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>> I FINALLY MET THE PUPPET
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MASTERS.
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THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN COOKING
THE BOOKS.
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I WANTED NO PART OF THIS.
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I COULD SEE MYSELF GOING TO
JAIL.
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I FOUND MYSELF UP AGAINST ONE OF
THE MOST POWERFUL CORPORATIONS
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IN THE COUNTRY.
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I CAME TO BELIEVE THAT THE
COMPANY MIGHT BE DOUBLE- OR EVEN
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TRIPLE-BILLING FOR THESE
EXPENSIVE PARTS TO THE U.S.
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GOVERNMENT.
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AND THIS WAS ADDING UP TO THE
TUNE OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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I WORKED FOR THE DEFENSE
CONTRACTOR, NORTHROP, AND MY JOB
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THERE WAS TO TRACK INVENTORY
THAT WOUND UP IN THE B-1 BOMBER,
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THE STEALTH BOMBER, AND THE F-15
FIGHTER.
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SOMEBODY WAS IN MY HOUSE.
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MY FAMILY WAS ASLEEP.
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THEY COULD'VE DONE ANYTHING TO
US.
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MY NAME IS JAMES H. HOLZRICHTER,
AND I'M A WHISTLEBLOWER.
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>> IF YOU KNOW JIM, HE LOVES
AMERICA.
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AND HE BELIEVES IN RIGHT AND
WRONG.
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THIS WAS NOT JUST AN ORDINARY
FRAUD CASE.
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FRANKLY, IT AFFECTED NATIONAL
SECURITY.
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>> I WANTED TO GET SOME
DOCUMENTS OUT, TO PROTECT MYSELF
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IN CASE THEY WERE DESTROYED.
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I SMUGGLED COPIES OF DOCUMENTS
OUT AND BROUGHT THEM TO THE
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FEDERAL AGENTS.
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MY PHONES WERE TAPPED, AND EVEN
MY CARS WERE TAMPERED WITH.
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I CAN'T SAY WHO IT WAS.
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SOMEBODY DID IT.
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AND I ALMOST LOST MY LIFE.
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WE WOUND UP IN A HOMELESS
SHELTER.
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THE ENTIRE FAMILY GOES THROUGH
EVERYTHING, THE COST IS SO MUCH.
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>> SEE OUR SUCCESSES AND WHEN WE
HAVE MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR
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SETTLEMENTS.
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WHAT THEY DON'T SAY, AND FRANKLY
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT A LOT, IS
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THE CASES WE LOSE.
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UNLESS A WHISTLEBLOWER'S
PREPARED FOR THE STRESS, THEY
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SHOULDN'T GET INVOLVED.
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>> WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, MY FATHER
SAID SOMETHING TO ME THAT I'VE
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NEVER FORGOTTEN.
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HE SAID, "JIMMY, WHEN IS IT EVER
WRONG TO DO THE RIGHT THING?"
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>> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER,
THIS IS "WHISTLEBLOWER."
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WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
SACRIFICE YOUR FAMILY'S SAFETY
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TO STOP MASSIVE FRAUD ON A TOP-
SECRET GOVERNMENT PROJECT?
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>> WE'RE HEADING ON OVER TO THE
PLACE WHERE MARY AND I WERE
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LIVING WITH OUR CHILDREN WHEN
THIS ALL BEGAN-- WHEN I FIRST
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STARTED FINDING OUT ABOUT THINGS
THAT JUST DIDN'T ADD UP.
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AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE
WAS BROKEN INTO.
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SO YEAH, THIS IS WHERE IT ALL
BEGAN.
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>> Reporter: JIM HOLZRICHTER'S
JOURNEY AS A WHISTLEBLOWER BEGAN
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A FEW YEARS AFTER HE'D LEFT THE
COAST GUARD AND STARTED HIS
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DREAM JOB AT NORTHROP
CORPORATION, ONE OF THE TOP
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MILITARY CONTRACTORS IN THE
WORLD.
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>> WHERE THEY MADE THE AVIONICS
FOR ALL SORTS OF HIGH TECH
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AIRCRAFT.
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THE F-16-- THE B-1 BOMBER-- THE
B-52, THEY WERE ALSO WORKING ON
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A VERY CLASSIFIED PROJECT THAT
CONGRESS WOULDN'T EVEN ADMIT IT
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WAS EXISTING, AND THAT WAS THE
B-2 STEALTH BOMBER.
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IT HADN'T MERGED WITH GRUMMAN
YET, SO IT WAS JUST NORTHROP.
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SO THEN I BEGAN WORKING' THERE
AN ELECTRONIC TECHNICIAN.
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>> Reporter: NORTHROP IS DEALING
WITH SOME OF THE TOP MILITARY
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SECRETS OF OUR COUNTRY.
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>> YES.
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>> Reporter: JIM WAS WORKING AT
NORTHROP'S PLANT IN ROLLING
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MEADOWS, ILLINOIS, JUST NORTH OF
CHICAGO.
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HIS JOB: TRACKING THE INVENTORY
OF CRITICAL ELECTRONICS FOR THE
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AIR FORCE'S F-15 FIGHTER, B-1
BOMBER AND THE B-2 STEALTH
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BOMBER.
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SO THEY CALLED THESE BLACK
PROGRAMS, RIGHT?
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>> UH-HUH.
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>> Reporter: AND-- BECAUSE
THEY'RE SO SECRET.
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NOBODY REALLY HAD THE WHOLE
PICTURE?
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PEOPLE COULD ONLY SEE WHAT'S
GOING ON HERE, BUT THEY COULDN'T
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SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE?
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>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
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>> Reporter: TELL ME ABOUT THE
CULTURE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT.
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>> SUSPICION.
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FEAR.
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THAT REALLY WAS AN UNDERLYING
UNDERCURRENT.
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>> Reporter: THE WORK WAS
SENSITIVE AND THE SECURITY WAS
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INTENSE.
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>> THEY HAD THE CAMERAS ALL OVER
THE PLACE TO WATCH YOU.
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THE PHONES YOU KNEW WERE
MONITORED IN AND OUT.
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>> Reporter: THEY COULD LISTEN
TO ANY PHONE CALL THAT YOU MADE
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OR RECEIVED?
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>> INSIDE THE COMPANY, YES.
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>> Reporter: BUT JIM REVELED IN
WORKING FOR THE DEFENSE
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INDUSTRY.
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>> HE WAS SO HAPPY TO BE AT A
REGULAR JOB, A NORMAL JOB AND
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MONEY WAS COMING IN EVERY WEEK.
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IT WAS GOOD.
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I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD--
GOOD SITUATION.
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>> Reporter: JIM, HIS WIFE MARY
AND THEIR FIVE KIDS- AGES THREE
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TO 14 AT THE TIME- WERE LIVING
A COMFORTABLE LIFE IN A RENTED
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HOME IN THE SUBURBS.
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AND AT SOME POINT, YOU MOVE FROM
TESTING EQUIPMENT TO AUDITING
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THE SYSTEMS THAT MONITOR PARTS
THINGS LIKE THAT-
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>> YES, PRODUCT ASSURANCE.
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>> Reporter: "PRODUCT
ASSURANCE": THAT'S THE
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DEPARTMENT MAKING SURE THE
COMPANY WAS PROPERLY BILLING FOR
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THE PARTS THAT MAKE UP THE
STEALTH TECHNOLOGY VITAL TO OUR
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NATIONAL SECURITY.
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>> I WAS FINDING DISCREPANCIES,
THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T ADD
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UP.
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THERE WERE CIRCUIT CARDS THAT,
AS SOON AS THEY'D COME IN,
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THEY'D THROW THEM OUT.
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>> Reporter: JIM COULDN'T FIGURE
OUT WHY NORTHROP WOULD SCRAP
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PERFECTLY GOOD PARTS.
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>> IT STARTED MAKING ME FEEL
SOMETHING'S WRONG HERE.
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THEY ALSO HAD WHAT WAS KNOWN AS
AN INFLATED BILL TO MATERIALS.
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PHANTOM PARTS, CHARGING FOR
PARTS THAT WEREN'T IN IT,
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SALVAGING PARTS-- A PART THAT
HAD FAILED, THEY'D TAKE ALL THE
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GOOD PARTS OUT AND REUSE THEM
AND, THEN, CHARGE AGAIN FOR THEM
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AS IF THEY WERE NEW.
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SO NINE TO $11 MILLION
WORTH OF COST OVERRUNS OR COST
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OVERCHARGES TO THE CUSTOMER.
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>> Reporter: AND THE CUSTOMER
BEING OVERCHARGED WAS THE U.S.
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GOVERNMENT.
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SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT
NORTHROP WOULD ORDER A PART.
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THE PART WOULD COME IN AND THERE
WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
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THEY'D SEND IT BACK TO THE
VENDOR.
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AND WHEN THE VENDOR SENT IT BACK
REPAIRED, THE VENDOR WOULDN'T
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BILL NORTHROP, BUT THE
COMPUTER SYSTEM AT NORTHROP
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WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BILL THE
GOVERNMENT A SECOND TIME FOR THE
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PART?
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>> YES.
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THAT'S--
>> Reporter: DID THAT EVER
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HAPPEN MORE THAN TWICE?
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THERE WAS TIMES WHEN THE PART
WAS SENT BACK AGAIN AND THE
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GOVERNMENT WAS BILLED--
>> IT HAPPENED HUNDREDS OF
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TIMES.
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TO THE TUNES OF MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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>> Reporter: AND HOW EXPENSIVE
WERE THESE PARTS?
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>> THEY COULD GO UPWARDS OF
$116,000 FOR ONE OF THEM.
