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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Space exploration is humanity's grandest adventure. 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,200 We've sent missions to visit all of the planets of the solar system 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,280 and to gaze deep into distant galaxies. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,160 But how do we choose which missions go into space? 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Only a handful are launched every decade. 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,280 And for every one that flies, dozens are left on the drawing board. 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,960 This month on The Sky At Night we're looking at the selection 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,640 of the European Space Agency's next mission. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,640 My finalists are now waiting to hear who will get the final spot 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,400 onboard ESA's new rocket. 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,800 I do feel a bit nervous. 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,400 I slept well, but woke up ridiculously early. 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Two of those teams are from the UK. 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,680 Yeah, checking my phone throughout to see if e-mails will come in, 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,040 but I've not heard any specific news yet. 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,560 And before we reveal the victor, we'll be finding out how they choose 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,880 which mission will go into space and which simply won't fly. 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Welcome to The Sky At Night. 19 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,960 This is the headquarters of the European Space Agency in Paris. 20 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:49,520 Right now, it's hosting a meeting of the Science Programme Committee, 21 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,920 the representatives of the 22 member states, who have to decide 22 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,600 what ESA's next mission will be. 23 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,600 ESA is building a new rocket that can carry two scientific 24 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,840 probes to space. 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,120 One of these missions has already been selected. 26 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,760 And now teams from all over Europe are fighting for the other spot. 27 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 It will be called an F-Class mission. 28 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,200 And although the F stands for fast, the mission itself 29 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,360 won't launch until 2028. 30 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,400 The agency received 23 proposals covering everything from exploring 31 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,600 an asteroid to high-energy astrophysics. 32 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,360 Each one could transform our view of the universe. 33 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,560 They can only pick one. 34 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,760 And by lunchtime today, we think we'll have a winner. 35 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,640 This will be the first F-Class mission that ESA has announced. 36 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,080 They're designed to be smaller, lighter and cheaper 37 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,760 than their usual missions, 38 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,760 to test innovative ideas and different concepts. 39 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,800 Now, we say cheap - 40 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,120 this mission is due to cost around 150 million euros. 41 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,280 And it has to meet some pretty tight specifications, too, 42 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,840 including weighing less than 1,000kg. 43 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,160 If it meets these requirements, ESA will cover the costs of building 44 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,640 the spacecraft and launching it on an Ariane rocket. 45 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,400 And although ESA doesn't know which mission they'll launch yet, 46 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,880 they do know where the spacecraft will be positioned, 47 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,800 at a very specific point in space. 48 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:26,160 As we all know, the Earth goes around the sun in what is pretty 49 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,600 close to a circular orbit. 50 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,840 But around this orbit there are some very interesting locations. 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,120 They're called Lagrange points. 52 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Lagrange points occur because of the way the forces 53 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,800 of gravity and orbiting bodies interact. 54 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,080 Anything that finds itself in one of these locations will stay 55 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,600 there in a fixed position relative to the Earth, 56 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,600 as they all go around the sun. 57 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,360 Let's start with Lagrange point one. 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,800 That sits in here, 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,280 about 1.5 million km away from the Earth. 60 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Now this is the ideal position for a solar observatory, 61 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,520 because it has an uninterrupted view of the sun 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,840 as the Earth orbits the sun. 63 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Next we have Lagrange point four 64 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,520 and Lagrange point five. 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,880 They sit at an angle of 60 degrees ahead of the Earth 66 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,760 and behind the Earth. 67 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Despite being millions of kilometres away from the sun and Earth, 68 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,520 objects here will stay in a fixed position relative to the Earth, 69 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,040 as it orbits the sun. 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,640 Next we have L3. 71 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,720 That sits all the way over here, on the other side of the sun. 72 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,160 It is permanently out of view of the Earth 73 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,960 and a long, long way away from the Earth, 74 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,480 so we don't do much out here. 75 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,640 But that brings me to L2. 76 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:52,520 This point sits 1.5 million km away from the Earth 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,600 and it has unobscured views of deep, dark space. 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,680 It's unobscured by the Earth, it's unobscured by the sun 79 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,240 and any of the inner planets. 