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Breaking news about
Carlos Ghosn.
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He has now fled Tokyo.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
I will ask you to leave the floor, please.
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His escape is a huge story.
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Biggest story of the year by far.
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I did not escape justice.
I fled injustice.
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These allegations are untrue.
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I should have never been
arrested in the first place.
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I don't think that is justice.
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This is only the rich escaping
the criminal process.
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I was left with no other choice
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but to protect myself and my family.
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What makes a former CEO knowingly,
willingly and wantonly
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break the law in Japan by escaping?
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You are regarded as a fugitive.
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The only thing I'm looking for is a trial
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where the, rules or the rights
of the defense will be respected.
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He has a strong belief
in his powers of persuasion.
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I've been the object of
a character assassination campaign.
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Possibly, he can hide things to
a greater extent than is actually true.
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Did I have any inclination
of the depths
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we would have to dive
and what we would uncover?
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I had no idea.
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What has emerged is a complete
re-understanding of Carlos Ghosn.
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It seems like the perfect crime.
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Look at that. This is it.
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His actions are uncomprehensible.
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Flies in the face of logic.
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Flies in the face of decency.
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Judicial system doesn't forget.
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When you say there is a crime,
you say, "Okay, who is the victim?"
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If there is a victim
into the whole story, it's me.
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The big question now is,
is Carlos Ghosn a victim or a villain?
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I'm curious as to what your plan is
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as an international fugitive.
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Well, I'm used to what you call
"mission impossible."
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I've been in too many
"mission impossible."
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At the end of the day,
the mission was to rescue Carlos,
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get him free from Japan
so he wouldn't be killed there.
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Well, Carlos is free
and the Japanese aren't killing him.
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It couldn't
have been more successful.
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With big gestures
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defendant Ghosn accused the prosecutor.
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To legitimize his escape
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he has lied about our judicial system
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and has done so
in front of the whole world.
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As Minister of Justice
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I cannot let that go unchallenged.
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I will repeat as many times as necessary.
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I didn't realize that the Japanese
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would be so embarrassed nationally.
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I had some American lawyers
reach out to me
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and tell me to start being concerned,
and this could end badly.
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There was a photo going through
Immigration in Istanbul
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that was released to the media.
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Two men are suspected
of playing key roles in the escape.
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Michael Taylor, a former US Green Beret
with close ties to Lebanon.
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They were identifying
the man in the picture, me.
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Well, I'm there in Beirut
sitting in a restaurant
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and then a bunch of people were clapping.
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The maƮtre d' came up and said,
"You know, they're clapping for you."
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Taylor and Taylor's adult son, Peter,
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are all accused of helping
former Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn
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escape from Japan.
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I don't need that notoriety.
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A high profile is not something...
you want
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as you're-you're going into
foreign countries trying to help people.
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I didn't wanna stay in Lebanon,
so I returned to the United States.
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I wanted to face
whatever consequences there were.
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In Japan,
in the minds of many people here,
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Carlos Ghosn was guilty.
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To run away in such
a cowardly way isn't human.
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He's a coward.
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And not only was he guilty
he just ran away from the system.
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There was widespread outrage
on the government
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and just general public here.
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This incident is a stain on the history
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of the Japanese justice system.
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For Japan,
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it feels we are a little ridiculed.
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It's not little,
we are terribly ridiculed.
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Me being able to
leave Japan and coming to Lebanon
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was another chance at life.
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I can give another voice,
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certainly as strong as the voice of Nissan
and the Japanese state,
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but at least which ring true,
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when you compare it
to all the lies and the manipulation.
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And I profoundly think that with time,
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truth will always appear
for whoever cares about it.
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Up until now, for me the thing that...
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- Yeah, the very, very serious point of...
- this entire Ghosn saga
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are the latest Japanese allegations
of financial crime, essentially theft.
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Japanese prosecutors suspect
that this isn't isolated to Nissan,
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but they don't have jurisdiction
to investigate Renault.
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Only the French can do that.
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And so, they send the evidence
that they've gathered to the French.
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Three, two, one.
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Renault is an important company.
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It's part of the French history.
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We trusted Carlos Ghosn.
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But after Carlos Ghosn was arrested,
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Renault immediately initiated
an internal investigation
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to understand what was going on.
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And then the investigation start
revealing things that are troubling.
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Through getting documents, getting emails,
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getting financial reports,
a story begins to emerge.
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Ghosn had millions of dollars
in questionable expenses
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on the Renault-Nissan company tab.
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And it's all quite shocking.
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There were millions of dollars
in private jet flights
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to destinations like Ibiza,
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where the company
has no corporate operations.
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Skiing in North America,
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beautiful islands
off the coast of South America,
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and in the flight log,
he's written a single word. "Meeting."
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But he's got family members on board.
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You have some lavish parties.
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Was it a birthday party?
Was it a business party?
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Renault paid over 630,000 euros
for this Louis XIV-themed gala.
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Why did they have to focus on this?
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Carlos made millions,
millions of dollars for the company.
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And then they were being so petty,
criticizing him over a party.
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And it's not a crime.
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Ghosn hosted friends
and acquaintances at the Rio Carnival.
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And on top of that,
Renault-Nissan are involved
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in paying for luxury homes
for the Ghosns. Paris, Brazil.
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There's a property in Lebanon.
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It appears as if Ghosn is using
the company as if it were his own.
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So whether that's criminal or not,
I don't know.
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That's up to the courts to decide.
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But all that is a tiny element.
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It's, the...
The little tip of the iceberg.
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But when other information arrived,
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we expanded the scope
of our internal investigation.
