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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,002 --> 00:00:04,036 [ ambience ] 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.SubtitleDB.org today 3 00:01:39,699 --> 00:01:43,035 -You see, it was the oscars. 4 00:01:43,037 --> 00:01:45,838 People vote. They say, "him," or, "her." 5 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,439 Don't hand me any of that crap. 6 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:52,244 In this, it isn't, "we vote, and it's him and her." 7 00:01:52,246 --> 00:01:54,680 You either cross the finish line first, 8 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:58,317 And it's either him or her. 9 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:01,420 -How do people in show business regard his racing? 10 00:02:01,422 --> 00:02:04,323 -I'm not sure they know he races. [laughs] 11 00:02:08,394 --> 00:02:13,065 -Technically, I mean, he was really a good driver. 12 00:02:13,067 --> 00:02:16,735 -He wanted to be looked at as a driver, 13 00:02:16,737 --> 00:02:18,137 Not as an academy award winner, 14 00:02:18,139 --> 00:02:20,839 But as a man who was involved 15 00:02:20,841 --> 00:02:24,910 With his heart and soul in racing. 16 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:26,178 -He loved the big cars. 17 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,846 He loved the horsepower. That was his thing. 18 00:02:27,848 --> 00:02:29,548 He just wanted to go fast. 19 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:34,052 -Racing became his passion, and he went for it. 20 00:02:34,054 --> 00:02:36,755 -Paul newman is going to be the "c" production 21 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:38,857 1979 national champ. 22 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:40,025 The margin of victory -- 23 00:02:40,027 --> 00:02:42,661 6.3 seconds between first and second. 24 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:52,204 -I was born in January of 1924. 25 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:56,708 My brother came along 1 year, 3 days, and 10 hours later. 26 00:02:56,710 --> 00:03:01,914 We grew up in a suburb of cleveland, shaker heights. 27 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:03,515 We were very close. 28 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:07,119 If somebody was picking on my brother, I'd be there, 29 00:03:07,121 --> 00:03:10,956 And I can remember paul stepping in on a couple 30 00:03:10,958 --> 00:03:13,492 Of occasions or more. 31 00:03:13,494 --> 00:03:19,698 Most of our friends had the use of cars before paul and I did. 32 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:23,835 Dad never felt that that was an essential thing, 33 00:03:23,837 --> 00:03:26,672 Even when we went to college, 34 00:03:26,674 --> 00:03:27,873 We were in the service, 35 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:29,942 Came back out of the service. 36 00:03:29,944 --> 00:03:32,744 Did we have our own car? No. 37 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:40,252 -And there is the checkered flag for 500 winner mario andretti. 38 00:03:45,258 --> 00:03:48,193 -I met paul newman in 1967. 39 00:03:48,195 --> 00:03:51,630 It was bridgehampton, long island -- can-am race. 40 00:03:51,632 --> 00:03:55,701 I was driving this car that was called "the honker," 41 00:03:55,703 --> 00:03:57,135 And on race morning, 42 00:03:57,137 --> 00:04:00,305 There's a big "paul newman" on front of the car. 43 00:04:00,307 --> 00:04:03,141 I saw paul newman is sponsoring. 44 00:04:03,143 --> 00:04:06,211 All of a sudden, there's paul newman and joanne, 45 00:04:06,213 --> 00:04:09,314 And I was totally starstruck. 46 00:04:09,316 --> 00:04:12,351 Immediately, I invited him to go in the cockpit, 47 00:04:12,353 --> 00:04:16,221 And he was very taken with all the gadgets and everything. 48 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:17,856 And then I took him for a ride. 49 00:04:17,858 --> 00:04:22,227 And bridgehampton is one of those elevation tracks 50 00:04:22,229 --> 00:04:24,563 And narrow, blind corners. 51 00:04:24,565 --> 00:04:26,798 And, I mean, it's really easy, sort of, 52 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,400 To impress somebody quickly. 53 00:04:28,402 --> 00:04:31,703 And I noticed that, you know, he was sort of white-knuckling. 54 00:04:31,705 --> 00:04:36,375 I, quite honestly, think that captured his imagination. 55 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:48,553 -In 1968, I was cast with paul to do this film, "winning." 56 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:51,023 -All I want from you is to come in first. 57 00:04:51,025 --> 00:04:52,491 -Both of us? 58 00:04:52,493 --> 00:04:55,427 -They wanted to have us be able to drive on the tracks 59 00:04:55,429 --> 00:04:57,229 With cameras mounted on the cars 60 00:04:57,231 --> 00:05:00,032 So it looked like we were really involved. 61 00:05:00,034 --> 00:05:01,400 -He's in trouble. 62 00:05:01,402 --> 00:05:03,602 He seems to be out of gas and heads for the pits. 63 00:05:03,604 --> 00:05:06,872 -And in order to do that, we both had to be race drivers. 64 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:09,274 We had to learn how to drive automobiles. 65 00:05:09,276 --> 00:05:10,575 So we were sent 66 00:05:10,577 --> 00:05:13,912 To the bob bondurant school of driving. 67 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:21,253 I'm bob bondurant here at sears point international raceway 68 00:05:21,255 --> 00:05:22,854 And the bondurant school. 69 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:27,693 -Well, the studio called me and said they were gonna 70 00:05:27,695 --> 00:05:31,430 Make this really good movie -- racing movie. 71 00:05:31,432 --> 00:05:33,965 So paul and robert came down to the school. 72 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:38,036 I said, "so, paul, how come you wanted to do this movie?" 73 00:05:38,038 --> 00:05:40,572 He said, "I had two other movies 74 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:42,374 I could make a lot more money on, 75 00:05:42,376 --> 00:05:45,577 But I always wanted to see if I could drive a race car." 76 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:48,914 -When he heard about the bondurant school, 77 00:05:48,916 --> 00:05:51,650 He was eager to jump into it. 78 00:05:51,652 --> 00:05:53,518 -You know, one of the greatest rewards 79 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,388 About having my own driving school is being able to teach 80 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:59,725 Other people how to learn to drive better. 81 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:08,633 -I think it was always inside him somewhere, you know? 82 00:06:08,635 --> 00:06:10,836 When he got involved in something, 83 00:06:10,838 --> 00:06:11,970 He really turned it over. 84 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:13,171 He really investigated it. 85 00:06:13,173 --> 00:06:15,374 He looked at every aspect of it. 86 00:06:15,376 --> 00:06:18,643 And every aspect, I think, that he looked at in the world 87 00:06:18,645 --> 00:06:21,747 Of racing was something that attracted him. 88 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:28,854 -And I took paul with me and teach how to do an oval, 89 00:06:28,856 --> 00:06:30,122 Taught him the line, 90 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:33,158 And then he went a little quicker and quicker and quicker. 91 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,326 And he learned real well. 92 00:06:34,328 --> 00:06:35,660 He listened really well. 93 00:06:35,662 --> 00:06:37,796 -He stayed out particularly late. 94 00:06:37,798 --> 00:06:39,331 He kept going. 95 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:41,199 You know, I'd get out of the car 96 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:44,136 And be happy to get out of the car, 97 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:47,272 But paul, he really loved it. 98 00:06:47,274 --> 00:06:48,740 Got the look of eagles in his eyes. 99 00:06:48,742 --> 00:06:51,843 I could see it. I could see him starting. 100 00:06:57,283 --> 00:06:59,518 -And when he came out of that picture, 101 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,022 That was a permanent lifetime passion of his, 102 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,525 And it never diminished. 103 00:07:11,964 --> 00:07:15,700 -"winning" was just completed when we did "butch cassidy." 104 00:07:15,702 --> 00:07:17,502 -Listen, I don't mean to be a sore loser, but, 105 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:21,173 Uh, when it's done, if I'm dead, kill him. 106 00:07:21,175 --> 00:07:23,909 -Love to. 107 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:25,744 -I first met him in a way 108 00:07:25,746 --> 00:07:28,547 That probably made indelible our friendship, 109 00:07:28,549 --> 00:07:30,449 Or at least my devotion to him, 110 00:07:30,451 --> 00:07:32,584 Because they were casting the film, 111 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:34,986 "butch cassidy and the sundance kid." 112 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:36,021 He was already cast. 113 00:07:36,023 --> 00:07:38,323 He was a well-known name. 114 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:41,326 I was being approached to play butch cassidy. 115 00:07:41,328 --> 00:07:43,261 The original title of the film was 116 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:45,697 "the sundance kid and butch cassidy" 117 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:48,333 'cause paul was gonna play sundance. 118 00:07:48,335 --> 00:07:51,636 The studio said no, I wasn't enough of a name. 119 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:55,474 It seemed to center on the fact of paul's approval. 120 00:07:55,476 --> 00:07:58,677 I had never met him, so we went to meet him. 121 00:07:58,679 --> 00:08:03,415 And after that meeting, paul just said, "I'll go with it. 122 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:04,983 I'll go with redford." 123 00:08:06,085 --> 00:08:07,686 -Well, that ought to do it. 124 00:08:09,422 --> 00:08:11,490 -In the course of making the film, 125 00:08:11,492 --> 00:08:14,259 We discovered that we had a lot in common, 126 00:08:14,261 --> 00:08:17,562 And we developed a friendship that was 127 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:20,198 Not unlike the two characters in the film. 128 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,233 -I'll jump first. 129 00:08:21,235 --> 00:08:22,434 -No. 130 00:08:22,436 --> 00:08:24,069 -Then you jump first. -No, I said. 131 00:08:24,071 --> 00:08:25,170 -What's the matter with you?! 132 00:08:25,172 --> 00:08:26,938 -I can't swim! 133 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:32,844 -[ laughs ] 134 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:38,250 -Why, you crazy, the fall will probably kill ya. 135 00:08:38,252 --> 00:08:39,284 -Ohhhhhhh! 136 00:08:39,286 --> 00:08:42,854 Oh, shi-I-I-I-I-I-I-t! 137 00:08:44,223 --> 00:08:46,258 He would drive souped-up cars -- 138 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:47,792 Volkswagen all jacked up -- 139 00:08:47,794 --> 00:08:49,694 But there were no racing cars involved. 140 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:55,000 I had racing cars because I'd been a lover of racing 141 00:08:55,002 --> 00:08:57,335 Since I was about 15. 142 00:08:57,337 --> 00:08:59,104 When paul and I met, by that time, 143 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:03,508 I had acquired a very special racing car called a porsche 904. 144 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:06,945 It was built for sebring. 145 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:11,249 So that was the car I had when we made "butch cassidy." 146 00:09:11,251 --> 00:09:12,717 I knew of his love of cars 147 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:15,353 And so forth, so I said, "you want to drive it?" 148 00:09:15,355 --> 00:09:18,557 He took it to hand right away, 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,858 And it was pretty clear 150 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:21,993 That he had a natural ability with the car. 151 00:09:21,995 --> 00:09:25,463 When we saw each other again, he was racing. 152 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:28,466 He had gone to this school, graduated. 153 00:09:28,468 --> 00:09:31,102 -You started the whole thing, bondurant, 154 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:32,304 Whether you know it or not. 155 00:09:32,306 --> 00:09:34,005 I mean, I remember with some trepidation 156 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:37,976 The first time I went from a two-liter datsun sedan 157 00:09:37,978 --> 00:09:40,779 Into a formula vee. 158 00:09:40,781 --> 00:09:42,914 -And it was right out of the box, 159 00:09:42,916 --> 00:09:44,449 And no one had checked camber or anything, 160 00:09:44,451 --> 00:09:47,452 And the car just lurched from one side of 161 00:09:47,454 --> 00:09:50,455 The corner to the other, and I thought, "boy, 162 00:09:50,457 --> 00:09:51,823 If this is a racer, 163 00:09:51,825 --> 00:09:54,726 I don't want to have an awful lot to do with it." 164 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,435 -He went on to the racing world. 165 00:10:03,437 --> 00:10:04,936 That's what he really wanted to do. 166 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:08,506 You could tell that this was a big, big thing in his life. 167 00:10:08,508 --> 00:10:11,610 -The studios didn't want him doing that. 168 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:12,978 If something happened to him, 169 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:17,749 It would involve a great financial problem. 170 00:10:17,751 --> 00:10:19,618 -He meant so much to a movie. 171 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:21,753 I mean, if you get paul newman to do a picture, I mean, 172 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:26,458 That was hundreds of millions of dollars in profits for them. 173 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:28,627 -And I dreamed about this game, fat man. 174 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:32,430 I dreamed about this game every night on the road. 175 00:10:32,432 --> 00:10:33,732 -I mean, they think of paul. "geez, 176 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:36,635 What is he doing in a racer. Is he crazy? 177 00:10:36,637 --> 00:10:38,236 Let him do it for a couple of times, 178 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:39,337 Then we'll take him out of it." 179 00:10:39,339 --> 00:10:41,239 You know, that's their attitude. 180 00:10:45,144 --> 00:10:48,780 -In 1971, I was at lime rock on a Tuesday testing, 181 00:10:48,782 --> 00:10:50,982 And it was not unusual for jim haynes, 182 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:53,551 Who owned the track, to say, "would you take so and so 183 00:10:53,553 --> 00:10:55,587 From the hartford courant, the norwalk hour, 184 00:10:55,589 --> 00:10:57,589 The stamford advocate," one of the newspapers, 185 00:10:57,591 --> 00:10:59,658 "around for a couple laps?" 186 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:02,127 So I said, "sure. Send him over." 187 00:11:02,129 --> 00:11:06,464 It was paul, in blue jeans and sunglasses, and his son. 188 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:07,866 I didn't recognize him. 189 00:11:07,868 --> 00:11:10,068 He didn't look like a plastic, hollywood guy to me. 190 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:11,903 So I took them both around for a couple laps, 191 00:11:11,905 --> 00:11:13,872 And somebody said, "that was paul newman, wasn't it?" 192 00:11:13,874 --> 00:11:16,074 I said, "it was paul something or other." 193 00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:18,910 -Well, and there was a place called bob sharp datsun. 194 00:11:18,912 --> 00:11:21,846 So, that was sort of one of those legendary places. 195 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:23,381 "bob sharp?" you know, I'd go visit him. 196 00:11:23,383 --> 00:11:24,816 I'd go, "my god, that's bob sharp." 197 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:27,686 I'd watch it like the beatles were performing there, 198 00:11:27,688 --> 00:11:31,056 And that's who he raced for. 199 00:11:31,058 --> 00:11:34,592 -He was 48 years old when he started racing, 200 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:37,162 When most people are retiring. 201 00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:38,596 -Hi. I'm sam posey. 202 00:11:38,598 --> 00:11:40,665 I used to drive cars like this for a living. 