00:25:43,442
Like, he's actually super powered,
659
00:25:43,443 --> 00:25:44,734
but they're giving this super powered
660
00:25:44,735 --> 00:25:48,228
little individual to the least responsible
people that can handle it.
661
00:25:48,229 --> 00:25:50,307
"This will work out.
Send him to primates".
662
00:25:50,308 --> 00:25:53,176
"Crisis On Infinite Earths"
may have just begun,
663
00:25:53,177 --> 00:25:55,712
but we already have to
say some good-byes, man.
664
00:25:55,713 --> 00:25:57,514
Let's take a moment to pay tribute
665
00:25:57,515 --> 00:25:59,349
to all those humans, metahumans,
666
00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:02,785
and entire civilizations
that we lost tonight.
667
00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:35,818
You, my friend,
668
00:26:35,819 --> 00:26:38,587
are the very best of us.
669
00:26:45,996 --> 00:26:48,329
Holy crimson skies of death!
670
00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:56,004
Robert, I want to thank
you so much for joining us,
671
00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:58,240
giving us a little of
the inside dirt, man.
672
00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:00,842
Don't go anywhere
because when we come back
673
00:27:00,843 --> 00:27:02,778
we'll get the scoop on the Arrowverse's
674
00:27:02,779 --> 00:27:04,780
newest hero Batwoman.
675
00:27:04,781 --> 00:27:07,116
We were Krypton long
before we were Krypt-off.
676
00:27:07,117 --> 00:27:10,118
Stick around for more
"Crisis Aftermath".
677
00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:27,392
Hello and welcome back
to "Crisis Aftermath",
678
00:27:27,393 --> 00:27:28,827
one of an infinite number
679
00:27:28,828 --> 00:27:31,896
of "Crisis On Infinite Earths"
aftershows currently airing
680
00:27:31,897 --> 00:27:33,331
in the known universes.
681
00:27:33,332 --> 00:27:35,127
I'm one of your
infinite number of hosts,
682
00:27:35,128 --> 00:27:36,234
Kevin Smith prime.
683
00:27:36,235 --> 00:27:37,902
When we first see Batwoman,
684
00:27:37,903 --> 00:27:40,739
she's busy kicking
people's butts in Gotham.
685
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,907
So when Harbinger
teleports her to Earth 38
686
00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:44,908
to help prevent the
destruction of the Multiverse,
687
00:27:44,909 --> 00:27:47,344
it's a little disorientating.
Let's look.
688
00:27:47,345 --> 00:27:50,781
Kara, where are we
and what just happened?
689
00:27:50,782 --> 00:27:53,950
- Um...
- You're on Earth 38.
690
00:27:53,951 --> 00:27:56,453
There was...
691
00:27:56,454 --> 00:27:58,021
That rabbit was about to talk.
692
00:27:58,022 --> 00:27:59,890
This one speaks to rabbits.
693
00:27:59,891 --> 00:28:03,262
It's okay. We're all on the same side.
694
00:28:03,263 --> 00:28:05,696
Are we? 'Cause I don't know them.
695
00:28:05,697 --> 00:28:06,930
But you know me.
696
00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:09,366
And if you were brought here
with all these other heroes,
697
00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:11,602
it's probably because we need you.
698
00:28:11,603 --> 00:28:15,438
I trust everyone in this room
with my life, including you.
699
00:28:22,713 --> 00:28:25,615
Well, I guess you should
all just call me Kate.
700
00:28:25,616 --> 00:28:27,783
Oh, that's awesome! Joining us now
701
00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:30,753
is the showrunner of CW's
"Batwoman", Caroline Dries.
702
00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:32,655
- Man, how are you?
- I'm good, thank you.
703
00:28:32,656 --> 00:28:34,572
So good to have you
here. What's going on
704
00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:38,361
in Batwoman's life before she's
called in for this giant epic?
