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A website for cheaters gets hacked.
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This hack is one of the largest
data breaches in the world.
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Private data is leaked online.
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My secrets, which are stored
on somebody's server somewhere,
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there's a real chance that
they might become public,
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and that might have real
consequences upon my life.
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But what motivated the hackers?
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Who would hack into a company
and do a data leak of this
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magnitude because they feel that
they're ripping a customer off?
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And who's vows were broken?
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They figured out that there were
70,000 fembots on this site,
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and they were the women that
were doing most of the chatter.
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♪
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It was a company that embraced controversy
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from the very beginning.
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For years, Toronto-basedAvid Life Media was best known
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for its dating website, Ashley Madison.
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The site was promoted as a place for married people
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looking for casual hook-ups with other married people.
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Ashley Madison became reallywell known for its scandalous
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services, but also for its provocative ads,
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like this ridiculous examplewith an unforgettable jingle.
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♪ Looking for someone
other than my wife ♪
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♪ Other than my wife ♪
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♪ Ashley Madison's right ♪
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♪ I'm looking for someone
other than my wife ♪
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♪ Other than my wife ♪
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♪ Ashley Madison is right ♪
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But in the summer of 2015, Ashley Madison,
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a site built entirely on theprinciple of cheating covertly,
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was hacked and exposed.
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Everybody from the FBI andthe Canadian Feds got involved,
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even the local Toronto cops.
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On July 12th, when several
Avid Life Media employees
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arrived at work and
powered up their laptops,
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a threatening message
popped up on their screens
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which was accompanied by the
song "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC,
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which was playing.
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The company had been hacked by a mysterious group
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who called themselves the Impact Team.
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The hackers demanded that AvidLife Media shut down its sites
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right away and for good, or theywould release customer records,
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profiles with all the customers secret sexual fantasies,
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credit card transactions,real names, and company emails.
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At the time of the hack, Avid Life,
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the parent company of Ashley Madison,
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claimed millions of dollars in annual profits.
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On the surface, it's a totally
controversial company because
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it's designed to help people
break their marriage vows.
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But there's nothing
illegal about that.
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And it had 5 million
members at the time,
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it was supposedly
printing money.
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Tom Watson is an investigativereporter who profiled Avid Life
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for Canadian Business Magazine.
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That was back in 2010 when thecompany was trying to go public,
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which meant Avid Life Media needed to convince
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Canadian banks it was a solidinvestment for their customers.
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Financial markets,
investment bankers
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are not the moral compass
of society, right?
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(Laughing)
No.
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No one looks to them
to play that role.
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And being a business
journalist at the time,
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I wanted to look at it
strictly from the standpoint
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of what's an investment
banker supposed to do.
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But, also being a journalist,
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I decided I should learn a bit
more about the company.
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So I signed up, and one of
the first things I found
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was that not all women
on the site were there
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just to break wedding vows.
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Tom requested an interview with GMP,
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the lead bank preparing to back Avid Life.
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The bankers agreed to chat, and he went to their office
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on a Friday afternoon.
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And they sat down and their
key messages were pretty clear.
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"You know, Tom,
we're an investment bank.
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This is a banking
opportunity, clear cut.
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It's legal, you can make money.
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We're bringing it forward
to our clients."
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And so I said,
"Okay, that's great.
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That's what I
expected you to say.
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I just have one other question."
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And I read this posting that
I had found on Ashley Madison
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from an 18-year-old student
who basically said
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her mother's broke, her dad's
a deadbeat, never met him.
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She can't afford school, so if
you're the kind of guy who wants
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to help me pay my bills, I
can help you in other ways.
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And the posting was pretty clear
that it was in physical ways.
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It's not two people
breaking wedding vows.
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It's financial gain for
one, sex for the other.
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And blood drained from the
faces of the guys in the room.
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At that point they called
an end to the meeting.
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And I got a call Monday
morning, and they said
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that the deal was dead
from their point of view.
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Avid Life's lawyers denied the site was designed
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to promote prostitution.
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But the IPO attempts still fell through,
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and the company still wanted to go public.
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But at that point it was common knowledge that
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investing in Avid Life Media might be risky business.
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When the first IPO blew up,
it had 5 million members, and
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they were seen as a significant
investment opportunity, but...
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the brokers and deal-makers
were afraid of them.
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So how do you
tackle that problem?
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Probably the best way to try
again is to have more members.
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To be even more of a
good business case, right?
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The bigger the
investment opportunity,
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the less people are worried
about the risk, right?
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If you jump forward to
when they were hacked,
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they had something like
37 million members.
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In only a few years, Ashley Madison's membership
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skyrocketed, which in theory should draw in
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a new set of bankers to back an IPO.
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But how had Ashley Madison
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lured in so many new customers so quickly?
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- Chris, how you doing?
