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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:05,193 PROFILER 1X08: CRUEL AND UNUSUAL ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 12/14/1996 2 00:00:05,555 --> 00:00:10,677 -Don't look at me like that, Ronnie. I'll only be gone a few hours. 3 00:00:16,645 --> 00:00:17,759 -Stop pouting. 4 00:00:18,123 --> 00:00:18,959 I mean it. 5 00:00:19,761 --> 00:00:20,275 Ok?. 6 00:00:26,645 --> 00:00:28,790 -When I get back, we'll go for a walk. 7 00:00:32,081 --> 00:00:35,252 -Oh, he'll like this. It shows lots of cleavage. 8 00:02:31,813 --> 00:02:37,006 -Yeah, but, Coop, I mean, how do you kill ninteen people and not have a fingerprint on file anywhere? 9 00:02:38,264 --> 00:02:41,747 No, Jack's prints didn't match anything: Not military, not criminal, nothing. 10 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,479 Yeah, I miss you, too. 11 00:02:51,711 --> 00:02:53,954 All right, I'll, uh. I'll talk to you over the weekend. 12 00:02:56,275 --> 00:02:58,416 Ok. All right. Bye. 13 00:03:56,721 --> 00:03:57,347 -Hey. 14 00:03:58,774 --> 00:04:00,703 Oh, hey, Bailey. 15 00:04:01,931 --> 00:04:03,118 No. 16 00:04:07,450 --> 00:04:08,719 What kind of cage? 17 00:04:26,476 --> 00:04:29,090 -A couple of horseback riders found her this afternoon. 18 00:04:29,367 --> 00:04:32,625 Local police think it might be some kind of cult thing. 19 00:04:32,860 --> 00:04:35,512 Pretty freaked. They're not used to this level of violence. 20 00:04:35,635 --> 00:04:38,159 -And we're supposed to be? -How long has she been out here? 21 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:42,112 - She's been dead less than 12 hours and out here a few days before that. 22 00:04:42,503 --> 00:04:43,907 -Any idea who she is? 23 00:04:44,102 --> 00:04:47,288 -No I. D. On the body. Nothing yet off missing persons. 24 00:04:51,248 --> 00:04:54,340 -Asphyxiated? - Well, it looks like it, but she's covered with wounds. 25 00:04:54,384 --> 00:04:58,093 She's got burns on her feet, on her back, lacerations to her head. 26 00:04:58,605 --> 00:05:00,167 -What's with her fingers? 27 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,137 -Looks like she was clawing the dirt. 28 00:05:04,501 --> 00:05:05,891 -Trying to get out. 29 00:05:06,114 --> 00:05:07,272 -Not with this lock. 30 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:12,044 -Looks like her hair. 31 00:05:15,345 --> 00:05:16,312 -Was it cut off? 32 00:05:17,521 --> 00:05:19,695 - I don't know. I have to examine it in the lab. 33 00:05:20,356 --> 00:05:22,576 I think she was pulling it out. It's one big clump. 34 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:25,747 -What the hell is this? 35 00:05:31,048 --> 00:05:34,448 - Ooh. Ooh, that would drive me crazy. 36 00:05:38,946 --> 00:05:43,025 -Maybe that was the point. Someone wanted her to go insane. 37 00:05:45,588 --> 00:05:48,430 - We found 6 prints on the dry cleaning bag. No matches yet. 38 00:05:48,466 --> 00:05:51,353 -Any sexual abuse? - No, not unless he's into feet. 39 00:05:51,374 --> 00:05:53,727 They've got third-degree burns from some kind of flame. 40 00:05:54,203 --> 00:05:56,226 Maybe to stop her from running away? 41 00:05:56,269 --> 00:05:58,863 -No, I think he probably did that after he got her into the cage. 42 00:05:58,901 --> 00:06:00,059 - It started with a stun gun. 43 00:06:00,087 --> 00:06:02,602 She's got 2 burns on her back from 50,000 volts. 44 00:06:02,628 --> 00:06:04,778 -Well, maybe he had to knock her out to get control. 45 00:06:04,803 --> 00:06:07,120 - Well, she's got severe head trauma, but it's not from blunt force. 46 00:06:07,908 --> 00:06:09,212 I think she was banging her head against the cage. 47 00:06:09,513 --> 00:06:13,223 -I think it was about torturing her mind as well as her body. 48 00:06:13,753 --> 00:06:16,720 I mean, the lights, the noise, her feet. 49 00:06:17,073 --> 00:06:19,575 - Looked like she had a pretty good life before this: Designer 50 00:06:19,589 --> 00:06:23,286 clothes, the best dental work money could buy, cesarean scar. 51 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:24,794 -A mother. 52 00:06:26,023 --> 00:06:26,801 - Do you think he knew her? 53 00:06:26,943 --> 00:06:29,857 Or she just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time? 54 00:06:29,944 --> 00:06:32,027 -No, the wounds are too specific. 55 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:33,569 I think that the killer knew her. 56 00:06:33,616 --> 00:06:36,309 And I think that he wanted to hurt her before he killed her. 57 00:06:41,003 --> 00:06:43,726 -It's almost as if it was an act of revenge. 58 00:06:44,307 --> 00:06:46,003 -Just heard from Atlanta P.D. 59 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:48,326 Someone called in a bomb threat at the train station. 60 00:06:48,409 --> 00:06:51,124 Said the device was in the handicapped stall. 61 00:06:51,474 --> 00:06:53,402 That's the same stall we found Jack's last victim. 62 00:06:55,692 --> 00:06:57,873 -That's a nice subtle message about Coop, isn't it? 63 00:06:58,254 --> 00:06:59,551 No bomb, right? 64 00:07:00,163 --> 00:07:01,822 -Just a note, to you. 65 00:07:04,995 --> 00:07:06,606 -Looks like you could use a hand. 66 00:07:10,445 --> 00:07:12,691 -I guess we're not moving fast enough for him. 67 00:07:12,744 --> 00:07:16,028 - Sorry, we're busy. He's not the only sick-o on our minds. 68 00:07:16,634 --> 00:07:19,602 -Well, he wants me totally focused on him. 69 00:07:20,164 --> 00:07:22,453 -I called Coop. He's ok. 70 00:07:23,262 --> 00:07:24,864 -Thanks, Bailey. 71 00:07:25,321 --> 00:07:26,587 - We just got a hit on missing persons. 