705
00:28:38,362 --> 00:28:42,399
Yeah, Batwoman has been
spending most of the season
706
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,235
trying to convince herself
and everyone that she loves
707
00:28:45,236 --> 00:28:46,736
that her sister Alice,
708
00:28:46,737 --> 00:28:48,181
who's the big villain of the season,
709
00:28:48,182 --> 00:28:49,844
that she can be redeemed,
710
00:28:49,845 --> 00:28:51,832
that there's some humanity left in her.
711
00:28:51,833 --> 00:28:53,675
- And that's her Joker.
- Yeah.
712
00:28:53,676 --> 00:28:57,313
That's sort of like her crazy,
maniacal Joker counterpart,
713
00:28:57,314 --> 00:28:59,348
and it's also her twin sister.
714
00:28:59,349 --> 00:29:03,129
And so Batwoman is convinced,
"Look, I can save her.
715
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:05,154
She's worth the time. She's good.
716
00:29:05,155 --> 00:29:06,521
She's got good deep down in her".
717
00:29:06,522 --> 00:29:10,192
And in the last episode before Crisis,
718
00:29:10,193 --> 00:29:12,394
Alice does the unthinkable.
719
00:29:12,395 --> 00:29:15,397
She kills somebody very close to Kate
720
00:29:15,398 --> 00:29:18,567
and proves that she actually
probably isn't redeemable.
721
00:29:18,568 --> 00:29:21,036
And right now as Kate's
entering this Crisis,
722
00:29:21,037 --> 00:29:23,538
she's starting to wonder, you know,
723
00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:26,541
"Should I put my hope in
humanity? Is it worth it?
724
00:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,749
Am I capable of bringing
out the good in people?
725
00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:29,877
What am I actually doing?"
726
00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:33,381
How does she feel amongst
these superpowered individuals,
727
00:29:33,382 --> 00:29:36,284
as someone who is fighting
without superpowers?
728
00:29:36,285 --> 00:29:37,485
Yeah, it's tricky.
729
00:29:37,486 --> 00:29:39,553
You know, I think of being a superhero
730
00:29:39,554 --> 00:29:43,391
when you have the fate of the world
731
00:29:43,392 --> 00:29:45,126
riding on your shoulders,
732
00:29:45,127 --> 00:29:48,229
it's mostly about just
showing up to fight the fight.
733
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:51,065
And does she know if a batarang's
going to work on a shadow demon?
734
00:29:51,066 --> 00:29:52,600
You know? She's never done it before.
735
00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:54,335
But that's what makes her special,
736
00:29:54,336 --> 00:29:55,970
is that she's willing to do it.
737
00:29:55,971 --> 00:29:58,506
Anybody who loves to play in this field
738
00:29:58,507 --> 00:30:02,175
- dreams about playing with Gotham City IP.
- Yes.
739
00:30:02,176 --> 00:30:04,577
What has it been like to run around
740
00:30:04,578 --> 00:30:06,513
- and do what you want with Gotham City?
- It is such a gift.
741
00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:10,217
Obviously, Gotham is the second
biggest character on our show,
742
00:30:10,218 --> 00:30:14,087
and we've had such a
fun time tapping into
743
00:30:14,088 --> 00:30:17,057
some of the more familiar
characters and villains.
744
00:30:17,058 --> 00:30:19,592
And we're also conscientious
745
00:30:19,593 --> 00:30:21,561
that the audience has
a certain expectation
746
00:30:21,562 --> 00:30:23,248
when they see these bad guys
747
00:30:23,249 --> 00:30:24,431
that they've seen a million times
748
00:30:24,432 --> 00:30:26,366
- and they want a little spin on it.
- Right.
749
00:30:26,367 --> 00:30:29,102
And we wanna try to tell stories
that haven't been seen before.
750
00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:32,805
So there's just such a vast
encyclopedia of characters,
751
00:30:32,806 --> 00:30:34,393
and they're all so weird and colorful.
752
00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:38,210
And the fun part about
Gotham is that the crazy
753
00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:40,312
is built into the DNA of the city.
