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In May 1945, American soldiers
crawled into a cave
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in these mountains behind me
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and uncovered a treasure trove.
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Over 6,500 paintings, 2,300 drawings
and watercolours,
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and over 1,000 pieces of sculpture
and tapestries.
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From 1939, as the Nazis swept
through Europe,
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they not only destroyed homes and
decimated populations.
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They also plundered
cultural property
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from every territory they occupied.
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But what else were they after?
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Why did much of it end up in caves?
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And how much is still out there
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waiting to be discovered?
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The Nazis were so keen to get their
hands on all of Europe's
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treasures for two reasons.
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One was because it would
establish Germany
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as the centre of world culture.
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And two, because individual Nazis
wanted to line their own pockets.
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It was the largest art theft
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that the world has ever known.
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It was taken from all over Europe.
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And God knows how many
pieces of art
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that the Nazis actually accumulated.
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The Monuments Men were an
international organisation.
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Their job was to go out into Europe
and into Southeast Asia
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and collect the vast amount of
looted treasure,
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artworks and artefacts.
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It's nearly impossible to put a
finger on the value of the art,
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the gold, the relics that
the Nazis stole.
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It has to be in the tens of
billions...
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..if not more.
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From 1939 to 1945,
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the deadliest conflict in the
history of mankind,
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the Second World War, raged.
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But beneath the bombs and amongst
the marching armies,
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another perhaps often overlooked
battle was going on.
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The fight to stop the Nazis from
stealing the cultural
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treasures of Europe.
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By 1943, Nazi plundering had risen
to such heights
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that the Allies created a special
division to fight back.
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They were known as
the Monuments Men.
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They consisted of just a
few hundred men
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and leading it was a group
of museum directors,
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curators and art scholars who were
all signed up to military duties.
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Their job description was simple -
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to save as much of the culture of
Europe as they could during combat.
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The Nazis were so obsessed
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to gather Europe's treasures
and relics
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for several reasons.
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One - national pride.
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Two - they wanted to demonstrate
that they uniquely had
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ancient Aryan origins
and that they were worthy
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of these relics,
and only they alone.
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And third - it was residual wealth
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to fund their ever-increasing
war booty.
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So, the Monuments Men were formed
into a platoon
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and basically put in the front line
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to get to the artworks and the
monuments as quickly as possible
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to stop them being destroyed
by the Nazis,
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or hidden away at the bottom of a
lake or in a salt mine or whatever.
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So, incredibly brave,
very knowledgeable people,
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who did manage to recover
a lot of artwork.
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They were experts in art
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and sculpture and artefacts.
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But also, they were preservers -
they had techniques
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for preserving the artwork
that they found.
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They had a list of all the treasures
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and the arts and the relics and the
rest of it that had been plundered
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from various cultural centres like
the Louvre and other museums
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and they wanted to go
and grab it back
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from the Nazis, and they did this
actually before the end of the war.
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Europe was still one giant
battlefield, but they felt about it
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so strongly that they wanted to go
out and risk life and limb
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to get back these treasures which
the Nazis had taken
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with no compunction whatsoever.
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Once the war was over,
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the extent to which the Nazis
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had pillaged Europe's treasures
became clear.
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The big question was, where had they
stashed it?
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And so the Monuments Men were given
a new task - to find it.
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The quest for answers
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took them to the Austrian Alps.
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And deep inside the Altaussee
salt mines,
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the Monuments Men hit the jackpot.
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They discovered that this
series of mines,
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stretching some 60km
inside the mountain,
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was used by the Nazis to store some
of their most precious stolen art.
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Its location is remote
and hard to reach
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but I'm meeting local mountain guide
Marc Unterberger
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to help unravel the secrets
of the mines.
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Oh, wow.
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It's a pretty good hiding place.
JAMIE LAUGHS
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So, what did the Monuments Men
find down here?
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So, they find the most...or one of
the biggest art collections
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during the Second World War.
During this time,
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they hide here in the mountain 7,000
pieces of paintings, sculptures,
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documents, gold, a little bit,
and also other stuff.
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And so, that's an enormous
collection.
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Yes, it's... Do we know what
the value was?
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You can't count it
because until today
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if you say, "What's the price
of the Madonna?"
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you don't have any...
Sure. Any ideas.
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And what kind of artists are we
talking about?
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I mean they were... So, we have all
the big old artists
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like Rubens, Michelangelo,
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Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Van Eyck.
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Also the biggest or the important...
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What they find in here,
the Ghent Altar.
