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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:44,427 MAN: When you run out of money and you don't have a job 2 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,014 and bills are coming in... 3 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:49,224 and you're not just thinking about yourself. 4 00:00:49,341 --> 00:00:53,346 You're thinking about next year, five years, 5 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:55,643 the weight of the world is on your shoulders. 6 00:00:57,432 --> 00:00:59,434 I don't think he wanted to go back to boxing. 7 00:01:06,108 --> 00:01:10,204 In George Foreman's first heavyweight career, it was all attack. 8 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:12,364 COMMENTATOR: Thunderous right hand. Boom! 9 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:13,615 On the forehead! Bang! 10 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,414 MAN 2: And shocking violence. 11 00:01:18,287 --> 00:01:21,336 He was not a guy you wanted to get hit by. 12 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:26,007 I mean, he did demolition jobs on most of the opponents. 13 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:28,092 He hit me so hard. 14 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:33,136 He busted me open. The eye bone came through my eye from the inside out. 15 00:01:33,343 --> 00:01:35,437 (CROWD SHOUTS) 16 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:40,108 LARRY MERCHANT: George was a tornado 17 00:01:40,225 --> 00:01:42,944 that blew through the heavyweight division... 18 00:01:44,563 --> 00:01:46,907 And then it was gone. 19 00:01:53,572 --> 00:01:55,199 REPORTER: The clock will not go back. 20 00:01:55,324 --> 00:01:57,668 That is not a fact, what you're saying. 21 00:01:57,784 --> 00:02:01,084 I can become heavyweight champion of the world if I want to in any age. 22 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:07,053 Now he's conning himself. He cannot separate the fantasy and the reality. 23 00:02:07,169 --> 00:02:10,173 Boxing smart money says George Foreman's comeback is a fraud. 24 00:02:11,548 --> 00:02:14,176 COMMENT AT OR: Left, right, left by Holyfield. 25 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:17,350 What do they want? To kill this man? It's over. 26 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,974 You gotta realize I'm closer to 50 than I am to 20. 27 00:02:20,098 --> 00:02:22,567 Some sceptics think that this is just ridiculous. 28 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:24,152 Foreman is just too old. 29 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,613 People just don't come back after ten years 30 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:29,779 and perform at the highest levels of their craft. 31 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:33,286 He has gone from being spectacular to becoming a spectacle. 32 00:02:33,403 --> 00:02:36,998 COMMENT ATOR: And now let's see, is George Foreman for real 33 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:41,120 or is this the farce that many critics have said it will be? 34 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,930 One time, we were getting ready to go to the Houston Rockets game 35 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:55,142 to see Ralph Sampson in his rookie year 36 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:58,432 and, um, there were some jeans on the bed 37 00:02:58,553 --> 00:03:01,147 that I was supposed to put on to go to the game. 38 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:05,610 I didn't wanna put them on. They were kind of worn. Had a little hole in them. 39 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:08,571 And I said, "You know what? I don't wanna look poor." 40 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:12,944 My father said, "Excuse me? Poor?" He said... We didn't go to the game. 41 00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:17,574 He said, "Let me show you poor," and he drove me to Fifth Ward. 42 00:03:17,698 --> 00:03:19,621 (noes BARK) 43 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:28,509 RALPH COOPER: The Fifth Ward was known as the Bloody Fifth Ward. 44 00:03:28,625 --> 00:03:32,255 It was known for people getting hurt, killed. 45 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:37,851 I thought the neighborhood which I grew up in, Sunnyside, was a rough place, 46 00:03:37,968 --> 00:03:40,938 but it was nothing in my opinion like the Fifth Ward. 47 00:03:42,514 --> 00:03:44,437 FOREMAN". Growing up in Houston, Fifth Ward, 48 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,811 I'd learned to be sort of an adventurer. 49 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:48,437 A bad boy, so to speak. 50 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:51,315 I'd run the streets, got into a lot of trouble. 51 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,192 Ended up dropping out of high school. 52 00:03:53,358 --> 00:03:56,658 And so I didn't have much of a life at all. 53 00:03:57,904 --> 00:03:59,998 COOPER: He was not a nice guy. 54 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:03,745 He was one of several individuals across Houston 55 00:04:03,869 --> 00:04:07,248 that had reputations that were bad. 56 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:13,716 One of his coaches, he felt George could have been an NFL football player. 57 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:15,927 He was trying to get him to do the right thing, 58 00:04:16,047 --> 00:04:18,300 stop doing the street thing, the robbing thing. 59 00:04:18,425 --> 00:04:20,519 (SIREN WAILS) 60 00:04:22,179 --> 00:04:23,931 FOREMAN: I was mugging a guy one night 61 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:27,685 and the police started to mount up on me and catch me. 62 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:30,312 I had to run from the police, crawl under the house to hide 63 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:32,030 and I thought the dogs would get me. 64 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:35,654 I hide myself. I covered myself with mud. 65 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,653 (DOG BARKS) 66 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:40,076 I crawled from under that house that night saying, 67 00:04:40,197 --> 00:04:42,291 "I-I'm not gonna be like this." 68 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:48,080 And it just so happened Jimmy Brown did a commercial for the Job Corps. 69 00:04:48,205 --> 00:04:50,879 Said, "If you want that extra chance at life, join the Job Corps." 70 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:52,342 I got one more chance at it. 71 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:57,343 VOKZEOVER: One phase of the anti-poverty program gets underway 72 00:04:57,464 --> 00:05:00,809 as the first of 25,000 Job Corps trainees arrive at camp. 73 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:02,269 This center adjoins... 74 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:03,728 FOREMAN: I took the opportunity. 75 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:06,018 Said, "The sad thing, you'll have to leave home." 76 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:08,187 I-I didn't know about that. 77 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,777 But I convinced my mom and told her what it was all about. 78 00:05:10,894 --> 00:05:12,020 She says she would sign. 79 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:15,490 She welcomed my leaving my current environment. 80 00:05:17,484 --> 00:05:21,364 Joining the Job Corps changed every aspect of my life. 81 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:28,125 I got interested in all things. Some education, learning to read and write. 82 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:35,211 I had, for the first time in my life, three meals in one day. 83 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:43,393 Got into a lot of trouble in the Job Corps. 84 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:47,140 And I didn't want to, but I just had this old habit of fighting. 85 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:49,813 And one of the kids said, "George, you think you're so tough." 86 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:51,401 "Why don't you become a boxer?" 87 00:05:51,518 --> 00:05:52,644 (GRUNTS) 88 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:00,114 I wanted to prove that I was tough 89 00:06:00,235 --> 00:06:02,363 and I thought one day I'd get these golden gloves 90 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:04,080 and then go home to Houston, Texas, 91 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:08,043 and be the most outstanding street fighter that ever lived. 92 00:06:08,159 --> 00:06:09,911 That's all I thought about. 93 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:14,587 A lot of people think, 17 years old, that's kind of late to start boxing, 94 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,381 but Doc Broadus believed in me. 95 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:20,722 All he said, "if you stop fighting in the streets and acting a clown, 96 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,058 you can become an Olympic gold medalist." 97 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,639 LAMPLEY: My first memory of George Foreman is, I think 98 00:06:28,763 --> 00:06:33,564 the first memory of most Americans who were alive in 1968 99 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:38,031 and that's walking around the ring with the little American flags 100 00:06:38,148 --> 00:06:41,698 after his gold medal bout in Mexico City. 101 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:44,116 FOREMAN: Well, the highlight of my athletic life 102 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:45,784 was to win that Olympic gold medal, 103 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:50,127 to stand on that platform, listening to your national anthem in the background. 104 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:52,541 Nothing has come close to that moment. 105 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:56,417 For the first time, I was a teenager, I had a dream come true. 106 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:58,635 (CROWD CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 107 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:02,510 I'd like to show you guys my gold medal. 108 00:07:02,631 --> 00:07:05,475 - Real gold for the champ. - (APPLAUSE) 109 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:11,106 FOREMAN: I was rescued from the gutter by way of the United States government. 110 00:07:11,222 --> 00:07:14,772 Lyndon Johnson started an anti-poverty program that really rescued me, 111 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:16,520 gave me a chance to get an education. 112 00:07:16,645 --> 00:07:18,488 So I became more than patriotic. 113 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:20,824 I-I started to love the country, really. 114 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:24,491 COOPER: You could see how proud he was when he went to the White House 115 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:27,956 and took pictures with Lyndon Baines Johnson, President Johnson. 116 00:07:29,407 --> 00:07:31,034 I thought that was a great thing. 117 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:34,959 A guy coming from Fifth Ward with that kind of reputation 118 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,957 and now he's in the White House? 119 00:07:37,082 --> 00:07:40,757 Shaking hands with the President? President. 120 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:50,220 REPORTER: When are you going pro? 121 00:07:50,345 --> 00:07:53,599 I got a lot of work to do first before I turn pro. 122 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:55,566 I intend about three months maybe, 123 00:07:55,684 --> 00:07:57,778 but when I do start I'm going all the way up. 124 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:59,896 What do you mean by all the way up? 125 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:03,366 All the way up to the heavyweight championship of the world, for real. 126 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,327 - How long do you think it'll take? - (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 127 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:10,499 FOREMAN: There's an emotional journey you take 128 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,243 while trying to be heavyweight champ of the world. 129 00:08:13,368 --> 00:08:17,669 Probably a grand time in my life was the first time I met Muhammad Ali. 130 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,885 It was in a boxing gym in Miami. 131 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:26,098 Give me some gloves. I gotta whoop my little brother now. 132 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:30,014 FOREMAN: He said, "George, once you become champion of the world, 133 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:31,933 this is what you're gonna get." 134 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:36,024 I thought, "What an exciting moment." He said, "Stay right here. I'll be back." 135 00:08:36,141 --> 00:08:38,735 And he ran down the stairs and stayed for a few moments. 136 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:41,355 He came back and all the time I was thinking, 137 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:45,154 "He's gonna bring back a briefcase filled with money." 138 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:46,902 He came back, there was a briefcase 139 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:51,203 and I thought, "it's gotta be filled with thousands of dollars." 140 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:54,292 And he opened up the briefcase and it was a telephone. 141 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:56,252 (CHUCKLES) 142 00:08:57,328 --> 00:08:58,875 Right then I started to believe 143 00:08:58,997 --> 00:09:02,046 and think he believes I'm gonna be champion of the world too. 144 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,844 REPORTER: Dick, how tough has the opposition been for George? 145 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:15,392 Well, George has had very tough opposition 146 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:18,187 because each fight has been with an individual 147 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:20,936 that had far greater experience 148 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:23,564 and more pro fights than George has. 149 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,361 So each fight is... 150 00:09:25,482 --> 00:09:28,076 Well, travelling through the country, boxing everyone, 151 00:09:28,193 --> 00:09:32,414 Sadler would scout everyone and tell me, "This guy's got no chin." 152 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:36,626 "This guy's got no jab. This guy's got this... He's absent of this," 153 00:09:36,743 --> 00:09:38,962 and I'd believe him and knock those guys out. 154 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,798 COMMENT AT 0R: Foreman's dynamite power in both hands 155 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:45,215 is making him the scourge of the heavyweight division. 156 00:09:45,335 --> 00:09:47,963 George Foreman is now the number one contender 157 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,635 for the heavyweight championship, 158 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:54,478 and the question is who's going to stop this Foreman steamroller? 159 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:00,684 FOREMAN". But then, with Joe Frazier, 160 00:10:00,809 --> 00:10:01,935 I'd followed his career 161 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:04,904 from the time he had won the title from Buster Mathis. 162 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:09,322 This guy, we've seen him devastate everyone in the heavyweight division. 163 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:14,869 I was there when he put his head on the chest of Muhammad Ali and just turned. 164 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:16,411 He conquered him. 165 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,627 COMMENTATOR: Time is important here. 166 00:10:21,663 --> 00:10:23,882 (CROWD CHEERS) 167 00:10:23,998 --> 00:10:28,048 Joe Frazier was a terrific heavyweight champion 168 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,969 and most people didn't give Foreman a chance 169 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:35,014 based on the quality of the opponents 170 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:37,058 he'd fought prior to that. 171 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,728 I thought he had a chance, but now, you're talking about Joe Frazier now. 172 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,785 FOREMAN: I want the people in all the parts of the world to see this fight. 173 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:04,164 I don't think you'd be interested in coming to see two friends shake hands. 174 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:06,963 Joe Frazier and me will declare war on that day 175 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,427 and that's... that's definitely. 