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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,365 --> 00:00:27,124 Would you raise your right hand, please? 2 00:00:27,125 --> 00:00:29,444 Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth 3 00:00:29,445 --> 00:00:31,884 - and nothing but the truth, so help you God? - Yeah. 4 00:00:31,885 --> 00:00:34,684 Would you please give us your full name? 5 00:00:34,685 --> 00:00:36,564 Lance Armstrong. 6 00:00:36,565 --> 00:00:39,804 You understand that although we're in the conference room of your lawyers, 7 00:00:39,805 --> 00:00:43,044 you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law? 8 00:00:43,045 --> 00:00:44,964 - Do you understand that? - Correct. 9 00:00:44,965 --> 00:00:48,524 And that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition 10 00:00:48,525 --> 00:00:51,685 - just like they would to a court of law proceeding. - Of course. 11 00:00:53,645 --> 00:00:55,244 There's been allegations 12 00:00:55,245 --> 00:00:58,884 regarding what has been alleged to be a steroid or cortisone in connection... 13 00:00:58,885 --> 00:01:02,484 - What do you mean, a steroid or a cortisone? - Cortisone, I apologise. 14 00:01:02,485 --> 00:01:06,604 - Because they're different. - I understand, believe me. 15 00:01:06,605 --> 00:01:09,605 One is actually anabolic and one is actually catabolic. 16 00:01:12,445 --> 00:01:14,564 Know what they've done with the money? 17 00:01:14,565 --> 00:01:16,324 I just told you I don't know. 18 00:01:16,325 --> 00:01:19,765 - Was it earmarked... - Which part of "I don't know" do you not understand? 19 00:01:22,485 --> 00:01:25,924 - I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. - How many times do I have to say it? 20 00:01:25,925 --> 00:01:28,284 It can't be any clear than "I've never taken drugs." 21 00:01:28,285 --> 00:01:29,844 How clear is that? 22 00:01:38,525 --> 00:01:42,564 His name is Lance Armstrong, and today, if his legs feel strong, 23 00:01:42,565 --> 00:01:44,484 this 21-year-old Texan can become 24 00:01:44,485 --> 00:01:46,645 cycling's first million-dollar baby. 25 00:01:48,445 --> 00:01:50,884 Regardless of the million-dollar prize, 26 00:01:50,885 --> 00:01:53,324 it's been a race that I wanted to win all year long 27 00:01:53,325 --> 00:01:56,924 and now with that staring me in the face, it's an even bigger race. 28 00:01:56,925 --> 00:02:00,764 He's going for his third consecutive victory with only today's four states championship 29 00:02:00,765 --> 00:02:04,044 standing in the way of winning the Thrift Drug Triple Crown - 30 00:02:04,045 --> 00:02:05,364 look out Philadelphia, 31 00:02:05,365 --> 00:02:06,685 Lance is coming to town! 32 00:02:08,645 --> 00:02:11,724 There was this million-dollar prize, if Lance Armstrong 33 00:02:11,725 --> 00:02:14,205 could win, so all the pressure was on him, it was on the team. 34 00:02:16,085 --> 00:02:18,844 Thing is, he was the favourite going in - he was strong, 35 00:02:18,845 --> 00:02:20,324 he was beating up on everybody. 36 00:02:20,325 --> 00:02:22,565 I'll be disappointed with anything but a win. 37 00:02:24,925 --> 00:02:26,764 Lance had the chance to win it. 38 00:02:26,765 --> 00:02:30,965 But he knows, the man to beat that day, it was me. 39 00:02:33,725 --> 00:02:38,764 Philadelphia - it was my race, every year I was preparing for that race. 40 00:02:38,765 --> 00:02:40,844 And Frankie Andreu of Motorola 41 00:02:40,845 --> 00:02:43,044 who has slowed down the brakes... 42 00:02:43,045 --> 00:02:47,324 I remember Lance made a deal with some Italians. 43 00:02:47,325 --> 00:02:49,284 Stephen Swart, 44 00:02:49,285 --> 00:02:54,524 Davis Phinney, Tommy, the team have this deal with Lance. 45 00:02:54,525 --> 00:02:58,765 Lance Armstrong is flying up the wall, making it look almost effortless! 46 00:02:59,725 --> 00:03:03,365 The last three laps is when the race is decided. 47 00:03:04,285 --> 00:03:06,604 That's when Lance starts talking to me, 48 00:03:06,605 --> 00:03:08,924 he wants to make sure that I was in the plan, 49 00:03:08,925 --> 00:03:10,885 didn't want to take any risk. 50 00:03:12,005 --> 00:03:14,364 And he say, "We make a deal, 51 00:03:14,365 --> 00:03:16,644 and I know you're the only one can come with me, 52 00:03:16,645 --> 00:03:18,244 but don't come with me." 53 00:03:18,245 --> 00:03:20,484 And right on cue, Lance is out of the saddle, 54 00:03:20,485 --> 00:03:22,484 pushing himself into a higher gear. 55 00:03:22,485 --> 00:03:26,644 On my heart, on my deep heart, I don't want to do it, 56 00:03:26,645 --> 00:03:30,364 but when you have eight team-mates, you can't go against the team. 57 00:03:30,365 --> 00:03:34,124 The group could do nothing but watch Lance dance away into the lead 58 00:03:34,125 --> 00:03:37,564 as they, compared to Lance, seemed to be standing still. 59 00:03:37,565 --> 00:03:41,645 And so I pulled back and see him going. And he went. 60 00:03:47,885 --> 00:03:50,724 And true to form, Lance doesn't disappoint them. 61 00:03:50,725 --> 00:03:54,604 Cycling's first million-dollar man, US Pro champion! 62 00:03:54,605 --> 00:03:57,124 Deep inside, I feel terrible, because I know I could have, 63 00:03:57,125 --> 00:03:58,644 I could have won it. 64 00:03:58,645 --> 00:04:02,124 For Lance, a joyous celebration with his mother. 65 00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:05,724 The success that Lance has seen and will continue to see 66 00:04:05,725 --> 00:04:09,684 of course makes me very proud, there's not a better gift. 67 00:04:09,685 --> 00:04:13,124 Lance has rolled the dice and come up a winner. 68 00:04:13,125 --> 00:04:16,844 It's a big day for me but I think it's a bigger day for cycling, 69 00:04:16,845 --> 00:04:18,925 everybody won today. 70 00:04:20,085 --> 00:04:22,604 As far as I know, Philly's been going around for 30 years 71 00:04:22,605 --> 00:04:24,524 and I don't think that's ever been done before. 72 00:04:24,525 --> 00:04:26,245 So, that's a huge chunk of change. 73 00:04:29,885 --> 00:04:34,804 After the race, Lance come to my room, 74 00:04:34,805 --> 00:04:40,204 with a cake box, a metal cake box, a Panettone 75 00:04:40,205 --> 00:04:43,325 and he just gave it to me and say "Merry Christmas." 76 00:04:47,365 --> 00:04:49,805 It was, like, $100,000. 77 00:04:51,085 --> 00:04:53,004 Cash. 78 00:04:53,005 --> 00:04:55,725 This was a... This was a Lance Armstrong specialty. 79 00:04:59,325 --> 00:05:01,444 I really want to win a classic. 80 00:05:01,445 --> 00:05:03,644 I mean, if you're going to put a lot of time into it, 81 00:05:03,645 --> 00:05:05,604 if I'm going to be 18, 19, 20 years old 82 00:05:05,605 --> 00:05:07,644 and I'm going to give up an education, 83 00:05:07,645 --> 00:05:09,644 - if I'm going to give up... - That is what you did? 84 00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:12,004 Yeah, if I'm going to give up time at home, 85 00:05:12,005 --> 00:05:15,324 sure, it better be rewarding, in terms of money. 86 00:05:15,325 --> 00:05:17,044 Always in the back of Lance's mind 87 00:05:17,045 --> 00:05:21,404 was that great fortunes can be made in professional road racing. 88 00:05:21,405 --> 00:05:27,404 And for a poor kid growing up, hard scrabble in Texas, it's important. 89 00:05:27,405 --> 00:05:31,845 The next progression is to race in Europe, in the biggest pro races. 90 00:05:34,725 --> 00:05:37,364 Como, Italy, was kind of like the American base. 91 00:05:37,365 --> 00:05:39,964 A lot of 7-Eleven guys were living there, and at that time, 92 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:41,044 Lance and I, 93 00:05:41,045 --> 00:05:43,684 I don't know how we got into the discussion, but we decided, 94 00:05:43,685 --> 00:05:46,844 "Hey, we'll live together for next year" and so I was like, "Sweet. 95 00:05:46,845 --> 00:05:48,604 It'll be good, it'll be fun." 96 00:05:48,605 --> 00:05:51,204 It was great. You know, cooking, having risotto. 97 00:05:51,205 --> 00:05:54,924 I remember eating watermelon out on the balcony and we had this bad little car, 98 00:05:54,925 --> 00:05:56,884 that we used to get around. 99 00:05:56,885 --> 00:05:58,284 I mean, we weren't teenagers, 100 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:00,764 but it was like teenagers just hanging out in Europe. 101 00:06:00,765 --> 00:06:05,684 Frankie was Lance's closest friend, and because I was dating Frankie, 102 00:06:05,685 --> 00:06:09,644 I became friends with Lance as well, and he was fun. 103 00:06:09,645 --> 00:06:11,484 He was fun to hang out with. 104 00:06:11,485 --> 00:06:14,324 And Lance and I had a unique relationship, 105 00:06:14,325 --> 00:06:20,044 because so many people from early on would just kow-tow to him, 106 00:06:20,045 --> 00:06:26,284 but with Lance, he would try to rib me, and try to just get me going, 107 00:06:26,285 --> 00:06:29,844 and so we would butt heads and we would argue. 108 00:06:29,845 --> 00:06:35,805 But we kind of, I think, enjoyed getting under each other's skin. 109 00:06:41,565 --> 00:06:44,004 Hello again, and welcome back to the Tour de France. 110 00:06:44,005 --> 00:06:47,804 We're at Stage 8 this morning and the sun is still shining... 111 00:06:47,805 --> 00:06:50,204 The Tour de France... 112 00:06:50,205 --> 00:06:51,645 ...REALLY hard. 113 00:06:53,285 --> 00:06:57,524 Racing bikes in Europe is bad for you, it's not healthy. 114 00:06:57,525 --> 00:06:59,924 You sacrifice a lot to be successful. 115 00:07:04,765 --> 00:07:07,764 At the Tour de France, I was rooming with Lance, and I was like, 116 00:07:07,765 --> 00:07:10,204 "Lance, this is your day. This is the one you can win." 117 00:07:10,205 --> 00:07:12,604 And he was like, "Really, you think so?" I'm like, "Yeah!" 118 00:07:12,605 --> 00:07:15,084 Armstrong is fifth down the line... 119 00:07:15,085 --> 00:07:16,884 Armstrong has the advantage... 120 00:07:16,885 --> 00:07:18,884 It's got, like, a little 6K climb at the end, 121 00:07:18,885 --> 00:07:21,484 I mean, it's power downhill sprint, it's perfect. 122 00:07:21,485 --> 00:07:23,964 And on that day, the whole team committed, 123 00:07:23,965 --> 00:07:26,004 led him out to the bottom of that climb 124 00:07:26,005 --> 00:07:27,844 and pretty much, "All right, go!" 125 00:07:27,845 --> 00:07:32,284 Armstrong boxed in by Dominique Arnould, who won the first stage of the Tour a year ago. 126 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:35,404 They've pushed Armstrong very, very wide indeed as Pensec goes 127 00:07:35,405 --> 00:07:38,444 and Pensec really isn't a sprinter, this would be a surprise. 128 00:07:38,445 --> 00:07:41,964 Ronan Pensec leading out, now Armstrong goes, on the left of the picture, 129 00:07:41,965 --> 00:07:45,884 Lance Armstrong in his first Tour de France, they all said he was too young, 130 00:07:45,885 --> 00:07:47,925 but he gets it on the line! 131 00:07:49,485 --> 00:07:54,084 We met at the Motorola Hotel, he was only 21 years of age, he was riding 132 00:07:54,085 --> 00:07:55,684 the Tour for the first time 133 00:07:55,685 --> 00:07:58,404 and in that pathetic way of sports writers, 134 00:07:58,405 --> 00:08:00,924 we like to be able to say at some future point, 135 00:08:00,925 --> 00:08:02,004 "Oh, you know, 136 00:08:02,005 --> 00:08:04,644 I interviewed Lance when he was just a kid in his first Tour", 137 00:08:04,645 --> 00:08:06,644 it was going to be like a badge of honour. 138 00:08:06,645 --> 00:08:09,004 That was a lot of fun. That was really - 139 00:08:09,005 --> 00:08:12,284 I think, just the way it went down with the last climb 140 00:08:12,285 --> 00:08:16,444 and guys were attacking and I was so motivated... 141 00:08:16,445 --> 00:08:20,324 When I asked him about what he felt like coming towards the end of race, 142 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:24,764 he said, "Oh, when I get in the situation with the little group of 6 or 8 riders 143 00:08:24,765 --> 00:08:30,244 and I know I've got a real chance of winning" he said, "I start to shriek and my body shakes. 144 00:08:30,245 --> 00:08:34,565 And I think about my mum - she didn't raise a quitter." 145 00:08:38,685 --> 00:08:41,685 I had this sense of a guy who just wouldn't be beaten. 146 00:08:43,365 --> 00:08:46,364 Who through the force of his will and his personality, 147 00:08:46,365 --> 00:08:48,965 became almost somebody different. 148 00:08:49,725 --> 00:08:51,444 There's Dekker on the floor again! 149 00:08:51,445 --> 00:08:53,844 And Lance Armstrong has sprinted the gap closed... 150 00:08:53,845 --> 00:08:56,564 Lance Armstrong, who has joined... 151 00:08:56,565 --> 00:08:59,044 Now he's looking back and seeing nobody 152 00:08:59,045 --> 00:09:01,204 as he become champion of the world. 153 00:09:01,205 --> 00:09:03,524 Lance Armstrong, 21 years of age, 154 00:09:03,525 --> 00:09:08,084 is America's second only World ever Road Race Champion, 155 00:09:08,085 --> 00:09:10,964 beating the greatest man of the moment in world cycling, 156 00:09:10,965 --> 00:09:12,084 Miguel Indurain. 157 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:15,285 He raised a smile there, but I think Miguel, very disappointed. 158 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:20,124 And could it be that we're watching the man 159 00:09:20,125 --> 00:09:22,844 who will replace the great Greg LeMond in the years ahead, 160 00:09:22,845 --> 00:09:24,085 Lance Armstrong now. 161 00:09:31,605 --> 00:09:35,844 Indurain goes now, in what to him will hopefully re-establish him 162 00:09:35,845 --> 00:09:37,284 as the best rider... 163 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:38,604 Through 1993, 164 00:09:38,605 --> 00:09:41,564 the races just increased, the speeds were so dramatic, 165 00:09:41,565 --> 00:09:42,764 it was night and day. 166 00:09:49,765 --> 00:09:52,804 One of the riders was told what was going on in the Spanish team. 167 00:09:52,805 --> 00:09:56,005 The rider just said, "Pfft, you guys have no chance. 168 00:09:57,285 --> 00:10:00,044 We're doing EPO, growth hormone, testosterone. 169 00:10:00,045 --> 00:10:01,524 You'll never make it." 170 00:10:01,525 --> 00:10:05,405 He comes up to the line, 1 hour 50 and 58, 2 minutes precisely! 171 00:10:07,805 --> 00:10:09,924 Well, the way that guy came by... 172 00:10:09,925 --> 00:10:13,244 and that was probably part of the reason that I'm so wasted in the end 173 00:10:13,245 --> 00:10:15,724 because I tried to match his speed 174 00:10:15,725 --> 00:10:21,164 and he goes along the flats 55, 56, 57 K's an hour, I was 53.11. 175 00:10:21,165 --> 00:10:23,005 Getting dropped! 176 00:10:28,525 --> 00:10:32,844 We're talking about the speed of the peloton and this new drug EPO 177 00:10:32,845 --> 00:10:35,444 and talking about Dr. Ferrari. 178 00:10:35,445 --> 00:10:38,924 Lance would have known Ferrari by reputation. 179 00:10:38,925 --> 00:10:43,164 Now he wanted to meet the man and start working with him. 180 00:10:43,165 --> 00:10:46,004 Ferrari had a reputation of being the best in the business. 181 00:10:46,005 --> 00:10:48,404 If you wanted to win races, win the Tour, 182 00:10:48,405 --> 00:10:51,284 you go see this guy and he's going to set you up. 183 00:10:51,285 --> 00:10:54,244 As good as that reputation was, everybody knew that if you went 184 00:10:54,245 --> 00:10:56,284 to see Ferrari, you were going to get doped. 185 00:10:56,285 --> 00:10:59,004 So Lance kept it a secret from everyone for a long time. 186 00:10:59,005 --> 00:11:03,484 And Lance had the intelligence to see that Ferrari was special 187 00:11:03,485 --> 00:11:06,564 in terms of his understanding of physiology, 188 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:09,524 and of the drugs and how they interacted. 189 00:11:09,525 --> 00:11:12,764 With his charisma and his natural intelligence, 190 00:11:12,765 --> 00:11:15,484 Lance was able to endear himself to Ferrari, 191 00:11:15,485 --> 00:11:20,004 become the Adam of what would be Ferrari's creation. 192 00:11:20,005 --> 00:11:22,084 You keep doing your job as Frankenstein 193 00:11:22,085 --> 00:11:26,524 and I'll be the best monster you've ever created. 194 00:11:26,525 --> 00:11:28,844 And Ferrari loved him for that. 195 00:11:28,845 --> 00:11:31,965 You know, the pupil from heaven. 196 00:11:34,165 --> 00:11:36,324 The train just started rolling full blast, 197 00:11:36,325 --> 00:11:38,244 just like, it was just... 198 00:11:38,245 --> 00:11:40,405 reefing across the landscape. 199 00:11:42,285 --> 00:11:44,484 It is, he's gone. Armstrong has gone, 200 00:11:44,485 --> 00:11:47,724 the sort of thing he did in the World Championship at Oslo. 201 00:11:47,725 --> 00:11:50,604 Is this man on the start of his greatest ever season? 202 00:11:50,605 --> 00:11:53,764 Travelling at nearly 40mph, 203 00:11:53,765 --> 00:11:56,284 Armstrong showing enormous determination. 204 00:11:56,285 --> 00:12:01,004 You couldn't develop a product more perfect for the ravages 205 00:12:01,005 --> 00:12:03,165 of endurance athletics than EPO. 206 00:12:05,005 --> 00:12:08,684 Armstrong has done it today. 207 00:12:08,685 --> 00:12:11,084 EPO was done in secret. 