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The lawyers working for Nissan
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had handed over
the contents of a hard drive
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to the Renault investigators.
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The hard drive belongs to
Carlos Ghosn's late personal lawyer.
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This allegedly contained
a mountain of evidence.
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And so, obviously, we wanted to
get our hands on this information.
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Now, new accusations against Carlos Ghosn:
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The former Renault-Nissan boss is now
the target of a French inquiry
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for misuse of corporate assets
and money laundering.
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It was hugely damaging to Ghosn.
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Renault's French employees feel betrayed.
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We cannot afford,
with everything we ask of our employees,
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to have the head of the group, the CEO,
stealing from his employees.
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Historically,
in France a lot of people were outraged
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about the job cuts and the wage squeeze.
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So the idea that the country's
most highly-paid executive
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is using the company
to enrich himself further...
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that just shattered his aura forever,
actually, in France.
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He's a serial fraudster.
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For the French,
there is a profound sense of injustice.
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This is very bad news for our economy
and our democracy.
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He has numerous accusations against him.
He must answer them.
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And of course, the investigation will
tell Carlos Ghosn to explain it.
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There were
many PR company in France
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using, you know, the Versailles story.
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Using, you know, events like this,
distorting reality.
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So let's fight an injustice,
but in a way where you...
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I'm not with people who want to charge me,
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but with people who wanna see
where is the truth.
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Well,
as far as this hard drive is concerned,
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I cannot speak about the content.
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But the content shocks the conscience.
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That's all I can say.
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At about 5:00 a.m.,
I heard banging on my door.
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I was just in my underwear.
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There were 15 armed
US Marshals with M4s in their hand.
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They said, you know,
"Are you Peter Taylor?" I said, "Yes."
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And they said, "This is for Japan.
It's for you and your father."
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You know, I was thinking, like,
"W-What are you guys doing?"
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I mean,
bringing armored personnel carriers
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and over 15 armed men with M4s
is a bit extreme.
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It was clear that the Japanese
are suffering
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from severe PTSD from Ghosn's escape.
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It's just something
that they're not gonna get over.
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A Harvard man who pulled off an escape
straight out of Hollywood.
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He and his son are behind bars
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for helping a Nissan executive
accused of embezzlement
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get away from Japanese authorities.
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What will happen
if you are extradited?
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What is your fear?
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There's no doubt in my mind,
we'll be tortured severely
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if we end up being, extradited.
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The attorneys had advised me
that there's a good chance
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that Japan will request extradition.
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The attorney said
they'll never get it in a million years
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because you can't extradite
somebody to a country
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where you know they're gonna be tortured.
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I was pretty confident
that the US would not extradite me.
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No money was stolen, no one died,
no one was hurt.
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I felt sorry for my son.
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He shouldn't have been involved with this.
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He wasn't involved to
the level they think.
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Why do you think you've been
targeted for extradition?
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Well, they cannot reach
Carlos Ghosn because he is in Lebanon
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and Lebanon will not extradite
anybody from their country.
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So they cannot get him.
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So they want to come after myself
and my son.
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My mother's a distant relation of Ghosn.
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I think my mother was a bit surprised
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that, after our arrests,
she didn't hear from Carlos Ghosn.
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And I think that's also because
everyone was asking her in Lebanon.
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"Hey, you know,
he must be in contact with you, right?
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Obviously he called you up
as soon as we were arrested."
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And my mother's like,
"No... he didn't."
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Family is everything.
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If I was the person on the other side
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and somebody had saved my life,
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I'd be doing everything I could to help.
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I hope our president gets
word of this and can do the right thing.
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I was lucky to have people
who supported me in this.
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Those people are
facing criminal proceedings potentially.
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Well, you know, we knew
from the beginning what are the risks,
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you know,
involved into an operation like this.
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- Where is the photo?
- Here.
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- Like this?
- Yeah.
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I remember talking to Carlos Ghosn
shortly after the escape.
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So we-we've all had a lot of fun
with-with your escape.
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Um, you know,
we wrote yesterday that there's now
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a-a video game,
in development already.
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I didn't know.
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So when Ghosn escapes, you know,
dodges prosecutors and the police...
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He was just, like, laughing
and thought this was very funny.
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Carole was laughing.
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But you could see that he was proud.
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His prospects in Japan were so dire,
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and now he's living a free man, really,
in Lebanon.
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He's a poker player, Ghosn.
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And this was
the ultimate winning move for him.
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But the collateral damage,
the trail of bodies from his actions,
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like, his choices... is huge.
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I currently live with my wife
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under house arrest in Japan,
waiting for trial.
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And, you know,
when you're in your sixties,
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you lose three years of your life,
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you're not looking, like, at a horizon
when you're 25 years old.
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Over to Japan now, where
former Nissan executive Greg Kelly
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is accused of helping
his former boss Carlos Ghosn
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hide millions of dollars from regulators.
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Greg Kelly, if convicted,
faces up to ten years in prison.
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I did not violate
any criminal laws in Japan.
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My family is very important to me.
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And I would like to be able to
be in the United States with my family.
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I'm 63 years old.
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Greg Kelly's legal strategy,
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up until the day
Carlos Ghosn fled the country,
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was to put Carlos Ghosn up on the stand
and say, "Carlos Ghosn,
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had I formed a binding contract
with you to pay you $100 million
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without disclosing it to shareholders
after you retired?"
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And Carlos Ghosn would say no.
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But Carlos Ghosn
wasn't in the country anymore
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and that whole legal strategy
went out the window.
