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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:54,887 We all are born with a certain package. 2 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,389 We are who we are. 3 00:00:57,557 --> 00:00:59,350 Where we were born, who we were born as, 4 00:00:59,517 --> 00:01:01,644 how we were raised. 5 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:06,023 We're kind of stuck inside that person... 6 00:01:06,191 --> 00:01:08,651 ...and the purpose of civilization and growth, 7 00:01:08,818 --> 00:01:10,236 is to be able to reach out 8 00:01:10,403 --> 00:01:12,905 and empathize a little bit with other people. 9 00:01:13,531 --> 00:01:17,534 And for me, the movies are like a machine that generates empathy. 10 00:01:17,994 --> 00:01:20,204 It lets you understand a little bit more 11 00:01:20,372 --> 00:01:23,958 about different hopes, aspirations, dreams and fears. 12 00:01:24,125 --> 00:01:26,126 It helps us to identify with the people 13 00:01:26,294 --> 00:01:28,545 who are sharing this journey with us. 14 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:29,315 Exactly five months before his death, 15 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:31,400 Roger and Chaz and I met to plan 16 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,028 the beginning of an ambitious schedule of filming, 17 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:37,114 including interviews and critic screenings. 18 00:02:37,282 --> 00:02:40,200 Roger mentioned in passing that his hip was sore. 19 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:43,203 The very next day he entered the hospital. 20 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:09,063 So now I got a hairline fracture to the femur bone. 21 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:13,859 I didn't fall and have no idea how it happened. 22 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:17,696 It's bloody painful. 23 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,787 This is my seventh time at rehab. 24 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:26,872 This table is weird. 25 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,876 I type much, much better at home in my usual chair. 26 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:34,546 Show Steve the new chair. 27 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:42,137 It reclines. 28 00:03:43,598 --> 00:03:45,808 He will see more of it. 29 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:52,856 So Roger, did you not pay your insurance premiums, 30 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:55,651 and so you didn't get the chair till now? 31 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,909 Steve, I'll do the jokes here. 32 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:07,913 This is Flora. 33 00:04:08,081 --> 00:04:12,835 Also, this is Sonya Evans, my stepdaughter. 34 00:04:13,002 --> 00:04:16,046 I do what they tell me to do. 35 00:04:21,136 --> 00:04:23,720 You wanna rest a little bit, or work a little bit? 36 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:27,850 Steve is the director. 37 00:04:28,017 --> 00:04:30,060 I'm just gonna sit down. 38 00:04:32,397 --> 00:04:35,607 Although Roger had supported my films over the years, 39 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:39,403 this film was the first chance to really get to know him. 40 00:04:39,571 --> 00:04:42,656 Steve, shoot yourself in the mirror. 41 00:04:43,908 --> 00:04:46,577 There he is. 42 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:47,744 Hi, Carol. 43 00:04:47,912 --> 00:04:50,747 I'm Carol. I'm Roger's assistant 44 00:04:50,915 --> 00:04:53,584 for over 20 years, Roger and Chaz. 45 00:04:53,751 --> 00:04:57,671 And Zero Dark something is winning all the awards, Roger. 46 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,214 It won another big award. 47 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:01,300 And the Bears lost. 48 00:05:04,721 --> 00:05:06,972 "My daily..." What? 49 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:09,725 "briefing." 50 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:11,602 Okay, Roger. 51 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:15,647 And then Mayor Daley's, you know, nephew 52 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:18,442 went to court today. Remember, for the Koschman thing 53 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:20,068 that the Sun-Times really uncovered... 54 00:05:20,236 --> 00:05:22,613 I always worked on newspapers. 55 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:25,699 There was a persistent need, 56 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,035 not only to write, but to publish. 57 00:05:28,203 --> 00:05:32,414 In grade school, I wrote and published the Washington Street News, 58 00:05:32,582 --> 00:05:35,667 which I solemnly delivered to neighbors in Urbana, Illinois, 59 00:05:35,835 --> 00:05:39,129 as if it existed independently of me. 60 00:05:39,297 --> 00:05:41,924 At the News Gazette, a line-o-type operator 61 00:05:42,091 --> 00:05:46,011 set my by-line in lead: "By Roger Ebert." 62 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:48,305 I was electrified. 63 00:05:48,473 --> 00:05:50,766 When I went home with it, you could take a stamp pad, 64 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:52,601 you could put your by-line on everything. 65 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:55,979 My parents finally had to take it away from me. 66 00:05:56,147 --> 00:05:58,315 Everything was by Roger Ebert. 67 00:05:59,692 --> 00:06:01,902 And I went to work full-time for the local newspaper 68 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:04,530 when I was 15, first as a sports writer, 69 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:06,949 general assignment, working late, 70 00:06:07,116 --> 00:06:09,993 being there with the newspapermen back in the '50s. 71 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:13,121 It was unspeakably romantic. 72 00:06:13,289 --> 00:06:16,083 I can write, I just always could. 73 00:06:16,251 --> 00:06:19,711 On the other hand, I flunked French five times. 74 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,175 In the spring of 1960, I announced I wanted to go to Harvard, 75 00:06:25,343 --> 00:06:27,761 like Jack Kennedy and Thomas Wolfe. 76 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:31,056 "Boy, there's no money to send you to Harvard," Daddy said. 77 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:34,726 The Urbana Champaign campus of the University of Illinois: 78 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:37,187 to provide knowledge for a better tomorrow. 79 00:06:37,355 --> 00:06:39,648 I would go to my hometown university. 80 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:42,901 I wouldn't be an electrician like my father. 81 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:45,445 He told me one day his father said to him, 82 00:06:45,613 --> 00:06:47,489 "Roger, there's professors over there, 83 00:06:47,657 --> 00:06:49,366 that's what you oughta do some day. 84 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:51,034 You wanna sit there with a pipe, 85 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:53,829 and a cardigan sweater with your feet up on the desk." 86 00:06:53,997 --> 00:06:57,165 I think his father recognized early on that Roger had a gift. 87 00:06:57,333 --> 00:07:02,129 I joined The Daily Illini, and I ran into him then. 88 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:04,965 During my years at Illinois, 89 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:08,510 I spent more time working on The Daily Illini than studying. 90 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:11,263 It was in every sense a real newspaper, 91 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,933 published five days a week, on an ancient Goss rotary press 92 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:17,519 that made the building tremble. 93 00:07:17,687 --> 00:07:20,230 As editor, I was a case study: 94 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:24,359 tactless, egotistical, merciless, and a showboat. 95 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:26,194 And he was. 96 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:28,947 But it worked because he could back it up. 97 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:32,159 It was intimidating to the members of the staff 98 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:36,496 because he was like a mature writer at that time. 99 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:41,835 Now here, when those four children were killed 100 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:43,712 in the church bombing in Birmingham, 101 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,922 there was a huge protest around the country. 102 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:48,634 Four hundred students gathered on the university quadrangle 103 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:51,219 to protest the bombing of an Alabama Sunday school. 104 00:07:51,387 --> 00:07:55,140 And Roger was the voice of outrage on this campus. 105 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:59,019 He started off his column by quoting Dr. Martin Luther King, 106 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:01,063 who said to George Wallace, 107 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:04,775 "The blood of these innocent children is on your hands." 108 00:08:04,942 --> 00:08:06,443 That ended the quote. 109 00:08:06,611 --> 00:08:09,237 Then Roger began his column by saying, 110 00:08:09,405 --> 00:08:12,282 "That is not entirely the truth. 111 00:08:19,248 --> 00:08:21,249 And it is not new blood. 112 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:24,503 It is old, very old. 113 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:27,214 And as Lady Macbeth discovered, 114 00:08:27,382 --> 00:08:30,342 it will not ever wash away." 115 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:34,179 That began a column written by a 21 -year-old guy, 116 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:38,183 and he said it better than anybody said it all week. 117 00:08:38,351 --> 00:08:43,605 Roger was editor on November 22nd, 1963, 118 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:46,149 when John F. Kennedy was shot. 119 00:08:46,317 --> 00:08:50,362 At around two o'clock in the morning, the presses rolled, 120 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:52,614 gigantic presses, two stories high, 121 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:54,199 chug and chug, 122 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:56,451 and Ebert was doing what editors do 123 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,912 at the end of the day: check out the pages. 124 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,875 And he opens it up and there's a picture of John F. Kennedy, 125 00:09:04,043 --> 00:09:07,462 and an ad of a pilgrim with a musket 126 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:09,881 pointed at Kennedy's head. 127 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:13,844 Ebert said, "We gotta switch this." 128 00:09:14,011 --> 00:09:18,056 The pressman said like, "Hear that sound, Roger? 129 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:21,643 That's the sound of newspapers being printed." 130 00:09:21,811 --> 00:09:25,814 Unlike in movies, you didn't stop the presses. 131 00:09:25,982 --> 00:09:30,277 And Ebert said, "We're not gonna print that tomorrow. 132 00:09:30,445 --> 00:09:31,903 We gotta stop the presses." 133 00:09:33,322 --> 00:09:35,657 Ebert became famous to us for that, 134 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:38,452 because, you know, here was a kid 135 00:09:38,619 --> 00:09:41,830 taking control of an adult situation 136 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:45,167 and making a news judgment, an important one. 137 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:53,133 Chicago was the great city over the horizon. 138 00:09:53,301 --> 00:09:55,218 We read Chicago's newspapers 139 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:57,637 and listened to its powerful AM radio stations. 140 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,222 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, 141 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:00,849 it's midnight here in Chicago. 142 00:10:00,975 --> 00:10:02,392 Long after midnight, 143 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,478 I listened to Jack Egan broadcasting live. 144 00:10:04,645 --> 00:10:07,814 Chez Lounge and the world famous Chez Paree. 145 00:10:07,982 --> 00:10:11,818 Chatting with Martin and Lewis, or Rosemary Clooney. 146 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:14,988 I'd been accepted as a PhD candidate in English 147 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:19,075 by the University of Chicago, but I needed a job. 148 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:23,288 I got a part time job at the Sun-Times, 149 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:24,998 and then five months later, 150 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:27,250 the film critic retired and they gave me the job. 151 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:29,002 I did not apply for it. 152 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:32,088 Newspaper film critics had been interchangeable. 153 00:10:32,256 --> 00:10:35,509 Some papers had by-lines that different people wrote under. 154 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:37,803 For example, the Tribune had Mae Tinee, 155 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:40,222 and that could be whoever went to the movies that day. 156 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:43,141 Because Mae Tinee really spelled out "matinee." 157 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:46,812 I was at that time the youngest daily film critic in America. 158 00:10:46,979 --> 00:10:49,481 And it was a real good time to be a movie critic. 159 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:51,775 Armed robbery. 160 00:11:06,707 --> 00:11:10,001 Bet you wouldn't have the gumption to use it. 161 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,506 Now, come here. 162 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:15,549 It is also 163 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:24,391 - Hey! What's your name, anyhow? - Clyde Barrow. 164 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:26,768 Hi, I'm Bonnie Parker. 165 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:28,645 Pleased to meet you. 166 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:32,274 "The fact that the story 167 00:11:32,441 --> 00:11:35,277 is set 35 years ago doesn't mean a thing. 168 00:11:35,444 --> 00:11:37,070 It had to be set sometime, 169 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:45,328 Roger was the most facile writer I ever came across. 170 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:47,747 Anybody that has ever seen him work. 171 00:11:47,915 --> 00:11:49,499 He could, he could knock out 172 00:11:49,667 --> 00:11:54,337 a full thought out movie review in 30 minutes. 173 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:57,007 Fast and furious. 174 00:11:57,174 --> 00:11:59,175 There were so many reporters that formed 175 00:11:59,343 --> 00:12:02,387 easy quick friendships because they were smart, 176 00:12:02,555 --> 00:12:05,223 they were good writers, they were literate, 177 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:07,517 and they could tell a good story in a saloon. 178 00:12:09,228 --> 00:12:10,812 O'Rourke's was our stage, 179 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:13,815 and we displayed our personas there nightly. 180 00:12:13,983 --> 00:12:18,403 It was a shabby street corner tavern on a dicey stretch of North Avenue, 181 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:22,449 a block after Chicago's Old Town stopped being a tourist haven. 182 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,702 When a roomer who lived upstairs died, 183 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:29,998 his body was discovered when maggots started to drop through the ceiling. 184 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:31,875 For many years, I drank there 185 00:12:32,043 --> 00:12:34,419 more or less every night when I was in town. 186 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,588 So did a lot of people. 187 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,298 We all sat at the same place. 188 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:40,216 The newspaper guys here, 189 00:12:40,384 --> 00:12:42,093 the druggies in the middle, 190 00:12:42,261 --> 00:12:45,472 the surly staff at the very end of the bar. 191 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,977 Roger has always been attracted to weird types. 192 00:12:51,145 --> 00:12:53,355 I mean, you should see some of the women 193 00:12:53,522 --> 00:12:56,650 that he's hauled in to O'Rourke's over the years. 194 00:12:56,817 --> 00:12:58,318 Back in the old days, 195 00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,695 Roger had, probably the worst taste in women 196 00:13:00,863 --> 00:13:02,155 of any man I've ever known. 197 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:05,158 They were either gold diggers, 198 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:07,619 opportunists, or psychos. 199 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:10,330 Yeah, I met Roger one time with a woman 200 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:13,208 that looked like a young Linda Ronstadt, 201 00:13:13,376 --> 00:13:15,627 and when she was gone from the table briefly, 202 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,212 I said, "Who is that?" 203 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:21,007 And he said, "She's a hired lady." 204 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:24,886 And I said, "A hooker?" 205 00:13:25,012 --> 00:13:28,181 And he said, "Now you take care of her when I leave." 206 00:13:28,349 --> 00:13:31,434 And he left town. And anyway... 207 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:37,732 Roger, he used to hang from the lamppost at the end of the bar. 208 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,484 When he got going, 209 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:41,987 Roger was one of the finest storytellers 210 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:44,155 that I have ever come across. 211 00:13:44,323 --> 00:13:45,824 He would hold court, 212 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:48,952 and it's not like everyone was invited to join in 213 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,496 and have a colloquy with him. 214 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:53,373 Since he bought drinks for everybody 215 00:13:53,541 --> 00:13:57,085 when he had the money, who's not to listen? 216 00:13:57,253 --> 00:14:00,213 His great friend was John McHugh. 217 00:14:00,381 --> 00:14:02,882 And I remember a famous argument 218 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:07,220 over who was the more cosmopolitan of the two. 219 00:14:07,388 --> 00:14:11,558 And Ebert was saying, "John, I travel the world. 220 00:14:11,726 --> 00:14:13,727 I go to every country in Europe. 221 00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:15,437 I go to Cannes. 222 00:14:15,604 --> 00:14:18,356 I'm a cosmopolitan person." 223 00:14:18,524 --> 00:14:24,154 John said, "Ebert, you don't even speak a foreign language." 224 00:14:24,321 --> 00:14:27,532 And Ebert said, "I speak enough to be able 225 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:31,703 to order two Johnny Walker Blacks anywhere in the world." 226 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:35,790 Any sober human being looking at the two of them 227 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:39,961 would have decided neither was actually a cosmopolitan figure. 228 00:14:45,342 --> 00:14:47,385 I discovered there was nothing like drinking 229 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:49,429 with a crowd to make you a member. 230 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,891 I copied the idealism and cynicism of the reporters. 231 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:54,476 I spoke like they did. 232 00:14:54,643 --> 00:14:56,061 Laughed at the same things. 233 00:14:56,228 --> 00:14:57,979 Felt that I belonged. 234 00:15:01,108 --> 00:15:02,484 Studs wasn't a Chicagoan. 235 00:15:02,651 --> 00:15:04,319 Nelson Algren wasn't born here. 236 00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:06,488 Saul Bellow wasn't born here. 237 00:15:06,655 --> 00:15:09,240 But there's a certain kind of Chicago character 238 00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:12,702 that Roger really came to believe that he was. 239 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:18,583 Roger was not just the chief character 240 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:21,336 and star of the movie that was his life. 241 00:15:21,504 --> 00:15:25,757 He was also the director, and he brought in the cast, 242 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:29,969 and the scenario, and he orchestrated it. 243 00:15:30,137 --> 00:15:31,763 He loved it! 244 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:35,266 Those characters, what they did. 245 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:38,061 John the garbage man. Hank the communist. 246 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:43,066 I remember the night that Jim Touley punched J. Robert Nash, 247 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:45,735 knocked him down to the bar room floor, 248 00:15:45,903 --> 00:15:48,446 and Nash looked up and he said, "Nice punch, Jimmy!" 