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I mean, I know millions of people won't like
what we do.
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No question of that.
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I put a lot of work into what I'm doing, and
if people don't appreciate it, there's
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nothing I can do about it.
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I'm trying to make a living doing this and
remain true to what I believed in from the
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beginning. And mission accomplished.
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The golden takin Gatling gun signaling
non-linearized.
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The nature of the band.
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Smash.
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Oo oo oo oo oo.
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What the Melvins have meant to music.
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I've always joked that there should be a.
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Royalty based on influence.
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The fact that they get to be the Melvins and
do what they want to do and pay their bills
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off of it is very rare.
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It's just they just have a real strong
discipline.
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You know how they do stuff.
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They're fearless, you know, They're just do
whatever the fuck they want to at any point.
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And if the people are want to follow along,
great.
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If not, whatever, you know, they just don't
care.
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Thing I like about those dudes is they don't
follow trends, man.
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They set them.
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Melvins. Do they have a peer who's their
peer?
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You know, kind of don't have one.
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If you're a little too ahead of your time,
you don't get the credit until it's due.
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It's like a kind of Captain Beefheart
syndrome.
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Hey, the Melvins are the Andy Kaufman of
heavy music.
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Anyone back? Are you back there?
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They have great ideas and they're willing to,
you know, kind of anything goes.
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And I think that's real neat.
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It really comes from Buzz and Dale.
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I mean, they've had several bass players, as
we know, but it still sounds like the
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Melvins.
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The buzzing Dale thing, It's like they're
like Cheech and Chong, you know, like Batman
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and Robin. They're an amazing team.
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And I just think there's a perfect chemistry
there between those two characters.
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There's some humor involved there.
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They don't take themselves that seriously,
but they're very confident in who they are
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and what they do. They're not weird guys at
all.
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They're their normal, red blooded, good,
honest, hard working people.
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You're like a force of nature.
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Not even a band. It's a force of nature.
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I heard of them. It was a stupid name.
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I was in a band called the Butthole Surfers,
so I had no right to say anything.
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At the end of the day, if you don't have a
large vocabulary, you can resort to this.
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The Melvins are cool.
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Why learn how to write something in four over
four and stick to that?
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I mean, if you're if you're just hearing
something naturally in a different phrasing,
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you know, it's going to it's unique
immediately.
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I didn't have a clue what heavy was until I
actually heard that band.
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And I love Eddie Van Halen's guitar tone.
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I think it's amazing.
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But Buzz Osborne is way better.
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Yeah, he's got some.
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Totally different style.
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Yeah, that sounds awesome.
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Perfect combination or collision of Black
Flag.
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I really liked and Black Sabbath, who I also
really liked Loud.
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Tension. Electrifying.
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Wins every time, no matter what.
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If I go to the bathroom five times before
they start.
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By the third Way, halfway in, I have to pee
so bad because I get so excited a little in
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The man in the boat's going drowning.
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Maybe in 100 years all bands will sound like
the Melvins.
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You want a heavy rock band?
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Here we go, man.
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You know.
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You know, try it on for size.
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I have my own ideas about how things work.
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I believe in everything we do.
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A lot of musicians are playing checkers.
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That mother fucker is always playing chess.
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First time you can't get lucky sitting on
your ass, you know?
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That's like there's this saying in golf.
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The more I practice, the luckier I get.
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You know, it's like, that's right.
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You know? I agree with that wholeheartedly.
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Certainly musically, you know, the more I
practice, the luckier I get.
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The fact that they're still doing it speaks
volumes.
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And there's been a consistency to what
they've done.
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They've never, you know.
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They've changed lineups a million times.
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But there it's always.
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Got a quality to it.
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The workers, they've got that ethic.
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They're always working and always creating,
and that's why I really respect them.
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Melvins are a good model for anybody, any
young musician that wants to get into it and
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try to stay in it and survive.
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I think looking to the Melvins is a great
thing.
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It shows how it can be done successfully and
realistically and healthily and, you know,
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come out unscathed at the other end.
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The freedom that they kind of let you know
that you have as an artist, even on a label
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or whatever. Just it's your it's everything
you're doing is yours to do what you will
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with it. And as far as your art project goes
with your friends, you know.
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When you're first starting out struggling to
figure out what we were going to do, I was
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pretty sure about the music.
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Oddly enough, like most great dictators did,
right?
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They came from like some border zone, you
know, where they were like, nothing and
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outcast.
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I really don't care about that place.
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It's just. It just drives me crazy even
thinking about it, you know, like.
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And, you know, so the idea that we were able
to put together avant garde, weird band out
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of their.
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I just started playing the drums.
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I'd probably been playing for a couple of
months.
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And my friend Keith Folk was a good friend
of Buzz's at the time, and he knew that Buzz
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was learning to play guitar, so he kind of
brought us together.
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I met Dillard and probably grade school.
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Yeah, it would have been grade school.
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Somebody had said at school, you know, Hey,
Matt, Matt, Matt has a guitar, he knows how
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to play guitar. So it was like.
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We called him up, Mike.
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Dillard's. His his parents had this little
had a garage and there's like this little
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room up there.
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This is where the Melvins were born.
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In this room right here.
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Can't remember what we were playing.
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I think it was just fun to put a few chords
together in some kind of semblance of a song.
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1983 when I met Buzz.
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And Mike and Matt worked at a Taco Bell.
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And he'd come in for food.
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Well.
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At that time. I was.
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Severely influenced by things like punk
rock, but also was really into things like.
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Aerosmith. Um, uh, you know, Judas Priest, a
lot.
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Of punk rock stuff.
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It certainly came from from Creem magazine.
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You know, I knew.
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About a bunch of that.
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Stuff because we all bought it because Kiss
was always on the cover, you know?
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And so that's how we learned about bands
like Sex Pistols and Ramones and Stooges,
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Riff Rock.
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Black Flag, a lot more so than Black Sabbath.
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That's one friend of mine had the damaged
record, and since I was joining a punk rock
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band, he he's like, Here, you should have
this record and gave it to me.
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And I remember putting it on and just, you
know.
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Not hearing anything like that before.
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You know, it was like somebody turned on the
blender, you know, production wise, it was
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much different than than any of those other
any of the other heavy metal records.
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You know, it's much trashier sounding and
intense, you know, But hearing something that
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different from the first time, it was just
like, Wow, this is really weird.
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But just like made some records like let me
generic Flipper and black Flag and I really
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liked it.
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They could listen to Flipper and void and
then and then put on a Neil Young record.
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No problem.
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You know, the big question in my mind, and I
don't know if the masses know it.
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Where did the Melvins come from?
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Who was Melvin.
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O. Mr. Melvin.
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Pete Lowman. Yeah, I did.
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Not know until somebody told me.
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Well, they started up a group and they
called them themselves.
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The Melvins.
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Yeah, he was the. He was the manager of the
store, basically the boss of all all of his
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punk kids.
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The only reason they did that, I guess, was
because of the fact I was constantly getting
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after them.
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P Yeah, thanks fucking P.
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The Melvins.
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They could have gone for some heavier, cooler
sounding name or whatever, you know?
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But they just know we're Melvins.
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What a stupid fucking name for the world's
heaviest band.
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The Melvins just wanted a stupid looking
sounding name for a bunch of stupid looking
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guys. That didn't sound like Venom.
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Oh, before the Melvins, we had a lot of
names.
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The nerve being one of them, I remember.
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And oh, and the remainders with an A, but
the circle around anarchy A that would be a.
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Name for a couple of days.
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I'd be like, Nah, that's not going to be it.
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That's not going to be it.
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Nothing. It was serious.
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We just stuck with the Melvins because I
think we played a show or two as the Melvins,
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so now we're stuck with it.
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I mean, even to call us like a real band by
any stretch of the imagination it'd be.
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It's pretty.
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It's really being generous.
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I didn't even know at the time until somebody
had told me that they were in a singing
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group.
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Don't worry.
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I won't.
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Never. I know a man by.
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They pulled all kinds of stupid shit.
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We just throw the gear in the back of the
van and drive up somewhere, plug in and start
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jamming.
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Play anywhere we could.
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Yeah. And then we played in Olympia was the
very first show we ever played, and that was
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in the very first real show.
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The Melvins were kind of a big deal there.
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They're from Aberdeen, but they played
Seattle a lot.
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And if we weren't playing a show with
Seattle, we were driving up there to go to
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some other show almost every weekend, you
know, just to get the hell out of Grays
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Harbor. It was just it was it was just like.
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We to get out of here and go go someplace
where there was actually some.
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Told you. I didn't know for a while that
they actually had a band.
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You know, they weren't like, we have a band.
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And, you know, they they didn't even play
the the cocktails as far as I know.
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I don't remember. I don't remember seeing
them after that.
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Probably later in 84, I was like, Holy shit,
their band is really good.
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My last show with the Melvins was at a place
called The Gray Door in Seattle, and it was
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just it was this shithole club in down in
the basement of this building.
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Dillard is married to the woman that he was
going out with when I met him.
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Great to know.
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He lives in a house. That's how far from the
house you grew up in.
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Not a mile and a half.
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Three kids, union machinist job.
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It's a different down a different path than
did, you know.
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I mean, even if we even if we hadn't done
that, I would not have stayed there.
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And the chances are he wouldn't have left.
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Had a lot of other stuff on my plate.
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I wasn't I wasn't my head wasn't in it.
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I wasn't I probably wasn't putting forth the
effort.
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You're looking for a different drummer.
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After Dillard, we were looking for a drummer
that could play heavy metal stuff.
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That's what we wanted. Yeah.
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Essentially I wanted somebody to play like
an Iron Maiden.
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Somebody like that, you know?
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Certainly Clive Burr from Iron Maiden was was
a big influence.
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You know, right before I joined the Melvins,
I was listening to that stuff a lot.
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I was more or less a heavy metal drummer
getting into a punk rock.
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And you guys had actually seen me play
before?
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Yeah, I saw him playing some horrible cover
band.
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Unspeakably bad.
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He was in some really, really lame band that
played after us, and I think I remember him
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telling us that a bunch of times that like
everyone else in his band, like, hated us and
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like, What the fuck are these?
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Comparison. Let's do it here.
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Just like. I think they're kind of cool,
actually.
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Some of the members of the band he was in
were spandex and played covers of Foreigner
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and REO Speedwagon.
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Definitely the appeal was that these guys are
playing gigs out of town and they weren't
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playing high school dances. They're playing
places like Olympia and Seattle and they had
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their own songs. That was the thing right
there.
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I mean, Krist Novoselic brought you guys
over to my house.
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Oh, Chris Novoselic.
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Taco Bell, Employee of the month, I think.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I was hanging out with.
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Buzz. And he's like, Well, I need a do you
know any drummers?
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I'm like, I know two drummers.
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Um. Dale Crover and Aaron Burkhart.
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The day that they came over, before they came
over to my house, my mom was saying, you got
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to get in a band that's going to do
something.
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Melvins came and asked him to join them.
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And so he did, you know.
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Play gigs and stop messing around with these
other guys.
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Chris brought them over and yeah, there you
were.
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Yeah. In the band.
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Later on she goes, I didn't mean you had to
do it today.
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You could play drums, you know?
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I mean, sometimes that doesn't make much
difference.
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I mean, if you've got some, you know,
chowder head guy, I mean, it doesn't matter
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how good they are, you can't stand to be
around them.
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I saw him in, like, a shed big barn somewhere
outside the city.
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And I don't know where it was, but it was.
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They really stuck with me and I thought they
were amazing.
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And then Deep six record, make it a.
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Compilation, you know, bring some of our some
other bands who were kind of into onto that
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He goes, Yeah, that'd be great.
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Yeah we should get like malfunction on it.
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The U-men. He goes, Yeah, I was thinking of
the Melvins and and he goes, that those five
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bands, I think they might have some interest
in doing five bands.
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So we just run it out to six, three bands on
each side.
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They were bringing in bands for weekend
little sessions, you know, a couple of hours
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you'd be in and out. You didn't see any
other bands or anything, and then the record
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came out and so we were given our copies and
went home to play it, and they just blew me
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away on that record because I thought we
were going to like kind of be a little
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heavier than anyone else on the record, and
that would be good for the band.
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It's the first time we'd been on a record
and this might be a good step for us.
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And then the Melvins crushed us.
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No one gave a shit.
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Play some CCR.
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That's all they wanted to hear.
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They're all dressed up. Like in Star Trek
films.
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Know he took a different color shirt and
started playing and we were just kind of
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standing there with our mouths open and it
sounded great.
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It was really loud, but the sound was
amazing and it was so kind of it was so aggro
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that. Anyone that didn't completely get it,
love it left.
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And so all of a sudden you're like three
songs into it, our mouths agape.
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We kind of looked around and there was about
a two thirds less people in the room.
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But that's how it was early on.
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You know, people stayed at the band like us
at all.
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And we thought.
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Awesome. That's amazing.
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Kind of ice is cleared out, except for me
and about six people.
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So I knew they were on to something because
I was like, this is this is the future of
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music.
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It is very sophisticated music.
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And so it was like deep and then it was
really heavy.
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And and it was, it was tight.
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And that had a big influence on Nirvana when
we started to play.
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Right before they recorded the record.
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I saw them play a bunch of times and they
played.
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They played the album kind of front to back.
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That to me is when the whole scene finally
came together.
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That set that you guys did.
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That's when.
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Everybody just went.
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Now we have some.
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Wow.
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You guys were the band that showed.
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Boom! We have something.
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That solidified how great they.
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Were. After that, there was sort of a staple,
in a sense, kind of looked up to them like
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there was there were only a couple bands at
that point.
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When those guys started doing the slow
plodding thing.
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No one was fucking doing that.
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Not even fucking close.
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I think we played.
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With Clown Alley.
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And 85 at this warehouse.
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A guy that we met at that show was Victor.
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Victor Hayden, who.
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Was this older guy, kind of artist guy
hanging around.
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And he liked the band.
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Anyway, he after.
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Not long after that, decided that he was
going to start a record label and got Ahold
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of us. And one of his partners was actually
Mark Deutrom from Clown Alley.
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Yeah. I remember when my time in the band
came to an end.
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It was right after we recorded that.
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First album, the Gluey Porch Treatments.
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Certainly Buzz.
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And Matt were growing apart.
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As far as writing songs.
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Yeah, no, I didn't have a lot of input but
seemed to have a handle on it and.
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I knew what he wanted and I'm like, I don't
know what he wants.
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I'll just play what he shows me to play.
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Right before we recorded it, he was just not
having an easy go.
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With what we were doing. But then Matt
Lowrie, who was playing bass in a band called
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Clown Alley.
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And they started hanging out.
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And next thing I know, Buzz wanted to move
to San Francisco.
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So Buzz was starting to date.
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Lori and he was starting to go down to San
Francisco a lot more and hang out there and
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pretty much decided that.
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People are like, I'm getting out of the music
business.
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I'm just moving down there to be with
Laurie.
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I'm not playing music anymore, blah, blah,
blah.
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I'm like, okay, whatever.
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There's a lot of little personal issues about
him that I just couldn't deal with.
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I think I told him like, well, I don't really
have.
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Any reason to stick around here.
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And I think that.
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He thought that the move to San Francisco and
started giving.
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I was like, Why?
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So they move on down there and then lo and
behold, within a month they're already
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playing shows, the Melvins, Dale living down
there in their house.
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And I was like, Well, that's kind of the
opposite of what Buzz told me.
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They got kind of talked him into like, well.
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It's two of us. Why do we need to change the
name Melvins?
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Break up. That we hear a little bit later
that, well, Dale and Buzz moved to San
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Francisco. Why there?
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What are they going to do music anymore?
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Apparently, yes.
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What are they going to call it?
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The Melvins.
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I trying to think? When Buzz moved, he
probably moved down fall of 87 and then I
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moved right at the beginning of 88.
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He was moving to San Francisco.
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He was supposed to pack up his stuff so that
it wasn't all of the bedroom, and instead he
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went off and recorded with Kurt.
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November, December of 87.
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I started playing with Nirvana guys.
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And we went up to Reciprocal.
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With Jack Endino.
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It was myself and Dale.
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Concur. And then Jack and we recorded that
this demo.
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They'd asked me to join, but I'm like.
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Well, I think I'm going to move to San
Francisco.
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Dale was destined to be a Melvin.
