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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,429 --> 00:00:12,471 RADIO HOST 1: The New York Times, 2 00:00:12,555 --> 00:00:14,640 this past Sunday, there was an article about 3 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:18,060 the first black punk rock group called Death in the '70s. 4 00:00:18,102 --> 00:00:20,479 And they found these old recordings. 5 00:00:20,563 --> 00:00:22,648 And they have an album that they put out now. 6 00:00:22,732 --> 00:00:25,818 They have pictures of these guys back in the '70s. One of them died. 7 00:00:25,901 --> 00:00:29,155 And now I'm dying to hear this fucking group's music. 8 00:00:29,238 --> 00:00:30,740 - Should be good. - RADIO HOST 2: What were they called? 9 00:00:30,781 --> 00:00:33,743 RADIO HOST 1: They were called Death. RADIO HOST 3: Death. 10 00:00:44,253 --> 00:00:46,797 (WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE??? PLAYING) 11 00:00:58,768 --> 00:01:02,813 HENRY ROLLINS: The quick version of the Death story is almost like the tease 12 00:01:02,897 --> 00:01:04,273 at the beginning of a movie trailer. 13 00:01:04,565 --> 00:01:07,693 Three black guys, in the '70s, 14 00:01:07,777 --> 00:01:10,738 from Detroit, Michigan, blood brothers. 15 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:15,242 Three black cats from Detroit, played heavy, punk, rock 'n' roll. 16 00:01:16,077 --> 00:01:18,913 ALICE COOPER: It's pretty hard to be black playing rock in Detroit. 17 00:01:18,954 --> 00:01:20,831 'Cause they were sort of stereotyped into... 18 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:22,750 You had to be Motown, if you were black. 19 00:01:26,629 --> 00:01:29,423 Death's music was definitely ahead of its time. 20 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,718 They really predated what we know as the punk movement. 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,598 Nobody was making music like that in '73. 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,268 They have to be properly credited as being visionaries. 23 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:43,979 (SINGING) 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,194 ELIJAH WOOD: You have a record that is so perfect in its innovation, 25 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:51,779 it makes it all the more shocking 26 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:54,281 that it didn't manage to find a way to come out then. 27 00:01:56,325 --> 00:01:58,828 They're kind of like the Unknown Soldiers of rock. 28 00:01:58,911 --> 00:02:01,831 BEN BLACKWELL: They were recordings that were simply put away. 29 00:02:01,872 --> 00:02:06,418 There's been hardcore history sitting up in that attic, and no one's known about it. 30 00:02:06,502 --> 00:02:09,505 Thirty years after the fact, we're just now discovering this band 31 00:02:09,588 --> 00:02:11,924 that had been sort of lying in wait. 32 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:21,517 It's such a great story and it's, uh... 33 00:02:22,852 --> 00:02:24,186 It's punk rock. 34 00:03:40,763 --> 00:03:43,766 Welcome to my neighborhood. 2240 Lillibridge. 35 00:03:43,807 --> 00:03:45,643 This is where Death was born. 36 00:03:47,102 --> 00:03:50,522 - This is our old friend... - No. 37 00:03:50,606 --> 00:03:52,983 -...that we grew up with. - This is Kathleen. She lives right here. 38 00:03:53,067 --> 00:03:56,362 - They telling the story about Death. - Okay. 39 00:03:56,445 --> 00:03:57,780 - You remember Death. - I'm still here. 40 00:03:57,821 --> 00:03:59,907 No! 41 00:03:59,949 --> 00:04:02,618 They telling the story about our old band 42 00:04:02,701 --> 00:04:05,579 that we used to drive you all crazy with all of our loud music. 43 00:04:05,621 --> 00:04:07,790 Yeah, I remember that. 44 00:04:07,873 --> 00:04:09,625 I remember that, yes. 45 00:04:12,044 --> 00:04:13,337 Oh, yeah, there you go! 46 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:16,048 (ALL LAUGHING) 47 00:04:18,342 --> 00:04:21,053 David... David... You know what? 48 00:04:24,515 --> 00:04:28,269 But you know what? That was my boy, though. That was my boy. 49 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:29,937 He was all right. 50 00:04:29,979 --> 00:04:31,480 My name is Dannie Hackney. 51 00:04:31,897 --> 00:04:37,569 I played the drums, and I was born and raised in the Motor City, Detroit, Michigan. 52 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:39,989 Well, I remember when I... You all were teenagers, uh... 53 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:42,908 - DANNIS: That's right. That's very right. - Yeah. Right, yeah? 54 00:04:42,992 --> 00:04:45,995 I'm Bobby Hackney. I am a bass player. 55 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,832 My parents, Earl Vonlee Hackney 56 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:52,960 and Majora Florida Hackney, two beautiful people. 57 00:05:00,426 --> 00:05:04,179 I was the youngest of, uh, four boys. 58 00:05:04,263 --> 00:05:06,473 Our oldest brother was Earl. 59 00:05:07,391 --> 00:05:11,312 David was born the second. And then it was Dannie. 60 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:13,897 And, um, I came along. 61 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:15,524 EARL JR; I am indeed the eldest, 62 00:05:15,607 --> 00:05:19,361 and that was ingrained in them also, because I'd say, 63 00:05:19,403 --> 00:05:23,407 "Never forget, I'm second in command to Moms and Pop." 64 00:05:29,913 --> 00:05:33,876 DAN N IS: Spirituality plays into our life right from the beginning of our roots. 65 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:36,754 You know, our dad was a Baptist minister. 66 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:38,547 We're preacher's sons. 67 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:40,007 (LAUGHS) 68 00:05:41,091 --> 00:05:43,761 EARL JR.: Being a minister's kid taught us the Word, 69 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:45,304 from Genesis to Revelation. 70 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:47,514 I mean, we all became versed in the Word. 71 00:05:48,182 --> 00:05:49,266 BOBBY: He always told us, you know, 72 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,852 if you try your best in life to keep your promise to God 73 00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:55,022 and give God time enough to keep His promise to you. 74 00:05:56,482 --> 00:06:00,486 DANNIS: My old man instilled into us to back up your brother. 75 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:03,572 So all of our lives we grew up with this idea 76 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:05,741 that, you know, we gotta back up your brother. 77 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:09,745 We made a pact with each other that we would never fight, 78 00:06:09,787 --> 00:06:12,456 we would never do anything to hurt each other. 79 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,208 We were all close. 80 00:06:14,249 --> 00:06:17,086 I mean, we all were very, very close. 81 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:21,006 BOBBY: Moms, you got so many grandchildren, you can't keep up now. 82 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:23,592 - MAJORAI I don't try. -(ALL LAUGHING) 83 00:06:25,594 --> 00:06:28,889 I got eight kids. I'm proud of every one of them. 84 00:06:28,931 --> 00:06:33,102 - BOBBY: That's right. That's right. - Love every one of them. 85 00:06:33,143 --> 00:06:35,437 - Your son, David... - BOBBY: You're gonna see everybody came... 86 00:06:35,521 --> 00:06:39,566 I don't know what David's doing up there, but there's a lot of good things going on 87 00:06:39,608 --> 00:06:41,777 in our lives, because of all his things. 88 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:43,987 - Um, yeah. -It is. 89 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:47,116 Yeah, I know that out of... David... 90 00:06:47,157 --> 00:06:49,410 We talk about Dave all the time. 91 00:06:49,451 --> 00:06:53,789 - I know. You said... I know. - You know, me and Viv, we talk about Dave. 92 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:56,667 - Yeah. - Some of the things he did. 93 00:06:56,792 --> 00:06:59,128 - Oh! -(ALL LAUGH) 94 00:06:59,628 --> 00:07:01,630 DANNIS: I mean, we were kind of crazy kids. 95 00:07:01,713 --> 00:07:03,966 We thought of some games that was really weird. 96 00:07:04,049 --> 00:07:06,802 I remember one time we was having a squirt gun fight. 97 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:10,764 You know, Dave hid behind the garage and pissed in his. 98 00:07:10,806 --> 00:07:12,683 (LAUGHS) 99 00:07:14,017 --> 00:07:17,271 You know, just... Just some of Dave's pranks, you know. 100 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:19,606 EARL JR.: David was kind of creative when it comes to the... 101 00:07:19,648 --> 00:07:21,650 I mean, he would put together some makeshift stuff 102 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:25,070 that just would work that... That you wouldn't believe. 103 00:07:25,154 --> 00:07:26,155 (LAUGHS) 104 00:07:26,572 --> 00:07:31,160 DANNIS: He took the telephone one time and pulled wires and he pinched wires, 105 00:07:31,201 --> 00:07:33,495 and the next thing you know, you pick up the phone, it's... 106 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:37,416 (ECHOING) Hello. 107 00:07:37,499 --> 00:07:39,668 (LAUGHS) 108 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:42,129 And, you know, we actually have tapes of this. 109 00:07:42,171 --> 00:07:45,299 David used that to scare people. 110 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:47,801 (DIALING) 111 00:07:51,722 --> 00:07:53,265 (LINE RINGING) 112 00:07:54,558 --> 00:07:56,101 (MAN SPEAKING) 113 00:07:56,226 --> 00:07:58,187 (DAVID'S VOICE ECHOING) 114 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:01,982 (MAN SPEAKING) 115 00:08:04,568 --> 00:08:06,195 (DAVID SPEAKING) 116 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:10,407 (MAN SPEAKING) 117 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:12,075 (DAVID SPEAKING) 118 00:08:15,871 --> 00:08:17,247 (MAN SPEAKING) 119 00:08:18,081 --> 00:08:19,333 (DAVID SCREAMS) 120 00:08:19,374 --> 00:08:20,959 (DIAL TONE BEEPING) 121 00:08:21,043 --> 00:08:22,628 (WOMAN SPEAKING) 122 00:08:27,049 --> 00:08:28,675 (DAVID SPEAKING) 123 00:08:30,302 --> 00:08:31,887 (WOMAN SPEAKING) 124 00:08:36,308 --> 00:08:37,935 (MOTOWN PLAYING) 125 00:08:41,563 --> 00:08:43,357 BOBBY'. Uh, growing up in Detroit... 126 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:47,444 it was just a... It was a great time. It was that Motown time. 127 00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:52,366 You know, that real time when Motown was churning out all those amazing hits. 128 00:08:52,908 --> 00:08:56,078 You know, it was just such a bustling town. 129 00:09:03,252 --> 00:09:06,213 Well, the presence of music, that all started with my mom and dad. 130 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:07,965 They were always music fans. 131 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:10,842 -(ALL CHATTERING) - Just in right here, 132 00:09:11,510 --> 00:09:16,265 my mother used to have a little clock radio, little gray radio right in that corner over there. 133 00:09:16,932 --> 00:09:19,726 Every morning we would sit at the table, 134 00:09:19,768 --> 00:09:22,771 eating breakfast, listening to CKLW. 135 00:09:22,854 --> 00:09:24,231 MAN: All right. 136 00:09:24,273 --> 00:09:27,109 - And they played everything. - MAN: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day. 137 00:09:27,192 --> 00:09:29,486 Aretha Franklin, Bob Seger. 138 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:31,572 And I'm thankful to my mom and dad, 139 00:09:31,613 --> 00:09:34,741 'cause they never held us back from listening to music. 140 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,786 They would always tell us, "Enjoy everything." 141 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:40,789 DANNIS: There's so many people who brought music into the house. 142 00:09:40,831 --> 00:09:43,375 I mean, it was my dad who sat us down 143 00:09:43,458 --> 00:09:45,502 and made us watch the Beatles. 144 00:09:46,795 --> 00:09:48,922 BOBBY: The minute I saw Paul McCartney 145 00:09:48,964 --> 00:09:51,258 singing and playing that Beatle bass, you know, 146 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:53,635 I wanted to play bass and still wanted to sing. 147 00:09:54,136 --> 00:09:57,973 Then David tuned in to John Lennon playing the guitar and... 148 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:02,060 And it was David who rallied us to, you know, be a band and get together and... 149 00:10:02,144 --> 00:10:03,478 And that made him the leader. 150 00:10:03,979 --> 00:10:05,856 BOBBY: That's your first drum. DANNIS: This is my first drum. 151 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:09,109 - MAN: What? Jesus Christ. - Very first drum. 152 00:10:09,151 --> 00:10:11,236 (LAUGHS) Right here. 153 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:15,073 So I used to put two knives, two butter knives, on here 154 00:10:15,157 --> 00:10:16,533 to make it sound like a snare. 155 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,578 DANNIS: One time we had some good luck in our family 156 00:10:19,661 --> 00:10:22,372 and our mother got a settlement from a car accident. 157 00:10:22,497 --> 00:10:24,499 And suddenly we had some money. 158 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:28,837 And she gave us kind of a choice of what we wanted to do. 159 00:10:29,338 --> 00:10:33,425 First thing we did was went to Manny's Music, man. 160 00:10:33,508 --> 00:10:35,469 Manny's Music! 161 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:42,351 BOBBY'. I bought a Rickenbacker guitar and a Fender guitar. 162 00:10:42,434 --> 00:10:45,354 David bought a brand-new Fender guitar. 