72 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:28,566 Cincinnati Bureau's faxing over the stats. 73 00:07:29,542 --> 00:07:31,683 -Grace, could you -- -Oh, yeah, I'll get right on it. 74 00:07:32,163 --> 00:07:34,998 - Her name is Phyllis Thompson. She's a clinical psychologist. 75 00:07:35,035 --> 00:07:37,021 Husband reported her missing four days ago. 76 00:07:37,044 --> 00:07:38,524 -She was a psychologist? - Yeah. 77 00:07:38,741 --> 00:07:41,559 They've been harassed for the past two months, filed 8 police reports. 78 00:07:42,428 --> 00:07:43,362 -What were they on? 79 00:07:43,411 --> 00:07:46,852 - Well, the night she disappeared, this was painted on the house. 80 00:07:47,011 --> 00:07:53,180 - A week before, broken windows, and the whole time, they were getting weird stuff in the mail, like this stuff. 81 00:07:53,204 --> 00:07:56,461 -Any matching M. O.s? - Not this century. 82 00:07:57,546 --> 00:07:58,957 -First impressions? 83 00:08:00,547 --> 00:08:02,957 -Well, there are two things going on here. 84 00:08:03,026 --> 00:08:06,515 Psychologically, we have someone who creates a total state of fear. 85 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:09,242 -He enjoys taunting and forecasting death. 86 00:08:09,417 --> 00:08:12,664 And on a physical level, he tortures before he kills. 87 00:08:12,745 --> 00:08:15,012 -A sadist? -Mmm, but it isn't sexual. 88 00:08:16,899 --> 00:08:19,866 I think it's about control or revenge. 89 00:08:22,112 --> 00:08:23,914 Where was Phyllis Thompson's practice? 90 00:08:23,952 --> 00:08:26,623 - The outpatient clinic, St. James Hospital, Cincinnati. 91 00:08:26,663 --> 00:08:30,045 -Check her patient list, John. Sam, let's talk to the husband. 92 00:08:37,945 --> 00:08:39,259 -Mr.Thompson? 93 00:08:41,259 --> 00:08:45,758 -Mr.Thompson, can you tell us where your wife was going when she disappeared? 94 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:49,649 - She got a call from a patient. Someone upset. 95 00:08:51,718 --> 00:08:52,903 - It won't come off. 96 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,205 I got to get it off. I can't stand looking at it. 97 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:04,467 -You--you know what you could do? You know what you could do? 98 00:09:05,323 --> 00:09:06,885 -You could paint over it. 99 00:09:09,370 --> 00:09:13,219 - Yeah, maybe this wall. Just this section, yeah. 100 00:09:15,147 --> 00:09:17,771 - That'd work. Thanks. 101 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:22,484 -The person who called your wife, was it a man, woman? 102 00:09:23,278 --> 00:09:27,729 - Philly didn't say, but whoever it was, was a fake, the cops said. 103 00:09:29,488 --> 00:09:32,199 -Can you show us where she was abducted? 104 00:09:34,275 --> 00:09:35,203 - Um. 105 00:09:39,173 --> 00:09:40,765 - The police said that. 106 00:09:41,566 --> 00:09:43,914 it happened right here on the side of the road. 107 00:09:45,923 --> 00:09:47,006 Just right around here. 108 00:09:48,735 --> 00:09:51,504 - Dwayne! Dwayne! Calm down. 109 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:53,071 - Sorry about that. 110 00:09:53,805 --> 00:09:55,952 -It's ok. We needed the adrenaline rush. 111 00:09:55,987 --> 00:09:57,819 - It's ok, good boy. 112 00:09:59,441 --> 00:10:01,650 -Was Dwayne out here the night Phyllis disappeared? - Yeah. 113 00:10:01,771 --> 00:10:05,039 -Was he chained? - No. At night, we don't chain him. 114 00:10:05,056 --> 00:10:06,887 -How did someone get past Dwayne? 115 00:10:06,899 --> 00:10:09,100 - He probably threw a bone to Dwayne. 116 00:10:09,487 --> 00:10:12,777 -Did your wife ever mention any patients that she was afraid of? 117 00:10:13,390 --> 00:10:17,841 - She didn't talk much about her work -- um, professional ethics, I guess. 118 00:10:18,657 --> 00:10:21,490 But there were a couple guys who kind of worried her. 119 00:10:21,558 --> 00:10:26,944 Um, Monty was one, and--and--and, I don't' know, Jim or Jack or something. 120 00:10:34,942 --> 00:10:37,315 - Where's Jenn? - She's out in the front. 121 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:46,268 - Jennifer Ann! What are you doing out here? 122 00:10:46,855 --> 00:10:50,565 Told you never, never, never to go anywhere by yourself! 123 00:10:51,127 --> 00:10:52,875 What is wrong with you? 124 00:11:17,234 --> 00:11:20,315 -I've stopped being thrown every time someone mentions the name Jack. 125 00:11:20,392 --> 00:11:21,717 -I get thrown too. 126 00:11:21,913 --> 00:11:23,962 I wake up in the morning thinking about the Bastard. 127 00:11:26,076 --> 00:11:27,468 -Please pass the mustard. 128 00:11:28,196 --> 00:11:32,019 -Here. Do you know what's in those things? 129 00:11:32,074 --> 00:11:36,523 -Sometimes, denial's a good thing. Let's get back on Phyllis Thompson. 130 00:11:36,689 --> 00:11:39,373 -If it was a patient, I know how she must've felt. 131 00:11:39,456 --> 00:11:41,946 One of my first patients was a guy named Jerry Pape. 132 00:11:42,224 --> 00:11:45,416 After his first visit, I knew he was a little out there. 133 00:11:45,702 --> 00:11:49,797 On his third visit, he gave me a lucky rabbit's foot and I thought. huh. He's a little sweetie, 134 00:11:49,819 --> 00:11:52,533 he has a crush on me. Then, I saw the rest of the rabbit 135 00:11:52,569 --> 00:11:56,052 over the pocket (she laughs). -True love. 136 00:11:56,232 --> 00:12:02,321 -Hmm. Part of me was determined to stay and help him and the other part just wanted to run for the hills. 137 00:12:02,545 --> 00:12:03,380 -What did you do? 138 00:12:03,404 --> 00:12:05,713 -I passed him along to someone more experienced. 139 00:12:06,023 --> 00:12:10,557 And I felt like a complete failure. -I'm glad you survived and. 140 00:12:12,333 --> 00:12:13,210 -Ego. 141 00:12:16,713 --> 00:12:17,568 -Malone. 