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And we knew that.
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Kurt was Kurt was actually the last guy.
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Last friend in Aberdeen.
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That I think. Was really my friend.
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You know who? He was there when I left.
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But at that point, we really didn't have much
of an audience.
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We we couldn't get a show in San Francisco.
378
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We shouldn't have couldn't get one in LA,
you know, not for a long time after that.
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But yeah, even even in San Francisco, I mean,
we basically were starting over.
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He started completely from scratch.
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For years they played and people.
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Didn't really show up.
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And eventually they just they just made
themselves a crowd because they were so
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fucking good. When I got to the Bay Area, I.
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Got to re-education.
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And the Melvins was probably the.
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First part of that re-education.
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Well, it wasn't so much that they played
slow, it was how they played it, you know.
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Because it was slow.
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But there was so much action.
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They were into tone.
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You could tell. And it was like it was part
of the whole thing.
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And God just made it different and unique.
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Get crushed. My childhood, you know?
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It made my guitar tone do this.
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Like, you know, it was inspiring.
397
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I think they introduced a lot of different
bands like this is exactly how powerful you
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can make music with just a three piece.
399
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Was it weird to have Shirley Temple's
daughter in our band?
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That's really weird.
401
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It would have been weirder that Shirley
Temple in the band as well.
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Like.
403
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You know, I thought they were great.
404
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And, you know, I was like, Well, what do you
think about playing with her?
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I'm like, Sure, let's give it a shot.
406
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You know.
407
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We.
408
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Had been in San Francisco for a while and we
were starting to get gigs.
409
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We played this place called Covered Wagon in
San Francisco a lot.
410
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I saw them live in San Francisco and, you
know, they were great.
411
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And we were looking for a label.
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We'd been looking for a while.
413
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We sent we sent packages to a bunch of
different places.
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We covered wagons and was just.
415
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We talk about doing a record.
416
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I remember he showed up to the gig.
417
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You might be interested in signing that band.
418
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He's like.
419
00:26:07,270 --> 00:26:09,610
Well, yeah, I'm going to see you guys first.
420
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But typical.
421
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Tommy's not. He never seems really excited
about something, you know?
422
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So it was kind of hard to read at first.
423
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Maybe he's not interested.
424
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And then after he saw his head, he's like.
425
00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:23,700
Yeah, then I can do it.
426
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Okay, great.
427
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,550
And they wanted to have enough.
428
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Money to record it in a nice studio and.
429
00:26:31,450 --> 00:26:32,980
And that's how we did Ozma.
430
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:42,190
I would say it's just like that's to me,
that's one of the perfect records in the
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world. And that's I put that up there with.
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Back in black or static Volume four.
433
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That's we're on Boehner and selling a little
bit of records He paid us and paid us fair
434
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and and with that and then touring right
around the time of of like.
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Especially Bullhead.
436
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That's when things really started to kick
in.
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You know, it was also when all the other
Seattle stuff was starting to take off, but
438
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we were able to.
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Tour and make enough money off of records
that we were able to quit our jobs.
440
00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:34,530
First tour. She couldn't do it because she
had some health issues.
441
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And so that's when we asked Tom if he wanted
to do it.
442
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He said, Sure. And I think we had him learn
our set.
443
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We practiced three times and played a show.
444
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He was really good.
445
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:50,510
I mean, he was already familiar with them
with the music since he put out our records.
446
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But he was he was he's one of those guys
that could just pick stuff.
447
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:56,700
Quickly before I went on the.
448
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First tour with them, I think they had
already.
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Recorded. Oh.
450
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,510
I knew we were playing those songs.
451
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:15,770
Bullhead was great with Boris.
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That song Boris that was another song.
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I was like, Whoa, this is like there's just
stretching it, making it slower and heavier.
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And no one was really doing that, that those
days.
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Not with like a punk influence, you know
what I mean?
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There's like, maybe there was like Saint
Vitus and Pentagram and Trouble and the
457
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Obsessed and and those bands were awesome,
but they all kind of had this sort of metal
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thing happening.
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Following the mokuren to Bullhead.
460
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My. Bokurano. Random Balsis.
461
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You did a couple of tours with us.
462
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He did that one.
463
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:09,010
And then I think Lori was back in and we did
a we did a tour of our first European tour.
464
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,470
Pretty soon after that, they started working
on.
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As with Lori.
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We wanted it to come out.
467
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,340
We wanted to call eggnog and have a whole
Christmas themed party.
468
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We wanted it to be released.
469
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It's going to turn out an honor.
470
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,770
God, By the time we got released, it was
more like September or something, so.
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This really is.
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The first one I remember really grabbing me.
473
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:42,230
Was a eggnog, and I remember thinking that it
seemed more.
474
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:43,430
Metal than I was used to.
475
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:44,810
Listening to, which is a weird thing in
retrospect.
476
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:48,560
I remember liking it a lot, especially those
high.
477
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:51,600
Vocals that Buzz does on that record are
pretty great.
478
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160
And I remember, in fact, I remember going to
a Kaos rehearsal and saying, Wow, you should
479
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,630
hear that new Melvyn's It's pretty cool.
480
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:58,940
And that's the person I remember really
hitting me the.
481
00:29:58,940 --> 00:30:00,800
Way in a way that I understood.
482
00:30:01,070 --> 00:30:02,300
We knew Joe.
483
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:05,030
Through trying to think how we knew him
exactly.
484
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:08,480
Probably through the Nirvana guys, probably
through Kurt.
485
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:10,700
When we were thinking of bass players, we
were just like.
486
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:13,120
What about him? You know, he might be good.
487
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:14,770
He knows our stuff really well.
488
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,910
He's a fan. And I think we actually called
the Nirvana guys to say, Hey, we're looking
489
00:30:21,910 --> 00:30:24,010
for Joe. We want him to we want him to join
our band.
490
00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:27,250
And they ran out and found him and told him
to call us.
491
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,930
Sometime in 92.
492
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,410
They started on the three solo EPS after Joe
joined.
493
00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:53,090
I think we'd already had the ideas to do solo
records by the time we got him in the band.
494
00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:57,900
And he was a bit confused by the solo record
thing.
495
00:30:59,270 --> 00:31:00,920
Just. I mean, it was a weird idea.
496
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,430
Well, the Melvins decided to do their solo
records, and it looked very similar to his
497
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:12,140
Kiss solo albums that came out that
everybody lambasted and which still went
498
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:13,280
platinum anyway.
499
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,220
It said something a lot about the band,
which is at the end of the day when you go to
500
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:20,240
your grave.
501
00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:22,680
Because we're all going to get our turn.
502
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:24,030
You can't do the.
503
00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:25,830
I wish I would've. Could've, should've.
504
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,410
They live life in the here and the now.
505
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:34,570
Joe. I remember him saying that he felt like
it was kind of like a homework assignment.
506
00:31:35,170 --> 00:31:37,000
And which I was.
507
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:41,500
I was I was kind of like, really, you know,
I'm really excited about this, you know, And
508
00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:44,170
you feel like it's more of a chore, but
fine.
509
00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:47,110
I mean, you know, he did his and his came
out good.
510
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:48,400
A lot of people really like his a lot.
511
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:55,460
So. And I think that that eventually led him
to realize that he could do it by himself,
512
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,940
you know, which is what he did after we
after we kicked him out of the band.
513
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:15,070
I basically was working at Razor's Edge and
they were sort of one of the bands that, you
514
00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:16,510
know, was a regular there.
515
00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:19,620
We went in and did the Night Goat image
there.
516
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,820
And Jonathan.
517
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
I can't remember what happened, but he
didn't show up.
518
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:30,800
And so that's when Billy Anderson was there
and he was the second engineer at Razor's
519
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,170
Edge. And and so we just since Jonathan
didn't show up, we worked with him.
520
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:40,380
I knew them from being around the studio
and, you know, seeing them live.
521
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:40,880
I worked at.
522
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,800
The Kennel Club at the time and they played
there a lot.
523
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,720
And. Um.
524
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:48,100
A super fan. Like I loved those guys.
525
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,160
And then I ended up recording all of the.
526
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,420
Vocals on Lysol.
527
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,580
Is well known.
528
00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:58,180
Warner LAX's the well known.
529
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,690
Sound of that record is huge, you know.
530
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,670
So that's like one of their biggest sounding
records.
531
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:13,820
And I know they didn't print titles for
that, but when I heard the titles for those
532
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:17,570
songs, I was like, It's like you guys are
cool because they're just hilarious.
533
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:21,340
Hung bunny. The Roman dog bird.
534
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,380
Was mentioned before the record Lysol.
535
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:23,860
That's a.
536
00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:25,030
That's a very important.
537
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:29,410
Record for me personally and for, you know,
influencing son.
538
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:34,090
And then the whole thing with Lysol, I guess
Lysol gave them a cease and desist or
539
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:36,070
threatened to sue them, the company Lysol.
540
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:40,210
And so they had to Boehner had to go back
and put like black stickers over where it
541
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:42,760
said Lysol, First time I heard.
542
00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:45,310
Melvins, Oh, this is the this is the Melvins
sound.
543
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,920
They're not trying to copy something that's
really great.
544
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,870
Like, I can't say that's true for me at all.
545
00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:51,520
When I first heard Nirvana, I was just like.
546
00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:55,020
Okay. That's not new.
547
00:33:56,250 --> 00:34:03,640
You know, when I came out here, you just
like immediately was very dismissive of any
548
00:34:04,270 --> 00:34:06,280
sort of post. Alvin.
549
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,030
Sammy. Of course, I can.
550
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:09,370
Barely enjoy Nirvana.
551
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:11,020
But first, Nirvana record.
552
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,910
Obviously very, very Deep Fluids by the
Melvins.
553
00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:28,600
Well, we certainly have created our own
cottage industry, that's for sure.
554
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,510
Entrepreneurs to create something out of
nothing, you know?
555
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:33,340
Essentially, I think that's what it is.
556
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,420
This relationship with Tom Hazelmyer is
perfect.
557
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:38,580
He's he's a brilliant.
558
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:40,830
Businessman and he likes doing what he's
doing.
559
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:41,700
And he.
560
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,370
You know.
561
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,250
They've given up on the music business model
because it doesn't work.
562
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:49,340
If it ever worked, it doesn't work now.
563
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:54,290
I got this idea that not everybody in the
world is going to be satisfied with an MP3.
564
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:59,600
I want something that, you know, they're
going to want something that's more tangible.
565
00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:02,930
I'm trying to do this thing with art meets
records.
566
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:06,620
I don't want to do a record label the way I
did it before, which was like trying to take
567
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:12,230
it on on an independent level and do exactly
what Indies do, get a distribution, try
568
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:13,480
promotions, blah, blah, blah.
569
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:16,970
It's like, I just want to make fucking art
and I want to make records because I love
570
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:18,320
both of those things.
571
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,270
And he was like, Fuck yeah, let's do it.
572
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:25,250
A lot of what we're doing is based on how the
vinyl toy industry works.
573
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:28,730
The collectible vinyl toy industry, which I
love, I love all that stuff.
574
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:33,300
We're only able to make 500 of these when
we've got three months to get the job done.
575
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,730
That's what we can handle.
576
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:39,560
That's what we can actually physically make
physically ship out and get done.
577
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,210
So that's what we're going to do.
578
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:43,500
Will your vinyl so expensive?
579
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:45,600
I'm not making it for people who can't afford
it.
580
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,780
You know, if you want the music, it's online
somewhere for free.
581
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:49,930
I'm sure you can find it.
582
00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:52,680
That's the most important thing, you know?
583
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:56,970
But you're always going to have somebody who
complains about something, and I just can't
584
00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:58,170
listen to that kind of stuff.
585
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:03,160
You know, I mean, the music industry is such
now that if you want something cool, you're
586
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,170
going to have to pay for it.
587
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:08,250
You know, if you're interested in the music,
you can probably get that for nothing.
588
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:12,210
There's never been a time in history when
that's been the case and now it is.
589
00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:19,110
It's easier now for people to hear any kind
of music they want to and they still bitch.
590
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:21,540
So it's like we're making stuff that's in the
moment.
591
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,420
You can only get this here if you were here,
you know you can't have everything.
592
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:28,500
Fuck you, kid.
593
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:31,280
You know, change or die like the dinosaur.
594
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,810
That's fine with me.
595
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:35,540
I'm up for the challenge, you know?
596
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Um, so you have to kind of think of new
things to do.
597
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:45,860
We are able to do 30 fucking things because
it's a small run.
598
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:48,570
It's done and we're moving on.
599
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:50,970
And that's the shit that keeps it fresh and
exciting.
600
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,610
As a musician or as somebody who produces
art or releases records, that's what I'm in
601
00:36:56,610 --> 00:36:58,050
it for. I like making shit.
602
00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:03,390
I don't want to make something and then
spend two years pimping that thing I made.
603
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:06,960
I want to make it sell out and move the fuck
on.
604
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:13,770
Just take it all the way back to square one
and go backwards to where, you know, we're
605
00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:15,660
hand making a lot of stuff and selling it.
606
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,460
At a higher price than you would normally
sell it and not selling it to any stores.
607
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:24,630
Art Edition. Small run thing for a tour with
Night court with Buzzi's idea.
608
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,520
You'd have to ask him. I don't.
609
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:28,050
I don't even know.
610
00:37:28,090 --> 00:37:30,610
It's like he said, like I want to redo night
court.
611
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:33,210
Sounds good to me.
612
00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:34,980
I'd love to redo the art.
613
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:37,210
You know the original artist, Harvey
Stafford.
614
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,160
I'm a fucking.
615
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,420
Artist. Great guy.
616
00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:41,380
Night, girls.
617
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:42,910
My favorite song of all time.
618
00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:44,230
And I like the single version.
619
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:46,030
Especially that weird machine.
620
00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:50,050
Whatever that is. This is up there with
fucking anything Black.
621
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:51,280
Sabbath ever did. Or.
622
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,160
Fuck that. This is up there with the fucking
Stones or Beatles.
623
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,260
You know, this is one of those moments where
you get goosebumps and you can feel it.
624
00:37:58,270 --> 00:37:59,350
You know that intro?
625
00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:02,790
You're like, What the fuck? You know, That
song was fucking monstrous.
626
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:04,510
And it was a just world.
627
00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:06,190
That would have been a top ten hit.
628
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:31,610
Listen that song a thousand times, but it
still had to have to call.
629
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,050
It's a fucking song about.
630
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:35,800
I mean, the way I listen to music, I don't
give a shit what they intended.
631
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:37,310
I just take it my own way.
632
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,050
So it's like, what was that about?
633
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:40,700
Not junkies. Heroin.
634
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,720
All right. I'm going to do art based on
junkies and heroin and goats.
635
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:46,440
Got.
636
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:10,230
Being able to. Redo a classic.
637
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:10,880
Sure.
638
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:12,560
Fucking. I'm all over.
639
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:12,860
It.
640
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:18,320
There's enough people out there who
appreciate this stuff on a small level, and
641
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,520
that's good enough.
642
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,250
You know, I'm very satisfied with that.
643
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:22,640
Could be more hands on.
644
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,350
It couldn't be more grassroots.
645
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:28,430
It's interesting, Buzz being married to
Mackey and.
646
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:32,400
The way that their sensibility became.
647
00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:40,680
More refined, graphically sophisticated, yet
still had that, um, sort of quirky sense of
648
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,760
humor to it.
649
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,190
The combination of the two of them is really
powerful.
650
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:52,830
And I had no idea until later that Mackey
designed that social distortion, the skeleton
651
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:54,390
with a martini glass.
652
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:59,250
I remember making a homemade stencil of that
back in the 80s I think.
653
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:03,210
Mackey What Mackey is doing is like this
very, like beautiful, sort of polished, kind
654
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:06,530
of like it's almost like fine art, you know?
655
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:07,740
And then it's like the Melvins.
656
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:12,840
So it kind of it kind of goes perfectly hand
in hand in a way, because you don't expect it
657
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,490
if you like. If you know the Melvins, then
you know that that's funny, kind of, you
658
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:18,690
know, And so.
659
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:23,770
You know, like a little cute dog on the
cover and stuff.
660
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:26,380
So I bought that book and it was really
awesome.
661
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:31,570
Like, you know, just just 20 years of the
Melvins, Art Mackey and all her art or
662
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:32,290
whatever.
