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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,184 --> 00:00:15,049 Captioning sponsored by CBS >> I FINALLY MET THE PUPPET 2 00:00:15,084 --> 00:00:16,292 MASTERS. 3 00:00:16,326 --> 00:00:18,846 THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN COOKING THE BOOKS. 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,710 I WANTED NO PART OF THIS. 5 00:00:20,744 --> 00:00:25,956 I COULD SEE MYSELF GOING TO JAIL. 6 00:00:25,991 --> 00:00:30,685 I FOUND MYSELF UP AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL CORPORATIONS 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,998 IN THE COUNTRY. 8 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:36,070 I CAME TO BELIEVE THAT THE COMPANY MIGHT BE DOUBLE- OR EVEN 9 00:00:36,105 --> 00:00:38,693 TRIPLE-BILLING FOR THESE EXPENSIVE PARTS TO THE U.S. 10 00:00:38,728 --> 00:00:40,316 GOVERNMENT. 11 00:00:40,350 --> 00:00:43,353 AND THIS WAS ADDING UP TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 12 00:00:50,222 --> 00:00:53,950 I WORKED FOR THE DEFENSE CONTRACTOR, NORTHROP, AND MY JOB 13 00:00:53,984 --> 00:00:58,403 THERE WAS TO TRACK INVENTORY THAT WOUND UP IN THE B-1 BOMBER, 14 00:00:58,437 --> 00:01:01,440 THE STEALTH BOMBER, AND THE F-15 FIGHTER. 15 00:01:05,444 --> 00:01:07,446 SOMEBODY WAS IN MY HOUSE. 16 00:01:07,481 --> 00:01:09,103 MY FAMILY WAS ASLEEP. 17 00:01:09,138 --> 00:01:15,247 THEY COULD'VE DONE ANYTHING TO US. 18 00:01:15,282 --> 00:01:20,149 MY NAME IS JAMES H. HOLZRICHTER, AND I'M A WHISTLEBLOWER. 19 00:01:20,183 --> 00:01:22,082 >> IF YOU KNOW JIM, HE LOVES AMERICA. 20 00:01:22,116 --> 00:01:26,500 AND HE BELIEVES IN RIGHT AND WRONG. 21 00:01:26,534 --> 00:01:28,916 THIS WAS NOT JUST AN ORDINARY FRAUD CASE. 22 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:37,131 FRANKLY, IT AFFECTED NATIONAL SECURITY. 23 00:01:37,166 --> 00:01:39,754 >> I WANTED TO GET SOME DOCUMENTS OUT, TO PROTECT MYSELF 24 00:01:39,789 --> 00:01:41,101 IN CASE THEY WERE DESTROYED. 25 00:01:41,135 --> 00:01:45,726 I SMUGGLED COPIES OF DOCUMENTS OUT AND BROUGHT THEM TO THE 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,832 FEDERAL AGENTS. 27 00:01:51,628 --> 00:01:55,356 MY PHONES WERE TAPPED, AND EVEN MY CARS WERE TAMPERED WITH. 28 00:01:55,391 --> 00:01:58,014 I CAN'T SAY WHO IT WAS. 29 00:01:58,048 --> 00:01:59,429 SOMEBODY DID IT. 30 00:01:59,464 --> 00:02:02,570 AND I ALMOST LOST MY LIFE. 31 00:02:03,192 --> 00:02:05,987 WE WOUND UP IN A HOMELESS SHELTER. 32 00:02:06,022 --> 00:02:17,482 THE ENTIRE FAMILY GOES THROUGH EVERYTHING, THE COST IS SO MUCH. 33 00:02:17,516 --> 00:02:20,243 >> SEE OUR SUCCESSES AND WHEN WE HAVE MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR 34 00:02:20,278 --> 00:02:23,419 SETTLEMENTS. 35 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,527 WHAT THEY DON'T SAY, AND FRANKLY WE DON'T TALK ABOUT A LOT, IS 36 00:02:28,562 --> 00:02:30,736 THE CASES WE LOSE. 37 00:02:30,771 --> 00:02:34,015 UNLESS A WHISTLEBLOWER'S PREPARED FOR THE STRESS, THEY 38 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:36,225 SHOULDN'T GET INVOLVED. 39 00:02:37,018 --> 00:02:38,468 >> WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, MY FATHER SAID SOMETHING TO ME THAT I'VE 40 00:02:38,503 --> 00:02:40,643 NEVER FORGOTTEN. 41 00:02:40,677 --> 00:02:45,682 HE SAID, "JIMMY, WHEN IS IT EVER WRONG TO DO THE RIGHT THING?" 42 00:03:01,008 --> 00:03:04,218 >> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER, THIS IS "WHISTLEBLOWER." 43 00:03:04,253 --> 00:03:07,394 WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SACRIFICE YOUR FAMILY'S SAFETY 44 00:03:07,428 --> 00:03:09,430 TO STOP MASSIVE FRAUD ON A TOP- SECRET GOVERNMENT PROJECT? 45 00:03:16,334 --> 00:03:19,751 >> WE'RE HEADING ON OVER TO THE PLACE WHERE MARY AND I WERE 46 00:03:19,785 --> 00:03:23,824 LIVING WITH OUR CHILDREN WHEN THIS ALL BEGAN-- WHEN I FIRST 47 00:03:23,858 --> 00:03:27,897 STARTED FINDING OUT ABOUT THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T ADD UP. 48 00:03:27,931 --> 00:03:31,314 AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE WAS BROKEN INTO. 49 00:03:31,349 --> 00:03:36,733 SO YEAH, THIS IS WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. 50 00:03:36,768 --> 00:03:39,149 >> Reporter: JIM HOLZRICHTER'S JOURNEY AS A WHISTLEBLOWER BEGAN 51 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:42,083 A FEW YEARS AFTER HE'D LEFT THE COAST GUARD AND STARTED HIS 52 00:03:42,118 --> 00:03:44,603 DREAM JOB AT NORTHROP CORPORATION, ONE OF THE TOP 53 00:03:44,638 --> 00:03:49,884 MILITARY CONTRACTORS IN THE WORLD. 54 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,439 >> WHERE THEY MADE THE AVIONICS FOR ALL SORTS OF HIGH TECH 55 00:03:52,473 --> 00:03:54,268 AIRCRAFT. 56 00:03:54,303 --> 00:04:00,792 THE F-16-- THE B-1 BOMBER-- THE B-52, THEY WERE ALSO WORKING ON 57 00:04:00,826 --> 00:04:05,141 A VERY CLASSIFIED PROJECT THAT CONGRESS WOULDN'T EVEN ADMIT IT 58 00:04:05,175 --> 00:04:09,663 WAS EXISTING, AND THAT WAS THE B-2 STEALTH BOMBER. 59 00:04:09,697 --> 00:04:12,252 IT HADN'T MERGED WITH GRUMMAN YET, SO IT WAS JUST NORTHROP. 60 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:18,085 SO THEN I BEGAN WORKING' THERE AN ELECTRONIC TECHNICIAN. 61 00:04:18,119 --> 00:04:19,293 >> Reporter: NORTHROP IS DEALING WITH SOME OF THE TOP MILITARY 62 00:04:19,328 --> 00:04:19,811 SECRETS OF OUR COUNTRY. 63 00:04:19,845 --> 00:04:21,157 >> YES. 64 00:04:21,191 --> 00:04:24,574 >> Reporter: JIM WAS WORKING AT NORTHROP'S PLANT IN ROLLING 65 00:04:24,609 --> 00:04:28,544 MEADOWS, ILLINOIS, JUST NORTH OF CHICAGO. 66 00:04:28,578 --> 00:04:30,615 HIS JOB: TRACKING THE INVENTORY OF CRITICAL ELECTRONICS FOR THE 67 00:04:30,649 --> 00:04:32,410 AIR FORCE'S F-15 FIGHTER, B-1 BOMBER AND THE B-2 STEALTH 68 00:04:32,444 --> 00:04:37,760 BOMBER. 69 00:04:37,794 --> 00:04:41,004 SO THEY CALLED THESE BLACK PROGRAMS, RIGHT? 70 00:04:41,039 --> 00:04:42,351 >> UH-HUH. 71 00:04:42,385 --> 00:04:45,112 >> Reporter: AND-- BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SECRET. 72 00:04:45,146 --> 00:04:48,702 NOBODY REALLY HAD THE WHOLE PICTURE? 73 00:04:48,736 --> 00:04:49,910 PEOPLE COULD ONLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT THEY COULDN'T 74 00:04:49,944 --> 00:04:51,014 SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE? 75 00:04:51,049 --> 00:04:52,257 >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. 76 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:54,363 >> Reporter: TELL ME ABOUT THE CULTURE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT. 77 00:04:54,397 --> 00:04:54,915 >> SUSPICION. 78 00:04:54,949 --> 00:04:57,262 FEAR. 79 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:59,678 THAT REALLY WAS AN UNDERLYING UNDERCURRENT. 80 00:04:59,713 --> 00:05:01,404 >> Reporter: THE WORK WAS SENSITIVE AND THE SECURITY WAS 81 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:06,582 INTENSE. 82 00:05:06,616 --> 00:05:09,654 >> THEY HAD THE CAMERAS ALL OVER THE PLACE TO WATCH YOU. 83 00:05:09,688 --> 00:05:12,484 THE PHONES YOU KNEW WERE MONITORED IN AND OUT. 84 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:13,727 >> Reporter: THEY COULD LISTEN TO ANY PHONE CALL THAT YOU MADE 85 00:05:13,761 --> 00:05:14,900 OR RECEIVED? 86 00:05:14,935 --> 00:05:17,282 >> INSIDE THE COMPANY, YES. 87 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,526 >> Reporter: BUT JIM REVELED IN WORKING FOR THE DEFENSE 88 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,942 INDUSTRY. 89 00:05:21,976 --> 00:05:25,083 >> HE WAS SO HAPPY TO BE AT A REGULAR JOB, A NORMAL JOB AND 90 00:05:25,117 --> 00:05:26,567 MONEY WAS COMING IN EVERY WEEK. 91 00:05:26,602 --> 00:05:28,880 IT WAS GOOD. 92 00:05:28,914 --> 00:05:32,435 I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD-- GOOD SITUATION. 93 00:05:32,470 --> 00:05:35,542 >> Reporter: JIM, HIS WIFE MARY AND THEIR FIVE KIDS- AGES THREE 94 00:05:35,576 --> 00:05:39,304 TO 14 AT THE TIME- WERE LIVING A COMFORTABLE LIFE IN A RENTED 95 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:40,547 HOME IN THE SUBURBS. 96 00:05:40,581 --> 00:05:43,204 AND AT SOME POINT, YOU MOVE FROM TESTING EQUIPMENT TO AUDITING 97 00:05:43,239 --> 00:05:46,207 THE SYSTEMS THAT MONITOR PARTS THINGS LIKE THAT- 98 00:05:46,242 --> 00:05:48,417 >> YES, PRODUCT ASSURANCE. 99 00:05:48,451 --> 00:05:50,798 >> Reporter: "PRODUCT ASSURANCE": THAT'S THE 100 00:05:50,833 --> 00:05:52,766 DEPARTMENT MAKING SURE THE COMPANY WAS PROPERLY BILLING FOR 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,804 THE PARTS THAT MAKE UP THE STEALTH TECHNOLOGY VITAL TO OUR 102 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,461 NATIONAL SECURITY. 103 00:05:58,496 --> 00:06:01,706 >> I WAS FINDING DISCREPANCIES, THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T ADD 104 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:03,086 UP. 105 00:06:03,121 --> 00:06:05,261 THERE WERE CIRCUIT CARDS THAT, AS SOON AS THEY'D COME IN, 106 00:06:05,295 --> 00:06:07,436 THEY'D THROW THEM OUT. 107 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:09,990 >> Reporter: JIM COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY NORTHROP WOULD SCRAP 108 00:06:10,024 --> 00:06:11,750 PERFECTLY GOOD PARTS. 109 00:06:11,785 --> 00:06:19,517 >> IT STARTED MAKING ME FEEL SOMETHING'S WRONG HERE. 110 00:06:19,551 --> 00:06:23,866 THEY ALSO HAD WHAT WAS KNOWN AS AN INFLATED BILL TO MATERIALS. 111 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:26,144 PHANTOM PARTS, CHARGING FOR PARTS THAT WEREN'T IN IT, 112 00:06:26,178 --> 00:06:31,011 SALVAGING PARTS-- A PART THAT HAD FAILED, THEY'D TAKE ALL THE 113 00:06:31,045 --> 00:06:33,393 GOOD PARTS OUT AND REUSE THEM AND, THEN, CHARGE AGAIN FOR THEM 114 00:06:33,427 --> 00:06:34,532 AS IF THEY WERE NEW. 115 00:06:34,566 --> 00:06:37,362 SO NINE TO $11 MILLION WORTH OF COST OVERRUNS OR COST 116 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:39,675 OVERCHARGES TO THE CUSTOMER. 