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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:09,760 We're going to start the shoot now. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,480 That condom has to appear like magic! 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,400 I've found girls who don't know anything about anything. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,040 It's OK to let some emotions out. 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,840 We don't take advantage of anyone. 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,080 You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. 7 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:27,840 I don't think girls really enjoy porn. 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,680 So, just to be clear - he's going to have four testicles? 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Yeah. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,480 You are casting off an entire race of women, 11 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,360 purely down to their skin colour? 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,120 I don't really care what people think, I'm just going to be honest. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,880 That's the problem. 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,840 Throughout this experience, I've realised, you know, 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,520 the people you see in porn videos are real people, 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,480 they have their own motives for doing porn. 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,600 And to paint them with this whole, porn is bad, porn is bad brush, 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,120 I think is very unfair. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,760 The mainstream porn that exists has so many flaws. 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,400 I think that it needs to completely change. 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,040 I've learnt about the bad types of porn that I'll be keeping away 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,800 from, but I feel like there is some sort of room for a little good 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,960 type of porn. 24 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:19,360 I've literally been on a real roller-coaster, 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,600 but I'm very open-minded. 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,320 Even though I know I've seen the darker side. 27 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,720 We have to accept that porn is a massive part of society now, 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,080 and therefore, we need to start being realistic about the best ways 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,640 of changing it. 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Anna and I have invited Cameron along to meet some feminists 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,200 who look at how the porn industry affects wider society. 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,600 They're speaking on the national radio station. 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,200 It's like the control room. 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,320 I've not really met a lot of feminists in my life. 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,440 It'll be nice to, kind of, understand their point of view. 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,120 HE SPEAKS SPANISH 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,000 We got to sit in on a radio programme where they were talking 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,520 about what their kind of campaigns were. 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,160 SHE SPEAKS SPANISH 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,000 Hi! Hi! Hello! 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Very nice to meet you. 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,360 I think there's too much to talk about, 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 so, let's have a coffee outside. 44 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,880 Let's move. Have a chat, OK? 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,280 Let's go. 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,960 They wanted to show us some videos. 47 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,320 These are Public Disgrace videos, in which a woman is filmed being, 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,840 essentially, violated and humiliated in public. 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,840 When it's called Public Disgrace, it really means public disgrace. 50 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,720 The Public Disgrace stuff gets filmed here? 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Yeah, it's here. 52 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,760 You can see, we are here, right here. Right here. What the hell? 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,920 Is that Rob? Is that Rob Diesel? 54 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,600 It is, isn't it? That is Rob. That's Rob. 55 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,440 Do you know that man? 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,280 Well, he's making Public Disgrace here in Madrid. 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,120 The man in the video was Rob. 58 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Hey, guys, I'm Rob. 59 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 I'm the director and the actor as well. 60 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Rob who was very intimate, and affectionate, and caring. 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,680 Rob who wanted a connection with the girl he was with. 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,640 He was talking about how professional he is, 63 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,720 and how he cares a lot for the actresses, 64 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 so I'm really shocked to see that. 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Even if this is consensual, do you think that this is ethical, 66 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,960 to make that to a woman in the middle of the street? No. No. 67 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 That's the thing, even if that is consensual 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,360 between that women and that man, it has wider implications. 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,520 How often do you think those kind of films are being made here? 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,720 There is a lot of porn like this. There is a lot... 71 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,640 Here we are in Plaza de Espana. 72 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,320 And it's a very romantic place, all the couples 73 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,000 come here, take pictures. 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Another Public Disgrace episode happens right here. 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,720 So, this is in this square? 76 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Yeah. She's a toy, she's an object. 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,160 Oh, my God! 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,840 He's just grabbed her and dunked her head into that fountain. 79 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,560 Quite violently. 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,320 So, the question is - is this sex? 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,800 Far from it. 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,720 Because if that was just a normal couple, 83 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,040 and there were no cameras, or if it wasn't for porn... 84 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,280 He would be in jail. Yeah. 85 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:50,720 It is not sex. 86 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,040 It's presented as, "Violence is sex, and sex is violence." 87 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,160 Watching porn like this will affect how men think 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,600 about, like, the... Absolutely. 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,680 I think, because, in some way, they are legitimised 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,440 by this industry that says that sex has no limits or boundaries. 91 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,360 People are seeing this from they're very, very young. 