663
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:33,130
That's a cool story.
664
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,370
Yeah, lots of cool stories and just great
live photos.
665
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,060
Her aesthetic for.
666
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:37,750
The Melvins is.
667
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:38,290
Dead on.
668
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:43,300
Also, like all the little weird special
packaging things they do, like reissue
669
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,840
something with like letter press covers or
silkscreen covers or whatever it is.
670
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:47,290
More hands.
671
00:40:47,290 --> 00:40:49,270
On. You can make stuff, the better it is.
672
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:52,060
Because in this in this Internet download
world, you know.
673
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,950
Don't you think that's how the CD covers all
come out, put these together and then I think
674
00:40:56,970 --> 00:41:02,350
they're totally one of a kind, you know,
really weird art, you know?
675
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,420
And then that's a normal one.
676
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:05,560
Then you still have to sit there and glue it
all.
677
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Turn it into a CD.
678
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:12,290
Cd package. It's pretty crazy.
679
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:15,560
Well, she got the print or the press first.
680
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:17,420
And we kind of went from there.
681
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:19,920
Once you decide to do that, I mean, I was
like, you're going to get a what?
682
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,850
You know, a giant printing press and figure
out how to do it all and basically remodel
683
00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:28,040
the whole thing. She did it all herself, you
know, And I was just like, okay, go ahead.
684
00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:33,840
Then we realized, you know, well, we can do
printing, you know, at our house and not have
685
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,280
to have, you know, ship it out to somebody
and just do it all hands on.
686
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:40,800
I mean, all this stuff has our fingerprints
on it, you know?
687
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:46,020
I mean, it's it's couldn't be more homespun,
you know, which I'm kind of into.
688
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:49,110
I mean, it's not it's not for millions of
people.
689
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,240
It's for a few people and for the few people
that really appreciate it.
690
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:56,350
It's very special.
691
00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:58,600
You know, for the people who don't care,
they never will care.
692
00:41:58,870 --> 00:42:01,390
People who care, it's a big deal, you know?
693
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:04,050
I don't want a big warehouse.
694
00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:07,400
I don't want to run a warehouse and have a
warehouse full of albums.
695
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,560
That's not me, you know?
696
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,810
I don't want to deal with record stores and
distributors.
697
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:13,450
I want to have that happen.
698
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:17,660
So you put things out on a wide variety and
a wide variety of ways on a small scale.
699
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:24,050
We also will end up putting most of it out
on ipecac in a regular way, you know, so you
700
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:25,370
can have it both ways.
701
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:29,810
You can and and people still pitch so, you
know, you can't win.
702
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:37,760
They're basically a DIY band, a well known
DIY band, but they do things whether it's
703
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,440
releasing records, just, you know,
everything they do is on their terms.
704
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,230
One of the reasons I first started stenciling
and screen printing on old wallpaper was
705
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:50,810
because of the Melvins bull head cover.
706
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:55,820
I would go and I would buy discontinued
rolls of wallpaper from this hardware store
707
00:42:55,820 --> 00:43:03,180
in Providence. It just had backstop $0.50 a
roll because it was all this really lame 70s,
708
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:07,230
kitschy fruit and stuff on, you know,
flowers and fruit.
709
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:11,940
And then I would do an Andre devil head over
it, something where the, you know, the
710
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:15,180
imagery I was putting on there totally
contradicted the background.
711
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,250
And that was really inspired by the Melvins.
712
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,260
One of the guys from Caroline told Tom Flynn
that you guys would sell a lot more records
713
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:24,080
if your record covers didn't look.
714
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,470
Like they do some fruity looking.
715
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,750
Some tablecloth fruit bowl for a record
cover.
716
00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:32,560
Give him.
717
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,800
A big speech about how we were screwing
everything up.
718
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:37,720
You know? Yeah, he's probably selling canoes
now or something.
719
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,760
You know, I think Buzz.
720
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:47,570
Is kind of a something, you know, like a
something of a fetishist about collecting
721
00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:50,240
things and about obsession, his own
obsessions.
722
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:55,280
And that's manifested through Melvins
output.
723
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:59,670
Well, it goes from our hands to the to the
people that buy them.
724
00:43:59,690 --> 00:44:00,980
That's it, you know.
725
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,470
So it's a but it's a lot of work.
726
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:05,660
Punk rock spoke to me in a much.
727
00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:08,510
More intimate way, and I like that more.
728
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:12,380
It's more hands on, which was transferred
into what we're doing now.
729
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:18,240
I mean, you know, I mean. You know, if
people want to argue with me about the price
730
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:23,740
of stuff, then it's time for me to raise the
price, not lower it, you know, because that
731
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,140
nothing pisses me off more than somebody
telling me what I'm doing wrong.
732
00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:27,720
You know.
733
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:29,090
As a label.
734
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,590
Look at musicians as my clients.
735
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:35,790
He's the best fucking client, you know, He
trusts me implicitly.
736
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:40,260
What I'm going to crank out or think of and
vice versa.
737
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,690
And I really respect their business model.
738
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:44,310
They've got a good thing going on.
739
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,650
And I think Melvins fans are really lucky.
740
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:59,000
Around that time think Nirvana had come out.
741
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,780
So it was a big. You know, all that madness
started.
742
00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:06,550
So it's obvious they could get a big deal
And.
743
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:08,730
The.
744
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:20,390
You're on the verge of signing with Atlantic
Records.
745
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:25,070
I knew if we signed that contract with him
on there, I would regret it.
746
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:28,760
Just being able to get along with somebody,
you know on tour is hard enough.
747
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,910
I mean, if you're in a bad mood, that puts
everybody else into a bad mood.
748
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,870
Um, and Joe was really moody.
749
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,770
So that was, that was the main thing, just
being able to get along with somebody.
750
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:43,060
It was just Buzz and myself on the deal.
751
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,850
So we played with Lori for a little bit.
752
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,900
The tour that we did with her in Europe that
time would have been.
753
00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:52,740
Lysol would have been out already, but we
did.
754
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:55,650
Ready? I'm trying to think when that was.
755
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,490
Nirvana blew it up for everybody, like they
blew the doors wide open as far as.
756
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,470
Bands, you know, that wouldn't have been
recognized.
757
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:32,020
And Kurt spoke openly about how awesome the
Melvins were, and.
758
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:33,970
They're about to just drop their album.
759
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:35,050
September of 91.
760
00:46:35,050 --> 00:46:36,100
I got my gig there.
761
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:37,840
And their album just came out.
762
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:40,090
Three months later. They were the biggest.
763
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:41,140
Thing in the world.
764
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:42,700
What was it like? Because the Stones and.
765
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,410
Led Zeppelin were there? Aretha Franklin.
766
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,100
Atlantic wasn't a destination, you know, a
lecture.
767
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:52,390
It was cool and Geffen was cool, but we
weren't cool.
768
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,710
Atlantic was not cool.
769
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,450
So when we signed the Melvins, we got pretty
cool for a minute, you know?
770
00:46:58,630 --> 00:47:00,130
I mean, really, when we got signed.
771
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,280
I think the only people that didn't think it
was going to work with me and Dale, you know,
772
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:04,420
we never had any ideas.
773
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:05,560
I never really had any ideas.
774
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,290
We were going to sell millions of records
with, you know.
775
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:09,070
No.
776
00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:14,260
Danny Goldberg always thought that the
Melvins would be our our Sonic Youth.
777
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:16,300
Sonic Youth got signed by Geffen Records.
778
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:22,590
And then. That allowed Cole and Nevada to
sign to the label because they felt good
779
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,320
about going to a label that already had
Sonic Youth on it.
780
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,690
We felt like the Melvins were going to be an
attraction band.
781
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,250
And to an extent they were.
782
00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:36,660
Mean, also told us basically we would go over
there and be Soundgarden Junior, you know.
783
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,760
And she didn't have much interest in.
784
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:44,740
Capital had the Butthole Surfers and, you
know, I mean, all kinds of bands were being
785
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:49,000
signed that never, ever would have been
signed, basically because Nirvana hit.
786
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:54,010
It was like throwing pasta at the wall,
boiled pasta and see if it sticks.
787
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:58,270
Basically said to us, You guys are an already
established band.
788
00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:59,560
We like what you do.
789
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,180
And we even went in there and played them
myself.
790
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:06,010
What do you think it is? This is what we're
putting out next before we sign into this
791
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:06,580
deal.
792
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,740
Okay, Sounds great.
793
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:15,780
They walked in to the show and the Melvins
were playing with their back to the audience.
794
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:24,030
And the crowd was going absolutely bananas,
hating them, hating them, calling them names,
795
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:25,230
throwing shit at the stage.
796
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:27,750
It was like out of a vaudeville show.
797
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,800
It was crazy.
798
00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:33,120
And then they just walked off the stage and
they knew I was coming to see them.
799
00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:39,420
And we went backstage and Buzz came up to
me, You still want to sign me?
800
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:41,670
Everybody was shocked.
801
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:45,090
And it was like, you know, pulling a rabbit
out of a hat.
802
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240
It was like a magic trick, which is why he
called the album Houdini.
803
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:50,820
It's like it's a magic trick.
804
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:58,170
We got signed to a major label and yeah,
Kurt agreed to produce it or, you know, put
805
00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:00,840
his name on it anyway, which definitely
helped.
806
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,180
We started recording Houdini at Razors.
807
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:07,760
Edge and did maybe 3.
808
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,080
Or 4 songs recorded and mixed.
809
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:14,030
The day that we were supposed to start, there
was a power outage in the entire
810
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:20,570
neighbourhood. And of course, you know, Kurt
and Buzz were hours late, but they showed up
811
00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:26,720
and we were, you know, me and Jonathan and I
think Dale were sitting in a dark room just
812
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,430
waiting for the power to come back on.
813
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:31,870
And the whole day was awash like everybody
had to go home.
814
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,440
I played bass, actually, because Laurie, by
then, Laurie was out of the picture after
815
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,770
Buzz got back from LA. Laurie Black was out
of the picture, and so there was no bass
816
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:44,330
player. Buzz played on some of it and I
played on tight and haghe.
817
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:52,720
Um. Uh, because I have been playing bass at
a couple of shows too, at the new music
818
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,090
seminar. I played bass at two live shows.
819
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:21,260
So it just made sense.
820
00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:26,300
And it was easier to just have somebody who
was around rather than teach somebody new, I
821
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:26,960
guess.
822
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:28,160
Everybody could play based on that.
823
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:30,650
Flea.
824
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:32,710
Flea play. Yeah.
825
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:36,160
Bootsy Collins.
826
00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:37,930
Yeah.
827
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:43,690
We brought in Garth Richardson, who was a
veteran of like, hair metal bands and stuff.
828
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:45,670
Atlantic suggested this guy Garth.
829
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,160
We liked him. I was really hesitant to work
with somebody like that.
830
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:55,030
He was a character like Buzz and him and Buzz
got along great.
831
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:56,650
He came in right at the end.
832
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:59,260
Laurie was out, Cobain was out.
833
00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:03,100
We only needed like 3 or 4 more songs to
finish the record.
834
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,650
And so it was like the last recording
session.
835
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,610
And we picked this studio in San Francisco,
bigger studio, and Garth was great.
836
00:51:12,610 --> 00:51:17,860
He came in and brought like a whole PA
system, and his philosophy of recording was,
837
00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:21,460
We're going to make it like you guys play
live.
838
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:23,650
You know, you'll be more comfortable that
way.
839
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,200
We're going to have a big PA system in here.
840
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,130
We'll mike the drums, we'll mic the bass,
mic the guitars and then Mike the PA that
841
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:31,960
way. And then you won't have to wear a
headphones.
842
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:36,370
You can have wedges behind you to record and
it'll be great.
843
00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:37,690
And that was, that was awesome.
844
00:51:37,690 --> 00:51:42,340
You know, he wasn't worried about things
bleeding or having everything isolated and
845
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:43,420
having it perfect.
846
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:45,730
I mean, you know, rock n roll records.
847
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:50,510
Time is a big one.
848
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,700
And the football.
849
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,080
Me They could have watered their music down
for Atlantic and made a real run at making
850
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,920
just a normal, you know, commercial hard
rock record.
851
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,910
But those records, those three records they
did for Atlantic are three of my favorites.
852
00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:15,550
They're they'll they're Melvins records.
853
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,110
I mean, they're true to to who they are and
what they are.
854
00:52:20,290 --> 00:52:25,510
Houdini had only been out for less way less
than a year when we're like, we want to go in
855
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:27,130
the studio and record right away again.
856
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,960
And. That.
857
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,330
And we wanted to do it with Garth.
858
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,640
Which is the first time we actually played
with somebody in the band who contributed
859
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:39,190
something musically to the band.
860
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:44,180
Before that, when Joe was in the band, Mark
was doing sound for us and.
861
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,710
I mean, we've always had people in the band
that we've known and friends of ours and,
862
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,340
and, you know, we just decided like, Oh.
863
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:58,860
He's been on tour with us and and knows the
band well, has produced our records, so.
864
00:52:59,710 --> 00:53:02,530
We thought that he might be a good person to
play bass.
865
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:15,130
Mark is very self-assured.
866
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:19,770
That's I think that's the one thing that
comes across the strongest with Mark is he's
867
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:26,490
very. Some might call it cocky, some might
call it self-assured, but he definitely knows
868
00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:27,930
what he likes or what he wants.
869
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,950
I always thought Mark was a talented guy and
he never had anybody quite like him before,
870
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:34,290
but he also played guitar.
871
00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:36,390
Mark Definitely, you know.
872
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:44,630
Did more. Fills and and played you know, a
lot of counterparts and more accompanying
873
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:47,210
parts and not necessarily the same thing.
874
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:49,340
So that was cool.
875
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:50,510
That was definitely cool.
876
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:17,250
Yeah, Mark actually had some songs.
877
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:19,950
I mean, he was a songwriter in Clown Alley,
so it makes sense.
878
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:23,960
We just let him do whatever he wanted, Always
wanted to let people do whatever they wanted.
879
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:41,300
And Garth hooked it up to where we could go
to A&M Studios and record on their kind of
880
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,600
downtime. And his second engineer was Joe
Breezy.
881
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:51,140
It encouraged, encouraged creativity, which I
mean, that's like an engineer's dream, man.
882
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:56,960
We wanted to do stuff that was different and
weird and play with the studio.
883
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,430
That's one of our weirdest.
884
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:59,420
Records, I think.
885
00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:24,290
It was a fucking cool record.
886
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,800
We got it done fast. We got it done fairly
cheap and man, it was some great songs on
887
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,900
there. So what are you going to say to that?
888
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:31,650
Really?
889
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:48,010
We were touring with the Melvins, and I
believe I came up with the brilliant idea to
890
00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:51,220
dress as buzz for Halloween.
891
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:54,680
And I was like, Why don't we all dress as
the Melvins?
892
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:55,780
I was buzzed.
893
00:55:56,890 --> 00:56:01,690
D was Dale and Jennifer was Mark.
894
00:56:01,690 --> 00:56:06,340
Susie from our band ended up being the
stoner, which you get bored on the road.
895
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:11,800
So you start to, you know especially we
would do hijinx things all the time.
896
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:13,680
She'd maybe give me a tiny bit more.
897
00:56:13,690 --> 00:56:14,080
Sure.
898
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,930
No shit.
899
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:25,070
That's cool. Who always dealing with the idea
that the money we were going to get was all
900
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:29,510
we were ever going to get. You know, I'm
sure that stands to this day, you know?
901
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:30,920
Yeah. Um.
902
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:35,940
And so when they want to do a stag record, I
couldn't believe it.
903
00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:46,890
For stag.
904
00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:48,140
We went and did.
905
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:50,160
We were going to do a few different studios.
906
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:52,590
Stag was definitely a different record.
907
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:54,900
We attracted a smaller studio.
908
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:10,870
So it wasn't as an expensive record as stoner
witch, but it was still, you know, we're
909
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:12,580
still recording pretty nice places.
910
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:21,940
We did like months and months and months of
touring.
911
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:25,220
Open for a helmet for a long time.
912
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Went to Europe for a big tour.
913
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:32,380
And then came back.
914
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:34,480
And we wanted to do another record.
915
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,630
And, you know, by that time, everybody that
was at Atlantic when we signed were all gone.
