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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:18,102 North Field, on the island of Tinian, in the Marianas, 2 00:00:18,185 --> 00:00:20,438 1500 miles south of Japan. 3 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,864 In the summer of 1945 this was the biggest air base in the world. 4 00:00:31,282 --> 00:00:32,950 Here, on August 5, 5 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:36,787 the world's first uranium bomb was loaded into a B-29 bomber - 6 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:41,042 named Enola Gay after its pilot's mother. 7 00:00:42,918 --> 00:00:46,464 Next morning, before dawn, the Enola Gay took off. 8 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:49,050 Its target - Hiroshima. 9 00:01:54,949 --> 00:01:58,494 On April 12, 1945, 10 00:01:58,577 --> 00:02:04,125 Franklin Roosevelt, President of the United States, died suddenly. 11 00:02:06,168 --> 00:02:09,547 The nation mourned its lost leader. 12 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:19,890 He had brought them from the depths of economic depression 12 years before, 13 00:02:19,974 --> 00:02:24,478 now he had led them to the eve of victory in a world war. 14 00:02:26,689 --> 00:02:31,360 Two months before his death, Roosevelt had been at Yalta, in Russia, 15 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:35,239 laying the political foundations of the post-war world. 16 00:02:35,322 --> 00:02:39,660 Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to restore democracy to Eastern Europe, 17 00:02:39,743 --> 00:02:41,912 particularly Poland. 18 00:02:41,996 --> 00:02:46,584 They also asked Stalin to confirm that Russia would join the war against Japan 19 00:02:46,709 --> 00:02:49,920 three months after the defeat of Germany. 20 00:02:50,004 --> 00:02:52,047 In a cheerful atmosphere, 21 00:02:52,131 --> 00:02:56,552 the "big three" thought they had reached agreement. 22 00:02:57,094 --> 00:03:00,055 Yalta was really the high point of the relationship 23 00:03:00,139 --> 00:03:01,724 between the three men. 24 00:03:01,807 --> 00:03:05,519 Victory was in the air, the Germans were in retreat, 25 00:03:05,603 --> 00:03:08,814 and so there was a good deal more talk, 26 00:03:08,898 --> 00:03:13,068 in addition to military matters, of the future. 27 00:03:13,194 --> 00:03:15,321 Poland again became 28 00:03:15,404 --> 00:03:19,074 the most troublesome point. 29 00:03:19,158 --> 00:03:21,118 And it's interesting that 30 00:03:21,202 --> 00:03:23,078 both Roosevelt and Churchill 31 00:03:23,162 --> 00:03:25,623 felt they had an agreement with Stalin. 32 00:03:26,749 --> 00:03:30,669 The problem with Poland - as with all Eastern Europe - 33 00:03:30,753 --> 00:03:35,049 was that the Western leaders wanted a freely elected government there. 34 00:03:35,132 --> 00:03:39,553 The Soviets wanted a government friendly to Russia. 35 00:03:39,637 --> 00:03:43,849 They thought the West understood and accepted this. 36 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:49,855 Poland, from their point of view, was not going to be an outpost of the West- 37 00:03:49,939 --> 00:03:53,192 nor any of the Balkan countries. 38 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:56,237 They thought they'd had various agreements 39 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,782 about spheres of influence with Mr Churchill- 40 00:03:59,865 --> 00:04:03,702 if they left Greece pretty much in British hands, 41 00:04:03,786 --> 00:04:06,580 they could have certain proportional influences 42 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:11,085 in Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, particularly Poland. 43 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,174 My impression at Yalta 44 00:04:17,299 --> 00:04:21,345 was that the Russians thought 45 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:26,308 we had in substance accepted that demand. 46 00:04:27,351 --> 00:04:31,438 After Yalta, Roosevelt lived for only two months. 47 00:04:32,398 --> 00:04:35,609 Even by then, he and Churchill had become disillusioned 48 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:40,239 by the interpretations the Russians were putting on what was agreed there. 49 00:04:40,322 --> 00:04:44,201 The very, very tough exchange of telegrams on both sides 50 00:04:44,285 --> 00:04:46,120 between Stalin and Roosevelt 51 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:49,248 makes it very plain that Roosevelt, before he died, 52 00:04:49,331 --> 00:04:51,750 knew that Stalin was breaking his agreements. 53 00:04:51,834 --> 00:04:55,129 I think it went sour because 54 00:04:55,212 --> 00:04:57,589 the military developments 55 00:04:57,673 --> 00:05:00,009 strengthened Russia's hands 56 00:05:00,134 --> 00:05:04,596 and that where the Russians had felt it necessary 57 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,267 to be considerate of Western opinion at Yalta, 58 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:11,520 a few months later they didn't feel any such necessity 59 00:05:11,603 --> 00:05:14,189 because the war was going so well for them, 60 00:05:14,315 --> 00:05:18,610 and therefore they swept aside some of the engagements they'd got into. 61 00:05:18,694 --> 00:05:22,323 That certainly applied particularly about Poland. 62 00:05:23,282 --> 00:05:26,910 Roosevelt had been seen as a friend by the Russians. 63 00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:29,955 His successor, Harry Truman, was an unknown quantity - 64 00:05:30,039 --> 00:05:32,541 both to them and to his own advisers. 65 00:05:33,167 --> 00:05:39,173 I left, as soon as Roosevelt died, to go back to see Mr Truman. 66 00:05:39,256 --> 00:05:41,550 I wanted to be sure that President Truman 67 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:44,386 understood the position of our relationships, 68 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:48,182 because there had been so much euphoria in the air 69 00:05:48,265 --> 00:05:54,480 about the warm relationships that existed with our gallant allies. 70 00:05:54,563 --> 00:06:00,819 And I got home within a week of the time Roosevelt had died. 71 00:06:00,903 --> 00:06:04,948 I found, my first experience with President Truman, 72 00:06:05,032 --> 00:06:07,284 I found he was an avid reader. 73 00:06:07,368 --> 00:06:10,371 I found he'd read all the telegrams 74 00:06:10,454 --> 00:06:15,501 and understood from those messages the difficulties we were going to have. 75 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:20,172 The arrival of their foreign minister, Molotov, 76 00:06:20,255 --> 00:06:24,802 in Washington on April 23 gave Truman a chance to prove, as he put it, 77 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:27,262 that he would "stand up to the Russians". 78 00:06:27,346 --> 00:06:31,308 Even as his arrival raised hopes on the thorny Polish question, 79 00:06:31,392 --> 00:06:35,312 the world learned that Russia had signed a 20-year pact of friendship 80 00:06:35,396 --> 00:06:37,272 with Poland's Warsaw government. 81 00:06:37,356 --> 00:06:40,359 This Polish government had no pro-Western members. 82 00:06:40,442 --> 00:06:41,985 They were all pro-Soviet. 83 00:06:42,069 --> 00:06:45,823 The Western leaders were angry and upset. 84 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:50,869 Molotov saw Truman and his secretary of state, Stettinius - Alger Hiss's boss. 85 00:06:50,953 --> 00:06:53,205 By that time... 86 00:06:54,706 --> 00:07:00,129 the Polish situation had, to use a gentle word, crystallised. 87 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:03,048 The Russians were moving forward. 88 00:07:03,132 --> 00:07:09,138 They seemed to be paying no attention to the kind of provisional government 89 00:07:09,221 --> 00:07:13,976 that the British and Americans had hoped for. 90 00:07:16,270 --> 00:07:23,277 Therefore protests - angry protests - were going to the Russians about that. 91 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,824 And Truman decided to have a showdown, at which he was gifted. 92 00:07:29,741 --> 00:07:35,747 On that occasion, as you know from what is now part of the history books, 93 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:40,252 he accused Molotov, in effect, 94 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:42,212 of violation of the agreements, 95 00:07:42,296 --> 00:07:43,547 as early as that. 96 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:48,093 This was a strange thing to do in the midst of a war, by no means yet won, 97 00:07:48,177 --> 00:07:51,472 with an important ally - but he did it. 98 00:07:52,598 --> 00:07:56,101 And it ended by Molotov saying: 99 00:07:56,185 --> 00:07:58,812 "I've never been talked to like this in my life", 100 00:07:58,896 --> 00:08:02,649 and Truman saying: "Well, keep your agreements and you won't be" - 101 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:05,152 just like a schoolteacher. 