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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,880 NARRATOR: In 2010, the death of an MI6 spy, 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,320 found locked in a bag in his bath, shocked Britain, and the world. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,000 He was found unclothed 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,280 in a zipped and padlocked red sports holdall. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,960 The authorities ruled it a tragic accident... 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,520 This was probably a sex game that went wrong. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,600 ..but some have serious doubts. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Everything about this case absolutely stinks of a cover-up. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,840 Could he have got in the bag? 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,880 And if he couldn't get in the bag on his own, 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,240 there must be someone else. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,960 What were the events leading up to his tragic death? 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,520 What Gareth may have stumbled across 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,120 is the identity of a Russian mole in GCHQ. 15 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:49,520 He had to be eliminated. 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,840 This is the story 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,600 of one of Britain's most shocking mysteries, 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 but now, 14 years after it happened, 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,880 has a new police investigation finally solved the case? 20 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,640 We think there's new technology here that might give us more evidence. 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Or has the truth been buried? 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,840 I believe the purpose of this re-examination 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,520 was to shut the case down. 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,480 The mystery isn't solved. 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,800 If the police think it is, 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,840 they're deluding themselves or trying to delude the public. 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,200 I just feel bloody angry the intelligence agencies 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,560 can always sweep everything like this, every scandal, 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,680 under the blanket of national security. 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,040 It was murder by people who knew exactly how to do it 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,040 without leaving a trace. 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,440 2010... 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,040 a busy year of memorable worldwide events. 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,640 At home, Prince William gets engaged. 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,600 He's a true romantic. 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,400 The Conservative Party unites with the Liberal Democrats 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,640 to form a coalition government. 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Apple released the first generation of the iPad, 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,400 heralding a new dawn in technology. 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,560 REPORTER: Three Lions torn apart by the Germans. 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,120 At the World Cup, Germany send England home... 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,920 Frank Lampard's disallowed goal added... 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,360 ..but in Russia, a darker, deadly atmosphere pervades. 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,640 I have no doubt that this was an attempt to kill. 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,520 Journalists, businessmen, human rights activists 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,480 are found shot, strangled, poisoned, murdered. 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,280 REPORTER: Quite a few of Putin's enemies have perished 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,080 by swallowing things they shouldn't have. 49 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,240 The killings weren't limited to Moscow. 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,920 REPORTER: The death of a jogger 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,840 in this exclusive Surrey neighbourhood 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,240 is officially unexplained. 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,000 The Secret Intelligence Service was awakening 54 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,080 to a new era of Cold War espionage. 55 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,920 In 2006, the murder of Litvinenko in London 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,120 confirmed there were no borders or barriers to the Kremlin's dark arts. 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,640 I cannot think of another capital globally 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,920 that really represents the centre of espionage 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,600 more than London itself. 60 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,720 And that was an interesting experience being an MI6 officer, 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,000 because I would deploy as much tradecraft, 62 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,520 simply going across London 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,960 as I would do in any other city in the world. 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,920 The world of espionage had entered its most dangerous phase 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,720 since the Cold War, 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,120 and London was the battle ground. 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:38,160 This was the deadly environment that Gareth was promoted to in 2010. 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,920 Just months later, he was dead. 69 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,680 But who was the spy in the bag? 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Gareth Williams was a highly talented mathematician. 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,160 I think probably fair to call him a genius. 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,480 Gareth Williams was regarded as a highly proficient 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,280 and a very effective member 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,120 of the security organisation for which he worked. 75 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,280 He was based normally at GCHQ in Cheltenham 76 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,960 but was on short-term transfer to MI6. 77 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,440 MI6 is the elite institution of the British Intelligence Service, 78 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,840 and it's always looking to recruit the best minds in the country. 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,160 MI6 is much more about individualists 80 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,400 who go and work abroad undercover 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,160 and recruit agents to gather information. 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,160 So the culture shock from someone going from being a boffin at GCHQ 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,400 to being someone working in a shark pit, effectively, 84 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,000 which is MI6, must have been hideous. 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,880 So, how did this brilliant 31-year-old MI6 operative 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,720 meet such a chilling end? 87 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,560 RINGING TONE 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,480 One day in August 2010, 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,000 the police received a call 90 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,560 from the Government Communications Headquarters, 91 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,960 the hub of the UK intelligence service, 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,800 better known as GCHQ. 93 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:58,960 RINGING TONE 94 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,960 It was a phone call that would lead 95 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,120 to one of Britain's biggest unsolved mysteries. 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,000 CALL OPERATOR: Emergency - which service? 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,680 I wanted to report one of our members of staff, 98 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,360 who lives and works in London, as missing. 99 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,800 Detective Sergeant Paul Colgen was first to respond. 100 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,800 There was certainly nothing within the message to suggest 101 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,560 that this was anything more 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,440 than a knock on the door to see who was there, 103 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,880 if they're OK, and then report back. 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,760 It was in a quiet residential road. An old Victorian building. 105 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,760 This revealing footage gave an insight 106 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,200 into Gareth's lifestyle and the contents of his flat. 107 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Going into the flat, it was immaculate. 108 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,280 There wasn't a thing out of place. 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,840 I remember there were laptops, certainly computers in there. 110 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,200 A couple of mobile phones I do remember being on the table. 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,680 There was a number of North Face bags piled up, 112 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,120 and I remember there was a couple of wigs on the side. 113 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,840 The bedroom, again, was tidy. 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 There was certainly nothing to suggest there'd been a struggle, 115 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,080 or any form of crime had taken place at that point. 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,720 I'm walking into the bathroom, 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,520 nothing to suggest anything had happened. 118 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,320 The only strange thing was the bag in the bath. 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,200 It was secured with a padlock 120 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,520 through two zippers meeting in the middle. 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,360 When I picked it up, it was heavy, but not inordinately heavy, 122 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,560 in that I could lift it myself without help from anybody else. 123 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,560 But because of the odour that was coming from it 124 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,480 and the fluid that was leaking from it, 125 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,960 I decided that it had to be cut open. 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,040 I decided to cut down the side of it, 127 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,760 near the zipper, but not on the padlock itself, 128 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 in order to preserve as much forensics as possible. 129 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,520 On cutting through the bag, 130 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,360 I-I was met by an overpowering stench... 131 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,160 ..of... of decomposing flesh. 132 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,480 That's something you never forget. 133 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,000 The first thing I saw was a nose. 134 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,840 But then I opened the bag a little bit further, 135 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,480 and then it was a... a face of a body 136 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,480 who'd clearly been dead for some time... 137 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,320 frothing at the mouth and nose. 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,160 That was the point I decided that this was a crime scene, 139 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,160 and we would leave the premises, secure them, 140 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 and then call in the murder teams to take over. 141 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,360 There's been a huge amount of police activity 142 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,680 and people in forensic outfits. 143 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,120 All a bit grim, really. 144 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Good gracious me, 145 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,000 how a man can be obviously murdered in his flat there is awful, 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,320 that doesn't normally happen. 147 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Now being treated as a suspicious death, 148 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 forensics teams were called to the flat 149 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,800 to start looking for any potential evidence. 150 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,800 I think, obviously, that you always feel very saddened 151 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,560 by the scene in front of you, you can't help that. 152 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,680 I think you wouldn't be human if you didn't. 153 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,520 But the great thing that I've found 154 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,440 is that you become so overwhelmed almost immediately 155 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,360 with the need to start doing something really meaningful, 156 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,320 and it's really important that you get going as quickly as possible. 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,440 You don't have much time to dwell on the emotional, 158 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,160 the obvious emotional aspects of the... of what's in front of you. 159 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:35,720 The investigation would be overseen 160 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,400 by Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell. 