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A Lot Of People Say 5 00:00:19,132 --> 00:00:21,192 You Just Made It Up To Have Something To Say. 6 00:00:21,192 --> 00:00:24,192 -[Interviewer Chuckles] -But One Day, Our Television Broke Down, 7 00:00:24,192 --> 00:00:29,102 And We Didn't Have Anything, Really, To Do, Like, In The Morning Times. 8 00:00:29,102 --> 00:00:32,222 So What We Started Doing, We Started Singing, 9 00:00:32,222 --> 00:00:34,272 My Mother, My Brothers, 10 00:00:34,272 --> 00:00:38,072 And We Started Making Harmony. 11 00:00:38,072 --> 00:00:39,202 Next Thing We Know Is We Were Singing At Talent Shows, 12 00:00:39,202 --> 00:00:41,112 Winning Awards And Trophies. 13 00:00:41,112 --> 00:00:42,222 That's How It Got Started. 14 00:00:42,222 --> 00:00:43,272 [Music Playing] 15 00:00:43,272 --> 00:00:45,202 [All Vocalizing] 16 00:00:45,202 --> 00:00:48,072 ♪ You Went To School To Learn, Girl ♪ 17 00:00:48,072 --> 00:00:50,082 ♪ Things You Never, Never Knew Before ♪ 18 00:00:50,082 --> 00:00:53,082 ♪ Like "I" Before "E" Except After "C" ♪ 19 00:00:53,082 --> 00:00:54,192 ♪ And Why 2 Plus 2 Makes 4 ♪ 20 00:00:54,192 --> 00:00:56,242 ♪ Now, Now, Now I'm Gonna Teach You ♪ 21 00:00:56,242 --> 00:00:58,082 ♪ Teach You, Teach You ♪ 22 00:00:58,082 --> 00:00:59,242 ♪ All About Love Yeah ♪ 23 00:00:59,242 --> 00:01:01,052 ♪ All About Love Yeah ♪ 24 00:01:01,052 --> 00:01:02,252 ♪ Sit Yourself Down, Take A Seat ♪ 25 00:01:02,252 --> 00:01:05,132 ♪ All You Gotta Do Is Repeat After Me ♪ 26 00:01:05,132 --> 00:01:07,052 All: ♪ A B C ♪ 27 00:01:07,052 --> 00:01:09,122 -♪ It's Easy As ♪ -Chorus: ♪ 1 2 3 ♪ 28 00:01:09,122 --> 00:01:11,192 -♪ As Simple As ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Do Re Mi ♪ 29 00:01:11,192 --> 00:01:13,222 ♪ A B C, 1 2 3 ♪ 30 00:01:13,222 --> 00:01:15,122 ♪ Baby, You And Me Girl ♪ 31 00:01:15,122 --> 00:01:16,192 Michael: Stop The Film! Hey! 32 00:01:16,192 --> 00:01:18,152 Stop The Film, Please. 33 00:01:18,152 --> 00:01:21,142 Hey, Stop The Film! Come On. Thank You. 34 00:01:21,142 --> 00:01:24,122 They Wanna Hear I Want You Back And Abc And The Love You Save. 35 00:01:24,122 --> 00:01:27,052 -[Audience Roaring] -And Dancing Machine And Sugar Daddy, 36 00:01:27,052 --> 00:01:28,192 I'll Be There, Got To Be There. 37 00:01:28,192 --> 00:01:31,122 Rockin' Robin. You Want To Hear Daddy's Home? 38 00:01:31,122 --> 00:01:34,072 Do You Want To Hear All The Old Stuff? 39 00:01:34,072 --> 00:01:36,152 The Number One Reason I Don't Want To Do The Old Stuff, 40 00:01:36,152 --> 00:01:38,182 -Number One, It's Old, Okay? -Oh... 41 00:01:38,182 --> 00:01:41,192 Number Two, The Choreography Is Old. 42 00:01:41,192 --> 00:01:43,052 [Audience Chattering] 43 00:01:43,192 --> 00:01:45,102 Jackie's Old. 44 00:01:45,102 --> 00:01:47,252 [Audience Cheering] 45 00:01:47,252 --> 00:01:50,102 -Do You Care About That? -[Audience Cheering] 46 00:01:50,102 --> 00:01:51,232 Do You Care? 47 00:01:51,232 --> 00:01:55,052 -[Audience Roars] -I'll Tell You What... 48 00:01:55,052 --> 00:01:58,062 -I'll Do The Old Stuff For You, Okay? -[Audience Cheering] 49 00:01:58,062 --> 00:02:00,142 But I'm Doing It For You. I'm Not Doing It For Them. 50 00:02:00,142 --> 00:02:01,252 I'm Doing It For You. 51 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 52 00:02:23,232 --> 00:02:27,182 [Vocalizing] 53 00:02:27,182 --> 00:02:29,082 ♪ Just Let Me Tell You Now ♪ 54 00:02:33,122 --> 00:02:35,222 ♪ When I Had You To Myself ♪ 55 00:02:35,222 --> 00:02:37,232 ♪ I Didn't Want You Around ♪ 56 00:02:37,232 --> 00:02:42,212 ♪ Those Pretty Faces Always Made You Stand Out In A Crowd ♪ 57 00:02:42,212 --> 00:02:47,242 Their First Four Songs Broke Historical Records. 58 00:02:47,242 --> 00:02:51,082 Because They All Went To Number One, The Very First Four Songs 59 00:02:52,252 --> 00:02:55,092 They Ever Recorded, Which Was I Want You Back... 60 00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:57,072 Suzanne DE Passe: Abc, The Love You Save... 61 00:02:57,072 --> 00:02:59,052 Berry Gordy: I'll Be There. 62 00:02:59,052 --> 00:03:02,112 What Happened After That Was We Went From Being Able To Go Anywhere, 63 00:03:02,112 --> 00:03:04,192 Get A Hamburger, Go To A Movie, You Know, 64 00:03:04,192 --> 00:03:07,102 Go Shopping, To Being Able To Go Nowhere. 65 00:03:07,102 --> 00:03:10,192 They Became So Successful So Quickly 66 00:03:10,192 --> 00:03:13,202 That None Of Us Were Prepared For It. 67 00:03:13,202 --> 00:03:14,232 Chorus: ♪ I Want You Back ♪ 68 00:03:14,232 --> 00:03:16,042 ♪ Oh, Oh, Baby 69 00:03:16,042 --> 00:03:17,102 Chorus: ♪ I Want You Back ♪ 70 00:03:17,102 --> 00:03:19,152 -[Vocalizing] -♪ I Want You Back ♪ 71 00:03:19,152 --> 00:03:22,072 He Used To Sing Songs With A Lot Of Feeling, 72 00:03:22,072 --> 00:03:24,142 And He Would Sing Them With A Lot Of Feeling 73 00:03:24,142 --> 00:03:26,232 And A Lot Of Mood Like He Had Been There Before. 74 00:03:26,232 --> 00:03:28,232 Like He Had Lived It Before. 75 00:03:28,232 --> 00:03:33,182 Vocally, He Was Just Leaps And Bounds Ahead 76 00:03:33,182 --> 00:03:36,172 Of What Anybody Could Teach Him. 77 00:03:36,172 --> 00:03:38,062 He Came Here Knowing That Stuff. 78 00:03:38,062 --> 00:03:39,222 It Was In His Dna. 79 00:03:39,222 --> 00:03:42,112 I Discovered That Michael Was Very Talented 80 00:03:42,112 --> 00:03:44,182 When He Was Just About Two Or Three Years Old. 81 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:48,212 Michael Had A Lot Of Rhythm, And He Loved To Dance. 82 00:03:48,212 --> 00:03:51,242 I Think He Was Born Dancing. 83 00:03:51,242 --> 00:03:53,232 Michael Told Me Way Back, 84 00:03:53,232 --> 00:03:55,222 He Said, "Steve, I'm Not Gonna Be Poor." 85 00:03:55,222 --> 00:03:59,262 Imagine 11 Kids Living In A Two-Bedroom House In Gary, Indiana. 86 00:03:59,262 --> 00:04:02,102 And Gary, Indiana Is No Beverly Hills. 87 00:04:02,102 --> 00:04:06,242 It Was Hard. When You Have All Those Kids, Like I Had, 88 00:04:06,242 --> 00:04:10,172 And Kids, You Know, They Like To Eat, So When They Holler, 89 00:04:10,172 --> 00:04:12,252 They Want Some Food, You Gotta Put Something In Their Hand, 90 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:15,192 And I Kept Food On The Table, Plenty Of Food, Spike. 91 00:04:15,192 --> 00:04:20,242 Joseph Had Done A Remarkable Job Creating The Group. 92 00:04:20,242 --> 00:04:24,072 I Can Remember How Much It Meant To All Of Them, 93 00:04:24,072 --> 00:04:26,122 But Particularly Michael To Make It. 94 00:04:26,122 --> 00:04:29,262 Michael: I Would Say To This Day, Motown Was The Greatest School For Me. 95 00:04:29,262 --> 00:04:31,252 Really, It Was The Best. 96 00:04:31,252 --> 00:04:35,122 I Learned How To Cut A Track, As Well As Producing. 97 00:04:35,122 --> 00:04:38,052 I've Learned So Many Things About Writing. 98 00:04:38,052 --> 00:04:40,172 Pretty Much Like A College. They Taught Us Everything About 99 00:04:40,172 --> 00:04:43,052 Songwriting And Producing And Everything. 100 00:04:43,052 --> 00:04:45,152 And We Learned So Much About Lyrical Content, 101 00:04:45,152 --> 00:04:49,202 How To Produce Songs And Just Being A Great Artist. 102 00:04:49,202 --> 00:04:53,052 They Had The Best Songwriters And Artists In The World. 103 00:04:53,052 --> 00:04:54,142 Here We Are In Chicago. 104 00:04:54,142 --> 00:04:56,082 You See Here The Members Of The Temptations. 105 00:04:56,082 --> 00:05:00,262 Down Here On The Bottom, Is Little Michael With His Afro, 106 00:05:00,262 --> 00:05:03,142 And I'm Right Next To Him, That's Me, Y'all. 107 00:05:03,142 --> 00:05:06,272 What Michael Learned Is, To Be Great, 108 00:05:06,272 --> 00:05:11,172 You Had To Be Persistent, You Had To Work. 109 00:05:11,172 --> 00:05:15,252 He Got To Watch People Like Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder. 110 00:05:15,252 --> 00:05:19,112 -The Temptations, And Smokey Robinson. -Smokey Robinson. 111 00:05:19,112 --> 00:05:21,092 Jackie Jackson: All Those Wonderful Guys That We Idolized. 112 00:05:21,092 --> 00:05:23,232 Joe Vogel: These Were Legends In The Music Industry 113 00:05:23,232 --> 00:05:26,132 That He Was Able To Observe Up Close 114 00:05:26,132 --> 00:05:28,052 In The Studio, In Their Element. 115 00:05:28,052 --> 00:05:30,152 -I Get My Degree From The Motown University, -[Chuckles] 116 00:05:30,152 --> 00:05:32,132 -And I Just... -[Both Laughing] 117 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:35,072 There Was Really An Atmosphere Of Competition. 118 00:05:35,072 --> 00:05:38,162 Competition Breeds Champions But You Can't Let The Competition 119 00:05:38,162 --> 00:05:40,062 Overcome The Love. 120 00:05:40,062 --> 00:05:44,152 And So It Was All Built On Love, And Michael Was Full Of Love. 121 00:05:44,152 --> 00:05:47,242 And The Atmosphere Just Suited Him Very Well. 122 00:05:47,242 --> 00:05:49,192 We Learned So Much Being With All Those 123 00:05:49,192 --> 00:05:51,142 Great Songwriters And Producers. 124 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:54,052 And At That Time When It's Taking Place You Don't Realize That. 125 00:05:54,052 --> 00:05:57,162 We Were Kids Ourselves. I Didn't Know How To Do This. [Chuckles] 126 00:05:57,162 --> 00:06:02,052 And We Were Learning As We Went, Together. 127 00:06:02,052 --> 00:06:05,092 ♪ Stop! Nanana! You'd Better Save It! ♪ 128 00:06:06,152 --> 00:06:10,122 ♪ Stop, Stop, Stop, You'd Better Save It! ♪ 129 00:06:10,122 --> 00:06:13,172 [Vocalizing] 130 00:06:19,072 --> 00:06:21,072 ♪ When We Played Tag In Grade School ♪ 131 00:06:21,072 --> 00:06:23,082 ♪ You Wanted To Be It ♪ 132 00:06:23,082 --> 00:06:25,102 ♪ But Chasing Boys Was Just A Fad ♪ 133 00:06:25,102 --> 00:06:26,262 ♪ You Crossed Your Heart You'd Quit ♪ 134 00:06:26,262 --> 00:06:29,052 Yes, It's The Same Nerve The Beatles Touched 135 00:06:29,052 --> 00:06:31,042 Lo These Many Years Ago. 136 00:06:31,042 --> 00:06:33,262 Only This Time, It's A Group Of Black Teenagers 137 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:37,042 Fronted By An 11-Year-Old Soul Brother. 138 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:38,202 ♪ ...May Be Your Own ♪ 139 00:06:38,202 --> 00:06:40,152 ♪ Darling, Take It Slow ♪ 140 00:06:40,152 --> 00:06:43,062 ♪ Or Some Day You'll Be All Alone ♪ 141 00:06:43,062 --> 00:06:46,162 De Passe: It Was So Intense This Fan Worship. You Have To Understand, 142 00:06:46,162 --> 00:06:50,042 That All The Kids Who Were Responding To The Jackson 5 143 00:06:50,042 --> 00:06:53,222 Hadn't Had A Mickey Mouse Club With Kids Like Them On Camera. 144 00:06:53,222 --> 00:06:57,092 They Represented The First Youth Group 145 00:06:57,092 --> 00:06:58,242 Of Our Contemporary Times 146 00:06:58,242 --> 00:07:01,052 For All These Kids To Identify With. 147 00:07:01,052 --> 00:07:02,272 And Initially, They Were All The Black Kids. 148 00:07:02,272 --> 00:07:07,072 Beginning Is When I First Saw Him, 149 00:07:07,072 --> 00:07:08,172 And That's The Reason Why I'm Here, 150 00:07:08,172 --> 00:07:10,192 Is That That's What Motivated Me 151 00:07:10,192 --> 00:07:13,052 And Wanted Me To Do Whatever It Is That I'm Doing Right Now. 152 00:07:13,052 --> 00:07:17,232 He's Everything That I Aspired To Be. 153 00:07:17,232 --> 00:07:21,242 Those Boys Just Practice Most Of The Time With Us 154 00:07:21,242 --> 00:07:25,052 While Other Kids Were Out There 155 00:07:25,052 --> 00:07:27,092 Running In The Streets And Playing. 156 00:07:27,092 --> 00:07:30,212 They Was In There Trying To Get A Song Down Or Something. 157 00:07:30,212 --> 00:07:34,042 He Wanted To Be The Best At Everything He Ever Did. 158 00:07:34,042 --> 00:07:37,142 They Were Not At All Concerned About The Working. 159 00:07:37,142 --> 00:07:39,062 We Worked All Day And All Night. 160 00:07:39,062 --> 00:07:43,202 Gordy: This Kid, At 9, Meant Serious Business. 161 00:07:43,202 --> 00:07:47,102 I Mean, This Kid Meant Serious, Serious Business. 162 00:07:47,102 --> 00:07:49,102 [Chuckles] I Mean, He Was Not Kidding. 163 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:53,232 Valerie Simpson: He Questioned Nick And I About Our Early Motown Songs. 164 00:07:53,232 --> 00:07:56,152 He Always Wanted To Know. "How'd You Come Up With This Idea?" 165 00:07:56,152 --> 00:07:59,072 "What Was This?" "What Made You Say That?" 166 00:07:59,072 --> 00:08:02,252 Songs Like Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing. He Was A Real Student. 167 00:08:02,252 --> 00:08:06,042 I Was Fascinated By The Fact That He Had This Kind Of Commitment, 168 00:08:06,042 --> 00:08:09,112 This Kind Of Dedication And Was Inquisitive About... 169 00:08:09,112 --> 00:08:12,122 And Was Always Watching. He Would Always Be Watching. 170 00:08:12,122 --> 00:08:15,192 Well, Who Else Do You Think Makes The Stage Come To Real Life 171 00:08:15,192 --> 00:08:18,222 -Besides Me And Ed Sullivan? -[Audience Laughing] 172 00:08:18,222 --> 00:08:20,212 Hold It, Hold It. Hold It, Hold It. Hold It. 173 00:08:20,212 --> 00:08:23,112 You're Beginning To Steam Me, Kid. You Understand That? 174 00:08:23,112 --> 00:08:25,172 Michael: Best Experience In The World. 175 00:08:25,172 --> 00:08:28,152 I Was Sitting In The Wings And Learning. Oh! 176 00:08:29,192 --> 00:08:31,112 I Ate That Up. 177 00:08:31,112 --> 00:08:35,162 He Would Sit With Me At Mixing Sessions Because I Did A Lot Of Mixing. 178 00:08:35,162 --> 00:08:37,232 He Would Sit There For Hours And Hours. 179 00:08:37,232 --> 00:08:39,192 I Would Tell Somebody, One Of My Assistants, 180 00:08:39,192 --> 00:08:42,092 I Said, "Well, My Back Is Turned, 181 00:08:42,092 --> 00:08:45,112 "But I Know Michael Is Staring At Me." 182 00:08:45,112 --> 00:08:49,242 The Thing I Loved About Motown Was That Berry Gordy, 183 00:08:49,242 --> 00:08:51,242 If He Didn't Like A Song, 184 00:08:51,242 --> 00:08:54,112 -He'd Go In The Studio And Cut One Himself. -[Chuckles] 185 00:08:54,112 --> 00:08:56,192 And So Berry Gordy, In My Opinion, 186 00:08:56,192 --> 00:09:00,152 Is Probably The Greatest Record Man That Ever Was. 187 00:09:00,152 --> 00:09:03,252 Michael: Berry Was Wonderful With Taking A Song 188 00:09:03,252 --> 00:09:07,142 And Leading It To The Right Direction, Giving It The Right Flavors. 189 00:09:07,142 --> 00:09:11,042 To Make It A Hit, He Knew Just What It Takes, 190 00:09:11,042 --> 00:09:13,062 And Everybody Can't Do That. 191 00:09:13,062 --> 00:09:14,202 [Announcer Reading] 192 00:09:16,102 --> 00:09:17,262 [Announcer Reading] 193 00:09:18,162 --> 00:09:20,162 Ben Is Coming. 194 00:09:20,162 --> 00:09:22,132 [Announcer Reading] 195 00:09:22,132 --> 00:09:24,262 And This Time, He's Not Alone. 196 00:09:24,262 --> 00:09:29,242 Michael: And Then Came Ben, Which Was A Soundtrack To A Movie About Rats. 197 00:09:29,242 --> 00:09:32,242 And Wherever We Tour, The Whole World Demand To Hear It. 198 00:09:32,242 --> 00:09:36,212 We Can't Get Offstage. People Will Start Chanting For Ben. 199 00:09:36,212 --> 00:09:40,192 This Performance Of Ben At The Academy Awards In 1973 200 00:09:40,192 --> 00:09:43,112 Was The First Time That Michael Really Stepped Out On His Own. 201 00:09:43,112 --> 00:09:47,082 The First Nominated Song Is Ben From The Picture Ben. 202 00:09:47,082 --> 00:09:49,252 It Will Be Sung By A Young Man Whose Talent Is Mature 203 00:09:49,252 --> 00:09:53,102 But Whose Age Suggests That Maybe He Shouldn't Even Be Up This Late. 204 00:09:54,122 --> 00:09:57,092 ♪ Ben, The Two Of Us ♪ 205 00:09:57,092 --> 00:10:00,222 ♪ Need Look No More ♪ 206 00:10:01,132 --> 00:10:03,232 ♪ We Both Found ♪ 207 00:10:03,232 --> 00:10:08,172 ♪ What We Were Looking For ♪ 208 00:10:08,172 --> 00:10:13,172 ♪ With A Friend To Call My Own ♪ 209 00:10:13,172 --> 00:10:16,132 He Was Part Of Your Whole Life. 210 00:10:16,132 --> 00:10:19,212 It Was Crazy, Man, When You Were A Little Kid, 211 00:10:19,212 --> 00:10:22,172 With All The Jackson 5 Songs... 212 00:10:22,172 --> 00:10:26,132 Then When You're A Little Older, Then Through Your Puberty, 213 00:10:26,132 --> 00:10:28,072 Your Adolescence. 214 00:10:28,072 --> 00:10:32,112 ♪ Ben, You're Always Running ♪ 215 00:10:32,112 --> 00:10:34,242 ♪ Here And There ♪ 216 00:10:37,142 --> 00:10:41,102 And Then When You Go To College... He Was Always Around, 217 00:10:41,102 --> 00:10:43,062 Defining A Part Of Your Life. 218 00:10:43,062 --> 00:10:45,062 There's So Many Steps In Between 219 00:10:45,062 --> 00:10:47,182 That First Day And Off The Wall. 220 00:10:47,182 --> 00:10:50,262 For Me, The Most Heartbreaking 221 00:10:50,262 --> 00:10:52,182 Was When They Left Motown. 222 00:10:52,182 --> 00:10:54,262 ♪ Dancing, Dancing, Dancing ♪ 223 00:10:56,082 --> 00:10:57,142 ♪ She's ♪ 224 00:10:57,142 --> 00:10:59,062 ♪ Ah Babe ♪ 225 00:10:59,062 --> 00:11:01,132 ♪ Move It Baby ♪ 226 00:11:01,132 --> 00:11:03,192 ♪ Automatic Systematic ♪ 227 00:11:03,192 --> 00:11:05,252 ♪ Full Of Color Self Contained ♪ 228 00:11:05,252 --> 00:11:09,082 ♪ Tuned And Gentle To Your Vibes ♪ 229 00:11:09,082 --> 00:11:11,142 They Came In As Bubble Gum. 230 00:11:11,142 --> 00:11:15,172 No One Ever Graduates From Being A Cute Kid Group To Being Taken Seriously. 231 00:11:15,172 --> 00:11:17,162 There's No Child Singer That You Can Point To 232 00:11:17,162 --> 00:11:19,262 Besides Michael Jackson That Went 233 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:22,192 From Being Really Big To The Biggest Pop Star Ever. 234 00:11:22,192 --> 00:11:24,072 Thank God For Dancing Machine. 235 00:11:42,272 --> 00:11:45,182 What They Were Observing At The Time, At Motown, 236 00:11:45,182 --> 00:11:47,152 What The Jacksons Were Observing 237 00:11:47,152 --> 00:11:50,042 Were A Lot Of Artists Having Creative Freedom. 238 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:52,082 ♪ She's A Dance, Dance, Dance, Dance, Dancing Machine ♪ 239 00:11:52,082 --> 00:11:55,112 ♪ Watch Her Get Down, Watch Her Get Down ♪ 240 00:11:55,112 --> 00:11:57,112 ♪ Dancing Machine ♪ 241 00:11:57,112 --> 00:12:00,092 We Wanted To Write, We Wanted To Produce Ourselves 242 00:12:00,092 --> 00:12:03,192 And Our Contract At Motown Didn't Let Us Do That. 243 00:12:03,192 --> 00:12:05,272 And Plus, Our Contract Was Expiring At The Time 244 00:12:05,272 --> 00:12:08,232 And It Was Time To Make A New Change. 