117 00:06:39,709 --> 00:06:41,366 >> Reporter: AND THE CUSTOMER BEING OVERCHARGED WAS THE U.S. 118 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,368 GOVERNMENT. 119 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:50,513 SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT NORTHROP WOULD ORDER A PART. 120 00:06:50,548 --> 00:06:54,552 THE PART WOULD COME IN AND THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 121 00:06:54,586 --> 00:06:56,899 THEY'D SEND IT BACK TO THE VENDOR. 122 00:06:56,933 --> 00:07:00,005 AND WHEN THE VENDOR SENT IT BACK REPAIRED, THE VENDOR WOULDN'T 123 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,561 BILL NORTHROP, BUT THE COMPUTER SYSTEM AT NORTHROP 124 00:07:03,595 --> 00:07:07,565 WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BILL THE GOVERNMENT A SECOND TIME FOR THE 125 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:08,393 PART? 126 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:09,187 >> YES. 127 00:07:09,221 --> 00:07:10,050 THAT'S-- >> Reporter: DID THAT EVER 128 00:07:10,084 --> 00:07:11,258 HAPPEN MORE THAN TWICE? 129 00:07:11,292 --> 00:07:12,328 THERE WAS TIMES WHEN THE PART WAS SENT BACK AGAIN AND THE 130 00:07:12,362 --> 00:07:15,089 GOVERNMENT WAS BILLED-- >> IT HAPPENED HUNDREDS OF 131 00:07:15,124 --> 00:07:16,125 TIMES. 132 00:07:16,159 --> 00:07:17,782 TO THE TUNES OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 133 00:07:17,816 --> 00:07:20,474 >> Reporter: AND HOW EXPENSIVE WERE THESE PARTS? 134 00:07:20,509 --> 00:07:23,270 >> THEY COULD GO UPWARDS OF $116,000 FOR ONE OF THEM. 135 00:07:23,304 --> 00:07:23,753 >> Reporter: PER PART? 136 00:07:23,788 --> 00:07:24,892 >> PER PART. 137 00:07:24,927 --> 00:07:27,447 >> Reporter: JIM HAD DISCOVERED THAT IN SUPPLYING THE 138 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:31,347 ELECTRONICS FOR THE AIR FORCE'S CUTTING-EDGE AIRCRAFT, NORTHROP 139 00:07:31,381 --> 00:07:35,006 WAS NOT ONLY DOUBLE- OR TRIPLE- BILLING FOR EXPENSIVE PARTS, 140 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,181 THEY WERE SHIFTING COSTS FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER TO 141 00:07:38,216 --> 00:07:41,771 MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS, AND CONCEALING THOSE DISCREPANCIES 142 00:07:41,806 --> 00:07:46,086 FROM THE GOVERNMENT. 143 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,881 AS YOU'RE FINDING THESE DISCREPANCIES, WHO ARE YOU 144 00:07:47,915 --> 00:07:50,849 REPORTING THEM TO? 145 00:07:50,884 --> 00:07:54,232 >> MY IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR, EVERY ONE OF THEM. 146 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:57,200 AND THEN ADMINISTRATOR OF PRODUCT ASSURANCE COMES BY. 147 00:07:57,235 --> 00:07:58,547 AND SHE STOPS AT MY DESK AND SHE STANDS THERE, "WELL, WHAT ARE 148 00:07:58,581 --> 00:08:03,034 YOU DOING?" AND I TOLD HER WHAT I WAS DOING 149 00:08:03,068 --> 00:08:06,969 AND SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE'S THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING. 150 00:08:07,003 --> 00:08:08,626 AND THEN SHE SAYS, "WELL, I WANT YOU TO STOP NOW." 151 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:12,837 I REALIZED THAT ALL OF THE INDICATORS WERE SHOWING THAT 152 00:08:12,871 --> 00:08:15,391 THERE MIGHT BE ACTUAL FRAUD. 153 00:08:15,425 --> 00:08:16,185 I WANTED NO PART OF THIS. 154 00:08:16,219 --> 00:08:19,153 I COULD SEE MYSELF GOING TO JAIL. 155 00:08:19,188 --> 00:08:20,776 I'M THINKING, "I NEED TO START COVERING MYSELF IN CASE 156 00:08:20,810 --> 00:08:23,261 SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAPPENS." 157 00:08:23,295 --> 00:08:25,263 >> Reporter: AT THIS POINT YOU'RE THINKING, "I'M GOING TO 158 00:08:25,297 --> 00:08:26,333 START KEEPING A COPY OF EVERYTHING IN CASE THINGS GO 159 00:08:26,367 --> 00:08:29,336 SOUTH --" >> FOR MYSELF. 160 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:30,751 >> Reporter: "I HAVE DOCUMENTATION"? 161 00:08:30,786 --> 00:08:32,753 >> YES. 162 00:08:32,788 --> 00:08:36,205 [COPY MACHINE WHIRRING] SO I MADE COPIES OF THE 163 00:08:36,239 --> 00:08:37,896 DOCUMENTS, BUT HOW DO YOU GET THEM OUT OF A FACILITY THAT IS A 164 00:08:37,931 --> 00:08:41,141 TOP-SECRET FACILITY? 165 00:08:41,175 --> 00:08:43,350 >> Reporter: JIM BEGAN TO SMUGGLE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS OUT 166 00:08:43,384 --> 00:08:46,180 OF NORTHROP SO HE'D HAVE EVIDENCE OF THE PROBLEMS HE WAS 167 00:08:46,215 --> 00:08:50,115 TRYING TO EXPOSE AND FIX. 168 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:52,359 >> SO WHAT I DID IS-- IS I STARTED TAPING THEM TO MY BODY. 169 00:08:52,393 --> 00:08:54,879 AND I'D TAKE THEM, AND I'D PUT THEM IN MY SOCK, AND HOLD IT 170 00:08:54,913 --> 00:09:06,960 AGAINST MY LEG LIKE THAT, AND THEN I COULD WALK OUT LIKE THIS. 171 00:09:06,994 --> 00:09:08,237 >> Reporter: HAD YOU SPOKEN TO MARY, YOUR WIFE, ABOUT WHAT HAD 172 00:09:08,271 --> 00:09:10,619 BEEN GOING ON? 173 00:09:10,653 --> 00:09:11,827 >> NO. 174 00:09:11,861 --> 00:09:12,828 >> Reporter: SHE DIDN'T KNOW? 175 00:09:12,862 --> 00:09:14,761 >> NO, SHE DID NOT. 176 00:09:14,795 --> 00:09:18,143 >> I GOT MY FEELINGS FROM THE WAY HE WAS FEELING. 177 00:09:18,178 --> 00:09:19,386 BECAUSE HE WAS STARTING TO FEEL LIKE HE WAS BEING FOLLOWED AND 178 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:22,562 WATCHED. 179 00:09:22,596 --> 00:09:25,979 BUT I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW TOO MUCH, BECAUSE IT DID SEEM 180 00:09:26,013 --> 00:09:29,292 LIKE IT KIND OF WAS STARTING TO GET TO BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION. 181 00:09:29,327 --> 00:09:32,054 AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THE MORE I KNOW, THE MORE DANGER I'M GOING 182 00:09:32,088 --> 00:09:33,158 TO BE IN. 183 00:09:33,193 --> 00:09:37,507 AND I GOT TO BE HERE FOR MY KIDS. 184 00:09:37,542 --> 00:09:39,406 >> Reporter: FOR MONTHS, THIS CONTINUED, AND THEN ONE NIGHT 185 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,998 AFTER WORK, A PHONE CALL FROM A STRANGER CHANGED EVERYTHING. 186 00:09:45,032 --> 00:09:52,626 >> HE GOES, "MY NAME IS RICHARD ZOTT. 187 00:09:52,661 --> 00:09:57,666 AND I'M A FEDERAL AGENT FOR THE DEFENSE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE 188 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:01,221 SERVICE AND I'M MAKING SOME INVESTIGATIONS AT NORTHROP AND 189 00:10:01,255 --> 00:10:03,533 I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU." 190 00:10:03,568 --> 00:10:05,570 IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY PUNCHED ME IN THE STOMACH. 191 00:10:18,687 --> 00:10:22,483 >> Reporter: JIM HOLZRICHTER WAS HOME WITH HIS FAMILY ONE NIGHT 192 00:10:22,518 --> 00:10:25,901 WHEN HE RECEIVED THAT DISTURBING PHONE CALL. 193 00:10:25,935 --> 00:10:28,835 >> AND NOW HERE'S SOMEONE SAYING HE'S A FEDERAL AGENT. 194 00:10:28,869 --> 00:10:29,974 I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS. 195 00:10:30,008 --> 00:10:31,182 HE'S A VOICE ON THE PHONE. 196 00:10:31,216 --> 00:10:34,841 IT COULD BE SOMEONE FROM NORTHROP SAYING, "LET'S CHECK 197 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:37,809 JIM TO SEE IF HE'S GOING TO RAT US OUT." 198 00:10:37,844 --> 00:10:41,399 AND I COULD BE BEING SET UP. 199 00:10:41,433 --> 00:10:44,298 >> Reporter: BUT THE CALLER WAS, IN FACT, AN INVESTIGATOR WITH 200 00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:47,577 THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT NAMED RICHARD ZOTT. 201 00:10:47,612 --> 00:10:50,684 YOU COLD-CALLED JIM AT HOME AFTER WORK ONE DAY. 202 00:10:50,719 --> 00:10:51,892 >> YES, I DID. 203 00:10:51,927 --> 00:10:57,760 >> Reporter: AND YOU WERE A FEDERAL AGENT WITH WHICH-- 204 00:10:57,795 --> 00:10:58,796 >> THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THE DEFENSE CRIMINAL 205 00:10:58,830 --> 00:10:59,693 INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE. 206 00:10:59,728 --> 00:11:01,419 AND-- THERE WAS HESITATION ON THE PHONE. 207 00:11:01,453 --> 00:11:04,146 YOU COULD HEAR THE WHEELS MOVING. 208 00:11:04,180 --> 00:11:06,286 >> AND HE SAYS, "I WANT TO TALK TO YOU." 209 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,184 AND I GO, "WELL, I CAN'T VERIFY YOUR CREDENTIALS. 210 00:11:08,219 --> 00:11:09,220 YOU COULD BE A FOREIGN AGENT. 211 00:11:09,254 --> 00:11:12,154 I WORK FOR A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR." 212 00:11:12,188 --> 00:11:14,604 I SAYS, "I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO. 213 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,952 I'M GOING TO GO INTO WORK TOMORROW AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW 214 00:11:16,986 --> 00:11:20,093 THAT YOU CALLED ME." 215 00:11:20,127 --> 00:11:22,267 >> SO I SAID, "YOU KNOW, JIM, YOU CAN TALK TO THEIR 216 00:11:22,302 --> 00:11:23,441 ATTORNEYS. 217 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:25,926 BUT THEY WON'T REPRESENT YOU. 218 00:11:25,961 --> 00:11:31,069 THEY'LL REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF NORTHROP. 219 00:11:31,104 --> 00:11:34,279 AND SO I THINK YOU AND I REALLY NEED TO TALK." 220 00:11:34,314 --> 00:11:35,729 AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ME, 221 00:11:35,764 --> 00:11:37,558 THE NEXT TIME I TALK TO YOU, UNFORTUNATELY, IT-- IT MAY BE 222 00:11:37,593 --> 00:11:39,733 TAKING YOU AWAY IN HANDCUFFS." 223 00:11:39,768 --> 00:11:40,872 >> I SAYS, "WELL, WHAT TIME CAN YOU BE HERE TOMORROW?" 224 00:11:40,907 --> 00:11:41,873 [LAUGHS] >> Reporter: THAT'S A 225 00:11:41,908 --> 00:11:43,530 CONVERSATION THAT CHANGES YOUR LIFE. 226 00:11:43,564 --> 00:11:45,566 >> YEAH, OH, ABSOLUTELY. 