916
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:46,750
You see how it works Is that like somebody
down in like royalties looks over the
917
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:50,860
statement and goes, You know what, this band
is like $3 million in the red.
918
00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:53,040
I mean, like, what are we doing?
919
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:54,580
We got to get rid of these guys.
920
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:58,000
Here's this band that you know.
921
00:57:59,050 --> 00:58:03,280
Had a lot of potential and then they were
just cut short because of some bean counter
922
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,540
at a label rather.
923
00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:08,290
Than going, okay, this band's a weird band,
you know, and they've got their own audience
924
00:58:08,290 --> 00:58:09,760
and already.
925
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,260
What can we do differently?
926
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,480
They said they didn't think that way at all.
927
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:25,370
In the 70s, they would develop bands and give
them a chance to put out two three records.
928
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:27,800
And then in the 90s it was just brutal.
929
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,090
Like you kind of got to have that one hit
right away or you're not getting at it on the
930
00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:33,470
radio or whatever.
931
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:35,820
Then they just drop you, they shelve you.
932
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,870
So. We knew we were done.
933
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:43,590
And we went, we're like, We're going to
record this record anyway.
934
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:46,620
We're going to do it with Joe and we're
going to do it really quick.
935
00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:48,480
Those fuckers are partial, man.
936
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,650
I've never seen a band say, Yeah, we're
going to start at noon and show up at 1159.
937
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:55,630
Plug in. Okay, I'm ready.
938
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:56,590
And it's like noon.
939
00:58:57,220 --> 00:59:04,840
I think that we already had that record done
when we were talking to Atlantic about our
940
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,160
next record. You'll always have.
941
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,020
A home here to make whatever kind of records
you.
942
00:59:08,170 --> 00:59:10,630
Want. They wanted us to wait and hold off.
943
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,080
Let them think about it for a while and
decide whether or not they wanted to do a
944
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:14,860
fourth record.
945
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:19,270
We don't do special packaging for bands that
haven't gone gold.
946
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:23,020
Ready? Hit the button like, All right, I'm
going to press it, but I got to get the word
947
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:25,120
because he's The Atlantic's being all weird.
948
00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:27,300
You should consider yourself lucky.
949
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:29,860
Any other major label would have dropped you
by now.
950
00:59:30,730 --> 00:59:31,020
Right?
951
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:34,390
Well, we don't we don't want to sit around
and wait.
952
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,490
We want to work. You know, just tell us now
if you want to do another one or do you not.
953
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:42,250
And then they decided, okay, now we don't
want to do another one.
954
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:42,850
At least your.
955
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:44,020
Records are in the stores.
956
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:48,010
You know, that record was ready to rock the
second they said, Yeah, get the fuck out of
957
00:59:48,010 --> 00:59:51,400
here. Boom, We're running with honky and
going, You know.
958
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,530
The people here in radio just don't like
your.
959
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:58,120
Band. The Melvins were in a place where they
could always go back to their independent
960
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,490
roots. They always had friends at labels.
961
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:01,690
Well, we won't do a thing.
962
01:00:01,690 --> 01:00:03,400
Unless the single moves that could have been
Atlantic.
963
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:08,200
But you know, they were too busy doing
Hootie and the Blowfish or fucking whatever.
964
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,470
Um, so good for me.
965
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,900
You know, you dipshits in New York don't
know shit.
966
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:16,930
Fucking rubes in Minneapolis will fucking
jump right on it.
967
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:19,750
And as soon as we were dropped, we then
toured for one a.
968
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:21,070
Year after that. Yeah.
969
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:25,330
So after we were dropped with a new album out
because I knew that we didn't want people to
970
01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:26,470
think that we were finished.
971
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:26,980
We saw a lot.
972
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:29,830
Of bands that were kind of in the same
situation.
973
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:36,760
They were on a major label that'll just
support them special treatment.
974
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Touring wise, we'd get a bunch of money from
the label to tour in a bus and things like
975
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,170
that, and then once they got dropped, they
didn't have that anymore.
976
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,550
They they felt like they couldn't go back to
an independent and do things how they did
977
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:50,350
before. So they just break up, you know.
978
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:52,960
And we were we were very conscious like,
we're not going to do that.
979
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,520
You know, there's no reason to.
980
01:00:54,550 --> 01:00:57,940
We were making money and doing fine before
we were on a major label.
981
01:00:58,210 --> 01:01:01,930
If this whole thing doesn't work out, we'll
just go back to doing things how we did
982
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,000
before. So what we did.
983
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,920
You didn't have a lot of supporters.
984
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,290
And as far as that's concerned and.
985
01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:21,420
You know, now it's to the point where as
long as I keep my feet moving and working,
986
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:22,110
it'll work.
987
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,350
I got a call from Buzz.
988
01:01:24,370 --> 01:01:28,760
He's like. I think I want to kick Mike out
of the band, which I didn't think would
989
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,890
happen. You know, like really, those guys
are really pretty close.
990
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:36,050
Is not that I don't want to do.
991
01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:36,860
This. I said, I don't.
992
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:38,060
Want to do it with him.
993
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,020
All of a sudden we got an offer to open up
for Tool and do a few shows around Los
994
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:48,180
Angeles. And we're like, okay, we knew we
didn't want to play with him.
995
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:56,520
And we thought of G getting G, the bass
player from The Obsessed, to fill in.
996
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:58,320
All we thought of what to do.
997
01:01:58,830 --> 01:02:02,010
And so. We hadn't.
998
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:08,680
Had the chance to talk with Mark about
anything yet, and we went ahead and confirmed
999
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:09,790
these shows.
1000
01:02:09,790 --> 01:02:15,310
And then all of a sudden Mark shows up in
town without telling us, saying he was here
1001
01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:17,350
to do our solo. His solo record.
1002
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,060
Like, Oh, and he wanted to do some stuff
while while he was here with us.
1003
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,430
Not making plans or anything.
1004
01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:25,480
I'm like, Well.
1005
01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:29,760
Actually. We don't want to play with you
anymore.
1006
01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:35,600
Play with somebody else and we got some
shows booked, so he obviously freaked out
1007
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,080
about it.
1008
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,250
So.
1009
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:43,810
But, you know. Breaking up is hard to do.
1010
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,930
I had left alternative tentacles and I was
managing Mike Patton and Mr.
1011
01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:52,000
Bungle and all Mike's other band.
1012
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:57,460
I had 3 or 4 records that had no home that I
didn't want to sell to any other label.
1013
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:59,680
Didn't feel comfortable with it.
1014
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:04,970
So me and Greg, my partner at Ipecac, were
like, Start a label.
1015
01:03:04,990 --> 01:03:11,280
Fuck it. I just contacted some distribution
people and we kind of set it up to where we
1016
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,290
would put Fantomas out ourselves.
1017
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:17,520
And then I told Buzz, I told all the guys in
Fantomas, Here's how we're going to do it.
1018
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,810
We're just going to do it ourselves.
1019
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:21,810
And Buzz was like, Oh, really interesting.
1020
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,720
What are you doing for distribution?
1021
01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:28,980
I was like, Well, we've got Caroline in the
US, we've got Southern in Europe, we've got
1022
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:31,800
shock in Australia, so we've got the world
kind of covered.
1023
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,930
So we're going to see how it goes.
1024
01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:39,360
So because the Melvins don't have a home,
what really made it the label sort of take
1025
01:03:39,390 --> 01:03:41,550
shape was when.
1026
01:03:41,550 --> 01:03:42,420
We told Buzz.
1027
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:43,950
Hey, we may be starting this label.
1028
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:45,480
He's like, Hey, I got four records.
1029
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,910
You can have it. Bam!
1030
01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:49,950
Oh my God. You know, here we go.
1031
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:54,030
We weren't even really thinking at that time
of being a real record label.
1032
01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:57,350
We were kind of just going to be an outlet
for Mike's All Mike's projects.
1033
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:00,790
It was like, if we have the Melvins, we're
going to be a real record label.
1034
01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:02,730
So the Melvins, in a sense, became the
backbone.
1035
01:04:04,690 --> 01:04:10,840
You know besides my stuff of the of the late
we're trying to decide on what to call our
1036
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,040
label and it was buzz that suggested ipecac.
1037
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:16,040
And at the time I didn't know what it was.
1038
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:18,400
Mike knew what it was and was like, Oh yeah,
that's great.
1039
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,710
You know, it makes people sick, just like
our music.
1040
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:30,640
Buzz came out to Minneapolis and produced was
actually turned out to be the Last Cows
1041
01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:32,210
record. But we didn't know that at the time.
1042
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:34,940
And he we just he and I really worked well
together.
1043
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:37,220
Or at least I thought so.
1044
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:41,050
Yeah, Kevin played really weird and I liked
that a lot.
1045
01:04:41,230 --> 01:04:42,250
I always liked the cows.
1046
01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:45,670
I thought they were great. Certainly one of
the most underrated bands.
1047
01:04:46,180 --> 01:04:47,740
Underappreciated, Really?
1048
01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:49,840
They were great. They were really great
live.
1049
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:51,670
I liked their records.
1050
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,220
Yeah. And I didn't really want to play with
somebody that was like in a rock school 101
1051
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:59,740
type of, you know. I never have.
1052
01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:00,340
Really.
1053
01:05:00,490 --> 01:05:02,800
The way I've always played is I just played
what I wrote.
1054
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,810
I never learned anyone else's stuff.
1055
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,480
We may have to describe.
1056
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,440
Weird to Kevin.
1057
01:05:10,090 --> 01:05:10,990
It was already there.
1058
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,600
He called me not long after that and said,
Hey, I've got this idea.
1059
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,190
I don't know how you feel about it.
1060
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:20,760
And he asked me and I was like, I was pretty
excited.
1061
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:25,620
But at the same time I was a little bit
worried because I wasn't sure I could do it.
1062
01:05:25,620 --> 01:05:27,780
It was such a different style of music.
1063
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:32,640
He had a lot of confidence issues in his own
ability to do stuff which I never could
1064
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,350
understand because I never thought I never
thought I never had any doubt that he could
1065
01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:38,370
do stuff. He had doubt.
1066
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:41,280
He called me and dragged me into it.
1067
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:46,950
I remember from the call from Buzz, where he
was like, How would you like to help us try
1068
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:48,810
to commit career suicide?
1069
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,400
I was like, Oh, that sounds good.
1070
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:51,900
Count us in. What do you got in mind?
1071
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:55,410
He was like, Well, I'd like to release a
record every two months, a trilogy.
1072
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:57,870
So within six months the whole trilogy is
out.
1073
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,700
Bootlicker crybaby.
1074
01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:03,560
Help me, Megan, the maggot.
1075
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,040
Smells like that. It's three.
1076
01:06:07,030 --> 01:06:09,100
And he knew how stupid that sounded.
1077
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:10,900
Because you don't do that.
1078
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:14,710
The industry standards, you don't put a
record out every two months.
1079
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:20,080
And we were like, maybe a little bit too
many is like, This is what I want to do.
1080
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:23,050
But I said, Yeah, it sounds great.
1081
01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:25,720
And if anyone was going to do it, why
wouldn't it be the Melvins?
1082
01:06:25,810 --> 01:06:27,160
Having lived in New York.
1083
01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:29,290
And all that stuff written before he joined
the.
1084
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:35,320
San Francisco Buzz lived in LA, and Buzz had
all these demos that he sent us, so I guess
1085
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,950
he had a chance to listen to that stuff, but
we didn't really have much time to rehearse
1086
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:39,130
it.
1087
01:06:39,250 --> 01:06:40,810
And then he sent me the demo for.
1088
01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:47,220
The bootlicker. And I liked it so much that
I said, I really want to be on this record.
1089
01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:48,810
And that really helped push me into.
1090
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:54,520
Making it work. So he just called me on the
phone, really started sending me tapes,
1091
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,880
telling me lists of songs to learn, stuff
like that.
1092
01:06:59,010 --> 01:07:01,770
Yeah. Come in and we'll start working on
this.
1093
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:05,820
And I won't take long.
1094
01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:08,190
And we're not worried.
1095
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:10,680
It didn't take long. We did three records
back to back.
1096
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,870
With no streetlights.
1097
01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:15,280
Simlife, for instance.
1098
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:15,580
We.
1099
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:25,500
The other thing is those guys were really
flexible about they wanted my they wanted me
1100
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:28,530
in there. They didn't have they didn't want
me to sound the way that other bass players
1101
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:32,160
sounded. They asked me to do it because they
liked what I did.
1102
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,360
So there was a meeting of styles.
1103
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,280
It totally worked out great because I played
with several different drummers and often
1104
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,460
it's hard for me to find that niche to lock
in.
1105
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:45,600
And I never had that trouble with Dale, you
know, the feeling was there, so.
1106
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,950
It was a different way of playing in the
song.
1107
01:07:57,250 --> 01:08:01,000
Structures were very different, but I didn't
really have to shift styles.
1108
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,670
I just had to learn their songs, which was
great.
1109
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:05,470
It was a real relief to me.
1110
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,170
That was fun. That whole thing was great and
we all worked together really great and had a
1111
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:12,460
great time. Yeah.
1112
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:14,280
Really fun making those records.
1113
01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:14,560
Yeah.
1114
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:18,860
You put a gun to my head, I'd probably say
the favorite Melvins record I was on was
1115
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:19,700
Bootlicker.
1116
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,680
They had said that they were going to be
releasing three records and that whatever
1117
01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:28,190
year that was the maggot, the crybaby and
the bootlicker.
1118
01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:36,860
And and the Crybaby was going to be
collaborations with other other bands.
1119
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:45,890
Sort of other vocalists, but also other
bands and asked if I'd like to do that, and I
1120
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:47,360
said I would love to.
1121
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,680
I was like, Who should we get?
1122
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:54,260
I just remember making our dream list of,
okay, here's who we should hit up and
1123
01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:55,580
remember the whole thing.
1124
01:08:55,580 --> 01:08:57,770
Like, let's contact Leif Garrett.
1125
01:08:57,770 --> 01:09:00,080
And was like, Yeah, why not?
1126
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,580
And I don't even know where it came from.
1127
01:09:01,580 --> 01:09:02,840
I don't think it was my idea.
1128
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,570
Maybe it was Buzz's, um, and I tracked him
down on the computer and I found him and
1129
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:10,340
we're like, okay, well, I found Leif
Garrett.
1130
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,860
He the rest is up to you.
1131
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:14,330
And he's like, Yeah, I think he'd be good to
sing.
1132
01:09:14,690 --> 01:09:16,220
Smells like Teen Spirit.
1133
01:09:30,770 --> 01:09:32,670
And it just is absurd.
1134
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:37,360
But it all made absolutely complete sense
for it to happen.
1135
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:40,320
Everything they do they do seems to make
sense.
1136
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:45,420
They'll do things for the hell of it and do
things to amuse themselves.
1137
01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:50,900
And they'll do things because it seems cool
idea and not because it's.
1138
01:09:53,190 --> 01:09:54,360
Reaction strategy.
1139
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,300
Anytime they turn in a new record, they're
excited about it.
1140
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:58,500
They're like, Yeah, we're really proud of
this.
1141
01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:00,690
I hope somebody is into it.
1142
01:10:05,740 --> 01:10:07,900
I was aware of them, but hadn't really
followed what they were doing.
1143
01:10:08,140 --> 01:10:12,490
Well, we had met the last part to the Tool
guys, and I thought it would be great to do a
1144
01:10:12,490 --> 01:10:14,200
record. After all his records.
1145
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,630
We'd done do a real collaboration with
somebody.
1146
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:20,940
The idea was that it would be some kind of
blending, but we didn't know exactly how that
1147
01:10:21,010 --> 01:10:23,620
in what way. So it was more fluid as we were
recording it.
1148
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:25,240
It was kind of turning out in a certain way.
1149
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,720
Well, we would do stuff and send it to him
and he'd come and get it.
1150
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,970
Like I was like, I don't know, maybe you
could come up with something that's three
1151
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:35,490
minutes long for an intro.
1152
01:10:35,820 --> 01:10:38,310
He brings back something that's exactly
three minutes.
1153
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:40,560
You said three minutes.
1154
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:42,450
Roughly. It is.
1155
01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:44,820
Three minutes. Yeah.
1156
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:47,340
I would work on stuff and then give it to
them.
1157
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,420
I don't think we.
1158
01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:49,500
Had anything.