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>> Reporter: PER PART?
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>> PER PART.
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>> Reporter: JIM HAD DISCOVERED
THAT IN SUPPLYING THE
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ELECTRONICS FOR THE AIR FORCE'S
CUTTING-EDGE AIRCRAFT, NORTHROP
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WAS NOT ONLY DOUBLE- OR TRIPLE-
BILLING FOR EXPENSIVE PARTS,
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THEY WERE SHIFTING COSTS FROM
ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER TO
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MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS, AND
CONCEALING THOSE DISCREPANCIES
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FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
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AS YOU'RE FINDING THESE
DISCREPANCIES, WHO ARE YOU
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REPORTING THEM TO?
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>> MY IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR,
EVERY ONE OF THEM.
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AND THEN ADMINISTRATOR OF
PRODUCT ASSURANCE COMES BY.
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AND SHE STOPS AT MY DESK AND SHE
STANDS THERE, "WELL, WHAT ARE
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YOU DOING?"
AND I TOLD HER WHAT I WAS DOING
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AND SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE'S
THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING.
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AND THEN SHE SAYS, "WELL, I WANT
YOU TO STOP NOW."
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I REALIZED THAT ALL OF THE
INDICATORS WERE SHOWING THAT
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THERE MIGHT BE ACTUAL FRAUD.
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I WANTED NO PART OF THIS.
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I COULD SEE MYSELF GOING TO
JAIL.
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I'M THINKING, "I NEED TO START
COVERING MYSELF IN CASE
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SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAPPENS."
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>> Reporter: AT THIS POINT
YOU'RE THINKING, "I'M GOING TO
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START KEEPING A COPY OF
EVERYTHING IN CASE THINGS GO
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SOUTH --"
>> FOR MYSELF.
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>> Reporter: "I HAVE
DOCUMENTATION"?
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>> YES.
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[COPY MACHINE WHIRRING]
SO I MADE COPIES OF THE
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DOCUMENTS, BUT HOW DO YOU GET
THEM OUT OF A FACILITY THAT IS A
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TOP-SECRET FACILITY?
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>> Reporter: JIM BEGAN TO
SMUGGLE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS OUT
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OF NORTHROP SO HE'D HAVE
EVIDENCE OF THE PROBLEMS HE WAS
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TRYING TO EXPOSE AND FIX.
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>> SO WHAT I DID IS-- IS I
STARTED TAPING THEM TO MY BODY.
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AND I'D TAKE THEM, AND I'D PUT
THEM IN MY SOCK, AND HOLD IT
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AGAINST MY LEG LIKE THAT, AND
THEN I COULD WALK OUT LIKE THIS.
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>> Reporter: HAD YOU SPOKEN TO
MARY, YOUR WIFE, ABOUT WHAT HAD
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BEEN GOING ON?
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>> NO.
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>> Reporter: SHE DIDN'T KNOW?
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>> NO, SHE DID NOT.
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>> I GOT MY FEELINGS FROM THE
WAY HE WAS FEELING.
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BECAUSE HE WAS STARTING TO FEEL
LIKE HE WAS BEING FOLLOWED AND
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WATCHED.
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BUT I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW
TOO MUCH, BECAUSE IT DID SEEM
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LIKE IT KIND OF WAS STARTING TO
GET TO BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
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AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THE MORE I
KNOW, THE MORE DANGER I'M GOING
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TO BE IN.
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AND I GOT TO BE HERE FOR MY
KIDS.
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>> Reporter: FOR MONTHS, THIS
CONTINUED, AND THEN ONE NIGHT
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AFTER WORK, A PHONE CALL FROM A
STRANGER CHANGED EVERYTHING.
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>> HE GOES, "MY NAME IS RICHARD
ZOTT.
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AND I'M A FEDERAL AGENT FOR THE
DEFENSE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE
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SERVICE AND I'M MAKING SOME
INVESTIGATIONS AT NORTHROP AND
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I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU."
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IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY PUNCHED ME
IN THE STOMACH.
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>> Reporter: JIM HOLZRICHTER WAS
HOME WITH HIS FAMILY ONE NIGHT
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WHEN HE RECEIVED THAT DISTURBING
PHONE CALL.
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>> AND NOW HERE'S SOMEONE SAYING
HE'S A FEDERAL AGENT.
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I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS.
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HE'S A VOICE ON THE PHONE.
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IT COULD BE SOMEONE FROM
NORTHROP SAYING, "LET'S CHECK
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JIM TO SEE IF HE'S GOING TO RAT
US OUT."
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AND I COULD BE BEING SET UP.
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>> Reporter: BUT THE CALLER WAS,
IN FACT, AN INVESTIGATOR WITH
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THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT NAMED
RICHARD ZOTT.
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YOU COLD-CALLED JIM AT HOME
AFTER WORK ONE DAY.
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>> YES, I DID.
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>> Reporter: AND YOU WERE A
FEDERAL AGENT WITH WHICH--
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>> THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE,
THE DEFENSE CRIMINAL
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INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE.
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AND-- THERE WAS HESITATION ON
THE PHONE.
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YOU COULD HEAR THE WHEELS
MOVING.
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>> AND HE SAYS, "I WANT TO TALK
TO YOU."
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AND I GO, "WELL, I CAN'T VERIFY
YOUR CREDENTIALS.
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YOU COULD BE A FOREIGN AGENT.
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I WORK FOR A DEFENSE
CONTRACTOR."
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I SAYS, "I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL
DO.
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I'M GOING TO GO INTO WORK
TOMORROW AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW
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THAT YOU CALLED ME."
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>> SO I SAID, "YOU KNOW, JIM,
YOU CAN TALK TO THEIR
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ATTORNEYS.
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BUT THEY WON'T REPRESENT YOU.
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THEY'LL REPRESENT THE INTERESTS
OF NORTHROP.
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AND SO I THINK YOU AND I REALLY
NEED TO TALK."
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AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, "IF
YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ME,
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THE NEXT TIME I TALK TO YOU,
UNFORTUNATELY, IT-- IT MAY BE
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TAKING YOU AWAY IN HANDCUFFS."
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>> I SAYS, "WELL, WHAT TIME CAN
YOU BE HERE TOMORROW?"
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[LAUGHS]
>> Reporter: THAT'S A
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CONVERSATION THAT CHANGES YOUR
LIFE.
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>> YEAH, OH, ABSOLUTELY.
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>> Reporter: AGREEING TO TALK
WITH A FEDERAL AGENT, JIM
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HOLZRICHTER HAD TAKEN A
FATEFUL STEP-- HE WAS NOW
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OFFICIALLY BLOWING THE WHISTLE
ON THE ALLEGED FRAUD AT
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NORTHROP.
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WHAT WAS YOUR INITIAL IMPRESSION
OF AGENT ZOTT?
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>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
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I THOUGHT THE CAVALRY HAD COME.
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I THOUGHT, "WELL, NOW--
NOW TH-- HERE'S THE RIGHT PERSON
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WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS
PROBLEM."
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DID I WANT PEOPLE TO GO TO
JAIL?
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NO.
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DID I WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR
JOBS?
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NO.
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DID I WANT THEM TO SHUT THE
COMPANY DOWN AND PUT 5,000
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PEOPLE OUT OF WORK?
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NO.
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I JUST WANTED THE PROBLEM FIXED.
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>> Reporter: HOW DID YOU BECOME
INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION
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INTO NORTHROP THAT INVOLVED JIM
HOLZRICHTER?
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>> WELL, INITIALLY, AN
INDIVIDUAL NAMED REX ROBINSON
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CAME ON OUR RADAR, THAT HE HAD
MADE SOME ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING
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A CLASSIFIED PROGRAM.
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AND REX SAID, "YEAH, THERE'S AN
INDIVIDUAL NAMED JIM HOLZRICHTER
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WHO ALSO WORKS AT NORTHROP WHO
MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO
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CORROBORATE WHAT I'M SAYING."
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>> IT WAS REX WHO HAD MENTIONED
ME, JUST BECAUSE I HAD TOLD ONE
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GUY THAT I WAS RIDING TO WORK
WITH I-- I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE
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WITH SOME THINGS I WAS SEEING
GOING ON.
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REX WAS WORKING IN THE SAME
PROGRAM AS THE GUY WHO I DROVE
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TO WORK WITH WAS.
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>> REX WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
TESTING EQUIPMENT THAT THEY
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WERE DEVELOPING FOR THE B-2
BOMBER.
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>> IT'S THE MOST SOPHISTICATED
RADAR-JAMMING TECHNOLOGY IN
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THE WORLD AT THAT POINT.
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>> Reporter: ATTORNEYS MICHAEL
BEHN AND BRUCE HOWARD WOULD END
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UP REPRESENTING REX IN HIS
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST NORTHROP.
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>> BUT WHAT REX SAW AND WHAT HE
TOLD US WAS THEM FAKING
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TESTS.
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LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AIR FORCE
WOULD COME IN--
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>> AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD THE
DUMMY TEST EQUIPMENT THAT
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PRETENDED TO SHOW THAT IT
WORKED.
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>> AND WHAT REX SAID WAS THEY--
THEY'D HOOK IT UP SO THAT THE
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LIGHTS BLINK.
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AND THE-- THE NEEDLES READ WHAT
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO READ.
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BUT, BASICALLY, ALL THE MACHINE
DID WAS TURN ON LIGHTS AND MOVE
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NEEDLES!
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>> AFTER THE AIR FORCE HAD LEFT
THE REVIEW, THE HEAD DEVELOPER
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FOR NORTHROP SAID, "WE LIED OUR
TEETH OFF, NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE
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THOSE LIES COME TRUE."
