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MAN: When you run out of money
and you don't have a job
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and bills are coming in...
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and you're not just thinking
about yourself.
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You're thinking
about next year, five years,
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the weight of the world
is on your shoulders.
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I don't think he wanted
to go back to boxing.
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In George Foreman's first
heavyweight career, it was all attack.
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COMMENTATOR:
Thunderous right hand. Boom!
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On the forehead! Bang!
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MAN 2: And shocking violence.
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He was not a guy
you wanted to get hit by.
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I mean, he did demolition jobs
on most of the opponents.
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He hit me so hard.
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He busted me open. The eye bone
came through my eye from the inside out.
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(CROWD SHOUTS)
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LARRY MERCHANT: George was a tornado
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that blew through
the heavyweight division...
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And then it was gone.
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REPORTER: The clock will not go back.
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That is not a fact, what you're saying.
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I can become heavyweight champion
of the world if I want to in any age.
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Now he's conning himself. He cannot
separate the fantasy and the reality.
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Boxing smart money says
George Foreman's comeback is a fraud.
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COMMENT AT OR:
Left, right, left by Holyfield.
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What do they want?
To kill this man? It's over.
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You gotta realize
I'm closer to 50 than I am to 20.
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Some sceptics think
that this is just ridiculous.
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Foreman is just too old.
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People just don't come back
after ten years
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and perform
at the highest levels of their craft.
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He has gone from being spectacular
to becoming a spectacle.
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COMMENT ATOR: And now let's see,
is George Foreman for real
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or is this the farce
that many critics have said it will be?
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One time, we were getting ready
to go to the Houston Rockets game
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to see Ralph Sampson in his rookie year
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and, um, there were some jeans
on the bed
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that I was supposed to put on
to go to the game.
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I didn't wanna put them on. They were
kind of worn. Had a little hole in them.
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And I said, "You know what?
I don't wanna look poor."
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My father said, "Excuse me? Poor?"
He said... We didn't go to the game.
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He said, "Let me show you poor,"
and he drove me to Fifth Ward.
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(noes BARK)
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RALPH COOPER: The Fifth Ward was known
as the Bloody Fifth Ward.
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It was known
for people getting hurt, killed.
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I thought the neighborhood which I grew
up in, Sunnyside, was a rough place,
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but it was nothing in my opinion
like the Fifth Ward.
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FOREMAN". Growing up in Houston,
Fifth Ward,
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I'd learned
to be sort of an adventurer.
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A bad boy, so to speak.
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I'd run the streets,
got into a lot of trouble.
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Ended up dropping out of high school.
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And so I didn't have
much of a life at all.
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COOPER: He was not a nice guy.
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He was one of several individuals
across Houston
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that had reputations that were bad.
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One of his coaches, he felt George
could have been an NFL football player.
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He was trying to get him
to do the right thing,
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stop doing the street thing,
the robbing thing.
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(SIREN WAILS)
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FOREMAN: I was mugging a guy one night
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and the police started to mount up
on me and catch me.
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I had to run from the police,
crawl under the house to hide
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and I thought the dogs would get me.
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I hide myself.
I covered myself with mud.
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(DOG BARKS)
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I crawled from under that house
that night saying,
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"I-I'm not gonna be like this."
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And it just so happened Jimmy Brown
did a commercial for the Job Corps.
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Said, "If you want that extra chance
at life, join the Job Corps."
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I got one more chance at it.
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VOKZEOVER: One phase of
the anti-poverty program gets underway
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as the first of 25,000
Job Corps trainees arrive at camp.
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This center adjoins...
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FOREMAN: I took the opportunity.
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Said, "The sad thing,
you'll have to leave home."
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I-I didn't know about that.
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But I convinced my mom
and told her what it was all about.
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She says she would sign.
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She welcomed my leaving
my current environment.
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Joining the Job Corps
changed every aspect of my life.
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I got interested in all things. Some
education, learning to read and write.
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I had, for the first time in my life,
three meals in one day.
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Got into a lot of trouble
in the Job Corps.
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And I didn't want to, but
I just had this old habit of fighting.
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And one of the kids said,
"George, you think you're so tough."
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"Why don't you become a boxer?"
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(GRUNTS)
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I wanted to prove that I was tough
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and I thought one day
I'd get these golden gloves
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and then go home to Houston, Texas,
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and be the most outstanding
street fighter that ever lived.
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That's all I thought about.
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A lot of people think, 17 years old,
that's kind of late to start boxing,
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but Doc Broadus believed in me.
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All he said, "if you stop fighting
in the streets and acting a clown,
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you can become
an Olympic gold medalist."
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LAMPLEY: My first memory
of George Foreman is, I think
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the first memory of most Americans
who were alive in 1968
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and that's walking around the ring
with the little American flags
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after his gold medal bout
in Mexico City.
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FOREMAN:
Well, the highlight of my athletic life
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was to win that Olympic gold medal,
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to stand on that platform, listening to
your national anthem in the background.
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Nothing has come close to that moment.
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For the first time, I was a teenager,
I had a dream come true.
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(CROWD CHEERS, APPLAUDS)
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I'd like to show you guys my gold medal.
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- Real gold for the champ.
- (APPLAUSE)
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FOREMAN: I was rescued from the gutter
by way of the United States government.
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Lyndon Johnson started an anti-poverty
program that really rescued me,
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gave me a chance to get an education.
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So I became more than patriotic.
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I-I started
to love the country, really.
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COOPER: You could see how proud he was
when he went to the White House
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and took pictures with Lyndon Baines
Johnson, President Johnson.
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I thought that was a great thing.
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A guy coming from Fifth Ward
with that kind of reputation
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and now he's in the White House?
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Shaking hands with the President?
President.
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REPORTER: When are you going pro?
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I got a lot of work to do first
before I turn pro.
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I intend about three months maybe,
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but when I do start
I'm going all the way up.
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What do you mean by all the way up?
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All the way up to the heavyweight
championship of the world, for real.
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- How long do you think it'll take?
- (CHEERING, APPLAUSE)
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FOREMAN:
There's an emotional journey you take
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while trying to be
heavyweight champ of the world.
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Probably a grand time in my life
was the first time I met Muhammad Ali.
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It was in a boxing gym in Miami.
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Give me some gloves.
I gotta whoop my little brother now.
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FOREMAN: He said, "George, once you
become champion of the world,
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this is what you're gonna get."
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I thought, "What an exciting moment." He
said, "Stay right here. I'll be back."
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And he ran down the stairs
and stayed for a few moments.
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He came back
and all the time I was thinking,
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"He's gonna bring back a briefcase
filled with money."
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He came back, there was a briefcase
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and I thought, "it's gotta be filled
with thousands of dollars."
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And he opened up the briefcase
and it was a telephone.
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(CHUCKLES)
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Right then I started to believe
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and think he believes I'm gonna be
champion of the world too.
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REPORTER: Dick, how tough
has the opposition been for George?
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Well, George has had
very tough opposition
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because each fight
has been with an individual
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that had far greater experience
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and more pro fights than George has.
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So each fight is...
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Well, travelling through the country,
boxing everyone,
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Sadler would scout everyone
and tell me, "This guy's got no chin."
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"This guy's got no jab. This guy's
got this... He's absent of this,"
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and I'd believe him
and knock those guys out.
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COMMENT AT 0R:
Foreman's dynamite power in both hands
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is making him the scourge
of the heavyweight division.
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George Foreman
is now the number one contender
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for the heavyweight championship,
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and the question is who's going to stop
this Foreman steamroller?
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FOREMAN". But then, with Joe Frazier,
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I'd followed his career
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from the time he had won the title
from Buster Mathis.
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This guy, we've seen him devastate
everyone in the heavyweight division.
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I was there when he put his head on the
chest of Muhammad Ali and just turned.
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He conquered him.
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COMMENTATOR: Time is important here.
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(CROWD CHEERS)
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Joe Frazier was
a terrific heavyweight champion
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and most people
didn't give Foreman a chance
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based on the quality of the opponents
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he'd fought prior to that.
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I thought he had a chance, but now,
you're talking about Joe Frazier now.
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FOREMAN: I want the people in all the
parts of the world to see this fight.
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I don't think you'd be interested in
coming to see two friends shake hands.
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Joe Frazier and me
will declare war on that day
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and that's... that's definitely.
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You gotta look those guys in the eyes,
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stare them right in the eye, let them
know that, "Hey, I'm not backing up."
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Generally, when a guy is getting
a little nervous he'll drop his head
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and I was hoping Joe Frazier wouldn't
because he'd see my knees shaking.
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Joe Frazier was a dangerous man.
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And for the first time
I was actually afraid.
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The first man I was afraid of.
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COMMENT AT OR:
We may have an interesting evening.
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Frazier quite understandably
the favorite.
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Foreman comes out,
punching with the right.
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Frazier in his usual style.
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Smokin' is the way he puts it.
His job, to get inside.
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His best weapon, the left hook.
Foreman is vulnerable to the hook.
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FOREMAN: He misses me with a left hook
and it was like a fire, a gun. Pow!
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And I felt the power.
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COMMENT AT OR:
Oh, Foreman connected, as you saw.
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He's getting into Frazier's head.
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I think he hurt Joe Frazier.
I think Joe is hurt.
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Angie Dundee, Ali's trainer right next
to me, is saying it. You may hear him.
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Down goes Frazier!
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The heavyweight champion
is taking the mandatory eight-count
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and Foreman is as poised
as can be in a neutral corner.
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FOREMAN". When I got the first
knockdown, I said, "Unreal! Unreal!"
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COMMENTATOR: You see the countdown
for the first round.
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Foreman has not panicked.
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Foreman is going about his job.
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Foreman is all over Joe Frazier.
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Frazier is down again!
He doesn't know where he is.
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Now the round is about to end.
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Frazier's knees buckled.
He is... he is down!
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He is down!
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Three times in the first round
by George Foreman.
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He is all over Frazier again.
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A quick left hook, another!
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Frazier is down for the fifth time
in this fight!
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It's target practice
for George Foreman.
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It is target practice.
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Frazier is ready to go again!
Joe is standing.
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There he goes. The fight is stopped
and it's over in the second round.
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George Foreman is the heavyweight
champion of the world!
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They're carrying George Foreman.
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They're carrying George Foreman on
their shoulders right out of the ring!
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FOREMAN: And to be
heavyweight champion of the world,
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as soon as it happens to you,
it's like, uh, John L Sullivan,
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uh, Braddock, Joe Louis,
Rocky Marciano, Muham...
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It's like they all just pour
right into you and you feel...
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That moment? You feel, I am
the heavyweight champion of the world.
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Nothing like it.
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(CROWD CHEERS)
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It's a great day for me, having
the police escort me for a change.
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Normally when I hear those sirens,
I was running.
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You see that sign says,
"Sadler for mayor"? I'm for that too!
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(CROWD CHEERS)
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FOREMAN: You become someone else.
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It's not like you graduated into this.
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All... There's a whole
other personality and you are it.
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The champ. The champ.
The champ. The champ.
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And I'd like to thank everybody.
Thank you for your support.
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(CROWD CHEERS)
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(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
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This is the real power, though.
