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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,898 --> 00:00:04,735 [REPORTER] It's been four hours since David Koresh and his followers 2 00:00:04,869 --> 00:00:07,358 have refused to release themselves to the FBI 3 00:00:07,436 --> 00:00:10,134 following a bloody shootout with ATF. 4 00:00:10,274 --> 00:00:12,303 Now, details are scarce, but the question 5 00:00:12,428 --> 00:00:16,170 everyone seems to be asking, "Just when will they come out?" 6 00:00:18,115 --> 00:00:21,614 [NEWS ANCHOR] The federal agents came under heavy and sustained fire 7 00:00:21,661 --> 00:00:23,730 as they approached a ranch owned by... 8 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:26,593 They're making us look like monsters. 9 00:00:26,726 --> 00:00:28,595 Calling us child abusers. 10 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:32,299 Everyone's in the chapel wondering why we're not going out. 11 00:00:33,067 --> 00:00:34,601 I need you to talk to 'em. 12 00:00:34,735 --> 00:00:36,070 [NEWS ANCHOR] ...believed to have been collected 13 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:38,038 by Branch Davidian cult members. 14 00:00:38,171 --> 00:00:39,806 [WHIRRING] 15 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:44,711 Negotiations failed, Noesner. They reneged on their deal. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,948 Let me handle this. I can have the building cleared by lunch. 17 00:00:48,082 --> 00:00:50,785 Look. This isn't the first time in the history of negotiations 18 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,720 that someone reneged on a deal, okay? 19 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:56,958 Our primary objective has to be getting those kids out safely. 20 00:00:57,091 --> 00:00:58,459 Clearing the building comes second. 21 00:00:58,592 --> 00:00:59,927 They're screwing with us. 22 00:01:00,061 --> 00:01:02,128 Now's the time to apply more pressure. 23 00:01:02,263 --> 00:01:05,600 No, no, no. Let's not mistake getting even for getting what we want. 24 00:01:09,603 --> 00:01:11,571 "Trickle-flow-gush." That's my next strategy. 25 00:01:11,705 --> 00:01:13,507 If I can get a few people to trickle out, 26 00:01:13,562 --> 00:01:15,442 more will follow as it starts to flow 27 00:01:15,499 --> 00:01:17,241 and once Koresh sees enough people leave, 28 00:01:17,288 --> 00:01:19,038 he won't be the last in line. 29 00:01:19,446 --> 00:01:21,181 It would undermine his authority. 30 00:01:21,205 --> 00:01:22,849 He'll lead the rest of them out himself, 31 00:01:22,884 --> 00:01:25,086 and the whole thing will be over. 32 00:01:26,187 --> 00:01:28,155 I just need a little time. 33 00:01:28,288 --> 00:01:30,723 [SIGHS] Okay. 34 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,294 But... 35 00:01:35,329 --> 00:01:39,566 a little show of force might help get their attention. 36 00:01:40,534 --> 00:01:42,002 Okay. 37 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:43,872 [DAVID] Over the years... 38 00:01:45,238 --> 00:01:47,442 you've looked to me to be your leader. 39 00:01:48,776 --> 00:01:51,045 To guide you on this journey. 40 00:01:52,178 --> 00:01:54,147 But I'm no leader. 41 00:01:54,282 --> 00:01:56,918 I'm a follower. Just like you. 42 00:01:58,752 --> 00:02:01,122 God has instructed me to stay here. 43 00:02:02,622 --> 00:02:05,125 And wait for His sign before I go out there. 44 00:02:07,061 --> 00:02:08,595 But I can't ask you to do the same. 45 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:10,498 [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] 46 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:14,769 And whoever wants to leave, you're free to go. 47 00:02:14,902 --> 00:02:17,571 But those of thinking of going, 48 00:02:18,605 --> 00:02:20,540 I want you to ask yourself... 49 00:02:21,908 --> 00:02:25,378 why did you sacrifice all the comforts you had 50 00:02:25,513 --> 00:02:26,946 to come here? 51 00:02:28,015 --> 00:02:30,652 Know it or not, you came here to be tested. 52 00:02:32,218 --> 00:02:33,854 And this is a test. 53 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:38,092 This is our withering. 54 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,930 Our time to prove through suffering... 55 00:02:43,696 --> 00:02:46,967 that we are worthy of the miracle that's to come. 56 00:02:49,069 --> 00:02:50,571 [CLEARS THROAT] 57 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:57,010 The kingdom of heaven is coming. 58 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:02,349 And those of us that pass this test 59 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:04,585 will be the worthy. 60 00:03:06,187 --> 00:03:08,890 And those of us that fail this test... 61 00:03:11,290 --> 00:03:14,728 well... you're gonna have to answer to God. 62 00:03:15,663 --> 00:03:18,866 [PANTING] And I can't... 63 00:03:19,634 --> 00:03:21,202 - [THUD] - [MAN] David! 64 00:03:48,086 --> 00:03:51,125 Synced & corrected by kinglouisxx www.addic7ed.com 65 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:55,969 [WIND WHISTLING] 66 00:03:59,172 --> 00:04:00,942 [SIGHING] 67 00:04:01,775 --> 00:04:03,211 You're burning up. 68 00:04:04,177 --> 00:04:05,579 [WINCING] 69 00:04:05,712 --> 00:04:07,949 Uh, I'll get him some water. 70 00:04:09,248 --> 00:04:11,551 [PANTING] 71 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:20,061 [PANTING] 72 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,316 Which one's my dad? 73 00:04:58,099 --> 00:05:01,101 Hey. You probably shouldn't be in here. 74 00:05:01,234 --> 00:05:04,003 You know that old myrtle tree outside? 75 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,806 - The one out front? - Yeah. 76 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:07,341 [THIBODEAU] Mm-hmm. 77 00:05:09,876 --> 00:05:12,212 My dad and I planted it when I was five. 78 00:05:14,948 --> 00:05:17,117 He loved that old tree. 79 00:05:19,318 --> 00:05:21,955 He always wanted to be buried next to it. 80 00:05:24,691 --> 00:05:26,392 And now, look. 81 00:05:26,527 --> 00:05:30,731 Instead, he's getting buried with buckets and shovels like... 82 00:05:30,864 --> 00:05:33,234 - like a piece of garbage. - Hey. 83 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,871 - [SOBS] - Hey. 84 00:05:42,142 --> 00:05:43,311 [WHIRRING] 85 00:05:48,414 --> 00:05:50,250 [WHIRRING] 86 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:58,159 [FAINT RUMBLING] 87 00:06:07,734 --> 00:06:09,736 [WHIRRING] 88 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:12,572 [CLICKS] 89 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:14,875 Get back. Get back. 90 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:18,712 [STEVE] You promised to stay off our land. 91 00:06:18,844 --> 00:06:21,214 Well, David made a promise, too. 92 00:06:21,347 --> 00:06:24,384 He gave us his word, after his message was played, he'd come out. 93 00:06:24,517 --> 00:06:28,421 He didn't come out. He... he broke his promise. 94 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:31,058 Could you put him on the phone? 95 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:32,625 No. He doesn't want to talk to you right now. 96 00:06:33,392 --> 00:06:35,294 [GARY] Look, Steve, my bosses are frustrated. 97 00:06:35,428 --> 00:06:37,363 They don't understand why you didn't come out. 98 00:06:37,496 --> 00:06:40,531 Look, I'm embarrassed about that, on a personal level. 