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AT THAT STAGE, THE GOVERNMENT
GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO
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FURTHER WITH THE PROJECT AND
PUMPED MORE THAN $250 MILLION
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TOWARDS THIS PRODUCT THAT-- DID
NOT WORK.
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>> TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
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>> TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
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>> Reporter: WHEN NORTHROP
LEARNED REX HAD GONE TO THE
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F.B.I., THE COMPANY BEGAN TO
GIVE HIM BAD REVIEWS AND
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EVENTUALLY FIRED HIM.
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THAT'S WHEN REX FOUND HIS WAY TO
THE ATTORNEYS AND OFFICIALLY
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BECAME A WHISTLEBLOWER.
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JIM, STILL WORKING AT NORTHROP,
DECIDED TO JOIN FORCES WITH REX
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TO BUILD A STRONGER CASE AGAINST
THE COMPANY, USING BOTH OF THEIR
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ALLEGATIONS.
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>> THESE KIND OF LOOK FAMILIAR
TO ME, DON'T THEY?
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>> YEAH, DON'T THEY, YEAH--
>> YEAH--
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>> THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAD
TAPED TO MY-- STOMACH AND
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BROUGHT THEM OUT, I HAD THEM
STUFFED IN THERE--
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>> I REMEMBER THAT, I REMEMBER
THAT--
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>> AND BROUGHT THEM OUT TO YOU.
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>> AND I WAS SHOCKED-- I
REMEMBER WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS
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OUT, IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
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IT WAS LIKE A TREASURE TROVE FOR
ME.
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>> YEAH.
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>> 'CAUSE THESE KINDS OF
INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO DIFFICULT,
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AND YOU BROUGHT THESE TO ME AND
I REMEMBER WE WERE GOING OVER
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LOOKING AT THE SCRAP RATES.
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>> YEAH, I WAS-- IT'S JUST LIKE
THERE'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
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THEY HAD ONLY BOUGHT 817, BUT
THEY SCRAPPED 1,453.
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SO IT WAS LIKE AN OVERCHARGE OF
$119,000 JUST ON THIS ONE PART.
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>> JUST THIS ONE, YEAH.
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AND THE THING IS: HOW CAN YOU
SCRAP ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT
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THAT YOU PURCHASED?
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>> Reporter: FOR THE NEXT YEAR
AND A HALF, JIM CONTINUED TO
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PASS ALONG TO AGENT ZOTT
EVIDENCE THAT NORTHROP WAS
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SYSTEMATICALLY BILKING THE
GOVERNMENT OF MILLIONS OF
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DOLLARS.
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JIM WAS DOING THIS AT GREAT
PERSONAL RISK.
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>> I THINK A COUPLE TIMES WHEN
YOU WERE COMING OUT, THEY
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SEARCHED YOU.
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>> RIGHT.
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RIGHT, THEY TOOK MY SHIRT OFF
ONE TIME, AND THE DAY BEFORE, I
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HAD BROUGHT DOCUMENTS OUT, BUT
THAT DAY, I WASN'T BRINGING
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DOCUMENTS OUT.
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>> THANK GOODNESS.
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>> I CHANGED THE WAY THAT I WAS
BRINGING THE DOCUMENTS OUT
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FROM THEN ON.
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I DIDN'T HAVE THEM UNDER MY
SHIRT ANYMORE, I PUT THEM IN MY
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SOCK.
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>> Reporter: JIM NORMALLY GAVE
DOCUMENTS DIRECTLY TO ZOTT.
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IT WAS RARE HE BROUGHT THEM
HOME, BUT ONE NIGHT BEFORE HE
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WAS TO MEET WITH THE F.B.I.,
HE'D LEFT A STACK OF DOCUMENTS
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IN A PILE, ON HIS LIVING ROOM
TABLE.
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>> AND SO I HAD THEM SITTING IN
MY LIVING ROOM, RIGHT NEXT
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TO MY TELEVISION.
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AND THEN THERE'S A NIGHT LIGHT
THERE, A LIGHT THAT'S OFF, I
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HAD THEM SITTING THERE.
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SO IT WAS ABOUT 4:30 IN THE
MORNING.
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AND FOR SOME REASON I WOKE UP, I
DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD A NOISE OR
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WHATEVER.
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AND I CAME OUT INTO THE LIVING
ROOM AND THE LIGHT WAS ON.
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"WHAT IS THIS?"
THE DOCUMENTS ARE TURNED UPSIDE
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DOWN, THE LIGHTS ARE ON, THE
DOOR'S OPEN.
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AND-- AND IT JUST-- SOMEBODY WAS
IN MY HOUSE!
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I WAS SO SCARED.
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ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS, AGAIN,
WHERE I'M THINKING, "WHAT HAVE I
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DONE TO MY FAMILY TO PUT THEM AT
RISK LIKE THIS?"
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SO, I CALLED RICHARD.
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I GO, "SOMEBODY WAS IN MY
HOUSE."
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AND HE GOES, "THAT'S A
PROFESSIONAL.
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HE WAS THERE TO TAKE COPIES OF
WHAT YOU WERE BRINGING TO THE
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F.B.I."
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>> Reporter: SO HE MUST HAVE
HEARD YOU COMING?
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>> HE SAYS, "HE HEARD YOU GET UP
AND HE GOT OUT OF THERE."
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>> Reporter: AND WHEN DID THE
BURGLARY OCCUR?
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>> THE NIGHT I GOT THEM.
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THIS--
>> Reporter: SO SOMEBODY EITHER
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TAPPED YOUR PHONE--
>> THE PHONE WAS--
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>> Reporter: --OR HAD ACCESS TO
SOMEBODY ELSE WHO KNEW THAT YOU
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WERE GOING TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS
THAT DAY?
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>> YES.
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>> Reporter: IN THE COURSE OF
THE INVESTIGATION AGENT ZOTT
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ALERTED JIM THAT HE HAD FOUND
WIRE TAPS ON REX ROBINSON'S
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PHONES.
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JIM WAS RISKING A LOT TO HELP
YOU WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION.
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>> I THINK JIM WAS RISKING MORE
THAN MANY PEOPLE I'VE EVER
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WORKED WITH YEAH.
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I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS
SAFETY.
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ONCE HIS COVER WAS BLOWN, THEN I
WAS EVEN MORE CONCERNED.
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>> Reporter: AND THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT DID HAPPEN WHEN AN
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ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY,
WORKING WITH ZOTT, MADE THE
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MISTAKE OF CALLING JIM DIRECTLY
ON HIS WORK PHONE.
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>> THE U.S. ATTORNEY FROM THE
DIRKSEN FEDERAL BUILDING CALLS
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ME AT MY PHONE, AT MY DESK,
INSIDE ONE OF THE MOST SECURE
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FACILITIES ON THE FACE OF THE
PLANET.
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>> Reporter: YOUR PHONE THAT'S
BEING MONITORED BY NORTHROP?
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>> UH-HUH.
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HE GOES, "HEY JIM, IT'S THE U.S.
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ATTORNEY.
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I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT WIRE
I ASKED YOU TO WEAR.
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YOU UP FOR THAT?"
AND I GO--
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"WHO IS THIS?
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I THINK YOU HAVE THE WRONG
NUMBER!"
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AND I HANG UP AND I'M GOING,
"NO, NO..."
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>> Reporter: AT THAT POINT, YOU
REALIZE?
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>> I'M DONE.
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>> Reporter: NORTHROP COULD NOT
FIRE JIM OUTRIGHT, BUT THE
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COMPANY COULD MAKE HIS LIFE
MISERABLE.
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AND NOW, HE BEGAN BRINGING HIS
PROBLEMS HOME.
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>> HE WOULD COME HOME AND TELL
ME HOW HE WAS BEING TREATED,
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EVEN BY HIS WORKMATES GETTING UP
AND WALKING AWAY FROM THE LUNCH
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TABLE-- IT SEEMED SO UNFAIR.
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>> PEOPLE THAT I HAD EATEN LUNCH
WITH FOR FIVE YEARS, AND NONE OF
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THEM SAID A WORD.
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THEY JUST ALL PICKED UP THEIR
TRAYS AND WENT TO ANOTHER TABLE
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AND LEFT ME SITTING THERE.
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>> I FELT LIKE ALL ALONG HE WAS
DOING THE RIGHT THING.
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AND WHY WERE THEY TREATING HIM
SO BADLY?
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WHY WEREN'T THEY WORKING WITH
HIM?
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WHY WEREN'T THEY CORRECTING THE
PROBLEM?
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>> PEOPLE'D SEE ME COMING' DOWN
THE HALL AND THEY'D TURN AROUND
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AND GO THE OTHER WAY.
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I WAS A PARIAH.
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>> Reporter: AND HE HAD REASON
TO FEAR IT COULD GET WORSE.
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>> I HAD A FEDERAL AGENT TELL ME
ONE OF HIS WHISTLEBLOWERS
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HAD JUST BEEN MURDERED.
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>> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER.
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THIS IS "WHISTLEBLOWER."
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>> YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE
BEST POSSIBLE CHOICE IN AMONGST
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A BATCH OF BAD ONES, BUT THERE
ARE REPERCUSSIONS TO THAT.
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>> Reporter: JIM'S WHISTLEBLOWER
CASE AGAINST NORTHROP WAS STILL
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UNDERWAY, BUT A YEAR AND A HALF
AFTER HE FIRST NOTICED PROBLEMS
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00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:45,598
AT THE COMPANY, HE'D FINALLY
BEEN FORCED TO LEAVE.