176 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:12,555 You gotta look those guys in the eyes, 177 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:16,267 stare them right in the eye, let them know that, "Hey, I'm not backing up." 178 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:20,184 Generally, when a guy is getting a little nervous he'll drop his head 179 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:24,560 and I was hoping Joe Frazier wouldn't because he'd see my knees shaking. 180 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:28,279 Joe Frazier was a dangerous man. 181 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:30,774 And for the first time I was actually afraid. 182 00:11:30,899 --> 00:11:32,367 The first man I was afraid of. 183 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:35,032 COMMENT AT OR: We may have an interesting evening. 184 00:11:35,153 --> 00:11:37,281 Frazier quite understandably the favorite. 185 00:11:37,405 --> 00:11:39,499 Foreman comes out, punching with the right. 186 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,289 Frazier in his usual style. 187 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:44,629 Smokin' is the way he puts it. His job, to get inside. 188 00:11:44,746 --> 00:11:49,126 His best weapon, the left hook. Foreman is vulnerable to the hook. 189 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:54,507 FOREMAN: He misses me with a left hook and it was like a fire, a gun. Pow! 190 00:11:54,631 --> 00:11:56,099 And I felt the power. 191 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:01,146 COMMENT AT OR: Oh, Foreman connected, as you saw. 192 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:03,356 He's getting into Frazier's head. 193 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:09,771 I think he hurt Joe Frazier. I think Joe is hurt. 194 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:13,776 Angie Dundee, Ali's trainer right next to me, is saying it. You may hear him. 195 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:19,790 Down goes Frazier! 196 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:23,752 The heavyweight champion is taking the mandatory eight-count 197 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:28,169 and Foreman is as poised as can be in a neutral corner. 198 00:12:28,289 --> 00:12:32,169 FOREMAN". When I got the first knockdown, I said, "Unreal! Unreal!" 199 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:36,013 COMMENTATOR: You see the countdown for the first round. 200 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:37,803 Foreman has not panicked. 201 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:40,268 Foreman is going about his job. 202 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:43,138 Foreman is all over Joe Frazier. 203 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:46,938 Frazier is down again! He doesn't know where he is. 204 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,403 Now the round is about to end. 205 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:53,360 Frazier's knees buckled. He is... he is down! 206 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:54,778 He is down! 207 00:12:54,899 --> 00:12:58,699 Three times in the first round by George Foreman. 208 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:01,073 He is all over Frazier again. 209 00:13:01,197 --> 00:13:03,074 A quick left hook, another! 210 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:06,794 Frazier is down for the fifth time in this fight! 211 00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:09,585 It's target practice for George Foreman. 212 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:11,424 It is target practice. 213 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:15,341 Frazier is ready to go again! Joe is standing. 214 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:19,887 There he goes. The fight is stopped and it's over in the second round. 215 00:13:20,008 --> 00:13:24,559 George Foreman is the heavyweight champion of the world! 216 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:29,688 They're carrying George Foreman. 217 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:34,440 They're carrying George Foreman on their shoulders right out of the ring! 218 00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:39,156 FOREMAN: And to be heavyweight champion of the world, 219 00:13:39,277 --> 00:13:43,248 as soon as it happens to you, it's like, uh, John L Sullivan, 220 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:47,915 uh, Braddock, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muham... 221 00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:50,915 It's like they all just pour right into you and you feel... 222 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:55,135 That moment? You feel, I am the heavyweight champion of the world. 223 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:56,377 Nothing like it. 224 00:13:56,502 --> 00:13:57,970 (CROWD CHEERS) 225 00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:02,342 It's a great day for me, having the police escort me for a change. 226 00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:05,220 Normally when I hear those sirens, I was running. 227 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:15,939 You see that sign says, "Sadler for mayor"? I'm for that too! 228 00:14:16,064 --> 00:14:18,158 (CROWD CHEERS) 229 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:23,158 FOREMAN: You become someone else. 230 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,998 It's not like you graduated into this. 231 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:30,211 All... There's a whole other personality and you are it. 232 00:14:30,328 --> 00:14:32,251 The champ. The champ. The champ. The champ. 233 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,091 And I'd like to thank everybody. Thank you for your support. 234 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:37,302 (CROWD CHEERS) 235 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,017 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 236 00:14:45,134 --> 00:14:46,932 This is the real power, though. 237 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,351 (LAUGHTER) 238 00:14:49,472 --> 00:14:52,100 FOREMAN: You've become heavyweight champion of the world. 239 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:53,442 The dream has come true 240 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,689 and there's no one alive who can tell you what it's all about. 241 00:14:57,814 --> 00:14:59,987 You gotta make all the mistakes. 242 00:15:00,108 --> 00:15:01,701 I'm the champion of the whole world. 243 00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:04,788 I was just sitting down writing a note to myself. 244 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,032 I'm the champion of the whole world. 245 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:08,703 FOREMAN: Fame was not my problem, 246 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:11,419 but the confidence of being champion of the world, 247 00:15:11,536 --> 00:15:14,756 that was something I'd never experienced in my life. 248 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:20,341 Uh, meeting Sonny Liston, oh, what a thrill that was. 249 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:24,432 I got a taste of what a heavyweight championship would mean to me. 250 00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:29,726 It would be about buying things and people admiring you. 251 00:15:29,846 --> 00:15:31,189 I loved that. 252 00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:33,353 And, of course, people being afraid of you. 253 00:15:35,143 --> 00:15:37,896 Everything he did, I'd try to imitate. 254 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,944 He was mean. I said, "I'm gonna show them how to be mean." 255 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,661 If he would come to me, I'd kill him. 256 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,700 If he run, I'm gonna catch him and kill him. 257 00:15:46,863 --> 00:15:48,536 We're looking forward to a great fight. 258 00:15:48,656 --> 00:15:51,705 I know that I'll be trying to knock this man's head off. 259 00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:56,586 When I first met him, he was young and he was nice 260 00:15:56,706 --> 00:16:00,085 and within a year or so, 261 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:05,090 he became one of the most surly people 262 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:07,433 that I ever met. 263 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:15,233 I later learned that he was mimicking 264 00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:17,443 his great idol, Sonny Liston, 265 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,689 who also was a surly, nasty guy. 266 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:28,033 The little boy that I really enjoyed from the Olympics 267 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:33,376 disappeared into this man who wanted to knock everyone out. 268 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:45,088 (SINGING IN AFRICAN LANGUAGE) 269 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:55,811 TRAMPLER: When Foreman signed to fight in Zaire 270 00:16:55,932 --> 00:16:58,060 against Muhammad Ali, 271 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,903 I felt bad for Ali. I-l honestly... 272 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:04,320 Great as he was, I said, "This guy's gonna get hurt." 273 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,910 ALI: How many fellas in here now picks George? Be truthful. Be men. 274 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,621 Tell the truth. John, raise your hand. 275 00:17:10,738 --> 00:17:13,617 (CROWD LAUGHS) 276 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,869 TRAMPLER: I remember watching that fight 277 00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:19,167 in the ABC offices with Howard Cosell 278 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:23,509 and Cosell, the hour before the fight happened, 279 00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:27,130 was telling everybody what a disgrace it was 280 00:17:27,255 --> 00:17:29,428 because Muhammad Ali, 281 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:33,053 who had meant so much, was going to be hurt seriously. 282 00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,021 I remember that as if it happened yesterday. 283 00:17:36,138 --> 00:17:41,019 REPORTER: The time may have come to say goodbye to Muhammad Ali 284 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:45,273 because very honestly I don't think he can beat George Foreman. 285 00:17:47,191 --> 00:17:51,992 JIM BROWN: I met George when I was assigned to the fight in Zaire 286 00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:57,119 and the network wanted me to get with George and spar. 287 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:04,467 And George came in and I never saw anybody pound a heavy bag 288 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,884 as hard as he pounded that bag. 289 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:10,132 So right away I told the producers 290 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,884 there's no chance that I'm gonna let this guy 291 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,512 hit me in my ribs and break my ribs. 292 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:23,235 I told Ali... "This man hits like a mule." 293 00:18:23,352 --> 00:18:27,357 "You know, he's got a great body. He's big and he's strong." 294 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:29,734 "I don't know how you're gonna do it, you know?" 295 00:18:32,903 --> 00:18:35,372 (CROWD CHANTS) 296 00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:42,038 FOREMAN: In Africa, I saw him maybe once passing by. 297 00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:44,757 The next time was in the ring. 298 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:48,128 And I remember his meeting me in the middle of the ring and he said, 299 00:18:48,252 --> 00:18:51,847 "George, when I fought Sonny Liston, you were just in high school. " 300 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,261 "You don't belong here." 301 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:56,306 And I almost laughed and I was mean at that time 302 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,772 because I never spent one day in high school. 303 00:18:59,889 --> 00:19:01,266 (CHUCKLES) 304 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,018 COMMENTATOR: Ali quickly across the round. 305 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,986 TRAMPLER: During the first few rounds 306 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,276 I'm watching Foreman whack them to the body. 307 00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:10,820 Just really punishing blows. 308 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:12,909 And I said, "Poor Ali. This..." 309 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:15,329 This... He didn't deserve this. 310 00:19:15,446 --> 00:19:18,165 COMMENTATOR: George Foreman backing Ali into the ropes. 311 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:21,001 That's a vicious left. Oh! 312 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:24,167 First round I tried to knock him out because the reporters said 313 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,916 he shouldn't last two rounds with George. 314 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,214 So I said, "In two rounds I'm gonna cream him." 315 00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:31,588 COMMENTATOR: Ali is taking some punishment. 316 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,465 Three rounds, rather than get a little conservative, 317 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:37,935 I tried to knock him out in the third found and the fourth and the fifth. 318 00:19:38,052 --> 00:19:41,272 About the sixth round I realize there's something going on. 319 00:19:41,389 --> 00:19:43,141 I'm not gonna be able to knock this guy out. 320 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:46,189 COMMENTATOR: This is the furthest that George Foreman has gone 321 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:49,109 in a fight since 1972. 322 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,528 He was looking for the homerun. 323 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:54,698 The homerun never came, so you, boom, the big shots. 324 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:58,039 And when you throw a big shot, it takes a lot out of you if you don't hit a guy. 325 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:04,792 ARUM: I initially believed that what I had feared was taking place 326 00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:08,166 because Ali, instead of boxing Foreman, 327 00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,669 went to the ropes and did the rope-a-dope, 328 00:20:11,794 --> 00:20:14,513 but Ali's plan, as we know now, 329 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,507 was to tire George out. 330 00:20:16,632 --> 00:20:20,603 COMMENTATOR: Ali sits back in the ropes and tells Foreman to come in. 331 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,102 Nobody could imagine that kind of strategy, 332 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,444 much less execute it, 333 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:31,610 except for one man in the world, Muhammad Ali. 334 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:35,281 FOREMAN: About the seventh round I thought I'd hit him with a good shot 335 00:20:35,443 --> 00:20:38,287 and he said, "Is that all you got, George?" 336 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:41,283 And I remember thinking not only is he talking crazy, 337 00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:45,332 but his voice is stronger now than in the earlier round. 338 00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:48,502 COMMENTATOR: A sneaky right hand. 339 00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:53,128 Another sneaky right hand. This time he works over the shoulder of Foreman. 340 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:55,630 (CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS) 341 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:02,512 COMMENTATOR: Three, four, five. 342 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:06,516 Foreman just stopped... Eight. 343 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,063 That's it. The fight is stopped! 344 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:12,940 Muhammad Ali, a dramatic eighth-round knockout. 345 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:14,782 COMMENTATOR: Look at that face. 346 00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:18,199 A man who can scarcely believe what has happened to him. 347 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:23,746 FOREMAN: I had lost my most precious heavyweight championship of the world. 348 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:28,462 That I remember like it was yesterday. 349 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,375 Hello there. How you doing? 