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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,432 A FEW COMMENTS ON THE CREATION AND PRODUCTION OF THE FILM 2 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,395 I was in the middle of working on my typewriter 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,397 and something surprised me. 4 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,398 I didn't realise right away. 5 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,116 I was working horizontally, 6 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,119 as we do in Western writing, 7 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,234 and I was working on the text that you have read. 8 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,233 And what surprised me, it came a second time. 9 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,751 And then I realised that it was the sudden appearance of the image. 10 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,590 The image, like in Resnais' film, Statues Also Die 11 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,713 with his mouth wiped away by the IBM ball 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,628 as if there were some things better left unsaid. 13 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,757 But I continued to write 14 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,159 and I was intrigued by the sudden vertical emergence, 15 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,876 like something rising to the surface. 16 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,478 And I thought about 17 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,319 Japanese and Chinese writing, 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,830 and about pictograms, ideograms. 19 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,354 And I thought 20 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,832 that this was how I should be able to write, 21 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,235 vertically or horizontally, not always horizontally first. 22 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,875 Which is to say, death first. 23 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,628 SLOW MOTION 24 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,878 To write standing up, so to speak, with words that follow the image. 25 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,276 As this one dives in with her feet together, 26 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,269 she dives in the opposite direction of the meaning. 27 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,190 In the opposite direction of the writing. 28 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,397 She moves further away, 29 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,548 whereas Isabelle will do the opposite. She will move closer to the meaning, 30 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,349 in the opposite direction to Denise's movement. 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,992 And he will try to fly over everything, 32 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,989 to jump higher, but he will lose his footing. 33 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,555 Denise, however, will continue her... 34 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,717 her opposing direction. 35 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,068 She wants to see what happens beyond, 36 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,512 what happens beyond the border. 37 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,799 She dives into the unknown, so to speak. 38 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,353 Whereas 39 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,709 Isabelle breaks out of the... 40 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,278 She comes out of the darkness and rises to the surface. 41 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,960 It's not "every man for himself", but "a life spared". 42 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,355 She is seeking the light. 43 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,315 Her movement, therefore, goes in the same direction as the writing. 44 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,237 And she would like to put a... 45 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,039 There is common ground with Denise, and she would like to find closure. 46 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,118 But in the same way as everyone else. 47 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,391 A house, a family or a boyfriend. 48 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,958 From the periphery, she returns to the centre. 49 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,430 So she says to Jacques, "If you want to survive, stay with me. 50 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,357 "I will support you." 51 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,316 He will ask, "Support me with what?" 52 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,319 Because, like Denise, but three or four years after her, 53 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,149 he also wants to leave the city, the big city. 54 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,398 And he realises, since he copies it, what Denise's movement has been, 55 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,714 and he understands it. 56 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:23,638 But he is slower than her 57 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,672 and he will fall back... 58 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,875 But I realise that when I speak to you... 59 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,072 while seeing... Not images, 60 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,237 but the start of images, embryos... 61 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,118 that you might think that I am trying to show you images from the film, 62 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,958 how they will be. 63 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,628 But I am actually trying 64 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,919 to show you how I will organise them, the system. 65 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,793 If we were to compare it to biology, it wouldn't be a human body, 66 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,751 but rather the system 67 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,474 will create the forms. 68 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,719 And, of course, creation will happen during editing and shooting. 69 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,511 What I'm trying to show you 70 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,269 is how I see things, so that you can judge 71 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,349 whether I am able to see, and what I have seen. 72 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,917 I want to show you the relationships between images and then you would be 73 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,759 as in a court of law 74 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,919 where you are both the defendant and the prosecutor. 75 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,758 Or you would be 76 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,589 Gallimard at the end of his life, Rimbaud at the beginning, 77 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,792 or Durand-Ruel and C�zanne. 78 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,438 You are both at once, with me, 79 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,233 and you can see if I see something. 80 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,035 I show if there is something to see and how I see it. 81 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,752 And you can say, 82 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,668 "No, he's wrong. There's nothing to see." 83 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,193 So, what I would like to show you is a way of seeing. 84 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,518 For example, superimposed images, cross-fades. 85 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,716 And slow-motion. 86 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:14,992 Using slow-motion, either during superimposed images or a regular shot, 87 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,510 to see if there is something to see 88 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,835 about which something can be said, 89 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,272 which might then alter the story arc. 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,715 The arc should take off from what has been seen, what has happened. 91 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:35,960 The plot should flow out of what has happened. 