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(LAUGHTER)
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FOREMAN: You've become
heavyweight champion of the world.
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The dream has come true
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and there's no one alive
who can tell you what it's all about.
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You gotta make all the mistakes.
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I'm the champion of the whole world.
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I was just sitting down
writing a note to myself.
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I'm the champion of the whole world.
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FOREMAN: Fame was not my problem,
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but the confidence
of being champion of the world,
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that was something
I'd never experienced in my life.
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Uh, meeting Sonny Liston,
oh, what a thrill that was.
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I got a taste of what a heavyweight
championship would mean to me.
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It would be about buying things
and people admiring you.
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I loved that.
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And, of course,
people being afraid of you.
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Everything he did, I'd try to imitate.
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He was mean. I said, "I'm gonna
show them how to be mean."
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If he would come to me, I'd kill him.
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If he run,
I'm gonna catch him and kill him.
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We're looking forward to a great fight.
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I know that I'll be trying
to knock this man's head off.
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When I first met him,
he was young and he was nice
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and within a year or so,
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he became one of the most surly people
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that I ever met.
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I later learned that he was mimicking
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his great idol, Sonny Liston,
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who also was a surly, nasty guy.
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The little boy that I really enjoyed
from the Olympics
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disappeared into this man
who wanted to knock everyone out.
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(SINGING IN AFRICAN LANGUAGE)
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TRAMPLER:
When Foreman signed to fight in Zaire
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against Muhammad Ali,
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I felt bad for Ali.
I-l honestly...
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Great as he was,
I said, "This guy's gonna get hurt."
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ALI: How many fellas in here now
picks George? Be truthful. Be men.
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Tell the truth.
John, raise your hand.
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(CROWD LAUGHS)
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TRAMPLER:
I remember watching that fight
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in the ABC offices with Howard Cosell
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and Cosell,
the hour before the fight happened,
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was telling everybody
what a disgrace it was
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because Muhammad Ali,
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who had meant so much,
was going to be hurt seriously.
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I remember that
as if it happened yesterday.
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REPORTER: The time may have come
to say goodbye to Muhammad Ali
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because very honestly I don't think
he can beat George Foreman.
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JIM BROWN: I met George when
I was assigned to the fight in Zaire
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and the network wanted me
to get with George and spar.
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And George came in and I never saw
anybody pound a heavy bag
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as hard as he pounded that bag.
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So right away I told the producers
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there's no chance
that I'm gonna let this guy
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hit me in my ribs and break my ribs.
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I told Ali...
"This man hits like a mule."
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"You know, he's got a great body.
He's big and he's strong."
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"I don't know how you're gonna do it,
you know?"
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(CROWD CHANTS)
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FOREMAN: In Africa,
I saw him maybe once passing by.
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The next time was in the ring.
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And I remember his meeting me
in the middle of the ring and he said,
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"George, when I fought Sonny Liston,
you were just in high school. "
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"You don't belong here."
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And I almost laughed
and I was mean at that time
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because I never spent one day
in high school.
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(CHUCKLES)
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COMMENTATOR:
Ali quickly across the round.
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TRAMPLER: During the first few rounds
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I'm watching Foreman
whack them to the body.
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Just really punishing blows.
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And I said, "Poor Ali. This..."
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This... He didn't deserve this.
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COMMENTATOR: George Foreman
backing Ali into the ropes.
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That's a vicious left. Oh!
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First round I tried to knock him out
because the reporters said
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he shouldn't last two rounds
with George.
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So I said, "In two rounds
I'm gonna cream him."
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COMMENTATOR:
Ali is taking some punishment.
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Three rounds,
rather than get a little conservative,
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I tried to knock him out in the third
found and the fourth and the fifth.
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About the sixth round
I realize there's something going on.
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I'm not gonna be able
to knock this guy out.
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COMMENTATOR: This is the furthest
that George Foreman has gone
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in a fight since 1972.
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He was looking for the homerun.
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The homerun never came,
so you, boom, the big shots.
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And when you throw a big shot, it takes
a lot out of you if you don't hit a guy.
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ARUM: I initially believed
that what I had feared was taking place
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because Ali, instead of boxing Foreman,
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went to the ropes
and did the rope-a-dope,
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but Ali's plan, as we know now,
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was to tire George out.
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COMMENTATOR: Ali sits back in
the ropes and tells Foreman to come in.
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Nobody could imagine
that kind of strategy,
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much less execute it,
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except for one man in the world,
Muhammad Ali.
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FOREMAN: About the seventh round
I thought I'd hit him with a good shot
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and he said,
"Is that all you got, George?"
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And I remember thinking
not only is he talking crazy,
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but his voice is stronger now
than in the earlier round.
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COMMENTATOR: A sneaky right hand.
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Another sneaky right hand. This time
he works over the shoulder of Foreman.
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(CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS)
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COMMENTATOR: Three, four, five.
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Foreman just stopped... Eight.
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That's it. The fight is stopped!
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Muhammad Ali,
a dramatic eighth-round knockout.
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COMMENTATOR: Look at that face.
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A man who can scarcely believe
what has happened to him.
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FOREMAN: I had lost my most precious
heavyweight championship of the world.
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That I remember like it was yesterday.
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Hello there. How you doing?
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One day I'd come through all of the
guys in the skycaps in Meacham Airport
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and they were afraid
to look you in the eye.
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They were like, "That's the champ."
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And the next day
you're going out to the same airport
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and these guys
are patting you on the shoulder,
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"Oh, you'll get a second chance.
You'll get another chance."
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From pride to pity.
Devastation like I've never felt.
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Well, now, uh, I'm very anxious
and I would...
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I'm trem... I'm hoping with all my might
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that I'll get a chance
to fight the man again
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because for a fact,
I didn't do 100% of what I could do.
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It's a hard thing to live with,
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losing something
like the championship of the world.
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I'd have fight that fight most nights...
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and I'd be winning, winning, winning,
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then I'd get knocked down
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and by the time I jump up,
I wake up out of the dream again.
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I could not win that fight,
not even in my dreams.
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This time, this man, you know,
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got me to the point where I just
distaste his prevalence in boxing.
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I really wanna beat him,
more than anything in the world.
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Oh, that became the thing.
That became an obsession.
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FOREMAN: This is the first time
I wanted to beat somebody.
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I've never felt like this before.
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REPORTER: Do you think Ali's backing
down from another meeting with you?
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There's no telling what he's doing.
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I would love a rematch.
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What really developed more
was no more just anger,
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I even had hate for Muhammad Ali.
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(CROWD CHANTS)
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And I don't know if you've heard,
if you've heard of this story.
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They were filming the movie
The Greatest here.
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Sure enough,
George shows up down there.
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Ali asked him
what was he doing down there.
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He said, "I've been trying to find you.
I want a rematch."
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You beat me before I get some sense.
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You ain't got no sense...
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COOPER: And George gets...
climbs up into the ring
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and they get their (INDISTINCT) on
and stuff
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and some things was said
that I can't repeat on this program.
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And George made some threats
about blanking Ali's behind.
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Chairs started flying.
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(CROWD SHOUTS)
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The police that were down there
finally got him out of the building.
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FOREMAN:
I was fueled by a lot of anger.
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And I walked around with that
for years.
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DON KING: Don King and video techniques,
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bringing you new, innovative
and imaginative ideas in boxing.
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COOPER: As a confidence boost,
one of the biggest mistakes he made
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was when he decided
to do the five-guy thing.
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He fought these five guys, supposed
to do three rounds with each guy.
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And some of them...
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You and I could have knocked them out
if we'd had fought them.
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00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:44,867
How do you condition yourself
for going up against five guys?
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00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,112
How can you possibly train
for a fight like this?
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I do the normal things,
running up the hills.
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00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:51,657
Uh, then I've got a program now
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where I pick up my actual
500- and 600-pound steers,
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put them on my back
and walk up hills with them.
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00:24:56,787 --> 00:24:59,461
That's been the newest thing
that I've added to my repertoire.
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00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,710
And I'm gonna let five fresh guys
come in, three rounds each.
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If either one of them beat me,
I'll retire. I'm through with boxing.
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(BELL muss)
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COMMENTATOR: The bell for round one.
Quickly to ring center.
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I think George was looking for a way
to move forward,
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get rid of the loss in Zaire
and go forward from there.
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00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:25,654
Maybe losing was too much
for him to absorb.
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COSELL:
Even those closest to George Foreman
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have been concerned that he's not been
the same man ever since Ali beat him.
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BROWN: The humiliation.
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The fact that you can no longer
have this bravado.
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Just being humbled in the worst way.
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00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:49,132
Uh, it's reaching down
and becoming real with yourself.
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COSELL: What is happening there?
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Foreman is not himself.
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00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,183
He's going after the kid again.
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Needlessly, for no reason!
He's beaten.
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00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,693
This is an absurd scene.
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00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,938
Now there's gonna be a fight
between the trainers.
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00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:05,986
Totally out of control.
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00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:11,112
MERCHANT: Do I think that, that George
was operating from some kind of script
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to set up a rematch?
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00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:14,786
Sure, that's possible.
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00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:18,912
But you can't do all of those things
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00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:22,540
and it's all fiction.
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00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:27,215
It has to come from some real place
deep within you to execute that.
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00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:28,462
(CROWD BOOS)
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COSELL: Look at him walking around,
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looking at the fans who are booing him.
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00:26:34,218 --> 00:26:38,268
This has to be a downright ugly scene.
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BROWN: That fight in Zaire
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put him through
a lot of soul-searching days
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where he had to deal
with making decisions on who he was.
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00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:02,751
COOPER:
He signs for a fight with Ron Lyle.
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00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:04,965
I don't know
if you've ever seen this fight.
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The fight starts. Bam!
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Knockdowns everywhere.
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COMMENTATOR: He's in big trouble!
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COOPER: What happened was
he came out trying to box
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and he got hit upside the chin
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and the boxing skills,
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the late Gil Clancy,
who was a teacher, had taught him,
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they went out to the wind.
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COMMENT AT 0R:
...lands a big left hook...
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COOPER:
And the fight became a street fight.
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They knuckled down the other way.
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COMMENTATOR: What a round
of boxing this is! Big left hook!
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A third, fourth...
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(INDISTINCT COMMENTARY)
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00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:42,370
Can he get this drawn?
460
00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,964
George is staggering now.
George is hit with a vicious left hook.
461
00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:48,004
Inside of ten seconds to go.
462
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,423
And George is ready to go,
believe it or not.
463
00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:51,966
There it is!
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He drops the champion!
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FOREMAN: I remember him hitting me
so hard and I'm on the floor thinking,
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"What excuses have you got now?"
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00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,438
Cos I remember thinking
the ropes were loose in Africa,
468
00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:09,105
someone put something in my water.
I had all kind of excuses.
469
00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:11,774
This time, couldn't think of an excuse.
470
00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:13,446
I had to get up.
471
00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,992
COMMENTATOR: George gets up. This is one
of the great rounds of all time.
472
00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,457
FOREMAN: And I remember thinking,
"Before I lose,
473
00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,042
I'll die."