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,800 My initial thoughts were like many others, 162 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,440 it was certainly bizarre and rare. 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:47,840 And in ordinary circumstances, 164 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,920 the discovery of a naked person inside a locked bag, 165 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,280 in their own premises, 166 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,040 almost invariably would result in immediate identification of murder. 167 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,240 When you're looking at homicide, 168 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,640 you have to have some theories to it, 169 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:09,640 and in this case, Gareth's death had only three options, primarily. 170 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:14,160 Either his death was a single event by himself, 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,800 and no-one else involved. 172 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,880 The second scenario was that his death 173 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,280 was a result of another person, or persons involved 174 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,360 in him being placed in that bag. 175 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,000 And the third possibility is, again, 176 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,320 that other person or persons were involved, 177 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,840 and it was murder. 178 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,440 And that Gareth was therefore deliberately killed 179 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,840 and placed in the bag. 180 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,400 The forensics teams had to follow a strict process 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,600 to ensure any clues that could solve the mystery weren't missed. 182 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,040 The principles that are followed 183 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 are control, preserve, record, recover. 184 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,360 So you get control of the crime scene, 185 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,800 you preserve the evidence, 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,440 make sure it's not interfered with in any way. 187 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,000 And then try and establish who is inside the bag, 188 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,280 what condition the body is in, 189 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,760 and gradually start working towards 190 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,280 what is the evidence that's available that might explain 191 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,600 how this body got in the bag and how they died. 192 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,440 If you look at this crime scene, 193 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,640 even as a specialist who attends the scene, 194 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,440 it's very likely that you will never have encountered 195 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,160 anything like this before. 196 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,880 If you then link that to Gareth's background 197 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,960 and all the issues that that might bring, 198 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,640 someone who's employed by GCHQ and currently working with MI6, 199 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,920 it brings an even more extraordinary dimension to it. 200 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,600 Whilst forensic evidence was being collected, 201 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,400 the content of Gareth's flat had already been leaked to the press, 202 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,440 and the mystery was deepening. 203 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,640 £20,000 worth of women's clothes were found. 204 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,800 Along with wigs, mobile phones - 205 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,920 one restored to factory settings, 206 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,400 one with a search history that included bondage sites. 207 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:16,600 The mixture of spying and sex quickly reduced Gareth's lifestyle 208 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,960 to a perverse, headline-grabbing version of the truth. 209 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 The public was fascinated by the case, 210 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,520 and television news bulletins were all too happy 211 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,120 to broadcast the salacious details of his death. 212 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,920 He'd visited bondage websites, 213 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,520 gone to gay bars and bought tickets to drag shows. 214 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,400 Police have revealed new details 215 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,760 about the intensely private life of MI6 spy Gareth Williams, 216 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,960 who was found dead in his London flat in August. 217 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Of course, he had a flat, he had tens of thousands of pounds 218 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,000 of women's clothing in this flat. 219 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,280 He was interested in women's fashion. 220 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,000 He'd been portrayed as a cross-dresser, 221 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,920 which there was no evidence that he was. 222 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,120 And... And so what? 223 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,640 You know, that was Gareth, and he should have been allowed... 224 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,960 He should be allowed that space to be who he was, 225 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,680 not be portrayed as some kind of geek, 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,960 cross-dresser, kind of demi-spy. 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,880 That simply doesn't represent him as an individual. 228 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,320 This grisly discovery quickly moved 229 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,360 from a standard welfare check 230 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,320 to an international, headline-grabbing story. 231 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,680 A story that involved a dead spy, locked naked in a duffel bag, 232 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,840 whose name was already being smeared in the press. 233 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Rumours started to circulate that shadowy forces were involved. 234 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Maybe he was the first casualty 235 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,600 of what I'd call the New Cold War with Russia. 236 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,760 He didn't deserve to die in the course of his duty. 237 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,960 He certainly didn't deserve to be rubbished 238 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,080 and to be smeared in a way that subsequently happened. 239 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,200 It was murder. 240 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,640 And it was murder by people who knew exactly how to do it 241 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,160 without leaving a trace. 242 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,360 NARRATOR: August, 2010, 243 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,720 police had been called to an address in Pimlico, West London. 244 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,440 It's a straightforward welfare check on a 31-year-old male. 245 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,680 But this was no ordinary man. 246 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,800 This was a brilliant code breaker, 247 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,920 part of the elite spy network 248 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,640 responsible for preventing atrocities, espionage and terrorism. 249 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:33,720 Gareth Williams' body was found naked, decomposing, 250 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,680 and in a bag padlocked from the outside. 251 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,840 With very little evidence to go on, 252 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,160 the case was getting more complex by the second. 253 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,840 To have any hope of unravelling this extraordinary mystery, 254 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,320 investigators needed to build a profile of Gareth. 255 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,520 The first clue came from his childhood in rural Wales. 256 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,480 He loved a problem, he loved solving it. 257 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,600 Especially if it was a sort of... 258 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,680 anything to do with computing or anything in the digital world. 259 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,840 To give an example, I was asked to write a program 260 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,120 which would deal with staff absences in the school, 261 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,000 but I was stuck on one thing, and I couldn't get it to work. 262 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 And I said, "Gareth, have a look at that for me." 263 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,600 And he got hold of it, and he had a look, 264 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,880 and he went through it and said, in Welsh, he said, 265 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,400 "Mr Thomas, this is inelegant." 266 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,040 And so he had a look at it, 267 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,000 and he brought a little routine that dealt with it supremely. 268 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,040 That was the kind of thing he loved. 269 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,160 He wasn't a social child, if you understand what I mean. 270 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,240 I'm not aware that he had any friends, as such. 271 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,680 He didn't have any friends 272 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,640 in the sense that you had a best friend, 273 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,480 or that he had somebody he went out with. 274 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,720 He was just totally on his own, and the computer was his friend. 275 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,120 It's that simple. 276 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,800 When he was separated from the computer and was asked to go out, 277 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 quite often, I've seen him sort of just walking up and down 278 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 outside the computer room waiting to be let in, like a lost sheep. 279 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,840 He was definitely happier 280 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,840 when he was sitting in front of a computer, 281 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,840 there's no doubt about it. 282 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Although not medically trained 283 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,920 and going on his own interactions with Gareth, 284 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,120 Nigel believes he may have been on the autistic spectrum. 285 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,520 What I know of autism, 286 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,600 and I think that Gareth was slightly on the autistic spectrum, 287 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,640 is that it is difficult to interact with other people. 288 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 It's difficult to understand the emotions, 289 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,800 it's difficult to know what to do in a certain situation. 290 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,880 I know that it's difficult for people with autism 291 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,160 to have relationships 292 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,240 because they have to renew the relationship 293 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,880 every time they meet that person. 294 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,920 It's a very, very difficult thing to say. 295 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Gareth passed his GCSEs aged 10 and his first degree by 17. 296 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,000 I've never come across anybody who had that ability at all. 297 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 He was away above anything that I've ever seen. 298 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,200 We had people who went to Oxford and Cambridge, 299 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,160 but this was something totally different. 300 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,360 He was way above anything I could imagine, to be quite honest. 301 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,720 By the time Gareth had graduated from university 302 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,040 and started his second degree at Cambridge, 303 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,280 his talents had been noticed by the security services, 304 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,640 and a job was offered at GCHQ. 305 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,640 The beating heart of GCHQ are its mathematicians. 306 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,480 They are the codebreakers, the direct descendants 307 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,360 of the people who shortened the Second World War 308 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,880 by a number of years 309 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,800 by breaking German codes in Bletchley Park. 310 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,680 His work involved developing software, 311 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,200 analysing patterns of communication 312 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,520 and cracking terrorist activities. 313 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,760 He was surrounded by like-minded people, 314 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,040 fitted in very well, and excelled at his work. 315 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,880 You need extremely brave people. 316 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,720 You need people who can drink two bottles of wine at lunch 317 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,760 and walk home. 318 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,160 But you also need people with completely different skillsets. 