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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,198 Sometimes we are presented with something horribly familiar. 2 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,760 A copycat, maybe, 3 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,080 or at the least a set of circumstances 4 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,920 that seems to insist 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,911 that we draw certain conclusions. 6 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,680 We must not do that. 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,200 We must remain open to all possibilities. 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,600 This is not Liverpool in 1 993. 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,478 It is Melbourne, here and now. 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Despite all the information gathered so far, 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,200 we do not know what happened to this boy. 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,560 Nicholas Santini has now been missing for three days. 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,760 His parents are hanging onto the hope of finding him. 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,320 The task force are no longer so hopeful. 15 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,553 That is why we have been brought in. 16 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,600 They will continue to search for the boy alive. 17 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,036 But we treat this as murder. 18 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,040 Sarge, we have no body. 19 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,520 We're not even sure if there lS a body. 20 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,120 How are we supposed to approach this? 21 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Senior Sergeant Leigh? 22 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,280 I'd like you all to take a look at this recording 23 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,040 of the media appeal. 24 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Please...he's only four. 25 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,760 If you have Nicholas, 26 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,400 don't hurt him. 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Just leave him somewhere and call the police. 28 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,120 It won't go any further. Please. 29 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,480 It's been three days since Nicholas disappeared 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,640 from the playground near the North River shopping precinct. 31 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,120 Unfortunately, there are no... 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,400 Watch the family, not Superintendant Jarvis. 33 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,920 ..so we have no images of his abduction. 34 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,880 This means we need as much help from the public as we can possibly get. 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,680 We know he was last seen with two older boys, 36 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,720 but so far, descriptions are vague. 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,160 All we have is a blue plaid shirt and a red jacket like this one. 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,960 If you have any information about these two boys or Nicholas himself, 39 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,200 no matter how insignificant it may seem, 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,680 please come forward. 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,880 My son's name is Nicholas Santini. 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,680 He's four years old. 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Just let him go. 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,600 This is why we have been brought in. 45 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Analysts have been going over this footage. 46 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,800 A very high percentage of child killings 47 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,720 are committed by family members or close friends. 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Mr Santini comes across as passive-aggressive. 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,600 Don't be fooled by that term. 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Passive-aggressives are capable of extreme aggression. 51 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,280 So you're saying that we should be looking at him? 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,320 I'm saying that we need to do more than 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,360 just focus on the boys that were seen with Nicholas. 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,040 From the beginning, Mr Santini has presented as hopeful but angry, 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,200 hopeful of finding his son alive, 56 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,320 determined to crucify whoever took him - 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,120 all of which fits a pattern of concealment. 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Or a perfectly reasonable response to the situation. 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,960 Maybe. 60 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,360 But the daughter's attitude - if she is really scared of her dad, 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,040 maybe it's because he's abusive. 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,040 And maybe not just to her. 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,440 We've been asked to re-interview the parents. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Allie and Simon, I want you on this. 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Senior Sergeant Leigh will brief you. 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 The rest of you will go over the task force work to date. 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Look at it again from a Homicide perspective. 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,075 Backgrounds, witnesses, associates - the works. 69 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,680 You really think there's a problem there? Signs are there. 70 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Well, we can't just walk in there and ask the question. 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,880 How do we get them to open up without the dad getting suss? 72 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Split them up? No, no. 73 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,080 We're interested in familial dynamics. 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,840 You see, women frequently validate their partners' violent tendencies 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,680 by refusing to confront them. 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,840 So we leave them together and monitor the responses. 77 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,880 And if you can create a kind of schism 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,160 where the daughter feels like you're an ally - someone she can confide in - 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 the father's behaviour could be very revealing. 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,320 And the mother's too. Yep. 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,073 If something's going on, the woman often knows. 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,840 Have you seen the press? 83 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:31,920 Little Nicky this, Little Nicky that... 84 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,920 My son's name is Nicholas. Nicholas. 85 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,760 I know. They think it sounds cuter or something. 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Well, he was cute. 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,119 Is. IS! For God's sake! 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,280 What do you want from us? We've talked to so many police now. 89 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:46,760 I don't know what we're doing. 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,000 We'd just like to go over the facts again, Mrs Santini. 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Again? 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,200 Yeah, you'll be surprised - you go over it and over it, 93 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,120 little details pop up, things that may have been missed. 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Just take us through it, OK? 95 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,000 We were going shopping. 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,240 We all drove in together. 97 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,760 Nicholas was being a pain. 