474
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,207
"So he's gonna have to kill me tonight."
475
00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:29,758
I'd never felt that before.
476
00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:33,337
I'll die first.
477
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,052
(CROWD CHEERS)
478
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,768
(BELL muss)
479
00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:50,608
COOPER: Now, he's maybe a step or two
away from a championship fight...
480
00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:55,944
and he decides to take a fight
with Jimmy Young.
481
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,408
FOREMAN: I'm back number one
contender of the world
482
00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:07,003
and commissions were saying, "Look,
if George Foreman fights Jimmy Young,
483
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,543
the winner of that fight,
if George wins,
484
00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:12,214
we're gonna demand Ali fight Foreman
485
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,132
or he's gonna be
stripped of his title."
486
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:20,892
This arena may have had
a ceiling fan or two in it.
487
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:23,512
No air conditioner. And it was hot.
488
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:25,352
(BELL muss)
489
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,566
I was drenched
when the fight was over myself.
490
00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:30,983
COMMENTATOR: To begin round one,
scheduled for 12.
491
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,698
TRAMPLER: I was in Puerto Rico
when he fought Jimmy Young.
492
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:36,738
COMMENTATOR: Foreman is staggered.
493
00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,781
TRAMPLER: He got dropped in the fight.
494
00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,740
It was a bad style for him.
495
00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:46,334
A smart boxer, a guy who could move.
496
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:47,623
(BELL muss)
497
00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:50,293
(CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS)
498
00:29:50,414 --> 00:29:54,294
FOREMAN: Going to a decision,
Jimmy Young had won that boxing match.
499
00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,007
All I can remember that night
is I was tired.
500
00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:03,477
That was the most heat
I'd ever felt in my life.
501
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,767
I went back to my dressing room
and then I went on the trip of my life,
502
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:11,893
fighting for my life
in the dressing room.
503
00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:13,737
I was gonna die.
504
00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:18,025
Right in my thoughts I heard,
"Why you afraid to die?"
505
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,743
I was scared.
506
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,285
I was gonna die
in a stupid, nasty dressing room
507
00:30:23,405 --> 00:30:25,078
that didn't even have air conditioning.
508
00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,793
I had all these homes
and I tried to make a deal.
509
00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:31,504
I said, "I'm still George Foreman."
510
00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:34,090
"I can box and I can give money
to charity and cancer."
511
00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:38,508
And I heard a voice within me say,
"I don't want your money. I want you."
512
00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:42,804
I remember a tear came.
I was like, "Oh, death?"
513
00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,393
My leg gave out on me and I said,
"Hey, y'all, I'm fixing it."
514
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,066
Before I could say another word,
I was dead.
515
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,441
Over my head, under my feet,
around me was nothing.
516
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:03,321
Just a horrible old smell of death
and I was in this dump yard of nothing.
517
00:31:03,445 --> 00:31:05,664
TRAMPLER:
I had guys on the undercard that day
518
00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:09,456
and I went into the dressing room and
I heard the shouting and the commotion
519
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:12,750
and it was a sight you'll never forget.
520
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,168
It just...
521
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:19,341
I mean, I actually ran out of the room
because I was so concerned about George.
522
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,510
I started screaming,
"Jesus Christ is coming alive in me."
523
00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:26,306
Boy, they put the tomahawk
and full-nelson on me trying to hold me
524
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,269
because I'd taken off my clothes.
525
00:31:28,387 --> 00:31:29,934
I said, "I gotta go tell the world!"
526
00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,604
I guess they were saying,
"Put some clothes on, George."
527
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,352
I followed eight men to get
into a shower and started screaming,
528
00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:37,946
"Hallelujah, I'm clean!
Hallelujah, I'm born again!"
529
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,907
They finally strapped me down,
held me down on the table
530
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,571
and I started reciting the Bible.
531
00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:47,289
I kissed everyone in the room, told them
I loved them. I just couldn't stop.
532
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,917
COOPER: I was outside the locker room.
533
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,038
I didn't know
what was going on in that room,
534
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:57,632
but he went through something
for about an hour at least,
535
00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:00,844
in the dressing room with all
the screaming and hollering going on.
536
00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,588
I said, "Wait! Don't let Jesus go!"
537
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:04,385
Cos I know he was going.
538
00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:08,306
Finally, I said, "Now go to my father
which is in heaven." Boom!
539
00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,772
And I was left in this dressing room
just as embarrassed.
540
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:16,481
I said, "You witnessed a miracle
and you're not gonna believe it."
541
00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:20,731
That happened to me and for ten years
I didn't even make a fist.
542
00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:22,574
I didn't shadowbox, I didn't box.
543
00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,989
I left it and became an evangelist
544
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,704
with the Church
of the Lord Jesus Christ.
545
00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:31,041
FOREMAN SINGS:
♪ We are climbing
546
00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:38,003
♪ Jacob's ladder
547
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:42,256
♪ We are climbing
548
00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:47,804
♪ Yes, Jacob's ladder a'
549
00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:50,973
FOREMAN: Everyone thought I was crazy.
Everyone.
550
00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:52,562
And I just couldn't box any more.
551
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,477
I'd go to the gym originally
552
00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:58,819
and that punching bag was Muhammad Ali
and Joe Frazier, Ken Norton.
553
00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:01,984
I went in there it was just rag,
piece of leather,
554
00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,528
and it wasn't anybody any more
and I couldn't do that.
555
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,322
I just stopped boxing.
556
00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:09,663
Even my mom thought I was crazy.
557
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:11,406
She said, "Our families were saying
558
00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:14,000
we need to put George
in a rest home, you know."
559
00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,672
COOPER: He cut his hairstyle.
560
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,919
He changed his wearing of clothes.
561
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,509
And then this happened.
He started giving away stuff.
562
00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:33,805
He was giving away cars,
big-screen TVs, furniture, everything.
563
00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:36,182
And for ten years
he didn't watch television.
564
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,527
FOREMAN JR: He used
to tell us about the cars he had
565
00:33:41,645 --> 00:33:45,366
and tell us about the homes
he had in Beverly Hills
566
00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:48,235
and River Oaks in Houston,
567
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,331
but I'd never seen them and I thought
he was telling us about a fairy tale.
568
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:57,043
COOPER: He went from 220 or whatever,
230 at that time,
569
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,583
all the way up to 300 pounds.
570
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,456
And people laughed at him
571
00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,717
and criticized him,
called him all kind of names.
572
00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:12,555
BROWN: Well, I went to his home
573
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:16,142
and there were
some tremendous changes in his life.
574
00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:21,019
That's the night
that I got knocked out in Africa.
575
00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,271
And that's to remind me
that God had mercy on me.
576
00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:27,570
BROWN: One of the beautiful things
that he did is he acknowledged
577
00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:31,362
the ability of Muhammad Ali
and acknowledged that loss
578
00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:35,036
and put a shrine up in his home
579
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,750
and gave Ali
all the credit in the world.
580
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,416
This is the proof
that I was in the fight with him.
581
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:43,381
He punched me right on the eye.
(LAUGHS)
582
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:47,844
BROWN: I hadn't had an athlete
that could accept defeat
583
00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:52,091
and recognize the greatness
of another man the way he did.
584
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,843
In the world, I-l actually hated him.
585
00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,938
And today, he's like one of my children,
to be honest with you.
586
00:34:58,054 --> 00:35:00,477
I talk with him all the time.
I love him now.
587
00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,986
I'd found me. Really found myself.
588
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:09,074
And I was ordained an evangelist
at the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
589
00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:13,070
And from that point on,
I was the preacher.
590
00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:16,873
To be honest with you,
I didn't think that was truly God.
591
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,914
All the people I'd seen gravitate
to that were poor people,
592
00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:21,287
broken-hearted people.
593
00:35:21,411 --> 00:35:24,711
You see someone's husband leave them,
then they have a Bible or some guy
594
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:28,131
come out of jail after so many years,
he has a Bible.
595
00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:30,674
I said, "That's not me."
Or broke people.
596
00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:32,263
I didn't believe in religion.
597
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,725
My mom said, "Oh, Lord," but I thought
that was cos she was broke all the time.
598
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:40,598
In my life, I had not been sold
on anything, boxing or anything,
599
00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:42,474
but once I found my religion,
600
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:47,446
I was sold and I started to talk
and it was about keeping me quiet then.
601
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:48,939
(CHUCKLES)
602
00:35:49,064 --> 00:35:51,738
Jesus! Jesus!
603
00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:55,579
I put down boxing and everything
that had to do with boxing,
604
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,665
so that people
could learn about Jesus Christ.
605
00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:01,456
TRAMPLER: One day I was
with some friends and they said,
606
00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,045
"There's George Foreman
preaching on the corner."
607
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,210
And I-l didn't go up and say anything.
608
00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:12,088
I actually was a little uncomfortable
that he was in that position.
609
00:36:12,212 --> 00:36:13,805
God is a wake-up artist.
610
00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:17,555
When God say you got to move,
you got to move!
611
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,230
BROWN: I'm not really like
a guy that wants to be baptized.
612
00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:24,315
Anything like that.
613
00:36:24,432 --> 00:36:30,235
But I had so much respect for him,
I decided I would let him baptize me.
614
00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,574
And I'm so happy that I did that...
615
00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:39,828
because he proved to be everything
that a man should be after that.
616
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,920
LAMPLEY: There's a moment somewhere in
there when George has kind of epiphany
617
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:49,132
and says to himself,
"I'm not really a mean-spirited SOB."
618
00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:50,671
"That's not me."
619
00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:54,046
Now I can't understand
how another man would ball up his fist
620
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,844
and put on gloves and try
and knock another man unconscious.
621
00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:59,764
I just can't see it.
I don't understand how I did it.
622
00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,306
I couldn't do that again.
623
00:37:01,428 --> 00:37:03,522
(CHOIR SINGS AMAZING GRACE)
624
00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:09,319
FOREMAN: There's a Bible scripture
and it goes like this.
625
00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:13,407
"Let your light so shine before men
626
00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:15,446
that they may see your good works
627
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,411
and glorify your father,
which is in heaven."
628
00:37:18,528 --> 00:37:22,123
What I try to do now is...
Talk is cheap.
629
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,913
It's all living.
630
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,252
And maybe by my life,
they can see the light.
631
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:28,463
(CHOIR SINGS AMAZING GRACE)
632
00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:48,521
This is where it all started
and finished with me and boxing.
633
00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:51,690
This is the last ring I worked out in.
634
00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:54,781
It was constructive for me, so to speak.
635
00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:58,277
And then hopefully it'll be the home
of another George Foreman.
636
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:09,163
There were some kids that their parents
wanted me to help them with boxing
637
00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:13,008
and get them in the ring and get them
off the streets, the mothers did.
638
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:14,842
That prompt me to take my life savings,
639
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,303
start the George Foreman
Youth and Community Center,
640
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,797
along with my brother, Roy.
641
00:38:18,922 --> 00:38:23,052
I started a hangout, never a sermon,
just a hangout with them.
642
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:25,016
And it doesn't matter
what people think,
643
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:28,561
so long as I don't drop
that baton Lyndon Johnson gave me,
644
00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:31,184
1965,
when he pulled me out of the gutter,
645
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,186
and it didn't matter
what people thought.