203 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:43,835 It's been 17 years now since I started racing. 204 00:11:43,837 --> 00:11:45,737 And, recently, I've tapered off a bit. 205 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:49,140 After all, racing's supposed to be a young man's game. 206 00:11:51,243 --> 00:11:55,814 -We met right here when he was first starting out. 207 00:11:57,783 --> 00:11:59,484 He'd made the movie "winning" 208 00:11:59,486 --> 00:12:02,454 And kind of fallen in love with racing. 209 00:12:02,456 --> 00:12:03,722 I sort of made friends with him 210 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:08,393 And tried to help him with his driving. 211 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:10,962 He was terrible at first. 212 00:12:12,198 --> 00:12:16,434 -At the beginning, I mean, he was not very successful at all. 213 00:12:16,436 --> 00:12:18,369 You know, he wasn't too quick. 214 00:12:18,371 --> 00:12:20,472 He was just taking it all in, 215 00:12:20,474 --> 00:12:23,875 Easy, easy, easy, and practicing. 216 00:12:23,877 --> 00:12:28,747 -He knew how major the skills and knowledge 217 00:12:28,749 --> 00:12:32,817 That was necessary to drive those racing cars. 218 00:12:34,553 --> 00:12:38,223 -He was very sensitive that he wanted to learn the craft 219 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:39,124 Of racing cars. 220 00:12:39,126 --> 00:12:41,726 He knew that it's very, very difficult 221 00:12:41,728 --> 00:12:43,895 With celebrities who are very professional, 222 00:12:43,897 --> 00:12:45,196 They're used to being a winner, 223 00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:48,233 And in racing, how do you win the next month? 224 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:49,868 You got to pay your dues. 225 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,003 But I said, "paul, you will be a better driver 226 00:12:52,005 --> 00:12:55,106 If you race an underpowered car for a year or two. 227 00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:57,208 You will learn to not scuff off speed. 228 00:12:57,210 --> 00:13:00,979 If you screw up, you want to know, 'don't do that again.'" 229 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:09,487 -He sensibly got a datsun 510, 230 00:13:09,489 --> 00:13:11,589 A small, boxy car. 231 00:13:11,591 --> 00:13:14,659 -And he wasn't racing ferraris, and he wasn't racing m-- 232 00:13:14,661 --> 00:13:16,427 He was racing datsuns. 233 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:19,197 It was something the average guy could aspire to. 234 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:22,834 He didn't live at the top of the food chain with the cars. 235 00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:24,702 He started at the middle or, 236 00:13:24,704 --> 00:13:26,137 As some would say, even lower level 237 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:30,175 And earned the respect of the average guy. 238 00:13:30,177 --> 00:13:33,745 -He would come on tuesdays when the track was open for practice. 239 00:13:33,747 --> 00:13:35,613 So there'd be other cars on the track, 240 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:37,649 But he would make a lot of laps. 241 00:13:37,651 --> 00:13:39,150 -You're always competing with yourself. 242 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:42,220 You're trying to bring a little extra to your performance. 243 00:13:42,222 --> 00:13:45,523 The objective is just to get the car through each turn 244 00:13:45,525 --> 00:13:47,625 As fast as it can possibly go. 245 00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:49,594 For some drivers, I think that's intuitive. 246 00:13:49,596 --> 00:13:51,129 I kind of see that they're pantsing. 247 00:13:51,131 --> 00:13:54,532 My own approach has just been to work up to the limit 248 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:57,836 A step at a time. 249 00:13:57,838 --> 00:13:59,838 -He slowly just chipped away at it. 250 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,739 He would pound around at lime rock, 251 00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:04,242 Just pound around, pound around, pound around, 252 00:14:04,244 --> 00:14:07,478 And just, he got better and better and better. 253 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,947 -When I started out in racing, 254 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:10,748 I knew that the guys were saying, "oh, 255 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:12,250 Balloon foot out there." 256 00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:15,086 I said, "well, that's their problem," 'cause 257 00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:17,388 I'm a slow study, and I know it's gonna take me a long time. 258 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,091 But you can't quit simply because they're laughing at ya. 259 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:23,228 And one thing that you learn in acting is to go out there 260 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:27,866 In order to do it right, you have to do it wrong. 261 00:14:27,868 --> 00:14:30,368 And the same things is true in racing. 262 00:14:37,109 --> 00:14:41,613 I crashed the car 'cause I was just too eager, that's all. 263 00:14:41,615 --> 00:14:43,214 I knew, you know, 264 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,950 That you've got to drive your own race. 265 00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:47,886 Can't drive somebody else's. 266 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:52,223 So I got sucked into that and made a mistake. 267 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:57,028 -Paul knew the importance of learning a skill 268 00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:02,000 Just as the importance of learning the skill of acting. 269 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:04,969 -He was not good when he started, and he admits that. 270 00:15:04,971 --> 00:15:07,772 But as he worked and developed and worked and developed, 271 00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:08,840 He became a very good actor. 272 00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:10,341 -Now, you look here. 273 00:15:10,343 --> 00:15:13,244 You've had 24 of my 34 years working for you on this ranch, 274 00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:16,347 And, daddy, you have had top-grade cheap labor. 275 00:15:16,349 --> 00:15:18,816 -But it took a while to realize that that was not 276 00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:20,685 His "a"-one passion. 277 00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:23,187 It was really cars -- racing. 278 00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:27,625 So when he realized that, he went at it hammer and tongs. 279 00:15:27,627 --> 00:15:30,161 I mean, he went at it fully. 280 00:15:30,163 --> 00:15:34,732 -Well, he approached it a bit like, in a way, in his acting. 281 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:37,835 -We got a racehorse here, a thoroughbred. 282 00:15:37,837 --> 00:15:40,271 You make him feel good. I teach him how to run. 283 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:43,474 -When he got a part, he really investigated the character 284 00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:46,844 And investigated where he was gonna go with it and the arc 285 00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:47,845 That he was gonna take. 286 00:15:47,847 --> 00:15:49,147 -You're talking about a guy 287 00:15:49,149 --> 00:15:50,748 Who'd kill a grifter over a chunk of money 288 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:52,984 Wouldn't support him for two days. 289 00:15:52,986 --> 00:15:57,288 -He obviously used some of that in approaching the racing. 290 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:59,324 -At one point, he said to me, "you know, 291 00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:02,994 I'm acting out the role of a racing driver." 292 00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:07,498 -That's the lovely part about being an actor 293 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,102 Is that you get to assume a lot of different personalities. 294 00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:15,106 And a lot of those personality traits stick. 295 00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,108 I look at that, and I say, "gee, there's a little bit 296 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:21,846 Of hud in there or fast eddie felson." 297 00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:25,917 -Acting is an enormously disciplined thing 298 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,120 To do in terms of work, of preparation, 299 00:16:29,122 --> 00:16:32,724 And paul is extreme about preparation for any film, 300 00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:34,792 Whether he's acting or directing. 301 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:37,395 And I think all of that kind of preparation 302 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:40,164 Lends itself to the work that you have to do as a racer, 303 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:43,301 That you can't just leap into the car and start driving. 304 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:51,576 -Paul and joanne could walk from our motor home, 305 00:16:51,578 --> 00:16:53,277 Two blocks to the false grid 306 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,747 With movie people with a motorized bottom 307 00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:57,515 Taking 200 hundred pictures, 308 00:16:57,517 --> 00:17:00,184 And I think he was oblivious to that. 309 00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:04,856 He had an ability not let those kinds of things upset him, 310 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,158 And I think the movie concentration 311 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,262 Helped his racing concentration. 312 00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:15,299 -Really be able to know that you can discard 313 00:17:15,301 --> 00:17:19,871 All the extraneous stimuli and depend on the one focus 314 00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:21,773 That you want to focus on. 315 00:17:21,775 --> 00:17:23,274 And when you really accomplish it, 316 00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:26,477 I think you just feel really good about it. 317 00:17:31,483 --> 00:17:34,018 -For about 24 years, I had a place in connecticut, 318 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:37,055 Westport, just about a mile from where he was. 319 00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:39,023 And it was then that he was racing up lime rock. 320 00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:40,324 He'd been with sharp. 321 00:17:40,326 --> 00:17:42,927 So he said, "why don't you come up?" 322 00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:44,462 So I went up there and got on the track. 323 00:17:44,464 --> 00:17:48,666 I whipped around about five or six times. 324 00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:50,134 But he jumps in and zips around 325 00:17:50,136 --> 00:17:53,371 In about half the time that I did. 326 00:17:53,373 --> 00:17:56,340 When I saw that, that's when I first saw paul race, 327 00:17:56,342 --> 00:17:58,276 And I said, "whoa. He's really good." 328 00:17:58,278 --> 00:18:02,547 -I think you pick up 300 rpm from where I look at it. 329 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:07,185 He became so boring, because that's all he'd talk about. 330 00:18:07,187 --> 00:18:08,920 I'd go to talk to him. I'd say, "so, how you doing?" 331 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,088 "well, let me tell you about the car..." 332 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:13,658 It started to drive me crazy. 333 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:21,032 -The runoffs would be all the factory teams 334 00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:23,601 Competing against each other. 335 00:18:25,737 --> 00:18:27,572 Paul was driving tullius' triumph 336 00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:31,142 Against jim fitzgerald in the "d" production category 337 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:35,213 At the 1976 scca runoffs at road atlanta. 338 00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:36,581 Fitzy ended up breaking the car, 339 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:40,651 Giving paul his firs scca national championship. 340 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:43,888 But I think paul wanted the thrill of beating a guy, 341 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:46,591 Not winning a race artificially. 342 00:18:53,398 --> 00:18:58,035 Paul would love to have been a football quarterback. 343 00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:02,306 Did paul look 6'4, 200 pounds with muscles? 344 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:06,978 Was he really 5'91" and 155 pounds? 345 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,147 And if you have some of those ingredients 346 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,882 Of spacial relations, 347 00:19:10,884 --> 00:19:12,884 A burn in your belly to want to win, 348 00:19:12,886 --> 00:19:14,552 And the discipline to pull it off, 349 00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:18,222 You've got an advantage over the football player. 350 00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:20,224 -I always wanted to be a jock. 351 00:19:20,226 --> 00:19:25,029 I skied and boxed and played football badly. 352 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:27,331 I had no physical grace. 353 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:31,669 The only thing that I ever found any grace in was an automobile. 354 00:19:44,383 --> 00:19:46,817 -He was always searching to be better -- 355 00:19:46,819 --> 00:19:50,821 A better person, a better actor, better driver. 356 00:19:50,823 --> 00:19:52,056 That was just his nature. 357 00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:53,191 That's where I think the ego 358 00:19:53,193 --> 00:19:56,027 And the competitor came into him. 359 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:58,095 -I can't be competitive as an actor. 360 00:19:58,097 --> 00:19:59,330 One guy is playing uncle willy. 361 00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,432 The other guy is playing hamlet. 362 00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:05,203 So how do you say which performance is best? 363 00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:07,004 In a car, it's very simple. 364 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:09,540 It's down to a thousandth of a second. 365 00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:13,144 -Anyone that's a racing winner 366 00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:14,712 Has an ego to want to be a winner, 367 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,214 And so did paul. 368 00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:18,316 -Paul has a saying I'm sure you've heard, where he says, 369 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:21,118 "winning isn't everything. It's just all there is." 370 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,987 I don't know who the quote is from, 371 00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:26,157 But it certainly applies to him. 372 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:28,626 -Actors have the same stigma that rich guys have. 373 00:20:28,628 --> 00:20:30,695 You know, "here comes so and so with his trailer, 374 00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:33,197 And he's got his fancy leathers and so and so. 375 00:20:33,199 --> 00:20:34,865 Let's see how good he is." 376 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,268 So I think there was a tendency 377 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:41,906 To write him off as an actor trying to do our job. 378 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,809 -Oh, I don't care if they're a movie star or a writer 379 00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:46,510 Or a movie producer. 380 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:48,212 You don't want to lose to somebody 381 00:20:48,214 --> 00:20:51,882 That you feel that you've devoted more energy 382 00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:53,251 Into it than they did. 383 00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,020 -The guys want to beat a paul newman twice as bad 384 00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:58,389 As they want to beat joe luce scooch. 