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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,290 Carroll Shelby now in the lead, 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,450 car number 98. 3 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:13,160 The Premier Maserati burning up the course 4 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:14,760 Johnny von Neumann in second place 5 00:00:14,790 --> 00:00:17,530 and Richie gets a turn over 190. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,130 The 3.5 Ferrari in third. 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,300 Old times, watch 56 for obstruction. 8 00:00:22,330 --> 00:00:23,470 Watch 56. 9 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:25,700 It's 1190, spun out right behind the bales, 10 00:00:25,730 --> 00:00:28,540 I couldn't see the number on the car. 11 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:30,740 Moving, moving, very, very fast. 12 00:00:30,770 --> 00:00:33,140 Johnny von Neumann right behind Carroll Shelby. 13 00:00:33,180 --> 00:00:37,380 - Pebble Beach was almost like a storybook. 14 00:00:37,410 --> 00:00:39,350 Beautiful scenery. 15 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:40,880 Just the smell of all those trees 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,190 and everything so pure it seems like. 17 00:00:45,890 --> 00:00:50,390 I think that's what I remember, Pebble Beach. 18 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:52,630 - Pebble Beach was always a race track 19 00:00:52,660 --> 00:00:54,630 we always look forward to because 20 00:00:54,660 --> 00:00:58,670 it was rather prestigious and a wonderful venue. 21 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:02,700 - There was no question that the king 22 00:01:02,740 --> 00:01:04,740 of the racetracks in Northern California 23 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:06,580 was Pebble Beach. 24 00:01:06,610 --> 00:01:08,440 - We've got the fire truck on an escape road 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,510 at six. 26 00:01:09,540 --> 00:01:10,910 Keep him there and tell him to stay there. 27 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:11,980 Okay. 28 00:01:12,010 --> 00:01:13,850 Keep him there and tell him to stay there 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,480 at turn six, hold him there. 30 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,920 Oh, somebody lost a wheel on six. 31 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:17,890 Is he alright? 32 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,620 Did he flip? No, he didn't flip. 33 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:21,460 Good. 34 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:25,190 Pebble beach has grown to be world renowned, 35 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:28,330 but in the beginning, it was a glorious, 36 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,700 beautiful place to go racing. 37 00:01:32,470 --> 00:01:34,200 - Anybody associated with a sports car 38 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,170 would have been at Pebble Beach. 39 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:08,900 - The smells at Pebble Beach. 40 00:02:08,940 --> 00:02:10,770 The smell, the feel. 41 00:02:10,810 --> 00:02:12,610 Even the rain time was beautiful. 42 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,240 And driving around, it's still kind of like that now. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,950 But back then it was stunning, 44 00:02:17,980 --> 00:02:22,180 it was a world apart from the rest of the world. 45 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:32,960 - The crowd was pretty huge all the way around the track. 46 00:02:32,990 --> 00:02:35,800 Probably three or four deep, maybe 10 deep. 47 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:38,730 Along the snow fencing that would keep 48 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:40,900 the cars out of the crowd. 49 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:44,770 - I mean, people were crossing the track 50 00:02:44,810 --> 00:02:46,680 while it was going on. 51 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:50,650 - Pebble Beach course was surrounded by 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,350 what they call soft pine trees. 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,790 And I can assure you that the only soft part 54 00:02:57,820 --> 00:03:01,960 is the first quarter of an inch of the tree. 55 00:03:01,990 --> 00:03:04,560 After that it gets really hard. 56 00:03:04,590 --> 00:03:06,900 - The very wealthy folks were there, 57 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:09,460 even without the racing. 58 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,600 But they came out for the races in their beautiful cars. 59 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:15,440 - I thought there was a lot of people there 60 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:17,940 and of course, you could walk around in the course 61 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:20,380 and get near the racetrack and see the action 62 00:03:20,410 --> 00:03:22,580 and that's the kind of thing we did. 63 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:25,880 - Any young kid that had a part time job 64 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:28,620 could buy himself a used car, 65 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:30,650 fix it up and go racing. 66 00:03:32,650 --> 00:03:34,660 - When you think about the fact the first race 67 00:03:34,690 --> 00:03:38,330 was 1950 and how that event, Pebble Beach, 68 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,930 evolved over the next six, seven years 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,900 and how it gained national publicity 70 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:46,740 and in some cases, international publicity. 71 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:48,500 It meant so much to the sport 72 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:50,310 in terms of expanding the awareness 73 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:51,710 of sport cars racing. 74 00:03:51,740 --> 00:03:55,980 It really was the foundation of sports car racing 75 00:03:56,010 --> 00:03:57,780 in the West Coast because it persisted, 76 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:00,480 then it led to a point where 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,390 it was recognized around the world. 78 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:05,620 - My neighbor had an XK120 79 00:04:05,650 --> 00:04:07,420 and he walked over the house one day, apartment, 80 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:09,890 and he said, "You want to go to the races 81 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:10,990 "out at Pebble Beach?" 82 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:12,490 I said, what's that? 83 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:30,610 - Before World War Two, there was very little road racing 84 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:34,650 in the U.S., most of it was on circuits, tracks, 85 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:38,120 and the big race, of course, was Indianapolis. 86 00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:40,790 After the war, some of the soldiers 87 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:43,760 who had been in England, found MGs. 88 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,760 The MG had come out with a new car called the MGTC 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 and some of the guys were able 90 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:54,700 to bring them over. 91 00:04:54,740 --> 00:04:57,510 They were very different from American cars, 92 00:04:57,540 --> 00:05:01,440 which were big and kind of clunky in those days. 93 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,980 Road racing in the United States started 94 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:06,010 in 1947 at Watkins Glen. 95 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,420 They had pretty much yearly races after that. 96 00:05:11,450 --> 00:05:14,660 1954 was the last time and they built 97 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:16,890 a Watkins Glen race course, 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,560 which is still one of the major 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,600 road racing courses in the U.S. now. 100 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:32,970 - There was a young man by the name of Sterling Edwards 101 00:05:33,010 --> 00:05:35,680 living in Beverly Hills, who was a very accomplished pilot, 102 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:38,410 which put him under the immediate wing 103 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:41,950 of General Curtis Lemay in the Pentagon. 104 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:44,620 And in the three and four ensuing years, 105 00:05:44,650 --> 00:05:46,860 they became so close and they found out 106 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:49,020 they had cars in common. 107 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:52,660 When the war was over, everyone went their own way. 108 00:05:52,690 --> 00:05:55,700 At the same time '45 or '46, half a dozen 109 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:58,530 young men in Boston thinking they wanted 110 00:05:58,570 --> 00:06:02,840 to formulate a body with which they could enjoy 111 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:04,970 and preserve sports cars. 112 00:06:05,010 --> 00:06:07,640 When they finally got themselves a legal entity, 113 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,580 the Sports Car Club of America. 114 00:06:10,610 --> 00:06:13,820 - Now that they had a real core group of Road Racers, 115 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:15,980 that wanted to see this not only continue, 116 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:18,490 but grow, they were constantly searching 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,020 for more venues. 118 00:06:20,050 --> 00:06:22,990 - Curtis Lemay went to his peers at the Pentagon 119 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:25,860 and convinced them, they could withstand 120 00:06:25,890 --> 00:06:29,460 the probable liability of running race cars 121 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:31,500 on a government airport. 122 00:06:32,730 --> 00:06:36,470 - In the area, there was an abandoned Naval air field 123 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:39,070 north of San Francisco called Cotati. 124 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:40,640 It was still abandoned, it had been used 125 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,580 by midnight drag racers and kids out there 126 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:44,810 just having fun. 127 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:47,080 And the FCCA took it over and it became 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,120 kind of their defacto home because they had control of it. 129 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:53,150 - General LeMay was a real character, 130 00:06:53,190 --> 00:06:54,460 he had a car. 131 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,760 He set it up so we could race on basis. 132 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:04,530 - Cotati is typical of airports, flat, featureless, 133 00:07:04,570 --> 00:07:06,540 not a real hospitable place, 134 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:08,070 very few creature comforts. 135 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:10,840 - It was very casual, people would put together a race 136 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:13,980 and we'd all go paint the numbers on our car, 137 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:16,580 do the race and take them off and drive home. 138 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,610 - I think it was the attraction was first 139 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:21,150 to race the cars anyway they could 140 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:23,790 and obviously the attraction for people to watch 141 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:28,260 these up and coming drivers as they were at the time. 142 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:30,860 - Just imagine trying to race 143 00:07:30,890 --> 00:07:34,100 through Golden Gate Park now by going to San Francisco 144 00:07:34,130 --> 00:07:38,000 and saying, hey, we'd like to have this place closed 145 00:07:38,030 --> 00:07:40,100 for three days and we're gonna bring 146 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:43,740 100,000 people in and have probably 300 cars 147 00:07:43,770 --> 00:07:47,110 and I don't think anybody will get killed. 148 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:49,310 It was just because Curtis LeMay 149 00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:51,310 had gotten his nose in the tent 150 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:55,050 that it sort of saved all their concerns. 151 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,990 - The people who had been to races on the East Coast 152 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:00,760 said no, Road Races, 153 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:06,660 had roads go through all kinds of terrain. 154 00:08:08,060 --> 00:08:10,670 - Sterling Edwards was very sensitive to the fact 155 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:13,900 that we needed to find a place to race. 156 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:20,680 - Sterling was a good friend of mine 157 00:08:20,710 --> 00:08:22,240 and also the family. 158 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,220 - Sterling Edwards was a classmate of Jack Morse, 159 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:30,790 the owners of Del Monte Forest in college. 160 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:33,660 Jack Morse had ideas of building homes 161 00:08:33,690 --> 00:08:36,120 in the Del Monte Forest, so this was a natural way 162 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,730 to promote potential construction of new homes. 163 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,160 - My brother, John Morse, he liked the idea. 164 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,870 My father did not like the idea 165 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:49,640 because he thought someone would get killed, 166 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:51,140 which of course, they did. 167 00:08:51,170 --> 00:08:54,010 Dear Mr. Pfund, it is a pleasure to give you 168 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,840 all the information we have to date 169 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,010 on the proposed Road Race at Pebble Beach, 170 00:08:58,050 --> 00:09:00,050 Del Monte Properties, California. 171 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,150 This should easily be a national event one day. 172 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:05,120 Hoping this letter gives you enough information 173 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:07,360 regarding our current West Coast activities, 174 00:09:07,390 --> 00:09:10,860 I remain sincerely, Sterling Edwards. 175 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:13,130 February 10, 1950. 176 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,800 - So they continued to look to venues 177 00:09:14,830 --> 00:09:18,770 that they could rely on from year to year. 178 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,700 One of the key movers behind this 179 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:21,800 was Kjell Qvale. 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,670 Kjell, being the MG importer, 181 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:29,080 was the primary source for race cars of that era, 182 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:33,380 pre 1950 and the MG Car Club of Northern California 183 00:09:33,410 --> 00:09:36,280 was the main vehicle in which events 184 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,220 were organized and promoted. 