245 00:12:08,232 --> 00:12:12,162 Two Guys Named Ron Alexenburg And Steve Popovich... 246 00:12:12,162 --> 00:12:15,122 They Were With Epic, One Was Head Of Promotion 247 00:12:15,122 --> 00:12:16,212 And One Was Head Of A&R. 248 00:12:16,212 --> 00:12:18,152 And They Came To Me And Said, 249 00:12:18,152 --> 00:12:20,252 "We're Gonna Sign The Jacksons As A Group." 250 00:12:20,252 --> 00:12:22,262 Ron Alexenburg: It All Started At The Warwick Hotel 251 00:12:22,262 --> 00:12:25,122 And There's Nothing But Kids Around The Whole Hotel. 252 00:12:25,122 --> 00:12:27,112 I Went To The Doorman And Asked, "What's Going On Here?" 253 00:12:27,112 --> 00:12:29,052 And He Said, "The Jackson 5 Are Here." 254 00:12:29,052 --> 00:12:33,062 That Gave Me The Opportunity To Go Just The Way I Am Into The Lobby. 255 00:12:33,062 --> 00:12:34,182 I Picked Up The House Phone And I Called, 256 00:12:34,182 --> 00:12:36,072 I Said, "Michael Jackson, Please." 257 00:12:36,072 --> 00:12:38,082 And They Rang Right Through To Room 805, 258 00:12:38,082 --> 00:12:39,212 And He Came Downstairs With His Dad. 259 00:12:39,212 --> 00:12:42,052 And I Looked At Him And I Said, "What Do You Wanna Do?" 260 00:12:42,052 --> 00:12:43,242 And He Said, "Someday, I'd Like To Do My Own Music." 261 00:12:43,242 --> 00:12:45,212 I Said, "Really? What About Now?" 262 00:12:45,212 --> 00:12:49,112 The Group Wanted To Leave Motown. Joseph... 263 00:12:49,112 --> 00:12:50,232 My Name Is Joe Jackson. 264 00:12:50,232 --> 00:12:52,132 Steve Popovich: ...Thought That He Wanted To Bring Them 265 00:12:52,132 --> 00:12:54,062 And Take Them To A Whole Other Level 266 00:12:54,062 --> 00:12:55,232 That Motown Just Couldn't Do. 267 00:12:55,232 --> 00:12:57,252 I Was Told Not To Sign 'Em. 268 00:12:57,252 --> 00:12:59,232 And I Was Told That They Were A Cartoon Act. 269 00:12:59,232 --> 00:13:02,222 And I Went To Walter Yetnikoff, Who Was My Boss And I Said, "Hold On. 270 00:13:02,222 --> 00:13:04,222 "The Jacksons Belong On This Label. 271 00:13:04,222 --> 00:13:06,202 "We Call Ourselves The Family Of Music. 272 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:09,102 "This Is The Family. I Want To Sign Them." 273 00:13:09,102 --> 00:13:11,252 I Said, "Well, I Don't Know How Many Records They've Sold." 274 00:13:11,252 --> 00:13:14,252 So I Went To Hear At The Westbury Music Fair. 275 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:17,082 Michael Was 15 Years Old At The Time. 276 00:13:17,082 --> 00:13:19,152 He's Singing A Song To A Dead Rat, 277 00:13:19,152 --> 00:13:21,202 Which You Remember, Named Ben, Okay? 278 00:13:21,202 --> 00:13:24,062 I Come Back And I Said To These Guys, "Are You Crazy? 279 00:13:24,062 --> 00:13:26,172 [Coughs] "Sign Him And Give Him Three And A Half Million Dollars?" 280 00:13:26,172 --> 00:13:28,232 I Said, "Walter, Please. 281 00:13:28,232 --> 00:13:32,132 "You're New In Your Job And You're Really Not Qualified To Judge This." 282 00:13:32,132 --> 00:13:35,152 I Was In The Job, Like, Three Weeks When That Happened. 283 00:13:35,152 --> 00:13:37,162 He Was Like, "Okay, I'll Go Along With You Guys. 284 00:13:37,162 --> 00:13:38,222 "You Seem To Know What You're Doing." 285 00:13:38,222 --> 00:13:40,142 I Said, "You Know, You're Probably Right." 286 00:13:40,142 --> 00:13:43,132 That Was My Brilliant Move In Signing The Jacksons. 287 00:13:43,132 --> 00:13:45,272 ♪ Like Ben ♪ 288 00:13:47,142 --> 00:13:50,042 Chorus: ♪ Like Ben ♪ 289 00:13:51,152 --> 00:13:55,072 -♪ Like Ben ♪ -[Audience Applauding] 290 00:13:58,232 --> 00:14:03,042 Michael: The Most Tense Time Of Life For Me 291 00:14:03,042 --> 00:14:06,142 Was The Changing From Motown 292 00:14:06,142 --> 00:14:11,272 To Cbs. I Was In A Whole Another World, I Was... Gosh. 293 00:14:11,272 --> 00:14:14,082 It Was... I Didn't Know What Was Happening. 294 00:14:14,082 --> 00:14:17,272 Understanding The Challenge Of A Child Prodigy 295 00:14:17,272 --> 00:14:22,102 Having To Make A Transition From Now Being A Serious, Serious Artist. 296 00:14:22,102 --> 00:14:25,182 How Much Courage It Takes To Actually Step Outside Of That, 297 00:14:25,182 --> 00:14:27,182 And To Come With A New Sound. 298 00:14:27,182 --> 00:14:30,112 That Can Be Pretty Damn Scary. 299 00:14:30,112 --> 00:14:32,102 Kind Of A Critical Decision 300 00:14:32,102 --> 00:14:35,042 That The Jackson 5 With Their Father, Joe Jackson, 301 00:14:35,042 --> 00:14:37,082 Made To Leave Motown, 302 00:14:37,082 --> 00:14:40,152 And It Resulted In A Lawsuit 303 00:14:40,152 --> 00:14:43,182 Out Of Which Came A Name Change To The Jacksons. 304 00:14:43,182 --> 00:14:45,252 I Was Told I Couldn't Use The Name Jackson 5, 305 00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:47,262 And I Said, "It's Okay, We'll Call Them The Jacksons." 306 00:14:47,262 --> 00:14:50,102 Joe Jackson: 'Cause Berry Gordy Would Not Let That Name Go. 307 00:14:50,102 --> 00:14:54,272 We Were All Sad That He Was Gone And Jermaine Stayed. 308 00:14:54,272 --> 00:14:58,182 Jermaine Jackson Was Married To The Daughter Of Berry Gordy. 309 00:14:58,182 --> 00:15:00,162 So, Probably Not A Good Idea For Him 310 00:15:00,162 --> 00:15:03,072 To Leave Motown With The Rest Of His Family. 311 00:15:03,072 --> 00:15:05,082 We Respect Jermaine's Decision 312 00:15:05,082 --> 00:15:07,202 Because That Was A Very Difficult Decision For Him To Make. 313 00:15:07,202 --> 00:15:10,202 And I Respect Him For That Because He Did What He Wants To Do. 314 00:15:10,202 --> 00:15:12,092 I Want People To Do What They Want To Do. 315 00:15:12,092 --> 00:15:13,202 Don't Do What I Want You To Do, 316 00:15:13,202 --> 00:15:15,082 Do What You Feel That's Best For You. 317 00:15:15,082 --> 00:15:18,232 Michael: There's So Much Going On, So Much Tension. 318 00:15:18,232 --> 00:15:21,132 I Wasn't Sure What Was Gonna Happen. 319 00:15:21,132 --> 00:15:22,192 I Asked Michael, 320 00:15:22,192 --> 00:15:24,212 "What's Gonna Happen When People Ask You, 321 00:15:24,212 --> 00:15:26,202 "'Why Are You Leaving Motown?'" 322 00:15:26,202 --> 00:15:29,182 He Said, "Because Everything Is Possible With You At Epic Records. 323 00:15:29,182 --> 00:15:31,162 "And There's Nothing More To Be Said." 324 00:15:31,162 --> 00:15:34,172 And With Columbia Records, We Wanna Sell Twice As Many Records. 325 00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:37,132 We Want To Do The Things That We've Dreamed Of. 326 00:15:37,132 --> 00:15:39,212 That Was Not A Popular Signing In The Business. 327 00:15:39,212 --> 00:15:41,132 Nor Was It In The Building. 328 00:15:42,152 --> 00:15:44,132 Ron's Lost His Mind. 329 00:15:44,132 --> 00:15:46,132 You Know, The Jacksons Have Had It. They're Done. 330 00:15:46,132 --> 00:15:49,202 The Problem At That Time, Is They Had Had A Cartoon Series 331 00:15:49,202 --> 00:15:52,192 And The Credibility Was Questionable. 332 00:15:52,192 --> 00:15:55,132 Chorus: ♪ Ohhh 2,4,6,8, Who Do You Appreciated ♪ 333 00:15:55,132 --> 00:15:57,152 Michael: ♪ Please Be My Pride And Joy ♪ 334 00:15:57,152 --> 00:16:00,052 Chorus: ♪ 2,4,6,8, Who Do You Appreciate ♪ 335 00:16:00,052 --> 00:16:02,212 Michael: ♪ I Wanna Be Your Lover Boy ♪ 336 00:16:02,212 --> 00:16:04,232 ♪ I May Be A Little Fella ♪ 337 00:16:04,232 --> 00:16:07,062 ♪ But My Hearts As Big As Texas ♪ 338 00:16:07,062 --> 00:16:09,152 ♪ I Have All The Love A Man Can Give ♪ 339 00:16:09,152 --> 00:16:11,112 ♪ And Maybe A Little Bit Extra ♪ 340 00:16:11,112 --> 00:16:14,142 I'm Gonna Give Them As Much Credibility As I Possibly Can. 341 00:16:14,142 --> 00:16:16,142 We Got On The Train, Went To Philadelphia, 342 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:18,142 Gamble And Huff Opened Their Drawer Full Of Hits. 343 00:16:18,142 --> 00:16:22,052 When You Think Of Disco And When You Think Of Quality Disco, 344 00:16:22,052 --> 00:16:23,142 You Came To Philadelphia. 345 00:16:23,142 --> 00:16:26,072 Two Of The People That Michael Jackson Learned From, Immensely, 346 00:16:26,072 --> 00:16:28,152 Were Kenny Gamble And Leon Huff, 347 00:16:28,152 --> 00:16:32,212 Who Were The Creators And Entrepreneurs Behind Philly International 348 00:16:32,212 --> 00:16:34,182 The Proprietors Of The Disco Sound. 349 00:16:34,182 --> 00:16:37,182 They Had Always Wanted To Write And Produce... 350 00:16:37,182 --> 00:16:39,112 -Hmm. -...Their Own Records. 351 00:16:39,112 --> 00:16:43,042 You Know What I Mean, And Be A Part Of The Process. 352 00:16:43,042 --> 00:16:45,142 And That's Pretty Much What Philly International Was. 353 00:16:45,142 --> 00:16:49,112 -It Was A Place Where We Had A Lot Of Creative Freedom. -Mmm-Hmm. 354 00:16:49,112 --> 00:16:52,272 They Wrote Tons Of Hits. Tons, Tons Of Hits. 355 00:16:52,272 --> 00:16:54,152 Kenny Gamble: We Had Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes. 356 00:16:54,152 --> 00:16:56,252 -We Had The O'jays. -Interviewer: Go Through The Roster. 357 00:16:56,252 --> 00:16:58,252 We Had Patti Labelle. 358 00:16:58,252 --> 00:17:00,112 Interviewer: Archie Bell & The Drells. 359 00:17:00,112 --> 00:17:02,192 -Gamble: Phyllis Hyman. -Interviewer: Billy Paul. 360 00:17:02,192 --> 00:17:05,042 -Lou Rawls. We Had Teddy Pendergrass. -Leon Huff: Three Degrees. 361 00:17:05,042 --> 00:17:06,152 Gamble: Three Degrees. 362 00:17:06,152 --> 00:17:09,252 We Had To Style These Songs To Fit These Guys' Voices. 363 00:17:09,252 --> 00:17:11,272 -Interviewer: And That's What Great Producers Do, Right? -Sure. 364 00:17:11,272 --> 00:17:14,042 We're Right Almost In The Middle Of 365 00:17:14,042 --> 00:17:16,072 A Recording Session With The Jacksons. 366 00:17:16,072 --> 00:17:20,062 And Guess Who Is Producing Their Brand New Album. 367 00:17:20,062 --> 00:17:22,132 -Gamble And Huff. -That's Right. 368 00:17:22,132 --> 00:17:25,212 Now, Why Would You Guys Come All The Way In From California 369 00:17:25,212 --> 00:17:29,142 To Cut Some Sides In An Album In Philadelphia? 370 00:17:29,142 --> 00:17:33,052 Because Gamble & Huff's Organization Is Here 371 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:36,162 And They're Two Of The Best Producers In The World. 372 00:17:36,162 --> 00:17:39,042 Working With Gamble And Huff They Do It In A Little Quicker Pace. 373 00:17:39,042 --> 00:17:40,222 It Takes Three Weeks To Make A Record. 374 00:17:40,222 --> 00:17:43,052 I Didn't Know You Could Make A Record In Three Weeks, A Whole Album. 375 00:17:43,052 --> 00:17:46,102 They Were The Jimmy Jam And Terry Lewis Of The '70s. 376 00:17:46,102 --> 00:17:47,242 And Michael Always Says That He Learned A Lot 377 00:17:47,242 --> 00:17:51,102 About The Songwriting Process From Kenny Gamble And Leon Huff. 378 00:17:51,102 --> 00:17:54,122 How To Structure A Song. How To Create Great Arrangements. 379 00:17:54,122 --> 00:17:57,042 The Jacksons Came To Philadelphia For Two Years 380 00:17:57,042 --> 00:18:01,082 To Record Two Records, The Jacksons And Goin' Places. 381 00:18:01,082 --> 00:18:05,082 We Try To Write Songs That People Do All The Time, 382 00:18:05,082 --> 00:18:07,152 Or People Say Things All The Time. 383 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:11,152 ♪ Enjoy Yourself, Enjoy Yourself Enjoy Yourself With Me ♪ 384 00:18:11,152 --> 00:18:13,182 People Say That All The Time, You Know, "Enjoy Yourself." 385 00:18:13,182 --> 00:18:16,102 ♪ You Got To Enjoy Yourself ♪ 386 00:18:18,192 --> 00:18:20,062 ♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 387 00:18:20,062 --> 00:18:21,082 ♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 388 00:18:21,082 --> 00:18:22,172 ♪ Get Down, Get Down ♪ 389 00:18:22,172 --> 00:18:23,192 ♪ Get On Down ♪ 390 00:18:23,192 --> 00:18:24,232 ♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 391 00:18:24,232 --> 00:18:25,252 ♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 392 00:18:25,252 --> 00:18:27,092 ♪ Get Down, Get Down ♪ 393 00:18:27,092 --> 00:18:29,182 -♪ Get On Down ♪ -♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 394 00:18:29,182 --> 00:18:31,232 -♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ -♪ Get Down, Get Down ♪ 395 00:18:31,232 --> 00:18:34,112 -♪ Just Get On Down ♪ -♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ 396 00:18:34,112 --> 00:18:36,172 -♪ Enjoy Yourself ♪ -♪ Get Down, Get Down ♪ 397 00:18:36,172 --> 00:18:38,072 ♪ Just Get On Down ♪ 398 00:18:47,212 --> 00:18:49,072 -♪ Come On ♪ -♪ Come On ♪ 399 00:18:49,072 --> 00:18:50,062 -♪ Come On ♪ -♪ Come On ♪ 400 00:18:50,062 --> 00:18:51,122 -♪ Come On ♪ -♪ Come On ♪ 401 00:18:51,122 --> 00:18:52,112 ♪ Come On ♪ 402 00:18:52,112 --> 00:18:53,192 ♪ You Can Do It, You Can Do It ♪ 403 00:18:53,192 --> 00:18:55,152 ♪ You Can Do It, You Can Do It ♪ 404 00:18:55,152 --> 00:18:56,262 ♪ Oh! ♪ 405 00:18:56,262 --> 00:18:59,222 He Was Driven By The Music, He Loved The Music And... 406 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:00,262 Eager To Learn. 407 00:19:00,262 --> 00:19:02,272 One Of The Most Important Things 408 00:19:02,272 --> 00:19:05,172 To Being Successful Is Listening. 409 00:19:05,172 --> 00:19:09,182 It's Listening And Watching And Being A Good Person To Work With. 410 00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:10,222 Easy To Work With. 411 00:19:10,222 --> 00:19:12,042 Every Song Is A Negotiation. 412 00:19:12,042 --> 00:19:14,062 Every Production Is A Negotiation 413 00:19:14,062 --> 00:19:16,112 If You Are Co-Doing It With Someone. 414 00:19:16,112 --> 00:19:19,152 Michael: The Producer Wanted Me To Pronounce Words A Certain Way. 415 00:19:19,152 --> 00:19:23,152 There Was A Song And There's A Line In It Where He Sings... 416 00:19:23,152 --> 00:19:27,262 ♪ I'm A Man That's For All Seasons ♪ 417 00:19:27,262 --> 00:19:31,272 ♪ And What The City Offers Me Ain't Naturally ♪ 418 00:19:31,272 --> 00:19:35,212 "Ain't Naturally," He Sings That And I Go, "That's Bad English." 419 00:19:35,212 --> 00:19:38,072 [Chuckles] So, I Say, "Hang On, Mike," And I Come Out. 420 00:19:38,072 --> 00:19:42,182 And I Said, "So, It's Like, 'Isn't Naturally.' Naturally? Or 'Isn't Natural.'" 421 00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:44,262 Michael: I Told Him, You Pronounce The Word So Precisely, 422 00:19:44,262 --> 00:19:47,062 It Takes Away From The Feeling Of The Song 423 00:19:47,062 --> 00:19:50,152 And We Got Into A Little Thing With That. [Chuckles] 424 00:19:50,152 --> 00:19:53,092 There's A Lot Of Give And Take And Sometimes You Don't Wanna Give. 425 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:55,052 Or Sometimes You Give But You Feel Like, 426 00:19:55,052 --> 00:19:56,222 "I Should Have Left It The Way It Was." 427 00:19:56,222 --> 00:19:59,272 Something Said, In My Brain, "Shut The Fuck Up. 428 00:19:59,272 --> 00:20:02,102 "Stop Being The Grammar Police. 429 00:20:02,102 --> 00:20:05,042 "This Guy Is A Genius. Just Get Out Of His Way." 430 00:20:05,042 --> 00:20:07,272 Michael: I Was Right, And I Won. [Laughs] 431 00:20:07,272 --> 00:20:10,242 But It Was A Good Learning Point. 432 00:20:10,242 --> 00:20:16,092 You Want To 100% Express Your Idea. 433 00:20:16,092 --> 00:20:18,182 It's Just 100% Expression Of Me. 434 00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:19,242 We Have Two Albums... 435 00:20:19,242 --> 00:20:21,152 I Mean, Two Singles On The Album 436 00:20:21,152 --> 00:20:23,212 Coming Out In December On Epic. 437 00:20:23,212 --> 00:20:26,152 First Time We've Written Some Songs On The Album. 438 00:20:26,152 --> 00:20:28,202 It Was A Different Style, But Still It Was A Hit Record 439 00:20:28,202 --> 00:20:30,142 So When We Start Putting That Together 440 00:20:30,142 --> 00:20:33,082 With What We Heard Amongst The Brothers, 441 00:20:33,082 --> 00:20:35,202 It Created Our Own Style Of Music. 442 00:20:35,202 --> 00:20:37,042 Michael: It's Time To Write. 443 00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:38,142 Something Let You Know That It's Time 444 00:20:38,142 --> 00:20:40,152 For You To Go Out And Do It Yourself. 445 00:20:40,152 --> 00:20:44,202 So We Decided To Write And Produce Our Own Songs. 446 00:20:44,202 --> 00:20:46,122 And We Finally Did. 447 00:20:46,122 --> 00:20:48,162 And We Went Through So Much 448 00:20:50,232 --> 00:20:52,202 With People Not Believing In Your Work 449 00:20:52,202 --> 00:20:54,192 Or Saying, "Are You Sure? You Sure?" 450 00:20:54,192 --> 00:20:58,042 And We Said, "Yeah, We Know We Can. We Know What We Can Do." 451 00:20:58,042 --> 00:21:00,152 We Went In And We Wrote The Destiny Album. 452 00:21:00,152 --> 00:21:02,212 I Felt It Was Something That Came Within, From Us. 453 00:21:02,212 --> 00:21:05,092 And This Is The Jacksons. 454 00:21:05,092 --> 00:21:06,242 This Is Us Today. 455 00:21:06,242 --> 00:21:09,102 On The Destiny Album, Which Is The Album That Comes Out In 1978, 456 00:21:09,102 --> 00:21:11,072 A Year Prior To Off The Wall, 457 00:21:11,072 --> 00:21:13,142 He's Starting To Make Those Moves, He Wrote 458 00:21:13,142 --> 00:21:15,132 Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground). 459 00:21:15,132 --> 00:21:17,122 Interviewer: Where Were You When You First Heard About That Record? 460 00:21:17,122 --> 00:21:19,192 -How Did It Happen? -Michael: He Was At Home 461 00:21:19,192 --> 00:21:22,052 -And Randy Was Playing This Groove On The Piano. -Interviewer: Mmm-Hmm. 462 00:21:22,052 --> 00:21:23,172 [Michael Humming] 463 00:21:23,172 --> 00:21:25,232 I Said, "What Is That?" He Said, "This Is Nothing." 464 00:21:25,232 --> 00:21:27,232 I Said, "Don't Say That. It Is Something." 465 00:21:27,232 --> 00:21:30,212 -And I Just Started Singing To His Playing. -Interviewer: Mmm-Hmm. 466 00:21:30,212 --> 00:21:32,062 And It Came About. 467 00:21:32,062 --> 00:21:34,082 I Called Some Of My Friends Out Here 468 00:21:34,082 --> 00:21:36,112 That I Had A Lot Of Respect For That Knew How To Arrange. 469 00:21:36,112 --> 00:21:42,052 I Thought The Key To Really Making An Album, Of A Vocal Band Like This, 470 00:21:42,052 --> 00:21:45,052 Is Obviously Great Musicians, Great Arrangements. 471 00:21:45,052 --> 00:21:49,202 Bobby Colomby Convinced Me That I Should Get More Into Arranging. 