92 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,920 Then they're going to grow up into a world where they think this is OK. 93 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,240 And it's not just men being taught that being violent is OK. 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,080 It's women being taught that being abused is OK. 95 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,600 It is not just extreme and dark side of the porn - 96 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,800 it's the mainstream porn. 97 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,720 We have a problem with sexual violence in our society, 98 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,360 and we have to fight against that. 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,360 For us, it's completely necessary that men come to this revolution. 100 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,200 The Public Disgrace videos were horrifying. 101 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,280 He was not even looking this girl in the eye. 102 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:48,880 You know, slapping her around, 103 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,120 like, spitting on her, 104 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,080 being horrible. 105 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,560 I can't believe that he did stuff like that. 106 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,560 We spoke to him all day, you know, he came across as this really 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,400 likeable character that was just this big teddy bear. 108 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,280 And I feel a bit stupid, actually. 109 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:03,560 I felt betrayed. 110 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 I would love to speak to Rob again, and just be, like, "What is this?" 111 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,360 I'm kind of apprehensive to see Rob after what we saw in Madrid. 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,680 I think me, Cameron, and Anna felt very betrayed 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,560 after we saw those videos. 114 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,640 So, I'm looking forward to meeting him again, 115 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,400 with the knowledge we have, and digging a bit deeper 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,880 than we were able to the first time. 117 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,600 I think it's definitely important to listen to what he has say 118 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,600 cos, you know, we don't know the circumstances that he was in 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,160 when he was filming those type of videos. 120 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,240 Hello, how are you doing? Hey, what's up, guys? 121 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,760 On time. 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,600 So, when we went to Madrid, we were speaking with 123 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,120 a group of feminists. 124 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,640 And they were, basically, explaining this whole type of porn 125 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,080 which I'd never seen before. Mm-hmm. 126 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,800 Called Public Disgrace. 127 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Yeah, I work for them as well. 128 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,240 For me, that kind of showed a whole different side to porn. 129 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,840 I have nothing against what Public Disgrace does. 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,560 I like their work as well, actually. 131 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,560 The difference is not that big. 132 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,680 It's the same respect behind it. 133 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,640 They work with girls that like this kind of sex, 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 I mean, they're not going to work with anyone that feels 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,960 uncomfortable about it. 136 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,280 It really upset me, because it's people who are walking past. 137 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Children who are with their parents, that have no knowledge 138 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,840 that this is going to put there, there and then. 139 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,080 I know when I shot it, we were really careful 140 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,000 about having kids around, or having families around. 141 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,960 One thing that I saw which shocked me the most, 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,080 I think, in the Public Disgrace videos was the scene where you, 143 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,560 kind of, dragged the girl by her hair along the floor, 144 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 then you, kind of, dunked her head in the fountain. 145 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,640 So, for me, if you were watching that, 146 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,000 just in the general public area, then that would be seen as abuse. 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,240 When the camera starts, it's fiction, it's a movie. 148 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,640 It's a fantasy of many people, as well. 149 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Even a fantasy of many girls, 150 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,440 so I have nothing against these kind of productions. 151 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,280 From my perspective... 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,520 Yeah. 153 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,120 ..I would never want any man to treat me like that, ever. 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,680 The fact that it's depicted so much in porn worries me 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,200 because I'm worried that young men grow up thinking that 156 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360 I do want to be treated like that. 157 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,720 Because, in porn, they see women asking for it, 158 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,440 or not challenging it. 159 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,000 Do you understand, kind of, why that would worry me? 160 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Yeah, I know what you mean. 161 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,240 But I think that comes up to common sense. 162 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,720 I don't really see anything bad in it, 163 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,120 I don't see anything... 164 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,680 ..aggressive in it. 165 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,600 I think it's playing with sex, playing with fantasies, 166 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,480 playing with pleasure. 167 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,600 I know what it was all about when I took the job, 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:08,520 and I never done anything that I can't feel proud of doing. 169 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Rob still doesn't feel like he is responsible 170 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,200 for the societal implications of porn. 171 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Which does concern me quite a lot, because, 172 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,840 you know, these are the people who are producing it. 173 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,840 I think the industry is in a little bit of denial about it. 174 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,400 I think they are kind of shunning all these accusations 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,960 about how it is impacting people watching it from an early age. 176 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,840 I think, even if they don't want the responsibility, 177 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,360 I think it's important that they accept it and understand 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,480 that they do have a responsibility. 179 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Today, we're going to meet a porn producer called Erika Lust. 180 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,920 She says 40% of her subscribers are actually women - 181 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:03,080 which is much higher than normal mainstream porn. 