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,716 He wanted to play. 99 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Is he often difficult? What's that supposed to mean? 100 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,120 We're just wondering why he may have been playing up, that's all. 101 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,120 He doesn't like shopping. Like his dad. 102 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Did you stay together? Not the entire time. 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,040 I had bills and stuff to do, the post office. 104 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,120 Neda did the shopping. We had a lot on our plate. 105 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 So Lily said she'd take him to the playground. 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,600 And watch him. 107 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,000 I only took my eyes off him for a second, 108 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,520 to buy him an ice-cream. 109 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,840 What flavour? Strawberry. 110 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,200 She already told the other police that. It's Nicholas favourite. 111 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,080 OK, so you gave him the ice-cream, and then what? 112 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,160 And I went to pay the man. 113 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,630 And then, when I turned around, Nicholas was gone. 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,400 I looked for him for about half an hour. 115 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,320 We said we'd pick them up at the playground. 116 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,880 When we got there, she was in a panic,crying. 117 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,474 You can read the rest in the papers. 118 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,471 I need another drink. 119 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,040 Dad's angry with you? 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 I'm angry with myself. 121 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,040 It was just a second. 122 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,110 Little kids can be hard to handle. 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,840 Bet Nicholas can be a cheeky little bugger when he wants. 124 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,592 Yeah. 125 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,111 They're looking for a body now, aren't they? 126 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,235 I... I love Nicholas. 127 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,959 He's a great little kid. 128 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,552 I don't...I don't know what I'd do if... 129 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,640 You gonna drink that? 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,920 Or did you just have to get out of there, away from your dad? 131 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,672 He blames me. 132 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Is that all? 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,312 Or is there more to it? 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,400 Hey, tell me - are you sure it was strawberry? 135 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,958 The ice-cream. 136 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,992 What? Why? 137 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,120 Because in his statement, the ice-cream guy said 138 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,840 he thought he saw a little boy like Nicholas with a vanilla ice-cream. 139 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,920 How would he remember that? There were lots of little kids there. 140 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,200 The cone from a melted vanilla ice-cream was found 141 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,680 nearly half a k away near the overpass. 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,400 And that's where they're looking. 143 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,517 But if it was strawberry... 144 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,558 ..then maybe they're wasting their time. 145 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,472 There's more to it, isn't there? 146 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,588 Is that why you're scared of your dad? You haven't told him everything? 147 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,240 I can't. 148 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,071 I can't tell him. 149 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,830 He will kill me. 150 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,071 Are you scared of him or are you scared of what you've done? 151 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,635 I lied. 152 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,112 But...I can't tell him. 153 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,120 I can't. 154 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,080 OK. 155 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,400 OK, it's alright. You can tell me. 156 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,949 You can tell me, then we'll work out what to say to your dad. 157 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,600 She says that she wasn't gone long - she gave him money for an ice-cream 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,080 and told him to play on the swings. 159 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,600 So he bought the ice-cream himself. 160 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,320 Or another kid bought it for him - she doesn't know. 161 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Could've been one of the boys he was seen with. 162 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,080 She said strawberry because that's what she assumed he'd buy. It's his favourite. 163 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Well, this explains the tension in relation to her father. 164 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,920 We were on the wrong track - it's not dysfunction or abuse. 165 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,400 She was hiding something from him. 166 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,840 She was scared because of WHERE she'd gone too. 167 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,319 And where was that? 168 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,520 You wanna leave those alone for a minute? 169 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,880 They're supposed to be in order. Alphabetical or genre? 170 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,880 What? 171 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Tell us about Lily Santini. What about her? 172 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,599 You're her boyfriend, for starters. Yeah. So? 173 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,360 So there's a full-on search for her little brother. 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,600 You're mixed up in the disappearance and you haven't come forward. 175 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,040 Because I don't know anything. 176 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,720 You were with Lily when her brother disappeared. 177 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,280 She came to see me, yeah. 178 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,560 She told police she was up the road at the playground the whole time. 179 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:06,760 Yeah, I know. 180 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,560 You knew that wasn't the case but didn't say anything. 181 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,560 She asked me not to. She was scared she'd get into trouble with her dad. 182 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:13,160 Now she's in trouble with the police. 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Look, she only came over to say g'day for 1 0, 1 5 minutes. 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,320 You stayed here the whole time? I was running the store. 185 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,231 I couldn't go anywhere. She just came for a chat? 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,080 Well, you know. 187 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,600 No, tell us. 188 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,560 Well, we went the pash for a while out the back. 189 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,600 OK, what time was that? You know when. About 4:00. 190 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,400 Hey, Look, she's really upset about Nicholas. 191 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,320 She knows she screwed up, but she couldn't say anything 192 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,800 'cause her dad's a loop. 193 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,520 A loop? Strict. Possessive. 194 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,640 He hates me. He told her she couldn't see me anymore. 195 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,119 He thinks I'm weird. 196 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Romeo Tango 1 to Tango Lima. 197 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,640 Conducting spot searches in grid area Alpha. 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,993 WOMAN ON RADIO: Copy that. 199 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,080 MAN 2: Received, Romeo Tango 2. 