472 00:21:49,202 --> 00:21:51,182 He Said, "And Here's Who You're Gonna Do It With." 473 00:21:51,182 --> 00:21:54,072 And Next Thing You Know, I'm In A Room With The Jacksons. 474 00:21:54,072 --> 00:21:57,052 Then We Brought Greg In To Come And Help Us With The Record 475 00:21:57,052 --> 00:21:59,062 On Destiny Album Again. 476 00:21:59,062 --> 00:22:01,132 -Yeah. Amazing. -Then... 477 00:22:01,132 --> 00:22:03,192 Everybody Was Using Greg Phillinganes. 478 00:22:03,192 --> 00:22:05,132 It Was... 479 00:22:05,132 --> 00:22:08,262 When I First Heard The Demo For Shake Your Body, It Was... 480 00:22:08,262 --> 00:22:12,122 Obviously, The Melody Was There. 481 00:22:12,122 --> 00:22:14,192 Which Was Very Strong. 482 00:22:14,192 --> 00:22:19,072 And They Had The Basic Piano Part. 483 00:22:19,072 --> 00:22:21,072 That You Hear... [Humming] 484 00:22:21,072 --> 00:22:22,202 All That Rhythm Was There. 485 00:22:22,202 --> 00:22:24,122 ♪ You Walk Around This Town ♪ 486 00:22:24,122 --> 00:22:26,192 ♪ With Your Head All Up In The Sky ♪ 487 00:22:26,192 --> 00:22:29,132 ♪ And I Do Know That I Want Ya ♪ 488 00:22:30,262 --> 00:22:34,272 But There Wasn't As Much Going On Rhythmically. 489 00:22:34,272 --> 00:22:36,072 Greg Came Up With This... 490 00:22:36,072 --> 00:22:39,192 [Mimicking Instruments] 491 00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:42,262 [Mimicking Instruments] 492 00:22:42,262 --> 00:22:45,042 That's The Rhythm Of Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) 493 00:22:45,042 --> 00:22:48,242 Which The Average Song Was More Like... [Mimicking Instruments] 494 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:50,062 It Fit Perfectly. 495 00:22:50,062 --> 00:22:51,122 At First, When He Came Up With That Beat, 496 00:22:51,122 --> 00:22:52,232 I Said, "What Is This Guy Doing?" 497 00:22:52,232 --> 00:22:55,112 I Said That To Myself. I Didn't Say Anything. 498 00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:58,112 But I Waited Until He Played It. 499 00:22:58,112 --> 00:23:01,122 And When He Played It, When We Heard It In The Record, 500 00:23:01,122 --> 00:23:03,252 I Said, "Oh, My God! This Is The Bomb." [Laughing] 501 00:23:03,252 --> 00:23:06,092 'Cause I Had Never Heard A Beat Like That Before. 502 00:23:06,092 --> 00:23:08,232 -It Was Incredible. Great Beat. -Mmm-Hmm. 503 00:23:08,232 --> 00:23:11,162 I Said, "If The Jacksons Ever Need A Drummer, 504 00:23:11,162 --> 00:23:13,162 "Let Them Know Your Friend Is In Town." 505 00:23:13,162 --> 00:23:15,242 The Guy's Name Is James Mcfield, Keyboard Player, 506 00:23:15,242 --> 00:23:17,172 Who Got Me The Audition. 507 00:23:17,172 --> 00:23:19,212 And Tito Said, He Had His Arm On His Guitar And He Said, 508 00:23:19,212 --> 00:23:21,042 "Let's Play Shake Your Body Down." 509 00:23:21,042 --> 00:23:23,092 Like This Kinda Look He Said, "You Know That One?" 510 00:23:23,092 --> 00:23:24,192 So I Start Playing The Beat. 511 00:23:24,192 --> 00:23:27,052 [Drums Beating] 512 00:23:27,052 --> 00:23:28,152 And They're Looking At Each Other, 513 00:23:28,152 --> 00:23:30,172 The Jackson Brothers Are Whispering In Each Other's Ears. 514 00:23:30,172 --> 00:23:33,042 And He's Looking, And I'm Like Saying, "Oh, No. I'm Blowing It." 515 00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:34,182 Because That Beat Is Very Tricky. 516 00:23:34,182 --> 00:23:36,242 You Have To Know When And How To Cross 517 00:23:36,242 --> 00:23:39,072 Your Arms To Make The Times Happen, 518 00:23:39,072 --> 00:23:40,252 The Intricate Hi-Hat Happen, 519 00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:43,232 And Keep The Beat Going Without Losing Any Of The Elements. 520 00:23:43,232 --> 00:23:46,162 And Then Randy Said, "Nobody Can Play That Beat. 521 00:23:46,162 --> 00:23:48,112 "That Was A Three-Part Overdub." 522 00:23:48,112 --> 00:23:51,182 And I Said, "Really? I Thought The Guy Played It At One Time." 523 00:23:51,182 --> 00:23:53,182 And He Was Shocked And Amazed I Could Play It. 524 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:55,222 And He Said, "You're Our Drummer." 525 00:23:55,222 --> 00:23:58,212 Marlon Jackson: We Had Tom Tom 84 Doing The Horn Arrangements, 526 00:23:58,212 --> 00:24:01,142 Who Is A Horn Arranger Out Of Chicago, 527 00:24:01,142 --> 00:24:03,122 Who Did All The Earth, Wind & Fire's. 528 00:24:03,122 --> 00:24:07,272 And Then We Got Earth, Wind & Fire Horn Players To Come In 529 00:24:07,272 --> 00:24:09,042 And Play... 530 00:24:09,042 --> 00:24:12,202 [Mimicking Instruments] 531 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,072 Horn Players Love That Lick. 532 00:24:14,072 --> 00:24:19,122 It's As Dissonant And Tension-Provoking Verse... 533 00:24:19,122 --> 00:24:23,152 Musically... I'm Like, "What's Going On? 534 00:24:23,152 --> 00:24:26,142 "Where Is The Bridge? Where's The Solo? When Do We..." 535 00:24:26,142 --> 00:24:28,142 I'm Just Used To Other Form. 536 00:24:28,142 --> 00:24:30,232 Epic's Really Not Interested In Them At All. 537 00:24:30,232 --> 00:24:34,082 At This Point, It Was Like, "God, We Gotta Put This Out." 538 00:24:34,082 --> 00:24:36,182 I Get A Call From Paris Eley. 539 00:24:36,182 --> 00:24:39,062 He's Head Of Promotion For The R&B Department. 540 00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:41,202 And He Says, "Hey, Man. 541 00:24:41,202 --> 00:24:43,142 -"Shake Your Body's A Hit." -[Audience Cheering] 542 00:24:43,142 --> 00:24:46,252 I Wanna Show You First Of All The Album And Then Show You The Inside. 543 00:24:46,252 --> 00:24:50,102 If I May, And From Left To Right, They Are Randy And Tito 544 00:24:50,102 --> 00:24:52,182 And Jackie And Marlon And Michael 545 00:24:52,182 --> 00:24:55,142 -And They Are The Jacksons. -[Audience Cheering] 546 00:24:55,142 --> 00:24:58,262 ♪ I Don't Know What's Going Happen To You, Baby ♪ 547 00:24:58,262 --> 00:25:02,152 -[Woman Screaming] -♪ But I Do Know That I Love Ya ♪ 548 00:25:03,122 --> 00:25:04,272 ♪ You Walk Around This Town ♪ 549 00:25:04,272 --> 00:25:07,152 ♪ With Your Head All Up In The Sky ♪ 550 00:25:07,152 --> 00:25:11,212 ♪ And I Do Know That I Want Ya ♪ 551 00:25:11,212 --> 00:25:14,062 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 552 00:25:14,062 --> 00:25:15,272 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 553 00:25:15,272 --> 00:25:18,132 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 554 00:25:18,132 --> 00:25:19,272 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 555 00:25:19,272 --> 00:25:22,112 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 556 00:25:22,112 --> 00:25:23,272 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 557 00:25:23,272 --> 00:25:26,172 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 558 00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:28,082 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 559 00:25:28,082 --> 00:25:30,072 That Enabled People 560 00:25:30,072 --> 00:25:33,192 -To See Michael Jackson Finally As An Adult. -[Audience Screaming] 561 00:25:33,192 --> 00:25:36,242 Because It Was Musical, It Was A Long Way From Abc 562 00:25:36,242 --> 00:25:38,092 And I Want You Back. 563 00:25:40,132 --> 00:25:42,152 [Audience Cheering] 564 00:25:44,132 --> 00:25:46,192 ♪ You Tease Me With Your Lovin' ♪ 565 00:25:46,192 --> 00:25:48,202 -♪ To Play Hard To Get ♪ -[Woman Cheering] 566 00:25:48,202 --> 00:25:52,042 ♪ Cause You Do Know That I Want Ya ♪ 567 00:25:52,042 --> 00:25:53,112 [Woman Screaming] 568 00:25:53,112 --> 00:25:55,162 -♪ You Walk Around This Town ♪ -[Women Screaming] 569 00:25:55,162 --> 00:25:57,062 ♪ With Your Head All Up In The Sky ♪ 570 00:25:57,062 --> 00:26:00,272 ♪ And You Do Know That I Want Ya ♪ 571 00:26:00,272 --> 00:26:03,202 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Dance, Shout ♪ 572 00:26:03,202 --> 00:26:05,192 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 573 00:26:05,192 --> 00:26:07,192 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 574 00:26:07,192 --> 00:26:09,192 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 575 00:26:09,192 --> 00:26:12,042 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 576 00:26:12,042 --> 00:26:13,262 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 577 00:26:13,262 --> 00:26:16,052 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Let's Shout ♪ 578 00:26:16,052 --> 00:26:18,122 ♪ Shake It All ♪ 579 00:26:18,122 --> 00:26:20,092 -[Audience Cheering] -Oh! 580 00:26:20,092 --> 00:26:22,062 ♪ Down, Down, Down, Down ♪ 581 00:26:25,122 --> 00:26:27,172 ♪ Shake It All ♪ 582 00:26:27,172 --> 00:26:31,062 There's A Moment In The Demo Of Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) 583 00:26:31,062 --> 00:26:37,042 Which Clearly Let Me Know That They Had Their Eyes On The Bigger Prize. 584 00:26:37,042 --> 00:26:40,062 It's 1978 And The Biggest Selling Album 585 00:26:40,062 --> 00:26:42,172 Of All Time Is Saturday Night Fever. 586 00:26:42,172 --> 00:26:46,232 And There's A Moment That You Can Hear Jackie In The Background Say, 587 00:26:46,232 --> 00:26:50,242 Pssh! "I Can't Wait Till The Bee Gees Hear This Shit." 588 00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:53,052 Jackie: I Want The Bee Gees To Hear This Shit. 589 00:26:53,052 --> 00:26:53,252 Oh! 590 00:26:56,112 --> 00:26:58,212 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Dance, Shout ♪ 591 00:26:58,212 --> 00:27:00,042 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 592 00:27:00,042 --> 00:27:02,052 -Everybody! -Chorus: ♪ Dance, Shout ♪ 593 00:27:02,052 --> 00:27:03,232 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 594 00:27:03,232 --> 00:27:05,232 -♪ Let's Dance, Let's Shout ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Dance, Shout ♪ 595 00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:07,112 ♪ Shake You Body Down To The Ground ♪ 596 00:27:07,112 --> 00:27:09,132 -Everybody! -Chorus: ♪ Dance, Shout ♪ 597 00:27:09,132 --> 00:27:12,042 We Wrote, "Produced By The Jacksons." 598 00:27:12,042 --> 00:27:15,092 "All Songs Written By The Jacksons." 599 00:27:15,092 --> 00:27:18,122 Well, Mick Jackson, A White Kid That Lived In England, 600 00:27:18,122 --> 00:27:19,262 Wrote Blame It On The Boogie. 601 00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:23,122 I Didn't Lie. His Name Is Jackson. 602 00:27:23,122 --> 00:27:24,192 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Sunshine ♪ 603 00:27:24,192 --> 00:27:26,212 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Moonlight ♪ 604 00:27:26,212 --> 00:27:29,112 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Good Times ♪ 605 00:27:29,112 --> 00:27:30,212 ♪ Blame It On The Boogie ♪ 606 00:27:30,212 --> 00:27:33,062 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Sunshine ♪ 607 00:27:33,062 --> 00:27:35,152 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Moonlight ♪ 608 00:27:35,152 --> 00:27:37,232 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Good Times ♪ 609 00:27:37,232 --> 00:27:40,112 ♪ Blame It On The Boogie Oh ♪ 610 00:27:40,112 --> 00:27:42,152 ♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ 611 00:27:42,152 --> 00:27:44,232 ♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ 612 00:27:44,232 --> 00:27:46,272 -♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ -♪ Yeah ♪ 613 00:27:46,272 --> 00:27:48,272 -♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ -♪ Woo ♪ 614 00:27:48,272 --> 00:27:51,072 ♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ 615 00:27:51,072 --> 00:27:53,112 ♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ 616 00:27:53,112 --> 00:27:54,272 ♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ 617 00:27:54,272 --> 00:27:57,102 ♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ 618 00:27:57,102 --> 00:27:58,182 ♪ Sunshine ♪ 619 00:27:58,182 --> 00:28:00,212 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Moonlight ♪ 620 00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:03,112 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Good Times ♪ 621 00:28:03,112 --> 00:28:04,102 ♪ Blame It On The Boogie ♪ 622 00:28:04,102 --> 00:28:05,142 Oh! 623 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:06,222 ♪ Sunshine ♪ 624 00:28:06,222 --> 00:28:08,202 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Moonlight ♪ 625 00:28:08,202 --> 00:28:10,192 ♪ Don't Blame It On The Good Times ♪ 626 00:28:10,192 --> 00:28:13,162 ♪ Blame It On The Boogie Oh ♪ 627 00:28:13,162 --> 00:28:15,202 ♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ 628 00:28:15,202 --> 00:28:17,182 ♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ 629 00:28:17,182 --> 00:28:19,122 ♪ I Just Can't, I Just Can't ♪ 630 00:28:19,122 --> 00:28:21,132 -♪ I Just Can't Control My Feet ♪ -Oh! 631 00:28:21,132 --> 00:28:22,232 So, Michael Starts Singing It. 632 00:28:22,232 --> 00:28:26,242 He Throws The Headphones Down And Bolts Out Of The Studio. 633 00:28:26,242 --> 00:28:29,112 I Turn To The Engineer. "Did He Get Feedback?" 634 00:28:29,112 --> 00:28:30,202 He Goes, "No, Nothing." 635 00:28:30,202 --> 00:28:33,052 I Go Out To The Hall, He's Dancing. 636 00:28:33,052 --> 00:28:35,092 [Chuckles] It Was Unbelievable, He's Spinning Around. 637 00:28:35,092 --> 00:28:39,162 He Goes, "I'm Sorry, Sir. I Can't Stand Still And Sing That Section. 638 00:28:39,162 --> 00:28:41,192 "I Gotta Get This Out." 639 00:28:41,192 --> 00:28:44,242 He'd Watched James Brown, The Nicholas Brothers And Sammy Davis. 640 00:28:44,242 --> 00:28:48,052 He'd See Somebody Dance One Time, 641 00:28:48,052 --> 00:28:51,132 Like Fred Astaire, Some Of The Other Stars, 642 00:28:51,132 --> 00:28:53,122 And He Can Do Exactly What They... 643 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:54,222 Easy To Catch On. 644 00:28:54,222 --> 00:28:57,122 Jackie Wilson, Which I Used To Watch 645 00:28:57,122 --> 00:29:00,042 -On The Wings Every Day At The Stage, -Interviewer: Mmm-Hmm. 646 00:29:00,042 --> 00:29:01,192 We Would Play At The Regal Theater. Six Shows A Day. 647 00:29:01,192 --> 00:29:03,082 We Would Come On Amateur Hour. 648 00:29:03,082 --> 00:29:04,142 Interviewer: Oh, My Gosh. 649 00:29:04,142 --> 00:29:05,272 I Would Just Watch Him 650 00:29:05,272 --> 00:29:07,262 And Sammy Davis Jr.'S Another One Of My Favorites. 651 00:29:07,262 --> 00:29:10,142 -Interviewer: You Can't Go Wrong Watching Sammy Davis Jr. -Michael: Oh, Yeah. 652 00:29:10,142 --> 00:29:12,202 To Watch Him, [Swallows] 653 00:29:12,202 --> 00:29:17,102 And Suddenly See Little Flashes... 654 00:29:17,102 --> 00:29:19,162 Flatteringly I Say This About Myself. 655 00:29:19,162 --> 00:29:22,132 Little Flashes Of Me There And Go, Wow... 656 00:29:22,132 --> 00:29:24,172 But He's Extended It. 657 00:29:24,172 --> 00:29:26,182 He's Changed It, He's Colored It 658 00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:28,172 Till It Becomes His Own. 659 00:29:28,172 --> 00:29:30,212 He Introduced Me To Fred Astaire And All These Movies. 660 00:29:30,212 --> 00:29:32,152 I Had No Idea Who The Hell These People Were 661 00:29:32,152 --> 00:29:34,152 -Prior To That. -Interviewer: Mmm-Hmm. 662 00:29:34,152 --> 00:29:39,152 And He Just Opened Up My Eyes To A Whole Another World Of Inspiration. 663 00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:42,172 I Just Wanna Let You Know I Have All Your Films On Tape 664 00:29:42,172 --> 00:29:46,172 And I Watch Them All The Time. And I Wanna Ask You One Question. 665 00:29:46,172 --> 00:29:49,262 How Do You Do That Thing When You Walk On The Ceiling 666 00:29:49,262 --> 00:29:51,272 -[Fred Astaire Laughing] -And You Dance... 667 00:29:51,272 --> 00:29:53,232 Michael: Really, I Wanna Know How Did That Work? 668 00:29:53,232 --> 00:29:55,232 Astaire: The Whole Room And The Camera Turned. 669 00:29:55,232 --> 00:29:57,142 Michael: So They Both Turned, Right? 670 00:29:57,142 --> 00:29:59,042 -Astaire: Yes. -[Tapping] 671 00:30:28,192 --> 00:30:31,062 Michael's Dance Is Based On Energy 672 00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:35,062 And He Moves Like An Electric Eel. 673 00:30:35,062 --> 00:30:38,072 I Think The Adjective "Electric" Is Good For Him. 674 00:30:38,072 --> 00:30:42,192 He's Charged With Energy, But He Has The Good Inner Sense, 675 00:30:42,192 --> 00:30:45,052 Or Wherever It Comes From, His Brain Or Wherever, 676 00:30:45,052 --> 00:30:48,112 To Just Take It Down And Then Up Again, Quickly, 677 00:30:48,112 --> 00:30:50,192 Which Good Dancers Naturally Have. 678 00:30:50,192 --> 00:30:55,242 I Came Out After The War, After I Was In The Navy, 679 00:30:55,242 --> 00:30:58,262 And I Wanted To Dance The Common Man. I Didn't Want To Dance 680 00:30:58,262 --> 00:31:02,262 In White Tie Or A Tuxedo And Dressed Up. 681 00:31:02,262 --> 00:31:06,262 I Wanted To Roll Up My Sleeves, And Wear Jeans And T-Shirts. 682 00:31:06,262 --> 00:31:09,272 The Nearest Thing I Could Get To Dancing Shoes Were Loafers, 683 00:31:09,272 --> 00:31:13,192 And The White Socks And The Rolled-Up Jeans. 684 00:31:13,192 --> 00:31:18,122 And He's Dancing From The Streets, Like I Was. I Believe That. 685 00:31:18,122 --> 00:31:23,042 I Was A Teenager, And I Was Getting Older. I Started To Really Understand 686 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:26,112 The Power Of Dance. 687 00:31:26,112 --> 00:31:31,162 The Way He Could Spin, Stop On A Dime And Point With Such Intensity, 688 00:31:31,162 --> 00:31:32,272 That's The Power I'm Talking About. 689 00:31:32,272 --> 00:31:35,242 When I Perfect A Certain Amount Of Moves, 690 00:31:35,242 --> 00:31:40,202 There Is Beauty In Simplicity, In Really Stripping Things Down 691 00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:42,042 And I Learned That From Him. 692 00:31:42,042 --> 00:31:43,242 He Impacted Everything For Me, Absolutely. 693 00:31:43,242 --> 00:31:45,162 He Impacted My Game On The Court, 694 00:31:45,162 --> 00:31:47,252 He Impacted Me Now, To This Day, And How I Learn. 695 00:31:47,252 --> 00:31:51,062 Watching Him Was Like Something I'd Never Seen Before. 696 00:31:51,062 --> 00:31:53,242 It Was Something That Was Magical, That Was Creative, 697 00:31:53,242 --> 00:31:56,262 That Seemed Like Something That I Could Mimic. 