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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,928 --> 00:00:14,407 Perhaps the best way to understand the stoic surface 2 00:00:14,431 --> 00:00:15,557 of Japanese culture 3 00:00:15,974 --> 00:00:17,350 is by riding the subway. 4 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:21,270 It's quiet. 5 00:00:22,772 --> 00:00:23,772 Polite. 6 00:00:24,357 --> 00:00:25,442 Restrained. 7 00:00:25,942 --> 00:00:28,153 The next station is Akihabara. 8 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:30,822 There's a system. 9 00:00:30,905 --> 00:00:32,675 The doors on the left side will open. 10 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:33,700 An order. 11 00:00:34,117 --> 00:00:36,327 So how does a culture like this... 12 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,997 create this? 13 00:00:56,181 --> 00:00:59,809 Earlier this year, I became immersed in something I knew nothing about. 14 00:01:00,852 --> 00:01:05,023 The dark, twisted, crazy world of anime... 15 00:01:08,318 --> 00:01:09,318 manga... 16 00:01:11,112 --> 00:01:12,489 and Japanese counterculture. 17 00:01:16,785 --> 00:01:21,247 Like many westerners, I thought of anime as an endless parade of Hello Kitties 18 00:01:21,331 --> 00:01:24,209 dressed as wide-eyed school girls, riding rainbow ponies. 19 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:26,753 Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome! 20 00:01:26,878 --> 00:01:29,130 If I kissed even a fraction of that much ass, 21 00:01:29,214 --> 00:01:30,548 I'd drown myself in shame. 22 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:33,819 ♪ Choke on my rage! ♪ 23 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:36,054 But it's often dark and outright fucked up. 24 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:40,517 ♪ Choke on my rage! ♪ 25 00:01:41,351 --> 00:01:43,937 Even Hollywood is influenced by anime. 26 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:46,189 And although I know nothing about it, 27 00:01:46,481 --> 00:01:49,692 I decided to teach myself, to become an anime expert. 28 00:01:50,443 --> 00:01:52,195 And maybe even a better filmmaker. 29 00:01:52,278 --> 00:01:54,155 Right? Right? 30 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:58,660 So, what is anime, really? 31 00:01:58,743 --> 00:01:59,863 Um... 32 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:00,911 Um... 33 00:02:00,954 --> 00:02:01,954 Um... 34 00:02:01,996 --> 00:02:04,225 Whether you're an anime newbie like me 35 00:02:04,249 --> 00:02:06,167 or an Otaku fan, you've probably wondered, 36 00:02:06,251 --> 00:02:08,378 "How the hell does anyone come up with this?" 37 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:11,297 Or this? 38 00:02:13,216 --> 00:02:14,467 Or especially... 39 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:16,385 this? 40 00:02:16,761 --> 00:02:19,097 Who are the creative and deranged brains 41 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:21,432 behind some of the most innovative anime out today? 42 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:24,227 In a culture where conformity rules, 43 00:02:24,561 --> 00:02:27,230 the popularity of this vibrant art might seem like a problem. 44 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:31,067 But could it be a solution? 45 00:02:31,901 --> 00:02:32,901 And to what? 46 00:02:34,028 --> 00:02:36,156 I went down the rabbit hole of anime clips 47 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:39,075 and, instead of finding answers, I got even more questions. 48 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:41,703 Sure, Netflix hired me to do this. 49 00:02:41,953 --> 00:02:43,663 But it wasn't just a job. 50 00:02:44,747 --> 00:02:46,082 It became an obsession. 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,918 I had to find anime's soul, 52 00:02:49,085 --> 00:02:53,173 tap into the genius minds that create it and look behind the veil. 53 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:56,301 This would be an epic anime quest. 54 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Exciting, right? 55 00:02:59,554 --> 00:03:02,015 Only problem is... I'm in LA, 56 00:03:02,098 --> 00:03:04,475 and I have no fucking idea how I'm going to do that. 57 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:09,814 See, it all started with Castlevania. 58 00:03:11,232 --> 00:03:14,694 It was so dark, twisted, and beautiful. 59 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:18,281 I couldn't help but wonder who would make such a thing? 60 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:21,283 So, I found him: 61 00:03:21,534 --> 00:03:23,536 the edgiest anime creator in LA. 62 00:03:24,078 --> 00:03:26,915 They call him the Quentin Tarantino of digital age. 63 00:03:27,582 --> 00:03:29,334 But who is Adi Shankar? 64 00:03:31,127 --> 00:03:33,213 The last thing I Googled was time travel. 65 00:03:33,504 --> 00:03:34,714 'Cause I'm a time traveler. 66 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:38,259 I'm from the future, I'm not from this timeline. 67 00:03:40,386 --> 00:03:42,639 How did Castlevania go from being a... 68 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:45,642 a beloved video game series that was kind of dead 69 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:48,102 to a Netflix show that became, like, a hit? 70 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:57,028 So I had this career making films. 71 00:03:57,111 --> 00:03:59,231 Some of them ended up in theaters, some did very well. 72 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:01,532 I wasn't really into the movies. 73 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:04,661 What I was really into was making fan films on the Internet. 74 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,705 There was a Power Rangers one and a James Bond one 75 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:09,832 that I released a week apart. 76 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:13,836 And, yeah, some of them went, uh, kind of nuclear viral. 77 00:04:14,170 --> 00:04:19,842 And it's been interesting, you know. I never looked at my career in this light, 78 00:04:20,343 --> 00:04:23,137 but then I had a rapper explain it to me this way. 79 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:25,666 He just called me up. He's like, "Yo, what up? It's Kanye." 80 00:04:25,723 --> 00:04:28,309 I'm like, "Huh, what? Hello?" Then we, like, met. 81 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:33,398 Rappers consider that my mixtape, which makes me feel very cool. 82 00:04:33,481 --> 00:04:36,025 Because I look at that as just fan films, which is less cool. 83 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:41,281 So, fan films led to Netflix tweeting at me. 84 00:04:41,364 --> 00:04:44,164 Yeah, actually there was a tweet, saying, "Hey, come in for a meeting." 85 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:48,663 And that directly led to Castlevania happening. 86 00:04:53,668 --> 00:04:55,503 When I was growing up, all the things I loved, 87 00:04:55,586 --> 00:04:58,381 I had no idea that other people liked any of it. 88 00:05:00,383 --> 00:05:02,778 It wasn't cool. You know, people would pretend they didn't... 89 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:05,346 Like people who liked it would pretend like they didn't like it. 90 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:09,058 And now, it's, like, people are cosplaying as Goku. 91 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:12,395 It's awesome. I mean, I literally have a power glove that I wear. 92 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:14,146 It lights up. 93 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,417 When I was growing up in Hong Kong, there would be, like, 94 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:20,236 this crazy, awesome anime on TV and it was never in English. 95 00:05:20,903 --> 00:05:23,990 So, like, I didn't know what was going on, but I loved the way it looked. 96 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:26,135 I was like, "Well, one day, we're gonna make our own, 97 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:29,912 and it's gonna look just like that." From the moment Netflix said, "Yes, 98 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:34,709 go make your crazy anime adaptation of this video game. 99 00:05:35,543 --> 00:05:36,711 Go do it, go for it..." 100 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:40,798 Then, uh, both Kevin and I, Kevin is my partner on the show, 101 00:05:40,882 --> 00:05:44,677 we kind of looked at each other. It had to be 2D. 102 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:49,307 It had to be that hand-drawn style, again that was an homage to those OVAs, 103 00:05:49,432 --> 00:05:53,102 those OVAs that I would watch on TV in Hong Kong that I loved 104 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:55,306 and I was like, "This is beautiful. It's an art form." 105 00:05:57,899 --> 00:05:59,984 My family says my work is very violent. 106 00:06:01,778 --> 00:06:02,778 It's very violent. 107 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:07,950 Uh, this is Mooshi. She's human, 108 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:10,203 so she, like, literally understands English. 109 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:16,542 I do always get this reaction and it kind of weirds me out. 110 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:20,296 Whenever people see Mooshi, they're like, "Is this your dog?" I'm like, "Yes." 111 00:06:20,922 --> 00:06:23,841 They're like, "You picked this dog? This wasn't a girlfriend's?" 112 00:06:23,925 --> 00:06:26,206 I was like, "No! This was, like, the dog I always wanted." 