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This house was built around
1895 by my great-grandfather.
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It's solid brick,
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it was considered to be
the mansion of the times,
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because a lot of houses
were built out of wood.
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I think I remember my dad saying,
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like back in those days it cost
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around 5000 dollars to build it.
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So, it was my great-grandfather
who originally
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had the house built, and he
did pass away in the home,
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and I believe in one of
the bedrooms upstairs.
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Can you you tell me
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what life was like here on the farm?
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Well, it was always lots of fun
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because you always had
grandma and grandpa around,
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so they were always giving sweets,
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making cakes, and cooking
and things like that.
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Growing
up here on the farm,
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you've had a lot of different experiences,
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a lot of positive experiences.
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When did they start to change?
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When did you realize
that there was in fact
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something else happening here?
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I kind of started with waking up
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in the middle of the night,
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to dark things in the room,
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and there were times
when you would feel like
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you were being watched,
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or something would pass by you.
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One time I woke up out of a dead sleep
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and I had felt like someone
had just walked by the bed.
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I just remember closing my eyes
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and being so terrified and scared
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that I couldn't even scream,
and that was pretty much it.
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My father passed away in December of 2015,
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but prior to him passing,
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we had discussed purchasing
the house from him.
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I'd always loved the home,
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so it had a lot of
sentimental attachment for me.
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We had to do some work to it.
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We couldn't move into it immediately,
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but when we did,
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the kids started having
some experiences themselves.
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You know, come three
o'clock in the morning,
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and they could hear what
sounded like footsteps
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going up and down the stairs.
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They didn't like being home alone,
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they didn't like going into the basement.
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They started telling me about
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things that were happening to them.
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So I woke up in the morning,
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and I came down here,
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because I have to attend to the fire.
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I heard what sounded like my uncle,
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because he used to work
down here a whole lot,
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and I heard it thinking it was
him, and I responded, hello?
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And didn't hear anything, so I was like,
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okay, so I walk this way,
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to tend to the fire,
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still not hearing any response,
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and I'm like that's
weird, he's not down here.
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You know your family members' voices.
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You hear the voice,
and you know it's them.
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It sounded exactly like him.
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How
did your family change,
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from before you moved in
here, until you moved here.
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What did this home, this house, do?
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In a sense I think it kind
of did drive everybody apart,
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because my kids knew how
fond of the house that I was,
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and my husband also knew I
was very fond of the house,
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and they were really trying,
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they just got to a point where
they couldn't do it anymore.
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The girls didn't want
to stay here anymore.
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They were petrified to stay here, so,
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they wanted to move out, they wanted out.
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They weren't getting any sleep,
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they were having a hard time,
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they'd say stuff in the morning,
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about things that happened at night,
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so you've got to look at
what's best for the kids.
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When they did leave the house,
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my ex-husband had told me that
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Bella was worried about
whatever it was, following her.
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I know she was like burning sage,
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and he claimed that she was
barricading herself in her bed.
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It took their dad talking to me about
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some of the things that were happening,
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and they were also
having some conversations
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with my sister Julie
about some of the history.
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I kind of purposely neglected telling them
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a lot of the details of
the history of the house,
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because I wanted them
to be able to experience
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the same childhood that I had,
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and for the most part was
pretty happy in this house.
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My name is Julie,
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I am Rebecca's sister, her older sister,
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there's nine years between us.
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Lots of things have happened
out here over the years,
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and when you mention those
things to the family members,
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you kind of get in trouble for it,
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because we were Catholics,
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and you weren't allowed to
talk about that kind of stuff,
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because it was always the demonic side,
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that if you believed in it, or whatnot.
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But I had things happen to me,
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the lights coming on in Uncle Luke's room,
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nobody was every allowed in that room,
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and it was like this ice-cold room,
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like the parlor downstairs.
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I didn't know a lot about the story about,
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about my Uncle Luke,
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and what had taken place here.
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The only details that I
have, or that I was told,
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he used a gun,
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and it was at the top of the upstairs,
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apparently put the gun in his mouth,
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and shot himself in the head.
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My understanding is that my Uncle Burt,
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and my father were
coming home from school,
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when they had heard a gunshot.
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They still didn't want to talk about it,
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because it was a suicide
in a Catholic family,
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and there was a bad story,
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Uncle Luke wasn't liked
by a lot of people,
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he was grouchy, he'd
come back from the war,
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a whole different man, like most men did,
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and he fell apart, took his
life at the top of these stairs.
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Well, I know that my
grandfather had a brother,
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named Christian, that apparently died
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of an asthma attack that he had,
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and started hemorrhaging and bleeding
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out in the orchard.
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Another one of my grandpa's
brothers had killed himself
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here in the house.
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Both of my grandparents passed away here,
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and my father had also passed
away in the home, as well.
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Can you tell us about
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the former use of the parlor?
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The didn't have funeral
homes back in the day.
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They would have a funeral in the parlor.
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My sister had told me that they also
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opened it up to neighbors and friends.
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I think she had said that there was
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like over 100, 150 different
funeral-type gatherings
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that have occurred in the parlors.
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When he was living here,
he was living here alone.
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He would sleep with
lights on all the time,
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and TV's on, and things like that.
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Probably a couple different
times he had called my sister,
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or my cousin Josh, in
the middle of the night.
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When her dad was here he
would call quite frequently,
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but I remember his
daughter Julie telling me
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that one night he called and said
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there's people in my house.
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He'd be like, Jule, Jule, I swear,
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someone's running around
here calling my name.
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So I'm like okay, I'm coming over.
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He was like, I'm gonna shoot
'em, I've got my gun ready,
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and she would say okay, I'm coming over,
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don't shoot me, I'm gonna
come into the house,
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don't shoot me.
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When I come in he pointed at the door,
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and I'm like dad, what the heck?
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He said, Jule I don't
really know what's going on.
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There's this little Mexican girl,
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and she's coming up to me,
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and she's talking Spanish to me,
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and then she runs off,
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and I told her, wait a
minute, tell me what you said.
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And she went to hide behind the door,
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and I go look behind the
door and she's not there.
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And that's when we found out that
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he had actually taken a shot at something.
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Scared him enough to where he actually
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took a shot at it.
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I think my dad had experiences here,
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and didn't want to admit to
them, and talk about them.
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So after my dad passed away,
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I was trying to do some finishing touches
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in the house, with the floorboards.
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I noticed as I came down the stairs,
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there was clearly a temperature change.
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You could feel the coolness,
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and I could actually see my breath.
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At that point I became
extremely freaked out,
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and said I'm not dealing
with this fuckin' shit today,
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and I left.
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Just out of curiosity,
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did you happen to hear
that loud bang just now,
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while you were talking?
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Yep.
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Actually see my breath,
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at that point I became
extremely freaked out.
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At that point I became
extremely freaked out.
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Are
these the kind of sounds
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that you were talking about?
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Just bangs and unexplained noises?
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This is, you're used to this?
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Yeah, I think that I
have become immune to it,
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to the point to where I
don't even pay any attention
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to some of it anymore.
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There was an incidence
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where you told us about your brother,
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using a Ouija board, here on the property.
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Could you tell us about that?
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Yes, I know that he was
quite a rebellious teenager,
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but one night I had come home
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and he and his friends had
been using a Ouija board.
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More so recently in
conversations with my brother,
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he has revealed to me that
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he was worshiping the devil, and satanism,
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while he was here living at the home,
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which was something
that I was not aware of.
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During the time
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that this home has been here,
there was many different times
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where different members of your
family occupied this house?
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Yes.
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During that time,
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I believe you had told me
about an aunt and a cousin,
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and that they had practiced witchcraft.
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How long were they here for?
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They were here at two different times.
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The first time they were here,
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I was around 18-19 years old,
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and they had just moved back to the area,
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and needed a place to stay,
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and with as large as the house was,
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my dad allowed them to come and stay here.
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She had made comments before about
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casting a spell on the earth outside,
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so that the basement didn't
flood, and stuff like that.
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So who knows what they did?
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So I feel that that kind of
desecrated this property.
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It's kind of ironic
that seven years ago,
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I happened to run across the
producers of this documentary.
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I was working for a different
agency in Saginaw County.
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My patrol area was actually the stable,
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and it was a late-night shift,
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and I was making my way
down Hamilton Street,
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and I saw a bunch of
people in dark clothes
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with flashlights inside the stable.
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I thought there was a
burglary in progress,
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so I started doing my police thing,
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and ended up getting Steve Shippy,
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and here we are seven years later,
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and it's just kind of
ironic and coincidental
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that he's in my office right now,
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and he's still doing this.
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My name's Nate House,
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I'm a Lieutenant with the Essexville
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Public Safety Department,
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and I've been in public
safety for 17 years,
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and I grew up here in
the city of Essexville.
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When I was growing up in town here,
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I think that most people my age
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were well aware of the rumors,
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and the lore that surrounded this place,
258
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but it never really seemed like
259
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a whole lot of people
wanted to go up to the house
260
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and kick over rocks.
261
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The rumors were always there.
262
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Walking through the yard,
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people sneaking out and
going through the fields,
264
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and stuff like that.
265
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They would claim that they
got chased by something
266
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that wasn't there.
267
00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:43,388
People driving by the house would claim
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that they saw lights inside,
269
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like a flashlight shining at the ceiling,
270
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or like an oil lantern,
271
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or some type of light moving
from window to window.
272
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In high school there was
this kind of different guy
273
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in one of my classes,
274
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and he brought in this really
hold black and white photo
275
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that he said was from the house,
276
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and it was a picture of a guy in a coffin.
277
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I remember thinking that's really weird.
278
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When I moved away,
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I really hadn't given
this place much thought.
280
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I didn't really give it much
thought until I moved back,
281
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and it only came back into the spotlight
282
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after a friend of mine,
283
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who was a pretty prominent
guy in the community
284
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went out to the house to help the resident
285
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move her belongings out,
286
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because, as he aptly put it,
287
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something that she couldn't
see chased her out of there.
288
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He didn't really elaborate
about it very much,
289
00:11:21,410 --> 00:11:22,768
and I didn't ask a lot of questions,
290
00:11:22,770 --> 00:11:24,395
besides, which house was it?
291
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And when he told me,
it was kind of like oh,
292
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yeah that makes sense,
293
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and kind of like, is that still a thing?
294
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Being back in the community,
295
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and maybe being a little
more objective and older,
296
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or maybe, maybe my position and my career,
297
00:11:36,510 --> 00:11:38,458
where it's my job to
make sense of the things
298
00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:39,488
that don't make a lot of sense,
299
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and to put the pieces
of the puzzle together,
300
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I think, reasonably, sure,
301
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if there was a handful of incidences
302
00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:47,138
that happened over there,
maybe 12 occurrences,
303
00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:49,718
yeah I could probably find a
way to explain those things,
304
00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,280
in a way that we could all
get behind in our stand.
305
00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:54,698
But when you have this
many reported incidences,
306
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with this many people from
all different backgrounds,
307
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over 10 decades worth of time,
308
00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:00,940
how do you explain that?
309
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You know this house to us
310
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is basically a powder
keg of so many things.
311
00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:19,158
You've got over 100 bodies
brought in there for funerals.
312
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You've got over a dozen
confirmed deaths in the house,
313
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and on the property,
314
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rumored to be more.
315
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Now you bring into the
mix, occult practice,
316
00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:32,228
Satanism, witchcraft, scary stuff.
317
00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:33,538
How does this place affect you
318
00:12:33,540 --> 00:12:35,848
or the prospect of going here?
319
00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:38,408
You know, I'm cautiously optimistic.
320
00:12:38,410 --> 00:12:40,418
I think there's obviously
an element of skepticism
321
00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:42,968
that always exists, just based on
322
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the fact that I want the facts.
323
00:12:46,490 --> 00:12:49,478
I mean, obviously, the fact
that there's so much history,
324
00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,993
and so much lore, and so
much surrounding this place,
325
00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:54,751
anybody in their right mind
326
00:12:54,753 --> 00:12:56,853
would have to wonder what's going on.
327
00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:59,398
It's certainly in the
forefront of your mind,
328
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,653
if anything else.
329
00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:08,228
It's a big old house,
there's no doubt about that.
330
00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:09,308
People who come out here,
331
00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:11,378
whether they actually
had experiences or not,
332
00:13:11,380 --> 00:13:14,180
I don't know, but something
left them awfully terrified.
333
00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:29,718
Man this place is giving
me the absolute creeps,
334
00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,313
before I even get in there.
335
00:13:32,847 --> 00:13:35,680
I feel like I'm having
like an anxiety attack
336
00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:36,278
before I even get there.
337
00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,238
I gotta stop for a minute,
338
00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,530
and kind of pull myself together.
339
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,438
You know, for some reason,
my heart is racing,
340
00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,398
I'm nervous, it's just really
341
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,828
making me flake out a little bit
342
00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:50,368
before I even get here.
343
00:13:50,370 --> 00:13:53,878
I can't even imagine what I'm
getting ready to walk into.
344
00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,113
All right, let's do this.
345
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:00,193
Here it is.
346
00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:05,703
We thought that we visited
the hell home before,
347
00:14:09,257 --> 00:14:11,400
this is like walking into hell.
348
00:15:19,870 --> 00:15:21,778
As I came into this house,
349
00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:24,688
total high anxiety, total craziness,
350
00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,380
total apprehension,
351
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,980
almost feeling very overwhelmed.
352
00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,248
But when I come in here
I can feel very peaceful,
353
00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:33,568
I can feel very neutral,
354
00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:35,248
I feel very businesslike,
355
00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:37,558
or that I can discuss a
lot of different things
356
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,818
that's going on, or kind of like,
357
00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:42,423
everybody's very neutral
on the same ground.
358
00:15:43,970 --> 00:15:47,728
This man makes me feel like
he was absolutely devastated.
359
00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:50,800
He makes feel like there
was a world of sadness,
360
00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:53,568
and it's almost like, out went the lights.
361
00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:56,778
It feels like I'm done, I'm outta here,
362
00:15:56,780 --> 00:15:58,668
I can't deal with this anymore,
363
00:15:58,670 --> 00:16:02,838
and he makes me feel like he
just kind of snuffed life out.
364
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,818
Well this man, Luke,
365
00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:08,628
actually committed suicide in this house,
366
00:16:08,630 --> 00:16:10,168
using a rifle.
367
00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:12,638
So your feelings would be exactly correct.
368
00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,918
And he makes me feel like
369
00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,788
the rug was pulled out
from under his feet,
370
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:19,768
like his world was just
completely shut down.
371
00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:21,538
When Luke was overseas in the war,
372
00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:24,868
he had met a woman, and
fell in love really deeply,
373
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:26,778
and when he returned.
374
00:16:26,780 --> 00:16:28,709
He said it's a complete illusion.
375
00:16:28,711 --> 00:16:31,328
She left him and married somebody else.
376
00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:33,638
And she had been baiting him all along.
377
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,818
And as long as he was gone,
378
00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,868
she was able to keep up
that game, that ruse,
379
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:40,628
and then when he came home,
380
00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:42,998
it was a little too close for comfort,
381
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,268
and she finally had to tell him,
382
00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:47,938
I'm sorry, I just can't
keep this up any longer.
383
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,113
What the hell is this?