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When they set out to see what they
could find, they were shocked
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at the hoards of fine art, of gold,
of silver, of stash of the Nazis
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of one kind or another, and they
were quite horrified
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cos it gave them an inkling as to
the magnitude
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of what had just gone on - they had
no idea it was a huge movement,
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and most of the museums of Europe
had been depleted.
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Going ever deeper into
the labyrinth of tunnels,
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we were heading towards a cave
known as Springerwerk,
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one of the locations of
the stolen art.
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Which way are we going?
We're going this way - straight. OK.
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So, now, 700 metres deep in the
mountain, we're getting
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to one of the eight storage rooms,
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the so-called Springerwerk.
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You can already see the
wood constructions.
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Yeah. And they begin to build
everything here in the mountain
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in summer '43.
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And in the winter of '43,
the first paintings
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get here in the mountain.
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Right, OK. So, this is the room
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where the pictures
and the artwork... Exactly.
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It's not only...
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This room, what you see in front of
you,
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it's this big chamber we're standing
right now. Oh, yeah - wow!
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Look at this. And to build
everything in the mountain beneath,
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over 1,200 cubic metres of wood.
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Right, to secure the tunnels.
Exactly.
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And what's this? "Vorsicht..."
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My German's not so good.
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You see...
MARC READS IN GERMAN
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What means, "Attention -
marble. Don't drop."
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Because if we open the box,
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we can see why we should
not drop it.
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What is it? This is a bomb
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which was dropped over Linz during
the Second World War
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and which did not explode,
and the Gauleiter decided
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to blow all the art in the mountain
during the last days of the war up
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so that everything was destroyed.
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So, this is an unexploded bomb?
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Exactly.
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Fine. And, uh...
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The reason why they had bombs here
was because when the...
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If the Allies had discovered the
artworks, they were going
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to blow everything up. Exactly.
So, before they can discover it,
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the Nazis decided if the
Third Reich goes away,
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it goes away with all the warriors
and also with the art.
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Right - so, if the Nazis weren't
going to have it, no-one was going
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to have it. Exactly.
OK, we'll put this down very gently.
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The Monuments Men worked
very closely
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with intelligence teams and
divisions and they were able to talk
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to local people, displaced persons,
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and uncover a huge amount of
information about what had been
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hidden where, because it takes
a lot of manpower
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to move that amount of material
into mines,
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seal it up, build the necessary
fortifications around it,
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and people talked about this.
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So, in some instances, the Monuments
Men found this information just
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by talking to locals.
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So, now, this is the place...
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..where all the art was
carried away,
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and you can see now
only the empty boxes.
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So, this very room
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would have housed artworks from
old masters... Exactly.
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..Vermeer, Rembrandt...
The big names we know
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we have here in this storage room.
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So, this would've been at the time
the most important
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art collection in the world.
Exactly.
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You can say until this time,
it's the...
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The treasury of the world.
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When it comes to valuing these
things, obviously if they ever were
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to come on the open market, we're
talking about millions and millions
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and millions of pounds. Sure.
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All stored in a mine
under the mountain.
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People watching this programme
will say,
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"What a ridiculous place to put
valuable works of art!"
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In a salt mine,
dripping with water.
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Damp, awful conditions - but
basically, you go into the salt mine
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where these works of art were stored
and you've got perfect conditions.
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It's perfectly dry.
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The conditions are, for some reason,
better than the basements
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of the Tate or anywhere else.
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And when you actually look
at the wood...
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..it's as if I'd sort of knocked the
nails in last week
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and created these frames.
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It was perfect. And that's why they
stored all the works of art there.
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Hitler's plan to keep all these
classic works of art preserved
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in such excellent condition
eventually worked to the benefit
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of the Monuments Men.
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And much of what was recovered
can now be found
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in museums across the world.
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But it wasn't just paintings stashed
in chambers like this one.
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The Nazis had stored lots of stolen
property in these mines,
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from sculptures to coin
collections and even gold.
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It's a little bit like the scene
in Raiders Of The Lost Ark,
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when they discover where all the
hidden artworks were held.
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This was... This was it.
This was literally the place.
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Certainly, and we're standing
right now where the pictures
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in the movies you see,
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here is where the past happens.
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And what would you say was the most
famous work of art
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that was kept down here?
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There is a lot of famous art
here in the mountain,
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but one of the important ones,
not only for me,
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was from Michelangelo,
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the Madonna, and also
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the Ghent Altar.
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So, if you can say this to...
what the most know.