385 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,259 So I think, you know, you got a big bull's-eye on your back. 386 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:04,095 "oh, I want to get that guy." 387 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,198 -If you race with somebody like paul newman, 388 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,333 You want to beat them, because you figure 389 00:21:09,335 --> 00:21:11,068 They've been lucky enough. 390 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:12,870 [ laughs ] 391 00:21:18,477 --> 00:21:23,114 -His presence at a track would guarantee a large crowd. 392 00:21:23,116 --> 00:21:24,515 If you could see the number of people 393 00:21:24,517 --> 00:21:27,318 That turned up from the press, from new york, 394 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,921 From the big papers, and so forth. 395 00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,890 He tried to have his privacy. 396 00:21:32,892 --> 00:21:34,292 He'd have a motor home 397 00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:38,129 And go in the back before the race to cool down. 398 00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,197 -Paul loved his privacy. 399 00:21:40,199 --> 00:21:42,667 We held the spectators off enough 400 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:44,302 That they still got to see paul 401 00:21:44,304 --> 00:21:47,171 And they got a press kit or something like that, 402 00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:50,074 Maybe, without abusing paul. 403 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:51,475 [ camera shutter snaps ] 404 00:21:51,477 --> 00:21:54,712 And I would get him, like, Friday afternoon at 3:00 405 00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:55,613 For 15 minutes. 406 00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:56,881 And then I would go to the media 407 00:21:56,883 --> 00:22:00,151 And say, "if you ask him racing questions -- 408 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:02,053 He loves to talk racing. We're racers. 409 00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:03,788 He'll talk racing for the next hour. 410 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,956 If you want to know 'what's joanne's next movie?', 411 00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:09,060 He's gonna have to go talk to the crew chief pretty quickly. 412 00:22:09,062 --> 00:22:12,663 -He was really the real paul newman 413 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:16,133 When he was around people that he really cared for 414 00:22:16,135 --> 00:22:17,702 And he was relaxed. 415 00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:20,071 -Except for your race, the only good thing was the bratwurst. 416 00:22:20,073 --> 00:22:21,238 -[ laughs ] 417 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,374 -I think that paul was approachable, 418 00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:27,878 But he was very discerning on where he gave his time 419 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,213 And what he did, 420 00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:31,749 Because he was concentrating on something else. 421 00:22:31,751 --> 00:22:33,484 I mean, driving. 422 00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:35,086 Does he want to have somebody come up 423 00:22:35,088 --> 00:22:36,287 And stick a piece of paper in his face 424 00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:37,488 And say, "sign the autograph"? 425 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:39,190 No. That would get him a little hot. 426 00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:40,558 It got me a little hot, too. 427 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,761 -He was so adored, I think, all over the planet 428 00:22:43,763 --> 00:22:48,399 That he just like to be like a regular guy. 429 00:22:48,401 --> 00:22:50,368 -He was in popular movies 430 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:53,404 But was also kind of an outsider. 431 00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,805 He stayed in the trailer. 432 00:22:54,807 --> 00:22:57,274 He didn't want to stay in the, you know, the plaza, 433 00:22:57,276 --> 00:22:59,410 And a limo didn't take him to his car. 434 00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:03,314 You know, he was just a guy. 435 00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:04,648 -Well, I think he liked the camaraderie, 436 00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:06,717 And I think the fellowship of that relationship 437 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,619 With the fellow drivers -- there's nothing like it. 438 00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:12,857 It's not anything you can have in hollywood at all. 439 00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:14,492 -He loved joking around, 440 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,827 He loved companionship, and you can see that, 441 00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:20,297 But he probably shifted from the film world 442 00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:21,699 Into the racing world. 443 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:25,469 You can see that he adopted a lot of friendships. 444 00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:31,342 -Fitzy, of course, was like almost a mascot for our team. 445 00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:33,677 Just the most personable guy. 446 00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:36,080 -Hi, sam. How are ya? -So, congratulations. 447 00:23:36,082 --> 00:23:37,882 How was it? 448 00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:39,316 -Nice. [ laughter ] 449 00:23:39,318 --> 00:23:41,552 -He was a very, very good driver. 450 00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:45,956 -He was a gentleman p.R. Guy for auto racing, 451 00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:49,260 And he was the chief instructor at road atlanta, a great guy. 452 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,028 Everyone loved him. 453 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,164 "teddy bear" jim fitzgerald. 454 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:54,398 He befriended joanne. 455 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,233 They were both a little bit southern. 456 00:23:56,235 --> 00:23:57,935 They got along very, very well, 457 00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,770 And he befriended paul. 458 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:02,907 -He even likes to let everybody think he's 60. 459 00:24:02,909 --> 00:24:04,442 He's really 50. 460 00:24:04,444 --> 00:24:08,179 And everybody thinks I'm 50, and I'm really...40. 461 00:24:08,181 --> 00:24:10,514 [ laughs ] no, I'm not. 462 00:24:10,516 --> 00:24:13,584 -It's nice to have a teammate 463 00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:15,219 Who, at the beginning of the year, 464 00:24:15,221 --> 00:24:17,254 Was given a certificate to forest lawn 465 00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:19,657 The same way that I was. 466 00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:22,493 That was on behalf of the younger drivers. 467 00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:25,229 They've also offered to buy us teeth 468 00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:28,098 When we needed them and polident -- 469 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,267 A year supply of polident -- 470 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:33,571 And that special stuff 471 00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:37,007 That you glue your hair on with. 472 00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,876 But, by the same token, 473 00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:42,413 A lot of those kids have got diaper rash. 474 00:24:42,415 --> 00:24:44,849 -Fitzgerald loved him as a buddy. 475 00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:46,617 I think they were good friends. 476 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:50,688 Paul tried to get jim a little, tiny spot in a movie one time, 477 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:53,591 And paul had ended up putting the words across his chest so 478 00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:57,361 Jim would get them right on about the 12th take, you know? 479 00:24:57,363 --> 00:24:58,496 -We don't have to race. 480 00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:00,364 It's fun being with him 481 00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:03,067 Just as a friend or visiting or palling around, 482 00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:05,603 But to race in addition, 483 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:07,571 I couldn't ask for anything nicer. 484 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:09,440 -It's terrific on two counts. 485 00:25:09,442 --> 00:25:11,675 I count him as a friend, for one thing, 486 00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:18,382 And we drive very much the same and we don't have to apologize 487 00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:19,917 To those young kids out there -- yet. 488 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:23,053 Deceit and treachery will always triumph over youth 489 00:25:23,055 --> 00:25:25,122 And good intentions anyways. 490 00:25:26,925 --> 00:25:31,629 -There is no sport more exciting than racing. 491 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:34,298 This is the next best thing to heaven. 492 00:25:39,504 --> 00:25:41,539 -They had never seen it before. 493 00:25:41,541 --> 00:25:46,076 A black driver this fast, this competitive? 494 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:48,112 They weren't ready for that. 495 00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:54,585 -It wasn't easy. 496 00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:57,555 It was real tough to find support. 497 00:25:57,557 --> 00:26:01,425 You could feel, in a lot of respects, the animosity. 498 00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,761 I was on a mission to head up that ladder 499 00:26:03,763 --> 00:26:06,163 To the top of the sport, 500 00:26:06,165 --> 00:26:09,700 Which, for me, was indycar. 501 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:11,268 -...To the outside retaining wall 502 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:14,238 As he heads down the 1,730-foot... 503 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,574 -I first met paul in the pits, 504 00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:19,843 And it was brief, but he was paying attention. 505 00:26:19,845 --> 00:26:22,880 And he said, "keep up the good work." 506 00:26:24,783 --> 00:26:27,051 I wasn't a paid driver to that point. 507 00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:30,821 I was getting paid a percentage of the prize money, 508 00:26:30,823 --> 00:26:35,426 But I wasn't receiving a monthly check. 509 00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:36,760 It was hard. 510 00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,196 I didn't have the money to buy my own racer 511 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:40,464 Or own my own team, 512 00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:43,300 So I would do about five or six races a year 513 00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:46,270 Until I got the call -- 514 00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,772 Until I got the big call. 515 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:53,477 It was the day before thanksgiving 516 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,146 That I got the car from p.L. 517 00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:57,848 Said, "hey, kid, 518 00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:00,751 I think I've got a deal for you if you want it. 519 00:27:00,753 --> 00:27:03,988 Trans-am team is going to call you tomorrow. 520 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:05,255 I recommended you. 521 00:27:05,257 --> 00:27:09,326 If there's any problems, call me." 522 00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,363 And it changed everything. 523 00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:16,166 When paul got me that deal, 524 00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:19,637 I was a paid race driver. 525 00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:21,905 Not only did he get me a job, 526 00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:23,641 He got me in one of the best teams -- 527 00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:24,942 If not the best team -- 528 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:28,879 In the championship, competing against him. 529 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,383 In my first year, I won 5 out of 11 races, 530 00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:34,551 And I was rookie of the year. 531 00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:38,389 And then in '85, I won damn near all of them. 532 00:27:38,391 --> 00:27:41,158 [ cheers and applause ] 533 00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:54,905 -Emerson fittipaldi... 534 00:27:56,808 --> 00:28:03,213 A.J. Foyt, willy t. Ribbs staring into history. 535 00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:09,853 -For me and my career, newman was, without question, 536 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:15,659 One of the most important people of them all. 537 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,094 -Ribbs made history, 538 00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:20,597 Becoming the first black driver to tour the circuit. 539 00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:21,932 -If it wasn't for him, 540 00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:24,702 I would've never been a professional. 541 00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:28,939 I would've never been in indycar and in the indy 500. 542 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,282 It was... 543 00:28:51,629 --> 00:28:53,697 -He was very private man. 544 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,733 So the last thing you would ever think 545 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:58,202 That he's a practical joker. 546 00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:02,740 -What are your plans for next year? 547 00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:07,077 -Well, I'm doing some porno flicks out in new mexico. 548 00:29:10,315 --> 00:29:12,416 You know, I need a nurse. 549 00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:13,884 -A nurse? 550 00:29:13,886 --> 00:29:18,589 -Hey, sal, come on in here. You need to be a nurse. 551 00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:20,924 -Aah! [ laughter ] 552 00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:25,896 [ laughter ] 553 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:29,032 -He called me one day, and he said, 554 00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:34,104 "this is david stern from the national enquirer. 555 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:38,509 We've been informed that you been bunging iguanas 556 00:29:38,511 --> 00:29:40,177 On a denver street corner." 557 00:29:40,179 --> 00:29:44,281 I said, "well, iguanas don't get that far north. 558 00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:45,516 They end in arizona. 559 00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,683 They're not getting up into colorado. 560 00:29:46,685 --> 00:29:48,085 It's too cold." 561 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:51,555 And he started laughing. He said, "you busted me, kid." 562 00:29:51,557 --> 00:29:56,760 -I had this hat that I really liked. 563 00:29:56,762 --> 00:30:00,964 Paul didn't think it was worthy of me, I guess. 564 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,367 You know, we had some shotguns, 565 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:07,805 And somebody grabbed the hat and threw it up in the air. 566 00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,540 Paul went bam, bam, bam. 567 00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:11,809 [ gunshots ] 568 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,678 And, of course, my hat was riddled 569 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,616 With little, tiny holes all over. 570 00:30:19,618 --> 00:30:21,618 -I got a picture from him, 571 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,120 And I'm to the side of him, 572 00:30:23,122 --> 00:30:26,590 Looking like he said something shocking. 