384
00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:53,420
This is probably the most craziest
385
00:16:54,992 --> 00:16:57,918
picture that I can ever imagine.
386
00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,418
And that's this house in
the background, correct?
387
00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:02,388
Absolutely is, yep.
388
00:17:02,390 --> 00:17:05,108
I don't understand
what this dark entity is,
389
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:06,658
that's in this photo,
390
00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:09,480
and the girl that's in the photo
391
00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,408
looks very disturbed to me.
392
00:17:11,410 --> 00:17:14,558
And I don't want to use the
word that she's possessed,
393
00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,538
but it almost feels like that
394
00:17:16,540 --> 00:17:19,568
she's got something else that's going on,
395
00:17:19,570 --> 00:17:21,958
like she's not 100% there,
396
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,728
but there's something else
that's kind of captivating her.
397
00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:30,428
I'm really kind of freaked out
by what this dark cloud is.
398
00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:32,380
This is exactly what
399
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,208
the owner of the home, currently, Rebecca,
400
00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:35,928
was describing that when she was a kid
401
00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:38,868
she would see these dark
masses in the bedroom,
402
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:40,338
in the corner, and she would even say
403
00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:41,798
that when cars would go by,
404
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,348
it would light up the room,
405
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:46,718
but it wouldn't light up
this corner where this was.
406
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,618
This has got me really concerned.
407
00:17:48,620 --> 00:17:49,778
This is an old photos,
408
00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:51,728
so this is something that's been going on
409
00:17:51,730 --> 00:17:53,285
for a long, long time.
410
00:17:53,287 --> 00:17:55,528
I don't know how the family
411
00:17:55,530 --> 00:17:58,198
had all that energy going on here,
412
00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,988
because there's a lot of spirits here.
413
00:18:00,990 --> 00:18:03,478
There are still a lot
of souls that are here,
414
00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,808
that are still attached to this place.
415
00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:08,108
It's seen so much life,
416
00:18:08,110 --> 00:18:11,193
but yet this house has seen
so much death, as well.
417
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,790
What is that growling?
418
00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:14,912
You guys here that?
419
00:18:14,914 --> 00:18:15,747
Yeah.
420
00:18:16,820 --> 00:18:18,370
He doesn't like that.
421
00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:22,340
Hello?
422
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,743
Can you say that again?
423
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:48,658
So he's trying to take control,
424
00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:52,162
and he's trying to show everyone
that this is his house now.
425
00:18:52,164 --> 00:18:52,995
Now, when you say he,
426
00:18:52,997 --> 00:18:54,568
you're referring to the
voice that we heard?
427
00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:58,438
Yeah, yeah, he's not very happy,
428
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,418
he's not a very nice spirit at all.
429
00:19:00,420 --> 00:19:02,728
Do you feel that we're
in any kind of danger,
430
00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:04,518
with what you're feeling from this male?
431
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:05,928
Absolutely.
432
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:08,678
I would say that if he has it his way,
433
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,173
he wants everybody out
of this place right now.
434
00:19:13,870 --> 00:19:15,348
I'm good.
435
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:16,181
What's that?
436
00:19:16,183 --> 00:19:17,468
I'm good.
437
00:19:17,470 --> 00:19:19,738
I'm good, that's enough for me.
438
00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:21,338
Is there something
wrong with the equipment?
439
00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:24,373
No no no, this all going good, but I,
440
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:27,530
I came here to run sound, not this.
441
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,948
This sound's just coming out of the walls,
442
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:34,148
that's not, that's not
what I came here for,
443
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:37,195
so no, no I mean,
444
00:19:37,197 --> 00:19:38,738
I appreciate it, but no.
445
00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:40,830
You want the hoodie back?
446
00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:41,931
Something?
447
00:19:41,933 --> 00:19:43,250
No.
448
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:44,218
I don't.
449
00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:45,968
Is there anything we could do to?
450
00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:47,358
No, no.
451
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,663
This is just not my cup of
tea, not what I came here for.
452
00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,780
At this point,
453
00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:20,128
shall we continue to go room to room?
454
00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:22,138
Or shall we just go
down into that basement,
455
00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:23,678
and try to confront it?
456
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,748
I think that as much as I don't want to,
457
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:29,248
I think we need to just go
down there and just do it.
458
00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:30,821
Rebecca's sister,
when we interviewed her,
459
00:20:30,823 --> 00:20:33,258
that last words that she said to us,
460
00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:35,593
was be careful, be careful.
461
00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:39,280
Don't tell me you all didn't hear that.
462
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:40,408
I heard it.
463
00:20:40,410 --> 00:20:42,600
Let's go downstairs, that's it.
464
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:51,943
You guys ready?
465
00:20:53,220 --> 00:20:54,683
I'm as ready as I'm gonna be.
466
00:21:08,417 --> 00:21:11,300
Honest to God, it feels as if
467
00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:14,648
this floor wants to give way,
468
00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:17,618
and totally suck you in.
469
00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:19,570
That banging came from down this way.
470
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:22,543
Oh my God.
471
00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:26,453
Oh man, I sure don't
want to go back there.
472
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:28,623
Oh my God,
473
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:32,418
there's a growling that going on.
474
00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:34,307
It's coming from back here.
475
00:21:34,309 --> 00:21:36,628
It sounded like a
guttural kind of a growl.
476
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:38,800
And it's breathing.
477
00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,378
Who are you?
478
00:21:42,380 --> 00:21:43,603
What are you?
479
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,483
Oh my God.
480
00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:55,118
This is unbelievable.
481
00:21:55,120 --> 00:22:00,800
So this is why it will
not allow anything happy,
482
00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,278
and anything positive,
483
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,448
because it thrives on the anger,
484
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,580
the bitterness, the hatred.
485
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,918
Do you believe
that it was summoned?
486
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,518
Yes?
487
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,648
In this room?
488
00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:14,483
Yes.
489
00:22:15,547 --> 00:22:16,848
That goes perfectly in line
490
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:18,768
with the information that we have.
491
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:21,388
What do you want with this family?
492
00:22:21,390 --> 00:22:23,108
What do you want with this home?
493
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:24,928
Quit going from room to room.
494
00:22:24,930 --> 00:22:28,683
If you're that powerful,
give us a sign, right now.
495
00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:46,578
Go ahead, I heard that.
496
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:48,280
Go ahead and make the sound again.
497
00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:58,943
We're waiting for you.
498
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:04,385
I keep hearing
something down there.
499
00:23:04,387 --> 00:23:06,398
I just saw a shadow in there.
500
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,231
Down here?
501
00:23:07,233 --> 00:23:08,660
Yes.
502
00:23:28,410 --> 00:23:30,448
Kelly, whereabouts
did you see the shadow?
503
00:23:30,450 --> 00:23:33,168
I just saw it,
almost like it was peeking,
504
00:23:33,170 --> 00:23:35,163
right where this stack is.
505
00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:38,668
What the hell was that?
506
00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:41,168
It just walked right past you.
507
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:42,473
You want to push me?
508
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,558
I just saw it,
almost like it was peeking,
509
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,580
right where this stack is.
510
00:23:55,341 --> 00:23:56,174
Stack is.
511
00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:13,390
That's it?
512
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:15,963
Just push somebody and run away?
513
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,280
There's something right there.
514
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,800
Definitely, there's something right here.
515
00:24:28,930 --> 00:24:30,508
You in there?
516
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:31,710
You gonna hide in there?
517
00:24:34,184 --> 00:24:36,768
I don't know why, but
that just enraged me.
518
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:39,748
I've really never gotten mad, ever,
519
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:40,913
while investigating.
520
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,698
But that pissed me off.
521
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,288
It wants pissed.
522
00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:47,178
It wants anger.
523
00:24:47,180 --> 00:24:49,488
That's how it grows stronger,
524
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:51,483
and that's how it gains control.
525
00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:55,930
All I can say is, be
careful with this one.
526
00:27:43,404 --> 00:27:45,737
There's nothing, this way.
527
00:28:24,473 --> 00:28:25,906
Oh yeah.
528
00:28:25,908 --> 00:28:27,908
Check the door jamb too.
529
00:28:29,525 --> 00:28:30,648
I can see or hear of it.
530
00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:33,151
Someone definitely tried
to break this door in.
531
00:28:33,153 --> 00:28:34,968
You can see the cracks and the splinters
532
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,183
down the side here of this door.
533
00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:40,810
Oh yeah, there's only one thing
534
00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:43,168
that could really damage this kind metal,
535
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:46,308
and make these marks like
this, these circular marks,
536
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:47,141
I'm thinking it's probably
537
00:28:47,143 --> 00:28:50,318
like a single-handed sledge
hammer, or something like that.
538
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,308
They had to have made entry for sure.
539
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:53,748
How bizarre
do you guys think it is,
540
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:56,678
that somebody made entry
but didn't take anything?
541
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,988
How common is something like that?
542
00:28:58,990 --> 00:29:00,368
You get a lot of kids that come in,
543
00:29:00,370 --> 00:29:03,428
and they like to mess around,
but they'll destroy stuff.
544
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:06,158
If they get in, they'll break the chairs,
545
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,288
or they'll break more windows,
546
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:10,598
they're not just gonna come
in and walk around and leave.
547
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,723
And do nothing?
548
00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:13,817
If they came in,
549
00:29:13,819 --> 00:29:14,745
they did something, or
something spooked them,
550
00:29:14,747 --> 00:29:16,558
and they ran off.
551
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,608
It's one or the other.
552
00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:19,898
Because nothing was
done inside the house.
553
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,478
But they had to have made entry,
554
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,328
there's no doubt in my mind,
555
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:24,525
because the location of where they hit it,
556
00:29:24,527 --> 00:29:26,648
and that's pretty much the sweet spot
557
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:28,930
where you'd want to break open a door.
558
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:03,638
So I've been doing this
for approximately 10 years.
559
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,808
I started as just doing
Tarot readings for fun.
560
00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:10,248
But after that I just dabbled a little bit
561
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:11,948
into automatic writing,
562
00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:16,380
which for me was just more
comfortable, more personal.
563
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,380
I just felt like you
got better information,
564
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,980
doing automatic writing.
565
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:21,538
I'm not too familiar with that.
566
00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:23,348
How does that process work exactly?
567
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:28,800
For me, I would have a client
sit across from the desk,
568
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:29,898
then I sit there, hold their hands,
569
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,580
get their energy, and
then just start writing.
570
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,410
If you were wanting to do
571
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:36,648
this automatic writing here in the house,
572
00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:37,838
how would you do that?
573
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,188
I would just walk around,
574
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:40,851
just write down whatever comes to my mind.
575
00:31:40,853 --> 00:31:44,268
Forgive me for saying,
but you really seem nervous.
576
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:45,428
Are you sensing something
577
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:47,984
that you're not wanting to talk about?
578
00:31:47,986 --> 00:31:50,918
You know, I just keep getting
called to different areas,
579
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,988
and it's kind of making
me feel a little anxious,
580
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:54,708
because I feel like they
really want me to go.
581
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:57,840
I kind of feel like, they
think I'm gonna help them.
582
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:23,398
It's me, I'm here to help.
583
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,708
It's Christin Marie.
584
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,148
I feel this energy in here,
585
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:27,668
like you were punished in here.
586
00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:29,370
Were you sent here for punishment?
587
00:32:32,819 --> 00:32:35,419
It's very, almost like a
nauseous feeling in here.
588
00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:47,693
Something,
589
00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:53,403
nauseous, sweat, faint,
590
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,918
lay down.
591
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,470
Did you lay down on this floor?
592
00:32:58,750 --> 00:33:01,578
Oh my God, I am like
sweating all over the floor.
593
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:03,798
Like all of a sudden, I
just feel like, oh my God.
594
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,708
Like my face is super-glossy.
595
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:07,980
Adam, put
your hand right here.
596
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,518
It's really hot, you can feel it.
597
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,118
It got immediately hot.
598
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,628
Why are you making us hot?
599
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:13,863
Is that how you felt?
600
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,808
Where you burned?
601
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:19,918
I'm literally sweating.
602
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,170
I'm sweeting profusely.
603
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:25,761
I can't sit in there.
604
00:33:25,763 --> 00:33:27,408
I feel I'm
gonna throw up right now.
605
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:28,241
Exactly.
606
00:33:28,243 --> 00:33:29,838
Get this on camera.
607
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,673
Look at my hand.
608
00:33:32,252 --> 00:33:33,318
I don't know if I can get that or not,
609
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,608
but I literally can't sit in this room.
610
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:36,697
Another second.
611
00:33:40,925 --> 00:33:42,380
I don't know if I can get that or not,
612
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,328
but I literally can't sit in this room.
613
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:45,183
Another second.
614
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:55,451
It's like, it's hard to breathe.
615
00:33:55,453 --> 00:33:57,815
Yeah, it's extremely hard to breathe.
616
00:33:57,817 --> 00:33:58,648
It's awful.
617
00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:01,908
And I think that's the
point he's trying to make.
618
00:34:01,910 --> 00:34:03,893
Do you believe that somebody was harmed?
619
00:34:04,777 --> 00:34:05,647
It's awful,
620
00:34:05,649 --> 00:34:09,381
and I think that's the
point he's trying to make.
621
00:34:09,383 --> 00:34:11,883
The point he's trying to make.
622
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,248
Do you believe that somebody was harmed?
623
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:16,285
Yes.
624
00:34:16,287 --> 00:34:17,688
I'd have to look back at this.
625
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:20,680
I don't recall what
questions you were asking,
626
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:21,258
when I channel, I don't really
627
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,824
I don't hear with my ears,
I try to hear with my mind.
628
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:30,493
Throw up, stench, stuck
in here, punish me.
629
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:34,628
Ouch, pulled me, unstuck.
630
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:36,648
Got in trouble.
631
00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:40,768
Over, oh I saw him, a little
boy with like knickers,
632
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:41,918
and like the short overalls
633
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,978
with the socks pulled up to here,
634
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:45,488
and like the shoes,
635
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:47,793
but he's burning up and
he's sitting like this.
636
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:52,120
Like in this spot cramping.
637
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:56,218
And that's when I saw him,
is when I can smell like.
638
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:58,368
So he would have been
up against this wall?
639
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:59,201
Yeah.
640
00:34:59,203 --> 00:35:00,908
And that's exactly where I thought
641
00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:03,548
something was behind me
when I turned around.
642
00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:05,808
It's almost like it went unnoticed.
643
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:07,148
Oh my God.
644
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:08,588
I felt this, I can't stay here,
645
00:35:08,590 --> 00:35:10,984
like I'm really like
feeling very frightened.
646
00:35:10,986 --> 00:35:11,819
Okay.
647
00:35:47,471 --> 00:35:48,423
Did you have
him in here recording?
648
00:35:48,425 --> 00:35:50,228
Yes.
649
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:53,798
Christin, when
you first entered the home,
650
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,948
you had saw somebody
here in this stairwell,
651
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:57,498
going down the stairs.
652
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:58,331
Yes.
653
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:00,358
Did you have any specifics,
654
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,205
or is there anything you can tell us
655
00:36:01,207 --> 00:36:02,548
about who that may have been?
656
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:04,963
The half man morpher.
657
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,808
Do you
want to like try to uh?
