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911 was is your emergency?
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Somebody's
just killed themselves.
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Somebody's
tryin' to hurt themselves?
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No he killed himself.
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He did?
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Yes, he isn't breathin' now.
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Oh god!
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If there's a flaw
in the approach
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That we have taken to wars,
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It is this feeling
that once we go to war,
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We limit what we're
prepared to do.
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We were very focused
on the combat side,
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We didn't give much
time to mental health.
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You couldn't have drawn up
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A more catastrophic way to fail
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To meet mental health needs,
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Than the blueprints that
were followed in this war
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And that were followed
in previous wars.
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55% of veterans
treated by the DA
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Have been diagnosed with
a mental health disorder.
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55%.
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There's not a single
veteran that I know
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Who doesn't know somebody
who has committed suicide.
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The numbers are staggering.
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We don't even know
what's gonna hit us
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In the next 10 years as a result
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Of the past decade or
dozen years of war.
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I always wanted to be a soldier.
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I wanted to be a marine.
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A good marine is somebody
who can get the job done,
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Look death in the face
and run right at it.
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The salt flats have
this feel to them,
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It reminds me a lot of Iraq.
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You really can't tell distance.
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The mirages confuse you.
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All of a sudden
it's a combat zone
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And you're running
for your life.
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Your adrenaline's going
and your blood's pumping
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And you just wanna
fight something.
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It's kind of exhausting
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Feeling like you're under
attack all the time.
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You try to rationalize it,
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So that you can just live
a productive, happy life.
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It's,
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It's really hard to do.
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When I got back from Iraq,
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I was still tryin'
to make it big.
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I had a beautiful wife,
had beautiful children,
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Had a great job.
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On the outside,
man I looked good.
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But on the inside I was tore up.
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I didn't really understand
what I was going through.
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I just broke down
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And that's when it got
outta control for me.
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I've been tryin' to dig
outta that whole ever since.
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There were other
marines in my unit
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Having problems as well,
because of what had happened
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And what we as marines had done.
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Had a real hasty order.
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Said, "hey you guys are gonna
walk and clear this city."
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"you're just gonna
walk down the blocks."
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We got off of our
trucks outside the city
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And started patrolling.
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The civilians were warning us,
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Saddam many many,
Saddam many many.
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"Police compound up ahead,
you don't wanna go there."
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We're goin' there.
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We started hearing gunshots.
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And one of the platoons
is completely under fire.
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I remember running
towards an alley
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Going up to that position,
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And hearing the rounds
flying over my head.
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Me and Vidanya were
the radio operators,
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It was our turn to
run across the street.
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All of a sudden, it sounded
like somebody hit Vidanya
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In the head with a sledgehammer.
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He just dropped like
dead meat, just like PFT.
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When we heard that
one of us had gone down,
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It just kinda
really became real.
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We were firing at the
enemy across this open field,
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Takin' small arms fire,
takin' sniper fire.
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I was up on a building that
was our makeshift command post
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And I see these vehicles
coming down the road.
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We had received
word that the enemy
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Was stopping vehicles,
getting in the vehicles
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And then coming towards us.
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One of the vehicles came out
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And started turning,
right at my building.
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I felt like we
were about to die.
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I picked up my rifle.
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I ran up some stairs.
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And we all opened up.
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We heard yelling
from the vehicle.
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They were waving a
flag of some sort,
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Screaming, "we are peace
people, we are peace people."
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They were innocent civilians
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And the girl from the vehicle,
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Her husband and two sons
were shot and killed.
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Their wailing, this
complete painful cry.
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"You killed my son,
you killed my son."
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We didn't have time to care.
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We didn't have
time to process it.
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We still had to do our job.
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It's really sad because I
feel proud of how we did
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And I'm so ashamed of what
we did at the same time,
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So what do you do with that?
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My interest in
traumatic stress injuries
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Began during my childhood.
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My father was a marine,
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I lived on a marine
base during the height
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Of the Vietnam war.
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That stuck with me,
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In trying to understand the
affects of war on human beings.
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In 2003, our field hospital
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Added on some innovative,
proactive ways
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Of identifying
battlefield evacuees
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Who might have some kind
of a combat stress reaction
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And did some early intervention
that seemed to be effective.
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What really opened
my eyes in this war,
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When admiral came to
our field hospital.
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We gave him this short
dog and pony show.
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Basic lessons in, how you
meet mental health needs
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During a time of war.
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This is something we thought
should be replicated.
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Admiral took it in
and stood up and said,
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"you guys did a great job,
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"but unfortunately
it'll all be forgotten
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"and somebody else is
gonna have to rediscover it
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"in the next war."
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As a marine,
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Made me feel like that
was an absolute betrayal.
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That unlike battlefield
lessons in war strategy,
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The lessons of war
trauma aren't important
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To listen and learn from?
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Why do we not do
everything possible
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To try to meet the mental
health needs of this generation?
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Why?
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As our troops deployed,
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We knew it would be critical
to have a robust network
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Of mental health
resources in place.
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But preparation on a
broader and deeper level
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Was not a welcome topic.
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Thank you.
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My fellow Americans.
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Major combat operations
in Iraq have ended.
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Our political leaders
thought this was going to be
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A very short war.
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Cake walk was one of the
phrases that was used
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And so our military of course
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Served within that framework.
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We were not allowed to speak
of the unseen wounds of war,
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We were not allowed
to prepare for them.
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It was incredibly distressing.
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What really got me,
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I did a survey of
mental health providers
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And asked them,
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"what kinds of training
have you received
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"on understanding and
treating combat stress?"
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Out of 133 clinicians, 90%
have not received any training
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On any of the top
treatments for PTSD.
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The next few days
after April eight,
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That's when the
pain started for me.
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What we must've done
to those families.
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For a while I was not really
wanting to think about
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That we had just
killed human beings.
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They weren't human beings then.
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I was...
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Pretty fucking cold.
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I started having
recurring nightmares
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Of a car driving down the road,
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We're yelling at it for it
to stop and it keeps coming,
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So we shoot it.
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And I look inside
and it's my family,
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It's my kids that are dead.
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I actually went to a
psychologist while I was in Iraq
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Who said, "do you
feel suicidal?"
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And I said, "yes I do."
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They had me talk to a
corpsman who I didn't know,
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Didn't trust, asking me
extremely personal questions
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And I lied to him,
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Because I didn't
know who he was.
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I didn't wanna talk with
him about everything
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That was going on.
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You know, who the
fuck are you dude?
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No I don't wanna kill
myself of course not,
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Only wussies do that.
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The whole stigma.
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You don't do that, you suck
it up and you carry on,
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You don't do that.
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So you're broken.
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The military knew in 2003, four
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There was a very serious
mental health care crisis.
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There were suicides
in the war zone,
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Suicides back at their
military installations.
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After just three months in Iraq,
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TJ shot and killed himself.
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Army specialist Cody baker
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Took his life
earlier this month.
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Daniel Silmers,
sergeant shot himself.
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Staff sergeant Jared Hageman
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Committed suicide.
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Part of a growing problem
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Among our nation's fighters,
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As the number of them committing
suicide continues to rise.
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I was deployed as part of a team
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Called the mental
health advisory team.
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To look at home
mental health services
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Were being delivered in Iraq.
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There were problems
with the way in which
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Mental health professionals
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Were distributed
on the battlefield.
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There was difficulty
with access to them.
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I lost my best friend
in a mortar attack,
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While he was sleeping.
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I had walked in and seen him
splattered all over his room,
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After I had been
out for three days.
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And nobody ever came and
asked me a thing a about it.
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There wasn't a
Chaplin showed up,
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There wasn't a psychiatrist,
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There wasn't anybody.
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The most important
finding in this study
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Was the data on stigma
and barriers to care.
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Very few who needed care
were accessing care.
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There is this message we send,
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If you raise your
hand and ask for help,
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Your career is over.
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First of all you
lose your clearance
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And then if you don't
have your clearance,
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You don't have much of a future.
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The study was also
the first snapshot
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Of the prevalence related to
post traumatic stress disorder,
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Before deployment
and after deployment,
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Showing the
startling difference.
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Doctor Hogue and
others certainly
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Had alerted the leadership
to what was going on,
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But those measures,
however necessary,
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They were insufficient.
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The diagnosis of PTSD
is this absurd idea
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That you can reduce the
human response to trauma
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To a single diagnosis.
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It shows you how far behind
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We are the rest
of medical science
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In understanding these injuries.
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There is substance abuse
and depression and suicide.
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Those things aren't
covered in PTSD.
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What it's like to lose
somebody close to you,
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Or see somebody killed
in front of you.
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We're not including
the whole spectrum.
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And the consequences, many
people are gonna be missed.
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And these crisis
will perpetuate.
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Hello?
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Oh, so good to see you.
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So thankful for you.
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You look wonderful.
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Oh well thank you.
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Growing up, my relationship
with my religion
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Was everything to me.
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Religion was everything.
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00:16:11,447 --> 00:16:15,017
I wasn't happy that
you had been called out
260
00:16:15,018 --> 00:16:16,478
To go to Iraq.
261
00:16:16,486 --> 00:16:20,886
I had taught you the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
262
00:16:20,890 --> 00:16:23,060
Not ever knowing that
you would ever have
263
00:16:23,061 --> 00:16:27,227
To be in a position to shoot
anybody or kill anybody.
264
00:16:27,228 --> 00:16:30,028
I was thankful to have you home.
265
00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:43,510
After 2003, I was going
insane inside of my own head.
266
00:16:45,374 --> 00:16:49,644
The turbulence I had with
my morals being violated
267
00:16:49,645 --> 00:16:51,205
The way they were.
268
00:16:52,646 --> 00:16:57,076
I couldn't make sense
that I wasn't a murderer.
269
00:16:57,084 --> 00:16:59,151
It would actually make me upset
270
00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:00,582
When people would
come up to me and say,
271
00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:03,186
"oh thank you for your
service, welcome home."
272
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:07,519
I would get angry and I'd
be like, "what do you know?
273
00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:10,226
"What do you know
about being home?
274
00:17:10,228 --> 00:17:13,096
"And coming back from a war,
275
00:17:13,097 --> 00:17:16,297
"and living with these memories?
276
00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:17,570
"Don't thank me."
277
00:17:19,100 --> 00:17:23,140
It's interesting, just looking
back know, going to combat
278
00:17:26,105 --> 00:17:28,805
And not being
prepared whatsoever.
279
00:17:42,285 --> 00:17:44,815
When you are in combat,
280
00:17:44,821 --> 00:17:49,291
You actually leave your
ordinary world behind.
281
00:17:49,292 --> 00:17:52,127
You actually enter
in a different space.
282
00:17:52,128 --> 00:17:53,328
I call it the sacred space
283
00:17:53,329 --> 00:17:55,359
Because what you're
dealing with is death,
284
00:17:55,364 --> 00:17:57,764
Your own death or you're
taking the lives of others,
285
00:17:57,766 --> 00:18:00,066
That's the act of a god.
286
00:18:01,301 --> 00:18:03,171
Then you come back.
287
00:18:03,802 --> 00:18:05,302
How does the human psyche handle
288
00:18:05,304 --> 00:18:09,573
Trying to come to terms
with what have I done?
289
00:18:09,574 --> 00:18:13,343
I needed to reevaluate who I am.
290
00:18:13,344 --> 00:18:15,244
What have I become?
291
00:18:15,245 --> 00:18:19,275
And I saw that I wasn't that
same person that I was before.
292
00:18:20,481 --> 00:18:22,481
It bothered me at night.
293
00:18:22,484 --> 00:18:26,253
It bothered me when I looked
at myself in the mirror.
294
00:18:26,254 --> 00:18:30,494
It wasn't just trauma, it was
something more going on here.
295
00:18:33,458 --> 00:18:37,228
We have a label for
it today, moral injury.