163 00:10:45,437 --> 00:10:47,981 Bob went and bought himself an acoustic amplifier, 164 00:10:48,023 --> 00:10:51,485 so I had to have the best drums I could find. 165 00:10:51,526 --> 00:10:54,404 I went and bought me a Slingerland set of drums. 166 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:58,700 BOBBY: I had a bass, Dannie had some drums, David, his guitar. 167 00:10:59,868 --> 00:11:01,370 We started jamming together. 168 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:03,872 MAN 1". Here we go. 169 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,125 MAN '2". One, two, three, four! 170 00:11:07,209 --> 00:11:08,960 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 171 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,047 BOBBY: The first band that we formed as brothers 172 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:16,718 was called Rock Fire Funk Express. 'Cause at that time we wasn't sure 173 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,054 whether we wanted to be a funk band or a rock band. 174 00:11:19,096 --> 00:11:20,722 (MUSIC CONTINUES) 175 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:29,231 DANNIS: Rock with a fire, you know, add a little funk in there 176 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:31,400 and just keep on going, like an express. 177 00:11:31,483 --> 00:11:32,567 (LAUGHS) 178 00:11:36,863 --> 00:11:39,533 But then the Who came to town. 179 00:11:40,117 --> 00:11:43,203 And when Dave went down to see them, 180 00:11:43,245 --> 00:11:45,247 he was like, "That's it." 181 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:49,126 You know, "We gotta play this music. This is the music we gotta play." 182 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,169 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 183 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:58,468 David, every time I would leave, man, 184 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,679 he would have that stuff playing. 185 00:12:01,263 --> 00:12:03,932 He'd just be laying there, listening. 186 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:06,977 And then I'd come back and the same thing would be playing. 187 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:13,108 DANNIS: You know, when I saw Alice Cooper, it was like, you know, "All bets are off, man." 188 00:12:13,191 --> 00:12:16,653 To me, if we ain't playing this, then I ain't gonna be having no fun. 189 00:12:19,948 --> 00:12:23,910 BOBBY: Rock 'n' roll just kind of... We just kind of immersed ourselves in it. 190 00:12:24,494 --> 00:12:27,581 That's what David called it, he said, "it's pure rock 'n' roll, man." 191 00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:30,041 Not like a lot... You're gonna have your one hit, 192 00:12:30,125 --> 00:12:34,921 but the pure rock 'n' roll is what they don't play over the radio, you know? 193 00:12:34,963 --> 00:12:36,506 That's what David always said. 194 00:12:37,174 --> 00:12:40,302 MAN: (ON RECORDING) One, two, three, now! 195 00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:43,472 (BASS GUITAR STRUMMING) 196 00:12:45,974 --> 00:12:49,644 This is the room where Death was born. 197 00:12:49,728 --> 00:12:50,771 Look at this door, right here. 198 00:12:50,812 --> 00:12:53,607 Only something like this could come from the mind of my brother. 199 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:57,235 - That's David's thing, right there, man. - MAN: Oh, yeah! 200 00:12:57,903 --> 00:12:59,446 BOBBY: We used to play. 201 00:12:59,488 --> 00:13:03,158 This was my station, over here. David was right over here. 202 00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:09,998 And this was all Dannie' drums. 203 00:13:12,709 --> 00:13:16,505 And then we had our PAs. We just gutted the whole room. 204 00:13:17,172 --> 00:13:21,176 And we just made it into this little rock 'n' roll haven. 205 00:13:22,719 --> 00:13:27,182 If it wasn't for our mom... She let us turn our whole entire room 206 00:13:27,224 --> 00:13:29,768 into a workroom for music. 207 00:13:30,143 --> 00:13:33,355 DANNIS: She got behind everything we wanted to do. 208 00:13:33,438 --> 00:13:36,691 While I'm on camera, I'm gonna say, "Thank you, Mom. Thank you." 209 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:38,860 BOBBY: And she just made an agreement with us. 210 00:13:38,944 --> 00:13:40,529 She said, "Hey, look, 3:00 to 6:00 is your time. 211 00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:42,364 "After 6:00, you gotta cut it off." 212 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:46,576 MAN: (ON RECORDING) All right now, here we go. We're gonna get this right. 213 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,370 One, two, three! 214 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:50,205 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 215 00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:58,088 David, he could practice for hours and hours and hours, literally. 216 00:14:02,259 --> 00:14:04,845 BOBBY: He got to the point to where he played along 217 00:14:04,886 --> 00:14:07,764 with just about every album that was in our collection. 218 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:11,059 So he was learning Queen, he was learning the Who. 219 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:16,982 David had a slogan. He said, "if I could play chords like Peter Townsend 220 00:14:17,065 --> 00:14:19,651 "and play lead like Jimi Hendrix, 221 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:23,029 "I am the ideal guitar player." 222 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:27,033 David's amp was always positioned right here, because he liked it like that... 223 00:14:27,075 --> 00:14:30,579 So he could, you know, roust up the neighbors. 224 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:36,126 And then there was like a... Some girls... 225 00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:39,296 We'd be practicing so loud, that after we're done with a song, 226 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:42,757 we could hear all this loud knocking on the door. 227 00:14:42,841 --> 00:14:44,509 And that was them trying to get in. 228 00:14:44,926 --> 00:14:49,764 One day this transpired and David started playing these riffs, you know? 229 00:14:49,973 --> 00:14:52,058 (KEEP ON KNOCKING PLPOHNG) 230 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:58,315 You know, we just came up with the words right then and there, you know? 231 00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:01,818 -"Keep on knockin'." -"Keep on knockin'," you know? 232 00:15:01,943 --> 00:15:04,070 (SONG PLAYING) 233 00:15:13,663 --> 00:15:15,373 EARL JR.: (LAUGHING) And then they're playing in the house, 234 00:15:15,457 --> 00:15:17,208 and, oh, man, they were... 235 00:15:17,292 --> 00:15:20,587 They sent people down the street holding their head. 236 00:15:23,548 --> 00:15:26,343 DANNIS: You know, we would start to practice and the doors would slam 237 00:15:26,468 --> 00:15:30,388 and the cop cars would pull up, because we know they called them on us. 238 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:32,557 BOBBY: See, we grew up in the black community, so... 239 00:15:32,807 --> 00:15:36,144 At that time people were tuning into, like, groups like Earth, Wind and Fire. 240 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:39,522 DANNIS: And, you know, here we are in the middle of all of this 241 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,608 playing rock 'n' roll. 242 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:45,487 And, I mean, it was just... it wasn't a rock 'n' roll culture. 243 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:47,155 White boy music! 244 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:55,163 I mean, the more people tried to talk to us about changing, 245 00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:58,500 I think the deeper we went into rock 'n' roll. 246 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:00,502 MAN". One, two, three, now! 247 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:02,712 (ROCK-N-ROLL VICTIM PLPOHNG) 248 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:12,722 (SINGING) 249 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:23,024 All of that is pure anger. 250 00:16:23,108 --> 00:16:27,278 We are fighting with the neighbors to maintain our identity. 251 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:31,700 And we would not be not heard, especially with David. 252 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,703 (LAUGHING) And people were running around, 253 00:16:34,786 --> 00:16:37,205 "Turn it down! Turn it down!" 254 00:16:50,218 --> 00:16:53,888 BOBBY'. My dad, Earl V. Hackney, died. 255 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:59,436 Though it was an accident, I think it impressed us a lot in our lives 256 00:16:59,894 --> 00:17:03,440 from then on, when they described to us how he died. 257 00:17:04,607 --> 00:17:06,234 DANNIS: He was an electric lineman, 258 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:09,446 so his job was to climb up the poles, fix the wires. 259 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:12,240 I guess he had a trainee with him one night. 260 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:17,579 And this trainee, I guess, stuck his screwdriver in the wrong place. 261 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,583 And he got shocked, and it threw him off the pole. 262 00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:27,255 So my dad races down the pole, you know, throws him in the back of the car... 263 00:17:27,297 --> 00:17:29,424 And they take off for the hospital. 264 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:33,094 Butjust so happened, a bar was letting out. 265 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:36,473 And there was a person who was drunk behind the wheel 266 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,601 and they swung right out in front of him. 267 00:17:39,642 --> 00:17:44,189 And he slammed right into her and he died instantly. 268 00:17:52,197 --> 00:17:56,284 BOBBY". I mean, the last thing that he did before he left this world was a noble deed. 269 00:17:56,326 --> 00:17:58,495 He was trying to help someone. 270 00:18:09,047 --> 00:18:11,966 BOBBY'. I think when my dad died, 271 00:18:12,383 --> 00:18:17,305 it had really a big effect on David, as it did all of us. 272 00:18:17,722 --> 00:18:21,935 Um, and David became obsessed 273 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:24,896 with a lot of spirituality. 274 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:30,568 Seeing our dad at a funeral, I think really was for the first time 275 00:18:31,152 --> 00:18:36,199 that we was up close and personal with dying, 276 00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:39,786 and the fact that someone that you love... 277 00:18:39,828 --> 00:18:42,455 You're never gonna see this person in this existence. 278 00:18:42,997 --> 00:18:47,127 And that, I think, had a big effect on all of us, 279 00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:49,462 but on David probably the most. 280 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:57,262 DANNIS: Bobby was in school, I was at work. 281 00:18:57,345 --> 00:19:00,014 So when we get home, David says, 282 00:19:00,056 --> 00:19:04,310 "Man, I got this great, great new idea for the name of the band." 283 00:19:04,894 --> 00:19:07,856 So he holds us in suspense. Let's run up to the room 284 00:19:07,939 --> 00:19:11,442 and find out what this great name is that David then came up with. 285 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,821 We're waiting with much suspense. 286 00:19:14,863 --> 00:19:19,117 And as soon as he says, "Yeah, this is the name, dude. Death." 287 00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:23,872 Death. Oh, man. 288 00:19:25,456 --> 00:19:29,544 DANNIS: So me and Bobby just kind of looked at each other as if to say, 289 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:32,297 "This dude's gone way off the deep end." 290 00:19:33,256 --> 00:19:35,592 I know what I would do if somebody came up to me 291 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,052 talking about their band, the name of their band was Death. 292 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:40,972 I'd be like, "You don't wanna... No, I don't wanna hear it." 293 00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:45,185 DANNIS: But there again, that old thing in the back of your head kicks in. 294 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:48,396 "Back up your brother. Back up your brother." 295 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,941 BOBBY: And David always said that our name would have shock value. 296 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:56,362 And we're like, "Why would you say that?" He says, "Because death is real." 297 00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:59,741 DANNIS: He had so much conviction, so much belief, 298 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:02,202 until we just went along with it. 299 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:06,915 And that was right around the spring of 1974. 300 00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:09,918 Yeah, that's when we became Death. 301 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:11,586 MAN: (ON RECORDING) Death! 302 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:13,796 (LET THE WORLD TURN PLAYING) 303 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:30,396 (SINGING) 304 00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:53,795 This picture right here was taken in 1975. 305 00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:59,550 And from our mother's back yard in Detroit. 306 00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:03,054 David looked up into the sky and he saw a triangle. 307 00:21:03,137 --> 00:21:05,390 As you can see, there's a triangle right there. 