185 00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:43,060 - Kjell was more a race organizer in those days. 186 00:09:43,090 --> 00:09:45,760 He'd gone to Watkins Glen earlier 187 00:09:45,790 --> 00:09:49,300 and saw how the FCCA could put on a weekend event. 188 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:53,000 He needed some organization, the California one. 189 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:56,340 So Kjell organized the event with the help of my mom 190 00:09:56,370 --> 00:09:59,940 and mom was sort of the Owner's Club representative 191 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:04,110 for our import company and Kjell put on the races. 192 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:07,220 - Kjell Qvale who was so active 193 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:09,850 in Northern California region, 194 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,290 a terrific guy and great organizational skills. 195 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,030 - Sterling Edwards and Bill Breeze were customers 196 00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:20,430 of my dad and they bought MGs and they were part 197 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:22,930 of the MG Owner's Club and they knew the Morse family 198 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,970 down in Pebble Beach and could go down there 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,840 and try a 17 mile drive on for size. 200 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:32,210 - I remember dad telling me a story 201 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,780 of how he went down and met with Bill Breeze 202 00:10:34,810 --> 00:10:37,010 and over lunch on a napkin, 203 00:10:38,810 --> 00:10:40,280 drew out the layout 204 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:42,480 four the course and after lunch, 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,890 they hopped in a car and they went out 206 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,160 and drove the course and that was going to be 207 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:51,130 the first Pebble Beach Road Race. 208 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 - First they were going to use 17-mile drive 209 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:55,160 and their various configurations 210 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,930 and finally they settled on the course, 211 00:10:56,970 --> 00:10:58,970 which revolves around the Polo Grounds. 212 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,070 - And designed the course, I think that was 213 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:03,740 in the Spring of 1950. 214 00:11:03,770 --> 00:11:06,910 - So in 1950, the first race was held. 215 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:10,110 - This was a prestigious event, 216 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:12,480 you wanted to go there and you wanted to win. 217 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:21,990 - It was all out racing. 218 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:24,060 We truly enjoyed it. 219 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,040 - I just think there's something very special 220 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:38,140 about the area around Pebble Beach. 221 00:11:38,170 --> 00:11:40,940 The mystique of the trees and forest. 222 00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:44,380 There's a more elevated sense than to be, 223 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:47,950 baking out in the sun on some airport circuit somewhere. 224 00:11:57,090 --> 00:11:59,260 - In the beginning, you see the lineups, 225 00:11:59,290 --> 00:12:02,400 there were a lot of MGs, some Jaguars, 226 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:06,370 Allards, the Allards were tremendously powerful, 227 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,970 the MGs weren't. 228 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,070 The Jaguars were somewhere in between 229 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,310 and they could manage the course 230 00:12:13,340 --> 00:12:15,310 with competent driving. 231 00:12:15,340 --> 00:12:17,010 - The reason that there were so many MGs 232 00:12:17,050 --> 00:12:19,310 at the first few Pebble Beach Road Races is, 233 00:12:19,350 --> 00:12:21,420 basically they were sports cars 234 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:23,320 that were adaptable to be raced, 235 00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:25,350 but they were also fairly low priced. 236 00:12:25,390 --> 00:12:29,360 I think they had maybe 50 or 60 entries. 237 00:12:29,390 --> 00:12:31,990 They had a good crowd. 238 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:33,460 I think they surprised themselves. 239 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:36,430 - Some of the names of race drivers 240 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:39,530 who went on to become quite famous 241 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:41,470 that participated at Pebble Beach, 242 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:44,110 are household names for most any race fan 243 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:45,510 and beyond that. 244 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:47,880 The first one that comes to mind is Phil Hill. 245 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:50,280 Phil Hill was the winner of the very first race 246 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:53,550 at Pebble Beach and a Jaguar that 247 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:55,950 he had brought back from England. 248 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:59,150 - The XK120 was just the sleekest, newest, 249 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:02,220 most modern sports car of the day. 250 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:04,160 There were some others around, but this was 251 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:08,100 the new, lightweight foreign sports car. 252 00:13:13,630 --> 00:13:15,500 My dad went up to Pebble Beach having done 253 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:18,340 all sorts of modifications with his friend, Richie Ginther. 254 00:13:18,370 --> 00:13:20,640 They were both very skilled in mechanics, 255 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:23,210 but the problem was the engine wouldn't start, 256 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,980 so he had to push start the car. 257 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:28,520 And he just tore off, just going through the gears, 258 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:29,980 tearing through the field 259 00:13:30,020 --> 00:13:32,120 and about halfway through the race, 260 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:34,960 he had actually done a great job working his way 261 00:13:34,990 --> 00:13:37,890 through the field and Richie Ginther puts out a sign 262 00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:41,660 as he's going by the pits and says, "Long lead." 263 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:45,300 Well my dad, being the bundle of nerves 264 00:13:45,330 --> 00:13:49,670 and anxiety and thinking he's probably still in last place, 265 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:53,980 thinks that a guy named Long is leading the race. 266 00:13:54,010 --> 00:13:55,480 Well, what Richie was telling him is 267 00:13:55,510 --> 00:13:58,210 you have a long lead, you can cool it, you know. 268 00:13:58,250 --> 00:14:00,150 - He could handle just about any kind of car. 269 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:03,380 And he would do well and generally win. 270 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:07,360 - We raced against each other 271 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:09,560 and beat each other a many, many times 272 00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:11,190 here in the states and in Europe also. 273 00:14:11,230 --> 00:14:13,690 The thing I remember most about the race is 274 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:16,700 we were sitting in the garage the night before 275 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:20,570 and he says, "The ass end is coming loose all the time." 276 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,210 I says, well, maybe if we put a little weight, 277 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,170 add a little weight in the back end. 278 00:14:26,210 --> 00:14:28,010 He and I took some coat hangers 279 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,280 and put some weight in the back end of the car 280 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:32,310 and he had the race is over he said, 281 00:14:32,350 --> 00:14:35,120 "It didn't help a damn thing, did you know 282 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:36,550 "it wouldn't help a damn thing?" 283 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:38,950 We got to laughing about it after that. 284 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:42,160 That was a great race, that was a great place to race 285 00:14:42,190 --> 00:14:44,730 and historically, we don't have 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,590 those kind of places anymore. 287 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:48,600 Phil was down there an artist 288 00:14:48,630 --> 00:14:51,730 and whatever he did, it was 100% 289 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:55,100 and I savor the thoughts of him every day 290 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:58,740 that he was probably one of the greatest endurance drivers 291 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:02,410 who won Le Mans three times, was second twice I think, 292 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,280 and he was the greatest of our era at Le Mans. 293 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:09,580 - As we know now, Phil had an expertise, 294 00:15:11,550 --> 00:15:13,490 had an uncommon ability 295 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,620 to take a car 296 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:19,230 and make it dance and talk. 297 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:21,100 - You know, all in all, that made 298 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:25,070 for such a great win and a huge weekend 299 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:28,370 for the both of them, my dad and Richie. 300 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:33,710 Turn one there's a dog on the course, 301 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:35,240 on turn one. 302 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,410 On turn one? 303 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,680 Between the starting point and turn one. 304 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:39,810 A big one or little one? 305 00:15:39,850 --> 00:15:42,250 It's a large brown one, it's by a tree. 306 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,490 Spectators are getting him. 307 00:15:46,390 --> 00:15:47,620 - While the '50s were the beginning 308 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:50,390 in sports car craze in this country 309 00:15:50,420 --> 00:15:53,230 and around the world, and back in the '50s, 310 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:55,060 it was very informal. 311 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:56,730 You grabbed what you got and you went with it 312 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,630 and there wasn't a lot of money being spent 313 00:15:58,670 --> 00:16:00,570 like there is today. 314 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,300 - Always wanted to be a race car driver, 315 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:03,670 but I didn't know how to do it, you know. 316 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,410 Who knows how to become a race car driver 317 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,510 when you're 17 or whatever. 318 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:10,240 Met a guy along the way, Dave Carter, 319 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,080 who had his father had a parts store 320 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,480 and he and I teamed up, 321 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,520 and we built a race car together. 322 00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:21,790 - In those days, you know you could just drive your car 323 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:25,160 to the races, very few people had trailers. 324 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:27,400 When we'd go to the races, there was usually 325 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:29,800 oh anywhere from five to eight guys 326 00:16:29,830 --> 00:16:31,830 and we'd pick up more guys along the way 327 00:16:31,870 --> 00:16:35,800 and we'd rat race all the way up to these races 328 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,170 and it was pretty thrilling because, 329 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:43,280 you know, we were really racing on public roads 330 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:44,780 at that time. 331 00:16:44,810 --> 00:16:46,580 - In those days, you could build a car 332 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:47,850 and go out and compete before 333 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,150 the factories got into it. 334 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:54,090 A lot of them did, Roger Barlow, Ken Miles. 335 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,820 - It was kind of a glory days. 336 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:58,430 It was the days, when if you wanted to race, 337 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:01,330 you could get an MG or a car like an MG 338 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,600 and by not spending a lot of money, at least, 339 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:06,670 get a car on the grid, have some fun. 340 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:08,240 There weren't a lot of requirements 341 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:10,440 as far as licensing or what not. 342 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:12,740 If you wanted to race and were in good health, 343 00:17:12,770 --> 00:17:13,910 you could race. 344 00:17:13,940 --> 00:17:17,510 - When you go really back and quite a few generation, 345 00:17:17,550 --> 00:17:19,650 you know, 20 to 30 years ago, 346 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,720 cars it was pretty dangerous. 347 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:24,720 In fact, I mean, one of the main reasons I race 348 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:26,420 was because it was dangerous. 349 00:17:26,450 --> 00:17:27,860 You know, when you're 17, 18 years old, 350 00:17:27,890 --> 00:17:30,560 you want to do something crazy. 351 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:37,670 - So I think of Pebble Beach, 352 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,900 I think of Bill Pollack. 353 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:44,610 Bill Pollack had the best winning races around there 354 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,440 and I think for three or four years 355 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:48,440 he always won the race on Pebble Beach. 356 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,280 - My ride at Pebble Beach really started 357 00:17:51,310 --> 00:17:52,380 at Hollywood. 358 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,880 I was driving a TCMG at the time 359 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,390 and I dropped in on a friend of mine, Al Moss, 360 00:18:01,420 --> 00:18:03,560 and we were just talking and he said, 361 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:06,760 "By the way, there's a guy up there in Tacoma 362 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:09,560 "that just bought a new Allard and looking for a driver." 363 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,430 I said, really? 