296
00:18:37,229 --> 00:18:40,329
That type of a wound,
it's devastating,
297
00:18:40,332 --> 00:18:42,432
But as a mental health
provider in the military,
298
00:18:42,434 --> 00:18:46,270
I'd never even heard
of moral injury.
299
00:18:46,271 --> 00:18:48,171
How do you help people
who've come to your office
300
00:18:48,172 --> 00:18:50,272
When they've killed?
301
00:18:50,274 --> 00:18:53,142
We don't have shells,
we're not turtles,
302
00:18:53,143 --> 00:18:54,343
We take the hit.
303
00:18:56,244 --> 00:18:59,847
So you're gonna come to
terms with it someday.
304
00:18:59,848 --> 00:19:04,278
But it'll sit there in your
psyche until you deal with it.
305
00:19:11,557 --> 00:19:13,587
After I was out
of the marine core,
306
00:19:13,593 --> 00:19:17,263
I started feeling the
void of no comradery.
307
00:19:18,463 --> 00:19:20,763
The whole time, you're
saying to your brothers,
308
00:19:20,766 --> 00:19:22,196
"I'll die for you."
309
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,769
When that was gone,
it was heartbreaking.
310
00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:29,400
So I started looking up
our unit online constantly.
311
00:19:29,406 --> 00:19:33,366
Anything that I thought
would give me a thread.
312
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,930
It was about a week after
Saddam's regime had fallen.
313
00:19:58,931 --> 00:20:03,201
The city was in a state
of absolute pandemonium.
314
00:20:04,267 --> 00:20:07,267
I was just driving
around Baghdad
315
00:20:07,271 --> 00:20:10,439
And I saw an enormous
crowd outside this hospital
316
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,670
And they were trying
to get inside,
317
00:20:11,674 --> 00:20:15,343
So I said, "well
let's go in there."
318
00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:17,744
A doctor walked up
to me and he said,
319
00:20:17,746 --> 00:20:19,176
"there's a really sad case here
320
00:20:19,180 --> 00:20:20,610
"that I wanna tell you about."
321
00:20:20,614 --> 00:20:23,314
So I followed him to the back
322
00:20:25,417 --> 00:20:28,847
And there sat a
young Iraqi woman,
323
00:20:28,854 --> 00:20:31,594
Her name was Nora Khachadoorian.
324
00:20:32,389 --> 00:20:35,389
Her mother was there, Margret.
325
00:20:35,393 --> 00:20:38,862
The American's got into a
firefight with the Iraqi army
326
00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:41,831
Right in the middle
of their neighborhood.
327
00:20:41,832 --> 00:20:44,532
There were bullets everywhere,
328
00:20:44,534 --> 00:20:47,944
So they took a turn and they
went into an intersection
329
00:20:47,945 --> 00:20:49,697
And before they knew it,
330
00:20:49,705 --> 00:20:53,835
The three male members of
the family were killed.
331
00:21:02,983 --> 00:21:04,383
It was the first time
332
00:21:04,385 --> 00:21:07,585
That I heard a voice
of the victims.
333
00:21:07,588 --> 00:21:09,648
Their side of the story.
334
00:21:17,829 --> 00:21:20,398
I was so happy
to have Louis home.
335
00:21:20,399 --> 00:21:23,267
He didn't look any
different to me.
336
00:21:23,268 --> 00:21:26,968
It wasn't until probably
months later that you realized
337
00:21:26,971 --> 00:21:29,001
That he had changed.
338
00:21:29,006 --> 00:21:30,966
Louis was always the protector,
339
00:21:30,974 --> 00:21:34,242
Until he got back from
Iraq and all of a sudden
340
00:21:34,243 --> 00:21:37,413
We had to start
worrying about him.
341
00:21:42,982 --> 00:21:44,982
The dad's name is James,
342
00:21:44,985 --> 00:21:47,515
The son's are
Nicolas and Edmund.
343
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,760
It puts the human aspect back
into your thought process.
344
00:21:55,626 --> 00:21:59,326
I wanted to try to
find the Kachadoorians.
345
00:21:59,330 --> 00:22:03,499
I wanted to talk to them, I
wanted to get to know them.
346
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:06,700
They tell you in the
marines, be no better friend
347
00:22:06,703 --> 00:22:08,970
And be no worse enemy.
348
00:22:08,971 --> 00:22:11,001
You're told to
protect and to defend,
349
00:22:11,006 --> 00:22:13,306
But you don't stop doing that
350
00:22:13,308 --> 00:22:15,908
Just cause you're
not over there.
351
00:22:18,778 --> 00:22:21,408
I found a wealth of
knowledge on the internet.
352
00:22:21,414 --> 00:22:24,916
At the time I was
videoing the journey.
353
00:22:24,917 --> 00:22:28,347
I came across this
site, Rehumanise. Us
354
00:22:29,553 --> 00:22:33,356
About the Iraqi civilians
who were killed in 2003,
355
00:22:33,357 --> 00:22:37,957
I go down to April 8th and
it smacked me in the face
356
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,460
That it was real.
357
00:22:49,069 --> 00:22:53,339
James, Nicolas, Edmund dashed
in front of the family car
358
00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:55,670
Which contained the father.
359
00:22:58,309 --> 00:23:01,409
Margaret was the
woman and the daughter
360
00:23:02,479 --> 00:23:04,409
And her name's Nora.
361
00:23:24,665 --> 00:23:27,565
The whole nation
builds the rifle.
362
00:23:27,568 --> 00:23:29,568
Pays the taxes, puts it together
363
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:32,040
And decides through it's
representative bodies
364
00:23:32,041 --> 00:23:34,339
Where that rifle will be used.
365
00:23:34,341 --> 00:23:37,541
The veteran is the person
that pulled the trigger.
366
00:23:37,544 --> 00:23:40,782
But what happens is when
the veteran comes home,
367
00:23:40,783 --> 00:23:43,680
It's like the veteran was the
only one that did the killing.
368
00:23:43,682 --> 00:23:45,082
We've gotta change
that attitude.
369
00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:47,052
They wonder why
veterans feel alienated.
370
00:23:47,053 --> 00:23:49,951
If there's an unconscious feeling
on the part of the country
371
00:23:49,953 --> 00:23:51,953
That, well, he did it,
372
00:23:51,955 --> 00:23:55,685
That's going to go a long way
toward making that veteran's
373
00:23:55,692 --> 00:23:58,527
Healing way more difficult.
374
00:23:58,528 --> 00:24:00,958
What the issue is,
when you get back home,
375
00:24:00,963 --> 00:24:02,963
How fast are you going
to be able to heal
376
00:24:02,965 --> 00:24:04,625
So that you can
have a normal life,
377
00:24:04,633 --> 00:24:06,133
So that you can have a family?
378
00:24:06,134 --> 00:24:09,644
And we're failing at
that healing part.
379
00:24:19,478 --> 00:24:23,708
I met Phil before he went
on his first deployment.
380
00:24:24,815 --> 00:24:27,645
He was full of life,
full of ambition,
381
00:24:27,652 --> 00:24:29,992
He was a hopeless romantic.
382
00:24:31,721 --> 00:24:35,391
On his second deployment, I
remember getting this envelope
383
00:24:35,392 --> 00:24:36,622
And look at this thing.
384
00:24:37,627 --> 00:24:40,927
It looks like it
had been to war.
385
00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:43,630
Dear Margerie, I'm
headed to Al Fallujah
386
00:24:43,632 --> 00:24:46,570
Which is still very active
with enemy insurgents.
387
00:24:46,571 --> 00:24:50,068
By some chance I never get
to tell you how I feel again,
388
00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:54,407
Margerie I have loved
you since the day we met.
389
00:24:54,408 --> 00:24:56,538
I knew from the moment
I laid eyes on you,
390
00:24:56,543 --> 00:24:58,443
That you were special.
391
00:24:59,444 --> 00:25:01,078
I love you Margerie
392
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,679
And I can't wait to see
you when I get home.
393
00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:18,426
Thanksgiving day,
394
00:25:18,427 --> 00:25:21,527
We were patrolling
this one neighborhood.
395
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:26,166
We found a weapons cache
in a house that was wired.
396
00:25:26,167 --> 00:25:30,837
A few guys in our unit,
Benson, Marku, Rodriguez,
397
00:25:30,838 --> 00:25:35,068
Hodges and Holmes were supposed
to clear three buildings up.
398
00:25:36,074 --> 00:25:40,078
I stayed with the lieutenant,
the radio operator
399
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,779
And squad leader.
400
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:45,720
And we started hearing shooting.
401
00:25:47,117 --> 00:25:51,047
We thought it was Holmes and
those guys clearing by fire.
402
00:25:53,122 --> 00:25:55,691
But they had actually
entered this building
403
00:25:55,692 --> 00:25:58,092
And walked right into an ambush.
404
00:25:59,962 --> 00:26:03,130
We could hear the
firefight going on.
405
00:26:03,131 --> 00:26:05,866
They were stuck in this house
406
00:26:05,867 --> 00:26:10,697
And there was nowhere for
them to defend themselves.
407
00:26:10,704 --> 00:26:12,871
We tried going over the wall,
408
00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:17,141
But as we got to the top we
had incoming machine gun fire.
409
00:26:17,142 --> 00:26:20,242
I was like, "fuck this I'm
gonna get on the rooftop
410
00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:22,076
"and start engaging."
411
00:26:24,949 --> 00:26:27,079
Lookin' down I
could see them all
412
00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:29,815
Down in the courtyard screamin'.
413
00:26:30,687 --> 00:26:33,087
It was Holmes and Markus voice,
414
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:35,590
"we need help, we need help."
415
00:26:35,592 --> 00:26:39,062
I was yellin' back,
"be still, be quiet."
416
00:26:40,195 --> 00:26:43,995
Every time they would
yell, rounds would go off.
417
00:26:44,765 --> 00:26:47,195
I was tryin' to engage the enemy
418
00:26:47,201 --> 00:26:49,301
But it was just chaos.
419
00:26:51,370 --> 00:26:53,200
Next thing we know,
420
00:26:57,375 --> 00:27:00,305
Holmes had a grenade land on him
421
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,975
And Marku was hit
with a tracer round.
422
00:27:10,185 --> 00:27:12,785
I watched him burn to death.
423
00:27:26,366 --> 00:27:30,296
My exit with the marine
core was very quick.
424
00:27:30,304 --> 00:27:33,172
"Best of luck to ya son."
425
00:27:33,173 --> 00:27:37,143
That was what my co said,
"best of luck to ya."
426
00:27:41,246 --> 00:27:43,076
I knew that first night
427
00:27:43,082 --> 00:27:45,252
That there was
something really wrong,
428
00:27:45,253 --> 00:27:48,150
His anxiety was just terrible.
429
00:27:48,152 --> 00:27:51,052
Before we even went
to bed he said,
430
00:27:51,054 --> 00:27:52,194
"if you have to wake me up,
431
00:27:52,195 --> 00:27:54,088
"don't touch my upper body.
432
00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:57,719
"Just hit my feet
or touch my legs."
433
00:27:57,725 --> 00:28:01,885
He couldn't sit still, he
had to be moving all the time.
434
00:28:01,895 --> 00:28:03,325
In the house I mean he
couldn't sleep in a bed,
435
00:28:03,329 --> 00:28:04,659
He had to sleep in a chair.
436
00:28:04,663 --> 00:28:06,163
I was mad
437
00:28:06,164 --> 00:28:07,764
That he couldn't get it
together and get rollin'.
438
00:28:07,765 --> 00:28:09,795
You know I'd advise
him to do stuff
439
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,400
Cause that's what dads do.
440
00:28:11,401 --> 00:28:14,201
It was like he was
just blowin' me off.
441
00:28:14,203 --> 00:28:17,043
He couldn't engage with family.