92 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,956 And there's the music, too. 93 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,999 I'd like to say something about the music that will be in the film. 94 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,714 I don't really know how. 95 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,277 And also, 96 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,516 the lead actor, the primary action, 97 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,076 and the supporting actors, the secondary actions, 98 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,237 which all seem important to me. 99 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,759 The camera should pan from one to the other 100 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:13,550 and create the primary action 101 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,712 of the so-called supporting actors, 102 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,788 who are not the focal point, in the foreground. 103 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:27,154 SUPER IMPOSITIONS 104 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,238 I reread notes that I made. 105 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,550 I wanted to take a thriller. 106 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,950 So I read a book... 107 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,959 Existence is due to a chain of events, 108 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,638 both internal and external. 109 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,229 The cross-fade is not so much a matter of filming this or that image. 110 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,079 It's not this superimposed image that creates the links. 111 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,039 I can start with that. 112 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,594 Starting not just with one image, 113 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,235 but with a sequence as an image. 114 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,635 The image of a sequence. 115 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,154 A moment in a chain of events 116 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,758 dragging this person into something. 117 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,952 This person and this thing 118 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,870 that slips over the person. 119 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,315 I can then have an idea of this thing. 120 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,112 I don't write a dialogue and then ask the actors to act it out. 121 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,629 For example, "I hate you", 122 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,079 or, "You bore me", and then she acts out boredom. 123 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,671 No, there is something, perhaps, to which, for a moment, 124 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,155 the phrase, "You bore me" corresponds. 125 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,998 So, at that moment, 126 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,430 the dialogue helps to find 127 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,314 the images and the dialogue within these images. 128 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,073 There is no, "I hate you", followed by an image of this hate. 129 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,430 Cross-fading images enable us to see 130 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:20,394 if there is something that will open or that closes. 131 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,598 So the idea is similar to that of a door, 132 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,870 of letting someone pass through a door. 133 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,428 A chain... 134 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:38,838 as a moment in the chain of events we will create. 135 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,952 A cross-fade as an idea for a script. 136 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,440 Those are all the models of cross-fades, 137 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:55,314 which you can see, for example, on the television screen. 138 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,195 And we see that it is really about the passage of time. 139 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,917 We superimpose or cross-fade images 140 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,951 to express time. 141 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,513 I think instead we should impress it onto the film. 142 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,074 Time cannot be expressed. 143 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,438 It can be impressed or imprinted. 144 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,355 Sometimes we shouldn't use shot/counter-shot, 145 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,758 which stems from the idea of a dialogue or ping-pong, 146 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,269 this idea of a match as opposed to an event, actually. 147 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,632 This shows that there is no ping-pong match 148 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,318 between the characters. 149 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,356 So, first, to make the image 150 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,311 and images of images. 151 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,399 Second, to create dialogues, but only those 152 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,031 that have been verified as possible once you have all the facts. 153 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,038 And third, to recreate, during the shooting... 154 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,559 FINDING MEMORY 155 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,518 the images which will be supported by... 156 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,591 Which will be linked to one another. 157 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,030 Sometimes, we should try to see if we can 158 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,993 pass through images by digging deeper, 159 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,159 like we dig deeper in the story, 160 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,239 the story of something in the body. 161 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,558 MORE SLOWLY 162 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,111 We often say that events move too quickly. 163 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,312 It's impossible to see the beginning of an illness 164 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,833 or of happiness. So, slowing down in order to see. 165 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,431 And to see not just what is there, 166 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,912 but, first, to see if there is something to see. 167 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,915 That's why football was something 168 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,713 that allowed us to see 169 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,918 if Denise could be 170 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,516 something 171 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,720 besides the bicycle. 172 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,877 And 173 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,795 that she would leave that and have to find it again. 174 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,630 She could be connected to Jacques, 175 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,838 who would be the coach. 176 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,557 And who is actually looking to be coaxed into something. 177 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,680 And there was also, 178 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,111 in sports... 179 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,354 At times, in sports, we love to see slow-motion shots 180 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,918 It's because we see the work 181 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,110 and the emotion in the work. 182 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,074 We have the time to see. 183 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,197 And so, maybe in one scene, 184 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,959 there are things to see. 185 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,870 See that it's not dialogue that necessarily creates movement, 186 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,788 but that there must be movement, 187 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,595 and dialogue is somehow separate. 188 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,829 It doesn't create a chain of events. The linking of dialogue to movements 189 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,872 in this face, 190 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,590 in the slowness of this face... 191 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,510 Basically, it's the silence of speed. 