227 00:11:45,601 --> 00:11:52,159 >> Reporter: AGREEING TO TALK WITH A FEDERAL AGENT, JIM 228 00:11:52,194 --> 00:11:55,266 HOLZRICHTER HAD TAKEN A FATEFUL STEP-- HE WAS NOW 229 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:56,336 OFFICIALLY BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON THE ALLEGED FRAUD AT 230 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:57,337 NORTHROP. 231 00:11:57,371 --> 00:11:58,890 WHAT WAS YOUR INITIAL IMPRESSION OF AGENT ZOTT? 232 00:11:58,925 --> 00:12:00,236 >> OH, MY GOODNESS. 233 00:12:00,271 --> 00:12:01,410 I THOUGHT THE CAVALRY HAD COME. 234 00:12:01,444 --> 00:12:05,034 I THOUGHT, "WELL, NOW-- NOW TH-- HERE'S THE RIGHT PERSON 235 00:12:05,069 --> 00:12:07,416 WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM." 236 00:12:07,450 --> 00:12:09,763 DID I WANT PEOPLE TO GO TO JAIL? 237 00:12:09,798 --> 00:12:10,626 NO. 238 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:11,351 DID I WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS? 239 00:12:11,385 --> 00:12:12,490 NO. 240 00:12:12,524 --> 00:12:14,423 DID I WANT THEM TO SHUT THE COMPANY DOWN AND PUT 5,000 241 00:12:14,457 --> 00:12:15,010 PEOPLE OUT OF WORK? 242 00:12:15,044 --> 00:12:16,356 NO. 243 00:12:16,390 --> 00:12:19,911 I JUST WANTED THE PROBLEM FIXED. 244 00:12:19,946 --> 00:12:23,708 >> Reporter: HOW DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION 245 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:27,022 INTO NORTHROP THAT INVOLVED JIM HOLZRICHTER? 246 00:12:27,056 --> 00:12:29,852 >> WELL, INITIALLY, AN INDIVIDUAL NAMED REX ROBINSON 247 00:12:29,887 --> 00:12:32,544 CAME ON OUR RADAR, THAT HE HAD MADE SOME ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING 248 00:12:32,579 --> 00:12:34,961 A CLASSIFIED PROGRAM. 249 00:12:34,995 --> 00:12:37,515 AND REX SAID, "YEAH, THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL NAMED JIM HOLZRICHTER 250 00:12:37,549 --> 00:12:39,793 WHO ALSO WORKS AT NORTHROP WHO MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO 251 00:12:39,828 --> 00:12:43,590 CORROBORATE WHAT I'M SAYING." 252 00:12:43,624 --> 00:12:48,975 >> IT WAS REX WHO HAD MENTIONED ME, JUST BECAUSE I HAD TOLD ONE 253 00:12:49,009 --> 00:12:54,670 GUY THAT I WAS RIDING TO WORK WITH I-- I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE 254 00:12:54,704 --> 00:12:57,742 WITH SOME THINGS I WAS SEEING GOING ON. 255 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:58,881 REX WAS WORKING IN THE SAME PROGRAM AS THE GUY WHO I DROVE 256 00:12:58,916 --> 00:13:00,918 TO WORK WITH WAS. 257 00:13:00,952 --> 00:13:02,471 >> REX WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR TESTING EQUIPMENT THAT THEY 258 00:13:02,505 --> 00:13:05,957 WERE DEVELOPING FOR THE B-2 BOMBER. 259 00:13:05,992 --> 00:13:07,717 >> IT'S THE MOST SOPHISTICATED RADAR-JAMMING TECHNOLOGY IN 260 00:13:07,752 --> 00:13:10,720 THE WORLD AT THAT POINT. 261 00:13:10,755 --> 00:13:15,691 >> Reporter: ATTORNEYS MICHAEL BEHN AND BRUCE HOWARD WOULD END 262 00:13:15,725 --> 00:13:21,076 UP REPRESENTING REX IN HIS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST NORTHROP. 263 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:24,596 >> BUT WHAT REX SAW AND WHAT HE TOLD US WAS THEM FAKING 264 00:13:24,631 --> 00:13:28,255 TESTS. 265 00:13:28,290 --> 00:13:32,777 LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AIR FORCE WOULD COME IN-- 266 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,779 >> AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD THE DUMMY TEST EQUIPMENT THAT 267 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:38,472 PRETENDED TO SHOW THAT IT WORKED. 268 00:13:38,507 --> 00:13:40,750 >> AND WHAT REX SAID WAS THEY-- THEY'D HOOK IT UP SO THAT THE 269 00:13:40,785 --> 00:13:42,891 LIGHTS BLINK. 270 00:13:42,925 --> 00:13:45,894 AND THE-- THE NEEDLES READ WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO READ. 271 00:13:45,928 --> 00:13:48,206 BUT, BASICALLY, ALL THE MACHINE DID WAS TURN ON LIGHTS AND MOVE 272 00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:50,795 NEEDLES! 273 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:55,627 >> AFTER THE AIR FORCE HAD LEFT THE REVIEW, THE HEAD DEVELOPER 274 00:13:55,662 --> 00:13:59,217 FOR NORTHROP SAID, "WE LIED OUR TEETH OFF, NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE 275 00:13:59,252 --> 00:14:02,358 THOSE LIES COME TRUE." 276 00:14:02,393 --> 00:14:04,740 AT THAT STAGE, THE GOVERNMENT GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO 277 00:14:04,774 --> 00:14:10,228 FURTHER WITH THE PROJECT AND PUMPED MORE THAN $250 MILLION 278 00:14:10,263 --> 00:14:14,336 TOWARDS THIS PRODUCT THAT-- DID NOT WORK. 279 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:15,130 >> TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 280 00:14:15,164 --> 00:14:17,235 >> TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 281 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:19,617 >> Reporter: WHEN NORTHROP LEARNED REX HAD GONE TO THE 282 00:14:19,651 --> 00:14:21,791 F.B.I., THE COMPANY BEGAN TO GIVE HIM BAD REVIEWS AND 283 00:14:21,826 --> 00:14:27,314 EVENTUALLY FIRED HIM. 284 00:14:27,349 --> 00:14:29,385 THAT'S WHEN REX FOUND HIS WAY TO THE ATTORNEYS AND OFFICIALLY 285 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,284 BECAME A WHISTLEBLOWER. 286 00:14:31,318 --> 00:14:38,394 JIM, STILL WORKING AT NORTHROP, DECIDED TO JOIN FORCES WITH REX 287 00:14:38,429 --> 00:14:42,882 TO BUILD A STRONGER CASE AGAINST THE COMPANY, USING BOTH OF THEIR 288 00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:45,470 ALLEGATIONS. 289 00:14:45,505 --> 00:14:47,162 >> THESE KIND OF LOOK FAMILIAR TO ME, DON'T THEY? 290 00:14:47,196 --> 00:14:48,508 >> YEAH, DON'T THEY, YEAH-- >> YEAH-- 291 00:14:48,542 --> 00:14:50,199 >> THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAD TAPED TO MY-- STOMACH AND 292 00:14:50,234 --> 00:14:53,271 BROUGHT THEM OUT, I HAD THEM STUFFED IN THERE-- 293 00:14:53,306 --> 00:14:54,997 >> I REMEMBER THAT, I REMEMBER THAT-- 294 00:14:55,032 --> 00:14:59,139 >> AND BROUGHT THEM OUT TO YOU. 295 00:14:59,174 --> 00:15:00,244 >> AND I WAS SHOCKED-- I REMEMBER WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS 296 00:15:00,278 --> 00:15:01,072 OUT, IT WAS INCREDIBLE. 297 00:15:01,107 --> 00:15:01,624 IT WAS LIKE A TREASURE TROVE FOR ME. 298 00:15:01,659 --> 00:15:02,798 >> YEAH. 299 00:15:02,832 --> 00:15:04,800 >> 'CAUSE THESE KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO DIFFICULT, 300 00:15:04,834 --> 00:15:06,733 AND YOU BROUGHT THESE TO ME AND I REMEMBER WE WERE GOING OVER 301 00:15:06,767 --> 00:15:08,079 LOOKING AT THE SCRAP RATES. 302 00:15:08,114 --> 00:15:10,185 >> YEAH, I WAS-- IT'S JUST LIKE THERE'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. 303 00:15:10,219 --> 00:15:13,291 THEY HAD ONLY BOUGHT 817, BUT THEY SCRAPPED 1,453. 304 00:15:13,326 --> 00:15:19,021 SO IT WAS LIKE AN OVERCHARGE OF $119,000 JUST ON THIS ONE PART. 305 00:15:19,056 --> 00:15:20,920 >> JUST THIS ONE, YEAH. 306 00:15:20,954 --> 00:15:22,300 AND THE THING IS: HOW CAN YOU SCRAP ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT 307 00:15:22,335 --> 00:15:24,544 THAT YOU PURCHASED? 308 00:15:24,578 --> 00:15:29,514 >> Reporter: FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF, JIM CONTINUED TO 309 00:15:29,549 --> 00:15:32,966 PASS ALONG TO AGENT ZOTT EVIDENCE THAT NORTHROP WAS 310 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:34,795 SYSTEMATICALLY BILKING THE GOVERNMENT OF MILLIONS OF 311 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:37,522 DOLLARS. 312 00:15:37,557 --> 00:15:41,112 JIM WAS DOING THIS AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK. 313 00:15:41,147 --> 00:15:43,459 >> I THINK A COUPLE TIMES WHEN YOU WERE COMING OUT, THEY 314 00:15:43,494 --> 00:15:44,702 SEARCHED YOU. 315 00:15:44,736 --> 00:15:47,015 >> RIGHT. 316 00:15:47,049 --> 00:15:50,259 RIGHT, THEY TOOK MY SHIRT OFF ONE TIME, AND THE DAY BEFORE, I 317 00:15:50,294 --> 00:15:53,987 HAD BROUGHT DOCUMENTS OUT, BUT THAT DAY, I WASN'T BRINGING 318 00:15:54,022 --> 00:15:54,850 DOCUMENTS OUT. 319 00:15:54,884 --> 00:15:57,991 >> THANK GOODNESS. 320 00:15:58,026 --> 00:15:59,130 >> I CHANGED THE WAY THAT I WAS BRINGING THE DOCUMENTS OUT 321 00:15:59,165 --> 00:16:00,373 FROM THEN ON. 322 00:16:00,407 --> 00:16:00,683 I DIDN'T HAVE THEM UNDER MY SHIRT ANYMORE, I PUT THEM IN MY 323 00:16:00,718 --> 00:16:02,651 SOCK. 324 00:16:02,685 --> 00:16:05,136 >> Reporter: JIM NORMALLY GAVE DOCUMENTS DIRECTLY TO ZOTT. 325 00:16:05,171 --> 00:16:08,312 IT WAS RARE HE BROUGHT THEM HOME, BUT ONE NIGHT BEFORE HE 326 00:16:08,346 --> 00:16:10,624 WAS TO MEET WITH THE F.B.I., HE'D LEFT A STACK OF DOCUMENTS 327 00:16:10,659 --> 00:16:13,938 IN A PILE, ON HIS LIVING ROOM TABLE. 328 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:18,322 >> AND SO I HAD THEM SITTING IN MY LIVING ROOM, RIGHT NEXT 329 00:16:18,356 --> 00:16:19,564 TO MY TELEVISION. 330 00:16:19,599 --> 00:16:21,463 AND THEN THERE'S A NIGHT LIGHT THERE, A LIGHT THAT'S OFF, I 331 00:16:21,497 --> 00:16:24,017 HAD THEM SITTING THERE. 332 00:16:24,052 --> 00:16:25,708 SO IT WAS ABOUT 4:30 IN THE MORNING. 333 00:16:25,743 --> 00:16:27,987 AND FOR SOME REASON I WOKE UP, I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD A NOISE OR 334 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:29,643 WHATEVER. 335 00:16:29,678 --> 00:16:31,749 AND I CAME OUT INTO THE LIVING ROOM AND THE LIGHT WAS ON. 336 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:34,303 "WHAT IS THIS?" THE DOCUMENTS ARE TURNED UPSIDE 337 00:16:34,338 --> 00:16:36,547 DOWN, THE LIGHTS ARE ON, THE DOOR'S OPEN. 338 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:38,307 AND-- AND IT JUST-- SOMEBODY WAS IN MY HOUSE! 