308 00:21:06,307 --> 00:21:10,645 And also there's a face. 309 00:21:11,646 --> 00:21:16,067 David said that that was the face of God watching over the triangle. 310 00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:20,029 And he used to tell us that was a message to us, you know. 311 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:24,325 Hey, this is what Dave was in tune to. This is what he was all about. 312 00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:47,849 DANNIS: David wanted to put a positive spin on death. 313 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:50,059 It's kind of like birth. 314 00:21:50,685 --> 00:21:53,604 It's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing. 315 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:56,858 BOBBY: Yeah, well, see, this right here was David's concept. 316 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,402 He calls it the death triangle. 317 00:21:59,485 --> 00:22:04,032 And what it basically means is the three elements of life, 318 00:22:04,866 --> 00:22:10,079 which is spiritual, mental, physical. 319 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:15,209 And this right here means that's the guiding spirit. 320 00:22:15,293 --> 00:22:18,796 And that's what David said. This right here is God. 321 00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:23,343 DANNIS: The stuff that used to come out of his head was just so, you know, 322 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:26,888 it was original, but, you know, when you first heard it, 323 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,890 it just sounded crazy. 324 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:52,372 DAVID: (ECHOING) The ultimate trip. 325 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:55,583 Death. 326 00:23:01,422 --> 00:23:02,632 DANNB'. David... 327 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,427 Okay, since he's proclaiming the leader of the band... 328 00:23:06,469 --> 00:23:10,723 We said, "David, we need a contract." Okay? 329 00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:16,479 So, well, David takes the yellow pages, nails it to the wall 330 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:18,940 and go gets a dart. 331 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,610 He opens it to the music section, 332 00:23:23,111 --> 00:23:27,198 where you have all your producers and music offices and... 333 00:23:27,949 --> 00:23:31,953 He opens the yellow pages, nails it to the wall, takes the dart... 334 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:37,291 And the dart lands on Groovesville Productions. 335 00:23:37,333 --> 00:23:40,420 He said, "Those are the guys we're gonna call." 336 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:50,263 DANNIS: There's Groovesville Productions. 337 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:54,183 I always remember these yellow bricks, 338 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:56,978 'cause this is where the studio was. 339 00:23:57,812 --> 00:24:00,982 DANNIS: Now, Groovesville, they were a production company 340 00:24:01,065 --> 00:24:06,529 that handled people like Johnnie Taylor, The Dramatics. 341 00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:09,949 And their leader was Don Davis, 342 00:24:09,991 --> 00:24:13,494 who was just a Detroit music mogul. 343 00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:16,789 Hello. My name is Don Davis. 344 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,502 I am a record producer. 345 00:24:21,836 --> 00:24:24,172 I am a music publisher. 346 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:28,551 And I am a studio owner. 347 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:34,056 And just more recently, I am the proud owner 348 00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:37,351 of First Independence National Bank. 349 00:24:38,436 --> 00:24:40,938 DANNIS: Maybe we should knock on the door and just... 350 00:24:41,022 --> 00:24:42,148 Yeah. 351 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:45,026 The Hackney brothers came in to my office, 352 00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:49,447 because before you get to Don Davis, the producer, 353 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:52,241 you had to come through the Groovesville office, 354 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:54,619 which was my domain. 355 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:57,580 Hey, how you doing? 356 00:24:58,414 --> 00:25:00,917 I met the Hackney brothers. 357 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:06,380 And played me some demos that I just thought were absolutely wonderful. 358 00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:08,674 BOBBY: This was Brian Spears' office, wasn't it? 359 00:25:08,716 --> 00:25:13,471 This is the room where Death auditioned for Brian Spears. 360 00:25:13,804 --> 00:25:16,390 - This is the room. - Still got the original furniture. 361 00:25:16,474 --> 00:25:19,852 He had the tape... On this shelf... 362 00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,395 On this shelf 363 00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:24,065 he had the reel-to-reel tape. 364 00:25:24,607 --> 00:25:29,695 And Brian sat in this... At this desk. 365 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:34,033 SPEARS: I was just blown away by the energy of David Hackney. 366 00:25:34,408 --> 00:25:39,080 He just knew that this is what their destiny was gonna be. 367 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:43,417 DANNIS: Through a couple of auditions, we ended up signing with them. 368 00:25:43,459 --> 00:25:46,963 And it just so happens that they was running the stellar, 369 00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:51,634 legendary recording studio of Detroit called United Sounds. 370 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:55,721 I mean, if you were a musician in Detroit, you knew about United Sounds. 371 00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:58,891 SPEARS: Let's see, I can tell you the exact date they were in the studio. 372 00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:00,768 They were in the studio 373 00:26:00,935 --> 00:26:06,941 February the 18th, it was a Wednesday, in 1975. 374 00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:10,611 "Death and Legacy are in the studio cutting." 375 00:26:11,362 --> 00:26:13,447 (LAUGHS) It's right here. 376 00:26:15,199 --> 00:26:16,784 BOBBY: We used to just love to come here, man. 377 00:26:16,826 --> 00:26:20,955 This is where we spent the entire summer of 1975. 378 00:26:21,622 --> 00:26:24,333 We spent it right around, in and around this building, 379 00:26:24,792 --> 00:26:27,295 recording that Death album. 380 00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:30,256 The moment that that band 381 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:35,970 fired up those instruments, it was just amazing. 382 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:37,096 MAN". One, two, three, now! 383 00:26:37,138 --> 00:26:38,889 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 384 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:49,275 I think with every song that they played, 385 00:26:49,525 --> 00:26:53,321 the energy level just kept growing and growing, 386 00:26:53,404 --> 00:26:55,615 because they just wanted to show 387 00:26:55,656 --> 00:27:01,579 every bit of talent that they had on every song. 388 00:27:02,371 --> 00:27:04,707 (POLITICIANS IN MY EYES PLAYING) 389 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:16,927 SPEARS: It was amazing to me, 390 00:27:17,011 --> 00:27:21,682 to see such young players 391 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:25,353 have so much to say through their music. 392 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:53,839 BOBBY: Course, we were the loudest thing that they'd ever seen. 393 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:56,342 David, he went in there and he showed them 394 00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,970 -what his double-stacked Marshalls could do. - Yeah. 395 00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:02,973 And they were like, "Okay, we hear it. 396 00:28:03,391 --> 00:28:04,558 "Please turn it down." 397 00:28:04,642 --> 00:28:06,018 (LAUGHS) 398 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:07,395 Exactly. 399 00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:39,552 SPEARS: Once we were pretty much happy with the mixes, 400 00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:43,848 I grabbed Don Davis and I said to Don, 401 00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:46,684 "Look,you“. You've gotta listen to these guys." 402 00:28:46,934 --> 00:28:51,856 I'm like, "Brian, have you lost your mind? 403 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:57,236 "Nobody is going to buy a song 404 00:28:57,486 --> 00:29:00,781 "on a group called D-E-A-T-H. 405 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,618 "What's the matter with you?" 406 00:29:04,785 --> 00:29:11,625 (STAMMERING) I know the name is gonna be a drawback, 407 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:16,922 but, you know, I convinced Don that on his next trip, we need to start 408 00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,717 showing the group around. 409 00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:26,307 BOBBY: We got turned down by every major label in the UK. 410 00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:30,978 'Cause, I mean, we had gotten a rejection letter 411 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:33,481 that said we tried all these labels. 412 00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:36,609 He says, "As far as I'm concerned, don't even look anymore." 413 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,404 DANNIS: He went all the way pretty much around the world 414 00:29:40,488 --> 00:29:42,323 looking for a contract. 415 00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:44,158 Everybody turned us down. 416 00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:48,579 The name had really seemed to be a roadblock. 417 00:29:53,334 --> 00:29:55,753 So I got this 418 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,048 setting with Clive Davis. 419 00:30:00,174 --> 00:30:03,636 And it caused a very interesting stir, 420 00:30:03,677 --> 00:30:05,888 because they were really focused on this record, 421 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:07,932 and they wanted to get involved in it. 422 00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:12,353 The first reaction was, "Hey, this... You know, great stuff." 423 00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:16,774 Possibly we may be on the brink of a deal, 424 00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:19,401 but there's one sticking point. 425 00:30:19,735 --> 00:30:23,781 Clive Davis expressed that he really didn't care 426 00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,616 for the name of the band. 427 00:30:25,699 --> 00:30:29,703 Brian had told us, he says, "You guys might have a record deal, uh, 428 00:30:29,787 --> 00:30:32,665 "if you are willing to change the name." 429 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:38,337 DAN N IS: That sent David into another place, 430 00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:42,925 because he had his Death concept and the concept went with the name 431 00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:46,929 and the band went with the concept, and nothing could change! 432 00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:51,600 BOBBY: David, in no uncertain terms, just said, "Tell Clive Davis to go to hell. " 433 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:57,147 DANNIS: Okay, so David, our illustrious leader, turned the deal down. 434 00:31:02,444 --> 00:31:06,866 When that came out of David's mouth, me and Bob had nothing coming out of ours. 435 00:31:07,533 --> 00:31:08,909 We were flabbergasted. 436 00:31:08,951 --> 00:31:14,331 Even though we didn't agree with it, in public, back up your brother. 437 00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:18,252 But in private, we had a bitter argument about that. 438 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:22,172 "Listen, man, these guys wanna give us a $20,000 contract." 439 00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:25,384 And in the '70s, you know, that's a pretty big contract. 440 00:31:25,467 --> 00:31:27,845 We could've actually just went ahead and changed the name. 441 00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:30,890 I mean, how many times we gonna get a contract like this? 442 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,767 And, you know, then Dave got mad at us. 443 00:31:37,021 --> 00:31:41,317 If we give them the title to our band, 444 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,653 Dave said you might as well give them everything else. 445 00:31:45,446 --> 00:31:48,449 DANWS: He always believed in the music, and I have to admit, 446 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:51,035 a bit more than me or Bob did, 447 00:31:51,118 --> 00:31:54,622 because, you know, we were willing to make concessions. 448 00:31:54,705 --> 00:31:57,124 Dave was absolutely not. 449 00:31:57,708 --> 00:32:02,630 And he stuck to his guns. He stuck to his guns, man. 450 00:32:02,713 --> 00:32:05,799 Yeah, I would've changed it in a split second. 451 00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:08,302 Okay, I would have. 452 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,891 But my spirit was telling me, "Go with your brother." 453 00:32:18,312 --> 00:32:21,440 You know, we just went in the office one day and... 454 00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:26,320 Brian told us that Don has decided to put a release on us. 455 00:32:27,321 --> 00:32:31,200 David just stood there and calmly asked them, he says, "Can I have the masters?" 