208 00:12:11,085 --> 00:12:13,124 You never knew what anybody else was doing. 209 00:12:13,125 --> 00:12:14,364 Even for the top, top guys, 210 00:12:14,365 --> 00:12:17,604 they never knew what the other guy was doing, so everybody thought 211 00:12:17,605 --> 00:12:20,845 they had to do more in order to be able to win, or to keep up. 212 00:12:24,725 --> 00:12:27,164 I was tired of getting beat up on, 213 00:12:27,165 --> 00:12:30,644 tired of getting dropped and watching fat sprinters get over 214 00:12:30,645 --> 00:12:34,364 category-one climbs and win. Getting thrown out the back of the group. 215 00:12:34,365 --> 00:12:37,124 "I'm going to, I'm not going to." You know, sleepless nights, 216 00:12:37,125 --> 00:12:39,244 figuring out, and then... 217 00:12:39,245 --> 00:12:42,884 - You did a great job. - We're going, "That's our Frankie!" 218 00:12:42,885 --> 00:12:45,284 - That's great. Congratulations. - Thanks a lot. 219 00:12:45,285 --> 00:12:48,125 Have you been enjoying the Tour de France? 220 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:52,164 No comment. 221 00:12:52,165 --> 00:12:54,204 Sure enough, eventually I cracked. 222 00:12:54,205 --> 00:12:58,244 Yeah, drove to Switzerland and pretty much just walked 223 00:12:58,245 --> 00:13:01,244 into a pharmacy, just like, could have bought chewing gum. 224 00:13:01,245 --> 00:13:02,404 It was that easy. 225 00:13:02,405 --> 00:13:03,964 But then the punch-up started. 226 00:13:03,965 --> 00:13:07,205 Lance Armstrong, number 61 for the Motorola Team. 227 00:13:08,405 --> 00:13:10,604 When you're racing, you think you're invincible. 228 00:13:10,605 --> 00:13:13,084 You think you can do anything, nothing's going to stop you, 229 00:13:13,085 --> 00:13:15,285 nothing's going to harm you and then all of a sudden... 230 00:13:22,805 --> 00:13:26,284 From the beginning of the Tour, I knew that I was a step off, 231 00:13:26,285 --> 00:13:29,244 and a lot of times when your body is down like that, 232 00:13:29,245 --> 00:13:32,445 then a virus or any illness will move in and take over. 233 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:44,364 That evening the phone rings, and I hear Lance's neighbour 234 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:47,804 on the other end, and he said "Linda, I don't know any easy way 235 00:13:47,805 --> 00:13:51,645 to tell you this, but Lance has been diagnosed with cancer." 236 00:13:53,325 --> 00:13:58,045 It literally crushed every single piece of me on the inside. 237 00:14:00,805 --> 00:14:05,124 On Wednesday October 2nd, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. 238 00:14:05,125 --> 00:14:07,124 Prior to seeing my doctor last week, 239 00:14:07,125 --> 00:14:08,964 I'd been experiencing swelling 240 00:14:08,965 --> 00:14:10,604 and pain in one of my testicles, 241 00:14:10,605 --> 00:14:12,165 and I'd coughed up some blood. 242 00:14:13,565 --> 00:14:15,364 On Thursday October 3rd, I underwent 243 00:14:15,365 --> 00:14:16,884 surgery at St David's hospital 244 00:14:16,885 --> 00:14:19,605 here in Austin, to have the malignant testicle removed. 245 00:14:20,725 --> 00:14:23,564 A CAT scan was also performed the same day. 246 00:14:23,565 --> 00:14:27,405 The CAT scan revealed that my condition has spread into my abdomen. 247 00:14:30,725 --> 00:14:33,564 At the time, I think most people would have suggested, 248 00:14:33,565 --> 00:14:36,604 with the brain metastases and such, 249 00:14:36,605 --> 00:14:41,004 that at best you'd cure maybe one out of three of those people. 250 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:45,684 It was awful, and I thought how in the hell does a guy 251 00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:48,885 who's in such good shape, so young, get cancer? 252 00:14:52,445 --> 00:14:54,724 The first impression I got, 253 00:14:54,725 --> 00:14:57,484 which is the impression I get from a lot of people, 254 00:14:57,485 --> 00:14:59,164 is that he was scared. 255 00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:02,724 He was certainly looking at very primal aspects. 256 00:15:02,725 --> 00:15:05,284 You know, saving his life or not, 257 00:15:05,285 --> 00:15:08,524 and a lot of secondary consequences - his career, 258 00:15:08,525 --> 00:15:11,445 family, future kids. All that. 259 00:15:13,365 --> 00:15:17,404 We wanted to go see Lance, and the time to see him 260 00:15:17,405 --> 00:15:19,204 was after his brain surgery, 261 00:15:19,205 --> 00:15:22,804 and so Frankie and I made the six-hour drive to Indiana. 262 00:15:22,805 --> 00:15:26,724 And that was the first time I'd seen him since the announcement, 263 00:15:26,725 --> 00:15:29,364 and I remember seeing the big horseshoe scar 264 00:15:29,365 --> 00:15:30,645 on the top of his head. 265 00:15:32,485 --> 00:15:34,884 We went into the room and it was a football game, 266 00:15:34,885 --> 00:15:38,124 Dallas Cowboys football game was playing. So he was in there, 267 00:15:38,125 --> 00:15:40,804 his girlfriend at the time Lisa Shields was there, 268 00:15:40,805 --> 00:15:43,684 and Stephanie McIlvain, the rep from Oakley was there. 269 00:15:43,685 --> 00:15:47,404 Chris Carmichael, his coach, was there with Paige, I think. 270 00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:50,004 And the doctors came in, and when the doctors came in... 271 00:15:50,005 --> 00:15:52,684 ...they said, "Oh, you know, we need to ask you some questions." 272 00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:55,124 I said, "We should leave, let him have his privacy." 273 00:15:55,125 --> 00:15:57,564 And Lance said, "No, no, no. Don't worry about it. 274 00:15:57,565 --> 00:16:00,924 You guys can stay, no problem." And I said, "OK, we'll stay." 275 00:16:00,925 --> 00:16:05,324 They asked a few banal questions, and then one of them was. 276 00:16:05,325 --> 00:16:09,564 "Have you ever used any performance-enhancing drugs?" 277 00:16:09,565 --> 00:16:13,964 And Lance, just nonchalantly holding on to his IV, staring down, 278 00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:18,805 rattled off, "Yeah, EPO, testosterone, growth hormone, cortisone and steroids." 279 00:16:20,445 --> 00:16:24,004 And at that point my jaw was, like, holy shit, 280 00:16:24,005 --> 00:16:26,004 because Betsy's sitting right next to me. 281 00:16:26,005 --> 00:16:28,044 I don't know what the hell she's thinking. 282 00:16:28,045 --> 00:16:29,684 And I was like, "We got to go." 283 00:16:29,685 --> 00:16:32,684 And we stood up and walked out of the room, right away. 284 00:16:32,685 --> 00:16:34,444 I was furious, because I said to him, 285 00:16:34,445 --> 00:16:36,204 "That's how Lance got his cancer, 286 00:16:36,205 --> 00:16:38,644 and if you're doing that, I'm not marrying you." 287 00:16:38,645 --> 00:16:41,084 We were just engaged six weeks earlier. 288 00:16:41,085 --> 00:16:43,964 She was upset that he was taking that stuff. 289 00:16:43,965 --> 00:16:47,724 She was crazy, like, if I was taking that stuff, then if you're 290 00:16:47,725 --> 00:16:50,964 taking all that stuff, it obviously is going to affect your health. 291 00:16:50,965 --> 00:16:54,964 Because I thought, "Oh, my gosh, is this going on? 292 00:16:54,965 --> 00:16:58,924 Is everybody doing this?" And Frankie swore to me no. 293 00:16:58,925 --> 00:17:02,124 Had to do with trust, and is she going to marry me? 294 00:17:02,125 --> 00:17:04,524 So, you know, it was, yeah, you know, I think she even 295 00:17:04,525 --> 00:17:07,444 right there on the spot threatened, like, "I'm not marrying you, 296 00:17:07,445 --> 00:17:09,684 if you're doing all that stuff." 297 00:17:09,685 --> 00:17:11,725 I was just ready to call the whole thing off. 298 00:17:16,765 --> 00:17:18,324 Before cancer, 299 00:17:18,325 --> 00:17:21,044 Lance had signed up for the French Team Cofidis. 300 00:17:21,045 --> 00:17:24,244 It wasn't know if he would live or race bikes again. 301 00:17:24,245 --> 00:17:26,524 All of those things were not known. 302 00:17:26,525 --> 00:17:29,964 I still have a ways to go on the bike. 303 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:32,884 Does it sound like some kind of miracle cure? 304 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:36,884 No, it's not a miracle. Everything was... 305 00:17:36,885 --> 00:17:38,964 The therapy was normal therapy. 306 00:17:38,965 --> 00:17:41,645 I had to do just as much as everybody else. 307 00:17:45,125 --> 00:17:49,604 He made the decision to go because they were astonished to see him 308 00:17:49,605 --> 00:17:51,964 there, and then he decided he would carry on to Italy 309 00:17:51,965 --> 00:17:54,964 and see Michele Ferrari, for what would have been 310 00:17:54,965 --> 00:17:58,924 really just a friend-to-friend visit. 311 00:17:58,925 --> 00:18:01,164 That is extraordinary, 312 00:18:01,165 --> 00:18:02,884 because it indicated 313 00:18:02,885 --> 00:18:04,964 that in a relatively short time, 314 00:18:04,965 --> 00:18:07,764 he and Michele Ferrari had become very close, 315 00:18:07,765 --> 00:18:10,844 and it was also a visit to say, 316 00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:15,244 "If I come back and I make a full recovery, I'm going to achieve 317 00:18:15,245 --> 00:18:18,844 everything I ever wanted to achieve, whatever it takes, 318 00:18:18,845 --> 00:18:21,805 and I want you working with me." 319 00:18:24,245 --> 00:18:26,284 The American Mafia. 320 00:18:26,285 --> 00:18:28,564 Took him a long time to find a team 321 00:18:28,565 --> 00:18:31,044 and a structure that would make it worthwhile. 322 00:18:31,045 --> 00:18:34,645 When I tried to come back, there was no interest. None. 323 00:18:37,885 --> 00:18:41,724 And then finally signed the deal with the US Postal Team. 324 00:18:41,725 --> 00:18:44,524 I think that if I were to come back and to win, 325 00:18:44,525 --> 00:18:48,804 and to be successful, I would consider that a complete recovery, 326 00:18:48,805 --> 00:18:50,604 as an athlete. 327 00:18:50,605 --> 00:18:54,124 As much as Lance wanted to win, Thom Weisel wanted to win, 328 00:18:54,125 --> 00:18:57,205 and he was the creator of the US Postal Team. 329 00:18:59,045 --> 00:19:05,084 People talk about Lance being this kind of ruthless alpha male leader. 330 00:19:05,085 --> 00:19:09,324 Thom Weisel was one of those. You know, a ruthless guy. 331 00:19:09,325 --> 00:19:13,604 Lance's first contract was for minimal wages. 332 00:19:13,605 --> 00:19:16,844 Weisel said, "Go out there, win races, 333 00:19:16,845 --> 00:19:20,684 prove you're back competitive and I'll give you a huge bonus." 334 00:19:20,685 --> 00:19:24,085 And he went after those bonuses like, tooth and nail. 335 00:19:30,285 --> 00:19:34,525 Lance, that's 40 seconds on Masolini and one minute and ten seconds. 336 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:42,844 On certain teams, you have riders that are acquaintances. 337 00:19:42,845 --> 00:19:45,244 He was just smiling a minute ago! 338 00:19:45,245 --> 00:19:46,924 Or co-workers. 339 00:19:46,925 --> 00:19:50,284 That '99 Tour Team, we were friends and good friends. 340 00:19:50,285 --> 00:19:52,364 We were just, we were close. 341 00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:55,124 It was a close-knit group of riders. 342 00:19:55,125 --> 00:19:59,244 Hincapie, Livingston, Vande Velde, Lance, 343 00:19:59,245 --> 00:20:01,524 and we would do anything for each other. 344 00:20:01,525 --> 00:20:04,204 I hate the French. Screw the French. 345 00:20:04,205 --> 00:20:07,484 Frankie was on that team, Tyler Hamilton was on that team. 346 00:20:07,485 --> 00:20:09,804 When I got selected to do the team, 347 00:20:09,805 --> 00:20:11,964 I told my parents. I told them to come over 348 00:20:11,965 --> 00:20:14,884 because this is probably the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity 349 00:20:14,885 --> 00:20:16,325 to see me in the Tour de France. 350 00:20:18,765 --> 00:20:22,044 Lance, Kristin, Frankie and I were driving 351 00:20:22,045 --> 00:20:27,524 from Milano to Sanremo, and Lance had to make a stop to see Ferrari, 352 00:20:27,525 --> 00:20:30,444 which was outside of Milano, 353 00:20:30,445 --> 00:20:34,645 in the parking lot of a hotel gas station... 354 00:20:36,125 --> 00:20:37,725 ...in Ferrari's camper van. 355 00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:41,804 And I said, "Why are you meeting him here? 356 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:45,124 Isn't that odd, you meeting Ferrari, your doctor, here?" 357 00:20:45,125 --> 00:20:49,564 He said, "So the fucking journalists don't find out." 358 00:20:49,565 --> 00:20:52,804 And I said, "Well, what's wrong, if the journalists find out?" 359 00:20:52,805 --> 00:20:55,205 And he just looked at me and he glared. 360 00:20:57,405 --> 00:21:00,444 Kristin and I had to waste about an hour 361 00:21:00,445 --> 00:21:03,645 until Lance was done doing his tests with Ferrari. 362 00:21:06,325 --> 00:21:09,244 When he was finished, Lance was pretty excited, 363 00:21:09,245 --> 00:21:12,764 and he said, "My numbers are great." 364 00:21:12,765 --> 00:21:14,164 And then he got in the car, 365 00:21:14,165 --> 00:21:16,924 he looked through his rear view mirror, he looked at me 366 00:21:16,925 --> 00:21:20,044 and he said, "Frankie could get results too, but he's too cheap." 367 00:21:20,045 --> 00:21:22,804 He told me a bunch of times, that I needed to step up, 368 00:21:22,805 --> 00:21:25,764 and I should go see Ferrari. You know, there's no way. 369 00:21:25,765 --> 00:21:29,124 I just felt like if I was even linked as going to see Ferrari, 370 00:21:29,125 --> 00:21:31,565 that automatically meant I was a doper. 371 00:21:34,005 --> 00:21:36,844 The danger about EPO and there in France was, you know, 372 00:21:36,845 --> 00:21:38,764 there was a big bust the year before. 373 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,125 Riders and staff went to jail. 374 00:21:43,985 --> 00:21:46,744 French police raided the hotel rooms of several leading riders 375 00:21:46,745 --> 00:21:48,984 and found stashes of performance-enhancing drugs. 376 00:21:49,485 --> 00:21:52,764 Another leading rider was missing from the line-up, 377 00:21:52,765 --> 00:21:54,044 in police custody... 378 00:21:54,045 --> 00:21:57,404 It was the year after the Festina affair, where a lot of drugs 379 00:21:57,405 --> 00:21:59,044 were caught within a team. 380 00:21:59,045 --> 00:22:01,964 The team couldn't risk taking it to the race. 381 00:22:01,965 --> 00:22:05,965 You know, we'd lose the sponsor right away. 382 00:22:07,885 --> 00:22:11,925 To get EPO for the Tour de France, we came up with a plan. 383 00:22:13,245 --> 00:22:16,044 Well, after last year's sensational Tour de France, 384 00:22:16,045 --> 00:22:18,124 who knows what we can expect this time around. 385 00:22:18,125 --> 00:22:23,564 Departure of the man everybody is talking about, Richard Virenque. 386 00:22:23,565 --> 00:22:25,245 Did you hear that cheer? 387 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,284 The plan had Motor Man involved. 388 00:22:29,285 --> 00:22:32,404 Motor Man was a French... 389 00:22:32,405 --> 00:22:35,124 He used to be a gardener/handyman 390 00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:38,804 for Lance Armstrong. He loved to ride motorcycles. 391 00:22:38,805 --> 00:22:41,004 Back to Abraham Olano, 392 00:22:41,005 --> 00:22:43,524 I think probably the number one favourite now. 393 00:22:43,525 --> 00:22:47,284 He would follow the race, always stay within probably 394 00:22:47,285 --> 00:22:48,924 a half-hour drive from our hotel. 395 00:22:48,925 --> 00:22:51,124 The best finisher of a year ago, Bobby Julich. 396 00:22:51,125 --> 00:22:53,684 He's based everything on this month, the Tour de France, 397 00:22:53,685 --> 00:22:55,884 he wants to be the American winner. 398 00:22:55,885 --> 00:22:59,204 But the man doing great times out on the course, Phil, is Lance Armstrong. 399 00:22:59,205 --> 00:23:02,004 He hasn't been here for a couple of years because of his illness 400 00:23:02,005 --> 00:23:03,085 but he's back now. 401 00:23:04,685 --> 00:23:07,644 Motor Man would basically just wait for a phone call. 402 00:23:07,645 --> 00:23:11,564 The EPO would arrive, you know, in the evening. 403 00:23:11,565 --> 00:23:15,005 He's just about done. 8.18, Chris Boardman. 404 00:23:16,765 --> 00:23:20,844 8 minutes and 12 seconds for Abraham Olano 405 00:23:20,845 --> 00:23:25,484 8.09, Zulle has rewritten the finishing order for now. 406 00:23:25,485 --> 00:23:26,964 And Armstrong coming up now, 407 00:23:26,965 --> 00:23:29,364 can he get off to a great start in the Tour de France? 408 00:23:29,365 --> 00:23:31,684 He is aiming at eight minutes and nine seconds, 409 00:23:31,685 --> 00:23:34,124 he's certainly ahead of Chris Boardman 410 00:23:34,125 --> 00:23:36,044 at this point, my goodness me! 411 00:23:36,045 --> 00:23:38,404 8:02.51, Lance Armstrong, 412 00:23:38,405 --> 00:23:41,845 with that performance, I think may have done enough. 