249 00:15:51,408 --> 00:15:53,785 When O'Rourke's closed he would go down to the Ale House, 250 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:55,745 because that was a four o'clock bar. 251 00:15:57,581 --> 00:16:00,333 The mood got rougher and rougher 252 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:02,418 as people got drunker and drunker. 253 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:07,841 Roger was good at dishing, but he also could take it. 254 00:16:08,008 --> 00:16:11,094 "I'm a fat guy, I'm gonna have to learn how to take fat stuff." 255 00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:13,179 Roger could hold his own with all of them. 256 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:18,977 Everybody kind of says that deep down he's a nice guy. 257 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:21,604 He is a nice guy, but he's not that nice. 258 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:24,566 He's not that nice. 259 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,993 The last week he was drinking, 260 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:38,872 I even realized that there was a serious problem going on. 261 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:41,332 Watching him when he pulled out that night 262 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,085 in front of O'Rourke's, and almost, you know, 263 00:16:44,253 --> 00:16:45,795 ran into the North Avenue bus. 264 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:47,714 I remember being in the drug store 265 00:16:47,882 --> 00:16:50,133 that was on the corner there one morning, 266 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:53,303 and Roger came in, and he looked like absolute hell. 267 00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:55,513 And I'm like, "Are you okay? What's the matter?" 268 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:59,893 "I'm on a bender. Can you come have a drink with me?" 269 00:17:00,102 --> 00:17:01,603 He said to me one time, 270 00:17:01,729 --> 00:17:03,771 and I don't think he'll regard this as a betrayal, 271 00:17:03,939 --> 00:17:07,108 that he would walk home late at night, 272 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:09,110 after O'Rourke's had closed, 273 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:11,154 and he would wish he was dead. 274 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:16,075 I found it almost impossible once I started, 275 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:20,705 to stop after one or two. I paid a price in hangovers. 276 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:22,290 Without hangovers, it's possible 277 00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:24,375 that I would still be drinking. 278 00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:29,505 I would also be unemployed, unmarried, and probably dead. 279 00:17:29,673 --> 00:17:33,718 In August 1979, I took my last drink. 280 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:37,347 It was about four o'clock on a Saturday afternoon. 281 00:17:37,514 --> 00:17:39,933 The hot sun streaming through the windows. 282 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,728 I put a glass of scotch and soda down on the living room table, 283 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:47,315 went to bed, and pulled the blankets over my head. 284 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:49,484 I couldn't take it anymore. 285 00:17:49,652 --> 00:17:51,527 He says, "I quit." 286 00:17:51,695 --> 00:17:55,031 And then I realized it's time for me to quit, too. 287 00:17:55,199 --> 00:17:58,159 The next time I saw Roger Ebert, he was in AA. 288 00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:01,329 I was drinking very heavily. 289 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:05,083 When I decided to out myself as a recovering alcoholic, 290 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:07,710 I hadn't taken a drink for 31 years. 291 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:09,963 And since my first AA meeting I attended, 292 00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:12,257 I've never wanted to. 293 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:15,260 Since surgery in July of 2006, 294 00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:19,305 I haven't been able to drink at all, or eat or speak. 295 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:23,017 Unless I go insane and start pouring booze into my g-tube, 296 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,770 I believe I'm reasonably safe. 297 00:18:52,756 --> 00:18:54,340 That's it. 298 00:18:54,508 --> 00:18:56,050 By the time I got home from this shoot, 299 00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:58,177 there was an email waiting for me. 300 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:02,056 Did we get it? 301 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,936 I hope so, too. 302 00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:13,776 When I mentioned in my blog 303 00:19:13,944 --> 00:19:16,654 that I could no longer eat, drink, or speak, 304 00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:19,657 a reader wrote, "Do you miss it?" 305 00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:25,163 Not so much, really. I lived in a world of words 306 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:27,999 long before I was aware of it. 307 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:30,877 The new reality took shape slowly. 308 00:19:31,045 --> 00:19:35,340 My blog became my voice, my outlet. 309 00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:38,134 It let loose the flood of memories. 310 00:19:39,762 --> 00:19:42,930 They came pouring forth in a flood of relief. 311 00:19:45,476 --> 00:19:48,061 One day in the spring of 1967, 312 00:19:48,228 --> 00:19:50,772 I noticed Faster, Pussycat! Kill Kill! 313 00:19:50,939 --> 00:19:53,608 playing at the Biograph on Lincoln Avenue. 314 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,992 The posters displayed improbably buxom women, 315 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,079 and I was inside in a flash. 316 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:08,373 That was when it first registered 317 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,958 that there was a filmmaker named Russ Meyer. 318 00:20:14,421 --> 00:20:18,216 In 1969, the 20th Century Fox studio invited Meyer 319 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:19,801 to the lot for an interview. 320 00:20:19,968 --> 00:20:21,719 They owned the rights to the title 321 00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:23,846 Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, 322 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:26,766 and offered him the title unattached to any story. 323 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,394 Meyer offered me the screenwriting job, 324 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:32,397 and I fell into a delirious adventure. 325 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:35,858 The most impossible question for me to answer is, 326 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,778 "How on earth did Roger Ebert write 327 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:40,863 Beyond the Valley of the Dolls?" 328 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:48,287 Or be interested in writing such a script? 329 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:51,582 Or be involved with Russ Meyer? 330 00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:01,384 I have no answer. 331 00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:05,012 What did he love about Russ' films do you think? 332 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:07,682 Boobs. 333 00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:10,810 The fact that there were large breasted women involved 334 00:21:10,978 --> 00:21:12,770 probably was a plus. 335 00:21:15,023 --> 00:21:18,860 You know, we can talk a lot about the art of cinema, 336 00:21:19,027 --> 00:21:21,779 and what we find in it, 337 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,282 and the sort of the magic 338 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:26,826 and the dreams and the glory of it, 339 00:21:26,994 --> 00:21:29,370 but there are also other, kind of, earthier appeals. 340 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,247 You wanna make love? 341 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:33,166 Then let's make love. 342 00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:34,667 Here? 343 00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:38,504 - No, in L.A. - L.A? 344 00:21:38,672 --> 00:21:40,256 - Where is that? - We'd get crushed. 345 00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:42,175 Meyer wanted everything in the screenplay 346 00:21:42,342 --> 00:21:44,677 except the kitchen sink. The movie, he explained, 347 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,054 would simultaneously be a satire, 348 00:21:47,222 --> 00:21:48,389 a serious melodrama, 349 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:51,184 a rock musical, a comedy, 350 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:52,810 a violent exploitation picture, 351 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:56,314 a skin flick, and a moralistic exposé 352 00:21:56,482 --> 00:21:59,150 of the oft-times nightmarish world of show business. 353 00:21:59,276 --> 00:22:00,818 - It's a no talent town. - Don't put it down. 354 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:04,155 I had to review for the Chicago Sun-Times, 355 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,658 and I think I gave it three stars, because Roger was my friend. 356 00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:09,285 And somewhere deep in the piece said, 357 00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:11,496 "This is a new rating system, ten stars, 358 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:13,039 so this gets three out of ten." 359 00:22:14,082 --> 00:22:16,167 This is my happening and it freaks me out! 360 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:19,003 I reviewed the film in National Review. 361 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:23,090 And listed it as one of the 10 great films of the 1960s. 362 00:22:23,258 --> 00:22:27,512 It was funny, it had a pulse that raced past 363 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,348 Howard Hawk's film from the '40s. 364 00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:33,351 But with the wild who-gives-a-shit air, 365 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,186 it was perfect for the late '60s. 366 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:36,896 You're a groovy boy. 367 00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:40,024 I'd like to strap you on sometime. 368 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:41,984 Beyond the Valley. 369 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:44,654 It's beyond it. 370 00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:48,908 You know, this is a title, because you're gonna go beyond it. 371 00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:51,285 It went over my head. 372 00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:52,912 That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. 373 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,249 I did like her having sex in the Bentley. 374 00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:02,046 It's my first time in a Rolls. 375 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:04,298 Because of the way he cut to the grill. 376 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:07,260 There's nothing like a Rolls. 377 00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:09,220 Not even a Bentley. 378 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,098 Not even a Bentley. 379 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,350 Bentley! Rolls! 380 00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:16,852 A Rolls. A Rolls! 381 00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,231 But I did like that editing in the Bentley. 382 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,277 I don't really have any new confessions. 383 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:29,198 It is true that the first 10 years I came to the conference, 384 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,909 I came primarily hoping to get laid. 385 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,540 That didn't work out. 386 00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:43,129 I lived more than nine months of my life in Boulder, Colorado, 387 00:23:43,338 --> 00:23:45,047 one week at a time. 388 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:47,717 It all happened at the sleep-inducingly named, 389 00:23:47,884 --> 00:23:50,386 "Conference on World Affairs." 390 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:54,307 It's a conference that comes together once a year at Boulder. 391 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:57,518 Astrophysicists, sociologists, experts of the Middle East. 392 00:23:57,686 --> 00:24:00,396 Free wheeling... and engaging. 393 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:03,399 Roger was an absolute star. 394 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:08,529 He was the longest running panelist in history of the CWA. 395 00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:11,574 I was in my 20s when I first came to the conference. 396 00:24:11,742 --> 00:24:14,160 There, I was on a panel about the Establishment 397 00:24:14,328 --> 00:24:16,495 with Henry Fairly, who coined the term. 398 00:24:16,663 --> 00:24:18,122 I discussed masturbation 399 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,541 with the Greek Ambassador to the United Nations. 400 00:24:20,709 --> 00:24:22,168 There I asked Ted Turner 401 00:24:22,336 --> 00:24:26,130 how he got so much right and colorization wrong. 402 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:28,966 He would hold what was called Cinema Interruptus. 403 00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:33,220 On Monday of World Affairs week, Roger would show a film. 404 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:35,848 Tuesday through Friday he would conduct 405 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,893 a shot by shot discussion of the film. 406 00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:42,188 To listen to Roger talk for upwards of five hours 407 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:44,106 about In Cold Blood, or The Third Man, 408 00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:46,776 or Vertigo, or Citizen Kane, 409 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:50,196 he was enlightening with every new frame. 410 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,115 It was a theatrical experience of the highest order. 411 00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:59,288 And anybody who wanted to, at any moment, 412 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:00,831 could yell out, "Stop," 413 00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:03,959 to ask a question or make a statement. 414 00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:05,127 Stop! 415 00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:06,837 Look at that. 416 00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:09,965 Every year we find something absolutely amazing, 417 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:12,009 totally amazing in the films. 418 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:13,761 It's not there, but we find it. 419 00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:20,184 There was a limit to Roger's democratizing of film criticism. 420 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:22,895 A student asked, "Who do you think you are 421 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:25,106 that you get to have all these opinions? 422 00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:27,900 I saw Porky's and I think Porky's is great, 423 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:30,069 so why don't I get to talk about it?" 424 00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,905 And Roger said, "I have two things to say. 425 00:25:33,073 --> 00:25:36,617 First, Marshall Field, who owns the Chicago Sun-Times, 426 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,453 appointed me film critic... that's who I am." 427 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:41,914 And he said, "My other thing is a question. 428 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:44,125 Would you wanna listen to you?" 429 00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:51,632 After the year that Roger came 430 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,844 and worked with a voice synthesizer, 431 00:25:55,011 --> 00:25:58,097 he decided not to come again. 432 00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,182 He said it was too hard. 433 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,103 I won't return to the conference. 434 00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:07,898 It is fueled by speech, and I am out of gas. 435 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:10,860 But I went there for my adult lifetime, 436 00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:12,945 and had a hell of a good time. 437 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:20,953 The move is taking place, 438 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:23,497 and they are loading up the medical car 439 00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:26,041 to take us over to RIC. 440 00:26:26,209 --> 00:26:28,252 Will you send an email for me, please? 441 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:29,837 Come in. 442 00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:34,049 Is there a special back elevator that we go down here or? 443 00:26:34,217 --> 00:26:35,843 Well, actually, yeah. 444 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:38,637 Because the last time we took him from this hospital, 445 00:26:38,805 --> 00:26:41,932 we had to push the chair past the morgue. 446 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,643 Everything. And we got lost down there. 447 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:50,524 He's excited because he gets to see a movie he wants to see. 448 00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:54,111 It should be coming over later today. 449 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,238 So he's happy about that. 450 00:27:00,827 --> 00:27:02,661 I'm glad we don't have to go under that... 451 00:27:02,829 --> 00:27:05,080 the underground anymore. 452 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,001 Past the morgue. 453 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:15,716 We're not ready for it! 454 00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:21,430 You've been working away, huh? 455 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:24,141 You have a lot of writing to do. 456 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:25,726 I was hoping you could see 457 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:28,687 at least one of them on a big screen. 458 00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:31,440 When he was in the hospital before, 459 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:35,486 we took a semi-not sanctioned trip out of the hospital. 460 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,363 Bundled him up and took him to the movies. 461 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:42,243 But I don't know if... I don't think the doctor will let you out. 462 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,621 Oops. 463 00:27:50,836 --> 00:27:54,713 Chaz is a strong woman. I never met anyone like her. 464 00:27:54,881 --> 00:27:56,257 I think it'll be easier. You can... 465 00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,008 She is the love of my life. 466 00:27:58,176 --> 00:27:59,969 Just wanna make sure that you don't get cold. 467 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:03,806 She saved me from the fate of living out my life alone, 468 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:06,225 which is where I seemed to be heading. 469 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:12,690 The first time he actually saw me was at an AA meeting. 470 00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:16,527 And it's the first time I've ever said it publicly. 471 00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:22,199 Roger became very public about his... 472 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:26,245 but I felt that it was, you know, more private for me. 473 00:28:27,998 --> 00:28:30,124 If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. 474 00:28:32,043 --> 00:28:37,256 Roger weighed 300 pounds when we first started dating. 475 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:40,342 He didn't care that he was fat. 476 00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:43,012 He thought he was great. 477 00:28:43,179 --> 00:28:45,431 And that was so sexy. 478 00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:49,018 I take it this is not yours. 479 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:54,648 If my cancer had come, and Chaz had not been there with me, 480 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:58,944 I can imagine a descent into lonely decrepitude. 481 00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:01,822 That I am still active, going places, 482 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:04,158 moving, is directly because of her. 483 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,913 My instinct was to guard myself. 