456 00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:32,868 (LAUGHS) 457 00:32:33,494 --> 00:32:35,871 "Why not just give us our music and let us walk?" 458 00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:38,207 And Brian said, "Hey, no problem." 459 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:42,002 SPEARS: And I was able to arrange to get the masters 460 00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,088 turned back over to the group. 461 00:32:44,171 --> 00:32:46,632 So we took those master tapes that he gave us 462 00:32:46,674 --> 00:32:51,387 and we printed up 50045s. 463 00:32:59,353 --> 00:33:00,980 BOBBY: And the reason we pressed those 500, 464 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,607 'cause we wanted to get radio airplay. 465 00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:08,362 And it was frustrating, because the rock stations that we loved, they would play it, 466 00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:10,948 but very sporadically. 467 00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:15,035 We never could get them to play it enough to really make a difference. 468 00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,496 And it would happen every time we'd tell somebody. 469 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,164 They'd say, "Well, what's the name of the band?" 470 00:33:19,248 --> 00:33:20,916 And, you know, we'd kind of... 471 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,459 (SIGHS HEAVILY) 472 00:33:22,543 --> 00:33:26,380 Do one of those and then we'd tell them the name of the band. 473 00:33:27,548 --> 00:33:30,718 And we'd get the same old reaction that we were expecting to get. 474 00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:33,721 You know, rejection. 475 00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:46,275 BOBBY: We ended up having to just kind of get rid of all of our equipment, 476 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,277 'cause we needed money at the time. 477 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,405 We gotta bail ourselves out of a number of things. 478 00:33:52,114 --> 00:33:53,824 And what happened was, 479 00:33:53,907 --> 00:33:56,368 our distant relative, his name was Donald Knight, 480 00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:59,371 he says, "Well, you know, why don't you guys just come up to New England 481 00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:01,665 "for a couple of weeks, just clear your head?" 482 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:02,958 We didn't even know what he was talking about. 483 00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:04,793 We thought he was talking about flying across the Atlantic. 484 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,920 We're like, "New England? What'd you do with the old one?" 485 00:34:07,004 --> 00:34:11,008 We took him up on that offer, because basically there was nothing else 486 00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:12,885 left to do in Detroit. 487 00:34:35,616 --> 00:34:38,827 DANNIS: So we came up here on a two-week vacation, 488 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:41,872 and we just never went back. 489 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:45,959 We found apartments, 490 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:49,004 and then we eventually bought even musical gear. 491 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,634 DANNIS: When we first got to Burlington, 492 00:34:53,675 --> 00:34:57,137 David, he wanted to introduce the town to the band. 493 00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:00,641 Well, David went down the street. 494 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:02,101 On each pole, 495 00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:04,478 he put a Death poster. 496 00:35:04,937 --> 00:35:08,190 So I think he had about 500 of them printed up. 497 00:35:08,524 --> 00:35:12,069 DANNIS: I mean, the cops must've just went by every pole he was at 498 00:35:12,152 --> 00:35:15,280 and just grabbed them off, 'cause when the cop came to the door, 499 00:35:15,322 --> 00:35:18,826 he said, "This is a peaceful town, 500 00:35:18,909 --> 00:35:21,411 "and we don't have gangs here." 501 00:35:21,495 --> 00:35:23,997 That's when I said, "Dave, you better come to the door, man. 502 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,834 "They think you're about to start a street gang." 503 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,294 You know, he says, "No, man, this is a musical group. 504 00:35:29,378 --> 00:35:30,587 "This is all about music." 505 00:35:30,671 --> 00:35:34,842 He says, "Well, if you wanna get anywhere around here, you'll change that name." 506 00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:45,894 You know, after he left, I just closed the door and I said "That's it, man. I'm just tired of it." 507 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,732 I'm tired of the rejection, I'm tired of the snide comments. 508 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:52,192 I'm done With it. 509 00:35:53,277 --> 00:35:57,865 BOBBY: We just understood that we tried our best with Death. 510 00:35:57,948 --> 00:36:02,536 We hung in there from '73 to 1980, 511 00:36:02,703 --> 00:36:05,914 dealing with rejection for our name, rejection for our music, 512 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,834 rejection for the fact that we were black and playing rock 'n' roll, 513 00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:11,211 rejection for the fact that our music was too fast, 514 00:36:11,295 --> 00:36:13,255 rejection for... So many rejections. 515 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:18,427 DANNIS: David, he felt the rejection as well as we did. I mean, he knew. 516 00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,723 I think it was David who came up with the name 4th Movement. 517 00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:27,728 We didn't even listen to the concept or why he came up with the name. 518 00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:31,064 It wasn't Death, so me and Bob was just like, "Yeah, okay. 519 00:36:31,231 --> 00:36:32,274 "That's a good name." 520 00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:36,737 (SONG PLAYING) 521 00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:51,168 We just decided to take our rock 'n' roll sound 522 00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:52,961 and give it a spiritual concept. 523 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:57,633 (SONG PLAYING) 524 00:37:07,226 --> 00:37:08,435 (LAUGHS) 525 00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:31,166 DANMS: There was a campus newspaper and the name of the article was, 526 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:34,211 "Rock 'n' Roll, Hold The Religion, Please." 527 00:37:34,461 --> 00:37:36,755 And they were saying how good the music was, 528 00:37:36,797 --> 00:37:40,926 but how they didn't like the religious aspects that went along with it. 529 00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,766 BOBBY: After all the rejection that we 'd been through with Death, 530 00:37:47,975 --> 00:37:50,477 there's this big old article in The Cynic saying, 531 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,188 "Nice music, hold the religion," with our picture by it. 532 00:37:54,314 --> 00:37:57,192 DAN N IS: Dave took it really personally, 533 00:37:57,276 --> 00:38:00,654 and I think he had just got fed up with the rejection, too. 534 00:38:00,737 --> 00:38:03,991 That's when the homesick for Detroit thing started to brewing up. 535 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,701 He wanted to go back to Detroit. 536 00:38:05,867 --> 00:38:09,496 He really, literally, wanted to bottle up everything 537 00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:13,166 and take it with him, including us. He wanted us to fold up. 538 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:16,670 But at the time, I mean, I had brought my wife, Tammy. 539 00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:23,719 And she had just had a little baby, little Bobby. 540 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:32,561 We just didn't wanna pack up and go back to Detroit, you know? 541 00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:36,565 So David went back to Detroit. 542 00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:52,622 Well, lam Heidi Simpson, and David Hackney was my late husband. 543 00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:54,541 Well, let me see. 544 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:57,085 Well, we moved from 545 00:38:58,295 --> 00:39:01,340 Vermont to Detroit in 1982. 546 00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:05,510 He wasn't working at that time. I know that. 547 00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:11,224 He was staying at home and playing his music to himself 548 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,978 and trying to figure out what he wanted to do himself. 549 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:20,233 He just wasn't no typical working person that, like, out there, doing the 9:00 to 5:00. 550 00:39:21,318 --> 00:39:23,111 And he was a dreamer. 551 00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:25,572 (CLEARS THROAT) He liked, uh... 552 00:39:27,366 --> 00:39:29,743 He would sit out on the porch and just look in the... 553 00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:32,871 In the clouds in the sky 554 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:35,749 and make pictures out of the clouds. 555 00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:43,590 (INDISTINCT) 556 00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:49,763 BOBBY: We went for about two or three years without a guitar player. 557 00:39:49,805 --> 00:39:53,058 Yeah, we would practice the same way every day that we always did. 558 00:39:57,521 --> 00:40:01,900 DANNIS: 'Cause we was always on the idea that David would come back. 559 00:40:01,942 --> 00:40:07,989 As time went on, we finally realized, "Well, maybe Dave's not coming back." 560 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,035 So me and Bob stayed here and that's how Lambsbread was born. 561 00:40:12,619 --> 00:40:14,246 (REGGAE PLAYING) 562 00:40:26,383 --> 00:40:29,845 BOBBY: We looked at each other and said, "Man, this is a no-brainer. " 563 00:40:30,137 --> 00:40:31,513 People love this music. 564 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,016 It's ruled by the bass and drums 565 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:37,561 and that's all we got right now. 566 00:40:38,979 --> 00:40:42,232 So it was a no-brainer. That's how we gravitated to reggae. 567 00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:44,651 (REGGAE PLAYING) 568 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,325 DANNIS: We was able to find ourselves a booking agent 569 00:40:52,492 --> 00:40:54,995 and get on the road as Lambsbread. 570 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:57,372 (REGGAE PLAYING) 571 00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:00,000 We love you people! 572 00:41:02,169 --> 00:41:04,754 So somebody say you wanna fire up some ganja! 573 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:09,259 Fire the ganja? 574 00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:14,806 (SINGING) 575 00:41:24,107 --> 00:41:27,736 DANNIS: And we was actually glad that we had put down the name Death 576 00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:31,656 because we thought, okay, now that we got rid of that, you know, 577 00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:33,742 things are beginning to open up for us. 578 00:41:34,367 --> 00:41:37,704 Let them know it's true. Come on! 579 00:41:37,787 --> 00:41:40,123 DANNIS: That might've rubbed David the wrong way, 580 00:41:40,207 --> 00:41:43,668 'cause at first he didn't really take to the news 581 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:46,546 that me and Bob was forming a reggae band. 582 00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:54,721 It was like, "Oh, well, those cats done abandoned rock 'n' roll." 583 00:41:54,763 --> 00:41:57,349 No, man, we were sitting back waiting for you to come, 584 00:41:57,390 --> 00:42:00,977 but you didn't come, so we had to busy ourselves with something. 585 00:42:01,645 --> 00:42:03,939 BOBBY: I don't think he was comfortable with the fact that 586 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,108 we traded in our rock 'n' roll shoes for reggae. 587 00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:11,071 You know, in his eyes, we were still Death. 588 00:42:25,919 --> 00:42:30,882 BOBBY JR.: When I was young, my father, he was a reggae musician. 589 00:42:31,258 --> 00:42:32,801 As a kid, that's all I knew... 590 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:36,805 I just knew them as reggae musicians. And I just knew them as Lambsbread. 591 00:42:37,013 --> 00:42:40,058 We did the same thing that our mom and dad did for us. 592 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,477 We just made music available to them. 593 00:42:42,561 --> 00:42:46,565 My Uncle Dannie taught me all the basics of drumming, 594 00:42:46,648 --> 00:42:47,732 which was really awesome. 595 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:50,402 DANNIS: And I used to bring him behind the drum set, 596 00:42:50,485 --> 00:42:56,074 and I would put a stick in each of his hands and kind of move his hands for him. 597 00:42:56,116 --> 00:42:58,827 And then when Bob had his other sons... 598 00:43:02,539 --> 00:43:06,251 When they saw how Bobby played the drums, I guess, you know, 599 00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:07,961 all of them wanted to play the drums. 