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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:45,753 - Reverend, you're on duty today. 2 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:49,465 Can you think- just think about the man 3 00:00:49,466 --> 00:00:53,135 whom you are going to encounter in an hour from now, 4 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:55,804 less than an hour from now. 5 00:00:55,805 --> 00:01:01,935 - I really am going there without any expectations. 6 00:01:01,936 --> 00:01:07,775 l'm going there to experience what God has prepared for me, 7 00:01:07,776 --> 00:01:10,277 for him, for all of those involved, 8 00:01:10,278 --> 00:01:14,448 and l don't preconceive anything. 9 00:01:14,449 --> 00:01:15,949 Not today. 10 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:19,411 l will let that happen as it occurs, 11 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:21,914 as time gets there. 12 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:25,167 We have a loving, caring, 13 00:01:25,168 --> 00:01:28,170 forgiving, merciful God, 14 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:33,008 and in time ofjoy and in time of need, 15 00:01:33,009 --> 00:01:35,803 in time of trial or tribulation, 16 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:37,930 God is always there for us. 17 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:40,933 l want to make that presence to them. 18 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:44,686 - And technically when he is led to the gurney, 19 00:01:44,687 --> 00:01:46,355 what is your duty then? 20 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:48,690 - After everything is completed, 21 00:01:48,691 --> 00:01:50,567 as far as the preparation, 22 00:01:50,568 --> 00:01:55,072 then l walk over, and l stand as he has allowed me to stand. 23 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:59,118 l always ask permission to be able to stand at his feet 24 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:00,786 and hold his ankle, 25 00:02:00,787 --> 00:02:03,288 and l move toward that position, 26 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:05,958 and l place my hand on his ankle, 27 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:10,129 and then that's what- what l do 28 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:12,131 until death occurs. 29 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:16,218 - And if there is no family interested 30 00:02:16,219 --> 00:02:17,845 in taking care of the body, 31 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:20,848 the condemned men would end up right behind you? 32 00:02:20,849 --> 00:02:24,143 - Yes, they end up here at the state cemetery, 33 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,145 and they're buried by the state. 34 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:31,275 No names on the crosses, only numbers. 35 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:42,119 - Why does God allow capital punishment? 36 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,957 - l don't know the answer. 37 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:51,753 I believe that there's always a purpose 38 00:02:51,754 --> 00:02:55,299 why God allows things to happen. 39 00:02:57,302 --> 00:03:00,971 God has created so many things in this world. 40 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:04,516 l play golf sometimes. 41 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:07,269 I love to be on the golf course, 42 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:12,441 because one thing I do, l put my phone on a silent mode. 43 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:16,862 I go out there sometimes by myself with no distractions, 44 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:19,031 and I can see the beautiful grass. 45 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:22,201 l can see the squirrels, from time to time, running. 46 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,203 Sometimes the deer are running. 47 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:26,997 Sometimes l look across the golf course, 48 00:03:26,998 --> 00:03:31,126 and l see a cow or a horse, and-and I-and I stop, 49 00:03:31,127 --> 00:03:35,672 and l acknowledge life. 50 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:37,507 Life, 51 00:03:37,508 --> 00:03:39,927 the things that God has created. 52 00:03:39,928 --> 00:03:43,513 - Please describe an encounter with a squirrel. 53 00:03:43,514 --> 00:03:44,973 - An encounter with a squirrel, 54 00:03:44,974 --> 00:03:47,559 l was driving the golf cart, and l was on the golf- 55 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,562 on the cart path, and l saw two squirrels. 56 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:53,232 They were chasing each other, and as l was getting closer, 57 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:55,025 they were running across the cart path, 58 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:56,568 and l put on my brakes, 59 00:03:56,569 --> 00:03:58,654 and they stopped in the middle of the cart path 60 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:02,032 and looked at me, and l said, "How about this? 61 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:03,408 "lf l wouldn't have stopped, 62 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:05,994 "l could have run over one of these squirrels. 63 00:04:05,995 --> 00:04:08,247 Their life would have ended." 64 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,249 [voice breaks] And that reminds me... 65 00:04:15,338 --> 00:04:19,925 of the many people that l have been with 66 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:23,887 in their last breath of life, 67 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:30,185 and due to bad choices and mistakes in their life, they- 68 00:04:30,186 --> 00:04:34,439 their life is taken away in that moment. 69 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:41,947 So life is precious, whether it's a squirrel 70 00:04:41,948 --> 00:04:44,783 or a human being. 71 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:50,580 So l will sometimes meditate on that experience. 72 00:04:50,581 --> 00:04:54,793 Make a little noise, and the squirrels will take off 73 00:04:54,794 --> 00:04:56,920 and continue their life, 74 00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:58,839 but l cannot do that. 75 00:05:02,343 --> 00:05:05,512 For someone on the gurney, 76 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:10,767 l cannot stop the process for them. 77 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:17,607 But l wish l could. 78 00:05:22,071 --> 00:05:24,239 [exhales] 79 00:07:40,585 --> 00:07:42,043 - Good, yeah. 80 00:07:42,044 --> 00:07:43,420 You are not wired yet, 81 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,672 so we have to wire you first. 82 00:08:13,576 --> 00:08:15,494 Michael Perry, now from all of us, 83 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:16,870 the whole team here, 84 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:19,664 we would like to offer our condolences. 85 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:23,793 Your father passed away. 86 00:08:23,794 --> 00:08:25,462 - Right, on the 10th. 87 00:08:25,463 --> 00:08:27,005 My dad died 13 days ago. 88 00:08:27,006 --> 00:08:28,381 - 13 days ago. 89 00:08:28,382 --> 00:08:29,758 - Yeah, on June 10th. 90 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,260 - But you will die or you are scheduled for execution... 91 00:08:32,261 --> 00:08:33,678 - Right. 92 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,680 - ln only eight days. - Yes, sir. 93 00:08:35,681 --> 00:08:37,474 - How are you doing? 94 00:08:37,475 --> 00:08:39,684 - You know-you know, l'm a Christian, so, you know, 95 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:41,478 l believe that, you know, paradise awaits 96 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:43,855 one way or the other, so l tell people all the time, 97 00:08:43,856 --> 00:08:46,650 l'm either going home or home, so... 98 00:08:46,651 --> 00:08:49,152 l'm either going home to the world or home to God, 99 00:08:49,153 --> 00:08:52,030 so l-you know, as the days get closer, 100 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:54,658 l can feel the pressure on my shoulders. 101 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:57,160 They call it clinical depression where l just start having 102 00:08:57,161 --> 00:09:00,747 less motivation to do things, less energy. 103 00:09:00,748 --> 00:09:02,666 You get frustrated at the- at the system. 104 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:08,046 How can they not see, you know, my situation is wrong? 105 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:09,756 You know, l-l used to write all the time 106 00:09:09,757 --> 00:09:11,258 and have a lot of energy, 107 00:09:11,259 --> 00:09:12,717 and I just don't have it anymore. 108 00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:14,928 l just feel like l've been beaten down. 109 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:18,557 - I have the feeling that destiny, in a way, 110 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:22,227 has dealt you a very bad deck of cards. 111 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:24,354 lt does not exonerate you, 112 00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:26,815 and-and when l talk to you, 113 00:09:26,816 --> 00:09:30,569 it does not necessarily mean that l have to like you, 114 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:33,071 but l respect you, and you are a human being, 115 00:09:33,072 --> 00:09:35,490 and l think human beings should not be executed. 116 00:09:35,491 --> 00:09:36,950 - Mm-hmm. - As simply as that. 117 00:09:36,951 --> 00:09:38,243 - Right. 118 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:44,082 [eerie instrumental music] 119 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:52,090 ♪ ♪ 120 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:06,891 - Lieutenant, this looks idyllic and safe. 121 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:08,351 - Well, and you would think that. 122 00:12:08,352 --> 00:12:10,186 This is a gated community, obviously. 123 00:12:10,187 --> 00:12:13,857 The houses that are out here are very large houses, 124 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:15,233 very expensive houses, 125 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:16,693 and you would think that this is- 126 00:12:16,694 --> 00:12:18,069 this is a very quiet area, 127 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:23,491 and you would, l guess, associate that with security. 128 00:12:23,492 --> 00:12:25,660 But this house right here is actually the house 129 00:12:25,661 --> 00:12:28,413 where Sandra Stotler was murdered. 130 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:32,041 This is where Michael Perry and Jason Burkett 131 00:12:32,042 --> 00:12:33,418 parked out on the street 132 00:12:33,419 --> 00:12:36,379 and went in and- and murdered her. 133 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:37,797 At the time that we found her, 134 00:12:37,798 --> 00:12:39,257 she was actually baking cookies, 135 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:40,717 and there was evidence of that. 136 00:12:40,718 --> 00:12:42,218 There was-there was cookies out. 137 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:44,637 There was cookie dough out. 138 00:12:44,638 --> 00:12:48,349 So she was in the process of that when she was killed. 139 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:52,729 - But apparently the first plan was not murder. 140 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:55,690 - Well, and that was something that we were told, 141 00:12:55,691 --> 00:12:58,359 that initially the- the boys were all- 142 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,029 when l say "boys," Michael Perry, Jason Burkett, 143 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,697 Adam Stotler, and Jeremy Richardson- 144 00:13:02,698 --> 00:13:04,115 they were acquaintances 145 00:13:04,116 --> 00:13:06,117 through, you know, some mutual friends. 146 00:13:06,118 --> 00:13:08,077 They weren't really friends themselves, 147 00:13:08,078 --> 00:13:09,662 but they-they were acquaintances, 148 00:13:09,663 --> 00:13:14,292 and what we were told was- is that they came here 149 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:17,629 with the intention of trying to get Adam Stotler 150 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:19,088 to allow them to stay the night 151 00:13:19,089 --> 00:13:21,132 by telling them they didn't have a place to stay, 152 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:23,885 and they were going to try to get the keys to the car 153 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:25,303 and steal it. 154 00:13:25,304 --> 00:13:26,721 That's what they were after, 155 00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:30,099 was the red Camaro that was in the garage. 156 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,435 Upon going to the door and talking to the mother, 157 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:34,729 and she said that they were out, the boys were out, 158 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:36,105 and so they left, 159 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:37,649 and that's when their plan changed, 160 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,860 that they were just going to kill her and take the car. 161 00:13:40,861 --> 00:13:43,196 So they went back up to the door, 162 00:13:43,197 --> 00:13:45,031 and the garage was open, 163 00:13:45,032 --> 00:13:47,700 and the door going into the house was open. 164 00:13:47,701 --> 00:13:50,119 Michael Perry, by his own admission, 165 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,455 entered that garage door and went into the laundry room 166 00:13:52,456 --> 00:13:55,124 at the time that Jason Burkett knocked on the front door. 167 00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:56,543 And as their truck was out here, 168 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:58,336 he told them that the truck wouldn't start 169 00:13:58,337 --> 00:14:01,631 and they needed to call someone to come and assist them. 170 00:14:01,632 --> 00:14:03,716 So she let him in the house to use the telephone, 171 00:14:03,717 --> 00:14:05,093 and while he was doing that, 172 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:07,053 Michael Perry stepped out of the laundry room 173 00:14:07,054 --> 00:14:09,472 and knocked on the back garage door, 174 00:14:09,473 --> 00:14:11,558 which made her come and answer it, 175 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,977 and he stepped out from the laundry room from behind her, 176 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:15,895 and that's when he shot her. 177 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:21,192 The actual garage door itself was open 178 00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:23,820 when our deputies arrived on the scene. 179 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:28,551 The master bedroom, 180 00:15:28,552 --> 00:15:30,219 which is in the back part of the house 181 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:32,055 behind the garage over here, 182 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:34,557 they went in, and they took the top bedding, 183 00:15:34,558 --> 00:15:37,226 the blanket and the- the top sheet, 184 00:15:37,227 --> 00:15:39,562 and that's what they wrapped her in. 185 00:15:39,563 --> 00:15:41,397 They brought her out, put her in the truck, 186 00:15:41,398 --> 00:15:43,733 and they drove her out to Crater Lake 187 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:45,568 to dispose of her body. 188 00:15:47,988 --> 00:15:49,364 - And how does it happen? 189 00:15:49,365 --> 00:15:50,949 Was it drugs? 190 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,742 - You know, l don't know that there was ever 191 00:15:52,743 --> 00:15:54,911 any direct evidence as far as, you know, 192 00:15:54,912 --> 00:15:56,913 drugs relating particularly to this case. 193 00:15:56,914 --> 00:16:00,583 l mean, honestly, it was just- you know, they had a car. 194 00:16:00,584 --> 00:16:02,835 You know, this lady owned a car that they wanted, 195 00:16:02,836 --> 00:16:05,296 so, you know, it was- 196 00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:08,341 unfortunately, you know, people died for a theft. 197 00:16:29,196 --> 00:16:30,571 other than it being dark, 198 00:16:30,572 --> 00:16:33,950 this is pretty much the way it was 199 00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:35,743 that night when we came out here. 200 00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:51,134 You'll see all kinds of debris and trash here, as l said. 201 00:16:51,135 --> 00:16:56,264 This is-was pretty commonly used for a dumping ground. 202 00:16:56,265 --> 00:16:59,225 They've pulled lots of vehicles out of-out of Crater Lake. 203 00:16:59,226 --> 00:17:01,728 We've had, actually, a few other bodies 204 00:17:01,729 --> 00:17:05,148 that we've-that we've gotten out of Crater Lake. 205 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:07,316 This is Crater Lake here. 206 00:17:07,317 --> 00:17:08,818 This little area right here, 207 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:13,489 this is where the tire treads in the dirt was actually here. 208 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,326 At the time that they first came down here, 209 00:17:17,327 --> 00:17:19,287 they actually backed up to that 210 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:20,913 and tried to slam on their brakes, 211 00:17:20,914 --> 00:17:22,749 hoping to eject the body in the water, 212 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:24,500 and that didn't work, so, again, 213 00:17:24,501 --> 00:17:26,377 that was just something that- that we heard. 214 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:28,838 l don't know that that's actually what happened, 215 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:30,840 but you could tell from- 216 00:17:30,841 --> 00:17:33,676 there wasn't any distinct tire wear in the ground. 217 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:35,511 You could just tell that a tire- 218 00:17:35,512 --> 00:17:38,347 tires had been spinning there, so... 219 00:17:38,348 --> 00:17:39,849 So it seemed to fit the story, 220 00:17:39,850 --> 00:17:41,768 but they ended up getting the body 221 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:44,145 and-and carrying it out here, 222 00:17:44,146 --> 00:17:46,439 and it was just dropped in the water. 223 00:18:54,967 --> 00:18:57,301 We didn't know when we processed the scene here 224 00:18:57,302 --> 00:19:00,388 and when we processed Sandra Stotler's residence, 225 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:01,764 we still did not know 226 00:19:01,765 --> 00:19:03,766 that we had any other victims other than her. 227 00:19:08,772 --> 00:19:12,066 This is the gated community of Highland Ranch. 228 00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:14,277 lnside those gates is the house 229 00:19:14,278 --> 00:19:18,072 where Sandra Stotler was murdered. 230 00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:20,825 When Michael Perry and Jason Burkett came back here 231 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:22,952 to get the Camaro that they were after, 232 00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:24,787 these gates were- were shut and locked, 233 00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:26,497 so they didn't have access to it, 234 00:19:26,498 --> 00:19:28,916 so they waited around and parked 235 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:33,379 until Adam Stotler and Jeremy Richardson returned home, 236 00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:36,924 and that's when they got them to come out in the woods with them 237 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:39,594 and-and murdered them so that they could get 238 00:19:39,595 --> 00:19:42,054 basically the clicker to come back and get access in- 239 00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:43,431 you know, into this gate 240 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,016 so that they could go back to the house 241 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,434 and take the Camaro. 