1159
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:51,270
Any of the songs really worked out.
1160
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:52,680
No.
1161
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,560
And they would add to it or they would go
back and forth like.
1162
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:59,840
So yeah, with bloated pope.
1163
01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:01,520
He and I practiced it for about I learned.
1164
01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:02,510
I learned it.
1165
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:03,740
He probably he probably wrote it.
1166
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:04,520
Before, but I learned.
1167
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,560
It like a half hour and we're tracking it.
1168
01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:09,420
Yeah, tracked it down.
1169
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:11,850
You know, there's a few other songs like
that on there too.
1170
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,110
I was like, Learn it, Track it.
1171
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,890
There's a lot of that's kind of the way
we've been working lately, too.
1172
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:19,640
For years.
1173
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:33,480
And I've got a lot of the time I'd be in the
studio, even some some of the parts that I
1174
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:34,620
wasn't so much on.
1175
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:39,210
I wasn't sonically, I wasn't involved, but I
would be there exchanging ideas and throwing
1176
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,830
ideas around and stuff like that with him.
1177
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:46,140
Who wants to do something where we use stuff
that we did, stuff that he did and stuff that
1178
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:48,940
we did together. You know, the same record.
1179
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:51,820
They were doing, the kind of thing that I
would normally do and I was doing the things
1180
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:53,140
that they would might normally do.
1181
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:58,630
People will say like, Oh, I really like that
thing that Glasper did on that song.
1182
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,070
Actually, he wasn't on that song.
1183
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:06,800
Or vice versa. You know, like that thing you
did on that last part.
1184
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:09,350
I don't even play on that. You played on
that one?
1185
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:10,580
Yeah, that part of it.
1186
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:15,350
Things like that. That was a lot of fun to
see people's reaction, you know, just liking
1187
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:17,840
or disliking, not knowing, not knowing,
actually who contribute.
1188
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:21,050
Assuming that I had done this or they had
done that.
1189
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:30,350
The whole record, when we were doing it, we
were doing a record with Jello Biafra at.
1190
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:31,040
The same time.
1191
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,150
Right. But in Jello doesn't get up until.
1192
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:37,200
He's he's a.
1193
01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:40,480
He's a night. He's kind of.
1194
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:41,860
He has insomnia, so he.
1195
01:12:41,860 --> 01:12:42,610
Won't go to bed till.
1196
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:44,440
Six in the morning and wake up at four in the
afternoon.
1197
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:53,500
Melvins came to his studio by 11 or noon, and
then they made.
1198
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,740
Uh, Pigs of the Roman Empire.
1199
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:06,620
Till 5 or 6 in the evening, and the jailer
showed up and then we walked on the album.
1200
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:08,390
Gentlemen. Melvins, two albums.
1201
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:08,990
We were touring.
1202
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:14,630
With Hank Williams, a third through Jello was
a pretty big fan of, and I know he'd seen us
1203
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:16,550
before and kind of never really got the
band.
1204
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,900
I saw him over the years, but I didn't really
know him.
1205
01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:22,640
Wasn't that into what we were doing, you
know?
1206
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:25,770
Certainly Melvins aren't an easy sell.
1207
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:31,370
So anyway, but at this particular show, we
played an Alice Cooper song.
1208
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,180
They started.
1209
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:33,680
Halo of Flies, which.
1210
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,500
Is a really long, epic number.
1211
01:13:36,710 --> 01:13:40,100
Oh, my God. They're not really going to play
all of Halo of Flies.
1212
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,970
Jello saw that and came downstairs in the
dressing room.
1213
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:43,520
Oh my.
1214
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:44,000
God.
1215
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,800
They are like, I.
1216
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:46,970
Finally get you guys.
1217
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:49,970
You guys played that Alice Cooper song and
it was amazing.
1218
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,110
And then I was.
1219
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:51,770
Hooked from.
1220
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:57,440
That point onward and told him, Yo, sorry
about not being as attentive as I could have
1221
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:58,980
been, but you know, now I get it.
1222
01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:00,690
I really like this shit.
1223
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,810
Our bass player Kevin said, Nah, you're just
drunk.
1224
01:14:04,410 --> 01:14:05,940
Like I'm not that drunk.
1225
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:08,040
And within.
1226
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:08,700
Months we.
1227
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:11,190
Were talking about making noise together.
1228
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:16,170
So we talked to him and we were kind of
joking with him, you know, knowing that that
1229
01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:19,050
he had had a bunch of trouble with the Dead
Kennedys guys.
1230
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:19,950
They approached.
1231
01:14:19,950 --> 01:14:24,000
Me about going on tour, doing All Dead
Kennedys songs.
1232
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,790
Joking. We were like, Hey, you should hire us
to be your backup band.
1233
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:28,620
We'll call ourselves the Dead Canaries.
1234
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:43,360
When Jello was going through his whole trial
with the other dead Kennedys, Buzz was just
1235
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,430
always like, Man, I don't understand.
1236
01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:53,140
I don't understand why he doesn't make a
statement by going out there and doing a tour
1237
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:58,180
and calling himself the Dead Kennedys and
playing all the Dead Kennedys song and songs
1238
01:14:58,180 --> 01:15:00,460
because they're doing it with a fake jello.
1239
01:15:00,490 --> 01:15:05,170
Why doesn't he do it with another band and
he'll blow them away because people will come
1240
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,300
see him and nobody will go see the fake dead
Kennedys.
1241
01:15:08,230 --> 01:15:09,220
You know, Buzz and.
1242
01:15:09,220 --> 01:15:09,880
Dale were really.
1243
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,510
Offended by that and thought maybe there was
something that could be done.
1244
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:13,600
I thought, hey, wait a minute. If we're
going.
1245
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:15,250
To do this at all, I'd.
1246
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:16,540
Rather do new stuff.
1247
01:15:16,540 --> 01:15:18,100
I got plenty of other songs.
1248
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:19,360
You want to make a record?
1249
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,950
It's hard when talking about Jello not to
start sliding into an impersonation of him.
1250
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:28,390
He's like, Well, I don't know about that, but
I would do a collaboration.
1251
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:29,440
With you guys.
1252
01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:33,010
So he's the one that kind of initiated the
whole thing, whole project.
1253
01:15:33,010 --> 01:15:36,670
He's like, It'd be great. We could write
songs and we worked it kind of around doing
1254
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:41,420
that. Alice Cooper song with him, but we
worked for a long time.
1255
01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:47,990
You would like I said, he initiated it and
he would come down to LA and stay and work
1256
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:50,690
for a couple of weeks on on, on songs with
us.
1257
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:52,220
Since I'm useless with.
1258
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:53,120
Instruments.
1259
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,430
And played the original Dead Kennedys.
1260
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:57,590
Stuff, I wrote single string on a guitar
until.
1261
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,990
Klaus told me, You know, you sing.
1262
01:15:59,990 --> 01:16:01,820
Good enough, Just sing us the parts.
1263
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:05,630
He knows specifically what he wants guitars
to do.
1264
01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:10,220
He has he he doesn't sing super melodically,
but he would keep singing it to you till you
1265
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,870
hit the note He thought it should be.
1266
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:13,010
No. Ha.
1267
01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:14,840
Bong, bong, bong. No, no.
1268
01:16:15,770 --> 01:16:17,510
You hit one. But he knew how.
1269
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:23,330
He writes songs is he'll sing little parts
into a tape recorder, guitar lines, vocal
1270
01:16:23,330 --> 01:16:26,840
lines, even, even, even guitar lead lines.
1271
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,130
He'll he'll sing into a tape recorder and
then sing the song to you.
1272
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:32,810
And then you kind of figure out the riff.
1273
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,820
Hurry up. Get.
1274
01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:42,150
Look around.
1275
01:16:43,570 --> 01:16:48,250
Leading up to me getting fired is, yeah,
things slowly getting more and more fucked
1276
01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:48,730
up.
1277
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:50,800
With Kevin again.
1278
01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:55,270
He had his own. He had his demons that were
kind of affecting the band and affecting his
1279
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:56,500
life big time.
1280
01:16:56,510 --> 01:17:03,540
And. You know, he we certainly give him a
chance to kind of get it together and we
1281
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:05,100
certainly help them try to get it together.
1282
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:07,680
But in the end, he couldn't.
1283
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:12,050
So we were again looking for a new bass
player.
1284
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:15,470
Finally, those guys were like, Look, we can't
we can't work with you.
1285
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:17,930
And I was like. It's a very upsetting.
1286
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:19,130
I'm not going to pretend I wasn't upset.
1287
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:20,210
I was incredibly upset.
1288
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:20,810
It was.
1289
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:22,010
Really heavy.
1290
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,550
They were really worried about Kevin.
1291
01:17:25,670 --> 01:17:27,050
As far as my end.
1292
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:32,030
They got to the point where I just felt like
I couldn't deal with it anymore.
1293
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:38,120
You know, really, to be fair, I was acting
very poorly, and it happened.
1294
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:44,540
And really my biggest regret is just the
problems I created for them.
1295
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,240
The extracurricular activities were way out
of hand.
1296
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:49,160
Just kind of. And.
1297
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:56,460
I just felt like it was detrimental for him
and for us.
1298
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,440
Yeah, he told me later.
1299
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:01,740
He said I could just see where it was going
and I didn't want to watch it.
1300
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:03,630
Yeah, no, I knew he was going to destroy the
band.
1301
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,930
I just didn't have any interest in his
destruction trip that he was on.
1302
01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:09,330
You know, his nightmare.
1303
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:16,460
I know Buzz and Dale well enough to know that
they wouldn't just do it for no reason, you
1304
01:18:16,460 --> 01:18:19,550
know? It was a real setback for them to get
rid of me.
1305
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:22,370
You know, they lost a year, you know?
1306
01:18:22,940 --> 01:18:26,300
I know Buzz was really a little demoralized.
1307
01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:31,600
It was almost like he needed to get to a
point where everything was falling apart for
1308
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,460
him to get it back. Honestly, if we hadn't
done that, I don't think he'd be alive.
1309
01:18:36,610 --> 01:18:38,230
I was just sinking so deep.
1310
01:18:38,230 --> 01:18:40,930
And that last tour.
1311
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,510
Before I got fired, I remember.
1312
01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:46,490
And I'd never had this feeling.
1313
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:49,910
I remember had this enormous feeling of
dread when the tour started, and I didn't
1314
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:51,900
know. God knows why.
1315
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:53,680
I didn't know why I felt that way.
1316
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,520
Like really thinking something bad was going
to happen.
1317
01:18:57,180 --> 01:18:59,580
What amazing insight I have.
1318
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:02,520
You know, it's hard to to do that kind of
stuff.
1319
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:06,230
Then, you know, you're right.
1320
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,300
And they don't agree, you know.
1321
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,690
It wasn't like I didn't like playing with
Kevin.
1322
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:13,130
I liked it a whole lot.
1323
01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:17,170
But it was time to move on.
1324
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:18,970
You know, that was the right thing to do.
1325
01:19:20,650 --> 01:19:22,900
Sometimes the right thing to do is the
hardest thing to do.
1326
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,460
I don't resent them for firing me.
1327
01:19:24,460 --> 01:19:27,070
Nothing. It worked out the way it did.
1328
01:19:27,070 --> 01:19:29,260
And I don't know if they can say the same
thing, but.
1329
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:32,650
I'm super relieved to be friends with them
again.
1330
01:19:33,070 --> 01:19:34,750
It's really good. It's a big deal.
1331
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:48,150
Buzz could play any song ever written like
and make it better.
1332
01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:52,970
You know, like I'm always been fascinated by
the few cover songs they've done because they
1333
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:54,710
can rock that song harder than the original.
1334
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:56,240
It's insane what that guy can do.
1335
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,050
We did discover his record just recently.
1336
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:09,330
Everyone's loved sausage and got a lot of
people to collaborate on that with us.
1337
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:12,700
Scott Kelly during the Venom song.
1338
01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:32,890
Um.
1339
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:36,520
Was just kind of called me and said, I have
an idea.
1340
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:42,820
You know, we're going to do these kind of
split singles and we're thinking we're going
1341
01:20:42,820 --> 01:20:46,000
to do a couple of Queen songs and we'd like
you to sing on it.
1342
01:20:46,730 --> 01:20:47,420
And.
1343
01:20:48,580 --> 01:20:50,590
You know, I'm on the phone. I'm like, Oh,
yeah, awesome.
1344
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:52,570
That sounds great. You know, click.
1345
01:20:52,570 --> 01:20:56,860
And then I immediately start panicking like,
okay, I'm going to see Freddie Mercury on a
1346
01:20:56,860 --> 01:20:58,600
Melvins cover, you know?
1347
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,670
No problem.
1348
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:06,830
We like doing all kinds of stuff like that,
and hopefully we'll continue to do more.
1349
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:08,450
We have lots of plans.
1350
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:11,450
We have plans from that just didn't work out
quite yet.
1351
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:23,180
Bowie never called what you mean or.
1352
01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:26,080
The guys from Venom. Never.
1353
01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:28,290
Hello, Buzz. You know you're a fucking cunt.
1354
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:29,980
You know That never happened.
1355
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:30,760
Buzz called.
1356
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:31,420
Me and just said.
1357
01:21:31,420 --> 01:21:34,390
We want you to do a Roxy Music song.
1358
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:35,170
And I.
1359
01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:37,030
Immediately thought of in every Dream.
1360
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:39,160
Home a heartache because that.
1361
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:39,820
Song just.
1362
01:21:39,820 --> 01:21:40,630
Cracked me.
1363
01:21:40,660 --> 01:21:42,400
Up even when I was in high school.
1364
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:49,030
And it seemed like the the definitive Bryan
Ferry kind of vision of the sterile suburb.
1365
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:51,700
But then at the end, you know.
1366
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,160
It blew up your body.
1367
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:56,230
But you blew my mind.
1368
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:06,980
I was thinking of the dude in the white
dinner jacket with the.
1369
01:22:06,980 --> 01:22:09,740
The perfect hair and everything singing.
1370
01:22:09,740 --> 01:22:12,350
That was just so hilarious.
1371
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:15,890
And I think they knew that I could do
Fairey's voice too.
1372
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,310
We brought that up way back when we recorded
with him before, and he said, You're the only
1373
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:21,950
guys to ever think of that, to ever notice
that.
1374
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:24,770
And we're like, It was totally obvious.
1375
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:25,880
But yeah, it's funny, right?
1376
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:29,840
Because he really is great, you know, he
made it work and I couldn't believe how well
1377
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,600
he nailed those vocals and so quickly.
1378
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:33,830
Your swimming pool eyes.
1379
01:22:36,290 --> 01:22:39,140
I could see them doing a Kelly Clarkson song.
1380
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:42,650
But they're going to do it Melvins style.
1381
01:22:42,650 --> 01:22:44,240
And it'll sound like something they wrote.
1382
01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:47,750
Whereas if Kelly Clarkson did God of
Thunder.
1383
01:22:49,390 --> 01:22:50,320
I don't think so.
1384
01:22:52,570 --> 01:22:55,870
I played with Clem Burke and that was like a
dream come true, you know?
1385
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,880
That was really fun.
1386
01:22:58,890 --> 01:23:00,150
It was really happy to have that be the
case.
1387
01:23:01,260 --> 01:23:03,300
You know, that was one of my favorite
drummers.
1388
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:07,770
And the guys, Dale and and Cody were were.
1389
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:11,070
Beside themselves.
1390
01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:15,450
You know that's a like a monster fanboys.
1391
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:17,430
We have a mutual friend with Clem Burke.
1392
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:21,630
Our friend Bob and he.
1393
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:22,980
We had met Clem.
1394
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,010
A couple of times before that.
1395
01:23:26,010 --> 01:23:33,330
And then we were working on the Bride
Screamed Murder album, and our friend Bob
1396
01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:36,270
brought Clem down to the studio to come and
check it out.
1397
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,640
I'm good. How are you doing?
1398
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:40,200
Good. Very strange.
1399
01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:44,100
We're a little nervous for sure. When he was
coming into the studio, especially since at
1400
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:46,890
the time we were doing some drama for Dubs
right in front of him.
1401
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:48,120
So it was like, Oh, God.
1402
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:51,130
Anyway. And Buzz wasn't there.
1403
01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:54,780
Buzz had gone home for the day and we were
just doing some some drum stuff or whatever.