364 00:18:11,470 --> 00:18:12,730 So then I called Carstens. 365 00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:15,570 He says, "What kind of experience have you had?" 366 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,570 I said well, I said I won the novice race at Palm Springs 367 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:20,570 and I did this and said. 368 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:24,180 He said, "Have you ever ride in a Allard?" 369 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:27,320 And I said, well, yeah, sort of, okay. 370 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:30,850 So there was the car, it was absolutely beautiful 371 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,290 and they said, "Well, you want to take it out?" 372 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,660 I said, well, yeah, I think so, yeah, okay. 373 00:18:36,690 --> 00:18:40,830 And they said, "Well, she's ready to go." 374 00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:47,770 - Well, this car is a fabulous car. 375 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,870 It's got a great racing history and Pollack 376 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:52,410 was a really good driver. 377 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,980 It's fun to drive, it's very dangerous to drive 378 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:57,550 because the rear end flips out on you very fast. 379 00:18:57,580 --> 00:19:00,350 You go around a corner too fast and don't handle it right 380 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:02,480 and you find yourself going the opposite direction. 381 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,490 But the sound is lovely. 382 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,920 It's the noisiest sports car I've ever heard in my life. 383 00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:07,890 It's got no mufflers. 384 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,690 It's a straight exhaust a big Cadillac V8, 385 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,860 but it's a great car, fun to drive, and a lot of noise. 386 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,870 - My father had a very hot MGTC 387 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:27,280 that was well know, number 88. 388 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:29,580 Driven first by Bill Pollack 389 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:33,550 and later on by Jack McAfee. 390 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:35,580 And Bill went out on the course 391 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:37,690 and did some great laps with it. 392 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,620 Next time he came around the pits, 393 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:41,720 my father was standing way out, 394 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,260 almost into the track and signaling to come in. 395 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:46,590 So Bill came into the corner. 396 00:19:47,730 --> 00:19:50,030 Bill was thinking he told me later, 397 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:52,030 years later he says, "You know I thought that was it, 398 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:53,700 "I thought John Edward was just gonna can me. 399 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:57,970 "I done something wrong, he didn't like the way I drove, 400 00:19:58,010 --> 00:20:01,780 "I was gonna be out of the race altogether. 401 00:20:01,810 --> 00:20:03,880 "And when I stopped, he came over to the car, 402 00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:05,980 "he didn't say a word, opened the door, 403 00:20:06,010 --> 00:20:09,820 "the passenger side door, and pulled out 404 00:20:09,850 --> 00:20:13,990 "from the door pocket, his scotch whiskey, 405 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:15,960 "that's what he wanted. 406 00:20:16,820 --> 00:20:20,960 "As soon as that was done, I was off and more practice." 407 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 - A name very well know, Carroll Shelby 408 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:29,600 was an early competitor throughout the West Coast. 409 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,910 He raced the first race and I believe 410 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:34,610 he was the first winner at Santa Rosa, 411 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,050 which was actually Cotati Raceway in 1957. 412 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,810 So he goes back a long way. 413 00:20:39,850 --> 00:20:41,580 Of course, Carroll Shelby is a legend 414 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:45,320 for his development work on the Cobra, the GT40, 415 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:48,560 the Sunbeam Tiger, a variety of cars 416 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:51,460 and then on to a car manufacturer. 417 00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:53,590 - I was around him quite a bit 418 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:57,470 as he was involved in racing and I really enjoyed him. 419 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:59,070 He was a great guy to be around 420 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:02,570 and he was full of good ideas, you know. 421 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,540 He had a lot of ideas and I was not surprised at all 422 00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:09,980 to see him end up putting together that Cobra deal with Ford 423 00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:14,380 and he just very capable of doing those kind of things. 424 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:16,820 - I think the best thing that really explains Carrol Shelby 425 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:19,990 is they didn't call him Billy Sol for nothing. 426 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:23,920 And if you knew any history about American 427 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,360 Billy Sol Estes was one 428 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:27,800 of the greatest Texas oil scammers 429 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:30,560 in the business and that was Shelby. 430 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,970 He was a fabulous salesman. 431 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,600 He could convince everybody in management 432 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,040 that he had great ideas and he collected 433 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:40,410 the best people around him and built 434 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,440 probably the best racing team that we've ever had 435 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,050 in America at that time. 436 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,520 - Won Le Mans, won the World Sports Car Championship, 437 00:21:48,550 --> 00:21:49,420 a legend. 438 00:21:56,890 --> 00:21:59,990 - My father realized that with the power 439 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:02,730 that these guys were making, in the old cad Allards, 440 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,830 some of these big American V8s, 441 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:07,740 that the Jag simply wasn't gonna be able to keep up. 442 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:10,100 So he sold the Jag, the XK120 443 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:14,940 and he bought an Alpha Romeo 8C, a beautiful car, 444 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:18,050 but he sold it so he could go on to purchase 445 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,650 his next race car, which is when he started 446 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,480 getting into Ferrari. 447 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:27,960 - Behind me is the 1953 Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder. 448 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:32,560 That probably is most associated 449 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:33,990 with its original owner. 450 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:37,900 It was purchased new by Phil Hill in 1953 451 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:42,200 and he drove it up to the Pebble Beach Road Races 452 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,440 that happened in April that particular year. 453 00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:48,210 My understanding is that he was qualified mid-grid 454 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,080 between some Cadillac and a bunch of C types. 455 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:55,680 But Phil being Phil and the driver that he was, 456 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,820 by about lap 24 of the race, took the lead 457 00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:59,690 and he went on to win. 458 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,120 This being his first win in a Ferrari, 459 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,490 and I think it's because of the drives in this race 460 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:08,160 that he became aware for the Ferrari factory 461 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,930 and he secure one of his many factory drives, 462 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,770 which ultimately landed him the full factory drive 463 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,540 and he went on to become, you know, 464 00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:19,710 the first American Formula One drivers World Championship. 465 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:30,150 - Well there wasn't any official qualifying to say, 466 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:33,950 people just ran there and they'd stick you in line someplace 467 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:36,790 where they felt you might be competitive 468 00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:41,160 or more or less equal with the surrounding cars. 469 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:45,500 - I walked over to the reception area was 470 00:23:45,530 --> 00:23:49,540 and we went in, we said, we want to go in your race. 471 00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:52,640 They said, "Okay, where are your licenses?" 472 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:55,010 We'd never been to a race before. 473 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,640 "Okay, sign here!" 474 00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:59,750 - Our entry fee was $15. 475 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,080 And the other thing too is that 476 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,950 we could drive the car and look like this. 477 00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:07,120 - Race cars all of a sudden became cars 478 00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:08,860 you could drive on the streets. 479 00:24:08,890 --> 00:24:11,590 Virtually impossible to drive today 480 00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:14,160 a race car on the street, but also the '60s or '70s. 481 00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:16,860 Up to that point in time, you could actually 482 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,100 drive your car, put on a Randall helmet 483 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,670 if you're advanced. 484 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:25,570 Some guys, they never wear helmets 485 00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:27,540 and you would go racing. 486 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:29,840 - On the qualifying that day 487 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:33,010 I got on to that back straight 488 00:24:33,050 --> 00:24:34,980 and there was a Morgan. 489 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,650 And I think he was stopping 490 00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:39,220 to get sandwiches or something, 491 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:42,020 but he was just puttering along, you know. 492 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:44,730 And when I came in, everybody's looking 493 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,730 at their stopwatches saying, "What the hell happened?" 494 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,860 And I explained what happened. 495 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:51,670 And they said, "Well, we're very sorry 496 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,700 "about Mr. Pollack's misadventure, 497 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:57,910 "but we have a whole lot of cars 498 00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:01,040 "that have to qualify and he can if he wants to, 499 00:25:01,070 --> 00:25:03,910 "he can go out at the end of qualifying." 500 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,250 By now I'm really pissed off too that I've got to wait 501 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,980 all afternoon and you know. 502 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:11,790 So I went out and was gonna do a flying lap 503 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:14,760 and I came by the start and finish. 504 00:25:15,860 --> 00:25:17,260 Absolutely flawed. 505 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,160 And just past the start and finish 506 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:22,630 is just this little bit of a bend 507 00:25:22,660 --> 00:25:24,630 and when I got into it, I realized 508 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:27,640 that I was going just about 10 miles an hour 509 00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:28,340 too fast. 510 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,370 I'm feathering the brakes 511 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,440 and doing this and doing that 512 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:36,080 and it's just no way, I'm not gonna make the turn. 513 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:38,780 So when I got to the end, I just spun 514 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:40,110 and I killed the engine. 515 00:25:40,150 --> 00:25:42,680 I said, well, that's it now, whatever. 516 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,050 Whatever they want to do. 517 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,290 So they put me on the pole. 518 00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:49,220 We don't want to see that again. 519 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:55,400 Spin out on turn one, 520 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:57,970 spin out on turn one. 521 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,670 - This is the 1953 Tatum GMC Special. 522 00:26:06,770 --> 00:26:09,380 Was built in Stockton, California 523 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,680 by Chuck Tatum. 524 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,750 Chuck was a young man having just returned 525 00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:18,350 from World War Two in the Pacific. 526 00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:22,660 He was a survivor of the first wave on Hiroshima. 527 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,990 - Well the idea to find the Tatum Special, 528 00:26:27,030 --> 00:26:31,000 was the fact that I'd always been interested in race cars. 529 00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:34,800 And I'd built a lot of race cars before the Tatum Special. 530 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,900 - This is a car that was, 531 00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:41,340 according to Chuck, built almost on a bet. 532 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:44,680 - One time, I was at a race 533 00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:46,880 in Stockton, California Road Race 534 00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:50,980 and they had a lot of big, famous cars out there. 