113 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:29,305 And they're like, "This is not..." I always get the same response. 114 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,766 "This is not the dog that I would see you with." 115 00:06:32,141 --> 00:06:34,936 And then I'm like, "What? What are you talking about? 116 00:06:35,019 --> 00:06:37,099 What kind of dog are you imagining me having? Like... 117 00:06:37,772 --> 00:06:39,023 what, like a Rottweiler? 118 00:06:39,273 --> 00:06:41,317 A German Shepherd? Like an attack dog? 119 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,945 Maybe a robot dog? Maybe, like, a demon dog? What?" 120 00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:53,162 Adi Shankar was a time traveler. 121 00:06:53,996 --> 00:06:56,058 I was starting to wish he could whisk me back in time 122 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:57,602 before I said I could make this movie. 123 00:06:59,877 --> 00:07:01,337 Okay. 124 00:07:02,004 --> 00:07:03,004 What is anime? 125 00:07:04,048 --> 00:07:05,299 This should be easy. 126 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:08,803 Or not. What is creativity? 127 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:11,514 How do people get ideas? 128 00:07:12,014 --> 00:07:13,850 Instagram isn't a waste of time, 129 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,810 it's inspiration. Right? 130 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:17,769 Right? 131 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:20,565 To know anime, we have to know its birthplace. 132 00:07:21,190 --> 00:07:23,234 How about a classic doc for inspiration? 133 00:07:27,071 --> 00:07:28,865 A country of beauty and variety... 134 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:31,325 where East meets West... 135 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:36,122 Mingling in modern dress, in city planning and in industry... 136 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:40,168 but where country life and customs still follow... 137 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:42,211 Or not. Terrible idea. 138 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:47,258 No. To know anime, we have to go to Japan... 139 00:07:49,177 --> 00:07:51,179 to face those deranged brains in person. 140 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:53,473 To meet the biggest names in the industry. 141 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:55,933 Tap into the source. The mother lode. 142 00:07:56,434 --> 00:07:58,227 What makes Japan its birthplace? 143 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:00,146 To understand anime, 144 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:02,732 we have to dive into the intricacies of Japanese culture 145 00:08:02,815 --> 00:08:04,400 and the nuance of its way of life. 146 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:06,360 How are we gonna do it? 147 00:08:06,611 --> 00:08:07,611 Food! 148 00:08:12,408 --> 00:08:13,493 Ooh... 149 00:08:18,831 --> 00:08:21,209 My favorite thing about Tokyo is the food. 150 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:24,545 I interviewed a fellow foodie, and anime creator, 151 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:26,797 who takes Japanese anime ingredients 152 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:30,218 and serves a completely cross-cultural anime dish. 153 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:32,220 Hello! I am Sam. 154 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:33,971 Nice to meet you. I'm Sam. 155 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:36,057 Hello! My name is Sam. 156 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,184 Hello there! My name is Sam. 157 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:40,311 Hello, my name is LeSean Thomas. 158 00:08:40,394 --> 00:08:41,646 Hi, I'm LeSean. 159 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:43,189 Hi, I'm LeSean Thomas. 160 00:08:43,272 --> 00:08:44,857 Hi, I'm LeSean. 161 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:46,400 Hi, my name is LeSean Thomas. 162 00:08:52,281 --> 00:08:56,744 After the dot-com crash in New York City, it was, uh, a difficulty finding work. 163 00:08:56,827 --> 00:09:00,498 So, I found myself, uh, jumping into freelance comic book illustration. 164 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:06,045 I think being around other artists and creatives who are... 165 00:09:06,462 --> 00:09:09,131 really good and better at things than I am really inspire me. 166 00:09:10,883 --> 00:09:12,677 I'm a big fan of collaboration, 167 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,905 which is why I'm attracted to the animation production. 168 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:17,557 I like working in a room full of really, really gifted people. 169 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:19,225 It forces me to keep my game up. 170 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:23,229 So I started off consuming Japanese animated TV shows 171 00:09:23,312 --> 00:09:26,899 through VHS tapes illegally recorded in locations in Chinatown. 172 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:28,818 And it was very niche at the time. 173 00:09:30,444 --> 00:09:33,205 I would say I took everything, a little bit of everything that I loved 174 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:34,615 to create Cannon Busters. 175 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:41,038 The music in Cannon Busters is, uh, a mix of jazz, philharmonic score and pop music. 176 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:42,665 ♪ Playing with fire ♪ 177 00:09:42,748 --> 00:09:46,836 Cannon Busters' style is influenced by an amalgamation of things 178 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:51,424 that I was consuming as a young kid in the '90s and in the early '80s. 179 00:09:51,507 --> 00:09:55,052 Road shows, adventure shows, Japanese role playing games, 180 00:09:55,136 --> 00:09:56,971 Final Fantasy, Secret of Mana. 181 00:09:57,054 --> 00:10:00,641 This project was a perfect opportunity to combine all those elements. 182 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,436 My favorite character for Cannon Busters is Sam, 183 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,022 which is an acronym for Special Associate Model. 184 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:09,025 And she's a royal, high-profile friendship robot. 185 00:10:09,108 --> 00:10:13,154 She's a bit OCD, she's pure, she only sees the good in people. 186 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:16,699 No, there are no characters in Cannon Busters that are based on me. 187 00:10:16,782 --> 00:10:20,119 I'm not really one of those creatives that puts myself in my work. 188 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:23,456 I quite like creating distance between myself and the audience. 189 00:10:24,081 --> 00:10:26,000 I feel like as an American, Japanese animation, 190 00:10:26,083 --> 00:10:30,254 as a medium, as an art form is a truly trans-genre medium. 191 00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:33,466 They have animation content for toddlers 192 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:37,928 to young boys and girls to teens to adults to porn. 193 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:40,973 I don't feel like an outsider, I feel like a visitor, 194 00:10:41,057 --> 00:10:42,558 a guest, if you will. 195 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:47,355 Japanese animation was my gateway to Japanese culture. 196 00:10:47,438 --> 00:10:50,358 It was the thing that I was absorbing since I was a kid 197 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:54,070 and I knew all about Tokyo through Japanese animation and comic books 198 00:10:54,528 --> 00:10:55,905 before I even visited here. 199 00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:10,336 Fun fact: Japan uses more paper to print manga, or Japanese comic books, 200 00:11:10,419 --> 00:11:12,213 than they do to make toilet paper. 201 00:11:13,381 --> 00:11:16,133 Either people in Japan need to up their fiber intake... 202 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:19,261 or that's a shit ton of comic books. 203 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:27,311 Anime, and manga that inspires it, aren't just pop culture, they define it. 204 00:11:28,145 --> 00:11:29,605 During the golden age of anime, 205 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:32,066 animators and manga artists were like kings. 206 00:11:33,150 --> 00:11:35,236 Or, to be more geographically appropriate, 207 00:11:35,319 --> 00:11:36,445 emperors. 208 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:38,823 Think of them as the king content creators. 209 00:11:38,906 --> 00:11:40,950 The Instagram celebs of yore. 210 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:43,494 But, you know, talented. 211 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,581 So how does manga become anime? 212 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:50,251 And how do these artists keep going under all the pressure? 213 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:53,379 I dropped in on an interview with Toshiki Hirano: 214 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:56,132 a veteran master in turning manga to anime... 215 00:11:56,632 --> 00:11:59,927 who gave me the golden key to solving this anime puzzle. 