142 00:12:19,816 --> 00:12:21,913 -Did you have any luck at the clinic? -After I made a few threats. 143 00:12:21,939 --> 00:12:23,130 What is it with these people? 144 00:12:23,156 --> 00:12:25,498 You'd think it was the pentagon, the way they try and hide their files. 145 00:12:25,567 --> 00:12:28,361 -Well, if you were a patient, you'd probably appreciate it. 146 00:12:28,419 --> 00:12:29,750 -I'm investigating a murder, Sam. 147 00:12:29,844 --> 00:12:30,778 -What time? 148 00:12:31,757 --> 00:12:32,578 -Sorry. 149 00:12:32,786 --> 00:12:33,899 -Give me the address again. 150 00:12:34,552 --> 00:12:40,804 -Uh, she had a -- a violent patient named Lenny Krupak, hung himself a couple of days ago. 151 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:42,935 Sounds like he could've been the guy. 152 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:45,678 -Not unless he came back from the dead. 153 00:12:46,009 --> 00:12:47,019 Just found another victim. 154 00:12:49,627 --> 00:12:50,640 -Tennessee. 155 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:58,683 - She's got the same "X" on her back and burns from the stun gun. 156 00:12:58,708 --> 00:13:00,302 -Is there anything on her feet? 157 00:13:00,388 --> 00:13:04,184 - No, her feet are fine. The killer used the same kind of dry cleaning bag. 158 00:13:04,683 --> 00:13:06,296 -Phyllis Thompson wasn't handcuffed. 159 00:13:06,437 --> 00:13:08,832 - And she wasn't outside as long as Thompson was. 160 00:13:08,959 --> 00:13:13,042 -Could be changing his M. O. , doing them quicker, less brutal. 161 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:15,779 - I don't think so. Take a look at this. 162 00:13:19,142 --> 00:13:19,457 -Oh. 163 00:13:20,102 --> 00:13:21,614 -What happened to her eyes? 164 00:13:22,621 --> 00:13:24,238 -Why would he want to blind her? 165 00:13:30,895 --> 00:13:34,085 - The same kind of cage. Company's called Sutherland equipment. 166 00:13:34,115 --> 00:13:36,317 They sell wholesale to kennels and animal shelters. 167 00:13:36,325 --> 00:13:38,070 -And then, occasional psychopaths. 168 00:13:38,101 --> 00:13:40,846 - Women need to know about this, Bailey. He's going from state to state. 169 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:44,811 -I've already got it wired, Grace. We got to be careful. 170 00:13:44,822 --> 00:13:46,253 We don't want to start a panic. 171 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:49,074 -The police found clothing fibers in the victim's car. 172 00:13:49,099 --> 00:13:51,141 We also got a name here: Marilyn Norville. 173 00:13:51,157 --> 00:13:52,914 She's a teacher from Chattanooga. 174 00:13:52,953 --> 00:13:57,404 She and her car disappeared at the discount mart parking lot two days ago. 175 00:14:11,868 --> 00:14:12,931 -Why here? 176 00:14:14,643 --> 00:14:15,960 -Secluded. 177 00:14:16,149 --> 00:14:20,886 far away from people. -Yeah, he doesn't do too well with people. He does better with animals. 178 00:14:21,262 --> 00:14:23,031 Didn't have any trouble getting past Dwayne. 179 00:14:23,093 --> 00:14:24,100 -Why these women? 180 00:14:25,745 --> 00:14:27,245 What do they have in common? 181 00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:29,397 -Maybe it's what they don't have in common. 182 00:14:29,965 --> 00:14:33,298 Why would he try to blind one and drive the other one crazy? 183 00:14:34,151 --> 00:14:36,277 Maybe he's angry at them for different reasons. 184 00:14:41,378 --> 00:14:45,868 - I spoke to Marilyn Norville's husband. Past couple of months they've been harassed just like Phyllis Thompson. 185 00:14:45,899 --> 00:14:47,476 Poor guy doesn't even leave his house anymore. 186 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,229 Basically, same thing: "X" spray painted on the house, broken windows. 187 00:14:51,276 --> 00:14:52,569 -Thank you, Brad, thanks. 188 00:15:19,857 --> 00:15:23,566 -Bailey, I need you to listen to this and tell me if it makes sense. 189 00:15:24,791 --> 00:15:26,990 I think that these crimes are about prison. 190 00:15:27,082 --> 00:15:29,898 I mean, everything the victims went through has something to do with 191 00:15:29,926 --> 00:15:34,074 being in prison: The stun gun, the handcuffs, the bars on the cages. 192 00:15:34,248 --> 00:15:34,866 -Keep going. 193 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,009 -Well, there's no connection between the victims -- I mean, 194 00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:40,597 at least not an obvious one -- but look at Adam Thompson. I mean, he's a prisoner 195 00:15:40,613 --> 00:15:43,126 in his own home. And all of the victims ended 196 00:15:43,138 --> 00:15:48,317 up prisoners in cages. Now, who uses a stun gun? 197 00:15:48,617 --> 00:15:50,345 -Cops, prison guards. 198 00:15:50,787 --> 00:15:52,662 You think we're looking for someone who works at a prison? 199 00:15:52,688 --> 00:15:56,141 -No, it's more like they're experiencing what it's like to be a prisoner. 200 00:15:57,186 --> 00:15:59,524 I think that he's blaming them for his experience. 201 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:02,122 -Like it's their fault he once went to prison? -Yeah. 202 00:16:02,143 --> 00:16:04,793 -Ok, so who's responsible for putting people in prison? 203 00:16:05,259 --> 00:16:08,227 We've got police, prosecutors, judge, jury. 204 00:16:08,494 --> 00:16:11,238 -Maybe they served on the same jury and convicted him. 205 00:16:11,362 --> 00:16:12,861 -I'll have George check it out. 206 00:16:53,695 --> 00:16:55,371 - Sam, you want to look at something? 