413 00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:53,685 He knew about it. 414 00:23:56,125 --> 00:23:58,245 Johan Bruyneel knew about it. 415 00:24:01,445 --> 00:24:04,164 You were right there in the heart of the Tour de France, 416 00:24:04,165 --> 00:24:06,764 you know? 417 00:24:06,765 --> 00:24:10,564 Thousands and thousands of people around the team camper. 418 00:24:10,565 --> 00:24:13,245 - All the way from Indianapolis! - No time, sorry. 419 00:24:14,445 --> 00:24:17,284 I remember just trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible. 420 00:24:17,285 --> 00:24:21,324 You quickly just stuck it in, got rid of it. 421 00:24:21,325 --> 00:24:24,885 Then it was quickly hidden away, typically in like, a Coke can. 422 00:24:27,245 --> 00:24:28,764 It was nerve-racking, 423 00:24:28,765 --> 00:24:31,684 but yet, at the time, it was kind of exciting too, 424 00:24:31,685 --> 00:24:34,285 cos you were being such a deviant. 425 00:24:35,845 --> 00:24:38,004 Sestriere, the first big mountain day. 426 00:24:38,005 --> 00:24:42,244 Destination's Sestriere, 213 km of distance... 427 00:24:42,245 --> 00:24:45,244 We had a job to set up Lance, to keep him as fresh as possible 428 00:24:45,245 --> 00:24:46,964 till that final climb. 429 00:24:46,965 --> 00:24:51,044 US Postal, where the pace-making up the climb was done by Frankie Andreu. 430 00:24:51,045 --> 00:24:54,324 We had to set the tempo, to be able to keep things together, 431 00:24:54,325 --> 00:24:56,884 and then riding on the front like a drag race, 432 00:24:56,885 --> 00:24:59,484 as hard as we could to the bottom of the climb, 433 00:24:59,485 --> 00:25:02,765 turn and then start riding as hard as I could, like a field sprint. 434 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:08,924 When I was watching the Tour on TV, 435 00:25:08,925 --> 00:25:11,924 I saw Frankie climbing, 436 00:25:11,925 --> 00:25:15,684 leading the pack up a mountain in Sestriere. 437 00:25:15,685 --> 00:25:17,924 He doesn't specialise in sprinting, 438 00:25:17,925 --> 00:25:20,324 he doesn't specialise in mountain climbing. 439 00:25:20,325 --> 00:25:23,084 He just specialises in being the worker bee, 440 00:25:23,085 --> 00:25:28,884 so when Frankie was actually pulling on Sestriere, 441 00:25:28,885 --> 00:25:31,804 it just didn't make sense. 442 00:25:31,805 --> 00:25:34,924 And so I called a friend of mine in Paris, 443 00:25:34,925 --> 00:25:38,204 and I said "Are you seeing what I'm seeing?" 444 00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:41,204 And she said, "Yeah, isn't it great? Frankie's doing wonderful." 445 00:25:41,205 --> 00:25:44,204 "He's doing so well." And I said, "Wonderful, my ass. 446 00:25:44,205 --> 00:25:47,044 He's not a climber, he should not be pulling." 447 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:50,125 An attack there by Armstrong. 448 00:25:52,245 --> 00:25:55,644 Look at the acceleration of this as he chases down those motorbikes. 449 00:25:55,645 --> 00:25:58,044 Five and a half hours he's been pedalling today, 450 00:25:58,045 --> 00:26:00,404 marking everything, never looking distressed 451 00:26:00,405 --> 00:26:02,764 and now he's going to try and tear this race apart. 452 00:26:02,765 --> 00:26:05,404 That was an unbelievable attack, he took a lot of risk to go up 453 00:26:05,405 --> 00:26:08,044 through the inside there. There was hardly any room at all. 454 00:26:08,045 --> 00:26:10,644 Armstrong is so comfortable, he jumped across that gap. 455 00:26:10,645 --> 00:26:12,124 That gap was up to 30 seconds. 456 00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:14,844 We're watching the Sestriere stage, and it was shocking. 457 00:26:14,845 --> 00:26:18,604 It was like, "Oh, my God, he's dropping riders, dropping climbers." 458 00:26:18,605 --> 00:26:22,284 This man has managed to come back from the face of death... 459 00:26:22,285 --> 00:26:25,044 One of the mechanics was right next to me, 460 00:26:25,045 --> 00:26:27,404 and he said, "Il est sur Le jus." 461 00:26:27,405 --> 00:26:30,884 And Armstrong is ripping the legs off this climber right now. 462 00:26:30,885 --> 00:26:33,164 "Il est sur Le jus." Like, he's on the juice. 463 00:26:33,165 --> 00:26:36,044 And I'm like, "What?" He said, "He's on the juice." 464 00:26:36,045 --> 00:26:39,844 He is going faster and faster, and he is going to win this... 465 00:26:39,845 --> 00:26:41,684 I said, "How do you know?" 466 00:26:41,685 --> 00:26:44,124 He said, "Look at his eyes, his breathing. 467 00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:46,565 There's no suffering." 468 00:26:49,805 --> 00:26:51,804 It's almost like whatever they're doing, 469 00:26:51,805 --> 00:26:55,205 they got so much oxygen, it's like they're not feeling the pain. 470 00:27:02,605 --> 00:27:06,845 He's talking on his radio, his phone, and it was surreal. 471 00:27:10,965 --> 00:27:15,284 And the rain starts again as Lance Armstrong conquers Sestriere now. 472 00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:16,884 He heads up towards the line. 473 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,084 Now he's ridden fast and dropped his rivals, mano-a-mano. 474 00:27:20,085 --> 00:27:22,004 This will be some victory salute. 475 00:27:22,005 --> 00:27:24,564 It will be a while before we know if it is as the winner 476 00:27:24,565 --> 00:27:27,804 of the Tour de France, but there are few people in this race now 477 00:27:27,805 --> 00:27:30,804 will doubt that. Lance Armstrong comes across the line 478 00:27:30,805 --> 00:27:35,165 winner today of the mountain stage of the Tour de France. 479 00:27:38,765 --> 00:27:41,285 He is really ripping the race apart. 480 00:27:48,965 --> 00:27:52,284 And so that night after the race I called Frankie, and I said, 481 00:27:52,285 --> 00:27:54,284 "What in the hell was that?" 482 00:27:54,285 --> 00:27:56,684 And he said, "What was what?" 483 00:27:56,685 --> 00:27:59,004 "What are you doing? What are you taking? 484 00:27:59,005 --> 00:28:01,285 I don't believe you. This is bullshit." 485 00:28:02,845 --> 00:28:06,284 There are a lot of secrets, lot of secrets, lot of... 486 00:28:06,285 --> 00:28:09,124 It was almost like I was in this just bizarre movie, 487 00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:11,364 some sort of wild western movie. 488 00:28:15,525 --> 00:28:18,085 But something didn't go right. 489 00:28:21,245 --> 00:28:23,644 It was the UCI really who alerted us. 490 00:28:26,845 --> 00:28:29,284 After winning the prologue, you're tested. 491 00:28:29,285 --> 00:28:31,484 But then everybody saw you speaking to the Italians 492 00:28:31,485 --> 00:28:33,404 so is it just an English language ban? 493 00:28:33,405 --> 00:28:36,284 When Lance was tested for that, when the results came back, 494 00:28:36,285 --> 00:28:39,684 he had high levels of corticosteroids in his system. 495 00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:42,364 Cortisone definitely worked. 496 00:28:42,365 --> 00:28:45,564 You know, you could push through to a whole 'nother level on it, 497 00:28:45,565 --> 00:28:48,924 so over the years, I myself took cortisone many times - 498 00:28:48,925 --> 00:28:52,124 not for injuries, but for performance enhancement. 499 00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,444 Now you're going to speak...? 500 00:28:53,445 --> 00:28:56,645 - Actually, we were looking for you in there. - You were? OK. 501 00:28:58,045 --> 00:29:01,244 Lance had asked us to pick up something from the Spanish doctor in Spain. 502 00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:04,004 What these people need to remember is that I was 503 00:29:04,005 --> 00:29:07,364 the World Champion in 1993 when nobody had heard of drugs. 504 00:29:07,365 --> 00:29:10,364 So I went down to Spain, picked up the product. 505 00:29:10,365 --> 00:29:12,124 That was cloak and dagger. 506 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,244 Nobody had heard of EPO. 507 00:29:14,245 --> 00:29:18,124 Johan, he just kind of passed it as he's walking by, he just passed 508 00:29:18,125 --> 00:29:21,204 it into my hand and said, "Lovely day." Just to make sure I had it. 509 00:29:21,205 --> 00:29:24,644 I've proven my class. I've shown my class, from day one. 510 00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:27,284 Then we were getting back up to the border to go into France, 511 00:29:27,285 --> 00:29:29,884 there's never a queue at this border. 512 00:29:29,885 --> 00:29:32,004 There's no secrets here. 513 00:29:32,005 --> 00:29:36,164 There was a queue. I'd seen what happened after the Festina affair 514 00:29:36,165 --> 00:29:39,924 and I thought, "Oh, God - I could be one of these that got picked up 515 00:29:39,925 --> 00:29:44,124 last year in the Tour," and I must have aged about ten years. 516 00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:46,804 We have the oldest secret in the book - hard work. 517 00:29:46,805 --> 00:29:49,204 So, but luckily enough, we didn't get stopped. 518 00:29:49,205 --> 00:29:51,804 Came back to France and gave Lance the little bottle 519 00:29:51,805 --> 00:29:54,565 in the car park of McDonalds and Frasiers. 520 00:29:58,685 --> 00:30:02,724 We needed to come up with a proper plan that we're on the same page. 521 00:30:02,725 --> 00:30:05,124 So while I'm giving Lance his massage, 522 00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:07,884 the others from the team came in. 523 00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:10,404 The problem that had to be sorted was that Lance 524 00:30:10,405 --> 00:30:13,484 didn't have a prescription for corticosteroids, 525 00:30:13,485 --> 00:30:17,564 so the idea was then that the doctor would write a prescription for that, 526 00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:19,484 but backdate it to pre the prologue, 527 00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:23,285 and just pretend it was a cream that Lance was taking for saddle sores. 528 00:30:34,645 --> 00:30:38,084 And then as we kind of come to the end of the whole conversation 529 00:30:38,085 --> 00:30:40,244 about steroids, Lance just goes, 530 00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:42,444 "Oh, well, now you know enough to bring me down." 531 00:30:42,445 --> 00:30:44,284 The next day was the press conference, 532 00:30:44,285 --> 00:30:46,684 and everything could just blow up in everybody's faces. 533 00:30:46,685 --> 00:30:49,164 To think I'm going to come back into sport and risk my life 534 00:30:49,165 --> 00:30:51,124 with performance-enhancing drugs is crazy. 535 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,604 When I tried to come back to the sport, nobody gave me a chance. 536 00:30:53,605 --> 00:30:54,804 Nobody gave me a chance. 537 00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:57,564 "So he must be doing something", so it's the same mentality. 538 00:30:57,565 --> 00:31:00,524 It's the same mentality, it's consistent through and through. 539 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,804 Tonight, he has some very high-level help 540 00:31:02,805 --> 00:31:05,404 because the UCI, the world governing body of cycling, 541 00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,404 have just released this press communique. 542 00:31:07,405 --> 00:31:09,724 They confirm basically that the rider used an ointment, 543 00:31:09,725 --> 00:31:11,124 and they give the brand name, 544 00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:13,444 and that he also offered them a medical prescription 545 00:31:13,445 --> 00:31:15,804 before his test. 546 00:31:15,805 --> 00:31:18,924 He comes up to the line - 16 seconds, 15, 14, 547 00:31:18,925 --> 00:31:20,844 it is getting desperately close here. 548 00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:22,124 Zulle versus Armstrong, 549 00:31:22,125 --> 00:31:24,564 and Zulle loses! Armstrong is the winner, 550 00:31:24,565 --> 00:31:28,524 he has achieved yet another page in this fairy story 551 00:31:28,525 --> 00:31:31,765 that just goes on. 552 00:31:33,045 --> 00:31:35,364 I'm so proud of my son, always have been, 553 00:31:35,365 --> 00:31:38,644 and the fact that we overcame cancer, and we're here today, 554 00:31:38,645 --> 00:31:40,404 in the yellow jersey. 555 00:31:40,405 --> 00:31:45,164 And when you see him tomorrow in the yellow jersey on the Champs-Elysees? 556 00:31:45,165 --> 00:31:48,085 A picture without words. 557 00:31:55,645 --> 00:31:58,444 ...the winner of the Tour de France, in a big field, 558 00:31:58,445 --> 00:32:01,924 is the American Lance Armstrong, and what a ride that has been. 559 00:32:01,925 --> 00:32:04,204 It will be remembered in the millennium 560 00:32:04,205 --> 00:32:07,364 as one of the finest sporting achievements in the history 561 00:32:07,365 --> 00:32:09,524 of not just cycling, but any sport. 562 00:32:09,525 --> 00:32:14,084 Back in his home state of Texas, they are celebrating a hero. 563 00:32:14,085 --> 00:32:17,004 The most fantastic feeling, we're just so proud of him 564 00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:18,524 and this whole team, they just... 565 00:32:18,525 --> 00:32:20,524 It's absolutely incredible and we're 566 00:32:20,525 --> 00:32:22,284 so excited to celebrate tonight 567 00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:24,324 all of us! 568 00:32:24,325 --> 00:32:27,684 We were talking about how our lives were going to change, 569 00:32:27,685 --> 00:32:31,364 and so I asked the question, 570 00:32:31,365 --> 00:32:34,964 "So, what do you think about EPO, Kristin?" 571 00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:37,084 "Oh, it's a necessary evil." 572 00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:40,484 And I thought, "Oh, my God, 573 00:32:40,485 --> 00:32:42,884 she doesn't care. 574 00:32:42,885 --> 00:32:44,565 She just doesn't care." 575 00:32:47,285 --> 00:32:49,524 - Smile - say cheese! - Howdy! 576 00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:54,284 Congratulations, friend, on behalf of all of us in Texas and America, 577 00:32:54,285 --> 00:32:55,924 we're so proud of you. 578 00:32:55,925 --> 00:33:00,604 He went up and he went up. Lance is on the wheel. 579 00:33:00,605 --> 00:33:02,564 There's Tyler. 580 00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:04,524 Take it easy on camera. 581 00:33:04,525 --> 00:33:07,484 - Luis! - How are you? Are you tired today? 582 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:10,404 No. Be well. 583 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:14,924 Carmichael and Stapleton, unbelievable. They're so serious. 584 00:33:14,925 --> 00:33:18,484 The man, the myth - Johan Bruyneel. 585 00:33:18,485 --> 00:33:20,765 - Say hello to my family. - Hi, family! 586 00:33:22,725 --> 00:33:24,124 In Texas, all eyes were on 587 00:33:24,125 --> 00:33:26,724 American Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong. 588 00:33:26,725 --> 00:33:29,164 A parade was held in his honour in Austin, 589 00:33:29,165 --> 00:33:31,284 Armstrong's adopted hometown. 590 00:33:31,285 --> 00:33:34,365 Many people wore yellow, the colour of the winner's jersey... 591 00:33:41,045 --> 00:33:43,444 ...proclaim July 29 in the city of New York as 592 00:33:43,445 --> 00:33:45,445 Lance Armstrong Day. 593 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:50,004 ...Cycling's biggest prize, the Tour de France, 594 00:33:50,005 --> 00:33:52,764 the first American winner to lead an American team, 595 00:33:52,765 --> 00:33:54,845 and in record time at that. 596 00:33:58,885 --> 00:34:01,924 Nobody believed in us, nobody believed that 597 00:34:01,925 --> 00:34:04,804 if Lance Armstrong took the yellow jersey, with the help of his team, 598 00:34:04,805 --> 00:34:07,124 on stage eight, how could they keep it to stage 22? 599 00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:08,884 They thought the team would crack. 600 00:34:08,885 --> 00:34:11,404 But that team of seven out of nine guys being American, 601 00:34:11,405 --> 00:34:13,164 an American team, an American sponsor, 602 00:34:13,165 --> 00:34:15,524 they were the strongest team in the race. 603 00:34:15,525 --> 00:34:17,644 And everybody in Paris knew that. 604 00:34:17,645 --> 00:34:21,324 And I can assure you that next year's Tour de France, 605 00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:24,485 there will be no, there'll be no doubters. 606 00:34:29,885 --> 00:34:33,444 Welcome to Futuroscope on the outskirts of Poitiers, 607 00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:36,284 and to the 87th running of the Tour de France. 608 00:34:36,285 --> 00:34:41,044 All of a sudden they're talking about this EPO test coming out. 609 00:34:46,005 --> 00:34:50,084 We didn't know exactly when it was coming out, but no longer 610 00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:52,565 could you feel 100% safe. 611 00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:56,444 You take a shot of EPO, you know, 612 00:34:56,445 --> 00:34:59,444 you can get tested the next day or the day after that. 613 00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:02,245 We weren't 100% sure we were going to test negative. 