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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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(PROGRAM MUSIC PLAYING)
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NARRATOR ON TV: Each of these men
expected to find a 12-year-old girl
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named Tiffany who they'd
chatted with online.
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It's clear what they came for.
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�Are you as horny as I am?�
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I know they always
catch the bad guys.
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If they didn't,
they'd be schlubs.
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You wouldn't watch.
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Ruben Pena thought an
underage girl was home alone.
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Little did he know... Fine. If you
don't like it, change the channel.
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While some of the predators tried to
talk themselves out of the situation...
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Ma.
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...like Manhattan
resident, Carl Mullally.
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She said she was 19.
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Oh, my God.
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We have copies of your onfine chat.
My neighbor's on TV.
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I am so sorry.
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I've never done anything
like this before.
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It was a terrible,
terrible mistake.
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(RINGS DOORBELL)
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Delivery.
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(RINGS DOORBELL)
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Lemon chicken, brown rice?
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Lemon chicken?
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Carl Mullally. 44, 6'2",
weighing in at 195.
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He's a Leo with brown eyes.
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All right, so they
didn't lift his wallet?
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Or anything else
worth taking.
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Well, that ain't
saying much.
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No forced entry.
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Doesn't look like there was a struggle,
and this Mullally dude is big,
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so either he didn't see it coming, or...
Or he knew who was coming.
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What time did the
delivery guy find him?
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About 11:10.
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What you smiling about?
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Novelty. It's not every day
you get one of these.
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He's fresh. I get it.
You got a window?
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Well, with multiple stab wounds,
I'm counting three hours, tops.
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Partner's calling
for you. 2-E.
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All right. I'll
be right back.
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Do you know that
show Hard Focus?
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Yeah, on the 2417
News Network?
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Yeah, Miss Wallace was
watching it tonight.
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Hi. Detective Green.
Hi.
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Thank God for TiVo.
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You're telling us that this is the
first time you sought out a minor...
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I was on the phone
with my mother,
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watching one of those
episodes outing pedophiles
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and look who pops up.
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I've had urges in the past,
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but! knew they were wrong
and I never acted on them.
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What made this time different?
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I really felt like
I connected to Tiffany,
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like we understood each other.
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I know that's sick.
It's wrong,
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and I apologize from
the bottom of my heart.
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This aired just
after 9:00 tonight.
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No wonder Mr. Mullally's dead.
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What a dirtbag.
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How many times you
say he got stabbed?
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Please, sir, just
answer the question.
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How well did you know him?
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Well, he picked up our mail
once when we were out of town.
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He seemed pretty harmless.
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But it's not like he's
gonna wear a T-shirt
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with pedophile stamped
across the front.
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Were you seeing anybody coming in and out
of his apartment on a regular basis?
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Not that we noticed.
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Do you know of anyone
with a beef with Mullally?
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Ever heard any arguments?
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No.
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But have you checked with his
next door neighbor, Evan Fleming?
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He's next on the list.
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He wouldn't do this,
David. He's a doctor.
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Why do you bring him up?
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His daughter's eight.
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FLEMING: I was in
the E.R. until 10:00.
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Home around 10:30.
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GREEN: Where was your daughter?
Here, in bed.
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I got in, the babysitter left.
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I checked in on Abigail and knocked
off about two seconds later.
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On your way in, did you see anyone
in the hall, anyone out of place?
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No one.
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Well, after you got home...
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After you got home,
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did you hear anybody in Mr. Mullally's
apartment, or out here in the hallway?
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I was on my feet 12 hours
yesterday. I was out cold.
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What about you, Abigail? Did
you hear anything next door?
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She was asleep.
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Were you, sweetie?
Yeah.
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Can I watch some TV?
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For 10 minutes.
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How'd you get along
with Mr. Mullally?
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Barely saw him.
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Abigail ever home alone?
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Never. She's all I got.
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Did you see this
Hard Focus segment?
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It was on in the break room.
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You're pretty calm about
all this, Mr. Fleming,
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considering you live next
door to a child molester.
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I don't work in an E.R.
'cause I'm prone to panic.
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And Mr. Mullally's not living
next door anymore, is he?
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Carl Mullally had no record
until Ulster County
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collared him after the
Hard Focus segment.
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So, what's Ulster
know about him?
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No kiddie porn on his computer.
No threats in his emails.
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How did the TV
show dig him up?
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Mullally was trolling the chat
rooms and took the bait
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on a decoy 12-year-old
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set up by this online vigilante
group called Scum Watch.
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Their motto is, "We fill the
gap in law enforcement."
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And now there's a murder.
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What about the delivery
guy who found Mullally?
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Didn't see a soul in the hall.
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And the babysitter confirms
Fleming's timeline.
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So that puts Fleming next door
at the time of the homicide.
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He have a record?
Clean.
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What about the little
girl's mother?
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She hit the road
six years ago.
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So, we've got a single
father who finds out
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he has a pedophile
living next door.
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And does the world a solid.
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Public service homicide?
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Boss, have you seen the
Hard Focus segments?
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I mean, one guy walked
into that house naked,
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another perv brought
his own kid along.
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It's sick stuff.
Yeah, but it's trainwreck TV.
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It's not an investigation.
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Hey, the LUDs from
Mullally's home phone
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show a whole bunch
of short cell-phone calls
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from a woman named
Hannah Welch.
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Look at that, 15 seconds,
5 seconds, 10 seconds
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and one of them was an hour
before he was murdered.
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Track her down.
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WOMAN: Hannah's holed
up in the bathroom.
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She won't come out.
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I'll talk to her. Hey, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
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How you gonna start?
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Ascertain her relationship
with Mullally.
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Then you're gonna
dig for an alibi, right?
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Not ask her favorite color?
Come on.
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I can handle a girl
locked in a bathroom.
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How long had you and Carl
been seeing each other?
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Maybe a month.
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God, I can't believe this.
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He ever mention
anyone bothering him?
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Nothing like that.
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When was the last
time you saw him?
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A few days ago.
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Not at all last night?
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No. I went to a
movie last night.
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So when did you get wind
of the Hard Focus segment?
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This morning.
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It's being passed
around online.
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And a few days ago, that's the
last contact you had with Carl?
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Yeah.
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No phone calls?
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Um...
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I'm sorry.
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I'm not thinking real clear.
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I tried getting in touch
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at his work earlier in the day
and they said he'd been fired.
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I called him to ask about it,
and he wouldn't talk to me.
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What, he was fired before
the segment aired? Yeah.
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Where'd he been working?
A community center.
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Around kids?
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God.
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MAN: Carl was our fix-it man.
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GREEN: Why'd you fire him?
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It was time he moved on.
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Did anything happen
with the kids?
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No.
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Program Director said she
heard you and Carl screaming
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behind closed doors, and then
he wasn't working here anymore.