350 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:37,506 One day I'd come through all of the guys in the skycaps in Meacham Airport 351 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,758 and they were afraid to look you in the eye. 352 00:21:39,882 --> 00:21:41,475 They were like, "That's the champ." 353 00:21:41,592 --> 00:21:43,890 And the next day you're going out to the same airport 354 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,184 and these guys are patting you on the shoulder, 355 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,024 "Oh, you'll get a second chance. You'll get another chance." 356 00:21:49,141 --> 00:21:54,648 From pride to pity. Devastation like I've never felt. 357 00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:58,367 Well, now, uh, I'm very anxious and I would... 358 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,907 I'm trem... I'm hoping with all my might 359 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:03,656 that I'll get a chance to fight the man again 360 00:22:03,781 --> 00:22:08,127 because for a fact, I didn't do 100% of what I could do. 361 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,871 It's a hard thing to live with, 362 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,249 losing something like the championship of the world. 363 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:16,002 I'd have fight that fight most nights... 364 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:19,463 and I'd be winning, winning, winning, 365 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,966 then I'd get knocked down 366 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:25,186 and by the time I jump up, I wake up out of the dream again. 367 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:28,897 I could not win that fight, not even in my dreams. 368 00:22:38,065 --> 00:22:39,908 This time, this man, you know, 369 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:43,992 got me to the point where I just distaste his prevalence in boxing. 370 00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:46,662 I really wanna beat him, more than anything in the world. 371 00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:50,332 Oh, that became the thing. That became an obsession. 372 00:22:54,123 --> 00:22:56,672 FOREMAN: This is the first time I wanted to beat somebody. 373 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,840 I've never felt like this before. 374 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:02,431 REPORTER: Do you think Ali's backing down from another meeting with you? 375 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:04,175 There's no telling what he's doing. 376 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:06,223 I would love a rematch. 377 00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:10,473 What really developed more was no more just anger, 378 00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,192 I even had hate for Muhammad Ali. 379 00:23:17,187 --> 00:23:19,235 (CROWD CHANTS) 380 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,163 And I don't know if you've heard, if you've heard of this story. 381 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,533 They were filming the movie The Greatest here. 382 00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,078 Sure enough, George shows up down there. 383 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,542 Ali asked him what was he doing down there. 384 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:41,216 He said, "I've been trying to find you. I want a rematch." 385 00:23:41,337 --> 00:23:43,886 You beat me before I get some sense. 386 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:47,055 You ain't got no sense... 387 00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:50,020 COOPER: And George gets... climbs up into the ring 388 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:52,390 and they get their (INDISTINCT) on and stuff 389 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:56,064 and some things was said that I can't repeat on this program. 390 00:23:56,185 --> 00:24:00,986 And George made some threats about blanking Ali's behind. 391 00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,075 Chairs started flying. 392 00:24:04,193 --> 00:24:06,287 (CROWD SHOUTS) 393 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:12,248 The police that were down there finally got him out of the building. 394 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,127 FOREMAN: I was fueled by a lot of anger. 395 00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:20,293 And I walked around with that for years. 396 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:23,258 DON KING: Don King and video techniques, 397 00:24:23,379 --> 00:24:27,885 bringing you new, innovative and imaginative ideas in boxing. 398 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,057 COOPER: As a confidence boost, one of the biggest mistakes he made 399 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,146 was when he decided to do the five-guy thing. 400 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:36,893 He fought these five guys, supposed to do three rounds with each guy. 401 00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:38,690 And some of them... 402 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:41,530 You and I could have knocked them out if we'd had fought them. 403 00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:44,867 How do you condition yourself for going up against five guys? 404 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,112 How can you possibly train for a fight like this? 405 00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:49,785 I do the normal things, running up the hills. 406 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:51,657 Uh, then I've got a program now 407 00:24:51,782 --> 00:24:54,456 where I pick up my actual 500- and 600-pound steers, 408 00:24:54,576 --> 00:24:56,670 put them on my back and walk up hills with them. 409 00:24:56,787 --> 00:24:59,461 That's been the newest thing that I've added to my repertoire. 410 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,710 And I'm gonna let five fresh guys come in, three rounds each. 411 00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:05,805 If either one of them beat me, I'll retire. I'm through with boxing. 412 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,299 (BELL muss) 413 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:12,224 COMMENTATOR: The bell for round one. Quickly to ring center. 414 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:16,724 I think George was looking for a way to move forward, 415 00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:20,979 get rid of the loss in Zaire and go forward from there. 416 00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:25,654 Maybe losing was too much for him to absorb. 417 00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:28,653 COSELL: Even those closest to George Foreman 418 00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:33,499 have been concerned that he's not been the same man ever since Ali beat him. 419 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:36,914 BROWN: The humiliation. 420 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:40,791 The fact that you can no longer have this bravado. 421 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:44,009 Just being humbled in the worst way. 422 00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:49,132 Uh, it's reaching down and becoming real with yourself. 423 00:25:49,298 --> 00:25:51,892 COSELL: What is happening there? 424 00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:53,261 Foreman is not himself. 425 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,183 He's going after the kid again. 426 00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,478 Needlessly, for no reason! He's beaten. 427 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,693 This is an absurd scene. 428 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,938 Now there's gonna be a fight between the trainers. 429 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:05,986 Totally out of control. 430 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:11,112 MERCHANT: Do I think that, that George was operating from some kind of script 431 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:12,988 to set up a rematch? 432 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:14,786 Sure, that's possible. 433 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:18,912 But you can't do all of those things 434 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:22,540 and it's all fiction. 435 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:27,215 It has to come from some real place deep within you to execute that. 436 00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:28,462 (CROWD BOOS) 437 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,885 COSELL: Look at him walking around, 438 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:34,101 looking at the fans who are booing him. 439 00:26:34,218 --> 00:26:38,268 This has to be a downright ugly scene. 440 00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:47,782 BROWN: That fight in Zaire 441 00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:52,950 put him through a lot of soul-searching days 442 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:56,870 where he had to deal with making decisions on who he was. 443 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:02,751 COOPER: He signs for a fight with Ron Lyle. 444 00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:04,965 I don't know if you've ever seen this fight. 445 00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:08,006 The fight starts. Bam! 446 00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:09,720 Knockdowns everywhere. 447 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,839 COMMENTATOR: He's in big trouble! 448 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,467 COOPER: What happened was he came out trying to box 449 00:27:14,591 --> 00:27:17,219 and he got hit upside the chin 450 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:18,641 and the boxing skills, 451 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:21,857 the late Gil Clancy, who was a teacher, had taught him, 452 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,601 they went out to the wind. 453 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:26,569 COMMENT AT 0R: ...lands a big left hook... 454 00:27:26,687 --> 00:27:29,315 COOPER: And the fight became a street fight. 455 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:31,658 They knuckled down the other way. 456 00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:36,246 COMMENTATOR: What a round of boxing this is! Big left hook! 457 00:27:36,363 --> 00:27:37,785 A third, fourth... 458 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,000 (INDISTINCT COMMENTARY) 459 00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:42,370 Can he get this drawn? 460 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,964 George is staggering now. George is hit with a vicious left hook. 461 00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:48,004 Inside of ten seconds to go. 462 00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,423 And George is ready to go, believe it or not. 463 00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:51,966 There it is! 464 00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:54,135 He drops the champion! 465 00:27:54,256 --> 00:27:58,932 FOREMAN: I remember him hitting me so hard and I'm on the floor thinking, 466 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,397 "What excuses have you got now?" 467 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,438 Cos I remember thinking the ropes were loose in Africa, 468 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:09,105 someone put something in my water. I had all kind of excuses. 469 00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:11,774 This time, couldn't think of an excuse. 470 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:13,446 I had to get up. 471 00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,992 COMMENTATOR: George gets up. This is one of the great rounds of all time. 472 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,457 FOREMAN: And I remember thinking, "Before I lose, 473 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,042 I'll die." 474 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,207 "So he's gonna have to kill me tonight." 475 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:29,758 I'd never felt that before. 476 00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:33,337 I'll die first. 477 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,052 (CROWD CHEERS) 478 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,768 (BELL muss) 479 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:50,608 COOPER: Now, he's maybe a step or two away from a championship fight... 480 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:55,944 and he decides to take a fight with Jimmy Young. 481 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,408 FOREMAN: I'm back number one contender of the world 482 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:07,003 and commissions were saying, "Look, if George Foreman fights Jimmy Young, 483 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,543 the winner of that fight, if George wins, 484 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:12,214 we're gonna demand Ali fight Foreman 485 00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,132 or he's gonna be stripped of his title." 486 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:20,892 This arena may have had a ceiling fan or two in it. 487 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:23,512 No air conditioner. And it was hot. 488 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:25,352 (BELL muss) 489 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,566 I was drenched when the fight was over myself. 490 00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:30,983 COMMENTATOR: To begin round one, scheduled for 12. 491 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,698 TRAMPLER: I was in Puerto Rico when he fought Jimmy Young. 492 00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:36,738 COMMENTATOR: Foreman is staggered. 493 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,781 TRAMPLER: He got dropped in the fight. 494 00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,740 It was a bad style for him. 495 00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:46,334 A smart boxer, a guy who could move. 496 00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:47,623 (BELL muss) 497 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:50,293 (CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS) 498 00:29:50,414 --> 00:29:54,294 FOREMAN: Going to a decision, Jimmy Young had won that boxing match. 499 00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,007 All I can remember that night is I was tired. 500 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:03,477 That was the most heat I'd ever felt in my life. 501 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,767 I went back to my dressing room and then I went on the trip of my life, 502 00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:11,893 fighting for my life in the dressing room. 503 00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:13,737 I was gonna die. 504 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:18,025 Right in my thoughts I heard, "Why you afraid to die?" 505 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,743 I was scared. 506 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,285 I was gonna die in a stupid, nasty dressing room 507 00:30:23,405 --> 00:30:25,078 that didn't even have air conditioning. 508 00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,793 I had all these homes and I tried to make a deal. 509 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:31,504 I said, "I'm still George Foreman." 510 00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:34,090 "I can box and I can give money to charity and cancer." 511 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:38,508 And I heard a voice within me say, "I don't want your money. I want you." 512 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:42,804 I remember a tear came. I was like, "Oh, death?" 513 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,393 My leg gave out on me and I said, "Hey, y'all, I'm fixing it." 514 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,066 Before I could say another word, I was dead. 515 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,441 Over my head, under my feet, around me was nothing. 516 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:03,321 Just a horrible old smell of death and I was in this dump yard of nothing. 517 00:31:03,445 --> 00:31:05,664 TRAMPLER: I had guys on the undercard that day 518 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:09,456 and I went into the dressing room and I heard the shouting and the commotion 519 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:12,750 and it was a sight you'll never forget. 520 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,168 It just... 521 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:19,341 I mean, I actually ran out of the room because I was so concerned about George. 