658
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:11,628
I think that's why I'm
feeling sick right now,
659
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:13,938
'cause usually when it's a spirit that
660
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:15,300
is just,
661
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:18,638
well a spirit can make you sick through
662
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,788
how they felt, when they were
going through a situation,
663
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:22,628
or usually when you're in
664
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:25,498
the presence of a negative energy,
665
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,680
you can feel very sick.
666
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:28,580
Do you think it's possible
667
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,460
that it could be an inhuman?
668
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,980
Well what do you mean by inhuman?
669
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:36,848
Well, the reason I ask that is,
670
00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:39,280
we've caught an image on video,
671
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:40,968
of what looks like sort of an animal
672
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:42,885
running across the cellar floor,
673
00:36:42,887 --> 00:36:44,738
and it seems to be on all fours.
674
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:47,298
This is exactly what I'm seeing now.
675
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,588
That's exactly what I saw.
676
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:50,113
So do I feel inhuman?
677
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:55,580
I would say I don't
think it's a human form,
678
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,608
I feel extremely, extremely
uncomfortable right now,
679
00:36:57,610 --> 00:36:59,138
even talking about it.
680
00:36:59,140 --> 00:37:01,730
Like, very uncomfortable.
681
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,338
And I feel like it's kind of like
682
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:06,520
the master of
683
00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:10,563
down here, with all this stuff.
684
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:16,680
Were you
conjured to be in this home?
685
00:37:18,430 --> 00:37:20,543
Did something bring you into this house?
686
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:29,883
Yes.
687
00:37:33,652 --> 00:37:36,698
But it was actually outside, before.
688
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,328
And was not a problem,
689
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:40,198
until it was welcomed in.
690
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,168
When you say it
was welcomed into the house.
691
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:43,588
It was asked to come in.
692
00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:44,421
Okay.
693
00:37:44,423 --> 00:37:47,383
Is there any way we can
find out who did it?
694
00:37:48,375 --> 00:37:52,125
Woman-man, woman-man,
woman-man, woman-man.
695
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,219
I feel like the letter J or an O.
696
00:37:57,221 --> 00:37:59,263
I almost feel like
there's two people though.
697
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,668
They wanted to dabble in something
698
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:03,970
that they didn't know
really completely about.
699
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,420
What's its
purpose in the house now?
700
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:09,841
Did you hear that?
701
00:38:09,843 --> 00:38:10,674
Yeah.
702
00:38:10,676 --> 00:38:12,333
It's like a rumbling.
703
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:16,527
Purpose in the house.
704
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:18,928
I can't tell you.
705
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:21,830
What will it
take for it to leave the house?
706
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:24,430
Everyone to leave.
707
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:29,928
It's getting so angry.
708
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:31,513
Stop asking questions.
709
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,968
Like, it wanted me to pound on the wall,
710
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:37,228
really hard, when you asked that,
711
00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:39,708
and just scream and be
like, stop asking questions,
712
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:41,278
stop asking questions.
713
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,168
But it's not like, English.
714
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:44,773
Like it's weird, and like,
715
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:50,298
it's definitely something else.
716
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,778
I don't want to say like Latin maybe,
717
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:53,780
or something like that.
718
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Well, we don't
have to ask any more questions.
719
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:57,370
If there's anything that
720
00:38:59,490 --> 00:39:01,627
wants to be said, it can be.
721
00:39:04,503 --> 00:39:05,868
Get the fuck out.
722
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:07,234
Get the fuck out.
723
00:39:07,236 --> 00:39:08,980
Get the fuck out.
724
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,298
It's like, just like rage,
725
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:11,963
just like anger and rage.
726
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,530
It's very negative.
727
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:21,238
Well, I don't feel that
728
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,978
we're gonna subscribe to that.
729
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:25,743
Let's go ahead and end
this investigation here.
730
00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:28,438
Good.
731
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,150
Let's not give it a form.
732
00:39:30,152 --> 00:39:30,985
Yep.
733
00:39:33,701 --> 00:39:35,701
That's a fantastic idea.
734
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:50,978
My overall vibe is that it would for me,
735
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:53,980
if I had to live here, it
would not be comfortable.
736
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,280
I don't know how anybody
could live here to be honest.
737
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,658
It's just, there's just too much going on,
738
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:01,418
especially in that basement.
739
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:03,868
When you were
doing the automatic writing,
740
00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:05,648
or trying to, on the stairwell,
741
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:10,158
you said that it began to
speak with awful profanity,
742
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,168
and rage.
743
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:12,740
Why do you think that was?
744
00:40:12,742 --> 00:40:13,573
Probably because we're here
745
00:40:13,575 --> 00:40:15,580
and we're asking and talking about it.
746
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,668
It likes to kind of be elusive,
747
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:20,108
in a way I think, but it just
does not want people here,
748
00:40:20,110 --> 00:40:21,598
it does not want people talking about it.
749
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,747
It's just angry.
750
00:40:23,749 --> 00:40:25,688
It doesn't want its presence
751
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:26,859
to be brought to light.
752
00:40:26,861 --> 00:40:29,698
It doesn't want to be talked
about, or known about.
753
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:30,658
And you think that's why
754
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,608
it pretty much hides in
the darkness, down there?
755
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:33,898
Yes.
756
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:34,948
When you say that it was
757
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:36,338
welcomed in this house,
758
00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:37,498
how does that happen?
759
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:39,668
Is it a ritual, or what is it?
760
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:41,880
Could be a ritual,
761
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:42,918
could be kind of like a seance,
762
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,898
kind of like how some people
pray for angels to come.
763
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:47,958
Some people can continually ask
764
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,148
for negative energies to come,
765
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:52,558
or sometimes people who are going through
766
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,980
a traumatic period in their life,
767
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,108
who focus on negative thoughts and energy,
768
00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:57,368
can welcome that in as well,
769
00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:00,718
but I feel like I said this
one was more ritualistic.
770
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,558
When you encountered
771
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,408
that spirit in the stairwell,
772
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:06,128
your whole demeanor changed,
773
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,628
you could see physically
you kind of jerked back,
774
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:11,638
and we were very concerned
for you at that point.
775
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,350
What exactly did you see, and/or feel?
776
00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:18,778
Well, with strong energy,
you feel sick, and body pains,
777
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,428
nausea and anger, and rage.
778
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:23,548
If I told you
that the owner of the house,
779
00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:24,998
the current owner of the property,
780
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,768
her and her husband would
go downstairs to talk,
781
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:29,758
and they would often end up arguing.
782
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,278
They would reach the point of rage,
783
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,948
and sometimes seem semi-uncontrollable,
784
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:36,198
when they would go down there.
785
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,180
Do you think that what's
down in the basement
786
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,858
could have contributed to this?
787
00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:40,691
Absolutely.
788
00:41:40,693 --> 00:41:43,474
It's almost like, not
a full-on possession.
789
00:41:43,476 --> 00:41:47,588
You give him a little fight to
cause a little bit of anger,
790
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:49,265
and that feeds it, and it feeds it,
791
00:41:49,267 --> 00:41:51,718
and it can keep feeding it until
792
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,880
even people who normally
have a good relationship,
793
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:56,558
end up in a physically
abusive relationship.
794
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,248
It can definitely feed that energy.
795
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:59,188
I've seen it happen.
796
00:41:59,190 --> 00:42:02,328
And I think that if
they stay in this home,
797
00:42:02,330 --> 00:42:04,828
without some sort of resolution,
798
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:06,938
things could go really poorly.
799
00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:08,838
In your opinion,
800
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,635
should anybody be living in this home?
801
00:42:10,637 --> 00:42:11,470
No.
802
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:49,318
You guys okay up there?
803
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,151
Yep.
804
00:42:50,153 --> 00:42:50,984
All right Jamie,
805
00:42:50,986 --> 00:42:53,918
I'm gonna go ahead and begin
this EVP so I should know.
806
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,588
My name is Steve.
807
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:58,408
You and I communicated just the other day,
808
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:00,568
when I was here with Christin.
809
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:05,438
Christin felt that you
were hurt in this room,
810
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,618
and from all the different pages here,
811
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:11,888
there are several words and phrases,
812
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:16,890
that would suggest that you
were indeed harmed in this spot.
813
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,883
Please tell us who hurt you, and why.
814
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:30,948
I can see that at one time
there was indeed a door
815
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:32,318
on this closet.
816
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,963
Were you maybe locked in here?
817
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:38,850
Something's moving around up here.
818
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,780
What's happening?
819
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:42,913
I'm not sure.
820
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:50,548
What's going on up there.
821
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:53,275
Something just
poked me in the back.
822
00:43:53,277 --> 00:43:55,528
Try to communicate.
823
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:59,447
Why did you
just poke me in the back?
824
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:08,648
Jamie?
825
00:44:08,650 --> 00:44:09,483
Yeah.
826
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,230
Ask what 1908 means.
827
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,630
Do you know what 1908 means?
828
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:24,748
I keep seeing the phrase,
829
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:26,978
got in trouble,
830
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:28,363
got in trouble.
831
00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:32,103
What did you do to get in trouble?
832
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:36,977
Sounded like it came from over here.
833
00:44:42,903 --> 00:44:45,748
What do you mean by 1908?
834
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:47,893
Is that the year that you were born?
835
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,713
Steve?
836
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:56,452
What's up?
837
00:44:56,454 --> 00:44:58,688
Look what we found up there.
838
00:44:58,690 --> 00:45:00,221
What is that?
839
00:45:00,223 --> 00:45:01,773
A very old baseball.
840
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,791
A ball?
841
00:45:03,793 --> 00:45:04,886
Yeah.
842
00:45:04,888 --> 00:45:05,721
Hold on, hold on to that.
843
00:45:14,141 --> 00:45:17,318
Oh, it says ball here.
844
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,468
She wrote down "ball" two times.
845
00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:20,973
Here, drop it down to me.
846
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:31,463
Is this your ball?
847
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,463
Do you want to come get it back?
848
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:39,230
Is this your ball?
849
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:47,750
It's right here.
850
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,563
We can roll it back and forth.
851
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,503
Play a game?
852
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:59,628
If you could roll that ball for me,
853
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:02,243
I'll try and catch it
over here on my side.
854
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,113
Can you do that?
855
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,453
Please don't be afraid.
856
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:21,173
No one's gonna hurt you
here, I can promise you that.
857
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:25,450
Oh my God.
858
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:28,658
No one's gonna hurt you here,
859
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:29,823
I can promise you that.
860
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:34,860
Oh my God.
861
00:46:39,353 --> 00:46:40,788
Was that a voice?
862
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:42,140
It sounded like laughing.
863
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,290
Get a name.
864
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:47,597
What's your name?
865
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,468
How did they die?
866
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:53,138
Was it in this house?
867
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:54,283
How did you die?
868
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:58,697
How did you die?
869
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:32,608
But it's not like, English.
870
00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:34,233
Like it's weird, and like,
871
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,980
it's definitely something else.
872
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,580
Hi, I'm Julie, I'm from
Frankenmuth, Michigan.
873
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,578
I lived in Germany for 15 years,
874
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:49,698
and I'm here tonight to
help translate into German.
875
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,407
I was from.
876
00:47:54,590 --> 00:47:57,480
We lived there from the time I was a baby
877
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,428
until I was 15 years old.
878
00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:00,728
What was going through your mind
879
00:48:00,730 --> 00:48:02,798
when you started pulling up the driveway,
880
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,780
and you saw the home
tonight for the first time?
881
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,398
What went through your head?
882
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,228
Well first off, it's dark,
and the house looks creepy.
883
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:13,408
Pulling up, I felt sort of scared.
884
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,128
I had more friends
telling me not to do this,
885
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:18,408
because they are worried
that something bad
886
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:22,187
will attach itself to me,
and I will bring that home.
887
00:48:22,189 --> 00:48:23,798
Then I had a few people telling me,
888
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,118
oh this is really cool,
this is a great experience.
889
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,180
You will be able to see
if all this is real.
890
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,878
I just want to know that
there is something out there,
891
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,118
and that there is an afterlife.
892
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,906
Okay, I guess with that being said,
893
00:48:39,908 --> 00:48:41,113
would you like to begin?
894
00:48:41,115 --> 00:48:42,440
Yes, let's get started.
895
00:48:42,442 --> 00:48:43,275
Okay.
896
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,968
Rebecca's daughter told
us about an incident,
897
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:27,918
while she was lying in bed,
898
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,386
and she heard a tapping at the window.
899
00:49:40,746 --> 00:49:42,768
While the tapping was happening,
900
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:45,878
the blanket was pulled
over her head tightly,
901
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,981
to where she couldn't move.
902
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,638
Whoever is responsible for
terrorizing this child,
903
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,448
this family, identify yourself now.
904
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:00,798
Come forward.
905
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:09,693
Quit doing cowardly things,
like picking on children.
906
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,800
Quit doing cowardly things,
907
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,523
like pulling people's hair.
908
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,224
Who the hell are you?
909
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:30,649
What is your name?
910
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,231
Did you just feel something?
911
00:50:38,233 --> 00:50:41,488
Yeah, I just felt that
dizzy feeling again.
912
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:42,321
You okay?
913
00:50:42,323 --> 00:50:43,156
Yeah, I'm fine.
914
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:47,728
Happened again, didn't it?
915
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:49,218
Yeah.
916
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:50,833
There's something right over here.
917
00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:55,198
That string right there
moved a little bit, too.
918
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,480
And you didn't touch it.
919
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,160
I feel completely normal right here.
920
00:51:01,830 --> 00:51:05,496
Why do you seem to only want
to hurt women or children?
921
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:10,540
Answer me.
922
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,888
Feel how cold it is over here.
923
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:23,983
Stick your hand here.
924
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:29,660
Is this where you stand at night?
925
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,668
Rebecca's daughter said
she would hear footsteps
926
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:37,748
coming up the stairs,
927
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:40,769
and stopping right here, by her bed.
928
00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:47,400
She laid in this bed many
nights, afraid to sleep.
929
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:54,118
This affected her school and her life.
930
00:51:58,728 --> 00:52:02,118
Do you have any remorse or empathy
931
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,920
for what you've done to this family?
932
00:52:32,970 --> 00:52:35,580
Standing against the wall I felt
933
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,958
really weird and dizzy,
934
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,118
and felt sadness in the
room, and loneliness,
935
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,498
and I had to step away from that wall
936
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:44,688
to feel fine again.
937
00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:48,648
I heard a voice, I'm not
sure if it was German or not.
938
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:50,898
It just sounded like a male voice,
939
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,325
like some sort of word,
940
00:52:53,327 --> 00:52:57,118
and right now I'm starting to
feel a little bit dizzy again,
941
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,773
and I never feel this way.
942
00:53:00,270 --> 00:53:00,858
You okay?
943
00:53:00,860 --> 00:53:02,148
Yeah, I'm fine.
944
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:03,968
It's just a little dizziness.
945
00:53:03,970 --> 00:53:06,403
Maybe recap some
of the questions you asked.
946
00:53:06,405 --> 00:53:08,528
Some of the questions I asked in German,
947
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:10,788
was who was here,
948
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:15,158
and it was mainly directly targeting Luke,
949
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,313
asking him if he was here,
950
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,776
and my mind just went
completely blank, I'm sorry.