242 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:49,103 - So only because they didn't have the code here 243 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,606 and it was closed at night, 244 00:19:51,607 --> 00:19:54,650 two more young people had to die. 245 00:19:54,651 --> 00:19:56,319 - Yes, sir. That's correct. 246 00:20:01,158 --> 00:20:04,994 - Lieutenant, Jason Burkett and Michael Perry 247 00:20:04,995 --> 00:20:07,663 bragged about what they had done. 248 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:10,958 How clear evidence was that? 249 00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:12,877 - Well, because it came from multiple people. 250 00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:14,253 lt wasn'tjust one. 251 00:20:14,254 --> 00:20:15,755 We got reports from several people 252 00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:17,131 from the different hangouts 253 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:19,091 that they had said that they had killed people. 254 00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:20,843 That's how they got the vehicles. 255 00:21:11,186 --> 00:21:12,728 lt was pretty convincing. 256 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,397 l mean, we believed it. 257 00:21:14,398 --> 00:21:17,191 Although, again, we- we didn't have evidence 258 00:21:17,192 --> 00:21:19,360 that we had other bodies at the time. 259 00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:22,697 - only after Perry confessed, 260 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:26,450 he pointed you to the location of the two young boys. 261 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:29,120 - Yes, sir. 262 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:13,205 - As soon as l found out my mother- 263 00:22:13,206 --> 00:22:14,582 her body had been found, 264 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,917 that whole week is just a blur. 265 00:22:16,918 --> 00:22:18,294 l was watching the news. 266 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:19,837 lt was Monday morning, 267 00:22:19,838 --> 00:22:23,007 and I saw helicopters flying over Ronny's truck stop here. 268 00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:27,595 Well, we live a mile, and l had a glimmer of hope. 269 00:22:27,596 --> 00:22:31,098 l said, "Adam got away. He's found his way home." 270 00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:33,934 Because that's the exit you'd get off to come to my house. 271 00:22:33,935 --> 00:22:35,436 So l told my husband. 272 00:22:35,437 --> 00:22:37,480 I said, "Get in the car. We're going down there." 273 00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:39,023 'Cause they showed the crime scene, 274 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:40,775 the helicopters. 275 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:42,943 My brother's car was there on the news. 276 00:22:42,944 --> 00:22:44,612 So we went up to Ronny's truck stop, 277 00:22:44,613 --> 00:22:47,365 and l saw all that stuff on the car, 278 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,116 and I'm like, "oh, that's not Adam's car. 279 00:22:49,117 --> 00:22:50,910 He doesn't have all that stuff on there." 280 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,620 - "Stuff" meaning? 281 00:22:52,621 --> 00:22:55,164 - The stickers and the- - "Gauge," "A.B."? 282 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:56,582 - Yeah, l saw all that stuff. 283 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,250 I was like, "oh, that's not his car." 284 00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:07,343 You know, and then l looked at the license plate. 285 00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:09,595 The car was riddled with bullets, 286 00:23:09,596 --> 00:23:14,517 and they had just chased them down 287 00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:17,144 and caught them at the apartment complex, 288 00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:20,606 and I was kind of trailing behind them, 289 00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:22,525 and they left to go to the hospital, 290 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,985 and they told me- l was like, "Please tell me," 291 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,863 because Adam had been missing now since Wednesday, 292 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,323 and it was now Monday, and I said, 293 00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:31,325 "Please tell me, was Adam with them?" 294 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:32,827 And they said, "Adam got shot, 295 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:35,246 and they took him to the hospital." 296 00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:39,208 Now, Michael Perry is still saying he's Adam. 297 00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:41,544 He got out ofjail. He bonded out ofjail. 298 00:23:53,181 --> 00:23:55,850 - Perry just had his lD. 299 00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:57,685 You believed... - l believed he was alive. 300 00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,353 - Your brother was safe, only wounded, 301 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:02,189 because you were told Adam was safe... 302 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:03,566 - Was shot. 303 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,151 - And shot but in hospital. 304 00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:07,528 - And l-you know, l was like...[sighs] 305 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:10,322 Thank God. 306 00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,824 So l started calling the hospitals 307 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:14,034 trying to figure out which hospital he was at, 308 00:24:14,035 --> 00:24:16,620 and l described him, and she's like- 309 00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:18,414 l finally got a nurse who would talk to me, 310 00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:21,417 and she's like, "That's not the kid that's here, ma'am." 311 00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:26,797 - But you had hopes, l mean, substantial hopes 312 00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:29,675 that your brother Adam was wounded but safe. 313 00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:31,051 - Yes. - Alive. 314 00:24:31,052 --> 00:24:32,428 - Yeah. 315 00:24:32,429 --> 00:24:34,430 - And all of a sudden... 316 00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:37,099 - My world was ripped out from underneath me. 317 00:24:39,561 --> 00:24:41,562 Everyone was gone. 318 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:48,068 l called Lieutenant Davidson, 319 00:24:48,069 --> 00:24:51,739 and he told me to come down to the police station, 320 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:53,282 and l told him, 321 00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:55,409 "l'm watching you on TV right now. 322 00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:57,912 Just tell me if that's Adam." 323 00:24:57,913 --> 00:24:59,580 And he said, "l really would like you 324 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:01,916 to come down to the station." 325 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:03,876 And l said, "Just tell me." 326 00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:06,045 And he said, "Yeah, it's Adam." 327 00:25:06,046 --> 00:25:07,713 He said, "lt's Adam," 328 00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,466 and my knees gave out, 329 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:13,469 and l never knew that your knees really went weak, you know, 330 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,554 but that saying is true, "Weak in the knees." 331 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:17,556 My knees went weak, and l fell to the floor. 332 00:25:27,651 --> 00:25:29,735 - This is Lindsey Lane. 333 00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,238 This is where we were directed on this road 334 00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:34,865 by Michael Perry in his confession 335 00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,992 that we would find two additional bodies 336 00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:39,161 ofAdam Stotler and Jeremy Richardson. 337 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:45,543 We came down this road, and then we split up. 338 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:46,919 We went to the end of the road, 339 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,004 and we actually walked back this way 340 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:52,591 and discovered Adam's body. 341 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:01,934 They lured them into this area 342 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,228 by telling them that there was a mutual friend of theirs 343 00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:06,564 that had gotten hurt while they were hunting. 344 00:26:10,443 --> 00:26:13,529 This house obviously was not here at the time. 345 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:14,989 You can see, as this is coming out, 346 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,365 how it's coming around, 347 00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:18,867 so it's gonna be somewhere about- 348 00:26:18,868 --> 00:26:20,703 somewhere in that concrete is gonna be 349 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:22,705 about where his body was discovered. 350 00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:34,550 once we actually processed the scene 351 00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,552 and we moved the body, once we moved the body, 352 00:26:36,553 --> 00:26:39,138 there was a cigarette butt under it, which we collected, 353 00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:42,558 and there was also another cigarette butt close by, 354 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,143 but the one that was under his body, 355 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:46,478 once we submitted it to the state lab for DNA, 356 00:26:46,479 --> 00:26:48,981 it had Michael Perry's DNA on it. 357 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,066 - Which means the body had fallen- 358 00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:52,443 - Had fallen on the cigarette 359 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:54,486 after it was already discarded on the ground. 360 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,949 The other body was Jeremy Richardson. 361 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,285 From where we actually found his body, 362 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:04,038 it was so dense with trees, we couldn't even get into it. 363 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,998 l don't know how he got into it. 364 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,542 We couldn't hardly even get into it without taking machetes 365 00:27:08,543 --> 00:27:10,544 and-and cutting back some of the brush. 366 00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:15,758 Jeremy, he ran for some distance 367 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,176 while he was being shot at. 368 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:18,552 l don't know if it was 'cause 369 00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:20,888 he heard the gunshots here and got startled, 370 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:22,556 or if Jason pointed the shotgun at him, 371 00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:24,558 and he realized it before he was actually shot, 372 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,226 and he took off running. 373 00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:39,615 - Charles, you lost your brother, Jeremy. 374 00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:42,743 Do you remember the moment when you heard about it? 375 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:46,872 - l was in Georgia, 376 00:27:46,873 --> 00:27:49,625 and l got a phone call from my aunt 377 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,044 saying for me to call home. 378 00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:53,754 Something bad had happened. 379 00:27:55,548 --> 00:27:56,924 l tried to call. 380 00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:59,259 l didn't have no money at the time, 381 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:01,428 and my phone wouldn't let me call long distance, 382 00:28:01,429 --> 00:28:05,641 so l tried to call collect, and my grandpa hung up on me. 383 00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:07,267 He didn't want to- 384 00:28:07,268 --> 00:28:09,603 he didn't even want to pay $2 to talk to me 385 00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:12,272 to tell me my brother was dead. 386 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:17,236 l had to actually get my aunt to call 387 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:18,904 and find out what was going on, 388 00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:23,951 and then she called me back, and my first thought was- 389 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:26,412 just because on the phone she says, 390 00:28:26,413 --> 00:28:27,913 "Do you know Jason Burkett?" 391 00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:29,373 l said, "Yeah." 392 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,125 She said, "Well, something's happened, 393 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:34,336 and your brother's dead," and, uh... 394 00:28:48,351 --> 00:28:50,602 My-my first thought was, you know, 395 00:28:50,603 --> 00:28:54,106 Jason was just driving, being stupid 396 00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:57,943 the way he normally was and had wrecked, 397 00:28:57,944 --> 00:28:59,319 and then she told me no, 398 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,406 that Jason shot my brother over a car. 399 00:29:03,616 --> 00:29:05,659 l-l just fell out. 400 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,661 l fell out. 401 00:29:09,956 --> 00:29:13,751 My uncle came and picked me up, and, uh... 402 00:29:14,794 --> 00:29:17,296 We just went driving around. 403 00:29:17,297 --> 00:29:19,214 - And your father? 404 00:29:19,215 --> 00:29:20,591 Where was he? 405 00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:22,259 - He was in prison. 406 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,094 - How serious? 407 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,306 - Well, it was the first time 408 00:29:27,307 --> 00:29:30,976 he was in jail for murder, in prison for murder. 409 00:29:30,977 --> 00:29:33,312 - Life sentence? 410 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,814 - Well, no. 411 00:29:35,815 --> 00:29:39,485 He-he was doing his 15-year sentence first, 412 00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:41,153 and then he was out for about a year, 413 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:44,531 and then he went and got a life sentence, 414 00:29:44,532 --> 00:29:46,784 and he's just getting out after that. 415 00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:50,913 - And you flew in for the funeral? 416 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,539 - Yeah, l flew in for the funeral. 417 00:29:55,001 --> 00:30:00,005 The cops said l had jumped bond, and the cops were there to- 418 00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:05,719 to take me to jail over my brother's- 419 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:10,098 Can I tell 'em what it was for or... 420 00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:12,100 l mean, would it be okay to tell 'em, 421 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:14,520 you know, it was a drug possession? 422 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,022 - So you took the jail time for your brother, 423 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:18,398 and you were arrested? 424 00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:20,067 - Yeah, at the funeral. 425 00:30:20,068 --> 00:30:21,485 The cops came in there. 426 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:25,656 There was six cops came in and identified me 427 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:30,160 and told me they were gonna take me to jail right then. 428 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:32,037 l asked them, you know, could I at least stay 429 00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:34,039 for my brother's funeral. 430 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,542 - And the teardrops, the tattoos, 431 00:30:36,543 --> 00:30:38,502 what do they signify? 432 00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:42,756 - l lost my- my brother and my sister. 433 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,132 - Brother murdered. 434 00:30:44,133 --> 00:30:46,593 Your sister, what happened to her? 435 00:30:46,594 --> 00:30:48,178 - She was coming to my house, 436 00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:51,849 and she crossed the freeway, 437 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:54,184 and she got ran over by a car. 438 00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,482 - Tell me about your brother Jeremy. 439 00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:02,317 Can you show us? 440 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,787 - Jeremy was-he was- 441 00:31:13,788 --> 00:31:15,706 he was just the golden child. 442 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:22,713 He was a good kid, trusted his friends. 443 00:31:28,094 --> 00:31:33,765 He would get in trouble just- just to- 444 00:31:33,766 --> 00:31:35,726 to have that attention, 445 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,519 but he wouldn't do nothing serious. 446 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,688 He would-he would never do anything too serious. 447 00:31:39,689 --> 00:31:43,859 He got in trouble for making people laugh, you know, 448 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:46,278 talking during class, you know, stuff like that. 449 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:47,779 He was a very sociable person. 450 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:50,365 Everybody loved him, and, uh... 451 00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:54,369 Everybody said that I was the one 452 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:59,249 that was supposed to be dead before l was 21 and not Jeremy. 453 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,626 - And you loved him. 454 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:02,628 - of course. 455 00:32:05,715 --> 00:32:08,467 He was my- he was my best friend. 456 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,512 He was my best friend growing up. 457 00:32:12,513 --> 00:32:14,181 He's all l had. 458 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:18,977 - You took care of him. 459 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,607 - l tried. 