339 00:16:38,342 --> 00:16:41,862 I WAS SO SCARED. 340 00:16:41,897 --> 00:16:45,970 ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS, AGAIN, WHERE I'M THINKING, "WHAT HAVE I 341 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:51,182 DONE TO MY FAMILY TO PUT THEM AT RISK LIKE THIS?" 342 00:16:51,217 --> 00:16:52,735 SO, I CALLED RICHARD. 343 00:16:52,770 --> 00:16:54,565 I GO, "SOMEBODY WAS IN MY HOUSE." 344 00:16:54,599 --> 00:16:56,222 AND HE GOES, "THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL. 345 00:16:56,256 --> 00:16:57,878 HE WAS THERE TO TAKE COPIES OF WHAT YOU WERE BRINGING TO THE 346 00:16:57,913 --> 00:17:00,157 F.B.I." 347 00:17:00,191 --> 00:17:03,022 >> Reporter: SO HE MUST HAVE HEARD YOU COMING? 348 00:17:03,056 --> 00:17:04,161 >> HE SAYS, "HE HEARD YOU GET UP AND HE GOT OUT OF THERE." 349 00:17:04,195 --> 00:17:05,127 >> Reporter: AND WHEN DID THE BURGLARY OCCUR? 350 00:17:05,162 --> 00:17:05,990 >> THE NIGHT I GOT THEM. 351 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:07,957 THIS-- >> Reporter: SO SOMEBODY EITHER 352 00:17:07,992 --> 00:17:10,201 TAPPED YOUR PHONE-- >> THE PHONE WAS-- 353 00:17:10,236 --> 00:17:12,721 >> Reporter: --OR HAD ACCESS TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO KNEW THAT YOU 354 00:17:12,755 --> 00:17:15,103 WERE GOING TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT DAY? 355 00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:16,932 >> YES. 356 00:17:16,966 --> 00:17:19,176 >> Reporter: IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION AGENT ZOTT 357 00:17:19,210 --> 00:17:21,592 ALERTED JIM THAT HE HAD FOUND WIRE TAPS ON REX ROBINSON'S 358 00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:24,526 PHONES. 359 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,460 JIM WAS RISKING A LOT TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION. 360 00:17:27,494 --> 00:17:30,394 >> I THINK JIM WAS RISKING MORE THAN MANY PEOPLE I'VE EVER 361 00:17:30,428 --> 00:17:32,085 WORKED WITH YEAH. 362 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,295 I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS SAFETY. 363 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:38,160 ONCE HIS COVER WAS BLOWN, THEN I WAS EVEN MORE CONCERNED. 364 00:17:38,195 --> 00:17:41,163 >> Reporter: AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DID HAPPEN WHEN AN 365 00:17:41,198 --> 00:17:43,890 ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY, WORKING WITH ZOTT, MADE THE 366 00:17:43,924 --> 00:17:48,308 MISTAKE OF CALLING JIM DIRECTLY ON HIS WORK PHONE. 367 00:17:48,343 --> 00:17:51,553 >> THE U.S. ATTORNEY FROM THE DIRKSEN FEDERAL BUILDING CALLS 368 00:17:51,587 --> 00:17:55,453 ME AT MY PHONE, AT MY DESK, INSIDE ONE OF THE MOST SECURE 369 00:17:55,488 --> 00:17:58,698 FACILITIES ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET. 370 00:17:58,732 --> 00:18:00,320 >> Reporter: YOUR PHONE THAT'S BEING MONITORED BY NORTHROP? 371 00:18:00,355 --> 00:18:01,701 >> UH-HUH. 372 00:18:01,735 --> 00:18:02,564 HE GOES, "HEY JIM, IT'S THE U.S. 373 00:18:02,598 --> 00:18:03,668 ATTORNEY. 374 00:18:03,703 --> 00:18:05,256 I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT WIRE I ASKED YOU TO WEAR. 375 00:18:05,291 --> 00:18:07,741 YOU UP FOR THAT?" AND I GO-- 376 00:18:07,776 --> 00:18:09,502 "WHO IS THIS? 377 00:18:09,536 --> 00:18:11,814 I THINK YOU HAVE THE WRONG NUMBER!" 378 00:18:11,849 --> 00:18:14,610 AND I HANG UP AND I'M GOING, "NO, NO..." 379 00:18:14,645 --> 00:18:17,958 >> Reporter: AT THAT POINT, YOU REALIZE? 380 00:18:17,993 --> 00:18:19,788 >> I'M DONE. 381 00:18:19,822 --> 00:18:22,411 >> Reporter: NORTHROP COULD NOT FIRE JIM OUTRIGHT, BUT THE 382 00:18:22,446 --> 00:18:26,691 COMPANY COULD MAKE HIS LIFE MISERABLE. 383 00:18:26,726 --> 00:18:33,008 AND NOW, HE BEGAN BRINGING HIS PROBLEMS HOME. 384 00:18:33,042 --> 00:18:34,527 >> HE WOULD COME HOME AND TELL ME HOW HE WAS BEING TREATED, 385 00:18:34,561 --> 00:18:36,943 EVEN BY HIS WORKMATES GETTING UP AND WALKING AWAY FROM THE LUNCH 386 00:18:36,977 --> 00:18:38,738 TABLE-- IT SEEMED SO UNFAIR. 387 00:18:38,772 --> 00:18:41,120 >> PEOPLE THAT I HAD EATEN LUNCH WITH FOR FIVE YEARS, AND NONE OF 388 00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:44,364 THEM SAID A WORD. 389 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:49,058 THEY JUST ALL PICKED UP THEIR TRAYS AND WENT TO ANOTHER TABLE 390 00:18:49,093 --> 00:18:52,993 AND LEFT ME SITTING THERE. 391 00:18:53,028 --> 00:18:54,098 >> I FELT LIKE ALL ALONG HE WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING. 392 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:54,995 AND WHY WERE THEY TREATING HIM SO BADLY? 393 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,549 WHY WEREN'T THEY WORKING WITH HIM? 394 00:18:56,583 --> 00:18:58,206 WHY WEREN'T THEY CORRECTING THE PROBLEM? 395 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,069 >> PEOPLE'D SEE ME COMING' DOWN THE HALL AND THEY'D TURN AROUND 396 00:19:00,104 --> 00:19:01,312 AND GO THE OTHER WAY. 397 00:19:01,347 --> 00:19:02,520 I WAS A PARIAH. 398 00:19:02,555 --> 00:19:05,799 >> Reporter: AND HE HAD REASON TO FEAR IT COULD GET WORSE. 399 00:19:05,834 --> 00:19:08,388 >> I HAD A FEDERAL AGENT TELL ME ONE OF HIS WHISTLEBLOWERS 400 00:19:08,423 --> 00:19:09,838 HAD JUST BEEN MURDERED. 401 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:21,160 >> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER. 402 00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:23,162 THIS IS "WHISTLEBLOWER." 403 00:19:27,407 --> 00:19:30,928 >> YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE CHOICE IN AMONGST 404 00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:36,244 A BATCH OF BAD ONES, BUT THERE ARE REPERCUSSIONS TO THAT. 405 00:19:36,278 --> 00:19:38,591 >> Reporter: JIM'S WHISTLEBLOWER CASE AGAINST NORTHROP WAS STILL 406 00:19:38,625 --> 00:19:42,457 UNDERWAY, BUT A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER HE FIRST NOTICED PROBLEMS 407 00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:45,598 AT THE COMPANY, HE'D FINALLY BEEN FORCED TO LEAVE. 408 00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:48,152 AND HOW DID IT FINALLY END, YOUR EMPLOYMENT WITH NORTHROP? 409 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,293 >> THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS BEING HELD UP AT THE LAWYERS' 410 00:19:51,328 --> 00:19:52,432 OFFICE. 411 00:19:52,467 --> 00:19:54,917 THEIR LAWYERS WANTED TO WANTED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE 412 00:19:54,952 --> 00:19:56,919 INVESTIGATION. 413 00:19:56,954 --> 00:19:59,577 THEY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, "WHAT DOES THIS CASE INVOLVE?" 414 00:19:59,612 --> 00:20:06,135 I SAYS, "EVERYTHING I'VE ALREADY DIVULGED INTERNALLY." 415 00:20:06,170 --> 00:20:08,552 >> Reporter: THE COMPANY KNEW HE WAS PART OF A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT 416 00:20:08,586 --> 00:20:13,315 INVESTIGATION ALLEGING MASSIVE FRAUD. 417 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:16,836 >> THEIR CORPORATE ATTORNEY SAYS, "WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE 418 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:18,596 ARE LAWS IN PLACE THAT WE CAN'T RETALIATE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE 419 00:20:18,631 --> 00:20:22,462 YOU'RE A WHISTLEBLOWER," HE SAYS, "BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND 420 00:20:22,497 --> 00:20:23,946 OUR POSITION. 421 00:20:23,981 --> 00:20:26,949 WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE WOLF LOOSE AMONGST THE SHEEP." 422 00:20:26,984 --> 00:20:28,088 >> Reporter: [LAUGHS] YOU'RE THE WOLF AND THEY'RE THE 423 00:20:28,123 --> 00:20:29,952 SHEEP? 424 00:20:29,987 --> 00:20:31,920 >> RIGHT. 425 00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:33,301 THAT'S WHAT I WAS-- I WAS-- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS 426 00:20:33,335 --> 00:20:34,923 THINKING. 427 00:20:34,957 --> 00:20:35,648 I GO, "WHAT? 428 00:20:35,682 --> 00:20:38,167 I'M THE WOLF? 429 00:20:38,202 --> 00:20:41,999 OKAY..." 430 00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:45,209 >> Reporter: BUT THE STRESS OF BLOWING THE WHISTLE HAD BECOME 431 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:46,417 TOO MUCH FOR JIM. 432 00:20:46,452 --> 00:20:49,627 >> I LEFT THAT MEETING AND I WAS HAVING CHEST PAINS SO BAD, I 433 00:20:49,662 --> 00:20:51,871 THOUGHT I WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK. 434 00:20:51,905 --> 00:20:53,942 >> Reporter: TURNED OUT IT WASN'T? 435 00:20:53,976 --> 00:20:55,875 >> IT WASN'T. 436 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:59,775 I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DID ALL SORTS OF TESTS. 437 00:20:59,810 --> 00:21:02,088 MY DOCTOR CAME IN AND SHE PUT ME ON A SHORT-TERM MEDICAL LEAVE 438 00:21:02,122 --> 00:21:04,090 FOR SITUATIONAL ANXIETY. 439 00:21:04,124 --> 00:21:05,229 >> Reporter: AND YOU NEVER WENT BACK? 440 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,300 >> I NEVER WENT BACK. 441 00:21:07,335 --> 00:21:12,926 I HAD BEEN BLACKBALLED IN THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY. 442 00:21:12,961 --> 00:21:16,551 AND I WOULD NEVER WORK IN THAT FIELD AGAIN. 443 00:21:16,585 --> 00:21:19,105 THAT WAS RATHER DISHEARTENING, BECAUSE THE TYPE OF WORK I WAS 444 00:21:19,139 --> 00:21:21,107 DOING WAS WHAT I WANTED TO DO MY WHOLE LIFE, EVER SINCE I WAS A 445 00:21:21,141 --> 00:21:24,248 CHILD. 446 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:31,462 I GOT A JOB MANAGING A GAS STATION IN McHENRY. 