102 00:08:05,235 --> 00:08:10,616 Stettinius, who'd been present, told me the next morning - he was still shaken - 103 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:13,619 he said, "I thought the whole conference was off." 104 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:17,831 Well, that was an unfortunate conversation. 105 00:08:18,874 --> 00:08:23,462 It was one of the first diplomatic conversations that Truman had, 106 00:08:23,545 --> 00:08:30,385 and I can only say that it was not a diplomatic statement on Truman's part. 107 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:34,848 He used good, solid Missouri language, which was very definite, 108 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:38,310 and Molotov had talked to other people that way, 109 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:41,355 but had had no one talk to him that way. 110 00:08:41,438 --> 00:08:43,273 So he was very much upset, 111 00:08:43,357 --> 00:08:48,070 and I gained the impression that he thought this was a new voice, 112 00:08:48,153 --> 00:08:52,783 not Roosevelt any more, but a more aggressive president. 113 00:08:53,659 --> 00:08:55,702 When he was sworn in, 114 00:08:55,786 --> 00:08:58,872 Truman had said he would continue Roosevelt's policies. 115 00:08:58,956 --> 00:09:00,999 But his sudden harshness with Molotov 116 00:09:01,083 --> 00:09:03,752 now worried the secretary of war, Henry Stimson. 117 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:05,629 The day after the confrontation, 118 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:09,174 Stimson told Truman about something he thought could transform 119 00:09:09,258 --> 00:09:11,093 America's dealings with Russia. 120 00:09:11,176 --> 00:09:14,388 Stimson's biographer, McGeorge Bundy. 121 00:09:14,471 --> 00:09:17,516 Stimson wrote to Truman, 122 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:20,936 "I think it is very important that I should have a talk with you 123 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:24,982 as soon as possible on a highly secret matter." 124 00:09:25,065 --> 00:09:28,235 "I mentioned it to you shortly after you took office, 125 00:09:28,318 --> 00:09:32,990 but have not urged it since on account of the pressure you've been under." 126 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:37,244 "It, however, has such a bearing on our present foreign relations 127 00:09:37,327 --> 00:09:42,416 and has such an important effect upon all my thinking in this field, 128 00:09:42,499 --> 00:09:47,838 that I think you ought to know about it without much further delay." 129 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:54,052 The next day, April 25, Stimson explained to Truman 130 00:09:54,136 --> 00:09:57,347 that his view of foreign policy - Stimson's - 131 00:09:57,472 --> 00:10:02,686 was dominated by the imminent prospect of atomic power, 132 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:05,856 and the terms which might be got from Russia 133 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:08,900 in exchange for sharing atomic secrets. 134 00:10:09,735 --> 00:10:13,447 It was Truman's first detailed news of the atomic bomb 135 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:16,116 and its diplomatic potential. 136 00:10:16,199 --> 00:10:20,203 He asked Stimson to head a committee to decide its military use. 137 00:10:21,622 --> 00:10:26,293 By this time, in great secrecy, two kinds of atomic bomb had been developed, 138 00:10:26,376 --> 00:10:32,341 one based on uranium, the other on a man-made element, plutonium. 139 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:37,179 The uranium bomb did not need testing - but there was only one. 140 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:40,349 The plutonium bombs - easier to produce in quantity - 141 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:42,517 would have to be tested before use. 142 00:10:42,601 --> 00:10:45,145 The first would be ready by July. 143 00:10:45,854 --> 00:10:48,023 A special unit of the American Air Force 144 00:10:48,106 --> 00:10:50,484 had begun practising the tactics involved 145 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:54,112 in dropping one very large bomb, with great accuracy, 146 00:10:54,196 --> 00:10:56,323 then getting away as fast as possible. 147 00:10:56,406 --> 00:11:00,369 Its commander was Colonel Paul Tibbets. 148 00:11:00,452 --> 00:11:01,953 Up to this point, 149 00:11:02,037 --> 00:11:06,792 anything in the way of an error in bombing up to 500 or 600 feet 150 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,086 was considered good bombing. 151 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:12,964 So I told them then: "if you have a 100-foot error from 25,000 feet, 152 00:11:13,048 --> 00:11:14,883 you're just a borderline case." 153 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:17,260 "I want it less than 100." 154 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:20,347 I was told immediately, "You can't do this." 155 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:24,518 So I said, "I don't know why not." They said, "Nobody's ever done it." 156 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:27,104 I said, "That's no reason why it can't be done." 157 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,773 "Practice, they tell me, makes perfect." 158 00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:32,859 "So we'll practise and you'll practise until you do it." 159 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:45,580 From their forward bases in the Mariana Islands, 160 00:11:45,664 --> 00:11:49,084 American B-29 bombers were already attacking Japan's cities 161 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:51,294 with more conventional weapons. 162 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:54,589 To begin with, the results were poor. 163 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:03,473 General Curtis LeMay developed a new tactic: low-level incendiary raids. 164 00:12:04,433 --> 00:12:08,729 With aerial photography you could outline a general area, 165 00:12:08,812 --> 00:12:11,606 but not precisely. 166 00:12:12,357 --> 00:12:15,402 You just couldn't avoid doing collateral damage, 167 00:12:15,485 --> 00:12:19,281 and I'm sure we burned down a lot of Japanese buildings 168 00:12:19,364 --> 00:12:25,203 that had nothing to do with the war industry at all. 169 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:31,585 This, of course, is one of the sad things of war that can't be helped. 170 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:37,799 On March 9, 1945, 2,000 tons of incendiaries were dropped on Tokyo, 171 00:12:37,883 --> 00:12:40,844 destroying 16 square miles of the city. 172 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:44,431 80,000 civilians died - 173 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:48,935 more that night in Tokyo than in the whole of England in the Blitz. 174 00:12:49,019 --> 00:12:52,439 Most suffocated in the firestorm. 175 00:12:52,564 --> 00:12:54,483 LeMay now attacked city after city. 176 00:12:54,566 --> 00:12:58,153 It looked as if the B-29s alone might defeat Japan. 177 00:12:58,236 --> 00:13:01,948 It wasn't until General Arnold asked the direct question 178 00:13:02,032 --> 00:13:03,742 "How long will the war last?", 179 00:13:03,825 --> 00:13:06,953 and then we sat down and did some thinking about it, 180 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:11,958 and it indicated that we would be 181 00:13:12,042 --> 00:13:15,587 pretty much out of targets around 1 September, 182 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:17,672 and with the targets gone, 183 00:13:17,756 --> 00:13:22,594 we couldn't see much of any war going on at the time. 184 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,687 By the spring of 1945 185 00:13:32,771 --> 00:13:37,692 Japan was helpless in the face of American air and naval power. 186 00:13:38,819 --> 00:13:43,031 Most of the Japanese merchant fleet and navy had been sunk. 187 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:49,329 An effective blockade had cut off Japan from her overseas army, 188 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:52,207 grounded most of her air force for lack of fuel, 189 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:55,627 and threatened her population with starvation. 190 00:13:55,710 --> 00:14:01,800 American fighter-bombers roamed at will, backing up the devastating fire raids. 191 00:14:03,593 --> 00:14:05,804 Many Japanese politicians realised 192 00:14:05,929 --> 00:14:09,766 that their country could not hold out much longer. 193 00:14:14,104 --> 00:14:17,774 April 1: American troops land on Japanese soil - 194 00:14:17,858 --> 00:14:22,195 Okinawa, only 350 miles from the mainland. 195 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,865 They face fierce resistance. 196 00:14:26,408 --> 00:14:29,452 But as the battle starts, the growing peace party in Japan 197 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:34,583 secure the appointment of a new cabinet, led by Admiral Suzuki. 