319 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,400 And as the world digitises itself, 320 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,320 those people who really understand what it all means 321 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,720 and how to make it work, they are the jewels in the crown, 322 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,000 physically located at the centre of The Doughnut. 323 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,600 By 2010, Gareth had been seconded to MI6, 324 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,440 the elite section of the Secret Intelligence Service 325 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,880 and a very different working environment. 326 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,520 The mathematicians and coders had been replaced by elite spies 327 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,560 who risked their lives on a daily basis. 328 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,880 MI6 would always, fairly or unfairly, 329 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,280 categorise people who worked in GCHQ 330 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,800 as typically very introverted, 331 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,120 certainly not very sociable, not comfortable in large groups. 332 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:47,120 And certainly not outgoing personality types. 333 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,200 By contrast, in MI6, 334 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,400 the organisation is looking very much 335 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840 for gregarious-type individuals, 336 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,360 people who can hold their own in social situations 337 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,400 and indeed can bend with the wind 338 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,080 according to the situation they were in. 339 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:07,480 By all accounts, Gareth's ability to interpret code was extraordinary. 340 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,120 But, if, as some have suggested, he may have been neurodivergent, 341 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,920 this new world of espionage he now found himself in 342 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 could have been extremely challenging. 343 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,160 A neurodivergent person is a person that, 344 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,760 what we would traditionally call "on the spectrum". 345 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,320 Possibly autistic. 346 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:29,000 That would have impacted him on his everyday life. 347 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,840 His sense of the world, the people around him, 348 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,240 his work, his challenges, 349 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,520 would have been very different to yours or mine. 350 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Really, to become a spy, 351 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,120 you literally need to be able to read the room. 352 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,080 You need to be able to change tact very quickly. 353 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,400 And for somebody that is neurodivergent 354 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,440 and is used to working with computers, numbers, patterns, 355 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,680 that's a very different skillset 356 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,000 and perhaps would have been a lot more challenging 357 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,080 than Gareth may have anticipated himself. 358 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,680 Just weeks after starting at MI6, 359 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,120 Gareth requested a transfer back to GCHQ in Cheltenham. 360 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:16,760 At the same time, something dangerous was happening in Britain. 361 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,400 Money was pouring in from Russia, 362 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 with a super-rich elite community arriving, 363 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,240 keen to hide their wealth 364 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,400 and escape the tyranny of the Kremlin. 365 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,400 A tyranny that simply moved to London with them. 366 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,080 At the time, in 2010, 367 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,400 we had a new coalition government, of which I was a part. 368 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,000 David Cameron and George Osborne, 369 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,400 who were the main protagonists in that government, 370 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,560 were keen to improve relations with Russia. 371 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,120 George Osborne was keen to attract Russian money into London, 372 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,880 which he saw as advantageous to the city. 373 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,400 To attract wealthy foreign investors to the country, 374 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,920 the Government had launched the so-called Golden Visa Scheme. 375 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,000 Applicants had to provide a minimum investment of £2 million 376 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,000 in exchange for the right to live in Britain. 377 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,200 We saw an increase in Russian money coming into London 378 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,240 belonging to Russian oligarchs. 379 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,840 What followed the money 380 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,760 were individuals and organisations of fairly dubious character. 381 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,600 And as a consequence of that, a blind eye, in my view, 382 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,920 was turned to a range of assassinations which took place, 383 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,720 largely of Russian nationals in London, 384 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,720 on the basis that it was inconvenient 385 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,800 to draw attention to that 386 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,800 and to find the Russian State guilty of assassinations. 387 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,560 It's also worth bearing in mind, in 2006, 388 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,480 Vladimir Putin enabled a new law to be adopted in Russia, 389 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,760 which gave licence, authority, 390 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,640 for assassinations to take place abroad, 391 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,920 if they were assassinations 392 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,520 of people who were harmful to the Russian State. 393 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,240 Could Gareth's death be linked to Russia? 394 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,200 Over a ten-year period, 14 people with connections to Russia, 395 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,040 many of them former spies, 396 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,320 died in suspicious circumstances on British soil. 397 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,200 You've got Alexander Perepilichny, 398 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,840 who blew the whistle on massive Kremlin fraud. 399 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,480 He dropped dead while he was out jogging. 400 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,400 Mr Perepilichny was not just another man out jogging, 401 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,160 he was a whistle-blower 402 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,880 who was instrumental in trying to expose 403 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,440 a Russian scandal that stretches around the world. 404 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,920 You've got Matthew Puncher, 405 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,760 who helped pin Litvinenko's poisoning on Putin. 406 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,720 He was stabbed to death with two knives. 407 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,720 Litvinenko himself, who defected from the Russian Security Services, 408 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000 who was poisoned with radioactive polonium in his tea. 409 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Boris Berezovsky, who financed international opposition to Putin, 410 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,240 he was found hanging from a shower rail in his home. 411 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,120 REPORTER: Officially, Thames Valley Police 412 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,240 are treating the death as unexplained, 413 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,440 but there is no shortage of conspiracy theories surrounding it. 414 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,240 A close family friend told Sky News 415 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,840 he was not a man who would take his own life. 416 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,120 You've got Alex Chapman, revealed sex secrets 417 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,240 of his Russian spy wife, Anna, 418 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,960 found dead from a massive drugs overdose. 419 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,680 You've got Scot Young, 420 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 who interfered in Russian finance, not to Putin's liking, 421 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,880 who allegedly committed suicide by throwing himself out of a window 422 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,800 and found himself impaled on railings. 423 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,760 REPORTER: Did he fall or was he pushed? 424 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,000 He's one of half-a-dozen apparently healthy British men, 425 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,840 associates of rich Russian exiles, to die here. 426 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,560 The list is really quite long, 427 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,760 and what it demonstrates, I think, is over the years, 428 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,160 the police in this country 429 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,920 have been quite happy to conclude suicide 430 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,040 in the most unlikely circumstances. 431 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,840 The tactic of Russia of late, 432 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,160 certainly within the last ten-plus years, 433 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,440 has very deliberately been to take 434 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,560 a far more brutish approach to espionage. 435 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,360 It's, in many cases, not espionage as we know it, 436 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,960 it is crass, direct action. 437 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Assassinations or attacks or sabotage or whatever. 438 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,360 And that is a deliberate tactic, driven from the very top by Putin, 439 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,240 to send messages to the Russian populous. 440 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,400 And that message being loud and clear that, 441 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,000 "Look, if you do similar, this is what will happen to you," 442 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320 so it's all about Putin controlling 443 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:27,320 what he perceives to be his Russian empire. 444 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,800 THEY SING RUSSIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM 445 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 My experience of operating in MI6 446 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,040 was a new world, a far more complex world, 447 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,320 far more dangerous. 448 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,520 As a spy, being in London, 449 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,920 it felt as hostile as anywhere else in the world, 450 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,560 because of the activities that were taking place there. 451 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,600 The bottom line is that we dropped our guard 452 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,160 against Putin's Russia. 453 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,760 We dropped our guard, 454 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800 and that is a cause of huge national shame, 455 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,400 and it should be, rightly so. 456 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200 Please don't forget, where does Putin come from? 457 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,160 You know, he comes from the KGB. 458 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,440 And it was blindingly obvious that somebody like Putin as president 459 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,640 would be big, big trouble 460 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840 in intelligence and security terms for this country. 461 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Was Gareth Williams discovering some uncomfortable truths 462 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,160 behind Russia's influence in Britain? 463 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,920 Maybe that is what Gareth Williams was charged to find out. 464 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,960 What were they really trying to do in the United Kingdom? 465 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,720 What were they really after? 466 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,240 What did it really tell us 467 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,840 about what was going on in the Kremlin? 468 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,920 And maybe, you know, he was the first casualty 469 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,280 of what I'd call the New Cold War with Russia. 470 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,880 Putin puts a high value on counterintelligence 471 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,240 and a low value on those that get in his way. 472 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,880 How likely is it that Gareth would become a target 473 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,840 for assassination? 