535 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:54,450 One of them was called a Cadillac Allard, 536 00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:56,090 and that was a real fast car, 537 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,790 no one could beat it, actually. 538 00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:01,330 - He was having dinner one night 539 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,430 with Sammy Weiss and with 540 00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:07,170 Phil Hill in Stockton 541 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,270 ahead of the Road Races. 542 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,340 - Someone says, "It's hard to ever beat an Allard". 543 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:14,340 I said, well, I could. 544 00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:15,410 And they said, "Well, how could you do that?" 545 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,910 I said, well, I'd make a car that could out run it. 546 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,920 They said, "No, no, forget all that." 547 00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:24,120 - And there was a lot of discussion. 548 00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:26,990 I suspect there were some jokes back and forth. 549 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,890 - And later on, one of the guys there says, 550 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,260 he came to me and he says, 551 00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:33,290 "Is that really true, you can build a car 552 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:34,760 that would beat an Allard?" 553 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,330 I said, absolutely. 554 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,830 - But this is what resulted. 555 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:41,130 So, what do we have here? 556 00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:44,040 Tube frame, coil over shock absorbers 557 00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:48,740 on a rear axle, all four junk yard suspension components. 558 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:53,210 Big GMC truck motor and a beautiful aluminum body. 559 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:56,120 And that is the Tatum GMC Special, 560 00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:58,120 as it was. 561 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,220 First raced in 1953. 562 00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:14,030 - There was a certain amount of talent 563 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:17,970 that was developed just by the men being there 564 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:21,140 and racing and every race, they got better. 565 00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:22,840 They learned more about their vehicle, 566 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,310 their vehicles got better, 567 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:26,950 and therefore, their talent grew. 568 00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:29,850 - That whole era of designing cars 569 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,790 and building them and racing them. 570 00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:35,820 Was so influential in my life 571 00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:38,060 because you got to see guys who built stuff 572 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:40,030 with their hands. 573 00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:43,360 And the lines that came out in some of these cars 574 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,530 were really excellent. 575 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:47,270 I mean, as good as anything that came out 576 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:48,570 of Europe at that time. 577 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,940 - It's really too bad that 578 00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:55,880 more people don't appreciate 579 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,480 just exactly how much thought and work 580 00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:03,780 goes into balancing all of those delicate aspects 581 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,520 to building a car. 582 00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:09,520 - And of course, Phil Hill was in some of those races 583 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,290 and there's some really exciting drivers back then 584 00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:16,600 and it was a fun time and a very early time, 585 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,430 very early period of racing. 586 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:21,600 - The first time I was going to race this car, 587 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:24,070 I looked down and there's masking tape 588 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,210 covering the tachometer, the speedometer, 589 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,940 the oil pressure gauge, they were all taped up. 590 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:34,450 And I turned to Carsten, who owned the car 591 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,150 and I said, what's going on here? 592 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:38,320 What's all this tape? 593 00:29:38,350 --> 00:29:40,390 He says, "I don't want you looking at the instruments, 594 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:43,490 "your job is to look at the road." 595 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,990 Carstens wanted to be sure that I was paying attention 596 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:50,260 and looking straight ahead and he was right. 597 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,970 He was, bless you, Tom, thanks. 598 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,300 - Tell you how wonderful it was 599 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:58,010 to walk around the pits and see 600 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,340 all the innovation, ideas that were going on 601 00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:05,080 from these guys that were building these cars. 602 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:08,950 Nothing like that today, absolutely different. 603 00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:15,160 - A well known driver was Ernie McAfee, 604 00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:18,930 who was working on other people's cars 605 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,490 for quite some time. 606 00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:25,100 - Below a large sign, it was very visible. 607 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,240 Was Turtle Wax, a huge thing of Turtle Wax. 608 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:34,010 And down below was Ernie's shop. 609 00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:38,180 And he took care of everybody, 610 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:39,880 he was an engineer. 611 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:43,320 He was a first rate mechanic, 612 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:46,150 he competed in Montville, 613 00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:48,120 hot rods and so forth earlier on. 614 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,060 When my dad started Remak Engineering he backed him. 615 00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:54,960 Ernie always wanted to drive sports cars 616 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,570 and so my dad financed his career, started it 617 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600 in sports car racing in California. 618 00:31:01,630 --> 00:31:04,940 - In 1952, Ernie entered the Mexican Road Race 619 00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:07,370 with a co-driver, Jack McAfee. 620 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:09,440 They were not related. 621 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,950 They entered and came in fifth 622 00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:13,580 in the Mexican Road Race. 623 00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:15,950 - My father became frustrated being a mechanic 624 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:19,290 and in 1954 really decided to go racing. 625 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,290 He raced before, but not seriously. 626 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,390 - Ernie was such a good driver. 627 00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:26,660 He would drive in the under three liter class 628 00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:29,130 in the Monza and win that. 629 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,970 And then he would jump right into the 44 Ferrari 630 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,570 into the main event and win that. 631 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,410 And he did that a bunch of times. 632 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:44,340 - This car is a 1516 OSCA engine 633 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:45,980 with . 634 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:48,120 The car has quite an interesting history. 635 00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:51,450 It started off as a OSCA entry in the 1955 La Mans, 636 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,390 where the driver name's Roberto, 637 00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:55,020 who failed to finish. 638 00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:57,220 After that, the car came back through the league 639 00:31:57,260 --> 00:32:00,230 and a few races again as a factory car. 640 00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:02,030 Did a few things on it and then sold it 641 00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:03,160 on to America. 642 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,630 Now the car was at that time owned 643 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:08,600 by the OSCA distributor John in Arizona 644 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,040 called Chapman. 645 00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:14,540 He then contacted Ernie McAfee in late '55 646 00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:17,710 and said, Ernie, you anyway participate in race 647 00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:19,550 how about you try to compete this car 648 00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:21,380 on my behalf and therefore, 649 00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:23,350 spread the OSCA gospel. 650 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:26,120 - In the 1956 Pebble Beach, he entered 651 00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:29,220 an OSCA MT4 in the small car race 652 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:33,060 and the 44 Ferrari in the main event. 653 00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:36,030 - He did quite well, led the group 654 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:40,100 the under 1500 cc on a Sunday, then the distributor, 655 00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:41,630 the rotor broke. 656 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,670 He had to retire and hop into his now infamous 657 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,110 121 LM Ferrari. 658 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:49,580 - And as Jack McAfee tells it, 659 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:53,510 the 857 Sport of Jack McAfee was overtaken 660 00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:55,680 by 121 LM of Ernie McAfee. 661 00:32:56,750 --> 00:33:00,650 - And Jack said that he missed a shift 662 00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:02,790 then got in the wrong gear 663 00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:08,400 in a corner and went straight into a tree. 664 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:16,500 - He just, there was never any doubt 665 00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:19,110 what his passion was. 666 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:21,810 Growing up he was always cars, 667 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,340 cars, and more cars. 668 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:28,120 - Jack McAfee started in MG that was sponsored 669 00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:30,150 and owned by John Edgar. 670 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:33,750 - John Edgar had this real famous MG, 671 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:37,860 number 88 that Ernie McAfee kept at his shop 672 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:39,660 and did all the work on. 673 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:42,160 - Because the Edgar MG did so poorly 674 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,100 in the first Pebble Beach race, one lap, 675 00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:48,870 a lot of effort out of Ernie McAfee's engineering 676 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,740 shop went into preparation 677 00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:55,110 for the second 1951 Pebble Beach race. 678 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,210 When the McAfee's, Jack and Ernie 679 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:02,550 loaded the MG 88 on to the trailer 680 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:03,880 to take it to Pebble Beach, 681 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,690 they got as far as the Ridge route, 682 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,820 the wheel on the trailer came off 683 00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:11,690 and rolled out into a canyon. 684 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:15,560 So there it was with the trailer inoperable, 685 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,200 no wheel to replace it. 686 00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:19,330 - You know, my dad was kind of asking Ernie 687 00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:22,640 what he thought they should do and Ernie said, 688 00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:26,470 "Well, let's roll it off the trailer 689 00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:28,780 "and just drive it up there." 690 00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:31,280 - So, he drove the race car, 691 00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:35,650 the short stacks, no mufflers. 692 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,790 - Exhaust headers about this long. 693 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:41,290 - The loudest thing you could ever imagine 694 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,420 from Grapevine on the Ridge route 695 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:46,560 all the way to Pebble Beach. 696 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:48,900 He said when he got there, 697 00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:50,500 he couldn't hear a thing. 698 00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:52,600 He says it's probably one of the reasons now, 699 00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:54,330 which he told me a few years ago, 700 00:34:54,370 --> 00:34:58,170 before he passed, that I don't hear too well. 701 00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:02,240 - And he graduated to Porsches 702 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,940 and then graduated from there into Ferraris. 703 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:08,880 He had a fairly long career that went beyond a decade 704 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520 and was very successful in his reason. 