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So Greg Kelly was left holding the bag,
so to speak.
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Ironically, there were now
more serious charges against Ghosn
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which Greg Kelly had nothing to do with.
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I've had to wait two years for a trial,
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even though it was for compensation
which was never paid,
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never earned, never promised to be paid.
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I'm the one that's on trial,
but there's no criminal conduct.
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I mean, it just... it doesn't make sense.
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Above all,
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this was a crime where a CEO
concealed his large personal remuneration
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and deceived shareholders.
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This is an extremely serious crime
in the US and the UK, as well as in Japan.
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How much faith
do you have that it's a fair process?
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Let's say I'm praying on it.
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My worst nightmare is
that they find him guilty.
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I think that would just be
too much to bear.
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A delegation
of French magistrates and investigators
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will be heading to Beirut
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to hear from Lebanese
businessman Carlos Ghosn.
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The French judiciary are interested
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in suspicious expenses
from Renault-Nissan.
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But the former CEO formally denies
these accusations.
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It appears that through the course
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of normal business
with Renault and Nissan,
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money was diverted to other companies
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in which Carlos Ghosn and his entourage
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seems to have a personal interest.
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This is very, very troubling.
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I'm ready to collaborate
with the French justice system.
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I wanna give them some facts
and the explanation of the facts.
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I think in front of Carlos Ghosn,
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we have a plot
and-and-and fake accusations.
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And for the first time
since Carlos Ghosn got arrested,
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we face the fair way to ask him questions.
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And it's just... I would say
it's just the beginning of the dance.
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It's the very first time that our client
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can explain himself in front of judges
with his lawyers sitting near him
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after preparing his defense.
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They interrogated me for three days.
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What surprised me
during this interrogation
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is they were concentrated on
a computer and the hard drive
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that were stolen from the office
I was using in B... in Beirut.
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It was taken by Nissan lawyers
without any warrant.
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And by the way,
the computer is not even mine.
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Carlos Ghosn participated voluntarily.
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And he gave long and detailed answers
to hundreds of questions.
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I answer everything, all the question
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that-that were not related to specifics
coming from the hard drive.
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I refused to answer question
related to this.
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How can you trust
they're not using information
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that had been manipulated, added?
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I don't know.
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It was beginning to look like
Ghosn didn't want to deal with scrutiny.
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And all of that evidence
was contained in those hard drives.
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What we really wanted to know,
was Carlos Ghosn a criminal or not?
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When you're on a story that big, you know,
it doesn't matter what it takes.
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It doesn't matter
how small the information is.
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You go out there and get it.
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A last-minute appeal
from a Harvard father and son
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to avoid extradition to Japan
has been denied by a judge.
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I was pretty pissed off.
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I'm really disappointed in my own country.
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Absolutely felt betrayed.
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The thing with Mike is that
he operates in this kind of gray area.
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He gets the job done.
Um, doesn't really matter how.
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Sometimes he d... he does very good things.
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Sometimes he does,
like, very shady things.
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Back in 2012, he is accused of a...
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Of rigging a bid
for a $54 million contract.
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And then of bribing an FBI official
to cover this up.
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He accepted a plea deal
after spending 14 months in jail.
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The fact that Mike Taylor
is a convicted criminal
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probably goes against him.
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The US government have
an extradition treaty with Japan
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which they can choose to respect or not.
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And in the case of Mike Taylor,
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they choose to respect that treaty,
and Mike Taylor is extradited.
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The Taylors could be
put on a plane at any time now.
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The Japanese took custody of us
at Logan Airport,
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put us on a Japanese airliner.
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We were shackled
and we had a dog leash on us.
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They had about 17 security guards for us,
two prosecutors and two interpreters.
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I think they... In their mind,
they showed the world,
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"Hey, we can reach out
and get anybody we want,
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even American citizens."
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A Massachusetts father and son
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accused of helping a former
Nissan executive escape from Japan
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have pleaded guilty.
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Michael and Peter Taylor
entered their guilty pleas
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in a Tokyo courtroom overnight.
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So we're looking
three to three and a half years
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of sitting in solitary confinement
at Tokyo Detention House
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before we can get to a trial.
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So, of course, what do we do?
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We did the business decision
and we pled guilty right away.
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On the outside I had to be apologetic
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and pretend like I was remorseful.
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But on the inside,
it's like, "Screw you, guys."
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The Japanese court sentenced
Michael Taylor to two years in prison.
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His son Peter will serve
one year, eight months.
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I knew that was the last time
I was gonna see my father,
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for a long time at least.
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So I always made sure to smile,
tell him I love him.
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I told him, "I'm fine.
You have nothing to worry about."
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But should I have been a bit worried?
Certainly.
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Carlos Ghosn
and the Taylors traded places.
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That's how angry the Japanese were,
is they...
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They pushed to have the extradition.
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And they were sent to the same
Japanese jail that Ghosn was in.
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Kelly has been left
behind within this whole situation,
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and so, for the past 17 months,
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has been testifying here in Tokyo,
trying to clear his name.
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Before the announcement of the verdict,
I was scared to death.
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The verdict is being
delivered as we speak.
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Was it a victory or a loss?
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It is a difficult question but
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almost win.
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Hello?
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Yo, dude. The weirdest verdict.
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The judge gave him a six-month sentence
but then suspended it.
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He's also free to return to the US,
and we expect that to happen fairly soon.
377
00:27:19,224 --> 00:27:21,943
- Did you speak to Greg about it, or...
- No, I haven't had a chance yet.
378
00:27:22,143 --> 00:27:25,197
But, like, Greg's always held
from the beginning that he's not guilty.