198 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:40,255 When the Suzuki cabinet came into existence, 199 00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:44,676 the military situation was deplorable, 200 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:52,350 and, moreover, the economic plight of our nation was quite apparent. 201 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:54,769 The military command... 202 00:14:56,104 --> 00:15:03,695 tried to squeeze the last drop, so to speak, of the nation's blood, 203 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:08,450 in order to prosecute harder the useless war, 204 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:13,788 but it became evident to any sensible man 205 00:15:13,872 --> 00:15:17,584 that we were at the end of our tether. 206 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:26,343 The younger officers in the army, the extremists, 207 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:29,512 thought that we should fight to the bitter end, 208 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,765 until every man had been killed. 209 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:37,103 But the war minister, General Anami, didn't agree. 210 00:15:37,187 --> 00:15:41,691 He thought that if we fought on until the Americans invaded the mainland 211 00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:45,320 and then hit their forces hard on the beaches once, 212 00:15:45,403 --> 00:15:50,825 we could then negotiate peace on terms more favourable to Japan. 213 00:15:54,412 --> 00:15:56,831 But Truman would not negotiate. 214 00:15:56,957 --> 00:16:00,085 He told Congress so in May, after Germany's defeat. 215 00:16:00,168 --> 00:16:06,883 Our demand has been, and it remains, unconditional surrender. 216 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:13,390 I want the entire world to know 217 00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:20,981 that this direction must and will remain unchanged and unhampered. 218 00:16:24,609 --> 00:16:27,529 Truman now faced two major problems: 219 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:29,990 how to deal with the Russians in Europe, 220 00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:34,661 and whether to ask them to fulfil their pledge to join the war against Japan. 221 00:16:34,744 --> 00:16:39,624 In Germany, Russian and Western troops exchanged toasts, 222 00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:43,044 but already Churchill was sending urgent messages to Truman 223 00:16:43,128 --> 00:16:46,715 warning that an iron curtain was being drawn down in Europe by Russia. 224 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,676 The "big three" must meet quickly before, as he put it, 225 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:52,429 "the armies of democracy melted". 226 00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:57,434 And Truman had a new secretary of state, James Byrnes. 227 00:16:57,517 --> 00:17:00,145 Byrnes wanted to finish the war against Japan 228 00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:02,147 before the Russians could join in 229 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:05,483 and cause problems for the West in Asia, too. 230 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:09,195 It was ever-present in my mind 231 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:14,075 that it was important 232 00:17:14,159 --> 00:17:20,665 that we should have an end to the war before the Russians came in. 233 00:17:20,749 --> 00:17:22,834 But Stimson wanted to avoid 234 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:25,086 hasty decisions in Europe or the Far East 235 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:28,298 before the bomb was ready. He wrote to Truman: 236 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:31,634 "Over any such tangled weave of problems, 237 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:35,638 the atomic secret would be dominant." 238 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:41,102 "It seems a terrible thing to gamble with such big stakes in diplomacy 239 00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:45,065 without having your master card in your hand." 240 00:17:46,191 --> 00:17:48,526 Truman reassured Stimson - 241 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:53,615 the "big three" meeting was postponed until July 15 242 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:56,201 on purpose "to give us more time". 243 00:17:56,284 --> 00:18:00,205 Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt's close friend whom Stalin trusted, 244 00:18:00,288 --> 00:18:01,539 was sent to Moscow in May 245 00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:05,293 to take the heat temporarily out of the Polish issue. 246 00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:08,838 He reported back that he had smoothed things over. 247 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:12,008 Stalin had also promised - unprompted - 248 00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:14,803 to join the war against Japan on August 8. 249 00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:17,138 While Hopkins was in Moscow, 250 00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:20,934 Stimson's committee reached its decision. 251 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:23,645 The committee studying the atomic bomb 252 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:30,026 unanimously recommended that it be used as soon as possible, without warning, 253 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:34,030 against a major Japanese military establishment. 254 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:36,908 Only this, Stimson thought, 255 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:42,288 would provide the psychological blow which might induce Japan to surrender. 256 00:18:42,372 --> 00:18:45,458 Although he agreed with some of Truman's advisers 257 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:48,044 that the Japanese should be given an ultimatum 258 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:51,548 which made it clear they could keep the emperor, 259 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:58,263 he opposed announcing this until after the bomb had at least been tested. 260 00:18:58,346 --> 00:19:00,223 But after the war he wrote, 261 00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:04,602 "It is possible, in the light of the final surrender, 262 00:19:04,686 --> 00:19:08,231 that a clearer and earlier exposition 263 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:11,943 of American willingness to retain the emperor 264 00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:15,572 could have produced an earlier ending of the war." 265 00:19:16,906 --> 00:19:19,784 June 18: Washington. 266 00:19:19,868 --> 00:19:25,123 General Eisenhower is given a hero's welcome after his victory in Europe. 267 00:19:25,206 --> 00:19:27,292 In the White House that day, 268 00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:30,753 Truman is asked to approve his joint chiefs of staff's plans 269 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:32,964 to invade Japan in November. 270 00:19:33,631 --> 00:19:36,301 We gathered up our papers and started to go out, 271 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:38,636 and Mr Truman spotted me and said: 272 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,763 "Mr McCloy, nobody gets out of this room 273 00:19:40,847 --> 00:19:42,765 without expressing himself- 274 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,142 everybody else has." 275 00:19:44,225 --> 00:19:46,019 "Do you think I have 276 00:19:46,102 --> 00:19:48,479 any other alternative?" 277 00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:53,193 I looked over at Colonel Stimson - he liked to be called Colonel - 278 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:56,112 he'd been colonel of a regiment in World War I, 279 00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:58,114 rather than Secretary - 280 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:02,076 I looked over at Stimson and he nodded, he said, "Go ahead." 281 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,830 So I started in, and I said that I thought that 282 00:20:05,914 --> 00:20:07,916 we ought to have our heads examined 283 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:13,463 if we didn't begin to think in terms of a political culmination of the war 284 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,215 rather than a military one. 285 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:19,761 And I said I'd give them some terms - 286 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:23,389 I'd send a message over to them, I'd spell out the terms. 