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,560 I don't know how much you guys know about Erika Lust. 183 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:06,920 Not loads. 184 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 She is, kind of, a self-proclaimed feminist. 185 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,120 So, I think she would say that the porn she makes 186 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,840 is quite ethical. Yeah. 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,880 What actually is ethical porn? 188 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,160 It is, kind of, painted as being more female-centric. 189 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,960 But actually, if it's just about intimacy, 190 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,400 that doesn't necessarily make it ethical. 191 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,040 That just makes it a feminine stereotype. 192 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,800 Is that her website? 193 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Yeah, this is her website. 194 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,160 So, the biography is, 195 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,240 "Female provocateur and 196 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,280 "erotic film director, Erika Lust, is creating a new world 197 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,480 "of indie adult cinema." 198 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,520 It's like a proper film. 199 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,760 If I was trying to masturbate to this, I'd just get too into it. 200 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,480 My erection would be gone by now. 201 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Hello, guys! Hello. 202 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,840 Let me show you a little of the office. 203 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,000 In here, we have the web guys. 204 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,920 Over here, operations, graphic design, 205 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,440 we have press and media, social media, marketing. 206 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,400 So, in my crew, you will find lots of women. 207 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,160 In my office, you will also find lots of women, 208 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,120 because that is extremely important. 209 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Participation. 210 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,040 We did a little Google on you, and, so, we see that you do pornography 211 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,680 and it's ethical. 212 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,280 But we were just trying to understand how... 213 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,520 What is it really? 214 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,000 What is ethical? 215 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,320 I had this idea that I wanted to portray, especially women 216 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,120 and female sexuality, in a more realistic, 217 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,480 authentic way. 218 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,840 But then, it's also about having women represented 219 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,400 behind the camera. 220 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,160 I want the female gaze, 221 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,160 I want women to speak up and say what they want. 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,080 What kind of message and values is the Erika Lust production company 223 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,520 trying to put out there? 224 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Female pleasure, that is extremely important to me, 225 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,480 because I'm so tired of not finding it and not seeing it in, 226 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,920 kind of, the online tube porn sites. 227 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,840 I guess, what we're asking you is, how can we trust you? 228 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,560 I'm not here to tell you, "Trust me, come to my world, 229 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:35,360 "take my porn, this is it!" 230 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,840 That's not what I do. 231 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,680 We want you to see how we make our films, 232 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,080 you know? 233 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,920 What we are doing, how we are doing it. 234 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,840 And then, that is how you feel, at the end of the day. 235 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,720 Hello! 236 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,400 So, I'm here with these people to learn everything about editing. 237 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,800 So, now, I am editing... 238 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,120 We shot it a month ago, more or less, right? 239 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,600 Yeah, in October. 240 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,280 I mean, it's kind of a cute story actually, right? 241 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,440 It's a quirky story, it's about our main character. 242 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,480 And first thing that happens is that he gets completely surprised 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,480 because there are naked people in this place. 244 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,920 But instead of him looking at them as if they were strange, 245 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,400 it's them looking at him as if he is the odd one. 246 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,040 It's really good to see a woman who just looks like a real, 247 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,000 normal women, as opposed to this idealised body. 248 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,400 I think it's very important, and I think that especially many 249 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:45,240 young women out there want to watch people that they can relate to. 250 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,800 How do you change the focus in your films for a female audience? 251 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,680 Obviously, we try to show female pleasure. 252 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,240 They are not only there to be fucked. 253 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,360 But then, it's also about the men. 254 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,480 We are not only interested in their penises. 255 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,560 We want to see, you know, their arms, their butts, 256 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,600 kind of, how they sweat. 257 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,680 This isn't typical of the rest of the industry. 258 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,480 It's becoming a thing, and it's not only me. 259 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,240 We have many more creators out there, you know? 260 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,120 I do have to remember that this isn't the norm, at the moment. 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,360 No, it's not. And we've got a long way to go. 262 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,360 You can't force people to watch this, instead 263 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,080 of the mass-produced porn. 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,280 I don't have to force people, 265 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,080 because lots of people want to watch it, that's the good thing. 266 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,160 I think that Erika Lust is a vivacious and passionate women 267 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,000 who cares about women, 268 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,680 but personally, I don't believe 269 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,280 that sex should be bought or sold. 270 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,880 I'm not sure that any pornography could, 271 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,000 intrinsically, be ethical. 