474 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,880 Assassinations conducted either by a hostile intelligence agency 475 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,960 or even by terror cells, 476 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,600 they do take a lot of planning, a lot of forethought. 477 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,200 This is speculation, 478 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,800 but if Gareth had stumbled across something 479 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,000 that potentially compromised 480 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,560 what we would categorise as a hostile intelligence organisation, 481 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,720 such as Russia's SVR, or FSB, GRU, 482 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,440 it is conceivable that he would have been assassinated 483 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,680 purely to shut him up. 484 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,360 That is possible. 485 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,680 But it would have had to have been 486 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,680 an extraordinary potential breach 487 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,440 for Russia to have done something like that, would be my assessment. 488 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,120 Whatever secrets he may have uncovered, 489 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,520 just months later, Gareth would be dead, 490 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,720 locked in a duffel bag. 491 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,800 This was murder. 492 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,760 And literally, murder most foul. 493 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,760 NARRATOR: MI6 operative Gareth Williams' body, 494 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,480 discovered naked in a holdall in 2010. 495 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,320 The obvious cause of death had to be murder, 496 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,920 but the police were struggling 497 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320 to find any solid evidence to close the case. 498 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,560 As a result, an inquest was opened 499 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,320 to explore all the circumstances 500 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,560 leading up to the discovery of his body 501 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,520 and work out how he had died. 502 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,320 The first question the inquest asked 503 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,680 was could Gareth actually have been able to get in the bag 504 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,920 and lock it himself? 505 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,200 Peter Faulding was one of two experts tasked to explore 506 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,280 every potential way of getting into the bag, 507 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,760 and what the forensic fall-out might be. 508 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,400 Gareth was slightly taller than me, and it's just, it... 509 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,600 You've got to get your shoulders, so you've got to stand in the bath, 510 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,040 you've got to lift yourself over, 511 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,480 and you have to pull the bag right the way round. 512 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,160 And I practised this time and time again, 513 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,080 where your head has got to go first into the bag 514 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,200 before you do it. 515 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,480 It's very, very difficult. 516 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,040 And there's lots of manoeuvring just to get into this bag. 517 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,160 It's very hot already. 518 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,280 But if you look at my feet now, my feet are all over the bath. 519 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,160 It was a very hot environment that day, 520 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,960 the heating was turned up, and he would have had, 521 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 his body would have been perspiring. 522 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,040 But there was no trace at all, anywhere, of his, 523 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280 in this bath or around the bath. 524 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,960 When I visited the flat, the information I was given, 525 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,160 there was various traces left around the flat. 526 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,240 There was none around the bath, there was none on the padlock, 527 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,840 none on the zipper, none on the shower screen 528 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,680 relating to Gareth Williams himself. 529 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,720 It was very clear that Gareth did not do this himself. 530 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480 It would be an absolute impossibility, 531 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,960 unless you were wearing forensic gloves and a forensic suit. 532 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,360 Gareth Williams was naked, and he would have left traces of sweat 533 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,880 and all sorts of marks everywhere within that bathroom. 534 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,400 Gareth Williams could have got into the bag, 535 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,040 he could have zipped it closed, 536 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,680 but you cannot do it without actually leaving a trace. 537 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,160 And that is what this is about, it's DNA and fingerprints evidence. 538 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280 You've got to place your hands on the bath, 539 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,960 you've got to touch the lock, the zip, 540 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600 and there was none of that of Gareth's 541 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,080 found anywhere near the area. 542 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,200 The other experts agreed with me. 543 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,680 They had a yoga expert bending himself into the bag, 544 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,040 and I believe their conclusion was the same as mine. 545 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,680 How could that possibly happen? 546 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Did this point unequivocally to foul play? 547 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,000 For some, the lack of proof did not necessarily equal murder. 548 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,000 The absence of fingerprints in itself isn't proof of anything. 549 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,120 It's just the absence of fingerprints. 550 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 And I always wonder when, what... what... 551 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880 ..what process is occurring where you think 552 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,640 that there has to be fingerprints? 553 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,800 You can go to any crime scene where people live, 554 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280 and where one of those persons in the house has been murdered, 555 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,560 and you won't necessarily find their fingerprints. 556 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,960 And we know they live there. 557 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160 I've had much experience of that as well. 558 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400 So, it, in itself, is not going to make a case 559 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,440 one way or another as to how to determine this crime scene. 560 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,040 There are situations, particularly with DNA and fingerprints, 561 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,480 where you simply DON'T find them where you expect them. 562 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,640 It's very difficult to predict. 563 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Let's take DNA. 564 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,800 DNA is perhaps more easy... more easy to explain it. 565 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,880 You might think, if you pick something up, 566 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,360 that you will always find your DNA on it. 567 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,640 You won't always find your DNA on it. 568 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,600 You might think, if you pick something up, 569 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,080 you will always find a fingerprint. 570 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520 You will not always find a fingerprint. 571 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,440 So my take on it is that every contact does NOT leave a trace. 572 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,640 It... 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And to go down that way of thinking 573 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,880 is a distraction in a case 574 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,400 where there is other important information available. 575 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,040 The inquest was shown videos of the inside of Gareth's flat. 576 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,680 Such was the public's interest in the story, 577 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,560 these clips were published online by a reputable newspaper. 578 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200 The inquest now focused 579 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,040 on why Gareth might have put himself in the holdall. 580 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,760 Claustrophilia is the love of enclosed spaces. 581 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,440 Sometimes, it has a sexual element to it, 582 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600 whereby people that find themselves in confined spaces 583 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,200 get sexually aroused. 584 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Sometimes, in fact, they need to be very constrained 585 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920 in terms of their space 586 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,560 to feel that they can reach sexual release. 587 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,800 Every year, we get a number of cases 588 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760 where people have accidentally killed themselves 589 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,760 while engaging in some kind of auto-erotic activity. 590 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,600 And we know that many times, 591 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600 they didn't really mean to harm themselves. 592 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,720 But this seemed a sort of slightly strange method, 593 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,440 because of the details of it, really. 594 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,880 You know, why bother to get into the bag in the bath? 595 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120 There are some really odd aspects about this. 596 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,760 At the inquest, Gareth's sister insisted 597 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520 that he was meticulous about assessing risk. 598 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,680 There was no way he would have put himself 599 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600 in danger of suffocation without a back-up plan. 600 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,560 If this was something to do with erotic auto-asphyxiation, 601 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,600 it seems very unlikely to me that he would have put himself 602 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,240 in such a precarious situation 603 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,400 that he didn't have an escape route from the inside. 604 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560 Because of his professional training, because of his skillset, 605 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,760 Gareth Williams understood about risk. 606 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,920 And if this had been a mad, auto-erotic adventure, 607 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,040 he would have taken a penknife or something like that with him 608 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,480 as he got into the bag. 609 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,640 None of that was there. 610 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680 Gareth's flat was meticulously clean. 611 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840 However, forensics found his semen on the bathroom floor, 612 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,200 likely to have been left there shortly before his death. 613 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320 Did that mean that any sex act 614 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,040 had actually concluded before getting in the bag? 615 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,520 If it's a solo sexual game, if it is erotic asphyxiation, 616 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,040 the release, and therefore the semen, 617 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,680 would be found inside the bag. 618 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,320 Most certainly not outside the bag. 619 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,360 It seemed there were multiple arguments 620 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480 against the solo sex act theory, 621 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,120 but they were far from conclusive. 622 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,560 The coroner also said he wouldn't have got in the bag of his own 623 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,920 because he was risk adverse. 624 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360 I don't accept that either because I think risk 625 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,840 is often associated with sexual excitement. 626 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,000 When we talk about auto-erotic deaths, 627 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,160 these are extremely unusual things. 628 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,720 Generally, you need to be aware that the range of things 629 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,920 that can excite people sexually 630 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,040 is enormous, it's kaleidoscopic. 