287 00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:27,810 And Mr Truman said, "Well, what are your terms? What would you do?" 288 00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:30,730 I hadn't quite prepared for the actual dictation 289 00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:32,899 of the surrender terms at that point, 290 00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:35,068 but I started in and I said, 291 00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:37,987 "In the first place, I'd say you can have the mikado, 292 00:20:38,071 --> 00:20:40,448 but he's got to be a constitutional monarch - 293 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:43,660 you've got to have a representative form of government." 294 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:49,040 "You can have access to, but not control over, foreign raw materials 295 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:52,794 so you can have a viable economy..." I spelled it out as best I could. 296 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,713 "And I'd say, 'Besides that, we've got a new force, 297 00:20:55,797 --> 00:21:01,594 and it's in the form of a new type of energy 298 00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:04,055 that will revolutionise warfare, 299 00:21:04,138 --> 00:21:08,726 destructive beyond any contemplation." I said I'd mention the bomb. 300 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:13,815 Well, mentioning the bomb, even at that late date, in that select group, 301 00:21:13,898 --> 00:21:15,608 it was like they were all shocked 302 00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:18,820 because it was such a closely guarded secret. 303 00:21:18,903 --> 00:21:22,782 It was comparable to mentioning Skull and Bones at Yale, 304 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:25,368 which you're not supposed to do. 305 00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:29,914 But Mr Truman said, "This is the sort of thing I was trying to reach for - 306 00:21:29,998 --> 00:21:31,791 get that all spelled out." 307 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:35,878 At that point Stimson did come in and joined in support of my position, 308 00:21:36,004 --> 00:21:39,340 but then later on Mr Byrnes, who was then secretary of state, 309 00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:41,384 who was not present, 310 00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:46,055 vetoed the idea of offering them the mikado. 311 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:51,144 One can only speculate as to what would have happened 312 00:21:51,227 --> 00:21:54,856 if we had put the message to the Japanese 313 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,650 in the form that I indicated, including the mikado. 314 00:21:57,734 --> 00:22:02,488 I always had the feeling, in view of some of the information we've had since 315 00:22:02,572 --> 00:22:09,662 of the tendency on the part of some of the real military hotheads in Japan, 316 00:22:09,746 --> 00:22:12,498 to think that this was perhaps the best way out, 317 00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:17,128 that we might have been able to avoid the dropping of the bomb. 318 00:22:17,712 --> 00:22:22,050 By this time, the battle for Okinawa is almost over. 319 00:22:22,133 --> 00:22:24,260 12,000 Americans had died, 320 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:28,931 a bloody foretaste of what invasion of the mainland might cost. 321 00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:33,102 For the Japanese, the lesson was harsher still. 322 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:37,940 100,000 died, 323 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:43,946 and, for the first time in the war, their soldiers surrendered in thousands. 324 00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:50,745 As the last resistance ended, on June 22, 325 00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:55,583 the new Japanese cabinet made its first move towards peace. 326 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:59,837 Ultimately, we had to conduct negotiations 327 00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:02,298 with our military opponents - 328 00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:05,259 that is to say, America and Britain - 329 00:23:05,343 --> 00:23:09,764 but the high command refused categorically 330 00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:13,851 to entertain any idea of 331 00:23:13,935 --> 00:23:18,189 starting conversations with the enemy powers. 332 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:25,613 The only great power left out of the enemy camp was the Soviet Union, 333 00:23:25,696 --> 00:23:28,991 because of the fact that nominally 334 00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:33,913 there existed still the neutrality pact, 335 00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:41,879 and so this was the only window open for peace endeavours - 336 00:23:41,963 --> 00:23:45,675 and this window looked towards the north. 337 00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:50,888 And so we argued it out with the military command, 338 00:23:50,972 --> 00:23:56,310 and the military command finally, reluctantly, 339 00:23:56,394 --> 00:24:01,899 acceded to our request that we start negotiations with the Soviet Union 340 00:24:01,983 --> 00:24:07,780 in order to arrive at the final destination, 341 00:24:07,864 --> 00:24:10,741 which was Washington and London. 342 00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:14,662 But it was the Chinese foreign minister, not the Japanese, 343 00:24:14,745 --> 00:24:17,582 that Stalin had been meeting. 344 00:24:17,665 --> 00:24:23,921 A huge Japanese army still occupied parts of China, including Manchuria. 345 00:24:24,046 --> 00:24:27,049 The Russians and Chinese were negotiating terms 346 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:30,428 under which Stalin would attack that army. 347 00:24:30,511 --> 00:24:34,682 When Truman sailed to Europe on July 7 to meet Stalin and Churchill, 348 00:24:34,765 --> 00:24:39,645 he knew, through intercepted messages, that Japan wanted an end to the war, 349 00:24:39,729 --> 00:24:43,357 but not unconditional surrender. 350 00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:47,778 Truman and Byrnes now had several options open to them - 351 00:24:47,862 --> 00:24:50,490 they could modify the surrender terms, 352 00:24:50,573 --> 00:24:53,868 they could encourage the Russians to invade Manchuria, 353 00:24:53,951 --> 00:24:59,332 they could demonstrate the atomic bomb, they could invade Japan itself. 354 00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:06,714 But Truman decided that he would drop atomic bombs on Japan without warning. 355 00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:10,468 This alone, he hoped, would end the Pacific war quickly, 356 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:12,595 before the Russians joined in. 357 00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:17,266 And it would immensely strengthen American bargaining power in Europe. 358 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:19,352 The decision had already been taken 359 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:23,272 when Truman arrived for the "big three" meeting on July 15. 360 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:31,614 The next morning, just before dawn, at a remote desert site in New Mexico, 361 00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:34,909 Robert Oppenheimer and the team that had built the bomb 362 00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:38,955 witnessed the first atomic explosion. 363 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:42,959 I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, 364 00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:44,585 the Bhagavad-Gita: 365 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:50,841 Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince 366 00:25:50,925 --> 00:25:54,804 that he should do his duty, 367 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:57,723 and to impress him 368 00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:01,310 takes on his multi-armed form 369 00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:05,147 and says, "Now I am become death, 370 00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:07,525 the destroyer of worlds." 371 00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,989 I suppose we all thought that, one way or another. 372 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:19,954 The plutonium bomb exploded with a force of 20,000 tons of TNT. 373 00:26:21,372 --> 00:26:25,876 The desert at the point of the explosion was turned into glass. 374 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,339 By July 1945 Japan's economy was crumbling 375 00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:34,093 and her cities were defenceless against the B-29 raids. 