951
00:53:22,778 --> 00:53:23,609
That's okay.
952
00:53:23,611 --> 00:53:25,373
I feel like I need to
stand somewhere else.
953
00:53:27,214 --> 00:53:28,450
Would you like to sit down?
954
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:28,880
Yeah.
955
00:53:33,408 --> 00:53:34,588
That feels better.
956
00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:35,748
What's happening in this house
957
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:37,598
is really physically
affecting you, isn't it?
958
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,503
Yeah, yeah I feel really strange.
959
00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:45,403
Wow, brand new battery.
960
00:53:46,550 --> 00:53:47,598
There we go.
961
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,678
Completely died,
962
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,738
right when you asked
if you could sit down.
963
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:54,558
Maybe something's like draining...
964
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,908
Oh I definitely think so.
965
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:59,417
I watched your demeanor, I
watched it happen to you.
966
00:53:59,419 --> 00:54:01,529
And just when this happened to you,
967
00:54:01,531 --> 00:54:02,518
and you needed to sit down,
968
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,448
my battery just went from 75% to zero.
969
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:06,475
To nothin'.
970
00:54:06,477 --> 00:54:09,243
I'm going to ask if
he doesn't like women.
971
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,440
I feel like, like my arm feels
972
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:27,168
like it's being like
grabbed, but not hard,
973
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:28,913
but just grabbed.
974
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,840
Luke, is that you?
975
00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:38,588
Whoever you are, this is unacceptable.
976
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:44,178
Julie is a guest in this house.
977
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:50,979
And regardless, you have no
right to touch anybody here.
978
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,668
Acknowledge please.
979
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:59,966
Let us know that you understand me.
980
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:11,280
Why are you so angry?
981
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:12,603
Why are you so hateful?
982
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,853
Why do you keep preying
on women and children?
983
00:55:25,553 --> 00:55:27,530
Identify yourself.
984
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,740
'Cause we're not gonna leave until you do.
985
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:35,333
I can promise you that.
986
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,772
And I don't care how long it takes.
987
00:55:44,770 --> 00:55:46,959
And I don't care how
many more people quit.
988
00:55:51,337 --> 00:55:53,103
And I don't care what you do to me.
989
00:55:56,450 --> 00:56:00,680
What if he thinks that I'm
the one that's targeting him,
990
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:01,653
because I'm translating?
991
00:56:04,838 --> 00:56:07,813
I'm the one that's
speaking to you, not Julie.
992
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,716
If you're gonna grab somebody, grab me.
993
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:16,148
Point right at me.
994
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,698
I'm the one calling you a coward.
995
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:23,478
I'm the one that thinks you're disgusting,
996
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,143
because of what you do,
and what you've been doing.
997
00:56:27,570 --> 00:56:29,700
You're gonna leave this house.
998
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:32,520
I don't care what I have to do.
999
00:56:47,154 --> 00:56:49,768
Would you like to communicate with us?
1000
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:06,230
Is that you?
1001
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:11,643
Come toward the sound of our voice.
1002
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:16,498
Do not be afraid.
1003
00:57:21,511 --> 00:57:23,648
What is keeping you in this home?
1004
00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:26,523
Do you feel forced to be here?
1005
00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:34,930
Or do you choose to be here?
1006
00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:41,358
We can hear you, we hear
you walking around up there.
1007
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,288
We hear you on the stairs,
1008
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:44,954
we've heard your knocking.
1009
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,113
I heard something.
1010
00:57:57,992 --> 00:58:00,575
I heard something a little bit.
1011
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:17,308
Ask them to come down the stairs.
1012
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:18,778
Tell 'em to come down.
1013
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:20,495
Don't be afraid.
1014
00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:30,448
There's nothing to fear here.
1015
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,728
We just want the family
to quit being terrified,
1016
00:58:36,730 --> 00:58:37,816
and scared.
1017
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,808
Do they have any kind of message for us?
1018
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:48,230
Why are they doing this?
1019
00:58:57,721 --> 00:58:59,639
What was that?
1020
00:58:59,641 --> 00:59:00,538
What was that?
1021
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:01,888
It sounded like a weird voice
1022
00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:03,138
up there or something.
1023
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:05,468
My God, I heard barking, growling,
1024
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:07,714
like it was an animal.
1025
00:59:07,716 --> 00:59:10,160
It sounded like a
different language almost.
1026
00:59:13,708 --> 00:59:16,879
Are you all right?
1027
00:59:16,881 --> 00:59:18,881
What did you say to her?
1028
00:59:20,488 --> 00:59:23,218
It wasn't words, it wasn't words,
1029
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:25,193
it was like an animal noise.
1030
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,828
Something's mad, I could feel it,
1031
00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:31,108
something is like really mad up there.
1032
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:32,330
I could feel it.
1033
00:59:35,131 --> 00:59:36,221
Oh my God.
1034
00:59:36,223 --> 00:59:37,573
Whatever's in this house,
1035
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:40,364
there's something that's not good here.
1036
00:59:40,366 --> 00:59:43,960
I can't finish, I can't, I can't.
1037
00:59:43,962 --> 00:59:45,755
I cannot finish.
1038
00:59:45,757 --> 00:59:46,775
You don't have to.
1039
00:59:46,777 --> 00:59:47,777
That was so scary.
1040
00:59:50,648 --> 00:59:51,981
I was so scared.
1041
00:59:53,346 --> 00:59:55,328
And you didn't understand any words?
1042
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,778
It wasn't words, I can
say that with certainty.
1043
00:59:58,780 --> 01:00:00,788
It was not words,
1044
01:00:00,790 --> 01:00:04,338
it was like a bark,
1045
01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:05,766
like a growl,
1046
01:00:05,768 --> 01:00:07,138
like an animal.
1047
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:08,778
It was like an animal.
1048
01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:11,178
It was like it didn't want you upstairs?
1049
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:15,400
Like it was trying to
get me to come back down.
1050
01:00:15,402 --> 01:00:18,283
You know, that's why I like ran.
1051
01:00:20,780 --> 01:00:22,598
You guys all heard it though, right?
1052
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,148
Yeah, we heard it for sure.
1053
01:00:25,150 --> 01:00:26,573
It was really loud.
1054
01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:29,680
We have several cameras,
1055
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,280
I mean we have at least six cameras,
1056
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:34,298
seven cameras running
audio in all directions.
1057
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:35,858
Can you play it?
1058
01:00:35,860 --> 01:00:38,198
Yeah, we'll play it right now.
1059
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,330
You all right?
1060
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:42,448
I should not have went over there.
1061
01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:43,633
That's all right, let's go.
1062
01:01:04,189 --> 01:01:08,144
What if I stand over
there by the stairs?
1063
01:01:08,146 --> 01:01:10,287
Ask it to come down the stairs,
1064
01:01:10,289 --> 01:01:11,771
tell him to come down.
1065
01:01:11,773 --> 01:01:13,156
Don't be afraid.
1066
01:01:21,618 --> 01:01:23,380
There's nothing to fear here.
1067
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,842
We just want the
family to quit being terrified,
1068
01:01:29,844 --> 01:01:30,831
and scared.
1069
01:01:36,523 --> 01:01:39,258
Do they have any
kind of message for us?
1070
01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:41,583
Why are you doing this?
1071
01:01:54,673 --> 01:01:57,280
That's the message, that's the message.
1072
01:01:57,282 --> 01:01:59,770
We just want the
family to quit being terrified,
1073
01:01:59,772 --> 01:02:01,168
and scared.
1074
01:02:08,155 --> 01:02:10,850
Do they have any kind of message for us?
1075
01:02:10,852 --> 01:02:13,402
Why are they doing this?
1076
01:02:23,686 --> 01:02:25,512
Oh my God.
1077
01:02:25,514 --> 01:02:27,140
The old growler.
1078
01:02:28,424 --> 01:02:29,948
You still
have tears in your eyes.
1079
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:30,781
Every time you hear it?
1080
01:02:30,783 --> 01:02:33,658
Well it understands German.
1081
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:37,748
It does, because it
was right after I said,
1082
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:39,168
do you have a message for us?
1083
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:40,888
Do you have a message?
1084
01:02:40,890 --> 01:02:43,750
I gotta leave this house.
1085
01:02:43,770 --> 01:02:45,543
I gotta leave this house, I
don't want to be here anymore.
1086
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,618
My name is TD McRoy.
1087
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:30,980
I'm the chief executive director
1088
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:32,148
for an independent research organization
1089
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:35,680
out of Orlando, Florida,
called CPI Investigations.
1090
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:36,498
For the past 13 years,
1091
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:38,268
we have attempted to establish a link
1092
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:41,178
between particle physics,
and the supernatural.
1093
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:44,208
Back in 2007, our research team created
1094
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:48,358
a powerful computer program
called, the Iroquois Technology.
1095
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,305
The program has the ability to detect
1096
01:03:51,307 --> 01:03:55,788
neutrinos hidden
within film footage.
1097
01:03:55,790 --> 01:04:00,790
We had looked at, and
researched a lot of hauntings,
1098
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:02,678
from around the country,
1099
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,480
and we realized there was probably
1100
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:10,558
a direct correlation between physics
1101
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,858
and what people had been reporting.
1102
01:04:12,860 --> 01:04:16,228
We're all born and raised to believe,
1103
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:18,638
and we're all told at very young ages,
1104
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,918
that ghosts are not real,
that monsters are not real.
1105
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,988
And even though our eyes tell us
1106
01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:27,188
that we're looking at something that
1107
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:29,458
most likely doesn't exist,
1108
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:31,458
what we were proving is that,
1109
01:04:31,460 --> 01:04:35,780
Iroquois Technology was
discovering human-like images
1110
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,208
hidden within film footage,
1111
01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:40,773
basically, hidden to the human eye.
1112
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,268
I want to show you some
of the things that we got.
1113
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:49,228
We just wanted to identify,
1114
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:51,508
and so let me go ahead
and play it for you,
1115
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:54,180
and tell me if you remember seeing this
1116
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,120
when you were filming.
1117
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,148
So, right there.
1118
01:04:59,150 --> 01:05:00,548
Yeah, I see it right there.
1119
01:05:00,550 --> 01:05:01,988
I'll let it play through first,
1120
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:03,938
and then I'll take it back.
1121
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:05,918
It'll do it again, we get a closer view,
1122
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,828
and you can see it snaps out.
1123
01:05:07,830 --> 01:05:10,598
That's the second time, that it pops its,
1124
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,928
we'll just call it a head,
because we don't know what it is.
1125
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:15,180
But anyways, that was interesting.
1126
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,788
I definitely wanted to show you that one.
1127
01:05:17,790 --> 01:05:21,600
Moved on, we also caught
1128
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,968
something in the parlor area.
1129
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:29,848
And so here is the door opening slowly.
1130
01:05:29,850 --> 01:05:32,108
And you will see what looks to be
1131
01:05:32,110 --> 01:05:35,280
the face of a gentleman, off in the back,
1132
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:38,113
and at the same time his hand,
1133
01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:41,780
is here at the door.
1134
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,808
Now, if you go and look at
1135
01:05:42,810 --> 01:05:45,398
a lot of different
investigators' photographs,
1136
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,978
sometimes you will see,
every now and then,
1137
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:50,338
you'll see like a purple streak somewhere.
1138
01:05:50,340 --> 01:05:52,638
No one has ever seen an entire face.
1139
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,998
We just usually get an orb of a streak.
1140
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,465
This guy's face, and part
of his hand are there.
1141
01:05:58,467 --> 01:06:02,580
And the reason we think he's
performed a quantum leap,
1142
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,280
or a quantum jump, is because his face,
1143
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:08,158
or his body, appears to
be on the stairs there,
1144
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,548
but his hand is clearly opening
the door at the same time.
1145
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:16,550
But there's no way he has
elongated his arm to do that.
1146
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:18,468
Anybody would see that.
1147
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:21,108
So that means he was there at the steps,
1148
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:23,800
and at the door at the same time.
1149
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,148
That is a perfect definition
of a quantum leap,
1150
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:27,228
or quantum jump.
1151
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:28,378
And what's amazing about that
1152
01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:29,918
is when I filmed this walk-through,
1153
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,648
for you to test the technology,
1154
01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:33,998
when that front door opened for me,
1155
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,278
I thought it was the wind.
1156
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,208
Because initially he
reached towards the right,
1157
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:39,378
and the doorknob is actually on the left.
1158
01:06:39,380 --> 01:06:40,518
On the left.
1159
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,748
And when the camera pans back slightly,
1160
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:46,188
the door is already opening.
1161
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:48,458
So yeah, I'll play it for you again,
1162
01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:51,578
but you can see that he
is over on the steps,
1163
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:54,848
but at the same time,
his arm, or his hand,
1164
01:06:54,850 --> 01:06:56,338
is actually opening the door.
1165
01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:57,998
Look how far away he is.
1166
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,208
Right, and then this image,
what we're seeing right here,
1167
01:07:00,210 --> 01:07:02,908
this is before even
the dynamic filtration.
1168
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:03,886
Absolutely.
1169
01:07:03,888 --> 01:07:05,210
This is just my raw video, right here.
1170
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:08,348
And you can still see
the face and the hand.
1171
01:07:08,350 --> 01:07:09,538
We're not done with the parlor yet,
1172
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:11,388
because, I'm just gonna bring it up
1173
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:13,548
and you just tell me what you think.
1174
01:07:13,550 --> 01:07:15,828
But this is what we
found at the front door,
1175
01:07:15,830 --> 01:07:17,738
while you were opening the door,
1176
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:20,130
just moments before the
gentleman took over.
1177
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:26,358
And you can see, what appears to us
1178
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,658
as a woman who has long, dark hair,
1179
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:33,578
a full nose, she looks like maybe her lips
1180
01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:36,118
may be swollen a little bit.
1181
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,568
Very long hair, but she looks like
1182
01:07:37,570 --> 01:07:39,578
she's wearing a white gown.
1183
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:41,830
With her hair
parted in the middle.
1184
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,928
Would you say that she
has a Native American,
1185
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:47,623
or Mexican, look to her?
1186
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:51,218
I would say that she
definitely doesn't have
1187
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:52,923
a European look to her.
1188
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:56,978
Well, this is what you don't know.
1189
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:58,838
Rebecca's father, Rebecca's the woman
1190
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,418
that owns the home that we
filmed this investigation in.
1191
01:08:01,420 --> 01:08:04,688
Her father claimed that
he was being taunted
1192
01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:09,880
by a short woman, with long black hair,
1193
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:11,818
parted in the middle,
wearing a white gown,
1194
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:16,800
that was speaking Spanish, or
some type of language to him,
1195
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,158
and this was in the last
few weeks of his life
1196
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,858
before he passed away in the home.
1197
01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:23,718
That is absolutely incredible,
that you caught this.
1198
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,380
You could never have known that.
1199
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,598
Nobody knows that, except
for a handful of people
1200
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,338
that were present for the interviews.
1201
01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:31,708
Wait a minute, so there was a gentleman
1202
01:08:31,710 --> 01:08:33,638
that lived in this house,
1203
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,228
and there were reports
of a woman that looked...
1204
01:08:37,230 --> 01:08:38,658
Exactly, exactly like that.