200 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Please update as you move through the grid. 201 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,760 We've had dozens of people through in the last couple of days. 202 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,760 Usual mix - some who just wanna help but don't have anything useful. 203 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Same cranks and stickybeaks? 204 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Has that ice-cream van been back since you've been here? 205 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Uh, no. 206 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,080 Those ladies are regulars. 207 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 They were here on the day. Already been interviewed. 208 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Saw nothing. 209 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,760 How is it that nobody can remember 210 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,680 what the two boys who led him away looked like? 211 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,240 Nobody took any notice - just a couple of kids going for a walk. 212 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,080 So he wasn't screaming and yelling. He went willingly. 213 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,920 They bought him an ice-cream. Why wouldn't he? 214 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,600 We're thinking the boys killed him, right? 215 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,640 The instruction is avoid preconceptions. 216 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,560 Still, it's hard to put them aside. 217 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,920 Either way, they think he's dead. That's why Jarvis has pulled you guys in. 218 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,071 You know what I think? I think I would like an ice-cream. 219 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,000 Here, girls. Thanks. 220 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,719 See ya! Have a nice day. 221 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,400 What can I get you? Strawberry, thanks. 222 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,680 And I'll have some information, Mr Roebuck. 223 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:56,600 Not more questions. I already talked to a whole bunch of police. 224 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,751 Consider that a rehearsal. I was serious about the strawberry. 225 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,360 You said in your statement you served Nicholas Santini a vanilla cone. 226 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,640 No, I said I thought I could've done. 227 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,120 I was here at the playground, 228 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,000 then I thought I recognised the kid's jacket when I saw it on the telly. 229 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,360 That's all. Did you see this girl? 230 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,840 That's his sister. 231 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Yeah, I saw her on the telly too, 232 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,800 but I can't remember whether I saw her that day. 233 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Why not? I was busy, mate. Swamped. 234 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Here you go - on the house. No, thanks. I'll pay. 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Who bought Nicholas ice-cream? I don't know. 236 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,400 Look, I just remember seeing the kid with a cone in his hand - I think. 237 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,520 Were the boys with him then? I don't know. 238 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,480 What time did you leave the playground, Mr Roebuck? 239 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,000 A few minutes later. 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,720 To another destination, to sell more of these? 241 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Actually, no. The playground was my last stop. 242 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,360 I was running low on stock, so I went back home. 243 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,800 To the wife and kids? 244 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,800 No, I live alone. 245 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,760 Look, I already had this out with those task force blokes. 246 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,200 What am I gonna do - grab him and stick him in the freezer? 247 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,840 An ice-cream van's not exactly the perfect cover, now, is it? 248 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,071 It depends - it's something people are used to seeing around, isn't it? 249 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,433 MAN ON RADIO: Areas Alpha and Bravo are now cordoned off. 250 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,600 Patrols found that ice-cream cone. 251 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,360 They could have started searching that area yesterday 252 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,960 if she hadn't said it was bloody strawberry. 253 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,120 I was scared. 254 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,760 You were supposed to be looking after him. 255 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,638 Now they can't even find him. Leave her alone. She's upset enough! 256 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,760 Your little brother was by himself 257 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,640 while you were with that oversexed bastard! 258 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,720 We didn't do anything! 259 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,393 No wonder you were so keen to take Nicholas to the park. 260 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,320 Copy that. I'll let headquarters know. 261 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,033 Mapplethorpe. 262 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,000 Oh. 263 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,195 OK, thanks, Karen. 264 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,558 Yep? 265 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,400 OK. 266 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,470 Thanks. 267 00:14:31,322 --> 00:14:34,282 No matter how many you see, you never get over something like this. 268 00:14:34,282 --> 00:14:36,082 So you've finished the preliminary? Yeah. 269 00:14:36,082 --> 00:14:38,842 Nicholas has several bruises and abrasions. 270 00:14:38,842 --> 00:14:40,802 Residue in the wounds suggests they were the result of 271 00:14:40,802 --> 00:14:43,322 being hit with stones and rocks. 272 00:14:43,322 --> 00:14:47,042 Lots of smaller ones, and one big one here that killed him. 273 00:14:47,042 --> 00:14:48,842 The killing blow was from a brick, 274 00:14:48,842 --> 00:14:51,442 probably used as a bludgeon rather than thrown. 275 00:14:51,442 --> 00:14:55,642 He was struck very hard on the back of the head as he lay facedown. 276 00:14:55,642 --> 00:14:59,242 I found bits of dirt and broken teeth in his mouth. 277 00:14:59,242 --> 00:15:00,922 OK, thanks. 278 00:15:00,922 --> 00:15:03,152 Let's find these little bastards. 279 00:15:06,602 --> 00:15:08,442 Nothing much from the scene, Sarge. 280 00:15:08,442 --> 00:15:10,882 Clothing was undisturbed. No footprints or trace. 281 00:15:10,882 --> 00:15:12,882 Just one animal print in some mud. 282 00:15:12,882 --> 00:15:16,122 We got a photograph of the plaster cast. Probably a dog investigating. 283 00:15:16,122 --> 00:15:17,842 It left him alone, thankfully. 284 00:15:17,842 --> 00:15:19,402 Doorknock parameters? 285 00:15:19,402 --> 00:15:22,722 We'll be speaking to residents on both sides of this strip. 286 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:26,042 People walk their dogs here, there's a bike track, kids play here too. 287 00:15:26,042 --> 00:15:27,522 Someone might have seen something. 288 00:15:27,522 --> 00:15:30,722 We can track the boys from the playground to the edge of the open land. 289 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:32,442 The body was found here. 290 00:15:32,442 --> 00:15:34,682 And up here, about 500m away, 291 00:15:34,682 --> 00:15:37,362 there's a bunch of broken bottles and tin cans. 292 00:15:37,362 --> 00:15:39,042 Look like they've had rocks thrown at them. 293 00:15:39,042 --> 00:15:40,122 Our boys? 294 00:15:40,122 --> 00:15:41,682 Pelted with stones. Sounds like boys. 295 00:15:41,682 --> 00:15:45,242 Let's not forget - the boys are important but we can't focus on them entirely. 296 00:15:45,242 --> 00:15:46,722 Why not? It's happened before. 297 00:15:46,722 --> 00:15:49,282 And they were last seen in the open ground with the kid, Sarge. 298 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:53,162 But smashing a kid's head with a brick - it's way out there. 299 00:15:53,162 --> 00:15:55,642 If a child did do that, we're looking for a monster. 300 00:15:55,642 --> 00:15:57,162 Or a fledgling psychopath. 301 00:15:57,162 --> 00:16:00,442 Look, I'm not telling you to discount them entirely. 