460 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:30,405 Turns out the only thing l did was hurt him. 461 00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:33,200 l introduced him to the people that killed him. 462 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:44,086 He'd tell me all the time, 463 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:46,755 it was me and him against the world. 464 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,094 I tell my wife the same thing now. 465 00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:57,099 lt's just me and him against the world. 466 00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:09,361 - l believe from the time that we got the initial call 467 00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:11,405 until they were caught, it was within a week. 468 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:14,199 lt was, l believe, five to seven days. 469 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,661 - And you arrived at the scene where they were apprehended? 470 00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:19,121 - Yes, sir. 471 00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:21,540 - Can you describe? 472 00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:22,916 Was it mayhem? 473 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:24,418 - Yes, sir, it was. 474 00:33:24,419 --> 00:33:26,086 There was a truck stop- 475 00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:28,046 actually, the truck stop's not there anymore, 476 00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:30,215 but it was at the-kind of the side parking lot 477 00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:31,591 of a truck stop, 478 00:33:31,592 --> 00:33:33,427 and there was an abandoned warehouse, 479 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:35,762 and then on the other side of that, an apartment complex, 480 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:39,266 so the entire scene spanned from that parking lot 481 00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:41,768 all the way well into the apartment complex. 482 00:33:44,856 --> 00:33:46,523 There was shotgun shells. 483 00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:49,026 There was cartridge casings where they had exchanged fire 484 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,819 with the officers that were there. 485 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:52,195 There was wrecked vehicles, 486 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:54,698 and, I mean, there was just people everywhere. 487 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:59,661 - And the police officer was run over? 488 00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:01,163 - Yes, sir, his leg. 489 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:05,876 There was a vehicle wrecked out, 490 00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:08,211 and all the glass in the vehicle 491 00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:10,881 had shattered from the gunshots. 492 00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:14,468 Burkett and Perry both sustained gunshot wounds. 493 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:17,804 l believe Jason Burkett was shot three times, 494 00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:19,306 if l'm not mistaken, 495 00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:21,391 and l'm not really certain about Michael Perry, 496 00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:24,019 but they-they both had wounds from gunshots 497 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:27,105 and obviously glass cuts and scrapes. 498 00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:57,928 - So there was a wild, hot pursuit, 499 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:00,555 and you were in this wild chase. 500 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:02,516 Did you actually open fire at them or... 501 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:03,892 - What had happened- 502 00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:05,852 - l don't want to be too indiscreet, but l think- 503 00:35:05,853 --> 00:35:07,229 - Well, l can tell you. 504 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,605 l can tell you. l pled guilty. 505 00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:10,941 l've got 10 years done on a 15-year sentence for it, so... 506 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,859 - I see, yeah. - We were asleep. 507 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:14,778 We had been drinking the night before. 508 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:16,154 We were sleeping in the car 509 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:17,823 because we couldn't get to the motel, 510 00:35:17,824 --> 00:35:19,825 which was on the other side of a fence. 511 00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:24,329 l don't remember this other guy that was in the car with us. 512 00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:25,705 I don't know how he got with us. 513 00:35:25,706 --> 00:35:27,082 l don't know his name. 514 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,792 l don't know anything about him. 515 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,377 Michael Perry and me were drinking, 516 00:35:30,378 --> 00:35:33,880 and somehow this guy got with us that night. 517 00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:38,343 l remember getting woke up and getting shot in the car. 518 00:35:38,344 --> 00:35:39,719 l looked around. 519 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,179 Michael Perry wasn't next to me. 520 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:42,597 lt was some other kid next to me, 521 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,057 but Perry was in the backseat, 522 00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:46,893 and Perry tried to get out of the car in the back, 523 00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:48,270 and then he shut the door. 524 00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:51,356 l started the truck, and I went to flee, 525 00:35:51,357 --> 00:35:53,400 and everybody says, "You shouldn't have ran. 526 00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:54,776 You shouldn't have ran." 527 00:35:54,777 --> 00:35:56,444 l had just been shot, 528 00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:58,947 and the only way for me to not to get shot again 529 00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:00,615 was to get out of there, 530 00:36:00,616 --> 00:36:02,784 and l wasn't thinking clearly. 531 00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:04,202 l didn't know about a murder. 532 00:36:04,203 --> 00:36:06,037 l didn't know about what they were looking- 533 00:36:06,038 --> 00:36:07,414 l didn't know the extent. 534 00:36:07,415 --> 00:36:09,040 I didn't even know they knew who l was. 535 00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:11,918 And when l drove off, 536 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,461 the officer was right in front of me. 537 00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:14,880 l drove to the right, 538 00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:18,425 and he shot me through the door right here in my arm. 539 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,094 - How badly were you wounded? 540 00:36:21,095 --> 00:36:22,470 - l was shot right here. 541 00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:23,972 - Can you show it higher for me? 542 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:26,516 - l was shot right here in my wrist. 543 00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:29,352 I was shot right here in my hand, my finger. 544 00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:31,646 l was shot right here. 545 00:36:31,647 --> 00:36:33,481 l was shot right here, 546 00:36:33,482 --> 00:36:36,818 and l was shot right here. 547 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:41,156 Right here, I had a piece of the car door in my side. 548 00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:44,492 - Still lodged in your side? 549 00:36:44,493 --> 00:36:46,995 So how do you get through a metal detector? 550 00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:49,539 - Well, it came out afterwards. It came out. 551 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,333 lt did finally come out in the jail. 552 00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:55,128 Right here in my collarbone, I had a piece of glass 553 00:36:55,129 --> 00:36:57,756 from the car door, went inside. 554 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:04,554 I crashed into a building because l couldn't steer. 555 00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:06,223 My blood's all in the truck. 556 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,558 They said, "Well, your DNA's on the gun." 557 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,185 My DNA's on everything in there. 558 00:37:10,186 --> 00:37:13,021 l was shot. My DNA was on Michael Perry. 559 00:37:13,022 --> 00:37:15,523 My DNA was on every seat in there from being shot. 560 00:37:15,524 --> 00:37:17,651 Blood went everywhere. 561 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,700 Whenever l crashed, l jumped out and ran. 562 00:37:25,701 --> 00:37:27,077 l ran. 563 00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,120 l ran in the building. 564 00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:31,039 There was cops shooting at the building 565 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,540 where we were crashed into. 566 00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,502 They were shooting from every direction. 567 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:39,673 The window in the back of the building's like this. 568 00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:41,299 You can't get through it. 569 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,386 l shot one time with the gun through the window. 570 00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:45,971 l probably shouldn't have done that, 571 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:47,764 but l was trapped, and l was panicking. 572 00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:49,307 l didn't know what to do. 573 00:37:49,308 --> 00:37:51,810 And when we got through there, we ran to some apartments, 574 00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:56,022 and, you know, l-l carried Perry half the way, 575 00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:59,192 but, I mean, we got to the apartment. 576 00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:02,612 - You-you dealt with it like real tough men. 577 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,531 l remember reading somewhere 578 00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:07,534 that Michael Perry shouted, "This is it. 579 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:10,036 Put the balls at the walls," or something. 580 00:38:10,037 --> 00:38:12,706 "Let's bolt. Let's fight back." 581 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,041 Can you remember something like that? 582 00:38:15,042 --> 00:38:17,711 - l remember reading that they said, "Balls to the walls," 583 00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:19,337 or, you know, something. 584 00:38:19,338 --> 00:38:20,714 l don't recall him saying it. 585 00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:22,090 He could have said it. 586 00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:24,301 - Too much commotion. Too many bullets flying. 587 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,511 - l didn't really understand what was happening. 588 00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:28,847 All l knew is, where we were at, we could not stay there. 589 00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:30,265 - Yeah. 590 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:33,393 - And-and he was screaming, "Balls to the walls," they say. 591 00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:36,563 - Well, um, how can l say? 592 00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:39,774 l-l don't want to go into the details of- 593 00:38:39,775 --> 00:38:41,192 of what happened, 594 00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:45,989 but fact is that three people were killed. 595 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:47,407 - Mm-hmm. 596 00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:52,912 - And you deny that you were even close to the scene or- 597 00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,289 how-how do you- 598 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:55,874 - Well, there's no longer a question. 599 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:57,792 There's no longer a question of my innocence. 600 00:38:57,793 --> 00:38:59,252 That's-question is out the door. 601 00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:01,838 The question is, what is anyone gonna do about it now? 602 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:05,592 l mean, a perfect example is, you're here with these guys. 603 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,427 They show up at your hotel room in a car. 604 00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:09,554 You're gonna assume that that car is- 605 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:11,056 you know, these are your friends, 606 00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:13,016 so when Jason shows up to pick me up in a car, 607 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:14,434 l'm gonna assume it's okay. 608 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:15,935 You get in it, and you get arrested, 609 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:18,521 and you come to find out he just murdered someone from that car, 610 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:20,190 you're gonna end up on Texas death row. 611 00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:21,566 You're gonna end up right here 612 00:39:21,567 --> 00:39:23,151 because you trusted one of these guys 613 00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:24,903 to show up and pick you up in a-in a real car 614 00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:26,863 that wasn'tjust stolen. 615 00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:29,657 - But trusting in Jason was a bad choice. 616 00:39:29,658 --> 00:39:31,910 - oh, absolutely. - l mean, let's face it. 617 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:34,746 He was some sort of a bad apple, and so-so were you. 618 00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:37,374 - l was homeless and starving, so it was- 619 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:40,794 - And using drugs and stealing. 620 00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:43,296 - He offered me drugs. He offered me a place to stay. 621 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,590 He offered me food, so l chose- 622 00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:47,217 l chose that, which l shouldn't have. 623 00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:49,260 I regret it every- every minute now. 624 00:39:49,261 --> 00:39:51,721 Cherish every minute, huh? 625 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,098 Cherish every minute. 626 00:39:53,099 --> 00:39:55,892 Make the most of it because, you know, 627 00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:57,685 they can-they can- they can do you like me. 628 00:39:57,686 --> 00:39:59,521 Be in the wrong situation at the wrong time, 629 00:39:59,522 --> 00:40:01,231 and there's no telling where you end up. 630 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,608 You might want to get out of Texas as soon as possible, huh? 631 00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:05,402 They might arrest you any-any second, huh? 632 00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:47,360 - l went over to my buddy's house. 633 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:50,155 There was a guy there, and he wanted to fight me, 634 00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:55,618 and he run up on me as l got out of the truck, 635 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,871 and-and I just kind of blew him off. 636 00:40:57,872 --> 00:40:59,247 You know what l mean? 637 00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:01,374 "Just go on, man, go on about your business." 638 00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:04,002 And everybody said he was saying he was gonna stab me 639 00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:05,837 when l got out of the truck. 640 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,338 You know, it kind of pissed me off, 641 00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:10,008 so l-l went back, found the dude, 642 00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:13,511 and run up on him, and l was taking off my shirt, 643 00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:16,347 and I threw my-threw my shirt up like that, you know, 644 00:41:16,348 --> 00:41:18,183 and threw it up over my elbow. 645 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:20,685 l was gonna take it off, and when l did that, 646 00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:23,354 he hit me right here with a screwdriver, you know, 647 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:26,024 a screwdriver about that long, and it was a Phillips, 648 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:28,193 you know, them little skinny, long screwdrivers. 649 00:41:28,194 --> 00:41:32,197 lt sunk in to the handle, and after that, uh... 650 00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:34,782 - All the way to the handle? - All the way to the handle. 651 00:41:34,783 --> 00:41:36,284 - How did it happen? 652 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:40,455 - Man, it's probably, probably about right in there. 653 00:41:40,456 --> 00:41:43,458 lt went straight- straight through under my arm, 654 00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:44,834 into my chest, 655 00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:47,253 and l never went to the hospital or anything. 656 00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:49,672 - And what did you feel? You felt the- 657 00:41:49,673 --> 00:41:52,175 - Yeah, just a- l felt the-the- 658 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:54,469 you know, the pressure of it when it hit. 659 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:55,845 That's all l felt, 660 00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:57,555 and l kind ofjumped back out the way, 661 00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:01,518 and-and l looked, and my buddy threw me a knife, 662 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,394 and l looked down at the knife on the ground, 663 00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,771 and l was like, you know, 664 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:06,773 l'm thinking to myself in my head, you know, 665 00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:09,108 "I'm going home to my kids today." 666 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:10,944 You know, so l didn't even pick it up, 667 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:14,364 and then my other buddy come out running by the yard, 668 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:18,201 and l had to be at work in 30 minutes. 669 00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:20,578 Matter of fact, l roof- 670 00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:24,582 l was roofing a house with Jason's brother. 671 00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:27,085 What is it, Chris Burkett? 