99 00:06:40,625 --> 00:06:42,547 We were gonna come out, but... 100 00:06:42,766 --> 00:06:44,766 God told David that we needed to wait. 101 00:06:44,871 --> 00:06:48,008 - God told him? - Yeah, just like you guys 102 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:51,488 follow a higher authority, we do too. 103 00:06:52,331 --> 00:06:53,887 Okay. So, what now? 104 00:06:54,948 --> 00:07:00,154 So, now, we wait for a sign from God to tell us to come out. 105 00:07:04,558 --> 00:07:06,260 Look... 106 00:07:07,161 --> 00:07:11,165 I know this all probably sounds funny to you. 107 00:07:12,332 --> 00:07:13,734 But... 108 00:07:13,866 --> 00:07:17,902 what if there is a higher power than you or I, Gary? 109 00:07:18,604 --> 00:07:22,710 And that higher power, He speaks to David? 110 00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:26,278 If there is a God in this universe, 111 00:07:26,412 --> 00:07:29,248 and you've got the laws of man and the laws of God, 112 00:07:29,382 --> 00:07:33,353 and that God that has led David his entire life 113 00:07:33,486 --> 00:07:35,989 says to him, "Wait." 114 00:07:37,291 --> 00:07:39,259 I mean, what is he supposed to do? 115 00:07:39,392 --> 00:07:41,027 Well, I have to be honest with you, Steve. 116 00:07:41,161 --> 00:07:43,196 I don't know how my bosses are gonna respond 117 00:07:43,330 --> 00:07:46,200 when I tell them we're waiting for a sign from God. 118 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:50,805 You know, what I could really use is a sign of good faith. 119 00:07:52,205 --> 00:07:54,275 If David could send some of the people out. 120 00:07:54,361 --> 00:07:56,611 What, do you think we're hostages here? 121 00:07:56,893 --> 00:07:58,893 No one is a hostage here, Gary. 122 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:02,234 Everyone is free to come and go as they please. 123 00:08:03,416 --> 00:08:05,085 Then why isn't anyone coming out? 124 00:08:05,217 --> 00:08:07,854 Because, right now, everyone feels safer in here 125 00:08:07,988 --> 00:08:10,057 than they do out there with you. 126 00:08:10,190 --> 00:08:13,021 And because once you get into this building, 127 00:08:13,162 --> 00:08:14,440 you're going to be able to mess with 128 00:08:14,473 --> 00:08:16,068 the evidence in any way that you want. 129 00:08:16,115 --> 00:08:18,532 And you can make up any story that you want, 130 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:20,200 but if this building stands, 131 00:08:20,334 --> 00:08:23,370 and the reporters and the press get to see the evidence, 132 00:08:23,433 --> 00:08:26,236 then it is going to be clearly shown what happened here, 133 00:08:26,260 --> 00:08:29,943 what these men... what your men came in here to do. 134 00:08:31,811 --> 00:08:34,580 - You want us to come out? - David, listen. You've gotta... 135 00:08:34,714 --> 00:08:37,216 Then why are you bringing these tanks in here? 136 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,686 Do you know what that tells me? [PANTING] 137 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:42,389 That this is war. 138 00:08:44,157 --> 00:08:47,460 Why are you sending all these people in here, guns a-blazing? 139 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:49,229 For war, Gary. 140 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:52,099 - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] - And now, these tanks? 141 00:08:52,233 --> 00:08:54,133 And these guys surrounding us? 142 00:08:55,701 --> 00:08:57,878 You say you want us to come out, 143 00:08:58,393 --> 00:09:00,831 but it sure doesn't look like that to us. 144 00:09:02,475 --> 00:09:04,110 David, I... 145 00:09:09,383 --> 00:09:10,551 [GASPS] 146 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:14,021 [GRUNTS] 147 00:09:15,989 --> 00:09:17,291 [SIGHS] 148 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:25,599 "Personal level." 149 00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:28,601 "On a personal level." 150 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,539 What'd we just learn from this conversation? 151 00:09:31,671 --> 00:09:34,141 That they'll do whatever this Koresh guy tells 'em. 152 00:09:34,273 --> 00:09:36,076 No, we already knew that. 153 00:09:36,927 --> 00:09:38,568 But Steve said that he was embarrassed 154 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:40,037 about that "on a personal level." 155 00:09:40,147 --> 00:09:42,047 He's separating himself from Koresh. 156 00:09:42,815 --> 00:09:44,484 - Saying he doesn't agree. - Huh. 157 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:47,387 What can you tell me about this Steve Schneider? 158 00:09:47,521 --> 00:09:51,058 Uh, well, he was a professor of theology at the University of Hawaii. 159 00:09:51,191 --> 00:09:53,560 - Uh-huh. - He's originally from Wisconsin. 160 00:09:53,692 --> 00:09:56,061 He and his wife joined the group six years ago. 161 00:09:56,169 --> 00:09:57,694 He's their star recruiter. 162 00:09:57,718 --> 00:09:59,366 The group has nearly doubled since he joined. 163 00:09:59,420 --> 00:10:01,467 - Really? - Our informant says 164 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:03,770 that he's the glue that keeps this place together. 165 00:10:03,903 --> 00:10:05,371 And get this. 166 00:10:05,504 --> 00:10:07,206 His wife, Judy, 167 00:10:07,339 --> 00:10:09,343 recently had a baby with Koresh. 168 00:10:09,475 --> 00:10:13,346 [WHISTLES] That can't be good for the relationship. 169 00:10:13,479 --> 00:10:14,480 Yeah. 170 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,416 [WALTER CHUCKLES] 171 00:10:17,618 --> 00:10:19,386 If Steve brought most of these people in, 172 00:10:19,518 --> 00:10:22,188 I would guess he feels responsible for their well-being. 173 00:10:22,321 --> 00:10:26,426 Right? Let's focus all our attention on him. 174 00:10:27,194 --> 00:10:30,164 If we can break Steve away, this whole thing ends. 175 00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:37,437 [STEVE] David...? 176 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:40,241 [VOICE ECHOES] Can you hear me? 177 00:10:41,407 --> 00:10:43,509 I'd like to send some people out. 178 00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:46,680 Jaydean's kids are without a mother, 179 00:10:46,812 --> 00:10:51,684 and Margaret and Catherine, they're just... 180 00:10:51,819 --> 00:10:53,219 they're just too old for this. 181 00:10:53,354 --> 00:10:55,321 [RACHEL] We are running low on food. 182 00:10:56,123 --> 00:10:58,092 And our water supply is real bad. 183 00:11:00,127 --> 00:11:02,430 The less mouths to feed, the better. 184 00:11:05,599 --> 00:11:06,499 [KNOCKING] 185 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:10,503 - Well, that's getting worse. - Yeah. 186 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:12,472 Let me see. 187 00:11:13,572 --> 00:11:14,607 It hurts real bad. 188 00:11:15,575 --> 00:11:17,010 [STEVE] Ooh-whee. 189 00:11:18,277 --> 00:11:19,979 - Hey. - Hmm? 190 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:24,585 - I'm thinking you should go. - Well, is David going? 191 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:27,287 [SIGHS] No. 192 00:11:29,421 --> 00:11:31,825 - Then I'm not going. - Look at your finger. 193 00:11:31,958 --> 00:11:36,397 If that infection spreads, you... I mean, you could lose your hand. 194 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:38,432 - I know. - You could lose your life. 195 00:11:38,565 --> 00:11:41,669 It hurts so bad, I can't sleep. 