80 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,680 And it's at this location that ESA wants to put its first F-Class mission. 81 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Lagrange point two is a perfect place to study the wonders 82 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,400 of deep space. 83 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,640 And this F-Class mission won't be alone on its journey, 84 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,640 it will be piggybacking on another mission, sharing the same rocket. 85 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,800 The Ariel Exoplanet Atmospheres mission is already being planned 86 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,800 at University College London. 87 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,280 Its principal investigator is Professor Giovanna Tinetti. 88 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,840 Giovanna, we're here to talk about your latest mission, Ariel. 89 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,360 But before that, is it weird having an interloper, 90 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,560 someone piggybacking on your rocket? 91 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,920 Well, it's not weird. 92 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,160 It's actually fantastic. 93 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,560 I'm really delighted about that idea, because you see 94 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 we were having all these, um, 95 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,560 big rockets just for ourselves and a lot of empty space, 96 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,240 and so, finally, we can fill this empty space with a great mission. 97 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,920 So, I'm looking forward to the selection of that mission. 98 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,800 So, now, let's focus a bit more on Ariel itself. 99 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,880 What is Ariel designed to do? 100 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,320 Ariel's going to look at the atmospheric composition 101 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,400 and the weather for about 1,000 planets in our own galaxy. 102 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,880 So, we are very excited about that. 103 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,440 But how is it going to work? 104 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,720 How is it going to measure these exoplanet atmospheres? 105 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,800 Maggie, if I can ask you to hold this up. 106 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,680 OK, this lamp will be the light from the star. OK. 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,040 And typically, the star has a planet that is orbiting around it. 108 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,520 When the planet is passing in front of the star it is basically masking 109 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,920 some of the light. 110 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,240 And when that happens, then we can work out how big is the planet 111 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,520 compared to the star, which is great. Yes. 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,520 But we want to do even more. 113 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,440 And that's where Ariel comes in. 114 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 To measure the different gases in the atmosphere at these 115 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,440 distant worlds, Ariel will use an instrument called a spectrograph. 116 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,120 What we'll do with a spectrograph is to look at the light from the star 117 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,800 and split the light into colours or wavelengths. 118 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Which is what we see here? Exactly. 119 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,040 So, this is the spectrum of the star. Yeah. 120 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,480 And then we wait for the planet to pass in front of the star. 121 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,400 And when that happens, the planet has an atmosphere with some molecules 122 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,240 and each molecule will absorb a different colour in a different way. 123 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,040 And, you know, what is quite incredible is that every molecule, 124 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,360 every atom has its own unique signature. 125 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,200 And that's why we can find out, then, what is the composition, 126 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,520 what is the chemistry of our planet. 127 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,160 So if you see the same fingerprint of a chemical that we've measured 128 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,160 here on Earth, in that spectrum, you'll know that that chemical 129 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,400 exists in that atmosphere? Absolutely. 130 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,920 So, how long until we get those first results? 131 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 So, both Ariel and the other mission will be launched in 2028, 132 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,320 and then we need to wait about six months before they really arrive 133 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,080 where they're supposed to be. At least in the case of Ariel, 134 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,000 we will start to get spectra, and so we will start 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,040 about six months after launch. 136 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,440 So, we're talking a ballpark figure of ten years 137 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,800 before we start getting results? 138 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,000 It's a long time. I know, I know. 139 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,080 But actually, if you talk to the engineers who are really building 140 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,200 and doing the hard job of building the spacecraft and the payload, 141 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,480 then they will tell you the ten years is not really such a long time. 142 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,640 Well, I think we should put a date in the calendar for ten years' time, 143 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,840 so we can come back and speak to you and find out about 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,520 the amazing results Ariel's discovered. 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,760 I look forward to it. 146 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,400 It was only last year that ESA invited scientists to pitch 147 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,760 their ideas for a space mission to launch 148 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,200 in the rocket alongside Ariel. 149 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,680 It was a galvanising call - 150 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:48,240 23 proposals from all over Europe were submitted, 151 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,840 each proposing different areas of outer space to explore. 152 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,200 Following an intensive selection process, 153 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,040 these have been whittled down to five finalists, 154 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,320 and two of them originate from this unlikely looking 155 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,040 British Space Centre, deep in the Surrey countryside. 