447 00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:36,502 AND THEN I GOT A JOB DRIVING A BUS, PICKING UP THE ELDERLY AND 448 00:21:36,536 --> 00:21:40,368 DISABLED, AND I DID THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE I STARTED 449 00:21:40,402 --> 00:21:45,580 WORKING FULL-TIME FOR "THE TRIBUNE" AS A INDEPENDENT AGENT. 450 00:21:45,614 --> 00:21:49,411 IT FIRST STARTED WITH STUFFING PAPERS AND THEN DELIVERING 451 00:21:49,446 --> 00:21:53,208 NEWSPAPERS TO THE STORES ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. 452 00:21:53,242 --> 00:21:57,281 THAT WAS A SEVEN-DAY-A-WEEK JOB, 365 DAYS A YEAR AND YOU'D WORK 453 00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:01,561 FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL NOON THE NEXT DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND 454 00:22:01,596 --> 00:22:05,358 I WORKED FIVE YEARS WITHOUT A DAY OFF. 455 00:22:05,393 --> 00:22:08,465 >> Reporter: IT QUICKLY BECAME CLEAR: HERE'S WHERE THE IMPACT 456 00:22:08,499 --> 00:22:12,469 OF BLOWING THE WHISTLE-- AND THE YEARS OF BUILDING A CASE-- FELL 457 00:22:12,503 --> 00:22:17,612 EQUALLY ON JIM'S WHOLE FAMILY. 458 00:22:17,646 --> 00:22:20,200 >> THIS SCHOOL HERE ON MY LEFT WE'RE PASSING-- THIS IS WHERE 459 00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:22,306 ALL MY CHILDREN WENT TO SCHOOL, FROM KINDERGARTEN TO EIGHTH 460 00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:24,412 GRADE. 461 00:22:24,446 --> 00:22:26,552 BECAUSE WE LIVED HERE, OFF AND ON, IN WONDER LAKE. 462 00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:28,657 >> WE WERE RENTING A HOUSE. 463 00:22:28,692 --> 00:22:31,419 THE KIDS REALLY LIKED IT THERE. 464 00:22:31,453 --> 00:22:35,457 THEY WERE IN A PRETTY GOOD SCHOOL, AND-- WE WERE LIVING A 465 00:22:35,492 --> 00:22:38,357 PRETTY GOOD LIFE. 466 00:22:38,391 --> 00:22:41,014 >> THIS IS ALSO THE HOUSE THAT WE WERE LIVING AT WHEN IT WAS 467 00:22:41,049 --> 00:22:45,398 BROKEN INTO. 468 00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:47,504 AND THAT FRONT DOOR WAS OPEN, AND THEY HAD A COAT 469 00:22:47,538 --> 00:22:49,782 HANGER HOLDING IT OPEN. 470 00:22:49,816 --> 00:22:52,612 AND WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT TO RICHARD, HE SAYS, "WELL, THAT'S 471 00:22:52,647 --> 00:22:55,097 WHAT A PROFESSIONAL WOULD DO." 472 00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:57,203 >> THAT RAISED SERIOUS CONCERNS TO ME. 473 00:22:57,237 --> 00:23:00,689 IT-- 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A BURGLARY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 474 00:23:00,724 --> 00:23:03,174 GOING SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE DOCUMENTS. 475 00:23:03,209 --> 00:23:06,488 AND THE FACT THAT THE DOOR WAS LEFT OPEN TELLS ME THAT THEY 476 00:23:06,523 --> 00:23:08,904 ARE-- THEY-- THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IS HIGHER THAN AN 477 00:23:08,939 --> 00:23:10,837 AVERAGE BURGLAR. 478 00:23:10,872 --> 00:23:14,116 >> Reporter: AGENT ZOTT SAYS HE MENTIONED THE INCIDENT TO THE 479 00:23:14,151 --> 00:23:22,366 ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY WORKING THE CASE, BUT HE CONSIDERED IT A 480 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:23,505 MATTER FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 481 00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:24,851 >> I TALKED TO MY SUPERVISORS ABOUT WITNESS PROTECTION 482 00:23:24,886 --> 00:23:26,128 PROGRAM. 483 00:23:26,163 --> 00:23:27,647 AND I REMEMBER I BROUGHT IT UP WITH JIM AND HE WAS NOT ENTHUSED 484 00:23:27,682 --> 00:23:29,787 WITH THE IDEA OF LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF IOWA SOMEWHERE, YOU 485 00:23:29,822 --> 00:23:31,168 KNOW, UNDER AN ASSUMED IDENTITY. 486 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:34,551 >> WE STARTED LIVING IN FEAR AND SHAME TOO. 487 00:23:34,585 --> 00:23:39,625 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE HE LOST HIS JOB, YOU KNOW, WE WERE POOR. 488 00:23:39,659 --> 00:23:44,630 WHEN THINGS STARTED-- I THINK ADAM WAS ONLY TWO OR THREE YEARS 489 00:23:44,664 --> 00:23:46,666 OLD. 490 00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:50,152 AND THEN MY OLDEST DAUGHTER, SHE WAS IN, JUST FINISHING UP JUNIOR 491 00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:51,602 HIGH. 492 00:23:51,637 --> 00:23:54,640 SO IT KIND OF TOOK UP THEIR WHOLE LIFE, THEIR WHOLE 493 00:23:54,674 --> 00:23:56,676 CHILDHOOD REALLY. 494 00:23:56,711 --> 00:24:01,612 >> Reporter: YOU ABLE TO SAVE THE HOUSE? 495 00:24:01,647 --> 00:24:02,061 >> NO. 496 00:24:02,095 --> 00:24:03,338 NO. 497 00:24:03,372 --> 00:24:04,857 WE WERE RENTING AT THE TIME BUT WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE. 498 00:24:04,891 --> 00:24:06,134 AND SO WE HAD TO MOVE. 499 00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:07,653 BUT WE HAD NOWHERE TO MOVE. 500 00:24:07,687 --> 00:24:09,586 >> Reporter: SO WHERE DO YOU END UP? 501 00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:10,897 >> HOMELESS SHELTER. 502 00:24:10,932 --> 00:24:13,175 SO, THIS IS THE HOMELESS SHELTER WHERE WE WERE LIVING AT AFTER WE 503 00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:14,729 LEFT THE HOUSE IN WONDER LAKE. 504 00:24:14,763 --> 00:24:19,216 AND WE STAYED RIGHT ACROSS FROM US, RIGHT HERE, IS WHERE THE 505 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:22,909 FIRST APARTMENT WHERE WE WERE AT. 506 00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:24,739 WELL WE WERE HERE FOR TWO MONTHS UNTIL WE COULD FIND A PLACE FOR 507 00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:28,881 US TO MOVE INTO. 508 00:24:28,915 --> 00:24:32,954 >> THE THING THAT I ALWAYS REMEMBER THE MOST IS GRADUATING 509 00:24:32,988 --> 00:24:37,959 EIGHTH GRADE AND THEN HAVING TO GO TO THE HOMELESS SHELTER RIGHT 510 00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:42,515 AFTERWARDS, AND THEN EVERYBODY FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD 511 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:44,068 COCKROACHES THERE, TOO, SO EVERYBODY STAYED AWAY FROM 512 00:24:44,103 --> 00:24:45,276 US. 513 00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:46,864 >> Reporter: FOR YEARS, JIM WORKED WITH HIS ATTORNEYS AND 514 00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:48,797 AGENT ZOTT TO BUILD THE CASE, THEY NEEDED TO PERSUADE THE 515 00:24:48,832 --> 00:24:52,629 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO GO AFTER NORTHROP. 516 00:24:52,663 --> 00:24:54,872 >> I'D GO DOWNTOWN TO THE LAWYER'S OFFICE TO GO THROUGH 517 00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:56,080 DOCUMENTS. 518 00:24:56,115 --> 00:24:59,394 THEY START FLOODING US WITH THIS PAPER SNOWSTORM. 519 00:24:59,428 --> 00:25:01,085 YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF THE ADAGE OF A "NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK?" 520 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,432 IT WAS, LIKE, THEY SENT US THE HAYSTACK AND KEPT ALL THE 521 00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:09,473 NEEDLES. 522 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:11,544 >> Reporter: FOR ITS OWN REASONS, THE GOVERNMENT HAD 523 00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:13,822 DECIDED AGAINST TAKING ON THE CASE. 524 00:25:13,857 --> 00:25:18,171 ADMITTEDLY, IT WAS COMPLEX, AND AS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF MAJOR 525 00:25:18,206 --> 00:25:21,036 DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, NORTHROP NOT ONLY HAD DEEP POCKETS, BUT 526 00:25:21,071 --> 00:25:23,763 TREMENDOUS POLITICAL CLOUT. 527 00:25:23,798 --> 00:25:26,559 >> IT REALLY SUCKS TO BE INVOLVED IN LITIGATION IN 528 00:25:26,594 --> 00:25:29,113 GENERAL, AND TO BE IN LITIGATION AGAINST A HUGE CORPORATION CAN 529 00:25:29,148 --> 00:25:37,536 BE VERY DIFFICULT, VERY TIRING, VERY STRESSFUL. 530 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,436 >> IT WAS HARD GROWING UP KNOWING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 531 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:44,439 SAME THINGS OTHER KIDS DID. 532 00:25:44,473 --> 00:25:47,994 AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE AWESOME CLOTHES THAT 533 00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:50,756 EVERYBODY COMES BACK TO SCHOOL WITH, LIKE... WE WOULD GO TO 534 00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:54,898 THE-- YOU KNOW, THE RESALE SHOP OR TO KMART. 535 00:25:54,932 --> 00:25:57,659 AND WE'RE LIKE, "YEAH, WE GET TO HAVE OUR ONE SHIRT AND OUR ONE 536 00:25:57,694 --> 00:26:00,248 PAIR OF JEANS FOR SCHOOL THIS YEAR." 537 00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:01,249 LIKE, AND WE WERE SO HAPPY. 538 00:26:01,283 --> 00:26:07,807 IT WAS LIKE A BLESSING TO HAVE THAT. 539 00:26:07,842 --> 00:26:10,499 >> Reporter: THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE ENTIRE FAMILY HAS 540 00:26:10,534 --> 00:26:13,986 TALKED TOGETHER ABOUT WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH. 541 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:17,472 >> IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS ABOUT WHAT 542 00:26:17,506 --> 00:26:20,820 A WHISTLEBLOWER GOES THROUGH. 543 00:26:20,855 --> 00:26:23,167 IT'S NOT SOMETHING-- HE TRAVELS THIS ROAD ALONE. 544 00:26:23,202 --> 00:26:26,067 IT'S MY-- THE ENTIRE FAMILY GOES THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND IT 545 00:26:26,101 --> 00:26:29,173 ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THAT QUESTION-- WOULD I DO IT AGAIN? 546 00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:30,865 THE COST IS SO MUCH. 547 00:26:30,899 --> 00:26:42,946 HOW DO I GIVE YOU BACK YOUR CHILDHOOD? 548 00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:44,499 >> I FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING ALL ALONG. 