216 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:08,769 During the anime boom, animators were, how to put it... 217 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:12,898 not stars, but something like that. They were idolized. 218 00:12:13,524 --> 00:12:14,734 I am an animator in my roots. 219 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:17,963 I started as an animator and became a director among other things. 220 00:12:17,987 --> 00:12:20,364 Where do you begin creating anime? 221 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:22,491 People call them good scenes. 222 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:26,078 You first make scenes that become the keystones. 223 00:12:26,912 --> 00:12:30,124 For Baki, that's the fighters' special poses. 224 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:32,126 Stuff like that. 225 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:45,097 The best scenes in fighting are the KOs. 226 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:47,850 It just looks good when they have a clean execution. 227 00:12:48,225 --> 00:12:51,937 For anime, you first put images like that in your head 228 00:12:52,229 --> 00:12:53,773 and build around them. 229 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:57,818 Since I'm an animator, I first think about what I want to show the most. 230 00:12:57,902 --> 00:13:00,589 That's kind of how it goes. After that, I glue everything else to it. 231 00:13:05,534 --> 00:13:09,580 When you're creating film based on manga, 232 00:13:09,663 --> 00:13:12,249 breaking it apart and rebuilding is the way to go. 233 00:13:12,374 --> 00:13:16,712 But for Baki, we thought about sticking to the manga. That part was set in stone. 234 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,298 When did you decide to work in anime? 235 00:13:19,381 --> 00:13:21,884 I never wanted to work in anime. 236 00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:24,127 - You never wanted to? - I wanted to be a manga artist. 237 00:13:24,428 --> 00:13:25,428 Is that so? 238 00:13:30,684 --> 00:13:33,646 So do you often visit Mandarake shops? 239 00:13:33,729 --> 00:13:36,857 I go occasionally, as TMS is located in Nakano, 240 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,527 and there is a Mandarake shop there. 241 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,404 So it's like a mecca there. You have the studio, 242 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:45,032 and the original Mandarake nearby. 243 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:47,177 - Yes. - What do you look at there? 244 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:50,454 Well, I look at the figures and used books. 245 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,790 You see, there aren't that many bookstores nowadays. 246 00:13:52,873 --> 00:13:53,707 Indeed. 247 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:56,228 For manga, you have to go to manga shops to buy them. 248 00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:58,337 Or even look at them. So I just have to. 249 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,298 And the size of their archives is staggering. 250 00:14:02,299 --> 00:14:04,844 When do you come up with ideas? 251 00:14:04,927 --> 00:14:06,387 Usually in the shower. 252 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:10,724 Well, when you are, you can't take notes, can you? 253 00:14:10,808 --> 00:14:13,727 Right. So I hurry out to jot things down. 254 00:14:14,144 --> 00:14:16,689 - Oh, really? - Yes, or I'd forget. 255 00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:20,568 So you're drawing scenes buck naked...? 256 00:14:20,651 --> 00:14:24,530 Not really. I do dry myself. A quick work of the towel, then off with the pen. 257 00:14:24,655 --> 00:14:25,489 Rough sketches? 258 00:14:25,573 --> 00:14:29,702 - More like short memos. - Memos straight out of the shower. 259 00:14:29,785 --> 00:14:31,871 I'm used to being alone. 260 00:14:33,789 --> 00:14:36,166 What was the last word you Googled? 261 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,459 "Netflix." 262 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:52,850 And now you've become the director of Baki. 263 00:14:52,933 --> 00:14:56,979 So was it fun drawing Hanayama for the series? 264 00:14:57,062 --> 00:14:58,622 Hanayama doesn't have much screen time! 265 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:10,993 If you had to fight against one of those Death Row inmates, 266 00:15:12,494 --> 00:15:14,538 - who would you pick? - I can't fight. 267 00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:18,959 - They'd take me down instantly. - What is your favorite line from Baki? 268 00:15:19,043 --> 00:15:20,203 My favorite line from Baki... 269 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:21,503 "I don't give a fuck." 270 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:28,093 And there they were: the golden words of anime. 271 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:32,222 But unlike Baki, I did give a fuck. 272 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:33,515 I gave many fucks. 273 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,769 So I took to the streets to ask the fans. 274 00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:40,856 What drives them, what lures them to this crazy medium? 275 00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:43,859 I was worried that flying all the way to Tokyo 276 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:45,819 still wouldn't give me the answers I needed. 277 00:15:46,862 --> 00:15:50,741 But that's kind of the point of anime. To take risks. To listen to nobody. 278 00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:52,368 To abide by your own rules. 279 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:55,496 I wasn't gonna let a language barrier get in my way. 280 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:59,166 I'm immortal. Sushi like anime, what? 281 00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:01,710 Sorry, arigato. 282 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:14,807 Anime isn't one size fits all, just like Japan isn't. 283 00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:16,684 Japan is this: 284 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:21,605 But it's also this: 285 00:16:23,357 --> 00:16:24,357 Cool, right? 286 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,153 That's because Japanese anime subculture 287 00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:31,323 has bred even crazier, even more niche sub-subcultures. 288 00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:35,077 And when I say crazy, I mean crazy. 289 00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:41,333 Like rockabillies who dress like 1950's American greasers. 290 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:51,301 Or goths. 291 00:16:52,928 --> 00:16:53,928 Or Lolitas. 292 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:59,727 Or goth Lolitas. Or steampunk goth Lolitas. 293 00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:03,147 Yeah, you get the idea. 294 00:17:06,358 --> 00:17:07,359 Then there's jocks. 295 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:09,611 And, of course, metal heads. 296 00:17:10,154 --> 00:17:12,364 I'm sure death metal is... 297 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:17,619 created from an overdrive of rock elements to the limits. 298 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:24,418 It's abnormal... something abnormal. 299 00:17:24,501 --> 00:17:28,130 There's something like that in fashion too. It's called Gothic-Lolita. 300 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,384 Motorcyclists have those choppers. 301 00:17:32,968 --> 00:17:38,265 Every industry has its abnormalities. 302 00:17:38,348 --> 00:17:43,604 Such abnormalities go by their own rules. 303 00:17:43,687 --> 00:17:48,692 They liberate people bound by the mundane. 304 00:17:48,776 --> 00:17:54,782 That's their function in this world. 305 00:17:57,159 --> 00:17:59,079 So to test anime's limits, 306 00:17:59,453 --> 00:18:02,247 I interviewed three of Tokyo's edgiest outlaws. 307 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:24,478 There's a character in Durarara!! 308 00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:26,522 that talks using a smartphone. 309 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:29,691 I had thought it was adorable, 310 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:34,321 so I tried it myself when the perfect app for that came out. 311 00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,992 My previous comment was just a joke. 312 00:18:39,076 --> 00:18:41,703 I use an app because I injured my throat. 313 00:18:42,204 --> 00:18:46,625 I previously recorded my voice into the app for several hours, 314 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:50,420 and now the app converts the typed text into speech for me. 315 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,882 What is Kengan Ashura about? 316 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,510 Disputes and rules between companies 317 00:18:56,593 --> 00:18:59,638 are not fought directly, legal or otherwise. 318 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:05,185 Instead, each company hires fighters who settle things with combat. 319 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:08,772 It's a very simple story about violence and politics. 