672 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:28,586 And l was roofing a house with him. 673 00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:30,255 - Chris was not in jail at that time. 674 00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,048 - Nah. 675 00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:33,633 - And you went to hospital? 676 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:35,260 - Nah. 677 00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:36,719 They was asking me 678 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,596 if I needed to go to the hospital or anything, 679 00:42:38,597 --> 00:42:39,973 but itjust- some, like, puss 680 00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,516 and a little bit of blood come out, 681 00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:44,352 and, you know, l thought l was good. 682 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,479 Evidently, l guess l am. 683 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,273 So l was lucky there. 684 00:42:54,363 --> 00:42:58,199 - But you have never been in- in real trouble with the law? 685 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,576 - l had a felony. 686 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,953 That's the only bad- bad one I had. 687 00:43:01,954 --> 00:43:03,329 - But you're a working man. 688 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:04,706 - Yes, sir. - You have a job? 689 00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:06,583 - Yeah, l ain't been in trouble in four years. 690 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,626 - Can l see your hands? - Yeah. 691 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:12,380 - When we shook hands, I noticed your calluses. 692 00:43:12,381 --> 00:43:14,382 You are working... - Yeah. 693 00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:16,384 - ln a paint shop? - Yep. 694 00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:18,052 - Cars. - Yes, sir. 695 00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:20,054 - Solid work. - Yes, sir. 696 00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:21,639 - And the tattoo in here? 697 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,392 Can l see this? Can you show it? 698 00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:27,395 - Bailey. 699 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:29,522 - You had been with her when you met Burkett? 700 00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:30,982 - Nah. - Not yet, uh-huh. 701 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,358 - No. 702 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:34,485 l've been with her for three years, 703 00:43:34,486 --> 00:43:37,280 and l got a 17-month-old baby with her. 704 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:39,657 - oh, yeah. So you are staying with her? 705 00:43:39,658 --> 00:43:41,451 - Yeah. 706 00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:42,994 - Now the tattoo is forever. 707 00:43:42,995 --> 00:43:44,829 - Yeah, it's forever. 708 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:47,165 They just don't come off. 709 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:51,753 - And what happens if the relationship unravels? 710 00:43:51,754 --> 00:43:53,713 What happens to "Bailey"? 711 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,049 - Guess l'm gonna have to get "Bailey sucks" right there. 712 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:58,009 [laughs] 713 00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:09,020 - Can you talk about Jason Burkett? 714 00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:11,356 How did you meet him? How did you know him? 715 00:44:11,357 --> 00:44:13,816 What do you know about him? 716 00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:15,693 - First time l ever met him, 717 00:44:15,694 --> 00:44:17,612 seemed like a pretty cool guy, you know? 718 00:44:17,613 --> 00:44:18,988 So we hung out, 719 00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:21,282 and l introduced him to a few girls and everything, 720 00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:25,036 and then we used to go huntin' together. 721 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:30,124 one time, he tried to kill me. 722 00:44:30,125 --> 00:44:32,293 l introduced him to these girls, 723 00:44:32,294 --> 00:44:34,462 and her dad and him had something going on. 724 00:44:34,463 --> 00:44:35,838 l don't know. 725 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,091 Well, anyway, he thought l wanted to get with that girl 726 00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:40,593 and come over to another girl's house 727 00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:42,595 and rushed me with a gun. 728 00:44:42,596 --> 00:44:44,639 Well, I had this girl tell me to come outside, 729 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,391 and l was eating supper, 730 00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,476 and he rushed me with a gun. 731 00:44:48,477 --> 00:44:50,061 So we fought for about 45 minutes 732 00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:54,190 with a gun to my head in this girl's house. 733 00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:57,902 lt was a .22 caliber single-shot pistol. 734 00:44:57,903 --> 00:45:00,905 Yeah, he held-held it to my head, 735 00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:03,908 banged me in the head with it. 736 00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:06,411 We were fighting all through the house with the gun 737 00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:09,122 till l locked myself in this bedroom, 738 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:10,957 and he was gonna kick in the door, 739 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,251 so l just opened the door and let him in 740 00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:16,087 because l didn't want him to tear this girl's dad's house up, 741 00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:18,673 and after that, we started fighting again, 742 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:21,384 and he pinned me on the bed, and he pulled the trigger. 743 00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:22,969 - Where did the bullet go? 744 00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:25,471 - Nah, it misfired, 745 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:27,098 because the bullet come out the gun, 746 00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:30,309 and you could tell on a .22 bullet, there's like- 747 00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:32,645 it's just that round, flat piece on the bottom. 748 00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:34,480 Well, if the firing pin ain't long enough, 749 00:45:34,481 --> 00:45:38,151 it don't hit it, and- and it don't-it won't go off, 750 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:42,488 but it hit it, but l don't know why it didn't go off. 751 00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:44,365 - You were lucky. - Yeah. 752 00:45:44,366 --> 00:45:45,950 - Very lucky. 753 00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:47,452 - Yeah, I kind of blacked out there. 754 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:48,911 [laughs] 755 00:45:48,912 --> 00:45:50,580 [spits] 756 00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:54,584 But, yeah, real lucky. 757 00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:57,086 And then him killing those people, man, 758 00:45:57,087 --> 00:45:59,088 l feel sorry for their families. 759 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:09,348 Me and my friend Big Justin was up at the bar one time, 760 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:13,394 and he come up there with these new cars, him and Perry, 761 00:46:13,395 --> 00:46:14,771 and we're like, "Man, 762 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,522 where'd y'all get these new cars at?" 763 00:46:16,523 --> 00:46:18,274 He's like, "oh, we was holding hands"- 764 00:46:18,275 --> 00:46:19,650 him and Perry was holding hands 765 00:46:19,651 --> 00:46:22,737 and scratched off a lottery ticket together 766 00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:24,864 and won them two cars. 767 00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:26,657 Well, me and my buddy knew it wasn't right, 768 00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,826 because they're both felons, you know what I mean? 769 00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:30,203 Ain't nobody gonna sell them- 770 00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:32,205 ain't neither one got a driver's license, 771 00:46:32,206 --> 00:46:35,708 so, you know, and-and the cars were, like, fully loaded, 772 00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:39,378 CDs, skateboards, and stuff like that in there, 773 00:46:39,379 --> 00:46:43,299 and so we knew something- something was up with it, 774 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,928 and he started giving people joy rides up at the bar. 775 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,144 - Jason and Michael came up to the bar 776 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:57,855 to show off two new vehicles that they had purchased, 777 00:46:57,856 --> 00:47:02,652 and at first, we- nobody really understood. 778 00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:05,404 They explained that they had purchased a lottery ticket, 779 00:47:05,405 --> 00:47:07,782 and that's how they got the money to buy the cars, 780 00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:11,744 and at that time, it started getting a little weird. 781 00:47:11,745 --> 00:47:15,081 - What didn't sound right about this? 782 00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:17,792 - The amount of the lottery ticket was $4,000. 783 00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,752 They said they cashed it in a gas station. 784 00:47:19,753 --> 00:47:22,797 That doesn't usually happen. 785 00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:24,632 The vehicles themselves didn't look like 786 00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:26,008 they just came off a car lot. 787 00:47:26,009 --> 00:47:27,385 - You drove these cars? 788 00:47:27,386 --> 00:47:29,220 - I rode in them. l didn't drive them. 789 00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:30,721 Yeah, they- Jason and Michael 790 00:47:30,722 --> 00:47:32,723 were kind of giving everybody test drives, 791 00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:36,394 and I rode in both vehicles. 792 00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:41,357 The-the red Camaro, when I rode in it, 793 00:47:41,358 --> 00:47:43,818 they were showing off guns. 794 00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,236 There was a 12-gauge shotgun, 795 00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:46,821 and l don't remember the other one, 796 00:47:46,822 --> 00:47:50,491 but l did see 'em in the trunk of the red Camaro that night. 797 00:47:50,492 --> 00:47:54,036 From what l heard, rumors, you know, they were into- 798 00:47:54,037 --> 00:47:57,331 initially planning on stealing a car of my roommate 799 00:47:57,332 --> 00:47:58,708 at the house l was staying at, 800 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:00,167 and that scared the hell out of me, 801 00:48:00,168 --> 00:48:01,544 'cause that could've been me. 802 00:48:01,545 --> 00:48:03,254 You know, if he would've decided to come 803 00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:05,756 and get the car in my driveway, where would I be? 804 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:09,010 l've-l've managed to block it. 805 00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:11,679 l've managed to try to not deal with it 806 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,848 and not think about it. 807 00:48:18,604 --> 00:48:23,441 l guess being in the situations that l've been in, 808 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:25,443 just from being employed at that bar, 809 00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:30,281 l have seen so many awful things that I don't deal with them. 810 00:48:30,282 --> 00:48:32,325 I just kind of put them back. 811 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,579 - Did Jason brag about crimes? 812 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:39,373 - He never bragged to me and my buddy Big Justin. 813 00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:41,042 We didn't even know what had happened, 814 00:48:41,043 --> 00:48:45,129 and they was-they come got us from Justin's house, 815 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:47,465 the police did, and they took us up there, 816 00:48:47,466 --> 00:48:49,675 and they was like, "Y'all read the paper?" 817 00:48:49,676 --> 00:48:52,386 And l told 'em, well, I couldn't read, 818 00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:54,305 and then they didn't believe me, 819 00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:56,766 and they looked at my record and found out l can't read, 820 00:48:56,767 --> 00:48:59,602 and then, so they read the paper to me, 821 00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:02,229 and they told me what they had done. 822 00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:03,606 - Mm-hmm. 823 00:49:03,607 --> 00:49:04,982 Do you read now? 824 00:49:04,983 --> 00:49:06,525 - oh, yeah. 825 00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:09,570 - So late, you started to learn how to read. 826 00:49:09,571 --> 00:49:11,072 - Yeah, l learned how to read. 827 00:49:11,073 --> 00:49:12,448 - Wonderful, yes? 828 00:49:12,449 --> 00:49:14,909 l find this a great achievement. 829 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,870 - Yeah, it is awesome. 830 00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:19,830 - You are much more connected now. 831 00:49:19,831 --> 00:49:22,667 - Yeah. 832 00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:25,211 - How does it feel not to be able to read? 833 00:49:25,212 --> 00:49:27,254 You have to be much smarter than the others 834 00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:28,673 to understand the world anyway. 835 00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:30,341 - Yeah. 836 00:49:30,342 --> 00:49:33,177 It's-it's kind of tough out there when you can't read, 837 00:49:33,178 --> 00:49:35,346 but, l mean, 'cause they ain't always have 838 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,181 somebody gonna read it for you. 839 00:49:39,351 --> 00:49:42,645 But, l mean, l learned how to read in jail 840 00:49:42,646 --> 00:49:46,357 so l could write letters and read the letters, 841 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,695 and other than that, l don't plan on going back, 842 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:54,031 but l'm glad l learned how to read there. 843 00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:56,534 - And you are doing good now? - oh, yeah. 844 00:49:56,535 --> 00:49:58,828 Staying busy at the paint and body shop. 845 00:49:58,829 --> 00:50:00,830 - Reading? - oh, yeah. 846 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:02,331 - Writing? 847 00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:04,417 - Not much writing. 848 00:50:04,418 --> 00:50:05,876 A lot of sanding. 849 00:50:05,877 --> 00:50:07,795 [laughs] 850 00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:13,759 - l'm interested in your relationship with Michael Perry. 851 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,386 How did you two meet? 852 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:17,013 How does this thing happen? 853 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:22,685 - In 2000, l had a girlfriend in 2000. 854 00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:25,563 She had a friend named Miranda. 855 00:50:25,564 --> 00:50:27,231 l ended up going to jail, 856 00:50:27,232 --> 00:50:29,775 and Miranda, l seen her on the side of the road 857 00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,278 arguing with Michael Perry, and l said- 858 00:50:32,279 --> 00:50:34,238 l pulled over, and l asked her what was going on, 859 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,906 and she said, "He's living in my trunk, 860 00:50:35,907 --> 00:50:37,283 "and l can't get him- 861 00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:38,951 "you know, he can't live there no more. 862 00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:40,327 "My dad's seen him. 863 00:50:40,328 --> 00:50:42,163 "My dad got in a fight with him this morning. 864 00:50:42,164 --> 00:50:43,539 He can't live there." 865 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:45,082 So he was living in the trunk of a car, 866 00:50:45,083 --> 00:50:47,084 and l said, "Well, l don't know what to tell you." 867 00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:48,794 And she asked me, "Can he live with you?" 868 00:50:48,795 --> 00:50:50,171 And at that moment, I told her, 869 00:50:50,172 --> 00:50:52,006 "No, he can't live with me." 870 00:50:52,007 --> 00:50:54,550 And then, l looked at him, and she's, like, sad and crying, 871 00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:57,928 and she said, "Please, let him live with you just for a month." 872 00:50:57,929 --> 00:51:00,056 This was when we were living in the camper trailer, 873 00:51:00,057 --> 00:51:02,433 and I told him, "You can live with us. 874 00:51:02,434 --> 00:51:06,020 Get your stuff, put it in my truck, and come home." 875 00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:10,983 And from that day on, l fed him, gave him money, 876 00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:12,359 took care of him. 877 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,613 He was like a- like a little brother, 878 00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:17,573 kid brother that was pushed on you, 879 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:20,701 and-and when they-he's older than me by a few months, 880 00:51:20,702 --> 00:51:22,828 but l had to take care of him because he had nothing. 881 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,580 He had nobody. 882 00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:27,083 Little did l know he had a very supportive family. 883 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,752 His mom and dad were both supportive. 884 00:51:29,753 --> 00:51:31,295 He just didn't want to follow rules. 885 00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,547 He was just like me and didn't want to follow rules, 886 00:51:33,548 --> 00:51:35,466 and that's why he ended up living with me, 887 00:51:35,467 --> 00:51:38,219 'cause they said, "Work and you can live with us." 888 00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:40,054 He didn't want to work. 889 00:51:40,055 --> 00:51:44,433 - And you were sent on a outward Bound trip into Florida. 890 00:51:44,434 --> 00:51:46,060 What happened? What was that, yeah? 891 00:51:46,061 --> 00:51:47,895 - Well, you know, l'm a city boy at heart, 892 00:51:47,896 --> 00:51:49,313 you know what l'm saying? 893 00:51:49,314 --> 00:51:51,065 I'm really not into the nature and bugs 894 00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:53,400 and-and the weather and, you know. 895 00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:57,655 So, you know, when-they sent me on a two-week canoe trip. 896 00:51:57,656 --> 00:51:59,323 - Which sounds wonderful for me, but- 897 00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:01,117 - Yeah, you know, you know, I like to canoe, 898 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:02,493 but what it- what was- 899 00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:04,036 lt wasn't the canoeing that was bad. 900 00:52:04,037 --> 00:52:05,579 It was that it was in the Everglades. 