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00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:48,152
AND HOW DID IT FINALLY END, YOUR
EMPLOYMENT WITH NORTHROP?
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>> THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS
BEING HELD UP AT THE LAWYERS'
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OFFICE.
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THEIR LAWYERS WANTED TO WANTED
TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE
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INVESTIGATION.
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THEY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, "WHAT
DOES THIS CASE INVOLVE?"
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I SAYS, "EVERYTHING I'VE ALREADY
DIVULGED INTERNALLY."
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00:20:06,170 --> 00:20:08,552
>> Reporter: THE COMPANY KNEW HE
WAS PART OF A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
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INVESTIGATION ALLEGING MASSIVE
FRAUD.
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>> THEIR CORPORATE ATTORNEY
SAYS, "WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE
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ARE LAWS IN PLACE THAT WE CAN'T
RETALIATE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE
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YOU'RE A WHISTLEBLOWER," HE
SAYS, "BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
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OUR POSITION.
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WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE WOLF
LOOSE AMONGST THE SHEEP."
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>> Reporter: [LAUGHS]
YOU'RE THE WOLF AND THEY'RE THE
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SHEEP?
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>> RIGHT.
425
00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:33,301
THAT'S WHAT I WAS-- I WAS--
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS
426
00:20:33,335 --> 00:20:34,923
THINKING.
427
00:20:34,957 --> 00:20:35,648
I GO, "WHAT?
428
00:20:35,682 --> 00:20:38,167
I'M THE WOLF?
429
00:20:38,202 --> 00:20:41,999
OKAY..."
430
00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:45,209
>> Reporter: BUT THE STRESS OF
BLOWING THE WHISTLE HAD BECOME
431
00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:46,417
TOO MUCH FOR JIM.
432
00:20:46,452 --> 00:20:49,627
>> I LEFT THAT MEETING AND I WAS
HAVING CHEST PAINS SO BAD, I
433
00:20:49,662 --> 00:20:51,871
THOUGHT I WAS HAVING A HEART
ATTACK.
434
00:20:51,905 --> 00:20:53,942
>> Reporter: TURNED OUT IT
WASN'T?
435
00:20:53,976 --> 00:20:55,875
>> IT WASN'T.
436
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:59,775
I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY
DID ALL SORTS OF TESTS.
437
00:20:59,810 --> 00:21:02,088
MY DOCTOR CAME IN AND SHE PUT ME
ON A SHORT-TERM MEDICAL LEAVE
438
00:21:02,122 --> 00:21:04,090
FOR SITUATIONAL ANXIETY.
439
00:21:04,124 --> 00:21:05,229
>> Reporter: AND YOU NEVER WENT
BACK?
440
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,300
>> I NEVER WENT BACK.
441
00:21:07,335 --> 00:21:12,926
I HAD BEEN BLACKBALLED IN THE
AEROSPACE INDUSTRY.
442
00:21:12,961 --> 00:21:16,551
AND I WOULD NEVER WORK IN THAT
FIELD AGAIN.
443
00:21:16,585 --> 00:21:19,105
THAT WAS RATHER DISHEARTENING,
BECAUSE THE TYPE OF WORK I WAS
444
00:21:19,139 --> 00:21:21,107
DOING WAS WHAT I WANTED TO DO MY
WHOLE LIFE, EVER SINCE I WAS A
445
00:21:21,141 --> 00:21:24,248
CHILD.
446
00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:31,462
I GOT A JOB MANAGING A GAS
STATION IN McHENRY.
447
00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:36,502
AND THEN I GOT A JOB DRIVING A
BUS, PICKING UP THE ELDERLY AND
448
00:21:36,536 --> 00:21:40,368
DISABLED, AND I DID THAT FOR A
COUPLE YEARS BEFORE I STARTED
449
00:21:40,402 --> 00:21:45,580
WORKING FULL-TIME FOR "THE
TRIBUNE" AS A INDEPENDENT AGENT.
450
00:21:45,614 --> 00:21:49,411
IT FIRST STARTED WITH STUFFING
PAPERS AND THEN DELIVERING
451
00:21:49,446 --> 00:21:53,208
NEWSPAPERS TO THE STORES ON
SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
452
00:21:53,242 --> 00:21:57,281
THAT WAS A SEVEN-DAY-A-WEEK JOB,
365 DAYS A YEAR AND YOU'D WORK
453
00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:01,561
FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL NOON THE
NEXT DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND
454
00:22:01,596 --> 00:22:05,358
I WORKED FIVE YEARS WITHOUT A
DAY OFF.
455
00:22:05,393 --> 00:22:08,465
>> Reporter: IT QUICKLY BECAME
CLEAR: HERE'S WHERE THE IMPACT
456
00:22:08,499 --> 00:22:12,469
OF BLOWING THE WHISTLE-- AND THE
YEARS OF BUILDING A CASE-- FELL
457
00:22:12,503 --> 00:22:17,612
EQUALLY ON JIM'S WHOLE FAMILY.
458
00:22:17,646 --> 00:22:20,200
>> THIS SCHOOL HERE ON MY LEFT
WE'RE PASSING-- THIS IS WHERE
459
00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:22,306
ALL MY CHILDREN WENT TO SCHOOL,
FROM KINDERGARTEN TO EIGHTH
460
00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:24,412
GRADE.
461
00:22:24,446 --> 00:22:26,552
BECAUSE WE LIVED HERE, OFF AND
ON, IN WONDER LAKE.
462
00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:28,657
>> WE WERE RENTING A HOUSE.
463
00:22:28,692 --> 00:22:31,419
THE KIDS REALLY LIKED IT
THERE.
464
00:22:31,453 --> 00:22:35,457
THEY WERE IN A PRETTY GOOD
SCHOOL, AND-- WE WERE LIVING A
465
00:22:35,492 --> 00:22:38,357
PRETTY GOOD LIFE.
466
00:22:38,391 --> 00:22:41,014
>> THIS IS ALSO THE HOUSE THAT
WE WERE LIVING AT WHEN IT WAS
467
00:22:41,049 --> 00:22:45,398
BROKEN INTO.
468
00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:47,504
AND THAT FRONT DOOR WAS OPEN,
AND THEY HAD A COAT
469
00:22:47,538 --> 00:22:49,782
HANGER HOLDING IT OPEN.
470
00:22:49,816 --> 00:22:52,612
AND WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT TO
RICHARD, HE SAYS, "WELL, THAT'S
471
00:22:52,647 --> 00:22:55,097
WHAT A PROFESSIONAL WOULD DO."
472
00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:57,203
>> THAT RAISED SERIOUS CONCERNS
TO ME.
473
00:22:57,237 --> 00:23:00,689
IT-- 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A
BURGLARY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
474
00:23:00,724 --> 00:23:03,174
GOING SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE
DOCUMENTS.
475
00:23:03,209 --> 00:23:06,488
AND THE FACT THAT THE DOOR WAS
LEFT OPEN TELLS ME THAT THEY
476
00:23:06,523 --> 00:23:08,904
ARE-- THEY-- THEIR LEVEL OF
EXPERTISE IS HIGHER THAN AN
477
00:23:08,939 --> 00:23:10,837
AVERAGE BURGLAR.
478
00:23:10,872 --> 00:23:14,116
>> Reporter: AGENT ZOTT SAYS HE
MENTIONED THE INCIDENT TO THE
479
00:23:14,151 --> 00:23:22,366
ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY WORKING
THE CASE, BUT HE CONSIDERED IT A
480
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:23,505
MATTER FOR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
481
00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:24,851
>> I TALKED TO MY SUPERVISORS
ABOUT WITNESS PROTECTION
482
00:23:24,886 --> 00:23:26,128
PROGRAM.
483
00:23:26,163 --> 00:23:27,647
AND I REMEMBER I BROUGHT IT UP
WITH JIM AND HE WAS NOT ENTHUSED
484
00:23:27,682 --> 00:23:29,787
WITH THE IDEA OF LIVING IN THE
MIDDLE OF IOWA SOMEWHERE, YOU
485
00:23:29,822 --> 00:23:31,168
KNOW, UNDER AN ASSUMED IDENTITY.
486
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:34,551
>> WE STARTED LIVING IN FEAR AND
SHAME TOO.
487
00:23:34,585 --> 00:23:39,625
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE HE LOST
HIS JOB, YOU KNOW, WE WERE POOR.
488
00:23:39,659 --> 00:23:44,630
WHEN THINGS STARTED-- I THINK
ADAM WAS ONLY TWO OR THREE YEARS
489
00:23:44,664 --> 00:23:46,666
OLD.
490
00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:50,152
AND THEN MY OLDEST DAUGHTER, SHE
WAS IN, JUST FINISHING UP JUNIOR
491
00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:51,602
HIGH.
492
00:23:51,637 --> 00:23:54,640
SO IT KIND OF TOOK UP THEIR
WHOLE LIFE, THEIR WHOLE
493
00:23:54,674 --> 00:23:56,676
CHILDHOOD REALLY.
494
00:23:56,711 --> 00:24:01,612
>> Reporter: YOU ABLE TO SAVE
THE HOUSE?
495
00:24:01,647 --> 00:24:02,061
>> NO.
496
00:24:02,095 --> 00:24:03,338
NO.
497
00:24:03,372 --> 00:24:04,857
WE WERE RENTING AT THE TIME BUT
WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE.
498
00:24:04,891 --> 00:24:06,134
AND SO WE HAD TO MOVE.
499
00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:07,653
BUT WE HAD NOWHERE TO MOVE.