320 00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:13,110 Mr. Kishi first explained to me 321 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:18,282 that he wanted to create an entire series from just CG. 322 00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:24,204 Basically, the main component of Kengan Ashura are the fighters' bodies 323 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:27,291 so I think it was something like, 324 00:19:27,374 --> 00:19:29,710 "How about we draw muscles like how we draw armor?" 325 00:19:29,793 --> 00:19:31,044 I was sold. 326 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:35,924 Mr. Kishi said that when people were done watching Kengan Ashura, 327 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:39,094 he didn't want them to think they watched a CG movie 328 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,014 but feel they watched an ordinary Japanese anime. 329 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:43,937 He wanted visual expressions like regular anime 330 00:19:43,974 --> 00:19:45,454 so nobody would realize that it's CG. 331 00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:48,604 I believe that was his theme. 332 00:19:55,652 --> 00:19:58,322 This series is, in one word, about fighting. 333 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:01,200 It's uncommon for animation, so you could say it's unique. 334 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:02,534 My inspiration? 335 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:08,582 They really come to me when I'm least thinking about it. 336 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:11,960 I get ideas during everyday life, like when I'm taking a bath. 337 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,213 Ideas really spring to life during times like that. 338 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,721 I do work out at the gym. 339 00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:26,683 I do make an effort to go and work out. 340 00:20:29,144 --> 00:20:31,063 Japanese animation is a hand-made 3D art. 341 00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:33,626 That kind of animation is what the industry has developed into. 342 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:36,026 So I wanted to try it out for this series. 343 00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:39,154 About whether or not it's rough for my staff? 344 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,698 Well, it's rough. It really is tough for them. 345 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:45,077 They hand-create the art for each and every frame. 346 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,705 In that aspect, I feel the final project really screams out "Made in Japan." 347 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,540 I met all the martial artists 348 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,335 who participated for the first time with this project. 349 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,426 We all went to the original Gold's Gym in Los Angeles one morning. 350 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:04,179 When we did, we just happened to meet Schwarzenegger. 351 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,891 We were able to shake hands with him, and he okayed taking a picture with us. 352 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,449 We went to Anime Expo. 353 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:27,995 Our director went to Gold's Gym, and was able to meet Schwarzenegger. 354 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,913 Where were you at the time, Mr. Higa? 355 00:21:29,997 --> 00:21:31,915 At Gold's Gym, obviously! 356 00:21:41,883 --> 00:21:47,681 We actually have real martial artists fight out the combat scenes on this floor. 357 00:21:47,889 --> 00:21:50,809 We then take their footage as the base for drawing each frame of CG. 358 00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:54,730 We really had them punching and kicking. 359 00:21:54,938 --> 00:21:58,775 We then controlled the speed to make it look more awesome. 360 00:21:58,859 --> 00:22:01,778 We're creating the CG by hand. It's not motion-capture. 361 00:22:02,112 --> 00:22:04,948 We didn't put devices on the fighters like you do in motion-capture. 362 00:22:05,032 --> 00:22:07,034 We create each combat scene by hand. 363 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,369 That's the director's concept we're running with. 364 00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:15,417 What I don't like about our director... 365 00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:16,835 Well, he's a bit... 366 00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:20,380 How should I say this? What should I do? 367 00:22:21,256 --> 00:22:23,296 What I don't like is actually what I love about him. 368 00:22:25,385 --> 00:22:26,636 That man is just insane. 369 00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:29,848 Mr. Kishi really is insane. 370 00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:32,434 So everyone else around him starts becoming dumber and dumber. 371 00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:34,770 Children are waiting for our anime! 372 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:36,355 Sorry! Sorry! 373 00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:43,028 And give me a portrait. Uh, do you have a close-up? 374 00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:44,831 Seiji, Seiji! Telephone hello. 375 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:58,001 Nothing screams "Made in Japan" more than Toei Animation. 376 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:01,129 I had to go to the source to see how it all started. 377 00:23:01,421 --> 00:23:02,881 Toei is anime. 378 00:23:03,256 --> 00:23:05,550 The original. The birthplace of it all. 379 00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:07,094 It's for kids. 380 00:23:07,969 --> 00:23:10,889 It's the country's Disney, except instead of a mouse, 381 00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:12,974 they've got a cat. 382 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:14,184 Suck it, Disney. 383 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:17,270 If you were a kid in Japan, you were raised on Toei. 384 00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:27,572 Japanese animation, that is Toei Animation, 385 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:34,413 started right after Japan lost the war. It was based on Disney. 386 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:38,291 It was a brand-new industry. 387 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:42,170 It was a way to give kids hope after losing the war. 388 00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:45,757 That's how Toei Animation began. 389 00:23:58,645 --> 00:24:00,689 Yes, I'll definitely be watching. 390 00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:04,025 I've watched Toei Animation for a long time. 391 00:24:04,192 --> 00:24:08,113 For example, Slamdunk, Dragon Ball Z, Digimon. 392 00:24:08,196 --> 00:24:10,240 I do some illustrating myself, 393 00:24:10,615 --> 00:24:15,912 so I watch it like a student would, for my own drawings. 394 00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:21,018 Awesome move. 395 00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:24,296 Since they're making it with CGI, 396 00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:28,758 there might be some former fans who won't be able to accept it, 397 00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:33,597 but the way I see it, it's for the sake of the younger generation, 398 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,807 so I'm interested to see how it will turn out. 399 00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:41,229 That's why Toei Animation's target audience is always kids. 400 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,316 That's why they make anime that makes them happy. 401 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:47,110 And that's something they shouldn't stray from. 402 00:24:47,194 --> 00:24:54,159 I really love the phrase "Friendship, Effort, Victory." 403 00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:59,289 How to teach that to kids is where the love in anime is. 404 00:24:59,372 --> 00:25:01,374 That's radical. 405 00:25:05,086 --> 00:25:06,796 Do you have COSMO? 406 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:10,509 I'm already 70 so it's almost gone, but it's still there. 407 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:13,178 When a movie is done, 408 00:25:13,261 --> 00:25:18,934 or when I finish a TV show, I am liberated from stress. 409 00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:21,269 Until then, I'm a clump of stress. 410 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,981 I'd guess it's the COSMO that keeps me creating anime. 411 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,984 Seiya, burn your COSMO. 412 00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:31,071 ♪ Saint Seiya ♪ 413 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:34,449 ♪ Every young boy ♪ 414 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:35,867 ♪ Saint Seiya ♪ 415 00:25:35,951 --> 00:25:38,662 ♪ We will stand with you Till the end ♪ 416 00:25:38,745 --> 00:25:40,080 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 417 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:41,370 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 418 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:42,541 Something like this. 419 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,652 Music is a huge part of Japanese culture, 420 00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:53,760 and of anime. 