196 00:11:44,037 --> 00:11:45,205 Cut it off. 197 00:11:46,071 --> 00:11:47,073 What? 198 00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:48,140 I'm gonna lose it anyway, Steve. 199 00:11:48,274 --> 00:11:49,676 - Cut it off. - No! 200 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,079 Has everyone around here lost their minds? 201 00:11:53,846 --> 00:11:56,615 Nobody's cutting your finger off! And I'm sending you outside 202 00:11:56,749 --> 00:11:58,384 - to get medical attention. - No, you're not! 203 00:11:58,517 --> 00:12:00,421 - Yes I am... - No, you are not! 204 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:09,596 I just got off the phone. They're sending four people out. 205 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:12,799 - Two of 'em, kids. - That's a start. 206 00:12:12,931 --> 00:12:15,000 Four people seems hardly cause for celebration. 207 00:12:15,134 --> 00:12:18,671 Well, they're starting to trickle out. The strategy's working. 208 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,076 Now, you think you can help me coordinate bringing 'em out? 209 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:27,281 Yeah, sure. 210 00:12:31,551 --> 00:12:33,320 [BABY MOANS] 211 00:12:56,810 --> 00:13:00,147 [WHINING] Mama. 212 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,283 Mama. Ma... 213 00:13:13,892 --> 00:13:15,329 Hey, there. 214 00:13:17,162 --> 00:13:20,133 I'm Gary. What's your name? 215 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:24,003 - Leona. - Leona? 216 00:13:24,137 --> 00:13:26,140 Such a pretty name. 217 00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:31,344 Hey, why don't we call your mom and tell her you're okay? 218 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:37,418 - We can't call her. - Why not? 219 00:13:37,923 --> 00:13:39,859 Because you killed her. 220 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:44,691 [SIGHS] 221 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:58,430 - Hey, Steve? - Yep? 222 00:13:59,832 --> 00:14:02,433 I was wondering if you could talk to the FBI about Perry. 223 00:14:02,535 --> 00:14:05,004 See if they'll let us bury his body outside. 224 00:14:06,171 --> 00:14:08,273 I asked you to bury his body in the storm shelter. 225 00:14:08,377 --> 00:14:10,965 - I know. It's just... Michelle. - Mm-hmm. 226 00:14:11,226 --> 00:14:12,903 I know it would mean a lot to her 227 00:14:12,981 --> 00:14:14,184 if we could bury him by the myrtle tree... 228 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,863 It's impossible. It's not gonna happen. 229 00:14:17,275 --> 00:14:19,578 Could you just ask? Please? 230 00:14:21,162 --> 00:14:23,065 [SIGHS] I can try. 231 00:14:23,924 --> 00:14:26,195 [RON] All right, today, we got something a little different for y'all. 232 00:14:26,289 --> 00:14:29,609 Our guest today is a Dr. James Tabor, professor of... what was it? 233 00:14:29,688 --> 00:14:32,024 I specialize in emergent religions. 234 00:14:32,158 --> 00:14:33,826 Emergent religions. 235 00:14:33,959 --> 00:14:37,395 Let's talk about your interest in this Branch Davidian cult. 236 00:14:37,529 --> 00:14:39,798 Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there, Ron. 237 00:14:40,566 --> 00:14:43,569 I would propose that there's no such thing as a cult. 238 00:14:43,702 --> 00:14:46,704 "Cult" is a judgment word used to talk about somebody else's 239 00:14:46,838 --> 00:14:48,640 tightly-knit religious group. 240 00:14:48,774 --> 00:14:51,811 Nobody in the world belongs to what they see as a cult. 241 00:14:51,943 --> 00:14:54,679 [RON] Yeah, but there are certain traits you think of 242 00:14:54,813 --> 00:14:57,415 - when you think of a cult. - [TABOR] That's true. 243 00:14:57,548 --> 00:15:01,720 The early Christians, by our definition, belonged to a cult. 244 00:15:01,853 --> 00:15:04,423 [RON] So you're saying Jesus was a cult leader? 245 00:15:05,191 --> 00:15:07,026 [TABOR] I wasn't saying it exactly like that, 246 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,697 but by the common definition of "cult," yes. 247 00:15:11,829 --> 00:15:15,700 [RON] Oh, that got the phones ringing. You done it now, Dr. Tabor. 248 00:15:17,101 --> 00:15:21,573 Excuse me. My son is in Mt. Carmel, and I need to talk to him. 249 00:15:22,573 --> 00:15:24,443 How did you get past the barricade? 250 00:15:24,577 --> 00:15:28,179 Listen, I am not altogether sure how he got mixed up in all this mess, 251 00:15:28,313 --> 00:15:30,882 but I know if I could talk to him, if I could just speak to him, 252 00:15:31,016 --> 00:15:33,151 that I could get him to come out. 253 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:35,420 I'm sorry, I can't let you do that. 254 00:15:35,554 --> 00:15:37,089 - Why not? - Because I don't wanna give him 255 00:15:37,222 --> 00:15:40,359 or anyone in there the chance to tie up loose ends. 256 00:15:42,095 --> 00:15:44,529 You think that they're gonna kill themselves? 257 00:15:45,329 --> 00:15:46,564 Doesn't matter what I think. 258 00:15:47,332 --> 00:15:50,035 But I'm not gonna give them a chance to say goodbye either way. 259 00:15:50,169 --> 00:15:51,871 Please escort her back behind the checkpoint. 260 00:15:52,005 --> 00:15:53,972 I just wanna know if he's all right. 261 00:15:54,106 --> 00:15:55,441 His name is David Thibodeau. 262 00:15:55,573 --> 00:15:57,342 The news reports aren't releasing any names. 263 00:15:57,476 --> 00:16:00,578 I'm sorry, ma'am. I don't have any more information at this time. 264 00:16:00,712 --> 00:16:04,616 I just need to know if he's alive! Please! 265 00:16:08,187 --> 00:16:10,156 [RACHEL] David, your fever's not breaking. 266 00:16:10,289 --> 00:16:13,393 I'm afraid you're going to die if we don't get you help. 267 00:16:15,561 --> 00:16:16,930 [DAVID MURMURS] 268 00:16:17,929 --> 00:16:19,798 It's all part of God's plan. 269 00:16:19,932 --> 00:16:22,969 No. I just lost my father. I'm not gonna lose you, too. 270 00:16:23,936 --> 00:16:25,705 [PHONE RINGS] 271 00:16:29,141 --> 00:16:31,843 - Hello? - [GARY] Hello. Who's this? 272 00:16:33,745 --> 00:16:36,682 - Cyrus. - David's son. 273 00:16:36,814 --> 00:16:38,683 - Yeah. - Well, hello, Cyrus. 274 00:16:38,817 --> 00:16:40,852 Can you put your dad on the phone? 275 00:16:42,688 --> 00:16:44,923 Are you gonna kill me? 276 00:16:45,691 --> 00:16:49,796 [GULPS] No. No one's going to kill you. 277 00:16:50,563 --> 00:16:51,798 [STEVE] Cyrus? 278 00:16:52,597 --> 00:16:53,967 Thanks, buddy. 279 00:16:55,333 --> 00:16:56,902 Come here. 280 00:16:57,969 --> 00:16:59,170 Hello, this is Steve Schneider. 281 00:17:00,505 --> 00:17:03,141 Oh, hey, Steve. Just wanted to give you a quick call 282 00:17:03,274 --> 00:17:05,643 and let you know that everybody arrived safe. 283 00:17:05,777 --> 00:17:09,180 Good. Well, I hope that shows you what we're about. 284 00:17:10,159 --> 00:17:11,917 We wanna see this resolved peacefully. 285 00:17:12,051 --> 00:17:15,920 Of course. I can tell you're the voice of reason in there. 286 00:17:16,053 --> 00:17:19,490 I bet people count on you to make sure they're taken care of. 287 00:17:19,624 --> 00:17:21,626 [STEVE] I'm not sure that's true. 288 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:23,288 Well, from what I hear, 289 00:17:23,327 --> 00:17:25,327 you're the reason the group's grown like it has. 290 00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:28,833 The reason that the group has grown is because of David's teaching, 291 00:17:28,967 --> 00:17:30,469 not because of anything I'm doing. 