901 00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,498 l mean, we're seeing alligators everywhere. 902 00:52:07,499 --> 00:52:08,874 Now, my question is- 903 00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:10,835 and l didn't even realize that until I got here- 904 00:52:10,836 --> 00:52:12,378 what happened if l would've fell out 905 00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:13,754 and got eaten by an alligator? 906 00:52:13,755 --> 00:52:15,256 Who would've been responsible? 907 00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:17,341 You know, did my parents sign some type ofwaiver? 908 00:52:17,342 --> 00:52:19,260 Because there was alligators everywhere. 909 00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:21,262 - Well, a young man of 13, you better watch out 910 00:52:21,263 --> 00:52:23,055 and-and handle the alligators well, yes. 911 00:52:23,056 --> 00:52:24,431 - Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 912 00:52:24,432 --> 00:52:26,016 - But what happened then? You didn't- 913 00:52:26,017 --> 00:52:28,310 - Well, l think it was on the third or fourth day. 914 00:52:28,311 --> 00:52:32,148 We would canoe until, like, nighttime and pull in. 915 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,859 l guess they had certain designations marked, 916 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:36,819 and sometimes we'd pull in, like, at midnight. 917 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:39,196 There's bugs-you can reach out and grab a handful of bugs, 918 00:52:39,197 --> 00:52:40,865 and then they'd want us to cook dinner, 919 00:52:40,866 --> 00:52:42,575 and, you know, l'm like, "Man, I can't." 920 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,243 And one of the things of the program was 921 00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:45,911 to teach you immediate- 922 00:52:45,912 --> 00:52:48,164 you know, every action there's a-there's a reaction, 923 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:50,124 so immediate consequences to your decisions, 924 00:52:50,125 --> 00:52:51,709 and one of the things I learned is that 925 00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:53,419 if l don't pay attention to the lessons- 926 00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:54,920 we had these bags for our property, 927 00:52:54,921 --> 00:52:57,506 and you had to seal them right, or they wouldn't be waterproof. 928 00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,466 Well, l didn't listen, and it fell in the water, 929 00:52:59,467 --> 00:53:01,635 and all my stuff got wet, so l didn't have my own tent. 930 00:53:01,636 --> 00:53:03,304 I didn't have no toilet paper anymore, 931 00:53:03,305 --> 00:53:04,680 and l didn't like that. 932 00:53:04,681 --> 00:53:06,682 So basically, l-l was my typical stubborn self, 933 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:08,058 and l told them, "You know what? 934 00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:09,810 l ain't doing this no more. Take me home." 935 00:53:09,811 --> 00:53:11,770 - But you were not attacked by alligators, but- 936 00:53:11,771 --> 00:53:13,564 - No, we were attacked by monkeys, though. 937 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:14,940 - By monkeys. What happened? 938 00:53:14,941 --> 00:53:17,026 - Absolutely, monkeys were jumping from one side 939 00:53:17,027 --> 00:53:18,444 to the trees on the side we were at 940 00:53:18,445 --> 00:53:19,987 and come-trying to come over there, 941 00:53:19,988 --> 00:53:22,781 and they couldn't figure out where the monkeys came from, 942 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,659 but there was a whole bunch of them, 943 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:27,161 a whole bunch. 944 00:53:27,162 --> 00:53:28,579 l wanted to get out and get one, 945 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,789 but they said they have diseases, right? 946 00:54:04,866 --> 00:54:06,867 - So best-case scenario, 947 00:54:06,868 --> 00:54:10,246 if you are granted parole in 2041, 948 00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:13,165 how old would you be then? 949 00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:14,667 Does this ever occur to you? 950 00:54:14,668 --> 00:54:16,210 Do you want to think about it? 951 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,421 - l'll be 59, 60. 952 00:54:19,422 --> 00:54:20,798 l was 19. 953 00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:22,633 l have to do 40 years from 19, 954 00:54:22,634 --> 00:54:26,887 which will be 59 years old. 955 00:54:26,888 --> 00:54:28,222 Long time. 956 00:54:31,184 --> 00:54:34,353 - When it came to the phase after your trial was over, 957 00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:38,732 for punishment phase, your father showed up in court. 958 00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:41,777 Can you describe the scene? 959 00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:44,863 - l knew he was coming, 960 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:47,449 and l knew what he was gonna testify to, 961 00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:50,035 but to hear him testify, it's like- 962 00:54:50,036 --> 00:54:51,912 l was born with neuroblastomas. 963 00:54:51,913 --> 00:54:54,957 l-l had 18 surgeries by the time l was five, 964 00:54:54,958 --> 00:54:57,418 and l-l don't know a lot about it 965 00:54:57,419 --> 00:55:01,338 because it's something that l try to shy away from. 966 00:55:01,339 --> 00:55:03,924 l knew he was gonna testify to my raising, 967 00:55:03,925 --> 00:55:06,218 and l was a- in pain all the time, 968 00:55:06,219 --> 00:55:08,429 and he'd watch me cry to sleep, and... 969 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,474 It was difficult, because l seen him cry. 970 00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:14,059 l mean, if you ever see my dad, 971 00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:18,397 he's 6'6", 6'7", 300 pounds, big old guy, tattooed. 972 00:55:18,398 --> 00:55:20,232 - And they brought him in from-from prison. 973 00:55:20,233 --> 00:55:21,608 - He came in from prison. 974 00:55:21,609 --> 00:55:23,777 - ls he still incarcerated? 975 00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,280 - He's right across the street on Ellis Unit. 976 00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:30,492 - Mr. Burkett, how are you doing? 977 00:55:30,493 --> 00:55:32,619 - Just-l'm doing fine. 978 00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:34,121 Doing fine. Little sick. 979 00:55:34,122 --> 00:55:36,123 - How fine? - Little bit sick. 980 00:55:36,124 --> 00:55:38,083 - Mm-hmm. 981 00:55:38,084 --> 00:55:40,502 You are in here for how many years? 982 00:55:40,503 --> 00:55:41,920 - 40. 983 00:55:41,921 --> 00:55:43,505 - 40 years. - Yes, sir. 984 00:55:43,506 --> 00:55:45,299 - Eight felony counts, is that correct? 985 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:47,718 - Yes, sir. - That's pretty serious. 986 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,219 - Yes, sir. 987 00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:53,223 - And you spent some time before this 40-year sentence in jail. 988 00:55:53,224 --> 00:55:54,600 ls that correct? 989 00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:55,976 - Yes, sir. - Yeah. 990 00:55:55,977 --> 00:55:58,479 - l've been in prison five times. 991 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,731 - How many years already? 992 00:56:00,732 --> 00:56:02,691 - A 2-year sentence, a 5-year sentence, 993 00:56:02,692 --> 00:56:05,944 a 30-year sentence, and then this 40. 994 00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:07,946 - That's a lot. - Yes, sir. 995 00:56:07,947 --> 00:56:10,157 - What went wrong? 996 00:56:10,158 --> 00:56:12,493 - Drugs and alcohol. 997 00:56:12,494 --> 00:56:14,036 - Can you explain? 998 00:56:14,037 --> 00:56:18,540 - Well, l started using drugs when l was about 13, 999 00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:21,085 drinking and drugging, and, uh... 1000 00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:25,339 Selling and manufacturing. 1001 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:27,841 Some stealing and burglarizing going along with it 1002 00:56:27,842 --> 00:56:29,468 to sup-support the habit 1003 00:56:29,469 --> 00:56:33,472 and always end up back in prison. 1004 00:56:33,473 --> 00:56:37,559 - There's one significant moment when Jason, your son, 1005 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,729 was found guilty for capital murder... 1006 00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:43,107 - Yes. - And triple homicide. 1007 00:56:43,108 --> 00:56:46,068 During the sentencing phase, you appeared in court. 1008 00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:49,822 Can you describe what you said to the jury? 1009 00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:57,037 - Well... [clears throat] 1010 00:56:57,038 --> 00:57:00,207 I explained to 'em what prison life was about, 1011 00:57:00,208 --> 00:57:02,876 and I explained- l explained to 'em 1012 00:57:02,877 --> 00:57:05,671 that l didn't think killing him 1013 00:57:05,672 --> 00:57:11,009 was gonna bring back those people or really, you know, 1014 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:14,388 do anything to correct what happened, 1015 00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:18,642 and I asked the jury to, you know, 1016 00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:21,437 "Please, you know, don't kill my son." 1017 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:22,813 l asked 'em. 1018 00:57:22,814 --> 00:57:25,190 l said just, "Please, don't kill my son." 1019 00:57:25,191 --> 00:57:28,193 He never had a chance. 1020 00:57:28,194 --> 00:57:29,778 He didn't have a father. 1021 00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:32,739 l told 'em that, you know, he did-l was never there, 1022 00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:34,908 and his mother was a, you know, single mother 1023 00:57:34,909 --> 00:57:36,785 with four children, 1024 00:57:36,786 --> 00:57:39,663 and-and she had handicaps. 1025 00:57:39,664 --> 00:57:42,166 She-she's on disability. 1026 00:57:42,167 --> 00:57:44,960 Most of that time, she was living on disability, 1027 00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:47,379 and so they- they really didn't- 1028 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,798 they lived off food stamps, 1029 00:57:49,799 --> 00:57:53,093 and, you know, HUD housing and that type of thing, 1030 00:57:53,094 --> 00:57:56,805 and-and he- he really- 1031 00:57:56,806 --> 00:58:01,602 he really had a real poor life growing up. 1032 00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:05,564 l just asked 'em not to kill my son. 1033 00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:06,940 lt wasn't his fault. 1034 00:58:06,941 --> 00:58:08,901 l-it-l wished l could- 1035 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:11,403 I wish that I could take the time, his time. 1036 00:58:11,404 --> 00:58:15,240 l wish l could, 'cause l feel like that it's my fault. 1037 00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:17,618 l-l really do. 1038 00:58:17,619 --> 00:58:19,953 l feel like it's- 1039 00:58:19,954 --> 00:58:22,080 l'm as much at fault as he is, 1040 00:58:22,081 --> 00:58:23,749 'cause if l'd have been there, 1041 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,542 it, quite possibly, maybe not, 1042 00:58:25,543 --> 00:58:27,544 but-but it might possibly have been different. 1043 00:58:27,545 --> 00:58:29,796 He'd have had a better chance. 1044 00:58:29,797 --> 00:58:32,299 You know, he'd have a whole lot better chance, 1045 00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,968 if l'd have been there helping his mother raise him, 1046 00:58:34,969 --> 00:58:36,845 but l wasn't. 1047 00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:39,056 The jury got up to leave, 1048 00:58:39,057 --> 00:58:41,642 and the door was right here to my right, 1049 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,978 and as the door closed behind them, 1050 00:58:44,979 --> 00:58:47,105 l heard two ladies break down. 1051 00:58:47,106 --> 00:58:49,149 l'm-l'm real emotional, 1052 00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:51,652 and l'm crying through the whole thing, 1053 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:54,821 but as they went through that door, and the door closed, 1054 00:58:54,822 --> 00:58:58,659 I heard two ladies break down crying. 1055 00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:03,330 They broke down, and then the- 1056 00:59:03,331 --> 00:59:06,333 when it-it was all over and his lawyer come told me, 1057 00:59:06,334 --> 00:59:08,835 he said- l remember the-his words. 1058 00:59:08,836 --> 00:59:11,421 He said, "You got him." 1059 00:59:11,422 --> 00:59:12,798 - You saved a life. 1060 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:14,216 - He said-he said, "You got him." 1061 00:59:14,217 --> 00:59:16,009 I said, "What do you mean?" 1062 00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:18,053 He said, "You got him." 1063 00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:19,930 And that's where l- that's what saved- 1064 00:59:19,931 --> 00:59:21,306 there was two votes. 1065 00:59:21,307 --> 00:59:24,810 lt was ten to two, and there was two votes 1066 00:59:24,811 --> 00:59:28,355 that voted not to kill him, 1067 00:59:28,356 --> 00:59:32,859 and l think those were the two ladies right there that- 1068 00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:36,989 they're the ones that saved his life. 1069 00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:39,449 - But you can be proud of this moment. 1070 00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:41,201 - Yeah. 1071 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,290 l had some help too. 1072 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:47,833 God helped me. 1073 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:49,251 He did. 1074 00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:51,545 l asked God to help me, and l think He did. 1075 00:59:55,174 --> 00:59:58,885 l didn't deserve any help for him. 1076 00:59:58,886 --> 01:00:00,887 He may not deserve the help, 1077 01:00:00,888 --> 01:00:04,933 but we got it from some place, so... 1078 01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:12,316 - The hardest part was to look at him 1079 01:00:12,317 --> 01:00:13,692 and for him to look at me, 1080 01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:15,193 and l seen that he was sincere, 1081 01:00:15,194 --> 01:00:16,945 that he really was sorry for, you know, 1082 01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:18,947 what he had done throughout my whole childhood, 1083 01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:20,324 and he had been in prison. 1084 01:00:20,325 --> 01:00:21,908 l don't blame him for it, 1085 01:00:21,909 --> 01:00:23,744 but l seen right there that he understood 1086 01:00:23,745 --> 01:00:26,246 that it did affect us, and l cried that one day, 1087 01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:28,123 that was it, through the- the whole trial. 1088 01:00:28,124 --> 01:00:29,708 Even after conviction, 1089 01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:33,420 the only thing that hurt me was my-my dad testifying. 1090 01:00:35,256 --> 01:00:38,091 - Whenever l went back and testified, 1091 01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:40,218 his brother went back and testified too. 1092 01:00:40,219 --> 01:00:42,262 His brother was in- in prison, Chris, 1093 01:00:42,263 --> 01:00:46,433 and-and we, me and Chris went- 1094 01:00:46,434 --> 01:00:49,102 came back to the diagnostics together, 1095 01:00:49,103 --> 01:00:51,104 and then- and l'm embarrassed, 1096 01:00:51,105 --> 01:00:55,442 but all of three of us, we had Thanksgiving together, 1097 01:00:55,443 --> 01:01:00,322 me and Chris and Jason over at the diagnostics unit. 1098 01:01:00,323 --> 01:01:03,867 You know, and they, uh... 1099 01:01:05,995 --> 01:01:07,371 They think that's kind of cool, 1100 01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:09,665 but as a father, I thought that was pretty embarrassing 1101 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,750 to be sitting there in prison with my sons. 1102 01:01:11,751 --> 01:01:14,628 - All of them incarcerated. - Yes, sir. 1103 01:01:14,629 --> 01:01:17,756 And then me and Jason went on over to the next place together, 1104 01:01:17,757 --> 01:01:19,758 handcuffed together in the bus, 1105 01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:21,593 and that's something that I never in my life 1106 01:01:21,594 --> 01:01:24,805 would ever dreamed-dreamed of that would've happened, 1107 01:01:24,806 --> 01:01:28,975 that that same little baby that was... 1108 01:01:28,976 --> 01:01:32,771 We had to hold him down to take bone marrow tests out of, 1109 01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:34,773 the same little 6-pound baby. 1110 01:01:34,774 --> 01:01:38,944 - Describe the feeling to me when you are handcuffed together 1111 01:01:38,945 --> 01:01:42,489 with your own son in the same bus. 1112 01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:43,907 Can you describe that? 1113 01:01:43,908 --> 01:01:46,618 - No, not really. It-it's, uh... 1114 01:01:46,619 --> 01:01:48,870 - Try to describe it for us. 1115 01:01:48,871 --> 01:01:51,581 - [sighs] 1116 01:01:51,582 --> 01:01:54,376 Well, l don't know. 1117 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,336 l just felt like a total failure, 1118 01:01:56,337 --> 01:01:58,630 total failure as a father. 1119 01:01:58,631 --> 01:02:00,382 - And you could feel his hand, can't you? 1120 01:02:00,383 --> 01:02:02,008 - Yes. 1121 01:02:02,009 --> 01:02:04,803 Yeah, we were handcuffed to this hand and his right hand, 1122 01:02:04,804 --> 01:02:09,015 and we were sitting there, and-and I was just- 1123 01:02:09,016 --> 01:02:10,642 it was just total failure. 1124 01:02:10,643 --> 01:02:12,602 That's what l felt like. 1125 01:02:12,603 --> 01:02:15,355 l felt like crap, you know, 1126 01:02:15,356 --> 01:02:17,023 and l used a different word to the jury, 1127 01:02:17,024 --> 01:02:18,942 and-and-and that's- 1128 01:02:18,943 --> 01:02:20,861 and that's what l meant. 1129 01:02:20,862 --> 01:02:23,196 You know, he had trash for a- for a father, 1130 01:02:23,197 --> 01:02:26,324 and-and then here l was sitting with my baby son 1131 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:30,495 on a prison bus, and, l mean, l don't think it- 1132 01:02:30,496 --> 01:02:34,040 I don't think it gets much lower than that, you know? 1133 01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:37,002 ltjust don't. 1134 01:02:37,003 --> 01:02:39,838 Knowing me or him, neither one'll ever, you know, 1135 01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:43,633 get out again. 1136 01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:47,387 l just got a three-year set off again 1137 01:02:47,388 --> 01:02:49,723 about a week ago, so... 1138 01:02:49,724 --> 01:02:53,894 We'll never-me or him will never get out again. 1139 01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:55,562 - And will he ever get out again? 1140 01:02:55,563 --> 01:02:57,397 - l don't think so. 1141 01:02:57,398 --> 01:02:59,399 He comes up for parole the first time in- 1142 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,736 in 1942 for the first time. 1143 01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:05,238 - 40 years after his conviction. 1144 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,240 - Yes, sir, 1941. I'm sorry. 1145 01:03:07,241 --> 01:03:09,242 Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 1146 01:03:09,243 --> 01:03:12,662 - Yeah, 2041. You're a century back. 1147 01:03:12,663 --> 01:03:14,247 - Yes. - Behind. 1148 01:03:14,248 --> 01:03:17,209 - 19-yeah, 2041. I'm sorry. 