207 00:16:55,427 --> 00:16:57,653 -If I can keep my eyes open. 208 00:16:57,789 --> 00:17:00,585 - Why? You couldn't sleep? -No. 209 00:17:00,591 --> 00:17:05,042 My daughter Chloe has been having nightmares, and, I don't know, it just worries me. 210 00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:07,190 - Well, how old is she? -She's seven. 211 00:17:07,210 --> 00:17:09,532 - Aw, you know, 7-year-olds have nightmares all the time. 212 00:17:09,556 --> 00:17:11,917 I used to have nightmares at 7 years old. 213 00:17:11,941 --> 00:17:14,494 You know, you grow out of it. She'll be all right. 214 00:17:16,207 --> 00:17:17,663 -Did you ever want to have kids? 215 00:17:17,804 --> 00:17:19,479 - Yeah, I did. 216 00:17:19,827 --> 00:17:21,805 But my ovaries, they had other plans. 217 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,356 But, you know, I got the last laugh. 218 00:17:24,505 --> 00:17:28,600 I raised 3 poodles who think they are kids, except I get to put them out 219 00:17:28,610 --> 00:17:31,758 in the backyard with a nice little bowl of water and go to the movies. 220 00:17:31,806 --> 00:17:33,293 You can't do that with a kid, huh? 221 00:17:33,327 --> 00:17:35,605 -No, you can't. - Now take a look at this. 222 00:17:36,512 --> 00:17:39,587 This is a note from the train station, all right? 223 00:17:40,362 --> 00:17:41,959 Ok, come here. Take a look at this. 224 00:17:51,001 --> 00:17:53,922 - This is a perfect match to the print on the victim in the train station. 225 00:17:53,934 --> 00:17:55,614 -Which matches nothing. 226 00:17:55,643 --> 00:17:58,780 - It's got to be Jack's prints. What else could it match? 227 00:17:58,935 --> 00:18:02,644 -Can you run all of the prints at all of his crime scenes? 228 00:18:02,731 --> 00:18:04,056 Even the victims? 229 00:18:04,628 --> 00:18:07,447 I don't know, maybe we missed something. - Sure, I can do that. 230 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:10,005 -Great. Thanks. 231 00:18:14,571 --> 00:18:15,207 -Ow! 232 00:18:25,782 --> 00:18:26,414 -Ow! 233 00:18:34,745 --> 00:18:37,370 -Sam, the link between Norville and Thompson, you were right. 234 00:18:37,418 --> 00:18:40,087 They were both involved in the same trial ten years ago. 235 00:18:40,093 --> 00:18:41,527 A guy named Ronnie McDern. 236 00:18:41,551 --> 00:18:46,479 He's on death row in North Carolina, set to be executed tomorrow at midnight pending a final appeal. 237 00:18:46,507 --> 00:18:47,839 -Meet Ronnie McDern. 238 00:18:48,027 --> 00:18:50,631 Norville and Thompson both lived in North Carolina. 239 00:18:50,664 --> 00:18:54,227 In '85 and '86, both testified against him in his murder trial. 240 00:18:54,249 --> 00:18:56,333 - He and a partner robbed a convenience store. 241 00:18:56,633 --> 00:18:59,893 McDern blew away the clerk and a customer for no reason at all. 242 00:18:59,921 --> 00:19:02,460 And neither one of them ever even saw McDern or his partner. 243 00:19:02,478 --> 00:19:03,752 Their backs were to them the whole time. 244 00:19:03,812 --> 00:19:05,226 -Clerk did everything they said. 245 00:19:05,237 --> 00:19:07,128 Gave them the money, didn't move, didn't speak. 246 00:19:07,156 --> 00:19:10,533 - Marilyn Norville saw the whole thing. She testified against him at his trial. 247 00:19:10,581 --> 00:19:11,487 She nailed his ass. 248 00:19:13,784 --> 00:19:15,251 - Against the wall! 249 00:19:15,608 --> 00:19:17,144 - Turn around! 250 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:19,320 - Against the wall! 251 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:22,031 - Don't move! 252 00:19:39,872 --> 00:19:40,970 -That's why he tried to blind her. 253 00:19:41,011 --> 00:19:45,482 -And Phyllis Thompson testified that he was sane when he pulled the trigger, which wipes out his insanity plea. 254 00:19:45,491 --> 00:19:47,785 -So he drove her insane. -He didn't. 255 00:19:48,306 --> 00:19:53,145 He's behind bars thirty-six hours from meeting with the hangman. 256 00:19:53,193 --> 00:19:56,208 -We'll see. He's already had a couple of trials and a string of appeals. 257 00:19:56,255 --> 00:19:59,356 Thirty-six hours is a long time. -Especially if you're seeking revenge. 258 00:19:59,787 --> 00:20:01,704 When was his last appeal denied? 259 00:20:02,011 --> 00:20:03,971 - Two months ago. When the harassment started. 260 00:20:04,270 --> 00:20:06,713 -What's the method of execution in North Carolina? 261 00:20:06,757 --> 00:20:08,240 -Guess. 262 00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:14,839 -Gas. It asphyxiates. 263 00:20:15,302 --> 00:20:17,244 All right, so who's doing his killing for him? 264 00:20:17,289 --> 00:20:21,030 - Well, his partner, Dan Parson. he did his time. He got out a year ago. 265 00:20:21,848 --> 00:20:23,011 -John, talk with him. 266 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:26,592 If he's planning on killing anyone else, he's probably harassed them like the others. 267 00:20:26,612 --> 00:20:30,107 George, contact everyone connected with his trials, from the judge to the 268 00:20:30,103 --> 00:20:32,570 bailiffs who work the courtroom, anyone with the slightest harassment. 269 00:20:32,587 --> 00:20:35,075 I don't care if they got bumped on line at a grocery store. 270 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,923 I want them under protective custody. 271 00:20:38,065 --> 00:20:40,631 -What about McDern? Who's talking to him? 272 00:20:43,153 --> 00:20:46,479 -I'm going to check the visitor's list. I'll meet you inside. -Okay. 273 00:20:49,267 --> 00:20:50,768 -Yes, I have it right here. 274 00:21:10,387 --> 00:21:12,316 -Thank you. 275 00:21:18,523 --> 00:21:19,726 -Mr. McDern? 