192 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,393 So, we see how we can find 193 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,433 a change in the direction of the story, 194 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,233 and how to direct the story. 195 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,475 EARLY FRAGMENTS OF SHOTS 196 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,558 An image of the return. 197 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:12,356 Hell for Brother Jacques 198 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,596 is going back to the beginning. 199 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,231 And so 200 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,395 an image on the road. 201 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,033 I think in terms of photography. 202 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,712 This story of the cinematographer that I told you about. 203 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,756 The one who can talk, make reports, 204 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,359 compare colours, 205 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,552 compare landscapes, even see a film. 206 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,671 Lighting like we never see anymore. 207 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,109 Or take a Polaroid photo 208 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,238 and compare it. 209 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,191 I saw a film, 210 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,074 an image from an American film that Wim Wenders is making, 211 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,270 and the documentation that he had 212 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,628 about a painter from the period that interested him. I saw this... 213 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,316 superb lighting. 214 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,789 While looking at this image and its lighting, all of a sudden I thought 215 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,198 of the client and the girl who 216 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,193 is waiting for the client. 217 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,472 And so, Isabelle's character. 218 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,318 I started with... 219 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,552 I started with that, the framing and the body movements. 220 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,274 Like Bonnard. 221 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,355 And then I saw a film 222 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,517 by a young filmmaker who went to the photography school in Vevey. 223 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,872 I thought the framing, the image, was amazing. 224 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,116 And I thought of it because 225 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,518 I thought the movements reminded me of Dreyer's Joan of Arc. 226 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,434 And I thought of the scenes 227 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,553 when the body is being used as a factory, 228 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,319 where we are consumed and the work burns 229 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,352 and we see death 230 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,873 in pleasure. 231 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,436 Anyway, something mortal. 232 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,755 There was something 233 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,917 like in The Passion of Joan of Arc to be done. 234 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,154 In films, we often see fighting between women or men. 235 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,597 I feel a little like... 236 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,154 I saw these 237 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,829 primitive struggles. 238 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,673 So I thought about it, I drew 239 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,233 a woman and a man who were fighting like that. 240 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,911 But, in fact, 241 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,794 it's the primitive world 242 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,192 that we feel is surfacing today, everywhere. 243 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,838 Denise, as soon as she crosses the border of the forest, 244 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,916 she is able to get beyond. 245 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,113 She goes beyond things. Not through the mirror, beyond things. 246 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,835 And she comes upon this game 247 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,192 that we still find in the canton of Bern 248 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,118 in the small villages: Hornuss. 249 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,950 A completely crazy game. 250 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,756 You throw a little wooden ball, like in baseball, 251 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,839 and the opposing team has to stop it 252 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,111 by throwing these paddle things in the air. 253 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,799 And in the forest, she will meet Werner Herzog. 254 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,434 So here is a still image 255 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,558 that will introduce... 256 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,793 The German craziness that will introduce into the world 257 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,273 the world behind things. 258 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,079 Well, all of this is not very clear. 259 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,636 I might have bored you a bit, 260 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,476 but that doesn't bother me. I mean, that's creation. 261 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,070 We're in the servants' quarters, and we're far from the masters, 262 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,714 and that at least was something. 263 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,517 For the music, I had the idea that we would see, at one point... 264 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,634 At different moments, we hear the music, like film music, 265 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,433 at dramatic moments 266 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,190 when it accompanies an emotional moment. 267 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,757 But sometimes the characters wonder, 268 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,714 "What is this music that we're hearing, that is always following me?" 269 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,991 And then they say that it's next door or it's the radio. 270 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:15,796 It happens once in a while, a supporting character or a leading actor, 271 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,434 someone says that from time to time in the film. 272 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,315 They say, I don't know, "There's an orchestra on the radio." 273 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,910 And at the end, when Denise leaves, Isabelle stays, 274 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,113 and Jacques gets on the train, 275 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,152 that might be one of those times. 276 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,955 Jacques took the train. 277 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,312 On the left side of the road, Denise leaves on her bicycle. 278 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,230 And then there's the music. 279 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,836 And then the camera pans and we see the orchestra, 280 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:01,478 the 120 musicians from the Amsterdam Orchestra 281 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,479 or the Boston Philharmonic, who are in the field. 282 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,633 And again, that's when... 283 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,232 It's as if we were seeing the inside 284 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,432 of the countryside, of that place, 285 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,038 that place where we have faith. 286 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,276 And this will introduce 287 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,354 the descent into hell. 22171

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