549 00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:47,467 BUT-- AND I FEARED FOR HIM VERY MUCH. 550 00:26:47,502 --> 00:26:49,780 I WAS VERY AFRAID. 551 00:26:49,815 --> 00:26:52,265 >> Reporter: MARY'S FEARS WOULD BECOME ALL TOO REAL WHEN SOMEONE 552 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,164 TAMPERED WITH HER FAMILY'S CARS. 553 00:26:54,198 --> 00:27:01,205 >> I WORKED IN THIS HIGH-TECH ENVIRONMENT. 554 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,415 THIS IS A TIME WHEN THE MOVIE "SILKWOOD" WAS COMING OUT. 555 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:05,485 WHAT HAPPENS TO WHISTLEBLOWERS? 556 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,593 THEY WIND UP IN A TRUNK. 557 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,837 IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO ME, IT WOULD BE MADE TO LOOK 558 00:27:11,871 --> 00:27:14,667 LIKE AN ACCIDENT. 559 00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:31,408 >> NORTHROP-- THEIR STRATEGY WAS A SCORCHED EARTH LITIGATION. 560 00:27:31,442 --> 00:27:35,826 THEY TRIED TO DRAG THINGS OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 561 00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:37,656 >> Reporter: KNOWING THE WHISTLEBLOWERS DID NOT HAVE THE 562 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:41,556 BACKING OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE DEFENSE CONTRACTOR DRAGGED OUT 563 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:45,353 THE LITIGATION AND THE WHISTLEBLOWER LAWYERS WERE 564 00:27:45,387 --> 00:27:47,182 FOOTING THE BILL. 565 00:27:47,217 --> 00:27:50,703 >> AND THEY WOULD TRY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS TO INFLUENCE THE 566 00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:54,707 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WITH WHOM THEY DEALT WITH ALL THE TIME. 567 00:27:54,742 --> 00:27:58,331 AND THEY WOULD CONTEST EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT THAT WE WANTED 568 00:27:58,366 --> 00:28:01,058 TO GET. 569 00:28:01,093 --> 00:28:04,924 >> Reporter: BUT FINALLY, 13 YEARS AFTER JIM'S DECISION TO 570 00:28:04,959 --> 00:28:09,032 BLOW THE WHISTLE, TEN YEARS AFTER THE GOVERNMENT DECLINED TO 571 00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:12,380 INTERVENE, JIM AND REX AND THEIR LAWYERS FINALLY HAD ENOUGH DIRT 572 00:28:12,414 --> 00:28:17,074 TO GET THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE ON NORTHROP. 573 00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:20,250 >> IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THEFIRST CASE WHERE AFTER 574 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:24,530 THE GOVERNMENT, INITIALLY, DECLINED TO GET INVOLVED, YEARS 575 00:28:24,564 --> 00:28:27,464 LATER, AFTER WE MARSHALED SOME EVIDENCE TO CONVINCE THEM IT WAS 576 00:28:27,498 --> 00:28:34,436 A WORTHY CASE, THEY DECIDED TO INTERVENE WITH US. 577 00:28:34,471 --> 00:28:36,300 >> Reporter: ULTIMATELY, YOU DID FIND SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WERE 578 00:28:36,335 --> 00:28:36,818 PRETTY MUCH A SMOKING GUN. 579 00:28:36,853 --> 00:28:38,268 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 580 00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:41,409 WE DID HAVE DOCUMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY WERE 581 00:28:41,443 --> 00:28:46,897 TRAINING THEIR OWN PEOPLE, "WE CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH." 582 00:28:46,932 --> 00:28:48,623 >> "WHAT WILL THE CUSTOMER ACCEPT AS REASONS WE CAN'T TELL 583 00:28:48,657 --> 00:28:52,040 THE TRUTH?" WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE 584 00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:54,905 THAT, THAT TO ME IS PRIMA FASCIA EVIDENCE OF FRAUD, 585 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:58,667 DECEPTION. 586 00:28:58,702 --> 00:29:01,705 >> Reporter: SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THEY WERE TRAINING THEIR 587 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,433 PEOPLE TO FIND CREATIVE WAYS NOT TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE 588 00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:10,058 GOVERNMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON UNDER THE CONTRACT? 589 00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:11,542 >> THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE FOUND EVIDENCED THAT PRETTY CLEARLY. 590 00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:12,958 >> WHAT FRAUD IS: FRAUD IS-- IT'S A BIG TERM SIMPLY FOR THEFT 591 00:29:12,992 --> 00:29:16,271 BY DECEPTION. 592 00:29:16,306 --> 00:29:19,861 >> Reporter: AND WHEN RETIRED AIR FORCE COLONEL ROGER MOSELEY 593 00:29:19,896 --> 00:29:23,623 TOOK A LOOK AT THEIR EVIDENCE-- >> THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. 594 00:29:23,658 --> 00:29:25,556 >> Reporter: HE WAS LIVID. 595 00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:31,908 >> THIS JUST MAKES YOU FURIOUS THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS TO US. 596 00:29:31,942 --> 00:29:34,151 >> COLONEL MOSELEY WAS ONE OF OUR EXPERTS IN THE NORTHROP 597 00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:38,362 CASE, AND SPECIFICALLY ON THE STEALTH SIDE. 598 00:29:38,397 --> 00:29:43,367 >> I WAS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE B-2. 599 00:29:43,402 --> 00:29:47,095 IT WAS A TERRIFIC JOB, I HAD IT FOR THREE YEARS AND I THOROUGHLY 600 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:48,856 ENJOYED IT. 601 00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:50,167 AND IN THE END, WE BUILT AN AIRPLANE. 602 00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:51,444 AND HERE IT IS. 603 00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:56,070 THE B-2 BOMBER, THE FIRST STEALTH BOMBER. 604 00:29:56,104 --> 00:29:58,382 A VERY IMPRESSIVE AIRPLANE, FLIES A LONG WAY, CARRIES A 605 00:29:58,417 --> 00:30:02,973 LOT-- IS ALMOST INVISIBLE TO RADAR. 606 00:30:03,008 --> 00:30:06,597 >> COLONEL MOSELEY SAID HAD HE KNOWN OF WHAT NORTHROP WAS 607 00:30:06,632 --> 00:30:10,739 DOING, THEIR FRAUD IN OUR CASE, AT THE TIME HE WAS IN CHARGE OF 608 00:30:10,774 --> 00:30:15,675 THE STEALTH PROGRAM, HE WOULD HAVE CUT NORTHROP OFF. 609 00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:19,093 >> IF I HAD KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME, I 610 00:30:19,127 --> 00:30:21,716 GUARANTEE YOU I WOULD'VE BEEN IN ILLINOIS WITH A PACK OF LAWYERS, 611 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,788 AND WE WOULD'VE GONE OVER THIS. 612 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,755 THIS PART: "OVERCHARGE FOR PARTS." 613 00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:30,932 IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY HARD FOR THEM TO-- ONCE I KNEW THAT 614 00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:33,624 SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, FOR THEM TO FAKE ME OUT. 615 00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:39,147 BUT WHEN YOU FIND A SLIDE THAT SAYS, "WE CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH," 616 00:30:39,182 --> 00:30:41,978 YOU SORT OF BACK AWAY FROM BEING CONSIDERATE AND YOU REALLY WANT 617 00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:43,911 TO GO AFTER THEM. 618 00:30:43,945 --> 00:30:46,879 UNFORTUNATELY, AS I LOOKED MORE AND MORE INTO THE PAPERWORK, IT 619 00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:49,192 WASN'T A SIMPLE ERROR. 620 00:30:49,226 --> 00:30:51,263 IT WAS AN ERROR THAT WAS KNOWN TO THE MANAGEMENT AND THE 621 00:30:51,297 --> 00:30:54,680 MANAGEMENT WAS TELLING THEIR EMPLOYEES, "WE'LL TAKE CARE OF 622 00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:57,821 IT," AND THEY NEVER DID, AND THEY AVOIDED TAKING CARE OF IT 623 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,548 ON PURPOSE BECAUSE IT WAS INCREASING THEIR REVENUE AND 624 00:31:00,582 --> 00:31:04,138 THEIR PROFITS. 625 00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,865 WE GAVE THEM A COST-PLUS CONTRACT. 626 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:13,837 ALL THE MONEY YOU NEED TO DO THIS, WITHOUT RESTRICTION. 627 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:15,390 AND YET THEY STILL DO THIS KIND OF STUFF. 628 00:31:15,425 --> 00:31:17,392 UNBELIEVABLE. 629 00:31:17,427 --> 00:31:20,395 >> Reporter: AS JIM AND REX'S CASE AGAINST NORTHROP UNCOVERED 630 00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:24,089 INCREASINGLY DAMNING EVIDENCE OF FRAUD, IN JIM'S HOUSEHOLD, THE 631 00:31:24,123 --> 00:31:27,368 FAMILY REMEMBERS HOW, OVER THE YEARS, THE PARANOIA HAD STEADILY 632 00:31:27,402 --> 00:31:34,582 MOUNTED. 633 00:31:34,616 --> 00:31:38,206 >> I REMEMBER THE FAMILY PULLING TOGETHER DURING THE TIMES OF 634 00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:43,177 UNCOMFORTABLENESS, OR WHEN WE WERE SCARED, OR SLEEPING AT THE 635 00:31:43,211 --> 00:31:45,179 FOOT OF YOUR BED IN YOUR ROOM BECAUSE I WAS TOO SCARED TO 636 00:31:45,213 --> 00:31:47,146 SLEEP IN MY ROOM. 637 00:31:47,181 --> 00:31:51,012 >> I KNOW THAT MOM WAS-- WAS STRESSED ABOUT IT. 638 00:31:51,047 --> 00:31:53,912 AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF CARRIED DOWN THE LINE, AND 639 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:59,262 ME TRYING TO KEEP ALL OF US TOGETHER TOO. 640 00:31:59,296 --> 00:32:00,539 YOU KNOW? 641 00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:02,265 JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT CALM AND TRYING TO KEEP IT UPBEAT, AND 642 00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:04,992 NOT REALLY THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT IT. 643 00:32:05,026 --> 00:32:07,753 BUT I-- I DID. 644 00:32:07,787 --> 00:32:10,273 >> MOM WAS SAYING TO ME THE OTHER DAY AS IS THAT SHE SHOWED 645 00:32:10,307 --> 00:32:12,171 ME HER JOURNAL. 