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He was like,
"Oh, wow."
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Like, yeah, this-- this is...
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this is authentic.
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-I'm ready whenever...
-I'm answering you...
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not the camera.
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-Ow.
-Sorry.
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I'm just teasing.
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-That's a big question.
-Okay.
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-Good. That's a good question.
-Hm, that's interesting.
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Start that over.
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Yeah, man.
Some shit's about to go down.
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You literally were like, "Oh."
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Oh, man.
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That might be the hardest
question you asked me today.
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It's a beautiful thing.
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I mean, it's not that simple.
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It's difficult for me to kind
of put it into words.
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I'd love to give you the
kind of two minute, uh...
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Wait. Uh, how are you
gonna ban greatness?
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What was the question?
Just remind me to get back in.
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Everyone has their own
connection to it, right?
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The sneaker.
Somebody got shot for a pair.
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That's what we're
gonna talk about.
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That's the dumbest shit
in the world.
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I'm not trying to take
a political stance with a shoe.
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Now, get out of here please.
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Damn. That really just changed
the entire course.
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Hard to explain.
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And it's...
it's like it's just a shoe.
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You know...
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I don't really remember a shoe
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having that kind
of effect before.
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I don't think they could
comprehend the impact.
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It was about a red pair
of shoes.
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It's got to be the shoe.
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Yeah, motherfucker,
it is the shoes!
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It was about
a red pair of shoes.
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It rose like a phoenix
out of the ashes.
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That gave a voice
to the voiceless.
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Go.
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It's got to be the shoes.
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♪ Let's do it ♪
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♪ Hey, hey, hey ♪
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♪ Hey, hey, hey ♪
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♪ Come on, come on ♪
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♪ If man
Is the father of the son ♪
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♪ Is the center
Of the earth ♪
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♪ In the middle
Of the universe ♪
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♪ Then why
Is this verse comin' ♪
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♪ Six times rehearsed ♪
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♪ Don't freestyle much
But I write 'em like such ♪
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♪ Amongst the fiends
Controlled by the screens ♪
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♪ What does it all mean
All this shit I'm seein' ♪
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♪ Human beings
Scream vocal javelins ♪
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♪ Sign of a local nigga
Unravelin' ♪
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Chuck D, raptivist,
rap artist, Public Enemy.
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Early 1980s,
I was 20 years old,
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and knew he was in trouble
when Reagan became president
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and Bush became vice president.
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Here's
a brief segment...
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You had slum, ghetto situations
of disenfranchised and then
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non-servicing before.
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But you didn't have
that particular drug
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of cocaine going into crack
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and you didn't have
the plethora of guns...
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ever before.
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It was not a good look
for people of color
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and progressive people.
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People, you know, are trying
to like express themselves.
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You know,
whether it was a music artist
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wanting to have
their own voice,
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whether it was
a fashion designer
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wanting to be avant-garde
and have their own voice.
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Everybody wanted to have
their own voice.
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There was something
that had been brewing.
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-We wanted to be heard.
-We had gotten into
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a very conservative movement
in the early '80s
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where the moral majority
was coming out.
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We had gone through
some economic hardships.
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We had just come out of the
Vietnam War and Watergate.
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So I think people were
looking for heroes.
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People who were clamoring,
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looking for someone to just
express our sensibilities
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and our style and our taste.
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I remember the environment
that I was in.
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I was like,
"This... "This ain't it.
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You know, there has to be more."
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Not has to be.
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I know there's more
to it than this.
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Well, some
of the same things
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that we were going through then
that still affects us today,
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so as much as I like
to believe things have changed,
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the-- some things
are just constant.
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That decade was--
it was a certain
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reality that had changed
from the '70s.
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We are everywhere!
Fight that!
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Graffiti is not an art.
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-Give us what we want.
-Give us what we want!
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Rise up! Fight back!
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-Our street!
-Our street!
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-Our street!
-Our street!
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-Our street!
-Our street!
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The NBA was in a fairly
precarious position.
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Coming off those years
in the '70s,
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the NBA was still viewed
as a niche sport.
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The national television audience
at that time
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being a largely white audience
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and there was
a lot of speculation
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that we'd never be able
to have a league
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that had such a high percentage
of African-American players
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and sell out to the public.
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NBA action.
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It's fantastic.
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Despite the success
of Magic and Larry.
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Like you-- that, you know,
it didn't have the feel
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of Major League Baseball
or the NFL in terms of
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broad popularity.
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We were struggling
with some really unfair
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stereotypes about NBA players.
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Guys were doing
coke. Guys was doing pot.
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Guys we're dying.
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Guys were being banned
from the league.
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And a fight
between J and Bird
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has broken out on the court.
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We were constantly
trying to upgrade
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the public image of both
the game and the players.
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So it was
an outlaw league and, again,
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the ratings went down,
and the popularity went down.
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And David Stern came in.
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I was the commissioner
of the NBA from '84 to 2014.
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It was a-- a difficult time
for the league
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in terms of-- we didn't have
a TV contract to speak of.
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There was no... video capture.
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But I think we might
have been in a relationship
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with Converse,
as the official shoe of the NBA.
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And Converse had no idea
what to do with the NBA.
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Just wanted to get
through the day.
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It was that difficult.
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If you knew
anything about Nike,
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Nike stood on this kind
of rebel-ish behavior.
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Almost a foundation
built on rebellion.
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John McEnroe,
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Prefontaine,
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was rebels.
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Answer my question!
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The question, jerk!
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Nike was a very volatile,
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much smaller, but, um, very
aggressive and volatile place
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and you really didn't know if
you had a job from day to day.
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It was, quite frankly, crazy.
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It was crazy. Was nutty.
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My name is Tinker Hatfield
and I'm director of--
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I don't even know my title.
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Let me start this over.
I'm gonna make up one.
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People didn't even know
how to pronounce Nike.
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I mean, what is this?
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There was a time when the people
of the outside world, the uh--
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and the media were wondering
what's happening with Nike.
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I'm Phil Knight.
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Nike had lost touch
of who they were,
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the integral company
that they had abandoned.
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And I told Nike, you know,
"You guys gotta
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get back to that.
That's who you are,
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that's the heart and soul
of your company."
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And they said,
"Nah, that's not us.
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We're not that company anymore."
And I said,
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"Well, you better fucking
get back to being that company."
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Obviously,
I don't think you can foresee
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what happened.
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When you disrupt...
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people can't help
but pay attention.
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No one wants to walk
in the same shoes.
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It's not real. That's not--
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it's not how we're built
as human beings,
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to all walk in the same way.
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Trying to change the tone...
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And there's always a look
for a stand
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in one direction or another.
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Uh, where that stand's
gonna come,
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who's gonna unify,
when is enough?
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And from time to time,
in every generation,
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there's something--
there's some rebels
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that kind of, shake stuff up.
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And it's like Sam Cooke said,
"A change is gonna come."
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Nothing much
I can do about it.
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My name is Elizabeth Semmelhack
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and I'm the creator
of the rising sneaker culture
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and the author
of Out of the Box:
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The Rise of Sneaker Culture.
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Early sneakers
were actually symbols of status.
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Created in
the middle of the 19th Century,
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for lawn tennis.
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The fact that you had
a rubberized sole
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meant you could play
on damp grass.
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And of course lawn tennis
was something that was enjoyed
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by the privileged few.
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But by the end
of World War II
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sneakers become
the footwear of childhood
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and they lose all status.
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We didn't wanna be
associated with wearing sneakers
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because people who wore sneakers
everyday didn't have money.
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So we would carry
our sneakers to the park.
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And it's not until the 1970s
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that the sneaker is returned
to an item of status.
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There was a time
in America, I mean,
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it was all Converse.
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Canvas Converse, white or black,
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high top or low top.
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And it cost five dollars
back in the day.
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You had to beg your parents.
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Five dollars for a sneaker
back in the day...
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that was a lot of fucking money.
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But when you got
your first pair of Cons,
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the whole block
would come out.
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That was the start
of hot shoes.
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Chuck Taylor
is the first person
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to have his name
on a sneaker.
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If I asked the average person,
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"What does Chuck Taylor
look like?"
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They'd know the shoe,
but they don't remember him.
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When I was growing up,
Dr. J had Converses.
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And they would say,
"Hey, Dr. J,
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where you get those moves?"
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♪ Where'd you get
Those moves? ♪
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♪ You move with such grace ♪
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♪ Are you a member
Of the human race? ♪
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♪ Hey, Dr. J. ♪
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And we wore Converse
in the hood...
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but we didn't like them
as much as we liked other shoes.
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Fila was a big
hood sneaker for a while.
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You know, I wore them,
but also wore other brands.
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You could see Adidas around.
Like, you know,
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a few people had Adidas,
a few people
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had Converse,
or whatever your thing was.
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Adidas is special
because of Run-DMC.
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Word up, and we always rock
our Adidas on our feet.
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♪ I wear my Adidas
When I rock the beat ♪
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♪ On stage front page
Every show I go ♪
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♪ My Adidas ♪
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No. Let me start again.
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If your sneakers slip and slide,
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get the one
that's starts inside,
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ask your moms, empty her purse
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to get the ones
that say Converse.
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I'm from the time
when it was weird to have
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tons of sneakers.
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Back in the day,
people would come in
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and try on like,
five or six pairs.
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Just cause the way
they looked on the wall,
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instead of hunting and knowing
what you're coming for.
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It was, like, you had to have
your own sense of style.
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The game was, I'mma
walk into the sneaker store
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every other day
and see what they got new.
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It's just that--
it was weird to have
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20, 30, 40, 50...
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Like it was--
like, "What the fuck
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are you doing
with that many sneakers?
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Sneakers were always
a big deal in my house.
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We grew up in
a very poor neighborhood.
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If there was anything you were
gonna take care of
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and-- and really cherish,
it was a pair of shoes.
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Growing up in the hood
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before we had cars,
we had shoes.
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Our shoes were our Bentleys,
our Maybachs.
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You know, that's what they were.
That's how we treated them.
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Our connection, my connection
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is they might make you
play better.
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Dumbest thought in the world.
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Now, that's who this shoe
was made for.
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Magic Johnson
and Larry Bird
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had shoes called Weapons.
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And they did an ad
back-to-back
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holding the-- the sneaker
like it was a gun.
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Nobody cared.
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They didn't really sell across
to New York City cats
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just because guys played ball.
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But everybody
didn't play basketball.
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You didn't wait for
All-Star Weekend to come out
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so that you can go buy...
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Charles Barkley's sneaker.
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You didn't really
wanna have anything to do
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with your athlete idols
off court.
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You just wanted to see them
on the field.
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And then
when you saw them,
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you know,
post-game interviews
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or if you were lucky enough
to catch them in the street
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or whatever it was...
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you're like,
"Wait. This is the guy
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that I idolize on,
which his style is so weird."
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If you was a good
basketball player
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that was second
to being a good hustler.
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We didn't wear basketball
sneakers around Harlem.
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Sneaker culture
in basketball,
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everything was really
kind of basic and generic.
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It was white and black,
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white in the team color.
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Everybody kind of had
the same formulas.
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It was just cup soles
and standard toe cups,
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and then you would have
every brand
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to stamp their logo
along the middle.
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Things were stale
and a little flat in the world
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of basketball shoes.
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Jason Mayden,
former senior design director
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for Jordan brand.
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I wouldn't call myself
a sneakerhead.
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I mean, you never get high
off your own supply.
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You don't do that.
Rules of the game, man.
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You can't make the stuff
then covet the stuff.
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In '84, I became
a fulltime employee
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for like--
I'm not a shoe designer,
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I'm a very good
problem solver though.
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A lot of Nike's original
designers didn't come from
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industrial design. They came
from different disciplines.
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And so they knew
how to manipulate
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-materials and processes.
-In '84,
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Nike was not a design company.
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It was a half-ass
shoe company.
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And it was more
of a marketing effort
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than it was anything else.
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Adidas was killing Nike,
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marketing-wise.
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They were like the fashion hit,
not Nike.
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And the shoes weren't selling.
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Our main objective
was to get into basketball.
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Even though they had some sales
to a 16-year-old kid
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that we were trying to attract
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didn't think of Nike
as anything other than
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a running shoe company.
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Well, it may be the
20th century and all that
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but there are still
people out there who run
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as if their life
depended on it.
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We weren't part
of any federations.
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We didn't support
the NBA, or the NFL, or...
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It was kind of some kind
of a controlled, uh, mayhem.
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That was a very
early time period and,
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you know,
we had Moses Malone.
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Big boy'd just become MVP.
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They had just won
a championship.
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We had quite
a few players.
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But Converse had Bird,
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Isaiah, Mark Aguirre, you know.
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So they had a large pool.
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And we were kind of the upstart,
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up and coming company.
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When you ain't
got the ball,
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00:18:24,812 --> 00:18:26,522
you can't shoot the ball.
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00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:31,027
Nike.
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00:18:31,652 --> 00:18:34,530
Peter Moore knew
that they wanted something
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to be revolutionary
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00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:38,534
and change people's eyes
and how they looked at things.
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00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:42,163
He was fascinated by air,
flight.
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They really loved
the idea of flying.
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I was fascinated
because of the opportunities
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that it would allow you
to ride on air.
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-You needed flare.
-...against two.
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Bird a runner. It's good.
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You needed showmanship.
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00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:05,144
What a pass.
Magic Johnson...
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You needed air.
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We had a lot of good players.
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We had a lot of players
on uh, the NBA All-Star Team.
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But we didn't really have
a marquee player.
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We didn't have anybody
that was First Team, All-NBA.
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And we needed to get a player
that could play at that level.
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And I mean the whole
marketing thing with Nike
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was Rob Strasser's
genius idea to attach
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an athlete to the brand.
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00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:47,520
So he calls
Sonny Vaccaro,
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who was his basketball guy.
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00:19:50,231 --> 00:19:53,484
Sonny Vaccaro said,
"We need to sign the kid."
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That was the phrase
he used, "the kid".
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What do you mean
we need to sign the kid?
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We have $500,000.
We wanna sign three players.
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00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:02,576
He goes, "No.
You only need one player."
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-Steal by Dr. J.
-Johnson.
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-McHale...
-...to Larry Bird.
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-Malone for the dunk.
-Kareem Abdul-Jabaar.
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Who could be a guy
who could fly through the air?
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00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:13,504
Who could be our Jumpman?
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Here goes Jordan
for the dunk. Holy hell.
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♪ Come on, come on, come on ♪
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I'm just a freshman
on the block.
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The tie... 18.
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00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:32,815
-Jordan!
-Jordan!
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...with Michael Jordan...
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I'm Roy Firestone.
I'm a broadcaster.
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In 1984, I interviewed
Michael Jordan.
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00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,536
I think he might have been
19 years old.
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00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:48,205
The word is that Michael Jordan
is going back
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to North Carolina next year,
will not turn pro.
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Have you definitely
made up your mind?
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Can you say it
without equivocation
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-that you're going back?
-Yes, I think can.
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00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:58,174
But right now
I am gonna be coming back.
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00:20:58,174 --> 00:20:59,842
Michael Jordan
wasn't even sure
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if he was gonna come out
of the 1984 draft.
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00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:04,346
He wanted to stay
maybe his senior year
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00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:06,140
at North Carolina
but he wasn't sure.
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00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:08,142
When we were scouting Michael,
we obviously
402
00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:11,353
had the opportunity
to see him at North Carolina.
403
00:21:11,353 --> 00:21:14,773
They played a passing game,
teammate oriented.
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00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:17,818
Not very much
one-on-one basketball.
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00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:19,653
I would never
make it as a scout.
406
00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:21,906
I certainly
don't remember thinking
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00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:24,992
in college when I watched him,
that I could be watching
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00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:27,536
possibly the greatest player
ever to play the game.
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00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:30,289
And I saw him a fair amount.
I was at Duke,
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00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:33,334
ACC schools and huge
Carolina rivalry.
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00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:35,085
Here's James Worthy,
the great
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00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:36,420
All-American
power forward...
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00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:39,465
James Worthy,
Sam Perkins, Brad Daugherty,
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I mean, it was a great
a Carolina program.
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00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,053
They're gonna take
Michael Jordan out of the game.
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00:21:44,053 --> 00:21:46,514
He was All-American.
He won the Wooden Award.
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00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:49,725
But he wasn't a flashy,
thrilling player.
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00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,186
He wasn't Kobe Bryant
in high school even.
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00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,479
You knew he was good,
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00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:57,358
but he was a component part
of a great team.
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00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,072
In '84, Jordan is ready
to come back
422
00:22:03,072 --> 00:22:05,324
for his senior year of college
and Dean Smith tells him,
423
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:06,659
"No, it's time to leave."