646
00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,860
He said, "I'm going to help
George Foreman and guys like him."
647
00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:39,484
FOREMAN JR: When he opened
the George Foreman Youth Centre,
648
00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:41,407
he was happy going to do that every day.
649
00:38:41,528 --> 00:38:44,077
I mean, really, I would get in,
jump in the car with him
650
00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,121
and he was motivated to go
to the Youth Center and work with kids.
651
00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,711
Doing a good evangelistic work
was one thing,
652
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:53,708
but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't
lose the reach on the young kids,
653
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,802
and I had to find a happy medium
where I could meet up with these kids
654
00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,795
and not push any religion on them.
655
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,012
Just try to get...
656
00:39:00,129 --> 00:39:02,848
Get yourself together,
your mind and your body.
657
00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:06,095
Then you'll find if kids start
thinking about themselves in that area,
658
00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:07,892
they start taking care of their soul.
659
00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:17,613
The Youth Center
started to take every dime I could get,
660
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:19,607
and I started
speaking around the country
661
00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,325
to support the Youth Center.
662
00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:24,321
Once, one of the preachers
who had me and hosted me said,
663
00:39:24,445 --> 00:39:27,073
"We're gonna raise money
for George Foreman and his kids,"
664
00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:28,575
and I stayed there for three days.
665
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:34,423
And as he was raising money, the people
looking at me behind the pulpit.
666
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:38,169
He said, "This isn't enough money!
Surely we can help George more."
667
00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,546
I never felt so ashamed in my life.
668
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,889
FOREMAN JR: He was used to being rich
and taking care of things
669
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:48,728
and he didn't have that any more.
670
00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:53,016
That's what made him
really start thinking
671
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:57,817
about how he could keep that open
and make a future,
672
00:39:57,937 --> 00:40:01,032
not only for the kids
at the Youth Center, but his family.
673
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,164
FOREMAN:
And I remember saying right there,
674
00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:11,034
"I'll never ask anyone for money again."
675
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,379
"I'm gonna be heavyweight champion.
That's how I'll get my money."
676
00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:20,302
I went to my wife
and told her, "Look..."
677
00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:25,136
"I just... I've run out of money.
I'm gonna have to go back into boxing."
678
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,975
She pleaded, "Don't do it.
They're gonna kill you, George."
679
00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:29,469
"You're not that guy anymore."
680
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,520
And I even brought my kids around
and told them.
681
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,444
Of course when your father says,
"I'm gonna come back to boxing
682
00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:40,984
and be the heavyweight champion
of the world,"
683
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,483
you say, "OK, Dad."
684
00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:49,115
But I'd never seen him skip rope,
never seen him put on any boxing trunks,
685
00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:53,493
never seen him hit the bag,
never seen him do anything like that.
686
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:57,668
FOREMAN:
First thing I did was get on the scale.
687
00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,917
315 pounds.
688
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,591
I said, "Oh, no," so I thought,
"I need better scales." (LAUGHS)
689
00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:08,140
FOREMAN JR". The early days of training
690
00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,181
before he started
putting a lot of miles jogging,
691
00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:15,682
he would walk and I would see him
walk around the backyard,
692
00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:20,779
walk around the track,
and use pennies to count his laps.
693
00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:26,238
FOREMAN: Then I made an announcement
to my friends I was coming back.
694
00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:27,576
The newspaper got a hold to it
695
00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:31,369
and they start talking about me
as bad as they could.
696
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,207
What are you making of George Foreman?
697
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,999
It's a living advertisement
for why boxing should be abolished.
698
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,589
People just don't come back
after ten years
699
00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:42,755
and perform
at the highest levels of their craft.
700
00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:46,345
He has gone from being spectacular
to becoming a spectacle.
701
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,229
COOPER: They thought it was a joke.
They thought he was just a big joke.
702
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:58,395
And that he would flop
and fall flat on his face.
703
00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:03,146
Tomorrow night veteran boxer
George Foreman will put on the gloves
704
00:42:03,271 --> 00:42:07,242
and climb back into the ring
after almost a decade in retirement.
705
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,827
Some sceptics
think that this is just ridiculous.
706
00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:11,787
Foreman is just too old.
707
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,743
FOREMAN JR:
When he was in Sacramento, California
708
00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:22,125
and he fought a gentleman
named Steve Zouski, I believe,
709
00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:25,752
and he was in the ring
and he had his shirt off.
710
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,881
I don't remember seeing my father
with his shirt off before,
711
00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:31,975
so he took that shirt off
and that was a big deal.
712
00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,388
And he was throwing punches.
713
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:37,855
I had never seen
my actual father throwing punches.
714
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,896
COMMENTATOR: The basic questions
about Foreman's comeback.
715
00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:43,861
His age, at around 40.
716
00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,322
FOREMAN:
I had to start from the bottom.
717
00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:49,033
COMMENT AT OR:
And also the quality of his opponents.
718
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:51,073
FOREMAN:
The minor leagues all over again.
719
00:42:51,194 --> 00:42:53,993
I was back in the back of the bus.
(CHUCKLES)
720
00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:56,912
COMMENTATOR: The inactivity.
He was out for ten years.
721
00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:01,209
COOPER:
He started off fighting you and I.
722
00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,128
Guys like you and I
nobody never heard of.
723
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:07,969
COMMENT AT OR:
He started the comeback at 325 pounds.
724
00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,175
FOREMAN:
I knew I wouldn't be able to take up
725
00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,219
where I'd left off ten years ago.
726
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:15,970
I was not as fast any more
because of the extra weight.
727
00:43:16,094 --> 00:43:19,018
I would have to change my style.
728
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:24,395
COMMENTATOR: And George Foreman
is now 11 for 11 in his comeback bid.
729
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,773
REPORTER: Boxing smart money says
George Foreman's comeback is a fraud,
730
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:31,944
that flattening one palooka after
another is little more than flim-flam.
731
00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:35,910
FERDIE PACHECO: He fought 19 people
732
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,125
that were what we call
in the parlance of boxing, dead men.
733
00:43:39,242 --> 00:43:42,872
"Stiffs" is another word.
"Tomato cans" is another word.
734
00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:46,086
What they mean is they were
not opponents that would fight back.
735
00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:49,086
They were opponents
that were there to get knocked out.
736
00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:52,388
FOREMAN: I kept boxing. City to city.
737
00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:55,759
Every reporter would take a shot at me.
"George is this..."
738
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:58,511
And they'd come out
and give me long pieces too.
739
00:43:58,636 --> 00:43:59,888
"He'll never do it."
740
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,606
And they just take up the paper
criticizing me.
741
00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:07,236
In the same time,
they were making me all famous again.
742
00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:19,867
ARUM: I had heard
that he had had a couple of fights...
743
00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:24,207
and out of the blue
I got a call from him
744
00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:26,797
and he wanted me to promote him,
745
00:44:27,832 --> 00:44:30,756
but I remembered
the old George Foreman.
746
00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,676
And I told him that I had no interest
747
00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:37,141
in subjecting myself
to that kind of person.
748
00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:43,265
He says, "Look, I'm getting on a plane
and I'm coming to see you anyway."
749
00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:47,727
And he sits down
and starts talking to me.
750
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:51,106
I sort of scratched my head and I said,
751
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:55,781
"This is the best con man
that I had ever, ever met,"
752
00:44:55,902 --> 00:45:02,581
because he was respectful,
he was nice, he was intelligent.
753
00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:06,292
And I said, you know,
"He's, he's putting me on,"
754
00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:08,915
which is the most amazing thing
755
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,259
because the new George Foreman
756
00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:13,753
turned out to be
the real George Foreman.
757
00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:20,264
Without further ado, the Chairman
of the Board of Top Rank, Bob Arum.
758
00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:22,011
(APPLAUSE)
759
00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:23,388
Thank you.
760
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,691
Ladies and gentlemen,
thank you very much for coming.
761
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:33,440
This press conference is to announce the
fight that everybody is talking about,
762
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:39,446
the preacher, George Foreman,
against the puncher, Gerry Cooney.
763
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,368
That fight, I was nervous.
764
00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:43,583
Gerry Cooney was a big guy
765
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,326
and had a heavy punch.
766
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,257
EVANDER HOLYHELD: Now he finally got
somebody whose arms is longer than his.
767
00:45:51,374 --> 00:45:54,423
He's not the peak guy no more.
768
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:59,390
What happens when a man
fight somebody his size?
769
00:45:59,507 --> 00:46:01,601
- (BELL DINGS)
- COMMENTATOR: Here we go!
770
00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:06,681
COONEY: I thought I was gonna win.
771
00:46:06,806 --> 00:46:07,978
(LAUGHS)
772
00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:11,694
But, you know, some days you get the
eggs and some days you get the shells.
773
00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:16,445
COMMENTATOR: Oh! And look
at the left come up and slice right.
774
00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:19,990
And Gerry Cooney's in big trouble.
He's ready to go!
775
00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,658
And there he goes!
776
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,703
ANNOUNCER: Two! Three! Four!
777
00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,451
COMMENTATOR: And he is badly hurt!
778
00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,169
TRAMPLER: That was like
George's coming-out party.
779
00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:34,384
I'm back, I'm a legitimate contender,
and, Holyfield, you're in trouble.
780
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,344
And I'm like, "Wow. You know what?"
781
00:46:37,461 --> 00:46:40,340
"He is slow, but it do connect."
782
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,558
COMMENTATOR: Oh! And that's it!
783
00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:44,598
And I don't think... This fight's over.
784
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,266
HOLYFIELD: Boom!
785
00:46:46,387 --> 00:46:48,389
That was it! Folded good!
786
00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:51,684
COMMENTATOR: George Foreman...
787
00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:57,653
makes believers of some,
definitely of Gerry Cooney.
788
00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,784
LAMPLEY: It wasn't just a knockout.
It was an easy knockout.
789
00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:08,205
And that raised eyebrows and
that got the public starting to think,
790
00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:11,546
"Oh, you know,
he's still George Foreman."
791
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:14,791
"He still has
that unbelievable punching power,
792
00:47:14,915 --> 00:47:16,167
even though he's got a belly
793
00:47:16,292 --> 00:47:18,841
and he looks like he's shambling
around in his pajamas."
794
00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:21,055
"He's, he's still got something."
795
00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,511
HOLYHELD: At that time I was
the heavyweight champion of the world
796
00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:30,936
and I was like, "You had your time,
but it's my time now."
797
00:47:31,057 --> 00:47:34,732
COMMENTATOR: And we have a new
heavyweight champion of the world,
798
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,354
Evander Holyfield.
799
00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:38,106
In my estimation, Evander Holyfield
800
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:42,076
could be one of the three
greatest heavyweights that ever lived.
801
00:47:42,193 --> 00:47:44,992
Here's a guy
who's light heavyweight champion,
802
00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:49,000
cruiserweight champion,
heavyweight champion of the world.
803
00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,620
COMMENTATOR:
Down goes McDonagh through the ropes!