272 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,840 I think that what we have seen today with Erika Lust, 273 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,480 it doesn't really reflect the industry as a whole. 274 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,480 For a lot of people, this porn is, kind of, inaccessible, 275 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,320 just purely based on the price of it. 276 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,720 I think a lot of people, nowadays, do see porn as just this free thing 277 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,720 that they shouldn't have to pay for. 278 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,720 So, we're going to meet someone who is a very anti-porn. 279 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Her name is Heather. 280 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,600 Even though, maybe, I'm more positive towards porn, 281 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,880 I'm going to listen to her, 282 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,440 I'm going to understand her viewpoint. 283 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,920 Hello. Hi, guys! 284 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,880 Would you like some coffee? 285 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,320 OK, yes. 286 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,000 I was going to say tea. 287 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,920 So, how would you describe your opinions on pornography? 288 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,600 I am very critical of pornography. 289 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,200 I think it's a really serious issue for our time. 290 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,680 Pornography is the very last thing you should be watching. 291 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,920 It's something that we have to take account of, that those images, 292 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,240 those pornographic images are in everybody's heads. 293 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,520 I've come into this experience, 294 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,840 kind of, watching all different types of porn, to now, 295 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,000 my opinion lies in the fact 296 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,000 that I believe ethical porn would be better to view. 297 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Would you then say, "OK, we're going to shut Pornhub down, 298 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,240 "and xHamster, all of those kind of pornography, 299 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,680 "and we'll just have the ethical porn." 300 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,480 I think that's as likely as me saying to a meat-eater, 301 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,160 "We should ban the meat industry completely, 302 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,240 "but you can have tofu." 303 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,360 It isn't going to happen. 304 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,160 So, do you believe that all porn is detrimental, 305 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,240 or can some forms of pornography be liberating? 306 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,880 All pornography is detrimental. 307 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,600 I 100% disagree with you. 308 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,000 Like, you don't see people killing people 309 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,960 after they watch an action film, 310 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,800 you shouldn't rape people if you see rape porn. 311 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,880 The increase of pornography has not decreased sexual violence. 312 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,480 Is that a fact, though? 313 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,240 It's absolutely a fact. 314 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,320 You may not like it, but it's absolutely a fact - 315 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,880 it has not decreased it. 316 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,680 With you saying that, kind of, in your opinion, 317 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,280 the world would be a better place if porn was banned, 318 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,680 don't you feel...? 319 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,200 She didn't say that. 320 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,680 I didn't say that. 321 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,680 That's the vibe I get from you. 322 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,320 This, I have to say, is classic response from somebody 323 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,920 who hears that what I'm doing is telling you off 324 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,880 for your pornography use 325 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,440 and that I want to take it off you. 326 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Mm. 327 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,960 Actually, the justification for that is really quite selfish. 328 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:35,120 Your pleasure is part of a whole larger structural system, 329 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,840 in which women are sacrificed. 330 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,840 But I just feel, like, the world would, 331 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,640 kind of, crumble without porn. 332 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,000 This is such a terrible indictment of masculinity. 333 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000 So, do you think that the best way of achieving 334 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,400 a less pornographic society is through increasing education, 335 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,160 because people are convinced that they need porn? 336 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,640 Young people grow up with this ridiculous idea 337 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,160 that porn is an educational tool. 338 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,800 There's nothing educational about pornography, 339 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,960 I mean, there is only a certain amount of things that people 340 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,920 can do with their bodies. 341 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,400 I feel like everyone's learnt a lot 342 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,160 from you coming and speaking to us today. 343 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,680 Heather was absolutely great. 344 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,400 I think she did a really good job of, you know, 345 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,360 trying to get through to some people 346 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,120 who absolutely would not listen to her in other circumstances. 347 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,880 I feel like she's the type of person 348 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,080 where she's adamant that she's right. 349 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,520 I feel that, yes, she came up with a few good points, 350 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,240 and she, kind of, left me with a lot to think about. 351 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,960 And...I put a lot of things in perspective. 352 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,920 We're going to meet a couple called Eze and Jowy. 353 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,520 They are just ordinary people 354 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,640 making their own porn videos and uploading them. 355 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,640 I'm really keen to find out if this is a more healthy 356 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,320 alternative for porn. 357 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,560 Hello, welcome. Hi! 358 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Come through. 359 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,200 I love home-made pornos. 360 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,000 I make a lot of them at home for my own pleasure. 