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00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:08,035
The same thing
with James Worthy.
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00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:09,912
It's like it became an edict
from the coach
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00:22:09,912 --> 00:22:11,247
that it was time
for you to leave
427
00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:13,499
because it was too risky
for you to stay otherwise.
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00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:14,833
You're ready for the NBA.
429
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:19,338
Today, live from the
Felt Forum in New York City,
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00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,715
The USA Network presents
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00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:25,344
the 1984 NBA College Draft.
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00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,431
And in that draft
you had the number one pick
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00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:32,226
in the NBA, Hakeem Olajuwon
from Nigeria.
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00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,895
The number two pick
was Sam Bowie,
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00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:37,022
drafted by the Portland
Trailblazers.
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00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,566
And that left us with Michael.
437
00:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,152
The Chicago Bulls...
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00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,655
pick Michael Jordan
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00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,907
from the University
of North Carolina.
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00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:48,826
There were people
who would tell you
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00:22:48,826 --> 00:22:49,994
that they thought Michael Jordan
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00:22:49,994 --> 00:22:52,121
was the best player
in the 1984 draft,
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00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:53,455
but he was a six-foot-six
shooting guard.
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00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:56,750
You drafted centers.
If there was an available center
445
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,460
that you thought could be
a game changer,
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00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:59,753
that would be
who you would take.
447
00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:02,673
I think if we had
the first pick,
448
00:23:02,673 --> 00:23:04,341
we might have taken Olajuwon.
449
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:17,521
1984 Olympics
were here.
450
00:23:17,855 --> 00:23:20,566
The United States Olympic
basketball team was here.
451
00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,776
Michael Jordan was playing
on that basketball team.
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00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:25,237
George Raveling was an
assistant coach of that team.
453
00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,865
And his best friend
was Sonny Vaccaro.
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00:23:27,865 --> 00:23:30,451
They went to Tony Roma's
in Santa Monica.
455
00:23:30,451 --> 00:23:32,995
David Falk,
Michael Jordan's agent was there
456
00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:34,538
and they started to talk.
457
00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:37,499
We didn't know
anything about Michael Jordan.
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00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:38,876
All I knew about Jordan
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00:23:38,876 --> 00:23:40,794
is he's the son of a bitch
who shot the shot
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00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:42,671
that beat Georgetown,
which was
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00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:44,256
our school,
you know.
462
00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:46,884
So why are we gonna go
get this guy?
463
00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,178
And your only wisdom was,
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00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,055
"Well, let's get three of them."
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00:23:51,555 --> 00:23:53,974
You know, Olajuwon
was the number one pick.
466
00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:56,477
Barkley was the most
fun-looking guy
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00:23:56,477 --> 00:23:58,228
in all of college basketball.
468
00:23:58,228 --> 00:23:59,647
And then you have
a little white guy
469
00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:01,732
from Gonzaga,
John Stockton.
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00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:04,652
I had seen Jordan
beat Georgetown.
471
00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:07,154
I don't understand
Nostradamus thing.
472
00:24:07,154 --> 00:24:10,783
Except I knew he was right.
I said, "It's Jordan."
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00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,243
And they were, "Okay, well,
we got this much money,
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00:24:13,243 --> 00:24:15,079
we'll give them this much.
475
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:16,455
And we'll give Barkley
this much
476
00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:17,956
and we'll give
this guy that much."
477
00:24:17,956 --> 00:24:19,166
And I said, "No.
478
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,502
Give 'em all the money
you have. Go all in.
479
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,463
You got to give
the kid everything you got.
480
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:26,632
You know, he's worn
Converse in college.
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00:24:26,632 --> 00:24:29,343
It's acknowledged
he wants to be an Adidas guy
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00:24:29,343 --> 00:24:31,053
because they have
these flashy sweatsuits
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00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:32,388
and all that sort of stuff.
484
00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:34,807
So you knew
he wasn't waking up
485
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,558
wanting to be a Nike guy."
486
00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:40,729
So we start
finding out about him.
487
00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:43,691
We watched him after the games,
and he had a great smile
488
00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:45,776
and he looked like
a good kid.
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00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:47,236
Competitive like hell.
490
00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:52,199
Coming into this world,
he was very, very naive.
491
00:24:52,199 --> 00:24:54,159
He had his parents
and David Falk
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00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:55,494
negotiating for him.
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00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,246
We ended up going
to Converse,
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00:24:57,246 --> 00:24:59,123
and Converse presented
their image.
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00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:01,291
And Michael would be just
like everybody else.
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00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:04,920
And his dad asked
the famous question,
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00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,297
"Don't you have
any new creative ideas?"
498
00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:09,091
And they looked around
at each other like,
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00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:10,134
"What does that mean?
500
00:25:11,593 --> 00:25:13,303
Like we're gonna treat him
like Bernard King or Dr. J?
501
00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:15,097
Isn't that enough?"
502
00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,975
The answer was no.
It wasn't enough.
503
00:25:17,975 --> 00:25:19,601
We wanted to be different.
504
00:25:19,601 --> 00:25:21,478
He just didn't like division.
505
00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:25,023
They won the Olympics.
506
00:25:25,023 --> 00:25:29,445
And then he was coming out
with his parents and his agent.
507
00:25:29,445 --> 00:25:32,406
And he had proclaimed to,
"Hey, you know what?
508
00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:34,658
Why don't you all just
go out there,
509
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:36,577
and tell me what you saw.
510
00:25:36,577 --> 00:25:39,163
I'm tired, been traveling."
511
00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:40,956
He said
he wasn't gonna sign.
512
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:42,374
He didn't wanna come
to Nike.
513
00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:44,418
He didn't wanna come out
to Portland, Oregon.
514
00:25:44,418 --> 00:25:47,463
And the insistence
of his parents.
515
00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:50,132
"No. You are going
out there."
516
00:25:50,132 --> 00:25:51,675
And they came.
517
00:25:51,675 --> 00:25:52,926
I told him that
518
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:54,803
he wouldn't have
their level of artistic freedom,
519
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,430
at a very
established company,
520
00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:58,849
he'd have at a younger
entrepreneurial company.
521
00:25:58,849 --> 00:26:02,561
In '84, you didn't make
presentations to athletes.
522
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,355
What we did is we showed
his mom and dad, him,
523
00:26:05,355 --> 00:26:07,483
things that they've
never seen before.
524
00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:09,568
They made
a music video
525
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,737
where they put together
a series of highlights
526
00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:13,614
from college
and the Olympics.
527
00:26:14,364 --> 00:26:17,951
Michael didn't crack
a smile the whole time.
528
00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:20,621
He looked like
he was hating it.
529
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:26,001
The shoe money is the fuel
that pumps college basketball.
530
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:27,878
It's because one
great basketball player
531
00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:30,714
can have such an effect
on the bottom line.
532
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:33,175
My name is Bomani Jones
and I work at ESPN.
533
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,385
You look in the 1980's,
534
00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:37,763
the idea seems to make
a lot of sense.
535
00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:39,556
Okay, we got a star,
he's wearing our shoes,
536
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:41,225
we'll be able to move
a lot of shoes.
537
00:26:42,059 --> 00:26:44,061
But it wasn't yet
at that point
538
00:26:44,061 --> 00:26:46,772
where it was such a variable
that pushed everything
539
00:26:47,022 --> 00:26:48,398
as it is right now.
540
00:26:50,901 --> 00:26:52,736
But Larry Bird,
Magic Johnson,
541
00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:54,571
these players,
they were as big of names
542
00:26:54,571 --> 00:26:56,532
in that era as anybody.
543
00:26:56,532 --> 00:27:00,077
The most anybody ever made
in a shoe deal,
544
00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:02,246
might have been $100,000.
545
00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:03,831
Maybe a little less
for Kareem,
546
00:27:03,831 --> 00:27:06,500
even though he was
a six-time NBA MVP.
547
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,836
Didn't matter because
it didn't mean anything.
548
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:10,796
Somebody had to come up
with an idea.
549
00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,965
We worked very hard.
We campaigned.
550
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:14,800
We had to woo the agent.
551
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,928
We had to woo the parents.
Then we had to woo the man.
552
00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:22,724
And the one thing
the guy could really do
553
00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:24,268
was he could jump.
554
00:27:24,268 --> 00:27:25,769
I mean he could
really jump.
555
00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,313
He could jump out of a gym.
556
00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:29,773
He's a flyer.
557
00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:32,985
♪ New York
London, Tokyo ♪
558
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,404
♪ We're flying over the world
Conveying the globe ♪
559
00:27:35,404 --> 00:27:37,155
♪ We got worldwide status
Wherever we go ♪
560
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:39,825
♪ Hot, cold, 57,
Man, you already know ♪
561
00:27:42,411 --> 00:27:44,246
♪ Whatever, man,
You already know ♪
562
00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:47,082
Jordan speeding into ball game.
563
00:27:47,583 --> 00:27:49,293
Jordan, look at that!
564
00:27:49,877 --> 00:27:51,003
Holy cow!
565
00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:54,715
That connected to air.
566
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,426
As a matter of fact,
some of the negotiations
567
00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,219
with David Falk began
568
00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:01,096
in a place called
the museum of flight.
569
00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:02,598
Well as soon
as we walk into the room,
570
00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:05,976
Falk, he's got all kinds
of ideas for us and Jordan.
571
00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:08,520
Nike,
this air thing is pretty big.
572
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,314
And there this
new this new guy, Jordan.
573
00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:12,691
One of his ideas
was that he thinks
574
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,318
we oughta call him Air Jordan.
575
00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:16,695
You know, I'm like, that kinda
has a little ring to it.
576
00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:19,656
Air Jordan by Nike.
577
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:23,327
Rebound Jordan.
He changed hands...
578
00:28:23,327 --> 00:28:25,746
That took Mr. Knight
a while to get used to,
579
00:28:25,746 --> 00:28:28,081
because he didn't like
that much at all.
580
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,961
So I'm flying home
with Rob.
581
00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:35,631
I see the stewardess
582
00:28:35,631 --> 00:28:38,216
give a kid a set of wings.
583
00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:41,678
I start sketching
on a cocktail napkin
584
00:28:41,678 --> 00:28:45,557
this airline's wings
with a basketball in the middle.
585
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:49,978
When we showed him the shoes
and showed him the apparel,
586
00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:52,898
it was all gonna be built
around Air Jordan.
587
00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:56,818
We wanna make you the shoe.
588
00:28:56,818 --> 00:28:59,488
Not, "How'd you like
to endorse a shoe?"
589
00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:01,823
"How'd you like
to have your own shoe?"
590
00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:04,868
I mean,
this never been done before.
591
00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,413
Phil Knight was told...
592
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,374
that it'll be
the death of Nike...
593
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,295
to have a black man
as the face of your company,
594
00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:16,380
that white America...
595
00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:20,050
would not come to terms...
596
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:24,721
or purchase...
Nike products.
597
00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,975
Like, it goes back to like
back when they used to say,
598
00:29:27,975 --> 00:29:29,601
"Well, we can't sell--
599
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:30,811
we can't sell records
600
00:29:30,811 --> 00:29:32,813
with putting a black face
on the cover."
601
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,564
I mean, what kind of
shit is that?
602
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,651
You know 30 years
ago people were a lot
603
00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:40,570
more narrow-minded
and they thought
604
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:44,741
that there was only an appetite
for a certain perspective.
605
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:47,244
They didn't know
what they were getting into.
606
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:49,746
And then they executed shit
and took chances,
607
00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:51,748
and were like,
"Fuck it, let's go for it."
608
00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,126
He didn't know it then
what that meant.
609
00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:57,379
He hasn't bounced a ball
in the NBA yet.
610
00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:00,799
The definition of visionary,
611
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,009
people see something,
612
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,468
but other people
can't see it yet.
613
00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:08,724
You really couldn't put it--
You know, no one--
614
00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:10,183
Oh, yeah.
This is what we gonna do.
615
00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:11,935
We gonna build this up.
We gonna make this.
616
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,228
Yeah, okay, great.
617
00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:15,647
You know, it's--
it's kind of like Michelangelo.
618
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,442
You know, he really
did not want to do
619
00:30:18,442 --> 00:30:19,818
the Sistine Chapel.
620
00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,696
And he considered himself
this sculptor.
621
00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:25,574
And Pope asked him
about painting the chapel,
622
00:30:25,574 --> 00:30:28,952
and he said, "No.
That's just not who I am."
623
00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,620
I think there's
an inherent pressure
624
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:31,872
on that too, by the way.
625
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,082
"Hey, my shoes are gonna be
named after me?"
626
00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:37,919
And low and behold,
they convinced Michelangelo
627
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,129
to paint the chapel.
628
00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:42,049
And he looked at his mom
and said, "You know,
629
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:44,217
I still think maybe
I should go to Adidas."
630
00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:45,677
And she says "No,
you're gonna go to Nike.
631
00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:47,929
We're gonna make a shoe
named after you."
632
00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:50,265
So often times
633
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:53,226
when the universe
is ready to create,
634
00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:56,146
the party may
or may not be willing...
635
00:30:57,355 --> 00:30:58,940
but they come together.
636
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:03,987
And he looked at his mom
and said, "Where do I sign?"
637
00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:09,868
♪ Clap your hands ♪
638
00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:17,751
The signing of Michael
Jordan is possibly
639
00:31:17,751 --> 00:31:20,253
the biggest and
most important event
640
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:21,546
in Nike's history.
641
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:23,673
My favorite
criticism, uh,
642
00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:25,133
from the signing
of Michael Jordan,
643
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:27,344
was Fortune Magazines
that, uh,
644
00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:30,138
there's no greater sign
that Nike has lost his way
645
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,224
than to pay $250,000
646
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:33,934
for an untried
basketball player.
647
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:37,229
African-American
athletes weren't really
648
00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:38,897
getting endorsement deals
to the extent
649
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,273
that they are today.
650
00:31:40,273 --> 00:31:43,235
It sounds
preposterous to think.
651
00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:47,656
To see somebody
who you can identify with,
652
00:31:47,656 --> 00:31:51,118
that looks like you,
and also something that...
653
00:31:51,118 --> 00:31:53,537
is going against the grain,
that's not the norm.
654
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:55,288
And that could be
very inspiring.
655
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,666
He had just
come out of college.
656
00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:59,626
Nike invested
a lot in him.
657
00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:01,545
He hadn't proven himself.
658
00:32:02,504 --> 00:32:04,673
I met Michael right
after the draft personally.
659
00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:07,592
In them days, we didn't have
great interviews.
660
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,553
We didn't have
shooting drills before.
661
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:12,848
You didn't know how strong
he was until we got him.
662
00:32:12,848 --> 00:32:16,309
There was just
this complete fire drill
663
00:32:16,309 --> 00:32:18,228
to get a shoe put together
for him really quickly.
664
00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,647
Because we actually
didn't have the shoe ready.
665
00:32:21,148 --> 00:32:23,525
If you're smart
and clever and efficient,
666
00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:25,694
you can use existing pieces
in a new way.
667
00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:27,028
And Peter Moore
was very efficient.
668
00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:29,990
In the case
of the Air Jordan I,
669
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:33,410
was to somehow infuse it
with Michael Jordan's
670
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:34,828
personality and character.
671
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,039
It's like a Ferrari,
but you still need
672
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,124
a great driver.
673
00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,836
And we had a very good driver.
674
00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:46,131
We wanted something
distinctive.
675
00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:47,716
Or really an exclamation.
676
00:32:47,716 --> 00:32:49,551
I was always
fascinated with the idea
677
00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:50,969
that you're running on air.
678
00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,305
The idea that you could
sky, flying.
679
00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:57,017
Uh, and Michael Jordan
was a flyer.
680
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:59,978
All of those things
together created
681
00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:02,480
a new and special spirit.
682
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:09,988
You have to remember, in '84,
the era of the design
683
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,364
hadn't happened yet.
684
00:33:11,781 --> 00:33:13,491
Nike had a couple
of pattern makers.
685
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:16,953
That was as close
to designers as-- as it got.
686
00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:19,164
Today,
it's just different.
687
00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:23,084
When we signed Michael,
688
00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:24,878
he was very unfamiliar
with Nike shoe.
689
00:33:24,878 --> 00:33:26,296
Didn't like Nike shoes,
690
00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:29,758
because he said
that they were too high,
691
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:32,260
and he needed to feel
692
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:33,470
closer to the floor.
693
00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:37,641
He had big concerns
about the air
694
00:33:37,641 --> 00:33:40,977
because he felt he might get
too high off the ground.
695
00:33:40,977 --> 00:33:42,187
Get too high
off the ground,
696
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:43,396
you're gonna sprain an ankle.