376 00:26:34,176 --> 00:26:36,804 Although her army remained virtually intact, 377 00:26:36,887 --> 00:26:39,890 Japan's war industries were smashed. 378 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,230 One million civilians had died. 379 00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,526 Millions more were homeless. 380 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:55,740 The US Air Force had no doubts that surrender was only weeks away. 381 00:26:56,532 --> 00:26:59,243 It was a hopeless situation for 'em. 382 00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:05,708 The B-29s were flying over Japan at will and they couldn't do anything about it. 383 00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:12,048 We could destroy any target at will without much opposition. 384 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:15,843 So with this hopeless situation they were facing, 385 00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:20,306 they just didn't have the will to continue. 386 00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:22,975 In fact, they'd been trying to get out of the war 387 00:27:23,059 --> 00:27:27,396 for about three months before they actually did. 388 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,275 They'd asked the Russians to be an intermediary, 389 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,904 to try to negotiate them out of the war, 390 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:41,160 and the Russians had been stalling till they'd got the European war finished 391 00:27:41,243 --> 00:27:47,833 so they could get into the Pacific war before it ended. 392 00:27:50,378 --> 00:27:54,090 Stalin and Molotov refused to see the Japanese ambassador 393 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:59,220 before they left Moscow for the last "big three" meeting for ten years. 394 00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:03,641 Also at Potsdam was Secretary of War Stimson. 395 00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:07,728 He passed on detailed news of the atomic test to Truman and Byrnes - 396 00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:11,190 who, he noted in his diary, were immensely pleased. 397 00:28:11,273 --> 00:28:14,402 "The president was tremendously pepped up by it 398 00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:18,030 and spoke to me of it again and again when I saw him." 399 00:28:18,155 --> 00:28:22,785 "He said it gave him an entirely new feeling of confidence." 400 00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:26,872 And when Stimson told Churchill about the successful test the next day, 401 00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,458 Churchill said he now understood 402 00:28:29,542 --> 00:28:33,003 how this pepping-up of Truman had taken place 403 00:28:33,087 --> 00:28:35,381 and that he felt the same way. 404 00:28:35,464 --> 00:28:37,925 The British and Americans debated 405 00:28:38,008 --> 00:28:40,636 whether to tell the Russians about the bomb. 406 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,848 Some argued that its full weight as a diplomatic lever 407 00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:48,519 would only become evident after it had been dropped on Japan. 408 00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:52,106 After one of our meetings, just as we adjourned, 409 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:55,901 Truman went up with his interpreter to Stalin 410 00:28:55,985 --> 00:28:59,697 and told him briefly 411 00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:01,741 what we had discovered 412 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,952 and what the effect of the atomic bomb would be. 413 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:09,957 And all Stalin did was to nod his head and say "Thank you" quite curtly, 414 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:13,794 and his expression changed in no way and that was all there was to it. 415 00:29:16,505 --> 00:29:19,091 It was a tremendous disappointment. 416 00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:23,971 We thought he would be flabbergasted at this thing but he just passed it off. 417 00:29:24,054 --> 00:29:25,431 Whether he knew about it, 418 00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:31,562 whether he didn't want to show any great emotion in regard to it, 419 00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:33,314 I don't know. 420 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:37,318 All I know is that he took it very much in his stride 421 00:29:37,401 --> 00:29:43,699 and, somewhat to our disappointment, went on to the next item in the agenda. 422 00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:49,455 And this rather dismayed Stimson 423 00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:51,040 because he thought that, 424 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:52,875 once having disclosed this, 425 00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:57,421 there would be immediately a great rush on the part of the Soviets 426 00:29:57,505 --> 00:29:59,131 to sit down and talk to us 427 00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:02,593 about the future implications of this thing 428 00:30:02,676 --> 00:30:04,845 and what the future uses of it would be. 429 00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:07,223 But he got no encouragement at all. 430 00:30:08,516 --> 00:30:12,394 Stimson's tactics had misfired - the "big three" had met 431 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,898 before the full power of the atomic weapon was revealed. 432 00:30:15,981 --> 00:30:19,235 Stimson feared that from now on, Secretary of State Byrnes 433 00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:23,739 would use the bomb to try to lever direct concessions from the Russians. 434 00:30:24,448 --> 00:30:28,118 I rather think that Mr Byrnes had something of the thought 435 00:30:28,202 --> 00:30:32,248 that this would be a sort of 436 00:30:32,331 --> 00:30:36,293 point of leverage in diplomatic exchanges, 437 00:30:36,377 --> 00:30:40,130 whereas I think Mr Stimson - or Colonel Stimson - 438 00:30:40,214 --> 00:30:44,301 had a different idea of the use of the bomb. 439 00:30:44,385 --> 00:30:46,136 He wrote to the president 440 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:49,682 to urge direct negotiation on the nuclear issue, 441 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:57,398 and argued that relations with Russia "may perhaps be irretrievably embittered 442 00:30:57,481 --> 00:31:03,821 by the way in which we approach the solution of the bomb with Russia." 443 00:31:03,904 --> 00:31:07,116 "For if we fail to approach them now 444 00:31:07,241 --> 00:31:09,201 and merely negotiate with them 445 00:31:09,326 --> 00:31:13,622 having this weapon rather ostentatiously on our hip, 446 00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:21,463 their suspicions and their distrust of our purposes and motives will increase." 447 00:31:21,547 --> 00:31:25,050 With the atomic weapons now almost ready for use, 448 00:31:25,134 --> 00:31:28,888 it was time for Truman to issue a final ultimatum to the Japanese - 449 00:31:28,971 --> 00:31:32,099 and again Stimson's advice was rejected. 450 00:31:32,182 --> 00:31:36,854 Truman and Byrnes decided not to modify the unconditional-surrender formula 451 00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:40,482 by offering the Japanese the chance to keep their emperor. 452 00:31:40,941 --> 00:31:45,738 My hope is that the people of Japan will now realise 453 00:31:45,863 --> 00:31:49,825 that further resistance to the forces of the nations 454 00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:53,579 now united in the enforcement of law and justice 455 00:31:53,662 --> 00:31:55,956 will be absolutely futile. 456 00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:59,752 There is still time - but little time - 457 00:31:59,835 --> 00:32:02,546 for the Japanese to save themselves 458 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:05,925 from the destruction which threatens them. 459 00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:13,557 The very purpose of it was to assure them that they would have the decision, 460 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:16,602 and at the same time 461 00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:22,358 not to start a controversy among ourselves 462 00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:25,611 about the position of the emperor. 463 00:32:26,654 --> 00:32:30,324 When the Potsdam proclamation was issued, 464 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:39,333 Foreign Minister Togo and I worked together many sleepless nights, 465 00:32:39,416 --> 00:32:44,713 and I took this proclamation to the attention of the foreign minister 466 00:32:44,797 --> 00:32:48,759 and explained the substance of it. 467 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:53,472 Togo at once said this was acceptable, 468 00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:59,311 and he immediately went to the palace and asked for an audience. 