156 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,040 We asked Lucie Green to meet the teams. 157 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,400 This is the Mallard Space Science Laboratory or MSSL to its friends. 158 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,920 It's a Department of UCL and for over 50 years 159 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,600 it has been at the cutting edge of space science. 160 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,600 I've been working at MSSL for over 15 years, 161 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360 and now two of my colleagues are in with a chance 162 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,120 to launch their ideas into space. 163 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,720 The first team is led by Professor Geraint Jones. 164 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,760 His mission is called the Comet Interceptor. 165 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,920 Hi, Lucie. 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,960 Congratulations on being shortlisted. Thank you, yeah. 167 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,520 Tell me about Comet Interceptor and what the aims are for the mission. 168 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,000 OK. As its title suggests, we want to go to a comet, 169 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,200 but unlike previous missions, we want to go to a comet 170 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,920 that we don't know about yet. 171 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,720 So, one that's coming in towards the sun for the very first time. 172 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,640 We've visited comets before, 173 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,600 so why is it so important that we visit another one? 174 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,320 So, from previous comet missions we've learnt a huge amount, 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,040 so Giotto to Halley, Rosetta to Churymov-Gerasimenko. 176 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,960 So, there have been big advances in our understanding, 177 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,600 but the comets that have been visited by spacecraft up to now 178 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,120 have all been past the sun many times. 179 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Each time they pass close to the sun, the ices on the surface 180 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,040 get heated, they change and they also get covered in this layer of dust 181 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 that falls back down onto the nucleus. 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,000 So, we'd like to see a pristine one coming in from the outer solar 183 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,920 system for the very first time. 184 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Why is it so important for you to get to a pristine comet 185 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:48,720 that hasn't had any of this processing? What does it tell us? 186 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,560 So the expectation is that if we can visit one of these objects 187 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:57,320 that hasn't been processed, so one that was around when the proto 188 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,240 planetary disc was here, before the planets were formed, 189 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,320 but was ejected out of the solar system into what's known 190 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,480 as the Oort cloud, this huge cloud of icy objects stretching 191 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,760 all the way out to roughly halfway to the nearest star, 192 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,040 if we can visit one of those objects, we will truly see 193 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,040 what the original material was like when the planets were being formed. 194 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,280 But getting a good view of a comet is going to take some clever 195 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,920 manoeuvring and camerawork. 196 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,160 PhD Student George Brydon is working on this. 197 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Now you've been involved in the mission since the start, 198 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,880 how is the spacecraft going to work? 199 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,520 So the spacecraft sits at L2, 200 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,800 while telescopes search for a suitable comet, 201 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,840 and then, once one's found, it will head off and intercept it. 202 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,000 When it reaches the comet, a few days before the flyby, 203 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 it splits into separate spacecraft. 204 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,120 They pass by the comet, but they take slightly different paths, 205 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,000 so they get a different view. 206 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,600 The advantage of this is that, because you've got spacecraft 207 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,520 from different points, you're able to learn more 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,960 about the structure of the comet. 209 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,600 And what data will be collected on these flybys? 210 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Particular interest, I think, is the large number of cameras 211 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,960 onboard this spacecraft. 212 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,000 And so the blue spacecraft that gets close 213 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,040 actually has a camera onboard that's able to scan the whole sky. 214 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,640 Similar in a way to this commercial 360-degree camera we have here. 215 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,160 So, we have several snapshots passing through the comet. 216 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,200 Using those and the data from the other cameras as well, 217 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,720 we'll be able to reconstruct in 3-D 218 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,720 the nucleus itself, and also the gas and dust jets coming off it. 219 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,160 So, if we get selected and we gather the data, 220 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,400 then we can imagine putting on a VR helmet and actually looking it 221 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,600 down towards the nucleus and see the gas and the dust coming off 222 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,960 this object, which is boiling away for the first time 223 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,040 after being formed billions of years ago. 224 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,240 And how are you feeling? The decision is imminent. 225 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Nervous, yeah. 226 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,480 If we're not selected, um, 227 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,920 it will of course be disappointing. 228 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,760 But we have a mission concept, 229 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,600 which I'm sure we'll be proposing again in the future. 230 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Well, fingers crossed. 