- Hi.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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Chris Russell is one of the people who signed up
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for the site, and it really didn't take long for him
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to become a more than dissatisfied customer.
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So out of all the dating
sites you could have picked,
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why'd you pick Ashley Madison?
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It was a curiosity thing
more then anything.
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I was separated at the time.
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I wasn't looking
for a relationship.
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Yeah, 'cause what
attracted you to their website?
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- Was it just the fact--
- It was their advertising.
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They made it sound like
it was this discreet,
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active community
of people, you know,
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meeting and hooking up
and looking for each other.
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And for a guy who's separated
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and looking for a
casual thing, it's...
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Right, you know.
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...it seems like the
right spot to look.
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So walk me through exactly what
it was like to sign up for it.
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It was basically free
to set up a profile.
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And then a couple days later,
even the next day I wanna say,
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I started getting emails that
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this girl checked
out your profile.
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She's interested
in you, or you know,
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you would get
different things,
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and the picture
would be blurred.
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And if you want to
talk to this person,
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you're gonna have to buy
these tokens or credit.
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So after a few days of that,
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I'm like, "Well,
this is kind of hot.
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Let me see what's
going on here."
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(Laughing)
Yeah.
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So I went ahead and put in
my credit card information,
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bought the tokens,
tried to talk to people,
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but never got
any response back.
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Did you have any
conversation with a real woman?
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Just once.
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Chris is now part of a class action suit that accuses
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Avid Life Media of fraudulent and deceitful actions.
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He's one of the few AshleyMadison users who was willing to
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put his name on the lawsuit andeven appear on camera for us.
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Just three months after he closed his account,
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Ashley Madison got hacked.
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The hackers demanded that the parent company
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shut down its sitesimmediately and permanently.
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That didn't happen, and a month later,
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the hackers released a messagewith the heading "Time's Up!"
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In that message, they claim to have,
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"...explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity
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of Avid Life Media and their members.
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Now everyone gets to see their data."
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Over the next 5 days, the hackers posted links
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to download the data in three batches.
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This hack is one of the largest
data breaches in the world,
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and is very unique on
it's own that it exposed
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tens of millions of people's
personal information.
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A third message was received
wherein the Impact Team
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taunts the CEO: "Hey Noel,
you can admit it's real now."
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In the summer of 2015, a group of hackers struck
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Avid Life Media, the parent company of Ashley Madison.
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After breaking into the databaseof the dating site for cheating
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spouses, the hackers dumped ahuge trove of embarrassing data.
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REPORTER: 37 million.
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That's how many email addresses hackers may have released
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that allegedly belong to Ashley Madison customers...
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(Shushing)
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♪ Ashley Madison ♪
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...the website that encourages customers
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to cheat on a spouse.
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VOICE: Life is short. Have an affair.
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BEN: Annalee Newitz is a journalist and author
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based in San Francisco.
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She couldn't wait to get her hands
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on the Ashley Madison data.
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Did that make you feel weird?
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You have all this
personal data?
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I feel very protective of it.
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Like I want to protect
those people, and I wanna only
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understand them as anonymous
blips and as patterns.
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I wanted to reveal
their behaviour only
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in this super anonymous way.
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- It's super sad.
- It is.
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You don't want anyone
to be hurt by this stuff.
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But Annalee's analysis of the data revealed something
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unexpected, and it wasn't about the people
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who signed up for the service.
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It was starting to look like most of the female members
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of Ashley Madison were the creations of programmers.
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In other words, they were essentially fembots.
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So initially I believed, based
on looking at the database,
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that there were basically
zero women on the site.
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And as the story evolved,
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and I got more data and
looked through it more,
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it turned out that
in fact there were some women.
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They had about 5% real women.
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But what became very interesting
was when I figured out that
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there were 70,000
fembots on the site,
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and they were the women that
were doing most of the chatter.
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Ashley Madison isn't thefirst site to use fake women.
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It's thought to be awidespread industry practice.
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US regulators took actionagainst another dating service
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for doing the same thing, and that company paid
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hundreds of thousands of dollars to settle the case.
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But the sheer epic size of Ashley Madison's bot army
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dwarfed anything seen before.
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So what were these
bots actually doing?
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So Ashley Madison
had this problem,
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which is that they had 95%
men on a heterosexual site
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for hooking up
with ladies, right?
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And so what they would do is
they would create fake profiles
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of women, and then they
had software code, bot code,
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that would bring
those profiles to life.
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And these bots would send
messages and emails to men
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who had signed up
but hadn't yet paid.
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And in order to read a message
from a woman on the site,
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you had to pay to
have a conversation
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with what turned out to be
just some PHP code saying,
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"Hey, wanna cyber?"
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That was one of the things
the bots would say.
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Said, "Hey, wanna cyber?"
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Yeah!
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They're pretty much
the simplest, dumbest bots
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you could possibly imagine.