600 00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:11,715 Well, I was always, you know, influenced by my Uncle Dannie and Bobby, 601 00:43:11,798 --> 00:43:14,759 'cause, you know, he always had drums laying around the room 602 00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:16,595 and I kind of caught on to that. 603 00:43:16,636 --> 00:43:20,265 Yeah, my dad and uncle, they always had a very strong, 604 00:43:20,307 --> 00:43:22,142 serious musical connection, 605 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:25,812 and that was something that made a profound impact on me. 606 00:43:25,895 --> 00:43:27,314 Bobby came to me one day and says, 607 00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:30,817 "Hey, man, you're turning all of my sons into drummers." 608 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,652 (LAUGHS) You know? 609 00:43:37,157 --> 00:43:41,995 My Uncle Dave, he was really my... One of my favorite uncles. 610 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:46,666 And he was just always so crazy and so out there and so out of the box. 611 00:43:47,334 --> 00:43:50,629 JULIAN: He just had the best sense of humor and the best laugh, 612 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,339 and I used to love talking to him. 613 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:56,635 You know? 'Cause he was just so lively and so funny, you know? 614 00:43:56,676 --> 00:43:58,261 He was like a child. 615 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:04,267 BOBBY: The thing that was kind of sad was I never got to see him at his prime. 616 00:44:04,351 --> 00:44:07,395 I only... 'Cause he was... 617 00:44:07,479 --> 00:44:10,899 He really got into the bottle, he really got into alcohol. 618 00:44:11,024 --> 00:44:15,445 So most of the time that I saw him, he was always drunk. 619 00:44:15,528 --> 00:44:17,238 BOBBY'. David thought... 620 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,532 He's one of these genius types, man, you know? 621 00:44:19,616 --> 00:44:22,911 I mean, the demons get to you. You know what I mean? 622 00:44:23,411 --> 00:44:24,871 The demons get to you. 623 00:44:25,872 --> 00:44:29,042 EARL JR.: And David was gonna do what he was gonna do. 624 00:44:31,211 --> 00:44:33,171 And he was hell-bent on that. 625 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,383 And nobody was gonna mess with him. 626 00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:39,552 And the more that people tried to 627 00:44:40,637 --> 00:44:43,765 correct him, if you will, or change him, 628 00:44:44,808 --> 00:44:48,144 the worse it became, okay? 629 00:44:48,728 --> 00:44:50,438 He was a visionary. 630 00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:52,732 He had a plan, 631 00:44:52,774 --> 00:44:57,237 and that plan didn't go through the way he wanted it to. 632 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,742 And I think part of his drinking then was from not being able to 633 00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:06,746 fully express what he wanted to do with his music and his art. 634 00:45:09,249 --> 00:45:12,919 This is part of the diary that David had started, 635 00:45:13,002 --> 00:45:15,255 and he's just talking about, 636 00:45:16,673 --> 00:45:19,342 uh, one day of his life. 637 00:45:20,343 --> 00:45:22,846 "Check the dreams that are in your mind. 638 00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:26,015 "Take a flight to see which ones are really there. 639 00:45:26,141 --> 00:45:29,519 "Open up your eyes and see the paradise of a dream. 640 00:45:29,936 --> 00:45:32,647 "The world we know shall be no more." 641 00:45:34,691 --> 00:45:37,944 That was when David revealed that 642 00:45:38,862 --> 00:45:45,577 his music would not come forth until after he had left this earth. 643 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:51,750 I think he was just feeling like he wanted to leave back then. 644 00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:54,002 He always was in another world, like, 645 00:45:54,127 --> 00:45:57,756 he just kept saying that he didn't wanna be here anymore. 646 00:46:13,021 --> 00:46:16,024 Hendrix. Uh, no, he was never an idol. 647 00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:18,401 He was like an influence to me. 648 00:46:19,486 --> 00:46:21,488 I don't have any idols, 649 00:46:21,571 --> 00:46:23,364 not on this earth. 650 00:46:23,448 --> 00:46:25,700 My idol is Jesus Christ. 651 00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:28,912 I follow him, until the day I die. 652 00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:34,375 And then show me how to get up to the orchestra, you know, 653 00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:37,003 that's gonna play in front of the throne of God. 654 00:46:37,045 --> 00:46:38,922 That's my destination. 655 00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,549 I wanna play 656 00:46:42,383 --> 00:46:44,385 in front of the throne 657 00:46:45,845 --> 00:46:47,472 of Almighty God. 658 00:46:56,356 --> 00:46:58,358 DANNIS: And the last time David was up here, 659 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,778 the last thing he did, he filmed my wedding. 660 00:47:03,947 --> 00:47:05,698 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 661 00:47:07,909 --> 00:47:10,703 DAVID: All right, we at the church, here. 662 00:47:10,912 --> 00:47:12,956 And this is what it looks like inside. 663 00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:19,337 There go the groom. 664 00:47:20,296 --> 00:47:22,215 (WEDDING MARCH PLAYING) 665 00:47:22,841 --> 00:47:25,134 There go the bride 666 00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:27,887 and her dad. 667 00:47:31,391 --> 00:47:32,684 (DAVID LAUGHS) 668 00:47:32,725 --> 00:47:34,269 Look at Dannie. 669 00:47:35,728 --> 00:47:37,605 DANNIS: I had a conversation with my mother. 670 00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:39,858 She said, "You know what your brother David told me?" 671 00:47:40,441 --> 00:47:41,734 I said, "No, what'd he tell you?" 672 00:47:41,776 --> 00:47:43,903 "He said, 'When you get home, 673 00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:48,408 "'get ready to bury one of your sons."' 674 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,160 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 675 00:47:57,417 --> 00:48:00,879 And we noticed that he was frail 676 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,547 and that he didn't look that good. 677 00:48:03,006 --> 00:48:04,716 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 678 00:48:05,091 --> 00:48:06,593 Hey, man. Hey, man. 679 00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:07,719 (LAUGHS) 680 00:48:09,429 --> 00:48:11,514 BOBBY: And we asked him, you know, "ls everything okay?" 681 00:48:11,598 --> 00:48:13,683 And he never said nothing to anybody. He... 682 00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:16,394 "Yeah, everything's okay. Everything's... I'm all right. I'm all right." 683 00:48:16,436 --> 00:48:17,687 (MUSIC PLAYING) 684 00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:20,106 I just wanted to say these words, 685 00:48:20,815 --> 00:48:23,735 'cause me and my brother Dannie have been through heaven together, 686 00:48:23,776 --> 00:48:25,069 we've been through hell together, 687 00:48:25,111 --> 00:48:28,907 we've been down in the ditch, we've been on the heights. 688 00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:31,326 We've got a great career as musicians, 689 00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:35,830 and we're well-respected here in the community and we thank God for that. 690 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,042 DANNIS: But before Dave left my wedding, 691 00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:41,461 he brought all the Death master tapes 692 00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:43,463 and told Bob to hold them. 693 00:48:43,504 --> 00:48:47,216 He says, "One day the world's gonna come looking for this, 694 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,427 "and I know that you will keep them." 695 00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:54,223 (INAUDIBLE) 696 00:48:56,976 --> 00:48:58,645 BOBBY: And I say, "Dave, I have enough tapes. 697 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:00,063 "I got enough of our stuff, man." 698 00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,190 He says, "No." He says, "You gotta keep these." 699 00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:04,567 He says, "The world's gonna come looking for the Death stuff." 700 00:49:04,651 --> 00:49:07,445 And he says, "I know that you'll have it when they come looking for it." 701 00:49:13,743 --> 00:49:17,747 That was when he told us, he says, "Man, when y'all make it with this music," 702 00:49:18,247 --> 00:49:20,708 he says, "I'm not gonna be with you guys." 703 00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:29,550 When I hugged David before he left, 704 00:49:29,634 --> 00:49:32,929 David let me know that I wasn't gonna see him again. 705 00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:50,530 BOBBY: And then after he got back home, a few months later, 706 00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:53,032 we got a call from our brother Earl. 707 00:49:55,201 --> 00:49:58,204 You know, Earl said to me... 708 00:50:01,499 --> 00:50:03,543 He said, "He's dying, Bob." 709 00:50:05,169 --> 00:50:06,462 (SOBBING) 710 00:50:10,717 --> 00:50:13,886 I remember that so well, like it was yesterday. 711 00:50:15,388 --> 00:50:16,681 I mean... 712 00:50:19,225 --> 00:50:21,728 "What do you mean David's dying?" 713 00:50:22,562 --> 00:50:26,774 David had a pretty advanced cigarette habit 714 00:50:27,442 --> 00:50:30,820 that eventually ended up taking a toll on his life. 715 00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:36,951 He says, "Yeah, Bob," he says, "he's got full-blown lung cancer." 716 00:50:37,744 --> 00:50:39,746 And that just floored me. 717 00:50:40,955 --> 00:50:43,791 Once he hit intensive care, man, it was... 718 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:45,543 (EXHALES) 719 00:50:47,211 --> 00:50:48,796 It was all over. 720 00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:53,551 David died, 721 00:50:54,927 --> 00:50:55,928 uh, 722 00:50:56,596 --> 00:50:58,806 day after my wife's birthday. 723 00:51:00,516 --> 00:51:05,188 Tammy's birthday is on the 8th of October, and I think David died on the 9th. 724 00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:16,783 I just put the tapes in a safe place. 725 00:51:18,367 --> 00:51:20,369 I didn't think about them. 726 00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:24,665 I was thinking too much about David. 727 00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:35,885 DANNIS: When I eventually went to David's funeral in Detroit, 728 00:51:36,636 --> 00:51:38,304 I thought that, 729 00:51:38,346 --> 00:51:41,974 "I guess the Death thing is just gone with Dave." 730 00:51:50,066 --> 00:51:54,362 EARL JR.: David's dream and the thing that he always said was consistent 731 00:51:54,737 --> 00:51:55,780 from day one. 732 00:51:55,822 --> 00:51:59,659 And he never wavered in the story, nor his dream. 733 00:52:00,535 --> 00:52:03,746 And so, yes, he did carry that all the way up till the end. 734 00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:08,000 My wife used to say that Dave was Dave when he was playing his guitar. 735 00:52:11,712 --> 00:52:16,676 If you wanted to see the real Dave, you gotta catch him playing his guitar. 736 00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:22,390 BOBBY: You know, David continued to write beautiful music, right on up until he died. 737 00:52:25,977 --> 00:52:27,520 This right here 738 00:52:28,187 --> 00:52:29,397 is, um, 739 00:52:30,189 --> 00:52:32,859 the last record that David made 740 00:52:33,693 --> 00:52:35,236 before he died. 741 00:52:35,695 --> 00:52:38,990 And, as you can see, his nickname was Rough Francis. 742 00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:42,326 You know, the name of the song 'vs I'd Be Your Doggie. 743 00:52:43,035 --> 00:52:45,746 And then it was backed by a song called 744 00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:48,249 We're Gonna Make It. 745 00:52:52,253 --> 00:52:55,464 And you know who plays on this? David did recruit, 746 00:52:55,715 --> 00:52:59,218 uh, myself and Dannie to help him 747 00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:01,762 on the tracks on this. 748 00:53:01,846 --> 00:53:04,557 So, you know, this is kind of like 749 00:53:05,808 --> 00:53:09,395 the last time that we really got together 750 00:53:09,437 --> 00:53:11,230 and made a recording. 751 00:53:12,231 --> 00:53:17,236 (SINGING) 752 00:53:28,956 --> 00:53:34,045 "Now the way that it's been, we've seen thick and thin, and dark days all around us." 753 00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:35,254 Um... 754 00:53:36,631 --> 00:53:39,926 "But now that it's over, let our love grow stronger. 755 00:53:41,427 --> 00:53:43,429 "Don't you cry now, 756 00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:45,431 "we're gonna make it. 757 00:53:45,973 --> 00:53:48,726 "Don't you cry now, we're gonna make it." 758 00:53:48,768 --> 00:53:50,811 I think that says it all. 759 00:53:51,312 --> 00:53:54,607 We stuck together through thick and thin for 22 years. 760 00:53:56,025 --> 00:53:57,276 (SOBBING) 761 00:53:57,693 --> 00:54:00,738 (SONG PLAYING) 762 00:54:30,726 --> 00:54:32,061 (CABLE CAR RUMBLING) 763 00:54:36,816 --> 00:54:41,153 Talk about record collecting, he says. Well, you go by hunches. 764 00:54:41,237 --> 00:54:43,072 I mean, I found this in a thrift store. 765 00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,033 Glenn Schwartz and the All Saved Freak Band, 766 00:54:46,117 --> 00:54:47,910 with a brain on the cover. 767 00:54:47,994 --> 00:54:50,371 I thought, "How can I not take this home?" 768 00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:54,667 And here's my favorite Christian ventriloquist, 769 00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:56,836 Marcy and Little Marcy. 