614 00:35:04,325 --> 00:35:07,125 So that's when we did a blood transfusion. 615 00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:13,284 Who was organising all of that? 616 00:35:13,285 --> 00:35:18,124 Lance and Johan Bruyneel, and the doctor, Del Moral, 617 00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:23,564 had told me a couple of days before we made a trip down to Spain. 618 00:35:23,565 --> 00:35:27,444 You know, my first time doing it. 619 00:35:27,445 --> 00:35:31,244 And it seemed kind of, sort of caveman-like. 620 00:35:31,245 --> 00:35:33,564 You know, taking out your own blood, 621 00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:35,965 not seeing it for three or four weeks. 622 00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:43,564 Weather conditions out here really have been atrocious. 623 00:35:43,565 --> 00:35:46,124 It's only around about six or seven degrees Celsius... 624 00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:50,804 The night before our first rest day, we were in this small hotel, 625 00:35:50,805 --> 00:35:55,324 just south of Mont Ventoux, which is a famous climb in France. 626 00:35:55,325 --> 00:35:57,884 20 minutes before it actually happened, 627 00:35:57,885 --> 00:36:00,524 they told me, "We're doing the transfusion." 628 00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:03,485 Re-infuse the blood, tonight. 629 00:36:08,445 --> 00:36:11,564 I arrived in my room and it was pretty wild. 630 00:36:11,565 --> 00:36:14,604 The staff had sort of prepared everything, the doctors. 631 00:36:14,605 --> 00:36:18,044 There was a blood bag taped up on the wall. 632 00:36:18,045 --> 00:36:20,124 You know, a red tube coming down, 633 00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:22,924 a tube filled with blood coming down. 634 00:36:22,925 --> 00:36:27,564 Basically, they, you know, injected me here. 635 00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:30,004 I have pretty small veins, 636 00:36:30,005 --> 00:36:33,124 so the one place that always worked was right there. 637 00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:36,484 And it's, you can see the scars today... 638 00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:39,004 It was a big needle. It's a serious needle. 639 00:36:39,005 --> 00:36:41,245 You don't mess around with those things. 640 00:36:42,445 --> 00:36:45,484 Halfway through it, I'm like, almost shivering, 641 00:36:45,485 --> 00:36:48,924 because, you know, these bags have been, you know, in a refrigerator. 642 00:36:48,925 --> 00:36:51,564 So they're almost like, you know, just taking icy cold water, 643 00:36:51,565 --> 00:36:54,525 nearly a gallon of it, and pouring it down your throat. 644 00:36:56,725 --> 00:36:59,084 I never did, you know, blood transfusions, 645 00:36:59,085 --> 00:37:01,444 growth hormone, whatever. 646 00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:05,004 I wasn't willing to get into a full doping programme. 647 00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:08,764 Betsy was upset, so that was definitely on my mind. 648 00:37:08,765 --> 00:37:11,485 A little bit of being scared of getting caught. 649 00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:14,924 Here is the Devil, 650 00:37:14,925 --> 00:37:17,884 probably wishing some luck to the US Postal riders today... 651 00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:21,604 I think we were all pretty nervous, but almost giddy about it. 652 00:37:21,605 --> 00:37:26,284 We're in the heart of France doing this completely illegal procedure. 653 00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:28,924 US Postal were pace-making by Frankie Andreu, 654 00:37:28,925 --> 00:37:30,564 but he paid the price. 655 00:37:32,065 --> 00:37:34,184 I remember, the third week I was dead. 656 00:37:34,185 --> 00:37:37,784 I mean, barely able to get through it, and just, you know, 657 00:37:37,985 --> 00:37:39,804 it's not an option to quit. That's the only reason I got through it, 658 00:37:40,005 --> 00:37:43,964 but I was getting dropped and in the back, and I was suffering a lot. 659 00:37:44,565 --> 00:37:48,244 I think he'll just about get in but he's aiming at the time 660 00:37:48,245 --> 00:37:52,044 of 15.27. We're watching probably the second-fastest time trial 661 00:37:52,545 --> 00:37:54,064 in the history of the Tour de France... 662 00:37:54,065 --> 00:37:55,284 I had done a lot to help Lance Armstrong, 663 00:37:55,585 --> 00:37:57,224 I had done a lot to help the team, 664 00:37:57,425 --> 00:38:00,384 and I just wanted to race one more year, but they had different thoughts. 665 00:38:00,385 --> 00:38:02,984 Armstrong rocks and rolls his way home here now. 666 00:38:02,985 --> 00:38:07,664 His time is 15.01, he wins the time trial. 667 00:38:07,665 --> 00:38:10,024 Fantastic. I will definitely come back. 668 00:38:10,025 --> 00:38:11,944 I will definitely be back next year. 669 00:38:11,945 --> 00:38:14,744 I don't know how many more years, but definitely be back next year. 670 00:38:14,745 --> 00:38:17,384 He finished 111th, but on Lance's team, 671 00:38:17,385 --> 00:38:22,185 it doesn't pay to finish 111th when you're at the Tour. 672 00:38:24,305 --> 00:38:27,104 I would say, Johan, thanks for giving us the vision, 673 00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:30,225 but we already had the vision, so... 674 00:38:34,185 --> 00:38:37,704 Here we are at this Tour de France party with hundreds of people 675 00:38:37,705 --> 00:38:41,344 and everybody is celebrating the cancer survivor's 676 00:38:41,345 --> 00:38:45,104 incredible win at the most gruelling sporting event in the world. 677 00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:47,504 What wasn't there to celebrate? 678 00:38:47,505 --> 00:38:52,065 It was a fraud. 679 00:39:02,505 --> 00:39:06,344 Stephanie McIlvain wasn't invited to the Tour De France party, 680 00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:08,184 which we found very peculiar 681 00:39:08,185 --> 00:39:11,024 given that she was Lance's personal liaison, 682 00:39:11,025 --> 00:39:16,065 so she went as our guest and we clicked and a friendship was born. 683 00:39:16,945 --> 00:39:21,664 Stephanie had been there with us visiting Lance in Indiana, 684 00:39:21,665 --> 00:39:24,304 and the hospital incident came up, 685 00:39:24,305 --> 00:39:28,104 and Stephanie and I were marvelling at how 686 00:39:28,105 --> 00:39:32,544 Lance was snowballing the American media, 687 00:39:32,545 --> 00:39:35,865 because they were just buying into this fairy tale. 688 00:39:40,865 --> 00:39:43,904 It seemed like it worked, seemed like it worked. 689 00:39:43,905 --> 00:39:47,464 Now, looking back, "Oh, my God, what was I doing?" 690 00:39:47,465 --> 00:39:51,864 But you're so deep into it, you know, you don't even have time 691 00:39:51,865 --> 00:39:55,864 to take a half step back and look at the big picture. 692 00:39:55,865 --> 00:39:57,544 I think if we all stepped back 693 00:39:57,545 --> 00:40:01,184 and looked at the great franchises that have been built... 694 00:40:01,185 --> 00:40:03,744 I'm glad we didn't get caught. 695 00:40:03,745 --> 00:40:05,424 I would have been... 696 00:40:05,425 --> 00:40:07,785 We all would have been. 697 00:40:16,345 --> 00:40:17,784 It became very divided. 698 00:40:17,785 --> 00:40:20,224 You were on Lance's side or you were on my side. 699 00:40:20,225 --> 00:40:22,784 And ultimately, you know, he had control of who was hired, 700 00:40:22,785 --> 00:40:24,025 fired, and whichever. 701 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,704 Frankie was a good guy. 702 00:40:29,705 --> 00:40:31,264 To have your career end 703 00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:34,224 because you wouldn't get on Lance's doping programme? 704 00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:36,384 It's just, it's not right. 705 00:40:36,385 --> 00:40:41,024 Please welcome 1999's ESPY comeback athlete of the year... 706 00:40:41,025 --> 00:40:44,064 We're all in this together, it's going to touch all our lives. 707 00:40:44,065 --> 00:40:47,184 We will win this fight one day. 708 00:40:47,185 --> 00:40:50,024 Lance called me one day 709 00:40:50,025 --> 00:40:52,784 and said, "We're putting together this foundation. 710 00:40:52,785 --> 00:40:55,585 We're going to focus on testicular cancer." 711 00:40:58,185 --> 00:41:02,225 Tour de France, baby. Lance Armstrong. Maillot jaune. 712 00:41:04,625 --> 00:41:09,984 Thank you, Lance, thank you! I love you! 713 00:41:09,985 --> 00:41:13,304 People believed in Lance. They believed in his story, 714 00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:15,024 they believed in his hope. 715 00:41:15,025 --> 00:41:16,584 We're all going to leave, I think, 716 00:41:16,585 --> 00:41:19,104 with a different perspective on this illness, 717 00:41:19,105 --> 00:41:22,304 and a different perspective on this movement called survivorship. 718 00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:24,464 I tip my hat to Lance Armstrong 719 00:41:24,465 --> 00:41:26,345 and to the whole US Postal Team. 720 00:41:30,825 --> 00:41:34,824 The success of the foundation began to grow and succeed, 721 00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:39,024 literally in tandem with Lance's success. 722 00:41:39,025 --> 00:41:41,184 Tour after Tour after Tour. 723 00:41:41,185 --> 00:41:44,424 $15,000. Can we go 20? 724 00:41:44,425 --> 00:41:45,825 Sold, $30,000. 725 00:41:47,785 --> 00:41:52,344 They approached me about exploring the possibility of coming down 726 00:41:52,345 --> 00:41:54,344 and running the foundation. 727 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:55,904 Sold, $56,000. 728 00:41:55,905 --> 00:41:59,184 My motivation, my primary motivation, 729 00:41:59,185 --> 00:42:01,344 in taking that position, 730 00:42:01,345 --> 00:42:04,144 was the fact that I had, 731 00:42:04,145 --> 00:42:05,944 um... 732 00:42:05,945 --> 00:42:09,184 a very personal experience. 733 00:42:09,185 --> 00:42:12,144 I had been diagnosed with cancer. 734 00:42:12,145 --> 00:42:15,464 We believe in life, your life. 735 00:42:15,465 --> 00:42:18,824 Greg LeMond was my friend, and I called him. 736 00:42:18,825 --> 00:42:20,384 And I begged him. 737 00:42:20,385 --> 00:42:23,144 I said, "Steve, you won't make it." 738 00:42:23,145 --> 00:42:27,664 I said, "You are way too ethical. I'm just telling you, don't do it." 739 00:42:27,665 --> 00:42:31,305 But I needed to talk to Lance. 740 00:42:32,305 --> 00:42:36,344 We met at a bar and I said, 741 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:39,464 "Is there ANYTHING that might happen 742 00:42:39,465 --> 00:42:43,304 that would negatively impact 743 00:42:43,305 --> 00:42:47,344 the work of the foundation and me professionally?" 744 00:42:47,345 --> 00:42:50,785 And he put his beer down and looked me in the eye... 745 00:42:52,545 --> 00:42:55,704 ...and said, "Steve, you have NOTHING to worry about. 746 00:42:55,705 --> 00:42:57,464 We're going to have a good ride on this. 747 00:42:57,465 --> 00:42:59,025 This is going to be great." 748 00:43:01,225 --> 00:43:03,024 And there is Armstrong. 749 00:43:03,025 --> 00:43:05,984 He's not looking good, he's all over his machine right now. 750 00:43:05,985 --> 00:43:09,064 He doesn't look good, Phil. He should not be riding so far down the group. 751 00:43:09,065 --> 00:43:11,984 He's obviously having a very hard day. 752 00:43:11,985 --> 00:43:14,704 This is where you have to race alone and Armstrong's gone. 753 00:43:14,705 --> 00:43:16,064 A big move by Lance, this 754 00:43:16,065 --> 00:43:18,824 and no reply coming at all from Jan Ullrich. 755 00:43:18,825 --> 00:43:21,024 Ullrich has got no answer to this. 756 00:43:21,025 --> 00:43:23,464 He's fooled everybody in the Tour de France. 757 00:43:23,465 --> 00:43:25,744 I never expected Armstrong to do this. 758 00:43:25,745 --> 00:43:29,064 He has ripped the field apart and he is climbing now to the... 759 00:43:29,065 --> 00:43:31,624 ...and he was riding to win the Tour de France. 760 00:43:31,625 --> 00:43:33,664 Now are we seeing the foundations 761 00:43:33,665 --> 00:43:37,344 of the man who will win the Tour for the third time in Paris? 762 00:43:37,345 --> 00:43:40,305 "Yes, that's the one I wanted and I've got it." 763 00:43:42,185 --> 00:43:44,584 I had been convinced for some time 764 00:43:44,585 --> 00:43:46,944 that Armstrong worked with Michele Ferrari. 765 00:43:50,625 --> 00:43:53,024 I got the Italian police to help me. 766 00:43:53,025 --> 00:43:55,384 They got me evidence that Lance, 767 00:43:55,385 --> 00:43:59,464 in the space of two years, spent 13 days in the town of Ferrara 768 00:43:59,465 --> 00:44:01,824 and the only reason, if you were Lance Armstrong, 769 00:44:01,825 --> 00:44:04,905 for being in Ferrara, was to see this doping doctor. 770 00:44:12,465 --> 00:44:16,064 He had to do a press conference on the rest day in Pau. 771 00:44:16,065 --> 00:44:17,424 I think this is a clean tour. 772 00:44:17,425 --> 00:44:20,384 And in that press conference, 16 questions go, 773 00:44:20,385 --> 00:44:22,744 no questions about doping and then bang, 774 00:44:22,745 --> 00:44:24,584 first question is asked 775 00:44:24,585 --> 00:44:26,904 and the doping questions then come like a, 776 00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:28,544 like in an avalanche. 777 00:44:28,545 --> 00:44:31,424 And as soon as the question turned to doping, 778 00:44:31,425 --> 00:44:33,664 Lance did something quite strange. 779 00:44:33,665 --> 00:44:35,024 I believe he's an honest man, 780 00:44:35,025 --> 00:44:37,744 I believe he's a fair man and I believe he's an innocent man. 781 00:44:37,745 --> 00:44:40,824 He started fixing his gaze on me. 782 00:44:40,825 --> 00:44:44,504 And even though it was some journalist over here who asked the question, 783 00:44:44,505 --> 00:44:46,584 Lance would refer to me in his answer. 784 00:44:46,585 --> 00:44:50,224 I've never denied the relationship. Even to you. 785 00:44:50,225 --> 00:44:52,065 Um... 786 00:44:53,745 --> 00:44:55,304 People are not stupid. 787 00:44:55,305 --> 00:44:59,384 They say, "Has Lance Armstrong ever tested positive?" No. 788 00:44:59,385 --> 00:45:01,824 "Has Lance Armstrong been tested?" A lot. 789 00:45:01,825 --> 00:45:05,064 But I found that just wholly unconvincing. 790 00:45:07,505 --> 00:45:10,304 Two weeks later, David Walsh called up 791 00:45:10,305 --> 00:45:12,584 and I'm like, "God, I, I don't know what to say." 792 00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:15,464 So I chose my words as well as I could 793 00:45:15,465 --> 00:45:18,904 and I just said, "I'm disappointed he's seeing Ferrari." 794 00:45:18,905 --> 00:45:21,224 And then David posed the question, now, 795 00:45:21,225 --> 00:45:24,504 "If he's clean, would you consider this the greatest comeback 796 00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:27,384 in the history of sport?" And I said, "Absolutely." 797 00:45:27,385 --> 00:45:30,264 And he said, "but what if he isn't?" 798 00:45:30,265 --> 00:45:32,825 I said, "Then it would be the greatest fraud." 799 00:45:35,945 --> 00:45:38,144 After that comment came out, 800 00:45:38,145 --> 00:45:40,784 our whole lives changed in an hour 801 00:45:40,785 --> 00:45:43,025 after that was published. 802 00:45:44,385 --> 00:45:46,144 We went out to dinner 803 00:45:46,145 --> 00:45:49,264 and Lance, he said, "Fucking LeMond. 804 00:45:49,265 --> 00:45:50,344 His comments about Ferrari, 805 00:45:50,345 --> 00:45:53,024 and how he's disappointed that I'm working with Ferrari." 806 00:45:53,025 --> 00:45:56,064 Lance flipped. You know, and at that dinner it was vent session. 807 00:45:56,065 --> 00:45:58,464 "Who does Greg think he is? I'm going to destroy him", 808 00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:00,024 all this kind of stuff. 809 00:46:00,025 --> 00:46:03,144 And I said, "Yeah, but I thought Ferrari's a BAD guy." 810 00:46:03,145 --> 00:46:05,425 And he just looked at me and he glared. 811 00:46:07,785 --> 00:46:11,065 And he said, "I'm going to fuck him over." 812 00:46:18,705 --> 00:46:21,184 Lance returned to the US. 813 00:46:21,185 --> 00:46:24,264 He was scheduled to throw 814 00:46:24,265 --> 00:46:27,584 the opening game baseball at Yankee Stadium. 815 00:46:27,585 --> 00:46:31,144 And he was sitting in his hotel room at the Four Seasons. 816 00:46:31,145 --> 00:46:32,665 He calls Greg LeMond. 817 00:46:36,385 --> 00:46:38,144 We were at bag claim, 818 00:46:38,145 --> 00:46:41,344 Minneapolis airport, I had pulled up outside... 819 00:46:41,345 --> 00:46:43,984 ...and the phone rang 820 00:46:43,985 --> 00:46:46,024 and Greg says, "It's Lance." 