276 00:21:26,008 --> 00:21:28,975 - I hope this doesn't offend you. 277 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:48,793 - Women's lib: In. or out these days? -If you don't mind, I'd 278 00:21:48,944 --> 00:21:54,327 like to ask you a few questions. - That's fine by me. 279 00:21:56,329 --> 00:21:59,670 -I understand that you've had a pretty rough time in here. 280 00:21:59,719 --> 00:22:04,003 You filed a civil suit after some guards burned your feet on the asphalt. 281 00:22:07,958 --> 00:22:10,032 - They're all healed now, ma'am. 282 00:22:10,959 --> 00:22:13,184 Not that it makes any difference. 283 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:18,199 -I saw some similar burns on a murder victim in Ohio. 284 00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:20,249 Phyllis Thompson. 285 00:22:22,145 --> 00:22:24,061 -You don't remember her? 286 00:22:26,143 --> 00:22:27,554 - Should I? 287 00:22:28,063 --> 00:22:32,514 -Well, she testified against you at your trial along with Marilyn Norville. 288 00:22:33,394 --> 00:22:35,619 They were both murdered recently. 289 00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:42,652 - I'm sorry, ma'am. I. I don't know anything about it. 290 00:22:43,544 --> 00:22:48,449 I mean, if they were at my trial. I don't remember them. 291 00:22:49,398 --> 00:22:52,035 - I don't think about it much at all, honestly. 292 00:22:53,006 --> 00:22:57,824 I try to keep my sights on the future, not the past. 293 00:22:58,665 --> 00:23:03,185 - Maybe someone read about me and got some crazy ideas. 294 00:23:12,513 --> 00:23:15,236 -Maybe it was someone you know. 295 00:23:16,332 --> 00:23:18,134 - I have a lot of supporters. 296 00:23:19,809 --> 00:23:22,507 but they've been trying to get justice through the court. 297 00:23:23,481 --> 00:23:26,009 -And what is your idea of justice, Ronnie? 298 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,500 - Truth. 299 00:23:31,198 --> 00:23:33,423 People not lying about me. 300 00:23:34,938 --> 00:23:36,867 I was a hothead. 301 00:23:38,541 --> 00:23:40,469 I'll give you that. 302 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:43,378 But I didn't kill nobody. 303 00:23:44,965 --> 00:23:47,932 It was Dan who pulled that trigger. 304 00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:51,948 -Well, the jury didn't see it that way. 305 00:23:55,129 --> 00:23:57,712 - Well, they don't always see the truth. 306 00:24:00,718 --> 00:24:03,074 - And I'm paying for that with my life. 307 00:24:07,132 --> 00:24:08,913 But I didn't kill anybody. 308 00:24:18,508 --> 00:24:20,437 -Excuse me. 309 00:24:31,752 --> 00:24:32,927 -It's a woman. 310 00:24:33,343 --> 00:24:35,778 If anyone is killing for him, it's a woman. 311 00:24:36,435 --> 00:24:37,551 -Are you sure? 312 00:24:38,807 --> 00:24:41,141 -He's very charming, in a scary sort of way. 313 00:24:41,602 --> 00:24:44,994 What else would explain the stun gun? She needed to knock them out first. 314 00:24:45,594 --> 00:24:48,092 -Then she just killed his Public Defender. 315 00:24:48,703 --> 00:24:50,442 We couldn't get there quick enough. 316 00:25:10,466 --> 00:25:12,039 -Did you find anything? 317 00:25:13,748 --> 00:25:17,030 -"Dear Ronnie, I miss you so much I've decided to do it. 318 00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:18,762 I'm leaving my husband. 319 00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:21,465 You were so right about everything. He doesn't understand. 320 00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:26,000 Even my kids don't understand, but I know you do. 321 00:25:27,059 --> 00:25:27,684 " I don't. 322 00:25:27,802 --> 00:25:29,724 -There's a lot of lonely women out there. 323 00:25:29,752 --> 00:25:31,888 Look at this. Ronnie McDern fan club. 324 00:25:32,863 --> 00:25:36,075 -You'd think she'd touch up her roots for the picture, if she really cared. 325 00:25:44,451 --> 00:25:45,123 -Bailey. 326 00:25:46,566 --> 00:25:47,411 -Look at this. 327 00:25:53,003 --> 00:25:55,697 -What do you think they are? Proof she did the job for him? 328 00:25:55,725 --> 00:25:57,384 -Or proof of her love for him. 329 00:25:57,744 --> 00:26:00,227 It's probably the way they consummated their relationship. 330 00:26:00,284 --> 00:26:03,726 -Well, which one is she? There's dozens of them. 331 00:26:04,934 --> 00:26:06,590 - What do you think you're doing? 332 00:26:06,812 --> 00:26:09,779 -Bailey Malone, Sam Waters, FBI. 333 00:26:10,796 --> 00:26:11,669 -And you are? 334 00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:13,738 - Katherine Evers, Mr. McDern's attorney. 335 00:26:13,765 --> 00:26:15,573 He just informed me of your little visit. 336 00:26:15,611 --> 00:26:19,078 Get this straight: I don't like little visits with my clients when I'm not present. 337 00:26:19,071 --> 00:26:21,960 -Your client's a suspect in a double homicide investigation. 338 00:26:21,971 --> 00:26:22,854 - Really? How convenient. 339 00:26:22,856 --> 00:26:26,319 You pin a couple of cases you can't solve on someone who's about to be executed. 340 00:26:26,323 --> 00:26:30,024 -Both victims helped convict McDern in his original trial fifteen years ago. 341 00:26:30,055 --> 00:26:32,198 What do you call that, Miss Evers, a coincidence? 342 00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:35,677 - If he is under investigation for a crime, he had a right to counsel when you talked to him. 343 00:26:35,704 --> 00:26:37,930 Now, your behavior's outrageous. 344 00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:39,183 -Give me a break. 345 00:26:39,408 --> 00:26:40,716 He's a convicted murderer. 346 00:26:41,614 --> 00:26:44,950 - That is my client's personal property. I'd advise you not to take it. 347 00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:47,786 - You just bought yourself a lawsuit. -Why bother? 