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And was any of it damaged,
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or was it all kept in pretty
good...? No.
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Most... What's... What's here
in the mountain
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was just well-preserved
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because of the conditions.
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Uh...
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They didn't find everything here
in the mountains,
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they're not 100%.
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Just tiny pieces or a tiny part
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of the art got lost,
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but they don't know it if the...
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..if by the transport here
to the mine,
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in the mine, or as the soldiers,
the Americans
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take it away back to their owner.
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So, you're saying that there's
a possibility
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that there could still be treasure
down here?
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The one... Well, others say
maybe in the mine
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is still a piece of art.
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So, if you find this, yeah.
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You know what this means.
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You can keep it?
THEY LAUGH
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I don't know. I'll try it.
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If I find something, yeah.
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I'm not standing here.
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Yeah, we should start
looking, right?
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The Monuments Men were
incredibly successful
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in what they discovered in the
Altaussee mine in Austria,
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but also in other hiding places,
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like the Merkers mine in
Germany itself.
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Their efforts after the end
of the Second World War
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led to more than 5 million
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works of art being saved,
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including paintings by Van Eyck,
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Michelangelo, Rembrandt
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and even Da Vinci's Mona Lisa
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and the Last Supper.
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But despite their
monumental efforts,
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a huge amount of artworks
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are still missing,
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and so the search continues
to this day.
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Remarkably, there's even
a possibility
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that some of the stolen
Nazi treasure
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remains hidden in the Altaussee
mine itself,
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or the surrounding locality.
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Few people know the history
of the area better
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than local historian Hans Fuchs.
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There he is.
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Hi, Hans. Jamie. Hello. How are you?
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Hello. Come in. Thank you.
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Hello.
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Thanks for agreeing to meet me.
Hello, hello.
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So, I just had a fascinating
look around the mine.
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You were at the mine? It's amazing.
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It was great for you? Yeah.
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What have you got to show me?
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Jamie, I have a map for you.
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You can see we are here now,
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Steinberghaus, yes?
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You can see the Steinberghaus. Yeah.
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And here you go inside
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and you were here in Springerwerk.
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Yes.
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So, this is where I explored here...
Yes. ..where the paint...
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This is where the paintings and the
artwork was being...
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Where the paintings... ..was kept.
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Yes, but there are many other spots
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in the salt mine.
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That's here... Yeah. ..here, here.
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So, it... Can I go and...?
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Can I go and see these other places
as well?
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You can't go inside here because
it's very dangerous, yes? Right.
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Stones broke down and it's...
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So, the mine has collapsed?
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Yes, the mine has collapsed here.
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But this was a small room,
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what you're seeing,
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much more bigger... Really?
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..these spots, and all was filed
with artwork.
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Really? Yes.
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The vast amount of stolen art
discovered by the Monuments Men
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in the Altaussee salt mine
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is just one part of a network of
locations throughout Europe
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that held the Nazi stolen treasures.
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I have brought you a list.
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Yes?
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A list from the Nazis...
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..and the Monuments Men...
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..make a file... Right.
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..from Washington National Archive,
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and you can see how much
buildings,
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sculptures, crimes was...
Wow. So, OK...
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..was inside.
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So, this is declass... This is
declassified documents,
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and forgive... My German's
not very good.
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So, what is it telling us here?
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This is mosaics...?
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OK, uh...
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You can see 6,500 paintings
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aquarelles, graphics...
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Aquarelles meant...
This is watercolours?
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Watercolours, yes, yes.
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So, this is an extraordinary
amount.
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But here...1,200...
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HE SPEAKS GERMAN
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Boxes.
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And nobody knows what was
in the boxes, yes?
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So, these were like the crates that
I saw? Yes.
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The big wooden crates? Yes, yes.
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Is it possible that there could be
some other paintings or artwork
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hidden still in the mine?
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Maybe, maybe,
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but I cannot say it.
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Maybe. Sure.
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The Monuments Men were incredibly
successful.
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I think they were surprised
by their own success.
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We have photographs of them
standing by, you know,
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classic works of art.
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Standing by gold bullion stacked
as tall as they are.
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You know, jars full of gold teeth
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that presumably were taken
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from Holocaust victims.
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I mean, shock waves went through
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the Allies when they realised
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just the extent of how the Nazis
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had pillaged EVERYTHING in Europe.
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They found all these fabulous
works of art.
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That's one thing,
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but then they suddenly come
across bags and boxes
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that are absolutely
crammed full of gold fillings
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from people's teeth,
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and thousands and thousands of
gold wedding rings
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stored in the salt mines.