469 00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:06,151 The emperor approved Togo's judgement that this should be accepted 470 00:33:06,235 --> 00:33:09,405 and the war be terminated at once. 471 00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:13,075 Foreign Minister Togo said in the cabinet meeting 472 00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:17,663 that we can stop the war without the question of the emperor. 473 00:33:17,746 --> 00:33:20,416 We can keep the emperor all right. 474 00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:22,918 But at that time we - 475 00:33:23,002 --> 00:33:24,461 the Japanese government- 476 00:33:24,545 --> 00:33:29,550 asked some... intermediate... 477 00:33:29,633 --> 00:33:31,593 mediation... Mediation? 478 00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:34,596 ...mediation to the Russians, 479 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,641 so many cabinet ministers said, 480 00:33:37,725 --> 00:33:41,478 "Well, let us see the situation for a while." 481 00:33:41,562 --> 00:33:44,231 Prime Minister Suzuki announced 482 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:47,234 that Japan would ignore the ultimatum. 483 00:33:47,317 --> 00:33:50,446 Perhaps Russia would save Japan's honour. 484 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:54,658 After all, the Potsdam Declaration had not been signed by Stalin - 485 00:33:54,742 --> 00:33:56,618 he might still mediate. 486 00:33:56,702 --> 00:34:00,372 Stalin told Truman about the Japanese approaches. 487 00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:05,002 Truman knew all about them - the Japanese codes had been broken. 488 00:34:05,085 --> 00:34:08,547 Both leaders agreed to ignore the peace feelers 489 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:12,217 and Truman sailed home on August 3. 490 00:34:12,301 --> 00:34:15,637 With no response from the Japanese, he authorised the Air Force 491 00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:19,975 to drop the atom bomb as soon as they were ready. 492 00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:22,144 The Japanese foreign minister, Togo, 493 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,481 in desperation cabled his ambassador in Moscow: 494 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:29,276 "Since the loss of one day relative to this present matter 495 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,362 may result in a thousand years of regret, 496 00:34:32,446 --> 00:34:36,200 it is requested you immediately have a talk with Molotov." 497 00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:40,370 But Molotov would still not meet the ambassador. 498 00:34:40,954 --> 00:34:42,372 On August 6, 499 00:34:42,456 --> 00:34:46,085 two days before the Russians had said they would attack the Japanese, 500 00:34:46,168 --> 00:34:51,048 the Enola Gay set off on its 1500-mile journey. 501 00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:56,470 I noticed as I taxied out that there were several hundred people 502 00:34:56,553 --> 00:34:59,848 that were in the area the aircraft were parked in, 503 00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:03,268 there were some in front of the control tower... 504 00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:06,897 People were out there to see what was going on 505 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,691 without really knowing what they were looking at, 506 00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:11,527 but it was something different, 507 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:15,489 so they wanted to be part of it, wanted to see what was taking place. 508 00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:18,909 There's one bomb and one aeroplane was going to carry that bomb, 509 00:35:18,992 --> 00:35:23,705 and that's the group commander, Colonel Tibbets, with his full crew. 510 00:35:23,831 --> 00:35:25,916 My crew was assigned 511 00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:28,168 to fly in formation on his right wing 512 00:35:28,252 --> 00:35:29,419 during the bombing, 513 00:35:29,503 --> 00:35:30,838 for a couple of reasons - 514 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:32,381 somebody had to fly there 515 00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:36,135 and I was scheduled by him to fly the second mission, 516 00:35:36,218 --> 00:35:39,638 if there were to be a second mission. 517 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,933 We were to have a third aircraft flying on the left wing 518 00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:45,477 who would drop back just before the bombing - 519 00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:47,271 he was equipped with cameras. 520 00:35:47,354 --> 00:35:52,151 We were to fly unseen by each other for the first three hours 521 00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:59,116 and to make rendezvous at 8,000 feet over Iwo Jima at 6am. 522 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,493 This was the plan. 523 00:36:01,577 --> 00:36:05,956 We made the rendezvous successfully, then we had about an hour and a half 524 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:11,044 to go along in a lazy formation on a beautiful night out over the Pacific, 525 00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:14,464 with moons and cloud puffs that looked like powder puffs - 526 00:36:14,548 --> 00:36:18,093 it was a quiet, peaceful evening, believe me. 527 00:36:18,177 --> 00:36:22,306 Nothing much went on - a little bit of talk in the aeroplane, 528 00:36:22,389 --> 00:36:25,225 but that's always normal on a mission - 529 00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:27,644 but then you'd get a quiet period, 530 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:32,566 and I guess everybody was dreaming or something, because it was quiet. 531 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:38,155 At 8:15 on the morning of August 6, 532 00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:44,745 the Enola Gay, flying at 32,000 feet, released its bomb over Hiroshima. 533 00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:47,998 As soon as the weight had left the aeroplane 534 00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:50,334 I immediately went into this steep turn, 535 00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:53,212 as did Sweeney and Marquart behind me, 536 00:36:53,295 --> 00:36:56,298 and we tried then to place distance 537 00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:58,884 between ourselves and the point of impact. 538 00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:02,638 In this particular case, that bomb had 53 seconds 539 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:05,766 from the time it left the aeroplane until it exploded. 540 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:10,395 That's how long it took to fall from the bombing altitude - 53 seconds. 541 00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:14,566 And this gave us adequate time, of course, to make the turn. 542 00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:19,821 Now, we had just made the turn and rolled out in level flight 543 00:37:19,947 --> 00:37:24,159 when it seemed like somebody had grabbed hold of my aeroplane 544 00:37:24,243 --> 00:37:26,036 and gave it a real hard shaking, 545 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,998 because this was the shock wave that had come up. 546 00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:40,050 This was something that I was glad to feel 547 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:42,761 because it gave me a moment of relief- 548 00:37:42,844 --> 00:37:47,266 after all, having worked on that bomb for well over a year, 549 00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:50,227 that 53 seconds while I'm turning the aeroplane 550 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,480 I'm wondering "Is it or is it not going to work?" 551 00:37:53,563 --> 00:37:59,111 And, of course, the shock wave hitting us was indication it had worked. 552 00:37:59,194 --> 00:38:02,990 Therefore I felt that success had been achieved. 553 00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:07,035 When the bomb came I saw a yellowish flash 554 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,997 and I was buried in the darkness. 555 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,711 The two-storeyed wooden building that was my house, with eight rooms in it, 556 00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:19,464 was blown down to pieces and covered me up. 557 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:24,845 When I regained consciousness 558 00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:28,056 everything was pitch dark all around me. 559 00:38:28,181 --> 00:38:31,643 I tried to stand up, but my leg was broken. 