522 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,510 I started screaming, "Jesus Christ is coming alive in me." 523 00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:26,306 Boy, they put the tomahawk and full-nelson on me trying to hold me 524 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,269 because I'd taken off my clothes. 525 00:31:28,387 --> 00:31:29,934 I said, "I gotta go tell the world!" 526 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,604 I guess they were saying, "Put some clothes on, George." 527 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,352 I followed eight men to get into a shower and started screaming, 528 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:37,946 "Hallelujah, I'm clean! Hallelujah, I'm born again!" 529 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,907 They finally strapped me down, held me down on the table 530 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,571 and I started reciting the Bible. 531 00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:47,289 I kissed everyone in the room, told them I loved them. I just couldn't stop. 532 00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,917 COOPER: I was outside the locker room. 533 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,038 I didn't know what was going on in that room, 534 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:57,632 but he went through something for about an hour at least, 535 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:00,844 in the dressing room with all the screaming and hollering going on. 536 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,588 I said, "Wait! Don't let Jesus go!" 537 00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:04,385 Cos I know he was going. 538 00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:08,306 Finally, I said, "Now go to my father which is in heaven." Boom! 539 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,772 And I was left in this dressing room just as embarrassed. 540 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:16,481 I said, "You witnessed a miracle and you're not gonna believe it." 541 00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:20,731 That happened to me and for ten years I didn't even make a fist. 542 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:22,574 I didn't shadowbox, I didn't box. 543 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,989 I left it and became an evangelist 544 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,704 with the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. 545 00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:31,041 FOREMAN SINGS: ♪ We are climbing 546 00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:38,003 ♪ Jacob's ladder 547 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:42,256 ♪ We are climbing 548 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:47,804 ♪ Yes, Jacob's ladder a' 549 00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:50,973 FOREMAN: Everyone thought I was crazy. Everyone. 550 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:52,562 And I just couldn't box any more. 551 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,477 I'd go to the gym originally 552 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:58,819 and that punching bag was Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, Ken Norton. 553 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:01,984 I went in there it was just rag, piece of leather, 554 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,528 and it wasn't anybody any more and I couldn't do that. 555 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,322 I just stopped boxing. 556 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:09,663 Even my mom thought I was crazy. 557 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:11,406 She said, "Our families were saying 558 00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:14,000 we need to put George in a rest home, you know." 559 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,672 COOPER: He cut his hairstyle. 560 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,919 He changed his wearing of clothes. 561 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,509 And then this happened. He started giving away stuff. 562 00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:33,805 He was giving away cars, big-screen TVs, furniture, everything. 563 00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:36,182 And for ten years he didn't watch television. 564 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,527 FOREMAN JR: He used to tell us about the cars he had 565 00:33:41,645 --> 00:33:45,366 and tell us about the homes he had in Beverly Hills 566 00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:48,235 and River Oaks in Houston, 567 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,331 but I'd never seen them and I thought he was telling us about a fairy tale. 568 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:57,043 COOPER: He went from 220 or whatever, 230 at that time, 569 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,583 all the way up to 300 pounds. 570 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,456 And people laughed at him 571 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,717 and criticized him, called him all kind of names. 572 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:12,555 BROWN: Well, I went to his home 573 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:16,142 and there were some tremendous changes in his life. 574 00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:21,019 That's the night that I got knocked out in Africa. 575 00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,271 And that's to remind me that God had mercy on me. 576 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:27,570 BROWN: One of the beautiful things that he did is he acknowledged 577 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:31,362 the ability of Muhammad Ali and acknowledged that loss 578 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:35,036 and put a shrine up in his home 579 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,750 and gave Ali all the credit in the world. 580 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,416 This is the proof that I was in the fight with him. 581 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:43,381 He punched me right on the eye. (LAUGHS) 582 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:47,844 BROWN: I hadn't had an athlete that could accept defeat 583 00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:52,091 and recognize the greatness of another man the way he did. 584 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,843 In the world, I-l actually hated him. 585 00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,938 And today, he's like one of my children, to be honest with you. 586 00:34:58,054 --> 00:35:00,477 I talk with him all the time. I love him now. 587 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,986 I'd found me. Really found myself. 588 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:09,074 And I was ordained an evangelist at the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. 589 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:13,070 And from that point on, I was the preacher. 590 00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:16,873 To be honest with you, I didn't think that was truly God. 591 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,914 All the people I'd seen gravitate to that were poor people, 592 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:21,287 broken-hearted people. 593 00:35:21,411 --> 00:35:24,711 You see someone's husband leave them, then they have a Bible or some guy 594 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:28,131 come out of jail after so many years, he has a Bible. 595 00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:30,674 I said, "That's not me." Or broke people. 596 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:32,263 I didn't believe in religion. 597 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,725 My mom said, "Oh, Lord," but I thought that was cos she was broke all the time. 598 00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:40,598 In my life, I had not been sold on anything, boxing or anything, 599 00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:42,474 but once I found my religion, 600 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:47,446 I was sold and I started to talk and it was about keeping me quiet then. 601 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:48,939 (CHUCKLES) 602 00:35:49,064 --> 00:35:51,738 Jesus! Jesus! 603 00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:55,579 I put down boxing and everything that had to do with boxing, 604 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,665 so that people could learn about Jesus Christ. 605 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:01,456 TRAMPLER: One day I was with some friends and they said, 606 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,045 "There's George Foreman preaching on the corner." 607 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,210 And I-l didn't go up and say anything. 608 00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:12,088 I actually was a little uncomfortable that he was in that position. 609 00:36:12,212 --> 00:36:13,805 God is a wake-up artist. 610 00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:17,555 When God say you got to move, you got to move! 611 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,230 BROWN: I'm not really like a guy that wants to be baptized. 612 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:24,315 Anything like that. 613 00:36:24,432 --> 00:36:30,235 But I had so much respect for him, I decided I would let him baptize me. 614 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,574 And I'm so happy that I did that... 615 00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:39,828 because he proved to be everything that a man should be after that. 616 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,920 LAMPLEY: There's a moment somewhere in there when George has kind of epiphany 617 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:49,132 and says to himself, "I'm not really a mean-spirited SOB." 618 00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:50,671 "That's not me." 619 00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:54,046 Now I can't understand how another man would ball up his fist 620 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,844 and put on gloves and try and knock another man unconscious. 621 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:59,764 I just can't see it. I don't understand how I did it. 622 00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,306 I couldn't do that again. 623 00:37:01,428 --> 00:37:03,522 (CHOIR SINGS AMAZING GRACE) 624 00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:09,319 FOREMAN: There's a Bible scripture and it goes like this. 625 00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:13,407 "Let your light so shine before men 626 00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:15,446 that they may see your good works 627 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,411 and glorify your father, which is in heaven." 628 00:37:18,528 --> 00:37:22,123 What I try to do now is... Talk is cheap. 629 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,913 It's all living. 630 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,252 And maybe by my life, they can see the light. 631 00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:28,463 (CHOIR SINGS AMAZING GRACE) 632 00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:48,521 This is where it all started and finished with me and boxing. 633 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:51,690 This is the last ring I worked out in. 634 00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:54,781 It was constructive for me, so to speak. 635 00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:58,277 And then hopefully it'll be the home of another George Foreman. 636 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:09,163 There were some kids that their parents wanted me to help them with boxing 637 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:13,008 and get them in the ring and get them off the streets, the mothers did. 638 00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:14,842 That prompt me to take my life savings, 639 00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,303 start the George Foreman Youth and Community Center, 640 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,797 along with my brother, Roy. 641 00:38:18,922 --> 00:38:23,052 I started a hangout, never a sermon, just a hangout with them. 642 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:25,016 And it doesn't matter what people think, 643 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:28,561 so long as I don't drop that baton Lyndon Johnson gave me, 644 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:31,184 1965, when he pulled me out of the gutter, 645 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,186 and it didn't matter what people thought. 646 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,860 He said, "I'm going to help George Foreman and guys like him." 647 00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:39,484 FOREMAN JR: When he opened the George Foreman Youth Centre, 648 00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:41,407 he was happy going to do that every day. 649 00:38:41,528 --> 00:38:44,077 I mean, really, I would get in, jump in the car with him 650 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,121 and he was motivated to go to the Youth Center and work with kids. 651 00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,711 Doing a good evangelistic work was one thing, 652 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:53,708 but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose the reach on the young kids, 653 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,802 and I had to find a happy medium where I could meet up with these kids 654 00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,795 and not push any religion on them. 655 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,012 Just try to get... 656 00:39:00,129 --> 00:39:02,848 Get yourself together, your mind and your body. 657 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:06,095 Then you'll find if kids start thinking about themselves in that area, 658 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:07,892 they start taking care of their soul. 659 00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:17,613 The Youth Center started to take every dime I could get, 660 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:19,607 and I started speaking around the country 661 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,325 to support the Youth Center. 662 00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:24,321 Once, one of the preachers who had me and hosted me said, 663 00:39:24,445 --> 00:39:27,073 "We're gonna raise money for George Foreman and his kids," 664 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:28,575 and I stayed there for three days. 665 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:34,423 And as he was raising money, the people looking at me behind the pulpit. 666 00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:38,169 He said, "This isn't enough money! Surely we can help George more." 667 00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,546 I never felt so ashamed in my life. 668 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,889 FOREMAN JR: He was used to being rich and taking care of things 669 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:48,728 and he didn't have that any more. 670 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:53,016 That's what made him really start thinking 671 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:57,817 about how he could keep that open and make a future, 672 00:39:57,937 --> 00:40:01,032 not only for the kids at the Youth Center, but his family. 673 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,164 FOREMAN: And I remember saying right there, 674 00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:11,034 "I'll never ask anyone for money again." 675 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,379 "I'm gonna be heavyweight champion. That's how I'll get my money." 676 00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:20,302 I went to my wife and told her, "Look..." 677 00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:25,136 "I just... I've run out of money. I'm gonna have to go back into boxing." 678 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,975 She pleaded, "Don't do it. They're gonna kill you, George." 679 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:29,469 "You're not that guy anymore." 680 00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,520 And I even brought my kids around and told them. 681 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,444 Of course when your father says, "I'm gonna come back to boxing 682 00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:40,984 and be the heavyweight champion of the world," 683 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,483 you say, "OK, Dad." 684 00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:49,115 But I'd never seen him skip rope, never seen him put on any boxing trunks, 685 00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:53,493 never seen him hit the bag, never seen him do anything like that. 686 00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:57,668 FOREMAN: First thing I did was get on the scale. 