1404
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:59,360
And and buzz is like, oh, man, you didn't
get him to play on anything.
1405
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:02,290
I was like, I was too nervous to ask him,
you know, or, you know.
1406
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,230
Added fear of rejection that he would say
no.
1407
01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:10,450
And then our friend Bob had told us like,
Oh, no, he'd probably do it so well, why
1408
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:12,520
don't you ask him? And.
1409
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,020
And we didn't quite know.
1410
01:24:14,710 --> 01:24:16,000
You know what we'd have them do.
1411
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:21,610
But Buzz had an idea of doing a song that
he'd wanted to do for a long time and think.
1412
01:24:21,610 --> 01:24:23,110
At first Clem was like, Well, what do they
need?
1413
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,120
What do they need? Three drummers.
1414
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:37,920
But. What is it, like 16 bars or something?
1415
01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:38,270
Yeah.
1416
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,620
It's great. It's like getting a getting a
free Clem Burke drum lesson.
1417
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:46,610
Sideshow appearance.
1418
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:50,200
They all can be.
1419
01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:55,150
Who beat your.
1420
01:24:59,910 --> 01:25:01,800
As far as like a drummer in a pop band.
1421
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:03,510
He's the king for sure.
1422
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:18,580
Having somebody that you're very, very much
a fan of and influenced by and somebody that
1423
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:19,700
whose drumming I really like a lot.
1424
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:25,100
To have them come in and and and say that he
likes Mike's our band and likes our drumming
1425
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,540
is really great.
1426
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:27,260
Really special.
1427
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:29,000
Can we play it one more time?
1428
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:41,800
My first reaction when they decided to work
with big business was why?
1429
01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:47,200
It was nothing against big business, but it
was like when you have Dale Crover.
1430
01:25:47,230 --> 01:25:49,390
Do you really need a second drummer?
1431
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:51,880
On the very last Nirvana tour.
1432
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:54,560
And you're playing with those guys.
1433
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:59,060
And we talked about doing this idea with
Dave Grohl.
1434
01:25:59,950 --> 01:26:05,380
And he was even coming out and playing a
song with us on this tour that we were doing.
1435
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:14,440
He's playing Night Goat with us, and we were
playing two shows in Munich at this old
1436
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:16,960
airport. Turned into a club.
1437
01:26:16,990 --> 01:26:18,190
Really spooky place.
1438
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,710
And on the second show, Dave was going to
come out and play the whole set.
1439
01:26:22,710 --> 01:26:27,210
And the first show there had been a couple
couple shows prior where he'd come out and
1440
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:30,780
play one song, and during soundchecks we
were kind of rehearsing the whole set with
1441
01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:37,500
him. So, you know, we, we knew that that it
would work from doing that anyway.
1442
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:40,830
Dave played the whole set didn't happen
because that's when.
1443
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,160
Shirt canceled. The rest of the shows said
he had laryngitis.
1444
01:26:45,190 --> 01:26:48,640
Went to Rome and that's when he OD'd.
1445
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:49,360
The first time.
1446
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,960
He played did some shows with Jello Biafra or
were his backing band.
1447
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,200
And they played with us once. Big business
did once or twice, I can't remember.
1448
01:26:56,590 --> 01:27:02,140
And we knew about Jared and knew he was a
good singer and a good bass player.
1449
01:27:03,170 --> 01:27:05,480
I played the show Dead Low Tide.
1450
01:27:05,630 --> 01:27:06,980
Cody was the drummer.
1451
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,940
I remember thinking, Man, here's a guy that
could play.
1452
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:13,250
We've been thinking about the double drummer
thing for a long time.
1453
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:15,440
Here's a guy that could actually do it.
1454
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,030
He could play this down and, you know, it's
not.
1455
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,410
It's not a simple thing to do.
1456
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:27,770
I remember playing in Tacoma with those guys
and doing a sound check.
1457
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,640
And Dale and Buzz were watching me check my
drums and like, you got done.
1458
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,790
And Buzz came up and was like, Hey.
1459
01:27:37,050 --> 01:27:39,030
Media like we like your drumming a lot.
1460
01:27:39,450 --> 01:27:40,800
When you're done playing with Kevin.
1461
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:44,780
We were pretty discouraged.
1462
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,700
I was not ready to start over.
1463
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:50,780
I mean, it was. Miserable.
1464
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,080
And did it that year.
1465
01:27:55,220 --> 01:27:57,800
Fortunately, I did a whole bunch of work
with Fantomas that year.
1466
01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:03,830
When we got ready to put the band back
together again, I said we should just ask the
1467
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:07,490
big business guys both and just do something
completely different.
1468
01:28:12,530 --> 01:28:13,720
Hope he was honking at me.
1469
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,890
When Buzz told me over the phone like, Oh,
we're going to have we're adding a second
1470
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:22,570
drummer. We're, you know, this band, big
business, we're incorporating them.
1471
01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:25,570
You know, they're guys that used to be in
Karp and Murder City, and we're bringing
1472
01:28:25,570 --> 01:28:26,740
those guys in and they're going to join the
band.
1473
01:28:28,010 --> 01:28:29,760
And I literally remember being on the phone
with him.
1474
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,370
I'm like, What the fuck are you thinking?
1475
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:35,210
Like, seriously, you're the one band in the
world that doesn't need a second drummer.
1476
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:39,320
You know, I can list off a hundred bands who
could actually benefit from a second.
1477
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:40,970
You know, you have the monster.
1478
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,310
And I remember telling him that, like, I
don't get it, dude, that doesn't make any
1479
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:49,020
sense to me. You know, seeing it live and
just going, Holy fuck, he actually just upped
1480
01:28:49,020 --> 01:28:53,220
the game, you know, 25 years into his
career, he actually just took a big step
1481
01:28:53,220 --> 01:28:55,080
forward. They like.
1482
01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:56,610
It's better.
1483
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,410
Who the fuck gets better 25 years into a rock
and roll career?
1484
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:02,450
Like, literally makes a huge advancement.
1485
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,100
So we knew what the big business guys we
wanted to do something completely different
1486
01:29:08,030 --> 01:29:10,610
that was new and we'd never done before.
1487
01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:15,140
And we go get a bass player who can sing.
1488
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:20,510
There's a lead singer in and of himself and
a drummer who's good enough to play the stuff
1489
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:22,550
that we're doing. And I think it came out
great.
1490
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:27,140
It's really good. You know, we've done a lot
of work with those guys, but a lot of
1491
01:29:27,140 --> 01:29:29,060
records, a lot of recording.
1492
01:29:29,690 --> 01:29:31,790
Don't look down.
1493
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:39,700
You might be. All in good time.
1494
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:48,110
They have it, we want it.
1495
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:51,290
A lot of shows. Hundreds and hundreds of
shows.
1496
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:53,570
I think the proof is there.
1497
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:54,050
You know.
1498
01:29:55,190 --> 01:30:00,020
I learned from Dale is that like, you know,
he also, as well as I were, were cadence
1499
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:05,420
drummers. And we we, you know, got we got we
were trained and learned a lot of our drum
1500
01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:07,130
chops on in marching.
1501
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,530
Having like Cody as a second drummer.
1502
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:11,090
Allowed that.
1503
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:13,160
Core style drumming present.
1504
01:30:20,210 --> 01:30:21,680
The Grateful Dead had three drummers.
1505
01:30:21,860 --> 01:30:22,400
They did.
1506
01:30:22,430 --> 01:30:23,360
But Jesus Christ.
1507
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:24,180
Is so boring.
1508
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,360
Nice that the Melvins finally.
1509
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,450
Became one step closer to being influenced by
the Grateful.
1510
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:29,690
Dead.
1511
01:30:37,570 --> 01:30:38,760
So then how did we get the band?
1512
01:30:38,770 --> 01:30:39,280
Is that what you.
1513
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:44,290
Want to know? I called up Jared and I'm like,
Hey, we want to know if you guys would be
1514
01:30:44,290 --> 01:30:45,730
interested in joining the Melvins.
1515
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:51,640
Whoa. Wow. That's a lot. Like, this is really
sudden and totally unexpected, and I have no
1516
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,210
idea. I mean, it would be cool, but I.
1517
01:30:54,220 --> 01:30:57,730
You know, Cody and I have big business, and
that's kind of an important thing.
1518
01:30:57,730 --> 01:30:59,050
He's like, Oh, Cody, too.
1519
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:03,220
As if it was just like, I would have
naturally assumed, you know, like, Oh, well,
1520
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:05,410
of course Cody too. Oh, yeah, of course.
1521
01:31:05,410 --> 01:31:08,800
Why not? Of course you need a second drummer
because you're not good enough by yourself,
1522
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:09,520
so you need help.
1523
01:31:10,090 --> 01:31:12,160
And we invited him down and just had them
learn.
1524
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,010
A few songs that we could jam on.
1525
01:31:15,340 --> 01:31:17,260
And we knew right away that it was.
1526
01:31:17,260 --> 01:31:19,030
Going to work and it would work out great.
1527
01:31:19,930 --> 01:31:22,150
So like, I don't know, I felt pretty nervous.
1528
01:31:22,150 --> 01:31:25,360
I think we were both kind of like, Don't make
this really good.
1529
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,300
And like every time we'd be like, to Buzz or
Dale, you.
1530
01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:29,860
Know, Hey, what do you think about this?
1531
01:31:30,370 --> 01:31:31,960
You'll figure it out. It'll be fine.
1532
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:33,670
Like, that was just like, the attitude
there.
1533
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:35,080
Like, it's going to be good.
1534
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,190
It's going to work. It'll be fine.
1535
01:31:36,190 --> 01:31:37,810
So it was just constant. And just like.
1536
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,730
All right. Like. They're not worried about
it.
1537
01:31:41,940 --> 01:31:43,350
Like, you know, I don't know.
1538
01:31:43,530 --> 01:31:45,120
I guess I shouldn't freak out.
1539
01:31:45,150 --> 01:31:48,150
We just know it'd be really good, you know,
doing a lot of stuff that was in sync with
1540
01:31:48,150 --> 01:31:51,870
each other and then also going off from each
other too.
1541
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:58,830
Um, I think we worked harder on drum parts
in the beginning and just kind of trying to
1542
01:31:58,830 --> 01:32:03,720
figure out what the other person was playing
more so than we do now, just because I think
1543
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,540
now we've done it for so long that we're
really comfortable with each other and it's
1544
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:08,160
easy for us to take.
1545
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,050
Every time I'd be like, I just don't know how
to play here.
1546
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:12,480
And like Dale, you know, just unflappable.
1547
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:16,290
Dale Just like, oh, just use your instincts,
okay?
1548
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:18,280
I mean.
1549
01:32:18,330 --> 01:32:19,890
What a fucking bizarre idea.
1550
01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:25,670
Just to totally take a whole other band and
incorporate it into your band and run with
1551
01:32:25,670 --> 01:32:30,980
it. The big business guys get more
comfortable inside there and can stretch out
1552
01:32:30,980 --> 01:32:32,180
a little bit more.
1553
01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:37,670
And I think, you know, yeah, that union
between Dale and Cody becoming some sort of
1554
01:32:37,670 --> 01:32:41,010
Siamese symbiotic fuckfest weirdness.
1555
01:32:42,130 --> 01:32:46,610
Um, yeah, it's it's awesome.
1556
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,890
The two drummer thing is just a complete mind
fuck.
1557
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:55,910
That's amazing. And it just worked perfectly
because, you know, Cody's left handed and so
1558
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:59,600
you get this mirror image thing going on and
it's just mind blowing.
1559
01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:03,110
But what an awesome way to reinvent your
band.
1560
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:04,280
Cody and.
1561
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,720
Dale's drum styles to me.
1562
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,890
Are polar opposite almost to me when I see it
off the bat.
1563
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:13,280
And then when you see them play together,
it's like.
1564
01:33:13,790 --> 01:33:16,400
The total. It's a magnet, man.
1565
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,180
And they're just like filling every void
that each other has ever thought about.
1566
01:33:20,570 --> 01:33:22,370
Within and without each other.
1567
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:26,600
So we do a lot of that and there's a lot of
just kind of.
1568
01:33:27,340 --> 01:33:30,340
Knowing what the other guy is going to do a
ESP going on.
1569
01:33:30,340 --> 01:33:33,760
And I think it's just us being kind of
comfortable with each other.
1570
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:34,810
You know, obviously I have a.
1571
01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:36,460
Real fondness for the very.
1572
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:37,840
Early years with Mike Dillard.
1573
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,120
Because that's when I first saw them and
thought they were a great.
1574
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,230
Band then. But you know.
1575
01:33:41,770 --> 01:33:43,000
Fucking now with.
1576
01:33:44,190 --> 01:33:46,050
With the big business kids in there.
1577
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:51,060
I mean, they just keep doing amazing shit,
you know?
1578
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:55,050
The other drummer and I thought that was kind
of a bold move to make that late in their
1579
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:58,200
career. So hats off to them for that for
sure.
1580
01:33:59,010 --> 01:34:02,130
You know, we really knew that we could do a
lot with two drummers and.
1581
01:34:03,340 --> 01:34:08,530
We feel that we've only scratched the
surface even though we go and play with other
1582
01:34:08,530 --> 01:34:10,060
people and they do their own band.
1583
01:34:10,090 --> 01:34:15,310
We'll always, always come back to the two
drummer thing just because it's so it's fun
1584
01:34:15,310 --> 01:34:19,990
and it's and it's it's it's brutal live.
1585
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:22,510
It's super brutal seeing two drummers do
that stuff.
1586
01:34:23,050 --> 01:34:29,500
It's unfair to other bands, which is it
should be you know because we'll just we'll
1587
01:34:29,500 --> 01:34:32,110
knock your dick in the dirt with this
lineup, you know.
1588
01:34:38,010 --> 01:34:41,460
Buzz. Despite his hatred of.
1589
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:42,180
Those early.
1590
01:34:42,210 --> 01:34:45,030
Years he spent in rural Washington.
1591
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:47,780
He never forgot the friends, the people he
loved.
1592
01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:52,520
Playing with Mike Dillard again was certainly
a weird idea.
1593
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:54,870
Let's get the old drummer in the band.
1594
01:34:54,890 --> 01:35:00,230
Let's go back to when we were sitting in a
fucking shitty, stinky garage or basement and
1595
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,760
let's bring Dillard back in.
1596
01:35:01,980 --> 01:35:03,800
You know, it'll be fun.
1597
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:09,560
Alternative Tentacles had put out the
original Melvins demos, which are called the
1598
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,970
Mangled Demos. I remember saying, like, you
guys should do shows now since you put that
1599
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:16,670
record out and Buzz is like.
1600
01:35:17,410 --> 01:35:18,460
Yeah, that's a good idea.
1601
01:35:18,460 --> 01:35:19,630
But. But you have to play.
1602
01:35:19,630 --> 01:35:21,550
Bass because there's no way I'm going to.
1603
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,030
I'm looking and I'm sure there's no way he's
going to want to do this.
1604
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,680
Sure, I'll do it. The thing that kind of
made it happen was Jello Biafra was having
1605
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,200
his big Jello Five-O, his 50th birthday
party.
1606
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,760
We got Dilla to play with us and had that
version of the Melvins play.
1607
01:35:37,060 --> 01:35:42,160
And so that was the first time we did it and
we pretty much just played old songs.
1608
01:35:55,420 --> 01:35:57,670
To go back and and play with Buzz.
1609
01:35:57,700 --> 01:35:58,930
First of all, was weird.
1610
01:35:59,290 --> 01:36:06,670
It wasn't weird. It was cool because just
being reunited in a musical setting was was
1611
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:07,720
really good again.
1612
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:13,930
Mike. Can only really play with us when he
has some vacation time.
1613
01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:18,490
I mean, Dillard's got a family that makes it
to where we can't.
1614
01:36:18,490 --> 01:36:20,140
You know, I told I keep telling him, abandon
them.
1615
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:21,760
Just abandon the family.
1616
01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:22,460
Just leave.
1617
01:36:22,510 --> 01:36:23,230
Disappear.
1618
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:23,920
Disappear.
1619
01:36:40,530 --> 01:36:44,250
You know, hanging out with Mike. It's just
he's definitely one of us.
1620
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:47,470
Hey, buddy. One of us.
1621
01:36:47,770 --> 01:36:48,910
Being big, dumb, stupid.