770 00:54:56,919 --> 00:55:00,256 Don Bolles, formerly of the Germs, actually tracked her down 771 00:55:00,339 --> 00:55:02,758 and got one of the dolls a while back. 772 00:55:02,842 --> 00:55:06,345 Robbie The Werewolf is sort of self-explanatory. 773 00:55:06,429 --> 00:55:09,181 This is a regular old lounge guy, but... 774 00:55:09,765 --> 00:55:12,435 (LAUGHS) 775 00:55:12,518 --> 00:55:14,520 Somebody to haunt you in your dreams. 776 00:55:15,354 --> 00:55:19,859 Anyway, so when I saw the Death record, the single, 777 00:55:19,942 --> 00:55:23,070 Politicians In My Eyes, pop up on this one guy's list, 778 00:55:23,154 --> 00:55:24,655 buried in everything else. 779 00:55:24,697 --> 00:55:28,034 The "Northern Soul," as they call it, for ridiculous amounts of money. 780 00:55:28,117 --> 00:55:31,120 And there was this little record, Politicians In My Eyes, and I thought, 781 00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:33,372 "This looks interesting." 782 00:55:38,044 --> 00:55:40,588 I was interviewing Jello Biafra 783 00:55:40,671 --> 00:55:43,049 for a book that some friends of mine were writing 784 00:55:43,132 --> 00:55:45,551 about the history of band T-shirts. 785 00:55:45,968 --> 00:55:48,929 I know that Jello's a really huge punk collector. 786 00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:51,140 And this collector friend of mine said, 787 00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:53,893 "Jello supposedly has a box of the Death single." 788 00:55:56,228 --> 00:55:57,480 And I said, "What's the Death single?" 789 00:55:57,563 --> 00:56:00,941 He's like, "Oh, man, it's this all-black punk band from Detroit 790 00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:02,777 "and it's super hard to find." 791 00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:11,994 Das was a guy that I'd seen coming into the record store often. 792 00:56:12,078 --> 00:56:13,954 He never talked. He was always very quiet. 793 00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:15,539 But he would buy really cool records. 794 00:56:15,581 --> 00:56:18,125 "I got a record you might be interested in. I'll just give you a copy. 795 00:56:18,209 --> 00:56:21,921 "It's friends of mine that I knew back when I was... 796 00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:23,923 "You know, just got out of college." 797 00:56:23,964 --> 00:56:26,592 So I gave him a brand-new copy of the Death record and he just like, 798 00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:27,635 "Where'd you get that?" 799 00:56:27,927 --> 00:56:31,639 He says, "Hey, you know, my friends gave me these 45s, 800 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:34,266 "and, uh, they told me to give them out to help promote their band, 801 00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:36,268 "and I never really got them out there. 802 00:56:36,352 --> 00:56:37,728 "But, you know, it's never too late. 803 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,439 "So, you know, if you could take these home and give these a listen... 804 00:56:40,481 --> 00:56:41,941 "These guys were friends of mine." 805 00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:47,571 BOBBY". Don Schwenk, we met in 1976, 806 00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:51,450 when we were releasing those Death 45s. 807 00:56:52,118 --> 00:56:56,163 And David had commissioned Don to do the artwork. 808 00:56:56,288 --> 00:56:58,833 And he wanted a triangle in the clouds. 809 00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:01,627 But, you know, of course, they never had the money 810 00:57:01,669 --> 00:57:03,129 to follow through on any of the stuff, 811 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:05,423 so, basically, I did all this artwork for them, 812 00:57:05,464 --> 00:57:08,342 but they couldn't pay me, so they traded me records. 813 00:57:08,426 --> 00:57:09,552 That's what happened. 814 00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:16,225 So now I got these clean copies of the Death 45 from Das. 815 00:57:17,977 --> 00:57:21,439 I left one on the counter here, and Ben Blackwell took that. 816 00:57:22,565 --> 00:57:25,609 So this 7-inch, it's a limited press, 817 00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:30,281 it's Detroit, it's punk rock, it's hard to find and not a lot of people know about it. 818 00:57:30,322 --> 00:57:34,410 I mean, this hits all of my checklist, you know, this is something meant for me. 819 00:57:34,493 --> 00:57:35,661 So there it is, 820 00:57:35,744 --> 00:57:37,830 Politicians In My Eyes, which is the A-side, 821 00:57:37,872 --> 00:57:40,958 and, uh, Keep On Knocking, which is the B-side. 822 00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:45,504 Later that night, another record collector 823 00:57:46,589 --> 00:57:48,966 told me the value of the record. 824 00:57:49,008 --> 00:57:50,885 He had heard of it, and I mentioned it to him. 825 00:57:50,968 --> 00:57:53,679 And he told me that, "Oh, you know, do you know what that thing's worth? 826 00:57:53,762 --> 00:57:55,181 "That's a really valuable record." 827 00:57:57,016 --> 00:58:00,060 So Matt Smith puts the 7-inch on eBay 828 00:58:00,144 --> 00:58:03,814 and he had it on eBay, "Buy It Now", 800 bucks. 829 00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:13,616 How I discovered the Death album was I saw an American unknown punk compilation, 830 00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:16,285 and Death was featured on Side B. 831 00:58:17,328 --> 00:58:20,706 I was completely blown away with such a great song, you know? 832 00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:23,584 I was asking myself, "Why was this band not known?" 833 00:58:23,667 --> 00:58:26,128 I knew I had to find that record. 834 00:58:28,589 --> 00:58:31,133 About a month after I had heard that compilation, 835 00:58:31,217 --> 00:58:34,094 I was eBaying and I noticed one for sale. 836 00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:36,722 And it was for $800. 837 00:58:37,598 --> 00:58:41,393 The old digs, Archer Record Pressing in Detroit, if they knew 838 00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:44,355 that something they pressed 30 years ago... 839 00:58:45,272 --> 00:58:48,692 Gosh, 35 almost, selling for 800 bucks. 840 00:58:50,444 --> 00:58:54,114 Why would anybody pay $800 for an old Keep On Knocking? 841 00:58:54,532 --> 00:58:57,952 I mean, if I had one, I would've gave the guy one. 842 00:59:03,207 --> 00:59:06,418 BLACKWELL: The idea of something that's been unheard, that excited me. 843 00:59:07,044 --> 00:59:09,713 This needs to come out. People need to hear this. This is important. 844 00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:12,341 I make some copies, I send them out 845 00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:15,302 to people that I know and to some people I don't know. 846 00:59:15,427 --> 00:59:19,557 One of the people I made a CD-R for was by the name of Henry Owings 847 00:59:19,598 --> 00:59:22,184 and he runs Chunklet magazine in Atlanta. 848 00:59:24,895 --> 00:59:26,605 And he posted them on Chunklet's website. 849 00:59:34,822 --> 00:59:38,617 BOBBY JR.: Julian moves out to California and he is out there just, you know, 850 00:59:38,701 --> 00:59:41,412 traveling, hanging outwith friends and stuff. 851 00:59:41,453 --> 00:59:44,456 JULIAN: And I had a friend, a roommate who, uh... 852 00:59:44,498 --> 00:59:47,543 She used to go to a lot of parties, and she used to go to all these parties, 853 00:59:47,626 --> 00:59:51,255 where these DJs would spin all these collectors' classics, 854 00:59:51,297 --> 00:59:54,550 and, you know, unheard of, just anomalies, 855 00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:57,720 and rare hidden gems and things like that. 856 00:59:57,803 --> 01:00:01,682 She came home one time, and was, like, just ranting and raving 857 01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:04,226 about all this new music that she had heard. 858 01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:07,521 And she wouldn't stop going on about this band Death. 859 01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:16,530 I did a little bit of research, 860 01:00:17,031 --> 01:00:20,659 and it didn't take long before I came across this website called Chunklet 861 01:00:21,452 --> 01:00:24,830 that Ben Blackwell had posted two songs. 862 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,416 (POLITICIANS IN MY EYES PLAYING) 863 01:00:34,506 --> 01:00:36,717 I heard that song, Politicians In My Eyes, 864 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,261 and I heard my dad's voice, 865 01:00:39,345 --> 01:00:42,890 and it was unmistakable, unmistakably his. 866 01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:45,559 (some CONTINUES) 867 01:00:51,732 --> 01:00:56,403 JULIAN: And it turns out that there were these three black brothers in Detroit in the '70s, 868 01:00:57,237 --> 01:00:58,822 by the name of Hackney. 869 01:00:58,864 --> 01:00:59,865 (GIGGLES) 870 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:01,450 And I call up my dad. 871 01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:04,411 (PHONE RINGING) 872 01:01:05,746 --> 01:01:08,082 BOBBY: And he called me up and he says, "Dad, do you realize 873 01:01:08,624 --> 01:01:12,211 "that they're playing your music at underground parties here?" 874 01:01:12,503 --> 01:01:14,713 And I'm like, "Are you talking about Lambsbread?" 875 01:01:14,838 --> 01:01:17,049 You know, I thought he was talking about our current reggae band. 876 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,511 And he says, "No, Dad." He says, "You were in a band in the '70s 877 01:01:20,844 --> 01:01:23,097 "from Detroit called Death." 878 01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:25,224 And then I just got quiet. 879 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:30,229 You know, "Dad, were you in a band in the '70s called Death?" 880 01:01:30,813 --> 01:01:33,273 He says, "Politicians In My Eyes, Keep On Knocking?" 881 01:01:33,357 --> 01:01:35,067 And when he said that, I said, "That's us." 882 01:01:35,651 --> 01:01:37,236 I'm like, "Dad! 883 01:01:38,529 --> 01:01:39,905 (SHOUTING) "Why didn't you tell me?" 884 01:01:39,988 --> 01:01:41,031 (LAUGHS) 885 01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:43,409 And then my brother would call up me and be like, 886 01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:44,576 "Bobby, you're not gonna believe this. 887 01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:48,205 "Like, Dad and Uncle Dannie and Uncle Dave were in this band called Death." 888 01:01:48,247 --> 01:01:50,833 He was telling me about the music, about how amazing it was. 889 01:01:50,916 --> 01:01:54,712 It was like the best rock 'n' roll he's ever heard. 890 01:01:54,753 --> 01:01:58,132 And then I play the MP3 891 01:01:58,215 --> 01:01:59,758 and my jaw drops. 892 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,926 MAN: (ON RECORDING) Death! 893 01:02:01,009 --> 01:02:02,845 (FREAK/N OUT PLAYING) 894 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:12,604 Like, I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. 895 01:02:12,646 --> 01:02:15,524 Like, my eyes started to tear up, 896 01:02:15,607 --> 01:02:19,403 the hairs were standing up on the back of my neck. 897 01:02:20,112 --> 01:02:21,572 I started shaking. 898 01:02:21,613 --> 01:02:24,491 (SONG PLAYING) 899 01:02:32,249 --> 01:02:34,960 BOBBY JR.: I just couldn't believe it because once I heard it, 900 01:02:35,294 --> 01:02:38,630 I knew, I just knew it was them. I could feel it. 901 01:02:38,672 --> 01:02:41,633 I was like, "This is my dad and my two uncles." 902 01:02:41,884 --> 01:02:45,095 (SONG PLAYING) 903 01:02:50,893 --> 01:02:52,644 URIAN: I was one of the first people to hear the record. 904 01:02:53,312 --> 01:02:56,690 And I could not believe, I like... it was unbelievable. 905 01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:00,652 (SONG PLAYING) 906 01:03:03,822 --> 01:03:06,700 JULIAN: It was raw punk, and I did not believe it at all. 907 01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:09,077 It was really a dream come true. 908 01:03:13,707 --> 01:03:17,878 I was like, "I can't believe that I know that I'm listening to 909 01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:21,173 "the best rock 'n' roll music I've ever heard, 910 01:03:21,215 --> 01:03:22,633 "and I'm the only person that knows about this. 911 01:03:22,674 --> 01:03:25,177 "I need..." Like, I started calling my friends. 912 01:03:25,469 --> 01:03:29,431 Bobby calls me up and he says... I didn't pick up, he left me a message. 913 01:03:29,515 --> 01:03:32,643 He says, "I gotta talk to you. I got some crazy news for you." 914 01:03:32,684 --> 01:03:36,772 And he said, "Yeah, you know, I found out that my dad was in kind of a protopunk band 915 01:03:36,855 --> 01:03:38,982 "in, like, the early, mid-'70s." And I was like, "What?" 916 01:03:39,024 --> 01:03:42,486 Then I made him a copy and told him to listen to it. 917 01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:45,113 And he had the same reaction I did. 918 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:49,243 So I post on various message boards, punk rock message boards. 919 01:03:50,494 --> 01:03:53,872 And posted a long story about everything I knew about Death, 920 01:03:53,956 --> 01:03:57,626 put up links to the songs, and just wanted to share this, 'cause I said, 921 01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:59,378 "Other people need to hear these songs." 922 01:03:59,711 --> 01:04:03,006 That post circulated all over the Internet. 923 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:09,304 To the point where it got the attention of Robert Manis, who is a record collector. 