698 00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:59,202 That's How I Found My Love For Dance 699 00:31:59,202 --> 00:32:01,172 Before I Found Classical Ballet. 700 00:32:01,172 --> 00:32:03,132 I Used To Ask Him, I Said, "Man, How Much Do You Practice?" 701 00:32:03,132 --> 00:32:07,132 He Said, "You Know, I Would Dance Until I Can't Dance No More." 702 00:32:07,132 --> 00:32:08,272 I Said, "What Do You Mean?" 703 00:32:08,272 --> 00:32:12,132 He Said, "I Dance Till My Legs... I Physically Could Not Move." 704 00:32:12,132 --> 00:32:18,042 There's A Lot Of People Who Just Don't Have That Same Type Of Drive. 705 00:32:18,042 --> 00:32:21,252 You See It In An Artist Like Beyonce, That Kind Of Drive. 706 00:32:21,252 --> 00:32:23,222 A Lot Of Times, When It Comes To Black Artists, 707 00:32:23,222 --> 00:32:26,172 This Happens With Basquiat, It Happened With Miles Davis, 708 00:32:26,172 --> 00:32:27,222 With Michael Jackson, 709 00:32:27,222 --> 00:32:30,052 People Talk About Their Natural Gifts, 710 00:32:30,052 --> 00:32:33,092 As If There's Not Strategy And Skill And Craft, 711 00:32:33,092 --> 00:32:35,112 As If Miles Davis Didn't Go To Juilliard, 712 00:32:35,112 --> 00:32:38,212 Or Basquiat Didn't Know Who Monet And Renoir Were, 713 00:32:38,212 --> 00:32:41,172 Or Michael Jackson Hadn't Been Doing This His Entire Life. 714 00:32:41,172 --> 00:32:44,122 Some Of My Favorite Writers Are Johnny Mercer, 715 00:32:44,122 --> 00:32:49,062 Irving Berlin, George Gershwin, Duke Ellington, Count Basie. 716 00:32:49,062 --> 00:32:50,182 No, No, No, You Gotta Put The Work In, Man. 717 00:32:50,182 --> 00:32:52,102 You Gotta Put The Time In. 718 00:32:52,102 --> 00:32:54,172 And Really, Man, It's Love That You Put In There. 719 00:32:54,172 --> 00:32:56,052 You Know, 'Cause People That Do This Kind Of Stuff, 720 00:32:56,052 --> 00:32:57,252 Man, We Love What We Do. 721 00:32:57,252 --> 00:33:00,072 This Is Dated November 6, 1979. 722 00:33:00,072 --> 00:33:03,082 He Was On The Road With His Brothers On The "Destiny" Tour. 723 00:33:03,082 --> 00:33:06,102 [Reading] "Mj Will Be My New Name. No More Michael Jackson. 724 00:33:06,102 --> 00:33:09,052 "I Want A Whole New Character, A Whole New Look, 725 00:33:09,052 --> 00:33:11,072 "I Should Be A Totally Different Person. 726 00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:15,152 "People Should Never Think Of Me As The Kid Who Sang Abc, I Want You Back. 727 00:33:15,152 --> 00:33:18,062 "I Should Be A New, Incredible Actor, 728 00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:20,262 "Singer, Dancer That Will Shock The World. 729 00:33:20,262 --> 00:33:23,092 "I Will Do No Interviews. I Will Be Magic. 730 00:33:23,092 --> 00:33:27,052 "I Will Be A Perfectionist, A Researcher, A Trainer, A Masterer. 731 00:33:27,052 --> 00:33:30,132 "I Will Be Better Than Every Great Actor Roped In One. 732 00:33:30,132 --> 00:33:33,182 "I Must Have The Most Incredible Training System, 733 00:33:33,182 --> 00:33:36,252 "To Dig And Dig And Dig Until I Find. 734 00:33:36,252 --> 00:33:38,152 "I Will Study And Look Back 735 00:33:38,152 --> 00:33:41,112 "On The Whole World Of Entertainment, And Perfect It, 736 00:33:41,112 --> 00:33:44,252 "Take It Steps Further From Where The Greatest Left Off." 737 00:33:44,252 --> 00:33:46,242 Interviewer: You Guys Are Really Riding A Big High Now 738 00:33:46,242 --> 00:33:49,142 As Far As Producing Records And So On. 739 00:33:49,142 --> 00:33:51,112 You Think This Is The Peak Of Your Career Now, 740 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:53,052 Or Have You Gone Down A Little Bit, 741 00:33:53,052 --> 00:33:55,072 Or Are You Expecting Bigger And Better Things? 742 00:33:55,072 --> 00:33:56,272 Interviewer: What Are You Looking Forward To In The Future, Michael? 743 00:33:56,272 --> 00:33:59,252 Recording Other Artists And Going Into Acting. 744 00:33:59,252 --> 00:34:01,142 We Get A Lot Of Scripts In, 745 00:34:01,142 --> 00:34:05,102 But We Haven't Found The Exact Script That We Want To Use. 746 00:34:05,102 --> 00:34:08,062 -Interviewer: Mmm-Hmm. -So, We're Picking And Deciding. 747 00:34:08,062 --> 00:34:10,172 Think You May Be A Big Movie Star One Day, Huh? 748 00:34:10,172 --> 00:34:12,042 Yeah, I'd Like To Give It A Try. 749 00:34:12,042 --> 00:34:13,242 Yeah, It's A Good Business To Be In. 750 00:34:13,242 --> 00:34:15,212 You've Got The Looks, You Know. 751 00:34:15,212 --> 00:34:18,232 -Fortunately, I Didn't... -[Scattered Laughter From Audience] 752 00:34:18,232 --> 00:34:22,042 -What? -[Audience Laughing] 753 00:34:22,042 --> 00:34:26,052 Man: With The Advent Of Motion Pictures, Came An Abundance Of Oz Films. 754 00:34:26,052 --> 00:34:30,122 A 1925 Version Starred Oliver Hardy As The Tin Man. 755 00:34:30,122 --> 00:34:32,202 And Who'll Ever Forget The 1939 756 00:34:32,202 --> 00:34:36,122 Mgm Musical Version Starring Judy Garland. 757 00:34:36,122 --> 00:34:42,082 In 1974, The Wiz Opened On Broadway, Winning Seven Tony Awards. 758 00:34:42,082 --> 00:34:44,102 I Was A Senior In High School, 759 00:34:45,202 --> 00:34:50,102 And There Was This Girl Named Barbara Hampton, Who I Liked, 760 00:34:50,102 --> 00:34:51,272 And I Wanted To Impress Her. 761 00:34:51,272 --> 00:34:54,202 I Was Working At Baskin-Robbins. 762 00:34:54,202 --> 00:34:58,182 I Just Saved My Money, I Finally Got Enough Courage To Ask Her, 763 00:34:58,182 --> 00:35:01,102 "Would You Like To Go See The Wiz With Me? 764 00:35:01,102 --> 00:35:03,152 "I Got Two Great Seats. They're Center Aisle." 765 00:35:03,152 --> 00:35:05,202 She Said, "No, I Don't Think So." 766 00:35:05,202 --> 00:35:09,152 [Laughing] 767 00:35:09,152 --> 00:35:12,152 Scalped Them For Double The Price. 768 00:35:12,152 --> 00:35:15,102 I Took Michael The First Time To See The Wiz, He Went Back 30 More Times. 769 00:35:15,102 --> 00:35:19,202 The Wiz, When It Came Out In 1978, 770 00:35:19,202 --> 00:35:23,172 Was Lumet's Movie Adaptation Of That Great, Long-Running Play 771 00:35:23,172 --> 00:35:25,222 That Was On Broadway With Stephanie Mills. 772 00:35:25,222 --> 00:35:27,212 ♪ So It's Real ♪ 773 00:35:27,212 --> 00:35:30,262 ♪ Real, Real, Real... ♪ 774 00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:33,212 There Was A Great Debate, At Least In My Neighborhood, 775 00:35:33,212 --> 00:35:35,182 That, Diana Ross Was Dope, 776 00:35:35,182 --> 00:35:37,142 But The Only Reason Why They Cast Her Is 'Cause She's Diana Ross. 777 00:35:37,142 --> 00:35:39,202 Stephanie Mills Would Have Been A Better Fit For The Film, 778 00:35:39,202 --> 00:35:42,162 But For Whatever Reason, She Didn't Get The Job. 779 00:35:42,162 --> 00:35:45,122 We're Not Gonna Do It With An Unknown, Young Actress. 780 00:35:45,122 --> 00:35:49,092 We Have To Have The Star Power To Make It "Cross Over." 781 00:35:49,092 --> 00:35:51,102 It Also Was... 782 00:35:51,102 --> 00:35:55,042 The Most Expensive Movie Ever Made 783 00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:57,222 With An All African-American Cast. 784 00:35:57,222 --> 00:36:00,202 Interviewer: So, Because Of Car Wash And Sparkle, 785 00:36:00,202 --> 00:36:03,042 -You Know, This Happens In Hollywood, -Joel Schumacher: Mmm-Hmm. 786 00:36:03,042 --> 00:36:05,272 Were You Designated As The Go-To Guy For Black Material? 787 00:36:05,272 --> 00:36:07,262 -I Was The Black Writer. -Interviewer: The Black Writer, Huh? 788 00:36:07,262 --> 00:36:12,142 And Sidney Was Probably The Number One American Director Right Then, 789 00:36:12,142 --> 00:36:15,102 'Cause He Had Done Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, 790 00:36:15,102 --> 00:36:17,102 Network, Murder On The Orient Express, 791 00:36:17,102 --> 00:36:18,152 I Think, All In A Row. 792 00:36:18,152 --> 00:36:19,242 -He Was King. -Interviewer: Right. 793 00:36:19,242 --> 00:36:21,082 And Definitely, King Of New York. 794 00:36:21,082 --> 00:36:24,152 Michael Was Desperate To Play The Scarecrow. 795 00:36:24,152 --> 00:36:26,162 He Always Wanted To Have A Film Career. 796 00:36:26,162 --> 00:36:28,122 There Was Some Rumor That He Was Supposed To Star 797 00:36:28,122 --> 00:36:30,132 In The Frankie Lymon Story. That Never Happened. 798 00:36:30,132 --> 00:36:32,152 The Wiz Was Supposed To Be A Huge Film. 799 00:36:32,152 --> 00:36:35,062 Diana Ross, His Longtime Pal, Was Starring In It. 800 00:36:35,062 --> 00:36:38,232 He's No Longer At Motown, And Michael Called Berry Gordy. 801 00:36:38,232 --> 00:36:40,262 We Were Doing The Wiz. 802 00:36:40,262 --> 00:36:43,132 Rob Cohen Was Handling It. 803 00:36:43,132 --> 00:36:46,132 He Was Working For Me At The Time With Motown Productions. 804 00:36:46,132 --> 00:36:48,122 It Would Have Been Very Easy For Him To Say, 805 00:36:48,122 --> 00:36:50,092 "Well, You Know, Michael, You're Gone Now, 806 00:36:50,092 --> 00:36:52,112 "And I Think We'll Find Somebody Else." 807 00:36:52,112 --> 00:36:54,252 Sidney Was Adamant That He Didn't Want Michael. 808 00:36:54,252 --> 00:36:56,262 He Felt Michael Was Over, 809 00:36:56,262 --> 00:37:02,072 And Had Been A Cute, Little Kid, Musical Star, But Hadn't Grown Into It. 810 00:37:02,072 --> 00:37:06,202 And I Just Said, "You're Making A Mistake, And I Want You To Meet Him." 811 00:37:06,202 --> 00:37:09,042 Of Course, Lumet Fell In Love With Michael. 812 00:37:09,042 --> 00:37:12,072 Sidney Lumet: Michael May Be The Purest Talent I've Ever Seen. 813 00:37:12,072 --> 00:37:14,192 He's Incapable Of A False Moment. 814 00:37:14,192 --> 00:37:19,132 He's So True That Anything Around Him Has To Become True. 815 00:37:19,132 --> 00:37:21,042 If You Don't Work Honestly Around Him, 816 00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:22,202 You're Gonna Look As If You're Faking It. 817 00:37:22,202 --> 00:37:24,122 Well, Yeah, He's All Those Things, 818 00:37:24,122 --> 00:37:28,172 Plus, This Kid Can Dance And Sing Like Nobody Else. 819 00:37:28,172 --> 00:37:33,162 It Was So Obvious, The Genius Of This Boy, I Mean, It Was So Effortless. 820 00:37:33,162 --> 00:37:35,252 When I Was Real Small, When I Saw The Original Wizard Of Oz, 821 00:37:35,252 --> 00:37:37,162 The Judy Garland Version, 822 00:37:37,162 --> 00:37:39,262 I Always Fell In Love With The Scarecrow, I Think Most Kids Do, 823 00:37:39,262 --> 00:37:42,192 Because You Feel Sorry For Him, And Everything, 824 00:37:42,192 --> 00:37:44,052 And His Character. 825 00:37:44,052 --> 00:37:46,072 And I Always Watched Him. 826 00:37:46,072 --> 00:37:48,052 Matter Of Fact, I Had The Step Down They Did, 827 00:37:48,052 --> 00:37:50,142 When I Was Around Six, I Would Do It All Around The House. 828 00:37:50,142 --> 00:37:51,172 "Follow The Yellow Brick Road." 829 00:37:51,172 --> 00:37:53,052 -Ta-Da. -[Laughing] 830 00:37:53,052 --> 00:37:54,092 Whoo! 831 00:37:54,092 --> 00:37:56,232 -Come On, Dorothy! Come On! -[Laughing] 832 00:37:56,232 --> 00:37:58,212 Whoo! [Giggling] 833 00:37:58,212 --> 00:37:59,212 Whoo! 834 00:38:00,222 --> 00:38:02,072 ♪ Come On And ♪ 835 00:38:02,072 --> 00:38:05,152 ♪ Ease On Down Ease On Down The Road ♪ 836 00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:09,092 ♪ Come On, Ease On Down Ease On Down The Road ♪ 837 00:38:09,092 --> 00:38:11,152 ♪ Don't You Carry Nothing ♪ 838 00:38:11,152 --> 00:38:13,142 ♪ That Might Be A Load ♪ 839 00:38:13,142 --> 00:38:17,182 ♪ Come On, Ease On Down Ease On Down, Down The Road ♪ 840 00:38:17,182 --> 00:38:19,092 Matter Of Fact, That Hill That We Do 841 00:38:19,092 --> 00:38:20,262 Ease On Down The Road Was Going Uphill. 842 00:38:20,262 --> 00:38:23,162 And, Diana And Me, We Were So Out Of Breath, 843 00:38:23,162 --> 00:38:25,262 -We Had To Do It A Couple Of Times, Really. -[Chuckles] 844 00:38:25,262 --> 00:38:27,212 I Mean, It Was Going Straight Up. 845 00:38:27,212 --> 00:38:29,232 ♪ On The Road That You Choose ♪ 846 00:38:29,232 --> 00:38:32,062 ♪ Don't You Give Up Walkin' ♪ 847 00:38:32,062 --> 00:38:34,062 -♪ 'Cause You Gave Up Shoes ♪ -♪ Oh ♪ 848 00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:35,242 ♪ Ease On Down ♪ 849 00:38:35,242 --> 00:38:38,172 Quincy Jones: He'd Come In For A Five-Hour Makeup Call In The Morning, 850 00:38:38,172 --> 00:38:40,202 Get The Makeup Out Of The Way, 851 00:38:40,202 --> 00:38:44,102 Right On The Case, He Knew Everybody's Lines, Everybody's Songs 852 00:38:44,102 --> 00:38:47,232 He Knew Everybody's Position, And He Stood There, Almost At Attention. 853 00:38:47,232 --> 00:38:51,082 I Saw This Uncanny Type Of Discipline In Such A Young Person. 854 00:38:51,082 --> 00:38:53,122 Quincy, Of Course, Was The Musical Director. 855 00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:54,222 He Was Doing The Score For The Wiz. 856 00:38:54,222 --> 00:38:56,132 You See Him For A Minute, Right? 857 00:38:56,132 --> 00:38:59,112 You See Him For A Minute Conducting The Band In The Movie. 858 00:38:59,112 --> 00:39:01,172 And I Was A Quincy Fan. 859 00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:05,272 You Know, Smackwater Jack, Walking In Space, Body Heat, All That Stuff. 860 00:39:05,272 --> 00:39:07,252 The Wiz Seemed Like A Great Combination 861 00:39:07,252 --> 00:39:09,192 Of All These Things That He Could Do. 862 00:39:09,192 --> 00:39:13,072 Lumet Was Very Happy To Have Quincy. We All Were. 863 00:39:13,072 --> 00:39:15,102 That Just, Kind Of, Guaranteed 864 00:39:15,102 --> 00:39:19,212 The Musical Portion Would Hit A Strong, Popular Chord. 865 00:39:19,212 --> 00:39:21,232 He Didn't Actually Have A Feature Number 866 00:39:21,232 --> 00:39:23,212 In The Film When They Hired Him. 867 00:39:23,212 --> 00:39:26,232 They Didn't Know About The Dancing, A Lot Of Things... 868 00:39:26,232 --> 00:39:30,162 Eventually, Everybody Came To Understand What He Was All About. 869 00:39:31,132 --> 00:39:33,262 ♪ You Can't Win ♪ 870 00:39:33,262 --> 00:39:35,222 ♪ You Can't Break Even ♪ 871 00:39:35,222 --> 00:39:39,082 ♪ And You Can't Get Out Of The Game ♪ 872 00:39:39,082 --> 00:39:41,212 ♪ People Keep Sayin' ♪ 873 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:43,132 ♪ Things Are Gonna Change ♪ 874 00:39:43,132 --> 00:39:46,222 ♪ But They Look Just Like They're Staying The Same ♪ 875 00:39:46,222 --> 00:39:49,132 Jones: But I Don't Think They Showed Enough Of His Dancing. 876 00:39:49,132 --> 00:39:53,052 The Real Night That Off The Wall Was Born, 877 00:39:53,052 --> 00:39:55,272 We Were Doing The Pre-Records For The Movie. 878 00:39:55,272 --> 00:40:01,062 Quincy Had, Like, Tunnel-Vision On Diana Ross. 879 00:40:01,062 --> 00:40:03,112 Finally, About 2:00 A.M., [Chuckles] 880 00:40:03,112 --> 00:40:06,152 Q Had What He Wanted From Diana, 881 00:40:06,152 --> 00:40:09,192 And He Goes, "Okay, Michael, You Come In On Bar 6." 882 00:40:09,192 --> 00:40:11,112 -And Michael's Part, Like, Had... -Michael: Ha! 883 00:40:11,112 --> 00:40:13,142 -A Thousand Watts. -Michael: Ha! Uh! 884 00:40:13,142 --> 00:40:18,102 He's Doing Everything That Became The Signature Michael Jackson. 885 00:40:18,102 --> 00:40:20,122 -[Grunting] -[Interviewer Laughs] 886 00:40:20,122 --> 00:40:22,112 Michael: Come On, Dorothy! Come On! 887 00:40:22,112 --> 00:40:26,212 And, It Was Like A Lioness Who Just Suddenly Sees A Baby Goat. 888 00:40:26,212 --> 00:40:27,232 [Laughs] 889 00:40:27,232 --> 00:40:29,182 It Was Just... 890 00:40:29,182 --> 00:40:30,252 The More I Knew Him, 891 00:40:30,252 --> 00:40:33,132 And The More I Became Fascinated 892 00:40:33,132 --> 00:40:35,272 With The Idea Of, Maybe, Working With Him. 893 00:40:35,272 --> 00:40:37,232 It Was A Lot Of Fun Working With All The Greats, 894 00:40:37,232 --> 00:40:41,152 Sidney Lumet, Quincy Jones, Everybody. 895 00:40:41,152 --> 00:40:46,052 I May Be One Of The Few People Who Really Loved The Wiz. 896 00:40:46,052 --> 00:40:50,042 There's Some Great Representation, On Film, That We Hadn't Seen Before. 897 00:40:50,042 --> 00:40:52,132 When The Wiz Came Out, I Was 7 Years Old. 898 00:40:52,132 --> 00:40:56,172 That Was An Event For Black America. 899 00:40:56,172 --> 00:40:57,252 I Can't Speak For All Of New York City, 900 00:40:57,252 --> 00:40:59,172 I Can't Speak For All Of The Country. 901 00:40:59,172 --> 00:41:01,172 But Everybody In My Neighborhood, In Harlem, 902 00:41:01,172 --> 00:41:04,052 Was Going To See The Wiz Because Of Mike Jackson. 903 00:41:04,052 --> 00:41:06,052 So, This Is A Big Moment For Michael Jackson. 904 00:41:06,052 --> 00:41:09,072 He Gets To Fulfill His Acting Desires, 905 00:41:09,072 --> 00:41:11,202 And He's Finally In A Big Hollywood Film. 906 00:41:11,202 --> 00:41:14,042 So, He And His Sister, La Toya, Move To New York. 907 00:41:14,042 --> 00:41:18,062 I Found Them An Apartment On 400 East 56th Street Off 4th Avenue. 908 00:41:18,062 --> 00:41:20,242 Jason King: In The Summer Of '77, A Legendary Summer, 909 00:41:20,242 --> 00:41:23,142 There Were Blackouts, There Was A Serial Killer, 910 00:41:23,142 --> 00:41:24,252 David Berkowitz, The Son Of Sam, 911 00:41:24,252 --> 00:41:26,202 Who Was Doing All These Random Killings, 912 00:41:26,202 --> 00:41:28,062 People Were Terrified. 913 00:41:28,062 --> 00:41:29,252 The First Summer Of Disco, It Was The Time 914 00:41:29,252 --> 00:41:33,102 In Which All Of These Nascent Music Forms Were Coming Up. 915 00:41:33,102 --> 00:41:36,182 Punk, Hip-Hop, Disco Was Huge, 916 00:41:36,182 --> 00:41:38,112 And There Were All These Different Elements 917 00:41:38,112 --> 00:41:39,212 That Were Happening In New York At The Same Time, 918 00:41:39,212 --> 00:41:41,182 That Were Sort Of Coming In Contact 919 00:41:41,182 --> 00:41:43,062 With Each Other Or Clashing With Each Other. 920 00:41:43,062 --> 00:41:45,102 I Have A Feeling That's Probably Where He First Heard 921 00:41:45,102 --> 00:41:46,192 A Lot Of Early Hip-Hop, 922 00:41:46,192 --> 00:41:48,172 The Beatboxing That He's Basically Doing 923 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:49,272 On A Song Like Working Day And Night. 924 00:41:49,272 --> 00:41:51,152 Even Though He Was Only 19, He Was Going 925 00:41:51,152 --> 00:41:53,092 To Studio 54 On A Regular Basis. 926 00:41:53,092 --> 00:41:56,072 Perhaps You've Heard The Name Studio 54. 