231 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,120 Thank you. 232 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,360 The atmosphere here is tense, 233 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,880 as situated down the hall from the Comet Interceptor team sits 234 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,840 the competing British mission 235 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,720 that's amongst the final five on the short list. 236 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,040 A mission called Debye, led by Professor Rob Wicks. 237 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Debye plans to study how energy is transferred 238 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,200 out in the vacuum of space. 239 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,680 The big question we're trying to answer is how does heat 240 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:33,120 travel around in outer space and in the universe? 241 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,840 So, here in the atmosphere, if I lit a candle over here 242 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,320 and it got warmer where you are, 243 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,040 that heat has got to you through conduction and convection, 244 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,520 and that is molecules bumping into each other in the air. 245 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,880 In space, that doesn't happen. It's a vacuum. 246 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Collisions between electrons and protons, or other bits of the gas, 247 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,840 don't happen very often. 248 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,320 So something else has to pass that energy from electron to electron 249 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,000 to transfer the heat from here to there. 250 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 How does the Debye mission help us with that question? 251 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,160 So this is an electron detector that you would typically use 252 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,600 on a space mission. 253 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,920 And here is a tiny little gap in this detector 254 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,040 and an electron can enter there. 255 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,920 And then, I can open this, in here... 256 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,560 ..we can supply an electric field in this instrument, to the sphere, 257 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,040 and that will then deflect an electron when it comes in 258 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,800 and the electron will be bent down, 259 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,440 until it hits a detector down here on this plate. 260 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,080 And that tells you then about the properties of the electrons. 261 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,760 It's very challenging to do this measurement, 262 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,280 because the electrons are so light. 263 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,880 So you've got your electron measurements, 264 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,200 and then you need to, what, join the dots with the other data 265 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,440 that you're collecting from the spacecraft to understand 266 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,440 what's heating the plasma? 267 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,160 So what we're going to measure is, simultaneously, the electrons 268 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,200 themselves, the magnetic fields and the electric fields 269 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,680 in the plasma. 270 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,640 So, if I deposited a lot of energy in one place, the electrons 271 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,120 over here get hot, what they also do is they make electric fields 272 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,920 and they make magnetic fields. 273 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,640 The mission is to look for a small population of electrons 274 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,760 that are going a bit faster or a bit slower 275 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,040 than they should be. 276 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,480 And at the same time, 277 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,720 we'll look for a little wave in the magnetic field, 278 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,000 and a little wave in the electric fields. 279 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,760 If we see those things at the same time, 280 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,640 we can say that wave has scattered 281 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,800 or collided with those electrons 282 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,800 and caused them to be moved around. 283 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,800 The decision's not far off now. 284 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Are you feeling nervous? A little bit, yeah. 285 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,680 It's actually a lot like waiting for your A level results. 286 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Daniel and I worked together very closely, with more than 120 people 287 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 across Europe to put this proposal together, 288 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,360 and so, no matter what happens tomorrow, 289 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,880 I'm happy with what we've done. 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,600 I think we've done ourselves proud. 291 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Here in Paris, whilst the committee is working hard to make 292 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,280 a final decision, there's nothing anyone can do but wait. 293 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,000 ESA's science programme costs each of us a euro a year. 294 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,360 It's not much, but we can't fund everything, 295 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,000 so hard decisions have to be made. 296 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,080 And two British suggestions illustrate the diversity of ideas 297 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,360 that's out there. 298 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,040 You don't get much more different, after all, between a fundamental 299 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,840 physics mission, and a trip to a comet. 300 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,600 So how do you choose? 301 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,800 How do you pick the one mission with the star quality to succeed? 302 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,120 To find out, I sat down with Dr Fabio Favata, 303 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Head of ESA's Strategy Planning and Coordination Office. 304 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,080 One founding principle of the ESA Science Programme 305 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,960 is that all of our science choices, science priorities, 306 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:39,000 science selections are done by a peer review committee, 307 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,960 by a committee of scientists... By other scientists? 