442
00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:21,339
He felt guilty that he was home
443
00:28:22,342 --> 00:28:24,210
With me and his family
444
00:28:24,211 --> 00:28:28,111
And he'd lay with David and
just kinda put him on his chest
445
00:28:28,114 --> 00:28:31,149
And he would say, "god
there are some guys
446
00:28:31,150 --> 00:28:35,190
"that'll never know what
it's like to be a father."
447
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:51,030
Was it just me and my training?
448
00:28:51,034 --> 00:28:54,169
The guys around
me protecting me?
449
00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:56,870
What was it that kept me alive
450
00:28:56,872 --> 00:29:00,042
When other guys
weren't so fortunate.
451
00:29:03,777 --> 00:29:06,077
The conversations
about the guys that died
452
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Always came in the
form of a fight
453
00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:11,452
Or in the middle of the night
right after a nightmare.
454
00:29:11,453 --> 00:29:13,781
He would blurt out, "you
don't know what it was like
455
00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:16,416
"to see your friend
burned alive.
456
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:17,751
"You don't know what it's like
457
00:29:17,755 --> 00:29:19,915
"to hear those
screams in your head."
458
00:29:19,923 --> 00:29:24,163
I wanted to know more about
it but he wouldn't let me in.
459
00:29:25,793 --> 00:29:27,963
He just wanted to escape.
460
00:29:34,901 --> 00:29:37,331
I started completely
blaming myself.
461
00:29:37,336 --> 00:29:38,196
What am I doing?
462
00:29:38,203 --> 00:29:40,070
What am I not doing?
463
00:29:40,071 --> 00:29:42,501
It was a year into our marriage
464
00:29:42,506 --> 00:29:45,406
And we were already
falling apart.
465
00:29:51,412 --> 00:29:54,752
I would say, "what happened
to you, where are you?
466
00:29:54,753 --> 00:29:58,149
"Where's the Phil that I know?"
467
00:29:58,152 --> 00:30:01,422
And he would say,
"he's dead, he's gone."
468
00:30:08,461 --> 00:30:12,197
I had no idea how
to make it work.
469
00:30:12,198 --> 00:30:14,328
So, it ended up not working
470
00:30:17,168 --> 00:30:18,768
And we split up.
471
00:30:20,203 --> 00:30:23,973
This isn't how this
was supposed to end.
472
00:30:27,977 --> 00:30:30,207
Why didn't the military
473
00:30:30,213 --> 00:30:34,783
After hundreds of years of
experience with veterans,
474
00:30:34,784 --> 00:30:38,820
Give us more insight on
what was likely to happen
475
00:30:38,821 --> 00:30:40,821
When we got home?
476
00:30:40,823 --> 00:30:42,123
At that point in time,
477
00:30:42,124 --> 00:30:45,860
Nobody ever told us about
PTSD or what to expect
478
00:30:45,861 --> 00:30:48,329
And then when it
started comin' out
479
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:52,570
What PTSD, well you didn't
wanna seem like you had PTSD.
480
00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:55,527
Didn't talk to anybody about it,
481
00:30:55,536 --> 00:30:58,066
But the guys that were there.
482
00:30:58,071 --> 00:31:01,171
The military needs to make
it okay to go seek counseling.
483
00:31:01,174 --> 00:31:04,409
To do that you have to
break down a male ethos
484
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:06,540
That goes back 5000 years.
485
00:31:06,545 --> 00:31:08,035
Just make it mandatory.
486
00:31:08,046 --> 00:31:10,846
You will go check
up with the shrink.
487
00:31:10,848 --> 00:31:13,178
Everybody goes and
so there's no stigma.
488
00:31:13,183 --> 00:31:14,983
The general goes and
the private goes.
489
00:31:14,984 --> 00:31:16,521
We have to start from day one,
490
00:31:16,522 --> 00:31:18,148
When they join the military,
491
00:31:18,152 --> 00:31:19,986
That it's part of the culture,
492
00:31:19,987 --> 00:31:21,247
It's part of what
they learn about,
493
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,421
It's part of what
they're evaluated for.
494
00:31:23,422 --> 00:31:25,322
But you're gonna have
to have enough shrinks.
495
00:31:25,323 --> 00:31:26,993
That's the issue.
496
00:31:30,393 --> 00:31:33,562
I used to cringe whenever
the Va went on a hiring rampage
497
00:31:33,563 --> 00:31:35,232
On behavior health specialists
498
00:31:35,233 --> 00:31:37,031
Because they would end up taking
499
00:31:37,032 --> 00:31:38,832
Many of the civilian
behavior health specialists
500
00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:40,133
That I had in the military,
501
00:31:40,134 --> 00:31:43,204
Would be lured over to
come and work with the Va.
502
00:31:43,205 --> 00:31:48,073
The problem is, the country
does not have enough.
503
00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:52,143
Well the military could've
done one very simple thing
504
00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:53,614
When the generals went to war,
505
00:31:53,615 --> 00:31:56,981
They could've
drafted more doctors.
506
00:31:56,982 --> 00:31:59,082
They could've put the word out
507
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:02,624
That colleges and universities
need to be training more
508
00:32:02,625 --> 00:32:07,190
Mental healthcare providers
to meet the demand.
509
00:32:07,191 --> 00:32:08,461
During our time in Iraq,
510
00:32:08,462 --> 00:32:11,126
We had, about halfway through,
511
00:32:11,127 --> 00:32:12,527
Combat stress training,
512
00:32:12,528 --> 00:32:15,158
Which actually I conducted
for our battalion.
513
00:32:15,163 --> 00:32:17,503
I certainly am not,
a a medical doctor
514
00:32:17,504 --> 00:32:22,498
Or B an expert on post traumatic
stress or readjustments.
515
00:32:22,502 --> 00:32:25,170
We knew that we were behind
516
00:32:25,171 --> 00:32:27,871
And when I initially
brought this up I was told
517
00:32:27,873 --> 00:32:30,413
That since I was a psychiatrist,
518
00:32:32,475 --> 00:32:36,905
I was clearly just trying to
feather-bed my own profession.
519
00:32:47,155 --> 00:32:48,115
On this base,
520
00:32:48,123 --> 00:32:49,223
I was the only credential
521
00:32:49,224 --> 00:32:52,434
Mental health provider
for 6000 marines.
522
00:32:53,527 --> 00:32:55,896
And not only meeting
the needs of the marines
523
00:32:55,897 --> 00:32:57,097
And the sailors on the base,
524
00:32:57,098 --> 00:33:00,668
But also the children
and the adolescents.
525
00:33:02,134 --> 00:33:03,904
These marines were coming
right back from Iraq
526
00:33:03,905 --> 00:33:05,303
And Afghanistan.
527
00:33:05,304 --> 00:33:09,340
They'd fly right out of the
war zone in literally one day.
528
00:33:09,341 --> 00:33:13,481
I carry a pager 24/7, 365 days.
529
00:33:15,146 --> 00:33:17,406
It was very common to
get pages and phone calls
530
00:33:17,414 --> 00:33:18,984
In the middle of the night
531
00:33:18,985 --> 00:33:21,149
About drunken, suicidal marines
532
00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:23,150
Or a domestic violence incident
533
00:33:23,152 --> 00:33:26,687
Or somebody threatening
to kill somebody.
534
00:33:26,688 --> 00:33:29,188
I asked for help
from headquarters.
535
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:32,320
I sent many point
papers up the chains.
536
00:33:34,993 --> 00:33:36,993
Never amounted to much.
537
00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:44,568
The workload doubled every year.
538
00:33:44,569 --> 00:33:48,199
I could not keep up
with the numbers.
539
00:33:48,205 --> 00:33:51,135
I would squeeze in as
many patients as possible.
540
00:33:51,141 --> 00:33:53,541
But even then, follow
ups would be a month
541
00:33:53,543 --> 00:33:55,283
Or two months later.
542
00:33:56,344 --> 00:33:59,246
Marines were quite
upset and very tearful,
543
00:33:59,247 --> 00:34:01,177
That they needed help right now
544
00:34:01,182 --> 00:34:02,452
And there was nothing
I could do about it,
545
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:05,349
There was no other resources.
546
00:34:05,351 --> 00:34:08,451
A lot of these marines never
got the help that they needed
547
00:34:08,454 --> 00:34:11,124
And left the marine corps
in a lot worse shape
548
00:34:11,125 --> 00:34:14,063
Than they ever could've been in.
549
00:34:16,059 --> 00:34:18,289
It led me to file
a formal grievance
550
00:34:18,295 --> 00:34:22,125
Of the department of defense
inspector's general office
551
00:34:22,132 --> 00:34:24,102
For gross mismanagement
that was harming
552
00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:27,330
Hundreds of thousands
of veterans.
553
00:34:27,336 --> 00:34:31,436
I didn't get a favorable
response from it.
554
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,176
I didn't get any
response from it.
555
00:34:35,177 --> 00:34:37,007
The government doesn't love you.
556
00:34:38,246 --> 00:34:40,676
The government isn't
designed to love you.
557
00:34:40,681 --> 00:34:43,081
Government agencies
don't love people.
558
00:34:43,083 --> 00:34:44,452
They treat people like numbers
559
00:34:44,453 --> 00:34:46,251
And they treat people
like statistics.
560
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:55,190
What makes this set
of wars different,
561
00:34:55,193 --> 00:34:58,133
Is the level of combat exposure.
562
00:34:59,295 --> 00:35:00,725
Go!
563
00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:03,630
Orders of magnitude above
what any of our troops
564
00:35:03,632 --> 00:35:06,772
Spent in world war I, world
war ii or even Vietnam,
565
00:35:06,773 --> 00:35:10,168
As difficult as
those conflicts were.
566
00:35:10,171 --> 00:35:12,871
This is the first long war
567
00:35:12,873 --> 00:35:16,673
That our country has fought
with a professional force
568
00:35:16,676 --> 00:35:20,336
Where individuals truly
do volunteer for service,
569
00:35:20,346 --> 00:35:22,346
Rather than being drafted.
570
00:35:22,348 --> 00:35:23,848
There was a draft.
571
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:28,249
It was the most unfair draft
in United States history.
572
00:35:29,853 --> 00:35:32,288
And the draft was stop loss.
573
00:35:32,289 --> 00:35:35,319
This is involuntary,
totally involuntary.
574
00:35:35,325 --> 00:35:37,185
They'd been asked repeatably
575
00:35:37,193 --> 00:35:39,193
To do multiple deployments
576
00:35:39,195 --> 00:35:41,355
In a very non-linear
kind of fight
577
00:35:41,363 --> 00:35:45,232
Where you can't escape
the enemy at any time.
578
00:35:45,233 --> 00:35:48,201
They spend a year
followed by another year
579
00:35:48,202 --> 00:35:49,902
Followed by another year.
580
00:35:49,903 --> 00:35:53,203
Another day man, another day.
581
00:35:53,206 --> 00:35:55,236
This was one of the
differences that I had
582
00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:57,241
With some of the
senior army guys,
583
00:35:57,243 --> 00:36:00,683
They said, "these guys know
that this could happen to them."
584
00:36:00,684 --> 00:36:02,346
But I felt like,
585
00:36:02,347 --> 00:36:05,177
If a guy thinks the end
of his tour's comin' up
586
00:36:05,183 --> 00:36:06,720
And he's planning for that
587
00:36:06,721 --> 00:36:08,247
And his family's
planning for that
588
00:36:08,251 --> 00:36:11,920
And then all of a sudden to
be told you gotta stay in,
589
00:36:11,921 --> 00:36:15,391
Has gotta be a morale
downer of it's own.
590
00:36:22,295 --> 00:36:24,195
I'm a three time Iraqi freedom,
591
00:36:24,197 --> 00:36:26,827
Operation enduring
freedom veteran.
592
00:36:26,832 --> 00:36:30,901
I served for six years with
the 101st airborne division.
593
00:36:30,902 --> 00:36:35,342
This is the first time I've
seen my plaque on the wall.
594
00:36:37,406 --> 00:36:40,666
Between my second and
third tour I was lost.