1205
01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:41,580
We have the interviews
where his daughters,
1206
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,468
both of his daughters clearly state this.
1207
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:46,848
In fact, the gentleman that
lived there, Rebecca's father,
1208
01:08:46,850 --> 01:08:49,508
was seeing apparitions so real,
1209
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:52,878
that he actually fired
a rifle in his house,
1210
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,138
at what he thought was an intruder,
1211
01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:58,488
that was not an intruder,
all the doors were locked.
1212
01:08:58,490 --> 01:09:01,290
It was impossible for anybody
to have been in the house.
1213
01:09:02,410 --> 01:09:05,243
But specifically, he
described this spirit.
1214
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,428
Listen, that's amazing,
because the Iroquois Technology
1215
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:14,954
reads these images with
bits of information,
1216
01:09:14,956 --> 01:09:16,968
ones and zeros.
1217
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:19,468
That's all it's doing, that's
just the basic computer.
1218
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:22,608
The computer doesn't know
what you just described.
1219
01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:25,363
Of course not yeah, I mean
that's absolutely amazing.
1220
01:09:29,690 --> 01:09:32,118
There's a little Mexican girl.
1221
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,858
She's coming up to me.
1222
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:37,280
She's talking Spanish to me,
1223
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:38,898
and then she runs off, and I told her,
1224
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:40,558
wait a minute, tell me what you said.
1225
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,278
And she runs and hides behind the door,
1226
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,780
and I go look behind the
door and she's not there.
1227
01:11:28,183 --> 01:11:31,658
Bill Gutzwiller, I work
for Essexville Public Safety.
1228
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:34,663
I've been doing this job for 19 years.
1229
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,658
Called here to today, to give my opinion
1230
01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:41,510
on some fire damage that
occurred around the house, here.
1231
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:45,548
So, what I'm gonna try and
do, is take a look at this,
1232
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:49,825
to see what caused it, number one,
1233
01:11:49,827 --> 01:11:53,328
and number two, look at some
confusing aspects of it,
1234
01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:55,398
that were brought to my attention.
1235
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,288
So it appears, from what I understand,
1236
01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:01,833
that the gutter from up here,
1237
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:04,743
came down onto the wiring,
1238
01:12:05,690 --> 01:12:10,280
which in turn caused
a spark on the ground,
1239
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:13,608
and caused a fire to ignite
all the way around the house,
1240
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:15,908
from the wire that came down.
1241
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:18,243
So, as we step over here,
1242
01:12:19,230 --> 01:12:23,168
I can definitely see the
gutter on the ground,
1243
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:24,668
and as I'm looking on the ground,
1244
01:12:24,670 --> 01:12:26,838
I can definitely tell that
there's some charring,
1245
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,193
so there obviously was a flame
that came through this area,
1246
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:36,293
and the gutter over here,
you can definitely see,
1247
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:40,243
has burn marks to where at
least it started melting.
1248
01:12:41,170 --> 01:12:43,158
So but, on the ground,
1249
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,360
is where I can really
see a lot of the char.
1250
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:48,653
So as I come over here,
1251
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:52,853
I notice one of the
peaks had also come down,
1252
01:12:57,751 --> 01:12:59,380
and as I look, it looks as though
1253
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,818
the flame definitely came through here,
1254
01:13:01,820 --> 01:13:03,438
but this wood doesn't have any burn
1255
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:04,940
or charred marks on it at all.
1256
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,163
And with this old wood,
1257
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,120
I'm kind of boggled as to why it didn't,
1258
01:13:13,340 --> 01:13:14,903
why it didn't burn.
1259
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:19,318
Because look over here.
1260
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,579
You can see right over here,
1261
01:13:21,581 --> 01:13:22,881
that the flames continued,
1262
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,820
and caused the damage in the burning here,
1263
01:13:27,594 --> 01:13:28,444
to the downspout.
1264
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:34,148
And again, looking at the wall here,
1265
01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:36,263
I'm not seeing any damage at all,
1266
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:39,608
or burn marks on the house.
1267
01:13:39,610 --> 01:13:42,297
I've never come across
anything like this, no.
1268
01:14:59,740 --> 01:15:01,218
My name is Steve,
1269
01:15:01,220 --> 01:15:04,358
and with me is my friend
and colleague, Jamie.
1270
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,378
We've been here countless nights,
1271
01:15:06,380 --> 01:15:08,748
reviewing footage, setting up our gear,
1272
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:11,178
but then it dawned on
us how important it was
1273
01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:13,278
to actually investigate this room.
1274
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,718
The current owner of the home had told us
1275
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,598
that three family members,
1276
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,980
her grandfather, her grandmother,
1277
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:23,848
and most recently, and
tragically, her father,
1278
01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:27,908
passed away right where
Jamie is seated right now.
1279
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:31,778
That's a lot of tragedy for four walls.
1280
01:15:31,780 --> 01:15:33,318
For one room.
1281
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,868
Anyone who may be in this room,
1282
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:40,488
anybody out there, please come
toward the sound of my voice.
1283
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:41,733
Come toward the light.
1284
01:15:48,190 --> 01:15:50,513
Did you happen to pass in this room?
1285
01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:58,853
Have you ever lived in this home?
1286
01:16:05,490 --> 01:16:07,803
Or perhaps worked this farm,
1287
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,213
worked on the land?
1288
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,548
If you're trying to communicate with us,
1289
01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:18,908
and we don't hear you,
1290
01:16:18,910 --> 01:16:22,178
and you're potentially
getting aggravated or upset,
1291
01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:23,398
we apologize.
1292
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,688
We will be reviewing the audio,
1293
01:16:25,690 --> 01:16:27,618
and we will be listening very carefully
1294
01:16:27,620 --> 01:16:29,720
to see if in fact you've tried to respond.
1295
01:16:31,610 --> 01:16:33,868
As I'm sitting here at this desk,
1296
01:16:33,870 --> 01:16:36,980
my eyes keep looking this way.
1297
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,758
I get the chills when I
think about that incident,
1298
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,248
Rebecca's father, living here alone,
1299
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:43,728
scared, seeing apparitions,
1300
01:16:43,730 --> 01:16:45,828
objects moving on their own,
1301
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:47,148
and a whole slough of things
1302
01:16:47,150 --> 01:16:49,518
that would surely terrify anybody,
1303
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,188
especially somebody in this
huge house all by themselves,
1304
01:16:54,190 --> 01:16:55,230
all alone.
1305
01:16:57,790 --> 01:17:00,630
Seeing something so horrifying,
1306
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:06,108
they would actually get their
firearm out of the cabinet
1307
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:10,390
that was once here, and
firing a bullet at whatever
1308
01:17:13,210 --> 01:17:14,203
they had seen.
1309
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,198
I've been doing this for quite some time.
1310
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,358
I've read a lot of stories,
1311
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,358
reviewed a lot of cases,
1312
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,708
and watched a whole lot of investigations,
1313
01:17:27,710 --> 01:17:30,318
and I've never heard of anybody
1314
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,193
being so terrified that they
would actually pull a trigger.
1315
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:37,523
That's upstairs, let's go.
1316
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:42,343
Come on.
1317
01:17:59,982 --> 01:18:01,982
It sounded like walking.
1318
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,350
The chair, the rocking chair.
1319
01:18:09,370 --> 01:18:09,870
Get it!
1320
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:18,338
Who's up here with us?
1321
01:18:18,340 --> 01:18:19,340
My heart's pounding.
1322
01:18:20,494 --> 01:18:22,593
You were trying to get
our attention up here?
1323
01:18:24,535 --> 01:18:26,470
Open that closet.
1324
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:38,578
Who are you?
1325
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:39,413
Luke?
1326
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:50,696
That was incredible.
1327
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,581
Look at this.
1328
01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:16,108
This are all individual impact hits.
1329
01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:18,849
There's got to be a dozen
of them, check the ground.
1330
01:19:18,851 --> 01:19:21,733
There's probably a rock or a
brick or something around here.
1331
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,808
All right, check all your windows.
1332
01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:26,223
Let's check your tires too.
1333
01:19:28,980 --> 01:19:30,588
There's a ton of glass in there.
1334
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:32,863
Watch your hand,
don't get cut on anything.
1335
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,468
The road case.
1336
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:38,398
My God, you guys
left the IR cameras in here.
1337
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,938
There weren't here to
steal obviously, were they?
1338
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:41,928
Just here to damage it.
1339
01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:44,457
Nobody would go through a
windshield to steal, anyway.
1340
01:19:44,459 --> 01:19:45,898
I can't even believe this.
1341
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:47,708
I can believe it, between the break-in,
1342
01:19:47,710 --> 01:19:49,468
between all the other
things we're experiencing,
1343
01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:51,808
seeing people coming up
to the house at night.
1344
01:19:51,810 --> 01:19:53,398
All these weird cars
pulling in and pulling out
1345
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,268
of the driveway.
1346
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:56,488
It's not just the paranormal
that we have to worry about.
1347
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:58,318
So from now on, all you guys,
1348
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,458
nobody goes outside alone, okay?
1349
01:20:00,460 --> 01:20:01,758
At all.
1350
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,928
I'm sick of this house.
1351
01:20:03,930 --> 01:20:05,130
Check your other tire.
1352
01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:09,728
All we've tried to
do is help this family.
1353
01:20:09,730 --> 01:20:12,268
And with all the internal
fighting they have going on,
1354
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:14,158
it makes you wonder who did this.
1355
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,758
Somebody's trying to
impede this investigation.
1356
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,888
Somebody's trying to stop
us from finishing this job.
1357
01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:21,758
Either they're trying to cover something,
1358
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,938
or they don't want us
to uncover something.
1359
01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:24,773
Come on.
1360
01:20:34,391 --> 01:20:36,880
Don't worry about it, whatever it costs,
1361
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:36,940
we'll replace it.
1362
01:20:57,170 --> 01:20:59,180
One thing that was bugging me was
1363
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,303
the whole door break-in.
1364
01:21:02,290 --> 01:21:04,328
It didn't really dawn on me
1365
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:05,768
till thinking to myself one day,
1366
01:21:05,770 --> 01:21:09,180
why would this door be booted in,
1367
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,148
but none of this expensive equipment
1368
01:21:11,150 --> 01:21:13,808
or anything in this house be disturbed?
1369
01:21:13,810 --> 01:21:15,868
And none of your equipment was taken?
1370
01:21:15,870 --> 01:21:19,580
None of it was touched,
vandalized, stolen, nothing.
1371
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:20,438
The only rational explanation
1372
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:22,818
is there's something
else that person wanted,
1373
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:23,651
inside the house.
1374
01:21:23,653 --> 01:21:26,228
Did they break in to take
something from the house,
1375
01:21:26,230 --> 01:21:27,698
that we weren't aware is here?
1376
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:29,588
The other thing that
really had us concerned is,
1377
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:31,818
did they break in to put
something in the house?
1378
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:34,548
I mean have you guys
searched the house at all?
1379
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:36,568
Initially, frantically, just making sure
1380
01:21:36,570 --> 01:21:39,118
that our gear and our cameras
were okay and everything,
1381
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,248
but nothing really
beyond the scope of that.
1382
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:44,349
So like, main floors,
top floor and everything
1383
01:21:44,351 --> 01:21:45,182
you were searching?
1384
01:21:45,184 --> 01:21:46,758
What about the basement?
1385
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,128
We didn't really search the basement,
1386
01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:50,658
because at the time we
had no gear down there.
1387
01:21:50,660 --> 01:21:53,448
Primarily, we had it
all in the common area.
1388
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:54,453
The basement,
1389
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,353
probably is a good spot to look.
1390
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,888
Okay, Steve we were talking about
1391
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:20,380
the shakedown of the jail cell.
1392
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,148
What we normally do, is
start from one corner,
1393
01:22:24,150 --> 01:22:26,698
and then work our way 360 degrees around.
1394
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,500
Who knows what we're
gonna get our hands on so,
1395
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,953
we'll put these on, and
I'll start from here.
1396
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,558
For example, from right here.
1397
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,108
Is it hollow, is it not?
1398
01:22:38,110 --> 01:22:39,568
So there's nothing behind here,
1399
01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:40,578
it sounds pretty solid.
1400
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,171
There's nothing out of place.
1401
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:43,643
I go up and down the wall.
1402
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,588
This one feels loose.
1403
01:22:52,590 --> 01:22:55,148
Okay, can we move this?
1404
01:22:55,150 --> 01:22:56,200
Yeah, sure.
1405
01:22:59,113 --> 01:23:01,163
I'm gonna put these bottles right here.
1406
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:06,163
One, two, three.
1407
01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:11,443
Oh yeah.
1408
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,868
You got a light there.
1409
01:23:13,870 --> 01:23:14,720
Oh wow.
1410
01:23:18,343 --> 01:23:20,958
I want to go Richter this first,
1411
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,848
but like, if you overlook anything,
1412
01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:24,788
you're gonna miss something,
1413
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:27,338
so I'm gonna start with this,
1414
01:23:27,340 --> 01:23:29,808
because if I go to this,
I'm gonna forget about this.
1415
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:32,863
So that's why we do the 360 degrees so.
1416
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:46,270
What in the?
1417
01:23:47,893 --> 01:23:51,633
It's like a drawer, but
there's nothing in there.
1418
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,898
It's just all dust and wood.
1419
01:23:54,900 --> 01:23:56,358
That's an intentional drawer,
1420
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:57,623
like a hiding spot.
1421
01:24:02,613 --> 01:24:04,768
Okay Steve, take that wall
1422
01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:06,808
and just start from the bottom.
1423
01:24:06,810 --> 01:24:09,358
Go up and down it, just all around,
1424
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,980
check cracks and crevasses.
1425
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:12,518
So we just split walls?
1426
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,358
Yeah, we just split walls
and then just meet around like,
1427
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,118
like let's say you get
done faster than me,
1428
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,758
you'd be over there, and
I'd meet you right there.
1429
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,930
So I guess we'll keep, I'm
gonna start right here.
1430
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,191
So like down here,
1431
01:24:45,193 --> 01:24:46,918
we've got like a little vent or something,
1432
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,583
maybe for a wood stove.
1433
01:24:51,330 --> 01:24:53,338
That'd be another great
place to hide something.
1434
01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:54,628
I'm just trying to figure out,
1435
01:24:54,630 --> 01:24:57,468
if we got a tool to open it,
1436
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:59,847
like a screwdriver, do we
have a screwdriver down here?
1437
01:24:59,849 --> 01:25:00,928
We've got a knife over here.
1438
01:25:00,930 --> 01:25:02,950
Yeah, I want to this one.
1439
01:25:21,190 --> 01:25:23,703
That's obviously full of dust and dirt.
1440
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:33,820
Hey, I literally just opened this.
1441
01:25:33,822 --> 01:25:35,168
What in the world, looks
like a trading card.
1442
01:25:35,170 --> 01:25:36,630
What is that?
1443
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:40,968
It's definitely a Tarot card,
1444
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:42,428
but that's a different language.
1445
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:44,728
That thing looks like
it's been closed for,
1446
01:25:44,730 --> 01:25:47,248
I had to beat it with
the back of this knife.
1447
01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:48,422
To even get it open.