687 00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,917 315 pounds. 688 00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,591 I said, "Oh, no," so I thought, "I need better scales." (LAUGHS) 689 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:08,140 FOREMAN JR". The early days of training 690 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,181 before he started putting a lot of miles jogging, 691 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:15,682 he would walk and I would see him walk around the backyard, 692 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:20,779 walk around the track, and use pennies to count his laps. 693 00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:26,238 FOREMAN: Then I made an announcement to my friends I was coming back. 694 00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:27,576 The newspaper got a hold to it 695 00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:31,369 and they start talking about me as bad as they could. 696 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,207 What are you making of George Foreman? 697 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,999 It's a living advertisement for why boxing should be abolished. 698 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,589 People just don't come back after ten years 699 00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:42,755 and perform at the highest levels of their craft. 700 00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:46,345 He has gone from being spectacular to becoming a spectacle. 701 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,229 COOPER: They thought it was a joke. They thought he was just a big joke. 702 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:58,395 And that he would flop and fall flat on his face. 703 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:03,146 Tomorrow night veteran boxer George Foreman will put on the gloves 704 00:42:03,271 --> 00:42:07,242 and climb back into the ring after almost a decade in retirement. 705 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,827 Some sceptics think that this is just ridiculous. 706 00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:11,787 Foreman is just too old. 707 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,743 FOREMAN JR: When he was in Sacramento, California 708 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:22,125 and he fought a gentleman named Steve Zouski, I believe, 709 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:25,752 and he was in the ring and he had his shirt off. 710 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,881 I don't remember seeing my father with his shirt off before, 711 00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:31,975 so he took that shirt off and that was a big deal. 712 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,388 And he was throwing punches. 713 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:37,855 I had never seen my actual father throwing punches. 714 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,896 COMMENTATOR: The basic questions about Foreman's comeback. 715 00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:43,861 His age, at around 40. 716 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,322 FOREMAN: I had to start from the bottom. 717 00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:49,033 COMMENT AT OR: And also the quality of his opponents. 718 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:51,073 FOREMAN: The minor leagues all over again. 719 00:42:51,194 --> 00:42:53,993 I was back in the back of the bus. (CHUCKLES) 720 00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:56,912 COMMENTATOR: The inactivity. He was out for ten years. 721 00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:01,209 COOPER: He started off fighting you and I. 722 00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,128 Guys like you and I nobody never heard of. 723 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:07,969 COMMENT AT OR: He started the comeback at 325 pounds. 724 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,175 FOREMAN: I knew I wouldn't be able to take up 725 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,219 where I'd left off ten years ago. 726 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:15,970 I was not as fast any more because of the extra weight. 727 00:43:16,094 --> 00:43:19,018 I would have to change my style. 728 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:24,395 COMMENTATOR: And George Foreman is now 11 for 11 in his comeback bid. 729 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,773 REPORTER: Boxing smart money says George Foreman's comeback is a fraud, 730 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:31,944 that flattening one palooka after another is little more than flim-flam. 731 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:35,910 FERDIE PACHECO: He fought 19 people 732 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,125 that were what we call in the parlance of boxing, dead men. 733 00:43:39,242 --> 00:43:42,872 "Stiffs" is another word. "Tomato cans" is another word. 734 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:46,086 What they mean is they were not opponents that would fight back. 735 00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:49,086 They were opponents that were there to get knocked out. 736 00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:52,388 FOREMAN: I kept boxing. City to city. 737 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:55,759 Every reporter would take a shot at me. "George is this..." 738 00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:58,511 And they'd come out and give me long pieces too. 739 00:43:58,636 --> 00:43:59,888 "He'll never do it." 740 00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,606 And they just take up the paper criticizing me. 741 00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:07,236 In the same time, they were making me all famous again. 742 00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:19,867 ARUM: I had heard that he had had a couple of fights... 743 00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:24,207 and out of the blue I got a call from him 744 00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:26,797 and he wanted me to promote him, 745 00:44:27,832 --> 00:44:30,756 but I remembered the old George Foreman. 746 00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,676 And I told him that I had no interest 747 00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:37,141 in subjecting myself to that kind of person. 748 00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:43,265 He says, "Look, I'm getting on a plane and I'm coming to see you anyway." 749 00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:47,727 And he sits down and starts talking to me. 750 00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:51,106 I sort of scratched my head and I said, 751 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:55,781 "This is the best con man that I had ever, ever met," 752 00:44:55,902 --> 00:45:02,581 because he was respectful, he was nice, he was intelligent. 753 00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:06,292 And I said, you know, "He's, he's putting me on," 754 00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:08,915 which is the most amazing thing 755 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,259 because the new George Foreman 756 00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:13,753 turned out to be the real George Foreman. 757 00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:20,264 Without further ado, the Chairman of the Board of Top Rank, Bob Arum. 758 00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:22,011 (APPLAUSE) 759 00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:23,388 Thank you. 760 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,691 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming. 761 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:33,440 This press conference is to announce the fight that everybody is talking about, 762 00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:39,446 the preacher, George Foreman, against the puncher, Gerry Cooney. 763 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,368 That fight, I was nervous. 764 00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:43,583 Gerry Cooney was a big guy 765 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,326 and had a heavy punch. 766 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,257 EVANDER HOLYHELD: Now he finally got somebody whose arms is longer than his. 767 00:45:51,374 --> 00:45:54,423 He's not the peak guy no more. 768 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:59,390 What happens when a man fight somebody his size? 769 00:45:59,507 --> 00:46:01,601 - (BELL DINGS) - COMMENTATOR: Here we go! 770 00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:06,681 COONEY: I thought I was gonna win. 771 00:46:06,806 --> 00:46:07,978 (LAUGHS) 772 00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:11,694 But, you know, some days you get the eggs and some days you get the shells. 773 00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:16,445 COMMENTATOR: Oh! And look at the left come up and slice right. 774 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:19,990 And Gerry Cooney's in big trouble. He's ready to go! 775 00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,658 And there he goes! 776 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,703 ANNOUNCER: Two! Three! Four! 777 00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,451 COMMENTATOR: And he is badly hurt! 778 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,169 TRAMPLER: That was like George's coming-out party. 779 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:34,384 I'm back, I'm a legitimate contender, and, Holyfield, you're in trouble. 780 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,344 And I'm like, "Wow. You know what?" 781 00:46:37,461 --> 00:46:40,340 "He is slow, but it do connect." 782 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,558 COMMENTATOR: Oh! And that's it! 783 00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:44,598 And I don't think... This fight's over. 784 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,266 HOLYFIELD: Boom! 785 00:46:46,387 --> 00:46:48,389 That was it! Folded good! 786 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:51,684 COMMENTATOR: George Foreman... 787 00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:57,653 makes believers of some, definitely of Gerry Cooney. 788 00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,784 LAMPLEY: It wasn't just a knockout. It was an easy knockout. 789 00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:08,205 And that raised eyebrows and that got the public starting to think, 790 00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:11,546 "Oh, you know, he's still George Foreman." 791 00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:14,791 "He still has that unbelievable punching power, 792 00:47:14,915 --> 00:47:16,167 even though he's got a belly 793 00:47:16,292 --> 00:47:18,841 and he looks like he's shambling around in his pajamas." 794 00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:21,055 "He's, he's still got something." 795 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,511 HOLYHELD: At that time I was the heavyweight champion of the world 796 00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:30,936 and I was like, "You had your time, but it's my time now." 797 00:47:31,057 --> 00:47:34,732 COMMENTATOR: And we have a new heavyweight champion of the world, 798 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,354 Evander Holyfield. 799 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:38,106 In my estimation, Evander Holyfield 800 00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:42,076 could be one of the three greatest heavyweights that ever lived. 801 00:47:42,193 --> 00:47:44,992 Here's a guy who's light heavyweight champion, 802 00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:49,000 cruiserweight champion, heavyweight champion of the world. 803 00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,620 COMMENTATOR: Down goes McDonagh through the ropes! 804 00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:55,749 WEPNER: I mean, this guy makes no mistakes in the ring. 805 00:47:58,417 --> 00:48:01,296 FOREMAN: He was champion of the world. He needed lots of money. 806 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:05,095 And the only one who had done publicity enough was George Foreman. 807 00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,968 I'm just a big old baby boomer 808 00:48:07,093 --> 00:48:09,721 and I'm gonna lower a boom on that baby, Evander Holyfield. 809 00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:10,809 MAN: George Foreman. 810 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,184 Mr. Foreman, if you think you're gonna beat me, 811 00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:15,560 you off of your rocker. 812 00:48:15,684 --> 00:48:19,814 MAN: Evander Holyfield. April 19th live from Trump Plaza, TVKO. 813 00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:23,318 ARUM: From then on it was like a real wild ride 814 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:28,573 because the, the press was on his case, 815 00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:32,372 A, because he was relatively old for a fighter, 816 00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,336 you know, hadn't fought in 10 years, 817 00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:36,956 and, B, he was a little heavy. 818 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,083 Heavyweight contender George Foreman 819 00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:41,927 who was born with a fork in his hand and a smile on his face... 820 00:48:42,044 --> 00:48:45,264 One of the fighters takes that description "heavyweight" 821 00:48:45,381 --> 00:48:46,473 very seriously. 822 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,013 REPORTER: The clock will not go back. 823 00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,263 That is not a fact, what you're saying. 824 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,857 The fact is I can become heavyweight champion if I want to at any age. 825 00:48:54,974 --> 00:48:58,069 We talked about the age thing 826 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:01,689 and that's when he came up with the idea 827 00:49:01,814 --> 00:49:05,660 that age is just a number and it really doesn't mean anything. 828 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:10,373 When I knock him out, there'll be no if, ands and buts about it. 829 00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:12,662 The age of 40 is not a death sentence after all. 830 00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:15,832 My mama always taught me to respect my elder. 831 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,751 - (CROWD LAUGHS) - But... 832 00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:23,253 ARUM: But he was very sensitive with people making fun of his weight 833 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:27,427 and I said, "George, we're gonna play this for all it's worth." 834 00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:32,019 So at the press conference I had the waiters at the hotel 835 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,972 with platters of hamburgers come in 836 00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:37,475 and that picture went all over. 837 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,652 The fight would have never been what it came out to be 838 00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:44,819 if it wasn't for George. 839 00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:48,911 The preaching really helped me because I'd learned to sell. 840 00:49:49,028 --> 00:49:51,122 FOREMAN: When I get in the ring with Holyfield, 841 00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:56,290 you're gonna see a guy closer to 50 than he is to... to 20 842 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,629 jump in the ring, 843 00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:01,499 too big for the title belt to fit around his waist. 844 00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:03,626 (CROWD LAUGHS) 845 00:50:03,751 --> 00:50:05,970 FOREMAN: I'd get on the television, for a second 846 00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:08,805 and I'd look at the camera and say, "Yeah, they say I'm 40." 847 00:50:08,923 --> 00:50:12,097 "Yes, they say I'm 50, but I'm gonna show you, it's not a death sentence." 848 00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:15,313 "I can be the heavyweight champion of the world." Boom! 849 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:20,060 Finally, they start giving me ten second, 20 second, then 30 seconds. 