754
00:30:40,313 --> 00:30:42,072
So she's going up against these villains
755
00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:44,175
who are just as strong as she is.
756
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:45,885
Has there... and this
is just inside baseball.
757
00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:47,637
Has there been any
villain that they're like,
758
00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,164
- "You can't touch that?"
- Uh, yes.
759
00:30:49,165 --> 00:30:50,222
A lot, right?
760
00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:52,959
- Yeah.
- I imagine you can speak to that as well.
761
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,761
I'm sure that...
762
00:30:54,762 --> 00:30:57,797
I'm sure there's no billion dollar movie
763
00:30:57,798 --> 00:31:00,299
of a character that, uh,
764
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,368
is related to this decision at all.
765
00:31:02,369 --> 00:31:03,803
Still, like, you know,
766
00:31:03,804 --> 00:31:05,738
the fact of the matter is
the Arrowverse has proven
767
00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:08,908
that you can do big budget storytelling
768
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:11,276
with vast cast, just as adventurous,
769
00:31:11,277 --> 00:31:13,244
just as... it captures the imagination
770
00:31:13,245 --> 00:31:15,413
as they do in the cinema.
771
00:31:15,414 --> 00:31:18,083
And it seems to me from the outside,
772
00:31:18,084 --> 00:31:19,417
in the beginning it was very,
773
00:31:19,418 --> 00:31:21,352
"You can only use this guy and this guy,
774
00:31:21,353 --> 00:31:23,088
and don't even reference this stuff".
775
00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:25,824
It seems to be loosening up.
776
00:31:25,825 --> 00:31:27,626
I always look at it as
the glass is half full.
777
00:31:27,627 --> 00:31:30,428
We never in a million years
778
00:31:30,429 --> 00:31:32,141
when we first started the Arrowverse,
779
00:31:32,142 --> 00:31:33,421
thought we were ever...
780
00:31:33,422 --> 00:31:36,218
Superman, Batwoman, Gotham City?
781
00:31:36,219 --> 00:31:37,242
Forget about it.
782
00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:39,437
So, it's all a gift.
783
00:31:39,438 --> 00:31:42,275
I want to thank Caroline
Dries for coming to join us.
784
00:31:42,276 --> 00:31:44,775
Thank you for representing Gotham
785
00:31:44,776 --> 00:31:46,111
- in the Arrowverse.
- Thank you.
786
00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:47,445
It's a big thing, big thing.
787
00:31:47,446 --> 00:31:49,614
And when we come back, I go head to head
788
00:31:49,615 --> 00:31:51,416
against my podcast cohost
789
00:31:51,417 --> 00:31:53,784
and primary life rival Marc Bernardin
790
00:31:53,785 --> 00:31:55,476
in a game of DC trivia.
791
00:31:55,477 --> 00:31:57,037
Keep it right here, man.
792
00:31:57,038 --> 00:32:00,274
Same bat time, same bat channel.
793
00:32:14,326 --> 00:32:16,593
Hello, and welcome back
to "Crisis Aftermath".
794
00:32:16,594 --> 00:32:18,929
Joining us here on the stage of destiny
795
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:20,831
is my friend and Fat Man Beyond cohost
796
00:32:20,832 --> 00:32:22,332
Mark Bernardin. Welcome, Mark.
797
00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:23,924
- Hey!
- How are you?
798
00:32:23,925 --> 00:32:25,703
- I'm amazing.
- Now, it's confusing
799
00:32:25,704 --> 00:32:28,159
for the home viewer, because
Dani's in my seat now.
800
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,941
That's because she's
gonna be the games master
801
00:32:30,942 --> 00:32:32,109
for a little competition
802
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:35,079
we like to call Crisis: After Feud.
803
00:32:37,682 --> 00:32:39,616
Thank you, Kevin. I am going to ask
804
00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:40,951
a series of trivia questions
805
00:32:40,952 --> 00:32:42,970
about the DC Universe.