705 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:13,390 - Today we're sitting in front 706 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:17,290 of the 857 Sport serial number 0588, 707 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,260 that's in the Les Wexner collection. 708 00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:22,700 Very fascinating history on the 857 Sport 709 00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:25,870 in that it was a factory team car 710 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:29,740 originally given to Olivier Gendebien 711 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:31,440 and Masten Gregory. 712 00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:34,610 Their first time out in the car during practice, 713 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,210 they crashed the car, rolled the car. 714 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,710 After the factory rebuild, 0588 was sold 715 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,420 directly to John Edgar, who was a California businessman, 716 00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:47,390 who was one of the original Ferrari race teams. 717 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:50,820 Jack McAfee driving for John Edgar's team 718 00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:54,230 was terrifically successful in the 857 Sport 719 00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:56,800 all the way to 1956 Pebble Beach, 720 00:35:56,830 --> 00:35:58,800 where he was third overall. 721 00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:08,480 - The course itself was really interesting. 722 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:12,610 We got some practice, I can't remember just how much. 723 00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:14,410 The course wasn't too hard to learn, 724 00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:17,320 there were only approximately five turns 725 00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:19,290 that really were turns. 726 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:24,490 The change in elevation was the interesting part. 727 00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:27,530 Up at the top of the course, 728 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,460 was like a more or less a hairpin 729 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,830 and then you were on a downhill section, 730 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:35,770 which was quite fast. 731 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,940 Then into the bottom turn, 732 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:42,410 which was about a 90 degree turn 733 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,580 back to the start finish. 734 00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:47,550 It was an enjoyable track to drive. 735 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:51,680 - The thing you worry about, I worry about 736 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,420 is getting through that first turn. 737 00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:56,020 I mean, that is a crucial thing, 738 00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:58,330 getting stopped, not over doing it, 739 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,630 so easy you can't even get your right foot off the floor. 740 00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:04,660 I mean, you are glued all the way to the firewall. 741 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,730 - In the shadows that the trees created 742 00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:10,470 and then as you ran your cars through the course, 743 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:12,970 there was this strobe effect 744 00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:15,480 that was distracting to many. 745 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:18,650 - He was standing in the paddock 746 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,610 listening to the cars going around. 747 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,690 You could tell the sound they make 748 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,020 going through the trees. 749 00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:31,890 Usually exactly what was going on in that car 750 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,930 a mile away. 751 00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,800 When he'd change gears, when he'd brake. 752 00:37:36,830 --> 00:37:40,970 And of course, straight pipes, were the only thing. 753 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:45,070 You were allowed to make it as slow as you want to. 754 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,710 And everybody did. 755 00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:52,350 I wear two hearing aids most of the time. 756 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:56,880 - It was pretty exciting on the starting line 757 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,650 because all our cars had to be hand pushed to start. 758 00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:02,820 And then they wanted to have a standing start, 759 00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:04,360 so everybody was sitting there 760 00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:05,990 with their engines running like crazy 761 00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:08,130 wanting to get off the line. 762 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,870 And when we got the flag, it was a real scramble. 763 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,070 Guys were going in all directions it seems. 764 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,500 And it was pretty exciting. 765 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:22,940 - The first time that we saw the course, 766 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:24,110 there was this 767 00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:27,050 literal wandering path 768 00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:30,680 through the Del Monte Forest. 769 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,990 Fortunately, the old corral was there 770 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:38,990 where the horses had been. 771 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:41,160 You could sit on the fence there 772 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:44,960 and watch them go by on the straight away. 773 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,670 - So you had to watch where you stepped 774 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:50,370 'cause you were walking around in the pits. 775 00:38:59,510 --> 00:39:01,910 - I must've started under him 776 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:04,880 in Northern California, even Southern California 777 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,850 and I remember him today with this white 778 00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:09,920 and red shirt on. 779 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,130 He was a portly gentleman, but quite active 780 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,930 and he could jump like a kangaroo, 781 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,100 which he managed to do at the end of every race. 782 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:20,430 But he also got half way out in the race course 783 00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:21,930 and then it was sort of a challenge 784 00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:23,600 whether you were gonna hit him or not 785 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,070 and he wanted to be close to the car, 786 00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:27,810 so he was in the picture you see 787 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,780 when you came across the start finish line. 788 00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:32,480 But this was unnerving, because you never knew 789 00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:33,880 where he was gonna be. 790 00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:36,120 He was a darn good starter. 791 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,190 When he ran from the lead cars to the back 792 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:42,760 to the line we would try to watch him coming, 793 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:43,960 you know, and try to outguess, 794 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:48,030 which we couldn't do because we'd be jazzing the engines 795 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:49,800 and then he wouldn't do anything, 796 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:51,130 he'd just stand there flat footed 797 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,670 and then all of a sudden, he'd leap three feet 798 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:55,840 in the air and we were supposed to be off. 799 00:39:55,870 --> 00:39:58,200 I had a good respect for him, 800 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,640 but I think he was in the bullfighting business 801 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,140 or something before he signed up 802 00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:07,180 for the Sports Car Club. 803 00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:17,120 - Pebble Beach wasn't very popular 804 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,030 because once they knew where it was. 805 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:22,500 Plus the fact that it drew a crowd 806 00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:25,060 from Los Angeles as far as the drivers, 807 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,770 as well as Northern California. 808 00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:31,000 - It was the first time that we'd 809 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,010 first me all the guys that came up from Southern California. 810 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,810 And they were a totally different group 811 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,610 than the guys that raced around the Bay area. 812 00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:44,780 These guys were far more professionally race oriented 813 00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:49,690 than the sort of the amateur gentlemen racers 814 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,560 that you found San Francisco. 815 00:40:51,590 --> 00:40:54,830 These guys had a lot of hot rod background. 816 00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:57,130 So instead of running MG engines, 817 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,300 they were running V860s. 818 00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:02,570 So there was a whole transition there 819 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,570 that went away. 820 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,040 The guys that came up from Southern California 821 00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:08,010 were a whole different kind of racers. 822 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,810 - And of course, you had your rivalries, 823 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,650 but it was still something that you supported 824 00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:16,980 one another in. 825 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:20,150 - And it was getting more aggressive all the time. 826 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:23,520 More competition, more money involved, 827 00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:28,260 people from back East were coming out. 828 00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:29,760 - We didn't have any foreign drivers. 829 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,670 One has to remember that we're simply, 830 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:36,040 this was a fletchling bonus of a new course. 831 00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:38,710 It didn't have the draw 832 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:40,740 of a fixed, known venue. 833 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:45,210 I think that played into the fact 834 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,580 that we didn't have a lot of drivers 835 00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:49,080 from the East Coast. 836 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,920 Jim Kimberly was one of the few that made the effort. 837 00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:54,150 - Kimberly was a hell of a good driver 838 00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:55,790 and he was doing well in the race 839 00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:57,920 until the big sweeper at turn three, 840 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,360 Jim Kimberly rolled his 166 Marketta 841 00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:04,300 and who was there to give him a kiss 842 00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:07,230 and make sure that he was not feeling too bad 843 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:08,670 about everything? 844 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,040 Ginger Rogers. 845 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,080 - It was pretty obvious that the movie industry 846 00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:21,910 did not overlook the fact that we had already found 847 00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:25,050 these beautiful scenic places to race. 848 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,290 The film Fast and Furious was shot there. 849 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,320 - Connie, will you give me a break? 850 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,090 You drive people off roads, 851 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:35,290 you engined men unconscious. 852 00:42:35,330 --> 00:42:37,730 - Alright, don't give me a break, 853 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,770 just remember I've got a gun 854 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,170 and I know how to use it. 855 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,300 - We had a shop here on Sunset Boulevard, 856 00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:45,240 Remak Engineering. 857 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:47,140 I was over there at bench race 858 00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:49,110 every Saturday and one of the customers, 859 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:50,880 Remak Engineering was Steve McQueen. 860 00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:53,080 So I got to know Steve McQueen and sort 861 00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:54,350 of the Hollywood group. 862 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:56,380 - I got to know Steve fairly well 863 00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:58,820 because I was running a company then 864 00:42:58,850 --> 00:43:01,690 and we had a motorcycle type machine 865 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,990 that he wanted to play with. 866 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:08,160 Steve took one of these and broke it in an hour. 867 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:12,730 He was tough on cars and I don't know about girlfriends, 868 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:14,830 but he was tough on cars. 869 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,670 - The nexus between Hollywood and it's honor 870 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:22,410 and speed, which in those period 871 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,080 was very much a personal thing. 872 00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:26,810 So, you know, you could basically buy a car 873 00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:27,910 and race it yourself. 