1149 01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:19,503 - Well, it doesn't matter. lt's-time must be- 1150 01:03:19,504 --> 01:03:20,921 - A long time. 1151 01:03:20,922 --> 01:03:23,715 - Time is probably different for you in here. 1152 01:03:23,716 --> 01:03:25,842 - Yes, sir. 1153 01:04:21,607 --> 01:04:22,983 - This is actually the vehicle 1154 01:04:22,984 --> 01:04:25,443 that was in Sandra Stotler's garage. 1155 01:04:25,444 --> 01:04:26,820 This was the vehicle 1156 01:04:26,821 --> 01:04:32,158 that Michael Perry and Jason Burkett was-was after. 1157 01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:34,244 Three people died for this car, 1158 01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:35,954 a car that was in their possession 1159 01:04:35,955 --> 01:04:39,457 for less than 72 hours, l believe. 1160 01:04:41,502 --> 01:04:43,003 Within a couple of years, 1161 01:04:43,004 --> 01:04:44,880 l mean, this vehicle was just trashed, 1162 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:46,256 the inside of it, 1163 01:04:46,257 --> 01:04:48,341 because there was actually a tree that had rooted 1164 01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:50,051 and had come up through the center of it, 1165 01:04:50,052 --> 01:04:51,428 and it tore the floorboard up, 1166 01:04:51,429 --> 01:04:56,016 and whenever we actually had to move it over to this lot, 1167 01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:58,351 it was a little bit difficult because of that. 1168 01:04:58,352 --> 01:05:00,103 - A tree grew inside of it. 1169 01:05:00,104 --> 01:05:02,647 - A tree grew up from the bottom up into- 1170 01:05:02,648 --> 01:05:03,982 up into the car. 1171 01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:11,990 - Why did they die? 1172 01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:15,368 - l ask myself that question every day. 1173 01:05:15,369 --> 01:05:19,664 l mean, for a vehicle? 1174 01:05:19,665 --> 01:05:22,667 You know, l-l don't know. 1175 01:05:22,668 --> 01:05:24,044 l don't know. 1176 01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:26,254 People die every day over giving people a dirty look 1177 01:05:26,255 --> 01:05:28,673 or, you know, $2. 1178 01:05:28,674 --> 01:05:31,384 People rob each other, and I don't know. 1179 01:05:31,385 --> 01:05:32,844 l don't know why they died, 1180 01:05:32,845 --> 01:05:35,639 the greed of these two boys. 1181 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,057 l don't know. 1182 01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:38,725 l don't- l don't have an answer. 1183 01:05:38,726 --> 01:05:42,812 - Can you speak about the family of victims? 1184 01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:47,817 Nobody seems to address that side. 1185 01:05:49,403 --> 01:05:50,820 - l-l don't- 1186 01:05:50,821 --> 01:05:52,989 - How do you live with all this? 1187 01:05:52,990 --> 01:05:55,075 - [sighs] l didn't for a while. 1188 01:05:55,076 --> 01:05:56,493 l'm starting to live again, 1189 01:05:56,494 --> 01:06:01,539 but basically l just shut down. 1190 01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:06,962 Montgomery County has a victims assistance program, 1191 01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:10,423 but when you-when your whole family's ripped from you, 1192 01:06:10,424 --> 01:06:13,176 you-you know, you're kind of like, what's the point? 1193 01:06:13,177 --> 01:06:14,761 What's the point of living anymore? 1194 01:06:14,762 --> 01:06:16,471 l don't have a family to share it with. 1195 01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:18,223 And l know l have to live for my children, 1196 01:06:18,224 --> 01:06:19,599 to raise my children. 1197 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,434 l don't want them to have a miserable life 1198 01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:25,146 or have a depressed mother all the time. 1199 01:06:25,147 --> 01:06:29,317 But for about four years, I didn't go anywhere. 1200 01:06:29,318 --> 01:06:32,404 l stayed in the house, 1201 01:06:32,405 --> 01:06:33,822 took the phone out of the home. 1202 01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:35,198 l don't like to talk to people. 1203 01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:37,909 I figure, if I don't get close to anybody, 1204 01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:39,703 l don't-you know, l won't get hurt again. 1205 01:06:39,704 --> 01:06:41,371 l don't know. 1206 01:06:41,372 --> 01:06:44,124 I just- l just shut down, really. 1207 01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:46,626 My grandmother shut down. 1208 01:06:46,627 --> 01:06:52,173 our-our lives are- are empty, very empty. 1209 01:06:52,174 --> 01:06:53,800 Very empty. 1210 01:06:58,889 --> 01:07:00,306 That's Adam. 1211 01:07:00,307 --> 01:07:02,809 That was his six- he was 16 there. 1212 01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,270 That was his last school picture. 1213 01:07:18,659 --> 01:07:21,745 My brother, my brother was my best friend. 1214 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:26,332 He was- he was only 16. 1215 01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:28,835 lt is true that he is not my real brother. 1216 01:07:28,836 --> 01:07:31,713 My sister was- got pregnant when she was 16, 1217 01:07:31,714 --> 01:07:33,923 and my parents adopted him, 1218 01:07:33,924 --> 01:07:36,968 and they were actually out of town the day he was born, 1219 01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:39,846 so l was the first one to hold him, 1220 01:07:39,847 --> 01:07:42,932 and l just-l had this feeling his whole life 1221 01:07:42,933 --> 01:07:44,642 that something was gonna happen to him, 1222 01:07:44,643 --> 01:07:46,895 and l remember calling my mother and saying, you know, 1223 01:07:46,896 --> 01:07:48,396 "What's Adam doing? Where's Adam? 1224 01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:50,482 You need to make sure- y'all just moved up to ohio. 1225 01:07:50,483 --> 01:07:52,317 You need to make sure you're watching him." 1226 01:07:52,318 --> 01:07:54,319 And my mom was like, "l've raised five children. 1227 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,695 l can take care of him." 1228 01:07:55,696 --> 01:07:58,114 And when he hit 16, l knew he was-he was good. 1229 01:07:58,115 --> 01:07:59,491 He was safe. He was a man. 1230 01:07:59,492 --> 01:08:01,409 He'd be able to take care of himself now. 1231 01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:03,953 He was such a great kid. 1232 01:08:03,954 --> 01:08:06,998 He was in love for the first time in his life. 1233 01:08:15,716 --> 01:08:22,889 And, um, one-one thing that sticks out for me, 1234 01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:25,558 my mom always protected me. 1235 01:08:25,559 --> 01:08:29,062 one thing that l remember, 1236 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:31,564 l was supposed to get married. 1237 01:08:31,565 --> 01:08:34,734 Well, l did get married September 16, 1995, 1238 01:08:34,735 --> 01:08:37,737 but my dad, Mel, he was a preacher, 1239 01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:40,532 and he was supposed to marry me and Kenneth. 1240 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,700 He died six months before the wedding. 1241 01:08:42,701 --> 01:08:47,622 He was hit by a train, him and my older brother 1242 01:08:47,623 --> 01:08:49,290 and the family dog. 1243 01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:54,045 And so we got-l refused to get married in a church, 1244 01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:56,381 so we got married on the boat in Lake Conroe. 1245 01:08:56,382 --> 01:08:58,299 Right as I was walking out the- 1246 01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,718 walking out the door to go down the aisle, 1247 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:05,056 my mother pinned my dad's wedding ring inside my dress 1248 01:09:05,057 --> 01:09:06,432 right over my heart, 1249 01:09:06,433 --> 01:09:09,352 and she said, "l didn't want your dad to miss this." 1250 01:09:09,353 --> 01:09:11,354 And, you know, thatjust- 1251 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:14,774 - You loved her. 1252 01:09:14,775 --> 01:09:17,777 - Yes, and l know she was in so much pain that day, 1253 01:09:17,778 --> 01:09:22,031 but she hid it because l was so happy. 1254 01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:24,951 She hid her pain for me, 1255 01:09:24,952 --> 01:09:28,329 and, you know, she-she just made it through the day. 1256 01:09:30,291 --> 01:09:33,293 l just miss 'em a lot. 1257 01:09:33,294 --> 01:09:37,672 our family's just so incomplete, so incomplete. 1258 01:09:41,302 --> 01:09:43,636 You know, sometimes my kids will ask me things, 1259 01:09:43,637 --> 01:09:45,096 and l'll go, "l don't know. 1260 01:09:45,097 --> 01:09:46,598 l wonder what my mo-" 1261 01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:49,142 You know, there's things at all times of day and night 1262 01:09:49,143 --> 01:09:51,060 l want to call and ask her. 1263 01:09:51,061 --> 01:09:55,440 lt took me forever to realize she was really gone 1264 01:09:55,441 --> 01:09:57,984 'cause l would want to pick up the phone and call her. 1265 01:09:57,985 --> 01:10:01,654 - Is this why you got rid of the phone? 1266 01:10:01,655 --> 01:10:08,995 - Yes, l-l did not want another phone call 1267 01:10:08,996 --> 01:10:12,832 telling me somebody else in my family had died. 1268 01:10:14,251 --> 01:10:16,044 I couldn't handle those phone calls anymore. 1269 01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:20,381 l couldn't handle 'em anymore, 1270 01:10:20,382 --> 01:10:24,135 so l just cut myself off from the world. 1271 01:10:26,263 --> 01:10:28,473 I can't-I can't have a phone on. 1272 01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,433 l just don't like to hear the phone ring anymore 1273 01:10:30,434 --> 01:10:33,144 'cause all it ever brought me was bad news. 1274 01:10:33,145 --> 01:10:34,646 - The worst. - The worst. 1275 01:10:34,647 --> 01:10:37,190 - Notjust bad, yeah. 1276 01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:39,192 You had to-to face it. 1277 01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:41,444 - Yeah. 1278 01:10:41,445 --> 01:10:43,196 Well, you know, it's just, l mean, 1279 01:10:43,197 --> 01:10:48,701 not only did l lose my mother and my father and my brother 1280 01:10:48,702 --> 01:10:50,536 to tragic circumstances. 1281 01:10:50,537 --> 01:10:52,205 l mean, my grandfather had a stroke. 1282 01:10:52,206 --> 01:10:53,581 My uncle hung himself. 1283 01:10:53,582 --> 01:10:56,376 My other uncle had a heroin overdose. 1284 01:10:56,377 --> 01:10:59,754 My stepbrother shot himself 'cause he had pancreatic cancer. 1285 01:10:59,755 --> 01:11:02,048 My real father died in his sleep. 1286 01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:04,509 All this was in six years, a six-year period. 1287 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:07,637 l lost everyone in my family, everybody. 1288 01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:55,977 - Mr. Burkett, if you close the eyes 1289 01:11:55,978 --> 01:11:58,938 and you think about a different life 1290 01:11:58,939 --> 01:12:02,400 and it could start all over, 1291 01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:05,862 how would you raise the children? 1292 01:12:05,863 --> 01:12:07,780 - Well... 1293 01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:14,203 lt's hard to answer something that you've never done, 1294 01:12:14,204 --> 01:12:16,289 and, you know, embarrassing- 1295 01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:18,166 it's embarrassing to say that, 1296 01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:20,418 but-but l know when- I would like- 1297 01:12:20,419 --> 01:12:25,590 l would like to them have... 1298 01:12:25,591 --> 01:12:28,134 I had a scholarship to the University of Texas 1299 01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:31,095 in 1973, in football, 1300 01:12:31,096 --> 01:12:32,930 and I quit school in my senior year, 1301 01:12:32,931 --> 01:12:36,768 quit football and quit school and lost that, 1302 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:39,854 and l wish l could go back to right there. 1303 01:12:39,855 --> 01:12:41,522 - Yes, go back to right there. 1304 01:12:41,523 --> 01:12:43,149 Now you have the children. 1305 01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:47,236 - Then l have the children, and-and l would had- 1306 01:12:47,237 --> 01:12:50,281 I would have done everything in my power 1307 01:12:50,282 --> 01:12:54,660 to-to help them finish school like l didn't. 1308 01:12:54,661 --> 01:12:56,954 You always tell them, "Don't be like me." 1309 01:12:56,955 --> 01:12:58,498 Well, l wished- 1310 01:12:58,499 --> 01:13:01,000 I wished I would've been something they could've been, 1311 01:13:01,001 --> 01:13:03,211 and l wish they could've finished school. 1312 01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:05,505 l wish we could've played baseball like I did 1313 01:13:05,506 --> 01:13:08,174 when l was little, in Little League. 1314 01:13:08,175 --> 01:13:10,009 l wish that we could've played baseball. 1315 01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:12,637 Two of them did for, like, one time. 1316 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:15,056 l wish we could've played baseball, 1317 01:13:15,057 --> 01:13:17,558 and l wished l could've went to their football games. 1318 01:13:19,603 --> 01:13:23,106 And l raised a steer in- in school for FFA. 1319 01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:24,649 l wish they could've did that. 1320 01:13:24,650 --> 01:13:26,025 We lived in the country. 1321 01:13:26,026 --> 01:13:28,986 That's what I wish we could go back, all of us, 1322 01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:32,615 and-and-and go to school, school events. 1323 01:13:32,616 --> 01:13:33,991 l got to watch one of my sons 1324 01:13:33,992 --> 01:13:36,077 play the horn one time in school, 1325 01:13:36,078 --> 01:13:38,663 and-and that's the stuff that l remember. 1326 01:13:38,664 --> 01:13:40,331 That's the good stuff, 1327 01:13:40,332 --> 01:13:42,750 and this all wouldn't have happened. 1328 01:14:14,908 --> 01:14:16,409 - l want to say this on the record. 1329 01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:18,411 l'm not saying that my husband was a Boy Scout. 1330 01:14:18,412 --> 01:14:21,038 l'm not saying that Jason Burkett did absolutely- 1331 01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:23,249 had no knowledge and was, like, selling cookies 1332 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:27,253 or raising money for camp when that happened. 1333 01:14:27,254 --> 01:14:33,759 I'm saying that Jason did not kill one, two, or three people. 1334 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,264 Sandra, Jeremy, and Adam were not killed by Jason. 1335 01:14:38,265 --> 01:14:42,643 - And you asked your husband- 1336 01:14:42,644 --> 01:14:45,146 you asked Jason point-blank, 1337 01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:46,981 "Can you tell me what- what happened?" 1338 01:14:46,982 --> 01:14:49,609 because you wanted to make sure. 1339 01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:51,611 What did you ask him? 1340 01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,613 - l've asked Jason multiple times 1341 01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:55,823 to tell me everything that I need to know. 1342 01:14:55,824 --> 01:14:57,200 l said, "Jason-" 1343 01:14:57,201 --> 01:14:58,910 Jason doesn't have a whole lot of money, 1344 01:14:58,911 --> 01:15:00,453 so we do most of his stuff pro se, 1345 01:15:00,454 --> 01:15:03,289 which is where we file it ourselves, 1346 01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:07,418 and me and his father have pretty much done his appeal, 1347 01:15:07,419 --> 01:15:09,462 and l always ask him, 1348 01:15:09,463 --> 01:15:11,881 "l need to know everything you can tell me 1349 01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,549 to help you get home," 1350 01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:15,801 and that's basically how we start our conversations, 1351 01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:20,389 and Jason will recall things, and, you know, more and more, 1352 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:22,475 it's, like, been a snowball that l've picked up 1353 01:15:22,476 --> 01:15:24,101 exactly what l think happened. 1354 01:15:24,102 --> 01:15:25,478 - Yeah. 1355 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,522 And you are told he was innocent. 1356 01:15:27,523 --> 01:15:29,023 - Yes. 1357 01:15:29,024 --> 01:15:30,775 - And you do believe him. 1358 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:33,194 - l do believe him. 1359 01:15:33,195 --> 01:15:37,156 l-like l said, l believe that Jason had involvement. 1360 01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:39,867 l don't believe he killed three people. 1361 01:15:41,245 --> 01:15:42,828 l wrote Jason for maybe two years 1362 01:15:42,829 --> 01:15:44,455 before l went to meet him, 1363 01:15:44,456 --> 01:15:47,166 because really l could do most of the stuff through the mail, 1364 01:15:47,167 --> 01:15:49,168 and one day l was talking to his mother, 1365 01:15:49,169 --> 01:15:51,796 and she said something to the effect of, 1366 01:15:51,797 --> 01:15:53,923 "You'll never guess what Jason said to me today," 1367 01:15:53,924 --> 01:15:55,341 and l said, "What?" 1368 01:15:55,342 --> 01:15:59,470 And she said, "He told me that he was in love with you." 1369 01:15:59,471 --> 01:16:03,140 And l said, "That's crazy." 1370 01:16:03,141 --> 01:16:05,935 And l remember, to give you, like, the pre-story, 1371 01:16:05,936 --> 01:16:07,770 l was with my best friend, and when I hung up, 1372 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,605 l said to my best friend- her name's Kat- 1373 01:16:09,606 --> 01:16:13,442 l was like, "Kat, Jason Burkett's in love with me." 1374 01:16:13,443 --> 01:16:15,194 She goes, "That's probably pretty good 1375 01:16:15,195 --> 01:16:16,862 'cause you're in love with him too." 1376 01:16:16,863 --> 01:16:18,823 And l said, "What are you talking about? 1377 01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:20,283 Don't be an idiot," you know? 1378 01:16:20,284 --> 01:16:22,702 And she said, "Dude, when is the last time 1379 01:16:22,703 --> 01:16:24,161 "you've been on a date? 1380 01:16:24,162 --> 01:16:26,539 "When was the last time you haven't spent a Saturday night 1381 01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:28,874 with Jason Burkett's court paperwork?" 1382 01:16:28,875 --> 01:16:31,002 I was like, "Hey, that's not nice." 1383 01:16:31,003 --> 01:16:32,420 But l ended up driving- 1384 01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:33,838 l lived in Nebraska at the time. 1385 01:16:33,839 --> 01:16:36,799 l ended up driving from omaha to Abilene 1386 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,552 because l wanted him to tell me himself, 1387 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:41,095 and he was at the Robertson Unit. 1388 01:16:41,096 --> 01:16:42,888 - You were two days and two nights driving? 1389 01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:44,348 - Yes. 1390 01:16:44,349 --> 01:16:47,852 l drove-it- it seemed, like, endless too. 1391 01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:49,228 I drove, and l got there, 1392 01:16:49,229 --> 01:16:50,646 and l remember, I just asked him. 1393 01:16:50,647 --> 01:16:52,231 Like, that was the first thing I said. 1394 01:16:52,232 --> 01:16:54,567 I was like, "Hi, we've never seen each other in our lives, 1395 01:16:54,568 --> 01:16:55,943 "but hi. 1396 01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:57,820 Your mom told me that you're in love with me." 1397 01:16:57,821 --> 01:16:59,196 But l didn't say it. 1398 01:16:59,197 --> 01:17:00,573 l wanted to be coy, so I said, 1399 01:17:00,574 --> 01:17:02,742 "Your mom told me you told her something in a visit." 