806
00:32:42,971 --> 00:32:46,581
If you have an answer, please raise
your specially made Crisis paddle
807
00:32:46,582 --> 00:32:47,816
and I'll call on you.
808
00:32:47,817 --> 00:32:50,127
- Trash talking is encouraged.
- Oh, thank God.
809
00:32:50,128 --> 00:32:53,296
Extra points will be assigned
for making the other person cry.
810
00:32:53,297 --> 00:32:55,265
Whoa. I brought tissues.
811
00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:58,401
The winner will be awarded the
prize of never shutting up about it.
812
00:32:58,402 --> 00:32:59,869
So, gentlemen, are you ready?
813
00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:01,926
- Yes!
- All right, first question.
814
00:33:01,927 --> 00:33:05,480
_
815
00:33:05,481 --> 00:33:07,705
_
816
00:33:07,706 --> 00:33:10,219
You might've wanted to work
up to the hard ones, Dani.
817
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:13,750
- Yes, Marc.
- Scientific Technical Advanced Research?
818
00:33:13,751 --> 00:33:17,254
- Oh, yeah, but there's an "A" in there, friend.
- Advanced.
819
00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:19,122
Oh, yeah, you said that.
Okay, never mind. Sorry.
820
00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,157
- Did I get a point?
- Yeah, you got it.
821
00:33:21,158 --> 00:33:23,039
- Spelling!
- How did you know that?
822
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,593
- All right, all right. Moving on, moving on.
- I made it up.
823
00:33:24,594 --> 00:33:25,950
- This is multiple choice.
- Yes.
824
00:33:25,951 --> 00:33:28,274
_
825
00:33:28,275 --> 00:33:30,298
_
826
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,422
_
827
00:33:32,423 --> 00:33:34,676
_
828
00:33:34,677 --> 00:33:39,242
- Is it...
- _
829
00:33:39,243 --> 00:33:40,643
Ooh.
830
00:33:40,644 --> 00:33:42,411
- Marc.
- Green Lantern.
831
00:33:42,412 --> 00:33:43,980
- That is incorrect.
- Oh.
832
00:33:43,981 --> 00:33:45,614
You can steal, Kevin. Yes.
833
00:33:45,615 --> 00:33:49,218
- Uh, I'm gonna go Dr. Fate.
- Oh, you're both wrong!
834
00:33:49,219 --> 00:33:52,454
- Boy, we're idiots.
- It is Wonder Woman. Diana Prince herself.
835
00:33:52,455 --> 00:33:54,613
You know, that just shows
our gender bias, doesn't it?
836
00:33:54,614 --> 00:33:55,644
Yeah, it does.
837
00:33:55,645 --> 00:33:57,603
- You all should've known.
- I'm like, "Had to be a man invented the Multiverse".
838
00:33:57,604 --> 00:33:59,004
Apparently not.
839
00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:03,868
_
840
00:34:03,869 --> 00:34:08,257
_
841
00:34:08,258 --> 00:34:12,957
_
842
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:16,111
Um...
843
00:34:16,112 --> 00:34:19,181
Fortress of Desolation?
No, I don't know.
844
00:34:19,182 --> 00:34:21,383
- Apokolips?
- No.
845
00:34:21,384 --> 00:34:23,319
It is Kaznia. Okay, okay.
846
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,053
Dani, this is really depressing.
847
00:34:25,054 --> 00:34:28,056
This is all I got in life
is knowing about this stuff,
848
00:34:28,057 --> 00:34:29,792
and I don't know it anymore.
849
00:34:29,793 --> 00:34:31,092
For the record, I'm winning.
850
00:34:31,093 --> 00:34:33,394
- Yeah, you are.
- True.
851
00:34:33,395 --> 00:34:35,286
You should be hosting this thing.
852
00:34:35,287 --> 00:34:36,643
Really making me look bad.
853
00:34:36,644 --> 00:34:37,733
Okay...