573 00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:34,164 He signed it, "actually, the truth is, I'm willy's dad!" 574 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:38,335 We had this relationship where we'd play jokes on each other. 575 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,637 And so, I'm thinking, "I've heard enough about cars." 576 00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:41,672 You know, the guy can't stop. 577 00:30:41,674 --> 00:30:43,073 So I went to a towing service. 578 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:44,842 I said, "can you find me a crushed car?" 579 00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:46,543 And they just happened to find a crushed porsche. 580 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,846 And I said, "okay, would you wrap it in wrapping paper 581 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:50,180 And put a ribbon around it 582 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:53,717 And deliver it to paul newman's back porch?" 583 00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:55,118 They did, and I called them. 584 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,621 I said, "you do that?" and he said, "yeah, I did." 585 00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,456 I said, "anybody there?" "no. No." 586 00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:00,791 So I didn't hear anything. 587 00:31:00,793 --> 00:31:02,960 A couple of weeks goes by and I go to my house, 588 00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:04,194 Which was rented. 589 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:06,997 I go in there, and in the foyer is this big box. 590 00:31:06,999 --> 00:31:10,067 And the box is obviously heavy, because it's put a dent 591 00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:12,970 In the floor of the house that I'm renting, 592 00:31:12,972 --> 00:31:15,539 Which means I'm gonna have to pay for it. 593 00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:17,875 Took me about an hour to crowbar the box apart, 594 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,143 And there was this big block of metal -- 595 00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:22,613 Big square block of metal. 596 00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:24,548 I said, "okay, I got it." 597 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:26,683 So then I called a friend of mine who was a sculptor 598 00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:29,853 And a lady and I said, "look, if I deliver you some materials, 599 00:31:29,855 --> 00:31:31,588 Could you sculpt something for a garden?" 600 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,290 She goes, "oh, that'd be great." 601 00:31:33,292 --> 00:31:35,893 I knew she wasn't a particularly good sculptor, 602 00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:37,294 So that was part of the deal. 603 00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:41,832 And three weeks later, she called to say it was finished. 604 00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,300 Called the towing service back. 605 00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:46,637 "pick this up and take it and put it in newman's garden." 606 00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:48,138 So they did. 607 00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:52,910 And to this day, paul and I never spoke a word about it. 608 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,079 I guess that sums up our relationship in a way. 609 00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:58,515 -He liked to build what the english call q-cars, 610 00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:04,321 Which are cars that look normal but have incredible abilities. 611 00:32:04,323 --> 00:32:06,356 Occasionally, I would meet a guy that would say, 612 00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:09,660 "I was in connecticut, and this volkswagen pulls up, 613 00:32:09,662 --> 00:32:11,795 And it's paul newman 614 00:32:11,797 --> 00:32:15,198 And he just blew my doors off." 615 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,336 -He would drive a disguised volvo station wagon 616 00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:23,740 With about a 650-horsepower engine in it. 617 00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:25,008 He just wanted to be, 618 00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:27,511 You know, totally incognito, if you will. 619 00:32:27,513 --> 00:32:31,949 But if you recognized him, it was a time for him to just, 620 00:32:31,951 --> 00:32:33,483 You know, open somebody's eyes. 621 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:37,354 You know, he would do that. He was just that kind of guy. 622 00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:40,691 -We loved paul for paul, not because he was an actor. 623 00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:42,192 He was a wonderful human being, 624 00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:44,027 A great guy to be associated with. 625 00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:46,229 The kind of a guy -- "hey, let's have a beer." 626 00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:49,833 And I think he liked the westport countryfied atmosphere 627 00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:52,402 Versus the hollywood atmosphere. 628 00:32:58,576 --> 00:33:01,845 I had taken paul and his son around lime rock 629 00:33:01,847 --> 00:33:03,814 When I first met them. 630 00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:07,084 He was a california guy, 631 00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:11,455 And he passed on of an overdose. 632 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,496 -The tragedy of his death, 633 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:23,767 It was something that was never really talked about. 634 00:33:25,603 --> 00:33:30,273 I think what paul did with that was he made it his business. 635 00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:33,143 I said to paul, "paul, would you like to take some time off? 636 00:33:33,145 --> 00:33:35,012 I know this is a difficult time." 637 00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:38,882 He said, "sharp, practice me five days a week if you can. 638 00:33:38,884 --> 00:33:40,350 I can't change it, 639 00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:41,952 I feel badly that it happened, 640 00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:44,121 But the less I think about it, the more I motor on. 641 00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:47,424 And racing's a wonderful thing, 'cause it consumes you." 642 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:51,128 -When you get out to that track and you sit down in that car, 643 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:54,031 Whatever it is that's roiling around in your head, 644 00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:57,234 It just goes right out the window. 645 00:33:58,436 --> 00:34:02,372 -And then the tiger in the tank came out. 646 00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:08,345 -Newman's begun to accelerate, 647 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,748 And the green flag hasn't even been dropped. 648 00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:14,451 Newman's timed it perfectly. 649 00:34:16,854 --> 00:34:18,922 -I used to be able to be psyched. 650 00:34:18,924 --> 00:34:20,724 You know, you can't psych me anymore. 651 00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,559 I'll see a guy in my mirror. 652 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:23,627 You know, two years ago, 653 00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:25,362 I'd say, "oh, god, he's gonna catch me." 654 00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:29,433 And now I say, "well, I'm gonna show him where it's all at." 655 00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:34,271 -We won 15 out of 17 races that year. 656 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,073 -He is headed through turn number 12, 657 00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:37,941 And paul newman is going to be 658 00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:40,710 The "c" production 1979 national champion. 659 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:41,912 The margin of victory -- 660 00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:46,183 6.3 seconds between first and second. 661 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:48,251 -Last year, you were second, and you said then 662 00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:50,520 Maybe you could be first with a little help from the driver. 663 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:53,490 How do you feel about the driver right now? 664 00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:54,691 -Well, I don't know. 665 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,093 That car worked so -- 666 00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:59,062 You know, usually, it's a sign of modesty -- baloney. 667 00:34:59,064 --> 00:35:00,764 Shirley temple could've gotten in that thing 668 00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:01,965 And gone like a rocket. 669 00:35:01,967 --> 00:35:03,233 -I think although the two of us 670 00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:05,035 Are surely not two peas in a pod, 671 00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:07,070 I think we complement each other very much. 672 00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:08,672 I thought it was a winning combination, 673 00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:09,840 And I did have confidence 674 00:35:09,842 --> 00:35:11,441 That he would be a winner in our cars. 675 00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,243 -How do you feel as a driver? 676 00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:16,646 Are you proud of what you've just done. 677 00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:17,848 -Yeah, it felt pretty good. 678 00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:19,983 I mean, the last time I inherited, 679 00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:21,218 You know, the championship, 680 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,453 And this time I won it fair-and-square. 681 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,295 -There goes paul newman out for another run. 682 00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:39,569 -I met paul in 1977 when we were teammates 683 00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:43,340 On a ferrari team running the "24 hours of daytona." 684 00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:47,144 -We really got along very well from the very beginning. 685 00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:49,212 Paul was a very competitive driver. 686 00:35:49,214 --> 00:35:53,083 He did not want to take a backseat to anybody. 687 00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:57,020 In 1978, my team went to the "24 hours of le mans," 688 00:35:57,022 --> 00:36:01,124 Where we were fortunate enough to win there. 689 00:36:01,126 --> 00:36:03,693 Right after that race, paul called me and said, 690 00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:08,465 "dick, I'd really like to take a shot at winning le mans." 691 00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:14,704 In the world of racing, le mans is the epitome. 692 00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:20,777 It's every race driver's dream to race there and to win there. 693 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:23,413 They even made a movie about it. 694 00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:35,091 -The world's best drivers competed there -- 695 00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:37,928 Formula one drivers, sports-car drivers, 696 00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:39,729 Indianapolis drivers. 697 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:42,732 I raced at le mans nine times and won in my class twice 698 00:36:42,734 --> 00:36:44,701 And won third overall. 699 00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:49,806 -It's certainly an event 700 00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:53,343 That garners attention from all over the world. 701 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:55,912 You get 300,000 to 400,000 people every year. 702 00:36:55,914 --> 00:37:00,050 The infield is packed with campers from every country. 703 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,719 The ambiance is absolutely incredible. 704 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:05,355 It's exciting. 705 00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:09,059 It's a 24-hour race that starts at 4:00 in the afternoon, 706 00:37:09,061 --> 00:37:10,961 And it ends at 4:00 the next day. 707 00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:13,597 -Three, two, one. 708 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,101 -Whoever does the most miles in that period of time 709 00:37:18,103 --> 00:37:20,904 Wins the race. 710 00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:23,974 The word got out that paul was one of the drivers on the team, 711 00:37:23,976 --> 00:37:27,477 And that went around the world and all the world press. 712 00:37:27,479 --> 00:37:30,580 By the time that the first practice session 713 00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,915 Came at le mans, 714 00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:34,384 The crowds had just doubled. 715 00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:36,453 I had never seen that many people there, 716 00:37:36,455 --> 00:37:40,090 And it was mayhem, really, a chaos, 717 00:37:40,092 --> 00:37:41,424 Especially at the racetrack. 718 00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:45,061 The crowds were anxious to get in and see him. 719 00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:47,130 We were staying at this delightful castle 720 00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:49,399 Called malicorne in le mans. 721 00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,901 After the first night, we had a problem, 722 00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:55,272 Because the paparazzi were actually climbing up 723 00:37:55,274 --> 00:38:00,543 And scaling the wall to get to paul's room. 724 00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:03,580 -I felt the private person that he was 725 00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:07,617 Was not a natural mix to go to the "24 hours at le mans." 726 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,052 He was there to race the car, 727 00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:10,420 Not to do autographs 728 00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:13,189 Or not to pose for pictures and this and that. 729 00:38:13,191 --> 00:38:15,058 -They're a completely ungoverned bunch. 730 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,660 They're desperate. They're rabid. 731 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:20,130 They don't care what the rules are, what dignity means, 732 00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,464 What privacy means. 733 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,301 They're a pain in the ass. There's no question. 734 00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:26,436 And I don't think paul liked it anymore than I did. 735 00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:29,205 He developed, over time, ways to deal with it, 736 00:38:29,207 --> 00:38:32,642 But you can only control so much. 737 00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:35,845 -In 1979, I drove a 935 porsche. 738 00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:40,417 It was identical to the car that paul newman drove. 739 00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:45,955 -We raced a porsche 935 six-cylinder, 740 00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:48,124 Twin-turbocharged boxer engine. 741 00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:51,261 We ran in qualifying over 800 horsepower. 742 00:38:51,263 --> 00:38:56,032 In the race, probably 650 to 700 horsepower. 