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But it wasn't just art
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that Hitler was after.
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In this museum here in front of me
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lies an altogether
different artefact
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that the Nazis took.
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The Hofburg Palace in Vienna
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was used by the Nazis to store
looted art.
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But it also held treasures of
its own.
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Hitler wanted to build his
Third Reich
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on strong cultural foundations
from the past,
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and so the Nazis also hunted
for relics,
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something Heinrich Himmler
knew a lot about.
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And one object in particular
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captured their attention.
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And this...is that object.
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Now back here in Vienna,
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it's called the Spear of Destiny,
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or the Holy Lance,
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and it's said to have pierced
the side of Christ himself
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at the time of the Crucifixion.
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Now, embedded within it,
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supposedly, is one of the nails
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that attached Jesus to the cross,
which, if you think about it,
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is an odd thing for an atheist
like Adolf Hitler
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to be interested in.
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It's hard to really separate what
Hitler was trying to acquire
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from what Himmler was trying
to acquire,
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but I think we could safely say
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Hitler wanted the fine art,
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the masterpieces
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of the classical world.
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Himmler wanted the relics,
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he wanted the Holy Grail,
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he wanted the crystal skulls.
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He wanted things that would prove
Germany's Aryan roots,
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and together, it was a quite
formidable combination.
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They were both very motivated
by this idea of the Aryan super race
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and the history of Aryanism
and Ariosophy,
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and for them this was more than just
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a political mantra.
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This was something that was
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almost spiritual in its veneration
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of the Germanic-ness
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and the Germanic race.
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But Himmler had this crackpot
occult side to him as well
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that Hitler gave him free rein
to indulge.
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Dr Franz Kirchweger is a curator at
the Hofburg Palace,
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and can shed some light on
why Hitler and the Nazis
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were so interested in the lance.
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Does the lance you have
in the museum
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actually date from the time of the
Crucifixion,
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and could it have been used to
pierce the side of Christ?
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It's incredibly difficult
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to give a definite answer
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about relics in any sense,
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and everywhere, whether they
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are real, coming from the time
of Christ,
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and whether they have been used
during the Passion of Christ.
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As far as the lance is concerned,
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the spear is concerned,
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we definitely know that the way
it looks like
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is from a different age
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than from Christ, Jesus Christ.
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It comes from the Carolingian time -
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that means late 8th century.
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Even if we have something
within the Holy Lance
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which is in the middle,
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which was understood as to come from
the Crucifixion of Christ
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as one of the holy nails,
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even if we could find a way to prove
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it comes from the time of
Jesus Christ,
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we will probably never know
if it was really used
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for this very specific moment
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that makes it a relic.
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So, for us, it's difficult,
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how to deal with,
believe and the knowledge.
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There is so much in between
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that makes it uncertain and unclear
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whether that's really the
real relic.
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Himmler was very centred
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upon the idea of relics,
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and of charging magically objects.
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He had the idea that he could
surround his SS officers in a room
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for a ritual,
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with alleged relics
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or certainly objects of
symbolic value
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that somehow would
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set off into the room magical vibes
that they could pick up on
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and that would fuel their souls
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in what might be termed evil.
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Himmler has his kind of
Nazi Camelot.
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So Wewelsburg Castle, a residence
that he bought before the war.
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He even had an
Arthurian round table there,
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and he wanted to bring to Wewelsburg
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the treasures from
the Passion of Christ.
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So, he wanted the Crown of Thorns,
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he wanted the Holy Grail,
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he wanted the Holy Lance,
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and he did manage to get some of
those things to Wewelsburg,
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in the hope that he could turn it
into this SS capital city
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and that he would be the
Nazi King Arthur
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and that the mystical power would
help them to win the war.
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It's OK for us to have people
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who want to believe these stories,
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and the ones that say,
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"No, we don't have this
specific proof."
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And I can tell you especially
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as far as the lance is concerned,
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we are still in the process,
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among scholars,
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to find out whether there
is a chance
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that small parts maybe
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of a former holy lance
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or of a former holy nail
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was integrated,
was forced into the lance.
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So there are options
that we can say for sure,
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"No, that's definitely not true,"
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or we can say,
"It's definitely true."
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So there is still a way of - even
for the ones who want to believe -
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to do so.
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It's not easy to get inside
the head of Himmler.
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But when you do, you realise his
quest for these ancient relics -
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whether it be the Spear of Destiny
or the Holy Grail or others -
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was not just for a trophy.