631 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640 Auto-erotic events are not necessarily things 632 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,440 that lead to ejaculation, 633 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,960 they are just things that give an intense feeling 634 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,520 of sexual excitement. 635 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,120 But how did his alleged sexual fantasies fit in 636 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,400 with his high-pressure role 637 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,800 at the most secretive workplace in Britain? 638 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,120 His whole life was about not being able to share 639 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,040 with his close group of family and friends what he really did. 640 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920 Control, control, control. 641 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,080 It may have been, then, in his personal life, 642 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,480 what he really craved was having the ability 643 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440 to be completely out of control, 644 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,640 in a way to balance his inner world with his outer world. 645 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960 His external life with his inner truth. 646 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,560 So something about being in confined spaces 647 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,520 that made him feel that he could relax into it, 648 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,120 because you've got nowhere else to go. You're safe. 649 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160 The inquest had heard that it would have been possible 650 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200 for Gareth to get in the bag on his own, 651 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:33,560 although there were conflicting arguments 652 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,400 about fingerprints and DNA evidence. 653 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,840 It was also possible that he had a sexual or other motivation 654 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,600 for getting in the bag. 655 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,920 But those close to Gareth 656 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520 said he would always have had a safety back-up plan 657 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,040 where risk was involved, 658 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,080 and this behaviour was entirely out of character. 659 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,440 But then a witness came forward with some startling new evidence. 660 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120 REPORTER: In a statement read out at today's inquest, 661 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,640 his landlady described one night back in 2007, 662 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,280 when she and her husband heard a cry for help at 1:30 in the morning. 663 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,920 Jennifer and Brian Elliot found him dressed just in shorts, 664 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,280 lying on his back, with both hands tied to his bedposts. 665 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,960 NARRATOR: MI6 spy Gareth Williams was found dead in a bag, 666 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160 locked from the outside. 667 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,440 Mysteriously, there were no fingerprints on the scene, 668 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,720 baffling investigators. 669 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,120 The inquest into his death had become focused on two main areas. 670 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,680 Was it somehow linked to his job with the Secret Service? 671 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,000 Or was it a sex act gone wrong? 672 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,960 The sex game theory would suggest Gareth had a fetish 673 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,880 for erotic asphyxiation, 674 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480 an idea which was roundly dismissed by close friends and family. 675 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,400 But then a witness came forward with an extraordinary story. 676 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,360 REPORTER: He was, by all accounts, 677 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,360 a polite and friendly tenant, occupying the annexe of this house. 678 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,080 In a statement read out at today's inquest, 679 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,880 his landlady described one night back in 2007, 680 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,040 when she and her husband heard a cry for help 681 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,080 at 1:30 in the morning. 682 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,200 Jennifer and Brian Elliot found him dressed just in shorts, 683 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,640 lying on his back, with both hands tied to his bedposts. 684 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,160 Suddenly, the erotic fetish theory had gained pace. 685 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,560 But was this witness testimony enough to conclude 686 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480 that Gareth had died accidentally 687 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,720 after entering the bag to fulfil his sexual desires? 688 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,560 The assumption that being found tied up 689 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040 and having to call for help to his landlady 690 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,200 escalating into him being found inside a bag, locked up, 691 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,480 is perhaps parallel to the assumption 692 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960 that if you take weed, you'll end up on heroin. 693 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,800 I don't think it necessarily follows 694 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,480 that everybody that's into bondage 695 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,520 will escalate their fetish into something much more extreme. 696 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880 So, again, you know, I'm doubtful 697 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,680 that the connection is absolutely clear-cut. 698 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,840 In terms of him being found in that situation 699 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,320 of having to call for help... 700 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,160 one thing is true - 701 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,760 he knew that he needed to call out for help, and he did. 702 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,240 So he had an escape route, embarrassing as it may have been. 703 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,760 Then another clue emerged about Gareth's sexual interests. 704 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,000 He had previously used one of his phones 705 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,520 to search for bondage websites. 706 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,480 Was this further proof that this was indeed a sex game gone wrong? 707 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,960 The evidence that we used to form the view 708 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,320 that this was an auto-erotic death was weak. 709 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,720 There wasn't a great deal of evidence. 710 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,600 The evidence that he was tied to the bed in Cheltenham was quite weak. 711 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,520 But when you combine that with the fact that there's no evidence 712 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560 that anyone else was in the flat 713 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,800 and the belief, albeit an extraordinary thing to do, 714 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,360 that it could be that he could have got in this bag on his own, 715 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,200 then it does start to make sense in a... 716 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,920 as a kind of circumstantial explanation of events. 717 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,280 The police could find no evidence of a sexual partner in the flat 718 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,280 in the hours leading up to his death. 719 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,640 Nor was there any hard evidence of his sexuality. 720 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,400 But one curious detail came to light 721 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,640 when searching for clues - 722 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,920 a wardrobe full of women's clothing. 723 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160 They were all bought by him, they were a considerable sum of money, 724 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,320 thousands of pounds spent on women's clothing. 725 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,080 But we've never established why he bought it. 726 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,080 Some of them were still wrapped, 727 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,160 I remember, all wrapped in their tissue and clearly unused. 728 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,600 The suggestion that he may have been buying them for friends - 729 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,880 well, maybe, but they weren't given away 730 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,840 if he had bought them for friends, they were still in his flat, 731 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,920 you know, a considerable amount of them. 732 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,200 So, one's unsure. 733 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,040 He had gone on a fashion course, 734 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,200 they may have been purchased as part of that course, 735 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,680 erm, I don't know. 736 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,920 But is it... is it relevant to his death? 737 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,640 Probably not. 738 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,120 Because he, as the coroner identified, 739 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,920 well, we all identified, he wasn't dressed in any women's clothing 740 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,120 at the time of his death. 741 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,520 It later transpired that Gareth had attended 742 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,600 an evening class in dress design and was fascinated by fashion. 743 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680 A friend explained that the wigs were for a fancy dress party 744 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,000 they were supposed to be attending together. 745 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,000 The sex act theory seemed to be losing momentum. 746 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,840 And other clues started pointing 747 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,520 to a much more harrowing explanation of events. 748 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,200 Gareth's death took place on a warm summer evening in August. 749 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:03,360 So why was the heating turned up to the highest setting? 750 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,920 The high temperature in his flat 751 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,920 resulted in the fast decomposition of the body, 752 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,520 compromising the forensics. 753 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,120 The heating was on, 754 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,920 it plainly contributed to the decomposition of the body. 755 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,400 Some people have speculated that was put on deliberately. 756 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,160 And when a body decomposes, the soft tissues go first, 757 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,240 and injuries can be more difficult or even impossible to identify. 758 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200 This was one of the problems with being definitive 759 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,360 about the cause of death. 760 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,640 They can say that he died of, essentially of suffocation, 761 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,480 but they can't say, for example, 762 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,520 whether he had been punched or attacked or anything like that, 763 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,720 because you couldn't see any signs of this on the skin. 764 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000 I wasn't sure what to make of that. 765 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,720 It does seem a bit odd, but it... 766 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,840 There's no way I can find, 767 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,360 I can make any sense of that in a forensic review. 768 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,920 You're making the assumption, of course, 769 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,480 that somehow, this delay was deliberate, purposeful, 770 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,200 and in intention to ensure total decomposition, 771 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,880 the heating's up. 772 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,840 By whom? 773 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,200 That starts to presuppose that someone else 774 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,200 in the workplace is involved, 775 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,360 and there's simply no evidence for that whatsoever. 776 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,080 But there was another detail in the handling of the case, 777 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,120 this time by MI6, that caused concern. 778 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,840 It took a week for Gareth to be reported missing by the agency. 779 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,080 How was that possible for a working spy? 780 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,600 The coroner, Fiona Wilcox, 781 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,600 picked up on the quite surprising delay 782 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,480 before MI6 actually discovered Gareth's body in his flat. 783 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,720 A delay of over a week. 784 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,920 MI6 officers were summoned to the inquest 785 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,280 to explain how this could have happened. 