500
00:24:07,687 --> 00:24:09,586
>> Reporter: SO WHERE DO YOU END
UP?
501
00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:10,897
>> HOMELESS SHELTER.
502
00:24:10,932 --> 00:24:13,175
SO, THIS IS THE HOMELESS SHELTER
WHERE WE WERE LIVING AT AFTER WE
503
00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:14,729
LEFT THE HOUSE IN WONDER LAKE.
504
00:24:14,763 --> 00:24:19,216
AND WE STAYED RIGHT ACROSS FROM
US, RIGHT HERE, IS WHERE THE
505
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:22,909
FIRST APARTMENT WHERE WE WERE
AT.
506
00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:24,739
WELL WE WERE HERE FOR TWO MONTHS
UNTIL WE COULD FIND A PLACE FOR
507
00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:28,881
US TO MOVE INTO.
508
00:24:28,915 --> 00:24:32,954
>> THE THING THAT I ALWAYS
REMEMBER THE MOST IS GRADUATING
509
00:24:32,988 --> 00:24:37,959
EIGHTH GRADE AND THEN HAVING TO
GO TO THE HOMELESS SHELTER RIGHT
510
00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:42,515
AFTERWARDS, AND THEN EVERYBODY
FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD
511
00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:44,068
COCKROACHES THERE, TOO, SO
EVERYBODY STAYED AWAY FROM
512
00:24:44,103 --> 00:24:45,276
US.
513
00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:46,864
>> Reporter: FOR YEARS, JIM
WORKED WITH HIS ATTORNEYS AND
514
00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:48,797
AGENT ZOTT TO BUILD THE CASE,
THEY NEEDED TO PERSUADE THE
515
00:24:48,832 --> 00:24:52,629
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO GO
AFTER NORTHROP.
516
00:24:52,663 --> 00:24:54,872
>> I'D GO DOWNTOWN TO THE
LAWYER'S OFFICE TO GO THROUGH
517
00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:56,080
DOCUMENTS.
518
00:24:56,115 --> 00:24:59,394
THEY START FLOODING US WITH THIS
PAPER SNOWSTORM.
519
00:24:59,428 --> 00:25:01,085
YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF THE ADAGE
OF A "NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK?"
520
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,432
IT WAS, LIKE, THEY SENT US THE
HAYSTACK AND KEPT ALL THE
521
00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:09,473
NEEDLES.
522
00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:11,544
>> Reporter: FOR ITS OWN
REASONS, THE GOVERNMENT HAD
523
00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:13,822
DECIDED AGAINST TAKING ON THE
CASE.
524
00:25:13,857 --> 00:25:18,171
ADMITTEDLY, IT WAS COMPLEX, AND
AS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF MAJOR
525
00:25:18,206 --> 00:25:21,036
DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, NORTHROP
NOT ONLY HAD DEEP POCKETS, BUT
526
00:25:21,071 --> 00:25:23,763
TREMENDOUS POLITICAL CLOUT.
527
00:25:23,798 --> 00:25:26,559
>> IT REALLY SUCKS TO BE
INVOLVED IN LITIGATION IN
528
00:25:26,594 --> 00:25:29,113
GENERAL, AND TO BE IN LITIGATION
AGAINST A HUGE CORPORATION CAN
529
00:25:29,148 --> 00:25:37,536
BE VERY DIFFICULT, VERY TIRING,
VERY STRESSFUL.
530
00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,436
>> IT WAS HARD GROWING UP
KNOWING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE
531
00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:44,439
SAME THINGS OTHER KIDS DID.
532
00:25:44,473 --> 00:25:47,994
AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE ALL
THOSE AWESOME CLOTHES THAT
533
00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:50,756
EVERYBODY COMES BACK TO SCHOOL
WITH, LIKE... WE WOULD GO TO
534
00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:54,898
THE-- YOU KNOW, THE RESALE SHOP
OR TO KMART.
535
00:25:54,932 --> 00:25:57,659
AND WE'RE LIKE, "YEAH, WE GET TO
HAVE OUR ONE SHIRT AND OUR ONE
536
00:25:57,694 --> 00:26:00,248
PAIR OF JEANS FOR SCHOOL THIS
YEAR."
537
00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:01,249
LIKE, AND WE WERE SO HAPPY.
538
00:26:01,283 --> 00:26:07,807
IT WAS LIKE A BLESSING TO HAVE
THAT.
539
00:26:07,842 --> 00:26:10,499
>> Reporter: THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME THE ENTIRE FAMILY HAS
540
00:26:10,534 --> 00:26:13,986
TALKED TOGETHER ABOUT WHAT
THEY WENT THROUGH.
541
00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:17,472
>> IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT
YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS ABOUT WHAT
542
00:26:17,506 --> 00:26:20,820
A WHISTLEBLOWER GOES THROUGH.
543
00:26:20,855 --> 00:26:23,167
IT'S NOT SOMETHING-- HE TRAVELS
THIS ROAD ALONE.
544
00:26:23,202 --> 00:26:26,067
IT'S MY-- THE ENTIRE FAMILY GOES
THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND IT
545
00:26:26,101 --> 00:26:29,173
ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THAT
QUESTION-- WOULD I DO IT AGAIN?
546
00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:30,865
THE COST IS SO MUCH.
547
00:26:30,899 --> 00:26:42,946
HOW DO I GIVE YOU BACK YOUR
CHILDHOOD?
548
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:44,499
>> I FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING THE
RIGHT THING ALL ALONG.
549
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:47,467
BUT-- AND I FEARED FOR HIM VERY
MUCH.
550
00:26:47,502 --> 00:26:49,780
I WAS VERY AFRAID.
551
00:26:49,815 --> 00:26:52,265
>> Reporter: MARY'S FEARS WOULD
BECOME ALL TOO REAL WHEN SOMEONE
552
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,164
TAMPERED WITH HER FAMILY'S CARS.
553
00:26:54,198 --> 00:27:01,205
>> I WORKED IN THIS HIGH-TECH
ENVIRONMENT.
554
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,415
THIS IS A TIME WHEN THE MOVIE
"SILKWOOD" WAS COMING OUT.
555
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:05,485
WHAT HAPPENS TO WHISTLEBLOWERS?
556
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,593
THEY WIND UP IN A TRUNK.
557
00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,837
IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO
ME, IT WOULD BE MADE TO LOOK
558
00:27:11,871 --> 00:27:14,667
LIKE AN ACCIDENT.
559
00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:31,408
>> NORTHROP-- THEIR STRATEGY WAS
A SCORCHED EARTH LITIGATION.
560
00:27:31,442 --> 00:27:35,826
THEY TRIED TO DRAG THINGS OUT AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
561
00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:37,656
>> Reporter: KNOWING THE
WHISTLEBLOWERS DID NOT HAVE THE
562
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:41,556
BACKING OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE
DEFENSE CONTRACTOR DRAGGED OUT
563
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:45,353
THE LITIGATION AND THE
WHISTLEBLOWER LAWYERS WERE
564
00:27:45,387 --> 00:27:47,182
FOOTING THE BILL.
565
00:27:47,217 --> 00:27:50,703
>> AND THEY WOULD TRY AT THE
HIGHEST LEVELS TO INFLUENCE THE
566
00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:54,707
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WITH WHOM
THEY DEALT WITH ALL THE TIME.
567
00:27:54,742 --> 00:27:58,331
AND THEY WOULD CONTEST EVERY
SINGLE DOCUMENT THAT WE WANTED
568
00:27:58,366 --> 00:28:01,058
TO GET.
569
00:28:01,093 --> 00:28:04,924
>> Reporter: BUT FINALLY, 13
YEARS AFTER JIM'S DECISION TO
570
00:28:04,959 --> 00:28:09,032
BLOW THE WHISTLE, TEN YEARS
AFTER THE GOVERNMENT DECLINED TO
571
00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:12,380
INTERVENE, JIM AND REX AND THEIR
LAWYERS FINALLY HAD ENOUGH DIRT
572
00:28:12,414 --> 00:28:17,074
TO GET THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE ON
NORTHROP.
573
00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:20,250
>> IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, IF
NOT THEFIRST CASE WHERE AFTER
574
00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:24,530
THE GOVERNMENT, INITIALLY,
DECLINED TO GET INVOLVED, YEARS
575
00:28:24,564 --> 00:28:27,464
LATER, AFTER WE MARSHALED SOME
EVIDENCE TO CONVINCE THEM IT WAS
576
00:28:27,498 --> 00:28:34,436
A WORTHY CASE, THEY DECIDED TO
INTERVENE WITH US.
577
00:28:34,471 --> 00:28:36,300
>> Reporter: ULTIMATELY, YOU DID
FIND SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WERE
578
00:28:36,335 --> 00:28:36,818
PRETTY MUCH A SMOKING GUN.
579
00:28:36,853 --> 00:28:38,268
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
580
00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:41,409
WE DID HAVE DOCUMENTS, FOR
EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY WERE
581
00:28:41,443 --> 00:28:46,897
TRAINING THEIR OWN PEOPLE,
"WE CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH."
582
00:28:46,932 --> 00:28:48,623
>> "WHAT WILL THE CUSTOMER
ACCEPT AS REASONS WE CAN'T TELL
583
00:28:48,657 --> 00:28:52,040
THE TRUTH?"
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE
584
00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:54,905
THAT, THAT TO ME IS PRIMA
FASCIA EVIDENCE OF FRAUD,
585
00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:58,667
DECEPTION.