348 00:26:47,809 --> 00:26:50,088 McDern's not going to be around to collect the damages. 349 00:26:51,105 --> 00:26:51,845 -Excuse me. 350 00:27:22,812 --> 00:27:25,391 - I just finished McDern's enemy list. 351 00:27:25,424 --> 00:27:28,954 three other people were harassed. The jury foreman, the judge from his 352 00:27:28,963 --> 00:27:31,514 second trial, and the prosecuting attorney. -You brought 'em 353 00:27:31,524 --> 00:27:33,358 under protective custody? - Oh, yeah, it's taken care of. 354 00:27:33,372 --> 00:27:36,800 Yeah, we've been reading McDern's letters from these women - -One second. 355 00:27:36,816 --> 00:27:38,613 - Some of them need to be locked away. 356 00:27:38,616 --> 00:27:41,668 -You know, well, nine times out of ten, these women have been abused. 357 00:27:41,662 --> 00:27:43,959 And a lot of them don't think that their men are guilty. 358 00:27:43,975 --> 00:27:45,811 I mean, Carol Bruth, she didn't. 359 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,760 She fell for Ted Bundy at his trial, married him and had his child. 360 00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:49,696 -You're kidding me. 361 00:27:49,694 --> 00:27:54,044 One of the hillside stranglers, Kenneth Bianchi's girlfriend tried to copycat a crime. 362 00:27:54,035 --> 00:27:56,638 Make the police think the real killer was still on the loose. 363 00:27:56,678 --> 00:27:58,838 She tried to kill a woman for him. 364 00:27:58,864 --> 00:28:01,867 -But she botched the murder, and he married someone else. 365 00:28:02,689 --> 00:28:04,270 -Let's meet McDern's fan club. 366 00:28:06,743 --> 00:28:10,677 -Number one is Rita Herrera. 32, divorced, works as a manicurist. 367 00:28:10,681 --> 00:28:13,501 She's been corresponding with McDern for the last eight years. 368 00:28:13,495 --> 00:28:15,884 - I just don't get it. I don't know. Call me crazy. 369 00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:18,698 -A lot of these women associate violence with masculinity. 370 00:28:18,942 --> 00:28:21,706 The more violent the man is, the more feminine they feel. 371 00:28:21,826 --> 00:28:24,294 - Take Charles Manson. never hard up for a date. 372 00:28:25,224 --> 00:28:27,844 -He could mesmerize women. Sort of like McDern. 373 00:28:28,069 --> 00:28:30,440 -Heard you thought he was charming. - How did they do it? 374 00:28:30,669 --> 00:28:32,376 -Well, they're natural psychologists. 375 00:28:32,392 --> 00:28:35,359 They're experts at manipulating human emotion. 376 00:28:35,368 --> 00:28:37,878 All that time in prison, they learn how to read people. 377 00:28:37,889 --> 00:28:39,034 -Let's try to read these women. 378 00:28:39,041 --> 00:28:42,086 We've got a lot of letters and not a lot of time. 379 00:28:42,714 --> 00:28:46,424 -Ok, uh, number 2 is a doctor, Leslie Ryan, and why she's 380 00:28:46,416 --> 00:28:49,082 going for a guy like him when she could have me, I don't know. 381 00:28:49,097 --> 00:28:53,503 - You know, here's something. She moved to North Carolina to be closer to the prison two years ago. 382 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:56,066 -Did any of the others? - Yes, four of the others. 383 00:28:56,198 --> 00:28:57,332 -Let's concentrate on them. 384 00:28:58,391 --> 00:29:01,498 - And they all showed up on his visitors list for the past two months. 385 00:29:02,201 --> 00:29:05,412 Barbara Minetta, she's a nurse at park hills hospital. 386 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:11,218 Ilene Klinger she's been protesting one thing or another ever since Vietnam. 387 00:29:11,631 --> 00:29:16,635 Helen Oaks is 35. She's unemployed since her move to Raleigh. 388 00:29:17,284 --> 00:29:19,510 And Corporal Mackensie Sutton. 389 00:29:19,755 --> 00:29:22,323 Stationed at an army base in Greensboro. 390 00:29:22,921 --> 00:29:24,527 -Let's check their alibis. 391 00:29:25,158 --> 00:29:26,364 -That's not everyone. 392 00:29:27,121 --> 00:29:29,156 Katherine Evers is in love with him, too. 393 00:29:29,832 --> 00:29:31,732 LAWYER: Just tell him we don't have until tomorrow. 394 00:29:32,346 --> 00:29:33,662 We need another stay. 395 00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:36,329 -Did he ever mention any of these women to you: Uh, Barbara 396 00:29:36,338 --> 00:29:39,007 Minetta, Helen Oaks, Mackenzie Sutton, or Ilene Klinger? 397 00:29:39,056 --> 00:29:41,380 - Uh, no. -You're sure about that? - Yes. 398 00:29:41,845 --> 00:29:44,744 -Would you mind just looking at these letters? 399 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,502 - Do I look somewhat busy to you? 400 00:29:47,502 --> 00:29:49,808 I'm waiting for the ruling on an appeal that could save a man's life. 401 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:53,698 Now, I don't have the time, nor the inclination to look at his correspondence at the moment. 402 00:29:54,152 --> 00:29:55,970 -These aren't just pen pals. 403 00:29:55,967 --> 00:29:57,302 They're in love with him. 404 00:30:08,733 --> 00:30:10,399 - Get this crap out of here. 405 00:30:11,368 --> 00:30:14,335 -Miss Evers, I'm trying to save lives, too. 406 00:30:14,478 --> 00:30:16,634 One of these women may have killed for McDern. 407 00:30:16,629 --> 00:30:19,013 I think that he knew it and probably encouraged it. 408 00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:22,480 - Well, I think that's impossible because, you see, I know my client. 409 00:30:23,566 --> 00:30:25,212 And he wouldn't do that. 410 00:30:27,619 --> 00:30:29,410 -He used these women. 