786 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,400 REPORTER: Among three intelligence officers 787 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,120 who gave evidence anonymously, 788 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,560 was Witness G, Gareth Williams' line manager at MI6. 789 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,680 He was asked to explain why it took a week 790 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,440 to report the spy's absence 791 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,600 after he had failed to turn up for work and for meetings. 792 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,480 With hindsight, he accepted, 793 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040 he should have raised the alarm much sooner. 794 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,520 They found no link between his work and his death, 795 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,360 and offered nothing that could take the inquiry forward. 796 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,800 It just wasn't adding up that MI6, 797 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040 who deal with national security at the highest level, 798 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040 would not notice Gareth's absence for so long. 799 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,840 He'd been due to attend three meetings that week, 800 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,000 but no concerns had been raised, 801 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,240 and none of the usual protocols for absent staff were followed. 802 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,600 It took a phone call from his sister to raise any concern. 803 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,720 The no-show for a week is...an odd one. 804 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,680 Just simply not turning up, 805 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,440 alarm bells should have been ringing 806 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,400 to the extent that, day one of him not turning up, 807 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,560 calls should have been made. 808 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,760 There is a series of protocols 809 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480 that are followed through in that instance, 810 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:21,160 so it's very surprising nothing happened for a full week, 811 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,960 unless it was a complete lapse. 812 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,520 Adding further intrigue, 813 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,800 there was a significant time lag between the phone call to GCHQ 814 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,160 and the subsequent call to the police. 815 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,680 We know that Gareth's sister, Ceri, 816 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,320 contacted the Security Services on the 23rd of August 817 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,040 at 11:30 in the morning, 818 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,080 to express concern that he'd gone missing, apparently. 819 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,840 But the police were not told about this matter until five hours later, 820 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,320 at 4:30. 821 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,200 And what about the phone call itself? 822 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,840 Why wouldn't MI6 attend the address, 823 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,040 a five-minute walk from their office? 824 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,000 Why call 999? 825 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,280 RINGING TONE 826 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,640 CALL OPERATOR: Emergency - which service? 827 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,280 I wanted to report one of our members of staff, 828 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,400 who lives and works in London, as missing. 829 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,200 This does sound very odd, though. 830 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,880 GCHQ obviously has a hotline to the... 831 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,840 You do not need to call 999, 832 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,920 so I do not understand what that phone call was. 833 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:26,280 And if it was an official call from GCHQ to the police, 834 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,560 there's better ways of dealing with it than 999. 835 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,360 I'm surprised by that level of detail, to be honest. 836 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,640 As criticism of MI6 mounted, a further issue was introduced - 837 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,320 nine memory sticks belonging to Gareth were found at his office. 838 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,280 They could have provided important information 839 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,400 but were not handed over to the police, 840 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,400 nor their content revealed. 841 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,840 Their existence only emerged during the last day of the hearing. 842 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,760 Taking any form of electrical equipment 843 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,640 in and out of the likes of MI6 headquarters, 844 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,760 that is extremely difficult. 845 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,160 You can't just take memory sticks into MI6 or MI5 or GCHQ! 846 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,040 You can't take mobile phones. Anything electronic. 847 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,160 And the most sophisticated sensors that exist 848 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,360 are operative in these places to pick up anything. 849 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,960 It was a sacking offence. 850 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,760 If Gareth Williams had taken those memory sticks into MI6 851 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,640 and they had been discovered, 852 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,680 he would have been dismissed immediately. 853 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:34,280 So the fact that memory sticks were in his locker in MI6, 854 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,320 suggest to me that he was authorised to have them there. 855 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,680 This raises questions 856 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,440 about what level of work Gareth was involved in. 857 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,840 Were these memory sticks sanctioned, 858 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880 or had he smuggled them in for his own personal reasons? 859 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,840 Although, if they were deemed suspicious, either by MI6 or GCHQ, 860 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,640 then that's obviously puts doubt in the fact 861 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,000 that they could have been for work purposes. 862 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,480 If, therefore, they belonged to Gareth on a personal level, 863 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,480 then that would beg various questions - 864 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,520 why on Earth would he have been stupid enough 865 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,640 to bring them into one of the most secure, 866 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,320 top-secret buildings on the planet? 867 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,960 If he was doing it for covert espionage reasons, 868 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,720 in other words, he was looking to nick secrets, 869 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,120 that would have been very high-risk, but it is possible. 870 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,040 If that was the case, he would have intended 871 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,600 to have obviously removed them at the first opportunity. 872 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,240 But again, if I'd have been Gareth 873 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120 doing something as untoward as that, 874 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,840 I'd have taken them in, and then upon leaving work, 875 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,920 I'd have taken them out. 876 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480 I would not have left them in situ. 877 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,880 But what kind of secrets or compromising information 878 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,560 could have been stored on these memory sticks? 879 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,760 It could have been stuff 880 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,360 which was not related in any way to what he was doing, 881 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560 and not related to his death in any way, 882 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,240 and which was sensitive material which MI6 didn't want to get out. 883 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840 It could have been that. It could have been GCHQ files. 884 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200 It may have been, in that sense, innocent. 885 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,120 However, if that's the case, 886 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,320 why didn't they declare what was there 887 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,360 at least in terms of generalities? 888 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,960 They could have said to the police, 889 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,200 "We've got nine memory sticks, they contain sensitive information, 890 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,360 "but here are the broad topics which are covered." 891 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,880 The disclosure of the memory sticks so late in the hearing 892 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,720 left the impression that MI6 were less than eager to help. 893 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,480 Indeed, the coroner said, 894 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,040 "It remained a legitimate line of inquiry 895 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,360 "that the Secret Services were involved in Gareth's death." 896 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,400 The interesting question is why MI6 appeared to be so willing 897 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,920 to impede the police investigation 898 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,040 to prevent the real facts about this matter from coming out. 899 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,480 And you have to conclude that there were security reasons 900 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,440 why that should be the case. 901 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,880 Gareth's sexual behaviour became the story. 902 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000 Not the highly secretive work he was involved in. 903 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,360 This way of deflecting public interest away from the truth 904 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,640 is familiar territory for the Secret Service. 905 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,040 So, it's definitely conceivable that Gareth Williams 906 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,160 was effectively sacrificed, in reputational terms, 907 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,880 because it was deemed to be necessary for the national interest 908 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,640 to be carried out. 909 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,520 That's unfortunate, but, I mean, there is a history 910 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,560 of that sort of thing occurring in our country. 911 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,160 Stephen Milligan, the former Conservative MP 912 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,560 who was investigating arms to Iraq, 913 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,040 who was found dead in a sexually compromising position, 914 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,120 wearing suspenders and stockings, and with an orange in his mouth. 915 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,480 And, of course, that was the story which then became the news, 916 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,520 rather than what he was investigating, 917 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,680 as an MP, about dodgy arms deals. 918 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,440 There's also questions of how the press found that out. 919 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,800 They weren't there in his kitchen, were they? 920 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,960 They were told by the police about this 921 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,920 in order to generate that story. 922 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,720 Then there's Jonathan Moyle, 923 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,240 the defence journalist based in Santiago, 924 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,040 who was found stuffed into a hotel cupboard 925 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,240 in a way that implied some sort of sexual deviancy. 926 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,080 But the reality is that Jonathan Moyle had discovered 927 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,000 the sale of 50 helicopters, at a very sensitive time, 928 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,520 to Saddam Hussein. 929 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,280 Subsequently, the Chilean authorities 930 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,720 concluded he'd been murdered, 931 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,320 and that was endorsed by a British coroner. 932 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,680 I imagine that the family will have been distraught. 933 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,520 And then when he is smeared, 934 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,960 totally inappropriately and disgracefully, 935 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,080 probably by his own employers, 936 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,480 then that becomes a matter of deep regret and disgust. 937 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,840 I suspect that what MI6 did not want to say was, 938 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,440 "This was an operational death." 