595
00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:43,776
It was really hard to
gear up for another one
596
00:36:43,779 --> 00:36:45,679
And to get back into
that frame of mind
597
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,210
And put everything else aside.
598
00:36:47,214 --> 00:36:50,316
And have to see it
cycle after cycle
599
00:36:50,317 --> 00:36:52,847
Was very difficult to deal with.
600
00:36:53,918 --> 00:36:56,618
I had two children
that were born
601
00:36:57,754 --> 00:37:01,357
While I was overseas on
two different occasions
602
00:37:01,358 --> 00:37:03,358
And kinda got too much.
603
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:07,260
Pretty soon it gets
to a point where,
604
00:37:09,664 --> 00:37:12,400
How many times can
you roll the dice?
605
00:37:12,401 --> 00:37:14,331
Or you start seeing
guys get hit.
606
00:37:14,336 --> 00:37:15,966
Your friends don't
come back with you
607
00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:17,400
And that sort of thing
608
00:37:17,404 --> 00:37:21,414
And you start asking
yourself, how many times?
609
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,479
Just because somebody
dedicates their life
610
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,580
And service to a cause,
611
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:33,222
Doesn't mean you have
to call them out on it
612
00:37:33,223 --> 00:37:35,477
Over and over and over again.
613
00:37:36,451 --> 00:37:37,720
You just feel it coming,
614
00:37:37,721 --> 00:37:39,689
It's like a black
shade coming over
615
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:42,287
You can't do anything about.
616
00:37:47,726 --> 00:37:50,986
What troops went through
with extended tour,
617
00:37:50,996 --> 00:37:53,526
With repeat tours is reminiscent
618
00:37:53,531 --> 00:37:55,831
Of what prisoners
of war went through
619
00:37:55,833 --> 00:38:00,303
Who were in Vietnamese
camps, year after year
620
00:38:00,304 --> 00:38:03,714
With this constant sense
of helplessness and anxiety
621
00:38:03,715 --> 00:38:05,937
That just never went away.
622
00:38:24,323 --> 00:38:27,263
The anniversary was coming up.
623
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:30,030
The weeks leading up to that
624
00:38:30,031 --> 00:38:32,699
I didn't sleep for five days.
625
00:38:33,864 --> 00:38:37,374
Went to the doctor,
they gave me pills.
626
00:38:39,301 --> 00:38:41,271
It was a way to escape.
627
00:38:42,303 --> 00:38:44,603
It was a way to numb.
628
00:38:44,606 --> 00:38:47,006
It became all I cared about.
629
00:38:48,675 --> 00:38:52,035
It's too easy to just
hand out the pills.
630
00:38:52,046 --> 00:38:54,806
And the number of pills
these guys are taking.
631
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:57,045
They've got pills to
get to sleep at night,
632
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:58,680
They've got pills to wake up
633
00:38:58,684 --> 00:39:01,284
They've got pills to stay alert.
634
00:39:08,591 --> 00:39:11,060
There is a tendency
to use medication
635
00:39:11,061 --> 00:39:13,731
When you don't have enough
behavior health specialists
636
00:39:13,732 --> 00:39:17,060
Who can do the treatments
that do not include medication
637
00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:19,996
That have proven to be
very very effective.
638
00:39:20,002 --> 00:39:23,002
Psychotropic drugs
does not bring them back
639
00:39:23,005 --> 00:39:24,965
Into a social setting.
640
00:39:24,973 --> 00:39:28,608
Does not bring them back
into a quality of life.
641
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:31,039
In fact I think that
that is a leading cause
642
00:39:31,044 --> 00:39:33,984
Of this fog we're going through.
643
00:39:36,513 --> 00:39:39,853
We have to remove the
pathology associated with this
644
00:39:39,854 --> 00:39:43,750
And realize what these service
members are going through
645
00:39:43,753 --> 00:39:46,753
Are normal human reactions.
646
00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:50,656
As soon as we define
it as a medical problem,
647
00:39:50,659 --> 00:39:53,459
It's easy to
dismiss the soldier.
648
00:39:56,396 --> 00:39:59,526
There's something
wrong with his brain.
649
00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:03,773
We have to stop referring to
veterans who are traumatized
650
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:07,770
As sick, and look
at them more as,
651
00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:10,673
They are holding
something for us.
652
00:40:11,841 --> 00:40:12,841
The guilt.
653
00:40:16,711 --> 00:40:17,711
The shame.
654
00:40:20,914 --> 00:40:22,354
The confusion.
655
00:40:25,451 --> 00:40:26,751
The fog of war.
656
00:40:29,121 --> 00:40:33,091
How do we approach it in
a non-medical, social,
657
00:40:33,092 --> 00:40:34,122
Political way?
658
00:40:38,095 --> 00:40:41,425
Somehow we've got the idea
that combat is like football.
659
00:40:41,432 --> 00:40:43,432
When people come
back from a war,
660
00:40:43,434 --> 00:40:45,974
It's not something
that you cheer about
661
00:40:45,975 --> 00:40:49,499
Like your team just won
the state championship.
662
00:40:49,505 --> 00:40:52,035
When you win the
state championship
663
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,740
There aren't dead kids
and destroyed cities
664
00:40:55,743 --> 00:40:59,143
And maimed bodies
and dead friends.
665
00:40:59,146 --> 00:41:02,546
There shouldn't
be cheering ever,
666
00:41:02,549 --> 00:41:05,449
It's not something
to cheer about.
667
00:41:11,789 --> 00:41:13,157
Several years ago,
668
00:41:13,158 --> 00:41:17,127
I was visiting a well respected
psychologist at the Va
669
00:41:17,128 --> 00:41:19,696
And he just had
this sort of dark,
670
00:41:19,697 --> 00:41:22,097
Kind of foreboding look
and I pulled him aside
671
00:41:22,099 --> 00:41:23,129
And I said, "what's up?"
672
00:41:23,133 --> 00:41:24,703
And he shook his head, he said,
673
00:41:24,704 --> 00:41:28,570
"this generation is
going to be lost."
674
00:41:28,571 --> 00:41:30,771
He felt they were
just shoveling people
675
00:41:30,773 --> 00:41:32,406
Through the system.
676
00:41:32,407 --> 00:41:34,537
People weren't getting
what they needed.
677
00:41:34,542 --> 00:41:36,809
The waits were too long.
678
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:40,479
The VA and the
DOD, even to this day
679
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,148
Have difficulty
working together.
680
00:41:43,149 --> 00:41:45,149
So this took a long
time to coordinate,
681
00:41:45,151 --> 00:41:47,621
Not only between the domestic
world and the military
682
00:41:47,622 --> 00:41:48,890
But even within the military,
683
00:41:48,891 --> 00:41:50,787
Between the Va and the DOD.
684
00:41:50,788 --> 00:41:54,118
There was not a lot
being spoken about.
685
00:41:55,991 --> 00:42:00,128
We knew of horrific
first hand accounts,
686
00:42:00,129 --> 00:42:04,159
Of veterans who went to
Va one, two, three times,
687
00:42:04,166 --> 00:42:06,896
Trying to get mental
health care, only to go out
688
00:42:06,902 --> 00:42:09,942
To a Va parking lot and
literally blow their brains out
689
00:42:09,943 --> 00:42:11,068
In their car.
690
00:42:13,139 --> 00:42:15,739
I remember my first
cabinet meeting.
691
00:42:15,742 --> 00:42:17,580
The secretary of
veteran's affairs
692
00:42:17,581 --> 00:42:19,037
Comes up to introduce himself
693
00:42:19,045 --> 00:42:22,005
And I said to him, you
must be overwhelmed,
694
00:42:22,014 --> 00:42:24,548
I know we are in DOD.
695
00:42:24,549 --> 00:42:27,979
And he said, "no we've got
it completely under control."
696
00:42:27,985 --> 00:42:29,545
Any head of a
government department
697
00:42:29,553 --> 00:42:31,923
That says he's got
everything under control
698
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:34,022
Is either a liar or delusional
699
00:42:34,024 --> 00:42:37,064
And I don't think
this guy was a liar.
700
00:42:38,126 --> 00:42:40,526
Even in the navy in 2005, 2006,
701
00:42:40,529 --> 00:42:43,629
And I'm the head of the
navy at this point in time,
702
00:42:43,632 --> 00:42:46,802
Mental health wasn't
something that was out there
703
00:42:46,803 --> 00:42:51,041
On the front pages at that
particular point in time.
704
00:42:53,072 --> 00:42:57,909
I kept reading about the
Va and military officials
705
00:42:57,910 --> 00:43:00,980
Testifying that
everything was fine.
706
00:43:01,878 --> 00:43:03,778
I got fed up with it.
707
00:43:06,149 --> 00:43:09,179
In 2006 I was
invited to go speak
708
00:43:09,186 --> 00:43:12,246
At a large medical
military conference.
709
00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:15,285
I decided to take
that as an opportunity
710
00:43:15,291 --> 00:43:17,291
To publicly speak out
711
00:43:17,293 --> 00:43:20,862
And I knew the military is
not gonna take very kindly
712
00:43:20,863 --> 00:43:25,103
About someone who's speaking
out in a critical nature.
713
00:43:26,166 --> 00:43:28,126
But the navy has
a code of conduct
714
00:43:28,135 --> 00:43:30,265
About honor, courage
and commitment,
715
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:32,200
Being always faithful.
716
00:43:32,205 --> 00:43:34,835
I felt we were not
being faithful.
717
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,210
We were leaving people behind.
718
00:43:39,076 --> 00:43:40,906
I would not be a true marine
719
00:43:40,912 --> 00:43:42,882
If I did not speak out.
720
00:43:45,748 --> 00:43:47,078
I knew eyes wide open
721
00:43:47,083 --> 00:43:49,383
That if this repeats itself,
722
00:43:49,385 --> 00:43:53,185
I am as responsible as the folks
who could've done something
723
00:43:53,188 --> 00:43:54,188
And didn't.
724
00:44:02,092 --> 00:44:04,062
There were 200 military
medical professionals
725
00:44:04,063 --> 00:44:05,661
In the audience
726
00:44:05,662 --> 00:44:08,162
And I pretty much laid it out.
727
00:44:08,164 --> 00:44:12,404
How we are failing to implement
basic war trauma needs.
728
00:44:15,069 --> 00:44:18,169
Stars and stripes runs the story
729
00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:21,113
And then USA today picked it up.
730
00:44:30,416 --> 00:44:33,176
I received an email from
my commanding officer
731
00:44:33,186 --> 00:44:36,986
To cease any other
communication with the media
732
00:44:36,989 --> 00:44:40,819
And headquarters was preparing
a public affairs guidance
733
00:44:40,826 --> 00:44:43,086
In how to deal with the
communication aspects
734
00:44:43,094 --> 00:44:44,334
Of my message.
735
00:44:47,697 --> 00:44:52,297
It has several pages worth
of distortions and some spin
736
00:44:52,301 --> 00:44:54,701
And some outright lies.
737
00:44:54,703 --> 00:44:57,273
"Navy marine corps leadership
are committed at every level
738
00:44:57,274 --> 00:44:59,072
"to the issue of mental health.
739
00:44:59,073 --> 00:45:01,773
"They are proactively
addressing mental health needs
740
00:45:01,775 --> 00:45:03,265
"with early
intervention and work
741
00:45:03,276 --> 00:45:06,376
"to build resilience prior
to combat deployments."
742
00:45:06,379 --> 00:45:08,079
That is not true.
743
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,780
"Navy medicine is working
744
00:45:09,781 --> 00:45:12,921
"to increase the number of
providers where needed."
745
00:45:12,922 --> 00:45:14,447
Categorically false,
746
00:45:15,884 --> 00:45:19,087
Because next month
I get this memo,
747
00:45:19,088 --> 00:45:22,088
Informing us that the navy
was going to eliminate
748
00:45:22,091 --> 00:45:24,121
It's social workers.