854
00:34:37,734 --> 00:34:42,097
_
855
00:34:42,098 --> 00:34:46,061
_
856
00:34:46,062 --> 00:34:49,555
_
857
00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:52,313
_
858
00:34:52,314 --> 00:34:55,115
I'm gonna say 97. Earth 97.
859
00:34:55,116 --> 00:34:56,551
Can you please raise your paddle, sir?
860
00:34:56,552 --> 00:34:58,258
Earth 97.
861
00:34:58,259 --> 00:34:59,721
That is correct.
862
00:34:59,722 --> 00:35:01,222
- Yes!
- That is correct.
863
00:35:01,223 --> 00:35:04,058
- I remember the '90s.
- And I remember those nipples.
864
00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:05,115
Okay, here we go.
865
00:35:05,116 --> 00:35:08,061
_
866
00:35:08,062 --> 00:35:11,565
That's Chuck's Dixson's fault.
Chuck Dickson killed him.
867
00:35:11,566 --> 00:35:15,377
Oliver had his hands in a
device, an exploding device,
868
00:35:15,378 --> 00:35:17,437
and if he removed one of his hands,
869
00:35:17,438 --> 00:35:19,673
it would've set off the
bomb and exploded the plane.
870
00:35:19,674 --> 00:35:22,008
- Yes.
- Superman was there,
871
00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:23,343
and he was like,
872
00:35:23,344 --> 00:35:26,246
"We can do this, but I would have to..."
873
00:35:26,247 --> 00:35:29,583
He intimates that he would
have to laser off Oliver's arm,
874
00:35:29,584 --> 00:35:31,918
which then would've
made Oliver look like
875
00:35:31,919 --> 00:35:33,920
the "Dark Knight Returns" Oliver Queen
876
00:35:33,921 --> 00:35:35,422
who only had one arm.
877
00:35:35,423 --> 00:35:37,223
So, while we were reading
the books, we were like, "Oh!
878
00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:38,759
The future is here!" And then instead,
879
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,960
- Oliver chose to die.
- Yes.
880
00:35:40,961 --> 00:35:44,230
Kevin, that incredibly
long answer is correct.
881
00:35:44,231 --> 00:35:46,332
- Yes!
- So you are actually our winner.
882
00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:47,700
I'm the filibuster winner!
883
00:35:47,701 --> 00:35:49,608
I just said a lot of words
884
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:51,104
- and I won, man.
- Figures.
885
00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:52,838
Thank you for making me look good on TV.
886
00:35:52,839 --> 00:35:54,840
- I try.
- Thank you for asking me those questions.
887
00:35:54,841 --> 00:35:57,110
You guys did very well.
When we come back,
888
00:35:57,111 --> 00:35:58,878
we're gonna take a glimpse
889
00:35:58,879 --> 00:36:01,047
into the future of "Crisis
On Infinite Earths",
890
00:36:01,048 --> 00:36:03,049
after you go through this wormhole
891
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:05,050
of infinite commercials.
892
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,321
Welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath".
893
00:36:20,322 --> 00:36:22,930
We got Marc Guggenheim
back out for this final act,
894
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,059
and we are 24 hours away
895
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,495
from the next installment of
"Crisis On Infinite Earths".
896
00:36:27,496 --> 00:36:30,264
And all we know is that
anything can happen.
897
00:36:30,265 --> 00:36:32,300
Quantum Tower shot out of the ground.
898
00:36:32,301 --> 00:36:34,452
Burt Ward got killed after two seconds
899
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:35,837
and a very clever line.
900
00:36:35,838 --> 00:36:38,772
So we went to New York Comic
Con and we asked our beloved fans
901
00:36:38,773 --> 00:36:40,418
what they think is going to go down.
902
00:36:40,419 --> 00:36:41,742
Check it out.
903
00:36:41,743 --> 00:36:44,745
I am so excited for
"Crisis On Infinite Earths".