484 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,833 I could never again be on television as I once was. 485 00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:15,753 She said, "Yes, but people are interested 486 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:19,131 in what you have to say, not in how you say it." 487 00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:23,677 With Roger now headed 488 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,804 for at least a couple of weeks of rehab, 489 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:28,307 he suggested I email him questions in advance 490 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,726 of our major interview when he gets back home. 491 00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:36,607 I sent him the first third of nine pages of questions. 492 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,359 He emailed me back. 493 00:29:38,526 --> 00:29:39,860 - Hello. - Hi, how are you? 494 00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:45,157 Welcome to RIC. My name's Jackie and we're going to go in this room. 495 00:29:45,325 --> 00:29:47,618 - Okay. - How are you? 496 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,348 I am politically my father's child, 497 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:12,226 and emotionally more my mother's. 498 00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:16,522 My mother supported me as if I was the local sports team. 499 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:19,233 But she was fatalistic. 500 00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:22,403 She was permanently scarred by the Depression, 501 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:27,157 and constantly predicted she would end up in the county poor home. 502 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:31,537 My parents so strongly encouraged my schoolwork. 503 00:30:31,705 --> 00:30:34,164 We even took a third paper at home, 504 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:37,334 the Chicago Daily News, for me to read. 505 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:39,545 When I stood in the kitchen door, 506 00:30:39,713 --> 00:30:41,839 and used a sentence with a new word in it, 507 00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:44,550 they would look up from their coffee and cigarettes 508 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:46,885 and actually applaud me. 509 00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:54,393 This is the memorable occasion 510 00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:58,272 that Roger was given the Pulitzer Prize. 511 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,899 Usually, when somebody won a Pulitzer Prize, 512 00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:03,110 it was, "Who is he to win a Pulitzer?", you know. 513 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:05,571 "Yeah, I'll go congratulate him, yeah." 514 00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:09,283 But for Roger, there was real joy. 515 00:31:09,451 --> 00:31:12,036 You know, it was our Roger. 516 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:13,912 One of us. 517 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,498 The only Pulitzer Prize, for years and years, 518 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,960 ever given to a movie critic. 519 00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:22,129 Roger wrote his movie reviews 520 00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:24,923 as if he were sitting in the 15th row, 521 00:31:25,091 --> 00:31:27,968 taking notes with one hand and eating popcorn with the other. 522 00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:31,638 But he didn't simplify things. 523 00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:44,735 It envelops us in a red membrane of passion and fear. 524 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,321 And in some way that I do not fully understand, 525 00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:51,325 it employs taboos and ancient superstitions to make its effect. 526 00:31:57,457 --> 00:31:59,750 I think the way that he writes, 527 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:03,670 that sort of clear, plain, Midwestern newspaper style, 528 00:32:03,838 --> 00:32:06,340 conveys enormous intelligence, 529 00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,008 encyclopedic learning, 530 00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:11,428 but doesn't condescend, doesn't pander. 531 00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:15,474 Roger would become the definitive mainstream film critic 532 00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:17,267 in American letters. 533 00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,562 He made it possible for a bigger audience, 534 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,233 a wider audience to appreciate cinema as an art form. 535 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,485 Because he really loved it. 536 00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:28,737 Really, really loved films, 537 00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:31,281 and he did not get caught up 538 00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:36,036 in certain ideologies about what cinema should be. 539 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:37,746 After he won the Pulitzer, 540 00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:39,706 if he had a mind to go to The New York Times, 541 00:32:39,874 --> 00:32:41,416 he could've done that, The Boston Globe, 542 00:32:41,584 --> 00:32:43,335 The LA Times, no problem. 543 00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:46,797 Ben Bradley, editor of The Washington Post, 544 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,134 of Watergate fame, went after Roger hard. 545 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:52,845 Offered him the sun and the moon. 546 00:32:53,012 --> 00:32:55,055 Ebert just kept saying no. 547 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,850 He said, "I'm not gonna learn new streets..." 548 00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:03,147 ...which is very Ebert-like. 549 00:33:05,525 --> 00:33:08,193 The Sun-Times went through rough times. 550 00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:11,029 So many regimes. 551 00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:14,074 The Murdoch era which had crashed the paper. 552 00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:18,537 So many people left. 553 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:21,331 And Roger remained steadfast. 554 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:23,292 I remember Roger saying, "I'm not gonna run away." 555 00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:25,043 - Right. - These are my colleagues 556 00:33:25,211 --> 00:33:26,628 and not everybody can get another job. 557 00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:29,548 If someone went across the street for a job, they were selling out. 558 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:31,341 You didn't even say the Tribune. 559 00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:34,052 You'd just say went across the street. 560 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,181 It was a huge clash in political difference 561 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:40,267 between the Sun-Times and the Tribune. 562 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:43,353 We were a working class paper. 563 00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:46,982 And we reached the black community. 564 00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:50,652 The Tribune was a very wealthy paper. 565 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,113 I mean, look at the Tribune tower. 566 00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:58,452 This huge gothic structure studded at its base 567 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:00,954 with all the great art works of the world. 568 00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,957 You know, here is part of the pyramid of Giza. 569 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:05,542 And you're thinking, what? 570 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:08,462 Did the Tribune guy go out with a chisel and steal this thing? 571 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:12,716 From the day the Chicago Tribune 572 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,509 made Gene Siskel its film critic, 573 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:16,595 we were professional enemies. 574 00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:18,931 For the first five years we knew one another, 575 00:34:19,098 --> 00:34:21,350 Siskel and I hardly spoke. 576 00:34:25,104 --> 00:34:28,899 When Gene and I were asked to work together on a TV show, 577 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,402 we both said we'd rather do it with someone else. 578 00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,071 Anyone else. 579 00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:39,243 The name of our show is Opening Soon at a Theatre Near You, 580 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:40,994 two film critics talking about the movies. 581 00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,080 And this is Roger Ebert from the Chicago Sun-Times. 582 00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:44,581 And right over here is Gene Siskel 583 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,458 from the Chicago Tribune and Channel 2 news. 584 00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:49,461 Gene and Roger were sitting kind of pinioned, 585 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:51,088 in director's chairs, 586 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:53,924 looking into the camera very seriously, 587 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:56,301 talking about the movie. 588 00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:58,929 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest just had the audience 589 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,639 tearing up the seats with joy. 590 00:35:00,807 --> 00:35:03,392 Yeah, and also, tearing up a little my enjoyment of the film. 591 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,519 They were applauding even during the credits... 592 00:35:05,687 --> 00:35:09,982 It was stiff, and wooden. 593 00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:13,485 But when Foreman backs up and tries to make his big points 594 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,445 about the establishment and authority... 595 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:17,906 But there was something there. 596 00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:20,492 It was interesting to hear two people 597 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,495 who knew what they were talking about, talk about a movie. 598 00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:26,248 Bremen Freedom by Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 599 00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:28,500 one of the new generation of West German directors... 600 00:35:28,668 --> 00:35:31,169 Roger loved the idea of being on public television. 601 00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:33,088 He had been on it before 602 00:35:33,256 --> 00:35:36,883 on a show where he introduced films by Ingmar Bergman. 603 00:35:37,051 --> 00:35:38,677 It was awful. 604 00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:40,679 And in this movie his name is Spegel, 605 00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:42,222 which is Swedish for "mirror." 606 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:44,182 It was a deer caught in the headlights. 607 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:46,059 What is real and what is illusion, 608 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:48,186 and who's being fooled by the art? 609 00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:50,605 Is it the artist, or his audience, or both? 610 00:35:57,989 --> 00:35:59,448 And the movie's ending, a confrontation 611 00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:01,533 with the heavyweight champion of the world... 612 00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:04,161 Roger needed to learn how to write for television. 613 00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:06,413 ...emotionally fulfilling scenes I've seen in a long time. 614 00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:08,582 To keep sentences short. 615 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:10,459 He would get irritated and he would say, 616 00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:13,086 "Thea, I have a Pulitzer Prize." 617 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,297 And I would say to him, "Roger, I know that, 618 00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:17,215 but that doesn't mean you know how to write for television." 619 00:36:17,383 --> 00:36:20,260 And right through that last scene I was really loving Taxi Driver, 620 00:36:20,428 --> 00:36:22,971 because up until that point, the relationship between 621 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,765 De Niro and Cybill Shepherd has been electric... 622 00:36:24,932 --> 00:36:26,641 Gene was a natural. 623 00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:29,519 He was one of these people, he could talk to the camera. 624 00:36:29,687 --> 00:36:32,689 He had a huge handlebar mustache. 625 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:34,149 And so I just said, 626 00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:37,527 "That is a funny looking thing on your face, get rid of it." 627 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,155 I thought, these two guys 628 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:42,949 would never be on television. 629 00:36:43,117 --> 00:36:45,577 These are unusual, odd-looking characters 630 00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:48,413 for the medium, TV, that's all beautifully quaffed, 631 00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:51,333 and beautiful teeth, and everything's fine. 632 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:54,336 And they dressed like a couple of clowns 633 00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:57,005 if they wore these outfits today. 634 00:36:57,173 --> 00:37:02,594 You couldn't make Siskel and Ebert if you were Dr. Frankenstein. 635 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:06,348 I think in the beginning it was very difficult. 636 00:37:06,516 --> 00:37:09,643 Gene sat in the back row, Roger had his favorite seat. 637 00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:13,647 They left without saying a word to one another. 638 00:37:15,691 --> 00:37:16,983 We both thought of ourselves 639 00:37:17,151 --> 00:37:19,611 as full service, one-stop film critics. 640 00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:22,614 We didn't see why the other one was necessary. 641 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,616 Alone together in an elevator, 642 00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:29,079 we would study the numbers changing above the door. 643 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,540 Their lifestyles couldn't have been more different. 644 00:37:31,707 --> 00:37:33,500 Roger was single. 645 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,335 He was an only child. 646 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:38,672 Gene, in childhood, lost both his parents, 647 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,507 one after the other. 648 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:44,636 He was a philosophy major at Yale. 649 00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:46,513 While Roger was, you know, 650 00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:49,891 one of the good old boy news reporters. 651 00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:53,353 Gene just was more of a... 652 00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,940 for lack of a better word, elegant character. 653 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,109 He caught the eye of Hugh Hefner, 654 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:04,656 and he was adopted by the clan at the mansion. 655 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:10,120 And he traveled with Hefner in the Bunny Jet. 656 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:14,332 Even though Roger wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, 657 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,462 I think Gene lived the life for a while. 658 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:28,763 The perfect matching of opposites, Siskel and Ebert, 659 00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:32,017 Laurel and Hardy, Oscar and Felix, 660 00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:34,352 really made Sneak Previews 661 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,898 a sitcom about two guys who lived in a movie theater. 662 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:40,692 And how Roger and I go to the movies as critics is the subject 663 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:42,903 of this special take two program on Sneak Previews. 664 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,030 - Hi, Gene. - Hi, Roger. 665 00:38:45,198 --> 00:38:47,073 In every theater I have a favorite seat I like to sit in. 666 00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,909 In the last row, sort of off to the side. 667 00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:51,953 Not just kind of reading or speaking criticism, 668 00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:53,747 but acting out these roles. 669 00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:56,416 I always choose a seat that's twice as far back 670 00:38:56,584 --> 00:38:58,835 from the screen as the screen is wide. 671 00:39:00,213 --> 00:39:03,256 Then you must make a friend of horror. 672 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:07,677 Horror and moral terror. 673 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,013 I think we can save ourselves a lot of time 674 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,598 if I admit to you right now 675 00:39:11,766 --> 00:39:13,725 that although I think the last half hour works, 676 00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:15,852 I doubt if I can ever convince you of that, 677 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:17,521 and that the first two hours of the film 678 00:39:17,688 --> 00:39:21,483 consist of some of the most beautiful, heartbreaking, tragic, 679 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:24,152 memorable footage of war that I've ever seen. 680 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,572 I think that you can show almost anything to do with Vietnam, 681 00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:29,991 and people feel, "Oh, my God, the human waste." 682 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:31,743 That may be true, but this movie is made 683 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:33,161 on such an epic scale. 684 00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:36,748 And because they could get agitated, 685 00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:40,126 that raised the temperature of the movies they were discussing. 686 00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:45,799 Tremendously boring, 687 00:39:45,967 --> 00:39:47,634 boring from the beginning of the movie. 688 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,720 - I just wanna compare this film... - Oh, no. Wait a minute. 689 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:53,306 - Now he's not boring at all. - Oh, yes. Fabulously boring. 690 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,725 - He is fabulously boring? - I would pass... 691 00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:58,520 There was something almost transgressive and exciting 692 00:39:58,688 --> 00:40:03,275 about seeing on TV somebody say about a movie, 693 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:05,485 you know what you might always want to say to your friend, 694 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,862 or your girlfriend or your mother or your sister, 695 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:10,240 "No, you're wrong. It's not a good movie." 696 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:12,534 That's the way people do relate to films, 697 00:40:12,702 --> 00:40:14,369 is in that argumentative sort of way, 698 00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:17,205 in which if you're right nobody can tell you that you're wrong. 699 00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:19,874 I sit at the desk next to our music critic at the Sun-Times. 700 00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,793 People are very worshipful of him. 701 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:24,921 "Oh, what did you think about Shulty's conducting last night?" 702 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:27,215 And then he will say, and they will nod like this and go away. 703 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:29,134 And then they'll turn around and come up to me and say, 704 00:40:29,302 --> 00:40:31,136 "I totally disagree with your review in this morning's paper." 705 00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:37,517 The success of the show was undeniable, 706 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:40,228 except we were not on in two major markets: 707 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:42,480 New York and Los Angeles. 708 00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:44,316 Here I am at the little popcorn shop 709 00:40:44,483 --> 00:40:47,110 a half a block from the screening room where I see all the movies. 710 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,903 This is the Chicago Theater on State Street. 