749
00:45:24,126 --> 00:45:26,756
Military social workers,
750
00:45:26,761 --> 00:45:29,901
That are no longer
gonna be employed.
751
00:45:31,264 --> 00:45:34,133
The part of the department
of defense that I had
752
00:45:34,134 --> 00:45:36,101
The biggest problems with,
753
00:45:36,102 --> 00:45:39,202
The whole four and a half
years I was secretary
754
00:45:39,205 --> 00:45:41,405
Was personnel and readiness.
755
00:45:42,473 --> 00:45:45,313
All these problems come
under their auspices
756
00:45:45,314 --> 00:45:49,110
And it was a source of
continuing frustration.
757
00:45:49,113 --> 00:45:51,183
And it's the one area
where I feel like
758
00:45:51,184 --> 00:45:53,811
I failed to get
the changes there
759
00:45:53,816 --> 00:45:56,176
That I thought were necessary.
760
00:46:02,823 --> 00:46:05,223
If you killed yourself 121 days
761
00:46:05,226 --> 00:46:07,986
After you were discharged
from the military,
762
00:46:07,995 --> 00:46:11,055
We don't even count you
as a suicide statistic
763
00:46:11,064 --> 00:46:12,464
In the military.
764
00:46:13,865 --> 00:46:15,495
Too many young ones kill
765
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,100
Themselves beyond
that 121 day mark,
766
00:46:18,102 --> 00:46:22,142
Their suicide is directly related
to their military service.
767
00:46:39,886 --> 00:46:43,246
I had lost everything
that I'd ever had.
768
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,990
My marriage had disintegrated,
769
00:46:47,993 --> 00:46:49,833
I'd lost my children.
770
00:46:51,128 --> 00:46:52,528
I'd lost my job.
771
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:01,540
I had been through all these
changes with my beliefs.
772
00:47:05,107 --> 00:47:09,337
I went from searching for
god, to searching for science,
773
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:14,376
To searching for humanity
774
00:47:16,015 --> 00:47:17,375
And that was about the time
775
00:47:17,384 --> 00:47:19,854
When we started saying
why did we go to fight?
776
00:47:19,855 --> 00:47:23,093
And that started
messing with my head.
777
00:47:26,224 --> 00:47:28,794
Destroyed everything I wanted.
778
00:47:30,461 --> 00:47:33,461
And I didn't really
know who I was.
779
00:47:37,066 --> 00:47:38,796
I had a 357 revolver
780
00:47:40,135 --> 00:47:44,365
And I put two rounds in
the cylinder and I spun it.
781
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:53,339
It hurt right here, in my heart.
782
00:47:53,346 --> 00:47:56,546
I didn't wanna shoot my face,
I didn't wanna shoot my head,
783
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:59,149
I wanted to get shot
right in the chest.
784
00:47:59,151 --> 00:48:01,421
I wanted my heart to explode.
785
00:48:03,086 --> 00:48:07,316
So, I spun the chamber and I
pointed the gun to my chest
786
00:48:08,891 --> 00:48:13,061
And I pulled the trigger and
it fell on an empty cylinder.
787
00:48:17,065 --> 00:48:20,465
And then I pulled
the trigger again.
788
00:48:20,469 --> 00:48:24,238
Then when it came down to pulling
the trigger a third time,
789
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,269
The shot that
would've killed me,
790
00:48:29,976 --> 00:48:32,936
I couldn't do it,
I was too scared.
791
00:48:40,451 --> 00:48:44,121
The pentagon and the
Va are losing the battle
792
00:48:44,122 --> 00:48:46,160
On mental and behavioral health.
793
00:48:46,161 --> 00:48:48,617
Part of it is bureaucratic,
part of it is systems,
794
00:48:48,626 --> 00:48:51,886
Part of it is just
the complicated.
795
00:48:51,895 --> 00:48:54,055
You can't imagine what it
sounds like to hear that.
796
00:48:54,063 --> 00:48:55,163
Bureaucratic.
797
00:48:55,164 --> 00:48:57,064
I mean if you're in this system
798
00:48:57,065 --> 00:49:00,095
That's not the word
you wanna hear.
799
00:49:00,101 --> 00:49:01,501
Part of the problem is,
800
00:49:01,502 --> 00:49:04,902
That when the congress wants
to take a look at a problem,
801
00:49:04,905 --> 00:49:08,405
They wanna first find
somebody to blame.
802
00:49:08,408 --> 00:49:12,477
The congress I think has
very little understanding
803
00:49:12,478 --> 00:49:15,148
About how bureaucracies work.
804
00:49:18,916 --> 00:49:22,046
In 2010, I saw the
war supplementals
805
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:25,088
Were going to disappear.
806
00:49:25,089 --> 00:49:29,389
PTS programs, family programs
in those supplementals,
807
00:49:29,393 --> 00:49:32,193
I moved them all
into the base budget
808
00:49:32,195 --> 00:49:34,625
Believing that we would
need these programs
809
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:37,360
Long after these wars were over.
810
00:49:38,532 --> 00:49:40,166
Well go figure.
811
00:49:40,167 --> 00:49:43,667
These programs to help our
warriors and their families
812
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:46,370
Under sequestration are
cut at the same level
813
00:49:46,372 --> 00:49:50,612
As the least important thing
the defense department does.
814
00:49:53,176 --> 00:49:54,306
It's madness.
815
00:49:55,277 --> 00:49:58,207
It just felt like there was no,
816
00:49:58,214 --> 00:50:01,950
No way of reasoning
with the system
817
00:50:01,951 --> 00:50:06,191
Who's bureaucracy was set up
to support business as usual,
818
00:50:07,387 --> 00:50:11,087
Rather that to support
the troops and the war
819
00:50:11,091 --> 00:50:14,491
That we were
currently engaged in.
820
00:50:14,494 --> 00:50:16,294
The nature of
military mental health
821
00:50:16,295 --> 00:50:19,495
Is that it's a completely
fragmented, disconnected system.
822
00:50:19,498 --> 00:50:22,366
There needs to be a
priority established
823
00:50:22,367 --> 00:50:25,697
For military mental health
care, that is not there.
824
00:50:29,173 --> 00:50:32,013
In the military we have
things that are called corps.
825
00:50:32,014 --> 00:50:34,939
For each profession
that show an identity
826
00:50:34,945 --> 00:50:39,345
That there's a priority
developing these professionals.
827
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:43,318
There are dozens of
centers of lessons learned
828
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:46,289
Policies of lessons
learned about what worked,
829
00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:48,618
What didn't, to incorporate that
830
00:50:48,623 --> 00:50:50,323
Into institutional memory.
831
00:50:50,324 --> 00:50:54,226
To have that become
part of the DNA.
832
00:50:54,227 --> 00:50:56,057
Every branch of the service
833
00:50:56,062 --> 00:50:58,029
Has a medical corps,
834
00:50:58,030 --> 00:50:59,597
A nursing corps,
835
00:50:59,598 --> 00:51:01,528
A chaplain corps,
836
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:03,433
A legal corps,
837
00:51:03,434 --> 00:51:05,334
A supply corps,
838
00:51:05,335 --> 00:51:08,165
There is no mental health corps.
839
00:51:08,171 --> 00:51:11,341
We don't even identify it
as something significant
840
00:51:11,342 --> 00:51:15,109
Or important enough to
have it's own corps.
841
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:18,479
Mental health
professionals are split.
842
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,449
Psychiatry is assigned
to the medical corps.
843
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:25,218
The psychologists and
the social workers
844
00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:28,089
Go into what's called the
medical services corps
845
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:30,248
And they're lumped in
with 20 some odd different
846
00:51:30,256 --> 00:51:32,156
Types of professionals.
847
00:51:32,157 --> 00:51:34,987
Many of them are administrators
running the hospital.
848
00:51:34,993 --> 00:51:37,333
Social workers,
psychologists, psychiatrists
849
00:51:37,334 --> 00:51:40,528
Don't have a coordinated
policy on training.
850
00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:43,131
Or provide the same kind
of standardized care
851
00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:45,773
In terms of how do you
assess and diagnose?
852
00:51:45,774 --> 00:51:48,837
Nobody's in charge
of mental health.
853
00:51:48,838 --> 00:51:50,268
In order to have
854
00:51:50,272 --> 00:51:52,341
As much emphasis put
on behavioral treatment
855
00:51:52,342 --> 00:51:55,310
As is on physical treatment,
needs to be broken out
856
00:51:55,311 --> 00:51:57,509
And it needs to be separate.
857
00:52:11,723 --> 00:52:16,293
I was on a lockdown ward
for almost two months.
858
00:52:16,295 --> 00:52:19,325
They had me on eight
medications at a time
859
00:52:19,331 --> 00:52:20,761
And cognitive therapy.
860
00:52:20,765 --> 00:52:21,695
It just wouldn't click for me,
861
00:52:21,699 --> 00:52:24,267
Wouldn't click, wouldn't click.
862
00:52:24,268 --> 00:52:26,428
When I got out I
wasn't able to really
863
00:52:26,436 --> 00:52:28,396
Integrate with society too well
864
00:52:28,404 --> 00:52:30,904
So I went and lived
in the mountains.
865
00:52:30,906 --> 00:52:33,166
I slept outside.
866
00:52:33,174 --> 00:52:37,414
I slept more nights on the
ground than I did in a bed.
867
00:52:38,511 --> 00:52:41,851
I came back here, got online
and first thing I read
868
00:52:41,852 --> 00:52:44,878
Was how Lou had found
the Kachadoorians
869
00:52:44,884 --> 00:52:47,552
And how he was gonna
go and meet them.
870
00:52:47,553 --> 00:52:48,793
I was shocked.
871
00:52:49,887 --> 00:52:51,787
Hello Nora.
872
00:52:51,789 --> 00:52:53,919
I was a member of fox company,
873
00:52:53,924 --> 00:52:56,692
Second battalion, 23rd marines.
874
00:52:56,693 --> 00:52:58,633
One night when I
wasn't sleeping,
875
00:52:58,634 --> 00:53:02,258
I decided to send a video
to the Kachadoorian family.
876
00:53:02,264 --> 00:53:03,904
I often think of that day
877
00:53:03,905 --> 00:53:08,328
And I feel like I have a
chance to actually reach out
878
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:10,230
And meet you.
879
00:53:10,834 --> 00:53:13,937
I hope you understand that,
880
00:53:13,938 --> 00:53:16,668
For me it's not a
question of whether or not
881
00:53:16,674 --> 00:53:19,174
Me and my friends did the
right thing that night
882
00:53:19,176 --> 00:53:21,336
Or if we could've tried harder
883
00:53:21,344 --> 00:53:23,714
Not to shoot at your vehicles.
884
00:53:25,714 --> 00:53:29,217
None of that to me
could be changed.
885
00:53:29,218 --> 00:53:32,518
I need to talk to
you if you'll let me.
886
00:53:40,461 --> 00:53:44,261
I didn't hear anything
back for a week.
887
00:53:44,265 --> 00:53:45,355
Two weeks.
888
00:53:49,702 --> 00:53:52,272
I needed to take another step.
889
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:08,222
I noticed a message from
a guy named Lou Lobello.
890
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:12,790
"Dexter can you please get
in touch with me, please.
891
00:54:12,791 --> 00:54:17,231
"I think it would really
help me if you did, please."
892
00:54:23,366 --> 00:54:24,766
Hey I'm Dexter.
893
00:54:24,767 --> 00:54:27,327
He said, "look I've been trying
to kind the Kachadoorians
894
00:54:27,336 --> 00:54:29,736
"for years, I've done
a lot of work on this
895
00:54:29,738 --> 00:54:32,238
"and you could tell he
was just obsessed."
896
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:33,410
Come on in.
897
00:54:34,673 --> 00:54:36,441
He said, "I'm not really sure
898
00:54:36,442 --> 00:54:38,782
"but I think the Kachadoorians
are just living up the road
899
00:54:38,783 --> 00:54:41,807
"like an hour and a half
from here, in California."