646 00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:15,899 SOMETHING I WAS UNAWARE THAT YOU HAD BEEN DOING, THAT SHE KEPT-- 647 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,797 SHE WROTE DOWN THOSE FEELINGS. 648 00:32:17,832 --> 00:32:25,529 >> I WROTE DOWN SOME THINGS THAT I COULD HARDLY BELIEVE WHEN I 649 00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:30,086 WENT BACK AND READ THEM AGAIN, HOW PARANOID I HAD GOTTEN. 650 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,709 MY FIRST ENTRY ACTUALLY WAS SOMETHING JIM HAD SAID TO ME. 651 00:32:32,743 --> 00:32:36,299 HE SAID, "IT'S NOT IF ANYMORE, IT'S WHEN." 652 00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:42,029 "DAD KNOWS THEY'RE GOING TO KILL HIM." 653 00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:44,376 WE NEED TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THIS. 654 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,241 THAT'S WHEN I SAID, "I SHOULD GET SOME INSURANCE," BECAUSE IT 655 00:32:47,275 --> 00:32:49,105 WAS REAL-- IT WAS A REAL THREAT. 656 00:32:49,139 --> 00:32:52,867 YEAH, BECAUSE I SAID, "WELL, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I GOT TO TAKE 657 00:32:52,901 --> 00:32:54,593 CARE OF THESE KIDS. 658 00:32:54,627 --> 00:32:59,011 WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?" BECAUSE I FIGURED IF YOU DID 659 00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:02,946 DIE, THEY WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT. 660 00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,568 >> WHEN I WOULD COME HOME FROM WORK, MY DAUGHTER WOULD PULL ALL 661 00:33:04,603 --> 00:33:06,812 THE BLINDS. 662 00:33:06,846 --> 00:33:08,641 AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER, 663 00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:11,817 THAT'S WHERE MY DAUGHTER USED TO PULL THE BLINDS. 664 00:33:11,851 --> 00:33:13,370 SHE SAYS, "SO YOU-- SOMEBODY WOULDN'T SHOOT YOU THROUGH THE 665 00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:14,647 WINDOW." 666 00:33:14,682 --> 00:33:16,201 >> Reporter: YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WAS PULLING THE BLINDS 667 00:33:16,235 --> 00:33:18,479 BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO TAKE A SHOT AT YOU 668 00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:19,411 THROUGH THE WINDOW? 669 00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:19,928 >> YES. 670 00:33:19,963 --> 00:33:20,999 YEAH. 671 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,035 >> Reporter: WHEN YOU LEARNED THIS-- 672 00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:25,037 >> IT BROKE MY HEART. 673 00:33:25,072 --> 00:33:27,453 IT BROKE MY HEART. 674 00:33:27,488 --> 00:33:32,010 AS A FATHER, YOU TRY TO KEEP YOUR FAMILY SAFE. 675 00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:36,842 YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE MONSTERS AT BAY, SO TO SAY. 676 00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:39,914 BUT FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GROW UP THAT WAY-- HEARTBREAKING. 677 00:33:39,948 --> 00:33:42,468 >> THAT FEELING OF HELPLESSNESS... 678 00:33:42,503 --> 00:33:44,160 >> Reporter: JIM WORRIED THAT HE COULDN'T PROTECT HIS FAMILY OR 679 00:33:44,194 --> 00:33:46,748 HIMSELF. 680 00:33:46,783 --> 00:33:48,509 AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY DID MAKE AN ATTEMPT ON YOUR LIFE? 681 00:33:48,543 --> 00:33:51,029 >> YES. 682 00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:53,100 I'M DELIVERING SOME PAPERS BUT I'M GOING SLOW. 683 00:33:53,134 --> 00:33:56,482 AND THE RIGHT, FRONT TIRE SHEARS OFF. 684 00:33:56,517 --> 00:33:59,140 THE FRONT END OF THE CAR GOES INTO THE-- THE SHOULDER LIKE 685 00:33:59,175 --> 00:34:03,144 THIS AND STOPS RATHER ABRUPTLY. 686 00:34:03,179 --> 00:34:04,283 FORTUNATELY, I WAS GOING SLOW, SO IT DIDN'T CAUSE ME ANY 687 00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:06,182 PHYSICAL DAMAGE. 688 00:34:06,216 --> 00:34:08,805 >> Reporter: WHAT CAUSED THE RIGHT WHEEL TO FALL OFF? 689 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:12,464 >> WELL, WHEN IT SHEARED, ONE OF THE BOLTS WAS LAYING THERE AND 690 00:34:12,498 --> 00:34:15,708 THE NUT WAS AT THE END OF THE STEM. 691 00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:19,160 AND THEN I STARTED GETTING A CREEPY FEELING. 692 00:34:19,195 --> 00:34:21,300 WHY WOULD THAT BE ALL THE WAY OUT AT THE END OF THE STEM? 693 00:34:21,335 --> 00:34:23,371 AND I ONLY FOUND THE ONE. 694 00:34:23,406 --> 00:34:25,546 AND SO I CALLED RICHARD ZOTT. 695 00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:28,169 AND HE GOES, "JIM," HE SAYS, "THAT'S A CLASSIC WAY THAT THEY 696 00:34:28,204 --> 00:34:30,930 MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT." 697 00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:34,520 >> AND IF IT'S ACCIDENTAL, IT WOULD PROBABLY ONLY HAPPEN ONCE. 698 00:34:34,555 --> 00:34:39,318 AND SO IT WASN'T ONLY ONE TIME, THIS HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES. 699 00:34:39,353 --> 00:34:40,630 >> YEAH, THREE TIMES. 700 00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:45,290 A FEW WEEKS AFTER IT HAPPENED TO ME, THEN IT HAPPENED TO MY SON. 701 00:34:45,324 --> 00:34:50,122 AND THEN MY DAUGHTER, A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THAT, IT HAPPENED TO 702 00:34:50,157 --> 00:34:52,642 HER WHEN THE TIRE SHEARED OFF OF HER CAR WHEN SHE WAS MAKING A 703 00:34:52,676 --> 00:34:59,649 TURN, IT JUST BROKE RIGHT OFF AND ALL THE LUG NUTS WERE GONE. 704 00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:03,308 >> Reporter: WHEN THE LUG NUTS WERE LOOSENED ON HIS CAR-- DO 705 00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:06,966 YOU THINK PEOPLE WERE REALLY TRYING TO KILL HIM? 706 00:35:07,001 --> 00:35:08,071 OR DO YOU THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO SEND HIM A MESSAGE? 707 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,210 OR, YOU KNOW-- >> YOU KNOW, WE-— I GO BACK AND 708 00:35:09,245 --> 00:35:09,728 FORTH ON THAT. 709 00:35:09,762 --> 00:35:10,901 I DON'T REALLY KNOW. 710 00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:13,111 BUT EITHER WAY, THE CONSEQUENCES COULD'VE BEEN HIS DEATH. 711 00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:15,216 >> WAS IT NORTHROP WHO MADE THE ATTEMPT ON MY LIFE? 712 00:35:15,251 --> 00:35:15,837 I CAN'T SAY WHO IT WAS. 713 00:35:15,872 --> 00:35:17,149 YOU KNOW? 714 00:35:17,184 --> 00:35:19,531 SOMEBODY DID. 715 00:35:30,197 --> 00:35:32,268 >> HERE'S NORTHROP ON THE LEFT. 716 00:35:32,302 --> 00:35:34,373 THIS IS THE DEFENSE SYSTEMS DIVISION. 717 00:35:34,408 --> 00:35:38,860 I WAS AT NORTHROP, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF TIMES, 'CAUSE 718 00:35:38,895 --> 00:35:43,175 FRANKLY, THEY REALLY DID NOT WANT TO SEE ME. 719 00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,936 >> Reporter: TO THIS DAY, THERE'S NO PROOF WHO WIRE TAPPED 720 00:35:45,971 --> 00:35:49,181 THE WHISTLEBLOWERS' PHONES, TAMPERED WITH THE HOLZRICHTER 721 00:35:49,216 --> 00:35:52,771 FAMILY'S CARS, OR WHO BROKE INTO THE HOUSE. 722 00:35:52,805 --> 00:35:55,601 AND NO EVIDENCE THAT NORTHROP CORPORATION WAS INVOLVED IN ANY 723 00:35:55,636 --> 00:35:58,156 OF THESE INCIDENTS OR WAS EVEN AWARE OF THEM. 724 00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:00,054 >> Reporter: THE CASE AGAINST NORTHROP BECAME ONE OF THE 725 00:36:00,088 --> 00:36:02,884 LONGEST RUNNING WHISTLEBLOWER LAWSUITS, EVER. 726 00:36:02,919 --> 00:36:06,060 HOW MANY YEARS EXACTLY? 727 00:36:06,094 --> 00:36:09,857 >> COUNTING THE TIME I WAS UNDERCOVER, 17-AND-A-HALF YEARS. 728 00:36:09,891 --> 00:36:11,134 >> Reporter: YOUR DAUGHTER WENT FROM BEING THREE YEARS OLD TO 20 729 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:12,100 YEARS OLD. 730 00:36:12,135 --> 00:36:13,274 >> YES. 731 00:36:13,309 --> 00:36:14,827 >> Reporter: WHILE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE CASE. 732 00:36:14,862 --> 00:36:16,035 >> YES. 733 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:17,623 >> Reporter: YOU FLEW COLONEL MOSELEY IN FOR DEPOSITION. 734 00:36:17,658 --> 00:36:19,660 >> YES. 735 00:36:19,694 --> 00:36:22,145 >> Reporter: AND ON THAT SAME MORNING, NORTHROP ANNOUNCED THAT 736 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,320 THEY WERE GOING TO SETTLE THE CASE. 737 00:36:24,354 --> 00:36:25,217 >> YES. 738 00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:26,011 >> Reporter: BEFORE HIS TESTIMONY? 739 00:36:26,045 --> 00:36:27,185 >> YES. 740 00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,496 >> SO, I WAS READY TO GO IN. 741 00:36:28,531 --> 00:36:32,500 AND WE GET THIS PHONE CALL THAT SAID THAT NORTHROP HAD CAVED ON 742 00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:38,299 THE LAWSUIT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO PAY DAMAGES, AND THEY HAD 743 00:36:38,334 --> 00:36:43,925 OFFERED X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE GOVERNMENT HAD ACCEPTED IT. 744 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,306 IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT A GOVERNMENT GUY, WHICH I 745 00:36:45,341 --> 00:36:47,515 CONSIDERED MYSELF, WAS GOING TO SAY THESE THINGS AND IT WAS 746 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:48,965 GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. 