308 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,960 By other scientists that don't work for ESA. 309 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,120 They're selected from the community for their, of course, 310 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,120 seniority, for their competence, 311 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,680 and they make the final scientific selection. 312 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Yeah, but how do you pick from such a diverse set of options? 313 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,160 You could go to Mars, or look at an asteroid, 314 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,840 or study the High Energy Universe. 315 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,440 Those don't feel like the same kind of thing. 316 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,920 How do you compare such different missions? 317 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,760 The proposals that make it to the final shortlist, usually, 318 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,000 are all so good, they all deserve implementation. 319 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,040 So it's a very frustrating activity for the members 320 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,520 of the peer review committee. 321 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,080 Yet it's a choice that we have to make, because of the resource 322 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,240 limitations, and we can only afford to fly one mission 323 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,360 at the current time. 324 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,560 Well, let's talk about this Fast mission. 325 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,880 This didn't exist a couple of years ago, 326 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,120 the idea that you'd fly this mission. 327 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,600 Can you tell us how that idea came about? 328 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,120 One was the fact that, you know, 329 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:34,120 the European rocket launcher programme is evolving. 330 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,040 Ariane 6 is more powerful than the previous option, 331 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,520 and so we've been designing missions for a certain size, 332 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,360 and now we've discovered that we can carry more. 333 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:48,040 So we said, "Can we implement faster a smaller mission 334 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,360 "that allows us to take benefit of this?" 335 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,360 So there's a meeting downstairs to make this decision. 336 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,040 What do you think will come out of it? I don't know. 337 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,040 All I can tell you is that the leading contenders are so good 338 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,080 that there certainly will be a mission that I'm sure 339 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,440 will be exciting, and we'll be happy to discuss whatever choice will be 340 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,720 in the future. We'll come back and talk to you when we know 341 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,040 what the mission's going to be. It would be a great pleasure. 342 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Luckily, you don't need to be selected for a space mission 343 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,480 to gaze out into the night sky. 344 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,840 This month, we're going to observe one of its most 345 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,120 spectacular sights - Jupiter. 346 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,720 Jupiter is currently very low in the UK sky. 347 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,320 In fact, it's almost as low as it can possibly get 348 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,200 in the sky itself. 349 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Now, that means the observational window for us is pretty short, 350 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,800 but if you've got a telescope and use a bit of magnification, 351 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,120 you can see plenty of detail on Jupiter's disc. 352 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,920 Now, the skies are a bit cloudy at the moment, but hopefully 353 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,320 we will get some clear gaps where I can see Jupiter, 354 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,920 and if it does appear, I'm going to grab it 355 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,520 with my 14-inch telescope. 356 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,920 You don't really need a massive telescope to do this, 357 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,520 but I want to get in nice and close, so we get a good picture of it. 358 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,080 And I've got a high frame rate camera. 359 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,560 I'm also using an infrared filter, that helps to steady the image. 360 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,320 What remains is for us to wait and hope that the cloud gaps 361 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,960 come over in time. 362 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,200 Jupiter's atmosphere appears as segregated bands of gas, 363 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,680 so we'll be looking out for belts on its disc. 364 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,400 But viewing conditions are far from ideal. 365 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,680 I can see Jupiter, 366 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,880 so we have got a gap in the clouds. 367 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,400 First thing you notice with Jupiter is you get a disc 368 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,040 which looks squashed, because it's a fast-rotating gas planet. 369 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,600 So it expands at the equator, and it looks squashed at the poles, 370 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,760 but you can see that Jupiter's definitely banded. 371 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 As the planet rotates, you get these vicious jet streams, 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,120 basically dragging material round, creating this banding effect. 373 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:03,480 But we have got something, which is really good. 374 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,200 Another sight to behold is the four moons that orbit the planet - 375 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,880 Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto. 376 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Tonight, we hope to observe the transit 377 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,640 of Jupiter's largest moon. 378 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,400 I can see Ganymede very close to the edge of Jupiter. 379 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,080 It's about to just head off as Jupiter ends the transit. 380 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,520 Now, a bit later on, the shadow of Ganymede will start to cross 381 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,200 the disc as well, so that will give us a Ganymede shadow transit. 382 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,640 And that's actually a much easier thing to see, because it's 383 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,880 a dark shadow, it's very large, and it stands out really well 384 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,760 against Jupiter's bright disc. 385 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,840 Unfortunately, clouds stopped me from observing the shadow transit... 