711 00:40:49,071 --> 00:40:52,324 Their position was, if there's gonna be a movie show, 712 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,284 it's not gonna be two guys from Chicago. 713 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:59,122 We're gonna have New York critics, or we're Hollywood. 714 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:00,665 Who are these guys, right? 715 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,917 This is not Andrew Sarris, and Pauline Kael. 716 00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:05,670 And it's also not the kind of, the wised up players 717 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,255 who might be in Los Angeles. 718 00:41:07,423 --> 00:41:08,715 What do these people have to tell us about movies? 719 00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:20,518 The arrival of Pauline Kael on the scene shook everything up. 720 00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:22,270 The New Yorker recognized that 721 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:25,273 maybe this was the time for a new kind of movie criticism. 722 00:41:25,441 --> 00:41:29,402 Suddenly movie critics become new players in the game. 723 00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:31,780 You weren't crazy about Prince of the City. 724 00:41:31,947 --> 00:41:33,907 No. Prince of the City. 725 00:41:34,075 --> 00:41:37,410 I thought, it really, as a piece of narrative, 726 00:41:37,578 --> 00:41:40,455 it's almost a case study in confusion. 727 00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:45,085 Kael's influence shaped how critics looked at movies... 728 00:41:45,252 --> 00:41:47,379 ...and how people read them. 729 00:41:47,546 --> 00:41:51,299 Film was taken seriously and so were film critics. 730 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:53,968 Andrew Sarris was promoting 731 00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:57,389 the idea of the director as the maker of the film, 732 00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:01,851 and Pauline Kael, elevating film writing, 733 00:42:02,019 --> 00:42:04,145 film criticism as an art. 734 00:42:04,313 --> 00:42:07,649 But these were towering figures, clashing. 735 00:42:07,817 --> 00:42:09,401 Rather like Siskel and Ebert, 736 00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:11,945 but with more intellectual heft. 737 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:14,739 Uh-oh, Gene. This bowser in the balcony 738 00:42:14,907 --> 00:42:16,282 means it's time for Dog Of The Week. 739 00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:19,285 A regular feature where each of us picks the week's worst movie. 740 00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,413 Well, Roger, you and Spot may not believe this, 741 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,915 but I have just seen my first nudie karate film. 742 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,291 - You're kidding. - No. 743 00:42:25,459 --> 00:42:28,670 Roger once said, "Do you think Pauline Kael 744 00:42:28,838 --> 00:42:31,881 would be working with a dog?" 745 00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:34,634 I don't know Pauline Kael, I never knew Pauline Kael. 746 00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:37,512 But fuck Pauline Kael. 747 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,514 Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel 748 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:42,142 were the most powerful critics of all time. 749 00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:43,977 In any realm. 750 00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:47,147 Finally, they had to cave in 751 00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:50,024 and run the show in New York and L.A. 752 00:42:50,192 --> 00:42:53,361 It was a victory we relished, I have to tell you. 753 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:58,324 Here to help us sort the blockbusters from the bombs 754 00:42:58,492 --> 00:43:02,620 are the team At the Movies, Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert. 755 00:43:04,331 --> 00:43:06,750 You guys live in Chicago still, down there in Oprah-land? 756 00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:08,460 What I'd like to do is come to Chicago one night 757 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:11,045 and we'll just go nuts. We'll just get stinking drunk. 758 00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:12,714 We'll go out and eat steaks all night. 759 00:43:12,882 --> 00:43:14,799 My next two guests are regarded as the most popular 760 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:16,593 and most important film critics in the country. 761 00:43:19,221 --> 00:43:21,848 They are the two most influential movie critics in the country. 762 00:43:24,143 --> 00:43:26,394 Is there anybody more popular? We'll find out and ask them. 763 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,191 And ultimately, 764 00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:32,984 I think they were on the Johnny Carson Show 765 00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:35,361 more than just about anybody. 766 00:43:36,155 --> 00:43:38,114 Is there something out there that is really so bad? 767 00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:41,075 Roger? 768 00:43:41,243 --> 00:43:43,661 I can't really recommend Three Amigos. 769 00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:48,708 It's the Christmas picture I like the least. 770 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:53,546 - This is the happy hour. - Yes. 771 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:55,590 I don't think I'd ask you if I knew you were gonna say that. 772 00:43:55,758 --> 00:43:57,342 Chevy Chase has made a lot of good movies, 773 00:43:57,510 --> 00:44:00,386 and God willing, he will make a lot more good movies in the future. 774 00:44:00,554 --> 00:44:02,263 - With your help. - Yes, well, I... 775 00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:04,891 Yes, with your help. 776 00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:07,519 There is a tendency for somebody... 777 00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:12,941 ...who is naturally funny, 778 00:44:13,108 --> 00:44:18,613 as Chevy is, to try to get laughs 779 00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:21,324 by standing there and ad-libbing 780 00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:22,867 when somebody else is trying to talk. 781 00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:24,828 That's right. 782 00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:28,039 The movie studios went from helping us... 783 00:44:28,791 --> 00:44:31,584 to hating us, to fearing us. 784 00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:33,920 The circulations of all of the newspaper critics, 785 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:35,839 and all of the magazines, could not match 786 00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,258 the reach of the show at its height. 787 00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:40,885 It became quite clear very often 788 00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:44,722 that the film companies cared a lot about Roger and Gene seeing it, 789 00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:47,183 but not so much about the rest of us. 790 00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:51,145 Two thumbs up became everything for a Hollywood movie. 791 00:44:51,313 --> 00:44:52,897 Back when moviemakers still thought 792 00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:55,692 critics' enthusiasm could sell a movie. 793 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,194 In 1991, Richard Corliss published 794 00:44:58,362 --> 00:45:02,991 a piece in Film Comment about how the show 795 00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:07,912 was ruining and vulgarizing film criticism. 796 00:45:09,623 --> 00:45:11,416 "Will anyone read this story? 797 00:45:11,584 --> 00:45:15,378 It has too many words and not enough pictures. 798 00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:18,131 Does anyone read this magazine? 799 00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:22,010 Every article in it wants to be a meal, not a McNugget. 800 00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:24,345 Is anyone reading film criticism? 801 00:45:24,513 --> 00:45:27,181 It lacks punch, the clips, the thumbs. 802 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:30,768 I simply don't want people to think that what they have to do on TV 803 00:45:30,936 --> 00:45:32,520 is what I am supposed to do in print. 804 00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:36,107 I don't want junk food to be the only cuisine at the banquet." 805 00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:39,068 Yeah, etcetera. 806 00:45:41,488 --> 00:45:44,032 Uh... I really did sound angry there, 807 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:48,119 but it seemed to me that the Siskel-Ebert effect 808 00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:51,623 was that a film was either good or bad 809 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:54,334 and the rest didn't matter so much. 810 00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,879 I am the first to agree with Corliss 811 00:45:58,005 --> 00:45:59,589 that the Siskel and Ebert program 812 00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:01,799 is not in depth film criticism. 813 00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:05,178 As indeed, how could it be, given our time constraints. 814 00:46:10,392 --> 00:46:12,685 But we would have to do it for our own amusement 815 00:46:12,853 --> 00:46:14,812 because nobody would play it on television. 816 00:46:16,482 --> 00:46:18,232 The program's purpose is to provide 817 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,652 exactly what Corliss says it provides: 818 00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:24,113 information on what's new at the movies, who's in it, 819 00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,866 and whether the critic thinks it's any good or not. 820 00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:29,869 If you're talking about film criticism in a serious way, 821 00:46:30,037 --> 00:46:33,331 consumer advice is not the same thing as criticism. 822 00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:36,000 To assume that something is good for everybody, 823 00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:40,213 or bad for everybody is insulting to everybody. 824 00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:44,842 The subject of Crash left me feeling empty. 825 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,261 Crash has some beautiful bodies on view, 826 00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:49,555 but also some ugly ideas. 827 00:46:49,723 --> 00:46:54,352 The car crash is a fertilizing rather than a destructive event. 828 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,813 When we have an opinion about a movie, 829 00:46:56,981 --> 00:46:59,232 that opinion may light a bulb over the head 830 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,651 of an ambitious youth who then understands 831 00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:04,445 that people can make up their own minds about the movies. 832 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,864 I think I liked the movie a lot more than you did. 833 00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:08,449 I'd like to make it clear that most people are probably 834 00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:10,743 going to hate it, be repelled by it or walk out of it, 835 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:12,203 just as they did at the Cannes Film Festival. 836 00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:14,539 - Why is that? - Because it's too tough to take. 837 00:47:14,707 --> 00:47:17,959 The reason Roger loved being on television 838 00:47:18,127 --> 00:47:20,169 is that at his heart, 839 00:47:20,337 --> 00:47:23,423 he really is a populist. 840 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:27,427 Roger believes that everybody ought to be able to get a movie. 841 00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:31,180 I think they were conscientious about trying to 842 00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:33,808 do what they were doing as well as they could, 843 00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:35,935 and as seriously as they could. 844 00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:39,605 But invariably, a show like Gene and Roger's show 845 00:47:39,773 --> 00:47:41,941 becomes a part of that mainstream system. 846 00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:43,860 This week, Siskel and Ebert review 847 00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:46,362 Arnold Schwarzenegger in Last Action Hero. 848 00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:50,116 And by and large, the purpose of mainstream reviewing 849 00:47:50,284 --> 00:47:52,118 is not just to valorize films 850 00:47:52,286 --> 00:47:54,454 that get multi-million dollar ad campaigns. 851 00:47:54,621 --> 00:47:56,581 ... Jurassic Park. 852 00:47:56,749 --> 00:47:58,708 But to eliminate everything else. 853 00:47:58,876 --> 00:48:03,546 I think what Gene and Roger did was the opposite of that. 854 00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:06,382 Roger went out and he looked for people like Michael Moore. 855 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:08,634 He looked for people like me. 856 00:48:21,106 --> 00:48:23,024 As a film critic, he was somebody 857 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,527 who gave life to new voices, gave life to new visions, 858 00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:29,697 that reflected all the diversity of this nation. 859 00:48:29,865 --> 00:48:32,116 Different classes, points of view, 860 00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:34,243 he wanted it all out there. 861 00:48:36,872 --> 00:48:38,456 My assurance to the pet owner 862 00:48:39,249 --> 00:48:42,043 that they will be reunited with their pet. 863 00:48:42,211 --> 00:48:44,712 My first film, Gates of Heaven. 864 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,380 There was a newspaper strike. 865 00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:49,967 And so the movie wasn't reviewed 866 00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:54,013 by any of the New York newspapers, which is a disaster. 867 00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:56,224 I miss that little black kitten so much. 868 00:48:56,391 --> 00:48:59,894 I just thought, that's it, the movie's just going to vanish. 869 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,896 Both of them wanted to review it. 870 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:05,441 I was troubled because the number of theaters 871 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:07,860 in which it was playing was extremely small, 872 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:09,362 and here you have a show that's being shown 873 00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:11,989 on 300 some-odd public television stations around the country. 874 00:49:12,157 --> 00:49:13,616 How are people gonna get to see it? 875 00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,409 Let's move on to a movie now 876 00:49:15,577 --> 00:49:18,121 that I think is one of the most brilliant, weird, and unusual 877 00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:20,873 American documentary films I've seen in a long time. 878 00:49:21,041 --> 00:49:22,917 And then really out of nowhere, 879 00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:26,087 those guys started reviewing Gates of Heaven. 880 00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:29,090 Well, I agree with you completely. I think it's a superb film. 881 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,634 Then they found an excuse to review it again. 882 00:49:31,802 --> 00:49:34,345 There are films that we call "Buried Treasures." 883 00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:35,638 And a third time. 884 00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:38,057 I don't think anyone who's seen this film can ever forget it. 885 00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:39,809 I believe that I would not 886 00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:43,229 really have a career if not for those guys. 887 00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,443 I made my first film. I kind of made it alone. 888 00:49:49,611 --> 00:49:51,654 I didn't know anyone in the industry. 889 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:53,948 I don't even know how I got Roger's email, 890 00:49:54,116 --> 00:49:56,033 but I emailed, assuming no one would answer. 891 00:49:56,201 --> 00:49:59,245 And he answered. And he said, "If your film gets into Sundance," 892 00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:01,080 tell me and I would watch it there." 893 00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:02,665 So then later, the film did go to Sundance, 894 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,792 and I emailed him again, and he said, 895 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,420 "Yes, I'll come to see it." I said, "Here are the three times." 896 00:50:07,588 --> 00:50:09,338 He didn't come to the first screening, 897 00:50:09,506 --> 00:50:11,048 he didn't come to the second screening, 898 00:50:11,216 --> 00:50:13,176 and the last screening was a Sunday morning, I think, 899 00:50:13,343 --> 00:50:16,345 8:00 a.m., on the last day of the festival. 900 00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:18,931 I said he's probably not even here. 901 00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:21,517 In fact, he was one of the first people there. 902 00:50:21,685 --> 00:50:23,603 And I was there with my actor, and he said, 903 00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:25,188 "Do you mind if I take some pictures 904 00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:27,982 with you and your actor, just in case I like the film? 905 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:30,401 If I don't like it, don't worry, I'll never use them." 906 00:50:38,202 --> 00:50:41,162 I was, I think, I was maybe eight or nine or something, 907 00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:45,041 and my Aunt Denise, who was a massive film geek, 908 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:48,002 who passed her film geekdom onto me, 909 00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:50,922 found out about these rehearsals for the Oscars, 910 00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,799 and one day he walked through. 911 00:50:53,967 --> 00:50:56,302 And I remember saying, "Thumbs up! Thumbs up!" 912 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:58,846 screaming, screaming, and he came over. 913 00:50:59,014 --> 00:51:00,932 I grew up. 914 00:51:01,099 --> 00:51:03,309 I made this film when I was 34 years old. 915 00:51:03,477 --> 00:51:05,186 It was the first film I ever made. 916 00:51:05,354 --> 00:51:07,313 You're second generation. 917 00:51:09,691 --> 00:51:11,859 Joshua Tree generation. 918 00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:14,820 The film was about my aunt, 919 00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:17,198 my aunt who took me to the Oscar's that day. 920 00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:18,866 Nothing wrong with that. 921 00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:21,118 And about losing someone that you love. 922 00:51:21,286 --> 00:51:24,956 And it was Ebert's review that really got to the heart 923 00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:27,124 of what I was trying to articulate. 924 00:51:27,292 --> 00:51:30,127 And just touched me so much, 925 00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:33,673 that I sent him the picture from the Oscar's. 926 00:51:41,306 --> 00:51:44,934 His reply was, "We were both younger then." 927 00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:51,065 The next day, a blog post turned up 928 00:51:51,233 --> 00:51:52,817 where he wrote, 929 00:51:52,985 --> 00:51:55,319 in a very heartfelt way, about his own aunt 930 00:51:55,487 --> 00:51:59,448 who kind of gave him the gift of art and film as well. 931 00:51:59,616 --> 00:52:03,369 You know, I broke down crying, and it was a mess. 932 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:08,207 It's dangerous as a black woman to give something that you've made 933 00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:09,917 from your point of view, 934 00:52:10,085 --> 00:52:11,794 very steeped in your identity and your personhood 935 00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:15,172 to a white man whose gaze is usually the exact opposite, 936 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:18,551 and to say, you are the carrier of this film to the public. 937 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,179 You're the one that's gonna dictate whether it has value. 938 00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:26,684 And you had a lot less fears around that with Roger. 939 00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:30,104 Because you knew it was someone who was gonna take it seriously, 940 00:52:30,272 --> 00:52:31,772 gonna come with some historical context, 941 00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:34,817 some cultural nuance. 942 00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:36,902 I mean, everybody knows Roger had a black wife. 943 00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:38,863 You know what I mean? You know. 944 00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:40,489 He's like an honorary brother. 945 00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:42,950 I mean, you live with a sister. 946 00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:46,120 That's a whole different understanding of black women, right? 