302 00:16:00,442 --> 00:16:01,962 There were two of them. 303 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,682 One would most likely be the dominant personality, 304 00:16:04,682 --> 00:16:07,802 a narcissist who likes to surround himself with people that look up to him. 305 00:16:07,802 --> 00:16:09,802 A doer and a follower. Exactly. 306 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:12,682 And the follower would want to please. They'd join in. 307 00:16:12,682 --> 00:16:14,562 What other background factors? 308 00:16:14,562 --> 00:16:17,722 The follower would most likely come from a broken home. 309 00:16:17,722 --> 00:16:20,802 Suffer neglect and feel nurtured by his relationship with his friend. 310 00:16:20,802 --> 00:16:22,402 And the other one? 311 00:16:22,402 --> 00:16:24,482 Would probably come from a violent background. 312 00:16:24,482 --> 00:16:28,042 Kids like this, they become numb to violence. They normalise it. 313 00:16:28,042 --> 00:16:29,642 And they show no remorse. 314 00:16:29,642 --> 00:16:31,802 Fledgling psychopath. 315 00:16:31,802 --> 00:16:35,602 And we may have found one. We have an interesting hit on the red jacket. 316 00:16:35,602 --> 00:16:37,682 The jacket belongs to one Peter Shipley. 317 00:16:37,682 --> 00:16:40,402 A teacher from his school visited the information van, Sarge. 318 00:16:40,402 --> 00:16:42,722 Hang on, Let's not get too excited here. 319 00:16:42,722 --> 00:16:44,842 There are quite a few of those jackets about. 320 00:16:44,842 --> 00:16:46,442 We think it's a real possibility, Sarge. 321 00:16:46,442 --> 00:16:48,162 The task force have already questioned several boys, 322 00:16:48,162 --> 00:16:49,722 and they've cleared them all. 323 00:16:49,722 --> 00:16:51,202 What's so special about this one? 324 00:16:51,202 --> 00:16:52,882 Teacher thinks the kid's strange. 325 00:16:52,882 --> 00:16:54,962 He's had him in detention three times for bullying. 326 00:16:54,962 --> 00:16:56,762 Broken home, single working mother. 327 00:16:56,762 --> 00:16:59,482 He fits Senior Sergeant Leigh's profile and our description. 328 00:16:59,482 --> 00:17:01,322 OK, what about the teacher? Have you checked him? 329 00:17:01,322 --> 00:17:03,402 He's been overseas for the holidays till this morning. 330 00:17:03,402 --> 00:17:04,962 I checked with Immigration. 331 00:17:04,962 --> 00:17:06,642 So, how do you want it handled, Sarge? 332 00:17:06,642 --> 00:17:09,322 Carefully. It's a lead, not a result. 333 00:17:09,322 --> 00:17:11,790 Talk to the boy at home, but keep it low-key. 334 00:17:13,202 --> 00:17:15,591 Jennifer! A word. 335 00:17:18,722 --> 00:17:22,397 Your secondment to Counter-Terrorism came through. 336 00:17:23,402 --> 00:17:26,282 Fantastic! These things usually take forever. 337 00:17:26,282 --> 00:17:28,962 Congratulations. You've earned it. 338 00:17:28,962 --> 00:17:30,442 So, how does it work? 339 00:17:30,442 --> 00:17:33,002 I head there at the end of the month? Or when we get an arrest on this case? 340 00:17:33,002 --> 00:17:34,962 You're going over there now. 341 00:17:34,962 --> 00:17:37,802 Sarge, I can't go now. 342 00:17:37,802 --> 00:17:39,322 I wanna see this case through. 343 00:17:39,322 --> 00:17:41,517 Unfortunately, you can't pick and choose your time. 344 00:17:42,522 --> 00:17:44,402 Well, you could call them and let them know that I'm needed here. 345 00:17:44,402 --> 00:17:46,042 Yeah, that wouldn't make any difference. 346 00:17:46,042 --> 00:17:48,362 Surely it doesn't matter to them if I start now or in a few weeks! 347 00:17:48,362 --> 00:17:50,922 I'm sorry, Jennifer. Sarge, please! 348 00:17:50,922 --> 00:17:53,162 There has to be a way around this. 349 00:17:53,162 --> 00:17:55,722 I'll withdraw the application. I don't mind. There'll be other opportunities. 350 00:17:55,722 --> 00:17:59,681 If you turn this one down, they will not give you another chance. 351 00:18:02,322 --> 00:18:04,358 So it's literally now? 352 00:18:10,962 --> 00:18:12,322 Jennifer? 353 00:18:12,322 --> 00:18:15,602 Whoever did this to the Santini boy, 354 00:18:15,602 --> 00:18:17,115 we'll get them. 355 00:18:24,762 --> 00:18:28,596 Your son, Peter - does he own a jacket like this one? 356 00:18:29,882 --> 00:18:31,682 Uh, yep, he does. 357 00:18:31,682 --> 00:18:33,002 Why? 358 00:18:33,002 --> 00:18:36,002 Is your son home, Ms Shipley? Yes. 359 00:18:36,002 --> 00:18:37,958 Peter! 360 00:18:41,482 --> 00:18:43,442 Lots of kids have those jackets. 361 00:18:43,442 --> 00:18:46,722 What's this about? Not that Nicky Santini thing? 362 00:18:46,722 --> 00:18:48,962 Why do you think that? 363 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:52,477 Well, it's all over the TV, the papers you're looking for a jacket like that. 364 00:18:58,882 --> 00:19:00,474 G'day. You're Peter, are you? 365 00:19:03,882 --> 00:19:07,082 These are the police, darling. They're asking about your jacket. 366 00:19:07,082 --> 00:19:08,682 The red one. 367 00:19:08,682 --> 00:19:10,718 I lost it. I told you, remember? 368 00:19:12,122 --> 00:19:14,955 I forgot. Three weeks ago, yeah. He lost it. 369 00:19:18,762 --> 00:19:20,320 You can have a look if you like. 370 00:19:24,042 --> 00:19:25,682 Just like the 'Village of the Damned'. 371 00:19:25,682 --> 00:19:27,562 There was no fear or nothing. It was just weird. 372 00:19:27,562 --> 00:19:29,882 He's got his mum pulled into line, though. She backed up his story. 373 00:19:29,882 --> 00:19:31,362 Yeah, with a bit of prompting. 374 00:19:31,362 --> 00:19:32,602 Hey, where's Jen? 375 00:19:32,602 --> 00:19:35,002 Sarge said she got her secondment. 376 00:19:35,002 --> 00:19:37,522 Timing! Dunny's already on leave. 377 00:19:37,522 --> 00:19:39,682 Hey, you run those checks on Colleen Shipley? 378 00:19:39,682 --> 00:19:42,242 Solo mum. Dad split about six years ago. 379 00:19:42,242 --> 00:19:44,682 There were several call-outs to domestics prior to that. 380 00:19:44,682 --> 00:19:46,882 Fits. Mum works in a deli. 381 00:19:46,882 --> 00:19:49,762 No convictions or charges. Same goes for the son. Cleanskins. 382 00:19:49,762 --> 00:19:51,842 Not anymore - she lied to police. 383 00:19:51,842 --> 00:19:53,642 He didn't lose that jacket three weeks ago. 384 00:19:53,642 --> 00:19:56,362 Uniforms followed up with students in the class. 385 00:19:56,362 --> 00:20:00,042 They remembered the Shipley boy having that jacket at the end of term. 386 00:20:00,042 --> 00:20:02,162 We can't just go dragging this boy in. 387 00:20:02,162 --> 00:20:03,722 There's already a perception out there 388 00:20:03,722 --> 00:20:05,802 that this is the Australian version of kids killing kids. 389 00:20:05,802 --> 00:20:07,402 It's looking more and more likely, though, isn't it? 390 00:20:07,402 --> 00:20:08,402 Unfortunately. 391 00:20:08,402 --> 00:20:10,442 If the press catch on we've got a person of interest, 392 00:20:10,442 --> 00:20:11,922 they'll eat him and his mum alive. 393 00:20:11,922 --> 00:20:15,278 Pull them in anyway. Avoid the media. This could very easily get out of hand. 394 00:20:22,682 --> 00:20:25,002 I already told you, he lost the jacket. 395 00:20:25,002 --> 00:20:28,442 Three weeks ago, you said. But that's a lie, isn't it? 396 00:20:28,442 --> 00:20:30,602 We spoke to your teacher, Peter. 397 00:20:30,602 --> 00:20:33,482 He said that you had that jacket at the end of term. 398 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:35,518 - Said you loved that jacket. - Where is it now? 399 00:20:38,562 --> 00:20:40,202 He lost it, or it was stolen. 400 00:20:40,202 --> 00:20:42,802 Who stole it? I don't know. 401 00:20:42,802 --> 00:20:43,951 Where from? 402 00:20:47,722 --> 00:20:49,314 Peter, answer the police. 403 00:20:50,962 --> 00:20:52,634 Where'd you put the jacket, Peter? 404 00:20:56,642 --> 00:20:58,722 We just need you to tell us the truth. 405 00:20:58,722 --> 00:21:00,242 He lost it. 406 00:21:00,242 --> 00:21:01,722 Where's the jacket, Peter? 407 00:21:01,722 --> 00:21:03,322 We need to get her out of there. Oh, no! 408 00:21:03,322 --> 00:21:05,842 No, you're getting from her what you'd get from him. 409 00:21:05,842 --> 00:21:07,642 She knows what she has to say. 410 00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,282 Do you think she's scared of him? 411 00:21:09,282 --> 00:21:11,722 She's his mother. She wants to protect him. 412 00:21:11,722 --> 00:21:14,242 Doesn't look like he needs much protecting. 413 00:21:14,242 --> 00:21:16,282 So you didn't find the jacket at the house? 414 00:21:16,282 --> 00:21:19,433 Full search, no sign. I bet his mum got rid of it. 415 00:21:20,602 --> 00:21:22,882 You ditched it, didn't you? 416 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:26,238 Hey? After you chucked stones at Nicholas Santini. 417 00:21:29,362 --> 00:21:32,482 Tell me, what was it - was it a game that went wrong? 418 00:21:34,802 --> 00:21:38,082 - Or did you mean to kill him? - Stop it! You'll scare him. 419 00:21:38,082 --> 00:21:39,562 Nothing would scare that boy. 420 00:21:39,562 --> 00:21:41,362 Yeah, you're right. There's no fear. 421 00:21:41,362 --> 00:21:44,922 No empathy, pathological lying. 422 00:21:44,922 --> 00:21:47,800 He does tick a lot of boxes as a classic psychopath. 423 00:21:49,802 --> 00:21:51,962 But not all psychopaths go on to murder. 424 00:21:51,962 --> 00:21:54,202 Who was the other boy - who was the boy you were with? 425 00:21:54,202 --> 00:21:56,432 The one in the blue shirt. You were seen. 426 00:21:58,722 --> 00:22:02,476 Do you know where your son was when Nicholas Santini was taken and killed? 427 00:22:03,482 --> 00:22:06,155 He was at home, with me. He was at home, with me. 428 00:22:09,842 --> 00:22:11,122 Were you? 429 00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:12,562 Sure. 430 00:22:12,562 --> 00:22:15,562 Nicholas Santini was still a baby. 431 00:22:15,562 --> 00:22:18,282 He never got to see his fifth birthday. 