924 01:04:09,388 --> 01:04:14,309 I was still freaking out over that record, you know, I'd listen to it all the time. 925 01:04:16,144 --> 01:04:19,231 And I was just blogging. I typed in "Hackney Death," 926 01:04:19,731 --> 01:04:21,400 and this blog came up. 927 01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:26,530 So I dropped everything that I was doing, and I talked to, 928 01:04:26,572 --> 01:04:28,740 you know, a couple of the guys at Drag City. 929 01:04:32,077 --> 01:04:34,997 RIAN MURPHY: Well, we were talking to Robert Manis, 930 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:40,085 and so Robert sent over some MP3s of the Death single. 931 01:04:41,169 --> 01:04:45,883 It's like '70s garage like you've never heard it before. 932 01:04:46,425 --> 01:04:51,430 Just made us really excited to wanna be involved with the record, if we could. 933 01:04:51,763 --> 01:04:55,601 So, naturally, the thought turned to, "Reissuing a single is cool, 934 01:04:55,642 --> 01:04:58,562 "but if there's more material of a similar nature, 935 01:04:59,146 --> 01:05:00,689 "then you can reissue an album." 936 01:05:00,772 --> 01:05:02,482 And that seemed to be 937 01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:05,027 the next question. ls there an album out there? 938 01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:07,195 Where are these guys? Do they still exist? 939 01:05:10,824 --> 01:05:12,618 BOBBY: Let's give thanks. 940 01:05:12,951 --> 01:05:15,203 Lord, we thank you for this food that we are about to receive 941 01:05:15,287 --> 01:05:19,082 and we thank you for our family and all that you do for us. 942 01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:22,002 In Jesus' name, we thank you. Amen. 943 01:05:22,753 --> 01:05:23,921 Amen. 944 01:05:23,962 --> 01:05:24,963 Amen. 945 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:30,802 All right. 946 01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:39,186 What I do for a living is I work at St. Michael's College. 947 01:05:40,062 --> 01:05:42,689 I'm on the late-night maintenance crew. 948 01:05:52,366 --> 01:05:56,495 I've been able to give my kids the choice of going to college, through this job. 949 01:05:56,828 --> 01:05:59,247 I've been able to buy a house. 950 01:06:00,207 --> 01:06:04,878 To me, it's a good job that I can do while, uh... 951 01:06:04,962 --> 01:06:07,172 While I struggle as a musician. 952 01:06:09,174 --> 01:06:12,803 Getting the call from Drag City was really exciting, 953 01:06:14,346 --> 01:06:16,765 because every musician lives for that day, 954 01:06:16,848 --> 01:06:19,309 when you get the call from the record company. 955 01:06:20,352 --> 01:06:23,313 But after the excitement of that part wore off, 956 01:06:24,231 --> 01:06:29,069 you know, it's just bringing up a whole Wellspring of emotion. 957 01:06:30,737 --> 01:06:35,826 After starting a new band and after just creating a whole new life, all of a sudden, 958 01:06:35,867 --> 01:06:39,246 you know, something from your past just pulls you back. 959 01:06:39,329 --> 01:06:41,707 And says, "Hey, what about this?" 960 01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:54,386 BOBBY: This is where we store stuff. 961 01:06:56,263 --> 01:06:59,850 For years and years, most of the Death tapes were right here, 962 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,520 in this little bin here. 963 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:09,901 This is just the way it was on that day when Bobby called me up and said, 964 01:07:09,985 --> 01:07:13,196 "Dad, please tell me you have those master tapes." 965 01:07:13,905 --> 01:07:15,782 And they were sitting up here, 966 01:07:15,866 --> 01:07:17,409 just like this. 967 01:07:17,701 --> 01:07:20,287 I was in such a blur about everything. 968 01:07:20,662 --> 01:07:24,416 "I can't believe that I'm up here looking for the Death tape." 969 01:07:25,083 --> 01:07:29,713 You know, I mean, that within itself was so surreal for me. 970 01:07:31,923 --> 01:07:33,425 This right here 971 01:07:33,467 --> 01:07:38,096 is the original finish master tape 972 01:07:39,473 --> 01:07:44,436 that was recorded at United Sound's production studios. 973 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,105 As you can see, 974 01:07:48,023 --> 01:07:50,901 that's my brother David's writing right there. 975 01:07:51,318 --> 01:07:55,113 And that was what he wanted to call the whole... The album, that's what he... 976 01:07:55,864 --> 01:07:57,657 "Death, For The Whole World To See." 977 01:07:58,867 --> 01:08:00,702 Course, he put his signature triangle, 978 01:08:01,995 --> 01:08:04,956 which basically represented the whole Death concept. 979 01:08:05,916 --> 01:08:09,044 This is the tape and this tape has been through 980 01:08:10,378 --> 01:08:11,797 quite a bit, you know? 981 01:08:11,838 --> 01:08:15,050 It's kind of, like, older than any of my children. 982 01:08:21,473 --> 01:08:24,142 (SINGING) 983 01:08:31,191 --> 01:08:34,319 Then, before I knew it, the album was released. 984 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:36,321 (LAUGHS) 985 01:08:36,613 --> 01:08:39,032 So this is the album, right here. 986 01:08:39,324 --> 01:08:42,994 Released on Drag City Records, February 17th, 2009. 987 01:08:44,121 --> 01:08:46,081 After all these years... 988 01:08:46,164 --> 01:08:48,416 Three cats, three young dudes, 989 01:08:49,209 --> 01:08:51,670 who just love rock 'n' roll music. 990 01:08:52,712 --> 01:08:55,006 SPEARS'. Imagine taking 35 years? 991 01:08:55,841 --> 01:08:57,092 (LAUGHS) 992 01:08:57,884 --> 01:08:59,845 It's... It's incredible. 993 01:09:01,471 --> 01:09:03,890 I don't know of a story like that. 994 01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:07,102 I don't know of one. 995 01:09:14,901 --> 01:09:16,903 BOBBY". When the album came out, 996 01:09:16,987 --> 01:09:19,281 I felt emotional, I felt happy. 997 01:09:19,698 --> 01:09:23,702 I was happy for us, that our music was finally getting recognized. 998 01:09:23,785 --> 01:09:26,371 I was sad, you know, because David was not here to see it. 999 01:09:26,413 --> 01:09:30,917 You know, he wanted to see something like that really significant happen. 1000 01:09:31,001 --> 01:09:32,711 DANNISI It's kind Of hard, 1001 01:09:32,752 --> 01:09:38,175 when you talk about this, because you kind of hear Dave's voice in the back of your head. 1002 01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:41,219 You know, he said it. 1003 01:09:41,261 --> 01:09:44,931 He said the world's gonna come looking for this music one day. 1004 01:09:45,015 --> 01:09:48,393 I'm still hearing in the back of my voice all the things Dave said, 1005 01:09:48,435 --> 01:09:53,190 and they're coming true and, you know, it just feels weird. 1006 01:09:58,778 --> 01:10:02,616 The album was released, but since nobody really heard... 1007 01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:04,784 Not many people heard the Death album quite yet, 1008 01:10:05,911 --> 01:10:09,998 what we decided to do, me, Julian and Urian, 1009 01:10:10,081 --> 01:10:12,209 was pay tribute to Death 1010 01:10:12,292 --> 01:10:16,379 by covering the album and, like, playing it live. 1011 01:10:17,172 --> 01:10:18,965 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 1012 01:10:25,597 --> 01:10:29,935 (SINGING) 1013 01:10:43,365 --> 01:10:45,825 JULIAN: The Death songs needed to have an audience 1014 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:48,703 and that's been too long, you know. It'd been 34 years 1015 01:10:48,787 --> 01:10:51,289 since the songs had been heard by anybody. 1016 01:10:55,293 --> 01:10:56,920 BOBBY JR.: We did a lot of campaigning, you know? 1017 01:10:56,962 --> 01:10:59,297 Like, we were out there spreading the word. 1018 01:10:59,422 --> 01:11:03,468 We were almost like musical missionaries for Death, in a way. 1019 01:11:09,224 --> 01:11:11,017 I remember the first show that we played. 1020 01:11:11,101 --> 01:11:15,063 It was packed and people were just really excited and happy. 1021 01:11:15,146 --> 01:11:20,485 It was like this rush of spiritual energy running through our veins. 1022 01:11:20,944 --> 01:11:23,530 It was pretty much like speaking to Uncle Dave again. 1023 01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:25,782 It was like saying, "Hey, what's up, Uncle Dave? How you doing?" 1024 01:11:25,824 --> 01:11:26,992 Like, "I haven't seen you in a while." 1025 01:11:27,075 --> 01:11:29,327 When we played those songs, that's what it felt like. 1026 01:11:29,369 --> 01:11:31,538 It felt like he was there with us again. 1027 01:11:31,621 --> 01:11:32,622 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 1028 01:11:32,664 --> 01:11:35,625 This whole set goes out to David Hackney. 1029 01:11:36,334 --> 01:11:38,795 He was a beautiful man. We miss him. 1030 01:11:40,255 --> 01:11:42,674 URIAN: We were trying to think of names and Rough Francis came into play 1031 01:11:42,757 --> 01:11:45,510 when Bobby was thinking about the, uh... 1032 01:11:45,593 --> 01:11:48,680 That old 7-inch that my Uncle Dave put out as Rough Francis. 1033 01:11:49,347 --> 01:11:52,684 BOBBY JR.: I was like, "Perfect. Rough Francis. That's the name of this band." 1034 01:11:52,726 --> 01:11:55,687 'Cause it's like this band is all happening because of Uncle Dave. 1035 01:11:55,812 --> 01:11:58,648 Like, we're channeling his music, his energy, his art. 1036 01:11:59,024 --> 01:12:00,734 It has to be called Rough Francis. 1037 01:12:00,817 --> 01:12:05,322 So a few songs that you just heard, they're by a band called Death. 1038 01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:06,364 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 1039 01:12:06,448 --> 01:12:09,659 And that band is our family. 1040 01:12:10,201 --> 01:12:12,871 Our father, our uncle, and our other uncle. 1041 01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:15,749 So we're just carrying the torch. 1042 01:12:16,833 --> 01:12:19,753 And we're just very excited to be up here playing for you right now. 1043 01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:20,837 Thank you so much. 1044 01:12:20,879 --> 01:12:22,213 (APPLAUSE) 1045 01:12:22,422 --> 01:12:24,215 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 1046 01:12:27,218 --> 01:12:29,512 (SINGING) 1047 01:12:51,201 --> 01:12:52,911 BOBBY JR.: When we were playing one of the songs, 1048 01:12:52,952 --> 01:12:55,663 I looked over and I saw my father and my mom, 1049 01:12:55,747 --> 01:12:57,749 and they were both hugging and crying. 1050 01:13:01,086 --> 01:13:04,422 JULIAN: They were both just so moved by it, you know? 1051 01:13:04,964 --> 01:13:06,966 And that moved me, seeing them. 1052 01:13:09,469 --> 01:13:15,058 TAMMY: Seeing my three boys on stage performing their dad's music, 1053 01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,186 I was just so proud to be their mom, 1054 01:13:18,269 --> 01:13:22,107 and it was just a wonderful night, and I will never forget it. 1055 01:13:23,608 --> 01:13:25,443 Thanks a lot. We are Rough Francis. 1056 01:13:29,489 --> 01:13:31,366 MIKE RUBIN: Rough Francis was really impressive. 1057 01:13:31,449 --> 01:13:34,285 They were a real force on stage 1058 01:13:34,369 --> 01:13:37,956 in performing 1059 01:13:37,997 --> 01:13:41,584 their father's and uncles' music. 1060 01:13:42,877 --> 01:13:46,881 I know my piece began with Bobby sort of beaming back at the bar. 1061 01:13:47,298 --> 01:13:49,968 You know, he's got three of his sons on stage 1062 01:13:50,051 --> 01:13:53,638 and his brother Dannie there, and his wife Tammy's there. 1063 01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:56,182 And, I mean, it was like a family reunion. 1064 01:13:56,724 --> 01:13:59,352 But the... You know, and the missing member is... 1065 01:13:59,436 --> 01:14:02,105 Was his brother, David, who was then present... 1066 01:14:02,147 --> 01:14:05,859 You know, whose presence was really felt through his music. 1067 01:14:07,652 --> 01:14:10,780 BLACKWELL: I think for me, like, when I saw the story in The New York Times, 1068 01:14:10,822 --> 01:14:13,992 it was pretty mind-blowing to see it on that scale. 1069 01:14:14,742 --> 01:14:17,328 I was just blown away when that article actually came out. 1070 01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:20,248 And there was like a picture, like, this big of Rough Francis. 1071 01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:25,420 I was like, "Oh, my goodness, we're in The New York Times, like half the page." 1072 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,131 I've never heard from so many people. 1073 01:14:28,173 --> 01:14:33,386 People's parents were saying they saw this, and, you know, like I said, my dentist. 1074 01:14:37,015 --> 01:14:38,683 KID ROCK: I had a buddy, Matt Sweeney, in New York City, 1075 01:14:38,725 --> 01:14:40,685 and I think he saw an article in The Times or something. 1076 01:14:40,768 --> 01:14:42,437 So he actually sent me a disk. 1077 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:43,980 And I was checking it out, and I was like, "Wow." 1078 01:14:44,022 --> 01:14:46,232 You know, how did I not know about this? 1079 01:14:46,316 --> 01:14:47,734 I was like, "Man, this is bad-ass." 1080 01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,278 And it's just one of those great music stories. 1081 01:14:50,361 --> 01:14:52,614 It's one of those things that keeps you going to the record store, 1082 01:14:52,697 --> 01:14:54,657 hoping for another great story like that. 1083 01:14:54,699 --> 01:14:56,784 It's why you listen to music. 1084 01:14:56,868 --> 01:14:59,704 It instantly became a favorite record, you know? 1085 01:14:59,746 --> 01:15:04,459 It was sort of... it literally popped out of the speakers and it had an energy to it 1086 01:15:04,542 --> 01:15:07,670 and a musicianship that sort of blew my mind. 1087 01:15:08,296 --> 01:15:10,256 MICK COLLINS: When I got to hearing Politicians In My Eyes, 1088 01:15:10,340 --> 01:15:14,385 it was like an immediate, like, "This is one of the greatest songs 1089 01:15:14,427 --> 01:15:15,845 "I have heard in quite some time." 1090 01:15:15,887 --> 01:15:18,515 And it really was quite an electrifying recording. 