947 00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:47,830 So maybe you watch my film differently. 948 00:52:48,957 --> 00:52:52,001 Every time I see him, I'll walk away with something new, you know. 949 00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:56,547 And every time I sit down at the table to do the work, 950 00:52:56,715 --> 00:52:58,341 I think about him, 951 00:52:58,508 --> 00:53:01,218 because what if something happens and I don't get to see him again. 952 00:53:02,304 --> 00:53:05,139 It was just a few days before Christmas. 953 00:53:05,307 --> 00:53:08,017 I said, "Well, Chaz, can I come there?" 954 00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:12,063 - So... - Merry Christmas. 955 00:53:13,774 --> 00:53:16,233 Come on over and say hi. 956 00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:18,986 How are you? Good to see you. 957 00:53:19,154 --> 00:53:20,613 What are you doing in here? 958 00:53:22,157 --> 00:53:23,991 Chaz is missing you at home, you gotta get out. 959 00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,912 Oh, I like the glasses. Get off the road... 960 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,956 It was nice to see him interacting with his grandkids. 961 00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:32,666 Grandpa Roger, do you think... 962 00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,002 I know that he must be in pain physically, 963 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:38,047 but he ends up being the happiest guy around. 964 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:41,133 - From the Christmas stocking. - From Santa. 965 00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,593 From Santa. 966 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:50,976 I just remember being so young, 967 00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:54,605 and watching for the first time so many movies 968 00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:56,732 and him sort of explaining to me, you know, 969 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,152 what's important about this one, or this is a really great movie. 970 00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:03,489 Ever heard of this film? 971 00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:06,117 This movie begins with seven children 972 00:54:06,284 --> 00:54:08,244 who are seven, and check in on them 973 00:54:08,412 --> 00:54:10,830 every seven years of their lives. 974 00:54:12,541 --> 00:54:15,501 Are they 56 now? Really? 975 00:54:15,669 --> 00:54:17,336 Oh, my gosh, wow. 976 00:54:17,504 --> 00:54:21,132 All the great conversations and things that he taught me 977 00:54:21,299 --> 00:54:24,927 about movies and life and family and books, 978 00:54:25,095 --> 00:54:27,680 and you know, all this stuff, I just... 979 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,644 Those experiences mean a lot to me. 980 00:54:33,812 --> 00:54:37,064 There's another chocolate bar, chocolate bars. 981 00:54:37,232 --> 00:54:39,650 So I spoke to Werner, I said I was coming to see you, 982 00:54:39,818 --> 00:54:41,193 and he sends his regards, 983 00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:43,154 and he says you have to keep writing 984 00:54:43,321 --> 00:54:45,990 because he's very worried about cinema. 985 00:54:46,158 --> 00:54:48,659 Can you say it the way Werner would say it? 986 00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:50,578 Oh, gosh. No. 987 00:54:50,745 --> 00:54:52,788 - Roger... - Roger you must get better. 988 00:54:52,956 --> 00:54:55,458 You must soldier on, Roger. 989 00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,084 Really bad shape. 990 00:54:57,252 --> 00:54:59,670 He's the soldier of cinema. 991 00:55:00,964 --> 00:55:02,882 He's a wounded comrade 992 00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:06,051 who cannot even speak anymore, and he plows on, 993 00:55:06,219 --> 00:55:08,220 and that touches my heart very deeply. 994 00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:15,436 I never dedicate films to anyone. 995 00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:23,486 I dedicated a film to him where I ventured out 996 00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,447 to the last corner of this planet... 997 00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:29,617 to Antarctica, 998 00:55:29,784 --> 00:55:31,327 to the ice. 999 00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:36,499 And from there I bow my head in his direction. 1000 00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:43,088 He reinforces my courage. 1001 00:55:49,262 --> 00:55:51,931 One time, I went to see Roger. 1002 00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:55,809 He was kind of eager and bouncing to give me something. 1003 00:55:55,977 --> 00:56:00,147 He gave me this letter, actually from Laura Dern. 1004 00:56:00,315 --> 00:56:02,024 "Dear Roger, I want you to know 1005 00:56:02,192 --> 00:56:05,194 that your generosity and expertise 1006 00:56:05,362 --> 00:56:07,613 at the Sundance Tribute meant the world to me. 1007 00:56:07,781 --> 00:56:10,950 I've tried to come up with an appropriate way to thank you. 1008 00:56:11,117 --> 00:56:14,912 This box and its contents, a jigsaw puzzle, 1009 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,872 I have treasured for some time. 1010 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,833 It was given to me by the Strasberg family 1011 00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:22,920 when Lee Strasberg passed away. 1012 00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:26,799 It was Marilyn Monroe's, who collected puzzles, 1013 00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:29,885 and it had been given to her by Alfred Hitchcock. 1014 00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:32,972 That night at Sundance you inspired me 1015 00:56:33,139 --> 00:56:37,184 about film and contribution and I wanted to pass along 1016 00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:40,646 film and connection in some way. Thank you again. 1017 00:56:40,814 --> 00:56:43,107 Love to you and Chaz. Laura." 1018 00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:46,277 And then Roger gave me this gift, which I refused. 1019 00:56:46,444 --> 00:56:47,778 I said, "You cannot give me this gift. 1020 00:56:47,946 --> 00:56:49,613 I cannot accept this gift." 1021 00:56:49,781 --> 00:56:51,949 And then he said, "You're going to accept the gift, 1022 00:56:52,117 --> 00:56:53,784 because you have to one day give this 1023 00:56:53,952 --> 00:56:56,495 to somebody else who deserves it." 1024 00:57:03,128 --> 00:57:05,045 What's it a jigsaw puzzle of? 1025 00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:07,798 I've always been terrified to make it. 1026 00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:14,388 I mean, this is the jigsaw puzzle 1027 00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:18,142 that Alfred Hitchcock gave Marilyn Monroe. 1028 00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:31,363 In the autumn of 1967, 1029 00:57:31,906 --> 00:57:34,325 I saw a movie named I Call First, 1030 00:57:34,492 --> 00:57:38,078 later to be retitled, Who's That Knocking at My Door. 1031 00:57:40,123 --> 00:57:42,499 The energy of the cutting grabbed me. 1032 00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:46,003 It was the work of a natural director. 1033 00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:48,422 I wrote a review suggesting in 10 years 1034 00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:51,842 he would become the American Fellini. 1035 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:54,553 I said, "You think it's gonna take that long?", and I was serious. 1036 00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:57,514 I'm just like, it's over here. What are you talking about? 1037 00:57:58,224 --> 00:58:01,435 It was the first real strong encouragement. 1038 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:03,604 Yes, there are defects in the movie. 1039 00:58:03,772 --> 00:58:07,733 But he saw something special and that had to be nourished. 1040 00:58:07,901 --> 00:58:09,652 As you know, I carried your review around with me 1041 00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:13,197 when I was in Europe in 1968. It made me... 1042 00:58:13,365 --> 00:58:15,741 I kept reading. Is that really about me? You know, wow. 1043 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,247 So refreshing to find a director and an actor 1044 00:58:22,415 --> 00:58:24,917 working right at the top of their form. 1045 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:28,253 I think Raging Bull is one of the great American pictures of the year. 1046 00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:32,591 His greatest film is an act of self-redemption. 1047 00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:36,053 In the period before it, he'd become addicted to cocaine 1048 00:58:36,221 --> 00:58:39,223 and told me that after an overdose, he was pronounced dead 1049 00:58:39,391 --> 00:58:42,351 in an emergency room and resuscitated. 1050 00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:47,564 During the '80s was extremely... I was gone, basically. 1051 00:58:47,732 --> 00:58:51,485 Broke, and I'd gone through some bad, bad periods. 1052 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:54,113 My third marriage had broken up, 1053 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,198 and I was basically alone. 1054 00:58:56,366 --> 00:58:58,409 The only thing that saved me 1055 00:58:58,576 --> 00:59:00,327 or made me want to... 1056 00:59:02,831 --> 00:59:06,500 continue just like living, in a way, was my agent called 1057 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:08,627 and said, "You know, there's this festival up in Toronto." 1058 00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:10,254 I said, "Yeah." 1059 00:59:10,422 --> 00:59:12,339 "Roger Ebert, Gene Siskel, 1060 00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:14,508 they wanna give you this tribute." 1061 00:59:16,136 --> 00:59:17,928 I was kind of scared. 1062 00:59:18,096 --> 00:59:21,056 Could I walk down this theater aisle 1063 00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:24,435 and go up on a stage, knowing who I am? 1064 00:59:26,229 --> 00:59:28,063 But I knew that they believed in me, 1065 00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:29,815 and I have that in my house now, 1066 00:59:29,983 --> 00:59:32,192 in a special place where only I can see it, 1067 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,489 that I pass by every maybe, five to six minutes, I see it. 1068 00:59:37,657 --> 00:59:41,201 But that night changed it. 1069 00:59:41,369 --> 00:59:44,538 And I started my life again, you know. 1070 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,710 It was... 1071 00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:58,177 I didn't feel inhibited with Roger. 1072 00:59:58,344 --> 01:00:00,179 He was that close. 1073 01:00:01,347 --> 01:00:05,184 Roger has, unlike just about any of the rest of us, 1074 01:00:05,351 --> 01:00:08,020 arrived at this point where he is 1075 01:00:08,188 --> 01:00:09,646 kind of the peer of the people, 1076 01:00:09,814 --> 01:00:11,857 of some of the people that he writes about. 1077 01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:14,860 It's very complicated, I think, when you have 1078 01:00:15,028 --> 01:00:17,321 personal relationships and friendships with these people, 1079 01:00:17,489 --> 01:00:20,532 because it cannot but cloud your judgment. 1080 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,326 I am infinitely corruptible. 1081 01:00:22,494 --> 01:00:25,579 I do not want to get to know these people as people. 1082 01:00:25,747 --> 01:00:27,998 I want to think of them as fictional characters. 1083 01:00:28,166 --> 01:00:29,917 I mean, my obligation is to write 1084 01:00:30,084 --> 01:00:31,835 what I think about a movie, 1085 01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:34,713 and not to worry about someone I know 1086 01:00:34,881 --> 01:00:37,341 perching on my shoulder saying, "No, I wouldn't say that." 1087 01:00:37,509 --> 01:00:39,384 When you look at the nineteenth century 1088 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:41,053 and the great critics in music, 1089 01:00:41,221 --> 01:00:45,098 they hung together, critics and artists. 1090 01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:47,142 They were in the same circles. 1091 01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:50,312 And that helped the critics and it helped the composers. 1092 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,650 Roger brought back that concept and he was criticized for it. 1093 01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:02,074 That was real distracting for me there, 1094 01:01:02,242 --> 01:01:04,159 the way all those pool balls bounced around like that, 1095 01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:05,869 and the scene gets even worse as it goes on. 1096 01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:07,663 And it's all the more disappointing 1097 01:01:07,831 --> 01:01:10,666 because The Color of Money was directed by Martin Scorsese, 1098 01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:13,418 who is one of the two or three best movie directors around today. 1099 01:01:14,462 --> 01:01:16,713 Devastating. 1100 01:01:16,881 --> 01:01:19,675 It doesn't have the interior energy, and the drive, 1101 01:01:19,843 --> 01:01:21,927 and the obsession of most of the best Scorsese films. 1102 01:01:22,095 --> 01:01:24,137 - The script isn't good. - It's just a standard, 1103 01:01:24,305 --> 01:01:25,556 sort of predictable narrative. 1104 01:01:26,432 --> 01:01:30,435 I said, I know, but beautiful... Michael Ballhouse, Paul Newman. 1105 01:01:30,603 --> 01:01:32,813 But you know, they wouldn't accept it. 1106 01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:36,692 That was a way of condemning and helping. 1107 01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:39,319 In other words, you've done this now, once, 1108 01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:41,780 you may have done it twice, but watch yourself. 1109 01:01:41,948 --> 01:01:46,910 As opposed to toxic, poisonous, unkind, 1110 01:01:47,078 --> 01:01:51,582 ungenerous, lack of charity, on so many others. 1111 01:01:51,749 --> 01:01:55,627 I think he was a tougher critic when he was younger. 1112 01:01:55,795 --> 01:01:59,131 He could be really cutting, and relentless, 1113 01:01:59,299 --> 01:02:01,925 and ruthless, and sarcastic. 1114 01:02:04,721 --> 01:02:06,763 You motherfucker! 1115 01:02:12,645 --> 01:02:14,521 Not a bad movie, but it's not original, 1116 01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:16,523 - and it's not a masterpiece. - I think it's very original 1117 01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:17,983 and very close to being a masterpiece. 1118 01:02:18,151 --> 01:02:21,904 I have never felt a kill in a movie quite like that. 1119 01:02:22,071 --> 01:02:23,947 Not in Apocalypse Now, not in The Deer Hunter? 1120 01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:26,074 No, not like that. Not like that. 1121 01:02:26,242 --> 01:02:27,534 In that case, you're gonna love the late show 1122 01:02:27,702 --> 01:02:29,202 because they have kills like that every night 1123 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:31,079 in black and white starring John Wayne. 1124 01:02:31,247 --> 01:02:33,582 They would get into their cross talk. 1125 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,793 The camera would stop, they would still be at it. 1126 01:02:36,961 --> 01:02:38,629 And I disagree particularly about the part that you like. 1127 01:02:38,796 --> 01:02:41,423 They truly felt it in their soul. 1128 01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:44,343 They could still show them the error of their ways, 1129 01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:45,928 the folly of their thinking. 1130 01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:48,138 Benji the Hunted exhausted me. 1131 01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:50,390 This is the first time I wanted to tell a dog 1132 01:02:50,558 --> 01:02:52,768 to slow down and stop to smell the flowers. 1133 01:02:52,936 --> 01:02:56,104 I don't know, Gene. Your review is the typical sort of 1134 01:02:56,272 --> 01:02:58,732 blasé, sophisticated, cynical review... 1135 01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:00,317 I'll take the word "sophisticated." 1136 01:03:00,485 --> 01:03:01,860 ...I would expect from an adult. 1137 01:03:02,028 --> 01:03:03,904 You're wrapping yourself in the flag of children. 1138 01:03:04,072 --> 01:03:06,657 You're wrapping yourself in the flag of the sophisticated film critic. 1139 01:03:06,824 --> 01:03:08,367 - No, boredom. - You've seen it all. 1140 01:03:08,534 --> 01:03:09,826 Boredom with Benji running. 1141 01:03:09,994 --> 01:03:11,828 I don't think that any child is gonna be bored by this movie. 1142 01:03:11,996 --> 01:03:14,164 It was not you know, gentlemanly, it was not, 1143 01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:15,624 "Well, I see you have a good point." 1144 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,459 It was I'm gonna crush you. 1145 01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:19,670 And this is the show where you give Benji The Hunted 1146 01:03:19,837 --> 01:03:21,713 a positive review and not Kubrick's film? 1147 01:03:21,881 --> 01:03:23,256 Now, Gene, that's totally unfair, 1148 01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:26,176 because you realize that these reviews are relative. 1149 01:03:26,344 --> 01:03:28,053 Benji the Hunted is not one-tenth the film... 1150 01:03:28,221 --> 01:03:29,972 - Roger... ...that the Kubrick film is 1151 01:03:30,139 --> 01:03:31,765 but you know that you review films within context. 1152 01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:33,767 And you know it, and you should be ashamed of yourself. 1153 01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:35,602 - No, I'm not. - Now let's take another look... 1154 01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:39,898 They almost didn't care what anyone else thought about anything, 1155 01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:42,234 as long as they could try to persuade the other. 1156 01:03:42,402 --> 01:03:44,653 And I'm not talking about just, about movie reviews. 1157 01:03:44,821 --> 01:03:46,863 I'm talking about anything in life, 1158 01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:49,658 the tie you're wearing, what you think of that person, 1159 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:51,785 a book, a restaurant. 1160 01:03:51,953 --> 01:03:55,872 When there was, and when wasn't there disagreement, 1161 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,125 the coin of the realm was the quarter. 1162 01:03:58,292 --> 01:03:59,751 It's hard to think of anything 1163 01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:02,504 that wasn't decided by a coin toss. 1164 01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:05,882 Were we going to get tuna fish sandwiches for lunch? 1165 01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:08,969 Who would get one movie, who would get another movie. 1166 01:04:09,137 --> 01:04:11,471 Who got to sit next to Johnny Carson on the couch. 1167 01:04:14,308 --> 01:04:15,809 They actually wanted us 1168 01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:18,729 to change the opening of the show every week 1169 01:04:18,896 --> 01:04:20,480 so that Roger would be first one week 1170 01:04:20,648 --> 01:04:23,108 and Gene would be first the next week, and we said no. 1171 01:04:23,276 --> 01:04:25,902 Why is the show Siskel and Ebert? 1172 01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:28,071 And by the way will it ever be Ebert and Siskel? 1173 01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:29,823 No. 1174 01:04:29,991 --> 01:04:31,408 You've signed on to Siskel and... 1175 01:04:31,576 --> 01:04:33,160 There's a long story about that. 1176 01:04:33,327 --> 01:04:35,412 A long story. You know, I'm older, 1177 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:37,122 I've been a movie critic longer, 1178 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,124 E comes before S in the alphabet, 1179 01:04:39,292 --> 01:04:41,251 I've got the Pulitzer Prize, 1180 01:04:41,419 --> 01:04:43,587 and yet it's called Siskel and Ebert. 1181 01:04:43,755 --> 01:04:46,048 And if you wanna know why that is, you can ask Siskel. 1182 01:04:46,215 --> 01:04:47,424 A flip of the coin. 1183 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:51,720 Gene Siskel was among the most competitive people 1184 01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:53,764 on the face of this planet. 1185 01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:56,183 But Roger always could lord it over Gene 1186 01:04:56,350 --> 01:04:58,518 that he had a Pulitzer Prize. 1187 01:04:58,686 --> 01:05:01,438 Roger was a bit of a braggadocio. 1188 01:05:01,606 --> 01:05:03,940 He was a great raconteur. 1189 01:05:04,108 --> 01:05:06,693 But frankly, he was full of himself. 1190 01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:09,488 Roger was a bit of a control freak. 1191 01:05:09,655 --> 01:05:11,948 He could not direct Gene Siskel. 1192 01:05:12,116 --> 01:05:15,994 He was a rogue planet in Roger's solar system. 1193 01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:19,956 Gene was a source of madness in Roger's life. 1194 01:05:20,124 --> 01:05:22,334 Roger is an only child. 1195 01:05:22,502 --> 01:05:25,712 He was used to getting his way. Absolutely. 1196 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,091 And he could be a real big baby 1197 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:31,176 when he didn't get what he wanted. 