292 00:17:30,602 --> 00:17:32,005 I think you're being modest. 293 00:17:33,572 --> 00:17:35,474 Knowing everything you know now... 294 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,411 are you happy you brought all those people in there? 295 00:17:40,178 --> 00:17:42,180 I'm not sure what you're driving at, Gary. 296 00:17:42,313 --> 00:17:46,686 Well, do you think David has everyone's best interest in mind? 297 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:53,726 Yeah. I do. 298 00:17:53,859 --> 00:17:56,128 Because, forgive me for saying this, 299 00:17:56,262 --> 00:17:59,398 but I can't help but notice a trend that when God comes to talk 300 00:17:59,532 --> 00:18:01,567 to modern-day prophets, 301 00:18:02,334 --> 00:18:04,535 it seems one thing He always tells them to do 302 00:18:04,669 --> 00:18:07,272 is have sex with lots of young women. 303 00:18:08,206 --> 00:18:11,243 Well, that's a pretty cynical view of what we're doing here. 304 00:18:11,376 --> 00:18:13,879 I'm not sure I appreciate your tone with that one. 305 00:18:14,012 --> 00:18:17,249 - Then explain it to me. - I'm not stupid. 306 00:18:17,382 --> 00:18:21,085 I know you're trying to create dissent between me and David. 307 00:18:21,853 --> 00:18:24,056 You're right, I am. 'Cause you know what I think? 308 00:18:24,957 --> 00:18:27,226 I think David's dying, 309 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,561 and I think he doesn't mind bringing all of you with him. 310 00:18:29,695 --> 00:18:31,630 You know, Gary, where you've got this all wrong, 311 00:18:31,763 --> 00:18:33,532 the thing that you're missing... 312 00:18:33,665 --> 00:18:35,234 is this is real. 313 00:18:35,367 --> 00:18:37,836 I do believe that David is the Lamb of God. 314 00:18:37,969 --> 00:18:40,005 Not because of any trick he's pulled, 315 00:18:40,139 --> 00:18:43,976 but because of what I have seen with my own two eyes. 316 00:18:44,110 --> 00:18:49,314 But he's lost his way, Steve. I think you can see it. 317 00:18:50,483 --> 00:18:55,354 For years, David has been prophesying exactly what is happening here. 318 00:18:55,486 --> 00:18:58,457 From the way you came in, to the tanks, the soldiers, everything. 319 00:18:58,590 --> 00:19:01,394 I can't figure out another explanation that makes any sense. 320 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,698 For a minor weapons violation? All this? 321 00:19:05,831 --> 00:19:07,800 You think he's lost his way? 322 00:19:07,932 --> 00:19:12,137 Everything David has prophesied has come true. 323 00:19:16,708 --> 00:19:18,611 [SIGHS] 324 00:19:26,217 --> 00:19:28,519 Hey, guys, stay away from the window. 325 00:19:28,653 --> 00:19:30,555 - It's not safe. - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] 326 00:19:36,562 --> 00:19:38,463 [CYRUS] Why are they doing that? 327 00:19:38,596 --> 00:19:40,098 I don't know. 328 00:19:40,232 --> 00:19:42,134 Come on. Let's go. 329 00:19:43,168 --> 00:19:46,072 - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] - [WALTER] What's going on? 330 00:19:48,608 --> 00:19:50,142 [SIGHS] 331 00:19:50,274 --> 00:19:52,377 What goes through people's heads, you know? 332 00:19:52,511 --> 00:19:55,714 I mean, these HRT guys, what makes grown men act like that? 333 00:19:55,848 --> 00:19:58,717 They're mooning kids, for God's sake. 334 00:19:58,850 --> 00:20:00,586 They're just built that way. 335 00:20:01,419 --> 00:20:04,724 The sad thing is, the Davidians can't tell us apart from them. 336 00:20:09,093 --> 00:20:11,096 I need you to get me a video camera. 337 00:20:12,831 --> 00:20:14,867 Ready? How's my hair? 338 00:20:14,999 --> 00:20:16,601 It's about as good as it's gonna get. 339 00:20:16,735 --> 00:20:18,536 - Knock it off. - [LAUGHS] 340 00:20:18,669 --> 00:20:20,206 All right. We're good. 341 00:20:21,607 --> 00:20:24,710 Hello. I'm Gary Noesner. 342 00:20:25,544 --> 00:20:27,246 The notorious. 343 00:20:27,379 --> 00:20:29,782 And... 344 00:20:29,915 --> 00:20:31,350 this is my family. 345 00:20:32,851 --> 00:20:34,519 Yeah, that's my wife, Carol, there, 346 00:20:34,653 --> 00:20:39,624 and my kids, Kelly, Katy, and Rusty, and I love 'em. 347 00:20:39,757 --> 00:20:42,294 I'm sure you love your kids the same way. 348 00:20:42,427 --> 00:20:46,032 And there is literally nothing I wouldn't do to keep my children safe. 349 00:20:47,532 --> 00:20:49,601 I'm sure we share that feeling. 350 00:20:51,736 --> 00:20:54,073 Now, any way you look at it, this is a bad situation, 351 00:20:54,206 --> 00:20:59,011 but I wanna make sure that your kids remain safe through it all. 352 00:20:59,878 --> 00:21:01,981 So, please... 353 00:21:02,915 --> 00:21:04,783 please work with me. 354 00:21:05,583 --> 00:21:06,751 Help me keep your kids safe. 355 00:21:06,884 --> 00:21:09,087 [WHIRRING] 356 00:21:10,723 --> 00:21:12,291 [BABY CRYING] 357 00:21:13,291 --> 00:21:14,393 [WHISPERS] Rachel? 358 00:21:16,428 --> 00:21:18,097 [BABY CRYING] 359 00:21:18,897 --> 00:21:21,265 Hey, I got a weird question. 360 00:21:21,399 --> 00:21:22,702 Y'know, I... 361 00:21:24,669 --> 00:21:28,039 Uh... I'm not producing any milk. 362 00:21:29,341 --> 00:21:33,011 And... I was wondering if you had some to spare for Mayanah. 363 00:21:33,143 --> 00:21:36,881 I'm having the same problem. All the mothers are. 364 00:21:37,681 --> 00:21:41,120 - You are? - Yeah. Sorry. 365 00:21:41,253 --> 00:21:44,624 - Oh, God. - [RACHEL SNIFFLES] 366 00:21:44,756 --> 00:21:46,758 All right. 367 00:21:48,593 --> 00:21:51,029 - [BABY CRYING] - Shh, shh, shh... 368 00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:54,598 [GROANS] 369 00:21:54,733 --> 00:21:56,902 This universe is mine. 370 00:21:57,034 --> 00:21:58,202 [WALTER] I can't believe Koresh likes this. 371 00:21:58,335 --> 00:21:59,938 I am God here! 372 00:22:00,738 --> 00:22:02,741 - Jesus. - [CHUCKLES] 373 00:22:03,809 --> 00:22:05,878 - I don't get this movie. - Mm. 374 00:22:06,011 --> 00:22:08,280 I can't say it makes my top 10 list either. 375 00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:10,882 [MAN ON VIDEO] You're wrong. You need to be led... 376 00:22:11,015 --> 00:22:12,050 - [PHONE RINGING] - Ready? 377 00:22:12,184 --> 00:22:14,119 - Yeah. - [MONITOR BEEPS] 378 00:22:14,887 --> 00:22:17,056 - Hello? - Hey, Gary, it's Steve. 379 00:22:17,188 --> 00:22:20,993 Um, we just wanted to say thanks for sending the videotape. 380 00:22:21,126 --> 00:22:22,594 We understand what you're trying to do, 381 00:22:22,726 --> 00:22:25,229 and we really appreciate you making that effort. 382 00:22:25,363 --> 00:22:27,865 I just wanted you to know that there's some people out here 383 00:22:27,998 --> 00:22:30,101 who care about what happens to you, that's all. 384 00:22:30,235 --> 00:22:32,036 Yeah. Um... 385 00:22:32,169 --> 00:22:35,207 I do have one small problem, 386 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:38,043 and I could really use your help. 387 00:22:38,177 --> 00:22:40,212 - What kinda problem? - [SIGHS] So... 388 00:22:40,344 --> 00:22:42,380 I guess because of the stress of all this, 389 00:22:43,381 --> 00:22:48,285 the mothers who are nursing have... have stopped lactating. 390 00:22:48,419 --> 00:22:51,856 So... we need milk. 391 00:22:51,989 --> 00:22:54,758 For the babies. Could you send some in? 392 00:22:55,526 --> 00:22:58,996 - Let me talk to my bosses. - Okay. Thanks, Gary. 393 00:22:59,130 --> 00:23:00,432 You bet. 394 00:23:03,668 --> 00:23:07,372 No, I'm not throwing them a picnic on national TV. 395 00:23:07,505 --> 00:23:09,807 They want milk, they can come out and get it. 396 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:14,412 Look. Usually the people I negotiate with are backed into a corner. 