927 00:41:56,072 --> 00:41:58,062 It Attracts The Rich And The Famous, 928 00:41:58,062 --> 00:41:59,242 The Glamorous And The Powerful. 929 00:41:59,242 --> 00:42:02,222 They Come To This Disco Palace In New York City 930 00:42:02,222 --> 00:42:04,182 Just About Any Night Of The Week. 931 00:42:04,182 --> 00:42:07,112 King: He Was Making All Kinds Of Eccentric And Unusual Friends 932 00:42:07,112 --> 00:42:10,042 That Now We See The Photos Of And It Looks Really Strange. 933 00:42:10,042 --> 00:42:11,102 He's Hanging Out With Liza Minnelli. 934 00:42:11,102 --> 00:42:13,122 Hi, Sweetheart. 935 00:42:13,122 --> 00:42:14,142 Are You Just Hanging Out In New York? 936 00:42:14,142 --> 00:42:16,142 Yes, Studio 54. [Chuckles] 937 00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:18,062 -Come Here A Lot? -Oh, God, Yes. 938 00:42:18,062 --> 00:42:20,172 -Why? -Because I Like The Atmosphere Of Studio 54. 939 00:42:20,172 --> 00:42:23,132 I've Been To A Lot Of Discotheques, And I Don't Like Them. 940 00:42:23,132 --> 00:42:24,132 Interviewer: What's The Difference? 941 00:42:24,132 --> 00:42:26,192 Michael: I Don't Know. The Feeling. 942 00:42:26,192 --> 00:42:29,152 I Mean, The Excitement Of The Props Coming Down, And The Balcony, 943 00:42:29,152 --> 00:42:31,152 It's Just Exciting, Honestly. 944 00:42:31,152 --> 00:42:36,142 I'm Certain That His Experience In Going To Studio 54, 945 00:42:36,142 --> 00:42:38,112 During The Filming Of The Wiz, 946 00:42:38,112 --> 00:42:43,162 Played A Big Part In Where He Wanted This Album Played. 947 00:42:43,162 --> 00:42:46,042 And It Doesn't Mean That He Wanted To Make A Disco Record. 948 00:42:46,042 --> 00:42:48,202 He Is A Dancer. He's A Marvelous Dancer. 949 00:42:48,202 --> 00:42:50,252 He's An Influential, Innovative Dancer. 950 00:42:50,252 --> 00:42:53,112 -Interviewer: But Why Do You Dance For Fun? -[Music Playing] 951 00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:56,062 Because You're Just Being Free Then. 952 00:42:56,062 --> 00:42:58,112 -Most Of The Time, It's Set Choreography -[Bell Ringing] 953 00:42:58,112 --> 00:42:59,162 When We're On Stage, 954 00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:01,082 It's Stuff You Have To Do Every Night. 955 00:43:01,082 --> 00:43:02,202 When You Dance Here, You're Just Free, 956 00:43:02,202 --> 00:43:05,042 You Dance With Whoever You Want To. 957 00:43:05,042 --> 00:43:07,072 You Just Go Wild. 958 00:43:07,072 --> 00:43:09,222 Interviewer: What About The Craziness? It Gets Crazy And Wild... 959 00:43:09,222 --> 00:43:12,042 Michael: No, It Doesn't. No. 960 00:43:12,042 --> 00:43:16,112 Not Only Is It Fun To Dance, It's Fun To Look At Other People. 961 00:43:16,112 --> 00:43:18,042 You Walk Around, And You See All Kinds Of Things. 962 00:43:18,042 --> 00:43:21,252 Like, Darth Vader Was Here The Other Night. It Was Incredible. 963 00:43:21,252 --> 00:43:25,162 I'm Sure He Was Making These Observations 964 00:43:25,162 --> 00:43:27,072 Of What Was Going On Around Him. 965 00:43:27,072 --> 00:43:29,122 He Was, Kind Of, Self-Conscious About Himself, 966 00:43:29,122 --> 00:43:30,222 And Kind Of Shy. 967 00:43:30,222 --> 00:43:32,242 So He Wasn't Trying To Be Around All Of The Wildness, 968 00:43:32,242 --> 00:43:34,102 All Of The Freakness, You Know What I'm Saying? 969 00:43:34,102 --> 00:43:37,112 He Would Go In The Dj Booth And Just Watched People, 970 00:43:37,112 --> 00:43:40,232 And Make These Mental Notes, And I'm Sure, Musical Notes, Also. 971 00:43:40,232 --> 00:43:42,202 King: And I Think All Of That Shows Up On Off The Wall, 972 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,252 Because It's Certainly One Of The Most 973 00:43:43,252 --> 00:43:45,162 Sensual Albums He Ever Released. 974 00:43:45,162 --> 00:43:48,132 It Contains A Sort Of Exuberance And Sexuality. 975 00:43:48,132 --> 00:43:50,222 It's Where You Come When You Want To Escape. 976 00:43:50,222 --> 00:43:52,222 It's Really Escapism. 977 00:43:52,222 --> 00:43:55,202 Michael: When We Left Motown, 978 00:43:55,202 --> 00:43:57,102 A Certain Amount Of Albums For The Jacksons, 979 00:43:57,102 --> 00:43:59,182 And A Certain Amount For Me, As A Solo Artist. 980 00:43:59,182 --> 00:44:01,182 He's Coming Out As An Autonomous Figure, 981 00:44:01,182 --> 00:44:04,102 Separate From His Father, Separate From His Brothers, 982 00:44:04,102 --> 00:44:06,132 And Really Establishing Himself As A Solo Act. 983 00:44:06,132 --> 00:44:08,082 [People Talking Indistinctly] 984 00:44:21,142 --> 00:44:25,072 I Mean, There Was Some Speculation. Would Quincy Be The Right Guy? 985 00:44:25,072 --> 00:44:27,092 He's A Jazz Guy, Would He Be... 986 00:44:27,092 --> 00:44:30,142 They Didn't Think That He Could Make A Contemporary Hit Record 987 00:44:30,142 --> 00:44:32,182 That Everybody In The Whole World Would Like. 988 00:44:32,182 --> 00:44:34,102 I Don't Think That It's Possible 989 00:44:34,102 --> 00:44:37,202 To Sit Down And Try To Intellectualize And Theorize 990 00:44:37,202 --> 00:44:39,042 About How You Can Make A Record 991 00:44:39,042 --> 00:44:42,152 That Can Appeal To Many, Many People. 992 00:44:42,152 --> 00:44:43,232 With The People In This Room... 993 00:44:43,232 --> 00:44:45,172 It's Very Difficult To Try To Make A Record 994 00:44:45,172 --> 00:44:46,252 That Everybody In This Room Would Like. 995 00:44:46,252 --> 00:44:49,232 The Label Had Other Ideas About Who He Should Go With. 996 00:44:49,232 --> 00:44:52,062 They Wanted Maurice White, He Was One Of The People, 997 00:44:52,062 --> 00:44:54,252 And They Also Wanted Gamble And Huff To Work With Him. 998 00:44:54,252 --> 00:44:57,202 Michael Came Back All Teary-Eyed One Day And Said, 999 00:44:57,202 --> 00:45:01,052 "The People At Epic Don't Want To Use You. 1000 00:45:01,052 --> 00:45:03,262 "They Said You're Too Jazzy, You Don't Understand This Kind Of Music." 1001 00:45:03,262 --> 00:45:05,082 But They Don't Know. 1002 00:45:05,082 --> 00:45:06,182 These Guys, They Don't Know. 1003 00:45:06,182 --> 00:45:09,222 They're A&R Men, They Don't Know. 1004 00:45:09,222 --> 00:45:11,252 Thank God He Went Back, 1005 00:45:11,252 --> 00:45:15,112 With Freddy Demann And Ron Weisner, 1006 00:45:15,112 --> 00:45:17,092 And They Fought, And They Said, "He's Doing It." 1007 00:45:17,092 --> 00:45:19,142 Quincy Called Me One Day And Said, 1008 00:45:19,142 --> 00:45:23,082 "We're Going To Do Michael Jackson's Album, 1009 00:45:23,082 --> 00:45:25,092 "His First Solo Album." 1010 00:45:25,092 --> 00:45:29,162 And I Thought To Myself, "Holy Cow, I Better Get Serious." 1011 00:45:29,162 --> 00:45:33,152 'Cause I Don't Get Those Kind Of Calls Very Often. 1012 00:45:33,152 --> 00:45:36,042 When You Discover Off The Wall For The First Time, 1013 00:45:36,042 --> 00:45:37,272 Forget All The Music For A Second, 1014 00:45:37,272 --> 00:45:41,082 Let's Just Talk About The Sonics, The Sound Of It. 1015 00:45:41,082 --> 00:45:43,172 The Sonic Of That Album Stands Up 1016 00:45:43,172 --> 00:45:46,102 Against Any Album Right Now. Period. 1017 00:45:46,102 --> 00:45:48,062 Because It's Raw. 1018 00:45:48,062 --> 00:45:52,072 It Was Before Drum Machines, Before Heavy Computer Programing. 1019 00:45:52,072 --> 00:45:56,042 Making An Album Is Totally Different Today Than What It Was. 1020 00:45:56,042 --> 00:45:58,062 Because When We Made Those Albums, Back In The Day, 1021 00:45:58,062 --> 00:46:00,062 We Had Live Musicians, Live Drummer. 1022 00:46:00,062 --> 00:46:02,212 That Way, You Get Magic. You Get A Little Bit Of Magic, 1023 00:46:02,212 --> 00:46:05,232 And If Somebody's Playing Just A Little Bit Under Or Something Like That, 1024 00:46:05,232 --> 00:46:07,222 That's All Part Of Making A Record Breathe. 1025 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:09,162 That's The Pulse. 1026 00:46:09,162 --> 00:46:11,102 -Yeah, It's The Pulse. -Mmm-Hmm. 1027 00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:12,212 But Today, Everything Is Right On. 1028 00:46:12,212 --> 00:46:14,122 -Today... -'Cause They Quantize Every Damn Thing. 1029 00:46:14,122 --> 00:46:15,262 -Everything Is Right On Today. -[Laughs] 1030 00:46:15,262 --> 00:46:18,202 These Were, Like, Living, Breathing Recordings 1031 00:46:18,202 --> 00:46:21,112 That Were For The Dance Floor. 1032 00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:23,072 Machines Are Great, 1033 00:46:23,072 --> 00:46:26,112 But Incredible Musicians, I Feel Like, Will Beat It Everytime. 1034 00:46:26,112 --> 00:46:29,122 I'm Always Telling Engineers, Like, "You Better Study And Listen. 1035 00:46:29,122 --> 00:46:31,252 "If They Were Able To Accomplish That Type 1036 00:46:31,252 --> 00:46:34,252 "Of Fullness And That Type Of Sound, 1037 00:46:34,252 --> 00:46:36,082 "They Were Able To Do That Then, You Better 1038 00:46:36,082 --> 00:46:37,272 "Be Able To Do Something Great Now, 1039 00:46:37,272 --> 00:46:39,142 -"Or You're Fired." -[Interviewer Chuckles] 1040 00:46:39,142 --> 00:46:42,052 What Quincy Has, Is An Extraordinary History. 1041 00:46:42,052 --> 00:46:43,262 He's Leading The Band Behind Count Basie. 1042 00:46:43,262 --> 00:46:45,142 Jones: Working With Frank Sinatra... 1043 00:46:45,142 --> 00:46:47,062 Harry Weinger: Sammy Davis Jr.... 1044 00:46:47,062 --> 00:46:47,242 -Pawnbroker. -Jones: In The Heat Of The Night, 1045 00:46:47,242 --> 00:46:49,102 Sanford And Son... 1046 00:46:49,102 --> 00:46:51,232 He Studied In France Under A Great Orchestration. 1047 00:46:51,232 --> 00:46:55,222 Nadia Boulanger, Who Taught Ravel. 1048 00:46:55,222 --> 00:46:57,262 Michael: He's Unlimited Musically, He Can... 1049 00:46:57,262 --> 00:47:00,062 God, You Want Anything, He Can Do It. 1050 00:47:00,062 --> 00:47:05,182 Jazz, Folk, Pop, Classical, Soul, Gospel, Anything. 1051 00:47:05,182 --> 00:47:09,112 Michael Wrote Three Songs On The Off The Wall Album, 1052 00:47:09,112 --> 00:47:10,262 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, 1053 00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:13,212 Workin' Day And Night, And Get On The Floor. 1054 00:47:13,212 --> 00:47:15,272 He Wanted The Freedom To Develop As An Artist, 1055 00:47:15,272 --> 00:47:18,262 And Writing These Three Songs Was Very Important To Him. 1056 00:47:18,262 --> 00:47:20,202 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1057 00:47:20,202 --> 00:47:22,262 ♪ Keep On With Your Heart, Don't Stop ♪ 1058 00:47:22,262 --> 00:47:24,142 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1059 00:47:24,142 --> 00:47:26,202 ♪ Keep On With Your Heart, Don't Stop ♪ 1060 00:47:26,202 --> 00:47:27,222 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1061 00:47:27,222 --> 00:47:30,072 The Demos Are Kind Of A Revelation, 1062 00:47:30,072 --> 00:47:35,152 In That They Really Illuminate Michael's Abilities As A Songwriter, 1063 00:47:35,152 --> 00:47:38,102 And Show How Developed His Songs Were 1064 00:47:38,102 --> 00:47:40,112 When He Brought Them To Quincy Jones. 1065 00:47:40,112 --> 00:47:43,262 You Really See Michael's Rhythmic Sophistication. 1066 00:47:43,262 --> 00:47:47,062 [Mimicking Instruments] [Snapping Fingers] 1067 00:47:47,062 --> 00:47:48,072 That's What Did It. 1068 00:47:48,072 --> 00:47:50,262 [Mimicking Instruments] 1069 00:47:50,262 --> 00:47:53,152 That's The Phrase That Pays. That's The Hook Right There. 1070 00:47:53,152 --> 00:47:55,122 Michael Ain't Got To Say A Word Yet. 1071 00:47:55,122 --> 00:47:57,182 They Could Play That Baseline, 1072 00:47:57,182 --> 00:48:01,222 And They Could Run It Non-Stop, And We're Good. 1073 00:48:01,222 --> 00:48:04,112 The Opening Bars Of That Record Is Just Like, 1074 00:48:04,112 --> 00:48:06,172 You Could Be Playing The Worst Set Of Your Life, 1075 00:48:06,172 --> 00:48:08,202 Or You're At A Wedding, Or You're At A Club, It Doesn't Matter, 1076 00:48:08,202 --> 00:48:10,172 And You Just First... [Mimicking Instruments] 1077 00:48:10,172 --> 00:48:12,042 It's Just Like... Ow! 1078 00:48:12,042 --> 00:48:14,272 You, Kind Of, Get This Little Tick, You Know, That's Going On, 1079 00:48:14,272 --> 00:48:17,132 Anybody You're Around, You Know, They're Just Down For It. 1080 00:48:17,132 --> 00:48:20,232 -Even The Guy That's Trying To Be Hard, Like... -[Interviewer Laughing] 1081 00:48:20,232 --> 00:48:22,182 You Know, You're Just In There. 1082 00:48:23,232 --> 00:48:25,102 ♪ You Know, I Was ♪ 1083 00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:26,202 ♪ I Was Wondering, You Know ♪ 1084 00:48:26,202 --> 00:48:28,192 ♪ If You Could Keep On ♪ 1085 00:48:28,192 --> 00:48:30,272 ♪ Because The Force ♪ 1086 00:48:30,272 --> 00:48:32,082 ♪ It's Got A Lot Of Power ♪ 1087 00:48:32,082 --> 00:48:35,202 ♪ And It Make Me Feel Like Ah ♪ 1088 00:48:35,202 --> 00:48:37,112 ♪ It Make Me Feel Like ♪ 1089 00:48:37,112 --> 00:48:38,162 ♪ Oooh! ♪ 1090 00:48:46,242 --> 00:48:52,212 ♪ Lovely, Is The Feelin' Now ♪ 1091 00:48:54,232 --> 00:49:00,212 ♪ Fever, Temperature's Risin' Now ♪ 1092 00:49:02,192 --> 00:49:06,172 -♪ Power ♪ -Chorus: ♪ Ah Power ♪ 1093 00:49:06,172 --> 00:49:09,062 ♪ Is The Force The Vow ♪ 1094 00:49:09,252 --> 00:49:14,052 ♪ That Makes It Happen ♪ 1095 00:49:14,052 --> 00:49:17,052 ♪ It Asks No Questions Why ♪ 1096 00:49:17,052 --> 00:49:19,262 It's The Song I Use To Reset My Day. 1097 00:49:19,262 --> 00:49:25,052 It's The Song That I Use When I Need To Be Motivated. 1098 00:49:25,052 --> 00:49:27,122 It's My Absolute Favorite Michael Jackson Song. 1099 00:49:27,122 --> 00:49:29,052 These Are My Own Songs. 1100 00:49:29,052 --> 00:49:32,072 I'm Gonna Communicate My Own Thoughts, My Own Emotions, My Own Ideas, 1101 00:49:32,072 --> 00:49:35,262 My Own Rhythmic Sensibility, 1102 00:49:35,262 --> 00:49:39,082 Vocal Trademarks, I Mean You Hear A Lot Of That In These Songs, 1103 00:49:39,082 --> 00:49:43,082 Completely Uninhibited, You Just Feel His Energy Coming Through, 1104 00:49:43,082 --> 00:49:45,052 Because You Feel That Freedom. 1105 00:49:45,052 --> 00:49:46,182 Oh! 1106 00:49:46,182 --> 00:49:48,262 Man, That's The First Time We Heard That Iconic Yell. 1107 00:49:48,262 --> 00:49:51,072 That's His "Free At Last! Free At Last!" 1108 00:49:51,072 --> 00:49:52,142 Frankie Crocker: I Was In Buffalo With You. 1109 00:49:52,142 --> 00:49:55,102 Fantastic Show. You Darn Near Blinded Me There, Man. 1110 00:49:55,102 --> 00:49:57,062 That Thing Is Dynamite When You Come Up. 1111 00:49:57,062 --> 00:49:58,222 They Have To See That With You Jumping Out Of There. 1112 00:49:58,222 --> 00:50:00,152 Michael: On, Don't Stop. 1113 00:50:00,152 --> 00:50:04,132 -[Screaming] -[Audience Cheering] 1114 00:50:04,132 --> 00:50:07,232 [Audience Whistling] 1115 00:50:10,042 --> 00:50:14,112 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough Had This Opening Groove, Right, 1116 00:50:14,112 --> 00:50:16,052 And The Opening Groove Kind Of Sets You Off. 1117 00:50:16,052 --> 00:50:18,202 If You're A Dancer, You Know, You'll Let That Sink In. 1118 00:50:18,202 --> 00:50:22,262 I Always Use Michael As, First And Foremost, A Vocal Inspiration. 1119 00:50:22,262 --> 00:50:24,102 And Off The Wall Was Definitely The One 1120 00:50:24,102 --> 00:50:26,272 That Made Me Feel Like I Could Sing. 1121 00:50:26,272 --> 00:50:29,122 I Found My Falsetto Because Of Off The Wall, 1122 00:50:29,122 --> 00:50:30,182 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. 1123 00:50:30,182 --> 00:50:35,122 ♪ Lovely, Is The Feelin' Now ♪ 1124 00:50:37,212 --> 00:50:42,262 ♪ Fever, Temperature's Risin' Now ♪ 1125 00:50:42,262 --> 00:50:44,072 Ooh! 1126 00:50:44,232 --> 00:50:47,102 ♪ Power ♪ 1127 00:50:47,272 --> 00:50:50,082 ♪ Is The Force The Vow ♪ 1128 00:50:51,122 --> 00:50:53,222 ♪ That Makes It Happen ♪ 1129 00:50:54,242 --> 00:50:57,132 ♪ It Asks No Questions Why ♪ 1130 00:50:57,132 --> 00:51:00,192 It Had These Bizarre Lyrics. Well, To Me, Bizarre Lyrics 1131 00:51:00,192 --> 00:51:02,162 That Were Quoting Star Wars. 1132 00:51:02,162 --> 00:51:04,112 I Didn't Even Know He Was Saying, 1133 00:51:04,112 --> 00:51:06,132 "Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop." 1134 00:51:06,132 --> 00:51:08,162 I Thought It Was About Forks. 1135 00:51:08,162 --> 00:51:10,202 When I Was A Kid, I Was Just Like, "Keep On With The Forks." 1136 00:51:10,202 --> 00:51:12,102 I Didn't Know What The Forks Were. 1137 00:51:12,102 --> 00:51:13,062 ♪ Ooh ♪ 1138 00:51:14,132 --> 00:51:15,142 [Audience Cheering] 1139 00:51:49,192 --> 00:51:51,172 [Audience Roaring] 1140 00:52:02,052 --> 00:52:03,192 [Michael Yelling] 1141 00:52:16,182 --> 00:52:17,162 [Audience Cheering] 1142 00:52:17,162 --> 00:52:18,182 [Yells] 1143 00:52:21,262 --> 00:52:25,172 I Remember The Video, I Mean, He Just Looked Like A Million Dollars. 1144 00:52:25,172 --> 00:52:28,142 I Think That's Before They Had A Million Dollars To Spend, Too. 1145 00:52:28,142 --> 00:52:32,062 So, It Was Done For Relatively A Small Amount Of Money 1146 00:52:32,062 --> 00:52:35,102 And Yet He Had To Single-Handedly Sell It. 1147 00:52:35,102 --> 00:52:39,122 ♪ There Ain't Nothin' That You Can Do ♪ 1148 00:52:40,232 --> 00:52:45,092 ♪ Relax Your Mind ♪ 1149 00:52:45,092 --> 00:52:48,052 ♪ Lay Back And Groove With Mine ♪ 1150 00:52:48,052 --> 00:52:50,192 ♪ You Got To Feel That Heat ♪ 1151 00:52:50,192 --> 00:52:52,272 ♪ And We Can Ride The Boogie ♪ 1152 00:52:52,272 --> 00:52:56,192 ♪ Share That Beat Of Love ♪ 1153 00:52:56,192 --> 00:52:59,072 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1154 00:52:59,072 --> 00:53:01,112 ♪ All Night ♪ 1155 00:53:01,112 --> 00:53:03,192 ♪ Dance You Into Day ♪ 1156 00:53:03,192 --> 00:53:04,242 ♪ Sunlight ♪ 1157 00:53:04,242 --> 00:53:07,192 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1158 00:53:07,192 --> 00:53:09,152 ♪ All Night ♪ 1159 00:53:09,152 --> 00:53:12,202 ♪ We're Gonna Rock The Night Away ♪ 1160 00:53:12,202 --> 00:53:13,212 ♪ Ooh ♪ 1161 00:53:13,212 --> 00:53:15,122 That Was The Skaters' Anthem. 1162 00:53:15,122 --> 00:53:19,192 There Was This Skate Obsession In The United States In '79, '80 1163 00:53:19,192 --> 00:53:22,212 Where It Was Like, "I'm Gonna Roller-Skate." 1164 00:53:22,212 --> 00:53:26,192 A Good Song To Roller-Skate, It Should Feel Like The Floor To Your Skate. 