432 00:22:18,282 --> 00:22:20,682 He was tortured, he was beaten. 433 00:22:20,682 --> 00:22:24,242 And your son is a known bully who lied about losing his jacket. 434 00:22:24,242 --> 00:22:25,962 He's probably lying about this too. 435 00:22:25,962 --> 00:22:28,322 Mrs Shipley, a boy was murdered. 436 00:22:28,322 --> 00:22:30,882 Think about that day, Colleen. What happened? 437 00:22:30,882 --> 00:22:33,922 When Peter left the house, was he wearing the jacket? 438 00:22:33,922 --> 00:22:37,362 And when Peter got home that afternoon, how was he? 439 00:22:37,362 --> 00:22:42,390 Did he seem upset, scared, excited? 440 00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:45,515 Oh, God. 441 00:22:47,442 --> 00:22:49,034 ALLl E: What happened that day? 442 00:22:53,522 --> 00:22:54,796 Oh, God. 443 00:22:59,962 --> 00:23:04,802 Mrs Shipley, right now he needs your help, not your protection. 444 00:23:04,802 --> 00:23:07,962 It was that other boy, that's who it was. Peter is not a bully. 445 00:23:07,962 --> 00:23:10,282 It's his so-called friend. 446 00:23:10,282 --> 00:23:11,842 - His friend? - What was his name? 447 00:23:11,842 --> 00:23:14,197 Lleyton. Lleyton Penning. 448 00:23:16,322 --> 00:23:18,442 This is ridiculous. It's not even his jacket. 449 00:23:18,442 --> 00:23:21,762 Mr Penning,calm down. You don't want to turn this into a public event. 450 00:23:21,762 --> 00:23:24,276 It doesn't belong to him. He's looking after it for his mate. 451 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:27,159 Bloody hell! Let's go! Come on! 452 00:23:28,362 --> 00:23:30,482 Let's go. Come on, guys. 453 00:23:30,482 --> 00:23:32,362 Mr Penning! Get out of it! Leave us alone! 454 00:23:32,362 --> 00:23:34,962 Are the police arresting your son? He didn't do anything! 455 00:23:34,962 --> 00:23:37,722 Has this got something to do with the death of Nicholas Santini? 456 00:23:37,722 --> 00:23:40,482 Detective, is this young man a suspect? Are you arresting him? 457 00:23:40,482 --> 00:23:42,359 Mr Penning, would you like to say anything? 458 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,200 You know what's in here? 459 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,880 Photos of Nicholas Santini the way he was found. 460 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,600 We're not gonna show them to you because they're too horrible. 461 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,556 I don't mind. I'll look. 462 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,872 Someone threw stones at him, then bashed him with a brick. 463 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,760 I'm afraid your friend Peter is saying you're the one who did this. 464 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,400 What?! 465 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,960 No. 466 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,393 Lleyton? 467 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,920 That's not true. 468 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Lleyton denying it. He says the whole thing was your idea, Peter. 469 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,398 He says that you wanted to see what it would be like to hurt that little boy. 470 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,040 Or kill him - was that the plan? 471 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,960 He is not a killer! 472 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,360 We don't think you meant to hurt him. We're not sure what happened, though. 473 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,800 So Peter's the leader, you think? 474 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,480 Although just because Lleyton doing the tears, 475 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,120 it doesn't mean he's the innocent. 476 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,599 He could be playing us. 477 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,760 So you only threw small stones. Is that what you're telling us? 478 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,239 He's telling the truth. 479 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,720 So,can you tell me who hit Nicholas with the brick, Lleyton? 480 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,400 We didn't do that! 481 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,360 They didn't hit him with any brick! 482 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,760 So, who killed the boy? Neither of us did. 483 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,560 What do you mean? We threw stones at him. We hurt him. 484 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,280 But when he started to bleed, Lleyton got scared, so we left. 485 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600 He was just sitting there... 486 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,114 ..blood on him,crying. 487 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,595 So then we just ran away. 488 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,674 For what it's worth, I think they're telling the truth. 489 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,320 Three hours. 490 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,440 And photos of these two have already appeared on a so-called 'news' website. 491 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,200 It'll be in the papers by tonight 492 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,440 and by tomorrow morning, these two will be labelled Little Nicky's killers. 493 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,280 I put out a statement to counteract this, 494 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680 but the rubber band just got wound a whole lot tighter. 495 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,680 And if these little turds didn't do it, 496 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,240 I wanna know before the media crucifies them. 497 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,160 Stanley. 498 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,360 Our boys independently claim that they left Nicholas here. 499 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:59,120 The body was found here, just under 500m away. 500 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,240 Well, either the child walked or someone took him. 501 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,880 Either way, someone may have seen something, 502 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,400 or maybe there's evidence between these two points. 503 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480 A line search, then, Sarge? Already happening. 504 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,240 You and Allie check back in with the information van. 505 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Inform Sergeant Hatzic of the new elements. 506 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,680 Claudia, give us an assessment, darling. 507 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,880 If those little bastards are lying, they're wasting our time. 508 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,720 If not, they may have something more to give. 509 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,120 Ronnie! I've got the full report. 510 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,600 Oh, you didn't need to bring it over. Yes, I did. 511 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,080 I've done the autopsy and can confirm 512 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,800 the cause of death as massive head injury. 513 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,800 But? 514 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,000 We assumed the boy's clothing was still intact. 515 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,515 It appears now some of his clothes were removed and then replaced. 516 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,390 There's evidence of sexual molestation. 517 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,440 Excuse me. 518 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Um, I heard the appeal on the radio 519 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,920 about the new developments in this case. 520 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,230 I think I might be able to help. OK. Detectives! 521 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320 Yeah, g'day. I was just saying - I think I might have seen something. 522 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,840 I was walking the dog on the day that all this happened. 523 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,280 I saw a young fella down where the police are looking now. 524 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Doing what? 525 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280 He appeared to be, you know, looking for something. 526 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080 Was he carrying anything? Don't think so. 527 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,120 Mm-hm. What age? 1 7, maybe 20. 528 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,440 I mean, kids look a bit alike when you get a bit older. 529 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,960 Hair colour, height, dress? 530 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320 Black hair. Like, all dressed in black. 