397 00:23:14,546 --> 00:23:17,882 They need something. And that's what gives me leverage. 398 00:23:18,016 --> 00:23:21,553 But these people, they just want us to go away. 399 00:23:21,687 --> 00:23:24,389 The only way I've been able to motivate them is with goodwill. 400 00:23:24,523 --> 00:23:28,193 But now, their babies need milk, and we can give it to them. 401 00:23:29,361 --> 00:23:32,297 This is something we can build on. We can use this. 402 00:23:33,865 --> 00:23:36,767 So, Steve, I talked to my bosses, 403 00:23:36,901 --> 00:23:38,403 and they're gonna give you the milk. 404 00:23:38,536 --> 00:23:40,338 Aw, Gary. [SIGHS] 405 00:23:40,473 --> 00:23:42,875 Thank you. I really appreciate that. 406 00:23:43,774 --> 00:23:47,313 But there's one condition. You're gonna have to send some kids out. 407 00:23:50,015 --> 00:23:54,152 Wait. Um... let me just make sure I'm hearing you correctly. 408 00:23:54,953 --> 00:23:57,356 Um, you want us to trade... 409 00:23:58,657 --> 00:23:59,824 our kids for the milk? 410 00:24:00,592 --> 00:24:02,760 I wouldn't really put it like that. I'm just saying that... 411 00:24:02,894 --> 00:24:04,610 Look, I don't wanna point out the obvious, 412 00:24:04,634 --> 00:24:07,134 but if we send out our kids, then we won't need the milk, will we? 413 00:24:07,232 --> 00:24:08,133 Steve? 414 00:24:08,265 --> 00:24:10,803 - Yeah? - May I? 415 00:24:11,836 --> 00:24:14,272 Um, yeah. David wants to talk to you. 416 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,842 Yeah, how much milk we talking here, Gary? 417 00:24:16,975 --> 00:24:18,577 - David... - Two quarts per kid? Three? 418 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:21,613 I mean, some kids gotta be worth more than others. 419 00:24:21,746 --> 00:24:23,431 Cyrus, my son, he's eight, 420 00:24:23,455 --> 00:24:26,376 but he can fix any car engine you put in front of him. 421 00:24:26,484 --> 00:24:30,188 That's gotta be worth, what, at least three quarts and a milkshake? 422 00:24:30,956 --> 00:24:32,123 You people. 423 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:34,526 [HANDSET CLICKS] 424 00:24:35,494 --> 00:24:36,528 [SIGHS] 425 00:24:36,661 --> 00:24:38,663 You shouldn't have done that. 426 00:24:38,796 --> 00:24:40,298 You know we have to work with them. 427 00:24:41,246 --> 00:24:42,300 Yeah, well... 428 00:24:42,434 --> 00:24:44,837 good luck with that, Steve. 429 00:25:01,527 --> 00:25:05,232 Rachel? This is how I'd like to ration out the food and water. 430 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:07,030 Can you take care of that? 431 00:25:07,164 --> 00:25:08,702 No one's gonna be happy with this. 432 00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:11,870 Well, if they don't like it, they're welcome to leave. 433 00:25:13,562 --> 00:25:16,766 Steve. Steve, did you get any news about the milk? 434 00:25:16,923 --> 00:25:21,335 Yeah. I'm... I'm... I'm working on it. I promise. 435 00:25:21,469 --> 00:25:23,513 Hey, Steve, have you had a chance to talk to the FBI about Perry? 436 00:25:23,576 --> 00:25:27,109 Look, Thibs, just bury the body like I asked you. Okay? 437 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:34,916 - [GARY] You get bacon on yours? - [WALTER] Yeah. 438 00:25:35,049 --> 00:25:38,787 Oh. I shoulda gotten bacon on mine. 439 00:25:40,456 --> 00:25:43,725 You know, that's how we stopped the Clarksville prison riot. 440 00:25:43,859 --> 00:25:45,694 - With bacon? - Oh, yeah. 441 00:25:46,761 --> 00:25:49,931 It was after day eight, and we took a bunch of bacon 442 00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:52,235 and threw it on some coals. 443 00:25:52,367 --> 00:25:55,270 The prisoners smelled it and were instantly overcome with hunger. 444 00:25:55,403 --> 00:25:56,611 And I told them, 445 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:58,799 if they came out, they could eat as much as they want. 446 00:25:59,909 --> 00:26:03,278 Never underestimate what a hungry man will do for bacon. 447 00:26:03,411 --> 00:26:05,146 Shame the Davidians don't eat pork. 448 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:06,848 - It is. - [CHUCKLES] 449 00:26:09,084 --> 00:26:11,085 [MAN ON RADIO] We've got movement outside the compound. 450 00:26:11,219 --> 00:26:13,021 - All agents to their posts. - Shit. 451 00:26:13,154 --> 00:26:14,891 Prepare to fire on command. 452 00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:17,358 [PHONE RINGS] 453 00:26:18,126 --> 00:26:20,061 - It's Steve. - Steve! What's going on? 454 00:26:20,195 --> 00:26:22,239 Tactical says someone exited the compound. 455 00:26:23,247 --> 00:26:24,267 Shit! 456 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:32,574 It's Thibodeau. He's unarmed! 457 00:26:32,708 --> 00:26:35,411 He's just trying to bury a body. Please don't shoot him! 458 00:26:35,544 --> 00:26:36,645 Okay, hang on, Steve. 459 00:26:36,777 --> 00:26:38,613 - Where's Decker? - I don't know. 460 00:26:39,949 --> 00:26:42,317 [DISPATCHER] Copy sniper one, sniper one, you got the loop. 461 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:51,093 - [WAYNE] Steve! - Get out of my way! 462 00:26:52,327 --> 00:26:54,529 Thibs! You gotta get back in here! 463 00:27:02,170 --> 00:27:03,671 Tell your man to stand down! 464 00:27:03,805 --> 00:27:06,142 This is a tactical decision. It's not your call, Gary. 465 00:27:06,275 --> 00:27:08,177 No, no. He's just trying to bury a body. 466 00:27:08,309 --> 00:27:10,010 And I'm telling you, you don't know what he's burying. 467 00:27:10,144 --> 00:27:11,480 That could be a bomb, for all we know. 468 00:27:11,613 --> 00:27:13,248 Damn it, I'm telling you, the kid's unarmed. 469 00:27:13,382 --> 00:27:14,882 And I'm telling you, you don't know that, Gary. 470 00:27:15,017 --> 00:27:17,318 Now, I can't have people strolling outside, 471 00:27:17,451 --> 00:27:19,654 walking around, looking at our positions on things. 472 00:27:19,787 --> 00:27:21,957 The kid is trying to bury one of his dead, Mitch. 473 00:27:22,091 --> 00:27:26,128 They let the ATF take their wounded away. Show 'em the same respect. 474 00:27:26,261 --> 00:27:29,730 They lost my respect when they started killing federal agents, Gary. 475 00:27:29,864 --> 00:27:32,166 All right, all right. You want another Ruby Ridge on your hands? 476 00:27:32,301 --> 00:27:34,003 - Yeah. - Go ahead, shoot that boy. 477 00:27:34,135 --> 00:27:35,670 But just remember, the ATF's not gonna be around 478 00:27:35,804 --> 00:27:38,040 - to take the blame this time! - I don't give a shit! 479 00:27:41,442 --> 00:27:44,579 Requesting permission to take the shot. Over. 480 00:27:45,948 --> 00:27:48,249 [SNIPER] I have the target in my view. 481 00:27:48,382 --> 00:27:50,353 [MUTTERS] 482 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,258 Repeat, requesting permission to take the shot. Over. 483 00:28:02,064 --> 00:28:03,399 Stand down. 484 00:28:27,277 --> 00:28:29,123 Thank you. Good morning, everyone. 485 00:28:29,891 --> 00:28:32,091 A few days ago, the FBI learned 486 00:28:32,139 --> 00:28:34,670 that the Branch Davidians ran out of milk. 487 00:28:35,397 --> 00:28:37,300 And they are no longer able to feed their children. 