1198 01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:34,346 Gene, on the other hand, would just go in there 1199 01:05:34,514 --> 01:05:37,057 and pummel you until you agree with him, 1200 01:05:37,225 --> 01:05:39,434 until you just say, "All right, Gene! 1201 01:05:39,602 --> 01:05:41,269 Okay, you're right. Got it." 1202 01:05:41,437 --> 01:05:43,188 It wasn't a game with him. 1203 01:05:43,356 --> 01:05:45,273 He saw something, he wanted it to happen. 1204 01:05:45,441 --> 01:05:47,150 He made it happen. 1205 01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:48,443 Gene was very good 1206 01:05:48,569 --> 01:05:51,238 at reading Roger's date book upside down. 1207 01:05:51,405 --> 01:05:55,158 As soon as he saw L.A. and the date, 1208 01:05:55,326 --> 01:05:57,202 he knew what films were coming out. 1209 01:05:57,370 --> 01:05:58,662 He knew what big star 1210 01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:01,039 that Roger would be going out to interview. 1211 01:06:01,207 --> 01:06:05,544 And that's all it took for him to make sure 1212 01:06:05,711 --> 01:06:08,380 that he got the interview before Roger got it. 1213 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:11,925 Fumes you could almost see coming out of Roger's head, you know. 1214 01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:16,096 Gene had done him in again, that wascally wabbit. 1215 01:06:16,264 --> 01:06:18,557 Roger, who was the picture 1216 01:06:18,724 --> 01:06:21,226 of equanimity for most of his life, 1217 01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:25,772 did all of a sudden, produce a petulance that I hadn't seen before. 1218 01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:28,316 I thought this movie was awful. 1219 01:06:28,484 --> 01:06:30,652 - Oh, no, Roger. - Dreadful, terrible, 1220 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:32,404 stupid, idiotic... 1221 01:06:32,572 --> 01:06:34,114 - No, no. ...unfunny, labored... 1222 01:06:34,282 --> 01:06:37,576 ...forced, painful, bad. - Oh, Roger, Roger. 1223 01:06:37,743 --> 01:06:39,077 What happened to your sense of humor? 1224 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:42,455 I don't think Roger was, by nature, a fighter. 1225 01:06:42,623 --> 01:06:45,375 But it's like, if you have a brother 1226 01:06:45,543 --> 01:06:50,088 who likes to fight all the time, so then you learn how to fight. 1227 01:06:51,757 --> 01:06:53,508 And Gene had his number. 1228 01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:56,011 Gene knew the buttons to push and everything else. 1229 01:06:57,555 --> 01:07:00,432 They're in a first class cabin, 1230 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,684 Gene's in one of the front rows. 1231 01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:05,979 Roger's behind him, and Gene hears 1232 01:07:06,147 --> 01:07:09,649 the same old stories that he's heard over and over again. 1233 01:07:09,817 --> 01:07:12,027 And he's just annoyed. 1234 01:07:12,195 --> 01:07:13,695 He writes a little note 1235 01:07:13,863 --> 01:07:16,281 and he gives it to the flight attendant. 1236 01:07:16,449 --> 01:07:19,618 Said, "Would you pass this to Mr. Ebert?" 1237 01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:23,371 So Roger gets the note, and it says, "Dear Mr. Ebert, 1238 01:07:23,539 --> 01:07:27,584 we in the cockpit have noticed that you are on our flight. 1239 01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:32,839 Frankly, we both agree more with you than your partner, 1240 01:07:33,007 --> 01:07:36,426 and we would be so honored if you would join us 1241 01:07:36,594 --> 01:07:39,721 in the cockpit for a bit of the flight." 1242 01:07:39,889 --> 01:07:44,100 I mean, Gene knows that Roger was really excited. 1243 01:07:44,268 --> 01:07:46,937 He gets into the aisle, and Roger was a big guy then, 1244 01:07:47,104 --> 01:07:49,648 he just kind of bounds down the aisle, 1245 01:07:49,815 --> 01:07:53,693 and gets ready to knock on the door of the cabin. 1246 01:07:53,861 --> 01:07:55,779 And you know, the flight attendants 1247 01:07:55,947 --> 01:07:59,032 and people are horrified, and Gene says, 1248 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,286 "Dear Mr. Ebert, we in the cockpit." 1249 01:08:07,708 --> 01:08:09,000 Gotcha. 1250 01:08:09,168 --> 01:08:12,337 And he finally tells Gene Siskel, you know, "You just hate me. 1251 01:08:12,505 --> 01:08:14,089 You just don't like me," you know. 1252 01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:18,885 I mean, that relationship was absolutely radioactive. 1253 01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:21,596 Two thrillers this week on Siskel and Ebert. 1254 01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:24,099 First, we'll review Michael Caine and Pierce Brosnan 1255 01:08:24,267 --> 01:08:27,394 - in The Fourth Protocol. - And then, Gene Hackman 1256 01:08:27,561 --> 01:08:29,062 and Kevin Costner star in No Way Out, 1257 01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:31,106 and we have a third thriller, too if you're interested. 1258 01:08:31,274 --> 01:08:32,857 What do you mean, two thrillers? 1259 01:08:33,025 --> 01:08:35,443 How about something like this: It's thriller week 1260 01:08:35,611 --> 01:08:37,654 on Siskel and Ebert and we've got three big ones. 1261 01:08:37,822 --> 01:08:40,782 Okay. Ready? 1262 01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:43,535 - I guess you're gonna do it. - We have to rewrite it, don't we? 1263 01:08:43,703 --> 01:08:46,246 - No. Let's... - You can't ad lib, Gene. 1264 01:08:46,414 --> 01:08:48,748 Can we for the last week, and next week we'll do it? 1265 01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:50,166 No, every week counts. 1266 01:08:50,334 --> 01:08:52,210 You read it then, you ad-lib it. 1267 01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:54,379 I'll do nothing. Let him do whatever he wants. 1268 01:08:54,547 --> 01:08:57,132 It's thriller week on Siskel and Ebert and the Movies, 1269 01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:58,967 and we've got three new ones. 1270 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:02,178 Gotta have energy up and the movie's out. 1271 01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:04,848 - Why don't you read both parts? - I'd like to. 1272 01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:07,058 - I know that. - Please get your energy up. 1273 01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:10,353 It's thriller week on Siskel and Ebert and the Movies, 1274 01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:11,938 and we've got three new ones. 1275 01:09:12,106 --> 01:09:13,523 Dennis Quaid in The Big Easy, 1276 01:09:13,691 --> 01:09:15,358 Michael Caine in The Fourth Protocol, 1277 01:09:15,526 --> 01:09:18,737 and Kevin Costner and Gene Hackman in No Way Out. 1278 01:09:18,904 --> 01:09:22,532 - Sound a little excited, Gene. - Sound less excited, Roger. 1279 01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:24,826 That's why we're re-doing it because of what you did. 1280 01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:28,997 It's thriller week on Siskel and Ebert At The Movies. 1281 01:09:29,165 --> 01:09:30,206 And we've got three new ones... 1282 01:09:30,374 --> 01:09:32,792 It's called And The Movies, not At The Movies. 1283 01:09:34,337 --> 01:09:36,212 And that's why we're re-doing it this time. 1284 01:09:38,716 --> 01:09:40,842 It's thriller week on Siskel and Ebert and the Movies. 1285 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:42,385 And we've got three new ones. 1286 01:09:42,553 --> 01:09:44,346 Dennis Quaid in The Big Easy, 1287 01:09:44,513 --> 01:09:46,973 Michael Caine in The Fourth Protocol, 1288 01:09:47,141 --> 01:09:50,268 and Kevin Costner and Gene Hackman in No Way Out. 1289 01:09:50,436 --> 01:09:54,105 That's this week on Siskel, and Ebert, 1290 01:09:54,273 --> 01:09:56,858 And the Movies, and the asshole. 1291 01:09:57,026 --> 01:09:58,651 Great. 1292 01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:03,323 They were still, in their hearts, 1293 01:10:03,491 --> 01:10:07,452 little boys fighting it out on the playground 1294 01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:10,205 and both of them expecting to win. 1295 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,845 I've been in here a little more than a month. 1296 01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:27,555 Can we stand? 1297 01:10:27,723 --> 01:10:30,725 I came in expecting to repair my walking ability 1298 01:10:30,893 --> 01:10:34,145 after the hairline fracture, but have discovered 1299 01:10:34,313 --> 01:10:35,397 that it wasn't that simple. 1300 01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:37,816 ...two, three, push up. 1301 01:10:43,322 --> 01:10:46,032 Bigger step with that right foot. 1302 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,952 Bigger step, Roger. 1303 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,831 I can no longer take good health for granted. 1304 01:10:54,041 --> 01:10:56,334 I hate that. 1305 01:10:56,502 --> 01:10:58,336 Big step. 1306 01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:06,636 - Pardon? - He's saying no. 1307 01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:08,638 Are you okay? 1308 01:11:08,806 --> 01:11:11,641 Do you want me to stop? Okay. 1309 01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:14,436 - That was good. - That was good. 1310 01:11:14,603 --> 01:11:16,563 That was good. That was good. 1311 01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,150 Relax. 1312 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,031 I never thought he'd have to be here again. 1313 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,910 He's at the best place... 1314 01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:33,037 but it's just overwhelming 1315 01:11:33,205 --> 01:11:36,124 to think that he's been here five times. 1316 01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:44,382 If he gave up, then it would be very difficult. 1317 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,186 Do you want your speakers plugged in? 1318 01:11:56,353 --> 01:11:58,688 You know what, let her suction you first. 1319 01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:01,274 Please, Roger. 1320 01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:04,777 Can you let the nurse do that first? 1321 01:12:07,198 --> 01:12:11,701 Roger, can we set this up after? 1322 01:12:11,869 --> 01:12:13,995 Roger. 1323 01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:24,088 He loves his music. 1324 01:12:26,967 --> 01:12:28,468 Ready? 1325 01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:43,316 Sounds good. 1326 01:12:48,322 --> 01:12:50,240 Sometimes, I just stare at him 1327 01:12:50,407 --> 01:12:54,619 and say where did this determination come from? 1328 01:12:59,708 --> 01:13:04,254 Roger had an inner core that was made of steel. 1329 01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:21,354 How have you kept your spirits up? 1330 01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:25,733 I've zeroed in on my work. 1331 01:13:25,901 --> 01:13:28,861 When I'm seeing a movie, or writing the review, 1332 01:13:29,029 --> 01:13:31,030 that makes me feel good. 1333 01:13:31,198 --> 01:13:34,617 You know how they talk about being in the zone? 1334 01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:37,161 When you're doing something you're good at, 1335 01:13:37,329 --> 01:13:39,122 you get in the zone. 1336 01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:43,293 It sort of pushes your troubles to the back of your mind. 1337 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:47,589 You have this tremendous body of work. 1338 01:13:47,756 --> 01:13:52,385 He's been writing for half of the history of feature films. 1339 01:13:52,553 --> 01:13:56,764 And that's just one slice of the cake. 1340 01:13:56,932 --> 01:14:00,059 A novel in weekly installments. 1341 01:14:00,227 --> 01:14:03,479 Just like Dickens. Not quite of that level. 1342 01:14:04,523 --> 01:14:09,319 He wrote a book about how to keep your computer bug-free. 1343 01:14:09,486 --> 01:14:11,863 Strolls through London. 1344 01:14:12,031 --> 01:14:14,907 A book about the Cannes Film Festival. 1345 01:14:15,075 --> 01:14:17,744 The Cannes Film Festival is one of those events 1346 01:14:17,911 --> 01:14:21,331 like the Super Bowl, Wimbledon, or the Kentucky Derby 1347 01:14:21,498 --> 01:14:24,125 that comes cloaked in its own legend. 1348 01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:26,878 This is Cannes on the French Riviera, 1349 01:14:27,046 --> 01:14:29,088 a fishing village since Roman times. 1350 01:14:29,256 --> 01:14:30,923 And every year in the month of May, 1351 01:14:31,091 --> 01:14:33,509 the population grows by forty thousand 1352 01:14:33,677 --> 01:14:35,970 for the world's most famous film festival. 1353 01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:41,768 It's been called the world's biggest party. 1354 01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:44,187 The town of Cannes is bursting to the seams 1355 01:14:44,355 --> 01:14:46,606 with directors, producers, and stars. 1356 01:14:46,774 --> 01:14:47,732 Hi. 1357 01:14:47,816 --> 01:14:49,025 It wouldn't be a Cannes Film Festival 1358 01:14:49,151 --> 01:14:52,445 without a beautiful blonde here on the terrace of the Carlton Hotel. 1359 01:14:52,613 --> 01:14:55,073 Here was this kid from Southern Illinois 1360 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,701 hobnobbing with all of the international movie stars. 1361 01:14:58,869 --> 01:15:00,995 That's me with Robert De Niro. 1362 01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:02,955 Yes, your faithful correspondent 1363 01:15:03,123 --> 01:15:04,916 is getting an exclusive interview. 1364 01:15:05,084 --> 01:15:07,669 And De Niro was telling me he's just happy to be here. 1365 01:15:07,836 --> 01:15:10,588 He loved that. He did, and they loved him. 1366 01:15:10,756 --> 01:15:13,466 Roger! Roger Ebert! 1367 01:15:14,927 --> 01:15:18,346 I always wake up very early in the morning after I arrive. 1368 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:22,600 I walk down the Rue Félix Faure, passing the flower sellers, 1369 01:15:22,768 --> 01:15:25,561 the fishmongers unloading iced oysters, 1370 01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:28,856 and at particular cafe, at a particular table, 1371 01:15:29,024 --> 01:15:31,484 I order, in shameful French, 1372 01:15:31,652 --> 01:15:35,405 a cafe au lait, a Perrier, and a croissant. 1373 01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:39,200 Such returns are an important ritual to me. 1374 01:15:39,368 --> 01:15:42,036 He stayed at the same frickin' little hotel in Cannes, 1375 01:15:42,204 --> 01:15:45,832 the Splendid, which is a dump. But he loved it. 1376 01:15:45,999 --> 01:15:48,084 I'd go over and see him at the Splendid, 1377 01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:50,920 and he'd say, "Tomorrow, be here at ten." 1378 01:15:51,088 --> 01:15:55,258 And so we go over to the Swedish Film Institute's hotel suite, 1379 01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:58,970 and there's Erland Josephson the actor lying on the bed, 1380 01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:01,514 and he and I talk about Ingmar Bergman for an hour. 1381 01:16:01,682 --> 01:16:04,392 You know, no interview, no formality. 1382 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,352 Just yacking. 1383 01:16:06,854 --> 01:16:08,438 If I am lucky, 1384 01:16:08,605 --> 01:16:11,774 something extraordinary will happen to me during this festival. 1385 01:16:11,942 --> 01:16:15,903 I will see a film that will make my spine tingle with its greatness. 1386 01:16:16,071 --> 01:16:18,698 And I will leave the theatre speechless. 1387 01:16:20,784 --> 01:16:22,952 It was at Cannes that I saw Bresson's 1388 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,830 precise, unforgiving L'Argent. 1389 01:16:25,998 --> 01:16:27,623 L'Argent. 1390 01:16:27,791 --> 01:16:29,000 A film that was 1391 01:16:31,462 --> 01:16:34,505 so cold on its surface, 1392 01:16:34,673 --> 01:16:37,383 that I finally realized that no man could make 1393 01:16:37,551 --> 01:16:40,344 such distant and austere films 1394 01:16:46,643 --> 01:16:49,604 There are Dantean levels to this festival. 1395 01:16:49,772 --> 01:16:52,774 At the top level is the official selection, 1396 01:16:52,941 --> 01:16:55,610 films chosen from all over the world. 1397 01:16:55,778 --> 01:16:57,695 But down, down, down, down here 1398 01:16:57,863 --> 01:17:00,740 in the basement of the Palais, this is the movie supermarket. 1399 01:17:00,908 --> 01:17:03,576 This is where they sell porno and exploitation 1400 01:17:03,744 --> 01:17:05,495 and horror and action and violence. 1401 01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:08,748 You take out ads in Variety saying we will buy movies 1402 01:17:08,916 --> 01:17:10,124 - sight unseen. - Right. 1403 01:17:10,292 --> 01:17:13,419 - Last year, 350 movies. - How do you sell them? 1404 01:17:13,587 --> 01:17:15,755 By the title, by the foot, by the inch? 1405 01:17:15,923 --> 01:17:16,964 By the pound. 1406 01:17:17,132 --> 01:17:19,300 Most of us were writing our stories 1407 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,469 after the festival was over. 1408 01:17:21,637 --> 01:17:23,888 Roger, anticipating the Internet, 1409 01:17:24,056 --> 01:17:25,848 or recalling daily journalism, 1410 01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:28,100 was filing stories all through the festival. 1411 01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:31,896 For best film, Kagemusha, which is the Akira Kurosawa film. 1412 01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:35,024 While photographers are trying to get 1413 01:17:35,192 --> 01:17:37,318 pictures of stars at the festival, 1414 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,779 would-be stars and hopefuls are trying to get their pictures 1415 01:17:39,947 --> 01:17:42,031 taken by photographers. 1416 01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:44,033 In the dreams of the starlet, 1417 01:17:44,201 --> 01:17:47,286 there's always that scene where the cigar-chomping producer 1418 01:17:47,454 --> 01:17:50,039 spots a lovely young woman on the Carlton terrace 1419 01:17:50,207 --> 01:17:52,583 and shouts, "Who is that girl? 1420 01:17:52,751 --> 01:17:55,711 I must have her for my next picture." 1421 01:17:55,879 --> 01:17:59,715 So much of what we did was not me as the producer 1422 01:17:59,883 --> 01:18:01,551 saying do this, do that, do that, was Roger. 1423 01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:03,177 He had fabulous ideas. 1424 01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:05,638 ...topless beaches, starlets, interviews. 1425 01:18:05,806 --> 01:18:09,016 Whenever we were doing something on the show 1426 01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:11,435 that required some creativity... 1427 01:18:11,603 --> 01:18:13,729 I don't know why you keep... that isn't the issue. 1428 01:18:13,897 --> 01:18:16,983 It was Gene who would usually win out that argument, 1429 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:20,403 and Roger would say, "Well... fine." 1430 01:18:22,823 --> 01:18:25,700 The Cannes Film Festival was only Roger. 1431 01:18:25,868 --> 01:18:30,246 He loved that he didn't have to convince someone else. 1432 01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:34,375 Roger had everything he needed. 1433 01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:37,503 Gene was just afraid that at some point 1434 01:18:37,671 --> 01:18:41,090 Roger would go it alone and quit. 1435 01:18:41,258 --> 01:18:43,593 And this literally haunted Gene. 1436 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,052 When the next contract would come up, 1437 01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:47,722 would Roger not be there? 1438 01:18:47,890 --> 01:18:52,018 Joe Antelo just sat down and did the math. 1439 01:18:52,185 --> 01:18:55,479 In syndication, we can put commercials around it. 1440 01:18:55,647 --> 01:18:59,650 So he offered Gene and Roger a tremendous amount of money. 1441 01:18:59,818 --> 01:19:03,154 Roger didn't go out and buy a new car or anything. 1442 01:19:03,322 --> 01:19:06,198 He moved out of that garage apartment he had. 1443 01:19:08,035 --> 01:19:11,662 I know that I would hear them sometimes talk about money, 1444 01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:15,041 like "Hey, big boy, did you get that check in the mail?" 1445 01:19:15,208 --> 01:19:19,337 These guys were Siamese twins joined at the rear end. 1446 01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:22,798 And they were gonna make this thing work. 1447 01:19:22,966 --> 01:19:25,217 Gene would say, and this is as they became 1448 01:19:25,385 --> 01:19:27,470 more and more of a team, 1449 01:19:27,638 --> 01:19:29,722 "He's an asshole. 1450 01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:31,807 But he's my asshole." 1451 01:19:31,975 --> 01:19:34,101 This week on Siskel and Ebert and the Movies, 1452 01:19:34,269 --> 01:19:36,812 the science fiction adventure, Robocop. 1453 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:39,023 Why don't we do that again? 1454 01:19:39,191 --> 01:19:41,651 Did you know that for Gene, speech is a second language? 1455 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,155 Roger's first language is, 1456 01:19:46,323 --> 01:19:48,240 "Yes, I'll have apple pie with my order." 1457 01:19:48,408 --> 01:19:50,159 He asks the McDonald's girl 1458 01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:52,453 if he can have apple pie with the order, 1459 01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:54,288 before they ask him. 1460 01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:56,832 And you know what Gene says when he goes into McDonald's? 1461 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,627 Can I have a apple with thei... with their order? 1462 01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:04,924 Okay, ready? 1463 01:20:05,092 --> 01:20:08,803 You know they don't get enough shit basically raw. They don't. 1464 01:20:08,971 --> 01:20:10,554 They don't. They're called yuppies now. 1465 01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:13,766 They run the goddamn country, and all of us, all of our... 1466 01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:16,352 I'm speaking to everyone who's eavesdropping right now. 1467 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,146 Come on, band together, people, let's overthrow the country. 