386 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,000 It's gone again. 387 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,480 ..but what is it that transits can tell us? 388 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,880 Ganymede or its shadow passes across Jupiter's discs, 389 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 so a tiny amount of light is blocked from the planet, 390 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,440 and it's possible to measure that minute dimming of Jupiter, 391 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,640 and work out that there's something in orbit around it. 392 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,800 This is similar to a method used to find exoplanets - 393 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,560 by observing a distant star and looking out 394 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,480 for a reduction in light. 395 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,400 And if that dimming happens for a fixed length of time, 396 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,600 at regular intervals, then it's probably due to a planet. 397 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,600 As we know, the aerial mission will be studying exoplanets, 398 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,280 and to do this accurately, 399 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,120 the team at UCL will need to know the precise transit time 400 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,960 of the exoplanets across their stars. 401 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,280 And this is where amateurs can get involved, 402 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,920 because Ariel is planning to bring together individuals 403 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,720 with all different sizes of telescopes to create a network 404 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,480 dedicated to the observing of exoplanet transits. 405 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,360 Now, these observations will help refine the data about the planets 406 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,000 and their orbits, paving the way for Ariel 407 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,120 to characterise their atmospheres. 408 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,840 More details of how to get involved can be found 409 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,880 on the Ariel Mission website. 410 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,600 It's decision day. 411 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,200 Which one of the missions will be chosen to be launched 412 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,720 on ESA's latest rocket? 413 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,680 The leaders of both UK teams are not in Paris. 414 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,880 They're actually in the same presentation, 415 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,640 in the same room at UCL, 416 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,560 anxiously waiting for news. 417 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,880 A little nervous. I did get some sleep last night, 418 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,800 but I woke up incredibly early. 419 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,360 Rob and Daniel are in the room here with me as well, 420 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,520 so we've got a day of listening to project talks today. 421 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Hopefully, at some point, we'll hear the news. 422 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,960 It's a nail-biting morning, but at two o'clock, 423 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,720 the moment they've been waiting for finally arrives. 424 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,480 Er... Yeah, just received an e-mail from ESA, 425 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,000 confirming the Comet Interceptor has been recommended 426 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,280 for further study. 427 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,080 So, um... 428 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Yeah, quite a relief. 429 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,440 If all goes well from here on, then it will keep us busy 430 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,000 for between 12 and 15 years into the future. 431 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,320 So should keep me busy all the way to retirement, I think. 432 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,680 HE LAUGHS 433 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720 In Paris I caught up with Chris Lee, 434 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,200 the UK's man on the committee. 435 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560 So, you're just out from the meeting. 436 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,040 We hear a decision has been made. What happened? 437 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,280 Right, so, Comet Interceptor has been selected. 438 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,760 Oh, that's good news. 439 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,600 And that's a British-led mission as well. 440 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,680 What we really wanted with the F mission was something 441 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,640 that was innovative, something that put technology together 442 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,040 in really interesting ways. 443 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,400 And the thing I think we all agreed in the meeting was that 444 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,400 Comet Interceptor came up with a really imaginative approach 445 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,240 of using existing solutions for instrumentation and spacecraft, 446 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720 but put together in a package we'd never seen before, 447 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,720 and which will be very fast. 448 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,640 We have to move quickly, because we already have a mission 449 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,320 that's going to go. That's Ariel? That's the Ariel programme. 450 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,560 And so it's the ride that joins the Ariel initiative, 451 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,200 and the clock is ticking already. 452 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800 What are the next stages that this mission will go through? 453 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080 It's got approval today. What happens next? 454 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040 OK, so, first of all, it was a genuine competition, 455 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,600 so it's won because of science merit, 456 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760 but what we now need is a detailed study to work out exactly 457 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840 what the technology needs to be, what the instrument needs to offer, 458 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,200 what the spacecraft needs to address, 459 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,840 and then we will get a costed proposal, and it's at that point, 460 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,160 the mission is what we call "formally adopted". 461 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,440 And that will be around November 2020. 