488 00:28:37,432 --> 00:28:39,100 Nice of them to tell the truth for once. 489 00:28:39,234 --> 00:28:40,969 Numerous attempts have been made by the FBI 490 00:28:41,103 --> 00:28:43,339 to deliver milk for their babies, 491 00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:44,940 but they have all been refused. 492 00:28:45,774 --> 00:28:50,146 It seems they are using their own children as pawns in this thing. 493 00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,048 David Koresh... 494 00:28:53,849 --> 00:28:56,051 let us bring milk to those children. 495 00:28:56,183 --> 00:28:59,387 Pawns, Gary? We're using our kids as pawns? 496 00:28:59,522 --> 00:29:01,857 - Is that what you think? - No, it's not. 497 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:03,691 Then why are they saying that on TV? 498 00:29:04,459 --> 00:29:06,262 - I don't know. - Your boss said 499 00:29:06,394 --> 00:29:08,430 they have made attempts to deliver milk. 500 00:29:08,563 --> 00:29:11,033 Now, when did that happen? Because we've been here the entire time, 501 00:29:11,167 --> 00:29:13,336 and I don't recall anyone knocking on our door! 502 00:29:14,336 --> 00:29:17,504 Steve, look. I wanna get you that milk. That's the God's honest truth. 503 00:29:17,639 --> 00:29:20,275 But you're gonna have to let out some of the kids in return. 504 00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:22,710 I'm sorry, Gary. That's not gonna happen. 505 00:29:23,843 --> 00:29:25,146 - [LINE CLICKS] - [SIGHS] 506 00:29:27,882 --> 00:29:29,284 [SIGHS] 507 00:29:29,418 --> 00:29:31,719 [REPORTER] With cult leader David Koresh 508 00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:33,855 becoming less involved in direct negotiations, 509 00:29:33,988 --> 00:29:37,360 authorities suspect his wounds may be getting worse. 510 00:29:37,492 --> 00:29:41,595 Agents told cult members that those not charged with serious offenses 511 00:29:41,729 --> 00:29:44,365 eventually will be allowed to return to the compound 512 00:29:44,498 --> 00:29:46,834 once it's cleared of the crime scene. 513 00:29:46,968 --> 00:29:50,005 - Sheriff Harwell? - Yeah? 514 00:29:50,138 --> 00:29:53,009 I'm Gary Noesner, Head Negotiator, FBI. 515 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:56,277 Mm. Can I help you? 516 00:29:57,446 --> 00:29:59,582 - You mind? - [MURMURS] 517 00:30:01,917 --> 00:30:03,318 Well... 518 00:30:04,183 --> 00:30:05,964 when I can't get a guy to trust me, 519 00:30:06,003 --> 00:30:08,144 I try and find someone he will trust. 520 00:30:09,857 --> 00:30:12,027 And David Koresh trusts you. 521 00:30:12,795 --> 00:30:13,696 Mm. 522 00:30:15,930 --> 00:30:17,400 I could really use your help. 523 00:30:21,335 --> 00:30:22,970 [PHONE RINGING] 524 00:30:23,104 --> 00:30:24,440 [GRUNTS] 525 00:30:25,306 --> 00:30:27,142 [RINGING CONTINUES] 526 00:30:30,446 --> 00:30:34,750 - [GROANS] This is David. - David, it's Sheriff Harwell. 527 00:30:34,883 --> 00:30:36,451 [SIGHS] 528 00:30:37,219 --> 00:30:38,520 Hey, Jack. 529 00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,090 Sure is nice to hear a friendly voice. 530 00:30:42,222 --> 00:30:45,527 David, I came down here today 531 00:30:45,661 --> 00:30:48,263 because I wanna make sure that those babies get the milk they need. 532 00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:50,613 Well, they said on the news 533 00:30:50,637 --> 00:30:53,207 it was us refusing to make this happen, Jack. 534 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,504 It's just... 535 00:30:57,072 --> 00:30:59,841 these are our children they're asking us to give up. 536 00:30:59,975 --> 00:31:01,543 I understand, but... 537 00:31:01,677 --> 00:31:04,980 it might not be the worst thing to get the babies fed, 538 00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:08,883 and at the same time, get some of your other kids out of harm's way. 539 00:31:09,651 --> 00:31:12,787 - You know what I'm saying? - Yeah, I do. 540 00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:16,825 Good. Now, David, how much milk do you think you need? 541 00:31:18,893 --> 00:31:21,564 - Six gallons will do. - All right. 542 00:31:22,331 --> 00:31:24,366 Now, David, I'm gonna get ya the six gallons, 543 00:31:24,499 --> 00:31:26,278 but you gotta keep a level head in this 544 00:31:26,302 --> 00:31:28,137 while we try to resolve this thing. 545 00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:31,506 Thank you, Jack. You're a good man. 546 00:31:33,141 --> 00:31:36,111 Look, I just don't think we should make it so easy on 'em. 547 00:31:36,244 --> 00:31:38,180 Jesus. You think we made it easy on 'em? 548 00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,916 They agreed to send their kids out, for Christ's sake. 549 00:31:41,048 --> 00:31:43,985 Right now, the only card we have to play is creating goodwill. 550 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,689 No, it's not. That's your only card, Gary. 551 00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:49,123 [SIGHS] 552 00:31:49,924 --> 00:31:52,228 [GARY] Look, the people they're sending out won't talk. 553 00:31:52,361 --> 00:31:54,796 And we have no idea what's going on in there... 554 00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,230 what they're planning to do. 555 00:31:56,364 --> 00:31:58,199 All right. What's your point, Noesner? 556 00:31:58,334 --> 00:32:01,469 If we send the milk in and bug it somehow... 557 00:32:01,603 --> 00:32:03,337 we'll have ears inside. 558 00:32:04,805 --> 00:32:09,377 That'll help me with negotiations, and Mitch, tactically. 559 00:32:19,697 --> 00:32:20,756 Do it. 560 00:32:35,981 --> 00:32:40,287 _ 561 00:32:41,248 --> 00:32:43,117 - Judy, you need... - Shh. 562 00:32:43,252 --> 00:32:44,853 [WHISPERS] Just got her to sleep. 563 00:32:44,985 --> 00:32:46,287 What's going on? 564 00:32:47,222 --> 00:32:49,284 - Are there more people going? - Yeah. 565 00:32:49,917 --> 00:32:51,652 And I want you and Mayanah to be two of 'em. 566 00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:53,821 No. I already told you, Steve. I can't go... 567 00:32:53,954 --> 00:32:56,351 Well, this is not about you anymore. This is about Mayanah. 568 00:32:57,058 --> 00:33:00,281 You asked me to look out for her like she was my own. 569 00:33:00,389 --> 00:33:03,131 Well, that's what I'm doing. This is what that looks like. 570 00:33:03,179 --> 00:33:04,814 I don't trust the people out there, though, Steve. 571 00:33:04,948 --> 00:33:06,450 I don't trust them. 572 00:33:08,785 --> 00:33:09,753 I know. 573 00:33:10,721 --> 00:33:14,359 What about you? I can't leave you. 574 00:33:16,127 --> 00:33:17,361 I should stay. 575 00:33:22,765 --> 00:33:25,536 - It's the right thing to do. - [JUDY SIGHS] 576 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,872 Hey, Luke. I'm gonna miss that inquisitive mind. 577 00:33:30,006 --> 00:33:33,577 I want you to take care of your mama. All right, give me a hug. 578 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:36,414 [DAVID] Okay. 579 00:33:48,727 --> 00:33:49,960 All right. 580 00:33:50,962 --> 00:33:53,664 What are Judy and Mayanah doing in the hallway? 581 00:33:53,798 --> 00:33:55,200 'Cause they're leaving. 582 00:33:57,167 --> 00:33:59,236 Six gallons. Bugs are in the crate. 583 00:33:59,369 --> 00:34:01,272 Need a vest? 584 00:34:02,473 --> 00:34:04,442 They don't wanna shoot me. 585 00:34:05,875 --> 00:34:07,578 All right. 586 00:34:11,415 --> 00:34:13,384 [DAVID GRUNTS] Is that everyone? 587 00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:20,558 Um, Dave, I'd like you to send out... 588 00:34:21,324 --> 00:34:23,127 Judy and Mayanah. 