361 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,640 But how did you go from making home-made pornos to actually feel 362 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,760 confident enough to put it on the internet 363 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,360 to share it with everyone else? 364 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Wow. 365 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,920 Cool. 366 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,040 Hey! 367 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,280 When you do BDSM, is one particular person a sub, 368 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,120 or a dom, or a switch, or do you sort of...? 369 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,640 Yeah, that's good. 370 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,000 I think this is sick. 371 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,400 I love the fact that they're switching up the roles... 372 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,160 Yeah. ..and he is getting tied up. 373 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,640 What do you think? That's beautiful. 374 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,200 Yeah, it was beautiful. 375 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,240 I think it gives it a really nice extra dynamic that maybe 376 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,120 the more hardcore videos aren't non-consensual, 377 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,840 and everyone is safe during your, kind of, sessions. 378 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,880 Do you think this is the future of what porn should be? 379 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,200 It was hot, man, it was really intimate, 380 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,480 it was a really intense. 381 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,760 And, I actually got turned on a little bit, 382 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520 which is mad, because I've not really got that turned on throughout 383 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,240 this whole experience. 384 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,560 I think, you know, when a couple has sex and uploads it - 385 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,040 I really can't see any issue with that. 386 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,280 I think it's the most ethical type of porn you can get. 387 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,640 Moving forward, I think it could be the, 388 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,960 kind of, future of ethical porn. 389 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,160 Throughout this whole journey, 390 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,520 I've been hoping for a, 391 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,160 kind of, revolution in porn. 392 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600 Today, we're going to get the opportunity to script our own 393 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,560 porn film, which, obviously, is something that I've never done 394 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,840 or even thought of doing before. 395 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Hi! Hello. 396 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,440 How are you? Are you OK? Fine, thank you. 397 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,920 Oh, amazing! 398 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,880 All over this. 399 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,040 All over this. 400 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,000 We can discuss about what's going on with our next movie, 401 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,840 and we will film it. 402 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,480 I think we should, maybe, for the story, 403 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,320 focus on the man's pleasure and the woman's pleasure, 404 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,000 and display them both as sexual and confident individuals. 405 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,240 Because, the studio is looking a lot like a, 406 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,200 kind of like a home, we could have 407 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,960 it as one of the couples lives there, 408 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,200 and then, the other two have come for dinner. 409 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,160 I've got a good idea. This is an Airbnb, right? 410 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160 And both couples have booked this Airbnb. 411 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,240 So, when they get there, they're both like, 412 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,640 "No, we've booked this." "No, no, no, we've booked this." 413 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,160 Yeah? 414 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,760 And then they, like, make use of that time, 415 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,800 and then that's how it gets into it. 416 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,640 Boom. 417 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,720 Yeah, I don't really feel 418 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,840 like it's that different 419 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,800 to conventional porn. 420 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320 I think the dynamics of each couple is important, 421 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,280 and also, focusing on not just the female, 422 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,240 but also the male sexuality, 423 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,640 and the male's body, 424 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,360 to display a varied and equal amount of attention on both people. 425 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:54,280 What? Oh, my God. 426 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,800 All over that. 427 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,200 I'm free, I'm definitely free. 428 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840 You're free. OK, cool. 429 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,480 I felt quite apprehensive 430 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,400 because I didn't really want to be involved 431 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,080 in shooting a porn film. 432 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,640 We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you. 433 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Bye. Thank you. 434 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,440 I wanted the group to know that the Towanda Rebels 435 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,200 had actually invited all of us to go to a march tomorrow. 436 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600 So now, everyone has a big choice to make. 437 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,680 I'm going to be going to Madrid tomorrow to join the protest, 438 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,000 protesting violence against women and pornography. 439 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,680 The Towanda Rebels have said that everybody is more than welcome. 440 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,320 But if you want to go and make the film with Irina, 441 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,120 then that's completely up to you. 442 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,280 I'm happy to stay here and be a part of, kind of... 443 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,720 ..putting my influence into creating porn. 444 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,520 I want to leave it on an upbeat note, where I can still feel 445 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,200 like I'm changing things, and not listening to things 446 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,920 that need to be changed. Yeah. 447 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080 Absolutely. I'll march for the both of us. 448 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,280 Thank you! I'd like to join in the march. Thanks. 449 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,600 I think, for me, the most important thing is for men like myself 450 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,880 to show solidarity with feminism, 451 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,400 and, kind of, represent people like me. 452 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,040 To show that it is OK to be a feminist. 453 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,600 I'm crying! 