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I saw him on that show.
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It made me sick
to my stomach.
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That was after you fired him.
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Yeah, but a few weeks ago I got
tipped off the guy was a molester.
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By who?
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I didn't know him. But he said
that Carl was a bad guy.
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So I sat Carl down about
it and he went crazy.
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This tip, did
someone call you?
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No, they stopped in.
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What'd the guy look like?
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He was white, 30s.
Said he was Carl's neighbor.
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He said I should watch
out for the kids.
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Thank you.
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GREEN: Why did you
go to Mullally'sjob?
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You buried the lead, Fleming.
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I mean, why not start with
the guy's a scumbag pedophile?
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'Cause it's over with.
Why do I have to get involved?
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You went to his job to get him fired.
Isn't that getting involved?
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That's keeping kids safe. How'd
you know Mullally was dangerous?
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I got an anonymous note under
my door that said as much.
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Do you have this note?
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I got rid of it.
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Right. So, maybe there
wasn't really a note?
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Maybe there really was an incident
between Mullally and your daughter?
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No. After the note,
I thought there might've been.
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I had a friend, a psychiatrist,
talk to Abigail.
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(CELL PHONE RINGS)
Everything seemed okay.
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Mullally didn't do anything.
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And why didn't you
tell us this earlier?
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Look, I didn't kill him, okay?
GREEN: Hello?
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But when you find out who did, let me know.
I'd like to buy him a steak.
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Yeah? We'll be right there.
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Don't move.
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A guy named Greg Hightower.
Married, father of two.
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And the other star
of last night's Hard Focus.
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Where'd you find him?
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At a bus stop on
59th Street, unconscious.
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He gonna make it?
Doc said he would.
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We looking at a copycat?
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If we are, these dudes are walking
around with targets on their backs.
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The son of a bitch,
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attacked me from behind.
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He wanted to kill me.
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What'd he look like?
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Six foot, brown hair,
driving a Chevy.
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You know, I should sue.
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This never would have happened if that
show hadn't violated my civil rights!
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So you just walked into the Hard
Focus sting to ask for directions?
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I wasn't there for
anything sexual.
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Anything else about this guy
outside your building?
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License plate
started with 1-2-3.
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I made a mental note.
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Just don't forget that
I'm the victim here.
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We won't.
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LOWE: How bad is he?
He's out of ICU.
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Okay.
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You disappointed, Mr. Lowe?
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I don't want to say too much,
but yeah, a little.
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Princeton grad.
A place up in lrvington.
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No record. How does a guy
like you end up a vigilante?
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A week before my daughter's 13th birthday,
she took a class trip into the city.
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She got split off
from her class.
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A guy got her in his car.
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Found her in a suitcase. She'd been
raped and sodomized and strangled.
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Men who do that to children
don't deserve to breathe.
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Men like Carl Mullally?
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I had nothing to do with that,
but I applaud whoever did.
248
00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:38,693
Where were you on
the night he was killed?
249
00:11:38,765 --> 00:11:40,563
In Boston on business.
250
00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:43,136
That sicko's been flying
under the radar for years.
251
00:11:43,469 --> 00:11:46,029
You should see what he writes
online to little girls.
252
00:11:46,105 --> 00:11:47,937
You seem to know an awful
lot about these guys.
253
00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,032
How'd you track down the guy
you clocked, Hightower?
254
00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:52,475
Scum Watch keeps tabs on all
the men they're targeting.
255
00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:55,207
They gave him up to you? Yeah, they're
almost as impotent as you are...
256
00:11:55,281 --> 00:11:56,612
All right, watch your mouth!
257
00:11:56,683 --> 00:11:59,448
What's the point?
My daughter's dead.
258
00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,783
There's nothing more
that you can do to me.
259
00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:07,758
Howard came here because he couldn't
process his daughter's death.
260
00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:10,262
Others are here because
of personal experience.
261
00:12:10,396 --> 00:12:14,060
But if we get any indication that a
member desires physical retribution,
262
00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:15,965
then we ask them to leave,
263
00:12:16,035 --> 00:12:18,834
just like we did with Howard
Lowe, a week after he got here.
264
00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:22,535
Any of your other volunteers agree with Mr.
Lowe's approach?
265
00:12:22,609 --> 00:12:24,304
We keep close
tabs on everyone.
266
00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:28,481
We're going to need a list of your
volunteers, all their contact information.
267
00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:29,709
Anything to help.
268
00:12:29,782 --> 00:12:32,444
Anyone else have
access to your files?
269
00:12:32,619 --> 00:12:34,314
The addresses of
guys you target?
270
00:12:34,387 --> 00:12:35,752
They're strictly confidential.
271
00:12:35,888 --> 00:12:38,880
Except that Hard Focus
gets copies of everything.
272
00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:44,360
No. He looks like awounded
puppy, not a menace to society.
273
00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:45,895
Run it again from
the beginning.
274
00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:49,697
Look, I'm sorry, I have to get this
locked by lunch. This airs tomorrow.
275
00:12:50,036 --> 00:12:52,801
Did Carl Mullally's murder raise
interest in your segments?
276
00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,863
What happened to Mr.
Mullally was tragic,
277
00:12:54,941 --> 00:12:56,136
but I have a hard
time believing
278
00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:59,042
that you have a problem putting
pedophiles behind bars, Detective.
279
00:12:59,145 --> 00:13:00,579
Be careful, Miss Harper.
280
00:13:00,647 --> 00:13:03,878
What I have a problem with is
your show inciting violence.
281
00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:07,281
Whoa, we are well within
our First Amendment rights.
282
00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:08,946
This is a news program.
283
00:13:09,022 --> 00:13:11,218
Journalists in Fallujah don't
pull over roadside bombers
284
00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:12,986
and ask them to sign
release forms.
285
00:13:13,092 --> 00:13:15,288
They're breaking the law,
you just film it?
286
00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:17,759
Carl Mullally was a sick man.
287
00:13:17,997 --> 00:13:20,227
When he was online with
a Scum Watch decoy,
288
00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,166
he talked about
his penis size,
289
00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:24,932
and he asked if the decoy
was on her period
290
00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:28,540
and he had all kinds of specific requests
about the decoy's personal hygiene.
291
00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:30,302
It's all in there. I pulled
it when you called.
292
00:13:30,376 --> 00:13:33,971
That's his transcript, and most
of that is too graphic to air.
293
00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:35,375
Well, if I had to read
this every day,
294
00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:38,349
I might be tempted to take
justice into my own hands.
295
00:13:38,418 --> 00:13:42,218
Look, we all knew Mr. Mullally
was a pervert weeks ago.
296
00:13:42,355 --> 00:13:44,050
But if someone here
wanted to cause him harm,
297
00:13:44,123 --> 00:13:46,114
they did not have to wait
for his show to air.