743 00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:58,234 Top speed was over 220 miles an hour. 744 00:38:58,236 --> 00:39:01,638 It was violent. It was fantastic. 745 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,341 It was three drivers, one hour each. 746 00:39:04,343 --> 00:39:08,044 Rolf started the race for us, I was the next driver, 747 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,480 And then the third driver was paul. 748 00:39:10,482 --> 00:39:13,083 Paul and rolf got along great. 749 00:39:13,085 --> 00:39:15,118 Paul really respected the fact 750 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,187 That rolf was a formula one driver, 751 00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:20,156 A porsche-factory driver. 752 00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:22,425 Le man is a very unique track. 753 00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:24,361 It is roughly eight miles long. 754 00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:28,598 It's part permanent racetrack and part public highway. 755 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,268 Once a year, the mulsanne freeway is closed off, 756 00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:34,938 And it becomes the mulsanne straightaway. 757 00:39:43,748 --> 00:39:47,283 -For the first few laps, I think, "this is pretty stupid," 758 00:39:47,285 --> 00:39:49,252 Going down a two-lane highway 759 00:39:49,254 --> 00:39:50,787 At over 200 miles an hour 760 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:54,391 With guardrails and trees on the side of the road. 761 00:39:54,393 --> 00:40:01,664 -My 512 s ferrari in 1970 went 248 miles an hour. 762 00:40:01,666 --> 00:40:03,633 -And you always have respect for it, 763 00:40:03,635 --> 00:40:07,303 Because it's a very dangerous place to race. 764 00:40:07,305 --> 00:40:09,406 -You were racing at le mans this year, 765 00:40:09,408 --> 00:40:11,708 And a driver in your class died. 766 00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:13,476 -Yeah. 767 00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:15,278 It was three minutes into the race. 768 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680 It was a lot of weather there. 769 00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:20,917 -Oh, no. -An aston, and it's a big one. 770 00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:23,887 -It's hard, because it's like part of your family. 771 00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,588 You don't really think it's gonna happen anymore. 772 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,357 And then you got to get back out and do it. 773 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,492 And every time you went by that spot in the track, 774 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:31,561 You had to be focused on moving forward 775 00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:33,897 And not think about what had happened. 776 00:40:42,573 --> 00:40:48,044 -Speed at le mans varies based on the conditions. 777 00:40:48,046 --> 00:40:50,680 In the 1979 race, it was clear 778 00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:55,051 And then it was absolutely a cloud burst of incredible rain, 779 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:57,420 Incredible fog in the nighttime, 780 00:40:57,422 --> 00:41:01,357 Which made it very, very dangerous. 781 00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:04,394 The attrition during the race was quite high. 782 00:41:04,396 --> 00:41:07,230 A lot of cars ending up in the guardrails, 783 00:41:07,232 --> 00:41:09,766 Spinning off, not being able to finish. 784 00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:14,504 -55 cars started the race and only 22 finish. 785 00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,407 -An absolutely tough course. In rain? At night? 786 00:41:17,409 --> 00:41:20,043 When I saw that, I said, "wow. 787 00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:21,978 He's real going somewhere." 788 00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:25,014 -Our stints were one hour. 789 00:41:25,016 --> 00:41:29,252 You would come in after an hour, take on a full load of fuel, 790 00:41:29,254 --> 00:41:30,954 Change all four tires, 791 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:32,622 And change drivers. 792 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:34,624 Hopefully in less than a minute, 793 00:41:34,626 --> 00:41:36,726 Because every second you lost in the pits 794 00:41:36,728 --> 00:41:39,896 Was very hard to make up on the track. 795 00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:48,371 The paparazzi were really merciless, 796 00:41:48,373 --> 00:41:50,106 Especially in our pits, 797 00:41:50,108 --> 00:41:51,708 And they were all over our car. 798 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:53,710 And we needed to get out on the racetrack, 799 00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:57,514 And paul didn't want to run them over. 800 00:41:57,516 --> 00:41:59,482 -You have to block out everybody, 'cause if you 801 00:41:59,484 --> 00:42:01,618 Start to really concentrate -- certainly at le mans. 802 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:03,520 There's so many cameras everywhere. 803 00:42:03,522 --> 00:42:04,787 If you are aware of that, 804 00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:06,656 You couldn't get in the car and function. 805 00:42:06,658 --> 00:42:09,659 -We had told paul, when he gets in the car, 806 00:42:09,661 --> 00:42:12,529 He's belted in, and he's ready to go, 807 00:42:12,531 --> 00:42:14,697 Just turn the ignition on, fire it up, 808 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:17,100 And leave no matter how many people 809 00:42:17,102 --> 00:42:18,401 Were in front of the car. 810 00:42:18,403 --> 00:42:23,039 And he did, and he bowed over three paparazzi. 811 00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:28,811 At about the 22nd hour, 812 00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:31,848 We found ourself in the lead overall, 813 00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:33,883 And then, on the 23rd hour, 814 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:36,486 We made a pit stop with about an hour to go, 815 00:42:36,488 --> 00:42:40,023 And one of the left-front tires, the nut 816 00:42:40,025 --> 00:42:43,693 Had welded itself on because of the rain and the heat. 817 00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:46,396 So we had to have a long pit stop, 818 00:42:46,398 --> 00:42:48,565 Chisel off the front suspension, 819 00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:51,501 And replace it and get back in the race. 820 00:42:51,503 --> 00:42:53,703 Some interviewer literally came over 821 00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:55,838 And grabbed paul, trying to get an interview 822 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,575 Right when we were in the midst of doing our job. 823 00:42:58,577 --> 00:43:01,344 -We look at the camera, monsieur, pardon. Merci. 824 00:43:01,346 --> 00:43:02,946 The camera is right in front of you. 825 00:43:02,948 --> 00:43:06,082 I just want to know exactly your impressions 826 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,550 Of le mans now. 827 00:43:07,552 --> 00:43:11,487 After 22 hours, you are in second position in the race. 828 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:13,656 -The idea that racing, 829 00:43:13,658 --> 00:43:18,461 Which requires extreme concentration and focus, 830 00:43:18,463 --> 00:43:20,997 To have somebody interfere with that, to me, 831 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:22,665 That's criminal. 832 00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:27,303 -Rolf took off, really bent on regaining the lead. 833 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,173 Unfortunately, we kind of pushed the car too hard. 834 00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:31,541 We lost a cylinder. 835 00:43:31,543 --> 00:43:35,178 And so rolf had to baby the car that last hour, 836 00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:40,483 And we ended up second overall but first in the imsa class. 837 00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:41,784 At the end of the race, 838 00:43:41,786 --> 00:43:46,089 The crowd absolutely emptied the grandstands 839 00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:48,791 And came onto the track. 840 00:43:48,793 --> 00:43:51,894 The crew had to form a barricade around the car, 841 00:43:51,896 --> 00:43:54,497 And it was pushed up to victory circle. 842 00:43:54,499 --> 00:43:56,633 It was very exciting, very magical. 843 00:43:56,635 --> 00:43:58,167 Paul, many times after that, 844 00:43:58,169 --> 00:44:02,905 He said it was the most rewarding race of his life. 845 00:44:02,907 --> 00:44:06,876 I was just little dickie barbour from la mesa, california, 846 00:44:06,878 --> 00:44:10,079 And all of a sudden, you know, we're in this limelight. 847 00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:14,384 Anybody would be pretty struck by having this happen to them. 848 00:44:14,386 --> 00:44:17,253 I think we were kind of standing back, 849 00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:18,554 Watching all this happening, 850 00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:21,324 And it was certainly a matter of pride for us, 851 00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:24,227 You know, because he did choose to race with us. 852 00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:27,664 -After newman was in the car that finished second overall 853 00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:31,434 At le mans, his stock went up with a lot of people. 854 00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:33,936 -Other drivers from around the world 855 00:44:33,938 --> 00:44:36,939 Really developed incredible respect for paul 856 00:44:36,941 --> 00:44:40,209 And that he was one of them, because 857 00:44:40,211 --> 00:44:44,313 They all knew how difficult winning at le mans was, 858 00:44:44,315 --> 00:44:46,883 And most of them had never won. 859 00:44:46,885 --> 00:44:51,087 It legitimized all of us, the victory there. 860 00:44:56,794 --> 00:45:00,563 I believe that paul didn't go back for the reason 861 00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:04,233 That the paparazzi just made it so difficult 862 00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,868 For him to concentrate. 863 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:09,472 It kind of took the pleasure out of it for him. 864 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:18,948 -The victory lap and the taste of triumph 865 00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:21,884 Certainly aren't new to newman and to his race crew, 866 00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:24,987 But the big payoff is the national championship trophy. 867 00:45:24,989 --> 00:45:27,156 It's not an oscar, but to paul newman, 868 00:45:27,158 --> 00:45:30,460 It's the honor he seeks most in his second career. 869 00:45:30,462 --> 00:45:31,994 Will he retire when he gets it? 870 00:45:31,996 --> 00:45:36,132 "hey," he says, "I'll retire when I get slower, not older." 871 00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:40,002 -He really felt at home here. 872 00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:42,872 People in racing, they knew who he was, 873 00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:45,408 And they were impressed by him, but they didn't bug him. 874 00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:48,511 -When p.L. Was at the racetrack, 875 00:45:48,513 --> 00:45:50,913 He was another race driver, in his mind. 876 00:45:50,915 --> 00:45:53,850 He wasn't p.L. Newman the movie star. 877 00:45:53,852 --> 00:45:56,486 He was p.L. Newman the race driver. 878 00:45:56,488 --> 00:45:59,956 And he conducted himself like that, 879 00:45:59,958 --> 00:46:03,893 And he never put himself on a pedestal ever. 880 00:46:03,895 --> 00:46:06,763 -He was just another driver that you wanted to beat. 881 00:46:06,765 --> 00:46:08,765 You know, he got that much credibility. 882 00:46:08,767 --> 00:46:12,235 People didn't even think of him being a movie-star racer. 883 00:46:12,237 --> 00:46:14,837 He was just a racer. 884 00:46:14,839 --> 00:46:17,039 -There was a little boy, standing with his mother, 885 00:46:17,041 --> 00:46:19,509 And paul walked by, and I heard this. 886 00:46:19,511 --> 00:46:20,977 The mother grabbed the little boy 887 00:46:20,979 --> 00:46:22,845 And said, "do you know who that is?" 888 00:46:22,847 --> 00:46:25,181 And the little boy said, "yeah, it's paul newman." 889 00:46:25,183 --> 00:46:27,016 And she said, "yes, but do you know who he is?" 890 00:46:27,018 --> 00:46:29,685 And he said, "yes, it's a racer." 891 00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:31,187 And I thought, "isn't that wonderful?" 892 00:46:31,189 --> 00:46:34,924 Because that's what would make paul very happy. 893 00:46:39,096 --> 00:46:41,964 -He drove in the "24 hours of daytona," 894 00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:44,767 And then won worldwide recognition by finishing second 895 00:46:44,769 --> 00:46:46,903 In the famous 24-hour race at le mans. 896 00:46:46,905 --> 00:46:49,438 This last year, paul's fascination with racing 897 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,241 Has been such that he's competed in more events 898 00:46:52,243 --> 00:46:55,244 In fact, some people think he's spending more time 899 00:46:55,246 --> 00:46:59,182 With his racing career now than with his movie career. 900 00:47:02,085 --> 00:47:04,554 -Every year, I keep saying that I'm gonna, you know, 901 00:47:04,556 --> 00:47:06,088 Stop all this. 902 00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:08,191 So now it looks like I got a couple of really good scripts 903 00:47:08,193 --> 00:47:12,962 That will go during the spring and the summer. 904 00:47:12,964 --> 00:47:15,565 So all I have to do is burn all those scripts, you see, 905 00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,034 So I can get back in the car again. 906 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:23,239 -He wasn't so much divided between the two. 907 00:47:23,241 --> 00:47:26,843 It was that film would come second to racing. 908 00:47:28,879 --> 00:47:32,515 -What is the mystique about beating the other guy, 909 00:47:32,517 --> 00:47:34,016 About winning? 910 00:47:34,018 --> 00:47:35,885 Well, whatever it is, it's a mystique 911 00:47:35,887 --> 00:47:39,722 That's held in high reverence by people in racing. 912 00:47:39,724 --> 00:47:41,691 -And I was driving the pro cars, 913 00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:45,127 And paul was driving the amateur circuit. 914 00:47:45,129 --> 00:47:48,030 But then he got so good that it made sense 915 00:47:48,032 --> 00:47:52,668 For him to join me in the pro races. 916 00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:57,406 The car in the background here was a big imsa contender. 917 00:47:57,408 --> 00:48:01,510 We had over 900 horsepower. 918 00:48:01,512 --> 00:48:03,112 -I had to make a choice 919 00:48:03,114 --> 00:48:06,249 When I went from amateurs to professional racing, 920 00:48:06,251 --> 00:48:08,784 Whether I wanted to be a big fish in a little pond 921 00:48:08,786 --> 00:48:12,188 Or a little fish in a big pond. 922 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:16,158 Going from 300-some-odd horsepower to 900 horsepower 923 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,329 Is that quantum leap that you keep talking about. 924 00:48:22,032 --> 00:48:24,767 I think I was away 24 weekends this summer. 925 00:48:24,769 --> 00:48:26,869 If I wasn't racing, the can-am team was racing 926 00:48:26,871 --> 00:48:29,305 Or I was running out to ohio 927 00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,841 To visit joanne who was doing a play out there, 928 00:48:31,843 --> 00:48:33,943 And I felt as though I was inside of a meat grinder, 929 00:48:33,945 --> 00:48:38,147 But all I got to do if I don't want to do it is stop. 930 00:48:41,518 --> 00:48:43,052 -I was worried about him. 931 00:48:43,054 --> 00:48:44,987 I really was seriously concerned. 932 00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:47,323 His whole career looked as though it was gonna 933 00:48:47,325 --> 00:48:51,294 Because all he wanted to do was race. 934 00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:56,866 -They'll have to strap me down 935 00:48:56,868 --> 00:48:59,936 Before they keep me out of these things. 936 00:48:59,938 --> 00:49:01,837 -Welcome back, joanne. 