454 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,640 Oh, Cam! 455 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,000 I think that's sick, mate, honestly. 456 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520 I honestly think that's beautiful. 457 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Yeah, for me, it's a no-brainer, 458 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,680 I definitely want to go to the march, 459 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,880 to show solidarity with violence against women. 460 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640 Oh, my God, this is actually really hard! 461 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,640 I want to make something different, and I think this is a good 462 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,640 opportunity for me to do. 463 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,160 So, I love and respect that you guys are marching, 464 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,080 but, yeah, I think I want to be a part of that. Cool. 465 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,680 For me, this is a very difficult decision, 466 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,560 but me, Drew and Ryan are going to go ahead and make sure 467 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,680 this alternative porno that we've put together 468 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,200 is executed exactly as the words say, alternative porno, 469 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,600 and not a normal mainstream video. 470 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,800 I've come on this journey and seen so many bad experiences 471 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,080 and the evil side of porn. 472 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,800 This is my last chance now to, kind of, make some good type of porn. 473 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,240 So, we had a farewell dinner tonight. 474 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,600 What was special for me was the fact that everybody acknowledged 475 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 that through speaking to other people 476 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,520 and listening to other people's views, 477 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,960 their own ideologies had shifted. 478 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920 So, what is everyone thinking about porn now, then? 479 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360 I think the best bit for me of this whole experience, 480 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,240 was actually being introduced to the world of gay porn. 481 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Coming out of it, it made me feel really happy about myself, 482 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280 that I could be introduced into that world 483 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960 and I was still able to just sit there, you know, 484 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,480 and feel fully OK with it. 485 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,960 I think that sex is beautiful, 486 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,480 and I think that a lot of the people are beautiful individuals. 487 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880 But the industry is dark in many ways. 488 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,640 And I've just felt this constant conflict. 489 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,800 So, Nariece, at the start of the trip, we had... 490 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,120 "I really want to be a porn star, you know." 491 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200 To, "You know what, I don't want to be a porn star." 492 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920 And it was like a yo-yo, like, does she want to be a porn star, 493 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,640 or, does she not want to be a porn star? 494 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,200 So, can you please answer that? Do you want to be a porn star today? 495 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,400 No, Drew, I definitely do not want to be a porn star, 496 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,480 OK? OK, great. 497 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,880 If I become a porn star, 498 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,720 I've learnt during this trip, 499 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,440 you will be defined as a porn star, 500 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,920 you won't be able to do much. 501 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400 Sex doesn't own me, porn doesn't own me, 502 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,920 I own me. 503 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 I personally feel, like, we can teach people 504 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,840 about sex in other ways, 505 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720 it doesn't have to be through porn. 506 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,520 And creating a society which is dependent on porn 507 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,160 isn't very good. 508 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 So, after this journey, Ryan, what's your opinion on porn? 509 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,000 Coming into this, like, it, kind of, 510 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600 disgusts me, in a way, the way I thought. 511 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Coming into here, kind of, 512 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520 spending half my life following porn stars 513 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,440 and chatting to porn stars. 514 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480 And I'm just, like, meeting everyone and, kind of, 515 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,600 the experiences, and learning a bit more about people and understanding 516 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,520 them for their feelings, and understanding them for their... 517 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Sorry. It's all right. 518 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Fucking hell. It's all right. 519 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040 I feel like I've learnt so much about myself. 520 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,360 Do you think that's the end of porn fan Ryan? 521 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,800 I think so, yeah. 522 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000 I'm not the easiest person to be around. 523 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080 I were a bit of an idiot before. 524 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,920 And it's amazing to have been a part of this, 525 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,000 and meet these amazing people. 526 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,480 I actually can't wait today to go help Irina. 527 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440 So, today is the final day, 528 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,760 and I'm on my way to make a porno. 529 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560 And I am absolutely buzzing to be a part of it. 530 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,960 I really, really don't want to create, like, 531 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,920 a mainstream, typical porn product 532 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160 because I think that would be a discredit to everyone we've met, 533 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,480 and a discredit to the kind of journey we've all been on. 534 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,640 Are we missing someone? 535 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120 OK, the show must go on, though. 536 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720 So, we want to understand your guys' boundaries, 537 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,600 what you feel comfortable doing. 538 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040 We really want to get to know you guys before you actually 539 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,480 do the performance. 540 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,600 So, basically, today, you're not our props, 541 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,760 you're people, to us. 542 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,680 We'd planned this whole scene where there was two couples, 543 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640 and they were going to have like a consensual, 544 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,000 cool foursome that would, kind of, challenge perceptions 545 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,440 of men and women. 