1165 00:53:26,192 --> 00:53:30,152 It Should Be The Foundation For All Of That Flowing. 1166 00:53:31,102 --> 00:53:33,162 ♪ Just Take It Slow ♪ 1167 00:53:35,082 --> 00:53:38,242 ♪ 'Cause We Got So Far To Go ♪ 1168 00:53:38,242 --> 00:53:41,062 ♪ When You Feel That Heat ♪ 1169 00:53:41,062 --> 00:53:43,142 ♪ And We're Gonna Ride The Boogie ♪ 1170 00:53:43,142 --> 00:53:46,252 ♪ Share That Beat Of Love ♪ 1171 00:53:46,252 --> 00:53:49,242 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1172 00:53:49,242 --> 00:53:51,272 ♪ All Night ♪ 1173 00:53:51,272 --> 00:53:53,242 ♪ Dance You Into Day ♪ 1174 00:53:53,242 --> 00:53:55,172 ♪ Sunlight ♪ 1175 00:53:55,172 --> 00:53:58,042 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1176 00:53:58,042 --> 00:53:59,242 ♪ All Night ♪ 1177 00:53:59,242 --> 00:54:03,212 ♪ We're Gonna Rock The Night Away ♪ 1178 00:54:03,212 --> 00:54:06,122 Rock With You Seemed Like There Was Symbolism Behind The Video. 1179 00:54:06,122 --> 00:54:09,132 They Had, Like, The Halo Around The Angels. 1180 00:54:09,132 --> 00:54:11,202 The Shiny Suit, I Mean, He Made That Look Cool. 1181 00:54:11,202 --> 00:54:13,142 I Can Never Pull That Off, But... 1182 00:54:13,142 --> 00:54:16,132 I Can Listen To Rock With You, 1183 00:54:16,132 --> 00:54:19,242 And Know Where I Was The First Time I Heard It, At Pegasus. 1184 00:54:19,242 --> 00:54:24,132 When That Song Came On, People Just Stopped In The Club. 1185 00:54:24,272 --> 00:54:28,112 They Just Froze. 1186 00:54:28,112 --> 00:54:32,092 You Know, And Then Slowly, One By One, They Got On The Dance Floor. 1187 00:54:32,092 --> 00:54:33,272 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1188 00:54:33,272 --> 00:54:35,202 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1189 00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:40,172 -♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ -Chorus: ♪ All Night ♪ 1190 00:54:40,172 --> 00:54:43,092 ♪ Girl, When You Dance ♪ 1191 00:54:43,092 --> 00:54:45,092 ♪ Rock With You Rock With You ♪ 1192 00:54:45,092 --> 00:54:48,272 ♪ We're Gonna Rock The Night Away ♪ 1193 00:54:50,072 --> 00:54:52,222 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1194 00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,232 ♪ All Night ♪ 1195 00:54:54,232 --> 00:54:56,252 ♪ Dance You Into Day ♪ 1196 00:54:56,252 --> 00:54:58,062 ♪ Sunlight ♪ 1197 00:54:58,062 --> 00:55:00,182 ♪ I Wanna Rock With You ♪ 1198 00:55:00,182 --> 00:55:02,142 -♪ All Night ♪ -♪ Yes ♪ 1199 00:55:02,142 --> 00:55:04,172 -♪ All Night ♪ -♪ Rock The Night Away ♪ 1200 00:55:04,172 --> 00:55:06,262 ♪ Feel The Heat ♪ 1201 00:55:06,262 --> 00:55:08,242 -♪ Feel The Beat ♪ -♪ All Night ♪ 1202 00:55:08,242 --> 00:55:10,102 [Yells] 1203 00:55:10,102 --> 00:55:13,152 -♪ Rock You Into Day ♪ -♪ Sunlight ♪ 1204 00:55:13,152 --> 00:55:15,232 ♪ I Wanna Rock ♪ 1205 00:55:15,232 --> 00:55:17,252 ♪ All Night ♪ 1206 00:55:17,252 --> 00:55:19,222 ♪ Rock The Night Away ♪ 1207 00:55:19,222 --> 00:55:21,212 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1208 00:55:21,212 --> 00:55:25,162 -♪ I Wanna Rock You Rock You, Rock You ♪ -♪ All Night ♪ 1209 00:55:25,162 --> 00:55:29,072 -♪ I Wanna Rock You Rock You, Rock You ♪ -♪ Sunlight ♪ 1210 00:55:29,072 --> 00:55:32,142 -♪ I Wanna Rock You Rock You, Rock You ♪ -♪ All Night ♪ 1211 00:55:32,142 --> 00:55:34,112 -♪ Yeah ♪ -♪ All Night ♪ 1212 00:55:35,242 --> 00:55:37,262 ♪ I Wanna Rock You ♪ 1213 00:55:39,242 --> 00:55:41,242 ♪ With You Girl ♪ 1214 00:55:41,242 --> 00:55:44,252 ♪ Rock With Me Till Morning ♪ 1215 00:55:44,252 --> 00:55:46,162 [Vocalizing] 1216 00:55:47,272 --> 00:55:50,092 It's Up-Tempo, But It's Smooth. 1217 00:55:50,092 --> 00:55:51,142 [Snapping Fingers] 1218 00:55:51,142 --> 00:55:54,072 That's Fast. That's Fast. 1219 00:55:54,072 --> 00:55:56,272 It's Hard To Make Up-Tempo Music. 1220 00:55:56,272 --> 00:56:00,202 When You Can Dance, Be Emotional At The Same Time. 1221 00:56:00,202 --> 00:56:03,072 Simpson: Most People Just Get Into A Groove, So You Don't... 1222 00:56:03,072 --> 00:56:05,212 Most Of The Times You Don't Get That Much Of A Real Song. 1223 00:56:05,212 --> 00:56:10,042 So They Don't Stand Up As Well As A Good Storytelling Ballad. 1224 00:56:10,042 --> 00:56:11,222 Through The Years You Want Stuff 1225 00:56:11,222 --> 00:56:13,252 That's Gonna Have Legs, That's Gonna Hold On, 1226 00:56:13,252 --> 00:56:16,142 And His Up-Tempo Really Does Hold On 1227 00:56:16,142 --> 00:56:19,052 Because He Really Crafted 1228 00:56:19,052 --> 00:56:21,102 A Real Song On Top Of A Great Groove. 1229 00:56:21,102 --> 00:56:25,052 I Loop That Breathing Exercise On Workin' Day And Night, 1230 00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:29,232 I Loop That For At Least A Minute Before I Let That Song Go. 1231 00:56:29,232 --> 00:56:31,182 I Just Hold People At Bay, 1232 00:56:31,182 --> 00:56:35,112 Like, I'm Holding Back, Like, 12 Pit Bulls. 1233 00:56:35,112 --> 00:56:36,272 You Know What's Going... Ah! Get 'Em! 1234 00:56:36,272 --> 00:56:39,062 -[Michael Yells] -[Upbeat Music Playing] 1235 00:56:47,252 --> 00:56:51,242 I'm Embarrassed To Even Say This, But I Used To Dance By Myself. 1236 00:56:51,242 --> 00:56:52,252 [Lee Daniels Laughing] 1237 00:56:54,072 --> 00:56:55,132 To That Song. 1238 00:56:58,272 --> 00:57:02,052 [Vocalizing] 1239 00:57:07,092 --> 00:57:08,102 [Yells] 1240 00:57:11,262 --> 00:57:14,092 ♪ Ooh My Honey ♪ 1241 00:57:14,092 --> 00:57:16,172 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1242 00:57:18,172 --> 00:57:21,042 ♪ Ooh My Sugar ♪ 1243 00:57:21,042 --> 00:57:22,172 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1244 00:57:25,102 --> 00:57:27,212 ♪ Scratch My Shoulder ♪ 1245 00:57:27,212 --> 00:57:29,212 ♪ It's Aching, Make It Feel Alright ♪ 1246 00:57:31,232 --> 00:57:34,132 ♪ When This Is Over ♪ 1247 00:57:34,132 --> 00:57:36,192 ♪ Lovin' You Will Be So Right ♪ 1248 00:57:38,182 --> 00:57:41,072 ♪ I Often Wonder ♪ 1249 00:57:41,072 --> 00:57:43,102 ♪ If Lovin' You Will Be Tonight ♪ 1250 00:57:43,272 --> 00:57:45,112 ♪ Well ♪ 1251 00:57:45,112 --> 00:57:48,142 ♪ But What Is Love Girl ♪ 1252 00:57:48,142 --> 00:57:50,072 ♪ If I'm Always Out Of Sight ♪ 1253 00:57:50,072 --> 00:57:51,102 [Yells] 1254 00:57:52,182 --> 00:57:56,102 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1255 00:57:56,102 --> 00:57:57,162 ♪ And I'll Be Workin' ♪ 1256 00:57:57,162 --> 00:57:59,142 ♪ From Sun Up To Midnight ♪ 1257 00:57:59,142 --> 00:58:00,252 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1258 00:58:00,252 --> 00:58:03,062 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1259 00:58:03,062 --> 00:58:06,102 You Could Tell Where He Was Rhythmically 1260 00:58:06,102 --> 00:58:07,242 Just By The Ones He Was Writing. 1261 00:58:07,242 --> 00:58:10,242 Really Catchy, Rhythmic Dance Songs. 1262 00:58:12,042 --> 00:58:13,062 ♪ Oh-Ah ♪ 1263 00:58:13,062 --> 00:58:15,142 Michael's Reference Is Certainly 1264 00:58:15,142 --> 00:58:17,062 American R&B And Soul And Funk. 1265 00:58:17,062 --> 00:58:18,262 But I Also Hear Africa In There. 1266 00:58:18,262 --> 00:58:22,242 And You Have To Also Remember The Jackson 5 Toured Africa In The '70s. 1267 00:58:22,242 --> 00:58:24,262 [Yells] 1268 00:58:24,262 --> 00:58:28,132 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1269 00:58:28,132 --> 00:58:29,262 Everybody! 1270 00:58:29,262 --> 00:58:31,172 ♪ From Sun Up To Midnight ♪ 1271 00:58:31,172 --> 00:58:33,242 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1272 00:58:33,242 --> 00:58:34,272 ♪ Oh, No ♪ 1273 00:58:34,272 --> 00:58:36,262 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1274 00:58:36,262 --> 00:58:38,162 ♪ I Am So Tired Tired Now ♪ 1275 00:58:38,162 --> 00:58:40,152 ♪ You Got Me Workin' Workin' Day And Night ♪ 1276 00:58:40,152 --> 00:58:41,152 ♪ Oh, Ah ♪ 1277 00:58:41,152 --> 00:58:44,182 It's Crazy, The Line. [Mimicking Beats] 1278 00:58:44,182 --> 00:58:48,092 That Was Just The High-Water Mark Of Horn Lines, To Me. 1279 00:59:03,262 --> 00:59:07,082 There's All These Instrumental Stretches And Breaks In These Songs 1280 00:59:07,082 --> 00:59:09,132 That Give The Musicians Some Shine, Too. 1281 00:59:09,132 --> 00:59:11,242 -David Had This ... David Williams... -Certain Sound. 1282 00:59:11,242 --> 00:59:13,192 -Had This Certain Sound... -That Bites. 1283 00:59:13,192 --> 00:59:15,152 He Picked... He Hit 'Em So Hard. 1284 00:59:15,152 --> 00:59:18,212 Okay, David! You Got It! 1285 01:00:01,052 --> 01:00:02,212 Sometimes He'd Take It Upon Himself 1286 01:00:02,212 --> 01:00:05,072 To Bring The Rhythm That He Wanted And That Really Influenced Me. 1287 01:00:05,072 --> 01:00:07,092 He Always Had An Idea Of What He Wanted 1288 01:00:07,092 --> 01:00:08,272 Every Instrument To Sound Like. 1289 01:00:08,272 --> 01:00:10,252 And That's How He Recorded. 1290 01:00:10,252 --> 01:00:13,252 You Came In The Studio And He Told The Guitar Player... 1291 01:00:13,252 --> 01:00:16,122 [Imitates Beat] 1292 01:00:16,122 --> 01:00:19,142 -Man: He Would Sing The Part? -He Would Sing Every Part. 1293 01:00:21,242 --> 01:00:24,222 He Didn't Play It, But He Can Sing It. 1294 01:00:24,222 --> 01:00:26,262 And If You Didn't Play It Like He Sang It, 1295 01:00:26,262 --> 01:00:30,072 He Would Sing It Till You Played It Like He Sang It. 1296 01:00:30,072 --> 01:00:31,192 Goddamnit. 1297 01:00:31,192 --> 01:00:34,092 [Michael Reading] 1298 01:00:34,092 --> 01:00:35,222 Michael: I'm Never Satisfied. 1299 01:00:35,222 --> 01:00:37,232 I'll Cut A Track, And Go Back And Back, And, 1300 01:00:37,232 --> 01:00:39,202 "Darn It! I Should've Done This! I Should've..." 1301 01:00:39,202 --> 01:00:41,082 It's Number One On The Charts, 1302 01:00:41,082 --> 01:00:43,092 You're Still Screaming About What You Should've Done. 1303 01:00:43,092 --> 01:00:45,152 It's Evident When You See Somebody's Work. 1304 01:00:45,152 --> 01:00:48,272 You Can See The Details, And If They Actually, Truly Love What They Do, 1305 01:00:48,272 --> 01:00:50,262 If They Really Do Pay Attention To The Craft. 1306 01:00:50,262 --> 01:00:52,182 Perfection Was The Name Of The Game. 1307 01:00:52,182 --> 01:00:56,042 It Was About The Content Of What You Do, 1308 01:00:56,042 --> 01:00:59,222 The Quality, The Heart, The Soul, The Love. 1309 01:00:59,222 --> 01:01:01,172 I Think This Generation Has Just Become... 1310 01:01:01,172 --> 01:01:03,062 The Perception's Become Skewed. 1311 01:01:03,062 --> 01:01:06,082 The Love For The Craft Becomes Secondary 1312 01:01:06,082 --> 01:01:09,062 To The Love Of Fame And Notoriety. 1313 01:01:09,062 --> 01:01:11,192 My Generation, The Jordan Generation, 1314 01:01:11,192 --> 01:01:14,252 Bird, Magic, You Know, Michael Jackson, 1315 01:01:14,252 --> 01:01:17,242 They Focused On What They Loved To Do. 1316 01:01:17,242 --> 01:01:21,082 One Of The Hidden Gems Is Get On The Floor, 1317 01:01:21,082 --> 01:01:25,062 Which Was Co-Penned By Louis Johnson From Brothers Johnson, 1318 01:01:25,062 --> 01:01:26,272 And Co-Written With Michael. 1319 01:01:26,272 --> 01:01:29,232 I Don't Know If Everybody Knows This, But You're Also A Composer. 1320 01:01:29,232 --> 01:01:33,092 One Of My Favorites Was Michael Jackson's Get On The Floor And Dance. 1321 01:01:33,092 --> 01:01:37,052 Originally, That Song Was Created By The Bass, I Just Had That Groove. 1322 01:01:46,162 --> 01:01:51,152 ♪ Ah, On The Floor And Dance ♪ 1323 01:01:53,152 --> 01:01:56,132 ♪ So Get On The Floor ♪ 1324 01:01:58,202 --> 01:02:00,242 Rosie: There Were Teens In The Playgrounds. 1325 01:02:00,242 --> 01:02:03,202 And You Know, Like, I'm Dating Myself, Okay. 1326 01:02:03,202 --> 01:02:05,262 But, You Know, You Would Bring The Little Radio, 1327 01:02:05,262 --> 01:02:08,122 Or Sometimes, If You Were Really Tacky, 1328 01:02:08,122 --> 01:02:11,052 You Would Bring The Little Portable Record Player, 1329 01:02:11,052 --> 01:02:14,082 Plop It Down In The Park, Drop The Needle, 1330 01:02:14,082 --> 01:02:15,202 "Heck, Yeah." 1331 01:02:15,202 --> 01:02:18,272 If You Were Dancing To That Song, 1332 01:02:18,272 --> 01:02:21,132 More Than Likely You Were Going Home With Somebody. 1333 01:02:21,132 --> 01:02:24,212 Because That's Not A Song You Dance On Your Own To, You Know. 1334 01:02:24,212 --> 01:02:27,202 You Don't Dance To Get On The Floor By Yourself. 1335 01:02:27,202 --> 01:02:29,262 ♪ Dance Across The Floor ♪ 1336 01:02:32,042 --> 01:02:34,182 ♪ 'Cause There's A Chance For Chances ♪ 1337 01:02:34,182 --> 01:02:36,042 ♪ And The Chance Is Choosin' ♪ 1338 01:02:36,042 --> 01:02:39,212 ♪ And I Sure Would Like Just To Groove With You ♪ 1339 01:02:39,212 --> 01:02:42,052 ♪ So, Get On The Floor ♪ 1340 01:02:44,082 --> 01:02:46,172 ♪ And Dance With Me ♪ 1341 01:02:46,172 --> 01:02:49,272 Off The Wall Is A Dj's Dream. 1342 01:02:49,272 --> 01:02:54,092 The A-Side Seems To Have Been Tailor-Made For The Dance Floor. 1343 01:02:54,092 --> 01:02:56,092 Questlove: You Basically Have Five Songs, 1344 01:02:56,092 --> 01:02:59,082 The First Four Songs On Side One, 1345 01:02:59,082 --> 01:03:02,082 And The First Song On Side Two, Off The Wall. 1346 01:03:02,082 --> 01:03:05,042 My Favorite Record On Off The Wall... 1347 01:03:05,042 --> 01:03:08,152 I Like Off The Wall, That's One Of My Favorite Records. 1348 01:03:08,152 --> 01:03:14,092 I Took A Chance With A Composer, I Had Loved His Work For A Long Time. 1349 01:03:14,092 --> 01:03:17,192 And I Could Never Figure Out How He Could Be From Grimsby, England, 1350 01:03:17,192 --> 01:03:21,132 Living In Worms, Germany, And Understand Ain't No Half Steppin' 1351 01:03:21,132 --> 01:03:24,062 And, You Know, All Of Those Different Terms That He Was Writing. 1352 01:03:24,062 --> 01:03:25,272 It Was Just Incredible Talent. 1353 01:03:25,272 --> 01:03:28,072 He Ended Up In Germany And Being Turned Onto Soul Music 1354 01:03:28,072 --> 01:03:30,222 By A Bunch Of The Black Army People That Were There. 1355 01:03:30,222 --> 01:03:32,182 -Man: Black American Soldiers? -Black American Soldiers. 1356 01:03:32,182 --> 01:03:35,182 And Going, "Wow, This Is A Lot More Interesting Than What I'm Doing, 1357 01:03:35,182 --> 01:03:37,102 "And Girls Come To These Shows." 1358 01:03:37,102 --> 01:03:40,122 In Early Heatwave, You Can Hear 1359 01:03:40,122 --> 01:03:42,222 Those Influences In Songs He Wrote For Michael. 1360 01:03:42,222 --> 01:03:45,042 I Mean, It's Just A Natural Progression. 1361 01:03:45,042 --> 01:03:48,062 And We Recorded Burn This Disco Out, 1362 01:03:48,062 --> 01:03:51,092 Off The Wall And Rock With You. 1363 01:03:51,092 --> 01:03:52,242 Wow. [Chuckles] 1364 01:03:53,182 --> 01:03:55,182 Rod Temperton Did Good. 1365 01:03:55,182 --> 01:04:02,242 Off The Wall Is An Example Of Him Bringing That Slightly Proggy-Fusion Aspect To It. 1366 01:04:02,242 --> 01:04:04,272 It's A Really Unconventional Start For A Disco Record, 1367 01:04:04,272 --> 01:04:08,042 Especially, Like, The Title Track Of An Album. 1368 01:04:08,042 --> 01:04:10,062 It Starts On The Off-Beat, It Starts On The Two, 1369 01:04:10,062 --> 01:04:13,272 It Has That Weird Vocal Thing In The Background, It's Totally Proggy. 1370 01:04:13,272 --> 01:04:16,102 That Intro With That Kind Of Ghoulish Voices, 1371 01:04:16,102 --> 01:04:20,082 You Start To Hear That Again, Of Course, On Thriller, With Vincent Price. 1372 01:04:20,082 --> 01:04:22,052 [Music Playing] 1373 01:04:26,272 --> 01:04:30,142 ♪ When The World Is On Your Shoulder ♪ 1374 01:04:30,142 --> 01:04:34,102 ♪ Gotta Straighten Up Your Act And Boogie Down ♪ 1375 01:04:34,102 --> 01:04:36,082 ♪ If You Can't Hang With The Feeling ♪ 1376 01:04:37,262 --> 01:04:41,162 ♪ Then There Ain't No Room For You This Part Of Town ♪ 1377 01:04:41,162 --> 01:04:45,092 ♪ 'Cause We're The Party People Night And Day ♪ 1378 01:04:45,092 --> 01:04:48,082 ♪ Livin' Crazy That's The Only Way ♪ 1379 01:04:48,082 --> 01:04:50,042 ♪ So Tonight ♪ 1380 01:04:51,052 --> 01:04:53,182 ♪ Gotta Leave That 9 To 5 Upon The Shelf ♪ 1381 01:04:53,182 --> 01:04:56,062 ♪ And Just Enjoy Yourself ♪ 1382 01:04:56,062 --> 01:04:57,162 ♪ Groove ♪ 1383 01:04:57,162 --> 01:05:00,182 ♪ Let The Madness In The Music Get To You ♪ 1384 01:05:00,182 --> 01:05:03,262 ♪ Life Ain't So Bad At All ♪ 1385 01:05:03,262 --> 01:05:07,122 -♪ Live It Off The Wall ♪ -♪ Live Life Off The Wall ♪ 1386 01:05:09,042 --> 01:05:10,262 ♪ Live It Off The Wall ♪ 1387 01:05:12,082 --> 01:05:15,172 ♪ Do What You Want To Do ♪ 1388 01:05:15,172 --> 01:05:18,162 ♪ There Ain't No Rules It's Up To You ♪ 1389 01:05:19,222 --> 01:05:22,252 ♪ It's Time To Come Alive ♪ 1390 01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:26,062 ♪ And Party On Right Through The Night ♪ 1391 01:05:30,222 --> 01:05:35,122 Girlfriend Was A Song On The London Town Album By Paul Mccartney. 1392 01:05:35,122 --> 01:05:39,132 "Girlfriend, I'm Gonna Tell Your Boyfriend." [Laughs] I Love It! 1393 01:05:39,132 --> 01:05:40,272 ♪ Girlfriend ♪ 1394 01:05:42,212 --> 01:05:45,252 ♪ I'm Gonna Tell Your Boyfriend ♪ 1395 01:05:45,252 --> 01:05:47,172 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1396 01:05:47,172 --> 01:05:50,112 I Felt Like Michael Was Singing To Me On That One, I Did. 1397 01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:54,092 If We Go Out Together, And A Bunch Of Girls Start Following Me, 1398 01:05:54,092 --> 01:05:57,172 Let's Hear What You'd Say To Them To Make Them Go Away. 1399 01:05:57,172 --> 01:06:00,262 Get Away From Him. He's Mine, Not Yours. 1400 01:06:00,262 --> 01:06:02,092 [Laughter] 1401 01:06:06,232 --> 01:06:08,222 Um... 1402 01:06:08,222 --> 01:06:12,052 Same Question, Number Two. 1403 01:06:12,052 --> 01:06:15,142 Yo, Listen, Okay? Michael Jackson Is Mine. 1404 01:06:16,142 --> 01:06:18,082 [Laughs] 1405 01:06:20,142 --> 01:06:24,092 Some Of The Songs That I Sing, My Favorite Is Ballads. 1406 01:06:24,092 --> 01:06:28,102 I Kinda Listen To The Words, And It's Really Relating Something. 1407 01:06:28,102 --> 01:06:30,052 Tom Bahler: I Wrote She's Out Of My Life 1408 01:06:30,052 --> 01:06:34,182 As A Result Of Being Very Much In Love With A Wonderful Young Woman. 