804
00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:55,749
WEPNER: I mean, this guy
makes no mistakes in the ring.
805
00:47:58,417 --> 00:48:01,296
FOREMAN: He was champion of the world.
He needed lots of money.
806
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:05,095
And the only one who had done publicity
enough was George Foreman.
807
00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,968
I'm just a big old baby boomer
808
00:48:07,093 --> 00:48:09,721
and I'm gonna lower a boom
on that baby, Evander Holyfield.
809
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:10,809
MAN: George Foreman.
810
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,184
Mr. Foreman,
if you think you're gonna beat me,
811
00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:15,560
you off of your rocker.
812
00:48:15,684 --> 00:48:19,814
MAN: Evander Holyfield.
April 19th live from Trump Plaza, TVKO.
813
00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:23,318
ARUM: From then on
it was like a real wild ride
814
00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:28,573
because the, the press was on his case,
815
00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:32,372
A, because
he was relatively old for a fighter,
816
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,336
you know, hadn't fought in 10 years,
817
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:36,956
and, B, he was a little heavy.
818
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,083
Heavyweight contender George Foreman
819
00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:41,927
who was born with a fork in his hand
and a smile on his face...
820
00:48:42,044 --> 00:48:45,264
One of the fighters takes
that description "heavyweight"
821
00:48:45,381 --> 00:48:46,473
very seriously.
822
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,013
REPORTER:
The clock will not go back.
823
00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,263
That is not a fact, what you're saying.
824
00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,857
The fact is I can become heavyweight
champion if I want to at any age.
825
00:48:54,974 --> 00:48:58,069
We talked about the age thing
826
00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:01,689
and that's when he came up with the idea
827
00:49:01,814 --> 00:49:05,660
that age is just a number
and it really doesn't mean anything.
828
00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:10,373
When I knock him out, there'll be
no if, ands and buts about it.
829
00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:12,662
The age of 40
is not a death sentence after all.
830
00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:15,832
My mama always taught me
to respect my elder.
831
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,751
- (CROWD LAUGHS)
- But...
832
00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:23,253
ARUM: But he was very sensitive
with people making fun of his weight
833
00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:27,427
and I said, "George, we're gonna
play this for all it's worth."
834
00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:32,019
So at the press conference
I had the waiters at the hotel
835
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,972
with platters of hamburgers come in
836
00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:37,475
and that picture went all over.
837
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,652
The fight would have never been
what it came out to be
838
00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:44,819
if it wasn't for George.
839
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:48,911
The preaching really helped me
because I'd learned to sell.
840
00:49:49,028 --> 00:49:51,122
FOREMAN:
When I get in the ring with Holyfield,
841
00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:56,290
you're gonna see a guy closer to 50
than he is to... to 20
842
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,629
jump in the ring,
843
00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:01,499
too big for the title belt
to fit around his waist.
844
00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:03,626
(CROWD LAUGHS)
845
00:50:03,751 --> 00:50:05,970
FOREMAN:
I'd get on the television, for a second
846
00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:08,805
and I'd look at the camera and say,
"Yeah, they say I'm 40."
847
00:50:08,923 --> 00:50:12,097
"Yes, they say I'm 50, but I'm gonna
show you, it's not a death sentence."
848
00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:15,313
"I can be the heavyweight
champion of the world." Boom!
849
00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:20,060
Finally, they start giving me
ten second, 20 second, then 30 seconds.
850
00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:22,812
HOLYHELD: People loved him!
851
00:50:22,937 --> 00:50:25,986
He made all his fame work.
852
00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:30,657
And, you know, at that time it was
the biggest payday they ever had,
853
00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,247
in boxing, because of George.
854
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:38,621
There was 15 million cable homes
855
00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:42,544
that could buy the fight
on Pay-Per-View
856
00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:46,545
and we sold a 1,500,000 homes.
857
00:50:46,669 --> 00:50:52,347
10%, a little over 10%, which
nobody's ever done before or since.
858
00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:55,515
I'm gonna be the next heavyweight
champion of the world. It's my destiny.
859
00:50:55,636 --> 00:50:57,183
Nobody can stop me.
860
00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,398
I'm not the best fighter in the world,
861
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,769
but I've got something that
every fighter needs, the third punch.
862
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:04,895
If I throw
and miss you with my left, boom,
863
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,149
and miss you with my right, boom,
then I'll belly-bump you.
864
00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:10,026
(CROWD LAUGHS, APPLAUDS)
865
00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:14,989
FOREMAN JR: I remember him holding up
a big tray of hamburgers
866
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:17,208
and say that he was gonna
eat Baskin Robbins
867
00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,201
and he was gonna belly-bump him.
868
00:51:19,368 --> 00:51:23,794
And I was thinking, "Whoa, I think
you better take this guy serious."
869
00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,838
COMMENTATOR:
And now, to enter the ring first,
870
00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:31,635
the unlikely central figure
in this six-month comic opera,
871
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,974
which is about
to become a savage drama.
872
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,513
George Foreman.
873
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,393
And of course
you have to differentiate and say,
874
00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:42,357
"This is serious, the fight, George."
875
00:51:42,474 --> 00:51:43,942
I had to keep telling myself that
876
00:51:44,059 --> 00:51:48,280
because I'd done so much
promotional work for this boxing match.
877
00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:52,402
And of course I'd put myself
on the scale of all these kids
878
00:51:52,526 --> 00:51:53,994
watching me and friends.
879
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:55,909
I couldn't be this angry old guy.
880
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:59,500
I had to learn how to win
without any trace of anger.
881
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:02,540
ANNOUNCER:
It's the battle of the ages.
882
00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:06,757
Twelve rounds of boxing for the
heavyweight championship of the world.
883
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,297
FOREMAN: The night of that Holyfield
fight was a scary moment for me
884
00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:15,140
because they all looked over...
It was Muhammad Ali.
885
00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:18,261
Here's the guy
who had dethroned me all those years.
886
00:52:18,385 --> 00:52:20,479
(CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS)
887
00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:27,436
He walked over and whispered,
888
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,360
"Oh, you're gonna be champ,
you're gonna be champ."
889
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,705
And still there was enough skepticism
890
00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:39,823
that there weren't many people
on the ground
891
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:45,000
who really expected that George could be
competitive against Evander Holyfield.
892
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,624
April 9, 1991, Atlantic City.
That was when the...
893
00:52:48,749 --> 00:52:54,301
That was when the, the comeback
took on an entirely different character.
894
00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:56,344
COMMENTATOR: And now let's see.
895
00:52:56,465 --> 00:52:58,593
ls George Foreman for real
896
00:52:58,717 --> 00:53:02,972
or is this the farce
that many critics have said it will be?
897
00:53:05,182 --> 00:53:08,857
Budding left hand from Foreman
and Holyfield backs onto the ropes.
898
00:53:08,977 --> 00:53:10,650
Crowd gets excited.
899
00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,909
Power to the body from Foreman.
900
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,778
Holyfield not as resolute
all of a sudden.
901
00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:20,364
Closing stages of round two
902
00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:23,117
and Evander
is suddenly much more careful.
903
00:53:23,242 --> 00:53:26,917
Now you're watching that and suddenly
you realize this is a serious fight.
904
00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:28,505
This is a very serious fight.
905
00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:32,502
And Foreman has a chance against
the heavyweight champion of the world.
906
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:38,050
COMMENTATOR: Right hand
on the surface of Holyfield's head
907
00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:40,676
and he's momentarily stunned.
908
00:53:40,801 --> 00:53:43,350
Now he steps back up inside.
909
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,143
But if there were any remaining doubts
910
00:53:45,264 --> 00:53:47,562
about the legitimacy
of George's chances,
911
00:53:47,683 --> 00:53:50,778
he may have erased them
in the last 30 seconds.
912
00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:52,521
(BELL muss)
913
00:53:52,646 --> 00:53:54,944
(CROWD CHEERS)
914
00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:01,872
I never in my whole career fought nobody
that was stronger than George.
915
00:54:03,157 --> 00:54:05,410
George caught me one time in that fight
916
00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,413
and I thought he knocked
all my teeth out.
917
00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:10,539
And I go back to the corner.
918
00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:13,042
I said, "Did he knock all my teeth out?"
Like this.
919
00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:14,589
They said, "Everything is OK."
920
00:54:16,128 --> 00:54:18,551
There wasn't a fighter
that I can't push back.
921
00:54:18,672 --> 00:54:20,640
I couldn't push George at all.
922
00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:23,432
And so all right, you know,
I realize that, "OK, then,
923
00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,476
but I got these other skills
that he don't have."
924
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,559
COMMENTATOR:
But in the closing minute of the round,
925
00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:30,935
George landed those gloves
926
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:34,154
and now Evander
seems anxious to set things right.
927
00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:38,275
Left, right, left by Holyfield!
928
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,949
And a left and a right
and Foreman's in serious trouble.
929
00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:43,037
Another left hook and a right!
930
00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,250
FOREMAN JR: Now, seeing my father
get hit with 21 straight punches?
931
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:48,334
COMMENTATOR: Will George go down?
932
00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:50,079
FOREMAN JR: You don't wanna see that.
933
00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:55,426
But all he taught us was,
"Keep fighting, keep fighting."
934
00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:01,052
COMMENTATOR: A lobbing right hand
and Holyfield grabs and holds on.
935
00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,050
George still with some shock.
936
00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:10,315
FOREMAN JR: The last thing I remember
was Holyfield holding my father,
937
00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:13,060
while my father was still
trying to give that last punch.
938
00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,985
HOLYHELD: When it came to that,
the last round that everybody said,
939
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,199
"Why did you hold the old man?"
940
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,911
I said, "But I won 11 rounds.
I wasn't gonna let him."
941
00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:27,283
"Is it mean for me to hold him?"
I was gonna hold him that last round.
942
00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:30,752
I wasn't gonna let... You gonna have
one good round and you gonna win?
943
00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:34,043
No. No, listen. Not with me.
944
00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,541
(CROWD CHEERS)
945
00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:38,715
COMMENT AT OR:
And the crowd is up on its feet.
946
00:55:38,836 --> 00:55:42,136
And then the crowd standing
947
00:55:42,256 --> 00:55:44,975
and giving him an ovation
and really cheering.
948
00:55:45,092 --> 00:55:48,266
ANNOUNCER:
The winner by unanimous decision
949
00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:53,689
and still undisputed
heavyweight champion of the world,
950
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:59,907
the real deal, Evander Holyfield.
951
00:56:02,568 --> 00:56:05,447
FOREMAN JR:
And that's when I knew, you know what?
952
00:56:05,571 --> 00:56:08,745
He might have lost the fight,
but he won that night.
953
00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:14,330
You know we've got a big show this week.
We've got a special guest.
954
00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:15,546
A very special guest.
955
00:56:15,664 --> 00:56:19,339
The former and maybe future
heavyweight champion of the world.
956
00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:23,805
Let's bring him out here, Mr. More Power
himself, George Foreman. Yeah!
957
00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:25,924
(AUDIENCE CHEERS)
958
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,972
FOREMAN JR". The first time I noticed
959
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:31,142
that his fame and profile
was really getting noticed
960
00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,684
was when he was
on a Nike Bo Jackson commercial.