298
00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:49,321
Of the 75 people on this crew
list that Ellie Harper gave us,
299
00:13:49,395 --> 00:13:52,160
the worst record of any
is a shoplifting charge.
300
00:13:52,298 --> 00:13:53,925
Same song for the
Scum Watch folks.
301
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,959
Well, we need to check if any of these
people pop on Evan Fleming's phone records.
302
00:13:58,071 --> 00:13:59,732
Or Hannah Welch's.
303
00:13:59,972 --> 00:14:02,168
Her movie alibi bothering you?
304
00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:05,439
No ticket stub, no one
at the theater saw her.
305
00:14:05,511 --> 00:14:06,910
Give me a reason to like her.
306
00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:08,708
Can't yet. No record.
307
00:14:08,781 --> 00:14:11,716
Just started work at a temp agency.
New to New York.
308
00:14:11,918 --> 00:14:14,819
Oh, damn. I'm reading
Fleming's LUDs.
309
00:14:15,421 --> 00:14:17,048
He called the Chinese
place that night.
310
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,658
For delivery to Mullally?
311
00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:21,493
Who orders dinner
for a dead man?
312
00:14:22,795 --> 00:14:25,662
CASSADY: Your cell records show
you made a call to the Red Dragon
313
00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:29,066
eight minutes before Mullally's body
was discovered by the delivery guy.
314
00:14:29,135 --> 00:14:30,603
I was hungry.
GREEN: Stop it.
315
00:14:30,803 --> 00:14:32,532
Stop lying and stop
wasting our time.
316
00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:33,970
That food never
came to your door.
317
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,101
CASSADY: The question is, how many years
do you want to be away from your daughter?
318
00:14:37,176 --> 00:14:38,166
I didn't kill him.
319
00:14:39,145 --> 00:14:43,013
You got a chance at light weight if
you cop to it. But you go to trial?
320
00:14:43,082 --> 00:14:44,709
That's 25 years.
321
00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:46,684
GREEN: Your little girl will
be 33 when you get out.
322
00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:47,776
No, come on.
323
00:14:52,191 --> 00:14:54,626
He was already dead
when I got there.
324
00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,057
I checked his pulse.
He was dead.
325
00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:57,187
Why'd you order him dinner?
326
00:14:57,263 --> 00:14:59,288
So the delivery guy would
find him and call it in,
327
00:14:59,365 --> 00:15:01,129
so I didn't have to get
in the middle of it.
328
00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:03,931
Okay. So what were
you so worried about?
329
00:15:04,036 --> 00:15:06,130
I was protecting my daughter.
330
00:15:06,305 --> 00:15:07,295
I was asleep.
331
00:15:07,607 --> 00:15:09,701
I wake up, I see Abi
standing in the door.
332
00:15:09,776 --> 00:15:12,268
She said she'd heard a fight
through her wall and went to look.
333
00:15:12,678 --> 00:15:16,205
She saw someone run out of Mullally's
apartment with a knife in her hand.
334
00:15:16,315 --> 00:15:17,976
Her hand? A woman?
335
00:15:18,217 --> 00:15:19,207
That's what she said.
336
00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:23,078
You've been changing your tune
an awful lot, Mr. Fleming.
337
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:26,181
That son of a bitch
babysat her twice.
338
00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:30,094
The shrink said nothing
happened, but if it did...
339
00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:34,959
I just don't want
her traumatized.
340
00:15:35,034 --> 00:15:38,800
I don't want her on the stand being
cross-examined about it. Okay?
341
00:15:39,071 --> 00:15:40,232
(KNOCKING ON WINDOW)
342
00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,547
All right, this is a third
version of the story.
343
00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:51,845
When does it end?
344
00:15:51,918 --> 00:15:53,283
We gotta bring
the daughter in.
345
00:15:53,653 --> 00:15:55,815
If Fleming's telling
the truth now,
346
00:15:55,888 --> 00:15:58,289
that means he coached
his daughter earlier
347
00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:00,449
to say that she
didn't hear anything,
348
00:16:00,526 --> 00:16:02,620
so how reliable
can she be?
349
00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:03,785
Still.
350
00:16:04,564 --> 00:16:05,554
You're buying it?
351
00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:09,133
Why would he go to Mullally's work
to get him fired and then kill him?
352
00:16:09,235 --> 00:16:11,829
He saw that Hard Focus
segment, he lost his mind.
353
00:16:11,938 --> 00:16:13,997
Then why call the delivery
guy to find Mullally?
354
00:16:14,073 --> 00:16:15,734
Why not just shut the door
and take a powder?
355
00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:16,798
Guilt!
356
00:16:17,443 --> 00:16:19,810
Look, I get it, there's
a lot of reasons to doubt him,
357
00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:21,904
but my gut says pursue it.
358
00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:23,371
Your gut, huh?
359
00:16:27,086 --> 00:16:28,076
Yeah.
360
00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:32,085
All right. Bring
in the daughter.
361
00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,252
But I'll talk to her,
362
00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:35,984
all right?
363
00:16:39,265 --> 00:16:42,394
I was asleep, and a noise
next door woke me up.
364
00:16:43,035 --> 00:16:45,800
It was Mr. Mullally.
He yelled out.
365
00:16:46,305 --> 00:16:49,900
And when you heard all this
noise, where was your father?
366
00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:53,310
He was asleep in his chair
in front of the TV.
367
00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:55,637
And then what did you do?
368
00:16:56,649 --> 00:16:58,981
I went to go look
out the door.
369
00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:01,853
Huh. What did you see?
370
00:17:03,089 --> 00:17:05,490
The woman. She has brown hair.
371
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,155
The woman?
372
00:17:07,226 --> 00:17:08,557
Had you seen her before?
373
00:17:08,995 --> 00:17:12,659
Two weeks ago, I was doing
homework in the living room
374
00:17:12,732 --> 00:17:15,463
and an envelope got
slid under the door.
375
00:17:16,135 --> 00:17:17,967
I went to go look out the door
376
00:17:18,337 --> 00:17:21,898
and I saw the same woman who ran out of Mr.
Mullally's apartment.
377
00:17:22,808 --> 00:17:25,834
Now, did you look
in the envelope?
378
00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:28,647
No. I gave it to my dad.
379
00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:31,543
He talked to my
babysitter about it.
380
00:17:32,618 --> 00:17:35,849
He told her it said
Mr. Mullally was a bad man.
381
00:17:36,322 --> 00:17:37,414
All right.
382
00:17:38,457 --> 00:17:40,118
The woman you saw,
383
00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:42,358
tell me again what
she looked like.
384
00:17:44,997 --> 00:17:46,965
Her hair was different.
385
00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:48,793
What do you mean?
386
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:50,369
It was up in a ponytail.