697
00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,106
And back then,
shoes were pretty simple.
698
00:33:45,398 --> 00:33:48,360
They were basically leather
with a rubber cup sole.
699
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,112
Sometimes they would have
some foam exposed,
700
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:53,990
but there wasn't
much technology
701
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:55,867
going on in the shoe.
702
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,704
And then it was Peter Moore
who lowered the air-bag
703
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,289
and he could feel that.
704
00:34:01,623 --> 00:34:03,625
Nobody was worried
about style
705
00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:05,335
and what it looked like.
706
00:34:05,335 --> 00:34:07,337
They were worried
about how it worked.
707
00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:11,007
So the idea of combining
functionality and practicality
708
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,218
and the aesthetic of it all.
709
00:34:13,218 --> 00:34:14,302
In the mid-80s,
710
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,638
all those things
were coming together.
711
00:34:17,138 --> 00:34:19,224
I think sneakers
are the epitome
712
00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:22,185
of what perfect design
can wind up being.
713
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:24,354
Essentially, anyone
can be wearing it
714
00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,648
but your style
ultimately determines
715
00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:28,400
how it really plays out.
716
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,277
And one of the things
that I've learned the most
717
00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:32,570
about being a designer
is that...
718
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,698
I don't wanna live
within those bounds,
719
00:34:34,698 --> 00:34:36,783
I wanna be able
to push out those walls
720
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,494
because when I live
within the rules
721
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:40,996
of the industry,
722
00:34:40,996 --> 00:34:42,831
we all kinda go the same path.
723
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:45,500
When it came
to the shoe,
724
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:49,004
I had this idea
to break the color barrier.
725
00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:51,715
I wanted to give these kids
something that they could
726
00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,216
sort of show their stuff with.
727
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:56,052
So I looked around with
what was
728
00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:57,804
going on in the industry,
729
00:34:57,804 --> 00:34:59,639
what was going on
with kids.
730
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,309
There was no color,
no excitement,
731
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:04,227
no anything in these shoes.
732
00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:06,438
And yet you went
to the high school camps
733
00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,356
and things like that,
these kids are trying
734
00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:11,943
to do 360 slam dunks. They're--
you know, they got color, man.
735
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:13,653
♪ You want it, you got it
Come get it ♪
736
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:14,779
♪ Get with it, it's yours ♪
737
00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:17,615
♪ Call me weak, I just peak
And get stronger ♪
738
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:18,533
♪ What I'm doing
Is free-styling ♪
739
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:19,326
♪ Meanwhile I'm profiling ♪
740
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,162
♪ Getting set and getting paid
Give me some room ♪
741
00:35:22,162 --> 00:35:23,538
♪ I'mma start
flexing, flexing ♪
742
00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:25,582
You know, the question
becomes, "Can he wear this?
743
00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:27,125
You know,
can he pull this off?"
744
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,669
Because it's-- I mean,
he's gonna take some shit
745
00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:31,421
from other players
746
00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:33,548
when he walks out there
like this.
747
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,759
And then the sneaker
comes out...
748
00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:38,511
that is bright and bold.
749
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,847
That black and red,
750
00:35:41,348 --> 00:35:43,975
and looks like nothing
you've ever seen before.
751
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,311
It's got like presence to it.
752
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:47,979
The shape of it, the look of it,
753
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,398
I just was like, "This
is nothing I've ever seen."
754
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:52,525
It was so different
that you had to like it.
755
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:53,985
It was game-changing.
756
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,697
♪ I predicted it just right ♪
757
00:35:57,697 --> 00:35:59,991
♪ You know the shit is tight
Every time I'm on the mic ♪
758
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,827
♪ You see me on the stage look
Around the crowed is hyped ♪
759
00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,288
♪ This shit is regular, man
This what my life's like ♪
760
00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:07,665
I do remember seeing
Michael's shoes come out.
761
00:36:07,665 --> 00:36:10,794
And, uh, at first
I think everybody thought
762
00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:12,504
it was, uh,
a little bit strange.
763
00:36:13,922 --> 00:36:16,049
Mike Jordan, not Jackson,
764
00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:17,342
he doesn't wear
one white glove.
765
00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,511
He wears strange-looking
sneakers.
766
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:22,180
I saw it and I went,
"Interesting."
767
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,932
Color was a big
piece of it.
768
00:36:23,932 --> 00:36:25,392
It was a little bit
of irreverence
769
00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:27,102
and something
that no one else was doing.
770
00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,145
This culture,
771
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:31,606
we're really kind of obsessed
with nostalgia.
772
00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:33,608
It's like it was way
before its time.
773
00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:36,027
It's gonna catch
somebody's eyes.
774
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,737
it's gonna give you an opinion,
775
00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:39,406
it's gonna have
an impact on you
776
00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:41,449
because it's not
what you're used to seeing.
777
00:36:44,953 --> 00:36:46,955
Michael Jordan did not
wanna wear these colors.
778
00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:49,958
He wanted to wear powder blue,
North Carolina colors.
779
00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:53,670
And I said, "No, you
play for the Chicago Bulls.
780
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,382
That's got to be between you
and Mr. Reinsdorf, you know.
781
00:36:57,382 --> 00:37:00,009
I can't change the colors
of the basketball team."
782
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:03,680
It was actually
this really clever marriage
783
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,349
of shoe and athlete,
784
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:08,935
and how there was
a story now to tell.
785
00:37:10,186 --> 00:37:11,646
It just felt like the--
786
00:37:11,646 --> 00:37:13,940
he was doing what he was doing
because of the shoe.
787
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:18,027
Nobody has ever taken
a team player
788
00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:19,863
and turned them into...
789
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:21,865
a personality
790
00:37:21,865 --> 00:37:23,491
that you could market around.
791
00:37:24,284 --> 00:37:28,538
So we were gonna break
some rules
792
00:37:28,538 --> 00:37:29,747
to get him there.
793
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,752
In this conversation
with Michael,
794
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:38,214
I started to realize that not
only am I talking to the best
795
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:40,008
young basketball player,
796
00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:41,926
I'm also talking to somebody
who actually had
797
00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:45,430
a really good eye,
a really good fashion sense.
798
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:47,891
It was the first time
you saw a person,
799
00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:49,601
on a court,
look just as good off the court.
800
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:51,352
And kids in the street
gonna look like that person.
801
00:37:51,352 --> 00:37:54,063
I couldn't dress like Dr. J.
Dr. J was in a suit.
802
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:57,150
I couldn't dress like some
of the heroes from the 70s.
803
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,776
It was totally different.
804
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:01,738
You know, no one else had worn
colored shoes before,
805
00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:03,948
and I felt like
I wanted to be different.
806
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:06,367
♪ One, two, get down ♪
807
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,536
I think
it only enhanced my game.
808
00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:10,163
You know my game
at that time was...
809
00:38:10,163 --> 00:38:11,748
very unique within itself.
810
00:38:11,748 --> 00:38:14,042
Played in the air.
Unafraid.
811
00:38:14,042 --> 00:38:16,044
Looked in the face
of adversity
812
00:38:16,044 --> 00:38:17,462
to try to overcome.
813
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,006
It just felt authentic
to the style of play,
814
00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:21,716
to the way the sport
had been played
815
00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:23,343
up to that point,
and to a guy
816
00:38:23,343 --> 00:38:24,969
that sort of said,
"Oh, what about this?"
817
00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:27,722
But really it's like,
that's the beginning
818
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:29,015
of trendsetters.
819
00:38:29,015 --> 00:38:31,601
I think a lot of people
around the NBA
820
00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:33,394
are talking about
Michael Jordan.
821
00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:35,522
Michael got to realize
that he's not seven foot,
822
00:38:35,522 --> 00:38:38,191
so he's not gonna
carry a team in the NBA.
823
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:39,817
In the NBA,
there's really not
824
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,277
any such thing
as a one-man team.
825
00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:43,321
And I don't think that
you can come in expecting
826
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,573
one guy to turn
the whole thing around.
827
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:47,367
♪ Paid the cost
to be the boss ♪
828
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:49,452
Turns out
he was exactly the guy
829
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:50,870
who could pull it off.
830
00:38:52,622 --> 00:38:56,834
Unbelievable.
Larry Bird at the buzzer.
831
00:38:56,834 --> 00:38:58,670
I can't imagine
what it must have been like
832
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:00,463
if you were an established
NBA player
833
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,715
and then this dude
walks in here,
834
00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:04,133
and he's taking
on everybody.
835
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:06,511
Larry Bird was the darling
of the league, right?
836
00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,555
Everyone loves Magic.
837
00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:10,223
And then suddenly
the shoes come out.
838
00:39:10,223 --> 00:39:12,642
Right? Like, you've been
a top basketball player.
839
00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,686
Every room you walk into,
you are the man.
840
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:17,480
Now, when this dude walks in,
he's the man.
841
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,983
And he just showed up here.
842
00:39:19,983 --> 00:39:22,569
I can't imagine how
infuriating that has to be
843
00:39:22,569 --> 00:39:24,737
if you're just another guy
in the NBA.
844
00:39:26,072 --> 00:39:28,575
There wasn't a player
at that time
845
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:31,995
who had really
thumbed their nose
846
00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:33,413
to the league before.
847
00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:35,873
And surely not a black man.
848
00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:39,335
And then you understand
that everybody wanted
849
00:39:39,335 --> 00:39:40,670
to be in these shoes.
850
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,547
It doesn't matter
what color you are.
851
00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:44,424
I wanna be a part of that.
852
00:39:44,424 --> 00:39:47,135
Well, it just opened up
a whole new horizon for,
853
00:39:47,135 --> 00:39:50,471
um, players to be able
to express their individuality.
854
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:52,181
I think there was this...
855
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:53,891
desire...
856
00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:55,143
on the part of us, and Michael,
857
00:39:55,143 --> 00:39:56,644
to be different,
to be leaders,
858
00:39:56,644 --> 00:39:58,438
to do things differently,
which...
859
00:39:58,438 --> 00:40:01,899
almost always requires
some breaking of rules.
860
00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,193
What Nike
and Michael Jordan
861
00:40:04,193 --> 00:40:06,738
created together
was a game changer.
862
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,324
And I think the most
creative people
863
00:40:09,324 --> 00:40:10,241
in any facet
864
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:13,161
are the ones that are those
rebels that do that.
865
00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:14,954
They don't wanna live
by the rules.
866
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:16,706
They wanna understand
the rules
867
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,625
but they don't
wanna live by them.
868
00:40:26,215 --> 00:40:28,176
Rod Thorn
who was my general manager
869
00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:29,802
came down and said
he got a phone call
870
00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:31,054
from the league."
871
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:35,350
Shoes were not uniform
872
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:38,019
to what's required
with the NBA.
873
00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:42,899
Oh, my goodness,
well we screwed up now.
874
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,571
We have the shoe,
and David Stern throws
875
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,531
a wrench in the thing
by saying,
876
00:40:50,531 --> 00:40:52,241
"You can't wear that shoe."
877
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:06,881
The turning point was
when the NBA banned...
878
00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:08,883
his shoes.
879
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:10,134
They were worried.
880
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:11,886
You know, he's a rookie
in the league
881
00:41:11,886 --> 00:41:14,639
and he's now done
something against his contract.
882
00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,016
Michael didn't wanna be
a distraction.
883
00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:19,143
Michael is respectful,
884
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,062
and his parents raised him
to be that way.
885
00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:23,314
Why the hell
would you ban a shoe
886
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,024
that matches a uniform?
887
00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:26,693
Or you banned it
because it looks cooler
888
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:28,486
than every other shoe
on the court?
889
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:29,696
Are the other guys jealous?
890
00:41:29,696 --> 00:41:31,280
Are the guys on the
other teams jealous?
891
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,032
Is it because it says his name?
892
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,077
Really didn't understand
the ramifications
893
00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:37,870
of what was really happening.
894
00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:40,748
I didn't know the guidelines.
I didn't know the rules.
895
00:41:40,748 --> 00:41:43,793
Um, I thought,
"Hey, just-- you know,
896
00:41:43,793 --> 00:41:45,461
you sign a shoe contract,
897
00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:47,422
you design yourself a shoe,
898
00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,173
you go out and you play
in the shoe.
899
00:41:49,966 --> 00:41:52,510
We didn't start
with a lot of rules.
900
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:55,930
If we came upon something
that didn't exist,
901
00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:57,640
we would say,
"You can't do that."
902
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,058
Then the next year,
we would put it
903
00:41:59,058 --> 00:42:00,601
in the operations manuals.
904
00:42:00,935 --> 00:42:02,645
Basically, we had the--
905
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,814
some fights
with David Stern early on.
906
00:42:04,814 --> 00:42:08,818
We used to have some issues
with all apparel companies.
907
00:42:09,152 --> 00:42:12,488
Because as we were trying
to construct the league,
908
00:42:12,822 --> 00:42:15,074
we became
quite protective of it.
909
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:16,909
The NBA,
I thought was encroaching
910
00:42:16,909 --> 00:42:18,828
on our contractual rights,
and they thought
911
00:42:18,828 --> 00:42:20,913
we were taking over their
912
00:42:20,913 --> 00:42:22,540
basketball arena,
I guess.
913
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:25,543
We had a lot of problems.
There were countless sponsors
914
00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:28,129
who would say to us,
"Well, we really don't think,
915
00:42:28,629 --> 00:42:31,507
uh, the NBA can appeal to, uh--
to our market."
916
00:42:31,507 --> 00:42:33,843
And we were constantly fighting
against those kinds of things
917
00:42:33,843 --> 00:42:36,929
in trying to upgrade the--
and the public image
918
00:42:36,929 --> 00:42:38,890
of both the game
and the players.
919
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:41,642
There was just a tremendous
amount of attention
920
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:45,313
to this-- this new young player
and this shoe
921
00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:46,981
and of course Nike.
922
00:42:46,981 --> 00:42:49,776
And I think
it scared the NBA.
923
00:42:49,776 --> 00:42:50,651
I should be careful here.
924
00:42:51,903 --> 00:42:52,612
I have to kind of
edit myself a little bit.
925
00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:56,073
Michael Jordan
was just out of his teens
926
00:42:56,073 --> 00:42:57,825
when he signed
this deal with Nike.
927
00:42:58,326 --> 00:43:00,995
And the whole world
changed for him.
928
00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,705
I was told
that we had a problem
929
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,374
because the shoe was--
had too much black in it.
930
00:43:05,374 --> 00:43:07,376
Uh, if we weren't careful,
we'd end up with, uh,
931
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,629
five players on the court
for a team running around
932
00:43:09,629 --> 00:43:11,047
in five different color shoes
933
00:43:11,047 --> 00:43:13,007
and we didn't think
that reflected well
934
00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:14,509
on the team notion.
935
00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:18,471
Uh, white or black, that's it,
936
00:43:18,471 --> 00:43:21,557
or with accents of your uniform.
937
00:43:21,557 --> 00:43:24,018
Outside of that,
no, not gonna happen.
938
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,311
We're not gonna have that here.
939
00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,981
The ban frankly
was just David Stern
940
00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:31,275
being David Stern.
941
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,361
Yes. There was a rule
that the shoes
942
00:43:33,361 --> 00:43:35,863
had to match the uniform, but...
943
00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:38,115
...we-- we did that.
944
00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:40,076
I mean, it--
it was the Bulls' colors.
945
00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:42,328
It wasn't like you could do
them in Carolina blue.
946
00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:43,788
At the end of the day,
947
00:43:43,788 --> 00:43:45,164
the Bulls' color
was red and black.
948
00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:48,084
I wanna make sure
that the shoe
949
00:43:48,084 --> 00:43:50,878
is aesthetically
pleasing to the eye.
950
00:43:50,878 --> 00:43:52,088
Nike was...
951
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,507
really confused
about it at the time,
952
00:43:54,507 --> 00:43:55,800
but they said, "Well, okay.
953
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,385
Well, we'd think about--
we'll try to find
954
00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:59,303
some-- some other ways
but in the meantime
955
00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:00,555
just keep wearing 'em."
956
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:04,767
I don't think anybody here
at that time had any idea
957
00:44:04,767 --> 00:44:06,394
that it was breaking
any kind of rules
958
00:44:06,394 --> 00:44:08,062
as far as design code, and--
959
00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:09,397
And, frankly,
I don't think it did.
960
00:44:09,689 --> 00:44:12,149
Rob's reaction was,
"Well, we're screwed.
961
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:13,234
We're done."
962
00:44:13,234 --> 00:44:16,404
Rob had ordered
about 50,000 pairs
963
00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:17,530
of these shoes.
964
00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:20,324
They were done,
being delivered.