900
00:54:41,813 --> 00:54:44,551
"so I just can't go
knocking on that door.
901
00:54:44,552 --> 00:54:46,279
"If it is that
Kachadoorians you know
902
00:54:46,284 --> 00:54:48,684
"maybe they're gonna
wanna shoot me."
903
00:54:48,686 --> 00:54:53,386
And he's just like, "I'm afraid
to do it, can you help me?"
904
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:55,958
You can practically
see the demons
905
00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:59,428
Just raging around
inside of him.
906
00:54:59,429 --> 00:55:02,297
It really hurt
him what happened.
907
00:55:02,298 --> 00:55:05,767
It just fractured him in
a really fundamental way.
908
00:55:05,768 --> 00:55:07,998
And he just was like,
"I gotta do this,
909
00:55:08,003 --> 00:55:11,673
"even if it's gonna
hurt, I gotta do it."
910
00:55:13,739 --> 00:55:17,008
One way or another I got the
Kachadoorian's phone number.
911
00:55:17,009 --> 00:55:20,578
I said, "look there's somebody
who wants to meet you."
912
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:24,479
Nora's husband was very
uncomfortable with the whole thing.
913
00:55:24,482 --> 00:55:26,352
He said, "you know if anybody
did this to my family,
914
00:55:26,353 --> 00:55:27,580
"I'd kill 'em."
915
00:55:27,584 --> 00:55:29,284
In the middle east you
know, an eye for an eye
916
00:55:29,285 --> 00:55:32,315
And boy in Iraq
like nowhere else.
917
00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:35,389
I advised him not to go for it.
918
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:37,860
Let's see, somebody
comes and kills your mom,
919
00:55:37,861 --> 00:55:39,828
Your dad, your brother
and your sister
920
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:42,357
And then they come back
and see you 10 years later
921
00:55:42,362 --> 00:55:44,032
And say hey can you forgive me?
922
00:55:44,033 --> 00:55:47,899
What exactly do you
think you would say?
923
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:50,370
I said, "you know he's
just got a big heart.
924
00:55:50,371 --> 00:55:54,399
"He's a sensitive guy, he
really really wants to come."
925
00:55:55,938 --> 00:55:58,668
They said, "okay, let him come."
926
00:56:05,544 --> 00:56:08,554
Lou was terrified,
I was terrified.
927
00:56:09,848 --> 00:56:11,778
I just thought this is
either gonna go really well
928
00:56:11,784 --> 00:56:14,354
Or it's gonna go really badly.
929
00:56:17,087 --> 00:56:21,017
As I walked up,
I see the door's open.
930
00:56:21,025 --> 00:56:23,925
I see Margaret and
Nora lean over.
931
00:56:25,494 --> 00:56:29,104
The moment Lou saw
them, he started crying.
932
00:56:35,535 --> 00:56:38,335
I said, "I'm sorry.
933
00:56:38,338 --> 00:56:41,108
"I just wanna
recognize your loss."
934
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,110
there on the
mantle right next to us
935
00:56:44,111 --> 00:56:46,677
Was the photograph
of the three men,
936
00:56:46,678 --> 00:56:51,048
Margaret's husband and her
two sons who'd been killed.
937
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:53,817
They asked, "why
did you shoot?"
938
00:56:53,818 --> 00:56:56,588
I said, "we didn't want
our friends to die.
939
00:56:56,589 --> 00:56:58,047
"We love our friends."
940
00:56:58,055 --> 00:56:59,415
And the mom kind of made it.
941
00:56:59,423 --> 00:57:02,623
She said, "so do you
feel better now?"
942
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:08,700
Lou said, "look, I suffer,
I'm suffering because of this."
943
00:57:10,065 --> 00:57:13,365
Margaret would say, "well
I suffer more than you."
944
00:57:13,369 --> 00:57:14,999
And he'd say, "but
I never sleep,"
945
00:57:15,003 --> 00:57:17,003
And she'd say, "I never sleep."
946
00:57:17,005 --> 00:57:18,535
And he's like, "I'm
haunted by this,"
947
00:57:18,539 --> 00:57:21,439
And she's say,
"you have no idea."
948
00:57:22,441 --> 00:57:24,111
I knew that no matter what,
949
00:57:24,112 --> 00:57:25,879
Nora would live the
rest of her life
950
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,678
Watching her kids
grow up thinking
951
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:29,979
I wish my dad was
here to see this.
952
00:57:29,981 --> 00:57:33,121
I wish my brother
was here to see this.
953
00:57:34,684 --> 00:57:38,454
He just kept dragging it
out and it was excruciating.
954
00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:41,955
We traveled a million
miles in that room.
955
00:57:44,025 --> 00:57:46,485
But the ice started to crack.
956
00:57:52,165 --> 00:57:56,765
You could almost see
their hearts opening up.
957
00:57:56,770 --> 00:57:58,000
Taking him in.
958
00:57:59,671 --> 00:58:03,811
Margaret looked at Lou
and looked at her children
959
00:58:04,975 --> 00:58:09,405
And said, "you remind me
of my son, you remind me."
960
00:58:09,413 --> 00:58:13,153
She said, "I'm not kidding,
you're just like him."
961
00:58:21,523 --> 00:58:23,123
they teach you in the marines,
962
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:25,425
You don't leave anyone behind.
963
00:58:25,427 --> 00:58:29,127
And they were a part of our
marine corps experience in Iraq.
964
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:32,200
They were with us
on April 8th 2003.
965
00:58:33,999 --> 00:58:36,099
If I stay true to my word
966
00:58:36,102 --> 00:58:40,939
And treat them as I would
my family and my friends,
967
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:44,940
Then I feel like I've
done a good thing.
968
00:58:44,944 --> 00:58:48,084
It's an integral
part of my recovery.
969
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:53,010
I can't imagine it.
970
00:58:53,016 --> 00:58:55,946
I mean seriously, I'd
wanna freakin' kill us.
971
00:58:55,952 --> 00:58:57,992
But they don't feel
like that though man.
972
00:58:57,993 --> 00:59:01,087
I think it helped them
a lot, meeting me.
973
00:59:01,090 --> 00:59:03,690
Because it's not just
about you anyways.
974
00:59:03,692 --> 00:59:06,992
- No it's not.
- It's also about them.
975
00:59:06,995 --> 00:59:09,855
I'm so proud of
what Lou has done.
976
00:59:09,864 --> 00:59:14,867
Being able to go and get this
closure that's so important.
977
00:59:14,868 --> 00:59:17,868
But I would not have
the balls to do that.
978
00:59:17,871 --> 00:59:19,571
I don't know what to do.
979
00:59:19,572 --> 00:59:22,872
I'm freakin' lost out
there, feel empty.
980
00:59:22,875 --> 00:59:25,805
These kids have a
terrible time adjusting.
981
00:59:25,811 --> 00:59:28,179
You adjusted them to go there.
982
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:30,980
Don't you think you should
add a little readjustment
983
00:59:30,982 --> 00:59:32,612
To get them back here?
984
00:59:32,616 --> 00:59:35,246
If when I got out there had
been some kind of program,
985
00:59:35,251 --> 00:59:37,651
And I think it ought
to be mandatory.
986
00:59:37,653 --> 00:59:39,853
You're not done with
military service.
987
00:59:39,855 --> 00:59:42,515
You're just no longer active.
988
00:59:42,524 --> 00:59:46,059
Now you're in the
re-constitution phase
989
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:49,130
And part of that is
re-constitution boot-camp.
990
00:59:54,232 --> 00:59:56,502
That's what they
found out in world war ii.
991
00:59:56,503 --> 01:00:00,170
The military was just
discharging people into society
992
01:00:00,171 --> 01:00:02,271
And their families
and counseling centers
993
01:00:02,273 --> 01:00:04,007
Couldn't keep up with it.
994
01:00:04,008 --> 01:00:05,938
They're overwhelmed.
995
01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:10,946
President Roosevelt
mandated the military
996
01:00:10,947 --> 01:00:15,177
Provide mental health
treatment before discharging.
997
01:00:32,666 --> 01:00:34,096
The goal was to help people
998
01:00:34,101 --> 01:00:38,601
Get as well as they could,
before they leave the military.
999
01:00:38,605 --> 01:00:40,605
Here, the patient learns
1000
01:00:40,607 --> 01:00:42,167
To understand
something of the basic
1001
01:00:42,175 --> 01:00:44,135
Causes of his distress.
1002
01:00:47,011 --> 01:00:49,149
The film let there
be light documented
1003
01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:52,947
What the army was doing for
soldiers who returned back home
1004
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:56,020
With what we call today,
post traumatic stress.
1005
01:00:56,021 --> 01:00:58,287
Now a new way of living begins,
1006
01:00:58,288 --> 01:01:01,158
Very different from killing
and trying not to be killed.
1007
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:02,387
The movie shows how,
1008
01:01:02,391 --> 01:01:05,161
By having some kind
of reintegration camp,
1009
01:01:05,162 --> 01:01:09,200
That many do recover when
they receive maximum benefit
1010
01:01:10,197 --> 01:01:13,027
Of treatment before discharge.
1011
01:01:14,769 --> 01:01:17,869
Men, may your lives
as civilians be as worthy
1012
01:01:17,872 --> 01:01:20,212
As your record as soldiers.
1013
01:01:33,252 --> 01:01:36,188
That process for
exiting the military,
1014
01:01:36,189 --> 01:01:39,958
I don't think has been
redesigned for quite some time.
1015
01:01:39,959 --> 01:01:42,427
Can we disrupt that process
1016
01:01:42,428 --> 01:01:45,858
To really rethink
how we cut the cord?
1017
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:49,130
And what does re-assimilation
need to look like
1018
01:01:49,133 --> 01:01:51,173
And who needs to
play a roll in that.
1019
01:01:56,138 --> 01:01:59,107
You have to look at the good
non-government organizations
1020
01:01:59,108 --> 01:02:02,108
And foundations that have popped
up in the last dozen years
1021
01:02:02,111 --> 01:02:05,181
That have been
filling a lot of gaps
1022
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,349
And serving a lot of the
needs of our military
1023
01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:11,220
And their families.
1024
01:02:16,155 --> 01:02:18,115
I really didn't know too
much about the programs
1025
01:02:18,124 --> 01:02:19,194
Like save a warrior.
1026
01:02:19,195 --> 01:02:22,161
I'd never been to
a non Va program.
1027
01:02:23,493 --> 01:02:26,262
Gentlemen, this program
1028
01:02:26,263 --> 01:02:30,233
Was only designed for you,
just you, the warrior.
1029
01:02:31,098 --> 01:02:33,228
Because you deserve that.
1030
01:02:39,906 --> 01:02:41,336
You know we all this face on,
1031
01:02:41,341 --> 01:02:43,271
We're trying to keep it together
1032
01:02:43,276 --> 01:02:44,806
And I understand that.
1033
01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:47,740
I do this work because I
love the way it makes me feel
1034
01:02:47,746 --> 01:02:50,246
And my role in life is
not to share it with you.
1035
01:02:50,248 --> 01:02:53,078
I was going into a real
dark place in my own life,
1036
01:02:53,084 --> 01:02:55,452
I was suicidal for a long time.
1037
01:02:55,453 --> 01:02:59,053
I looked at some non
traditional healing modalities
1038
01:02:59,056 --> 01:03:01,056
And I thought, there's
resources available
1039
01:03:01,058 --> 01:03:03,958
That maybe aren't being
utilized to break the strategy
1040
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,190
Of a competitor,
1041
01:03:05,194 --> 01:03:08,034
In this instance the
competitor being suicide.
1042
01:03:08,035 --> 01:03:09,060
Carlos.
1043
01:03:09,064 --> 01:03:10,130
Are you open?
1044
01:03:10,131 --> 01:03:11,261
Yes.