1400 01:17:02,743 --> 01:17:04,368 l said, "What- what did you tell her?" 1401 01:17:04,369 --> 01:17:06,245 And he said, "l need stamps?" 1402 01:17:06,246 --> 01:17:08,080 And l was like, "l wouldn't be in Abilene 1403 01:17:08,081 --> 01:17:09,749 "because you need stamps, right? 1404 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:11,584 What are you- don't play games with me." 1405 01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:13,419 And he goes, "oh, that part where l said 1406 01:17:13,420 --> 01:17:15,421 l was in love with you?" 1407 01:17:15,422 --> 01:17:17,590 And then l dropped the phone because l was nervous, 1408 01:17:17,591 --> 01:17:18,966 and l didn't know what to say, 1409 01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:20,885 and I kind of fumbled through that whole visit 1410 01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:23,054 because l didn't immediately go, "I love you too." 1411 01:17:23,055 --> 01:17:25,056 lt wasn't, you know, like a movie. 1412 01:17:25,057 --> 01:17:26,474 l was very nervous. 1413 01:17:26,475 --> 01:17:29,810 I'm not that girl that falls in love with an inmate. 1414 01:17:29,811 --> 01:17:32,938 And l was like, okay, l'm just gonna be cool with it, 1415 01:17:32,939 --> 01:17:36,609 and then when l left, the day l met Jason, 1416 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,152 there was a rainbow, and I'm not- 1417 01:17:38,153 --> 01:17:39,654 This is true. lt's in our letters. 1418 01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,530 There was a rainbow that went from one gate- 1419 01:17:41,531 --> 01:17:44,950 side of the gate to the other side of the gate, 1420 01:17:44,951 --> 01:17:48,412 and l thought that was the most miraculous sign that this is- 1421 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:50,289 this is the boy that l'm supposed to be with 1422 01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:51,874 and this is- he is innocent, 1423 01:17:51,875 --> 01:17:55,795 because how many times do you see a whole rainbow? 1424 01:17:55,796 --> 01:17:59,799 And we saw a whole rainbow, and my friend was with me. 1425 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,051 He saw the rainbow too. l have a witness. 1426 01:18:02,052 --> 01:18:03,427 And when Jason- 1427 01:18:03,428 --> 01:18:05,846 when l got home, l had a letter waiting for me, 1428 01:18:05,847 --> 01:18:07,932 and he said, "Did you see the rainbow?" 1429 01:18:07,933 --> 01:18:10,643 - At the gates of the prison. 1430 01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:12,812 - lt went from one side, my side on the outside, 1431 01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:15,064 to the inside to him. 1432 01:18:31,623 --> 01:18:33,791 - l believe in me, you know, l know what- 1433 01:18:33,792 --> 01:18:36,043 l know what happened back in 2001. 1434 01:18:36,044 --> 01:18:37,545 l know that l wasn't a part of it, 1435 01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:39,922 and l believe strongly in- in my faith, 1436 01:18:39,923 --> 01:18:41,465 in my attorneys, and in the outcome, 1437 01:18:41,466 --> 01:18:43,801 but at the same time, l don't even recognize these walls. 1438 01:18:43,802 --> 01:18:45,177 l don't pay attention to this, 1439 01:18:45,178 --> 01:18:47,138 because if you do, you're gonna lose your mind. 1440 01:18:47,139 --> 01:18:49,598 You're gonna-you're gonna go- you're gonna lose your mind. 1441 01:18:49,599 --> 01:18:52,017 Recently, another guy just killed himself the other day, 1442 01:18:52,018 --> 01:18:54,520 and he left a note saying that, 1443 01:18:54,521 --> 01:18:56,480 "Y'all have to live around all this craziness, 1444 01:18:56,481 --> 01:18:58,023 and l'm gone," 1445 01:18:58,024 --> 01:18:59,859 and that's because he was focusing on it, 1446 01:18:59,860 --> 01:19:01,235 but l don't. 1447 01:19:01,236 --> 01:19:02,611 l don't focus on it. 1448 01:19:02,612 --> 01:19:05,489 You know, l just- l just distract myself. 1449 01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:06,907 l stay busy. l work on my case. 1450 01:19:06,908 --> 01:19:08,617 l have a great family, 1451 01:19:08,618 --> 01:19:10,494 a lot of supporters that help me, 1452 01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,413 so l have enough distractions. 1453 01:19:12,414 --> 01:19:14,123 lf l didn't have enough distractions, 1454 01:19:14,124 --> 01:19:16,917 l might be in a different position. 1455 01:19:16,918 --> 01:19:20,755 - How does time occur to you now in your situation? 1456 01:19:20,756 --> 01:19:23,549 - Wow, that's a- that's a good- 1457 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:25,676 lt-it really varies, but, you know, 1458 01:19:25,677 --> 01:19:27,178 because, l'll- like, I'll forget. 1459 01:19:27,179 --> 01:19:28,554 l'll literally forget, 1460 01:19:28,555 --> 01:19:29,972 and then l'll look at my calendar 1461 01:19:29,973 --> 01:19:31,599 or l'll hear someone say something, 1462 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,975 and l'm like, "Man." 1463 01:19:32,976 --> 01:19:35,060 And l'll sit back, and l'll just stare at the wall, 1464 01:19:35,061 --> 01:19:36,645 and I'll be like, "Man, eight days, 1465 01:19:36,646 --> 01:19:39,774 seven days, six days," or whatever, and it's like- 1466 01:19:39,775 --> 01:19:41,942 it's just-l must not be comprehending the fact 1467 01:19:41,943 --> 01:19:43,736 that it's that close, because, you know, 1468 01:19:43,737 --> 01:19:45,571 it's hard for me to say, you know what- 1469 01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:47,740 like, l talk to people, "You know, in eight days, 1470 01:19:47,741 --> 01:19:49,408 these people want to murder me," 1471 01:19:49,409 --> 01:19:52,077 and it's just something that, it's hard for me to- 1472 01:19:52,078 --> 01:19:53,496 hard for me to believe 1473 01:19:53,497 --> 01:19:56,248 that the state of Texas wants to murder me in eight days. 1474 01:19:58,919 --> 01:20:00,669 - And worst-case scenario, 1475 01:20:00,670 --> 01:20:04,632 you know exactly what is going to happen on July 1st? 1476 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:07,176 - Yeah, the execution. Mm-hmm. 1477 01:20:07,177 --> 01:20:09,303 - You will be transported to Huntsville? 1478 01:20:09,304 --> 01:20:11,889 - Right, the Walls Unit. - That's a death house? 1479 01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:13,265 - Yes, sir. 1480 01:20:13,266 --> 01:20:16,769 - And you will be checked by a medical examiner? 1481 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:19,730 - l don't-no, no medical people can be involved. 1482 01:20:19,731 --> 01:20:21,315 - I think they- they have to check you 1483 01:20:21,316 --> 01:20:23,150 that you are fit to be executed. 1484 01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:25,653 - l've never heard that, but it might be. 1485 01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:27,363 - l think it's one of these absurdities. 1486 01:20:27,364 --> 01:20:28,948 lf you are unconscious, for example, 1487 01:20:28,949 --> 01:20:30,324 you cannot be executed. 1488 01:20:30,325 --> 01:20:31,700 - oh, yeah? 1489 01:20:31,701 --> 01:20:33,410 - or if you are stark mad or something... 1490 01:20:33,411 --> 01:20:35,204 - Yeah, yeah. - They would not execute you. 1491 01:20:35,205 --> 01:20:36,580 - Yeah, that is true. 1492 01:20:36,581 --> 01:20:38,666 - or if you are bleeding from a gunshot wound, 1493 01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:42,670 they would not put you onto the gurney. 1494 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:44,672 - Right. 1495 01:20:44,673 --> 01:20:46,674 They got to treat me first and then kill me, huh? 1496 01:20:46,675 --> 01:20:49,176 - Probably, yes. - [laughs] 1497 01:20:49,177 --> 01:20:52,680 That's-that's kind of crazy to think about, right? 1498 01:20:56,768 --> 01:20:58,769 Yeah, l just-l just can't allow myself to think. 1499 01:20:58,770 --> 01:21:00,813 l can't even picture myself laying on a gurney, 1500 01:21:00,814 --> 01:21:04,233 but if it happens, l'll have to deal with it, huh? 1501 01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:05,985 You know, l'll have to deal with it, 1502 01:21:05,986 --> 01:21:09,196 and l'll be able to watch over my mom from heaven 1503 01:21:09,197 --> 01:21:11,323 with a clear conscience and be at peace. 1504 01:21:11,324 --> 01:21:13,158 You know, like l said, for a long time, 1505 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:14,577 my life has been unhappy, 1506 01:21:14,578 --> 01:21:18,330 so finally l can find me some peace, huh? 1507 01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:20,082 - And you are at peace with yourself. 1508 01:21:20,083 --> 01:21:21,458 - Now. 1509 01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:22,877 - Mm-hmm. Took a long time. 1510 01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,712 - Yes, absolutely did. 1511 01:21:24,713 --> 01:21:27,423 Took a long time to realize what a man was. 1512 01:21:27,424 --> 01:21:29,091 l was out there acting like a child. 1513 01:21:29,092 --> 01:21:31,385 I acted like a child when l got in here at first, 1514 01:21:31,386 --> 01:21:35,723 but l'm confident in- in who I am now. 1515 01:21:39,519 --> 01:21:42,646 - Michael Perry, l wish you all the best. 1516 01:21:42,647 --> 01:21:45,107 - Yes, thank you. 1517 01:21:45,108 --> 01:21:46,859 l don't know what's gonna happen, huh? 1518 01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:49,570 We're gonna see. We're gonna find out. 1519 01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:51,405 l'll find out on Monday. 1520 01:22:12,677 --> 01:22:15,095 - They knew what l was telling them 1521 01:22:15,096 --> 01:22:17,097 was gonna be the truth. 1522 01:22:17,098 --> 01:22:20,809 l mean, l'm not gonna tell you anything that- 1523 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:23,812 l'm gonna tell you everything that's gonna happen back here. 1524 01:22:23,813 --> 01:22:26,690 At 4:00, a guy's gonna come in here, 1525 01:22:26,691 --> 01:22:29,443 and they're gonna fingerprint you. 1526 01:22:29,444 --> 01:22:31,570 Shortly after that, 1527 01:22:31,571 --> 01:22:34,573 we're gonna allow you to take a shower, 1528 01:22:34,574 --> 01:22:37,242 and then we're gonna put you in free world clothes, 1529 01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:39,745 let you-let you dress in free world clothes. 1530 01:22:39,746 --> 01:22:43,290 Free world clothes would be clothes you and l would wear. 1531 01:22:43,291 --> 01:22:48,462 5:00, 6:00, whatever your-your request for the last meal, 1532 01:22:48,463 --> 01:22:50,172 they'll bring it in, 1533 01:22:50,173 --> 01:22:54,134 and you'll sit there and eat your last meal. 1534 01:22:54,135 --> 01:22:57,930 During that time, if you need anything else, just ask. 1535 01:22:57,931 --> 01:23:01,767 You know, you need some more juice, punch, 1536 01:23:01,768 --> 01:23:05,604 or whatever else we got back here, just ask. 1537 01:23:05,605 --> 01:23:08,148 You know, and they- you know, 1538 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:10,734 sometimes we get strange requests. 1539 01:23:10,735 --> 01:23:13,487 You know, within reason, l'm gonna get it for you. 1540 01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:15,489 - Give me one of those requests. 1541 01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:17,658 - oh, one was, 1542 01:23:17,659 --> 01:23:19,827 "Man, l'd sure like to smoke a doobie right now." 1543 01:23:19,828 --> 01:23:23,956 Well, that's not gonna happen, you know. 1544 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:27,084 The guy with the key, he opens the door, 1545 01:23:27,085 --> 01:23:28,460 swings the door open. 1546 01:23:28,461 --> 01:23:30,587 There's another correctional officer behind him 1547 01:23:30,588 --> 01:23:32,715 and another one behind me. 1548 01:23:32,716 --> 01:23:35,843 So soon as he does, he follows me in, 1549 01:23:35,844 --> 01:23:37,636 and then the other correctional officers 1550 01:23:37,637 --> 01:23:39,179 follow right in behind him. 1551 01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:41,682 So there'll be two in front of- in front of the inmate, 1552 01:23:41,683 --> 01:23:43,851 and then the other three right behind him. 1553 01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:45,561 l tell him jump up on the gurney, 1554 01:23:45,562 --> 01:23:46,979 which then l automatic- 1555 01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:50,190 - lt's only a few steps from the cell. 1556 01:23:50,191 --> 01:23:55,946 - l would say no more than ten steps, if that much. 1557 01:23:58,491 --> 01:24:00,367 I would immediately go around to the gurney 1558 01:24:00,368 --> 01:24:03,370 'cause l always took care of the left leg. 1559 01:24:03,371 --> 01:24:06,582 So soon as he laid down, I took care of the left leg. 1560 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:09,001 The other person who was in front with me 1561 01:24:09,002 --> 01:24:10,627 would take care of the right. 1562 01:24:10,628 --> 01:24:13,380 The-the three that fell in behind, 1563 01:24:13,381 --> 01:24:16,425 one would take care of the-the right arm. 1564 01:24:16,426 --> 01:24:19,261 The other one would take care of the left arm, 1565 01:24:19,262 --> 01:24:23,223 and the other one would be there in case the inmate, 1566 01:24:23,224 --> 01:24:25,225 once he lays down, 1567 01:24:25,226 --> 01:24:27,853 if he had a response to try to get back up, 1568 01:24:27,854 --> 01:24:31,440 his job was to hold- to hold his shoulders down. 1569 01:24:31,441 --> 01:24:32,858 You know, you're not- 1570 01:24:32,859 --> 01:24:35,110 once you're up there, you're up there, you know. 1571 01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:37,988 Within that time, 1572 01:24:37,989 --> 01:24:40,074 us four people would have him done. 1573 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:41,992 Probably within about 15 seconds, 1574 01:24:41,993 --> 01:24:44,953 he'd be strapped down that quick, 1575 01:24:44,954 --> 01:24:47,081 'cause we all knew exactly where our straps were 1576 01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:48,832 and what we were supposed to do. 1577 01:24:48,833 --> 01:24:53,003 The time. Do-do a process. 1578 01:24:53,004 --> 01:24:54,671 We trained on it. 1579 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,926 It's the last time you're gonna see- 1580 01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,720 l'm gonna see him with his eyes open, 1581 01:25:01,721 --> 01:25:03,347 because after the execution's done 1582 01:25:03,348 --> 01:25:05,474 and the process went 1583 01:25:05,475 --> 01:25:07,810 and then-then they call the doctor in 1584 01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:11,480 to pronounce him dead, 1585 01:25:11,481 --> 01:25:13,107 then everybody leaves. 1586 01:25:13,108 --> 01:25:16,610 My job begins again 'cause I have to go back in there, 1587 01:25:16,611 --> 01:25:19,571 and that's-that's all- 1588 01:25:19,572 --> 01:25:21,740 also kind of difficult 1589 01:25:21,741 --> 01:25:27,037 because here you sit with this individual eight or ten hours, 1590 01:25:27,038 --> 01:25:29,581 all day long, 1591 01:25:29,582 --> 01:25:32,543 and now the last thing you're doing 1592 01:25:32,544 --> 01:25:35,629 is removing those straps. 1593 01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:37,172 The straps have to be removed 1594 01:25:37,173 --> 01:25:40,843 and put him on another gurney for the funeral home. 1595 01:25:40,844 --> 01:25:42,845 And then, you thought- 1596 01:25:42,846 --> 01:25:45,055 you didn't think about none of this 1597 01:25:45,056 --> 01:25:48,058 while you're doing this, the procedure. 1598 01:25:48,059 --> 01:25:51,854 You know, none of this, you're- you don't keep- 1599 01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:54,022 you don't put those emotions out there. 1600 01:25:54,023 --> 01:25:59,736 Do you-you do the job and go home. 1601 01:25:59,737 --> 01:26:04,366 - You did how many executions, roughly? 1602 01:26:04,367 --> 01:26:08,120 - lt was over 125, 120. 1603 01:26:08,121 --> 01:26:09,830 lt was somewhere over 120. 1604 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:11,331 lt was a bunch. 1605 01:26:11,332 --> 01:26:13,792 We got to the point to where, especially after l- 1606 01:26:13,793 --> 01:26:17,171 l think l promoted to captain in '90. 1607 01:26:17,172 --> 01:26:20,591 We were doing two a week, 1608 01:26:20,592 --> 01:26:23,760 and that was getting tiresome. 1609 01:26:23,761 --> 01:26:26,138 - And what happened to you then? 1610 01:26:26,139 --> 01:26:27,764 - [clears throat] 1611 01:26:27,765 --> 01:26:33,270 l-back when they- 1612 01:26:33,271 --> 01:26:35,564 when they brought in Karla Faye, 1613 01:26:35,565 --> 01:26:37,816 l stayed back there with her. 1614 01:26:37,817 --> 01:26:42,821 Now, definitely that was the first female 1615 01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:45,657 that we were fixing to execute. 1616 01:26:45,658 --> 01:26:49,328 l remember one thing so vividly, 1617 01:26:49,329 --> 01:26:52,164 that it was an hour before, 1618 01:26:52,165 --> 01:26:53,540 and l was standing there, 1619 01:26:53,541 --> 01:26:55,209 and the chaplain was standing there, 1620 01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:56,752 and she looked at me, and she goes, 1621 01:26:56,753 --> 01:27:00,756 "Thank you, Captain Allen, for everything you've done." 1622 01:27:00,757 --> 01:27:02,591 l said, "You're welcome." 1623 01:27:02,592 --> 01:27:05,385 You know, that's all l could say, you know. 1624 01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:07,137 What else can- what else am l gonna say? 1625 01:27:07,138 --> 01:27:12,517 What, "I'm fixin' to strap you down in another hour"? 1626 01:27:12,518 --> 01:27:14,102 Which we went- 1627 01:27:14,103 --> 01:27:17,189 procedure and everything went just the way it was supposed to. 1628 01:27:17,190 --> 01:27:19,524 You know, she was pronounced dead. 1629 01:27:19,525 --> 01:27:21,318 l went back in there, and l took the gurn- 1630 01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:22,778 took the straps off, 1631 01:27:22,779 --> 01:27:24,738 put her, you know, on the gurney and that stuff. 1632 01:27:24,739 --> 01:27:27,491 We locked everything up, went about our business, 1633 01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:30,410 and-and everything was fine. 1634 01:27:30,411 --> 01:27:32,079 l had a little shop in the back. 1635 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,207 lt was 6:00, and the news come on over the radio, 1636 01:27:35,208 --> 01:27:36,625 and it started again, 1637 01:27:36,626 --> 01:27:42,256 and for some reason, just out of the blue, 1638 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:48,095 hearing it, it triggered me seeing her hurt, 1639 01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:49,471 and l just started shaking. 1640 01:27:49,472 --> 01:27:51,890 l don't know what's wrong, and then, it was- 1641 01:27:51,891 --> 01:27:53,308 - How badly did you shake? 1642 01:27:53,309 --> 01:27:55,852 - lt was-it was- it was a shake. 1643 01:27:55,853 --> 01:27:57,229 lt was a shake. 1644 01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:59,856 Like, I couldn't- why am l shaking? 1645 01:27:59,857 --> 01:28:01,233 And then l could see my- 1646 01:28:01,234 --> 01:28:05,612 l was sweating and in tears. 1647 01:28:05,613 --> 01:28:09,074 All of a sudden, man, this-this is hurtin'. 1648 01:28:09,075 --> 01:28:11,785 I remembered her- this was two days afterwards. 1649 01:28:11,786 --> 01:28:13,912 l remembered her execution. 1650 01:28:13,913 --> 01:28:15,789 Hers wasn't no different than anybody else, 1651 01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:19,167 but it was hers, 1652 01:28:19,168 --> 01:28:24,881 and then I started actually visualizing the other inmates 1653 01:28:24,882 --> 01:28:29,636 as-you asked me, "Did you look in their eyes when they're"- 1654 01:28:29,637 --> 01:28:31,305 l could see 'em. 1655 01:28:31,306 --> 01:28:34,891 l could actually see 'em in their holding cell again, 1656 01:28:34,892 --> 01:28:37,644 you know, one right after another, 1657 01:28:37,645 --> 01:28:43,108 and it seemed like there was just... 1658 01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:44,860 My wife goes, "What's wrong with you?" 1659 01:28:44,861 --> 01:28:46,320 And l don't know. 1660 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:48,530 l need to talk to somebody. 