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00:27:25,397 --> 00:27:27,023
That he did nothing wrong.
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We've got negative COVID tests.
Greg's got his passport.
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We're headed home to see our family
and our friends.
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00:27:43,081 --> 00:27:45,675
Three years and three months
it took to get to this point.
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00:27:45,875 --> 00:27:47,135
It's just unbelievable.
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00:27:47,335 --> 00:27:48,335
Amen.
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Suitcases.
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A little over a month after my sentencing,
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remained in solitary and then was sent
to Yokohama Prison, where I thought,
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00:28:23,788 --> 00:28:27,050
like, I wouldn't be in solitary anymore,
and then I went right back to solitary...
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with even worse conditions.
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00:28:33,423 --> 00:28:36,685
I was pretty much immobile for two years.
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So I wasn't moving.
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00:28:41,973 --> 00:28:46,069
You see people around you
in solitary, grown men, kicking,
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00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:49,439
banging on their doors,
sobbing, totally breaking down.
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00:28:54,069 --> 00:28:57,581
It seemed like a justice system
that was kind of created
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back when Japan literally
was a dictatorship.
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00:29:04,162 --> 00:29:08,166
I heard nothing from Carlos
the entire time we were in jail.
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00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:17,217
Carlos's time in jail were a cakewalk
compared to what me and Peter suffered.
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00:29:19,553 --> 00:29:21,563
Fifteen consecutive days or more
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00:29:21,763 --> 00:29:24,224
of solitary confinement
is considered torture.
400
00:29:25,016 --> 00:29:29,279
Peter spent 13 months in
prison solitary confinement.
401
00:29:29,479 --> 00:29:31,189
I spent 17 months.
402
00:29:32,482 --> 00:29:33,408
You sleep on the floor.
403
00:29:33,608 --> 00:29:35,860
You eat on the floor.
Everything's on the floor.
404
00:29:37,404 --> 00:29:39,122
There's no heat. You freeze.
405
00:29:39,322 --> 00:29:41,741
You get frostbite
'cause you don't have shoes.
406
00:29:42,325 --> 00:29:44,002
You can't stay warm, it's impossible.
407
00:29:44,202 --> 00:29:46,288
And you're not allowed
to exercise in your room.
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00:29:54,129 --> 00:29:57,382
They'll come around
and give you whatever work it is.
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00:29:57,966 --> 00:29:59,926
They'll give that to you in your cell.
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00:30:02,721 --> 00:30:04,890
My work was to tear
little pieces of paper.
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00:30:06,516 --> 00:30:08,226
And it's really hard material.
412
00:30:09,185 --> 00:30:11,321
And you're now getting blood blisters
on your fingertips
413
00:30:11,521 --> 00:30:12,981
but you gotta keep doing that.
414
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:17,068
It's just a psychological game
they're playing with you.
415
00:30:17,569 --> 00:30:20,113
I don't think it serves any real purpose
other than that.
416
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:26,953
I found out that my father was dying.
417
00:30:27,495 --> 00:30:31,166
My attorneys came to see me, tell me,
"Your father's got cancer and he's dying.
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00:30:31,708 --> 00:30:33,251
He only has a matter of weeks."
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00:30:34,127 --> 00:30:37,723
I requested to make a telephone call
to my father on his deathbed.
420
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:39,141
I was denied that.
421
00:30:39,341 --> 00:30:40,475
They wouldn't let me call my father,
422
00:30:40,675 --> 00:30:43,511
so he died without me being able
to say goodbye to him.
423
00:31:02,781 --> 00:31:06,084
Up until early 2019,
shortly after Ghosn was first arrested,
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00:31:06,284 --> 00:31:09,162
there was a lot of talk
about hostage justice,
425
00:31:09,996 --> 00:31:14,134
and honestly, the first couple
of charges didn't seem that serious.
426
00:31:14,334 --> 00:31:18,046
And because of the treatment Ghosn was
receiving, it seemed out of proportion.
427
00:31:20,215 --> 00:31:21,725
When you learn about this hard drive,
428
00:31:21,925 --> 00:31:25,971
it seems that Carlos Ghosn's
explanations are no longer sufficient.
429
00:31:34,187 --> 00:31:35,781
By an incredible stroke of luck,
430
00:31:35,981 --> 00:31:39,109
one of my sources had access
to the contents of the hard drive.
431
00:31:49,661 --> 00:31:53,006
On this hard drive were all of
Ghosn's late lawyer's communications,
432
00:31:53,206 --> 00:31:55,375
all of his emails, going back years.
433
00:31:56,835 --> 00:31:59,546
And they seem to detail
this hidden flow of money.
434
00:32:03,967 --> 00:32:07,429
It all seemed to start about
a decade before he was arrested.
435
00:32:11,099 --> 00:32:14,811
Overseas markets
tumbled this morning for a second day.
436
00:32:16,646 --> 00:32:20,450
As a result of the public outrage
about executive pay in Japan
437
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:23,945
during the financial crisis,
Ghosn took a big pay cut.
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00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:26,281
Basically 50% of his salary.
439
00:32:28,116 --> 00:32:31,703
And he certainly could not
have been happy about this drop in status.
440
00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:34,998
You know, everything starts from there.
441
00:32:46,676 --> 00:32:48,437
When you look at this hard drive,
442
00:32:48,637 --> 00:32:52,691
there's evidence that suggests Carlos
Ghosn received tens of millions of dollars
443
00:32:52,891 --> 00:32:55,902
from an Omani billionaire
called Suhail Bahwan
444
00:32:56,102 --> 00:32:57,854
and from other people close to him.