1622
01:36:48,910 --> 01:36:51,640
Looking. Yeah. Big, dumb, stupid looking.
1623
01:36:59,340 --> 01:37:01,710
Next, a brief discussion for the tip.
1624
01:37:01,770 --> 01:37:03,630
My that goes on as well.
1625
01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:07,890
Next, a brief discussion for the G20 that
goes on as well.
1626
01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:14,280
Next to Greece technology company that does
not connect the Greek citizens of the.
1627
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:17,370
And it shows.
1628
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:19,890
It is fun. It fucking reflects that.
1629
01:37:19,890 --> 01:37:21,300
It's still valid.
1630
01:37:21,390 --> 01:37:26,190
They're still able to go back and capture
something, and that's where a lot of other
1631
01:37:26,190 --> 01:37:29,790
people fall short and those guys don't
because they pull it back in.
1632
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:33,630
You know, they're willing to go back there
and do something about it.
1633
01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:34,510
You.
1634
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:47,320
If I said the Dale Crover is the single
nicest person in the music industry, Trevor
1635
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,820
Dunn might be number two.
1636
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:57,040
I don't have any real objectivity anymore,
you know, because I'm part of this family and
1637
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,610
this and and these voices.
1638
01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:05,290
So, yeah, like watching that the Melvins Lite
tour were all of a sudden they're introducing
1639
01:38:05,290 --> 01:38:07,990
a stand up bass and making it fucking work.
1640
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:10,150
And not only work, but work righteously.
1641
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:12,490
I mean, that's amazing.
1642
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,600
You know that he can recognize that.
1643
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:19,810
And plus, then Trevor is such an insane
talent that, you know, what he's bringing to
1644
01:38:19,810 --> 01:38:21,640
the table was was phenomenal.
1645
01:38:21,850 --> 01:38:26,530
That was Trevor. After we'd done three albums
with the big business guys and hundreds and
1646
01:38:26,530 --> 01:38:28,960
hundreds of shows all over the world.
1647
01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:33,280
Um, I felt like it was time for us to do me
and Dale to do something different.
1648
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:37,290
I saw him play with Nels Cline, where he
played the stand up bass with an amp.
1649
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,420
Was playing upright and electric bass in that
group and.
1650
01:38:41,150 --> 01:38:42,590
You know, it's definitely a lot.
1651
01:38:43,130 --> 01:38:44,990
There's quite a bit of.
1652
01:38:46,980 --> 01:38:50,500
Jazz elements in that band, but also rock
and buzz.
1653
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,100
I invited Buzz that show and he showed up
and afterwards he said, Man, we got to
1654
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:59,100
incorporate some of that stuff in the
Melvins, you know, because I was using the Bo
1655
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:02,670
and, you know, doing free improv and.
1656
01:39:04,460 --> 01:39:05,870
And I was kind of surprised.
1657
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:07,580
I had played with Trevor a whole lot in
Panama.
1658
01:39:08,150 --> 01:39:11,000
I knew he was a really good player, a really
good guy.
1659
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:14,690
I traveled with him extensively, so I knew
he wasn't psychotic.
1660
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,140
He might be crazy, but he's not going to,
you know, he's not psychotic.
1661
01:39:18,140 --> 01:39:20,960
So I knew that touring was going to be a
problem.
1662
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:22,460
I mean, he also.
1663
01:39:23,180 --> 01:39:26,210
Is been getting more into jazz in the past
few years.
1664
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:29,630
He's been really into some of the electric.
1665
01:39:30,281 --> 01:39:37,857
Mild stuff and and a few different jazz
things, which is, you know, again, it's
1666
01:39:38,464 --> 01:39:39,440
surprising.
1667
01:39:40,475 --> 01:39:41,759
Adding a stand up bass.
1668
01:39:41,852 --> 01:39:44,437
Yeah, that sounds a little bit crazy, you
know, on the surface.
1669
01:39:45,812 --> 01:39:49,189
But if you saw the shows, you realize, hey,
it's a Melvin show.
1670
01:39:50,136 --> 01:39:53,762
It looks different, it sounds a little
different, but it's still the same animal.
1671
01:39:54,597 --> 01:39:59,012
I had this idea to do this, maybe try this
Melvins lite thing, which is us playing
1672
01:39:59,776 --> 01:40:03,990
through me, playing through a smaller amp
and playing through standard bass and through
1673
01:40:05,112 --> 01:40:06,487
an amp, and Dale playing a smaller drum set.
1674
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:13,975
Fresno, Bakersfield, San Luis Obispo.
1675
01:40:40,554 --> 01:40:45,936
I mean, don't know how long buzz had been
thinking about it, but I feel like I think it
1676
01:40:46,631 --> 01:40:50,350
was when we were doing that first sort of
warm up tour in California.
1677
01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:55,932
I was staying at his place and one morning
he got up and.
1678
01:40:58,908 --> 01:41:02,800
And and and had this idea for a long time
that I wanted to do all 50 states plus D.C.
1679
01:41:03,228 --> 01:41:03,820
in 51 days.
1680
01:41:04,495 --> 01:41:06,127
Said, man, I have this idea to play all 50
states and 50 days.
1681
01:41:07,072 --> 01:41:07,567
And I said, that's insane.
1682
01:41:08,911 --> 01:41:11,295
And and the next day he got up and he said,
man, I don't know.
1683
01:41:11,562 --> 01:41:12,705
I can't stop thinking about it.
1684
01:41:13,823 --> 01:41:14,999
This lineup, I think we could do it.
1685
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:16,806
It's small, it's compact.
1686
01:41:18,125 --> 01:41:19,014
It's less people.
1687
01:41:20,359 --> 01:41:25,438
And so we started planning a then that was a
year and a half before we actually started
1688
01:41:26,166 --> 01:41:27,085
that tour.
1689
01:41:27,974 --> 01:41:33,693
Literally the next day he called his booking
agent and the guy said, that's that's nuts.
1690
01:41:34,121 --> 01:41:34,785
First day I.
1691
01:41:35,144 --> 01:41:35,977
Talked to him, they were like, you're insane.
1692
01:41:36,289 --> 01:41:38,215
That's never going to work. That's the
craziest thing you've ever heard.
1693
01:41:39,464 --> 01:41:41,799
The next day I talked to him and they go, we
think it's a great idea.
1694
01:41:41,736 --> 01:41:43,241
We could totally do it, you know?
1695
01:41:44,444 --> 01:41:47,253
But if you really want to do it, we should
start booking it now, which was a year in
1696
01:41:48,020 --> 01:41:51,100
advance because there's there was no there's
no flexibility with that.
1697
01:41:51,932 --> 01:41:55,243
You know, you can't take a day off and move
a few days around.
1698
01:41:56,003 --> 01:41:59,700
And they had to be really careful with the
routing so that we weren't killing ourselves,
1699
01:42:00,372 --> 01:42:01,516
you know, with eight hour drives every day.
1700
01:42:02,099 --> 01:42:03,242
So.
1701
01:42:03,804 --> 01:42:04,587
We booked that tour.
1702
01:42:05,396 --> 01:42:10,330
And had that tour booked before we had the
record recorded.
1703
01:42:11,146 --> 01:42:15,946
So a full year before we did our first show,
we had it booked.
1704
01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:21,154
Literally for my seemed like from my
perspective, three days after his initial
1705
01:42:21,794 --> 01:42:23,347
idea, it was they started booking it.
1706
01:42:23,841 --> 01:42:27,906
So that's I mean, that's not the way I work.
1707
01:42:29,065 --> 01:42:30,713
I sit on ideas for years.
1708
01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:39,329
I know that he got the idea from.
1709
01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:44,058
George Stillgoode because he had tried to do
it back in the 80s.
1710
01:42:45,193 --> 01:42:47,744
I was exhausted every night, all the way to
the end.
1711
01:42:48,408 --> 01:42:49,208
I was just beat.
1712
01:42:49,721 --> 01:42:55,208
I would go back to the hotel and crash, and
so I really needed my sleep and I needed to
keep my stamina up
1713
01:42:56,363 --> 01:42:58,851
So we were saying, This stuff in the press like, yeah,
1714
01:42:58,894 --> 01:43:00,398
George Thorogood had tried to do this tour but
1715
01:43:00,910 --> 01:43:02,886
didn't make it, and we're going to try to do
it.
1716
01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:07,458
We're going to try to go for the Guinness
Book of World Records of doing all 50 states.
1717
01:43:08,208 --> 01:43:11,272
We'll throw in Washington, D.C., making it
51 shows in a row.
1718
01:43:12,087 --> 01:43:18,191
The bulk of the tour really the the middle
five weeks of it really kind of kind of flew
1719
01:43:18,942 --> 01:43:23,031
by. It was towards the end of the tour we
were we suddenly realized there were, you
1720
01:43:23,598 --> 01:43:28,110
know, ten shows left and, and we were all
sort of surprised that it was that it had
1721
01:43:28,686 --> 01:43:29,239
gone that fast.
1722
01:43:38,111 --> 01:43:40,430
Generated a lot of hype, which was the idea.
1723
01:43:41,357 --> 01:43:44,165
We're gonna do this stunt, you know, total
P.T.
1724
01:43:45,110 --> 01:43:47,693
Barnum hype tour, which worked.
1725
01:43:48,869 --> 01:43:49,598
Worked great.
1726
01:43:51,028 --> 01:43:54,079
They just never want to be in a position
where I'm tied into one thing ever again.
1727
01:43:54,572 --> 01:43:56,989
It's too hard, you know, if something
happens.
1728
01:43:57,637 --> 01:44:02,308
So that's why after those three records, we
were able to do that record with Trevor and
1729
01:44:02,957 --> 01:44:05,005
Peak Records and Melvins Lite and.
1730
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:08,220
Record with Mike Dillard.
1731
01:44:08,892 --> 01:44:10,852
You know, I mean, that's not that's all part
of the same thing.
1732
01:44:15,951 --> 01:44:18,959
What happened with this acoustic thing was
it was something I wanted to do for a long
1733
01:44:19,546 --> 01:44:21,009
time. I didn't know if it would really work.
1734
01:44:22,123 --> 01:44:23,315
So I did this thing with Ernie Ball.
1735
01:44:23,996 --> 01:44:25,443
Strings. Where?
1736
01:44:26,083 --> 01:44:27,403
I go on there and let them.
1737
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:31,403
Screw with my guitar, and then I play a live
acoustic song.
1738
01:44:32,171 --> 01:44:34,169
And I did that mostly.
1739
01:44:35,227 --> 01:44:38,291
Well, mostly because they were super nice to
do it, but also as a way for me to see if
1740
01:44:38,842 --> 01:44:40,698
anyone is interested in that sort of thing.
1741
01:44:41,305 --> 01:44:42,274
And it went well.
1742
01:44:42,705 --> 01:44:44,002
I got a good reaction from people, so I was
like, okay.
1743
01:44:44,649 --> 01:44:50,041
So then I recorded a ten inch EP with with
six songs, two of which were acoustic Melvins
1744
01:44:51,106 --> 01:44:52,298
songs that weren't good.
1745
01:44:52,326 --> 01:44:54,901
So then I was like, okay, I'm ready.
I'm going to do an album, full album.
1746
01:44:56,237 --> 01:44:58,086
And then.
1747
01:44:58,964 --> 01:45:01,441
Do a bunch of touring all over the whole
world by myself.
1748
01:45:03,145 --> 01:45:05,857
I'm not sure. A brand new thing, so we'll
see.
1749
01:45:06,511 --> 01:45:08,295
So it was the first time I've ever done
this.
1750
01:45:08,761 --> 01:45:10,144
And since you guys didn't pay yet, bitch.
1751
01:45:10,927 --> 01:45:15,592
Yeah. That's right. Okay, well, you can
bitch, but no one can.
1752
01:45:16,561 --> 01:45:21,632
I didn't want to do anything that was too
obscure or too singer songwriter obscure.
1753
01:45:22,584 --> 01:45:27,080
Meaning? You know, like me up there singing
like a bad version of James Taylor, which
1754
01:45:27,719 --> 01:45:31,071
seems to be the main thing that people do
with acoustic guitar is I didn't want to do
1755
01:45:31,703 --> 01:45:32,670
that. That's not me.
1756
01:45:33,846 --> 01:45:34,783
What good is at least.
1757
01:45:35,463 --> 01:45:37,079
At least left with following?
1758
01:45:39,966 --> 01:45:41,591
Holding the head of the.
1759
01:45:45,959 --> 01:45:48,190
Not slowly, not lightly.
1760
01:45:54,741 --> 01:45:56,597
I wanted to do something that was more.
1761
01:45:59,773 --> 01:46:02,773
More like what? What I would sound like with
an acoustic.
1762
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:06,868
The funny thing, you hear some absurd stuff
like people saying things like, well, you
1763
01:46:07,372 --> 01:46:09,661
know, this acoustic record just sounds like
the Melvins with acoustic.
1764
01:46:10,428 --> 01:46:11,452
Well, what would it sound like?
1765
01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:13,388
I write this stuff, you know?
1766
01:46:34,658 --> 01:46:37,859
Hey me and and weighed.
1767
01:46:38,373 --> 01:46:40,099
In. Our hard men are invisible.
1768
01:46:41,323 --> 01:46:45,563
I was appreciated everywhere I went in a way
that I could never have imagined.
1769
01:46:47,427 --> 01:46:48,243
And I couldn't have been happier.
1770
01:46:49,091 --> 01:46:52,028
I'm more than willing to go out there and do
that a lot more in the future.
1771
01:46:52,874 --> 01:46:53,883
You know, it went good.
1772
01:46:54,674 --> 01:46:56,850
I had a great time doing it, but, you know,
you're up there by yourself.
1773
01:46:57,390 --> 01:46:58,982
I don't have any other instrumentation to
hide behind.
1774
01:46:59,770 --> 01:47:00,618
I kind of like that.
1775
01:47:01,738 --> 01:47:03,170
It's a roll of the dice every single night.
1776
01:47:04,506 --> 01:47:05,202
And. You got to.
1777
01:47:05,706 --> 01:47:07,729
You got to convince these people on your
own.
1778
01:47:08,777 --> 01:47:11,049
I like that. I like that a great deal.
1779
01:47:23,637 --> 01:47:27,045
Plus called me up and said, you know, this
solo thing is going better than I thought it
1780
01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:29,060
would, and I feel bad.
1781
01:47:30,173 --> 01:47:33,773
Can you? I heard you guys are kind of
looking for someone to, you know, fill in for
1782
01:47:34,756 --> 01:47:37,341
Mario. Do you think you could throw the guy
a bone?
1783
01:47:48,655 --> 01:47:53,224
When you're being initiated into off, you've
got to like give up part of your life.
1784
01:47:54,064 --> 01:47:56,943
So he's doing this first tour for free.
1785
01:48:08,702 --> 01:48:13,406
What he has to do, he has to load everything
in and out of the trailer on the van.
1786
01:48:15,150 --> 01:48:17,622
We're going to be in Florida, and we're going
to be right in the middle of Alligator Alley,
1787
01:48:18,206 --> 01:48:20,726
and we're going to stop for gas, and I'm
just going to drive off and leave all these
1788
01:48:21,286 --> 01:48:22,493
guys at the gas station.
1789
01:48:23,854 --> 01:48:27,069
When it comes to the Melvins, to me, it's
like they don't sit, you know, sit around
1790
01:48:27,662 --> 01:48:31,358
doubting whether they should do it anymore
or do people care, or should we break up to
1791
01:48:31,909 --> 01:48:34,542
make people care about us so they'll go to
our next reunion tour?
1792
01:48:35,077 --> 01:48:36,685
It's like, no, just keep going.
1793
01:48:37,125 --> 01:48:40,237
Don't ask anybody's permission whether they
want you there or not.
1794
01:48:40,772 --> 01:48:42,741
You know, just like, just keep going.
1795
01:48:50,668 --> 01:48:54,140
Jared from the big business told us that his
girlfriend is going to have a baby.
1796
01:48:55,196 --> 01:48:56,972
And so we had this big tour we were going to
plan.
1797
01:49:02,545 --> 01:49:04,089
It didn't seem like a good idea for him to
go.
1798
01:49:04,612 --> 01:49:07,913
So we got Jeff Pinkus from the Butthole
Surfers to sit in on that tour, and it went
1799
01:49:08,537 --> 01:49:09,545
great. He did a great job.