560 00:38:31,727 --> 00:38:37,107 I tried to speak and I found that six of my teeth had been broken. 561 00:38:37,232 --> 00:38:41,069 Then I realised that my face was burnt and my back was burnt. 562 00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:46,491 There was a slash right across from one shoulder down to the waist. 563 00:38:46,575 --> 00:38:50,412 I crawled to the river bank and when I got there 564 00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:54,916 I saw hundreds of bodies come floating down the river. 565 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,882 And it was then that I realised with a shock that all Hiroshima had been hit. 566 00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:07,554 The day was clear 567 00:39:07,637 --> 00:39:09,181 when we dropped that bomb - 568 00:39:09,264 --> 00:39:12,601 it was a clear sunshiny day and visibility was unrestricted - 569 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,936 so as we came back around, 570 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:18,815 again facing the direction of Hiroshima, 571 00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:22,235 we saw this cloud coming up. 572 00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:26,907 The cloud by this time - now two minutes - the cloud was up at our altitude. 573 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,909 We were at 33,000 feet at this time, 574 00:39:28,992 --> 00:39:30,410 and the cloud was up there 575 00:39:30,494 --> 00:39:34,539 and continuing to go right on up in a boiling fashion - 576 00:39:34,623 --> 00:39:37,084 it was rolling and boiling. 577 00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:44,174 The surface was nothing but... a black, boiling... 578 00:39:44,257 --> 00:39:46,760 the only thing I can say, like a barrel of tar - 579 00:39:46,843 --> 00:39:49,054 probably the best description I can give. 580 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:51,139 This was the way it looked down there. 581 00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:53,100 Where before there had been a city - 582 00:39:53,183 --> 00:39:55,268 distinctive houses, buildings 583 00:39:55,352 --> 00:39:58,188 and everything that you could see from our altitude - 584 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:03,652 now you couldn't see anything except this black, boiling debris down below. 585 00:40:03,777 --> 00:40:07,447 We took pictures as rapidly as we could. 586 00:40:07,531 --> 00:40:11,701 My immediate concern after that was "It's time to get out of here." 587 00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:18,667 I encountered long, ceaseless lines of escapees. 588 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:24,756 All of them had no clothes whatsoever on their bodies. 589 00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:29,636 And the skin 590 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,600 from their faces, arms and breast 591 00:40:35,684 --> 00:40:38,061 peeling off and hanging loose - 592 00:40:38,145 --> 00:40:43,191 and yet without any expression. 593 00:40:43,275 --> 00:40:47,028 In deep silence they are escaping. 594 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:52,117 I thought it was a procession of ghosts. 595 00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:54,453 The words went back 596 00:40:54,536 --> 00:40:59,249 basically to the effect that the bombing conditions were clear, 597 00:40:59,332 --> 00:41:03,753 the target had been hit, the results were better than had been anticipated, 598 00:41:03,837 --> 00:41:06,089 and that message was sent on back. 599 00:41:06,173 --> 00:41:08,258 From there on it was just a proposition 600 00:41:08,341 --> 00:41:10,635 of letting everybody talk for a few minutes 601 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,679 and get it out of their system. 602 00:41:12,762 --> 00:41:14,723 The excitement was over - 603 00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:18,643 pretty soon it became a rather routine flight back home. 604 00:41:18,727 --> 00:41:20,896 As a matter of fact, it was routine enough 605 00:41:20,979 --> 00:41:24,691 that I let Bob Lewis and the autopilot fly that aeroplane 606 00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:28,570 and went back and got some sleep for about the first time in 30 hours - 607 00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:30,530 and I was ready for it. 608 00:41:30,614 --> 00:41:32,240 A long drawn-out war, 609 00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:39,247 you begin to get casualties from the side-effects of exhaustion, privation... 610 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:43,001 disease and things of that sort. 611 00:41:43,084 --> 00:41:46,421 So getting it over with as quick as possible 612 00:41:46,505 --> 00:41:52,177 is a moral responsibility of everyone concerned. 613 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:56,056 Now, it's true that we knew the war was over 614 00:41:56,139 --> 00:41:59,184 and if we just waited a little while it would be over, 615 00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:02,020 because the Japanese were negotiating, 616 00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:05,106 and we knew this because we'd broken their code 617 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:07,859 and we were listening to their communications. 618 00:42:07,943 --> 00:42:14,783 But I believe that President Truman made the proper decision to use it... 619 00:42:15,951 --> 00:42:19,246 because it probably hastened the negotiations 620 00:42:19,329 --> 00:42:22,624 and even if we just saved one day, 621 00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:25,377 to me it would be worthwhile, you have to do it. 622 00:42:26,419 --> 00:42:29,798 I thought it was absolutely unnecessary, 623 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:34,427 because by the time the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima 624 00:42:34,511 --> 00:42:40,433 we were conducting negotiations with the Soviet government, 625 00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:43,895 looking towards an early end of hostilities. 626 00:42:43,979 --> 00:42:48,650 And we were completely exhausted. 627 00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:52,779 And the navy and army, too, 628 00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:55,949 were slowly becoming... 629 00:42:58,827 --> 00:43:04,874 more amenable to the idea of peace. 630 00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:08,628 It's an appalling subject to talk about, 631 00:43:08,712 --> 00:43:13,216 and the United States has, consciously and unconsciously, 632 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,636 a great deal of guilt complex about its use. 633 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:22,976 But Truman made the decision on the basis of the military necessities. 634 00:43:23,059 --> 00:43:27,147 And I think an impartial analysis, 635 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:30,150 particularly from the Japanese themselves - 636 00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:34,112 more evidence is coming out that they would've fought on fanatically. 637 00:43:34,195 --> 00:43:36,323 You know, they did fight on fanatically 638 00:43:36,406 --> 00:43:37,949 in some of the islands, 639 00:43:38,033 --> 00:43:40,118 in spite of the surrender. 640 00:43:40,201 --> 00:43:44,623 And the emperor wouldn't have had the courage 641 00:43:44,706 --> 00:43:48,209 to have called it off, or the support to call it off. 642 00:43:48,752 --> 00:43:54,007 When I heard about the atomic bomb I was so astonished, 643 00:43:54,924 --> 00:43:59,929 and I frankly said, "The American people are brutal." 644 00:44:02,766 --> 00:44:08,021 I wondered if the American people were really civilised. 645 00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:09,814 But at the same time 646 00:44:09,898 --> 00:44:14,611 I thought this may become a key 647 00:44:14,694 --> 00:44:19,282 for Japan to end the war. 648 00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:26,247 It was two days before the Japanese government realised 649 00:44:26,331 --> 00:44:30,627 what the atomic bomb was and what it had done. 650 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:34,214 70,000 had died in Hiroshima. 651 00:44:34,297 --> 00:44:37,133 Another 70,000 were injured. 652 00:44:37,217 --> 00:44:42,555 97% of the city's buildings were destroyed or severely damaged. 653 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,975 President Truman, on hearing the news, 654 00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:49,729 called it "the greatest thing in history". 655 00:44:49,813 --> 00:44:52,107 The peace group in the Japanese cabinet 656 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:57,028 hoped that the bomb might persuade the war faction to accept surrender. 