445
00:33:00,982 --> 00:33:04,286
In 2004,
Suhail Bahwan set up a car dealership
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00:33:04,486 --> 00:33:06,830
called Suhail Bahwan Automobiles, or SBA
447
00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:10,917
which would buy Renault and Nissan cars
and sell them in Oman
448
00:33:11,117 --> 00:33:12,757
and in-in other Middle Eastern countries.
449
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,924
From 2011, Renault and Nissan
start to give special bonuses
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00:33:18,124 --> 00:33:21,428
to this Omani dealership to the tune
of about $50 million.
451
00:33:21,628 --> 00:33:23,388
And you can kind of see,
if you look at the emails,
452
00:33:23,588 --> 00:33:27,676
these bonuses are being given as a...
As a direct order by-by Carlos Ghosn.
453
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,898
Through a fairly convoluted route,
a similar amount of money
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00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:36,518
seems to have ended up
in Carlos Ghosn's pocket.
455
00:33:38,103 --> 00:33:41,239
What you have is $50 million
going from the car companies
456
00:33:41,439 --> 00:33:44,826
into the car dealership,
and you have $50 million
457
00:33:45,026 --> 00:33:48,330
going to shell companies
in Lebanon controlled by Carlos Ghosn,
458
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:52,033
from Suhail Bahwan
and other people tied to the dealership.
459
00:33:57,414 --> 00:34:00,834
It's-It's unbelievable that he managed
to keep this quiet for so many years.
460
00:34:01,459 --> 00:34:03,169
It... It stinks.
461
00:34:07,048 --> 00:34:10,594
Was Carlos Ghosn that upset
about cutting his pay by 50%?
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00:34:11,094 --> 00:34:14,064
And that upset that, you know,
Nissan wasn't able to figure out a way
463
00:34:14,264 --> 00:34:16,357
to get him his money back
that he decided he'll go on out
464
00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:17,901
and do it in... on his own?
465
00:34:18,101 --> 00:34:21,271
It started to look like he was a thief.
466
00:34:26,192 --> 00:34:27,828
If, through Nissan and Renault,
467
00:34:28,028 --> 00:34:30,247
you were channeling
tens of millions of dollars
468
00:34:30,447 --> 00:34:34,960
to Suhail Bahwan and associated companies
and people within those companies...
469
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,087
- Yeah.
- And then similar amounts,
470
00:34:37,287 --> 00:34:39,339
tens of millions of dollars,
471
00:34:39,539 --> 00:34:42,968
were arriving back into your pocket
through shell companies or other means,
472
00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:44,720
- Yeah.
- You must recognize that,
473
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,055
at the very least,
that's a conflict of interest.
474
00:34:47,255 --> 00:34:50,142
Look, there is no conflict of interest
for a very simple reason,
475
00:34:50,342 --> 00:34:55,387
is Suhail Bahwan has absolutely
no interaction with the distributor.
476
00:34:56,014 --> 00:34:57,607
He has no interaction
with the distributor.
477
00:34:57,807 --> 00:35:00,027
So people are gonna say, you know,
"Why didn't you talk about it?"
478
00:35:00,227 --> 00:35:03,989
But I have a lot of relationship
with many people in the worlds
479
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:08,493
who can be cousins, or uncles,
or friends of existing distributors.
480
00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:11,872
Doesn't mean that every time
I have a relationship,
481
00:35:12,072 --> 00:35:15,500
or I give some advice, or I give any,
482
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:20,047
you know, um, strategic,
point of view
483
00:35:20,247 --> 00:35:23,091
or counseling to these people,
I need to declare them.
484
00:35:23,291 --> 00:35:27,671
The distributor in Oman...
The main shareholder,
485
00:35:28,255 --> 00:35:32,100
of the distributor of-of Oman,
is Ahmed Bahwan.
486
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:33,352
Okay?
487
00:35:33,552 --> 00:35:37,147
What they have done
is they have linked Ahmed Bahwan
488
00:35:37,347 --> 00:35:39,566
with his father, Suhail Bahwan.
489
00:35:39,766 --> 00:35:42,694
Suhail Bahwan, by the way,
is not a shareholder of the company.
490
00:35:42,894 --> 00:35:44,780
He has absolutely no link to the company.
491
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:49,326
He founded the company,
and at a certain moment, in 2008 or 2009,
492
00:35:49,526 --> 00:35:52,153
he has given all the shares to his sons.
493
00:35:52,737 --> 00:35:56,199
Suhail Bahwan,
as a independent businessman,
494
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:00,996
used to come to see me,
seek my advice, for many years.
495
00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:02,381
Okay?
496
00:36:02,581 --> 00:36:08,345
And, all the payment that were
made to this distributor were justified.
497
00:36:08,545 --> 00:36:12,974
You have many executives
of Renault and of Nissan who signed off.
498
00:36:13,174 --> 00:36:16,636
We explained this to the judge
but he decided to ignore it.
499
00:36:20,432 --> 00:36:23,527
Actually,
we believe that Mr. Suhail Bahwan,
500
00:36:23,727 --> 00:36:27,280
he was directly and personally involved
in the relationship with SBA
501
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,817
and with its leadership,
and that on the side,
502
00:36:32,193 --> 00:36:36,498
Carlos Ghosn was maintaining
a completely concealed,
503
00:36:36,698 --> 00:36:41,786
long, highly remunerated,
personal relationship with this company.
504
00:36:44,831 --> 00:36:47,292
This is textbook conflict of interest.