850 00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:22,812 HOLYHELD: People loved him! 851 00:50:22,937 --> 00:50:25,986 He made all his fame work. 852 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:30,657 And, you know, at that time it was the biggest payday they ever had, 853 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,247 in boxing, because of George. 854 00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:38,621 There was 15 million cable homes 855 00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:42,544 that could buy the fight on Pay-Per-View 856 00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:46,545 and we sold a 1,500,000 homes. 857 00:50:46,669 --> 00:50:52,347 10%, a little over 10%, which nobody's ever done before or since. 858 00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:55,515 I'm gonna be the next heavyweight champion of the world. It's my destiny. 859 00:50:55,636 --> 00:50:57,183 Nobody can stop me. 860 00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,398 I'm not the best fighter in the world, 861 00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,769 but I've got something that every fighter needs, the third punch. 862 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:04,895 If I throw and miss you with my left, boom, 863 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,149 and miss you with my right, boom, then I'll belly-bump you. 864 00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:10,026 (CROWD LAUGHS, APPLAUDS) 865 00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:14,989 FOREMAN JR: I remember him holding up a big tray of hamburgers 866 00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:17,208 and say that he was gonna eat Baskin Robbins 867 00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,201 and he was gonna belly-bump him. 868 00:51:19,368 --> 00:51:23,794 And I was thinking, "Whoa, I think you better take this guy serious." 869 00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,838 COMMENTATOR: And now, to enter the ring first, 870 00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:31,635 the unlikely central figure in this six-month comic opera, 871 00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,974 which is about to become a savage drama. 872 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,513 George Foreman. 873 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,393 And of course you have to differentiate and say, 874 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:42,357 "This is serious, the fight, George." 875 00:51:42,474 --> 00:51:43,942 I had to keep telling myself that 876 00:51:44,059 --> 00:51:48,280 because I'd done so much promotional work for this boxing match. 877 00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:52,402 And of course I'd put myself on the scale of all these kids 878 00:51:52,526 --> 00:51:53,994 watching me and friends. 879 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:55,909 I couldn't be this angry old guy. 880 00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:59,500 I had to learn how to win without any trace of anger. 881 00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:02,540 ANNOUNCER: It's the battle of the ages. 882 00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:06,757 Twelve rounds of boxing for the heavyweight championship of the world. 883 00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,297 FOREMAN: The night of that Holyfield fight was a scary moment for me 884 00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:15,140 because they all looked over... It was Muhammad Ali. 885 00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:18,261 Here's the guy who had dethroned me all those years. 886 00:52:18,385 --> 00:52:20,479 (CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS) 887 00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:27,436 He walked over and whispered, 888 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,360 "Oh, you're gonna be champ, you're gonna be champ." 889 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,705 And still there was enough skepticism 890 00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:39,823 that there weren't many people on the ground 891 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:45,000 who really expected that George could be competitive against Evander Holyfield. 892 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,624 April 9, 1991, Atlantic City. That was when the... 893 00:52:48,749 --> 00:52:54,301 That was when the, the comeback took on an entirely different character. 894 00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:56,344 COMMENTATOR: And now let's see. 895 00:52:56,465 --> 00:52:58,593 ls George Foreman for real 896 00:52:58,717 --> 00:53:02,972 or is this the farce that many critics have said it will be? 897 00:53:05,182 --> 00:53:08,857 Budding left hand from Foreman and Holyfield backs onto the ropes. 898 00:53:08,977 --> 00:53:10,650 Crowd gets excited. 899 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,909 Power to the body from Foreman. 900 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,778 Holyfield not as resolute all of a sudden. 901 00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:20,364 Closing stages of round two 902 00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:23,117 and Evander is suddenly much more careful. 903 00:53:23,242 --> 00:53:26,917 Now you're watching that and suddenly you realize this is a serious fight. 904 00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:28,505 This is a very serious fight. 905 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:32,502 And Foreman has a chance against the heavyweight champion of the world. 906 00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:38,050 COMMENTATOR: Right hand on the surface of Holyfield's head 907 00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:40,676 and he's momentarily stunned. 908 00:53:40,801 --> 00:53:43,350 Now he steps back up inside. 909 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,143 But if there were any remaining doubts 910 00:53:45,264 --> 00:53:47,562 about the legitimacy of George's chances, 911 00:53:47,683 --> 00:53:50,778 he may have erased them in the last 30 seconds. 912 00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:52,521 (BELL muss) 913 00:53:52,646 --> 00:53:54,944 (CROWD CHEERS) 914 00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:01,872 I never in my whole career fought nobody that was stronger than George. 915 00:54:03,157 --> 00:54:05,410 George caught me one time in that fight 916 00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,413 and I thought he knocked all my teeth out. 917 00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:10,539 And I go back to the corner. 918 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:13,042 I said, "Did he knock all my teeth out?" Like this. 919 00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:14,589 They said, "Everything is OK." 920 00:54:16,128 --> 00:54:18,551 There wasn't a fighter that I can't push back. 921 00:54:18,672 --> 00:54:20,640 I couldn't push George at all. 922 00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:23,432 And so all right, you know, I realize that, "OK, then, 923 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,476 but I got these other skills that he don't have." 924 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,559 COMMENTATOR: But in the closing minute of the round, 925 00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:30,935 George landed those gloves 926 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:34,154 and now Evander seems anxious to set things right. 927 00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:38,275 Left, right, left by Holyfield! 928 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,949 And a left and a right and Foreman's in serious trouble. 929 00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:43,037 Another left hook and a right! 930 00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,250 FOREMAN JR: Now, seeing my father get hit with 21 straight punches? 931 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:48,334 COMMENTATOR: Will George go down? 932 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:50,079 FOREMAN JR: You don't wanna see that. 933 00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:55,426 But all he taught us was, "Keep fighting, keep fighting." 934 00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:01,052 COMMENTATOR: A lobbing right hand and Holyfield grabs and holds on. 935 00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,050 George still with some shock. 936 00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:10,315 FOREMAN JR: The last thing I remember was Holyfield holding my father, 937 00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:13,060 while my father was still trying to give that last punch. 938 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,985 HOLYHELD: When it came to that, the last round that everybody said, 939 00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,199 "Why did you hold the old man?" 940 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,911 I said, "But I won 11 rounds. I wasn't gonna let him." 941 00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:27,283 "Is it mean for me to hold him?" I was gonna hold him that last round. 942 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:30,752 I wasn't gonna let... You gonna have one good round and you gonna win? 943 00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:34,043 No. No, listen. Not with me. 944 00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,541 (CROWD CHEERS) 945 00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:38,715 COMMENT AT OR: And the crowd is up on its feet. 946 00:55:38,836 --> 00:55:42,136 And then the crowd standing 947 00:55:42,256 --> 00:55:44,975 and giving him an ovation and really cheering. 948 00:55:45,092 --> 00:55:48,266 ANNOUNCER: The winner by unanimous decision 949 00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:53,689 and still undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, 950 00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:59,907 the real deal, Evander Holyfield. 951 00:56:02,568 --> 00:56:05,447 FOREMAN JR: And that's when I knew, you know what? 952 00:56:05,571 --> 00:56:08,745 He might have lost the fight, but he won that night. 953 00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:14,330 You know we've got a big show this week. We've got a special guest. 954 00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:15,546 A very special guest. 955 00:56:15,664 --> 00:56:19,339 The former and maybe future heavyweight champion of the world. 956 00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:23,805 Let's bring him out here, Mr. More Power himself, George Foreman. Yeah! 957 00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:25,924 (AUDIENCE CHEERS) 958 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,972 FOREMAN JR". The first time I noticed 959 00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:31,142 that his fame and profile was really getting noticed 960 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,684 was when he was on a Nike Bo Jackson commercial. 961 00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:42,657 FOREMAN JR: As a kid, "Bo knows" was everything. 962 00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:47,371 And then there was a George Foreman and Bo Jackson commercial 963 00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:48,864 and it said "George knows". 964 00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:50,366 Hit it! 965 00:56:53,076 --> 00:56:55,625 I thought, "Wow! He's famous." 966 00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:58,875 I am not going to pay a lot for this muffler! 967 00:56:58,999 --> 00:57:01,548 By George, I think he's got it! 968 00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:03,170 FOREMAN: Endorsements came in. 969 00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:05,923 So many things came in 970 00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:09,177 and it soaked up my life. I enjoyed that part of it. I really did. 971 00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:16,689 LAMPLEY: You can go a long way in America if the smile looks genuine. 972 00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:19,152 And George's smile is for real. 973 00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:22,864 FOREMAN: I did a commercial once. It was Doritos. 974 00:57:22,981 --> 00:57:27,703 I never eat Doritos. I'm in the room. They had them out there with dips. 975 00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:29,863 I started eating those things. 976 00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:33,367 I'd eat so many bags of those things. 977 00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,618 I love those things. 978 00:57:34,743 --> 00:57:38,873 Then they started shooting the commercial. Who could deny Doritos? 979 00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:42,342 George, how many pounds away are we from 225 pounds? 980 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:43,836 Uh, not that far away. 981 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,931 If I look a little heavy, it's that camera. The camera adds pounds. 982 00:57:47,047 --> 00:57:49,015 It does it to all of us. No question about it. 983 00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:51,806 And now we're looking for a brand-new expert commentator. 984 00:57:51,927 --> 00:57:56,478 Well, there's no bigger public figure in the sport at that moment than George. 985 00:57:56,598 --> 00:58:00,068 It was an obvious choice. 986 00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:03,564 But I could tell that there were gonna be some challenges there. 987 00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:07,159 Larry, you and George, I'm told, have been known to disagree. 988 00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:08,868 What do you think of all this? 989 00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:11,535 He had, it seemed like a kind of ingrained habit, 990 00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:14,283 that if, if Larry and I said the sky was blue, 991 00:58:14,408 --> 00:58:17,252 George was gonna say, "I'm not so sure." 992 00:58:17,369 --> 00:58:19,542 "Uh, doesn't necessarily look blue to me." 993 00:58:19,663 --> 00:58:21,540 "I'm not sure why you guys think it's blue. 994 00:58:21,665 --> 00:58:23,713 I mean, that was just the way he was thinking. 995 00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:25,962 MERCHANT: You think these guys are champions? 996 00:58:26,086 --> 00:58:28,714 - FOREMAN: They fought like champions. - MERCHANT: You do? 997 00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:31,342 You and I couldn't disagree more about that, George. 998 00:58:31,466 --> 00:58:33,889 But you don't know boxing, Larry. You just see boxing. 999 00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:35,809 Well, George, I know I wasn't 1000 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:38,978 the heavyweight champion of the world, like you, 1001 00:58:39,099 --> 00:58:41,443 but I think I've watched a lot of boxing. 1002 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,905 He and George became a kind of frick and frack, you know, 1003 00:58:45,022 --> 00:58:46,695 constantly arguing with each other. 1004 00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:49,910 - You cannot be serious. - (LAUGHS) 1005 00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:51,620 LAMPLEY: But we became popular. 1006 00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:56,413 We became popular as a threesome partially because of the disagreements, 1007 00:58:56,533 --> 00:59:00,379 partially because George was just so endearing, so charming. 1008 00:59:01,455 --> 00:59:04,299 - I'm George Junior. - I'm George Foreman Ill. 1009 00:59:04,458 --> 00:59:06,085 I'm George Foreman IV. 1010 00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,258 MERCHANT: The fact that he named all of his children 1011 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:12,929 as George or Georgettes or Georginas 1012 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:17,647 was also some kind of endearing original... 1013 00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:21,141 part of his narrative. 1014 00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:23,064 Who had ever heard of anything like that? 1015 00:59:23,185 --> 00:59:26,155 U' WE'RE ALL MADE OF STARS from FINDING NEVERLAND Mays I') 1016 00:59:30,942 --> 00:59:35,493 FOREMAN JR: During that time there was an ABC show called "George". 1017 00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:38,208 Hi, Daddy. Let's go the distance. 1018 00:59:38,325 --> 00:59:40,794 The second round will never see 1019 00:59:40,911 --> 00:59:43,960 because I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. 1020 00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:47,968 Boxing was getting kind of secondary. 1021 00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:50,053 George, we have to have a little discussion 1022 00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:52,047 about your recent lack of get-up-and-go. 1023 00:59:52,172 --> 00:59:53,219 Ah, people always... 1024 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:56,219 FOREMAN JR: That's a good thing out of the ring, but in the ring 1025 00:59:56,343 --> 00:59:58,016 that was taking him away from his goals. 