904
00:36:44,746 --> 00:36:45,980
So many different characters
905
00:36:45,981 --> 00:36:47,881
from so many different multiverses.
906
00:36:47,882 --> 00:36:49,050
I think it's going to set up a lot
907
00:36:49,051 --> 00:36:50,684
to bring Gotham City into the fold,
908
00:36:50,685 --> 00:36:52,519
and all of those characters,
and really be able
909
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,755
to kind of set them up
for the Batwoman show,
910
00:36:54,756 --> 00:36:56,424
which I'm excited for as well.
911
00:36:56,425 --> 00:36:58,068
I really hope we find out
912
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:59,827
what happened to Bruce Wayne.
913
00:36:59,828 --> 00:37:02,930
I would really like to
see Sara Lance reunite
914
00:37:02,931 --> 00:37:04,231
with the new Black Canary.
915
00:37:04,232 --> 00:37:05,732
I'm really excited to see
916
00:37:05,733 --> 00:37:07,134
Brandon Routh wear the cape.
917
00:37:07,135 --> 00:37:09,236
I felt he was an
under-appreciated Superman.
918
00:37:09,237 --> 00:37:12,206
Maybe a clash between
Supergirl and Batwoman
919
00:37:12,207 --> 00:37:13,941
and see how they go
up against each other.
920
00:37:13,942 --> 00:37:16,710
I do think Flash is gonna
be leading the whole group.
921
00:37:16,711 --> 00:37:19,378
Maybe Batwoman will take the lead.
922
00:37:20,882 --> 00:37:22,983
No. I don't think so.
923
00:37:22,984 --> 00:37:24,858
- Why not?
- I know!
924
00:37:24,859 --> 00:37:27,646
Boy, oh, boy, everyone's
got an opinion, man.
925
00:37:27,647 --> 00:37:29,389
Were any of them right, Marc?
926
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:30,724
- Did any of them...
- You know, there were
927
00:37:30,725 --> 00:37:32,325
a couple things in there that we hit.
928
00:37:32,326 --> 00:37:33,890
When you're writing the shows,
929
00:37:33,891 --> 00:37:35,744
when the shows are airing and whatnot,
930
00:37:35,745 --> 00:37:38,231
do you pay attention to
the Internet and their...
931
00:37:38,232 --> 00:37:40,590
- Yeah, yeah, actually...
- Do they ever guess
932
00:37:40,591 --> 00:37:41,902
- in advance, like...
- Always. Always.
933
00:37:41,903 --> 00:37:43,537
Really? So they figure it out?
934
00:37:43,538 --> 00:37:46,172
Twitter is like crowdsourcing
the writers' room.
935
00:37:46,173 --> 00:37:50,443
So, yes, people are constantly,
you know, predicting stuff.
936
00:37:50,444 --> 00:37:52,668
So you're like, "Oh,
my God, they got that!"
937
00:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,593
Yes. Oh, no, It's incredibly annoying.
938
00:37:54,594 --> 00:37:57,250
- You know, at the same time...
- Annoying, but at the same time
939
00:37:57,251 --> 00:37:59,119
it's flattering, 'cause
they're all over it.
940
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,320
They're thinking about it, you know?
941
00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:02,958
And they're smart. The
Internet's smart, man.
942
00:38:02,959 --> 00:38:05,525
Where do you fall on the scale
of fandom of Arrowverse?
943
00:38:05,526 --> 00:38:07,027
How deep and hard do you go, Dani?
944
00:38:07,028 --> 00:38:10,199
Oh, man, I mean, I feel like
I've been here since day one,
945
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,322
so it's been so cool to see
all these characters on...
946
00:38:13,323 --> 00:38:15,868
honestly, you also grow with them.
947
00:38:15,869 --> 00:38:17,499
Like, you talked about redemption,
948
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,538
and I feel like we've grown with Oliver.
949
00:38:19,539 --> 00:38:21,080
You know, we've grown with Barry.