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'Cause you couldn't have like
an actual scripted conversation
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with them, like,
"Hey, what's up?"
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You couldn't even really
have a conversation.
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I mean, you could
respond to them,
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and then you would have to
pay to see their response,
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and you would just
ultimately never get anything.
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And what we see in the
company emails is that
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the people running the
company knew very well that
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that was their business model,
and that the vast majority
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of their conversions
of unpaid customers
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to paying members
were as a result of a man
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either contacting a bot or
being contacted by a bot.
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Alright, so right now we
are in the MySQL database
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with all of the accounts of
all the people who signed up
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for Ashley Madison
starting in 2002.
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Right here, #10 - so
that's the 10th person
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to ever sign up - was a bot,
and that's Sensuous Kitten.
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And then their
second bot was "sexygal",
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and "honeybunch"
and "princess".
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And how are these bots
actually made though?
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Was it just somebody going
on a Google image search
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and snatching pictures of
ladies, or like what was it?
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So they hired a bunch of people
to go and actually harvest
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photos from inactive accounts
that had been created by women
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who joined any number of the
Avid Life Media properties.
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And they'd take those photos
and they'd put them into
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a new profile, pay women
to spend all day typing in
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fake information into
these profiles,
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and then that would
become part of their bot army.
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It sort of seemed to me
like the ultimate dystopia,
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because it's a bunch of
men in this community
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who are searching for women.
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The men are not allowed
to talk to each other,
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so all of the real humans in
the community are prevented from
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talking to each other and
are forced to talk to bots.
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And those bots are
mostly cobbled together
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out of the dead accounts
of real women.
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So it's kind of like a bunch of
men in cages talking to zombie
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robot women, and I can't think
of anything more sad then that.
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(Laughing)
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That's a really horrible
picture you've just weaved.
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(Laughing)
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It just made me so...
I was just like--
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Yeah, that might
just be the internet.
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BEN: In the summer of 2015, a mysterious group
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calling itself the Impact Team hacked Ashley Madison,
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dumping nearly 10GB ofsensitive and revealing data.
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Erik Cabetas is a hacker and security consultant
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based in New York.
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The day of the dump, he wentstraight to work on the data,
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looking for clues aboutthe identity of the hackers.
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I met him at a bar in Brooklyn.
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- Hey, how's it going?
- Hey, what's up?
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- Eric.
- Ben.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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Club Europa, yeah.
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Big red door.
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(Laughing)
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It's a really, like,
bright, clean-looking place
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to talk about Ashely Madison.
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Yeah, it's...
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So this place used to be
an Eastern European club...
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Nice.
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...where you would hear more
Polish than anything else.
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That's wicked.
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So we don't know how
advanced it was to initially
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get in there, but what they
did when they got in there
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was dump all the emails,
all the internal data,
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everything on the customers.
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And that was really
the big impact
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of the Ashley Madison hack.
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And who is the Impact Team?
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Is there any idea?
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Not me.
(Laughing)
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So, you know, that's
the big question.
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Everyone wants to know that.
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You, me, the police,
everyone wants to know that.
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All the data that they leaked
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were scrubbed and
cleaned of meta data.
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Everything that they released,
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they released on anonymous
networks, and everything
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was done through crowdsourced
seeding like BitTorrent.
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Nobody has found anything,
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any smoking gun, or even just
like a shadow of a fingerprint.
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In the wake of the news, reports surfaced that
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some Ashley Madison users
were US government employees,
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and even members
of the military.
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This led to speculation that
foreign governments could use
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the data to blackmail
or extort US officials.
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Florida state attorney Jeff Ashton was the only US
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government official to publiclyadmit he used Ashley Madison.
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I deeply regret my
affiliation with the site,
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which has caused a great amount
of stress and heartache
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to my wife and children.
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What do you think a
foreign intelligence agency
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could do with this?
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The intelligence community likes
to keep data like this private
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so that they can
exploit it themselves.
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But once it's out there in the
open source world, they tend to
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not use it as much because it's
not that private secret data
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that they can operationalize
and use their capabilities for.
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If you're a black hat hacker or
some criminal organization doing
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this for some financial gain,
what do you do with the data?
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Uh, you don't
release it publicly.
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(Laughing)
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So if they would have reached
out to each individual and said,
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"We will release all this data
and try to extort people
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en masse, all of the
customers of Ashley Madison,"
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that might have been
a little bit more of
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a black hat
financial motivation.
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So have you ever seen
anything like this before
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in terms of the
motivations behind it?
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If the stated motivation
is the actual motivation,
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if really a hacktivist
who wants to keep
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Western society chaste and good,
I've not seen something
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like this for that goal...
to this level ever.
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Well, then what do you make of
Impact Team saying they are
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pissed off about the fraud that
Ashley Madison has been up to?