961
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:42,657
FOREMAN JR:
As a kid, "Bo knows" was everything.
962
00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:47,371
And then there was a George Foreman
and Bo Jackson commercial
963
00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:48,864
and it said "George knows".
964
00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:50,366
Hit it!
965
00:56:53,076 --> 00:56:55,625
I thought, "Wow! He's famous."
966
00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:58,875
I am not going
to pay a lot for this muffler!
967
00:56:58,999 --> 00:57:01,548
By George, I think he's got it!
968
00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:03,170
FOREMAN: Endorsements came in.
969
00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:05,923
So many things came in
970
00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:09,177
and it soaked up my life.
I enjoyed that part of it. I really did.
971
00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:16,689
LAMPLEY: You can go a long way
in America if the smile looks genuine.
972
00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:19,152
And George's smile is for real.
973
00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:22,864
FOREMAN: I did a commercial once.
It was Doritos.
974
00:57:22,981 --> 00:57:27,703
I never eat Doritos. I'm in the room.
They had them out there with dips.
975
00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:29,863
I started eating those things.
976
00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:33,367
I'd eat so many bags of those things.
977
00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,618
I love those things.
978
00:57:34,743 --> 00:57:38,873
Then they started shooting
the commercial. Who could deny Doritos?
979
00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:42,342
George, how many pounds away
are we from 225 pounds?
980
00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:43,836
Uh, not that far away.
981
00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,931
If I look a little heavy, it's that
camera. The camera adds pounds.
982
00:57:47,047 --> 00:57:49,015
It does it to all of us.
No question about it.
983
00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:51,806
And now we're looking
for a brand-new expert commentator.
984
00:57:51,927 --> 00:57:56,478
Well, there's no bigger public figure
in the sport at that moment than George.
985
00:57:56,598 --> 00:58:00,068
It was an obvious choice.
986
00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:03,564
But I could tell that there were
gonna be some challenges there.
987
00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:07,159
Larry, you and George,
I'm told, have been known to disagree.
988
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:08,868
What do you think of all this?
989
00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:11,535
He had, it seemed
like a kind of ingrained habit,
990
00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:14,283
that if, if Larry and I
said the sky was blue,
991
00:58:14,408 --> 00:58:17,252
George was gonna say, "I'm not so sure."
992
00:58:17,369 --> 00:58:19,542
"Uh, doesn't necessarily
look blue to me."
993
00:58:19,663 --> 00:58:21,540
"I'm not sure
why you guys think it's blue.
994
00:58:21,665 --> 00:58:23,713
I mean, that was
just the way he was thinking.
995
00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:25,962
MERCHANT:
You think these guys are champions?
996
00:58:26,086 --> 00:58:28,714
- FOREMAN: They fought like champions.
- MERCHANT: You do?
997
00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:31,342
You and I couldn't disagree more
about that, George.
998
00:58:31,466 --> 00:58:33,889
But you don't know boxing, Larry.
You just see boxing.
999
00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:35,809
Well, George, I know I wasn't
1000
00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:38,978
the heavyweight
champion of the world, like you,
1001
00:58:39,099 --> 00:58:41,443
but I think
I've watched a lot of boxing.
1002
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,905
He and George became
a kind of frick and frack, you know,
1003
00:58:45,022 --> 00:58:46,695
constantly arguing with each other.
1004
00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:49,910
- You cannot be serious.
- (LAUGHS)
1005
00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:51,620
LAMPLEY: But we became popular.
1006
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:56,413
We became popular as a threesome
partially because of the disagreements,
1007
00:58:56,533 --> 00:59:00,379
partially because George
was just so endearing, so charming.
1008
00:59:01,455 --> 00:59:04,299
- I'm George Junior.
- I'm George Foreman Ill.
1009
00:59:04,458 --> 00:59:06,085
I'm George Foreman IV.
1010
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,258
MERCHANT: The fact
that he named all of his children
1011
00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:12,929
as George or Georgettes or Georginas
1012
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:17,647
was also
some kind of endearing original...
1013
00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:21,141
part of his narrative.
1014
00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:23,064
Who had ever heard
of anything like that?
1015
00:59:23,185 --> 00:59:26,155
U' WE'RE ALL MADE OF STARS
from FINDING NEVERLAND Mays I')
1016
00:59:30,942 --> 00:59:35,493
FOREMAN JR: During that time
there was an ABC show called "George".
1017
00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:38,208
Hi, Daddy. Let's go the distance.
1018
00:59:38,325 --> 00:59:40,794
The second round will never see
1019
00:59:40,911 --> 00:59:43,960
because I float like a butterfly
and sting like a bee.
1020
00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:47,968
Boxing was getting kind of secondary.
1021
00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:50,053
George, we have
to have a little discussion
1022
00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:52,047
about your recent lack of get-up-and-go.
1023
00:59:52,172 --> 00:59:53,219
Ah, people always...
1024
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:56,219
FOREMAN JR: That's a good thing
out of the ring, but in the ring
1025
00:59:56,343 --> 00:59:58,016
that was taking him away from his goals.
1026
00:59:58,136 --> 01:00:01,185
George, you haven't been
to the gym in weeks. Look at you.
1027
01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:02,398
You are 40.
1028
01:00:02,516 --> 01:00:05,360
Ah, don't start that nasty 40 business.
1029
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:08,856
(CROWD CHEERS)
1030
01:00:09,981 --> 01:00:13,360
TRAMPLER: After losing to Holyfield,
George wasn't gonna give up.
1031
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:17,364
And we were able
to get him with Tommy Morrison.
1032
01:00:18,406 --> 01:00:21,785
COMMENTATOR: And we begin round one.
It's scheduled for 12.
1033
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:24,163
Very few think it will last that long.
1034
01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:27,587
TRAMPLER: I honestly thought George
was going to destroy him.
1035
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,755
COMMENT AT OR:
Foreman lands a good punch.
1036
01:00:31,086 --> 01:00:33,009
Morrison, wild, missed both times.
1037
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:38,227
TRAMPLER: But Morrison somehow came up
with the, the best game plan ever.
1038
01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:39,970
He boxed. He moved.
1039
01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:46,610
COMMENTATOR: I am telling you,
Morrison throws a big bag of wheat.
1040
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,652
And George,
I don't think he prepared properly.
1041
01:00:51,773 --> 01:00:54,617
Uh, George ran second.
1042
01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:56,202
He was doing the TV show.
1043
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,492
He had...
He was focused on other things.
1044
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,289
FOREMAN JR: Before the Tommy Morrison
fight he was hitting the bag
1045
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:05,333
on the set of "George,"
on the TV show, you know?
1046
01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:10,626
It's really hard
to be the biggest boxer
1047
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:13,094
and have a TV show at the same time!
1048
01:01:13,211 --> 01:01:16,511
My fight will not be against Morrison,
it will be against the rocking chair.
1049
01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:18,304
This is where I wanna go out of boxing.
1050
01:01:18,425 --> 01:01:21,019
Probably no-one will ever see me
in a boxing ring again.
1051
01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:26,855
COMMENT ATOR: This could be the last
2:08 of George Foreman's boxing career.
1052
01:01:26,975 --> 01:01:29,728
At the end of the fight,
Tommy Morrison got his hand raised
1053
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:31,025
and he won the fight.
1054
01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:37,111
COMMENTATOR: George Foreman's
legendary comeback is finished.
1055
01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:03,561
FOREMAN JR: After he lost to Morrison,
1056
01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,022
really he started
spending time on the ranch.
1057
01:02:08,016 --> 01:02:10,110
And we're riding horses,
1058
01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:13,401
um, really working the ranch,
working hard.
1059
01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:20,825
Fast-forward to, uh, 1994
1060
01:02:20,946 --> 01:02:23,449
and when Michael Moorer
wins the heavyweight champion.
1061
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,372
(BELL muss)
1062
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,999
ANNOUNCER: And new
heavyweight champion of the world...
1063
01:02:31,122 --> 01:02:33,966
LAMPLEY: Michael Moorer
is another heavyweight champion.
1064
01:02:34,125 --> 01:02:38,301
What does he wanna do?
He wants to make money!
1065
01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:42,142
So, he does the same thing
that Holyfield did.
1066
01:02:42,259 --> 01:02:43,556
Let's go straight to George.
1067
01:02:43,677 --> 01:02:46,100
That's the way
to get the biggest audience.
1068
01:02:46,221 --> 01:02:48,895
And I'm sure that Moorer, at age 26,
1069
01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:52,235
unbeaten,
having just beaten Evander Holyfield,
1070
01:02:52,352 --> 01:02:54,650
didn't really believe in his heart
1071
01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:58,025
that there was gonna be that big
a challenge in fighting George Foreman.
1072
01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:08,334
TRAMPLER:
When George agreed to fight Moorer,
1073
01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:10,040
he had no more choices.
1074
01:03:10,161 --> 01:03:13,540
It was either beat this guy and win it
or, or you're done.
1075
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:18,837
He was getting older.
1076
01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:22,637
Uh, he didn't have
a lot of credibility left
1077
01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:25,852
and people were saying, "George,
maybe it's just not meant to be."
1078
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:27,266
"Maybe it's not gonna happen."
1079
01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:34,061
FOREMAN JR: Then you hear
that he's gonna fight Michael Moorer.
1080
01:03:34,185 --> 01:03:37,860
Now, Michael Moorer,
me being a boxing fan...
1081
01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,368
I remember him as a middleweight,
1082
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:44,988
a light-heavyweight,
and now a heavyweight.
1083
01:03:45,113 --> 01:03:47,161
I watched the Holyfield fight.
1084
01:03:47,282 --> 01:03:52,209
I watched him do, like, amazing things
as a... as a contender coming up.
1085
01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:57,586
So, I didn't like that idea of him
fighting Michael Moorer.
1086
01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:58,676
I didn't like that.
1087
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,217
LAMPLEY:
I worked with George at that time
1088
01:04:05,342 --> 01:04:08,471
and for months prior to the fight
I would say to him,
1089
01:04:08,595 --> 01:04:11,439
"George, how are you
even gonna find Moorer?"
1090
01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:15,186
"Holyfield couldn't find him
and Holyfield's much more mobile
1091
01:04:15,310 --> 01:04:18,314
and much more of a mover in the ring
than you are.
1092
01:04:18,438 --> 01:04:23,740
"And, you know, this guy's a southpaw,
doesn't move in a conventional way."
1093
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:27,330
"Uh, he's 26 years old.
He's quicker than you are."
1094
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:32,370
I just don't understand
exactly what is the plan.
1095
01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,459
And George said to me, "You watch."
1096
01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:40,677
"Late in the fight at some point,
1097
01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:43,092
he'll stand in front of me
and allow me to knock him out."
1098
01:04:46,424 --> 01:04:47,801
I knew a secret George had
1099
01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:50,099
in regards to what he did
to work on that kind of punch,
1100
01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:51,893
the way to take you out with one punch.
1101
01:04:54,182 --> 01:04:58,528
It's an exercise
that you can... do with a hatchet.
1102
01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,658
If you looked at his arms at the time,
you saw how big they were.