1026 00:59:58,136 --> 01:00:01,185 George, you haven't been to the gym in weeks. Look at you. 1027 01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:02,398 You are 40. 1028 01:00:02,516 --> 01:00:05,360 Ah, don't start that nasty 40 business. 1029 01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:08,856 (CROWD CHEERS) 1030 01:00:09,981 --> 01:00:13,360 TRAMPLER: After losing to Holyfield, George wasn't gonna give up. 1031 01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:17,364 And we were able to get him with Tommy Morrison. 1032 01:00:18,406 --> 01:00:21,785 COMMENTATOR: And we begin round one. It's scheduled for 12. 1033 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:24,163 Very few think it will last that long. 1034 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:27,587 TRAMPLER: I honestly thought George was going to destroy him. 1035 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,755 COMMENT AT OR: Foreman lands a good punch. 1036 01:00:31,086 --> 01:00:33,009 Morrison, wild, missed both times. 1037 01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:38,227 TRAMPLER: But Morrison somehow came up with the, the best game plan ever. 1038 01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:39,970 He boxed. He moved. 1039 01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:46,610 COMMENTATOR: I am telling you, Morrison throws a big bag of wheat. 1040 01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,652 And George, I don't think he prepared properly. 1041 01:00:51,773 --> 01:00:54,617 Uh, George ran second. 1042 01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:56,202 He was doing the TV show. 1043 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,492 He had... He was focused on other things. 1044 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,289 FOREMAN JR: Before the Tommy Morrison fight he was hitting the bag 1045 01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:05,333 on the set of "George," on the TV show, you know? 1046 01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:10,626 It's really hard to be the biggest boxer 1047 01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:13,094 and have a TV show at the same time! 1048 01:01:13,211 --> 01:01:16,511 My fight will not be against Morrison, it will be against the rocking chair. 1049 01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:18,304 This is where I wanna go out of boxing. 1050 01:01:18,425 --> 01:01:21,019 Probably no-one will ever see me in a boxing ring again. 1051 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:26,855 COMMENT ATOR: This could be the last 2:08 of George Foreman's boxing career. 1052 01:01:26,975 --> 01:01:29,728 At the end of the fight, Tommy Morrison got his hand raised 1053 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:31,025 and he won the fight. 1054 01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:37,111 COMMENTATOR: George Foreman's legendary comeback is finished. 1055 01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:03,561 FOREMAN JR: After he lost to Morrison, 1056 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,022 really he started spending time on the ranch. 1057 01:02:08,016 --> 01:02:10,110 And we're riding horses, 1058 01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:13,401 um, really working the ranch, working hard. 1059 01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:20,825 Fast-forward to, uh, 1994 1060 01:02:20,946 --> 01:02:23,449 and when Michael Moorer wins the heavyweight champion. 1061 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,372 (BELL muss) 1062 01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,999 ANNOUNCER: And new heavyweight champion of the world... 1063 01:02:31,122 --> 01:02:33,966 LAMPLEY: Michael Moorer is another heavyweight champion. 1064 01:02:34,125 --> 01:02:38,301 What does he wanna do? He wants to make money! 1065 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:42,142 So, he does the same thing that Holyfield did. 1066 01:02:42,259 --> 01:02:43,556 Let's go straight to George. 1067 01:02:43,677 --> 01:02:46,100 That's the way to get the biggest audience. 1068 01:02:46,221 --> 01:02:48,895 And I'm sure that Moorer, at age 26, 1069 01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:52,235 unbeaten, having just beaten Evander Holyfield, 1070 01:02:52,352 --> 01:02:54,650 didn't really believe in his heart 1071 01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:58,025 that there was gonna be that big a challenge in fighting George Foreman. 1072 01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:08,334 TRAMPLER: When George agreed to fight Moorer, 1073 01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:10,040 he had no more choices. 1074 01:03:10,161 --> 01:03:13,540 It was either beat this guy and win it or, or you're done. 1075 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:18,837 He was getting older. 1076 01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:22,637 Uh, he didn't have a lot of credibility left 1077 01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:25,852 and people were saying, "George, maybe it's just not meant to be." 1078 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:27,266 "Maybe it's not gonna happen." 1079 01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:34,061 FOREMAN JR: Then you hear that he's gonna fight Michael Moorer. 1080 01:03:34,185 --> 01:03:37,860 Now, Michael Moorer, me being a boxing fan... 1081 01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,368 I remember him as a middleweight, 1082 01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:44,988 a light-heavyweight, and now a heavyweight. 1083 01:03:45,113 --> 01:03:47,161 I watched the Holyfield fight. 1084 01:03:47,282 --> 01:03:52,209 I watched him do, like, amazing things as a... as a contender coming up. 1085 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:57,586 So, I didn't like that idea of him fighting Michael Moorer. 1086 01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:58,676 I didn't like that. 1087 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,217 LAMPLEY: I worked with George at that time 1088 01:04:05,342 --> 01:04:08,471 and for months prior to the fight I would say to him, 1089 01:04:08,595 --> 01:04:11,439 "George, how are you even gonna find Moorer?" 1090 01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:15,186 "Holyfield couldn't find him and Holyfield's much more mobile 1091 01:04:15,310 --> 01:04:18,314 and much more of a mover in the ring than you are. 1092 01:04:18,438 --> 01:04:23,740 "And, you know, this guy's a southpaw, doesn't move in a conventional way." 1093 01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:27,330 "Uh, he's 26 years old. He's quicker than you are." 1094 01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:32,370 I just don't understand exactly what is the plan. 1095 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,459 And George said to me, "You watch." 1096 01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:40,677 "Late in the fight at some point, 1097 01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:43,092 he'll stand in front of me and allow me to knock him out." 1098 01:04:46,424 --> 01:04:47,801 I knew a secret George had 1099 01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:50,099 in regards to what he did to work on that kind of punch, 1100 01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:51,893 the way to take you out with one punch. 1101 01:04:54,182 --> 01:04:58,528 It's an exercise that you can... do with a hatchet. 1102 01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,658 If you looked at his arms at the time, you saw how big they were. 1103 01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:06,198 They were chiseled like that because of that exercise 1104 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,698 and because he was taking that axe and just kind of chopping it into the tree. 1105 01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:40,062 COMMENTATOR: Tonight live from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, 1106 01:05:40,186 --> 01:05:43,156 as Michael Moorer, WBA and IBF heavyweight champion, 1107 01:05:43,273 --> 01:05:47,198 defends his title against the one and only George Foreman. 1108 01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:49,571 It's scheduled for 12 rounds. 1109 01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:52,745 FOREMAN: The most important thing in this boxing match I had going 1110 01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:55,210 that Michael Moorer didn't have, 1111 01:05:55,368 --> 01:05:57,120 I wanted to be there. 1112 01:05:57,245 --> 01:06:01,170 I ran up the, the aisle, jumped into the ring 1113 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:04,545 and it wasn't like I wanted someone else to be there. 1114 01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:08,799 This was gonna be my opportunity to fight for the championship of the world. 1115 01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:12,678 All the instructions, all the trainings had come to head now. 1116 01:06:13,928 --> 01:06:15,555 ANNOUNCER: Twelve rounds of boxing 1117 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,435 for the heavyweight championship of the world. 1118 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,941 Tonight, he steps into this ring ready to put his perfect record on the line. 1119 01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:28,034 Presenting the undefeated 1120 01:06:28,151 --> 01:06:32,372 heavyweight champion of the world, 1121 01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:35,242 Michael 1122 01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,745 Moorer! 1123 01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:40,964 (CROWD CHEERS) 1124 01:06:42,457 --> 01:06:48,510 Ladies and gentlemen, introducing from Houston, Texas, the challenger, 1125 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:51,554 the former heavyweight 1126 01:06:51,674 --> 01:06:54,974 champion of the world, 1127 01:06:55,094 --> 01:07:01,227 Big George Foreman. 1128 01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:03,445 (CROWD CHEERS) 1129 01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:11,490 (BELL muss) 1130 01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:15,828 FOREMAN: The idea was to surprise Michael Moorer. 1131 01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,496 He didn't expect me to stand up. 1132 01:07:17,617 --> 01:07:21,542 You see, I instantly started to jab right on top of his hands, 1133 01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:22,755 stopping his punches. 1134 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,260 COMMENTATOR: Expect Moorer to start off working behind the right jab 1135 01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,971 that served him so well in the battle with Holyfield. 1136 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,889 FOREMAN: And I'd learned take your time, be patient. 1137 01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:39,184 Never a rope-a-dope again. 1138 01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,354 I was the dope. Not again. 1139 01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,146 He'd go to the body. 1140 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,866 But I was protected with cheeseburgers at this time. He couldn't hurt me. 1141 01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:53,787 There's another right hand. 1142 01:07:53,903 --> 01:07:56,497 What bothered me is the commentators didn't even see that. 1143 01:07:56,614 --> 01:08:00,994 They were so full of their predictions of what was gonna happen, 1144 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,712 they didn't even look at the fight. 1145 01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:04,706 COMMENT AT OR: George just couldn't get off. 1146 01:08:04,831 --> 01:08:07,880 He's gonna have to punch and try to club him and keep feeding him. 1147 01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,095 But I don't think that's gonna happen. 1148 01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:14,387 COMMENTATOR: George refuses to sit down between rounds, Gil, and stands up. 1149 01:08:14,507 --> 01:08:17,135 Does that make it harder for the cut man to do his work? 1150 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:21,390 You know, I was so big if I sat down, I wouldn't be able to get up. 1151 01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:24,142 That's why I didn't sit. (LAUGHS) 1152 01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:27,194 COMMENTATOR: They threw equal punches in round number one, 1153 01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:29,030 but according to punch stat numbers, 1154 01:08:29,147 --> 01:08:32,572 Moorer landed at twice as high a rate. 1155 01:08:35,069 --> 01:08:37,788 Sharp right by Moorer who seems to be gaining confidence. 1156 01:08:39,282 --> 01:08:41,034 Good right hand by Moorer. 1157 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,089 Moorer misses with the right, but lands the left. 1158 01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:49,254 TRAMPLER: Going into the fight I gave George a good shot, 1159 01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:53,425 but as the, as the fight went on, round after round, 1160 01:08:53,546 --> 01:08:54,889 you start losing hope. 1161 01:08:55,006 --> 01:08:58,431 You just say, "Maybe it just isn't meant to be." 1162 01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:05,316 COMMENTATOR: George's left eye is starting to swell already. 1163 01:09:07,644 --> 01:09:10,397 Solid left hand over the top by Moorer! 1164 01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:13,024 Backing Foreman up again. 1165 01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,401 (BELL RINGS) 1166 01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:17,745 The heavy blows in that round were landed by the champion. 1167 01:09:17,862 --> 01:09:19,956 (CROWD CHEERS) 1168 01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:24,290 Harold Lederman, how do you see it so far? 1169 01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:27,960 LEDERMAN". Jim, four rounds to nothing, 40 to 36, Michael Moorer. 1170 01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:29,799 Boxing judges are definitely... 1171 01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:31,839 ARUM: It wasn't even a close fight 1172 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,883 and Moorer was winning every round. 1173 01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,507 I'll be... Even myself I gave up hope. 1174 01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,262 COMMENTATOR: In round four, Moorer stepped up his activity level. 1175 01:09:42,428 --> 01:09:44,180 He threw 65 punches in that round. 1176 01:09:45,932 --> 01:09:49,402 Michael Mccrer, it's locking as though his respect for Foreman decreases 1177 01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:50,611 from round to round. 1178 01:09:50,728 --> 01:09:52,651 I have a sense here, Gil, 1179 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,072 that Moorer feels as though he has felt Foreman's power 1180 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:57,694 and it's not gonna hurt him. 1181 01:09:57,819 --> 01:10:00,163 ARUM: And I remember my wife sitting next to me 1182 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,331 and she said, "Don't get yourself down. It's hopeless." 1183 01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:06,748 (BELL RINGS) 1184 01:10:06,869 --> 01:10:08,792 COMMENT AT OR: Seven rounds in the books. 1185 01:10:08,913 --> 01:10:10,790 Harold Lederman, how do you see it so far? 1186 01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:14,545 LEDERMAN: Jim, six rounds to one, 69-64, 1187 01:10:14,669 --> 01:10:16,922 commanding five-point lead for Michael Moorer. 1188 01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:19,515 FOREMAN: So, he win the round. 1189 01:10:19,632 --> 01:10:23,637 That's not my aim to win the round. (SCOFFS) 1190 01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,264 Now I'm looking for a knockout, though, that's for sure. 1191 01:10:29,475 --> 01:10:32,445 COMMENT AT OR: Solid right hand by Moorer. 1192 01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:35,190 Foreman's left eye beginning to close. 1193 01:10:36,107 --> 01:10:40,283 Much quicker getting his punches away than George. That's no big surprise. 1194 01:10:40,403 --> 01:10:43,202 FOREMAN: He catches me asleep. He got me with two of them. 1195 01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:47,206 And I can say that didn't hurt, but I'd be lying. 1196 01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:48,999 (LAUGHS) 1197 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,214 I'd be telling a lie. 1198 01:10:53,374 --> 01:10:55,376 COMMENTATOR: There are the right hands. 1199 01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:57,629 Moorer landing two in rapid-fire succession. 1200 01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:01,090 Left hand over the top lands for Moorer. 1201 01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:03,217 Foreman takes another step backward. 1202 01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:07,973 GIL: I'm surprised Moorer is just out there fencing with George. 1203 01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:10,771 COMMENTATOR: I think he thinks he's gonna knock him out. 1204 01:11:10,892 --> 01:11:14,112 I thought that he would fight cautiously and work for a decision. 