531 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,080 He had that long, black hair, like, hanging down over his face. 532 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,594 What do you call them - goths? What do you call them? 533 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,960 Emos. 534 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,040 I had nothing to do with killing Nicholas. 535 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,000 Tell me - how did you find him? 536 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Tyler, you live across the road from Lleyton Penning 537 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,080 and you were seen at the overpass. 538 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,480 You expect us to believe that's just a coincidence? 539 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,560 What were you doing there? I wasn't there. I was at the video store. 540 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,040 You were seen! 541 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,520 You followed them down there, didn't you? 542 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,920 No! You saw what they did to that little boy. 543 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480 And then, when they ran away, you walked over, you picked him up, 544 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,160 you carried him from the overpass to somewhere more secluded 545 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,720 and then you killed him. 546 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840 Why would I carry him away to kill him? It's just dumb. 547 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320 You carried him over to where you wouldn't be seen 548 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960 because you didn't JUST kill him, did you? 549 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,040 What? 550 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,679 You needed time with him, and you know why. 551 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,960 No... Oh, Jesus, no! I didn't... 552 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,720 It wasn't like that! It wasn't... 553 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,597 So, what happened? 554 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,960 I know Lleyton, yes. I've known him since he was smaller than Nicholas. 555 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,320 I taught him to ride his bike, I played footy with him. 556 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,360 I'm like his big brother. 557 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,760 So he came to you. Yeah. He was crying and scared. 558 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,240 His dad was still at work. He came to the store. 559 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,880 And? 560 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 He said that him and his mate had done something bad - 561 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,880 that they'd hurt a little kid. 562 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,520 I'd just finished work. 563 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,400 I told him to show me where, 564 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400 but he just said "near the overpass" and then he ran off. 565 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,960 And then you went there alone. 566 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,000 I looked all over where he'd said. I couldn't find any kid. 567 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,160 There was some broken bottles, a bit of blood. 568 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,760 I figured he'd got up and gone home. 569 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,200 When the search for Nicholas Santini was on, 570 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,280 and the body was discovered, 571 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,760 you didn't come forward! 572 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,920 Because it turned out to be my girlfriend's brother! 573 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520 I hadn't done anything. By then it was too late. What was I supposed to do? 574 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,160 You're supposed to speak up. 575 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,160 Lleyton swore to me that the kid they'd hurt 576 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,320 had just been sitting there,crying, when they left him. 577 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,517 I thought he'd got up, wandered off, died. 578 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080 I thought I'd be in trouble for not saying anything. I was scared. 579 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,080 His version fits with what our dog-walker saw - 580 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,920 someone poking around, looking for something. 581 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,600 Or just maybe when Tyler Drew took the boy, 582 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,040 he lost something, was worried about evidence, and went back to check. 583 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,640 He's not in the clear. He was pretty convincing, Sarge. 584 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,560 Maybe, but he's still not in the clear. 585 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,120 What about the lab? There was a sexual element. Was there any DNA? 586 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320 We can go for a match, but you know how long it takes. 587 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,073 We have a neighbourhood ready to explode. We need a result quickly. 588 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,240 Thought you'd still be here. 589 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Yeah. You're working late? 590 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,800 With these ones, sometimes I don't feel like I can go home. 591 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,840 You know? Mmm. 592 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,160 This sexual element doesn't change things? 593 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Still keeping the two boys in your sights? 594 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,400 It's not out of the question. 595 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,600 When I do get home, 596 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,558 I look at my kids, think about my day... 597 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,835 What a world, eh, Stanley? 598 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,637 Anyway, staying late sometimes pays off. 599 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040 It's a hair - a white hair. 600 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,760 I found it stuck on the inside of the little boy's cheek. 601 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,200 I sent it in for analysis. 602 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,640 The lab's found a few more hairs like that stuck to his clothing. 603 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,280 It's a dog hair. 604 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,840 They're working on the breed. 605 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,440 They found an animal print in the mud near the body. 606 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 My bet is it'll definitely be a dog's paw print. 607 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,240 A lot of people walk their dogs on that bit of land. 608 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560 Any persons of interest own a dog? 609 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,754 No. 610 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160 But one of our witnesses does. 611 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,440 Tom Lincoln. Last night I ran a thorough check on him on our database. 612 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,800 He's squeaky clean. No arrests, no charges, no complaints. 613 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Nothing on the paedophile register? 614 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600 No. We're putting out enquiries in all states this morning. 615 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960 So what about the boys? We're just discounting them entirely? 616 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,680 I spent five hours with those boys. 617 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,120 I could only imagine what Peter Shipley COULD be capable of, 618 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,840 but they didn't murder Nicholas. 619 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,320 OK, so, Tom Lincoln. 620 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,720 Why would he step up and make a statement if it was him? 621 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,200 Why would he put his face out there? 622 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,080 It's characteristic behaviour - being helpful, ego tripping. 623 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,480 Some of these people even join in searches. 624 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Alternatively, he could be getting scared. 625 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920 He wants to see how close we are with our investigation. 