747 00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:49,862 THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE KEY. 748 00:36:49,897 --> 00:36:53,659 I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER KNOW. 749 00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:55,834 >> Reporter: IF THE COMPANY, NOW NORTHROP-GRUMMAN, WENT TO TRIAL 750 00:36:55,868 --> 00:36:57,939 AND LOST, THEY FACED DAMAGES TOTALING AN ASTOUNDING $1.2 751 00:36:57,974 --> 00:37:01,633 BILLION. 752 00:37:01,667 --> 00:37:03,773 INSTEAD, NORTHROP-GRUMMAN SETTLED OUT OF COURT, ADMITTING 753 00:37:03,807 --> 00:37:06,085 NO WRONGDOING. 754 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,642 THEY AGREED TO PAY A TOTAL OF $134 MILLION, ACCORDING TO THE 755 00:37:10,676 --> 00:37:11,988 WHISTLEBLOWERS' ATTORNEYS. 756 00:37:12,022 --> 00:37:15,060 THAT MONEY INCLUDED PAYMENTS TO THE GOVERNMENT, THE 757 00:37:15,094 --> 00:37:18,270 WHISTLEBLOWERS, AND LEGAL FEES. 758 00:37:18,305 --> 00:37:22,136 NORTHROP-GRUMMAN DISPUTES THAT TOTAL SAYING THE CORRECT FIGURE 759 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,933 IS $99 MILLION-- STILL A LOT OF MONEY. 760 00:37:25,967 --> 00:37:29,592 THE COMPANY DECLINED A REQUEST FOR AN ON-CAMERA INTERVIEW, BUT 761 00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:33,492 GAVE US A STATEMENT, READING IN PART: "AS DESCRIBED TO US, THIS 762 00:37:33,527 --> 00:37:35,908 PROGRAM RELATES TO A FALSE CLAIMS ACT SUIT FILED ABOUT 30 763 00:37:35,943 --> 00:37:39,153 YEARS AGO. 764 00:37:39,187 --> 00:37:42,190 THE COMPANY SETTLED THE MATTER IN 2005, WITH NO FINDING OR 765 00:37:42,225 --> 00:37:46,781 ADMISSION OF WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF NORTHROP GRUMMAN." 766 00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,267 NORTHROP GRUMMAN ALSO STATED THAT ANY SUGGESTION THAT THE 767 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,615 COMPANY MAY HAVE ENGAGED IN ANY CRIMINAL WRONGDOING DECADES AGO 768 00:37:52,649 --> 00:37:55,721 WOULD BE WITHOUT "CREDIBLE OR INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE" AND "FALSE 769 00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:58,862 AND IRRESPONSIBLE." 770 00:37:58,897 --> 00:37:59,622 SO, THE CASE SETTLES? 771 00:37:59,656 --> 00:38:00,657 >> YES. 772 00:38:00,692 --> 00:38:02,763 >> Reporter: BUT FOR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THEY 773 00:38:02,797 --> 00:38:05,352 WERE EXPOSED? 774 00:38:05,386 --> 00:38:06,387 >> CORRECT. 775 00:38:06,422 --> 00:38:07,664 AND-- AND THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT RUNS. 776 00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:09,666 THEY'RE-- IT-- IT'S-- IT'S INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE NOW REFER 777 00:38:09,701 --> 00:38:10,702 TO IT. 778 00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:12,635 THEY'RE REFERRING TO IT AS THE FRAUD TAX. 779 00:38:12,669 --> 00:38:13,636 >> Reporter: THE FRAUD TAX? 780 00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:14,913 >> THE FRAUD TAX. 781 00:38:14,947 --> 00:38:16,570 >> Reporter: LIKE A TAX THAT A COMPANY HAS TO PAY BECAUSE THEY 782 00:38:16,604 --> 00:38:17,122 COMMITTED FRAUD? 783 00:38:17,156 --> 00:38:17,916 >> IF YOU GET CAUGHT. 784 00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:18,641 >> Reporter: IF YOU GET CAUGHT? 785 00:38:18,675 --> 00:38:20,574 >> IF YOU GET CAUGHT. 786 00:38:20,608 --> 00:38:22,645 >> Reporter: THE OTHER WHISTLEBLOWER, REX ROBINSON, 787 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,510 DIDN'T LIVE TO SEE THE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME OF THEIR LONG 788 00:38:25,544 --> 00:38:28,892 ORDEAL. 789 00:38:28,927 --> 00:38:31,516 >> REX ROBINSON HAD PASSED AWAY A COUPLE YEARS EARLIER. 790 00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:34,381 HE WAS LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEW MEXICAN DESERT IN A 791 00:38:34,415 --> 00:38:36,106 TRAILER. 792 00:38:36,141 --> 00:38:38,281 IT WAS TRAGIC. 793 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:42,320 IT WAS -- WE WEREN'T FRIENDS WHEN WE STARTED. 794 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:45,323 BUT TOWARDS THE END, WE TALKED EVERY WEEK. 795 00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:48,256 EVERY WEEK, WE TALKED. 796 00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:55,022 HE JUST FELT CHEATED OF A LIFE. 797 00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:56,713 >> Reporter: THE WHISTLEBLOWERS' SHARE OF THE SETTLEMENT, SPLIT 798 00:38:56,748 --> 00:38:59,889 BETWEEN JIM AND REX'S SURVIVING FAMILY, AMOUNTED TO AROUND SIX 799 00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,444 MILLION DOLLARS EACH. 800 00:39:03,479 --> 00:39:04,997 >> SO, WHEN YOU SEE THESE LARGE AWARDS LIKE IN MY CASE-- WAS IT 801 00:39:05,032 --> 00:39:07,931 A LIFE CHANGING AWARD? 802 00:39:07,966 --> 00:39:09,519 YES, IT WAS. 803 00:39:09,554 --> 00:39:12,419 BUT THE THING IS-- IS THAT PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE THAT THE 804 00:39:12,453 --> 00:39:16,768 ATTORNEYS, RIGHT OFF THE TOP, TAKE 40%. 805 00:39:16,802 --> 00:39:18,839 OH, DON'T FORGET THE I.R.S. 806 00:39:18,873 --> 00:39:20,150 >> Reporter: SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT WHISTLEBLOWERS DO THIS FOR 807 00:39:20,185 --> 00:39:23,015 THE MONEY. 808 00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,363 SEEMS LIKE A VERY DIFFICULT WAY TO MAKE MONEY. 809 00:39:25,397 --> 00:39:29,470 >> [LAUGHS] IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT. 810 00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:32,128 THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 811 00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:36,408 AND THAT'S WHAT MOST WHISTLEBLOWERS GET INTO IT FOR, 812 00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:39,894 BECAUSE THEY'RE HONEST PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY AND REPORTING FRAUD IS 813 00:39:39,929 --> 00:39:45,590 THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 814 00:39:45,624 --> 00:39:48,351 >> MANY CASES, THE WHISTLEBLOWERS ESPECIALLY THAT 815 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,318 WE'VE BEEN HONORING AS PART OF OUR CONFERENCE, HAVE THEIR LIVES 816 00:39:50,353 --> 00:39:52,804 THREATENED. 817 00:39:52,838 --> 00:39:58,188 IN JIM'S CASE, JIM WOUND UP HOMELESS. 818 00:39:58,223 --> 00:40:01,399 >> Reporter: IN THE YEARS SINCE, JIM HOLZRICHTER HAS BEEN HONORED 819 00:40:01,433 --> 00:40:03,262 FOR HIS EXAMPLE, STANDING UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT, WHATEVER THE 820 00:40:03,297 --> 00:40:05,161 COSTS. 821 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:09,165 TODAY HE WORKS AS A MENTOR TO OTHER WOULD-BE WHISTLEBLOWERS. 822 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,723 >> I'VE MENTORED SEVERAL DOZEN WHISTLEBLOWERS OVER THE YEARS. 823 00:40:15,758 --> 00:40:18,623 AND IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS 824 00:40:18,657 --> 00:40:25,768 GOING THROUGH THIS, THAT RESOURCE WASN'T THERE. 825 00:40:25,802 --> 00:40:28,426 >> YOU STOOD UP FOR WHAT WAS TOTALLY RIGHT AND WHAT WAS 826 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,013 TOTALLY WRONG. 827 00:40:30,048 --> 00:40:32,671 >> BECAUSE WITH AS LITTLE AS WE HAD, YOU STILL TAUGHT US 828 00:40:32,706 --> 00:40:34,155 HOSPITALITY. 829 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:35,398 >> YEAH. 830 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,676 >> YOU STILL TAUGHT US CLASS-- >> YOU SAID "YOU DO NOT NEED A 831 00:40:37,711 --> 00:40:40,334 LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE CLASS." 832 00:40:40,368 --> 00:40:44,649 WE LEARNED THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE LEARNED OTHERWISE. 833 00:40:44,683 --> 00:40:47,997 >> THIS IS SO HUMBLING TO HEAR ALL OF YOU TALK THIS WAY. 834 00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:51,241 AND, YOU KNOW, AND TO -- TO HEAR HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ME AS YOUR 835 00:40:51,276 --> 00:40:52,898 FATHER. 836 00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:56,833 'CAUSE ONE OF MY GREATEST FEARS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE RESENTED 837 00:40:56,868 --> 00:41:02,183 ME, YOU KNOW, FOR HAVING YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS. 838 00:41:02,218 --> 00:41:05,911 IT'S-- IT'S-- [CLEARS THROAT] 839 00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:13,229 IT'S REALLY PAINFUL TO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU HAD GONE THROUGH. 840 00:41:13,263 --> 00:41:18,406 >> WE'RE STRONGER BECAUSE OF IT. 841 00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,064 >> TOWARD THE END OF THE CASE, I WAS JUST PRAYING THAT IT WAS 842 00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:23,273 OVER. 843 00:41:23,308 --> 00:41:26,000 I DIDN'T CARE IF WE WON, WE LOST, IF THERE WASN'T A DIME. 844 00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:30,108 I JUST WANTED IT TO BE OVER, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS PRAYING AND IT 845 00:41:30,142 --> 00:41:34,008 FINALLY WAS, SO I FEEL LIKE MY PRAYER WAS ANSWERED THERE. 846 00:41:34,043 --> 00:41:37,943 >> TO ME, MY FAMILY ARE THE TRUE HEROES THE ONES WHO STUCK WITH 847 00:41:37,978 --> 00:41:42,292 ME AND NEVER ABANDONED ME. 848 00:41:42,327 --> 00:41:49,817 >> Reporter: BLOW THE WHISTLE, CHANGE THE WORLD. 849 00:41:49,852 --> 00:41:51,854 Captioning sponsored by CBS Captioned by 850 00:41:51,888 --> 00:42:01,933 Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 851 00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:08,042 Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 852 00:42:08,077 --> 00:42:12,046 >> FOR MORE INFORMATION GO TO cbs.com/whistleblower. 853 00:42:12,081 --> 00:42:14,083 HERE IS WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE NEXT "WHISTLEBLOWER." 70403

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