387
00:17:52,004 --> 00:17:54,496
Was this the night
Mr. Mullally was killed?
388
00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:56,941
Yeah.
Where did you see her?
389
00:17:57,209 --> 00:17:59,610
In front of Mr.
Mullally's apartment.
390
00:17:59,979 --> 00:18:02,073
Then she ran down the hall.
391
00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:09,079
Hannah Welch, you're under arrest
for the murder of Carl Mullally.
392
00:18:09,155 --> 00:18:10,145
You're kidding.
393
00:18:10,222 --> 00:18:11,690
You have the right to remain silent.
He's a pedophile.
394
00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:14,192
Anything you say...
He destroys lives. He strips
395
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:17,252
little girls of their youth, their
innocence. ...in a court of law.
396
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:18,593
He deserved to die!
397
00:18:18,664 --> 00:18:20,496
Don't you understand that!
398
00:18:20,566 --> 00:18:22,261
He's a monster!
399
00:18:23,002 --> 00:18:23,992
It's still murder.
400
00:18:24,837 --> 00:18:27,807
If you cannot afford an attorney,
one will be provided...
401
00:18:30,309 --> 00:18:33,574
�Docket number 089238
People v. Hannah Welch.
402
00:18:33,646 --> 00:18:35,444
"Charge is murder
in the second degree."
403
00:18:35,514 --> 00:18:37,175
How does the defendant plead?
404
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,107
Not guilty.
405
00:18:39,185 --> 00:18:41,313
The People request one
million dollars bail.
406
00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:44,914
The defendant, until recently, lived
in Pittsburgh, has no ties to New York
407
00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:47,653
and, considering the gravity of
the charges, is a flight risk.
408
00:18:47,727 --> 00:18:51,686
Your Honor, 17 million viewers watched Mr.
Mullally outed as a pedophile.
409
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:52,992
Any one of them
could have killed him.
410
00:18:53,065 --> 00:18:55,966
We have an eyewitness who saw the
defendant flee the victim's apartment
411
00:18:56,035 --> 00:18:57,025
moments after the murder.
412
00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:59,002
Miss Welch was
dating the victim.
413
00:18:59,071 --> 00:19:02,473
There are thousands of reasons why she would
have been in the vicinity of his apartment.
414
00:19:02,541 --> 00:19:05,841
Furthermore, this so-called witness
was an eight-year-old girl
415
00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:10,212
whose father was being investigated for
the crime until my client was arrested.
416
00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:11,748
She would have said
it was the Tooth Fairy
417
00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,581
if it deflected blame
from her father.
418
00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:17,587
I'd work on your material before facing
the cameras outside, Mr. Depago.
419
00:19:17,723 --> 00:19:20,249
Especially since you went to
such trouble getting them here.
420
00:19:20,593 --> 00:19:22,584
Bail is set at $500,000.
421
00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:23,720
(GAVEL STRIKES)
422
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:26,028
You called. We're listening.
423
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:30,701
Well, I saw the
Hard Focus segment.
424
00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:31,893
It was...
425
00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:36,103
You can imagine what was
going through my mind.
426
00:19:36,308 --> 00:19:39,608
So, I went over to Carl's apartment
to tell him that I'd seen it,
427
00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:42,705
let him know what
I thought of him,
428
00:19:43,749 --> 00:19:44,910
what he'd done.
429
00:19:45,251 --> 00:19:46,741
You did more than talk.
430
00:19:46,986 --> 00:19:49,148
Well, he kept telling
me it was a mistake.
431
00:19:51,357 --> 00:19:55,453
He'd been online talking to a
little girl about having sex.
432
00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:59,158
I mean, they caught him on TV
433
00:19:59,298 --> 00:20:01,062
walking into her house.
434
00:20:02,101 --> 00:20:03,535
How is that a mistake?
435
00:20:05,304 --> 00:20:06,794
So I called him a pervert.
436
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,975
He... He lunged at me.
437
00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:13,305
A terrified woman
acting in self-defense
438
00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:16,707
when confronted by
an enraged sexual predator.
439
00:20:17,516 --> 00:20:20,747
Crim-Neg. No time
served. Probation.
440
00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:25,082
We might as well send out invitations
to execute suspected pedophiles.
441
00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:31,392
That man sexually assaulted children
and was walking around free.
442
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,991
All I did was defend myself and
you want to send me to jail?
443
00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:36,965
Whose side are you on?
444
00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:39,731
For the purposes of
this trial, Mr. Mullally's.
445
00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:43,134
Are we done here?
446
00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,642
Good luck, Mr. McCoy.
447
00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:46,735
You'll need it.
448
00:20:52,284 --> 00:20:54,616
JACK: No way this plays
as self-defense.
449
00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:56,216
We have motive.
450
00:20:56,288 --> 00:21:00,919
The defendant learns her boyfriend
is a pedophile on national TV.
451
00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:04,253
An eyewitness puts
her at the scene.
452
00:21:04,563 --> 00:21:07,999
The victim has no defensive
or offensive wounds.
453
00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:11,495
His blood is found on
the defendant's shoes.
454
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:13,299
There were four stab wounds.
455
00:21:13,372 --> 00:21:15,101
Have we recovered
the murder weapon?
456
00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:18,937
Not yet. And the stab wounds don't match
any knives in the victim's apartment.
457
00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:20,274
So Hannah brought her own?
458
00:21:20,846 --> 00:21:21,836
It looks that way.
459
00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:23,779
The evidence is
pretty solid, Arthur.
460
00:21:23,849 --> 00:21:25,783
Well, solid gets
watery pretty fast
461
00:21:25,851 --> 00:21:28,548
if your victim is a pedophile
and your defendant
462
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:31,420
is a sympathetic young woman
claiming self-defense.
463
00:21:31,657 --> 00:21:33,989
I mean, whether we like it or
not, Hannah Welch fulfilled
464
00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:37,188
the fantasies of every person who
watched that TV show the other night.
465
00:21:37,396 --> 00:21:41,128
Television acting as judge and
jury makes me a little queasy.
466
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:44,235
Well, if there wasn't a problem,
there wouldn't be anything to watch.
467
00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:46,898
I mean, we can't
overlook the fact that
468
00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:49,236
they're helping get child
predators off the street.
469
00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:51,868
And helping defend anyone
willing to kill them.
470
00:21:52,011 --> 00:21:53,501
Hard Focus put up
Hannah's bail.
471
00:21:53,746 --> 00:21:55,646
Which I can only
assume is in exchange
472
00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:58,274
for an exclusive interview
once all is said and done.
473
00:21:58,417 --> 00:22:01,546
Well, your arms are gonna get
pretty tired swimming upstream.
474
00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:05,655
People watch these shows because it makes
them feel like they're doing something,
475
00:22:05,724 --> 00:22:07,715
like cleansing the community.