1661 01:28:48,531 --> 01:28:51,241 And the first person l could think of to call was Carroll, 1662 01:28:51,242 --> 01:28:52,993 Chaplain Pickett, 1663 01:28:52,994 --> 01:28:54,411 and he come over to the house, 1664 01:28:54,412 --> 01:28:59,333 and we sat on that old swing, and l started coming down, 1665 01:28:59,334 --> 01:29:01,168 and I-he says, "What's wrong?" 1666 01:29:01,169 --> 01:29:02,836 And l told him, 1667 01:29:02,837 --> 01:29:04,588 and then l looked at Carroll, and l said, 1668 01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:06,631 "l can't do it no more. 1669 01:29:06,632 --> 01:29:09,509 "That's it. l'm-l'm done. 1670 01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:14,181 I can't-I can't go back there anymore." 1671 01:29:14,182 --> 01:29:18,060 - Could it be that you thought that this was not yourself 1672 01:29:18,061 --> 01:29:23,315 but maybe it was your real self that moment? 1673 01:29:23,316 --> 01:29:25,192 - That's a good possibility. 1674 01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:28,779 - What's really deep inside of you... 1675 01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:30,155 - Yes. 1676 01:29:30,156 --> 01:29:32,949 - Came out. 1677 01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:35,285 - That's a good- that's very- 1678 01:29:35,286 --> 01:29:38,330 I mean, that's- l mean, from that point on, 1679 01:29:38,331 --> 01:29:42,834 l mean, l've had a different outlook in life. 1680 01:29:42,835 --> 01:29:45,712 lf executions was the law, 1681 01:29:45,713 --> 01:29:48,924 then I was gonna make sure that it was done professionally, 1682 01:29:48,925 --> 01:29:51,093 with integrity. 1683 01:29:51,094 --> 01:29:57,557 After Karla-and I was pro-capital punishment. 1684 01:29:57,558 --> 01:30:00,060 After Karla Faye and after all this, 1685 01:30:00,061 --> 01:30:02,521 until this day, 1 1 years later... 1686 01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:07,359 No, sir. 1687 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,028 l don't-nobody has the right to take another life. 1688 01:30:10,029 --> 01:30:14,699 l don't care if it's the law. 1689 01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:17,869 And it's so easy to change the law. 1690 01:30:40,601 --> 01:30:43,061 - l-l don't want to sound, um... 1691 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,233 Like a evil person or- 1692 01:30:48,234 --> 01:30:49,985 but l am so glad l went to the execution. 1693 01:30:49,986 --> 01:30:51,403 l really am. 1694 01:30:51,404 --> 01:30:54,781 I fought with my- with myself about going. 1695 01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:58,910 l reserved this-the seat so l could be there, 1696 01:30:58,911 --> 01:31:00,996 but l'm glad l went. 1697 01:31:00,997 --> 01:31:02,372 l'm really glad l went. 1698 01:31:02,373 --> 01:31:04,916 lt-it really did something to me. 1699 01:31:04,917 --> 01:31:09,421 - Yeah. What did it do? 1700 01:31:09,422 --> 01:31:10,922 - l don't- l don't know what- 1701 01:31:10,923 --> 01:31:13,717 l don't know what happened, 1702 01:31:13,718 --> 01:31:16,261 but I- immediately after the execution, 1703 01:31:16,262 --> 01:31:18,430 l felt like a- 1704 01:31:18,431 --> 01:31:21,725 that saying, a huge weight had been lifted. 1705 01:31:21,726 --> 01:31:24,394 l actually could take a deep breath. 1706 01:31:24,395 --> 01:31:29,691 My heart didn't ache as much. 1707 01:31:29,692 --> 01:31:31,067 l remember walking in 1708 01:31:31,068 --> 01:31:34,112 and thinking, "This looks like a boy." 1709 01:31:34,113 --> 01:31:36,323 l had built this huge monster, 1710 01:31:36,324 --> 01:31:42,662 evil, you know, murdering monster in my head, 1711 01:31:42,663 --> 01:31:44,581 and he was just a boy. 1712 01:31:46,209 --> 01:31:48,460 He was just a boy laying on that gurney. 1713 01:31:57,678 --> 01:32:01,389 When l walked in, he looked at me, 1714 01:32:01,390 --> 01:32:03,934 and he looked away, and he did a double take. 1715 01:32:03,935 --> 01:32:06,144 Same thing Jason Burkett did in court. 1716 01:32:06,145 --> 01:32:07,562 l look like my mom. 1717 01:32:07,563 --> 01:32:09,439 l look a lot like my mother. 1718 01:32:10,733 --> 01:32:12,817 - And what did he say? 1719 01:32:12,818 --> 01:32:14,486 - He forgave us. 1720 01:32:14,487 --> 01:32:16,863 He forgave us. 1721 01:32:16,864 --> 01:32:18,240 Yeah. 1722 01:32:18,241 --> 01:32:20,075 And l was upset when l walked in. 1723 01:32:20,076 --> 01:32:21,952 l was crying. 1724 01:32:21,953 --> 01:32:23,828 You know, our whole- my whole family, 1725 01:32:23,829 --> 01:32:26,831 we didn't want to see someone die, you know. 1726 01:32:26,832 --> 01:32:29,834 No one should have to do- go through that, 1727 01:32:29,835 --> 01:32:33,213 but we were there for my mother, you know, and my brother, 1728 01:32:33,214 --> 01:32:36,258 and we were crying, and when he said he forgave us- 1729 01:32:36,259 --> 01:32:37,634 - For what? 1730 01:32:37,635 --> 01:32:39,844 - For the atrocity brought against him. 1731 01:32:50,147 --> 01:32:53,984 And then he said he's ready to go. 1732 01:32:53,985 --> 01:32:56,820 l heard his mother cry, 1733 01:32:56,821 --> 01:33:01,157 and they gave him the injection. 1734 01:33:01,158 --> 01:33:06,162 He gasped for air four times. 1735 01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:20,802 l watched his shirt thump, 1736 01:33:20,803 --> 01:33:23,179 you know, his heart beating on his shirt. 1737 01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:27,475 l watched it till it stopped, and it stopped at 6:14. 1738 01:33:27,476 --> 01:33:30,353 one tear fell down his eye, one tear. 1739 01:33:31,897 --> 01:33:35,108 And he was gone, and it was over. 1740 01:33:41,198 --> 01:33:43,575 - And the prospect of someone 1741 01:33:43,576 --> 01:33:46,536 who is gonna be locked away for life without parole, 1742 01:33:46,537 --> 01:33:47,996 would that satisfy- 1743 01:33:47,997 --> 01:33:49,456 - Definitely. - Yes. 1744 01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:50,874 - Definitely. 1745 01:33:50,875 --> 01:33:55,462 - So it would be definitely an alternative, 1746 01:33:55,463 --> 01:33:58,673 because death penalty sounds a little bit too much 1747 01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:01,384 like old Testament, the wrath of God. 1748 01:34:01,385 --> 01:34:02,761 - An eye for an eye. 1749 01:34:02,762 --> 01:34:06,431 - Jesus probably would not have been an advocate of- 1750 01:34:06,432 --> 01:34:07,891 - Probably not. 1751 01:34:07,892 --> 01:34:10,226 Probably not. 1752 01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:13,730 But some people just don't deserve to live. 1753 01:34:16,609 --> 01:34:18,860 - Can l say something? - Please. 1754 01:34:18,861 --> 01:34:20,945 - l know on July the 1st is when they- 1755 01:34:20,946 --> 01:34:25,116 they executed Michael, 1756 01:34:25,117 --> 01:34:28,745 and-and l knew Michael pretty well. 1757 01:34:28,746 --> 01:34:30,121 - Yeah. 1758 01:34:30,122 --> 01:34:31,498 - And l kept up with- 1759 01:34:31,499 --> 01:34:34,167 l have every kind of clipping and website thing 1760 01:34:34,168 --> 01:34:35,919 l have on him and Jason. 1761 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,254 l have, like, a whole locker box full. 1762 01:34:38,255 --> 01:34:41,591 So l know as much about him as anybody, 1763 01:34:41,592 --> 01:34:44,928 and Michael was just- just like Jason. 1764 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:47,055 They were both young, 1765 01:34:47,056 --> 01:34:50,016 and whatever they did or didn't do, l don't know. 1766 01:34:50,017 --> 01:34:53,520 l was not there, but Michael was just a- 1767 01:34:53,521 --> 01:34:59,317 was just a young-a young kid, and l know he- 1768 01:34:59,318 --> 01:35:02,946 l know when they executed him, I know how he- 1769 01:35:02,947 --> 01:35:07,242 l know his last words and everything else, 1770 01:35:07,243 --> 01:35:13,498 and I know, by executing Michael, 1771 01:35:13,499 --> 01:35:16,334 l don't think it brought any of those people back, 1772 01:35:16,335 --> 01:35:18,628 and I don't think it deterred anything. 1773 01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:20,839 l-l don't think it deterred anybody out there. 1774 01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,467 As much publicized as it was, it did not deter anything, 1775 01:35:24,468 --> 01:35:26,886 and l really do not believe that it solved anything 1776 01:35:26,887 --> 01:35:31,224 by taking another life, and it hurt me. 1777 01:35:31,225 --> 01:35:33,476 When it come time for his execution, 1778 01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:36,438 l knew it was gonna be about 6:00, 1779 01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,940 usually a few minutes after 6:00 P.M., 1780 01:35:38,941 --> 01:35:43,570 and I was on my knees at my bunk for Michael, 1781 01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:45,989 praying for Michael, 1782 01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:49,492 and a feeling come over me 1783 01:35:49,493 --> 01:35:52,620 right about ten- five or ten minutes after 6:00, 1784 01:35:52,621 --> 01:35:55,290 a feeling come over me that's hard- 1785 01:35:55,291 --> 01:35:56,875 very, very hard to explain. 1786 01:35:56,876 --> 01:36:00,545 lt was like l felt the loss of- 1787 01:36:00,546 --> 01:36:03,673 ofwhat used to be my son's best friend. 1788 01:36:03,674 --> 01:36:06,050 I felt- l felt that. 1789 01:36:06,051 --> 01:36:09,637 I felt that pain whenever they killed him. 1790 01:36:12,141 --> 01:36:13,516 But l just wish those fam- 1791 01:36:13,517 --> 01:36:15,351 the family members would know that, 1792 01:36:15,352 --> 01:36:19,564 how much that l-l hurt for their loss. 1793 01:36:19,565 --> 01:36:21,858 That's very important, and Michael never, never- 1794 01:36:21,859 --> 01:36:23,276 that's what upset them, 1795 01:36:23,277 --> 01:36:26,154 'cause Michael never tried to reach out to 'em. 1796 01:36:26,155 --> 01:36:28,239 I wished I could and say l'm sorry. 1797 01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,491 - Yeah. 1798 01:37:40,062 --> 01:37:42,188 Melyssa, let me address one thing. 1799 01:37:42,189 --> 01:37:44,941 Among death row inmates, 1800 01:37:44,942 --> 01:37:49,737 there's such a phenomenon like death row groupies, 1801 01:37:49,738 --> 01:37:55,243 the same way rock stars have groupies, 1802 01:37:55,244 --> 01:37:57,078 and you have seen women like that. 1803 01:37:57,079 --> 01:37:59,080 - l have seen women like that, in fairness. 1804 01:37:59,081 --> 01:38:01,583 l've also seen women who are married to death row inmates 1805 01:38:01,584 --> 01:38:04,627 in truly committed relationships 1806 01:38:04,628 --> 01:38:07,255 that I believe are not disingenuous 1807 01:38:07,256 --> 01:38:09,757 and I believe come from their heart. 1808 01:38:09,758 --> 01:38:12,093 You know, some people are just supposed to be together, 1809 01:38:12,094 --> 01:38:15,138 whether there's a cage and lawman between you. 1810 01:38:15,139 --> 01:38:16,556 l believe that. 1811 01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,932 l mean, l do believe that 1812 01:38:17,933 --> 01:38:20,101 there's a fair amount of women who want attention, 1813 01:38:20,102 --> 01:38:23,813 who want media coverage, who seek out infamous men. 1814 01:38:23,814 --> 01:38:26,274 l mean, like Scott Peterson gets a hundred letters a day 1815 01:38:26,275 --> 01:38:27,650 on death row in California. 1816 01:38:27,651 --> 01:38:29,027 That's ridiculous. 1817 01:38:29,028 --> 01:38:30,445 - He murdered his pregnant wife. 1818 01:38:30,446 --> 01:38:31,821 - Yes. 1819 01:38:31,822 --> 01:38:34,115 - ls that correct, that case? Yeah, a good-looking man. 1820 01:38:34,116 --> 01:38:35,491 - Good-looking man. 1821 01:38:35,492 --> 01:38:40,330 - However, Jason is not an ugly man either. 1822 01:38:40,331 --> 01:38:42,457 Describe him to us, please. 1823 01:38:42,458 --> 01:38:45,043 - Like, physically? - Yes. 1824 01:38:45,044 --> 01:38:47,545 You only have touched his hand. 1825 01:38:47,546 --> 01:38:49,505 Describe his hands to us. 1826 01:38:52,343 --> 01:38:53,843 - They're a lot bigger than mine. 1827 01:38:53,844 --> 01:38:56,304 l'll start there. l have really tiny hands. 1828 01:38:56,305 --> 01:38:58,973 He always-Jason, he holds hands funny, 1829 01:38:58,974 --> 01:39:01,434 and he always holds my hand kind of like that 1830 01:39:01,435 --> 01:39:05,396 as opposed to intertwined, so he holds on to me, 1831 01:39:05,397 --> 01:39:08,066 and l just know that his hands are massive, 1832 01:39:08,067 --> 01:39:11,069 because he wears a ring size 1 1. 1833 01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:14,530 our wedding rings, it's an 1 1 1/2, 1834 01:39:14,531 --> 01:39:18,534 and I wear a 4, so he can totally cup my hand. 1835 01:39:22,498 --> 01:39:24,832 - Were you allowed to touch each other? 1836 01:39:24,833 --> 01:39:26,459 Hug each other? 1837 01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:28,127 Exchange rings? 1838 01:39:28,128 --> 01:39:31,506 - No. 1839 01:39:31,507 --> 01:39:33,633 l still can't get a ring. 1840 01:39:33,634 --> 01:39:37,220 - And you were separated by a glass wall or- 1841 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:39,013 - Just like this right here, 1842 01:39:39,014 --> 01:39:40,723 except for we had a phone, 1843 01:39:40,724 --> 01:39:44,435 and it was solid right here, solid glass. 1844 01:39:44,436 --> 01:39:47,689 - But when she comes for visits, are you allowed to hug her? 1845 01:39:47,690 --> 01:39:49,273 - l am now. 1846 01:39:49,274 --> 01:39:51,234 After we married, l'm allowed to hug her. 1847 01:39:51,235 --> 01:39:54,696 l'm allowed to give her a kiss before and after visit. 1848 01:39:54,697 --> 01:39:56,572 We're allowed to hold hands on the table 1849 01:39:56,573 --> 01:39:58,199 and have contact and speak. 1850 01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,703 - But of course-of course with a guard present. 1851 01:40:01,704 --> 01:40:04,539 - As close as you are to me. 1852 01:40:04,540 --> 01:40:06,416 - And you would like to have children. 1853 01:40:06,417 --> 01:40:07,792 - Yes, sir. 1854 01:40:07,793 --> 01:40:10,003 - How would that happen? 1855 01:40:10,004 --> 01:40:12,380 How-what sort of option is there? 1856 01:40:12,381 --> 01:40:14,590 - l want 50 children. She wants 2. 1857 01:40:14,591 --> 01:40:17,427 So, I mean, we have to work on this. 1858 01:40:17,428 --> 01:40:20,680 l want children for different reasons. 1859 01:40:20,681 --> 01:40:23,975 I want children with her specifically because l love her. 1860 01:40:23,976 --> 01:40:25,476 l want to be with her. 1861 01:40:25,477 --> 01:40:30,898 I want to give her something that she'll always have with me. 1862 01:40:30,899 --> 01:40:32,942 - l'm under the impression seeing you now 1863 01:40:32,943 --> 01:40:37,405 that you became pregnant only a few days 1864 01:40:37,406 --> 01:40:41,242 after we met your husband. 1865 01:40:41,243 --> 01:40:43,953 - You guys met him on the 18th of october? 1866 01:40:43,954 --> 01:40:45,788 - l think so, yeah, something like that. 1867 01:40:45,789 --> 01:40:48,416 - Yeah, l believe my baby was made 1868 01:40:48,417 --> 01:40:51,461 on the 23rd of october, approximately. 1869 01:40:51,462 --> 01:40:52,962 - Right after we saw your husband. 1870 01:40:52,963 --> 01:40:56,299 - 23rd or 24th. 1871 01:40:56,300 --> 01:40:59,302 - You went into action. 1872 01:40:59,303 --> 01:41:03,431 - [laughs] So to speak. 1873 01:41:03,432 --> 01:41:07,393 - And the father of the baby is your husband. 1874 01:41:07,394 --> 01:41:09,937 - Legally, will be Jason, yes. 1875 01:41:09,938 --> 01:41:13,232 - And it is Jason biologically, legally... 1876 01:41:13,233 --> 01:41:16,152 - I can't say that. - ln every single sense. 1877 01:41:16,153 --> 01:41:20,907 Since you are not allowed to do more than touching hands, 1878 01:41:20,908 --> 01:41:24,243 how do you become pregnant? 1879 01:41:24,244 --> 01:41:25,787 There's a mystery. 1880 01:41:25,788 --> 01:41:27,789 - Yeah, it's kind of a mystery. 1881 01:41:27,790 --> 01:41:30,625 There's people involved that l don't want to mention. 1882 01:41:30,626 --> 01:41:34,462 - No, we would not imply anyone, 1883 01:41:34,463 --> 01:41:37,465 but l have to speculate. 1884 01:41:37,466 --> 01:41:43,346 Is there such a thing like contraband entering prisons, 1885 01:41:43,347 --> 01:41:48,559 like, let's say, drugs, cell phones, illegal messages, 1886 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,896 there seems to be something the other way round, 1887 01:41:51,897 --> 01:41:56,234 contraband from the prison to the outside, 1888 01:41:56,235 --> 01:41:58,361 and you became pregnant. 1889 01:41:58,362 --> 01:41:59,737 - Well, we- 1890 01:41:59,738 --> 01:42:01,197 - Can we formulate it like this? 1891 01:42:01,198 --> 01:42:05,701 - We-we prefer to say that l was artificially inseminated. 1892 01:42:17,923 --> 01:42:21,592 - Do you have a name for the boy? 1893 01:42:21,593 --> 01:42:23,928 - Well, we've- we came up with Easton. 1894 01:42:23,929 --> 01:42:26,681 Easton Aaron. 1895 01:42:26,682 --> 01:42:28,683 - Can you show us? l think there's a face. 1896 01:42:28,684 --> 01:42:31,352 Can you point it out? - It's right there. 1897 01:42:31,353 --> 01:42:34,689 lf you actually can see it close enough, 1898 01:42:34,690 --> 01:42:37,650 you can tell my baby has my strong jaw. 1899 01:42:51,206 --> 01:42:53,374 You live on through your children, 1900 01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:55,543 and the love that you put into them 1901 01:42:55,544 --> 01:42:57,628 projects to the world. 1902 01:42:57,629 --> 01:42:59,005 My parents are both gone, 1903 01:42:59,006 --> 01:43:00,673 and l had this big hole in my heart, 1904 01:43:00,674 --> 01:43:03,718 and I realized that what you do is, 1905 01:43:03,719 --> 01:43:07,680 you take all of that love, and you give it back. 1906 01:43:09,558 --> 01:43:12,101 l mean, nothing else matters. 1907 01:43:43,091 --> 01:43:47,136 - l actually have this shirt tacked up on my wall. 1908 01:43:47,137 --> 01:43:49,931 - Can l see the shirt? Can you turn it around? 1909 01:43:54,728 --> 01:43:59,190 - I just make sure- and somebody told me about the- 1910 01:43:59,191 --> 01:44:01,359 the live your dash, 1911 01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,737 and that's really, after all this- 1912 01:44:04,738 --> 01:44:06,656 that l went through and quit and everything, 1913 01:44:06,657 --> 01:44:10,409 then I heard the story telling me live your dash. 1914 01:44:10,410 --> 01:44:12,870 How do you-how are you gonna live your dash? 1915 01:44:12,871 --> 01:44:14,247 And l didn't understand. 1916 01:44:14,248 --> 01:44:15,831 "What are you talking about 'dash'?" 1917 01:44:15,832 --> 01:44:18,251 lt's on your tombstone. 1918 01:44:18,252 --> 01:44:20,378 You got your birth date, 1919 01:44:20,379 --> 01:44:22,546 and you got the day that you decease, 1920 01:44:22,547 --> 01:44:24,382 and you got that little dash in the middle. 1921 01:44:24,383 --> 01:44:26,968 That's your life right there. 1922 01:44:26,969 --> 01:44:29,303 That's your- that's everything between 1923 01:44:29,304 --> 01:44:31,639 from the time you was born from the time you die. 1924 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,766 How are you gonna live your dash? 1925 01:44:33,767 --> 01:44:35,893 And that's where l'm at now. 1926 01:44:35,894 --> 01:44:40,648 I'm gonna live my dash and make sure that everything, 1927 01:44:40,649 --> 01:44:45,069 try to make everything right for the family, everybody. 1928 01:44:45,070 --> 01:44:49,699 Hold still and watch the birds. 1929 01:44:49,700 --> 01:44:53,077 And you know, once you get up into your life like that 1930 01:44:53,078 --> 01:44:55,955 and once you feel good about your life, 1931 01:44:55,956 --> 01:45:00,376 you under-you do start watching what the birds do, you know, 1932 01:45:00,377 --> 01:45:02,545 what the ducks are doing, like, the hummingbirds. 1933 01:45:02,546 --> 01:45:04,839 Wow, there's so many of them. 140523

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