937 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,806 We understand you taught him everything he knows. 938 00:49:03,808 --> 00:49:05,074 -Of course. Absolutely. 939 00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,877 And that's why he drives so well. 940 00:49:07,879 --> 00:49:09,946 -Joanne has really, through all of this, you know, 941 00:49:09,948 --> 00:49:12,381 When I was racing badly, she was supportive. 942 00:49:12,383 --> 00:49:14,817 When I was racing well, she was supportive. 943 00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:16,852 She keeps asking the eternal question, 944 00:49:16,854 --> 00:49:18,821 "well, next season, what? 945 00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:20,222 Do we go to France and paris, 946 00:49:20,224 --> 00:49:23,960 Or is it somers point and pocono." 947 00:49:23,962 --> 00:49:27,930 And she's been just patient beyond all belief. 948 00:49:27,932 --> 00:49:29,865 -Anything can happen when you're in a race car, 949 00:49:29,867 --> 00:49:31,200 And I think that that was a thing 950 00:49:31,202 --> 00:49:33,703 That she was very concerned about, 951 00:49:33,705 --> 00:49:35,738 About with him becoming, 952 00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:38,240 In some way, injured with the family 953 00:49:38,242 --> 00:49:42,378 And all of that and also starting late in life. 954 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:52,655 -Racing was more dangerous then than it is now, 955 00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:55,124 And it was always a risk to have him at the wheel. 956 00:49:55,126 --> 00:49:58,995 He was very aggressive, you know. 957 00:49:58,997 --> 00:50:03,966 -You can drive hard and you can even drive extra hard, 958 00:50:03,968 --> 00:50:06,002 And you're not gonna win any races. 959 00:50:06,004 --> 00:50:07,470 The only way that you're ever gonna win a race 960 00:50:07,472 --> 00:50:12,041 Is just to be right on the edge of it all the time. 961 00:50:12,043 --> 00:50:15,978 -He was not afraid to test the limits. 962 00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:19,081 And sometimes, you got to get off and go off the track 963 00:50:19,083 --> 00:50:23,085 Or brush that wall to find out where the limit is. 964 00:50:23,087 --> 00:50:24,653 -Oh, newman and bowman have gone off. 965 00:50:24,655 --> 00:50:25,821 -And he's had a lot of spins, 966 00:50:25,823 --> 00:50:27,790 And there have been a couple of times 967 00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,225 When he didn't come around. 968 00:50:29,227 --> 00:50:31,027 You know, when I'm sitting, waiting, and saying, 969 00:50:31,029 --> 00:50:32,528 Like, "what happened? 970 00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:33,963 Where did he go?" 971 00:50:33,965 --> 00:50:38,667 -Newman was on viagra before they even made viagra. 972 00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:41,237 He was a hard-dick brother. 973 00:50:43,807 --> 00:50:45,841 -I didn't want to see him do it, 974 00:50:45,843 --> 00:50:47,710 Because it was dangerous, 975 00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:50,546 And I didn't want to see anything happen to him. 976 00:50:50,548 --> 00:50:55,151 -I think everybody wanted him to quit racing except him. 977 00:50:57,487 --> 00:50:59,555 -He was under no pressure to win. 978 00:50:59,557 --> 00:51:02,591 -He was under no pressure to go fast. 979 00:51:02,593 --> 00:51:04,093 He didn't have to. 980 00:51:04,095 --> 00:51:05,928 That's not how he made a living. 981 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:08,931 He was challenging himself as a man. 982 00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:11,400 -What's your strategy going to be? 983 00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:14,904 -Just drive the race and try to stay alive. 984 00:51:14,906 --> 00:51:19,075 -A racing driver is very aware of the fact 985 00:51:19,077 --> 00:51:21,277 That death can happen at any time 986 00:51:21,279 --> 00:51:24,346 Just because you're going so fast and there's 987 00:51:24,348 --> 00:51:27,450 So many things out of your control -- 988 00:51:32,656 --> 00:51:34,190 The weather, other cars, 989 00:51:34,192 --> 00:51:38,260 Mechanical failures, tire failures. 990 00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:42,031 But you're so passionate about being a race driver 991 00:51:42,033 --> 00:51:45,935 That that overcomes all those senses. 992 00:51:45,937 --> 00:51:48,971 -The biggest vintage-car race in the country 993 00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:50,506 Is the monterey historics. 994 00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:55,244 In 2010, one of the cars I drove was the 1958 scarab. 995 00:51:55,246 --> 00:51:57,379 The race started, we went over the hill, 996 00:51:57,381 --> 00:51:59,381 And just before the andretti hairpin, 997 00:51:59,383 --> 00:52:02,184 One car misjudged the speed of the car 998 00:52:02,186 --> 00:52:05,287 That he was catching at the back of the pack and spun. 999 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:08,390 The car right behind him lost control trying to avoid him, 1000 00:52:08,392 --> 00:52:12,128 Hit the guardrail on the inside, and bounced across the track 1001 00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:14,530 As I passed and ran into me in the back -- 1002 00:52:14,532 --> 00:52:19,268 My left rear corner -- and started flipping the car. 1003 00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:23,672 After the crash, the car was loaded on a flatbed -- 1004 00:52:23,674 --> 00:52:24,874 Well, the remains of it. 1005 00:52:24,876 --> 00:52:27,009 And, in essence, it was destroyed. 1006 00:52:27,011 --> 00:52:29,011 But you can fix anything, 1007 00:52:29,013 --> 00:52:31,747 Especially when it's worth $6 million. 1008 00:52:33,383 --> 00:52:35,818 And I thought my neck was broken, 1009 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,154 But I raced again in a month. 1010 00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:40,422 -You know what this reminds me of? The theater. 1011 00:52:40,424 --> 00:52:44,960 It has its audience, its cast, its drama, comedy, 1012 00:52:44,962 --> 00:52:47,630 And sometimes it's tragedy, too. 1013 00:52:51,501 --> 00:52:53,369 -Things happen in a microsecond, 1014 00:52:53,371 --> 00:52:56,906 And sometimes it's not in your control 1015 00:52:56,908 --> 00:52:59,542 Like it wasn't in rolf's control. 1016 00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:03,646 In the l.A. Times grand prix in 1983, 1017 00:53:03,648 --> 00:53:07,650 Going into turn 9 at well over 200 miles an hour, 1018 00:53:07,652 --> 00:53:09,618 His rear wing broke. 1019 00:53:11,788 --> 00:53:14,056 Paul understood the danger 1020 00:53:14,058 --> 00:53:18,360 Of racing firsthand after rolf died. 1021 00:53:30,407 --> 00:53:32,541 -Paul loved making salad dressing, 1022 00:53:32,543 --> 00:53:35,211 And at christmas time, he and a.E. Hotchner, 1023 00:53:35,213 --> 00:53:37,346 The author, would make up salad dressing. 1024 00:53:37,348 --> 00:53:38,948 They'd put it in an old wine split, 1025 00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:41,850 And they'd give it to the neighbors and the relatives. 1026 00:53:41,852 --> 00:53:43,485 And on a Saturday night cookout, 1027 00:53:43,487 --> 00:53:46,088 Often we'd barbecue out at the track where the guys 1028 00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:47,289 Are working on the car. 1029 00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:49,959 Paul would go get all the ingredients 1030 00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:51,260 To make his salad dressing. 1031 00:53:51,262 --> 00:53:53,929 So we'd have salad and hamburger and fruit, 1032 00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:55,364 And he would say, you know, 1033 00:53:55,366 --> 00:53:59,335 "I really want to go into salad-dressing business." 1034 00:53:59,337 --> 00:54:02,371 Sam posey's wife designed the label, 1035 00:54:02,373 --> 00:54:04,540 And paul newman was in the salad-dressing business. 1036 00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:08,277 -He and my wife, ellen, started hanging out. 1037 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:11,046 He said, you know, "I'd like the label to be not one 1038 00:54:11,048 --> 00:54:13,515 Of the traditional salad dressings. 1039 00:54:13,517 --> 00:54:16,652 Would you be interested in doing the label for me?" 1040 00:54:16,654 --> 00:54:19,355 So she said sure, and she came and mocked one up 1041 00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:21,523 Right within a day right there. 1042 00:54:21,525 --> 00:54:25,094 And he loved that, and that's the way it went. 1043 00:54:25,096 --> 00:54:27,663 He name is actually in among the leaves. 1044 00:54:27,665 --> 00:54:31,333 And so, we figure she's the most reproduced fine artist 1045 00:54:31,335 --> 00:54:33,068 In the history of the world. 1046 00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:35,137 -The second that someone said, "the only way 1047 00:54:35,139 --> 00:54:36,872 You're gonna make this work" is to put your face 1048 00:54:36,874 --> 00:54:41,644 On the label, that's the second the money went to charity. 1049 00:54:44,381 --> 00:54:46,348 -I think that you have a choice 1050 00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:48,984 About what you're gonna do your life with success. 1051 00:54:48,986 --> 00:54:52,521 Some people want to further it or you want to stop 1052 00:54:52,523 --> 00:54:55,257 And say, "look, I don't need that much." 1053 00:54:55,259 --> 00:54:56,825 I would get more satisfaction 1054 00:54:56,827 --> 00:55:00,462 If I can create some kind of a mechanism 1055 00:55:00,464 --> 00:55:03,565 To give other people an opportunity they may not have. 1056 00:55:03,567 --> 00:55:08,103 Paul chose the camp for sick kids. 1057 00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:10,205 -We have five in the United States. 1058 00:55:10,207 --> 00:55:11,507 We have one in ireland, 1059 00:55:11,509 --> 00:55:13,809 One in France, one in the south of England. 1060 00:55:13,811 --> 00:55:17,980 I think this year, we had 13,000 kids in camp -- 1061 00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:19,815 All of it free. 1062 00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,587 -Paul was precise. So was jim. 1063 00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:28,724 I mean, these are two very professional road racers, 1064 00:55:28,726 --> 00:55:32,661 And both wanted to beat each other with a passion. 1065 00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:38,567 There were times when fitzy would dive-bomb paul. 1066 00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:42,471 There was also times where "honor the senior friend 1067 00:55:42,473 --> 00:55:44,340 Who helps all of this happen." 1068 00:55:44,342 --> 00:55:47,676 So it wasn't an, "after you, alphonse," kind of a deal. 1069 00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:53,215 Yet I think paul would put together more consistent laps 1070 00:55:53,217 --> 00:55:56,852 To have a little bit of an edge on fitzy. 1071 00:55:58,755 --> 00:56:02,624 -The battle shaping up -- paul and fitzy battling for the lead. 1072 00:56:02,626 --> 00:56:04,727 He's got fitzgerald right on his tail. 1073 00:56:04,729 --> 00:56:07,496 And, sure, paul knows and likes fitzy. 1074 00:56:07,498 --> 00:56:09,231 Theirs is one of the oldest friendships 1075 00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:10,499 In the sport. 1076 00:56:10,501 --> 00:56:13,235 Last lap -- the pace has not slackened. 1077 00:56:13,237 --> 00:56:15,637 Jim fitzgerald has pushed hard the whole way, 1078 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,741 But newman hasn't faltered, nor has his car. 1079 00:56:18,743 --> 00:56:20,776 It looks like he's going to win this one the way 1080 00:56:20,778 --> 00:56:25,047 He won his last national championship back in '79 -- 1081 00:56:25,049 --> 00:56:26,849 Wire-to-wire. 1082 00:56:37,994 --> 00:56:43,265 -I mean, I never heard him lord over people, "I won this race." 1083 00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:44,633 He would say, "I was very lucky. " 1084 00:56:44,635 --> 00:56:46,368 You know, "when we were doing this, 1085 00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:48,337 I was fortunate enough to have this crew --" 1086 00:56:48,339 --> 00:56:50,472 Whatever it might be. 1087 00:56:50,474 --> 00:56:53,275 I wouldn't see him today tweeting out victories 1088 00:56:53,277 --> 00:56:55,377 Or sending facebook pictures. 1089 00:56:55,379 --> 00:56:56,779 You know, it just makes me laugh. 1090 00:56:56,781 --> 00:57:00,649 It's that sort of stoic, american way. 1091 00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:13,695 -I like the kind of racing where there's no spectators. 1092 00:57:13,697 --> 00:57:16,432 That seems like a rather sour thing to say, 1093 00:57:16,434 --> 00:57:19,768 But that's when I have the most fun. 1094 00:57:25,575 --> 00:57:28,210 -Just flip it up, and it'll take a little less 1095 00:57:28,212 --> 00:57:30,546 Drain off before you start it. 1096 00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:40,222 -Paul had a desire to go out to tracks 1097 00:57:40,224 --> 00:57:46,695 And run cars during periods when he was making films. 1098 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,934 -When paul did "the color of money" with tom... 1099 00:57:51,936 --> 00:57:53,101 -Pretty damn good. 1100 00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:54,636 -Not bad for a blind man. 1101 00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:56,905 -...After days of filming, he would go find 1102 00:57:56,907 --> 00:57:59,741 Some little 1/8-of-a-mile dirt track or something 1103 00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:02,544 And take a few laps to blow off the steam. 1104 00:58:02,546 --> 00:58:05,247 He had so much fun, he said, "hey, tom, why don't you come on 1105 00:58:05,249 --> 00:58:06,615 Out with me and have some fun 1106 00:58:06,617 --> 00:58:08,317 Running around this little racetrack?" 1107 00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:09,685 Well, tom had a ball. 1108 00:58:09,687 --> 00:58:11,687 So paul called me up, and he said, "do you think 1109 00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:15,591 Nissan would make a showroom stock car available for tom?" 1110 00:58:15,593 --> 00:58:19,361 The demographic for tom for all of our sponsors was terrific. 1111 00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:21,630 So, absolutely, nissan was interested. 1112 00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:25,901 -He's been up in f-15s so he knows what that... 1113 00:58:25,903 --> 00:58:29,538 You know, what the big roller coaster is like. 1114 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,773 I think he was probably more excited by the driving 1115 00:58:31,775 --> 00:58:34,510 Than he was by the flying. 1116 00:58:34,512 --> 00:58:36,645 -Of course, that car had a sudden death 1117 00:58:36,647 --> 00:58:39,181 At watkins glen at about 80 miles an hour 1118 00:58:39,183 --> 00:58:41,650 Into the guardrail. 1119 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:45,454 Tom wanted to win immediately, and I did everything I could. 1120 00:58:45,456 --> 00:58:46,722 I had a lot of fun with tom, 1121 00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:49,157 But I tried to get him to have the patience, 1122 00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,693 And many times, you know, he was racing against 1123 00:58:51,695 --> 00:58:53,829 People who had ten years' experience on him. 1124 00:58:53,831 --> 00:58:56,398 Well, tom won a couple of races during the year, 1125 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,934 So he had the potential of doing very well. 1126 00:58:58,936 --> 00:59:01,637 But he'd tried to cover up a mistake immediately, 1127 00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,805 Which often got him into a bigger mistake. 1128 00:59:03,807 --> 00:59:06,275 -He's off the track. He's trying to correct. 1129 00:59:06,277 --> 00:59:08,944 -It's 90% mental, 10% physical. 1130 00:59:08,946 --> 00:59:12,347 The discipline, you know, plays such a key part. 1131 00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:13,849 That's the most challenging, definitely. 1132 00:59:13,851 --> 00:59:15,851 I really haven't had the amount of time 1133 00:59:15,853 --> 00:59:19,154 That I need to really form a relationship with the car 1134 00:59:19,156 --> 00:59:24,026 And understand what it's gonna do under extreme conditions. 1135 00:59:24,028 --> 00:59:25,661 -Paul pulled him aside. 