462 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,320 What does that mean for the UK Space Agency in the UK? 463 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Well, first of all, it means we have to pay for it. 464 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,880 So, the thing that we have to try and emphasise to people 465 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,280 is that our investment in ESA pays for the spacecraft, 466 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,320 pays for the launch, pays for the operations, 467 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,360 but we actually pay for the instruments ourselves 468 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:52,440 through the national programme, so it's a partnership. 469 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600 Like the cameras, and the things that will do the science? 470 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,320 Absolutely. So yes, it's led by the UK, but we have to recognise 471 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,840 it's a strong European project. 472 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,600 So these are European missions, 473 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,840 but both Ariel and Comet Interceptor, now, 474 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,680 are UK-led missions. 475 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040 Why do these missions get people excited? 476 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,400 Well, I think it's important to realise that we are 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,120 a UK Space Agency for science, as well as for industry and economics. 478 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,280 So from our point of view, it's great to have a motivational 479 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,760 programme from a space science perspective, because we are living 480 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,520 in a golden age of European space science, and we can show that 481 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,920 the UK's not only being involved in the building of the spacecraft, 482 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760 but actually contributing to the reason you're flying it 483 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,040 in the first place. 484 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640 Well, it's a good story, and I hope we'll come back to it 485 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 again and again in the years leading up to and after launch. 486 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Chris, thank you very much. 487 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,720 Thanks, Chris. 488 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,160 Geraint can't wait to share the exciting news with his mission 489 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,600 co-leader, Dr Colin Snodgrass, from the University of Edinburgh. 490 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,120 Hi, Colin. Hi. 491 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,360 I guess you got the same e-mail as I just did. 492 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,720 Yes, very good e-mail to get. Yeah. Exciting news. 493 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Huge relief, so, yeah, sorry we're not in the same place 494 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,640 to share the news, but somewhere out there, 495 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,560 beyond the orbit of Pluto, 496 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,640 there's something approaching the sun, 497 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,720 and we don't know about it yet, but hopefully we'll get to see it. 498 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840 OK, I'll speak to you again later. 499 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,640 Thanks for all your help with this. 500 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,560 Yeah, thanks a lot. See you. 501 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,320 All right. Bye. Bye. 502 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,080 Congratulations. Thanks very much. Very well deserved. Well... 503 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,600 The other team has taken the news graciously, 504 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,880 but ESA's announcement wasn't all bad news for the Debye mission. 505 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,800 So I've just received an e-mail saying that the first-choice mission 506 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,400 is Comet Interceptor, and the second choice, and a backup 507 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840 if Comet Interceptor runs into trouble, is Debye - my mission. 508 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,720 So, a fantastic result. 509 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,800 Obviously we'd rather be number one, but if you can't be 510 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200 number one, you better be number two, and that's what we've done. 511 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040 So, a great result for UCL, 512 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,480 great result for Mars Space Science Laboratory, 513 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,120 and I couldn't be... Well, I could be slightly happier, 514 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,920 but I'm not unhappy. 515 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,240 Considering that we started from scratch last year, 516 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 with a completely new mission concept, that's very exciting, 517 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,960 very good news for us. 518 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240 Of course, if ESA needs us at any point, we will be ready. 519 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,480 We won't throw away the mission concept, and maybe we'll find 520 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,840 another home for this proposal, but at this point, 521 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,560 it's really just a great result. 522 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,000 We're very happy. 523 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,280 It's been an exciting day for UK space science. 524 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,120 In 2028, ESA will propel two British scientific probes 525 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,680 out beyond Earth's orbit, to make discoveries about exoplanets 526 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,360 and the origins of the solar system. 527 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,120 Congratulations to the Comet Interceptor team, 528 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,240 and we'll look forward to following their progress 529 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,680 on The Sky at Night, as they head towards launch. 530 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,680 That's all we've got time for this month, but do join us again 531 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,160 for the next programme, where we'll be finding out about 532 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,760 the latest research into exoplanets. 533 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,440 Also, in the autumn, we'll be holding The Sky At Night 534 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,480 Question Time, where Pete, Chris, myself and some selected 535 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,080 special guests will be answering your questions 536 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,160 in front of a studio audience. 537 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 So if you've got a question you'd like to put to the team, 538 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,960 send it in to... 539 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Until then, goodnight. 46724

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