626 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,520 So he lD'd Tyler Drew. 627 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720 OK, so if Tom Lincoln was already there, 628 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,760 he could have seen Tyler when Tyler went to search for Nicholas. 629 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240 Lincoln could have been with Nicholas right then, 630 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880 concealed in those bushes a few hundred metres away. 631 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000 Of course he could ID Tyler Drew. 632 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Something else very interesting - this. 633 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,600 Tom Lincoln has a dog. We've checked - a border collie. 634 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,400 And we've confirmed the animal hairs on Nicholas Santini 635 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,120 were from that breed of dog. 636 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,040 OK, so you're thinking transferred trace from the dog to the man to the boy. 637 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,840 The experts believe the paw print found near the body 638 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,560 would fit for a border collie too. 639 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,960 All of this coupled with him trying to send us in the wrong direction - 640 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,760 I reckon it's enough for a search warrant, Sarge. 641 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Matt's picking one up now. You execute it with him. 642 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,240 But we do not want Lincoln to know that we're looking at him. 643 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,600 So he is "helping us further with our enquiries". 644 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,556 That should give us some time. 645 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,720 I know it must feel like we're going over and over this, 646 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,480 but sometimes new details come up, you know? 647 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320 That's OK. It's fine - I'm happy to help. 648 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,400 The coffee you wanted. Oh, thank you very much. 649 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,480 It's very good of you to come in like this. 650 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,960 It's alright. I mean, it's a terrible, terrible thing. 651 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,440 Oh, appalling. That poor little boy. 652 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,440 Mmm. 653 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,080 So let's start again, shall we? 654 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,840 Um, well, I'm not sure how I can help. 655 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,600 Did you end up speaking to that young bloke? 656 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,800 We have, yeah. 657 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,880 The person you indicated is denying ever being at that exact location. 658 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,480 Oh, well, he would, wouldn't he? 659 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,640 He was definitely there. I mean, other people must have seen him. 660 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,240 You know, he stands out in a crowd, you know? 661 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,920 Mmm. 662 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,120 If you could give us any other details, it'd be a great help. 663 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,078 Yep, OK. Um... 664 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240 Matty. 665 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,520 We turned up a marriage certificate. 666 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,200 Tom and Gwen Darby. 667 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,560 Darby, not Lincoln. 668 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,280 We found computer discs too. You don't want to see what's on them. 669 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,160 Kiddy stuff. 670 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,160 Worst kind. 671 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600 So, how does Sarge want us to play it? 672 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,680 He says to keep him tied up for a bit. Stay cool. 673 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,673 Stay cool? I want to put his head through the glass. 674 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,560 What have we got? 675 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Married, one kid. Divorced. 676 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,840 Moved interstate after the marriage broke up. 677 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,320 Tom Lincoln is just an alias. 678 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Real name? 679 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,320 All happened in Darwin, so I've been running the Northern Territory database. 680 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,080 Hits? Coming through now. 681 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Thomas... Darby. 682 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520 Three charges of indecent exposure, one conviction. 683 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,920 And a second conviction of unlawful sexual intercourse 684 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,040 with a child under 1 6 - a boy. 685 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,600 Where's the evidence from the house? Tagged and logged, Sarge. 686 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,397 Sign it out. Now. 687 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,160 Search warrant. 688 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,640 Marriage certificate, Mr Darby. 689 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,120 And your collection. Now, start telling the truth. 690 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,960 You were happy for two boys, 1 2 and 1 3, to take the fall for this. 691 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,800 They've been charged with child stealing and serious assault. 692 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,600 We still have a murder outstanding. 693 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,240 Nicholas Santini - the boy you killed. 694 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,240 No. 695 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,640 Photos are in here, DNA tests are in the lab. 696 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,760 The two boys were slipping off the hook, so you gave us another suspect, right? 697 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,040 No. Yes! 698 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,918 These say yes! No! 699 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,480 That's history. That's... 700 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,360 That's all it is - it's history. 701 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,480 It's on the news. 702 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560 The boys - the press are camped outside their houses. 703 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,040 It's gonna get very nasty. 704 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,480 Nuh. We need to change tack. 705 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,240 It has to be you. 706 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,960 You're the leader - you're the important one. 707 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,840 Coming from you, this might work. What are you thinking? 708 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,280 His ex-wife, his daughter - they could hold the key. 709 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,400 You searched the house. It's more of a granny flat, really. 710 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,000 Rented, behind another place. Pretty grotty. 711 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,760 And the dog - it lives inside with him? 712 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,720 Yeah, it certainly smelt like it. 713 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,840 Were there photos? His wife, the daughter? 714 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,040 Y es, lots of them. 715 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,680 Alright. Stanley, you need to get in there and take over. 716 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,080 Use the family. Try to get into his heart. 717 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520 You know, talk about his wife, the break-up. 718 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,760 Show him understanding and empathy. 719 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,160 Compassion. 720 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,760 You want me to show that man...compassion? 