821 00:46:46,025 --> 00:46:47,464 He said, "Oh, come on, 822 00:46:47,465 --> 00:46:49,944 your win in '89 was a miracle, just like mine, 823 00:46:49,945 --> 00:46:52,145 in '99", I said, whoa... 824 00:46:53,385 --> 00:46:56,384 That's where you're wrong, buddy, cos mine wasn't a miracle. 825 00:46:56,385 --> 00:46:59,264 I worked my ass off, I barely won by eight seconds. 826 00:46:59,265 --> 00:47:01,904 - No miracle there. - ...by eight seconds. 827 00:47:01,905 --> 00:47:05,704 He said to Greg, "You're telling me YOU never did EPO?" 828 00:47:05,705 --> 00:47:08,944 Absolutely not. "Oh, come on - everybody takes EPO." 829 00:47:08,945 --> 00:47:11,424 And he mentioned drugs that I 830 00:47:11,425 --> 00:47:15,904 never heard of. Hemasist, er, Hemopure, PFC's. 831 00:47:15,905 --> 00:47:18,544 He listed probably ten drugs I'd never heard of. 832 00:47:18,545 --> 00:47:21,264 "Is that what you think I'm on?" I'm like, whoa, um... 833 00:47:21,265 --> 00:47:24,584 You know, he was VICIOUS. 834 00:47:24,585 --> 00:47:27,904 He said, "Well, if you want to throw stones, I'll throw stones." 835 00:47:27,905 --> 00:47:31,704 And he said, "I'll get people, I'll get ten people to say you took EPO." 836 00:47:31,705 --> 00:47:33,144 Holy shit. 837 00:47:33,145 --> 00:47:34,504 And Greg... 838 00:47:34,505 --> 00:47:38,664 just said, "I'm sorry, but if anybody comes out saying I used EPO, 839 00:47:38,665 --> 00:47:40,824 I'm going to know it came from you 840 00:47:40,825 --> 00:47:42,184 and you paid 'em." 841 00:47:44,465 --> 00:47:47,384 Cos I know that Steve was working at Lance Armstrong Foundation, 842 00:47:47,385 --> 00:47:50,224 I called him just to say, you know, "This is what happened to me." 843 00:47:50,225 --> 00:47:52,144 This is Greg LeMond calling. 844 00:47:52,145 --> 00:47:53,944 He was clearly shaken. 845 00:47:53,945 --> 00:47:58,064 And he proceeds over the course of 45 minutes to an hour 846 00:47:58,065 --> 00:48:01,584 telling me exactly what had just transpired. 847 00:48:01,585 --> 00:48:03,824 Including the threat. 848 00:48:03,825 --> 00:48:06,664 The next day, I get a call from Lance. 849 00:48:06,665 --> 00:48:10,104 And he proceeds to tell 850 00:48:10,105 --> 00:48:12,385 of his conversation with Greg. 851 00:48:13,825 --> 00:48:17,024 He was out of control, he was clearly drunk. 852 00:48:17,025 --> 00:48:18,464 We've gotten reports back 853 00:48:18,465 --> 00:48:22,304 that, "Oh, yeah, Greg had a drug and alcohol problem." 854 00:48:22,305 --> 00:48:25,544 I actually had a reporter call and ask me one day, 855 00:48:25,545 --> 00:48:27,744 if Greg had a heroin problem. 856 00:48:27,745 --> 00:48:29,664 What was interesting 857 00:48:29,665 --> 00:48:34,984 is Lance's version was completely different than Greg's version 858 00:48:34,985 --> 00:48:39,184 and it was certainly at that moment in time I thought... 859 00:48:42,505 --> 00:48:44,585 I have been made a fool of. 860 00:48:53,785 --> 00:48:59,864 I packed my car and I drove out of Texas 861 00:48:59,865 --> 00:49:02,064 and the next day I resigned. 862 00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:04,424 Absolutely, I had to learn a lot about the illness 863 00:49:04,425 --> 00:49:06,784 and I had to learn a lot about my options. 864 00:49:06,785 --> 00:49:09,624 Mm-hm. Did you ever consider the option of giving up? 865 00:49:09,625 --> 00:49:10,984 Oh, no. 866 00:49:10,985 --> 00:49:14,064 That's great. That's great. 867 00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:16,144 Because it's not an option, is it? 868 00:49:16,145 --> 00:49:17,705 It's just not an option. 869 00:49:26,345 --> 00:49:28,344 Tyler Hamilton left the team, 870 00:49:28,345 --> 00:49:31,064 because Tyler was incredibly ambitious 871 00:49:31,065 --> 00:49:34,024 and he was resentful of Lance's profile. 872 00:49:34,025 --> 00:49:38,704 He was a... absolutely driven guy, a bit like Lance, 873 00:49:38,705 --> 00:49:43,064 had to win and Tyler thought the only way that I can win the Tour 874 00:49:43,065 --> 00:49:44,744 is to be in another team 875 00:49:44,745 --> 00:49:47,504 and when I go and leave this team 876 00:49:47,505 --> 00:49:49,704 I then am going to get a doping programme 877 00:49:49,705 --> 00:49:53,544 - just as good, if not better than Lance's. - One, two... 878 00:49:53,545 --> 00:49:56,984 There became more stresses, you know, having to 879 00:49:56,985 --> 00:49:59,984 work with my own special doctor there in Spain, 880 00:49:59,985 --> 00:50:01,944 having to organise those trips. 881 00:50:01,945 --> 00:50:04,744 It wasn't the team handling it. 882 00:50:04,745 --> 00:50:07,344 The easy part about the US Postal Service cycling team 883 00:50:07,345 --> 00:50:11,224 for me in terms of doping was it was all kind of taken care of, 884 00:50:11,225 --> 00:50:13,104 like, one-stop shopping. 885 00:50:13,105 --> 00:50:15,184 Stuart O'Grady has moved too far back 886 00:50:15,185 --> 00:50:18,104 and there's been a mass pile-up there, it was Tyler went down, 887 00:50:18,105 --> 00:50:20,744 and the peloton completely crashing on the line. 888 00:50:20,745 --> 00:50:24,184 And if Tyler Hamilton left the team, Lance needed 889 00:50:24,185 --> 00:50:27,584 a young American guy, preferably, to take Tyler's place. 890 00:50:27,585 --> 00:50:29,584 Floyd was the obvious example. 891 00:50:29,585 --> 00:50:32,504 He was talented, he was gritty, he was tough 892 00:50:32,505 --> 00:50:36,224 and he's saying to Johan, I'll do whatever it takes. 893 00:50:36,225 --> 00:50:39,824 We have to make sure that we're not in a situation like Pyrenees, for example. 894 00:50:39,825 --> 00:50:41,624 Floyd will remember that very well. Floyd. 895 00:50:41,625 --> 00:50:45,024 Thanks for pointing that out, yes. I won't forget that any time soon. 896 00:50:45,025 --> 00:50:47,424 You're 27 seconds faster than... 897 00:50:47,425 --> 00:50:49,984 ...and 40 seconds faster than... 898 00:50:49,985 --> 00:50:52,984 Boys, come on, keep it together. We're going to win it. 899 00:50:52,985 --> 00:50:56,064 There was a train here and it was dripping with gravy. 900 00:50:56,065 --> 00:50:57,904 Here they are, a blue train. 901 00:50:57,905 --> 00:51:00,664 And these guys were desperate to mop up as much as they could 902 00:51:00,665 --> 00:51:02,064 for themselves. 903 00:51:02,065 --> 00:51:04,024 Because the financial rewards were huge. 904 00:51:04,025 --> 00:51:06,424 OK, OK, OK, OK! 905 00:51:06,425 --> 00:51:09,584 This is the best team in the world right now. 906 00:51:09,585 --> 00:51:12,864 I saw what I deemed a huge fraud 907 00:51:12,865 --> 00:51:16,544 being played out on a world stage 908 00:51:16,545 --> 00:51:18,384 and there was no place, 909 00:51:18,385 --> 00:51:19,624 no place to turn. 910 00:51:22,105 --> 00:51:24,504 Journalists approached me 911 00:51:24,505 --> 00:51:27,144 and some of them had got questions they'd e-mailed me across 912 00:51:27,145 --> 00:51:30,664 and stuff were very close to what was going on. 913 00:51:30,665 --> 00:51:32,944 All the peloton were on Armstrong's side. 914 00:51:32,945 --> 00:51:35,264 The sponsors are on Armstrong's side. 915 00:51:35,265 --> 00:51:37,265 The UCI were on Armstrong's side. 916 00:51:38,545 --> 00:51:42,064 Everybody had a stake in Lance being a success. 917 00:51:42,065 --> 00:51:45,024 And of course anybody who accused him 918 00:51:45,025 --> 00:51:48,144 was deemed an enemy of the sport. 919 00:51:48,145 --> 00:51:50,104 London sports writer, David Walsh 920 00:51:50,105 --> 00:51:53,504 accuses Armstrong of doping in the book, LA Confidential. 921 00:51:53,505 --> 00:51:55,344 The book, published only in France, 922 00:51:55,345 --> 00:51:58,024 quotes Armstrong's former massage therapist, 923 00:51:58,025 --> 00:52:00,864 who claims she covered up injection marks with make up. 924 00:52:00,865 --> 00:52:03,984 I remember I was sweeping my sitting room floor, 925 00:52:03,985 --> 00:52:05,744 Sky Sports is on. 926 00:52:05,745 --> 00:52:09,064 In the corner of my eye I can see the ticker tape underneath it go, 927 00:52:09,065 --> 00:52:14,224 and it says, "Former Armstrong masseuse, Emma O'Reilly... 928 00:52:14,225 --> 00:52:17,584 spills the beans", blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking... 929 00:52:17,585 --> 00:52:21,744 I have to say my first thought was, I am going to get David Walsh and wring his neck. 930 00:52:21,745 --> 00:52:23,584 I'll say one thing about the book 931 00:52:23,585 --> 00:52:26,664 and especially since our esteemed author is here... 932 00:52:26,665 --> 00:52:30,904 In my view, I think extraordinary accusations 933 00:52:30,905 --> 00:52:33,704 must be followed up 934 00:52:33,705 --> 00:52:35,864 with extraordinary proof. 935 00:52:35,865 --> 00:52:38,944 And they have not come up with extraordinary proof. 936 00:52:38,945 --> 00:52:41,104 Why couldn't it just be proof, 937 00:52:41,105 --> 00:52:44,745 that allegations must be followed up by proof? 938 00:52:46,145 --> 00:52:49,585 And what Lance was saying is that, when you're an icon... 939 00:52:51,265 --> 00:52:54,264 ...who sits as high in the firmament as I do, 940 00:52:54,265 --> 00:52:58,224 you have to have extraordinary proof to bring ME down. 941 00:52:58,225 --> 00:53:01,264 And it was true. What he was saying was right. 942 00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:04,544 Different rules apply to the gods. 943 00:53:04,545 --> 00:53:05,865 And I am a god. 944 00:53:07,545 --> 00:53:09,944 Mr. Armstrong's legal team 945 00:53:09,945 --> 00:53:11,824 was very concerned about the book 946 00:53:11,825 --> 00:53:14,544 and wanted to discredit David Walsh. 947 00:53:14,545 --> 00:53:17,864 They knew one of the sources was likely Betsy Andreu 948 00:53:17,865 --> 00:53:20,424 and they wanted Betsy Andreu and Frankie Andreu 949 00:53:20,425 --> 00:53:24,024 to distance themselves from the book and say Mr. Walsh had it wrong. 950 00:53:24,025 --> 00:53:27,744 Lance told me that his two, his two agents, 951 00:53:27,745 --> 00:53:30,624 Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs wanted to talk with me. 952 00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:31,944 So I was like, OK. 953 00:53:31,945 --> 00:53:34,824 You know, I knew what was coming, I knew what it was going to be about. 954 00:53:34,825 --> 00:53:37,344 He asked me, he said, "Shall I tape the conversation?" 955 00:53:37,345 --> 00:53:39,985 I said, "Hell, yeah, because they'll say it never happened." 956 00:53:42,945 --> 00:53:46,544 We met in the parking lot of the Tour de France start 957 00:53:46,545 --> 00:53:49,544 after everybody had, you know, all the riders had left and so, 958 00:53:49,545 --> 00:53:52,185 I put a tape recorder in my pocket and I tape recorded everything. 959 00:54:02,745 --> 00:54:04,744 Cos I didn't trust these guys, you know. 960 00:54:04,745 --> 00:54:06,784 Still don't trust them. 961 00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,264 They talked about how bad it would be for the sport 962 00:54:09,265 --> 00:54:12,665 if Lance gets in trouble and all this comes out. 963 00:54:17,945 --> 00:54:20,184 They wanted her to sign an affidavit 964 00:54:20,185 --> 00:54:24,425 saying she would never go against Lance Armstrong for the rest of her life. Something crazy. 965 00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:43,984 You can imagine when I brought that up to Betsy, 966 00:54:43,985 --> 00:54:46,264 "So, Bets, they want you to, er, sign something 967 00:54:46,265 --> 00:54:49,104 "saying you'll never sue or go against Lance Armstrong," and it was, 968 00:54:49,105 --> 00:54:50,704 it was just a bunch of cuss words. 969 00:54:50,705 --> 00:54:54,065 Yeah! Because I saw what they were doing. It was ridiculous. 970 00:54:55,545 --> 00:54:58,184 OK, first of all Frankie loses his job 971 00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:01,505 because he won't get on a doping programme and now... 972 00:55:02,945 --> 00:55:07,504 ...they are trying to get me to sign something 973 00:55:07,505 --> 00:55:09,384 to support Lance? 974 00:55:09,385 --> 00:55:12,424 Whom I believe is cheating? It's not going to happen. 975 00:55:12,425 --> 00:55:16,624 There's no argument who the champion is of the Tour de France. 976 00:55:16,625 --> 00:55:18,664 And when I refused... 977 00:55:18,665 --> 00:55:21,104 It's been four times now, how do you differentiate... 978 00:55:21,105 --> 00:55:23,264 It just was not good for Frankie's career. 979 00:55:23,265 --> 00:55:25,024 Thank you, Lance. Thank you. 980 00:55:25,025 --> 00:55:27,944 The yellow jersey is owned by only one man, 981 00:55:27,945 --> 00:55:30,744 as it has been for the last eight days. 982 00:55:30,745 --> 00:55:34,944 Lance Armstrong benefited from SCA and Bob Hammond paying 983 00:55:34,945 --> 00:55:37,304 an enormous amount of prize money for him, 984 00:55:37,305 --> 00:55:41,584 winning races that Lance Armstrong swore he won cleanly. 985 00:55:41,585 --> 00:55:44,304 ...as he races the line to the victory... 986 00:55:44,305 --> 00:55:47,984 Total amount to Lance if he won all of the Tour de France races 987 00:55:47,985 --> 00:55:49,544 came close to almost $10 million. 988 00:55:49,545 --> 00:55:51,784 Lance, well done. Back for more next year? 989 00:55:51,785 --> 00:55:53,944 Ha, ha. Probably. 990 00:55:53,945 --> 00:55:58,104 When somebody consistently goes against the odds, 991 00:55:58,105 --> 00:56:00,024 the evidence is that perhaps 992 00:56:00,025 --> 00:56:02,064 the odds aren't what you think they are 993 00:56:02,065 --> 00:56:04,824 and something else is present 994 00:56:04,825 --> 00:56:06,624 and quite often that's cheating. 995 00:56:08,225 --> 00:56:11,224 He is down the ramp for the last time in his career. 996 00:56:11,225 --> 00:56:14,864 I've decided that the Tour de France will be my last race 997 00:56:14,865 --> 00:56:16,184 as a professional cyclist. 998 00:56:16,185 --> 00:56:19,704 It is the picture we will never see again. 999 00:56:19,705 --> 00:56:23,104 A rider in yellow we've come to know since 1999. 1000 00:56:23,105 --> 00:56:25,464 You won't believe what the crowd are doing here. 1001 00:56:25,465 --> 00:56:28,104 They are leaping in every direction 1002 00:56:28,105 --> 00:56:31,424 as Lance Armstrong brings it to an end as a winner. 1003 00:56:31,425 --> 00:56:33,584 History in the making, he now retires 1004 00:56:33,585 --> 00:56:36,024 seven times a winner of the Tour De France. 1005 00:56:36,025 --> 00:56:38,504 Lance Armstrong! 1006 00:56:38,505 --> 00:56:40,304 The last thing I'll say for the people 1007 00:56:40,305 --> 00:56:41,824 that don't believe in cycling, 1008 00:56:41,825 --> 00:56:44,144 the cynics and the skeptics, 1009 00:56:44,145 --> 00:56:45,624 I'm sorry for you, 1010 00:56:45,625 --> 00:56:47,264 I'm sorry you can't dream big, 1011 00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:49,424 and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles, 1012 00:56:49,425 --> 00:56:50,824 but this is one hell of a race. 1013 00:56:50,825 --> 00:56:53,464 This is a great sporting event and you should believe. 1014 00:56:53,465 --> 00:56:55,144 And, er... 1015 00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:58,344 Vive La Tour. For ever. Thank you. 1016 00:57:07,945 --> 00:57:10,824 Good morning, this begins video tape number one, 1017 00:57:10,825 --> 00:57:14,264 in the arbitration matter of Lance Armstrong et Al 1018 00:57:14,265 --> 00:57:17,544 versus SCA Promotions Incorporated et Al. 1019 00:57:17,545 --> 00:57:21,184 Bob Hamman kind of basically felt that he'd been duped, 1020 00:57:21,185 --> 00:57:25,024 he'd already paid Lance, I think four and a half million at that time, 1021 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,944 he baulked at paying the last $5 million bonus. 1022 00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:30,464 Mr. Armstrong, my name is Jeff Tillotson, I represent... 1023 00:57:30,465 --> 00:57:34,664 It became a law suit and over the course of about a year and a half, 1024 00:57:34,665 --> 00:57:37,104 we took depositions, which is sworn testimony, 1025 00:57:37,105 --> 00:57:39,184 we ploughed through records. 1026 00:57:42,345 --> 00:57:45,864 The day before the SCA deposition, I received a phone call from him. 1027 00:57:45,865 --> 00:57:47,984 "Just calling to see how you're doing." 1028 00:57:47,985 --> 00:57:50,544 I hadn't talked to the guy in like, four years, you know 1029 00:57:50,545 --> 00:57:53,304 and saying, "Ah, you know I heard this is, 1030 00:57:53,305 --> 00:57:55,424 Kathy LeMond said this, that Betsy said this." 1031 00:57:55,425 --> 00:57:57,904 He was prying for information and questions 1032 00:57:57,905 --> 00:58:01,184 and trying to say, "Hey, I'm here." 1033 00:58:01,185 --> 00:58:02,944 I'm right at your door. 1034 00:58:02,945 --> 00:58:05,264 And then he showed up at the door step. 1035 00:58:05,265 --> 00:58:07,384 So when I showed up, 1036 00:58:07,385 --> 00:58:10,504 I saw Lance walking in the hallway 1037 00:58:10,505 --> 00:58:12,704 and I thought, "Oh, my gosh." 1038 00:58:12,705 --> 00:58:15,384 She was so nervous, she was literally shaking, 1039 00:58:15,385 --> 00:58:17,544 because there she was, to give a deposition 1040 00:58:17,545 --> 00:58:20,584 and Lance Armstrong had flown from Austin, 1041 00:58:20,585 --> 00:58:23,864 on his private jet to watch her testify about him 1042 00:58:23,865 --> 00:58:27,224 and she knew exactly what kind of message he was trying to send. 1043 00:58:27,225 --> 00:58:31,064 There was a long table in the conference room 1044 00:58:31,065 --> 00:58:35,104 and it was me and my lawyer 1045 00:58:35,105 --> 00:58:37,344 and Lance. 