586
00:28:58,702 --> 00:29:01,705
>> Reporter: SO ARE YOU TELLING
ME THAT THEY WERE TRAINING THEIR
587
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,433
PEOPLE TO FIND CREATIVE WAYS NOT
TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE
588
00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:10,058
GOVERNMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING
ON UNDER THE CONTRACT?
589
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:11,542
>> THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE FOUND
EVIDENCED THAT PRETTY CLEARLY.
590
00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:12,958
>> WHAT FRAUD IS: FRAUD IS--
IT'S A BIG TERM SIMPLY FOR THEFT
591
00:29:12,992 --> 00:29:16,271
BY DECEPTION.
592
00:29:16,306 --> 00:29:19,861
>> Reporter: AND WHEN RETIRED
AIR FORCE COLONEL ROGER MOSELEY
593
00:29:19,896 --> 00:29:23,623
TOOK A LOOK AT THEIR EVIDENCE--
>> THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.
594
00:29:23,658 --> 00:29:25,556
>> Reporter: HE WAS LIVID.
595
00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:31,908
>> THIS JUST MAKES YOU FURIOUS
THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS TO US.
596
00:29:31,942 --> 00:29:34,151
>> COLONEL MOSELEY WAS ONE OF
OUR EXPERTS IN THE NORTHROP
597
00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:38,362
CASE, AND SPECIFICALLY ON THE
STEALTH SIDE.
598
00:29:38,397 --> 00:29:43,367
>> I WAS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF
THE B-2.
599
00:29:43,402 --> 00:29:47,095
IT WAS A TERRIFIC JOB, I HAD IT
FOR THREE YEARS AND I THOROUGHLY
600
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:48,856
ENJOYED IT.
601
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:50,167
AND IN THE END, WE BUILT AN
AIRPLANE.
602
00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:51,444
AND HERE IT IS.
603
00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:56,070
THE B-2 BOMBER, THE FIRST
STEALTH BOMBER.
604
00:29:56,104 --> 00:29:58,382
A VERY IMPRESSIVE AIRPLANE,
FLIES A LONG WAY, CARRIES A
605
00:29:58,417 --> 00:30:02,973
LOT-- IS ALMOST INVISIBLE TO
RADAR.
606
00:30:03,008 --> 00:30:06,597
>> COLONEL MOSELEY SAID HAD HE
KNOWN OF WHAT NORTHROP WAS
607
00:30:06,632 --> 00:30:10,739
DOING, THEIR FRAUD IN OUR CASE,
AT THE TIME HE WAS IN CHARGE OF
608
00:30:10,774 --> 00:30:15,675
THE STEALTH PROGRAM, HE WOULD
HAVE CUT NORTHROP OFF.
609
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:19,093
>> IF I HAD KNOWN THAT THIS WAS
GOING ON AT THE TIME, I
610
00:30:19,127 --> 00:30:21,716
GUARANTEE YOU I WOULD'VE BEEN IN
ILLINOIS WITH A PACK OF LAWYERS,
611
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,788
AND WE WOULD'VE GONE OVER THIS.
612
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,755
THIS PART: "OVERCHARGE FOR
PARTS."
613
00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:30,932
IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY HARD
FOR THEM TO-- ONCE I KNEW THAT
614
00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:33,624
SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, FOR THEM
TO FAKE ME OUT.
615
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:39,147
BUT WHEN YOU FIND A SLIDE THAT
SAYS, "WE CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH,"
616
00:30:39,182 --> 00:30:41,978
YOU SORT OF BACK AWAY FROM BEING
CONSIDERATE AND YOU REALLY WANT
617
00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:43,911
TO GO AFTER THEM.
618
00:30:43,945 --> 00:30:46,879
UNFORTUNATELY, AS I LOOKED MORE
AND MORE INTO THE PAPERWORK, IT
619
00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:49,192
WASN'T A SIMPLE ERROR.
620
00:30:49,226 --> 00:30:51,263
IT WAS AN ERROR THAT WAS KNOWN
TO THE MANAGEMENT AND THE
621
00:30:51,297 --> 00:30:54,680
MANAGEMENT WAS TELLING THEIR
EMPLOYEES, "WE'LL TAKE CARE OF
622
00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:57,821
IT," AND THEY NEVER DID, AND
THEY AVOIDED TAKING CARE OF IT
623
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,548
ON PURPOSE BECAUSE IT WAS
INCREASING THEIR REVENUE AND
624
00:31:00,582 --> 00:31:04,138
THEIR PROFITS.
625
00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,865
WE GAVE THEM A COST-PLUS
CONTRACT.
626
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:13,837
ALL THE MONEY YOU NEED TO DO
THIS, WITHOUT RESTRICTION.
627
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:15,390
AND YET THEY STILL DO THIS
KIND OF STUFF.
628
00:31:15,425 --> 00:31:17,392
UNBELIEVABLE.
629
00:31:17,427 --> 00:31:20,395
>> Reporter: AS JIM AND REX'S
CASE AGAINST NORTHROP UNCOVERED
630
00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:24,089
INCREASINGLY DAMNING EVIDENCE OF
FRAUD, IN JIM'S HOUSEHOLD, THE
631
00:31:24,123 --> 00:31:27,368
FAMILY REMEMBERS HOW, OVER THE
YEARS, THE PARANOIA HAD STEADILY
632
00:31:27,402 --> 00:31:34,582
MOUNTED.
633
00:31:34,616 --> 00:31:38,206
>> I REMEMBER THE FAMILY PULLING
TOGETHER DURING THE TIMES OF
634
00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:43,177
UNCOMFORTABLENESS, OR WHEN WE
WERE SCARED, OR SLEEPING AT THE
635
00:31:43,211 --> 00:31:45,179
FOOT OF YOUR BED IN YOUR ROOM
BECAUSE I WAS TOO SCARED TO
636
00:31:45,213 --> 00:31:47,146
SLEEP IN MY ROOM.
637
00:31:47,181 --> 00:31:51,012
>> I KNOW THAT MOM WAS-- WAS
STRESSED ABOUT IT.
638
00:31:51,047 --> 00:31:53,912
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF
CARRIED DOWN THE LINE, AND
639
00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:59,262
ME TRYING TO KEEP ALL OF US
TOGETHER TOO.
640
00:31:59,296 --> 00:32:00,539
YOU KNOW?
641
00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:02,265
JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT CALM AND
TRYING TO KEEP IT UPBEAT, AND
642
00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:04,992
NOT REALLY THINK TOO DEEPLY
ABOUT IT.
643
00:32:05,026 --> 00:32:07,753
BUT I-- I DID.
644
00:32:07,787 --> 00:32:10,273
>> MOM WAS SAYING TO ME THE
OTHER DAY AS IS THAT SHE SHOWED
645
00:32:10,307 --> 00:32:12,171
ME HER JOURNAL.
646
00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:15,899
SOMETHING I WAS UNAWARE THAT YOU
HAD BEEN DOING, THAT SHE KEPT--
647
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,797
SHE WROTE DOWN THOSE FEELINGS.
648
00:32:17,832 --> 00:32:25,529
>> I WROTE DOWN SOME THINGS THAT
I COULD HARDLY BELIEVE WHEN I
649
00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:30,086
WENT BACK AND READ THEM AGAIN,
HOW PARANOID I HAD GOTTEN.
650
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,709
MY FIRST ENTRY ACTUALLY WAS
SOMETHING JIM HAD SAID TO ME.
651
00:32:32,743 --> 00:32:36,299
HE SAID, "IT'S NOT IF ANYMORE,
IT'S WHEN."
652
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:42,029
"DAD KNOWS THEY'RE GOING TO KILL
HIM."
653
00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:44,376
WE NEED TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR
THIS.
654
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,241
THAT'S WHEN I SAID, "I SHOULD
GET SOME INSURANCE," BECAUSE IT
655
00:32:47,275 --> 00:32:49,105
WAS REAL-- IT WAS A REAL THREAT.
656
00:32:49,139 --> 00:32:52,867
YEAH, BECAUSE I SAID, "WELL, IF
SOMETHING HAPPENS, I GOT TO TAKE
657
00:32:52,901 --> 00:32:54,593
CARE OF THESE KIDS.
658
00:32:54,627 --> 00:32:59,011
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?"
BECAUSE I FIGURED IF YOU DID
659
00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:02,946
DIE, THEY WOULD MAKE IT LOOK
LIKE AN ACCIDENT.
660
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,568
>> WHEN I WOULD COME HOME FROM
WORK, MY DAUGHTER WOULD PULL ALL
661
00:33:04,603 --> 00:33:06,812
THE BLINDS.
662
00:33:06,846 --> 00:33:08,641
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WINDOW
RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER,
663
00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:11,817
THAT'S WHERE MY DAUGHTER USED TO
PULL THE BLINDS.
664
00:33:11,851 --> 00:33:13,370
SHE SAYS, "SO YOU-- SOMEBODY
WOULDN'T SHOOT YOU THROUGH THE
665
00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:14,647
WINDOW."
666
00:33:14,682 --> 00:33:16,201
>> Reporter: YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD
DAUGHTER WAS PULLING THE BLINDS
667
00:33:16,235 --> 00:33:18,479
BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS
GOING TO TAKE A SHOT AT YOU
668
00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:19,411
THROUGH THE WINDOW?
669
00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:19,928
>> YES.
670
00:33:19,963 --> 00:33:20,999
YEAH.
671
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,035
>> Reporter: WHEN YOU LEARNED
THIS--
672
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:25,037
>> IT BROKE MY HEART.
673
00:33:25,072 --> 00:33:27,453
IT BROKE MY HEART.
674
00:33:27,488 --> 00:33:32,010
AS A FATHER, YOU TRY TO KEEP
YOUR FAMILY SAFE.