965
00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:23,119
You know, we figured
we're gonna eat them.
966
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,746
Rob goes back to New York
to meet with Stern.
967
00:44:25,746 --> 00:44:27,540
I don't even remember
what the motivation
968
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:29,166
might have been for the rule.
969
00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:32,211
It was not a high priority
at the time.
970
00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:33,713
Stern's...
971
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:37,049
not sympathetic.
972
00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:39,093
You know, the decision was
a rule's, a rule.
973
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:41,888
We have to tell the Bulls
and, I guess, Nike.
974
00:44:41,888 --> 00:44:43,806
Michael wouldn't be allowed
to wear the shoe.
975
00:44:43,806 --> 00:44:46,142
On the way out the door,
Stern says,
976
00:44:46,142 --> 00:44:49,604
"But, Rob, my son thinks
I'm a jerk also,
977
00:44:49,604 --> 00:44:51,480
but can you send me a pair
978
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,524
of those shoes for my son?"
979
00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:55,776
You're not gonna get David Stern
on camera to say...
980
00:44:57,403 --> 00:44:59,447
...to fess up on that though.
981
00:44:59,447 --> 00:45:00,740
He ain't doing that.
982
00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:02,408
My actions
weren't the source
983
00:45:02,408 --> 00:45:04,619
of great accolades
in my home.
984
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,705
When I wore 'em
the second time,
985
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:09,123
the league came back saying,
986
00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:12,585
"Well, wear them again,
you're gonna get fined $5000."
987
00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:15,004
Well, now , obviously,
I-- I didn't have $5000
988
00:45:15,004 --> 00:45:17,048
to be giving to anybody
at that stage in my career.
989
00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:21,093
Yeah, for them it was like...
990
00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:24,221
"Oh, yeah, okay.
We might can work with that.
991
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:26,057
Okay, let's just pay the fine."
992
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:31,270
You have to respect
how powerful that was
993
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:33,022
to culture and to the world.
994
00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:37,318
It wasn't like
an alternative.
995
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:39,695
And it was just money.
996
00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:42,531
I mean, they didn't say,
"You can't-- you can't play."
997
00:45:47,787 --> 00:45:49,497
Stern was old school,
998
00:45:49,497 --> 00:45:51,874
he just didn't like
the idea that...
999
00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:53,876
this guy was gonna stick out.
1000
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:56,128
So, he understood
what we were doing.
1001
00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:58,839
You know, he's gonna
protect his league.
1002
00:46:00,508 --> 00:46:02,426
It wasn't that the league
was saying,
1003
00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:04,095
"You can't wear
this special tread,
1004
00:46:04,095 --> 00:46:05,888
or it's gonna give you
a competitive advantage."
1005
00:46:06,389 --> 00:46:07,640
It was fashion,
1006
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,934
and in fact,
it didn't affect performance
1007
00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,143
in any way.
1008
00:46:11,143 --> 00:46:13,312
It was about
a red pair of shoes.
1009
00:46:13,312 --> 00:46:15,606
And here, Michael,
was living within these...
1010
00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:17,608
this overly restrictive
league that was saying,
1011
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:19,694
"You can't even wear
red basketball shoes
1012
00:46:19,694 --> 00:46:20,611
on the court."
1013
00:46:21,696 --> 00:46:22,780
One of two things
could've happen.
1014
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,532
Nike could have been like,
"Oh, yes.
1015
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:26,033
Yes, Mr. Stern.
1016
00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:27,243
We're so sorry.
1017
00:46:27,243 --> 00:46:29,245
We'll get these to him
in white tomorrow
1018
00:46:29,245 --> 00:46:30,913
and everything will be fine."
1019
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:34,291
And they were like...
1020
00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:35,626
"No."
1021
00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:37,878
You know,
because Nike was gonna pay
1022
00:46:37,878 --> 00:46:41,132
for the 82 games
of playing with this shoe.
1023
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:43,259
And the league said,
"Well, we gotta stop that."
1024
00:46:45,678 --> 00:46:47,221
Let's not forget, like,
1025
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:49,765
if Michael Jordan's making
X amount of money.
1026
00:46:50,683 --> 00:46:52,768
The league
and the powers that be
1027
00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:55,146
are making oo-de-lallys more,
1028
00:46:55,521 --> 00:46:58,524
and essentially feel like,
"We can tell these motherfuckers
1029
00:46:58,524 --> 00:46:59,692
what to do.
1030
00:46:59,692 --> 00:47:01,944
When to jump, when to shoot,
1031
00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:04,739
when to sit down,
when to talk, all of it,
1032
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:06,615
because at the end of the day...
1033
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:08,075
they got the keys.
1034
00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:11,871
Those acts are like trying
to stomp out
1035
00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:14,290
people being individuals,
1036
00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:17,293
people expressing themselves.
1037
00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:20,212
It wasn't like athletes
were able to express
1038
00:47:20,212 --> 00:47:22,798
who they were
by their shoes.
1039
00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:24,633
Like, they were really cool
1040
00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:27,094
and they had, like,
decent shoes.
1041
00:47:27,428 --> 00:47:29,972
No one had ever had a shoe
that was a statement like,
1042
00:47:29,972 --> 00:47:31,307
"This is me."
1043
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,477
What it did is it announced
a new era, it was a new guard.
1044
00:47:34,477 --> 00:47:36,270
There was somebody
that didn't care about the rules
1045
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:37,438
because the rules were outdated.
1046
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,483
Someone who doesn't want
their parents,
1047
00:47:40,483 --> 00:47:41,776
their schools,
1048
00:47:42,068 --> 00:47:45,196
their job to shut them down
from their dream.
1049
00:47:45,196 --> 00:47:46,614
It kind of exploded
1050
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:49,283
because it wasn't just
for us anymore.
1051
00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:50,409
It was like for the world.
1052
00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:53,245
It's like we wanted the world--
we wanted to be heard,
1053
00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:54,622
and that was something
that we felt like could really
1054
00:47:54,622 --> 00:47:57,249
sort of speak to the world,
and say, "We're here."
1055
00:47:57,249 --> 00:47:59,794
Because every other part of--
at least American culture,
1056
00:47:59,794 --> 00:48:02,463
was sort of trying
to silence a people.
1057
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:05,841
Understanding everybody's
point of view, the differences,
1058
00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:07,343
accept that...
1059
00:48:08,594 --> 00:48:10,054
and be aware of that,
1060
00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:12,098
and be aware
of where we are today.
1061
00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:14,350
It's not too far off.
1062
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,562
It's a problem
when you're that good.
1063
00:48:18,562 --> 00:48:19,939
There's really
not any such thing
1064
00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:21,690
-as a one-man team.
-You're that special.
1065
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:23,901
I don't think anybody
had any idea
1066
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:25,611
that it was breaking
any kind of rules.
1067
00:48:25,611 --> 00:48:28,823
-You're that defined.
-We've got 50,000 of them
1068
00:48:28,823 --> 00:48:30,533
-on the water.
-Nike was really
1069
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:32,284
-pissed off about it.
-And you're that different.
1070
00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:34,829
-You're that other.
-They held their breath
1071
00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:36,539
at Nike.
What did we do?
1072
00:48:36,539 --> 00:48:38,791
-Why the shoe get banned?
-How you gonna ban
1073
00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:41,252
-greatness?
-You just have to understand
1074
00:48:41,252 --> 00:48:43,170
-the-- the context.
-You know,
1075
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:45,131
he violated the rules.
He wore the shoes.
1076
00:48:45,131 --> 00:48:46,757
Michael Jordan was so powerful.
1077
00:48:46,757 --> 00:48:48,467
There'd be some
appropriate penalty
1078
00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:50,928
to make sure that the rule
wasn't violated.
1079
00:48:51,887 --> 00:48:54,181
There was concern
that it was too much.
1080
00:48:54,807 --> 00:48:56,267
You just can't be regular.
1081
00:49:00,187 --> 00:49:02,314
So then,
you stand at the crossroads...
1082
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:05,568
You know what, this thing
1083
00:49:05,568 --> 00:49:06,777
right here might be something.
1084
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,781
Might be something
just a little special.
1085
00:49:17,746 --> 00:49:19,874
But this was one
of those holy shit moments.
1086
00:49:19,874 --> 00:49:21,667
Something different
is happening here,
1087
00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:22,877
and I wanna be a part of it.
1088
00:49:23,502 --> 00:49:25,004
There's all these, like...
1089
00:49:26,088 --> 00:49:28,716
weird things
that all layered up perfectly
1090
00:49:28,716 --> 00:49:30,384
for where the world was at
1091
00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:35,431
in some, like, NBD,
never been done before,
1092
00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:38,100
to change the direction
1093
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,895
of an entire society.
1094
00:49:42,521 --> 00:49:44,231
I was just reading
a little article
1095
00:49:44,231 --> 00:49:47,985
about the NBA banning, uh,
Jordan's shoes.
1096
00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,111
It just clicked for me.
1097
00:49:50,487 --> 00:49:51,697
Well, it was Rob Strasser
that got the letter,
1098
00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:53,157
and when I finished the letter,
1099
00:49:53,157 --> 00:49:54,158
I said, "Yes."
1100
00:49:54,158 --> 00:49:55,492
I wrote this simple spot,
1101
00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:57,661
and so I took that
into my creative director.
1102
00:49:58,162 --> 00:49:59,830
And he said,
"Hey, I love it."
1103
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:01,332
But they don't have
any more money,
1104
00:50:01,332 --> 00:50:03,292
their whole budget's
been spent.
1105
00:50:03,292 --> 00:50:05,085
So, he told me to fly up
to Beaverton
1106
00:50:05,085 --> 00:50:07,379
and see if you can sell it
to them.
1107
00:50:07,379 --> 00:50:09,840
I'd never directed a commercial
on my own before.
1108
00:50:10,174 --> 00:50:12,760
I said,
"Look, give me thirty grand,
1109
00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:14,428
and I'll make it happen."
1110
00:50:23,479 --> 00:50:25,272
On September 15th,
1111
00:50:25,272 --> 00:50:28,984
Nike created a revolutionary
new basketball shoe.
1112
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,070
On October 18th,
1113
00:50:31,070 --> 00:50:33,572
the NBA threw them
out of the game.
1114
00:50:35,616 --> 00:50:38,202
Fortunately,
the NBA can't stop you
1115
00:50:38,202 --> 00:50:39,578
from wearing them.
1116
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,581
Air Jordans from Nike.
1117
00:50:43,499 --> 00:50:45,626
The NBA can ban it,
1118
00:50:45,626 --> 00:50:48,045
but they can't stop you
from getting it.
1119
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:50,464
Phew.
1120
00:50:50,965 --> 00:50:52,341
Brilliant.
1121
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:58,514
The only thing
that you get
1122
00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:01,767
from trying to silence something
is that
1123
00:51:01,767 --> 00:51:04,520
you make it even more colossal,
1124
00:51:04,979 --> 00:51:06,397
and more impactful.
1125
00:51:07,439 --> 00:51:09,233
When you're 14,
13 years old,
1126
00:51:09,984 --> 00:51:10,859
those...
1127
00:51:11,986 --> 00:51:13,529
I want those.
1128
00:51:15,155 --> 00:51:16,615
It's-- It's liberating.
1129
00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:18,158
The league says,
1130
00:51:18,158 --> 00:51:20,494
I can't wear this,
they like, fuck them.
1131
00:51:20,494 --> 00:51:21,787
I'm getting a pair."
1132
00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:23,372
I'm rolling with Mike.
1133
00:51:23,372 --> 00:51:25,165
It was a statement
anti-establishment.
1134
00:51:25,874 --> 00:51:27,918
We don't need to play
by the rules.
1135
00:51:27,918 --> 00:51:29,336
We're bigger than the rules.
1136
00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:32,047
A spirit of rebellion,
a spirit of youth,
1137
00:51:32,047 --> 00:51:33,590
a spirit of individuality.
1138
00:51:33,882 --> 00:51:37,636
You can't knock me down,
you can't make me feel inferior,
1139
00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:40,597
and, like, not only
am I dressed like you,
1140
00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:43,017
but I'm-- I'm also wearing
cooler sneakers than you.
1141
00:51:43,017 --> 00:51:44,393
That's what I like, man.
1142
00:51:44,393 --> 00:51:46,478
The kids that say, "Fuck it,
I'm gonna do it my way."
1143
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,105
I'm not gonna follow
all the peers
1144
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:50,357
and follow all of the--
the bullshit.
1145
00:51:50,357 --> 00:51:52,735
Being unique
to who you are.
1146
00:51:52,985 --> 00:51:54,361
Make your own mark on the world.
1147
00:51:54,361 --> 00:51:55,904
You don't wanna be
just like them.
1148
00:51:55,904 --> 00:51:57,031
They were banned.
1149
00:51:57,656 --> 00:52:00,409
Outlawed, you know,
counter culture.
1150
00:52:03,412 --> 00:52:05,539
Stand up against the man,
you know.
1151
00:52:06,582 --> 00:52:08,125
That's the way
it was interpreted.
1152
00:52:08,625 --> 00:52:11,337
Oh, left hand.
Hey, K.O. by love.
1153
00:52:11,337 --> 00:52:14,089
I think the rebel part of it
is about change.
1154
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,884
We're gonna power
our way into culture.
1155
00:52:17,343 --> 00:52:19,178
We're gonna yell
as loud as we can,
1156
00:52:19,178 --> 00:52:21,055
and hold our Johnsons.
1157
00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:23,098
To be a part of that,
1158
00:52:23,098 --> 00:52:24,725
just by having
the pair of shoes.
1159
00:52:24,725 --> 00:52:26,101
Oh shit, like,
1160
00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:28,103
The AJ 1 is it.
1161
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:29,271
This is the sneaker.
1162
00:52:30,689 --> 00:52:31,774
Then it just became this thing,
it was like The Grail.
1163
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:34,151
"Holy shit, man,
you got-- oh, my God."
1164
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:36,153
You know, it just--
it became lore.
1165
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,988
It became that thing
that you had to have.
1166
00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:40,699
You know, as a young kid
who didn't want what was hot?
1167
00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:42,826
The 50,000 pairs
were gone like that.
1168
00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:45,579
Every night,
I'm gonna lace up these shoes,
1169
00:52:45,579 --> 00:52:47,039
and I'm gonna do things...
1170
00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:51,668
that are so beautifully
fucked up
1171
00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,796
in them, artistry,
1172
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:58,509
you really can't tell me shit.
1173
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:00,260
Before you know it...
1174
00:53:00,886 --> 00:53:02,554
what's David Stern gonna do
1175
00:53:02,554 --> 00:53:05,349
when Michael Jordan
has the whole planet
1176
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:06,600
behind him.
1177
00:53:07,059 --> 00:53:08,394
I thought it was a...
1178
00:53:08,852 --> 00:53:11,772
a genius marketing campaign,
1179
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:14,566
but they were never banned.
1180
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:18,862
Once anything gets banned
1181
00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:20,614
it becomes the coolest thing
in the world, right?
1182
00:53:20,614 --> 00:53:21,865
It doesn't matter what it is.
1183
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:23,075
Once somebody says,
1184
00:53:23,075 --> 00:53:24,410
"You're not supposed
to have it."
1185
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:26,370
Then all of a sudden,
everybody has to have it.
1186
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:28,497
And then, it becomes easier
for an urban legend
1187
00:53:28,497 --> 00:53:29,373
to start around.
1188
00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:32,251
They had
so much of a frightening dare,
1189
00:53:32,251 --> 00:53:35,754
and ego and exuberance
that the NBA had to put
1190
00:53:35,754 --> 00:53:38,382
bans on the players expressions.
1191
00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:40,926
I was under the impression that
he wore them every game,
1192
00:53:40,926 --> 00:53:42,511
they were banned
because of the colors.
1193
00:53:42,511 --> 00:53:44,555
They were banned because there
wasn't enough white in them.
1194
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,558
The league sent a letter
to Nike, saying that
1195
00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:49,476
they were getting fined
because it wasn't approved.
1196
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:51,395
And he's continued
to wear them every game
1197
00:53:51,395 --> 00:53:53,272
and Nike was fined $5000.
1198
00:53:53,272 --> 00:53:56,567
And we were more than willing
to pay the fines.
1199
00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:59,153
I knew more about the fine,
like, later in life.
1200
00:53:59,153 --> 00:54:01,238
Like, that became part
of, like, the legend.
1201
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:04,491
The shoe was brought
to the NBA for approval
1202
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:07,077
because his-- the season
was starting right there.
1203
00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:09,288
I remember
being brought into an office
1204
00:54:09,288 --> 00:54:11,248
where I was shown the shoe,
1205
00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,292
and I was told
that we had a problem.