1468 01:20:19,314 --> 01:20:21,315 Protestants, people who sort of want a religion. 1469 01:20:21,483 --> 01:20:22,650 - Let's stick together. - I know... 1470 01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:24,026 The Catholics and the fucking Jews, 1471 01:20:24,194 --> 01:20:25,361 we go back a few years together. 1472 01:20:25,529 --> 01:20:27,154 Come on, we're real. 1473 01:20:27,322 --> 01:20:29,031 We're real. We get down and get dirty. 1474 01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:30,825 - I'll take it. - We were burning each other 1475 01:20:30,993 --> 01:20:33,285 when Martin Luther was only a gleam in his mother's eye. 1476 01:20:33,453 --> 01:20:35,246 I'll take a Bap... I'll take a Baptist. 1477 01:20:35,414 --> 01:20:37,039 I go back 6,000 years. 1478 01:20:37,207 --> 01:20:40,126 I mean Ba... Somebody that has some goddamn passion, 1479 01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:41,711 some blood coursing through their veins. 1480 01:20:41,878 --> 01:20:43,170 - Case closed. - Anything. 1481 01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:44,213 Right. 1482 01:20:44,381 --> 01:20:47,008 Steve Martin's new comedy, Roxanne. 1483 01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:49,218 This week on Siskel and Ebert and the Movies. 1484 01:20:49,386 --> 01:20:50,886 You said it a little too fast. 1485 01:20:51,054 --> 01:20:55,182 The greatest day for Gene was when Roger came in 1486 01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:58,102 to say that he was going to get married. 1487 01:20:58,270 --> 01:21:00,354 I remember Gene saying to me, 1488 01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:02,898 "Can you believe this is happening?" 1489 01:21:03,066 --> 01:21:05,067 He's gonna have a mortgage. 1490 01:21:05,235 --> 01:21:06,986 He's gonna have to buy furniture. 1491 01:21:07,154 --> 01:21:08,654 He's gonna have all the same things 1492 01:21:08,822 --> 01:21:10,322 that we do to have to deal with. 1493 01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:12,491 He's gonna need the show. 1494 01:21:12,659 --> 01:21:14,285 He'll never leave now. 1495 01:21:16,121 --> 01:21:18,664 Chaz was probably more life-altering 1496 01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:21,083 for him than his TV show. 1497 01:21:21,251 --> 01:21:24,253 She really, really liked him 1498 01:21:24,421 --> 01:21:27,548 for what he was and not who he was. 1499 01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:32,053 She changed his life immeasurably. 1500 01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:34,472 She changed his personality. 1501 01:21:34,639 --> 01:21:37,183 Hey, I was eight months pregnant and Roger 1502 01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:40,186 grabbed the cab in front of me in New York. 1503 01:21:40,353 --> 01:21:43,230 It's not that kind of guy now. 1504 01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:46,692 I think Gene was so happy 1505 01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:50,821 that Roger found his mate. 1506 01:21:50,989 --> 01:21:55,284 He was 50 years old when we got married. 1507 01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:57,286 He used to tell me, 1508 01:21:57,454 --> 01:22:01,957 "I waited just about all my life to find you. 1509 01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,959 And I'm glad I did. 1510 01:22:04,127 --> 01:22:05,878 And I'm never gonna let you go." 1511 01:22:06,046 --> 01:22:07,671 I mean... 1512 01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:18,390 Our wedding was like a fairytale. 1513 01:22:18,558 --> 01:22:21,435 Gene Siskel's daughters Kate and Kali, 1514 01:22:21,603 --> 01:22:24,980 they were our beautiful little flower girls. 1515 01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:29,610 And Roger's idea of a wedding was like Father of the Bride, 1516 01:22:29,778 --> 01:22:31,737 where the father says, 1517 01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:34,073 "Can't you just have the wedding in the backyard 1518 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,700 and put some brats on the grill?" 1519 01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:46,794 People who knew me then would be very surprised 1520 01:22:46,962 --> 01:22:49,338 that I would marry a white man... 1521 01:22:50,507 --> 01:22:53,717 because I felt that African-American men had gotten 1522 01:22:53,885 --> 01:22:56,971 such a raw deal in this society. 1523 01:22:57,139 --> 01:23:01,475 In college, I was the head of the black student union. 1524 01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,062 I marched with Martin Luther King. 1525 01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:07,189 I talked to my mother about it. 1526 01:23:07,357 --> 01:23:09,984 "Mom, what do you think people would say," 1527 01:23:10,152 --> 01:23:12,611 and she said, "Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. 1528 01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:16,198 What do you say? What does your heart say?" 1529 01:23:16,366 --> 01:23:19,076 Chaz and Roger, you have come together 1530 01:23:19,244 --> 01:23:21,162 according to God's wonderful plan... 1531 01:23:21,329 --> 01:23:23,873 And as sophisticated as Roger was, 1532 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,751 he didn't know how his family would take this. 1533 01:23:27,919 --> 01:23:29,545 He used to say, 1534 01:23:29,713 --> 01:23:34,508 "You know, maybe my Uncle Bill, um... 1535 01:23:34,676 --> 01:23:38,262 or my Aunt Mary, you know, because you're not Catholic." 1536 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:40,890 I said, "Roger, come on, 1537 01:23:41,057 --> 01:23:44,059 if we're gonna have this relationship, we have to be serious. 1538 01:23:44,227 --> 01:23:47,521 Not Catholic, or not white?" 1539 01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:50,274 He said, "Yeah, probably some of that too." 1540 01:23:57,157 --> 01:23:58,949 After a while though, 1541 01:23:59,117 --> 01:24:02,161 his family accepted me with open arms. 1542 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,958 He was on a lifelong quest for love. 1543 01:24:08,126 --> 01:24:10,169 He found romantic love with Chaz. 1544 01:24:10,337 --> 01:24:12,630 Hey, I'm just about to beat up... 1545 01:24:12,797 --> 01:24:16,383 And he loved that family, her kids and her grandkids. 1546 01:24:16,551 --> 01:24:18,427 Hey, you better not drool on me. 1547 01:24:18,595 --> 01:24:21,180 Oh, he fit right in, I mean, perfectly. 1548 01:24:21,348 --> 01:24:25,184 Grandpa Roger. Grandpa Roger. 1549 01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:27,311 Oh, I forgot what I was gonna say. 1550 01:24:27,562 --> 01:24:29,313 There were no strangers in her family. 1551 01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:32,358 - Howdy, cowboy! - I love and am loved. 1552 01:24:32,525 --> 01:24:33,776 Okay, try to get that pole. 1553 01:24:33,944 --> 01:24:35,527 And as a member of another race, 1554 01:24:35,695 --> 01:24:38,989 I have, without exception, been accepted and embraced. 1555 01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:42,243 The greatest pleasure came from annual trips 1556 01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:45,371 we made with our grandchildren, Raven, Emile, and Taylor, 1557 01:24:45,538 --> 01:24:47,498 and their parents, Sonya and Mark, 1558 01:24:47,666 --> 01:24:50,084 where we made our way from Budapest to Prague, 1559 01:24:50,252 --> 01:24:52,878 Vienna, Hawai'i, Los Angeles, 1560 01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:56,924 London, Paris, Venice twice, and Stockholm. 1561 01:24:57,092 --> 01:25:00,219 What do you have to say about the trip? 1562 01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:01,887 We are having a wonderful time, 1563 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:04,306 and right now we're about to take the garden walk, 1564 01:25:04,474 --> 01:25:07,184 which is a great tradition of all of our vacations 1565 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:09,270 when we go on nature walks. 1566 01:25:09,437 --> 01:25:11,146 Emile announced that, for him, 1567 01:25:11,314 --> 01:25:13,732 there was no such thing as getting up too early. 1568 01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:16,986 And every morning, the two of us would meet in the hotel lobby 1569 01:25:17,153 --> 01:25:18,862 and go out for long walks together. 1570 01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:20,656 And there are some flowers. 1571 01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:23,659 One morning in Budapest, he asked me to take a photo 1572 01:25:23,827 --> 01:25:26,537 of two people walking ahead of us and holding hands. 1573 01:25:26,705 --> 01:25:28,580 "Why?" 1574 01:25:28,748 --> 01:25:30,666 "Because they look happy." 1575 01:25:35,547 --> 01:25:37,506 Those times seem more precious 1576 01:25:37,674 --> 01:25:40,426 now that they're in the past. 1577 01:25:40,593 --> 01:25:43,304 I don't walk easily anymore. 1578 01:25:55,358 --> 01:25:57,359 Nice job, Roger. 1579 01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:02,156 Beautiful. 1580 01:26:04,909 --> 01:26:06,618 One more step. 1581 01:26:16,379 --> 01:26:20,132 I walked everyday in the years before my troubles, 1582 01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:23,344 aiming for 10,000 steps with a pedometer. 1583 01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:28,182 The Caldwell Lily pond had a special serenity. 1584 01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:32,436 I usually had it to myself. 1585 01:26:33,521 --> 01:26:35,564 I chose it as the perfect location 1586 01:26:35,732 --> 01:26:38,609 to make a little film featuring my friend Bill Nack 1587 01:26:38,777 --> 01:26:42,488 reciting the last page of The Great Gatsby, 1588 01:26:42,655 --> 01:26:45,491 which he has recited to me several times annually 1589 01:26:45,658 --> 01:26:48,952 since we first met in the 1960s. 1590 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,579 "It's vanished trees, 1591 01:26:50,747 --> 01:26:52,998 the trees that had made way for Gatsby's house, 1592 01:26:53,166 --> 01:26:54,541 had once pandered in whispers 1593 01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:57,503 to the last and greatest of all human dreams..." 1594 01:26:57,712 --> 01:26:58,837 Every time I see Bill, 1595 01:26:59,297 --> 01:27:01,465 I ask him to recite for me, from memory, 1596 01:27:01,591 --> 01:27:04,802 the closing words of Gatsby. And every time, he does. 1597 01:27:04,969 --> 01:27:06,929 "Compelled into an aesthetic contemplation... 1598 01:27:07,097 --> 01:27:09,640 ...he neither understood nor desired. 1599 01:27:09,808 --> 01:27:12,309 Face to face for the last time in history, 1600 01:27:12,477 --> 01:27:16,146 with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder..." 1601 01:27:16,314 --> 01:27:18,732 We're both conscious of the passage of time, 1602 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,527 of its flow, slipping through our fingers, 1603 01:27:21,694 --> 01:27:23,862 like a long silk scarf. 1604 01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:27,282 I think this was Roger's favorite passage from all of literature. 1605 01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:31,620 It was really a passage about the American Dream. 1606 01:27:31,788 --> 01:27:33,956 You can be anything you want. 1607 01:27:34,124 --> 01:27:37,668 You know, Roger went from this small town kid in Urbana 1608 01:27:37,836 --> 01:27:40,003 to this huge national celebrity. 1609 01:27:40,171 --> 01:27:43,340 His father was an electrician. His mother was a housewife. 1610 01:27:45,009 --> 01:27:49,596 But I think The Great Gatsby was also, for Roger, about death. 1611 01:27:49,764 --> 01:27:52,433 Death might have obsessed him a bit. 1612 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,602 You know, his father died fairly young. 1613 01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:57,855 I knew he adored him. 1614 01:28:09,742 --> 01:28:12,953 There's an inescapable parallel between us. 1615 01:28:13,121 --> 01:28:16,081 Both my father and I have cancer. 1616 01:28:16,249 --> 01:28:18,083 My disease may have been started 1617 01:28:18,251 --> 01:28:21,753 by childhood radiation treatments for an ear infection. 1618 01:28:21,921 --> 01:28:24,715 I got those because they loved me. 1619 01:28:24,883 --> 01:28:27,801 In my case, recently discovered tumors 1620 01:28:27,969 --> 01:28:30,679 of the spine have metastasized. 1621 01:28:32,682 --> 01:28:34,558 The doctor said it was these tumors 1622 01:28:34,726 --> 01:28:36,351 that caused the hip fracture. 1623 01:28:36,519 --> 01:28:38,395 Roger emailed me that sharing the news 1624 01:28:38,563 --> 01:28:41,857 of the cancer's return could anger Chaz. 1625 01:28:58,875 --> 01:29:01,084 We don't know. 1626 01:29:01,252 --> 01:29:04,671 We haven't really fully discussed this. 1627 01:29:04,839 --> 01:29:08,675 It's so new that we, we really don't know, 1628 01:29:08,843 --> 01:29:11,762 and I'm uncomfortable talking about it. 1629 01:29:11,930 --> 01:29:13,847 Just sort of taking it a day at a time, 1630 01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:16,058 like I do everything else. 1631 01:29:16,226 --> 01:29:19,728 So, what do the doctors say? 1632 01:29:19,896 --> 01:29:22,105 Six to sixteen months. 1633 01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:27,653 It is likely I will have passed when the film is ready. 1634 01:29:30,865 --> 01:29:32,407 We'll see. 1635 01:29:32,575 --> 01:29:35,035 The radiation could do its job so well 1636 01:29:35,203 --> 01:29:38,956 that he's around a lot longer. 1637 01:29:44,337 --> 01:29:50,133 So we'll have the radiation, and we'll hope for the best. 1638 01:29:51,678 --> 01:29:55,097 I mean, here he is in 2013, 1639 01:29:55,265 --> 01:29:58,600 and in 2006, there were times when they said 1640 01:29:58,768 --> 01:30:01,436 he wouldn't be here the next day, so... 1641 01:30:02,939 --> 01:30:05,482 I have no fear of death. 1642 01:30:05,650 --> 01:30:07,776 We all die. 1643 01:30:07,944 --> 01:30:11,822 I consider my remaining days to be like money in the bank. 1644 01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:15,325 When it is all gone, I will be repossessed. 1645 01:30:16,869 --> 01:30:19,246 When the pain gets to be unbearable, 1646 01:30:19,414 --> 01:30:22,040 I may not be so jolly. 1647 01:30:22,208 --> 01:30:24,626 My senior English teacher asked me, 1648 01:30:24,794 --> 01:30:28,171 "Ebert, why are you always writing about death?" 1649 01:30:28,339 --> 01:30:31,633 I think it began in Catholic grade school 1650 01:30:31,801 --> 01:30:35,345 where they place so much attention on mortal sin and dying. 1651 01:30:35,513 --> 01:30:38,807 I found it kind of exciting. 1652 01:30:38,975 --> 01:30:41,560 I would have been infuriated if I missed this 1653 01:30:41,728 --> 01:30:44,771 because of an accident, or sudden death. 1654 01:30:44,939 --> 01:30:48,442 This is the third act and it is an experience. 1655 01:30:50,987 --> 01:30:54,281 So you see, little Ebert has always been a macabre sort. 1656 01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:57,367 Most people probably don't know that about him. 1657 01:30:57,535 --> 01:31:01,496 Maybe that's why he's jolly, maybe it's just like, "Okay!" 1658 01:31:06,002 --> 01:31:07,878 It makes for a better story. 1659 01:31:25,313 --> 01:31:27,814 "Gatsby believed in the green light 1660 01:31:27,982 --> 01:31:31,276 and the orgiastic future that year by year recedes before us. 1661 01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:33,570 It eluded us then, but that's no matter... 1662 01:31:33,738 --> 01:31:36,531 tomorrow, tomorrow we will run faster, 1663 01:31:36,699 --> 01:31:38,325 stretch out our arms farther, 1664 01:31:38,493 --> 01:31:42,204 and one fine morning so we beat on. 1665 01:31:42,372 --> 01:31:43,955 Boats against the current, 1666 01:31:44,123 --> 01:31:47,751 borne back ceaselessly into the past." 1667 01:31:58,137 --> 01:32:02,474 On April 30th, 1998, 1668 01:32:02,642 --> 01:32:05,686 Gene was asked to throw out the first ball of the season 1669 01:32:05,853 --> 01:32:07,854 at the White Sox game. 1670 01:32:08,022 --> 01:32:12,567 And he had had a headache for some weeks. 1671 01:32:12,735 --> 01:32:16,780 May 8th, he was diagnosed, 1672 01:32:16,948 --> 01:32:19,991 terminal brain cancer. 1673 01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:23,995 And, um, pretty much... 1674 01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:27,624 you don't live more than a year. 1675 01:32:27,792 --> 01:32:32,254 But on April 30th, he threw out a damn good pitch. 1676 01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:37,217 He didn't really want the folks at Disney 1677 01:32:37,385 --> 01:32:40,679 to know how sick he was. 1678 01:32:40,847 --> 01:32:45,100 He was afraid that if they heard the words "brain tumor," 1679 01:32:45,268 --> 01:32:48,770 they would put in a substitute for him, 1680 01:32:48,938 --> 01:32:50,772 and that would be the end. 1681 01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:52,983 Our mothers knew, 1682 01:32:53,151 --> 01:32:54,693 and Gene's siblings, 1683 01:32:54,861 --> 01:32:56,945 and my two sisters knew. 1684 01:32:57,113 --> 01:32:58,488 That's it. 1685 01:32:58,656 --> 01:33:00,949 And Roger didn't know. 1686 01:33:01,117 --> 01:33:04,703 And that really wounded Roger. 1687 01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:07,831 I don't think it's that he didn't trust Roger personally. 1688 01:33:07,999 --> 01:33:09,708 Nonetheless, when something like that happens, 1689 01:33:09,876 --> 01:33:12,461 you take it personally, how else is there to take it, you know. 1690 01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:17,090 Even though he may have been a few years older than Gene, 1691 01:33:17,258 --> 01:33:21,470 Gene was like the older brother he never had. 1692 01:33:21,637 --> 01:33:25,015 And I was so sad for Roger for not... 1693 01:33:25,183 --> 01:33:28,560 Really, for not being able to tell his brother goodbye. 1694 01:33:28,728 --> 01:33:31,605 Gene didn't want to be seen as a victim. 1695 01:33:31,773 --> 01:33:34,900 But more importantly, he didn't want 1696 01:33:35,067 --> 01:33:39,946 to watch the effect of his dying on his children. 1697 01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:43,992 And my children celebrated many things that year, 1698 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,829 and had a happy year, 1699 01:33:47,997 --> 01:33:50,248 instead of watching the clock, 1700 01:33:50,416 --> 01:33:52,417 which they would've done. 1701 01:33:53,878 --> 01:33:56,004 He wanted to do just what he was doing. 1702 01:33:56,172 --> 01:33:58,298 He wanted to be with his family, 1703 01:33:58,466 --> 01:34:00,467 and go back to work. 1704 01:34:00,635 --> 01:34:02,010 Our next film is Meet the Deedles. 1705 01:34:02,178 --> 01:34:05,013 And boy, is this an annoying experience. 1706 01:34:05,181 --> 01:34:07,474 To the point that from now on, for the rest of my life, 1707 01:34:07,642 --> 01:34:10,268 I may have a negative physical reaction to hearing the word... 1708 01:34:10,436 --> 01:34:12,270 Well, it's the title word in the film. 1709 01:34:12,438 --> 01:34:14,481 - Deedles? - Oh. Roger, don't. 1710 01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:18,568 Toward the end, I said, "We should go see him." 1711 01:34:18,736 --> 01:34:23,240 And we were gonna go and visit him that Monday, 1712 01:34:23,407 --> 01:34:26,368 but he passed away that Saturday. 1713 01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:32,541 It was a friendship that he cherished, 1714 01:34:32,708 --> 01:34:35,502 and it was a horrible pain for him. 1715 01:34:37,964 --> 01:34:39,881 This year on Gene's birthday, 1716 01:34:40,049 --> 01:34:44,344 Roger tweeted every hour on the hour 1717 01:34:44,512 --> 01:34:48,306 with links to memories high and low. 1718 01:34:48,474 --> 01:34:52,686 I was really touched, and I wrote him a thank you, 1719 01:34:52,854 --> 01:34:55,981 and he sent me this response. 1720 01:34:56,148 --> 01:34:59,109 "Dear Marlene, I'm sick and old 1721 01:34:59,277 --> 01:35:02,279 and find myself thinking about Gene more than ever. 1722 01:35:02,446 --> 01:35:07,117 My stupid ego and maybe his, complicated the fact 1723 01:35:07,285 --> 01:35:11,079 that I have never met a smarter or funnier man. 1724 01:35:11,247 --> 01:35:13,748 We fought like cats and dogs. 1725 01:35:13,916 --> 01:35:16,710 But there were times often unobserved, 1726 01:35:16,878 --> 01:35:20,922 like after a long hotel dinner we had once in Boston, 1727 01:35:21,090 --> 01:35:23,967 when I've never felt closer to a man." 1728 01:35:26,178 --> 01:35:29,973 I think their relationship evolved. 1729 01:35:30,141 --> 01:35:33,143 They grew to respect each other. 1730 01:35:33,311 --> 01:35:36,062 And I do believe they did love each other. 1731 01:35:39,317 --> 01:35:43,236 After Gene's funeral, Roger vowed 1732 01:35:43,404 --> 01:35:46,239 that he was never gonna keep any secrets about his health. 1733 01:35:46,407 --> 01:35:50,201 He said, "If anything like this ever happens to me, 1734 01:35:50,369 --> 01:35:52,245 I don't want to hide it, 1735 01:35:52,413 --> 01:35:56,833 especially from the people who mean something to us." 1736 01:35:57,001 --> 01:35:59,628 I've been coming to this conference for 35 years, 1737 01:35:59,795 --> 01:36:04,466 and this morning I confessed that I am a sick person. 1738 01:36:04,634 --> 01:36:07,510 About two and a half or three years ago, 1739 01:36:07,678 --> 01:36:10,096 I found a lump under my chin, and I went to the doctor, 1740 01:36:10,264 --> 01:36:13,016 and it turned out to be associated with thyroid cancer. 1741 01:36:13,184 --> 01:36:17,729 He was in the hospital maybe two days at the most, 1742 01:36:17,897 --> 01:36:19,397 ready to get out. 1743 01:36:19,565 --> 01:36:22,275 Went back to the show. He's such an optimist. 1744 01:36:22,443 --> 01:36:26,696 And he thought, this was probably the end of it. 1745 01:36:26,864 --> 01:36:29,532 We didn't know that was just the warm up act. 1746 01:36:30,910 --> 01:36:33,912 A few years later, I went in for a routine scan 1747 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,039 to check for any new problems. 