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Somehow, he felt that these objects
were talismans
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for the Nazis to become
the most prestigious power
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the planet has ever known.
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And that's what the quest was for.
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The quest was for power
through ancient relics.
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Although Hitler may not have been
quite so obsessed with relics,
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he certainly had a passion for art,
which originated from his youth.
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The young Adolf Hitler famously
failed to gain entrance
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to the Vienna Art Academy
here behind me.
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Apparently he was very good
at drawing buildings,
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less so people.
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But that didn't stop him
from believing himself
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to be an art connoisseur.
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And so once he'd come to power,
back in 1933, almost immediately
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his artistic preferences became law.
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Nowhere was this more apparent
than in the art festivals
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which took place in Munich
from 1937.
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The Great German Art Exhibition
was a grand display of works
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that Hitler approved of,
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from idealised soldiers
and landscapes to German women.
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A few streets away,
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the Degenerate Art exhibition
did the opposite.
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Here, people were invited to come
and laugh at modern abstract art,
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art that Hitler didn't like.
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He wanted the good stuff,
as he called it.
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He wanted the old masters,
the very valuable stuff.
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And so he wanted it from everywhere
that he took over -
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Czechoslovakia, Poland, France.
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He wanted all of the masters,
he wanted them over into Germany
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so he could have them,
so he could own them.
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But the other stuff,
the degenerative art,
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that had to be destroyed.
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But then, of course, they realised
that actually there was money in it,
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or, of course, it could be sold.
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A lot of it was destroyed,
a lot of it was sold.
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The big question, of course, is,
where did all this art come from?
507
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,920
The answer?
508
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,200
It was taken from Germany's
art galleries and museums
509
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,240
and stolen from its people.
510
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,840
In 1938, Austria was incorporated
into the Reich,
511
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,360
and more art became available to
the regime, and the Nazis took it.
512
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,360
It was the Reichsleiter Rosenberg
Institute that was set up,
513
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320
basically, to co-ordinate...
514
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,680
..bringing of all the works of art
from all around Europe to Germany.
515
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,080
As the Nazis moved into one country
after another,
516
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:39,560
they basically carry out the mass
looting of museums, of libraries.
517
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,400
They went for extraordinary things
like church bells.
518
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,120
They took all the stained glass out
of Strasbourg Cathedral
519
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,480
and shipped it off.
520
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,640
And some of these museums -
the Louvre, for example -
521
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,200
desperately tried to hide their
artworks before the Nazis arrived,
522
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,760
and the Nazis would have people
go out to find it
523
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,440
and bring it back into Germany.
524
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040
There was one artwork that Hitler
was especially keen
525
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,360
to get his hands on -
526
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,520
the Art of Painting
527
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,880
by the Dutch painter Vermeer.
528
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,800
But he faced a problem -
529
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,240
it couldn't simply be taken.
530
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840
And so he had to resort
to more legal means.
531
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,960
And in November 1940,
he acquired it through his agent...
532
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,760
..something that art expert
Konrad Kramar is very familiar with.
533
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Ah! And this is it,
the famous Vermeer!
534
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,120
It is. It's a beautiful painting.
It is.
535
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,800
And it's in a very small room
after all, interestingly.
536
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320
I mean, they could have placed it
in one of the big halls.
537
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520
But still, that's the place
where it is.
538
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,120
So it's fair to say that this was
one of Hitler's favourite paintings.
539
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,840
Well, even more than that,
it was his favourite painting.
540
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,320
And he was so obsessed by it
from its young days
541
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,440
that he wrote about it,
talked about it,
542
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,440
and when the time came, he found out
he couldn't loot it.
543
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Normally, he would ruthlessly
have them all looted,
544
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,480
especially here in Vienna
from the Jewish families.
545
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,040
But, as it was,
546
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,720
this picture here wasn't in the
possession of a Jewish family.
547
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:27,000
It was a wealthy, very high-ranking
Austrian noble family, the Czernins.
548
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,680
And the Czernins were,
549
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,760
to be quite frank,
very hard to put under pressure
550
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440
because they were wealthy,
they were rich, they were powerful.
551
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,720
So it was kind of difficult
to have them sell this painting.
552
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Do we know how much he paid for it?
553
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Well, in today's money,
554
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,680
it would be about five million
euros, you could say.
555
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,400
So this was in Hitler's
own private collection.
556
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Well, it ended up - as we all know -
in Altaussee, in the mine.