1205 01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:15,400 But he now looks to me 1206 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:18,365 as though he thinks he's gonna be able to knock Foreman out 1207 01:11:18,483 --> 01:11:21,862 and he thinks he'll do it by standing in front of him and trading shots. 1208 01:11:22,737 --> 01:11:26,287 HOLYHELD: I-l felt that Moorer disrespect him 1209 01:11:26,407 --> 01:11:32,255 because he wanted to knock him out, more so than just beat him, you know? 1210 01:11:32,371 --> 01:11:35,341 You know, I wanted to knock George out, 1211 01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:38,712 but I hit him with 17 punches unanswered 1212 01:11:38,836 --> 01:11:40,588 and, and he still stayed up. 1213 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,720 COMMENTATOR: Upper cut by Moorer, blasted Foreman's chin backward. 1214 01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:52,108 But you notice, he hit me and didn't run away 1215 01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,355 and I'm really thinking, this is delicious. 1216 01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:57,947 I don't like being hit now, 1217 01:11:58,064 --> 01:12:01,910 but the idea that someone is hitting me and standing right there? 1218 01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:03,949 You're supposed to run. 1219 01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:06,706 I barely missed him then. 1220 01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:09,201 You can see, in another round I'll get a little closer. 1221 01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:13,959 COMMENTATOR: And George makes it out of the round 1222 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,300 that bedeviled him in Zaire 20 years ago. 1223 01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:24,299 That's the moment I was really tired, about the ninth round, 1224 01:12:24,423 --> 01:12:26,801 when I hear that ten-second, ding, ding, 1225 01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:28,974 I was like, "I can't wait to get to my corner." 1226 01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:33,107 And in the corner, Angelo Dundee upset me. 1227 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:36,398 He came back and started talking about, 1228 01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:38,988 "I hate to say it, but you're falling behind on points," 1229 01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:42,109 and I got so upset. 1230 01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:45,533 Like I said, I'm not trying to win a fight on points. 1231 01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:49,032 COMMENTATOR: In round nine, George Foreman threw only 35 punches. 1232 01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:51,830 His activity level dropping now. 1233 01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:55,584 Earlier in the fight, he was routinely throwing 1234 01:12:55,705 --> 01:12:57,628 between 50 and 60 punches in each round. 1235 01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:03,546 Right hand landed there and another. 1236 01:13:05,172 --> 01:13:07,470 A right and a left and suddenly Moorer stops bunting 1237 01:13:07,592 --> 01:13:09,185 and it's Foreman's initiative. 1238 01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:13,390 GIL: There's that competitive spirit of George's again. 1239 01:13:13,514 --> 01:13:16,609 He feels he's nailed Moorer with a good punch and he's a good finisher. 1240 01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:19,024 He knows how to do it, but he's in with a tough guy. 1241 01:13:19,145 --> 01:13:22,570 The punch is the only thing that followed me all my life. 1242 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:28,071 Went into the ring the first time and I hit a guy and he went down 1243 01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,994 and I said, "What happened? I thought we were supposed to box." 1244 01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,577 COMMENTATOR: Give him all the credit in the world, 1245 01:13:34,702 --> 01:13:38,423 but, again, he's a 45-year-old man in a young man's game. 1246 01:13:38,539 --> 01:13:40,587 In the first nine rounds of fight, 1247 01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:45,339 he, he doesn't throw a single meaningful left hook. 1248 01:13:45,463 --> 01:13:46,931 If you watch that last round, 1249 01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:49,392 in the first 30 or 40 seconds of that last round, 1250 01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:52,261 he throws two big sweeping left hooks. 1251 01:13:53,596 --> 01:13:56,099 COMMENTATOR: Foreman wading in to set up a left hook. 1252 01:13:56,223 --> 01:13:57,975 And another left hook! 1253 01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,478 And another left hook shot that missed. 1254 01:14:00,603 --> 01:14:05,825 And that was for the purpose of stopping Michael from moving in this direction 1255 01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:10,243 and making him be stationary, so that George could knock him out. 1256 01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,666 COMMENT AT OR: Right hand landing for Foreman. 1257 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:16,161 He's had a pretty good round here in number ten. 1258 01:14:18,746 --> 01:14:21,295 GIL: That's the best right hand in the fight. 1259 01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:23,964 COMMENTATOR: Down goes Moorer on a right hand! 1260 01:14:24,085 --> 01:14:26,964 An unbelievably close and right-hand shot. 1261 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,182 (CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS) 1262 01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:37,853 After those months of talking to George and George, you know, predicting for me, 1263 01:14:37,974 --> 01:14:39,476 what was going to happen, 1264 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,602 suddenly I'm looking at Moorer on the canvas. 1265 01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:45,573 The first thought in my mind is, "Why didn't I formulate a line for this?" 1266 01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:49,411 CUTMAN: Five, six, seven, eight... 1267 01:14:49,527 --> 01:14:52,246 You would have thought that I might be well prepared enough 1268 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:56,539 to at least have thought of some reasonable thing to say. 1269 01:14:56,701 --> 01:14:59,329 That George is going to win the heavyweight championship again 1270 01:14:59,453 --> 01:15:01,376 because Moorer is not gonna get up. 1271 01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:03,591 He's not gonna beat this count. 1272 01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:05,961 And all I could think to myself is, "You idiot." 1273 01:15:06,085 --> 01:15:09,339 "You didn't prepare in the way that you should have." 1274 01:15:09,463 --> 01:15:12,387 And the only thing that came to mind was... 1275 01:15:12,508 --> 01:15:15,352 COMMENTATOR: It happened! It happened! 1276 01:15:15,469 --> 01:15:17,563 (CROWD CHEERS) 1277 01:15:20,474 --> 01:15:24,775 GIL: I can't believe it! I can't believe it. 1278 01:15:28,107 --> 01:15:29,984 LAMPLEY: "It happened, it happened" 1279 01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,783 sounds like it's about "OK, he knocked out Michael Moorer." 1280 01:15:32,903 --> 01:15:36,373 But to me it was all the stuff he told me. 1281 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:40,085 Everything he said to me for months about what was going to happen. 1282 01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:42,330 It happened. 1283 01:15:42,455 --> 01:15:44,207 I will say, to my dying day, 1284 01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:46,675 "Yes, he issued the prophecy." 1285 01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:48,760 "He said it would work that way." 1286 01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,639 Look at Bob Arum. 1287 01:15:52,757 --> 01:15:55,351 He grabbed me. He said, "Praise the Lord!" 1288 01:15:55,468 --> 01:15:57,266 (LAUGHS) 1289 01:15:57,386 --> 01:15:59,809 ARUM: I jumped in the ring 1290 01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:01,682 and went over to him and hugged him 1291 01:16:01,807 --> 01:16:04,902 and that's one of my favorite pictures. 1292 01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:09,490 COMMENTATOR: As referee Joe Cortez waved his arms over Moorer, 1293 01:16:09,607 --> 01:16:14,158 George Foreman knelt in prayer in the neutral corner. 1294 01:16:14,278 --> 01:16:17,077 GIL: You know, this is a two-to-one fight, 1295 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:20,577 but in my mind it was gazillion to one that George Foreman 1296 01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:23,170 could ever win the heavyweight championship again. 1297 01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,550 This is a really remarkable achievement. 1298 01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:29,760 That's the one thing I said George couldn't do. 1299 01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,595 He couldn't get you out with one punch. 1300 01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:34,056 But, boy, he sure fooled me and Michael Moorer. 1301 01:16:35,132 --> 01:16:37,476 COMMENTATOR: It landed on the point of the chin. 1302 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,812 GIL: Right on the button where it says goodnight. 1303 01:16:41,722 --> 01:16:46,148 COMMENTATOR: You see the blood welling up behind Moorerk lips 1304 01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:49,112 as he momentarily went to sleep. 1305 01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:55,782 The 68th man in 26 years 1306 01:16:55,903 --> 01:17:00,659 to have fallen before the professional fury of George Foreman. 1307 01:17:00,783 --> 01:17:03,036 FOREMAN JR". It was unbelievable to me. 1308 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,336 I just remembered him talking to me when I was in the seventh grade. 1309 01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:11,177 I'm playing college basketball now, I'm a grown man, 1310 01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:14,968 and in the seventh grade he said I was gonna be the heavyweight champion. 1311 01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:19,552 COMMENTATOR: So you've got a 45-year-old heavyweight champion. 1312 01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:22,726 Let's go to Michael Buffer for the official particulars. 1313 01:17:22,847 --> 01:17:27,398 ANNOUNCER: Here at the MGM Grand, the impossible dream has happened. 1314 01:17:27,518 --> 01:17:29,065 The winner 1315 01:17:29,186 --> 01:17:34,943 and once again heavyweight champion of world, 1316 01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:38,412 Big George 1317 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,453 Foreman. 1318 01:17:41,574 --> 01:17:43,997 (CROWD CHEERS) 1319 01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:06,645 INTERVIEWER: George, you're a far different fighter 1320 01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:10,144 than you were when last I saw you 20 years ago. 1321 01:18:10,269 --> 01:18:14,490 Would George Foreman today have stood a chance against that George Foreman? 1322 01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:16,780 No doubt about it cos I'm using brain power now. 1323 01:18:16,901 --> 01:18:18,403 You would have stood a chance? 1324 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,995 I would have gotten out of the way 1325 01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:22,706 and then waited and knocked a young George Foreman out. 1326 01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:28,037 TRAMPLER: In my opinion, the second George Foreman 1327 01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:29,755 would have beaten the first one 1328 01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:33,467 cos he was smarter, he was calmer, he was more patient. 1329 01:18:33,584 --> 01:18:34,961 He didn't get excited. 1330 01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:37,429 (CROWD CHEERS, SHOUTS) 1331 01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:41,050 LAMPLEY: He was so much the opposite of, of the first guy. 1332 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:43,849 COMMENT AT OR: Right hand landed there. And another. 1333 01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,812 LAM P L EY: Smarter. Better. 1334 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,934 More well rounded. Greater technical craft. 1335 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:52,312 Number two George beats number one George, I'm pretty sure. 1336 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,734 DUNDEE: If the old George Foreman had fought Muhammad in Zaire, 1337 01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:00,782 he wouldn't have been affected by Zaire. 1338 01:19:00,903 --> 01:19:03,782 If he'd have been the guy that he was when he came back, 1339 01:19:03,906 --> 01:19:06,034 it would have been maybe a different ball game. 1340 01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:13,588 ARUM: I love my promotional career having been associated with him 1341 01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:16,005 and to see what he became, 1342 01:19:16,126 --> 01:19:20,347 both as an athlete, but more important as a person. 1343 01:19:22,675 --> 01:19:26,396 Well, he became this beloved figure. 1344 01:19:26,512 --> 01:19:29,891 Um, we can change. 1345 01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:35,863 This is a country where people come to reinvent themselves. 1346 01:19:37,523 --> 01:19:39,196 HOLYHELD: He, he made a transition. 1347 01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:43,321 And it's one of the things that a lot of people think, 1348 01:19:43,445 --> 01:19:46,745 being that bad guy, it's easier. 1349 01:19:46,865 --> 01:19:48,742 But my mama always told me, 1350 01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:53,418 "Ah, well, you be that bad guy and you really not that bad guy," 1351 01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:56,713 they gonna hold you there a lot longer than you want to be." 1352 01:19:56,834 --> 01:19:59,883 All right? So my mama... "Never pretend to be something that you not." 1353 01:20:02,673 --> 01:20:06,553 FOREMAN". I was victorious that night and celebrated the best I could, 1354 01:20:06,677 --> 01:20:09,021 but I thought about Michael Moorer 1355 01:20:09,138 --> 01:20:12,984 and the night I lost the championship by surprise to Muhammad Ali. 1356 01:20:14,101 --> 01:20:15,978 And I sat in my dressing room. 1357 01:20:16,103 --> 01:20:18,151 Joe Frazier came to the room 1358 01:20:18,272 --> 01:20:20,946 and sat with me and consoled me. 1359 01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:27,453 Of all the people in the world it was Joe Frazier to come and comfort me. 1360 01:20:27,573 --> 01:20:31,419 And I hoped Michael Moorer was able to find that person in his room that night. 1361 01:20:33,078 --> 01:20:36,082 TRAMPLER: You know, to me, George Foreman 1362 01:20:36,206 --> 01:20:39,676 is the last great American heavyweight. There hasn't been a better one since 1363 01:20:39,793 --> 01:20:43,093 and there were very few better ones before him. 1364 01:20:45,090 --> 01:20:48,890 I think it's one of the greatest individual accomplishments in sports 1365 01:20:49,011 --> 01:20:51,810 and I'm not certain to what you would compare it. 1366 01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:54,308 This man won what we used to call 1367 01:20:54,433 --> 01:20:58,108 the biggest individual prize in global sport. 1368 01:20:58,228 --> 01:21:00,731 Twice, 21 years apart, 1369 01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,654 as two different fighters 1370 01:21:02,775 --> 01:21:06,905 and even more to the point, as two different human beings. 1371 01:21:07,029 --> 01:21:10,078 You know that after beating Moorer that you'd finally exorcised 1372 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:13,169 the bitter memory of your loss to Muhammad Ali. 1373 01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:15,708 You've heard from Muhammad since your victory, right? 1374 01:21:15,829 --> 01:21:17,331 He sent me a telegram and signed it. 1375 01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:22,590 You know, congratulations. You showed that you had the courage and the guts. 1376 01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,389 When that man tell you you got guts, 1377 01:21:25,506 --> 01:21:27,884 you feel like, "Hey, I've gotten there now." 1378 01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,113 MERCHANT: George, nothing has symbolized you 1379 01:21:45,234 --> 01:21:47,703 as much as your farewell to boxing. 1380 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:48,992 Thank you very much. 1381 01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:52,208 I wouldn't want it to do it with anyone better than Larry Merchant. 1382 01:21:52,324 --> 01:21:54,201 God bless you. 1383 01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:59,002 And remember the George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine. 1384 01:21:59,123 --> 01:22:01,751 No home should be without this thing. God bless you. Go get one. 123727

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