1045
01:03:11,265 --> 01:03:13,265
Stand up and get open then.
1046
01:03:13,267 --> 01:03:15,167
Kenny are you open?
1047
01:03:15,168 --> 01:03:16,828
Definitely not closed.
1048
01:03:16,836 --> 01:03:18,396
Alright, well are
you open though?
1049
01:03:18,404 --> 01:03:20,242
I don't know I was a lineman.
1050
01:03:20,243 --> 01:03:21,369
There was a reason
1051
01:03:21,373 --> 01:03:23,273
Why they didn't let
me touch the football.
1052
01:03:24,975 --> 01:03:28,305
So every single person in
this room is here to heal.
1053
01:03:28,311 --> 01:03:31,379
This is not the medical model.
1054
01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:34,210
You're going to learn by doing.
1055
01:03:34,216 --> 01:03:37,976
You're gonna be able
to practice by doing.
1056
01:03:47,493 --> 01:03:50,193
What is suicide strategy?
1057
01:03:50,196 --> 01:03:51,296
Isolation.
1058
01:03:52,163 --> 01:03:53,233
Frustration.
1059
01:03:54,331 --> 01:03:55,331
Resentment.
1060
01:03:56,132 --> 01:03:57,399
Anger.
1061
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,930
Hurt.
1062
01:03:58,934 --> 01:03:59,967
Fear.
1063
01:03:59,968 --> 01:04:02,838
So how do I break it's strategy?
1064
01:04:08,274 --> 01:04:10,009
There you go.
1065
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:11,479
There's three
protective factors.
1066
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,878
Take your time rick.
1067
01:04:12,879 --> 01:04:15,146
Sense of usefulness.
1068
01:04:15,147 --> 01:04:17,147
Sense of belonging,
1069
01:04:17,149 --> 01:04:19,079
Avoidance of the pain of death.
1070
01:04:19,084 --> 01:04:20,150
Go with your left foot!
1071
01:04:20,151 --> 01:04:21,551
Just one of those
protective factors
1072
01:04:21,552 --> 01:04:24,192
Is enough to keep you here.
1073
01:04:26,088 --> 01:04:28,818
But once they're gone,
your fate is sealed.
1074
01:04:28,824 --> 01:04:30,057
You're gonna pick your moment
1075
01:04:30,058 --> 01:04:31,388
And that's where
I was in my life.
1076
01:04:31,392 --> 01:04:33,126
Come on Kenny!
1077
01:04:33,127 --> 01:04:34,357
You got me?
1078
01:04:34,361 --> 01:04:37,061
You can trust me brother.
1079
01:04:42,033 --> 01:04:43,868
The ropes
course builds community.
1080
01:04:43,869 --> 01:04:45,539
Dude don't worry
about it, he's gotcha.
1081
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:47,097
There's the sense of safety
1082
01:04:47,105 --> 01:04:50,305
And I'm back in the
circle of warriors.
1083
01:04:50,308 --> 01:04:52,138
Nice job.
1084
01:04:52,977 --> 01:04:54,907
- Yeah!
- Nice!
1085
01:04:54,912 --> 01:04:58,247
- Relax your arms man.
- Aye yai yai.
1086
01:04:58,248 --> 01:04:59,578
There you go.
1087
01:05:05,085 --> 01:05:09,245
- Take a break man.
- Take that load off your arm.
1088
01:05:11,157 --> 01:05:14,187
I wanna come down.
1089
01:05:19,329 --> 01:05:21,099
Good job.
1090
01:05:23,866 --> 01:05:26,526
There's historical
precedent for this work.
1091
01:05:26,536 --> 01:05:29,066
Warriors did this in times past
1092
01:05:29,071 --> 01:05:31,911
And where we've really
short changed ourselves
1093
01:05:31,912 --> 01:05:34,537
Is moving away from
some of the more
1094
01:05:34,542 --> 01:05:38,382
Powerfully spiritual
warrior type ceremonies.
1095
01:05:55,192 --> 01:05:57,592
Flew into rapid city
and met up with Phil.
1096
01:05:57,595 --> 01:05:58,925
Will?
1097
01:05:58,929 --> 01:05:59,929
- Yes sir.
- Nice to meet ya.
1098
01:05:59,930 --> 01:06:01,160
Nice to meet you.
1099
01:06:01,164 --> 01:06:04,064
Went driving through
south Dakota.
1100
01:06:27,052 --> 01:06:29,592
Man this is a
beautiful place isn't it?
1101
01:06:29,593 --> 01:06:31,518
Absolutely beautiful.
1102
01:06:31,523 --> 01:06:33,963
It's awe inspiring really.
1103
01:06:47,136 --> 01:06:50,966
A lot of veterans carry
those war wounds back
1104
01:06:52,207 --> 01:06:56,437
And there's not much of a
place to share those wounds.
1105
01:06:57,945 --> 01:07:00,375
We still have to go
through a healing process.
1106
01:07:00,381 --> 01:07:04,621
We are gonna do Lakota style
and see how deep we can go
1107
01:07:05,484 --> 01:07:08,194
With one another as brothers.
1108
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:15,189
Whenever we have a veteran
that comes back from war,
1109
01:07:15,193 --> 01:07:20,030
The community gathers together
for a healing ceremony.
1110
01:07:20,031 --> 01:07:23,201
A lot of times our warriors
come back unbalanced,
1111
01:07:23,202 --> 01:07:24,700
They're not the same.
1112
01:07:24,701 --> 01:07:28,170
Once they see something
that's not used to seeing
1113
01:07:28,171 --> 01:07:32,211
On a daily basis, their spirit
is separated form their body.
1114
01:07:34,275 --> 01:07:38,105
So these ceremonies are done
to call their spirit back.
1115
01:07:38,113 --> 01:07:40,253
That way they can
go back into society
1116
01:07:40,254 --> 01:07:42,448
Without having any problems.
1117
01:07:44,017 --> 01:07:46,486
A man maybe full of tears,
1118
01:07:46,487 --> 01:07:49,017
But he never had
to learn an avenue
1119
01:07:49,022 --> 01:07:51,490
How to share those tears.
1120
01:07:51,491 --> 01:07:56,361
So if we want to kick-start
that emotional communication
1121
01:07:56,362 --> 01:08:00,032
Channel that can
open us up inside.
1122
01:08:06,536 --> 01:08:10,006
In the Lakota culture,
it is a warrior society,
1123
01:08:10,007 --> 01:08:14,076
So there is an honoring
their automatically.
1124
01:08:14,077 --> 01:08:17,107
The veterans lead
different ceremonies.
1125
01:08:17,113 --> 01:08:20,213
The veterans are out
front and honored.
1126
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:25,279
Nowadays and the
days of my ancestors,
1127
01:08:25,285 --> 01:08:27,745
The community always
stood together
1128
01:08:27,754 --> 01:08:30,194
In support of one another.
1129
01:08:35,659 --> 01:08:39,729
The lack of rituals in our
society really affects guys.
1130
01:08:39,730 --> 01:08:42,100
They're built up on
a squad mentality
1131
01:08:42,101 --> 01:08:44,169
And then they get
out as individuals
1132
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:46,167
And now what do you do?
1133
01:08:49,203 --> 01:08:51,743
The battleground's right here.
1134
01:09:02,081 --> 01:09:04,151
We're gonna be
doing a wild horse round up
1135
01:09:04,152 --> 01:09:06,518
Over the next couple days.
1136
01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:08,719
The horses out here
are rescue horses
1137
01:09:08,721 --> 01:09:12,190
That have been
neglected, abused.
1138
01:09:12,191 --> 01:09:14,221
We'll be going
through them one by one,
1139
01:09:14,226 --> 01:09:15,686
Photographing them.
1140
01:09:15,694 --> 01:09:19,134
And keeping their
information current.
1141
01:09:23,166 --> 01:09:25,326
We're sureing up the fences
1142
01:09:25,335 --> 01:09:29,265
So the horses don't break
out and scatter to the wind.
1143
01:09:29,272 --> 01:09:31,272
Everybody working as a team,
1144
01:09:31,274 --> 01:09:33,144
Everybody communicating well,
1145
01:09:33,145 --> 01:09:37,612
It was just like having a
successful mission in the army.
1146
01:09:37,613 --> 01:09:40,481
All the skills I
learned as a young NCO
1147
01:09:40,482 --> 01:09:42,422
That I had tried
to forget about,
1148
01:09:42,423 --> 01:09:46,117
Sometimes they're applicable
all over our lives
1149
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,350
In such a positive manner.
1150
01:10:19,247 --> 01:10:22,947
A horse herd is a lot
like a military unit.
1151
01:10:23,985 --> 01:10:26,245
They run together,
1152
01:10:26,254 --> 01:10:29,324
They are very aware of
what's going on around the,
1153
01:10:29,325 --> 01:10:31,393
And they all act as one.
1154
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,330
This experience really pulled
me out of my comfort zone.
1155
01:10:39,332 --> 01:10:41,972
I felt part of a squad again.
1156
01:10:44,602 --> 01:10:47,302
Nobody does this on their own.
1157
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:04,619
In the morning we all
helped set up a fire
1158
01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:07,488
For the traditional sweat.
1159
01:11:07,489 --> 01:11:10,019
A bunch of the elders
heat up these rocks
1160
01:11:10,024 --> 01:11:13,292
In the middle of the
road and it gets hot.
1161
01:11:13,293 --> 01:11:16,433
You're sitting in a
pool of your sweat.
1162
01:11:18,762 --> 01:11:21,002
All warriors go
through this sweat
1163
01:11:21,003 --> 01:11:23,328
To purify the mind and spirit
1164
01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:25,803
So that we can walk in balance.
1165
01:11:27,269 --> 01:11:29,799
The stones represent life
1166
01:11:29,805 --> 01:11:32,735
And the medicine is
put on these stones
1167
01:11:32,741 --> 01:11:35,341
And the steam cleanses us.
1168
01:11:35,343 --> 01:11:37,783
It's an energy that is healing.
1169
01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:42,484
It's like being in
your mother's womb.
1170
01:11:43,781 --> 01:11:47,751
You feel so
isolated with your thoughts.
1171
01:11:47,752 --> 01:11:50,752
Caused a lot of
looking back at past
1172
01:11:50,755 --> 01:11:53,315
And things that have happened.
1173
01:11:55,891 --> 01:11:59,461
You're expelling all your fears.
1174
01:11:59,462 --> 01:12:02,962
All the negative inside
you is coming out.
1175
01:12:04,064 --> 01:12:05,664
In breathing the steam,
1176
01:12:05,666 --> 01:12:08,796
You're breathing
in that new energy.
1177
01:12:08,802 --> 01:12:11,502
You're breathing in new life.
1178
01:12:12,604 --> 01:12:15,406
Never felt like that before.
1179
01:12:15,407 --> 01:12:19,007
It was almost like I
was given a clean slate.
1180
01:12:25,347 --> 01:12:28,647
I've messed up a lot of
relationships since I came back.
1181
01:12:28,651 --> 01:12:31,421
I went through two
divorces after this war
1182
01:12:31,422 --> 01:12:35,389
And I haven't always done
the right things you know?
1183
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:38,690
And it forced me to
have to look at that.
1184
01:12:39,893 --> 01:12:43,963
After a couple tries,
you know it isn't them.
1185
01:12:43,964 --> 01:12:47,874
And the ability to be
authentic and to open up
1186
01:12:49,434 --> 01:12:51,536
And to have to look at that,
1187
01:12:51,537 --> 01:12:54,437
I think is very
healing in itself.
1188
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:16,964
In the past, I've
never felt safe to sleep.
1189
01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:20,532
The dreams kick in.
1190
01:13:21,928 --> 01:13:24,598
And at times I've been afraid
1191
01:13:25,764 --> 01:13:27,532
To go to sleep
1192
01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:30,573
For what I'm gonna
have to go through.