589 00:34:24,996 --> 00:34:26,231 No. 590 00:34:26,996 --> 00:34:28,398 I can't do that. 591 00:34:30,801 --> 00:34:32,436 [FAINTLY] Okay. 592 00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:37,708 You know, I've never asked you for anything. 593 00:34:40,795 --> 00:34:42,139 In all the years I've known you, 594 00:34:42,186 --> 00:34:44,436 everything I have done has been for you. 595 00:34:45,882 --> 00:34:50,320 Please, David. I'm asking you this one thing. 596 00:34:51,822 --> 00:34:53,657 And I'll talk to Judy. 597 00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:56,593 She can just tell them that... that Mayanah is my daughter. 598 00:35:01,331 --> 00:35:02,900 But, Steve... 599 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,536 she's not your daughter. 600 00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:08,406 She's mine. 601 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:16,580 Right. 602 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:18,549 [FAINTLY] Right. 603 00:35:23,353 --> 00:35:24,554 I wanna stay with you. 604 00:35:24,688 --> 00:35:26,589 Oh, I wanna stay with you, too, baby. 605 00:35:26,723 --> 00:35:28,591 - But God wants me to stay here. - [CHILD] Mommy...? 606 00:35:28,726 --> 00:35:32,497 And I need to keep you safe, okay? 607 00:35:41,572 --> 00:35:43,875 You're the greatest gift God ever gave me. 608 00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:07,965 [STEVE] Let's go. 609 00:36:17,507 --> 00:36:20,677 Hey, guys. Right up here. 610 00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:23,279 - You got it? Come here. - [CHILD WHIMPERS] 611 00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:27,418 Come here, buddy. Come here. Come here. Let's go. Come on with me. 612 00:36:28,185 --> 00:36:30,654 How many guns you think they're pointing at us right now? 613 00:36:31,455 --> 00:36:34,257 - I bet a lot. - [WAYNE CHUCKLES] 614 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:56,046 - Steve, hi. Wayne, Gary Noesner. - Hey. 615 00:36:56,846 --> 00:36:59,282 - [GARY] Hi. - Yeah, I've seen your video. 616 00:37:00,317 --> 00:37:02,686 But I'm sure I'm much better-looking in person, right? 617 00:37:02,819 --> 00:37:06,055 Let's just say that you got a pretty good face for radio. 618 00:37:06,188 --> 00:37:09,192 - [CHUCKLING] - Could we just get this over with? 619 00:37:09,326 --> 00:37:10,961 Yeah, sure. I'm sorry. 620 00:37:11,094 --> 00:37:13,364 Steve, can I talk to you for a minute, just you and I? 621 00:37:14,197 --> 00:37:16,034 Yeah. It's okay. 622 00:37:21,938 --> 00:37:25,042 You need to know your people are in a lot more danger than you think. 623 00:37:27,643 --> 00:37:30,246 And in my experience, the longer these situations go on, 624 00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:32,616 the more erratic people's behavior gets. 625 00:37:33,583 --> 00:37:35,351 Yeah, we're seeing that on our side, too. 626 00:37:35,485 --> 00:37:37,020 Uh-huh. 627 00:37:39,056 --> 00:37:41,659 - Can I ask you something, Steve? - Yeah. 628 00:37:42,592 --> 00:37:44,361 Whose child is Mayanah? 629 00:37:47,964 --> 00:37:50,066 We've all made a lot of sacrifices to be here. 630 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,136 - She's David's child, isn't she? - I made a choice. 631 00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:55,939 Judy made a choice. 632 00:37:58,641 --> 00:38:01,044 How is she, Judy? I heard she was shot. 633 00:38:02,578 --> 00:38:04,314 - She's fine. - She's fine? 634 00:38:04,447 --> 00:38:07,317 She has a bullet in her, and her baby needs milk, but she's fine? 635 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:10,020 She's still in there. Why is that? 636 00:38:10,987 --> 00:38:14,625 - Because we made a decision together... - No. No, I think 637 00:38:14,757 --> 00:38:16,692 David was the one who made that decision, not you. 638 00:38:16,826 --> 00:38:18,763 I think if it were up to you, 639 00:38:18,895 --> 00:38:21,932 Judy would be in that vehicle right now, with Mayanah. 640 00:38:24,368 --> 00:38:25,636 Am I wrong? 641 00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,107 Now, look, Steve, the thing you gotta realize 642 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,576 is that you do have the power to make your own decisions. 643 00:38:34,543 --> 00:38:38,648 Decisions for you, for Judy, for Mayanah, for everyone in there 644 00:38:38,782 --> 00:38:42,386 who is waiting for someone to find the courage to lead them out. 645 00:38:46,489 --> 00:38:48,192 You know, it's funny... I can't tell you 646 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,360 how many times I wanted to leave this place. 647 00:38:51,127 --> 00:38:54,865 And all the fire ants and the dust storms... 648 00:38:55,933 --> 00:38:57,768 and David. 649 00:38:58,569 --> 00:39:01,706 Oh, you're right. David's horrible. 650 00:39:02,706 --> 00:39:04,909 Self-centered, rude. 651 00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:09,979 I wish that God would have chosen 652 00:39:10,112 --> 00:39:15,386 any other person on the earth to speak through instead of him. 653 00:39:16,619 --> 00:39:18,288 But you know what? 654 00:39:19,056 --> 00:39:20,657 Despite everything you're saying, 655 00:39:21,424 --> 00:39:24,928 no one's explained to me what we did to deserve all this. 656 00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:30,067 You know, you have the power to end this, too. 657 00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:32,703 How's that? 658 00:39:34,804 --> 00:39:36,573 You could just leave. 659 00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:42,078 We weren't bothering anybody. 660 00:39:50,487 --> 00:39:51,855 Yeah, I know. 661 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:57,428 Thanks for the milk. 662 00:40:08,195 --> 00:40:09,496 [CAMERA WHIRRING] 663 00:40:10,395 --> 00:40:12,865 All right. We're rolling. 664 00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:15,160 [DAVID] Okay. 665 00:40:16,935 --> 00:40:19,305 Say whatever you wanna say. 666 00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:23,410 Well... 667 00:40:26,178 --> 00:40:29,649 I just wanna say thanks a lot for killing my dad. 668 00:40:31,783 --> 00:40:33,753 My dad's name was Perry Jones. 669 00:40:34,821 --> 00:40:36,823 [RACHEL] He was an unarmed man. 670 00:40:38,123 --> 00:40:39,493 And... 671 00:40:41,661 --> 00:40:44,497 you just shot him through the door, so... 672 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,035 thanks a lot. 673 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:58,078 - And thanks for the milk. - Yeah, thanks for the milk. 674 00:41:04,283 --> 00:41:06,853 - [SNIFFLES] - [DAVID SIGHS] 675 00:41:09,089 --> 00:41:10,457 [GRUNTS] 676 00:41:14,161 --> 00:41:15,662 Wow. 677 00:41:16,428 --> 00:41:17,896 Is it bleeding again? 678 00:41:18,029 --> 00:41:21,366 - It's all over the pillow. - [DAVID SIGHS] Well... 679 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,437 it ain't nothing for a tough guy like me. 680 00:41:25,304 --> 00:41:26,806 [CHUCKLES] 681 00:41:27,682 --> 00:41:30,534 A lot of beliefs people have may seem abnormal 682 00:41:30,558 --> 00:41:31,862 or strange to other people, 683 00:41:31,901 --> 00:41:34,147 but that doesn't mean it's not right, though. 684 00:41:35,147 --> 00:41:39,184 God speaks to me. I have a message to present. 