1206
00:54:13,292 --> 00:54:14,918
I don't have any recollection
1207
00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:17,671
of, uh, when I first saw them.
1208
00:54:18,213 --> 00:54:21,258
Now, for some reason that I--
I really don't recollect.
1209
00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:24,303
I authored a, uh--
and signed a letter...
1210
00:54:24,303 --> 00:54:25,554
uh, to Nike
1211
00:54:25,554 --> 00:54:28,807
that advised them
that the shoe was, uh,
1212
00:54:28,807 --> 00:54:31,310
was not--
did not meet our rules.
1213
00:54:31,310 --> 00:54:32,895
It was banned by the NBA.
1214
00:54:33,312 --> 00:54:35,898
David Stern banned
the Air Jordan,
1215
00:54:36,148 --> 00:54:37,357
there's no question.
1216
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:41,320
They didn't comply
with league rules,
1217
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,613
but they were never banned.
1218
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:44,948
They were never banned.
1219
00:54:54,583 --> 00:54:56,877
We've been talking
about them a lot recently.
1220
00:54:56,877 --> 00:54:58,253
There's been a lot of noise
1221
00:54:58,253 --> 00:54:59,922
-in the history of the shoe.
-Arguably,
1222
00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:01,965
the most important factor
in its colorway's appeal,
1223
00:55:01,965 --> 00:55:04,510
is the fact that it's banned
by the NBA, or so we thought.
1224
00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:06,929
And many believed the Airship
is actually the shoe
1225
00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:08,847
that was banned by the NBA.
1226
00:55:08,847 --> 00:55:11,141
Ban name on these and help
it sell, but what happened...
1227
00:55:11,141 --> 00:55:12,768
But many of you
heard the story...
1228
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:17,064
...but none of that
has been confirmed.
1229
00:55:17,064 --> 00:55:18,815
However, it seems
the colors were accurate
1230
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:20,567
in regards to being banned
by the NBA,
1231
00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:22,819
but not the shoe itself.
In our Complex article
1232
00:55:22,819 --> 00:55:25,197
Russ Bengston explains in detail
how the Nike Airship
1233
00:55:25,197 --> 00:55:27,032
was a catalyst for the NBA's ban
on the colorway.
1234
00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:29,284
As you can see in this video,
MJ is sporting
1235
00:55:29,284 --> 00:55:30,744
the Nike Airship
during pregame
1236
00:55:30,744 --> 00:55:32,955
prior to his
Madison Square Garden debut.
1237
00:55:34,081 --> 00:55:35,624
Maybe it's the Airship
that's banned,
1238
00:55:35,624 --> 00:55:37,459
or it might be the Air Jordan I.
1239
00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:39,503
Right? We don't know exactly
which one.
1240
00:55:39,836 --> 00:55:41,797
No one really is right.
1241
00:55:41,797 --> 00:55:44,716
I think if anyone tries
to overthink
1242
00:55:44,716 --> 00:55:46,301
what happened back then,
1243
00:55:46,301 --> 00:55:47,594
they're missing the point.
1244
00:55:47,594 --> 00:55:49,012
The beauty of the urban legend
1245
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:51,306
is it can be basically
for whatever you want it to be.
1246
00:55:51,306 --> 00:55:53,433
It almost doesn't matter
after that point.
1247
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,186
Designing
a physical product
1248
00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:59,523
for an athlete is what
my background is focused on.
1249
00:55:59,523 --> 00:56:00,983
Basic timeline
for that process
1250
00:56:00,983 --> 00:56:03,026
is anywhere from 18 months,
1251
00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:04,695
all the way out to five years.
1252
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:07,072
Uh, the meeting that we had
1253
00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:09,866
and, uh, with Falk,
was in August,
1254
00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:12,369
and we wanted him
to play basketball
1255
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,955
in the product
in the end of September,
1256
00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:16,373
or first part of October.
1257
00:56:16,999 --> 00:56:19,876
So, we had to get...
1258
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:21,962
all of this done.
1259
00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:24,631
We couldn't do that
with a brand new shoe,
1260
00:56:24,631 --> 00:56:26,258
we didn't have enough time.
1261
00:56:26,258 --> 00:56:27,926
You know, it was, uh...
1262
00:56:27,926 --> 00:56:30,429
an impossible task, frankly.
1263
00:56:31,513 --> 00:56:35,225
So, Airship became the shoes
that he would wear
1264
00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:38,895
while his shoe
was being prepared.
1265
00:56:39,146 --> 00:56:42,149
And we colored the Airship
in red, black, and white.
1266
00:56:44,109 --> 00:56:47,571
So he was gonna have to start
to play in look-a-likes
1267
00:56:47,571 --> 00:56:49,323
because I didn't want him
wearing white shoes
1268
00:56:49,323 --> 00:56:51,199
then all of a sudden,
showing up in colored shoes.
1269
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:54,328
The idea was that
this colorways was his shoe.
1270
00:56:54,328 --> 00:56:58,915
I think the-- the reason
why so much is made
1271
00:56:59,625 --> 00:57:01,960
about what could or couldn't be,
1272
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,587
or will or won't be true,
1273
00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:07,299
or what day
or who said, and why
1274
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:09,635
was because it's this rookie,
1275
00:57:09,635 --> 00:57:11,845
this brand-new shoe
that looks totally different
1276
00:57:11,845 --> 00:57:13,263
than everything else,
1277
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,723
and it's breaking the rules,
1278
00:57:14,723 --> 00:57:16,767
and he's not even
two months in.
1279
00:57:19,102 --> 00:57:20,854
When you don't understand
something,
1280
00:57:21,563 --> 00:57:23,690
there's gonna be controversy
around it,
1281
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:25,108
but it wasn't about a date,
1282
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:26,568
it wasn't about who banned it,
1283
00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:27,903
it wasn't about a reason why.
1284
00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:29,613
All that matters is,
1285
00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:30,822
this shoe was...
1286
00:57:31,782 --> 00:57:32,658
out of this world.
1287
00:57:33,075 --> 00:57:35,202
This particular sneaker
1288
00:57:35,202 --> 00:57:37,746
brought with it
a kind of heroicism
1289
00:57:38,121 --> 00:57:43,043
that made it desirable
at an unprecedented level.
1290
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:44,920
Hello, again, everybody,
1291
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,174
and welcome to the 1985
NBA Slam Dunk Championship.
1292
00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:50,842
It wasn't as if
that Air Jordan
1293
00:57:50,842 --> 00:57:52,386
never was seen on a stage.
1294
00:57:52,386 --> 00:57:54,054
He wore them
in the dunk contest
1295
00:57:54,054 --> 00:57:55,889
of 1985's All Star Weekend.
1296
00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:57,557
All right,
here's Michael Jordan
1297
00:57:57,557 --> 00:57:59,768
of the Chicago Bulls.
Six-six rookie.
1298
00:57:59,768 --> 00:58:01,812
Slam, beautiful.
Out of sight.
1299
00:58:01,812 --> 00:58:04,064
You know, he showed up
as this brash rookie,
1300
00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:05,816
and he had, like,
this special warm up suit
1301
00:58:05,816 --> 00:58:07,359
and he has
his Air Jordan s,
1302
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,945
and he had some gold chains on
and the earring.
1303
00:58:09,945 --> 00:58:11,613
In 1985,
1304
00:58:11,613 --> 00:58:13,073
and to a bunch
of ten-year-old kids,
1305
00:58:13,073 --> 00:58:14,491
like, dunking became,
1306
00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:16,410
like, the thing to do
1307
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:17,369
in Kansas.
1308
00:58:17,953 --> 00:58:19,454
It's not a dunking state,
1309
00:58:19,454 --> 00:58:20,747
we're a jump shot state.
1310
00:58:20,747 --> 00:58:22,708
I just was like,
"I wish I could do that.
1311
00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:23,792
I wish I could do that."
1312
00:58:25,961 --> 00:58:27,170
I wish I could do that.
1313
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:29,548
Like the flare
on the dunk contest,
1314
00:58:29,548 --> 00:58:32,092
you know what I'm saying?
You just can't not see that.
1315
00:58:32,092 --> 00:58:33,719
You can't take it back,
you know?
1316
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:35,721
You see those shoes flare,
and you're just like,
1317
00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:37,222
"Oh, they're wings."
1318
00:58:37,222 --> 00:58:38,807
Look at this.
Now he's putting down--
1319
00:58:38,807 --> 00:58:40,142
Tape on the foul line.
1320
00:58:40,142 --> 00:58:41,727
That's for
the old take-off.
1321
00:58:41,727 --> 00:58:43,270
That's what-- Yeah,
he wants to indicate
1322
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:45,313
where he's going to take off
on this dunk.
1323
00:58:46,022 --> 00:58:47,983
-Fly! Slam it!
-Whoo!
1324
00:58:47,983 --> 00:58:50,026
Hey Marvin,
sure that's Michael Jordan?
1325
00:58:50,026 --> 00:58:52,863
And his foot
was honest to that tape.
1326
00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:54,531
That's a ten to me.
1327
00:58:54,531 --> 00:58:55,866
Michael wore the shoe.
1328
00:58:55,866 --> 00:58:58,326
I heard about it,
somebody put it in front of me,
1329
00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:00,787
I saw it,
I wanted to create that.
1330
00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:02,956
So, the AJ1's reverence
1331
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,293
lead to this series of events
where people like me
1332
00:59:06,293 --> 00:59:08,462
were able to find this artifact
1333
00:59:08,462 --> 00:59:10,380
that encouraged us
to pursue our own destiny.
1334
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:13,425
There are a number
of creation myths
1335
00:59:13,425 --> 00:59:15,844
around the NBA,
of the way things have happened,
1336
00:59:15,844 --> 00:59:19,389
that don't quite match up
with historical facts.
1337
00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:21,641
And we all sort of got
to chuckle about that,
1338
00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:23,685
and we thought
that was pretty innovative,
1339
00:59:23,685 --> 00:59:26,480
what they had done
with the circumstances.
1340
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,357
Remember, red and black
on their away uniform...
1341
00:59:30,317 --> 00:59:32,861
then white was like
their home uniform.
1342
00:59:32,861 --> 00:59:35,071
First thing I remember
about the real shoe was
1343
00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,615
we made some samples
1344
00:59:36,615 --> 00:59:38,992
and showed those to him,
and he picked three.
1345
00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:44,206
Either way
he was gonna stand out.
1346
00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:48,543
It was the guy that
nobody was ever gonna be like.
1347
00:59:48,543 --> 00:59:50,003
You're gonna have
a bunch of guys
1348
00:59:50,003 --> 00:59:51,463
that are gonna come close,
gonna...
1349
00:59:51,838 --> 00:59:54,132
"Oh, oh, man,
he reminds me of MJ."
1350
00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:56,009
You can remind
as much as you want.
1351
00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:56,885
You're not MJ.
1352
00:59:58,470 --> 01:00:00,514
Hate it, love it, believe it,
discredit it, it still happened.
1353
01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:02,724
And so,
that's what I take away from it,
1354
01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:04,768
is being yourself on purpose
in public all the time
1355
01:00:04,768 --> 01:00:06,978
is the most important thing
you can do as a human being,
1356
01:00:06,978 --> 01:00:08,563
and Michael did it
on the grandest stage.
1357
01:00:08,563 --> 01:00:10,982
I don't believe
what I just saw!
1358
01:00:10,982 --> 01:00:12,984
I saw a man fly!
1359
01:00:24,955 --> 01:00:28,542
Hip hop was the first
co-signer of,
1360
01:00:28,542 --> 01:00:30,669
"This sneaker
is what you wanna wear."
1361
01:00:30,669 --> 01:00:33,171
Hip hop being graffiti...
1362
01:00:34,172 --> 01:00:38,802
break dancing,
and MCs rapping over beats.
1363
01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:41,847
People were doing it,
and they expressed themselves.
1364
01:00:41,847 --> 01:00:44,599
The whole spirit
of what those sneakers meant
1365
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,143
really spoke
to this rebelliousness
1366
01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:48,645
that was like, "Damn."
1367
01:00:49,938 --> 01:00:52,190
That really just changed
the entire course.
1368
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:53,942
You know,
in hip hop, we talk about
1369
01:00:53,942 --> 01:00:56,152
what's going on in our lives,
1370
01:00:56,152 --> 01:00:59,030
and we're telling stories
of our perspective.
1371
01:00:59,030 --> 01:01:02,826
We have an outlet where
we can express our passion.
1372
01:01:02,826 --> 01:01:04,995
I think that was
an important thing
1373
01:01:04,995 --> 01:01:05,996
about the Jordan,
1374
01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:08,832
that it had a story
right from the beginning.
1375
01:01:08,832 --> 01:01:11,418
And that's connected to hip hop.
So, it's all about stories.
1376
01:01:11,418 --> 01:01:13,003
I got a little story
to tell you.
1377
01:01:13,003 --> 01:01:16,131
And it's very much
like they've been in step
1378
01:01:16,131 --> 01:01:17,757
with each other in that respect.
1379
01:01:17,757 --> 01:01:20,302
I'm telling you, every pair
of Jordans comes with a story,
1380
01:01:20,302 --> 01:01:22,137
A million stories, even.
1381
01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:23,430
Everybody that has them
1382
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:25,390
wanted them
for some real reason.
1383
01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:28,727
I remember sitting in our house,
and my brother brought home
1384
01:01:28,727 --> 01:01:30,770
NWA's record,
Straight Outta Compton.
1385
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:32,272
♪ Straight Outta Compton ♪
1386
01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:33,940
♪ Crazy motherfucker
named Ice Cube ♪
1387
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:36,026
♪ From the gang called
Niggaz With Attitudes ♪
1388
01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:37,903
And we were listening
to it on a record player.
1389
01:01:37,903 --> 01:01:39,404
And my mother just lost it.
1390
01:01:39,404 --> 01:01:42,157
She was like,
"What the fuck is this?
1391
01:01:42,449 --> 01:01:45,243
Turn that shit off.
Are you out of your mind?"
1392
01:01:45,243 --> 01:01:46,995
♪ Goin' off on the
Motherfucker like that ♪
1393
01:01:46,995 --> 01:01:48,371
And we just thought it was
1394
01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:49,664
the greatest thing
we ever heard.
1395
01:01:50,248 --> 01:01:52,667
I saw Eazy-E
wearing Jordans,
1396
01:01:52,667 --> 01:01:55,003
and you know, I'm like,
"Dang, that's dope!"
1397
01:01:55,003 --> 01:01:56,838
Like, look at how cool
this guy looks.
1398
01:01:56,838 --> 01:01:59,215
♪ ...for the one they call Eazy
But here's a flash... ♪
1399
01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:01,468
But, like, some
of the first albums I had
1400
01:02:01,468 --> 01:02:05,263
growing up were N.W.A.,
The Chronic, Doggystyle.
1401
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:07,015
And seeing a lot
of things, like,
1402
01:02:07,015 --> 01:02:10,727
from the Public Enemy videos,
and still, the stuff
1403
01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:13,146
that I wouldn't even imagine
people doing on videos today.
1404
01:02:13,146 --> 01:02:15,357
♪ I'm countin' down
To the day, deservin' ♪
1405
01:02:15,357 --> 01:02:16,942
♪ Fittin' for a king ♪
1406
01:02:16,942 --> 01:02:19,235
♪ I'm waiting for the time
When I can get to Arizona ♪
1407
01:02:19,235 --> 01:02:20,612
♪ 'Cause my money's spent... ♪
1408
01:02:20,612 --> 01:02:23,114
Politically,
it was very much awake.
1409
01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:26,493
You know, you were faced
with the circumstances,
1410
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,163
and it come
from the presidential switch,
1411
01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:32,457
but the strength
of the music and the culture
1412
01:02:32,457 --> 01:02:36,044
gave us some hope,
something to look forward to.
1413
01:02:36,044 --> 01:02:40,256
And then, fight those situations
that try to keep you back.
1414
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,926
Growing up in Compton
in that era,
1415
01:02:42,926 --> 01:02:45,971
and listening
to what they were reporting,
1416
01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:49,307
because they were talking about
and hitting points
1417
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:51,184
that we weren't seeing
1418
01:02:51,893 --> 01:02:53,353
in the mainstream media.
1419
01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:56,690
And all those things
that were swirling at that time,
1420
01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:58,692
it helped me write
"Fight the Power".
1421
01:02:58,692 --> 01:03:00,318
♪ Fight the power ♪
1422
01:03:00,318 --> 01:03:01,695
♪ Fight the power ♪
1423
01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:05,407
And "Fight the Power"
doesn't become an anthem
1424
01:03:05,407 --> 01:03:06,658
without Spike Lee.