874 00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:30,420 Don't need a big team behind you, became a little bit 875 00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:32,380 of a weekend hero type. 876 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,420 And that feeling kind of attracted a lot of gizmo types. 877 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:40,690 I think you look at all this mix and say, 878 00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:43,100 you know, it was a very special time, Yogi Berra. 879 00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:46,170 - Jackie Cooper was a frequent visitor 880 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,430 to the races. 881 00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:49,840 It's a romantic place, at a Highway one, 882 00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:52,940 boy oh boy, you know, Kim Novak lives there, 883 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:54,270 that's enough for me right there. 884 00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:56,080 I don't even need to see her, 885 00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:59,180 I just know she lives on Highway One. 886 00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:02,180 - All of a sudden the guy came out 887 00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:03,720 and he was talking to me and he says, 888 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:05,820 "We're making a movie called Johnny Dark, 889 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:07,350 "it's about road racing." 890 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:09,220 For those of you who just tuned in, 891 00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:11,020 we are speaking to you from the starting point 892 00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:12,830 of the border-to-border race. 893 00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:16,400 A three day, 2200 mile ride from Canada to Mexico. 894 00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:18,800 - And suppose you do lose the race? 895 00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:19,700 Who cares? 896 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,470 - I care. 897 00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:25,440 - We'd like to rent your car. 898 00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:26,340 I said no. 899 00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:30,780 I knew I had a good car and I was proud 900 00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,910 somebody wanted me to be involved in it, you know. 901 00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:36,520 But along the way, they kept calling me up. 902 00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:39,890 Wanted to know if I'd rent my car. 903 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,090 I said no, and no one ever asked me 904 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,090 to be an actor before. 905 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,260 Finally it turned out, we're sending you a contract. 906 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,500 Off, stay off the track. 907 00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:54,930 - And the brakes went. 908 00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:57,440 So help me, coming round the turn I lost them. 909 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:58,540 Maybe it was a brake fail. 910 00:44:58,570 --> 00:45:02,980 - Then the brake drums would be hot, wouldn't they? 911 00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:05,280 Oh, you can do better than that, Duke. 912 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:06,310 - Forget it. 913 00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:09,050 - Johnny, he was trying to explain, 914 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,280 you didn't give him a chance. 915 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,920 - I thought, well, you're gonna need 916 00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:15,550 a lot of money in life, you better make 917 00:45:15,590 --> 00:45:17,160 as much as you can. 918 00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:20,260 - Liz, so I lost the race, who cares? 919 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,430 - I care. 920 00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,070 - I made about $10,000 off of that thing. 921 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,870 Most money that I ever made in my life. 922 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,440 Screwing around with race cars in Hollywood. 923 00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:41,410 - Pebble Beach started in controversy 924 00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:43,250 and ended in tragedy. 925 00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:47,050 John von Neumann entered a new TD 926 00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:51,020 and he ended up winning the race. 927 00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:55,390 With a guy named Bill Carrigan second in another MG. 928 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:58,260 - And we ran three or four races together. 929 00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,870 He would win it, I would win it. 930 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,840 And when it got to be a habit form, 931 00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:06,610 a speech Johnny. 932 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,510 - He was the importer for Porsche cars 933 00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:14,350 and came up with the first 356 Porsches. 934 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:17,380 Nobody had ever seen anything like the Porsches. 935 00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:20,920 You know, I mean, rear engine air cool. 936 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:21,790 I mean, this is a total departure 937 00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:24,590 from our English background with the MGs. 938 00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:28,390 - I caught up with him on the uphill. 939 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:31,060 I tried to go through the turn with him. 940 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,270 So I'm going through the turn sideways, 941 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,540 I ended up in a ditch. 942 00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:40,110 I lost a lot of ground so I had two laps to go. 943 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:43,440 By the time I got to the last lap, 944 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,250 I'd caught him, second place is second place. 945 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,950 - After the race, the SCCA disqualified him 946 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,560 claiming that he had ethanol in his fuel. 947 00:46:56,590 --> 00:47:00,560 Not only that, the SCCA said that all of the entrants 948 00:47:00,590 --> 00:47:04,630 were required to drain their fuel before the race 949 00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:09,570 and refill it with the fuel at the track. 950 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,170 John didn't do that, so he was disqualified. 951 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:19,010 - In the mail, a letter, from one of the officials 952 00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:21,080 Sport Car of America. 953 00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:23,120 Awarding me first place. 954 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,520 It was a surprise. 955 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,290 I always wondered, through the years, 956 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,530 if anybody ever remembered that 957 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,030 because I always thought I was the only one. 958 00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:41,030 But now, originally I found out different. 959 00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:44,200 It still doesn't matter, I was second. 960 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,490 - Sterling Edwards bought the car new 961 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,390 and he really wanted to race it at Pebble Beach. 962 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:05,360 So he entered it and Phil Remington 963 00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:07,030 was his mechanic. 964 00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:09,000 - I went out to test the car 965 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:11,560 and came in after a couple of laps 966 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,930 and told Phil, there's something wrong 967 00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,700 with the handling of the car. 968 00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:21,240 So Phil crawled underneath the car for a little bit 969 00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:24,610 and tinkered around and sent dad back out 970 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,610 and dad came in the next lap 971 00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:29,580 and said, no, there's still something wrong with the car. 972 00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:32,750 - He says, well, take it out and see what you think of it. 973 00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:36,390 So I took it out and we were probably doing 974 00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:39,690 90 or 95 and as I was coming up the hill 975 00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:45,100 on this Jaguar, some fellow in a Jupiter, 976 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:50,040 so I nailed him and might've hit a couple of pine trees 977 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:53,370 and shortened the car about four feet. 978 00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:54,440 - So the guy leading the race 979 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:57,540 was the other C Jag, so that guy gets a big sign, 980 00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:00,480 pit now and the driver, you know, 981 00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:03,120 he was driver, not owner, he comes in and said, 982 00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:05,020 "What are you doing, I'm winning the race?" 983 00:49:05,050 --> 00:49:06,390 And the owner said, "You're sitting 984 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:07,590 "in Mr. Edwards' car." 985 00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:09,590 So Sterling just wrote him a check 986 00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:12,290 and he said, "Bring the car in." 987 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,530 And finished the race in his new C Jag. 988 00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:17,760 - It was a pretty good shunt, 989 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,670 but it didn't damage the chassis or anything. 990 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:23,300 It still has the original tub tail section 991 00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:26,310 door and the rest of it. 992 00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:36,750 - The moment of truth is when the starter. 993 00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:39,790 Starts his run back between the cars 994 00:49:40,850 --> 00:49:42,720 and that's when you know, 995 00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:45,520 for the 97th time you check to make sure 996 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,260 the ignition and all, the car's in the right gear. 997 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:50,360 God forbid if you had you know, 998 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,100 this is a three speed box. 999 00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:53,670 When he finally came back up. 1000 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,700 My adrenal glands were in high speed 1001 00:49:58,770 --> 00:50:02,310 and just when he told us to fire up, 1002 00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:05,310 I hit the starter button and this thing 1003 00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:07,810 just let out a boom, you know, 1004 00:50:07,850 --> 00:50:11,250 and it actually blew a piece of asphalt 1005 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,190 about the size of a salad plate 1006 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:18,090 off it, knocked it right on the gloss 1007 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,360 and knocked it right onto the side 1008 00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:21,130 of Michael Graham's car. 1009 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,830 And I thought, well, game is ship, 1010 00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,700 he's out of the race right now. 1011 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:31,170 When my exhaust will put a dent in his car. 1012 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,110 - I don't know how much those cars cost back then. 1013 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:38,340 My father didn't really have to concern himself with that. 1014 00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:41,250 He was fronted the car by Chuck Hornberg, 1015 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,480 but I do remember him saying 1016 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,750 that the best thing was to actually not race your own car 1017 00:50:47,790 --> 00:50:50,290 race someone else's car. 1018 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,420 - My dad would help out some kid with his MG 1019 00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:54,330 while they're calling his name 1020 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,530 to ask him to come up for the start line. 1021 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,400 I remember Sir once saying, "Lou, you can help that kid 1022 00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:01,300 "after your race, so will you please 1023 00:51:01,330 --> 00:51:02,470 "come up to the line? 1024 00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:03,840 "Mr. Hill and a few other people 1025 00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:07,540 "will enjoy having a drive with you." 1026 00:51:07,570 --> 00:51:10,780 - Al Moss came up to me a couple of years ago. 1027 00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:13,380 He said, "You're McAfee's boy, aren't you?" 1028 00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:14,380 And I said, yeah. 1029 00:51:14,410 --> 00:51:16,350 And he said, "Well, I've got a story for you." 1030 00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:19,150 He said, you know, at the first Pebble Beach 1031 00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:22,650 my fan belt came off and he was driving 1032 00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:23,690 a J2 Allard. 1033 00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:26,560 He goes, "My fan belt came off 1034 00:51:26,590 --> 00:51:29,530 "and I came into the pits and your dad was standing there, 1035 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,460 "and he said, Jack, get a screwdriver, 1036 00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:34,570 "a big screwdriver, we've got to get 1037 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,870 "this fan belt back on." 1038 00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:38,700 And somehow he goes, you know, "Your dad 1039 00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:40,610 "just grabbed the belt with his hands 1040 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,680 "and got it around the pulley and put it on 1041 00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:46,450 "just like that and off I went." 1042 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,280 And he said, "I'll never forget that." 1043 00:51:48,310 --> 00:51:52,450 That's how casual things were back then, you know, 1044 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,920 it was guys, it was drivers helping drivers 1045 00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:59,590 and you know, it was that kind of camaraderie 1046 00:51:59,630 --> 00:52:02,230 that made that era so special. 