1448
01:25:48,424 --> 01:25:50,268
To get it open, so it's been
1449
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:53,830
down for quite some
time, years I would say.
1450
01:25:59,370 --> 01:26:00,698
Where to even start.
1451
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:01,728
Let's start from the bottom,
1452
01:26:01,730 --> 01:26:05,228
let's go up and down, up and down,
1453
01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:07,378
and check all the obvious spots.
1454
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:08,320
I'm gonna go
1455
01:26:09,370 --> 01:26:10,203
under here.
1456
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,358
Oh, it's frickin' dusty
down here, that's for sure.
1457
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,333
Oh, hey, Steve?
1458
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:36,333
Oh right down here, what is this?
1459
01:26:45,850 --> 01:26:49,430
Can we go in another room,
where it's better crowded?
1460
01:27:00,860 --> 01:27:01,693
Okay,
1461
01:27:04,592 --> 01:27:05,658
I'm just gonna go on record and say
1462
01:27:05,660 --> 01:27:08,668
I have nothing to do with
this, I'm just searching.
1463
01:27:08,670 --> 01:27:11,443
So, I don't know what this is.
1464
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:16,261
The sacrament.
1465
01:27:16,263 --> 01:27:17,943
Look how old this book is.
1466
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:20,830
Muerte.
1467
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:24,403
Muerte.
1468
01:27:28,939 --> 01:27:29,772
Muerte.
1469
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,298
All right, we're gonna skip over that.
1470
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:42,798
I say we set that there,
just leave it there,
1471
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,923
and we'll I guess deal with it later.
1472
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:13,488
We all know you're there,
1473
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:16,868
we're all very aware that
you're here in this house.
1474
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:19,680
We need some questions answered.
1475
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:21,488
Number one, who are you?
1476
01:28:21,490 --> 01:28:24,898
Number two, we want to
know why you're here.
1477
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:27,378
We want to know if you're stuck here,
1478
01:28:27,380 --> 01:28:30,158
if there's something
that won't let you leave.
1479
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,863
Or do you want to be here?
1480
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:39,548
This house is beautiful.
1481
01:28:39,550 --> 01:28:40,733
Is it yours?
1482
01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:50,313
I am down here tonight,
1483
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:52,483
alone,
1484
01:28:55,540 --> 01:28:57,640
with the sole purpose
1485
01:28:59,340 --> 01:29:00,550
of communicating
1486
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:04,208
with whatever
1487
01:29:04,210 --> 01:29:06,903
inhabits this home,
1488
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:09,943
this portion of the home.
1489
01:29:10,787 --> 01:29:12,668
I just saw you in the closet.
1490
01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:13,503
I'm going up.
1491
01:29:16,140 --> 01:29:17,930
I just saw it.
1492
01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:36,408
I just saw you in here.
1493
01:29:36,410 --> 01:29:38,668
Why this room, why this closet?
1494
01:29:38,670 --> 01:29:40,708
Is this your room?
1495
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:42,110
What is your name?
1496
01:29:47,418 --> 01:29:49,418
Do you even have a name?
1497
01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:56,803
How long have you been down here?
1498
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,403
And why do you stay here?
1499
01:30:06,190 --> 01:30:08,193
How long have you been down here?
1500
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:15,553
How long have you been down here?
1501
01:30:23,170 --> 01:30:25,675
Are you the reason that
it's this cold in this room?
1502
01:30:25,677 --> 01:30:28,823
Oh, what was that, downstairs?
1503
01:30:31,710 --> 01:30:33,510
You want me to go back downstairs.
1504
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,833
Please, if you are a person,
1505
01:30:57,700 --> 01:30:58,530
a soul,
1506
01:30:59,890 --> 01:31:01,938
something with a name,
1507
01:31:01,940 --> 01:31:03,763
someone with an identity,
1508
01:31:04,830 --> 01:31:08,763
you must tell me who you are,
1509
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,713
and if you are not,
1510
01:31:12,690 --> 01:31:14,973
and you truly are an inhuman,
1511
01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:19,733
how did you come to be in this home?
1512
01:31:21,420 --> 01:31:22,543
Who conjured you?
1513
01:31:38,460 --> 01:31:40,310
Why did you draw us back down here?
1514
01:31:42,449 --> 01:31:43,713
But I saw you up there,
1515
01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:46,333
I came up to talk to you,
1516
01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:51,858
and always, always, once we
get up there to talk to you,
1517
01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:53,268
back down here we go.
1518
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:54,708
We know there were dark arts
1519
01:31:54,710 --> 01:31:56,173
practiced in this home,
1520
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:58,998
and we don't know what kind,
1521
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,403
or to what caliber.
1522
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:04,858
You do not have the authority
1523
01:32:04,860 --> 01:32:09,860
to inhabit or dwell on this farm,
1524
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,393
or in this house.
1525
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:25,963
How many of you are in this house?
1526
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:31,458
Can you knock on the wall
1527
01:32:31,460 --> 01:32:33,403
for how many people are in this house?
1528
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:37,403
Besides the four of us
that are walking down here.
1529
01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:45,173
Can you just give me a number?
1530
01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:48,253
Or is it too many to knock?
1531
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,910
What are you?
1532
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:10,300
State your name.
1533
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:18,893
Who brought you into this home?
1534
01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:29,130
You have no choice but
to reveal what you are?
1535
01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:53,763
Who are you?
1536
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,783
What do you want with me, and my team?
1537
01:35:00,780 --> 01:35:02,418
So Steve we wanted to brief you
1538
01:35:02,420 --> 01:35:03,828
on a lot of different things,
1539
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:05,368
not only just the paranormal activity
1540
01:35:05,370 --> 01:35:08,138
that we've already
encountered here as a team,
1541
01:35:08,140 --> 01:35:10,208
but also the officers have had
1542
01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:11,718
many experiences on their own,
1543
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,128
so why don't you fill him
in on the urban legends,
1544
01:35:14,130 --> 01:35:15,578
and whatnot of this home?
1545
01:35:15,580 --> 01:35:18,858
Right, so I grew up in this town.
1546
01:35:18,860 --> 01:35:20,848
It's a small town in Michigan,
1547
01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:21,828
and this is one of those places
1548
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:23,718
that always had a lot of
lore that surrounded it.
1549
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,280
A lot of the people that
I went to school with,
1550
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:27,648
had always talked about
this place being rumored
1551
01:35:27,650 --> 01:35:29,288
as being haunted and things like that.
1552
01:35:29,290 --> 01:35:31,568
A lot of the people that
I knew had come out here,
1553
01:35:31,570 --> 01:35:33,438
and they claimed that
they had experiences.
1554
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:35,668
In high school, there
was a guy in my grade.
1555
01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:36,558
We were in a class,
1556
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,728
and he brought in this really
old black and white photo,
1557
01:35:38,730 --> 01:35:41,684
and being in here now, I recognize
it as being in that room,
1558
01:35:41,686 --> 01:35:44,168
but it was of somebody laying in a casket.
1559
01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:46,498
And then that kind of
just perpetuated the lore,
1560
01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:48,588
and the urban legend, and the
myth, surrounding that place.
1561
01:35:48,590 --> 01:35:52,498
When you have this many instances
of reoccurring phenomena,
1562
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:53,868
or claims of such,
1563
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:56,980
by this many people over
this period of time,
1564
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,408
it certainly lends credibility,
or at least evidence,
1565
01:35:58,410 --> 01:35:59,481
to the fact that by definition,
1566
01:35:59,483 --> 01:36:01,188
that something paranormal is happening.
1567
01:36:01,190 --> 01:36:02,268
Did you ever see any,
1568
01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:04,845
or recognize any patterns in the reports,
1569
01:36:04,847 --> 01:36:06,848
that made you sort of go, okay it's cool
1570
01:36:06,850 --> 01:36:08,588
that these people are saying this,
1571
01:36:08,590 --> 01:36:10,938
or anything that made you go
this could have credibility,
1572
01:36:10,940 --> 01:36:12,788
because of these patterns I'm recognizing,
1573
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:13,621
that sort of thing?
1574
01:36:13,623 --> 01:36:14,738
That's a really good question,
1575
01:36:14,740 --> 01:36:17,798
and yeah, the thing is
that there was always
1576
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,248
the fabled rumors and lore about
1577
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:21,418
people getting chased in the yard,
1578
01:36:21,420 --> 01:36:23,898
feeling that there's something
there and there wasn't.
1579
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:25,740
People would drive by and claim
1580
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:26,558
that they would see lights
1581
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,468
going from window to window at night.
1582
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:30,398
I mean it's super-cool that
1583
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,558
three gentlemen with clearly level heads,
1584
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:37,618
to even look at this as
something potentially
1585
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:38,738
paranormal.
1586
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:42,280
By definition, there's
something certainly abnormal,
1587
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:45,398
if not paranormal, by
the literal definition.
1588
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:50,398
Saying that, this area in particular,
1589
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,388
we rarely get calls
anywhere near this area.
1590
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:56,648
In certain jurisdictions,
police departments,
1591
01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:59,748
you have certain hotspots,
regulars, whatnot.
1592
01:36:59,750 --> 01:37:02,998
And ever since they started
doing their investigation here,
1593
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,628
we've had three, four, maybe five,
1594
01:37:05,630 --> 01:37:08,798
different instances where
something happened here,
1595
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,798
where police or fire had to respond.
1596
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,658
So they had asked me to
come down just for my opinion
1597
01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:15,758
on a fire that had occurred here.
1598
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,698
It looked pretty obvious and apparent
1599
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:20,198
that a gutter came down on a power line,
1600
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:24,680
and basically started a
brush fire around the house.
1601
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:27,468
You could literally see to
where it was like a ring,
1602
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:29,388
that went around the house,
1603
01:37:29,390 --> 01:37:31,828
and the strange part about it too,
1604
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:33,288
is that even at the places
1605
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:34,445
where it was closest to the house,
1606
01:37:34,447 --> 01:37:37,218
there was like no damage
to the house whatsoever.
1607
01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:38,958
This doesn't happen on our watch.
1608
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,358
We've never had an incidence
1609
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,108
where we had to call the
police for any reason,
1610
01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:44,598
or had any property damage,
1611
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,418
or had anything like that happen.
1612
01:37:46,420 --> 01:37:49,398
Since we've been here,
it's been numerous times.
1613
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:50,231
Do you think maybe
you're stirring stuff up,
1614
01:37:50,233 --> 01:37:51,818
or do you think maybe you're just
1615
01:37:51,820 --> 01:37:53,658
drawing more attention to the house?
1616
01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:56,618
If I had to kind of theorize about that,
1617
01:37:56,620 --> 01:37:58,498
I would say that it seems to me that
1618
01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:02,238
when Rebecca and her family
moved out of this house,
1619
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,218
or should I say, fled from this house,
1620
01:38:04,220 --> 01:38:08,508
I feel that whatever's here
is not happy with that.
1621
01:38:08,510 --> 01:38:10,498
And I know it sounds very strange,
1622
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:12,608
but I do feel that whatever's here
1623
01:38:12,610 --> 01:38:15,278
has some kind of tie to Rebecca.
1624
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:16,845
We were interviewing Rebecca
when we first came here,
1625
01:38:16,847 --> 01:38:19,348
that's kind of what we do is
conduct the interviews first,
1626
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:21,478
gather as much information as we can.
1627
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:23,548
And we were interviewing
her in the dining room,
1628
01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:24,951
and as you know this house is strange
1629
01:38:24,953 --> 01:38:28,208
in the sense that the main
floor, which is where we are now,
1630
01:38:28,210 --> 01:38:30,398
is about 15 steps up.
1631
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,368
So while she's speaking to us,
1632
01:38:32,370 --> 01:38:33,528
she had a phone call come in,
1633
01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:35,768
and you know, sometimes you
have to stop an interview.
1634
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:37,538
It was one of her children,
1635
01:38:37,540 --> 01:38:38,768
and we're sitting there waiting,
1636
01:38:38,770 --> 01:38:40,800
and while this is happening,
1637
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:43,163
you hear two distinct
breaths, huge breaths,
1638
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,128
and then, knock knock knock,
1639
01:38:47,130 --> 01:38:49,318
right next to her ear on the window.
1640
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,300
She looks like this,
1641
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:53,718
goes back to her phone call,
1642
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,408
and afterward we said, yeah,
1643
01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:56,928
that was something wasn't it, that knock?
1644
01:38:56,930 --> 01:38:57,768
That was crazy.
1645
01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:59,188
She said, what knock?
1646
01:38:59,190 --> 01:39:00,210
She didn't hear it?
1647
01:39:00,230 --> 01:39:01,438
And we said, well the
knock on the window,
1648
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,658
remember, a few minutes ago?
1649
01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:03,688
Oh, I didn't hear anything.
1650
01:39:03,690 --> 01:39:05,798
So we thought, wow that's strange.
1651
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,698
And then we went back and
looked at the footage,
1652
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:10,688
and you see her talking,
and then you see her,
1653
01:39:10,690 --> 01:39:13,188
suddenly look right at the window,
1654
01:39:13,190 --> 01:39:14,163
and then it knocks.
1655
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,730
All right.
1656
01:39:21,170 --> 01:39:22,913
Well, I'm still at the farm.
1657
01:39:42,380 --> 01:39:44,441
Do you think there's a human spirit here
1658
01:39:44,443 --> 01:39:47,960
that is mad that she's left the house,
1659
01:39:47,980 --> 03:19:35,909
is that what you're saying?
1660
01:39:47,931 --> 01:39:49,238
Like somebody in her family?
1661
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,608
No, I don't think it's a
human spirit only because,
1662
01:39:52,610 --> 01:39:54,338
everybody that is here for too long,
1663
01:39:54,340 --> 01:39:56,608
starts to have issues.
1664
01:39:56,610 --> 01:39:58,898
People, tempers flare for no reason.
1665
01:39:58,900 --> 01:40:00,848
I mean let's be honest,
all of you guys seriously,
1666
01:40:00,850 --> 01:40:02,558
right now, with all of these guys here,
1667
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,218
like right now we feel good,
1668
01:40:04,220 --> 01:40:05,438
all of these people here.
1669
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:07,948
When there's new people
here, more people here,
1670
01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:08,888
things are okay.
1671
01:40:08,890 --> 01:40:12,168
When you get down to three,
two, and of course by yourself,
1672
01:40:12,170 --> 01:40:13,578
it's a whole different planet here.
1673
01:40:13,580 --> 01:40:16,328
That goes back to
where I stand on it is,
1674
01:40:16,330 --> 01:40:19,328
it's not, as a lot of cops tell you,
1675
01:40:19,330 --> 01:40:23,258
it's not what you know,
it's what you can believe.
1676
01:40:23,260 --> 01:40:25,380
And yeah, there's coincidences.
1677
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:26,888
I can tell you, having
gone through this home,
1678
01:40:26,890 --> 01:40:28,458
there's no speaker, there's no magnets,
1679
01:40:28,460 --> 01:40:29,838
there's no trickery, there's no nothing.
1680
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,203
I'm putting my credibility with that,
1681
01:40:32,205 --> 01:40:35,830
this is not fun house mirror effect here.
1682
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:38,338
My name's Steve Gonsalves,
1683
01:40:38,340 --> 01:40:39,758
I'm a paranormal investigator.