476
00:22:08,694 --> 00:22:11,356
Are you suggesting that
I plead this out, Arthur?
477
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:14,730
I'm suggesting that the
deck's stacked against you.
478
00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:17,463
I'm moving forward.
479
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:18,526
Oh, fine.
480
00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:23,041
But you'd better find some
skeleton in Hannah Walsh's closet.
481
00:22:23,442 --> 00:22:24,534
Fast.
482
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:26,941
She moved here three
months before the murder.
483
00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:28,681
Not much time for skeletons.
484
00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:30,772
In New York. But what
about Pittsburgh?
485
00:22:32,318 --> 00:22:34,252
Looks like I'm
taking a road trip.
486
00:22:36,956 --> 00:22:40,620
CONNIE: You and Hannah broke off
your engagement five years ago. Why?
487
00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:44,219
We were young. We needed to
figure out who we really were.
488
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:46,521
Do you two still talk?
489
00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:48,224
Yeah, sure.
490
00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:51,495
The romance is over, but, uh,
we managed to stay friends.
491
00:22:52,671 --> 00:22:53,661
Congratulations.
492
00:22:53,739 --> 00:22:55,707
I know, it's not easy.
493
00:22:56,742 --> 00:22:58,471
When was the last time
you spoke to Hannah?
494
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,209
In person?
495
00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:01,603
Three weeks ago.
496
00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:05,249
Did she mention anything about her
relationship with Carl Mullally?
497
00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:07,384
No. Never.
498
00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:09,082
Did she say anything strange?
499
00:23:09,188 --> 00:23:11,555
Mention any new
guy she'd met?
500
00:23:12,591 --> 00:23:13,854
We only talked
for a few minutes.
501
00:23:13,926 --> 00:23:15,758
She had to meet her
roommates for dinner.
502
00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:17,424
Roommates? How
many roommates?
503
00:23:17,529 --> 00:23:18,519
Five.
504
00:23:19,365 --> 00:23:21,265
Your Upper West Side
don't come cheap.
505
00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:22,835
We searched
Hannah's apartment.
506
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,631
It was a week-to-week
dump in the East Village.
507
00:23:24,703 --> 00:23:25,864
That's news to me.
508
00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:28,340
I've got her
address right here.
509
00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:31,471
There were at least six of
them sharing that apartment.
510
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:32,600
Were?
511
00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:34,612
Yeah. Moved out.
512
00:23:34,713 --> 00:23:35,703
They all did.
513
00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:38,377
Building manager
screamed bloody hell.
514
00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,719
Now he's got a whole
floor sitting empty.
515
00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:43,251
I don't understand. They all
moved out at the same time?
516
00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:46,649
Yeah, when Hard Focus
stopped paying the rent.
517
00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:49,122
Hard Focus was
paying their rent?
518
00:23:49,361 --> 00:23:51,830
Like any of those kids
could afford this building.
519
00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:53,227
Do you have any idea why?
520
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:54,389
No clue.
521
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,928
Do you know where any of
them might have moved to?
522
00:23:57,036 --> 00:23:59,835
One of them asked me to forward his
mail to an address in Brooklyn.
523
00:24:01,006 --> 00:24:02,531
I'm gonna need that address.
524
00:24:07,313 --> 00:24:09,748
KYLE: I'd ask if you
wanted to sit down but...
525
00:24:11,517 --> 00:24:13,952
It's only temporary. A friend
of mine's letting me crash here
526
00:24:14,019 --> 00:24:15,919
until I find
a place of my own.
527
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:18,687
Hard Focus gonna set
you up with that?
528
00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:21,083
We signed non-disclosure
agreements.
529
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,390
I'm really not supposed
to talk about it.
530
00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:25,990
I could subpoena you,
Kyle, if you'd prefer.
531
00:24:26,198 --> 00:24:27,188
What does that mean?
532
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:30,431
It means I can force you
to tell me the truth in court.
533
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,395
I just don't want to get
in trouble, that's all.
534
00:24:33,672 --> 00:24:35,162
You won't, I promise.
535
00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:36,968
(SIGHS) All right,
what do you want to know?
536
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:40,005
Why was Hard Focus
paying your rent?
537
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:41,877
Because they wanted
to hear my story.
538
00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:44,713
Which is?
539
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,579
I was molested by my soccer
coach when I was 12 years old.
540
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:49,815
Really messed me up.
541
00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:50,979
They interviewed you?
542
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:53,354
A few months ago,
I saw an ad online.
543
00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:56,988
A reality show was looking
for victims of sexual abuse
544
00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:59,190
who wanted to confront
their abusers.
545
00:24:59,298 --> 00:25:01,699
I answered it. They
flew me to New York,
546
00:25:01,767 --> 00:25:04,065
interviewed me on
tape and I was in.
547
00:25:05,404 --> 00:25:08,567
So Hannah's story about
dating Mullally is a lie?
548
00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:10,903
She moved here to be
a part of a TV show
549
00:25:10,976 --> 00:25:13,843
where victims of sexual
abuse confront their abusers.
550
00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:16,380
Are you saying Carl
Mullally molested Hannah?
551
00:25:16,648 --> 00:25:18,707
He's from Pittsburgh,
she's from Pittsburgh.
552
00:25:19,118 --> 00:25:20,347
Big city.
553
00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:23,184
He also worked in the same
insurance company as her father.
554
00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:25,314
So, victim seeks
out victimizer years
555
00:25:25,391 --> 00:25:28,691
after the abuse and stabs
him four times in the chest.
556
00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:31,492
Sounds more like
revenge than self-defense.
557
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:34,825
Whether he's my
boyfriend or not,
558
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,664
Carl Mullally came at me.
559
00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:40,563
And you stabbed him. With a knife you
brought for what purpose exactly?
560
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:41,963
Don't answer.
561
00:25:43,275 --> 00:25:45,266
Then why are we
here, Mr. Depago?
562
00:25:47,746 --> 00:25:48,804
He raped me
563
00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:51,305
when I was 12.
564
00:25:52,518 --> 00:25:54,008
He was a friend
of my father's.
565
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:57,780
There's a system in place to handle
that crime and it's not on prime time.
566
00:25:57,856 --> 00:26:00,917
But I never would have confronted
him if it weren't for the show.
567
00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:04,018
The show made you do it?
Please, Miss Welch.
568
00:26:04,163 --> 00:26:06,222
They didn't force you
to answer that ad.
569
00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:09,734
But she sent me there that night
with a knife and a camera.
570
00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:12,664
You have tape of the murder?
571
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,239
I never turned it on.
572
00:26:17,342 --> 00:26:18,571
I got so scared.
573
00:26:19,678 --> 00:26:21,043
And the knife?