1425
01:03:07,325 --> 01:03:09,911
Spike Lee's
Mars Blackmon character
1426
01:03:10,203 --> 01:03:13,832
for She's Gotta Have It
was the first b-boy
1427
01:03:13,832 --> 01:03:15,709
that got, you know, cinema play.
1428
01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:20,505
What about Nola Darling?
What do you wanna know?
1429
01:03:20,505 --> 01:03:21,715
I thought she was a freak.
1430
01:03:21,715 --> 01:03:24,092
Mars is a b-boy,
loved ball,
1431
01:03:24,092 --> 01:03:25,760
and so it's just natural...
1432
01:03:27,012 --> 01:03:28,722
for Mars to wear Jordans.
1433
01:03:30,473 --> 01:03:33,560
Mars loves his Jordans so much.
1434
01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:37,355
When he's making love with Nola,
he still has his Jordans on.
1435
01:03:39,607 --> 01:03:42,444
Spike had that hat
flipped up with the AJ1s,
1436
01:03:42,444 --> 01:03:44,612
and it was just, like,
this iconic look.
1437
01:03:44,612 --> 01:03:46,656
I helped bring it
into the mainstream.
1438
01:03:46,656 --> 01:03:48,950
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air,
In the House,
1439
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:51,369
LL, we did everything
we could to bring it in
1440
01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:52,871
because I believed in it.
1441
01:03:52,871 --> 01:03:54,497
And that really took hip hop
1442
01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:56,958
and the style of music
to a whole 'nother level.
1443
01:03:56,958 --> 01:03:59,252
In terms
of revolutionary dress, or...
1444
01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:01,713
saying what you feel
politically...
1445
01:04:01,713 --> 01:04:03,256
I'm not guessing.
1446
01:04:03,256 --> 01:04:06,384
Bebop, doo-wop,
hip hop, laptop, okay.
1447
01:04:10,889 --> 01:04:14,350
Before social media,
you saw these outfits
1448
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:17,645
and these footwear moments
during music videos,
1449
01:04:17,645 --> 01:04:19,147
whether it was Jay-Z,
1450
01:04:19,481 --> 01:04:22,025
Nas, or Wu-Tang,
1451
01:04:22,317 --> 01:04:24,778
these guys all worshipped
the Jordan brand.
1452
01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:27,238
It's a lifestyle,
it's a culture,
1453
01:04:27,238 --> 01:04:28,698
it's powerful.
1454
01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:30,200
♪ And I'm cool like that ♪
1455
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,452
♪ I'm cool like that
I'm cool like that ♪
1456
01:04:32,452 --> 01:04:34,954
♪ I'm cool like that
I'm cool like that ♪
1457
01:04:34,954 --> 01:04:35,872
♪ I'm cool like that ♪
1458
01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:38,583
I think that's when
Jordans really took a turn
1459
01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:41,252
and, like, really became
this different thing
1460
01:04:41,252 --> 01:04:43,630
where graffiti artists
or artists in general
1461
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:45,173
started to implement that.
1462
01:04:45,173 --> 01:04:47,592
To have the opportunity
to wear something that said,
1463
01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:50,970
"I'm cool, I have style,
I care about fashion,
1464
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:53,098
and my game
is better than yours"...
1465
01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:55,350
This was something that
that shoe said
1466
01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:57,185
without you having
to say it out loud.
1467
01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:59,270
You started seeing
all the cross-pollination,
1468
01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:04,234
and basketball players wanted
to be rappers and do rap videos
1469
01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:06,319
and, you know,
every entertainer and rapper
1470
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,822
now wanted to be
a basketball player,
1471
01:05:08,822 --> 01:05:10,490
or get involved in sports.
1472
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:13,535
And, you know,
the shoes were the catalyst
1473
01:05:13,535 --> 01:05:15,161
for creating this culture.
1474
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:18,706
Look at what it did
for basketball!
1475
01:05:18,706 --> 01:05:20,834
That all happened
because of Air Jordan.
1476
01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:23,336
The league has been
both a leader,
1477
01:05:23,336 --> 01:05:27,048
but also a beneficiary
of those changes in culture.
1478
01:05:27,048 --> 01:05:30,260
And made it the premiere sport
1479
01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:33,179
of the United States of America
overnight.
1480
01:05:33,721 --> 01:05:35,056
Michael, is this the shoe--
1481
01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:37,350
Of course, we can't show
what kind of shoe this is.
1482
01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:38,893
That's okay,
the colors stand for it.
1483
01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:40,520
But is this the shoe
that the NBA
1484
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:41,813
-wouldn't let you wear?
-Yeah.
1485
01:05:41,813 --> 01:05:43,189
The shoe...
1486
01:05:43,189 --> 01:05:47,610
was a foundational part
1487
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,113
in the way our society
sort of changed
1488
01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:51,531
and how people felt.
1489
01:05:51,531 --> 01:05:54,117
Like, I wanna embrace
other things.
1490
01:05:54,117 --> 01:05:56,995
This one shoe changed
1491
01:05:56,995 --> 01:05:58,413
fashion and culture.
1492
01:05:58,413 --> 01:06:00,582
And I think it changed
1493
01:06:00,582 --> 01:06:04,377
the way being a young urban kid
was something that was desirable
1494
01:06:04,377 --> 01:06:06,421
for people who weren't
young urban kids.
1495
01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:09,132
I think I'm
the living embodiment,
1496
01:06:09,132 --> 01:06:11,259
from the suburbs,
when in fourth grade,
1497
01:06:11,259 --> 01:06:13,928
I knew... Like, that coming
basketball season
1498
01:06:13,928 --> 01:06:15,722
I got Air Jordan 1s.
1499
01:06:15,722 --> 01:06:18,141
With the AJ1,
it's a shoe that you can wear,
1500
01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:19,934
obviously, on a court,
and off the floor.
1501
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,646
And it can go play
on both sides of the field.
1502
01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:26,065
And as fashion
has evolved, and...
1503
01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:27,984
people paid
more attention to it,
1504
01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:30,361
and now people see
the greatness of the shoe,
1505
01:06:30,361 --> 01:06:32,739
and why it was so important,
especially back in the day.
1506
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,701
I think when you're
looking good and feeling good,
1507
01:06:36,701 --> 01:06:38,620
then everything else is good,
you know?
1508
01:06:39,454 --> 01:06:41,289
[Sal, everyone was like,
1509
01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:44,042
"Shit, I wanna look like that."
1510
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,836
I wanna dress
like those dudes.
1511
01:06:46,836 --> 01:06:50,089
that's true, artists
like Run-DMC to Eazy-E,
1512
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:52,634
you'd have to have
the flyest hat and jacket,
1513
01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:54,469
and it goes down
to the feet.
1514
01:06:54,469 --> 01:06:57,180
It became kind of
the badge of honor,
1515
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:59,807
that if you wore that,
you had the stature
1516
01:06:59,807 --> 01:07:01,142
that you wanted,
1517
01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:02,977
and you had a style swagger
1518
01:07:02,977 --> 01:07:04,604
that the guys around you
didn't have.
1519
01:07:05,355 --> 01:07:07,941
Fashion is fascinating
because if you follow it,
1520
01:07:07,941 --> 01:07:11,319
it tells a bigger
anthropological story.
1521
01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:13,696
I think people assume
it's a commodity.
1522
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:16,282
But no, the hood
just made it, you know,
1523
01:07:16,282 --> 01:07:18,284
a part of the culture.
It made it popular.
1524
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:20,453
Like, people looked
at the hood to see what to do
1525
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:22,038
and what to wear
and what to say
1526
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,041
-and how to dress.
-And it changed the perspective
1527
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,336
on how you could wear clothes.
1528
01:07:31,714 --> 01:07:33,132
You know, back in the day,
1529
01:07:33,132 --> 01:07:36,219
the way that your apparel
would lay on the footwear,
1530
01:07:36,219 --> 01:07:39,305
like, didn't really lend itself
to amplifying
1531
01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:41,474
or highlighting the footwear
that you were wearing
1532
01:07:41,474 --> 01:07:42,558
at the time.
1533
01:07:42,558 --> 01:07:44,978
And as things started
to taper down,
1534
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,188
and pants got tighter,
1535
01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:49,774
because people wanted
to show off the footwear...
1536
01:07:52,026 --> 01:07:53,778
The shoes really changed
1537
01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:58,449
the way I wanted to wear clothes
and my appearance, you know,
1538
01:07:58,449 --> 01:08:01,119
It kinda just started from
the ground up with the shoes.
1539
01:08:01,828 --> 01:08:03,288
But there was never,
1540
01:08:03,288 --> 01:08:06,541
besides that kind of
anti-fashion Converse sneaker,
1541
01:08:06,541 --> 01:08:08,418
there was never really
another sneaker
1542
01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:12,380
that truly became a significant
part of the fashion world,
1543
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:13,798
and this became...
1544
01:08:14,215 --> 01:08:15,091
pure fashion.
1545
01:08:17,552 --> 01:08:19,053
What we choose to wear
1546
01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:23,266
says a lot about how we want
to be perceived in society.
1547
01:08:23,266 --> 01:08:25,101
So, by wearing a certain pair
of sneakers,
1548
01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:26,644
or a certain colorway,
1549
01:08:27,061 --> 01:08:29,856
it's a sort of
non-verbal communication
1550
01:08:29,856 --> 01:08:34,277
to other people about how
we want them to perceive us.
1551
01:08:34,277 --> 01:08:37,113
You can wear the Jordan 1
with a pair of denim,
1552
01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:39,699
you can wear 'em with shorts,
you can wear 'em with sweats,
1553
01:08:39,699 --> 01:08:41,909
you can wear 'em
on the basketball court,
1554
01:08:41,909 --> 01:08:45,079
you can get the all-black pair
and wear 'em out at night,
1555
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:46,998
with the all-white pair
and wear 'em to the beach.
1556
01:08:46,998 --> 01:08:49,667
You can wear the red
or the royals,
1557
01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:51,794
and that's your flex
for the outfit.
1558
01:08:52,628 --> 01:08:54,922
It's just one of those shoes
you can do anything in.
1559
01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:05,141
That's the silhouette for a lot
of shoes that are out right now.
1560
01:09:05,141 --> 01:09:06,601
That's the beginning...
1561
01:09:07,226 --> 01:09:08,394
of the beginning.
1562
01:09:10,897 --> 01:09:13,149
It's just
this incredible moment
1563
01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,275
in sneaker culture.
1564
01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:17,403
Sneakers hadn't come out
in that kind of serial way,
1565
01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:20,823
and so, I think it also helped
to till the ground
1566
01:09:20,823 --> 01:09:22,658
for this idea of collecting.
1567
01:09:22,658 --> 01:09:26,079
You didn't chase
anybody else's sneakers,
1568
01:09:26,746 --> 01:09:29,082
but then these AJs come.
1569
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:31,209
Now you gotta have every pair.
1570
01:09:31,209 --> 01:09:33,920
♪ One, ain’t no missing
On my mission ♪
1571
01:09:34,379 --> 01:09:37,090
♪ Oh, my, did my shit
With no permission ♪
1572
01:09:38,007 --> 01:09:41,219
♪ No, I hate to wait
Uh, uh, take your place ♪
1573
01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:42,845
♪ Uh, uh, make a break ♪
1574
01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:44,722
♪ Uh, uh, made a play ♪
1575
01:09:44,722 --> 01:09:45,890
♪ Woo, put ’em high ♪
1576
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:47,642
♪ I can fly and feel the sky ♪
1577
01:09:47,642 --> 01:09:49,394
♪ Ain’t no stopping
Feel the drive ♪
1578
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,145
♪ In my way
You feel the fight ♪
1579
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:53,648
♪ From the side
Yo, they said we was a vibe ♪
1580
01:09:53,648 --> 01:09:55,650
♪ No, we tell ’em
At the side, no ♪
1581
01:09:55,650 --> 01:09:57,944
♪ Let me see you put
Your fingers high ♪
1582
01:09:57,944 --> 01:09:59,695
♪ One time ’cause we made it ♪
1583
01:09:59,695 --> 01:10:01,447
♪ One time for the greatest ♪
1584
01:10:01,447 --> 01:10:02,782
♪ One time for the haters ♪
1585
01:10:02,782 --> 01:10:04,742
♪ Gon’ put your fingers high ♪
1586
01:10:04,742 --> 01:10:05,785
♪ One time ♪
1587
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,287
-Am I making myself clear?
-Uh-uh.
1588
01:10:08,287 --> 01:10:10,540
The new Air Jordans
from Nike are here.
1589
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:13,876
If you wanna look at
what would be called
1590
01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:16,462
the sneaker culture
and say what was the thing
1591
01:10:16,462 --> 01:10:18,089
that changed everything,
1592
01:10:18,339 --> 01:10:21,092
it's when Spike Lee made
the shoe a character.
1593
01:10:21,092 --> 01:10:23,428
Mars Blackmon chillin',
chillin', chillin'
1594
01:10:23,428 --> 01:10:25,513
with Air Jordan,
Air Jordan, Air Jordan,
1595
01:10:25,513 --> 01:10:28,850
who's been serving them
hard jams, jams, jams all day.
1596
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:30,768
Spike's the reason
I'm doing what I'm doing.
1597
01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:33,146
Spike was the first black dude
that was like,
1598
01:10:33,146 --> 01:10:37,024
"Oh, you can tell black stories,
but they can speak to everybody,
1599
01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:39,902
and if it's real and honest,
people will sort of get it,"
1600
01:10:39,902 --> 01:10:42,447
because Spike represented
the same spirit
1601
01:10:42,447 --> 01:10:43,823
that the Jordan 1 did.
1602
01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:45,700
Proprietary, rebellious,
1603
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:48,119
could not be held back,
you know what I'm saying? The--
1604
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:49,996
You knew he was gonna try
to be the best.
1605
01:10:50,413 --> 01:10:52,206
"Money,
is it the shoes?"
1606
01:10:52,206 --> 01:10:54,000
Sorry. That's it.
1607
01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:55,501
"It's gotta be the shoe."
1608
01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:56,669
"It's gotta be the shoes."
1609
01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:58,129
Like, yeah, motherfucker,
it is the shoes!
1610
01:10:58,129 --> 01:10:59,714
Money's gotta be the shoes!
1611
01:10:59,714 --> 01:11:01,382
Shoes! Shoes! Shoes! Shoes!
1612
01:11:01,382 --> 01:11:03,593
-You sure it's not the shoes?
-I'm sure, Mars.
1613
01:11:03,593 --> 01:11:05,553
The commercials in
and of themselves
1614
01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:08,014
were events. It was like
someone droppin' a mixtape,
1615
01:11:08,014 --> 01:11:09,599
or an album or a movie.
1616
01:11:09,599 --> 01:11:12,101
Finding out these cool ways
to, like...
1617
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,520
inject some social commentary,
1618
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,647
none of that existed before.
1619
01:11:17,023 --> 01:11:19,066
And there was a sense that...
1620
01:11:19,066 --> 01:11:21,068
what happened off the court
1621
01:11:21,068 --> 01:11:22,945
affected what happened
on the court.
1622
01:11:22,945 --> 01:11:24,739
It was transcending basketball.
1623
01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:31,037
It was one of the very
first basketball shoes
1624
01:11:31,037 --> 01:11:33,039
that somehow jumped out
of basketball.
1625
01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:38,294
And it got blended
with modern youth culture,
1626
01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:41,589
but also, it did jump
into skateboarding.
1627
01:11:41,589 --> 01:11:42,798
♪ R ♪
1628
01:11:42,798 --> 01:11:43,966
♪ E ♪
1629
01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:45,301
♪ S ♪
1630
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:47,011
♪ I-S-T, yeah! ♪
1631
01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:48,346
♪ R ♪
1632
01:11:48,346 --> 01:11:49,430
♪ E ♪
1633
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:50,723
We started
when we were kids
1634
01:11:50,723 --> 01:11:53,017
and we cared
only about skateboarders,
1635
01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:55,228
and that's it.
Everything else was terrible.
1636
01:11:56,938 --> 01:11:58,856
The industry
was pretty desolate,
1637
01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:01,067
and Vans stopped sponsoring
all the skateboarders.
1638
01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:05,821
So, all the kids
that were sponsored by Vans
1639
01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:07,073
went looking for shoes.
1640
01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:13,412
When it came
to make Animal Chin,
1641
01:12:13,412 --> 01:12:15,206
we kind of altered them
in a way.
1642
01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:17,959
Like, I would always wear
mismatched pairs.
1643
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:20,086
A couple of friends
would always paint 'em.