421 00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:05,772 Anime shows are known for their crazy, over the top, rock operaesque theme songs. 422 00:26:05,855 --> 00:26:09,776 And anime fans everywhere go apeshit for their musical stylings. 423 00:26:10,318 --> 00:26:12,380 - It's Evangelion! Know this song? - Yes, yes. 424 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:14,298 - I can sing the song. - Can you sing it? Sing it! 425 00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:07,459 Music is everything to these fans. 426 00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:13,882 So next we found their muse. 427 00:27:31,441 --> 00:27:34,694 When I first heard the melody for "A Cruel Angel's Thesis", 428 00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,738 I thought, "Wow, this is such a difficult song!" 429 00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:45,288 I don't know how many times I've sung it, 430 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:47,374 but I think the count is in the tens of thousands. 431 00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:51,378 The audience reaction changes with each country, 432 00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:53,838 but they all sing in Japanese with me. 433 00:27:53,922 --> 00:27:55,965 They surprise me every time. 434 00:27:56,049 --> 00:28:00,679 Today's costume was again designed by my stylist Chica Hanashima. 435 00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,407 - What's your inspiration for the costume? - This time, it's a queen. 436 00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:04,599 Queen! 437 00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:29,290 I don't make that many phone calls before concerts, 438 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,876 but if I do, I call my daughter. 439 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,086 She's sleeping. 440 00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:34,504 I'm so sorry, my daughter... 441 00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:36,798 Oh, she hung up on me. 442 00:28:40,468 --> 00:28:42,846 My favorite episode in Evangelion is the final episode. 443 00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:48,852 I like the last episode of Evangelion, despite it having mixed reviews. 444 00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:50,603 Everyone has their opinion. 445 00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:53,773 I felt that those scenes were the most philosophical, 446 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:59,154 and for me, it felt like an awakening. 447 00:28:59,362 --> 00:29:01,364 That's why I like it. 448 00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:11,916 Philosophy in the song lyrics... 449 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,713 I think it depends on how you interpret them. 450 00:29:16,796 --> 00:29:20,967 In my head, the part, "Young man, become a myth" ultimately... 451 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,180 feels very profound as I sing it. 452 00:29:31,102 --> 00:29:33,605 Well, I'd like to call my manager now. 453 00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:35,023 Hello? 454 00:29:35,523 --> 00:29:36,524 Hello? 455 00:29:36,816 --> 00:29:37,816 Hello? 456 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:40,487 Where are you now? 457 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:42,029 I'm outside. 458 00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:44,783 Where is outside? 459 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,368 Eh? Outside is outside. 460 00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:50,747 - Do your best in the actual performance. - Yup, I'll do my best! 461 00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:53,211 - Bye. Take care. - Thank you. Bye. 462 00:30:05,553 --> 00:30:09,265 I never wanted to be a professional singer. 463 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,602 I get extremely nervous before going on stage. 464 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:32,807 As I was learning more and more about anime, 465 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,041 I was feeling like I knew less and less. 466 00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:39,629 Anime was originally for kids. So, I went back to the beginning. 467 00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:43,049 It's not a secret that Japanese have a thing for cuteness. 468 00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:45,468 After all, look at these kids. 469 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:47,720 And these cuties all love anime. 470 00:30:47,804 --> 00:30:49,180 What's your favorite anime? 471 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,766 Oh, yeah. Language barrier. 472 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,309 Doraemon. 473 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:54,853 Aikatsu Friends. 474 00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:56,604 Pretty Cure! 475 00:31:02,569 --> 00:31:05,047 - "Let's play again." - Oh, let's play again. 476 00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:06,656 Yes, I would love that. 477 00:31:07,115 --> 00:31:09,915 "Kawaii culture" literally translates to "cuteness culture." 478 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:14,914 But don't be fooled, it's not just for kids. 479 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:20,420 Like, did you know kawaii culture started in the '60s as the rebellion 480 00:31:20,503 --> 00:31:22,088 to adulthood and authority? 481 00:31:22,171 --> 00:31:24,382 That, in protest, students threw away their school books 482 00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,467 and read only manga? Yeah. 483 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:33,433 And now kawaii anime revolutionizes the anime form. 484 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:49,782 So cute! 485 00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:54,829 Such a big head! 486 00:31:56,706 --> 00:32:00,043 There are rumors that there's an old guy inside Rilakkuma. Just rumors, right? 487 00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:03,963 I've heard people say it might be Kaoru's father inside. 488 00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,341 Rumors, right? 489 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,650 This is how we go about creating stop-motion animation. 490 00:32:24,901 --> 00:32:28,404 The first thing we have to do is 491 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:31,032 assemble everything that appears on camera. 492 00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:35,328 First we make the puppets, create the artwork, create the rooms. 493 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:37,851 In this case, create the puppets for Rilakkuma and the humans. 494 00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:40,833 And then, we start moving the puppets. 495 00:32:45,004 --> 00:32:48,633 As for how long it takes to create stop-motion animation, 496 00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:54,430 it takes a whole day for a single animator to shoot ten seconds. 497 00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:59,018 I love the zipper on Rilakkuma's back. 498 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:10,613 The reason why Kaoru needs Rilakkuma 499 00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:17,620 is because he's so soft and warm, and I think she can't give him up. 500 00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:23,626 I don't think that Kaoru's really struggling in life. 501 00:33:23,876 --> 00:33:27,255 I think there's a time when every one of us 502 00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:29,799 feels like nothing's going right. 503 00:33:29,882 --> 00:33:34,679 So, I think it goes to show that Kaoru is just normal, 504 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:36,848 like the rest of us. 505 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,768 I think it's important to take it easy 506 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,354 because if you keep yourself too busy, 507 00:33:43,771 --> 00:33:48,735 you might end up forgetting to be nice to others. 508 00:33:49,068 --> 00:33:54,032 If you don't relax, food won't taste that good anymore. 509 00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:00,663 Mm. 510 00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:07,503 Sweet dumplings? I love sweet dumplings. 511 00:34:07,587 --> 00:34:09,338 My favorites are the ones 512 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:13,885 in a sweet-and-salty glaze of soy sauce and sugar. 513 00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:17,055 Those soy sauce ones are my favorites, too. 514 00:34:17,138 --> 00:34:19,140 I would love some. May I? 515 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:22,769 Please bring me some yummy dumplings, too. 516 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:36,699 In the script, we included the main events from each month 517 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:41,996 celebrated in Japan from April to March. 518 00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:44,707 About the seasons, 519 00:34:44,791 --> 00:34:51,547 we calculated the sun's position over 12 months to create the lighting. 520 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:55,093 We also used snow and cherry blossoms to illustrate the seasons. 