1409 01:06:34,182 --> 01:06:38,162 You Ever Get So Upset That You're Speaking To Yourself Out Loud? 1410 01:06:38,162 --> 01:06:42,192 Well, I Was. I Was In The Car On The Pasadena Freeway, And I'm Saying, 1411 01:06:42,192 --> 01:06:46,192 "Man, She Was There For You, She Loved You, She Wanted To Marry You. 1412 01:06:46,192 --> 01:06:50,122 "You're The One Who Said No. Face It, She's Out Of Your Life." 1413 01:06:50,122 --> 01:06:52,242 Saturday Morning, The Phone Rings And It's Q, 1414 01:06:52,242 --> 01:06:54,222 And He Says, "Hey, Man, You Been Writing?" 1415 01:06:54,222 --> 01:06:58,112 And I Played The Song, And It's Ringing Out, And He Said, "Play It Again." 1416 01:06:58,112 --> 01:07:01,072 I Played It Again. Played It Eight Times In A Row. 1417 01:07:01,072 --> 01:07:03,112 And At The End Of It, He Said, "What're You Gonna Do With It?" 1418 01:07:03,112 --> 01:07:05,232 And I Said, "Well, I Made A Deal With Snuffy Yesterday. 1419 01:07:05,232 --> 01:07:08,042 "He's Gonna Do It With Sinatra." 1420 01:07:08,042 --> 01:07:12,062 And He Says This Q-Ism, "Sinatra Will Do It Anyway." 1421 01:07:12,062 --> 01:07:14,062 And I Said, "Okay, Q, Who Do You Wanna Do It With?" 1422 01:07:14,062 --> 01:07:15,192 He Said, "I Haven't Got A Clue." 1423 01:07:15,192 --> 01:07:18,052 Then He Said, "Man, If You'll Trust Me, 1424 01:07:18,052 --> 01:07:19,202 "I Promise You 1425 01:07:21,042 --> 01:07:24,082 "An Unforgettable Recording Of This Song." 1426 01:07:25,272 --> 01:07:28,142 And We Sat On It For Almost Two Years, Spike. 1427 01:07:28,142 --> 01:07:32,092 To Write A Great Ballad, First Of All, Lyrically, The Content Has To Connect. 1428 01:07:32,092 --> 01:07:36,082 And, To Me, Part Of What Makes A Song Connect 1429 01:07:36,082 --> 01:07:41,042 Is That It's Personal, But It's Also Universal. 1430 01:07:41,042 --> 01:07:45,092 Michael Jackson, Yes, He's A Great Entertainer, He Was A Great Dancer, 1431 01:07:45,092 --> 01:07:47,242 But He Was Also A Great Singer. 1432 01:07:47,242 --> 01:07:50,062 Not A Good Singer, But A Great Singer. 1433 01:07:50,062 --> 01:07:53,052 I Liked His Performance On She's Out Of My Life. 1434 01:07:54,202 --> 01:07:55,242 It Was Really Emotional. 1435 01:07:55,242 --> 01:07:59,162 The Quality Of Michael's Voice 1436 01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:03,262 Was So Incredibly Pure. 1437 01:08:03,262 --> 01:08:07,202 ♪ She's Out Of My Life ♪ 1438 01:08:11,172 --> 01:08:16,052 ♪ She's Out Of My Life ♪ 1439 01:08:18,112 --> 01:08:24,152 ♪ And I Don't Know Whether To Laugh Or Cry ♪ 1440 01:08:26,082 --> 01:08:31,062 ♪ I Don't Know Whether To Live Or Die ♪ 1441 01:08:32,062 --> 01:08:36,072 ♪ And It Cuts Like A Knife ♪ 1442 01:08:37,202 --> 01:08:43,082 ♪ She's Out Of My Life ♪ 1443 01:08:43,082 --> 01:08:47,042 I Cried Every Time That He Performed She's Out Of My Life, 1444 01:08:47,042 --> 01:08:48,252 And He Would Cry, Too. [Chuckles] 1445 01:08:48,252 --> 01:08:51,212 Everyone Relates She's Out Of My Life To Eddie Murphy, Right? 1446 01:08:51,212 --> 01:08:55,092 Anyone Who Was Growing Up In The '80s, We Saw Delirious First. 1447 01:08:55,092 --> 01:08:57,212 That's Michael's Hook, His Sensitivity. 1448 01:08:57,212 --> 01:09:01,162 That's When Women Be Saying, "Michael's Just So Sensitive." 1449 01:09:01,162 --> 01:09:03,272 And They Eat That Shit Up. Mike Knows. He Be Using Women. 1450 01:09:03,272 --> 01:09:06,242 In Concerts, I Seen Mike Walk Up To Girls, They'd Be In The Audience, And Say... 1451 01:09:06,242 --> 01:09:08,122 Can I Come Down There? 1452 01:09:09,112 --> 01:09:11,082 And Women Go... [Screams] 1453 01:09:13,242 --> 01:09:18,222 Then, If You Don't Scream, Michael Get Real Sensitive And Cry On Your Ass. 1454 01:09:18,222 --> 01:09:21,192 Ever Hear That Record, She's Out Of My Life? Michael Goes... 1455 01:09:21,192 --> 01:09:26,102 ♪ So I've Learned That Love's Not Possession ♪ 1456 01:09:28,102 --> 01:09:33,072 ♪ And I've Learned That Love Won't Wait ♪ 1457 01:09:34,232 --> 01:09:40,242 ♪ Now I've Learned That Love Needs Expression ♪ 1458 01:09:40,242 --> 01:09:46,122 ♪ But I Learned Too Late ♪ 1459 01:09:47,122 --> 01:09:52,192 ♪ And She's Out Of My Life ♪ 1460 01:09:57,232 --> 01:10:02,232 ♪ She's Out Of My Life ♪ 1461 01:10:04,272 --> 01:10:11,132 ♪ Damned Indecision And Cursed Pride ♪ 1462 01:10:13,082 --> 01:10:19,102 ♪ Kept My Love For Her Locked Deep Inside ♪ 1463 01:10:19,102 --> 01:10:23,182 ♪ And It Cuts Like A Knife ♪ 1464 01:10:25,262 --> 01:10:30,062 ♪ She's Out Of My... ♪ 1465 01:10:32,112 --> 01:10:34,102 [Audience Cheering] 1466 01:10:43,142 --> 01:10:45,122 [Cheering Continues] 1467 01:10:54,122 --> 01:10:57,132 ♪ Life ♪ 1468 01:11:11,072 --> 01:11:13,212 -[Audience Applauding] -[Imitates Michael Crying] 1469 01:11:31,072 --> 01:11:33,212 -Tito, Give Me Some Tissue. -[Audience Cheering] 1470 01:11:33,212 --> 01:11:35,152 And I Had An Opportunity To Listen To The Stems, 1471 01:11:35,152 --> 01:11:37,202 Where He's Trying Different Takes. 1472 01:11:37,202 --> 01:11:41,082 And He Actually Apologizes For Messing The Song Up. 1473 01:11:43,252 --> 01:11:45,182 I'm Sorry, I Messed It Up. 1474 01:11:45,182 --> 01:11:47,222 It Was Amazing, 'Cause Every Time He Sang It, He Cried, 1475 01:11:47,222 --> 01:11:50,132 And I Was Trying To Figure Out What Relationship He Had, You Know, 1476 01:11:50,132 --> 01:11:52,052 That He Could Identify With That Song. 1477 01:11:52,052 --> 01:11:53,262 He Did It Two Or Three Times. 1478 01:11:53,262 --> 01:11:56,062 I Said, "That's The Way It's Supposed To Be," And Just Let It Stay In There. 1479 01:11:56,062 --> 01:11:59,062 A Lesser Producer Would've Milked It For All Its Worth, 1480 01:11:59,062 --> 01:12:02,222 Would've Milked All That Drama For All Its Worth. 1481 01:12:02,222 --> 01:12:06,272 Trust Me, If Puffy Would've Produced She's Out Of My Life, 1482 01:12:06,272 --> 01:12:08,192 Puffy Would've Had The Whole... 1483 01:12:08,192 --> 01:12:12,252 He Would've Had Kleenex, Like, Sponsor The Tour. [Laughing] 1484 01:12:12,252 --> 01:12:16,072 You Had People Talking About, "Well, What Was He Crying About? 1485 01:12:16,072 --> 01:12:19,082 "Who Was He Talking About? Is He Talking About Brooke Shields? 1486 01:12:19,082 --> 01:12:20,222 "What Girl Is He Talking About? 1487 01:12:20,222 --> 01:12:22,152 "Is He Still Talking About Ben, That Rat?" 1488 01:12:22,152 --> 01:12:25,222 We'd Seen Him Out Publicly With Stephanie Mills, 1489 01:12:25,222 --> 01:12:27,132 We'd Seen Him Out With Tatum O'neal, 1490 01:12:27,132 --> 01:12:29,232 With Maureen Mccormick From The Brady Bunch. 1491 01:12:29,232 --> 01:12:31,092 Girls Would Get Together And Like, 1492 01:12:31,092 --> 01:12:32,272 "I Wonder Who He's Talking About." 1493 01:12:32,272 --> 01:12:34,152 You Know What I Mean? 1494 01:12:34,152 --> 01:12:35,262 And You Would Look At The Tiger Beat Magazine 1495 01:12:35,262 --> 01:12:37,262 To Look For The Gossip And Everything. 1496 01:12:37,262 --> 01:12:41,072 "Who Made Michael Cry?" That's How We Took It. 1497 01:12:41,072 --> 01:12:42,112 Not That I Made Michael Cry, 1498 01:12:42,112 --> 01:12:44,132 'Cause I Would Never Make Michael Cry. 1499 01:12:44,132 --> 01:12:50,072 She's Out Of My Life Is, In My Opinion, 1500 01:12:50,072 --> 01:12:52,252 One Of The Two Songs On Off The Wall 1501 01:12:52,252 --> 01:12:55,192 That There's Nothing On Thriller That Tops It. 1502 01:12:55,192 --> 01:12:57,252 Quiet Storm Was Huge In The 1970s, 1503 01:12:57,252 --> 01:13:00,192 Which Was A Kind Of Radio Format Of Black Music 1504 01:13:00,192 --> 01:13:02,272 That Celebrated Intimacy And Sensuality, 1505 01:13:02,272 --> 01:13:04,272 And Ambient Softness And Quiet, Too. 1506 01:13:04,272 --> 01:13:07,102 I Can't Help It Was Really The Quiet Storm Demographic, Right. 1507 01:13:07,102 --> 01:13:10,062 It Was Really The Kind Of Late-Night, Boudoir Romance Thing. 1508 01:13:10,062 --> 01:13:13,092 It's The First Time That You Really Hear Michael, 1509 01:13:13,092 --> 01:13:16,082 To Me, Sounding Like An Adult, 1510 01:13:16,082 --> 01:13:21,162 And Sounding Outside Of His R&B Thing, It's Jazzy. 1511 01:13:21,162 --> 01:13:23,142 Susaye Greene Had Started Working On It. 1512 01:13:23,142 --> 01:13:26,062 She Was In The Supremes, But Also Sung With Stevie. 1513 01:13:26,062 --> 01:13:28,252 It Could've Fit On Songs In The Key Of Life, Really. 1514 01:13:28,252 --> 01:13:31,172 That Was Supposed To Be One Of The Songs On Songs In The Key Of Life. 1515 01:13:31,172 --> 01:13:32,212 -[Gasps] -Man: Ooh. 1516 01:13:32,212 --> 01:13:33,232 See, I Didn't Know That. 1517 01:13:33,232 --> 01:13:36,272 He Had The... [Singing] 1518 01:13:36,272 --> 01:13:38,102 The Hook. 1519 01:13:38,102 --> 01:13:39,202 I Think She Wrote A Lot Of The Lyric 1520 01:13:39,202 --> 01:13:41,232 When We Actually Were In The Studio Messing Around With It. 1521 01:13:41,232 --> 01:13:42,202 That's Right. 1522 01:13:47,232 --> 01:13:49,192 [Humming] 1523 01:14:01,092 --> 01:14:02,152 I Can't Help It Is My Favorite. 1524 01:14:02,152 --> 01:14:04,132 Stevie Overdid It With That Song. 1525 01:14:04,132 --> 01:14:06,172 The Nature Of The Chords Are Very Nocturnal. 1526 01:14:06,172 --> 01:14:09,182 You Know, It Doesn't Sound Like A Sunny Day To Me. 1527 01:14:09,182 --> 01:14:14,212 It Sounds Like, You Know, Beautiful Paradise Evening, You Know. 1528 01:14:14,212 --> 01:14:17,172 Somewhere Untainted By The Humans, You Know. 1529 01:14:17,172 --> 01:14:19,242 Mystical World, 1530 01:14:19,242 --> 01:14:22,092 You Know, Unicorns Walking Past And Shit. 1531 01:14:22,092 --> 01:14:27,122 My Sister, Renee, Had Been Hearing Me Play This Cassette. 1532 01:14:27,122 --> 01:14:30,222 She And Michael Were Friends, And She Took It Over 1533 01:14:30,222 --> 01:14:34,062 To Let Michael Hear It, And I Think It Was Great That He Did It. 1534 01:14:34,062 --> 01:14:36,062 I Mean, Really, He Did An Incredible Job. 1535 01:14:36,062 --> 01:14:37,192 The Melodies Are Very Seductive. 1536 01:14:37,192 --> 01:14:41,082 They Carry Some Of Those Signature Stevie Lines, 1537 01:14:41,082 --> 01:14:43,142 But Also There's Signature Stevie Chords. 1538 01:14:43,142 --> 01:14:45,102 I Really Believed In The Album. 1539 01:14:45,102 --> 01:14:47,142 First Of All, I Believed In Michael Jackson. 1540 01:14:47,142 --> 01:14:49,162 Stevie Wonder, I Love Stevie Wonder. 1541 01:14:49,162 --> 01:14:52,102 Being With Stevie Wonder, Being In His Sessions, 1542 01:14:52,102 --> 01:14:56,062 Just Sitting In And Learning Just Was Incredible. 1543 01:14:56,062 --> 01:14:57,152 You Could Put On I Can't Help It Right Now 1544 01:14:57,152 --> 01:14:59,142 And I'd Still Find Something That I Haven't Heard 1545 01:14:59,142 --> 01:15:00,262 Or It Will Remind Me Of Something, 1546 01:15:00,262 --> 01:15:04,232 Or The Warmth Of The Bass Line Would Just Kind Of Wash Over You. 1547 01:15:04,232 --> 01:15:07,152 It's Just Like... You Don't Get Sick Of That Music. 1548 01:15:07,152 --> 01:15:12,152 I Did A Record, Back In 1977. 1549 01:15:12,152 --> 01:15:16,092 We Did It's The Falling In Love, We Co-Wrote It Together. 1550 01:15:16,092 --> 01:15:17,272 -And I Know You Played On It. -Yeah. 1551 01:15:17,272 --> 01:15:20,222 I Think My Record Served As A Nice Demo. 1552 01:15:20,222 --> 01:15:22,192 David: Demo. 1553 01:15:22,192 --> 01:15:26,182 Questlove: Patti Austin Was A Singer In The Quincy Jones Arsenal. 1554 01:15:26,182 --> 01:15:29,092 The Very First Time That I Heard Patti Austin's Voice 1555 01:15:29,092 --> 01:15:31,162 Was It's The Falling In Love. 1556 01:15:31,162 --> 01:15:33,192 The Thing That Really Steeps A Record 1557 01:15:33,192 --> 01:15:35,242 In Its Era And That Could Make It Sound Dated 1558 01:15:35,242 --> 01:15:39,222 Is Relying Heavily On Very Specific Technology Of The Time. 1559 01:15:39,222 --> 01:15:43,052 And In The '80s, It Was Very Much About Gated Reverbs, 1560 01:15:43,052 --> 01:15:46,192 And In The Late '70s, You Had These Big, Massive Disco Claps. 1561 01:15:46,192 --> 01:15:50,202 This Album Was, Perhaps, Maybe One False Step Away 1562 01:15:50,202 --> 01:15:52,222 From Being A Very Dated Disco Record. 1563 01:15:52,222 --> 01:15:55,142 It Didn't Have Any Of Those Tricks Or Gimmicks. 1564 01:15:55,142 --> 01:15:58,132 Even Though It Was Immaculately Arranged, 1565 01:15:58,132 --> 01:15:59,212 And All The Percussive Parts, 1566 01:15:59,212 --> 01:16:01,082 And All The Way The Parts Worked Together, 1567 01:16:01,082 --> 01:16:03,272 There's Nothing Other Than A Bunch Of Dudes 1568 01:16:03,272 --> 01:16:06,082 Playing The Shit Out Of A Song In A Room. 1569 01:16:06,082 --> 01:16:07,152 That Will Never Date. 1570 01:16:07,152 --> 01:16:10,142 In A Lot Of Ways, Off The Wall Is Probably 1571 01:16:10,142 --> 01:16:15,042 The Culmination Of Classic Disco. 1572 01:16:15,042 --> 01:16:17,202 It Came Out In August 1979, 1573 01:16:17,202 --> 01:16:19,152 The "Disco Sucks" 1574 01:16:19,152 --> 01:16:22,122 Movement Started Just A Month Before, In July, 1575 01:16:22,122 --> 01:16:25,202 When A Shock Dj, Steve Dahl, In Chicago, 1576 01:16:25,202 --> 01:16:27,222 Gathered A Lot Of People Together 1577 01:16:27,222 --> 01:16:30,212 At Comiskey Park In Chicago To Burn Disco Records 1578 01:16:30,212 --> 01:16:33,102 Which Is A Really, I Think, Implicitly Racist 1579 01:16:33,102 --> 01:16:35,192 And Kind Of Homophobic Movement. 1580 01:16:35,192 --> 01:16:38,212 People Wanted To Shift The Dial Of Popular Music 1581 01:16:38,212 --> 01:16:41,202 Back To Where They Felt Comfortable, 1582 01:16:41,202 --> 01:16:45,092 Which Was Not Black, Not Gay, Not Latino. 1583 01:16:45,092 --> 01:16:47,212 Burn This Disco Out Actually Might've Been An Apt Title 1584 01:16:47,212 --> 01:16:51,152 Because It Was Coming Literally At The End Of The Disco Era. 1585 01:16:51,152 --> 01:16:56,092 Just At The Edge Of Being A Disco Record, But Moving The Genre Forward. 1586 01:16:56,092 --> 01:16:59,212 Far From One Of The Disco Factory Music 1587 01:16:59,212 --> 01:17:02,142 That Was Just Churning Out Factory Beats. 1588 01:17:02,142 --> 01:17:04,252 You Can Feel That Kind Of Visceral Energy. 1589 01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:08,062 I Mean, Off The Wall Really Is Like Lightning In A Bottle. 1590 01:17:08,062 --> 01:17:11,172 I Mean, You Really Capture Michael Jackson At 20 Years Old 1591 01:17:11,172 --> 01:17:14,062 With All Of That Excitement And Energy And Passion. 1592 01:17:14,062 --> 01:17:16,222 That Still Really Comes Through On That Record. 1593 01:17:16,222 --> 01:17:20,142 This Is The Very Last 8-Track That My Parents Brought Me 1594 01:17:20,142 --> 01:17:22,172 Before I Stopped Buying 8-Tracks. 1595 01:17:22,172 --> 01:17:28,092 I Remember Off The Wall Coming Out Second Week Of August In 1979. 1596 01:17:28,092 --> 01:17:30,222 Departure Album Is Sort Of An Album 1597 01:17:30,222 --> 01:17:33,072 That Is In A Person's Canon In Their Career, 1598 01:17:33,072 --> 01:17:37,172 Of Which They Make A 180 Turn From What They Were Known From. 1599 01:17:37,172 --> 01:17:39,182 He Was No Longer The Teenybopper Act, 1600 01:17:39,182 --> 01:17:41,182 He Was No Longer The Socially Shy, 1601 01:17:41,182 --> 01:17:43,212 Awkward, Maladjusted Guy With Acne. 1602 01:17:43,212 --> 01:17:46,272 He Was Suddenly Exuberant, Confident. 1603 01:17:46,272 --> 01:17:50,082 You Look At The Album Cover Of Off The Wall, It's Like His Prom Picture. 1604 01:17:50,082 --> 01:17:53,222 He's In A Suit And Tie In The Kind Of Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Mold. 1605 01:17:53,222 --> 01:17:55,042 Now, He's This Free-Wheeling Playboy 1606 01:17:55,042 --> 01:17:57,132 That You Can Imagine Out On The Streets Of New York. 1607 01:17:57,132 --> 01:17:59,082 Again, Life-Changing. 1608 01:17:59,082 --> 01:18:02,242 I Think Sophisticated, I Think Glamour, 1609 01:18:02,242 --> 01:18:04,212 I Think Provocateur, 1610 01:18:04,212 --> 01:18:08,112 I Think Everything That I Wanted To Be. 1611 01:18:08,112 --> 01:18:10,212 Yeah, I'm Interested In Promotion. 1612 01:18:10,212 --> 01:18:13,192 I Wanna Do Things That's Never Been Done Before. 1613 01:18:13,192 --> 01:18:17,112 If It Weren't For Promotion, Who Would Know About The Jackson 5? 1614 01:18:17,112 --> 01:18:19,272 Who Would Know That We Exist? 1615 01:18:19,272 --> 01:18:23,162 I Wouldn't Be Able To Translate My Music To Different Countries, 1616 01:18:23,162 --> 01:18:29,072 Africa, Japan, New Zealand, Scotland, All The Way To Australia. 1617 01:18:29,072 --> 01:18:31,102 Jones: The Universal Core In Music, I Think, 1618 01:18:31,102 --> 01:18:33,082 Transcends Even What A Crossover's About. 1619 01:18:33,082 --> 01:18:37,042 We View A Crossover As Being, You Know, Black And White Markets, 1620 01:18:37,042 --> 01:18:39,072 Which We've Been Faced With For Years, 1621 01:18:39,072 --> 01:18:41,092 But I Think Michael's Thing Went Even Past That, You Know. 1622 01:18:41,092 --> 01:18:45,212 You Get Into Argentina And Israel And Spain And Scandinavia And Australia. 1623 01:18:45,212 --> 01:18:48,102 I Tell People Fashion And Music Is A Universal Language. 1624 01:18:48,102 --> 01:18:51,232 Wherever You Go, You're Gonna Hear The Same Songs In Certain Countries. 1625 01:18:51,232 --> 01:18:54,042 And When People Come Together For Those Songs, 1626 01:18:54,042 --> 01:18:55,242 They're All Happy, They're All At Peace. 1627 01:18:55,242 --> 01:18:57,142 'Cause A Lot Of People Wouldn't Even Speak English, 1628 01:18:57,142 --> 01:18:58,252 When We Traveled The Globe, 1629 01:18:58,252 --> 01:19:00,232 But They Know The Song, They Know The Music 1630 01:19:00,232 --> 01:19:02,152 And They Learned The Lyrics Somehow. 1631 01:19:02,152 --> 01:19:04,262 And That's Just So Wonderful 1632 01:19:04,262 --> 01:19:07,252 How You Can Bring People Together Just Through Your Music. 1633 01:19:07,252 --> 01:19:10,132 Michael Jackson Can Come Out On Stage And Not Say Anything, 1634 01:19:10,132 --> 01:19:12,182 And You Know That He Cared. 1635 01:19:12,182 --> 01:19:15,122 Hundred Thousand People In An Olympic Stadium Feel That He's Right There For Them. 1636 01:19:15,122 --> 01:19:19,242 Everyone Thinks, You Know, Like They've Had Such A Personal Connection With Him, 1637 01:19:19,242 --> 01:19:22,092 But That's How Great He Was. 1638 01:19:22,092 --> 01:19:23,252 He Made You Feel Like That. 1639 01:19:23,252 --> 01:19:26,062 Michael Just Inspired Me To Be A Better Person. 