950
00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:23,634
And one thing that I didn't really
get to touch on was that Sara...
951
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,045
that moment with Sara and older Oliver
952
00:38:26,046 --> 00:38:28,237
where she says, you
know, "You're a good man".
953
00:38:28,238 --> 00:38:29,933
And I think when the other Oliver dies
954
00:38:29,934 --> 00:38:31,483
and he says, "Barry,
you're the best of us",
955
00:38:31,484 --> 00:38:34,219
- it's because he always discredits himself.
- Right.
956
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:36,055
Yet he's had so much
growth, and it's like...
957
00:38:36,056 --> 00:38:37,122
I just love that moment
958
00:38:37,123 --> 00:38:39,058
of her giving him his redemption of,
959
00:38:39,059 --> 00:38:41,060
"You, too, are also a good man,
960
00:38:41,061 --> 00:38:42,862
and that is what all
the rest of us see".
961
00:38:42,863 --> 00:38:45,031
You been watching these
shows since the jump, yes?
962
00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:48,034
Since the jump, yeah.
I was an OG "Arrow" fan.
963
00:38:48,035 --> 00:38:51,236
And it's funny, because it's hard
964
00:38:51,237 --> 00:38:53,405
to still stay as passionate
about things as you do,
965
00:38:53,406 --> 00:38:55,041
as you get older, as
the show gets older.
966
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,404
But these shows are always
like a renewable resource.
967
00:38:57,405 --> 00:39:00,946
They always find ways
to seduce you back in.
968
00:39:00,947 --> 00:39:02,381
And sometimes it's the crossover,
969
00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:04,015
sometimes it's big character moments.
970
00:39:04,016 --> 00:39:06,685
And sometimes it's just these
people that you kind of love,
971
00:39:06,686 --> 00:39:09,188
watching them do these things
over and over and over again.
972
00:39:09,189 --> 00:39:11,923
And, yeah, you just kind
of... I like that love.
973
00:39:11,924 --> 00:39:13,258
It's true, I love these shows.
974
00:39:13,259 --> 00:39:16,767
Like I don't care if Barry
faces a villain every year
975
00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:18,830
that I know is going to be speed based.
976
00:39:18,831 --> 00:39:21,333
Like, what else is he gonna do?
977
00:39:21,334 --> 00:39:23,868
I appreciate that it's a family
affair, and it always has been.
978
00:39:23,869 --> 00:39:26,805
And every one of the Arrowverse series
979
00:39:26,806 --> 00:39:28,373
ultimately does that, man.
980
00:39:28,374 --> 00:39:30,490
It's about the family you have
and the family you build.
981
00:39:30,491 --> 00:39:32,681
It's fantastic. I want
to thank all my guests.
982
00:39:32,682 --> 00:39:34,878
Marc Guggenheim, Dani Fernandez,
983
00:39:34,879 --> 00:39:37,133
Marc Bernardin, Kat McNamara,
984
00:39:37,134 --> 00:39:40,218
LaMonica Garrett, Robert Rovner,
and Caroline Dries, man.
985
00:39:40,219 --> 00:39:41,685
Thank you all for coming in,
986
00:39:41,686 --> 00:39:43,387
giving us a little dishing of the dirt.
987
00:39:43,388 --> 00:39:45,223
We're going to be back on Tuesday night
988
00:39:45,224 --> 00:39:47,325
for more giddy superhero chatter
989
00:39:47,326 --> 00:39:49,360
after Crisis hour three.
990
00:39:49,361 --> 00:39:52,106
Man, I'm gonna hunker down
in my Fortress of Solitude.
991
00:39:52,107 --> 00:39:53,603
You know what that means. Until then,
992
00:39:53,604 --> 00:39:55,065
make sure you come back, man.
993
00:39:55,066 --> 00:39:56,900
The whole universe is at stake!
994
00:39:56,901 --> 00:39:59,269
See you next time on "Crisis Aftermath".
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