505
00:36:47,876 --> 00:36:51,588
And he never mentioned this to anyone.
506
00:36:58,428 --> 00:37:00,897
When this information was first
coming out about these money flows,
507
00:37:01,097 --> 00:37:03,141
nothing is actually in Ghosn's name.
508
00:37:03,892 --> 00:37:06,236
But there's a bunch of emails
in the hard drive
509
00:37:06,436 --> 00:37:09,606
which show Ghosn's late lawyer
moving money around to buy this yacht.
510
00:37:10,106 --> 00:37:13,026
And the initial down payment,
th-the money came from Oman.
511
00:37:21,618 --> 00:37:23,578
At the Dbayeh marina,
512
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,122
there is a lot of security.
513
00:37:28,208 --> 00:37:29,928
This is it right there.
514
00:37:30,502 --> 00:37:32,254
Inside, to the marina.
515
00:37:35,215 --> 00:37:37,655
We can't get in.
We're gonna have to turn around.
516
00:37:42,722 --> 00:37:44,107
See... See that walkway there?
517
00:37:44,307 --> 00:37:45,559
Can we drive down there?
518
00:37:46,184 --> 00:37:48,186
That's public. Perfect.
519
00:37:49,854 --> 00:37:50,854
Look at that.
520
00:37:51,856 --> 00:37:52,657
Yeah, this is it.
521
00:37:52,857 --> 00:37:54,701
- My God, that's Ghosn's yacht.
- Yeah.
522
00:37:54,901 --> 00:37:57,662
Think it's the one with
the gray things on the top of it.
523
00:37:57,862 --> 00:38:01,375
I mean, I don't know what the definition
of a superyacht is, but it's a 120-foot.
524
00:38:01,575 --> 00:38:02,575
Yeah, it's huge.
525
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:07,080
Why did Ghosn want a yacht?
526
00:38:08,498 --> 00:38:10,667
I mean,
this is how rich people spend money.
527
00:38:11,543 --> 00:38:13,845
And we know that the Ghosn family
528
00:38:14,045 --> 00:38:16,673
kind of used it to cruise around
the Mediterranean.
529
00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:21,344
People that Ghosn was hanging out with,
people like Suhail Bahwan,
530
00:38:22,012 --> 00:38:26,308
they are billionaires,
and these people own yachts.
531
00:38:26,975 --> 00:38:31,062
Ghosn, you know, in buying
a yacht, was kind of joining that club.
532
00:38:31,563 --> 00:38:33,982
That club of the ultrawealthy.
533
00:38:34,983 --> 00:38:38,612
Prosecutors believe he's been using
company money to pay for that yacht.
534
00:38:42,824 --> 00:38:44,000
I don't know whether or not
535
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,086
he is being protected by
the Lebanese government
536
00:38:46,286 --> 00:38:48,755
but he is drinking champagne in Lebanon
537
00:38:48,955 --> 00:38:51,550
and he is relaxing by the pool.
538
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:54,044
That's a fact.
539
00:39:04,012 --> 00:39:05,612
Who owned the yacht?
540
00:39:08,476 --> 00:39:11,645
Well...
the yacht is, the yacht is
541
00:39:12,187 --> 00:39:14,781
the property of the company,
of Beauty Yacht.
542
00:39:14,981 --> 00:39:16,825
And, Beauty Yacht has shareholders.
543
00:39:17,025 --> 00:39:20,954
But potentially, in practical
day-to-day terms, you own the yacht.
544
00:39:21,154 --> 00:39:22,831
- You've used the yacht.
- I'm using the yacht today.
545
00:39:23,031 --> 00:39:25,751
I'm spending on the yacht.
I'm paying for the employees.
546
00:39:25,951 --> 00:39:27,244
Yes, that's what I'm doing.
547
00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:36,211
A new arrest warrant
has been issued for Carlos Ghosn.
548
00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:40,724
French prosecutors
issuing an international arrest warrant
549
00:39:40,924 --> 00:39:43,060
for former Nissan chairman Carlos Ghosn
550
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:45,270
and four others they
say allegedly helped him
551
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:48,765
funnel millions of euros
from French carmaker Renault.
552
00:39:49,641 --> 00:39:53,487
I think there's enough smoke now that
there are legitimate questions to answer.
553
00:39:53,687 --> 00:39:55,647
This is not all just a plot
from the Japanese.
554
00:39:56,231 --> 00:39:57,407
Go to court. Make your case.
555
00:39:57,607 --> 00:39:59,025
Just like every other citizen.
556
00:39:59,651 --> 00:40:04,915
This idea that Carlos Ghosn
is a lovable rogue who should now
557
00:40:05,115 --> 00:40:09,202
just be allowed to continue his
life scot-free is not gonna fly.
558
00:40:11,288 --> 00:40:14,124
Why not surrender to
the French authorities?
559
00:40:14,624 --> 00:40:15,550
Look, I-I cannot.
560
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:19,296
Will you physically go to
France to face these charges?
561
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,056
But I cannot.
562
00:40:21,256 --> 00:40:24,142
What you... you seem to say,
okay, I'm sitting in Lebanon
563
00:40:24,342 --> 00:40:26,603
and I can fly... I have no passport.
564
00:40:26,803 --> 00:40:27,979
I cannot move from Lebanon.
565
00:40:28,179 --> 00:40:32,234
I am under the Lebanese justice system
and under the Lebanese jurisdiction.
566
00:40:32,434 --> 00:40:33,902
- But...
- And we just have to acknowledge that.