675
00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:36,842
YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE
MONSTERS AT BAY, SO TO SAY.
676
00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:39,914
BUT FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GROW UP
THAT WAY-- HEARTBREAKING.
677
00:33:39,948 --> 00:33:42,468
>> THAT FEELING OF
HELPLESSNESS...
678
00:33:42,503 --> 00:33:44,160
>> Reporter: JIM WORRIED THAT HE
COULDN'T PROTECT HIS FAMILY OR
679
00:33:44,194 --> 00:33:46,748
HIMSELF.
680
00:33:46,783 --> 00:33:48,509
AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY DID MAKE
AN ATTEMPT ON YOUR LIFE?
681
00:33:48,543 --> 00:33:51,029
>> YES.
682
00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:53,100
I'M DELIVERING SOME PAPERS BUT
I'M GOING SLOW.
683
00:33:53,134 --> 00:33:56,482
AND THE RIGHT, FRONT TIRE SHEARS
OFF.
684
00:33:56,517 --> 00:33:59,140
THE FRONT END OF THE CAR GOES
INTO THE-- THE SHOULDER LIKE
685
00:33:59,175 --> 00:34:03,144
THIS AND STOPS RATHER ABRUPTLY.
686
00:34:03,179 --> 00:34:04,283
FORTUNATELY, I WAS GOING SLOW,
SO IT DIDN'T CAUSE ME ANY
687
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:06,182
PHYSICAL DAMAGE.
688
00:34:06,216 --> 00:34:08,805
>> Reporter: WHAT CAUSED THE
RIGHT WHEEL TO FALL OFF?
689
00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:12,464
>> WELL, WHEN IT SHEARED, ONE OF
THE BOLTS WAS LAYING THERE AND
690
00:34:12,498 --> 00:34:15,708
THE NUT WAS AT THE END OF THE
STEM.
691
00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:19,160
AND THEN I STARTED GETTING A
CREEPY FEELING.
692
00:34:19,195 --> 00:34:21,300
WHY WOULD THAT BE ALL THE WAY
OUT AT THE END OF THE STEM?
693
00:34:21,335 --> 00:34:23,371
AND I ONLY FOUND THE ONE.
694
00:34:23,406 --> 00:34:25,546
AND SO I CALLED RICHARD ZOTT.
695
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:28,169
AND HE GOES, "JIM," HE SAYS,
"THAT'S A CLASSIC WAY THAT THEY
696
00:34:28,204 --> 00:34:30,930
MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT."
697
00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:34,520
>> AND IF IT'S ACCIDENTAL, IT
WOULD PROBABLY ONLY HAPPEN ONCE.
698
00:34:34,555 --> 00:34:39,318
AND SO IT WASN'T ONLY ONE TIME,
THIS HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES.
699
00:34:39,353 --> 00:34:40,630
>> YEAH, THREE TIMES.
700
00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:45,290
A FEW WEEKS AFTER IT HAPPENED TO
ME, THEN IT HAPPENED TO MY SON.
701
00:34:45,324 --> 00:34:50,122
AND THEN MY DAUGHTER, A COUPLE
WEEKS AFTER THAT, IT HAPPENED TO
702
00:34:50,157 --> 00:34:52,642
HER WHEN THE TIRE SHEARED OFF OF
HER CAR WHEN SHE WAS MAKING A
703
00:34:52,676 --> 00:34:59,649
TURN, IT JUST BROKE RIGHT OFF
AND ALL THE LUG NUTS WERE GONE.
704
00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:03,308
>> Reporter: WHEN THE LUG NUTS
WERE LOOSENED ON HIS CAR-- DO
705
00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:06,966
YOU THINK PEOPLE WERE REALLY
TRYING TO KILL HIM?
706
00:35:07,001 --> 00:35:08,071
OR DO YOU THINK THEY WERE TRYING
TO SEND HIM A MESSAGE?
707
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,210
OR, YOU KNOW--
>> YOU KNOW, WE-— I GO BACK AND
708
00:35:09,245 --> 00:35:09,728
FORTH ON THAT.
709
00:35:09,762 --> 00:35:10,901
I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
710
00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:13,111
BUT EITHER WAY, THE CONSEQUENCES
COULD'VE BEEN HIS DEATH.
711
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:15,216
>> WAS IT NORTHROP WHO MADE THE
ATTEMPT ON MY LIFE?
712
00:35:15,251 --> 00:35:15,837
I CAN'T SAY WHO IT WAS.
713
00:35:15,872 --> 00:35:17,149
YOU KNOW?
714
00:35:17,184 --> 00:35:19,531
SOMEBODY DID.
715
00:35:30,197 --> 00:35:32,268
>> HERE'S NORTHROP ON THE LEFT.
716
00:35:32,302 --> 00:35:34,373
THIS IS THE DEFENSE SYSTEMS
DIVISION.
717
00:35:34,408 --> 00:35:38,860
I WAS AT NORTHROP, I DON'T KNOW,
MAYBE A HANDFUL OF TIMES, 'CAUSE
718
00:35:38,895 --> 00:35:43,175
FRANKLY, THEY REALLY DID NOT
WANT TO SEE ME.
719
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,936
>> Reporter: TO THIS DAY,
THERE'S NO PROOF WHO WIRE TAPPED
720
00:35:45,971 --> 00:35:49,181
THE WHISTLEBLOWERS' PHONES,
TAMPERED WITH THE HOLZRICHTER
721
00:35:49,216 --> 00:35:52,771
FAMILY'S CARS, OR WHO BROKE INTO
THE HOUSE.
722
00:35:52,805 --> 00:35:55,601
AND NO EVIDENCE THAT NORTHROP
CORPORATION WAS INVOLVED IN ANY
723
00:35:55,636 --> 00:35:58,156
OF THESE INCIDENTS OR WAS EVEN
AWARE OF THEM.
724
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:00,054
>> Reporter: THE CASE AGAINST
NORTHROP BECAME ONE OF THE
725
00:36:00,088 --> 00:36:02,884
LONGEST RUNNING WHISTLEBLOWER
LAWSUITS, EVER.
726
00:36:02,919 --> 00:36:06,060
HOW MANY YEARS EXACTLY?
727
00:36:06,094 --> 00:36:09,857
>> COUNTING THE TIME I WAS
UNDERCOVER, 17-AND-A-HALF YEARS.
728
00:36:09,891 --> 00:36:11,134
>> Reporter: YOUR DAUGHTER WENT
FROM BEING THREE YEARS OLD TO 20
729
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:12,100
YEARS OLD.
730
00:36:12,135 --> 00:36:13,274
>> YES.
731
00:36:13,309 --> 00:36:14,827
>> Reporter: WHILE YOU WERE
INVOLVED IN THE CASE.
732
00:36:14,862 --> 00:36:16,035
>> YES.
733
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:17,623
>> Reporter: YOU FLEW COLONEL
MOSELEY IN FOR DEPOSITION.
734
00:36:17,658 --> 00:36:19,660
>> YES.
735
00:36:19,694 --> 00:36:22,145
>> Reporter: AND ON THAT SAME
MORNING, NORTHROP ANNOUNCED THAT
736
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,320
THEY WERE GOING TO SETTLE THE
CASE.
737
00:36:24,354 --> 00:36:25,217
>> YES.
738
00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:26,011
>> Reporter: BEFORE HIS
TESTIMONY?
739
00:36:26,045 --> 00:36:27,185
>> YES.
740
00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,496
>> SO, I WAS READY TO GO IN.
741
00:36:28,531 --> 00:36:32,500
AND WE GET THIS PHONE CALL THAT
SAID THAT NORTHROP HAD CAVED ON
742
00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:38,299
THE LAWSUIT, AND THEY WERE GOING
TO PAY DAMAGES, AND THEY HAD
743
00:36:38,334 --> 00:36:43,925
OFFERED X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND
THE GOVERNMENT HAD ACCEPTED IT.
744
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,306
IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME
THAT A GOVERNMENT GUY, WHICH I
745
00:36:45,341 --> 00:36:47,515
CONSIDERED MYSELF, WAS GOING TO
SAY THESE THINGS AND IT WAS
746
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:48,965
GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC
RECORD.
747
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:49,862
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE KEY.
748
00:36:49,897 --> 00:36:53,659
I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER
KNOW.
749
00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:55,834
>> Reporter: IF THE COMPANY, NOW
NORTHROP-GRUMMAN, WENT TO TRIAL
750
00:36:55,868 --> 00:36:57,939
AND LOST, THEY FACED DAMAGES
TOTALING AN ASTOUNDING $1.2
751
00:36:57,974 --> 00:37:01,633
BILLION.
752
00:37:01,667 --> 00:37:03,773
INSTEAD, NORTHROP-GRUMMAN
SETTLED OUT OF COURT, ADMITTING
753
00:37:03,807 --> 00:37:06,085
NO WRONGDOING.
754
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,642
THEY AGREED TO PAY A TOTAL OF
$134 MILLION, ACCORDING TO THE
755
00:37:10,676 --> 00:37:11,988
WHISTLEBLOWERS' ATTORNEYS.
756
00:37:12,022 --> 00:37:15,060
THAT MONEY INCLUDED PAYMENTS TO
THE GOVERNMENT, THE
757
00:37:15,094 --> 00:37:18,270
WHISTLEBLOWERS, AND LEGAL FEES.
758
00:37:18,305 --> 00:37:22,136
NORTHROP-GRUMMAN DISPUTES THAT
TOTAL SAYING THE CORRECT FIGURE
759
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,933
IS $99 MILLION-- STILL A LOT OF
MONEY.