721 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,671 That's the only way. 722 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,620 I will ask you again. Why lie about your name? 723 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:15,420 Because of this - exactly this. 724 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:17,540 No, you use a fake name because of what you've done - 725 00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:18,980 what you're still doing. 726 00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:22,860 No! I did not touch that boy. 727 00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:26,540 We have the physical evidence! You're facing rape and murder charges. 728 00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:29,930 OK, let's take a break, shall we? I think we all need a break. 729 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,575 Mr Lincoln and I need to have a talk. 730 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:41,372 One with and one without. 731 00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:44,460 Your choice. 732 00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,416 I don't mind. 733 00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:52,060 Let's take a few steps back, Mr Lincoln. 734 00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:55,060 You loved your daughter. 735 00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:57,060 Yes. And your daughter loved you. 736 00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:58,660 Of course. 737 00:36:58,660 --> 00:37:01,540 And your wife took her away. 738 00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:04,054 She said she didn't trust me. 739 00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:06,900 With my own daughter. 740 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,131 I mean, I don't blame her for leaving. Who wouldn't? 741 00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:16,140 I would never, NEVER hurt my daughter. 742 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,500 I believe that. 743 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,458 And I haven't seen her for years. 744 00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:25,450 I have daughters of my own. 745 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,009 They live with my wife now. 746 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:37,772 So I do...understand what it's like to feel alone. 747 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,176 And you do feel lonely, don't you, Tom? 748 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:45,780 Yes. 749 00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:49,853 I am...alone. 750 00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:59,140 Your dog. He's cute. 751 00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:01,017 He's company. 752 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:06,856 Your world just got...smaller and smaller, didn't it? 753 00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:10,260 What do you mean? 754 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:12,057 Company. 755 00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:18,491 That's what these are, right? 756 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:21,856 People think it's about sex. 757 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:24,939 It's not. 758 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:27,500 No. 759 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,860 You go from a nice house, wife, child, 760 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,820 to living with your dog in a place that you hate 761 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:34,780 by yourself - a kennel. 762 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:37,060 These were about company as much as anything. 763 00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:40,575 Something to have in your head apart from the loneliness. 764 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,297 Yes. In a way, yes. 765 00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:48,500 Well, it's more than loneliness, really, isn't it? 766 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,209 It's a sense of people...looking at you. 767 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:55,537 A sense of loss. 768 00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:59,814 A sense of despair, I suppose. 769 00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:03,095 Yes. 770 00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:06,340 Yes. 771 00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:09,093 And that's why you can't go through it again... 772 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:12,059 ..over Nicholas. 773 00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:16,532 What do you mean? 774 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:19,820 What do you mean? 775 00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:23,420 I mean when you found the boy, your first impulse was to help. 776 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,620 I bet it was, wasn't it? 777 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:28,220 He's hurt, he's crying. 778 00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:31,060 Poor little fella. You pick him up, you carry him. 779 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:33,060 You tell him he's gonna be OK. 780 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:34,580 He was bleeding. 781 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:37,540 Yeah, 'cause those rotten little bastards had been throwing stones at him. 782 00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:39,020 He was hurt. 783 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:42,808 And somewhere, there was someone who loved him. 784 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:47,011 A family that he belonged to. 785 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:49,857 You wanted to help. 786 00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:55,140 But it went wrong. 787 00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:58,180 Didn't it? 788 00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:00,180 I do understand, Tom. I do. 789 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:02,500 But it just went wrong, didn't it? 790 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,333 You don't know what it's like. You don't know what it's like. 791 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:10,250 I had him in my arms. 792 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:15,458 I couldn't help myself. 793 00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:19,055 You don't know what it's like. You don't know what it's like! 794 00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:24,778 And then after... 795 00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:28,252 ..I didn't know what to do. 796 00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:32,180 He wouldn't stop crying. 797 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:34,410 I had to make him stop crying. I had to. 798 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,540 I'm so sorry. 799 00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:41,771 I'm so sorry. 800 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:44,448 I'm sorry. 801 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:46,969 Sorry! 802 00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:07,895 Jesus, it just never bloody ends. 803 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:16,019 Oh, my beautiful child 804 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:19,614 My beautiful child 805 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,580 The brightest of stars 806 00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:29,289 Couldn't match your sweet smile 807 00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:34,175 But you grew up too soon 808 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:39,780 Far beyond your young years 809 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:44,500 Now all that remains 810 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:49,051 Is your memory and tears 811 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:53,700 When they found the body that day 812 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:58,091 Some said you smiled 813 00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:03,420 And I wish I was with you right now 814 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:08,494 My beautiful child. 815 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,133 Anybody got a dart? 816 00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:21,620 Run us off a hundred copies of that, will you, love? 817 00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:25,820 There's dartboards in police mess halls all across the state be wanting them. 818 00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:28,460 You lot cheer up. 819 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:31,611 You closed the case. You can't bring back the dead as well. 820 00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:34,780 And you can't put those families back together. 821 00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:38,500 You've given them all a chance to move on. 822 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:39,615 That's something. 823 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:43,934 Great job today, Stan. Well done. 824 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:48,735 If you weren't such a wowser, I'd buy you a drink. 825 00:42:48,785 --> 00:42:53,335 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 65542

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