546 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400 But one of the guys didn't turn up, so, we were stuck with a guy 547 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,080 and two girls. 548 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,480 How are you going to make that, kind of, out there? 549 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,880 It's very classic - "Oh, yeah, two girls and a guy in bed." 550 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,400 What about if Liz and Sylvan both, like, 551 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,720 come in and are getting to know the city. 552 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240 Liz and Sylvan could both say that - "We're a bisexual couple, 553 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 "we're both bisexual, we're here for, like..." 554 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,320 fun or whatever. 555 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,840 Whatever we decide, we should always include the actresses 556 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200 and actors - so you go ahead and find out what they think. 557 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,600 OK, I will do. 558 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,480 OK, girls, come on, let's do make-up. 559 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,640 We want to, like, really make sure you guys are feeling comfortable. 560 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160 So, I just wanted to know - what are your boundaries, 561 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440 can I help you feel any more comfortable? 562 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,840 LAUGHTER 563 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,840 Oh, really? 564 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,200 That sounds very mechanical. 565 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,600 Yeah. 566 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Oh, really? 567 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,000 "Hands off the nipples." 568 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,320 We've learnt a lot about performers, and ones that have been treated bad, 569 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,160 and ones who have had a good experience. Mm-hmm. 570 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480 Would you say your experience in the porn industry 571 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,880 has been very positive? 572 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,520 Well, it's... 573 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,800 ..almost positive, 574 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800 but I worked with this producer 575 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160 who has peed on me... He weed on you? 576 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,400 He peed on me. A producer? Yeah! 577 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,320 He asked at the start and I said, "No, I don't do peeing." 578 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960 And he said, "Oh, we can fake it with apple juice", 579 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,680 and I was, like, "OK." 580 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,720 And he put apple juice in my mouth and peed on me here. 581 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,560 I was so mad at him! 582 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,600 So, I've just been given this. 583 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,600 I'm going to start off getting some behind-the-scenes images. 584 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,040 And then once we start, I'm going to start getting 585 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,560 the right angles and... 586 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,080 This is my big moment, yeah, like, "Look, Mum, look what I'm doing." 587 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Today, we're going on the march in Madrid, 588 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,680 fighting violence against women. 589 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200 And making signs and banners that we're going to hold 590 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,840 whilst protesting. 591 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,800 I think I'm going to go with, 592 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,200 "I march with women everywhere." 593 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,720 I think that the violence depicted in porn, 594 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,120 and the way porn represents women, 595 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,520 is something that needs to change. 596 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,480 I'm going to say, "Feminism is for everyone." 597 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,080 Aw, yes! 598 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,400 Caring about the treatment towards women in the porn industry 599 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,000 isn't something to be afraid of, 600 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,240 and is not something that affects anybody's masculinity. 601 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:26,040 Everyone ready? Let's do it. Yay! Yeah? 602 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,920 THEY CHANT 603 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,640 Hey! How are you? 604 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,400 What are they saying about porn? 605 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,680 "Pornography is going to fall, it's going to fall!" 606 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,840 Oh, so we're falling, like porn? 607 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,760 Rise! 608 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,560 I'm so glad that we came here today. 609 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120 Fighting for change in porn, from the outside, 610 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,720 I think is so important. 611 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,000 Yeah, I definitely think we made the right decision. 612 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,440 A lot of porn users, I think, use porn very loosely. 613 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440 And they never even think about the implications it has. 614 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,880 I hope your journey inspires lots of men, 615 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000 who probably just don't give it a second thought. 616 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,960 Yeah. 617 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960 Me being quite new into this movement, it was really amazing, 618 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,600 actually, to be able to, you know, just stand with them in solidarity 619 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,320 and really, kind of, stand up for what we believe in. 620 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,800 To see all these women, and men, of all ages, coming out 621 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,920 on the streets of Madrid to say, "No, we will not tolerate this, 622 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,480 "you will not abuse women in this way," 623 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,440 was just a really... 624 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,800 ..empowering and perfect way for me to finish this trip. 625 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,080 I'm excited. I hope it goes well. 626 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Ready to go. Action! 627 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,920 Hello, guys. 628 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,880 Welcome to your new flat. 629 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,240 Come with me, I want to show you this amazing flat. 630 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Action. 631 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,480 Is there a possibility that someone can show us some places? 632 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,320 Because we are interested more in the night lifestyle. 