1644
01:12:20,086 --> 01:12:21,879
We wanted to modify this thing
1645
01:12:21,879 --> 01:12:23,631
and say it wasn't
a basketball thing,
1646
01:12:23,631 --> 01:12:24,799
it's a skateboard thing.
1647
01:12:26,509 --> 01:12:29,053
I remember tying in
1648
01:12:29,053 --> 01:12:31,138
the Jordan 1
on the skateboarders,
1649
01:12:31,556 --> 01:12:34,475
and a Jordan 1
on a hip-hop kid.
1650
01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:36,811
So here is this other...
1651
01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,272
up-and-becoming entity
1652
01:12:39,730 --> 01:12:42,275
that spawns corporate America
to say, "Hey,
1653
01:12:42,275 --> 01:12:44,735
we gonna do this thing our way."
1654
01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:46,696
And their shoe of choice
became...
1655
01:12:47,613 --> 01:12:49,115
the Jordan 1.
1656
01:12:55,329 --> 01:12:58,124
I've met all the kids
that grew up on us
1657
01:12:58,124 --> 01:13:00,251
wearing them,
that that's their world.
1658
01:13:00,543 --> 01:13:01,836
♪ R ♪
1659
01:13:01,836 --> 01:13:02,712
♪ E ♪
1660
01:13:03,129 --> 01:13:04,130
♪ S ♪
1661
01:13:04,672 --> 01:13:06,132
♪ I-S-T, yeah! ♪
1662
01:13:06,132 --> 01:13:07,174
♪ R ♪
1663
01:13:08,801 --> 01:13:10,136
We wanted to be Jordan...
1664
01:13:10,553 --> 01:13:11,470
in skateboarding.
1665
01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:13,306
We truly did.
1666
01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:17,810
It was sports tied in
with skate,
1667
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:20,396
tied in with high fashion,
and...
1668
01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:22,898
Just put it in a blender,
1669
01:13:22,898 --> 01:13:26,736
and that's kinda how
you created, you know,
1670
01:13:26,736 --> 01:13:27,612
what you see today.
1671
01:13:27,945 --> 01:13:29,405
Now it's just culture.
1672
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,907
It's basketball
and music, and...
1673
01:13:31,907 --> 01:13:33,743
you know, movies and television.
1674
01:13:34,035 --> 01:13:36,537
It culminated
with both, you know, my--
1675
01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:38,331
the way that I play the game
of basketball
1676
01:13:38,331 --> 01:13:39,624
and this whole...
1677
01:13:41,125 --> 01:13:42,835
style thing of what was being
established with the shoe.
1678
01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:47,381
And almost invariably,
you could just see this
1679
01:13:47,381 --> 01:13:49,342
sort of tidal wave
of acceptance
1680
01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:52,094
sort of build, and just boom,
1681
01:13:52,094 --> 01:13:54,221
and then everybody wants
the shoe.
1682
01:13:56,766 --> 01:13:59,435
♪ Get, get, get loud for me ♪
1683
01:14:00,478 --> 01:14:02,146
It's hip-hop,
it's gospel.
1684
01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,440
-It's surf culture.
-It's rock and roll.
1685
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,275
on GQ,
it's on Esquire.
1686
01:14:06,275 --> 01:14:08,444
It's high fashion...
1687
01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:11,530
This deal
reinvigorates people.
1688
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:12,615
They're works of art.
1689
01:14:12,615 --> 01:14:14,492
Gets people's hearts throbbin'.
1690
01:14:14,867 --> 01:14:15,868
♪ Heart of a lion ♪
1691
01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:18,204
♪ Fire inside me
Blaze like a siren ♪
1692
01:14:18,788 --> 01:14:20,039
♪ Why would you try it? ♪
1693
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:21,374
♪ Wake up the beast... ♪
1694
01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:23,209
You can see
a skater in Jordans.
1695
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:25,044
It's in Spanish,
in Japanese, it...
1696
01:14:25,044 --> 01:14:27,421
-A nerdy kid in Jordans.
-So it crosses races.
1697
01:14:29,715 --> 01:14:31,425
It's all one,
it's all unity.
1698
01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:33,844
It was the role model
for your kids.
1699
01:14:33,844 --> 01:14:35,513
It's... It's everything.
1700
01:14:35,513 --> 01:14:37,932
I mean,
it's fucking powerful, man.
1701
01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:48,025
None of that happens
without this guy.
1702
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,152
None of that happens
without this.
1703
01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:52,863
And this doesn't happen...
1704
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:54,782
if Michael can't play.
1705
01:14:55,157 --> 01:14:57,535
After one season,
Michael Jordan skyrocketed
1706
01:14:57,535 --> 01:14:59,578
to the most elite of the NBA.
1707
01:14:59,578 --> 01:15:01,205
But in his third game
this season,
1708
01:15:01,205 --> 01:15:03,749
Air Jordan suffered the first
injury of his career.
1709
01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:09,630
When he got hurt,
when he broke his foot...
1710
01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:13,050
you know what,
might as well sit the year out.
1711
01:15:14,051 --> 01:15:15,678
You know.
You're not going anywhere.
1712
01:15:15,678 --> 01:15:18,055
We can't win a championship.
Let's just sit it out.
1713
01:15:18,889 --> 01:15:20,307
They held their breathe at Nike.
1714
01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:21,767
They really did,
that first year.
1715
01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:23,978
"What did we do?
This guy's hurt."
1716
01:15:23,978 --> 01:15:26,188
And they're worried
that maybe this investment's
1717
01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:27,565
gonna go into the toilet.
1718
01:15:27,565 --> 01:15:30,067
What if this guy
has a chronic foot problem?
1719
01:15:30,568 --> 01:15:32,319
Boy, it's a different ball game.
1720
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,113
Jordans were certainly popular,
1721
01:15:34,113 --> 01:15:35,865
but I think
they were a little bit worried
1722
01:15:35,865 --> 01:15:37,908
that maybe the business
was not going to be the same
1723
01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:40,244
-now that he wasn't playing.
-Well, I remember
1724
01:15:40,244 --> 01:15:41,662
it wasn't a very happy day.
1725
01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:44,248
As soon as that happened,
they sat on shelves.
1726
01:15:45,207 --> 01:15:46,876
You know what I mean?
They sat on shelves.
1727
01:15:46,876 --> 01:15:49,545
When you have to overcome
something like that,
1728
01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:52,006
there is always
a shred of doubt.
1729
01:15:52,923 --> 01:15:54,717
"Is it gonna be okay?
1730
01:15:54,717 --> 01:15:56,135
Is it gonna hold up?"
1731
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:57,887
And everything...
1732
01:15:59,013 --> 01:16:00,389
that comes in your path...
1733
01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:02,266
your triumphs...
1734
01:16:03,809 --> 01:16:05,186
or your lows, when you're--
Especially when you're young,
1735
01:16:05,186 --> 01:16:07,146
those-- those-- those--
1736
01:16:07,146 --> 01:16:09,064
Those young ages,
that's when you're impacted.
1737
01:16:09,648 --> 01:16:11,233
He just couldn't be amazing.
1738
01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:13,027
And everything
just couldn't be great.
1739
01:16:13,402 --> 01:16:14,862
Not in America.
1740
01:16:15,362 --> 01:16:17,114
Something has to be wrong.
1741
01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:28,125
In New York, people are
killing each other over shoes.
1742
01:16:28,667 --> 01:16:31,462
You know, you got a kid
who would kill a little kid
1743
01:16:31,462 --> 01:16:33,881
for a shoe that's two sizes
too small for him,
1744
01:16:33,881 --> 01:16:35,257
'cause he needs
these shoes.
1745
01:16:35,508 --> 01:16:37,176
Kids are literally...
1746
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,056
snatching the shoes
off of other kids' feet.
1747
01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:44,099
It literally was like,
1748
01:16:44,099 --> 01:16:46,685
"I might fucking have to end
someone's life...
1749
01:16:47,812 --> 01:16:51,565
so I can get those,
for what that status,
1750
01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,193
what that power
is going to give me."
1751
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,362
That's how crazy it got!
1752
01:16:57,154 --> 01:16:58,823
You know,
if you look at that
1753
01:16:58,823 --> 01:17:00,658
Sports Illustrated cover
with the Air Jordan V on it,
1754
01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:02,326
that was kind of
a turning point.
1755
01:17:02,326 --> 01:17:06,080
Once something hit a critical
stage of consumption
1756
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,332
to disenfranchise
neighborhoods,
1757
01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:11,794
and the price market
was sky-high
1758
01:17:11,794 --> 01:17:14,046
and it created issues for
1759
01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:16,006
young people
who wanted these things,
1760
01:17:16,006 --> 01:17:17,758
but families
that couldn't afford it,
1761
01:17:17,758 --> 01:17:21,470
that's when it got into
the political ball park.
1762
01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:23,264
We're playing basketball,
1763
01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:25,766
stayed around at the park
a little too long,
1764
01:17:25,766 --> 01:17:27,518
and I don't remember
who got hit first.
1765
01:17:27,518 --> 01:17:29,812
It was me or him,
but one of us got rocked.
1766
01:17:30,521 --> 01:17:32,565
And then, I just remember
being on the ground
1767
01:17:32,565 --> 01:17:34,316
and these folks tugging up
my feet.
1768
01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:37,653
I feared for, you know,
my life, basically.
1769
01:17:37,653 --> 01:17:39,029
...off of like...
1770
01:17:40,155 --> 01:17:42,157
some pieces of molded...
1771
01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:45,202
leather and plastic, and...
1772
01:17:45,202 --> 01:17:46,662
assembled by...
1773
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:50,416
young people in Asia.
1774
01:17:52,168 --> 01:17:53,085
That's...
1775
01:17:54,086 --> 01:17:55,629
That's wild.
1776
01:17:55,629 --> 01:17:57,840
Violence over
a pair of sneakers.
1777
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,384
These Air Jordans attract
big crowds,
1778
01:18:00,384 --> 01:18:02,386
and today, things took
a dangerous turn.
1779
01:18:02,386 --> 01:18:03,679
A local teenager
killed
1780
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,055
over a pair of shoes and...
1781
01:18:05,306 --> 01:18:07,433
Right now,
it's a public safety issue
1782
01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:09,226
with children wearing
those sneakers.
1783
01:18:09,226 --> 01:18:12,354
Here's what the problem
was about those stories,
1784
01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,857
is that if you were around
and you understood,
1785
01:18:14,857 --> 01:18:17,067
if you were from the hood,
you were like, "Well,
1786
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,737
it ain't Jordans, you get robbed
and killed for anything now."
1787
01:18:20,279 --> 01:18:22,197
You get robbed and killed
for a sheepskin coat.
1788
01:18:22,197 --> 01:18:23,991
You might've got
your Jordans taken
1789
01:18:23,991 --> 01:18:25,868
while they were taking
the sheepskin coat.
1790
01:18:25,868 --> 01:18:27,536
Before, when people were getting
1791
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:30,080
shot and stabbed
and killed for shell toes,
1792
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,081
no conversations.
1793
01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:33,334
Shot and stabbed,
and killed for Airforce 1s,
1794
01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:34,710
no conversations.
1795
01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:37,004
Anything that they were
getting shot and killed for
1796
01:18:37,004 --> 01:18:39,590
at that precise moment,
no conversations.
1797
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:41,634
He happens to be Michael Jordan,
1798
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:43,761
number one in the universe,
1799
01:18:44,094 --> 01:18:45,137
the unicorn.
1800
01:18:46,347 --> 01:18:47,473
Oh, now you're getting killed
for Jordans.
1801
01:18:47,473 --> 01:18:48,766
No, stupid!
1802
01:18:48,766 --> 01:18:50,643
You're getting killed
for sneakers!
1803
01:18:50,643 --> 01:18:52,686
That happened all the time.
1804
01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:55,856
So, to me,
the stories were bullshit.
1805
01:18:59,526 --> 01:19:02,446
Remove shoes or sneakers
away from it, it's just
1806
01:19:02,446 --> 01:19:04,949
a thing that means something
to someone.
1807
01:19:04,949 --> 01:19:08,410
It may sound silly to someone,
but sometimes, all you had
1808
01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:10,537
was these shoes, and you
give them to someone,
1809
01:19:10,537 --> 01:19:12,122
and that means a lot.
1810
01:19:12,623 --> 01:19:15,918
If a kid is shot
for having Jordan shoes,
1811
01:19:15,918 --> 01:19:17,795
I got a feeling there's
something more going on
1812
01:19:17,795 --> 01:19:18,671
than the shoes.
1813
01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:22,174
There's always
the other end of the coin,
1814
01:19:22,174 --> 01:19:23,634
where, um...
1815
01:19:23,926 --> 01:19:25,511
as much confidence
1816
01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:28,013
as a new pair of shoes
has given me,
1817
01:19:28,013 --> 01:19:30,975
there's a kid
who can't have them.
1818
01:19:30,975 --> 01:19:33,268
There's someone that
actually feels hurt by it,
1819
01:19:33,268 --> 01:19:35,479
and I've been on both ends
of that.
1820
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:41,026
We're all striving
for the same shit, you know.
1821
01:19:41,026 --> 01:19:44,738
We all want to better
our station in life.
1822
01:19:44,738 --> 01:19:46,699
We all want
to give our children
1823
01:19:46,699 --> 01:19:49,076
-more than what we had.
-And so even
1824
01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:51,078
when you're able to make
an impact,
1825
01:19:51,078 --> 01:19:53,872
there's generations that
follow that need updating,
1826
01:19:53,872 --> 01:19:55,749
they need maintenance
to understand
1827
01:19:56,083 --> 01:19:58,836
the severity of the situation
that they're in.
1828
01:19:59,503 --> 01:20:01,338
Revolution started
from the bottom,
1829
01:20:01,839 --> 01:20:03,382
you know, like,
throughout history,
1830
01:20:03,382 --> 01:20:04,633
especially American history.
1831
01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,593
We saw this emergence
of confidence,
1832
01:20:06,593 --> 01:20:08,387
not only from sports,
but from culture.
1833
01:20:09,138 --> 01:20:10,806
You had the growth of hip-hop,
1834
01:20:10,806 --> 01:20:13,100
the growth of,
you know, street art,
1835
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:15,436
the growth of this
awareness itself
1836
01:20:15,436 --> 01:20:17,688
that was happenin' in the
collective conscious of youth,
1837
01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:20,232
and then you have Michael
that encapsulated it all.
1838
01:20:20,232 --> 01:20:22,735
'Cause he looked like
the unlikely candidate
1839
01:20:22,735 --> 01:20:23,986
to start a revolution,
1840
01:20:25,487 --> 01:20:26,572
which is always the likely
candidate to start a revolution.
1841
01:20:27,823 --> 01:20:30,117
Everybody doesn't have
to be out front,
1842
01:20:30,909 --> 01:20:33,078
yelling, screaming, fist up...
1843
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:34,747
to be down.
1844
01:20:34,747 --> 01:20:35,956
A lot of people...
1845
01:20:36,915 --> 01:20:38,417
choose a different route.
1846
01:20:38,417 --> 01:20:41,462
A collective web of contributors
1847
01:20:42,046 --> 01:20:43,797
from various aspects
1848
01:20:43,797 --> 01:20:46,300
rose like a phoenix
out of the ashes.
1849
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:48,719
That gave a voice
to the voiceless.
1850
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:50,637
And in giving a voice
to the voiceless,
1851
01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:52,639
then, you know,
there's strength in numbers,
1852
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:54,349
and then people was like,
"Well, oh, shit,
1853
01:20:54,349 --> 01:20:56,185
if they're saying it,
I can say it."
1854
01:20:56,185 --> 01:20:58,270
You know, "If they're
not afraid to come out
1855
01:20:58,270 --> 01:21:00,397
and talk about this thing,
1856
01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:01,940
you know, why should I be?"
1857
01:21:02,441 --> 01:21:05,277
The voices get louder.
The marches get bigger.
1858
01:21:05,986 --> 01:21:07,988
You know, and, uh...
1859
01:21:07,988 --> 01:21:11,742
And the movement takes place,
and then there's a shift.
1860
01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:15,746
I wanna make my own mark,
I wanna do my own thing.
1861
01:21:15,746 --> 01:21:18,957
Not just for the fact
of being anti-establishment,
1862
01:21:18,957 --> 01:21:20,125
or counter-culture.
1863
01:21:20,125 --> 01:21:21,835
That's one thing,
but it's really about
1864
01:21:21,835 --> 01:21:24,463
thinking differently
and being able to,
1865
01:21:24,463 --> 01:21:27,591
you know, follow your own path,
create your own spirit.