1103
01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:06,198
They were chiseled like that
because of that exercise
1104
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,698
and because he was taking that axe and
just kind of chopping it into the tree.
1105
01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:40,062
COMMENTATOR: Tonight live from
the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada,
1106
01:05:40,186 --> 01:05:43,156
as Michael Moorer,
WBA and IBF heavyweight champion,
1107
01:05:43,273 --> 01:05:47,198
defends his title against
the one and only George Foreman.
1108
01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:49,571
It's scheduled for 12 rounds.
1109
01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:52,745
FOREMAN: The most important thing
in this boxing match I had going
1110
01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:55,210
that Michael Moorer didn't have,
1111
01:05:55,368 --> 01:05:57,120
I wanted to be there.
1112
01:05:57,245 --> 01:06:01,170
I ran up the, the aisle,
jumped into the ring
1113
01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:04,545
and it wasn't like
I wanted someone else to be there.
1114
01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:08,799
This was gonna be my opportunity to
fight for the championship of the world.
1115
01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:12,678
All the instructions, all the trainings
had come to head now.
1116
01:06:13,928 --> 01:06:15,555
ANNOUNCER: Twelve rounds of boxing
1117
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,435
for the heavyweight championship
of the world.
1118
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,941
Tonight, he steps into this ring ready
to put his perfect record on the line.
1119
01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:28,034
Presenting the undefeated
1120
01:06:28,151 --> 01:06:32,372
heavyweight champion of the world,
1121
01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:35,242
Michael
1122
01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,745
Moorer!
1123
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:40,964
(CROWD CHEERS)
1124
01:06:42,457 --> 01:06:48,510
Ladies and gentlemen, introducing
from Houston, Texas, the challenger,
1125
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:51,554
the former heavyweight
1126
01:06:51,674 --> 01:06:54,974
champion of the world,
1127
01:06:55,094 --> 01:07:01,227
Big George Foreman.
1128
01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:03,445
(CROWD CHEERS)
1129
01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:11,490
(BELL muss)
1130
01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:15,828
FOREMAN: The idea was
to surprise Michael Moorer.
1131
01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,496
He didn't expect me to stand up.
1132
01:07:17,617 --> 01:07:21,542
You see, I instantly started
to jab right on top of his hands,
1133
01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:22,755
stopping his punches.
1134
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,260
COMMENTATOR: Expect Moorer to start off
working behind the right jab
1135
01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,971
that served him so well
in the battle with Holyfield.
1136
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,889
FOREMAN: And I'd learned
take your time, be patient.
1137
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:39,184
Never a rope-a-dope again.
1138
01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,354
I was the dope. Not again.
1139
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,146
He'd go to the body.
1140
01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,866
But I was protected with cheeseburgers
at this time. He couldn't hurt me.
1141
01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:53,787
There's another right hand.
1142
01:07:53,903 --> 01:07:56,497
What bothered me is
the commentators didn't even see that.
1143
01:07:56,614 --> 01:08:00,994
They were so full of their predictions
of what was gonna happen,
1144
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,712
they didn't even look at the fight.
1145
01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:04,706
COMMENT AT OR:
George just couldn't get off.
1146
01:08:04,831 --> 01:08:07,880
He's gonna have to punch and try
to club him and keep feeding him.
1147
01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,095
But I don't think that's gonna happen.
1148
01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:14,387
COMMENTATOR: George refuses to sit down
between rounds, Gil, and stands up.
1149
01:08:14,507 --> 01:08:17,135
Does that make it harder
for the cut man to do his work?
1150
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:21,390
You know, I was so big if I sat down,
I wouldn't be able to get up.
1151
01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:24,142
That's why I didn't sit. (LAUGHS)
1152
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:27,194
COMMENTATOR: They threw
equal punches in round number one,
1153
01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:29,030
but according to punch stat numbers,
1154
01:08:29,147 --> 01:08:32,572
Moorer landed at twice as high a rate.
1155
01:08:35,069 --> 01:08:37,788
Sharp right by Moorer
who seems to be gaining confidence.
1156
01:08:39,282 --> 01:08:41,034
Good right hand by Moorer.
1157
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,089
Moorer misses with the right,
but lands the left.
1158
01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:49,254
TRAMPLER: Going into the fight
I gave George a good shot,
1159
01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:53,425
but as the, as the fight went on,
round after round,
1160
01:08:53,546 --> 01:08:54,889
you start losing hope.
1161
01:08:55,006 --> 01:08:58,431
You just say,
"Maybe it just isn't meant to be."
1162
01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:05,316
COMMENTATOR: George's left eye
is starting to swell already.
1163
01:09:07,644 --> 01:09:10,397
Solid left hand over the top by Moorer!
1164
01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:13,024
Backing Foreman up again.
1165
01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,401
(BELL RINGS)
1166
01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:17,745
The heavy blows in that round
were landed by the champion.
1167
01:09:17,862 --> 01:09:19,956
(CROWD CHEERS)
1168
01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:24,290
Harold Lederman,
how do you see it so far?
1169
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:27,960
LEDERMAN". Jim, four rounds to nothing,
40 to 36, Michael Moorer.
1170
01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:29,799
Boxing judges are definitely...
1171
01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:31,839
ARUM: It wasn't even a close fight
1172
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,883
and Moorer was winning every round.
1173
01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,507
I'll be... Even myself I gave up hope.
1174
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,262
COMMENTATOR: In round four,
Moorer stepped up his activity level.
1175
01:09:42,428 --> 01:09:44,180
He threw 65 punches in that round.
1176
01:09:45,932 --> 01:09:49,402
Michael Mccrer, it's locking as though
his respect for Foreman decreases
1177
01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:50,611
from round to round.
1178
01:09:50,728 --> 01:09:52,651
I have a sense here, Gil,
1179
01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,072
that Moorer feels
as though he has felt Foreman's power
1180
01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:57,694
and it's not gonna hurt him.
1181
01:09:57,819 --> 01:10:00,163
ARUM: And I remember my wife
sitting next to me
1182
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,331
and she said, "Don't get yourself down.
It's hopeless."
1183
01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:06,748
(BELL RINGS)
1184
01:10:06,869 --> 01:10:08,792
COMMENT AT OR:
Seven rounds in the books.
1185
01:10:08,913 --> 01:10:10,790
Harold Lederman,
how do you see it so far?
1186
01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:14,545
LEDERMAN:
Jim, six rounds to one, 69-64,
1187
01:10:14,669 --> 01:10:16,922
commanding five-point lead
for Michael Moorer.
1188
01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:19,515
FOREMAN: So, he win the round.
1189
01:10:19,632 --> 01:10:23,637
That's not my aim to win the round.
(SCOFFS)
1190
01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,264
Now I'm looking
for a knockout, though, that's for sure.
1191
01:10:29,475 --> 01:10:32,445
COMMENT AT OR:
Solid right hand by Moorer.
1192
01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:35,190
Foreman's left eye beginning to close.
1193
01:10:36,107 --> 01:10:40,283
Much quicker getting his punches away
than George. That's no big surprise.
1194
01:10:40,403 --> 01:10:43,202
FOREMAN: He catches me asleep.
He got me with two of them.
1195
01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:47,206
And I can say that didn't hurt,
but I'd be lying.
1196
01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:48,999
(LAUGHS)
1197
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,214
I'd be telling a lie.
1198
01:10:53,374 --> 01:10:55,376
COMMENTATOR:
There are the right hands.
1199
01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:57,629
Moorer landing two
in rapid-fire succession.
1200
01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:01,090
Left hand over the top
lands for Moorer.
1201
01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:03,217
Foreman takes another step backward.
1202
01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:07,973
GIL: I'm surprised Moorer
is just out there fencing with George.
1203
01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:10,771
COMMENTATOR: I think he thinks
he's gonna knock him out.
1204
01:11:10,892 --> 01:11:14,112
I thought that he would fight
cautiously and work for a decision.
1205
01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:15,400
But he now looks to me
1206
01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:18,365
as though he thinks
he's gonna be able to knock Foreman out
1207
01:11:18,483 --> 01:11:21,862
and he thinks he'll do it by standing
in front of him and trading shots.
1208
01:11:22,737 --> 01:11:26,287
HOLYHELD:
I-l felt that Moorer disrespect him
1209
01:11:26,407 --> 01:11:32,255
because he wanted to knock him out,
more so than just beat him, you know?
1210
01:11:32,371 --> 01:11:35,341
You know, I wanted to knock George out,
1211
01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:38,712
but I hit him
with 17 punches unanswered
1212
01:11:38,836 --> 01:11:40,588
and, and he still stayed up.
1213
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,720
COMMENTATOR: Upper cut by Moorer,
blasted Foreman's chin backward.
1214
01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:52,108
But you notice,
he hit me and didn't run away
1215
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,355
and I'm really thinking,
this is delicious.
1216
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:57,947
I don't like being hit now,
1217
01:11:58,064 --> 01:12:01,910
but the idea that someone
is hitting me and standing right there?
1218
01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:03,949
You're supposed to run.
1219
01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:06,706
I barely missed him then.
1220
01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:09,201
You can see, in another round
I'll get a little closer.
1221
01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:13,959
COMMENTATOR:
And George makes it out of the round
1222
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,300
that bedeviled him in Zaire
20 years ago.
1223
01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:24,299
That's the moment I was really tired,
about the ninth round,
1224
01:12:24,423 --> 01:12:26,801
when I hear that ten-second,
ding, ding,
1225
01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:28,974
I was like,
"I can't wait to get to my corner."
1226
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:33,107
And in the corner,
Angelo Dundee upset me.
1227
01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:36,398
He came back and started talking about,
1228
01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:38,988
"I hate to say it,
but you're falling behind on points,"
1229
01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:42,109
and I got so upset.
1230
01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:45,533
Like I said, I'm not trying
to win a fight on points.
1231
01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:49,032
COMMENTATOR: In round nine,
George Foreman threw only 35 punches.
1232
01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:51,830
His activity level dropping now.
1233
01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:55,584
Earlier in the fight,
he was routinely throwing
1234
01:12:55,705 --> 01:12:57,628
between 50 and 60 punches
in each round.
1235
01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:03,546
Right hand landed there and another.
1236
01:13:05,172 --> 01:13:07,470
A right and a left
and suddenly Moorer stops bunting
1237
01:13:07,592 --> 01:13:09,185
and it's Foreman's initiative.
1238
01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:13,390
GIL: There's that
competitive spirit of George's again.
1239
01:13:13,514 --> 01:13:16,609
He feels he's nailed Moorer with
a good punch and he's a good finisher.
1240
01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:19,024
He knows how to do it,
but he's in with a tough guy.
1241
01:13:19,145 --> 01:13:22,570
The punch is the only thing
that followed me all my life.
1242
01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:28,071
Went into the ring the first time
and I hit a guy and he went down
1243
01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,994
and I said, "What happened?
I thought we were supposed to box."
1244
01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,577
COMMENTATOR: Give him all the credit
in the world,
1245
01:13:34,702 --> 01:13:38,423
but, again, he's a 45-year-old man
in a young man's game.