760
00:37:25,967 --> 00:37:29,592
THE COMPANY DECLINED A REQUEST
FOR AN ON-CAMERA INTERVIEW, BUT
761
00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:33,492
GAVE US A STATEMENT, READING IN
PART: "AS DESCRIBED TO US, THIS
762
00:37:33,527 --> 00:37:35,908
PROGRAM RELATES TO A FALSE
CLAIMS ACT SUIT FILED ABOUT 30
763
00:37:35,943 --> 00:37:39,153
YEARS AGO.
764
00:37:39,187 --> 00:37:42,190
THE COMPANY SETTLED THE MATTER
IN 2005, WITH NO FINDING OR
765
00:37:42,225 --> 00:37:46,781
ADMISSION OF WRONGDOING ON THE
PART OF NORTHROP GRUMMAN."
766
00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,267
NORTHROP GRUMMAN ALSO STATED
THAT ANY SUGGESTION THAT THE
767
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,615
COMPANY MAY HAVE ENGAGED IN ANY
CRIMINAL WRONGDOING DECADES AGO
768
00:37:52,649 --> 00:37:55,721
WOULD BE WITHOUT "CREDIBLE OR
INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE" AND "FALSE
769
00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:58,862
AND IRRESPONSIBLE."
770
00:37:58,897 --> 00:37:59,622
SO, THE CASE SETTLES?
771
00:37:59,656 --> 00:38:00,657
>> YES.
772
00:38:00,692 --> 00:38:02,763
>> Reporter: BUT FOR
SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THEY
773
00:38:02,797 --> 00:38:05,352
WERE EXPOSED?
774
00:38:05,386 --> 00:38:06,387
>> CORRECT.
775
00:38:06,422 --> 00:38:07,664
AND-- AND THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT
RUNS.
776
00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:09,666
THEY'RE-- IT-- IT'S-- IT'S
INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE NOW REFER
777
00:38:09,701 --> 00:38:10,702
TO IT.
778
00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:12,635
THEY'RE REFERRING TO IT AS THE
FRAUD TAX.
779
00:38:12,669 --> 00:38:13,636
>> Reporter: THE FRAUD TAX?
780
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:14,913
>> THE FRAUD TAX.
781
00:38:14,947 --> 00:38:16,570
>> Reporter: LIKE A TAX THAT A
COMPANY HAS TO PAY BECAUSE THEY
782
00:38:16,604 --> 00:38:17,122
COMMITTED FRAUD?
783
00:38:17,156 --> 00:38:17,916
>> IF YOU GET CAUGHT.
784
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:18,641
>> Reporter: IF YOU GET CAUGHT?
785
00:38:18,675 --> 00:38:20,574
>> IF YOU GET CAUGHT.
786
00:38:20,608 --> 00:38:22,645
>> Reporter: THE OTHER
WHISTLEBLOWER, REX ROBINSON,
787
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,510
DIDN'T LIVE TO SEE THE
SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME OF THEIR LONG
788
00:38:25,544 --> 00:38:28,892
ORDEAL.
789
00:38:28,927 --> 00:38:31,516
>> REX ROBINSON HAD PASSED AWAY
A COUPLE YEARS EARLIER.
790
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:34,381
HE WAS LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE NEW MEXICAN DESERT IN A
791
00:38:34,415 --> 00:38:36,106
TRAILER.
792
00:38:36,141 --> 00:38:38,281
IT WAS TRAGIC.
793
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:42,320
IT WAS -- WE WEREN'T FRIENDS
WHEN WE STARTED.
794
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:45,323
BUT TOWARDS THE END, WE TALKED
EVERY WEEK.
795
00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:48,256
EVERY WEEK, WE TALKED.
796
00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:55,022
HE JUST FELT CHEATED OF A LIFE.
797
00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:56,713
>> Reporter: THE WHISTLEBLOWERS'
SHARE OF THE SETTLEMENT, SPLIT
798
00:38:56,748 --> 00:38:59,889
BETWEEN JIM AND REX'S SURVIVING
FAMILY, AMOUNTED TO AROUND SIX
799
00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,444
MILLION DOLLARS EACH.
800
00:39:03,479 --> 00:39:04,997
>> SO, WHEN YOU SEE THESE LARGE
AWARDS LIKE IN MY CASE-- WAS IT
801
00:39:05,032 --> 00:39:07,931
A LIFE CHANGING AWARD?
802
00:39:07,966 --> 00:39:09,519
YES, IT WAS.
803
00:39:09,554 --> 00:39:12,419
BUT THE THING IS-- IS THAT
PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE THAT THE
804
00:39:12,453 --> 00:39:16,768
ATTORNEYS, RIGHT OFF THE TOP,
TAKE 40%.
805
00:39:16,802 --> 00:39:18,839
OH, DON'T FORGET THE I.R.S.
806
00:39:18,873 --> 00:39:20,150
>> Reporter: SOME PEOPLE THINK
THAT WHISTLEBLOWERS DO THIS FOR
807
00:39:20,185 --> 00:39:23,015
THE MONEY.
808
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,363
SEEMS LIKE A VERY DIFFICULT WAY
TO MAKE MONEY.
809
00:39:25,397 --> 00:39:29,470
>> [LAUGHS]
IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT.
810
00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:32,128
THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
811
00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:36,408
AND THAT'S WHAT MOST
WHISTLEBLOWERS GET INTO IT FOR,
812
00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:39,894
BECAUSE THEY'RE HONEST PEOPLE OF
INTEGRITY AND REPORTING FRAUD IS
813
00:39:39,929 --> 00:39:45,590
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
814
00:39:45,624 --> 00:39:48,351
>> MANY CASES, THE
WHISTLEBLOWERS ESPECIALLY THAT
815
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,318
WE'VE BEEN HONORING AS PART OF
OUR CONFERENCE, HAVE THEIR LIVES
816
00:39:50,353 --> 00:39:52,804
THREATENED.
817
00:39:52,838 --> 00:39:58,188
IN JIM'S CASE, JIM WOUND UP
HOMELESS.
818
00:39:58,223 --> 00:40:01,399
>> Reporter: IN THE YEARS SINCE,
JIM HOLZRICHTER HAS BEEN HONORED
819
00:40:01,433 --> 00:40:03,262
FOR HIS EXAMPLE, STANDING UP FOR
WHAT'S RIGHT, WHATEVER THE
820
00:40:03,297 --> 00:40:05,161
COSTS.
821
00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:09,165
TODAY HE WORKS AS A MENTOR TO
OTHER WOULD-BE WHISTLEBLOWERS.
822
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,723
>> I'VE MENTORED SEVERAL DOZEN
WHISTLEBLOWERS OVER THE YEARS.
823
00:40:15,758 --> 00:40:18,623
AND IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE
TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS
824
00:40:18,657 --> 00:40:25,768
GOING THROUGH THIS, THAT
RESOURCE WASN'T THERE.
825
00:40:25,802 --> 00:40:28,426
>> YOU STOOD UP FOR WHAT WAS
TOTALLY RIGHT AND WHAT WAS
826
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,013
TOTALLY WRONG.
827
00:40:30,048 --> 00:40:32,671
>> BECAUSE WITH AS LITTLE AS WE
HAD, YOU STILL TAUGHT US
828
00:40:32,706 --> 00:40:34,155
HOSPITALITY.
829
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:35,398
>> YEAH.
830
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,676
>> YOU STILL TAUGHT US CLASS--
>> YOU SAID "YOU DO NOT NEED A
831
00:40:37,711 --> 00:40:40,334
LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE CLASS."
832
00:40:40,368 --> 00:40:44,649
WE LEARNED THINGS THAT WE WOULD
NOT HAVE LEARNED OTHERWISE.
833
00:40:44,683 --> 00:40:47,997
>> THIS IS SO HUMBLING TO HEAR
ALL OF YOU TALK THIS WAY.
834
00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:51,241
AND, YOU KNOW, AND TO -- TO HEAR
HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ME AS YOUR
835
00:40:51,276 --> 00:40:52,898
FATHER.
836
00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:56,833
'CAUSE ONE OF MY GREATEST FEARS
IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE RESENTED
837
00:40:56,868 --> 00:41:02,183
ME, YOU KNOW, FOR HAVING YOU TO
GO THROUGH THIS.
838
00:41:02,218 --> 00:41:05,911
IT'S-- IT'S--
[CLEARS THROAT]
839
00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:13,229
IT'S REALLY PAINFUL TO KNOW THAT
WHAT YOU HAD GONE THROUGH.
840
00:41:13,263 --> 00:41:18,406
>> WE'RE STRONGER BECAUSE OF IT.
841
00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,064
>> TOWARD THE END OF THE CASE, I
WAS JUST PRAYING THAT IT WAS
842
00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:23,273
OVER.
843
00:41:23,308 --> 00:41:26,000
I DIDN'T CARE IF WE WON, WE
LOST, IF THERE WASN'T A DIME.
844
00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:30,108
I JUST WANTED IT TO BE OVER, AND
THAT'S WHAT I WAS PRAYING AND IT
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FINALLY WAS, SO I FEEL LIKE MY
PRAYER WAS ANSWERED THERE.
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>> TO ME, MY FAMILY ARE THE TRUE
HEROES THE ONES WHO STUCK WITH
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ME AND NEVER ABANDONED ME.
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>> Reporter: BLOW THE WHISTLE,
CHANGE THE WORLD.
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>> FOR MORE INFORMATION GO TO
cbs.com/whistleblower.
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HERE IS WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE
NEXT "WHISTLEBLOWER."
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