1684
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,680
I've been doing it for about 25 years.
1685
01:40:43,700 --> 01:40:44,678
I try to disprove hauntings.
1686
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:47,948
I try to figure out what
could be a normal explanation,
1687
01:40:47,950 --> 01:40:49,368
something happening organically
1688
01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:50,788
or just naturally in the environment.
1689
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:53,280
If I'm not able to disprove these things,
1690
01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:54,858
I start to look at the potential
1691
01:40:54,860 --> 01:40:57,380
that it could be something paranormal.
1692
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,388
Listening to everybody's
stories, the police officers,
1693
01:41:00,390 --> 01:41:02,668
and the other investigators that are here,
1694
01:41:02,670 --> 01:41:05,258
there's no doubt in my
mind that they do believe
1695
01:41:05,260 --> 01:41:06,238
that something is happening here.
1696
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,678
I had the police officer
look right at me and say,
1697
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:09,638
I didn't believe in this stuff,
1698
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,818
but I heard voices and dragging
and footsteps up the stairs,
1699
01:41:13,820 --> 01:41:15,578
and I went and checked it
out and there's nobody there,
1700
01:41:15,580 --> 01:41:17,288
I don't know how to explain that.
1701
01:41:17,290 --> 01:41:18,418
They're not making things up.
1702
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:19,988
They don't care if it's
haunted, not haunted,
1703
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:21,678
they don't care at all,
1704
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,258
they just know that there
are things happening here
1705
01:41:24,260 --> 01:41:25,598
that can't be explained.
1706
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,598
Does that mean it's a ghost?
1707
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,264
Not sure. Does that mean it's a demon?
1708
01:41:29,266 --> 01:41:32,540
I don't think so, but that's
why we're investigating.
1709
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,338
If we already knew, we
wouldn't have to investigate.
1710
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:35,578
The answers would just be there,
1711
01:41:35,580 --> 01:41:36,848
so that's the fun.
1712
01:41:36,850 --> 01:41:38,988
Being an investigator is
figuring these things out.
1713
01:41:38,990 --> 01:41:39,821
Whether it's a ghost or not,
1714
01:41:39,823 --> 01:41:41,488
you just want to get to the truth,
1715
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:45,230
and how you get there is
through an investigation.
1716
01:41:51,610 --> 01:41:53,258
Since you've been here investigating,
1717
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:55,128
are there any places in the house
1718
01:41:55,130 --> 01:41:58,650
that you sort of feel that
there might be something else,
1719
01:41:58,670 --> 01:42:00,723
where you just kind of get that feeling?
1720
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,808
We kind of get that
feeling in general overall,
1721
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:06,238
but when we're in this office,
1722
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,328
and we're setting up, and we're doing
1723
01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:10,218
the command center type of
things, getting our gear packed,
1724
01:42:10,220 --> 01:42:13,528
over here we do hear what
sounds like footsteps.
1725
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:15,800
And more than once when people
1726
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:17,680
were sitting here on this couch,
1727
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:20,698
they felt as if something kind
of nudged it or pushed it,
1728
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:21,998
and there's nobody here.
1729
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,228
Okay.
1730
01:42:23,230 --> 01:42:25,358
So, and then of course right there
1731
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,280
is where the bullet was fired
1732
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:29,618
by Rebecca's father when
he thought, you know.
1733
01:42:29,620 --> 01:42:30,868
And that to me is incredible.
1734
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:33,188
I still think about that constantly,
1735
01:42:33,190 --> 01:42:35,778
who would fire a gun in their house,
1736
01:42:35,780 --> 01:42:38,958
and really believe that
something is attacking them
1737
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,138
enough to discharge a firearm.
1738
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:43,948
I mean, he was 100% sure
1739
01:42:43,950 --> 01:42:45,528
that there was an intruder in his house?
1740
01:42:45,530 --> 01:42:46,708
Absolutely.
1741
01:42:46,710 --> 01:42:48,800
There was no doubt in his mind
1742
01:42:48,100 --> 01:42:49,268
that somebody was in his house,
1743
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:50,268
and he didn't want them there?
1744
01:42:50,270 --> 01:42:51,258
He was ready to kill.
1745
01:42:51,260 --> 01:42:52,798
Exactly, exactly,
1746
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:53,998
he was shooting his gun off.
1747
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,678
When he realized there was no one there,
1748
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:57,108
he must have been like, what am I doing?
1749
01:42:57,110 --> 01:42:58,738
Like I'm shooting up my house.
1750
01:42:58,740 --> 01:43:00,998
If it wasn't a person that
he thought he was seeing,
1751
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,198
what the heck?
1752
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:03,138
What was it?
1753
01:43:03,140 --> 01:43:05,978
Do you think that, what if
it wasn't a person he saw,
1754
01:43:05,980 --> 01:43:07,688
what if it was?
1755
01:43:07,690 --> 01:43:08,521
Something else.
1756
01:43:08,523 --> 01:43:09,588
Something else?
1757
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:12,218
A black mass, or I don't
ever want to say, demon,
1758
01:43:12,220 --> 01:43:15,893
but something that he
couldn't wrap his head around.
1759
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,428
Enough to make him shoot.
1760
01:43:18,430 --> 01:43:20,458
How does it end up in a place like this?
1761
01:43:20,460 --> 01:43:23,128
What brings an inhuman to a home?
1762
01:43:23,130 --> 01:43:26,183
Well, if you look at the
lore behind such things,
1763
01:43:28,508 --> 01:43:32,218
it doesn't like us humans,
it doesn't want us on Earth,
1764
01:43:32,220 --> 01:43:35,318
and it's going to go after people
1765
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,210
who are already a little bit
1766
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:40,428
traumatized in their brain.
1767
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:41,518
Exactly, weakened.
1768
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,448
It's just like, if you're an animal,
1769
01:43:43,450 --> 01:43:45,595
you're gonna go after the
limping one in the back,
1770
01:43:45,597 --> 01:43:46,748
that's the easy kill,
1771
01:43:46,750 --> 01:43:48,348
and you know you're gonna
get to eat that day,
1772
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:49,181
that sort of thing.
1773
01:43:49,183 --> 01:43:51,658
Supposedly if you believe in all of that,
1774
01:43:51,660 --> 01:43:53,798
they're everywhere,
they're all over the place.
1775
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:55,318
They can't always get to us,
1776
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:56,708
but they're always trying to,
1777
01:43:56,710 --> 01:44:01,638
and perhaps this one
made it, I don't know.
1778
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,128
Rebecca's sister said
he was begging at the end
1779
01:44:04,130 --> 01:44:07,563
for people to move in with
him, any of the siblings.
1780
01:44:09,370 --> 01:44:10,350
What the F...?
1781
01:44:17,290 --> 01:44:18,123
That's it.
1782
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:24,598
Rebecca's sister said he
was begging at the end,
1783
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,942
for people to move in with
him, any of the siblings.
1784
01:44:32,820 --> 01:44:34,908
They said that he was basically,
1785
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:37,398
Rebecca's sister said he
was begging at the end,
1786
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,757
for people to move in with
him, any of the siblings.
1787
01:44:50,914 --> 01:44:51,747
That's it.
1788
01:44:55,891 --> 01:44:56,724
That's it.
1789
01:45:01,387 --> 01:45:02,220
That's it.
1790
01:45:03,950 --> 01:45:07,278
There was a
loud, that was a loud bang,
1791
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,728
followed by a little
bit of a dragging sound.
1792
01:45:10,730 --> 01:45:11,578
I heard it, we all heard it,
1793
01:45:11,580 --> 01:45:13,748
I mean these guys almost shit their pants.
1794
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:14,603
No offense.
1795
01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:16,331
And a voice.
1796
01:45:16,333 --> 01:45:19,480
And a voice, I didn't hear
a voice, but I'd like to.
1797
01:45:19,482 --> 01:45:20,315
Hello?
1798
01:45:33,890 --> 01:45:35,478
Hello?
1799
01:45:35,480 --> 01:45:36,693
My name's Steve.
1800
01:45:38,890 --> 01:45:40,640
We think we just heard you up here.
1801
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:03,843
Camera.
1802
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:06,488
Why did it die?
1803
01:46:06,490 --> 01:46:07,883
Who's in here with us?
1804
01:46:12,260 --> 01:46:13,283
Is this your house?
1805
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:16,703
Are we in your house?
1806
01:46:25,688 --> 01:46:27,548
That was crazy, that was loud.
1807
01:46:27,550 --> 01:46:28,468
It was very loud,
1808
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:30,178
but that's what we keep hearing.
1809
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:32,638
It's either knocks in threes,
1810
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:34,223
or big bangs.
1811
01:46:39,130 --> 01:46:41,568
This is the spot where Luke took his life.
1812
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:43,178
He was standing right here,
1813
01:46:43,180 --> 01:46:45,830
and he killed himself with a rifle.
1814
01:46:47,450 --> 01:46:49,443
And this is where the bullet lodged.
1815
01:46:50,670 --> 01:46:51,945
Oh my gosh, okay.
1816
01:46:51,947 --> 01:46:55,258
And his body was found right here.
1817
01:46:55,260 --> 01:46:57,558
Rebecca's dad was traumatized by this,
1818
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:58,948
because he walked in the house,
1819
01:46:58,950 --> 01:47:00,138
right as he pulled the trigger,
1820
01:47:00,140 --> 01:47:01,823
and as a child.
1821
01:47:02,873 --> 01:47:03,956
Oh, so sad.
1822
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:06,353
Luke,
1823
01:47:08,728 --> 01:47:10,378
we're really trying to figure out
1824
01:47:11,420 --> 01:47:13,623
who is in this house, and why.
1825
01:47:16,910 --> 01:47:19,778
And if it's not Luke,
1826
01:47:19,780 --> 01:47:20,613
who is it?
1827
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:24,703
Who is in here?
1828
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,823
Much colder in this room.
1829
01:47:44,330 --> 01:47:45,280
What was that?
1830
01:47:46,343 --> 01:47:49,858
There's not even something knocked over.
1831
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:51,408
No, and that's the thing.
1832
01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:54,188
Every time we hear the
bangs or the crashes,
1833
01:47:54,190 --> 01:47:55,210
for months we'd come up here
1834
01:47:55,230 --> 01:47:56,718
and really look around everywhere,
1835
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,418
because we'd be certain that
we would find something,
1836
01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:01,881
and there's nothing.
1837
01:48:01,883 --> 01:48:03,338
I gotta be honest with you,
1838
01:48:03,340 --> 01:48:04,788
my brain would always just say,
1839
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:08,288
the house is settling,
it's a pop, it's a creak,
1840
01:48:08,290 --> 01:48:09,788
it's that time of night where the wood
1841
01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:12,188
is expanding or contracting but,
1842
01:48:12,190 --> 01:48:14,888
there's no mistaking
that that was a smash.
1843
01:48:14,890 --> 01:48:16,790
Can anybody tell me what time it is?
1844
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:18,933
Three o'clock.
1845
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,288
I mean you're right, come on.
1846
01:48:23,290 --> 01:48:24,123
How would I?
1847
01:48:25,941 --> 01:48:28,418
And we just lost another camera.
1848
01:48:28,420 --> 01:48:29,808
Right at three a.m.
1849
01:48:29,810 --> 01:48:31,133
Another camera dies.
1850
01:48:33,970 --> 01:48:37,723
This house is void of
anything that's good.
1851
01:48:38,830 --> 01:48:40,308
That's what it does.
1852
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:42,208
And I hate to sound drastic, but,
1853
01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:44,110
when you've been here for four months.
1854
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:50,763
Yeah, it's a voice.
1855
01:48:51,955 --> 01:48:53,298
You know, and I hate to sound drastic,
1856
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:55,793
but when you've been here for four months.
1857
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:59,670
When you've been here for four months.
1858
01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:02,800
When you've been here for four months.
1859
01:49:04,290 --> 01:49:06,103
Can you tell us who you are?
1860
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:09,000
So that we know who we're talking to?
1861
01:49:30,987 --> 01:49:33,238
I mean it's kind of morbid but,
1862
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:37,603
I might want to read his obituary.
1863
01:49:38,830 --> 01:49:40,378
Right, and strike that emotion?
1864
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:41,213
Maybe.
1865
01:49:42,490 --> 01:49:46,530
It's a pretty nasty
technique, you know but.
1866
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,988
Luke Schaefer, 75, died Saturday afternoon
1867
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:55,438
at his home at North Finn Road.
1868
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:58,828
Coroner John Carpis said Mister Schaefer
1869
01:49:58,830 --> 01:50:02,538
died of a gunshot wound in the head,
1870
01:50:02,540 --> 01:50:05,480
believed to have been self-inflicted.
1871
01:50:05,500 --> 01:50:07,618
He had been ill for several years.
1872
01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:12,388
Born February 20th, 1890,
in Hampton Township,
1873
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:14,138
he was a retired farmer.
1874
01:50:14,140 --> 01:50:17,943
Your funeral was at 10 a.m. on Tuesday.
1875
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,358
So surreal that back then
1876
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:23,878
when they would do these obituaries,
1877
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,118
they would go into that kind of detail,
1878
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,343
self-inflicted gunshot to the head.
1879
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:31,960
That could be grisly back then.
1880
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:35,323
Was he shell-shocked maybe from war?
1881
01:50:36,293 --> 01:50:37,893
There has to be something.
1882
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,468
I think there had to have
been something that happened,
1883
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:43,688
you know all of it, just
kind of culminating together,
1884
01:50:43,690 --> 01:50:45,678
I think when he came back.
1885
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,180
It seems like he just gave up.
1886
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:48,921
Just called it.
1887
01:50:48,923 --> 01:50:49,756
Right.
1888
01:50:51,470 --> 01:50:55,193
Luke, after you came back from the war,
1889
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:58,358
did you just spend time in your farm,
1890
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:02,163
did you kind of just distance
yourself from everybody?
1891
01:51:11,550 --> 01:51:12,573
Who else is in here?
1892
01:51:19,780 --> 01:51:22,730
If you're not Luke, can you let us know?
1893
01:51:40,850 --> 01:51:44,183
I mean that...
1894
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:46,111
Was that you?
1895
01:51:46,113 --> 01:51:46,944
No.
1896
01:51:46,946 --> 01:51:47,777
Fuck no, dude.
1897
01:51:47,779 --> 01:51:48,788
Are you sure?
1898
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:49,623
I'm positive.
1899
01:51:51,775 --> 01:51:53,327
That came from right here.
1900
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,198
What were we saying,
what was it we were saying?
1901
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,980
Steve is there any
way that you could have
1902
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:22,278
knocked into something?
1903
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:24,398
Sounded like it was on the wall,
1904
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:25,728
right in my ear.
1905
01:52:25,730 --> 01:52:27,248
It sounded like knocking.
1906
01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:29,458
It sounded like somebody,
1907
01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:30,941
if there was, but there wasn't,
1908
01:52:30,943 --> 01:52:33,718
like an electrical cord that
like hit against the wall,
1909
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:34,553
or something.
1910
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:38,328
What it sounded like to me was,
1911
01:52:38,330 --> 01:52:40,345
something knocked on this,
1912
01:52:40,347 --> 01:52:44,143
and that's why I looked right
away, you know, at this door.