1136 00:59:25,663 --> 00:59:28,430 We sent him to fitzy a half a dozen times 1137 00:59:28,432 --> 00:59:29,831 Down to road atlanta, 1138 00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:33,001 'cause here's the chief instructor uncle fitzy, 1139 00:59:33,003 --> 00:59:34,369 And fitzy loved tom. 1140 00:59:34,371 --> 00:59:35,837 They got along very, very well. 1141 00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:39,241 And we put together his showroom stock two different classes, 1142 00:59:39,243 --> 00:59:45,347 Which led to tom doing the film, "days of thunder." 1143 00:59:46,816 --> 00:59:50,152 The second year, at pocono, tom got into a problem 1144 00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:52,888 On the bow and instead of spinning the car, 1145 00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:55,424 He corrected, and it went into the guardrail 1146 00:59:55,426 --> 00:59:57,559 At about 130 miles an hour. 1147 00:59:57,561 --> 01:00:00,329 I think that was maybe the time 1148 01:00:00,331 --> 01:00:02,564 When mimi and tom had a discussion 1149 01:00:02,566 --> 01:00:06,935 That maybe the two years of racing was enough. 1150 01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:10,339 In a way, we were sorry to see tom not stay with racing, 1151 01:00:10,341 --> 01:00:15,377 But we have also were happy to see him retire unhurt. 1152 01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:21,583 -Whoo! 1153 01:00:21,585 --> 01:00:23,585 -There was no doubt who the star 1154 01:00:23,587 --> 01:00:27,055 Of the 1986 valvoline road racing classic was. 1155 01:00:27,057 --> 01:00:30,592 It's newman's fourth national championship. 1156 01:00:30,594 --> 01:00:31,960 I guess he's on a bit of a roll. 1157 01:00:31,962 --> 01:00:34,630 -Newman, who's known as a serious racer driver, 1158 01:00:34,632 --> 01:00:38,533 Won the road atlanta gt1 national championship. 1159 01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:41,169 -So, I'm getting a little long in the tooth. 1160 01:00:41,171 --> 01:00:43,839 It's nice. The young princes are coming up. 1161 01:00:43,841 --> 01:00:47,676 And it's time to let somebody else sit on the chair up here. 1162 01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:50,512 -Paul newman, the winner. The popcorn's a winner. 1163 01:00:50,514 --> 01:00:53,048 Maybe he'll get an oscar this year. 1164 01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:56,418 -The pressure to win grew as he did win, 1165 01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:58,620 And people expected him to win again, 1166 01:00:58,622 --> 01:01:02,157 And he had to force the issue quite a few times. 1167 01:01:04,293 --> 01:01:08,263 -When I went to the road atlanta for the runoffs my first year 1168 01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:09,665 Is when I first paul newman. 1169 01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:11,767 He was clean most of the time, 1170 01:01:11,769 --> 01:01:13,669 But it just seemed that there were times 1171 01:01:13,671 --> 01:01:15,837 When he didn't qualify well that he didn't deal 1172 01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,973 With that very well, and he knew he had a very fast car. 1173 01:01:17,975 --> 01:01:19,675 So there were times when he would sort 1174 01:01:19,677 --> 01:01:21,576 Of give it a real charge at the start 1175 01:01:21,578 --> 01:01:24,946 And try to maybe "pass more cars before turn 1" kind of a thing. 1176 01:01:24,948 --> 01:01:27,783 That's usually where the problems happened. 1177 01:01:27,785 --> 01:01:30,318 -And here comes a thundering herd with newman in front. 1178 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,853 -Newman on the inside. -Uh-oh! 1179 01:01:31,855 --> 01:01:35,223 Newman and herb here tangle and try out a tire barrier. 1180 01:01:35,225 --> 01:01:37,959 -And there as herb tried to turn into the corner, there was newman. 1181 01:01:37,961 --> 01:01:40,495 But I'm not convinced either one would've made the turn. 1182 01:01:40,497 --> 01:01:42,964 -I guess our paths really crossed in an official capacity 1183 01:01:42,966 --> 01:01:45,734 When we were both racing professionally in the '80s 1184 01:01:45,736 --> 01:01:46,968 In the trans-am series. 1185 01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:48,870 And to literally say our paths crossed, 1186 01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:51,907 It was when we kind of crashed into each other. 1187 01:01:56,579 --> 01:01:58,113 But he remembered it, 1188 01:01:58,115 --> 01:02:01,049 Because when he gave me a ride on his scooter 1189 01:02:01,051 --> 01:02:04,753 On the way to our cars on the pit lane, almost 15, 20 1190 01:02:04,755 --> 01:02:07,989 Years later, I asked him to autograph that photograph. 1191 01:02:07,991 --> 01:02:10,792 And when he did, he wrote, "rear-ended again." 1192 01:02:10,794 --> 01:02:13,328 So I'm like, I think he remembered... 1193 01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:14,730 -Yeah. -...Those times, 1194 01:02:14,732 --> 01:02:17,365 You know, in the past. 1195 01:02:17,367 --> 01:02:20,268 -I don't know. -Are we ready? 1196 01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:26,441 -Racing against him, he wouldn't give you any room. 1197 01:02:26,443 --> 01:02:29,044 You had to work for it. 1198 01:02:29,046 --> 01:02:32,114 But he knew the reality in that sport. 1199 01:02:32,116 --> 01:02:36,518 You can, at the minimum, get hurt real bad -- 1200 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,187 At the minimum. 1201 01:02:42,825 --> 01:02:45,627 -We ran jim basically in the southeast, 1202 01:02:45,629 --> 01:02:46,995 And we ran in the northeast. 1203 01:02:46,997 --> 01:02:50,265 Now, at a few races -- mid-ohio maybe, 1204 01:02:50,267 --> 01:02:51,600 Elkhart lake, wisconsin, 1205 01:02:51,602 --> 01:02:54,836 Road atlanta -- we'd all come together. 1206 01:02:54,838 --> 01:02:58,507 We were racing two trans-am cars at st. Petersburg. 1207 01:02:58,509 --> 01:03:00,075 Paul was ahead of fitzy. 1208 01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:02,477 -Elliot forbes-robinson of the number-11 porsche, 1209 01:03:02,479 --> 01:03:03,779 And paul newman 1210 01:03:03,781 --> 01:03:05,680 Who moved up from sixth to fifth at the start. 1211 01:03:05,682 --> 01:03:07,883 -And fitzy came down the straightaway 1212 01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,051 And never braked for turn 1. 1213 01:03:10,053 --> 01:03:12,821 -There you see jim fitzgerald in the number 38 nissan. 1214 01:03:12,823 --> 01:03:14,523 -It looks like he clipped the wall on the outside there, 1215 01:03:14,525 --> 01:03:17,492 As you can see it on the left, and spun violently into that wall. 1216 01:03:17,494 --> 01:03:20,495 That's a very dangerous part of this track, actually. 1217 01:03:20,497 --> 01:03:22,063 -He hit the jersey barrier 1218 01:03:22,065 --> 01:03:25,700 And careened backwards and went into the second one 1219 01:03:25,702 --> 01:03:28,170 From whatever speed to zero in two feet. 1220 01:03:28,172 --> 01:03:30,772 -You can see jim fitzgerald still inside the car 1221 01:03:30,774 --> 01:03:32,207 And not moving. 1222 01:03:32,209 --> 01:03:34,776 -He broke his neck when he hit the second barrier, 1223 01:03:34,778 --> 01:03:37,679 So he was probably dead instantly. 1224 01:03:37,681 --> 01:03:39,915 -How did paul do in that race? 1225 01:03:39,917 --> 01:03:42,717 -He ran a couple laps and pulled in. 1226 01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,121 -He couldn't continue? -No, he couldn't continue. 1227 01:04:16,085 --> 01:04:20,088 -Now, you know, we have some go-karts over there. 1228 01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:23,959 -Nbc has these long studios, and they're all empty. 1229 01:04:23,961 --> 01:04:27,395 So the hallway goes for 1/4 mile that way, 1230 01:04:27,397 --> 01:04:28,797 Go right, 1/4 mile back. 1231 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:31,533 I said, "let's get some go-karts, and we'll race." 1232 01:04:31,535 --> 01:04:33,268 There's your car right there. 1233 01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:36,471 So I'm practicing all day, and I'm, "this will be easy." 1234 01:04:36,473 --> 01:04:37,606 You know, newman comes in, 1235 01:04:37,608 --> 01:04:39,975 Looks at it, and he just gets that... 1236 01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:43,545 When you see that racer glance, which I obviously do not have. 1237 01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:46,848 -Paul, do you have any advice or otherwise for your man here? 1238 01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:50,051 -Pray for your life. 1239 01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:53,955 -He gets in the car and...Zing! 1240 01:04:53,957 --> 01:04:56,992 I mean, just a master driver. 1241 01:04:56,994 --> 01:04:59,127 He jut had that innate ability, 1242 01:04:59,129 --> 01:05:01,162 Which is frustrating for people like me, 1243 01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:04,466 Who love this but realize I don't have the skill. 1244 01:05:04,468 --> 01:05:06,935 I don't have the ability, but he really did. 1245 01:05:06,937 --> 01:05:10,872 I mean, he beat me so horrendously bad -- 1246 01:05:10,874 --> 01:05:14,542 Killed me, just killed me. 1247 01:05:14,544 --> 01:05:17,178 -Paul newman manages to win. 1248 01:05:20,316 --> 01:05:25,020 -This bud's for the paul newman can-am racing team. 1249 01:05:30,293 --> 01:05:34,462 -The can-am series was pretty much ending, 1250 01:05:34,464 --> 01:05:35,997 And he had a team, 1251 01:05:35,999 --> 01:05:40,669 So I suggested that maybe he would partner with carl haas. 1252 01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:42,904 -I raced against paul newman. 1253 01:05:42,906 --> 01:05:46,775 I had a race team at that time in the can-am series, 1254 01:05:46,777 --> 01:05:49,044 And paul had a team. 1255 01:05:49,046 --> 01:05:51,379 We weren't particularly friends. 1256 01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:52,647 -If we were in politics, 1257 01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:55,116 We'd probably be castor and rumsfeld. 1258 01:05:55,118 --> 01:05:58,586 -Carl was the importer of the lola cars. 1259 01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,055 Paul was the customer. 1260 01:06:00,057 --> 01:06:02,457 -The cars were always delivered late and over weight. 1261 01:06:02,459 --> 01:06:07,062 -Paul was accusing carl of selling him heavy cars, 1262 01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:09,831 And, you know, not giving him any sort of an advantage 1263 01:06:09,833 --> 01:06:13,401 Because carl was competing against him. 1264 01:06:15,104 --> 01:06:19,140 -For 1982, I wanted to get my ending program together. 1265 01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:21,376 And what you really need if you want to be 1266 01:06:21,378 --> 01:06:25,146 Successful in this thing is you need a good driver. 1267 01:06:25,148 --> 01:06:26,381 You need a top driver 1268 01:06:26,383 --> 01:06:29,150 And then the rest of will come to you easier. 1269 01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:32,988 -I was used a little bit to bring the team together. 1270 01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:34,956 Carl was pretty smart about it. 1271 01:06:34,958 --> 01:06:38,326 What he did is he hired me to drive his formula 4, 1272 01:06:38,328 --> 01:06:41,162 And in doing so, he had my dad now at the races, 1273 01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:46,134 So in the background, he got closer to my father. 1274 01:06:46,136 --> 01:06:48,436 -He was world champion on formula 1. 1275 01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:52,874 He won races in nascar racing, he won races in dirt tracks, 1276 01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:57,746 He won races in indy cars, he won the indy 500. 1277 01:06:57,748 --> 01:07:00,015 He was the best in the world. 1278 01:07:00,017 --> 01:07:02,617 -I wanted to be part of a different team 1279 01:07:02,619 --> 01:07:04,419 After the '82 season. 1280 01:07:04,421 --> 01:07:08,656 I said, "carl, what about," I said, "a partnership with, 1281 01:07:08,658 --> 01:07:09,858 Like, paul newman?" 1282 01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:11,292 "oh, yeah, yeah. 1283 01:07:11,294 --> 01:07:14,429 I mean, carl, you know, jumped on that immediately. 1284 01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:18,199 -I won a can-am series dive, carl called and said, 1285 01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:21,870 "how would you like to start an open-wheel racing team?" 1286 01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:24,172 I said, "not a chance in hell, carl." 1287 01:07:24,174 --> 01:07:27,175 He said, "what if mario was driving?" 1288 01:07:27,177 --> 01:07:31,079 I said, "where would you like to meet?" 1289 01:07:31,081 --> 01:07:33,782 It wasn't just that he was a fierce competitor, 1290 01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:37,052 There was a real joy and delight. 1291 01:07:37,054 --> 01:07:39,587 The way he got in that car, I mean, 1292 01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:44,059 He just snuggled up to it like a really good-looking lady, 1293 01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:48,163 And he enjoyed everything about it. 1294 01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:54,536 -When we first started off, he had a lola car built for us 1295 01:07:56,572 --> 01:07:59,474 And we took the car out racing to begin with, those first few 1296 01:07:59,476 --> 01:08:03,912 Races in indianapolis, and the car was really bad. 1297 01:08:03,914 --> 01:08:06,147 Mario had a crash at indy. 1298 01:08:06,149 --> 01:08:07,615 -He's just -- -uh-oh! 1299 01:08:07,617 --> 01:08:11,086 -That's the yellow car, johnny parsons, mario andretti. 1300 01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:13,955 -Oh, no, mario. -Andretti he hit the wall. 1301 01:08:13,957 --> 01:08:16,257 -So we had a bad time. 1302 01:08:21,163 --> 01:08:23,364 -Carl was all business. 1303 01:08:23,366 --> 01:08:27,102 The guy that would do anything necessary 1304 01:08:27,104 --> 01:08:29,270 To get the basic ingredients, 1305 01:08:29,272 --> 01:08:31,840 The best pit boss, the best engineer, you know, 1306 01:08:31,842 --> 01:08:33,641 The best driver, the best everything 1307 01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:36,678 As far as running the team. 1308 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,946 -Yeah! 1309 01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:41,950 -The flying frenchman has done it again. 1310 01:08:41,952 --> 01:08:43,685 -You can't even describe carl haas. 1311 01:08:43,687 --> 01:08:48,189 He was that guy who had been in the racing business forever, 1312 01:08:48,191 --> 01:08:52,327 Who was very mystic, you know, was blessing the cars 1313 01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:55,630 Before the race, and paul being so candid 1314 01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:59,534 About, you know, racing and just, you know, enjoying it. 1315 01:08:59,536 --> 01:09:02,704 -Paul was the guy that would just keep everything 1316 01:09:02,706 --> 01:09:04,105 Under control, if you will. 1317 01:09:04,107 --> 01:09:06,307 If I had a misunderstanding with carl, 1318 01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:11,112 Paul would always be the one to come in and smooth things out. 1319 01:09:11,114 --> 01:09:13,281 -19-year-old graham rahal 1320 01:09:13,283 --> 01:09:16,284 In his first indy-car series start will win, 1321 01:09:16,286 --> 01:09:20,421 The honda grand prix at st. Pete. 1322 01:09:20,423 --> 01:09:23,291 -He was always that type of owner that wasn't really 1323 01:09:23,293 --> 01:09:24,993 A boss, just more of a friend, 1324 01:09:24,995 --> 01:09:28,096 And I just loved being around him. 1325 01:09:28,098 --> 01:09:30,131 -He was really good to drive for, 1326 01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:31,900 'cause he understood the pressures 1327 01:09:31,902 --> 01:09:34,402 That the drivers were under. 1328 01:09:36,572 --> 01:09:39,574 He would let his guys do what they do best. 1329 01:09:39,576 --> 01:09:43,444 -With a very consistent engineering office, 1330 01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:47,248 Mechanics mostly stayed the same for the five years I was there. 1331 01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:50,218 So it was just a very well-sorted team. 1332 01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,253 -Those four years that we were together before I 1333 01:09:52,255 --> 01:09:55,657 Left for formula 1 were probably my favorite times of racing. 1334 01:09:55,659 --> 01:09:59,961 I really felt like it was a family team from paul and carl 1335 01:09:59,963 --> 01:10:02,263 To, I mean, obviously, dad and myself. 1336 01:10:02,265 --> 01:10:05,867 I mean, it was just a perfect situation. 