1046 00:58:37,345 --> 00:58:39,545 - I was furious. - Why? 1047 00:58:40,985 --> 00:58:44,464 So I saw what Lance was doing, how he was on his BlackBerry, 1048 00:58:44,465 --> 00:58:46,464 how he was on his computer. 1049 00:58:46,465 --> 00:58:48,185 Because... 1050 00:58:49,625 --> 00:58:51,744 It WASN'T a lie. 1051 00:58:51,745 --> 00:58:54,984 I'm not going to say somebody is lying when they are not lying. 1052 00:58:54,985 --> 00:58:57,544 She was the first witness who effectively said, 1053 00:58:57,545 --> 00:59:00,704 "I don't care what happens to me. I'm going to tell the truth." 1054 00:59:00,705 --> 00:59:02,384 First, tell me where you were. 1055 00:59:02,385 --> 00:59:05,184 Michel's. It's a restaurant in Villefranche. 1056 00:59:05,185 --> 00:59:07,384 I had never been in a deposition before, 1057 00:59:07,385 --> 00:59:09,264 so when I didn't remember something, 1058 00:59:09,265 --> 00:59:12,544 a restaurant, I had leaned over and I asked Lance. 1059 00:59:12,545 --> 00:59:15,744 - It is Villefranche, isn't it, Lance? - Objection. Well... 1060 00:59:15,745 --> 00:59:18,304 "You can't do that, hold it, hold it, you can't do that." 1061 00:59:18,305 --> 00:59:21,584 So it was, I was just answering questions honestly. 1062 00:59:21,585 --> 00:59:24,584 I just would like you to recount what took place 1063 00:59:24,585 --> 00:59:27,105 in the Indiana University Hospital... 1064 00:59:28,545 --> 00:59:31,224 The doctor asked him a couple of questions 1065 00:59:31,225 --> 00:59:33,825 and then came the question, have you ever... 1066 00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:38,504 ...taken any performance-enhancing drugs? 1067 00:59:38,505 --> 00:59:42,384 And Lance said, yes. The doctor said, "What were they?" And he said, 1068 00:59:42,385 --> 00:59:47,824 "EPO, growth hormone, cortisone, steroids and testosterone." 1069 00:59:47,825 --> 00:59:50,304 Did any medical person ask you 1070 00:59:50,305 --> 00:59:52,504 while you were at the Indiana University Hospital 1071 00:59:52,505 --> 00:59:53,984 whether you had ever used 1072 00:59:53,985 --> 00:59:57,584 - any sort of performance-enhancing drugs or substances? - No. 1073 00:59:57,585 --> 01:00:00,464 Can you offer, can you help explain to me 1074 01:00:00,465 --> 01:00:03,504 why Miss Andreu would make that story up? 1075 01:00:03,505 --> 01:00:06,184 Well, she said in her deposition she hates me. 1076 01:00:06,185 --> 01:00:10,384 I don't know how the doctor phrased the question, but Lance's response was that he had taken EPO 1077 01:00:10,385 --> 01:00:12,185 and testosterone... 1078 01:00:13,265 --> 01:00:15,544 ...and growth hormone 1079 01:00:15,545 --> 01:00:17,265 and cortisone. 1080 01:00:18,505 --> 01:00:21,425 Why would Mr. Andreu say the same things, if you know? 1081 01:00:22,745 --> 01:00:24,824 Probably to support his wife, which... 1082 01:00:24,825 --> 01:00:27,624 I don't know if you're married or not, but... I am. 1083 01:00:27,625 --> 01:00:30,944 ...sometimes is... required. 1084 01:00:30,945 --> 01:00:35,784 So your testimony that Mr. Andreu was also lying when he said 1085 01:00:35,785 --> 01:00:39,105 - that he heard you say those things regarding your prior use? - 100%. 1086 01:00:44,905 --> 01:00:47,984 - But I feel for him. - What do you mean by that? 1087 01:00:47,985 --> 01:00:50,185 I think he's trying to back up his old lady. 1088 01:00:52,385 --> 01:00:54,504 Frankie Andreu was under 1089 01:00:54,505 --> 01:00:58,064 extremely difficult circumstances at that particular point in time, 1090 01:00:58,065 --> 01:01:00,344 all of which was a result of Lance Armstrong. 1091 01:01:00,345 --> 01:01:03,744 Did Mr. Armstrong ever tell you during that time period 1092 01:01:03,745 --> 01:01:06,424 that he definitely was not going to use EPO 1093 01:01:06,425 --> 01:01:08,584 and no-one else should use EPO? 1094 01:01:08,585 --> 01:01:10,104 No. 1095 01:01:10,105 --> 01:01:13,104 Did he indicate to you that he was going to use EPO 1096 01:01:13,105 --> 01:01:14,825 - or consider using EPO? - No. 1097 01:01:21,385 --> 01:01:25,344 He said openly and to the public that Betsy was crazy. 1098 01:01:25,345 --> 01:01:29,224 They implied behind the scenes that Betsy wasn't believable 1099 01:01:29,225 --> 01:01:32,544 and perhaps unstable. Everything you can possibly think of 1100 01:01:32,545 --> 01:01:35,904 as a way to hurt someone, they basically employed. 1101 01:01:35,905 --> 01:01:38,545 And what is it you told Frankie after leaving the room? 1102 01:01:41,225 --> 01:01:42,825 I... 1103 01:01:55,025 --> 01:01:59,784 His modus operandi, which was, "Don't attack the message." 1104 01:01:59,785 --> 01:02:01,344 "Attack the messenger." 1105 01:02:01,345 --> 01:02:04,144 So, if people don't know me, people are going to say, 1106 01:02:04,145 --> 01:02:06,784 "Well, wait a minute, who is this woman? 1107 01:02:06,785 --> 01:02:11,504 Her husband stopped racing early. If he was so good, why did he do that? 1108 01:02:11,505 --> 01:02:16,264 If Lance is dirty, then why hasn't the governing body caught him? 1109 01:02:16,265 --> 01:02:20,944 Why does USA Cycling back him? Why do his sponsors back him? 1110 01:02:20,945 --> 01:02:24,264 Why does he keep getting more and more money from him? 1111 01:02:24,265 --> 01:02:27,544 How come none of these doctors, who allegedly heard 1112 01:02:27,545 --> 01:02:31,304 what happened in the hospital room, how come they're remaining quiet? 1113 01:02:31,305 --> 01:02:35,224 How come nobody has backed her up for that hospital room? 1114 01:02:35,225 --> 01:02:38,024 Look at his legions of fans. 1115 01:02:38,025 --> 01:02:40,704 He has a foundation fighting cancer. 1116 01:02:40,705 --> 01:02:44,744 What is this woman doing beside raising her own kids? 1117 01:02:44,745 --> 01:02:46,784 His problem was never with Frankie." 1118 01:02:46,785 --> 01:02:49,224 And after Mr. Armstrong told the doctor 1119 01:02:49,225 --> 01:02:53,184 he was using certain performance enhancing drugs, did your husband 1120 01:02:53,185 --> 01:02:56,384 ever tell you, "That's wrong, he hasn't done those drugs?" 1121 01:02:56,385 --> 01:02:59,224 Not your husband, but Mr. Armstrong? 1122 01:02:59,225 --> 01:03:00,225 No. 1123 01:03:07,265 --> 01:03:09,344 How could it have taken place 1124 01:03:09,345 --> 01:03:12,104 when I've never taken performance-enhancing drugs? 1125 01:03:12,105 --> 01:03:15,064 - How could that have happened? - That's my point. It's not just simply 1126 01:03:15,065 --> 01:03:17,344 - you don't recall? - How many times do I have to say it? 1127 01:03:17,345 --> 01:03:20,144 I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. 1128 01:03:20,145 --> 01:03:23,624 Well, if it can't be any clearer than, "I've never taken drugs," 1129 01:03:23,625 --> 01:03:26,024 then incidents like that could never have happened. 1130 01:03:26,025 --> 01:03:27,385 OK. How clear is that? 1131 01:03:30,065 --> 01:03:34,104 These are things that are so devious, if untrue, but so powerful 1132 01:03:34,105 --> 01:03:37,784 when you use with people that makes you a compelling liar. 1133 01:03:37,785 --> 01:03:40,464 I'll give you an example. Bad liar - Richard Nixon. 1134 01:03:40,465 --> 01:03:43,264 Sweaty, looks suspicious, said goofy things 1135 01:03:43,265 --> 01:03:45,544 when people challenged him, "I'm not a crook." 1136 01:03:45,545 --> 01:03:47,504 Great liar - Lance Armstrong. 1137 01:03:47,505 --> 01:03:51,544 "I never doped. I passed every test. And anyone who challenges me, 1138 01:03:51,545 --> 01:03:54,584 I'm currently suing and are proving they're lying." 1139 01:03:54,585 --> 01:03:55,744 That's a good liar. 1140 01:03:55,745 --> 01:03:58,584 Greg, who... 1141 01:03:58,585 --> 01:04:01,344 I know has serious drinking and drug problems, 1142 01:04:01,345 --> 01:04:05,224 was clearly intoxicated, yelling, screaming. 1143 01:04:05,225 --> 01:04:09,024 It started off as, you know, "Hey, Greg, I thought we were friends." 1144 01:04:09,025 --> 01:04:11,504 "Friends?! What do you mean friends?!" 1145 01:04:11,505 --> 01:04:15,424 He said, "Well, if you want to throw stones... I can throw stones..." 1146 01:04:15,425 --> 01:04:19,464 He went after his reputation, his livelihood 1147 01:04:19,465 --> 01:04:23,824 - and his way of life. - Well... let me see... 1148 01:04:23,825 --> 01:04:27,744 being called potentially the biggest fraud in the history of the sport... 1149 01:04:27,745 --> 01:04:29,624 That was a little bit upsetting. 1150 01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:32,824 He's set out to destroy me every step of the way. 1151 01:04:32,825 --> 01:04:36,624 I lost, er, a company that did $20 million in sales in the US. 1152 01:04:36,625 --> 01:04:37,984 Oh, he, you know, he said, 1153 01:04:37,985 --> 01:04:40,624 "The sport is full of crooks and thieves and liars." 1154 01:04:40,625 --> 01:04:43,584 I've been at trade shows, where dealers that said... 1155 01:04:43,585 --> 01:04:46,544 I would see and that I knew and they wouldn't even... 1156 01:04:46,545 --> 01:04:48,304 They wouldn't even look at me. 1157 01:04:48,305 --> 01:04:49,704 He didn't like that either. 1158 01:04:49,705 --> 01:04:53,584 How could this be? How could it be that my career 1159 01:04:53,585 --> 01:04:57,024 collide with this guy and then he takes everything away from me? 1160 01:04:57,025 --> 01:05:00,184 We also wanted to believe... 1161 01:05:00,185 --> 01:05:01,665 ...in Lance. 1162 01:05:04,545 --> 01:05:07,585 And it was hard to find out that it wasn't... 1163 01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:14,264 I don't know why I'm crying, but it was really hard to find out that... 1164 01:05:14,265 --> 01:05:16,264 this was going on. 1165 01:05:16,265 --> 01:05:19,184 It's been awful stressful. 1166 01:05:19,185 --> 01:05:23,424 If I'd known for a second, I wouldn't have done it. 1167 01:05:23,425 --> 01:05:27,624 They were very, very mean and very dismissive of Emma O'Reilly 1168 01:05:27,625 --> 01:05:30,544 as they were really almost of all the women 1169 01:05:30,545 --> 01:05:33,184 that testified against Mr. Armstrong. 1170 01:05:33,185 --> 01:05:36,664 Afraid that we were going to out her as a... 1171 01:05:36,665 --> 01:05:39,784 All these things she said. As a whore or whatever. I don't know. 1172 01:05:39,785 --> 01:05:42,904 - Primarily... - You don't talk about people like that! 1173 01:05:42,905 --> 01:05:45,224 And also to... By calling me those names, 1174 01:05:45,225 --> 01:05:47,384 calling me basically an alcoholic prostitute, 1175 01:05:47,385 --> 01:05:49,384 it's just attacking me personally, 1176 01:05:49,385 --> 01:05:53,464 but it's not addressing the points that I brought up. 1177 01:05:53,465 --> 01:05:57,104 You know, and that's probably what upset me the most over it all. 1178 01:05:57,105 --> 01:05:59,984 Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly state your testimony 1179 01:05:59,985 --> 01:06:03,024 - shall be the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth? - I do. 1180 01:06:03,025 --> 01:06:06,264 We had been told that Stephanie McIlvain 1181 01:06:06,265 --> 01:06:10,824 would testify that, yes, she heard Mr. Armstrong admit to drug use, 1182 01:06:10,825 --> 01:06:13,184 so we went out to depose her in California 1183 01:06:13,185 --> 01:06:15,704 at her place of business, which was Oakley. 1184 01:06:15,705 --> 01:06:19,584 - What kind of things do you do? - I take care of, er... 1185 01:06:19,585 --> 01:06:22,944 Well, I take care of Lance Armstrong and cycling also. 1186 01:06:22,945 --> 01:06:25,744 She called us up and she was in tears. 1187 01:06:25,745 --> 01:06:29,024 "Lance called me! Lance is pissed!" 1188 01:06:29,025 --> 01:06:31,504 And I thought, "Oh, my God!" 1189 01:06:31,505 --> 01:06:33,784 I said, "You're going to lie, Stephanie." 1190 01:06:33,785 --> 01:06:35,504 "You're going to lie to keep your job." 1191 01:06:35,505 --> 01:06:37,424 Stephanie needed that job. 1192 01:06:37,425 --> 01:06:41,024 Her husband worked for Oakley. HE needed the job. 1193 01:06:41,025 --> 01:06:44,064 She's got a young son who's autistic. 1194 01:06:44,065 --> 01:06:46,464 They were in an extremely difficult position. 1195 01:06:46,465 --> 01:06:48,264 Where you ever in a hospital room, 1196 01:06:48,265 --> 01:06:51,224 or other part of the hospital with Mr. Armstrong, 1197 01:06:51,225 --> 01:06:55,184 - where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs? - No. 1198 01:06:55,185 --> 01:06:59,944 Er, do you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence 1199 01:06:59,945 --> 01:07:05,064 asking Mr. Armstrong, er, if he used in the past 1200 01:07:05,065 --> 01:07:08,864 - any performance-enhancing drugs or substances? - No. 1201 01:07:08,865 --> 01:07:12,664 Betsy was going to be thrown under the bus and I finally told her. 1202 01:07:12,665 --> 01:07:17,264 I said, "Betsy... I recorded her and I have a tape." 1203 01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,945 I'm doing well. 1204 01:08:18,745 --> 01:08:20,305 I agree. 1205 01:08:22,945 --> 01:08:25,224 This recording was done well before her deposition, 1206 01:08:25,225 --> 01:08:28,664 so all we could conclude from that was someone got to her. 1207 01:08:28,665 --> 01:08:30,904 Because she clearly changed her testimony. 1208 01:09:10,905 --> 01:09:14,704 Once I made that recording public to the Lance Armstrong side, 1209 01:09:14,705 --> 01:09:17,264 saying, "I think you've monkeyed with this witness," 1210 01:09:17,265 --> 01:09:19,504 literally all hell broke loose. 1211 01:09:19,505 --> 01:09:23,464 I said, "You lied, didn't you?" I just had this bad feeling. 1212 01:09:23,465 --> 01:09:25,544 "You lied, didn't you, Stephanie?" 1213 01:09:25,545 --> 01:09:27,984 "Pat was told, if I make the company look bad, 1214 01:09:27,985 --> 01:09:31,144 that we'll both lose our jobs. We can't afford to lose our jobs, Betsy. 1215 01:09:31,145 --> 01:09:33,144 We don't have college degrees. 1216 01:09:33,145 --> 01:09:35,825 Where are we going to go? What are we going to do?" 1217 01:09:37,225 --> 01:09:39,944 She made her bed. She made her decision. 1218 01:09:44,425 --> 01:09:46,905 That's a foul! Wow! 1219 01:10:26,425 --> 01:10:28,945 So, our relationship was over. 1220 01:10:31,145 --> 01:10:34,064 If you have a doping offence, or you test positive, 1221 01:10:34,065 --> 01:10:37,264 it goes without saying that you're fired, from all of your contracts, 1222 01:10:37,265 --> 01:10:39,584 not just the team, but there's... 1223 01:10:39,585 --> 01:10:44,264 numerous contracts that I have that would all go away. 1224 01:10:44,265 --> 01:10:49,304 - Sponsorship agreements, for example? - All of them! And... 1225 01:10:49,305 --> 01:10:52,824 The faith... of all the cancer survivors around the world, 1226 01:10:52,825 --> 01:10:55,665 so everything I do off of the bike would go away, too. 1227 01:10:57,745 --> 01:11:01,184 And don't think for a second I don't understand that. 1228 01:11:01,185 --> 01:11:03,544 Either everyone who I had talked to, 1229 01:11:03,545 --> 01:11:06,104 and all the evidence I had gathered, and all the scientists 1230 01:11:06,105 --> 01:11:10,824 and other people were liars, which I found frankly impossible, 1231 01:11:10,825 --> 01:11:13,984 or Lance approached basically a clinical sociopath. 1232 01:11:13,985 --> 01:11:16,584 Someone able to do wrong without remorse, 1233 01:11:16,585 --> 01:11:19,704 er, or care as to who they hurt in the process. 1234 01:11:19,705 --> 01:11:23,224 Er, the former was unpalatable. The latter, er, was scary. 1235 01:11:23,225 --> 01:11:27,464 That we were litigating with someone who would do anything to prevail. 1236 01:11:27,465 --> 01:11:28,985 It's not about money for me. 1237 01:11:30,625 --> 01:11:34,104 Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me 1238 01:11:34,105 --> 01:11:37,344 over the years, so all of that would be erased, so I don't need it 1239 01:11:37,345 --> 01:11:40,384 to say in a contract, "You're fired if you test positive." 1240 01:11:40,385 --> 01:11:43,184 That's not as important 1241 01:11:43,185 --> 01:11:46,265 as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people. 1242 01:11:47,705 --> 01:11:50,584 That's an easy question. 1243 01:11:50,585 --> 01:11:55,344 The SCA case was settled on really what it said in the contract. 1244 01:11:55,345 --> 01:11:57,864 Lance has always followed the rules of the Tour de France 1245 01:11:57,865 --> 01:11:59,504 and he's won seven times. 1246 01:11:59,505 --> 01:12:01,904 Every time he wins, and he's a certified winner, 1247 01:12:01,905 --> 01:12:03,584 he's followed the rules 1248 01:12:03,585 --> 01:12:06,224 and Tailwind has had an obligation to pay him. 1249 01:12:06,225 --> 01:12:10,464 After all, he was still officially the Tour de France winner. 