1047 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,500 - So 1955 was a big year for my father 1048 00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:08,870 at Pebble Beach. 1049 00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:12,400 It kind of was the icing on the cake, sort of speak 1050 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,970 for what his whole experience over the years 1051 00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:16,580 at Pebble Beach was. 1052 00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:20,450 That year he decided to not only enter the race, 1053 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,750 racing the 750 Monza for Alan Geiberson. 1054 00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:27,920 And it rained that year, so it was a very tricky race. 1055 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:34,530 - I think it was quite an effective race car. 1056 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,700 Most Ferraris in those early days 1057 00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:39,700 were B12s and they continued with that, 1058 00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:42,300 but during these years, they built 1059 00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:44,700 some of these four cylinder light weight cars 1060 00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:47,340 and they were quite good. 1061 00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:49,480 Obviously by the way that this car 1062 00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:51,680 was able to compete for a whole year. 1063 00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:54,880 - He made an outstanding performance in that 1064 00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:57,780 and it just showed the real dominance 1065 00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:00,720 of what the Ferrari could do on that course 1066 00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:02,950 and he won the race with it 1067 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:05,890 and the car that Phil Hill won the 1955 race with, 1068 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,400 the 750 Monza, came into Carroll Shelby's hands 1069 00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:13,630 the following year, and he won the race, 1070 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:16,470 the main event with the same car. 1071 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:17,870 - I really enjoyed having it 1072 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:21,040 and realize what a wonderful car 1073 00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:23,610 that Ferrari makes and the fact 1074 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,010 that Phil and Carroll both won several events in it. 1075 00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:31,780 Make it and I won my first sports car race in it, 1076 00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:34,820 so it's got a lot of history for me. 1077 00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:37,460 It's kind of an interesting car to own 1078 00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:39,890 still at this time of my life. 1079 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,530 - Another well known name and another Grand Prix racer, 1080 00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:47,570 is Pete Lovely. 1081 00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:51,600 Pete Lovely came down from the Pacific Northwest. 1082 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,340 His first car that he drove here, 1083 00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:55,710 if I remember correctly, was a home built 1084 00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:58,680 Porsche powered Volkswagen special. 1085 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,610 He did quite well in that car. 1086 00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:04,450 It had a Cooper body. 1087 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,080 It had been a former Streamliner 1088 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,790 that had bone to Bonneville 1089 00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:09,590 to set records and they bought the car 1090 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:12,460 without the engine, put in a Porsche engine in it 1091 00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:15,660 and they called it a VW Porsche Special. 1092 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:19,330 And it was also known for it's short name, 1093 00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:20,430 the Pooper. 1094 00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:24,600 In one race, he was running up front in his group, 1095 00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:28,870 when a throttle spring broke. 1096 00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:30,780 So he drove the balance of the race 1097 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:32,940 with one had behind him actuating the throttle, 1098 00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:34,950 which was a rear engine car and driving 1099 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,350 with the other hand and he finished the race 1100 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:38,350 and did quite well. 1101 00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:41,820 Pete Lovely went on to win the very first race 1102 00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:43,490 at Laguna Seca in a Ferrari. 1103 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,860 - After John von Neumann, who was leading the race 1104 00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:48,730 in his Ferrari, kind of lost a bit 1105 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,960 on the final turn. 1106 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,470 Beyond that, he then traveled over to Europe. 1107 00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,700 He had a Lotus Formula One car, 1108 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:58,670 as a privateer race in many Formula One races, 1109 00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:59,940 came back to the United States 1110 00:54:59,970 --> 00:55:02,770 and was a vintage racer in his cars 1111 00:55:02,810 --> 00:55:05,480 and a car restorer up in the Northwest 1112 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:09,650 for many, many years and just passed away here recently. 1113 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,780 Skip Hudson was a teenage friend 1114 00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:13,990 of Dan Gurney's. 1115 00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:16,090 They both got into sports car racing 1116 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,760 and while Skip Hudson was over shadowed by Gurney, 1117 00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:21,430 'cause Gurney went on to international fame. 1118 00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:24,130 He was never the well-known driver 1119 00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:28,570 that some of his compatriots, always overshadowed, 1120 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,770 but a very good driver, nonetheless. 1121 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,810 - He loved racing and fast cars I think, 1122 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,680 probably more intensely than anybody I know. 1123 00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:39,680 I mean, you get to talk to Skip 1124 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:41,580 and he'd come up right in your face 1125 00:55:41,610 --> 00:55:43,720 and his eyes would just focus on you 1126 00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:45,950 and he was just vibrating about it. 1127 00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:47,990 He was so passionate about this stuff. 1128 00:55:48,020 --> 00:55:51,820 And a terrific driver and he never made it 1129 00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:56,600 and had a chance sometimes, and it just never clicked 1130 00:55:56,630 --> 00:56:00,770 for him the way it should've, but great guy, great guy. 1131 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,670 - The Speedster, it's a perfect creation. 1132 00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:09,040 It's one of the most beautiful automobiles 1133 00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:11,980 in my opinion, that has ever been made. 1134 00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:14,110 It's just a perfect balanced machine. 1135 00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:16,620 And I think he thought exactly the same, 1136 00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:19,720 that this car would be perfect for racing. 1137 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:22,920 It's compact, it's small, and it just looks sturdy 1138 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:24,020 in every way. 1139 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,730 Skip Hudson wanted to be seen by the photographers. 1140 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,560 He wanted to stand out, to be able to come into the press. 1141 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,930 All his race cars was either white, red, 1142 00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:37,740 gray, there was nothing unique to them. 1143 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,170 So he decided to put two stipes down the front 1144 00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:42,740 running down the back, and it did work. 1145 00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:44,880 It drew attention of all the photographers. 1146 00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:46,680 There again, is it a myth? 1147 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:47,680 Is it a story? 1148 00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:49,650 Could it actually be a fact that Skip Hudson 1149 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,750 was the guy who started the stripes 1150 00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:55,920 down the middle of the sports cars that we see today? 1151 00:56:58,820 --> 00:57:00,730 But of course, the most famous outing 1152 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,830 of my Speedster, would be 1153 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,800 1956 Pebble Beach races. 1154 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:11,100 On the 17th lap, Skip Hudson was maintaining first place 1155 00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:14,570 until he lost control of little Speedster, 1156 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:16,610 he crashed into some tree stumps, 1157 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,110 the left front panel was actually damaged, 1158 00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:20,910 but it wasn't damaged enough 1159 00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:22,510 so he couldn't continue the race 1160 00:57:22,550 --> 00:57:23,550 and he did. 1161 00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:27,820 And he actually came second place in that race. 1162 00:57:27,850 --> 00:57:30,090 He's kind of a forgotten race driver. 1163 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,630 And in some of the documents that I found, 1164 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:34,960 that came with my car, 1165 00:57:34,990 --> 00:57:37,960 there's something that he wrote in there, 1166 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,530 which I find a little bit sad 1167 00:57:40,570 --> 00:57:42,530 that he wrote, but it's very true in everything in life. 1168 00:57:42,570 --> 00:57:44,240 He said, "If you don't come first, 1169 00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:46,270 "you're not remembered." 1170 00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:50,110 but there again, why should he have been remembered? 1171 00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:52,540 He was there together with everybody else. 1172 00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:54,310 He was there to start it. 1173 00:57:54,350 --> 00:57:56,080 I mean, who were these young guys? 1174 00:57:56,110 --> 00:57:59,120 They're just normal guys who would jump in their car, 1175 00:57:59,150 --> 00:58:02,290 drive down to the race track and race. 1176 00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:10,900 Imagining Skip Hudson being behind my steering wheel, 1177 00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:14,600 is quite a thought, it's quite amazing, actually 1178 00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:16,740 that I'm over here in Spain 1179 00:58:16,770 --> 00:58:20,270 with Danish origin myself, and I'm driving a car 1180 00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:22,310 that used to race in America. 1181 00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:24,610 I think that's fantastic. 1182 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,230 - One of the things that was most 1183 00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:44,160 intriguing about going down to Pebble Beach 1184 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,930 was the Concord that went along with it. 1185 00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:50,840 - Of course down there, is just who's who 1186 00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:53,300 of beautiful, beautiful automobile. 1187 00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:56,070 - There were a lot of socialites at Pebble Beach. 1188 00:58:56,110 --> 00:58:59,240 They would come down for the conquerors. 1189 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,610 They were just starting to get interested 1190 00:59:02,650 --> 00:59:04,080 in car racing. 1191 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,920 I think that was something new to them. 1192 00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:08,920 - It wasn't just Hollywood. 1193 00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:12,290 There were actresses that were considered 1194 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,130 the sort of thing. 1195 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,230 If you sat at certain tables 1196 00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:22,300 you were identifiable as a socialite. 1197 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,410 - I thought brilliantly arranged 1198 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,280 to have it coincide the same weekend 1199 00:59:31,310 --> 00:59:33,410 as the Concourse that had gone 1200 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,050 through all these years. 1201 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,780 After having started with the car racing 1202 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:39,380 through the forest in 1950. 1203 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:43,090 Then in 1956, the racing being canceled, 1204 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,930 the Concourse kept on running in its own way. 1205 00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:50,860 And had gone through some high and low periods, 1206 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:52,260 but was enjoying generally 1207 00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:55,230 of a very wonderful reputation worldwide. 1208 00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:57,340 - All I remember was good picnics 1209 00:59:57,370 --> 01:00:00,040 on the side of the track, 1210 01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:01,210 great parties. 1211 01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:05,380 Bring your own booze. 1212 01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:07,810 - And pretty girls, oh boy! 1213 01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:11,080 - I remember the picnics much more 1214 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,850 than I do the races. 