1337 01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:08,970 -5,000 people here for andretti. 1338 01:10:08,972 --> 01:10:11,206 His first victory at long beach. 1339 01:10:11,208 --> 01:10:13,942 There's even hugging and kissing going on. 1340 01:10:13,944 --> 01:10:15,877 -During the first couple years or so, 1341 01:10:15,879 --> 01:10:17,178 Paul and I weren't real close, 1342 01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:19,981 But I think we came closer as time went by. 1343 01:10:19,983 --> 01:10:24,018 -I had the longest stint in my career for a single team 1344 01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:26,287 By driving for paul newman and carl haas. 1345 01:10:26,289 --> 01:10:29,257 -You couldn't find any more opposite people 1346 01:10:29,259 --> 01:10:31,159 To work together and form one 1347 01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329 Of the best race teams in america ever. 1348 01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:37,966 -Michael andretti, as he receives the congratulations 1349 01:10:37,968 --> 01:10:39,634 Of his pit crew. 1350 01:10:39,636 --> 01:10:42,637 -This day is all about cristiano de matta, 1351 01:10:42,639 --> 01:10:45,640 Who has clinched the championship. 1352 01:10:45,642 --> 01:10:49,277 -And there is the checkered flag for nigel mansell. 1353 01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:51,346 -Here comes paul newman now. 1354 01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:54,515 I think you get the idea of how much it means to this team. 1355 01:10:54,517 --> 01:10:59,487 -This man in 2004 and again in 2005 is the series champion. 1356 01:10:59,489 --> 01:11:02,323 -The frenchman sebastien bourdais 1357 01:11:02,325 --> 01:11:05,260 Is going to do something nobody's done before -- 1358 01:11:05,262 --> 01:11:09,564 Four straight champ car titles. 1359 01:11:22,544 --> 01:11:26,214 -Will we ever paul newman or another racing film 1360 01:11:26,216 --> 01:11:27,682 Like "winning" maybe again some day? 1361 01:11:27,684 --> 01:11:30,418 -I've been looking for a script, a good script, for 12 years, 1362 01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:33,521 And I have not been able to find one. 1363 01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:41,029 -I was determined, even though it was an animated film 1364 01:11:41,031 --> 01:11:43,298 With cars as the characters. 1365 01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:46,267 But I wanted it to be authentic. 1366 01:11:46,269 --> 01:11:48,469 I wanted the racing to be authentic. 1367 01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:50,438 I wanted the pit stops to be authentic. 1368 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:55,043 As they talk about the racing, I wanted it to be authentic. 1369 01:11:55,045 --> 01:11:56,577 I've always been a big paul newman fan, 1370 01:11:56,579 --> 01:12:00,448 But also, I was very aware that he was really 1371 01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:02,583 Quite a talented race car driver. 1372 01:12:02,585 --> 01:12:05,586 And we started thinking, "I wonder if paul newman 1373 01:12:05,588 --> 01:12:08,389 Would be willing to do a voice in our film." 1374 01:12:08,391 --> 01:12:10,358 -If I want him out of my court room, 1375 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,193 I want him out of our town. 1376 01:12:12,195 --> 01:12:14,262 -I mean, this is like shooting for the moon. 1377 01:12:14,264 --> 01:12:16,831 I mean, paul newman, the greatest american actor. 1378 01:12:16,833 --> 01:12:19,467 You know, I'm always like, "well, let's give it a try. 1379 01:12:19,469 --> 01:12:21,736 I mean, the worst is he'll say 'no.'" 1380 01:12:21,738 --> 01:12:24,305 And soon after that, we got the word that, yes, 1381 01:12:24,307 --> 01:12:26,074 He would love to do this. 1382 01:12:26,076 --> 01:12:28,609 He's really smart, 1383 01:12:28,611 --> 01:12:31,479 And what he loved about it was the history. 1384 01:12:31,481 --> 01:12:33,548 And we started talking about the hudson 1, 1385 01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:38,419 And he started giving me his knowledge and memory of it, 1386 01:12:38,421 --> 01:12:41,656 And how it influenced modern cars and so on. 1387 01:12:41,658 --> 01:12:45,226 One of the great things about paul newman 1388 01:12:45,228 --> 01:12:47,862 Is his knowledge of racing. 1389 01:12:47,864 --> 01:12:51,899 And his knowledge of racing helped make the character 1390 01:12:51,901 --> 01:12:53,368 Of doc hudson in "cars" 1391 01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:56,170 A much deeper and much more complex character. 1392 01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,505 -Look at those trophies! -You look, 1393 01:12:57,507 --> 01:13:01,876 All I see is a bunch of empty cups. 1394 01:13:01,878 --> 01:13:08,216 -There's just a quality when he gets into the joy of racing. 1395 01:13:08,218 --> 01:13:10,885 There's words he uses, phrases he uses. 1396 01:13:10,887 --> 01:13:16,724 And if you watch doc hudson in "cars," it's paul. 1397 01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:20,395 -All right, you can drive as good as you can fix a road. 1398 01:13:20,397 --> 01:13:22,663 -He's getting excited with lightning mcqueen 1399 01:13:22,665 --> 01:13:26,567 On the track in the final race, and he just goes, "hot snot! 1400 01:13:26,569 --> 01:13:29,036 We're back in business!" -hot snot! 1401 01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:30,304 We are back in business. 1402 01:13:30,306 --> 01:13:33,574 -That was so funny, and it was pure him. 1403 01:13:33,576 --> 01:13:37,812 We had the scene where he is teaching 1404 01:13:37,814 --> 01:13:39,614 Lighting mcqueen to drive on dirt, 1405 01:13:39,616 --> 01:13:43,518 And as I talked to these guys who drive on dirt, 1406 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,155 There's a term they use, which we loved, 1407 01:13:47,157 --> 01:13:50,625 Is that you turn right to go left. 1408 01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:53,161 -If you're going hard enough left, 1409 01:13:53,163 --> 01:13:54,595 You'll find yourself turning right. 1410 01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:57,932 -He says, "no, you don't just turn right to go left. 1411 01:13:57,934 --> 01:14:02,069 If you just turn the wheel, you're gonna go that direction. 1412 01:14:02,071 --> 01:14:03,838 You got to break it loose, 1413 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,275 And then you start steering into the turn." 1414 01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:09,744 And he really was defining it, 1415 01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:11,345 And if you watch the movie, 1416 01:14:11,347 --> 01:14:13,648 That's exactly what doc hudson says. 1417 01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:16,317 -You got to pitch it hard, break it loose, 1418 01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,653 And just drive it with the throttle. 1419 01:14:18,655 --> 01:14:20,621 -And it's great, 'cause autoweek magazine 1420 01:14:20,623 --> 01:14:23,157 Called it the best car movie ever 1421 01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:26,127 Because of all the details and how we got it right. 1422 01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:30,131 And that is in great part to paul newman, and, 1423 01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:31,532 You know, what he gave to us. 1424 01:14:31,534 --> 01:14:36,103 And he knew we were striving to be authentic. 1425 01:14:36,105 --> 01:14:37,538 And he was there for us 1426 01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:40,475 And shared his enthusiasm for racing, 1427 01:14:40,477 --> 01:14:43,878 His passion for racing, his knowledge of racing. 1428 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,815 And he wanted that in the movie, and it's there. 1429 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:50,751 -You got a lot of stuff, kid. 1430 01:14:55,591 --> 01:14:57,992 -We got this for paul newman. 1431 01:14:59,928 --> 01:15:04,065 We wish him very good luck and many more races. 1432 01:15:08,136 --> 01:15:10,505 -It's gonna be very hard to quit, 1433 01:15:10,507 --> 01:15:13,441 But, at some point, you lose your endurance. 1434 01:15:13,443 --> 01:15:14,775 Boy, in the middle of July, 1435 01:15:14,777 --> 01:15:17,812 And it's 130, 140 degrees in that car -- 1436 01:15:17,814 --> 01:15:20,781 I'll tell you, it takes it out of you pretty quickly. 1437 01:15:20,783 --> 01:15:26,354 -He semi-retired, and he bought one of our nissan turbo cars. 1438 01:15:26,356 --> 01:15:27,855 He was, at that point, 1439 01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:30,525 Ready to do tuesdays at lime rock for fun. 1440 01:15:30,527 --> 01:15:32,560 Well, he had so much fun doing that 1441 01:15:32,562 --> 01:15:34,495 That he decided to race it seriously. 1442 01:15:34,497 --> 01:15:37,465 I said, "well, paul, if you want to race a lot, 1443 01:15:37,467 --> 01:15:41,135 Why don't you buy a ex-trans-am car?" 1444 01:15:41,137 --> 01:15:42,670 -It's a trans-am tried car, 1445 01:15:42,672 --> 01:15:46,707 Two-year frame, a lot of horsepower -- 1446 01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:49,877 We get around the course in under a minute. 1447 01:15:54,516 --> 01:15:56,517 To know that you've done a lap 1448 01:15:56,519 --> 01:15:59,520 Where you put everything together a couple, three, 1449 01:15:59,522 --> 01:16:03,424 Four times in a row, that's exciting. 1450 01:16:03,426 --> 01:16:06,060 And especially when you get to be my age, 1451 01:16:06,062 --> 01:16:09,897 It's just a privilege to be able to sit in that car. 1452 01:16:13,602 --> 01:16:16,504 -His last couple of races were here, 1453 01:16:16,506 --> 01:16:18,439 And one of them was in the rain. 1454 01:16:18,441 --> 01:16:20,207 And he was just brilliant. 1455 01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:21,642 I mean, he was 82. 1456 01:16:21,644 --> 01:16:24,145 The car number was his age. 1457 01:16:27,015 --> 01:16:32,053 -Paul ran against a whole bunch of trans-am quality drivers 1458 01:16:32,055 --> 01:16:33,988 And beat them. 1459 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:51,472 -That was the last car he raced. 1460 01:16:51,474 --> 01:16:53,874 So, paul ran up until he was 83. 1461 01:16:53,876 --> 01:16:57,878 -I think the fact that he made something of himself 1462 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,581 When the odds seemed to be against it 1463 01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:03,784 Is an outstanding feat. 1464 01:17:03,786 --> 01:17:10,224 -He was very specific on what he wanted to do in life, 1465 01:17:10,226 --> 01:17:13,461 And this was a big part of it. 1466 01:17:13,463 --> 01:17:16,631 -He excelled at acting, very good at racing, 1467 01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:17,999 And an all-around decent guy. 1468 01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:21,502 -I mean, it's that classic red-blooded american boy 1469 01:17:21,504 --> 01:17:23,771 Who tried hard and didn't, 1470 01:17:23,773 --> 01:17:26,574 You know, always try to have the spotlight on himself. 1471 01:17:26,576 --> 01:17:27,842 But then when he won, 1472 01:17:27,844 --> 01:17:31,045 It was "oh, he won this on his own." 1473 01:17:31,047 --> 01:17:32,980 -Whoo! 1474 01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:40,388 -He just had this magnificent quality, 1475 01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:42,723 You know, as a human being. 1476 01:17:42,725 --> 01:17:47,662 As a human being, he was a terrific, terrific man. 1477 01:17:47,664 --> 01:17:50,264 -Paul's legacy really is all the charities 1478 01:17:50,266 --> 01:17:51,565 And all the cancer kids 1479 01:17:51,567 --> 01:17:54,535 And the wonderful things that he supported. 1480 01:17:54,537 --> 01:17:57,672 You know, paul sprinkled his winnings and success 1481 01:17:57,674 --> 01:17:59,907 And profits from his food company 1482 01:17:59,909 --> 01:18:02,910 All around the world to help a lot of deserved people 1483 01:18:02,912 --> 01:18:04,779 That wouldn't have been helped otherwise. 1484 01:18:04,781 --> 01:18:08,082 I know that for him, you know, one of his happiest moments 1485 01:18:08,084 --> 01:18:10,951 Was when he'd go to the camp in connecticut, and he built 1486 01:18:10,953 --> 01:18:13,654 Himself a little cabin on the property, 1487 01:18:13,656 --> 01:18:14,922 And he could go and hide out. 1488 01:18:14,924 --> 01:18:16,857 And the kids had no clue who he was, 1489 01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:19,860 And that's all it was about for him. 1490 01:18:25,834 --> 01:18:29,737 -I knew he was sick, but for some reason, 1491 01:18:29,739 --> 01:18:34,241 I just never felt that anything could happen to paul. 1492 01:18:36,578 --> 01:18:39,113 -The last race that he came to, 1493 01:18:39,115 --> 01:18:45,786 He made an effort to, like, sit down and just have a chat. 1494 01:18:45,788 --> 01:18:48,456 He kept staring at me in the eyes, you know. 1495 01:18:48,458 --> 01:18:49,857 I'll never forget that. 1496 01:18:49,859 --> 01:18:52,126 You know, there was something like a premonition, 1497 01:18:52,128 --> 01:18:55,863 Like he thought, "this is gonna be our last conversation." 1498 01:18:55,865 --> 01:18:57,998 -He made a special trip up here. 1499 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,367 He was gonna drive a few last laps. 1500 01:19:00,369 --> 01:19:02,803 The track was closed that day. 1501 01:19:02,805 --> 01:19:04,939 But he was too weak for that. 1502 01:19:04,941 --> 01:19:07,408 He sat in the back seat of a station wagon 1503 01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:09,110 And was driven around. 1504 01:19:09,112 --> 01:19:12,513 He knew that was gonna be his last trip up here 1505 01:19:12,515 --> 01:19:13,948 And it meant a lot him 1506 01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:17,251 To come to this place where everything had started. 1507 01:19:19,287 --> 01:19:23,724 -He didn't want to have any visitors at the hospital. 1508 01:19:23,726 --> 01:19:26,627 In his last days, you know, 1509 01:19:26,629 --> 01:19:28,429 I'd have liked to have gone and seen him, 1510 01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:30,131 But he didn't want that. 1511 01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:33,534 I don't think he wanted anyone to show any pity. 1512 01:19:33,536 --> 01:19:36,971 I think he had certain disdain for that. 1513 01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:41,842 I certainly remember my moments, and they were always precious. 1514 01:19:44,246 --> 01:19:46,881 -I think about him often. 1515 01:19:46,883 --> 01:19:50,684 I spent 15 weekends a year with the man for 20 years, 1516 01:19:50,686 --> 01:19:53,487 So I knew him pretty well. 1517 01:19:53,489 --> 01:19:55,322 -He was a very special guy, 1518 01:19:55,324 --> 01:20:00,194 And I was very privileged to have known him 1519 01:20:00,196 --> 01:20:02,797 And been in his life a little bit, you know? 1520 01:20:02,799 --> 01:20:06,066 -Paul was a unique human being. 1521 01:20:06,068 --> 01:20:09,537 It was a thrill to call him a friend. 1522 01:20:09,539 --> 01:20:12,606 He was an unbelievably humble guy, 1523 01:20:12,608 --> 01:20:15,075 Who had a lot of great ability -- 1524 01:20:15,077 --> 01:20:18,312 More than he recognized in himself. 1525 01:20:20,348 --> 01:20:24,218 In a way, it's a shame he didn't start 20 years earlier, 1526 01:20:24,220 --> 01:20:28,255 -What, do you feel like he could have been one of the best? 1527 01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:31,559 -Absolutely, absolutely. 1528 01:20:31,561 --> 01:20:35,496 -What do you miss about paul newman? 1529 01:20:35,498 --> 01:20:38,399 -Everything about him. 1530 01:20:38,401 --> 01:20:41,268 Every minute. 1531 01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:45,773 -They just don't make them like him anymore. 1532 01:20:45,775 --> 01:20:49,009 They don't make them like that. 1533 01:20:49,011 --> 01:20:53,914 -I think the whole of paul newman is what I miss. 1534 01:20:53,916 --> 01:20:55,783 -He's one of those rare individuals 1535 01:20:55,785 --> 01:20:58,819 That can never be replaced 1536 01:20:58,821 --> 01:21:01,922 In any way, shape, or form. 1537 01:21:01,924 --> 01:21:05,826 Everything positive you could think of about a human being, 1538 01:21:05,828 --> 01:21:08,295 That represented paul newman. 1539 01:21:10,632 --> 01:21:13,734 -I consider myself luckier than paul 1540 01:21:13,736 --> 01:21:16,437 Because I had paul for a brother. 1541 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,073 He couldn't say that. 1541 01:21:20,305 --> 01:21:26,153 Please rate this subtitle at %url% Help other users to choose the best subtitles 133596

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