574
00:26:21,613 --> 00:26:23,274
Ellie Harper gave it to me.
575
00:26:23,649 --> 00:26:24,639
To give me confidence.
576
00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,811
Why send you in for more footage
if the show was already canceled?
577
00:26:27,986 --> 00:26:30,318
To try and get
it back on track,
578
00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:34,489
prove how healing the
confrontations could be.
579
00:26:36,161 --> 00:26:37,526
It's creative,
I'll give you that.
580
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,792
I have the knife. I hid it.
581
00:26:39,865 --> 00:26:42,391
When Ellie gave it to me,
it was in an orange bag
582
00:26:42,468 --> 00:26:44,937
from a sporting goods store.
I can't remember the name.
583
00:26:53,312 --> 00:26:57,476
JACK: We want to talk about your
client's relationship with Hannah Welch.
584
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:59,440
Why?
585
00:26:59,518 --> 00:27:01,646
We just want to understand
586
00:27:02,087 --> 00:27:04,249
what happened the
night of the murder.
587
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,190
Seems pretty
straightforward to me.
588
00:27:07,392 --> 00:27:10,157
Angry woman confronts
the lunatic who raped her.
589
00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:12,357
She flips out
and kills the guy.
590
00:27:12,431 --> 00:27:13,865
Yeah, that part we know.
591
00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:16,328
What other part is there?
592
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:20,065
The part where your client bought
the angry woman the murder weapon
593
00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:22,106
and told her to get
something explosive on tape.
594
00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:24,165
That's crazy. That knife
was for her own...
595
00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:27,042
Stop. Let me do
the talking. Understand?
596
00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:28,905
Yeah.
597
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,342
The knife was given
to Miss Welch for protection.
598
00:27:32,751 --> 00:27:36,085
What you're describing is
depraved indifference homicide.
599
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,723
That's insane.
600
00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:40,053
I'm a TV producer,
not a killer.
601
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,158
I create theater,
602
00:27:42,394 --> 00:27:44,021
and to do that,
to create conflict,
603
00:27:44,096 --> 00:27:46,121
you have to put opposing
forces together,
604
00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:47,963
so the drama can unfold.
605
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:49,123
You mean the murder?
606
00:27:49,234 --> 00:27:52,329
She means she's a respected member
of the television community
607
00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:54,896
with a long list of
awards for excellence.
608
00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:55,997
We're done here.
609
00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:04,782
You think the network
knew what she was doing?
610
00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:05,907
Let's find out.
611
00:28:09,221 --> 00:28:11,986
Mr. McCoy. Miss Rubirosa.
612
00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:15,951
I appreciate you coming
uptown, but I oversee 24 hours
613
00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:20,323
of prime-time programming, as well as 400
or so different projects in development.
614
00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:22,695
I can't keep track
of every detail.
615
00:28:23,168 --> 00:28:26,138
You pulled the plug on
Confront and Heal. Why?
616
00:28:26,238 --> 00:28:27,228
Lost interest in it.
617
00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:31,841
Victims looking for closure, healing
wounds, too soft for today's marketplace.
618
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:35,237
Yet you found it interesting
enough to green light a pilot.
619
00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:38,181
Well, you gotta sip
the wine before you buy it.
620
00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:39,307
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
621
00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:42,451
Thank you for coming, Ken.
Ken Lesavoy, General Counsel.
622
00:28:42,688 --> 00:28:44,884
Good to meet you.
Likewise. And good timing.
623
00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:48,584
We're gonna need copies of all the records
and tapes pertaining to the show.
624
00:28:51,296 --> 00:28:52,286
Why?
625
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,397
It's relevant to
our investigation.
626
00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:57,425
Into what?
627
00:28:57,536 --> 00:29:00,597
Ellie Harper's role
in Carl Mullally's murder.
628
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,234
Sounds like you're looking for
headlines, Mr. McCoy. Just the truth.
629
00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:08,507
Except those documents and tapes contain
privileged correspondence, trade secrets.
630
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,842
You can't expect us to just
roll out the red carpet.
631
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:12,577
Exactly why I
brought a subpoena.
632
00:29:12,651 --> 00:29:17,919
Gentlemen, we're not murderers,
we're atelevision network.
633
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:22,285
So read what you like,
Mr. McCoy. Watch our tapes.
634
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:25,723
I hope you find
them entertaining.
635
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:29,963
H' you saw Carl Mullally
again what would you do?
636
00:29:31,803 --> 00:29:34,568
I'd tell him that
he ruined my life.
637
00:29:35,874 --> 00:29:40,937
That I think about what he did
to me every day, every night.
638
00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:42,978
Then what?
639
00:29:43,749 --> 00:29:46,184
Then I'd like to cut
his heart out
640
00:29:47,185 --> 00:29:49,051
and watch him bleed.
641
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:52,189
Ellie Harper knew Hannah
was ready to kill.
642
00:29:52,691 --> 00:29:54,625
I hope you've
got more than that.
643
00:29:56,561 --> 00:30:00,498
The psychiatrist considered
her psychologically unfit
644
00:30:00,565 --> 00:30:03,091
for the purposes of
the proposed TV show.
645
00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:06,171
Do you really think that you can
prove depraved indifference here?
646
00:30:06,405 --> 00:30:09,272
Ellie put two trains on a
collision course and said go.
647
00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:12,844
Well, if you prosecute the wrong
defendant for the wrong crime,
648
00:30:13,345 --> 00:30:15,712
there's a chance that we're
the ones who'll be flattened.
649
00:30:17,182 --> 00:30:18,980
Ellie calls herself
a journalist.
650
00:30:19,251 --> 00:30:21,447
She arranged this disaster.
651
00:30:21,953 --> 00:30:25,583
And Hannah is willing
to take 15 years and testify.
652
00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:27,458
Where is Ellie Harper?
653
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:29,993
To quote her counsel, "if you
want to talk to her again,
654
00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,926
"indict her and
put her on trial."
655
00:30:32,297 --> 00:30:34,129
And you're prepared
to do that?
656
00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:38,500
She bought Hannah
Welch a knife.
657
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:43,335
Make it happen.
658
00:30:46,945 --> 00:30:48,845
HANNAH: Carl Mullally
worked with my dad.
659
00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:50,580
They were friends.
660
00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:54,151
He used to go camping with us in
the summer and on the weekends.
661
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,611
He'd get me alone
in the woods and then...
662
00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:02,121
And what, Miss Welch?
663
00:31:04,029 --> 00:31:05,190
Rape me.
664
00:31:06,732 --> 00:31:09,064
He said if I ever told
my parents, he'd kill them.
665
00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:13,461
It finally stopped when I was 12,
when my dad got transferred.
666
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:17,338
Once you agreed to participate
in the show Confront and Heal,
667
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:21,243
did the producers do anything to
prepare you to confront Mr. Mullally?