521 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:02,517 I wanted everyone to be able to relate to her. 522 00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:07,063 This was the first time we used stop-motion animation 523 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:12,276 so I knew we could do things that we never could with live-action 524 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,240 so I wanted to let my imagination run wild, to explode, 525 00:35:17,323 --> 00:35:21,244 and have it lead me to a totally different world. 526 00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:38,070 Japanese culture revolves 527 00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:40,680 around the values of respect, honor and pride, 528 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:43,391 particularly pride in one's work. 529 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,644 Translation? 530 00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:49,772 Japanese people work hella hard. 531 00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:54,193 Maybe it's rubbed off. 532 00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:58,364 In Japan, I was working harder than ever to piece this film together. 533 00:35:59,907 --> 00:36:03,828 I had to squeeze out anime's essence, or be left behind forever. 534 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:11,335 I interviewed the creators of Aggretsuko, which revolts against office culture 535 00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:16,757 in a new deafening way by being both kawaii and edgy as hell. 536 00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:37,737 The name "Rarecho" is from my amateur days. 537 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:43,159 I was using it as my internet screen-name. It doesn't really mean anything. 538 00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:45,870 It's something I randomly came up with. 539 00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:50,541 And now that I'm 46, the fact that I still go by that name... 540 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:54,086 does make me think, "Well, isn't this a problem?" 541 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:08,100 I am the character designer, 542 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:13,648 who chooses how characters look and how they act in Aggretsuko. 543 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:19,528 I'm wearing this mask because... 544 00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:21,113 I'm a bit shy. 545 00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,332 When I first made my presentation to Sanrio, 546 00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:34,919 instead of voicing everything myself like I usually do, 547 00:37:35,002 --> 00:37:39,257 I asked my wife to voice the lead female instead. 548 00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:42,468 Sanrio fell in love with her voice and wanted her in the cast. 549 00:37:42,551 --> 00:37:45,137 I was like, "Really? Seriously? We're doing this?" 550 00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:46,764 My name is Retsuko. 551 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:51,602 25-years-old and single. A Scorpio, blood-type A. 552 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,233 Retsuko is made of many people's stories. 553 00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:02,488 She is a mixture of several people I know. 554 00:38:04,448 --> 00:38:07,368 An example of inspiration from experience, 555 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:11,747 take the story where Retsuko went to work wearing her sandals in episode one. 556 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:13,666 I've done that several times already. 557 00:38:16,335 --> 00:38:18,963 This was how Retsuko started out. 558 00:38:19,171 --> 00:38:26,012 Director Gori and Washimi were much more realistic. 559 00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:31,517 My body wasn't made to sing death metal. 560 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:38,941 I started singing because I didn't know anyone I could ask. 561 00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:41,861 So I thought, "Oh, well, guess I'll do it myself." 562 00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:45,740 I Googled how and practiced for a month. 563 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:53,122 "Death voice" isn't made for microphones like these. 564 00:38:56,959 --> 00:38:58,210 Tea. 565 00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:00,087 Excuse me? 566 00:39:00,671 --> 00:39:02,715 Why death metal? 567 00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:06,802 When my friend grunted while griping, it sounded like death metal. 568 00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:12,016 So, I thought death metal would fit right in. 569 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,061 That's why Retsuko started singing. 570 00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:18,481 The themes in Aggretsuko, 571 00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:22,526 like when Retsuko gets sick of serving tea, 572 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:28,199 have been in Japanese comedy for the past three decades. 573 00:39:28,282 --> 00:39:32,286 I was surprised people overseas found it funny. 574 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:36,874 But then with the recent #MeToo movement, 575 00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:42,380 perhaps the world hasn't evolved as much as I had thought. 576 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:46,342 It's part of your job, too. For the women, that is! 577 00:39:50,554 --> 00:39:54,642 Shitty boss! 578 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,025 If I had free time... 579 00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:06,737 I would like to sleep. 580 00:40:07,863 --> 00:40:10,699 Last thing I Googled? I think that would be an "ego-search." 581 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:11,866 My own name. 582 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:17,748 But, well, since you can skip intros and endings on Netflix, 583 00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:20,501 not many people know who I am. 584 00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:34,390 ♪ End of the world, karaoke all alone Heal all the pain from my office job ♪ 585 00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:43,107 ♪ Choke on my rage! ♪ 586 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:50,614 I was starting to feel like I was losing my track, 587 00:40:51,365 --> 00:40:53,868 getting caught in Japan's contradictions. 588 00:40:54,326 --> 00:40:58,456 How do we get anime like Aggretsuko, loud, aggressive, and gritty, 589 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:02,835 when, seemingly, Japan is literally the least gritty place I've ever been? 590 00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:09,341 To say Japan is clean would be an understatement. 591 00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:10,425 It's pristine. 592 00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:12,969 There's no litter, 593 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,347 which is impressive enough, until you realize 594 00:41:15,431 --> 00:41:17,641 there aren't even any public trash cans. 595 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:20,978 And Tokyo isn't just clean. 596 00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:22,729 It's green. 597 00:41:23,063 --> 00:41:25,566 Maybe that's also what drives this art form. 598 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,526 Anime does tackle big issues, 599 00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:31,405 like climate change, technology, the apocalypse, utopia, 600 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,741 flora and fauna mutation, and crabs. 601 00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:35,868 Giant man-eating crabs. 602 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:39,663 There's even an anime with all of the above. 603 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,333 Oh, and girl power. 604 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,674 7SEEDS is about a world where humans went extinct 605 00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:52,426 from catastrophic natural disasters. 606 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:11,403 The connection between the world of 7SEEDS and our own? 607 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:13,531 Actually, the conditions are different, 608 00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:19,119 but I feel similar things are happening in our world and their world. 609 00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:21,872 During the creative process, 610 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:25,793 as we draw out how the protagonists behave, 611 00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:29,922 and as I'm directing their movements, it felt like this was actually present day 612 00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:34,552 and that their situation was similar to the one that we've been put into. 613 00:42:45,187 --> 00:42:49,650 I think it's a great series with characters that stand out. 614 00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,278 7SEEDS is a really interesting series! 615 00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,029 I really love 7SEEDS! 