939 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,480 That Gareth Williams was doing something 940 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,600 that put him in harm's way, he agreed to do it 941 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,920 and, unfortunately, paid for it with his life. 942 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,240 But the balance was between our national security 943 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,400 and giving her the full story. 944 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,800 And the decision was taken that national security should win out, 945 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,680 and it has always been like that in this country. 946 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,040 But if the British Secret Service 947 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,720 was somehow involved in or covered up Gareth's murder, 948 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,960 the ultimate question remains - 949 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,840 why did they do it? 950 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,880 I think what Gareth may have stumbled across 951 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,760 is the identity of a Russian mole in GCHQ, 952 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,440 and that would have caused them to conclude he had to be eliminated. 953 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:54,640 NARRATOR: Gareth Williams was found dead, locked inside a bag, aged 31. 954 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,000 His work as an MI6 spy 955 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,720 meant the case had become headline news all over the world. 956 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,720 But was it murder or self-inflicted? 957 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,800 The coroner suspected foul play, but with insufficient evidence, 958 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,120 could only give a narrative verdict. 959 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,920 I've always been satisfied that a third party 960 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,880 may have been involved in his death, 961 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,880 and the coroner has confirmed that in her finding today. 962 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,800 The news headlines were quick to run salacious stories 963 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,880 about Gareth's private life. 964 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,040 Thousands of column inches were devoted 965 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,600 to his interest in bondage and women's clothing. 966 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,440 But could it have been that these very secrets were discovered 967 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,760 by Russian security forces and used as leverage for blackmail? 968 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,120 Fifty years ago, when I was a student, 969 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,200 if you were a homosexual, 970 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:49,240 you could not work for a secret British agency, 971 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,760 because you laid yourself open to blackmail. 972 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,200 Well, there's a very simple answer to that, which is to tell people, 973 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,040 for the people to accept that that's fine, 974 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,760 that's how you want to live your life, 975 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,840 as long as it doesn't get in the way of your professional duties, 976 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,040 that's fine. 977 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,560 And if you tell them, at a stroke, you remove the blackmail threat. 978 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,360 And I don't think getting kicks 979 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,680 by tying yourself up in bed 980 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:24,600 would put you in a position where you were being blackmailed. 981 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,160 For MI6 officers, 982 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,520 we are briefed about the potential of hostile agencies, 983 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,320 particularly the more sophisticated hostile agencies, 984 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,280 such as one belonging to the Russians, 985 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,880 approaching us as officers 986 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,200 and putting something compromising in front of us. 987 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,400 The rule of thumb with that, the organisation, MI6's attitude, 988 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,800 it was if that happens, 989 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,680 if you're approached, look them in the eye and say, 990 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,920 "Publish and be damned." 991 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,800 And then come back and be honest with us, MI6. 992 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,560 That is the approach taken - be defiant. 993 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,400 Do not allow a hostile agency 994 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,600 to get its hooks into you through blackmail. 995 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,920 So, I would anticipate that Gareth Williams 996 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,960 would have in fact been quite open with MI6 about his preferences. 997 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,560 However, the Russians may not have known that and, of course, 998 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,480 the Russians do specialise in kompromat, 999 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,440 when they secure information about someone's personal activities 1000 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440 and try to use that as blackmail. 1001 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,280 That's a technique going back decades 1002 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,560 which the Russians are very keen on. 1003 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,520 Despite a thorough police investigation 1004 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,800 and an inquest that had examined all the events 1005 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,200 leading up to the discovery of his body in forensic detail, 1006 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,760 his death remained a mystery. 1007 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,120 Speculation continued that Russian forces were somehow involved, 1008 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,560 but no definitive link had been found. 1009 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,840 Then, something extraordinary happened, 1010 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,680 a former Major in the KGB came forward 1011 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,000 with some startling information. 1012 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,640 Boris Karpichkov was someone who was in touch with me, 1013 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,160 who I think was also fearful for his own position in this country, 1014 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,240 given the number of suspicious deaths of Russians 1015 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,920 which had been occurring. 1016 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,920 And he believes he knows what happened from his contact, 1017 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,640 which he still maintains, 1018 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,320 within the Russian state and the Russian Security Services. 1019 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,320 Karpichkov explained that Gareth had been identified 1020 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,720 as a person of interest to the Russian Secret Service. 1021 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,160 They were aware of his sexual interests 1022 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,320 and were trying to blackmail him into working for them. 1023 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,200 I think what Gareth may have stumbled across 1024 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,000 is the identity of a Russian mole in GCHQ. 1025 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,760 And I believe he would have told his MI6 handlers about that matter. 1026 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,600 And they would have been fully in the picture. 1027 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,960 That being the case, the Russians would have concluded, perhaps, 1028 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,880 that Gareth Williams had to be disposed of 1029 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,520 in order to protect their source within GCHQ Cheltenham. 1030 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,480 That would give a reason for his disposal. 1031 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,320 But not everyone agreed with this new intel. 1032 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,480 That article appears in the newspaper, almost unattributable. 1033 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,440 There's no further source to it, and it's printed, 1034 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,680 and then that becomes an alleged truth. 1035 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,040 And I don't understand that at all. 1036 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,560 The whole story is fantastic, but it doesn't come with evidence. 1037 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,720 It doesn't come with witness statements. 1038 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,000 It doesn't come with any subsequent inquiry 1039 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,840 from the police or the security services. 1040 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,440 It's a story which is published just this side of anonymous, 1041 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,360 faceless, certainly. 1042 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,560 And what does one do with that? Where does that come from? 1043 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,360 If someone knows that much information, 1044 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,320 how come it's not then subject to full scrutiny 1045 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,440 and a resolution? 1046 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,440 Ultimately, Karpichkov's claims could never be proved, 1047 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,240 and the case went cold. 1048 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:58,280 Then, in 2024, Gareth Williams was once again front-page news. 1049 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,200 It seems the police wanted to re-examine matters 1050 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,400 for any new DNA evidence. 1051 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,560 The suggestion was that if new DNA were discovered, 1052 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,960 it could open new avenues. 1053 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,160 There were two new bits that could have been reinvestigated 1054 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,480 with new forensic technology. 1055 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,920 One was a hair that was found in what had previously been described 1056 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,760 as a forensically cleaned crime scene, 1057 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,200 and there was a green towel as well. 1058 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,480 The Met decided to have a real look at this case. 1059 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,600 Here is a case that's unsolved. 1060 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,640 We think there is new technology that might give us more evidence. 1061 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,840 It may be a homicide, it may be an accident, it may be a suicide. 1062 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,440 Is there something we've missed? 1063 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,680 Fourteen years after Gareth's body had been discovered locked in a bag, 1064 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,640 was a fresh forensic review about to reveal all? 1065 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,840 Or was it an attempt to hide the truth? 1066 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,480 We have to ask why the examination took place. 1067 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,120 Was it really to find out whether there was new DNA 1068 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,320 to prove something else, 1069 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,440 or was it to reinforce their erroneous conclusion 1070 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,280 that he was alone and committed suicide? 1071 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,160 It's a classic cover-up. 1072 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,200 I know how the intelligence agencies roll. 1073 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,920 I know how the media can be controlled 1074 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,480 by soft and hard power, particularly in the UK. 1075 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,360 The mystery isn't solved. 1076 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,320 If the police think it is, they're deluding themselves 1077 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,040 or trying to delude the public. 1078 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,440 NARRATOR: MI6 operative Gareth Williams had been found dead, 1079 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,040 locked inside a sports bag in the bathroom of his London flat. 1080 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,840 An inquest in 2012 couldn't offer his grieving family 1081 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,240 any definitive answers. 1082 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,000 But in 2024, reports emerged that the police had ordered 1083 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,960 a fresh forensic review of the case. 1084 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,440 So, the stated aim was for the police 1085 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,040 to use new forensic techniques to investigate the one rogue hair 1086 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,200 that hadn't been cleaned up in the professional cleaning of the flat. 1087 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,920 And also, potentially find new forensic details 1088 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,480 from a towel that was found there. 1089 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,200 I was invited to review this case by the Metropolitan Police in 2012. 1090 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,920 We made a range of recommendations, 1091 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,280 and to keep it simple, 1092 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,880 we categorised the recommendations 1093 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,200 in relation to the forensic evidence. 