1913
01:52:44,980 --> 01:52:46,930
This is the kind of stuff that it does.
1914
01:52:51,473 --> 01:52:53,140
Can you hear this?
1915
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:58,803
Can you make a sound similar to that?
1916
01:53:01,265 --> 01:53:02,815
Can you make a noise like this?
1917
01:53:07,626 --> 01:53:08,459
Dude.
1918
01:53:10,671 --> 01:53:11,504
Dude.
1919
01:53:14,855 --> 01:53:15,688
Dude.
1920
01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:21,498
So we were investigating down here,
1921
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:23,148
doing some call and response.
1922
01:53:23,150 --> 01:53:26,868
All of a sudden heard a huge
slamming, banging sound,
1923
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:28,728
crashing sound coming from upstairs.
1924
01:53:28,730 --> 01:53:30,828
It was startling because it was very loud,
1925
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:33,858
to the point where I
literally would have thought
1926
01:53:33,860 --> 01:53:35,800
somebody was upstairs,
1927
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:37,628
if everybody wasn't standing
right in front of me.
1928
01:53:37,630 --> 01:53:41,338
Went upstairs and right
away started hearing voices,
1929
01:53:41,340 --> 01:53:43,728
walking up the stairs, footsteps,
1930
01:53:43,730 --> 01:53:46,438
coming from down here
while we were upstairs,
1931
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,478
and this is all within an hour, mind you,
1932
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:49,888
which doesn't happen very often.
1933
01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:51,268
We would be on a case for weeks
1934
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:53,480
to get this amount of activity,
1935
01:53:53,500 --> 01:53:55,580
and this is happening in just a few hours.
1936
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,580
I asked for it to repeat
the sounds I was making,
1937
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:58,948
I knocked on the wall.
1938
01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:00,728
If you can hear this sound,
1939
01:54:00,730 --> 01:54:04,938
please make it as well, and I
did three knocks on the wall,
1940
01:54:04,940 --> 01:54:07,928
and instantly those knocks were returned,
1941
01:54:07,930 --> 01:54:10,388
right on the other side of the wall,
1942
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:11,848
and nobody was there.
1943
01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:13,908
I was there watching it. I
don't know what to make of it,
1944
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:17,548
other than there's something
there communicating with us.
1945
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:20,968
I mean honestly that's
my gut feeling of it.
1946
01:54:20,970 --> 01:54:23,768
I don't know for sure what, how, when,
1947
01:54:23,770 --> 01:54:27,288
but all I know is that
things seem to be happening
1948
01:54:27,290 --> 01:54:28,283
all around us.
1949
01:54:34,710 --> 01:54:36,448
What do you think they do
with something like this?
1950
01:54:36,450 --> 01:54:37,611
Do they get rid of it?
1951
01:54:37,613 --> 01:54:39,910
Does it just stay with the property?
1952
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:40,913
You get the clergy involved.
1953
01:54:41,890 --> 01:54:43,838
Yep, and even if you don't believe
1954
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,318
in the religious side of it,
1955
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:48,308
sort of just that, you have
somebody with that authority,
1956
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:50,188
that power, just taking that control,
1957
01:54:50,190 --> 01:54:51,230
could be enough.
1958
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:53,668
But we try systematic removal,
1959
01:54:53,670 --> 01:54:56,258
we try a lot of verbal
escalation, that sort of thing,
1960
01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:58,748
where you start off saying, I
don't like what you're doing,
1961
01:54:58,750 --> 01:55:00,778
this and that, and then by the end of it,
1962
01:55:00,780 --> 01:55:02,118
whether it's a month in or a week in,
1963
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,208
now you're saying get the fuck,
1964
01:55:04,210 --> 01:55:07,528
this is my house, and you force it out.
1965
01:55:07,530 --> 01:55:09,718
We have some degree of
success with that, not much,
1966
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,358
but it has been successful.
1967
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,818
If this was my case, and I came,
1968
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:15,328
I would try what I know how to do,
1969
01:55:15,330 --> 01:55:17,168
and then I would probably
get the clergy involved,
1970
01:55:17,170 --> 01:55:18,818
you know, if I thought it was inhuman.
1971
01:55:18,820 --> 01:55:20,618
I would definitely call John Zaffis,
1972
01:55:20,620 --> 01:55:22,888
I would call Adam Blai, I would
call any one of these guys,
1973
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:27,838
that are very well-versed in
the inhuman type of hauntings,
1974
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:29,842
but if you didn't want to go that route,
1975
01:55:29,844 --> 01:55:32,488
just having the clergy come
in and offer a blessing,
1976
01:55:32,490 --> 01:55:34,513
that sort of thing could help.
1977
01:56:04,558 --> 01:56:05,961
I remember
one thing that you said
1978
01:56:05,963 --> 01:56:08,268
that really stuck out to me was,
1979
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:13,118
there was kind of a devil
face, or a demon-type face,
1980
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,918
etched in the brick, up in the old attic.
1981
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,825
Can you, for the audience here,
1982
01:56:18,827 --> 01:56:20,728
can you explain to me again,
1983
01:56:20,730 --> 01:56:23,498
and why it was covered up, and by whom?
1984
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:26,228
I remember there
being one day that like,
1985
01:56:26,230 --> 01:56:28,808
my and my little brother climbed up there,
1986
01:56:28,810 --> 01:56:33,810
and on the south wall of the attic,
1987
01:56:33,890 --> 01:56:38,128
you could see what looked
like, as they built the house,
1988
01:56:38,130 --> 01:56:39,688
someone had like used their finger,
1989
01:56:39,690 --> 01:56:44,578
and just kind of dabbed the face of,
1990
01:56:44,580 --> 01:56:47,958
what kind of reminded
me of like a devil look.
1991
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,308
It was pretty distinctive
and you could see it,
1992
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:52,998
and then when my stepmom and my dad
1993
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:54,828
were remodeling the house,
1994
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:58,308
my dad went up there, and
actually cemented it in.
1995
01:56:58,310 --> 01:57:01,538
This is why, to me it's so important
1996
01:57:01,540 --> 01:57:02,875
that you guys go up there tonight,
1997
01:57:02,877 --> 01:57:05,718
and take this hammer, take this chisel,
1998
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:06,908
and go up there.
1999
01:57:06,910 --> 01:57:08,658
We gotta get that concrete off,
2000
01:57:08,660 --> 01:57:11,448
and we have to see what's
underneath that concrete.
2001
01:57:11,450 --> 01:57:13,578
It's almost as if they really believe
2002
01:57:13,580 --> 01:57:15,368
that this house is cursed.
2003
01:57:15,370 --> 01:57:17,408
What face is up on that brick?
2004
01:57:17,410 --> 01:57:21,778
Why would somebody, in
1895, building this house,
2005
01:57:21,780 --> 01:57:23,408
take their finger in the brick
2006
01:57:23,410 --> 01:57:26,668
and put a Satanic face, a demon's face.
2007
01:57:26,670 --> 01:57:29,378
When you guys go up there,
be extremely careful.
2008
01:57:29,380 --> 01:57:30,568
We don't know about the structure,
2009
01:57:30,570 --> 01:57:32,268
you guys could come
right through the floor,
2010
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:34,548
and you'll get seriously injured.
2011
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:37,518
I'm gonna head outside,
with the talk of witchcraft,
2012
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,418
from the aunts and cousin of Rebecca,
2013
01:57:40,420 --> 01:57:42,648
that were putting spells on the land
2014
01:57:42,650 --> 01:57:44,818
for prosperous seasons.
2015
01:57:44,820 --> 01:57:45,858
I highly don't believe that.
2016
01:57:45,860 --> 01:57:48,880
It makes you wonder what was
really going on out there.
2017
01:57:48,900 --> 01:57:50,890
Stay in contact, if you guys
need anything, let me know.
2018
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:07,738
I am seeking to make
contact, and communication,
2019
01:58:07,740 --> 01:58:10,558
with whomever, or whatever,
2020
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:14,313
resides on this property, on this land.
2021
01:58:16,740 --> 01:58:19,178
Were you summoned here?
2022
01:58:19,180 --> 01:58:20,730
Conjured?
2023
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,508
I am asking you to come forward,
2024
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:29,728
come toward this light.
2025
01:58:29,730 --> 01:58:30,928
I can't do this.
2026
01:58:30,930 --> 01:58:32,748
I can't have something
evil attached to me,
2027
01:58:32,750 --> 01:58:36,108
and bring it home to my family,
2028
01:58:36,110 --> 01:58:39,308
the people that I love, for
me to bring something home,
2029
01:58:39,310 --> 01:58:40,268
something evil?
2030
01:58:40,270 --> 01:58:42,438
Well, come on Jamie
we've been here for weeks.
2031
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:44,838
We've been investigating this thing
2032
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,288
for hundreds of hours.
2033
01:58:46,290 --> 01:58:48,958
If it wants to attach
itself to any one of us,
2034
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:50,123
it already has.
2035
01:59:02,350 --> 01:59:06,368
This family, the family
that has owned this home
2036
01:59:06,370 --> 01:59:07,873
for over a century,
2037
01:59:08,830 --> 01:59:11,480
is being forced out of here,
2038
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,998
forced off this land that
they worked hard to cultivate,
2039
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,558
to clear, to plow,
2040
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:18,693
to harvest,
2041
01:59:19,980 --> 01:59:22,293
raising children, families,
2042
01:59:23,170 --> 01:59:26,158
all of this, taken from them.
2043
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:31,580
I command you now, to come forward,
2044
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:34,808
and quit hiding out here in the shadows,
2045
01:59:34,810 --> 01:59:36,568
amongst the trees.
2046
01:59:36,570 --> 01:59:38,748
We hear you night after night,
2047
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:41,618
coming to this house, unloading our gear.
2048
01:59:41,620 --> 01:59:43,778
We hear the footsteps,
2049
01:59:43,780 --> 01:59:45,363
we see the shadows.
2050
01:59:47,300 --> 01:59:50,268
What vendetta do you
have with this family?
2051
01:59:50,270 --> 01:59:51,933
With the Schaefer bloodline?
2052
02:00:12,780 --> 02:00:15,364
People told me not to mess with this,
2053
02:00:15,366 --> 02:00:18,195
people that I love, people
that cared about me.
2054
02:00:18,197 --> 02:00:20,608
Dude, we just gotta get through this,
2055
02:00:20,610 --> 02:00:21,928
get through this investigation,
2056
02:00:21,930 --> 02:00:24,143
this will be over soon.
2057
02:00:25,190 --> 02:00:27,390
But we gotta get through it.
2058
02:00:27,392 --> 02:00:28,223
Do you see that?
2059
02:00:28,225 --> 02:00:29,288
Why did the light die?
2060
02:00:29,290 --> 02:00:31,488
We're not supposed to be up here.
2061
02:00:31,490 --> 02:00:34,980
Look here, it's almost
completely uncovered,
2062
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:35,100
and the light dies?
2063
02:00:35,300 --> 02:00:36,960
This doesn't want us up here.
2064
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:38,793
Hello?
2065
02:01:46,730 --> 02:01:47,643
Who's there?
2066
02:01:55,408 --> 02:01:56,241
Oh man.
2067
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:00,810
This is private property.
2068
02:02:03,940 --> 02:02:04,773
Who is here?
2069
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:29,223
Hello?
2070
02:02:31,139 --> 02:02:32,427
Jesus Christ!
2071
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:36,548
Jamie?
2072
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:38,448
Do you need me to take over for you?
2073
02:02:38,450 --> 02:02:40,468
Do you need me to finish that?
2074
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:41,718
If it's gonna do something,
2075
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:43,718
let it do it to me.
2076
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:46,230
Just take the camera, and I'll take over.
2077
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:49,830
Just take that.
2078
02:03:00,590 --> 02:03:02,140
Who the hell are you?
2079
02:03:03,650 --> 02:03:04,597
What are you?
2080
02:03:06,690 --> 02:03:10,680
We know that you're not a human spirit.
2081
02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:12,380
We've known this for a long time.
2082
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,383
What conjured you here,
what brought you here?
2083
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,173
You have no ties with this family,
2084
02:03:21,670 --> 02:03:23,318
with this property.
2085
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:25,558
They put their heart and
their soul into this.
2086
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:27,428
This is theirs.
2087
02:03:27,430 --> 02:03:28,963
This is their right.
2088
02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:32,633
Get the hell out of here.
2089
02:03:33,660 --> 02:03:36,630
Go back to hell, or
wherever you came from.
2090
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:39,933
Do you understand me?
2091
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:44,263
Oh my God.
2092
02:03:46,860 --> 02:03:49,643
Go back to hell, or
wherever you came from.
2093
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:52,730
Do you understand me?
2094
02:03:56,750 --> 02:03:57,583
Oh my God.
2095
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,518
Oh my God, what is this?
2096
02:04:04,520 --> 02:04:05,698
I can't do this.
2097
02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:07,639
This was a mistake.
2098
02:04:07,641 --> 02:04:09,934
Here, I can't, here, take this.
2099
02:04:09,936 --> 02:04:12,103
I have to get out of here.
2100
02:04:28,953 --> 02:04:30,173
It's gonna
be all right, Jamie.
2101
02:04:56,514 --> 02:04:58,258
What is going on?
2102
02:04:58,260 --> 02:05:00,230
What happened to you guys up there?
2103
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:02,708
I don't know.
2104
02:05:02,710 --> 02:05:07,710
We were chiseling away at
the concrete, and it was,
2105
02:05:09,710 --> 02:05:14,301
- there was like this huge face.
- So you guys uncovered it?
2106
02:05:14,303 --> 02:05:17,237
Yeah, it was totally there.
2107
02:05:17,239 --> 02:05:19,688
I couldn't stay up there.
2108
02:05:19,690 --> 02:05:22,348
You weren't there, you didn't see.
2109
02:05:22,350 --> 02:05:23,898
It was evil.
2110
02:05:23,900 --> 02:05:25,517
Adam, you were there, tell him.
2111
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,448
What happens if I bring something home?
2112
02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:31,288
Is something gonna come home with me?
2113
02:05:31,290 --> 02:05:34,388
Listen, there is no
guarantee with stuff like this.
2114
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:38,798
In my opinion, whatever's in
this house, is gonna stay here.
2115
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:39,631
Okay?
2116
02:05:39,633 --> 02:05:42,800
That's my opinion, but
I can't guarantee that.
2117
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,458
All of you guys know,
this is part of the risk,
2118
02:05:44,460 --> 02:05:46,138
when you do stuff like this.
2119
02:05:46,140 --> 02:05:48,708
I don't think it's gonna attach to you.
2120
02:05:48,710 --> 02:05:49,738
Jamie, I don't know.
2121
02:05:49,740 --> 02:05:51,998
Somebody brought it in here, okay?
2122
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,948
Whether it was Rebecca's brother,
2123
02:05:53,950 --> 02:05:55,718
or her cousin, or her aunt,
2124
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:58,558
all the crazy stuff that
happened here, I don't know.
2125
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,378
I don't have the answers,
2126
02:06:00,380 --> 02:06:03,388
but if that thing has been
up there for a hundred years,
2127
02:06:03,390 --> 02:06:05,900
I don't think it's going anywhere.
2128
02:07:12,869 --> 02:07:17,869
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