668
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,905
Ellie Harper was the one
who ran everything.
669
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,714
She made me talk to
atherapist about the abuse,
670
00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,480
and how I was going
to confront the perpetrator.
671
00:31:30,088 --> 00:31:31,522
We did role playing.
672
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,285
Ellie had me keep
avideo diary.
673
00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:35,622
She even brought in
a Krav Magatrainer.
674
00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:36,923
Krav Maga?
675
00:31:36,995 --> 00:31:38,929
It's likejudo,
but it's Israeli.
676
00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:41,959
Ellie wanted me to be
able to defend myself.
677
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,391
From Carl?
678
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:45,195
In case he got violent.
679
00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:48,672
Was anything else
done by Miss Harper
680
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,731
to get you ready for
this confrontation?
681
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,311
She bought me a hunting
knife for protection.
682
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,076
On the day you sought out
Mr. Mullally, what happened?
683
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:03,287
Ellie gave me a camera for my
purse, showed me how to use it.
684
00:32:04,489 --> 00:32:06,253
Then she gave me a pep talk.
685
00:32:06,391 --> 00:32:10,055
She said that by putting this on
television for everyone to see,
686
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:13,288
this was my chance to finally
give Carl what he deserved.
687
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,625
And did you confront the man
who raped you, Miss Welch?
688
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,103
Carl opened the door. He
knew right away who I was.
689
00:32:21,239 --> 00:32:23,139
His jaw almost
hit the floor.
690
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,975
I asked him if I could come in
and talk to him for a minute,
691
00:32:26,344 --> 00:32:28,278
just like I practiced
with Ellie.
692
00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:30,805
I asked him,
693
00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:33,714
"Why did you rape me?"
694
00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:37,411
He denied it.
695
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:39,284
He said I was crazy.
696
00:32:39,424 --> 00:32:41,256
How did that make you feel?
697
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:43,118
Angry-
698
00:32:43,895 --> 00:32:44,885
Really,
699
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:46,620
really angry-
700
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:48,924
I said I wasn't crazy,
701
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,232
that he knew exactly
what he did to me
702
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:53,431
and all I wanted was
for him to admit it.
703
00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:55,095
And did he?
704
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:58,266
He said it was my fault.
705
00:32:59,578 --> 00:33:01,171
That I seduced him.
706
00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:03,710
An eight-year-old girl.
707
00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:12,250
What happened
then, Miss Welch?
708
00:33:13,258 --> 00:33:14,487
I guess I just
709
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:16,761
lost control.
710
00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:21,431
I grabbed the knife from
my bag and I went after him.
711
00:33:22,767 --> 00:33:24,496
I started stabbing him.
712
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,264
Then I ran outside
713
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:30,606
and walked around for hours.
714
00:33:31,543 --> 00:33:34,740
Did you tell Miss Harper what
happened in Mr. Mullally's apartment?
715
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:38,209
She said not to say
anything to anyone,
716
00:33:38,283 --> 00:33:40,513
that she'd help me
figure things out.
717
00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:48,523
You answered the ad, correct?
Yes.
718
00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:51,119
And you went to the training,
went to the therapy,
719
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:53,528
went to the door of
the man who raped you,
720
00:33:53,598 --> 00:33:54,895
all totally voluntarily?
721
00:33:54,966 --> 00:33:57,333
Yes, but it was like they were
brainwashing me for their show.
722
00:33:57,402 --> 00:33:59,769
And the doors weren't locked, you
could have left at any time?
723
00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:02,068
Right, but they made
me sign legal papers.
724
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:05,201
A waiver, Miss Welch, not a
contract of indentured servitude.
725
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:06,778
Objection.
Sustained.
726
00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:10,873
And after you killed Carl
Mullally, you hid the knife?
727
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:12,474
Yes.
728
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,348
And you lied to the police?
729
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:17,384
And then you made a deal with
the prosecution for leniency?
730
00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:21,187
Because she was the one who made me
do this for the television show.
731
00:34:21,259 --> 00:34:23,751
None of it was for you?
732
00:34:24,362 --> 00:34:28,560
I recognize that a terrible thing happened
to you when you were a child, Miss Welch,
733
00:34:28,833 --> 00:34:31,029
but does that give you
the right to put the blame
734
00:34:31,102 --> 00:34:33,230
on somebody else
for what you did?
735
00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:34,932
Objection.
Withdrawn.
736
00:34:35,106 --> 00:34:36,471
I'm done with this witness.
737
00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:46,081
Miss Harper, on the night that Hannah
Welch confronted Carl Mullally,
738
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,278
what were you hoping
to capture on tape?
739
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,779
A woman reclaiming
her dignity.
740
00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:53,657
Why did you give
Hannah Welch a knife?
741
00:34:53,858 --> 00:34:56,987
So she could protect herself
in case Mullally came at her.
742
00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:02,392
Did you ask Hannah Welch
to kill Carl Mullally?
743
00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:04,458
Of course not.
744
00:35:05,737 --> 00:35:08,468
Were you pleased that Hannah
Welch killed Carl Mullally?
745
00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,871
Pleased? I was devastated.
746
00:35:11,376 --> 00:35:13,845
Absolutely, 100% devastated.
747
00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:15,541
I'm a producer,
for God's sake,
748
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,912
a journalist.
Not acriminal.
749
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:26,258
Journalists report the news,
but you create it, don't you?
750
00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:29,953
I consider informative
entertainment akin to news.
751
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:33,196
Based on Hannah
Welch's audition tape,
752
00:35:33,264 --> 00:35:36,359
you knew that she was predisposed
to violence, correct?
753
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:39,369
I knew she was angry
and looking to heal.
754
00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:42,233
When she was asked
755
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,206
what she might do if given the
opportunity to confront Mullally,
756
00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:49,179
Miss Welch said, and I quote,
757
00:35:49,414 --> 00:35:52,850
"I'd cut his heart out
and watch him bleed."
758
00:35:53,084 --> 00:35:56,645
What part of that statement
suggests a desire to heal?
759
00:35:56,721 --> 00:35:59,053
Well, we talked
after the audition.
760
00:35:59,124 --> 00:36:00,489
After the cameras
stopped rolling, she...
761
00:36:00,558 --> 00:36:03,960
But you turned Hannah Welch
into a killing machine.
762
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,460
You gave her combat training.
763
00:36:06,531 --> 00:36:08,966
You filled her with rage.
764
00:36:09,034 --> 00:36:10,331
You put a knife in her hand,
765
00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:14,270
and told her to confront
the man who molested her!
766
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:15,738
Objection.
Sustained.
767
00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:18,139
You have to wonder
if your goal
768
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:21,038
was to capture
a murder on film.
769
00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:22,841
Objection!
Sustained.