567
00:40:34,102 --> 00:40:36,613
Yeah, Carlos, isn't it possible
that you could get to France
568
00:40:36,813 --> 00:40:39,116
and face charges there in a place where,
you know,
569
00:40:39,316 --> 00:40:42,235
the justice system is
considered much more fair?
570
00:40:43,278 --> 00:40:45,997
It's easier saying this is a
corrupt Japanese case,
571
00:40:46,197 --> 00:40:48,333
but now the French
have an arrest warrant...
572
00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:49,459
- Sure.
- It looks worse.
573
00:40:49,659 --> 00:40:52,495
It's harder for you
to say this system isn't fair.
574
00:40:53,330 --> 00:40:54,131
It i... It is true.
575
00:40:54,331 --> 00:40:57,718
But will be more simple
to transfer the files
576
00:40:57,918 --> 00:41:02,180
which are all connected to Lebanon
and to have a fair trial in Lebanon.
577
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:06,226
Mr. Ghosn, you've complained
bitterly about Japan's justice system,
578
00:41:06,426 --> 00:41:10,063
but you don't seem that keen on
the French justice system either.
579
00:41:10,263 --> 00:41:12,441
You sound very much like
someone who isn't going to accept
580
00:41:12,641 --> 00:41:15,560
any justice system
unless it finds you innocent.
581
00:41:18,396 --> 00:41:23,702
It is clear that Carlos Ghosn
did what he thought was best
582
00:41:23,902 --> 00:41:25,195
for Carlos Ghosn.
583
00:41:26,029 --> 00:41:31,626
The impact has been felt most by
people like the Taylors and Greg Kelly.
584
00:41:31,826 --> 00:41:37,540
People who served jail time
as a result of Carlos Ghosn's decisions.
585
00:41:44,631 --> 00:41:45,432
We're here.
586
00:41:45,632 --> 00:41:47,559
- Yep.
- And it's good.
587
00:41:47,759 --> 00:41:48,643
Took a while.
588
00:41:48,843 --> 00:41:51,221
Just a little bit.
589
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:55,070
Just no place like home.
590
00:41:56,518 --> 00:41:58,158
Has everybody got a glass of wine?
591
00:41:58,979 --> 00:41:59,988
Great to have you here.
592
00:42:00,188 --> 00:42:01,073
Thank you.
593
00:42:01,273 --> 00:42:01,991
Cheers.
594
00:42:02,191 --> 00:42:03,867
And now the other children need, like,
18 minutes from...
595
00:42:04,067 --> 00:42:05,150
I know.
596
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:08,330
I felt a little bit like I'd had
the stuffing beat out of me
597
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:10,364
by the time I got back.
598
00:42:11,866 --> 00:42:13,368
Whoa!
599
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:16,505
You're acquitted on
seven of eight charges,
600
00:42:16,705 --> 00:42:20,082
but you can't escape the system
even after you've been acquitted.
601
00:42:24,129 --> 00:42:27,757
It was announced that Nissan's
filed a civil suit against me
602
00:42:28,258 --> 00:42:31,978
over Ghosn's compensation
and now they want me
603
00:42:32,178 --> 00:42:36,016
to pay 1.4 billion yen,
so around 12 million dollars,
604
00:42:37,267 --> 00:42:39,686
which is well beyond my means.
605
00:42:40,604 --> 00:42:42,948
Kind of feel like, okay, we're back.
606
00:42:43,148 --> 00:42:45,701
Here's our life.
But is it really our life right now?
607
00:42:45,901 --> 00:42:48,078
There's always that little thing
in the back of your head.
608
00:42:48,278 --> 00:42:49,496
- Uncertainty.
- Yeah.
609
00:42:49,696 --> 00:42:50,780
Yeah.
610
00:43:03,209 --> 00:43:07,130
My lawyer submitted a motion
to the United Nations working group
611
00:43:07,714 --> 00:43:10,175
on torture and human rights,
612
00:43:11,259 --> 00:43:16,514
explaining some of the torture
we received and our treatment.
613
00:43:17,766 --> 00:43:20,485
And he said, "Within a matter of days,
614
00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:24,481
you're gonna see the Ministry of Justice
in Japan approve your transfer."
615
00:43:25,106 --> 00:43:26,566
And he was right.
616
00:43:35,075 --> 00:43:37,827
It was a hard adjustment,
coming back to civilization.
617
00:43:40,455 --> 00:43:42,666
First thing I did was start eating food.
618
00:43:44,376 --> 00:43:45,961
I looked like I should have been dead.
619
00:43:47,003 --> 00:43:48,213
And I felt that way too.
620
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,975
I lost 50 pounds when I was there.
621
00:43:52,175 --> 00:43:54,636
And Peter lost 40 pounds.
622
00:43:56,471 --> 00:43:58,774
Can you remember what your dad
and you said to each other
623
00:43:58,974 --> 00:44:00,392
when you first saw each other?
624
00:44:01,393 --> 00:44:03,436
He said, "You're so skinny."
625
00:44:04,896 --> 00:44:06,773
And he, he got emotional.
626
00:44:15,532 --> 00:44:19,586
- I mean...
- Am I responsible?
627
00:44:19,786 --> 00:44:22,714
I mean, if somebody is responsible,
628
00:44:22,914 --> 00:44:27,919
is the people who have organized
this plot in such a malicious way.
629
00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:32,391
This is where the responsibility is,
not about somebody who is being caught
630
00:44:32,591 --> 00:44:37,762
in a trap and desperately tried to have
another chance... at life.
631
00:44:42,434 --> 00:44:45,186
I met Carlos in January.