616 00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:56,073 7SEEDS is so interesting! It's the best! 617 00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:58,450 7SEEDS! 618 00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:03,581 The reason why 7SEEDS is so popular among females 619 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:08,502 is because each female character is powerful in different ways 620 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,172 and the male characters can be either kind or strong. 621 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:16,135 I believe each character is very appealing in their own way. 622 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:22,016 The meaning of "7SEEDS" is literally that of seven seeds. 623 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:27,479 Each of the boys and girls sent to the future is a "seed." 624 00:43:27,563 --> 00:43:30,983 Where 7SEEDS differs from other girls' manga is how, 625 00:43:31,066 --> 00:43:34,111 unlike most girls' manga that focus on romance, 626 00:43:34,194 --> 00:43:35,904 this series takes a different approach 627 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:39,533 and talks about a deeper theme of survival. 628 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,044 If I was not a part of the animation industry, 629 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:53,255 I believe I would be doing something related to astronomy. 630 00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:58,955 Astronomy. 631 00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:01,805 All these anime creators seem to have a backup plan. 632 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:04,558 I need a backup plan. 633 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:07,186 What should it be? 634 00:44:08,604 --> 00:44:12,733 I used to want to be a chef. 635 00:44:14,193 --> 00:44:17,613 I think I'd be really good at it. 636 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:20,741 If I wasn't in the animation business? 637 00:44:20,824 --> 00:44:22,409 That's a very dangerous question. 638 00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:27,539 A dangerous question, indeed. 639 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:32,670 Because the life of a creator is no walk in one of Japan's clean, green parks. 640 00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:35,631 It can be soul-crushing. 641 00:44:35,798 --> 00:44:38,634 Anxiety-inducing. All-consuming. 642 00:44:38,926 --> 00:44:43,180 And, I was coming to realize, incredibly lonely. 643 00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,891 Would I move to Tokyo forever? 644 00:44:46,892 --> 00:44:48,936 No. I miss my family too much. 645 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:56,026 Since I was a student, I'd be working 20 hours straight every day 646 00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:58,445 making movies while running myself into the ground. 647 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:04,410 Creating anything in film turns you into a clump of stress. 648 00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:08,455 If I had free time, I'd sleep six hours a day. 649 00:45:08,622 --> 00:45:10,809 Animation production, it's hard to get a lot of free time. 650 00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:11,875 Everyone's so busy. 651 00:45:11,959 --> 00:45:14,169 If I had free time... 652 00:45:16,463 --> 00:45:18,924 I would like to sleep. 653 00:45:19,007 --> 00:45:20,259 Your next step? 654 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:24,388 To live an easy life? 655 00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:32,604 Hedgehog wrangling. That's gonna be my backup. 656 00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:35,441 I was starting to doubt everything. 657 00:45:35,691 --> 00:45:37,818 My decision to come to Japan. 658 00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:39,570 My ability to tell this story. 659 00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:44,158 All of these anime creators started to seem so distant. 660 00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:46,326 How do they keep going, running on no sleep 661 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:48,954 and having to come up with creative innovation? 662 00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:52,207 Especially the ones who have been doing this for decades. 663 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,966 When I was singing Ultraman's song for my son, 664 00:46:01,049 --> 00:46:03,051 he asked me, "What's that song?" 665 00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:07,055 I said, "This is Ultraman's song." Then he started loving Ultraman. 666 00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:10,559 We watched old series and new series. 667 00:46:10,642 --> 00:46:13,228 We both love Ultraman. Ultraman pose. 668 00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:18,233 I used to want to design cars. 669 00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:27,034 I think I'd like to have done that for a living. 670 00:46:32,498 --> 00:46:37,878 The first thing I ever directed was Madox-01. 671 00:46:37,961 --> 00:46:44,468 It was a short, 40-minute original video animation, OVA. 672 00:46:47,095 --> 00:46:51,141 The first show I directed was Patlabor Minimum, 673 00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:56,271 these short movies that accompany the OP for a show called Patlabor. 674 00:46:56,355 --> 00:46:59,775 I did hand-drawn animation for decades. 675 00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:01,318 Then something came along 676 00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:04,154 that would bring out both our designs and worldviews even more, 677 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:10,494 like computer graphics. It was all over the news, 678 00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:14,873 and I thought, "This is the way to go from now on." 679 00:47:14,957 --> 00:47:18,460 Without a doubt, that would be the first APPLESEED movie. 680 00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:22,506 It was my first time using motion capture, 681 00:47:22,714 --> 00:47:24,883 and rendering everything in 3DCG. 682 00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:28,762 I think I've been involved with Ghost in the Shell the longest. 683 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,640 There were two series, after all. 684 00:47:31,723 --> 00:47:34,768 I also made one feature-length theatrical film. 685 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:40,566 Eden of the East was my first completely original title. 686 00:47:40,649 --> 00:47:45,779 One of the films that I spent a lot of time on was Captain Harlock, 687 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:47,948 a full CG film. 688 00:47:48,031 --> 00:47:54,454 I think it took more than five years to complete. 689 00:47:56,540 --> 00:48:00,002 I don't remember all the details, 690 00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:04,798 but I think Mr. Aramaki initially wanted to create 691 00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:08,552 a different Ghost in the Shell series. 692 00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:10,554 It was at a party, 693 00:48:10,637 --> 00:48:13,640 and producer Ishikawa happened to be sitting next to me. 694 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:16,351 I thought I'd just ask him for the heck of it, 695 00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,477 since he was right there. 696 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,938 So, it was decided that Mr. Aramaki and I 697 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:22,691 would make a Ghost in the Shell series together. 698 00:48:23,066 --> 00:48:29,031 But we were both directing other projects, 699 00:48:29,114 --> 00:48:35,037 and we couldn't get started right away, 700 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:41,084 but there was another project in the works. 701 00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:46,882 It was Ultraman and they offered it to us. 702 00:48:56,224 --> 00:48:58,060 Since we're both from the generation 703 00:48:58,143 --> 00:49:00,312 that grew up watching the first Ultraman shows, 704 00:49:00,854 --> 00:49:03,273 we were both really passionate about it. 705 00:49:03,357 --> 00:49:06,693 In terms of visuals, sure... 706 00:49:07,986 --> 00:49:12,741 jaw-dropping action scenes are great and all, 707 00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:16,578 but since the CG is motion capture-based, 708 00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:22,209 the humans look more human 709 00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:25,337 as well as more raw. 710 00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:30,425 It's that fusion of human rawness and anime's deformé style 711 00:49:30,509 --> 00:49:35,097 that I want to pursue to the limit. 712 00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:41,436 I was starting to feel like I'd hit my limit, 713 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,647 which was hard to do in Tokyo, 714 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:46,525 which feels like a place where limits don't exist. 715 00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:48,819 From vending machine restaurants... 716 00:49:50,404 --> 00:49:51,780 to bullet trains... 717 00:49:52,114 --> 00:49:55,242 to the most confusing, high-tech toilets the world has ever seen. 718 00:49:56,326 --> 00:49:58,453 Japan is already living in the future. 