1866
01:21:27,591 --> 01:21:29,176
I think some things
that have happened
1867
01:21:29,176 --> 01:21:32,596
in the past couple of years,
have sort of shown us ourselves,
1868
01:21:32,596 --> 01:21:34,264
whether we like
the refection or not.
1869
01:21:34,765 --> 01:21:36,809
And it's sort of made people
1870
01:21:37,142 --> 01:21:40,729
go deep within
to ask themselves,
1871
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:42,981
"What kind of world
do I wanna be a part of?
1872
01:21:42,981 --> 01:21:45,651
What kind of world
do I wanna show my children?"
1873
01:21:45,651 --> 01:21:47,694
There has to be a level
of unification
1874
01:21:47,694 --> 01:21:50,197
amongst people.
Athletes alike,
1875
01:21:50,197 --> 01:21:52,157
artists alike,
entertainers alike,
1876
01:21:52,157 --> 01:21:54,326
politicians alike.
There has to be some type of...
1877
01:21:54,785 --> 01:21:55,744
stance.
1878
01:22:00,290 --> 01:22:03,001
Yes, it was basketball,
1879
01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:06,672
but it also was a reality
1880
01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:12,010
of unlocking something
that was deep inside.
1881
01:22:13,470 --> 01:22:16,014
And that was kind of
the spirit of the 1.
1882
01:22:16,431 --> 01:22:17,975
He said, "Don't you believe?
1883
01:22:17,975 --> 01:22:20,394
Don't you believe in me?"
Yeah.
1884
01:22:20,394 --> 01:22:22,104
"You know what? Yeah.
1885
01:22:22,104 --> 01:22:23,981
I believe in you.
Go for it."
1886
01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:26,733
When Michael faces
the Boston Celtics,
1887
01:22:26,733 --> 01:22:29,653
you didn't think all those
people were looking at his feet
1888
01:22:29,653 --> 01:22:30,696
at that time?
1889
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,491
Almost the universe
painting this moment in time.
1890
01:22:35,242 --> 01:22:37,870
With these magical shoes on,
1891
01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:39,371
we can do things.
1892
01:22:39,371 --> 01:22:41,874
And when he actually has that
move at the Boston Garden,
1893
01:22:41,874 --> 01:22:44,543
when he shuffles,
people are looking at his feet.
1894
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:46,211
All eyes on Jordan.
1895
01:22:46,211 --> 01:22:48,964
Sixty-three points, and you're
looking at an all-time record.
1896
01:22:48,964 --> 01:22:50,716
Oh, boy. Michael Jordan...
1897
01:22:50,716 --> 01:22:53,177
The fact that
Michael Jordan is just badass
1898
01:22:53,177 --> 01:22:57,139
at that right time,
the planets lined up. Boom.
1899
01:22:57,139 --> 01:22:59,099
Mission control,
ready for launch.
1900
01:22:59,099 --> 01:23:00,976
You can hear his engine
revving now...
1901
01:23:00,976 --> 01:23:03,770
Air Jordan,
ready to take off.
1902
01:23:13,447 --> 01:23:15,449
Look at the air,
look at the hang time,
1903
01:23:15,449 --> 01:23:16,783
look at the flying motion.
1904
01:23:18,327 --> 01:23:19,995
That shit was just powerful.
1905
01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:21,747
Not just for sport...
1906
01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:23,790
but just, like, in life.
1907
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:33,884
The same way it's hard
to discriminate on someone
1908
01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,011
when you're listening
to the same music,
1909
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:37,930
it's even harder
to discriminate on someone
1910
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:39,514
when you're wearing
the same sneakers.
1911
01:23:39,514 --> 01:23:40,557
It's an instant connection.
1912
01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:43,602
You know,
yes, we're very different.
1913
01:23:43,602 --> 01:23:45,437
Yes, you know,
we speak different languages,
1914
01:23:45,437 --> 01:23:47,481
and we see the world
differently, but the one thing
1915
01:23:47,481 --> 01:23:49,441
that unified us,
and brought us together, was...
1916
01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:50,651
was the AJ 1.
1917
01:23:51,985 --> 01:23:54,196
The guy's been retired
for, what, 15 years?
1918
01:23:54,196 --> 01:23:56,490
Something like that? Twenty?
And they're still selling
1919
01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:59,493
these shoes like it was 1985,
like he was still playing.
1920
01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:03,205
It's gotten to the point now
where he just so happened
1921
01:24:03,205 --> 01:24:04,748
to have played basketball
1922
01:24:05,249 --> 01:24:07,793
and is the greatest player
that ever lived.
1923
01:24:09,127 --> 01:24:11,630
But he's a global icon...
1924
01:24:12,589 --> 01:24:14,216
because of the damn shoes.
1925
01:24:14,758 --> 01:24:17,844
I think we personally
immortalize it.
1926
01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:19,972
To see where it's at right now,
and to see...
1927
01:24:20,222 --> 01:24:22,099
that this younger generation
1928
01:24:22,099 --> 01:24:24,810
understands that
and is educated about that,
1929
01:24:25,143 --> 01:24:28,188
-that means a lot.
-Something that hits that big
1930
01:24:28,188 --> 01:24:30,899
or that good at one time
lives forever.
1931
01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,610
I think it's the same thing
that, uh, allows you
1932
01:24:33,610 --> 01:24:36,029
to still call Elvis "The King".
1933
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:39,074
It's undeniable greatness,
1934
01:24:39,074 --> 01:24:41,201
I think, that kinda
transcends time.
1935
01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:44,329
Thirty years later,
we actually changed the rule
1936
01:24:44,329 --> 01:24:45,914
that said you can in fact do
1937
01:24:45,914 --> 01:24:47,833
what Michael wanted to do
in 1984.
1938
01:24:47,833 --> 01:24:50,836
You know, it changed the world.
It changed the world.
1939
01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:57,676
For me, what it
represents was the beginning
1940
01:24:57,676 --> 01:24:59,511
of a possibility.
1941
01:24:59,845 --> 01:25:01,680
You know,
a possibility to say,
1942
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:02,973
"You could be an athlete,
1943
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:04,891
you could be a rapper,
you could be an artist,
1944
01:25:04,891 --> 01:25:07,185
you could be whatever you want,
but at the end of the day,
1945
01:25:07,185 --> 01:25:09,187
to be your own man
is the most important piece."
1946
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,273
You know,
we can't determine
1947
01:25:11,273 --> 01:25:12,482
when you're born.
1948
01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:14,318
We can't determine...
1949
01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:17,446
the world you're born into.
1950
01:25:18,322 --> 01:25:21,366
So all that shit came together
at the same time.
1951
01:25:21,366 --> 01:25:23,035
You're not buying
the stitches,
1952
01:25:23,035 --> 01:25:24,870
or the leather,
or the sole,
1953
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:27,164
you're actually buying
what it symbolizes.
1954
01:25:27,164 --> 01:25:28,957
And I think that's the magic,
1955
01:25:28,957 --> 01:25:31,543
and I think that's what's
so incredibly special about it.
1956
01:25:31,543 --> 01:25:34,880
And I don't think we will see
that again in our lifetime.
1957
01:25:37,049 --> 01:25:40,886
For me, it represents who I am
and the way I live my life,
1958
01:25:40,886 --> 01:25:44,097
the kind of things
that I'm into, like, uh...
1959
01:25:44,097 --> 01:25:45,807
It's like the flag on my hat.
1960
01:25:45,807 --> 01:25:47,351
It represented my youth,
1961
01:25:47,351 --> 01:25:49,144
it's who I was,
who I wanted to be, like...
1962
01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:50,645
And I want to be the best.
1963
01:25:50,645 --> 01:25:53,732
Or at least trying to walk
amongst the best in what I do.
1964
01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:57,527
No boundaries, no limits,
1965
01:25:57,527 --> 01:26:01,615
a sense that you can go out
and accomplish things
1966
01:26:01,615 --> 01:26:04,368
beyond what you thought
was possible.
1967
01:26:04,368 --> 01:26:08,080
It's amazing that it can all
be embodied in a shoe.
1968
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,915
Before, black people...
1969
01:26:10,707 --> 01:26:11,750
in this country...
1970
01:26:12,793 --> 01:26:15,587
We were constantly told that
1971
01:26:16,004 --> 01:26:18,423
we were less than,
or we didn't matter.
1972
01:26:18,423 --> 01:26:22,302
And I think there's a direct
correlation between that
1973
01:26:22,302 --> 01:26:23,553
and a little black boy
1974
01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:28,183
wanting a coveted pair
of sneakers.
1975
01:26:29,059 --> 01:26:31,728
Because when he puts them on,
1976
01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:34,064
for a second, he forgets that...
1977
01:26:34,815 --> 01:26:37,150
the world doesn't value
his life.
1978
01:26:37,567 --> 01:26:39,319
For a second, he feels...
1979
01:26:40,862 --> 01:26:41,988
more than.
1980
01:26:42,614 --> 01:26:44,116
He feels significant.
1981
01:26:44,116 --> 01:26:45,325
He feels free.
1982
01:26:47,577 --> 01:26:49,704
People really thought,
"Wow, I can do anything."
1983
01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:52,749
They were wide open to...
1984
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,919
pursue these crazy dreams.
1985
01:26:56,461 --> 01:26:59,673
When you think about this,
sitting with a child who...
1986
01:26:59,673 --> 01:27:01,591
will talk about going
through chemotherapy
1987
01:27:01,591 --> 01:27:03,427
and the only way
he gets through it,
1988
01:27:03,427 --> 01:27:05,303
is either, you know,
reading Michael's books,
1989
01:27:05,303 --> 01:27:07,055
or wearing his jersey,
1990
01:27:07,055 --> 01:27:09,057
to act like he's got
the strength.
1991
01:27:09,057 --> 01:27:12,602
And we got a letter
from the Wish family that
1992
01:27:12,602 --> 01:27:15,188
this little boy had passed away,
1993
01:27:15,188 --> 01:27:17,441
but they buried him
in Michael's jersey
1994
01:27:17,441 --> 01:27:18,400
and his shoes.
1995
01:27:19,651 --> 01:27:22,320
That says how beyond...
This is not just a shoe.
1996
01:27:22,821 --> 01:27:25,073
This is something that
is a symbol for a child,
1997
01:27:25,073 --> 01:27:27,284
who is fighting for his life,
that gave him the courage
1998
01:27:27,534 --> 01:27:28,994
every day to keep fighting.
1999
01:27:30,454 --> 01:27:31,663
That's incredible.
2000
01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:34,458
The inspiration, and the hope,
2001
01:27:34,458 --> 01:27:36,501
and the passion,
and the drive
2002
01:27:36,501 --> 01:27:39,963
that can be attributed
to a shoe.
2003
01:27:41,548 --> 01:27:42,591
A shoe.
2004
01:27:43,341 --> 01:27:44,885
You know, it's fucking crazy.
2005
01:27:44,885 --> 01:27:47,387
To have, like,
that little bit of
2006
01:27:47,387 --> 01:27:48,805
hope on your feet...
2007
01:27:48,805 --> 01:27:50,682
There's just a good vibe
coming off of them,
2008
01:27:50,682 --> 01:27:53,643
and I-- and I hope anybody
that wears them
2009
01:27:53,643 --> 01:27:55,353
are wearing them to
2010
01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:57,814
not fill a hole,
but to just sort of like
2011
01:27:58,106 --> 01:28:00,317
accentuate the things about
them that they, you know...
2012
01:28:00,317 --> 01:28:01,401
That maybe they love.
2013
01:28:02,736 --> 01:28:04,613
I think that kind of stuff
is possible, you know.
2014
01:28:06,656 --> 01:28:07,949
It's hope. It's just hope.
2015
01:28:09,242 --> 01:28:12,996
For me, when I look at this
and what it means,
2016
01:28:12,996 --> 01:28:16,500
it means that people have
the ability to dream.
2017
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:20,795
And if a spirit of that 1
can do that...
2018
01:28:22,297 --> 01:28:28,178
to one kid, one kid that.
believes that they can change
2019
01:28:28,178 --> 01:28:29,471
the universe...
2020
01:28:30,514 --> 01:28:32,724
then I believe
those are the things
2021
01:28:32,724 --> 01:28:34,309
that make life worth living.
2022
01:28:36,603 --> 01:28:38,813
I don't know if I'm answering
your question or whatnot,
2023
01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:40,232
I'm just telling you how I feel,
2024
01:28:40,232 --> 01:28:43,151
and what the shoe means to me,
and how it affects me.
2025
01:28:44,611 --> 01:28:46,738
Some crazy shit to say
about a fucking shoe.
2026
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:48,573
♪ We did the impossible ♪
2027
01:28:48,573 --> 01:28:50,408
♪ Now we're unstoppable ♪
2028
01:28:50,408 --> 01:28:52,786
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2029
01:28:53,203 --> 01:28:55,830
♪ Dig deep
Always fight, always win ♪
2030
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:58,500
♪ Can't stop
Never sleep, cause you know ♪
2031
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,836
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
2032
01:29:01,836 --> 01:29:04,589
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2033
01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:05,840
And that was it.
2034
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,134
I wanted to cry,
but I don't...
2035
01:29:08,552 --> 01:29:10,178
Well, it's tough, yeah.
2036
01:29:10,178 --> 01:29:11,763
♪ We did the impossible ♪
2037
01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:13,139
♪ Now we're unstoppable ♪
2038
01:29:13,139 --> 01:29:14,516
When I was playing Mars,
2039
01:29:14,516 --> 01:29:16,017
I mean, that's the first
I ever acted.
2040
01:29:16,017 --> 01:29:17,519
So a lot of times,
I couldn't remember
2041
01:29:17,519 --> 01:29:19,938
the next lines. Do you know?
Do you know? Do you know?
2042
01:29:19,938 --> 01:29:21,022
Do you know?"
2043
01:29:21,022 --> 01:29:23,024
That's why Mars repeated stuff!
2044
01:29:23,441 --> 01:29:24,985
They say, "Rob,"
you know,
2045
01:29:24,985 --> 01:29:27,279
"I don't wanna ban them.
My son thinks they're great.
2046
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:28,446
Just send me a pair."
2047
01:29:29,948 --> 01:29:32,576
I once threatened Michael
with going home to put them on.
2048
01:29:32,576 --> 01:29:34,244
And he said,
"No, no, no, please, please,"
2049
01:29:34,244 --> 01:29:35,662
I said, "Okay, fine."
2050
01:29:35,662 --> 01:29:38,248
I can't ollie.
But I can stick out my tongue
2051
01:29:38,248 --> 01:29:39,416
and go "uhl"...
2052
01:29:40,292 --> 01:29:41,376
Is that a saying?
2053
01:29:41,668 --> 01:29:43,587
And that's
Michael Jordan's fault.
2054
01:29:43,587 --> 01:29:44,838
Olivia doesn't mind them.
2055
01:29:44,838 --> 01:29:46,298
♪ We did the impossible ♪
2056
01:29:46,298 --> 01:29:48,133
♪ Now we're unstoppable ♪
2057
01:29:52,345 --> 01:29:53,680
David Stern.
2058
01:29:55,849 --> 01:29:57,601
AB mark.
2059
01:29:59,728 --> 01:30:02,564
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2060
01:30:02,564 --> 01:30:05,442
♪ Dig deep
Always fight, always win ♪
2061
01:30:05,442 --> 01:30:07,777
♪ Can't stop
Never sleep, cause you know ♪
2062
01:30:07,777 --> 01:30:11,281
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
2063
01:30:11,281 --> 01:30:14,159
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2064
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,995
♪ Dig deep
Always fight, always win ♪
2065
01:30:16,995 --> 01:30:19,456
♪ Can't stop
Never sleep, cause you know ♪
2066
01:30:19,456 --> 01:30:23,001
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
2067
01:30:27,047 --> 01:30:28,798
♪ We're unstoppable ♪
2068
01:30:32,844 --> 01:30:34,429
♪ We're unstoppable ♪
2069
01:30:34,429 --> 01:30:37,307
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2070
01:30:37,307 --> 01:30:40,018
♪ Dig deep
Always fight, always win ♪
2071
01:30:40,018 --> 01:30:43,146
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
2072
01:30:43,146 --> 01:30:45,982
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2073
01:30:45,982 --> 01:30:48,943
♪ Dig deep
Always fight, always win ♪
2074
01:30:48,943 --> 01:30:51,363
♪ Can't stop
Never sleep, cause you know ♪
2075
01:30:51,363 --> 01:30:54,699
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
2076
01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:57,410
♪ This the night
Every time, never quit ♪
2077
01:31:03,166 --> 01:31:06,127
♪ We did the impossible
Now we're unstoppable ♪
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