1250 01:12:10,465 --> 01:12:15,224 That was really the question and, if SCA went forward with that case, 1251 01:12:15,225 --> 01:12:17,144 it would have been a big risk. 1252 01:12:17,145 --> 01:12:20,784 So they ended up paying Armstrong $7 million 1253 01:12:20,785 --> 01:12:21,864 to settle it. 1254 01:12:24,305 --> 01:12:26,544 We just paid. 1255 01:12:26,545 --> 01:12:29,024 Lance slipped past the gates 1256 01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:31,264 and... said, 1257 01:12:31,265 --> 01:12:33,745 "Time to fold your tent, boys." 1258 01:12:35,825 --> 01:12:37,904 Floyd Landis used to ride alongside 1259 01:12:37,905 --> 01:12:41,144 Lance Armstrong on the US Postal Service for three years. 1260 01:12:41,145 --> 01:12:45,424 They've split up in a little bit of, er, disenchantment. 1261 01:12:45,425 --> 01:12:48,344 Well, Floyd Landis has launched an attack. 1262 01:12:48,345 --> 01:12:53,144 He's trying to ride all of these men off. Surely with eight minutes... 1263 01:12:56,145 --> 01:12:58,784 ...he is one of the great riders of this race once again. 1264 01:12:58,785 --> 01:13:03,504 This is one of the most incredible performances I've seen. It's fine... 1265 01:13:03,505 --> 01:13:06,184 Is it nice to come out of the shadows of Armstrong 1266 01:13:06,185 --> 01:13:08,224 in such a golden style? 1267 01:13:08,225 --> 01:13:10,424 Yeah! Again, I've said many times 1268 01:13:10,425 --> 01:13:13,904 I was one of the lucky ones to be part of his seven wins. 1269 01:13:18,785 --> 01:13:22,544 Yet another doping scandal hits the very top of the Tour de France. 1270 01:13:22,545 --> 01:13:24,264 Floyd, right here! 'Yes, the winner 1271 01:13:24,265 --> 01:13:27,264 of this year's prestigious cycling race, Floyd Landis, 1272 01:13:27,265 --> 01:13:29,584 has tested positive for testosterone. 1273 01:13:29,585 --> 01:13:32,744 It's the first time in the Tour de France's history that a winner... 1274 01:13:32,745 --> 01:13:37,024 When I look back now, nobody on that team was ever positive. 1275 01:13:37,025 --> 01:13:41,464 No positives. The moment they left, every rider that was a competitor, 1276 01:13:41,465 --> 01:13:44,784 that Armstrong didn't like, boom, they're positive. 1277 01:13:47,665 --> 01:13:49,944 Remember, it's not a race... 1278 01:13:49,945 --> 01:13:51,704 It's been an amazing year. 1279 01:13:51,705 --> 01:13:54,664 I stood up here last year and everybody at their table 1280 01:13:54,665 --> 01:13:58,144 had little pieces of yellow silicon sitting there. 1281 01:13:58,145 --> 01:14:00,984 And somewhere along the way, 50 million of them were sold. 1282 01:14:00,985 --> 01:14:03,944 Um... 1283 01:14:03,945 --> 01:14:05,264 Woo! 1284 01:14:05,265 --> 01:14:07,064 What showed up in your sample? 1285 01:14:07,065 --> 01:14:09,904 Nothing. 1286 01:14:09,905 --> 01:14:13,224 - Were you doping at the Tour de France? - No. 1287 01:14:13,225 --> 01:14:17,864 I told Frankie, "I can't believe nobody's ever asked you 1288 01:14:17,865 --> 01:14:21,744 whether or not you've ever done anything or tried anything. 1289 01:14:21,745 --> 01:14:25,024 But if somebody does, I'm not going to be one of the wives 1290 01:14:25,025 --> 01:14:27,784 who stand by you as you lie. I'm not going to do it." 1291 01:14:27,785 --> 01:14:30,024 I raced for 12 years as a professional. 1292 01:14:30,025 --> 01:14:32,624 I used EPO at a... at a certain moment. 1293 01:14:32,625 --> 01:14:36,024 There are many people out there that worry - whether they have cancer 1294 01:14:36,025 --> 01:14:38,744 in their families or not - that cancer is going to get them. 1295 01:14:38,745 --> 01:14:41,104 It's the scariest disease there is. 1296 01:14:41,105 --> 01:14:43,584 - And we think we're making a difference. - I agree. 1297 01:14:43,585 --> 01:14:47,904 One of my biggest accomplishments was raising my son Lance. 1298 01:14:47,905 --> 01:14:51,505 I am so proud to be the mom of Lance Armstrong. 1299 01:14:53,825 --> 01:14:58,184 We will lose more than 560,000 Americans to cancer this year. 1300 01:14:58,185 --> 01:15:02,224 Landis was stripped of his title and banned from the sport for two years. 1301 01:15:02,225 --> 01:15:05,744 It's time for a government that wages a war against cancer 1302 01:15:05,745 --> 01:15:08,744 as aggressive as the war cancer wages against us. 1303 01:15:08,745 --> 01:15:12,624 We will beat this dreaded disease, and we will win. 1304 01:15:15,025 --> 01:15:18,864 The longer it went on, the more impressed I am that Lance 1305 01:15:18,865 --> 01:15:23,024 could maintain a story like that that was nearly 100% fabricated. 1306 01:15:23,025 --> 01:15:27,224 And still live such an obnoxious life. 1307 01:15:27,225 --> 01:15:29,224 And not even try to hide it. 1308 01:15:29,225 --> 01:15:32,585 I mean, I'm a guy that he's never really even met... 1309 01:15:40,065 --> 01:15:44,464 Mr. President, you've been a long-time friend of mine. 1310 01:15:44,465 --> 01:15:47,184 Thank you. Thank you for being a friend and for allowing us 1311 01:15:47,185 --> 01:15:51,024 to be here to talk about this critical, er, issue. 1312 01:15:51,025 --> 01:15:53,224 As some of you may or may not know, 1313 01:15:53,225 --> 01:15:56,784 I've decided to race my bicycle again. 1314 01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,544 Um... 1315 01:15:58,545 --> 01:15:59,785 It... 1316 01:16:01,385 --> 01:16:04,304 Lance came back, because he couldn't stay away. 1317 01:16:04,305 --> 01:16:08,144 Please welcome seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong. 1318 01:16:09,905 --> 01:16:13,624 Why couldn't he stay away? Because it's like 1319 01:16:13,625 --> 01:16:17,304 the oldest theme in Hollywood that you've ever come across. 1320 01:16:17,305 --> 01:16:23,384 The jewel thief, the bank robber, the assassin. 1321 01:16:23,385 --> 01:16:27,424 They do their jobs brilliantly. They win every time. 1322 01:16:27,425 --> 01:16:29,344 They kill all the people they should kill, 1323 01:16:29,345 --> 01:16:31,384 they get all the jewels they should get, 1324 01:16:31,385 --> 01:16:33,664 they get all the money from the bank they should get. 1325 01:16:33,665 --> 01:16:35,905 Somebody comes and says, "One more job." 1326 01:16:40,065 --> 01:16:44,224 Just one more little turn of the carousel. 1327 01:16:44,225 --> 01:16:47,544 And they can't resist. 1328 01:16:47,545 --> 01:16:53,104 Because that was them living like they'd never lived before 1329 01:16:53,105 --> 01:16:54,825 or they will never live again. 1330 01:16:57,665 --> 01:17:00,504 I cannot guarantee a victory this time, I'm not... What? 1331 01:17:00,505 --> 01:17:02,105 Please stop your whining. 1332 01:17:09,065 --> 01:17:11,104 I'd made several requests to interview Lance, 1333 01:17:11,105 --> 01:17:12,464 especially when he announced 1334 01:17:12,465 --> 01:17:14,984 that he was going to be different this time with the media, 1335 01:17:14,985 --> 01:17:16,784 that he was going to be open and transparent 1336 01:17:16,785 --> 01:17:19,824 and there wasn't going to be any of the stuff that had gone on before 1337 01:17:19,825 --> 01:17:22,184 where he had been very, very difficult. 1338 01:17:22,185 --> 01:17:24,664 And I baited him. 1339 01:17:24,665 --> 01:17:29,624 Lance, we've spoken recently about the return of Ivan Basso 1340 01:17:29,625 --> 01:17:34,344 and Floyd Landis after their suspensions. 1341 01:17:34,345 --> 01:17:38,784 What is it about these dopers that you seem to admire so much? 1342 01:17:38,785 --> 01:17:40,464 Excuse me? What is your name again? 1343 01:17:40,465 --> 01:17:43,024 My name is Paul Kimmage, I work for The Sunday Times. 1344 01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,944 I asked for an interview, but I didn't get one. 1345 01:17:45,945 --> 01:17:49,104 Right, and just as a little preface, I might just clear up one thing. 1346 01:17:49,105 --> 01:17:52,104 The reason you didn't get it, Paul, I wanted to make sure that was you, 1347 01:17:52,105 --> 01:17:55,024 because I don't know what you look like... 1348 01:17:55,025 --> 01:18:00,384 When I decided to come back for what I think is a very noble reason, 1349 01:18:00,385 --> 01:18:06,104 you said, "Folks, the cancer has been in remission for four years, 1350 01:18:06,105 --> 01:18:08,585 but our cancer has now returned." 1351 01:18:10,265 --> 01:18:12,584 Meaning me. 1352 01:18:12,585 --> 01:18:14,744 I am here to fight this disease. 1353 01:18:14,745 --> 01:18:16,824 I am here so that I don't have to deal with it, 1354 01:18:16,825 --> 01:18:18,344 you don't have to deal with it, 1355 01:18:18,345 --> 01:18:21,584 none of us have to deal with it, my children don't have to deal with it. 1356 01:18:21,585 --> 01:18:24,184 But yet you said that I am the cancer. 1357 01:18:24,185 --> 01:18:26,184 So, I think it goes without saying, 1358 01:18:26,185 --> 01:18:29,464 no, we're not going to sit down and do an interview. 1359 01:18:29,465 --> 01:18:31,784 And I don't think anybody in this room 1360 01:18:31,785 --> 01:18:33,584 would sit down for that interview. 1361 01:18:33,585 --> 01:18:35,944 You are not worth the chair that you're sitting on 1362 01:18:35,945 --> 01:18:37,424 with a statement like that. 1363 01:18:37,425 --> 01:18:40,825 With a disease that touches everybody around the world. 1364 01:19:01,945 --> 01:19:04,024 Getting back to the Tour Of California... 1365 01:19:09,625 --> 01:19:12,104 Armstrong, shades of his seven victories 1366 01:19:12,105 --> 01:19:15,424 in the Tour de France, he's got happy memories of the Pyrenees 1367 01:19:15,425 --> 01:19:17,944 and they're all coming back now. 1368 01:19:17,945 --> 01:19:22,024 When Floyd has lost all his money, fighting his ban, 1369 01:19:22,025 --> 01:19:24,384 and he calls up Johan Bruyneel and says, 1370 01:19:24,385 --> 01:19:27,224 "Look, will you get me on your team? I need a place." 1371 01:19:27,225 --> 01:19:31,384 And Lance and Bruyneel, both kindred spirits 1372 01:19:31,385 --> 01:19:35,104 in terms of having no emotional intelligence, 1373 01:19:35,105 --> 01:19:37,744 decide they don't want to have anything to do with Floyd - 1374 01:19:37,745 --> 01:19:40,184 he's just a loser, he got caught. 1375 01:19:40,185 --> 01:19:43,624 They don't realise that they're... they're actually 1376 01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,664 handling a ticking bomb here. 1377 01:19:46,665 --> 01:19:50,744 Floyd has offered them the chance to diffuse the bomb. 1378 01:19:50,745 --> 01:19:53,184 To just take out that little pin or whatever, 1379 01:19:53,185 --> 01:19:56,425 give him a little, small job in the team, everything is OK. 1380 01:19:58,025 --> 01:20:01,385 They tell him to get lost and the bomb blows up in their faces. 1381 01:20:03,585 --> 01:20:05,384 And when he saw Armstrong, 1382 01:20:05,385 --> 01:20:08,984 who he knew from the first day he'd entered the sport was doped, 1383 01:20:08,985 --> 01:20:11,384 who had shown Floyd how to dope 1384 01:20:11,385 --> 01:20:13,984 and all he sees is this fucking shit everywhere, 1385 01:20:13,985 --> 01:20:16,744 "Hope rides again." "The Great God." 1386 01:20:16,745 --> 01:20:19,384 "The Jesus of cycling is coming back." 1387 01:20:19,385 --> 01:20:23,504 And all the spectators are getting down on bended knee 1388 01:20:23,505 --> 01:20:27,384 and he's thinking, "This is not right. This sticks in my throat." 1389 01:20:27,385 --> 01:20:29,425 "I fucking am going to sort this out." 1390 01:20:31,185 --> 01:20:34,024 At least now I've confirmed that there's nothing else to lose. 1391 01:20:34,025 --> 01:20:36,624 Nothing. There's nothing in it for me in cycling. 1392 01:20:36,625 --> 01:20:38,144 There's no team for me. There's... 1393 01:20:38,145 --> 01:20:41,984 No matter what I do, it's going to be worse and worse until I leave. 1394 01:20:41,985 --> 01:20:43,985 Eventually, the levee breaks. 1395 01:20:48,185 --> 01:20:51,504 Tonight, Landis and others once close to Lance 1396 01:20:51,505 --> 01:20:54,944 go on camera for the first time for our special report - 1397 01:20:54,945 --> 01:20:56,224 "Did Lance Cheat?" 1398 01:20:56,225 --> 01:20:57,984 At some point people have to tell 1399 01:20:57,985 --> 01:20:59,985 their kids that Santa Claus isn't real. 1400 01:21:01,545 --> 01:21:03,345 I hate to be the guy to do it, but... 1401 01:21:04,705 --> 01:21:06,464 ...it's just not real. 1402 01:21:06,465 --> 01:21:08,225 You're saying Lance Armstrong is a liar? 1403 01:21:09,505 --> 01:21:13,784 Yes, I suppose if that's the question, yes. 1404 01:21:13,785 --> 01:21:16,064 We have somebody that's been under oath several times 1405 01:21:16,065 --> 01:21:17,784 with a completely different version. 1406 01:21:17,785 --> 01:21:19,584 You have somebody that has written a book 1407 01:21:19,585 --> 01:21:21,304 with a completely different version. 1408 01:21:21,305 --> 01:21:24,264 You have somebody that took people's money for their defence, 1409 01:21:24,265 --> 01:21:27,344 some would say a million dollars, with a completely different version. 1410 01:21:27,345 --> 01:21:31,264 He said he has nothing, he's got no proof. It's his word versus ours. 1411 01:21:31,265 --> 01:21:34,344 We like our word, we like where we stand, we like our credibility. 1412 01:21:34,345 --> 01:21:38,584 As Lance Armstrong prepares for his final weekend at the Tour de France, 1413 01:21:38,585 --> 01:21:41,824 a federal investigation into alleged doping by him 1414 01:21:41,825 --> 01:21:45,624 and his former team threatens to tarnish his golden image. 1415 01:21:45,625 --> 01:21:48,784 The investigation was sparked by allegations by former friend 1416 01:21:48,785 --> 01:21:51,424 and team-mate Floyd Landis. 1417 01:21:51,425 --> 01:21:56,104 At the end of July, I got a phone call from Jeff Novitzky 1418 01:21:56,105 --> 01:21:58,864 and one of the first questions I asked him was, 1419 01:21:58,865 --> 01:22:01,104 "What's taken you so long to call me?" 1420 01:22:01,105 --> 01:22:03,024 It was scary, because that whole, 1421 01:22:03,025 --> 01:22:05,424 "This is Jeff Novitzky, federal agent..." 1422 01:22:05,425 --> 01:22:07,864 It put the holy terror of God in you. 1423 01:22:07,865 --> 01:22:11,744 Novitzky was able to bring these guys into a room. 1424 01:22:11,745 --> 01:22:13,864 He would open up his coat and, 1425 01:22:13,865 --> 01:22:16,464 "Oh, sorry I didn't mean you to see my gun..." 1426 01:22:16,465 --> 01:22:19,864 That's what they do. And then he takes his sheriff's badge out, 1427 01:22:19,865 --> 01:22:23,064 drops it on the table, in case you forget that he's a cop, 1428 01:22:23,065 --> 01:22:24,504 and then he says to you, 1429 01:22:24,505 --> 01:22:27,104 "You know, if you lie to us, 1430 01:22:27,105 --> 01:22:29,424 it'll be perjury. 1431 01:22:29,425 --> 01:22:31,824 And we will know you're lying to us, 1432 01:22:31,825 --> 01:22:34,264 because of all we know about this case. 1433 01:22:34,265 --> 01:22:38,145 And then we will go after you and you'll end up doing prison time." 1434 01:22:41,505 --> 01:22:44,944 A subpoena means you come in. There's no question. 1435 01:22:44,945 --> 01:22:48,424 You go in and you tell the truth in front of the Grand Jury. 1436 01:22:48,425 --> 01:22:50,064 No lawyer by your side. 1437 01:22:50,065 --> 01:22:52,144 I probably told them more stuff, more detail, 1438 01:22:52,145 --> 01:22:55,104 than what I had revealed to anybody else before. 1439 01:22:55,105 --> 01:22:58,064 You know, the information kind of started trickling out of me 1440 01:22:58,065 --> 01:23:01,744 and then, after 15 minutes or so, it just poured out of me. 1441 01:23:01,745 --> 01:23:05,625 I don't think they were expecting any kind of testimony like they got. 1442 01:23:08,585 --> 01:23:11,304 Lance Armstrong didn't appreciate that. 1443 01:23:11,305 --> 01:23:13,864 A few months later, I was out at dinner with some friends 1444 01:23:13,865 --> 01:23:20,024 and... he must have had eyes on me, because he had people contact him 1445 01:23:20,025 --> 01:23:24,624 and let him know where I was, and he, you know, approached me, 1446 01:23:24,625 --> 01:23:26,584 and tried to intimidate me. 1447 01:23:26,585 --> 01:23:29,304 He said he was going to make my life a living hell - 1448 01:23:29,305 --> 01:23:32,025 both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom. 1449 01:23:35,465 --> 01:23:38,264 Lance was really pissed that Greg questioned why 1450 01:23:38,265 --> 01:23:40,024 he was working with Ferrari. 1451 01:23:40,025 --> 01:23:44,544 He helped call the shots. Yes, he doped himself. 1452 01:23:44,545 --> 01:23:46,104 If he didn't win the Tour, 1453 01:23:46,105 --> 01:23:48,344 someone else that was doped would have won the Tour. 1454 01:23:48,345 --> 01:23:51,224 I really felt happy at that moment, because I thought, 1455 01:23:51,225 --> 01:23:53,424 that's it. There is no way back now 1456 01:23:53,425 --> 01:23:55,904 because Floyd had given chapter and verse 1457 01:23:55,905 --> 01:23:59,864 and I thought the tide was now irreversible. 1458 01:23:59,865 --> 01:24:03,744 Lance Armstrong handed me some testosterone patches. 