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So that's very interesting,
because the initial motivation,
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or the two stated motivations,
one being kind of like this,
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"We don't like what you
are doing as a core concept,"
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and the other being,
"We don't like that
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you're making additional
money off of pretending
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to delete people's data."
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The service that they
were providing which was
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a "Full Delete" of all of
your personally identifiable
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information was not
actually happening.
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The information was still
retained in logs and backups
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and various other things.
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Who would hack into a company
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and do a data leak
of this magnitude
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because they feel that they're
ripping a customer off?
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So you look forward to the day
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you actually figure
out who it is?
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Um, I do and I don't, because...
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I mean, everyone
always gets caught.
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It'd be funny just to see
somebody not get caught.
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After Avid Life Media washacked, things took a dark turn.
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We'll probably never know for sure, but reports surfaced
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that several Ashley Madison users killed themselves
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over being exposed.
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A pastor in New Orleans specifically cited the hack
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in his suicide note.
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Avid Life's CEO Noel Biderman resigned.
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To this day, no one knows who Impact Team is,
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or if this is the outcome they even wanted.
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- Joseph.
- Ben.
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How you doing?
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Joseph Cox is a freelance reporter for Motherboard,
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VICE's tech and science site that covers cyber-security.
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He landed the only publishedinterview with the Impact Team,
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an email Q&A.
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The way it went about is
I contacted somebody
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I'd spoken to before, and I
had a feeling they would know
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how to get in touch
with Impact Team.
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I asked them for a
contact email address.
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I reached out to Impact Team,
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not really expecting
them to get back.
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They get back fairly quickly.
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They refuse to talk on
other encrypted channels,
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like instant
messaging or something.
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It all has to be
done by email.
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I fire off a few questions,
maybe a dozen or so.
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They then reply, and then
we just run the article
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00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:44,989
pretty straight after that.
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So what are the
motivations of these hackers?
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Well, they claim that
they hacked Ashley Madison
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to expose the website for
its fraudulent practices.
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The site was running something
called a Full Delete feature,
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where you pay a certain fee,
and then the site promises to
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obviously delete all
of your information,
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because of course it's
a quite sensitive site.
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They claim that
this wasn't happening,
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and they found evidence
of this in the data,
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and they released it to sort of
vindicate these customers.
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But it gets a bit hazy, because
then in conversations with me,
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they also describe
Avid Life Media,
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the company that owns Ashley
Madison, as feeding drug users,
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in the same way a drug dealer
might feed heroin addicts.
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Out of pure speculation, who
do you think these people are?
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I mean, all I can glean is
that they were experienced,
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they were obviously
highly motivated...
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they knew what they wanted,
and they went to pretty
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extreme lengths to get it
and to embarrass this company.
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You know, the one thing that
I find interesting about
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this particular case is
that if you look at a lot of
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the other major hacks, the
hackers keep popping up.
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What happened to Impact Team?
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I don't think anybody's
come across evidence
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that Impact Team
has struck again.
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In the interview, they said
that they might come back
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and hit other companies.
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As far as I know, and according
to public information,
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they haven't hit back.
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00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:17,748
Do you think that this hack
did a lot of damage?
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Like what was the end impact?
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00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:21,552
I think it was a watershed
moment or a wake-up call
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for ordinary people who might've
signed up to these services
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years ago, or they might
just use them fairly regularly.
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But they probably realized,
"Shit," you know,
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"My secrets which are just
stored on somebody's server
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somewhere, there's a real chance
that they might become public,
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and that might have real
consequences upon my life."
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I think it was a real
kick in the teeth
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for just ordinary people.
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But the company is
still... still operating,
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and months after the hack,
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Ashley Madison even claimed that
there were more customers now.
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00:20:53,186 --> 00:20:54,485
But considering all
the bullshit they had
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around bots and fake
user accounts, I mean,
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you should seriously take that
with a pinch of salt as well.
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(Laughing)
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Avid Life Media iscurrently being investigated
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by the US Federal Trade Commission,
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and still faces a class action lawsuit by former members.
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But Ashley Madison is trying torepair its rocky relationship
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with its customers despite its ongoing legal troubles.
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A year after the hack, Avid Lifeannounced it were rebranding
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with a new name, Ruby,
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and a new set ofcommercials for Ashley Madison.
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♪
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♪ Are you reading? ♪
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♪ Did you choose? ♪
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00:21:35,895 --> 00:21:40,030
♪ Can you see into the future? ♪
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00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:42,199
♪ Are you listening? ♪
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00:21:42,235 --> 00:21:44,535
♪ Are you scared? ♪
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♪ Will you know it
when you see it? ♪
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The company denied all ourrequests to talk about the hack.
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And after the relaunch wereached out again for a comment,
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but they declined.
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00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:02,686
I guess they're just trying to move on, but Ruby's new CEO
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has made one thing public: no more fembots.
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