770
00:36:23,114 --> 00:36:25,082
If the sum result
771
00:36:25,984 --> 00:36:29,284
of Hannah Welch's going
to Carl Mullally's home
772
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:33,218
had been a polite
conversation and healing,
773
00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:38,424
would that have reinvigorated the
network's interest in the project?
774
00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:40,463
It may have.
775
00:36:41,499 --> 00:36:44,560
Then why pick a woman who'd
said on her audition tape
776
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:46,804
that she wanted to kill?
777
00:36:59,284 --> 00:37:00,547
Nothing further.
778
00:37:09,527 --> 00:37:12,019
So, it sounds like Hannah
did pretty good on the stand.
779
00:37:12,964 --> 00:37:14,955
She has conviction,
I'll give her that.
780
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:19,595
And there's no part of us
that's going after this woman
781
00:37:19,671 --> 00:37:21,730
because we're a couple
of out-of-step old-timers?
782
00:37:22,006 --> 00:37:23,531
What's that supposed to mean?
783
00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:26,572
In my day, television
was a different animal.
784
00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:29,403
Husbands and wives
in separate beds,
785
00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:30,948
picture postcard towns,
786
00:37:31,015 --> 00:37:35,612
where the teenagers drank only malteds
and went to sock hops together.
787
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:38,119
So the crap that passes
for entertainment now is okay
788
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:41,215
because the programmers have
caught up with the reality?
789
00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:43,256
You tell me.
790
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:45,825
Nothing's changed since
Shakespeare's time.
791
00:37:46,064 --> 00:37:47,828
People thronged
to watch the bear-baiting.
792
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:49,191
You're right.
793
00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:52,362
There's an appetite for this
stuff and there always will be.
794
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:56,434
And you've got people on your
jury who watch these shows.
795
00:37:57,142 --> 00:37:59,702
And I'd be careful
not to alienate them
796
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:02,213
in some hope of bringing
down a cultural phenomenon
797
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,271
that you can't do
anything about anyway.
798
00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:09,515
If people want to watch a man crawl
through a tunnel full of rats,
799
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,846
I can only shake my head.
800
00:38:12,323 --> 00:38:15,122
But nobody gets to sell
tickets to a murder.
801
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:25,091
Last night 29 million
people watched
802
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,571
the most recent
episode of Hard Focus,
803
00:38:27,872 --> 00:38:32,400
where a 55-year-old orthopedic
surgeon, father of three,
804
00:38:32,677 --> 00:38:35,647
was arrested after showing
up at what he thought
805
00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:38,078
was a 10-year-old
girl's apartment.
806
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,718
The detective, posing
as the little girl,
807
00:38:41,786 --> 00:38:44,619
asked the man to take
his clothes off. He did.
808
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,624
And put bunny ears
on his head. He did.
809
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,558
Moments later,
he was arrested,
810
00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:52,597
naked, with bunny
ears on his head.
811
00:38:53,598 --> 00:38:55,828
This is what the
public wants to see.
812
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,092
This is what you want
Ellie Harper to deliver.
813
00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:01,428
So why should she be blamed
814
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,409
for attempting to create another show that
deals with the exact same subject matter?
815
00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:10,072
My client may be guilty of
being an ambitious producer,
816
00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:13,876
of pushing the
entertainment envelope.
817
00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:18,180
But she is certainly
not guilty of murder.
818
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:22,192
So please pay attention
to the facts and the law,
819
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:26,554
and not the anti-reality-TV
rhetoric and vitriol
820
00:39:26,631 --> 00:39:31,034
the prosecution is attempting
to pass off as evidence.
821
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,902
Even reality TV's
biggest fans know
822
00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:43,945
that 20 people
on a desert island
823
00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:46,276
competing for a can of soup
824
00:39:46,684 --> 00:39:51,485
or drinking goat's urine
for $50,000 is not that real.
825
00:39:52,156 --> 00:39:54,887
Lots of people think
it's fun, maybe some of you.
826
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:56,049
It's entertainment.
827
00:39:58,263 --> 00:40:02,598
Ellie Harper claims she's ajournalist,
and the motto of ajournalist used to be,
828
00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:04,601
"You two fight, and
I'll write about it."
829
00:40:04,669 --> 00:40:07,229
But the reporter
didn't set up the fight.
830
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:12,739
Nowadays, the distinction
between the news
831
00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:15,404
and entertainment
is not so clear.
832
00:40:17,548 --> 00:40:20,040
Staging events for
the news cameras,
833
00:40:21,185 --> 00:40:22,846
doctoring photographs,
834
00:40:23,621 --> 00:40:27,353
planting pseudo-news on
the news without a disclaimer,
835
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:29,088
that's not fun.
836
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:31,590
That does real harm.
837
00:40:33,331 --> 00:40:36,995
Some of those situations
are frustratingly unclear
838
00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:40,003
or beyond our
reach to correct,
839
00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:42,037
but not this case.
840
00:40:44,042 --> 00:40:46,204
Ellie Harper was
looking for ratings.
841
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:50,009
She knew the danger.
But did she care? No.
842
00:40:51,749 --> 00:40:54,013
Did she even care enough
843
00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:57,019
to send someone along
with Hannah Welch
844
00:40:57,221 --> 00:41:00,452
in case this staged
encounter got out of hand?
845
00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:02,518
No.
846
00:41:04,262 --> 00:41:05,252
So tell her,
847
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:09,093
and anyone tempted
to follow in her footsteps,
848
00:41:09,634 --> 00:41:14,367
that an event where one of
the participants is trained,
849
00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:18,500
paid and armed
by the producer,
850
00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:21,242
it's not journalism.
851
00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:25,647
And a man being
stabbed to death
852
00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:27,910
is not entertainment.
853
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:31,478
It's murder.
854
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:44,194
Has the jury come
to averdict?
855
00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:46,867
We have, Your Honor.
856
00:41:47,238 --> 00:41:49,764
On the charge of murder in the
second degree, how do you find?
857
00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:53,368
We find the defendant,
Ellie Harper,
858
00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:55,235
guilty.
859
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:13,390
Heard someone from
Hard Focus called.
860
00:42:13,464 --> 00:42:16,991
They're doing a special on Carl Mullally's
murder and Ellie Harper's trial.
861
00:42:17,435 --> 00:42:19,403
They wanted to land
an interview with Jack.
862
00:42:19,904 --> 00:42:20,962
What did you tell them?
863
00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:23,470
Something they
can't quote on TV.
864
00:42:24,475 --> 00:42:26,739
Well, I hate to say this,
Jack, but with or without you,
865
00:42:26,978 --> 00:42:28,309
it's gonna get
a huge audience.
866
00:42:28,446 --> 00:42:29,811
I'll be reading a book.
867
00:42:29,861 --> 00:42:34,411
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