633 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,680 Ah, I think I know what you mean. 634 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,320 Like, a swingers' club? 635 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400 Yeah, that's pretty much it. 636 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,080 Ah, you could say it like this! 637 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,120 They're concentrating it on the story, but it's still very... 638 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,560 ..mainstream porn. 639 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,400 Personally, I don't really feel like we've been putting in anything. 640 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,840 I think we should just roll with it, 641 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,840 and try and get our point across as, like, all... 642 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,080 As much as we can, that's it. It's all we can do. 643 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,480 Try and influence the way it's filmed, show bisexuality 644 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,920 in a diverse, nice way. At least, if we get one point across, 645 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,120 and it actually gets implemented... 646 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,120 Yeah, that's it. I think that's all we can do, really. 647 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,960 MOANING 648 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000 Is there going to be anything do with the girls, 649 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200 and exploring your sexuality? 650 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,760 Mm-hmm. 651 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,640 I want one girl to be licking him, while he's licking one girl - 652 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000 that's fair. Did you say that? 653 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,360 Yeah, I said that, he said they're doing it. OK. 654 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:28,640 I can't believe I came here instead of doing something else. 655 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,160 The only thing alternative is the girls have got tattoos. 656 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,680 I never thought I'd be so unaroused 657 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480 by mainstream pornography after going on this journey, 658 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,880 but I really am. 659 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,960 So, how did it go? 660 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160 I think it went good. Yeah? 661 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,120 Do you feel that your sexuality got explored in the bedroom? 662 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,160 I would have preferred, like, a little bit more soft... 663 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,920 a little bit of everything. 664 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520 Because, for example, for me, kissing is super-important, 665 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,040 and I thought... There was too much tongue, not kissing. 666 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,240 Exactly. 667 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,240 Thank you, I'm glad you agree. 668 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,720 It wasn't lip with lip, it was more like... 669 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,520 It was more like mainstream. Exactly. 670 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,280 We didn't get as much creative freedom as we would have liked. 671 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960 There was some points where I was like, "Oh, that's a bit fake." 672 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Like, the girls' orgasms - fake. 673 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,360 The way they were going down on each other at times - fake. 674 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,440 I'm kind of left thinking, "You can't really win with porn." 675 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,800 I gave porn one last chance, 676 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,320 and today just made me feel even 677 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,320 worse about how I felt before. 678 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,920 It needed to be more sensual, 679 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,680 the actors needed a little bit of chemistry, 680 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000 that, kind of, never came into place. 681 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,160 And that's why it was just a normal, mainstream porn video. 682 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960 I think alternative porn has got a long way to go. 683 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,960 And the fact that all three of us - Drew, Ryan, and myself - 684 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,480 we all agreed, this is not alternative porn, 685 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,200 this is mainstream, was the most empowering feeling 686 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,000 I've had most of the day. 687 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,280 I've seen sex every day for two weeks. 688 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,160 I'm not planning on watching porn in a long time. 689 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,880 But, when I do, I think that I'll be mixing it up a little bit 690 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,040 and maybe seeking out more ethical forms of porn, 691 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,560 because, I think I've realised I get turned on more by real connections. 692 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,920 So, I'm switching up my habits, 693 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,720 but I'm probably still going to watch porn. 694 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,000 I wouldn't say I've banned porn from my lifestyle. 695 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,600 I've learned it's a tool that I can pick up and put down. 696 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640 Porn can be implemented in a positive way, 697 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,640 but, I also believe it has a long way to come. 698 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,800 The main thing that I've learned about the industry 699 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,600 is that it's pretty cruel. 700 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,400 When I get home, I don't think I'll be watching porn for a while. 701 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680 I feel like I've just been on a massive learning curve. 702 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,360 I'm happy to put that energy that I would use in porn 703 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,240 onto something positive, rather than hiding, 704 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,000 watching porn - like a weirdo. 705 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,240 I think, logically, the idea of filming, 706 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,040 or watching two consenting adults having sex is OK. 707 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,800 But in a wider context, porn, 708 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,800 definitively, to me, is not OK. 709 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,520 Because it reflects, and shapes, societal attitudes towards women, 710 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,800 which, at the moment, are harmful. 711 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,480 I personally don't want to call for an end to porn. 712 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,600 But I think that there needs to be a complete revolution 713 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,800 in the porn industry towards something 714 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,240 that's ethically made, representative of 715 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,920 the people watching it, and what they do. 716 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,960 For the porn industry to change, 717 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,080 it really needs to come from the ground, 718 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,520 and it needs to come from people like myself, 719 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,840 to, kind of, learn more about it and realise the implications 720 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,600 that the porn they're watching does have, you know, 721 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,520 on society. 722 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,720 This is a big issue, and that starts from consumers. 93306

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