411 00:30:30,736 --> 00:30:32,345 And I think he's using you. 412 00:30:32,981 --> 00:30:34,187 - Get out! 413 00:30:35,081 --> 00:30:36,011 Now. 414 00:31:13,628 --> 00:31:14,384 -Sam! 415 00:31:16,901 --> 00:31:18,009 -Any luck? 416 00:31:18,007 --> 00:31:20,671 -Sutton was at an officer training camp the day Thompson was kidnapped. 417 00:31:20,689 --> 00:31:23,766 We haven't found Helen or Barbara. We've got agents at their homes waiting. 418 00:31:23,783 --> 00:31:26,097 -What about Ilene Klinger? -Her son said she'd be here. 419 00:31:26,106 --> 00:31:28,403 She's been crusading against the death penalty for years. 420 00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:32,191 -She got to know McDern fighting his cause.The, uh, love came later. 421 00:31:34,657 --> 00:31:37,493 -Look, uh, check the perimeter. Meet me back here in five minutes. 422 00:31:41,228 --> 00:31:44,381 -George found a match on the fingerprints from the Atlanta Train Station. 423 00:31:45,694 --> 00:31:46,691 They're not Jack's. 424 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:50,330 -Whose were they? 425 00:31:50,600 --> 00:32:00,278 -His 11th victim. Dr. Nelson. -The doctor who delivered me? 426 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,729 -I'd say he's winning, Bailey. 427 00:32:08,533 --> 00:32:13,398 - Free Ronnie McDern! Free Ronnie McDern! 428 00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:14,799 -That's Klinger. 429 00:32:20,352 --> 00:32:23,418 -Ilene Klinger. -We're with the FBI. 430 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,894 We'd like to talk to you about your relationship with Ronnie McDern. 431 00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:28,363 - Yes, what about it? 432 00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:31,659 -Well, we understand that you have very deep feelings for Ronnie. 433 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:35,991 - I didn't know it was illegal to care about another human being. 434 00:32:36,003 --> 00:32:38,274 -Depends on how far your caring went. 435 00:32:38,716 --> 00:32:40,033 Where were you Tuesday night? 436 00:32:40,696 --> 00:32:43,545 - Tuesday night I was at the prayer vigil, why? 437 00:32:44,134 --> 00:32:46,483 Would you like to know what I did every other night this week? 438 00:32:46,495 --> 00:32:49,337 Wednesday there was a demonstration in front of city hall, and Thursday there 439 00:32:49,346 --> 00:32:53,797 was a letter-writing campaign, and yesterday I spent with my divorce attorney. 440 00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:55,408 I was hoping it would come through. 441 00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:58,034 I want to marry Ronnie. 442 00:33:02,855 --> 00:33:06,761 I don't expect you to understand, but when you love someone, you make sacrifices. 443 00:33:08,146 --> 00:33:10,243 -Like killing for him? - What? 444 00:33:11,803 --> 00:33:13,889 Ronnie's not capable of murder. 445 00:33:14,937 --> 00:33:19,284 So why would he want someone else to? He's the kindest, gentlest man I have ever met. 446 00:33:19,921 --> 00:33:22,250 - Ilene? Look at this. 447 00:33:35,831 --> 00:33:38,907 - They've denied his stay. They're going to kill him at midnight. 448 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,297 -No sign of Helen or Barbara. Just a lot of unhappy campers. 449 00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:53,397 -The execution goes on at midnight. 450 00:33:53,942 --> 00:33:56,111 -Which judge denied the appeal and lifted the stay? 451 00:33:56,132 --> 00:34:00,413 -Oh, some federal judge. I got it covered, surrounded the courthouse just in case. 452 00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:03,113 -Was that Ilene? Shouldn't we stay on her? 453 00:34:03,244 --> 00:34:04,619 -No. She's not going anywhere. 454 00:34:05,771 --> 00:34:10,314 It's got to be either Helen or Barbara. -If she can't get to the judge, who does she go after? 455 00:34:10,354 --> 00:34:16,019 -Who else is to blame? -The person who lost the appeal. Katherine Evers. 456 00:34:24,366 --> 00:34:27,001 -They're keeping him down here. He's on death watch. 457 00:34:27,025 --> 00:34:29,028 -Wouldn't want to cheat the hangman. 458 00:34:29,363 --> 00:34:33,030 -Some of the other prisoners were egging him on. I wouldn't mind it myself. 459 00:34:33,525 --> 00:34:36,186 I'd get home for a hot meal that much quicker. 460 00:34:44,678 --> 00:34:49,622 - I don't want no trouble, but I don't feel like talking to you right now. 461 00:34:52,944 --> 00:34:57,261 Get me my chaplain? -Yeah. Just relax and talk to these guys. 462 00:34:58,411 --> 00:35:00,981 - What do you want? -Ronnie, where's Katherine? 463 00:35:01,449 --> 00:35:04,083 - She's supposed to be here. What do you mean? 464 00:35:05,503 --> 00:35:07,455 -Why don't you tell us where she is? 465 00:35:12,524 --> 00:35:15,927 - I don't know. She's ok, isn't she? 466 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:17,644 -When are you going to stop, Ronnie? 467 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,792 Is this how you want to spend the last few hours of your life. 468 00:35:22,838 --> 00:35:29,235 a liar? -I know you're scared. 469 00:35:30,584 --> 00:35:32,436 - Yeah, but I want my family. 470 00:35:38,778 --> 00:35:42,074 -I think what you want is some peace. 471 00:35:43,502 --> 00:35:46,150 And you're never going to have that unless you start telling the truth. 472 00:35:59,811 --> 00:36:03,243 - If anyone's going psycho, it's--it's Barbara. 473 00:36:04,401 --> 00:36:06,330 -And why is that? 474 00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:09,400 - She can't deal with the fact that I'm going to die. 475 00:36:14,387 --> 00:36:18,096 About six months ago, she -- she started to get weird. 