657 00:44:57,112 --> 00:45:00,198 As the cabinet met on the morning of August 9, 658 00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:03,368 it received further shattering news. 659 00:45:04,327 --> 00:45:06,454 The previous evening, in Moscow, 660 00:45:06,538 --> 00:45:09,666 Molotov had finally received the Japanese ambassador 661 00:45:09,749 --> 00:45:14,045 and bluntly told him that Russia was about to declare war on Japan. 662 00:45:14,671 --> 00:45:18,717 Eight hours later - exactly three months after the defeat of Germany, 663 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,802 just as Stalin had promised - 664 00:45:20,885 --> 00:45:24,556 Russia attacked the Japanese army in Manchuria. 665 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:29,519 Japanese hopes of Russian mediation were at an end. 666 00:45:29,602 --> 00:45:33,440 American hopes of finishing the war before Russia became involved 667 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,984 were thwarted. 668 00:45:41,531 --> 00:45:43,616 Later that same morning, 669 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,704 the Americans dropped a plutonium bomb on Nagasaki. 670 00:45:47,787 --> 00:45:50,290 It killed 60,000 people. 671 00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:52,917 But even now the Japanese militants 672 00:45:53,001 --> 00:45:56,546 held out for a surrender without an occupation. 673 00:45:57,714 --> 00:46:02,135 The peace party wanted only to preserve the emperor's position. 674 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,929 For the first time, to break the deadlock, 675 00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:09,100 the emperor, Hirohito, was called in to decide. 676 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:12,979 He chose peace. 677 00:46:13,062 --> 00:46:18,860 I shall never forget the emotion of that time. 678 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:25,492 Everybody started to cry, so I looked at the emperor's face. 679 00:46:25,575 --> 00:46:28,912 He just kept silent, 680 00:46:29,662 --> 00:46:36,795 but he wore white gloves on his hands... 681 00:46:37,921 --> 00:46:45,136 He wiped his own face several times, 682 00:46:46,262 --> 00:46:52,352 so we could know the emperor himself, 683 00:46:52,435 --> 00:46:55,814 His Majesty the emperor himself, was crying. 684 00:46:56,689 --> 00:47:02,779 I shall never forget the emotion 685 00:47:02,862 --> 00:47:05,073 in this room at that time. 686 00:47:07,408 --> 00:47:10,829 On August 10, the Japanese made it known they would surrender 687 00:47:10,912 --> 00:47:14,249 if the emperor were allowed to stay. 688 00:47:14,332 --> 00:47:19,420 On August 12, the Allies sent a noncommittal reply. 689 00:47:19,546 --> 00:47:22,882 By this time, Japan's army was near revolt. 690 00:47:25,927 --> 00:47:29,764 Even if a thousand atom bombs had been dropped, 691 00:47:29,848 --> 00:47:34,143 and even if Japan had been completely devastated, 692 00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:38,231 you must remember that Japan's honour was at stake, 693 00:47:38,314 --> 00:47:40,942 the pride of the Japanese at that time 694 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:46,447 who felt that the only honourable way out of the war was not to surrender, 695 00:47:46,531 --> 00:47:48,867 but to die to the last man. 696 00:47:49,701 --> 00:47:52,078 The Americans dropped leaflets 697 00:47:52,161 --> 00:47:54,205 urging the Japanese to surrender. 698 00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:59,586 These almost upset the delicate manoeuvrings of the peace party. 699 00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:06,009 That could have caused a lot of trouble. 700 00:48:06,092 --> 00:48:08,887 Civilians and soldiers all over the country 701 00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:12,932 were completely unaware of what was going on. 702 00:48:13,016 --> 00:48:16,603 If they had found out that the government was negotiating peace 703 00:48:16,728 --> 00:48:18,813 with the United States, 704 00:48:18,897 --> 00:48:22,108 the situation would have become impossible. 705 00:48:22,191 --> 00:48:25,653 It might even have led to a revolution. 706 00:48:25,737 --> 00:48:31,868 So I felt we had to reach a final decision as fast as possible. 707 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,584 Once again, on August 14, 708 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,712 the emperor met a divided Supreme War Council 709 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:46,966 and told them they must accept the Allied ultimatum. 710 00:48:47,050 --> 00:48:51,429 He himself would broadcast the next day. 711 00:48:51,512 --> 00:48:54,641 That night, a group of junior officers invaded the palace 712 00:48:54,724 --> 00:48:58,019 and tried to seize the recording of the emperor's message. 713 00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:01,856 They couldn't find it. The coup failed. 714 00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:03,358 At noon on August 15, 715 00:49:03,441 --> 00:49:10,365 the Japanese people heard their emperor's voice for the first time. 716 00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:22,919 "The war", he told them, "has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage." 717 00:49:23,002 --> 00:49:29,133 "Moreover, the enemy has begun to use a new and most cruel bomb." 718 00:49:29,217 --> 00:49:31,552 "Should we continue to fight, 719 00:49:31,636 --> 00:49:34,847 it will not only result in an ultimate collapse 720 00:49:34,931 --> 00:49:38,101 and obliteration of the Japanese nation, 721 00:49:38,184 --> 00:49:43,648 but also the total destruction of human civilisation." 722 00:49:43,731 --> 00:49:48,569 "We must, therefore, endure the unendurable." 723 00:49:50,738 --> 00:49:57,328 When the emperor addressed the nation through his broadcast, 724 00:49:57,412 --> 00:50:04,043 I know that 99 men out of 100 725 00:50:04,127 --> 00:50:06,170 were taken aback. 726 00:50:06,254 --> 00:50:10,842 They expected the emperor to urge them to fight on. 727 00:50:11,968 --> 00:50:17,473 So the shock was tremendous. 728 00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:23,604 And all the army officers, particularly the younger ones, 729 00:50:23,688 --> 00:50:29,902 who said that they had to fight to the bitter end, 730 00:50:29,986 --> 00:50:33,072 were naturally disillusioned. 731 00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:39,704 Some even tried to remonstrate 732 00:50:39,787 --> 00:50:44,834 with the decision taken by the cabinet for surrender. 733 00:50:50,214 --> 00:50:53,551 In a way it could be said that the atomic bombings 734 00:50:53,634 --> 00:50:56,095 and Russia's sudden attack on Japan 735 00:50:56,179 --> 00:50:58,890 helped to bring about the end of the war. 736 00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:01,350 If those events had not happened, 737 00:51:01,434 --> 00:51:06,272 Japan, at that stage, probably could not have stopped fighting. 738 00:51:14,864 --> 00:51:18,326 The war had ended, but not the dying. 739 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,998 And radiation sickness - which the Americans had not foreseen - 740 00:51:24,082 --> 00:51:26,667 would kill thousands more in the years to come. 741 00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:38,346 The morning of September 2, 1945: 742 00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:43,392 the United States battleship Missouri is anchored in Tokyo Bay. 743 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:47,105 The new Japanese foreign minister, Shigemitsu, 744 00:51:47,188 --> 00:51:51,651 limps on board to sign the surrender document. 745 00:52:04,247 --> 00:52:07,875 The Allied commander, General MacArthur. 746 00:52:07,959 --> 00:52:15,508 I now invite the representatives of the emperor of Japan 747 00:52:15,591 --> 00:52:18,553 and the Japanese government 748 00:52:18,636 --> 00:52:21,973 and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters 749 00:52:22,098 --> 00:52:27,728 to sign the instrument of surrender at the places indicated. 750 00:52:27,812 --> 00:52:33,067 The foreign minister's aide, Kase, watched the ceremony. 751 00:52:33,151 --> 00:52:40,533 I saw many thousands of sailors everywhere on this huge vessel, 752 00:52:40,616 --> 00:52:46,706 and just in front of us were delegates of the victorious powers, 753 00:52:46,789 --> 00:52:50,960 in military uniforms glittering with gold. 754 00:52:51,669 --> 00:52:53,421 And looking at them, 755 00:52:53,504 --> 00:53:00,136 I wondered how Japan ever thought she could defeat all those nations. 756 00:53:02,388 --> 00:53:08,269 Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world, 757 00:53:09,562 --> 00:53:14,442 and that God will preserve it always. 758 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:19,322 These proceedings are closed. 88019

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