685 00:41:39,953 --> 00:41:41,688 And you may not believe that. 686 00:41:42,756 --> 00:41:44,891 If you don't believe that, then believe this, 687 00:41:45,024 --> 00:41:47,728 irrespective of God speaking to me. 688 00:41:51,131 --> 00:41:52,832 See this here? 689 00:41:53,799 --> 00:41:58,071 This is my family. May not be like your family. 690 00:41:58,904 --> 00:42:00,940 But you come pointing guns 691 00:42:01,074 --> 00:42:04,477 in the direction of my wives and my kids? 692 00:42:05,245 --> 00:42:10,484 Damn it, I will meet you at the door any time. 693 00:42:13,085 --> 00:42:15,656 I'm sorry some of you guys got shot. 694 00:42:16,723 --> 00:42:18,458 But, hey... 695 00:42:20,725 --> 00:42:23,629 God'll have to sort that out, won't He? 696 00:42:25,297 --> 00:42:26,600 [CLICKS] 697 00:42:28,868 --> 00:42:30,971 You still think you can reason with this guy? 698 00:42:42,381 --> 00:42:43,884 What are you gonna do with that? 699 00:42:47,187 --> 00:42:50,991 Can't let this get out. Makes him look too normal. 700 00:42:55,562 --> 00:42:56,929 [SIGHS] 701 00:42:57,062 --> 00:42:59,165 - [VOICES OVERLAPPING] - [CAR HORNS HONKING] 702 00:43:01,268 --> 00:43:02,502 [SIGHS] 703 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:05,205 [SIREN WHOOPS] 704 00:43:05,206 --> 00:43:06,455 _ 705 00:43:06,494 --> 00:43:08,507 [VOICES YELLING] 706 00:43:14,781 --> 00:43:16,783 Your boy's alive. 707 00:43:19,484 --> 00:43:22,689 Thank you. Thank you. 708 00:43:30,263 --> 00:43:31,698 Okay. 709 00:43:35,234 --> 00:43:38,098 I wanted to thank you, Steve. 710 00:43:40,598 --> 00:43:41,996 For what? 711 00:43:42,107 --> 00:43:44,710 Taking care of everyone when I was down. 712 00:43:46,513 --> 00:43:48,014 And for not leaving. 713 00:43:48,882 --> 00:43:51,551 I know you've been having your doubts. 714 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:53,620 I understand. 715 00:43:54,654 --> 00:43:58,824 Heck... I've had my own, too. 716 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,705 - You need something? - Yeah. 717 00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,908 - Glass of milk would be nice. - [LAUGHING] 718 00:44:18,277 --> 00:44:22,181 - No, that's for the kids, David. - I know it is, 719 00:44:22,314 --> 00:44:24,884 but I just escaped death by the grace of God, 720 00:44:25,018 --> 00:44:28,420 and to be honest with you, milk would do us good. 721 00:44:28,554 --> 00:44:29,922 No one'll know, Steve. 722 00:44:30,056 --> 00:44:31,591 [STEVE] Glass of milk, I have to admit, 723 00:44:31,723 --> 00:44:33,900 would be pretty good right about now. 724 00:44:33,955 --> 00:44:35,837 [DAVID] That's a yes. 725 00:44:35,895 --> 00:44:38,198 Gonna be the best glass of milk we've ever had. 726 00:44:46,439 --> 00:44:51,044 They don't give a shit about those kids. When are you gonna see it? 727 00:44:52,011 --> 00:44:53,478 I see it. 728 00:44:53,612 --> 00:44:56,348 The only thing people like this respond to is pressure. 729 00:44:56,482 --> 00:44:59,185 Does it feel like they have any pressure on them to you? 730 00:44:59,951 --> 00:45:03,488 - They sure don't. - We been here, what, eight days? 731 00:45:03,622 --> 00:45:06,926 The only thing we have to show for it is, what, 19 people? 732 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,296 We keep up at this rate, we'll be here till Christmas. 733 00:45:11,263 --> 00:45:12,731 [SIGHS] 734 00:45:12,864 --> 00:45:14,567 You been letting Gary do his thing. 735 00:45:15,335 --> 00:45:17,838 How 'bout you let me do a little of mine? 736 00:45:19,898 --> 00:45:21,544 [RON] And Bubba might say, 737 00:45:21,568 --> 00:45:23,919 "But ain't they messin' with young girls in there?" 738 00:45:23,975 --> 00:45:25,978 And I got this to say to Bubba. 739 00:45:27,279 --> 00:45:31,250 The ATF has no jurisdiction in matters of young girls. 740 00:45:31,384 --> 00:45:35,670 Or sex, or polygamy, or anything else they're talking about. 741 00:45:35,748 --> 00:45:37,690 It's none of their damn business. 742 00:45:37,824 --> 00:45:39,392 Their business... 743 00:45:39,524 --> 00:45:43,962 is alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Period. 744 00:45:45,483 --> 00:45:49,486 And yes, David Koresh did marry his wife when she was 14. 745 00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:51,036 And you might have feelings about that, 746 00:45:51,169 --> 00:45:53,071 just like I have feelings about that myself. 747 00:45:53,205 --> 00:45:56,141 I have a daughter. I find the idea reprehensible. 748 00:45:56,275 --> 00:45:58,710 [RON] But according to Texas law, 749 00:45:58,844 --> 00:46:03,616 it is legal to marry a 14-year-old if her parents give consent. 750 00:46:04,382 --> 00:46:07,218 Which, again, I am not saying is right. 751 00:46:07,986 --> 00:46:09,855 But I am saying, if you have a problem with it, 752 00:46:09,989 --> 00:46:12,826 your problem is actually with Texas law. 753 00:46:13,725 --> 00:46:14,794 Not David Koresh. 754 00:46:14,928 --> 00:46:16,362 [ENGINE STOPS] 755 00:46:17,129 --> 00:46:19,465 [REPORTER] The Branch Davidians have hung a sheet outside the window 756 00:46:19,598 --> 00:46:21,100 saying they want the press. 757 00:46:21,234 --> 00:46:23,870 Reporters have their own take on the sign. 758 00:46:24,002 --> 00:46:26,506 [ALL] God help us, we are the press! 759 00:46:26,638 --> 00:46:29,752 [REPORTER 2] ...siege against the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. 760 00:46:29,815 --> 00:46:31,685 And raise similar questions about the... 761 00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:34,579 I just don't understand why they won't let us talk to them. 762 00:46:34,714 --> 00:46:36,382 [REPORTER] Ma'am, if your son were here right... 763 00:46:36,515 --> 00:46:37,951 No, no. Go back. 764 00:46:38,083 --> 00:46:39,984 [MAN] ...web surrounded this house... 765 00:46:40,118 --> 00:46:41,522 [REPORTER] What would you want to tell him? 766 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,748 If you want to look in the camera and speak to him, 767 00:46:42,809 --> 00:46:43,975 what would you want to say to him? 768 00:46:44,032 --> 00:46:45,201 Do you know her? 769 00:46:46,493 --> 00:46:48,194 That's my mom. 770 00:46:48,326 --> 00:46:50,763 Dave, honey... 771 00:46:52,527 --> 00:46:56,752 I know the last time you were home, I didn't listen very well. 772 00:46:56,835 --> 00:47:00,339 I... I got my issues with the Bible and stuff. 773 00:47:01,107 --> 00:47:03,576 And I know that you got a group in there 774 00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:06,813 that you really care about, and they're like family. 775 00:47:08,681 --> 00:47:12,427 But I'm your family. And you're the only family I've got. 776 00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:13,498 [SNIFFLES] 777 00:47:13,522 --> 00:47:16,537 And if anything ever happened to you, I don't know what I'd do. 778 00:47:16,654 --> 00:47:17,922 [SOBS] 779 00:47:18,056 --> 00:47:20,025 Thank you. 780 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,095 Dave, please? Come out. 781 00:47:23,172 --> 00:47:26,773 And I promise I'm gonna be a better listener, okay? 782 00:47:28,266 --> 00:47:30,770 I promise I'm gonna be a better mother. 783 00:47:32,944 --> 00:47:35,325 So, please, just come on out. 784 00:47:36,444 --> 00:47:38,747 [BALENDA SNIFFLES, SOBS] Thank you. Thank you so much. 785 00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:39,845 [POPS] 786 00:47:40,645 --> 00:47:43,783 - [DAVID] Everyone stay calm. - [RACHEL] What happened? 787 00:48:09,459 --> 00:48:14,459 Synced & corrected by kinglouisxx www.addic7ed.com 61468

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