1459 01:24:03,745 --> 01:24:06,104 It's just a little patch that you put on your skin. 1460 01:24:06,105 --> 01:24:10,344 They can't say that. Nobody is that conniving. 1461 01:24:10,345 --> 01:24:12,104 Nobody is that good, 1462 01:24:12,105 --> 01:24:15,865 to try and get away with something for 17, 18, 19 years, no way. 1463 01:24:17,585 --> 01:24:19,064 No. 1464 01:24:19,065 --> 01:24:22,624 If you think he was facing jail, 1465 01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:24,545 he had to have been scared to death. 1466 01:24:25,825 --> 01:24:29,824 He called every single famous, 1467 01:24:29,825 --> 01:24:31,864 political favour 1468 01:24:31,865 --> 01:24:34,744 he could possibly pull in. 1469 01:24:34,745 --> 01:24:37,504 I had just woken up, I'd switched on my phone. 1470 01:24:37,505 --> 01:24:42,864 My brother had direct messaged me on Twitter and saying, 1471 01:24:42,865 --> 01:24:46,065 "WTF, the Feds' case has been dropped." 1472 01:24:51,825 --> 01:24:55,464 When you want to give news that you don't want anybody to notice, 1473 01:24:55,465 --> 01:24:58,104 you put it out at a time when everybody is distracted 1474 01:24:58,105 --> 01:24:59,584 by somebody else. 1475 01:24:59,585 --> 01:25:02,704 This news was dropped late on a Friday afternoon 1476 01:25:02,705 --> 01:25:06,345 on Super Bowl weekend, when America goes into party mode. 1477 01:25:08,465 --> 01:25:11,904 And Lance Armstrong, for one weekend, 1478 01:25:11,905 --> 01:25:14,025 ceases to be relevant. 1479 01:25:24,465 --> 01:25:26,504 Obama was running for re-election 1480 01:25:26,505 --> 01:25:30,904 and it wouldn't have looked good to go after the American hero 1481 01:25:30,905 --> 01:25:34,704 who still had a lot of supporters. 1482 01:25:34,705 --> 01:25:36,784 More Americans entered the workforce... 1483 01:25:36,785 --> 01:25:39,864 It goes to show you the power that Armstrong has. 1484 01:25:39,865 --> 01:25:42,544 He got a federal investigation shut down, 1485 01:25:42,545 --> 01:25:45,104 despite having all that information out there 1486 01:25:45,105 --> 01:25:46,905 and all that evidence out there. 1487 01:25:49,745 --> 01:25:53,264 I was not proud to be an American at the time. 1488 01:25:53,265 --> 01:25:57,064 I was so disappointed in the whole system, you know. 1489 01:25:57,065 --> 01:26:00,624 That, you know, this corruption can happen and, you know, 1490 01:26:00,625 --> 01:26:02,625 favours can be granted. 1491 01:26:10,345 --> 01:26:12,744 Travis Tygart picks up the baton. 1492 01:26:12,745 --> 01:26:15,224 He says, "I'm going to ask all these cyclists 1493 01:26:15,225 --> 01:26:17,344 to come and be interviewed by me." 1494 01:26:17,345 --> 01:26:19,704 This was not just Lance Armstrong 1495 01:26:19,705 --> 01:26:22,224 getting away with doping for a few years. 1496 01:26:22,225 --> 01:26:26,624 This was something by far bigger and greater than just that - 1497 01:26:26,625 --> 01:26:29,184 they took it to an entirely different level 1498 01:26:29,185 --> 01:26:33,344 and no other team, right, won seven Tour de Frances. 1499 01:26:33,345 --> 01:26:35,344 And all the glory and all the profits 1500 01:26:35,345 --> 01:26:38,904 and all the sponsorships that went along with that. 1501 01:26:38,905 --> 01:26:42,144 He was the boss. The evidence is clear. 1502 01:26:42,145 --> 01:26:46,224 He was one of the ring leaders of this conspiracy 1503 01:26:46,225 --> 01:26:48,184 that pulled off this grand heist, 1504 01:26:48,185 --> 01:26:51,304 using tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, 1505 01:26:51,305 --> 01:26:55,145 that defrauded millions of sports fans and his fellow competitors. 1506 01:26:57,585 --> 01:27:00,464 Lance immediately went on the attack, immediately sued them in his 1507 01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,304 home court and immediately started saying, 1508 01:27:02,305 --> 01:27:04,904 "You saw it as a terrible, bad, kangaroo court organisation." 1509 01:27:04,905 --> 01:27:06,864 I thought, "Here we go again. 1510 01:27:06,865 --> 01:27:10,624 He's going to bloody them up. He's going to walk away from this." 1511 01:27:10,625 --> 01:27:14,224 Good morning, everybody, welcome to the Team RadioShack bus... 1512 01:27:14,225 --> 01:27:15,704 Almost at every turn, 1513 01:27:15,705 --> 01:27:18,744 the lobbyists for Armstrong and his criminal defence attorney 1514 01:27:18,745 --> 01:27:21,584 and others wanted to bankrupt us and take us down. 1515 01:27:21,585 --> 01:27:24,344 - The boss. - How are you? Good morning. 1516 01:27:24,345 --> 01:27:28,904 Whether it was claiming to the world media we had not authority or 1517 01:27:28,905 --> 01:27:33,784 we were on witch hunts or the jurisdiction didn't rest with us, 1518 01:27:33,785 --> 01:27:35,744 there were numerous efforts by them 1519 01:27:35,745 --> 01:27:38,344 to ensure this information never got out. 1520 01:27:38,345 --> 01:27:41,304 Your investigations showed that there were personal threats 1521 01:27:41,305 --> 01:27:45,424 made against riders who had decided to come clean. 1522 01:27:45,425 --> 01:27:49,144 - I wonder if there were any threats against you? - There were, Scott. 1523 01:27:49,145 --> 01:27:55,504 These threats came from where? / E-mails, letters. Anonymous? / Yeah. 1524 01:27:55,505 --> 01:27:59,385 Can you remember any of the lines from the e-mails or the letters? 1525 01:28:03,225 --> 01:28:07,384 The worst was probably putting a bullet in my head. 1526 01:28:07,385 --> 01:28:09,625 - Did you take that seriously? - Absolutely. 1527 01:28:12,025 --> 01:28:15,705 Turned it over to the FBI to investigate it. Which they're doing. 1528 01:28:19,665 --> 01:28:23,744 A new report from the US Anti-Doping Agency reveals... 1529 01:28:23,745 --> 01:28:25,624 Just months after federal prosecutors 1530 01:28:25,625 --> 01:28:29,024 dropped their investigation, the US Anti-Doping Agency says 1531 01:28:29,025 --> 01:28:31,304 they now have proof that the seven-time winner 1532 01:28:31,305 --> 01:28:32,664 of the Tour de France... 1533 01:28:32,665 --> 01:28:34,504 From our end, it was never personal. 1534 01:28:34,505 --> 01:28:36,624 In fact, you know, we gave him the same opportunity 1535 01:28:36,625 --> 01:28:38,384 to come in and be part of the solution. 1536 01:28:38,385 --> 01:28:40,824 1,000 pages of evidence 1537 01:28:40,825 --> 01:28:43,624 provided by the agency include first-hand accounts, 1538 01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:44,945 scientific documents... 1539 01:28:48,545 --> 01:28:52,984 Lance believed that he was bulletproof, that he was invincible, 1540 01:28:52,985 --> 01:28:55,624 that they could bring down the Floyds, 1541 01:28:55,625 --> 01:28:57,984 the Tylers, they could bring down anybody. 1542 01:28:57,985 --> 01:28:59,624 "But you can't bring down me, 1543 01:28:59,625 --> 01:29:02,785 because I am too big to be brought down." 1544 01:29:03,905 --> 01:29:07,104 I thought in light of recent events, I ought to reintroduce myself. 1545 01:29:07,105 --> 01:29:10,224 My name is Lance Armstrong. I'm a cancer survivor. 1546 01:29:10,225 --> 01:29:13,824 I've been asked to come up here and talk about my story of survivorship. 1547 01:29:13,825 --> 01:29:18,945 I'm a father of five and, yes, I won the Tour de France seven times. 1548 01:29:23,665 --> 01:29:26,784 UCI will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling 1549 01:29:26,785 --> 01:29:30,705 and UCI will strip him of his seven Tour de France titles. 1550 01:29:32,065 --> 01:29:34,305 Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. 1551 01:29:38,025 --> 01:29:39,784 I don't have anything to worry about. 1552 01:29:39,785 --> 01:29:43,184 Nobody needs to cry for me. I'm going to be great. 1553 01:29:43,185 --> 01:29:46,224 Are you doing something to take your mind off the news this week? 1554 01:29:46,225 --> 01:29:48,985 I'm more at ease now than I have been in ten years. 1555 01:29:50,265 --> 01:29:54,544 What surprised me was how quickly it fell apart. 1556 01:29:54,545 --> 01:29:57,064 This was a day we could not have imagined. 1557 01:29:57,065 --> 01:29:59,144 Nike has fired Lance Armstrong 1558 01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:02,144 over allegations he was doping during races. 1559 01:30:02,145 --> 01:30:06,224 And it first hit me when Nike announced they were fleeing. 1560 01:30:06,225 --> 01:30:08,064 Over the last ten years, 1561 01:30:08,065 --> 01:30:11,304 he's made more than an estimated $100 million. 1562 01:30:11,305 --> 01:30:14,824 What am I on? I'm on my bike, busting my ass six hours a day. 1563 01:30:14,825 --> 01:30:16,584 What are YOU on? 1564 01:30:16,585 --> 01:30:20,344 And then, almost in rapid succession, everyone left him. 1565 01:30:20,345 --> 01:30:24,384 Anheuser-Busch, FRS sports drinks, Trek bicycles and Giro helmets 1566 01:30:24,385 --> 01:30:27,264 all dropped today like dominoes. 1567 01:30:27,265 --> 01:30:29,945 And suddenly, in a matter of days, it collapsed. 1568 01:30:32,545 --> 01:30:35,024 Oh, my golly, the category tonight. 1569 01:30:35,025 --> 01:30:38,064 Paul, take a guess what you think the category might be tonight. 1570 01:30:38,065 --> 01:30:40,264 Well, could it...? Something about Lance Armstrong? 1571 01:30:40,265 --> 01:30:42,904 Nice going. Nice going! 1572 01:30:42,905 --> 01:30:45,905 Honest to God, who cares about cy...? No-one. 1573 01:30:55,905 --> 01:30:57,904 We were pulling into the driveway and, 1574 01:30:57,905 --> 01:31:00,784 right when we pulled into the driveway, Betsy's phone rings 1575 01:31:00,785 --> 01:31:04,224 and Betsy turned to me and she goes, "It's Lance." 1576 01:31:04,225 --> 01:31:06,024 And our daughter in the back said, 1577 01:31:06,025 --> 01:31:08,944 "Is it really him? Is it really him?" 1578 01:31:08,945 --> 01:31:11,624 He apologised. Apologised for everything he'd done. 1579 01:31:11,625 --> 01:31:14,584 And I said, "You know, it must be... It's got to be a tough phone call 1580 01:31:14,585 --> 01:31:17,224 for you to make..." I said, "You know, 1581 01:31:17,225 --> 01:31:19,304 I appreciate it," and I said, 1582 01:31:19,305 --> 01:31:22,744 "I'm sure you're going through hell for the last month and a half." 1583 01:31:22,745 --> 01:31:24,264 I said, "But no... 1584 01:31:24,265 --> 01:31:27,224 That I'd been going through hell for ten years with this shit." 1585 01:31:27,225 --> 01:31:33,945 The Lance in that phone call was a Lance I've never, ever... 1586 01:31:36,865 --> 01:31:38,984 It was a Lance I didn't know. 1587 01:31:38,985 --> 01:31:41,144 He really, genuinely seemed contrite. 1588 01:31:41,145 --> 01:31:42,745 Um... 1589 01:31:47,225 --> 01:31:48,945 And he apologised. 1590 01:31:50,465 --> 01:31:54,785 He said he had done a lot of bad things to a lot of good people. 1591 01:31:56,505 --> 01:32:00,265 I said, "Lance, you better admit that that hospital room happened." 1592 01:32:02,265 --> 01:32:08,385 Now the worldwide exclusive Oprah and Lance Armstrong. 1593 01:32:09,945 --> 01:32:12,824 So let's start with the questions that people around the world 1594 01:32:12,825 --> 01:32:14,584 have been waiting for you to answer 1595 01:32:14,585 --> 01:32:17,544 and for now I'd just like a yes or no. 1596 01:32:17,545 --> 01:32:21,304 Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? 1597 01:32:21,305 --> 01:32:22,585 Yes. 1598 01:32:24,025 --> 01:32:28,864 - Yes or no, was one of those banned substances EPO? - Yes. 1599 01:32:28,865 --> 01:32:30,624 I was physically sick. 1600 01:32:30,625 --> 01:32:32,304 Did you ever blood dope 1601 01:32:32,305 --> 01:32:36,184 - or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? - Yes. 1602 01:32:36,185 --> 01:32:38,504 It was sort of like an old Mike Tyson fight, 1603 01:32:38,505 --> 01:32:40,784 that by the time you sat down in your ringside seat, 1604 01:32:40,785 --> 01:32:43,024 he'd already knocked the guy out and it was over. 1605 01:32:43,025 --> 01:32:46,784 Did you ever use any other banned substances like testosterone, 1606 01:32:46,785 --> 01:32:49,584 cortisone or human growth hormone? 1607 01:32:49,585 --> 01:32:50,904 Yes. 1608 01:32:50,905 --> 01:32:54,744 I was, like, holy shit. Wow. 1609 01:32:54,745 --> 01:32:56,185 Wow! 1610 01:32:58,345 --> 01:33:01,145 Yeah, am I jealous and bitter and vindictive now? 1611 01:33:02,505 --> 01:33:06,304 In all seven of your Tour de France victories, 1612 01:33:06,305 --> 01:33:10,904 - did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? - Yes. 1613 01:33:10,905 --> 01:33:14,504 Those five yeses in one fell swoop, 1614 01:33:14,505 --> 01:33:19,184 just wiped out a generation of cyclists. 1615 01:33:19,185 --> 01:33:21,944 Watching the show, for me, was like... 1616 01:33:21,945 --> 01:33:25,544 I never thought those words would come out of Lance Armstrong's mouth. 1617 01:33:25,545 --> 01:33:26,585 It was unbelievable. 1618 01:33:28,225 --> 01:33:32,864 Was Betsy telling the truth about the Indiana hospital 1619 01:33:32,865 --> 01:33:36,224 - overhearing you in 1996? - Erm... 1620 01:33:36,225 --> 01:33:39,984 I'm not going to take that on. I'm laying down on that one. 1621 01:33:39,985 --> 01:33:41,984 Was Betsy lying? 1622 01:33:41,985 --> 01:33:43,425 Erm... 1623 01:33:46,385 --> 01:33:47,905 And he dropped the ball. 1624 01:33:49,305 --> 01:33:51,584 He dropped the ball. 1625 01:33:51,585 --> 01:33:54,944 - She asked me and I asked her not to talk about... - What you said? 1626 01:33:54,945 --> 01:33:58,784 ...the details of the call. It was a confidential, personal conversation. 1627 01:33:58,785 --> 01:34:01,704 It was 40 minutes long. 1628 01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:03,664 So again, it was classic Lance. 1629 01:34:03,665 --> 01:34:08,024 His way out, throughout that whole interview, he... he just used me. 1630 01:34:08,025 --> 01:34:10,864 He called to apologise so that when he went on Oprah he could say, 1631 01:34:10,865 --> 01:34:13,024 "Oh, yeah, I've reached out to people to apologise. 1632 01:34:13,025 --> 01:34:15,504 I'm a changed man. I'm trying to be better." 1633 01:34:15,505 --> 01:34:17,944 It played into his hand. It played into his game. 1634 01:34:17,945 --> 01:34:20,624 My stepfather called me and said, 1635 01:34:20,625 --> 01:34:22,624 "Your mom's having a really hard time." 1636 01:34:22,625 --> 01:34:24,105 And I saw my mom... 1637 01:34:26,345 --> 01:34:28,745 ...and I thought, "Oh... 1638 01:34:30,705 --> 01:34:31,945 ..this woman's a wreck." 1639 01:34:35,305 --> 01:34:38,665 What has been the financial cost? Have you lost everything? 1640 01:34:40,225 --> 01:34:42,345 I don't like thinking about it. 1641 01:34:43,545 --> 01:34:46,104 But that was a... 1642 01:34:46,105 --> 01:34:50,705 I don't know, that was a $75 million day. 1643 01:34:53,985 --> 01:34:56,345 - Gone. Gone. - Gone. 1644 01:34:58,425 --> 01:35:01,464 Do you think he will ever come clean? 1645 01:35:01,465 --> 01:35:03,424 No, I don't think fully. 1646 01:35:03,425 --> 01:35:05,905 Partly because it would burn too many people. 1647 01:35:07,705 --> 01:35:10,064 He's protected Bruyneel, he's protected Ferrari, 1648 01:35:10,065 --> 01:35:12,944 he's protected Thom Weisel, he's protected Bill Stapleton 1649 01:35:12,945 --> 01:35:16,505 and he's protected, I believe, the medical people at that hospital. 1650 01:35:18,505 --> 01:35:21,224 It's really not about him, but about the people behind him. 1651 01:35:21,225 --> 01:35:23,984 They put this team together that had knowledge of the doping, 1652 01:35:23,985 --> 01:35:26,624 that went out and then sold sponsorships 1653 01:35:26,625 --> 01:35:31,024 to the tune of about 30+ million federal dollars from citizens 1654 01:35:31,025 --> 01:35:33,985 of the United States of America. It's alleged fraud. 1655 01:35:37,585 --> 01:35:39,784 I don't know Lance Armstrong now. 1656 01:35:39,785 --> 01:35:42,584 The man I knew in 1993, I had a blast with. 1657 01:35:42,585 --> 01:35:44,264 A great friend and it's hard for me 1658 01:35:44,265 --> 01:35:46,664 to talk about because of how much hell he put me through 1659 01:35:46,665 --> 01:35:47,945 and my wife through. 1660 01:35:50,585 --> 01:35:53,224 He's like the guy who robs a bank 1661 01:35:53,225 --> 01:35:57,944 and then says, "Oops, forgot to frisk the tellers for any money 1662 01:35:57,945 --> 01:36:00,304 they might have in their pockets." 1663 01:36:00,305 --> 01:36:02,985 So he essentially wanted it all. 1664 01:36:08,385 --> 01:36:11,865 Most of the cheats pretty much stop at the water's edge. 1665 01:36:14,905 --> 01:36:17,104 Lance didn't. 1666 01:36:17,105 --> 01:36:19,665 I had it. And then I just... 1667 01:36:22,105 --> 01:36:24,465 Things got too big. Things got too crazy. 1668 01:36:32,545 --> 01:36:35,305 What Lance never had was the truth... 1669 01:36:36,545 --> 01:36:39,625 ...which is more powerful than the corrupt athlete. 1670 01:36:49,145 --> 01:36:51,145 It's an epic story. 1671 01:36:56,425 --> 01:36:57,745 Time flies, huh? 1672 01:37:01,025 --> 01:37:02,585 Who would have thought? 147820

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