1800
01:49:10,032 --> 01:49:10,752
We had a lot of fun.
1801
01:49:23,445 --> 01:49:29,860
They asked me if honky was available to to
open up for the Melvins for tour, and I was
1802
01:49:30,580 --> 01:49:32,460
like, oh fuck yeah, I don't know what's on
my schedule.
1803
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:34,383
But of course would do that.
1804
01:49:35,796 --> 01:49:40,917
And, uh, it turned out that it was for me to
play bass with them and for Dale to play
1805
01:49:41,851 --> 01:49:43,803
drums with honky, which he has done before.
1806
01:49:44,572 --> 01:49:50,203
So basically it was a good money saving move
by bus because he's quite a business man and
1807
01:49:50,851 --> 01:49:55,515
he got a really great deal at a, on a really
mid-range kind of band.
1808
01:49:56,843 --> 01:50:03,042
And, you know, we just kind of got to talking
and decided that maybe we should do more and,
1809
01:50:04,089 --> 01:50:05,570
and that we could involve Paul Leary.
1810
01:50:06,165 --> 01:50:13,053
And do an expanded album that's a melvins
album with me, Dale, Paul Leary and Pinkus
1811
01:50:13,799 --> 01:50:17,329
and the record. I'm really, really, really
happy with it because we're huge fans of that
1812
01:50:17,951 --> 01:50:19,503
stuff. Huge Butthole Surfers fans.
1813
01:50:20,493 --> 01:50:23,980
I think Paul is one of the my favorite
guitar players of all time, so it's a real
1814
01:50:24,557 --> 01:50:25,437
treat to be working with him.
1815
01:50:26,108 --> 01:50:26,869
So this is.
1816
01:50:27,315 --> 01:50:28,340
This is almost a way where we could work with
him.
1817
01:50:28,908 --> 01:50:34,133
And then also he brought in songs, you know,
both those guys brought in songs and which is
1818
01:50:34,692 --> 01:50:37,220
good because I think if you're going to do a
collaboration with somebody like that, you
1819
01:50:37,755 --> 01:50:38,620
know, let them do their thing.
1820
01:50:51,299 --> 01:50:55,179
Well, I got a call from Pincus one day asking
if I was interested in playing on an album,
1821
01:50:56,202 --> 01:50:57,731
and my first response was just hell yeah.
1822
01:50:59,186 --> 01:51:02,443
This is a good experience working on this
record, and I think buzz being a baseball fan
1823
01:51:03,202 --> 01:51:04,738
like he is, he sped up the song.
1824
01:51:05,634 --> 01:51:10,986
That's kind of like a lineup card for the
hitters, and it starts off with a heavy
1825
01:51:12,306 --> 01:51:18,842
hitter, and I think he thought he wrote the
Poppiest song Brass Cupcake and to kind of,
1826
01:51:19,778 --> 01:51:23,369
you know, pop up the record a little bit and
he got out popped by Paul.
1827
01:51:24,425 --> 01:51:28,577
Had written three songs before Pinkerton
contacted me, so I brought those to the table
1828
01:51:29,305 --> 01:51:31,361
and got Dale to play drums on those.
1829
01:51:32,041 --> 01:51:34,497
And then I took them home and edited and
added guitars and.
1830
01:51:36,056 --> 01:51:40,984
Had had the boys come over to do some
overdubs and whatnot at my house.
1831
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:45,991
Just one of those kind of things seem to all
happen really quick.
1832
01:51:59,986 --> 01:52:01,073
I think it's worked out great, you know?
1833
01:52:02,218 --> 01:52:05,777
I mean. We've been able to do different
things with people like that and keep it
1834
01:52:06,849 --> 01:52:08,273
interesting and and make it.
1835
01:52:09,977 --> 01:52:11,377
You know, those those guys are so, so fun in
the studio.
1836
01:52:12,201 --> 01:52:14,801
You know, they come in with a great,
positive attitude and everybody listens to
1837
01:52:15,896 --> 01:52:17,057
each other and everybody wants to please
each other.
1838
01:52:17,863 --> 01:52:20,768
And and at the end of the day, you're all
smiling and joking as opposed to wanting to
1839
01:52:21,776 --> 01:52:22,282
strangle each other.
1840
01:52:37,463 --> 01:52:38,567
People are influenced by the Melvins.
1841
01:52:39,256 --> 01:52:40,471
Don't really wear it on their sleeve that
way.
1842
01:52:41,137 --> 01:52:45,631
They're more inspired by the concept of the
Melvins and like the longevity and the the
1843
01:52:46,438 --> 01:52:48,575
humor and the art and stuff like that.
1844
01:52:49,495 --> 01:52:51,350
Their impact is so huge that.
1845
01:52:52,799 --> 01:52:54,287
It's not calculable.
1846
01:52:55,143 --> 01:52:55,814
At this point.
1847
01:52:56,590 --> 01:52:57,382
They brought.
1848
01:52:57,862 --> 01:53:01,038
They bring a lot of people along for the
ride, and those people get on the bus and
1849
01:53:01,638 --> 01:53:02,334
stay on the bus.
1850
01:53:02,926 --> 01:53:07,046
Got to be the most unmistakable person
anywhere, whether it's on stage or at a
1851
01:53:07,598 --> 01:53:09,822
ballpark. Camera's on him.
1852
01:53:10,350 --> 01:53:11,254
You're going to know that's buzz.
1853
01:53:11,981 --> 01:53:14,878
Going to come around to this philosophy of
just knowing.
1854
01:53:15,333 --> 01:53:20,077
What would Buzz Osborne do in each moment in
my life would be a lot easier.
1855
01:53:20,821 --> 01:53:23,797
Pleasantly surprised to find out that buzz
was a big sports fan.
1856
01:53:24,532 --> 01:53:25,573
Big baseball fan.
1857
01:53:26,604 --> 01:53:29,636
So we were talking quite a bit about sports
and baseball.
1858
01:53:30,284 --> 01:53:31,341
Buzz.
1859
01:53:31,861 --> 01:53:35,300
Has a mind that moves in a non-linear
direction.
1860
01:53:35,876 --> 01:53:41,956
It was pretty cool meeting buzz and and
everybody in the band, and have been and
1861
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:43,556
always will be a big fan.
1862
01:53:44,139 --> 01:53:46,740
They stick up for the underdog, which is what
punk rock is.
1863
01:53:47,171 --> 01:53:49,187
They surround themselves with really good
people.
1864
01:53:49,659 --> 01:53:50,995
They don't work with.
1865
01:53:51,531 --> 01:53:52,331
Assholes and jerks and egos.
1866
01:53:52,899 --> 01:54:01,266
It's just very family oriented, which bring
up a little light bulb at ring and it turned
1867
01:54:01,891 --> 01:54:07,066
bright and it said, that's the key to make a
band last for 30 years, just like the people
1868
01:54:07,634 --> 01:54:08,426
you're with.
1869
01:54:08,922 --> 01:54:11,530
There were a couple of times where I'm like,
man, the Melvins are going to just endure
1870
01:54:12,673 --> 01:54:16,505
because these fuckers are great, and I don't
care if I'm like the only one who knows that.
1871
01:54:17,210 --> 01:54:18,922
You know, things. Things for the band are.
1872
01:54:19,578 --> 01:54:24,473
Better than ever. I mean, we just did a
really successful US tour, which was.
1873
01:54:25,322 --> 01:54:29,945
I don't know, possibly our best one that
we've done as far as attendance, a lot of
1874
01:54:30,464 --> 01:54:31,193
sold out shows.
1875
01:54:31,961 --> 01:54:32,945
I don't feel like.
1876
01:54:33,616 --> 01:54:37,121
It's a good idea to start saying, this
show's important.
1877
01:54:37,625 --> 01:54:38,880
This one's not as important, you know.
1878
01:54:40,072 --> 01:54:41,128
They're all important.
1879
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:43,391
They're all part of the same thing.
1880
01:54:44,223 --> 01:54:51,928
I think that nose to the grindstone work
ethic is why the Melvins have been able to
1881
01:54:52,704 --> 01:54:58,671
continue playing, and even growing and even
growing their audience all these years.
1882
01:55:00,344 --> 01:55:04,912
What's weird that I've noticed is that our
audience still seems to stay the same age.
1883
01:55:06,158 --> 01:55:09,695
25 to 35 all over.
1884
01:55:10,598 --> 01:55:11,358
So you know.
1885
01:55:11,982 --> 01:55:18,007
Certainly. I can see there's older people at
our gigs, but but, you know, they're the
1886
01:55:18,566 --> 01:55:21,246
minority. There's there's definitely a
younger crowd and.
1887
01:55:22,847 --> 01:55:28,165
You know, you look out and you go, yeah,
we'd already been a band for like ten, 20
1888
01:55:28,862 --> 01:55:30,669
years before this person was even born.
1889
01:55:33,542 --> 01:55:36,726
I just like the fact that they didn't strive
to be like anything else.
1890
01:55:37,237 --> 01:55:39,124
I mean, they sort of created their own
thing.
1891
01:55:40,357 --> 01:55:42,236
And then people follow them.
1892
01:55:42,852 --> 01:55:48,228
It was really interesting watching an
audience come to them because, you know, back
1893
01:55:48,780 --> 01:55:49,509
then nobody liked it.
1894
01:55:49,996 --> 01:55:50,700
Everybody fucking hated it.
1895
01:55:51,333 --> 01:55:54,316
I'm happy that there's people that want to
see us everywhere we go.
1896
01:55:54,812 --> 01:55:55,811
I'm really happy about that.
1897
01:55:59,164 --> 01:56:03,951
It's good. I think they let everybody know
pretty early on that they weren't, you know,
1898
01:56:04,230 --> 01:56:06,092
that they were just kind of going to do
their own thing with the Melvins.
1899
01:56:06,814 --> 01:56:10,123
It wasn't just about the music, it was about
the attitude that was fueling that music, you
1900
01:56:11,844 --> 01:56:15,276
know? And we just naturally gravitated
towards that.
1901
01:56:16,044 --> 01:56:19,011
We just naturally gravitated towards the
fact that it was like, fuck you.
1902
01:56:19,468 --> 01:56:22,731
We're going to fuck and play what we want
and we don't give a shit whether you're with
1903
01:56:23,364 --> 01:56:25,171
us or not. This is what we want to fucking
do.
1904
01:56:27,011 --> 01:56:31,402
As music fans, we operate the way that we
would appreciate other bands operating.
1905
01:56:32,803 --> 01:56:33,747
That's the best way to look at it.
1906
01:56:34,298 --> 01:56:35,834
The strongest thing I've learned from them.
1907
01:56:36,467 --> 01:56:37,131
And taken.
1908
01:56:37,587 --> 01:56:40,179
From all of that, is that the vision, your
own vision is.
1909
01:56:41,035 --> 01:56:49,913
To be defended on all all fronts and no
compromise is is is a good thing.
1910
01:56:50,915 --> 01:56:53,897
There are groups that that have lasted a.
1911
01:56:54,426 --> 01:56:56,089
Really long time, but they're just constantly
repeating themselves.
1912
01:56:57,018 --> 01:56:57,826
And that kind of gets old.
1913
01:56:58,633 --> 01:57:03,321
And then there are artists that constantly
reinvent themselves, which is very difficult
1914
01:57:04,216 --> 01:57:07,586
to do. And it's like, that's going to be a
more of a roller coaster ride, because you're
1915
01:57:08,154 --> 01:57:10,784
not going to be able to please everyone all
the time.
1916
01:57:11,224 --> 01:57:12,896
So there are going to be periods.
1917
01:57:13,352 --> 01:57:17,698
It's, you know, your career is going to be
judged upon like these, these periods in, in,
1918
01:57:18,409 --> 01:57:20,640
you know, like David Bowie.
1919
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:27,079
It makes sense to me when you look at the arc
of a lot of people's careers where there
1920
01:57:27,687 --> 01:57:33,072
might be like a really high high and, and
the, the lows are almost identical at the end
1921
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:34,327
and in the beginning.
1922
01:57:34,832 --> 01:57:37,048
But the joy of doing it never really
changes.
1923
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:43,023
Sometimes the high highs is the area where
the joy of doing it is the lowest.
1924
01:57:43,918 --> 01:57:44,934
I've seen that a lot.
1925
01:57:45,575 --> 01:57:46,838
One of a kind for sure.
1926
01:57:47,495 --> 01:57:49,510
You know, 30 years still try to make.
1927
01:57:50,575 --> 01:57:52,294
I can think of many.
1928
01:57:54,007 --> 01:57:55,838
Bands or artists like that.
1929
01:57:56,246 --> 01:57:57,749
Maybe David Bowie is like that.
1930
01:57:58,270 --> 01:57:59,470
Each album sounds different, you know?
1931
01:58:00,541 --> 01:58:01,349
And I think when you play.
1932
01:58:01,886 --> 01:58:06,637
The music you want to play and you, you don't
consider outsiders, you just consider what
1933
01:58:07,246 --> 01:58:08,333
what do we want to do?
1934
01:58:08,756 --> 01:58:10,094
You're sort of always happy.
1935
01:58:10,789 --> 01:58:12,469
It's like. Like going to a burrito place.
1936
01:58:13,516 --> 01:58:13,988
Where?
1937
01:58:14,540 --> 01:58:16,108
They go flour, corn and you just make your
own.
1938
01:58:16,533 --> 01:58:18,076
You always love that burrito because you
made it yourself.
1939
01:58:19,580 --> 01:58:20,941
You know. So they're like an awesome
burrito.
1940
01:58:21,485 --> 01:58:22,820
That's what's amazing about them, is they.
1941
01:58:23,780 --> 01:58:25,956
Have this ability to.
1942
01:58:26,501 --> 01:58:27,229
Adapt.
1943
01:58:27,796 --> 01:58:29,188
Yet still be themselves.
1944
01:58:29,684 --> 01:58:30,699
I don't know.
1945
01:58:31,197 --> 01:58:36,132
What buzzes imagination would have, but if
know like if he and Dale wanted to play with,
1946
01:58:37,012 --> 01:58:41,083
you know, if they want to play with jello
again, or if they wanted to play Devo or
1947
01:58:41,596 --> 01:58:44,882
whoever, like or be in the Stooges or be in
the Stooges, like, or whatever, like that
1948
01:58:45,356 --> 01:58:46,059
could totally work.
1949
01:58:46,699 --> 01:58:50,874
I have seen the Melvins collaborate with
many, many different things and people, so I
1950
01:58:51,531 --> 01:58:53,442
would love to one day.
1951
01:58:54,235 --> 01:58:57,067
Well, that's good because we're going to ask
you, okay, let's do.
1952
01:58:57,770 --> 01:58:58,346
It. It's done. Excellent.
1953
01:58:59,035 --> 01:59:00,842
We're a particular incarnation of the
Melvins.
1954
01:59:01,659 --> 01:59:02,027
Yeah.
1955
01:59:02,723 --> 01:59:03,521
And when it's happening, it's happening.
1956
01:59:04,011 --> 01:59:06,882
But I mean, ultimately, you know, the
Melvins are buzzing.
1957
01:59:07,323 --> 01:59:08,443
Dale, there's no end in sight for.
1958
01:59:09,978 --> 01:59:10,554
The Melvins, that's for sure.
1959
01:59:11,169 --> 01:59:13,625
I can't foresee us stopping any time soon.
1960
01:59:14,449 --> 01:59:15,466
I don't know why we would.
1961
01:59:16,249 --> 01:59:19,662
You know, the Rolling Stones can host hoist
themselves on stage.
1962
01:59:20,199 --> 01:59:20,862
Why can't we?
1963
01:59:23,129 --> 01:59:24,785
Good luck to you, and it's always a pleasure.
1964
01:59:25,265 --> 01:59:25,722
Thank you.
1965
01:59:26,553 --> 01:59:28,090
Hey, it was the first.
1966
01:59:30,601 --> 01:59:31,648
Were the first and then the last.
1967
01:59:32,266 --> 01:59:32,609
I'm sure.
1968
01:59:33,219 --> 01:59:35,347
The last band standing at the Melvins.
1969
01:59:36,161 --> 01:59:37,185
Long lived Melvins.
1970
01:59:41,139 --> 01:59:42,907
That all that I can do, man.174860
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