719 00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:03,375 It's all about full automation... especially in animation. 720 00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:08,630 I really can't stand the repetitive tasks. 721 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:13,051 I wish we could use computers 722 00:50:13,135 --> 00:50:14,177 for all of that. 723 00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:33,321 3DCG involves numerous processes 724 00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:39,494 and elements to produce visuals. 725 00:50:39,786 --> 00:50:43,540 Now, I'd like to explain each process to you. 726 00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:50,505 This is part of an animatic. 727 00:50:50,797 --> 00:50:56,595 This raw data allows us to experiment so we can figure out 728 00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:59,598 how we can create the powerful scenes we have in our heads. 729 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:02,601 Then, you start the modeling process. 730 00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:14,905 I wanted the fist to get smashed more and sink into the flesh. 731 00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:19,201 And I wanted the place where it landed to bulge out here. 732 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,662 This is an effect. 733 00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:27,000 Here you can see the impact of the punch is so powerful, 734 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:32,756 the steam inside this muscle is leaking out. 735 00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:34,633 I really want it to come out from the crack, 736 00:51:34,716 --> 00:51:38,553 but it would be so much work to make it come out from the crack. 737 00:51:38,637 --> 00:51:40,263 So, the steam emerges from the surface. 738 00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:42,849 You can tell that we're cheating this shot. 739 00:51:45,977 --> 00:51:47,145 As for the lighting, 740 00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:52,109 the reason I have so much light hitting the ring 741 00:51:52,192 --> 00:51:57,656 is because I wanted to create a sense of flashing during the characters' fight. 742 00:51:57,739 --> 00:52:02,202 The characters' emotions are linked to the color of the light. 743 00:52:02,619 --> 00:52:06,206 I was hung up on using the flashing 744 00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:10,252 in an effective way. 745 00:52:11,086 --> 00:52:16,550 My goal isn't so much about reproducing Japan's anime in 3DCG. 746 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:19,278 But, rather, I'd like to take the American comics, graphic novels, 747 00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:21,179 bandes dessinées that I love so much... 748 00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:26,017 and find a way to somehow set them in motion in that style. 749 00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:28,436 That's my goal. 750 00:52:31,189 --> 00:52:36,486 A director has three jobs. Three truly basic jobs: 751 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:41,366 To have a vision. To choose. To decide. 752 00:52:41,783 --> 00:52:45,036 Yeah, I didn't know what to do. 753 00:52:45,745 --> 00:52:48,498 Guess we'll have to get to anime's essence the hard way. 754 00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:51,459 I'm sending in backup. It's an interrogation. 755 00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:55,881 - Name? - Rui Kuroki. 756 00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:57,841 - Age? - Forty-one. 757 00:52:57,924 --> 00:52:59,467 - Hometown? - Tokyo. 758 00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,220 - Dislikes? - Getting older. 759 00:53:16,276 --> 00:53:18,320 What did you eat for lunch? 760 00:53:19,279 --> 00:53:21,239 - I haven't eaten. - Why is that? 761 00:53:21,323 --> 00:53:22,449 I don't have time. 762 00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,327 - Who do you work for? - For myself. 763 00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:28,747 - How did you get here? - By car. 764 00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:31,333 - Any pets? - No. 765 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:33,335 - Dogs or cats? - Dogs. 766 00:53:33,418 --> 00:53:34,961 - Favorite food? - Crabs. 767 00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:38,673 - How long have you lived here? - Forty years. 768 00:53:38,757 --> 00:53:40,050 - Favorite color? - Black. 769 00:53:40,133 --> 00:53:42,510 - Favorite movie? - Ghostbusters. 770 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,679 - Where are we? - IG. 771 00:53:44,971 --> 00:53:46,056 What is your job? 772 00:53:46,264 --> 00:53:47,515 Animation producer. 773 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,142 Your first anime title? 774 00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:50,226 Kill Bill. 775 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,479 Number of anime titles you have produced? 776 00:53:52,562 --> 00:53:53,813 Over 20. 777 00:53:53,897 --> 00:53:55,523 Your favorite among them? 778 00:53:56,399 --> 00:53:57,692 B: The Beginning. 779 00:54:10,121 --> 00:54:11,248 Who do you respect? 780 00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:14,668 Who do I respect? 781 00:54:20,465 --> 00:54:21,465 My father. 782 00:54:23,009 --> 00:54:24,729 Where does your inspiration come from? 783 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:27,138 The brains of other people. 784 00:54:28,181 --> 00:54:30,101 What does your family think about your job? 785 00:54:30,141 --> 00:54:31,381 They take pride in it. 786 00:54:31,768 --> 00:54:33,603 What was the last thing you Googled? 787 00:54:33,687 --> 00:54:34,687 Stan Lee. 788 00:54:36,314 --> 00:54:38,149 The hardest project you worked on? 789 00:54:40,986 --> 00:54:41,987 Kill Bill. 790 00:54:45,156 --> 00:54:46,533 Your favorite author? 791 00:54:46,616 --> 00:54:48,702 My favorite author? William Burroughs. 792 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,412 Your ultimate goal? 793 00:54:51,329 --> 00:54:52,998 Going to heaven. 794 00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:55,375 - Your next step? - To live an easy life? 795 00:54:55,458 --> 00:54:58,378 - Should we be worried? - I don't think you need to be. 796 00:54:58,461 --> 00:55:00,422 - Are you Keith? - I am not. 797 00:55:00,505 --> 00:55:02,340 - Are you Koku? - I am not. 798 00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:04,926 - Are you Killer B? - I am not. 799 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,137 What is the climactic moment in season 2? 800 00:55:08,054 --> 00:55:09,139 I cannot tell you. 801 00:55:23,069 --> 00:55:24,922 Turns out I did need this quest 802 00:55:24,946 --> 00:55:26,031 to understand anime, 803 00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:28,199 not to be a better filmmaker. 804 00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:31,619 It's about acceptance, inspiration, 805 00:55:31,703 --> 00:55:34,748 and something these anime creators knew all along. 806 00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,542 The contradictions of Japan aren't confusing. 807 00:55:37,625 --> 00:55:38,501 They're vital. 808 00:55:38,585 --> 00:55:42,130 Relax in the chaos and the great ideas just flow. 809 00:55:42,213 --> 00:55:43,465 How do I come up with my ideas? 810 00:55:43,548 --> 00:55:47,469 I get ideas during everyday life, like when I take a bath. 811 00:55:48,053 --> 00:55:49,512 Bath time. 812 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:52,432 It can be when I'm in the bath... 813 00:55:52,515 --> 00:55:54,225 Usually in the shower. 814 00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:59,939 They hit me at all times, like when I'm taking a walk. 815 00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:01,900 The commute home. 816 00:56:02,901 --> 00:56:05,153 ...or just strolling around the area. 817 00:56:05,362 --> 00:56:09,616 Ideas don't pick a place or time. 818 00:56:11,826 --> 00:56:14,871 So, the question is not, "What is anime?" 819 00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:19,542 How it's made, why it's made, 820 00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:21,127 what makes the fans love it? 821 00:56:22,045 --> 00:56:26,257 It's not just the people who create it: the idea-makers, the dreamers, 822 00:56:26,341 --> 00:56:29,511 the visionaries who have the guts to say, "I don't give a fuck." 823 00:56:30,887 --> 00:56:33,181 The thing that unifies anime and makes it special... 824 00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:38,103 is the way it makes you a part of something bigger than yourself. 825 00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:42,524 How it accepts you into this crazy community. 826 00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:45,693 And the way it makes you feel like you're not alone. 827 00:56:46,778 --> 00:56:50,281 Made by misfits for other misfits. 828 00:56:51,783 --> 00:56:54,661 It didn't matter what school I went to in what country. 829 00:56:54,744 --> 00:56:56,830 If I saw someone who wore a Wolverine T-shirt, 830 00:56:56,913 --> 00:56:59,374 I was like, "I can talk to this dude about X-Men." 831 00:56:59,707 --> 00:57:02,961 Right? And that was a way to connect across cultures. 832 00:57:04,754 --> 00:57:06,756 The veil has been lifted. 833 00:57:08,174 --> 00:57:09,884 Enter the anime. 69741

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