1094 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,640 So one of the categories was "This isn't very clear". 1095 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,320 Another category was "Look out for new technology here". 1096 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,320 So what we were saying to Met is, 1097 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,680 "Don't take your eye off the ball here. 1098 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,320 "Every time some kind of new technology comes along, 1099 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600 "pull the case back out, have another look at it, 1100 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,280 "see if it can give you more information or evidence." 1101 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,280 Fourteen years after Gareth died, 1102 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,040 investigators were now able to take advantage 1103 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,440 of huge advances in DNA science. 1104 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,000 The Met will almost have certainly been using 1105 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,600 something which is called DNA17. 1106 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,280 It's a very detailed and refined 1107 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,760 analytical way of DNA profiling. 1108 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,800 This was not technology that was available at the time, 1109 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,920 and it gives very reliable results. 1110 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,160 In early 2024, the Met released the results of its review. 1111 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,360 The police re-examination apparently found no new DNA 1112 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,680 on the holdall or the padlock or the bag, generally. 1113 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720 And also found, for the first time, apparently, 1114 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,400 DNA on a green towel which belonged to Gareth. 1115 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,680 My interpretation of these results, 1116 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,960 the particular mention of the green towel and the hair 1117 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,880 is that they've found no other information. 1118 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240 So what the Met seem to be saying, basically, 1119 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,320 is that their view hasn't changed. 1120 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,800 That there was no third party involved in this 1121 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,200 and that Gareth got into the bag himself 1122 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,320 and it appears to be an autoerotic event. 1123 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,800 The police now feel it's even more likely 1124 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,520 that Gareth was alone when he died. 1125 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,280 But some of those close to the case have serious doubts. 1126 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,200 First of all, it's hardly surprising that DNA was found 1127 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,120 from Gareth on his towel, so that proves nothing. 1128 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,480 And for the police to conclude that this meant he was alone 1129 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,440 is an absurd conclusion to reach. 1130 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,440 The conclusion the police ought to have reached 1131 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,160 is because no DNA was present anywhere, 1132 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,200 somebody must have been in there to clean it. 1133 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,000 The latest review was tasked only with finding 1134 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,240 new forensic opportunities in the case. 1135 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,120 But not everyone believes the Met's brief was wide-ranging enough. 1136 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,960 The suggestion that this limited, highly limited, 1137 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,800 re-examination by the police 1138 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,400 solves the mystery is absurd. 1139 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,200 Why was the heating on full in the middle of summer in his flat? 1140 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,880 Why was the bathroom light off where his body was found 1141 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,600 and the door closed? 1142 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,960 Why is it that his credit cards were used, 1143 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,800 and who used them in the week following his death 1144 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,160 and before his body was discovered? 1145 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,320 Why is it that locks were removed from his flat 1146 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,880 before the police arrived? 1147 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,440 In terms of Gareth Williams' absence for a week 1148 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,040 before it was noticed he was not coming into MI6, 1149 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,400 I think that's appalling. 1150 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,360 I remember working in MI5. 1151 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,880 You didn't come in for one day, they would get panicked and say, 1152 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,440 "What's happened?" You know, "Has something awful happened?" 1153 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,080 We know that security services were unhelpful 1154 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,800 in terms of Jackie Sebire's investigation, 1155 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480 and she only found out at the coroner's inquest 1156 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,760 that there had been nine memory sticks 1157 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,160 which she had not been told about which Gareth had 1158 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,760 and which had subsequently been wiped. 1159 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,040 I just, one, feel sorry for him, 1160 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,920 and, two, feel sorry for his family, 1161 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,600 and, three, feel bloody angry 1162 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,440 about the fact that the intelligence agencies 1163 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,840 can always sweep everything like this, every scandal, 1164 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,280 under the blanket of national security. 1165 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,560 Was someone else involved in his death? I would suggest yes. 1166 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,400 And the fact that it was the murder squad, the homicide squad, 1167 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,080 that was sent in to investigate where they didn't have clearance 1168 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,800 to do a proper, full investigation 1169 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,560 and to freely interrogate Gareth Williams' colleagues at MI6, 1170 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,320 that, to me, does smack slightly of a potential cover-up. 1171 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,880 It's my view that the coroner got this absolutely right 1172 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,320 in concluding that it was probably an unlawful killing. 1173 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,520 An escapologist tried 300 times or thereabouts 1174 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,000 to lock himself into this bag, 1175 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:38,040 to zip it up, to lock the padlock, to put the key under his body. 1176 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,640 And I don't think he even tried to do it in the difficult circumstances 1177 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,520 that Gareth was alleged to have done. 1178 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,640 But he concluded he couldn't do it. 1179 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,280 The fact of the matter is that there was no DNA on the bag, 1180 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,120 on the padlock, on the zip or anything else to give... 1181 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,560 The flat gave the impression of having been cleaned. 1182 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,880 I suspect that what was responsible for his death 1183 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,320 was the work that he was doing for MI6. 1184 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,640 I also suspect that work 1185 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,960 almost certainly involved developing 1186 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,520 some kind of a technical relationship, 1187 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,880 personal technical relationship, 1188 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,040 with a hostile intelligence service. 1189 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:27,920 And increasingly, since 2014, I believe, come to believe, 1190 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,640 that hostile intelligence agency was Russian in origin. 1191 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:39,160 And I think that his death was arranged 1192 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,120 and executed by agents, 1193 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,480 officers of the Russian Government. 1194 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:51,360 We know that the Russians were busy causing deaths in London 1195 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,880 over a period of time. 1196 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,680 We also know the authorities were keen to turn a blind eye to that 1197 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,000 for political reasons at the time. 1198 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,560 And that was indeed their view 1199 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,680 until the events in Salisbury some years later. 1200 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,240 One of the difficulties that I had in this case 1201 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,880 was trying to see through the fog of conspiracy theories, 1202 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,040 some of which were completely outlandish. 1203 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,280 The best evidence we have suggests 1204 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,760 that Gareth did get into that bag on his own, 1205 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,760 and the best explanation is that it was autoerotic event. 1206 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,880 So, for me, nothing has changed. 1207 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,880 That was the view I reached in 2012, 1208 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,920 there has been no additional information 1209 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,880 that has come my way since then, 1210 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,800 and I reach the same conclusion in 2024. 1211 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,600 Gareth Williams, as far as I can tell, 1212 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,160 was a loyal subject for this country. 1213 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,240 He didn't deserve to die in the way he died, 1214 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,880 and he certainly didn't deserve to be rubbished afterwards 1215 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,240 by the implication that this was some sort of sexual activity. 1216 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,880 It's important to remember that the secretive world of MI6 1217 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,400 means we don't know what Gareth was or was not involved in, 1218 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,960 or what level he was operating at. 1219 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,800 However, the head of MI6, Sir John Sawers, certainly did. 1220 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,200 He made a point of attending Gareth's funeral, 1221 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,080 praising his enormous talent 1222 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,720 and his valuable contribution to our national security. 1223 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,680 Maybe Sir John Sawers turning up at the funeral is, in a sense, 1224 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,760 giving him a posthumous medal. 1225 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,640 The balance of evidence suggests that Gareth Williams 1226 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,920 should be remembered as a hero 1227 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:37,080 who was killed in the course of operations 1228 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,520 and by enemy action. 1229 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,440 In such a public death, 1230 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,360 Gareth's life was thrown under the microscope, 1231 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,160 and his true character lost in theories and supposition. 1232 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,640 It's good to remember who he was 1233 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,840 and what he meant to those who loved him. 1234 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,360 At the inquest, 1235 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,600 his sister said some beautiful words about Gareth. 1236 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,160 She said, "In terms of a big brother figure, 1237 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,760 "Gareth was perfect. 1238 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,240 "It is impossible to do justice 1239 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,520 "to Gareth's impressive character without meeting him." 1240 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,840 The understanding is his family really knew him, 1241 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,200 and by the sounds of things, really accepted him for who he was, 1242 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,800 exactly as he was. 1243 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,440 That's very precious. 1244 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,120 Should we all be so lucky to be fully accepted by our families. 104804

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