557
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,200
It was planned to go and be one
of the most prominent pieces
558
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160
in his Fuhrermuseum.
559
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,960
But the Vermeer painting
was a notable exception.
560
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,080
As the war raged and Hitler's armies
swept across Europe,
561
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,720
countries like Poland, France
and Belgium had their art stolen.
562
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,880
The Nazis plundered the galleries
and private collections of Europe
563
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,080
on an unprecedented scale.
564
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760
And by the end of the war,
millions of pieces of art -
565
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920
from paintings to sculptures -
were stolen.
566
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Some made their way into the private
hands of the Nazi leadership,
567
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,040
but most of it was destined
for Hitler's Fuhrermuseum in Linz.
568
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,960
So, of course, the Nazis
were taking artworks
569
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,800
that had been owned
by Jewish people.
570
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,040
And clearly, the owners had been
carted off to concentration camps,
571
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360
so they could simply
take that artwork,
572
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
but also, they went after art
they knew was there.
573
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,280
After all, a lot of this art was
catalogued. They knew it existed.
574
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,240
So they would go that
artwork ruthlessly,
575
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920
interrogating people,
breaking into museums,
576
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
breaking into private residences,
breaking into private libraries
577
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,880
and ransacking them.
578
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,600
The Nazis collected so much art
and so many relics, you have to ask,
579
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360
"What were they intending
to do with it all?"
580
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080
Well, of course, we know that
Hitler was planning
581
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,960
his own museum in his hometown that
was going to display a lot of it,
582
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,880
a lot of the classical art.
583
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,240
Then you have Wewelsburg,
where you can be assured
584
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160
that the most sacred relics
would have been on display
585
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880
for only the Nazi elite,
not the general public.
586
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Things like the Holy Grail,
they would have gone there.
587
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,680
And then the coffers of Himmler and
Goering
588
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,720
and all the other Nazi elite,
589
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,240
they would take some
for themselves, certainly.
590
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,840
And they would probably
keep some hidden,
591
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,120
because it's a source of wealth
that they would need to fuel
592
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,160
the Third Reich into the future.
593
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Just give me an idea of
how important the Fuhrermuseum
594
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,840
was to Adolf Hitler.
595
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,840
I would say he followed this plan
since he was young,
596
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,680
since he was a young man,
597
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400
and he followed this plan
until the end.
598
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,400
If you look at the Fuhrerbunker
in Berlin in the spring of '45,
599
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720
days before Hitler died,
600
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:33,240
he spent most of the time staring
at the model of the Fuhrermuseum -
601
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,680
still dreaming of this place
which he wanted to have
602
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,720
and which he thought
would be, somehow...
603
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,760
..the thing he would leave
for world history.
604
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,400
So it was going to be his legacy.
605
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Do you think it will be fair to say
that the Fuhrermuseum was singly
606
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,720
the most important thing
that Adolf Hitler wanted to create?
607
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Well, Linz, his mother town, and the
way it should look as a capital city
608
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,560
was always in the focus
of his plans,
609
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:10,480
and in the centre of Linz, as the
Fuhrer's city, was the Fuhrermuseum.
610
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:18,000
This extraordinary city would be
laid out in a very impressive way
611
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,320
which would, of course, all serve to
point to their dominance
612
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,920
in the world, and also the fact
that they were new Roman emperors.
613
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,920
They were emperors of the world.
614
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,760
On May 7th 1945, Germany surrendered
and the war in Europe was over.
615
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,760
But as the victorious Allies
celebrated, a big question remained.
616
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,160
What had happened to all
the cultural property
617
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,040
that the Nazis had stolen?
618
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,240
And so the Monuments Men
were given a new task - to find it.
619
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Come the end of the war, the Nazis
realised it's not going to end
620
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,160
the way they wanted.
621
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,160
So they're taking these artworks
and this gold and these relics,
622
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560
and putting them in
the nearest caves
623
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,760
or the underground railway stations.
624
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Or even as they're retreating
through Italy,
625
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,440
they're taking relics and paintings
out of museums as they go,
626
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,240
almost desperately.
627
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
It's now all about preservation
628
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,760
and saving it to fight
for another day.
629
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,480
Towards the end of the war,
it was clear that all this art
630
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,320
and all this wealth
couldn't stay in Berlin,
631
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,720
where it would be discovered.
632
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,080
So it was shipped out of Berlin.