1193
01:13:38,509 --> 01:13:42,679
Last night was the first
time I've actually slept
1194
01:13:43,712 --> 01:13:46,612
And felt like I
didn't have to worry.
1195
01:13:52,686 --> 01:13:57,016
It had been a long time
since I saw an 18 year old Phil
1196
01:13:57,024 --> 01:13:58,724
And when he talked
about south Dakota
1197
01:13:58,725 --> 01:14:00,725
I saw 19 year old Phil.
1198
01:14:06,097 --> 01:14:09,767
It was nice to see
peace in his eyes again.
1199
01:14:31,722 --> 01:14:36,426
Warrior meditation has been
around for thousands of years.
1200
01:14:36,427 --> 01:14:39,857
Since the time warriors
have gone into battle.
1201
01:14:39,863 --> 01:14:42,497
It allows a person
to dive within,
1202
01:14:42,498 --> 01:14:45,728
It's very blissful
it's very relaxing.
1203
01:14:47,034 --> 01:14:50,044
You let go of everything.
1204
01:14:50,837 --> 01:14:52,867
Concentrate on your breathing
1205
01:14:52,873 --> 01:14:56,043
And just accept the thoughts
that come into your head
1206
01:14:56,044 --> 01:14:57,612
And not judge 'em.
1207
01:14:59,477 --> 01:15:01,947
Which was a new concept for me.
1208
01:15:07,584 --> 01:15:10,594
It's one component but
it's a powerful component
1209
01:15:10,595 --> 01:15:14,818
Because it gets you to a place
where there's some peace.
1210
01:15:15,957 --> 01:15:17,857
It doesn't come in a pill,
1211
01:15:17,859 --> 01:15:20,989
It's not addictive other
than wanting to feel good
1212
01:15:20,995 --> 01:15:25,925
And some of these guys haven't
felt anything in years.
1213
01:15:38,876 --> 01:15:41,236
Doing great Carlos.
1214
01:15:41,246 --> 01:15:43,906
Stand up mate.
1215
01:15:43,915 --> 01:15:48,545
Oh yeah!
1216
01:15:53,521 --> 01:15:56,521
That pole is
a terrifying obstacle.
1217
01:15:56,525 --> 01:15:59,055
Take your time,
you're all good buddy.
1218
01:15:59,060 --> 01:16:01,230
It puts back in
that protective factor
1219
01:16:01,231 --> 01:16:03,528
Of fear of the pain of death.
1220
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:06,160
It presents it to that warrior.
1221
01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:09,228
And if he completes that move
1222
01:16:09,234 --> 01:16:12,244
In front of his brother
warriors because he feels safe.
1223
01:16:12,245 --> 01:16:15,497
That's how a guy
gets his life back.
1224
01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:42,060
You're safe brother, your safe.
1225
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:46,700
Play like your
life depends on it.
1226
01:16:48,534 --> 01:16:50,869
This is the fear to
live for right here.
1227
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:52,570
That's it Kenny,
that's the fear to live for.
1228
01:16:52,571 --> 01:16:54,538
I'm terrified.
1229
01:16:54,539 --> 01:16:57,639
Good, means you're alive.
1230
01:17:03,946 --> 01:17:05,846
Just breathe.
1231
01:17:08,683 --> 01:17:11,083
- Awesome bro!
- There it is.
1232
01:17:15,223 --> 01:17:17,257
Next foot up.
1233
01:17:17,258 --> 01:17:19,118
Up as a wave Kenny.
1234
01:17:21,293 --> 01:17:22,560
Come on Kenny.
1235
01:17:22,561 --> 01:17:24,661
- Jesus.
- One step brother.
1236
01:17:24,663 --> 01:17:27,031
Show me how to do it.
1237
01:17:27,032 --> 01:17:28,162
This is.
1238
01:17:28,166 --> 01:17:29,626
This is terrifying.
1239
01:17:29,634 --> 01:17:32,334
You're safe man,
you are totally safe.
1240
01:17:32,336 --> 01:17:34,796
Totally safe, you're
goin' nowhere.
1241
01:17:34,805 --> 01:17:36,265
I've gotta move.
1242
01:17:36,273 --> 01:17:37,673
I've gotta move my leg.
1243
01:17:37,674 --> 01:17:39,207
I've gotta do this.
1244
01:17:39,208 --> 01:17:40,268
There you go.
1245
01:17:40,275 --> 01:17:43,205
You can do this big man.
1246
01:17:43,211 --> 01:17:44,279
Put your hand on your knee.
1247
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,278
Look at that horizon Kenny.
1248
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:47,279
- Look up.
- Right there.
1249
01:17:47,281 --> 01:17:49,949
Stand up Kenny, just stand up.
1250
01:17:49,950 --> 01:17:51,350
Don't grab anything.
1251
01:17:51,351 --> 01:17:53,651
- Straight up.
- Stand up.
1252
01:18:21,875 --> 01:18:24,375
If something like this
would've been in place
1253
01:18:24,378 --> 01:18:28,208
When I got home, I know
lives would be saved.
1254
01:18:29,215 --> 01:18:33,215
If you were with
people who understand
1255
01:18:33,220 --> 01:18:36,790
And people who can
tell you that it's okay
1256
01:18:37,756 --> 01:18:39,716
And that there is hope.
1257
01:18:52,737 --> 01:18:54,897
You guys played full out,
you had a lot of courage,
1258
01:18:54,906 --> 01:18:57,066
You walked through
a lot of pain.
1259
01:18:57,074 --> 01:19:01,314
Do me two favors, just breathe
and meditate twice a day.
1260
01:19:02,243 --> 01:19:04,313
Think about what you're
doing to pay it forward,
1261
01:19:04,314 --> 01:19:08,248
Even it's to yourself because
your family will benefit.
1262
01:19:08,249 --> 01:19:11,818
There have been some
amazing experimental efforts
1263
01:19:11,819 --> 01:19:14,789
At various military
posts around the country.
1264
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:18,388
It was a combination of
unorthodox treatments.
1265
01:19:18,391 --> 01:19:21,359
They were having
tremendous success.
1266
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,830
The problem was, how
do you scale something
1267
01:19:23,831 --> 01:19:26,659
That works for a
few dozen soldiers
1268
01:19:26,665 --> 01:19:28,225
Into something that could work
1269
01:19:28,233 --> 01:19:30,801
For a few hundred
thousand or more?
1270
01:19:30,802 --> 01:19:33,272
One trillion dollars
annually between the DOD,
1271
01:19:33,273 --> 01:19:35,340
The Va and the veteran
services organization
1272
01:19:35,341 --> 01:19:37,208
And you've got a
10 tour green beret
1273
01:19:37,209 --> 01:19:38,667
Eatin' out of a dumpster,
1274
01:19:38,675 --> 01:19:40,975
Hours off a plane
from Afghanistan?
1275
01:19:40,977 --> 01:19:42,737
It goes beyond verbal.
1276
01:19:42,745 --> 01:19:46,145
There should be no shortage
of this kind of a resource.
1277
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:56,919
The biggest function we have
1278
01:19:56,925 --> 01:20:00,155
Is vetting all these existing
organizations out there
1279
01:20:00,161 --> 01:20:01,891
So that we can find the ones
1280
01:20:01,896 --> 01:20:04,356
That are the most efficient,
1281
01:20:04,365 --> 01:20:07,395
The most legitimate
and those that actually
1282
01:20:07,401 --> 01:20:09,831
Have the biggest
impact on these lives.
1283
01:20:09,836 --> 01:20:12,266
How many lives can
we really affect?
1284
01:20:12,271 --> 01:20:15,106
How many people's
lives we can improve.
1285
01:20:15,107 --> 01:20:17,337
Thank you for playing like
your life depended on it.
1286
01:20:17,342 --> 01:20:19,011
Thanks for letting us love you
1287
01:20:19,012 --> 01:20:20,310
And thanks for lovin' us back.
1288
01:20:20,311 --> 01:20:22,111
Thanks for opening your
heart and your soul to us.
1289
01:20:22,112 --> 01:20:23,312
You're a beautiful spirit.
1290
01:20:23,313 --> 01:20:24,413
Alright brother.
1291
01:20:29,451 --> 01:20:32,821
Whoever said that you can't
teach an old dog new tricks,
1292
01:20:32,822 --> 01:20:36,322
Didn't know shit
about this program.
1293
01:20:36,325 --> 01:20:38,425
I'm gonna continue
spreading the word
1294
01:20:38,427 --> 01:20:39,957
And I'm gonna
start with my sons.
1295
01:20:45,031 --> 01:20:48,231
I don't want anybody else to
have to wait thirty years.
1296
01:20:54,371 --> 01:20:58,441
The Vietnam generation
lost 150,000 to suicide.
1297
01:20:58,442 --> 01:21:02,942
150,000 names that are not
on the Vietnam memorial wall.
1298
01:21:02,946 --> 01:21:05,046
There's 54,000 that are.
1299
01:21:05,048 --> 01:21:06,478
The more I look at it,
1300
01:21:06,482 --> 01:21:09,582
The more I see my
generation of veterans
1301
01:21:09,585 --> 01:21:11,945
Going down the same road.
1302
01:21:13,354 --> 01:21:15,894
And something's gotta give.
1303
01:21:22,394 --> 01:21:24,334
You'd need a congress to reread
1304
01:21:24,335 --> 01:21:26,430
Article one of the constitution
1305
01:21:26,432 --> 01:21:29,202
Where it says that
congress is responsible
1306
01:21:29,203 --> 01:21:32,071
For the health, welfare and
care of the armed forces
1307
01:21:32,072 --> 01:21:33,270
Of the United States.
1308
01:21:33,271 --> 01:21:35,601
And legislate the change.
1309
01:21:35,606 --> 01:21:38,466
We were not ready
in world war two,
1310
01:21:38,475 --> 01:21:40,305
We were not ready in Vietnam,
1311
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:41,640
We were not ready
in the gulf war,
1312
01:21:41,644 --> 01:21:45,113
We were not ready in the
Iraq, Afghanistan conflicts.
1313
01:21:45,114 --> 01:21:46,984
If we send our troops
to war ever again,
1314
01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:50,982
It has to be something we
talk about from the beginning.
1315
01:21:50,986 --> 01:21:53,116
We have catastrophic
system-wide failure
1316
01:21:53,121 --> 01:21:55,321
Due to chronic
neglect essentially.
1317
01:21:55,323 --> 01:21:58,323
We cannot provide even
basic mental health needs
1318
01:21:58,326 --> 01:22:02,526
During peacetime right
now, let alone war time.
1319
01:22:19,911 --> 01:22:24,348
There's nobody in charge,
there's nobody accountable.
1320
01:22:24,349 --> 01:22:26,519
We need a behavioral
health corps
1321
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,587
Doing anything otherwise
will perpetuate crisis.
1322
01:22:39,127 --> 01:22:42,027
I need six volunteers.
1323
01:22:45,532 --> 01:22:48,401
Phillip Straub united
states marine corps.
1324
01:22:48,402 --> 01:22:51,270
William Rodriguez,
United States army.
1325
01:22:51,271 --> 01:22:53,001
Detail, attention.
1326
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:57,440
Present
1327
01:22:58,140 --> 01:22:59,140
Arm.
1328
01:23:16,654 --> 01:23:18,989
Lets hear it for our military,
1329
01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:21,120
We'd like to thank you.
1330
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:21,650
So this is their home.
1331
01:24:22,749 --> 01:24:27,319
We are going to meet
the Kachadoorian family.
1332
01:24:27,321 --> 01:24:30,489
Lou tells me that they
would like to meet me,
1333
01:24:30,490 --> 01:24:33,460
So I would like to
meet them as well.
1334
01:24:35,193 --> 01:24:38,503
This wasn't even an option
a few months ago for me.
1335
01:24:38,504 --> 01:24:42,357
And now I'm actually
looking forward to it.
1336
01:24:43,466 --> 01:24:46,796
It's gonna be scary to
step onto this pole.
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