632
00:44:46,479 --> 00:44:48,398
I saw him for maybe an hour.
633
00:44:49,441 --> 00:44:50,942
There was no emotion.
634
00:44:52,819 --> 00:44:58,533
I would have expressed some sympathy,
empathy for somebody who saved my life.
635
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:03,121
He didn't express any of that whatsoever.
636
00:45:04,998 --> 00:45:08,084
So far,
I'm out of pocket just for legal fees.
637
00:45:09,002 --> 00:45:11,546
Well over a million dollars
in legal fees owed.
638
00:45:14,758 --> 00:45:16,134
Those are big numbers.
639
00:45:17,469 --> 00:45:19,271
And did he give you assurances
at that point?
640
00:45:19,471 --> 00:45:24,476
That he would kind of recognize the risk
you'd taken and look after you?
641
00:45:24,976 --> 00:45:26,403
Yeah, he did say that to me.
642
00:45:26,603 --> 00:45:30,407
That, you know... And I... And I told him,
"Hey, I just saved your life, you know.
643
00:45:30,607 --> 00:45:34,202
One of the things I'm concerned
about now is you're gonna pay
644
00:45:34,402 --> 00:45:36,329
for the... that expense of the legal fees."
645
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:38,198
Which he said, "Of course I will."
646
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:41,618
But he's not.
647
00:45:46,957 --> 00:45:51,094
I sent his wife, Carole, a text saying,
"What's up with your husband?
648
00:45:51,294 --> 00:45:54,422
How come he ain't paying?" No response.
649
00:45:55,465 --> 00:45:59,302
I understand she gotta stand by
her husband, but I don't know.
650
00:46:01,429 --> 00:46:04,057
A person's ungrateful
that you saved their life.
651
00:46:04,683 --> 00:46:05,934
What can you do about that?
652
00:46:08,645 --> 00:46:09,980
You know, I'm a great friend.
653
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,315
I'm a real loyal friend.
654
00:46:13,191 --> 00:46:15,235
But I'm a great enemy too.
655
00:46:19,322 --> 00:46:21,992
Do you think your
story with Carlos is over?
656
00:46:23,952 --> 00:46:24,953
No.
657
00:46:26,830 --> 00:46:28,164
It's far from over.
658
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:42,896
It's amazing how they came up with them.
659
00:46:43,096 --> 00:46:44,731
People would just send them to us.
660
00:46:44,931 --> 00:46:47,183
This one is good. It's funny.
661
00:46:49,644 --> 00:46:50,779
And I like this one.
662
00:46:50,979 --> 00:46:54,658
Like, he's happy and
the Japanese... frowning.
663
00:46:54,858 --> 00:46:58,236
And that's a l...
And then the cedars of Lebanon.
664
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:01,289
And then this one was made after
the explosion, saying,
665
00:47:01,489 --> 00:47:03,325
"I should have stayed in Japan."
666
00:47:03,992 --> 00:47:09,164
And he has dollars stacked in his...
underwear.
667
00:47:10,832 --> 00:47:13,627
What a story.
668
00:47:15,462 --> 00:47:21,218
The thing to remember is,
Carlos Ghosn, he's trapped in Lebanon.
669
00:47:21,885 --> 00:47:24,012
He can't get out.
670
00:47:25,972 --> 00:47:27,098
Don't be fooled.
671
00:47:27,724 --> 00:47:33,772
The man now finds himself
in a large prison known as Lebanon.
672
00:47:35,232 --> 00:47:39,077
The most evil thing they did
was to destroy his reputation.
673
00:47:39,277 --> 00:47:41,404
Something he's built for so long.
674
00:47:45,242 --> 00:47:51,206
What remains is this deep feeling
of injustice and unfairness.
675
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:54,292
Fighting for my reputation.
676
00:47:55,669 --> 00:47:57,504
Frankly, with everything I've done,
677
00:47:58,338 --> 00:48:01,841
wi-wi-with everything I've built,
that's what's gonna remain?
678
00:48:04,469 --> 00:48:09,349
There is, something
very evil in the... in what happened.
679
00:48:12,185 --> 00:48:16,656
It just seems rich
for a man like Carlos Ghosn to get up
680
00:48:16,856 --> 00:48:19,659
and play the victim when...
681
00:48:19,859 --> 00:48:23,372
so many people around him,
by virtue of his actions and decisions,
682
00:48:23,572 --> 00:48:27,409
have been hurt by... by that.
683
00:48:29,786 --> 00:48:33,373
At the end of the day,
Carlos Ghosn's 40-year career
684
00:48:34,249 --> 00:48:40,881
has turned into a parable
of the dangers of hubris and greed,
685
00:48:41,965 --> 00:48:47,396
that a man could throw away
all that good work in a night
686
00:48:47,596 --> 00:48:50,307
because he didn't think
he was paid enough.
687
00:48:54,185 --> 00:48:59,024
Unfortunately for me, the scenario
is so fake,
688
00:49:00,108 --> 00:49:03,987
so fabricated, so unfair.
689
00:49:05,196 --> 00:49:06,656
This cannot end up like this.
690
00:49:13,747 --> 00:49:15,173
Carlos Ghosn is the target
691
00:49:15,373 --> 00:49:16,733
of an international arrest warrant
692
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:19,461
by the French Justice system.
693
00:49:21,171 --> 00:49:22,214
Merci.
694
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:25,934
The former CEO of Renault-Nissan
has been taking refuge in Lebanon
695
00:49:26,134 --> 00:49:29,387
since his incredible escape from Japan.
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