1215 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,790 - Yeah, it was wonderful. 1216 01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:23,800 - You look back, you think, 1217 01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:26,060 that was a time I could've died. 1218 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:27,830 And this was a time I could've died. 1219 01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:30,340 You wonder how you ever get to be 30 years old. 1220 01:00:30,370 --> 01:00:34,040 - There was a lot of questions about safety 1221 01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:37,080 as far as crowd control, 1222 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:41,110 trees. 1223 01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:45,420 - They had little tires 1224 01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:46,450 and a lot of power. 1225 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,950 So they would be skidding all over the place. 1226 01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:51,190 - The helmets were not much 1227 01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:55,060 than just a normal hat. 1228 01:00:55,090 --> 01:00:57,930 - They did manage to put a few hay bales 1229 01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,160 on the corners, 1230 01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,700 which seemed to help a bit. 1231 01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:05,270 - No place to go for an escape. 1232 01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:09,110 Right off the paddock on the start and finish 1233 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:13,910 there was maybe 10 feet of soft shoulder 1234 01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:16,880 and then the big pine trees are right there. 1235 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,950 So you didn't have much of an avenue of escape. 1236 01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:24,060 - It had this little Philip of danger 1237 01:01:25,890 --> 01:01:27,290 in the background. 1238 01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:31,030 You knew that if something went wrong, 1239 01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:33,530 it could go terribly wrong. 1240 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,170 Instead of scaring people off, 1241 01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:39,370 many people were drawn to it 1242 01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:42,140 because of that. 1243 01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:44,510 So you had a little bit of everything 1244 01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:46,340 in sports car racing. 1245 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,880 - When the accident happened, 1246 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,990 I'm sure I was following. 1247 01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:58,820 Jack McAfee at the time and did not see 1248 01:01:58,860 --> 01:02:00,830 Ernie coming down the hill 1249 01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:02,860 until I heard the crash. 1250 01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:08,230 - Ernie was an aggressive driver. 1251 01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:11,970 Some say that perhaps he shouldn't have driven, 1252 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,540 he should have stayed with engineering, 1253 01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:16,570 which was really his forte. 1254 01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:19,210 But he just loved to drive. 1255 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,910 - You know, his number one asset 1256 01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:23,350 was a mechanic and fabricator. 1257 01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:26,990 And when he stepped into the Ferrari, 1258 01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,890 you know, albeit, he did very well 1259 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,120 for a couple of races, but when you go to Pebble Beach 1260 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,830 and there is no room for error. 1261 01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:39,100 - By now the cars were so fast 1262 01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:40,500 on the Pebble Beach course. 1263 01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:42,870 Through the rises past the trees 1264 01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,270 and hay bales, spectator fencing 1265 01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,340 just you know, a few feet away 1266 01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:49,140 off the course. 1267 01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:50,610 - It was amazing that they didn't have 1268 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,910 an incident like that in the year 1269 01:02:52,940 --> 01:02:54,850 or two previous, 'cause they started having 1270 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,220 some pretty high horse powered cars 1271 01:02:57,250 --> 01:03:00,250 on little tracks like Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach. 1272 01:03:00,290 --> 01:03:02,490 It was really a matter of time 1273 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,460 'til somebody got hurt. 1274 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,530 - Earnie and the 4.4 that he was driving 1275 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,630 was really trying to make up 1276 01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:13,000 and move up on the leaders 1277 01:03:14,130 --> 01:03:17,000 and was doing a spectacular job. 1278 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,240 - He was attempting to pass 1279 01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:24,310 a car on the approach to turn six. 1280 01:03:26,140 --> 01:03:28,480 He missed a downshift. 1281 01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:31,050 He skidded into hay bales 1282 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,620 and ricochet into a tree and died instantly. 1283 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,930 - Ernie McAfee was driving the car in 1956. 1284 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,890 It was damaged very heavily. 1285 01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:45,260 The family that owned it was the Doheny family. 1286 01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,030 They had retained the car after it was crashed. 1287 01:03:48,070 --> 01:03:50,140 They thought, you know, was on the borderline 1288 01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:52,100 of being destroyed, but they painstakingly 1289 01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:54,340 spent two years restoring it, 1290 01:03:54,370 --> 01:03:56,310 bringing it back to its original condition. 1291 01:03:56,340 --> 01:03:58,180 Was always blue with a white stripe 1292 01:03:58,210 --> 01:03:59,950 and the number 76. 1293 01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:01,580 It was probably a late entry, 1294 01:04:01,610 --> 01:04:04,380 so in order to get in, they put a number two on it. 1295 01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:05,980 That was the way that it raced 1296 01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:07,990 at Pebble Beach in 1956. 1297 01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:12,120 - And that accident, the loss of Ernie McAfee, 1298 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,130 not only caused a restart of the race, 1299 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,100 but it caused the finish of the Pebble Beach races. 1300 01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:22,130 They would never race there again. 1301 01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:34,350 After the tragic death of Ernie McAfee 1302 01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:37,520 and after the restart of the race in 1956, 1303 01:04:37,550 --> 01:04:40,250 Carroll Shelby went on to win 1304 01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:42,690 in Decal's 750 Monza. 1305 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,020 Phil Hill was second and Jack McAfee 1306 01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:47,590 driving John Edgar 857S Ferrari. 1307 01:04:48,590 --> 01:04:51,330 A wonderful looking car with a tail fin on it 1308 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:52,230 was third. 1309 01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:54,600 But that was the last of it. 1310 01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:57,100 There would never be any racing at Pebble Beach again. 1311 01:04:57,140 --> 01:05:01,570 Only the time honored and wonderful prestigious 1312 01:05:01,610 --> 01:05:05,410 Concord d'Eleganza continues to this day. 1313 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,350 Now, the races are canceled. 1314 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:09,550 Sam Morse is very concerned, 1315 01:05:09,580 --> 01:05:11,750 and he wants his cash flow to continue 1316 01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:13,180 to come on through. 1317 01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:14,720 He goes to Monterey, 1318 01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:17,320 they concur, they form a group 1319 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,060 they call themselves the Sports Car 1320 01:05:20,090 --> 01:05:24,100 racing on the Monterey Peninsula SCRAMP 1321 01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:27,770 and with the good fortune of a man named Lou Gold, 1322 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,640 was placed as a first chief or head of SCRAMP. 1323 01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:35,610 - And SCRAMP was the group that got together 1324 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,710 with the U.S. Army. 1325 01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:39,740 Who had a little bit of property there 1326 01:05:39,780 --> 01:05:41,080 called . 1327 01:05:41,110 --> 01:05:42,480 They took a corner of 1328 01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:45,480 and in I believe was in 90 days, 1329 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,320 and for a very small sum of money, 1330 01:05:48,350 --> 01:05:50,690 I think it was about $100,000, 1331 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,090 they built Laguna Seca Raceway. 1332 01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:56,690 - So the Pebble Beach races in 1957 1333 01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:58,760 actually continued in name only 1334 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,630 by going to Laguna Seca as the eighth annual 1335 01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:06,340 Pebble Beach National Championship races. 1336 01:06:06,370 --> 01:06:09,270 - In many ways, it's amazing the evolution of this. 1337 01:06:09,310 --> 01:06:12,210 You know, Pebble Beach and some of the pioneers 1338 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,740 driving these cars. 1339 01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:16,050 These heroes through the pine trees 1340 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,780 ended up evolving into a purpose built racetrack 1341 01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:21,350 called Laguna Seca. 1342 01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:22,820 It was a world audience. 1343 01:06:22,850 --> 01:06:26,320 The MOTO GPs, the Grand Am series. 1344 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,230 Some of the most prestigious series in motor sports 1345 01:06:29,260 --> 01:06:32,530 come to Monterey County and guess where they go now? 1346 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:33,560 Laguna Seca. 1347 01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:48,550 - For a long time, after the end of that era, 1348 01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:50,480 it was forgotten. 1349 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,550 And only until, I would say the last 25 years, 1350 01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:57,260 has the remembrance reappeared. 1351 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,830 And a such an interesting piece of history 1352 01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:03,790 of auto racing. 1353 01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:06,130 - I think it's important that we don't only focus 1354 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,530 on the guys that made first place, 1355 01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:10,540 or were driving the most exotic cars at the time, 1356 01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:12,100 like the Ferraris. 1357 01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:14,210 But let's not forget the guys 1358 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,270 that came number two and they were driving 1359 01:07:16,310 --> 01:07:18,310 under 1500 engines. 1360 01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:21,580 And let's not forget their families out there today. 1361 01:07:21,610 --> 01:07:23,510 Let's give them honors as well 1362 01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:26,220 that they were part of history. 1363 01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:35,830 - As far as being a gentleman sport, 1364 01:07:37,630 --> 01:07:40,200 I guess you could say it was. 1365 01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:50,740 - It was a romantic period of racing 1366 01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:52,180 that it's gone, 1367 01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:55,510 it's no longer with us. 1368 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,750 - I miss that exciting time, 1369 01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:07,390 when we were all a large group 1370 01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:10,130 of enthusiasts. 1371 01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:17,370 - It was quite a big thing. 1372 01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:22,440 It was an enjoyable thing at the time, really. 1373 01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,580 - These are the ghosts of Pebble Beach. 1374 01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:30,820 I don't know how else to say it, 1375 01:08:30,850 --> 01:08:32,680 but nothing is really there 1376 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,850 to show you that these races happened. 1377 01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:39,190 And I think this was a much bigger deal 1378 01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:41,890 than people can even fathom today. 1379 01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:46,930 - We look back at that age, 1380 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,930 and every age in the past 1381 01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:51,340 is always called a Golden Age, 1382 01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:52,940 a Heroic Age. 1383 01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:55,510 As a man once said, "You can return to a place, 1384 01:08:55,540 --> 01:08:57,910 "but not to a time." 1385 01:08:57,940 --> 01:09:01,410 The Cal Club days of that era are gone 1386 01:09:01,450 --> 01:09:05,580 and it just remains in photographs, maps, and memories. 1387 01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:12,790 - The words Pebble Beach are just, 1388 01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:15,830 they're almost magical in that 1389 01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:20,200 this is where American sports car racing really began. 1390 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,340 - It was just a magic time. 1391 01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:35,010 Racing through the trees. 1392 01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:42,620 - But it all started at Pebble Beach. 107407

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