1640 01:19:26,062 --> 01:19:29,122 I Actually Do Believe That The Blessing That The Lord Gave This Family, 1641 01:19:29,122 --> 01:19:30,242 The Musical Blessing, 1642 01:19:30,242 --> 01:19:33,062 The True Mission Behind All Of That, I Believe, 1643 01:19:33,062 --> 01:19:35,252 Is To Unify The World Together Through Your Music As One. 1644 01:19:35,252 --> 01:19:38,132 And It's About Changing The World 1645 01:19:38,132 --> 01:19:41,072 For A Better Place For Our Kids To Grow Up In. 1646 01:19:41,072 --> 01:19:42,172 He Had Seen What Had Happened 1647 01:19:42,172 --> 01:19:46,092 To Artists Like James Brown, Little Richard, Jackie Wilson. 1648 01:19:46,092 --> 01:19:49,072 Sometimes, The Industry Wasn't Fair To Black Artists. 1649 01:19:49,072 --> 01:19:51,062 I Remember Fighting In The Meeting, You Know, Like, 1650 01:19:51,062 --> 01:19:54,062 "How Come Michael's Not On The Cover Of People Magazine?" 1651 01:19:54,062 --> 01:19:56,092 "How Come He's Not On The Cover Of Us?" 1652 01:19:56,092 --> 01:19:59,212 Pop Radio Stations Didn't Want To Play Off The Wall In The Beginning. 1653 01:19:59,212 --> 01:20:01,092 Publicity Lady Would Tell Me, 1654 01:20:01,092 --> 01:20:03,172 "Well, If A Black Person Is Put On The Cover 1655 01:20:03,172 --> 01:20:05,202 "Of These Magazines, They Won't Sell." 1656 01:20:05,202 --> 01:20:08,262 Michael Jackson Is A Viable Artist All By Himself, 1657 01:20:08,262 --> 01:20:11,062 And If They Gave Him The Opportunity, 1658 01:20:11,062 --> 01:20:13,132 He Could Win The Radio Stations Over. 1659 01:20:13,132 --> 01:20:14,182 And He Did. 1660 01:20:14,182 --> 01:20:16,122 'Cause He Just Made Us Feel Like 1661 01:20:16,122 --> 01:20:19,122 Where We Are Is Where We Always Were, And We Weren't. 1662 01:20:19,122 --> 01:20:23,142 There Are Kids That Were Born When Obama Was In Office. 1663 01:20:23,142 --> 01:20:26,062 So, They Don't Understand A World Where There Was A White President. 1664 01:20:26,062 --> 01:20:27,222 They Don't Even Know What That Feels Like. 1665 01:20:27,222 --> 01:20:32,082 I Didn't Know What It Felt Like To Not Have Black Pop Artists 1666 01:20:32,082 --> 01:20:36,182 Because He Made Us Feel And Believe That That Was Just A Norm. 1667 01:20:36,182 --> 01:20:40,272 He Took Black Music To A Place Where It Became Human Music. 1668 01:20:40,272 --> 01:20:44,072 Michael: Music Has No Color, And It Shouldn't Have Color. 1669 01:20:44,072 --> 01:20:45,272 And I Don't Believe In That. 1670 01:20:45,272 --> 01:20:48,262 What I Do, I Don't Want It Labelled Black Or White. 1671 01:20:48,262 --> 01:20:51,062 I Want It Labelled As Music. 1672 01:20:51,062 --> 01:20:56,082 It Was A Simpler Time, And Radio Had Everything To Do With It. 1673 01:20:56,082 --> 01:20:59,182 Hey, Let's Go Out With Some Up-Tempo First, 1674 01:20:59,182 --> 01:21:00,262 Get Ourselves Positioned, 1675 01:21:00,262 --> 01:21:02,212 Bang, And We'll Come In With That Ballad, 1676 01:21:02,212 --> 01:21:06,122 And, You Know, You Go Gold, You Go Platinum. 1677 01:21:06,122 --> 01:21:09,132 Four Singles In The Top 10 And Billboard, 1678 01:21:09,132 --> 01:21:12,062 Not Counting It Being Number One On R&B Radio Stations. 1679 01:21:12,062 --> 01:21:13,242 It Had Never Been Done Before. 1680 01:21:13,242 --> 01:21:16,272 Some People Looked At It As A Disco Album, 1681 01:21:16,272 --> 01:21:19,052 Which In Retrospect Is Kind Of Foolish, 1682 01:21:19,052 --> 01:21:23,272 Because It's One Of The Most Creatively Influential Albums In History. 1683 01:21:23,272 --> 01:21:28,072 You Look Back At The Awards For Off The Wall, They're R&B Awards. 1684 01:21:28,072 --> 01:21:30,192 The Music Industry Was Still Very Segregated At The Time. 1685 01:21:30,192 --> 01:21:35,062 And Michael Was Only Nominated For R&B Awards And He Won. 1686 01:21:51,162 --> 01:21:54,222 He Thought It Wasn't Fair. He Thought They Snubbed Him, It Wasn't Fair. 1687 01:21:54,222 --> 01:21:58,042 He Came And He Told Me, "Mother, Next Year, 1688 01:21:58,042 --> 01:22:00,072 "They're Gonna Have To Give It To Me." 1689 01:22:00,072 --> 01:22:02,122 -Man: And That Was Thriller? -That's Right. 1690 01:22:02,122 --> 01:22:06,062 Off The Wall Really Kind Of Set The Blueprint For R&B, 1691 01:22:06,062 --> 01:22:09,132 And I Think Most Artists Today Acknowledge That. 1692 01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:13,132 It's Hard To Come Up With Something Fresh And New All The Time. 1693 01:22:13,132 --> 01:22:15,052 They Go Back And They Say, "What Was Great? 1694 01:22:15,052 --> 01:22:17,082 "What Was Done That Was Just Great?" 1695 01:22:17,082 --> 01:22:19,212 And They Find Themselves Listening To Off The Wall, 1696 01:22:19,212 --> 01:22:22,042 And Then They Take A Little Piece And They Say, 1697 01:22:22,042 --> 01:22:24,202 "See How He Did This? We Gotta Do That." 1698 01:22:24,202 --> 01:22:26,252 "See How He Made That Sound? We Gotta Do That." 1699 01:22:26,252 --> 01:22:28,182 I Do That, So, I Know. 1700 01:22:28,182 --> 01:22:31,092 That Album, You Hear It In Music All The Time. 1701 01:22:31,092 --> 01:22:33,092 Pharrell To Justin Timberlake. 1702 01:22:33,092 --> 01:22:36,092 My Music Would Not Be Here If It Weren't For His Influence, 1703 01:22:36,092 --> 01:22:39,092 Off The Wall And The Next Album After That As Well. 1704 01:22:39,092 --> 01:22:41,132 Like, I Wouldn't Have Music. 1705 01:22:41,132 --> 01:22:44,042 I Don't Think There's Any Way There's Any Other Record That I Played More Music From, 1706 01:22:44,042 --> 01:22:46,062 Like, In The Course Of 20 Years Of Djing. 1707 01:22:46,062 --> 01:22:51,072 Ten To 15,000 Times, Like, I Have Released The Vinyl On Those Songs. 1708 01:22:51,072 --> 01:22:54,052 Off The Wall Is The Album I Still Play To This Day. 1709 01:22:54,052 --> 01:22:57,082 It's The Album That I Put On When I Want To Teach My Daughter How To Dance. 1710 01:22:57,082 --> 01:23:00,142 It Was Soul Music's Epoch Of Magic Realism. 1711 01:23:00,142 --> 01:23:03,132 And When I Say Magic Realism, I Mean It Was Transformative. 1712 01:23:03,132 --> 01:23:04,272 It Takes You Someplace Else. 1713 01:23:04,272 --> 01:23:08,042 It's So Rich, Musically, The Arrangements, 1714 01:23:08,042 --> 01:23:09,262 The Singing, The Background Vocals. 1715 01:23:09,262 --> 01:23:11,212 Michael Taught Me Melody Is King. 1716 01:23:11,212 --> 01:23:16,182 He Was Like, "Babies Don't Sing Lyrics, They Hum Melody." 1717 01:23:16,182 --> 01:23:18,262 A-B-C-D-E-F-G. 1718 01:23:18,262 --> 01:23:21,152 They May Not Know All The Letters In The Alphabet, 1719 01:23:21,152 --> 01:23:23,162 But They Know That Melody To That Song. 1720 01:23:23,162 --> 01:23:27,132 That Was The Way I Saw Music. I Always Saw Music As These Little Portals. 1721 01:23:27,132 --> 01:23:29,092 It Was Like, You Listen To A Song, Okay, 1722 01:23:29,092 --> 01:23:31,082 It's Gonna Take You Into This Land Every Time. 1723 01:23:31,082 --> 01:23:34,232 In Its First Year Alone, That Album Sold Over Six Million Copies. 1724 01:23:34,232 --> 01:23:37,212 It's Been Overshadowed Because Of The Thriller Album. 1725 01:23:37,212 --> 01:23:40,262 There Would Be No Thriller Without Off The Wall. Everybody Knows That. 1726 01:23:40,262 --> 01:23:44,072 When He Went In The Studio To Make Thriller, He Was Intent, 1727 01:23:44,072 --> 01:23:47,062 Actually Intent On Making The Biggest Album In History. 1728 01:23:47,062 --> 01:23:49,062 And The Amazing Thing Is That He Actually Did. 1729 01:23:49,062 --> 01:23:51,162 Whatever Your Top Game Was, You Going On Top Of That One. 1730 01:23:51,162 --> 01:23:53,082 That Was His Gift. 1731 01:23:53,082 --> 01:23:57,272 You're Dealing With A True Artist Devoted To The Art, 1732 01:23:57,272 --> 01:24:00,042 And Everything Else Is Secondary. 1733 01:24:00,042 --> 01:24:04,232 I Think It's Very Easy For People To Get Sidetracked And Talk About His Complexion, 1734 01:24:04,232 --> 01:24:09,042 They Don't Focus On What This Man Was, And How He Was That. 1735 01:24:09,042 --> 01:24:11,172 And How You Can Learn From That. 1736 01:24:11,172 --> 01:24:14,082 You Approach Things The Way He Approached Music 1737 01:24:14,082 --> 01:24:17,222 And You Will Be Phenomenal. 1738 01:24:17,222 --> 01:24:22,052 Interviewer: And The Idea Of Being Separated From Your Brothers, Does That Hurt? 1739 01:24:22,052 --> 01:24:24,082 No, It Doesn't. 1740 01:24:24,082 --> 01:24:25,232 It... 1741 01:24:25,232 --> 01:24:31,162 There's Other Kinds Of Sounds And Music That I Love To Do. 1742 01:24:31,162 --> 01:24:34,152 It Hurts What Is Inside Of Me And It Can't Get Out, 1743 01:24:34,152 --> 01:24:36,162 And It's Hidden From The World. 1744 01:24:36,162 --> 01:24:40,212 When I Do Those Solo Albums, Then I'm Doing All Kinds Of Different Music. 1745 01:24:40,212 --> 01:24:43,252 It's Wonderful. I Feel Like I'm Accomplishing What I'm Supposed To Do. 1746 01:24:43,252 --> 01:24:47,052 Interviewer: And You Don't Feel Guilty Or Worried About Your Brothers? 1747 01:24:47,052 --> 01:24:50,152 No, 'Cause They Understand. 1748 01:24:50,152 --> 01:24:54,082 Why Hide It? Share It. 1749 01:24:54,082 --> 01:24:56,132 Off The Wall Will Live Forever. 1750 01:24:56,132 --> 01:25:01,132 That Was 1979, But This Is Just The Beginning For That Record. 1751 01:25:01,132 --> 01:25:03,052 It's Just The Beginning That... 1752 01:25:03,052 --> 01:25:09,262 New People Will Explore And Discover It Today And Tomorrow, 1753 01:25:09,262 --> 01:25:13,042 And It'd Be Something New To Them Today And Tomorrow. 1754 01:25:13,042 --> 01:25:14,092 It's Just The Beginning. 1755 01:25:14,092 --> 01:25:20,042 He Transcended Sexual Barriers, Racial Barriers. 1756 01:25:20,042 --> 01:25:22,202 He Brought Everybody In With Everybody, 1757 01:25:22,202 --> 01:25:25,212 Old People, Young People, Gay, Straight. 1758 01:25:25,212 --> 01:25:29,192 I Mean, Wherever You Went, There Was A Smile. 1759 01:25:29,192 --> 01:25:33,152 But The Beauty Of His Artistry And What He Has Left Us, 1760 01:25:33,152 --> 01:25:35,132 With So Much Joy, 1761 01:25:35,132 --> 01:25:39,072 And So Much Thankfulness, 1762 01:25:40,222 --> 01:25:43,242 For All That He Had Given To Me... 1763 01:25:43,242 --> 01:25:45,142 You Know, Given To Everybody, 1764 01:25:45,142 --> 01:25:47,252 But I'm Just Gonna Be Selfish Here For A Moment, 1765 01:25:47,252 --> 01:25:50,062 What He Gave To Me, 1766 01:25:50,062 --> 01:25:53,182 And I'm Glad That I Found That Joy Again. 1767 01:25:53,182 --> 01:25:57,102 And I Think That, In That Way, His Spirit Is Still With Me. 1768 01:25:57,102 --> 01:26:03,172 He Surpassed What I Ever Expected Of Him. 1769 01:26:03,172 --> 01:26:07,102 I Expected A Great Deal Of Him, And He Surpassed That. 1770 01:26:07,102 --> 01:26:09,162 There's An Element Of God That's In People. 1771 01:26:09,162 --> 01:26:13,132 Some People, God Laid His Hand On Longer, And Held It There. 1772 01:26:14,232 --> 01:26:16,232 Michael: Secretly And Privately, 1773 01:26:16,232 --> 01:26:21,042 I Mean, Really Deep Within, There's A Destiny For Me. 1774 01:26:21,042 --> 01:26:24,042 And Just For Me To Stay On That Track And Follow It. 1775 01:26:24,042 --> 01:26:27,142 I Really Believe And Feel I'm Here For A Reason. 1776 01:26:27,142 --> 01:26:31,152 And That's My Job, You Know, To Perform For The People. 1777 01:26:31,152 --> 01:26:34,272 And If They Accept It, Then I'm Rewarded, 1778 01:26:34,272 --> 01:26:38,272 They Want To Put Me Up On That Pedestal, I Feel Even Better. 1779 01:26:38,272 --> 01:26:40,202 Do You Ever Wanna Stop? 1780 01:26:40,202 --> 01:26:42,272 No. Don't Stop Till You Get Enough. 1781 01:26:42,272 --> 01:26:44,112 You Haven't Had Enough? 1782 01:26:44,112 --> 01:26:46,272 No Way! No Way. 1783 01:26:46,272 --> 01:26:49,172 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough 1784 01:26:49,172 --> 01:26:51,082 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough 1785 01:26:51,082 --> 01:26:52,122 ♪ Ooh ♪ 1786 01:27:08,142 --> 01:27:14,132 ♪ Lovely, Is The Feeling Now ♪ 1787 01:27:16,152 --> 01:27:22,122 ♪ Fever, Temperature's Rising Now ♪ 1788 01:27:24,182 --> 01:27:28,042 -♪ Power ♪ -♪ Ah Power ♪ 1789 01:27:28,042 --> 01:27:30,242 ♪ Is The Force The Vow ♪ 1790 01:27:31,242 --> 01:27:34,142 ♪ That Makes It Happen ♪ 1791 01:27:36,042 --> 01:27:38,192 ♪ It Asks No Questions Why ♪ 1792 01:27:38,192 --> 01:27:40,242 [Laughter] 1793 01:27:40,242 --> 01:27:43,132 [Rapping] 1794 01:27:43,132 --> 01:27:44,252 [Audience Cheering] 1795 01:28:03,232 --> 01:28:05,132 [Cheering] 1796 01:28:07,242 --> 01:28:09,212 [Rapping] 1797 01:28:13,222 --> 01:28:15,092 [Audience Cheering] 1798 01:28:16,062 --> 01:28:17,222 [Rapping] 1799 01:28:19,112 --> 01:28:21,112 [Rapping] 1800 01:28:24,212 --> 01:28:26,152 [Audience Cheering] 1801 01:28:35,212 --> 01:28:37,112 [Audience Cheering] 1802 01:28:57,232 --> 01:28:59,182 [Audience Cheering] 1803 01:29:16,062 --> 01:29:18,132 [Audience Cheering] 1804 01:29:29,062 --> 01:29:31,092 [Audience Cheering] 1805 01:29:44,122 --> 01:29:46,062 Man! Brooklyn. 1806 01:29:46,062 --> 01:29:48,092 [Audience Cheering] 1807 01:29:52,222 --> 01:29:56,102 This Feels So Good. Brooklyn! We Love You, Michael, Yes? 1808 01:29:56,102 --> 01:29:58,222 [Audience Cheering] 1809 01:29:59,252 --> 01:30:01,122 [Exhales] 1810 01:30:21,242 --> 01:30:24,042 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1811 01:30:24,042 --> 01:30:25,162 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1812 01:30:25,162 --> 01:30:27,222 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1813 01:30:27,222 --> 01:30:29,152 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1814 01:30:29,152 --> 01:30:31,212 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1815 01:30:31,212 --> 01:30:33,162 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1816 01:30:33,162 --> 01:30:35,232 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1817 01:30:35,232 --> 01:30:37,172 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1818 01:30:37,172 --> 01:30:39,192 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1819 01:30:39,192 --> 01:30:41,162 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1820 01:30:41,162 --> 01:30:43,162 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1821 01:30:43,162 --> 01:30:45,132 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1822 01:30:45,132 --> 01:30:47,212 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1823 01:30:47,212 --> 01:30:49,132 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1824 01:30:49,132 --> 01:30:51,222 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1825 01:30:51,222 --> 01:30:53,262 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1826 01:30:53,262 --> 01:31:00,212 ♪ Lovely, Is The Feeling Now ♪ 1827 01:31:00,212 --> 01:31:05,102 ♪ I Won't Be Complainin' Ooh, Ooh ♪ 1828 01:31:05,102 --> 01:31:09,182 ♪ The Force Is Love Power ♪ 1829 01:31:09,182 --> 01:31:11,272 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1830 01:31:11,272 --> 01:31:13,222 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1831 01:31:13,222 --> 01:31:15,222 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1832 01:31:15,222 --> 01:31:17,212 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1833 01:31:17,212 --> 01:31:20,052 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1834 01:31:20,052 --> 01:31:21,202 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1835 01:31:21,202 --> 01:31:23,252 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1836 01:31:23,252 --> 01:31:25,202 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1837 01:31:25,202 --> 01:31:28,092 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1838 01:31:28,092 --> 01:31:29,252 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1839 01:31:29,252 --> 01:31:32,072 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1840 01:31:32,072 --> 01:31:33,212 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1841 01:31:33,212 --> 01:31:36,052 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1842 01:31:36,052 --> 01:31:37,222 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1843 01:31:37,222 --> 01:31:40,112 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1844 01:31:40,112 --> 01:31:41,222 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1845 01:31:41,222 --> 01:31:44,072 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1846 01:31:44,072 --> 01:31:45,202 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1847 01:31:45,202 --> 01:31:48,112 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1848 01:31:48,112 --> 01:31:49,262 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1849 01:31:49,262 --> 01:31:52,182 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1850 01:31:52,182 --> 01:31:54,062 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1851 01:31:54,062 --> 01:31:56,082 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1852 01:31:56,082 --> 01:31:57,272 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1853 01:31:57,272 --> 01:32:00,102 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1854 01:32:00,102 --> 01:32:01,232 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1855 01:32:01,232 --> 01:32:04,152 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1856 01:32:04,152 --> 01:32:06,052 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1857 01:32:06,052 --> 01:32:08,112 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1858 01:32:08,112 --> 01:32:10,062 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1859 01:32:10,062 --> 01:32:12,152 ♪ Keep On With The Force, Don't Stop ♪ 1860 01:32:12,152 --> 01:32:14,092 ♪ Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough ♪ 1861 01:32:21,192 --> 01:32:22,192 [Song Ends] 1862 01:33:03,202 --> 01:33:05,182 [Audience Cheering] 1863 01:33:14,212 --> 01:33:15,212 [Michael Jackson Laughing] 1864 01:33:16,153 --> 01:33:18,093 Whoo! 1865 01:33:19,305 --> 01:33:25,819 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/ykvr Help other users to choose the best subtitles154476

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