633
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,400
It was shipped out on trucks and
buried in salt mines around Germany,
634
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,920
presumably with the intention
that either it would be there
635
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
to be recovered
if the Germans won the war,
636
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:45,480
or it would be kept away from the
Allies if the Germans lost the war.
637
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,640
It's now over 70 years since the end
of the Second World War,
638
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,760
and you might think that all hope of
recovering these treasures is lost.
639
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
But artworks still continue
to be found.
640
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,920
In 2011,
641
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,840
a vast collection of artwork worth
some £830 million was discovered
642
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880
in a Munich flat.
643
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,720
This was the home of
Cornelius Gurlitt,
644
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,040
the son of Hildebrand Gurlitt,
645
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,120
one of the most important
art-dealers of the Third Reich.
646
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,720
80-year-old Cornelius Gurlitt
recalls helping his father
647
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,120
save works from wartime Dresden,
dismissing suggestions
648
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,400
he might return some of the
1,406 paintings and drawings
649
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,680
to survivors of Nazi persecution.
650
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,480
I've arranged to speak with author
and journalist Stephan Koldehoff
651
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,320
to find out more about how
Gurlitt's collection came to light.
652
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:56,600
So, Stephan, can you tell me what
Hildebrand Gurlitt's role was...
653
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160
..during the war?
654
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,920
Hildebrand Gurlitt was one of the
main art-dealers who was working
655
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,200
for Hitler in two ways.
656
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,400
One way was that in 1937, 1938,
657
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,680
the Nazis would remove many works
of art from German museums
658
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,080
and they were to be sold.
659
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,240
Not to be destroyed, but to be sold,
to raise money for the war.
660
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,840
And Hildebrand Gurlitt was one of
the four art-dealers who had to sell
661
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,920
thousands of works of art
to art-dealers in foreign countries.
662
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
But the second thing was that
Hitler was also planning
663
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680
to found a big museum -
664
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,280
bigger than the Louvre in Paris
or any other museum in the world -
665
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,840
and for that, he needed
works of art as well.
666
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,440
So when the Nazis invaded countries
like France or the Netherlands
667
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,200
or Belgium or Poland, also there,
Hildebrand Gurlitt was active
668
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,280
to steal or blackmail or also to buy
works of art for that planned museum
669
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,360
to be built in Austria.
670
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,240
And were all the paintings recovered
at the end of the war?
671
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,360
No, there are still very many
families, mainly Jewish families,
672
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,440
who are still in search for
what once belonged to them.
673
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Many, many works never
appeared again,
674
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,600
either on the market
or in private collections.
675
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Of course, some of them may have
been destroyed during the war
676
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,280
or after the war, having been looted
by other people.
677
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,680
But, no, I think at least half of
those works have come to light
678
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,080
after the war.
679
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,480
In 2010, Cornelius Gurlitt was found
with 9,000 euros in his wallet.
680
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,840
He wasn't married, he didn't have
a pension, he didn't have a job,
681
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,720
so there was a huge tax
investigation done.
682
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,720
And they raided his apartment
in Munich
683
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
and they found something like
1,600 works of art
684
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,080
stored in his apartment,
and a lot of them
685
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,920
had been stolen by the Nazis
686
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,960
from Jews and from different
art foundations around Europe.
687
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Obviously, there's just still
so much out there
688
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,160
that has not been returned.
689
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
There are presumably hundreds,
if not thousands,
690
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:10,680
of private collections that
have stolen artworks in them.
691
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,320
And what of all the gold
that the Nazis took?
692
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960
Part of the Nazis' hoard
was found in locations
693
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
such as the Merkers mine in Germany,
694
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,040
while some of it disappeared
into European banks.
695
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,520
But much of it is still missing.
696
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,400
The Monuments Men were immensely
successful in financial terms.
697
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,080
In just one example,
698
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,560
the Merkers mine - which is just
northwest of Frankfurt -
699
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,960
they found $520 million
worth of gold and currency,
700
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,960
which, in today's money,
is over $7 billion.
701
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Legend has it that a Nazi train
lies buried somewhere,
702
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,560
containing a vast quantity of gold.
703
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,200
Its whereabouts remains one
of the greatest questions
704
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,320
of the Second World War.
705
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,240
In Poland, a few years ago,
706
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,080
it appeared that it may have
been finally found.
707
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
It was an event that sparked
global interest.
708
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Two men, a German and a Pole,
709
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,560
have set off something of a
gold rush in the woods of Poland.
710
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,440
They claim they've discovered
a Nazi train loaded with treasures
711
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200
from the closing days
of World War II.