1748 01:36:36,207 --> 01:36:38,124 The news was not good. 1749 01:36:38,292 --> 01:36:41,461 Cancer had been seen in my right lower jawbone. 1750 01:36:41,629 --> 01:36:44,089 Again he had surgery. 1751 01:36:44,256 --> 01:36:46,257 We were going home. 1752 01:36:46,425 --> 01:36:51,554 We were all packed up and ready to go home just like today. 1753 01:36:51,722 --> 01:36:54,140 Chaz and I had a Leonard Cohen song 1754 01:36:54,308 --> 01:36:57,560 we both really liked called I'm Your Man. 1755 01:36:57,728 --> 01:37:01,940 It's sort of long but I wanted to play it one last time. 1756 01:37:21,794 --> 01:37:23,169 As it was playing, 1757 01:37:23,337 --> 01:37:26,214 I had a sudden hemorrhage of an artery. 1758 01:37:26,382 --> 01:37:29,509 The doctors rushed me into the operating room. 1759 01:37:29,677 --> 01:37:31,970 The whole thing had burst. 1760 01:37:32,138 --> 01:37:36,099 His neck, it just was gushing blood. 1761 01:37:36,267 --> 01:37:38,852 There was about 15 doctors standing there. 1762 01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:42,856 They were grabbing towels, squeezing to get the blood stopped, and... 1763 01:37:44,316 --> 01:37:47,235 If he hadn't been playing that song, 1764 01:37:47,403 --> 01:37:49,738 we would've been out of the hospital already. 1765 01:37:49,905 --> 01:37:52,240 If that song had been shorter 1766 01:37:52,408 --> 01:37:55,410 and I had left, I would be dead. 1767 01:38:04,962 --> 01:38:06,421 Bye-bye. 1768 01:38:15,473 --> 01:38:17,724 "Probable. Workable." 1769 01:38:41,791 --> 01:38:46,086 We are told the next surgery will not be life threatening. 1770 01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:48,004 The perfect ending would be 1771 01:38:48,172 --> 01:38:51,091 that I regain the ability to speak well, 1772 01:38:51,258 --> 01:38:53,593 eat and drink, but I would settle 1773 01:38:53,761 --> 01:38:57,305 for drinking coffee and having milkshakes. 1774 01:38:57,473 --> 01:39:00,308 There were a series of surgeries, 1775 01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:03,728 and his plan was to return to the show, 1776 01:39:03,896 --> 01:39:06,022 to return to broadcasting. 1777 01:39:06,190 --> 01:39:08,316 It is a major surgery. 1778 01:39:08,484 --> 01:39:09,984 Yes, it is. 1779 01:39:10,152 --> 01:39:12,445 Is it worth it? 1780 01:39:19,328 --> 01:39:20,787 Excuse me. 1781 01:39:27,461 --> 01:39:30,964 He's very brave about it, but I'm not. 1782 01:39:31,132 --> 01:39:33,341 I think it's going to be successful 1783 01:39:33,509 --> 01:39:36,094 and everything's gonna turn out fine. 1784 01:39:38,139 --> 01:39:41,975 And the first day or two he looked in the mirror... 1785 01:39:44,395 --> 01:39:46,896 he was very pleased with what he saw. 1786 01:39:48,774 --> 01:39:51,192 But just like all the other surgeries, 1787 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,863 there was an infection and they had to undo everything. 1788 01:39:56,824 --> 01:40:00,326 That left him more debilitated than ever, 1789 01:40:00,494 --> 01:40:03,663 and he just decided no more surgeries. 1790 01:40:03,831 --> 01:40:05,623 No more. 1791 01:40:07,543 --> 01:40:09,836 Roger's not one to look back and say, 1792 01:40:10,004 --> 01:40:13,006 "Oh, coulda, woulda, shoulda." 1793 01:40:13,174 --> 01:40:17,135 But there were times when he wrote a note that said, 1794 01:40:17,303 --> 01:40:19,387 "Kill me." 1795 01:40:19,555 --> 01:40:22,056 I mean, I have that note. 1796 01:40:22,224 --> 01:40:24,225 "Kill me." 1797 01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:28,021 And I said, "No. No." 1798 01:40:31,317 --> 01:40:34,652 I told him that was not an option. 1799 01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:49,209 Oh, you want to walk until there, or you wanna? 1800 01:40:49,376 --> 01:40:50,418 Okay. 1801 01:40:50,586 --> 01:40:53,838 But you know, getting over there, over that bump... 1802 01:40:57,509 --> 01:41:00,762 Okay, who's gonna help him stand to go up to the stairs? 1803 01:41:00,930 --> 01:41:02,889 I know he wants to write instructions. 1804 01:41:03,057 --> 01:41:04,766 Do you want the walker? 1805 01:41:04,934 --> 01:41:06,601 Yes or no, do you want the walker? No. 1806 01:41:06,769 --> 01:41:09,062 Okay, then let's get... 1807 01:41:10,231 --> 01:41:12,315 Yeah, but we have to get up and get going. 1808 01:41:14,151 --> 01:41:16,444 People would say, "Don't you get tired?" 1809 01:41:17,112 --> 01:41:18,821 You have to trust us. 1810 01:41:18,989 --> 01:41:21,366 You have to trust that we know what we're doing. 1811 01:41:21,533 --> 01:41:23,117 Yeah, I get tired sometimes. 1812 01:41:23,285 --> 01:41:25,912 "Move this chair so it faces stairs." 1813 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,165 You know, no, no, guess what, it's a few steps. 1814 01:41:29,333 --> 01:41:32,418 You can get out of the chair and you can walk up the stairs. 1815 01:41:32,586 --> 01:41:34,545 That's what you've been practicing every day. 1816 01:41:34,713 --> 01:41:36,339 You can do this. 1817 01:41:36,507 --> 01:41:38,633 But I never got so tired 1818 01:41:38,801 --> 01:41:40,176 that I wanted to give up. 1819 01:41:40,344 --> 01:41:42,053 Come on, Uncle Roger. 1820 01:41:42,221 --> 01:41:45,181 No, he's not gonna do that. Let me handle it, please. 1821 01:41:45,349 --> 01:41:47,684 I'm gonna pull the chair out of the way. 1822 01:41:47,851 --> 01:41:50,019 There's so many people out there 1823 01:41:50,187 --> 01:41:53,481 taking care of people who are sick or disabled. 1824 01:41:53,649 --> 01:41:57,485 We all go through the whole gamut of emotions. 1825 01:41:57,653 --> 01:42:00,655 Two, three, up... 1826 01:42:00,823 --> 01:42:02,031 Okay, now hold. 1827 01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:03,616 You know, it's been a long road. 1828 01:42:03,784 --> 01:42:05,868 - I think it's hard. - All right. 1829 01:42:06,036 --> 01:42:08,788 It's always been hard, but it's even harder now. 1830 01:42:11,667 --> 01:42:15,336 He calls her "my angel." And he means it. 1831 01:42:15,504 --> 01:42:18,298 Valentine's Day wreath I got for you. 1832 01:42:24,930 --> 01:42:26,889 This woman never lost her love. 1833 01:42:27,057 --> 01:42:28,599 Now do you want to go upstairs? 1834 01:42:28,767 --> 01:42:31,519 She was always there believing I could do it. 1835 01:42:31,687 --> 01:42:35,690 And her love was like a wind pushing me back from the grave. 1836 01:42:35,858 --> 01:42:39,610 And I told him if you promise me 1837 01:42:39,778 --> 01:42:42,071 that you will give it your all, 1838 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:45,825 I promise you that I will try to make life 1839 01:42:45,993 --> 01:42:47,827 as interesting for you as possible... 1840 01:42:49,496 --> 01:42:51,164 so that every day, 1841 01:42:51,332 --> 01:42:55,043 you have something to look forward to. 1842 01:42:56,795 --> 01:42:59,839 How does it feel to be back in your own chair? 1843 01:43:01,467 --> 01:43:02,717 Okay. 1844 01:43:02,885 --> 01:43:04,344 Today is a big day, 1845 01:43:04,511 --> 01:43:08,514 coming home after two months is very difficult. 1846 01:43:08,682 --> 01:43:10,391 It's a joy, 1847 01:43:10,559 --> 01:43:13,186 but it's also very stressful. 1848 01:43:15,856 --> 01:43:18,399 "Especially for you." 1849 01:43:19,693 --> 01:43:21,652 Is that... Are you trying to be a smart alec? 1850 01:43:21,820 --> 01:43:23,988 Are you trying to be a smart alec? 1851 01:43:27,242 --> 01:43:29,243 We have a saying in the Latino community, 1852 01:43:29,411 --> 01:43:30,912 "Make your heart your face." 1853 01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,123 Oh, now. Aw, okay. 1854 01:43:34,291 --> 01:43:36,542 More than anybody I have ever known, 1855 01:43:36,710 --> 01:43:39,379 his heart is his face. 1856 01:43:39,546 --> 01:43:42,673 That photograph that was on the cover of Esquire says it all. 1857 01:43:43,759 --> 01:43:46,135 This is me. Right? 1858 01:43:46,303 --> 01:43:49,097 And I want you to know 1859 01:43:49,264 --> 01:43:52,266 who I am and what I'm going through. 1860 01:43:52,434 --> 01:43:55,228 I may have things to be depressed about, 1861 01:43:55,396 --> 01:43:57,605 but I am not depressed. 1862 01:43:57,773 --> 01:44:00,024 My life seems full again. 1863 01:44:00,734 --> 01:44:02,485 Here we are full screen. 1864 01:44:02,653 --> 01:44:04,445 As we start to bring the screen size down, 1865 01:44:04,613 --> 01:44:07,365 eventually getting towards iPhone size, 1866 01:44:07,533 --> 01:44:10,326 it's gonna drop, it's gonna break. 1867 01:44:10,494 --> 01:44:11,494 And now, look at this... 1868 01:44:11,662 --> 01:44:14,247 My attention is focused on my new website, 1869 01:44:14,415 --> 01:44:17,208 which will provide a home for my life's work 1870 01:44:17,376 --> 01:44:19,377 and has an enduring life of its own. 1871 01:44:21,797 --> 01:44:24,132 "Josh, this is beyond my wildest dreams." 1872 01:44:24,299 --> 01:44:26,926 Well, I'm glad. I like to make you happy. 1873 01:44:27,094 --> 01:44:29,512 Roger has been ahead of the curve, 1874 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,974 becoming an early and massive adopter of social media. 1875 01:44:33,142 --> 01:44:35,977 He has almost 800,000 followers on Twitter 1876 01:44:36,145 --> 01:44:37,645 and 100,000 followers on Facebook. 1877 01:44:37,813 --> 01:44:40,523 "Nice links to IMDB and Wikipedia." 1878 01:44:40,983 --> 01:44:42,692 If you look at the other people who have 1879 01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:46,821 like 850,000 Twitter followers, it's like Kardashians. 1880 01:44:46,989 --> 01:44:49,198 Beyond the search widget... 1881 01:44:49,366 --> 01:44:52,785 Right now, there's an argument about the Internet. 1882 01:44:52,953 --> 01:44:56,247 Some people say film criticism is at the end, 1883 01:44:56,415 --> 01:44:58,666 the art of cinema is at the end. 1884 01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:01,335 Roger sees it in a much more positive way. 1885 01:45:01,503 --> 01:45:03,171 It's a renaissance. 1886 01:45:03,338 --> 01:45:06,757 It's a renaissance in film appreciation and film criticism. 1887 01:45:06,925 --> 01:45:09,343 The roving reporters that he uses, 1888 01:45:09,511 --> 01:45:11,721 like on his blog, for example, 1889 01:45:11,889 --> 01:45:15,850 is giving a critical birth to lots of other points of view. 1890 01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:19,562 The passionate fan culture, or movie geek culture, 1891 01:45:19,730 --> 01:45:22,106 that exists on the Internet, when people are really, 1892 01:45:22,274 --> 01:45:23,524 get really, really worked up, 1893 01:45:23,692 --> 01:45:28,821 is something that the Siskel and Ebert show helped to seed. 1894 01:45:28,989 --> 01:45:32,200 It follows from Roger's understanding of criticism, 1895 01:45:32,367 --> 01:45:33,951 which is it's a mode of conversation. 1896 01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:35,703 It's the public square. 1897 01:45:35,871 --> 01:45:37,788 This is allowing your fans to access 1898 01:45:37,956 --> 01:45:40,750 this database of your reviews going back to 1967 1899 01:45:40,918 --> 01:45:43,920 that has never been available in this form before. 1900 01:45:45,422 --> 01:45:49,592 When I am writing, I am the same person I always was. 1901 01:45:52,095 --> 01:45:55,932 In April 2008, I wrote my first blog entry, 1902 01:45:56,099 --> 01:46:00,019 and began this current, and probably final stage of my life. 1903 01:46:00,187 --> 01:46:03,314 My blog became my voice, my outlet, 1904 01:46:03,482 --> 01:46:06,817 my social media in a way I couldn't have dreamed of. 1905 01:46:06,985 --> 01:46:11,405 Into it, I poured my regrets, desires and memories. 1906 01:46:11,573 --> 01:46:15,868 Most people choose to write a blog. I needed to. 1907 01:46:16,036 --> 01:46:18,871 Racism was ingrained in daily life. 1908 01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:21,582 It wasn't the overt racism of the South, 1909 01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:23,501 but more like the pervading background 1910 01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:25,962 against which we lived. We were here... 1911 01:46:26,129 --> 01:46:28,839 I've never held a handgun in my life. 1912 01:46:29,007 --> 01:46:31,801 The theory is that gun ownership makes us safer. 1913 01:46:31,969 --> 01:46:34,929 That doesn't seem to be working out for us. 1914 01:46:35,097 --> 01:46:37,890 The body count rises. 1915 01:46:38,058 --> 01:46:41,394 He took all of that energy he put into television, 1916 01:46:41,562 --> 01:46:43,896 and he transferred it to his blog, 1917 01:46:44,064 --> 01:46:46,274 and the Internet, and to his movie reviews, 1918 01:46:46,441 --> 01:46:49,360 and wrote better than he ever had in his life. 1919 01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:53,739 Bless these boys. 1920 01:46:59,621 --> 01:47:03,082 I don't know when a film has connected more immediately 1921 01:47:03,250 --> 01:47:05,334 with my own personal experience. 1922 01:47:05,502 --> 01:47:07,253 That's how you grow up. 1923 01:47:10,257 --> 01:47:14,343 Surrounded by the realms of unimaginable time and space. 1924 01:47:16,054 --> 01:47:18,097 We are now seeing the polymathic genius 1925 01:47:18,265 --> 01:47:21,809 that those of us who knew Roger always saw. 1926 01:47:22,978 --> 01:47:25,354 His voice was stilled, 1927 01:47:25,522 --> 01:47:27,898 but of course he's talking more than ever. 1928 01:47:30,986 --> 01:47:33,946 In the past 25 years, I have probably seen 1929 01:47:34,114 --> 01:47:37,199 ten thousand movies, and reviewed six thousand of them. 1930 01:47:37,367 --> 01:47:40,077 - She threw them there. - I understand, but why? 1931 01:47:40,245 --> 01:47:43,497 I have forgotten most of them, I hope. 1932 01:47:48,462 --> 01:47:51,589 But I remember those worth remembering. 1933 01:47:53,342 --> 01:47:56,260 And they are on the same shelf in my mind. 1934 01:47:57,095 --> 01:47:59,013 Look at a movie that a lot of people love... 1935 01:47:59,181 --> 01:48:00,723 Match me, Sydney. 1936 01:48:00,891 --> 01:48:02,767 and you'll find something profound... 1937 01:48:04,519 --> 01:48:06,687 no matter how silly the film may seem. 1938 01:48:10,192 --> 01:48:13,736 Sing! 1939 01:48:13,945 --> 01:48:16,614 What I miss though, is the wonder. 1940 01:48:16,782 --> 01:48:18,699 Open the pod bay doors, Hal. 1941 01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:21,619 People my age can remember walking into a movie palace... 1942 01:48:21,787 --> 01:48:23,162 I'm sorry, Dave. 1943 01:48:23,330 --> 01:48:24,705 when the ceiling was far overhead... 1944 01:48:24,873 --> 01:48:26,290 I'm afraid I can't do that. 1945 01:48:26,458 --> 01:48:28,959 balconies reached way into the shadows. 1946 01:48:29,127 --> 01:48:31,128 We remember the sound of a thousand people 1947 01:48:31,296 --> 01:48:33,047 laughing all at once, 1948 01:48:33,215 --> 01:48:35,216 and screens the size of billboards, 1949 01:48:35,384 --> 01:48:38,761 so every seat in the house was a good seat. 1950 01:48:38,929 --> 01:48:42,390 "I lost it at the movies," Pauline Kael said, 1951 01:48:42,557 --> 01:48:45,685 and we all knew just what she meant. 1952 01:48:45,852 --> 01:48:47,520 Charles Foster Kane. 1953 01:48:53,068 --> 01:48:55,695 Only two days after he'd returned home, 1954 01:48:55,862 --> 01:48:59,323 Roger was readmitted to the hospital with pneumonia. 1955 01:48:59,491 --> 01:49:02,743 Chaz thought this was a brief if frustrating setback, 1956 01:49:02,911 --> 01:49:05,329 and so Roger and I resumed our email interview 1957 01:49:05,497 --> 01:49:09,208 with the plan to film him as soon as he returned home again. 1958 01:49:09,376 --> 01:49:12,044 Roger was energetic and answered questions 1959 01:49:12,212 --> 01:49:13,838 about a variety of subjects. 1960 01:49:15,882 --> 01:49:18,718 My favorite places in the city are the used bookstores. 1961 01:49:18,885 --> 01:49:21,429 You can't get me out of one. 1962 01:49:24,599 --> 01:49:27,393 Those standard places with standard menus 1963 01:49:27,561 --> 01:49:30,646 and breakfast 24 hours a day. 1964 01:49:33,483 --> 01:49:36,318 I asked him about one of his most controversial reviews 1965 01:49:36,486 --> 01:49:38,738 for Blue Velvet, and his moral indignation 1966 01:49:38,905 --> 01:49:40,322 at director David Lynch. 1967 01:49:40,490 --> 01:49:42,658 But he asked Isabella Rossellini in this movie 1968 01:49:42,826 --> 01:49:44,994 to be undressed and humiliated on the screen... 1969 01:49:58,467 --> 01:50:00,342 Drama holds a mirror up to life, 1970 01:50:00,510 --> 01:50:03,179 but needn't reproduce it. 1971 01:50:03,346 --> 01:50:07,516 Attempts to film Roger in rehab were rebuffed by doctors. 1972 01:50:09,436 --> 01:50:13,773 Then suddenly one day his email output slowed to a trickle. 1973 01:50:17,194 --> 01:50:19,987 I'm trying to figure out what questions would engage you most fully. 1974 01:50:33,794 --> 01:50:38,506 Fearing the worst, I called Chaz. She dissolved into tears. 1975 01:50:38,673 --> 01:50:41,217 Roger seemed determined to give up. 1976 01:50:52,521 --> 01:50:57,066 He said he was beginning to feel trapped inside. 1977 01:50:57,234 --> 01:51:01,570 And he said, "You know, I don't wanna fight this time. 1978 01:51:01,738 --> 01:51:04,532 I don't wanna... I don't... I don't wanna fight cancer." 1979 01:51:04,699 --> 01:51:06,283 He said, "I am ready to go. 1980 01:51:06,451 --> 01:51:11,413 I've had a beautiful life and death is a part of life. 1981 01:51:11,581 --> 01:51:13,040 And I'm ready to go, 1982 01:51:13,208 --> 01:51:16,126 and you must let me go, you must let me go." 1983 01:51:22,342 --> 01:51:25,970 He had signed a DNR, 1984 01:51:26,137 --> 01:51:28,681 a do not resuscitate order. 1985 01:51:30,976 --> 01:51:33,561 He signed it... 1986 01:51:33,728 --> 01:51:37,064 while I wasn't there one day. 1987 01:51:37,232 --> 01:51:40,192 And usually we make those kind of decisions together. 1988 01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,071 But I think he knew... 1989 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,907 that that wouldn't have been my choice. 1990 01:51:49,369 --> 01:51:50,953 And so... 1991 01:51:52,539 --> 01:51:56,542 when we realized that he was leaving 1992 01:51:56,710 --> 01:52:00,212 I wanted them to use the defibrillator. 1993 01:52:00,380 --> 01:52:02,047 And they said no. 1994 01:52:11,725 --> 01:52:13,100 And short of going over 1995 01:52:13,268 --> 01:52:16,562 and taking it and doing it myself, you know... 1996 01:52:23,153 --> 01:52:24,612 And I could've screamed 1997 01:52:24,779 --> 01:52:28,699 and made a fuss and forced them to do it. 1998 01:52:28,867 --> 01:52:33,621 But you know what, something came over me. 1999 01:52:33,788 --> 01:52:37,082 Roger calls it a wind of peace 2000 01:52:37,250 --> 01:52:39,418 just kind of flowed over me, 2001 01:52:39,586 --> 01:52:42,254 and I knew it was time to accept it. 2002 01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,091 And accept that he was leaving. 2003 01:52:49,971 --> 01:52:51,555 And so... 2004 01:52:54,184 --> 01:52:59,104 I put on Dave Brubeck music in the room. 2005 01:52:59,272 --> 01:53:01,106 And I had everyone just settle down. 2006 01:53:04,027 --> 01:53:07,404 I was sitting next to his bed, 2007 01:53:07,572 --> 01:53:10,950 holding his left hand, 2008 01:53:11,117 --> 01:53:12,993 and other people held my hand, 2009 01:53:13,161 --> 01:53:16,163 and gathered and formed a circle around and held hands. 2010 01:53:18,917 --> 01:53:21,043 Until the doctor... 2011 01:53:23,129 --> 01:53:27,174 said that he was going to call it, 2012 01:53:27,342 --> 01:53:30,761 1:40 p.m. as the time of death. 2013 01:53:37,352 --> 01:53:41,730 I have never seen anything so beautiful 2014 01:53:41,898 --> 01:53:44,274 and so serene. 2015 01:53:44,442 --> 01:53:47,528 It became... It was so peaceful in that room. 2016 01:53:47,696 --> 01:53:50,197 And he... everything just... 2017 01:53:50,365 --> 01:53:52,574 everything just relaxed. 2018 01:53:52,742 --> 01:53:56,578 He looked young, he looked happy, 2019 01:53:56,746 --> 01:54:00,165 and those warm hands, and, you know... 2020 01:54:19,269 --> 01:54:21,687 What in the world is a Leave of Presence? 2021 01:54:21,855 --> 01:54:25,858 It means I am not going away. 2022 01:54:26,067 --> 01:54:28,777 Forty-six years ago, I became the film critic 2023 01:54:28,945 --> 01:54:31,363 for the Chicago Sun-Times. 2024 01:54:32,741 --> 01:54:36,076 However you came to know me, I'm glad you did, 2025 01:54:36,244 --> 01:54:37,953 and thank you for being the best readers 2026 01:54:38,121 --> 01:54:40,289 any film critic could ask for. 2027 01:54:47,130 --> 01:54:49,256 He had a heart big enough 2028 01:54:49,424 --> 01:54:51,717 to accept and love all. 2029 01:54:52,886 --> 01:54:55,763 I have to keep... He loved this hat, 2030 01:54:55,930 --> 01:54:58,057 that's why I wore it today. 2031 01:55:00,852 --> 01:55:03,395 I felt that as long as Roger was alive, 2032 01:55:03,563 --> 01:55:05,647 a little bit of Gene was too. 2033 01:55:05,815 --> 01:55:07,274 He was the first person I met 2034 01:55:07,442 --> 01:55:09,610 who actually walked out of the television. 2035 01:55:19,329 --> 01:55:21,288 Famous people have died before in Chicago. 2036 01:55:21,456 --> 01:55:23,082 Famous writers have died. 2037 01:55:24,542 --> 01:55:28,504 But what I thought marked the stories about Roger 2038 01:55:28,671 --> 01:55:31,340 was a genuine affection. 2039 01:55:31,508 --> 01:55:33,842 I mean, thousands of people came out 2040 01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:37,096 and thousands more wrote tributes on the Internet, 2041 01:55:37,263 --> 01:55:38,889 which are still continuing. 2042 01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:58,784 I like to walk down on Hollywood Boulevard 2043 01:55:58,952 --> 01:56:02,079 because I know it's his star coming. 2044 01:56:02,247 --> 01:56:04,414 I set my gaze straight, 2045 01:56:04,582 --> 01:56:07,793 I don't look down at the star. I know it's coming. 2046 01:56:07,961 --> 01:56:12,631 Looking straight at the horizon into the future. 2047 01:56:19,556 --> 01:56:22,933 So on this day of reflection, 2048 01:56:23,726 --> 01:56:27,396 I say thank you for going on this journey with me. 2049 01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:33,318 I'll see you at the movies. 163518

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