1091 01:15:18,848 --> 01:15:21,893 Ramones got all the glory for what this is right here. 1092 01:15:21,976 --> 01:15:24,938 And this is pretty much the Ramones, 1093 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:27,607 but two years earlier. 1094 01:15:27,815 --> 01:15:32,028 There's no doubt on that record, there's only conviction. 1095 01:15:32,111 --> 01:15:34,072 There's only full-hearted conviction. 1096 01:15:34,197 --> 01:15:36,074 And that's really what 1097 01:15:37,492 --> 01:15:39,744 makes it rock 'n' roll. 1098 01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:45,458 MICKEY LEIGH: When I heard it, I just couldn't believe that I 'd never heard it before. 1099 01:15:45,625 --> 01:15:48,253 It was the predecessor 1100 01:15:48,294 --> 01:15:51,881 of what punk became. 1101 01:15:51,923 --> 01:15:55,218 And that was what also compelled me 1102 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,512 to really wanna search them out, 1103 01:15:57,595 --> 01:16:00,848 no matter, you know, how long it took me 1104 01:16:02,016 --> 01:16:04,018 to find somebody 1105 01:16:04,102 --> 01:16:05,728 who had a number for these guys. 1106 01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:10,942 BOBBY JR.: Joey Ramone's brother, he ended up tracking me down, 1107 01:16:11,025 --> 01:16:14,112 and he invited Death and Rough Francis 1108 01:16:14,195 --> 01:16:17,365 to come play Joey Ramone's Annual Birthday Bash. 1109 01:16:17,448 --> 01:16:21,703 And I'm like, "Well, Mickey, you know, Death, they haven't really played any... 1110 01:16:21,786 --> 01:16:22,996 "They haven't played live yet. 1111 01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:25,290 "I don't even know if they would be into it." 1112 01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:28,918 And then I called my dad. 1113 01:16:29,377 --> 01:16:33,047 You know, at first, he didn't really know if he wanted to go forth with the project, 1114 01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:38,803 just because of all the emotional ties they have with it and, you know, 1115 01:16:38,886 --> 01:16:43,057 they always wanted to be really respectful to my Uncle Dave. 1116 01:16:43,308 --> 01:16:46,853 Yeah, we were very reluctant, because, you know, we didn't wanna... 1117 01:16:46,936 --> 01:16:49,814 We just didn't want to do it without David. 1118 01:16:50,148 --> 01:16:52,400 It actually took a few weeks 1119 01:16:53,610 --> 01:16:57,155 for us to really take this thing kind of serious, 1120 01:16:57,196 --> 01:17:01,659 because we had to answer the question about who's gonna play the guitar. 1121 01:17:03,328 --> 01:17:05,872 BOBBY: David said, "I don't leave any children in this world, 1122 01:17:05,955 --> 01:17:08,916 "you gotta remember my songs are my children." 1123 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,213 You know, I'm committed to taking care of those children. 1124 01:17:15,340 --> 01:17:18,176 And at the time, we was working with Bobbie Duncan, 1125 01:17:18,217 --> 01:17:20,386 who we had found 1126 01:17:20,678 --> 01:17:23,056 to be a guitar player in Lambsbread. 1127 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,391 As far as the look, he fits. 1128 01:17:25,475 --> 01:17:29,020 I mean... But should we throw this kind of a load on the dude? 1129 01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:30,855 BOBBIE DUNCAN: Bobby says, like, "You know, 1130 01:17:30,897 --> 01:17:32,357 "Bob, something's happened," you know? 1131 01:17:33,816 --> 01:17:37,612 He was, like, you know, he didn't even seem like he could really, uh, 1132 01:17:37,695 --> 01:17:39,030 put it all together, man, but... 1133 01:17:39,072 --> 01:17:40,948 'Cause it was just, like, such a big thing to him. 1134 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,785 He says, "Man, I hope you wanna do it, man," you know, and stuff. 1135 01:17:43,993 --> 01:17:46,079 And so I listened to the CD. 1136 01:17:46,162 --> 01:17:49,707 And he said, "Not only is the album awesome, man," he says, "but I'm gonna..." 1137 01:17:49,749 --> 01:17:52,377 He says, "I'm gonna try to do David justice. 1138 01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:56,547 "I'm gonna try to live up to the standard that he put down on that album." 1139 01:17:56,589 --> 01:17:59,634 DANNIS: And when we got together with Bobbie Duncan, we figured, 1140 01:17:59,717 --> 01:18:02,428 "Well, you know Keep On Knocking, that's kind of an easy tune. 1141 01:18:02,512 --> 01:18:05,807 "We could just, you know, throw that out there first 1142 01:18:06,224 --> 01:18:07,725 "and see what happens, you know." 1143 01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:09,435 (GUITAR PLAYING) 1144 01:18:13,773 --> 01:18:16,317 BOBBY: We started playing the music. 1145 01:18:16,693 --> 01:18:21,656 We stopped. And Bobbie, he says, "Guys, did I do something wrong? 1146 01:18:21,739 --> 01:18:24,409 "If I did something wrong, I'm sorry." 1147 01:18:26,536 --> 01:18:29,539 And when we turned back around to answer Bobbie, 1148 01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:33,042 he saw that we both had tears streaming down our eyes. 1149 01:18:33,918 --> 01:18:36,462 (SOBBING) Because he was playing it. 1150 01:18:44,345 --> 01:18:46,139 It sounded like Dave. 1151 01:18:46,848 --> 01:18:49,851 And I had to get up and leave out the studio. 1152 01:18:50,184 --> 01:18:51,936 Okay, I just took a 10-minute break. 1153 01:18:52,019 --> 01:18:55,773 I just, you know, went out there and did my crying on the side of the studio, 1154 01:18:55,815 --> 01:18:59,986 and I said, "I don't know what's going on here, Lord." I said a prayer. 1155 01:19:00,069 --> 01:19:04,365 I said, "I don't know what's going on here, Lord, but you gotta tell me how to walk. 1156 01:19:04,449 --> 01:19:06,075 "You gotta tell me how to walk." 1157 01:19:06,409 --> 01:19:09,287 That's when I realized it was more than just, like, playing guitar 1158 01:19:09,328 --> 01:19:11,914 and covering songs, or doing a gig, you know? 1159 01:19:11,956 --> 01:19:14,125 I realized this is a spiritual thing. 1160 01:19:14,167 --> 01:19:15,918 This is, you know, a deep thing. 1161 01:19:16,335 --> 01:19:18,963 You have to understand, at that session, 1162 01:19:19,005 --> 01:19:20,590 at that time... 1163 01:19:21,674 --> 01:19:23,634 That was the first time 1164 01:19:24,677 --> 01:19:26,888 that we had played that music 1165 01:19:30,641 --> 01:19:32,310 since about 1978. 1166 01:19:35,605 --> 01:19:37,732 BOBBY: Y'all ready? Here we go. 1167 01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:39,901 Death! 1168 01:19:39,984 --> 01:19:41,861 (F REANN OUT PLAYING) 1169 01:19:46,491 --> 01:19:51,287 (SINGING) 1170 01:20:06,344 --> 01:20:08,513 BOBBY: We have been working for the past five months 1171 01:20:08,554 --> 01:20:11,724 on rehearsal production for a Death tour. 1172 01:20:13,351 --> 01:20:16,521 That's gonna be the first time, uh, 1173 01:20:16,604 --> 01:20:19,565 in almost, uh, 35 years 1174 01:20:19,649 --> 01:20:22,735 that Death has played a show. 1175 01:20:23,569 --> 01:20:25,696 So we're excited about it. 1176 01:20:30,535 --> 01:20:32,537 (MEN TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 1177 01:20:42,964 --> 01:20:44,215 Man, 1178 01:20:45,424 --> 01:20:47,885 I still feel like I'm in a dream. 1179 01:20:49,262 --> 01:20:51,013 Hey, fellas, for the whole world to see. 1180 01:20:51,889 --> 01:20:53,808 This is our first stop, 1181 01:20:53,891 --> 01:20:55,643 for the whole world. 1182 01:20:56,143 --> 01:20:58,980 This is our first stop for the whole world. 1183 01:21:00,231 --> 01:21:01,232 Love you, man. 1184 01:21:01,315 --> 01:21:02,817 Love you, too. 1185 01:21:03,484 --> 01:21:06,153 - There you go. - And that one's for Dave. 1186 01:21:06,404 --> 01:21:07,738 I love you, man. 1187 01:21:07,822 --> 01:21:09,699 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 1188 01:21:10,241 --> 01:21:12,368 (KEEP ON KNOCKING PLPOHNG) 1189 01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:33,240 (CHEERING) 1190 01:23:17,493 --> 01:23:18,744 Good night! 1191 01:23:23,290 --> 01:23:25,167 Thank you very much. 1192 01:23:45,604 --> 01:23:49,984 DANNIS: You know, I mean, really, we are enjoying this wonderful thing. 1193 01:23:50,067 --> 01:23:51,444 But, for us, 1194 01:23:51,819 --> 01:23:53,988 it's a beautiful thing and we're having a lot of fun, 1195 01:23:54,071 --> 01:23:57,742 but we do carry a tremendous burden with us, in that, um, 1196 01:23:57,783 --> 01:24:02,955 David had predicted all along that this music would catch on throughout the world. 1197 01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:06,250 That's one of the things, I think, that's really bittersweet with us, 1198 01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:08,836 is that he, um, 1199 01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:11,505 never got, physically, the opportunity to see 1200 01:24:12,006 --> 01:24:13,924 his prediction come true. 1201 01:24:15,301 --> 01:24:18,387 Thought nobody in the world would hear this one. 1202 01:24:18,429 --> 01:24:22,475 David always believed that the world would hear this music. 1203 01:24:24,852 --> 01:24:27,938 DANNB'. This whole thing is happening, not because of my faith, 1204 01:24:27,980 --> 01:24:31,192 but all this is happening because of Dave's faith. 1205 01:24:31,776 --> 01:24:34,111 Dave is the one who said all this stuff was gonna happen. 1206 01:24:34,153 --> 01:24:36,322 We told him he was dreaming. 1207 01:24:37,198 --> 01:24:41,619 But now we're living it, and that's what's making everything so strange. 1208 01:24:43,454 --> 01:24:44,663 You know? 1209 01:24:44,747 --> 01:24:46,373 It's like a movie. 1210 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,797 And we are the unwitting stars of the movie. 1211 01:24:54,924 --> 01:24:55,925 You know? 1212 01:24:57,218 --> 01:24:58,636 And Dave is the director. 1213 01:24:58,719 --> 01:24:59,762 (LAUGHS) 1214 01:24:59,804 --> 01:25:02,890 Even from his grave, he's directing the movie. 1215 01:25:05,559 --> 01:25:07,103 That's strange. 1216 01:25:42,388 --> 01:25:44,849 My mother, Majora Hackney... 1217 01:25:45,975 --> 01:25:49,103 She passed away last Tuesday. 1218 01:25:50,312 --> 01:25:53,858 And here we are taking this journey once again. 1219 01:25:57,027 --> 01:26:00,114 It's kind of reminiscent of the journey that I took in 2000, 1220 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:03,951 after David had passed and we had to go to his funeral. 1221 01:26:08,706 --> 01:26:11,834 You know, the one thing that we're really thankful for is our mother 1222 01:26:11,876 --> 01:26:16,380 got to see the resurgence of Death 1223 01:26:16,463 --> 01:26:21,385 and that her sons really did make something out of all that loud music 1224 01:26:21,427 --> 01:26:24,054 we was playing upstairs all the time. 1225 01:26:28,642 --> 01:26:31,187 MINISTER: We all know why we're here. 1226 01:26:32,646 --> 01:26:35,858 This is the homecoming 1227 01:26:37,067 --> 01:26:40,571 of our dear, beloved Mother Hackney. 1228 01:26:42,907 --> 01:26:45,409 DANNIS: Family is everything to us. 1229 01:26:46,619 --> 01:26:49,538 'Cause without family, we wouldn't be here. 1230 01:26:50,122 --> 01:26:51,665 Without family, 1231 01:26:52,374 --> 01:26:56,503 we wouldn't have anything that we have. 1232 01:26:57,922 --> 01:27:01,634 Me and Moms used to kind of have a relationship 1233 01:27:01,717 --> 01:27:04,970 that was a little bit different from the rest of the brothers. 1234 01:27:05,054 --> 01:27:08,933 See, I went to my first Motown party with my mom. 1235 01:27:09,099 --> 01:27:10,476 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1236 01:27:10,643 --> 01:27:11,644 Okay? 1237 01:27:11,936 --> 01:27:14,146 But then again, she taught me how to pray. 1238 01:27:14,271 --> 01:27:15,356 CONGREGATION: Amen. 1239 01:27:15,522 --> 01:27:19,151 She taught me how to ask God for what you want. 1240 01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:24,073 She taught me many things that I will never, ever forget. 1241 01:27:25,241 --> 01:27:29,161 My mother loved all of y'all. God bless you. Thank you for being here. 1242 01:27:29,536 --> 01:27:30,871 (APPLAUSE) 1243 01:27:40,714 --> 01:27:45,302 BOBBY: So I believe, unequivocally, the body ceases to exist, 1244 01:27:45,344 --> 01:27:50,140 or the body drops its spirit, and that spirit is what we really are. 1245 01:27:53,894 --> 01:27:57,022 David always said that. He said, "This isn't the final stop. This isn't... 1246 01:27:57,106 --> 01:28:00,985 "it's not over. This is just a..." He used to call this just a waiting room. 1247 01:28:02,319 --> 01:28:04,822 He said the world was one big waiting room. 1248 01:28:04,947 --> 01:28:08,742 Said some of us have left the waiting room and some of us are still here. 1249 01:28:18,836 --> 01:28:21,130 That's the way he looked at it. 1250 01:28:23,007 --> 01:28:24,133 Yeah. 1251 01:28:31,932 --> 01:28:33,183 (SINGING) 1252 01:29:12,348 --> 01:29:13,849 (GUITAR SOLO) 1253 01:29:34,745 --> 01:29:36,288 (CROWD CHEERING) 1254 01:30:05,818 --> 01:30:09,613 BOBBY: Whenever I say Death, I think about my brother David. 1255 01:30:10,489 --> 01:30:12,616 He convinced us. 1256 01:30:16,703 --> 01:30:19,331 Not only did he convince us, but he... 1257 01:30:21,208 --> 01:30:26,839 He inspired us, because we had the chance to change the name. 1258 01:30:28,715 --> 01:30:34,888 And I think David was the prime example 1259 01:30:37,015 --> 01:30:38,809 of what the Lord said when he said, 1260 01:30:38,851 --> 01:30:43,981 "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?" 1261 01:30:46,984 --> 01:30:51,321 And David's music was his soul, and he never wavered on that. 1262 01:30:52,030 --> 01:30:53,824 And the chance came. 1263 01:30:55,325 --> 01:30:59,204 Change your name and I'll give you the world. 1264 01:31:02,166 --> 01:31:04,084 And David didn't waver. 1265 01:31:05,711 --> 01:31:10,883 And I'm proud of him, and I love him, and I honor him for that. 1266 01:31:17,264 --> 01:31:19,391 (YOU'RE A PRISONER PLAYING) 1267 01:31:28,692 --> 01:31:31,403 (SINGING) 1268 01:33:44,453 --> 01:33:46,496 (YES HE'S COMING PLAYING) 104247

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