1246
01:13:38,539 --> 01:13:40,587
In the first nine rounds of fight,
1247
01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:45,339
he, he doesn't throw
a single meaningful left hook.
1248
01:13:45,463 --> 01:13:46,931
If you watch that last round,
1249
01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:49,392
in the first 30 or 40 seconds
of that last round,
1250
01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:52,261
he throws two big sweeping left hooks.
1251
01:13:53,596 --> 01:13:56,099
COMMENTATOR: Foreman wading in
to set up a left hook.
1252
01:13:56,223 --> 01:13:57,975
And another left hook!
1253
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,478
And another left hook shot that missed.
1254
01:14:00,603 --> 01:14:05,825
And that was for the purpose of stopping
Michael from moving in this direction
1255
01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:10,243
and making him be stationary,
so that George could knock him out.
1256
01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,666
COMMENT AT OR:
Right hand landing for Foreman.
1257
01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:16,161
He's had a pretty good round here
in number ten.
1258
01:14:18,746 --> 01:14:21,295
GIL: That's the best right hand
in the fight.
1259
01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:23,964
COMMENTATOR: Down goes Moorer on a right hand!
1260
01:14:24,085 --> 01:14:26,964
An unbelievably close
and right-hand shot.
1261
01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,182
(CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS)
1262
01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:37,853
After those months of talking to George
and George, you know, predicting for me,
1263
01:14:37,974 --> 01:14:39,476
what was going to happen,
1264
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,602
suddenly I'm looking at Moorer
on the canvas.
1265
01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:45,573
The first thought in my mind is, "Why
didn't I formulate a line for this?"
1266
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:49,411
CUTMAN: Five, six, seven, eight...
1267
01:14:49,527 --> 01:14:52,246
You would have thought
that I might be well prepared enough
1268
01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:56,539
to at least have thought
of some reasonable thing to say.
1269
01:14:56,701 --> 01:14:59,329
That George is going to win
the heavyweight championship again
1270
01:14:59,453 --> 01:15:01,376
because Moorer is not gonna get up.
1271
01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:03,591
He's not gonna beat this count.
1272
01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:05,961
And all I could think to myself is,
"You idiot."
1273
01:15:06,085 --> 01:15:09,339
"You didn't prepare
in the way that you should have."
1274
01:15:09,463 --> 01:15:12,387
And the only thing
that came to mind was...
1275
01:15:12,508 --> 01:15:15,352
COMMENTATOR: It happened! It happened!
1276
01:15:15,469 --> 01:15:17,563
(CROWD CHEERS)
1277
01:15:20,474 --> 01:15:24,775
GIL: I can't believe it!
I can't believe it.
1278
01:15:28,107 --> 01:15:29,984
LAMPLEY: "It happened, it happened"
1279
01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,783
sounds like it's about
"OK, he knocked out Michael Moorer."
1280
01:15:32,903 --> 01:15:36,373
But to me
it was all the stuff he told me.
1281
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:40,085
Everything he said to me for months
about what was going to happen.
1282
01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:42,330
It happened.
1283
01:15:42,455 --> 01:15:44,207
I will say, to my dying day,
1284
01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:46,675
"Yes, he issued the prophecy."
1285
01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:48,760
"He said it would work that way."
1286
01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,639
Look at Bob Arum.
1287
01:15:52,757 --> 01:15:55,351
He grabbed me.
He said, "Praise the Lord!"
1288
01:15:55,468 --> 01:15:57,266
(LAUGHS)
1289
01:15:57,386 --> 01:15:59,809
ARUM: I jumped in the ring
1290
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:01,682
and went over to him and hugged him
1291
01:16:01,807 --> 01:16:04,902
and that's one
of my favorite pictures.
1292
01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:09,490
COMMENTATOR: As referee Joe Cortez
waved his arms over Moorer,
1293
01:16:09,607 --> 01:16:14,158
George Foreman
knelt in prayer in the neutral corner.
1294
01:16:14,278 --> 01:16:17,077
GIL: You know, this is a two-to-one fight,
1295
01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:20,577
but in my mind it was
gazillion to one that George Foreman
1296
01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:23,170
could ever win
the heavyweight championship again.
1297
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,550
This is a really remarkable achievement.
1298
01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:29,760
That's the one thing
I said George couldn't do.
1299
01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,595
He couldn't get you out with one punch.
1300
01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:34,056
But, boy, he sure fooled me
and Michael Moorer.
1301
01:16:35,132 --> 01:16:37,476
COMMENTATOR:
It landed on the point of the chin.
1302
01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,812
GIL: Right on the button
where it says goodnight.
1303
01:16:41,722 --> 01:16:46,148
COMMENTATOR: You see the blood
welling up behind Moorerk lips
1304
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:49,112
as he momentarily went to sleep.
1305
01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:55,782
The 68th man in 26 years
1306
01:16:55,903 --> 01:17:00,659
to have fallen before
the professional fury of George Foreman.
1307
01:17:00,783 --> 01:17:03,036
FOREMAN JR". It was unbelievable to me.
1308
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,336
I just remembered him talking to me
when I was in the seventh grade.
1309
01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:11,177
I'm playing college basketball now,
I'm a grown man,
1310
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:14,968
and in the seventh grade he said I was
gonna be the heavyweight champion.
1311
01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:19,552
COMMENTATOR: So you've got
a 45-year-old heavyweight champion.
1312
01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:22,726
Let's go to Michael Buffer
for the official particulars.
1313
01:17:22,847 --> 01:17:27,398
ANNOUNCER: Here at the MGM Grand,
the impossible dream has happened.
1314
01:17:27,518 --> 01:17:29,065
The winner
1315
01:17:29,186 --> 01:17:34,943
and once again
heavyweight champion of world,
1316
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:38,412
Big George
1317
01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,453
Foreman.
1318
01:17:41,574 --> 01:17:43,997
(CROWD CHEERS)
1319
01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:06,645
INTERVIEWER: George, you're a far different fighter
1320
01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:10,144
than you were
when last I saw you 20 years ago.
1321
01:18:10,269 --> 01:18:14,490
Would George Foreman today have stood
a chance against that George Foreman?
1322
01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:16,780
No doubt about it
cos I'm using brain power now.
1323
01:18:16,901 --> 01:18:18,403
You would have stood a chance?
1324
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,995
I would have gotten out of the way
1325
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:22,706
and then waited and knocked
a young George Foreman out.
1326
01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:28,037
TRAMPLER: In my opinion,
the second George Foreman
1327
01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:29,755
would have beaten the first one
1328
01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:33,467
cos he was smarter,
he was calmer, he was more patient.
1329
01:18:33,584 --> 01:18:34,961
He didn't get excited.
1330
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:37,429
(CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS)
1331
01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:41,050
LAMPLEY: He was so much the opposite
of, of the first guy.
1332
01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:43,849
COMMENT AT OR:
Right hand landed there. And another.
1333
01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,812
LAM P L EY: Smarter. Better.
1334
01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,934
More well rounded.
Greater technical craft.
1335
01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:52,312
Number two George beats
number one George, I'm pretty sure.
1336
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,734
DUNDEE: If the old George Foreman
had fought Muhammad in Zaire,
1337
01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:00,782
he wouldn't have
been affected by Zaire.
1338
01:19:00,903 --> 01:19:03,782
If he'd have been the guy
that he was when he came back,
1339
01:19:03,906 --> 01:19:06,034
it would have been
maybe a different ball game.
1340
01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:13,588
ARUM: I love my promotional career
having been associated with him
1341
01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:16,005
and to see what he became,
1342
01:19:16,126 --> 01:19:20,347
both as an athlete,
but more important as a person.
1343
01:19:22,675 --> 01:19:26,396
Well, he became this beloved figure.
1344
01:19:26,512 --> 01:19:29,891
Um, we can change.
1345
01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:35,863
This is a country where people
come to reinvent themselves.
1346
01:19:37,523 --> 01:19:39,196
HOLYHELD: He, he made a transition.
1347
01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:43,321
And it's one of the things
that a lot of people think,
1348
01:19:43,445 --> 01:19:46,745
being that bad guy, it's easier.
1349
01:19:46,865 --> 01:19:48,742
But my mama always told me,
1350
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:53,418
"Ah, well, you be that bad guy
and you really not that bad guy,"
1351
01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:56,713
they gonna hold you there a lot longer
than you want to be."
1352
01:19:56,834 --> 01:19:59,883
All right? So my mama... "Never pretend
to be something that you not."
1353
01:20:02,673 --> 01:20:06,553
FOREMAN". I was victorious that night
and celebrated the best I could,
1354
01:20:06,677 --> 01:20:09,021
but I thought about Michael Moorer
1355
01:20:09,138 --> 01:20:12,984
and the night I lost the championship
by surprise to Muhammad Ali.
1356
01:20:14,101 --> 01:20:15,978
And I sat in my dressing room.
1357
01:20:16,103 --> 01:20:18,151
Joe Frazier came to the room
1358
01:20:18,272 --> 01:20:20,946
and sat with me and consoled me.
1359
01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:27,453
Of all the people in the world it was
Joe Frazier to come and comfort me.
1360
01:20:27,573 --> 01:20:31,419
And I hoped Michael Moorer was able to
find that person in his room that night.
1361
01:20:33,078 --> 01:20:36,082
TRAMPLER:
You know, to me, George Foreman
1362
01:20:36,206 --> 01:20:39,676
is the last great American heavyweight.
There hasn't been a better one since
1363
01:20:39,793 --> 01:20:43,093
and there were
very few better ones before him.
1364
01:20:45,090 --> 01:20:48,890
I think it's one of the greatest
individual accomplishments in sports
1365
01:20:49,011 --> 01:20:51,810
and I'm not certain
to what you would compare it.
1366
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:54,308
This man won what we used to call
1367
01:20:54,433 --> 01:20:58,108
the biggest individual prize
in global sport.
1368
01:20:58,228 --> 01:21:00,731
Twice, 21 years apart,
1369
01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,654
as two different fighters
1370
01:21:02,775 --> 01:21:06,905
and even more to the point,
as two different human beings.
1371
01:21:07,029 --> 01:21:10,078
You know that after beating Moorer
that you'd finally exorcised
1372
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:13,169
the bitter memory of your loss
to Muhammad Ali.
1373
01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:15,708
You've heard from Muhammad
since your victory, right?
1374
01:21:15,829 --> 01:21:17,331
He sent me a telegram and signed it.
1375
01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:22,590
You know, congratulations. You showed
that you had the courage and the guts.
1376
01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,389
When that man tell you you got guts,
1377
01:21:25,506 --> 01:21:27,884
you feel like,
"Hey, I've gotten there now."
1378
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,113
MERCHANT:
George, nothing has symbolized you
1379
01:21:45,234 --> 01:21:47,703
as much as your farewell to boxing.
1380
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:48,992
Thank you very much.
1381
01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:52,208
I wouldn't want it to do it
with anyone better than Larry Merchant.
1382
01:21:52,324 --> 01:21:54,201
God bless you.
1383
01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:59,002
And remember the George Foreman
Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine.
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No home should be without this thing.
God bless you. Go get one.
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