476 00:36:18,931 --> 00:36:21,361 Asking me all kinds of things about the trial. 477 00:36:21,924 --> 00:36:23,689 I didn't realize why until. 478 00:36:24,505 --> 00:36:29,450 well, until you came by. -Why didn't you say something before? - I wasn't sure. 479 00:36:31,395 --> 00:36:33,547 You have to find Katherine, I mean. 480 00:36:34,215 --> 00:36:39,203 no one deserves to get killed. Not her. 481 00:36:42,928 --> 00:36:44,115 Not me. 482 00:36:45,861 --> 00:36:47,345 Not anyone. 483 00:36:48,568 --> 00:36:52,800 -Eternity is a long time, McDern. For the sake of your soul. 484 00:36:53,767 --> 00:36:55,993 I hope you're telling the truth. 485 00:37:12,403 --> 00:37:13,527 - Ma'am? 486 00:37:19,024 --> 00:37:20,977 - You believe me, don't you? 487 00:37:53,423 --> 00:37:55,556 -It's Helen, not Barbara. -Why? 488 00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:58,432 -Because from the moment I met him, he was trying to manipulate me. 489 00:37:58,454 --> 00:38:01,081 And he still is. -How'd he know to turn in Barbara? 490 00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:05,768 -I mentioned their names to Katherine. She must have told him. 491 00:38:06,006 --> 00:38:07,678 -We've got 68 minutes. 492 00:38:37,014 --> 00:38:38,595 -Be my guest. 493 00:38:42,243 --> 00:38:43,726 -Ok. 494 00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:46,275 -Good boy. 495 00:38:46,336 --> 00:38:49,245 -You get bit as a kid? -Atta boy. 496 00:38:49,672 --> 00:38:51,601 That's it, good boy. 497 00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:02,102 -She's a rescuer. 498 00:39:32,402 --> 00:39:35,394 -McDern's not the only one who got off on those pictures. 499 00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:46,097 -Guys! 500 00:39:51,899 --> 00:39:53,828 -Look at this. 501 00:40:02,343 --> 00:40:04,068 -Reserved for the judge? 502 00:40:06,477 --> 00:40:09,676 -And the D. A. -What are those for? 503 00:40:10,586 --> 00:40:13,799 Don't take me there. -How about Katherine? 504 00:40:13,806 --> 00:40:15,188 Where's her cage? 505 00:40:15,211 --> 00:40:18,597 Didn't Ray say that these were sold at kennels and pet shops? 506 00:40:18,601 --> 00:40:21,118 -Maybe she works at one. -No, she's unemployed. 507 00:40:21,146 --> 00:40:24,784 -These animals are from the pound. -She volunteered. 508 00:40:25,737 --> 00:40:28,204 She couldn't stand to see them killed, so she brought them home. 509 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,612 -Don't they kill stray animals with gas? -Yeah. 510 00:40:38,989 --> 00:40:41,896 -She's going to kill Katherine the same way Ronnie's going to die. 511 00:40:41,943 --> 00:40:44,277 -They're from the Blue Ridge Animal Shelter. 512 00:40:45,585 --> 00:40:47,068 -Let's go. 513 00:41:01,317 --> 00:41:03,134 -I'll go around back. 514 00:41:14,494 --> 00:41:17,990 -You know there are dogs in here. -Don't worry, John, they're in cages. 515 00:41:18,632 --> 00:41:19,873 -Can I help you? 516 00:41:21,697 --> 00:41:26,339 -Helen, where's Katherine? -You can try all you want. 517 00:41:26,331 --> 00:41:30,298 You're never going to separate me and Ronnie. Our love is too strong. 518 00:41:31,094 --> 00:41:36,177 Last week we went roller skating. He wanted me to get some color in my cheeks. 519 00:41:37,304 --> 00:41:41,968 And we watched the sunset together. It's one of Ronnie's favorite things to do. 520 00:41:43,220 --> 00:41:45,149 He's so romantic. 521 00:41:48,849 --> 00:41:51,817 -Helen, we'd like you to come with us. 522 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,488 -Use it. Then I'll be with Ronnie tonight. 523 00:42:07,269 --> 00:42:08,738 -John! -I got her. 524 00:42:15,297 --> 00:42:16,781 -Helen! 525 00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,389 -Hold it! 526 00:42:52,798 --> 00:42:54,641 -Roll over! Roll over! 527 00:42:55,856 --> 00:42:58,305 -Your arm! Your other arm! 528 00:43:02,434 --> 00:43:04,362 -It's over, Helen. 529 00:43:20,646 --> 00:43:22,871 -Turn off the gas! 530 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,680 -Come on. Breathe! Breathe! 531 00:43:43,264 --> 00:43:44,748 -It's ok. 532 00:43:45,978 --> 00:43:47,462 You're ok. 533 00:43:48,691 --> 00:43:50,175 -Ok. 534 00:43:51,405 --> 00:43:52,889 -She's ok. 535 00:44:08,104 --> 00:44:10,245 -Move back, folks, move back. 536 00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:05,539 -What would you do if you only had 12 minutes left to live? -I can't even think about it. 537 00:45:06,077 --> 00:45:09,230 How about you? -I don't know. 538 00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:13,508 Guess I'd try to settle that age old question of redemption. 539 00:45:14,413 --> 00:45:16,639 -What about McDern? 540 00:45:17,164 --> 00:45:19,390 Think he cares about redemption? 541 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,530 -If this day ever comes for Jack, would you want to be there? 542 00:46:08,454 --> 00:46:10,383 -I don't know. 543 00:46:18,314 --> 00:46:23,734 -No, mom. mom, you got to keep the heat on. The nights are getting too cold. 544 00:46:25,634 --> 00:46:29,414 If you need some money, I can send you some money. Yeah. 545 00:46:29,977 --> 00:46:32,914 no, uh, as a matter of fact, I'm feeling pretty cozy. 546 00:46:32,931 --> 00:46:35,797 You know, I'm wearing those flannel PJs you sent me. 547 00:46:37,911 --> 00:46:40,198 -Yeah. Ha ha! 548 00:46:40,436 --> 00:46:42,801 -Uh, no, mama. Yeah. 549 00:46:42,832 --> 00:46:45,301 I--I love you. I love you, too, mom. 550 00:46:47,666 --> 00:46:49,149 -Bye. 551 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,749 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 46295

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