712
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,880
One of the great legends of
Nazi gold is the Nazi gold train
713
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,400
that was supposedly driven
into a Nazi complex in what is now
714
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,880
modern-day Poland.
715
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,680
And it's supposed to have
an incredible hoard of gold.
716
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,280
We do know that the Nazis were
moving a lot of gold around
717
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,320
at the end of the war,
718
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,400
obviously as they were losing
parts of their empire.
719
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,040
And this train was taken
into a burrowed-out tunnel
720
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,520
in the Owl Mountains in Poland.
721
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,840
And of course, people have been very
keen to find this and other gold
722
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,400
that the Nazis hid towards
the end of the war.
723
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,760
Now, in 2016, there were some
excavations carried out,
724
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,280
because radar did indicate that
there was a train-like object
725
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,720
within the mountain.
726
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160
It was found to be a kind
of a geological quirk,
727
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000
a strange rock formation.
728
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,400
But that said, that doesn't mean
it's not there.
729
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,240
And I think it's pretty certain that
we're going to turn up
730
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,320
some more Nazi gold,
as periodically does turn up.
731
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640
The Nazi train buried in
a hillside in Poland
732
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,080
turned out to be wishful thinking.
733
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,280
If it did indeed exist,
it is still out there somewhere,
734
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,840
out there with millions of
pieces of art
735
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,840
which are yet to be recovered -
736
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,560
works by the likes of Raphael,
Van Gogh, Rubens and Canaletto...
737
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,040
..even the Amber Room from Russia,
738
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,840
once dubbed the
Eighth Wonder of the World.
739
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,840
The Nazis destroyed a lot.
740
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,960
They used flame-throwers
to destroy stuff.
741
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,800
In other words, "If we can't
have it, you can't have it back."
742
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,800
There is stuff to be found.
743
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,880
German soldiers would have
stolen stuff.
744
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,960
The locals would have probably known
where the stuff was in the mines,
745
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,720
and would have taken stuff as well.
746
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,040
Even down to Cornelius Gurlitt.
They actually found,
747
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,120
in a suitcase that he'd got
in a hospital, a Monet.
748
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,040
We have no way of knowing
how much is still out there
749
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,760
in private collections.
750
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,240
We have, actually, no way
of knowing - if we're very honest -
751
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,400
whether it was the Nazis who took
all of the stuff in the first place,
752
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,680
because, you know, as is the way
with large armies,
753
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,480
they will tend to pick up the
odd thing as they move through,
754
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,360
and so perhaps the Allies
have some of it.
755
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,920
The thing is, that the records,
such as they are,
756
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
probably aren't all the records
757
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,520
or are selective in what
they choose to record.
758
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,280
But it's important to appreciate
just how successful
759
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,920
the Monuments Men were.
760
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,160
During and beyond the war,
they tracked, located and returned
761
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,560
more than five million artistic
and cultural items
762
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,560
stolen by Hitler and the Nazis.
763
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,800
Their role in preserving
cultural treasures
764
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,360
is without precedent.
765
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,120
The story of Nazi art and
Nazi loot is by no means over.
766
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,640
There's an immense amount that
still hasn't yet been recovered,
767
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,640
either secreted in places
one simply doesn't know where,
768
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,720
or still lost in the
financial system.
769
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,840
It's really difficult to say how
much of the Nazi loot -
770
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,120
the treasures, the gold,
the relics - has been reclaimed
771
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
and how much of it remains.
772
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Now, say 50% has been recovered.
773
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,520
That means some of the most
incredible works of art,
774
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640
some of the most incredible
hoards of gold and silver
775
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,240
and some of the, arguably,
potentially greatest relics
776
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,480
of antiquity are lying there
in a cave somewhere,
777
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,840
sitting in a no longer used
rail station
778
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,200
or high up in a mountain somewhere.
779
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,520
I think, over time,
780
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200
we'll find some of this, but just
how much is there and what's there?
781
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,640
That remains a mystery.
782
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,800
Nazi Germany's legacy can be seen
in the scars on the landscape,
783
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,040
the graveyards scattered in every
city, town and village in the world,
784
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,880
and perhaps, I guess more subtly,
785
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,360
in the gaps in the
art galleries of Europe,
786
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,640
where once hung the greatest
paintings in history.
787
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
The theft of art was
a cultural crime
788
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,400
the likes the world had never seen,
789
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,160
but hopefully, more and more
will be recovered
790
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,280
so that generations can enjoy them
once again.
791
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,320
I'll see you next time.
792
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,680
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